1257844;1441066488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7959 @ 0.00068778 = 5.474 BTC [-] 1257845;1441067098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15423 @ 0.00068778 = 10.6076 BTC [-] 1257846;1441067708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00068729 = 13.2647 BTC [-] {2} 1257847;1441068058;mod6;asciilifeform: I took a look at v99 just briefly, so far, looks good. I dropped in my sigs from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html into ~/.seals along with the sigs/*.sig files that it comes with and I was able to genereate the following: http://dpaste.com/198XBTF.txt 1257848;1441068059;assbot;[BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLszWf ) 1257849;1441068061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4VGbt ) 1257850;1441068113;mod6;Will work through some more of this tomorrow after I get the SoBA out. 1257851;1441069172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00068406 = 4.6516 BTC [-] 1257852;1441069240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dulap ~still~ trailing by 35 blx 1257853;1441069261;asciilifeform;mod6: neato. try 'pressing', get a feel for how it works. 1257854;1441069326;mod6;ok i'll give it a whirl. 1257855;1441069408;asciilifeform;http://xkcd.com/1571 << l337 m4rk3t1ng 1257856;1441069409;assbot;xkcd: Car Model Names ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI76RF ) 1257857;1441069476;asciilifeform;who wouldn't want a 'toyota cervixxx' ! 1257858;1441069508;asciilifeform;take the ol' 'nissan doody' and 'volkswagen woodpony' to the scrapyard. 1257859;1441069549;phf;growing up on a dacha i remember putting quicklime (calcium oxide) into sealed containers with water. one time a friend of mine got his vein opened with glass shrapnel, my grandfather drove him to a hospital and that was the extent of drama, no national news, no "dangers of quicklime", no concerned mothers calling for bans 1257860;1441069549;mod6;haha 'toyota cervixxx' 1257861;1441069559;*;asciilifeform once heard allegation that virtually all major product names, esp. in usa, are purchased from one particular firm specializing in names... 1257862;1441069630;asciilifeform;phf: related: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html 1257863;1441069631;assbot;Social osteoporosis (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI7Aae ) 1257864;1441069633;mod6;i've kinda heard this too - you buy a word from them that hits on certain brain based reactions. something like that. 1257865;1441069737;*;punkman made crappy gunpowder with other kids, nobody was maimed 1257866;1441069746;*;asciilifeform also 1257867;1441069806;phf;oh man, i think we would build another version of "metal pipe + match shavings" every other summer 1257868;1441069830;asciilifeform;good for 20years-to-life (tm) in good old usa 1257869;1441069875;asciilifeform;'possession of terrorist weapon' 1257870;1441069940;phf;i thought twice before googling "негашеная известь бомба" just now, pretty sure on a list at this point. thought i suspect hanging out on b-a does that too 1257871;1441069974;asciilifeform;phf: american kids make same jar with vinegar and soda, iirc 1257872;1441070123;mats;such interesting childhoods 1257873;1441070207;punkman;hydrochloric acid and strips of aluminum foil > vinegar 1257874;1441070230;asciilifeform;punkman: point being that boy finds vinegar in mother's kitchen 1257875;1441070254;punkman;asciilifeform: and hydrochloric acid in the bathroom cleaning materials 1257876;1441070275;asciilifeform;punkman: uncommon in modern usa 1257877;1441070287;asciilifeform;punkman: usually it is either ammonia, or enzymatic detergent crud 1257878;1441070319;asciilifeform;heavy on the perfumes and dyes, light on items-which-actually-dissolve-things 1257879;1441070326;punkman;I never mixed the thing myself, but I saw a kid make a pretty big fireball once 1257880;1441070361;phf;oh vinegar is acetic acid 1257881;1441070384;asciilifeform;much of the 'progress' in common household chem in the past few decades focused on making things less... repurposable 1257882;1441070423;asciilifeform;from sneeze meds that are less meth-worthy to floor cleaners lacking acids 1257883;1441070428;phf;seems like it's the same in pharmacology 1257884;1441070449;asciilifeform;phf: aha. dxm, for instance, is just codeine-with-less-bloodbrainbarrier-penetration 1257885;1441070460;asciilifeform;ditto loperamide (antidiarrheal common in usa) 1257886;1441070481;asciilifeform;and prolly six other common pharmacy items i can't recall immediately. 1257887;1441070489;asciilifeform;all the same basic theme. 1257888;1441070504;asciilifeform;'slave has no business doing what is not on the menu' 1257889;1441070514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00068346 = 11.9606 BTC [-] {4} 1257890;1441070588;asciilifeform;this, just as was predicted ~15 years ago, is to be applied to electronics as well as chemistry. 1257891;1441070592;asciilifeform;see thread, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257284 1257892;1441070592;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 17:49:55; ascii_field: trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in 1257893;1441070634;phf;more like bureaucratic cancer. bureaucrat is "responsible" for an area of human endeavor, same way as cancer is responsible for your lungs or liver 1257894;1441070635;asciilifeform;general-purpose programmable computer is far more feared by usg than the most powerful dynamite. 1257895;1441070818;asciilifeform;young people already make a face of disbelief if you tell'em that when you were a boy it was routine to modify the asm routines of your os directly, or bypass them entirely 1257896;1441070835;asciilifeform;or that 'remote update' was not yet a thing 1257897;1441070905;asciilifeform;this trend carries on. 1257898;1441070932;asciilifeform;it was naive of rms & co. to predict 'microshit will ban linux' in '01 or whenever the 'palladium' thing started going 1257899;1441070942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00068496 = 21.0968 BTC [+] 1257900;1441070953;asciilifeform;no one is banning linux. instead there is a 'linux foundation' (see log) which will sign 'legit, non-terrorist' kernels for you 1257901;1441070963;asciilifeform;that you can run on the nintendoized cpu. 1257902;1441070971;asciilifeform;complete with systemd-in-silicon 1257903;1441071035;asciilifeform;unless mircea_popescu pulls a cpu fab out of his shirt pocket, there is nothing preventing this disease from progressing. 1257904;1441071091;phf;it's a common thread here, the whole rise of "open" as true openness disappears. to paraphrase snl skit, "our hardware is maker open - what does that mean? - not open" 1257905;1441071123;phf;odd to read rms from 10-15 years ago and see his predictions come out right.. 1257906;1441071147;asciilifeform;phf: except, in ways no one afaik particularly expected to be possible, ~more~ direly than rms predicted. 1257907;1441071156;phf;yes! 1257908;1441071190;asciilifeform;this is because rms likely grew up on the usual 20th c. dystopian fictions where there is always folks struggling to escape, etc 1257909;1441071216;asciilifeform;on account of how you can't really write an engaging yarn about inhabitants of the real thing, as we have it 1257910;1441071231;phf;right, well, it's the whole 1984 vs brave new world 1257911;1441071282;asciilifeform;in real world, 'telescreen' is not in every room but in every toilet stall, and people not only do not hide from it but pose for it, and complain about not enough resolution on the ccd. 1257912;1441071365;asciilifeform;re: 'nintendoized' cpu: folks who are counting on the chinese to 'carry the torch' of real computer, are fooling themselves 1257913;1441071370;asciilifeform;they are not interested in it any more than usg is. 1257914;1441071422;asciilifeform;they would, in fact, make exact copies of intel's crud (complete with nsa) -- if they could. (ever wonder why they do not?) 1257915;1441071523;punkman;they don't? 1257916;1441071531;asciilifeform;nope. 1257917;1441071535;phf;it's probably heinlein point, true freedom exists only at frontier, but because folk are preoccupied with practical things like "how to survive" rather then "my neighbor is smoking weed and ~gasp~ enjoying it" 1257918;1441071542;asciilifeform;and even their cheap 'arm' cores are direct-licensed now, from britain. 1257919;1441071624;phf;while china is playing catch up, you get a computing equivalent of wild west with areas where the control simply didn't have resources to manifest, as soon as u.s. stops driving chip design, china will start closing up same holes u.s. is in the process of closing up right now 1257920;1441071640;asciilifeform;this is a perpetual 'will tomorrow' 1257921;1441071657;asciilifeform;so far, EVERY SINGLE SI FAB ON THE PLANET and ALL THE DESIGN TOOLING (with the exception of chuck moore's...) runs on winblowz 1257922;1441071664;asciilifeform;with the same 3 american vendors supplying it 1257923;1441071670;asciilifeform;(at a few $mil a pop) 1257924;1441071687;asciilifeform;there is no sign of the slightest threat of this changing. 1257925;1441071730;asciilifeform;and - even aside from the winblowz, this actually matters. none of it will do general-purpose asynchronous logic, for instance. 1257926;1441071779;asciilifeform;and this is just one particular kind of factory, note. 1257927;1441071800;asciilifeform;one time, out of idle curiosity, i looked into what it would have taken .ir to run natanz u refinery on not-winblowz 1257928;1441071810;asciilifeform;they would have had to build own electronics industry then. 1257929;1441071825;phf;it's the main factory though, since everything else can be done pashtun style 1257930;1441071838;asciilifeform;this is also an illusion 1257931;1441071866;asciilifeform;try making so much as something like a reasonable diesel engine 'pashtun-style' 1257932;1441071933;asciilifeform;there is, after all, a reason why civilized men drive ferrari while the pashtun lives and dies in own shit and fucks goats 1257933;1441071952;asciilifeform;and is only alive because civilized man has not computed a +roi for neutron-bombing him 1257934;1441072138;phf;that's not a problem that i'm facing though, since i don't know of diddle diesel engines (i'm sure they are but..) 1257935;1441072232;asciilifeform;phf: diddling is not the only or even the most traditional exertion of control by the crown 1257936;1441072246;asciilifeform;more commonly it is simply to deny modern tech to the vanquished 1257937;1441072256;asciilifeform;as american pc was denied to su 1257938;1441072264;asciilifeform;or cnc milling machine 1257939;1441072273;asciilifeform;or rifle, to the zulu 1257940;1441072278;asciilifeform;etc. 1257941;1441072344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00068321 = 7.7203 BTC [-] 1257942;1441072414;phf;i don't know how much of this concern is driving cause vs. purposes, i.e. real limitations experiences by you vs. building civilization from first principles anathema millenials style. 1257943;1441072424;phf;*is driven by 1257944;1441072496;phf;i know that my computing rug is slowly being swept from under me 1257945;1441072681;asciilifeform;the rug was somewhat imaginary to begin with. 1257946;1441072927;phf;that's obvious with hindsight, but imaginary in the same sense that лихие 90ые were imaginary, or really any other "interesting times" 1257947;1441072942;asciilifeform;aha. 1257948;1441072977;asciilifeform;but more practically, user hasn't had true grasp of his hardware for a very long time. at least since mid-80s. 1257949;1441072983;asciilifeform;so he was 'spread but not entered yet' 1257950;1441073089;asciilifeform;or think of even something so humble as msdos. despite the fact that you could fill several bookcases with material like 'norton's guide', 'undocumented dos', etc. the thing was never fully reverse-engineered by anyone 1257951;1441073098;asciilifeform;to the point that 'freedos' still won't run certain gamez 1257952;1441073112;asciilifeform;and this despite the fact that msdos 6.2 source leaked in late '90s 1257953;1441073120;asciilifeform;(freedos folks make a show of refusing to look at it) 1257954;1441073259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00068321 = 15.0989 BTC [-] 1257955;1441073381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00068321 = 21.3162 BTC [-] 1257956;1441073387;phf;yes nobody will be able to build freewindows10 1257957;1441074072;phf;at some point you had SAIL and Augment basically design by men for men, lisp machines, xerox park as products of that. later you get two bit hacks selling imperfect copies of the glimpsed technology, thats your 80s and 90s. at this point there's already "no grasp", but the control is limited, basically a byproduct of commercialism. now you get the next stage, which is when the bureaucrats are getting involved 1257958;1441074400;BingoBoingo;cmake is a piece of shit 1257959;1441074477;gernika;my daughter is currently playing with logo on freedos. freedos is perfect for kids. 1257960;1441074515;gernika;boots up to C:\. Then they just have to type in the name of the game they want to play and hit enter. 1257961;1441074723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14813 @ 0.0006831 = 10.1188 BTC [-] {3} 1257962;1441074855;asciilifeform;gernika: no argument. my point concerned the traditional argument 'oh but anything can be reverse-engineered perfectly' 1257963;1441074872;asciilifeform;yes, it can. but it is rare for anyone to give the megatonne of shit that must be given, for it to actually happen; 1257964;1441074882;asciilifeform;and when it happens, it is normally for commercial reasons and in secret 1257965;1441074892;asciilifeform;rather then 'bower to the beoble' 1257966;1441074933;gernika;asciilifeform aha. so that's why comander keen doesn't even work. 1257967;1441074937;asciilifeform;aha. 1257968;1441074960;*;asciilifeform fond of commander keen. 1257969;1441074992;asciilifeform;recall his brief cameo appearance in wolfenstein ? 1257970;1441075041;gernika;I do not. 1257971;1441075045;asciilifeform;or hm, was it in doom ii 1257972;1441075051;asciilifeform;^ apparently 1257973;1441075062;asciilifeform;http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Commander_Keen 1257974;1441075063;assbot;Commander Keen - The Doom Wiki at DoomWiki.org - Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Strife, and more ... ( http://bit.ly/1KATjwL ) 1257975;1441075065;*;phf spent more time with duke nukem 1257976;1441075072;gernika;Tried derive.exe on freedos too - doesn't work either. 1257977;1441075073;asciilifeform;^ also good timez. 1257978;1441075082;asciilifeform;gernika: now ~that~ is odd 1257979;1441075087;asciilifeform;it runs fucking everywhere 1257980;1441075098;gernika;it starts - but the screen is filled with garbage 1257981;1441075101;gernika;executes commands, etc 1257982;1441075118;asciilifeform;sometimes i wonder if 'freedos' is actually run by wreckers 1257983;1441075135;asciilifeform;a 'bitcoin phoundation' of a kind 1257984;1441075378;asciilifeform;there are some very serious folks who are working on having it be forgotten that a 486 was an entirely usable thing, and in many ways a superior cultural artifact, all things considered, than the computer you and i are sitting in front of today 1257985;1441075396;phf;what isn't. at some point freedos was legit in a poc||gtfo kind of way, i.e. "we did it for the lulz", but now it's positioned as the only legitimate way to run dos programs. that you of course purchased from GoG. 1257986;1441075397;asciilifeform;esp. considering the games. 1257987;1441075423;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1257988;1441075429;asciilifeform;always there is a one of these, lurking inside 1257989;1441075441;asciilifeform;whenever you scratch the surface of damn near anything. 1257990;1441075602;phf;how else would you ensure that linus is not mean to anybody? 1257991;1441075821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.0006838 = 13.1632 BTC [+] 1257992;1441075874;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257800 << it's updated, what. most recent this month. 1257993;1441075874;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 23:26:04; ascii_field: would be even cooler if it updated 1257994;1441075894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: after the thread! 1257995;1441076034;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257852 << you're telling me like i'm the one shitting in the broadband lol 1257996;1441076034;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 01:00:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap ~still~ trailing by 35 blx 1257997;1441076041;asciilifeform;l0l 1257998;1441076177;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257861 << and it's run by george costanza, "name your daughter soda" 1257999;1441076177;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 01:05:59; *: asciilifeform once heard allegation that virtually all major product names, esp. in usa, are purchased from one particular firm specializing in names... 1258000;1441076260;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257882 << it is pretty much what it was "same cleaning, more or less, but not as harsh" 1258001;1441076260;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 01:20:23; asciilifeform: from sneeze meds that are less meth-worthy to floor cleaners lacking acids 1258002;1441076288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: addison whitney 1258003;1441076295;asciilifeform;(re: names firm) 1258004;1441076300;mircea_popescu;sorta like Rembrandt School of Art : since 1950, making paintings almost as good as rembrandts, with less work per sq in 1258005;1441076342;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, wanna-bes. 1258006;1441076549;mircea_popescu;in local news, argentina GDP fell 4.9% today because one of the lengthy queues accidentally merged with its own ending, resulting in 84`755 people spending an average of 8 hours following a very intricate 12 mile pattern through town for no apparent purpose. 1258007;1441076681;phf;get in queue, figure out what's available later, su style 1258008;1441076759;asciilifeform;;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive. 1258009;1441076763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXR6u ) 1258010;1441076763;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1258011;1441076765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257900 << specifically, this log http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1254484 1258012;1441076765;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 01:29:13; asciilifeform: no one is banning linux. instead there is a 'linux foundation' (see log) which will sign 'legit, non-terrorist' kernels for you 1258013;1441076765;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 16:50:54; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/082XAM5.txt 1258014;1441076772;asciilifeform;$ sha512sum derive_and_more.img.gz 1258015;1441076773;asciilifeform;49e7e9968bdbfee0a96fddbd4f9deb7b8df9911381805710797f2d4e56637c1f4a0efacb4675e7e28020c877fc02b6725a3263ca5f8b5b2ed51cd6aa7908a7b3 derive_and_more.img.gz 1258016;1441076789;mircea_popescu;qbasic lol. 1258017;1441076794;mircea_popescu;so much better than gwbasic 1258018;1441076797;mircea_popescu;why ? the eval! 1258019;1441076799;asciilifeform;aha. 1258020;1441076803;mircea_popescu;dedicated eval window 1258021;1441076811;asciilifeform;fuck yeah. 1258022;1441076832;asciilifeform;;;later tell gernika it will boot in 'qemu' too. 1258023;1441076833;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1258024;1441076892;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257909 << quite. 1258025;1441076892;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 01:33:36; asciilifeform: on account of how you can't really write an engaging yarn about inhabitants of the real thing, as we have it 1258026;1441076904;mircea_popescu;reality beats fiction mostly because fiction has to be things reality does not. 1258027;1441076914;mircea_popescu;oh, you're not so very engaged by this reality ? FUCK YOU BITCH LMAO 1258028;1441076922;asciilifeform;such as having conscious peopl ein it, aha 1258029;1441076929;BingoBoingo;;;later tell fluffypony Is this really the way to seed anything? https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/crypto/oaes_lib.c#L503 1258030;1441076930;assbot;bitmonero/oaes_lib.c at master · monero-project/bitmonero · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAYcWR ) 1258031;1441076930;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1258032;1441076935;gernika;asciilifeform - I haven't tried it. Running it on an old thinkpad. Got msdos 6.2 working in parallels - but parallels is literally a virus. 1258033;1441076967;asciilifeform;gernika: it's a straight floppy image with the real thing in it, created strictly with actual msdos running on emulated hardware 1258034;1441076969;gernika;ok not a virus but malware 1258035;1441076974;asciilifeform;boots cleanly on actual dos box, tested. 1258036;1441076986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one of the funniest protests (sexually repressed women generally) bring to my sexual themed writings is "oh, it would never happen like that". 1258037;1441077001;mircea_popescu;"why not ?" "because uhm." 1258038;1441077021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naturally. in the mental universe various folks inhabit, nothing mircea_popescuine could even begin to contemplate happening. 1258039;1441077040;mircea_popescu;in fairness most literature is not after life. 1258040;1441077061;mircea_popescu;but it also has very little regard for you know, "the reader has come to expect" 1258041;1441077064;gernika;asciilifeform oh derive.exe? derive.exe works in my parallels 6.2 image. 1258042;1441077103;asciilifeform;at any rate, the fdd image is here for n00bz as well 1258043;1441077111;asciilifeform;i encourage folks here to mirror it, somewhere. 1258044;1441077136;asciilifeform;never know when a WORKING computeralgebratron will come in handy 1258045;1441077164;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257921 << wait, no meta-fabs ? 1258046;1441077164;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 01:40:57; asciilifeform: so far, EVERY SINGLE SI FAB ON THE PLANET and ALL THE DESIGN TOOLING (with the exception of chuck moore's...) runs on winblowz 1258047;1441077176;asciilifeform;btw i've always thought it would be interesting to get the lisp src of derive (yes) out of the exe 1258048;1441077190;asciilifeform;it was written in 'mulisp', which is compiled in such a way as to make this theoretically feasible. 1258049;1441077221;asciilifeform;reversing 'derive' is this thing that i come back to for a week or two every other year or so. 1258050;1441077231;gernika;Wonder if the Soft Warehouse guys still live, and if they have it. 1258051;1441077244;asciilifeform;gernika: they sold the rights to texas instruments 1258052;1441077244;mircea_popescu;^ 1258053;1441077246;mircea_popescu;word! 1258054;1441077249;asciilifeform;so in that sense, no 1258055;1441077258;asciilifeform;(doubt they'd release it) 1258056;1441077259;mircea_popescu;aww 1258057;1441077276;asciilifeform;'texas' made prolly close to a billion, with it 1258058;1441077282;phf;like some game enthusiasts trying to get source from electronic arts, good luck 1258059;1441077284;asciilifeform;(they turned it into a line of calculators that was wildly popular) 1258060;1441077290;gernika;I sadly DID NOT KNOW about this program in junior high and highschool. 1258061;1441077303;asciilifeform;l0l! 1258062;1441077313;asciilifeform;gernika: what would you have done, snuck dos box into exam ? 1258063;1441077330;gernika;I would have checked then even numbered answers 1258064;1441077333;gernika;on my homework 1258065;1441077542;mircea_popescu;so i've been sort-of idly thinking maybe monero is actually something should be taken seriously. then BingoBoingo dug up https://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management 1258066;1441077543;assbot;Monero | Academic and Technical » A formal approach towards better hard fork management ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAZNvy ) 1258067;1441077551;mircea_popescu;check this out : 1258068;1441077560;mircea_popescu;"Basic bottom line: every 6 months there's a hard fork. You get 1 hard fork's grace before you have to update or be left behind. 1258069;1441077560;mircea_popescu;Details 1258070;1441077560;mircea_popescu;Every 6 months, either on March 15 + September 15 or on April 15 + October 15, the Monero network will have a hard fork. 30 days before the fork we will have a code freeze + tag + release, and if there are no major changes we'll have an increase in the protocol version (ie. that's at a minimum). A similar fork system to Bitcoin will apply, whereby a rollover to the new code after the trigger block will only occur if a 1258071;1441077561;mircea_popescu;sufficient number of miners are running the new code. 1258072;1441077563;mircea_popescu;Anything that is more of a soft fork will kick in immediately (as long as it doesn't drop pre-fork clients off the network). Anything on the p2p layer (ie. hard forkable) will be kept in the wings until the next fork date (as roughly estimated from block height) and then is enabled. 1258073;1441077567;mircea_popescu;The upshot of this is that you can run a client that is a year old, but pretty much after that 1 year anniversary you'll be dropped off the network (even if there have been no "real" changes in that year)." 1258074;1441077570;mircea_popescu;and i'm like..... mmmkay nevermind. 1258075;1441077621;asciilifeform;it is 'interesting' in the same sense as denizen of insane asylum who thinks he is a glass bottle is more interesting than the fella who thinks he is ordinary napoleon ? 1258076;1441077705;asciilifeform;can mircea_popescu or anyone else remind me, what was supposed to be the upside of being a glass bott^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husing monero ? 1258077;1441077709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more in the sense that the blondy teen that is always clenching her jaws shut is vaguely interesting in a way her verbose airheaded cogeners are not 1258078;1441077777;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257960 << definitely worked for me. 1258079;1441077777;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 02:28:35; gernika: boots up to C:\. Then they just have to type in the name of the game they want to play and hit enter. 1258080;1441077790;asciilifeform;was it the ring signature thing ? 1258081;1441077799;mircea_popescu;that behaviour is certainly the l;argest contributor of wy i am even vaguely interested in computers at all 1258082;1441077814;mircea_popescu;had i met linux as a boy i'd be pissing with froth on the entire stupid stack. 1258083;1441077822;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly. 1258084;1441077865;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have written on many occasions, that this (the froth) is why the very youngest of the folks worth anything in computerdom are circa early 1980s 1258085;1441077866;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257968 << ever tried captain comic ? 1258086;1441077866;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 02:36:00; *: asciilifeform fond of commander keen. 1258087;1441077874;asciilifeform;aha! 1258088;1441078175;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257994 << no, it was not after the thread. 1258089;1441078175;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 02:51:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after the thread! 1258090;1441078185;mircea_popescu;wehn i linked to it, i linked to an item put there a week or so ago. 1258091;1441078261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8502 @ 0.0006859 = 5.8315 BTC [+] 1258092;1441078320;mod6;this press command is pretty neat 1258093;1441078668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=417 << incidentally, champagne doesn't live too well in bottle. 1258094;1441078668;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIntcu ) 1258095;1441078673;mircea_popescu;a year is one thing, but five's too many. 1258096;1441078749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00068401 = 17.8527 BTC [-] {3} 1258097;1441079248;mircea_popescu;"mircea_popescu: giving inept infantrymen good horses doesn't create an elite cavalry regiment, it just creates a lot of injured horses. giving stupid people smart things doesn't make them smart. it'll just make a lot of broken smart things." 1258098;1441079255;mircea_popescu;im in fucking love with the fucking bash omg/ 1258099;1441079326;phf;the only thing enemy will drink is amontillado 1258100;1441079423;asciilifeform;'for the love of god, montrezor!!!' 1258101;1441079441;phf;for the love of god 1258102;1441079451;asciilifeform;!s montrezor 1258103;1441079452;assbot;10 results for 'montrezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=montrezor 1258104;1441079471;phf;bah, naturally 1258105;1441079691;asciilifeform;http://ww3.ac-poitiers.fr/math/prof/logic/der1/der12009.htm << DERIVE lives in fr !! 1258106;1441079692;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIpoO9 ) 1258107;1441079835;mircea_popescu;so speaking of http://trilema.com/2013/recapitulatio/ how long till coinbase is filing for creditor protection ? 1258108;1441079836;assbot;Recapitulatio on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ifv4ta ) 1258109;1441079869;asciilifeform;waiwat 1258110;1441079872;asciilifeform;why would they? 1258111;1441079885;mircea_popescu;for the same reason. 1258112;1441079889;asciilifeform;i mean, they are more or less the only mass vendor of coinz in usa 1258113;1441079913;asciilifeform;i just gave them more than kilo personally not long ago 1258114;1441079950;asciilifeform;terrible place to ~sell~, but perfectly workable to buy... 1258115;1441079959;asciilifeform;(while supplies last...) 1258116;1441079976;mircea_popescu;how much did they make on that deal ? 1258117;1441079989;asciilifeform;perhaps 10 usd 1258118;1441080004;asciilifeform;and change. 1258119;1441080012;mircea_popescu;how many alfs are there ? how many do they need, to cover their immense if fictitious debt base ? 1258120;1441080036;mircea_popescu;your 10 bucks buys them less than a second of life. 1258121;1441080061;asciilifeform;30! two of my neighbours in uranium mine also bought! aha 1258122;1441080092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still can't figure out why they are (?) in debt. am i thick or what 1258123;1441080102;asciilifeform;why does it actually cost anything to run 'coinbase' 1258124;1441080115;mircea_popescu;you kidding me they just took even more millions at whatever dilution 1258125;1441080124;asciilifeform;it's a straight 'buy cheap, sell dear, get occasional mountain of looted coinz from usg' deal, no ? 1258126;1441080125;mircea_popescu;why. because it's run by the catamite club of us. 1258127;1441080155;asciilifeform;what is the reason to think that they will ever have to pay it back ? 1258128;1441080176;mircea_popescu;"Alydian Inc., a unit of CoinLab Inc., on Friday filed for Chapter 11 protection in U.S. bankruptcy court in Seattle. The 10-page court filing didn't disclose why Alydian filed for bankruptcy or how it hopes to repay its debts." 1258129;1441080179;mircea_popescu;why did those ? 1258130;1441080192;asciilifeform;because not lubricated enough of a catamite ? 1258131;1441080213;asciilifeform;did not go to yaletonward with the right folks ? 1258132;1441080214;mircea_popescu;there's a finite count of failing to goal that these things can survive. 1258133;1441080214;asciilifeform;idk 1258134;1441080237;phf;(asciilifeform: by the way if you haven't played http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/darkeye/darkeye.htm. it's not much of a quest, but it has a consistently fantastic mood. Burroughs does voice acting for one of the characters) 1258135;1441080238;assbot;Hardcore Gaming 101: The Dark Eye ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIqv0o ) 1258136;1441080254;asciilifeform;'coinbase' will be kept alive via whatever means, while it does its job (rat our folks who cash out to usd; keep price fire-extinguished a la gold) 1258137;1441080270;asciilifeform;phf: neato 1258138;1441080308;mod6;asciilifeform: qq, I was under the impression that when using press, if I picked something like 'maxint_corrected', it would patch all the way up through that one. but it didn't seem to apply the -verifyall patch? or do I misunderstand how its supposed to work? http://dpaste.com/1J2BS40.txt thoughts? 1258139;1441080309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIqDwE ) 1258140;1441080361;mod6;OH 1258141;1441080375;mod6;i see, when i check flow, i see that 'verifyall' comes /after/ maxint 1258142;1441080383;asciilifeform;^^ aha 1258143;1441080385;mod6;which isn't the case chronoligicaly 1258144;1441080393;mod6;but in this case, it is. i get it. sorry. 1258145;1441080394;asciilifeform;but there are no timestamps, remember ! 1258146;1441080400;mod6;yup yup 1258147;1441080451;mod6;i was mechanically cross checking the output file checksums against the v054-TEST2 bundle and noticed that i didn't come out with -verifyall in there. was really wondering for a minute lol. 1258148;1441080503;mod6;*chronologically too 1258149;1441080509;asciilifeform;mod6: does it make sense to you how 'flow' works ? 1258150;1441080519;asciilifeform;this is perhaps the only difficult part of the thing 1258151;1441080617;mod6;yeah, i don't grasp that part fully yet. but it does make sense from genesis up through patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch 1258152;1441080633;mod6;i suspect that I'll need to look at the touched files and the hashes to make sense of this. 1258153;1441080678;asciilifeform;roughly, the way it works - must work - is that no patch is applied for which the dependencies have not already been applies. 1258154;1441080681;asciilifeform;*applied 1258155;1441080693;asciilifeform;this is what 'topological sort' means 1258156;1441080701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00068299 = 17.0748 BTC [-] {4} 1258157;1441080775;mod6;ok, i think i get it. neither patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch or patches/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch have any dependants (d's) 1258158;1441080777;asciilifeform;incidentally, your unixlike box almost certainly has 'tsort' utility 1258159;1441080780;asciilifeform;which does just this. 1258160;1441080782;mod6;but the rest do, so they come last. 1258161;1441080819;mod6;well, the 2 i just mentioned come last. is there any reason on the sort order of the last 2? or i just need to grok toposort more? 1258162;1441080822;asciilifeform;descendants ! 1258163;1441080828;asciilifeform;OPPOSITE! 1258164;1441080855;asciilifeform;time for a brief likbez, perhaps. antecedent - earlier patch that must have happened to satisfy a given patch 1258165;1441080858;mod6;<+asciilifeform> descendants ! << mean this, my apologies. 1258166;1441080866;asciilifeform;descendant - later patch, which requires this patch. 1258167;1441080908;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/2bee425c083912f62e0841981d446c0a/tumblr_ntcvokvrnL1tcjd1io1_400.gif 1258168;1441080912;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ifwFyZ ) 1258169;1441080912;mod6;heheh, my fingers didn't want to type what my brain was trying to say. it's a little baked from the sun today at the fair. 1258170;1441080925;mircea_popescu;perhaps the anatomically nudest orgasm depiction 1258171;1441080943;asciilifeform;waitasec that's a human ?! 1258172;1441080952;mircea_popescu;yes. 1258173;1441080953;mod6;oo a gif 1258174;1441080964;mircea_popescu;purely mechanical functioning human. 1258175;1441080972;asciilifeform;mod6: btw if my terminology is confusing, please do not hesitate to suggest alternate 1258176;1441080989;asciilifeform;in place of, e.g., descendant, antecedent, etc 1258177;1441081000;mod6;no, not at all. it is accurate in my opinion 1258178;1441081027;asciilifeform;other than various fixes / cleanups, the 1 thing i still wanna add to 'v' is file histories 1258179;1441081032;asciilifeform;e.g., 1258180;1441081052;asciilifeform;./v.py patches h foo/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 1258181;1441081059;mod6;i know nothing of python... although from reading your code, i'm starting to grasp it. 1258182;1441081061;asciilifeform;and dumps changed, in topo-order, with signators 1258183;1441081064;asciilifeform;*changes 1258184;1441081240;asciilifeform;btw mod6 does the 'o' command make sense? 1258185;1441081250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2965 @ 0.00068137 = 2.0203 BTC [-] 1258186;1441081252;asciilifeform;(as in, can you guess, without explanation, why i included it) 1258187;1441081269;mod6;the origin cmd is pretty neat too 1258188;1441081287;asciilifeform;it is mainly because my disk is littered with 1,001 copies of therealbitcoin tree 1258189;1441081292;asciilifeform;from various stages of vivisection 1258190;1441081299;asciilifeform;some corresponding to a released patch set, others not 1258191;1441081315;asciilifeform;and it is helpful to litmus-test these and place where (if anywhere) they belong 1258192;1441081358;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, 1258193;1441081369;asciilifeform;the one other thing i neglected to explain anywhere is how to make the wot 1258194;1441081395;asciilifeform;place pubkeys in the dir (defaults to home dir, subdir .wot) and, importantly, 1258195;1441081417;asciilifeform;nicknames end up being the respective filename-sans-extension. 1258196;1441081423;asciilifeform;as shown in the demo tarball. 1258197;1441081431;asciilifeform;(there is literally no other place 'v' could possibly learn them..) 1258198;1441081465;mod6;sure. i was able to figure that out straight off np. helped by having a few bundled up in v99/wot/ 1258199;1441081467;asciilifeform;i think this is literally all. 1258200;1441081500;mod6;but yeah, i just `mkdir -p ~/.seals ~/.wot` and dropped the sigs into ~/.seals and the pub keys in ~/.wot and off it went. 1258201;1441081553;asciilifeform;now all we need is to persuade jurov to set up something like 'rsync' on his box 1258202;1441081555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17549 @ 0.00068108 = 11.9523 BTC [-] {3} 1258203;1441081559;mod6;i saw punkman say something about dropping in a python-gnupg side-by-side with V -- i've gotta try that yet. might be cool for an airgap box or something. 1258204;1441081570;asciilifeform;mod6: wai wat 1258205;1441081574;asciilifeform;mod6: 'v' doesn't do crypto 1258206;1441081581;asciilifeform;doesn't need an airgap 1258207;1441081584;BingoBoingo;comment spam lol, "own datacenter" uses aws http://dpaste.com/0F4ATGC 1258208;1441081585;assbot;dpaste: 0F4ATGC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JItkyj ) 1258209;1441081585;mod6;no no. 1258210;1441081587;asciilifeform;(you can't sign with it) 1258211;1441081606;mod6;i know. 1258212;1441081624;mod6;i guess i don't mean to confuse.. was just thinking about it in the capacity where a stripped down box is being used. 1258213;1441081629;asciilifeform;oh and if it isn't clear, python-gnupg just shell-callouts to ordinary gpg. 1258214;1441081647;mod6;oh it's just a wrapper? 1258215;1441081651;asciilifeform;aha 1258216;1441081659;asciilifeform;no gpg-compatible anything of any other kind exists anywhere. 1258217;1441081666;asciilifeform;(see thread) 1258218;1441081713;mod6;anyway, thanks for putting all this together! 1258219;1441081723;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250164 << thread 1258220;1441081723;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:03; asciilifeform: thing to realize is that gpg was written to be maximally un-librarifiable. like gcc. 1258221;1441081725;mod6;and for taking the time to explain some of it to me. 1258222;1441081727;asciilifeform;mod6: yw 1258223;1441081757;asciilifeform;my hope is that it means hanbot can go back to writing fiction 1258224;1441081775;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250164 << thread << thx. ya, i recall this. long road ahead haha. 1258225;1441081775;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:03; asciilifeform: thing to realize is that gpg was written to be maximally un-librarifiable. like gcc. 1258226;1441081776;asciilifeform;rather than roasting in the hell of figuring my patch topology out with a pencil 1258227;1441081828;asciilifeform;'v' is a double-edged sword, however, i must say, in that it makes it possible to build therealbitcoin without reading patches or giving a fuck 1258228;1441081848;asciilifeform;which was really not the case before, despite well-intentioned efforts of the people here at making automatic build scripts, etc 1258229;1441081878;phf;i spent some time going through exercise of getting rid of main in gnupg 1.*, compiling it into a dynamic library, loading into a lisp and calling c functions through ffi. it's doable, but yeah environment very hostile to librarification: often times reporting is done only as a printf, with no status codes, so impossible to do simple (= (ffi-call...) 0) without unpacking the c level function 1258230;1441081880;mod6;fair assesment there. but, i think it's great, and clean, and "works". responsibility is on the signer to read what they sign. same in life. 1258231;1441081912;asciilifeform;phf: ffi with c crud is a nightmare always and everywhere 1258232;1441081927;asciilifeform;none of it has any notion of intelligent error handling, or restarts, or, or... 1258233;1441082010;*;asciilifeform bbl 1258234;1441082013;phf;sure, but i did some large scale projects using ffi (including things like modifying arrays on heap from inside c libraries), so i don't think it's necessarily dead end. just that gnupg doesn't make it easy at all and requires basically full environment scaffolding before you can do anything useful 1258235;1441082016;mod6;<+asciilifeform> rather than roasting in the hell of figuring my patch topology out with a pencil << imagine how much easier it is now for a person to literally pick a place in the flow and patch directly to it. instead of wading through mutliated corpses trying to find the least smelly ones. 1258236;1441082101;phf;which wouldn't be a problem in a traditional c code, but in case of gnupg half of the code seems to have hidden, side channel concerns, that i just don't have yet enough experience in practical crypto to grok 1258237;1441082165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00068045 = 15.7184 BTC [-] {3} 1258238;1441082473;phf;for example this code http://paste.lisp.org/display/154625 validates signatures (using ccl's ffi generator and slightly patched gnupg 1.4.19), but on failure verify_signature either prints to stdout, with no notable return code or sometimes exit(...)'s the whole process 1258239;1441082473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIvo9D ) 1258240;1441082653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51950 @ 0.00067731 = 35.1863 BTC [-] {5} 1258241;1441082734;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000162.html 1258242;1441082736;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIvXjD ) 1258243;1441082897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105413 @ 0.00067078 = 70.7089 BTC [-] {8} 1258244;1441082958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16122 @ 0.00066132 = 10.6618 BTC [-] 1258245;1441083081;BingoBoingo;https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/010798.html 1258246;1441083082;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes by closing port 8333 via a hidden firewall in the cable box ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIwQce ) 1258247;1441083211;BingoBoingo;spam started 1258248;1441083213;BingoBoingo;https://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1111111111111111111114oLvT2 1258249;1441083214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JItgTJ ) 1258250;1441083629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.0006852 = 10.7919 BTC [+] {3} 1258251;1441083873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9567 @ 0.00066618 = 6.3733 BTC [-] 1258252;1441083934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20083 @ 0.00066627 = 13.3807 BTC [+] {2} 1258253;1441084300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00067449 = 8.9033 BTC [+] 1258254;1441085032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22364 @ 0.00067449 = 15.0843 BTC [+] 1258255;1441085059;BingoBoingo;!up laurita 1258256;1441085063;BingoBoingo;!up donpillou 1258257;1441085398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30965 @ 0.00068325 = 21.1568 BTC [+] {5} 1258258;1441085520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13654 @ 0.00066439 = 9.0716 BTC [-] {4} 1258259;1441086226;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1258260;1441086230;gribble;Current Blocks: 372468 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 491 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 12 hours, 46 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1258261;1441087751;mircea_popescu; 'v' is a double-edged sword, however, i must say, in that it makes it possible to build therealbitcoin without reading patches or giving a fuck << blind trust is only a problem to the blind trustor. 1258262;1441087883;mircea_popescu;!up laurita 1258263;1441087985;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "blocking ports" bs has been going on for nigh on 20 years now. 1258264;1441088012;BingoBoingo;Sure 1258265;1441088028;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the "bitcoin uses port 8333" thing is retarded. 1258266;1441088036;mircea_popescu;bitcoin should use any arbitrary port, including 80 1258267;1441088056;mircea_popescu;this notion where we respect ~anything~ has got to go. 1258268;1441088067;mircea_popescu;BODB. 1258269;1441088069;mircea_popescu; bitcoin over dead bodies. 1258270;1441088675;BingoBoingo;prolly skip port 25 though, MSExChange servers pissing spam everywhere prolly ruined that one 1258271;1441090214;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu Also it looks like Kim kinda went Monero... https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/31/3a08dc9a038e0c30bb568b48d0f758cd.jpg 1258272;1441090216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZlSnW ) 1258273;1441090216;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1258274;1441090461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3838 @ 0.00056039 = 2.1508 BTC [-] 1258275;1441091127;mircea_popescu;dude she's a tank 1258276;1441091241;BingoBoingo;Inflation is a bitch 1258277;1441091286;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: you'd have to complain to the author of the OpenAES library :) 1258278;1441091315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00056671 = 12.2976 BTC [+] {2} 1258279;1441091318;BingoBoingo;So much #ifdef, seeding with time and process id 1258280;1441091334;fluffypony;that's an oaes thing 1258281;1441091348;fluffypony;I just fixed it to use gettimeofday instead of ftime on BSD 1258282;1441091503;*;mircea_popescu wouldn't feel safe fucking kim w/o a coupla wrestler wingmen ready to tag. 1258283;1441091569;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Time machine could also work 1258284;1441091645;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Seriously though all the ifdefs scattered everywhere 1258285;1441091733;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: well it's either that or we have to refactor every exception into functions_windows.cpp / functions_bsd.cpp / functions_linux.cpp etc., which would make the code splintered and extremely hard to work with 1258286;1441092162;BingoBoingo;The way everything is organized now is also very hard to work with. cmake scattered all over every directory 1258287;1441092313;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: that's a CMake best practices thing, the guy that did that (Ben Boeckel) is one of the CMake developers 1258288;1441092347;BingoBoingo;But is cmake itself a good thing? 1258289;1441092359;fluffypony;yes very much 1258290;1441092362;fluffypony;autoconf is horrible 1258291;1441092374;BingoBoingo;what about just... make 1258292;1441092387;fluffypony;too many disparate environments for that 1258293;1441092462;BingoBoingo;Even qt.pro as implemented in bitcoin, for people who still use it that way, seems more organized 1258294;1441092547;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257612 <<< almost clicked off while waiting but figured alf would not link such a thing without providing the goods.. did not disappoint 1258295;1441092547;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 20:55:11; ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/ibUaHil.gifv << sapping practice. 1258296;1441092840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00055048 = 8.7526 BTC [-] 1258297;1441093607;mircea_popescu;o.O 1258298;1441093816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00063841 = 63.841 BTC [+] {9} 1258299;1441094615;BingoBoingo;In the world of license mess http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/the-peculiar-libretunnel-situation 1258300;1441094622;assbot;the peculiar libretunnel situation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5Anqr ) 1258301;1441095481;punkman;BingoBoingo: I dunno why anyone humors the license derps 1258302;1441095508;BingoBoingo;Neither do I, but they are so easy to troll 1258303;1441095523;shinohai;;;later tell trinque despite me being the most "Special Ed" of anyone here, persistence paid off: http://i.imgur.com/3xAoZTN.png?1 1258304;1441095524;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUuCfK ) 1258305;1441095524;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1258306;1441095579;btcdrak;No surprises here then, common VCs backing BIP101 http://qntra.net/2015/08/bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin/ 1258307;1441095580;assbot;BIP-101 Syndicate Shares Fiat Ties, Opposition to Actual Bitcoin | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUuFbw ) 1258308;1441095653;BingoBoingo;None at all. 1258309;1441095762;shinohai;Because as we say in the South, "Backdoor guests are best". 1258310;1441095768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00063391 = 11.4104 BTC [-] 1258311;1441095771;shinohai;not really 1258312;1441095841;mircea_popescu;punkman well some people still persist in this vc fairytale/pipedream 1258313;1441095867;mircea_popescu;they'll sell their worthless startup for billions and so forth, if only they respect licenses and never say bad things about fat people or something 1258314;1441095882;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1258315;1441095883;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3VTC7N2.txt ) 1258316;1441095977;shinohai;Nice article BingoBoingo All you need to do now is drop it off in r/darknetmarkets and a few .onion forums, there goes your BIP101 support 1258317;1441096019;cazalla;deedbot- http://qntra.net/0815.txt 1258318;1441096040;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ridiculous pretense that openssl is still even a thing at all. 1258319;1441096047;mircea_popescu;what next, cisco still sells routers ? 1258320;1441096050;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1258321;1441096050;deedbot-;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2015 Statement - http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntra-s-qntr-august-2015-statement/ 1258322;1441096051;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Why would I ever participate in discussions there. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ 1258323;1441096059;assbot;A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog 1258324;1441096085;shinohai;Read that one. 1258325;1441096111;shinohai;Jees, how hard are you being watched? 1258326;1441096149;BingoBoingo;Well, If I know the FBI/Treasury/WTFObolaBBQ is watching why would I even create an opportunity to be framed as a person looking to participate in drug commerce? 1258327;1441096225;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/1aa153796752dbb8d067f547d5944174/tumblr_mzxmu4NJkS1qaoeoqo6_r2_400.gif 1258328;1441096618;shinohai;morning exercise. 1258329;1441096763;mircea_popescu;chick's great, and check out how deeply she bothers the two other insecure ones. 1258330;1441097153;mircea_popescu;jurov : qntra shares added. 1258331;1441098061;deedbot-;[Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-august-2015-statement/ 1258332;1441098616;jurov;"SERENISSIMAFAT12" kek 1258333;1441098680;jurov;asciilifeform: your server serves it as "Content-Type text/plain" 1258334;1441098974;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1258335;1441099794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00067086 = 9.8616 BTC [+] 1258336;1441099805;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/AYCbrqP.jpg << asciilifeform has referred to rms doing this with i believe a compiler as well, and i would hear the story << https://lwn.net/Articles/629259/ 1258460;1441124567;assbot;Extracting the abstract syntax tree from GCC [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vu1Epo ) 1258461;1441124746;trinque;"better not make it too good, or people will want to use it" 1258462;1441124756;phf;ccl for example uses a hacked up version of this ffi generator http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/lth/ffigen/, which is in turn a set of intrusive patches against gcc. can be done, but wouldn't go into upstream for political reasons 1258463;1441124757;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vu26nF ) 1258464;1441124758;trinque;strikes me as exactly the idiocy of "free software" 1258465;1441124821;trinque;and also, utterly ironic to be worrying about how "free software" might be used 1258466;1441125437;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258467;1441125459;ascii_field;'They then use these keys to spawn large numbers of EC2 instances to mine for bitcoins.' << exercise for the reader: calculate how much, e.g., litecoin, could have been mined by the attacker. 1258468;1441125486;ascii_field;(answer: enough for one bus fare in new york) 1258469;1441125530;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258445 << i do not know. but partly for the same reason as gcc, likely. 1258470;1441125530;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 15:51:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: /why/ was gpg written to be unlibrarizable? 1258471;1441125572;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258453 << obfuscation is not quite it. 'librarifiability' needs a kind of deliberate design discipline, which one may choose to follow - or not 1258472;1441125572;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:42; ben_vulpes: so not just technically challenging to call into the c code of but actually deliberately obfuscated? 1258473;1441125593;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258451 << NO. not to understanding. to separatability. 1258474;1441125593;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:05:28; trinque: yup, in the case with gcc, I think the idea was that there'd be a barrier to understanding it if it were monolithic 1258475;1441125613;ascii_field;think of your internal organs. what if they were as easy to steal, cleanly and quietly, as a bicycle ? 1258476;1441125653;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258454 << the only reason why we still have something like open source softs to kick around is that rms did this. 1258477;1441125653;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:54; ben_vulpes: and the 'open source world' went along with this for how long? 1258478;1441125665;trinque;I said that too. 1258479;1441125673;trinque;but I do also see a benefit in barriers to poetterings 1258480;1441125687;trinque;large and complex doesn't necessarily mean incoherent, just not friendly to noobs 1258481;1441125719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00054648 = 15.0282 BTC [-] {2} 1258482;1441125738;ascii_field;specifically, and by design, unfriendly to ~slicers~ 1258483;1441125752;ascii_field;little monkeys who want to take the 'good bits', file off the serial numbers, and run with'em 1258484;1441125754;trinque;yep, that makes perfect sense 1258485;1441125786;phf;re gnupg, that was actually in faq for a while, but they shortened the whole answer to "not a chance" 1258486;1441125808;phf;“Can't we have a gpg library? 1258487;1441125808;phf;This has been frequently requested. However, the current viewpoint of the GnuPG maintainers is that this would lead to several security issues and will therefore not be implemented in the foreseeable future. However, for some areas of application gpgme could do the trick.” 1258488;1441125845;ascii_field;also it is a mistake to suppose that this practice is merely for protecting against plagiarism 1258489;1441125854;ascii_field;it is really a weapon against 'embrace & extinguish' 1258490;1441125857;ascii_field;the only weapon. 1258491;1441125941;ascii_field;or at least, the only one with some track record of success. 1258492;1441125948;phf;https://www.gnupg.org/faq/gnupg-faq.html#keep_dreaming 8.21 I’m a programmer and I need a way to call GnuPG internals directly. Is there a library for this? No, nor will there be. 1258493;1441125950;assbot;GnuPG Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vu4cnw ) 1258494;1441125964;phf;i like the href name 1258495;1441126222;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258486 << looks very much, again, like the gcc thing 1258496;1441126222;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:43:28; phf: “Can't we have a gpg library? 1258497;1441126329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10083 @ 0.00054477 = 5.4929 BTC [-] 1258498;1441126333;ascii_field;yes, i would ~like~ a gcc library; (and a gpg library.) but i understand the authors' logic re: how this could easily and catastrophically help the enemy 1258499;1441126539;ben_vulpes;for argument, how is this 'slicing' different from what we're doing with bitcoin? 1258500;1441126630;ascii_field;what we are attempting is rather like buying, cleaning, repairing old car; they - pulling off the wheels off someone else's parked machine, as in india 1258501;1441126642;*;btcdrak wonders where he can short Mike and Gavin's reputation which seem to be going down in flames along with the XT movement. 1258502;1441127123;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258386 << Glorious! what became of this ?! 1258503;1441127123;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 12:10:42; punkman: http://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres_are_switching_written_numbers_when_scanning 1258504;1441127166;ascii_field;^ from my reading, this had a very real chance of destroying the non-pgp contract as even a theatrical production 1258505;1441127168;punkman;ascii_field: I remember reading about it in 2013, stumbled upon it today. nothing inbetween 1258506;1441127190;ascii_field;that suggests it was successfully hushed up. 1258507;1441127332;punkman;"A reader tells me there is a small notice in his copier's admin panel about character substitution. On his device, the “bug” can be avoided by setting compression from “normal” to higher. As a consequence, the issue must have been known by Xerox – so why was nobody telling us?" 1258508;1441127409;punkman;"Rick Dastin, Vice President at Xerox, is the first one actually working at Xerox being able to tell me that character substitutions actually can occur and Xerox knows (in contrast to their support). They also tell me that this is wanted." 1258509;1441127413;punkman;yep it's a feature 1258510;1441127417;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258511;1441127421;ascii_field;... and then the whole thing Unhappened. 1258512;1441127529;punkman;"More and more known enterprises reach out ot me these days, asking theirselves if they have a huge problem with their scanned documents. Others are already certain thay actually have a huge problem, some of them in security critical contexts. All have in common that they understandably are afraid of publicity." 1258513;1441127730;punkman;from the comments: "Have there been any lawsuits by companies against Xerox for damages caused by Xerox machines substituting characters in various financial reports or other types of reports. I'm having difficulty getting people to believe your report. " 1258514;1441127738;ascii_field;the xerox thing is brain-meltingly hilarious 1258515;1441127741;punkman;"I work for Xerox and I had to hear this from outside sources like this one. " 1258516;1441127767;ascii_field;i can't help but wonder if someone is getting a red star pinned on his uniform in moscow, for having planted this bug 1258517;1441127776;punkman;heh 1258518;1441127781;ascii_field;(meta-moscow, naturally) 1258519;1441128216;mircea_popescu;ascii_field eh ffs. 1258520;1441128464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40004 @ 0.00054659 = 21.8658 BTC [+] 1258521;1441128490;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, sent note pointing out that if it happens again that's it for that box. i'm not so convinced it'll do anything. consequently... prep to move it, i guess. got any suggestions of location ? 1258522;1441128525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31717 @ 0.00054499 = 17.2854 BTC [-] {4} 1258523;1441128542;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i am ready to move it. but can't think of, yet, a good place to move it ~to~ 1258524;1441128559;ascii_field;that wouldn't be ruinously expensive, poorly jurisdictioned, or both. 1258525;1441128560;mircea_popescu;me either. 1258526;1441128565;BingoBoingo; not a ~real~ recession, those don't happen in the biggest bestest firstest americas << Testnet Americans 1258527;1441128568;mircea_popescu;what's your idea of ruinous ? 1258528;1441128595;ascii_field;more than a coin a mo. or close. 1258529;1441128598;ascii_field;imho 1258530;1441128629;mircea_popescu;not the end of the world. 1258531;1441128632;ascii_field;but this is really for mircea_popescu to decide, given as he supplied this item as 'pro bono' 1258532;1441128652;mircea_popescu;yeah i dun see a problem paying 1-1.5 for this. provided the box is decent and the dc unretarded, i'd take it. 1258533;1441128712;ascii_field;i would dare to suggest that the subcontract should include a stipulation that >1 unsanctioned reset per year == termination 1258534;1441128755;mircea_popescu;i prefer the more broad "unretarded" 1258535;1441128795;ascii_field;diametric informed me that his bisp box has not experienced resets... 1258536;1441128811;mircea_popescu;they're right next to each other, amusingly enough. 1258537;1441128827;ascii_field;i think this clinches it 1258538;1441128847;ascii_field;little goblins hang around specifically dulap 1258539;1441128882;*;mircea_popescu inquires with online webexperts 1258540;1441128896;mircea_popescu;online webexperts assure me that this is a coincidence and also was published before by a scientist somewhere. 1258541;1441128900;BingoBoingo;Dulap probably needs a datacenter with dogs on the floow 1258542;1441128901;ascii_field;l0lz 1258543;1441128920;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think you should apologize before making fool of self kthx. 1258544;1441128921;BingoBoingo;*floor 1258545;1441128921;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i'd settle for a welded 1u with internal 12v battery 1258546;1441128934;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: clearly, aha 1258547;1441128948;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how long's your lease where you're now ? 1258548;1441128966;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: my earthly carcass ? 1258549;1441128971;mircea_popescu;yes 1258550;1441128979;ascii_field;~10 mo 1258551;1441128982;mircea_popescu;o.O 1258552;1441128988;mircea_popescu;wtf's wrong with you. 1258553;1441129001;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: traditional lease in this part of the world, for human habitation, is 1y 1258554;1441129006;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1258555;1441129013;ascii_field;state of maryland requires vendor to offer 2y 1258556;1441129014;mircea_popescu;i won't even discuss it for less than 3 years. 1258557;1441129034;ascii_field;business leases are typically 3-5 1258558;1441129040;mircea_popescu;anyway, you still got that spiffy ups ? 1258559;1441129047;ascii_field;aha 1258560;1441129066;mircea_popescu;how about you pick out a system, i buy it, and then you run nsa from home. 1258561;1441129077;ascii_field;no static ip 1258562;1441129079;ascii_field;and can't get. 1258563;1441129087;mircea_popescu;it'll be cheaper than paying a coin a month for 10 months i'm sure, and we also get the added advantage that we put all the eggs in your basket 1258564;1441129095;mircea_popescu;heh so get a vps bridge 1258565;1441129124;jurov;ANN: coinbr had to be shut down and will likely stay for several days till i fix the mess. 1258566;1441129151;jurov;ANN: all funds are there, it just got nonsensical answers from mpex 1258567;1441129155;punkman;TARFUN 1258568;1441129162;mircea_popescu;well i never! 1258569;1441129235;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i did think about this, earlier; principal obstacle is the provision of adequate cooling in my sorry hovel. but in the absence of a better idea, will have to resort to this 1258570;1441129280;punkman;http://www.datacentermap.com/dr-congo/kinshasa/gbsdc1.html 1258571;1441129281;assbot;GBSDC1 - Data Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vu9m2I ) 1258572;1441129311;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258573;1441129313;ascii_field;punkman: l0l! 1258574;1441129319;ascii_field;punkman: yours ? 1258575;1441129325;trinque;alright, when do we buy a cruise ship? 1258576;1441129331;trinque;the scientologists have this figured out 1258577;1441129355;ascii_field;dirigible. 1258578;1441129362;punkman;unfortunately, I don't yet own a datacenter in the Congo 1258579;1441129368;ascii_field;aw. 1258580;1441129441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189059 @ 0.00061087 = 115.4905 BTC [+] {15} 1258581;1441129463;mircea_popescu;congo, detroit, what the hell's the difference. 1258582;1441129476;pete_dushenski;jurov thanks for the update :) 1258583;1441129477;ascii_field;big difference 1258584;1441129482;ascii_field;usg won't diddle in the congo 1258585;1441129500;pete_dushenski;http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2015/09/01/102963213-google.530x298.jpg?v=1441123832 << new usgoogle logo 1258586;1441129501;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vu9EH0 ) 1258587;1441129502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00066404 = 22.7434 BTC [+] {2} 1258588;1441129533;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1258589;1441129543;mircea_popescu;how exactly is congo a sovereign again ? 1258590;1441129553;ascii_field;it isn't. just a sheepskin not worth the tanning 1258591;1441129555;ascii_field;typically 1258592;1441129559;mircea_popescu;... 1258593;1441129572;mircea_popescu;you've never been to africa have you. 1258594;1441129585;ascii_field;must confess that i have not. 1258595;1441129594;ascii_field;not itching to, either 1258596;1441129604;mircea_popescu;your idea is amply divergent from reality. do you know WHO is itching to go ? 1258597;1441129610;mircea_popescu;and lord it over the well hung locals ? 1258598;1441129620;mircea_popescu;disfigured 50yo "socialites" from florida. 1258599;1441129620;ascii_field;chinese? 1258600;1441129623;ascii_field;hm 1258601;1441129639;trinque;I hear Christian "missionaries" do very well in Africa 1258602;1441129648;mircea_popescu;place's crawling with "whornorary ambassadors" and whatnot 1258603;1441129800;mircea_popescu;ascii_field why aren't you renting on a llc anyway ? 1258604;1441129831;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: residential zone 1258605;1441129845;ascii_field;we have banana republic here, recall. 1258606;1441129866;mircea_popescu;so what if it is a residential zone ?! 1258607;1441129871;ascii_field;laws of the monkeys proclaim, must stand upside-down on head on odd-numbered tuesdays 1258608;1441129886;mircea_popescu;i dun get it. 1258609;1441129896;ascii_field;if found to run business in residential zone, will HAve Pr0blemz 1258610;1441129907;mircea_popescu;you don't run any business. 1258611;1441129920;mircea_popescu;your company rents a place from some other company to crimp the ceo (ie, you) 1258612;1441129924;mircea_popescu;perfectly legal. 1258613;1441129938;ascii_field;then have problem with isp: 1258614;1441129943;ascii_field;must buy 'business line' 1258615;1441129946;ascii_field;4x cost. 1258616;1441129956;mircea_popescu;actually a honest signal to all the twerps involved not to mess around. 1258617;1441129958;ascii_field;long list of this idiocy 1258618;1441129965;ascii_field;and it all costs, costs. 1258619;1441129966;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 4x 40 bucks ? so ? why do you care ? tax deductible. 1258620;1441129970;ascii_field;100+ 1258621;1441129976;ascii_field;brb, eating food 1258622;1441129978;trinque;yeah dude, gotta run everything through an llc 1258623;1441129983;trinque;haven't you seen Arrested Development? 1258624;1441129990;mircea_popescu;what's that ? 1258625;1441130005;trinque;ok comedy series on bezzleland's mcmansion industry 1258626;1441130010;mircea_popescu;ah 1258627;1441130072;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you're a smart kid, do the math. or better yet, have the girl do the math. 1258628;1441130091;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to go all crazy here and suggest you actually hire an expert, you've not been buying bitcoin for long enough yet. 1258629;1441130135;mircea_popescu;yes you pay more for utilities, but not THAT much more and in general actually less than what the tax would have cost you, and you get to deduce the rent too, and it never really ends. 1258630;1441130168;mircea_popescu;the appearance of "costs" is what's known in poker as a trap. to keep the fucktards out. so dun be a fucktard, you can think, there's no rule that you may only think about coding or something. think all through, the same way, everywhere. 1258631;1441130209;mircea_popescu;don't credit newspapers just because they're newspapers when you know in your own field what a shitfest they are ; don't expect the laws etc are anythig but badly written, poorly maintained code full of holes. as reverse-engineerable as anything else. 1258632;1441130234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00066628 = 10.8271 BTC [+] {3} 1258633;1441130778;jurov;http://anarchapulco.com/ jesus in attendance, too 1258634;1441130817;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1258635;1441130867;trinque;I am already offended by this site's loading screen 1258636;1441130870;trinque;which is stuck on 0% 1258637;1441130877;trinque;what is this, 90s flash? 1258638;1441130883;mircea_popescu;"IS THE WORLD'S FIRST AND LARGEST" 1258639;1441130892;trinque;lol 1258640;1441130896;mircea_popescu;oddly enough it loads for me. 1258641;1441130899;trinque;now stuck on 99% 1258642;1441130922;trinque;mmyeah I knew what this site was gonna look like. 1258643;1441130956;mircea_popescu;why the fuck is this "casey research ring my scam bell" 1258644;1441130961;mircea_popescu;o wait. 1258645;1441130966;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema DOUG CASEY 1258646;1441130967;gribble;So the Dollar Vigilante scam ring is going to jail. on Trilema - A blog ...: ; Doug Casey | Casey Research: ; Totally Incorrect - Doug Casey's New Book - Casey Research: 1258647;1441130970;mircea_popescu;herp. 1258648;1441130995;mircea_popescu;when are people going to learn that it doesn't wash. 1258649;1441131117;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/9866451ba59203a02e9931a467016546/tumblr_nr6nndTs371u6xnhgo1_500.gif 1258650;1441131118;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vuc9cb ) 1258651;1441131149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00066766 = 4.3064 BTC [+] 1258652;1441131633;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258346 << if you conceive it in the butt, you carry it in the butt! 1258653;1441131633;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 09:51:37; cazalla: punkman, she is carrying the child in her ass? 1258654;1441131638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00066785 = 28.3836 BTC [+] {2} 1258655;1441131725;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/EDKCLyy.jpg 1258656;1441131725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVL5k7 ) 1258657;1441131776;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258371 << or rotten. 1258658;1441131776;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 11:07:45; shinohai: Perhaps he could be described as a member of the species whose brain has not yet fully evolved. 1258659;1441131788;mircea_popescu;""According to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), between 2011 and 2020, more than 140 million girls will become child brides. Furthermore, of the 140 million girls who will marry before the age of 18, 50 million will be under the age of 15." << note how little the agenda has to do with the purely fabricated news story. 1258660;1441131810;mircea_popescu;convenient enough that there's nobody in english speaking places reading the yemenite newspapers about how "child dies at hands of doctor" or similar nonsense. 1258661;1441131860;mircea_popescu;"oh, doctoring is a privileged activity, if some people die that's just not mentioned ; a functioning society is pointedly not a privileged activity, if anyone dies we'll put it in the newspaper". 1258662;1441131864;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this even. 1258663;1441131900;mircea_popescu;" Most pro age-limit organizations agree that 18 should be the legal age for marriage." << check it out, voting works NOW. 1258664;1441131913;mircea_popescu;the fact that most of the world agrees girls can marry once they can walk, that doesn't count. 1258665;1441131929;mircea_popescu;but if the whorbassadors i ncongo agree the age should be 18, then hey, DEMOCRACY!!11 1258666;1441131932;mircea_popescu;they had a consensus. 1258667;1441132261;BingoBoingo;lulz https://bitcoinmagazine.com/21809/open-letter-bitcoin-community-developers/ 1258668;1441132262;assbot;An Open Letter to the Bitcoin Community from the Developers – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vue54v ) 1258669;1441132474;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258565 pls no 1258670;1441132474;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 17:38:44; jurov: ANN: coinbr had to be shut down and will likely stay for several days till i fix the mess. 1258671;1441132489;BingoBoingo;Corn uppdate http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/midwest-corn-goes-from-soaked-to-choked/article_46179f53-7983-5625-8c51-3a6e1804306b.html 1258672;1441132490;assbot;Midwest corn goes from soaked to choked : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1VueFz6 ) 1258673;1441132491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.000665 = 10.0415 BTC [-] 1258674;1441132647;mircea_popescu;dat xerox bug. 1258675;1441132665;*;mircea_popescu is impressed with dkriesel 1258676;1441132772;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258408 << how about first let the usg spend its resources on ultimately useless mining farm neh 1258677;1441132772;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 14:24:44; asciilifeform: imho it is not actually possible to replace it with ~provably equivalent~ item. 1258678;1441132788;BingoBoingo;http://thesouthern.com/news/local/dozens-rally-in-harrisburg-to-support-confederate-flag/article_dce53cb2-dc9f-565f-9af6-20d1854e629e.html 1258679;1441132789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vuf2de ) 1258680;1441132857;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258442 << apparently "standard" means "common" in the nca parlance nao. 1258681;1441132857;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 15:45:36; trinque: english... will it blend? 1258682;1441132889;mircea_popescu;because it really makes one sleep better at night, to see teh crime fightin' experts couldn't find someone older about 13 or so to write their writings. 1258683;1441132920;trinque;glad to see the PA cousin-fuckers love the rebel flag 1258684;1441132925;trinque;what a shithole of a state. 1258685;1441132971;BingoBoingo;trinque: Nah, Harrisburg Illinois 1258686;1441132989;trinque;ah my mistake 1258687;1441133004;trinque;says Pennsylvania in the tags 1258688;1441133040;BingoBoingo;Probably because of retarded auto-tagging 1258689;1441133104;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258690;1441133237;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258630 << thing is, there ~is~ upfront cost, and from where exactly am i to come up with it ? 1258691;1441133237;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 17:56:08; mircea_popescu: the appearance of "costs" is what's known in poker as a trap. to keep the fucktards out. so dun be a fucktard, you can think, there's no rule that you may only think about coding or something. think all through, the same way, everywhere. 1258692;1441133253;trinque;registering an llc is like 300 bucks 1258693;1441133259;trinque;depending on the state 1258694;1441133263;ascii_field;trinque: every beggar in town has an llc 1258695;1441133267;ascii_field;i'm talking about the rest of it 1258696;1441133273;trinque;right, and they're taking deductions on goddamn everythig 1258697;1441133274;mircea_popescu;what rest ? 1258698;1441133275;ascii_field;the 'businessized' version of everything 1258699;1441133275;trinque;*thing 1258700;1441133290;ascii_field;isp, additional taxations, accounting 1258701;1441133298;ascii_field;lawyers. 1258702;1441133300;mircea_popescu;alfie stop telling yourself stories and read the book of nature instead. 1258703;1441133451;ascii_field;also mircea_popescu appears to have forgotten about mr stack and his programmatory llc ? 1258704;1441133492;trinque;gonna die anyway, why not act tactically til then? 1258705;1441133510;ascii_field;trinque: this means what ? 1258706;1441133528;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that was entirely a different story. he was trying to organise his coding income through a llc. 1258707;1441133533;trinque;take every deduction you can, and so on. 1258708;1441133535;mircea_popescu;you are trying to organise your ~expenditure~ 1258709;1441133536;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: precisely! 1258710;1441133541;mircea_popescu;not precisely at all. 1258711;1441133547;trinque;your side projects are this llc. not your job 1258712;1441133563;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if i did not put my income through it, then it is a plain tax shelter and this lasts precisely five seconds if anyone so much as farts on it 1258713;1441133568;ascii_field;where i live, at my weight class. 1258714;1441133576;trinque;dude nobody says your side business has to be profitable 1258715;1441133580;trinque;there wouldn't be any if that were the case. 1258716;1441133596;mircea_popescu;im telling you, whether you'll like it or not : this conversation is to me indistinguishable from conversation with blondy who has decided "she doesn't have a math head". meanwhile she has exceptionally keen eye for shoes, to a degree most math heads could not keep up. 1258717;1441133599;ascii_field;trinque: understand what an llc without a dime of income or so much as threatening to earn any, looks like ? 1258718;1441133606;mircea_popescu;you're the fucking same thing in a different color scheme already! 1258719;1441133624;mircea_popescu;the same head that yields beautiful code also yields legal arguments, yo! 1258720;1441133627;ascii_field;consider that i actually operate an llc (with partner) since '10, and not speaking entirely from my arse 1258721;1441133638;trinque;sure, you're not the only one. 1258722;1441133638;mircea_popescu;reality isn't like, you pick if to be an archer or a tank like fucking wow. 1258723;1441133645;trinque;who said "not a dime" 1258724;1441133650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23410 @ 0.00066979 = 15.6798 BTC [+] {2} 1258725;1441133657;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no but reality means that if i have to spend two weeks appearing in a courtroom, for whatever reason, i starve. 1258726;1441133659;trinque;but if you buy computers, it's an expense. pipe to house? expense. 1258727;1441133661;trinque;etc 1258728;1441133675;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you what it looks like : FUCKING COINBASE. 1258729;1441133681;mircea_popescu;and airbnb and you fucking name it., 1258730;1441133682;mircea_popescu;bejesus., 1258731;1441133692;mircea_popescu;WHY do you think they keep doing those, huh ? 1258732;1441133697;ascii_field;coinbase is blessed by his lizard majesty. 1258733;1441133702;ascii_field;ditto airbnob 1258734;1441133705;mircea_popescu;they're exactly your stage +2. "since we gotta have all these llcs anyway, hopw about we derp more" 1258735;1441133716;ascii_field;quod licet jovis... 1258736;1441133726;mircea_popescu;if this isn't proof that people pick their life, nothing is. 1258737;1441133955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3140 @ 0.00067286 = 2.1128 BTC [+] 1258738;1441134015;mike_c;mod6, ben_vulpes: does the foundation have any ideological opinions on something like trac? 1258739;1441134049;trinque;would not interface with V for one 1258740;1441134054;ascii_field;^ 1258741;1441134074;mike_c;hm. I was thinking for issue tracking. 1258742;1441134075;mircea_popescu;hes got to use something to make the graphs 1258743;1441134102;ascii_field;trac iirc is a www-based bug ticketing thing ? 1258744;1441134108;trinque;yep 1258745;1441134116;mike_c;yeah. like bugzilla but newer with bells. 1258746;1441134134;mike_c;i don't care a whit for it specifically, more for some kind of issue tracking generally. 1258747;1441134139;mike_c;trilema job board only goes so far. 1258748;1441134150;mircea_popescu;not very far at that. 1258749;1441134160;trinque;betcha not a single person did this right either, as with VCS 1258750;1441134163;*;mircea_popescu is still waiting for someone to murder get a freelancer with 1258751;1441134175;mircea_popescu;trinque no, the market is an utter shitmess. 1258752;1441134189;ascii_field;i recall this from conf2 ? 1258753;1441134192;trinque;thing about trac is it's exactly this "cram it all into our project" mentality 1258754;1441134192;mike_c;you know, ascii says 'someone should add file history to V' and I think, yeah, that is much needed and I could bang it out quickly 1258755;1441134196;mircea_popescu;i've been having my eye on this yeah 1258756;1441134206;mike_c;and etc., etc. 1258757;1441134210;trinque;I could see V being applied to this problem too 1258758;1441134214;trinque;where proposals are signed 1258759;1441134226;ascii_field;mike_c: please don't hesitate to experiment with 'v' 1258760;1441134239;mircea_popescu;trinque not sure why you'd need chaining etc 1258761;1441134263;mike_c;I will, but scattered todo lists in various places, feels like it needs a little project management. 1258762;1441134285;phf;there lies the road to hell 1258763;1441134292;trinque;mircea_popescu: maybe not; thought was you patch in new textfiles into some directory structure 1258764;1441134300;trinque;and perhaps my idea extends yours 1258765;1441134302;mike_c;phf: like most things, not if done well 1258766;1441134307;trinque;it's just V-wiki 1258767;1441134339;trinque;and at that, maybe it's a docs folder in the actual bitcoind project 1258768;1441134346;phf;mike_c: "dianetics is not wrong, it's just that you're failing at apply it", aha ;) 1258769;1441134360;mike_c;having a provable and validated package of code is important enough to have something like V. not sure tracking bugs needs to be so rigorous 1258770;1441134362;ascii_field;i dare say this may be an example of the kind of thing one doesn't actually need unless already in a state of dire sin 1258771;1441134380;mike_c;what, managaing a todo list? 1258772;1441134382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62383 @ 0.000665 = 41.4847 BTC [-] {2} 1258773;1441134384;ascii_field;not as such 1258774;1441134388;ascii_field;but systems like 'trac' 1258775;1441134391;trinque;hopefully V becomes an example of how problems ought to be approached around here. 1258776;1441134405;trinque;damned precise approach to a single problem 1258777;1441134408;trinque;trac's way in the other direction 1258778;1441134421;ascii_field;'v' is for small groups of t3rr0r1stz who all quasi-know each other and share a wot 1258779;1441134440;ascii_field;people like this imho do not need mechanized 'bug tracking' machinery 1258780;1441134456;ascii_field;in fact, look at the people who ~do~ appear to need it. how much it helps them ? 1258781;1441134480;mike_c;it helps. just because idiots use it doesn't mean it's not helpful. 1258782;1441134494;mike_c;here's the problem - there are ~6 people who may work on V 1258783;1441134501;mircea_popescu;trinque that spirit is right, but it can't become a "vchain technologee in your fridge" thing 1258784;1441134505;mike_c;there are ~10 things that could/should be done 1258785;1441134514;mircea_popescu;ascii_field who says v is for that ? 1258786;1441134515;mats;i am curious to know when 'yi yi zhi yi' progresses to 'yi fa yi yi 1258787;1441134516;mike_c;who keeps track of who claims what? 1258788;1441134522;mircea_popescu;no, v is the only correct solution to "windows update" problem. 1258789;1441134534;mircea_popescu;ie, a mega system deployed by billions of people in a million different nooks and crannies 1258790;1441134538;mircea_popescu;that's what v's for. 1258791;1441134560;mircea_popescu;mike_c claim ? how you mean ? 1258792;1441134576;ascii_field;mats: translation? 1258793;1441134578;mike_c;just like someone claims something on your job board and you put their name on it 1258794;1441134583;mircea_popescu;how about "people who don't know each other aren't working on the same software, no matter what they might think" 1258795;1441134586;mike_c;so 3 out of the 6 people don't run off and do the same thing 1258796;1441134591;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1258797;1441134591;ascii_field;mircea_popescu has it 1258798;1441134596;trinque;might not be a bad thing that they do all duplicate effort 1258799;1441134599;trinque;say 3/4 suck 1258800;1441134603;mircea_popescu;either they know each other so no problem, or they don't and so no problem space. 1258801;1441134619;mike_c;but "know each other" != "know what everyone is working on at all times" 1258802;1441134620;mircea_popescu;mike_c understand, there's no promise that V will result in even similar bitcoins. 1258803;1441134634;mircea_popescu;in point of fact all the bitcoin-copy altcoins could just as well have run on v 1258804;1441134636;mircea_popescu;all of them. 1258805;1441134651;mircea_popescu;"use this signset to package ltc ; use this signset to package rippe" etc 1258806;1441134714;mircea_popescu;mike_c my definition of "know each other" is, "they can navigate the who's doing what maze". that's the bar. 1258807;1441134730;ascii_field;^^ 1258808;1441134734;mike_c;and the list of "what needs to be done"? 1258809;1441134741;mircea_popescu;fits in head 1258810;1441134751;mike_c;mhm. recite the todo list for V :D 1258811;1441134759;trinque;or blog it 1258812;1441134760;mircea_popescu;(that list MUST be kept. in one head, or a collection of heads approximable to one head. 1258813;1441134780;trinque;not the list, but say you want to explain why you did something 1258814;1441134780;mircea_popescu;if it is not, you will have rebuilt washington dc. you don't want that. dead 8yo girls from cunt explosion is much better.) 1258815;1441134783;trinque;actually ML, not blog 1258816;1441134792;phf;mike_c: there's a recent openbsd presentation that argues against claiming. their point is that the problem of duplicate effort is a lot rarer then lock grabs. and i must add duplicate effort always results in increased understanding if both solutions are analyzed 1258817;1441134826;mike_c;locks only happen with mediocre and lower workers 1258818;1441134833;mircea_popescu;phf the way "claiming" has to date worked in b-a has been as a gubernatorial function, mostly me encouraging/discouraging people from certain projects. 1258819;1441134842;mike_c;who will not suffer wot penalty for not doing what they claimed 1258820;1441134847;mircea_popescu;moderate success rate on former, low on later, soft sort of thing anyway. 1258821;1441134852;mircea_popescu;and i think it's the only way to go. 1258822;1441134899;mircea_popescu;in any case the concept of "democratic self management" is about as idiotic as it gets. like a one-legged chair. 1258823;1441134905;mike_c;I for instance have worked things to 75% completion before locking to avoid stalling something. 1258824;1441134932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9327 @ 0.0006587 = 6.1437 BTC [-] {2} 1258825;1441134937;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1258826;1441134938;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258827;1441135052;jurov;just to remind, i had an offer from my wot for colo but must take whole half of cage for ~3 coins/mo 1258828;1441135062;jurov;if bisp is interested 1258829;1441135063;ascii_field;jurov: colo where ? 1258830;1441135071;jurov;here in slovakia 1258831;1441135084;mircea_popescu;mike_c incidentally the reason i won't recite a todo list for v (and deleted alf's proposed list) is specifically because we don't even understand yet fully its implication. bitcoin-like. 1258832;1441135097;phf;! 1258833;1441135100;mats;ascii_field: translates loosely to '[learning] the way of the barbarians to control barbarians' 1258834;1441135113;mircea_popescu;which is how you end up with disputes like the one re scope above ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258788 ) 1258835;1441135113;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 19:08:42; mircea_popescu: no, v is the only correct solution to "windows update" problem. 1258836;1441135128;ascii_field;mats: yi yi [verb] yi ? 1258837;1441135140;jurov;here i would be able to manage the hardware with my own hands 1258838;1441135147;ascii_field;mats: and it always bothered me that the tonality is not attached to the pinyinization 1258839;1441135155;ascii_field;(or is it normally, somehow?) 1258840;1441135156;mircea_popescu;you can do tone ? 1258841;1441135162;mike_c;perhaps I see it too simply. It is the way for me to get source code from people I designate as trusted. 1258842;1441135173;mircea_popescu;mike_c so it is. 1258843;1441135184;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i did most of a linguistics degree, can do certain things 1258844;1441135187;mats;it is attached, my keyboard isn't setup: the three accents are associated with three of the four tones in pinyin 1258845;1441135197;ascii_field;neato 1258846;1441135210;mats;'zhi': govern 1258847;1441135212;*;mircea_popescu sorely regrets his chinese disability. 1258848;1441135269;mircea_popescu;jurov half a cage is what, 4u ? 1258849;1441135362;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1225685 << where, i think, 'v' begins 1258850;1441135362;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once thought about placing antecedent hashes in patch headers 1258851;1441135385;phf;mircea_popescu: i've come to appreciate the approach from observing it. one person who shapes the entire thing, and everyone else works with the given directions or else operates fully autonomously. people can still form subgroups for short term goals, but without imposing structure on the rest. etc. etc. 1258852;1441135389;mats;'yǐ yí zhì yí' is the pinyin 1258853;1441135400;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225073 << or here. 1258854;1441135400;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 03:55:05; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list. 1258855;1441135410;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-05-2015#1149162 mircea_popescu, yes 1258856;1441135410;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 22:36:03; jurov: I personally got only an offer to share a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo 1258857;1441135420;phf;observing it here that is 1258858;1441135430;jurov;iirc was 8u 1258859;1441135450;ascii_field;jurov: and if it starts rebooting ? 1258860;1441135464;jurov;then i can irl negrate people 1258861;1441135466;shinohai;http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/watch-florida-pastor-says-women-should-greet-their-husbands-looking-spiffed-up-with-a-hot-meal-waiting/ XD 1258862;1441135468;assbot;WATCH: Florida pastor says women should greet their husbands looking ‘spiffed up’ with a hot meal waiting ... ( http://bit.ly/1fTBaNP ) 1258863;1441135500;jurov;what more do you want? 1258864;1441135533;mike_c;trac is opensource. I bet I could integrate V. 1258865;1441135544;jurov;brb 1258866;1441135554;ascii_field;mike_c: the beauty of 'v' is that no server, as such, is needed 1258867;1441135568;ascii_field;just a place to park the latest stuff 1258868;1441135579;ascii_field;and if it is ever tampered in any way, becomes immediately apparent to everyone. 1258869;1441135601;ascii_field;would this be true of a hypothetical 'bugtracker with v' ? 1258870;1441135604;mike_c;Surely. But integrating V could allow for "this patch solved this problem" 1258871;1441135632;mike_c;patches are signed, so I don't see why tampering wouldn't be evident. 1258872;1441135632;ascii_field;and now we have unsigned text and a centralized place to pwn and track activity 1258873;1441135649;mike_c;why unsigned? 1258874;1441135741;ascii_field;because what, you will sign every comment? every stateful change, button click ? 1258875;1441135753;mike_c;No, just every patch. I'll fiddle with it and see if anything interesting happens. 1258876;1441135773;mike_c;ah, but i see your point. mailing list is signed, this wouldn't be. 1258877;1441135779;ascii_field;precisely. 1258878;1441135875;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258848 << iirc a traditional cage is 42u. 1258879;1441135875;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 19:21:09; mircea_popescu: jurov half a cage is what, 4u ? 1258880;1441135877;mike_c;perhaps then less is more. just a todo-list with open/closed and claimed/unclaimed. communication all stays on mailing list 1258881;1441135910;phf;mike_c: do you have a todo list for bitcoind written somewhere? or for v? 1258882;1441135930;ascii_field;phf: the one for 'v' can be found in my original posting of it on the ml 1258883;1441135931;mike_c;no, neither does anyone else. 1258884;1441135946;mike_c;ascii_field; but it's out of date and incomplete 1258885;1441135950;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150831/v_429012f762de1faf81e97b14832c2a9098ec851b.py << here. 1258886;1441135951;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fTC7pD ) 1258887;1441135970;ascii_field;and mike_c is right, it is not entirely current. 1258888;1441136006;ascii_field;however, i am not convinced that merely following the conversation here is not bugtracky enough 1258889;1441136014;ascii_field;it was plainly not enough to reconstruct patch flow, yes 1258890;1441136024;ascii_field;but for 'who wants to do what', it ought to suffice imho 1258891;1441136057;mike_c;I think we may be close to the line. 1258892;1441136064;mike_c;if not already over 1258893;1441136080;ascii_field;mike_c: can you think of a time when two+ people ended up doing the same things? 1258894;1441136090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3973 @ 0.00067118 = 2.6666 BTC [+] 1258895;1441136091;ascii_field;or, alternatively, failing to do anything on account of waiting 1258896;1441136104;mike_c;But I agree with your point about avoiding a lot of unsigned commentary 1258897;1441136140;mike_c;ascii_field: the locking thing is not the biggest thing to me, more the accurate list of things that could/should be done. 1258898;1441136169;mike_c;but to answer your question, yes. 1258899;1441136169;phf;mike_c: ah but it's not true that nobody has those lists. ascii has one, i'm sure does mp, mod6 and ben_vulpes. i keep one too from reading the logs in a text file 1258900;1441136186;mircea_popescu;jurov so it would be ~600 bucks for 8u of space, then hire you to manage it and then buy the actual machines. as an upside you actually have physical access and will lock down the boxes ? 1258901;1441136197;phf;i think at issue is not really collision, but getting someone else to construct a todo list for you.. 1258902;1441136235;mike_c;I don't think that issue is phrased quite right. I'm not looking to get someone else to do anything. 1258903;1441136245;mircea_popescu;phf more layers to it but as a first approximation yea 1258904;1441136352;mike_c;!gettrust phf 1258905;1441136353;assbot;Trust relationship from user mike_c to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mike_c&to=phf | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phf/ 1258906;1441136395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8466 @ 0.00065577 = 5.5517 BTC [-] {2} 1258907;1441136415;mircea_popescu;another very important chunk of the story is the fallout from the "causes not purposes" philosophy. all b-a software exists because, not for, and this is HOW we end up with things like "well we now have this v-jewel, what's it for ?" 1258908;1441136420;mircea_popescu;something that never happens ailleurs. 1258909;1441136544;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and a traditional wife cooks. what's your point. 1258910;1441136594;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ah point is to explain that 'cage' is a kind of standard term, like 'barrel' in petro industry 1258911;1441136601;ascii_field;for anyone who did not know 1258912;1441136620;mircea_popescu; or, alternatively, failing to do anything on account of waiting << i could give some examples of this, but of dubious actual substance. 1258913;1441136636;ascii_field;let's have example ? 1258914;1441136639;mircea_popescu;barrel is two and a half gallons now. 1258915;1441136640;ascii_field;even if tenuous 1258916;1441136645;ascii_field;l0lwat 1258917;1441136661;mircea_popescu;o you didn't know ? grew upwards in larger size from previous. 1258918;1441136680;ascii_field;http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=40+rods+per+hogshead+in+mpg 1258919;1441136684;assbot;40 rods per hogshead in mpg - Wolfram|Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1fTDc0z ) 1258920;1441136689;ascii_field;'in my days we got forty rods to the hog's head and we loved it!!' 1258921;1441136703;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc the french kid that was going to do one of the versions of the job board thing got upset and left in part because iho he was waitinfg for me. 1258922;1441136726;ascii_field;pankkake ? 1258923;1441136738;ascii_field;(or was it pankakke ?) 1258924;1441136746;mircea_popescu;right 1258925;1441136802;mircea_popescu;am i the only one getting spam from people trying to push blog-on-app "solutions" ? 1258926;1441136824;mircea_popescu;that's fucking exactly what trilema needs, an annoying dinger on people's phones ffs. 1258927;1441136831;jurov;mircea_popescu: yes i will ask about the locking and exact dimensions. also will need someone to make the shopping list and plan, 1258928;1441136850;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258929;1441136857;mircea_popescu;jurov but to be perfectly clear, this is a deal where you physically have access to the boxes in question and nobody else touches them 1258930;1441136858;jurov;since i planned a rack onyl once so far, not something i'm proud of 1258931;1441136880;ascii_field;jurov: if this were me, and here in this town, i would set up the batteries, tamper sensors, mains loggers, camera... 1258932;1441136883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26115 @ 0.00065489 = 17.1025 BTC [-] {3} 1258933;1441136884;ascii_field;but it is impractical to have it here 1258934;1441136889;jurov;yes, i understand. if it can be locked only together with other boxen, will say so 1258935;1441136903;mircea_popescu;huh / 1258936;1441136931;ascii_field;jurov: may be worth asking if your cage can be an actual locking sarcophagus 1258937;1441136949;mircea_popescu;and talking of 8 year olds, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a31c0e8f0f214b72c92bf13dba150d08/tumblr_nnvzxmtliK1rlxc3wo1_1280.jpg 1258938;1441136949;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NLa36u ) 1258939;1441136983;mircea_popescu;jurov in general, worth asking to get very clear answers because in principle i would be interested, but i have to clearly know what i'm interested in. 1258940;1441137066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29011 @ 0.00064788 = 18.7956 BTC [-] {2} 1258941;1441137127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66135 @ 0.00064974 = 42.9706 BTC [+] {3} 1258942;1441137209;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1 1258943;1441137215;indiancandy1;hii 1258944;1441137262;jurov;ofc will ask everything 1258945;1441137335;jurov;but i suspect the features you ask and the price will diverge considerably :( 1258946;1441137476;jurov;also, what if lizards reboot the machine remotely with magic packets? 1258947;1441137510;jurov;what was the proximate cause ? 1258948;1441137897;*;kakobrekla checks last bitbet comments and zomgwtfisthatdudethinking 1258949;1441137992;ascii_field;jurov: kinda why i want to place arbitrary hardware of my own making in there 1258950;1441138087;ben_vulpes;what's new, indiancandy1? 1258951;1441138234;ascii_field;let them magicpacket my fpga. 1258952;1441138307;mike_c;kakobrekla: it's not even right.. 1258953;1441138323;mike_c;oh, nvm, those are payouts 1258954;1441138391;mike_c;I guess he trusts you not to muck with his comment more than to get the payments right :) 1258955;1441138394;jurov;ascii_field: you relish in impossible requirements, don't you? i just that ... palpable improvement over some box no one in the wot ever saw, is possible 1258956;1441138416;ascii_field;jurov: colo is impossible now ? 1258957;1441138419;ascii_field;expensive, yes 1258958;1441138423;ascii_field;but impossible ? 1258959;1441138437;jurov;yes i meant at that price 1258960;1441138471;ascii_field;now price - possibly 1258961;1441138488;jurov;and the juxtaposition of you doing it all personally and it being not in the north america 1258962;1441138488;ascii_field;certainly 2btc doesn't buy so much as a parking space here where ~i~ live 1258963;1441138504;ascii_field;jurov: well yes, i will not be doing it personally, unfortunately 1258964;1441138518;ascii_field;so much of what imho needs to be done, cannot be done. 1258965;1441138628;thestringpuller;ascii_field: so much of what imho needs to be done, cannot be done. << doesn't this technically make it impossible? 1258966;1441138634;mircea_popescu;jurov im not interested in what may happen as much as im interested in taking specific reasonable measures. 1258967;1441138636;thestringpuller;with the circumstances 1258968;1441138656;mircea_popescu;and what exactly diverge you mean ? someone offered you half a rack for 500 except if you wish to touch it it's 19500 ? 1258969;1441138672;jurov;no 1258970;1441138697;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no you know, he's saved it there because that way, if we do something fishy, the record will be left behind. 1258971;1441138704;mircea_popescu;on our own site. in the comments section. 1258972;1441138709;mircea_popescu;weblogic. 1258973;1441138736;jurov;if it turns out it's not possible to have lockable sub-compartment and must have whole vage for 1000 euro 1258974;1441138742;jurov;*cage for 1258975;1441138745;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1258976;1441138751;mircea_popescu;jurov that'd be the least of my concerns. 1258977;1441138775;jurov;okay. another concern would be? 1258978;1441138794;mircea_popescu;i'm spending a lot more than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space than on women living space, for my sins ;/ 1258979;1441138914;mircea_popescu;just find out if you can put your hands on it and figure out if you want to. 1258980;1441138948;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258447 <<< because cool toy, aha. 1258981;1441138948;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:00:06; mats: conspiracy aside, probably just twenty years of glue and paperclips on a design nobody ever expected to be in production 1258982;1441139005;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258454 << you don't understand, it's fine when we do it. and the people we like. and poettering. 1258983;1441139005;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:54; ben_vulpes: and the 'open source world' went along with this for how long? 1258984;1441139023;mircea_popescu;"open source people" used to mean something, like "burning man attendant" used to mean something. now it means something else. 1258985;1441139236;mircea_popescu;anyway, basically stallman saw the problem of "if i release bitcoin then the twerps will get it and pretend to be using it, and then pretend to be improving on it and soon enough it will be indistinguishable from the sort of shit that it was made to kill. because the source of the shit drowning us is neither god nor the aliens nor unforseen circumstances - it's the lesser apes we insist on calling humans for no reason." 1258986;1441139253;mircea_popescu;and his solution to it was a sort of "so i'll release just the tip" 1258987;1441139264;mircea_popescu;because that works now, and such nonsense counts as strategic design. 1258988;1441139278;ascii_field;not only that, but rms is not mircea_popescu and the thieves would cry 'stop thief', sue inventor for using own item, and win. 1258989;1441139302;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter who one is, bad strat is bad strat. 1258990;1441139320;mats;because search is broken i am having trouble discovering the revocation thread. anyone have a link, or would mind explaining implications for e.g. keyserver? 1258991;1441139343;mircea_popescu;what revocation ? 1258992;1441139368;mats;key revocation 1258993;1441139375;mircea_popescu;explain what this means. 1258994;1441139384;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132549 1258995;1441139384;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 03:34:04; assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:44:05; ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?) 1258996;1441139407;mircea_popescu;the concept as intuited by gpg users is meaningless. 1258997;1441139445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14343 @ 0.000665 = 9.5381 BTC [+] 1258998;1441139452;mats;so, practically, i shouldn't even bother handling revocation signatures? 1258999;1441139469;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258978 < but women arent in amsterdam? 1259000;1441139469;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 20:19:54; mircea_popescu: i'm spending a lot more than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space than on women living space, for my sins ;/ 1259001;1441139471;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't fault you for ignoring them. i would fault you for "handling" an undefined concept in a weird way. 1259002;1441139508;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla on occasion they are. 1259003;1441139570;kakobrekla;when the phuctor is down i guess. 1259004;1441139571;ascii_field;iirc what mircea_popescu painstakingly explained in that old thread is that there is not, of course, a magical incantation which makes a 'revoked' key stop working 1259005;1441139616;ascii_field;kakobrekla: it is presently not working other than for the display of old results. and will not work again until it gets 6+ weeks of uninterrupted mains current. 1259006;1441139641;mircea_popescu;o.O that bad ?! 1259007;1441139651;kakobrekla;there is too many or to few womenz in ams. 1259008;1441139672;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes, that bad 1259009;1441139681;ascii_field;and if on 6wk - 1minute it resets, count again. 1259010;1441139682;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a coupla weeks. 1259011;1441139689;ascii_field;my rough calculation is this. 1259012;1441139704;mircea_popescu;lol well this will need a redesign then. 1259013;1441139708;mircea_popescu;too damned vulnerable. 1259014;1441139741;ascii_field;any redesign of that thing means rewrite 100% 1259015;1441139751;kakobrekla;yeah you need aws 1259016;1441139751;ascii_field;because 1st step non-negotiably is to stop using sqlite. 1259017;1441139753;*;kakobrekla runs 1259018;1441139765;ascii_field;kakobrekla: laugh, but that's where it lived for 1st year and a half 1259019;1441139770;kakobrekla;i know! 1259020;1441139815;mircea_popescu;stop using whatever it takes, but the idea is, if a power outage a season means it does no useful work worth the mention, we can't have it. because we no longer live in the world of our forefathers, where shit worked. even obama gets power interrupted once a year. 1259021;1441139860;kakobrekla;once a year ends up at 90% utilization which is acceptable, no ? 1259022;1441139877;ascii_field;thing is, 1259023;1441139886;ascii_field;if i can put a 12v lead-acid cell in the 1u colo, 1259024;1441139889;ascii_field;no interruptions 1259025;1441139901;ascii_field;supposing the place is actually a data center and has ~some~ backup power 1259026;1441139907;ascii_field;rather than multi-hour outages 1259027;1441139947;mircea_popescu;if multi hour outages are what you need, multi hour outages are what you'll get. 1259028;1441139955;mircea_popescu;software that's more friable than the hardware is a bad idea. 1259029;1441139993;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: even with optimal design, it can save the product of moduli perhaps once per 24h 1259030;1441139994;mircea_popescu;;;calc 6/52 1259031;1441139994;gribble;0.115384615385 1259032;1441140000;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla not even a single nine. 1259033;1441140000;ascii_field;so every outage is 24h of lost cycles. 1259034;1441140013;ascii_field;there is NO WAY to save it after every multiplication! 1259035;1441140014;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 24 hours is within range. even, maybe, a week. 1259036;1441140017;mircea_popescu;six weeks is insanity. 1259037;1441140029;ascii_field;so they will pull power every day 1259038;1441140029;mircea_popescu;take it out of weeks and into days. 1259039;1441140034;mircea_popescu;this i wish to see. 1259040;1441140043;ascii_field;mircea_popescu did say, 'if you need x hour outages you will get' 1259041;1441140050;kakobrekla;lulz 1259042;1441140051;mircea_popescu;that, yes. 1259043;1441140062;ascii_field;we already established that it is not affecting diametric's machine 1259044;1441140075;mircea_popescu;why are you arguing with me! 1259045;1441140078;ascii_field;so what, monkey tasked with pulling out my mains cord, his arms will get tired? 1259046;1441140081;ascii_field;from pulling every hour ? 1259047;1441140088;mircea_popescu;yeah. maybe i manage to shoot one. 1259048;1441140129;mircea_popescu;somehow this reminded me of bofh 1259049;1441140138;ascii_field;'solar flares!' 1259050;1441140145;funkenstein_;phuctor@home 1259051;1441140147;ascii_field;... he pulled new leaf from Excuse Calendar 1259052;1441140157;ascii_field;funkenstein_: it is serial process 1259053;1441140160;ascii_field;so no at home. 1259054;1441140273;mircea_popescu;"I recognize that you don't want me to "change the subject" to refactoring, but I don't see this as a change of subject." 1259055;1441140278;mircea_popescu;dude what the fuck is wrong with these people. 1259056;1441140296;ascii_field;oh certainly i must rewrite it 1259057;1441140299;mircea_popescu;"i will now say some words about your position after which we disregard it and replace it with mine. MAGIC!!1" 1259058;1441140307;ascii_field;but do not have the time, and don't know when i will. 1259059;1441140326;mircea_popescu;ascii_field was quoting from a summary of that ast debate someone linked. 1259060;1441140332;ascii_field;ah lol 1259061;1441140417;mircea_popescu;ascii_field can't it be made to dump the product to disk along with some state every however long ? once a day ? 1259062;1441140434;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes. and nothing whatsoever can happen when it dumps 1259063;1441140436;mircea_popescu;a hack, obviously 1259064;1441140443;mircea_popescu;no problem there. 1259065;1441140616;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259066;1441140619;ascii_field;this, too, means rewriting a good chunk of the thing. 1259067;1441140622;ascii_field;and will happen. 1259068;1441140624;ascii_field;at some point. 1259069;1441140656;ascii_field;probably i ought to explain why. 1259070;1441140658;mircea_popescu;"I was amazed that they were able to persuade RMS not to block the conversion to C++, and as the article points out, five years of plugins have not led to disaster;" 1259071;1441140663;mircea_popescu;orly ? they have shown this ? 1259072;1441140665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34185 @ 0.000665 = 22.733 BTC [+] 1259073;1441140667;ascii_field;right now the factorizer and the web crud are entirely separate programs 1259074;1441140670;mircea_popescu;to whom, and where the fuck was he looking 1259075;1441140674;ascii_field;which do not communicate except via sharing a db. 1259076;1441140697;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so that db, can't it be snapshotted by a third thing ? 1259077;1441140708;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not without stopping all of it 1259078;1441140720;mircea_popescu;the design as described is good, and it should be db-replicated 1259079;1441140730;mircea_popescu;ascii_field go in as root, lock the db, dump it, unlock it. 1259080;1441140735;mircea_popescu;what, someone'll complain ? 1259081;1441140741;mats;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/gdp-economy-recession-1.3210790 1259082;1441140743;assbot;Recession confirmed as Canada's GDP shrank in 2nd quarter - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJU4TS ) 1259083;1441140749;ascii_field;mno, what happens is that the result is not consistent. 1259084;1441140755;ascii_field;sqlite is a steaming pile of shit. 1259085;1441140763;mircea_popescu;mats lucky that the us was corrected up from the previous corection of 4.5 1259086;1441140766;mircea_popescu;to 9.18 or w/e 1259087;1441140773;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it can't be locked ? 1259088;1441140833;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not effectively. recall, the two processes do not know about one another. 1259089;1441140850;mircea_popescu;so ? 1259090;1441140854;mircea_popescu;this is what db locks are for. 1259091;1441140860;ascii_field;it was an ultra-minimal design, that cannot be changed at all without making 25x more complicated. 1259092;1441140868;ascii_field;afaik. 1259093;1441140882;mircea_popescu;what does your factorizer do if the db returns "wait" or w/e it returns if a lock's active 1259094;1441140895;mircea_popescu;heck, the db shouldn't even complain, just hold the data 1259095;1441140909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.000665 = 29.5925 BTC [+] 1259096;1441141154;jurov;you swear on bitcoind's bdb hardwired in, yet you apparently did the same with phuctor and sqlite? O.o 1259097;1441141192;jurov;if it's sane python+sql, maybe two lines 1259098;1441141241;ascii_field;jurov: appreciate, the thing was written in a coupla hours. 1259099;1441141248;ascii_field;jurov: and i don't ~do~ www 1259100;1441141272;jurov;i appreciate very much. but can't readily imagine this situation 1259101;1441141282;mircea_popescu;iirc the code was release no ? 1259102;1441141293;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the non-www part, yes 1259103;1441141294;mircea_popescu;released* 1259104;1441141302;mircea_popescu;db calls and all ? 1259105;1441141308;ascii_field;1sec.. 1259106;1441141354;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me this;d be a fine project for a young gent. "here's this code alf himself wrote (in two hours). here's the problem. fix it without breaking anyhing!" 1259107;1441141370;mircea_popescu;it can go straighht to ml, and it can be an early 2nd simpler project to handle via V 1259108;1441141422;ascii_field;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/werker.c 1259109;1441141424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAjHWZ ) 1259110;1441141481;ascii_field;thing is, it also needs to be rebuilt as discussed before, where it stores ~known factors of any given modulus~ in the db 1259111;1441141489;ascii_field;rather than flagging 'phuctored moduli' 1259112;1441141514;mircea_popescu;one thing at a time neh ? 1259113;1441141515;ascii_field;potentially folks could even submit 'i know a factor for modulus m!' into a box somewhere, regardless of why 1259114;1441141526;mircea_popescu;neah. 1259115;1441141527;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: some things cannot be retrofitted. this is one of them. 1259116;1441141540;mircea_popescu;trinque you wanna derp with this db ? 1259117;1441141552;ascii_field;and it is the only way of having moduli be retestable without temporarily unphuctoring them 1259118;1441141607;ascii_field;phuctor is one of those things that is mechanically deadly simple on paper but very, very easy to fuck up irrevocably in practice 1259119;1441141617;ascii_field;consider, flip so much as one bit in the product 1259120;1441141620;ascii_field;and it is garbage. 1259121;1441141649;jurov;that make it even more important to snapshot it 1259122;1441141671;mircea_popescu;myeah 1259123;1441141676;ascii_field;jurov: problem is that it takes a while to - reliably - save or load a GB. 1259124;1441141689;ascii_field;and while it happens no multiplication can take place. 1259125;1441141697;mircea_popescu;that "a while" is not six weeks. 1259126;1441141705;mircea_popescu;during which we just established jack shit's taking place. 1259127;1441141718;ascii_field;well, yes. but in 6 wks product is reliably regenerated 1259128;1441141741;mircea_popescu;i don't care about the site being down an hour a day, to save its guts. 1259129;1441141751;mircea_popescu;i do care about airing air for the next two months. 1259130;1441141755;ascii_field;(incidentally, it ~is~ possible to do this faster by splitting multiplications into a tree and distributing between machines. but this is considerably more moving part than what we have now, and quite enough for ph.d. thesis) 1259131;1441141809;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is very much right that the thing ought to save itself nightly. but this in fact requires rewrite. 1259132;1441141816;ascii_field;of more or less whole thing. 1259133;1441141921;ascii_field;also would be nice to NOT ignore the 5% or so of sks keys that have utf8-isms in'em 1259134;1441141954;ascii_field;but this requires not only rewrite but the remaking of pgpdump lib ! 1259135;1441142007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00067349 = 16.8036 BTC [+] {3} 1259136;1441142166;punkman;sqlite has online backups https://www.sqlite.org/c3ref/backup_finish.html 1259137;1441142167;assbot;Online Backup API. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJWxNV ) 1259138;1441142179;punkman;ascii_field: which part in werker takes 6 weeks? 1259139;1441142200;ascii_field;read. 1259140;1441142216;ascii_field;gen_prod. 1259141;1441142391;ascii_field;BingoBoingo et al: http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting 1259142;1441142394;assbot;KSAT.COM EXCLUSIVE: Unedited video of fatal deputy-involved... ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJWVMu ) 1259143;1441142407;ascii_field;^ fella shot by cop after surrendering, on camera 1259144;1441142413;ascii_field;with hands up 1259145;1441142507;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259146;1441142517;ascii_field;we might be nearing mircea_popescu's magic 3% figure... 1259147;1441142928;ascii_field;and then they drag the body.. 1259148;1441142982;thestringpuller;this is like some gta stuff 1259149;1441143044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00067506 = 17.3153 BTC [+] {3} 1259150;1441143121;thestringpuller;ascii_field: this is why you avoid leaving the house huh? 1259151;1441143131;thestringpuller;damn d00d isn't even black... 1259152;1441143151;ascii_field;thestringpuller: i only ~wish~ i could avoid leaving house 1259153;1441143161;ascii_field;but at any rate, can get firing squad wherever 1259154;1441143166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00068063 = 16.9137 BTC [+] {2} 1259155;1441143166;ascii_field;doesn't have to be at home. 1259156;1441143201;ascii_field;i personally would not be very astonished to end up killed in some variation on this theme. 1259157;1441143527;mats;jurov: plz privmsg when coinbr returns from maintenance mode 1259158;1441143798;mats;in the future some prior notification would be nice so i could shift into neutral 1259159;1441143820;jurov;well, you said yourself you had some orders in error state 1259160;1441143829;mats;not me 1259161;1441143829;jurov;what other notification do you need? 1259162;1441143839;mats;not today, anyway 1259163;1441143878;jurov;if i had to stop it every time there's unexpected balance discrepance, that would be several times per day 1259164;1441143954;mats;this is not reassuring 1259165;1441143976;jurov;did you read my mpex manual? it's explained there 1259166;1441144055;jurov;and i complained numerous times here, too 1259167;1441144149;jurov;also, i suspect i recently started using more proxies, which may have exacerbated the problem.. it's arduous to research, not done yet 1259168;1441144394;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258483 << which is pretty much all of america, sadly. 1259169;1441144394;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:42:32; ascii_field: little monkeys who want to take the 'good bits', file off the serial numbers, and run with'em 1259170;1441144399;mircea_popescu;which is why the design eventually failed. 1259171;1441144444;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259172;1441144491;mircea_popescu;or to quote the webexperts in derpxertises, "The elephant in the room is that GCC and emacs aren't competing against proprietary compilers so much as they are against LLVM and clang. Whichever one has better features and support for programming is going to win mindshare and without mindshare you are dead. This is compounded by the fact that there are several major corporations helping LLVM along so you need steady cont 1259173;1441144491;mircea_popescu;ributions and use just to stay even with them." 1259174;1441144533;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-02-2015#1019862 << see also. 1259175;1441144533;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 21:43:42; asciilifeform: 'but Richard is seemingly frightened about the compiler competition from LLVM that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies through his teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way. 1259176;1441144574;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1259177;1441144585;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1015336 << also. 1259178;1441144585;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 22:07:54; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia 1259179;1441144605;mircea_popescu;aha. 1259180;1441144633;ascii_field;https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html << from horse's mouth 1259181;1441144634;assbot;Richard Stallman - Re: clang vs free software ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2e9RN ) 1259182;1441144678;mircea_popescu;Posted Jan 25, 2015 13:39 UTC (Sun) by dakas (guest, #88146) [Link] 1259183;1441144678;mircea_popescu;Uh, Eric Raymond explicitly created the "Open Source" label exactly to appeal to industry players who considered bothering with principles suspicious. So yes, Open Source is for people without principles. That's not Stallman's pitch, but an explicit design goal of the Open Source agenda. To replace the appeal to principles, a bunch of technical and marketing criteria are propounded. 1259184;1441144678;mircea_popescu;The dearth of actually successful Open Source companies (where Open Source is part of a permanent rather than an exit strategy) makes it pretty clear that this "realistic" advertising strategy is not actually founded in much realism. 1259185;1441144682;mircea_popescu;guy has a point. 1259186;1441144691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00068214 = 12.4832 BTC [+] {3} 1259187;1441144701;trinque;I am prepping to move cross-country, so I can't make hard commitments re: time this week or next; however I don't mind taking a look at phuctor's db use at all. 1259188;1441144704;mircea_popescu;and perhaps the best illustration in history of what ~exactly~ "flag of convenience" means. 1259189;1441144717;ascii_field;aha 1259190;1441144725;mircea_popescu;"hey, some 8 yo might have died for some reason - wouldn't you like this list of washington apointees to decide who can marry in pakistan and when and wqhy ?" 1259191;1441144737;ascii_field;typical human approach to orcraft 1259192;1441144786;mircea_popescu;also what "stealing the stealing" is. check out gcc, and it's "mindshare". because that's what we're calling reddit votes now. 1259193;1441144808;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised we're not hearing all about faux-bitcoin "mindshare". 1259194;1441144906;mircea_popescu;in other news, "you charging passerbys for the sexual use of your wife is very bad because she'll lose mindshare. should give her away for free, and then raise the children. experts agree!" 1259195;1441144975;mircea_popescu;.gif 1259196;1441145118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00067906 = 7.3338 BTC [-] 1259197;1441145351;ascii_field;BingoBoingo et al: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/08/25/Police-Men-plotted-to-use-drone-to-smuggle-drugs-gun-porn-into-prison/3451440520682 << l0l 1259198;1441145394;trinque;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/illinois-police-officer-shot-prompting-manhunt-reports-article-1.2344209 << another cop shot too 1259199;1441145394;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2gADC ) 1259200;1441145402;trinque;didn't see it in logs, might've already been treated 1259201;1441145437;trinque;gonna need a hashtag for this shit; it's trending 1259202;1441145473;ascii_field;trinque: usg will happily carpetbomb own subjects if it needs to. 1259203;1441145521;mircea_popescu;and you know this how. 1259204;1441145530;ascii_field;hypothesis. 1259205;1441145536;trinque;I think it will behave ever more incoherently until it shakes apart entirely 1259206;1441145545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16432 @ 0.00068365 = 11.2337 BTC [+] 1259207;1441145550;ascii_field;i mean, it was happily spreading microbes in own cities, as early as '60s 1259208;1441145555;ascii_field;'for test' 1259209;1441145561;ascii_field;'harmless' 1259210;1441145632;trinque;sure wasn't that in california somewhere (among others probably) 1259211;1441145660;ascii_field;iirc san fran. 1259212;1441145662;ascii_field;brb 1259213;1441145692;mircea_popescu;these are kinda different. 1259214;1441145724;mircea_popescu;the important point about bombs is not the destruction. it's that they are loud and enforce in the recipient a taste of his own powerlessness. 1259215;1441145750;mircea_popescu;i think i said it before, but anyway : the important thing about a beating isn't the actual beating, but the part that forces the recipient to internalise he has no recourse. 1259216;1441145785;mircea_popescu;if you go kloink some dude on the street upside the head, he'll just think himself mistreated, go look for places to complain - the police station, the church, wherever. 1259217;1441145794;mircea_popescu;he'll fantasize about being made whole, all that nonsense. 1259218;1441145816;mircea_popescu;when you beat a slave, it is educative because she knows that this is strictly reality, and the only way out is internalised change. 1259219;1441145842;mircea_popescu;so no, microbes can not be used as substitute for your original " usg will happily carpetbomb own subjects if it needs to." specifically because that one chief ingredient is missing. 1259220;1441145875;trinque;the microbes were tested on people because they wanted to know the results 1259221;1441145895;mircea_popescu;(this is also why the agreement wass in england that if hitler had in fact the resources and the will to continue bombing for six weeks he'd have won the war with britain. 1259222;1441145897;trinque;speaks to maybe their sense of impunity but nothing else 1259223;1441145903;mircea_popescu;not because "britain would have bene destroyed" per se.) 1259224;1441145952;mircea_popescu;trinque note that, importantly, you also need a particular sort of helpless population. the afghani have been bombed pretty much constantly since the 70s, did nothing. 1259225;1441145963;trinque;you need cowards. 1259226;1441145974;mircea_popescu;not exactly cowards. you need jwz's. 1259227;1441145980;mircea_popescu;people who've decided "they just want to X". 1259228;1441145982;trinque;whatever he is, a worm 1259229;1441145990;mircea_popescu;a civilised man! 1259230;1441145999;*;trinque clears his throat 1259231;1441146001;trinque;my mistake! 1259232;1441146002;mircea_popescu;polite and not fucking his secretary. 1259233;1441146003;trinque;haha 1259234;1441146016;pete_dushenski;one who 'doesn't say things like that' 1259235;1441146035;mircea_popescu;because it isn't necessary! 1259236;1441146038;pete_dushenski;and 'doesn't bang her like that' idem 1259237;1441146043;mircea_popescu;or called for! or fair to the black people! 1259238;1441146082;phf;asciilifeform: what about something like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/154647, put a flag on sighup, put a couple of checks (i'm not sure if my guess as far as mainloop is correct) for the flag, do a stop the world snapshot. can have it running normally, periodically send kill -HUP ... 1259239;1441146082;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpIyPq ) 1259240;1441146102;trinque;because civilization is something which happens in the absence-of, not something which happened due to some particular mechanism of conditioning 1259241;1441146123;trinque;you just prevent all the meanies from being mean, and then wealth and empire emerges 1259242;1441146146;trinque;speaking of bombing, when does the Fed start buying stocks directly 1259243;1441146159;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258501 << you're nine months old to that party. what reputation ? 1259244;1441146159;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 16:57:22; *: btcdrak wonders where he can short Mike and Gavin's reputation which seem to be going down in flames along with the XT movement. 1259245;1441146181;btcdrak;bwahahahaha 1259246;1441146197;mircea_popescu;phf not a half bad idea 1259247;1441146261;mircea_popescu;trinque the fed mostly owns privately issued paper anyway. mostly bond bundles, but most of them are tied to stocks (via banks) so in point of fact the fed owns atm ~118-122% or so of the entire us economy 1259248;1441146284;trinque;ah, then I'm way behind 1259249;1441146338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 53100 @ 0.00038573 = 20.4823 BTC [+] 1259250;1441146363;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258516 << it does have a very 1970s spy flick air to it doesn't it. 1259251;1441146363;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 17:16:07; ascii_field: i can't help but wonder if someone is getting a red star pinned on his uniform in moscow, for having planted this bug 1259252;1441146841;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258703 << he fought the law, foolishly, and the law won. as it does. 1259253;1441146841;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 18:50:51; ascii_field: also mircea_popescu appears to have forgotten about mr stack and his programmatory llc ? 1259254;1441146854;ben_vulpes;he also fought entrenched interests, and they won. as they do. 1259255;1441147234;mircea_popescu;he also isn't germane. 1259256;1441147328;trinque;https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/you-think-the-stock-market-is-crazy-look-at-oil-prices/2015/09/01/63b35f40-50e9-11e5-b225-90edbd49f362_story.html << money's sloshing all over the place 1259257;1441147706;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201508.txt.asc 1259258;1441147707;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpL3RN ) 1259259;1441147709;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1259260;1441147735;jurov;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150902/attachment_a339ad5e335ee4a41bd52737e69623d7b3355301.txt 1259261;1441147736;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpL603 ) 1259262;1441147737;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1259263;1441148458;jurov;mircea's entrepreneur experience in 90's romania is germane to everything 1259264;1441148595;jurov;here, too, practically gave up on income tax avoidance to this day 1259265;1441148626;jurov;the govt.. and try make that up on VAT 1259266;1441148740;jurov;and (completely lawful) nonrecognition of business expenses happens, too. 1259267;1441148961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.0006905 = 15.0874 BTC [+] 1259268;1441149057;trinque;tax avoidance is a foolish move if you're dealing in their currency 1259269;1441149059;trinque;why take the risk? 1259270;1441149064;trinque;and if you're not, good job! 1259271;1441149078;trinque;well, I should say, it is a move you ought to be prepared to back up. 1259272;1441149327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14806 @ 0.00068314 = 10.1146 BTC [-] {3} 1259273;1441149452;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258779 << i'm aware of "tx dumper" as a TODO item that alf gives a shit about and that's more or less all. everything else is in his and mircea_popescu's heads. 1259274;1441149452;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 19:07:20; ascii_field: people like this imho do not need mechanized 'bug tracking' machinery 1259275;1441149466;ben_vulpes;mod6 probably has his own as well. 1259276;1441149516;hanbot;getting ready to implement something ben_vulpes? 1259277;1441149597;ben_vulpes;since when have i implemented anything, hanbot?! 1259278;1441149641;hanbot;todo list! 1259279;1441149662;hanbot;it's a full day just following along the ml, honestly. 1259280;1441149672;ben_vulpes;"every software development company eventually ends up writing their own issue tracker, time tracker, and billing system." 1259281;1441149705;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258801 << you and i i think are coming at this from the wrong angle. 1259282;1441149705;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 19:10:19; mike_c: but "know each other" != "know what everyone is working on at all times" 1259283;1441149736;ben_vulpes;work on this thing cannot be marshalled. must be self-organized, by the selves so involved. 1259284;1441149831;ben_vulpes;hanbot: i once cooked up a wiki page on the topic. has since languished, rotted, died. 1259285;1441149876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4744 @ 0.00067592 = 3.2066 BTC [-] 1259286;1441150064;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259238 << entirely impractical. 1) IT TAKES FOREVER 2) nothing can happen while it happens! 1259287;1441150064;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 22:21:22; phf: asciilifeform: what about something like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/154647, put a flag on sighup, put a couple of checks (i'm not sure if my guess as far as mainloop is correct) for the flag, do a stop the world snapshot. can have it running normally, periodically send kill -HUP ... 1259288;1441150108;asciilifeform;phf: or, if this is only for period snapshots, then yes 1259289;1441150117;asciilifeform;phf: and i have a half-written version of that. somewhere 1259290;1441150121;asciilifeform;still does not help me now 1259291;1441150129;asciilifeform;because have to somehow regenerate the lost product 1259292;1441150138;asciilifeform;and motherfuckers strategically yank the mains cable 1259293;1441150147;asciilifeform;comical idiocy, and i have no way around it presently 1259294;1441150215;asciilifeform;aaaand it would have to be db-aware, because has to remember now ~which~ moduli in db are represented in the snapshot.. 1259295;1441150247;hanbot;look on the bright side: at least people care enough to find the holes in your design. 1259296;1441150250;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259224 << afghan doesn't rely on food trucks, flush toilet, or mains wiring. fragile things. 1259297;1441150250;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 22:19:12; mircea_popescu: trinque note that, importantly, you also need a particular sort of helpless population. the afghani have been bombed pretty much constantly since the 70s, did nothing. 1259298;1441150271;asciilifeform;hanbot: these are not 'holes' as such, in that i was aware of them from hour 0. 1259299;1441150321;hanbot;hey, i have some of those too! 1259300;1441150327;asciilifeform;l0l 1259301;1441150469;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259255 << very germane. american tax law designates specifically people like me for maximum pederasty treatment at every possible opportunity. 1259302;1441150469;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 22:40:34; mircea_popescu: he also isn't germane. 1259303;1441150550;asciilifeform;'enough money to be worth raping and killing, but not enough to hire lawyers or run away to .ar etc' 1259304;1441150569;asciilifeform;aka usg feeding pool. 1259305;1441150716;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259268 << also recall the several threads where i explained that not only are virtually all of my expenses (and 100% of income) denominated in usd, but specifically the insta-trackable electronic kind. 1259306;1441150716;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 23:10:57; trinque: tax avoidance is a foolish move if you're dealing in their currency 1259307;1441151196;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i hope you're awake for this one 1259308;1441151204;mircea_popescu;because maximally, we accidentally found a magic packet. 1259309;1441151364;kakobrekla;magic packet that plugs the mains cable? 1259310;1441151369;kakobrekla;pulls* 1259311;1441151372;mircea_popescu;yes 1259312;1441151377;kakobrekla;niggawut 1259313;1441151389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1Q5WYQQ << every single time. 1259314;1441151390;assbot;dpaste: 1Q5WYQQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKsQMt ) 1259315;1441151395;mircea_popescu;you ask for that tx. it disconnects. 1259316;1441151416;mircea_popescu;i have a mile of logs showing the behaviour without exception. 1259317;1441151462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8366 @ 0.00068294 = 5.7135 BTC [+] 1259318;1441151497;*;kakobrekla for a second thought magick packet rebooted phuctor 1259319;1441151512;mircea_popescu;that's in next week's crop kako 1259320;1441151518;kakobrekla;heh 1259321;1441151604;mircea_popescu;and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items. 1259322;1441151767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00067926 = 3.0227 BTC [-] 1259323;1441151798;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1259324;1441151799;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 227.97, Best ask: 228.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 228.06, 24 hour volume: 9813.28330955, 24 hour low: 226.55, 24 hour high: 232.39, 24 hour vwap: None 1259325;1441151897;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu !! 1259326;1441151909;asciilifeform;glorious 1259327;1441151946;*;asciilifeform washes chopping block 1259328;1441151997;asciilifeform;if (nPos > ReceiveBufferSize()) { 1259329;1441151997;asciilifeform; if (!pnode->fDisconnect) 1259330;1441151997;asciilifeform; printf("socket recv flood control disconnect (%d bytes)\n", vRecv.size()); 1259331;1441151997;asciilifeform; pnode->CloseSocketDisconnect(); 1259332;1441151997;asciilifeform;} 1259333;1441152026;asciilifeform;dafuq was ~in~ that tx, mircea_popescu 1259334;1441152036;asciilifeform;10,000 microbitbet winningz ? 1259335;1441152060;kakobrekla;bitbet needs bigger blocks! 1259336;1441152082;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259321 << my point was that stack was trying to play tax games while having no financial meat on his bones, nowhere to run, no money for lawyering 1259337;1441152082;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 23:53:24; mircea_popescu: and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items. 1259338;1441152124;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a corp with zero income, tonnes of spending, no plausible reason for existence save tax shelter for a schmuck, and zero usg blessing (rather the opposite!) is just a request for gassing 1259339;1441152171;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259316 << mile of log with this happening on my node? or also elsewhere ? 1259340;1441152171;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 23:50:16; mircea_popescu: i have a mile of logs showing the behaviour without exception. 1259341;1441152255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope, it's tiny. single output 1259342;1441152291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on your node and each and every other node i know of. 1259343;1441152398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most spiffy 1259344;1441152404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/3N5DRSD 1259345;1441152405;assbot;dpaste: 3N5DRSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1FidVDV ) 1259346;1441152449;mircea_popescu;(to cuantify, i stopped counting at 500.) 1259347;1441152467;asciilifeform;continued in pm 1259348;1441152699;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/1M9M4KV.txt << l0l 1259349;1441152700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKuIFa ) 1259350;1441152789;asciilifeform;(grep output. looking at the actual log presently) 1259351;1441153367;asciilifeform;anyway, fwiw my node tries to send it. 1259352;1441153381;asciilifeform;and nothing about disconnects. 1259353;1441153387;asciilifeform;problem is on mircea_popescu's end. 1259354;1441153412;asciilifeform;(that is, his node hangs up.) 1259355;1441153780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16888 @ 0.00067926 = 11.4713 BTC [-] 1259356;1441153809;mircea_popescu;!gettrust VariaVarietatis 1259357;1441153811;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user VariaVarietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=VariaVarietatis | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/VariaVarietatis/ 1259358;1441153811;mats;http://www.pogo.org/blog/2015/08/army-must-pay-kbr-legal-expenses.html 1259359;1441153813;assbot;Army Ordered to Pay KBR’s Legal Expenses ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fihkmc ) 1259360;1441153878;mircea_popescu;no u! 1259361;1441153944;mircea_popescu;mats of course ? 1259362;1441153966;mircea_popescu;obv govt will try to wiggle out of its own promises, being the government of the united states that's at issue here. 1259363;1441153976;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, who the fuck do you think will ever work for them without indemnity ? 1259364;1441153981;mircea_popescu;they break the law. all the time. 1259365;1441154027;mats;whoa, whoa, such cynicism 1259366;1441154058;mircea_popescu;tis the truth. i personally wouldn't work with a rogue entity even if it promises "rly for srs" to cover my legal costs. 1259367;1441154063;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, suggestion is not intended as the correct solution. more like send kill -HUP -> system goes into an hour long snapshot state 1259368;1441154064;mircea_popescu;but then again other people are stupid 1259369;1441154096;mircea_popescu;(in kbr's case, it's not that they're stupid, it's that they were raped. the classic "we provide indemnity so now you may not not break the law as we tell you to" trick. "key is in your pocket" in legal parlance) 1259370;1441154112;mircea_popescu;!rate VariaVarietatis 1 Euloran 1259371;1441154112;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/530ce9b2ff3f37b9 1259372;1441154134;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.VariaVarietatis.1:f7aa6b3fcbc2ebb3075b180556394cded6a0dfe953805ad91bd3adaad4b9156a 1259373;1441154134;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for VariaVarietatis with note: Euloran 1259374;1441154275;mats;dunno about that. from intel i've gathered, it appears KBR did the raping here 1259375;1441154335;mats;raped DoD, orc locals, just finished raping USG in their own court 1259376;1441154345;mircea_popescu;yaya, im sure that's how it went. 1259377;1441154349;mircea_popescu;ceo mr goldstein 1259378;1441154523;mircea_popescu;the poor usg how it only wanted to restore peace and democracy to those poor iraquians, beleaguered by corrupt officials and tyrannycal despotism as they were, and then this capitalist concern of evil capital came and abused the entire good will of the people of usia and their elected representatives. 1259379;1441154527;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/world/middleeast/04electrocute.html << exemplary 1259380;1441154530;assbot;Despite Alert, Flawed Wiring Still Kills G.I.’s - New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiiUo4 ) 1259381;1441154530;mircea_popescu;what world we live in ;/ 1259382;1441154609;mats;FTR, i do actually believe that Bush et. al were naive enough to believe AFG/IRQ needed and wanted democracy 1259383;1441154674;mircea_popescu;that was then. 1259384;1441154720;mircea_popescu;meanwhile it's more like "we've been using temporary shelter in a permanent manner for the past decade and why is this insulation falling off" 1259385;1441154790;mircea_popescu;but in lighter news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/963cd7a4cbcf306dbbbba80e07570c27/tumblr_naxm4m6aEa1rwaupfo1_500.gif 1259386;1441154791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpThJJ ) 1259387;1441155570;funkenstein_;mats: 以夷治夷成依法意义, something like that? 1259388;1441158234;mats;funkenstein_: i am having difficulty finding the source of the idiom (and subsequently how it is properly written) but the second half does not parse 1259389;1441158434;mats;it may be that i remembered it incorrectly, i am only partially literate and recall the phrase from a translation of a ming text 1259390;1441158437;funkenstein_;thanks, that was just my guess 1259391;1441158674;mats;the phrase happens to predate 'yi yi zhi yi' 1259392;1441158945;*;mod6 has one of those summertime colds 1259393;1441159007;mircea_popescu;i got some sort of low cold too 1259394;1441159036;mod6;i've sneezed about 34 times today. 1259395;1441159053;mod6;and i'm running a fever now. annoying. 1259396;1441159133;mod6;(19:17) <+ben_vulpes> mod6 probably has his own as well. << mine is basically a by hand list. it really needs some attention/tlc. I gotta get something more structured. 1259397;1441159179;mod6;not sure if I wanna use trac or anything at this point.. but some cosideration is warrented for /something/ resonable for at least personal use. 1259398;1441159185;mod6;*consideration 1259399;1441159215;mod6;I'll add it to my to-do list ;] 1259400;1441159303;mod6;ima go and try to catch up on these logs and get some extra zzzs. have a good evening all! 1259401;1441159575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00068799 = 4.3343 BTC [+] 1259402;1441159941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61982 @ 0.00069495 = 43.0744 BTC [+] {8} 1259403;1441160062;deedbot-;[Trilema] Micul Botanist - http://trilema.com/2015/micul-botanist/ 1259404;1441160450;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259375 << they raped the u.s. ~taxpayer~. not to be confused with the stainless steel, quite unrapeable orifice of usg proper. 1259405;1441160450;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 00:38:55; mats: raped DoD, orc locals, just finished raping USG in their own court 1259406;1441160490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6018 @ 0.00069786 = 4.1997 BTC [+] 1259407;1441160490;asciilifeform;when it 'would not do' to lose a lawsuit, or so much as permit one to be heard, they invoke sovereign privilege and that's that. 1259408;1441160551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5587 @ 0.00068055 = 3.8022 BTC [-] 1259409;1441161771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00069705 = 3.9181 BTC [+] 1259410;1441161893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50484 @ 0.00069997 = 35.3373 BTC [+] {4} 1259411;1441165504;mats;it appears ru is now operating a combat outpost in syria 1259412;1441165552;asciilifeform;ru gotta churn inventory too, y'know 1259413;1441165607;mats;multiple folks report: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html and http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html 1259414;1441165609;assbot;Russia Puts Boots on the Ground in Syria - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSE ) 1259415;1441165609;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSG ) 1259416;1441165714;mats;however, rt denies jets have been sent in country https://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-russia-planes-isis 1259417;1441165714;assbot;'No Russian jets sent to Syria' - military source on 'expeditionary force' report — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vvg8p6 ) 1259418;1441165784;mats;a denial of any troop movements in country, in fact 1259419;1441165907;mats;how curious 1259420;1441166021;asciilifeform;mats: tastes great with the earlier orl0l from today 1259421;1441166052;asciilifeform;(the one concerning isis-as-junkyard-dog-of-usg hypothesis) 1259422;1441166249;mircea_popescu;ru denials are about as good as us denials. 1259423;1441166258;mircea_popescu;~=confirmation within a first approximation 1259424;1441166448;mats;I suspect daesh anticipated this play (not the first time its been used) and exploited USG willingness to aid 1259425;1441166464;mircea_popescu;possibru 1259426;1441166485;mats;I can't think of anyone capable of opposing them on the field 1259427;1441166496;mircea_popescu;the ru aren't infantry capable either. 1259428;1441166505;mircea_popescu;they got a good plane, which keeps the us in check. but infantry wise... 1259429;1441166506;mircea_popescu;heh. 1259430;1441166512;mircea_popescu;infantry is hard. 1259431;1441166562;mircea_popescu;they got 5-10k elite, and they're playing heroes of might and magic with them around the map. because even one lost is a horribru disaster. not replenishable. 1259432;1441166773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00069921 = 10.663 BTC [-] 1259433;1441166788;mats;I am considering how to word the terms of a bet regarding the fall of Baghdad in a year's time 1259434;1441166884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why not replenishable ? 1259435;1441166956;pete_dushenski;"The hockey stick told us that the recent warming period (1950 to 1998) was unusual in the last thousand years and that this sort of sudden warming had (supposedly) never happened before and that man’s CO2 emissions were (presumably) the cause." 1259436;1441166963;mats;got a suggestion? I'll lay out a couple coins for it 1259437;1441166976;pete_dushenski;"As noted above it was an extraordinary claim, yet it was accepted instantly without checking it. This had the effect of destroying the credibility of the IPCC and the previously respected publication Nature." 1259438;1441166995;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: and 'climategate' Unhappened, yes 1259439;1441167000;pete_dushenski;"Basically, Mann had mined many series of numbers looking for hockey stick shapes and gave each series that had the shape he wanted a much higher weight, up to a weighting factor of 392!" 1259440;1441167013;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: whisked under the rug. aha 1259441;1441167026;asciilifeform;btw that was orlov's lowest point, imho 1259442;1441167043;pete_dushenski;"Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. " 1259443;1441167044;asciilifeform;he wrote a piece ~literally~, i shit thee not, arguing that it Does Not Count Because Stolen 1259444;1441167065;asciilifeform;as in, seriously argued that no one must take the revelations into account 1259445;1441167070;asciilifeform;Because It Was Stolen 1259446;1441167123;pete_dushenski;sounds like judge who released mass murderer free and clear because cops obtained evidence poorly, only to have murderer continue spree 1259447;1441167159;asciilifeform;then he deleted the whole thing. 1259448;1441167187;pete_dushenski;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/28/a-detailed-review-of-the-book-a-disgrace-to-the-profession-by-mark-steyn/ << quoted 1259449;1441167191;assbot;A detailed review of the book: ‘A Disgrace to the Profession’, by Mark Steyn | Watts Up With That? ... ( http://bit.ly/1VviPqz ) 1259450;1441167235;asciilifeform;the climategate thing is why i do not credit mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: orlov being a minion of moscow. orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy 1259451;1441167251;asciilifeform;of climatocalypse, 'black lives', the whole shebang. 1259452;1441167261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16007 @ 0.00070008 = 11.2062 BTC [+] 1259453;1441167288;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: could also be flexible tether on leash 1259454;1441167306;asciilifeform;(incidentally, did anyone else notice how the recent 'police brutality' mediatronic kick began immediately after several sheriffs in usa openly declared intent to nullify federal laws ? 1259455;1441167308;asciilifeform;) 1259456;1441167338;asciilifeform;the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule. 1259457;1441167355;asciilifeform;and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. 1259458;1441167391;pete_dushenski;it's not clear to me that the fedcops are enjoying such a sterling reputation these days 1259459;1441167399;asciilifeform;they don't need to. 1259460;1441167403;pete_dushenski;no ? 1259461;1441167404;asciilifeform;just to fill the power vacuum 1259462;1441167415;asciilifeform;that will form when the local police are 'regulated' and then castrated. 1259463;1441167433;asciilifeform;then usa gets a 'guardia civil' like every other major industrialized country. 1259464;1441167441;pete_dushenski;bah. the more valuable chain wins. in whose eyes though, i can't say 1259465;1441167445;asciilifeform;unified under 'dhs' 1259466;1441167486;pete_dushenski;that sounds like the stage is set for cops v cops 1259467;1441167507;pete_dushenski;which, hey, is fine by me 1259468;1441167577;asciilifeform;for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone. 1259469;1441167605;asciilifeform;polizei from wisconsin will shoot floridians. from alaska, in california. 1259470;1441167644;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1259471;1441167662;Vexual;well then 1259472;1441167700;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the line-up to be a merc ~on us soil~ must be shallower than obama's veil of intelligence 1259473;1441167745;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what line-up. employees follow orders in usa. 1259474;1441167776;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: just like su conscripts happily massacred rioting factory workers. and it was hushed up well enough that even westerners are surprised to be told about it (incidents in 1960s) 1259475;1441167820;pete_dushenski;back when hushing up was possible, sure. 1259476;1441167826;pete_dushenski;now : digital age 1259477;1441167857;asciilifeform;works better than ever. 1259478;1441167863;asciilifeform;via folks giving less of a shit than ever. 1259479;1441167865;asciilifeform;about anything. 1259480;1441167893;asciilifeform;and there being fewer ~people~ in the genuine sense of the word, than ever, to give said shit. 1259481;1441167901;pete_dushenski;except people who actually give a shit have never had better tools at their disposal 1259482;1441167911;pete_dushenski;doesn't take many 1259483;1441167920;pete_dushenski;in fact, it takes fewer than ever before 1259484;1441168629;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: Novocherkassk massacre (there is some material in engl.) 1259485;1441168801;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSlnOv8R4Kg 1259486;1441168933;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.redplenty.com/Red_Plenty/Logic.html << apparently this, too, exists in english. 1259487;1441168934;assbot;Logic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxbvDp ) 1259488;1441168934;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1259489;1441168974;asciilifeform;'...in 1969 a disastrous decision was taken to standardise all production on clones of the IBM 360 series, half a decade old before the effort to reverse-engineer it even began, which would ensure that ever after the Soviet industry was doomed to obsolescence, and to feeble belated imitations of foreign technology. This, taken from Boris Malinovskys Pioneers of Soviet Computing, is the conversation that killed the industry. 1259490;1441168974;asciilifeform; Its 18th December 1969; the scene is Minradioprom, the Ministry for Radio Production...' 1259491;1441168981;asciilifeform;^ as seen in ancient logz. 1259492;1441169094;Vexual;havy 1259493;1441169165;Vexual;one eyed fuckin beasts 1259494;1441169286;Vexual;for hanbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLk0jtUenY 1259495;1441169337;Vexual;recycling stuff for a purpose 1259496;1441171306;pete_dushenski;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33994947 1259497;1441171308;assbot;Black pitmasters left out of US barbecue boom - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExuznZ ) 1259498;1441171723;BingoBoingo;Oh, I come back from the baseball game and asciilifeform has some leads for me to qntra mebbe 1259499;1441171865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not replenishable because the natural rate of decay through aging is negative. ie, su shittifies like everything. if in 2000 it could produce 0.0001% of population, in 2020 it can produce only 0.0000965%. as population itself declines, the natural size of the thing shrinks. 10k in 2000, 9972 in 2001 etc. 1259500;1441171877;mircea_popescu;think in terms of "talented soccer players" or anything else, it's the exact same story. 1259501;1441171889;mircea_popescu;"progress" means, smaller contingents of anything useful as time goes by. 1259502;1441171947;mircea_popescu; "Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. " <<< this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. "race relations", "gender issues", you name it. 1259503;1441171977;mircea_popescu;a tiny group of second rate twerps THAT KNOW they're second rate band together, and because the world is so sick on this "everyone's equal" jizz, they can't be repressed effectually. 1259504;1441171990;BingoBoingo;Also my team was playing one of asciilifeform's local teams. Washington DC lost. 1259505;1441172003;mircea_popescu; then he deleted the whole thing. << the truly damning part. 1259506;1441172027;mircea_popescu; orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze. 1259507;1441172083;mircea_popescu; and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more. 1259508;1441172085;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259211 << St Louis in its northern parts got radiotracers sprayed around 1259509;1441172085;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 22:14:20; ascii_field: iirc san fran. 1259510;1441172294;mircea_popescu;"Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. " 1259511;1441172296;mircea_popescu;fucking noobs. 1259512;1441172317;*;mircea_popescu would have enjoyed working with stalin on soviet computing 1259513;1441172578;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259510 << mastering, l0l. almost certainly a mistranslation from освоение 1259514;1441172578;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 05:38:14; mircea_popescu: "Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. " 1259515;1441172584;asciilifeform;which is not the same thing at all 1259516;1441172589;asciilifeform;'to make one's own' 1259517;1441172609;asciilifeform;rather, 'to make [subject] one's own' 1259518;1441172740;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259506 << there are, for practical purposes, two 'moscows' - the harvardized one and the actual one. 1259519;1441172740;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 05:33:47; mircea_popescu: orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze. 1259520;1441172776;asciilifeform;whether they will ever be cut apart, or die together, i do not know. 1259521;1441172837;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259507 << pretty much nobody else is showing any symptoms of having an idea as to ~what~ they are buying into. 1259522;1441172837;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 05:34:43; mircea_popescu: and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more. 1259523;1441172849;asciilifeform;imho it is this. 1259524;1441172865;asciilifeform;the dhs camps. 1259525;1441173532;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259321 << IRS treats expenditure optimization frequently the same as "structuring" and other not crimes that are somehow crimes. 1259526;1441173532;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 23:53:24; mircea_popescu: and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items. 1259527;1441173884;BingoBoingo;Also apparently matheney still has a job http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439 1259528;1441173884;assbot;Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job. 1259529;1441174650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform putin's fighting hard with himself to stay away the harvoscow. 1259530;1441174750;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo makes 0 sense to me, seeing how you already paid tax on it, but then again i don;t live there 1259531;1441174792;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's part of the US department of words really don't mean anything anymore 1259532;1441174813;mircea_popescu;in that sense might as well just endorse your paycheck to obama and forgetdaboutit 1259533;1441174823;mircea_popescu;i guess that's what half the country tis doing anyway so...myeahk 1259534;1441174829;BingoBoingo;What paycheck? 1259535;1441174844;mircea_popescu;right. 1259536;1441174916;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally it occurs to me - one theory that'd very well fit the soviet ibm insanity would be, "the captive thief". ie, a guy so enamoured with the idea that "this calculator is hot (ie, stolen)" that he'll gladly expend $1500 to get a shitty pocket calculator, instead of $1100 to get a 10x as powerful desktop. 1259537;1441174922;mircea_popescu;IF ITS STOLEN ITS +EV!!11 1259538;1441174972;mircea_popescu;"despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked. 1259539;1441175037;mircea_popescu;in "random news from stupid island" : xmacro is pretty much the only workable linux keyboard/mouse emulator. 1259540;1441175052;mircea_popescu;it arbitrarily decided to round all delays to the integer second. 1259541;1441175063;mircea_popescu;"who could ever conceivably want microsecond delays!!11" 1259542;1441175072;punkman;tried ahk? 1259543;1441175135;mircea_popescu;"AutoHotkey: macro and automation Windows scripting language" ? 1259544;1441175153;punkman;this http://ahkscript.org/ 1259545;1441175154;assbot;AutoHotkey ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7CYQE ) 1259546;1441175181;punkman;hmm, guess I misremember as working on linux 1259547;1441175185;mircea_popescu;"AutoHotkey (AHK) is a free, open-source macro-creation and automation software for Windows that allows users to automate repetitive tasks." 1259548;1441175199;mircea_popescu;http://ahkscript.org/download/ahk-install.exe 1259549;1441175205;mircea_popescu;holy shit omfg. 1259550;1441175215;mircea_popescu;i forgot this world exists where "download" = "here's a binary" 1259551;1441175278;punkman;that's what most linux distros do, no? 1259552;1441175338;mircea_popescu;notrly. well... 1259553;1441175340;mircea_popescu;i guess huh. 1259554;1441175358;punkman;just because it's called apt-get install doesn't mean it's any different 1259555;1441175362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as part of the perennial hate of ru in ro, "Shura-Bura" is how you say "utter nonsense" 1259556;1441175381;mircea_popescu;it's called V! 1259557;1441177386;deedbot-;[Qntra] Drone Update - http://qntra.net/2015/09/drone-update/ 1259558;1441177616;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guarantee you 90% of campus drone usage is to take shower pic of the 3 not-obese females per campus. 1259559;1441177629;BingoBoingo;Almsot certainly 1259560;1441177666;mircea_popescu;sane uni admin would just hire a few dozen models to walk around the campus nude all day. 1259561;1441177677;mircea_popescu;cheaper than any initiative to retain athletes they could come up with 1259562;1441177702;BingoBoingo;Really that's what seperates "good" and "bad" schools nowadays 1259563;1441177721;mircea_popescu;and one for shinohai http://41.media.tumblr.com/959e6b9f2c9f13855f0f1d700942a945/tumblr_nlok0dIxiE1r5rcpjo1_1280.jpg 1259564;1441177723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqVcgl ) 1259565;1441178106;fluffypony;I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones 1259566;1441178116;fluffypony;and there's no way I'm spying on anyone's shower 1259567;1441178136;fluffypony;I'd get WAY better shots from a DSLR with a telephoto zoom lens 1259568;1441178207;mats;BingoBoingo: re: bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin some corrections: '... damning VC behind the [reins]', some commas here: 'Goldman Sachs, purely fiat institution, is a majority shareholder of Moneygram, a cash ...' 1259569;1441178231;mats;er: 'a purely fiat' 1259570;1441178286;BingoBoingo;mats: fixed, I think 1259571;1441178411;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259268 << gotta let them work for it 1259572;1441178411;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 23:10:57; trinque: tax avoidance is a foolish move if you're dealing in their currency 1259573;1441178783;mats;I think some care should be taken to minimize passive voice usage in future pieces 1259574;1441178798;punkman;fluffypony: big lens is too expensive, better get a small telescope 1259575;1441178831;*;punkman definitely spent more time looking at windows than space 1259576;1441178973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069908 = 6.4315 BTC [-] {2} 1259577;1441179066;fluffypony;lol 1259578;1441179644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00069863 = 7.8945 BTC [-] {3} 1259579;1441179799;punkman;oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks 1259580;1441180082;BingoBoingo;http://www.twincities.com/statefair/ci_28734408/bill-cosby-portrait-rapeseed-pulled-from-state-fair 1259581;1441180083;assbot;Bill Cosby portrait in 'rapeseed' pulled from State Fair - TwinCities.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTiDzU ) 1259582;1441181086;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259563 <<< well that certainly was nice to wake up to. 1259583;1441181086;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 07:08:41; mircea_popescu: and one for shinohai http://41.media.tumblr.com/959e6b9f2c9f13855f0f1d700942a945/tumblr_nlok0dIxiE1r5rcpjo1_1280.jpg 1259584;1441181511;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259141 <<< obviously the telegraph obstructs the viewer from seeing the gun in his other hand 1259585;1441181511;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 21:19:51; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting 1259586;1441181842;punkman;http://watchdog.org/235283/purdue-student-loan-investment/ 1259587;1441181843;assbot;Purdue's new student loan program literally invests in their students - Watchdog.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1fUA0BY ) 1259588;1441181860;punkman;"Beginning in 2016, University President Mitch Daniels wants to allow private investors to invest in the success of Purdue students using a new financial model: Income Share Agreements (ISA)." 1259589;1441181990;pete_dushenski;^sounds like williamdunne's scheme from a few months back 1259590;1441182080;punkman;I worked on a project that involved predicting future student income for such purposes couple years back. 1259591;1441182094;punkman;seems pretty hopeless 1259592;1441182138;pete_dushenski;how did your project work ? 1259593;1441182432;punkman;something like: get average salary stats for (degree, company, job title etc), match those up to resumes, pretend like derp getting degree matches the model 1259594;1441182508;pete_dushenski;strange. 1259595;1441182609;shinohai;Best description of Ryan X Charles EVAH: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3j79li/inside_the_movement_to_build_a_bitcoinpowered/cuni67s 1259596;1441182611;assbot;scienceabhorsyou comments on Inside the Movement to Build a Bitcoin-Powered Reddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLmnB8 ) 1259597;1441182674;pete_dushenski;lel 1259598;1441183185;cazalla;pete_dushenski, you snipped? (circumcision questions got the better of my curiosity tbh) 1259599;1441183237;cazalla;or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin? 1259600;1441183963;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259565 <<< 36x zoom to go along with the night vision and camo eh? 1259601;1441183963;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 07:15:06; fluffypony: I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones 1259602;1441183975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00069839 = 4.1205 BTC [-] 1259603;1441184341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10103 @ 0.00069822 = 7.0541 BTC [-] {3} 1259604;1441184373;cazalla;http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/8782/daniel-craig-interview/ "What does it say, too, that Bond is a fantasy figure for a Britain that no longer exists, an Imperial warrior who satisfies the rest of our vicarious appetites no longer as easily fulfilled as they once were to travel to exotic locations, execute the natives and then have sex with their women?" 1259605;1441184374;assbot;Daniel Craig Is Esquire's October Cover Star - Esquire ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9A0wr ) 1259606;1441184483;fluffypony;cazalla: I work with wildlife fire and rescue and the local anti-poaching groups 1259607;1441184489;fluffypony;so it's for that 1259608;1441188016;mircea_popescu; oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks << aha. and for all the pretense of the swiss from 20 years ago, 2015 800mm chinese lens beats 1985 zeiss lens. 1259609;1441188043;punkman;not true in my experience 1259610;1441188116;mircea_popescu; seems pretty hopeless << actually some derpy "artists" were airing this nonsensical scheme a few years ago. it basically reduces to "isn't it unfair that only some 6/7 chicks get to pretend like they're artists on daddy's dime ? why shouldn't i have a daddy like that!" 1259611;1441188133;mircea_popescu;it went nowhere. but i guess if the govt gets involved it'll be a great success. 1259612;1441188204;mircea_popescu;punkman how do you measure ? 1259613;1441188324;punkman;mircea_popescu: certainly modern lenses did get better, but the cheap chinese lenses on ebay are rarely better than cheap vintage glass 1259614;1441188354;punkman;I have not measured other than casual use of them 1259615;1441188356;mircea_popescu;dollar for dollar or how do you match ? 1259616;1441188377;mircea_popescu;obviously cheapest that can be had today is worse than most expensive that could be had 30 years ago. 1259617;1441188590;punkman;you can't really get anything but "cheapest" from china these days 1259618;1441188639;mircea_popescu;heh. yeap, imperial policy since forever. 1259619;1441188654;punkman;there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way 1259620;1441189151;*;shinohai loves Soviet vaccum tubes in his guitar amp. 1259621;1441190329;punkman;on an interesting note, Zeiss was a pioneer in lithography optics for chip manufacturing 1259622;1441190433;mircea_popescu;pretty much owned optics 100 years ago, moreso than the us or china own computing. 1259623;1441190437;mircea_popescu;and yet... 1259624;1441190732;mircea_popescu;"Tolstoy begins by saying that throughout life Shakespeare has aroused in him "an irresistible repulsion and tedium". Conscious that the opinion of the civilized world is against him, he has made one attempt after another on Shakespeare's works, reading and re-reading them in Russian, English and German; but "I invariably underwent the same feelings; repulsion, weariness and bewilderment". Now, at the age of seventy-fi 1259625;1441190733;mircea_popescu;ve, he has once again re-read the entire works of Shakespeare, including the historical plays, and I have felt with an even greater force, the same feelingsthis time, however, not of bewilderment, but of firm, indubitable conviction that the unquestionable glory of a great genius which Shakespeare enjoys, and which compels writers of our time to imitate him and readers and spectators to discover in him non-existent 1259626;1441190733;mircea_popescu;meritsthereby distorting their aesthetic and ethical understandingis a great evil, as is every untruth." 1259627;1441190739;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha. who the fuck is tolstoy again. 1259628;1441191945;kakobrekla; Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones. 1259629;1441192103;shinohai;ik kakobrekla sometimes Chinese vendors try to sell fake Sovtek's xD 1259630;1441192233;shinohai;I use EL-84's and this price is hard to beat: https://www.tubedepot.com/products/sovtek-el84-power-vacuum-tube 1259631;1441192235;assbot;Sovtek EL84 Power Vacuum Tube| TubeDepot.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ihLxx1 ) 1259632;1441192242;kakobrekla;i suspekt there is more fake ones than real one on the market 1259633;1441193166;punkman;kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones. << they even bother to make fake capacitors 1259634;1441193210;kakobrekla;the chinese on the other hand, go as 'low' as faking the current tube production lines. 1259635;1441193227;kakobrekla;chinese faking chinese. 1259636;1441194528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30769 @ 0.00070017 = 21.5435 BTC [+] {3} 1259637;1441194791;davout;!up gill3s 1259638;1441194863;shinohai;Epic haiku this am davout 1259639;1441194876;davout;shinohai: it's not mine 1259640;1441194882;davout;i just stole it 1259641;1441194888;davout;but it indeed is fucking epic 1259642;1441194922;shinohai;lol was funny at any rate. 1259643;1441194930;davout;let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan 1259644;1441194942;davout;reassuring words 1259645;1441194947;davout;with eerie robot cadence 1259646;1441194951;davout;hi i'm roger ver 1259647;1441194990;shinohai;Got to run that through espeak just once. 1259648;1441195109;punkman;!up ffmad 1259649;1441195126;davout;oh god, i'm attratcting teh french 1259650;1441195129;kakobrekla;if im seeing this right, network is still being spammed ? 1259651;1441195257;davout;kakobrekla: what reddit says, might be true, my transactions are going through fine though 1259652;1441195274;davout;with .001 fees 1259653;1441195294;kakobrekla;yup, its incoming thats troublesome 1259654;1441195306;kakobrekla;apparently im dealing with derps. 1259655;1441195344;davout;said every single serious bitcoin professional at least a few times a year 1259656;1441195376;kakobrekla;heh 1259657;1441195664;shinohai;Haiku preserved in sound: https://transfer.sh/o9QQN/haiku.wav 1259658;1441195666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7iBD ) 1259659;1441195845;davout;shinohai: amazing 1259660;1441195845;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1259661;1441195973;shinohai;Without espeak, trolling others would be far less fun. 1259662;1441196247;kakobrekla;http://www.coindesk.com/15-year-old-developer-ethereum-whit-jackson/ < eth, powered by 15year olds 1259663;1441196248;assbot;15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn ) 1259664;1441196288;shinohai;lol I was discussing w/ someone the other day hw he is going for that Gavin look in that article. 1259665;1441196333;shinohai;Because the last "young genius" we got out of Ethereum was so talented, especially in the field of security. 1259666;1441196607;fluffypony;what's that phrase Vitalik is so fond of 1259667;1441196608;fluffypony;oh yes 1259668;1441196611;fluffypony;"weak subjectivity" 1259669;1441196635;fluffypony;which is code for "decentralised and secure, but only in the weakest possible sense of the phrase" 1259670;1441196732;shinohai;^ 1259671;1441196787;fluffypony;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitpay-calls-industry-form-bitcoin-association-1518066 1259672;1441196789;assbot;BitPay calls on industry to form 'Bitcoin Association' ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCoZJ ) 1259673;1441196846;fluffypony;What's in a name? that which we call a Foundation 1259674;1441196846;fluffypony;By any other name would smell as rotten; 1259675;1441196893;shinohai;Didn't take me long to find that fluffypony: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/25/proof-stake-learned-love-weak-subjectivity/ 1259676;1441196895;assbot;Proof of Stake: How I Learned to Love Weak Subjectivity - Ethereum Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCBfl ) 1259677;1441196928;fluffypony;shinohai: I know, I sometimes read that blog post when I've feeling down and I need to laugh at something 1259678;1441196936;shinohai;LOLZ 1259679;1441196945;davout;fluffypony: i've recently joined #bitcoinxt for that purpose 1259680;1441196951;fluffypony;lol 1259681;1441196975;davout;they apparently want to admit that "my crowd is behind the XT DDoS" 1259682;1441196991;fluffypony;your crowd? 1259683;1441196994;davout;"aren't you guys based in russia or something, bulgaria wherever it is?" 1259684;1441196998;fluffypony;like you had a Kickstarter for it? 1259685;1441197030;davout;they clarified with "the mpex crowd specifically" 1259686;1441197039;fluffypony;https://i.imgur.com/iobJtA1.jpg 1259687;1441197040;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCXCJ ) 1259688;1441197117;shinohai;Anduck is in there, kek. 1259689;1441197179;davout;fluffypony: nice one 1259690;1441197236;shinohai;I like that though, "Aren't yu guys based in russia or something"? 1259691;1441197245;davout;bulgaria 1259692;1441197263;shinohai;No, iz GLORIOUS NATION of Kazakhstan 1259693;1441197323;shinohai;Hue, I wish I had been there. "Yeah. Aren't you guys based in Mom's basement?" 1259694;1441197342;davout;i invited the guy over and told him that he'd be fine (unless he's a jew of course) 1259695;1441197395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069958 = 4.8971 BTC [-] 1259696;1441197516;shinohai;The scene from that movies where they stay with the older Jewish couple is probably one of the funniest goddamned things I have ever seen. 1259697;1441197520;mircea_popescu;un-circus sized jew is still ok 1259698;1441197742;davout;obligatory we-should-stop-with-the-racist-jokes.jpg 1259699;1441197815;mircea_popescu;fat can't race. 1259700;1441197965;shinohai;https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11954809_973086012714068_2373148260900113673_n.jpg?oh=059fbff019b05203971a2d17294049da&oe=56605E42 1259701;1441197967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9hWA ) 1259702;1441198540;punkman;http://buffettfaq.com/ 1259703;1441198543;assbot;Buffett FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNac9B ) 1259704;1441198683;davout;there's a problem when your faq has 463 questions listed 1259705;1441199648;funkenstein_;from punkman's link "The good thing about business is that you dont have to know any higher math. It may be an advantage not to know it. [CM: Yes, it is. If you know it, you feel the need to use it.] " 1259706;1441199788;funkenstein_;lol at Tolstoy quote, thanks :) 1259707;1441200018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069813 = 20.5599 BTC [-] {3} 1259708;1441200356;mircea_popescu;!up rombou 1259709;1441200499;funkenstein_;as I haven't reread any Tolstoy in German or Russian, I must withhold comment 1259710;1441200631;mircea_popescu;certainly a better novelist than literary critic / sociophilosopher / w/e he fancied himself. 1259711;1441200688;mircea_popescu;"Soon after I arrived at Crossgates (not immediately, but after a week or two, just when I seemed to be settling into routine of school life) I began wetting my bed. I was now aged eight, so that this was a reversion to a habit which I must have grown out of at least four years earlier. 1259712;1441200688;mircea_popescu;Nowadays, I believe, bed-wetting in such circumstances is taken for granted. It is a normal reaction in children who have been removed from their homes to a strange place. In those days, however, it was looked on as a disgusting crime which the child committed on purpose and for which the proper cure was a beating." 1259713;1441200697;mircea_popescu;see alf, the crumbling of the empire starts in the craddle. 1259714;1441200723;mircea_popescu;pissantry is "a normal reaction"!11 1259715;1441200727;mircea_popescu;the pissants have come to expect 1259716;1441200994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00069958 = 2.3086 BTC [+] 1259717;1441201634;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'. 1259718;1441201634;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 06:22:52; mircea_popescu: "despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked. 1259719;1441201682;asciilifeform;(just like in su of the period) 1259720;1441201803;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << cock-chopping was forbidden in su. 1259721;1441201803;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin? 1259722;1441201908;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259619 << after 1945 zeiss was shipped wholesale - complete with all equipment, and enslaved staff - to su, and put to work there 1259723;1441201908;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 10:10:54; punkman: there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way 1259724;1441201945;asciilifeform;there is still a 'zeiss' in germany, but it is not the pre-'45 one 1259725;1441202050;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259628 << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head) 1259726;1441202050;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 11:05:45; kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones. 1259727;1441202143;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259643 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#365844 1259728;1441202143;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 11:55:30; davout: let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan 1259729;1441202143;assbot;Logged on 02-11-2013 00:07:12; asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!" 1259730;1441202185;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIV-QdPEx-Q << obligatory 1259731;1441202186;assbot;Kazakhstan You Very Nice Place - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nab8Vk ) 1259732;1441202319;asciilifeform;strike that 1259733;1441202323;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRu6Tn9N_7g << CORRECT clip 1259734;1441202324;assbot;Borat (2006) - Credits (Full Kazakhstan anthem videoclip) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NabtHC ) 1259735;1441202470;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259715 << how else. 1259736;1441202470;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 13:32:07; mircea_popescu: the pissants have come to expect 1259737;1441202788;punkman;also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 1259738;1441202789;assbot;Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 ) 1259739;1441202805;asciilifeform;^ famous 1259740;1441202824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2013 @ 0.00069812 = 1.4053 BTC [-] 1259741;1441202922;punkman;http://www.refugees-welcome.net/ 1259742;1441202923;assbot;Refugees Welcome | This is the international website of the berlin-based project ‘Flüchtlinge Willkommen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacZJZ ) 1259743;1441202968;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259725 < the art of tube making died with the people who made them. 1259744;1441202968;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 13:54:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259628 << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head) 1259745;1441202989;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you may be surprised to learn that it is not dead. ru still makes. 1259746;1441202999;asciilifeform;on same equipment as in '80s and prior. 1259747;1441203011;asciilifeform;but go and find them in your lands, aha. 1259748;1441203020;punkman;yes and the derps buy it from the one ru factory and rebrand it 50 different ways 1259749;1441203025;asciilifeform;best bet - 'ebay', old su stock. 1259750;1441203060;kakobrekla;often fake. 1259751;1441203097;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you got a convincing fake ?! 1259752;1441203108;asciilifeform;or just a pile of rocks in an old su cardboard box 1259753;1441203130;kakobrekla;convincing fake = looks same on pic as original ? 1259754;1441203144;asciilifeform;looks similar, sorta works, the lot. 1259755;1441203148;thestringpuller;wind 23 1259756;1441203150;kakobrekla;but entirely different beast inside 1259757;1441203155;asciilifeform;ah 1259758;1441203178;kakobrekla;starting off with poor vacuum. 1259759;1441203232;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-06-2015#1166006 << see thread, even 1259760;1441203232;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:35; asciilifeform: i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump. 1259761;1441203240;shinohai;I tried the Chinese tubes, but seems they don't like the slightest amount of overheating. 1259762;1441203251;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/business/worldbusiness/16cheat.html?pagewanted=all 1259763;1441203254;assbot;From Russia, With Dread - New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NadL9Q ) 1259764;1441203306;asciilifeform;^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods 1259765;1441203372;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-12-2014#949583 1259766;1441203372;assbot;Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so. 1259767;1441203395;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2014#949585 1259768;1441203395;assbot;Logged on 10-12-2014 00:52:56; asciilifeform: the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd 1259769;1441203426;punkman;asciilifeform: who's the arsonist? 1259770;1441203429;asciilifeform;usg 1259771;1441203490;kakobrekla;http://www.jacmusic.com/nos/images/Fakes/index.htm here is a few examples of fakes, but this covers only a small portion of the picture 1259772;1441203491;assbot;FAKE TUBES LIKE ECC803S and others ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8x3cF ) 1259773;1441203533;asciilifeform;lulzy! even nazi tubes faked 1259774;1441203543;kakobrekla;indeed 1259775;1441203604;asciilifeform;the photo at the end is priceless 1259776;1441203610;kakobrekla;aha :) 1259777;1441203758;shinohai;bwahahahaha "tube shredder" 1259778;1441203948;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i often wonder why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#602974 did not catch on 1259779;1441203948;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2014 22:18:37; asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass 1259780;1441203978;asciilifeform;and from the earlier link, 1259781;1441203990;asciilifeform;'In the hulking pile of brick wrapped in pipes and smokestacks that is the building, most of the employees are women. Dressed in blue robes and hair nets, they join together delicate bundles of wire, wafers of rare metal and glass bulbs with fingers trained by years of work. "No man would want to make a tube," Lyudmila V. Afanasieva, 54, said, nimbly sliding wires into a glass cylinder. She worked on the same tube model when i 1259782;1441203990;asciilifeform;t went into nuclear submarines that prowled off the coast of the United States.' 1259783;1441204037;kakobrekla;heh yeah no pump, still needs vacuum 1259784;1441204094;asciilifeform;i wonder if the fake folks skip the diffusion pump 1259785;1441204142;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDvF89Bh27Y < whole production line at a show 1259786;1441204142;assbot;Mullard - The Blackburn Vacuum Tubes Factory (Full) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NafPyB ) 1259787;1441204366;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw << ~the~ mega-film re: tubemaking. 1259788;1441204366;assbot;Hand Made Vacuum Tubes by Claude Paillard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8AQGW ) 1259789;1441204372;asciilifeform;linked here on several occasions, iirc. 1259790;1441204382;asciilifeform;from scrap to tube. 1259791;1441204386;kakobrekla;aha yeah saw that one. 1259792;1441204416;kakobrekla;early production gz34 tubes from mullard blackburn facotry go for 500 to 1k 1259793;1441204424;kakobrekla;used ones 1259794;1441204424;asciilifeform;why?? 1259795;1441204428;kakobrekla;people. 1259796;1441204434;asciilifeform;because voodoo? 1259797;1441204441;kakobrekla;and magicks. 1259798;1441204453;asciilifeform;same 'people' who put green paint on cd to 'improve sound', and buy $50k cabling ? 1259799;1441204454;punkman;"audiophiles" 1259800;1441204538;kakobrekla;dunno, i havent tested that particular one myself. 1259801;1441204568;kakobrekla;they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs + 1259802;1441204771;asciilifeform;see, when i heard of 'fake tubes', my first thought was something like an old burned-out one but with some chinese semiconductor strange in the plastic base, to emulate a working tube. 1259803;1441204842;asciilifeform;now ~that~ would be hilarious. 1259804;1441204886;asciilifeform;wonder how many audiophiliacs could tell the difference between a fifty-cent emulator (yes, it needs to eat the high supply voltages, but this is not hard) and the original. 1259805;1441204931;asciilifeform;possibly using burned tube would not work on account of the filament failing to glow red 1259806;1441204946;asciilifeform;but it is considerably easier to fake 'glows' than 'amplifies' 1259807;1441204959;kakobrekla;you can hear the difference between solid state rectifier and tube rectifier over youtube. 1259808;1441204970;asciilifeform;no shit 1259809;1441204976;asciilifeform;but no one is ~trying~ to emulate 1259810;1441205027;asciilifeform;and didja say rectifier ?! what, direct current from a mercury beast is more direct somehow than from my lab power supply ? 1259811;1441205046;kakobrekla;tube sags 1259812;1441205052;kakobrekla;other stuff also. 1259813;1441205053;asciilifeform;so emulate the sag. 1259814;1441205059;asciilifeform;what, no one cared to do this ? 1259815;1441205097;kakobrekla;they emulate the package but not the full elect characteristics 1259816;1441205135;kakobrekla;(can insert ss rectifier in tube socket, it will not sound like tube) 1259817;1441205137;asciilifeform;my guess is that it is not actually so difficult, but no one has invested in genuinely trying, for the elementary reason that the green-magicmarker crowd will never buy it 1259818;1441205154;kakobrekla;brb 1259819;1441205271;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. << I was under the impression gamergate happened because d00d published blog about ex-gf cheating on him who works in games. That's at least what personally brought my attention to it. 1259820;1441205528;punkman;lulzy http://www.wingedc.com/ 1259821;1441205529;assbot;Winged C ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8GeK3 ) 1259822;1441206236;shinohai;http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/couple-who-quit-jobs-to-travel-the-world-now-broke-scrubbing-toilets-1.3211621 <<< also lulzy 1259823;1441206236;assbot;Couple who quit jobs to travel the world end up scrubbing toilets for pay - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBo8k7 ) 1259824;1441207091;kakobrekla;> Paymium Raises 1 Million Euros < o hey congrats 1259825;1441207095;kakobrekla;davout 1259826;1441207407;kakobrekla;>BitFury Completes 16NM Bitcoin Mining ASIC Tape-Out 1259827;1441207582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00069812 = 6.9575 BTC [-] 1259828;1441207643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40550 @ 0.0007008 = 28.4174 BTC [+] {5} 1259829;1441208192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.0007025 = 29.2943 BTC [+] {5} 1259830;1441208537;shinohai;I see coinbase is expanding to Canada and ingapore. Gotta have eyes all over I guess. 1259831;1441208547;shinohai;*Singapore 1259832;1441209476;shinohai;https://twitter.com/hyperactivelumi/status/639094976777953280 1259833;1441209567;mike_c;coinbase is pretty global by now. they're up to 27 countries 1259834;1441209808;shinohai;I guess I misunderstand economics. The shittier your service is and moar closely aligned with usg interests, the moar successful it becomes. 1259835;1441209961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38190 @ 0.00070291 = 26.8441 BTC [+] {3} 1259836;1441210001;williamdunne;mike_c: closer to 18 IMO 1259837;1441210074;mike_c;because some of them aren't really countries or because the service isn't really available? 1259838;1441210476;jurov;mod6 i had "summertime cold" worse every year. it turned out it's actually an allergy 1259839;1441211128;mod6;ahh, i've never had allergies. but.. maybe i guess. feel much better today :] 1259840;1441211510;williamdunne;mike_c: Sorry I meant 16. And because for a whole bunch of the countries they process euros not the national currency 1259841;1441211523;mike_c;ah 1259842;1441211595;williamdunne;Bulgaria 1259843;1441211595;williamdunne;Croatia 1259844;1441211595;williamdunne;Czech Republic 1259845;1441211595;williamdunne;Denmark 1259846;1441211595;williamdunne;Hungary 1259847;1441211595;williamdunne;Norway 1259848;1441211595;williamdunne;Poland 1259849;1441211596;williamdunne;Romania 1259850;1441211596;williamdunne;Sweden 1259851;1441211597;williamdunne;Switzerland 1259852;1441211597;williamdunne;United Kingdom 1259853;1441211603;punkman;http://tooltrainer.com/blog/paypal-does-not-know-how-to-detect-fraud/ 1259854;1441211606;assbot;» Paypal does not know how to detect fraud. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLl3xF ) 1259855;1441211651;williamdunne;1% fee + 0-10euro SEPA fee + 0.5-3% currency conversion fee 1259856;1441211979;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259857;1441211996;ascii_field;'I expected PayPal would have my back and worst case, the whole transaction would be reversed and nobody would be out anything.' << gold 1259858;1441212019;ascii_field;'Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected PayPal to accept screenshots from the seller, as proof of anything.' 1259859;1441212046;williamdunne;For example at my bank it would cost me 1%, 13 euro, 4% currency conversion fee. But that's because UK banks are particularly terrible with SEPA 1259860;1441212053;ascii_field;also the keeper of that www has paste-polluting js and needs to be strung up with piano wire. 1259861;1441212059;punkman;"I know this is too good to be true but I'll try anyway" 1259862;1441212118;punkman;I wonder if anyone has sold ebay.com on ebay 1259863;1441213189;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what, they're 104's - 'connection reset by peer.' your end hangs up. 1259864;1441213189;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1259865;1441214556;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259866;1441214561;ascii_field;BingoBoingo et al: http://fusion.net/story/191544/wikipedia-editors-just-banned-381-accounts-over-a-huge-fraud-and-extortion-scandal 1259867;1441214562;assbot;Wikipedia editors just banned 381 accounts over a huge fraud and extortion scandal | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaG3B2 ) 1259868;1441214928;ascii_field;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody/Articles << lulzy 1259869;1441214928;assbot;Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Orangemoody/Articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz0f1L ) 1259870;1441214963;ascii_field;'In this specific case, however, in order to prevent article subjects from continued shakedowns by bad actors who are causing significant harm to the reputation of this project, the articles are all being deleted. It is important to break the cycle of payment demands, and to make it clear that the Wikipedia community, and not a small group of paid editor accounts, controls the content of this project. This mass deletion 1259871;1441214964;ascii_field;is without prejudice to recreation by experienced Wikipedians who believe that the subject is sufficiently notable for an article. We emphasize again that all indications are that the editing was not solicited by the article subjects.' 1259872;1441215025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00069497 = 9.7991 BTC [-] 1259873;1441215071;shinohai;http://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-anchor-sues-hasbro-over-toy-hamster-151935145.html <<< I will not say anything racist, I will not say anything racist .... 1259874;1441215073;assbot;Fox News anchor sues Hasbro over toy hamster with her name - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz0QAJ ) 1259875;1441215452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20851 @ 0.00069702 = 14.5336 BTC [+] {3} 1259876;1441215730;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-02/to-nab-traders-prosecutors-hit-ctrl-f-for-suspicious-acronyms 1259877;1441215733;assbot;Don't Use These Lame Acronyms If You Don't Want to Get Nabbed by the Feds - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaJ2tc ) 1259878;1441215744;punkman;"“Taking a conversation offline provides evidence of intent because if you’re trying to cover your tracks, you probably know what you’re doing is wrong,”" 1259879;1441215795;ascii_field;punkman: tastes ~great~ with a balanced diet of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1247446 1259880;1441215795;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 21:04:08; ascii_field: 'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the case. That evidenc 1259881;1441215811;punkman;aha 1259882;1441215826;ascii_field;'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold 1259883;1441215875;ascii_field;'“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.' 1259884;1441215881;ascii_field;now if only crypto and stego had been invented 1259885;1441215901;ascii_field;but customers'd never have accepted ! (tm) (r) 1259886;1441216537;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259887;1441216540;ascii_field;http://media.tumblr.com/2c69c43d85ce073364d32c8149febb56/tumblr_inline_muxp1yuB9v1qbdp2h.jpg 1259888;1441216541;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz8c7d ) 1259889;1441216550;ascii_field;http://media.tumblr.com/1169b9e24354444816f315a6b6968943/tumblr_inline_muxp5mgbJY1qbdp2h.jpg 1259890;1441216551;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz8eMm ) 1259891;1441216554;ascii_field;(with above) 1259892;1441216667;kakobrekla;win 1259893;1441216746;ascii_field;http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/37750/does-a-commercially-available-self-destructing-hdd-set-in-bios-exist << unrelated mega-l0l 1259894;1441216748;assbot;hardware - Does a commercially available self destructing HDD (set in BIOS) exist? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaLKyY ) 1259895;1441216757;ascii_field;grep for 'no need' even. 1259896;1441216772;ascii_field;there is always, always a shitgnome 'you don't need this, move along' commenter. 1259897;1441217102;BingoBoingo;https://36.media.tumblr.com/ce942adcdac180943d87d8855e5978bb/tumblr_nu1lacYPxV1u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg 1259898;1441217103;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzazH9 ) 1259899;1441217404;mike_c;http://mic.com/articles/107370/13-absurd-reasons-men-use-to-defend-their-right-to-spread-their-legs-on-the-subway 1259900;1441217405;assbot;13 Absurd Reasons "Manspreaders" Use to Defend Their Right to Spread on the Subway - Mic ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzbQOi ) 1259901;1441217409;mike_c;those all seem legit to me 1259902;1441217438;mike_c;"Because I got balls to take care of." nuff said. 1259903;1441217472;BingoBoingo;indeed 1259904;1441217722;punkman;http://qz.com/472143/no-one-is-paying-attention-to-latin-americas-child-bride-problem/ 1259905;1441217723;assbot;The world isn’t paying enough attention to Latin America’s child-bride problem - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzde3G ) 1259906;1441217754;punkman;the world doesn't know how the world works 1259907;1441217801;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258664 << see also. 1259908;1441217801;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 18:25:13; mircea_popescu: the fact that most of the world agrees girls can marry once they can walk, that doesn't count. 1259909;1441218664;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1259910;1441218751;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_082015.txt.asc 1259911;1441218754;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1259912;1441219127;shinohai;"I'm hoping at this point he muses about it equally ineffectively for the rest of the year." LOLZ 1259913;1441219173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00070294 = 4.4988 BTC [+] 1259914;1441220214;deedbot-;[Qntra] Wikipedia Bans Hundreds of Accounts Over Alleged Paid Editing - http://qntra.net/2015/09/wikipedia-bans-hundreds-of-accounts-over-alleged-paid-editing/ 1259915;1441220574;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1259916;1441221505;trinque; not seeing much about Russia in Syria aside from on Zero Hedge, InfoWars, etc 1259917;1441221613;trinque;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html << can anyone familiar with Israeli news comment on the bullshit factor of this site? 1259918;1441221614;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSG ) 1259919;1441222209;trinque;emacs is a giant complex piece of shit. changed nothing, upgraded nothing, yet it hangs at startup 1259920;1441222229;ascii_field;trinque: emacs --debug-init 1259921;1441222259;trinque;doesn't seem to be crapping debug info to either the terminal who launched or the emacs window 1259922;1441222284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00070364 = 9.077 BTC [+] {3} 1259923;1441222299;ascii_field;remove .emacs-bufflst, .emacs-places, and, as last resort, remove (after backing up) .emacs 1259924;1441222375;trinque;yeah starts right up without the init.el; I'll have to hack things out and see where it's hanging 1259925;1441222406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0006965 = 37.9941 BTC [-] {3} 1259926;1441222468;trinque;vi init.el # the sadness... 1259927;1441223167;mod6;:D 1259928;1441223287;jurov;requires nano ~/.vimrc first 1259929;1441223420;mod6;haha 1259930;1441223543;trinque;:'''( 1259931;1441223555;trinque;my beautiful unix sandcastle 1259932;1441223684;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258861 << there are some who don't? 1259933;1441223684;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 19:24:26; shinohai: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/watch-florida-pastor-says-women-should-greet-their-husbands-looking-spiffed-up-with-a-hot-meal-waiting/ XD 1259934;1441223725;shinohai;We can't all have Stepford wives. 1259935;1441223745;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259936;1441223748;ascii_field;BingoBoingo et al: http://www.popsci.com/san-jose-considers-license-plate-readers-garbage-trucks 1259937;1441223748;assbot;Page Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBXzdw ) 1259938;1441223772;ben_vulpes;shinohai: cascadian witch 1259939;1441223789;ben_vulpes;incantations and built in furniture 1259940;1441223791;BingoBoingo;ty ascii_field 1259941;1441223866;ascii_field;and mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-abusing-dmca-to-put-genie-back-in-the-bottle-eff-says 1259942;1441223868;assbot;Ashley Madison abusing DMCA “to put genie back in the bottle,” EFF says | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBXNkF ) 1259943;1441224064;shinohai;I like your idea better ben_vulpes. Wife implies marriage and I sure as hell have had my lifetime dose of that. 1259944;1441224232;mats;is there any way to look at the active mpoe order book (ie, the way 'mpexbot' used to spit 'em out with '$depth ')? 1259945;1441224646;mats;nvm, available at http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php 1259946;1441224647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnJsAx ) 1259947;1441224663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00069497 = 11.745 BTC [-] 1259948;1441224717;mats;kakobrekla: if you would parse that with assbot as 'empyex' and 'mpexbot' are nao defunct i'd be grateful 1259949;1441224835;kakobrekla;!mp book 1259950;1441224836;assbot;http://dpaste.com/2WAKNE6.txt 1259951;1441224837;kakobrekla;!mp ticker 1259952;1441224837;assbot;http://dpaste.com/2PPPFYG.txt 1259953;1441225520;mats;could i prevail upon you to present that in a human readable manner? 1259954;1441225600;punkman;kakobrekla: I think that means XML instead of json 1259955;1441225618;kakobrekla;lol 1259956;1441225651;kakobrekla;how do you want it so its not spammin chan? 1259957;1441225853;mats;its ok with me if it only works in privmsg 1259958;1441225962;kakobrekla;mebbe later 1259959;1441226200;deedbot-;[Qntra] Silicon Valley City Contemplates Surveillance Equipment on Garbage Trucks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/silicon-valley-city-contemplates-surveillance-equipment-on-garbage-trucks/ 1259960;1441226237;BingoBoingo; how do you want it so its not spammin chan? << stream as bz2 compressed xml 1259961;1441226282;kakobrekla;you mean JBIG2? 1259962;1441226297;punkman;JBIG2 and send it through snapchat 1259963;1441226368;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: sure, prolly also base256 encode the output 1259964;1441226429;kakobrekla;hm, binary coded decimals would be easier to humanparse. 1259965;1441226489;BingoBoingo;beautiful 1259966;1441226508;mats;BingoBoingo: related, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-decide-to-collect-less-license-plate-data-after-80gb-drive-got-full 1259967;1441226509;assbot;Cops decide to collect less license plate data after 80GB drive got full | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhEFQe ) 1259968;1441226536;BingoBoingo;mats: Saw that, could be disinfo 1259969;1441226547;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1259970;1441226557;ascii_field;poor backwoods cops 1259971;1441226563;ascii_field;fed disks don't get full. 1259972;1441226585;ascii_field;see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259456 1259973;1441226585;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule. 1259974;1441226712;mats;i dunno that the feds could even find folks qualified and willing to do a job like that 1259975;1441226724;ascii_field;what means 'qualified' ? 1259976;1441226738;ascii_field;as for 'willing', no shortage of dea/fbi/dhs/etc. goons today 1259977;1441226742;mats;americans are fat as fuck, barely anyone these days can pass a BMI evaluation and run 2mi in reasonable time 1259978;1441226765;ascii_field;no shortage of 19 y.o. not fat yet. 1259979;1441226770;ascii_field;and eager to kill something. 1259980;1441226796;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/recruits-ineligibility-tests-the-military-1403909945 1259981;1441226797;assbot;Recruits' Ineligibility Tests the Military - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKOwD6 ) 1259982;1441226818;mats;>71% do not qualify for service 1259983;1441226903;ascii_field;if they need to recruit mexicans in exchange for citizenship (roman-style) they will 1259984;1441226910;mats;lol 1259985;1441226917;mats;mexicans are even fatter, man 1259986;1441226926;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259468 << bonus 1259987;1441226926;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 04:19:37; asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone. 1259988;1441227038;ascii_field;anyway the 'too fat' thing is utterly irrelevant. they don't need to recruit million men for roman legion. but a few thousand for polizei duty - wacoing defenseless people, machine-gunning women and children, setting up public gallows, the lot 1259989;1441227088;ascii_field;and how athletic does a man need to be to fly a robot bomber ? 1259990;1441227150;ascii_field;see thread also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-03-2015#1072977 1259991;1441227150;assbot;Logged on 26-03-2015 20:43:53; asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture 1259992;1441227166;mats;waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa 1259993;1441227192;ascii_field;whether the 'higher tech north kr' thing is 'practicable' or not, it will be tried. ~is~ being tried. 1259994;1441227211;mats;the population hardly breaks a sweat killing a hundred feds a year in current form, plenty of poor excitable people that'd love to multiply that number 10^4 1259995;1441227225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27141 @ 0.00068813 = 18.6765 BTC [-] {4} 1259996;1441227227;ascii_field;mats: hardly defenseless ?! what were they supposed to do, with their pea-shooters, against tanks and planes ? 1259997;1441227252;ascii_field;mats: that number comes from throats cut of informants, stoolies, lone agents on the roadside 1259998;1441227279;ascii_field;i bet many times more of'em die in traffic. 1259999;1441227369;ascii_field;also 'high tech north kr' is often misunderstood concept. there is normally no need for usg to shoot anyone. instead they will cancel your food-and-rent card. 1260000;1441227475;mats;shoot heads and emplace ieds? breaching a building is hard, you know. 1260001;1441227492;ascii_field;so they sit outside and wait for everyone inside to starve. 1260002;1441227496;mats;obviously you'll get trampled either way, but this is far short of defenseless 1260003;1441227503;ascii_field;works just as great today as in 500 b.c. 1260004;1441227580;ascii_field;'emplace ied' works when you have ten million sympathetic natives for partizans to hide among, be fed and clothed by 1260005;1441227605;ascii_field;or at least a red army 500km away dropping occasional supplies 1260006;1441227636;punkman;surely there are 10 million natives 1260007;1441227643;mats;but when its not just 'waco' folks but a poor populace, suddenly its field offices being seiged by randoms, not 'waco' 1260008;1441227668;mats;svbieds make big bang. 1260009;1441227671;ascii_field;mats: problem is that no one in usa is so poor that he is indifferent to whether the lights stay on and the toilet flushes 1260010;1441227684;ascii_field;things that go away first of all when ied becomes a daily matter 1260011;1441227710;ascii_field;as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1259296 1260012;1441227710;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 23:30:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259224 << afghan doesn't rely on food trucks, flush toilet, or mains wiring. fragile things. 1260013;1441227747;ascii_field;unlike the turd world, in usa the poor folks are the first and instant loosers in any breakdown of civilization 1260014;1441227757;mats;iraq does, to an extent. and yet isis finds bulldozers, scrap metal for diy armor, and fertilizer for container vans readily enough 1260015;1441227764;ascii_field;(ted turner on his ranch doesn't give a fuck if the city burns) 1260016;1441227788;ascii_field;iraq was nicely massaged into the bronze age by usg. 1260017;1441227797;ascii_field;a necessary prerequisite to this kind of thing. 1260018;1441227927;mats;perhaps we both see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear 1260019;1441227957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.0006872 = 28.4501 BTC [-] {4} 1260020;1441227958;jurov;novorussians were expected to rely on light and flush toilets, too 1260021;1441227969;mats;i got a coin for you if this theory pans out 1260022;1441227992;ascii_field;jurov: ru infrastructure was considerably less fragile. yet it, too, deteriorated. 1260023;1441228031;ascii_field;for instance, incidents of folks falling into soft earth around leaking steam pipes, and boiling to death (along with any would-be rescuers) were a regular thing 1260024;1441228071;ascii_field;in usa, there are things you wouldn't believe. the sewer lines are often run up hill, with pumping stations buried underground. 1260025;1441228085;ascii_field;no mains current - no drain. 1260026;1441228100;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735021 << old thread. 1260027;1441228100;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2014 04:21:13; asciilifeform: that's a 'lift station.' normally sewer is operated by gravity. but often, for reasons of cost, a pipe will be laid uphill. 1260028;1441228230;ascii_field;the basic reason why no one is voluntarily turning usa into iraq, regardless of usg abuses, is something like the english saying 'people in glass houses do not throw stones' 1260029;1441228290;ascii_field;the other detail is probably demographic - iraq median age, according to usg, is ~20; usa - ~40 ! 1260030;1441228382;ascii_field;emma goldman supposedly said 'if i can't dance, i want nothing to do with your revolution' 1260031;1441228390;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1260032;1441228410;ascii_field;well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise. 1260033;1441228647;funkenstein_;re: waco, it's hard to get more helpless than kids trapped in buried school bus 1260034;1441228758;funkenstein_;for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/ 1260035;1441228761;assbot;Confirmation Tianjin was Nuked | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNdWoS ) 1260036;1441228842;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260032 <<< probably why no one ever goes camping with me. At all. 1260037;1441228842;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 21:13:30; ascii_field: well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise. 1260038;1441228892;ascii_field;camping is a sport, there is neither the permanence of the situation nor the hordes of crazed sheeple and their more-cannibalistic upper crust 1260039;1441228965;shinohai;I love my tech, don't get me wrong. But a few nights in the desert or mountains does wonders for clearing away the clutter amongst the little grey bits. 1260040;1441228986;ascii_field;shinohai: this is like comparing jumping from plane with and without parachute. 1260041;1441228994;ascii_field;ALMOST same activity, aha 1260042;1441229011;shinohai;-__- 1260043;1441229378;ben_vulpes;regarding that ancient optimization of expenditures thread, in america the ceo will have to report his place of residence if purchased/rented by the company as income, correct asciilifeform, mircea_popescu? 1260044;1441229440;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: if title is in company's name, the income - theoretically - is only the market value of leasing the property 1260045;1441229450;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes of course he will. 1260046;1441229453;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: but more generally, you don't get to play tax games in usa if you are small change. 1260047;1441229460;mircea_popescu;of course you do. 1260048;1441229488;mircea_popescu;and hi erryone! 1260049;1441229560;shinohai;wb 1260050;1441229689;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for what it's worth, dc swears up and down and has under grilling for the past coupla days that, in its own english, "By the way, our admin monitors said that no unplanned reboots were not." 1260051;1441229723;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: log in and see for yourself. 1260052;1441229733;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i do not know why the man lied. 1260053;1441229739;mircea_popescu;jus' sayin. 1260054;1441229764;ascii_field;ftr i didn't expect him to say anything but precisely this 1260055;1441229782;ascii_field;what, thought he would confess, 'gnomes ordered me to pull the cord' ? 1260056;1441229817;mircea_popescu;mno. 1260057;1441229821;ascii_field;oh and is the man in wot ? 'cause i got a very special gift for him, if he is.. 1260058;1441229852;*;mircea_popescu is too lazy to log etc, but... did he also helpfully edit the history ? 1260059;1441229865;ascii_field;not as of this morning 1260060;1441229885;ascii_field;and afaik only we have the legit login to the box 1260061;1441229916;ascii_field;so it would have had to be via backdoor installed when disk was removed, during power off 1260062;1441229926;ascii_field;but no, logs are consistent with yanked mains. 1260063;1441229937;ascii_field;each and every time since the first one at end of may 1260064;1441229957;mircea_popescu;maybe they got bombed. 1260065;1441229961;*;mircea_popescu is at heart a romatic 1260066;1441229969;ascii_field;aha that was my first thought 1260067;1441229984;ascii_field;but bombed every day, and the frag never hits diametric's box, only mine. 1260068;1441229986;BingoBoingo;Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa 1260069;1441229987;assbot;Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNgkvG ) 1260070;1441229988;assbot;Showing results for http://qntra.net - Nu Html Checker ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNgkvK ) 1260071;1441230046;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo when you're done with that i got a bit of malbolge needs reversing. 1260072;1441230128;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Now that monero is off the table, may have time for that. Just trying to shave a few unecessary bytes here and there out of the Qntra 1260073;1441230134;mircea_popescu;in other news, from #eulora : What is the best way to buy and hold a little bit of btc so I can buy copper from jurov ? 1260074;1441230146;mircea_popescu;S.MG, drivin' that BTC adoption to the moons! 1260075;1441230234;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1260076;1441230253;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i will have you know that i combed ~5GB of packet dump and found not a trace of your magic tx. 1260077;1441230332;ascii_field;which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end 1260078;1441230344;mircea_popescu;ascii_field thanks. alrighty, leave this for now until i can have something more sensible to say from this end. 1260079;1441230381;ascii_field;this drew my attention to the asinine tcp socket handling in therealbitcoin 1260080;1441230390;ascii_field;what the fuck is sender-side flood control for ?!! 1260081;1441230419;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't have it tho. 1260082;1441230430;ascii_field;don't have what ? 1260083;1441230440;mircea_popescu;sender side flow control. in the bitcoin. 1260084;1441230459;mircea_popescu;atm the explanations are, bad tcp/ip implementation on the machine running it in a very subtle way, or some issue in the firewalls downstream 1260085;1441230464;mircea_popescu;someone SOMEWHERE is sending a RST 1260086;1441230492;mircea_popescu;as you can imagine, both glorious timewasters. 1260087;1441230496;ascii_field;the error msg most closely corresponds to the line in therealbitcoin linked last night. but i do not know what mircea_popescu has there, and won't know unless he shares the snippet. so it gets left here. 1260088;1441230519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00068275 = 15.8091 BTC [-] {3} 1260089;1441230562;ascii_field;incidentally, sending a spurious rst is time-honoured mega-classic tool for isp diddling of 'undesirable' pipe 1260090;1441230564;*;mircea_popescu curses the poor, informal quality of his own previous approach to the problem V solves 1260091;1441230573;ascii_field;l0l 1260092;1441230597;mircea_popescu;dude what do you want from me ;/ i had nfi what to do with things. 1260093;1441230605;ascii_field;lemme guess, sitting on a disk with 100 versions of mircea_popescucoin ? 1260094;1441230661;mircea_popescu;not quite, but the "what does this knob do" investigations are starting to run into human memory failures. 1260095;1441230678;mircea_popescu;incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex. 1260096;1441230701;mircea_popescu;i have a running mmorpg that's simpler. gimme a fucking break. bitcoin is not part of the os-mmorpg-bitcoin trinity. 1260097;1441230742;shinohai;Here's a guy who WAS good enough to sling dope, but now isn't: https://redd.it/3jd3kf 1260098;1441230744;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC8vaS ) 1260099;1441230826;mircea_popescu;"Imagine you get pulled over for speeding once and they smell the meth or weed then search your shit, your fucked." 1260100;1441230844;mircea_popescu;is reddit anything more than usg employees talking to spammers ? 1260101;1441230846;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to be. 1260102;1441230891;shinohai;xD 1260103;1441230909;shinohai;That whole subreddit is comedy gold. 1260104;1441230943;mircea_popescu;also in that line, http://trilema.com/2015/so-what-of-the-future/#comment-115214 1260105;1441230944;assbot;So, what of the future ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC8FPF ) 1260106;1441230979;jurov;mircea_popescu: you don't forget you also run a boiler room 1260107;1441231021;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1260108;1441231030;jurov;were my yest mpex problems substantiated anyhow? 1260109;1441231084;mircea_popescu;well inasmuch as you made some irc comments, no. i did look to see if your balance had magically vanished, which it had not. 1260110;1441231169;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260095 << this was what i thought, too, and that is why i strapped it to a table and started cutting pieces off 1260111;1441231169;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 21:51:18; mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex. 1260112;1441231170;jurov;isee.. still putting it slowly together 1260113;1441231200;mircea_popescu;jurov lemme know in your own time, i'll be around. 1260114;1441231295;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: concerning the RSTs: know that it is not difficult for these to be sent via spoofed packet 1260115;1441231298;ascii_field;esp in 'orc' world 1260116;1441231330;ascii_field;that would be a pretty lulzy way to screw with bitcoin folks, wouldnnit 1260117;1441231372;mircea_popescu;mhm 1260118;1441231392;mircea_popescu;the only reasonable conclusion here, from an outside eye, is that too much complexity is the problem. throughout. 1260119;1441231395;mircea_popescu;we need simpler shit. 1260120;1441231404;ascii_field;this is indisputable. 1260121;1441231424;mircea_popescu;i think a lot of computing continued unchecked on a paradigm of "mom, look what ~I~ can do!!11" 1260122;1441231432;*;ascii_field was informed, by a phriend, regarding ~why~ orc world often willingly routes blatantly spoofed packetz. it is uncommon, outside of usa and eu, for network peers to specify whether they are transit peering or just peering. and thereby cannot readily distinguish spoofed vs not. 1260123;1441231432;mircea_popescu;lost souls still following it to this day. 1260124;1441231436;mircea_popescu;but it's fundamentally retared. 1260125;1441231477;mircea_popescu;it should be "mom, look what i don't need to do. chief among which, i don't need to go "mom, look what ican do."" 1260126;1441231482;ascii_field;it is retarded. but sane folks, when haunted by the danger of 'wanna standardize things, have good engineering! here comes microshit, with standardz!' chose the retardation. 1260127;1441231510;mircea_popescu;the notion that good engineering = standards, by the way, is a specific bit of fucktardation not unlike "good flying machines have moving parts". 1260128;1441231518;mircea_popescu;fuck you. that's not how this works. 1260129;1441231527;mircea_popescu;i get it, your only experience with movement comes from observing nature. 1260130;1441231533;mircea_popescu;doesn't make you less of an idiot. 1260131;1441231559;mircea_popescu;but as far as software, and computer programming generally, standards are actually the proof positive engineering failed. 1260132;1441231578;ascii_field;wai wat 1260133;1441231589;ascii_field;engineering failed when standard, e.g., screw pitches appeared ?! 1260134;1441231592;ascii_field;it is when it ~began~ 1260135;1441231599;mircea_popescu;no, no. 1260136;1441231606;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ever read a math "technical manual" ? 1260137;1441231615;mircea_popescu;"this is the standards of derivation work". 1260138;1441231619;ascii_field;maths folks have the luxury of inescapable truths 1260139;1441231631;ascii_field;engineers have to pick screw size. 1260140;1441231632;mircea_popescu;"we are the best practices body for functional analysis" 1260141;1441231635;ascii_field;packet format. etc 1260142;1441231659;ascii_field;incidentally there ~was~ a time when mathematical notations duked it out (newton's, if you recall, lost) 1260143;1441231672;mircea_popescu;the things they have to pick in nature ARE AN IMPOSITION OF NATURE. the reason you need to pick screw sizes is because "your screw" shares its physical attributes with a different item of the same shape in the same place. 1260144;1441231677;ascii_field;or, more recently, quaternions lost to matrices 1260145;1441231683;mircea_popescu;this is not a matter of notation. 1260146;1441231709;ascii_field;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << my attempt at enumerating 'what standards' 1260147;1441231711;assbot;Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2NPAC ) 1260148;1441231748;mircea_popescu;there is clearly a problem here. ideal objects (such as software) are not comensurate with physical objects. this attempt to "engineer programs like screws" was a reasonable first hack at the novel an dunexpected problem, 1260149;1441231749;ascii_field;(note that i would not write this piece today, in the same way; not sure if type 5 exists in real life at all) 1260150;1441231754;mircea_popescu;but imo it's quickly running out of steam 1260151;1441231774;ascii_field;i kinda ran with the idea, here http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 1260152;1441231775;assbot;Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX ) 1260153;1441231776;mircea_popescu;yes, it's true that irl if i misplace the screw and then sit on it it'll puncture my ass. 1260154;1441231836;mircea_popescu; it is when it ~began~ << yes, and engineering in "making real objects" sense is exactly that. but from this it does not follow that the same everywhere! 1260155;1441231837;ascii_field;they are 'like screws' in the sense that two programs can only communicate if some provision for this was foreseen 1260156;1441231856;mircea_popescu;it still doesn't follow that you should treat them like a nut and a bolt. 1260157;1441231885;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if anything, there is ~less~ slack than with any physical screw 1260158;1441231912;ascii_field;precisely ~because~ program is an ideal object, it is so unforgiving. 1260159;1441231919;mircea_popescu;so i'll condense this yet vague and uncoallesced and thus impractical notion in my head by saying : that a body of standards is where engineering starts with physical objects ; and the proof engineering failed with ideal objects. 1260160;1441231946;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think that's an undefined result of an out of domain operation you're choosing to interpret a certain way. 1260161;1441231949;ascii_field;i wrote more or less this, long ago, in a different formulation : 1260162;1441231964;mircea_popescu;like, ask engineer "what's the result of dividing apple by orange ?" "zero" sort of thing 1260163;1441231967;ascii_field;'if there appears to be more than one way to solve programmatic problem, your priors are crap' 1260164;1441231972;mircea_popescu;aha! 1260165;1441231988;mircea_popescu;myeah, they are off the same core. 1260166;1441232014;ascii_field;just like there is not, rightfully, more than one correct way to subtract 1 from an integer of a known size. 1260167;1441232020;mircea_popescu;exactly this is at issue. what "competing language spaces" for crying out loud. explain to me the "competition" to be had between waveform and heisenberg notation already. 1260168;1441232024;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1260169;1441232058;mircea_popescu;tbh the standard is : if you want to make a "new language" and you don't have written code that transforms WITHOUT ERROR all other programs in all other languages to yours, you do not have a lnaguage. 1260170;1441232088;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field ` 1260171;1441232099;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the above is kinda why i laugh at all the non-sexpr languages. 1260172;1441232162;ascii_field;bbl 1260173;1441232165;mircea_popescu;ascii_field see basically, standard AS A THING even exist because 1260174;1441232166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24731 @ 0.00067788 = 16.7647 BTC [-] {3} 1260175;1441232185;mircea_popescu;there was the need to interpose an ideal layer between actual items and human industry. 1260176;1441232212;mircea_popescu;which then had to interface with reality, and the whole subject of "ecology" is essentially trying to deal with one particular suite of bugs in this interfacing. which, incidentally, we know on good authority will NEVER be perfect. 1260177;1441232262;mircea_popescu;but then to go on the strength of this and interpose "an ideal layer" between ideal objects an human industry is simply runaway complexity. because zero one infinity, once you got two you got an infinity and in practice everyone seems to end up trying to juggle an ever-approaching infinity number of balls. 1260178;1441232302;mircea_popescu;the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it. 1260179;1441232358;mircea_popescu;this stupidraven has come back to roost, where brainfried derps without a working interposed ideal layer are claiming the ideal object they fail to interfacr with is "really a real object nao". 1260180;1441232366;mircea_popescu;which, lord have mercy. 1260181;1441232532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00069632 = 17.3384 BTC [+] {3} 1260182;1441232592;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259717 << >> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_C 1260183;1441232592;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 13:47:14; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'. 1260184;1441232592;assbot;Felix C - Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCalsm ) 1260185;1441232866;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/pentagon-watches-as-chinese-navy-ships-sail-in-bering-sea-1441216258 1260186;1441232868;assbot;Five Chinese Navy Ships Are Operating in Bering Sea Off Alaska Coast - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaADT ) 1260187;1441232898;jurov;http://www.historiepocitacu.cz/samocinny-pocitac-sapo.html likewise 1260188;1441232899;assbot;Samočinný počítač SAPO | Historie počítačů v Československu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaCM4 ) 1260189;1441232947;jurov;(relay computer cuz vacuum tubes were hard to get, with built in fault tolerance) 1260190;1441232980;mats;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/1/putin-seeks-dump-dollar-regional-trade/ 1260191;1441232981;assbot;Vladimir Putin seeks to dump the dollar in regional trade - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaJHj ) 1260192;1441233480;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << i'm not, as it happens, though this is definitely the exception, at least at the 'reform' level (most secular) and in this part of the world. credit goes to my completely secular father for wanting to give me an alibi. y'know. just in case. 1260193;1441233480;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin? 1260194;1441233578;mircea_popescu;ahaha crazy. 1260195;1441233589;pete_dushenski;a cord, which, yes, i would pull if needed. there are better causes to die for. better causes to be a martyr for. 1260196;1441233622;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude. by the time being romanian's a crime in itself i have very little interest left in doing anything but killing people indiscriminately. 1260197;1441233629;mircea_popescu;what better cause ? 1260198;1441233655;pete_dushenski;there's that too 1260199;1441233749;pete_dushenski;which makes one wonder why ~more~ americans aren't killing people indiscriminately. 1260200;1441233758;mats;lol, dong inspection as proof of jewry 1260201;1441233759;mircea_popescu;plenty are huh. 1260202;1441233767;pete_dushenski;given : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/crime-of-being-american.jpg 1260203;1441233769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCbPmD ) 1260204;1441233776;mircea_popescu;mats you are perhaps too young to remember, but this is STILL DONE 1260205;1441233778;mircea_popescu;to the pope. 1260206;1441233798;mats;the indignity of an old cardinal inspecting your cock. 1260207;1441233810;pete_dushenski;dignity ! (tm) 1260208;1441233813;mircea_popescu;by the time yoiu're that old, more women held your cock to pee than to suck it anyway 1260209;1441233831;mircea_popescu;i would guess pope's used to it. 1260210;1441233895;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/judge-missouri-right-to-farm-doesn-t-cover-marijuana/article_eba50d05-6bc4-562f-8251-e79ad766e736.html 1260211;1441233904;mircea_popescu;brought to you by the "she's a whore anyway, what rape" department of legal thinking. 1260212;1441233950;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: 'right to farm' recalls 'right to repair' (cars) 1260213;1441233972;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Last election cycle it joined the Missouri state consitution's bill of rights 1260214;1441234004;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how exactly can judge go "wait it doesn't include x" ? 1260215;1441234007;pete_dushenski;to which vw/audi famously responded "ok fuck you amerikans zen, ve vill not pahblish ze manuels for AYNEEBODY" 1260216;1441234010;mircea_popescu;who specifically asked him. 1260217;1441234012;pete_dushenski;not even their own dealers 1260218;1441234025;pete_dushenski;so dealers would look at obd-ii codes and have nfi what they meant 1260219;1441234031;pete_dushenski;only learning through trial and error 1260220;1441234120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00070084 = 14.7527 BTC [+] {3} 1260221;1441234188;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because words don't mean anything in 'Murica 1260222;1441234204;mircea_popescu;"missouri constitution includes right to farm - this right doesn't include any actual activities ftr" 1260223;1441234206;mircea_popescu;da fuck 1260224;1441234286;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259720 << whole tradition there, starting with those dudes that cut off their sexual organs altogether. 1260225;1441234286;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 13:50:03; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << cock-chopping was forbidden in su. 1260226;1441234303;shinohai;So people in Missouri are basically just serfs. 1260227;1441234314;BingoBoingo;Well, in all of USia 1260228;1441234346;shinohai;Well, in a *broad* sense yes. 1260229;1441234431;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259882 <--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SWaGfkPxA 1260230;1441234431;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 17:43:46; ascii_field: 'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold 1260231;1441234432;assbot;The Confrontation - Les Misérables - 10th Anniversary Concert - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCcYKT ) 1260232;1441234448;pete_dushenski;^javert v. valjean 1260233;1441234459;pete_dushenski;no one better than colm wilkinson as valjean 1260234;1441234510;pete_dushenski;wilkinson is a total rockstar 1260235;1441234530;*;pete_dushenski swoons, ever so slightly, ever so noticeably 1260236;1441234557;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, next year's crop of "evasion technisuke crrrrreativity" will be rot13 1260237;1441234568;mircea_popescu;this s/fon/phone/ substitit is so last century 1260238;1441234623;pete_dushenski;lol we'll be installing r0t0linux soon 1260239;1441234677;BingoBoingo;and USeA4tR Fr33BDSM 1260240;1441234794;shinohai;Another fine example of DNM lulz: The throwaway account TOTALLY makes me invisible. https://redd.it/3jdsm8 1260241;1441234795;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnZdrb ) 1260242;1441234888;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259966 << but gavin said storage was phree ! 1260243;1441234888;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 20:41:48; mats: BingoBoingo: related, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-decide-to-collect-less-license-plate-data-after-80gb-drive-got-full 1260244;1441234890;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259764 << that is a bizarre interpretation. 1260245;1441234890;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 14:15:06; asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods 1260246;1441234920;pete_dushenski;also, alf should send usgavin invoice for beefier bandwidth line. because 'bitcoin needs business services nao' 1260247;1441235091;pete_dushenski;;;later tell jurov any daily update for coinbr ? inquiring minds and all that 1260248;1441235092;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1260249;1441235180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259801 << therein lies the answer. 10 cents an hour (and it will be an hour of a top dollar recording studio, charging 1k an hour or some shit for use) is perfectly reasonable. 1260250;1441235180;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 14:36:08; kakobrekla: they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs + 1260251;1441235196;mircea_popescu;if the alternative costs $19 but breaks down once a day, the 1k one is cheaper. 1260252;1441235390;mircea_popescu;"UPDATE! PayPal has reversed their decision!" was the best part. 1260253;1441235477;mircea_popescu;"Now I happen to have a large enough domain portfolio that I have my own personal rep at Godaddy" 1260254;1441235479;shinohai;!rated pete_dushenski 1260255;1441235479;assbot;You have not rated pete_dushenski. 1260256;1441235480;*;mircea_popescu loses interest. 1260257;1441235483;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260034 << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ? 1260258;1441235483;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 21:19:18; funkenstein_: for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/ 1260259;1441235491;shinohai;!rate pete_dushenski 1 Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs. 1260260;1441235491;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e4a05820650770bb 1260261;1441235539;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.pete_dushenski.1:da8a7593454219e9202301e85f30fa13fa6578f82140f30e805bd03d632c2280 1260262;1441235539;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for pete_dushenski with note: Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs. 1260263;1441235543;pete_dushenski;shinohai: you have other favourites ?! what is this, democristan where you can dabble a bit here and a bit there and figure that all's well ?!! 1260264;1441235545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259866 << this obviously being the only remaining value in that shithole : that soccer moms and aging clerks think "hey, it's in wikipedia" does something. 1260265;1441235545;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 17:22:41; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://fusion.net/story/191544/wikipedia-editors-just-banned-381-accounts-over-a-huge-fraud-and-extortion-scandal 1260266;1441235586;*;mircea_popescu is glad to see the downward spiral activated, will welcome a world with that excrement pile relegated to its proper corner. 1260267;1441235591;shinohai;I can't just read contravex alone. I read constantly. 1260268;1441235642;pete_dushenski;that's a point, i don't even have 5 years of archives in an obscure latin language for you to toil in until the end of your days 1260269;1441235652;pete_dushenski;unlike... 1260270;1441235685;shinohai;I have yet to find a decent bitcoin-related blog in Spanish. 1260271;1441235738;mircea_popescu;i have yet to find anything intellectually stimulating in spanish. the thing's incredibly dead, last noteworthy anything happened apparently in the 1800s 1260272;1441235774;pete_dushenski;shinohai: because as stupid as english-speakers are today, this hasn't always been the case. whereas spanish, as mircea_popescu points out, has always been the language of slaves. 1260273;1441235788;pete_dushenski;certainly in the americas 1260274;1441235795;shinohai;I had yet to read him opine on Spanish. 1260275;1441235804;shinohai;But yes, that is true. 1260276;1441235830;pete_dushenski;as to spain proper, well, they still have a few museums of note, but other than that it's just doner kebab stands and beaches 1260277;1441235840;mircea_popescu;ftr i dun hold the "always language of slaves" thing and omg if you're going to say what i said link to sauce! 1260278;1441235858;mircea_popescu;odds are you'll remember it ever-so-slighty wrong and piss me off 1260279;1441235873;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: s/always/long then. 1260280;1441235899;mircea_popescu;no, seriously, it's a cornerstone of a functioning internal life : always have the source material at the ready. 1260281;1441235910;shinohai;When I quote mircea_popescu on twitter, I generally always link here or to trilema. 1260282;1441235948;shinohai;I will paraphrase on occasion though. 1260283;1441235954;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/b46e0ee242925ffdaf36955d51ed3ed7/tumblr_n27q4nqm1j1rjbi2lo1_500.jpg 1260284;1441235955;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCfW1Z ) 1260285;1441235997;shinohai;I used to have that exact tile pattern in my bathroom. 1260286;1441236007;shinohai;I hated it. 1260287;1441236036;ag3nt_zer0;greetings 1260288;1441236040;mircea_popescu;i just liked the stockings. 1260289;1441236081;ag3nt_zer0;anyone have an opinion on paul craig roberts writings? 1260290;1441236112;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259883 << this sort of brain rot is pervasive of the certain empowered-nanny idiot that large state always collapses into. consider http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html 1260291;1441236112;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 17:44:35; ascii_field: '“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.' 1260292;1441236113;assbot;I am able to move small objects with my mind. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uo0TAZ ) 1260293;1441236123;mircea_popescu;"He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable." 1260294;1441236143;mircea_popescu;or it could mean he fucvking forgot, or that he finds my body odour objectionable and wants to get out already 1260295;1441236149;mircea_popescu;but i'm going with "knew wrong blablabla". 1260296;1441236184;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838829 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2014#796935 1260297;1441236184;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2014 16:33:51; mircea_popescu: and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme 1260298;1441236184;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2014 04:13:32; mircea_popescu: i only talk spanish to my horse 1260299;1441236198;mircea_popescu;the fundamental driver being the stupid woman in question's inferiority complex. she knows she's filth and she knows actual people wouldn't give her idiocy the time of day. which is "resolved" in her mind as "of course what everyone spends ever ymoment doing is thinking about my stupid shit. yes that's right i'm that central" 1260300;1441236202;pete_dushenski;also relevant to the discussion, an exception ! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014#600239 1260301;1441236202;assbot;Logged on 02-04-2014 20:35:41; mircea_popescu: whoa check that out, apparently you can say intelligent things in spanish! 1260302;1441236210;deedbot-;[Qntra] Peoria Pays $125,000 in Satire Settlement - http://qntra.net/2015/09/peoria-pays-125000-in-satire-settlement/ 1260303;1441236210;mircea_popescu;try telling the us tax man that "you just never gave a shit about irs stuff" 1260304;1441236217;mircea_popescu;see some very butthurt faces. 1260305;1441236240;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski much better! 1260306;1441236270;mircea_popescu;you readily see how the first one was being sarcastic, re alf's complaints right ? 1260307;1441236280;mircea_popescu;the second is a tongue in cheek reference to a famous quote 1260308;1441236305;mircea_popescu;charles 5th, hre, said I speak Spanish to God, Italian to Women, French to Men, and German to my Horse. 1260309;1441236317;mircea_popescu;the spanish/german substitution was intended to be funny, to they familair with the classics. 1260310;1441236330;pete_dushenski;totally, but within that must lie a grain of truth, or it wouldn't be funny ! 1260311;1441236366;mircea_popescu;(this , incidentally, is a large reason why classic texts are so commonly misunderstood by the layman - such as for instance shakespeare by tolstoy. there exists this device where a is replaced by b with the expectation on the part of the writer that the reader notices the substitution and holds it meaningful 1260312;1441236378;shinohai;Now I am forlorn pete_dushenski because on more thought my housecleaner speaks Spanish. xD 1260313;1441236394;mircea_popescu;a degradation of that expectation under the blessings of mass educationm is visible for instance in the very vulgar but sadly necessary habit of peppering ^H^H^H^H in the logs. 1260314;1441236474;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1260315;1441236479;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260182 << from the very scant material, it appears to not differ meaningfully from ibm360 1260316;1441236479;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 22:23:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259717 << >> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_C 1260317;1441236560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it went into production in 1970 1260318;1441236581;ag3nt_zer0;I do wonder if this type of scene has its foreign parallels or if it is largely a US phenomena: http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_1_how_i_joined.html 1260319;1441236583;assbot;How I Joined Teach for America--and Got Sued for $20 Million by Joshua Kaplowitz, City Journal Winter 2003 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uo1OBs ) 1260320;1441236600;mircea_popescu;that discussion you quoted was 69 iirc ? 1260321;1441236610;asciilifeform;aha 1260322;1441236621;mircea_popescu;so it was already underway at that time. 1260323;1441236638;mircea_popescu;im not making any claims as to value or quality, mind. 1260324;1441236658;asciilifeform;but yes, from what i can tell, it was not a straight clone 1260325;1441236686;mircea_popescu;it was actually in part based on stolen us ip throughout the mid 60s, and in part on actually refined tube techs 1260326;1441236690;mircea_popescu;(wasn't fully integrated) 1260327;1441236774;mircea_popescu;but the romanians didn't much like the soviets. (if you recall, nixon visited in 69 etc) 1260328;1441236790;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: it is sop, and i know a fella personally who went into and then, a few years later, quit teaching school, for reasons not entirely unlike what was described in your link. 1260329;1441236803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.0007022 = 28.4391 BTC [+] 1260330;1441236816;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9L9iXJfx8 for lulz 1260331;1441236817;assbot;President Nixon Visits Rumania (1969) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JChBEx ) 1260332;1441236890;BingoBoingo;In other news further Mullenweg derp https://wordpress.org/support/topic/emoji-and-smiley-js-and-css-added-to-head 1260333;1441236891;assbot;WordPress › Support » Emoji and smiley js and css added to head ... ( http://bit.ly/1JChHw6 ) 1260334;1441236955;mircea_popescu;dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose. 1260335;1441236970;mircea_popescu;whats the executive summary, girl wanted to fuck him, he said no, girls brother killed him ? 1260336;1441236976;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260257 << the whole site is classic crankbait 1260337;1441236976;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 23:11:23; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260034 << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ? 1260338;1441236981;asciilifeform;!s crankbait 1260339;1441236982;assbot;3 results for 'crankbait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crankbait 1260340;1441237006;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259906 << totally! 1260341;1441237006;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 18:15:54; punkman: the world doesn't know how the world works 1260342;1441237012;asciilifeform;!s crank bait 1260343;1441237013;assbot;22 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait 1260344;1441237054;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: ok thx... I was speaking generally to the atmosphere of the degenerate adult-fail of the contemporary populace in failing to take on their roles as mentors and superiors of the children, combined with these wretched inner-city armed guard metal detector ghetto schools... 1260345;1441237055;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-12-2014#944325 << see thread. 1260346;1441237055;assbot;Logged on 03-12-2014 23:20:00; asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain. 1260347;1441237082;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: interfering with the men-to-monkey converter 'would be r4c1s7!!!!' 1260348;1441237105;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259928 << ahaha that aas funny 1260349;1441237105;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 19:48:07; jurov: requires nano ~/.vimrc first 1260350;1441237109;asciilifeform;usg needs steady supply of rabid monkeys for 101 different purposes. 1260351;1441237113;ag3nt_zer0;just hard to imagine it being so bad sinc eus is lawsuit culture and leadingthis equality/entitlement movement 1260352;1441237141;BingoBoingo; dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose. << It's from their forum. User asks why upgrade left them with a bunch of .js and Derpomatic says if you don't like it install a plugin 1260353;1441237157;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: monkeys are 'entitled' to your flesh and twelve generations'. this is in the konstitooshin or similar. 1260354;1441237165;asciilifeform;somewhere. 1260355;1441237166;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1260356;1441237167;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no i meant ag3nt_zer0 s crop. i don't read the other fucktard but i know what he'sa saying anywa 1260357;1441237172;BingoBoingo;ah 1260358;1441237213;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259934 << this just means you suck. 1260359;1441237213;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 19:55:25; shinohai: We can't all have Stepford wives. 1260360;1441237217;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: hahah ok understandable 1260361;1441237248;asciilifeform;from what i recall of the film, the wives were not appealing (imho) 1260362;1441237249;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259941 << lmao they're not even different idiots. 1260363;1441237249;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 19:57:46; ascii_field: and mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-abusing-dmca-to-put-genie-back-in-the-bottle-eff-says 1260364;1441237262;mircea_popescu;you could run the entire "vc software industry" off of half a brain 1260365;1441237268;asciilifeform;of a mouse 1260366;1441237298;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, if i were to say "the appearance of best business practices is proof positive business as a going concern is dead" you'd see what i mean 1260367;1441237303;mircea_popescu;yet with engineering this is not so. 1260368;1441237318;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does anyone need "best business practices" ? and what do they need them FOR ? 1260369;1441237334;mircea_popescu;"we want to break the law safely" 1260370;1441237336;mircea_popescu;"how about you don't" 1260371;1441237339;asciilifeform;the phrase is a nonsensical americanism, aha 1260372;1441237341;mircea_popescu;"can't, it's too stupid" 1260373;1441237343;mircea_popescu;"throw it out" 1260374;1441237347;mircea_popescu; /glazeover 1260375;1441237353;asciilifeform;but there are such things as double-entry bookkeeping, etc. which are reasonably traditional 1260376;1441237363;mircea_popescu;and pointedly NOT that. 1260377;1441237400;mircea_popescu;let me put this question in its proper framing, harking back to the scholastic disputes of a millenium ago. 1260378;1441237408;mircea_popescu;who made the standard ? how did they know what to put into it ? 1260379;1441237421;mircea_popescu;if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ? 1260380;1441237427;mircea_popescu;are you son of god or son of man ? 1260381;1441237497;asciilifeform; if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ? << that's the magic moment where engineer typically understands (or worse, does not) that the standard is a hierarchical imposition, rather than an act of education like teaching a child to add and substract 1260382;1441237498;mircea_popescu;reality may surprise and remain valid. thoughts may not. surprising thoughts are ipso facto invalid. which is why the destruction of engineering as an intellectual activity is covered in "creativity" 1260383;1441237536;mircea_popescu;therre is no such thing as "creativity" in tech, and there's certainly no place for "women in tech" understood as monkeys. 1260384;1441237553;asciilifeform;thought can legitimately surprise when sense replaces nonsense, rather than vice-versa 1260385;1441237557;mircea_popescu;and i don't care how "raceis", "rapey" or whatever else the understanding of women as people is. 1260386;1441237569;asciilifeform;(iirc 'v' even, surprised a few people) 1260387;1441237576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unsurpisingly. 1260388;1441237582;asciilifeform;l0l 1260389;1441237586;asciilifeform;!b 7 1260390;1441237587;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HE3F7P.txt ) 1260391;1441237600;mircea_popescu;how did you pick the 7 i wanna know lol 1260392;1441237612;asciilifeform;by pressing button. 1260393;1441237620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has one too... 1260394;1441237624;*;mircea_popescu has no idea where this convo starts 1260395;1441237635;mircea_popescu;17, 299, however many lines ag 1260396;1441237636;mircea_popescu;o 1260397;1441237701;asciilifeform;re: the scholastic dispute of old times, i am reminded of 'the gate is closed' edict of islam 1260398;1441237721;asciilifeform;which is blamed for the decline of arab culture in 16th c 1260399;1441237746;mircea_popescu;i am unconvinced by any explanation of decline that reads different from "success brought abundance which made people complacent. the end." 1260400;1441237766;asciilifeform;'gate of ijtihad' 1260401;1441237787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is rather like writing 'stopped breathing' on death certificate. yes, accurate... 1260402;1441237799;mircea_popescu;aha. 1260403;1441237840;mircea_popescu;ijtihad is merely the arabic for "buck stops" 1260404;1441237881;asciilifeform;http://www.jstor.org/stable/162939?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents 1260405;1441237882;assbot;JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjl0O ) 1260406;1441237910;asciilifeform;or, from peanut gallery, http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2006/03/the_gate_of_ijt.html 1260407;1441237911;assbot;Sic Semper Tyrannis : The Gate of Ijtihad ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjpgW ) 1260408;1441237933;asciilifeform;not having command of the language, i also lack a good source for this thing. 1260409;1441237990;*;asciilifeform brb. 1260410;1441238033;*;mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that 1260411;1441238041;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked anyone their fucking opinion omfg 1260412;1441238152;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259982 << bwahahaha 1260413;1441238152;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 20:46:58; mats: >71% do not qualify for service 1260414;1441238158;mircea_popescu;yet somehow qualified for life ? 1260415;1441238165;mircea_popescu;how? who actually believes this ? 1260416;1441238206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7937 @ 0.00069458 = 5.5129 BTC [-] 1260417;1441238230;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259992 >> i'm not even convinced he even for a second proposes that as factual. reads to me like alf's writing a novel in his spare time is all. 1260418;1441238230;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 20:52:46; mats: waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa 1260419;1441238500;mircea_popescu;shinohai try mod6 for camping, who knows. 1260420;1441238670;*;shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating. 1260421;1441238909;BingoBoingo;New useragent spotted on Bitcoin network http://dpaste.com/0KAJW1H "/Snoopy:0.1/" "version" : 60001, 1260422;1441238912;assbot;dpaste: 0KAJW1H ... ( http://bit.ly/1JClk5e ) 1260423;1441239713;mats;http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/21490-communist-china-dumps-us-debt-amid-economic-turmoil 1260424;1441239718;assbot;Communist China Dumps U.S. Debt Amid Economic Turmoil ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYUBTv ) 1260425;1441239853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00068515 = 4.0081 BTC [-] 1260426;1441239933;mircea_popescu;lol communist 1260427;1441239943;mircea_popescu;the us are the communists. 1260428;1441239992;mircea_popescu;"the dictatorship ruling mainland China" 1260429;1441240001;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too 1260430;1441240002;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1260431;1441240021;mircea_popescu;CHINA DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW CHINA SHOULD WORK SO THE WORLD CAN WORK LIKE WE WANT IT TO BECAUSE WE'RE IMPORTANT!111 1260432;1441240079;mircea_popescu;anyway, they're barely selling 5% 1260433;1441240269;mircea_popescu;anyway, lulzy. 1260434;1441240301;*;mircea_popescu has redominated all his real estate leases throughout the world into usd during the past ~year, so this should be fun indeed. 1260435;1441240341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00068291 = 35.7162 BTC [-] {2} 1260436;1441240471;mircea_popescu;(my own interpretation of reality being that china has decided there is no need of a us in the future, which would be implemented through a slow divestment so as to extract the maximal value possible out of their holdings. now that they've actually moved on it, they're not going to change course. which means 2010s are the last decade for the us.) 1260437;1441240798;mats;we shall see 1260438;1441240890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00069995 = 19.8436 BTC [+] 1260439;1441240934;mats;i rather like living in the US northeast and would like to put off my migration into cn for as long as possible 1260440;1441241082;mats;mebbe i could move back to san jose and hope it survives as meta-cn 1260441;1441241249;mod6;shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating. << haha, wat? 1260442;1441241273;mod6;i only like camping in the desert or in the west in general. "back east" sucks, too humid. 1260443;1441241461;mod6;mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro". 1260444;1441241506;mircea_popescu;to be noted, of course, that this "if you're poor enough to need to use our mnass transit, here is how you must sit" nonsense follows twenty-thirty years of "oh using cars is bad for the environment, when mass transit is just as good" 1260445;1441241513;mircea_popescu;all the schmucks that BOUGHT INTO that now get this. 1260446;1441241524;mircea_popescu;and that's exactly how govt ploys work, ever since forever. in all cases. 1260447;1441241544;mod6;yah, it's insane. 1260448;1441241549;mircea_popescu;be it rhodesia or http://trilema.com/2010/guvernul-de-alba-neagra/ 1260449;1441241550;assbot;Guvernul de alba-neagra on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCo42y ) 1260450;1441241557;mircea_popescu;be it anything and everything. 1260451;1441241578;mircea_popescu;1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!" 1260452;1441241587;mircea_popescu;then it's "since you need us, here's what you must do". 1260453;1441241604;mircea_popescu;well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything. 1260454;1441241632;mircea_popescu;and if in facvt it is cheaper, that's only proof the government is taking in too much tax. 1260455;1441241645;mircea_popescu;"here's your flier advertising cheaper mass transit in lieu of taxes this year. fuck off." 1260456;1441241717;mircea_popescu;somehow nobody ever thought to ask the self-proclaimed "bitcoin businesses" that nevertheless have 0 bitcoin income signing whatever ridicuolous proclamation HOW DO TYHEY INTEND TO PAY FOR IT. 1260457;1441241719;mod6;the fact that the one guy didn't outright say to the other "fuck you." is totally limpdick pansy-ass bullshit. 1260458;1441241732;mircea_popescu;how is coinbase going to pay for big blocks. more tax money ? more fees ? what ? 1260459;1441241755;trinque;mod6: stop mansplaining your manspreading, bro 1260460;1441241755;shinohai;Simple, GAvin says merchants will mine to help pay tx fees. 1260461;1441241777;mircea_popescu;shinohai wioth money from whom ? 1260462;1441241778;shinohai;*bigger blocks 1260463;1441241793;shinohai;That's what *I* would like to know. 1260464;1441241811;mircea_popescu;mod6 fuck you maybe not the proper form, but "i want those season tickets back and after you've dropped them off do not say hi to me anymore." 1260465;1441241871;mod6;if some vagina on the train told me to "watch my man spreding, i'd be like. ``fuck off, dickhead''" it's the only reasonable response you hvae left any more. 1260466;1441241920;mircea_popescu;mod6 amusingly enough, the itnernal logic of all this is that sitting lkike a man IS A BEHAVIOUR, see. up to you. whereas being fat like a woman is NOT to the same degree a behaviour. 1260467;1441241928;mircea_popescu;which is to say, yes she's fat because she won't stop eating junk 1260468;1441241933;mircea_popescu;but no she's not fat RIGHT NOW because of that. 1260469;1441241944;mircea_popescu;as orwell pointed out, stupid regulations always favour cockroaches. 1260470;1441241962;mircea_popescu;so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through 1260471;1441241967;mircea_popescu;because that's how far apart the seats are, 1260472;1441241971;mircea_popescu;you get this sort of nonsense. 1260473;1441241993;mod6;i think that's next, bars between seats. 1260474;1441242003;mircea_popescu;maybe cages 1260475;1441242009;mircea_popescu;fedex all the people! 1260476;1441242019;mod6;they have these bus benches with them now. partly so you can't encroach on someone else, and partly to keep bums from sleeping on them. 1260477;1441242021;mircea_popescu;it works for cats, right ? so there is even science behind it! 1260478;1441242032;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> fedex all the people! << haha 1260479;1441242110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41068 @ 0.0007022 = 28.8379 BTC [+] {2} 1260480;1441242171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16532 @ 0.0007051 = 11.6567 BTC [+] {2} 1260481;1441242198;mod6;speaking of fat people. when I was at the statefair on monday, there was some time-dialation from the sheer increase to like 29 Solar Masses. 1260482;1441242219;mod6;it was crazy 1260483;1441242264;mod6;im actually like 293 years old now, i just look like im 35. 1260484;1441242270;mircea_popescu;lmao 1260485;1441242277;trinque;mod6: don't get that close to Gargantua 1260486;1441242284;mod6;^ 1260487;1441242292;*;mod6 laughs 1260488;1441242298;mircea_popescu;"us democracy has provedly brought the absolute worst solutions to all conceivable problems for the past 50 years. why would anyone not want it in their country!" 1260489;1441242322;mircea_popescu;because srsly... anyone recall my argument re drugs legalisation ? 1260490;1441242324;mod6;democracy for everyone! we will send you the diebold machines! 1260491;1441242330;mircea_popescu;you have bad food legalisation atm. who isn't fat ? 1260492;1441242331;mircea_popescu;rich people. 1260493;1441242336;mircea_popescu;q fucking ed. 1260494;1441242356;mircea_popescu;if drugs were legal, the only ones left standing would be idem. 1260495;1441242358;deedbot-;[Qntra] Guilty Plea After Package Tracking Breaks Opsec in Darkmarket Drug Case - http://qntra.net/2015/09/guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec-in-darkmarket-drug-case/ 1260496;1441242361;mod6;yeah. true. 1260497;1441242374;mircea_popescu;mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home. 1260498;1441242377;mircea_popescu;but thye don't. 1260499;1441242390;mircea_popescu;and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time 1260500;1441242392;mircea_popescu;but they won't. 1260501;1441242400;mod6;it boggles the mind. i always look at other peoples carts at the grocery store. 1260502;1441242407;mircea_popescu;and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit 1260503;1441242419;mircea_popescu;and then, salary will be, for 50% of the population, based on the going sprice. 1260504;1441242452;mod6;the heaviest people always have 57 bags of pizza rolls, 28 hotpockets, 13 bags of cheesy poofs and 10 2 litre bottles of diet coke. 1260505;1441242468;*;mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious. 1260506;1441242481;mircea_popescu;meanwhile everywhere kfc is going crazy advertising a ... 5 meat patty thing 1260507;1441242496;mod6;lol. 1260508;1441242506;mircea_popescu;it looks like painted sponge, that meat. 1260509;1441242509;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260429 << the fuckers tried, in '89. went home with tail between legs, tank tread marks 1260510;1441242509;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 00:26:41; mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too 1260511;1441242525;mircea_popescu;i dunno, who the fuck can eat them. it literally looks like 10x my daily meat intake, and im a consummate carnivore. 1260512;1441242564;asciilifeform;alba-neagra << l0l!! 1260513;1441242577;mircea_popescu;three card monte 1260514;1441242595;mircea_popescu;about 50% of romania's foreign investment in the early 90s came from young colorful men plying that trade abroad. 1260515;1441242599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18551 @ 0.00069995 = 12.9848 BTC [-] 1260516;1441242625;mats;guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec << what an idiot crime. you gonna set up a stooge at the drop and hope he can outrun the black van? 1260517;1441242667;asciilifeform; so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through << EXACTLY like that thing they have at airports, for briefcases 1!!1 1260518;1441242703;mircea_popescu;quite. 1260519;1441242708;mod6;mircea_popescu: one thing about food in b-a, it's amazing how good /real/ food tastes! lol. 1260520;1441242708;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1260521;1441242716;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah. hard to beat. 1260522;1441242725;mircea_popescu;tho they have nfi about dairy. 1260523;1441242726;asciilifeform; and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time << what, exactly? theorems ? 1260524;1441242739;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform burpees. 1260525;1441242745;asciilifeform;!s no theorems to prove 1260526;1441242745;assbot;1 results for 'no theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+theorems+to+prove 1260527;1441242764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember my mouse ? 1260528;1441242769;mircea_popescu;it also had no theorems to prove. 1260529;1441242783;mircea_popescu;except, perhaps, one. hardly any theo and a lot of rem in it. 1260530;1441242800;asciilifeform;for mouse they also have the pleasure electrode. 1260531;1441242801;trinque;were there no welfare bad food and drugs would be fine filters 1260532;1441242805;asciilifeform;works great. 1260533;1441242811;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> tho they have nfi about dairy. << that one italian place had some decent cheese iirc... but perhaps it was imported. 1260534;1441242819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu just happened upon an unpatched mouse, that's all.. 1260535;1441242836;mircea_popescu;all cheese imported,a nd i have very specific cream and kefir/yogurt requirements. 1260536;1441242844;mod6;ah 1260537;1441242862;*;trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby 1260538;1441242870;*;mircea_popescu wants transylvanian sour cream god fucking damn it all. 1260539;1441242877;asciilifeform;'good farm' in usa is like good farm in pripyat' 1260540;1441242881;asciilifeform;relative thing. 1260541;1441242881;trinque;bullshit. 1260542;1441242891;trinque;entirely; you just live in the worst part of the US 1260543;1441242903;mircea_popescu;by choice even! 1260544;1441242910;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform how come you live in shitington, dc ? 1260545;1441242920;trinque;I've milked the fuckers myself and this tasted just like that 1260546;1441242922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: originally - family 1260547;1441242925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: today - meatwot 1260548;1441242928;mircea_popescu;and unoriginally ? 1260549;1441242931;trinque;had the nice muted sweetness to it, quite alive 1260550;1441242953;mircea_popescu;wait trinque can milk ?! 1260551;1441242963;trinque;sure, parents have 130 cows or so 1260552;1441242967;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1260553;1441242978;mod6;im simply amazed that you can sit on that beltway everyday. that stuff was bananaballs. 1260554;1441242985;asciilifeform;mod6: i either do it or starve. 1260555;1441242985;trinque;I don't do it often, but I know my way around an udder, lol 1260556;1441242985;mircea_popescu;for a while years ago i amused myself by organising reality tours for various people from afar. sort-of like a conference i guess. 1260557;1441242996;mod6;asciilifeform: understandable. 1260558;1441243002;mircea_popescu;once we went to a farm, and cow was being milked by girl 1260559;1441243006;trinque;asciilifeform: you could find some bullshit startup to.. milk 1260560;1441243007;mircea_popescu;and i was like "go ahead, milk it!" 1260561;1441243014;trinque;and make loads of bezzlars 1260562;1441243016;mircea_popescu;obviously this can't be done 1260563;1441243024;asciilifeform;trinque: that's sorta where i work, minus the 'loads' part 1260564;1441243024;mircea_popescu;!up anono 1260565;1441243060;trinque;asciilifeform: I bet Galois in town would hire ya 1260566;1441243079;asciilifeform;trinque: i think i told the story before. i have no desire at all to be 'in job market' 1260567;1441243083;asciilifeform;or to work on 'in-demand things' 1260568;1441243088;asciilifeform;or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way. 1260569;1441243094;trinque;sure, they'd make you write haskell all day or something 1260570;1441243101;asciilifeform;for other people's ideas, aha. 1260571;1441243117;mircea_popescu;no country for old alfs. 1260572;1441243120;asciilifeform;aha. 1260573;1441243150;mircea_popescu;or in the words of maggie the cat, "you can be young without money. but you can't be old without it" 1260574;1441243152;asciilifeform;trinque: presently i am paid to work on one of the least interesting ideas i ever had. and this beats working with the most interesting idea other people ever had, in my demented head. 1260575;1441243177;trinque;I can sorta see it; at least one might come home with some cycles left to spend on something interesting 1260576;1441243268;asciilifeform;trinque: at any rate, i regard the idea of being hired to do something specific, worse, involving other people's code, to resemble jail 1260577;1441243271;asciilifeform;minus all the good parts 1260578;1441243297;mod6;worse even 1260579;1441243301;asciilifeform;but i think i already told this story, long ago. 1260580;1441243513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18264 @ 0.00069348 = 12.6657 BTC [-] 1260581;1441243985;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260497 << gluttony (like dope) is the singularly most pleasurable thing these folks have going. hence the result. 1260582;1441243985;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:14; mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home. 1260583;1441244110;mats;the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive 1260584;1441244123;mats;and the 'cheap shit' roughly approximates to rice and beans or a mcchicken 1260585;1441244175;asciilifeform;mats: if you want non-hormonal meat, non-poisoned veggies, etc. they ~do~ cost 2-7x. plus then you need the time/inclination/space to cook'em. 1260586;1441244251;asciilifeform;the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones 1260587;1441244283;asciilifeform;e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop 1260588;1441244299;asciilifeform;only 'we swear these chickens ate neither, and you will believe' shop. 1260589;1441244342;asciilifeform;there are ~precisely two~ buttons on the panel, 'mcfood' and 'hippie' 1260590;1441244359;asciilifeform;(with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') 1260591;1441244441;asciilifeform;mats: here i am discussing foods that one buys and then at least heats. not even touching upon the mcdrivethrough sort, which ~is~ an optional thing 1260592;1441244476;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260502 << on what planet, in what alt-usa ? 1260593;1441244476;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:47; mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit 1260594;1441244486;asciilifeform;mcturd costs a dollar or two. 1260595;1441244499;BingoBoingo; (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') << Not so bad, cheap monetarily and in terms of time for the veggies, get expensive quickly for the proteins 1260596;1441244501;asciilifeform;about ten minutes' wage of an illegal mexican. 1260597;1441244569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food. 1260598;1441244604;asciilifeform;it is very uncommon to even think about what food costs here. 1260599;1441244624;asciilifeform;the way it works is that everyone eats the things they were raised to see as ordinary, and at each particular class, those appear cheap. 1260600;1441244637;asciilifeform;whereas it is not uncommon to pay 50-80% of income for the roof over head. 1260601;1441244881;*;asciilifeform implodes. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260505 1260602;1441244881;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:07:48; *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious. 1260603;1441244919;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260473 << as if this helped on airplane 1260604;1441244919;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 00:59:53; mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats. 1260605;1441244998;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260453 << the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. 1260606;1441244998;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 00:53:24; mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything. 1260607;1441245019;asciilifeform;(at that point, why drive'em in ? so they can sit on endless parking lot going to the horizon ?) 1260608;1441245065;mats;mcdrivethru is a solid deal if you're looking to just exist, yakno 1260609;1441245080;mats;a buck and some change gets you ~350cals, 14g protein 1260610;1441245082;asciilifeform;so long as you don't need to exist for more than a decade or three 1260611;1441245129;asciilifeform;mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips. 1260612;1441245133;asciilifeform;eaten a couplea times a day 1260613;1441245144;asciilifeform;(or 'crisps' as they are called there) 1260614;1441245155;asciilifeform;even cheaper than the american burger 1260615;1441245159;asciilifeform;needs no cook, no heat. 1260616;1441245160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14497 @ 0.00069297 = 10.046 BTC [-] 1260617;1441245166;asciilifeform;can be eaten while shitting, literally 1260618;1441245172;asciilifeform;or walking, or whatever. 1260619;1441245213;asciilifeform;they, apparently, do not have (or are moving in the direction) such a thing as 'family sits down for dinner' 1260620;1441245223;asciilifeform;everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. 1260621;1441245227;funkenstein_;compare price to bag of potatoes, or oats, to see real value 1260622;1441245236;asciilifeform;potatoes have to be prepared !! 1260623;1441245249;mats;21:49:57 <+asciilifeform> ... the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. << you ever been to LA? 1260624;1441245249;asciilifeform;that means time away from the screen 1260625;1441245257;funkenstein_;megalogs.. applause on thread: re standards become the sorcerers explanation 1260626;1441245263;asciilifeform;mats: no, but even in la. 1260627;1441245349;asciilifeform;mats: it is interesting to walk through 'financial' parts of d.c., or nyc, and notice that the offices full of folks too high and mighty to sit on a train, are largely multiple floor after floor of underground and above-ground tower parking, by sheer volume. 1260628;1441245375;asciilifeform;in nyc they even have little cranes (yes) which stuff cars into shelves, robotically 1260629;1441245420;asciilifeform;realize also that a car takes up, integrated over a typical day, vastly more volume than the wheeled coffin per se occupies 1260630;1441245425;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, the joke is on them of course. the train is infinitely more comfortable 1260631;1441245427;asciilifeform;because it is (part of the time) in motion. 1260632;1441245437;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you. 1260633;1441245441;asciilifeform;then - best train. 1260634;1441245464;*;funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book 1260635;1441245481;funkenstein_;*subway 1260636;1441245497;asciilifeform;funkenstein_ must then have peculiar notion of 'comfortable' 1260637;1441245512;mats;sop in every mega-city: hk and sg island, tokyo, monaco, london, etc... 1260638;1441245597;funkenstein_;hint: being able to close eyes is a start 1260639;1441245651;trinque;I loathe public transportation. 1260640;1441245677;trinque;here it's more than likely you'll share it with some bum covered in his own shit and piss 1260641;1441245688;mats;21:57:42 — +funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book << reminds me when i'd catch a nap in the cattle car during movements between barracks and training site, fully burdened by gear and supported on all sides by other dudes 1260642;1441245688;trinque;really doesn't matter where in the car he is; you smell him 1260643;1441245689;asciilifeform;trinque: where i live this is true of bus; but not usually train 1260644;1441245714;trinque;they don't enforce tickets very well 1260645;1441245725;trinque;probably as some tacit matter of policy 1260646;1441245795;funkenstein_;well you could always carry a two ton steel wheelchair with you and wait in line behind idiots 1260647;1441245819;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories 1260648;1441245820;assbot;Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w ) 1260649;1441245845;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: most folks i know who have the option of going on the train, do 1260650;1441245850;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: i did, when i did 1260651;1441245882;trinque;parking's probably hell around there 1260652;1441245890;asciilifeform;trinque: where ? 1260653;1441245898;trinque;nearabouts DC 1260654;1441245904;asciilifeform;trinque: depends very much where 1260655;1441245915;funkenstein_;mats, looks like morale is high :) 1260656;1441245922;asciilifeform;trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking 1260657;1441245931;asciilifeform;going on 90% 1260658;1441245935;trinque;ah not bad 1260659;1441245996;mats;MPs got it easy in 'AIT' (job training) 1260660;1441246041;mircea_popescu; the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you. 1260661;1441246082;*;asciilifeform has who to cook for him, and isn't even a mircea_popescu 1260662;1441246098;mircea_popescu; the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident. 1260663;1441246101;asciilifeform;speaking of, brb! 1260664;1441246109;mircea_popescu;maybe for natural causes, but aided and abetted nevertheless. 1260665;1441246165;mircea_popescu; mcturd costs a dollar or two. << look at how "inflation" is calculated sometime. 1260666;1441246264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle. 1260667;1441246293;mircea_popescu;the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon. 1260668;1441246304;mircea_popescu;take that away, having towns is a waste of everyone's time. 1260669;1441246372;mircea_popescu; everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. << good enough for the pakistani's rapemeat warehouse. 1260670;1441246514;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260597 << changing?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI3Nya5L9g 1260671;1441246514;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:42:49; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food. 1260672;1441246515;assbot;Inflation Propaganda Exposed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOnQcB ) 1260673;1441246536;mircea_popescu; funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you. << ro anecdote. many years ago /me went to pick up new slavegirl, decided on train for return trip. rented out whole compartment. upon entering ordered girl to strip and masturbate. cue VERY amazed train conductor guy checking tickets, level with and two feet away from rubbed clit. 1260674;1441246640;mircea_popescu; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories << why do the women sound drunk ? 1260675;1441246641;assbot;Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w ) 1260676;1441246646;mircea_popescu;i won't ask about "stupid" 1260677;1441246756;mats;i dunno. 1260678;1441246808;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in daily argentinian lols : their government is deeply inept (so much so that id cards actually have chips with medical history and whatnot). takes me about ten minutes to have complete history on anyone on the basis of their identity number. 1260679;1441246820;mircea_popescu;like, what their mother's name was and employment history and whatnot 1260680;1441246836;mircea_popescu;it is the one saving grace because otherwise twerpy as they are they'd be entirely unsuable. 1260681;1441246887;mircea_popescu;but anyway, it's a fine exercise in the importance of "national identity" schemes. they exist so that the actual people can make some sort of sense of the cattle. 1260682;1441246894;mircea_popescu;which, otherwise, moos, yes, but not meaningfully. 1260683;1441246918;mod6;everyone has these id cards? 1260684;1441246920;mod6;or just gov? 1260685;1441246923;mircea_popescu;everyone. 1260686;1441246938;mircea_popescu;and yes, i understand that the view in the us is that such schemes take away individual agency. 1260687;1441246967;mircea_popescu;the problem is - they do not. they merely are made unavoidable by the already lost individual agency. which people lose because it's too heavy t ocarry, like the late roman army shield and helmet. 1260688;1441246975;mircea_popescu;so... of necessity. 1260689;1441247016;mircea_popescu;but saying "the government wants nat'l ids to oppress people" is like saying "maggots want blood separation to kill the corpse". 1260690;1441247025;mircea_popescu;by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead. 1260691;1441247082;mircea_popescu;(the silent H in all this being : no, an argentine can't pretend to me to be X or Y or Z. because i have a schematic understanding of what he MAY be, and that is the absolute and enforced limit of his destiny.) 1260692;1441247145;mircea_popescu;and the exact same thing is coming to an us near you. because if you let the twerps "be what they want to be", they'll want to be "creative evangelists at large" and similar randy zuckerbergianisms. which aren't things. 1260693;1441247181;mod6;oh yeah, they tried to pass all that through a while back. 1260694;1441247194;mircea_popescu;it's going to happen, of necessity. 1260695;1441247295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.00069348 = 32.975 BTC [+] 1260696;1441247304;mircea_popescu;once people lose the ability to confront кто ты по жизни (and notice i did not say "answer"), a numeric classification system is unavoidable. 1260697;1441247511;trinque;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/02/russias-involvement-in-syria-might-be-ramping-up/ << more rumors and mumbling 1260698;1441247512;assbot;Russia’s involvement in Syria might be ramping up - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOoU04 ) 1260699;1441247540;mod6;are you still trying to find MSM articles on that? i dug one up from bbc earlier... 1260700;1441247557;trinque;yeah, but all they're doing is acknowledging the rumors from elsewhere 1260701;1441247676;mod6;dow was up 293 points today. im sure they use the circut breakers just as much when price movements are to the upside. 1260702;1441247680;mod6;not. 1260703;1441247784;mod6;what a scam 1260704;1441247796;trinque;never have I felt like so many things were on the verge of... well, god knows what... all at once. 1260705;1441247800;trinque;though I have not lived very long 1260706;1441247898;pete_dushenski;trinque: 'may you live in interesting times' 1260707;1441247909;pete_dushenski;trinque: also, what are you, 25 ? 30 ? 1260708;1441247913;trinque;these are interesting but... slow! 1260709;1441247925;trinque;everything crawls, maybe due to the attention span of the modern media consumer 1260710;1441247927;trinque;28 1260711;1441247959;pete_dushenski;ah nice 1260712;1441247985;pete_dushenski;and while it may feel like everything on the verge, things can feel that way for decades 1260713;1441248013;pete_dushenski;while some governments or currencies or infrastructure items may fail, it'll be a series of events, not all at once 1260714;1441248032;pete_dushenski;well, it ~is~ a series of events, and we're witnessing it 1260715;1441248067;trinque;mhm, as mircea_popescu noted re: chinese selling of us bonds 1260716;1441248073;pete_dushenski;what it would be like to live in an age when ~everything~ seems to be improving, may we one day find out, but that will be a long day from today 1260717;1441248088;trinque;hell I'd just like to watch it rip loose 1260718;1441248095;mircea_popescu;!up dgenr8 1260719;1441248102;pete_dushenski;probably what 1950's usa felt like, on the improvement score 1260720;1441248113;pete_dushenski;trinque: you dionysian you 1260721;1441248120;mats;sociopath. 1260722;1441248122;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: read '50s e.g., 'popular mechanics' sometime 1260723;1441248130;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: surreal experience 1260724;1441248135;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski /me lived like that for a coupla decades, actually. ro of the 90s was a fab thing. 1260725;1441248185;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i read pop sci, pop mech, growing up. they fascinated me even in the early 90s. will have to check on 50s back copies 1260726;1441248194;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i bet! 1260727;1441248208;trinque;mats: aw, isn't sociopathic to pull the plug on grandpa when cancer's eating him all through 1260728;1441248219;mircea_popescu;in mid july 1989 govt was pretending like romanians did useful work. by 1992 govt was out and out saying that the ~65 dollars a month you earn is barely justified by your work value. 1260729;1441248228;mircea_popescu;once that was on the table, the country shot up. 1260730;1441248233;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip. 1260731;1441248233;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident. 1260732;1441248243;asciilifeform;instead, we have idiot poor and imbecile rich 1260733;1441248253;asciilifeform;these form the 'mcfood' and 'hippie' segments respectively. 1260734;1441248331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only redistyributive taxation can create this situation where they who should be rich think they're somehow poor, and the poor wear alternatively idiot and imbecile clothes. 1260735;1441248378;asciilifeform;however created, this is how it works. 1260736;1441248393;mircea_popescu;that article i did about "cheers", the sitcom is very illustrative. twerp in question imagines "class" as in, that ancient matter of a person's quality in society, is a matter of anointed. she thinks some vagabond is "high class" because she went to some school. 1260737;1441248394;trinque;my favorite alt-food crackpottery is the gluten free thing 1260738;1441248397;*;pete_dushenski just had a moment imagining taxation that wasn't ~distributive~ but actually for summun bonum 1260739;1441248403;trinque;you check the nutrition label and it has nothing in it 1260740;1441248404;asciilifeform;i've never seen anything else in my entire adult life. all of the other variants of human organization may as well be ancient rome, for all the personal experience i have of them. 1260741;1441248418;trinque;granted a small percentage of people actually need it (celiacs, etc) 1260742;1441248425;trinque;but it's more "filler" than mcd's 1260743;1441248437;asciilifeform;trinque: were were these 'needers' in 1800 ? 1260744;1441248440;asciilifeform;*where 1260745;1441248449;mircea_popescu;trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending. 1260746;1441248454;trinque;I dunno, but I do know someone who shits blood when she eats bread 1260747;1441248462;mircea_popescu;so right now if you're a spanish speaker salt is white death still. 1260748;1441248464;asciilifeform;trinque: since birth ? 1260749;1441248467;trinque;yeah 1260750;1441248498;trinque;mircea_popescu: translating lol. I knew an Argentine chick; she did exactly this, and was supposed to be intellectual because of it 1260751;1441248507;mircea_popescu;and high class of course. 1260752;1441248521;mircea_popescu;(/me has known enough of the sort by noiw, to the degree he mostly points at their face and laughs) 1260753;1441248522;trinque;oh indeed, and loved american "rock and roll" from the 80s 1260754;1441248536;trinque;asciilifeform: shits blood and barfs with any wheat product 1260755;1441248544;asciilifeform;also mircea_popescu - what's it mean, 'think they're somehow poor' 1260756;1441248552;trinque;I half-suspect it's an autoimmune thing caused by not wheat, but something they had in the production thereof 1260757;1441248553;mircea_popescu;what you do, asciilifeform . 1260758;1441248562;asciilifeform;wtf, i'm actually poor 1260759;1441248576;mircea_popescu;right. 1260760;1441248581;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i developed gluten intolerance (not dissimilar to lactose intolerance as an experience) as an adult. why ? monsanto ? youthful rebellion against grain-growing ancestors ? who knows 1260761;1441248586;asciilifeform;having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc 1260762;1441248623;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this, as i understand, is typical. you can give yourself an intolerance for just about anything, by avoiding it 1260763;1441248645;asciilifeform;serious multi-decade vegetarians will have problems digesting meat (at least for a while) 1260764;1441248664;trinque;folks with celiacs will actually scar the lining of their intestines eating gluten 1260765;1441248669;mircea_popescu;the difference between the black slave of 1815 and the black freeman of 2015 is that the former actually thinks that, to paraphrase, ", you don't get to fuck the white mistress." 1260766;1441248670;mircea_popescu;well... 1260767;1441248689;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: oddly, my metabolism has worked in the reverse of that theory. ate it regularly, eventually 'had problems', now, few years on, can handle small amounts 1260768;1441248690;asciilifeform;trinque: again, where were they in 1800 ? 1260769;1441248703;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't know the mechanism, but I've seen the bloody shits. 1260770;1441248719;pete_dushenski;trinque: on instagram ? 1260771;1441248733;trinque;my fetishes are my business 1260772;1441248735;trinque;in person! 1260773;1441248739;mircea_popescu;you know, something not being known in 1800 is not automatic proof the something doesn't exist. 1260774;1441248740;asciilifeform;trinque: tell you what, we didn't have it in su either 1260775;1441248747;asciilifeform;trinque: nor autism 1260776;1441248752;pete_dushenski;aids 1260777;1441248760;trinque;again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point 1260778;1441248767;asciilifeform;^ 1260779;1441248772;trinque;perhaps the immune system gets irritated, marks the gluten instead of whatever else 1260780;1441248775;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but autism is an actual thing, or you disagree with the very notion ? 1260781;1441248777;trinque;or it and the other thing 1260782;1441248784;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is a thing, i saw it alive. 1260783;1441248788;mircea_popescu;aha. 1260784;1441248788;pete_dushenski;trinque: good chance it's correlation, yes 1260785;1441248935;mircea_popescu;trinque did person ever had homebaked bread ? 1260786;1441248936;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260761 << ftr. this is an abysmal a definition of 'poverty' as whatever gov metric, '>50% spent on room and board' or whatever 1260787;1441248936;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:49:46; asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc 1260788;1441248948;trinque;mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge. it'd be a good experiment 1260789;1441248956;mircea_popescu;if they're up to experimentation. 1260790;1441248964;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: very nearly 50 1260791;1441248977;trinque;she did also have an issue with lactose, had less trouble with that unpasteurized milk from the nearby farm 1260792;1441248995;trinque;all these diseases smack of "ate not-food most of my life" 1260793;1441248998;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: but moreover, 'poor' is a matter of emotion strictly. a brick cannot be poor. 1260794;1441249005;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: then you're only borderline ! gov says ! 1260795;1441249007;mod6;i agree with ascii; if you have to look at the price tags, you're not rich. 1260796;1441249009;asciilifeform;because brick has 100% of what he wants. 1260797;1441249030;asciilifeform;mod6: i will add, if you use an alarm clock, and don't have the option of stopping, you're not rich; 1260798;1441249031;pete_dushenski;mod6: such nonsense 1260799;1441249031;trinque;I dunno; prices are good information 1260800;1441249039;pete_dushenski;^ 1260801;1441249042;trinque;why would someone who knew enough about money to keep it ignore those 1260802;1441249050;asciilifeform;did not say 'ignore' 1260803;1441249058;asciilifeform;again, like the clock 1260804;1441249063;asciilifeform;rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. 1260805;1441249064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00069348 = 20.0416 BTC [+] 1260806;1441249072;mod6;not that they're not good info, or good signals in a market place. but if you go shopping and have to think about weather you can afford to buy something, you're not rich. 1260807;1441249079;trinque;yeah granted 1260808;1441249080;asciilifeform;he can set alarm clock, as mircea_popescu suggested, to watch a meteor shower. 1260809;1441249093;mod6;<+asciilifeform> rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. << yah, & alarm clock, job, et al. 1260810;1441249095;asciilifeform;but it is an ~option~ 1260811;1441249099;pete_dushenski;mod6: as if rich people don't weigh out costs and benefits ? 1260812;1441249102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you two are conflating at least three things. there is 1. "not having any ability to direct the course of public affairs, as encoded in "money" in this society" ; 2. "not having 1 and perceiving one should have it" ; 3. perceiving one should not have it. 1260813;1441249119;mircea_popescu;i agree you're poor as per 3. you like to claim it's as per 1. 1260814;1441249132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't give a tinker's damn per public affairs.. only sleep-ad-libitum. 1260815;1441249141;asciilifeform;these are 'packaged together', yes 1260816;1441249142;mircea_popescu;your ass is public property in this view. 1260817;1441249147;pete_dushenski;maybe i buy off-brand mac and cheese instead of 'kraft dinner', save $0.50, invest, be moar rich ! 1260818;1441249167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. 'money with which to buy back own arse' is, approximately, what 'rich' means in my mind. 1260819;1441249171;mircea_popescu;much like genitalia belong, indivise, to "the other gender" as a group 1260820;1441249187;mircea_popescu;yes but the problem with that worldview is that it makes absolutely no sense. 1260821;1441249205;mircea_popescu;you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property. 1260822;1441249234;mircea_popescu;and this is purely a subjective problem, no matter what it masquerades as. 1260823;1441249251;asciilifeform;more on account of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 1260824;1441249251;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. 1260825;1441249267;asciilifeform;if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club & take it. 1260826;1441249269;trinque;seems you can't own just your ass 1260827;1441249273;trinque;you have to own the context of the ass! 1260828;1441249276;asciilifeform;also need the nukes. 1260829;1441249285;mircea_popescu;trinque not if that tightly packed with other asses. 1260830;1441249310;mircea_popescu;his tragedy, and make no mistake alf is a true tragic figure, 1260831;1441249345;mircea_popescu;is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry. 1260832;1441249352;mircea_popescu;you are not, incidentally, the first to confront this., 1260833;1441249363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has, i think, separated the two ? 1260834;1441249368;asciilifeform;using cyclotron, perhaps 1260835;1441249370;asciilifeform;but separated. 1260836;1441249372;mircea_popescu;early men building up the us as an industrial power did want the part where maggotry allows them to run textile mills 1260837;1441249383;asciilifeform;taleb - separated. 1260838;1441249388;asciilifeform;it can be done. 1260839;1441249392;mircea_popescu;but they hated with burning passion the girls involved. which, i'm sure, in their worst nightmares sounded just like mats' bus linked above 1260840;1441249400;mircea_popescu;so they invented this incredibly contorted torture mechanism for them 1260841;1441249404;mircea_popescu;didn't do anything for either party. 1260842;1441249438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can not answer for taleb. i can tell you that as far as i'm concerned, a) my ass actually enjoys the company and b) my head actually doesn't much care about the industry. 1260843;1441249458;mircea_popescu;so my solution is merely lower temperature under the tragedy pot, nothing else. 1260844;1441249462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your roquefort is flown in on what, dragon? 1260845;1441249467;mircea_popescu;so ? 1260846;1441249470;asciilifeform;or mechanical flying machine 1260847;1441249476;asciilifeform;product of what, if not industry? 1260848;1441249485;asciilifeform;do i catastrophically fail to grasp this ...? 1260849;1441249487;mircea_popescu;and if i were in prison, i'd still have roquefort flown in, and it'd still be shared with some monkeys. 1260850;1441249487;trinque;this is kinda what I mean about something like "you're smart, take the shartups for all they're worth" 1260851;1441249490;mircea_popescu;and i still wouldn't mind. 1260852;1441249501;asciilifeform;trinque: the problem is that they are not worth much 1260853;1441249507;asciilifeform;trinque: if you are not among the annointed 1260854;1441249512;mircea_popescu;i stuffed more of the finest sturgeon roe into random women than anyone you know. 1260855;1441249515;trinque;I know a guy that makes like 120k building terrible web-pages 1260856;1441249516;mircea_popescu;what else is roquefort for ? 1260857;1441249523;trinque;I bet Galois pays more 1260858;1441249527;asciilifeform;trinque: i bet he works a full shift 1260859;1441249533;asciilifeform;ON FUCKNG OTHERRPEOPLESCODE 1260860;1441249537;trinque;nah he farts around and drinks 1260861;1441249542;asciilifeform;it's like eating other people's shit 1260862;1441249546;asciilifeform;if you had to eat shit, 1260863;1441249551;asciilifeform;wouldtcha rather eat own shit? 1260864;1441249552;trinque;I dunno I have a sense of humor about it 1260865;1441249553;mircea_popescu;tragic figure. 1260866;1441249555;trinque;"oh my god, smell this" 1260867;1441249561;trinque;ben_vulpes: ^ 1260868;1441249707;asciilifeform;trinque: btw i will mention that there was a time when i was out of work and starving, and tried to do all kinds of things. the normal corporate folks could tell what kind of animal i was from ten minutes' conversation and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole. 1260869;1441249710;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/464ce498c71465cd582fba778a055a3c/tumblr_nb6dz6VqO71rxt77ao9_1280.jpg 1260870;1441249711;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMniRc ) 1260871;1441249724;asciilifeform;trinque: i even once applied for enslavement at nsa ! 1260872;1441249726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you know this ? 1260873;1441249743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel 1260874;1441249759;mircea_popescu;that what, "this guy is too independent thinker to hire" ? 1260875;1441249771;trinque;what's the islamic concept re: lying to enemies? 1260876;1441249777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not in quite these words 1260877;1441249786;mircea_popescu;but in substance ? 1260878;1441249787;asciilifeform;aha 1260879;1441249810;mats;'taqiyya'? 1260880;1441249812;asciilifeform;'has never done anything but r&d, will run away after nanosecond when gets a chance' 1260881;1441249817;trinque;mats: that's the one 1260882;1441249817;*;mircea_popescu wishes he'd have the poetic skill of at least a tolstoy, to write The Story of Alf, 1260883;1441249821;asciilifeform;l0l 1260884;1441249822;mircea_popescu;a great tragedy it'd be too 1260885;1441249843;asciilifeform;trinque: if i were any good at lying, i would already be working as a professional liar. considering that i live in the world's capital for these 1260886;1441249855;mircea_popescu;why do you suck at lying ? 1260887;1441249857;asciilifeform;or at least in hollywood. 1260888;1441249866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idk, why do i suck at ping-pong ? 1260889;1441249885;mircea_popescu;that is probably because you overcompensate. 1260890;1441249904;mircea_popescu;"too tight, trying too hard" etc in parlance. 1260891;1441249913;asciilifeform;what i really suck at is socializing with generic humans without wanting to eat a bullet almost immediately 1260892;1441249936;mats;such drama 1260893;1441249949;mats;truly deserving of a screenplay 1260894;1441249976;mircea_popescu;how come ? no curiosity ? 1260895;1441249997;asciilifeform;same reason why most people don't relish chimp cage 1260896;1441250013;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1260897;1441250014;asciilifeform;if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve. 1260898;1441250022;mircea_popescu;people fucking pay to be around the chimp cage 1260899;1441250027;asciilifeform;but not in. 1260900;1441250030;asciilifeform;important difference. 1260901;1441250038;asciilifeform;they ~would~ - do - pay to avoid being locked in. 1260902;1441250049;asciilifeform;entire u.s. real estate racket is based on this fact. 1260903;1441250059;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260777 << http://www.wwtdd.com/2014/05/gluten-was-just-fucking-with-you/ 1260904;1441250059;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point 1260905;1441250061;assbot;Gluten Was Just Fucking With You – ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMnHTQ ) 1260906;1441250066;mircea_popescu;is this "not having the circuitry" anything akin to "i cnat spael, i'm an artistic type" ? 1260907;1441250082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's more like 'i can't walk, had polio' 1260908;1441250097;trinque;I dunno; you don't have to subscribe to their newsletter to talk 1260909;1441250101;mircea_popescu;well if you feel like writing about this polio sometime i'll read it. 1260910;1441250110;trinque;consider the person a specimen and ask questions 1260911;1441250113;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260690 << i like how mircea_popescu comes back to this image. makes me often privately wonder if he did a tour of duty as an undertaker when young man 1260912;1441250113;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:23:45; mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead. 1260913;1441250164;asciilifeform;(there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field) 1260914;1441250172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is in bad taste to kill people but be unfamiliar with the body's path through this world. much like eating cream but never having milked a cow, or eating meat but never having hunted, and so forth. 1260915;1441250178;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: yup aside from celiacs it's bullshit 1260916;1441250199;mircea_popescu;the point is made in passing in that discussion of rabbit killing. 1260917;1441250223;asciilifeform;orwell had a piece concerning this, somewhere 1260918;1441250238;asciilifeform;'pacifist eats plenty of death but never cooks any himself' 1260919;1441250244;mircea_popescu;aha. 1260920;1441250246;asciilifeform;something to that effect 1260921;1441250510;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches. 1260922;1441250510;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 03:14:19; assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point 1260923;1441250518;asciilifeform;too much roach ppm. 1260924;1441250521;asciilifeform;in said product. 1260925;1441250578;asciilifeform;(he would not do well in a ru flat. but allergy is really something you develop from hyper-hygienic conditions anyway. a man with roach allergy was an impossible thing where i come from) 1260926;1441250660;mircea_popescu;you had cockroaches ?! in fucking russia ?! 1260927;1441250663;asciilifeform;aha 1260928;1441250681;asciilifeform;well, in what is now the land of the ukrs 1260929;1441250696;mircea_popescu;that's... mindblowing. 1260930;1441250701;asciilifeform;but it would be a mistake to suppose that they are absent from the northern latitudes 1260931;1441250706;*;mircea_popescu had never seen a cockroach in the flesh before going to costa rica 1260932;1441250713;asciilifeform;vermin follow man around, for as long as he heats his home 1260933;1441250726;mircea_popescu;had serious problems overcoming the mild curiosity. i don't see them as THAT much of a pest yet actually. 1260934;1441250727;asciilifeform;no roaches in ro?!! 1260935;1441250740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had never ever seen one. 1260936;1441250743;*;asciilifeform floored 1260937;1441250745;mircea_popescu;i had seen a rat, once. 1260938;1441250759;mircea_popescu;but it was more like a wilderness sighting of wonder than anything. 1260939;1441250771;mircea_popescu;i didn't know anyone who had seen one. 1260940;1441250773;asciilifeform;where i live now, rat is no less a thing than in any medieval town, i imagine. 1260941;1441250803;mircea_popescu;i think maybe transylvania is not warm enough 1260942;1441250808;asciilifeform;they are also titanically large 1260943;1441250817;mircea_popescu;tho dc is iirc even further north 1260944;1441250827;asciilifeform;we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels 1260945;1441250839;asciilifeform;(both can do either, clearly, but 'specialty') 1260946;1441250877;asciilifeform;in my old flat i made use of a very spiffy kind of trap, true marvel of engineering, 1260947;1441250886;asciilifeform;sorta like a miniature electric chair 1260948;1441250887;asciilifeform;for rat. 1260949;1441250909;asciilifeform;triggered by capacitance change in the floor grid (tubular-shaped vessel) 1260950;1441250919;asciilifeform;early versions had a charge on the grid at all times, 1260951;1441250921;asciilifeform;and caught nothing. 1260952;1441250930;asciilifeform;(student exercise: describe ~why~.) 1260953;1441250961;mircea_popescu;oh and acutally, the first time i EVER encountered a rodent as a domicile pest (of exactly three times total) is, iirc, on my blog somewhere. 1260954;1441250968;mircea_popescu;coupla supercute mice in cairo apt. 1260955;1441250983;*;asciilifeform had mice, by the dozen 1260956;1441251017;asciilifeform;the most objectionable, imho, thing about mice, is the stream of shit they leave behind 1260957;1441251045;asciilifeform;if it were not for this, might be difficult in a modern flat (with no sacks of grain to lose, etc) to even notice them. 1260958;1441251071;asciilifeform;the mice infuriated me because they reminded me so much of human vermin. 1260959;1441251090;asciilifeform;who also make it impossible to ignore themselves 1260960;1441251109;asciilifeform;i remember the last two mice very well 1260961;1441251124;asciilifeform;clubbed them to death personally, with crowbar. 1260962;1441251128;asciilifeform;right in the kitchen 1260963;1441251176;asciilifeform;(they were injured by a trap, but still somehow running, at half pace) 1260964;1441251178;trinque;my cat came home bloody today, must've killed some rodent or another 1260965;1441251188;asciilifeform;vitamin m ! 1260966;1441251189;trinque;wasn't his blood 1260967;1441251221;asciilifeform;i tried once to keep a cat, in the old flat. he did not like it, escaped, tunneled through a grate and never seen again. 1260968;1441251264;trinque;yeah, I let mine out; got him from somebody on craigslist in the woods in TX 1260969;1441251283;trinque;they're fine animals if you let them do what they're made for: climbing trees and murdering smaller animals 1260970;1441251293;asciilifeform;aha. cat belongs in the wild. 1260971;1441251311;trinque;otherwise they turn into that sad window-gazing bastard that jumps at every noise 1260972;1441251330;asciilifeform;the cats which orbit my current dwelling are almost ideal. 1260973;1441251340;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment ! 1260974;1441251340;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 00:52:58; mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!" 1260975;1441251342;trinque;people ask me if I feed him enough. of fucking course I do; that's just a cat with muscle, not blubber 1260976;1441251355;asciilifeform;they destroy vermin, and ornament the windows, trees. and, very rarely, will allow themselves to be petted. 1260977;1441251405;trinque;yep 1260978;1441251406;asciilifeform;trinque: when i moved to usa, i was initially puzzled why various animals were mis-shapen 1260979;1441251419;asciilifeform;cat was fully 2-3x the size of 'cat' in my mind 1260980;1441251422;trinque;because they're bought to be furniture 1260981;1441251423;asciilifeform;ditto other creatures 1260982;1441251424;trinque;dogs too 1260983;1441251429;asciilifeform;i remember seeing a guinea pig 1260984;1441251450;asciilifeform;my mother's lab had them, and my folks kept one as a pet for a spell, back home. it was small, ratlike animal 1260985;1441251458;asciilifeform;in usa - almost lives up to its name, a pig. 1260986;1441251466;asciilifeform;turned out, they feed'em corn. 1260987;1441251476;asciilifeform;(or similar, processed feed) here. 1260988;1441251562;asciilifeform;say what you like about the americans, but they are consistent in all things. 1260989;1441251570;asciilifeform;the same thing is done to man and beast alike. 1260990;1441251591;trinque;lol 1260991;1441251594;trinque;corn for all gods creatures 1260992;1441251607;trinque;remarkably similar result in each case 1260993;1441251608;asciilifeform;even dog, somehow, is made to eat it. 1260994;1441251615;trinque;that's sad 1260995;1441251624;trinque;I feed animals meant to eat meat... MEAT! 1260996;1441251642;asciilifeform;at least cat can run off and find, sometimes, his own meat 1260997;1441251645;asciilifeform;dog is stuck. 1260998;1441251646;ben_vulpes;trinque: is clearly not buying the nice frozen stuff. 1260999;1441251664;trinque;I buy the primo shit from Meat on Burnside 1261000;1441251670;ben_vulpes;nowai 1261001;1441251673;trinque;yar 1261002;1441251682;ben_vulpes;kg/wk? 1261003;1441251992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12253 @ 0.00069297 = 8.491 BTC [-] 1261004;1441252236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15395 @ 0.00069348 = 10.6761 BTC [+] 1261005;1441252597;ben_vulpes;and lol can anyone actually drive to your place from the depot in less than two hours? 1261006;1441252599;ben_vulpes;!up assbot 1261007;1441252600;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the nearest spot that has this is the baltimore sector. ask diametric about it. 1261008;1441252603;asciilifeform;iirc he used it. 1261009;1441252615;pete_dushenski;"Amazon Prime Now - Skip the Trip. One-Hour Delivery." 1261010;1441252617;asciilifeform;delivered milk, eggs even. 1261011;1441252630;ben_vulpes;achtung logreaders! 1261012;1441252646;ben_vulpes;the correct solution here is drive-by order pickup on arterials. 1261013;1441252653;ben_vulpes;"shop all day, pick it up on your way home!" 1261014;1441252663;asciilifeform;l0l that would be ideal here. 1261015;1441252665;pete_dushenski;!chuy 1261016;1441252671;pete_dushenski;!s chuy 1261017;1441252671;assbot;0 results for 'chuy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chuy 1261018;1441252671;asciilifeform;but inescapably reminds me of the east asian piss-motorcycles 1261019;1441252674;ben_vulpes;i know! 1261020;1441252689;ben_vulpes;wait, piss-cycle? 1261021;1441252694;asciilifeform;(piss-men drive between cars in, e.g, shanghai, with jars, will let you piss for a coin) 1261022;1441252695;pete_dushenski;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33978116 << and i thought i was hairy-(ish) 1261023;1441252697;assbot;The struggles of the world's hairiest family - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCByLB ) 1261024;1441252785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26640 @ 0.00069348 = 18.4743 BTC [+] 1261025;1441252858;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you 1261026;1441252859;assbot;Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG ) 1261027;1441252887;*;asciilifeform idly wonders how many of these he had found 1261028;1441252939;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260068 <<< what did ya change? 1261029;1441252939;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 21:39:46; BingoBoingo: Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa 1261030;1441252969;BingoBoingo;cazalla: removed some things that don't get used 1261031;1441253000;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, didja ever get v-stator to build ? 1261032;1441253039;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a sense of how much sense the thing made to folks 1261033;1441253080;ben_vulpes;well i've not parsed v in its entirety into my head yet, and after bitcoin i'm loath to run software that doesn't fit in my head. 1261034;1441253097;asciilifeform;bitcoin fit in your head ?!! 1261035;1441253103;*;asciilifeform takes off hat 1261036;1441253108;ben_vulpes;no no! 1261037;1441253117;ben_vulpes;it's software that i must run that does not fit in my head! 1261038;1441253135;ben_vulpes;idem gpg, client braindamage... 1261039;1441253141;asciilifeform;anyway ben_vulpes is in luck, because i invented a marvellous pill for folks who had trouble fitting v in head 1261040;1441253145;asciilifeform;.. 1261041;1441253147;asciilifeform;rewrite it. 1261042;1441253155;asciilifeform;yes. 1261043;1441253155;ben_vulpes;haha 1261044;1441253162;asciilifeform;in system of your choice. 1261045;1441253172;asciilifeform;(befunge, if you like. qbasic. whatever.) 1261046;1441253179;ben_vulpes;so why python and not cl, out of curiosity? 1261047;1441253192;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: partly because there is no handy gpg callout lib for cl 1261048;1441253199;pete_dushenski;bon soir! 1261049;1441253206;ben_vulpes;hm. 1261050;1441253211;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: partly because cl is a 'heavy' runtime and not fit for use as a 'run ten times a minute' shell script 1261051;1441253221;asciilifeform;it is a reluctant immigrant to unix 1261052;1441253233;asciilifeform;wants to own the machine. 1261053;1441253237;asciilifeform;(as it should) 1261054;1441253251;asciilifeform;'python' on the other hand is more like a less-carcinogenic perl. 1261055;1441253262;*;asciilifeform was originally writing whole thing in sed and awk. 1261056;1441253283;*;asciilifeform has written his lifetime allotment of perl. 1261057;1441253355;asciilifeform;anyway, the advice was meant quite seriously. rewrite it. 1261058;1441253360;asciilifeform;it is very plain what the thing does. 1261059;1441253371;asciilifeform;and ben_vulpes is quite likely to do a cleaner job of it than i 1261060;1441253480;asciilifeform;bonus points if you can do it in some abomination abhorrent to men and gods, like applescript or the like 1261061;1441253495;asciilifeform;(provided that it works precisely as the original) 1261062;1441253512;asciilifeform;do it in... forth 1261063;1441253521;asciilifeform;this can be a kind of pons asinorum for masochists. 1261064;1441254175;BingoBoingo; now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really. 1261065;1441254271;BingoBoingo; http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you << ty 1261066;1441254271;assbot;Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG ) 1261067;1441254585;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform takes off hat << To inspect in head? 1261068;1441255347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00070305 = 26.1886 BTC [+] {4} 1261069;1441255404;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: more lines is all you can be guaranteed of. 1261070;1441255486;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not? 1261071;1441255833;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259663 << this sounds eerily familiar 1261072;1441255833;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 12:17:28; assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn ) 1261073;1441255977;ag3nt_zer0;good evening... 1261074;1441255999;ben_vulpes;buenos noches 1261075;1441256311;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 << there's this mine in romania... 1261076;1441256312;assbot;Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 ) 1261077;1441256324;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: eerily familiar too? 1261078;1441256329;thestringpuller;to* 1261079;1441256351;ben_vulpes;some other 15 year old bitcoin wizard however long ago 1261080;1441256353;trinque;ben_vulpes: "doesn't own the machine" sounds to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure" 1261081;1441256399;ben_vulpes;how is /etc/hosts a cl data structure? 1261082;1441256517;trinque;presumably on a lisp machine it would be some data structure in some system 1261083;1441256533;phf;eh, no 1261084;1441256552;phf;common lisp specification is written in a such a way that you don't need to know anything about the outside world to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation 1261085;1441256553;trinque;*lisp OS, I meant 1261086;1441256566;trinque;phf: and if that useful computation is DNS? 1261087;1441256584;trinque;I was addressing "own the machine" not CL 1261088;1441256596;phf;trinque: yeah, i'm also talking about owning the machine 1261089;1441256638;trinque;so answer the question. where would a lookup table like /etc/hosts go if the system were completely made of lisp? 1261090;1441256665;trinque;I'm feeling around in the dark, would love to know 1261091;1441256672;phf;trinque: that's not a particularly interesting question 1261092;1441256686;phf;but there's a pathname spec that lets your implementation answer that question for you 1261093;1441256719;*;trinque rolls his eyes 1261094;1441256721;ben_vulpes;> pathname spec 1261095;1441256724;ben_vulpes;> dns resolutino 1261096;1441256741;trinque;apparently in pure lispland you'd never once DNS 1261097;1441256746;trinque;mkay 1261098;1441256755;ben_vulpes;cl is such a delightfully crazy mindset 1261099;1441256756;ben_vulpes;nono 1261100;1441256763;ben_vulpes;the impl handls the dns parts of pathnames 1261101;1441256766;phf;why you write your dns of course in lisp 1261102;1441256769;ben_vulpes;it's just a file on a server somewhere mang 1261103;1441256797;trinque;both missing the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live 1261104;1441256802;trinque;not where the actual fucking thing lives today 1261105;1441256822;ben_vulpes;setq an alist that shit you care about uses to look things up? 1261106;1441256827;*;ben_vulpes is not a lisper 1261107;1441256828;trinque;yeah, that's what I said 1261108;1441256856;ben_vulpes;phf: one day i'll find an interesting question, i swear 1261109;1441256859;trinque;like for example in unixland you say "you make a file" for every question 1261110;1441256895;phf;ben_vulpes: alright, that was an unfair comment, but i was trying to say that the focus is wrong. 1261111;1441256910;trinque;presumably various aspects of actual hardware state would also be represented as data structures in lisp 1261112;1441256926;ben_vulpes;trinque: imagine nic internals as clos objects 1261113;1441256933;trinque;whereas you find that in /sys or /dev on linux 1261114;1441256947;ben_vulpes;*nic* 1261115;1441256948;trinque;or via some call 1261116;1441256952;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah that'd be hot 1261117;1441256973;*;trinque still wants his purely functional firewall thinger 1261118;1441256976;ben_vulpes;what's the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways 1261119;1441256994;trinque;not much I guess 1261120;1441256999;trinque;filesystem is a big farty key-value store 1261121;1441257009;ben_vulpes;and WE HATE KV STORES 1261122;1441257021;phf;you have to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on the first execution of (main) 1261123;1441257045;trinque;yeah hosts was my pick because it's easy to see it being interesting globally 1261124;1441257072;phf;trinque: hosts file would most likely be still implemented as a filesystem file 1261125;1441257081;trinque;b-but, why 1261126;1441257090;trinque;where's the fundamentalism in that 1261127;1441257124;phf;your filesystem is implemented in lisp? 1261128;1441257160;trinque;maybe the filesystem is just a giant swapfile 1261129;1441257161;phf;but your file manipulation dictionary is speced out to be a somewhat conventional tree like file/directory thing 1261130;1441257223;cazalla;mircea_popescu, check it out, aussie artist making a mockery of your countrymen :P http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/dancing-with-costica-brisbane-artist-creates-buzz/6746014 1261131;1441257223;assbot;Dancing with Costica: Brisbane artist creates buzz with digitally-colourised glass plate photos - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZrPSL ) 1261132;1441257342;phf;trinque: anyway, the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's the fact that you can't separate python semantics from the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms 1261133;1441257427;trinque;ah I see; we were talking completely at crossways then 1261134;1441257437;phf;there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and to a very significant part the details of the underlying unix 1261135;1441257439;phf;yes :) 1261136;1441257441;trinque;right, python is very much involved with unixisms 1261137;1441257465;ben_vulpes;trinque: examples of unixisms deeply rooted in python? 1261138;1441257476;ben_vulpes;("how's the water today, boys?" "water?!") 1261139;1441257521;trinque;ah well maybe more broadly than that; it's gonna be a system you can run c stuff, open files, do socket io, etc 1261140;1441257532;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260077 << this has not escaped my notice and has blown my tiny mind 1261141;1441257532;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 21:45:32; ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end 1261142;1441257595;trinque;https://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html << like this guy's just unix socket programming like you'd do in C 1261143;1441257596;assbot;17.2. socket — Low-level networking interface — Python 2.7.10 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZstQ7 ) 1261144;1441257604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15728 @ 0.00069815 = 10.9805 BTC [-] 1261145;1441257608;trinque;wraps the thing rather closely 1261146;1441257633;phf;ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why that would be a controversial point. how does something like trig functions work in python? they don't, they are a call out to system level math library 1261147;1441257685;trinque;psycopg for db, yep, very common for python to just tape various C libraries together 1261148;1441257687;phf;same goes for sockets and file streams 1261149;1441257718;*;ben_vulpes makes various gestures of distress 1261150;1441257818;phf;i write way more python then lisp, there i said it 1261151;1441257848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.000703 = 4.7453 BTC [+] 1261152;1441257924;trinque;don't we all :( 1261153;1441257937;ben_vulpes;not davout 1261154;1441257963;trinque;so ask me what holds the screen onto this X1 CARBON 1261155;1441257966;trinque;go ahead 1261156;1441257970;ben_vulpes;and not, to hit the other end of the spectrum, gabriel_laddel 1261157;1441257977;ben_vulpes;trinque: cat hair? 1261158;1441257980;trinque;fucking plastic 1261159;1441257982;trinque;just broke 1261160;1441257989;ben_vulpes;hahahaha 1261161;1441257997;ben_vulpes;this 'macbook' is zamac. 1261162;1441258028;trinque;carbon fiber they said 1261163;1441258044;trinque;shit gum and duct tape 1261164;1441258047;ben_vulpes;i ripped a part of the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun two weekends back 1261165;1441258055;mats;https://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/internetgiants/GatesTidalWave.pdf 1261166;1441258057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZtmrV ) 1261167;1441258074;ben_vulpes;straight up fractured and popped out. not even deformation: catastrophic fracture propagation. 1261168;1441258078;ben_vulpes;trinque: no fibers even? 1261169;1441258102;trinque;this is where the hinge attaches to the screen 1261170;1441258105;trinque;all plastic 1261171;1441258117;trinque;nice strong metal hinge; that part's still doing great 1261172;1441258117;ben_vulpes;frame probably has a few strands of cf 1261173;1441258135;ben_vulpes;for show 1261174;1441258258;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260178 << the mythical software company pulls in vastly more revenue than it takes to tame the complexity of producing the revenue. 1261175;1441258258;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it. 1261176;1441258271;phf;i thought consensus here was that real computers only come in atx tower cases 1261177;1441258283;ben_vulpes;by virtue of writing the crud once and driving oodles of business through it. 1261178;1441258429;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras? 1261179;1441258429;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 22:47:11; pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error 1261180;1441258429;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1261181;1441258586;trinque;phf: yeah, this is mostly a mobile terminal 1261182;1441258590;trinque;and a piece of shit one at that 1261183;1441258597;trinque;I'll never purchase another Lenovo product 1261184;1441258670;phf;my colleague has been telling me that x1 carbon is the best laptop. in fact he's been trashing my mbp over it 1261185;1441258740;trinque;maybe he treats his better 1261186;1441258748;phf;he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on this laptop, now that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and then removing ~~200 screws that attach the keyboard to the frame. 1261187;1441258751;trinque;I had a 2007 black macbook that lasted 7-8 years 1261188;1441258763;phf;"this is my laptop. there are many like it" 1261189;1441258846;ben_vulpes;i dont know why anyone would treat an apple product as anything but a disposable terminal 1261190;1441258860;ben_vulpes;nice terms tho 1261191;1441258867;trinque;I doused elderbook (as it came to be called) with beer, coffee, god knows what else 1261192;1441258872;trinque;dropped down stairs twice 1261193;1441258879;trinque;carpeted, luckily 1261194;1441258884;trinque;but that thing was a tank 1261195;1441258894;trinque;felt the same way about a pentium 3 thinkpad I had 1261196;1441258942;phf;ben_vulpes: i'm having a hard time finding a better laptop including later mbp models, which have gone downhill even more 1261197;1441258964;trinque;I don't get the sense that Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it 1261198;1441258982;mats;2012 mbp is last good mbp 1261199;1441258995;trinque;the "retina" was a piece of shit 1261200;1441258998;trinque;had that, smashed it 1261201;1441259004;ben_vulpes;great displays though 1261202;1441259015;trinque;I am a barbarian, can't be trusted with delicate things 1261203;1441259015;ben_vulpes;things are cookies these days, granted. 1261204;1441259026;ben_vulpes;$bizpartner got the new delicate thing 1261205;1441259034;phf;i think i have the last matte mbp screen, which is another thing 1261206;1441259045;ben_vulpes;matte! 1261207;1441259047;*;ben_vulpes swoons 1261208;1441259080;ben_vulpes;i have an mbp, 15", only took it out to play eulora once and a while because i got ubuntu on it waaay ways ago 1261209;1441259085;ben_vulpes;still way fast 1261210;1441259131;ben_vulpes;has giant haring stickers on it 1261211;1441259153;mats;i had some play time with a 'surface pro 3' and it was p good 1261212;1441259160;phf;no hackathon stickers? ;) 1261213;1441259166;ben_vulpes;what the fuck is wrong with you mats 1261214;1441259176;mats;would own if it was $500 new 1261215;1441259184;ben_vulpes;five 1261216;1441259190;ben_vulpes;tool 1261217;1441259191;ben_vulpes;i 1261218;1441259211;mats;you hate me 1261219;1441259221;trinque;ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has the right idea; just stack up old thinkpads 1261220;1441259234;trinque;go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out the window 1261221;1441259239;phf;a github sticker, a "vegan" sticker, a random hackathon sticker, an "anarchist" sticker and your startup's logo 1261222;1441259253;trinque;the startup logo corner tends to stack up 1261223;1441259290;trinque;mats: what does the keyboard feel like? 1261224;1441259327;trinque;and when do we get actual products again? 1261225;1441259329;trinque;2070? 1261226;1441259383;mats;its decently responsive and I like the action 1261227;1441259405;mats;not good on the lap 1261228;1441259434;BingoBoingo; I'll never purchase another Lenovo product << try the X1?0e education series. Cheap AMD options available and honest tough plastic for those damned kids. 1261229;1441259479;trinque;maybe so 1261230;1441259485;trinque;http://lifehacker.com/5524704/laptop-reliability-study-highlights-the-most-sturdy-laptop-makers << this is fucking pathetic 1261231;1441259486;assbot;Laptop-Reliability Study Highlights the Most Sturdy Laptop Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZvDmT ) 1261232;1441259534;phf;i got a refurbished x61, it arrived with a broken fan, literally boots into "fan error" message 1261233;1441259704;phf;BingoBoingo: does it run openbsd fine? 1261234;1441259716;mats;I have a hard time justifying dropping ~1450 on a 13in MBA with 8gb or I would be on the aapl train 1261235;1441259741;trinque;apple's a scam these days too 1261236;1441259752;mats;not everyone can be ben_moneybags with the dedicated eulora mbp 1261237;1441259943;phf;(and what i mean by fine is video card, wifi and suspend to ram) 1261238;1441259961;BingoBoingo;phf: My 120e does with a different wifi card 1261239;1441260049;BingoBoingo;phf: Also I end up having to replace the fan annually, but probably because I take it out to smoke cigarettes with me. 1261240;1441260097;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260443 <<< http://i.imgur.com/q9inT6v.jpg 1261241;1441260097;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 00:51:01; mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro". 1261242;1441260098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hBs61m ) 1261243;1441260378;trinque;that internalization of feminist bullshit is disgusting 1261244;1441260387;*;trinque waits for the portland morality police to cart him off 1261245;1441260410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00070331 = 21.5565 BTC [+] {3} 1261246;1441261751;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "concerns... oughta concern" 1261247;1441261842;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Where? 1261248;1441261861;mircea_popescu;latest article 1261249;1441261866;mircea_popescu;on qntra. last para. 1261250;1441261873;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261074 << the night is female i'll have you know. 1261251;1441261873;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 04:53:19; ben_vulpes: buenos noches 1261252;1441262006;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261120 << this is actually a good point huh. 1261253;1441262006;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 05:09:59; trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store 1261254;1441262021;mircea_popescu;there's no "directories" in any other sense than key prefixes. 1261255;1441262061;trinque;yup, that's how I look at it 1261256;1441262065;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746126-3x2-700x467.jpg << compare the original with the "colorized". what all has changed ? yes, derpy "color". what else ? 1261257;1441262066;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQbJN ) 1261258;1441262082;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sentence was a mess, should be fixed, also not the latest article 1261259;1441262082;mircea_popescu;how has the adult looking 15 yo girl in the original turned into a retarded looking adult in the "upgrade " ? 1261260;1441262117;mircea_popescu;Lalomita County Museum << it's Ialomita ftr. 1261261;1441262147;BingoBoingo;Colorizarion always renders the serious derpy because people can't compose color the right way 1261262;1441262156;mircea_popescu;http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746094-3x2-700x467.jpg << check it out it's a fucking trend. how come the intelligent looking boy turned into ... whatever that is 1261263;1441262157;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQggq ) 1261264;1441262162;mircea_popescu;this is fucking sad. 1261265;1441262181;cazalla;mircea_popescu, she is an artist, and they're having an exhibition, and that's that! 1261266;1441262200;mircea_popescu;she's a tub of margerine, 1261267;1441262203;mircea_popescu;is what she is. 1261268;1441262231;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jesus-fixed.jpg 1261269;1441262232;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQft0 ) 1261270;1441262346;cazalla;"Ms Long said the feedback from the Romanian community had been overwhelming." 1261271;1441262359;cazalla;"If anyone had the right to be offended it would be the Romanian community and yet, it's the opposite" 1261272;1441262387;cazalla;i thought the man playing the fiddle was the most cringe worthy of them all fwiw 1261273;1441262428;mircea_popescu;im not fucking offended. i just think she's stupid. 1261274;1441262430;mircea_popescu;there's a difference. 1261275;1441262464;mircea_popescu;or wait, did little miss margerine tub think photochopping is somehow controversial and ima hate a pelican ? 1261276;1441262699;thestringpuller;http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad? 1261277;1441263265;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1261278;1441263269;gribble;Current Blocks: 372789 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 170 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1261279;1441263304;fluffypony;lol thestringpuller 1261280;1441263305;fluffypony;our Internet is reasonably good, it's just expensive 1261281;1441263334;fluffypony;I have wireless to a fibre base station on a highsite, so latency is pretty low, 10mbps down / 1.5mbps up 1261282;1441263340;fluffypony;and that costs ~$112 a month 1261283;1441263729;BingoBoingo;http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423437/kermit-the-frog-new-girlfriend-denise-thin-miss-piggy 1261284;1441263730;assbot;Kermit's New 'Girlfriend' Denise Is Thin, Feminists Outraged | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRlF5 ) 1261285;1441263817;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/03/10f56ed378c096c97d61a96902ab5619.jpg 1261286;1441263818;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRng9 ) 1261287;1441264000;*;mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS 1261288;1441264015;mircea_popescu;leaving aside all the "need id to buy phone card" nonsense, this is just too out there. wtf 1261289;1441264187;cazalla;you can buy them ready activated on gumtree (craigslist) with cash anyway if need be 1261290;1441264300;mircea_popescu;they'll still charge for incoming 1261291;1441264437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27978 @ 0.00070313 = 19.6722 BTC [-] 1261292;1441264805;fluffypony;when I was there in November I got a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile for $80 for a month 1261293;1441264813;fluffypony;and that was unlimited everything (calls / SMS / data) 1261294;1441264855;mircea_popescu;ima have it lookt into thx 1261295;1441264920;fluffypony;http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/individual.html# 1261296;1441264922;assbot;Cell Phone Plans | Cheap Cell Phone Plans & Unlimited Data | T-Mobile ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbSkVZ ) 1261297;1441264925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40191 @ 0.00069878 = 28.0847 BTC [-] {3} 1261298;1441264963;fluffypony;what's actually quite nice is that it also has unlimited SMS and unlimited data when roaming in 120 countries, BUT the roaming data speed is capped at 128kbps 1261299;1441264970;fluffypony;still good enough for email and messaging 1261300;1441265413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00070408 = 37.8443 BTC [+] {3} 1261301;1441265475;punkman;so much logz 1261302;1441265840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00069607 = 24.5713 BTC [-] {4} 1261303;1441265857;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 I've bought unpasteurized a few times but I just boil it at home 1261304;1441265857;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby 1261305;1441265938;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along? 1261306;1441265938;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 03:35:40; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment ! 1261307;1441266053;mircea_popescu;disposable, for the record, is in no way bad for the environment. it consists of mixing celulose pulp with human excrement and burrying it. this is a much better use than mixing cellulose pulp with pigments and then storing it on shelves. 1261308;1441266282;cazalla;i don't think good or bad for environment ever crossed my mind.. cannot buy cloth anywhere and tbh i don't fancy scraping the shit from them and couldn't sell the idea to missus 1261309;1441266323;cazalla;"but your mother did it this way, my mother did it this way, you should too!" 1261310;1441266407;mircea_popescu;not too hard to make your own disposable cloth diapers anyway. just buy some cheap metrage and cut it up. 1261311;1441266556;deedbot-;[Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-august-2015-statement/ 1261312;1441267728;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260944 << I have one that tunnels, I plug the hole (last time with concrete), he tunnels out again. Nobody has ever seen this rat and it's been years. 1261313;1441267728;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 03:27:07; asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels 1261314;1441267829;mircea_popescu;punkman : get a plumber's snake, a rag and gasoline. affix the rag to the bit, soak it, light it and shove it in as far as you can reach 1261315;1441267833;mircea_popescu;it rarely kills it but they move. 1261316;1441267889;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHynGQ9Vg30 1261317;1441267890;assbot;Whites Only? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECYY4E ) 1261318;1441267896;punkman;I have flooded it with water a few times 1261319;1441267903;mircea_popescu;that doesn't do anything 1261320;1441267906;mircea_popescu;natural phenomena 1261321;1441267962;mircea_popescu;fluffypony lmao, his hand doesn't properly reflect! 1261322;1441267974;fluffypony;heh heh 1261323;1441268016;punkman;hah 1261324;1441268031;mircea_popescu;in other news, i was today in an elevator which insistently stated that max weight = 150kg 1261325;1441268041;mircea_popescu;one of those old style things you see in 1950s french movies. 1261326;1441268071;mircea_popescu;i imagine the grief of couples in that building you know, they move in as 20somethings, can take it together 1261327;1441268074;mircea_popescu;then one year comes 1261328;1441268083;mircea_popescu;one sad, sad year, when the elevator won't start anymore 1261329;1441268088;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's the shopping bags". 1261330;1441268092;mircea_popescu;and for a while it is 1261331;1441268093;mircea_popescu;but then... 1261332;1441268402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.0006967 = 13.5857 BTC [+] 1261333;1441268414;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261041 << I'm gonna name my rewrite "vit" 1261334;1441268414;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 04:05:47; asciilifeform: rewrite it. 1261335;1441268429;cazalla;wouldn't the sign just go ignored? 1261336;1441269561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97450 @ 0.00070662 = 68.8601 BTC [+] {5} 1261337;1441269622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00070917 = 19.1121 BTC [+] {2} 1261338;1441270293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.00070918 = 48.3661 BTC [+] 1261339;1441270467;mircea_popescu;cazalla not like it starts overweight 1261340;1441270493;mircea_popescu;you can ignore it all you want, it'll ignore you right back 1261341;1441270518;mircea_popescu;and with that, tada! 1261342;1441271208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11019 @ 0.00070918 = 7.8145 BTC [+] 1261343;1441271269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19978 @ 0.00070948 = 14.174 BTC [+] {3} 1261344;1441271513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34402 @ 0.00071021 = 24.4326 BTC [+] {2} 1261345;1441272550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00070962 = 23.4175 BTC [-] 1261346;1441272977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00071134 = 53.5283 BTC [+] {5} 1261347;1441273526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00070862 = 5.2792 BTC [-] {3} 1261348;1441273587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50372 @ 0.00071511 = 36.0215 BTC [+] {4} 1261349;1441273967;punkman;http://www.cockroachlabs.com/about/ 1261350;1441273968;assbot;About | Cockroach Labs ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMZkVP ) 1261351;1441274075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00070746 = 31.4466 BTC [-] {3} 1261352;1441275234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29392 @ 0.00070565 = 20.7405 BTC [-] {4} 1261353;1441275295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122908 @ 0.00069224 = 85.0818 BTC [-] {5} 1261354;1441275539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32252 @ 0.0006876 = 22.1765 BTC [-] 1261355;1441277232;shinohai;Why do I feel like Forbes is trolling me? http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/02/windows-10-updates-u-turn/ 1261356;1441277233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD29U ) 1261357;1441277281;cazalla;fuck yeah straya http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/economic-growth-close-to-zero-as-living-standards-slip-20150902-gjdi0t.html "Had it not been for a surprise 41 per cent jump in government spending on defence equipment in the quarter, economic growth would have been zero." 1261358;1441277285;assbot;Economic growth close to zero as living standards slip ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD8OS ) 1261359;1441277430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00069976 = 14.4151 BTC [+] 1261360;1441277936;pete_dushenski;"Electricity generated by US wind farms fell 6 per cent in the first half of the year even as the nation expanded wind generation capacity by 9 per cent, Energy Information Administration records show." 1261361;1441277958;pete_dushenski;"The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities" 1261362;1441277968;pete_dushenski;"“We never anticipated a drop-off in the wind resource as we have witnessed over the past six months,” David Crane, chief executive of power producer NRG Energy, told analysts last month" 1261363;1441277978;pete_dushenski;lulz 1261364;1441278044;pete_dushenski;"we never anticipated that moore's law would've broken down in 2008 or that obama would be every bit as much of a monkey/terrorist as bush mk ii" 1261365;1441278054;pete_dushenski;etfc. 1261366;1441278173;pete_dushenski;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3218027/Place-order-iPad-pick-giant-vending-machine-fully-automated-restaurant-opens-San-Francisco-sells-superfood-Quinoa.html << take that, $15 min wageists 1261367;1441278174;assbot;First fully automated restaurant opens in San Francisco but it only sells Quinoa | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkTfLu ) 1261368;1441278293;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261178 << if my family friend, a mechanic at the local audi dealership, is to be believed, then yes. a quick web search didn't reveal any evidence to the contrary either. so let's chalk up vw's bravado in the 'crazy but true' category 1261369;1441278293;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 05:33:49; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras? 1261370;1441278368;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261305 << figuring out rotor, hell even pgp, was markedly more challenging. i'd put 'nappy 1261371;1441278368;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 07:38:58; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along? 1261372;1441278489;pete_dushenski;*i'd put 'nappy changing' up there with building basic lego designs in terms of difficulty 1261373;1441278670;cazalla;yes, but keep in mind changing the nappy of a stationary child is ezmode 1261374;1441278741;cazalla;gotta play through easy then normal before hard more with the mobile toddler who doesn't fancy doing what you want 1261375;1441278747;cazalla;hardmode even 1261376;1441278827;pete_dushenski;fair nuff 1261377;1441279101;pete_dushenski;"At least a few intrepid i3 REx owners have enthusiastically taken to coding their cars. A partial list of functions that can be added or modified with those updates includes: Allowing fuel tank to accept full capacity of 2.4 gallons, Adding suppressed European "hold battery charge" function, Enabling suppressed AM radio, Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone, Permitting video to be run from USB stora 1261378;1441279101;pete_dushenski;ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)" 1261379;1441279128;pete_dushenski;"The software that enables these functions is already present in U.S.-market BMW i3 vehicles. But it's suppressed in many cases, due to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) or California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations--or BMW North America's perception of consumer preferences." 1261380;1441279148;pete_dushenski;hakkerz ! 1261381;1441279230;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261378 < My favorite embedded hack: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ST_BASIC_-_J.R._Bob_Dobbs.gif 1261382;1441279230;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 11:18:21; pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)" 1261383;1441279231;assbot;File:ST BASIC - J.R. Bob Dobbs.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkUZVc ) 1261384;1441279243;pete_dushenski;ftr bmw i3 'rex' differs from regular i3 in its use of a 'range extender', not unlike that on the chevy volt 1261385;1441279313;pete_dushenski;shinohai: hehe neat. 1261386;1441279331;punkman;pete_dushenski: relevant http://www.prweb.com/releases/Total-Car-Diagnostics/improve-car-performance/prweb12825259.htm 1261387;1441279332;assbot;New Car Software Saves Users Thousands In Car Repairs by Hacking Cars to Run Better and Faster ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkV9fg ) 1261388;1441279390;pete_dushenski;punkman: not a bad idea to have your own obd-ii reader 1261389;1441279449;punkman;the tuning part is scary, I wonder if anyone has managed to explode his car 1261390;1441279554;shinohai;You guys remember those accel units from the 90's that let you do all that to your EFI ? 1261391;1441279613;shinohai;http://www.jegs.com/p/DFI/Accel-DFI-Thruster-EFI-Engine-Management-System/981841/10002/-1 1261392;1441279614;assbot;Accel-DFI Thruster EFI Engine Management System | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP996v ) 1261393;1441279626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00071555 = 22.4683 BTC [+] {2} 1261394;1441279767;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/learning/students/pop/20030110snapfriday.html 1261395;1441279768;assbot;Gentlemen, Start Hacking Your Engines ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP9Mge ) 1261396;1441279776;punkman;(2003) 1261397;1441279881;shinohai;heh thanx for that punkman. 1261398;1441279916;punkman;there are probably people doing this since the first car with microelectronics appeared 1261399;1441279970;pete_dushenski;and well before that. 1261400;1441279978;pete_dushenski;see 'rum runners special' 1261401;1441279983;shinohai;;) 1261402;1441279995;punkman;well you can't have software hacking when the car has no software 1261403;1441280018;pete_dushenski;you dun need software to 'hack' 1261404;1441280105;shinohai;My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car" 1261405;1441280156;pete_dushenski;modded cars used to transport liquor under the cover of darkness in the 1920s were the basis for stock car racing, which eventually led to 'nascar' 1261406;1441280201;shinohai;Sad to see that such a noble sport declined into nascar. 1261407;1441280395;pete_dushenski;i can't say i've ever been much for nascar, but enough of the tradition seems to have carried on, despite the distillation of the source into a platonic game 1261408;1441280451;pete_dushenski;it's still blue-collar yahoos trying to out-gun one another at >200 kph 1261409;1441280454;shinohai;I despise nascar. I live in the heart of it. 1261410;1441280503;pete_dushenski;s/200/300 (!) 1261411;1441280512;pete_dushenski;shinohai: what don't you like about it ? 1261412;1441280544;shinohai;It just bores me. I can't watch cars go in circle 2-3 hours. 1261413;1441280552;shinohai;Now I like road races. 1261414;1441280582;shinohai;I am more of a WRC tye. 1261415;1441280592;shinohai;*type 1261416;1441280673;pete_dushenski;see wrc cars themselves are epic machines, but the races neither work on tv or live 1261417;1441280686;pete_dushenski;whereas f1 only really works on tv and nascar only works live 1261418;1441280723;pete_dushenski;also add 'le mans' to only tv category 1261419;1441280724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67750 @ 0.00071249 = 48.2712 BTC [-] {2} 1261420;1441281315;shinohai;I like LeMans ok 1261421;1441281761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00071561 = 21.2894 BTC [+] 1261422;1441282301;shinohai;LOOOOOOL I missed this one: https://redd.it/3jgfd7 1261423;1441282303;assbot;I'm too stupid for bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPhWVK ) 1261424;1441282325;shinohai;Sorry, wrong link: https://redd.it/3jf9xy 1261425;1441282328;assbot;SECURITY ALERT: Bug in Go clients causing increase in difficulty. Mandatory update for miners asap; transacting users & exchanges unaffected : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPi2N9 ) 1261426;1441282737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00071161 = 32.5206 BTC [-] {2} 1261427;1441284262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00071183 = 18.1018 BTC [+] {2} 1261428;1441286921;jurov;pete_dushenski mats $genericreassurance $coinbrcomingbacksoon $sorryforinconvenience 1261429;1441287000;jurov;but really, my brain had meltdown trying to reconstruct what went down on mpex order book in that time :( 1261430;1441287498;pete_dushenski;jurov: hm. well, thanks for the update. mighta cost us a few shekels but nothing life changing. life goes on. 1261431;1441287678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61879 @ 0.00070488 = 43.6173 BTC [-] {3} 1261432;1441287683;*;shinohai needs to make time to investigate jurov 's site when it is back up. 1261433;1441287755;pete_dushenski;shinohai: coinbr is well designed 1261434;1441287928;jurov;but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball 1261435;1441287983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00070396 = 13.4808 BTC [-] 1261436;1441288015;pete_dushenski;i should clarify that 'well designed' means 'attractively designed' in this instance. i nfi about the hairball backend. 1261437;1441288058;jurov;now you mean what? the mermaid? 1261438;1441288086;pete_dushenski;sure, she's kinda cute ;/ 1261439;1441288106;pete_dushenski;more 'dashboard' and 'new order' interfaces 1261440;1441288149;pete_dushenski;i admit i'm not much for the coinbr graphs 1261441;1441288695;shinohai;tbh I would need a ton of research to know where to begin. 1261442;1441289231;thestringpuller;jurov: how goes the coinbr maintanence? 1261443;1441289325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00070396 = 23.0547 BTC [-] 1261444;1441289406;jurov;thestringpuller: it goes like rm -rf /, set on fire, salt the earth 1261445;1441289414;thestringpuller;:( 1261446;1441289418;thestringpuller;that bad huh? 1261447;1441289430;jurov;jk.. see log 1261448;1441289583;thestringpuller;lol your blog has funny mpex stories 1261449;1441290112;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa... 1261450;1441290112;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 07:06:40; *: mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS 1261451;1441290147;pete_dushenski;iirc he had samsung flip fone 1261452;1441290180;asciilifeform;i think it was hanbot, who had it 1261453;1441290212;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#830737 1261454;1441290212;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2014 13:47:32; mircea_popescu: to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it. 1261455;1441290232;asciilifeform;hm. 1261456;1441290237;asciilifeform;guess he does have one somewhere. 1261457;1441290301;asciilifeform;where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ? 1261458;1441290331;punkman;in europe 1261459;1441290352;asciilifeform;my phone charges fifty cents for ~incoming sms~ even. 1261460;1441290353;asciilifeform;each. 1261461;1441290366;davout;nutjobberry 1261462;1441290372;punkman;I haven't been to any eu countries that charge for incoming calls/sms 1261463;1441290377;punkman;maybe if you are roaming 1261464;1441290385;davout;punkman: yeah, only if roaming 1261465;1441290401;punkman;but no reason to roam when you can buy another sim at the airport when you land 1261466;1441290419;asciilifeform;if phone even takes sims 1261467;1441290425;asciilifeform;many american ones do not. 1261468;1441290432;davout;punkman: then you have the problems that go with a new number 1261469;1441290568;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth. 1261470;1441290568;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 06:44:59; thestringpuller: http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad? 1261471;1441290877;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i'd rather have bigger pipes to flush my shit down rather than the shit move away from my house faster. 1261472;1441291090;shinohai;https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2023/DEF%20CON%2023%20presentations/Lin%20Huang%20&%20Qing%20Yang/DEFCON-23-Lin-Huang-Qing-Yang-GPS-Spoofing.pdf 1261473;1441291125;shinohai;Sorry it is a stoopid slideshow 1261474;1441291400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41666 @ 0.00070535 = 29.3891 BTC [+] 1261475;1441291495;davout;thestringpuller: bigger pipers == more throughput for smell to come back up 1261476;1441291533;asciilifeform;^ this was actually a concern before the water lock was invented 1261477;1441291538;asciilifeform;(the bend in your sink, toilet) 1261478;1441291833;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I thought that bend was for when wife loses engagement ring while doing dishes... 1261479;1441292254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31087 @ 0.00070395 = 21.8837 BTC [-] {2} 1261480;1441292263;*;jurov somehow imagined boeings full of shit 1261481;1441292315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108663 @ 0.00070238 = 76.3227 BTC [-] {5} 1261482;1441292411;jurov;aka septic planes :) 1261483;1441292742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30892 @ 0.00069965 = 21.6136 BTC [-] {3} 1261484;1441293336;pete_dushenski;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/us-ww2-anniversary-china-xi-idUSKCN0R305P20150903 1261485;1441293337;assbot;China holds massive military parade, to cut troop levels by 300,000| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjpvB ) 1261486;1441293352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14087 @ 0.00069965 = 9.856 BTC [-] 1261487;1441293392;pete_dushenski;http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150903&t=2&i=1076560305&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEB82067 << 'helicopeters in shape of '70 1261488;1441293393;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjyPo ) 1261489;1441293496;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8oAPPUYAAaNxP.jpg << pointy tanks 1261490;1441293496;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjOxZ ) 1261491;1441293534;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8cpwSUEAA4fc2.jpg << drones 1261492;1441293535;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjTle ) 1261493;1441293572;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8aIGxUcAA5Biu.jpg << putin hopping into 'hongqi' 1261494;1441293573;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjY8C ) 1261495;1441293648;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8qzb2UcAAL7xP.jpg << that's a lotta dongfengs 1261496;1441293649;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkbIM ) 1261497;1441293778;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-08-2015#1244821 <--> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11841024/China-shows-off-missile-able-to-destroy-aircraft-carriers-at-massive-WW2-parade.html 1261498;1441293778;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: trinque>china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its 1261499;1441293779;assbot;China shows off missile 'able to destroy aircraft carriers' at massive WW2 parade - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkvaw ) 1261500;1441294328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00069718 = 22.7281 BTC [-] {3} 1261501;1441294395;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1261502;1441294473;davout;let's poke reddit a bit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jhwi3/i_support_bip000/ 1261503;1441294475;assbot;I support BIP000 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XkQrJv ) 1261504;1441294593;thestringpuller;davout: people are downvoting that to hell. 1261505;1441294613;thestringpuller;i should just create 500 reddit-bot accounts to upvote our shit 1261506;1441294616;davout;went from +6 to +2 1261507;1441294643;thestringpuller;actually I may do that 1261508;1441294661;jurov;just pay some philippinos 1261509;1441294737;davout;reddit: the place where philippinos vote-cancel other philippinos 1261510;1441294751;trinque;yeah but like, how is bitcoin going to give me free college and corn products? 1261511;1441294761;thestringpuller;how is bitcoin going to make me rich? 1261512;1441294808;mike_c;hodl 1261513;1441294816;trinque;thestringpuller: please pay me 10BTC for my exclusive webinar 1261514;1441294833;davout;thestringpuller: "while i sleep" is the important tidbit 1261515;1441294877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51322 @ 0.00070535 = 36.2 BTC [+] 1261516;1441295060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67372 @ 0.00069309 = 46.6949 BTC [-] {5} 1261517;1441295387;trinque;flag store nearby does not have a rebel flag 1261518;1441295396;trinque;bah 1261519;1441295422;trinque;I want to put that and the Texan flag in each back window of my station wagon on the way home 1261520;1441295609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3508 @ 0.00068815 = 2.414 BTC [-] 1261521;1441295937;thestringpuller;why do you want a confederate flag trinque ? 1261522;1441295946;thestringpuller;wb mircea_popescu 1261523;1441295969;*;mircea_popescu waves 1261524;1441296132;trinque;thestringpuller: because I want Texas to secede :) 1261525;1441296135;trinque;also it looks cool 1261526;1441296594;trinque;thestringpuller: there were a number of sensible things in the Confederate constitution as well 1261527;1441296768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00070286 = 4.5939 BTC [+] 1261528;1441296789;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261361 << global warming hue hue 1261529;1441296789;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 10:59:18; pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities" 1261530;1441296820;mircea_popescu;wtf is Quinoa 1261531;1441296823;mircea_popescu;;;ud Quinoa 1261532;1441296824;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quinoa | Gullible white middle-class person: Oh, we only eat quinoa these days. It's more ethical than other crops; you can tell because it costs more, so it must be ... 1261533;1441296912;mircea_popescu;"The fact is that the economic growth we had in the last quarter was in line with expectations. Of course it bounces around from quarter to quarter but it was in line with our overarching expectation." <<< bwahaha who is this ignorant twerp. he looks like an indigent and speaks like an indigent, too! 1261534;1441296962;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/ << Wonder how many downvotes a comment referencing MPEx will get 1261535;1441296998;mircea_popescu;"Features that make CockroachDB unstoppable What a database needs in 2015" << fuck that nonsense, what's the year got to do with anything. 1261536;1441297023;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller infinity, who would want to use a private stock exchange that has a proven track record of everything. 1261537;1441297042;mircea_popescu;it's reddit after all. 1261538;1441297073;thestringpuller;havelock still exists? 1261539;1441297115;mircea_popescu;Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone << holy shit that rules. 1261540;1441297130;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller more or less in the manner picostocks still exists. 1261541;1441297159;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/cupdl1r << "GLBSE did. It was magical. But the SEC shut it down. Theymos has all rge money from it." << dunno if sarcasm. 1261542;1441297180;thestringpuller;GLBSE was anything but magical, but mmkay. 1261543;1441297218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << yeah been going on forevar. 1261544;1441297218;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car" 1261545;1441297246;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller plox to not import multiple versions of the same stupid into ba thx 1261546;1441297303;thestringpuller;my b 1261547;1441297336;mircea_popescu;"Will there ever be a point in time where bitcoin will be so easy to use that it won't be intimidating for the average Joe?" 1261548;1441297337;mircea_popescu;no! 1261549;1441297347;mircea_popescu;"the average joe" does not belong above ground, either. 1261550;1441297398;fluffypony;the extraordinary joe, on the other hand 1261551;1441297501;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261449 << errything in moderation. 1261552;1441297501;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 14:21:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa... 1261553;1441297561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58851 @ 0.00070803 = 41.6683 BTC [+] {4} 1261554;1441297586;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw. 1261555;1441297586;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 14:25:01; asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ? 1261556;1441297698;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay. 1261557;1441297698;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 14:27:05; asciilifeform: many american ones do not. 1261558;1441297739;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless. 1261559;1441297739;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 14:29:28; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth. 1261560;1441297943;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244828 << to expound on this a little. there are two fundamental contexts for defeat, and only two. you probably know them from engineering : if a) your fundamentals are sound, you refine the implementation ; if b) your fundamentals are rotten you change the fundamentals. 1261561;1441297943;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 01:15:46; mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on. 1261562;1441297954;mircea_popescu;thus a is a "minor bug" and b is a "we have to refactor". 1261563;1441298012;mircea_popescu;exactly the same is the situation in politics, which are throughout software. if the country is run by unfit men, which is the very definition of socialism, the fundamentals are ipso facto rotten. everyone knows they are rotten. the only reason things carry on is because "well, it works", ie, it hasn't crashed yet. once it crashes, that's it, off to the scrap heap. 1261564;1441298026;mircea_popescu;socialism doesn't take defeat well the same way crappy software doesn't take failure well. 1261565;1441298061;mircea_popescu;meanwhile if the country is run by fit men, defeat only strengthens the resolve. a fine example are the early roman republican defeats, which merely served to raise more army behind the senate, 1261566;1441298076;mircea_popescu;or for that matter the numerous setbacks and defeats of the us rebel army up to and including valleyforge. 1261567;1441298200;mircea_popescu;(this is also why socialism is so keen in inventing imaginary enemies. the drain on resources faux "wars" with imagined boogaboos impose is bad, but not terminal. the advantage of an enemy that can never actually come in and defeat you, for lack of existence, is unparalleled. and so it goes.) 1261568;1441298363;mircea_popescu;anyway, the only good thing coming out of that parade (an event imbecile "world leaders" are not going to - and should be hanged by their constituencies for not having attended, if those constituencies weren't made up of retards) is that xi specifically mentioned discrimination as bad. this is an improbable stance for china. 1261569;1441298408;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1261570;1441298644;mircea_popescu;and "potential new users" are going to "leave ship". << lol davout 1261571;1441299208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00070916 = 36.309 BTC [+] {2} 1261572;1441299356;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1261573;1441299359;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261556 << i'll bite. what is the option ? 1261574;1441299359;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay. 1261575;1441299372;ascii_field;the broomstick ? 1261576;1441299635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27713 @ 0.00071516 = 19.8192 BTC [+] {3} 1261577;1441299696;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261554 << over here, they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id 1261578;1441299696;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 16:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw. 1261579;1441299725;ascii_field;(then, naturally, parallel-construct.) 1261580;1441299819;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261558 << how might one have, physically, low-latency without high bandwidth? you could serialize the bits, and immediately get the other. it is only high bandwidth that does not automatically imply low latency 1261581;1441299819;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless. 1261582;1441301846;BingoBoingo; but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball << Maybe it is because MPEx skipped its summer vacation this year? 1261583;1441301907;jurov;lol what does summer vacation have with order matching? 1261584;1441302759;BingoBoingo;jurov: I don't know exactly, but Maybe the server is cranky? 1261585;1441303173;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 << who're you using? 1261586;1441303173;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby 1261587;1441303295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00071388 = 24.1648 BTC [-] 1261588;1441303713;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586 << its an obvious place for the market to be right now. gotta aggregate demand. 1261589;1441303713;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones 1261590;1441303722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45985 @ 0.00070286 = 32.321 BTC [-] {2} 1261591;1441303750;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1261592;1441303759;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: continued here, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260730 1261593;1441303759;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:43:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip. 1261594;1441303786;ben_vulpes;well your "here" is batshit nuts amigo. 1261595;1441303862;ascii_field;wai wat - ben_vulpes does not see this segmentation where he lives ? 1261596;1441303874;ascii_field;e.g., can buy antibiotic-free but gmo-enabled chicken ? 1261597;1441303899;ben_vulpes;there are enough reasonable sane people here to make farmers markets within walking distance of my house 4/7 days of the week financially viable. 1261598;1441303907;ascii_field;similar here 1261599;1441303912;ascii_field;not what i was talking about. 1261600;1441303926;ascii_field;was discussing - specifically - stores. 1261601;1441303927;ben_vulpes;quit bullshitting, nothing is in walking distance of your house! 1261602;1441303932;ascii_field;wai wat 1261603;1441303939;ascii_field;farmer's market is 10 min of walk away 1261604;1441303943;ben_vulpes;leastaways that was a complaint i heard from you once. 1261605;1441303943;ascii_field;the woman is there right now. 1261606;1441303947;ben_vulpes;hm. 1261607;1441303961;ascii_field;over here, it's a weekly thing 1261608;1441303986;punkman;food supply also needs WoT 1261609;1441304008;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1261610;1441304010;ben_vulpes;stores? 1261611;1441304024;ben_vulpes;people who eat manufactured food - eat manufactured food. 1261612;1441304085;ascii_field;ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? 1261613;1441304150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.0006944 = 21.7694 BTC [-] 1261614;1441304766;ascii_field;phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money. 1261615;1441304774;ascii_field;(in addition to the usual fees, etc) 1261616;1441304816;ascii_field;this is actually tangentially related to the market thing earlier with ben_vulpes 1261617;1441304830;ascii_field;in that THERE IS NO ALT-PAYPAL because THERE IS NO ALT-EBAY 1261618;1441304836;kakobrekla;last time i had a dispute solved by paypal, i was overcompensated. 1261619;1441304917;punkman;ebay is not that different to amazon these days 1261620;1441304920;kakobrekla;in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess". 1261621;1441304936;ascii_field;punkman: amazon is not a sole source for anything 1261622;1441304963;punkman;and ebay is? 1261623;1441304974;ascii_field;ebay is. 1261624;1441305002;ascii_field;where the fuck am i supposed to get, e.g, specific bracket for specific circa-1992 laptop ? 1261625;1441305002;punkman;such as? 1261626;1441305022;ascii_field;or soviet z80 cpu of particular east german factory 1261627;1441305031;ascii_field;or, or, or, 1261628;1441305040;ascii_field;times 1,001 in a year or less 1261629;1441305064;ascii_field;srsly, if the answer is 'don't do that, instead put this broomstick up your arse' then fuckyou 1261630;1441305101;ben_vulpes;http://www.geekwire.com/2015/watch-boeing-demolish-this-old-757-for-recycling/ 1261631;1441305103;assbot;Watch Boeing demolish this old 757 for recycling - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXY99a ) 1261632;1441305235;punkman;ebay has been optimizing for "chinese supermarket" sellers for a long time now. 1261633;1441305464;ascii_field;punkman: aha. 1261634;1441305482;punkman;ascii_field: your argument has merit, but I don't think for long 1261635;1441305511;ascii_field;? 1261636;1441305560;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1261637;1441305673;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261620 < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zgXnSKgopY#t=5m30 1261638;1441305673;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 18:28:40; kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess". 1261639;1441305674;assbot;You gonna shoot me? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXZYTy ) 1261640;1441305891;ascii_field;punkman et al: notice how paypal is among the most hated firms in the world, prolly right up there with microshit; and yet there is no escape from it if you use ebay 1261641;1441306266;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117015 << see also. 1261642;1441306266;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 21:29:20; ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc. 1261643;1441306283;ascii_field;and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1116992 1261644;1441306283;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 21:21:12; ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too 1261645;1441306322;phf; they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id << they do? i don't even know how many sims i have, they have all kinds of practical applications! sms proxies, rc helicopters, remote triggered explosive devices, what? 1261646;1441306362;ascii_field;phf: if you're ~connected~ with more than a handful, you are flagged. 1261647;1441306393;ascii_field;precisely how many and within what geographic spot constitutes 'interesting', i do not know. ask the inquisitor when it's your turn in the room 101 chair. 1261648;1441306419;ascii_field;the main flagging criterion as per various leaked papers is 'sim that connects only occasionally' 1261649;1441306423;ascii_field;it is auto-interesting. 1261650;1441306494;phf;well, damn 1261651;1441306542;phf;elsewhere on the internet http://www.ebay.com/itm/181823958627 1261652;1441306544;assbot;Vintage HP 16C Computer Scientific Calculator Plus Original Manual and Case 766897448522 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOKcr0 ) 1261653;1441306554;phf;$350 1261654;1441306555;ascii_field;i got one of these. 1261655;1441306562;ascii_field;and WHERE THE FUCK OTHER THAN EBAY could i have gotten it. 1261656;1441306576;ascii_field;monopoly. 1261657;1441306611;kakobrekla;they sell those too on ebay. 1261658;1441306627;phf;naturally all the retro names fetch a pretty penny 1261659;1441306643;ascii_field;phf: it isn't about 'retro name' but about the only programmer's calculator ever made 1261660;1441306665;ascii_field;as in, does shr and shl, and/or/xor/not, hex->dec->oct->bin, each of these with 1 keypress 1261661;1441306670;ascii_field;and 64 bits of working reg 1261662;1441306689;ascii_field;i use this thing every day. 1261663;1441306725;phf;there's that conversion project, that takes one of the modern hp calculators and adds a programmer friendly firmware. the layout is not as good though 1261664;1441306764;ascii_field;i don't want the 49 series with their idiot vertical layout and tiny keys 1261665;1441306768;phf;http://commerce.hpcalc.org/34s.php 1261666;1441306769;assbot;WP 34S Scientific Calculator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY2LMn ) 1261667;1441306769;phf;right 1261668;1441306772;ascii_field;and FUCK NO do i not want multiple keypresses for the above ops 1261669;1441306808;ascii_field;classic 'here have this thing that isn't actually the same at all' 1261670;1441306833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.0006944 = 25.9706 BTC [-] 1261671;1441306835;phf;"why would you need it? when you can have an ipad app version!!" 1261672;1441306862;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? << Doesn't the oil render of the MEGA_Hippie pork lardons? 1261673;1441306874;ascii_field;and even if it were the correct size & shape, I AM NOT FUCKING WRITING ON KEYS WITH PEN 1261674;1441306879;ascii_field;srsly 1261675;1441306879;shinohai;ascii_field: I liked this post of yours: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 would indeed be interesting to materialize. 1261676;1441306881;assbot;Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY30Hl ) 1261677;1441306890;ascii_field;shinohai: it materialized, i used it for years. 1261678;1441306899;shinohai;O.o 1261679;1441306953;phf;ascii_field: guy who wrote firmware also distributes laminates. i hear you, but it's the whole poverty point, for me it was a step up from "why the fuck can't i get a decent rpn calculator?" i tried iphone apps even.. 1261680;1441306955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54122 @ 0.0006922 = 37.4632 BTC [-] {2} 1261681;1441306990;ascii_field;phf: it is better to use a really good computer proggy, like 'derive', than a shit calculator 1261682;1441307064;phf;i've noticed that. i have a pretty hacked up ccl repl, that does math for me in infix notation, and that's something that i reach for in anger. i'd like something as easy, and preferably portable 1261683;1441307125;ascii_field;the lack of an EXACT knockoff 16c anywhere on the planet is among the best evidence for mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'no one programs' 1261684;1441307268;phf;nobody's going to go out of their way to satisfy the needs of 100 people or so, who are also temperamentally ascetics 1261685;1441307282;phf;except for medici of course 1261686;1441307287;phf;but we have shortage of those 1261687;1441307296;ascii_field;those ran out long ago. 1261688;1441307325;BingoBoingo;Preemptive cookies for Jurov http://api.ning.com/files/q4DlaPxOl30An1vq5BH1xup*L3TjUhA*VuHXVLNC7b7OyRIS6ii9zq14GkCVv9LP5zzdXiWZAHQMdUfck0wMd7hYnqDQdplV/CareBearandRainbowTray.JPG 1261689;1441307326;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY4iSO ) 1261690;1441307348;jurov;aw my eyes 1261691;1441307406;phf;!up ascii_field 1261692;1441307452;phf;ascii_field: have you used calc at all? 1261693;1441307464;ascii_field;aha 1261694;1441307472;ascii_field;thing is, i like doing things away from computer. 1261695;1441307498;*;jurov never heard of derive.exe before ... such abject poverty 1261696;1441307515;ascii_field;jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258008 1261697;1441307515;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 03:05:59; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive. 1261698;1441307529;jurov;yes saw it, kudos! 1261699;1441307544;ascii_field;it will boot on raw iron or on any reasonable emulator 1261700;1441307692;phf;i'm disappointed that amazon caved and went the retard route with their kindle. i've gotten as far as booting temacs on kindle, back when it still had a shitty but hardware keyboard, gave up when i saw version two with touch screen, left in disgusts when fire came out 1261701;1441307720;ascii_field;phf: 'dx' was imho the only usable machine from them 1261702;1441307725;ascii_field;everything else - dross 1261703;1441307840;phf;i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer.. 1261704;1441308007;trinque;! DOS toys 1261705;1441308037;phf;but that goes with the whole "market of 100 people" 1261706;1441308154;phf;https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-DPTS1/?PID=I:digitalpaper:digitalpaperproductpage target market lawyers, government and "higher ed" 1261707;1441308182;ascii_field;phf: iirc this is a piece of shit 1261708;1441308184;ascii_field;it runs winblows 1261709;1441308232;ascii_field;it also has laughably low res 1261710;1441308238;ascii_field;(nothing close to 300 dpi) 1261711;1441308342;phf;probably could be reversed, but at the price point nobody with that amount of free time will bother. there's a chinese firmware hack, that replaces kindle's os 1261712;1441308552;ascii_field;i had this on my dx, they are invariably shit 1261713;1441308567;ascii_field;full of supposedly-tolerable 'minor imperfections' like most opensource garbage 1261714;1441308655;BingoBoingo;http://www.mysanantonio.com/lifestyle/article/College-junior-rides-her-Barbie-Jeep-adound-6478450.php#photo-8564704 1261715;1441308656;assbot;Texas State student rides her Barbie Jeep around campus after DWI arrest, Internet loves it - San Antonio Express-News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POa0o7 ) 1261716;1441308663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99380 @ 0.00069508 = 69.0771 BTC [+] {2} 1261717;1441308780;phf;imho that was the first wave of retards in linux the whole "linux on desktop" thing, shifted massive amounts of resources towards догоним и перегоним. instead of bullet proof fvwm or whatever, you now have a dozen of windows ripoffs with "minor imperfections", but don't worry there's a libfoo that adds exposé support to your terminal characters 1261718;1441308800;ascii_field;this was a plague for many many years 1261719;1441308804;ascii_field;starting with gnome/kde 1261720;1441308826;ascii_field;but with regards to 'chinese firmware' i meant the opposite end of the plague 1261721;1441308841;ascii_field;'none of the buttons work but that's ok, you can press morse with power switch to scroll' 1261722;1441308849;phf;hehehe 1261723;1441308852;ascii_field;aka 'linux on laptops' 1261724;1441308857;shinohai;The most 'murican gun ever BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTy-Z6rBMLQ 1261725;1441308858;assbot;Video: CAIR-FL Calls New Assault Weapon Inscribed with Bible Verse a ‘Shameful Marketing Ploy’ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1POauuh ) 1261726;1441308885;ascii_field;what's it say? 'i come not with peace but a sword' ? 1261727;1441308888;ascii_field;'eye for eye' ? 1261728;1441308951;phf;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-0-18565E9200000578-190_634x424.jpg 1261729;1441308952;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaFWG ) 1261730;1441308974;trinque;"deter muslim terrorists" lol 1261731;1441309050;phf;this is probably not the best example but there's only so much time you can spend googling "ak-47 allah" at a packed lebanese cafe 1261732;1441309051;BingoBoingo;shinohai: "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD."? 1261733;1441309055;trinque;http://www.spikestactical.com/crusader-w12-mlok-dynacomp-2-p-1319.html 1261734;1441309056;assbot;Crusader w/12 M-LOK & Dynacomp 2 [STR5525-M2D] - $1,395.00 : Spikes Tactical ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaSJk ) 1261735;1441309077;shinohai;Hell, having a bible verse on a rifle discourages *me* from using it. 1261736;1441309098;ascii_field;l0l this reminds me of the 'hello kitty' rifle 1261737;1441309103;BingoBoingo;shinohai: "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar."? 1261738;1441309115;ascii_field;popularly bought by wife to discourage husband from hogging it at target practice day 1261739;1441309139;ascii_field;srsly, walk into any u.s. gun shop, there they are, bright-pink kalash, etc 1261740;1441309144;phf;http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/ShootingKitty1.jpg 1261741;1441309147;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4Z1 ) 1261742;1441309165;trinque;http://biblehub.com/tsk/psalms/144-1.htm 1261743;1441309166;assbot;Psalm 144:1 TSK: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for battle and my fingers for warfare, ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb5we ) 1261744;1441309171;trinque;Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle; 1261745;1441309197;trinque;http://www.spikestactical.com/images/crusader-5_04.jpg 1261746;1441309199;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0EBjK ) 1261747;1441309203;trinque;danielpbarron: found your gun ^ 1261748;1441309217;trinque;!up ascii_field 1261749;1441309226;BingoBoingo;shinohai: "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense."? 1261750;1441309266;shinohai;Maybe danielpbarron can tell us if it fulfills a prophecy. Bible is out of my league. 1261751;1441309362;shinohai;Though I do want a copy of that "Queen James" Bible translation to keep on the shelf for when Mormons come over.r 1261752;1441309553;jurov;I'd play safe and had a Greek one. That one's passable for Catholics and Protestants too 1261753;1441309576;BingoBoingo;^ 1261754;1441309598;BingoBoingo;Also greek allows maximum trollage when you tell Missionaries the original text isn't all that exciting 1261755;1441309630;shinohai;lol 1261756;1441309656;trinque;these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine 1261757;1441309761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16485 @ 0.00069694 = 11.4891 BTC [+] 1261758;1441309816;trinque;http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/europe/migration-crisis-aylan-kurdi-turkey-canada/ << meanwhile the propaganda machine says "save the poor syrian refugees!" 1261759;1441309830;shinohai;I honest;y don't have a problem with most, except the real real fundies 1261760;1441309872;jurov;http://www.amazon.com/The-Queen-James-Bible/dp/0615724531 lol it actually exists 1261761;1441309873;assbot;The Queen James Bible: 9780615724539: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1POcrH7 ) 1261762;1441309908;trinque;shinohai: I see it as just another way to line people up into some semblance of a command structure 1261763;1441310143;shinohai;Onward Christian Soldiers 1261764;1441310284;phf;trinque: my main issue with fundamentalists and their ilk is that they are busybodies and tend to get into other people's business. none of that "render unto caesar". not to mention that the whole badass christian patriarch stance is pathetic, because its false. 1261765;1441310310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57568 @ 0.00069906 = 40.2435 BTC [+] 1261766;1441310917;trinque;phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed. 1261767;1441310920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00070866 = 32.3695 BTC [+] {3} 1261768;1441310955;trinque;the alternative at least in the US seems to be this social-media narcissism which feels not just justified but entitled to arbitrary beliefs 1261769;1441310981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25716 @ 0.00071293 = 18.3337 BTC [+] {2} 1261770;1441311073;joecool;!up ascii_field 1261771;1441311116;trinque;phf: also elaborate if you would on how the "badass christian patriarch" is false? 1261772;1441311164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00069085 = 14.3006 BTC [-] {3} 1261773;1441311164;ascii_field;trinque: no shortage of this. picture the 'patriarch' in usg divorce court 1261774;1441311183;ascii_field;or in usg jail for having 'eye for an eye'-d 1261775;1441311198;ascii_field;or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism 1261776;1441311210;ascii_field;which end in a sore starfish and little else 1261777;1441311214;trinque;wouldn't he say that he'd like the laws changed further in his favor in those cases? 1261778;1441311223;ascii_field;would like a pony also. 1261779;1441311223;trinque;but yes, not much he can do here and now 1261780;1441311243;trinque;and most of these people don't see that the american system resulted in precisely that predicament 1261781;1441311290;ascii_field;they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' 1261782;1441311345;BingoBoingo;!b 8 1261783;1441311345;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HSJP9H.txt ) 1261784;1441311363;trinque;yep, I was briefly interested in this "Oath Keepers" thing, but they're ironically exactly the white counterpart to #blacklivesmatter 1261785;1441311376;joecool;hrm, was I purged from the WoT graph? catching up on trilema and the logs that appears to be the case? 1261786;1441311388;trinque;marching around, yes with guns, but for display 1261787;1441311397;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234850 1261788;1441311397;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 13:45:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath 1261789;1441311401;BingoBoingo;!gettrust joecool 1261790;1441311403;assbot;Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/ 1261791;1441311424;joecool;http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ < 1261792;1441311425;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O ) 1261793;1441311504;trinque;"should they later find the time, interest and inclination to contribute substantially (as I have no doubt any actually could), there's going to be more revisions." 1261794;1441311528;BingoBoingo;Ah, subtracted for low activity, and lack of any specific known pledge of allegience it seems joecool 1261795;1441311555;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot joecool 1261796;1441311555;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/ 1261797;1441311575;BingoBoingo;Still got that level 2 swag though 1261798;1441311663;joecool;I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things 1261799;1441311691;joecool;nice job with qntra.net by the way, I read that daily 1261800;1441311700;BingoBoingo;Thanks. 1261801;1441311799;BingoBoingo;I just try not to suck. 1261802;1441311886;trinque;this "syrian toddler" thing is everywhere. must be time for war 1261803;1441311969;ascii_field;trinque: how else to get american airforce into the meatgrinder, for ru to practice on 1261804;1441312006;joecool;Best to have realistic goals I suppose. The bitcoin news sites that suck group is pretty crowded anyway 1261805;1441312015;ascii_field;been far too long since vietnam, neither side even remembers what the other looks like, other than from old photos 1261806;1441312029;trinque;haha, maybe we'll have a nice reunion soon 1261807;1441312131;trinque;seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it 1261808;1441312164;trinque;our DC idiots will probably walk right into it 1261809;1441312290;trinque;http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0903/Putin-showcases-Russia-s-pivot-to-Asia-as-he-visits-China-for-WWII-parade << making a point to appear together more often 1261810;1441312290;assbot;Putin showcases Russia's pivot to Asia as he visits China for WWII parade - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYgy5y ) 1261811;1441312434;mats;14:30:38 <+ascii_field> times 1,001 in a year or less << aliexpress? 1261812;1441312452;ascii_field;mats: were you paying attention when i specifically mentioned ancient hardware ? 1261813;1441312469;ascii_field;FIND ME A MOTHERFUCKING HP200LX ON ALI 1261814;1441312510;ascii_field;fine me a ~USED~ sherline four-jaw lathe chuck on ali. 1261815;1441312529;mats;touchy 1261816;1441312538;ascii_field;find me a 2007 amd opteron socket-1207 cpu on ali. 1261817;1441312559;trinque;http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171894038739?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82 1261818;1441312560;assbot;Used HP 200LX PC 2MB RAM w Agilent Wave Viewer Card | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYheIb ) 1261819;1441312576;ascii_field;trinque: i am listing only objects i already have 1261820;1441312583;ascii_field;and that cannot be had anywhere other than ebay. 1261821;1441312585;trinque;ah; well this thing looks cool 1261822;1441312600;ascii_field;'have good luck and know someone selling it' is not an alternative 1261823;1441312611;ascii_field;i have shit luck and don't know anyone who has anything i want. 1261824;1441312662;trinque;0 results found for macivory, so we searched for m ivory << no kidding 1261825;1441312690;ascii_field;trinque: some items even on ebay i had to wait for years to find. 1261826;1441312785;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261614 << more like recent decade. 1261827;1441312785;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 18:26:06; ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money. 1261828;1441312795;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 2014 rule 1261829;1441312812;kakobrekla;in yurop is different, every country has online flea markets in their own language, many of them quite obscure. you find many gems if you can navigate that. 1261830;1441312823;mircea_popescu;"oh,. bitcoin needs larger blocks, because to compete with paypal's three week poayment processing!!1" 1261831;1441312840;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i suspect that won't last too long. 1261832;1441312848;ascii_field;kakobrekla: i buy things that literally one out of a million people has to sell. 1261833;1441312860;ascii_field;kakobrekla: and i don't have a sotheby's budget to do it with, either. 1261834;1441312862;ascii_field;hence ebay. 1261835;1441312863;kakobrekla;but its most often taht you need to drive to pick it up as seller doesnt give a shit to post it, even if you offer pay. 1261836;1441312887;phf;trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"? 1261837;1441312906;kakobrekla;ascii_field i have found one in a million things there that ebay could not provide. 1261838;1441312914;ascii_field;kakobrekla: same. many times 1261839;1441312914;trinque;phf: eh, I don't think you know my rednecks 1261840;1441312925;ascii_field;kakobrekla: but when i ~do~ find the magic artifact, it is 100% on ebay. 1261841;1441312928;trinque;not saying I believe in the bible myself, but they do, and have read and studied it 1261842;1441312946;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1261843;1441312948;ascii_field;this is not because ebay is a great thing, but because it has killed everything else remotely comparable. 1261844;1441312959;ascii_field;long, long ago 1261845;1441312983;phf;trinque: tell your redneck to go to his church and say out loud that he beliefs that divorce is a sin, that woman that initiates a divorce can no be redeemed in the eyes of god, etc. 1261846;1441312989;phf;*believes 1261847;1441312990;thestringpuller;http://insidebitcoins.com/news/erik-voorhees-defends-coinbase-at-texas-bitcoin-conference/34638 << is voorhees going to the dark side? 1261848;1441312990;trinque;they do. 1261849;1441313007;trinque;there's a whole other world outside the cities, and its not all inbred 1261850;1441313012;kakobrekla;even got an item for 500e on one such obscure place, an item that surfaces on ebay once a year and goes for 5k. 1261851;1441313038;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: going, going, gone. in 2012. 1261852;1441313051;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: fiat 500e ? the electric one ? 1261853;1441313063;kakobrekla;500euros 1261854;1441313063;phf;trinque: i don't have a reference for that rednecks that i go snowboarding and sometimes hunting with are not very religious. they just say all the tv talking points, abortion, gays, liberal elite, etc. 1261855;1441313065;kakobrekla;:) 1261856;1441313084;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: ever since the S.DICE thing? 1261857;1441313170;phf;trinque: but i'm thinking specifically of ~christian~ communities rather then rednecks specifically. my reference point are friends whose parents are "active in church" or work as missionaries abroad 1261858;1441313261;phf;and they seem to be as contemptible as any liberal suburban family, just with some polarities switched 1261859;1441313262;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: ever since he chose not to show up here and get in the wot 1261860;1441313299;trinque;phf: I know christians that believe the man's the head of the house, and that one is to follow the bible literally 1261861;1441313306;trinque;one's that would get along with danielpbarron 1261862;1441313309;trinque;*ones 1261863;1441313332;jurov;i have met him personally in timisoara (and his trophy gf), did not look like a good fit 1261864;1441313398;ascii_field;voorhes ? 1261865;1441313403;jurov;yes 1261866;1441313404;trinque;phf: I see the beliefs themselves less relevant than the command structure implied by them 1261867;1441313413;ascii_field;hasn't he revealed himself to be a spammer piece of shit ? 1261868;1441313416;jurov;voorhees was on 1st conf 1261869;1441313417;trinque;somebody could figure out a way to do something interesting with that. 1261870;1441313447;*;ascii_field does not know voorhes personally, but distinctly recalls that the man was embroiled in spam 1261871;1441313558;jurov;well.. wences casares was there, too, not sure if it was the same eyar 1261872;1441313582;ascii_field;jurov: iirc from mircea_popescu's article, that was one of the people there 1261873;1441313583;pete_dushenski;xapohead went to timisoara ?! 1261874;1441313596;jurov;yes he did 1261875;1441313607;pete_dushenski;nuts 1261876;1441313636;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: History 1261877;1441313651;BingoBoingo;It's a weird thing 1261878;1441313673;pete_dushenski;the only thing new... 1261879;1441313709;jurov;i had a bit heated discussion with him that it the wallet users don't own the privkeys, wtf is that all about 1261880;1441313711;thestringpuller;!gettrust evoorhees 1261881;1441313711;assbot;Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/ 1261882;1441313721;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: ^^^ he's in wot... 1261883;1441313736;ascii_field;jurov: i was never able to conceive of casares as anything other than a 'wallet-inspector' sc4mz0r 1261884;1441313796;jurov;well.. if i hadn't met you in person, i'd have very different image too :) 1261885;1441313800;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: good digging, i suspected he might've been, but search for 'voorhees' on btcalpha drew up a blank 1261886;1441313869;kakobrekla;voorhees and casares were at the first meet 1261887;1441313929;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: upon further review, he's evorhees isn't in assbot's l2, so i guess he's not in the wot after all. 1261888;1441314027;kakobrekla;they saw kako is in reality a nice guy and left the place. 1261889;1441314059;pete_dushenski;that ~would~ be pretty disappointing 1261890;1441314258;*;jurov was watching mpoe-pr aka hanbot in action, riding her tablet 1261891;1441314431;mats;jurov: have an eta for coinbr availability? 1261892;1441314462;jurov;have pinpointed the cause, tomorrow evening likely 1261893;1441314580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00071395 = 7.2466 BTC [+] 1261894;1441314874;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1261895;1441315025;thestringpuller;“Now, everyone sees this as a critical topic. I know of more than 100 firms that are trying to make the blockchain more scalable, more secure, to make the one that everybody will use. There’s a race on out there.” 1261896;1441315041;thestringpuller;from >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-09-01/blythe-masters-tells-banks-the-blockchain-changes-everything 1261897;1441315091;midnightmagic;a.k.a. scamcoin developers 1261898;1441315201;shinohai;^ 1261899;1441315225;btcdrak;Mike Hearn seems sad in this post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoin-xt/IWg3JHvOWJo 1261900;1441315226;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0jGX ) 1261901;1441315284;BingoBoingo;In other news Obama jerked off a fish. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/obama-salmon-spawning-alaska/index.html 1261902;1441315285;assbot;Salmon spawns on Obama in Alaska - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0rpU ) 1261903;1441315320;ascii_field;btcdrak: that thing appears to require login 1261904;1441315328;jurov;"He was happy to see me," Obama added. 1261905;1441315332;shinohai;"Of course this doesn't help mining pools. They would need to find ways to sink the DoS attacks themselves." LOL 1261906;1441315333;kakobrekla;some read logz lol? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-08-2015#1240070 1261907;1441315333;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 17:54:18; kakobrekla: wheres that ddoser now, could be put to good use 1261908;1441315339;btcdrak;Oh let me screencap it then 1261909;1441315363;BingoBoingo;It's official, Obama like Kanye West loves fish sticks and is in fact a gay fish. 1261910;1441315398;kakobrekla;lol@'version collector' 1261911;1441315400;btcdrak;Here: http://i.imgur.com/cM8Y4KD.png it's so ludicrous. Give you an insight into how Mike actually thinks 1261912;1441315401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KumX8H ) 1261913;1441315447;mircea_popescu;aww. 1261914;1441315468;mike_c;oh gavin.. "... which should eventually evolve into "download, check for valid signatures, and automatically upgrade" code (yet another feature that I think it is pretty clear people want that can't make it past the Core idea review process)." 1261915;1441315479;kakobrekla;hearn > 1261916;1441315479;kakobrekla;My nodes got hit with 25 GBit/sec. The university firewall handled it like a pro, but I was forced to shut off my nodes. Due to the security implications (I guess DDoS attacks are a security risk now?) I'll have to fight to get them back up again. 1261917;1441315480;kakobrekla;lol 1261918;1441315512;mircea_popescu;herp. so he's mooching bw and everything from maryland ? 1261919;1441315545;ascii_field;wai wat 1261920;1441315553;ascii_field;hearn is with shi et al now ?! 1261921;1441315572;pete_dushenski;garzik re 'bip100' reddit convo : This is mostly pre-feedback, transcribing the discussion documentation into a technical specification. The doc & spec & code will evolve from here, based on community feedback and testing." 1261922;1441315770;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the us is a tiny, parochial space 1261923;1441315781;mircea_popescu;there's like... a huffingluepost and so forth. 1261924;1441315818;ascii_field;tiny more from the fact that it compresses so well 1261925;1441315829;ascii_field;just about whole thing is tied with identical pieces 1261926;1441315832;ascii_field;*tiled 1261927;1441316011;btcdrak;mike_c: autoupdate has been discussed a lot in Core, and is absolutely out of the questions because of the security implications. 1261928;1441316807;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1261929;1441317684;deedbot-;[Qntra] Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/ 1261930;1441317996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00071395 = 5.1047 BTC [+] 1261931;1441318077;ascii_field;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JgnMJzCtQ 1261932;1441318078;assbot;The Swarm Manned Aerial Vehicle Multirotor Super Drone Flying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNgfJp ) 1261933;1441318102;ascii_field;~somebody~ reads the logz 1261934;1441318287;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261703 < 1261940;1441318404;ascii_field;poem also works on it 1261941;1441318410;mircea_popescu;how do you tell it what poem 1261942;1441318410;ascii_field;but frustrating 1261943;1441318414;ascii_field;for the reason you pointed out. 1261944;1441318418;mircea_popescu;aha. 1261945;1441318421;ascii_field;no adequate input. 1261946;1441318436;ascii_field;(though the thing has provisions for an external keyboard, in principle) 1261947;1441318454;mircea_popescu;but the only comfortable position for keyboarding is sitting 1261948;1441318457;mircea_popescu;by which point... 1261949;1441318457;ascii_field;aha 1261950;1441318469;ascii_field;hence it is strictly for reading a particular item. 1261951;1441318493;ascii_field;at the same time i ~would~ like a >300 dpi screen on real computer 1261952;1441318534;mircea_popescu;what i would like is if they stopped dicking around and made holo displays already 1261953;1441318553;ascii_field;l0l wtf for 1261954;1441318561;mircea_popescu;all this "2d view of a 3d world" shit is for the birds./ 1261955;1441318566;ascii_field;i want to see transparently through my display like i want a second arse. 1261956;1441318572;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for proper graph display. imagine mike's wot graph in 3d. 1261957;1441318592;ascii_field;this is one of those things that ~sounds~ great until you do it. 1261958;1441318596;mircea_popescu;i want a 1 cubic metre display. dun care so much about dpi 1261959;1441318601;ascii_field;i used to wear a 3dvisor for a living. 1261960;1441318606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8185 @ 0.00071423 = 5.846 BTC [+] {3} 1261961;1441318606;mircea_popescu;it can be 60 dpi, as long as it's 1 cu m 1261962;1441318606;ascii_field;it isn't fun. 1261963;1441318616;mircea_popescu;no. the "3d visor" is still 2d. 1261964;1441318629;ascii_field;was a high-end silicongraphics thing 1261965;1441318634;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter. 1261966;1441318649;mircea_popescu;i mean it, actual 3d display. 1261967;1441318676;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1261968;1441318681;ascii_field;to walk around it ? 1261969;1441318684;mircea_popescu;they can use magnetics to create tiny refraction surfaces in mid air 1261970;1441318688;mircea_popescu;YES! 1261971;1441318705;mircea_popescu;so i could fucking think WITH a computer for once. 1261972;1441318738;ascii_field;over the years i conceived of several designs for such a thing. because i, too, wanted one. 1261973;1441318753;ascii_field;but strictly the kind mircea_popescu describes - with true three-axis box 1261974;1441318766;mircea_popescu;none of that fake "3d in 2d" bs. actual 3d display. i need an[other] electric car like i need another hairdo. 1261975;1441318772;mircea_popescu;THIS is what's needed. 1261976;1441318792;ascii_field;i did realize, though, that there is nothing to connect it to. 1261977;1441318815;mircea_popescu;lisp machine. 1261978;1441318832;*;mircea_popescu would like to say THAT web2.0. the proper one. "cube webpages" 1261979;1441318889;mircea_popescu;anyway. magnetic bottle exists, there's no fucking excuse. not like any sort of quantum leap is required. just index and miniaturize. 1261980;1441318893;ascii_field;only thing is, when viewing text i need it to be opaque. 1261981;1441318895;ascii_field;100% opaque. 1261982;1441318901;ascii_field;otherwise it is like reading on plastic bag. 1261983;1441318908;mircea_popescu;aha. 1261984;1441318924;mircea_popescu;look : if it can keep gas in, it should be able to keep light out 1261985;1441318969;ascii_field;this design approach makes hot fusion look easy. 1261986;1441318989;ascii_field;realize, nothing in, e.g., a tokamak, is ever dense enough to become anything like opaque. 1261987;1441318991;mircea_popescu;the real problem here is that ... well... no rich people left. nobody to say "fuck you, either make this and you get one trillion, or i spend a trillion torturing your families. you have one year." 1261988;1441319056;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=35 1261989;1441319058;assbot;Loper OS » The Glove Box ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNirR7 ) 1261990;1441319075;ascii_field;very old turd i wrote 1261991;1441319109;pete_dushenski;http://imgur.com/a/VMbQ7 << turkmeni curio 1261992;1441319110;assbot;Turkmenistan - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNizQE ) 1261993;1441319158;ascii_field;'In the marble streets of Ashgabat, we soon grow a bit tired and sweaty. In theory, we could rest a bit inside one of the many bus stops, designed to be air-conditioned. The air-conditioning has stopped working, so instead they are now glass ovens where you can bake yourself. We decide to wait outside. ' << orc win ! 1261994;1441319515;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261775 << 1261995;1441319515;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 20:13:18; ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism 1261996;1441319524;mircea_popescu;!s rotherham 1261997;1441319525;assbot;7 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham 1261998;1441319544;mircea_popescu;sore starfish alright. 1261999;1441319596;mircea_popescu;ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao. 1262000;1441319617;*;mircea_popescu fantasises at the dystopia where alf writes PR for a living. 1262001;1441319635;mircea_popescu;!gettrust joecool 1262002;1441319638;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/ 1262003;1441319670;phf;kindle solves specific problem of my eyes getting tired of staring at backlit screen 1262004;1441319687;mircea_popescu;phf other solution to that is to kill the backlight. 1262005;1441319718;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261798 << ah, nuttin wrong with that. but the l1 is more active an affair. 1262006;1441319718;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 20:21:03; joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things 1262007;1441319761;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261999 << l0l i stole the text from mircea_popescu 1262008;1441319761;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 22:33:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao. 1262009;1441319772;ascii_field;!s marry her dog 1262010;1441319773;assbot;2 results for 'marry her dog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marry+her+dog 1262011;1441319789;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261807 << once man starts thinking strategically, all sorts of patterns emerge huh 1262012;1441319789;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 20:28:51; trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it 1262013;1441319798;mircea_popescu;ascii_field wut ? i said that ? 1262014;1441319806;ascii_field;apparently 1262015;1441319808;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1262016;1441319821;mircea_popescu;ok, ladies and gents, this here is what narcissism actually is, at its peak. 1262017;1441319838;mircea_popescu;i like my shit so much! 1262018;1441319842;ascii_field;lulz 1262019;1441319853;ascii_field;i'm pretty sure i have done this. 1262020;1441319865;mircea_popescu;no but i meant metaphorically 1262021;1441319886;phf;mircea_popescu: how do i kill a backlight? 1262022;1441319888;ascii_field;'this is spiffy, i wish i'd written it' - 'waitasec, i did write it' 1262023;1441319905;mircea_popescu;ascii_field :p 1262024;1441319918;mircea_popescu;phf this screen rightnao i have at 6300K and 0.375 gamma 1262025;1441319922;mircea_popescu;it's a pleasure. 1262026;1441319931;ascii_field;phf: what do you have that is readable without a backlight? 1262027;1441319960;phf;ascii_field: kindle 1262028;1441319968;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: unless you have a 'eizo' or 'barco', those numbers have very tenuous relation to physical reality 1262029;1441319981;ascii_field;but are more like the dial of a washing machine 1262030;1441319984;mircea_popescu;the 6300K thing is WAY more important than anyone realises. and cutting down on the gamma helps loads. 1262031;1441319992;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this is a lg 1262032;1441320005;ascii_field;i tend to run even 'redder' 1262033;1441320009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00070452 = 23.2844 BTC [-] 1262034;1441320023;mircea_popescu;aha. blue is the fatiguer. and, of course, goes without saying, small fonts. 1262035;1441320155;kakobrekla;so 'blue light makes you more alert' or someshit science is bogus? 1262036;1441320174;mircea_popescu;more alert and more tired correlate anyway 1262037;1441320197;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have nfi what "alert" means. but fatigue is defined. 1262038;1441320211;joecool;overstimulation leads to fatigue/exhaustion sort of thing" 1262039;1441320218;kakobrekla;some go as far as to treat jetlag with that 1262040;1441320235;mircea_popescu;none of the bitches that tan are as alert as the bitches that don't. 1262041;1441320237;mircea_popescu; so dunno. 1262042;1441320281;mircea_popescu;joecool turns out people have very different tolerances to far-blue and UV. it's a function of the quality of filtering they got which is mostly genetics. 1262043;1441320376;mircea_popescu;anyway, as a rule of thumb, the bluer a light runs the cheaper it is and the shittier too. as phillips' been driving its crusade to replace all lights with shittier lights to complete the precious indications given at the 18th plenary of the permanent comission of the central committee of the economic planning bureau 1262044;1441320413;mircea_popescu;it'd be expected that the central authority for communication and propaganda pumps out supporting evidence through its respective organs 1262045;1441320507;joecool;!up ascii_field 1262046;1441320600;phf;i've over optimized in the direction of making kindle work for me, but it is like looking through peephole. i solve the whole branching problem by relying on their notes feature: whatever you select on kindle gets saved to a text file that gets copied into my notes during sync. correspondingly my article saving mechanism converts all links to title (url) form, so i can follow up when on desktop 1262047;1441320637;phf;now that i verbalize it, it's totally a programmer rabbit hole, probably should've just fixed my monitor.. 1262048;1441320683;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/6tvB8Q3.png 1262049;1441320683;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNm3CO ) 1262050;1441320802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00071446 = 21.8625 BTC [+] 1262051;1441320820;joecool;we run 2750K incandescent bulbs in my office 1262052;1441320906;mircea_popescu;phf i think 2/3 of the benefit regulars derive from being here is this sort of thing 1262053;1441320959;mircea_popescu;great retort BingoBoingo 1262054;1441320974;mircea_popescu;this is so typical of fucktard on a mission. "science is bad mkay" except if anyone disagrees with "what is your degree". 1262055;1441320981;BingoBoingo;Just found it online searching the hotsheets. 1262056;1441320989;mircea_popescu;because hey, nothing beats living in TWO DIFFERENT parallel if entirely imaginary universes. 1262057;1441321117;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/09/03/harvard-will-let-students-select-pronouns << Can't wait for the student who selects fuck, piss, shit, and cunt as their pronoun set 1262058;1441321120;assbot;Harvard Will Let Students Select Pronouns | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNn1yH ) 1262059;1441321507;BingoBoingo;!up ghtdak 1262060;1441321911;fluffypony;http://www.coindesk.com/african-remittance-beam-drops-bitcoin-pivot/ 1262061;1441321911;assbot;African Remittance Firm Beam Stops Bitcoin Service in Pivot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNoK78 ) 1262062;1441321957;fluffypony;so I've literally been saying for ages that Africa is far from ready to "embrace" Bitcoin, and half the continent won't want it anyway, but nooooo, nobody listens to me, they all want to shovel Bitcoin down Africa's throat 1262063;1441322006;shinohai;r/bitcoin wants to shove BTC down everyone's throat. 1262064;1441322012;fluffypony;yeah 1262065;1441322016;fluffypony;*ADOPTION*! 1262066;1441322065;shinohai;They are like undertakers reading morning obituaries, hoping to find a failing economy to rescue. 1262067;1441322083;shinohai;For whatever reason. 1262068;1441322281;cazalla;fluffypony, you don't want black africans to have bitcoin, you rascally racist 1262069;1441322291;fluffypony;rahzizt 1262070;1441322316;fluffypony;cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax 1262071;1441322528;shinohai;Africa: https://i.imgur.com/hEaFeKp.jpg 1262072;1441322528;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFi6Oc ) 1262073;1441322533;BingoBoingo;http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/60/94/2c4f7c1e69f3dd5003d473e32626c54e.gif 1262074;1441322535;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFi8Wl ) 1262075;1441323242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5453 @ 0.00071446 = 3.896 BTC [+] 1262076;1441323303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48767 @ 0.0007165 = 34.9416 BTC [+] {5} 1262077;1441323821;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260745 << missed the boat on fats though 1262078;1441323821;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:47:29; mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending. 1262079;1441324096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00071589 = 22.121 BTC [-] 1262080;1441324523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69724 @ 0.0007175 = 50.027 BTC [+] {3} 1262081;1441324684;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << so are you, like, bar mitzvah'd ? 1262082;1441324684;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car" 1262083;1441324719;pete_dushenski;to my ear at least, 'shinohai' always sounded japanese 1262084;1441324768;pete_dushenski;'the other j-meat' 1262085;1441324786;pete_dushenski;(jamaicas is other-other-) 1262086;1441325031;mircea_popescu;well fats actually are bad so 1262087;1441325087;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the vc-derps are pretty much one track. they got one solution for all problems, which is proven to not work for any of them, and they';re sticking to it. 1262088;1441325118;mircea_popescu;contact to ground was lost long enough, by the time graham's in outer space derping to himself about hyperbolics... 1262089;1441325128;fluffypony;yeah 1262090;1441325148;mircea_popescu;!up ghtdak 1262091;1441325438;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: which and why? 1262092;1441325516;thestringpuller;Paul Graham literally believes the best startups are ones that don't scale: "When I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg at Startup School, he said that while it was a lot of work creating course lists for each school, doing that made students feel the site was their natural home." 1262093;1441325611;shinohai;pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will. 1262094;1441325749;deedbot-;[Qntra] British and North Carolina Teens Prosecuted as Child Pornographers in Separate Cases - http://qntra.net/2015/09/british-and-north-carolina-teens-prosecuted-as-child-pornographers-in-separate-cases/ 1262095;1441325927;pete_dushenski;shinohai: are 'jews for jesus' actually that bad ? 1262096;1441325967;pete_dushenski;i admit i've only met two of them, a young couple at pre-natal class, perfectly pleasant really. he even wore a tallit around his waist 1262097;1441326058;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: lol hot damn i was *just* about to start writing up that sexting one. well snagged ! i'll be faster net time. 1262098;1441326083;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I just got a lot of momentum going these past couple days 1262099;1441326121;pete_dushenski;no kidding ! 1262100;1441326153;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's complicated. but on the balance of it, too much fat makes you fat. which is problematic for the circulatory system 1262101;1441326157;BingoBoingo;Not one big thing, but a bunch of little things that are better recorded than not. 1262102;1441326189;pete_dushenski;"There are roughly 3 trillion trees on Earth — more than seven times the number previously estimated — according to a tally1 by an international team of scientists." << moar upward revisionism, except this kind is more butthurt for climate doomsdayists 1262103;1441326244;mircea_popescu;a warming earth is not bad for vegetation. 1262104;1441326265;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: both are needed 1262105;1441326277;mircea_popescu;kinda how that cycle works. 1262106;1441326801;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260853 << oh, horseshit. 1262107;1441326801;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 03:05:07; asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed 1262108;1441326842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00071786 = 11.7729 BTC [+] {3} 1262109;1441326874;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'll bite. name anybody presently rolling in the vc megamillions while doing something of actual worth 1262110;1441326902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00071797 = 25.9905 BTC [+] 1262111;1441326934;ben_vulpes;nobody is doing anything of 'actual worth' and 'much' is such a wishy-washy term that you can set the bar arbitrarily high. 1262112;1441326973;ben_vulpes;as for names, well 1262113;1441327079;asciilifeform;'A North Carolina 17-year-old caught in a sexting scandal faces charges of sexually exploiting a minor that could land him in jail for up to 10 years, since the law considers him an adult. But one of the minors he supposedly exploited is himselfwhich raises an obvious question: how can a teen be old enough to face adult felony charges, but not old enough to keep a nude picture of himself on his phone? Unfortunately, that 1262114;1441327079;asciilifeform;s the Kafka-esque nightmare in which Fayetteville-area high schooler Cormega Copening finds himself after exchanging private nude photos with his girlfriendwith whom he is legally allowed to have sex, but not to sext.' << gold. 1262115;1441327126;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 1262116;1441327126;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am 1262117;1441327207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00071589 = 31.6065 BTC [-] 1262118;1441327305;asciilifeform;does anyone have a link to the actual indictment ? 1262119;1441327330;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ ? 1262120;1441327368;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not that I've found yet 1262121;1441327395;mircea_popescu;i dunno how one could be 17yo, a us citizen, and NOT sms nude pics of themselves to every single usg official in sighh 1262122;1441327404;mircea_popescu;then filing complaints with the lot. 1262123;1441327412;mircea_popescu;it just... it doesn't fit in my head. 1262124;1441327419;mircea_popescu;i wish we had had something like this when i was a kid. 1262125;1441327437;BingoBoingo;State court indictments are a pain, typically involve going to actual courthouse or subscribing to expensive service like Westlaw and praying they sent someone to the courthouse already. 1262126;1441327486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how would that work ? 1262127;1441327521;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you know full well the result, '17yo charged with self-exploitation and besmirching the honourable name of a servant of the crown' 1262128;1441327536;mircea_popescu;step A. get list of phone numbers of everyone. step 2. get all the 100+ sluts you know taking nude pics of themselves. step 3. having same send said pics with appropriate text to the 1. 1262129;1441327548;mircea_popescu;step d. have 2 file complaints against 1. 1262130;1441327561;mircea_popescu;100 * say 10k = 1mn counts for the system to sort through 1262131;1441327573;asciilifeform;there will be no sorting, and no trials. 1262132;1441327574;mircea_popescu;i don't care what "the result" is. 1262133;1441327592;BingoBoingo;Whatever Obama jacked off a fish on CNN, that's beastiality 1262134;1441327599;mircea_popescu;wouldja stop presenting as fact things you have literally no idea about ? 1262135;1441327610;mircea_popescu;when's the last time you spoke to a judge ? 1262136;1441327618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not recently. 1262137;1441327631;mircea_popescu;so then why and wherefore! 1262138;1441327632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but this scheme strikes me as far too obvious to be doable and not-yet-done. 1262139;1441327642;mircea_popescu;not a very good heuristic. 1262140;1441327652;asciilifeform;the other thing being that somebody has to indict. 1262141;1441327652;mircea_popescu;up to 2001 airplane bomb would have striken you idem 1262142;1441327668;asciilifeform;actually the airplane bomb was abundantly obvious since when, 1944 ? 1262143;1441327674;mircea_popescu;and so ? 1262144;1441327689;mircea_popescu;heck, the japanese even deployed them as a military weapon. 1262145;1441327691;asciilifeform;aha 1262146;1441327695;asciilifeform;hence 1944 1262147;1441327704;asciilifeform;(iirc a few in '43 even) 1262148;1441327748;mircea_popescu;so yes, we both see that this could readily be done, and we both see it's not done. i wonder in amazement, you posit a "because". i dun think your position's reasonable. 1262149;1441327784;asciilifeform;so let's see if i grok this, somebody is to indict, e.g., warren buffet, or clitler, over spam sent by some anonymous schmuck ? 1262150;1441327791;mircea_popescu;and on the balance of evidence, it's more likely the 17 yo in question have serious autism issues. because they similarly can't talk to girls and so forth. 1262151;1441327805;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? there's a complaint, there'sd proof. what else. 1262152;1441327818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36884 @ 0.00071825 = 26.4919 BTC [+] {4} 1262153;1441327843;mircea_popescu;and besides, who cares abnout eiother of these two. you just taker the whole plum book and execute it all. 1262154;1441327873;asciilifeform;wake me up when the pots of oil are boiling and the tickets are on sale 1262155;1441327890;mircea_popescu;yes, it's probable they'd come up with some sort of "doesn't count", but should be fun to see nevertheless. 1262156;1441327933;mircea_popescu;anyway, what i question is, the imbecile adolescent population that is not hard at work breaking the society they live in. 1262157;1441327937;mircea_popescu;it's unconscionable. 1262158;1441327957;asciilifeform;their 'don't count' works in the same way as in all times and places. kennedies can gf after gf, and no one indicts, corzine et al can steal $maxint, etc. 1262159;1441327958;mircea_popescu;no fucking idea who'd even want to fuck them, that broken. 1262160;1441327975;asciilifeform;*kennedies can drown 1262161;1441328020;mircea_popescu;too much ex post facto in this. kennedy yes, nixon no, clinton yes, petreus no, etc. 1262162;1441328046;asciilifeform;the ones who walked with cia - yes 1262163;1441328048;mircea_popescu;how come the woman can lose state secrets via inept emailing, and is ok, the guy can't talk to some random socially-acceptable whore 1262164;1441328050;asciilifeform;chewed at the straps - no. 1262165;1441328064;*;mircea_popescu dun buy it. 1262166;1441328134;mircea_popescu;i mean it's just as ex post facto as previously, you just hid it under a rug. srsly, "chewed at straps" ? you just call it that retrospectively. 1262167;1441328140;asciilifeform;the annointed are forgiven pecadillos like murder or grand embezzlement 1262168;1441328151;asciilifeform;show me a bonesman in jail. 1262169;1441328166;mircea_popescu;we had this with rockefellers in camps, you are barred from using the line ever again. 1262170;1441328183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00071917 = 37.8283 BTC [+] {3} 1262171;1441328189;asciilifeform;all you found was a run-down 'wine-making branch of the family' rothchild 1262172;1441328196;mircea_popescu;this is why you're barred :D 1262173;1441328211;mircea_popescu;your argument was to the name, i delivered the name. it's unsalvageable. 1262174;1441328314;mircea_popescu;incidentally - every time they let a woman near secrets it blew up. there's rice. there's nuland. there's clinton. that's almost all of them. 1262175;1441328321;mircea_popescu;you'd think they'd learn women do not belong at state. 1262176;1441328349;asciilifeform;this among other reasons is why there are no women near interesting secrets. 1262177;1441328353;asciilifeform;on either side of the atlantic. 1262178;1441328384;mircea_popescu;i wonder wtf it is, you'd expect they be better than men, generally speaking. 1262179;1441328401;asciilifeform;theoretically, but you have to build'em a nunnery 1262180;1441328407;thestringpuller;what about that chick who was in mossad... 1262181;1441328409;mircea_popescu;just going by the "there's more wives with secret children than men at any given point" 1262182;1441328412;asciilifeform;this is why i play in my head with the idea of an all-chick meta-nsa. 1262183;1441328428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which'd work for the usg rather than for alt-mp because why. 1262184;1441328436;asciilifeform;for no reason. 1262185;1441328463;asciilifeform;just as an imaginary loch ness monster can listen to bbc vs voice of america for no entirely good reason. 1262186;1441328489;mircea_popescu;haha. no such equality irl. 1262187;1441328563;asciilifeform;anyway we're imagining a physical army vs underground cells, so it stands to reason that it would work for a geographic sovereign 1262188;1441328575;asciilifeform;somewhere. 1262189;1441328637;asciilifeform;see the 'fortress' discussion. 1262190;1441328659;asciilifeform;and i will say that an entity without si fabbing capability is no meta-nsa regardless of what else. 1262191;1441328669;asciilifeform;and si fab requires a fortress. 1262192;1441328682;asciilifeform;fortress - nukes. 1262193;1441328697;asciilifeform;nukes - captive industrial base to parasitise. 1262194;1441328836;mircea_popescu;yeah that's totally how it worked for batman too 1262195;1441328895;mircea_popescu;irl, "physical army" never works for thios purpose. what you get is, at best, private manning 1262196;1441328905;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i assume you're referring to "The Dark Knight Returns". 1262197;1441328916;mircea_popescu;btw, am i the only one that finds it funny that some dude whose name was MANning decided to be a woman ? 1262198;1441328933;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller isn't batman this derp with a fortress ? 1262199;1441328942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i get that humint can be done entirely via 'hashishim' dissolved in planet at large, etc. but build me one single z80 this way. 1262200;1441328967;mircea_popescu;meta-nsa builds z80s ? 1262201;1441328969;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: ah I see. more of a cave. always thought superman was the one with teh "fortress" 1262202;1441328981;asciilifeform;meta-nsa has to be sovereign over own tools of thought. 1262203;1441328983;thestringpuller;irrelavant tho sorry 1262204;1441328992;asciilifeform;or not worthy of the name. 1262205;1441329003;mircea_popescu;but... this is a biological impossibility. 1262206;1441329017;asciilifeform;how's that? 1262207;1441329021;mircea_popescu;your brain is borrowed, not owned. 1262208;1441329033;mircea_popescu;it, principally, concerns itself with other matters. 1262209;1441329099;asciilifeform;brain is not the gold standard, aha. there is a reason why 'mentats' are creatures of imagination and we compute with machines whenever the least bit possible. 1262210;1441329119;mircea_popescu;but the point is, as your brain's not "sovereign" in this sense, no computer ever will be, and there goes that line. 1262211;1441329142;asciilifeform;what is meant by sovereign here is plainly obvious 1262212;1441329146;mircea_popescu;not so. 1262213;1441329221;asciilifeform;is this where we do the 2013 thread re: whether a fully-knowable computing machine is possible, all over again ? 1262214;1441329238;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ 1262215;1441329239;assbot;The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX ) 1262216;1441329244;asciilifeform;or that. 1262217;1441329250;mircea_popescu;what " has to be sovereign over own tools of thought" ? 1262218;1441329281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00071987 = 17.7088 BTC [+] 1262219;1441329303;asciilifeform;reasoning inductively, from 'any intelligence org that runs winblows on wintel is a joke' 1262220;1441329366;mircea_popescu;by this reasoning, real spies could never be caught dead in drag. 1262221;1441329370;mircea_popescu;because hey. joke. 1262222;1441329478;asciilifeform;is mircea_popescu just testing how much sophistry i can take before i have to go and change gas mask canister ? 1262223;1441329511;mircea_popescu;sophistry is necessarily positive. i'm merely denying. 1262224;1441329530;asciilifeform;!b 2 1262225;1441329531;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0FM2NJR.txt ) 1262226;1441329535;*;asciilifeform falls down 1262227;1441329556;*;asciilifeform brb 1262228;1441329558;mircea_popescu;there is a difference! 1262229;1441331538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23198 @ 0.00071529 = 16.5933 BTC [-] 1262230;1441332758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00070492 = 2.6082 BTC [-] 1262231;1441332993;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/09/mccollum-001.pdf << lettre de cachet lulz 1262232;1441332998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncpM2 ) 1262233;1441333091;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/journalists-arrested-on-terrorism-charges-in-turkey-for-using-crypto-software 1262234;1441333093;assbot;Journalists arrested on terrorism charges in Turkey for using crypto software | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncK1d ) 1262235;1441333093;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1262236;1441333121;asciilifeform;'Three journalists working with Vice News have been charged with "engaging in terrorist activity" on behalf of ISIL (ISIS), because one of them used encryption software. A Turkish official told Al Jazeera: "The main issue seems to be that the [journalists'] fixer uses a complex encryption system on his personal computer that a lot of ISIL militants also utilise for strategic communications."' 1262237;1441333128;asciilifeform;^ no detail on ~what~, afaik. 1262238;1441333149;asciilifeform;gonna guess it's 'jihadcrypt' or whatever that idiocy was called. 1262239;1441333188;pete_dushenski;"For students seeking to make some extra bucks to pay for tuition, Pornhub may be able to help. The adult video website is offering a $25,000 scholarship to a legal age college student who likes making others happy. " 1262240;1441333231;pete_dushenski;except... "We will not seriously consider anyone if they include explicit material in the video," Pornhub Vice President Corey Price said via email. 1262241;1441333232;trinque;maybe also in part, they're trying to protect the ISIS/Turkey connection 1262242;1441333264;trinque;general attempt to discourage on-the-ground journalism? 1262243;1441333289;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/08/im-now-an-estonian-e-resident-but-i-still-dont-know-what-to-do-with-it << a related lul from same fishwrap. mandatory non-pgp signatures in whole muppet country, aha. 1262244;1441333290;assbot;I’m now an Estonian e-resident, but I still don’t know what to do with it | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XndlA5 ) 1262245;1441333290;pete_dushenski;http://www.pornhub.com/cares/scholarship << 1262246;1441333291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xndm6Y ) 1262247;1441333307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26140 @ 0.00070452 = 18.4162 BTC [-] 1262248;1441333415;asciilifeform;' 1262249;1441333417;asciilifeform;The difference: it is legally binding under .EE law. Not like the loose PGP.' 1262250;1441333456;asciilifeform;inevitable 'embrace & extinguish', just as with bitcoin. 1262251;1441333771;mircea_popescu;heh. 1262252;1441333856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58573 @ 0.00069196 = 40.5302 BTC [-] {3} 1262253;1441333988;asciilifeform;related, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883640 1262254;1441333988;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2014 18:20:02; asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept 1262255;1441334009;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262093 << they aren't in such bad company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sI5WekW78 1262256;1441334009;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 00:13:31; shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will. 1262257;1441334010;assbot;Gotta Serve Somebody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnfMmc ) 1262258;1441334040;pete_dushenski;'video not available' 1262259;1441334061;ag3nt_zer0;ooops 1262260;1441334063;ag3nt_zer0;sec 1262261;1441334097;phf;seems like they pulled a lot of dylan tracks 1262262;1441334101;ag3nt_zer0;pete_dushenski hmmm working on my end... 1262263;1441334151;pete_dushenski;prolly an html5 thing then. i dun use flash. 1262264;1441334169;pete_dushenski;or ip or something 1262265;1441334174;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: kinda what I meant about "command structure" in teh logs 1262266;1441334180;trinque;pete_dushenski: I'm yielding to your point here, I think. 1262267;1441334187;trinque;re: desert gods 1262268;1441334201;pete_dushenski;trinque: aha that old gem ! 1262269;1441334207;trinque;that they have the thought of serving someone or something is some kind of first step 1262270;1441334221;trinque;pete_dushenski: it continues to yield fruit, this tree 1262271;1441334225;pete_dushenski;for log readers : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/ 1262272;1441334226;assbot;Good Morning ISIS. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZh38 ) 1262273;1441334318;pete_dushenski;trinque: was something in particular inspiring this reflection ? 1262274;1441334357;phf;came up when i started trash talking american christians 1262275;1441334442;trinque;pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261756 << begins more or less here 1262276;1441334442;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 19:47:36; trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine 1262277;1441334475;trinque;relatedly I am ending my current tour in the pac NW for a time, headed back to TX 1262278;1441334482;trinque;and it's causing me to reflect on what I left behind in TX 1262279;1441334514;BingoBoingo;http://www.theonion.com/article/dennys-market-researcher-emerges-focus-group-shake-51241 1262280;1441334515;assbot;Denny’s Market Researcher Emerges From Focus Group Shaken After Finding Out What Americans Really Want For Breakfast - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZALf ) 1262281;1441334543;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That one's going to take a bit. 1262282;1441334545;pete_dushenski;trinque: 'there's no place like home' (tm) 1262283;1441334575;trinque;and does one ever leave 1262284;1441334604;pete_dushenski;watch, mircea_popescu will try chengdu for a year then move back to romania. 1262285;1441334796;trinque;hehe 1262286;1441334801;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: got me on dylan now, good job 1262287;1441334822;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXIBE9INTg 1262288;1441334823;assbot;Slow Train - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZXpc ) 1262289;1441334854;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, 1262290;1441334869;asciilifeform;is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ? 1262291;1441334887;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: oh man... slow train... I bow 1262292;1441334902;ag3nt_zer0;incredible stuff 1262293;1441334962;ag3nt_zer0;I have been making it a point to go see dylan every time he comes by the gay area for the last 6-7 years... probably seen him 5-6 times in that stretch 1262294;1441335027;ag3nt_zer0;one time I saw him during his monio league baseball park tour with willie nelson and john mellancamp 1262295;1441335053;trinque;sounds like a great show 1262296;1441335116;ag3nt_zer0;and I just thought that the fact that he had shed his fanbase skin so many times resulted in a nice blend of people - christians, hippies, old school folkies, some rockers haha whatever 1262297;1441335150;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What it’s like to be poor. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/ 1262298;1441335156;ag3nt_zer0;left behnd the detritus and have people there who just are happy he shares his trip with them - honestly 1262299;1441335284;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya 1262300;1441335291;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yeah it was... mellancamp brought it that night... it was his 14 year old sons bday or something and he brought him out to play bass or something it was a good time 1262301;1441335332;ag3nt_zer0;not a huge mellancamp fan but he works hard up there and he does have some great tunes 1262302;1441335357;phf;trinque: i agree with you though, i'm judging by central pa, northern maryland, which is not necessarily the cities, but still within the sprawl. 1262303;1441335425;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750 1262304;1441335425;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ? 1262305;1441335427;assbot;Purchase: Method in randomness ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnkG2w ) 1262306;1441335834;trinque;phf: could amount to nothing, but that part's not much up to them 1262307;1441336601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76318 @ 0.0006968 = 53.1784 BTC [+] 1262308;1441336845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99129 @ 0.0006968 = 69.0731 BTC [+] 1262309;1441336866;funkenstein_;Re: Method in Randomness <-- well I'd never heard of "deepdyve", where do they find gnomes to work on this kind of bullshit? They gave me 5 minutes to "view" the article (in crippled form) in exchange for a fake email. 1262310;1441337065;phf;“Whoa! It's like Spotify but for academic articles.” 1262311;1441337089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23567 @ 0.00069143 = 16.2949 BTC [-] 1262312;1441337139;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: austin? 1262313;1441337267;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: lived there for a time, yep. grew up in the Houston burbs 1262314;1441337285;phf;i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. i mean, what is this, making your 50 years of scientific research hip? you know, for the kids. 1262315;1441337643;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262303 << if i wanted to send money to copyrasts i know where to do it 1262316;1441337643;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 02:57:05; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750 1262317;1441337652;asciilifeform;but i'd rather put it in a pyre, and light it 1262318;1441337656;asciilifeform;and put on 'youtube.' 1262319;1441337708;ag3nt_zer0;any thoughts on this? https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/09/03/renee-graham-kim-davis-follows-footsteps-george-wallace/4Hqsf6bhQoXMwhjLu0cMLO/story.html 1262320;1441337709;assbot;Renée Graham: Kim Davis follows the footsteps of George Wallace - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECkc6 ) 1262321;1441337726;ag3nt_zer0;shitstorm? 1262322;1441337735;mircea_popescu; i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. << heh. 1262323;1441337760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83928 @ 0.00070306 = 59.0064 BTC [+] {3} 1262324;1441337767;funkenstein_;look it's like a paper shredder 1262325;1441337767;asciilifeform;snorestorm. 1262326;1441337767;funkenstein_;https://docs.deepdyve.com/doc_repo_server/get-image/WwqJ0002Ec/1/4?t=1441340311&p=1&a=full&key=lJJiF9OvIRGdMQa0TNRglEOR8BY.&u=1060463&tp=3&pr=1 1262327;1441337769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECmAJ ) 1262328;1441337773;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1262329;1441337876;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262299 << all i see is old logz 1262330;1441337876;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 02:54:44; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya 1262331;1441337949;asciilifeform;and i laugh out loud re: pete_dushenski thinking that my stash of junk is 'capital goods'. all of it put together wouldn't buy an old car. 1262332;1441337964;asciilifeform;it is 'capital goods' strictly in the sense that a beggar's shoes are. 1262333;1441338074;mircea_popescu;can i buy it for the price of an old car ? :D 1262334;1441338086;asciilifeform;l0l 1262335;1441338099;asciilifeform;after i'm dead it will be sold per pound, prolly for much less than old car. 1262336;1441338119;asciilifeform;if anyone even bothers. 1262337;1441338131;phf;in other words over ascii's dead body 1262338;1441338231;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28738 1262339;1441338233;assbot;What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECHDN ) 1262340;1441338253;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1262070 <-- ??? 1262341;1441338253;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 23:18:36; fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax 1262342;1441338443;trinque;did seem like it doesn't follow.. 1262343;1441338608;wilbns;also, in kenya, for example bitcoin doesn't provide much utility beyond what m-pesa already does. the current area companies like bitpesa are trying to get traction are in remittances (where one party doesn't have m-pesa because they're outside the country), or by pitching it as a speculative financial instrument or novelty. 1262344;1441338643;asciilifeform;kenyans need bitcoin like they need gunn diodes. 1262345;1441338692;funkenstein_;wilbns, uh.. just curious what do you think the point of public coin is? 1262346;1441338716;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah, isn't that it doesn't provide utility, but not to *them* 1262347;1441338770;mats;jesus the hp 16c goes for 200+ 1262348;1441338779;asciilifeform;i got mine for around 200. 1262349;1441338812;wilbns;funkenstein_: hey, sorry, i don't understand your question. 1262350;1441338861;asciilifeform;mats: https://archive.org/details/hp-16c_handbook << manual. 1262351;1441338863;assbot;HP-16C Computer Scientist Owner's Handbook : Hewlett-Packard : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEDcO2 ) 1262352;1441338873;funkenstein_;i mean, if m-pesa already does everything we need, what's the point of using bitcoin? 1262353;1441338883;mircea_popescu;not we. them. 1262354;1441338916;asciilifeform;mats: read it before you buy, know what you're getting into. 1262355;1441339007;*;funkenstein_ expects maths to work rather similarly on any continent 1262356;1441339011;mats;at 200 apiece i think I'll pass for nao 1262357;1441339048;asciilifeform;mats: frustrating, ikr? there's maybe $2 worth of material in there. 1262358;1441339071;asciilifeform;thing could be produced today for toy store price 1262359;1441339078;asciilifeform;but it cannot be had. 1262360;1441339114;asciilifeform;at some point, they won't exist at ~any~ price. 1262361;1441339155;asciilifeform;each one that someone spills coffee on, is one less. 1262362;1441339205;mats;if only there was another cs calculator on the market 1262363;1441339220;asciilifeform;mats: afaik there never was, before or since. 1262364;1441339235;mats;pencil it in for s.nsa project #88 1262365;1441339242;asciilifeform;there were (and are) abominations where ops like the ones on 16c ~could be~ accessed ten menu keystrokes in 1262366;1441339242;mats;for good luck 1262367;1441339281;asciilifeform;mats: don't expect that it would cost any less than those vintage 16c if i were to make it. 1262368;1441339296;mats;kickstarter it is 1262369;1441339318;asciilifeform;the place where they separate idiots from their money ? 1262370;1441339327;asciilifeform;iirc there was even a calculator-themed one, at some point. 1262371;1441339453;asciilifeform;http://www.swissmicros.com << found a vendor claiming to sell a clone 1262372;1441339455;assbot;SwissMicros.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4nRb ) 1262373;1441339459;asciilifeform;mats et al ^ 1262374;1441339507;mats;I dun see any good android imitations of this concept 1262375;1441339510;asciilifeform;they made them microscoping, for some reason 1262376;1441339527;asciilifeform;*microscopic 1262377;1441339533;asciilifeform;mats: these appear to be actual calculators, not emulated 1262378;1441339540;mats;guess I'll pencil it in at the bottom of my programming projects 1262379;1441339552;asciilifeform;or wai wat 1262380;1441339555;asciilifeform;were they ?!! 1262381;1441339567;asciilifeform;l0k i'm a chump. 1262382;1441339570;asciilifeform;fake. 1262383;1441339580;asciilifeform;retardedly fake 1262384;1441339584;asciilifeform;they are stickers for pNohe. 1262385;1441339611;phf;i'm actually confused by that site 1262386;1441339622;asciilifeform;or are they?! 1262387;1441339625;*;asciilifeform also confused 1262388;1441339680;phf;nah, at $200 price 1262389;1441339683;asciilifeform;ok it appears that they are physical calcs 1262390;1441339688;phf;copy paste fail 1262391;1441339694;asciilifeform;but with removable stick-on keypads to imitate various hp machines. 1262392;1441339743;asciilifeform;http://www.retrothing.com/2014/11/dm-swiss-made-calculators.html << review. 1262393;1441339744;assbot;Retro Thing: Boutique Swiss Made Calculators ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4Liv ) 1262394;1441339771;mats;>t its heart, this calculator is an emulator of the HP-15C (running on an ARM processor, although a different family from what HP is using in the ARM-based current-production 12C and the 15C Limited Edition), and therefore has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C. 1262395;1441339779;asciilifeform;but i fucking hate chiclet keyboards. 1262396;1441339782;mats;a different review 1262397;1441339814;asciilifeform;hilarious, how 'swiss' now means laughable knockoff crud 1262398;1441339821;wilbns;funkenstein_: maybe m-pesa could utilize the tech for more efficient settlement of transactions. if someone just wants to send money to grandma or someone else in the next town, though, it's a bit of a hassle to suggest bitcoin. unless one party already has it, then they can sent it to bitpesa and they'll deliver it to the m-pesa number. if neither party has 1262399;1441339821;wilbns;it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller. 1262400;1441339839;asciilifeform;'has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C' << ahahahahahaha no. 1262401;1441339855;asciilifeform;i suppose word 'same' now means 'we say it is the same, and you, cattle, will eat it up because fuck you' 1262402;1441339871;funkenstein_;wilbns, the point is - m-pesa guys can issue as many as they want. it's private and counterfeitable 1262403;1441339956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73840 @ 0.00072079 = 53.2231 BTC [+] {3} 1262404;1441340021;wilbns;funkenstein_: yes, but most people on the street don't care as long as their money is worth the same today as it is yesterday and they can still go buy a relative equivalent of whatever with it tomorrow. 1262405;1441340038;wilbns;as it was yesterday* 1262406;1441340071;funkenstein_;wilbns, if so, this applies as well in switzerland 1262407;1441340194;trinque;the point here isn't to package bitcoin into some easily inserted suppository for everyone 1262408;1441340206;trinque;to the extent that they comprehend what it does, great, use it 1262409;1441340222;funkenstein_;aye 1262410;1441340230;asciilifeform;mats: http://kd7dvd.us/other/edc/mamabear-16c.jpg << right hand side: the real thing. left hand side: the piece of shit 1262411;1441340231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS5z6Z ) 1262412;1441340268;asciilifeform;mats: this may not be obvious from the picture, but the buttons on the actual 16c are legit separate pieces of plastic, with clickers 1262413;1441340293;asciilifeform;on the clone, they are printed on. 1262414;1441340322;asciilifeform;it is not hard to see why this is so. 1262415;1441340339;asciilifeform;it was made, almost certainly, by 'some guy' and injection molding co$$$$$$ts. 1262416;1441340351;mats;lol 18th ID challenge coin for scale 1262417;1441340358;asciilifeform;and 'nobody can tell the difference, right ??!!' 1262418;1441340401;phf;"guys, guys, there's this guy in dc who's going to be real upset" 1262419;1441340411;asciilifeform;l0l 1262420;1441340413;trinque;!b 4 1262421;1441340414;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3F9XZW0.txt ) 1262422;1441340423;trinque;^ kakobrekla will fix :p 1262423;1441340433;asciilifeform;actually the comments on one of the earlier links were 'it works but i wish it had keyboard' 1262424;1441340450;mats;s/regiment/ID 1262425;1441340482;mats;I think I'll get one, never considered how useful it would be until now 1262426;1441340502;asciilifeform;mats: the legend i was told re: 'challenge coins' is that they were issued in lieu of the 'last bullet' that americans used to slam on barroom stools in vietnam 1262427;1441340526;asciilifeform;one-upsmanshiping one another by carrying larger and larger rounds, up to antiaircraft cannon shells, 1262428;1441340536;asciilifeform;which would sometimes go off from being slammed and take off a whole hand.. 1262429;1441340568;mats;I have heard this, didn't believe it 1262430;1441340591;asciilifeform;not so believable, but beautiful story. 1262431;1441340610;asciilifeform;hard to imagine a more precious possession than 'the last bullet' 1262432;1441340614;mats;I've thrown away every coin I ever got. 1262433;1441340802;mats;only memorabilia I have left are my sapper skill books, MREs, a single uniform set, and a buncha kia bracelets 1262434;1441340810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00070778 = 44.8025 BTC [-] 1262435;1441341021;asciilifeform;mats: kia bracelet is something like a set of 'dog tags' ? 1262436;1441341079;mats;http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/3/hungary-prime-minister-says-muslims-not-welcome-amid-refugee-crisis.html 1262437;1441341080;assbot;Hungary Prime Minister Says Muslims Not Welcome | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS70T0 ) 1262438;1441341115;mats;asciilifeform: memorial bracelet, yes 1262439;1441341138;asciilifeform;memorial? 1262440;1441341143;asciilifeform;i thought it was to have your own name on it. 1262441;1441341155;asciilifeform;to be picked up by burial detail 1262442;1441341194;mats;they're different items 1262443;1441341267;mats;but yes that is what tags are for 1262444;1441341296;asciilifeform;everyone knows what tags are for. but bracelet is something else ? 1262445;1441341306;asciilifeform;made with dead friend's name ? 1262446;1441341307;mats;some RC dudes would slip one into a boot and wear the other around their necks 1262447;1441341316;mats;yes 1262448;1441341318;asciilifeform;ah. 1262449;1441341328;phf;"Adjusting your approach trajectory in the event of catastrophic landing processor failure. p. 23 HP-16c manual" 1262450;1441341368;mats;one in the boot in case ied rendered corpse visually unidentifiable l0l 1262451;1441341611;trinque;cheaper than body armor? 1262452;1441341641;trinque;I guess that doesn't help much with a good IED 1262453;1441341664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00072268 = 22.9812 BTC [+] {4} 1262454;1441341824;mats;not in the slightest 1262455;1441341930;mats;good ied doesn't kill, anyway, just maims a few dudes 1262456;1441342072;wilbns;mats, you're military? 1262457;1441342072;mats;more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact 1262458;1441342103;mats;formerly 1262459;1441342263;wilbns;was in new york a while back and at the airport, there were maybe a couple dozen guys, they all look like they just graduated high school. all w/ manila folders in hand, waiting, heading off to boot camp - all making small talk w/ one another. looked like they didn't know each other very well. was imaging how there lives were going to change and wondering if 1262460;1441342263;wilbns;it would be overall positive or negative 1262461;1441342369;mats;spoiler: peacetime mil blows 1262462;1441342439;wilbns;their* 1262463;1441342633;trinque;mats: the concussion is pretty bad too right? 1262464;1441342638;trinque;want to say I watched a docu about that 1262465;1441342661;trinque;lemme rephrase "pretty bad", the concussion is a big part of the internal damage 1262466;1441342731;mats;yes, overpressure fucks you up 1262467;1441343730;pete_dushenski;back from watching 'dumb and dumber' 1262468;1441343736;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28743 1262469;1441343737;assbot;What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFRR0y ) 1262470;1441343993;pete_dushenski;and with that, time for sleep 1262471;1441344009;pete_dushenski;ad libitum :P 1262472;1441344101;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/09/03/nearly-1-million-veterans-have-pending-applications-for-health-care-at-the-va-and-a-third-may-already-be-dead/ 1262473;1441344103;assbot;Nearly 1 million veterans have pending applications for health care at VA — and a third may already be dead - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFStDt ) 1262474;1441344455;thestringpuller;cazalla BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0PJHP1N.txt 1262475;1441344522;mats;https://www.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/3hgwtz/xpost_rsyriancivilwar_atgms_in_syria_five_months notbad 1262476;1441344524;assbot;[X-post /r/syriancivilwar] ATGMs in Syria: Five Months of Missile Strikes Saps Syrian Military Strength : CredibleDefense ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFToDG ) 1262477;1441345543;deedbot-;[Qntra] XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack - http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/ 1262478;1441345573;BingoBoingo;^ thestringpuller 1262479;1441345718;phf;asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs? 1262480;1441347686;cazalla;soz thestringpuller, looks to be that BingoBoingo got to it first 1262481;1441347947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00072155 = 13.2765 BTC [-] 1262482;1441349289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00072332 = 24.0142 BTC [+] {3} 1262483;1441349533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78600 @ 0.00072399 = 56.9056 BTC [+] {5} 1262484;1441350143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147950 @ 0.00072502 = 107.2667 BTC [+] {4} 1262485;1441352949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00072155 = 20.3477 BTC [-] 1262486;1441353010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00072155 = 14.3588 BTC [-] 1262487;1441355633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2508 @ 0.00072629 = 1.8215 BTC [+] {2} 1262488;1441355694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75242 @ 0.00072896 = 54.8484 BTC [+] {3} 1262489;1441357890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00072966 = 25.3922 BTC [+] {2} 1262490;1441357992;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Continues Growth Streak - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-continues-growth-streak/ 1262491;1441359049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00072604 = 29.4046 BTC [-] 1262492;1441359476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37102 @ 0.00072481 = 26.8919 BTC [-] 1262493;1441360416;mircea_popescu;"While I agree that not everyone is bad, I'll suggest that the number of bad people involved in bitcoin so far exceeds the number of bad people in other organizations that the whole system isn't working. I'm starting to consider whether people were wrong about the "decentralization" issue. Is it possible that decentralization was tried, and it is being proven right now that it simply doesn't work because the system bec 1262494;1441360416;mircea_popescu;omes centralized with evil people?" 1262495;1441360421;mircea_popescu;this is so fucking cute. 1262496;1441360687;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262399 << "passing aml/kyc" for dealing with money is like passing the astrology test to go to the hospital. yes some unfortunate souls stuck in retarded, abusive communities do that. 1262497;1441360687;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 04:10:21; wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller. 1262498;1441360879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.0007295 = 35.6726 BTC [+] {3} 1262499;1441360885;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262457 << he gets it. i guess from experience. http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ 1262500;1441360885;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 04:47:52; mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact 1262501;1441360886;assbot;Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP ) 1262502;1441360985;mircea_popescu;the way modern warfare works, you don't want planes and regular soldiers. you want missiles and partisans. and you don't aim to kill the enemy, you aim to maim as many as possible and encourage them to keep coming. the situation where US population is up 200mn and US war invalid population is up 50mn is a greater win for isis than the situation where the us population is 0. 1262503;1441361306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00072267 = 19.1508 BTC [-] 1262504;1441361343;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << not afair. 1262505;1441361343;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs? 1262506;1441361733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90876 @ 0.00072154 = 65.5707 BTC [-] {3} 1262507;1441364173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3259 @ 0.0007177 = 2.339 BTC [-] 1262508;1441364412;jurov;http://themindunleashed.org/2015/09/cocaine-production-plummets-after-dea-kicked-out-of-bolivia.html 1262509;1441364414;assbot;Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe ) 1262510;1441365149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67023 @ 0.00072501 = 48.5923 BTC [+] {4} 1262511;1441365200;mircea_popescu;to everyone's surprise, usg is the main driver of all things the usg "fights against". 1262512;1441365637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00072741 = 2.5823 BTC [+] 1262513;1441366979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00072201 = 68.3021 BTC [-] {2} 1262514;1441368054;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-august-2015-statement/ 1262515;1441369785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 46025 @ 0.00002248 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {2} 1262516;1441371798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48981 @ 0.0007195 = 35.2418 BTC [-] {2} 1262517;1441373262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54059 @ 0.00071975 = 38.909 BTC [+] 1262518;1441373597;*;asciilifeform writes broadcast 1262519;1441373664;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << why would you want to ? 1262520;1441373664;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs? 1262521;1441373997;shinohai;I thought mc switched you to a terminal and asked for pass when you input sudo commands. 1262522;1441374105;asciilifeform;mc runs ~in~ a terminal 1262523;1441374110;asciilifeform;where you could have su'd prior 1262524;1441374121;asciilifeform;ergo i see absolutely no reason for it to have a built-in su 1262525;1441374151;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51035 1262526;1441374152;assbot;XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JH0sKb ) 1262527;1441374360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97618 @ 0.00071575 = 69.8701 BTC [-] {5} 1262528;1441376430;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail 1262529;1441376430;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1262530;1441377107;*;asciilifeform had an interesting dream as he slept. dreamt that he had occasion, for some reason, to call the cops. they came, and instead of registering whatever complaint (something involving cars) began to fill up his house, room by room, until seemingly no more could fit, but continued to pack, pack, until walls began to crack under the sheer pressure of meat 1262531;1441377153;*;asciilifeform had a tremendous house in this dream, with many spiral staircases, etc 1262532;1441377339;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262509 << ahahahahaha. they aren't 'kicked out' until 1) they haven't the option of returning, while 2) pharma-grade cocaine is sold for five cents on every street corner in santa cruz, and for export by the million tonnes 1262533;1441377339;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 11:00:14; assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe ) 1262534;1441377614;asciilifeform;usg is a planetary infestation, 'kicked out' is really a feeble and temporary thing. 1262535;1441377724;asciilifeform;usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm) 1262536;1441379179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24828 @ 0.00072412 = 17.9785 BTC [+] 1262537;1441380826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00072495 = 56.8361 BTC [+] {3} 1262538;1441381419;phf;su/sudo vfs would be handy for copying files between users without having to adjust permissions or escalate to superuser. one pane is user foo, other pane is user bar. doesn't matter if foo's pane is in 700 folder, and if you were to copy, file will be created as belonging to user bar, with his umask applied 1262539;1441383823;funkenstein_;;;google that's what happens when you call the cops 1262540;1441383825;gribble;Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump - YouTube: ; Anarchast Ep. 148 Rob Hustle: This is What Happens When You ...: ; This is what happens when you call the cops! - YouTube: 1262541;1441384183;funkenstein_;nice article thanks jurov. "I'll take Regulatory Capture for 400 millies, Alex" 1262542;1441384478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol i wouldn't be too worried about it. 1262543;1441384490;mircea_popescu;there's no university free hitman service 1262544;1441384942;mircea_popescu;hearn being around makes me not even miss armandi or taaki all that much. 1262545;1441384960;mircea_popescu;bitcoin gotta have a total lolcow at all times lest it collapses into itself. 1262546;1441385681;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1262547;1441386589;ascii_field;http://bost.ocks.org/mike/hive << interesting (requires graphical www browser) 1262548;1441386590;assbot;Hive Plots ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJMmW ) 1262549;1441386608;ascii_field;(source: https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki/Gallery ) 1262550;1441386610;assbot;Gallery · mbostock/d3 Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJQmB ) 1262551;1441386702;ascii_field;http://www.brightpointinc.com/interactive/political_influence/index.html?source=d3js << 'wot' 1262552;1441386704;assbot;Political Influence Data Visualization D3.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJX1z ) 1262553;1441386740;ascii_field;http://www.koalastothemax.com << toy. 1262554;1441386741;assbot;Koalas to the Max dot Com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7MQK8 ) 1262555;1441386804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00072532 = 26.5467 BTC [+] {3} 1262556;1441386874;ascii_field;http://www.findtheconversation.com/concept-map << yet another 'wot' 1262557;1441386875;assbot;Concept map ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7N3gp ) 1262558;1441386965;ascii_field;lastly, http://www.whodotheyserve.com << lizardz! 1262559;1441386967;assbot;WhoDoTheyServe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Nes9 ) 1262560;1441387398;BingoBoingo;ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51115 1262561;1441387399;assbot;XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7O0oW ) 1262562;1441387588;ben_vulpes;why do we never discuss java? 1262563;1441387608;BingoBoingo;Because Hearn discusses Java 1262564;1441387629;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1262565;1441387634;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: discuss, discuss 1262566;1441387675;jurov;some ppl are allergic to it 1262567;1441387700;ben_vulpes;so java has an asym library, does that shell out to gpg as well? 1262568;1441387712;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i don't know and don't care 1262569;1441387718;ascii_field;i will not keep java on my systems. 1262570;1441387721;ascii_field;and nobody can make me. 1262571;1441387740;ben_vulpes;great, but why? 1262572;1441387763;ben_vulpes;and who's making you keep python and perl on your systems? 1262573;1441387766;ascii_field;because the entire ecosystem of it is a kind of zoo for idiots and their idiocies 1262574;1441387776;ascii_field;make cobol look good 1262575;1441387780;ascii_field;much less perl 1262576;1441387833;funkenstein_;ben_vulpes, which java, which library? 1262577;1441387889;trinque;I personally know I'll never have a clear picture of what the VM and the machine underneath are doing *while* writing a program 1262578;1441387901;trinque;thing's huge 1262579;1441387944;ben_vulpes;"fits in head" is a realistic goal with python, perl and cpp? 1262580;1441387946;funkenstein_;see "bedrock" 1262581;1441387966;trinque;ben_vulpes: nah but they're smaller 1262582;1441387979;ben_vulpes;(or ruby...) 1262583;1441387980;trinque;cpp maybe not so much smaller 1262584;1441387995;BingoBoingo;C can fit in head 1262585;1441387995;trinque;ben_vulpes: and yes this whole thing runs into pragmatism vs pure science, no? 1262586;1441388001;funkenstein_;http://50noticias.com/2015/08/ahh-yaaa-roban-banco-en-la-castellana-y-se-llevan-solo-impresoras/ <-- nice story on a couple of levels 1262587;1441388003;assbot;¡AHH YAAA! Roban banco en La Castellana y se llevan solo impresoras - 50noticias.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7PeRc ) 1262588;1441388039;trinque;ben_vulpes: python's probably riddled with holes everywhere somebody wrote a shoddy python c module 1262589;1441388044;funkenstein_;I always considered java to be like "C++ for dummies" 1262590;1441388056;trinque;I'd expect Java is also fucked along that border, among other places 1262591;1441388058;ascii_field;i will neither write nor read java. not even for money. 1262592;1441388075;ascii_field;(strictly for weaponized exploitation - might) 1262593;1441388080;trinque;the "native method interface" thing 1262594;1441388120;*;ben_vulpes wonders what it must be like to feel so strongly about programming languages 1262595;1441388146;ascii_field;actually it is less about languages and more about the people who used them. 1262596;1441388170;ben_vulpes;"i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines" 1262597;1441388194;funkenstein_;the language is the lexicon 1262598;1441388220;ascii_field;the language, in this case, is not just a language but an ecosystem with unavoidable exposure to the work of many previous users 1262599;1441388280;trinque;yeah I do get really scared when say leiningen pulls down five hundred java modules of questionable origin, when I've worked in Clojure in the past 1262600;1441388304;trinque;dependency hell like when you install gnome, and get dildoctl shoved up your ass 1262601;1441388335;trinque;there are probably many packages you could all but guarantee are in the vast majority of java projects 1262602;1441388374;ascii_field;the real question is why should i even consider the matter. because i can't really see why i should not also consider flossing my teeth with barbed wire, if considering java. 1262603;1441388391;ascii_field;they seem like equally meritorious ideas. 1262604;1441388427;ben_vulpes;> dildoctl 1262605;1441388450;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262596 >> more like 'keep that caked dog shit with plutonium shavings off my machines' 1262606;1441388450;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 17:36:10; ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines" 1262607;1441388451;ben_vulpes;how is python not barbed wire? 1262608;1441388460;ascii_field;python is just plain piano wire 1262609;1441388476;ben_vulpes;enough with the floppy metaphors! 1262610;1441388502;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: let's get to the matter, if you would like to rewrite 'v' in sed and awk, go ahead. i was not equal to the task. 1262611;1441388520;ascii_field;they are cleaner, more well-defined items than python, yes. 1262612;1441388556;ben_vulpes;the 'dsl' so produced by their use is not in any sense legible, however. 1262613;1441388561;ascii_field;aha. 1262614;1441388563;trinque;bash olympics, which somehow reminds me of the BME olympics 1262615;1441388602;ben_vulpes;two 'clean', 'well-defined' items whose use produces code that is illegible. 1262616;1441388635;ascii_field;when i did it, at any rate. 1262617;1441388637;trinque;python's fine; guy needs some tests is all 1262618;1441388640;ascii_field;perhaps ben_vulpes can make it legible. 1262619;1441388647;trinque;and then you could use the tests to rewrite later 1262620;1441388654;trinque;ben_vulpes: I recommended testing! 1262621;1441388655;ascii_field;trinque: no, ben_vulpes has a point, python sux 1262622;1441388672;ascii_field;trinque: but i was unable to find a suitable replacement for this item. 1262623;1441388681;trinque;I am painfully aware of teh suck of python 1262624;1441388704;trinque;two options I see are ball o' bash or CL 1262625;1441388706;ascii_field;perl was the only serious candidate, and if ben_vulpes would like to attempt a cleaner version (!) in it, i'm all ears. 1262626;1441388718;*;funkenstein_ admits java was mother tongue, still finds himself translating in head from other languages 1262627;1441388724;ascii_field;as for cl, a unix tool with multi-second startup times is not usable here. 1262628;1441388730;trinque;yeah true 1262629;1441388742;trinque;was thinking re: the DSL comment 1262630;1441388754;trinque;I think python is a fair choice given the circumstances 1262631;1441388795;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-04-2015#1110883 1262632;1441388795;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell. 1262633;1441388845;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: any changes i'd make would produce higher linecounts. 1262634;1441388863;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: this is fine if you're adding a useful knob 1262635;1441388872;ascii_field;e.g., file histories 1262636;1441388879;*;ben_vulpes is not convinced that brevity is the be all and end all. 1262637;1441388882;ascii_field;(display changes to particular file) 1262638;1441388890;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: there are two kinds of brevity 1262639;1441388895;ascii_field;one is perl-brevity, a false god 1262640;1441388905;ascii_field;where one measures nonwhitespace characters strictly 1262641;1441388917;ascii_field;the other kind is conceptual mass 1262642;1441388925;ascii_field;which ~is~ the one true objective. 1262643;1441388931;ascii_field;after correctness. 1262644;1441388978;trinque;nothing particularly pisses me off about v.py 1262645;1441388987;trinque;looks like it's formatted like a guy who likes CL might 1262646;1441389015;ascii_field;speaking of, one useful knob would be sexpr output. 1262647;1441389042;trinque;I don't use classes in python if I can avoid it, nor many other parts of the language 1262648;1441389046;ascii_field;another would be graphviz output. 1262649;1441389076;deedbot-;[Qntra] Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through "Forward Secrecy" - http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/ 1262650;1441389077;ascii_field;^ this one is actually necessary and if no one else does it, i will. but can't promise ~when~. 1262651;1441389165;trinque;I could hack on that this weekend 1262652;1441389180;trinque;and maybe do some general tidying 1262653;1441389196;trinque;or if ben_vulpes wants to, sounds fine too 1262654;1441389239;ascii_field;ideally, each 'bubble' would be clickable and contain links to download patch and all signatures 1262655;1441389252;ascii_field;(this would be hosted on a wwwtronic thing similar to turdatron, presumably) 1262656;1441389443;ascii_field;'Cavium has issued a patch and noti- 1262657;1441389443;ascii_field;fied all customers (CVE-2015-5738) that 1262658;1441389443;ascii_field;are using older SDK 2.x Cavium Cryptographic 1262659;1441389443;ascii_field;Software under Linux on older 1262660;1441389443;ascii_field;OCTEON II CN6xxx Hardware with details 1262661;1441389444;ascii_field;of the vulnerability. OCTEON II 1262662;1441389446;ascii_field;running Simple Exec (SE-S) applications 1262663;1441389448;ascii_field;and OCTEON III CN7xxx processors are 1262664;1441389452;ascii_field;not affected.' 1262665;1441389454;ascii_field;l0l 1262666;1441389508;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1262667;1441389517;ascii_field;Run Moar Closed Crypto Turdz 1262668;1441389550;ascii_field;Use Moar American Standardz 1262669;1441389671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.0007257 = 31.06 BTC [+] {3} 1262670;1441389731;ascii_field;'We observed one rather peculiar factorization of a RSA modulus, involving factor 23. What happened was that the public key in the X.509 certificate was corrupted in some (there was a bit flip, according to the server operator), and equation (1) accidentally revealed the factor 23. The corrupted modulus had other small factors, too, and a large composite factor with an unknown factorization.' 1262671;1441389747;ascii_field;^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l 1262672;1441389841;ascii_field;'Some servers occasionally or consistently produce ServerKeyExchange messages which contain RSA signatures which are zero. Encoding of the number zero varied. In some cases, zero or one bytes were transmitted. Sometimes the length of the signature matched the size of the RSA modulus. The latter suggests that the server implementation may have omitted the copy of the computed signature. This could happen if RSA-CRT 1262673;1441389841;ascii_field;hardening detects a faulty signature, does not write the result to a caller-provided buffer, returns an error.' 1262674;1441389847;ascii_field;^ k0000sm1k rayzz !! 1262675;1441390383;thestringpuller;Maybe there is hope yet: 1262676;1441390383;thestringpuller;Bitcoin is good for storing wealth in a deflationary, censorship resistant way. It is not very good for mainstream retail usage (yet). 1262677;1441390386;thestringpuller;Yes, Bitcoin will go up in value just by people holding it. That's how commodities work. I don't see anyone "using" gold. 1262678;1441390389;thestringpuller;i consider myself part of the internet mob 1262679;1441390392;thestringpuller;I could tell as soon as I read the nonsense you post about Blockstream 1262680;1441390530;mats;bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' 1262681;1441391359;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1262682;1441391379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48936 @ 0.00072438 = 35.4483 BTC [-] 1262683;1441391623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65681 @ 0.0007238 = 47.5399 BTC [-] {5} 1262684;1441395224;mats;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/pwn2own-loses-hp-as-its-sponsor-amid-new-cyberweapon-restrictions 1262685;1441395225;assbot;Pwn2Own loses HP as its sponsor amid new cyberweapon restrictions | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9RH9i ) 1262686;1441395271;shinohai;O.o wow 1262687;1441395466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21239 @ 0.00072372 = 15.3711 BTC [-] 1262688;1441395815;mats;http://strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20150904.aspx 1262689;1441395816;assbot;Warplanes: ISIL Adopts Chinese UAVs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrhxij ) 1262690;1441395851;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1262691;1441395857;ascii_field;mats: toy store hardware 1262692;1441395869;mats;its all toy store hardware, man 1262693;1441395885;ascii_field;mats: not that it can't fly a frag. sop in donbass. 1262694;1441395962;mats;my boss was a master instructor for the raven, 'military-grade UAS' 1262695;1441395999;mats;piece of shit would fall out of the sky a quarter to third of the time it was flown 1262696;1441396016;ascii_field;mats: what was nominally 'military' about it, other than the cost ? 1262697;1441396138;mats;what qualifies as 'military'? i don't believe the army operates any uas with arms 1262698;1441396159;ascii_field;i do not know 1262699;1441396165;ascii_field;but mats did say 'military-grade' 1262700;1441396263;jurov;in quotes 1262701;1441396302;ascii_field;one example of 'military' feature would be, say, guidance via laser (or something else the opponent can't jam with $5 of components) 1262702;1441396317;mats;interesting features, i guess, might include repeaters, a gimbaled payload (expensive camera and sensors) 1262703;1441396332;ascii_field;or perhaps a little cup in which to stuff a frag with the spoon out 1262704;1441396343;ascii_field;and a solenoid to squeeze it back out on command 1262705;1441396355;ascii_field;*with the pin out 1262706;1441396402;ascii_field;or, hell, clamps for a 'claymore' 1262707;1441396410;ascii_field;use imagination. 1262708;1441396485;mats;as far as i know the army only operates drones to surveill and recon 1262709;1441396538;mats;afaik usn/usaf programs are the ones that kill people via rc 1262710;1441396869;mats;http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/09/aqim-highlights-attack-on-un-troops-in-mali.php 1262711;1441396902;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1262712;1441397101;mats;http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1270 1262713;1441397103;assbot;A Hard Look at Hard Power: Assessing the Defense Capabilities of Key U.S. Allies and Security Partners ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrlpjp ) 1262714;1441397118;mats;doesnt look good for nato 1262715;1441397243;mats;european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft 1262716;1441397484;mats;from the foreword: 'In short, at a time when the United States needs the most help, the prospects for receiving it, with the exception of a few allies, look more worrisome than at any point since perhaps the immediate aftermath of World War II.' - COL (Ret.) Lovelace 1262717;1441397540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22578 @ 0.00072741 = 16.4235 BTC [+] 1262718;1441397984;BingoBoingo;http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet 1262719;1441397986;assbot;Another Neurodegenerative Disease Linked To Prion Mechanism | September 7, 2015 Issue - Vol. 93 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUrNb ) 1262720;1441398070;BingoBoingo;Also http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/09/03/ap_520239149091_wide-228d7d439dae264b8a80e01f4457b50d9b00cdaa-s1100-c15.jpg << Stingray 1262721;1441398070;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUybt ) 1262722;1441399919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00072741 = 13.7844 BTC [+] 1262723;1441401932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00072746 = 19.2049 BTC [+] {3} 1262724;1441401978;mats;;;isup log.-a.link 1262725;1441401978;gribble;log.-a.link is down 1262726;1441401983;mats;;;isup log.b-a.link 1262727;1441401984;gribble;log.b-a.link is up 1262728;1441401990;mats;;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com 1262729;1441401992;gribble;log.bitcoin-assets.com is up 1262730;1441402105;mats;;;isup coinbr.com 1262731;1441402106;gribble;coinbr.com is up 1262732;1441402170;shinohai;\o/ now if i only had btc to trade with the mermaids! 1262733;1441402302;mircea_popescu;hey, anyone wanna do a sepa paymenbt for me ? coupla k's. 1262734;1441402481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83789 @ 0.00072334 = 60.6079 BTC [-] {2} 1262735;1441402498;mats;coinbr doesn't look up from over here 1262736;1441402542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10061 @ 0.00072266 = 7.2707 BTC [-] {2} 1262737;1441402578;mircea_popescu;hm logs really laggy for some reason 1262738;1441402600;shinohai;same here mats coinbr not loading 1262739;1441402625;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/bundles/rhrsa.txt holy shiot 1262740;1441402626;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2UvtY ) 1262741;1441402662;mircea_popescu;dude... 1262742;1441402766;kakobrekla;hm works here 1262743;1441402770;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo i must point out qntra is in fact satisfying its job as a news site. I get news thgere. 1262744;1441402771;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1262745;1441402827;shinohai;heh I get "under maintenance" page on my direct ip, and endless load from vpn 1262746;1441402859;trinque;endless load over here re: coinbr 1262747;1441402874;shinohai;T_T 1262748;1441402874;mircea_popescu;curl: (52) Empty reply from server 1262749;1441402875;mircea_popescu;* Closing connection #0 1262750;1441402883;mircea_popescu;^ logs 1262751;1441402974;shinohai;!s Andrew Miller scam 1262752;1441402975;assbot;10 results for 'Andrew Miller scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Andrew+Miller+scam 1262753;1441402999;shinohai;d'oh 1262754;1441403075;kakobrekla;logz http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt 1262755;1441403076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu ) 1262756;1441403078;mircea_popescu; great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike using ripple. you'r 1262757;1441403078;mircea_popescu;e a ridiculously quaint figure stuck on the long sunk battleships of the past. 1262758;1441403100;mircea_popescu;sorta like being an uk citizen. seriously, in 2015 ? why not be a hittite while you're doing anachronisms. 1262759;1441403122;shinohai;https://www.umiacs.umd.edu/about-us/news/mc2-doctoral-student-spreads-his-wealth-bitcoin-knowledge <<< signed up for your coursera course, watched 5 lectures and felt dumber than when I went in. 1262760;1441403124;assbot;MC2 Doctoral Student Spreads His Wealth of Bitcoin Knowledge | UMIACS ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2VwCe ) 1262761;1441403128;mircea_popescu;sure, one can pretend that "well, it's a country." if one wants to. but for foreigners, no, it isn't. it was an empire and now it's nothing. not even a hole. 1262762;1441403160;mircea_popescu;why don 1262763;1441403177;mircea_popescu;t we use ecc ? or pki ? they're "perfectly functional solutions" that "other people" have "come to expect" blablabla. 1262764;1441403194;mircea_popescu; and nobody can make me. << gotta love republican thought! 1262765;1441403335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44284 @ 0.00072755 = 32.2188 BTC [+] {2} 1262766;1441403414;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1262767;1441403428;ascii_modem;log dead? 1262768;1441403447;mircea_popescu;apparently. is a paste by kako above, i have my own copy too 1262769;1441403466;ascii_modem;above lol 1262770;1441403478;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt 1262771;1441403479;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu ) 1262772;1441403491;ascii_modem;ty 1262773;1441403495;mircea_popescu;mp 1262774;1441403535;mircea_popescu;and here's mine. http://dpaste.com/28MEH3A 1262775;1441403536;assbot;dpaste: 28MEH3A ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wlez ) 1262776;1441403573;kakobrekla;this works ? https://archive.is/XoLUq 1262777;1441403575;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wnmw ) 1262778;1441403611;mircea_popescu;"El periodista Daniel Colina inform por medio de su cuenta en la red social Twitter inform que el Banco de Venezuela ubicada en La Castellana fue robado el pasado 10 de agosto en horas de la noche, los maleantes solo se llevaron las impresoras y televisores del lugar." 1262779;1441403612;mircea_popescu;win lmao 1262780;1441403623;mircea_popescu;(robbed bank in venezuela, thieves took printers and tvs) 1262781;1441403628;trinque;log loaded over here 1262782;1441403641;mircea_popescu;loaded here too. 1262783;1441403661;mircea_popescu;them rays are strong today, better do less global warming for bitcoin mining! 1262784;1441403665;ascii_modem;and here. 1262785;1441403701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00072266 = 54.4886 BTC [-] 1262786;1441403702;trinque;my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc 1262787;1441403704;trinque;left all my books! 1262788;1441403710;trinque;that gave me quite a lol 1262789;1441403710;ascii_modem;they took their sweet time, installing that splice... 1262790;1441403770;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem kinda why the venezuela bank story is so lulzy. look at this picture worth 1k words : http://50noticias.com/portal/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Banco_de_Venezuela_Punto_Fijo_0011.jpg 1262791;1441403772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WI8P ) 1262792;1441403784;ascii_modem;dead link 1262793;1441403787;mircea_popescu;this is how a bank looks in the united states of america now. and in the future. 1262794;1441403794;mircea_popescu;"Sin impresora para trmites agencia del Banco de Venezuela La Castellana tras robo ocurrido hace 8 das." 1262795;1441403820;mircea_popescu;takes 8+ days to replace stolen printers in venezuela, takes 8+ minutes to do a splicing in us.net, etc. 1262796;1441403876;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem for the maybe related tinfoilhat category : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-09-04.log.html#t21:22:17 1262797;1441403876;assbot;#Eulora log for Friday, 2015-09-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WTAU ) 1262798;1441403886;mircea_popescu;eulora was also unreachable across teh atlantic apparently. 1262799;1441403922;mircea_popescu; the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case. 1262800;1441404011;mircea_popescu;i never ever spoke any russian, with anyone, pre b-a, because no, russian is not "the vocabulary", but principally the set of historical russians. between tolstoy and hruschev not so much to pick. 1262801;1441404065;ascii_modem;sorta what i tried to explain to ben_vulpes 1262802;1441404069;mircea_popescu;and i suspect pretty strongly that the interest in romanian such as it is is because ~I~ speak it, here as well as in my harem and anywhere else genuine interest exists for this particular item in the "crappy language pack". 1262803;1441404075;mircea_popescu;not because it rhymes and aliterates well. 1262804;1441404096;mircea_popescu;in short, without "acest articol are avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi", romanian doesn't even aliterate. at all. 1262805;1441404106;shinohai;trinque: if you are like me, stealing a man's guitar is akin to stealing his woman 1262806;1441404109;ascii_modem;'ru i will learn only because... it was spoke by lenin' 1262807;1441404136;trinque;shinohai: the acoustic had sentimental value, dad bought it for me. 1262808;1441404143;trinque;but whatever, enjoy crackheads 1262809;1441404150;trinque;wtf are they going to do with a storage server anyway 1262810;1441404155;shinohai;Porque la guitarra me toqua, no al reves 1262811;1441404156;trinque;pawn for 50 bucks? 1262812;1441404187;mircea_popescu;50 bucks is by now a few day's meth 1262813;1441404229;ascii_modem;usually they steal first, ask questions later 1262814;1441404260;mircea_popescu;"hey, what's that big ipad thing ?" "i dunno man, some older version. worth some scratch fo sho" 1262815;1441404270;trinque;yeah, clearly had a truck/van, smashed back window, grabbed all 1262816;1441404294;trinque;hope the 4u fell on someone, fucker was heavy 1262817;1441404317;trinque;on the plus side, less to unpack later; I wasn't going to bring furniture anyway, so these were mostly toys stolen 1262818;1441404329;ascii_modem;trinque: page the thermite squib! 1262819;1441404336;shinohai;trinque: got serial #'s on that ? 1262820;1441404342;trinque;ahaha, well if they plug anything in... I have my ways 1262821;1441404347;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem if they break into his car and thereby lose a hand in the explosion he's going to jail. 1262822;1441404348;trinque;nothing explosive unfortunately 1262823;1441404356;trinque;mircea_popescu: sad state of affairs 1262824;1441404365;mircea_popescu;one of the most fucktarded things the brits gifted the world. 1262825;1441404377;trinque;be reasonable! 1262826;1441404388;trinque;reasonable's you smash a man's car and that's the end of you 1262827;1441404405;trinque;place in town fixed same day in two hours; I was impressed 1262828;1441404410;mircea_popescu;(but in the original context it made a lot of sense. you really don't want to lose an arm because you innocently wandered into what you thought was a shop. because the patrimonial dispute thereby ensuing can be fixed, but the arm can not be reattached.) 1262829;1441404429;ascii_modem;innocent my arse. 1262830;1441404437;mircea_popescu;at the time this was a lot more likely than today. 1262831;1441404452;mircea_popescu;owing to a population 1/20 as large, kept in check by a deeply patriarchical society. 1262832;1441404453;ascii_modem;usg empowers scum as deliberate policy. 1262833;1441404459;trinque;bum wanders into my lawn; he doesn't necessarily deserve to be shot 1262834;1441404469;trinque;stealing half my posessions seems it oughta come with a price though 1262835;1441404473;mircea_popescu;yes, it does, but this should not corrupt our understanding of history, politics, or legal matters. 1262836;1441404506;ascii_modem;'wanders' through door and into arse 1262837;1441404562;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms. 1262838;1441404572;trinque;eh can't just come out blasting; say the guy's looking for his dumb toddler that wandered onto your porch 1262839;1441404595;trinque;mircea_popescu: lol 1262840;1441404608;mircea_popescu;(this event actually happened. splendid ass, /me grabs it, woman turns unamused and asks me what i'm doing, i retort that i'm innocently grabbing your ass, she says don't do that and i say alright.) 1262841;1441404635;mircea_popescu;postcards from a saner world. 1262842;1441404654;trinque;!b 5 1262843;1441404654;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1K4GMB3.txt ) 1262844;1441404692;mircea_popescu;and yes, much like the "don't thermite" thing, this worked fine in a world 1/50 as small and very deeply patriarchical. 1262845;1441404705;mircea_popescu;but in the us of today this is not feasible, for the same reason email spam is a thing 1262846;1441404732;mircea_popescu;poor girl'd have holes through her butt, finger shaped, and collapse out of sheer exhaust of turning and saying "doin't do that" fifty million times. 1262847;1441404736;ascii_modem;note the difference b/w thermiting a stolen box remotely, and minefield 1262848;1441404754;mircea_popescu;ok, different story. 1262849;1441404811;mircea_popescu;as a kid, /me fambly had a neighbour. one day mom's cooking and i'm computing in other room. door was unlocked (most of my life i lived in a world where locks were not really useful). neighbour blasts in, goes past mom, into room, has a wrench, approaches heating element decidedly 1262850;1441404816;ascii_modem;in usa - both jail. but there is a difference. 1262851;1441404821;mircea_popescu;then he turns to me and goes "what the fuck have you done to it ?!?!" 1262852;1441404827;trinque;shinohai: yeah I have pictures of the relevant stickers with all that, but don't give a siht 1262853;1441404831;mircea_popescu;and im lioke what and he's like it's fixed and then is like "oooooh" 1262854;1441404833;trinque;server was 125 or w/e 1262855;1441404836;mircea_popescu;had gone one flight too many in his anger. 1262856;1441404837;trinque;guitar is long gone 1262857;1441404858;trinque;all can be replaced 1262858;1441404925;mircea_popescu;trinque coupla hundred are certainly cheaper than shooting some derp. 1262859;1441404932;shinohai;I'm quite sad for you trinque because a similar situation occurred to me. Losing an instrument to someone that loves music as I do is akin to losing a limb. 1262860;1441404941;trinque;eh I don't cry over that shit 1262861;1441404946;trinque;just commenting on the scum about 1262862;1441404949;trinque;mircea_popescu: indeed 1262863;1441404954;mircea_popescu;shinohai i think unlike most music lovers, he knows he stinks. 1262864;1441404965;shinohai;xD 1262865;1441404986;trinque;yeah I'm total shit on the guitar 1262866;1441404988;trinque;hehe 1262867;1441404999;shinohai;I am too 1262868;1441405008;trinque;just chords and having fun, is all it was for 1262869;1441405056;mircea_popescu;nothing about womenz and panties in there whatsoever. i'm sure. 1262870;1441405061;trinque;nah never 1262871;1441405061;mircea_popescu;o nm, you did say "fun" 1262872;1441405068;trinque;heh, indeed 1262873;1441405079;shinohai;Music is the ambrosia of the soul and all that. When one is drunk, one rarely cares if it is fine wine or swag. 1262874;1441405126;mircea_popescu; ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l << omfg that is FUCKING RIDICULOUS. 1262875;1441405517;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262837 <<< neither would I have a pollon 1262876;1441405517;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 22:09:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms. 1262877;1441405735;mircea_popescu; bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' << the first point is true in the objective. it is however "relatively deflationary" in the sense that to the rocket, all things seem to be sinking ; 2 is an obscure point of the future but seems likely correct ; 3. is outright false. willingness to hold === value 1262878;1441405735;mircea_popescu;. end of story. 1262879;1441405776;mircea_popescu;jurov sent an email to the ml ~5 mins ago, i don't see it on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/thread.html any idea why ? 1262880;1441405777;assbot;The BTC-dev September 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1O30G12 ) 1262881;1441405982;mircea_popescu; european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft << nato is basically european-wide greece for military issues. specifically this : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259766 1262882;1441405982;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry 1262883;1441406024;mircea_popescu;!up anono 1262884;1441406071;*;mircea_popescu falls into an alf-style rage over the ml thing. 1262885;1441406094;mircea_popescu;the friability of this thing, whereby i did something, i didn't observe the expected result, and don't know what to do is driving me fucking bonkers. 1262886;1441406106;trinque;I'm still waiting on being able to switch out of "digest" mode 1262887;1441406336;mircea_popescu;to doubleckeck here : email to the address, had a plaintext as 1st attachment and detached sig as 2nd attachment/ 1262888;1441406339;mircea_popescu;amirite ? 1262889;1441406649;trinque;and signed message body? 1262890;1441407458;mircea_popescu;no body. wasn't body optional ? 1262891;1441407671;mircea_popescu;!up xinxiwang 1262892;1441407684;xinxiwang;thanks 1262893;1441407698;xinxiwang;the market is calm. 1262894;1441407699;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ? 1262895;1441407713;xinxiwang;do you still remember coinut.com? 1262896;1441407723;trinque;mircea_popescu: could be; not sure 1262897;1441407818;xinxiwang;did the authentication process change? 1262898;1441407825;mircea_popescu;!s coinut 1262899;1441407825;assbot;4 results for 'coinut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinut 1262900;1441407831;mircea_popescu;the logs remember. 1262901;1441407936;xinxiwang;nice 1262902;1441408030;mircea_popescu;trinque hm it might have been the armored detached sig o.O 1262903;1441408105;xinxiwang;it seems more quiet than before. 1262904;1441408163;mircea_popescu;ok, for the record : sent it with no body, and with a clearsigned body ; the latter with .asc armored signature and with .sig binary signature. still nothing there. 1262905;1441408176;trinque;huh, maybe the ML's just busted 1262906;1441408188;mircea_popescu;the "with clearsigned body and .sig signature" version is exact replica of the single email i successfully sent to date, back in the days of the V patch. 1262907;1441408189;trinque;as far as I recall that's right 1262908;1441408196;trinque;hm, yeah 1262909;1441408361;*;mircea_popescu gives up 1262910;1441408367;mircea_popescu;we need something to do this. 1262911;1441408382;mircea_popescu;i estimate currently this sort of thing is 99% why we don't get more work submitted. 1262912;1441408619;trinque;maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? 1262913;1441408656;trinque;or do you mean replacing mailman with another mail thing that works better 1262914;1441408670;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. all i know atm is this does not in fact work as is 1262915;1441408693;*;mircea_popescu thinks about it 1262916;1441408693;trinque;myup 1262917;1441408697;*;trinque departs for now 1262918;1441409984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60615 @ 0.0007283 = 44.1459 BTC [+] {2} 1262919;1441410045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30935 @ 0.00073164 = 22.6333 BTC [+] 1262920;1441410716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31467 @ 0.00073181 = 23.0279 BTC [+] {3} 1262921;1441410865;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo 1262922;1441410895;asciilifeform;body can also consist of attachment, in the form: 1st attach: body.txt (clearsigned text) 1262923;1441410902;asciilifeform;in fact, if i do it any other way, it dies 1262924;1441410910;asciilifeform;because SOME FUCKTARDATION MUTILATES THE ASCII 1262925;1441410934;asciilifeform; maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. 1262926;1441411043;asciilifeform;about half done, at this moment. 1262927;1441411177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and it dun work with binary signature for anything. 1262928;1441411191;asciilifeform;gotta use armoured. 1262929;1441411199;cazalla;#3 or #4 design change for dat bitcoin phoundation https://bitcoinfoundation.org/ 1262930;1441411202;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation | Supporting Education, Adoption and Development in Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxRDFd ) 1262931;1441411226;cazalla;they never seem to forget the inclusion of token african kid with mobile 1262932;1441411237;kakobrekla;>We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! 1262933;1441411241;kakobrekla;on that very page. 1262934;1441411248;kakobrekla;so get ready for #5 1262935;1441411303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000145.html << good example of how to use turdatron. click on the links to see each of the three attachments verbatim. 1262936;1441411304;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxROR0 ) 1262937;1441411311;kakobrekla;like buttstamp "we just got hacked, we dont know where hour heads are so we refreshed our webpage while you wait." 1262938;1441411394;asciilifeform;ftr i happen to think that the turdatron is an abomination, but presently i have no idea what could be used instead. in fact, iirc i was the one to suggest the current scheme. 1262939;1441411491;asciilifeform;one possible variant would be to permit l1 folks to deedbot arbitrary detached signatures, and then accept via mail any document that matches the signature (one per, or we get dosed) 1262940;1441412315;pete_dushenski;http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a958e207098bb86c56aaaf72fd32d49/tumblr_msoz7xsp541qzi1ujo1_500.jpg << ava gardner. at 13 (!!!) years of age 1262941;1441412315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxTgmv ) 1262942;1441412402;pete_dushenski;http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.674381 << lulzy example of israeli tech leading the way 1262943;1441412404;assbot;Amid Migrant Crisis, Europeans Interested in Israeli Border Barriers - World - Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxTnOQ ) 1262944;1441413212;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28797 1262945;1441413214;assbot;What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxUCO5 ) 1262946;1441413706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha thanks. gonna try redoing this for the 7th or so time 1262947;1441413738;mircea_popescu;gonna cc you too. 1262948;1441413882;mircea_popescu;clearsigned, armored body ; attachment 1, text. attachment 1 detached signature, armored in ; nothing whatsoever out. god damned it... 1262949;1441413888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00072967 = 10.0694 BTC [-] 1262950;1441413955;mircea_popescu; >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ? 1262951;1441413993;pete_dushenski;"Deniss Calovskis, 30, pleaded guilty in federal court in Manhattan to conspiring to commit computer intrusion, admitting that he had been hired to write some of the computer code that made the so-called Gozi virus so effective." 1262952;1441414029;pete_dushenski;"Under a plea agreement, Calovskis, who has been in U.S. custody since his extradition, agreed not to appeal any sentence of two years in prison or less." << bizarro condition for a plea bargain 1262953;1441414045;mircea_popescu;notrly ? 1262954;1441414066;pete_dushenski;so why not sentence him to 2 years minus a day ? 1262955;1441414067;mircea_popescu;about as unenforceable in a sane justice system as "employee agrees not to sue employer for any reason" employment contracts in california, but hey. 1262956;1441414223;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262950 <<< Likely the same ppl that bitch about mpex having that 90's coded website when it works perfectly fine *for what it was designed to do* 1262957;1441414223;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 00:45:55; mircea_popescu: >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ? 1262958;1441414282;pete_dushenski;which, incidentally, ties into mp's observation about smartphones being 'tvs in everyone's arse' 1262959;1441414317;pete_dushenski;web 2.0 (non-3d) is broken for usability, but functional for fucking around 1262960;1441414378;pete_dushenski;as supported by today's discovery that it's damn-near impossible to find out what 'technologies' and 'features' a pampers diaper has : http://www.pampers.com/en-us 1262961;1441414380;assbot;Diapers, Baby Care, and Parenting Information at Pampers.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxWt5p ) 1262962;1441414424;pete_dushenski;their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s' 1262963;1441414436;pete_dushenski;moms* 1262964;1441414437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35211 @ 0.00072967 = 25.6924 BTC [-] 1262965;1441414476;pete_dushenski;why learn anything or do anything when you can just dick around until the cows come home ? 1262966;1441414512;shinohai;Truth. 1262967;1441414537;pete_dushenski;of course, behind the scenes, is proctor and gamble, which is to say, that senile old limp-dick from omaha 1262968;1441414563;pete_dushenski;'just giving the people what they want' 1262969;1441414582;shinohai;People don't know "what they want" 1262970;1441414588;pete_dushenski;the united states of television : a channel for every star on the flag 1262971;1441414606;shinohai;times eleventeen 1262972;1441414606;pete_dushenski;shinohai: they want to 'feel heard' 1262973;1441414621;pete_dushenski;so that's exactly what they get 1262974;1441414663;shinohai;Glad others find the meaning of life with such simplicity. 1262975;1441414672;pete_dushenski;they're not actually heard, of course, no functional system could handle that much noise, but they are lent a convincing simulacrum of importance 1262976;1441414700;pete_dushenski;shinohai: remember, these 'others' aren't people in the sense that we are 1262977;1441414718;shinohai;I find it rther liberating to know I don't matter and no one gives a shit what I say. 1262978;1441414760;pete_dushenski;do you desire to matter ? 1262979;1441414831;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262962 <<< i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online 1262980;1441414831;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 00:53:44; pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s' 1262981;1441414864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00073425 = 22.5415 BTC [+] 1262982;1441414881;pete_dushenski;cazalla: pretty offensive eh ? 1262983;1441414952;cazalla;well, not really, gave me the idea to do.. daddy blogging lol 1262984;1441415021;pete_dushenski;https://stronglang.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/new-voice-transcription-feature-in-google-docs-censors-some-swearwords/ << the future of voice recognition software. "oh, we don't need keyboards, we just need next-gen ai so we can mommy blog while we're changing diapers." 1262985;1441415023;assbot;New voice transcription feature in Google Docs censors (some!) swearwords – Strong Language ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxXudT ) 1262986;1441415039;pete_dushenski;glhf. 1262987;1441415056;shinohai;Nearly everyone *wants* to matter in some way, pete_dushenski. I'm not sure I want to matter in the preconceived notions that American culture *wants* you to matter in. 1262988;1441415085;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i'd read it 1262989;1441415123;shinohai;I was told I didn't need my physical keyboard either, only a touchscreen. yeah. 1262990;1441415124;pete_dushenski;shinohai: leaving aside 'normal american' notions, how do ~you~ want to matter ? if you don't mind the inquiry 1262991;1441415130;cazalla;pete_dushenski, they're a dime a dozen so i never pursued it further than regging a domain name 1262992;1441415149;cazalla;in other news, should be a bumper crop of broad beans in 6-8 weeks http://i.imgur.com/cWCLM61.jpg 1262993;1441415150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTe7Sg ) 1262994;1441415170;pete_dushenski;cazalla: terrible logic and you know it. there's dozens of 'tech/poli/bitcoin newz sites'. none are qntra. 1262995;1441415182;cazalla;pete_dushenski, ok, i'm lazy :) 1262996;1441415185;cazalla;or busy! 1262997;1441415188;pete_dushenski;better ! 1262998;1441415197;pete_dushenski;:) 1262999;1441415201;shinohai;I don't mind the inquiry, sometimes I think perhaps I am too uneducated to even know the answer to that lol/ 1263000;1441415228;pete_dushenski;cazalla: solid lookin' plants btw 1263001;1441415264;cazalla;pete_dushenski, can't say the same for the brussel sprouts, aphids made a meal of them all 1263002;1441415291;pete_dushenski;shinohai: well no one's born knowing these things, but there are worse places to learn about the world and yourself than b-a 1263003;1441415302;pete_dushenski;like, everywhere else :P 1263004;1441415345;shinohai;That's why I'm here, so at least I may glean some knowledge in my lifetime. 1263005;1441415476;trinque;asciilifeform | maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. << cool! 1263006;1441415509;trinque;asciilifeform: deeding detached sigs seems a decent feature in any case 1263007;1441415796;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262799 <-- Aha, thank you. Apparently I had no clue what "lexicon" actually means. 1263008;1441415796;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 21:58:42; mircea_popescu: the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case. 1263009;1441415810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i got it, but ml didn't... 1263010;1441415848;asciilifeform;sig verifies.. 1263011;1441415859;asciilifeform;or not! 1263012;1441415863;asciilifeform;neither sig verifies. 1263013;1441415889;asciilifeform;$ gpg --verify florianweimer.txt.asc 1263014;1441415889;asciilifeform;gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 18:26:16 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452 1263015;1441415889;asciilifeform;gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) " 1263016;1441415896;asciilifeform;$ gpg --verify florianweimer-general.asc 1263017;1441415897;asciilifeform;gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 19:06:50 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452 1263018;1441415897;asciilifeform;gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) " 1263019;1441415956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and i think he was talking about an ssl turd, rather than anything from phuctor ? 1263020;1441416005;asciilifeform;my observation was that he neglected to mention what was meant by 'accidental factors of a corrupted public key', and the most prominent prior art. 1263021;1441416150;pete_dushenski;the craftiest spam commenters i've yet seen are all pointing to this guy : http://handyortenmein.com/ 1263022;1441416151;assbot;Handy Orten - Genaue Handyortung von Leuten ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxZnan ) 1263023;1441416156;pete_dushenski;strange. 1263024;1441416230;pete_dushenski;all comments use different proper names (no xxxtina), different ip addresses, different url-shorteners (!), but all use same gmail addy 1263025;1441416267;pete_dushenski;and the comments themselves are exceedingly close to being relevant and don't contain a single outbound link 1263026;1441416285;pete_dushenski;i'm actually kinda impressed. 1263027;1441416572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00072769 = 3.0861 BTC [-] {2} 1263028;1441416633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83009 @ 0.00072221 = 59.9499 BTC [-] {4} 1263029;1441417395;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262718 <-- I just see more evidence Pythagoras was right 1263030;1441417396;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 20:19:44; BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet 1263031;1441418772;ben_vulpes;trinque: i'll bang on it with you 1263032;1441418778;ben_vulpes;craft a patch 1263033;1441418788;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nnsa-iranian-target.htm << lulzy 1263034;1441418790;assbot;NNSA an Iranian Target? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPZX0Q ) 1263035;1441418790;ben_vulpes;saturday? 1263036;1441418794;trinque;ben_vulpes: sounds great 1263037;1441418803;ben_vulpes;groovy. am? 1263038;1441418990;trinque;ben_vulpes: nah had a rough week; sleeping in 1263039;1441418997;trinque;see logs re: stolen property 1263040;1441419070;ben_vulpes;boo, okay. ring me when you're up. 1263041;1441419085;trinque;k 1263042;1441419558;mircea_popescu;ah what the fuck. 1263043;1441419838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FHAYQK so i suppose the ATTACHEMENTS get mangled now ? 1263044;1441419840;assbot;dpaste: 1FHAYQK ... ( http://bit.ly/1in1WQw ) 1263045;1441419933;punkman;mircea_popescu: what mail client did you use btw? 1263046;1441419971;mircea_popescu; i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online << this ironically is the first, and to date the most ample use of language. stupid women spreading their stupid whatever it is while pregnant and nursing. 1263047;1441420035;mircea_popescu;and, much like insane notions of agency as defined legally ("guy spreading his legs is DOING something ; gal eating herself into a bus size is not specifically doing anything"), the quantitative approach favours female dumb. 1263048;1441420040;mircea_popescu;"oh, my blog got 5989546 comments" 1263049;1441420046;mircea_popescu;"yeah, from 10k idiots just like you" 1263050;1441420104;mircea_popescu;squirrelmail 1263051;1441420113;mircea_popescu;punkman ^ 1263052;1441420181;punkman;squirrelmail ate the last newline in one of my files 1263053;1441420233;mircea_popescu;yup, the verify fails if i download the attachments 1263054;1441420239;mircea_popescu;but works on the files as they are. 1263055;1441420240;punkman;or maybe something wrapped a line wider than 80 chars 1263056;1441420257;mircea_popescu;at this point, i find myself persuaded that email is the wrong thing, knuth was right, it should have died long ago. 1263057;1441420273;mircea_popescu;punkman these are attachments. should go through untouched in ANY manner. 1263058;1441420384;punkman;html form would have worked so much better for turdatron 1263059;1441420392;asciilifeform;punkman: i am making this. 1263060;1441420398;asciilifeform;punkman: because i, too, grew tired. 1263061;1441420412;punkman;cool 1263062;1441420434;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and make it take armored encrypted msgs only ? 1263063;1441420450;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd mean having keys on the serv end 1263064;1441420475;mircea_popescu;so ? 1263065;1441420475;asciilifeform;something i like to avoid if it can be avoided. 1263066;1441420485;trinque;asciilifeform: jurov gave me a script to sync a gpg keychain with assbot's list 1263067;1441420485;punkman;why encrypt 1263068;1441420487;trinque;could snag it for you 1263069;1441420539;*;asciilifeform does not regard boxes he doesn't personally keep behind a locked door with cameras etc. as cryptoworthy 1263070;1441420583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more for message integrity than anything 1263071;1441420593;asciilifeform;can armour plaintext, y'know 1263072;1441420610;mircea_popescu;sure. 1263073;1441420618;asciilifeform;aka uuencode. 1263074;1441420633;asciilifeform;i was just gonna have the thing eat tars. 1263075;1441420658;asciilifeform;(no gz, it is an attack vector) 1263076;1441420675;asciilifeform;inside tar, payload & sigs as before. 1263077;1441420735;mircea_popescu;in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation, 1263078;1441420742;mircea_popescu;will choose to interpret it as... 1275. 1263079;1441420748;asciilifeform;glorious 1263080;1441420767;mircea_popescu;this is in my mind the new high point of "bitcoin core" power ranger retardation 1263081;1441420770;asciilifeform;but this is correct american notation. 1263082;1441420782;mircea_popescu;not the fact they kept the wallets around unencrypted for 4 years. 1263083;1441420783;asciilifeform;actual knob in qt! 1263084;1441420828;mircea_popescu;gee, i guess all this preoccupation with kids in africa must be pretty fucking novel. they didn't give a shit about africa throughout. 1263085;1441420830;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1263086;1441420836;asciilifeform;(american traditional floating point is the comma, e.g., a thousand and one nights, 1,001) 1263087;1441420843;mircea_popescu;so ? 1263088;1441420865;asciilifeform;so 1,275 is 1275 in the land of mordor. 1263089;1441420876;mircea_popescu;residents of northern tenochtitlan need to get over the idea that the "united states of america" matters 1263090;1441420877;asciilifeform;whereas pi is 3.14159... 1263091;1441420891;asciilifeform;(in the south, 3!!) 1263092;1441420953;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all sv gasbags use the same 'clip art' with starving africans holding iPnohes - i could've toldya that 1263093;1441420994;mircea_popescu;buncha ignorant racist twerps 1263094;1441420998;*;mircea_popescu is disgusted 1263095;1441421018;trinque;http://dpaste.com/2BSFFV8 << note will happily delete your whole keychain of pubkeys assbot dun like 1263096;1441421019;assbot;dpaste: 2BSFFV8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJ88lq ) 1263097;1441421041;trinque;script courtesy of jurov 1263098;1441421088;*;asciilifeform wonders how many folks verified that the key on file is actually the one they expect 1263099;1441421096;asciilifeform;rather than a cosmic-rayed superset 1263100;1441421208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00072154 = 23.883 BTC [-] {3} 1263101;1441421217;mircea_popescu;on what file ? 1263102;1441421234;trinque;in my case a deedbot- user would notice the rejected: 1 and complain to me 1263103;1441421235;asciilifeform;wot 1263104;1441421237;trinque;so not that worried 1263105;1441421265;asciilifeform;trinque: understand, if it includes your actual subkeys, it can go unnoticed 1263106;1441421277;asciilifeform;(for some purposes anyway) 1263107;1441421347;trinque;most damage it could do is fart out 0.0002 per hour til I wake up :P 1263108;1441421354;trinque;but yeah could happen I guess 1263109;1441421421;trinque;asciilifeform: however, much more relevant to bitcoind dev 1263110;1441421498;mircea_popescu;yep, just tested this. squirrelmail mangles sent attachments. for crying out loud. 1263111;1441421519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i vagualy recall an old thread where someone identified a misconfiguration which leads to this. 1263112;1441421537;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have squirrelmail on my end, and it does not mangle attachments. 1263113;1441421541;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea what this is, diff fails over ity 1263114;1441421548;mircea_popescu;(returns entire identical file as "changed") 1263115;1441421552;asciilifeform;(even 'gmail' ferfuxxsake doesn't!) 1263116;1441421576;punkman;I didn't find anything in squirrelmail configuration 1263117;1441421597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hexdump -C foo1 > foo1.hex; hexdump -C foo2 > foo2.hex; diff foo1.hex foo2.hex 1263118;1441421625;punkman;entire file as changed must be newlines 1263119;1441421678;trinque;kinda hilarious how everything in OSS starts breaking the moment you have hard requirements 1263120;1441421707;mircea_popescu;this is incredible. . becomes .. 1263121;1441421724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actual . ? 1263122;1441421748;mircea_popescu;0a becomes 0d 0a 1263123;1441421751;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. 1263124;1441421752;pete_dushenski;did xerox make squirrelmail ? 1263125;1441421760;trinque;haaa 1263126;1441421771;mircea_popescu;who the fuck told you .txt is ok to fuck up omfg 1263127;1441421778;mircea_popescu;JESUS CHRIST. 1263128;1441421788;asciilifeform;now mircea_popescu gets to froth like i did, lol 1263129;1441421791;mircea_popescu;the who the fuck line is caps and me holding shift at the same time. consider it double screaming. 1263130;1441421814;mircea_popescu;it's not even jurov's fault in any sense 1263131;1441421817;asciilifeform;control-alt-shift-meta-hyper-modelock aha 1263132;1441421817;mircea_popescu;COMPUTING SUCKS 1263133;1441421820;*;pete_dushenski can hear the sweet sounds of keyboards being smashed in a furious rage all the way from arg. 1263134;1441421824;mircea_popescu;and i hold florian w in no small part responsible. 1263135;1441421841;mircea_popescu;to answer your earlier obsevation : i want to be friends with thios schmuck like i want to be friends with dea agent. 1263136;1441421850;mircea_popescu;he wants to be tolerated, better brownnose like his life depends on it. 1263137;1441421866;mircea_popescu;fairness is for peers not for the canaille. 1263138;1441421882;asciilifeform;the one thing that i don't get is why mr schmuck is blowing a usgtron open 1263139;1441421895;asciilifeform;(presumably to distract from the ones still whole ?) 1263140;1441421938;mircea_popescu;you know what "burn" is righty ? 1263141;1441421942;asciilifeform;aha 1263142;1441421947;mircea_popescu;once "the terorrists" get them, they're to be publicised. 1263143;1441421957;asciilifeform;where i'm from we call it, approx., 'flushing' 1263144;1441421958;asciilifeform;but same idea. 1263145;1441422213;mircea_popescu;$ gpg --verify florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie.asc florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie 1263146;1441422213;mircea_popescu;gpg: Signature made Fri 04 Sep 2015 11:22:04 PM ART using RSA key ID 2FB7B452 1263147;1441422213;mircea_popescu;gpg: Good signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori 1263148;1441422218;mircea_popescu;and it STILL won't make it to ml. 1263149;1441422243;mircea_popescu;but at least now it doesn't change /n to /r/n anymore 1263150;1441422260;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what of the message body ? 1263151;1441422266;mircea_popescu;it's an asc 1263152;1441422266;asciilifeform;it, too, was mutilated earlier. 1263153;1441422274;mircea_popescu;oh was it !? .asc ?! 1263154;1441422277;asciilifeform;aha. 1263155;1441422288;*;mircea_popescu no loinger has the energy. 1263156;1441422296;mircea_popescu;i will not be using the mailing list system in the future. 1263157;1441422307;mircea_popescu;three hours was my total budged interacting with it for this entire year. 1263158;1441422313;punkman;(maybe wrong order, first attachment must be clearsigned) 1263159;1441422320;mircea_popescu;FIRST ?! 1263160;1441422325;mircea_popescu;ah, yes, it is. 1263161;1441422340;mircea_popescu;anyway, fuck it. 1263162;1441422539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was all the more frustrating to me because 1) i suggested it 2) couldn't think of any genuine improvement 1263163;1441422587;mircea_popescu;fucking detached sigs. 1263164;1441422599;mircea_popescu;that's where the night came in. when i allowed the use of detached sigs. 1263165;1441422601;mircea_popescu;never a fucking gain. 1263166;1441422615;mircea_popescu;clearsign documents - one file. encrypted documents - one file. that's it. 1263167;1441422615;asciilifeform;how the fuck is more than one person supposed to sign something without detached sigs ? 1263168;1441422624;mircea_popescu;under no circumstances may one item be two files and fuck everything. 1263169;1441422633;asciilifeform;and how the fuck is a sig to be attached to a binary ? 1263170;1441422636;mircea_popescu;god im pissed off 1263171;1441422643;asciilifeform;it isn't one item ! 1263172;1441422648;asciilifeform;it is two. 1263173;1441422651;asciilifeform;sig. and payload. 1263174;1441422669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and now HOW THE FUCK IS THE PAYLOAD A THING 1263175;1441422672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00073333 = 22.6966 BTC [+] {3} 1263176;1441422678;asciilifeform;it is the thing that was signed. 1263177;1441422679;mircea_popescu;that's why it's one thing. so they protect each other. 1263178;1441422688;mircea_popescu;"the thing that was signed" can not stand on iuts own. 1263179;1441422691;mircea_popescu;this idea is broken. 1263180;1441422696;asciilifeform;no, but the signature - can. 1263181;1441422713;mircea_popescu;at this point in life & time when i am stuck sending an item purporting to be "a payload" on its own, i've already lost. 1263182;1441422723;asciilifeform;trivially, it is impossible to have a thing like what i am making now, where the sig is not uploaded first 1263183;1441422738;asciilifeform;because otherwise, enemy can upload a petabyte of garbage, and the sig is not seen until later 1263184;1441422745;asciilifeform;(the later never comes, we have ran out of universe) 1263185;1441422756;mircea_popescu;and then any reandom schmuck comes around and herp derp, s/x/y/ because hey, i read it in a coimputing cookbook once 1263186;1441422798;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'v' elementarily cannot work with 1) gpg 2) non-detached sigs. 1263187;1441422802;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it. 1263188;1441422809;asciilifeform;can't have 1+2. 1263189;1441422841;mircea_popescu;so what do i do ? 1263190;1441422868;mircea_popescu;you tell me, what the fuck am i supposed to do. i got this thing here, i want it to be so and so. what now. 1263191;1441422874;asciilifeform;two variants 1) wait till i'm done writing the wwwtronic upload box thing (could be tomorrow night, i'm spending the morning pulling cable) 1263192;1441422895;mircea_popescu;since this was part of an email, my choices are fix it now or forget about it. 1263193;1441422903;mircea_popescu;not to disparage your thing, but it doesn't help me. 1263194;1441422915;mircea_popescu;i was detrimentally relying on our already having shit that works. 1263195;1441422916;asciilifeform;hmm 1263196;1441422924;asciilifeform;somebody ~had~ this problem 1263197;1441422926;*;asciilifeform digs in log 1263198;1441422927;mircea_popescu;you. 1263199;1441422945;mircea_popescu;you had this problem, almost ot the letter, and i confess i thought you were being unreasonable. 1263200;1441422984;mircea_popescu;but honestly, if my choice is between this and nuclear winter im picking nuclear winter right now and everyone can just get a free tan. 1263201;1441423014;asciilifeform;can't find it in log, but iirc this was solved by voodooistically adding a guaranteed trailing newline to all ascii. 1263202;1441423038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073055 = 7.1594 BTC [-] 1263203;1441423056;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920339 1263204;1441423056;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 22:30:54; jurov: EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE 1263205;1441423088;mircea_popescu;this is not the trailing. 1263206;1441423222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: btw note that your clearsigned ~and~ detach-signed texts are getting mutilated alike. 1263207;1441423246;punkman;maybe clearsinged got column wrapped? 1263208;1441423249;asciilifeform;prolly because your squirrelmail install treats the attachments as mime/txt or whatnot and decides 'eligible for genitalmutilation!!' 1263209;1441423272;pete_dushenski;damn jooz ruining email now too 1263210;1441423328;*;mircea_popescu tries roundcube 1263211;1441423350;*;mircea_popescu gags at the atrocious "dynamic" page 1263212;1441423360;*;mircea_popescu tries horde 1263213;1441423395;mircea_popescu;not any better. 1263214;1441423407;asciilifeform;ferfuxxsake 1263215;1441423463;asciilifeform;http://www.sherline.com/images/3CUBES11.jpg << roundcube 1263216;1441423465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTlB7M ) 1263217;1441423473;*;asciilifeform did not until now know that there was any other roundcube 1263218;1441423526;mircea_popescu;heh 1263219;1441423545;mircea_popescu;anyway. email does not belong in civilised society and that's what it is. 1263220;1441423556;mircea_popescu;i will proceed to phase it out altogether. 1263221;1441423566;mircea_popescu;dpaste and irc and fuck you. 1263222;1441423574;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901007 << thread where it was me. 1263223;1441423574;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:26:08; asciilifeform: and folks ask me wtf i mean when i say 'we don't have computers yet' 1263224;1441423582;asciilifeform;about this very same thing. 1263225;1441423603;asciilifeform;and we even http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901034 1263226;1441423603;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:33:12; mircea_popescu: jurov yeah srsly, maybe only accept base64'd emails ? 1263227;1441423630;mircea_popescu;what i had in mind with the "accept encrypted only" thing 1263228;1441423633;asciilifeform;and instead of mircea_popescu, it was me http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901168 -ing 1263229;1441423633;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 02:05:46; asciilifeform: what, i gotta debug 'squirrelmail' now ? 1263230;1441423655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you actually find a fix ? 1263231;1441423657;asciilifeform;and even http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901029 1263232;1441423657;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2014 01:32:22; asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey 1263233;1441423665;asciilifeform;somehow i fixed my squirrel! 1263234;1441423667;asciilifeform;but how/??? 1263235;1441423672;mircea_popescu;pfff 1263236;1441423677;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to use it anymore. 1263237;1441423693;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu have any idea how long i have wished not to use it ! 1263238;1441423707;mircea_popescu;the difference being that the limits to my activit yare my own discretion. 1263239;1441423727;asciilifeform;tbh i was a little surprised that suddenly mircea_popescu was bothering to use turdatron 1263240;1441423741;mircea_popescu;why ? 1263241;1441423763;asciilifeform;too much yoga (in the soviet cartoon 'single nail, start small' sense) in it, for folks not accustomed to this yoga 1263242;1441423789;mircea_popescu;believe it or not i never ran into it before. 1263243;1441423861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how did you do this one http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html ? 1263244;1441423861;assbot;[BTC-dev] bitcoin-src-21may2012.tar.gz ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTm5uD ) 1263245;1441423869;mircea_popescu;that one worked! 1263246;1441423872;mircea_popescu;same exact system 1263247;1441423872;asciilifeform;aha 1263248;1441423877;mircea_popescu;copiued everything exactly like i did there 1263249;1441423886;asciilifeform;so what gives. 1263250;1441423887;mircea_popescu;by now i sent 12+ emails trying combos like an idiot 1263251;1441423894;mircea_popescu;da fuck do i know. i'm the user! 1263252;1441423901;asciilifeform;almost wondering if it gets mangled en route. 1263253;1441423913;asciilifeform;email really has lived its proper life ten times. 1263254;1441423920;punkman;if you regularly email signed things, gotta wonder how many arrive mutilated and are never checked 1263255;1441423921;asciilifeform;mix the cement. 1263256;1441423933;mircea_popescu;well no cause i can see the sigs no longer verify/stuff was mangled if download the attachments. 1263257;1441423941;asciilifeform;hmm 1263258;1441424105;mircea_popescu;hory shit 1263259;1441424171;mircea_popescu;mkay. so the important rule being : never use any sane file extension. 1263260;1441424180;asciilifeform;so it ~was~ mime ? 1263261;1441424186;mircea_popescu;go for g58a2 or w/e, 5 character items. no .txt ; no .asc ; no anything 1263262;1441424190;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was the fucking extension. 1263263;1441424200;asciilifeform;triggers the mutilatron aha 1263264;1441424210;asciilifeform;otherwise my tar.gz-en would have been mangled 1263265;1441424243;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000164.html << congrats mircea_popescu 1263266;1441424243;assbot;[BTC-dev] No you didn't "we observed". Please quote your sources. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEkslU ) 1263267;1441424279;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150904/florianweimer_cfc8c951caf6f5369c6421759f0113527f5f5fa0.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie << worked also. 1263268;1441424280;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEkyKj ) 1263269;1441424292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so muchg fopr the ~actual~ intended usecase, where idiot can be emailed with the ml cc'd. 1263270;1441424295;asciilifeform;and best filename ever. 1263271;1441424416;mircea_popescu;stupid fucking shit. 1263272;1441424479;mircea_popescu;the only way to extract function out of the kicking-and-screaming pile of "human cultural & civilisational heritage" is to use things it doesn't know yet. unknown file extensions. unknown protocols. what have you. 1263273;1441424491;mircea_popescu;a sterner indictment of humanity as a species could scarcely be devised. 1263274;1441424499;mircea_popescu;"only good places are where people generally aren't" 1263275;1441424501;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is very reminiscent of the pesticide business 1263276;1441424505;asciilifeform;or antibiotic, in particular 1263277;1441424510;asciilifeform;gotta use unexpected weapon. 1263278;1441424520;asciilifeform;or the vermin just get fatter 1263279;1441424539;asciilifeform;the old bugspray, it just gets them roaches high. 1263280;1441424565;mircea_popescu;this is the reason early us was so great : it correctly identified the natives as the scum that they are, by virtue of being people, and massacred them wholesale. 1263281;1441424568;asciilifeform; "only good places are where people generally aren't" << ergo naggum's 'herd hither, me thither' 1263282;1441424572;mircea_popescu;was good for almost a whole century. 1263283;1441424595;asciilifeform;or uncle al's 'war was invented by folks living downstream of herds' 1263284;1441424632;mircea_popescu;fuck love ; genocide now! 1263285;1441424637;mircea_popescu;there, that's my haiku for the day. 1263286;1441424647;asciilifeform;or my 'give thermonukes a chance' 1263287;1441425087;punkman;"Is that a virus? Who cares. Run it. Let the Russian botmaster watch you dress through your webcam. Make sure your underwear matches. Lenovo." 1263288;1441426194;mircea_popescu;not even that far off. 1263289;1441427308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00072759 = 21.9005 BTC [-] 1263290;1441427613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11354 @ 0.00072759 = 8.2611 BTC [-] 1263291;1441428150;funkenstein_;this could only be some kind of test 1263292;1441428336;funkenstein_;I cannot fathom what is meant here with "great" and "scum" and "a century" 1263293;1441428475;funkenstein_;perhaps, a hint for the future of North Tenochtitlan 1263294;1441428708;*;funkenstein_ yields the asson-bot and goes to consult with the great spirit 1263295;1441431173;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/aPfv6U8.gifv << dude decided moving the god damned vespa would not have been easier. 1263296;1441431174;assbot;Feeling like a Hulk ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwmS4k ) 1263297;1441432737;deedbot-;[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-august-2015-statement/ 1263298;1441432798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6561 @ 0.00072957 = 4.7867 BTC [+] 1263299;1441433896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00072957 = 21.9236 BTC [+] 1263300;1441434506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24031 @ 0.00073045 = 17.5534 BTC [+] {3} 1263301;1441434933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00073235 = 22.1902 BTC [+] {3} 1263302;1441439386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00072835 = 16.6064 BTC [-] 1263303;1441439569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072835 = 8.2668 BTC [-] 1263304;1441440167;mircea_popescu;https://starbase.jpl.nasa.gov/ o.O 1263305;1441440171;assbot;download.recurser.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgV6ZQ ) 1263306;1441440545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073388 = 18.4938 BTC [+] 1263307;1441440972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7701 @ 0.0007279 = 5.6056 BTC [-] {3} 1263308;1441442436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00073024 = 11.0631 BTC [+] {3} 1263309;1441443290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00072192 = 28.1549 BTC [-] {3} 1263310;1441443308;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkensein_ see http://trilema.com/2014/the-lorax/ 1263311;1441443309;assbot;The Lorax on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QfKZ6a ) 1263312;1441443310;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263313;1441445242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22217 @ 0.00073403 = 16.3079 BTC [+] {3} 1263314;1441445566;mircea_popescu;http://markets.money.cnn.com/cgi-bin/upload.dll/file.png?z08ec0f0az5e8990136ea343baae189f0837004ef6 << so does teh pump got a 3rd round or is this it ? 1263315;1441445567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVUBSq ) 1263316;1441447804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00072253 = 15.9679 BTC [-] 1263317;1441447865;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 213 @ 0.00479473 = 1.0213 BTC [-] {3} 1263318;1441449756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27424 @ 0.00072025 = 19.7521 BTC [-] {5} 1263319;1441450000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00072002 = 5.4002 BTC [-] 1263320;1441457321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00072528 = 19.365 BTC [+] {3} 1263321;1441457502;shinohai;https://redd.it/3jnadz <<< kek 1263322;1441457504;assbot;0.93 Lost btc in transaction fee, BitFury? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhlLFZ ) 1263323;1441457809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00072637 = 12.3846 BTC [+] {3} 1263324;1441458256;punkman;http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-miners-digitalbtc-6-77m-in-the-red/ 1263325;1441458258;assbot;Bitcoin miner DigitalBTC $6.77m in the red | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhnfA5 ) 1263326;1441458589;shinohai;Welp I don't think they are gonna mine their way back in the black punkman xD 1263327;1441459245;punkman;shinohai: that's why they raised $3.5mil to make an app 1263328;1441460188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00072814 = 23.2459 BTC [+] 1263329;1441460754;shinohai;Because apps solve all our software problems. 1263330;1441460780;fluffypony;you're not a real company unless you have an app 1263331;1441461347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00072846 = 19.3042 BTC [+] {3} 1263332;1441461455;shinohai;Is there a #bitcoin-assets app? (kek) 1263333;1441461896;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 581 @ 0.0047626 = 2.7671 BTC [-] {2} 1263334;1441463055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2876 @ 0.00072875 = 2.0959 BTC [+] 1263335;1441464153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.00073264 = 51.4313 BTC [+] {4} 1263336;1441465861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30705 @ 0.00072924 = 22.3913 BTC [-] {5} 1263337;1441466475;mats;jurov: do you have a new eta for coinbr? 1263338;1441466991;funkenstein_;"American Holocaust" - David E. Stannard <-- start here. 1263339;1441467264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00073154 = 16.2036 BTC [+] {6} 1263340;1441467389;funkenstein_;I'm also not going to celebrate the destruction of the library of Alexandria because "people". 1263341;1441467508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29411 @ 0.00072315 = 21.2686 BTC [-] {3} 1263342;1441468347;funkenstein_;It's not Washington's orders to slit throats of women and children, nor Jackson's collection of noses and human skin leather that pisses me off so much. 1263343;1441468392;funkenstein_;It's the total lack of intellectual curiosity - the fear of learning - and yes - that they drove off the fucking lorax. 1263344;1441468972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113850 @ 0.00072049 = 82.0278 BTC [-] {6} 1263345;1441470738;funkenstein_;!up Luke-Jr 1263346;1441471026;mats;TIL most major .gov.gr servers still use SSLv3 1263347;1441471376;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262756 << in other words, the perfect pressed-shit-carbide with which to carve up httptrons 1263348;1441471376;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 21:44:38; mircea_popescu: great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike 1263349;1441471412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00071929 = 11.3648 BTC [-] 1263350;1441471444;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262786 << aww, not the 4u! 1263351;1441471444;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 21:55:02; trinque: my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc 1263352;1441471460;ben_vulpes;but srs, "don't leave valuables in the vehicle" around these parts. 1263353;1441471717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.0007226 = 19.6186 BTC [+] {3} 1263354;1441471764;shinohai;http://cointelegraph.com/news/115232/4-of-bitcoins-most-powerful-corporations-may-consider-joining-forces 1263355;1441471766;assbot;4 of Bitcoin's Most Powerful Corporations May Consider Joining Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHylIv ) 1263356;1441471776;shinohai;^ BitPay pic is creepy af 1263357;1441471825;funkenstein_;!up Luke-Jr 1263358;1441472096;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263157 << the luxury 1263359;1441472096;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 03:05:07; mircea_popescu: three hours was my total budged interacting with it for this entire year. 1263360;1441472426;ben_vulpes;shinohai: today i didn't want to go to brunch, so lady v made me brunch before going out for her own. 1263361;1441472571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00071929 = 17.1551 BTC [-] 1263362;1441472953;shinohai;Well *you* still have a trained one ben_vulpes. My gf is coming over to cookout later, though I rather enjoy the BBQ side of cooking. 1263363;1441473120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.0007318 = 6.8789 BTC [+] {3} 1263364;1441473498;ben_vulpes;it's been a mutual training 1263365;1441473513;ben_vulpes;i, for instance, no longer shit in the kitchen 1263366;1441474736;shinohai;LOL 1263367;1441475926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00072331 = 13.9599 BTC [-] 1263368;1441476405;ag3nt_zer0;mornin yall 1263369;1441476408;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHmzzu4FAnM 1263370;1441476410;assbot;Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau sings Im Fruhling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g1ZsW6 ) 1263371;1441476511;ben_vulpes;!up lksakeye 1263372;1441476523;lksakeye;Yo this is isaackl. For the record, I returned dear leader his 1 btc, one month before he accused me of theft. (https://blockchain.info/address/1Bum3oXxbCLUg54snyL6rmBz7vRBuPUr6G, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172722) 1263373;1441476523;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 20:41:46; mircea_popescu: in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he. 1263374;1441476551;ben_vulpes;oho 1263375;1441476568;punkman;so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked 1263376;1441476597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37028 @ 0.00071882 = 26.6165 BTC [-] {5} 1263377;1441476609;ben_vulpes;d'you have a vpatch for it yet, punkman? 1263378;1441476613;ben_vulpes;v. nifty. 1263379;1441476624;punkman;it's not a patch, it's now called vit 1263380;1441476654;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mircea_popescu you have popcorn 1263381;1441476656;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263382;1441476658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00071855 = 6.0717 BTC [-] 1263383;1441476708;punkman;mostly for personal amusement, but I'll post it to ml later 1263384;1441476874;punkman;example output http://codebeautify.org/jsonviewer/636e02 1263385;1441476875;assbot;vit ... ( http://bit.ly/1g204uV ) 1263386;1441477512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2365 @ 0.00072566 = 1.7162 BTC [+] {2} 1263387;1441477573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25738 @ 0.0007337 = 18.884 BTC [+] {3} 1263388;1441478309;trinque;ben_vulpes | but srs, "don't leave valuables in the vehicle" around these parts. << yup, was packing. 1263389;1441478415;ben_vulpes;brutal, missed that part. 1263390;1441479605;shinohai;Fail: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-chapo-drug-bosss-son-accidently-reveals-fugatives-location-on-twitter-10488067.html 1263391;1441479606;assbot;'El Chapo': Drug boss's son accidentally reveals fugitive's location on Twitter - Americas - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLdqg6 ) 1263392;1441479850;jurov;in the half of the logs... now the ml is busted too? 1263393;1441479863;jurov;great 1263394;1441479938;punkman;jurov: it's probably ok for now 1263395;1441480026;jurov;sigh. i defo need a buddy for these times when my brain just shuts down (this time due to allergy) 1263396;1441480074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00072443 = 9.3451 BTC [-] 1263397;1441480142;jurov;but noone else is so crazy as to be doing this 1263398;1441480318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15548 @ 0.00072443 = 11.2634 BTC [-] 1263399;1441480370;punkman;jurov: dunno if I can help, but if you need a second set of eyes on something, feel free to ask 1263400;1441480578;jurov;punkman: you already have access to mailman vps,no? or was it mod6? 1263401;1441480607;punkman;I don't have access to anything 1263402;1441480811;shinohai;!up ascii_modem 1263403;1441480928;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263375 << catastrophically bad idea !!! 1263404;1441480928;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 18:09:28; punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked 1263405;1441480943;ascii_modem;now it had state 1263406;1441480952;ascii_modem;which sucks 1263407;1441480965;ascii_modem;i won't ever use this. 1263408;1441481003;ben_vulpes;as a pedagogical exercise, why? 1263409;1441481104;ascii_modem;because state. 1263410;1441481127;ascii_modem;i will explain once i have a keyboard 1263411;1441481152;ascii_modem;unless mp gets here first 1263412;1441481464;punkman;ascii_modem, I understand this, but let's just say I have other project that won't be fun if it takes 6 weeks to recompute 1263413;1441482453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20752 @ 0.00072443 = 15.0334 BTC [-] 1263414;1441482592;btcdrak;What do you think about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jo24n/bitcoin_foundation_todays_shoutout_is_to/curh92i 1263415;1441482594;assbot;btcdrak comments on Bitcoin Foundation: "Today’s shoutout is to Blockstream, who has funded more core dev than anyone, including us. Their knowledge & depth is extraordinary." ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQRL0o ) 1263416;1441483024;shinohai;Congrats on your celebrity coindesk status too btcdrak 1263417;1441483069;btcdrak;<3 that was a pretty good score considering all the armchair lawyers who came out of the woodwork telling me I was wrong... 1263418;1441483138;shinohai;!up thestringpuller 1263419;1441483191;shinohai;It's reddit, did you expect any less than amateirs that know better than you? 1263420;1441483199;shinohai;*amateurs 1263421;1441484039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00072373 = 14.1851 BTC [-] 1263422;1441484633;ben_vulpes;args.f(args) argleblarg 1263423;1441485919;mod6;<+ascii_modem> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263375 << catastrophically bad idea !!! << I don't want it to cache the stuff to disk each time either. I want it to do everything from start, ensures that everything is fresh and !stale. 1263424;1441485919;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 18:09:28; punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked 1263425;1441485938;shinohai;Teach us, mod6 1263426;1441486170;mod6;Well, one thing I don't want is a persistant store of the parents and children of a given patch. I want it to read it fresh everytime so ensure things aren't diddled or cosmic-ray'd or just stale or something. Not sure if that's what was changed on punkmans side. But I want the one that I use to do all of this in one shot. 1263427;1441486662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11999 @ 0.00072361 = 8.6826 BTC [-] {3} 1263428;1441486784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00072443 = 11.3736 BTC [+] 1263429;1441488892;shinohai;Proof American military might is weakening: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/05/army-launches-investigation-after-violence-in-west-point-pillow-fight/ 1263430;1441488893;assbot;Army launches investigation after violence in West Point pillow fight - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLArj7 ) 1263431;1441491847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00071996 = 20.5549 BTC [-] {3} 1263432;1441493384;funkenstein_;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/world/americas/otto-perez-molina-guatemalan-president-resigns-amid-scandal.html 1263433;1441493387;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgR0zf ) 1263434;1441493497;funkenstein_;but no, nyt won't mention that he is a cia asset, soa graduate, or name the ixil. 1263435;1441493592;shinohai;Of course not, even though the US pressured his admin to end "corruption" lol 1263436;1441493631;shinohai;It serves their interests more to keep the region unstable, and it has been far too long since Guatemala's civil war. 1263437;1441493860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77150 @ 0.00072719 = 56.1027 BTC [+] {5} 1263438;1441494101;funkenstein_;I fail to see how mental illness and retardation run amok is in anyone's interest 1263439;1441494196;funkenstein_;For more on that Guatemala story grep for "1986": http://www.skeptic.ca/American_Holocaust.htm 1263440;1441494198;assbot;Morality ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgRLZb ) 1263441;1441494208;shinohai;I have no clue. usg feels that if a region is unstable and retarded then 'muricans can swoop in save the day and keep it all under their control? 1263442;1441494277;funkenstein_;shinohai, the only thing I can come up with is such total insecurity and absence of self worth that the feeling of killing things makes one feel like they "matter" (to borrow from earlier convo) 1263443;1441494384;shinohai;Perhaps so. I have not the insights into such things myself. Though I cannot be accused of having inflated self-worth I can't rationalize how killing things makes me matter more. 1263444;1441494410;shinohai;And pete_dushenski and I just discussed "mattering" last night! 1263445;1441494427;funkenstein_;that's the one ;) 1263446;1441494599;funkenstein_;perhaps we shouldn't try too hard to understand the actions of psychopaths, but rather - the inaction of those who could prevent this shit 1263447;1441495031;shinohai;I can see that. Death seems too simple a solution to deal with enemies, if your desire is to conquer them. 1263448;1441495080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32156 @ 0.00071913 = 23.1243 BTC [-] {3} 1263449;1441495628;shinohai;Where are mircea_popescu 's aphorisms in moments like this. 1263450;1441495743;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is it intentional that v will not list the wot without root patches? 1263451;1441495995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10940 @ 0.00071841 = 7.8594 BTC [-] {3} 1263452;1441497154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76950 @ 0.00072485 = 55.7772 BTC [+] {3} 1263453;1441498464;mircea_popescu;first! 1263454;1441498502;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263375 << this is a good idea. 1263455;1441498502;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 18:09:28; punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked 1263456;1441499167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30763 @ 0.00071824 = 22.0952 BTC [-] 1263457;1441499239;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263340 << the proposition that the library of alexandria has anything to do with a bunch of bronze-age derps is ridoinculous. that event was a clear cut case of the elites of one culture wiping the elites of another culture it had defeated. this happens to be right and proper. the solving of the indian problem is nothing of the kind, but simply the elites of a culture wip 1263458;1441499239;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 15:36:29; funkenstein_: I'm also not going to celebrate the destruction of the library of Alexandria because "people". 1263459;1441499239;mircea_popescu;ing out a subhuman population. not quite monkey enough to be cute in a zoo, not quite human enough to be part of the world. uncanny valley all the way. 1263460;1441499314;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263372 << o.O 1263461;1441499314;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 18:08:43; lksakeye: Yo this is isaackl. For the record, I returned dear leader his 1 btc, one month before he accused me of theft. (https://blockchain.info/address/1Bum3oXxbCLUg54snyL6rmBz7vRBuPUr6G, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172722) 1263462;1441499412;mircea_popescu;i can't believe this shit. dude srsly that's not how bitcoin works wtf. you can't just send btc back to originating addresses. 1263463;1441499435;kakobrekla;yeah you cant do what bitbet does! 1263464;1441499470;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla huh ? 1263465;1441499482;mircea_popescu;!up Bingo_VACAY 1263466;1441499498;mircea_popescu;how's the vaca y, Bingo_VACAY ? 1263467;1441499554;Bingo_VACAY;Not bad 1263468;1441499556;kakobrekla;theres this http://i.imgur.com/URxC0bN.png 1263469;1441499557;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NivCLD ) 1263470;1441499575;kakobrekla;"to originating address" :p 1263471;1441499579;mircea_popescu;it's an option omfg. 1263472;1441499595;kakobrekla;and its not even selected duh 1263473;1441499601;Bingo_VACAY;Juriv seriously consider raising coinbr fees 1263474;1441499635;mircea_popescu;"i don't want this email so i'll just send it back to its sender". 1263475;1441499639;mircea_popescu;what even works like this 1263476;1441499741;mircea_popescu;http://codebeautify.org/jsonviewer/636e02 << this incidentally is very nice because most of those signatures were verified f2f and are consequently signed. pretty strong cornerstone. 1263477;1441499742;assbot;vit ... ( http://bit.ly/1g204uV ) 1263478;1441499848;mircea_popescu;!up Bingo_VACAY 1263479;1441499870;mircea_popescu;did your gf cook you this system, Bingo_VACAY ? 1263480;1441499877;Bingo_VACAY;Jurov seriously fees too low for ling time 1263481;1441499899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263392 << no. amusingly enough, everything else is, specifically email. but the ml itself seems fine. 1263482;1441499899;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 19:04:10; jurov: in the half of the logs... now the ml is busted too? 1263483;1441499909;thestringpuller;!up Bingo_VACAY 1263484;1441499949;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263407 << he can use it. 1263485;1441499949;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 19:22:45; ascii_modem: i won't ever use this. 1263486;1441499954;Bingo_VACAY;Mircea_popescu nope fighting off planetary predators all weekend 1263487;1441499997;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263417 << the internet's premiere export product! 1263488;1441499997;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 19:57:49; btcdrak: <3 that was a pretty good score considering all the armchair lawyers who came out of the woodwork telling me I was wrong... 1263489;1441500056;mircea_popescu;"bruce_fenton 4 points 10 hours ago We've tried hard to invite others in, just like I just invited you." 1263490;1441500075;mircea_popescu;myeah. the problem being that most people have more sense than to lend their reputation to propping up the space's chief scam club. 1263491;1441500109;Bingo_VACAY;I would personally like to tie the rope for bruce 1263492;1441500113;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin foundation has no fucking future. i say this from the same fucking throne i said mtgox has no fucking future ; and bfl has no fucking future ; and so on and so forth. it does not. 1263493;1441500127;mircea_popescu;buncha twerps, always on the same script. 1263494;1441500130;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1263495;1441500204;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263484 << the beauty of 'v' is that folks can use cobol on win98 if they like... 1263496;1441500204;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 00:39:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263407 << he can use it. 1263497;1441500217;mircea_popescu;quite 1263498;1441500244;mircea_popescu;moreover, saving stuff to disk is not IN ITSELF a bad thing. 1263499;1441500260;mircea_popescu;you're making the jump and presuming nonsensical usage, which may be a fair assumption in general, but not necessary here. 1263500;1441500276;ascii_modem;no but imho 'sig correct' is bad to cache. 1263501;1441500277;mircea_popescu;if he hangs himself by the ears with a rope made out of state, that's his problem. but saving the thing is not that yet. 1263502;1441500296;mircea_popescu;why ? wouldn't you want to know if it was at some point and is not now ? 1263503;1441500301;ascii_modem;today correct, tomorrow - gammarayed. 1263504;1441500306;Bingo_VACAY;Last night fucking white planets tried to block my clock from hot black athletic spoon, #whiteprivilege 1263505;1441500321;mircea_popescu;sponn ?! 1263506;1441500325;thestringpuller;poon 1263507;1441500346;ascii_modem;i will know because my sigs get checked every fscking time. 1263508;1441500361;Bingo_VACAY;Poon Fuck this toy piece of shit 1263509;1441500381;ascii_modem;which? 1263510;1441500387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00072378 = 5.8988 BTC [+] 1263511;1441500402;mircea_popescu;Bingo_VACAY laid an iegg 1263512;1441500420;Bingo_VACAY;Advil. This touch queen turd 1263513;1441500434;Bingo_VACAY;Hate 1263514;1441500448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26526 @ 0.00072931 = 19.3457 BTC [+] {3} 1263515;1441500458;thestringpuller;Autocomplete in irc world. 1263516;1441500471;thestringpuller;Bingo_VACAY: you didn't bring a laptop with you? 1263517;1441500509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00073461 = 6.967 BTC [+] 1263518;1441500515;Bingo_VACAY;No Gunderson to confers to actual computer 1263519;1441500542;Bingo_VACAY;Omar hate 1263520;1441500601;Bingo_VACAY;Kismet lives 1263521;1441500622;Bingo_VACAY;In a pretend lunix 1263522;1441500677;Bingo_VACAY;How was lunix an autistic correctly wird 1263523;1441500742;Bingo_VACAY;I hate programming niggers 1263524;1441500814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00073461 = 22.0383 BTC [+] {3} 1263525;1441501172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-455.0-455.29 ftr. 1263526;1441501173;assbot;On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VFXivr ) 1263527;1441502025;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/357c14b90c5d73edafc9b4ea3e736345/tumblr_nohe1p4cbF1utuotio1_1280.jpg 1263528;1441502026;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxUhvp ) 1263529;1441502074;pete_dushenski;^how unrelated to florian ;/ 1263530;1441502104;trinque; /b ben_vulpes 1263531;1441502109;trinque;lol. whoops 1263532;1441502121;ben_vulpes;hey boss 1263533;1441502239;thestringpuller;and that's the last time I click on a link from mircea_popescu 1263534;1441502253;pete_dushenski;bluffer. 1263535;1441502264;mircea_popescu;it's not clicking if you do it slowly. 1263536;1441502348;pete_dushenski;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3222893/Indestructible-Water-bear-bug-survive-space-revolutionise-computing.html << mkay. these 'scientists' also need to starve. 1263537;1441502349;assbot;'Water bear' bug that can survive in space could revolutionise computing | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1VFXWcm ) 1263538;1441502393;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jnadz/093_lost_btc_in_transaction_fee_bitfury/ << probably the best lulz reddit has to offer. 1263539;1441502394;assbot;0.93 Lost btc in transaction fee, BitFury? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1VFXXgx ) 1263540;1441502403;mircea_popescu;!up VariaVarietatis 1263541;1441502439;pete_dushenski;"Thanks for not setting a reasonable restriction on transaction fees blockchain.info!" << "it's all your fault i'm a flaming maroon!" 1263542;1441502464;mircea_popescu;the whole thing it's such an elaborate cake of fail... 1263543;1441502489;mircea_popescu;"his bitcoins". how many ? less than one. 1263544;1441502546;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu Need some webhosting and a domain are you still selling hosting? 1263545;1441502571;mircea_popescu;not to teh public, no. 1263546;1441502625;VariaVarietatis;If not you, How can I get this from the people in the wot? 1263547;1441502639;VariaVarietatis;also need to buy some bitcoins to pay for it. 1263548;1441502652;thestringpuller;hard problems require hard forks! 1263549;1441503742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10766 @ 0.00072709 = 7.8279 BTC [-] 1263550;1441504103;VariaVarietatis;If not out of the wot could someone recommend a good webhost? 1263551;1441504883;ben_vulpes;state 1263552;1441504884;ben_vulpes;STATE 1263553;1441504902;ben_vulpes;GLOBAL STATE 1263554;1441504962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00072677 = 13.3726 BTC [-] 1263555;1441504976;mats;?? 1263556;1441505059;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: "What is Javascript?" 1263557;1441505511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00073108 = 20.0681 BTC [+] {3} 1263558;1441505938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25685 @ 0.00072446 = 18.6078 BTC [-] {3} 1263559;1441506365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0007346 = 26.4456 BTC [+] {5} 1263560;1441506731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00073513 = 17.202 BTC [+] 1263561;1441506914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00072223 = 19.8613 BTC [-] {4} 1263562;1441507144;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263525 << ahahahahaha. 1263563;1441507144;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 00:59:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-455.0-455.29 ftr. 1263564;1441507404;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jnadz/093_lost_btc_in_transaction_fee_bitfury/cuqtdev << tr0l0l0l 1263565;1441507406;assbot;tetrahydrocannabilol comments on 0.93 Lost btc in transaction fee, BitFury? ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG0BTm ) 1263566;1441507833;funkenstein_;Good evening lords and ladies. 1263567;1441507841;funkenstein_;do you like apple juice? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlcQ6bl9uBE 1263568;1441507842;assbot;Who's Not a Lady - DJO - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG0VkX ) 1263569;1441507880;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263457 <-- wai wut? since when did we start calling puritan rejects who couldn't get laid "the elite" 1263570;1441507880;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 00:27:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263340 << the proposition that the library of alexandria has anything to do with a bunch of bronze-age derps is ridoinculous. that event was a clear cut case of the elites of one culture wiping the elites of another culture it had defeated. this happens to be right and proper. the solving of the indian problem is nothing of the kind, but simply the elit 1263571;1441507927;funkenstein_;there was no indian problem. There was a somebody gave retards weapons and they appear to be killing everything in sight problem. 1263572;1441508017;funkenstein_;And for the record, your participation in an open dialog here, more in the tradition of the indian men of knowledge than the authoritarian oxbridge academics, does not make me think of you as monkeys 1263573;1441508141;thestringpuller;good evening funkenstein_ 1263574;1441508439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00071782 = 23.042 BTC [-] 1263575;1441508767;funkenstein_;thank you kind sir *tips hat* 1263576;1441508982;thestringpuller;you listening to any funk this evening? 1263577;1441508990;thestringpuller;i might jam out to some parliment 1263578;1441509405;thestringpuller;;;later tell funkenstein_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noqMfTRKNlo << this reminds me of you. Dr. Funkenstein 1263579;1441509405;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263580;1441509537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11211 @ 0.00071734 = 8.0421 BTC [-] {3} 1263581;1441510025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0007158 = 9.2338 BTC [-] 1263582;1441511184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6389 @ 0.0007158 = 4.5732 BTC [-] 1263583;1441511245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121761 @ 0.00073437 = 89.4176 BTC [+] {9} 1263584;1441512202;funkenstein_;thestringpuller, that's the real deal :) 1263585;1441512215;funkenstein_;like bitcoin, you can't fake the funk 1263586;1441512271;*;asciilifeform saw deal for purchase of certain lab instrument fall through for the third time in that many years. 1263587;1441512385;funkenstein_;thestringpuller, a show of new school crew George tours with these days : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tk9j00wyVQ 1263588;1441512386;assbot;George Clinton Parliment Funkadelic NAMM 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJ4Ysm ) 1263589;1441512389;*;asciilifeform is, contrary to pete_dushenski's lsd trip picture, very poor. 1263590;1441512436;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, still can't afford that chip fab? 1263591;1441512449;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: not chip fab, either 1263592;1441512511;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you want dr. moreau's island for electronics... 1263593;1441512629;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: my 'island' is an unheated, uncooled, wooden hut. 1263594;1441512715;thestringpuller;when you say "my 'island'" are you talking of hypothetical super scientist island with no budget? or current laboratory? 1263595;1441512724;asciilifeform;current. 1263596;1441512740;asciilifeform;godforsaken hole. 1263597;1441512881;funkenstein_;how's the air quality down there? 1263598;1441512890;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: worst imaginable. 1263599;1441512905;funkenstein_;O.o 1263600;1441512933;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ since they did the killing. 1263601;1441512979;funkenstein_;aha 1263602;1441512990;*;mircea_popescu can imagine some pretty bad air quality. 1263603;1441513014;asciilifeform;picture 'worst possible without being near-term lethal' and you have it. 1263604;1441513022;mircea_popescu;in other news, went on a lark to this "power dc" ac/dc tribute band in some "rock bar" here. 1263605;1441513024;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: The mothership has arrived. 1263606;1441513073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, i distinctly recall seeing an ad for precisely this during one of our walks in the city 1263607;1441513081;mircea_popescu;you should have seen this thing. a space too small to keep a woman with her sister ; 5 dollar drinks ; buncha teenaged derps dressed like pizza delivery boys, backpacks i compris. which ius why nobody had a drink. 1263608;1441513098;mircea_popescu;the band was ohio high bad. 1263609;1441513108;mircea_popescu;and it had nothing to do with rock whatsoever. 1263610;1441513125;funkenstein_;lol, ouch 1263611;1441513149;mircea_popescu;basically, argentinian : tribute band that is not a band and no tribute, in a bar that sells no drinks to some kids that are there because they got out of the rain. 1263612;1441513161;*;funkenstein_ guesses it was also ear-damagingly loud 1263613;1441513178;mircea_popescu;and then funkenstein_ wants to tell me about the intrinsic worth of all bipedal mouthbreathers. 1263614;1441513180;mircea_popescu;i ain't buying it. 1263615;1441513188;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ no, probably on account of electricity being too expensive. 1263616;1441513294;funkenstein_;this is not my point any more than yours is to defend usgtronic idiocy 1263617;1441513300;mircea_popescu;go on 1263618;1441513457;funkenstein_;most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing. 1263619;1441513485;mircea_popescu;you talking north america or central america ? 1263620;1441513508;funkenstein_;well Corez wasn't very far North afaik 1263621;1441513530;mircea_popescu;so then why do you conflate the two. the people i was talking about when i said iron age were the various twerps the usians killed. 1263622;1441513542;mircea_popescu;the various people the spanyards killed are some other discussion. 1263623;1441513554;asciilifeform;what iron. 1263624;1441513558;funkenstein_;Iroquois nation sure seemed more advanced from my reading than say, washcorp 1263625;1441513567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im bewing generous. 1263626;1441513581;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ a lot of talk about that. point of fact is, subsistence hunters with bow and arrow. 1263627;1441513610;mircea_popescu;nobody is against the study of political, philosophycal, astronautical or any other knowledge defeated tribe had. 1263628;1441513618;mircea_popescu;we are however against hteir continued physical existence. 1263629;1441513641;funkenstein_;why? 1263630;1441513654;mircea_popescu;because their massacre makes the scant remaining life valuable, 1263631;1441513664;funkenstein_;are we against the physical existence of monkeys? 1263632;1441513664;mircea_popescu;allowing the common man some semblance of freedom and import for a short interval. 1263633;1441513676;mircea_popescu;why do you think the immigrants slaughtered the indians instead of persay teaching them to farm ? 1263634;1441513690;funkenstein_;you mean instead of learning from them how to farm 1263635;1441513695;mircea_popescu;no. 1263636;1441513708;asciilifeform;one reason was that agriculture is subjectively hell. 1263637;1441513717;asciilifeform;and folks faced with something like an actual choice, did not choose it. 1263638;1441513724;funkenstein_;well not to the folks who knew how to do it 1263639;1441513727;asciilifeform;any more than you and i choose to put hand in a bear trap 1263640;1441513741;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: to anyone. the resulting population density is hell. 1263641;1441513747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00071457 = 4.9305 BTC [-] 1263642;1441513752;*;mircea_popescu adds "teenaged californians that know how to clean toilets" to his shopping list. 1263643;1441513760;mircea_popescu;im sure they'll enjoy it on account of "knowing how to do it" 1263644;1441513792;funkenstein_;yes, knowing a useful skill and performing it is enjoyable, sometimes referred to as satori 24 1263645;1441513800;mircea_popescu;this is a pipe dream. 1263646;1441513805;mircea_popescu;some skills are enjoyable. others are not. 1263647;1441513830;mircea_popescu;i am a very good arithmetician, at that. 1263648;1441513846;funkenstein_;lol good point there 1263649;1441513857;funkenstein_;but never enjoy some nice arithmetic? 1263650;1441513866;mircea_popescu;yes, of the subset of skills that are enjoyable, one enjoys more the ones that are useful and he's any good at 1263651;1441513876;mircea_popescu;but that's besides the point. being a skilled politician is never enjoyable. 1263652;1441513923;funkenstein_;at any rate, agriculture is a great example of "whoops - shoulda asked the locals where the keys to safe are before we needlessly removed their tongues" 1263653;1441513963;mircea_popescu;i don't see it. 1263654;1441513969;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: the white man knew 'the keys' - 'have 99.99% of you die and you too can be subsistence hunters' 1263655;1441513973;funkenstein_;modern genetic engineering and rapid desertificatoin techniques have never reached indian levels 1263656;1441513983;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 1263657;1441513993;funkenstein_;go, make a new maize 1263658;1441513998;funkenstein_;explain how it was done 1263659;1441514002;mircea_popescu;the indians died of starvation, mostly. 1263660;1441514005;funkenstein_;ditto the potatoe 1263661;1441514007;funkenstein_;nonsense 1263662;1441514011;mircea_popescu;there weren't enough of them to populate california. 1263663;1441514019;funkenstein_;the invading barbarians died of starvation 1263664;1441514030;funkenstein_;california was quite populated 1263665;1441514049;funkenstein_;as was modern detroit, look now 1263666;1441514074;asciilifeform;for fucks sake, 1263667;1441514076;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999195 1263668;1441514076;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to 1263669;1441514100;mircea_popescu;i think that fits. 1263670;1441514107;ben_vulpes;disease also wiped out huge numbers! 1263671;1441514121;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes. the sort of disease that kills the hungry. 1263672;1441514150;ben_vulpes;what, the hungry existed until the diseases arrived to wipe them out? 1263673;1441514189;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: elementarily, there was nothing magic about the 'red man' which kept him from breeding, like everybody else, to just short of over the carrying capacity of his lands 1263674;1441514208;asciilifeform;it simply did not happen to be very high 1263675;1441514225;asciilifeform;so the lsd aficionados get illusion of 'in harmony with enviro' 1263676;1441514226;asciilifeform;or whatnot 1263677;1441514248;ben_vulpes;lol simply means nature comes by and wallops population numbers once in a while 1263678;1441514275;mircea_popescu;in point of fact as the white man put pressure on the indians, they started crossing boundries in desperate search of food. this was very successful at preventing organised resistance - idiots too busy fighting each other. 1263679;1441514278;asciilifeform;in reality, say the place today called california could have supported 50,000 healthy stone age folk, or 100,000 barely-alive ripe-for-smallpox. 1263680;1441514280;mircea_popescu;so much for political superiority. 1263681;1441514285;asciilifeform;it will house 110,000. 1263682;1441514326;funkenstein_;i'm not claiming magic red men, i am claiming mentally ill - and markedly stupid - invaders 1263683;1441514335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform call it californy like they did :D 1263684;1441514354;ben_vulpes;hm! 1263685;1441514366;funkenstein_;i'm also claiming great denial and lack of reading of relevant historical documents 1263686;1441514372;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ like ? 1263687;1441514416;funkenstein_;e.g. scalping laws of every US state rewarding people for presenting american corpses 1263688;1441514427;mircea_popescu;so ? 1263689;1441514428;funkenstein_;meeting notes from Denver 1263690;1441514443;mircea_popescu;"meeting notes from Denver" ?! 1263691;1441514454;mircea_popescu;you mean the protocols of the learned elves of denver ? 1263692;1441514474;funkenstein_;explicit doctrines of idiocy from there for hundreds of years - must kill kill because - dumb dumb we are 1263693;1441514519;mircea_popescu;mno. 1263694;1441514526;mircea_popescu;must kill because can. 1263695;1441514549;funkenstein_;then starve you will 1263696;1441514554;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: the 'magical wisdom of harmony with mother earth' thing won't fly. but my personal favourite crackpottery re: the indians, and one which has at least a pinch of actual historical support, is that they had to be bugsprayed to keep agricultural white man from defecting. 1263697;1441514556;funkenstein_;in a dead wasteland 1263698;1441514578;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 1263699;1441514619;funkenstein_;kill because can? start with own family, then all plants and animals, finally self. 1263700;1441514644;mircea_popescu;no dude. start with the monkeys. d'oh. 1263701;1441514670;funkenstein_;monkeys are fine with me, leave them there -- can eat them later if shit gets rough 1263702;1441514680;mircea_popescu;you're acting like elementary points don't somehow magically exist. that pretense doesn't do anything. 1263703;1441514694;mircea_popescu;obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked. 1263704;1441514736;funkenstein_;all of us will die, therefore we suck 1263705;1441514747;funkenstein_;how about lets try to learn from past mistakes 1263706;1441514750;mircea_popescu;quite. 1263707;1441514762;asciilifeform;incidentally, i notice that aficionados of crying for the indians for some odd reason cry preferentially for the ones clobbered earlier and more thoroughly, leaving not so much as a wet spot (e.g., arawak) vs the later ones who learned horse and rifle and gave white man a run for his money 1263708;1441514780;funkenstein_;thems what die will be the lucky ones 1263709;1441514784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously. those showed some sign of sense. 1263710;1441514795;funkenstein_;i cry for the descendents of the fucktards who still bear the scars of mental illness 1263711;1441514807;mircea_popescu;you don't get to go around putting labels on things you know. 1263712;1441514810;funkenstein_;i cry for mircea_popescu who lives in a society which grew up with no wise elders 1263713;1441514814;mircea_popescu;i did ?! 1263714;1441514820;funkenstein_;*now lives 1263715;1441514833;mircea_popescu;dude if your idea of wise elders is some twerps who worship the failures... 1263716;1441514842;funkenstein_;?? 1263717;1441514912;mircea_popescu;last fucking thing i want to see are some elders harping on about how great the iron age man was. srsly. 1263718;1441514913;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: can you describe one of the 'wise men' and his wisdom in terms that any of us might apprehend ? 1263719;1441514915;mircea_popescu;it's not even ridiculous. 1263720;1441514930;asciilifeform;'it was wisdomy and truthy damnit' doesn't cut it. 1263721;1441514940;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of the aztec word "tonal" 1263722;1441514943;gabriel_laddel;funkenstein_: life is ruff, here, have a blanket. 1263723;1441514957;funkenstein_;that ideal model existing in our mind of objects describing the world around us 1263724;1441514962;*;mircea_popescu wants to introduce http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/#selection-271.1-281.68 1263725;1441514965;assbot;Hai sa facem un exercitiu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVtlGi ) 1263726;1441514967;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, lol 1263727;1441514978;mircea_popescu;"they had cars at the time this fuckwit was living in the dirt. do you understand ? some african monkey thinking they unveiled the sikrits of the universe AT THE SAME TIME as people doing the cern cyclotron is necessarily and by that very fact an idiot. 1263728;1441514979;mircea_popescu;humanity is a thrown curve. what's ok in 700bc is not ok in 2000ad." 1263729;1441514986;mircea_popescu;if i want to worship some iron age primitives, i got the greeks 1263730;1441514996;mircea_popescu;i do not need nor care to mention some schmucks 5000 years late to the party. 1263731;1441515005;mircea_popescu;not anymore than i care for tornatore's shepherd. 1263732;1441515017;funkenstein_;the largest city in the world in 1500 was Tenochtitlan 1263733;1441515020;mircea_popescu;fuck him, retarded sicilian rediscovering the intellectual products of sheep herding in 1940 1263734;1441515028;mircea_popescu;again with mexico ? 1263735;1441515085;funkenstein_;"They had cars" - we worship retarded usans now? 1263736;1441515120;mircea_popescu;... 1263737;1441515154;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: what did your neolithic folks ~demonstrably~ have, that, e.g., i, want but do not have? 1263738;1441515164;mircea_popescu;what's this mezclado of everything. we talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss tech you derp about consumers... different things yo. 1263739;1441515170;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, remember the bar here is set for - is it worth your while to go slit a throat of somebody not bother you 1263740;1441515173;asciilifeform;(note that this is not a null set, but i don't expect to hear any correct answer just now) 1263741;1441515210;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: the 'not bothered' part is also demonstrably false. 1263742;1441515220;asciilifeform;esp. in north a. 1263743;1441515234;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have that I want now? 1263744;1441515248;mircea_popescu;eh russia wasn't even inhabited then. 1263745;1441515253;mircea_popescu;tech didn't really allow for it. 1263746;1441515303;funkenstein_;mexico city is in north america afaik 1263747;1441515340;asciilifeform;what's next, moscow is in europe ! 1263748;1441515348;asciilifeform;technicalities. 1263749;1441515350;mircea_popescu;anyway, to take that myth away : tenochtitlan had a populatiuon of 2 or 300k. in any case under 500k. 1263750;1441515358;mircea_popescu;fucking ur, at the time of its beheading, was ten times that. 1263751;1441515366;mircea_popescu;china had dozens of settlements larger 1263752;1441515379;mircea_popescu;rome had been a million for nine or ten centuries by that point 1263753;1441515436;mircea_popescu;but yes, it was by far the largest affair in the new world. because the new world sucked. 1263754;1441515580;mircea_popescu;moscow is in europe ? 1263755;1441515590;asciilifeform;and chicken, is a bird ! 1263756;1441515595;ben_vulpes;(asciilifeform, what did your neolithic folks demonstrably have that you want but do not have?) 1263757;1441515621;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see earlier discussion re: agriculture being a hell 1263758;1441515631;mircea_popescu;they didn't have sleep ad lib you know. 1263759;1441515638;asciilifeform;sure they did. 1263760;1441515650;mircea_popescu;they just had a retarded female-centric social system which fell over at the slightest provocation. like every other case in history. 1263761;1441515658;asciilifeform;eh we got that now. 1263762;1441515664;mircea_popescu;not quite yet. 1263763;1441515666;mircea_popescu;going that way tho 1263764;1441515720;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: is there anything in particular DERIVE has that maxima does not? I read a presentation on the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember the former rather than the latter. 1263765;1441515735;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it has being 200KB. 1263766;1441515736;mircea_popescu;maxima existed then ? 1263767;1441515743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: maxima existed in 1970s 1263768;1441515750;asciilifeform;called then 'macsyma' 1263769;1441515760;mircea_popescu;and i could run this on what ? 1263770;1441515765;mircea_popescu;in 1993 1263771;1441515787;asciilifeform;which 'this' 1263772;1441515789;asciilifeform;macsyma? 1263773;1441515790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the current distributive runs on standard common lisp. 1263774;1441515792;mircea_popescu;ya 1263775;1441515804;mircea_popescu;and i could have had standard common lisp on what ? 1263776;1441515818;gabriel_laddel;symbolics box... 1263777;1441515827;mircea_popescu;i could have had a symbolics box ? 1263778;1441515828;mircea_popescu;shit. 1263779;1441515848;asciilifeform;in '93? 1) symbolics 2) sun 3) vax 4) a few others 1263780;1441515852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why didnt you get a symbolics box yo! then you could have fondly remembered maxima instead of derive! 1263781;1441515874;mircea_popescu;my copy came on disk 2 of "crime wave" 1263782;1441515881;asciilifeform;there also was 'xlisp' for msdos, which was ~nearly~ commonlisp. 1263783;1441515884;asciilifeform;i used it. 1263784;1441515891;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDJ6EH-CBI this 1263785;1441515892;assbot;Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVugXr ) 1263786;1441515912;mircea_popescu;god i loved that stupid scroller 1263787;1441515997;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, what was it doing there 1263788;1441516004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120865 @ 0.00073053 = 88.2955 BTC [+] {8} 1263789;1441516011;mircea_popescu;the idea was you had to fill all disks. 1263790;1441516021;asciilifeform;ah, human warez 1263791;1441516024;mircea_popescu;aha 1263792;1441516026;asciilifeform;then makes total sense! 1263793;1441516068;mircea_popescu;check it out btw, almost like topless daughter of president 1263794;1441516180;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: coming back to the earlier point, it is ~unfathomably valuable~ to ~know that you know all the knobs and what they do~ 1263795;1441516191;asciilifeform;this means fits-in-head. 1263796;1441516215;asciilifeform;it is even conceivable that the guts would have fit in your head, had they been exposed 1263797;1441516222;asciilifeform;but the interface of 'derive' certainly did. 1263798;1441516233;asciilifeform;try that with a modern symbolic maths package. 1263799;1441516265;gabriel_laddel;Yeah, I failed at that a while back. 1263800;1441516273;asciilifeform;this totality - there is no substitute for it. 1263801;1441516279;gabriel_laddel;Maxima is neato, but the ALGOL interface to all the goodies sucks. 1263802;1441516282;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel come to think about it, you probably want derive source for your masamune thing 1263803;1441516295;asciilifeform;it means that when something does not work as expected, you can immediately rule out 'unknown knob' 1263804;1441516336;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: already downloaded it ;-) but will probably stick with Macsyma. 1263805;1441516357;asciilifeform;no sourceball for 'derive' was ever publicly discovered. 1263806;1441516386;gabriel_laddel;erm let me unpack derive.zip and see wtf is in here then 1263807;1441516396;*;mircea_popescu wonders if funkenstain got butthurt 1263808;1441516433;gabriel_laddel;nvm - I've just got a bunch of DERIVE files, no sources. 1263809;1441516495;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the thing itself lives in one exe. 1263810;1441516511;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: came with a buncha generated crud, for illustrative purposes 1263811;1441516553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00071457 = 19.4985 BTC [-] 1263812;1441516554;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: said exe contains (in my copy) a bitwise-unchanged copy of 'mulisp-87' and a savelispanddie image of derive's engine appended after. 1263813;1441516562;funkenstein_;sorry about that, network problems 1263814;1441516619;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: http://maben.homeip.net/static/s100/software/microsoft/LISP/MuLisp.pdf << manual. (very grainy scan.) 1263815;1441516624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVuWMj ) 1263816;1441516634;asciilifeform;(and yes, mircosoft bought the thing, long ago, before there even was winblowz) 1263817;1441516835;funkenstein_;moar winblows because: can 1263818;1441517012;funkenstein_;well i must thank you for reminding me of the extent of damage due to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in the past 1263819;1441517047;funkenstein_;I will renew efforts with greater motivation 1263820;1441517048;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: consider link to the documents mentioned earlier ? 1263821;1441517084;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-09-2015#1263439 1263822;1441517084;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 23:03:16; funkenstein_: For more on that Guatemala story grep for "1986": http://www.skeptic.ca/American_Holocaust.htm 1263823;1441517539;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: no, these - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263618 1263824;1441517539;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 04:24:17; funkenstein_: most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing. 1263825;1441517603;asciilifeform;funkenstein_ will also likely enjoy the mega-classic http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html 1263826;1441517605;assbot;The Worst Mistake in the History ofthe Human Race ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVw0zM ) 1263827;1441517620;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1263828;1441517655;funkenstein_;aha, of guns germs and steel fame 1263829;1441517867;funkenstein_;Stannard's scholarship is remarkable. 60 pages of references, in documents he turned up in one of his volume. 1263830;1441517926;funkenstein_;It may be possible for a person to know something about history of the America's without reading him, but surely the responsibility is on the person to so demonstrate.the 1263831;1441518149;funkenstein_;Cortes: "Besides those things which I have already mentioned, they sell in the market everything else to be found in this land, but they are so many and so varied that because of their great number and because I cannot remember many of them nor do I know what they are called I shall not mention them" 1263832;1441518202;gabriel_laddel;!up refferedbyloper 1263833;1441518222;gabriel_laddel;spelling? 1263834;1441518233;funkenstein_;"never seen in all my days what so rejoiced my heart, as these things. For I saw among them amazing artistic objects, and I marveled over the subtle ingenuity of the men in these distant lands. Indeed, I cannot say enough about the things that were brought before me" 1263835;1441518233;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1263836;1441518627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00073157 = 7.2938 BTC [+] {3} 1263837;1441518942;funkenstein_;good night gents, my apologies for the not so lighthearted topics 1263838;1441519237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9928 @ 0.00073663 = 7.3133 BTC [+] 1263839;1441520091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00073687 = 16.2111 BTC [+] {3} 1263840;1441520823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00073705 = 3.3904 BTC [+] 1263841;1441521860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00073314 = 38.1966 BTC [-] {4} 1263842;1441522775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00072908 = 13.1234 BTC [-] 1263843;1441522850;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 1000 1263844;1441522852;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7757 years, 16 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds 1263845;1441522865;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 1000000000 1263846;1441522865;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 1000000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 2 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 14 seconds 1263847;1441522950;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 11325.648148148 1263848;1441522951;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 11325.6481481 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 684 years, 48 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 44 seconds 1263849;1441523207;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 56628240.74 1263850;1441523208;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 56628240.74 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 17 seconds 1263851;1441523246;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 113256481.48 1263852;1441523247;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 113256481.48 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 8 seconds 1263853;1441523334;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COF0DivVEAArStP.jpg:large 1263854;1441523334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGkwBA ) 1263855;1441523493;punkman;guess that was wordplay, because the app is for muslims https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipray-prayer-times-qibla-compass/id288054534 1263856;1441523494;assbot;iPray: Prayer Times & Qibla Compass on the App Store on iTunes ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGkI3G ) 1263857;1441523690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20554 @ 0.00072767 = 14.9565 BTC [-] {2} 1263858;1441523751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5265 @ 0.00071456 = 3.7622 BTC [-] 1263859;1441524483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00071456 = 11.9503 BTC [-] 1263860;1441524583;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/snA9iAP.png 1263861;1441524584;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGmbXQ ) 1263862;1441524788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.0007352 = 15.5127 BTC [+] {3} 1263863;1441524910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2526 @ 0.00071456 = 1.805 BTC [-] 1263864;1441525686;deedbot-;[Trilema] Sneak Peak Screenshots and The Future Golden Goose - http://trilema.com/2015/sneak-peak-screenshots-and-the-future-golden-goose/ 1263865;1441526082;mircea_popescu;the gentlemen investors as well as the armchair financiers may find the 2nd part of ^ interesting 1263866;1441526130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00071416 = 16.14 BTC [-] {2} 1263867;1441526143;punkman;do you have to milk the goose daily? 1263868;1441526154;mircea_popescu;yea 1263869;1441526354;gabriel_laddel;! 1263870;1441526357;gabriel_laddel;wow 1263871;1441526693;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLxE8k6QtUE 1263872;1441526694;assbot;Police officers go through transgender training - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i5gswA ) 1263873;1441526703;mircea_popescu;lmao 1263874;1441527655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00071807 = 2.621 BTC [+] 1263875;1441528355;gabriel_laddel;!up VariaVarietatis 1263876;1441528685;punkman;https://instagram.com/tokyofashion/ 1263877;1441528687;assbot;Harajuku Japan (@tokyofashion) • Instagram photos and videos ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGsZER ) 1263878;1441528851;punkman;every time I end up on instagram, I can't believe all the pictures are 640pixels and people use it 1263879;1441529180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00073704 = 5.1224 BTC [+] {2} 1263880;1441529485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00073705 = 5.9333 BTC [+] 1263881;1441529912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00073705 = 10.9083 BTC [+] 1263882;1441530477;punkman;http://eugeniekitchen.com/brick-toast/ sunday breakfast suggestion 1263883;1441530479;assbot;Brick Toast Recipe - Shibuya Honey Toast - Japanese Shokudo - Eugenie Kitchen ... ( http://bit.ly/1i5jQHY ) 1263884;1441530644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073638 = 4.271 BTC [-] 1263885;1441534121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00073139 = 10.1663 BTC [-] 1263886;1441534792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00073743 = 5.0514 BTC [+] {4} 1263887;1441535524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12193 @ 0.00073192 = 8.9243 BTC [-] 1263888;1441536378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00073618 = 2.2453 BTC [+] {3} 1263889;1441536805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8470 @ 0.00072533 = 6.1435 BTC [-] {2} 1263890;1441537293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00071969 = 6.5492 BTC [-] 1263891;1441537354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00071969 = 5.9374 BTC [-] 1263892;1441537415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00071343 = 6.3495 BTC [-] {4} 1263893;1441538330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00071307 = 12.2648 BTC [-] {3} 1263894;1441538934;shinohai;Thanks AVG, deleting bitcoin nau: https://i.imgur.com/snA9iAP.png 1263895;1441538935;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xx9ArP ) 1263896;1441539794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1930 @ 0.00071978 = 1.3892 BTC [+] 1263897;1441540285;shinohai;!up vextor 1263898;1441540327;vextor;hello, a week ago I reported that Phuctor is broken when new keys are submitted 1263899;1441540343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00072836 = 2.3628 BTC [+] 1263900;1441540344;vextor;mircea_popescu noted that the bignum arithmetic often hobbled the machine, and to wait a few hours 1263901;1441540363;vextor;I did so, and also noted the Phuctor statistics. the number of keys to process was gradually going down 1263902;1441540384;vextor;over the course of the week, the number of Moduli Waiting for Test has now decreased to 601 1263903;1441540391;vextor;but it has been stuck on this figure for several days 1263904;1441540399;shinohai;;;ticker 1263905;1441540400;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 240.69, Best ask: 240.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 240.72, 24 hour volume: 25432.59040205, 24 hour low: 231.0, 24 hour high: 248.48, 24 hour vwap: None 1263906;1441540410;vextor;I assume that when the number of moduli to test reaches 0, then key submission will work again? 1263907;1441540424;vextor;if there's anything I can do to help new submissions work again, please let me know 1263908;1441540430;vextor;submissions are, naturally, still broken 1263909;1441540440;vextor;I'll be watching the logs in case my services are needed 1263910;1441540440;shinohai;I think phuctor is down, but will have to ask asciilifeform when he gets here 1263911;1441540447;vextor;thanks to shinohai for the voice 1263912;1441540509;shinohai;m'kay 1263913;1441541929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13476 @ 0.00072836 = 9.8154 BTC [+] 1263914;1441542305;ben_vulpes;;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the shitgnome responsble for 1263915;1441542305;ben_vulpes; mains-currenting his box, and so i think phuctor is in limbo for the moment. 1263916;1441542305;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263917;1441542309;ben_vulpes;!s friable 1263918;1441542310;assbot;1 results for 'friable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=friable 1263919;1441544098;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COOJXnjUEAMqi9x.png 1263920;1441544099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjjvOC ) 1263921;1441546809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74900 @ 0.00071388 = 53.4696 BTC [+] {5} 1263922;1441548499;ben_vulpes;;;later tell bingoboingo you'd appreciate the local gravity distortion in the 24-hour cafe this morning 1263923;1441548499;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263924;1441548822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.0007321 = 12.7385 BTC [+] {4} 1263925;1441549554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00071378 = 9.2791 BTC [-] 1263926;1441550391;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: what's that mean? 1263927;1441550509;thestringpuller;;;ls 1263928;1441550509;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell? 1263929;1441550591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00073198 = 6.9538 BTC [+] {3} 1263930;1441550650;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform `for i in $(shasum -a 512 patches/* | awk '{print $1}'); do python v.py patches o $1; done` returns "No origin found." for all patches. i've not successfully run 'origin' yet. 1263931;1441550651;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263932;1441550691;ben_vulpes;^^ from a vanilla vdemo tar, unless i'm horribly mistaken. 1263933;1441550748;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: dat beetus 1263934;1441551445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4979 @ 0.00073383 = 3.6537 BTC [+] 1263935;1441553641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11217 @ 0.00073018 = 8.1904 BTC [-] {2} 1263936;1441554007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13751 @ 0.00073569 = 10.1165 BTC [+] {3} 1263937;1441554190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00073604 = 12.9543 BTC [+] {2} 1263938;1441554617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6388 @ 0.00073604 = 4.7018 BTC [+] {2} 1263939;1441554678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10389 @ 0.00073774 = 7.6644 BTC [+] 1263940;1441554733;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes what were you trying to do ?! 'o' takes a ~tree file's hash~ as argument, and tells you ~which patch~ produced it. looks like you were giving it a patch's hash ?? 1263941;1441554733;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263942;1441554791;ben_vulpes;aha, yes I was 1263943;1441554839;ben_vulpes;so that'd be the hash of a "pressing"? 1263944;1441554940;asciilifeform;of a particular file in a pressing (or found elsewhere, aha) 1263945;1441554961;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258188 1263946;1441554961;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 04:21:27; asciilifeform: it is mainly because my disk is littered with 1,001 copies of therealbitcoin tree 1263947;1441555040;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << i've been thinking about this ever since the last thread, and so far i have not come up with any way to make the thing RELIABLY survive the treatment it is getting 1263948;1441555040;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh 1263949;1441555066;asciilifeform;(undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now) 1263950;1441555110;asciilifeform;thing is, flipping ONE FUCKING BIT in an already-baked product of moduli renders the whole shebang - and however long it took to produce - UNDETECTABLY worthless. 1263951;1441555290;asciilifeform;the thing really needs to run on a colo box. 1263952;1441555296;asciilifeform;with internal battery. 1263953;1441555427;asciilifeform;i will also take this chance to point out that the node on dulap has been rendered useless by all of this - trails by 30-100 blocks AT ALL TIMES 1263954;1441555665;asciilifeform;this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag. 1263955;1441555683;asciilifeform;i am still waiting to hear from anybody having set up another. 1263956;1441555745;kakobrekla;id like to tho 1263957;1441555759;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: what's keeping ya ? 1263958;1441555787;kakobrekla;id like to throw* one on that mini arm computer cloud at some point 1263959;1441555805;kakobrekla;they just sliced prices down, assuming not popular 1263960;1441555815;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: use the cross-compilator instructions from my pogotron recipe 1263961;1441555823;kakobrekla;currently out of time. 1263962;1441555903;asciilifeform;everybody's out of time, aha 1263963;1441555952;asciilifeform;i will note, for anyone relying on zoolag to transmit time-sensitive things, that it is on a fucking home fiber 1263964;1441555958;asciilifeform;and could go down literally any time. 1263965;1441556040;kakobrekla;i got a second mircorserver that will be another home node (amd, ecc, raid) that is on my bench waiting to be assembled for a couple of weeks now. 1263966;1441556081;kakobrekla;but, no time. 1263967;1441556147;kakobrekla;will get better soon. 1263968;1441556163;thestringpuller;reading a paper on cryptosocialism... 1263969;1441556386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00073014 = 3.4105 BTC [-] 1263970;1441557058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2268 @ 0.00072538 = 1.6452 BTC [-] 1263971;1441557585;ben_vulpes;*sigh* 1263972;1441557594;ben_vulpes;what are best practices with the mailing list again? 1263973;1441557785;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262921 1263974;1441557785;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 23:54:25; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo 1263975;1441557850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4467 @ 0.00073045 = 3.2629 BTC [+] 1263976;1441558064;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000165.html << achtung, asciilifeform 1263977;1441558066;assbot;[BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHbxQN ) 1263978;1441558106;trinque;;;later tell funkenstein_ If only Cortes hadn't destroyed the Mesoamerican time machine, you could travel back and set everything right. 1263979;1441558107;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1263980;1441558237;asciilifeform;neato ben_vulpes 1263981;1441558240;asciilifeform;i will read this. 1263982;1441558248;trinque;This preoccupation with what should've happened misses the process by which things *actually happen* by a wide berth. 1263983;1441558312;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it is only of middling nifty-ness. 1263984;1441558319;ben_vulpes;HA 1263985;1441558376;ben_vulpes;i of course neglected the test incantations. 1263986;1441558440;ben_vulpes;`python -m unittest test_v' 1263987;1441558474;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why on earth did you put in that horror with the nested if-thens ? 1263988;1441558496;asciilifeform;'cause now if i wanna add a new command, there are THREE FUCKING PLACES to put it in instead of 2 1263989;1441558498;asciilifeform;what gives. 1263990;1441558547;asciilifeform;what was the point of this mutilation. 1263991;1441558582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16317 @ 0.00073045 = 11.9188 BTC [+] 1263992;1441558600;ben_vulpes;eradication of global state and testability. 1263993;1441558613;asciilifeform;dafuq is your problem with global state 1263994;1441558630;ben_vulpes;you mean untestable spaghetti? 1263995;1441558664;asciilifeform;it is only 'spaghetti' if there are localisms in the global state. as it was, all of it was relevant to the whole proggy. 1263996;1441558674;ben_vulpes;in all honesty, it is a relic of testing from before i had the args objects mocked out. 1263997;1441558702;ben_vulpes;and that is strictly untrue. 1263998;1441558711;ben_vulpes;c_wot, for instance, has no business knowing about all sorts of things in args. 1263999;1441558753;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is right about c_wot 1264000;1441558772;ben_vulpes;i /abhor/ functions that take the whole environment as their input arguments. 1264001;1441558773;asciilifeform;but the patch dir arg is necessary ! 1264002;1441558805;asciilifeform;let's say it weren't. then ' ./v.py w ' prints wot ? but this is broken. because what if 'w' is my patch dir, and i simply forgot to include the second arg. 1264003;1441558837;asciilifeform;ergo all invocations of my 'v' took the patchdir arg as first arg. 1264004;1441558858;ben_vulpes;i've not touched the arg parsing itself. 1264005;1441558921;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what were your objections to 'banners' and 'desc' ? 1264006;1441558948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00072663 = 13.0067 BTC [-] {3} 1264007;1441558970;ben_vulpes;i don't think i understand their use well enough to complain in detail. 1264008;1441558984;asciilifeform;banners is simply a table of what was signed by whom. 1264009;1441559013;ben_vulpes;i know what it is, silly. just not the places where it's used. yet. 1264010;1441559014;asciilifeform;desc is a table of where a file (represented by its sha512) was born. 1264011;1441559072;ben_vulpes;but looky here. you've written a thing that more-or-less must be tested as a whole, and i'm trying to push for testing the bits. 1264012;1441559149;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work 1264013;1441559159;ben_vulpes;and this is why the global state drives me up a wall. because i cannot import one of these functions from the script and then run it without setting up a global environment for it. it's difficult to reason about the code lacks locality. 1264014;1441559160;asciilifeform;and their presence prevents anything else from working. 1264015;1441559179;ben_vulpes;yes, i have only written 'happy path' tests. 1264016;1441559197;ben_vulpes;and no, i have not yet ginned up the tree-fuzzer. 1264017;1441559197;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: try producing a patch that forks off, e.g., rel1, and see what i mean. 1264018;1441559213;ben_vulpes;hm. 1264019;1441559234;asciilifeform;right now it has no notion of patches that cannot coexist with one another. 1264020;1441559236;ben_vulpes;(because the code lacks locality) 1264021;1441559298;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: add it back into the todos :P 1264022;1441559318;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i was hoping it would be obvious to anyone who actually tried to use the thing. 1264023;1441559339;punkman;asciilifeform: I just noticed this earlier when I looked at press, will apply every single patch up to HEAD 1264024;1441559346;ben_vulpes;that'd be trying to break the thing. 1264025;1441559363;asciilifeform;punkman: correct. the thing has no concept of orphaned chains as of yet. 1264026;1441559404;asciilifeform;punkman: i decided, rather than let the thing sit sadly for another month while i get this necessary thing to work, to release instead 1264027;1441559448;asciilifeform;perhaps ben_vulpes et al will finish the job. 1264028;1441559461;punkman;asciilifeform: I only thought about it for 5 min but it seems like the solution to this would be a bit complex 1264029;1441559469;asciilifeform;punkman: it would, yes 1264030;1441559478;asciilifeform;punkman: need a smarter toposort 1264031;1441559498;asciilifeform;(iirc the correct term for the thing remaining to be done is 'topological traversal') 1264032;1441559541;punkman;I think I might hook it up to graphviz for visualization 1264033;1441559558;asciilifeform;punkman: i did a rough version of just that, a few days ago 1264034;1441559575;asciilifeform;punkman: i decided not to post it, because the result sucks 1264035;1441559580;asciilifeform;it needs to be *clickable* 1264036;1441559588;asciilifeform;and graphviz doesn't give this. 1264037;1441559802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12378 @ 0.00072529 = 8.9776 BTC [-] {3} 1264038;1441559821;ben_vulpes;time to manually generate some svgs, eh? 1264039;1441559841;asciilifeform;svg sucks. 1264040;1441559860;asciilifeform;and graphviz sucks. 1264041;1441559874;asciilifeform;i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it. 1264042;1441559899;asciilifeform;(that is, all 'generations' of patch family tree should occupy a level, strictly) 1264043;1441560595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00073773 = 10.6602 BTC [+] {2} 1264044;1441560916;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, 1264045;1441560924;asciilifeform;is the otc order book thing entirely stone dead ? 1264046;1441560940;asciilifeform;has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there / 1264047;1441560941;asciilifeform;? 1264048;1441560971;ben_vulpes;mnope. 1264049;1441560982;asciilifeform;this is kinda a continuation of the ancient 'ebay' thread. 1264050;1441560982;ben_vulpes;but the dream of distributed marketplaces is alive in #otc. 1264051;1441560990;asciilifeform;dream ahahaha lol 1264052;1441561000;ben_vulpes;ahaha look at all of these python tabs i can close now 1264053;1441561075;asciilifeform;this is also a continuation of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260662 1264054;1441561075;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident. 1264055;1441561086;asciilifeform;say i wanna buy an xxxxxtron but don't have $10k. 1264056;1441561098;asciilifeform;it is often possible if i can avoid paying the 'newness tax' 1264057;1441561110;asciilifeform;because i sure as fuck don't ~need~ 'support' 1264058;1441561117;asciilifeform;and i can do without 'warranty' and 'returns' 1264059;1441561142;asciilifeform;and i don't give a flying fuck if the thing has parts made of baby bones and panda fur 1264060;1441561148;asciilifeform;by slave labour in namibia 1264061;1441561178;ben_vulpes;hear hear 1264062;1441561185;ben_vulpes;in other news, i'm off to a baby shower 1264063;1441561201;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: don't throw it out with the bathwater 1264064;1441561388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00073774 = 3.0985 BTC [+] 1264065;1441562400;asciilifeform;;;buy 1 "TAIG 2027ER with original vise, and with controller of any make." at 6 BTC 1264066;1441562401;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. 1264067;1441562501;asciilifeform;;;gpg eauth asciilifeform 1264068;1441562501;gribble;Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7 1264069;1441562539;asciilifeform;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58850f1a13a4e710af8dc3a896a0d761067daf11abe9fddc336a23aa 1264070;1441562540;gribble;You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7 1264071;1441562544;asciilifeform;;;buy 1 "TAIG 2027ER with original vise, and with controller of any make." at 6 BTC 1264072;1441562544;gribble;Order id 22472 created. 1264073;1441562852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00073326 = 5.1328 BTC [-] 1264074;1441562866;ag3nt_zer0;good morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIiYlHS0F0Y 1264075;1441562867;assbot;George Harrison - I Dig Love - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3XdBA ) 1264076;1441562956;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski take me to the parallel lsd universe where i'm rich ! 1264077;1441562957;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1264078;1441563000;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes you would probably gain from rewriting 'v' from scratch, rather than using mine 1264079;1441563000;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1264080;1441563012;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Contradiction_of_Relativism-by_Frithjof_Schuon.aspx 1264081;1441563014;assbot;"The Contradiction of Relativism" - an essay by Frithjof Schuon ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FDuy ) 1264082;1441563049;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: can you give me a good reason to read this ? 1264083;1441563067;ag3nt_zer0;good morning asciilifeform 1264084;1441563072;ag3nt_zer0;and how are you this sunday? 1264085;1441563072;asciilifeform;'morning ag3nt_zer0 1264086;1441563091;asciilifeform;short on time. 1264087;1441563100;ag3nt_zer0;have you ever read anything on schuon? 1264088;1441563106;ag3nt_zer0;by schuon 1264089;1441563106;asciilifeform;nope. 1264090;1441563123;ag3nt_zer0;well, imo he is entirely worth reading 1264091;1441563128;ag3nt_zer0;a good reason? 1264092;1441563147;ag3nt_zer0;other than that, no 1264093;1441563267;ag3nt_zer0;also the truth is refreshing, no? 1264094;1441563279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00072861 = 1.9672 BTC [-] 1264095;1441563301;asciilifeform;snr too low for me. 1264096;1441563354;ag3nt_zer0;and I suppose, for me, that there are minds I quite respect in this room, yours among them, and would hope to hear any thoughts... 1264097;1441563447;ag3nt_zer0;snr = so no reason? :) 1264098;1441563452;asciilifeform;signal/noise ratio 1264099;1441563476;ag3nt_zer0;yeah 1264100;1441563485;ag3nt_zer0;lots of folks seem to have that issue 1264101;1441563665;*;asciilifeform is experimenting with avoiding activities with low snr. 1264102;1441563706;jurov;truth has low snr 1264103;1441563721;asciilifeform;mno. 1264104;1441563727;ag3nt_zer0;if its in a bob marley song maybe 1264105;1441563841;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: politely telling me to take my patches and go home? 1264106;1441563865;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not really. just that you are wasting brain cycles on puzzling out the peculiarities of my proggy 1264107;1441563883;asciilifeform;could almost certainly come up with a cleaner one if you just took the algo and wrote own 1264108;1441563944;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: I am pretty sure I ended up at http://cluborlov.blogspot.com due to you referencing the unspell project... do you have any more leads on smart blogs for geopolitics/economics etc? 1264109;1441563946;assbot;ClubOrlov ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3YR6b ) 1264110;1441563954;ben_vulpes;and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself. 1264111;1441564159;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJzJmUGx5oM 1264112;1441564160;assbot;Beck - Cycle + Morning - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Gv2s ) 1264113;1441564215;*;trinque spends weeks on a song in Renoise to find it wont export WAVs 1264114;1441564219;trinque;ACK, MOTHERLAAAAND 1264115;1441564343;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: you write music? cool! 1264116;1441564354;ag3nt_zer0;published any tracks 1264117;1441564355;ag3nt_zer0;? 1264118;1441564395;trinque;nah, if I ever get this one to export maybe I'll throw on the www 1264119;1441564411;trinque;but I'm solidly in the hobbyist category 1264120;1441564426;trinque;this might be the first one I'm at all pleased with 1264121;1441564791;ag3nt_zer0;on another topic, I wonder is there anything a programming illiterate, or super noob relative to the experience level in here, can do to make himself useful to the ongoing labors of this group? 1264122;1441564895;kakobrekla;lets turn this around, what _can_ you do? 1264123;1441564898;jurov;ag3nt_zer0: there's qntra, for example 1264124;1441564908;BingoBoingo;^ 1264125;1441564930;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Mommy bloggers unite! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/06/mommy-bloggers-unite/ 1264126;1441565185;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: should you wanna take care of that literacy, I've got a chick going through that interactive SICP, seems to be working out for her 1264127;1441565194;trinque;she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide 1264128;1441565202;ag3nt_zer0;kakobrekla: well I used to think I was a decent wordsmith until I stumbled onto trilema contravex and loperos haha... but yeah perhaps qntra is something to aspire to contribute to... 1264129;1441565231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00073773 = 11.361 BTC [+] {3} 1264130;1441565260;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: heh, ego solvent, this place is, eh? 1264131;1441565279;ag3nt_zer0;sure at times 1264132;1441565284;trinque;but better to know yourself and improve 1264133;1441565286;ag3nt_zer0;anything worth its salt is usually 1264134;1441565534;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: thanks looking at SICP 1264135;1441566512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16405 @ 0.00073099 = 11.9919 BTC [-] {3} 1264136;1441567549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.0007378 = 14.3502 BTC [+] {3} 1264137;1441567927;BingoBoingo;!up andychase 1264138;1441567955;andychase;Hey BingoBoingo! Copying&Pasting my email now: 1264139;1441567964;andychase;I read your article called "Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken" and I was wondering what your thoughts might be on my recent [BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process proposal. 1264140;1441567968;andychase;Although to be honest I had a hard time understanding fully what you were talking about in regards to the flaws in the BIP process. Was it just that the Core Devs hadn't really talked to the miners or understood what was going on? 1264141;1441567972;andychase;-Andy 1264142;1441568016;BingoBoingo;https://gist.github.com/andychase/dddb83c294295879308b << This proposal? 1264143;1441568017;assbot;[BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process [Dev] · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZNMPO ) 1264144;1441568032;andychase;Yeah, that's the one 1264145;1441568058;BingoBoingo;Honestly it is really too late for further BIPs to really be considered at all 1264146;1441568119;andychase;Hm, what do you mean? There's quite a few being considered right now and all the time. 1264147;1441568222;BingoBoingo;Sure, but the least controversial one (BIP 66) still created a huge shitshow when it was triggered. 1264148;1441568336;mats;how do you define stake anyway 1264149;1441568341;andychase;Well BIP66 fixed a consensus fork for miners running 32-Bit and 64-Bit computers, the shitshow happened because miners weren't validating blocks 1264150;1441568355;andychase;@mats: For which segment? 1264151;1441568425;BingoBoingo;andychase: But the fix in BIP 66 was the least controversial thing in the world and it was a very difficult change because Bitcoin is an actual consensus system. 1264152;1441568473;mats;'stake in the Bitcoin ecosystem' seems written specifically not to mean anything useful 1264153;1441568474;BingoBoingo;If the BIP to enforce stricter signature encoding standards nearly failed, how is any other BIP to succeed now? 1264154;1441568484;andychase;@mats: For miners it means hashpower 1264155;1441568494;andychase;@mats: Users it means userbase 1264156;1441568503;andychase;@mats: Merchants it means economic activity 1264157;1441568525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00072986 = 10.8019 BTC [-] {2} 1264158;1441568529;mats;how about: sign an address with 145,830 coins and maybe you actually have a stake 1264159;1441568544;andychase;That's "vote by how much money you have" 1264160;1441568557;andychase;but for merchants that might work, if they'd be up to reaching into their cold wallets 1264161;1441568586;andychase;@bingoboingo: The BIP66 change was easy to "fix", just upgrade your clients and make sure a majority is upgrading before activating 1264162;1441568595;asciilifeform;upgrade ahahahahahaha lol 1264163;1441568602;asciilifeform;andychase: we piss on the 'core devs' here. 1264164;1441568610;asciilifeform;and their idiot client. 1264165;1441568640;shinohai;That statement caused me to eject beer from my nose .... 1264166;1441568655;shinohai;"upgrade" 1264167;1441568660;mats;how many 'oops' hard forks are we up to now? three? 1264168;1441568682;andychase;I think you guys know what I meant :) You can upgrade your btcd client the same way to recieve the BIP66 changes 1264169;1441568697;BingoBoingo;mats: Do the several BIP 66 forks all count as one, or do we have to go back and count them all 1264170;1441568716;mats;eye of the beholder and all that 1264171;1441568721;BingoBoingo;ANd seriously what the fuck is an "upgrade" 1264172;1441568750;andychase;raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components. 1264173;1441568758;asciilifeform;andychase: therealbitcoin.org -- ~20kloc and shrinking. 1264174;1441568797;andychase;yeah so in your case an upgrade would be replacing components, raising the satoshi client to a higher standard 1264175;1441568821;asciilifeform;andychase: this pointedly does not include adding any subcomponent where gavin, hearn, & co had any say in making. 1264176;1441568864;BingoBoingo;andychase: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ 1264177;1441568866;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X ) 1264178;1441568879;asciilifeform;andychase: see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html 1264179;1441568880;assbot;[BTC-dev] bip66 resolution criteria (corrected) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPZdW ) 1264180;1441568897;asciilifeform;take them 'upgrades' and stow'em. 1264181;1441568911;asciilifeform;direct inquiries as to ~where~ to stow'em, to mircea_popescu et al. 1264182;1441568922;asciilifeform;iirc he has some good illustrated diagrams. 1264183;1441568984;shinohai;Speak of teh devil ... 1264184;1441568986;andychase;I feel like we've gone a bit off topic a bit. I'd love to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes to the Bitcoin protocol 1264185;1441568996;andychase;currently the system is the core devs decide 1264186;1441569007;mats;core devs don't decide anything. 1264187;1441569012;mircea_popescu;and how's myfavourite cult this fine morning ? 1264188;1441569028;andychase;well for bips, they decide, and other clients like btcd take their bips into consideration 1264189;1441569078;andychase;I'd like to take that kind of system and move it up so a community like this one can make their opinion validated as part of the process for improving bitcoin 1264190;1441569100;mircea_popescu;you'd what ? 1264191;1441569103;shinohai;"make their opinion validated" 1264192;1441569138;andychase;Basically make your opinion matter by proving that you aren't sock puppet accounts and are actually unique and valuable memebers of the Bitcoin ecosystem 1264193;1441569141;shinohai;I have been so worried all this time that our opinion would never be validated. 1264194;1441569153;andychase;opinion matter more* 1264195;1441569171;asciilifeform;komyoooonitiiiii111111! 1264196;1441569180;shinohai;I think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of the community 1264197;1441569189;*;asciilifeform maxed dosimeter, off to meatspace for rest of the day 1264198;1441569235;andychase;If that's true then great, I'd like to take that form of validation and put it into a formal process that can be used for approving or rejecting changes to Bitcoin 1264199;1441569235;mircea_popescu;who are you exactly andychase ? 1264200;1441569250;andychase;I'm a freelance software developer from Oregon 1264201;1441569262;andychase;also reddit.com/u/tytyty_ on reddit 1264202;1441569279;andychase;github.com/andychase 1264203;1441569286;shinohai;!gettrust andychase 1264204;1441569286;assbot;andychase is not registered in WoT. 1264205;1441569305;shinohai;https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html 1264206;1441569306;assbot;RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSAappear broken (and possibly backdoored) | ___ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZR59A ) 1264207;1441569320;mircea_popescu;andychase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4 1264208;1441569321;assbot;Griffin Dunne v Dennis Hopper (Search and Destroy, 1995) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ8J5p ) 1264209;1441569323;mircea_popescu;!down andychase 1264210;1441569359;mircea_popescu;and thank you mr scorsese. 1264211;1441569784;ag3nt_zer0;"A patent example of the classic contradiction in question here—a contradiction characterizing for the most part all modern thought—is provided by existentialism, which postulates a definition of the world that is impossible if existentialism itself is possible. There are only two alternatives: either objective knowledge—a knowledge that is therefore absolute in its own order—is possible, which proves that existen 1264212;1441569789;ag3nt_zer0;then its own promulgation is impossible since in the existentialist universe there is no room for an objective and unwavering intellection." 1264213;1441569826;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263876 << dude this guy, https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg 1264214;1441569826;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 08:38:05; punkman: https://instagram.com/tokyofashion/ 1264215;1441569827;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZi80p ) 1264216;1441569827;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZi80p ) 1264217;1441569830;mircea_popescu;i wanna meet him. 1264218;1441569847;mircea_popescu;hey most intelligent person in japan, that were on tokyofashion thingee, drop a line. 1264219;1441569888;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 which illiterate murican fail to understand stuff written in french through the age old process of not being able to read it ? 1264220;1441569989;ag3nt_zer0;which? sorry I don't follow... good day btw 1264221;1441570064;mircea_popescu;who said the thing you quoted ? 1264222;1441570097;ag3nt_zer0;Schuon: http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Contradiction_of_Relativism-by_Frithjof_Schuon.aspx 1264223;1441570099;assbot;"The Contradiction of Relativism" - an essay by Frithjof Schuon ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FDuy ) 1264224;1441570132;ag3nt_zer0;likely originally in French... 1264225;1441570139;mircea_popescu;well he totally missed it and doesn't even have the excuse of not speaking the language. 1264226;1441570187;ag3nt_zer0;have you ever read him? 1264227;1441570201;mircea_popescu;mno. 1264228;1441570218;mircea_popescu;but the quote you presented disqualifies him from discussing sartre. 1264229;1441570245;ag3nt_zer0;from my perspective, which may or may not matter, he doesn't seem to be one to be lightly dismissed 1264230;1441570261;ag3nt_zer0;he's right up there with evola and guenon 1264231;1441570283;mircea_popescu;for the following reason : existentialism is the first (and the most logically successful) of the "postmodernisms", taken eventually to their extreme lolzitude by lacan and his unselfaware progeny in the us ("radical feminists" and whatnot). 1264232;1441570300;mircea_popescu;what this means in easily digestible terms among software people is that existentialism is a class. 1264233;1441570324;mircea_popescu;this means you can not use symbols such as "contradiction" without havind properly defined an existentialism.contradiction constructor in the very group. 1264234;1441570337;mircea_popescu;lest you come out with garbage. 1264235;1441570344;mircea_popescu;he doesn't seem aware of this. 1264236;1441570378;ag3nt_zer0;hmmm maybe I would do better to not post a quote out of context 1264237;1441570389;mircea_popescu;up to you :) 1264238;1441570400;mircea_popescu;but the behaviour would seem to indicate ~you~ think he's easily dismissed. 1264239;1441570414;ag3nt_zer0;not at all 1264240;1441570426;mircea_popescu;quoting properly is more complicated than it seems. 1264241;1441570480;ag3nt_zer0;my entire reason for posting links to this material is that I find it hard to dismiss - hoping that some of the minds in here might check out the longforms and tell me what they think... 1264242;1441570483;mircea_popescu;anyway, fwiw, i don't readily see a way to construct this "existentialism is fail because its idea of reality precludes itself" into meaningful criticism. 1264243;1441570494;mircea_popescu;this is a uniquely poor strategy. 1264244;1441570517;mircea_popescu;all it can conceivably achieve is form minor dismissals in the minds here that hadn't prior bothered to consider 1264245;1441570673;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: if frithjof schuon is illiterate then I must be less than a dog 1264246;1441570735;*;mircea_popescu wasn't there, hasn't seen, everyone on internet ~= dog. 1264247;1441570762;mircea_popescu;i'm a perfectly illiterate chinese scholar, for that matter. 1264248;1441570786;mircea_popescu;kinda why like bombama, i abstain from "oh china is self contradictory" emissions. 1264249;1441570795;mircea_popescu;s/like/unlike/ 1264250;1441570988;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << well, less is probably a bridge to far. equally might also be. but i do maintain software can't be MUCH MORE friable than the hardware upon it runs. and i dun think alf disagrees with that much either. 1264251;1441570988;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh 1264252;1441570998;mircea_popescu;!up anton_osika 1264253;1441571270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20087 @ 0.00072517 = 14.5665 BTC [-] {2} 1264254;1441571296;mircea_popescu;!up anton_osika 1264255;1441571344;anton_osika;Hello guys, I am having issues with phunctor as you might have guessed. 1264256;1441571378;anton_osika;I got my hands cut off so I cannot make signatures; laptop stolen and broken backup. Got any tips for me? 1264257;1441571398;punkman;test backups next time ;) 1264258;1441571401;mircea_popescu;how are these two related ? 1264259;1441571406;shinohai;Use your feet to pull the trigger on the shotgun. 1264260;1441571436;anton_osika;The hands or the two files? 1264261;1441571453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29410 @ 0.00073442 = 21.5993 BTC [+] {5} 1264262;1441571456;mircea_popescu;win. https://igcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11353513_870135393073866_1385626694_n.jpg 1264263;1441571457;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZkpsA ) 1264264;1441571460;anton_osika;shinohai: Thank you for the tip. 1264265;1441571599;mircea_popescu;anton_osika your poor backup policies and phuctor. 1264266;1441571628;punkman;wants to test new key perhaps? 1264267;1441571666;anton_osika;I do have ultimate respect for the WoT. Hence I want to have a valid keypair for communicating with goodfellas here. 1264268;1441571712;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263949 << absolutely. 1264269;1441571712;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 15:57:46; asciilifeform: (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now) 1264270;1441571727;shinohai;You're welcome anton_osika my advice is free on Sundays :D 1264271;1441571762;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263952 << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking. 1264272;1441571762;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 16:01:36; asciilifeform: with internal battery. 1264273;1441571769;*;punkman punkman wants to hear more about defending against bitrot 1264274;1441571852;anton_osika;shinohai: Excellent. Could you also advice me on how to successfully invite mircea_popescu for dinner at my home in Stockholm? 1264275;1441571899;shinohai;I suppose the same way you would ask any gentleman to dinner. 1264276;1441571912;shinohai;Als, the fail is strong in this one: 1264277;1441571915;shinohai;https://github.com/jumacro/Resty/blob/ac145f7551bf1a118169fff37592a09f401e2a74/server/Components/Email.js 1264278;1441571917;assbot;Resty/Email.js at ac145f7551bf1a118169fff37592a09f401e2a74 · jumacro/Resty · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxcTu ) 1264279;1441572062;punkman;shinohai, whole commit is peppered with credentials to various systems 1264280;1441572124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073215 = 8.0537 BTC [-] 1264281;1441572152;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator. 1264282;1441572152;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 16:07:45; asciilifeform: this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag. 1264283;1441572201;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263966 << the only solutions is slavegirls. 1264284;1441572201;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 16:14:41; kakobrekla: but, no time. 1264285;1441572210;mircea_popescu;im not even talking one exceptionally well trained gf. that won't cut it. 1264286;1441572221;mircea_popescu;need a dozen, in various stages of coalescence. 1264287;1441572253;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptOJ33u1bQ 1264288;1441572254;assbot;Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass (1977) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxDgG ) 1264289;1441572342;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I liked your piece on formalised identity based trust system (WoT). Are there any attempts at extending it to our physical existances such as property? 1264290;1441572501;punkman;!rate backyard 9 it makes fruit? 1264291;1441572501;assbot;backyard is not registered in WoT. 1264292;1441572544;shinohai;xD 1264293;1441572567;shinohai;!rate DatAss 1 Because ... dat ass 1264294;1441572567;assbot;DatAss is not registered in WoT. 1264295;1441572610;shinohai;bbl 1264296;1441572612;punkman;well if you own dat ass, it can get in wot 1264297;1441572729;shinohai;I'll have her come register later when I'm done blowing it up. 1264298;1441572793;anton_osika;My situation as of now is that there is nothing to strictly verify a former fingerprint. However I am the unique holder of the name AntonOsika in Sweden, publicly registered with physical address, so you if you are passing by please find me and I would provide generous housing. 1264299;1441572844;punkman;register with new fingerprint, nobody knew the old one anyway 1264300;1441573059;anton_osika;Well I believe mircea_popescu would honor a contract where the couterparty has no competition at identifying himself. It would be pleasant to extend the notion of trust to identity in the physical domain however. 1264301;1441573295;punkman;!up anton_osika 1264302;1441573381;mircea_popescu;anton_osika what part of property do you imagine is physical ? 1264303;1441573418;anton_osika;Land for example. 1264304;1441573428;anton_osika;Not much else. 1264305;1441573450;mircea_popescu;how is your property of land physical. 1264306;1441573453;mircea_popescu;punkman also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6JN0l7A_mE 1264307;1441573454;assbot;Nabucco - Hebrew Slaves Chorus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWzl1E ) 1264308;1441573466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0007251 = 4.9307 BTC [-] {2} 1264309;1441573695;anton_osika;Well ownership is nothing physical but the underlying. What arguably makes land different is that one can lets ones physical embodiment be placed on the land, and this can be recognised / unchallenged by others 1264310;1441573724;mod6;;;tslb 1264311;1441573733;gribble;Time since last block: 56 minutes and 56 seconds 1264312;1441573803;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263972 << add to that, "never use known file extensions". 1264313;1441573803;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 16:39:54; ben_vulpes: what are best practices with the mailing list again? 1264314;1441573821;mircea_popescu;fucking subtle undebuggable bullshit, "oh we figured out you're using something of ours, here, it's broken now" 1264315;1441573934;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263999 / /me is popcorning along. 1264316;1441573934;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 16:59:13; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is right about c_wot 1264317;1441574026;anton_osika;punkman: Thanks for the concern about fingerprint. The issue is this: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A 1264318;1441574027;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M ) 1264319;1441574071;mircea_popescu;these fucking idiots. so eulora is based on modifying work by others. those others have done the following thing : the dialogue of a npc is contained in a table. that table has fields. those fields are "reply 1" "reply 2" and so up to 5. why to 5 ? 1264320;1441574080;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE IT IS A RULE OF THE UNIVERSE THAT ALL THINGS HAVE 5 REPLIES!!1 1264321;1441574091;mircea_popescu;this is how you use databases now, by counting the fucking fileds. 1264322;1441574093;thestringpuller;planeshift? 1264323;1441574108;punkman;mircea_popescu: very common with mysql folks 1264324;1441574112;mircea_popescu;field1, field2 and who the fuck was responsible with raping these idiots as 5yo and discarding the bloodied remains in a ditch did a horrible job 1264325;1441574124;mircea_popescu;the same thing is observed not just here, but THROUGHOUT 1264326;1441574140;mircea_popescu;and is not limited to the db. here, have a magic number in code, because THAT IS WHAT CODE IS FOR!11 1264327;1441574147;thestringpuller;Yea Planeshift has a lot of quirks like that. 1264328;1441574151;mircea_popescu;quirks ? 1264329;1441574155;mircea_popescu;these aren't "quirks" 1264330;1441574179;mircea_popescu;these are the unfortunate results downstream of insufficient five year olds being raped to death and discarded in a ditch. 1264331;1441574191;thestringpuller;P. much. 1264332;1441574233;anton_osika;antonosika has to sign a document stating the location of delivery. He however involuntarily lost his hands. So he can't sign documents anymore. 1264333;1441574260;anton_osika;That's why I'm harassing mircea_popescu until I make him smile. 1264334;1441574293;anton_osika;So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor. 1264335;1441574387;anton_osika;And again, my physical embodiment is openly registered, if you are in the neighbourhood mircea_popescu. And I might not be as dumb as it seems from the backup policies .. 1264336;1441574404;mircea_popescu;im in fucking buenos aires 1264337;1441574406;mircea_popescu;what neighbourhood ? 1264338;1441574463;*;mircea_popescu is still raging over the db thing. who the fuck does this. who the fuck makes labels for items in a database WITH THEIR OWN BAKED IN INDEXES! 1264339;1441574478;mircea_popescu;the moment you go to write "field"+number you should fucking realise YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. 1264340;1441574485;mircea_popescu;compeletely, utterly wrong from hell. 1264341;1441574516;punkman;mircea_popescu: just curious if this clause "and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange in total value of at least 100 BTC prior to the date of delivery" would be fulfilled by Poloniex, Kraken or any other exchange listed at http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#markets 1264342;1441574516;assbot;Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWB4nG ) 1264343;1441574546;mircea_popescu;punkman where's that clause from ? 1264344;1441574558;punkman;anton_osika's ETH contract 1264345;1441574580;mircea_popescu;link or something ? 1264346;1441574597;punkman;http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A 1264347;1441574598;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M ) 1264348;1441574640;mircea_popescu;ah, that. he never fulfilled his obligations under it iirc. 1264349;1441574686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0007251 = 4.4956 BTC [-] 1264350;1441574712;mircea_popescu;o nm, he actualy did 1264351;1441574763;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/tx/2d1ed3f47a6ec0194d8855eec37c252506203ef7d6f5643bba17f7c244a45b00 1264352;1441574764;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 2d1ed3f47a6ec0194d8855eec37c252506203ef7d6f5643bba17f7c244a45b00 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWBhHu ) 1264353;1441574808;mircea_popescu;so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?! 1264354;1441574846;thestringpuller;"Fellow miners, Some of you receive emails and phone calls from developers. I am not big enough to get that treatment." << LOL. And this is why you side with BIP-101 1264355;1441574849;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000 1264356;1441574849;gribble;81.1608 1264357;1441574916;punkman;poor anton 1264358;1441574921;mircea_popescu;that's a valuable laptop. 1264359;1441575000;punkman;should have generated ETH address to put in contract 1264360;1441575045;thestringpuller;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-venture-capital/ << oh look at that. 1264361;1441575052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073529 = 14.5955 BTC [+] {3} 1264362;1441575171;mircea_popescu;punkman at the time you cou;dn't have. 1264363;1441575280;punkman;I think they had published enough code then and they had some stupid application for direct buyers 1264364;1441575752;mircea_popescu;not iirc. 1264365;1441575761;punkman;PSA: print your ascii-armored keys out. don't use a xerox. 1264366;1441575784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00073791 = 16.9719 BTC [+] 1264367;1441575829;mircea_popescu;lol 1264368;1441575853;mircea_popescu;the one point nobody seems to have noticed re that : use mp style fonts (14 point bold) you won't have a problem. 1264369;1441575867;mircea_popescu;use shitass cheapo "businessman" 8 pt thin sans, you're asking to be fucked. 1264370;1441576025;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264012 << why would either work ?! 1264371;1441576025;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 17:05:49; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work 1264372;1441576239;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264041 << it's open source right ? that means people can come later and fix it so it works as it should, right ? 1264373;1441576239;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 17:17:54; asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it. 1264374;1441576243;mircea_popescu;SOFTWARE PARADIGM!!11 1264375;1441576293;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264046 << occasionally. 1264376;1441576293;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 17:35:40; asciilifeform: has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there / 1264377;1441576320;mircea_popescu;but more of a fleamarket thing than an electronics supply shop thing 1264378;1441576561;BingoBoingo;!up ufoinc__ 1264379;1441576763;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/P4wMn << the butthurt 1264380;1441576764;assbot;amheekin comments on Cookie Monsters!!! ...and other stuff I've baked. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKDEHh ) 1264381;1441576795;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264067 << it occurs to me that if we're going to do this, we might as well do it on assbot otc. 1264382;1441576795;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 18:01:41; asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform 1264383;1441576804;punkman;mircea_popescu: orphaned is not the right word there, consider that if the last two patches in your V set create two branches, you can't choose a branch. V will try to apply both and doesn't check filehashes during the patching process. 1264384;1441576813;mircea_popescu;moreover, something like this might actually be a perfect solution for my marketplace idea too. i wanna buy all sorts of things like 3d models etc. 1264385;1441576830;mircea_popescu;punkman this dawned on me presently. ouch. 1264386;1441576867;mircea_popescu;btw punkman would you be interested in implementing a otc-marketplace clone ? 1264387;1441576869;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.forbes.com/sites/nealegodfrey/2015/09/06/how-stupid-can-you-be-with-money-ask-lottery-winners/ 1264388;1441576870;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKDQGh ) 1264389;1441576873;ag3nt_zer0;"Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash" 1264390;1441576943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41833 @ 0.00073801 = 30.8732 BTC [+] {3} 1264391;1441576954;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 to my eyes this is more a failure of western society than of whittaker himself. 1264392;1441576976;mircea_popescu;i can readily believe that most of the problem was, jack fully expected to be able to BUY THINGS FOR HIS MONEY. 1264393;1441576976;ag3nt_zer0;yeah? 1264394;1441576984;mircea_popescu;whereas this is not "how the world works" 1264395;1441577004;mircea_popescu;he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys. 1264396;1441577054;mircea_popescu;the notion that you'd take as much as 500 bucks to a us strip club... 1264397;1441577064;mircea_popescu;seriously, at that level of service they should be paying you to even go. 1264398;1441577076;punkman;mircea_popescu: sure, but can't sysadmin the box it lives on (and don't want to fight ddos other than making application cache better and whatnot) 1264399;1441577083;mircea_popescu;it's more work to be a us strip club customer than to work there. 1264400;1441577121;mircea_popescu;punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. 1264401;1441577259;mircea_popescu;however! it occurs to me this actually would work splendidly with deeds. 1264402;1441577275;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: what do you mean by this? "he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys." 1264403;1441577285;mircea_popescu;trinque listen, would you consider creating a special deed template, which if satisfied gets taken to amarketplace listing sort-of like otc ? searchable is the important part. 1264404;1441577314;trinque;yeah, that doesn't sound too hard 1264405;1441577324;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/#selection-99.19-103.20 1264406;1441577325;assbot;Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUTdAo ) 1264407;1441577338;mircea_popescu;trinque one second drawing mockup 1264408;1441577424;trinque;may require freedom-of-speech friendly hosting, depending on what's bought and sold 1264409;1441577441;trinque;currently on McAWS 1264410;1441577481;kakobrekla;speaking of searchable, current deeds are not if im correct? 1264411;1441577490;trinque;correct; haven't done that yet 1264412;1441577520;trinque;so far it's a single page; though this marketplace will likely call for a db 1264413;1441577529;trinque;I will probably still take the flat file approach otherwise; I prefer it 1264414;1441577683;mircea_popescu;trinque http://dpaste.com/3SYPFEM 1264415;1441577684;assbot;dpaste: 3SYPFEM ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKFfNd ) 1264416;1441577764;trinque;mircea_popescu: very easy to implement. 1264417;1441577769;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1264418;1441577793;trinque;yeah sounds great. WoT needs a buy/sell board 1264419;1441577823;mircea_popescu;yeah. and i know i do. 1264420;1441577839;trinque;got a recommendation for non-aws hosting? 1264421;1441577848;trinque;I've wanted to move deedbot- off that for a while anyway 1264422;1441577872;mats;https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net 1264423;1441577875;assbot;NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Web Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKFtnp ) 1264424;1441577900;trinque;that'd work once I'm in Houston, as I'm moving my blockchains all onto my own network once there 1264425;1441577904;*;mircea_popescu looks through servers 1264426;1441577909;trinque;I don't suppose they'd offer enough space for one? 1264427;1441577944;trinque;oh, it looks like they in fact do offer a great deal of space 1264428;1441577948;mircea_popescu;trinque im full and before moving i wanna see if jurov actually comes through with something usable 1264429;1441577948;trinque;mats: experience with them? 1264430;1441577958;trinque;mircea_popescu: k 1264431;1441577966;mircea_popescu;but in principle you get free server. 1264432;1441578002;mircea_popescu;once you get the search engine for this, prolly can be applied to deeds too 1264433;1441578010;mircea_popescu;and after that we have a backup in case logs need it 1264434;1441578057;trinque;yep, can be something like categories for particular deeds maybe, this being a "buy/sell" 1264435;1441578062;mircea_popescu;but re the "depending on what's bought and sold", i personally have no qualms whatsoever with negrating into the ground folks who put shit in the board. 1264436;1441578090;mats;trinque: good support, used em a decade ago to host ecommerce sites 1264437;1441578096;trinque;yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge 1264438;1441578103;mats;i still hear good things about them on the interwebs so i think they've maintained quality since 1264439;1441578121;trinque;mats: cool 1264440;1441578130;mats;in fact i think alf does? 1264441;1441578159;BingoBoingo; yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge << Part of the point of a WoT is keeping out people who's publically list such a thing 1264442;1441578166;trinque;indeed. 1264443;1441578168;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;) 1264444;1441578216;trinque;o what trolling have I brought upon meself 1264445;1441578225;mircea_popescu;!rated trinque 1264446;1441578225;assbot;You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Nice work on the deedbot. 1264447;1441578235;trinque;anyhow, sounds like a great idea; I will start hacking on it in spare cycles 1264448;1441578241;punkman;mircea_popescu: punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. << myeah, last attempt didn't work out too well, and I'd rather make my yearly sysadmining allotment shrink than grow 1264449;1441578243;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, what planet would you prefer to live on? 1264450;1441578261;mircea_popescu;retiring eh ? 1264451;1441578280;punkman;one can aspire 1264452;1441578293;mircea_popescu;yeah, aspies. 1264453;1441578297;funkenstein_;trinque, lol. no, I said no "shouldas". The exercise is to learn from history. But since you mention it, how about alexander the great conquering the new world instead of retarded puritan rejects? 1264454;1441578314;mircea_popescu;what exactly do you like about alex ? 1264455;1441578342;punkman;says "great" on the tin 1264456;1441578367;mircea_popescu;i suspek so, buyt hey, let the man stand on his words. 1264457;1441578368;trinque;!b 3 1264458;1441578369;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/28WSR5K.txt ) 1264459;1441578370;trinque;d'oh 1264460;1441578377;mircea_popescu;lol 1264461;1441578407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0007375 = 9.145 BTC [-] {3} 1264462;1441578439;trinque;funkenstein_: my point was that you are seeing value in people who could not defend themselves. seems to me that's a prerequisite of being valuable in any other way. 1264463;1441578468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00072673 = 12.2091 BTC [-] {4} 1264464;1441578557;funkenstein_;women and children for example 1264465;1441578563;funkenstein_;programmers in the boxing ring 1264466;1441578565;trinque;or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart? 1264467;1441578578;mircea_popescu;wait, what ? 1264468;1441578591;mircea_popescu;women and children can't defend themselves ? 1264469;1441578603;mircea_popescu;how come in every fucking conflict it's the men that dioe and the women that survive ? 1264470;1441578622;funkenstein_;well not the conflict we were discussing 1264471;1441578626;mircea_popescu;orly. 1264472;1441578640;trinque;looks from the faces of south americans that some did survive... 1264473;1441578645;mircea_popescu;i suppose the reason mexicans today are short stocky dwarves is that the spanish mutated. 1264474;1441578648;trinque;heh! 1264475;1441578657;funkenstein_;trinque, very important point thank you 1264476;1441578706;mircea_popescu;incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other. 1264477;1441578707;fluffypony;https://i.imgur.com/jwB2ONv.jpg 1264478;1441578708;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKGtb4 ) 1264479;1441578715;pete_dushenski;;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc) 1264480;1441578715;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1264481;1441578742;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264213 << all day. i noticed this guy for 'y-3' hoodie 1264482;1441578742;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 20:03:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263876 << dude this guy, https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg 1264483;1441578804;pete_dushenski;y-3 was my favourite clothing brand, once upon a time when i cared about such things. ideal collision of sportiness, haute fashion, japaneseness, and obscure brand cachet 1264484;1441578830;pete_dushenski;i still have a y-3 hoodie and basketball jersey in my closet 1264485;1441578858;pete_dushenski;the y-3 'football cleats' were possibly the coolest shoes i ever owned. easily my all-time faves. 1264486;1441578891;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264110 << by the zing ye shall know the zinger. 1264487;1441578891;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 18:25:54; ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself. 1264488;1441578935;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264122 << kako very much has it. do not ask to ask, just ask. what can you do ? 1264489;1441578935;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 18:41:35; kakobrekla: lets turn this around, what _can_ you do? 1264490;1441578961;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264127 << wedding ? 1264491;1441578961;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 18:46:34; trinque: she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide 1264492;1441579011;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263694 <- sorry to be that log reader but I'd like to know wtf this means 1264493;1441579011;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 04:42:06; mircea_popescu: must kill because can. 1264494;1441579023;mircea_popescu;!s if you can you must 1264495;1441579024;assbot;33 results for 'if you can you must' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can+you+must 1264496;1441579027;mircea_popescu;see ? 1264497;1441579044;funkenstein_;so shall I program because I can? 1264498;1441579064;mircea_popescu;see also http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/ 1264499;1441579065;assbot;The corn thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKGRX2 ) 1264500;1441579071;punkman;funkenstein_: inevitably 1264501;1441579079;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you might misjudge your can on that score. 1264502;1441579089;mircea_popescu;yes, if you actually could, you inescapably would be. 1264503;1441579109;funkenstein_;because I was under the impression you were encouraging us to have direction and intent in our efforts 1264504;1441579124;mircea_popescu;actual rather than putative, tho. 1264505;1441579135;trinque;mircea_popescu: nah, she's got a few screws loose and doesn't see fit to let me handle 'em with a screwdriver 1264506;1441579139;trinque;bad jurisdiction 1264507;1441579141;trinque;:p 1264508;1441579150;mircea_popescu;lol 1264509;1441579155;mircea_popescu;is she getting wotroduced ? 1264510;1441579163;trinque;neh, she can find her own way here if she does 1264511;1441579174;mircea_popescu;what's this your sister or something ? 1264512;1441579179;trinque;nah, ex 1264513;1441579193;mircea_popescu;worse huh :D 1264514;1441579194;*;trinque leaves a trail of productive women behind him 1264515;1441579211;mircea_popescu;why leave ? why not just you know, have them love each other. 1264516;1441579218;mircea_popescu;then you won't be able to leave the house anymore. 1264517;1441579220;mircea_popescu;like kakobrekla 1264518;1441579224;trinque;culturally retarded is why 1264519;1441579224;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264159 <-- http://coin-vote.com/poll/55e8a33299baadff0a34acb7 1264520;1441579224;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 19:42:24; andychase: That's "vote by how much money you have" 1264521;1441579226;assbot;Coin-Vote ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKH3FZ ) 1264522;1441579242;funkenstein_;"built because could" 1264523;1441579295;mircea_popescu;aha. 1264524;1441579318;pete_dushenski;trinque: this same clinton voter girl ? 1264525;1441579326;trinque;nah that's a different one 1264526;1441579346;pete_dushenski;ah, what's this one's cultural retardation then ? 1264527;1441579381;mircea_popescu;what, a woman can'tr vote for clinton if she wants to now ?! 1264528;1441579401;trinque;to summarize, demanding equality while psychologically needing me to set the boundaries 1264529;1441579413;trinque;mircea_popescu: can vote however she likes; that's just a different chick 1264530;1441579426;mircea_popescu;dude if that's your criteria you've excluded a supermajority 1264531;1441579429;mircea_popescu;in the sense of > 100% 1264532;1441579465;mircea_popescu;but anyway, enough of this pestering guy into a discussion of things he didn't particularly care to discuss. 1264533;1441579470;trinque;heh 1264534;1441579484;trinque;I know others that rock my goddamn boat less, and get more done 1264535;1441579489;btcdrak;BIPCBBSRA is now BIP105 1264536;1441579507;btcdrak;funkenstein_ 1264537;1441579521;mircea_popescu;i think longer amount of letter numbers is better bips 1264538;1441579526;pete_dushenski;oh more bips ? 1264539;1441579534;pete_dushenski;more 'debates' ? 1264540;1441579539;funkenstein_;aha thanks 1264541;1441579558;funkenstein_;gotta run sorry, i need a dozen like kakobrekla does - have a good weekend y'all 1264542;1441579559;pete_dushenski;66 v. 100 v. 101 v. 105 v. your mom 1264543;1441579565;funkenstein_;lol 1264544;1441579573;btcdrak;also, the question is sort of bogus. Blocksize does not help bitcoin scale. 1264545;1441579583;pete_dushenski;ya don't say 1264546;1441579591;funkenstein_;good point.. 1264547;1441579592;punkman;davout's BIP000 is the only credible choice 1264548;1441579640;btcdrak;the question needs to be something like "What is the best proposal for blocksize" or whatever 1264549;1441579656;mircea_popescu;btcdrak it is always easier to "rainse awareness" and "solve" problems you imagined than doing something useful. 1264550;1441579657;btcdrak;new altcoin idea: zeroblock. 1264551;1441579773;pete_dushenski;http://www.ebay.ca/itm/adidas-yohji-yamamoto-y-3-y3-football-shoes-sneakers-12-uk-/252059365142?hash=item3aafe8af16 << aforementioned dream sneakers, well-loved y-3 'football' shoes. 1264552;1441579774;assbot;Adidas Yohji Yamamoto Y 3 Y3 Football Shoes Sneakers 12 UK | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKHM9Y ) 1264553;1441579802;mircea_popescu;anyway, /me is pretty well amused as to how the color revolution experts got color revolutioned up the ass, so hard their head's spinning. 1264554;1441579827;mircea_popescu;you hear that nuland ? you ain't got the resources to compete. not good enough. 1264555;1441579890;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162575.0;all << in that lulzvein. "the people" now creating proposals for voting mechanisms to score the proposals for blabla. 1264556;1441579893;assbot;Voting for block size increase proposals ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKHTT8 ) 1264557;1441579901;punkman;bulldozer was totally the best color 1264558;1441579969;mircea_popescu;the entire decapitation of gavin thing, with its attendant disbelief on the enemy side and misallocation of resources/misinvestment of assets in dead pockets was such a major defeat for the usg, "the tikrit offensive"'s nothing compared. 1264559;1441580053;mircea_popescu;(but yes, i'm sure "if they really wanted to", meta-etc and so forth, things could have been very different bla bla) 1264560;1441580097;pete_dushenski;"next time" (tm) 1264561;1441580167;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264353 << lel. that's one way to win. 1264562;1441580167;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 21:26:48; mircea_popescu: so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?! 1264563;1441580191;pete_dushenski;"many ways to skin a cat" 1264564;1441580465;mats;http://as2914.net 1264565;1441580467;assbot;NTT Internet BGP Visualization ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqAhhE ) 1264566;1441580479;pete_dushenski;!up refferedbyloper_ 1264567;1441580551;pete_dushenski;!up refferedbyloper 1264568;1441580617;mats;why 1264569;1441580879;mircea_popescu;i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks. 1264570;1441580942;mats;vicious audience 1264571;1441580976;mircea_popescu;i guess sohuh 1264572;1441581006;punkman;what, two people showed up to ask about phuctor not working today 1264573;1441581069;mircea_popescu;i just meant the webirc link he has 1264574;1441581101;mircea_popescu;(i took mine out, because they fucktardedly started using javscript google captcha) 1264575;1441581141;punkman;google captcha: the only captcha that works, and only because google knows everyone 1264576;1441581178;mircea_popescu;works my foot. 1264577;1441581624;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/1AJ9NGR plox 1264578;1441581626;assbot;dpaste: 1AJ9NGR ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqBrtA ) 1264579;1441581638;pete_dushenski;"Here in Seattle, where the first stage of a $15-an-hour minimum wage law took effect in April, Ivar’s seafood restaurants switched to an all-inclusive menu. By raising prices 21 percent and ending tipping, Bob C. Donegan, the president and co-owner, calculated he could increase everyone’s wages." << welcome to japan. i guess the pearl harbour invasion stuck after all. 1264580;1441581640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00072579 = 13.6449 BTC [+] {3} 1264581;1441581714;punkman;what does the all-inclusive menu and no tipping add? 1264582;1441581733;mircea_popescu;nothing. who the fuck eats "all inclusive", waht is this, ivar's school cafeteria ? 1264583;1441581751;pete_dushenski;complete loss of the profit motive for the wait staff 1264584;1441581850;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu done 1264585;1441581901;pete_dushenski;"The No. 1 complaint from customers? The prohibition on tips. So while the menu still states that prices include service, the credit card slips now have a line that reads: “If you INSIST on leaving a tip, write it here.”" << mkay this is the icing on the stupid cake. at least in japan, leaving a tip is tantamount to slapping the server's mother with your flaccid cock. 1264586;1441581925;pete_dushenski;but in the united states of workerdignity, you can't leave a tip. unless you do. 1264587;1441581961;pete_dushenski;and of course, the server will still be tickled pink because that's the ~culture~ 1264588;1441581975;pete_dushenski;you're supposed to tip in north america 1264589;1441582011;pete_dushenski;goddam socialists always trying to superimpose utopia and shove a square peg in a round hole 1264590;1441582016;punkman;tipping every single idiot seems quite strange to me 1264591;1441582048;pete_dushenski;you mean every server at every meal ? or kitchen staff ? 1264592;1441582075;pete_dushenski;because i agree that kitchen staff should take their salary and shut up 1264593;1441582099;pete_dushenski;though here, 'tip splitting' is the de facto food insdustry standard 1264594;1441582133;pete_dushenski;the kitchen always gets a cut, so a server might only see 3-4% of a 10% tip, so she won't be too pleased 1264595;1441582150;pete_dushenski;so 15-20% becomes 'acceptable' in their dumb heads 1264596;1441582166;punkman;you do a good job, or maybe your ass looked good, or I just felt like it, you get a tip 1264597;1441582200;pete_dushenski;to the point where i've seen credit card and debit card terminals that ask if you want to tip one of three pre-selected amounts : 15%, 20%, or 25%. 1264598;1441582216;pete_dushenski;i'm pretty sure there are even 20-25-30 ones about, which is lunacy on a stick 1264599;1441582222;punkman;lol 1264600;1441582330;pete_dushenski;nothing irks me quite like holier-than-thou bellboys though, once had one in nyc who flat-out rejected $2. "not enough". because 0>2 in his fucking sandfilled head 1264601;1441582494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45593 @ 0.00073787 = 33.6417 BTC [+] {5} 1264602;1441582741;mircea_popescu;usistan not hungry enough. 1264603;1441582857;punkman;http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/countries-difficult-visas-travel/403267/?single_page=true 1264604;1441582858;assbot;The Countries Where It's Most Difficult to Get a Visa - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqColy ) 1264605;1441582888;pete_dushenski;in my experience : brazil 1264606;1441582890;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1264607;1441582943;mircea_popescu;https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html << this probably needs a repost. via shinohai 1264608;1441582944;assbot;RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSAappear broken (and possibly backdoored) | ___ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZR59A ) 1264609;1441583181;mircea_popescu;ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter. 1264610;1441583250;mircea_popescu;(cryptlib / gnupg 2.x guy) 1264611;1441583758;shinohai;I would be absolutely miserable working for a place like this: http://thenextweb.com/lifehacks/2015/09/05/what-it-means-to-build-a-culture-of-positivity/ 1264612;1441583759;assbot;What it means to build a culture of positivity ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD5LH ) 1264613;1441583770;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/mozilla_firefox_bugzilla_leak/ 1264614;1441583771;assbot;Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD4HV ) 1264615;1441583775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00072481 = 9.6037 BTC [-] {3} 1264616;1441583788;shinohai;What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. 1264617;1441583867;punkman;"According to the FAQ, a total of 185 secret bugs leaked. Of those, Mozilla categorizes 53 as "severe vulnerabilities." The oldest of those went unpatched for 335 or more days" 1264618;1441583887;punkman;when do we start making a browser? 1264619;1441583897;shinohai;335 days O.o 1264620;1441583917;punkman;well yeah they had important "Features" to work on first 1264621;1441583951;shinohai;I'd like a browser that doesn't break every time it updates every 3 days 1264622;1441583998;jurov;coinbr progress report: there's light in the end of tunnel, analysis of last two mixed up orders left 1264623;1441584033;jurov;that kind of bug one wonders how the whole thing worked at all 1264624;1441584053;mats;is it because multiple customers put orders in at the same time? 1264625;1441584080;jurov;and at the same price 1264626;1441584134;jurov;and trade between themselves :) 1264627;1441584145;mats;i guess it worked because i was the only one with any volume for the longest time 1264628;1441584205;jurov;not just that, mpex added a misfeature of randomly rejecting orders 1264629;1441584224;jurov;sometime during the recent lull 1264630;1441584310;mats;well, if its any consolation, there's a btc for your troubles when coinbr is up, i know you do a lot of pro bono work around here 1264631;1441584385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00072471 = 7.6457 BTC [-] 1264632;1441584489;shinohai;One day when I actually have btc I need someone to show me the ropes on coinbr 1264633;1441584688;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263473 << thx for thumbsup but this is not related to current situation 1264634;1441584688;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 00:33:21; Bingo_VACAY: Juriv seriously consider raising coinbr fees 1264635;1441584770;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/penpals/ 1264636;1441584771;assbot;Pen Pals ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqDRbA ) 1264637;1441584790;jurov;monthly/withdrawal fees already cause enough friction, pple made themselves heard 1264638;1441584804;jurov;and the % .. maaybe someday 1264639;1441584848;BingoBoingo;Ah, well 1264640;1441584983;jurov;http://hugelolcdn.com/i460/352391.jpg for all the niggaz 1264641;1441584983;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqE1jk ) 1264642;1441585292;shinohai;LOLZ jurov 1264643;1441585370;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/eA9YX 1264644;1441585371;assbot;Start a 'Grease Bucket Challenge' to raise awareness about obesity. : CrazyIdeas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPyMn ) 1264645;1441585845;mircea_popescu;lol pc frog 1264646;1441585932;mircea_popescu; What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia. 1264647;1441585951;mircea_popescu;however if you want the best of the best cafeteria food - that's level two! be positive online, move to san francisco! 1264648;1441585979;mircea_popescu;hiring in the traditional sense has no bearing on all this. it's "hiring", as in, usg "hires" you to lap up the welfare faucet drippings. 1264649;1441586006;mircea_popescu;on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations. 1264650;1441586040;mircea_popescu;on the minus side, if you can do it for a year and not want to kill yourself every night, you'll know you're dumb. not even "not smart". outright dumb. 1264651;1441586157;mircea_popescu; when do we start making a browser? << noty. 1264652;1441586272;shinohai;Ironically mircea_popescu, the hashbang guys wanted me to come to San Fran and work lol 1264653;1441586295;mircea_popescu;aha 1264654;1441586395;shinohai;I'd last about a week before I burnt the place down. 1264655;1441586452;mircea_popescu;but to be fair : i also won't hire them if they've been stupid online. 1264656;1441586455;shinohai;Or mybe I could sustain another workplace injury nd double my income. 1264657;1441586461;mircea_popescu;so it's just where the wall is drawn. 1264658;1441586494;mircea_popescu;either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde. 1264659;1441586499;mircea_popescu;all things have a place and a place for all things. 1264660;1441586581;shinohai;True. ^ 1264661;1441586754;shinohai;No one wants to be around someone that always projects negativity. But isn't there something to be said for honesty? 1264662;1441586784;shinohai;If someone tells me my product sucks, and it genuinely sucks, perhaps I can use that feedback to not suck. 1264663;1441586886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00073841 = 17.4265 BTC [+] {3} 1264664;1441586891;pete_dushenski;shinohai: coincidentally, i just saw this http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/06/business/smart-workers-seek-out-advice-study-suggests.html?src=me 1264665;1441586894;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkiSEy ) 1264666;1441586900;mircea_popescu;that's not even the main point. the main point is that they abhor hierarchy, and want the world to be flat. 1264667;1441586913;mircea_popescu;negative reinforcement is what your superiors do, and they can't have any. 1264668;1441586985;mircea_popescu;so you know, if his product sucks tell him in such a way that it doesn't come out you're better than him, and he won't think you were "being negative" 1264669;1441587015;mircea_popescu;all this derpage to assuage the fears and terrors of the 14yo mind already... it's kinda sad. 1264670;1441587196;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264638 << 0.5% per trade is plenty. 1264671;1441587196;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 00:13:24; jurov: and the % .. maaybe someday 1264672;1441587227;pete_dushenski;dunno where BingoBoingo gets the idea that he's jurov's business development advisor now 1264673;1441587310;*;pete_dushenski is a contented coinbr customer, downtown factored in 1264674;1441587341;shinohai;I may be totally wrong, but I think it is foolhardy *not* to seek advice and varied viewpoints. 1264675;1441587343;pete_dushenski;downtime* 1264676;1441587375;pete_dushenski;shinohai: sure, but i didn't see jurov seeking advice here. maybe i missed this in the logs ? 1264677;1441587415;pete_dushenski;!s hashbang 1264678;1441587416;assbot;5 results for 'hashbang' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashbang 1264679;1441587439;*;BingoBoingo just tossed out that suggestion 1264680;1441587504;pete_dushenski;the equivalent being jurov telling qntra to put up a paywall because "make more skrillz!" 1264681;1441587522;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1264682;1441587523;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 242.36, Best ask: 242.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 242.37, 24 hour volume: 20324.8238345, 24 hour low: 235.75, 24 hour high: 248.48, 24 hour vwap: None 1264683;1441587537;BingoBoingo;Would give that idea consideration 1264684;1441587551;pete_dushenski;not saying you wouldn't 1264685;1441587562;mats;i love drama 1264686;1441587563;pete_dushenski;and maybe someday, we'll live to see it 1264687;1441587589;pete_dushenski;mats: drama ? heh this little tickling ? 1264688;1441587603;mats;your mom 1264689;1441587644;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/PkBridv.jpg 1264690;1441587645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkjB8E ) 1264691;1441587768;pete_dushenski;speaking of qntra, it's coming up on its first bday, neh ? 1264692;1441587774;pete_dushenski;october, wasn't it 1264693;1441587782;BingoBoingo;it is 1264694;1441587791;pete_dushenski;pretty sweet 1264695;1441587859;pete_dushenski;and s.qntr has gone from 0.00013514 to 0.00039 !!! 1264696;1441587862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00072881 = 10.422 BTC [-] 1264697;1441587876;pete_dushenski;http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/ 1264698;1441587877;assbot;S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkjY2Y ) 1264699;1441588056;pete_dushenski;"Eugenie Bouchard has pulled out of the US Open with a concussion. TSN has learned that Bouchard sustained the injury on Friday night when she tripped while walking from the training room to room where the ice bath is located." << go canada ;/ 1264700;1441588128;shinohai;Qntra ... Powered by the tears of reddit (tm) 1264701;1441588264;pete_dushenski;and truth ! 1264702;1441588705;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264355 << if this doesn't encourage a few more kids to put their money where their mouths are, nothing will. now if they only had any money... 1264703;1441588705;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000 1264704;1441588961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00072881 = 5.539 BTC [-] 1264705;1441589240;pete_dushenski;bbl 1264706;1441589815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29155 @ 0.00073723 = 21.4939 BTC [+] {5} 1264707;1441590120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00073866 = 23.6371 BTC [+] 1264708;1441590303;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264205 << win. where do i buy a ticket to the public impalement of the 'best practices' folks ? 1264709;1441590303;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 19:55:05; shinohai: https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html 1264710;1441590307;asciilifeform;that's what i wanna know 1264711;1441590381;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264271 << checking TAKES AS LONG AS RECALCULATING 1264712;1441590381;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 20:36:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263952 << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking. 1264713;1441590389;asciilifeform;because it ~is~ equivalent to recalculating ! 1264714;1441590419;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264281 << neato. kakobrekla, do you have it on your list ? 1264715;1441590419;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 20:42:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator. 1264716;1441590472;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264312 << if you let the attach be mime/txt, line endings will be mutilated, aha. 1264717;1441590472;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 21:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263972 << add to that, "never use known file extensions". 1264718;1441590477;asciilifeform;Because It Can. 1264719;1441590556;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264334 << tr0l0l0l, gold medal. can take off the walrus mask now - which one of you rascals was this. 1264720;1441590556;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 21:18:13; anton_osika: So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor. 1264721;1441590608;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264370 << 'work' as in their presence must not make the thing blow up. atm, it does. 1264722;1441590608;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 21:47:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264012 << why would either work ?! 1264723;1441590686;mircea_popescu;aha 1264724;1441590713;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264422 << completely useless for anything but static html. it simply happens to be where my site lives 1264725;1441590713;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 22:17:52; mats: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net 1264726;1441590735;asciilifeform;(you can't actually get a 24/7 unix process at n.f.s. - it's a plain old www hoster, 1990s-style) 1264727;1441590749;asciilifeform;~and~ it's american. 1264728;1441590755;asciilifeform;prolly not of interest to anyone here. 1264729;1441590803;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264440 << see above. 1264730;1441590803;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:10; mats: in fact i think alf does? 1264731;1441590858;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264443 << i don't expect to get anything out of this. or rather, i don't expect to see any of the things that i want, for the price i can afford. this requires broke, desperate americans selling to make rent. and i can't see them doing it on mircea_popescutron 1264732;1441590858;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:48; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;) 1264733;1441590900;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264476 << same, l0l 1264734;1441590900;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:46; mircea_popescu: incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other. 1264735;1441590912;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264479 << holy fuck man what've you been smoking 1264736;1441590913;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:55; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc) 1264737;1441590993;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264569 << it's that one bloke, every time. mr. misspell. 1264738;1441590993;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 23:07:59; mircea_popescu: i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks. 1264739;1441591181;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264609 << this needs exposition work imho 1264740;1441591181;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 23:46:21; mircea_popescu: ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter. 1264741;1441591249;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264614 << note the standard slimeball blame shift to the folks who busted the bug vault, rather than the turds who collected and sat on the goodies for usgtronic purpose 1264742;1441591249;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 23:56:11; assbot: Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD4HV ) 1264743;1441591424;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264649 << where does my personal circle of hell fit into this dante inferno ? y'know, the one with work 1264744;1441591424;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 00:33:26; mircea_popescu: on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations. 1264745;1441591461;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264658 << omitted important elements, the zombie city and the celestial horde. 1264746;1441591461;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 00:41:34; mircea_popescu: either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde. 1264747;1441591469;*;asciilifeform in zombie city 1264748;1441591476;*;asciilifeform moonlights in celestial horde 1264749;1441591487;asciilifeform;wallowin' with the eagles. 1264750;1441591521;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264661 << 'negative' there is codespeak for '#b-a and other thoughtcrimes' 1264751;1441591521;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 00:45:54; shinohai: No one wants to be around someone that always projects negativity. But isn't there something to be said for honesty? 1264752;1441592621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00073866 = 3.0285 BTC [+] 1264753;1441593118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/GIDeo << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like. 1264754;1441593119;assbot;The Museum of Sleep-ad-Libitum ! - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHYo9U ) 1264755;1441593165;asciilifeform;five motherfucking stories of it. 1264756;1441593167;mircea_popescu;ahaha no, those chairs suck 1264757;1441593197;asciilifeform;there were perhaps 1,001 types of chair. 1264758;1441593207;asciilifeform;from ludovic vii to aeron. 1264759;1441593216;mircea_popescu;they all seem the same, but maybe just bad pic choice 1264760;1441593244;asciilifeform;rooms had 'countries' theme - 'britain', 'russia', etc. 1264761;1441593263;asciilifeform;with predominantly 19th c (or early to mid 20th in some cases) setting for each. 1264762;1441593288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264739 << there's always one of these precious "oh nothing happened lolz" derps mixing themselves in every discussion 1264763;1441593288;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 01:59:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264609 << this needs exposition work imho 1264764;1441593298;mircea_popescu;in this case, it was gutmann 1264765;1441593300;asciilifeform;how else! 1264766;1441593353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16825 @ 0.00072652 = 12.2237 BTC [-] {3} 1264767;1441593433;asciilifeform;i had never before been inside a hose half like that. 1264768;1441593435;asciilifeform;it was brain-melting. 1264769;1441593447;asciilifeform;~THIS~ is how actual people lived. 1264770;1441593447;mircea_popescu;re that "blame shift" : i wouldn't even say it's blame shift or anything. pure "us vs them" mentality. obama bombs some schools ? YAY! schools organise and shoot some us terrorists ? BOO!!1 1264771;1441593475;asciilifeform;^ makes sense 1264772;1441593496;asciilifeform;btw that was also the first time in my entire life in usa that i saw proper european-height ceilings. 1264773;1441593504;asciilifeform;(in a residential bldg) 1264774;1441593509;mircea_popescu;and ftr it's perfectly sound. who exactly do you suppose will get quarter for "having been a very competent usg agent" ? 1264775;1441593521;mircea_popescu;chtulhu can eat him first 1264776;1441593544;asciilifeform;speaking of which, the curator informed me that j.e.hoover quartered his agents in that place. 1264777;1441593679;mircea_popescu;what is it, some sort of hotrel ? 1264778;1441593740;asciilifeform;house of 19th c. mega-imperial somebody, turned into a museum-cum-whore-hotel 1264779;1441593753;mircea_popescu;aha 1264780;1441593765;asciilifeform;http://www.omansion.com << very spammy www, if i learned of it from www instead of wandering in, would not have even contemplated setting foot near it 1264781;1441593766;assbot;The Mansion on O Street™ | Events, weddings, b&b & more in Dupont Circle, Washington DC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHZsL2 ) 1264782;1441593796;asciilifeform;possibly one of the worst company www i have ever seen. 1264783;1441593824;asciilifeform;and yes, one can rent the place by the hour, day, month, and actually shit in them golden toilets !! 1264784;1441593832;asciilifeform;^ ben_vulpes et al 1264785;1441593843;asciilifeform;^ anybody else in gringolandia. 1264786;1441593877;mats;lol, front page: white, azn, brown child 1264787;1441593889;asciilifeform;mats: i disrecommend the www; just see my photos. 1264788;1441593902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4725 @ 0.00072985 = 3.4485 BTC [+] 1264789;1441593909;asciilifeform;though ftr i was there for ~2h and didn't visit even half the rooms. 1264790;1441593999;*;asciilifeform was there with pet, and afterwards we had debate re: whether 'if even a few of the folks with maxint usd wanted a house like this, how many could be satisfied, ..., ..., turkey-buying dollars (tm), ..., ... .' 1264791;1441593999;mats;i looked at em, gaudy stuff 1264792;1441594010;asciilifeform;mats: much of the garbage in the photos is 'yard sale' 1264793;1441594021;asciilifeform;(literally, the folks who work in that place, brought the crud in for sale) 1264794;1441594039;asciilifeform;it is where the piles of 'books' came from 1264795;1441594044;mats;lol 1264796;1441594130;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely certain what exactly strikes your fancy so, asciilifeform 1264797;1441594152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: similar feeling to when i saw an american grocery store for first time 1264798;1441594152;mircea_popescu;!up zveda 1264799;1441594161;zveda;mircea_popescu: thanks 1264800;1441594167;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ? 1264801;1441594171;asciilifeform;'so this is what actual life looked like.' 1264802;1441594174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the abundance of items ? or what ? 1264803;1441594181;asciilifeform;nonononono 1264804;1441594183;asciilifeform;of space. 1264805;1441594189;asciilifeform;fuck the items. 1264806;1441594221;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/gIkqgKO.jpg < such as ? 1264807;1441594226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i6SZLF ) 1264808;1441594238;mircea_popescu;first bidet masquerading as bathtub ive ver seen 1264809;1441594260;asciilifeform;there were something like seven wooden tubs of various kinds, in just the rooms i saw 1264810;1441594264;mats;reminds me of bath stall for old folks 1264811;1441594271;asciilifeform;no 'pressed shitboard' either 1264812;1441594279;asciilifeform;mats: actually old ru rubs were of the 'sit-down' kind 1264813;1441594284;asciilifeform;mats: i bathed in one as a boy 1264814;1441594292;asciilifeform;it was sop. 1264815;1441594296;mats;interesting 1264816;1441594316;asciilifeform;then shittification, pressboardification, 'modern' towers, shitter/bath combos, and 'lie-down' enameled steel tubs. 1264817;1441594317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, you ever been on the west coast ? 1264818;1441594320;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope 1264819;1441594327;mircea_popescu;are you going ? 1264820;1441594329;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: never had a reason to go 1264821;1441594348;asciilifeform;i've never been to alaska either 1264822;1441594349;mircea_popescu;well there certainly exist better museums of "sleep ad libitum" all through california. 1264823;1441594356;asciilifeform;and it is ahead on the list 1264824;1441594358;mircea_popescu;yes but this'd be relevant to your interests. 1264825;1441594376;asciilifeform;any in particular ? 1264826;1441594523;mircea_popescu;i dunno, dude, chris rhea's house lol. 1264827;1441594525;mircea_popescu;anyone really. 1264828;1441594566;mircea_popescu;rea* 1264829;1441594573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00073432 = 6.6089 BTC [+] {5} 1264830;1441594611;asciilifeform;it is a museum ? 1264831;1441594633;mircea_popescu;mno. 1264832;1441594641;mircea_popescu;hm. 1264833;1441594663;asciilifeform;i don't personally know a fella named chris rhea. 1264834;1441594670;asciilifeform;so i can't imagine he would invite me for tea. 1264835;1441594677;asciilifeform;(given that i've never heard of such a man) 1264836;1441594702;asciilifeform;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10821220/Runaway-rhea-Chris-is-shot-dead-by-a-gamekeeper.html 1264837;1441594704;assbot;Runaway rhea, Chris, is shot dead by a gamekeeper - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1VI0TJj ) 1264838;1441594711;asciilifeform;'Local gamekeeper said he understood that the police wanted the bird dispatched because they were worried that it could cause a car crash' 1264839;1441594714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=489 there. 1264840;1441594716;assbot;Leland Stanford Mansion SHP ... ( http://bit.ly/1VI0S8s ) 1264841;1441594717;asciilifeform;seems like he is dead. and was a bird. 1264842;1441594744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now ~that~'s a mega-museum. 1264843;1441594748;*;asciilifeform puts on map. 1264844;1441594749;mircea_popescu;yw. 1264845;1441594760;mircea_popescu;but srsly, east coast is famous for crampy, shitty quarters. 1264846;1441594813;mircea_popescu;of more genuine historical interest, ;;google Captain George Flavel House 1264847;1441594816;asciilifeform;i think the 'cramped' actually made it appealing to my inner submariner 1264848;1441594821;mircea_popescu;lol 1264849;1441594828;mircea_popescu;you have an inner submariner ? 1264850;1441594831;asciilifeform;(more pointedly, made it 'plausibly like places in my head') 1264851;1441594857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my old flat had just enough void air in it to physically pass from one room to another. 1264852;1441594863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all the rest - shelves, bulkheads 1264853;1441594877;mircea_popescu;periscope depth, captn! 1264854;1441595046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the place was also set up in such a way that one must look for hidden doors (e.g., swing-out book cases) to find new rooms 1264855;1441595052;asciilifeform;a kind of labyrinth 1264856;1441595086;asciilifeform;this played straight into the mega-phantasy in my dream world of 'found extra room in house' that i've been afflicted with since childhood 1264857;1441595106;*;asciilifeform dreams (literally) of rooms the way a hungry man does of food 1264858;1441595164;asciilifeform;it is interesting how visiting, e.g., a gigantic warehouse, or stadium, does not tickle this fantasy 1264859;1441595184;asciilifeform;because those spaces do not register as 'plausibly like somewhere i can picture living' 1264860;1441595204;asciilifeform;for one thing, a four-story warehouse ceiling is vertical space and ipso facto wasted. 1264861;1441595216;asciilifeform;(from my hindbrain's pov) 1264862;1441595238;asciilifeform;whereas an endless succession of labyrinthine chambers is precisely it. 1264863;1441595249;asciilifeform;i now understand why chinese emperors (and american industrialists) built them! 1264864;1441595269;asciilifeform;it was a kind of theme park of not-feeling-cramped 1264865;1441595498;mircea_popescu;isn't "Found extra rooms in house" kinda like "found extra procedures in code" ? 1264866;1441595505;asciilifeform;no. 1264867;1441595511;mircea_popescu;but anyway, my place in timisoara was ~5k sqft on two levels. 1264868;1441595519;mircea_popescu;perfectly standard for the local upper middle class 1264869;1441595531;asciilifeform;no so different from where my parents live, size-wise 1264870;1441595532;mircea_popescu;had the option to buy it for like 80k, which i didn't take. 1264871;1441595536;asciilifeform;woah 1264872;1441595541;asciilifeform;80k barely buys a van here. 1264873;1441595547;mircea_popescu;yes but you live in a shithole. 1264874;1441595562;*;asciilifeform does not dispute this 1264875;1441595617;asciilifeform;actually i am wrong, fella i know bought a spiffy van for 70k 1264876;1441595701;asciilifeform;anyway, 1,2,3,infinity. 1264877;1441595728;asciilifeform;80 may as well be 800 or 800,000,000 from my pov. 1264878;1441595798;mircea_popescu;what, it's like 400 btc 1264879;1441595835;asciilifeform;so? 1264880;1441595861;mircea_popescu;not even 1k!!1 1264881;1441595867;asciilifeform;...? 1264882;1441595883;mircea_popescu;im just being silly. 1264883;1441595906;trinque;asciilifeform: you do live in the worst possible part of the US 1264884;1441595913;trinque;move to Houston, do math for an oil company 1264885;1441595915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00073894 = 8.7564 BTC [+] 1264886;1441595926;asciilifeform;trinque: see thread. 1264887;1441595927;trinque;the beltway is *not* all there is 1264888;1441595934;trinque;so do science after 5 1264889;1441595936;trinque;I dun geddit 1264890;1441595946;asciilifeform;trinque: read thread, and maybe get it. 1264891;1441595947;asciilifeform;or not. 1264892;1441596018;asciilifeform;trinque: i have zero, zip, nada, interest in being an interchangeable part. 1264893;1441596040;asciilifeform;trinque: if you cannot understand this, i am probably wasting space here attempting to explain it. 1264894;1441596068;trinque;to that I have two responses 1264895;1441596076;trinque;one, do some acid 1264896;1441596079;trinque;two, taqiya 1264897;1441596119;asciilifeform;trinque: would love some acid. might make this existence bearable. see old thread re: why i never had any. 1264898;1441596134;asciilifeform;trinque: as for taqiya, it worked pre-google. 1264899;1441596135;asciilifeform;perhaps. 1264900;1441596177;trinque;asciilifeform: I was telling mr ben_vulp` earlier I'd love to get you some if I'm ever able 1264901;1441596182;trinque;sadly, am currently not 1264902;1441596187;trinque;just to see what'd happen 1264903;1441596196;asciilifeform;dope is over-rated. 1264904;1441596220;trinque;acid's special; not the least bit a matter of getting intoxicated in the usual sense 1264905;1441596241;asciilifeform;!s a smell of petroleum prevails throughout 1264906;1441596243;assbot;1 results for 'a smell of petroleum prevails throughout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+smell+of+petroleum+prevails+throughout 1264907;1441596310;asciilifeform;trinque: as for your oil men, it is a basic truism of salary men in usa that no one is ever, under any circumstances, paid a salary large enough to stop being a salary man. 1264908;1441596318;asciilifeform;it is an elementary thing. 1264909;1441596375;asciilifeform;kinda like if you were kommendant of auschwitz, you wouldn't give a capo a machinegun 1264910;1441596382;asciilifeform;no matter how much you trusted him. 1264911;1441596555;trinque;I see oil and a few other things as the few remaining inputs on the US "economy 1264912;1441596558;trinque;end quote. 1264913;1441596657;asciilifeform;trinque: i am specifically laughing at your notion that i would hate life less if i were to agree to spend MORE HOURS PER DAY doing IDIOT SCUTWORK in exchange for slightly more banana peels. 1264914;1441596680;trinque;ah shit man, I have meatwot friends working for these oil companies 1264915;1441596686;trinque;they pillage and they live well. 1264916;1441596704;asciilifeform;trinque: live well == sleep ad libitum. 1264917;1441596708;asciilifeform;do they ? 1264918;1441596717;asciilifeform;i think you already answered the question though 1264919;1441596719;asciilifeform;they do not. 1264920;1441596727;asciilifeform;given as 'they work for...' 1264921;1441596733;asciilifeform;QED. 1264922;1441596805;asciilifeform;a cubic kilometre of house is worthless if you can't spend your top waking hours there. 1264923;1441596808;trinque;or another meatwot friend working for a tradebot company 1264924;1441596811;trinque;who tried to hire me 1264925;1441596813;asciilifeform;again, working. 1264926;1441596817;trinque;ends at 5! 1264927;1441596823;trinque;gets his dick sucked the rest of the time! 1264928;1441596834;asciilifeform;'cause no energy for actual thought, aha 1264929;1441596881;mats;so lets get down to it, asciilifeform 1264930;1441596889;mats;how many hours of actual work do you do per week 1264931;1441596901;asciilifeform;hard to say 1264932;1441596915;asciilifeform;and what is 'actual work' 1264933;1441596926;asciilifeform;does sitting in the wheel coffin count ? 1264934;1441596954;mats;the sort you abhor, sure, include driving 1264935;1441596959;asciilifeform;(traditionally not, but it isn't like i would be there if it were not for the rest of it) 1264936;1441596984;mats;thats ten hours a week right? 1264937;1441596988;trinque;taqiya 1264938;1441596989;asciilifeform;10-20 1264939;1441597004;trinque;not every act of my career is a manifestation of my principles 1264940;1441597013;trinque;sometimes I'm just trying to get paid 1264941;1441597048;trinque;stick another y on that, I guess 1264942;1441597055;*;trinque reminisces briefly about the persian chick he dated 1264943;1441597056;mats;20 hours of driving? really? 1264944;1441597065;trinque;probably most beautiful women on earth. 1264945;1441597089;asciilifeform;mats: sure. 1264946;1441597094;asciilifeform;mats: what is so astonishing 1264947;1441597109;trinque;that's 2hrs commute a day 1264948;1441597114;trinque;can happen 1264949;1441597118;trinque;houston traffic gets crazy 1264950;1441597124;asciilifeform;2 is the bestcase 1264951;1441597138;mats;i dunno how your mental formula works, but i'd certainly pay to live closer 1264952;1441597153;trinque;thing is, I know guys that just chose to be the smartest guy at a truly asinine startup 1264953;1441597167;trinque;they make great money, they do whatever they please in their free time 1264954;1441597192;trinque;I run a business, but I have no quarrel with those that just maximize their own path through the whole retarded mess./ 1264955;1441597243;trinque;I started my business by neglecting other retarded pursuits and building the other thing in spare time. 1264956;1441597356;asciilifeform;mats: i can't even begin to afford to live near where i work. 1264957;1441597368;asciilifeform;mats: literally twice or more per square metre. 1264958;1441597376;trinque;oh asciilifeform, DC and surrounding sucks so much. 1264959;1441597387;trinque;surely you understand that the sludge flows out from exactly there? 1264960;1441597391;asciilifeform;trinque: of course. 1264961;1441597397;asciilifeform;trinque: i don't work for the sludge though. 1264962;1441597403;trinque;I know, but proximity! 1264963;1441597455;asciilifeform;what about it? it isn't like this is ancient china and you don't have to pay tax if you live far away from the tax collector. 1264964;1441597501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073894 = 6.0593 BTC [+] 1264965;1441597520;trinque;yeah, but you just don't run into them. 1264966;1441597534;trinque;everyone of consequence in TX hates the federal government. 1264967;1441597540;trinque;deeply, and as a matter of principle 1264968;1441597576;asciilifeform;trinque: do they pay a penny less of tax from this ? 1264969;1441597609;trinque;you just feel that way, and wait for the other thing to fail. 1264970;1441597625;asciilifeform;feel ahahaha lol. 1264971;1441597646;trinque;how many years do you think the federal govt has left? 1264972;1441597660;asciilifeform;10,000. 1264973;1441597661;trinque;the gov of texas talked openly about secession throughout his term. 1264974;1441597662;asciilifeform;or not. 1264975;1441597665;asciilifeform;but longer than i have. 1264976;1441597671;trinque;they will destroy the currency and fail 1264977;1441597678;asciilifeform;sure. and then i will be dead. 1264978;1441597687;trinque;who knows. 1264979;1441597693;asciilifeform;nah i'm pretty sure. 1264980;1441597759;asciilifeform;mats: i will add, to earlier thread, that it is not even reliably possible to ~rent a house at all~ near where i work. 1264981;1441597772;asciilifeform;renting out houses is not something that is done, generally, in the richer parts of MD. 1264982;1441597855;mats;it becomes 2x per sqm to get so much as 30mins from work? 1264983;1441597928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9820 @ 0.00073894 = 7.2564 BTC [+] 1264984;1441598044;mats;and you cannot rent rooms either i suppose? 1264985;1441598055;asciilifeform;fuck rooms 1264986;1441598086;asciilifeform;what, you think i will put up with sharing toilet with strangers ? 1264987;1441598090;asciilifeform;seen them, smelling them ? 1264988;1441598098;asciilifeform;why the everliving fuck should i even think about this. 1264989;1441598111;mircea_popescu; hard to say << heh. 1264990;1441598134;mats;so princely 1264991;1441598170;asciilifeform;so minimum-human-ly. 1264992;1441598187;asciilifeform;how many unrelated, unfucked adults does mats share his quarters with ? 1264993;1441598204;asciilifeform;(today, not in the barrack) 1264994;1441598206;mats;wat is 'unfucked' 1264995;1441598232;asciilifeform;ones you do not regularly have sex with 1264996;1441598239;mircea_popescu;interesting metric. 1264997;1441598257;mircea_popescu;makes the collegiate campus a winner. especially at arizona state. 1264998;1441598259;mats;i live alone atm. moved recently. but for most of non-barracks, non-univ adulthood i shared quarters with 2-4 other people 1264999;1441598280;mats;and i expect to do so again in a year or so 1265000;1441598321;asciilifeform;sux 1265001;1441598323;mats;i don't abhor it like you do, will prob do it willingly well into late 20s 1265002;1441598384;mats;sharing toilet with four others does suck, though. but small price to pay to hold onto more wages 1265003;1441598415;mircea_popescu;i expect this will be the permanent normal mode of living from noiw on anyway. 1265004;1441598417;asciilifeform;mats: small price if you don't do any serious thinking. 1265005;1441598435;mircea_popescu;in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial. 1265006;1441598436;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see old thread about sovietized flats where i live, aha 1265007;1441598449;mircea_popescu;but that's all gone now. people aren't willing to kill each other so they'll get packed. 1265008;1441598468;mircea_popescu;those being, very strictly, the options. 1265009;1441598500;asciilifeform;aha, garbage collector hasn't really run since '45 1265010;1441598517;mircea_popescu;nah. see problem there wasd, they destroyed more stuff than killed people. 1265011;1441598526;mircea_popescu;so it was actrually scant improvement. 1265012;1441598529;asciilifeform;'18 then ? 1265013;1441598555;mircea_popescu;i would think so. 1265014;1441598603;asciilifeform;anyway, i don't expect to live to see another such thing. certainly not the other side of it, anyway! 1265015;1441598916;asciilifeform;slightly related, 1265016;1441598971;asciilifeform;i have been getting increasingly frequent telephone spam from electric co., offering to cut my rates in exchange for a (for now, voluntary!) remote disable on my air conditioner compressor. it is hilariously insulting. why won't they just mail me a vial of cyanide, also 'voluntary' ? 1265017;1441598982;asciilifeform;even more electric saving, from it 1265018;1441599037;asciilifeform;i suppose it is not too long to wait, for the northkr-style rolling blackouts 1265019;1441599099;asciilifeform;and for the predictable game of hopscotch through various 'voluntary', 'voluntary-compulsory', finally compulsory belt-tightenings 1265020;1441599153;asciilifeform;'mains power on tuesdays for party members' 1265021;1441599155;mircea_popescu;uh 1265022;1441599157;mircea_popescu;wtf is that lol 1265023;1441599205;mircea_popescu;!s 1265024;1441599206;assbot;47 results for '' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%3CBelxjander%3E 1265025;1441599260;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265005 << forget clerk. a railwayman could ~buy~ a house and support five children on his wages, in '50s. 1265026;1441599260;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 04:00:35; mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial. 1265027;1441599362;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1224008 << l0l! 1265028;1441599362;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 06:58:21; Belxjander: using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche.. 1265029;1441600436;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264735 << also being silly ? i really don't disagree with your assessment of your personal situation at the end of the day. i mean, how could i ? but nor do i share your uniquely russian fatalism. 1265030;1441600436;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 01:55:12; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264479 << holy fuck man what've you been smoking 1265031;1441600484;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264753 << reminds me of 'deco' museum in riga. /me goes digging for pics. 1265032;1441600484;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 02:31:58; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/GIDeo << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like. 1265033;1441600556;pete_dushenski;also of rented apartement in jewish quarter in riga, which had the most beautiful interior staircase with the most divinely baroque wrought iron handrails. 1265034;1441600577;pete_dushenski;derp. s/riga/prague on the 2nd one. 1265035;1441600918;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what were you doing in riga ? 1265036;1441600958;asciilifeform;'Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash, as reported by The New York Times.' << thinking folk don't play lotteries. 1265037;1441600961;asciilifeform;elementary. 1265038;1441601034;asciilifeform;unsurprising that scum wipes his arse with the money. 1265039;1441601047;asciilifeform;(with the enthusiastic help of his 'friends' and family) 1265040;1441601061;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: touring. visited most of latvia and lithuania. just last year in fact. partially documented here http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/12/architecture-in-riga/ 1265041;1441601063;assbot;Architecture in Riga | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLn35Z ) 1265042;1441601069;asciilifeform;ah hm i recall this 1265043;1441601077;asciilifeform;went just for kicks? to eat fine sprats ? 1265044;1441601090;asciilifeform;enjoy classic su atmosphere ? 1265045;1441601128;pete_dushenski;kicks was the intent. fell in love with the food. 1265046;1441601161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00073787 = 11.7321 BTC [-] {2} 1265047;1441601163;pete_dushenski;i'd already been to most of the rest of europe, so baltic was somewhere new 1265048;1441601197;asciilifeform;'William "Bud" Post won $16.2 million in the Pennsylvania lottery in 1988 but was $1 million in debt within a year. "I wish it never happened," Post said. "It was totally a nightmare." A former girlfriend successfully sued him for a share of his winnings and his brother was arrested for hiring a hit man to kill him in the hopes he'd inherit a share of the winnings.' 1265049;1441601203;asciilifeform;^ how the fuck does that even work 1265050;1441601214;asciilifeform;'former girlfriend sued successfully..' 1265051;1441601279;asciilifeform;'Their 14-year marriage was over, a freak fire gutted their house, and every penny of their fortune was gone.' << at least he had the sense to scorched-earth 1265052;1441601290;asciilifeform;rather then letting the vultures get it. 1265053;1441601365;asciilifeform;btw in usa they traditionally hand out the winningz piecemeal, to make sure that the lucky fella doesn't do something That Would Be Wrong like cashing out to btc and sending it all to isis 1265054;1441601394;asciilifeform;or equipping 500 fine young folks with automatic weapons and a reason to live 1265055;1441601466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00073737 = 8.5904 BTC [-] 1265056;1441601526;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265031 << one interesting mega-feature of 'o street' is that you can actually pay to live in it. 1265057;1441601526;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 04:34:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264753 << reminds me of 'deco' museum in riga. /me goes digging for pics. 1265058;1441601531;asciilifeform;unlike most museums 1265059;1441601555;pete_dushenski;by the hour eh 1265060;1441601606;asciilifeform;by the year if you like. 1265061;1441601622;pete_dushenski;neato 1265062;1441601715;asciilifeform;i suspect that the day is not far when lotteries turn into 'lifetime walmart gift card' instead of usd 1265063;1441601744;asciilifeform;prolly after the first winner catching on to algo of 'cash out to btc, brainwallet' 1265064;1441601744;mircea_popescu; unsurprising that scum wipes his arse with the money. << that's one angle, and valid. the other angle, perhaps equally valid, is that prisoner kept in prison since birth has imagination of life outside, is let out, in a world much akin the prison inside, goes berserk. 1265065;1441601746;pete_dushenski;we have '$1k 4 lyf' lotteries here. pretty lulzy 1265066;1441601772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i live in same prison, what of it 1265067;1441601783;asciilifeform;imagination is a thing of the inner world 1265068;1441601791;mircea_popescu;aha 1265069;1441601793;asciilifeform;if you don't have it - you ain't a someone. 1265070;1441601795;asciilifeform;not a person. 1265071;1441601811;asciilifeform;if it were possible to give 20megausd to a dog, what would he do? 1265072;1441601816;asciilifeform;buy a megatonne of kibble ? 1265073;1441601832;asciilifeform;hire squads to collect rotting racoon carcasses from whole city, every day? 1265074;1441601837;mircea_popescu;buy cats, force them to dress as bitches, fuck them ? 1265075;1441601848;asciilifeform;nah that'd be a man. 1265076;1441601850;asciilifeform;with imagination. 1265077;1441601854;mircea_popescu;afaio dogs like to fuck more than to eat. 1265078;1441601864;asciilifeform;aha but are satisfied with chairs, telephone poles 1265079;1441601871;asciilifeform;rather like american consumer. 1265080;1441601879;*;mircea_popescu has observed pitbull kill cat, fuck carcass. 1265081;1441601903;asciilifeform;did other animals queue up ? 1265082;1441601908;asciilifeform;like that sea gull 1265083;1441601908;mircea_popescu;nope 1265084;1441601912;mircea_popescu;lmao 1265085;1441602123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.world-art.ru/lyric/lyric.php?id=14707 << related. 1265086;1441602124;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJSbGr ) 1265087;1441602128;asciilifeform;mega-classic. 1265088;1441602200;asciilifeform;obligatory: 1265089;1441602202;asciilifeform;http://rutube.ru/video/5c999e682aedf4d7f08adebda715433f 1265090;1441602204;assbot;Мультфильм Мультфильм Миллионер — смотрите мультики онлайн бесплатно в хорошем качестве. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJShOj ) 1265091;1441602211;asciilifeform;^ animated version of this poem. 1265092;1441602215;asciilifeform;also mega-classic. 1265093;1441602239;asciilifeform;with english subs! 1265094;1441602547;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1265095;1441602686;*;Vexual cadillac hands, unknowingly 1265096;1441602852;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265062 << thats genius 1265097;1441602852;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 04:55:15; asciilifeform: i suspect that the day is not far when lotteries turn into 'lifetime walmart gift card' instead of usd 1265098;1441603810;pete_dushenski;"Billiards Suite • $4,000/night • sleeps 2 • Our most booked suite! This suite includes exclusive use of the billiards room for 8 hours, plus an adjoining hotel room. This is the most asked for suite in The Mansion for events, as you can sleep (if you choose) or play billiards on a $150,000 classic billiards table." << via o mansion's absurdly bad www 1265099;1441603856;pete_dushenski;;;calc 4000/240 1265100;1441603857;gribble;16.6666666667 1265101;1441603909;pete_dushenski;so a qntra a week basically. hmm. 1265102;1441603954;pete_dushenski;;;calc 109/16.6666666667 1265103;1441603955;gribble;6.53999999999 1265104;1441604002;pete_dushenski;something about turkeys (tm) 1265105;1441604089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12696 @ 0.00072959 = 9.2629 BTC [-] 1265106;1441604499;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/ << such lulzy bets history. 1265107;1441604500;assbot;BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 4.39 B (9%) on Yes, 46.99 B (91%) on No | closing in 18 hours 18 minutes | weight: 3`215 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ArQc ) 1265108;1441604760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073425 = 4.2587 BTC [+] {3} 1265109;1441604821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0007294 = 6.1999 BTC [-] 1265110;1441604825;pete_dushenski;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-TURBO-X50-/221870469237 << air cooled porsche lulz. at $500k, this 18-year-old 911 turbo x50 is pricier than absolutely everything the firm sells today save the 918, which is a 1/918 unit HYPERCAR that retails for $850k 1265111;1441604827;assbot;Porsche 911 Turbo X50 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1XA83kX ) 1265112;1441605570;mats;what does ebays cut look like 1265113;1441605677;pete_dushenski;ebay just sells flat-rate ads. it's paypal i'd worry about. 1265114;1441605690;mats;looks like 2.9% 1265115;1441605698;mats;jesus l0l 1265116;1441605699;*;pete_dushenski cannot imagine $500k pp transfer 1265117;1441605731;pete_dushenski;i imagine a wire transfer would be the only reasonable course of action here 1265118;1441605761;mats;15k for flipping a buncha bits in a db 1265119;1441605791;mats;what a robbery 1265120;1441605907;pete_dushenski;ya, makes remittances look cheap. so where's the fat rich white guy sitting in his newoldporsche on the phoundation's website ? 1265121;1441606050;mats;hes on the casting couch holding the cam for that woman in front of the whiteboard 1265122;1441608484;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/VIwv3Qf.png << Advertisements for xt now in the bitcoin subreddit 1265123;1441608952;deedbot-;[Qntra] Mozilla Vulnerability Hoard Compromised For a Year - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mozilla-vulnerability-hoard-compromised-for-a-year/ 1265124;1441608968;davout;thestringpuller: haha such nice troll 1265125;1441609762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0007294 = 5.6164 BTC [-] 1265126;1441610128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00073751 = 15.6352 BTC [+] {3} 1265127;1441610799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00073073 = 3.544 BTC [-] 1265128;1441610982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00073585 = 14.4595 BTC [+] {4} 1265129;1441611653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14963 @ 0.00072879 = 10.9049 BTC [-] {3} 1265130;1441612903;mircea_popescu;lol win. 1265131;1441613513;punkman;pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. << ebay still takes 10% fee on final price (up to $1k or something). and that's before paypal fees. not for cars though. 1265132;1441613578;punkman;which is why I sometimes find sellers website/email and transact away from ebay 1265133;1441613725;punkman;for a while you'd see items priced $0.1 and rest of price in shipping costs, which worked to minimize fees. 1265134;1441614331;punkman;new Firefox feature on new tab page http://i.imgur.com/A9Ngwxw.png 1265135;1441614332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LT1iUW ) 1265136;1441615252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8960 @ 0.00073347 = 6.5719 BTC [+] {3} 1265137;1441618895;punkman;http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/ 1265138;1441618897;assbot;A history of modern init systems (1992-2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkWpqH ) 1265139;1441618973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00073129 = 7.642 BTC [-] {2} 1265140;1441619214;punkman;http://www.archdaily.com/395363/india-s-forgotten-stepwells 1265141;1441619215;assbot;India's Forgotten Stepwells | ArchDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOgwKb ) 1265142;1441620132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00073129 = 9.5799 BTC [-] 1265143;1441620559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073459 = 7.199 BTC [+] 1265144;1441620673;punkman;http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/unhackable-version-of-windows-built-by-israeli-security-company.html 1265145;1441620676;assbot;Unhackable Version of Windows Built By Israeli Security Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOjEWc ) 1265146;1441620765;mircea_popescu;lolrly 1265147;1441620803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00073129 = 7.8248 BTC [-] 1265148;1441622105;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265113 <<< can buy porsche with paypal account? i'll take 10! 1265149;1441622105;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 06:01:17; pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. it's paypal i'd worry about. 1265150;1441623060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073459 = 2.2038 BTC [+] 1265151;1441624079;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265145 <<< This I got to see. Thanks jooz for the morning lulz. 1265152;1441624079;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 10:11:16; assbot: Unhackable Version of Windows Built By Israeli Security Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOjEWc ) 1265153;1441624402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14089 @ 0.00073811 = 10.3992 BTC [+] 1265154;1441625317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.0007313 = 18.4288 BTC [-] {3} 1265155;1441625439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21167 @ 0.0007298 = 15.4477 BTC [-] {4} 1265156;1441625651;mircea_popescu;oh for crying out loud. 1265157;1441625661;mircea_popescu;;;later tell Belxjander you haven't actually fixed your connection. 1265158;1441625661;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265159;1441625988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4033 @ 0.00072695 = 2.9318 BTC [-] 1265160;1441628176;shinohai;Did that n6 guy who was trying to build gentoo and get in wot ever come back with a new name? 1265161;1441628672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7080 @ 0.00073918 = 5.2334 BTC [+] {3} 1265162;1441628781;danielpbarron;shinohai, yes and he's a Eulora player now 1265163;1441628991;shinohai;Oh cool danielpbarron glad he got up and running finally 1265164;1441629892;punkman;http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/09/navy-cyber-sailors-notional-computers/ 1265165;1441629894;assbot;Fleet Cyber Sailors Train On 'Notional Computers' ... ( http://bit.ly/1EN9DcR ) 1265166;1441630280;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264466 <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home? 1265167;1441630280;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 22:29:25; trinque: or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart? 1265168;1441630336;funkenstein_;For a prompt to imagine how this might work, see "Accelerondo" - Charles Stross (megabook) 1265169;1441630340;jurov;are dns samples "cultural exchange"? 1265170;1441630342;jurov;*dna 1265171;1441630359;kakobrekla;only if the impregnate you 1265172;1441630361;funkenstein_;yes any program 1265173;1441630362;kakobrekla;they 1265174;1441630406;funkenstein_;haha :) 1265175;1441630429;punkman;funkenstein_: maybe cultural exchange will involve getting fucked by tentacles for the next 10,000 years 1265176;1441630433;funkenstein_;as to whether the defenseless, or any item at all, has value- see open market for that 1265177;1441630455;funkenstein_;if you don't see the value: resell 1265178;1441630511;punkman;then http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth >> and now http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6835 1265179;1441630512;assbot;ESR Writes on "Surprised By Wealth" - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcd2q ) 1265180;1441630515;assbot;I have a Patreon page ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcaDY ) 1265181;1441630522;funkenstein_;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8 1265182;1441630523;assbot;dpaste: 3BKKJB8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcceY ) 1265183;1441630523;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1265184;1441630560;funkenstein_;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8 1265185;1441630562;assbot;dpaste: 3BKKJB8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcceY ) 1265186;1441630562;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1265187;1441630587;kakobrekla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt 1265188;1441630588;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcrXA ) 1265189;1441630589;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1265190;1441630593;kakobrekla;see 1265191;1441630629;kakobrekla;imp0st0r! 1265192;1441630636;funkenstein_;lol 1265193;1441630762;funkenstein_;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt 1265194;1441630763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcrXA ) 1265195;1441630764;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1265196;1441630824;jurov;wtf did i read 1265197;1441631167;funkenstein_;a proof that something has value is an offer to pay for said thing 1265198;1441631184;punkman;what's the thing, arawak slavegirls? 1265199;1441631296;funkenstein_;what am i doing wrong with the deedbot? 1265200;1441631342;kakobrekla;looks like it either the key or the message 1265201;1441631671;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/gWst8Wp.jpg 1265202;1441631672;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENhd7t ) 1265203;1441632393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3379 @ 0.0007372 = 2.491 BTC [-] {2} 1265204;1441633003;funkenstein_;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3X4MQ12.txt 1265205;1441633004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENmwDI ) 1265206;1441633005;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1265207;1441634162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10918 @ 0.00072775 = 7.9456 BTC [-] 1265208;1441634375;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu reboot system boot 2.6.32-431.el6.x Mon Sep 7 00:30 - 10:01 (09:31) AND reboot system boot 2.6.32-431.el6.x Mon Sep 7 08:44 - 10:01 (01:17) ---- TWICE 1265209;1441634376;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265210;1441634584;asciilifeform;TWICE, MOTHERFUCKERS 1265211;1441634816;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu that box is a titanic disgrace not only to s.nsa, but bisp. every penny you pay for it is a penny given to a scammer who is laughing at us 1265212;1441634817;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265213;1441634941;*;shinohai weeps for the loss of phuctor, hopes the perps responsible reap karma. 1265214;1441635548;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu WITH MULTI-HOUR DOWN TIMES 1265215;1441635549;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265216;1441635566;asciilifeform;a little bird held that power switch down, aha 1265217;1441635570;asciilifeform;fucking cosmic rays, aha 1265218;1441635638;fluffypony;I had a box at a DC that rebooted every few hours 1265219;1441635655;fluffypony;I reported it as a hardware error 4 times, they kept telling me it can't be, it must be my configuration 1265220;1441635671;fluffypony;so I dropped them and moved to a different host 1265221;1441635676;fluffypony;haven't had a reboot since 1265222;1441635691;asciilifeform;fluffypony: i have a box in an american dc with ~6+ year uptime. 1265223;1441635696;asciilifeform;this is NORMAL 1265224;1441635727;fluffypony;yup 1265225;1441635754;shinohai;I am of the mind this isn't pure technical gremlins at work, considering the project. 1265226;1441635766;asciilifeform;no shit. 1265227;1441635795;asciilifeform;i will also note that i know a fella with a box shelved right next to mine (diametric) and his has not gone down even once. 1265228;1441635872;pete_dushenski;"China's foreign currency reserves shrunk by $93.9 billion to hit $3.56 trillion at August-end, the largest monthly drop on record, according to reports." 1265229;1441635924;pete_dushenski;"PBOC had stepped up its foreign exchange intervention to $122 billion in August from about $50 billion in July." 1265230;1441636111;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265131 << huh. this i did not know. crazy. 1265231;1441636111;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 08:11:53; punkman: pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. << ebay still takes 10% fee on final price (up to $1k or something). and that's before paypal fees. not for cars though. 1265232;1441636141;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265148 << can buy anything with paypal ! it's like money for the internet ! 1265233;1441636141;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 10:35:05; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265113 <<< can buy porsche with paypal account? i'll take 10! 1265234;1441636175;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265151 << coming to a bank branch near you. 1265235;1441636175;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 11:07:59; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265145 <<< This I got to see. Thanks jooz for the morning lulz. 1265236;1441636298;shinohai;I must obtain a copy of this unhackable windows, otherwise it is as mythical as North Korean unicorns to me. 1265237;1441636327;pete_dushenski;"“Sailors kept downloading terabyte upon terabyte of porn, often filled with malware,” he added. “One sailor even managed to get his ‘harpoon’ stuck in a USB port.”" 1265238;1441636344;pete_dushenski;shinohai: unhackable winbloze is as much of a joke as ^ 1265239;1441636369;pete_dushenski;“We are confident that NOTs will mold our sailors into cyber warriors,” Turing asserted. “By using their imaginations, we can train them on state of the art or next gen systems right away.” “It’s a whole lot better than the Windows 3.1 systems we actually have,” Turing added. “That’s for darn sure.” 1265240;1441636406;shinohai;Harpoon in USB port LOLZ 1265241;1441636422;pete_dushenski;ok 'duffelblog' ain't half bad 1265242;1441636427;pete_dushenski;nice find, punkman 1265243;1441636451;pete_dushenski;"For Sale: AGM-114K Hellfire Missile, Slightly Damaged. Asking $1000 OBO. Location: Fort Drum, NY" 1265244;1441636460;pete_dushenski;"Lockheed Upbeat Despite F-35 Losing Dogfight To Red Baron" 1265245;1441636479;pete_dushenski;"REPORT: Female Ranger Grads Going To Crush So Much Fucking Pussy This Weekend" 1265246;1441636508;pete_dushenski;"Odierno: Taco Tuesday Only Thing Holding This Damn Country Together" 1265247;1441636513;pete_dushenski;http://www.duffelblog.com/ 1265248;1441636515;assbot;Duffel Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1XBOubO ) 1265249;1441636548;shinohai;I know I am a heartless bastard but this makes me laff: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11509101&ref=NZH_FBpage 1265250;1441636550;assbot;The big passport scam: Pakistanis dumping IDs to become Syrian - World - NZ Herald News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XBOFnz ) 1265251;1441636607;*;shinohai starts selling Syrian passports for BTC 1265252;1441636733;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265204 << dude, funkenstein_, sometimes you make no goddam sense. mebbe i'm an idiot and i cannot grasp the heights of your insight, but it seems altogether more like that you've got a bad case of shannonitis. 1265253;1441636733;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 13:36:43; funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3X4MQ12.txt 1265254;1441636751;pete_dushenski;!s shannoniser 1265255;1441636752;assbot;0 results for 'shannoniser' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shannoniser 1265256;1441636763;asciilifeform;!s shannonizer 1265257;1441636764;assbot;28 results for 'shannonizer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shannonizer 1265258;1441636772;pete_dushenski;aha 1265259;1441636803;pete_dushenski;;;google site:trilema.com shannonizer 1265260;1441636804;gribble;Racists and the racist idea on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Look what the spam dragged in! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Causes and purposes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: 1265261;1441636908;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265249 << related >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/09/eventual-consequences.html 1265262;1441636908;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 14:35:48; shinohai: I know I am a heartless bastard but this makes me laff: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11509101&ref=NZH_FBpage 1265263;1441636911;assbot;ClubOrlov: Eventual Consequences ... ( http://bit.ly/1XBQtNj ) 1265264;1441636935;asciilifeform;'For example, there is the refugee problem, which seems to be affecting all the countries that bombed, invaded or otherwise disrupted the countries that are now causing the refugee crisis. It never seemed to dawn on the highly compensated eurocratic morons that helping the US empire to destroy Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen, and sow chaos all over the Middle East would result in a torrent of humans deluging their sh 1265265;1441636935;asciilifeform;ores. And now they are reduced to explaining at the top of their lungs how the refugee crisis has nothing at all to do with their foreign policy.' 1265266;1441637215;shinohai;Ah! Very good post, and true. Yet no one sees this as consequence. 1265267;1441637699;pete_dushenski;"no one could've predicted a plane being used like a bomb" 1265268;1441638259;pete_dushenski;"A man sexually harassed by his boss at a Wellington hostel has been awarded more than $35,000 after being sacked for complaining about the treatment." 1265269;1441638268;pete_dushenski;"Mr Singh said Mr NarayaNasamy, also known as Robbie Nara, sexually harassed him by sending him explicit text messages, including one produced during the ERA hearing that said "I need to have sexs with u soon"." 1265270;1441638672;shinohai;"I need to have buttsecks with u soon." 1265271;1441638814;pete_dushenski;"-love, the guy who signs your paychecks" 1265272;1441639252;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: my blog is getting there. almost ready to be seen by da public. 1265273;1441639262;pete_dushenski;respek 1265274;1441639262;thestringpuller;There will be a big shoutout to you there. 1265275;1441639281;pete_dushenski;:D 1265276;1441639282;thestringpuller;"This goes out to the guy with the Jew fro" then you have to distinguish between you and ben_vulp` 1265277;1441639625;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: my friend showed me a video from jay lenos garage, in particular this hot rod that was built froma 12 cylinder tank engine. 1265278;1441639743;pete_dushenski;car design used to be very much an art form 1265279;1441639774;pete_dushenski;and there was much more cross-over between car design and military equipment design 1265280;1441639802;pete_dushenski;so tanks, airplanes had more influence over cars, particularly the racing sort 1265281;1441639864;pete_dushenski;this was true as far back as voisin and citroen. google andre lefebvre sometime. guy was a crossover genius. 1265282;1441639897;pete_dushenski;mercedes' domination of f1 in the 1950s was also a result of their ww2 airplane prowess 1265283;1441639924;pete_dushenski;today, of course, cars are a cross between dishwashers and smartphonez 1265284;1441640031;pete_dushenski;http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/photo_04-09-2015_13_22_48.jpg?itok=fjZdkrJk << 1912 lorrain dietrich 'vieux charles iii' with 15.1L four-banger 1265285;1441640032;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXKiA6 ) 1265286;1441640083;pete_dushenski;http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-concours-elegance/2015-concours-elegance-show-report-and-gallery << moar obscure and fascinating old metal from days gone by. 1265287;1441640084;assbot;2015 Concours of Elegance show report and gallery | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXKtLA ) 1265288;1441640145;pete_dushenski;http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/photo_05-09-2015_15_55_21.jpg?itok=yeUFIKLx << Delahaye Type 165 Touring Cabriolet commissioned by the French government, from the days when gov knew how to spend money. 1265289;1441640146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXKzmA ) 1265290;1441640167;pete_dushenski;http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/photo_05-09-2015_15_55_08.jpg?itok=6g3zyqJP << same delahaye 1265291;1441640168;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP1unb ) 1265292;1441640235;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blastolene_Special << this is the car I was shown 1265293;1441640253;pete_dushenski;obscenely regal proportions on that thing. 'pontoon fenders' doesn't begin to describe that delahaye. and those running boards ! 1265294;1441640284;shinohai;Gawd that is a sexy automobile 1265295;1441640289;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: omgerd that's insane. 1265296;1441640403;pete_dushenski;http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/international-automotive-scene/528091d1302166419-hot-rod-devils-blastolene-brothers-02_lenotankcar.jpg << leno + blastolene special at what appears to be pebble beach concours 1265297;1441640405;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXL1Bc ) 1265298;1441640495;thestringpuller;yea that's the one. thing is huge as fuck. 1265299;1441640524;thestringpuller;i love the 12 cylinders. 2 gallons to the mile!!! jkjk 1265300;1441640548;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2012/5/6/Jay-Leno-Reveals-1000hp-1975-Custom-Plymouth-Duster-7708686/ << this is the other car we were watching stories about last night 1265301;1441640579;shinohai;Is China srsly trying to blow itself up? http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/blast-reported-at-chemical-plant-in-eastern-china 1265302;1441640581;assbot;Blast reported at chemical plant in eastern China, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXLhAe ) 1265303;1441640698;pete_dushenski;shinohai: china's not that monolithic 1265304;1441640707;pete_dushenski;what 'self' ? 1265305;1441640779;pete_dushenski;there's internal turmoil, certainly in northwest where teh islamists reside. so 'accidents' can happen, but then again so too can accidents 1265306;1441640830;pete_dushenski;sometimes there are patterns, sometimes mere coincidence and the actual reporting of otherwise hush-hush events make it appear as if there are patterns 1265307;1441640900;shinohai;Oh yeah, I am sure there are lots of "accidents" that never make the media. 1265308;1441640917;trinque;;;later tell funkenstein_ feed it your pubkey as ascii-armor first 1265309;1441640917;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265310;1441640951;trinque;I can sync them from assbot only if they're on SKS, and that one didn't appear to be, unless I'm coffee-deficient at the moment 1265311;1441640993;trinque;I also have no fucking idea what I read. 1265312;1441641004;punkman;trinque: but assbot gets them from SKS 1265313;1441641055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00073857 = 12.7034 BTC [+] 1265314;1441641090;trinque;punkman: yeah I'm telling him to either upload the key or feed it directly into deedbot- 1265315;1441642092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0007392 = 3.8808 BTC [+] {3} 1265316;1441642353;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8l11q9hsJM << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.” 1265317;1441642354;assbot;EB94 – Gavin Andresen: On The Blocksize And Bitcoin's Governance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNigAV ) 1265318;1441642412;pete_dushenski;“If you go back in time, it was simple. It was whatever Satoshi decided.” 1265319;1441642433;pete_dushenski;still simple today, gavin. b-a decideth. 1265320;1441642552;*;pete_dushenski doesn't recommend wasting 80 mins of precious life watching gavin derp on podcast. just for historical reference and record. 1265321;1441643251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3968 @ 0.00073283 = 2.9079 BTC [-] 1265322;1441643787;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: photos? 1265323;1441644227;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264747 << forbidden city 1265324;1441644227;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 02:04:29; *: asciilifeform in zombie city 1265325;1441644237;ben_vulpes;aok found photos 1265326;1441644397;ben_vulpes;omg the unrelenting stream of kitsch 1265327;1441644593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00073227 = 6.6637 BTC [-] 1265328;1441645081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14862 @ 0.0007311 = 10.8656 BTC [-] {5} 1265329;1441645386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00072774 = 4.512 BTC [-] 1265330;1441645447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00073296 = 4.3245 BTC [+] {3} 1265331;1441645773;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1265332;1441645846;ascii_field;re: shannonitis: https://www.amazon.com/review/R1LQTXOW0OMON/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv 1265333;1441645848;assbot;Amazon.com: John Young "Cryptome"'s review of Purity: A Novel ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPdvJB ) 1265334;1441645890;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265301 << ahahahaha cosmic rayz!!! 1265335;1441645890;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 15:42:59; shinohai: Is China srsly trying to blow itself up? http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/blast-reported-at-chemical-plant-in-eastern-china 1265336;1441645902;ascii_field;'he ran into my knife! he ran into my knife, TEN TIMES!!' 1265337;1441645905;ascii_field;(tm) (r) 1265338;1441645923;ascii_field;this was what, 5th in 3 weeks ? 1265339;1441645928;ascii_field;kosmik rayz. 1265340;1441645993;ascii_field;'blow itself up' my shiny metal arse. 1265341;1441646037;BingoBoingo;'INsert Girder' 1265342;1441646044;punkman;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again 1265343;1441646050;assbot;How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and Make Software Trustworthy Again | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPdYLP ) 1265344;1441646090;ascii_field;punkman: what, you thought #b-a was exempt from embrace&extenduish ? 1265345;1441646101;ascii_field;'Reproducible builds are already a staple of Bitcoin and the Tor Project.' << ahahahahahahaha 1265346;1441646105;ascii_field;bitcoin. 1265347;1441646108;punkman;yep 1265348;1441646116;punkman;that line caught my eye 1265349;1441646116;ascii_field;carefully avoiding to mention ~which~ bitcoin 1265350;1441646142;punkman;also I have serious doubts re: "According to Lunar, 83 percent of Debian packages are now built reproducibly, and more join the party every day." 1265351;1441646160;ascii_field;'Diverse Double-Compiling' << little problem here. THERE IS ONLY ONE C COMPILER worth a cow's fart 1265352;1441646179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00072638 = 34.4304 BTC [-] {5} 1265353;1441646238;ascii_field;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-security-experts-are-using-an-ancient-email-format-in-2015 << related 1265354;1441646239;assbot;Why Security Experts Are Using an Ancient Email Format in 2015 | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPeoll ) 1265355;1441646246;ascii_field;'"Just because I use mutt doesn't mean I enjoy it," he wrote in an email. "I hate it. I wish there were something better, but I've not found it yet."' 1265356;1441646890;pete_dushenski;http://gizmodo.com/ashley-madison-code-shows-more-women-and-more-bots-1727613924 << botlulz 1265357;1441646890;assbot;Ashley Madison Code Shows More Women, and More Bots ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPfm0P ) 1265358;1441646899;pete_dushenski;'in the database dump from Impact Team, all we can see is the ample evidence that male users were contacted by bots pretty much constantly. Those data fields tell us that 20 million men out of 31 million received bot mail, and about 11 million of them were chatted up by an automated “engager.”' 1265359;1441646968;pete_dushenski;apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam 1265360;1441646984;pete_dushenski;no one wanted to have affairs, just to ~feel~ like they might possibly consider it. 1265361;1441647004;pete_dushenski;be a secret agent, use pgp (tm) 1265362;1441647033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15742 @ 0.00072526 = 11.417 BTC [-] {2} 1265363;1441647212;pete_dushenski;"Once the man struck up a conversation, the bot would say things like this: "Hmmmm, when I was younger I used to sleep with my friend’s boyfriends. I guess old habits die hard although I could never sleep with their husbands." and "I’m sexy, discreet, and always up for kinky chat. Would also meet up in person if we get to know each other and think there might be a good connection. Does this sound intriguing? 1265364;1441647212;pete_dushenski;” It’s unclear what else the engager would say—either the bots really are this simple, or further chat phrases weren’t in the code. Most likely, based on what I saw from other bot code, the bot would urge the man to pay credits to talk further." 1265365;1441647266;ascii_field;snore. orlovian deer/hunter symbiosis. 1265366;1441647275;ascii_field;these schmucks ~demanded~ to be scammed. 1265367;1441647276;punkman;"really are this simple" yeah you don't need more than that 1265368;1441647346;ascii_field;the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies. 1265369;1441647362;ascii_field;it is a crown concession, like petro-drilling the coast 1265370;1441647364;pete_dushenski;was xtian church before them 1265371;1441647396;punkman;ashleymadison is a crown concession? 1265372;1441647435;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264646 << see thread 1265373;1441647435;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia. 1265374;1441647525;pete_dushenski;'usg "hires" you to lap up the welfare faucet drippings.' 1265375;1441647553;pete_dushenski;ok mebbe that's not the most relevant thread... 1265376;1441647599;pete_dushenski;punkman: in any event, argument being, there's no u.s. anything without crown say-so 1265377;1441647642;punkman;pete_dushenski: I don't buy that the crown has any control whatsoever against the botmasters 1265378;1441647671;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1265379;1441647701;ascii_field;punkman: it was a multimillion above-board corp. with legal team, almost-ipo, etc 1265380;1441647712;ascii_field;you don't get to be that in usa without some apparatchik support. 1265381;1441647724;pete_dushenski;punkman: doesn't have to be direct string-pulling, can be 2nd, 3rd order 1265382;1441647747;ascii_field;or the first patent troll who comes along will eat you for lunch. or ceo busted for 'irregularities' of which every man on u.s. soil who ever so much as smelled a seven-figure sum is guilty as all hell; etc 1265383;1441647767;pete_dushenski;not like obama has time between youtube videos with 'viral stars' to write scripts for ashmad bots 1265384;1441647804;fluffypony;damn the Chinese are getting desperate for profit: http://shanghaiist.com/2015/09/06/fake_paper_rice.php 1265385;1441647805;assbot;Fake rice made with paper found in Guangdong: Shanghaiist ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPh2HQ ) 1265386;1441647871;ascii_field;'Earlier this year, reports emerged about plastic rice sold on the Chinese market making its way across Asia. This fake rice was a more edible-sounding mix of potatoes, sweet potatoes and delicious synthetic resin. According to Oryza.com, plastic-tainted rice grains remain hard after being boiled, and the soup made by it forms a very unappetizing plastic sheath 'that burns like plastic' when heated up.' 1265387;1441647876;ascii_field;pure gold. 1265388;1441647912;pete_dushenski;gnarly 1265389;1441648055;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265007 << see also. 1265390;1441648055;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 04:00:49; mircea_popescu: but that's all gone now. people aren't willing to kill each other so they'll get packed. 1265391;1441648155;punkman;ascii_field: I meant the non-US botmasters, ashleymadison sure, just like any other US corp 1265392;1441648183;ascii_field;poor cn orcs haven't had their buffett and wrigley's corp. yet, have not invented reasonably food-like industrial waste, yet. 1265393;1441648190;ascii_field;give'em time. 1265394;1441648272;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265178 << how much of that 36M did he ever really take home ? 1265395;1441648272;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 12:55:11; punkman: then http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth >> and now http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6835 1265396;1441648309;*;ascii_field has seen esr in the flesh on several occasions, and the man is an INSUFFERABLE braggart and confabulator 1265397;1441648318;ascii_field;but money was never one of the things he bragged of. 1265398;1441648472;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: did you two chat or just 'see across room' 1265399;1441648500;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: just heard him talk 1265400;1441648531;ascii_field;i personally have nothing to say to him. 1265401;1441648590;pete_dushenski;fair 'nuff 1265402;1441648985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00073529 = 8.6029 BTC [+] 1265403;1441649046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00072474 = 16.5603 BTC [-] {3} 1265404;1441649161;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: by the time esr could legally sell his shares in 'lnux' (june 2000), the share price had tanked from $240 at end of ipo day to ~$40. 1265405;1441649174;pete_dushenski;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geeknet#/media/File:LNUX.png 1265406;1441649175;assbot;Geeknet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOyEEA ) 1265407;1441649177;ascii_field;that's still a few M 1265408;1441649182;ascii_field;where did it go ? 1265409;1441649191;pete_dushenski;twas 15 years ago... 1265410;1441649202;pete_dushenski;of living in usistan 1265411;1441649207;ascii_field;so? 1265412;1441649243;pete_dushenski;;;calc 240/40*36000000 1265413;1441649244;gribble;216000000 1265414;1441649272;ascii_field;?? 1265415;1441649281;ascii_field;you prolly meant, 1265416;1441649290;ascii_field;;;calc 40/240*36000000 1265417;1441649290;gribble;6000000 1265418;1441649300;pete_dushenski;quite 1265419;1441649321;pete_dushenski;;;calc 6000000/15 1265420;1441649322;gribble;400000 1265421;1441649372;pete_dushenski;i dunno what to say, the guy's not a money manager 1265422;1441649379;ascii_field;to put it mildly. 1265423;1441649386;pete_dushenski;him and every other lottery winner/pro athlete 1265424;1441649394;ascii_field;but i think most folks could avoid bleeding 400K/yr out of their arse 1265425;1441649397;ascii_field;without really trying 1265426;1441649431;pete_dushenski;most folks ? haha. hardly. 1265427;1441649433;ascii_field;the most likely thing is that the man INVESTED!!1111!!111 it 1265428;1441649440;trinque;ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding. 1265429;1441649442;ascii_field;like most of the early btc holders did 1265430;1441649458;ascii_field;trinque: make sure to also buy v14gr4!!!11 from them 1265431;1441649476;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: because what else ? take little, regular sips from pool 1265432;1441649476;trinque;lol, no kidding 1265433;1441649479;trinque;!up ascii_field 1265434;1441649480;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1265435;1441649485;ascii_field;and to ransom their lost prince. 1265436;1441649496;trinque;maybe I can get someone to tie a laptop to his scrotum 1265437;1441649509;ascii_field;no deal until tied. 1265438;1441649519;ascii_field;elementary. 1265439;1441649522;pete_dushenski;trinque: try eth long guy from denmark or w/e 1265440;1441649595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00072442 = 9.6348 BTC [-] {2} 1265441;1441649603;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: the point being, most people haven't the foggiest clue how to make a dime last a day, much less how to turn it into 15c. 1265442;1441649613;ascii_field;terrible example 1265443;1441649637;pete_dushenski;mkay do better 1265444;1441649643;mats;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34173544 1265445;1441649645;assbot;Yemen crisis: Qatar 'deploys 1,000 troops' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNzG0o ) 1265446;1441649645;trinque;"commence payments" sold my email to pantera 1265447;1441649659;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: see my ancient review of mpex for instance. 1265448;1441649661;trinque;me.commence@domain.org 1265449;1441649681;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: are you saying you're 'most people' now ? 1265450;1441649684;ascii_field;it is not hard to turn 100K into 200K 1265451;1441649694;ascii_field;but quite impossible to turn 10c into 20c. 1265452;1441649712;ascii_field;especially and particularly if you need 9 of the 10 cents to make rent. 1265453;1441649812;pete_dushenski;aha. very reasonable counter-point. but my original point still stands because you're changing the premises now. esr didn't have 10c and need 9 to make rent, same for lottery/athletics winners. they had millions and failed to turn it into anything other than heartache and dust 1265454;1441649819;shinohai;So I will take the remaining 1c and turn it into twopence 1265455;1441649834;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: aha, i personally have no idea what he did with it. perhaps he sent it to nigeria. 1265456;1441649850;ascii_field;or invested in best phriend's 'sure to make megabux!!11!!11' sv idiocy 1265457;1441649855;ascii_field;(but i repeat myself) 1265458;1441649887;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: so maybe it's 'not hard' to turn xxxxxx into 2xxxxxx for you or i, but there's a mountain of evidence to suggest that this is a reasonably rare skillset 1265459;1441649908;pete_dushenski;which pretty much sums up http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/01/american-social-mobility-is-really-just-luck-says-data/ 1265460;1441649910;assbot;American “social mobility” is really just luck, says data. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNArGT ) 1265461;1441649927;ascii_field;at the very least, it is not hard to still have the 100k at the end of the day 1265462;1441649939;ascii_field;this merely requires doing nothing. 1265463;1441649952;BingoBoingo;But ESR has(had?) wife 1265464;1441649962;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: doing nothing is the hardest ! 1265465;1441649972;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: fuck knows, maybe paid for cunt transplant or what 1265466;1441649989;BingoBoingo;Still wife is a money leak. 1265467;1441649993;ascii_field;why? 1265468;1441650011;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: as to esr's 100k, to quote "Yes, we do have some savings and stock. No, I don’t want to tap them, because thank you I do not want to be on the dole or dead of starvation and exposure when I’m really old. " 1265469;1441650024;pete_dushenski;prolly 100k in there if not more 1265470;1441650059;pete_dushenski;" It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link 1265471;1441650062;ascii_field;1) out of what, 6m 2) likely denominated in usg junk 1265472;1441650083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00073529 = 2.6838 BTC [+] 1265473;1441650103;pete_dushenski;1) this is average roi for 'make money while you sleep' 2) what else ? 1265474;1441650143;ascii_field;i must echo the canonical http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-07-2015#1218232 1265475;1441650143;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 15:37:38; mircea_popescu: i don't solve problems. i just throw away other people's solutions. 1265476;1441650184;ascii_field;i for one sincerely hope that esr lives long enough to starve; and that i live long enough to watch. 1265477;1441650290;*;ben_vulpes will someday wear esrs mantle of "attached self to prominent open source project" 1265478;1441650298;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COUFQRgVAAIx8mH.png << highest 1 bedroom median rents in usistan 1265479;1441650299;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNBtCM ) 1265480;1441650310;pete_dushenski;^ you're only in 5th, ascii_field 1265481;1441650332;ascii_field;esr is an especially noxious worm for having the temerity to pretend that his career owes nothing to usg 1265482;1441650335;pete_dushenski;not that $2,110/mo isn't still obscene 1265483;1441650356;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i don't live in the dc city walls properly speaking 1265484;1441650365;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: but in nearly p.g. county, md 1265485;1441650369;ascii_field;*nearby 1265486;1441650371;pete_dushenski;right, '2 hour drive' 1265487;1441650396;ascii_field;1-2 hr to montgomery county 1265488;1441650415;ascii_field;generally i stay out of dc other than to see museums and miscellaneous oddities 1265489;1441650513;pete_dushenski;i need to make my way to dc's museums one of these years. 1265490;1441650563;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: highly recommended. so long as you stay out of the 'modern art' claptrap pits, you will see 'america as it once was' 1265491;1441650640;ascii_field;see the goodies before they get mysteriously desaparecido'd (sold for hard currency to cn) 1265492;1441650700;pete_dushenski;http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/07/1535221/why-biking-injuries-and-deaths-are-spiking-in-the-us << heh. can't afford cars so taking bicycles. 'researchers' blame 'lance armstrong effect' 1265493;1441650702;assbot;Why Biking Injuries and Deaths Are Spiking In the US - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNCpa2 ) 1265494;1441650737;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: i can travel to china just as well, but dc is marginally more convenient. for now. 1265495;1441650783;ben_vulpes;cn? hard currency? 1265496;1441650804;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: why do you assume that the buyer will exhibit the goods ? 1265497;1441650809;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: for food, if you like. 1265498;1441650844;*;pete_dushenski checks yeg to bwi. $376 round trip with stop-over in ord. 1265499;1441650900;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: posterity ? 1265500;1441650922;ascii_field;l0l 1265501;1441650927;pete_dushenski;plaque reading 'on generous loan from his greatness xixixi' 1265502;1441650942;pete_dushenski;same as row 1265503;1441650961;pete_dushenski;this custom doesn't translate ? 1265504;1441650963;ascii_field;the land of plastic rice gives a fuck about 'posterity' like a dog about beets. 1265505;1441650989;pete_dushenski;hey, maybe beets are fuckable. 1265506;1441651016;punkman;only if cook them 1265507;1441651328;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1265508;1441651425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00073699 = 14.8135 BTC [+] {4} 1265509;1441651852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0007384 = 7.827 BTC [+] {3} 1265510;1441654475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00073329 = 11.476 BTC [-] {3} 1265511;1441654785;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1265512;1441654790;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/feds-cyberbullying-reverses-cops-convictions-for-shooting-unarmed-people << lulzy 1265513;1441654792;assbot;Feds’ cyberbullying reverses cops’ convictions for shooting unarmed people | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6xN4O ) 1265514;1441654808;ascii_field;'In the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina back in 2005, five former New Orleans police officers were sentenced to six to 65 years in prison in connection to on-the-job deadly shootings of unarmed civilians. But recently, these five officers had their convictions set aside by a federal appeals court. Why? Federal prosecutors' anonymous online comments posted underneath local news accounts of the officers' ongoing 1265515;1441654808;ascii_field;2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.' 1265516;1441655094;pete_dushenski;this is like saying that fair trials aren't possible because putin ate a ham&cheese croissant for breakfast. 1265517;1441655110;pete_dushenski;i seriously don't understand this shit. 1265518;1441655126;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: summary is, usg does whatever the fuck it wants 1265519;1441655151;pete_dushenski;guess so eh 1265520;1441655162;pete_dushenski;at least as far as prosecuting itself goes 1265521;1441655207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00073872 = 10.9331 BTC [+] {3} 1265522;1441655241;ascii_field;as for turning those cops loose, it is part of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259456 campaign. 1265523;1441655241;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule. 1265524;1441655293;mats;i have yet to read about guardsmen shooting looters during katrina in the news 1265525;1441655301;jurov;thestringpuller: mats: pete_dushenski: trinque: BingoBoingo: etc. coinbr back up, monthly fee for august waived 1265526;1441655305;mats;and i know for a fact this happened 1265527;1441655316;pete_dushenski;jurov: cheers ! 1265528;1441655336;mats;excellent 1265529;1441655338;ascii_field;mats: you also will not often read about orcs shooting at ambulances during katrina. which also happened. 1265530;1441655346;BingoBoingo;Congrats jurov 1265531;1441655390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5500 @ 0.00040427 = 2.2235 BTC [+] 1265532;1441655512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5892 @ 0.0007312 = 4.3082 BTC [-] 1265533;1441655527;kakobrekla;so, i discovered a recipe for healthy teeth. 1265534;1441655542;kakobrekla;find yourself a hot dentist. 1265535;1441655565;pete_dushenski;this is news ? 1265536;1441655580;mats;ascii_field: understand, this invokes memories of 'kent state' and the usual fears of us .mil operating domestically 1265537;1441655582;kakobrekla;news to me! 1265538;1441655585;*;pete_dushenski has had hot dentist for better part of a decade 1265539;1441655597;pete_dushenski;tall, blonde, young... 1265540;1441655601;kakobrekla;aha 1265541;1441655627;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla still, wd ! 1265542;1441655728;kakobrekla;until now i was always serviced by men. what a mistakea to makea. 1265543;1441655776;pete_dushenski;men for ortho, womenz for regular dentistry is best balance in my experience 1265544;1441655818;*;pete_dushenski has never seen endo, perio, other specialists, doesn't know 1265545;1441655828;mats;you would think americans would care. southerners in particular are perennially afraid of obama directing troops to steal their firearms, kill them, etc... 1265546;1441655845;pete_dushenski;oh, and men for maxillofacial surgery (wisdom teef) 1265547;1441655878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00073182 = 13.7216 BTC [+] 1265548;1441655900;ascii_field;mats: the way it works is, there are precisely two kinds of permitted mass media in usa: 1) usg 2) usg crank bait 1265549;1441655904;ascii_field;!s crank bait 1265550;1441655905;assbot;25 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait 1265551;1441655939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21917 @ 0.00072407 = 15.8694 BTC [-] {2} 1265552;1441655956;ascii_field;discussion of 'fed troops coming' is permitted strictly in the latter; and strictly in conjunction with discussions of martians coming, and shooting mind control rays 1265553;1441655991;ascii_field;classic example of this algo being what happened with the '9-11 truth' folks. 1265554;1441656000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00072136 = 35.7434 BTC [-] {2} 1265555;1441656018;ascii_field;the choice permitted is between the official narrative and martians. 1265556;1441656021;ascii_field;strictly, strictly this. 1265557;1441656050;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein 1265558;1441656061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00071988 = 19.2928 BTC [-] {2} 1265559;1441656085;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1265560;1441656085;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00040427 / 0.00040427 / 0.00040427 (5500 shares, 2.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00038573 / 0.00038753 / 0.00040427 (60100 shares, 23.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00027949 / 0.00037942 / 0.00040427 (75572 shares, 28.67 BTC) 1265561;1441656123;jurov;what happens when new shares are delayed for a week! 1265562;1441656153;BingoBoingo;Old shares go to the moon 1265563;1441656183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7076 @ 0.00071782 = 5.0793 BTC [-] {2} 1265564;1441656244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9612 @ 0.00071659 = 6.8879 BTC [-] {2} 1265565;1441656549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00071545 = 15.6326 BTC [-] {3} 1265566;1441656632;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1265567;1441656680;BingoBoingo;!up analmaster 1265568;1441656696;analmaster;hello 1265569;1441656699;ascii_field;welcome analmaster 1265570;1441656703;analmaster;the master of anus's 1265571;1441656704;ascii_field;find your pgp key 1265572;1441656704;analmaster;has arrived 1265573;1441656711;analmaster;yes i had it burried deep 1265574;1441656713;analmaster;in a special cavity 1265575;1441656727;ascii_field;analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez 1265576;1441656737;mats;lol... 1265577;1441656739;BingoBoingo;Ah, welcome 1265578;1441656746;analmaster;thank you obama, for making it easier to enrich. 1265579;1441656753;ascii_field;aka b00lcrap 1265580;1441656894;ben_vulpes;amuse 1265581;1441657026;assbot; cum into my harem 1265582;1441657048;ascii_field;l0l! 1265583;1441657056;analmaster;lol 1265584;1441657075;analmaster;the assbot spews random crap? 1265585;1441657085;BingoBoingo;assbot has buttitude 1265586;1441657087;ascii_field;only when kakobrekla feels like it 1265587;1441657134;analmaster;i see 1265588;1441657137;analmaster;how does this work again 1265589;1441657139;analmaster;!jailbat 1265590;1441657157;kakobrekla;mp is offline 1265591;1441657175;analmaster;he is a busy man 1265592;1441657193;jurov;prepping eulora release 1265593;1441657205;jurov;(imo) 1265594;1441657423;BingoBoingo;http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/09/07/1827205/steve-wozniak-steve-jobs-played-no-role-in-my-designs-for-the-apple-i-ii 1265595;1441657424;assbot;Steve Wozniak "Steve Jobs Played No Role In My Designs For the Apple I & II" - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UCW3ux ) 1265596;1441657547;ascii_field;'Steve Jobs played no role at all in any of my designs of the Apple I and Apple II computer and printer interfaces and serial interfaces and floppy disks and stuff that I made to enhance the computers. He did not know technology. He’d never designed anything as a hardware engineer, and he didn’t know software. He wanted to be important, and the important people are always the business people. So that’s wh 1265597;1441657547;ascii_field;at he wanted to do. The Apple II computer, by the way, was the only successful product Apple had for its first 10 years, and it was all done, for my own reasons for myself, before Steve Jobs even knew it existed.' 1265598;1441657596;kakobrekla;how do you say, mega-un-surprise ? 1265599;1441657610;ascii_field;afaik this was already public for eons. 1265600;1441657691;trinque;yeah, I don't think anyone who is aware of tech thinks he invented anything 1265601;1441657709;trinque;built a few very successful companies though 1265602;1441657891;BingoBoingo;!up refferedbyloper 1265603;1441657914;ascii_field;!s from:refferedbyloper 1265604;1441657914;assbot;1 results for 'from:refferedbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Arefferedbyloper 1265605;1441658449;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1265606;1441658681;BingoBoingo;!up analmaster 1265607;1441658887;analmaster;ah thank you 1265608;1441658900;analmaster;you are a kind and gentle beast 1265609;1441659226;pete_dushenski;http://www.gallup.com/poll/184730/americans-themselves-haves-nots.aspx << 38% of usians rate themselves as 'have-nots', up from 17% in 1988. capitalism won the cold war !1 1265610;1441659228;assbot;More Americans See Themselves as "Haves" Than "Have-Nots" ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1SZSO ) 1265611;1441659352;shinohai;Wow, a real, live analmaster 1265612;1441659364;analmaster;hello, ill be your anal master for the next 22 minutes 1265613;1441659376;shinohai;Only 22 minutes? 1265614;1441659388;shinohai;That will barely stretch my anus 1265615;1441659397;pete_dushenski;'this hour has 22 minutes' (tm) 1265616;1441659400;analmaster;lol 1265617;1441659404;analmaster;Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I've been with the have-nots. Over here, if you're a have-not, you're short of dough. If you're a have-not in hell, you're short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I'll start organizing the have-nots over there. 1265618;1441659428;shinohai;Where is "over here" ? 1265619;1441659435;analmaster;hell! 1265620;1441659539;shinohai;!rated trinque 1265621;1441659539;assbot;You have not rated trinque. 1265622;1441659557;punkman;what do the "haves" in hell have? 1265623;1441659579;shinohai;!rate trinque 1 Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo 1265624;1441659579;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/fa971afe57c7ac01 1265625;1441659630;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.trinque.1:bfd69c9c9230ea2c46ba7c1722dc9b86bc5817f13192e63b9e9af4c0fddf43ba 1265626;1441659630;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for trinque with note: Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo 1265627;1441659674;analmaster;punkman: the haves in hell have contempt for jews. 1265628;1441659782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00073 = 12.775 BTC [+] 1265629;1441659831;shinohai;What constitutes a "have" vs. "have not" ? 1265630;1441659837;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppfdhDBIohk << 'this hour has 22 minutes' sketch comedy show. national broadcasting at its most mediocre. 1265631;1441659838;assbot;This Hour Has 22 Minutes - Canadian Mass(So Funny) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1Uy3i ) 1265632;1441659867;pete_dushenski;shinohai: 'poor' v. 'rich' 1265633;1441659915;shinohai;Oh, then count me as "have not" though most of the time it is intentional, as I don't buy into American commercialism. 1265634;1441659918;ascii_field;laugh at my poverty willya 1265635;1441659952;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: meh. i think you sucked all the fun outta that game :P 1265636;1441659960;ascii_field;l0l 1265637;1441660059;pete_dushenski;analmaster: speaking of jooz. here's some markedly better canadian sketch comedy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvbvqYGgBqM 1265638;1441660060;assbot;Salty Ham - Kids in the Hall - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1VcxA ) 1265639;1441660073;analmaster;ah kids in the hall 1265640;1441660082;analmaster;reminds me of my youth 1265641;1441660111;pete_dushenski;you grew up up north ? 1265642;1441660133;analmaster;no they aired it in the states when i was a teen 1265643;1441660190;pete_dushenski;aha 1265644;1441660244;*;punkman just finished eating lentil stew and salty anchovies 1265645;1441660251;shinohai;yummy 1265646;1441660254;punkman;admittedly not the best idea at midnight 1265647;1441660257;analmaster;is there a difference between lentil stew and lentil soup 1265648;1441660268;punkman;analmaster: less liquid 1265649;1441660278;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1265650;1441660316;analmaster;makes sense 1265651;1441660328;analmaster;i love lentil soup, with some olive oil and herbamare 1265652;1441660331;analmaster;you guys know the herbamare? 1265653;1441660351;analmaster;a perverse western seasoning : https://img.thrivemarket.com/store/1200x/0/2/021718412169-1.jpg 1265654;1441660352;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1W3OY ) 1265655;1441660382;davout;analmaster: looks interesting 1265656;1441660395;analmaster;try it, you will never go back to sea salt. 1265657;1441660521;shinohai;!up analmaster 1265658;1441660559;analmaster;i am now shinohai's anal master for the next 29 minutes 1265659;1441660566;analmaster;how shall we broceed 1265660;1441660595;analmaster;ls 1265661;1441660642;shinohai;Hmmm ... since it is a holiday put a sparkler in your anus and take pics for #bitcoin-assets 1265662;1441660649;analmaster;hrm 1265663;1441660655;shinohai;^______________^ 1265664;1441660656;analmaster;that would work on july 4th 1265665;1441660669;analmaster;but since its labor day, your anus is going to be doing all the work 1265666;1441660715;shinohai;Might be a good idea to register your gpg key with assbot though, and eventually get rated so you can voice yourself. 1265667;1441660733;ascii_field;shinohai: he was rated, aha, lost key 1265668;1441660749;shinohai;ah 1265669;1441660791;analmaster;a gpg key appears. 1265670;1441660880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11772 @ 0.00073 = 8.5936 BTC [+] {2} 1265671;1441660989;shinohai;BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/PdzPuTM.jpg 1265672;1441660990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1XNHQ ) 1265673;1441661002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5128 @ 0.00073726 = 3.7807 BTC [+] 1265674;1441661064;analmaster;lol 1265675;1441661079;analmaster;please provide some context 1265676;1441661095;analmaster;just some innocent interaxial play 1265677;1441661114;shinohai;No context outside of being racist and damned funny. 1265678;1441661328;BingoBoingo;Was that fluffypony? 1265679;1441661343;fluffypony;HAH HAH 1265680;1441661354;fluffypony;omg you guize 1265681;1441661367;fluffypony;we have it in reverse now :-P 1265682;1441661401;shinohai;xD 1265683;1441661429;shinohai;Every time I see fluffypony, I can't help but think "Friendship is Magic" and all. 1265684;1441661447;fluffypony;thanks shinohai, I'm taking that as a compliment :) 1265685;1441661531;shinohai;Reddit bronies: https://youtu.be/t6023crXgIQ 1265686;1441661532;assbot;My Little Brony Toy Commercial - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1ZjKf ) 1265687;1441661676;analmaster;ill never understand bronies 1265688;1441661751;fluffypony;you and me both 1265689;1441661882;punkman;http://ifonlyiweresochic.tumblr.com/post/101190496022/bio-prof-sex-chromosomes-determine-gender-me 1265690;1441661883;assbot;oh so wonderful — Bio prof: sex chromosomes determine gender Me:... ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3qb0O ) 1265691;1441661980;analmaster;really? 1265692;1441661983;analmaster;thats not what my teacher told me 1265693;1441661985;ascii_field;;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << some actual implementation details re: 'derive' & 'mulisp' 1265694;1441661987;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3qt7C ) 1265695;1441661987;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265696;1441661994;analmaster;my teacher said you can be whatever gender you want to be 1265697;1441662039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10949 @ 0.00071473 = 7.8256 BTC [-] {2} 1265698;1441662191;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1265699;1441662359;asciilifeform;!up analmaster 1265700;1441662710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9204 @ 0.00071473 = 6.5784 BTC [-] 1265701;1441662733;pete_dushenski;http://36.media.tumblr.com/2910d740649b4c2cbc2163a27784ec21/tumblr_np90gtwvHD1qafppmo1_500.jpg << microaggressions, explained. 1265702;1441662735;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K22ykI ) 1265703;1441663105;analmaster;im not racist 1265704;1441663113;analmaster;i played soccer with a black kid at the bounce house 1265705;1441663114;analmaster;the other day 1265706;1441663171;pete_dushenski;did he score all the goals ? 1265707;1441663201;analmaster;fuck no 1265708;1441663206;analmaster;i dont let him score shit 1265709;1441663212;analmaster;get him ready for a tough life of blackness 1265710;1441663252;analmaster;listen a white lady clinching to their purse when a black person walks by is only natrual 1265711;1441663283;analmaster;blacks commit like 50% of violent crimes in the states 1265712;1441663290;analmaster;and they make up 12 % of the population 1265713;1441663364;kakobrekla;bytes can indeed have color. 1265714;1441663402;analmaster;can bits have color? 1265715;1441663416;ascii_field;!s what colour are your bits 1265716;1441663417;assbot;4 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits 1265717;1441663442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00071457 = 13.5054 BTC [-] {3} 1265718;1441663500;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265714 <<< asked gf, she said her bits are pink oc 1265719;1441663500;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 22:03:22; analmaster: can bits have color? 1265720;1441663503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00071371 = 22.7673 BTC [-] {5} 1265721;1441663505;pete_dushenski;analmaster: microaggression is supposed to be natural. like work, sex, and everything else villainised and illegalised by usg. sorta what monopoly on force means in praxis (monopoly on action) 1265722;1441663559;kakobrekla;ascii_field do you always opt for british english variant (out of spite?) 1265723;1441663572;ascii_field;reflex 1265724;1441663579;ascii_field;it's the one i learned. 1265725;1441663585;pete_dushenski;except shannoniZer 1265726;1441663595;ascii_field;when i write article-length crud i usually go back and americanize 1265727;1441663610;ascii_field;precisely because whiners. 1265728;1441663613;analmaster;only half of america is a bunch of sensitive little bitches. 1265729;1441663621;analmaster;pajama boys. 1265730;1441663790;analmaster;https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/pajama-boy.jpg 1265731;1441663791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3uSHW ) 1265732;1441663792;analmaster;america in one picture. 1265733;1441663818;pete_dushenski;!s lumbersexual 1265734;1441663819;assbot;0 results for 'lumbersexual' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lumbersexual 1265735;1441663827;pete_dushenski;ya, missing beard. 1265736;1441663853;analmaster;shit 1265737;1441663857;analmaster;im quite lumbersexual 1265738;1441663878;analmaster;i happen to the the last remaining american to chop down > 1/4 acre with an axe in 2014. 1265739;1441663944;ascii_field;^ quite possibly. 1265740;1441663983;analmaster;https://theuniversalspectator.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/pj-hitler.jpg 1265741;1441663984;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K25XA7 ) 1265742;1441663985;analmaster;har har 1265743;1441664015;trinque;I get the sense that guy could've put an eyeball in orbit if he wanted. 1265744;1441664059;trinque;!up ascii_field 1265745;1441664324;pete_dushenski;"Lexus this month will begin offering a service through its Enform telematics system that will enable dealers to remotely look into a customer's check-engine light or other warning on the instrument panel. The service, Enform Service Connect, will be offered on all 2016 Lexus models" << what could possibly go wrong ? not like this'll be hacked six ways to sunday a la jeep uconnect. 1265746;1441664505;pete_dushenski;in other car news, http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/dealer-swindled-6-billion-general-motors/ 1265747;1441664506;assbot;The Dealer Who Swindled $6 Billion From General Motors ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3wyRC ) 1265748;1441664525;pete_dushenski;"McNamara’s brilliant swindle was deliciously simple. It was based on one undeniable truth he learned from his years of owning a Buick-Pontiac-GMC dealership on Long Island: General Motors and GMAC were too incompetent and too bureaucratic to figure out that they were being scammed." 1265749;1441664555;pete_dushenski;'government motors' indeed. 1265750;1441665131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alrighty, so i won't continue it then. 1265751;1441665188;mircea_popescu;as jurov's not actually said anything re his theoretically present but upon examination inexistent connection or w/e it was, this leaves the problem of where to host open. 1265752;1441665220;mircea_popescu;and if it stays open till early oct, nosuchlabs won't have a server until it gets resolved. 1265753;1441665316;jurov;don't wait for me till i communicate it with my guys, of course 1265754;1441666022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for that matter, is it safe to shut down now ? you have backups and everything ? 1265755;1441666675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00071695 = 3.2621 BTC [+] 1265756;1441667506;trinque;!up kdomanski 1265757;1441667521;trinque;kdomanski: hi, who are you? 1265758;1441667567;kdomanski;old frequenter who's been away 1265759;1441667594;trinque;wb 1265760;1441667641;kdomanski;have you guys heard about the whole opensource LGBT drama where a bunch of people wanted a guy out of and OSS project 'cause he said something politically incorrect on twitter? 1265761;1441667657;kdomanski;*an 1265762;1441667672;mats;this would not surprise anyone 1265763;1441667696;trinque;kdomanski: yeah, the ruby thing? not that I don't expect this has happened many times 1265764;1441667711;kdomanski;trinque: that one exactly 1265765;1441667715;kdomanski;https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 1265766;1441667718;assbot;Transphobic maintainer should be removed from project · Issue #941 · opal/opal · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkREMj ) 1265767;1441667723;kdomanski;pages and pages of drama 1265768;1441667728;kdomanski;popcorn advised 1265769;1441667746;trinque;kdomanski: yeah, a guy I know more or less shouted "tranny hater!" at me for not caring about it 1265770;1441667754;kdomanski;haha 1265771;1441667773;kdomanski;I cound 7 occurences of the word "privilege" 1265772;1441667992;trinque;the SJWs can have Ruby; it's a steaming pile of shit 1265773;1441668031;kdomanski;+1 1265774;1441668086;trinque;;;later tell gabriel_laddel Conkeror has made its way into daily use; JS debugging tips? Best thing providing a JS REPL in Emacs? 1265775;1441668087;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1265776;1441668139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5025 @ 0.00072472 = 3.6417 BTC [+] {2} 1265777;1441668457;davout;trinque: ahem. 1265778;1441668485;trinque;davout: wat 1265779;1441668505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is to be backed up, for the last time, over the next couplea days. 1265780;1441668510;davout;let's start a ruby flame war 1265781;1441668525;trinque;davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? 1265782;1441668529;davout;i like the language, the community much much less 1265783;1441668540;trinque;I've done some ruby; mostly just yelling 1265784;1441668540;mats;http://colin.keigher.ca/2015/09/geotrustsymantec-has-revoked-all-ssl.html 1265785;1441668541;assbot;Colin Keigher: Geotrust/Symantec has revoked all SSL certificates for .PW TLD domains ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkSQPI ) 1265786;1441668547;davout;trinque: it has unicorns installable as a convenient ruby gem 1265787;1441668568;trinque;davout: the whimsy, which I blame on that "Why" guy, bleh 1265788;1441668579;davout;"Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing?" 1265789;1441668601;davout;ugh, transgender people either have something to contribute, or they don't, like the fucking rest of us 1265790;1441668641;trinque;nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products, and "radical innovation" sprouts 1265791;1441668664;kdomanski;trinque: you forgot "disrupting" 1265792;1441668690;trinque;kdomanski: I am a white male; what do I know anyway? 1265793;1441668693;davout;"Requesting contributions before being heard is a pretty low stab as well - you are basically saying that opinions gain worth with merit." <<< oh god 1265794;1441668707;kdomanski;trinque: shame on you, check your privilege 1265795;1441668713;trinque;it's still there. 1265796;1441668715;*;trinque brb, food 1265797;1441668789;davout;trinque: kek 1265798;1441669065;kdomanski;"unless @elia is removed from the project, I cannot learn Ruby, and thus can't get a job in Ruby development" 1265799;1441669296;shinohai;til you really don't need anything special to perform a DoS attack on reddit besides a script that constantly f5's the page. 1265800;1441669481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00072104 = 12.1495 BTC [-] {2} 1265801;1441669788;shinohai;!up kdomanski 1265802;1441670693;mircea_popescu;!up kdomanski 1265803;1441670702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alrighty. 1265804;1441670776;mircea_popescu; popcorn advised << nobody really gives a shit. the countless fucktards trying to parlay their "issues" and "political awareness" and so forth into actual subject matter relevancy only succeed in their own estimation. 1265805;1441670845;mircea_popescu;i'm sure there's an "airforce expert pilots" club somewhere in djbouti, made out of people who agree among themselves on djbotardit and twidji. meanwhile djbouti's only airplane is a boat. 1265806;1441670993;kdomanski;mircea_popescu: the problem is, they actually manage to impact relevant stuff with their bullshit 1265807;1441670994;mircea_popescu; davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? <<< bwahahaha. unrebutt able objectibutts language! 1265808;1441670999;mircea_popescu;kdomanski liek ? 1265809;1441671009;kdomanski;mircea_popescu: getting people fired 1265810;1441671038;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264646 & succ. 1265811;1441671038;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia. 1265812;1441671048;mircea_popescu;people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better. 1265813;1441671066;*;mircea_popescu does not support the theory dependents have rights. 1265814;1441671085;davout;kdomanski: maybe in the us... but not anywhere else 1265815;1441671137;mircea_popescu;moreover, software "employees" should be fired. if they're any good that's the best thing that could ever happen to them, and if they suck why would anyone keep em. 1265816;1441671170;kdomanski;in most places if you have a SJW mob coming after you it will be difficult for you to conduct business 1265817;1441671185;mircea_popescu;hasn't affected me. 1265818;1441671196;*;mircea_popescu has lost count of the angry mobs by now. 1265819;1441671228;kdomanski;mircea_popescu: then again, you aren't most people 1265820;1441671303;mircea_popescu;which is kinda my point here. some shit's being conflated. like that ancient ditty, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest." 1265821;1441671342;mircea_popescu;if the people you talk about may have opinions, then this doesn't affect them. if it does, then they should have gotten their head out of their ass, understood their situation as slaves and put more effort into massaging the cock of their owners more betterer. 1265822;1441671359;mircea_popescu;no "little o' tis, little o' that" on the table. 1265823;1441671433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00073483 = 5.5112 BTC [+] 1265824;1441671452;kdomanski;mircea_popescu: I understand is is colorful metaphor for "if you can't take the fallout, STFU and keep your opinions to yourself"? 1265825;1441671465;mircea_popescu;could work like that yea. 1265826;1441671490;mircea_popescu;but it's deeper, really. "your impression you may have oppinions MUST be predicated on your certainty you can in fact back them up." 1265827;1441671567;mircea_popescu;people aren't born with the right to like and dislike and opine and so forth. people are born "women and children", which is to say with the obligation to adapt to others likes and dislikes. we call these others "their betters". 1265828;1441671579;mircea_popescu;some people progress from there, some don't, and that's it. 1265829;1441671632;kdomanski;I'm quite certain that ability to prove his statements scientifically (i.e. transsexuals not being homo sapiens) woudn't matter in this context 1265830;1441671673;mircea_popescu;i doubt you could prove such a thing. 1265831;1441671690;mircea_popescu;you'll end up with "actors aren'ty human" and other avatars of medieval thoughtmire. 1265832;1441671711;kdomanski;many politically incorrect opinions about race vs intelligence and such have scientific grounds but are nevertheless successfully persecuted 1265833;1441671750;mircea_popescu;science isn't a present day version of "my older brother's in the navy seals" / "we are god's chosen people" where somehow it gives you a magic golen ticket to things. 1265834;1441671826;mircea_popescu;but you're right, a lot of perfectly avoidable, self constructed problems are patently traceable to that misimpression being perhaps deliberately induced in children. 1265835;1441671892;kdomanski;well I'm uncertain what in your mind qualifies as "backing them (opinions) up" 1265836;1441671901;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265811 <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date. 1265837;1441671901;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:38; assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move 1265838;1441671929;mircea_popescu;kdomanski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265817 and the next coupla work as a standard i'd say. 1265839;1441671929;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:13:05; mircea_popescu: hasn't affected me. 1265840;1441671995;kdomanski;so, might makes right 1265841;1441672004;trinque;might makes "it happened" 1265842;1441672004;mircea_popescu;no. absence of might makes wrong. 1265843;1441672038;mircea_popescu;the mighty may be right, or then again may well be wrong. but the weak are always and unexcusably in the wrong. 1265844;1441672066;kdomanski;thus, the guy should have know better and STFU? 1265845;1441672077;mircea_popescu;if there's actual fallout, yes. 1265846;1441672098;mircea_popescu;he's approximately the male equivalent of thew usian stripper with an attitude. 1265847;1441672118;kdomanski;kinda makes sense 1265848;1441672146;mircea_popescu;(that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.) 1265849;1441672189;kdomanski;I don't think they actually did any damage in this case, but sometimes they ruin careers 1265850;1441672208;mircea_popescu;im sure sometimes the bugaboo got some kids. not in this case, nor in this neighbourhood, nor you know. 1265851;1441672211;mircea_popescu;just... sometimes! i'm sure! 1265852;1441672231;mircea_popescu;so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids. 1265853;1441672242;kdomanski;remember the guy who laughed at "fuck her right in the pussy"? 1265854;1441672246;mircea_popescu;mno 1265855;1441672262;kdomanski;a female reporter asked him why did he laugh 1265856;1441672262;trinque;kdomanski: I can say I've worked at software companies that did not police humor or politics in the slightest 1265857;1441672271;kdomanski;"because it was funny" 1265858;1441672279;kdomanski;they did get that one fired 1265859;1441672280;mircea_popescu;remember the guy who got shot by a cop on a bike, because the cop had inferiority complex for not having a car so he stuck his head and torso through the ghuy's window ? 1265860;1441672319;mircea_popescu;it's the land of freakarama over there, what do you think an example's gonna do ? 1265861;1441672328;kdomanski;yeah 1265862;1441672360;kdomanski;the actual long-lasting damage being done here is: now they're assembling an universal code of conduct or whatever 1265863;1441672361;mircea_popescu;and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ? 1265864;1441672377;mircea_popescu;bubble's going out and everyone's out on their ass, career or no career. this isn't showbiz, it's computer slavery. 1265865;1441672387;mircea_popescu;then bubble's back on and they hire any shaved monkey with a pulse. 1265866;1441672389;mircea_popescu;etc. 1265867;1441672424;shinohai;!b3 1265868;1441672425;mircea_popescu;kdomanski the deep reason is that you folk can't eat on your own. obviously there's going to be a code of conduct : he who lives in his parents house observes the fucking rules neh . 1265869;1441672434;shinohai;shit 1265870;1441672483;mircea_popescu;seinfeld ~had~ a career. it lasted a decade, and he quit while ahead. who the fuck in software has a career ? 1265871;1441672499;mircea_popescu;the lolcows. gavin and co, and it's a shitty career in unintentional comedy at that. 1265872;1441672543;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos. 1265873;1441672546;mircea_popescu;!up kdomanski 1265874;1441672554;mircea_popescu;does anyone even think afore using words anymore ?! 1265875;1441672601;kdomanski;in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos << that's merely a subset of that space 1265876;1441672630;mircea_popescu;yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events. 1265877;1441672695;kdomanski;mircea_popescu: it does get them richer than anything else they could possibly do with their lives 1265878;1441672722;mircea_popescu;proving once more that the fetish of wealth is a very poor compass for one's life. 1265879;1441672759;kdomanski;which is trivial sophism once one is already wealthy 1265880;1441672766;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it. 1265881;1441672766;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 12:51:20; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264466 <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home? 1265882;1441672784;mircea_popescu;kdomanski or appears so. i hold it isn't a sophism. 1265883;1441672795;mircea_popescu;but i'm not getting too far with alf on this line either, so. 1265884;1441672827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265169 << definitely. 1265885;1441672827;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 12:52:20; jurov: are dns samples "cultural exchange"? 1265886;1441672878;trinque;kdomanski: since money is political, you might consider it a compass to the extent that you agree with the prevailing politics 1265887;1441672914;trinque;really drives home how destructive market distortions can be 1265888;1441672925;mircea_popescu;the other important point is, "whether you get to actually hold it". riches subject to riders like "you may only use this to inflate real estate bubble" aren't much yours anyway. 1265889;1441672965;mircea_popescu;teenaged kids with whoremongering fathers often borrow the cars those drive in an attempt to cargo-cult the whores they bang into existence. perhaps they could be embodied out of their classmates or something. 1265890;1441672975;kdomanski;trinque: money allows to exert influence on people regardless of their political stance 1265891;1441672979;mircea_popescu;still, it's not their god damned car. and so no, not rich. merely posing with opr. 1265892;1441672995;mircea_popescu;bitcoin does. usd does not. kinda why we don't like it./ 1265893;1441673101;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265193 << is he basically saying "i'll pay for your daughter" ? 1265894;1441673101;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 12:59:22; funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt 1265895;1441673218;pete_dushenski;that's the 3 bitcent question 1265896;1441673307;mircea_popescu;http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth "arry thought that respect was an asset worth shelling out 150,000 shares of VA for." << jesus esr;s such a twerp. 1265897;1441673309;assbot;ESR Writes on "Surprised By Wealth" - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcd2q ) 1265898;1441673346;mircea_popescu;"i was an integral part of the gnu sellout, and i feel kinda bad about it so i'll just pretend i didn't do anything and hey, the communitards are too dumb to know shit from their face." 1265899;1441673360;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the man is insufferable in person, also 1265900;1441673390;mircea_popescu;there's this borderline autistic hypocrisy behaviour that somehow's really represented in my head by the oss folks. 1265901;1441673397;midnightmagic;Is there somewhere I can read more about how deedbot works under the hood and where I can find its proofs and such? 1265902;1441673420;mircea_popescu;not that rms doesn't display plenty of it. myst be something in unix that makes people go "hey, i can just ignore the classes i don't want to use right now" or somesuch. 1265903;1441673421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down ! ...' 1265904;1441673460;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic this very log :) 1265905;1441673547;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718931 << the spec. iirc trinque's implementation is you concat the msgs and sha512 it for a key seed. 1265906;1441673547;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2014 11:59:24; mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this : 1265907;1441673549;pete_dushenski;trinque: what would it take to revive []bot to scoop new bitbet proposals and >1 btc wagers ? 1265908;1441673592;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265812 << if this recipe were actually followed, you get a usg reich that lasts 10,000 years. still want ? 1265909;1441673592;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:48; mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better. 1265910;1441673619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you think the reich collapses "because the people"... 1265911;1441673620;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 1265912;1441673621;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: I'd like to start pointing people away from proofofexistence and other incompatible nonsense and IIRC, deedbot is careful/efficient in how it stores stuff in the blockchain. If that is so, I'd like to point newbs at.. like a website or something, if it exists. 1265913;1441673621;asciilifeform;but instead, the teenage idiot who wants the car, the money, ~and~ to disobey father - is the mover of civilization. 1265914;1441673630;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: I'll re-read the logs. 1265915;1441673634;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not 'because the people' so much as 'because not giving a fuck' 1265916;1441673641;asciilifeform;as per the su example 1265917;1441673651;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic a valid point, i don't think the whole thing's properly packaged for public consumption. 1265918;1441673676;pete_dushenski;midnightmagic: http://deedbot.org/ << seen ? 1265919;1441673677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF ) 1265920;1441673677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all reichs always collapse because of the reich, and the outside enemies. never was it the case "the people" did anything relevant. 1265921;1441673685;asciilifeform;there is ~failing to do~ 1265922;1441673701;midnightmagic;pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu: thanks, I'll re-read. 1265923;1441673704;asciilifeform;as in, failing to properly serve satan in his hour of need (tm) 1265924;1441673711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but they have no contribution in that. 1265925;1441673713;trinque;deedbot- isn't currently n00b friendly at all, no. And I'll always prefer that people are in good standing in the WoT to use it. 1265926;1441673721;asciilifeform;the contribution of nonparticipation. 1265927;1441673738;mircea_popescu;trinque that part's not going away. but a faq page explaining how to construct the payout address would be helpful. 1265928;1441673742;trinque;pete_dushenski: is that just another RSS feed? 1265929;1441673744;asciilifeform;of becoming furnace stokers and night watchmen instead of engineers, as per the su example. 1265930;1441673748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that happens because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE 1265931;1441673758;mircea_popescu;that they try to pretend like "thgey did it", sure, the scum that they are would. 1265932;1441673758;trinque;mircea_popescu: I was thinking of releasing a script that you hand a doc, and it farts out the address 1265933;1441673769;trinque;would probably be nice to stick on the website. 1265934;1441673775;mircea_popescu;better to explain what's to be done, let people work their own script 1265935;1441673781;mircea_popescu;it's for money after all. 1265936;1441673781;trinque;fair enough 1265937;1441673807;pete_dushenski;trinque: hm. https://bitbet.us/rss/new/ << this part covers the new proposals. can't say i'm fully versed in how the >1 btc bets were teased out. best ask kakobrekla 1265938;1441673808;assbot;BitBet Bets Bets ... ( http://bit.ly/1LU0PSi ) 1265939;1441673818;mircea_popescu;rss. 1265940;1441673824;mircea_popescu;!s bitbet rss 1265941;1441673825;assbot;2 results for 'bitbet rss' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitbet+rss 1265942;1441673870;trinque;kakobrekla: lemme know what feed and I'll add it 1265943;1441673892;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265848 << mircea_popescu, like most non-us folk, has a disastrously exaggerated concept of 'can get welfare.' in practice, you HAVE to be black, female, have bastard children, preferably - all 3 1265944;1441673892;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:29:06; mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.) 1265945;1441673926;asciilifeform;can get 'food stamps' more often, but need multiple years of tax returns demonstrating being a pauper, typically 1265946;1441673927;*;trinque saw a healthy hippy chick buying expensive groceries with a food-stamps card yesterday 1265947;1441673934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the last us citizen that actually took out less than what he put in died sometime in the 80s. 1265948;1441673940;trinque;she was like 19-20 1265949;1441673944;asciilifeform;trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's 1265950;1441673965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't expect to ever meet this mythical animal, aha 1265951;1441673966;trinque;I think the bums around here all know you can get "assistance" 1265952;1441673974;asciilifeform;trinque: IF YOU ARE THEM 1265953;1441673981;asciilifeform;try getting it ~while being YOU~ 1265954;1441673983;trinque;yeah but some kid just decides to be a bum, because it's a lifestyle 1265955;1441673988;trinque;sure not me, I look worth a shit 1265956;1441673988;asciilifeform;gotta decide young 1265957;1441673998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no middle ground. either be them or don't need to bitch about it! 1265958;1441674002;asciilifeform;having a job history (and if you paid tax, it is impossible to conceal) counts against you. 1265959;1441674019;mircea_popescu;iirc ballas said if you were ever employed, you're fucked. 1265960;1441674022;asciilifeform;aha 1265961;1441674025;asciilifeform;he is entirely correct. 1265962;1441674028;mircea_popescu;then again, /me has never been employed. 1265963;1441674160;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265852 << re: this and the entire thread: it might surprise mircea_popescu, but i have never seen this idiocy alive up close, nor know anyone who will attest to having done so; it is really a west coast / sv thing as far as i can tell. 1265964;1441674160;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:30:31; mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids. 1265965;1441674171;asciilifeform;mainly afflicting the www 'industry' & co. 1265966;1441674178;mircea_popescu;"industry" 1265967;1441674180;asciilifeform;aha 1265968;1441674187;mircea_popescu;it's really so fantasmagoric it needs triple quotes 1265969;1441674193;asciilifeform;in-dust-ry. 1265970;1441674201;asciilifeform;emphasis on 'dust' 1265971;1441674211;mircea_popescu;i mean time warner paid a billion for myspace which was worth ~0, sure, turner's old and stupid. 1265972;1441674218;mircea_popescu;but the notion that twitter's worth money... 1265973;1441674260;asciilifeform;as pictured in the very relevant mircea_popescu piece, 'this is not money that anyone had to work to earn and save, it is created with a button press' 1265974;1441674279;mircea_popescu;i stopped reading after "this is not money". 1265975;1441674286;thestringpuller;three cheers for jurov 1265976;1441674318;*;mircea_popescu has had his fill of retarded teenagers sitting around crediting each other's socioeconomicosexual-and-otherwise wholly imagined accomplishments sometime around the age of 15. 1265977;1441674329;mircea_popescu;seems the us is only now catching on to this thing. 1265978;1441674363;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265863 << i associate the word with the army and little else 1265979;1441674363;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:32:41; mircea_popescu: and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ? 1265980;1441674376;asciilifeform;it doesn't really make much sense elsewhere... 1265981;1441674395;mircea_popescu;there are fields where careers exist. you can have a career as a surgeon. oncologist diagnosticians in particular are the fathers of all careerdom, 1265982;1441674404;mircea_popescu;it takes 30 years' worth of looking at fucking probes to spot the cells. 1265983;1441674412;asciilifeform;!s which screw 1265984;1441674413;assbot;17 results for 'which screw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=which+screw 1265985;1441674417;mircea_popescu;but nobody goes "hey, let's hire this guy, he's in 3rd year medical school" 1265986;1441674430;mircea_popescu;when that happens in a field, a career's in principle impossible. 1265987;1441674450;mircea_popescu;which is why everyone's idea of "career in software" are ridoinculous derps like ers, who do have a career alright 1265988;1441674455;mircea_popescu;except it's not software, it's showbiz. 1265989;1441674656;mircea_popescu;!up kdomanski 1265990;1441674660;kdomanski;mircea_popescu: you know there's software outside of what the silly con valley does 1265991;1441674662;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot kdomanski 1265992;1441674663;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user kdomanski: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=kdomanski | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kdomanski/ 1265993;1441674708;kdomanski;exempli gratia: if you want to make software for aircraft or tanks, you need to be playing the "career" game for decades 1265994;1441674739;mircea_popescu;!rate kdomanski 1 New blood 1265995;1441674739;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/78bf1156beff79ac 1265996;1441674742;mats;thats not true 1265997;1441674746;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265872 << ergo my reaction to those times when ben_vulpes, trinque, etc express bewilderment at my refusal to 'work in software' 1265998;1441674746;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:35:43; mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos. 1265999;1441674760;mats;i know several folks hired out of univ to write ada for e.g. lockheed 1266000;1441674767;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265876 << the interesting part is that this is OPTIONAL. for everyone. even the lowest indian programmer, DOES NOT HAVE TO derpference. 1266001;1441674767;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:37:10; mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events. 1266002;1441674768;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.kdomanski.1:54667e89207aaf19e414f5a288e53d6e45deca72b848de2d9c1989f508df90cb 1266003;1441674769;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for kdomanski with note: New blood 1266004;1441674769;mats;following internships. 1266005;1441674770;asciilifeform;!up kdomanski 1266006;1441674771;asciilifeform;kdomanski: mats is right. it is enough to choose your parents carefully. 1266007;1441674803;kdomanski;I didn't know that 1266008;1441674815;kdomanski;then again, I'm not from US 1266009;1441674823;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, THIS blows a heck of a hole in asciilifeform's fairy tale hopes and dreams 1266010;1441674832;mircea_popescu;about how somewhere there are real programmers for real 1266011;1441674839;asciilifeform;sure there are 1266012;1441674841;mats;its an uphill battle, sure. but there's also still a sense of 'meritocracy' in place for a lot of american engineers. 1266013;1441674843;mircea_popescu;making bridges^H^H^H^H airplanes ^H^H^H^ something!!1 1266014;1441674851;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i work with them 1266015;1441674860;mats;you got the chops, you show le code, many shops will hire you on the strength of that alone 1266016;1441674872;mircea_popescu;mats for the same money, there's still a sense of "t bills are worth something" still in place for a lot of americans. 1266017;1441674897;asciilifeform;mats: 'many' may be an exaggeration, but yes, exists 1266018;1441674926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'if it covers the rent and the swill, it's money' approximately 1266019;1441674926;kdomanski;there's shops who hire code monkeys by the kilograms and there's shops where they _almost_ engineer 1266020;1441674936;asciilifeform;(it is actually script, yes, there is a word for it, aha) 1266021;1441674938;asciilifeform;*scrip 1266022;1441674942;asciilifeform;scrip. 1266023;1441674949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, do you know what other field pretends like "career" exists while people mostly hiring teenagers ? 1266024;1441674953;mircea_popescu;PORN ACTING!!11 1266025;1441674962;mircea_popescu;im telling you... software's just how boys whore out. 1266026;1441674978;asciilifeform;of the human compiler variety - yes. 1266027;1441674984;mats;maybe. i know of no less than a dozen folks that did such menial labor as retail slavery, telephone support slavery, etc... that got hired on in dev roles after furnishing a repo populated through a year with code motivated by said slavery 1266028;1441675005;mircea_popescu;mats i maintain this is more welfare than hiring. 1266029;1441675007;asciilifeform;mats: i work with just such a man 1266030;1441675040;asciilifeform;again mircea_popescu conflates the sv world with the actual world. 1266031;1441675055;mircea_popescu;for fun and profit! 1266032;1441675057;asciilifeform;yes, it puts out bright light, other things almost impossible to see next to it. 1266033;1441675058;mircea_popescu;fun, mostly. 1266034;1441675198;mircea_popescu;re the "refugee problem" : so the us has been derping about "being a regional power" and sheriffing things and places for reasons. 1266035;1441675209;mircea_popescu;now europe gotta pay for 1-2mn refugees that came out of all that. 1266036;1441675214;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it's gonna send the us the bill. 1266037;1441675217;asciilifeform;didn't want this? don't join nato. 1266038;1441675224;mircea_popescu;a very modest 5 trillion or something. 1266039;1441675225;asciilifeform;'like sledding, like pulling the sled' (tm) 1266040;1441675232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right, because they'd have gone to russia instead. 1266041;1441675240;mircea_popescu;they don't just blindly go to where things are. 1266042;1441675246;asciilifeform;try 'go to russia.' 1266043;1441675290;asciilifeform;(they don't 'nordicsystem' there, no.) 1266044;1441675310;mircea_popescu;they also don't have much the pakistani couldn't get at home. 1266045;1441675314;asciilifeform;aha 1266046;1441675335;asciilifeform;other than rapemeat 1266047;1441675384;mircea_popescu;i dun know how exactly a buncha pakistani would catch up to a russian she-hound. 1266048;1441675400;mircea_popescu;maybe if they lay traps or something. otherwise it's like turkeys chasing coughars. 1266049;1441675407;asciilifeform;ask chechen ? 1266050;1441675424;*;mircea_popescu doesn't know any 1266051;1441675536;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265316 << "Part and parcel of the present dispute is to clearly make the point that Gavin Andresen does not have the authority to enact or create a hardfork of the Bitcoin network, nor any sort of significant clout, cachet, power to influence the matter etc. 1266052;1441675536;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 16:12:33; pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8l11q9hsJM << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.” 1266053;1441675536;mircea_popescu;This will be useful for the Bitcoin network first and foremost, because Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields." 1266054;1441675553;mircea_popescu;he could have just accepted it then. but no, idiots gotta derp first. 1266055;1441675591;mircea_popescu;so now we're going to spin as "it's not rape if we wilfully spread for mp's will" ? mmmmkay. 1266056;1441675600;asciilifeform;wai wut 1266057;1441675601;*;mircea_popescu 's feelings r all hurt by this. 1266058;1441675603;asciilifeform;did i miss this spreading ? 1266059;1441675613;thestringpuller;trinque: nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products << could you elaborate? Makes it sound like Chappelle's joke on cops sprinkling crack on black guys at crime scenes. "Open and shut case Johnson! Now lets sprinkle some crack on him and call it a night." 1266060;1441675618;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the quote. 1266061;1441675631;asciilifeform;i don't see it. 1266062;1441675642;asciilifeform;they want to rule without publicly sitting on a throne, yes 1266063;1441675646;asciilifeform;not the same as surrender. 1266064;1441675661;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265320 << youtube doesn't work that way, but anyways. 1266065;1441675661;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 16:15:52; *: pete_dushenski doesn't recommend wasting 80 mins of precious life watching gavin derp on podcast. just for historical reference and record. 1266066;1441675693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the dead want to eat pussy, surely. 1266067;1441675753;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265342 << except it's really a case of "how debian is not only stealing linux from the people who made it, but is attempting to steal their having been stolen from, too!" 1266068;1441675753;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 17:14:04; punkman: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again 1266069;1441675837;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265359 << doh. 1266070;1441675837;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 17:29:28; pete_dushenski: apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam 1266071;1441675862;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: "i saw this once when i was a rookie, nigger broke in and put up picture of his family everywhere. let's sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here." 1266072;1441675866;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/#selection-3043.1-3043.123 being the controlling point there. 1266073;1441675867;assbot;Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDVtRu ) 1266074;1441675871;mircea_popescu;"I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person." 1266075;1441675894;mircea_popescu;the end of social media will come exactly like how nobody could have predicted it by reading a 2014 trilema article. 1266076;1441675978;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265368 << you're plain out wrong. everyone gets to, and a lot of people much dumber than you are, and have. and you know this for a fact yourself. and will continue to do so. 1266077;1441675978;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies. 1266078;1441675993;asciilifeform;they are placed well. 1266079;1441676011;mircea_popescu;no, they are not. 1266080;1441676014;pete_dushenski;or just 'ambitious' 1266081;1441676019;mircea_popescu;they're just numerous and don't give a fuck. 1266082;1441676035;asciilifeform;^ now this, possibly. 1266083;1441676037;mircea_popescu;this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck. 1266084;1441676045;asciilifeform;and be numerous, l0l 1266085;1441676054;mircea_popescu;this is exactly how you drive, for the record. 1266086;1441676068;mircea_popescu;but yers, for as long as you delude yourself into needing permission, guess what. 1266087;1441676070;mircea_popescu;you will need it. 1266088;1441676099;asciilifeform;it is not so much about permission as it is about enculturation. 1266089;1441676119;trinque;thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good. 1266090;1441676165;mircea_popescu;trinque ironically enough, ACTUAL diversity WOULD be inherently good. 1266091;1441676182;mircea_popescu;what's never going to be good is hiring some inept crowd followrs. they're gay, don't you know, because they saw it on tv. 1266092;1441676207;trinque;yeah, diverse group of highly competent people? sounds fine 1266093;1441676214;mircea_popescu;you don't see "diversity is inherently good so we've hired a fbi most wanted guy" 1266094;1441676214;trinque;this means bronies and trannies 1266095;1441676221;trinque;heh 1266096;1441676237;mircea_popescu;and we want the fed to change regulations because they're getting in the way of paying our employee 1266097;1441676241;mircea_popescu;who is saving to blow up the fed. 1266098;1441676246;mircea_popescu;diversity ftw. 1266099;1441676264;trinque;but you can pick from one of the 8 state sanctioned personalities! 1266100;1441676294;mircea_popescu;diversitit! 1266101;1441676358;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265428 << post it ? 1266102;1441676358;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding. 1266103;1441676430;BingoBoingo;trinque: SUre it isn't a spearfish? 1266104;1441676473;trinque;oh actually it might've been; it's asking me to invest with "pantera capital" or something 1266105;1441676475;*;trinque dpastes 1266106;1441676494;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265456 << this is actually how it goes. or to hear graham say it, "tech millionaires are savvy about how to make the ponzi grow." 1266107;1441676494;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 18:17:30; ascii_field: or invested in best phriend's 'sure to make megabux!!11!!11' sv idiocy 1266108;1441676523;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266089 << if you 'often hear' this, you may be standing too close to the beast-who-digests-for-800-years 1266109;1441676523;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 01:35:19; trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good. 1266110;1441676541;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is "Ron Glantz" 1266111;1441676565;trinque;http://i.imgur.com/0ZIjfYw.png << upon second inspection, has to be a scam 1266112;1441676566;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql2Rwp ) 1266113;1441676571;mircea_popescu;omfg gina glantz's wife !? 1266114;1441676604;asciilifeform;trinque: you so much as entertained the notion that it is ~not~ a scam ?!! 1266115;1441676612;mircea_popescu;dude check it out lmao. the hamplanet transgenderderpatron is investing in bitcoin nao 1266116;1441676614;trinque;only glanced and junkmailed 1266117;1441676673;mircea_popescu;ftr pantera capital = Ron Glantz Director of Research ; Matt Gorham Trader ; Jed McCaleb Venture Partner ; Dan Morehead CEO ; Paul Veradittakit Vice President ; Steve Waterhouse Partner 1266118;1441676698;mircea_popescu;just in case any of the friends of scammer&idiot club need to know after a few years why they're blacklisted. 1266119;1441676758;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/ << 1266120;1441676759;assbot;ChangeTip Raises $3.5 Million Lead by Pantera Capital | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql39Dy ) 1266121;1441676789;pete_dushenski;wasn't mccaleb from stellar or ripple or something ? 1266122;1441676803;asciilifeform;l0l it's a real american corp 1266123;1441676805;asciilifeform;how classy 1266124;1441676806;trinque;https://twitter.com/PanteraCapital/status/640952461637775360 << definitely a scam 1266125;1441676810;*;asciilifeform assumed it was a spamcorp 1266126;1441676813;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265470 <<< the only thing that goes with this is http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.0-123.37 1266127;1441676813;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 18:20:59; pete_dushenski: " It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link 1266128;1441676814;assbot;Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql38iY ) 1266129;1441676826;mircea_popescu;derp made a deal, sold out the thing, a decade later is out on his ass. 1266130;1441676831;mircea_popescu;where is his derpitude now ? 1266131;1441676842;mircea_popescu;oh he knew so much better then, and "of course" this and that. 1266132;1441676853;mircea_popescu;and now ? where's the letter going "i was a fucking imbecile to sign with the usg!!11" 1266133;1441676856;mircea_popescu;where's shrem's for that matter ? 1266134;1441676868;mircea_popescu;idiots aren't truly idiots unless they stay unaware of their idiocy throughout. 1266135;1441676874;pete_dushenski;also beggin for donations 1266136;1441676887;mircea_popescu;i'm going to donate to him right after i'm done donating to vessenes. 1266137;1441676899;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: don't wait for this letter. after all, he still has a skin for them to take 1266138;1441676918;mircea_popescu;right. 1266139;1441676933;asciilifeform;btw, perhaps the lightest, but still not forgotten, of esr's crimes is his theft of the 'hacker's dictionary' 1266140;1441676936;mircea_popescu;i dun know how to put it plainer than : the war is between smart people and stupid people. 1266141;1441676945;mircea_popescu;if you are not fighting with the smart people to opress the stupid, 1266142;1441676950;asciilifeform;which he appropriated, slapped own name on the cover, and peppered with idiot invented words with no history 1266143;1441676951;mircea_popescu;you are then fighting wqith the stupid to opress the smart. 1266144;1441676956;mircea_popescu;there's no neutrality in this matter. 1266145;1441676961;mircea_popescu;pick a side and die with it. you will. 1266146;1441677000;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119815 << oblig 1266147;1441677000;assbot;Logged on 04-05-2015 19:28:02; ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impr 1266148;1441677009;asciilifeform;(naggumism) 1266149;1441677043;asciilifeform;esr is ~the~ 'plowing fly' of linux. 1266150;1441677046;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1266151;1441677063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in terms of actual work done, rms is not that far behind 1266152;1441677070;mircea_popescu;and i don't mean code work. intellectual work altogether. 1266153;1441677084;mircea_popescu;he's not nearly the strategic mind he masturbares himself over. 1266154;1441677086;asciilifeform;meet esr in the flesh - the gasbag won't ever shut up about how his fingers were 'on everything.' -- and they were. 1266155;1441677091;asciilifeform;just not in the sense he claimed. 1266156;1441677102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eben moglen did 90% of what rms is famous for. 1266157;1441677161;asciilifeform;rms, interestingly, did to emacs something much like esr tried to do to the things he sprayed his piss on 1266158;1441677179;asciilifeform;emacs in a recognizable form long pre-dated rms. 1266159;1441677205;asciilifeform;but rms is a man of much greater talent, and isn't really a snake the way esr is. 1266160;1441677206;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265515 << also, they discovered the victims were actually white. 1266161;1441677206;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 19:40:08; ascii_field: 2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.' 1266162;1441677232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform me is unpersuaded as to this talent. 1266163;1441677279;asciilifeform;given as things did not turn to shit while they were in his hands - i must say yes 1266164;1441677292;asciilifeform;but i know neither of them personally. can only judge 'by their fruits.' 1266165;1441677325;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265534 << i've been having nothing but hot dentists! at least one was totally privy to this, ample cleavage. 1266166;1441677325;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 19:52:22; kakobrekla: find yourself a hot dentist. 1266167;1441677350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the man who digs into an untenable position may be well intended, but he is still not a talented commander. 1266168;1441677401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall that rms began long before 'personal' variety of computer was worth a sparrow's fart. 1266169;1441677422;asciilifeform;the present-day turn of events was not dreamt of. 1266170;1441677434;mircea_popescu;so ? 1266171;1441677438;mircea_popescu;talent means dreamt of. 1266172;1441677455;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265575 << ahaha for srs ? 1266173;1441677455;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 20:12:07; ascii_field: analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez 1266174;1441677461;asciilifeform;who, then, dreamt? the closest i can think of is weizenbaum 1266175;1441677491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. fella once known as b00lcrap. he swore he knew where he hid his key though, so he may yet come back to life. 1266176;1441677506;mircea_popescu;so that if no one is talented this crop we appoint one to tbe "most likely to be talented" ? 1266177;1441677512;mircea_popescu;either it is there or it is not there. 1266178;1441677514;mircea_popescu;was not there. 1266179;1441677518;asciilifeform;^ 1266180;1441677558;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1118807 1266181;1441677558;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 03:07:38; asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy 1266182;1441677641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'analmaster' is a double entendre 1266183;1441677650;asciilifeform;he's a reverser. 1266184;1441679100;deedbot-;[Qntra] Enhanced Spyware Comes to Older Versions of Windows - http://qntra.net/2015/09/enhanced-spyware-comes-to-older-versions-of-windows/ 1266185;1441679361;asciilifeform;KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 << win 1266186;1441680769;pete_dushenski;decent isner-federer match. 1266187;1441681300;mircea_popescu;ahahah what! 1266188;1441681422;pete_dushenski;i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm) 1266189;1441681659;asciilifeform;http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << again, for anyone who missed this, and is interested in 'derive' or 'mulisp'. this article was co-written by the authors of mulisp and derive! chock-full of implementation details and interesting lore. and yes, it is in pdf. and no, it cannot be represented in ascii. fuckyou buy a printer. 1266190;1441681661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3qt7C ) 1266191;1441681663;BingoBoingo;To be fair pete_dushenski Microsoft probably doesn't even know what they are ordered to put into patches anymore 1266192;1441681703;asciilifeform;i just finished the piece, it is a gem. 1266193;1441681706;pete_dushenski;bwahaha 'be fair' to microshit ? mkay. 1266194;1441681720;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: though i see where you're coming from 1266195;1441681748;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: microshit was never especially talkative re: exactly what was in the patches. 1266196;1441681782;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265836 << lol n00b 1266197;1441681782;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:25:01; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265811 <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date. 1266198;1441681790;BingoBoingo;Microshit is basically a Shrem, they signed the papers 1266199;1441681793;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there are gigantic farms of folks toiling, reversing microshit's patches 1266200;1441681801;*;ben_vulpes eyeskipped over 'me', is a derp 1266201;1441681803;ben_vulpes;my 1266202;1441681805;ben_vulpes;ack 1266203;1441681824;pete_dushenski;haha 1266204;1441681864;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i also learned that 'ti-92' is being sold by the bucketful on 'ebay', evidently it has fallen out of favour somewhere institutional 1266205;1441681873;BingoBoingo;interesting 1266206;1441681875;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i recall that you were an aficionado 1266207;1441681882;asciilifeform;it, btw, contains 'derive' 1266208;1441681889;asciilifeform;just as the 89 series did 1266209;1441681889;BingoBoingo;Yes, might have to go looking 1266210;1441681903;asciilifeform;i picked one up for ~25 usd not long ago 1266211;1441681909;asciilifeform;as all of my '89's wandered off 1266212;1441681911;asciilifeform;grew legs, they did. 1266213;1441681913;asciilifeform;years ago. 1266214;1441681941;mircea_popescu;"Perricones and later First United States Attorney and Chief of the Offices Criminal Division Jan Manns identities were uncovered by forensic comparison of their characteristic writing styles in the online comments and in court filings. The forensic expert in question had previously assisted the FBI in identifying the Unabomber." 1266215;1441681955;mircea_popescu;check it out. it wasn't actually even proven or anything. just, narratively reconstructed ex post facto 1266216;1441681975;asciilifeform;whazzis 1266217;1441681977;mircea_popescu;this may be the most outrageous perversion of justice yet. 1266218;1441681982;asciilifeform;where 1266219;1441681985;*;mircea_popescu looks forward to shooting usg agents for sport. 1266220;1441681998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that "cops shot white people so it's not a crime" thing, re katrina. 1266221;1441682003;asciilifeform;ah that thing 1266222;1441682018;asciilifeform;'course it's not a crime! they won't, after all, riot 1266223;1441682031;asciilifeform;won't destroy shops, etc 1266224;1441682239;asciilifeform;usa is, approximately, a safari preserve. yes, most of the inmates of the zoo will never be shot at, not directly. but every so often the keepers drive the jeep through the safari lands, shoot the most uppity beasts, sometimes invite friends for a sport hunt 1266225;1441682341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at the moment the shoot-for-sport thing is entirely in the other direction. 1266226;1441682346;mircea_popescu;trinque incidentally, re midnightmagic's question, i don't recall the format. was it the deeds get concatenated with \n as aseparator, sha512'd and that's the pubkey for the spend ? 1266227;1441682363;asciilifeform;lon horiuchi, for example, is a free man. 1266228;1441682368;asciilifeform;and prolly collecting a fat pension at this point 1266229;1441682401;mircea_popescu;other direction ? you kidding man, not shot as much as a bb round this way. 1266230;1441682420;mircea_popescu;and to use the most apropriate expression for this, which happens to be in romanian, "atita le si trebe'" 1266231;1441682596;trinque;mircea_popescu: it is sha256 of the bundle's deed joined by \n - which is used as a private key - from which the pubkey and address are produced 1266232;1441682602;trinque;*deeds 1266233;1441682647;mircea_popescu;aha 1266234;1441682661;mircea_popescu;check it out i had mostly all of it. 1266235;1441682665;BingoBoingo;trinque: Also the site prolly needs the deedbot funding address on it 1266236;1441682693;mircea_popescu;it's there 1266237;1441682698;asciilifeform;https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/william-norman-grigg/lon-horiuchi-american-sniper << for folks unfamiliar with the figure 1266238;1441682699;assbot;Lon Horiuchi: American Sniper – LewRockwell.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i95iH2 ) 1266239;1441682729;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dun see it 1266240;1441682780;trinque;it has the address to which spent, but I can add the other at the top there 1266241;1441682782;mircea_popescu;29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1 << i misreads that 1266242;1441682790;mircea_popescu;trinque srsly, make a faq. 1266243;1441682800;trinque;k I'll make it friendlier-er 1266244;1441682854;asciilifeform;'Horiuchis comrades offered the same defense of the FBI snipers murderous actions at Ruby Ridge. By killing Vicki, he acted to save lives, insisted fellow FBI sniper Dale Monroe. Like the unnamed Iraqi woman, Vicki must be regarded as a hateful, irrational, marginally human creature who simply didnt understand that when the Empire makes a proprietary claim on you and your family, it is not only a crime but a sin 1266245;1441682854;asciilifeform; to resist.' 1266246;1441682889;asciilifeform;'The FBIs theatrical professions of regret over Vickis death belied the fact that the battalion of combat-outfitted law enforcement personnel on the scene at Ruby Ridge celebrated the killing as a noble victory: With full knowledge that Mrs. Weaver was dead, they named their staging area Camp Vicki, and used a public address system to taunt Randy and his by pretending to speak on behalf of his dead wife.' 1266247;1441683078;mircea_popescu;trinque the requirement for people to be in the wot to use it ain't never going away. but the pressure to actually get in said wot is ever mounting. 1266248;1441683082;mircea_popescu;and will continue to mount indefinitely. 1266249;1441683108;trinque;indeed; I'll put something on it to point the way in 1266250;1441683127;mircea_popescu;up to and including surrounding holdsouts houses with monkeys in combat armor, killing their wives and bitches in no particular order and then impersonating them over the loudspeaker. 1266251;1441683136;mircea_popescu;and then when they cave and get in the wot, negrating them, of course. 1266252;1441683144;asciilifeform;l0l! 1266253;1441683146;trinque;hahaha 1266254;1441683157;mircea_popescu;i am my unsmiling face. 1266255;1441683185;trinque;I will certainly indicate on the site that joining the WoT is the next move if you want to use it. 1266256;1441683198;mircea_popescu;it's a start, before we buy some armor. 1266257;1441683243;mircea_popescu;but anyway, that's all for tonite, take it ezzy! 1266258;1441683252;trinque;gnite 1266259;1441683404;asciilifeform;http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/hires_mother_s_assassin_159.html << lulzy 1266260;1441683405;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i95UfO ) 1266261;1441683410;asciilifeform;nice fella. sells hunting equipment now. 1266262;1441683483;asciilifeform;btw, for the benefit of non-u.s. folk, i will explain that the missing piece in the 'why no public outrage then' puzzle is that most 'thinking' u.s. people reacted with 'if only the feds would burn EVERY fundamentalist loony church' 1266263;1441683706;asciilifeform;there is a good case to be made that a pro hitman like mr horiuchi is a considerably less-loathesome creature than a gavin who lies for money 1266264;1441683712;asciilifeform;but then again nobody asked me. 1266265;1441683728;thestringpuller;wow davout was right 1266266;1441683732;thestringpuller;#bitcoin-xt is full of lulz 1266267;1441683748;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: share a choice gibblet or two ? 1266268;1441683764;thestringpuller;sure 1266269;1441683765;thestringpuller;lemme dig 1266270;1441683860;thestringpuller;16:42 <@hearn> who said they had to? i don't have a dedicated connection. got 25 mbit/sec upstream 1266271;1441683866;thestringpuller;16:42 <@hearn> that's just a normal home connection, not even the fastest available 1266272;1441683885;asciilifeform;lol what a miser ! 1266273;1441683908;asciilifeform;then again, why would hearn need to host on his own box ??! 1266274;1441683913;asciilifeform;got thousands of willing chumps 1266275;1441683935;pete_dushenski;so he thinks. 1266276;1441684017;thestringpuller;oh another good one 1266277;1441684022;thestringpuller;from some rando in chan 1266278;1441684023;thestringpuller;17:44 < Tiraspol> when are my bitcoins gonna cost 1000$ each again 1266279;1441684025;thestringpuller;17:44 < Tiraspol> plz help 1266280;1441684094;asciilifeform;'when are your bitcoins gonna cost $1 again / plz help' 1266281;1441685196;pete_dushenski;"Starting last month, New York City began tracking about 400 people's driving habits, including how much gas they use, when they drive, where they are, and how fast their cars go. The program, called "Drive Smart," promises drivers discounts of up to 30 percent on their Allstate auto insurance, as well as "incentive rewards valued at $25," according to the program website. 1266282;1441685196;pete_dushenski;"The idea is to understand how people drive in the city"The program will also collect data on when a driver breaks hard or makes a sharp, fast turn. The idea, according to the New York Department of Transportation, is to understand how people drive in the city, in the hopes of solving traffic problems including NYC's famous gridlock." 1266283;1441685239;pete_dushenski;goddam that hellhole. no different than asciilifeform's 'voluntary a/c turnoff'. 1266284;1441685246;pete_dushenski;soon to be mandatory. 1266285;1441685390;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265019 1266286;1441685390;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 04:11:39; asciilifeform: and for the predictable game of hopscotch through various 'voluntary', 'voluntary-compulsory', finally compulsory belt-tightenings 1266287;1441685463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25370 @ 0.00073015 = 18.5239 BTC [-] {2} 1266288;1441686221;mats;its a popular thing 1266289;1441686298;mats;there are other car insurers who offer the device and will lower your rates if you drive predictably and safely 1266290;1441686700;BingoBoingo;It is not a popular thing. 1266291;1441687052;pete_dushenski;even if it were popular, that'd only put it in the facebook camp of 'retarded things lots of americans do because they're very nearly too stupid to breath and most definitely too stupid to know when they're being raped.' 1266292;1441687071;pete_dushenski;fuck vehicle tracking 1266293;1441687127;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+wake+me+up+when << i l0ll3d 1266294;1441687127;assbot;24 results for 'from:asciilifeform wake me up when' - #bitcoin-assets search 1266295;1441687127;pete_dushenski;then again, i say this as someone who wouldn't drive a car at all if i could only afford to drive a tracking beacon 1266296;1441687185;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: my understanding is that the tracking box is meant as a 'penal' thing for folks who had their rates go through the roof from chronically getting into wrecks - to try to get something like a sane price again 1266297;1441687228;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I thought it was scam they used to keep Normal Ordinary Responsible People paying instead of switching insurers 1266298;1441687259;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have yet to see this kind of thing alive. 1266299;1441687265;asciilifeform;and i live in the world scam capital. 1266300;1441687280;BingoBoingo;I've seen commercials 1266301;1441687316;BingoBoingo;But this seems more like a thing to turn reliable NORP customers into penal customers 1266302;1441687356;asciilifeform;at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile 1266303;1441687374;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: hehe, presumably via "As to the second point, that America > Europe because the former is in any way free of its own rent-seeking mandarin class, to quote an alf, look no further than USGavin, Paul Graham, Blablalawsky and their continued ability to buy groceries and pay rent." 1266304;1441687382;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: aha 1266305;1441687400;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: norp ? 1266306;1441687413;BingoBoingo; at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile << I've got a letter offering to switch to this if had "onstar" or OBDII dongle 1266307;1441687424;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Normal Ordinary Responsible Person 1266308;1441687449;asciilifeform;vs what? 1266309;1441687468;pete_dushenski;'folks who had their rates go through the roof from chronically getting into wrecks ' 1266310;1441687469;mats;http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/automotive-usage-based-insurance-ubi-market-report-2015-2025-insurance-telematics-and-the-connected-car-521384301.html 1266311;1441687471;assbot;Automotive Usage-Based Insurance (UBI) Market Report 2015-2025 Insurance Telematics and the Connected Car -- LONDON, August 11, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK2IWf ) 1266312;1441687471;asciilifeform;demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ? 1266313;1441687486;BingoBoingo; pete_dushenski: Normal Ordinary Responsible Person << vs. penal designated or blessed orcs 1266314;1441687502;mats;>new 228 page report assesses that the global market for automotive usage-based insurance (UBI) will account for 21.7 million policyholders in 2015, a significant increase over the 12.2 million policyholders accounted for in 2014. 1266315;1441687507;pete_dushenski;mats: do you have this ? 1266316;1441687507;BingoBoingo; demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ? << pretty much 1266317;1441687530;mats;no, I don't own a vehicle anymore 1266318;1441687537;asciilifeform;per-mile insurance would be a good deal for some folks - who almost never drive 1266319;1441687539;asciilifeform;e.g., my brother 1266320;1441687613;mats;when I do drive (carsharing program), yes, it is armed 1266321;1441688025;mats;I already own a smartphone, run Windows on a networked device for research work, operate computers downstream of pwned backbone, use credit cards, have bank account, and live in a city covered in public and private CCTV 1266322;1441688080;mats;being afraid of GPS on car would be ridiculous. 1266323;1441688142;pete_dushenski;for you. but you're nuts. 1266324;1441688196;pete_dushenski;mats: but how comes the pgp keyserver ? will it also be zany ? 1266325;1441688222;mats;am on iteration #3 1266326;1441688339;pete_dushenski;any timeline on completion ? 1266327;1441688390;mats;I thought it would be done two months ago 1266328;1441688408;pete_dushenski;now ? 1266329;1441688412;mats;am aiming for xmas. 1266330;1441688451;pete_dushenski;do you have other projects on the go ? 1266331;1441688606;mats;I'm looking for employment and reading intel manuals 1266332;1441688635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.000733 = 30.1996 BTC [+] {6} 1266333;1441688896;pete_dushenski;mats: what kind of work are you in search of ? 1266334;1441688933;mats;jr sysadmin roles mostly 1266335;1441688962;mats;what I'd like to be doing a year from now would be entry level appsec work 1266336;1441689005;mats;so I'm fighting several battles on different fronts, lots of 17 hour days for the foreseeable future 1266337;1441689117;mats;the smart play would be to take the next year off and study, produce projects, but it is hard to gauge how my competency will advance in that time 1266338;1441689237;pete_dushenski;if you can afford the time off, i doubt a year of autodidacticism would be wasted. 1266339;1441689274;pete_dushenski;"An Uberized education is when --as in antiquity -- one goes to a specific teacher to get lectures, bypassing the university. The students and the teachers are thus matched. If a piece of paper is necessary, it would be given by *that* teacher, or a group of teachers. It is not too different from the decentralized apprentice model." -herr taleb 1266340;1441689299;pete_dushenski;though it'd obviously help if you had a teacher, mats 1266341;1441689464;pete_dushenski;http://www.theawl.com/2014/10/interpreting-the-animal-choices-on-the-worlds-most-popular-programming-books << o'reilly covers only. 1266342;1441689465;assbot;Interpreting the Animal Choices on the World's Most Popular Programming Books - The Awl ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuPfbE ) 1266343;1441689525;mats;I'm an anticipating an offer from a boston private univ with a number of decent security researchers so I will be hounding them given the opportunity 1266344;1441689615;mats;also auditing some mit security courses but the instructors don't seem to have time for me 1266345;1441689674;pete_dushenski;well, that's all for me this eve. bon soir ! 1266346;1441690076;mats;mebbe ill have more luck in the fall 1266347;1441690648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 137 @ 0.00841001 = 1.1522 BTC [-] 1266348;1441691268;mats;https://imgur.com/QC51FZz 1266349;1441691269;assbot;[TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS ) 1266350;1441691742;BingoBoingo;Oh, BitBet has a new Sport Bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/ 1266351;1441691742;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (16%) on Yes, 1.07 B (84%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`946 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKaf7t ) 1266352;1441692627;BingoBoingo;Also little action here https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ 1266353;1441692627;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (98%) on Yes, 2.56 B (2%) on No | closing in 9 months 3 weeks | weight: 94`968 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq ) 1266354;1441694171;BingoBoingo;Marching Dong https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--y4MUeXBk--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ytloa1iyufjtyhffxiqt.jpg 1266355;1441694172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKeuQz ) 1266356;1441695622;punkman;http://au.idigitaltimes.com/malware-found-pre-installed-xiaomi-huawei-lenovo-phones-107190 1266357;1441695623;assbot;Malware Found Pre-Installed on Xiaomi, Huawei, Lenovo Phones ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKh219 ) 1266358;1441695772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6436 @ 0.00073483 = 4.7294 BTC [+] 1266359;1441696719;punkman;http://imgur.com/IbmcCgH 1266360;1441696720;assbot;I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 ) 1266361;1441696784;punkman;"was designed by Akisato Ueda for a Japanese drive-in called Azuma in 1975" 1266362;1441697250;punkman;https://chessdailynews.com/morse-code-chess-cheating/ 1266363;1441698256;funkenstein_;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/25TAZHG.txt 1266364;1441698257;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKlVHj ) 1266365;1441698350;funkenstein_;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/25TAZHG.txt 1266366;1441698351;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKlVHj ) 1266367;1441698398;funkenstein_;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt 1266368;1441698400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcrXA ) 1266369;1441698400;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1266370;1441698437;funkenstein_;thanks for support trinque, apologies for deedbot noobage 1266371;1441698445;funkenstein_;punkman, lol 1266372;1441698692;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266083 <-- bump :) 1266373;1441698692;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 01:33:57; mircea_popescu: this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck. 1266374;1441698781;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one 1266375;1441698781;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:39:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it. 1266376;1441699355;*;funkenstein_ gets his kicks on bip66 1266377;1441699408;funkenstein_;if I ever plan to rotor west 1266378;1441699591;punkman;http://40.media.tumblr.com/54308302be0c0021cf7d6f5c4980c50b/tumblr_mpcb2b4cd81ryflmqo1_1280.jpg 1266379;1441699592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKo45W ) 1266380;1441703397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073758 = 6.1957 BTC [+] 1266381;1441703721;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265671 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265675 ya never raced for pinks so that you could buy some racing slicks, racing manifold and defeat the king and win his corvette? 1266382;1441703721;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 21:23:09; shinohai: BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/PdzPuTM.jpg 1266383;1441703721;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 21:24:39; analmaster: please provide some context 1266384;1441704780;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/news/article_email/inside-ubers-fight-with-its-chinese-nemesis-didi-kuaidi-1441234010-lMyQjAxMTE1OTA2MzEwMTM3Wj 1266385;1441704782;assbot;Inside Uber’s Fight With Its Chinese Nemesis, Didi Kuaidi - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NffMjB ) 1266386;1441706134;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266188 <<< pretty much stand on iphone.. patch notes always "bux fixes and improvements" and that's it, no actual list 1266387;1441706134;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 03:03:42; pete_dushenski: i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm) 1266388;1441706140;cazalla;standard even 1266389;1441706270;jurov;!rate mats 1 prolific coinbr user 1266390;1441706270;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a776067de9fe727 1266391;1441706311;jurov;!v assbot:jurov.rate.mats.1:308359bd6aec6767c989d08376a2b05806749428f6dd411c62465e418a03a293 1266392;1441706311;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: prolific coinbr user 1266393;1441706386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073596 = 9.2731 BTC [-] {2} 1266394;1441711293;shinohai;;;ticker 1266395;1441711294;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.03, Best ask: 245.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 245.02, 24 hour volume: 13483.29700528, 24 hour low: 240.22, 24 hour high: 247.68, 24 hour vwap: None 1266396;1441715937;shinohai;http://coinname.me/ <<< Poorly researched white papers and scam IPO not included. 1266397;1441715938;assbot;Coin Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1iugyxO ) 1266398;1441717183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.0007357 = 1.2507 BTC [-] 1266399;1441718708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00073926 = 1.6264 BTC [+] {2} 1266400;1441719093;funkenstein_;;;later tell pete_dushenski thanks for reading and comments :) 1266401;1441719093;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1266402;1441719155;funkenstein_;the vocabulary of "sleeve" as vehicle of consciousness originated in Richard K Morgan's "Takeshi Kovac" trilogy 1266403;1441719200;funkenstein_;which while admittedly could be dismissed as cyberpunk pulp with a 7th grade vocabulary, I still claim kicks ass 1266404;1441719220;funkenstein_;and has some of the best sex and violence this side of Sagittarius A 1266405;1441719243;funkenstein_;and some scathing social commentary, which I believe if you are as much a fan of the writing of mircea_popescu as I am, you will enjoy 1266406;1441719369;funkenstein_;As to the sabidura indgena, it's not worth tying people down to lecture them any more than it is to stick bitcoins up some random grandmother's ass 1266407;1441719420;funkenstein_;her ignorance can only be cured by intellectual curiosity, from which obtaining of relevant literature is sure to follow 1266408;1441719498;funkenstein_;*Kovacs 1266409;1441719580;funkenstein_;until then, she can stick with "usg is great because kills", "socialism is great because CERN", and "I am valuable because bipedal mouthbreather with below average epidermal albedo" 1266410;1441719586;funkenstein_;a comfort zone I never found very compelling 1266411;1441720937;*;funkenstein_ would like to hear what kind of "sept. 23" nonsense y'all have come across in dredging the intertubes 1266412;1441722654;thestringpuller;!s asciilifeform password generation 1266413;1441722655;assbot;0 results for 'asciilifeform password generation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+password+generation 1266414;1441722657;shinohai;Finally my node makes it past height 300k \o/ 1266415;1441722662;thestringpuller;!s asciilifeform passphrase generation 1266416;1441722662;assbot;0 results for 'asciilifeform passphrase generation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+passphrase+generation 1266417;1441722674;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: any recommendations on this subject? 1266418;1441722709;asciilifeform;hm? 1266419;1441722731;asciilifeform;what exactly is the objective ? 1266420;1441722742;asciilifeform;(i.e. does it need to be human-memorable?) 1266421;1441722798;thestringpuller;do you mind explaining difference in proper methodology for both? (non-human memorable and human memorable) 1266422;1441722837;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if non-memorable, then just take favourite rng and encode output in such a way that it can be re-entered via a keyboard 1266423;1441722863;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265949 << it's even better than you could possibly know, alf. the things can be had for being white, female, and taking 50k in loans out per year while studying art. 1266424;1441722863;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 00:59:04; asciilifeform: trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's 1266425;1441722886;asciilifeform;as for memorable passwords, i cannot possibly give any useful advice other than 'know more than one and preferably more than two languages' 1266426;1441722913;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what about pi memorization method? Make non human readable and just memorize it like trying to go for exam. 1266427;1441722920;asciilifeform;also works. it is an intensely personal matter 1266428;1441722928;thestringpuller;i see. 1266429;1441722942;asciilifeform;learn basic 'mnemonism' if you have not already learned. 1266430;1441723283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00074001 = 13.3202 BTC [+] {5} 1266431;1441723486;Naphex;o/ 1266432;1441723669;ben_vulpes;wb 1266433;1441724015;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front 1266434;1441724015;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 04:44:31; asciilifeform: demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ? 1266435;1441724022;ben_vulpes;morning, mike_c 1266436;1441724816;mike_c;good morning 1266437;1441725011;thestringpuller;you west coasters 1266438;1441725015;thestringpuller;it's almost lunch time here 1266439;1441727473;Naphex;lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o 1266440;1441727486;Naphex;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k0w8r/psa_in_the_last_few_days_someone_has_been/ 1266441;1441727488;assbot;PSA: in the last few days, someone has been spamming a (probably fraudulent, or at least very dishonest) proprietary webcam streaming site advertisements to /r/bitcoin and downvoting any mentions of an open-source decentralized alternative. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KC9ag8 ) 1266442;1441727666;Naphex;for the lulz 1266443;1441728025;shinohai;lol Naphex good one. 1266444;1441728055;shinohai;I loved how they pushed that shit so hard for weeks and 99% of the time it never worked. 1266445;1441728110;*;shinohai offers streamium a Band-Aid for teh butthurt ( ::: [ ] ::: ) 1266446;1441728174;Naphex;hehe 1266447;1441728187;Naphex;and that's why i'm guessing they are getting downvoted 1266448;1441728326;Naphex;fun thing is streamium guys were all on xotika 1266449;1441728336;Naphex;and tried to get models to do streamium 1266450;1441728349;Naphex;oh come use streamium, you get 100% 1266451;1441728472;Naphex;oh well atleast i loled 1266452;1441728478;Naphex;i'll copy the bandaid and pass it on 1266453;1441728571;shinohai;:D 1266454;1441730091;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1266455;1441730310;ascii_field;https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=QizxwEAAAAAJ&hl=en << spiffy 1266456;1441730311;assbot;David R. Stoutemyer - Google Scholar Citations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ng3XJR ) 1266457;1441730319;ascii_field;but go and find most of'em 1266458;1441730829;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all... 1266459;1441731266;ascii_field;i would like to try to convince david stoutmemyer to publish 'derive' src, or albert rich to publish 'mulisp''s 1266460;1441731295;ascii_field;very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them. 1266461;1441732341;Apocalyptic;!up ascii_field 1266462;1441732353;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, any handy tricks to boot that derive img with qemu ? 1266463;1441732375;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: qemu-system-x86_64 -fda image.img 1266464;1441732597;Apocalyptic;same result as with qemu-system-i386 that I originally tried, SeaBios fails with "Non-system disk or disk error" 1266465;1441732611;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: did you ungzip it ? 1266466;1441732634;Apocalyptic;although qemu warns about "prohibiting raw", I guess that's the bugger, will investigate it... 1266467;1441732638;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, please :) 1266468;1441732651;ascii_field;and make sure my pgp sig verifies. 1266469;1441732725;Apocalyptic;"WARNING: Image format was not specified for 'derive_and_more.img' and probing guessed raw." for reference 1266470;1441732756;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: did not answer my questions 1266471;1441732765;ascii_field;1) did you ungzip it 2) did you verify my pgp sig 1266472;1441732770;Apocalyptic;yes I did ungzip it 1266473;1441732783;Apocalyptic;I will proceed to verify the sig 1266474;1441732791;ascii_field;also what ver qemu ? 1266475;1441732794;ascii_field;on your box 1266476;1441732811;Apocalyptic;QEMU emulator version 2.4.0 1266477;1441732833;ascii_field;and did you run -fda image.img 1266478;1441732838;ascii_field;because -hda will not work. 1266479;1441732885;ascii_field;btw this is a 100% standard bootable floppy image created by genuine msdos 6.22 1266480;1441732896;Apocalyptic;crap that was it, thank you 1266481;1441732903;ascii_field;np 1266482;1441734309;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1266483;1441735672;ascii_field;http://l.avala.mp/blog/ghost-got-secrets-ghostbins-guts-part-1 << mega-l0l 1266484;1441735674;assbot;Ghost Got Secrets - Ghostbin's Guts Part 1 | Lavalamp's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuSEC9 ) 1266485;1441736789;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1266486;1441737008;ascii_field;https://github.com/therealmik/batchgcd << anyone know this fella ? 1266487;1441737009;assbot;therealmik/batchgcd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuVPtA ) 1266488;1441737107;trinque;;;later tell mircea_popescu made some updates to deedbot.org, added F.A.Q. which will grow more today. Of particular note, more sensible URLs, and a separate download for each bundle as it was hashed. 1266489;1441737108;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1266490;1441737197;trinque;curl http://deedbot.org/bundle-372720.txt | python gen-addr.py 1266491;1441737198;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZrRZ6 ) 1266492;1441737340;trinque;http://dpaste.com/2N3RCW3.txt << example gen-addr.py, using pybitcointools 1266493;1441737341;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZs5Qa ) 1266494;1441737374;trinque;I'll probably write my own eventually so to not rely on a 3rd party module, but works fine 1266495;1441737427;trinque;http://deedbot.org/deed-372589-1.txt << example deed URL; this bundle had two total 1266496;1441737428;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZsbqU ) 1266497;1441737439;trinque;all previous URL schemes will continue to work. 1266498;1441737528;ben_vulpes;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/know-your-language-c-rules-everything-around-me-part-one 1266499;1441737529;assbot;Know Your Language: C Rules Everything Around Me (Part One) | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZsj9L ) 1266500;1441737635;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261766 << The Bible has the best rules. I would much rather live in a kingdom that enforced Old Testement law on its citizens 1266501;1441737635;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 20:08:37; trinque: phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed. 1266502;1441737673;ascii_field;danielpbarron: before you move there, verify that none of your clothing is made of mixed fiber... 1266503;1441737715;danielpbarron;well I'm not a Levite so.. 1266504;1441737722;ascii_field;could prove embarrassing, to be stoned to death in the public square for such a rookie mistake 1266505;1441737740;danielpbarron;I should be stoned to death for adultery 1266506;1441737746;danielpbarron;so that bridge is already crossed 1266507;1441737762;ascii_field;iirc that one can already be arranged in a few places 1266508;1441737767;ascii_field;make an appointment 1266509;1441737770;danielpbarron;I'd happily be the first stoned in the newly formed Christian kingdom 1266510;1441737834;trinque;danielpbarron: I would approve of a sensible set of rules imposed in small (say city-sized) geographic areas, not necessarily Old Testament. 1266511;1441737845;trinque;common people left to their own devices have no idea how to live. 1266512;1441737846;danielpbarron;the places that execute adulterers also forbid actually practicing Christianity -- not allowed to say that Islam is a false religion that leads millions to hell 1266513;1441738146;kakobrekla;l0l 1266514;1441738305;shinohai;I propose that reps from all major world religions duke it out in cage match so I know which one to follow. 1266515;1441738345;jurov;danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian 1266516;1441738432;jurov;you want orthodox judaism... and not sure one can actually convert to 1266517;1441738746;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1266518;1441738779;jurov;And it shall come to pass as it was written "Leviticus 20:13 If a man lays with another man, he should be stoned" - that marijuana and gay merriage were legalized on the same day 1266519;1441738779;shinohai;If God wanted me to worship him, surely he would send me an email or something. 1266520;1441738789;shinohai;^ 1266521;1441738822;jurov;shinohai: check your spam folder 1266522;1441738832;jurov;He wishes to improve your manhood! 1266523;1441738865;*;shinohai checks spam folder, pants ... 1266524;1441738946;shinohai;I'll make a 1GOD vanitygen address. If 1 BTC magically appears on it then there's my proof. 1266525;1441738965;jurov;that won't be magical 1266526;1441738984;shinohai;I would do 1Jehovah but that would take too long to mine. 1266527;1441739016;jurov;magical would be if you made 1IAcceptJesusAsMyL0rd14527 , received btc there and were able to spend it :) 1266528;1441739020;ascii_field;reminds me of a suspicion i've had, 1266529;1441739045;shinohai;lol jurov 1266530;1441739058;ascii_field;that if hugh everett were alive today, he might build a machine that tests rng output for being the privkey to a fat btc balance, and shoots him in the head if it fails 1266531;1441739091;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266081 1266532;1441739091;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 01:33:39; mircea_popescu: they're just numerous and don't give a fuck. 1266533;1441739126;jurov;yes, had in mind to check linux /dev/urandom without any entropy source in such a way 1266534;1441739201;ascii_field;if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key. 1266535;1441739255;Naphex;XOtika.tv report (for the interested): Opened for 3 months, 43.6588 BTC total tipped. 3 BTC the largest single tip; 28348 sessions started, 563 members registered, 263 channels created. 0.7751 BTC payout towards affiliates. 1266536;1441739341;jurov;Naphex: aiming for mpex ipo? 1266537;1441739359;jurov;!t m S.XOTI 1266538;1441739359;assbot;Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you? 1266539;1441739379;Naphex;jurov: yep 1266540;1441739390;Naphex;want to build the user base and product more 1266541;1441739400;Naphex;before 1266542;1441739473;ascii_field;https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-September/009048.html << now i see what mircea_popescu meant, re: gutmann 1266543;1441739474;assbot;Possible crypto backdoor in RFC-2631 Diffie-Hellman Key Agreement Method ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVTzoS ) 1266544;1441739481;shinohai;btw if God sends me BTC jurov, I will definitely deposit to coinbr. Divine coin is sure to grow. 1266545;1441739835;ascii_field;http://revolution-news.com/barrett-brown-vs-the-dept-of-justice-defining-the-right-to-link << unrelated. 1266546;1441739836;assbot;Barrett Brown vs. the Dept of Justice – Defining the Right To Link ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVUbef ) 1266547;1441740059;thestringpuller;i love how people think the consumer matters 1266548;1441740601;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k29is/a_blockchain_speed_of_5227_transactions_per/cuue2nh << this person really believes the consumer matters 1266549;1441740668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18458 @ 0.00074167 = 13.6897 BTC [+] {3} 1266550;1441741088;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com consumer has come to expect 1266551;1441741089;gribble;The mobile "revolution", or what consumers have come to expect on ...: ; What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like ...: ; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility on Trilema (1 more message) 1266552;1441741103;thestringpuller;;;more 1266553;1441741103;gribble;- A blog by Mircea ...: 1266554;1441741541;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1266555;1441741553;ascii_field;https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-August/008918.html << poor naive schmuck 1266556;1441741555;assbot;Open Fabs ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHDWrM ) 1266557;1441741696;mircea_popescu;trinque nice! 1266558;1441741805;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/2xv66Sm.gifv 1266559;1441741806;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lid4VV ) 1266560;1441741893;ascii_field;https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-July/008215.html << lulz 1266561;1441741895;assbot;Jim Bell vindicated ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lidfk1 ) 1266562;1441742641;funkenstein_;gaming! 1266563;1441742863;punkman;ascii_field: what did Jim Bell do? 1266564;1441742878;ascii_field;punkman: wrote 'assassination politics' essay. 1266565;1441742892;ascii_field;punkman: usg then 'sewed a case' for him and jailed. 1266566;1441742986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0007419 = 4.674 BTC [+] 1266567;1441743020;funkenstein_;is there any hope for augur.net? 1266568;1441743030;mircea_popescu;what is augur.net ? 1266569;1441743057;funkenstein_;decentralized prediction market, or so claims 1266570;1441743071;mircea_popescu;none. 1266571;1441743103;funkenstein_;:( well i suppose an act of purest optimism for me to have asked 1266572;1441743121;mircea_popescu;that's not the exact quote :) 1266573;1441743130;mircea_popescu;they're brits, see ? "to have asked in the first place" 1266574;1441743149;funkenstein_;aha thank you 1266575;1441743178;funkenstein_;tell me sir, do you in fact have any decentralized prediction market at all? 1266576;1441743227;funkenstein_;"crowdfund" + glossy website and I didn't look further 1266577;1441743257;mircea_popescu;"market" and "decentralized" go together like "great guy with a great sense of humor that will treat you with the respect you deserve" and "a lot of sex" 1266578;1441743288;funkenstein_;rofl 1266579;1441743326;mircea_popescu;every[one,twerp,clueless derp,idiot,internet dog] thinks this is how it goes. and you hear about it, because [somehow] they have all the time in the world to tell you it is so. 1266580;1441743372;mircea_popescu;otherwise, markets are by definition centralized. this is what they do : they centralize trade. you wish decentralized, stick to barter. 1266581;1441743374;funkenstein_;I have noticed markets are places that people go, rather than vice versa 1266582;1441743392;mircea_popescu;(and the reason there isn't such a thing as "a barter market" should be illuminating for the whole thing) 1266583;1441743511;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1266584;1441743527;ascii_field;https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there. 1266585;1441743528;assbot;črypto is finished... and it's about time × (also: 'Balrog' malnet, firsthand view) - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LifQur ) 1266586;1441743543;ascii_field;'Corruptor-Injector Networks' 1266587;1441743583;ascii_field;thing is (and not much of a spoiler) - it reads 100% shannonized. 1266588;1441743636;ascii_field;one of the necessary things a wot will do for the 'cpunks' folks, if they have collectively half a brain, is to weed out the schizos 1266589;1441743657;ascii_field;it is they who are (whether aware of it or not) usg's intellectual shock troops 1266590;1441743662;ascii_field;as per the 'crank bait' thread. 1266591;1441743886;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/tDSX24E.jpg (-__-) 1266592;1441743887;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ib4Yb3 ) 1266593;1441743938;Apocalyptic;shinohai, lol, where is that from ? 1266594;1441743987;shinohai;was browsing imgur. Left me wtf 1266595;1441744043;shinohai;Must be a question on the applied mathematics section of Andrew Miller's bitcoin exam. 1266596;1441744206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074122 = 8.3387 BTC [-] 1266597;1441744644;danielpbarron;jurov> danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian << uh.. yes it most certainly is. What is called judaism today is a false religion that split off in rejection of Christ 1266598;1441744678;mike_c;Naphex: congrats! that's a great first few months. 1266599;1441744695;Naphex;mike_c: thanks! you never /msg'd me about that 1266600;1441744736;jurov;hasn't Christ put in place new commandments that makes all the rules in Leviticus (and these were for priests, anyway) obsolete? 1266601;1441744740;mike_c;I did not, sorry. I decided to use a crappy subsitute for the moment, and if things work out then talk to you about getting something better. 1266602;1441744762;Naphex;rgr, well any time 1266603;1441744950;danielpbarron;jurov, salvation is not achieved through strict adherence to the OT law, but it is still good law to enforce 1266604;1441745190;*;BingoBoingo likes mixed fiber cloth too much for danielpbarron land 1266605;1441745197;mats;my mother is on a missionary trip in myanmar 1266606;1441745223;mats;i don't have the heart to tell her she's a tourist 1266607;1441745240;mats;orc sight-seeing 1266608;1441745396;kakobrekla;yeah salvation is achieved by killing infidels. 1266609;1441745416;shinohai;Allah snackbar 1266610;1441745474;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1266611;1441745537;danielpbarron;salvation is achieved by believing The Bible, and only God can make you do that 1266612;1441745561;kakobrekla;cause santa said so. 1266613;1441745566;mats;alright, man 1266614;1441745604;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261836 << this is true. Most self-described Christians are on the broad path to hell 1266615;1441745604;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 20:41:27; phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"? 1266616;1441745628;kakobrekla;and all self described christians are delusional 1266617;1441745645;mats;shots fired 1266618;1441745796;jurov;99% of bible material was invented by sumerians and egyptians first, anyway 1266619;1441745822;kakobrekla;NO IT WAS JEEBUS! 1266620;1441745849;kakobrekla;santa did the footnotes tho 1266621;1441745865;Naphex;:D 1266622;1441745899;danielpbarron;santa isn't mentioned in the Bible at all. that and the whole christmas thing are totally wicked abominations. see: http://www.atruechurch.info/christmas.html 1266623;1441745901;assbot;A True Church - Christmas ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUKIJM ) 1266624;1441746040;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i heard jesus was born in the summer. 1266625;1441746061;*;danielpbarron shrugs 1266626;1441746076;thestringpuller;“Actually Grandad Christmas is a pagan holiday and Jesus probably hates you for celebrating it.” 1266627;1441746085;thestringpuller;“The truth is Christmas evolved from the Roman holiday Saturnalia, a winter festival where men gave gifts to each other. They also would get drunk, have sex with each other and beat their wives” 1266628;1441746105;ben_vulpes;i'm enjoying watching the bible thumper and windows enthusiast go at each other 1266629;1441746126;mats;am i the windows enthusiast 1266630;1441746131;mats;or is it thestringpuller 1266631;1441746176;ben_vulpes;"if you have to ask" (tm) 1266632;1441746194;jurov;what's surprising on christmas being pagan winter solstice adoption? 1266633;1441746195;mats;you hate me 1266634;1441746211;thestringpuller;that was a quote from "The Boondocks" (tm) 1266635;1441746276;*;mircea_popescu will have to make a 2nd pass on alf's link 1266636;1441746290;mircea_popescu;mike_c where do you see ? 1266637;1441746423;mike_c;mircea_popescu: hm? did you mean me? 1266638;1441746442;mircea_popescu;yeah, wheredja see naphex's first months or wut ? 1266639;1441746456;mike_c;oh, 20 lines up. 43 btc in tips 1st 3 months 1266640;1441746587;mircea_popescu;oh oh. /me gets to reading log. 1266641;1441746663;BingoBoingo;Isn't santa the one who tells Jebus to pick on Steve Job 1266642;1441746818;BingoBoingo;From Nebraska: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24108/ 1266643;1441746820;assbot;Feminist research fellow: Put all men 'in some kind of camp' - The College Fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUOent ) 1266644;1441746954;mircea_popescu;yeah. the some kind of camp is called "the world". 1266645;1441746967;mircea_popescu;and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao. 1266646;1441746982;trinque;http://www.radfemcollective.org/ << "positively revolting women" ahahahha 1266647;1441746983;assbot;RadFem Collective ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHVYKy ) 1266648;1441746994;trinque;what more needs be said? 1266649;1441747018;mircea_popescu;it is kinda lulzy. 1266650;1441747073;jurov;http://imgur.com/x6qYB3J handicraft!!! 1266651;1441747074;assbot;Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHWlEJ ) 1266652;1441747167;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266584 << can almost smell the sweat reading this. excellent propaganda re: "nothing is beyond our reach" 1266653;1441747167;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 20:18:47; ascii_field: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there. 1266654;1441747328;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1266655;1441747441;BingoBoingo; and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao. << Get with the times. It is called the GynoDome Sponsored by Hoveround Mobility Scooters now. 1266656;1441747551;mircea_popescu;heh mkay. 1266657;1441747954;mircea_popescu;wow check that out, the drawing chick delivered. anyone in europe want to send 100 euros via sepa for me plox ? 1266658;1441747964;mircea_popescu;jurov ? davout ? williamdunne ? 1266659;1441748174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote : 1266660;1441748176;mircea_popescu;" err I mean "searching the web," is enough to turn up some pretty solid knowledge on any imaginable infosec topic, from post-quantum cryptographic systems to gritty OpSec-spy advice, and off to baked-in processor hardware attack models." 1266661;1441748235;mircea_popescu;the fact that they list 3 items, all three being from the list of usg-pretend-issues as opposed to the list of actual issues resolves to my mind the propaganda vs information dilemma. this is in no way related to reality, and entirely the result of how someoine wants reality to appear. any similarities to actual reality being purely coincidental. 1266662;1441748251;mircea_popescu;seriously, not even MENTION the bios, or the hard drive firmware ? 1266663;1441748280;mircea_popescu;obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure. 1266664;1441748339;mircea_popescu;i'm thus marking cryptostorm as a russia today of another failgroup. 1266665;1441748493;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266284 << i r lulzed at the "Valued at $25". srsly ? that's what, 1/10000 of yearly rent ? lkulz. 1266666;1441748493;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 04:07:26; pete_dushenski: soon to be mandatory. 1266667;1441748558;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266302 <<< that's definitely where this is headed. 1266668;1441748558;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 04:42:36; asciilifeform: at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile 1266669;1441748593;mircea_popescu;somehow they don't insure people per-pound, because women are fat. but they want to sell insurance per mile. because the people who drive more also don't hold their knees together in the subway. 1266670;1441748717;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266327 < :)) 1266671;1441748717;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 04:59:50; mats: I thought it would be done two months ago 1266672;1441748765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it. 1266673;1441748765;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 05:08:53; mats: jr sysadmin roles mostly 1266674;1441748772;mircea_popescu;you wanna go ? 1266675;1441748825;deedbot-;[Trilema] The importance of backups, from the other side. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/ 1266676;1441748901;mats;looks like a good plan. in a few years. 1266677;1441748904;mircea_popescu;https://imgur.com/QC51FZz << dude , the fact that anyone EVEN CONSIDERS using retarded github after something like this... 1266678;1441748908;assbot;[TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS ) 1266679;1441748923;mircea_popescu;im going to start negrating people for having github stuff. 1266680;1441748996;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266360 << for the record this is pretty much how a third to a half of "start-ups" get a logo afaik. 1266681;1441748996;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 07:18:40; assbot: I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 ) 1266682;1441749078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266374 << seafaring people discovered new world, collected protons, went home. 1266683;1441749078;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 07:53:01; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one 1266684;1441749199;funkenstein_;aha 1266685;1441749241;mircea_popescu;for the record, albedo measures reflectivity. below average albedo would mean she's brown. that what you meant ? 1266686;1441749266;funkenstein_;well starfaring peoples might have different motivations and abilities, but I probably shouldn't speculate 1266687;1441749271;funkenstein_;er, I spoke in error 1266688;1441749275;funkenstein_;thanks 1266689;1441749352;funkenstein_;works either way though 1266690;1441749449;TheNewDeal;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250716 I saw this off much too late. I'm typically trying to partially sell out my own positions in profitable/risky bets that I have made 1266691;1441749449;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 20:45:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D 1266692;1441749460;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266433 << that's just nuts. why no abs ? 1266693;1441749460;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 14:53:35; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front 1266694;1441749483;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal so you don't buy, just sell ? 1266695;1441749507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium 1266696;1441749507;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 15:51:13; Naphex: lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o 1266697;1441749544;TheNewDeal;I may be interested in making offers 1266698;1441749546;mircea_popescu;"In these threads, messages advertising xotika.tv get enormous number of upvotes very fast (way too fast to be legitimate) and the site itself is a fraud - there are a number of different links advertised, for example...:" 1266699;1441749548;BingoBoingo; ... << that's just nuts. why no abs ? << ben_vulpes has a vehicle too old for it 1266700;1441749553;mircea_popescu;oh xotika is a fraud now ? 1266701;1441749572;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah but i mean... that's kinda like the house too old for plumbing. 1266702;1441749611;mircea_popescu;but i lulzed at the "open source decentralized" derp's butthurt. 1266703;1441749620;BingoBoingo;Some houses are too old to economically get plumbing 1266704;1441749622;mircea_popescu;such great sense of humor and stuff, too. whai no success! 1266705;1441749634;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266695 <<< Another shitty cam stream for btc service which never worked. 1266706;1441749634;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 21:58:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium 1266707;1441749666;TheNewDeal;i'll pay you .146 for that whole position of 1 BTC @ 65k 1266708;1441749686;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\ 1266709;1441749686;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 16:47:09; ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all... 1266710;1441749687;TheNewDeal;gotta be jewish though, I've already taken the other side 1266711;1441749728;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal i actually like it > 1 btc. 1266712;1441749760;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266460 << this is actually sensible, yes. 1266713;1441749760;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 16:54:55; ascii_field: very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them. 1266714;1441749809;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266473 << do that first form now on. best habit you could form for your future hapiness. sig verify goes first. 1266715;1441749809;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 17:19:43; Apocalyptic: I will proceed to verify the sig 1266716;1441749890;TheNewDeal;I'm just going to ride it out, right now I'm getting paid out of the bet ends No 1266717;1441749921;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266506 <<< wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh. 1266718;1441749921;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 18:42:26; danielpbarron: so that bridge is already crossed 1266719;1441750062;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266534 << the final population of the universe is thus one. just, not the same one across the multiverses. 1266720;1441750062;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 19:06:41; ascii_field: if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key. 1266721;1441750091;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266539 << i can see it. 1266722;1441750091;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 19:09:39; Naphex: jurov: yep 1266723;1441750158;cazalla;i thought it was only adultery if you are married 1266724;1441750243;mircea_popescu;no. adultery is when you are fucking other than your wife. 1266725;1441750259;cazalla;danielpbarron is married? 1266726;1441750268;mircea_popescu;no, hence his conclusion. 1266727;1441750608;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: who knows what 0days lurk in the abs controller. 1266728;1441750629;ben_vulpes;this car has no (zero!) robots in between me and the wheels. 1266729;1441750635;ben_vulpes;i forgot this the other day. 1266730;1441751494;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1266731;1441751525;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266659 << lol didja miss the part where i said it is a shannonized output ? 1266732;1441751525;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 21:36:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote : 1266733;1441751561;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266672 << mongolia has what, tcp-over-dead-goat modem ? 1266734;1441751561;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 21:46:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it. 1266735;1441751613;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266708 << i don't know for a fact that s. is alive 1266736;1441751613;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\ 1266737;1441751716;punkman;http://www.legbacore.com/ 1266738;1441751717;assbot;LegbaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1NowuhV ) 1266739;1441751750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess i must have. 1266740;1441751837;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller gotta love it whgen you try to explain a few points to a redditard and he comes back with pure "i don't want to think!!!" on a stick. 1266741;1441751926;TheNewDeal;!down 1266742;1441751931;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal 1266743;1441752349;*;BingoBoingo has a few million satoshis on Venus to beat Serena. It's been a while, so might as well try this again to remind myself why I stopped. 1266744;1441753179;deedbot-;[Qntra] Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa - http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/ 1266745;1441753626;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, wise words, indeed I should have 1266746;1441754316;ben_vulpes;mats: why do you think i hate you? 1266747;1441754398;ben_vulpes;do you think that i hate danielpbarron? 1266748;1441754518;danielpbarron;cazalla> danielpbarron is married? << lol no. Adultery is when a woman sleeps with a man who isn't her husband 1266749;1441754558;mats;ben_vulpes: just joking. 1266750;1441754587;shinohai;danielpbarron be unmarried, that would be *fornication* 1266751;1441754756;ben_vulpes;more baffled than anything some days, mats. 1266752;1441754765;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh. << hah. I was referring to my past when I didn't yet believe in The Bible 1266753;1441754766;ben_vulpes;specially the winblet line - that really blew my stack 1266754;1441754812;mats;winblet? 1266755;1441755030;danielpbarron;shinohai, the key is that the chicks had already been with other dudes who they then should have married. To be honest, I'm not sure if it counts as adultery or not. 1266756;1441755149;trinque;danielpbarron: my reading of the thing suggests that's more or less the rule 1266757;1441755158;trinque;fuck a virgin; you're supposed to marry her 1266758;1441755197;trinque;but it does seem to lean heavily on whatever the commonly held ideas at the time were re: sex 1266759;1441755297;danielpbarron;it's the right thing to do, to offer the ex-virgin's father payment for her hand in marriage 1266760;1441755363;ben_vulpes;eh, just pay for the children. 1266761;1441755373;danielpbarron;another key point is that it is never the virgin who is the victim; it's either her father or her husband. So the modern notion of "cheating" does not apply. It's not adultery for a married man to have sex with another woman so long as she isn't also married to another man 1266762;1441755377;ben_vulpes;convenient solution is available if you take the girl and her kids 1266763;1441755398;ben_vulpes;but what about the girls' agency, danielpbarron?!!!1ONE!? 1266764;1441755404;danielpbarron;no such thing 1266765;1441755538;shinohai;http://www.technologyreview.com/news/541121/allegations-of-dirty-tricks-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters/ <<< kek 1266766;1441755539;assbot;Supporters of a Proposal to Upgrade Bitcoin’s Capacity Say Their Computers Are Being Attacked | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMmHDR ) 1266767;1441755552;trinque;dirty tricks! 1266768;1441755563;trinque;shinohai: MIT Tech Review are known scum. 1266769;1441755578;trinque;they have been shilling for Gavin/Hearn and XT since the beginning 1266770;1441755592;trinque;!s from:trinque technologyreview.com 1266771;1441755593;assbot;0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview.com 1266772;1441755598;shinohai;I know, more sour grapes from that camp :D 1266773;1441755624;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1255085 1266774;1441755624;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 23:49:32; trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum. 1266775;1441755629;trinque;search is a turd 1266776;1441755679;shinohai;The XT camps released their experimental binaries with the "stealth" feature today. Everyone is gushing over that atm. 1266777;1441755697;trinque;shinohai: aka they can lie about their numbers now? 1266778;1441755726;shinohai;That or just flat-out lie about what client they are. 1266779;1441755745;trinque;I mean, the XT scumbags can lie about how many are in-field 1266780;1441755761;shinohai;https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases/tag/v0.11B 1266781;1441755860;shinohai;wait, binary announcement was yesterday: https://redd.it/3jzylu 1266782;1441755862;assbot;Please help test 0.11B pre-release binaries (linux64 only for now) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoBwev ) 1266783;1441756006;trinque;ahaha, anyone who runs that deserves what they get 1266784;1441756009;trinque;binary releases.. 1266785;1441756056;shinohai;Don't even bother to sign them :/ 1266786;1441756218;trinque;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1008074 << old thread relevant to >> http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/ 1266787;1441756218;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 07:16:33; trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in 1266788;1441756219;assbot;Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs ) 1266789;1441756296;trinque;heh bitcoinctl incoming 1266790;1441756452;midnightmagic;I think they do sign them: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs 1266791;1441756453;assbot;bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoCA1J ) 1266792;1441756639;shinohai;I meant the precompiled binary they threw up on reddit midnightmagic 1266793;1441756730;trinque;I'm plainly accusing Hearn of not being above putting something malicious in a binary, aside from the gunk they're putting in the source. 1266794;1441756955;ben_vulpes;who needs agency, when you have bad opsec? 1266795;1441757138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0007418 = 11.8688 BTC [+] 1266796;1441757263;midnightmagic;built-in sigs are not very WoT-friendly. Without gitian-gverify'ing a binary, the same thing is technically true from the perspective of people running the main bitcoin bins 1266797;1441757293;BingoBoingo;Who would even use a QT client without compiling it so they could put in coin-control??? 1266798;1441757394;midnightmagic;trinque: It would be interesting, but he would instantly submarine the entire effort for sure. 1266799;1441757514;midnightmagic;:-o only mike and gavin are publishing gitian sigs for the result. On the small chance they are doing something sneaky, if you gitian and find a mismatch, you could kill xt in about 20 minutes of compile-time per-release. 1266800;1441757548;trinque;really depends on the difference between weakening in some subtle way vs putting some explicit back-door 1266801;1441757559;trinque;but sure, something overt would be tactically stupid on their part 1266802;1441757568;midnightmagic;true enough 1266803;1441757647;midnightmagic;They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??) 1266804;1441757696;shinohai;I don't even need a microscope. Naked eye working fine thus far. 1266805;1441757809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22341 @ 0.00074272 = 16.5931 BTC [+] {4} 1266806;1441758534;BingoBoingo;Cmon Venus, beat that orc serena 1266807;1441758859;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski 1266808;1441758895;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: oh the williams sisters are going at it in a major ? that doesn't happen often enough 1266809;1441758930;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm not watching it, just bet. Watching "To Catch a Contractor" instead 1266810;1441758958;pete_dushenski;aha. is that a show or a movie then ? 1266811;1441759022;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It's a show, a true gem. Really destroys one's faith in American real estate 1266812;1441759074;pete_dushenski;i've been trying to put my finger on this mats guy for a while, ever since the decimation episode, and i think i've distilled it. without further ado : 1266813;1441759079;pete_dushenski;!rate mats -1 drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amats+drama 1266814;1441759079;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a7adc39df7b1380d 1266815;1441759080;assbot;6 results for 'from:mats drama' - #bitcoin-assets search 1266816;1441759093;BingoBoingo;Features Adam Corolla, also known as low rent Tim Allen 1266817;1441759107;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mats.-1:33fbc075d363f966c5a2041fe3ce19f176f71eec14fdd72e3cdee9400bc41912 1266818;1441759107;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for mats with note: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amats+drama 1266819;1441759131;BingoBoingo;!rated mats 1266820;1441759131;assbot;You rated user mats on 28-Aug-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Around a while in various forms. 1266821;1441759167;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1261218 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1264688 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-09-2015#1266617 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259365 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1259164 << moar 1266822;1441759167;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 05:46:51; mats: you hate me 1266823;1441759167;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 01:00:03; mats: your mom 1266824;1441759167;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 20:54:05; mats: shots fired 1266825;1441759167;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 00:33:47; mats: whoa, whoa, such cynicism 1266826;1441759167;assbot;Logged on 01-09-2015 21:45:54; mats: this is not reassuring 1266827;1441759191;pete_dushenski;i get the sense that it's more than sarcasm coming from mats and i dun take kindly to it. 1266828;1441759220;BingoBoingo;At least this is the healthy sort of dissent 1266829;1441759249;pete_dushenski;myeah 1266830;1441759273;*;ben_vulpes frowns. 1266831;1441759281;pete_dushenski;it's not like i expect him to go anywhere a la pankkake, tat, or decimation, but i don't trust him. 1266832;1441759283;cazalla;logged into the qntra twitter account.. http://i.imgur.com/lBu5pin.png and then! http://i.imgur.com/lrMj3py.png 1266833;1441759284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8jY7y ) 1266834;1441759285;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8jY7D ) 1266835;1441759300;pete_dushenski;cazalla: they say it's lonely at the top 1266836;1441759302;ben_vulpes;not really how this is supposed to work. 1266837;1441759351;cazalla;i like how the text "no thanks" and "yes" are smaller than big blue buttons that work in their favour 1266838;1441759367;BingoBoingo;I think mats is getting polish. He claims a knowledge base which explains a lotta cognitive dissonance that appears on subjects like ASLR (For the record I use an OS with ASLR by default) 1266839;1441759369;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: dude's manufacturing discontent. what. 1266840;1441759474;*;BingoBoingo learned more in fewer spans than those in which asciilifeform and mats have discursively danced. I really clear up what the traditional common wisdom has been. 1266841;1441759568;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Why do we need to find people? 1266842;1441759573;pete_dushenski;http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot 1266843;1441759575;assbot;Where microaggressions really come from: A sociological account | The Righteous Mind ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8kylG ) 1266844;1441759610;cazalla;BingoBoingo, we don't, but apparently our friends are finding it difficult to find us 1266845;1441759661;pete_dushenski;www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/russia-s-main-bourse-says-trading-halted-across-all-markets << usians not the only ones with 'blow-off valves' 1266846;1441759673;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Well, maybe we celebrate our fifth birthday with a 500 kilowatt AM station? 1266847;1441759796;cazalla;we could use my 5 watts for 1st birthday but.. no licence lol 1266848;1441759883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074423 = 9.4145 BTC [+] {3} 1266849;1441760006;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Wouldn't be the same unless we got the money to hire a hot chick to read it 1266850;1441760026;BingoBoingo;!up benkay 1266851;1441760037;BingoBoingo;benkay: On webchat? 1266852;1441760045;benkay;what discontent pete 1266853;1441760054;benkay;bb mhm 1266854;1441760069;benkay;and what moreove is wrong with it 1266855;1441760108;benkay;you want further homogeneity? in the cult? 1266856;1441760139;mircea_popescu;!up Jrum 1266857;1441760142;benkay;additionally, i do not see substantiation of the drama claims. 1266858;1441760168;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical. 1266859;1441760168;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 23:36:03; ben_vulpes: eh, just pay for the children. 1266860;1441760189;*;BingoBoingo has yet to see pete_dushenski talk about wishes to leave a tract of geography disputed by two Satans 1266861;1441760228;mircea_popescu;"s-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters" hahahaha WHAT ? 1266862;1441760237;mircea_popescu;they didn't manage to save it like syria or wut ? 1266863;1441760264;benkay;i retain hope mine'll be +ev. like my wife. unlike anyone elses. 1266864;1441760267;BingoBoingo;No, Greece and Hungary are supposed to save Syria by becoming Syria mircea_popescu 1266865;1441760272;mircea_popescu;!s from:trinque technologyreview 1266866;1441760273;assbot;0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview 1266867;1441760276;mircea_popescu;odd. 1266868;1441760279;benkay;(apparently) 1266869;1441760308;mircea_popescu;hope is what the world spins on. 1266870;1441760324;pete_dushenski;benkay: what happened to the 'ben_vulpes 1266871;1441760334;pete_dushenski;*' experiment ? 1266872;1441760374;*;BingoBoingo guessing ben_vulpes is at a bar 1266873;1441760697;pete_dushenski;"I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month." 1266874;1441760706;pete_dushenski;"The $200 I spent was almost 1/3 of my bitcoin savings and I regret wasting my money on this. Maybe I will keep running BitcoinXT at home but I haven't decided." 1266875;1441760718;pete_dushenski;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3k0imx/the_number_of_xt_blocks_in_the_last_1000_is/ << sweet redditard tears 1266876;1441760719;assbot;The number of XT blocks in the last 1000 is almost back to zero : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8mz1l ) 1266877;1441760749;shinohai;LOL pete_dushenski thanks for logging that 1266878;1441760767;danielpbarron;hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone 1266879;1441760792;pete_dushenski;shinohai: np :) 1266880;1441760805;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: and sounds like you've made a pretty penny off that investment too 1266881;1441760813;danielpbarron;we'll see 1266882;1441760860;danielpbarron;i win all the auctions -- doesn't mean i'm profiting :/ 1266883;1441760861;shinohai;I spent most of my BTC on stuff I *still use* 1266884;1441760871;shinohai;Not fleeting fads 1266885;1441760880;mats;ah, my first neg rate 1266886;1441760882;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: very true. 1266887;1441760898;BingoBoingo; hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras 1266888;1441760905;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: what, did the nick disconnect while i wasn't looking? 1266889;1441760911;danielpbarron;not sure if shinohai's comment is directed at Eulora, but it's 1) not fleeting and 2) i still have the stuff i bought 1266890;1441760925;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: looks like, ya 1266891;1441760926;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I hope you are at least reading EVE-Online history 1266892;1441760929;shinohai;No danielpbarron not directed at you or Eulora, at XT 1266893;1441760941;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: the "experiment", i mean. 1266894;1441760959;BingoBoingo; ah, my first neg rate << a test and a milestone 1266895;1441760959;shinohai;Euora I would consider a good investment, and will when I buy my next computer 1266896;1441760964;mats;in the service of that note, i can't say i particularly care about a guy whose chief 'contribution' is blathering at length on a blog 1266897;1441760972;mats;carry on 1266898;1441760976;BingoBoingo;Oh Shit 1266899;1441760992;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: benkay has left IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 1266900;1441761001;BingoBoingo;God Damn, Let me see those hips swing 1266901;1441761007;ben_vulpes; benkay: what happened to the 'ben_vulpes 1266902;1441761007;ben_vulpes; *' experiment ? 1266903;1441761012;ben_vulpes;the. 1266904;1441761013;ben_vulpes;experiment. 1266905;1441761016;ben_vulpes;did it disconnect? 1266906;1441761025;*;trinque wonders wtf is going on 1266907;1441761065;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i just saw 'benkay' logged in and was inquiring, as i hadn't seen that handle in a coon's age. 1266908;1441761073;BingoBoingo;Everything and nothing is going on. Which is why mircea_popescu's Bitcoin exam will eventually need metaphysics and biology sections 1266909;1441761108;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes: i just saw 'benkay' logged in and was inquiring, as i hadn't seen that handle in a coon's age. << Coon vernacular for that period of time is "a minute" now 1266910;1441761125;pete_dushenski;for serial ? 1266911;1441761136;*;danielpbarron nods 1266912;1441761139;pete_dushenski;so coon's age is a short time period ?? 1266913;1441761154;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, just a minute is a long time nao 1266914;1441761166;danielpbarron;no, a "minute" is a long time in the retarded brains of today's youth 1266915;1441761193;danielpbarron;a vine clip is 6 seconds and that's already pushing it 1266916;1441761198;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Nah, just in the minds of the Urban youth blessed by the #gayfish in chief 1266917;1441761219;pete_dushenski;;;ud coon's age 1266918;1441761220;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Coons+Age | Jonny, I haven't see you in a coon's age, How the hell are you? by Tbone ... I've been waiting a Coon's Age for you to get your sorry keister out of the bathroom! 1266919;1441761240;ben_vulpes;anyways, pete_dushenski, i'd love to talk some day when you've got something other than "lol ur handle bro" lined up 1266920;1441761285;BingoBoingo; ;;ud coon's age << But biologically a coon's maximum lifespan is 18 months to 36 months 1266921;1441761349;*;ben_vulpes dosimieter 1266922;1441761375;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: You should try the newsmines 1266923;1441761499;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: wasn't lolin' man, was just wondering what the occasion was ! 1266924;1441761586;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266855 << not particularly. but the disagreement should be productive, not 'please explain why i shouldn't use winbloze' level 1266925;1441761586;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:55:08; benkay: you want further homogeneity? in the cult? 1266926;1441761598;asciilifeform;dulap therealbitcoin node going down starting now. 1266927;1441761625;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: and i'm none too amused by 'oh no she didn't' 'oh yes she did' banter either 1266928;1441761655;pete_dushenski;it's not helpful and it's not constructive 1266929;1441761963;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: dulap removed from -addnode on my machines, restarted 1266930;1441762035;mats;howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1. 1266931;1441762043;shinohai;http://www.attactics.org/2015/09/windows-10-extracting-hashes-plaintext.html 1266932;1441762044;assbot;attactics[dot]org: Extracting Hashes & Plaintext Passwords from Windows 10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8oQJK ) 1266933;1441762055;mats;not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes 1266934;1441762072;mats;seems nobody is really talking about how 'CFG' is enabled by default in win10 1266935;1441762091;mats;'control flow guard', which verifies functions at call sites, ensuring target is in fact a function. 1266936;1441762140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0007418 = 18.545 BTC [-] 1266937;1441762152;BingoBoingo;Telemetry kinda kills Win 10, but now also kills Win 8 and 7 1266938;1441762152;mats;there are also new security features that have been rolled out over the last year, ie, isolated heap and deferred free lists 1266939;1441762170;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail 1266940;1441762171;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1266941;1441762192;pete_dushenski;well, choir practise beckons, gents. hasta luego! 1266942;1441762201;shinohai;Nos veremos 1266943;1441762211;mats;the CFG implementation is quite weak based on a cursory inspection, but in general all this stuff raises the cost of attack 1266944;1441762239;mircea_popescu;mats which incidentally is a valid point re your earlier "gps beacon" considerations. 1266945;1441762250;mircea_popescu;resistence is not about DOING anything, but merely preventing the enemy from doing his stupid shit. 1266946;1441762264;mircea_popescu;so yes, even with the cctv bla bla. not driving a gps beacon is that much better. 1266947;1441762317;asciilifeform;mats: how does any of it raise the cost of usg using its dedicated pwnholes ? 1266948;1441762337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1266949;1441762362;mats;it doesn't. but random passerby has to spend a shiny dime for the privilege of diddling your box 1266950;1441762374;mircea_popescu;those are least concern tho 1266951;1441762432;mats;i have never ventured the opinion these mitigations actually defend against MS, INTC, USG, etc... 1266952;1441762455;mircea_popescu;what good are they then ? 1266953;1441762459;mircea_popescu;there is no enemy but the enemy. 1266954;1441762464;BingoBoingo; those are least concern tho << I'm not sure least concern. Lesser concern, yes. Probably by attack frequency not least. 1266955;1441762469;mats;i'm a researcher. not a defender offering his opinion on how to defend a winbox. 1266956;1441762481;mircea_popescu;ah now that's a point 1266957;1441762533;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No point being able to beat full USG if vulnerable to papersigners like new look voorhes and shren at the same time. 1266958;1441762568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19722 @ 0.00074179 = 14.6296 BTC [-] {2} 1266959;1441762598;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the idea there is that in any situation of scarce resources, you pick the main threat and work towards that. working towards lesser threats is a waste of your resources and promises to paint you in the corner of a local maximum. 1266960;1441762610;mircea_popescu;it is exactly how the middle class usian became a captive of ipad and suburbia. 1266961;1441762620;mircea_popescu;they didn't want to fight the government, but niggas passing by 1266962;1441762622;BingoBoingo;And so it is 1266963;1441762622;mircea_popescu;and well... 1266964;1441762628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82559 @ 0.0007462 = 61.6055 BTC [+] {7} 1266965;1441762723;*;BingoBoingo would like to see moar weirdix and weirdonet adapters 1266966;1441762731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, it rebooted TWICE AGAIN last night 1266967;1441762738;mats;that some folks suggest the substance of any of my debates begin with 'so explain why i shouldn't windows' indicates they've no idea whats actually being discussed 1266968;1441762746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was down for 2 1/2 hours total, even. 1266969;1441762750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15809 @ 0.00074743 = 11.8161 BTC [+] {3} 1266970;1441762769;mircea_popescu;i guess the gig is ip 1266971;1441762770;mircea_popescu;up* 1266972;1441762796;*;mircea_popescu waves to the poor unfortunate schmuck stuck in this particular shitty job. 1266973;1441762823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see gpggram for another interesting tidbit. 1266974;1441762950;*;BingoBoingo wonders if there are any li-polymer batteries that fit in 2.5" drive bays 1266975;1441762974;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: batteries are a trivial thing, this is not the hard part. 1266976;1441763014;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, making sure everything else is batteried a bit harder, keeping Satan out much harder 1266977;1441763080;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the hard part is that the box is physically in the hands of a liar and a traitor 1266978;1441763084;BingoBoingo;There is little recourse possible if the Great Red Dragon and God's lamb decide to wage the final battle of mortal existance in the same toom machine is 1266979;1441763088;BingoBoingo;That too 1266980;1441763135;BingoBoingo;definition: toom = the interior space of a tomb 1266981;1441763166;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266861 << rescue!!11111 destroy the village to save it! 1266982;1441763166;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:57:08; mircea_popescu: "s-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters" hahahaha WHAT ? 1266983;1441763202;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the lulziest part is that this is OFFICIAL usg newspeak. e.g., police 'swat' tanks in my town have big fat RESCUE stencilled on the side 1266984;1441763226;asciilifeform;they stand ready to 'rescue' folks with hot lead. 1266985;1441763242;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/ << this was actually a great read. 1266986;1441763243;assbot;Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs ) 1266987;1441763311;BingoBoingo;It was, major props to thestringpuller 1266988;1441763328;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266858 << the mains socket is equally counter-historical, aha 1266989;1441763328;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:56:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical. 1266990;1441763358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technology and the spawn of women are not like things, plox no spurious comparisons. 1266991;1441763397;asciilifeform;but not unrelated - what exactly was ever +ev about offspring once they could no longer be harnessed to the plow, or run the shop ? 1266992;1441763407;mircea_popescu;i'll consider such arguments once you can take the 3yo product of white woman, put it in cage with 3yo product of thirld world woman, and it emerges victorious. every time. 1266993;1441763425;mircea_popescu;that consideration makes zero difference doesn't it. 1266994;1441763438;mircea_popescu;"i'm only worthless because X" is of no practical importance. 1266995;1441763487;asciilifeform;turd world is riding the back of the very same train, give'em time. 1266996;1441763523;mircea_popescu;aite. 1266997;1441763551;asciilifeform;and if everything were settled via cage match, we would not be having this particular set of problems 1266998;1441763582;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266784 << lulz of all time. 1266999;1441763582;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 23:46:49; trinque: binary releases.. 1267000;1441763593;*;asciilifeform recalls the legend where saddam h. supposedly challenged bush II to gladiatorial combat, in lieu of war 1267001;1441763610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you wish to say "kids are like socket mains" then you must show that white woman kid beats random kid eighty million tries out of eighty million. 1267002;1441763651;asciilifeform;nah, meant that the -ev thing is strictly a result of events which have no historical parallels 1267003;1441763663;asciilifeform;not that there is some hidden up-side to it 1267004;1441763665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00074213 = 18.5533 BTC [-] 1267005;1441763681;mircea_popescu;like what events ? 1267006;1441763738;asciilifeform;prohibitions (in the west, mainly) on 'child labour' etc 1267007;1441763748;mircea_popescu;the spawn of greek speaking white women in constantinople cca 1200 was equally worthless. 1267008;1441763756;asciilifeform;the extension of 'education' to even 30 y.o. 1267009;1441763756;mircea_popescu;plenty of historical parallels. 1267010;1441763767;mircea_popescu;yup. 1267011;1441763776;mircea_popescu;byzantine man was schooled up to ~30 1267012;1441763788;asciilifeform;i suppose if these count, then we can also count mazdakism in persia 1267013;1441763793;mircea_popescu;even a few emperors "too young" to assume the crown atthat age 1267014;1441763797;mircea_popescu;yup. 1267015;1441763797;asciilifeform;1000 yrs yet before byzantium 1267016;1441763805;asciilifeform;then yes, mircea_popescu has it. 1267017;1441763813;mircea_popescu;and there's at least hte sad end of the manchuko in china 1267018;1441763814;mircea_popescu;etc 1267019;1441763836;mircea_popescu;but iirc this sort of fail was on a ~1400 year period in that place. 1267020;1441763854;mircea_popescu;ie happened on record like 5-6 times already 1267021;1441763907;BingoBoingo;Sparta still feared by Huns through 900 AD 1267022;1441763953;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266803 << ahahaha what ?! 1267023;1441763953;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:14:07; midnightmagic: They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??) 1267024;1441763958;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a flyiong fuck what they do. 1267025;1441763969;asciilifeform;bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1 1267026;1441763970;mircea_popescu;and i mean that in the most literal sense. i doubt even the computers bother reading their code. 1267027;1441764111;BingoBoingo; bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1 << At the point MIT Technology review loses to qntra... 1267028;1441764151;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mit dead tree press has been a sad circus, with 'privilege' on every catalogue page, and 'climate' in every other title, for many years. 1267029;1441764183;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but qntra won rather quicly 1267030;1441764205;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097985 << see also 1267031;1441764206;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:55:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head 1267032;1441764222;mircea_popescu;lmao. so there exists an #anonops on freenode. nobody there, bout half dozen amazon shells. 1267033;1441764282;shinohai;lol 1267034;1441764296;asciilifeform;https://anonops.com << them ? 1267035;1441764296;assbot;AnonOps • Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6mWkP ) 1267036;1441764310;asciilifeform;what a cheap honeypot 1267037;1441764362;mircea_popescu;under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. Thats because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. [] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thinks yo 1267038;1441764362;mircea_popescu;u probably did it, you can still be sentenced based on those charges. [] Essentially, the government loses but then gets to punish you anyway. 1267039;1441764364;mircea_popescu;lmao 1267040;1441764385;mircea_popescu;can't even spell preponderence. 1267041;1441764391;shinohai;There was an i2p irc they had for a while too iirc 1267042;1441764413;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'they' == usg 1267043;1441764477;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'loses' is a smoke screen to begin with. usg never really loses a trial, how could it 1267044;1441764482;shinohai;Anon movement never was my thing, seemed quite silly. 1267045;1441764499;mircea_popescu;oh, but it could. 1267046;1441764499;asciilifeform;it isn't as if these trials took place in the court of some independent sovereign 1267047;1441764510;asciilifeform;they take place in usg fortresses 1267048;1441764510;mircea_popescu;the brits never won a trial in imperial india, not ever. 1267049;1441764583;mircea_popescu;anyway, note the incredibly braindamaged defense put up by one caduddu 1267050;1441764601;mircea_popescu;the first mistake these folks make is accepting the inept counsel. 1267051;1441764702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00074769 = 23.5522 BTC [+] 1267052;1441764726;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266842 << ->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998185 1267053;1441764726;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot 1267054;1441764726;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. 1267055;1441764731;BingoBoingo; under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. Thats because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. [] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thin 1267056;1441764731;BingoBoingo;ks yo << And people were wondering why I wouldn't just plea out and pay a fine 1267057;1441764742;mircea_popescu;"microagressions" come from a world that's not starshaped with the "usg" at the center of all things. 1267058;1441764756;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yep. only right move. 1267059;1441764774;mircea_popescu;don't sign with the devil. you will live to regret it if you do. 1267060;1441764782;mircea_popescu;like shrem, like esr, like EVERYONE who ever did. 1267061;1441764815;BingoBoingo;"misdemeanor" isn't such anymoar 1267062;1441764863;*;BingoBoingo this weekend may have actually met targeted operation. Some nigga found me at the bar and kept trying to sell me drugs. 1267063;1441764894;BingoBoingo;Spotted me specifically, made a bit of smalltalk and then than coon tried to sell me the entire spectrum of drugs. 1267064;1441764894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't know of any reason to think that esr regrets turning; he probably regrets not taking sufficiently many 'pieces of silver' 1267065;1441764902;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same thing. 1267066;1441764916;mircea_popescu;so does shrem. obviously he's not one bit sorry he fucked the goat. 1267067;1441764921;mircea_popescu;he just wishes he had more to show for it. 1267068;1441764964;mircea_popescu;but this is also the problem : you will never be able to get a sufficient number of "nothing". the devil's giold coins have this way of turning to leaves in your hands 1267069;1441764978;mircea_popescu;that;s kinda the point of the whole "you're his now" 1267070;1441764983;asciilifeform;aha 1267071;1441764989;asciilifeform;this is an ancient idea, even 1267072;1441764997;asciilifeform;recurs in myth and legend 1267073;1441765002;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. 1267074;1441765011;mircea_popescu;really butthurts low level wanna-be undercover agents. 1267075;1441765056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1267076;1441765098;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. << He may or may not have been recorded. If his handlers read this they probably ought to see if their agent has a file with one of the more trusted local constables. 1267077;1441765100;*;asciilifeform just pried open a crate of ru dead tree material concerning crypto research, some of it historical, most of it entirely unavailable in en 1267078;1441765132;mircea_popescu;in other news today, asciilifeform reads by the crate. 1267079;1441765145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it had to go on a boat! 1267080;1441765152;BingoBoingo;I thought it was known ascii only read by the crate 1267081;1441765199;asciilifeform;very spiffy little monograph on a/v stego in there, as well 1267082;1441765215;asciilifeform;and a tome on polymorphic virii. 1267083;1441765274;*;asciilifeform usually reads by the MB, but sometimes - by the crate. 1267084;1441765362;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i confess that i imagine you living in a proper old west town, with saloon, with spittoon 1267085;1441765499;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience 1267086;1441765499;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:41:21; pete_dushenski: it's not like i expect him to go anywhere a la pankkake, tat, or decimation, but i don't trust him. 1267087;1441765610;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266873 << how much megablox-moving-horsepower does one get for 20 usd/mo, exactly...? 1267088;1441765610;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:04:57; pete_dushenski: "I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month." 1267089;1441765698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he didn't think that far ahead. 1267090;1441765719;mircea_popescu;derp on a 500 bucks budget blows half of it to cover a month of random retardation he found on the net. 1267091;1441765725;mircea_popescu;these people have less sense than the average insect. 1267092;1441765739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00074769 = 18.4679 BTC [+] 1267093;1441765761;asciilifeform;500 bux would buy a very decent pistol to eat ! 1267094;1441765788;mircea_popescu;not in the us. 1267095;1441765801;asciilifeform;sure it does 1267096;1441765823;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ? 1267097;1441765855;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266887 << i managed to lose one of a set of historical bitcoin cufflinks last week. they cost more than his budget back before they became historical. 1267098;1441765855;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:08:18; BingoBoingo: hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras 1267099;1441765881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of this, does kakobrekla's magical car still run ? 1267100;1441765894;mircea_popescu;wait you're askinbg me ? 1267101;1441765895;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ? << $500 in US could buy quality eating pistol 1267102;1441765932;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a nagant, circa 1940s, sells for around 100 usd iirc. so the reddit fella could, if he had a bit of budget left, literally eat nagant. 1267103;1441765975;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Even with more familiar stuff plenty of 1911 clones floating around $350 to $450 new 1267104;1441766005;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac 1267105;1441766024;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And if willing to eat rifle Mosins around $200 1267106;1441766034;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac << Yes 1267107;1441766076;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266921 << dosimIeter check him out, he's developing a russki accent now. 1267108;1441766076;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:15:49; *: ben_vulpes dosimieter 1267109;1441766086;asciilifeform;l0l 1267110;1441766174;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266935 << how the fuck is this even supposed to work ? 1267111;1441766174;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:28:11; mats: 'control flow guard', which verifies functions at call sites, ensuring target is in fact a function. 1267112;1441766183;mircea_popescu;gotta leave symbols table in elfxecutables or what ? 1267113;1441766190;asciilifeform;elf l0l 1267114;1441766194;mircea_popescu;:) 1267115;1441766197;asciilifeform;it's winblowz he spoke of, no ? 1267116;1441766199;asciilifeform;pe ! 1267117;1441766199;mircea_popescu;ya 1267118;1441766218;asciilifeform;they haven't got tables of anything, just shit soup. 1267119;1441766227;BingoBoingo;Everyone knows MP is a darkELF on PDP-99 1267120;1441766237;mircea_popescu;wiatwut 1267121;1441766278;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I though you manced the necros? Isn't that what dark ELF's do? 1267122;1441766288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00074846 = 24.9986 BTC [+] {4} 1267123;1441766291;mircea_popescu;but srsly, if anyone who understands these things is willing to explain it to me, how exactly is the kernel going to "verify target is in fact a function" ? 1267124;1441766311;mircea_popescu;doesn't even seem a halt-decidable problem 1267125;1441766320;cazalla;BingoBoingo, seriously now.. iksar necro far cooler than delf necro 1267126;1441766343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, would say that it checks for a standard prologue before jumping to the return addr found on stack 1267127;1441766353;mircea_popescu;and this helps because... 1267128;1441766359;asciilifeform;ask microshit not me. 1267129;1441766359;*;BingoBoingo wonders why kernel ought to care 1267130;1441766363;asciilifeform;or ask mats, aha. 1267131;1441766367;mircea_popescu;things that aren't functions that got injected couldn't have the extra fixed payload injected along ? 1267132;1441766369;mats;it prevents rop chains 1267133;1441766375;mircea_popescu;but it doesn't ? 1267134;1441766407;asciilifeform;mats: nope. so i jump to somewhere that has the prologue. solved. 1267135;1441766419;mats;yes 1267136;1441766419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it. 1267137;1441766428;mircea_popescu;every time the endless chorus of people that keep repeating "no srsly, ms improved" gets me to believe it on a simple "regression to mean" theory, shit like this happens 1267138;1441766444;mircea_popescu;and im like no, wtf, this is like 1990 all over again 1267139;1441766485;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is Soviet Eeyore also a sad donkey? 1267140;1441766487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: microshit has not improved a single thing it touched, from z80 rom basic, xenix, msdos (yes), to this day 1267141;1441766489;mats;it doesn't protect against all forms of control flow hijacking 1267142;1441766494;mircea_popescu;not that the general problem of "i will now emit a string of bits and you tell me if this is a function" isn't a very interesting ai topic. 1267143;1441766496;BingoBoingo;Or is he jaundiced instead of Pooh? 1267144;1441766496;mircea_popescu;but srsly... 1267145;1441766511;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nobody is jaundiced in ru transl. of pooh 1267146;1441766521;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Wow 1267147;1441766549;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1438&bih=2473&q=%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8+%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%85 etc 1267148;1441766550;assbot;винни пух - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETm72B ) 1267149;1441766574;asciilifeform;http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5702/65435673.1d1/0_87bdb_b406c8ac_orig << american pooh 1267150;1441766575;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETm9Yj ) 1267151;1441766575;mircea_popescu;o look, alf also knows google img search short form. 1267152;1441766692;*;BingoBoingo jealous RU pooh has claws 1267153;1441766771;asciilifeform;so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. 1267154;1441766785;mircea_popescu;lol 1267155;1441766789;asciilifeform;dwarfed by the gui crud 1267156;1441766809;asciilifeform;(hastily welded on, it is elephantine for the time, hundreds of kB!) 1267157;1441766854;asciilifeform;mulisp has an interestingly forth-like self-mod compiler 1267158;1441766872;asciilifeform;very stimulating reading. 1267159;1441766890;BingoBoingo; so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. << I my cursory seach Texas Instruments apparently "owns" derive 1267160;1441766914;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they have what, three separate product lines based on it? no shit 1267161;1441766922;asciilifeform;(not incl. the pc version, which was discontinued a decade ago) 1267162;1441766937;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Butt, Butt, Butts they depreciated it for ARM shit 1267163;1441766944;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: still runs it 1267164;1441766973;asciilifeform;i will add that it is not actually easy to write a useful computeralgebratron. 1267165;1441766979;asciilifeform;ask anyone who's tried. 1267166;1441766981;BingoBoingo;Not that they will admit. "Totally supplanted by 'NSpire' thing" 1267167;1441767109;*;BingoBoingo filling up on ETOH to try to reclaim last week's useful qntra venom 1267168;1441767935;BingoBoingo;!up bounce 1267169;1441767964;mats;http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Sources-We-were-pressured-to-weaken-the-mobile-security-in-the-80s-7413285.html << some engineers finally come out with the story 1267170;1441767965;assbot;Sources: We were pressured to weaken the mobile security in the 80's - Aftenposten ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETqn2f ) 1267171;1441767995;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Damn it, you got me looking at TI-92's nao 1267172;1441768549;asciilifeform;mats: ancient news 1267173;1441768608;*;asciilifeform bbl 1267174;1441768714;*;BingoBoingo rolls around in some jools hoping they embed in the skin 1267175;1441769460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00075346 = 14.0897 BTC [+] {5} 1267176;1441769588;ben_vulpes;"struggle session" << anyone have any decent literature? the only thing i can recall offhand is the book White Swans. 1267177;1441769688;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: On that topic truly useful literature is going to be elusive 1267178;1441769693;ben_vulpes;wild swans, i mean. 1267179;1441769765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00075451 = 20.4849 BTC [+] {3} 1267180;1441770684;mircea_popescu;mats that's nice to have. i always puzzled over the incredibly poor security of mobile as a design decision 1267181;1441770718;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what's your definition of decency ? 1267182;1441770808;BingoBoingo;Decency == Bare Cunt, Big Nipples 1267183;1441770865;ben_vulpes;primary sources ideally, first generation translations would be nice. 1267184;1441770889;ben_vulpes;oh yeah and can't make modern readers think too hard about their own versions 1267185;1441770951;mircea_popescu;;;google 镇压反革命 1267186;1441770952;gribble;Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Campanha de repressão aos contrarrevolucionários – Wikipédia, a ...: ; September 2015 | prchistory.org: (1 more message) 1267187;1441771351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00074932 = 4.107 BTC [-] 1267188;1441771538;*;BingoBoingo becoming convinced no one does better blackface than the Japs 1267189;1441771900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00074932 = 7.0061 BTC [-] 1267190;1441771918;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? 1267191;1441772010;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263077 << continuing our series of "power rangers are retarded lol", today's installment : bitcoind's idea of "passwords" allows digita and lowercase characters. no symbols no uppercase. not only does this mean a bitcoind pw is half the strength of a normal pw, but (the actual likely purpose of this retardation) it makes it trivial to identify wallet password lists. ESPEC 1267192;1441772010;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2015 02:38:55; mircea_popescu: in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation, 1267193;1441772011;mircea_popescu;IALLY seeing how the fucktarded implementation of "accounts" etc pretty much ensures everyone will be using multiplew wallets. 1267194;1441772200;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqfjiuqVrV4 << when usg says "jump," gates jumps ! 1267195;1441772201;assbot;Bill Gates jumping over a chair like a gangster - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ox8INT ) 1267196;1441772261;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? << He only needs format comptibility 1267197;1441772543;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265774 << I hack it using the parenscript REPL you can find in the Masamune repository. Mozrepl (the basis) provides some very rudimentary debugging facities that tbh, I almost never use due to a burning hatred of js and no reason to ever sharpen that edge of the blade. 1267198;1441772543;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 23:21:26; trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Conkeror has made its way into daily use; JS debugging tips? Best thing providing a JS REPL in Emacs? 1267199;1441772642;gabriel_laddel;Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions... 1267200;1441772692;gabriel_laddel;Something like 40% of the conkeror js translates to PS without signaling conditions using the included js->ps transpiler. 1267201;1441772733;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265693 << nifty 1267202;1441772733;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 21:39:45; ascii_field: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << some actual implementation details re: 'derive' & 'mulisp' 1267203;1441772754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00074966 = 20.3158 BTC [+] {3} 1267204;1441772827;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265781 << I lol'd 1267205;1441772827;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 23:28:45; trinque: davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? 1267206;1441773137;BingoBoingo; Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions... << How is "improving:" and not "killing" the word here 1267207;1441773139;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267085 << the famished take self-funded sabbaticals now ? not that mats is wealthy, but eating wallpaper he ain't. 1267208;1441773139;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 02:24:59; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience 1267209;1441773169;pete_dushenski;though, yes, to be sure, hunger can make a man crazy. 1267210;1441773191;pete_dushenski;though i have to say, asciilifeform, for a starved man, you think mighty clearly. 1267211;1441773239;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards. 1267212;1441773271;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Sharp blades excise tumors like javascript 1267213;1441773278;gabriel_laddel;whatever 1267214;1441773284;gabriel_laddel;e.g., scriping combinations of browser movements, OCR routines and X windows level key-presses together for data mining 1267215;1441773309;gabriel_laddel;there is a partially complete js->parenscript transpiler so that you don't have to read js 1267216;1441773317;gabriel_laddel;just hack parenscript (which compiles down to JS) 1267217;1441773323;gabriel_laddel;you get macros etc. 1267218;1441773412;BingoBoingo;Scripting web content ought to entirely be the user's choice 1267219;1441773458;gabriel_laddel;? 1267220;1441773461;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzIXy-oFlU << if anything is microaggression, this is it. unambiguously directed yet so far from lethal it's laughable. 1267221;1441773462;assbot;Hungarian camerawoman fired after intentionally kicking, tripping refugees - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxbRxc ) 1267222;1441773469;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: I don't think you have context here 1267223;1441773508;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: A page is a document. Why should anyone other than the user impose any scripts upon the text? 1267224;1441773543;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: because I want your information pl0x and I'm not going to ask nicely. 1267225;1441773576;BingoBoingo;Because FUCK YOU. Few things are worse than a textbooks with highlights already 1267226;1441773637;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: it is quite obvious that I've poorly expressed exactly why the web interface for Masamune exists. 1267227;1441773646;gabriel_laddel;I don't know wtf textbook highlighting has to do with anything 1267228;1441773734;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: You have to understand I am appraoching this as a trained Librarian. Scripting is at best a form of highlighting (never a reason for broswerscript or postscript to be turing complete) Everything else it does is vandalism 1267229;1441773751;gabriel_laddel;nah, you've got it backwards 1267230;1441773767;gabriel_laddel;the correct model is that you never have a DSL or "mini-language" 1267231;1441773780;gabriel_laddel;the full power of the machine should be yours, at all times 1267232;1441773808;gabriel_laddel;Want to launch a 3D visualization from a button press in the back of the settings menu? Sure, why not. 1267233;1441773817;BingoBoingo;Who are you pointing "yours" at? 1267234;1441773846;gabriel_laddel;He who wields Masamune, a loper device, lispm etc. 1267235;1441773926;BingoBoingo;I'm just wondering who at all should have to eat javascript asbestos to become a Great Red Dragon of the Information age. 1267236;1441773927;punkman;and what's wrong with notation/dsl/mini-languages? 1267237;1441773973;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: Enough with the almost analogies already. They're an escape hatch to nowhere. 1267238;1441773996;BingoBoingo;Fuck You Imma Dragon. 1267239;1441774017;gabriel_laddel;punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language. 1267240;1441774024;gabriel_laddel;one sec, thinking of an example... 1267241;1441774025;BingoBoingo;This Dragon says No Javascript or experiance famine 1267242;1441774076;BingoBoingo; punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language. << In nearly every case a 3rd part gives you code you don't want a full language. You want a plainly crippled language. 1267243;1441774109;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: wrong wrong wrong, study more 1267244;1441774153;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: If I want to print pretty papers I don't need, want, or desire turing complete postscript 1267245;1441774167;trinque;not until you do 1267246;1441774178;gabriel_laddel;punkman: the problem with creating "DSLs" in ALGOL is that you end up losing M-. (jump to definition) and any ability you may have had to interact with the AST of the previous programming language (read: the actual language, as it is the thing that contains all the semantics) when you change the syntax 1267247;1441774181;trinque;better to be able to extend your DSL at will 1267248;1441774202;gabriel_laddel;punkman: the whole DSL thing doesn't have a name in lisp because it isn't needed 1267249;1441774225;gabriel_laddel;"Here are some abstractions, solve the problem." The end 1267250;1441774247;BingoBoingo;The entire point of domain specific languages is shutting opportunities to drop turds everywhere out 1267251;1441774288;punkman;gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english" 1267252;1441774299;gabriel_laddel;punkman: have you tried lisp yet? 1267253;1441774302;trinque;BingoBoingo: dunno bout that; isn't it to model your problem in clear terms? 1267254;1441774314;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: thins can all be done at the UI level 1267255;1441774329;BingoBoingo;trinque: Yes, and almost always my problem is reading some fucking text 1267256;1441774346;trinque;!up refferedbyloper 1267257;1441774351;trinque;speak mortal! 1267258;1441774356;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: hide it all behind Super-Meta-click and leave the rest to Congnition Stratifies(TM) 1267259;1441774363;punkman;gabriel_laddel: I haven't because I don't wanna emacs 1267260;1441774368;gabriel_laddel;punkman: okay, okay 1267261;1441774376;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: No, You don't fucking make XML 1267262;1441774383;gabriel_laddel;punkman: so when you create a new format or something in ALGOL you have to create a new parser right? 1267263;1441774390;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: meh, I'm done here, read more or something 1267264;1441774435;gabriel_laddel;punkman: and everytime this happens you need all new tooling for this new language, right? 1267265;1441774460;gabriel_laddel;because you can't "get at" the AST, because that isn't how people naively write parsers. 1267266;1441774477;gabriel_laddel;so, this doesn't happen in lisp because everything IS it's own AST, as is. 1267267;1441774503;gabriel_laddel;http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-6-2-1 << check the image here out 1267268;1441774504;assbot;A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxemzJ ) 1267269;1441774547;gabriel_laddel;now, that AST (in blue) can be mapped, with no loss of information to the "lisp" (s-expression) under it: (/ (* (+ 3 2) 8) (* 3 (^ 3 6))) 1267270;1441774561;trinque;gabriel_laddel: nice "hey look we invented lisp" at the beginning there 1267271;1441774578;gabriel_laddel;punkman: When you hack lisp, everything "deals in" (modifies, returns) these structures. 1267272;1441774585;gabriel_laddel;so you never have to write another parser 1267273;1441774590;gabriel_laddel;and all your tooling always works 1267274;1441774627;gabriel_laddel;because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed to get more of the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs 1267275;1441774637;gabriel_laddel;which you already speak, because you're lisping 1267276;1441774726;gabriel_laddel;trinque: at the beginning of (I'd assume "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem" but don't see it there)? 1267277;1441774781;trinque;gabriel_laddel: just the bit about how if we don't make all these assumptions about order of operations, and arrange things sensibly, we've got sexps 1267278;1441774828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40890 @ 0.000755 = 30.872 BTC [+] {6} 1267279;1441774833;gabriel_laddel;trinque: Oh. 1267280;1441774855;trinque;I taught someone a bit of scheme recently (alongside SICP) and used roughly that approach. 1267281;1441774857;BingoBoingo;What part of the utterance "Fuck You" is formal enough to be an sexpr 1267282;1441774885;trinque;started with math, said "what if we didn't have any order of operations except those explicitly stated, and also "wtf re: infix anyway?" 1267283;1441774890;trinque;student got it just fine 1267284;1441774936;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1267285;1441774946;gabriel_laddel;nothing particularly challenging about it 1267286;1441774947;BingoBoingo;Human language contains ambiguities, Machine languages are formal, why try to bin them together entirely? 1267287;1441774957;trinque;gabriel_laddel: not at all; they've already learned more syntax via basic algebra 1267288;1441774971;gabriel_laddel;good for them 1267289;1441774972;trinque;BingoBoingo: not sure I hear the question 1267290;1441774974;gabriel_laddel;trinque: hey guess what 1267291;1441774983;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc 1267292;1441774989;trinque;neato 1267293;1441774995;gabriel_laddel;and figured out how to get and eval maxima ASTs 1267294;1441775009;BingoBoingo;trinque: No question, FYIAD 1267295;1441775051;gabriel_laddel;Partially through translating the imaxima LaTeX stuff such that you can take a maxima AST, view it as LaTeX, maxima syntax or lisp all at the CLIM listener. 1267296;1441775055;trinque;BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it, that all syntaxes can be done within the lisp system, and simultaneously you find that the vast majority aren't necessary 1267297;1441775080;trinque;gabriel_laddel: sounds very nice 1267298;1441775087;gabriel_laddel;Reader macros also allow you to deal with syntax mechanically for whatever it's worth. 1267299;1441775113;trinque;I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit 1267300;1441775118;BingoBoingo;Parse less of everything. 1267301;1441775119;trinque;never found a use for them in my own code to date 1267302;1441775131;gabriel_laddel;trinque: reader macros or macros? 1267303;1441775160;trinque;haven't used either for anything aside from regular macros to make some stumpwm config prettier 1267304;1441775166;gabriel_laddel;ah 1267305;1441775168;trinque;and that was more or less looking for a reason 1267306;1441775630;*;BingoBoingo wonders when unblemished text became the problem. 1267307;1441775654;BingoBoingo;WHy do such things need parsed by machine? 1267308;1441775755;trinque;no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is. 1267309;1441775759;BingoBoingo;When did graphs in D3 become essential and not luxuries 1267310;1441775798;trinque;XML syntax is a heinous misstep that affords little, demands much 1267311;1441775821;BingoBoingo; no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is. << And at what point should barin authored text end and machine authored text begin? 1267312;1441775842;trinque;in my opinion one is a subset of the other 1267313;1441775848;trinque;supposing your syntax has a "here be dragons" token 1267314;1441775853;gabriel_laddel;"On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably more illuminating to go a littl 1267315;1441775853;gabriel_laddel;e bit further back, to the Middle Ages. One of its characteristics was that 'reasoning by analogy' was rampant; another characteristic was almost total intellectual stagnation, and we now see why the two go together. A reason for mentioning this is to point out that, by developing a keen ear for unwarranted analogies, one can detect a lot of medieval thinking today." -- https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/ 1267316;1441775853;gabriel_laddel;EWD10xx/EWD1036.html 1267317;1441775859;BingoBoingo; XML syntax is a heinous misstep that affords little, demands much << It is, and When gabriel_laddel talks massamune unfortunately I read XML or XML with paren 1267318;1441775879;trinque;we shall see; guy hasn't released anything yet and signed his name thereupon 1267319;1441775951;BingoBoingo;But even in LISP people there is a divide between machine language and "people" language. One can not adequately enjoy the lamentations of enemy women in machine language 1267320;1441775967;gabriel_laddel;I cut 3 paragraphs from that quote, which are quite relevent to this conversation. 1267321;1441775980;BingoBoingo;dpaste? deedbot? 1267322;1441775998;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: I swear to you that you can input arbitrary strings in LISP. 1267323;1441776011;trinque;"here be dragons" was poetic license for that 1267324;1441776022;trinque;any grammar can just say "here's the header, here's the footer, go nuts kid" 1267325;1441776030;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtXZScvbdcs 1267326;1441776031;assbot;Lil Debbie - LOFTY - Official Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oxipfe ) 1267327;1441776035;trinque;you know... like strings 1267328;1441776056;gabriel_laddel;trinque: lol, we understand each other. BingoBoingo doesn't though. 1267329;1441776068;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: But at some point people want to put arbitray string on their own. 1267330;1441776089;trinque;nothing can be on its own 1267331;1441776095;BingoBoingo;The point where you decide to eat javascript is the point you go coprophilliac for satan 1267332;1441776131;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: why take my (or anyone else's) word for it, spin up an SBCL REPL. 1267333;1441776141;gabriel_laddel;apt-get install sbcl or whatever. 1267334;1441776174;BingoBoingo;Cutting HTML, markdown, or postscript to bare text is fine. Cutting javascript to OMGWTFBBQ 3D graphs but translated is the devil incarnate. 1267335;1441776206;BingoBoingo;If you catch the devil hold him close for you shall not catch him again. 1267336;1441776226;trinque;are we talking about the web here? 1267337;1441776237;trinque;or generally that there should be more text-only content? 1267338;1441776258;trinque;I would agree that where the written word is concerned, please do not give me a single-page JS app 1267339;1441776269;gabriel_laddel;trinque: he is discussing nope.js, the javascript to parenscript transpiler 1267340;1441776274;BingoBoingo;trinque: I am referring to the latter in reference to gabriel_laddel's assertion javascript should be parsed at all. 1267341;1441776274;gabriel_laddel;(partially complete) 1267342;1441776284;trinque;mein gott 1267343;1441776284;gabriel_laddel;(it does an old version of JS) 1267344;1441776296;BingoBoingo;No version of JS is acceptable 1267345;1441776355;BingoBoingo;No version of postscript is acceptable either unless read with eyes and generated with TeX under careful watch with rifle at hand. 1267346;1441776370;gabriel_laddel;srsly gtfo 1267347;1441776386;BingoBoingo;Srsly we are dealing with the devil and his works 1267348;1441776413;trinque;the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow 1267349;1441776421;trinque;I tend to lean the way deedbot.org looks 1267350;1441776436;pete_dushenski;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell." 1267351;1441776437;assbot;A white guy named Michael couldn’t get his poem published. Then he became Yi-Fen Chou. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tS81 ) 1267352;1441776440;BingoBoingo;I'm not about to feed nytimes.com into anything that would do other than discard its JS 1267353;1441776443;trinque;but I've written some parenscript and it worked fine, and kept my brain from having context-switch fatigue 1267354;1441776533;trinque;the languages are close enough that it's really just an alternate JS syntax; not like you're compiling haskell to JS 1267355;1441776541;punkman;trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view. 1267356;1441776543;trinque;the JS output is entirely readable 1267357;1441776554;trinque;punkman: yeah well I don't start with boil the ocean 1267358;1441776564;trinque;but that'd be cool. 1267359;1441776565;BingoBoingo;trinque: I may be drunk so I may not have started my objections at the right place. Whatever code you privately jizz onto servers is yours. Code you try to make other people execute is a crime. 1267360;1441776580;trinque;now that's a place to begin talking. 1267361;1441776586;BingoBoingo;punkman: I'm liking Dillo a lot. 1267362;1441776629;trinque;BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run that locally than have this horrible half-creature that grabs code from everywhere, tries to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in the wind 1267363;1441776655;gabriel_laddel;punkman: trinque: the idea here is to use nope.js on conkeror, which is written in js 1267364;1441776658;BingoBoingo;trinque: Than do as I do, and don't run it. 1267365;1441776665;trinque;indeed. 1267366;1441776671;gabriel_laddel;it does about 40% right now 1267367;1441776673;gabriel_laddel;needs some love 1267368;1441776675;trinque;gabriel_laddel: yeah that immediately pissed me off 1267369;1441776685;trinque;expected lisp in conkeror, then... sadness 1267370;1441776713;gabriel_laddel;scripting it with PS sucks unless it is the "base layer" of the UI 1267371;1441776717;gabriel_laddel;which will take some work 1267372;1441776717;BingoBoingo;What is nope.js and how does it differ from mozilla pdf.js???? Why trust any javascript runtime? 1267373;1441776719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7170 @ 0.00075661 = 5.4249 BTC [+] 1267374;1441776732;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: nope.js is the name of the transpiler 1267375;1441776737;punkman;gabriel_laddel: well even if you can translate all the worl'ds js to lisp, I still don't want any JS 1267376;1441776739;trinque;BingoBoingo: he's talking about in the sort of XUL layer, if I understand firefox 1267377;1441776746;BingoBoingo;Yet you still write it in JS??? 1267378;1441776758;BingoBoingo;trinque: And that's a problem 1267379;1441776764;gabriel_laddel;punkman: there isn't really anyway out of that 1267380;1441776773;gabriel_laddel;unless I'm missing something big 1267381;1441776778;BingoBoingo;Zool is not a container, it is another devil. 1267382;1441776787;gabriel_laddel;my plan is to OCR + script the fuck out of the web 1267383;1441776791;gabriel_laddel;we shall see how it goes 1267384;1441776808;gabriel_laddel;building tesseract atm 1267385;1441776847;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, lets pass around javascript turds as FLAC files so we can infect our machines with cassette tapes 1267386;1441776885;trinque;I'm actually on-board that hypertext shouldn't specify executable code within 1267387;1441776895;punkman;I think youtube-dl has the right idea. https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl 1267388;1441776897;assbot;rg3/youtube-dl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0uw5t ) 1267389;1441776897;trinque;maybe it's got some data structure in it that has various "viewers" 1267390;1441776915;gabriel_laddel;trinque: presentation methods!? 1267391;1441776919;trinque;gabriel_laddel: yeah that 1267392;1441776926;trinque;CLIMweb when? 1267393;1441776928;gabriel_laddel;wtf is this hypertext 1267394;1441776931;gabriel_laddel;why "web" 1267395;1441776937;trinque;gabriel_laddel: hypertext is a word. 1267396;1441776937;gabriel_laddel;just programs with networking functionality 1267397;1441776950;trinque;has a very useful meaning. 1267398;1441776953;gabriel_laddel;what, every MMORPG is a "web" too? 1267399;1441776955;trinque;no, hypertext is not that 1267400;1441776959;gabriel_laddel;trinque: it does? 1267401;1441776962;trinque;oh stop, there were hypertext systems on general 1267402;1441776962;punkman;hypertext is term of art 1267403;1441776965;trinque;*genera 1267404;1441776984;gabriel_laddel;trinque: they didn't do *everything* correctly, but yes. 1267405;1441777001;gabriel_laddel;maxima has it's own syntax, for example. 1267406;1441777005;trinque;point being! 1267407;1441777008;gabriel_laddel;but I want the AST! 1267408;1441777009;trinque;this hypertext thing has massively worked out 1267409;1441777013;trinque;don't be stupid and ignore that 1267410;1441777017;trinque;because the browser is shit 1267411;1441777036;gabriel_laddel;why not use presentations? 1267412;1441777041;gabriel_laddel;I don't get why I need another language? 1267413;1441777053;gabriel_laddel;here are some objects, display them. "OK" 1267414;1441777055;trinque;don't care what you use; give me a universal reference to *THAT* concept 1267415;1441777076;trinque;and let me point at your concepts and make reference to them on *my* thing 1267416;1441777082;trinque;in the don't-call-it-hypertext 1267417;1441777105;gabriel_laddel;You want Super-Meta-Click IMHO 1267418;1441777106;gabriel_laddel;one sec 1267419;1441777107;gabriel_laddel;finding link 1267420;1441777129;trinque;hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. 1267421;1441777141;trinque;you don't just write in isolation; you write in a vast context of interrelated concepts 1267422;1441777220;trinque;so no, I don't think "run lisp program and open socket" is enough 1267423;1441777245;trinque;mabye we're all running the same lisp program, but you have to have a space within which (distributed CLOS??) the thing we're doing poorly on the www can be done better 1267424;1441777287;gabriel_laddel;Sure, I send you a sexpr containing a program you can load. 1267425;1441777298;gabriel_laddel;dunno what else you could possibly want, other than sane 3D etc. 1267426;1441777325;trinque;how did I know I want your program? 1267427;1441777326;gabriel_laddel;the "scaffolding" will evolve as you go 1267428;1441777335;gabriel_laddel;WoTnet. 1267429;1441777342;trinque;which is composed of what structure 1267430;1441777363;trinque;meaning. today I google some nonsense and google gives me my propagandized results 1267431;1441777372;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267215 transpiller should totally be a word. 1267432;1441777372;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:35:09; gabriel_laddel: there is a partially complete js->parenscript transpiler so that you don't have to read js 1267433;1441777376;mircea_popescu;it spills trans. 1267434;1441777398;BingoBoingo; it spills trans. << I though that was called prison??? 1267435;1441777417;trinque;damn socialists spilling trans everywhere 1267436;1441777429;gabriel_laddel;trinque: so someone could write and distribute a "~google search" that looks over the CLIM streams of all GUIs it knows about. 1267437;1441777440;mircea_popescu;alternatively it could be transpieler. where you play with the tran. 1267438;1441777441;trinque;right, that thing is necessary 1267439;1441777441;gabriel_laddel;if you don't like it, well, you've got the sexprs right there 1267440;1441777460;mircea_popescu;also i would like to point out that sex needs no pr. 1267441;1441777467;trinque;wahaha 1267442;1441777484;trinque;getting rather well known 1267443;1441777486;BingoBoingo; hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. << Seriously there is a specific harmless language or subset of language necessary for playing the presentation role. Something that by it's Phoosis can be presented safely 1267444;1441777505;trinque;I see what's asked for there. 1267445;1441777525;trinque;and on the other end, gabriel_laddel will tell you that's a (small) subset of his lispy metaverse 1267446;1441777548;mircea_popescu;the drunk to cereal interaction is very golden. 1267447;1441777548;trinque;gabriel_laddel: what of gentlemen like BingoBoingo that want to write and link things 1267448;1441777564;BingoBoingo;For safety though it should not be a part of that, but merely interpreted through a progam in that 1267449;1441777570;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I don't see how this is a problem? 1267450;1441777571;trinque;in what space do these links exist? what are they addressing? so on so on 1267451;1441777593;gabriel_laddel;trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development. 1267452;1441777597;trinque;dunno that you see or perhaps don't value the problem the web did solve 1267453;1441777606;BingoBoingo; trinque: I don't see how this is a problem? << I am a librarian, a collector. I want to collect information without collecting a bunch of executable rat turds 1267454;1441777610;trinque;seems to me you end up with another browser 1267455;1441777636;BingoBoingo; trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development. << NO, this is developing separate universes 1267456;1441777640;gabriel_laddel;trinque: the whole lispm is a "browser" if you go that direction with words. 1267457;1441777657;trinque;"you can do anything at zombocom" is not why the web blew up 1267458;1441777662;trinque;it blew up because it was absurdly simple 1267459;1441777664;gabriel_laddel;that browser (to me) means strictly JS+CSS+HTML 1267460;1441777672;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267251 << moreover, if gpg messages were code rather than data i'd have gpg rewritten to a thing that keeps messages strictly as data. BingoBoingo exactly has it : there is no room nor need for every bit of text to be "really code". i want my nano to be UNABLE to do anything whatsoever with the text. which is why i use nano rather than emacs. 1267461;1441777672;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:51:28; punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english" 1267462;1441777685;mircea_popescu;if i want it to be able to do things with the text, then yes i want full ast bla bla. 1267463;1441777708;BingoBoingo;Executable things can go in the Lispy read, sign, check signatures, and execute world. Documents need to be in the don't give a fuck read the derp and laugh universe 1267464;1441777724;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion 1267465;1441777738;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion << FUCK YOU IMMA DRAGON 1267466;1441777743;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case. 1267467;1441777764;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case. << AND yet you Hearnia around the details 1267468;1441777776;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: I do? 1267469;1441777822;trinque;^ guy is just more interested in his lisp system than a particular app on it. I contend the mega-app on any computer now and in the future will be a hypertext system. 1267470;1441777838;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: The difference between what you do now and what Mike Hearn does is 2013 and 2015. Mike Hearn knew his mission was to destroy through evangalism. You may no that, you may not but that is still your net effect. 1267471;1441777840;trinque;because that's what language always was 1267472;1441777841;gabriel_laddel;I fucking write "apps" for it now, for money. 1267473;1441777845;gabriel_laddel;it isnt' a big deal 1267474;1441777846;gabriel_laddel;just do it 1267475;1441777890;BingoBoingo;For a while I did girls for money, was a huge hassel, not worth it, because the girls were huge. Giggolo is a dead end. 1267476;1441777906;trinque;lol 1267477;1441777924;BingoBoingo;Seriously are we channeling Nike shoe slogans here, Just do it? 1267478;1441777964;BingoBoingo;AND I am the one using ambiguous metaphores??? 1267479;1441777968;trinque;a safe hypertext system could easily be tossing sepxrs over the wire with *no* code, just piles of data 1267480;1441777977;pete_dushenski;"[Damon] Wayans defended [Bill] Cosby. Among his comments: “I don’t believe he was raping. I think he was in relationships with all of them.” “If you listen to them talk, they go: ‘Well, the first time.’ The first time? Bitch, how many times did it happen?” 1267481;1441777977;pete_dushenski;“Some of them, really, is un-rapeable. I look at them and go, ‘No, you don’t want that.'” “If it was my daughter, then I would have killed Bill Cosby. But sitting back looking at it, I think it’s a money hustle.” 1267482;1441777979;trinque;various presentations for various kinds of data yes, one of them a link 1267483;1441777982;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval* to nil" meh. this works in the same sense "provable code" works. in academia. 1267484;1441777988;mircea_popescu;you won't have a leakless pipe, ever. 1267485;1441778008;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: well by that token, the same stands for nano 1267486;1441778019;mircea_popescu;mno. 1267487;1441778023;mircea_popescu;nano isn't a pipe. 1267488;1441778032;mircea_popescu;and if it is fouind behaving like a pipe it gets shot in the head. 1267489;1441778040;mircea_popescu;whereas your thing is only maybe shot in the head if found leaking. 1267490;1441778045;mircea_popescu;very different standards these. 1267491;1441778053;gabriel_laddel;how many LoC is nano? 1267492;1441778056;gabriel_laddel;vs. SBCL? 1267493;1441778062;gabriel_laddel;SBCL is 400k 1267494;1441778067;gabriel_laddel;or thereabouts 1267495;1441778067;mircea_popescu;;;google how many loc is nano 1267496;1441778068;gribble;Microservices? What about Nanoservices? - InfoQ: ; Nanotron Technologies GmbH - Transceivers: ; Máy lọc nước Nano, Nhập khẩu Nhật Bản 100% chính hãng ...: 1267497;1441778084;mircea_popescu;heh. google is so useful seriously. 1267498;1441778095;mircea_popescu;no wonder they stopped working on search to develop... what the fuck is it they do these days again ? 1267499;1441778107;trinque;surveillance apparatus as far as I can tell 1267500;1441778108;gabriel_laddel;self driving cars 1267501;1441778111;trinque;o that 1267502;1441778118;trinque;I count that under "ad company" 1267503;1441778134;trinque;as in, google does self-driving cars and definitely not surveillance 1267504;1441778142;trinque;though I guess that's getting them into the assassination gig 1267505;1441778174;pete_dushenski;google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field, then mothballs and leaves a competitive void 1267506;1441778179;trinque;gabriel_laddel: if I don't know you, I may still want to listen to you for a moment, to see what you're about 1267507;1441778183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00075661 = 8.6254 BTC [+] 1267508;1441778203;gabriel_laddel;trinque: ? 1267509;1441778208;trinque;why should I have to run a program *of yours* at all to get certain information from you? 1267510;1441778220;gabriel_laddel;you shouldn't. 1267511;1441778221;trinque;I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations 1267512;1441778227;BingoBoingo; how many LoC is nano? << a large portion is what those LOC do 1267513;1441778233;gabriel_laddel;holy fuck, bind *read-eval* to nil 1267514;1441778238;gabriel_laddel;then read in the string 1267515;1441778239;gabriel_laddel;the end 1267516;1441778265;gabriel_laddel;"Do I like this string, would I like more from the identity that produced it?" 1267517;1441778268;gabriel_laddel;and airgap 1267518;1441778274;gabriel_laddel;dunno what I'm missing here 1267519;1441778280;BingoBoingo; I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles. 1267520;1441778311;BingoBoingo; dunno what I'm missing here << All of the shit you want to hinge on this 1267521;1441778318;*;gabriel_laddel will find nano LoC stats *after* I find the quote I am looking for. 1267522;1441778344;BingoBoingo;Right now we plainly live on C machines. 1267523;1441778358;trinque;anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. 1267524;1441778379;BingoBoingo; anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. << Gopher is beautiful 1267525;1441778381;trinque;and that I can see is readily built on a proper lisp system 1267526;1441778385;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah I recall it 1267527;1441778400;trinque;strict about the URL structure or w/e it was, isn't it? 1267528;1441778409;trinque;has some concept of menu 1267529;1441778412;*;trinque looks 1267530;1441778413;BingoBoingo;Very strict 1267531;1441778535;mircea_popescu;the lulz being that ubuntu gedit goes "do you want this file displayed or executed ?" 1267532;1441778542;mircea_popescu;this should never be a possible question. 1267533;1441778553;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1267534;1441778575;mircea_popescu;and no, it's not ok to take the windows route and just execute everything. 1267535;1441778588;BingoBoingo;I have not seen a graphical WWW browser other than Dillo that does not execute any documents. 1267536;1441778603;mircea_popescu;links 1267537;1441778613;mircea_popescu;and, of course, curl. that golden standard of all browsers 1267538;1441778615;mircea_popescu;FOR THIS REASON 1267539;1441778647;BingoBoingo;Links, lynx, and curl sure, but still how much ought these be trusted??? WIth their stinky libjpeg 1267540;1441778672;mircea_popescu;neither displays jpegs anyway 1267541;1441778697;gabriel_laddel;trinque: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ 1267542;1441778698;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoVPZc ) 1267543;1441778706;gabriel_laddel;^ quote I was looking for 1267544;1441778798;pete_dushenski;https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-upkJ-O10HnE/UDVo-nADThI/AAAAAAAAITk/PPcqRRrAY_U/w800-h800/photo.jpg << dilbert on google. apt. 1267545;1441778799;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoVUMg ) 1267546;1441778855;mircea_popescu;ok this just beats all. 1267547;1441778914;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/198EDMN 1267548;1441778915;assbot;dpaste: 198EDMN ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS50ep ) 1267549;1441778926;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Links displays images, Lynx is the one that doesn't 1267550;1441778946;trinque;lolol and a facebook link 1267551;1441778950;mircea_popescu;"angela", stop being a derp, we need chinese speakers for better jobs than mashing hands on keyboards to produce email addresses. 1267552;1441778956;mircea_popescu;saddest waste of a log reading ever i swear. 1267553;1441778988;mircea_popescu;"Singyue star, china". you know, like "rome, wisconsin". 1267554;1441779004;BingoBoingo;Prolly less Obesity at least 1267555;1441779017;mircea_popescu;i'd expect. 1267556;1441779043;BingoBoingo;Hard to get fat on plastic 1267557;1441779077;pete_dushenski;i think the rice was paper now 1267558;1441779096;trinque;gabriel_laddel: how do I refer to your CLOS object which represents a paper you have written? I would like to direct people to it from my CLOS object representing a blog post. 1267559;1441779098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.0007479 = 21.4647 BTC [-] {4} 1267560;1441779112;trinque;this the web has, and it is why it blew up. 1267561;1441779119;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, Chicoms are mixing US corn with polymer to make rice now. Cheapest option 1267562;1441779143;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you call a program to display my paper? 1267563;1441779151;gabriel_laddel;sorry, are you asking what the UI should look like? 1267564;1441779154;trinque;no. 1267565;1441779163;gabriel_laddel;or do you want a spec for how the "dispatch" occurs? 1267566;1441779168;BingoBoingo;How does the flow look like 1267567;1441779169;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: corn, obv. and paper too ! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265384 1267568;1441779169;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2015 17:43:24; fluffypony: damn the Chinese are getting desperate for profit: http://shanghaiist.com/2015/09/06/fake_paper_rice.php 1267569;1441779197;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Ah, sorry. People make paper for cigarettes out of rice starch. 1267570;1441779223;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora. 1267571;1441779223;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:05:13; trinque: I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit 1267572;1441779232;gabriel_laddel;... 1267573;1441779248;mircea_popescu;which is directly that, hair on someone else's shit (aka game server) 1267574;1441779259;mircea_popescu;except deliberately so. 1267575;1441779273;gabriel_laddel;trinque: Right now I can press C-t m, pull up a "map" of all "research nodes" and "lessons" and right click to get a menu from which I can run the associated program. 1267576;1441779276;trinque;yep, that's sort of how I see them; this interface is butts, I would like to pretend it is not 1267577;1441779283;mircea_popescu;(ie, that's the point of a game in the general sense : to not let you solve problems the obvious way. (which in this context would just be skill++ or something equivalent)) 1267578;1441779287;trinque;gabriel_laddel: you will not have the whole internet on one machine! 1267579;1441779294;trinque;what is the addressing mechanism for a world of clos objects? 1267580;1441779308;gabriel_laddel;trinque: PGP identity with a list of programs to run. 1267581;1441779317;trinque;I want to make reference to your information, not host it 1267582;1441779319;trinque;no, not enough 1267583;1441779359;gabriel_laddel;I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" 1267584;1441779366;gabriel_laddel;or "here are the sources" 1267585;1441779383;mircea_popescu;how about http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/#selection-41.0-41.15 1267586;1441779384;assbot;The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWpGf ) 1267587;1441779387;mircea_popescu;that's reference enough 1267588;1441779406;trinque;mircea_popescu: indeed! I don't think gabriel_laddel sees what hypertext is 1267589;1441779431;BingoBoingo; I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" << Publication. Paper and film only have the problem that they are slow and take too much volume for their information density. Why should machines not offer a path at least as safe. 1267590;1441779433;mircea_popescu;tbh this extended hypertext thing i got on trilema kicks all imaginable butt 1267591;1441779447;mircea_popescu;50 times a day i go for it on random sites and they're too web 0.5 for it 1267592;1441779462;trinque;yep, and I wanna poke someone's data set with something that specific 1267593;1441779509;trinque;gabriel_laddel has a CLOS object which represents his number of slithey toves 1267594;1441779515;trinque;and I want to make reference to that, not copy it 1267595;1441779543;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you can only make a reference with 'respect to me' 1267596;1441779550;gabriel_laddel;using whatever criteria you'd like 1267597;1441779557;gabriel_laddel;nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 1267598;1441779559;trinque;no that sucks 1267599;1441779566;trinque;www wins still. 1267600;1441779577;gabriel_laddel;trinque: this is how URLs work already. 1267601;1441779592;trinque;ah well elaborate then 1267602;1441779595;FUIAD;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Reddragon.jpg/464px-Reddragon.jpg 1267603;1441779596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWz0n ) 1267604;1441779596;trinque;define "with respect to me" 1267605;1441779604;trinque;gabriel_laddel: so you have your own addressing scheme 1267606;1441779610;FUIAD;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/William_Blake_003.jpg/487px-William_Blake_003.jpg 1267607;1441779611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWwS9 ) 1267608;1441779629;trinque;www also worked because HTTP 1267609;1441779639;trinque;not your particular way of addressing things per server 1267610;1441779643;AndTheBeastFromT;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Blakebeast1bg.jpg/536px-Blakebeast1bg.jpg 1267611;1441779644;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWA4j ) 1267612;1441779768;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them. Your "references" can be any arbitary computation, buut probably some standards will evolve (e.g., we don't check sexprs who pass some test of being a plist of the structure (:name ... :version ...)). 1267613;1441779776;gabriel_laddel;where :name names the program, :version, the version 1267614;1441779809;gabriel_laddel;it will evolve out of whatever the "networking" substrate ends up being and tbh, I don't see what the big deal is? 1267615;1441779821;gabriel_laddel;none of this is hard to code - you hack around until something "clicks" 1267616;1441779838;BingoBoingo; trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them... << It is essential for WoT to exist that I can safely point at the enemy's words and bury them in sulfur 1267617;1441779850;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: yep. 1267618;1441779859;gabriel_laddel;"I don't want to see people who cite XYZ" 1267619;1441779864;gabriel_laddel;because morons. 1267620;1441779881;BingoBoingo;But that means their publication MUST BE safe, crippled, non-executable characters 1267621;1441779906;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: bind real eval to nil 1267622;1441779914;BingoBoingo; "I don't want to see people who cite XYZ" << No who cites XYZ is how you make rope to hang 1267623;1441779936;gabriel_laddel;whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against 1267624;1441779939;gabriel_laddel;you can hang whoever 1267625;1441779969;mircea_popescu; nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 << win. srsly. 1267626;1441779986;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: fuck you and your intuition about things 1267627;1441779989;gabriel_laddel;;) 1267628;1441779995;mircea_popescu;lol 1267629;1441779998;trinque;this whole email thing is a turd 1267630;1441780005;trinque;spamassassin raping my VPS 1267631;1441780005;mircea_popescu;it is a shade better than just intuition :) 1267632;1441780020;BingoBoingo; whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against << FYIAD, I don't need structure: I eat, hang, and burn 1267633;1441780045;gabriel_laddel;;; ud FYIAD 1267634;1441780046;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FYIAD | Aug 26, 2007 ... Top Definition. FYIAD. Fuck You, I'm A Dragon Originated in some lame back-and -forth furry argument, but when you think about it, it's a good ... 1267635;1441780046;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu 1267636;1441780047;assbot;Project Xanadu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWQAi ) 1267637;1441780053;BingoBoingo; spamassassin raping my VPS << I don't find email important enough to not outsource 1267638;1441780065;gabriel_laddel;punkman: yeah, several people have dropped that link on me 1267639;1441780103;punkman;required reading for anyone dabbling in hypertext 1267640;1441780232;BingoBoingo;For the record this is the original and only meaningful spec for hypertext, predates LISP by two decades https://archive.is/ezrwO 1267641;1441780234;assbot;As We May Think - Vannevar Bush - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS7kSD ) 1267642;1441780317;punkman;gabriel_laddel: yeah, don't be ted nelson :P 1267643;1441780387;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: are you running Masamune in production? 1267644;1441780390;ben_vulpes;"production"? 1267645;1441780422;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: something like that 1267646;1441780437;BingoBoingo;How can one even pretend to have a hypertext spec or its substitute without citing Vannevar Bush 1267647;1441780441;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I did the project, they thought it had "too many options" so I'm cutting some out 1267648;1441780462;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I should actually be cutting out options right now, but I'm instead drinking and browsing the net 1267649;1441780463;ben_vulpes;how's masamune progressing? 1267650;1441780467;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: slowly 1267651;1441780477;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: you can use it iff you follow the guide 1267652;1441780519;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: but goddamnit I need interns. I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc over the weekend and I'm going to play around with that whenever I have free time. 1267653;1441780546;ben_vulpes;ah nifty. 1267654;1441780560;ben_vulpes;what does 'master lisp proc' mean in this context? the lisp image you run continuously? 1267655;1441780564;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1267656;1441780567;gabriel_laddel;so I have CLIM etc 1267657;1441780576;gabriel_laddel;for those of you who have not seen femlisp, MGL-MAT and MJR_CALC, the full nifty of this might not be readily apparent. 1267658;1441780589;gabriel_laddel;all loaded in the same proc, all with access to BLAS, CUDA etc. 1267659;1441780718;mircea_popescu; none of this is hard to code - you hack around until something "clicks" << this ftr is philosophically wrong. in that it reduces to the exact opposite of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-07-2015#1217312 1267660;1441780718;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else 1267661;1441780723;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'm about ready to pull the plug on this server and give all smtp over to the enemy 1267662;1441780731;mircea_popescu;esp the "no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else." part. 1267663;1441780768;ben_vulpes;trinque: what's happening to your smtp holes? 1267664;1441780769;BingoBoingo;trinque: Fastmail.fm isn't the shittiest. Can't really endorse any email provider, but they are the least condemned as far as I know. 1267665;1441780810;trinque;ben_vulpes: cron job doing sa-learn on incoming spam is choking the box; while moving I have IRC up there instead of at home, proving... laggy 1267666;1441780828;ben_vulpes;wait, what happened to tls cutting all of your spam to nil? 1267667;1441780839;trinque;the turdatron 1267668;1441780841;mircea_popescu;"femlisp" ? women in tech ?~! 1267669;1441780848;ben_vulpes;ahyu 1267670;1441780853;BingoBoingo;"Professionally our methods of transmitting and reviewing the results of research are generations old and by now are totally inadequate for their purpose. If the aggregate time spent in writing scholarly works and in reading them could be evaluated, the ratio between these amounts of time might well be startling. Those who conscientiously attempt to keep abreast of current thought, even in restricted fields, by close and continuou 1267671;1441780853;BingoBoingo;s reading might well shy away from an examination calculated to show how much of the previous month's efforts could be produced on call. Mendel's concept of the laws of genetics was lost to the world for a generation because his publication did not reach the few who were capable of grasping and extending it; and this sort of catastrophe is undoubtedly being repeated all about us, as truly significant attainments become lost in the 1267672;1441780854;BingoBoingo; mass of the inconsequential." << Critical application of actual hypertext 1267673;1441780867;trinque;I give up; google owns mail 1267674;1441780887;BingoBoingo;trinque: Nah Opera/Fastmail beats the shit out of Google 1267675;1441780890;ben_vulpes;herr mircea_popescu has as well, you're in good company 1267676;1441780907;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes let it be noted that i had no problem witgh spam, in spuite of not using google. 1267677;1441780914;trinque;so I run my own mailserver, and I get what 1267678;1441780917;mircea_popescu;my problem is that middlemen are broken 1267679;1441780932;ben_vulpes;what's your spamsolution, mircea_popescu? 1267680;1441780939;trinque;I get a terrible hobby. 1267681;1441780947;ben_vulpes;heh. 1267682;1441780971;BingoBoingo;Especially relevant for gabriel_laddel: "Babbage, even with remarkably generous support for his time, could not produce his great arithmetical machine. His idea was sound enough, but construction and maintenance costs were then too heavy. Had a Pharaoh been given detailed and explicit designs of an automobile, and had he understood them completely, it would have taxed the resources of his kingdom to have fashioned the thousands of 1267683;1441780972;BingoBoingo; parts for a single car, and that car would have broken down on the first trip to Giza." 1267684;1441780981;mircea_popescu;my spamsolution is that all incoming from emails i never sent to is autodropped. 1267685;1441780982;mircea_popescu;silentily. 1267686;1441780998;mircea_popescu;works splendidly, too. 1267687;1441781023;ben_vulpes;hm 1267688;1441781078;BingoBoingo;brb scouting pillage and jools 1267689;1441781080;mircea_popescu;occasionally i fish through the mire, as a curiosity thing. but it's quite different 1267690;1441781124;mircea_popescu;ie, the "bayesian" twerps have it all wrong. it's dumbass to try and protect an inbox with regexp, and especially their halfbaked regexp based ai 1267691;1441781137;mircea_popescu;however, it's fun to fish in a swamp with regexp. when you feel so inclined. 1267692;1441781276;ben_vulpes;youtube-dl? 1267693;1441781280;ben_vulpes;because vlc is too hard? 1267694;1441781321;BingoBoingo; youtube-dl? << Or save-as 1267695;1441781332;punkman;ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources though? 1267696;1441781343;punkman;save-as doesn't work 1267697;1441781345;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267314 << for the record, ascribing purpose to phenomena is basically animism 2.0, and just as medieval as the other thing. for all you know gauss was not "a bit of a coward", and your p[rojection into the future whebn discussing einstein more indicative of an anachronistic mind than some sort of valuable intuition. for all you know gauss just didn't think the idiots arou 1267698;1441781345;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:17:33; gabriel_laddel: "On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably more illuminati 1267699;1441781345;mircea_popescu;nd him were worthy of being told about it. for all you know the notions of "progress and science" incumbent in the perspective you propose are so much masturbatory jizz, and in point of fact intelligent people share their thoughts exactly like a comedian shares his routine : to friends, in a social environment, for the same reasons in the same ways. 1267700;1441781359;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources though? << VLC, Parole, pretty much eveything works 1267701;1441781367;BingoBoingo;except x.265 1267702;1441781380;mircea_popescu;"the prince of mathematicians" in-fucking-deed. 1267703;1441781388;BingoBoingo; save-as doesn't work << If it doesn't the problem is higher up your toolchain 1267704;1441781496;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: http://www.femlisp.org/ 1267705;1441781497;assbot;FEMLISP Homepage ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS9WA3 ) 1267706;1441781513;mircea_popescu;i r disappoint. 1267707;1441781515;punkman;BingoBoingo: ok, how do I save-as on vimeo? 1267708;1441781550;mircea_popescu;"this femlisp privileges useful work and meaningful abstractions over other verbiage that is a lot more important to us" 1267709;1441781550;mircea_popescu;~luce irigaray. 1267710;1441781602;mircea_popescu;punkman generally you need a decent video driver, something that does the equivalent of "print to file" 1267711;1441781666;mircea_popescu;if you get it to run under x it's a lot easier. 1267712;1441781668;punkman;I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser 1267713;1441781701;mircea_popescu;oh. 1267714;1441781721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00075033 = 47.3458 BTC [+] {3} 1267715;1441781721;mircea_popescu;the only way such a thing will be published will be under a tmsr license. for obvious reasons. 1267716;1441781724;punkman;the save-as button I have, does work in many occasions. but mostly doesn't 1267717;1441781733;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: as for that quote, agreed - I should have quoted 3 paragraphs up. 1267718;1441781817;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: and wrt "hacking around until something clicks", this is the only way I know how to work on UIs and other 'finicky' programs? You certainly don't distribute this to friends who don't program. 1267719;1441781841;gabriel_laddel;so, for example, the notion of references on a CLIMweb running on a WoTnet 1267720;1441781844;mircea_popescu;i still manage to distribute trilema to people who don't program 1267721;1441781861;mircea_popescu;note that im not saying this is a good idea. i'm entirely unconvinced at the moment. but still, fwiw, iwii. 1267722;1441781886;gabriel_laddel;sure, but you rewrite sentences several times before you distribute. 1267723;1441781891;mircea_popescu;that, i do not. 1267724;1441781899;gabriel_laddel;oh right, I knew that 1267725;1441781916;mircea_popescu;i would estimate less than 1% of trilema words were ever rewritten. it's pretty much first pass. 1267726;1441781965;thestringpuller;i read an article that F. Scott Fitzgerald used to revise for years after his first draft... 1267727;1441781993;mircea_popescu;flaubert is famous for having declaredly spent weeks trying to decide on a temperature value in cote de chez swann 1267728;1441781998;mircea_popescu;iirc he settled oin 29 in the end 1267729;1441782039;ben_vulpes;> femlisp 1267730;1441782043;ben_vulpes;whoa 1267731;1441782116;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: http://www.mitchr.me/SS/mjrcalc/ 1267732;1441782118;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0DvDQ ) 1267733;1441782159;ben_vulpes;no stop i have to go do things to a girl 1267734;1441782160;*;mircea_popescu is kind-of nonplussed nobody called him on the misattribution of proust's work. but anyway, twas "Bouvard et Pcuchet", and the dilemma was 30 or 34, and he settled on 30. you people need to read more literature. 1267735;1441782182;gabriel_laddel;lol 1267736;1441782210;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: ftr, MJR_CALC compiles without any work on my part aside from 1267737;1441782217;gabriel_laddel;(let* ((mjrcalc-path (qlpp "/lispy/"))) 1267738;1441782217;gabriel_laddel; (load (merge-pathnames mjrcalc-path "lib-meta.lisp")) 1267739;1441782217;gabriel_laddel; (eval (read-from-string "(mjr_meta::mjr_meta_load-packages :BASE-PATH \"~/quicklisp/local-projects/lispy/\")")) 1267740;1441782217;gabriel_laddel; (eval (read-from-string "(mjr_meta::mjr_meta_use-packages :BASE-PATH \"~/quicklisp/local-projects/lispy/\")"))) 1267741;1441782219;*;pete_dushenski goes to read more literature. gnite ! 1267742;1441782259;gabriel_laddel;Completing the above thought (CLIMweb) : there are two obvious categories of references, those that contain (backup) the reference and those that do not. Those that do not should be of one of two types - an identifier coupled with an identity, which you can use to lookup in the WoT you can "see" and "speculative" references, e.g., some arbitary computation. 1267743;1441782307;gabriel_laddel;Now, I don't *know* exactly what particular sexpr will 'click' for my program, so I'll write a few versions, find something I like and then distribute it. 1267744;1441782594;BingoBoingo; I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser << Of all things Chromium on OpenBSd has this along with most other browsers 1267745;1441782822;BingoBoingo; (let* ((mjrcalc-path (qlpp "/lispy/")))... << How exactly to we trust this far before hardware? 1267746;1441783062;BingoBoingo;Pretending to thing that do not yet exist is the definition of "terminal psychosis" 1267747;1441783173;punkman;!up Vexual 1267748;1441783183;Vexual;meta tiem 1267749;1441783250;Vexual;notrlly 1267750;1441783509;Vexual;!s trippy 1267751;1441783509;assbot;18 results for 'trippy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trippy 1267752;1441784184;BingoBoingo;;;later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously read the Vannevar Bush paper. You are solving too many problems with too few tools. Classic circular saw/Hammer problem. 1267753;1441784184;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1267754;1441784457;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUge-brzn94 1267755;1441784837;BingoBoingo;"Let us project this trend ahead to a logical, if not inevitable, outcome. The camera hound of the future wears on his forehead a lump a little larger than a walnut. It takes pictures 3 millimeters square, later to be projected or enlarged, which after all involves only a factor of 10 beyond present practice. The lens is of universal focus, down to any distance accommodated by the unaided eye, simply because it is of short focal l 1267756;1441784837;BingoBoingo;ength. There is a built-in photocell on the walnut such as we now have on at least one camera, which automatically adjusts exposure for a wide range of illumination. There is film in the walnut for a hundred exposures, and the spring for operating its shutter and shifting its film is wound once for all when the film clip is inserted. It produces its result in full color. It may well be stereoscopic, and record with two spaced glas 1267757;1441784840;BingoBoingo;s eyes, for striking improvements in stereoscopic technique are just around the corner." << This was Vannevar's design 1267758;1441784989;BingoBoingo;Laser printers etc. "Another process now in use is also slow, and more or less clumsy. For fifty years impregnated papers have been used which turn dark at every point where an electrical contact touches them, by reason of the chemical change thus produced in an iodine compound included in the paper. They have been used to make records, for a pointer moving across them can leave a trail behind. If the electrical potential on the p 1267759;1441784989;BingoBoingo;ointer is varied as it moves, the line becomes light or dark in accordance with the potential." << Are we getting spooked yet? 1267760;1441785529;BingoBoingo;OLEDs how do they work? "Use chemically treated film in place of the glowing screen, allow the apparatus to transmit one picture only rather than a succession, and a rapid camera for dry photography results." 1267761;1441785974;BingoBoingo;Also actual computers, a rarity: "With machines for advanced analysis no such situation existed; for there was and is no extensive market; the users of advanced methods of manipulating data are a very small part of the population. There are, however, machines for solving differential equationsand functional and integral equations, for that matter. There are many special machines, such as the harmonic synthesizer which predicts 1267762;1441785974;BingoBoingo;the tides. There will be many more, appearing certainly first in the hands of the scientist and in small numbers." 1267763;1441786444;BingoBoingo;;;google memex 1267764;1441786444;gribble;Memex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Memex – DARPA's search engine for the Dark Web | Naked Security: ; Memex In Action: Watch DARPA Artificial Intelligence Search For ...: 5s delay for everything 1267794;1441789152;Naphex;which users absolutely hate in the context of live video chat 1267795;1441789177;Naphex;a shitfuckstack 1267796;1441789273;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sagq3V5K_CA 1267797;1441789274;assbot;Reggie Watts - Fuck Shit Stack - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGlbR5 ) 1267798;1441789280;Naphex;punkman: exactly :P 1267799;1441794531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18298 @ 0.0007484 = 13.6942 BTC [+] 1267800;1441795142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23612 @ 0.00075251 = 17.7683 BTC [+] 1267801;1441795614;shinohai;;;ticker 1267802;1441795615;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.06, Best ask: 239.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 239.06, 24 hour volume: 14672.0436584, 24 hour low: 239.23, 24 hour high: 246.52, 24 hour vwap: None 1267803;1441795754;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/us/2015/09/09/john-mcafee-might-run-for-president/ <<< Wait until he gets pilled up on Xanax again and starts firing missiles at Belize. 1267804;1441795755;assbot;John McAfee might run for president ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOcS4a ) 1267805;1441797705;Naphex;shinohai: belize is so screwed :)) 1267806;1441797971;mircea_popescu;we should xt mcafee 1267807;1441797977;mircea_popescu;more cheaper missiles. 1267808;1441798191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0007484 = 10.5524 BTC [-] 1267809;1441798488;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. 1267810;1441798488;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:59; gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards. 1267811;1441798677;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267210 << strictly when not hungry 1267812;1441798677;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:11; pete_dushenski: though i have to say, asciilifeform, for a starved man, you think mighty clearly. 1267813;1441798734;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267099 < dunno if magical, but still runs. 1267814;1441798734;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 02:31:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of this, does kakobrekla's magical car still run ? 1267815;1441798740;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: neato 1267816;1441798778;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267236 << the path to fits-in-head STRICTLY depends on every particular thing on the machine being implemented ONCE. this includes lexer, parser, related items. 1267817;1441798778;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:45:27; punkman: and what's wrong with notation/dsl/mini-languages? 1267818;1441798909;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267274 << gabriel_laddel: you are speaking mostly to folks who haven't grasped lisp. sorta like showing a modern army base to medieval commander - he will not be able to see past it being 'a terrible castle, where the fuck are the walls and moats' 1267819;1441798909;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:57:07; gabriel_laddel: because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed to get more of the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs 1267820;1441798961;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267296 << this. 1267821;1441798961;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:04:15; trinque: BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it, that all syntaxes can be done within the lisp system, and simultaneously you find that the vast majority aren't necessary 1267822;1441798990;asciilifeform;most of the 'small languages' on a unix box are 'glue'. you don't need glue on a sane computer. 1267823;1441799018;asciilifeform;just as properly made furniture does not contain glue. 1267824;1441799209;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267350 << mega-l0l! can't wait for arbitrarily more of this! 1267825;1441799209;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:27:16; pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell." 1267826;1441799221;shinohai;@ asciilifeform is your node back up and running? One I was connected to is down :/ 1267827;1441799230;asciilifeform;shinohai: zoolag is running 1267828;1441799241;shinohai;ip ? 1267829;1441799248;asciilifeform;same as before 1267830;1441799250;asciilifeform;!s zoolag 1267831;1441799250;assbot;47 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag 1267832;1441799275;shinohai;thx 1267833;1441799363;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << what is 'sane browser' ? if it is simply 'loads text', then mircea_popescu has it, run 'curl' ! but noooooo, you wanna read new york birdcage liner, aha ? then you're stuck with the shit soup, sorry. 1267834;1441799363;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view. 1267835;1441799370;shinohai;So close to full sync 1267836;1441799401;kakobrekla;btw iirc today is tx spam day ? 1267837;1441799402;asciilifeform;a good bit of the 'modern' www has dynamically loaded text, even, just as a pill against folks using lynx etc 1267838;1441799416;kakobrekla;or tomorrow 1267839;1441799435;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if it's today, the spamatron must be clogged 1267840;1441799441;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: 'cause i'm not seeing it. 1267841;1441799449;kakobrekla;let see 1267842;1441799643;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267483 << mircea_popescu: actually this is an order of magnitude tighter guarantee than ANYTHING pertaining to 'nano' or other c crapolade presently in use on your machine. 1267843;1441799643;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:53:02; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval* to nil" meh. this works in the same sense "provable code" works. in academia. 1267844;1441799756;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267484 << this is an uncommonly poor analogy, considering that even the humble world of physical pipes is full of pipes which do not leak. trivially, e.g., a rifle barrel 1267845;1441799756;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:53:08; mircea_popescu: you won't have a leakless pipe, ever. 1267846;1441799796;asciilifeform;yes, bury it in the forest for 80 years and perhaps it will leak. 1267847;1441799882;asciilifeform;but engineering is fundamentally about ~known~ constraints. and this can be achieved in, e.g., cpu design, and the whole motherfucking system, there is no magic here. microshit's greatest crime is teaching three generations of people that it ~is~ somehow magic, and unachievable. this is a crock of shit. 1267848;1441799936;asciilifeform;even ~actual~ cosmic rays can be dealt with. we know how. 1267849;1441800013;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267505 << like a dung beetle, google does not devour anything valuable to you and i. the only possible exception might be the usenet archive 1267850;1441800013;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:56:14; pete_dushenski: google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field, then mothballs and leaves a competitive void 1267851;1441800037;asciilifeform;but in the case of the latter ('dejanews') there never WAS any competition 1267852;1441800049;asciilifeform;they purchased and rebranded THE monopoly. 1267853;1441800143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48836 @ 0.00074457 = 36.3618 BTC [-] {6} 1267854;1441800152;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267519 << the great inventor wheatstone wanted to build a telephone grid! but, of course, using vibrating piano wire. how else. 1267855;1441800152;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 05:58:00; BingoBoingo: I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles. 1267856;1441800180;asciilifeform;iirc he was the first man to conceive the words 'telephone' and 'microphone' 1267857;1441800199;asciilifeform;(and a thousand other now-ubiquitous concepts) 1267858;1441800284;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267551 << for what, exactly ? and did the asteroid hit, or what, is there a shortage of cn speakers now? 1267859;1441800284;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:09:10; mircea_popescu: "angela", stop being a derp, we need chinese speakers for better jobs than mashing hands on keyboards to produce email addresses. 1267860;1441800295;shinohai;Zoolag: trying connection 195.211.154.159:8333 lastseen=-372722.3hrs lasttry=-400500.1hrs 1267861;1441800297;shinohai;connect() failed after select(): Connection refused 1267862;1441800327;asciilifeform;shinohai: that ain't zoolag 1267863;1441800365;shinohai;My bad. 1267864;1441800427;shinohai;I changed the ip in my alias, dunno why it is still connecting there 1267865;1441800452;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267570 << this kind of 'macro' has precisely as much to do with lisp macros as microshit excel macros do. which is to say, NOTHING AT ALL. they are as closely related as cat is to chair - both have four legs, that's it 1267866;1441800452;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:13:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora. 1267867;1441800526;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!! 1267868;1441800526;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:26:09; mircea_popescu: nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 << win. srsly. 1267869;1441800530;asciilifeform;count libc !!! 1267870;1441800610;asciilifeform;btw, 'nano' is titanically bloated - see, http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/faq.html#3.6 1267871;1441800612;assbot;The GNU nano editor FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Npr2LL ) 1267872;1441800661;asciilifeform;and ftr i fucking HATE nano. it SHITS SPURIOUS LINEFEEDS into pasted text !! 1267873;1441800688;asciilifeform;if i want a line feed, i will PRESS THE FUCKING HUGE KEY ON MY KBD WITH THE ARROW ON IT 1267874;1441800734;asciilifeform;http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/BUGS << list of selected cockroaches removed from the kitchen. 1267875;1441800735;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NprkCl ) 1267876;1441800747;asciilifeform;which must be oh-so-clean for their removal, aha. 1267877;1441800814;asciilifeform;items like 'nano' is precisely how the unix crud remained dominant among thinking people for as long as it did. it has a clean coat on the outside, and presents the illusion of hygiene, for so long as you do not care to look inside. in EXACTLY the same way as a coffin hides the decay of a corpse. 1267878;1441800875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00074276 = 4.9765 BTC [-] 1267879;1441800886;asciilifeform;in case anyone forgot, here's gnu diff: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246256 1267880;1441800886;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 23:00:38; ascii_field: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/dir.c 1267881;1441800892;asciilifeform;try and sit down and read that. 1267882;1441800894;asciilifeform;without barfing. 1267883;1441800904;asciilifeform;and it doesn't even have user-interaction, like text editor ! 1267884;1441801007;asciilifeform;'nano' is NOT 'clean'. 1267885;1441801079;asciilifeform;which is why there is not the option of living on a farm in the countryside. you ARE in a city, and the choice is between mexico city and tokyo. i'll take tokyo^H^H^H^Hemacs tyvm. 1267886;1441801115;asciilifeform;(but if you ~really~ like the farm, try 'ed'...) 1267887;1441801222;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267652 << do you ever, when driving car, think 'i need to harness more horses to this' ? 1267888;1441801222;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:35:19; gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: but goddamnit I need interns. I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc over the weekend and I'm going to play around with that whenever I have free time. 1267889;1441801259;asciilifeform;if your project demands human compilers, your project is retarded. 1267890;1441801264;asciilifeform;no exceptions. 1267891;1441801286;asciilifeform;programming a computer is not building pyramid, there is no legitimate role for brute muscle. 1267892;1441801328;asciilifeform;making use of brutes, in whatever capacity, is how we ended up buried in the pile of shit in which we sit. 1267893;1441801482;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267674 << the way this works is that google silently drops messages not coming from 1) itself 2) 'blessed' usg-megacorp entities 1267894;1441801482;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:41:27; BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah Opera/Fastmail beats the shit out of Google 1267895;1441801488;asciilifeform;see also the jwz thread. 1267896;1441801537;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267676 << knuth also has no problem with spam. and for approximately the same reason. 1267897;1441801537;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:41:47; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let it be noted that i had no problem witgh spam, in spuite of not using google. 1267898;1441801604;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267684 >>>>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266708 1267899;1441801604;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:43:01; mircea_popescu: my spamsolution is that all incoming from emails i never sent to is autodropped. 1267900;1441801604;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\ 1267901;1441801609;asciilifeform;this is not a win. 1267902;1441801638;shinohai;Ironically I have zero problem with Spam on my email provider. Trilema hates it though. 1267903;1441801683;asciilifeform;shinohai: i run a mailserver, of approximately the same kind as mircea_popescu, but when i need to communicate with 'civilians' i end up forced to use gmail. 1267904;1441801690;asciilifeform;or NOTHING GETS THROUGH 1267905;1441801731;kakobrekla;yea, the sadness. 1267906;1441801794;asciilifeform;everyone uses 'half-baked, bug-ridden implementation' of wot. even idiots. the idiot version of wot for email is, roughly, 'reject all messages not coming from u.s. fortune-500 corp domains.' 1267907;1441801851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10914 @ 0.00074276 = 8.1065 BTC [-] 1267908;1441801862;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267682 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 1267909;1441801862;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:42:51; BingoBoingo: Especially relevant for gabriel_laddel: "Babbage, even with remarkably generous support for his time, could not produce his great arithmetical machine. His idea was sound enough, but construction and maintenance costs were then too heavy. Had a Pharaoh been given detailed and explicit designs of an automobile, and had he understood them completely, it would have taxed the resources of his kingdom to hav 1267910;1441801862;assbot;Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. 1267911;1441801979;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267699 << this is an excellent point, and the standard narrative of 'progress, science' is very much reminiscent of the old claptrap re: 'building communism together!!11!!!11' 1267912;1441801979;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:49:05; mircea_popescu: nd him were worthy of being told about it. for all you know the notions of "progress and science" incumbent in the perspective you propose are so much masturbatory jizz, and in point of fact intelligent people share their thoughts exactly like a comedian shares his routine : to friends, in a social environment, for the same reasons in the same ways. 1267913;1441802029;asciilifeform;see also canonical thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548272 1267914;1441802029;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 23:12:13; asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange 1267915;1441802036;asciilifeform;re: gauss & co. 1267916;1441802142;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267767 << this is a CATASTROPHICALLY bad idea, because any attempt is simply asking for self-delusionary masamunification (sorry gabriel_laddel, but you know precisely what i mean.) -- this being, 'aha this is a turd, but WE made it and therefore doesn't stink and is somehow edible' 1267917;1441802142;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 08:40:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << i must confess i am very much enamoured with the idea of a b-a web browser. 1267918;1441802166;asciilifeform;let's work it out 1267919;1441802182;asciilifeform;a) don't need graphics? use lynx. or curl, even. EXISTS. 1267920;1441802195;asciilifeform;b) want graphics. WE DON'T HAVE A SANE GRAPHICS STACK 1267921;1441802220;asciilifeform;ergo there is nothing to do re: browsers at this time. 1267922;1441802309;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267769 << in what way is this hypothetical item distinct from 'lynx' ? 1267923;1441802309;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 08:40:53; mircea_popescu: making a SECURE browser would kick so much ass... and it is not actually THAT hard. not in the sense that it's not hard, but in the sense that we have an IMMENSE advantage over everyone else, from mozilla to who have you, in the "piss on the world and light it on fire" doctrine. 1267924;1441802317;asciilifeform;lynx is right there. go, use. 1267925;1441802359;asciilifeform;there is also the other side of the problem, which is that WWW ITSELF is fundamentally retarded. 1267926;1441802378;asciilifeform;and this seeps into browsers, and not - as commonly supposed - only the reverse. 1267927;1441802404;asciilifeform;see also, http://xml.coverpages.org/greenspu.html 1267928;1441802404;assbot;We Have Chosen Shame and Will Get War ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGQLOP ) 1267929;1441802451;asciilifeform;and i fucking hate the word 'secure' 1267930;1441802489;asciilifeform;eliminate buffer overflows, use-after-free, type mismatch, by SHOOTING MOTHERFUCKING C MACHINE IN THE HEAD and the whole concept sorta goes away 1267931;1441802536;asciilifeform;the whole mentality of 'secure' is EXACTLY the miasma theory of disease transmission 1267932;1441802559;asciilifeform;exactly it. 1267933;1441802571;asciilifeform;vaguely factual, yes, but fundamentally and disastrously misattributes causation 1267934;1441802772;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267531 << 'would you like to eat this cake or inject it' 1267935;1441802772;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:02:15; mircea_popescu: the lulz being that ubuntu gedit goes "do you want this file displayed or executed ?" 1267936;1441802844;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 please consider updating therealbitcoin www to include the actually usable version thereof ? 1267937;1441802844;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1267938;1441802845;punkman;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. << eh, geddoutofhere. 1267939;1441802845;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:59; gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards. 1267940;1441802872;asciilifeform;punkman: text compresses well. 1267941;1441802964;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267539 << again with the miasma theory. ~yes~ the swamp sucks to live in. yes, you get malaria and die. but it is not because of the swamp gas. 1267942;1441802964;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 06:04:07; BingoBoingo: Links, lynx, and curl sure, but still how much ought these be trusted??? WIth their stinky libjpeg 1267943;1441803007;asciilifeform;hygiene does not consist merely in the ritualistic and unthinking avoidance of things that stink. though it begins there. 1267944;1441803059;asciilifeform;but if you want to have, e.g., an operating room, it is important that it does not ~end~ there. 1267945;1441803074;asciilifeform;need grasp of the ACTUAL mechanism of contagion. 1267946;1441803111;asciilifeform;voodoo with a minus sign in front of it is STILL VOODOO. 1267947;1441803652;punkman;what is 'sane browser' ? << must render HTML+CSS, with pictures. I don't need webfonts/flash/silverlight/java/webgl. A scripting language that doesn't suck would be nice, so I can perhaps write some userscripts for certain websites. Small amounts of signed javascript might be okay. 1267948;1441803759;asciilifeform;punkman: must render HTML+CSS, with pictures << if you think this results in a proggy that views 'modern www' usably, go and try, e.g., 'dillo' or 'arachne' - the result is disappointing. 1267949;1441803774;asciilifeform;because www as we have it is ~intrinsically~ retarded. 1267950;1441803798;punkman;asciilifeform: I run noscript, a lot of it works. 1267951;1441803811;asciilifeform;if you try to implement 'sane subset' (and which would that be?) you end up able to view sites that work fine in lynx anyway - and not much else 1267952;1441803862;asciilifeform;even something as mundane as 'show pictures' is VASTLY nontrivial from the sanity perspective 1267953;1441803868;asciilifeform;e.g., should it display jpegs ? 1267954;1441803874;asciilifeform;and what, we use libjpeg ? which one ? 1267955;1441803893;asciilifeform;the spittoon ~is~ in one strand. 1267956;1441803910;asciilifeform;can't 'i'll just take one sip' 1267957;1441804533;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu sure, send me the details 1267958;1441804533;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1267959;1441804596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00075143 = 8.3409 BTC [+] 1267960;1441804961;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267191 << i see no such restriction in therealbitcoin... 1267961;1441804961;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:13:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263077 << continuing our series of "power rangers are retarded lol", today's installment : bitcoind's idea of "passwords" allows digita and lowercase characters. no symbols no uppercase. not only does this mean a bitcoind pw is half the strength of a normal pw, but (the actual likely purpose of this retardation) it makes it trivial to identify wallet pa 1267962;1441805084;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267190 << not using classical gpg, no. 1267963;1441805084;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:11:58; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? 1267964;1441805131;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266842 <-- thanks -- interesting to idiots like me who have trouble opening my eyes, in naming "the rise of the victim". other bits were cursory at best. 1267965;1441805131;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot 1267966;1441805151;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267171 << they are cheap because they were, almost from the day they came out, forbidden to u.s. schoolchildren on account of the qwerty keyboard 1267967;1441805151;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 03:06:35; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Damn it, you got me looking at TI-92's nao 1267968;1441805182;asciilifeform;(89 is essentially the same machine but sans keyboard) 1267969;1441805211;*;asciilifeform had, at various times, 85, 86, 89, grey-89 1267970;1441805261;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you like mc68k cpu, you will enjoy 89/92 series. 1267971;1441805275;asciilifeform;programmable in asm, yes. 1267972;1441805285;asciilifeform;(get a cheap chinese cable) 1267973;1441805332;funkenstein_;"All humans, because of their upbringing, tend toward one of the four control dramas: intimidators steal energy from others by threat. Interrogators steal it by judging and questioning. Aloof people attract attention (and energy) to themselves by acting reserved or withdrawing. And poor mes make us feel guilty and responsible for them." 1267974;1441805354;asciilifeform;l0lwut 1267975;1441805364;funkenstein_;-- celestine prophecy 1267976;1441805403;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267220 << censored 1267977;1441805403;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 04:37:41; pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzIXy-oFlU << if anything is microaggression, this is it. unambiguously directed yet so far from lethal it's laughable. 1267978;1441805418;asciilifeform;anyone got a mirror ? 1267979;1441805449;asciilifeform;'youtube' is more or less a censor's wet dream. just about NOBODY ever mirrors these. 1267980;1441805474;asciilifeform;only thing that ever gets mirrored is the beheadings, and even those not every time. 1267981;1441805566;funkenstein_;^ 1267982;1441805630;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267185 <-- I'm told the phrase is antiquated and mostly used in jest today. Perhaps interesting that the translation of "revolution" is more akin to "molting" than "spinning". 1267983;1441805630;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 03:55:51; mircea_popescu: ;;google 镇压反革命 1267984;1441805700;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267180 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-02-2015#1024948 1267985;1441805700;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 03:51:24; mircea_popescu: mats that's nice to have. i always puzzled over the incredibly poor security of mobile as a design decision 1267986;1441805700;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2015 20:48:27; ascii_field: great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort. 1267987;1441805999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6009 @ 0.00074734 = 4.4908 BTC [-] 1267988;1441806184;shinohai;http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2015/09/lets-talk-about-imessage-again.html 1267989;1441806185;assbot;A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Let's talk about iMessage (again) ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9aipB ) 1267990;1441806209;punkman;even if phones had good crypto up to basestation, doesn't help that much 1267991;1441806307;punkman;asciilifeform: anyone got a mirror ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25a5RRh6nXs 1267992;1441806382;asciilifeform;ty punkman 1267993;1441806452;kakobrekla;lolvid 1267994;1441806456;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267990 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266953 1267995;1441806456;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 13:43:29; punkman: even if phones had good crypto up to basestation, doesn't help that much 1267996;1441806456;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:34:19; mircea_popescu: there is no enemy but the enemy. 1267997;1441806456;kakobrekla;retarded 1267998;1441806656;kakobrekla;it almost reminds me of monthy python, the vid. 1267999;1441806771;asciilifeform;in usa, if you trip a thief or murderer who is running from police, he can sue and win 1268000;1441806817;asciilifeform;(not only this, but the famous 'circular saw' case, recall) 1268001;1441806899;kakobrekla;if a burglar breaks in my home, he can stay until years later judge decides he really shouldn't. 1268002;1441806928;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: in britain likewise. (famous gypsy case) 1268003;1441806940;asciilifeform;but there, he can also evict you immediately 1268004;1441806985;punkman;kakobrekla: are there lots of squatters in your parts? 1268005;1441807051;kakobrekla;wouldnt say lots but i know of one such case happening at this very moment. only its even worse than described. 1268006;1441807068;asciilifeform;what does 'worse' look like ?! 1268007;1441807098;asciilifeform;burglar anally expands you daily, until years later possibly judge adjudicates that he shouldn't ? 1268008;1441807155;funkenstein_;the problem appears to be that you asked the judge 1268009;1441807195;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: in urban setting it is difficult to keep a sty of pigs to feed corpse to 1268010;1441807269;kakobrekla;the thing is, the exploiter a supposed victim of the 1990 yugo breaking up and in has been given 'priority processing' & 'priority lawyer support' from state for free. Exploitee is a poor old woman with nothing. 1268011;1441807299;asciilifeform;victim ?! 1268012;1441807320;kakobrekla;yes, they call them selfs 'the deleted' 1268013;1441807341;kakobrekla;a bunch of nogoodfornothings exploiting state. 1268014;1441807355;asciilifeform;i mean, how does this work? they were in comparty and now have nothing to do ? 1268015;1441807372;asciilifeform;in what consisted the victimization ? 1268016;1441807419;kakobrekla;the story is they did not get their papers straitened out at the time slovenia parted yugo 1268017;1441807433;kakobrekla;and they were 'deleted' for many years. 1268018;1441807442;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahaha 1268019;1441807456;kakobrekla;but its mostly croats living here 1268020;1441807456;*;asciilifeform never had a ru passport, nor is entitled to one, for EXACTLY same reason. where does he sign up to be 'victim' 1268021;1441807464;kakobrekla;that thought "fuck ill just go back to croatia later" 1268022;1441807478;kakobrekla;only to figure out "i dont want to go back to croatia" later on. 1268023;1441807509;kakobrekla;asciilifeform come here, sit in someones house, you are good for years. 1268024;1441807551;asciilifeform;l0l 1268025;1441807650;kakobrekla;they literally call them selfs 'izbrisani'. you will prolly understand the word. 1268026;1441807730;shinohai;http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/local/downtown-austin-vault-of-precious-metals-turns-up-/nnYS2/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/2X7WjLwJ7M 1268027;1441807732;assbot;Downtown Austin vault of precious metals turns up mostly empty | www.mystatesman.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q0YS7t ) 1268028;1441807748;shinohai;Kinda like BTC, if you don't own private keys you don't own anything. 1268029;1441807807;funkenstein_;shinohai, it begins 1268030;1441807816;asciilifeform;except that gold requires a fortress. if you 'have' gold it isn't yours unless you also have nukes. 1268031;1441807853;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, gold is best kept -away- from fortresses 1268032;1441807882;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: see the canonical buried treasure thread. 1268033;1441807902;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816402 1268034;1441807902;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom 1268035;1441807927;asciilifeform;not really a solution. 1268036;1441807958;funkenstein_;related story, guy sees neighbor has dug many holes in his yard. what is going on? 1268037;1441807989;funkenstein_;guy says: "can't find gold, i dig it up every year to check". 1268038;1441808012;funkenstein_;"well then, why not just put some tinfoil in there?" 1268039;1441808180;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816523 <-- and i am back here yet again lol 1268040;1441808180;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 21:36:01; asciilifeform: if you are reading this - it is almost certainly a terrible use of your time. 1268041;1441808205;shinohai;http://blog.lifars.com/2015/09/08/the-internets-most-malicious-domains/ 1268042;1441808207;assbot;The Internet’s Most Malicious Domains | LIFARS ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpJKmy ) 1268043;1441808215;shinohai;The top 10 clean or ‘least-shady’ TLDs are: .gov and .mil LMAO 1268044;1441808256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00073928 = 2.4396 BTC [-] 1268045;1441808309;funkenstein_;well if we work for the benefit of archaeologists, might as well throw them a bone once in a while :) 1268046;1441808444;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268026 << am i the only one getting a surreal usg flavour from eating this? it has a distinct feel of 'see, this is what you get for using something usg can't magic into existence to make you whole' 1268047;1441808444;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 14:08:50; shinohai: http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/local/downtown-austin-vault-of-precious-metals-turns-up-/nnYS2/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/2X7WjLwJ7M 1268048;1441808486;asciilifeform;the conflation of 'owning gold' and 'using xyz vault' is also reminiscent of the mtgox mediatronic idiocies 1268049;1441808562;shinohai;Surely usg wants you to buy their minted gold. 1268050;1441808638;asciilifeform;shinohai: aha. so long as you store it in a properly-search-and-confiscation-enabled container 1268051;1441808642;asciilifeform;such as a u.s. bank box 1268052;1441808645;asciilifeform;or your flat 1268053;1441808693;shinohai;But God forbid you "destroy" it, i.e. melt to make your own bullion. 1268054;1441808704;asciilifeform;you would have to be an idiot 1268055;1441808707;asciilifeform;considering the markup 1268056;1441808729;asciilifeform;(ask a circuit board house, where they get their au. is it the mint? l0l) 1268057;1441808737;shinohai;Remember this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 1268058;1441808738;assbot;Executive Order 6102 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpKGaw ) 1268059;1441808744;asciilifeform;aha 1268060;1441808833;asciilifeform;incidentally, gold was never entirely re-legalized in usa 1268061;1441808844;asciilifeform;in the sense that contracts which specify payment in it, are still officially void 1268062;1441808934;shinohai;Not like they can't or won't just make it legal/illegal on a whim at the stroke of a pen. 1268063;1441808987;asciilifeform;shinohai: aha. though 'usg 2.0' thus far gets considerably better mileage with paper diddling rather than classical confiscation 1268064;1441808997;asciilifeform;(the latter works best when there is ~something to take~) 1268065;1441809091;asciilifeform;~nobody but crackpots~ actually takes delivery, as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-08-2015#1240741 1268066;1441809091;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 19:35:54; mircea_popescu: irl, settlement's a paperwoirk affair and actual delivery is much disconsidered. as a token of the fact that everyone involved would muchly want reality to match their representation to the degree of absolute identity. so they desconsider the later. 1268067;1441809130;asciilifeform;ergo paper gold is not market-separable, as it is, from actual gold; and usg silently prints it 1268068;1441809143;asciilifeform;cheaper, cleaner than hanging people upside-down and beating coins out of'em 1268069;1441809248;shinohai;Paper just gives me the illusion of owning something I actually do not. 1268070;1441809495;*;shinohai prefers assets I can really hold: https://i.imgur.com/nNedV3f.jpg 1268071;1441809495;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpMd0f ) 1268072;1441810005;shinohai;https://redd.it/3k0sxc <<< too stupid to use bitcoin? 1268073;1441810007;assbot;20 BTC reward for bitaddress.org issue : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UH8KVb ) 1268074;1441810513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46091 @ 0.0007469 = 34.4254 BTC [+] 1268075;1441811132;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COXJfBSU8AAhcP1.png:large 1268076;1441811133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpPtc5 ) 1268077;1441811480;shinohai;Who allows these people to reproduce? 1268078;1441813205;punkman;http://pqcrypto.eu.org/press.html 1268079;1441813206;assbot;PQCRYPTO ICT-645622 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oz7aTI ) 1268080;1441814343;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Botlove, botlulz, and playing wannabes like a flute. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/09/botlove-botlulz-and-playing-wannabes-like-a-flute/ 1268081;1441816065;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1268082;1441816099;ben_vulpes;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/09/in-consideration-for-my-appointment-to-secretary-of-labor/ 1268083;1441816100;assbot;In Consideration of My Appointment to Secretary of Labor | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjwvI ) 1268084;1441816369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36163 @ 0.00074109 = 26.8 BTC [-] {4} 1268085;1441817208;shinohai;!up analmaster 1268086;1441817225;ascii_field;welcome analmaster ! 1268087;1441817229;analmaster;oh 1268088;1441817231;analmaster;i have returned 1268089;1441817245;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268075 << pure gold. Run Moar Kloud ! 1268090;1441817245;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 15:05:32; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COXJfBSU8AAhcP1.png:large 1268091;1441817269;ben_vulpes;!up VariaVarietatis 1268092;1441817283;ben_vulpes;what's the deal, VariaVarietatis? 1268093;1441817304;ben_vulpes;did you successfully run your rotor? 1268094;1441817331;shinohai;What is hilarious ascii_field is *their whole lives are just shattered* because they cannot monitor their snowflakes from a screen. 1268095;1441817360;ascii_field;wai wut ? 1268096;1441817396;VariaVarietatis;point me to how to test my rotor is working? It seems to be able to getblockinfo but not getbalance using bitcoin-cli can't seem to find anything in the logs, mostly due to not knowing that to search for. 1268097;1441817444;shinohai;Are you prefixing with LC_ALL=C ? 1268098;1441817525;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: yea and I put my local ip 127.0.0.1 and node 195.211.154.159 1268099;1441817560;shinohai;and afaik rotor doesn't use bitcoin-cli 1268100;1441817575;VariaVarietatis;so how do I use it? 1268101;1441817594;shinohai;Same as the old days bitcoind getbalance, etc 1268102;1441817608;jurov;http://gizmodo.com/how-ashley-madison-hid-its-fembot-con-from-users-and-in-1728410265 kek 1268103;1441817609;assbot;How Ashley Madison Hid Its Fembot Con From Users and Investigators ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkm8JT ) 1268104;1441817738;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: like LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind getbalance 12R4kPeSK6i9427ctH15j2NcJ1ST1FT21C -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 ? 1268105;1441817801;jurov;getinfo works? 1268106;1441817816;shinohai;Just LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind getbalance is sufficient 1268107;1441817833;VariaVarietatis;jurov: in the bitcoin-cli it does 1268108;1441817833;shinohai;Unless you specified a different datadir 1268109;1441817904;shinohai;I added an alias so I don't have to type all that every time but it works for me 1268110;1441817909;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1268111;1441818092;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268102 >> obligatory >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html 1268112;1441818092;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 16:53:28; jurov: http://gizmodo.com/how-ashley-madison-hid-its-fembot-con-from-users-and-in-1728410265 kek 1268113;1441818093;assbot;ClubOrlov: Dead Souls ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsEaR6 ) 1268114;1441818095;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: datadir? i'm running one copy connected then used another copy to run LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind getbalance 12R4kPeSK6i9427ctH15j2NcJ1ST1FT21C gives me 0.0 but checking on blockchain it shows me this account has 27 btc 1268115;1441818133;shinohai;Is this an address you control ? 1268116;1441818150;VariaVarietatis;no I found this one just to check to see if it works 1268117;1441818151;VariaVarietatis;tried a few 1268118;1441818218;VariaVarietatis;I should be using my real ip also right? not 127.0.0.1? 1268119;1441818273;shinohai;Shouldn't you use "validateaddress" instead? 1268120;1441818289;jurov;sooo...an scam-cheap "KingDian" SSD came today from shenzhen, i have proceeded to test it with "badblocks -b 4096 -w -t random" 1268121;1441818292;shinohai;wait, that doesnt return balance info ...hrm 1268122;1441818303;jurov;had an uneasy feeling, went to check its source code 1268123;1441818330;jurov;and of! course! it uses same random pattern for every block 1268124;1441818380;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: http://dpaste.com/09WZ24Y 1268125;1441818381;assbot;dpaste: 09WZ24Y ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkntQX ) 1268126;1441818409;VariaVarietatis;last line is how im running it 1268127;1441818439;shinohai;It is running fine, at least I see no issues. 1268128;1441818497;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: what other commands can be used? 1268129;1441818532;VariaVarietatis;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list#Full_list < list on the wiki 1268130;1441818533;assbot;Original Bitcoin client/API calls list - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1LknGDM ) 1268131;1441818534;shinohai;Try https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list 1268132;1441818535;assbot;Original Bitcoin client/API calls list - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1LknGUi ) 1268133;1441818541;shinohai;xD 1268134;1441818565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25793 @ 0.00074462 = 19.206 BTC [+] 1268135;1441818704;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: http://dpaste.com/2E3V2J7 doesn't get transactions? 1268136;1441818705;assbot;dpaste: 2E3V2J7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UBGCrO ) 1268137;1441818771;VariaVarietatis;also getmineinfo gives me method not found. 1268138;1441818772;shinohai;Are you fully synced yet? 1268139;1441818787;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: how would I know? 1268140;1441818795;shinohai;Oh lawd 1268141;1441818836;thestringpuller;21days 2hours for blockheight 318709 on this current node. 1268142;1441818862;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: I looked in the logs for this info found nothing sorry also stuff on maillist is only about building not using. 1268143;1441818885;shinohai;VariaVarietatis: use getinfo and look at your block height 1268144;1441818938;VariaVarietatis;"blocks" : 165381 ? 1268145;1441818944;punkman;jurov: and of! course! it uses same random pattern for every block << it says this in the manual 1268146;1441818956;VariaVarietatis;so gotta wait for it to get to 318709+? 1268147;1441818982;shinohai;Yes you must wait for it to sync 1268148;1441818998;shinohai;Make some tea, roll a doob, go bang a prostitute. 1268149;1441819006;shinohai;Might take a while. 1268150;1441819076;thestringpuller;lol roll a doob...white people... 1268151;1441819078;VariaVarietatis;ok thanks for all the help. 1268152;1441819089;*;punkman bought a bag of chinese usb flash sticks with write-protect switch for "one-time use" and such 1268153;1441819090;VariaVarietatis;gonna watch my number go up 1268154;1441819102;VariaVarietatis;punkman: where? 1268155;1441819131;shinohai;!up VariaVarietatis 1268156;1441819137;jurov;punkman: here teh manul only says "the word "random", which specifies that the block should be filled with a random bit pattern." 1268157;1441819139;punkman;VariaVarietatis: you should be able to find them on your favourite chinese gadget website 1268158;1441819228;VariaVarietatis;Never been to a chinese gadget site, where do you look for such a thing? 1268159;1441819299;punkman;!s chinese gadget site 1268160;1441819300;assbot;0 results for 'chinese gadget site' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chinese+gadget+site 1268161;1441819309;punkman;;;google chinese gadget site 1268162;1441819310;gribble;DealeXtreme - Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - DX Free Shipping ...: ; China Wholesale Supplier - Online shopping for cheap electronics ...: ; Electronics Gadgets - High Tech Gadgets - New Technology Gadgets: 1268163;1441819367;VariaVarietatis;http://www.dx.com/p/medisk-password-protected-security-usb-2-0-flash-drive-black-silver-8gb-189181#.VfBqy5TLdqI lol 1268164;1441819368;assbot;MeDisk Password Protected Security USB 2.0 Flash Drive - Black + Silver (8GB) - Worldwide Free Shipping - DX ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkp8WP ) 1268165;1441819505;jurov;okay but i wanted something cheap and still performant enough to use with pogo 1268166;1441819540;punkman;jurov: so does the cheap ssd work? 1268167;1441819548;jurov;http://www.dx.com/p/kingdian-s400xt-2-5-sata3-smi2246xt-solid-state-drive-ssd-black-60gb-396431#.VfBrkqN9zmE 1268168;1441819549;assbot;KingDian S400XT 2.5" SATA3 SMI2246XT Solid State Drive SSD - Black (60GB) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkpoVR ) 1268169;1441819551;jurov;so far yes 1268170;1441819560;ascii_field;jurov: my experiments led me to the conclusion that usb (at least usb2) won't cut it, period. 1268171;1441819570;ascii_field;on account of the high cpu overhead 1268172;1441819581;jurov;going to rewrite it with aes-encrypted /dev/zero, will report 1268173;1441819613;jurov;(urandom gives paltry 18MB/s, another annoyance of today) 1268174;1441819661;ascii_field;these measurements can be deceptive re: pogo in particular, on account of the latter's sensitivity to cpu and especially bus starvation 1268175;1441819663;punkman;jurov: what's the purpose of these tests? 1268176;1441819707;jurov;punkman i got a crate of pogos, doing some research about matchin'them with cheap ssd's 1268177;1441819725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.0007443 = 11.4622 BTC [-] {3} 1268178;1441819757;punkman;jurov, well yes, but what is "rewrite it with aes-encrypted /dev/zero" gonna tell you? 1268179;1441819798;jurov;that it isn't such a scam as the price indicates and can probably bear the blockchain 1268180;1441819833;jurov;after rewrite, there will be read and comapre the sum 1268181;1441819850;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1268182;1441819862;jurov;badblocks test was inconsequential, cuz the drive could easily optimize it away 1268183;1441819872;ascii_field;punkman: how else would you propose to verify that the drive can hold the X MB that vendor claimed it holds ? 1268184;1441820688;punkman;ascii_field, I wouldn't think fake capacity numbers are a problem, but yeah I guess you gotta write $x GB of data to it that can't be compressed away 1268185;1441821062;mircea_popescu;davout done meanwhiole but thx. 1268186;1441821068;mircea_popescu;!up lifesfun 1268187;1441821224;shinohai;http://www.2600.com/content/2600-accused-using-unauthorized-ink-splotches 1268188;1441821226;assbot;2600 ACCUSED OF USING UNAUTHORIZED INK SPLOTCHES | 2600 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkt4Xy ) 1268189;1441821555;punkman;"It's indeed impressive that Trunk Archive managed to match these little ink splotches." << makes one wonder how much computing power is being wasted on this 1268190;1441821614;punkman;ah of course http://www.picscout.com/pr/getty-images-acquires-picscout/ 1268191;1441821616;assbot;Getty Images Acquires PicScout | PicScoutPicScout ... ( http://bit.ly/1LktUn7 ) 1268192;1441821795;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1268193;1441821813;ascii_field;'You see, not only are they trying to get us to pay them for using a few ink splotches, but as it turns out, the ink splotches don't belong to them in the first place! Our cover artist happened to keep meticulous records (probably not something they anticipated) and traced the source of the ink splotches to a Finnish artist...' 1268194;1441821842;ascii_field;intellektooal propertyh!!!1111 1268195;1441821887;mircea_popescu;it IS copied, however. 1268196;1441821905;punkman;funny how http://www.lcs.global/ http://www.trunkarchive.com/ http://www.picscout.com/ are all related but don't mention each other 1268197;1441821906;assbot;LCS - License Compliance Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkutNO ) 1268198;1441821908;assbot;Trunk Archive - Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkuu4c ) 1268199;1441821909;assbot;Home - PicScoutPicScout ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkur8E ) 1268200;1441821927;ascii_field;'I did some ink backgrounds for my upcoming artworks, and I thought I'd share the textures with the rest of the world. Free for non-commercial/commercial use. Feel free to post on your blogs etc. Crediting is not required, but would be nice.' 1268201;1441821934;ascii_field;(from linked source) 1268202;1441821982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.000741 = 43.4597 BTC [-] {5} 1268203;1441822046;mircea_popescu;such a great find shinohai 1268204;1441822049;mircea_popescu;!rated shinohai 1268205;1441822049;assbot;You rated user shinohai on 03-Jul-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.. 1268206;1441822080;shinohai;Thx. 2600 was like the first irc server I ever used. 1268207;1441822410;shinohai;In other copyright news, the author of the song "Eye of the Tiger" is considering suing Kim Davis for using the song at her release from jail rally yesterday. 1268208;1441822430;shinohai;https://www.yahoo.com/music/survivor-did-not-grant-kentucky-county-clerk-kim-128671777736.html 1268209;1441822434;mircea_popescu;maybe puts her right back in jail 1268210;1441822441;mircea_popescu;"improper celebration of release - 5 years" 1268211;1441822775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00073723 = 30.8899 BTC [-] {5} 1268212;1441822990;shinohai;Don't hate me cuz it's github: https://github.com/Xyl2k/TSA-Travel-Sentry-master-keys 1268213;1441822991;assbot;Xyl2k/TSA-Travel-Sentry-master-keys · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkwQA2 ) 1268214;1441823016;mircea_popescu;well at least it doesn't have the word retard on it. 1268215;1441823071;ascii_field;shinohai: as if it were difficult to make master keys based on disassembled lock. 1268216;1441823079;ascii_field;(when said lock is designed for master) 1268217;1441823145;mircea_popescu;so wait. carrying water not being difficult (when one is not obese) is somehow a detraction from plumbing ? 1268218;1441823174;ascii_field;!s have to chew 1268219;1441823175;assbot;10 results for 'have to chew' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=have+to+chew 1268220;1441823185;ascii_field;!s have to dip 1268221;1441823186;assbot;9 results for 'have to dip' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=have+to+dip 1268222;1441823188;ascii_field;^ 1268223;1441823202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00073709 = 14.9629 BTC [-] 1268224;1441823299;*;mircea_popescu doesn't get it. 1268225;1441823656;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1268226;1441823663;mircea_popescu;ahh grep * how i love you. 1268227;1441823752;deedbot-;[Trilema] Ars gratia artis sau cum era, or The function and the functioning of art part deux - http://trilema.com/2015/ars-gratia-artis-sau-cum-era-or-the-function-and-the-functioning-of-art-part-deux/ 1268228;1441823842;shinohai;Whatever you paid for that was worth every satoshi. 1268229;1441823871;mircea_popescu;win huh 1268230;1441823919;ascii_field;mega-pic 1268231;1441823958;mircea_popescu;chick's talented. 1268232;1441824023;shinohai;Luke-Jr. on a unicycle lolz 1268233;1441824157;ascii_field;which one is szabo ? 1268234;1441824194;ascii_field;fella in the robe ? 1268235;1441824254;trinque;ah that's really good 1268236;1441824300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6915 @ 0.0007447 = 5.1496 BTC [+] 1268237;1441824408;mircea_popescu;lol szabo in robe 1268238;1441824531;punkman;http://archillect.com/ 1268239;1441824532;assbot;Archillect ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkzo14 ) 1268240;1441825028;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267818 << for the record, a "modern military base" IS a horrible castle. 1268241;1441825028;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 11:41:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267274 << gabriel_laddel: you are speaking mostly to folks who haven't grasped lisp. sorta like showing a modern army base to medieval commander - he will not be able to see past it being 'a terrible castle, where the fuck are the walls and moats' 1268242;1441825036;mircea_popescu;and it has proven this point in medieval places, such as iraq. 1268243;1441825066;mircea_popescu;modern military still suffers of the problem of the panzer 80 years ago : can take any position and hold absolutely none. 1268244;1441825082;ascii_field;and rifle is an absolutely terrible longbow, also 1268245;1441825100;mircea_popescu;not so. there is no contest where people armed with rifles lose to people armed with bows. 1268246;1441825110;mircea_popescu;there are NUMEROUS contests where people in modern bases lose to partisans. 1268247;1441825115;mircea_popescu;in fact, the majority these days. 1268248;1441825131;ascii_field;not clear that castle would have changed the outcome there 1268249;1441825138;mircea_popescu;that is not an argument. 1268250;1441825145;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing the merits of the castl.e here. 1268251;1441825237;mircea_popescu;also note that medieval commander answered for permanence. whereas modern commander answers for "accomplishment". very different end goals drive very different behaviours. 1268252;1441825296;mircea_popescu;for austin, "taking baghdad" once a week for three years straight would have been an excellent outcome : over one hundred allied victories!!11 1268253;1441825319;ascii_field;american commander answers for... hell knows what? boots properly polished ? 1268254;1441825343;jurov;so.. the ssd passed and the rotor will have something to rotate 1268255;1441825345;mircea_popescu;try telling that to as-saffah tho, "i've lost baghdad once a week" 1268256;1441825381;ascii_field;jurov: very spiffy. consider posting what part you used, how tested, where to buy... 1268257;1441825396;jurov;posted above 1268258;1441825398;*;mircea_popescu doesn't remember what it passed ? 1268259;1441825410;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it was in today's log 1268260;1441825414;jurov;!s kingdian 1268261;1441825415;assbot;2 results for 'kingdian' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kingdian 1268262;1441825423;mircea_popescu;im working on it kk 1268263;1441825454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267823 << as a factual matter, this is not true. 1268264;1441825454;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 11:43:38; asciilifeform: just as properly made furniture does not contain glue. 1268265;1441825461;mircea_popescu;but i don't think it detracts from the actual point. 1268266;1441825477;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1268267;1441825488;ascii_field;perhaps i ought to have said, 'contains very little glue' 1268268;1441825498;shinohai;Thx jurov. On my list of items to purchase when I actually get a working pogo binary. 1268269;1441825550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267836 << server crapped out or something. 1268270;1441825550;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 11:50:01; kakobrekla: btw iirc today is tx spam day ? 1268271;1441825551;jurov;shinohai: i'd recommend to use 120G version instead, 60G will be obsolete soon 1268272;1441825554;mircea_popescu;you know how it goes. 1268273;1441825592;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-mideast-crisis-syria-exclusive-idUSKCN0R91H720150909 << I continue to see the future demise of the US empire in this. 1268274;1441825593;assbot;Exclusive: Russian troops join combat in Syria - sources| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkAZEc ) 1268275;1441825595;BingoBoingo;But as a point, properly made furniture does in fact not include nails 1268276;1441825595;trinque;and not far future 1268277;1441825595;mircea_popescu;speaking of "will be obsolete soon" : we need that aribtrary checkpoint thing. if provided, node owner could store old chain apart. 1268278;1441825610;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has it. 1268279;1441825624;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: remind me what this was 1268280;1441825632;mircea_popescu;there are some fine examples from chinese era of overabundance when they used supertiny nails. 1268281;1441825639;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, nails ruin the wood. 1268282;1441825643;BingoBoingo;Interlocking cuts, glue, and clamps are the way, the truth, and the light in furniture 1268283;1441825655;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you know how the code nos supports "developer mandated" checkpoints ? 1268284;1441825662;mircea_popescu;the idea was to make them user-enacted. 1268285;1441825669;shinohai;K jurov. mats sent me sufficient btc to purchase a pogo, but I only got an inferior drive with it. Planned on getting something a little more robust 1268286;1441825732;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267846 <<< end of story. 1268287;1441825732;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 11:56:36; asciilifeform: yes, bury it in the forest for 80 years and perhaps it will leak. 1268288;1441825739;mircea_popescu;you want to bury them in the ocean for 1k years. 1268289;1441825756;jurov;even after checkpoints, it's nice to have for querying the history 1268290;1441825779;shinohai;Better to have room for growth 1268291;1441825811;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah but the idea being that you run many nodes with smaller disks for day to day ops 1268292;1441825823;mircea_popescu;and have a airgapped system with the full history etc that's not exposed to the internet. 1268293;1441825832;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 'checkpoint' thing is actually useless as implemented now, it merely skips verification for the listed blocks 1268294;1441825837;ascii_field;-verifyall disables it entirely 1268295;1441825843;ascii_field;and verifies ~all~ 1268296;1441825849;mircea_popescu;different tools for different jobs as it were. the corrosive substance of usg-ness makes anyth9ng on the public net vulnerable, and zerging the only possible approach to survival. 1268297;1441825858;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah. 1268298;1441825873;ascii_field;what we considered wanting was an entirely different kind of checkpoint 1268299;1441825932;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267858 << who speaks chinese here ? fluently ? because as your point re google : chinese speaker in fucking china is about as useful or important as dung beetle. 1268300;1441825932;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:04:44; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267551 << for what, exactly ? and did the asteroid hit, or what, is there a shortage of cn speakers now? 1268301;1441825991;mircea_popescu;ascii_field btw, i started a measuring, my node pulls ~600 blocks/hour 1268302;1441826000;mircea_popescu;(you were complaining about delay) 1268303;1441826034;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 600 of which blocks 1268304;1441826045;ascii_field;skinny early blox or fat modern ones 1268305;1441826061;mircea_popescu;320k 1268306;1441826070;ascii_field;neato 1268307;1441826086;mircea_popescu;i didn't boither measuring early, who the fuck cares, but i would guess it did 10k an hour or some shit 1268308;1441826092;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc mats spoke cn 1268309;1441826093;mircea_popescu;it'd have done( 1268310;1441826140;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: incidentally, dulap is all backed up. 1268311;1441826148;mircea_popescu;alrighty ima pull the plug then 1268312;1441826155;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267816 << to continue this thread, my contention is that while many things I write with special notation could just as well be s-exprs, making me read and write these things as s-exprs is catastrophic 1268313;1441826155;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 11:39:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267236 << the path to fits-in-head STRICTLY depends on every particular thing on the machine being implemented ONCE. this includes lexer, parser, related items. 1268314;1441826165;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not waiting for replacement ? 1268315;1441826189;mircea_popescu;why ? you said useless neh ? 1268316;1441826197;ascii_field;well it displays old results 1268317;1441826209;ascii_field;but this is prolly not worth whatever mircea_popescu is paying for it 1268318;1441826344;ascii_field;the demise of this box is unfortunate. i was gonna put an experimental version of www-ized 'v' explorer there, also 1268319;1441826356;mircea_popescu;yeah well. unfortunate is what the world's made of. 1268320;1441826362;ascii_field;and it was where 'bleeding edge' therealbitcoin lived. 1268321;1441826377;mircea_popescu;obviously if people weren't schmucks we could have nice things. 1268322;1441826382;mircea_popescu;but they are, and so we can't. 1268323;1441826404;mircea_popescu;and we'll kill them, and they'll want to know why, "Que tes ennemis expirants" 1268324;1441826418;mircea_popescu;and we probably won't bother to answer, and they'll derp more, in their children, and so it goes. 1268325;1441826424;mircea_popescu;and has gone. for a long, long time now. 1268326;1441826508;ascii_field;https://archive.is/eS8RO https://archive.is/muu01 << fresh snapshots 1268327;1441826509;assbot;So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCEK7 ) 1268328;1441826510;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCF0n ) 1268329;1441826557;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/us-ukraine-crisis-exclusive-idUSKCN0R924G20150909 << "The plan includes a site for studying the tactics of the U.S. Army, which was called a "likely enemy" in the document." 1268330;1441826559;assbot;Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCKRV ) 1268331;1441826561;mircea_popescu;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/no-blacks-is-not-a-sexual-preference-it-s-racism.html <<<->>> http://whitebecky00.tumblr.com/ 1268332;1441826562;assbot;‘No Blacks’ Is Not a Sexual Preference. It’s Racism - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCMcx ) 1268333;1441826563;assbot;Slave for Blacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCO3U ) 1268334;1441826571;mircea_popescu;it's always great when two kinds of maculature meet. 1268335;1441826578;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: feel free to log in & zero the disk whenever. 1268336;1441826597;*;mircea_popescu is not gonna bother 1268337;1441826624;ascii_field;there is literally nothing secret on this box. 1268338;1441826633;mircea_popescu;but anyway : "racism" is exactly the derp word for sexual preference. the reason some people don't like other people is purely sexual. 1268339;1441826666;ascii_field;trinque: who else could be 'likely enemy' ?! martians ?!?? 1268340;1441826678;trinque;obviously I'm not surprised at that. 1268341;1441826687;ascii_field;'вероятный противник' (tm) 1268342;1441826707;trinque;I eagerly await the overturning of the world, as it has been chewing the back of my mind a long while. 1268343;1441826740;ascii_field;'sergeant: private! why were you walking the street wearing the pants of the Likely Enemy ?!' ('80s ru army joke) 1268344;1441826756;mircea_popescu;hahaha veroyatnij 1268345;1441826761;mircea_popescu;"vraisemblable" 1268346;1441826766;mircea_popescu;such french 1268347;1441826782;ascii_field;~= probable 1268348;1441826789;mircea_popescu;yup 1268349;1441826813;mircea_popescu;with a sprinkle of credible / persuasiable. 1268350;1441826832;mircea_popescu;"an undismissable argument may be brought that this will be so" 1268351;1441826840;ascii_field;aha. 1268352;1441826865;mircea_popescu;pointedly no judgement as to likeliness or future course of events is made 1268353;1441826873;mircea_popescu;what the word describes is a purely intellectual situation, today. 1268354;1441826887;mircea_popescu;sad that the anglos have no languages, or linguistics whatsoever. 1268355;1441826908;trinque;but we made a new iPhone 1268356;1441826914;mircea_popescu;aokthen 1268357;1441827019;mircea_popescu;ascii_field incidentally isn't it potrivnik ? 1268358;1441827023;mircea_popescu;it's protivnik ?! 1268359;1441827038;ascii_field;противник. 1268360;1441827043;ascii_field;== opponent 1268361;1441827053;mircea_popescu;nuts. romanian has the word, same meaning, but the r migrated. 1268362;1441827064;mircea_popescu;is this a latin influence in russian, is тивник anything ? 1268363;1441827069;jurov;slovak has exactly same word 1268364;1441827070;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: consonants wander as you go west 1268365;1441827073;ascii_field;look at the czechs 1268366;1441827077;mircea_popescu;lol 1268367;1441827085;jurov;czechs too incidentally 1268368;1441827091;mircea_popescu;the czechs consonants wandered because they munch too much cunmt 1268369;1441827130;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: против == against 1268370;1441827137;ascii_field;opposed. 1268371;1441827144;mircea_popescu;anyway in ro it has an entire migrated family : deopotriva (of the same ilk), impotriva (against) etc 1268372;1441827181;mircea_popescu;the cannonical rejection of misplaced familiarity being "nu suntem deopotriva" ie, we're not of the same social level. 1268373;1441827204;thestringpuller;wind 27 1268374;1441827221;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller your article ever end up onb twitter ? 1268375;1441827255;thestringpuller;yea https://twitter.com/search?q=qntra&src=typd 1268376;1441827262;mircea_popescu;bah. i meant reddit lol 1268377;1441827270;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268372 << betcha jp has 7 variants of this... 1268378;1441827270;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 19:33:01; mircea_popescu: the cannonical rejection of misplaced familiarity being "nu suntem deopotriva" ie, we're not of the same social level. 1268379;1441827282;mircea_popescu;or none. 1268380;1441827294;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1268381;1441827313;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they have many more than 2 ты/вы addresses 1268382;1441827326;mircea_popescu;i thought they just had san 1268383;1441827330;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea. that too. actually got submitted by 3 separate people @_@ 1268384;1441827335;mircea_popescu;i saw it on my ipad from jobs-san 1268385;1441827344;ascii_field;e.g., male-superior, female-superior, male-divine, female-divine, male-subordinate, female-subordinate, male-child, female-child, ..., prolly more 1268386;1441827346;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ahaha win. downvoted erry time ? 1268387;1441827410;punkman;ascii_field: way more than those https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics 1268388;1441827411;assbot;Japanese honorifics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkEoCT ) 1268389;1441827443;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/domain/qntra.net/ << the first one was submitted during low traffic time. the other three have different titles. 1268390;1441827521;ben_vulpes; Interlocking cuts, glue, and clamps are the way, the truth, and the light in furniture << aye aye 1268391;1441827527;ben_vulpes;"joinery" 1268392;1441827541;ben_vulpes;but when i want to build builtins in my rental, i use compressed air and nails. 1268393;1441827571;trinque;http://www.rt.com/news/314787-russia-air-bases-csto/ << damn, USistan is weaker by the day. 1268394;1441827571;assbot;Russia is ready to establish airbases in neighboring countries – Russian PM — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkEKtg ) 1268395;1441827583;trinque;I recall recently Putin calling for an international something against terrorism. 1268396;1441827600;trinque;I wonder if that will develop into something specific against US-supported terrorism. 1268397;1441827605;mircea_popescu;lmao if the romanians manage the performance of leasing some land to the russians right next to the land their leased the americans to make their military bases 1268398;1441827611;mircea_popescu;it'd only be like the nth time historically lol. 1268399;1441827619;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: cuba, l0l 1268400;1441827629;mircea_popescu;lightweights 1268401;1441827637;mircea_popescu;ro's been doing it for like 1800 years 1268402;1441827662;ascii_field;(iirc the ru lease in cuba lapsed when they couldn't make rent in '90s) 1268403;1441827681;mircea_popescu;trinque anyway, the su's got that superb su, they gotta use it before the window closes in 5 -10years. 1268404;1441827712;trinque;the plane? 1268405;1441827738;mircea_popescu;(/me vaguely suspects that much like the french get the trophy for "last and therefore best supersonic air transport", the ru may get the trophy for "last and therefore best" fighter jet. i somehow doubt a better one's ever getting made, by anyone) 1268406;1441827742;mircea_popescu;yes the plane. 1268407;1441827780;ascii_field;not many folks remember today who made the best bombard, either. 1268408;1441827814;mircea_popescu;not many folks remember today where their asshole is located. wut of it. 1268409;1441827836;trinque;gonna be a sad thing when we try to field whichever f35s can fly 1268410;1441827899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00074359 = 21.7128 BTC [-] {3} 1268411;1441827906;ascii_field;trinque: why not simply throw trunks of benjies at the enemy, aha 1268412;1441827923;ascii_field;(before window closes ! while they're worth something !) 1268413;1441827943;mircea_popescu;hehehe ayup. 1268414;1441827950;*;mircea_popescu wonders if bullet sized missiles will ever happen. 1268415;1441827963;mircea_popescu;"why learn how to shoot ? fire our ICBM Pea at your enemies!" 1268416;1441827964;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc lockheed was advertising this 1268417;1441827969;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1268418;1441827974;ascii_field;doesn't mean quite same thing as 'happened' aha 1268419;1441827977;trinque;there was some DoD wank about self-steering bullets 1268420;1441827985;mircea_popescu;and MIT was adverttiosing "learn how to light lightbulbs and other wonders of 1800 science! TODAY!" 1268421;1441828030;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026842 << see also. 1268422;1441828030;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2015 04:28:52; asciilifeform: in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built 1268423;1441828125;*;trinque thought the caspian sea monster and other ground-effect planes were this, but recently considered the value of massive transport across the caspian and black seas 1268424;1441828148;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: self-steering projectile ~really~ wants to be a rocket, not only because guidance apparatus costs and so may as well include large warhead, but also because changing direction kills velocity if all you got is the acceleration in the barrel (classical bullet) 1268425;1441828174;mircea_popescu;uayup 1268426;1441828188;ascii_field;trinque: 'экраноплан' - but think of it as a very fast gunboat, rather than a plane 1268427;1441828221;trinque;the largest one seemed capable of moving more than a few tanks 1268428;1441828240;mircea_popescu;the hercules moves like a dozen planes, and actually flies. 1268429;1441828251;mircea_popescu;if you just have it hover on water, you should be able to move a fucking tank plant. 1268430;1441828268;trinque;https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--C4euWJ8m--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/195msu6s5gizsjpg.jpg 1268431;1441828269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkGuTv ) 1268432;1441828282;trinque;bleh, gawker. but anyhow, there's the beast 1268433;1441828306;mircea_popescu;that'd kick ass btw. "our fleet consists of this flagship that is a tank factory. it outputs tanks in continuous motion (60mph) 4 thick." 1268434;1441828334;ascii_field;l0l 'warcraft' & co 1268435;1441828474;mircea_popescu;;;calc 60 * 1.6 * 4 * 200 1268436;1441828474;gribble;76800 1268437;1441828480;mircea_popescu;77k tanks an hour, not so bad. 1268438;1441828528;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hey, i dunno if you ever played this, but there was a GREAT, an absoluterly fucking fantastic game in the pre-windows days 1268439;1441828542;mircea_popescu;3dmax or something. initialism like that. ace. something. 1268440;1441828565;mircea_popescu;in a distopian future with a very gritty burnished steel look and feel about it, you built all sorts of tanks, helicopters etc, 1268441;1441828575;mircea_popescu;to get the enemy base. did research for them too, gathered resources, 1268442;1441828583;mircea_popescu;a sort of much better starwars before starwars 1268443;1441828591;ascii_field;'command & conquer' ? 1268444;1441828606;mircea_popescu;M.A.X.: Mechanized Assault & Exploration 1268445;1441828607;mircea_popescu;ha! 1268446;1441828620;mircea_popescu;that game was so fucking great... 1268447;1441828656;mircea_popescu;imo still unsurpassed. 1268448;1441828669;ascii_field;imho even 1980s 'ranger' is unsurpassed still 1268449;1441828698;mircea_popescu;http://www.juegomania.org/M.A.X.%3A+Mechanized+Assault+%26+Exploration/foto/pc/0/270/270.jpg/Foto+M.A.X.%3A+Mechanized+Assault+%26+Exploration.jpg 1268450;1441828699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkHVRD ) 1268451;1441828705;mircea_popescu;those fucking pipes. you had to defend the pipes. 1268452;1441828707;ascii_field;the one where you were a lone diversant sent behind enemy lines, and had to choose whether the weight of, e.g., extra demo charge is worth losing three frags or five pistol clips, etc 1268453;1441828737;mats;http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34188569 1268454;1441828738;assbot;Who are these Russian fighters posting pics of themselves in Syria? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkI1Je ) 1268455;1441828764;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i suppose this is what the obese have ruined in the world. scarcity. 1268456;1441828777;ascii_field;http://thehouseofgames.org/index.php?t=10&id=138 1268457;1441828777;assbot;Airborne ranger (1987) review for MS-DOS, Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkI8Ep ) 1268458;1441828792;ascii_field;i fucking loved this little thing 1268459;1441828851;mircea_popescu;and com,mand and conquer fucking sucked. 1268460;1441828857;ascii_field;aha 1268461;1441828868;mircea_popescu;generally speaking, real time anything is for idiots. 1268462;1441828870;ascii_field;which is why i was a little surprised when thought it was mentioned 1268463;1441828875;ascii_field;^^ yes! 1268464;1441828884;mircea_popescu;go twitch in a fucking jar on a shelf already. 1268465;1441828890;ascii_field;'real time' generally == 'arm wrestle' 1268466;1441828909;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, if we make all messages 140 characters your advantages over us won't be so obvious" 1268467;1441828928;ascii_field;procrustes called, wants sofa back 1268468;1441828946;lobbes;generally speaking, real time anything is for idiots << heh, Eulora is real-time ;/ 1268469;1441828956;lobbes;but hence, the 'generally' 1268470;1441828962;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267901 << it's an epic fucking win. they can still READ. 1268471;1441828962;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:26:49; asciilifeform: this is not a win. 1268472;1441828969;mircea_popescu;they do not need to talk back just because they walk. 1268473;1441828982;mircea_popescu;lobbes how is it real time ? 1268474;1441829035;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i suppose it is a win then that i cannot ask stoutemyer anything. after all, my only qualification is 'can walk', aha. 1268475;1441829053;mircea_popescu;hey, if you like the stick like the lube too. 1268476;1441829076;lobbes;mircea_popescu: if you are not playing you 'fall behind' the economy? though, that is the beauty of the 'encouraged bots' system 1268477;1441829097;mircea_popescu;but i'd note that if there was a #derive-assets where i could get a half hour's window, this would be a non problem. 1268478;1441829115;mircea_popescu;lobbes people assume this is the case but i have not observed it to be true. 1268479;1441829128;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1268480;1441829133;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls to mpex 1268481;1441829138;mircea_popescu;jurov will do. 1268482;1441829139;trinque;BingoBoingo: you approve of fastmail? 1268483;1441829174;BingoBoingo;trinque: All email providers suck. I don't endorse fastmail, but I condemn it less than other options. 1268484;1441829176;jurov;lobbes: just your skills rust. but low skills are useful,too 1268485;1441829186;ascii_field;l0l derive-assets 1268486;1441829201;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267916 << you must think very little of me then! 1268487;1441829201;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:35:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267767 << this is a CATASTROPHICALLY bad idea, because any attempt is simply asking for self-delusionary masamunification (sorry gabriel_laddel, but you know precisely what i mean.) -- this being, 'aha this is a turd, but WE made it and therefore doesn't stink and is somehow edible' 1268488;1441829226;lobbes;jurov: yeah, it seems n00bs are valuable due to fact. very interesting indeed 1268489;1441829238;trinque;BingoBoingo: certainly; e-mail itself sucks, and I'm ready to accept that it's as bad as using facebook messenger, and let someone else run spamassassin day and night 1268490;1441829239;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267920 << this is where it's headed. 1268491;1441829239;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:36:35; asciilifeform: b) want graphics. WE DON'T HAVE A SANE GRAPHICS STACK 1268492;1441829252;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if you - or anybody else - can write something recognizable as this item, i promise to take off my hat 1268493;1441829253;trinque;want to send me a real message? gpg-gram me 1268494;1441829264;ascii_field;but the foundations aren't there. 1268495;1441829290;trinque;I would use a text-only computer all day provided it had something of a net connection 1268496;1441829314;*;trinque checks his workspaces for graphics, finds only text 1268497;1441829315;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, that's not the point. the point is that what, seriously, ima sit here and go "hey, this shit's pretty good" ? 1268498;1441829319;mircea_popescu;when did that happen. 1268499;1441829340;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: imho you were falling into this very bear trap with the 'nano' thread 1268500;1441829341;ascii_field;see log. 1268501;1441829354;mircea_popescu;trinque i woke up last night to the fact that email only persists because we havewn't fully groked the importance and effects of b-a yet. 1268502;1441829355;ascii_field;it is very easy to become convinced that the only available item doesn't suck 1268503;1441829365;mircea_popescu;ascii_field a) i didn't make it! 1268504;1441829370;mircea_popescu;wtf. i also use gpg. 1268505;1441829395;mircea_popescu;what happened when deedbot didn't have a faq ? 1268506;1441829452;ascii_field;alternatively 1268507;1441829454;BingoBoingo;lol, the Hearnia mempool solution is randomly drop tx so that all spam has a home somewhere https://archive.is/NgRdK 1268508;1441829455;assbot;Mempool size limiting — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkKcMP ) 1268509;1441829461;ascii_field;what happened when tmsr didn't have a foundry? 1268510;1441829485;shinohai;LOL @ Hearnia 1268511;1441829486;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes I think using "the logs" has a lot of fruit left to give 1268512;1441829517;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: a) enemy reads the logs, mega-surprise aha b) this is roughly isomorphic to the old behaviour, 'crash when full' 1268513;1441829536;mircea_popescu;trinque indeed! 1268514;1441829549;shinohai;He never responded to my queries as to why he is too good to sign binaries he barfs out to the wider internet. 1268515;1441829563;mircea_popescu;ascii_field their inability to observe isomorphism is one of their lulziest features. 1268516;1441829565;ascii_field;c) it is necessary so hearn can bolt on tx blacklisting later 1268517;1441829575;jurov;i remember we discussed when the patch went in 1268518;1441829580;jurov;but can;t find it 1268519;1441829590;mircea_popescu;(and a forced mistake, too. in odrder to avoid noticing the isomorphism between yourself and turd in the sun, you're stuck breaking the isomorphism recognizer) 1268520;1441829624;mircea_popescu;shinohai the key to success is to not answer to negative people. he knows because altman said so. 1268521;1441829683;mircea_popescu;"the xt is not a huge privacy hole because you can recompile it not to be. we're banking on thefact the fucktards in usg-zoo won'tanyway. we don't sign binaries but it could be done if needed except we're banking on idem" 1268522;1441829688;mircea_popescu;very well oiled, the cattle machine. 1268523;1441829714;*;mircea_popescu is looking forward to thew v-tron being misrepresented as "drm". 1268524;1441829734;shinohai;Cattle machine indeed. 1268525;1441829738;mircea_popescu;(it will be. and to THEIR detriment, because it's very much a poison pill for that entire industree) 1268526;1441829741;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: neh it'll be 'embraced' and extended 1268527;1441829759;mircea_popescu;github already trying this but it won't work for very good reasons. 1268528;1441829763;ascii_field;rewritten in ruby, claimed to have been in steady use at stanford since 1995, the whole orchestra. 1268529;1441829780;ascii_field;like phuctor. 1268530;1441829782;mircea_popescu;nah 1268531;1441829788;mircea_popescu;that dun work. 1268532;1441829793;ascii_field;why not ? 1268533;1441829799;mircea_popescu;ima tell you why. 1268534;1441829812;*;shinohai pops popcorn 1268535;1441829829;mircea_popescu;for the same rason disinfo agent is stuck discussing "quiantum hjardening" and "cpu arch based attacks". ie, he is NOT ALLOWED to give even a single inch. which terribly boxes him in. 1268536;1441829835;*;ascii_field struggles to think of even one useful tool that doesn't have a retarded usgized variant - e.g., gpg 1268537;1441829853;mircea_popescu;all the important bits we have are radioactive to them 1268538;1441829861;mircea_popescu;which precludes effectual approach 1268539;1441829869;ascii_field;could have supposed same thing about public key crypto 1268540;1441829875;ascii_field;but it was absorbed quite readily 1268541;1441829879;mircea_popescu;and yes this must stay so. which is why my comment re you must think little of me above. 1268542;1441829884;mircea_popescu;not so. 1268543;1441829894;mircea_popescu;it was not absorbed readily at all, for one thing. 1268544;1441829934;ascii_field;surely mircea_popescu knows that usg (esp. .mil) makes heavy use of an internal tard pgp by microshit 1268545;1441829941;ascii_field;yes, this exists 1268546;1441829948;ascii_field;complete with magical cards 1268547;1441829953;mircea_popescu;anyway, incorporated here by reference, the discussion where i showed you how holding bitcoin destroys nsa. 1268548;1441829962;ascii_field;now this i recall 1268549;1441829972;mircea_popescu;the same exact principle is to be employed throughout : either they ignore the bits which makes them uncompetitivew 1268550;1441829977;mircea_popescu;or they use the bits which makes them us. 1268551;1441829981;mircea_popescu;no third way. 1268552;1441829988;ascii_field;iirc this was a theme in 'lord of the rings' aha 1268553;1441829992;mircea_popescu;and so yes, b-a browser 1268554;1441830013;ascii_field;my point was that b-a browser demands b-a machine 1268555;1441830021;ascii_field;because spittoon ~is~ in one strand 1268556;1441830040;ascii_field;because libjpeg, x11, et al, must die 1268557;1441830044;mircea_popescu;maybe. i'm firmly in the camp of "let people try things" 1268558;1441830044;BingoBoingo; my point was that b-a browser demands b-a machine << TI-92 1268559;1441830051;trinque;I have a question regarding this. Would a device operating at the network boundary, parsing packets and only permitting some signed wad in, only signed wads out be valuable in any way? 1268560;1441830065;ascii_field;trinque: i described this device in agonizing detail 1268561;1441830074;mircea_popescu;trinque maybe. 1268562;1441830075;ascii_field;some time during the original gossipd thread 1268563;1441830083;mike_c;ben_vulpes: I'm used to doctests. how do i run your v unittests? 1268564;1441830083;jurov;trinque: problem is it can be easily dosed 1268565;1441830083;trinque;aha, and I discussed it with you before as well 1268566;1441830103;ascii_field;trinque: imho it is the only correct way to make a network at all. 1268567;1441830114;jurov;only recourse is for the enemy to not know exact endpoint 1268568;1441830122;ascii_field;what we have today is roughly analogous to early spark gap radio 1268569;1441830125;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and that's also what the msr license is all about, too. 1268570;1441830131;mircea_popescu;jurov recourse is to have many of them. 1268571;1441830132;ascii_field;where there was room for exactly one transmitter/receiver per continent 1268572;1441830142;mircea_popescu;ddos only works a) briefly and b) on large targets. 1268573;1441830145;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of laser. 1268574;1441830145;ben_vulpes;mike_c: python -m unittest test_v 1268575;1441830153;trinque;seems that if everything coming/going is parsed, verified, it drastically reduces the amount of remote exploitation possible 1268576;1441830161;trinque;and that seems a far smaller target to build than a whole new arch 1268577;1441830168;mike_c;kthx. maybe test_v.py should have if __init__==main unittest.main()? is that not standard? 1268578;1441830182;ascii_field;mike_c: if you like 1268579;1441830198;mike_c;i haven't used this module much. not sure what sop is. 1268580;1441830204;mike_c;this module = unittest 1268581;1441830210;ascii_field;mike_c: i'd prefer that someone were to add the desperately needed topological walker, rather than focusing on the little chipped paint bits, but that's just me 1268582;1441830215;jurov;mircea_popescu: i don't see any big obstacle against ddosing 1000 targets with slow connections vs. targeting one 1268583;1441830220;mircea_popescu;ascii_field dude let people do what they do. 1268584;1441830224;mike_c;i'm just trying to run the tests for now :) 1268585;1441830228;*;ascii_field lets 1268586;1441830236;mircea_popescu;jurov is this an argument to ignorance ? 1268587;1441830254;jurov;why ignorance? 1268588;1441830258;mircea_popescu;"i don't see" 1268589;1441830258;ben_vulpes;mike_c: nominally unittest does test discovery, i focused on making tests though. 1268590;1441830263;mike_c;ah 1268591;1441830283;ben_vulpes;it should run with python -m unittest from the same directory as v, but... 1268592;1441830301;jurov;i'm trying to imagine this thing. if we are going to have 1000 nodes , they will necessarily be on misc home connections 1268593;1441830307;ben_vulpes;this is a thing i do once per project and always forget how it's supposed to go. 1268594;1441830307;ascii_field;trinque, jurov: if device which silently drops unsigned (or signed by unblessed) packets straight on the floor were mass-produced and inexpensive, ddos as a thing ends. 1268595;1441830327;mircea_popescu;jurov it's unsound to proceed from that point by makin assumptions. 1268596;1441830329;ben_vulpes;and then on top of that, every project i pick up has some arcane setup for running its tests, because...legacy. 1268597;1441830331;ascii_field;or rather, doesn't end, but becomes a voluntary idiocy like running winblowz 1268598;1441830346;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and so as alf would point out, "nothing hapepened" 1268599;1441830352;mike_c;it's running now, and failing. 1268600;1441830371;ben_vulpes;ya, one out of 16? 1268601;1441830375;ben_vulpes;"always leave a failing test" 1268602;1441830376;ascii_field;mike_c: what is 1268603;1441830381;trinque;seems I could have whatever shitty computers I like behind such a device, and could be relatively certain that no command and control messages are making it in 1268604;1441830381;mike_c;yeah, 1 1268605;1441830388;trinque;provided the device *works* obviously 1268606;1441830391;mircea_popescu;jurov consider the experimentally verified, and publicly at that, fact that ddos couldn't do any appreciabvle harm to qntra, or trilema. 1268607;1441830420;ben_vulpes;mike_c: that is the test i left off at. feel free to replace the "gotcha" assertion with an actual test, or just eliminate the assertion completely. 1268608;1441830420;mircea_popescu;and this without any sort of imperial investments, either. also quite deliberately, and at least in part for the reason of this discussion. 1268609;1441830422;jurov;and they examine each packet signature? 1268610;1441830427;mike_c;got it 1268611;1441830430;*;jurov is confused 1268612;1441830449;mircea_popescu;wait, you wanted cpu-based ddos ? 1268613;1441830484;mircea_popescu;because cpus are so much better than pipes these days, a dirty little secret the us telcos have managed to hide from their market like they managed to hide the fact that NOBODY CHARGES FOR INCOMING CALLS!!11, 1268614;1441830493;mircea_popescu;most ddos is pipe exhaustion not cpu exhaustion. 1268615;1441830503;ascii_field;^ someone did not know this ?! 1268616;1441830509;mircea_popescu;everyone all the time. 1268617;1441830516;*;jurov is now more confused 1268618;1441830556;jurov;the discussion is about per-packet signature verification 1268619;1441830563;jurov;which none named does 1268620;1441830575;jurov;and thus can shrug any ddos 1268621;1441830580;jurov;amiright? 1268622;1441830584;mircea_popescu;when you say ddos people are going to assume you mean, you know, as it is. 1268623;1441830584;ascii_field;jurov: aha. see the old gossipd thread. 1268624;1441830585;mike_c;and if i alter one of the public keys more tests fail, so that's good. 1268625;1441830622;mircea_popescu;ie, you put the filter node up, yet it can't be accessed because syn flood. irrespective of its function. 1268626;1441830627;ascii_field;jurov: basic principle, at least in my variant of its statement, was that an unknown endpoint is to be listened to STRICTLY for as long as it takes to establish that it can sign with a key that you wot. 1268627;1441830643;ascii_field;AND that this can take place at line speed. 1268628;1441830660;mircea_popescu;iirc that was left as a maybe. 1268629;1441830675;mircea_popescu;(the 2nd clause) 1268630;1441830691;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i can show rigorously that it can be. but requires custom si. 1268631;1441830735;ascii_field;also it will of course depend on the line. but you can mux/demux the bits, recall. 1268632;1441830738;trinque;what if it didn't verify the sig; it just verified that it looks like a sig, and hands off to something that can 1268633;1441830744;ascii_field;trinque: mno 1268634;1441830748;ascii_field;trinque: that does nothing. 1268635;1441830769;ascii_field;simply means that the enemy needs to spend three minutes adjusting his shit cannon 1268636;1441830829;*;trinque doesn't expect fabs on the battlefield, trying to consider what the simplest useful piece of hardware might be 1268637;1441830855;ascii_field;the thing to understand is that 'hardware gosspid' nodes would form an impenetrable skin around a p2p sane internet. 1268638;1441830864;trinque;I understand that very well. 1268639;1441830899;trinque;was imagining a network device connected in three directions, outside world, sig checker, and inside world 1268640;1441830900;deedbot-;[Qntra] MIT Sacrifices Rag in XTCoin Push - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mit-sacrifices-rag-in-xtcoin-push/ 1268641;1441830928;trinque;but perhaps yes, sig checker without dedicated sig-checking hardware is too slow? 1268642;1441830929;ascii_field;trinque: sig checker ~must~ operate at line speed, and in practice this means it is integral to the die which actually throws the packets around. 1268643;1441830930;mike_c;hm, v.py is leaking file descriptors all over the place. muy messy :) 1268644;1441830957;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1268645;1441830992;jurov;yes that's what i had in mind. nothing stops anyone from producing arbitrary number of "almost signed" packets 1268646;1441831002;ascii_field;almost pregnant. 1268647;1441831022;trinque;*garbage arranged to look like a sig to a dumb parser 1268648;1441831081;ascii_field;a valid packet is necessarily 1) rsa'd to the node's ephem-key 2) signed by originator's ephem-key 1268649;1441831085;ascii_field;all else - insta-shitcan. 1268650;1441831106;mike_c;ascii_field: what's the plan here? you want updates signed/posted on the mailing list? we going to use v to manage changes to v? 1268651;1441831132;ascii_field;mike_c: i confess that my intent was to have folks rewrite it 1268652;1441831147;ascii_field;mainly to demonstrate that everyone groks 1268653;1441831188;ascii_field;and that there would exist several incarnations, which do not ever disagree on answers 1268654;1441831202;mike_c;hmm. 1268655;1441831205;ascii_field;just as modern pocket calculators generally agree on arithmetic. 1268656;1441831216;*;ben_vulpes is struck by a lightningbolt of understanding 1268657;1441831234;mike_c;whelp, the foundation might as well have an implementation 1268658;1441831239;ascii_field;'v' is far too necessary to remain a me-thing (much less a python-thing or pc-thing) 1268659;1441831244;ascii_field;it has to EXIST 1268660;1441831245;ben_vulpes;okay, i get it now stan. 1268661;1441831248;ascii_field;the way calculator does. 1268662;1441831271;mike_c;ben_vulpes: you want me to post a full tarball or diffs to mailing list? 1268663;1441831277;trinque;every soldier may assemble his rifle 1268664;1441831288;trinque;I dunno about the tactical sense in every soldier creating his own 1268665;1441831303;trinque;network edge device same, so on 1268666;1441831307;ben_vulpes;mike_c: i posted a tarball, as i did some messy surgery and expected brutal diffs. if you can get cleaner diffs, that'd be great. 1268667;1441831321;*;trinque expects he has 5 years of semi-stable country at best 1268668;1441831327;mike_c;ok. i'm working from your tarball. I'll see what the diffs end up looking like 1268669;1441831359;ascii_field;my initial 'v' presses rel1 and the bleeding-edge rel2, yes, but it ought to be regarded as a proof-of-concept 1268670;1441831367;ascii_field;rather than foundation for eternal thing 1268671;1441831373;ben_vulpes;mike_c: asciilifeform objected to the "which method, which args" approach to routing around argparse's braindamage, so if you have good ideas down there throw 'em out 1268672;1441831390;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: in principle i object to repetition in a proggy 1268673;1441831396;ben_vulpes;(as in to #b-a) 1268674;1441831404;ascii_field;as in, why the fuck do i have to change something in 3 separate places when adding a knob 1268675;1441831412;ascii_field;ought to be ONE 1268676;1441831416;ascii_field;(currently, notice, two) 1268677;1441831426;ben_vulpes;because the way that argparse suggests you set up function calls is stupid as hell! 1268678;1441831446;trinque;so make a lisp data structure and then derive your argparsing code from... oh wait 1268679;1441831449;trinque;ehehe 1268680;1441831451;ascii_field;i will borrow a page from mircea_popescu and say 'i don't give a fuck HOW' it is done 1268681;1441831454;ben_vulpes;shaddup trinque 1268682;1441831455;ascii_field;so long as it is not RETARDED 1268683;1441831468;ben_vulpes;you're not wrong, i just hate the straightjacket of argparse's function call behavior. 1268684;1441831489;ascii_field;i despise the whole language 1268685;1441831499;ascii_field;but all the unix scripting langs are quite alike 1268686;1441831592;mike_c;the two places being the argparse and the switch statement at the end? 1268687;1441831608;ascii_field;mike_c: that's ben_vulpes's version, not mine 1268688;1441831613;mike_c;got it 1268689;1441831627;ascii_field;i am also counting the function itself 1268690;1441831638;ascii_field;so he has 3 places. 1268691;1441831815;mike_c;so many globals :) ok, I'll definitely take a swing at reorganizing a bit 1268692;1441831852;mike_c;and it will be very nice to have a test suite while doing so. so thanks ben_vulpes. 1268693;1441831907;ben_vulpes;mike_c: and that's after i burned out like 70% of them! 1268694;1441831914;ascii_field;imho this is misguided. 1268695;1441831926;ascii_field;this is not a proggy to be 'libraryized' and dijkstraized 1268696;1441831926;mike_c;so don't do it in your implementation 1268697;1441831952;ascii_field;aha, i didn't. specifically in the interest of keeping it short and destroying redundancy 1268698;1441831975;mike_c;I love how small it is. 1268699;1441831976;ben_vulpes;dijkstraized? 1268700;1441832014;mike_c;of course, that is partially because of the hairball that is gnupg.. 1268701;1441832095;mike_c;why not make it libraryized? if gpg was libraryized shit like this wouldn't be so hard 1268702;1441832132;punkman;ascii_field: mike_c: i'd prefer that someone were to add the desperately needed topological walker, rather than focusing on the little chipped paint bits, but that's just me << what would this walker do? 1268703;1441832193;mike_c;toposort a pile of patches with antescedants and descedants 1268704;1441832200;punkman;we have that 1268705;1441832217;ascii_field;punkman: handle broken and orphaned chains 1268706;1441832242;ascii_field;to see what i mean, try adding a patch that depends on a rel1 terminus but is not built on by anything else. 1268707;1441832256;ascii_field;it will destroy the entire thing 1268708;1441832274;ascii_field;because 'press' assumes that ~all~ patches are part of longest chain somewhere. 1268709;1441832430;ascii_field;the other much needed bit, imho, 1268710;1441832441;ascii_field;is a graphatron that doesn't suck 1268711;1441832452;ascii_field;which is to say, it needs to produce 1) ascii art, wit 1268712;1441832455;ascii_field;h 1268713;1441832467;ascii_field;2) clickable boxes 1268714;1441832482;ascii_field;(simple html) 1268715;1441832505;ascii_field;these would expand to actual (colourized) diffs which the patch in question concerned. 1268716;1441832607;ascii_field;the ONLY lib i found so far that does something like what is needed is a perl turd, http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/manual/overview.html 1268717;1441832609;assbot;Graph::Easy - Manual - Overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1ixLqgQ ) 1268718;1441832612;ascii_field;i do not regard it as usable 1268719;1441832623;ascii_field;but the basic principle is illustrated. 1268720;1441832924;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field 1268721;1441833415;trinque;ascii_field: just to wrap up the thought, this network device is simply (and exactly) a packet filter that accepts packets through one orifice, checks signatures (presumably has a slot somewhere in its head for pubkeys) and farts them inward via second orifice or drops on the floor 1268722;1441833432;ascii_field;trinque: at its bare essence - yes. 1268723;1441833438;ascii_field;hardware gossipd, if you like. 1268724;1441833449;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/3c1pry/all_of_the_nopes_there_is_no_such_thing_as_the/ 1268725;1441833450;assbot;All of the Nopes: "There is no such thing as the crime of 'rape'" and that's arguably not the worst part : againstmensrights ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXd7o ) 1268726;1441833450;mircea_popescu;aww. 1268727;1441833474;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ka7ic/bitcoin_is_not_visa/ << it's on front page nao. 1268728;1441833482;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1268729;1441833484;ascii_field;trinque: the 'adult' version would also emit packets. but this is far less essential to 'hardwareize' 1268730;1441833508;ascii_field;given as the overwhelming brunt of the load is on crud rejection 1268731;1441833537;trinque;yep, makes sense 1268732;1441833547;ascii_field;but no, it does not make any sense to consider any of this without si fab 1268733;1441833572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00073983 = 6.3625 BTC [-] 1268734;1441833589;trinque;well I'll consider it, but for my education 1268735;1441833633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00073757 = 32.3793 BTC [-] {4} 1268736;1441833706;trinque;I see two separate problems 1268737;1441833718;trinque;parsing packets in/out according to some grammar 1268738;1441833724;trinque;and then the sig checking 1268739;1441833735;ascii_field;the sig check is what needs the custom si 1268740;1441833740;mircea_popescu;https://s.zkcdn.net/Advertisers/a2d4e53fd3cf46ceb02ef9b7289225e6.jpg << kinda funny how the cheap catholic doodaad image of jesus from the 1915s is still kicking around 1268741;1441833740;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYF5ue ) 1268742;1441833745;trinque;I can think of many applications on the net I'd like to demand only ever say things according to grammar G 1268743;1441833754;ascii_field;trinque: that part is trivial. 1268744;1441833761;trinque;is not, computer isn't trustworthy 1268745;1441833766;ascii_field;but then again the whole thing is trivial. 1268746;1441833779;ascii_field;but i do not have a fab. wake me up when you have one. 1268747;1441833784;jurov;how was the tx issue resolved? aa956edc2dd94722b5794eaf4e987ebdc8189d2e4c6334c433d7514a28d6b3ab 1268748;1441833793;mircea_popescu;or a dirigible. so much stuff hanging... 1268749;1441833820;mircea_popescu;jurov foced mining. 1268750;1441833830;jurov;alf gotta switch to "unfreeze me when..." 1268751;1441833844;jurov;as in, you have a deal with miner? 1268752;1441833853;ascii_field;'resurrect me when' 1268753;1441833879;mircea_popescu;suffice it to say, 4kb txn SHOULD NOT have any fucking problems. 1268754;1441833889;ben_vulpes;'can also have problems' 1268755;1441833892;mircea_popescu;the relay network is gettng ever shittier. 1268756;1441833909;ascii_field;jurov: it ended with me scouring several GB of packet dump for the tx and not finding it 1268757;1441833918;ascii_field;despite mircea_popescu transmitting nonstop 1268758;1441833928;ascii_field;directly to my node. 1268759;1441833934;mircea_popescu;well. "directly" 1268760;1441833937;ascii_field;aha. 1268761;1441833939;ascii_field;'directly.' 1268762;1441833946;ascii_field;the only kind we presently have. 1268763;1441833966;mircea_popescu;ascii_field at least i didn't need a si fab for it eh. 1268764;1441833992;trinque;"If you wish to eat a nagant, you must first invent the universe." 1268765;1441833992;*;mircea_popescu intends to mine 1mb txn at some point, just for the fu factor. 1268766;1441833995;trinque;- Carl Sagan 1268767;1441834097;mircea_popescu;(the summary of the txn for the curious : 4223 bytes, 250000 fee, 28 inputs of which 17 = 1 satoshi, 2 outputs. none of this should be controversial. fix your implementations of bitcoin relay) 1268768;1441834162;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it never landed. 1268769;1441834336;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267938 << apparently he never discovered porn. 1268770;1441834336;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:47:25; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. << eh, geddoutofhere. 1268771;1441834341;*;ben_vulpes expects slurptxn at some indefinite point 1268772;1441834431;jurov;there's porn worth preserving? 1268773;1441834438;ascii_field;^ 1268774;1441834467;mircea_popescu;yes. 1268775;1441834480;mircea_popescu;i have more than a coupla gb of porn i shot myself of my own women. and im keeping it. 1268776;1441834484;mircea_popescu;so there goes that theory. 1268777;1441834510;ascii_field;preserve, preserve. 1268778;1441834529;mircea_popescu;also ftr, the size of the cd was set that way because a certain bigwig wanted to listen to a certain symphony without interruption. 1268779;1441834538;mircea_popescu;there's easily plurious gb of music i also similarly want. 1268780;1441834561;mircea_popescu;there's at least 1k movies that must be kept, and even at the modest 700mb a pop that's 700gb consequently. 1268781;1441834563;mircea_popescu;etc 1268782;1441834626;ascii_field;what would mircea_popescu hypothetically ~personally~ pay per byte to preserve them ? 1268783;1441834640;ascii_field;in the sense of where they would otherwise disappear. 1268784;1441834640;mircea_popescu;an ounce of usian blood, for starters. 1268785;1441834651;ascii_field;easy to pay with someone else's ! 1268786;1441834654;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1268787;1441834690;mircea_popescu;the first and foremost function of government : pointing at whose blood must pay for which bytes. 1268788;1441834702;ascii_field;how else. 1268789;1441834738;mircea_popescu;assbot approves. 1268790;1441834741;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1268791;1441834778;*;ascii_field was distracted by fist-sized butterfly trying to get through window glass. a very rare sight in this part of the world. 1268792;1441834800;mircea_popescu;butterfly landed on my icecream once. 1268793;1441834818;mircea_popescu;i srsly think it wanted a taste. 1268794;1441834824;thestringpuller;moar comedy gold from #bitcoinxt: 1268795;1441834824;thestringpuller;16:55 < Aquentin> if we're ever so lucky as to make use of 8gb blocks 1268796;1441834824;thestringpuller;16:56 < Aquentin> you'd think miners would love all these new potential users... 1268797;1441834828;thestringpuller;16:56 < Aquentin> instead they want price fixing lol - how dum 1268798;1441834846;mircea_popescu;potential users can go grab the mains 1268799;1441834854;mircea_popescu;help reduce carbon footprint with their potential. 1268800;1441834868;ascii_field;'whaddayamean the butcher wants to sell the meat, think how many flies he could get' 1268801;1441834874;mircea_popescu;the mark of true potential is when the grid doesn't shake you, but you shake it. 1268802;1441834920;mircea_popescu;this is what mit does, incidentally. "potential engineers". so are you engineers ? no, but we could be. 1268803;1441834922;cazalla;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3jgsqs/a_reminder_that_this_guy_is_a_fine_citizen_and/ 1268804;1441834923;assbot;A reminder that this guy is a fine citizen and staunch defender of small-blockistan. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYJeOP ) 1268805;1441834927;mircea_popescu;my horse also, could be. 1268806;1441834967;mircea_popescu;staunch defender ? and here i thought i fucking started the whole thing. 1268807;1441834974;mircea_popescu;must read reddit more, they know from history. 1268808;1441835023;mircea_popescu;"We saw this kind of thing a quarter-century ago, when debates raged over whether commercial activity should be tolerated on the Internet. To those, for whom the World Wide Web and WiFi have always existed, such a question might seem unthinkably naive, but back then the idea of Suits playing in Propellerheads' sandbox was the stuff of epic flame wars." 1268809;1441835024;mircea_popescu;herp. 1268810;1441835035;mircea_popescu;the difference between now and then is you didn'tr have a nigger president, derps. 1268811;1441835077;mircea_popescu;"Anyone who has arrived early at a general admission event will recognize the feeling. You lay out your blanket, thus marking off a small piece of territory for yourself. The other early arrivals do the same. After a while, you start to feel as though that patch of land is yours by right. 1268812;1441835077;mircea_popescu;With time, new arrivals stand around you, generally trying not to step onto your blanket. As the beginning of the event approaches, you find yourself staring into the rather private areas of those who arrived after you, and might even feel a bit of resentment at their impertinence. 1268813;1441835077;mircea_popescu;Eventually, it is utterly hopeless. You stand and try not to lose any of your possessions as the crowd crushes in around you." 1268814;1441835083;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahaha. jesus it must suck to live in the us. 1268815;1441835090;mircea_popescu;anyway. bitcoin is not a "general admission event". 1268816;1441835168;cazalla;i always find these threads amusing tbh 1268817;1441835184;cazalla;utter waste of time, but amusing 1268818;1441835233;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267975 "energy". it's getting to where the use of a term without actual equations in the text is a macula of idiocy. 1268819;1441835233;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 13:29:24; funkenstein_: -- celestine prophecy 1268820;1441835308;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: one of my secret pleasures is to track historical patterns of linguistic theft by pseudoscience from the genuine article 1268821;1441835321;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267982 << from what i gather it's "antiquated" and "only used in jest" the same sig heil is. 1268822;1441835321;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 13:33:50; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267185 <-- I'm told the phrase is antiquated and mostly used in jest today. Perhaps interesting that the translation of "revolution" is more akin to "molting" than "spinning". 1268823;1441835338;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this is not even pseudoscience. direct equivalent to "respeto" 1268824;1441835352;mircea_popescu;it probably was "gratia" 1k years ago. 1268825;1441835358;ascii_field;aha 1268826;1441835362;ascii_field;but today it is 'energy' 1268827;1441835367;ascii_field;and it is no particular mystery why 1268828;1441835378;mircea_popescu;because science was cool 50 years ago ? 1268829;1441835402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00074659 = 20.6059 BTC [+] {3} 1268830;1441835433;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: aaaahahahaha. jesus it must suck to live in the us. << we usians are pretty much living in idiocracy. soon we'll see mass famine due to watering crops with electrolytes. 1268831;1441835449;mircea_popescu;i don't think the mexicans will allow that. 1268832;1441835453;mircea_popescu;blessfully. 1268833;1441835462;thestringpuller;one can only hope. 1268834;1441835494;mircea_popescu;[Mirrored from: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/philg/research/shame-and-war.html ] 1268835;1441835503;mircea_popescu;check it out, mit is making potential potentials! 1268836;1441835504;ascii_field;dead 1268837;1441835578;mircea_popescu;so what is the point of mit ? 1268838;1441835589;mircea_popescu;someone please explains. "mit exists so that...". fill in. 1268839;1441835593;ascii_field;who said there was a point ? 1268840;1441835598;mircea_popescu;can't even fucking keep an article made by its own employees. 1268841;1441835599;ascii_field;it is ~there~, like washington 1268842;1441835613;mircea_popescu;and then funkenstein wants to talk about "the library of alexandria". because branding. 1268843;1441835627;mircea_popescu;how many libraries of alexandria has each derpy us university destroyed each year since 1965 ? 1268844;1441835635;mircea_popescu;oh, there isn't a word for that so it isn't a thing ? or what ? 1268845;1441835637;ascii_field;everything about mit worth preserving even theoretically costs about 100 usd and is on my bookshelf. 1268846;1441835645;ascii_field;everything else - straight to the fermenter vats. 1268847;1441835646;mircea_popescu;ascii_field besides the point. 1268848;1441835727;mircea_popescu;(and since we're doing historical recovery here : the "shame and war" quote comes from churchill, but specifically - it was in a letter to walter guiness. who was assassinated in 1944. by lehi, which was a sort of jdf of the time) 1268849;1441835738;ascii_field;of course churchill 1268850;1441835739;ascii_field;who else 1268851;1441835751;*;ascii_field thought this was well-known in english world 1268852;1441835791;ascii_field;re: mit, obligatory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=531294 1268853;1441835792;assbot;It it just me who is seeing a cowardly surrender to cultural decay here? From th... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYMrxJ ) 1268854;1441835975;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvJcPToXb0 sc13nc3!!! 1268855;1441835976;assbot;Что будет если в Колу добавить ПРОПАН ? Coca Cola + propane = Mega ROCKET - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hYNaPw ) 1268856;1441836042;*;BingoBoingo pulled the trigger and ordered the TI-92 1268857;1441836064;ascii_field;happy mc68k-ing BingoBoingo 1268858;1441836067;jurov;BingoBoingo: will you fellate it? 1268859;1441836089;BingoBoingo;jurov: Unfortunately my jaw does not unhinge like a python so unlikely 1268860;1441836092;ascii_field;should've gotten the 89 if that were the plan 1268861;1441836096;ascii_field;92 is a bit wide 1268862;1441836109;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Thank you for pointing out that market opportunity. 1268863;1441836133;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: you could probably get'em even cheaper if you figured out where they are and why 1268864;1441836159;ascii_field;but unless you need 1,001 of them - no reason to 1268865;1441836161;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: I saw some lots for sale at a far sheaper per unit price. I may have to investigate 1268866;1441836225;mircea_popescu;"What creativity can there be when your medium is shit mixed with sawdust?" 1268867;1441836225;mircea_popescu;The same sort of creativity artists possess, who work with media that are idiosyncratic. 1268868;1441836231;mircea_popescu;omfg ycombinator is worse than reddit 1268869;1441836240;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i wrote this 1268870;1441836241;mircea_popescu;they should just buy it and run it togeoops nevermind. 1268871;1441836257;ascii_field;and i still insist, shit is not paint 1268872;1441836259;mircea_popescu;you wrote the quote, im discussing the response. 1268873;1441836264;ascii_field;ah 1268874;1441836265;ascii_field;lol 1268875;1441836289;mircea_popescu;"The same sort of creativity artists possess, who work with media that are idiosyncratic. It's a different mindset. I see the reddit-gen programmers talk about things on a completely meta-level. To them, MySql is the hardware. Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily. Some of them hopefully will dig down the stack and be the low-level heroes. But that should (and probably can) only be a small percentage. 1268876;1441836289;mircea_popescu;Now I guess one could argue that those sorts of heroes are what MIT is supposed to produce, but as has been mentioned, this course is not just for CS students. So the real question is, can the CS heroes of tomorrow survive an introductory course in Python? Well, consider that they have probably been modding games since 10, hacking PhP at 12, realizing at 14 they need to learn a 'real' language (C#, Ruby, Python), by 15 1268877;1441836290;mircea_popescu; I bet they've abstracted out the fact that languages are not all that important; they're just the tip of the iceberg of complexity. 1268878;1441836293;mircea_popescu;So yes, I think they will survive." 1268879;1441836312;mircea_popescu;"we have no answers and are too fat and lazy to move, so let's just agree they will be supplied for free from the ethers as we need them" 1268880;1441836323;ascii_field;lol did i even dignify that with an answer ?! 1268881;1441836387;mircea_popescu;anyway, lol at cute young alf trying so hard. 1268882;1441836392;mircea_popescu;yes lol, and it's funny. 1268883;1441836425;mircea_popescu;(btw, the lehi/jdf thing above ? nazi ally, originally. yes, that's right.) 1268884;1441836432;ascii_field;aha 1268885;1441836438;mircea_popescu;nazis lesser enemies than britain. 1268886;1441836438;trinque;"sql is the hardware" << ow, right in the youth. 1268887;1441836530;mircea_popescu;(they also blew up bernadotte. who, amusingly, is very much the character schindler's list is based on, except not named. 1268888;1441836532;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'hagana' et al set the gold standard for blowing up brits, aha 1268889;1441836553;mircea_popescu;because rather than paying dues where they are due, how about we just steal their history and pretend it's this guy's instead. he's cheaper) 1268890;1441836630;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1268891;1441836678;thestringpuller;trinque: this is how CS students are taught tho sadly. Oracle doesn't with this either. 1268892;1441836692;thestringpuller;oracle doesn't help with this* 1268893;1441836812;thestringpuller;the spam has begun! 1268894;1441836856;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268026 << to no-one's surprise. 1268895;1441836856;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 14:08:50; shinohai: http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/local/downtown-austin-vault-of-precious-metals-turns-up-/nnYS2/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/2X7WjLwJ7M 1268896;1441836996;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268048 << that much, yes. 1268897;1441836996;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 14:21:26; asciilifeform: the conflation of 'owning gold' and 'using xyz vault' is also reminiscent of the mtgox mediatronic idiocies 1268898;1441837163;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268077 << nature. for the same reason smart people have idiot kids, idiots usually have smart[er] offspring. 1268899;1441837163;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 15:11:20; shinohai: Who allows these people to reproduce? 1268900;1441837250;*;shinohai was flabbergasted these ppl are so upset over such a trivial thing. 1268901;1441837261;jurov;;;isup blockchain.com 1268902;1441837262;gribble;blockchain.com is up 1268903;1441837309;jurov;it says maxed requests 1268904;1441837328;jurov;first spam victim, as usual :) 1268905;1441837341;ascii_field;l0l, qntra linked from bci ! 1268906;1441837379;kakobrekla;where? 1268907;1441837388;ascii_field;kakobrekla: the streamer box 1268908;1441837401;ascii_field;titled 'Turns out the current crisis was predicted back in early 2013. Goess by whom.' 1268909;1441837418;ascii_field;which is a reddit page, which is a link to qntra 1268910;1441837419;kakobrekla;ah. sez reddit. 1268911;1441837439;mircea_popescu;"Is it saved in RAM anywhere or perhaps in the java?" << ironically it prolly is lol 1268912;1441837446;kakobrekla;weird, that 'news box' is usually full of _OLD_ spam 1268913;1441837479;mircea_popescu;yeah blockchain's aobut as useful as a suntime umbrella. 1268914;1441837548;kakobrekla;Invest BTC in peer-to-peer loans and get 19% APR with BTCJam.com 1268915;1441837549;kakobrekla;BTCJam < 1 minute ago 1268916;1441837556;kakobrekla;this has been on it for months 1268917;1441837586;kakobrekla;or maybe they lower the apr and make it news 1268918;1441837590;kakobrekla;dunno. 1268919;1441837968;shinohai;Now the dogecoin derps are experts in what bitcoin should be doing: http://digiconomist.net/interview-ross-nicoll 1268920;1441837968;assbot;Bitcoin Needs To Stop Talking & Start Doing - Digiconomist ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYVTqx ) 1268921;1441838050;trinque;"huge lack" << stops reading 1268922;1441838076;trinque;signs of a miswired brain 1268923;1441838855;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1268924;1441839034;BingoBoingo;TLDR; Most of Autism is caused by shitty parents http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/09/is_autism_permanent_some_children_diagnosed_with_autism_seem_to_grow_out.html 1268925;1441839035;assbot;Is autism permanent? Some children diagnosed with autism seem to grow out of the core symptoms. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYWHvJ ) 1268926;1441839263;trinque;BingoBoingo: "My son screams when anyone touches his toys." ... "So, kick his ass when he does that?" 1268927;1441839291;trinque;would not surprise me at all that a lot of this is normal misbehavior left festering like an untreated wound 1268928;1441839309;shinohai;Maybe their nest monitor went down and the kids got autism when they weren't being watched. 1268929;1441839315;BingoBoingo;trinque: Basically that and "My kid was autistic but got better when socialized 40 hours a week with people who give a fuck." 1268930;1441839333;trinque;no app for that 1268931;1441839801;BingoBoingo;TrueFax: Apps cause Autism 1268932;1441839802;cazalla;an anecdote, but parents want to label their kids autistic as adhd has been done to death 1268933;1441839918;cazalla;because, you know, earning the label requires taking your kid to the gp, to a specialist, to an expert, a support group, filling out paperwork for gov autism assistance bezzlars.. wow look at all this attention my kid is getting, must be special and therefore, so am i as a parent, please Like and subscribe 1268934;1441839938;mircea_popescu;shinohai heh 1268935;1441839954;shinohai;? 1268936;1441839974;mircea_popescu;"the dogecoin derps are experts in what bitcoin should be doing" 1268937;1441839999;mircea_popescu;"we're very butthurt at how bitcoin excluded us. it should not do that. we're important. and the place we left to failed." 1268938;1441840017;cazalla;Always Unique, Totally Interesting, Sometimes Mysterious 1268939;1441840058;mircea_popescu;"Always Unique, Totally Interesting, Sometimes Mysterious" << about 1/4 of all retarded housewife profiles. 1268940;1441840070;mircea_popescu;"i'm 30 and my life is over now because i can't be arsed to learn any skills" 1268941;1441840073;mircea_popescu;!up rektimus 1268942;1441840226;shinohai;Ah yes. And naturally they must prove their superiority by some means. 1268943;1441840323;shinohai;I have a never-ending supply of butthurt-bandaids. ( ::: [ ] ::: ) 1268944;1441840342;mircea_popescu;should be ( ::: [x] ::: ) 1268945;1441840375;mircea_popescu;if you liked the above bandaid please like and subscribe to the thread! 1268946;1441840441;shinohai;lol 1268947;1441840454;shinohai;have an upvote ^ 1268948;1441840529;BingoBoingo;I thought for true butthurt you needed [=========]~~~~~~ tampons instead to apply pressure to the bleeding. WTF is a bandaid going to do? 1268949;1441840559;BingoBoingo;Wait, is that a tampon or a pipe bomb 1268950;1441840723;shinohai;looks like jizz escaping a fleshlight to me 1268951;1441840920;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2896 << From Baltimore 1268952;1441840922;assbot;JL: Labor Day in Harm City ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUZ8kA ) 1268953;1441841393;mircea_popescu;!up Londe 1268954;1441841446;mircea_popescu;"We are all now well aware that the authorities will do absolutely nothing to protect citizens or businesses and will dedicated %100 of their resources to protecting the police and government personnel and facilities." 1268955;1441841447;mircea_popescu;doh. 1268956;1441841479;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnfbhdELQLA 1268957;1441841480;assbot;Seinfeld clip George fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JV0Q5H ) 1268958;1441841605;mircea_popescu;meh wrong clip. 1268959;1441841625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00073709 = 23.7343 BTC [-] {3} 1268960;1441841635;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuP9YClyPRY 1268961;1441841636;assbot;The Best of George Costanza - The Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JV1m3A ) 1268962;1441841681;mircea_popescu;GEORGE (voice is hoarse from screaming): I...was trying to lead the way. We needed a leader! Someone to lead the way to safety. 1268963;1441841681;mircea_popescu;ROBIN: But you yelled "get out of my way"! 1268964;1441841681;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Because! Because, as the leader...if I die...then all hope is lost! Who would lead? The clown? Instead of castigating me, you should all be thanking me. What kind of a topsy-turvy world do we live in, where heroes are cast as villains? Brave men as cowards? 1268965;1441841681;mircea_popescu;ROBIN: But I saw you push the women and children out of the way in a mad panic! I saw you knock them down! And when you ran out, you left everyone behind! 1268966;1441841684;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Seemingly. Seemingly, to the untrained eye, I can fully understand how you got that impression. What looked like pushing...what looked like knocking down...was a safety precaution! In a fire, you stay close to the ground, am I right? And when I ran out that door, I was not leaving anyone behind! Oh, quite the contrary! I risked my life making sure that exit was clear. Any other questions? 1268967;1441841689;mircea_popescu;FIREMAN: How do you live with yourself? 1268968;1441841691;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Its not easy. 1268969;1441841868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.0007411 = 33.4607 BTC [+] {5} 1268970;1441842147;*;shinohai didn't know mircea_popescu enjoyed Seinfeld . 1268971;1441842213;mircea_popescu;it's about 90% of all us tv i watched, by volume. 1268972;1441842241;shinohai;Probably the only show I ever bothered to actually purchase. 1268973;1441842246;mircea_popescu;"On the eve of what may likely be another effort by the white liberal media to fan the flames of race war in Baltimore, Im not seeing as much flammable human material as the media priesthood would have us believe. Surely there will be enough entitled racist foot soldiers to set another 154 fires at least, to empty another four dozen pharmacies and liquor stores, terrorizing more of their fellow blacks than anyone. 1268974;1441842246;mircea_popescu;What I do not see are locals ready to engage in such activity." 1268975;1441842255;mircea_popescu;lol poor lafond, he could be in rhodesia and not know the difference. 1268976;1441842278;mircea_popescu;no locals engaging ? of course no locals. don't worry abut it, usg will ship foreign armed thugs across the border for as long as it takes you to kill it. 1268977;1441842304;BingoBoingo;How quickly He turned from potential interesting read to anthropological case study. 1268978;1441842348;mircea_popescu;guy's a boxer. what do you want from him. either he gets a master or flails around helplessly, not like he's going to you know, concentrate really hard and attain enlightment. 1268979;1441842373;mircea_popescu;but anyways. he does get the point about how there's no thieves and police, but unsanctioned criminals and sanctioned criminals. 1268980;1441842549;BingoBoingo;Yeah. One of the few tolerable US reads. One of the very few east coast ones. 1268981;1441842644;mircea_popescu;"My commitment to the American people is both simple and straightforward: I will cook any and every number that needs to be cooked. Well see continued job growth, probably an unemployment rate under 2 percent. You also have my word that Ill keep the LFPR above 66 percent. With a little help from my friends, we can probably run a surplus within a year or so, and pay down all our debt over the next decade or so. No 1268982;1441842645;mircea_popescu;thing we cant do with a little moxie and an Excel spreadsheet or two. (Jeb! that 4% growth rate youre pining for? Call me.) 1268983;1441842645;mircea_popescu;Lets get serious here if you think the government is cooking all manner of economic releases, you need to explain the LFPR." 1268984;1441842650;mircea_popescu;lmao check out ritholtz. 1268985;1441842662;mircea_popescu;"we are lying through our teeth and if yo usay this you gotta explain our crankbait" 1268986;1441842672;mircea_popescu;derp. you don't control the narrative. i control the narrative. get fucked. 1268987;1441842844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00074816 = 15.861 BTC [+] 1268988;1441842882;shinohai;Heh: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNhFJjGcMPqpuYfxL62VVB9528NXqDNMFXiqN5bgFYiZ1/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html 1268989;1441842883;assbot;HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the distributed, permanent web ... ( http://bit.ly/1L30w9d ) 1268990;1441842929;asciilifeform;l0l embrace & extinguish of xanadu ! 1268991;1441842934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, re blackholing : did you also get a lot of socket error 113s ? 1268992;1441842957;asciilifeform;no route to host ? 1268993;1441842959;asciilifeform;plenty 1268994;1441843018;mircea_popescu;aha. 1268995;1441843043;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to be much pattern to it tho. 1268996;1441843050;asciilifeform;lemme guess, mircea_popescu's node drifting in space 1268997;1441843055;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268123 << pretty much goes without saying, how else ? 1268998;1441843055;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 17:05:30; jurov: and of! course! it uses same random pattern for every block 1268999;1441843064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope, not yet. still doing ~600 blocks/hr 1269000;1441843070;asciilifeform;neato 1269001;1441843075;mircea_popescu;tho maybe on the more 500 side of 600. 1269002;1441843151;shinohai;I am getting some socket recv error 110 1269003;1441843191;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268184 <<< this because you never looked at it seriously ? 1269004;1441843191;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 17:44:48; punkman: ascii_field, I wouldn't think fake capacity numbers are a problem, but yeah I guess you gotta write $x GB of data to it that can't be compressed away 1269005;1441843219;BingoBoingo;!up Birdman 1269006;1441843222;mircea_popescu;oh shit, 2.2k linmes today . no wonder the log seemed endless. 1269007;1441843241;mircea_popescu;yo Birdman everyone's looking for you like the 2nd coming in eulora on account of those recipes. 1269008;1441843282;Birdman;Ah, i'd been inactive as there wasnt anything i could do until i get my bank roll up 1269009;1441843312;mircea_popescu;talk to danielpbarron or diana or something 1269010;1441843501;BingoBoingo;Look who returns, the whale clubber http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/#comment-54127 1269011;1441843503;assbot;Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1L31LVP ) 1269012;1441843533;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1269003 << even here we have the fake cn drives, in all form factors even, from doctored thumb drive to hollow laptop ssd containing lead weights and sd reader, etc 1269013;1441843533;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 23:59:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268184 <<< this because you never looked at it seriously ? 1269014;1441843549;asciilifeform;even from american retail shops 1269015;1441843559;asciilifeform;e.g., 'best buy' 1269016;1441843578;asciilifeform;and no, you will not read about it in the birdcage liner or the fishwrap, because It Never Happened 1269017;1441843753;asciilifeform;iirc the shop boss claimed that 'someone returned the package with this fake re-shrinkwrapped into it' 1269018;1441843828;mircea_popescu;aha 1269019;1441843942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00074843 = 18.5236 BTC [+] {3} 1269020;1441844069;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269012 <<< I actually got one of these abt a year ago, a thumb drive with a couple of cheap bolts hot-glued to the case. 1269021;1441844069;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 00:05:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1269003 << even here we have the fake cn drives, in all form factors even, from doctored thumb drive to hollow laptop ssd containing lead weights and sd reader, etc 1269022;1441844089;*;BingoBoingo wonder what interest there would be for physical media containing a WoT attested Blockchain shipped. Rates roughly 0.3 BTC for the media and shipping prices 4 BTC to 400 BTC depending on where the media needs shipped 1269023;1441844136;BingoBoingo;Expensive shipping, because simplest chain of custody is WoT member hand delivers 1269024;1441844140;asciilifeform;shinohai et al: i keep waiting for that magical day when these fakes become something like the real thing in the sense of having an embedded wireless nic, silently storing blocks in 'cloud' somewhere 1269025;1441844152;asciilifeform;it'll be quite like a real drive, but slower, cheaper 1269026;1441844186;asciilifeform;as i understand this presently exists as a deliberately-crafted commercial product, used in cameras. but picture if it were picked up by cn artisans of flimflam 1269027;1441844223;asciilifeform;it will be quite the ideal nsatron 1269028;1441844257;asciilifeform;perhaps even sold openly: 'buy this bottomless drive!' 1269029;1441844271;shinohai;Remember cn already has the usb chargers that call home 1269030;1441844294;asciilifeform;shinohai: i keep looking for this, because it'd make a glorious esp8266 substitute 1269031;1441844303;asciilifeform;but somehow they only ever get sold to folks who aren't me 1269032;1441844307;asciilifeform;ditto the famous teapot 1269033;1441844371;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 4 BTC to 400 for shipping ?! what do you intend to use, ballistic rocket ? 1269034;1441844371;shinohai;Should I stumble upon an example I will gladly hip it to you. 1269035;1441844376;shinohai;*ship 1269036;1441844396;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: 4 BTC to 400 for shipping ?! what do you intend to use, ballistic rocket ? << Self + vehicles 1269037;1441844423;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what is the purpose of this? i mean, you can transmit a pgp sig and post the disk 1269038;1441844425;BingoBoingo;Minimum could probably go lower for exceedingly local deliveries 1269039;1441844453;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Purpose is anyone who doesn't want to mess with wires at all. 1269040;1441844477;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: l0l! what would this fella use for a node ? gurlz with pencils ? 1269041;1441844477;shinohai;!s EK-928-C 1269042;1441844478;assbot;0 results for 'EK-928-C' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=EK-928-C 1269043;1441844488;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe? 1269044;1441844507;BingoBoingo;Price is kinda to filter out people who wouldn't use girls with pencils 1269045;1441844513;asciilifeform;at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. 1269046;1441844533;asciilifeform;the thing is supposed to sync itself, that is part and parcel of how bitcoin is meant to work. 1269047;1441844547;asciilifeform;every full node is rightfully a walk through all of history 1269048;1441844568;asciilifeform;if it isn't, it is rather like merely an expensive sort of 'sybil' 1269049;1441844576;asciilifeform;kinda like what gavin&hearn make. 1269050;1441844692;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unrelated but useful for you, http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tiintro/tiintro.htm 1269051;1441844693;assbot;TI-92 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L340sr ) 1269052;1441844720;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 'equation solver' is actually half of why people bought the thing 1269053;1441844722;*;shinohai salivates like Pavlov's dog ... 1269054;1441844723;BingoBoingo; at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. << Other reason for oppresive minimum cost 1269055;1441844740;asciilifeform;shinohai: didja have one of these as a boy ? 1269056;1441844745;BingoBoingo;Equation solver was why I got TI-89 in HS 1269057;1441844763;shinohai;I didn't unfortunately :( 1269058;1441844782;asciilifeform;btw these humble machines were superior to pc in a certain respect - greek symbols on kbd ! 1269059;1441844792;asciilifeform;(via a meta key, sure. but worked seamlessly!) 1269060;1441844821;asciilifeform;greek appeared on the early lisp machine keyboards, as well 1269061;1441844829;asciilifeform;i regard it as the mark of a thinking man's computer 1269062;1441844846;asciilifeform;who the fuck wants to type the word 'lambda' ?! 1269063;1441844852;asciilifeform;or 'delta' 1269064;1441844858;shinohai;This is what I had: http://www.oldcomputers.net/trs80pc1.html 1269065;1441844859;assbot;Radio Shack TRS-80 Pocket Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI4LYC ) 1269066;1441844888;asciilifeform;shinohai: some folks even today do crypto on these 1269067;1441844897;shinohai;srsly? 1269068;1441844899;asciilifeform;aha. 1269069;1441844918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00073621 = 9.902 BTC [-] {5} 1269070;1441844990;shinohai;Found a decent ti-89 for ~$200. 1269071;1441844996;asciilifeform;http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tiprog/tiprog.htm << even the asinine 'basic' of these things beats just about anything given to pc novices now 1269072;1441844997;assbot;Programing with the TI-92 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI4ULw ) 1269073;1441845002;shinohai;Welp my poor ass won't be getting one anytime soon. 1269074;1441845008;asciilifeform;shinohai: if you're not a schoolboy, avoid the 89. 1269075;1441845017;asciilifeform;it is ~identical~ to the 92 but has no qwerty 1269076;1441845025;asciilifeform;92 is ~25 usd surplus. 1269077;1441845032;shinohai;O.o 1269078;1441845066;asciilifeform;believe or not, they let u.s. schoolchildren use '89' on exams. 1269079;1441845071;asciilifeform;but not 92. 1269080;1441845103;asciilifeform;somehow, automagically doing most of symbolic manipulations through sophomore uni maths or so, is a-ok, but oh noez, keyboard could be used to... what? 1269081;1441845110;asciilifeform;save questions from exam for crib sheet? 1269082;1441845116;asciilifeform;it never made sense to me. 1269083;1441845158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can. 1269084;1441845162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15806 @ 0.00073555 = 11.6261 BTC [-] {2} 1269085;1441845184;asciilifeform;complete with the 3d grapher thing 1269086;1441845219;shinohai;I must have one. 1269087;1441845223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00073456 = 8.7001 BTC [-] 1269088;1441845261;mircea_popescu; perhaps even sold openly: 'buy this bottomless drive!' <<< "unmetered badwitdh!!1" 1269089;1441845263;asciilifeform;e.g., http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tigraph/IMG00042.GIF 1269090;1441845264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5cSB ) 1269091;1441845291;asciilifeform;http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/ticalc/IMG00013.GIF << maximi 1269092;1441845291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5dWK ) 1269093;1441845307;asciilifeform;http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/ticalc/IMG00009.GIF << double integral. 1269094;1441845308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5gBW ) 1269095;1441845313;asciilifeform;etc. 1269096;1441845313;mircea_popescu; at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. << so guy wants to meet a guy with girls and pencils. 1269097;1441845316;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can. << Seriously on the AP Calculus test machine and knowing how to use it was THE trump card. 1269098;1441845331;BingoBoingo; at the risk of repeating myself, shipping blockchains is sad. << so guy wants to meet a guy with girls and pencils. << mircea_popescu gets it 1269099;1441845355;BingoBoingo;Or person paying premium to see what someone else's blockchain looks like 1269100;1441845371;BingoBoingo;Perhaps to compare stored forklets 1269101;1441845395;asciilifeform;it's like cutting somebody open to count their tree rings or sumthing. 1269102;1441845422;BingoBoingo;Everything has a price. Even the bad ideas. Someone has to present the possibility to them. 1269103;1441845449;asciilifeform;http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tialg/IMG00049.GIF << lim. 1269104;1441845469;asciilifeform;http://web.alfredstate.edu/quagliato/ti92/tialg/IMG00044.GIF << compositor of functions. 1269105;1441845470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UI5lp7 ) 1269106;1441845474;asciilifeform;i'll leave it there. 1269107;1441845485;asciilifeform;who really desperately wants this, can download emulator 1269108;1441845487;asciilifeform;it exists. 1269109;1441845518;asciilifeform;(if you need the rom, ask me) 1269110;1441845553;asciilifeform;i have a: 1269111;1441845560;asciilifeform;Dec 25 2000 TI92.ROM 1269112;1441845568;asciilifeform;sha512:9924f6921f3fcfd9069a79bfb5f49336789a0cf798cabc26660e4d0129d0708cfd32e6960367b5ebc5f34475d24940d244e1f15c752d1f6c9990f10380038873 1269113;1441845604;asciilifeform;it is EXACTLY 1MB. 1269114;1441845621;asciilifeform;impressive, what they fit in there, no ? 1269115;1441845772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00074082 = 12.0383 BTC [+] 1269116;1441845808;shinohai;May I obtain this rom asciilifeform ? 1269117;1441845813;asciilifeform;interestingly, ti is (or at least was) one of the most tightfistedly-drm-besotten hardware makers; to the point that PEOPLE GANGED UP AND FACTORED THEIR RSA KEY - http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/145/145273.html 1269118;1441845825;asciilifeform;back when it was nontrivial 1269119;1441845851;shinohai;jeez 2009 1269120;1441845971;asciilifeform;shinohai: your key is not self-signed 1269121;1441846000;asciilifeform;gpg: 73708B0E: There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user 1269122;1441846000;asciilifeform;pub 2048R/73708B0E 2015-01-21 shinohai 1269123;1441846000;asciilifeform; Primary key fingerprint: FDF6 3798 C83A 7B13 75F7 2468 E335 8571 3E18 4252 1269124;1441846000;asciilifeform; Subkey fingerprint: 7B0D 6C5D D3C6 46DE EB0D F73D B4A0 4553 7370 8B0E 1269125;1441846070;shinohai;my bad 1269126;1441846093;mod6; please consider updating therealbitcoin www to include the actually usable version thereof ? << The only reason I'm holdin' back here is we don't have a certified release as of yet. Will consider putting up v0.5.4-TEST2 1269127;1441846240;asciilifeform;shinohai: i sent it to your email addr 1269128;1441846257;asciilifeform;shinohai: i guess hitler can decrypt it also, and use the rom. 1269129;1441846260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00073451 = 6.5739 BTC [-] {3} 1269130;1441846271;asciilifeform;shinohai: please consider using a civilized pgp key in the future 1269131;1441846340;shinohai;I should make a new key, since I discovered keybase was a waste of time. 1269132;1441846659;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You could do far worse than picking up a TI-92 and some dice 1269133;1441846830;shinohai;true 1269134;1441846968;asciilifeform;mod6: i was recently in a slightly awkward situation of explaining therealbitcoin to an intelligent n00b, but not able to recommend anything hosted at therealbitcoin.org for actual use 1269135;1441846973;asciilifeform;mod6: hence why i asked. 1269136;1441847065;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu even has rel2-beta going on an actual battlefield box. but he's a brave fella, and has fallbacks 1269137;1441847118;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-09-2015#1264281 1269138;1441847118;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 20:42:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator. 1269139;1441847158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^ which head did you press to ? 1269140;1441847318;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: hence why i asked. << it's been on my mind lately. thanks for prodding me. 1269141;1441847377;BingoBoingo;Gawker Media being dicks to legit working men https://archive.is/4ulHC 1269142;1441847378;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L38zmn ) 1269143;1441847780;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lulzy. i'm slightly surprised the thing sold at all other than to a junkyard 1269144;1441847907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00073775 = 13.8328 BTC [+] 1269145;1441847977;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not really. It is hard to get a road worthy title on the things 1269146;1441847983;BingoBoingo;Even when they run 1269147;1441848040;BingoBoingo;And the military hummer has a certain stotting value the Ford "King Ranch" doesn't 1269148;1441848163;BingoBoingo;$12,000-$15,000 also fits the sweet spot for "toy" vehicles. Less than people pay for a boat and more than they can sell it for. 1269149;1441848273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00073435 = 7.6372 BTC [-] 1269150;1441848734;BingoBoingo;Not quite something I can qntra an article about myself http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ashley-richards-animal-crush-video-conviction/ 1269151;1441848735;assbot;Texas woman convicted of producing 'animal crush' porn films ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3b4Fi ) 1269152;1441848822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00073367 = 8.4372 BTC [-] {3} 1269153;1441849604;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3k7pxl/fun_project_make_a_smart_contract_that_pays_out/cuvwbbk 1269154;1441849605;assbot;peoplma comments on Fun project: make a smart contract that pays out if # of BIP101 blocks stays under a threshold. Possible on BTC if we had OP_CAT & OP_CLTV! ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3cHmu ) 1269155;1441849672;shinohai;ISP "obliterated" 1269156;1441849676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2617 @ 0.00073612 = 1.9264 BTC [+] 1269157;1441849819;BingoBoingo;shinohai: My hometown made a FTTH project a few years ago, obliterated themselves and the other ISPs by installing the big laser backwards 1269158;1441850042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12941 @ 0.00074692 = 9.6659 BTC [+] {2} 1269159;1441850099;shinohai;top kek 1269160;1441850135;BingoBoingo;Took out both other ISPs for the better part of a day, killed the laser too. 1269161;1441850144;mike_c;asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/bssAWaw.png phuctor not accepting submissions? 1269162;1441850144;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYf9t6 ) 1269163;1441850175;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: ^ which head did you press to ? << wait theres multiple ?! 1269164;1441850178;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Phuctor is down, moving hosts 1269165;1441850184;mike_c;ah, thanks 1269166;1441850250;BingoBoingo;Hopefully Phuctor is back up by November 1269167;1441850403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha it takes a destionation dir name and a patch name (called in this case 'head'). applies sequence up through and including head. 1269168;1441850509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch 1269169;1441850544;asciilifeform;srsly ?! 1269170;1441850552;asciilifeform;iirc that's not even rel1 ! 1269171;1441850583;asciilifeform;in fact that would leave dns invocation in 1269172;1441850589;asciilifeform;and prevent a functioning stator, period. 1269173;1441850606;*;mircea_popescu looks 1269174;1441850608;asciilifeform;and certainly will not build in rotor. 1269175;1441850629;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << sequence displayed here is current. 1269176;1441850630;assbot;[BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq ) 1269177;1441850749;mircea_popescu;bitcoin < asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch < asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke_2d219fdd1a0da960be38797566e9c0820df11ce6.patch < asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation_6ed529e594301a791fb2f8becbe344dd2de9c45f.patch < asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds_a367b89765d0b82ce2c7f8043f52006399a1e0b8.patch < asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud_ebf527ba3b180b1952c4c8b5af990c1fd61e04da.patc 1269178;1441850750;mircea_popescu;h < asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing_691f046b0a66c2c80deecd8df0b42d11665b0396.patch < asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch 1269179;1441850805;asciilifeform;this is not a 'v' build... 1269180;1441850833;mircea_popescu;hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing 1269181;1441850853;asciilifeform;it won't even function. lacks the db locks correction 1269182;1441850867;asciilifeform;unless you went and put that in by hand. 1269183;1441850871;mircea_popescu;it functions somehow. mebbe in in the wrong box 1269184;1441850872;*;mircea_popescu will sort this out later. 1269185;1441851933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00074717 = 17.7154 BTC [+] 1269186;1441852137;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1269187;1441852139;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.61, Best ask: 239.64, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 239.6, 24 hour volume: 14022.04967604, 24 hour low: 238.38, 24 hour high: 245.57, 24 hour vwap: None 1269188;1441854063;*;BingoBoingo though after last night believes FYIAD may become a standard #b-a retorn to hearnianites 1269189;1441854107;BingoBoingo;We hoard wealth, are conservative as hell, and eat idiots 1269190;1441854180;pete_dushenski;didn't dragons fight men noticably more heroic than the power ranger derp brigade ? 1269191;1441854244;BingoBoingo;And far less if you read up on Komodo dragon kills in WWII 1269192;1441854251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.0007518 = 10.9387 BTC [+] 1269193;1441854284;pete_dushenski;weapon of japanese army ? 1269194;1441854332;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, hazard of fighting where the big danger isn't the explicit enemy 1269195;1441854340;BingoBoingo;For both sides 1269196;1441854374;pete_dushenski;biological landmines essentially 1269197;1441854410;BingoBoingo;Only in the sense that the predator in Predator II was a landmine for Danny GLover and the drug gangs 1269198;1441854428;pete_dushenski;never seen a predator movie, but can imagine 1269199;1441854432;BingoBoingo;Not a weapon, a more capble discounted enemy. 1269200;1441854451;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Predator II is actually one of the classics of its time 1269201;1441854617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00075184 = 15.2248 BTC [+] {3} 1269202;1441854784;pete_dushenski;http://www.wsj.com/articles/japans-gangsters-find-extortion-no-longer-pays-forcing-yakuza-split-1441773870 1269203;1441854785;assbot;Japan’s Biggest Mob Group Splits Under Money, Police Pressure - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFxjm3 ) 1269204;1441854795;pete_dushenski;sorry if re-post 1269205;1441854798;pete_dushenski;still logging up 1269206;1441854850;pete_dushenski;"The Yamaguchi-gumi still boasts some 23,000 core and associate members, around 44% of all yakuza in Japan, according to police estimates. But membership has been shrinking along with an overall decline in yakuza groups, and Mr. Shinoda’s control has grown shakier. “The prolonged economic stagnation steadily chipped away at the yakuza’s financial clout,” " 1269207;1441855163;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269147 << it's really quite bad ass, the hummer. assuming the heater worked, i'd pick one up for $15k 1269208;1441855163;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 01:20:40; BingoBoingo: And the military hummer has a certain stotting value the Ford "King Ranch" doesn't 1269209;1441855194;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: How does the heater not work in a way that wouldn't be cheap to fix? 1269210;1441855233;pete_dushenski;i have nfi what parts on a hummer'd cost 1269211;1441855237;BingoBoingo;It's just an extension of the engine's cooling system 1269212;1441855262;BingoBoingo;Parts roughly would cost one or two unlicensable or untitleable examples at most 1269213;1441855266;pete_dushenski;probably somewhere between monte carlo and maybach, but where, i know not 1269214;1441855286;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: which could be thousands. 1269215;1441855300;pete_dushenski;or double-digit percentage of purchase price 1269216;1441855310;BingoBoingo;Well, probably would cost somewhere between a Chevy monte carlo's breakpads and a maybach quarter panel 1269217;1441855319;pete_dushenski;lol sure 1269218;1441855336;pete_dushenski;$150 - $15k 1269219;1441855344;BingoBoingo;But for a car person pete_dushenski it sounds like you need friends in lower places. 1269220;1441855372;BingoBoingo;Fuck, a roadworthy chevy monte carlo can be had for $500 1269221;1441855429;pete_dushenski;while in general this is most certainly true that i could use more lowerly placed contacts, i'm in no need of classic mercedes help 1269222;1441855458;pete_dushenski;i have what i need and more isn't hard to find 1269223;1441855471;pete_dushenski;but expensive to maintain any contacts if you don't need them 1269224;1441855511;pete_dushenski;solid web browser logs 1269225;1441855635;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268238 << would be far more interesting if their website could be navigated. like at all. 1269226;1441855635;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 18:48:51; punkman: http://archillect.com/ 1269227;1441855683;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, the best band for buck autocontacts I know are the demolition derby crowd. They know the parts and cars that fail. 1269228;1441855804;pete_dushenski;;;google alberta demolition derby 1269229;1441855804;gribble;Alberta demolition derby 09 - YouTube: ; 30th Annual Lions Demolition Derby - Rocky Mountain House, Alberta: ; Wembley Demolition Derby: 1269230;1441855839;pete_dushenski;"The Wembley Demolition Derby is Proud to announce our 10th Anual Demolition Derby which is taking place on September 12th, 2015 at 11:00 a.m until 6:00 p.m." 1269231;1441855843;pete_dushenski;Anual ! 1269232;1441855862;pete_dushenski;definitely lower placed 1269233;1441855887;BingoBoingo;Nah, They've got cultural standards to conform to. 1269234;1441855961;pete_dushenski;oh sweet, webley alberta is only a 5 hour drive away 1269235;1441855974;pete_dushenski;*wembley 1269236;1441856081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11503 @ 0.00075194 = 8.6496 BTC [+] 1269237;1441856203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17033 @ 0.0007512 = 12.7952 BTC [-] 1269238;1441856370;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Every year I've got a combine (as in the farm equipment) and car demolition derby on back to back days hundreds of feet aways 1269239;1441856433;pete_dushenski;and do you go ? 1269240;1441856475;BingoBoingo;some years, usually if I go for the big tractors 1269241;1441856508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00075201 = 13.7994 BTC [+] {2} 1269242;1441856787;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268355 << complete with ALWAYS-ON MICROPHONE. awesome. 1269243;1441856787;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 19:28:28; trinque: but we made a new iPhone 1269244;1441856814;pete_dushenski;apple's equivalent of 'hello google' or whatever that motorola had last year 1269245;1441856856;pete_dushenski;so yes, hanging out with girls and their iphone 6s' is a liability. welcome to the future. 1269246;1441857082;mircea_popescu;it's for in case they get raped. 1269247;1441857144;pete_dushenski;or if a guy says "hey cutie" 1269248;1441857154;pete_dushenski;gotta capture the moment 1269249;1441857159;pete_dushenski;share on social medias 1269250;1441857163;pete_dushenski;for popularity 1269251;1441857325;mircea_popescu;guys still do that ? 1269252;1441857369;pete_dushenski;now BingoBoingo has me looking as muscly old off-roaders. and this is too, too sharp in red http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-G-Class-5-Doors-/262036024935?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d02906e67&item=262036024935 1269253;1441857373;assbot;Mercedes Benz G Class 5 Doors | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1iyeBAf ) 1269254;1441857388;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: for sure. 1269255;1441857390;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Isn't it? 1269256;1441857410;pete_dushenski;big time. 1269257;1441857484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31607 @ 0.00075335 = 23.8111 BTC [+] {4} 1269258;1441857595;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Since I missed my last fiat window I've been looking also at the basic Chevy Blazer ZR-2, cheap 2 door beasts 1269259;1441857614;BingoBoingo;Take out the back bench and there's a solid looking living area 1269260;1441857633;pete_dushenski;aha, the rollover kings those things 1269261;1441857686;BingoBoingo;Hard to beat the Ford exploder for rollover champion, but the early 70's GTO pony car is a serious competitor 1269262;1441857722;BingoBoingo;It is an enginering balance though. Attack angle versus rollover potential 1269263;1441857807;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: you'd love the f-150 raptor 1269264;1441857841;BingoBoingo;And fret the expense of every scratch versus having expendable machines plural at the ready? 1269265;1441857874;BingoBoingo;Raptor is also rather wide and long for an off roader 1269266;1441857964;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1269267;1441857965;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 238.98, Best ask: 239.04, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 238.98, 24 hour volume: 13735.96112931, 24 hour low: 238.38, 24 hour high: 245.57, 24 hour vwap: None 1269268;1441858094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32599 @ 0.00075003 = 24.4502 BTC [-] {2} 1269269;1441858174;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ka7ic/bitcoin_is_not_visa/cuwcz3y << why the fuck is reddit so racist ? 1269270;1441858175;assbot;StubNuts comments on Bitcoin is not Visa. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlidMT ) 1269271;1441858216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00074955 = 20.1629 BTC [-] 1269272;1441858595;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: btw that piece was invictus, not br 1269273;1441858604;mircea_popescu;? 1269274;1441858762;ben_vulpes;the numbers-fudging piece 1269275;1441858792;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269269 << Because, they see you rolling, they hating 1269276;1441858792;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 04:09:34; mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ka7ic/bitcoin_is_not_visa/cuwcz3y << why the fuck is reddit so racist ? 1269277;1441859016;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: that recent piece isn't half bad 1269278;1441859192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00074955 = 11.0184 BTC [-] 1269279;1441859206;pete_dushenski;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k8uez/youth_are_the_killer_app_of_bitcoin/ << "After many failed attempts at convincing friends/family/co-workers that Bitcoin is beneficial, one of my Minecraft server players asked me about it. I decided to send over $10 worth on Circle just so he could experience it first-hand. I didn't expect much, since he's young he might not understand even some basic financial c 1269280;1441859208;assbot;Youth are the 'killer app' of Bitcoin. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFCLp4 ) 1269281;1441859208;pete_dushenski;oncepts. I was shocked that within 30 minutes of sending, he was already linking bank acounts to Circle and signing up for multiple sites such as purse.io" 1269282;1441859224;pete_dushenski;i loled at this one 1269283;1441859245;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269052 << i routinely aced ME tests simply by virtue of knowing basic linear algebra transformations and how to solve sets of equations with the calculator. 1269284;1441859245;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 00:25:20; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'equation solver' is actually half of why people bought the thing 1269285;1441859288;ben_vulpes;despite having nominally progressed through the *exact same curriculum*, my 'peers' never mastered this 'one simple trick'. 1269286;1441859375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00075508 = 2.0765 BTC [+] 1269287;1441859386;ben_vulpes;i too had an 89 1269288;1441859394;ben_vulpes;and the misfortune of replacing it with the 89 'titanium' 1269289;1441859409;ben_vulpes;which 'featured' perceptible delays between keypress and screen render. 1269290;1441859427;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlJkec-CQRM << bitcoinica 'taint' analysis 1269291;1441859428;assbot;Bitcoinica Theft with unusual transaction to Theymos - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LljvHO ) 1269292;1441859446;trinque;speaking of which, asciilifeform could you provide a hash of some sort for your derive.exe ? 1269293;1441859537;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i seem to be to only one here who used ti-83 1269294;1441859546;pete_dushenski;83 not an american thing ? 1269295;1441859597;ben_vulpes;oh no i had one in middle school 1269296;1441859609;ben_vulpes;quite adequate, rather nifty 1269297;1441859634;pete_dushenski;aha. 1269298;1441859642;pete_dushenski;we used 83 up to grade 12 1269299;1441859660;ben_vulpes;and probably worked...just fine! 1269300;1441859674;pete_dushenski;university was 'fits in head' 1269301;1441859674;asciilifeform;trinque: i signed it! see log 1269302;1441859712;ben_vulpes;where did you top out in maths, pete_dushenski? 1269303;1441859734;pete_dushenski;entry-level calc 1269304;1441859736;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the '83' was actually mandatory at the school i went to. but normally the warde^H^H^H^teacher wouldn't notice if you had something vaguely shaped like '83' 1269305;1441859754;ben_vulpes;did your stats as well? 1269306;1441859770;asciilifeform;aha 1269307;1441859781;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: yup. part of 'med school' path i once walked along 1269308;1441859800;asciilifeform;i think all the ti widgets had stats 1269309;1441859824;pete_dushenski;maybe i misunderstood 'stats'... 1269310;1441859841;pete_dushenski;thought ben_vulpes was referring to uni course 1269311;1441859846;ben_vulpes;^^ 1269312;1441859851;ben_vulpes;whence the fork, pete_dushenski? 1269313;1441859868;BingoBoingo; and the misfortune of replacing it with the 89 'titanium' << I made this mistake in college. Sold my 'titanium' at a loss 1269314;1441859912;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: 3rd year. after i didn't get in off waiting list for med school in ireland that year, i never reapplied. 1269315;1441859929;*;BingoBoingo spent two weeks of dishwashing checks on ti-89 senior year for the AP calc test 1269316;1441859942;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/derive.zip.sig 1269317;1441859943;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFDHK6 ) 1269318;1441859972;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: didn't have the grades to stay in canada, decided to make most of opportunities closer to home. not entirely 'for girl' but in no small part was this the consideration. 1269319;1441860001;trinque;asciilifeform: interesting; I found another one on some math uni site 1269320;1441860017;mircea_popescu; pete_dushenski: the '83' was actually mandatory at the school i went to. << i never had a calculator in school. of any kind. 1269321;1441860018;asciilifeform;trinque: there are several versions floating around, including v6 for winblowz 1269322;1441860021;mircea_popescu;couldn't be bothered to 1269323;1441860041;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Big problem with F-150 'raptor' is it is too wide and long. Off road demands oppisite virtues of penis 1269324;1441860045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the funny part is ~why~ they were required 1269325;1441860053;mircea_popescu;whyssat ? 1269326;1441860065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they actually tried to force the kidz to memorize key sequences for various statistical ops 1269327;1441860070;mircea_popescu;oh ffs 1269328;1441860073;asciilifeform;aha. 1269329;1441860081;mircea_popescu;see, school i went to took the exact opposite path. 1269330;1441860081;asciilifeform;hey, if microshit excel can be a class 1269331;1441860089;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: unless 'off-road' is baja dunes, then same. 1269332;1441860090;BingoBoingo; pete_dushenski: the '83' was actually mandatory at the school i went to. << i never had a calculator in school. of any kind. << I college math calculators became verboten 1269333;1441860100;mircea_popescu;we were doing the cantor proof in 10th grade. what's the use of a calculator for that ? 1269334;1441860105;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Or just inclines and rocks in general 1269335;1441860115;mircea_popescu;math anal was like 40% fundaments of math. 1269336;1441860121;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the funnier part still is that the childrenz cooperated eagerly, because you could play 'tetris' and 'dope wars' on the thing 1269337;1441860134;mircea_popescu;i still dunno who drew up that zany curr, but i loved it. prolly gavra. 1269338;1441860151;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: snake ! 1269339;1441860201;mircea_popescu;oh chgeck im out, he's the prodean now! 1269340;1441860227;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269148 << at 2x stella's cost, i'd get one 1269341;1441860227;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 01:22:43; BingoBoingo: $12,000-$15,000 also fits the sweet spot for "toy" vehicles. Less than people pay for a boat and more than they can sell it for. 1269342;1441860229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00074953 = 18.2136 BTC [-] {2} 1269343;1441860257;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: one day someone will explain to me the point of buying a $megabuck machine to sit in traffic jam in. 1269344;1441860274;asciilifeform;does mazerati idle more luxuriously at the red light than ford pinto ? 1269345;1441860278;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the ti game, snake ;) 1269346;1441860284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if there's black chicks working the street next to you they'll look at you ? 1269347;1441860289;ben_vulpes;"baby we need a military hum-v" 1269348;1441860296;ben_vulpes;"think of how many babies we can put in it!" 1269349;1441860299;BingoBoingo; does mazerati idle more luxuriously at the red light than ford pinto ? << Moar cylinders, smoother idle #truefax 1269350;1441860310;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well that's your problem for living in congestion hell. 1269351;1441860323;ben_vulpes;not much i can explain to a man sinking into quicksand about the joys of hard land. 1269352;1441860339;mircea_popescu;some people build roads to have where to park, some people build roads to have where to drive. #truefax! 1269353;1441860351;BingoBoingo;^^ 1269354;1441860354;pete_dushenski;http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/cantorth.htm << for those, like yours truly, ignorant of 'cantor proof' mentioned by mircea_popescu 1269355;1441860355;assbot;Georg Cantor, Cantor's Theorem and Its Proof ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFE736 ) 1269356;1441860359;ben_vulpes;("it's only like 2 vintage sports cars!") 1269357;1441860398;BingoBoingo;Oh shit I now own #truefax 1269358;1441860414;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269157 << shut. up. 1269359;1441860414;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 01:50:19; BingoBoingo: shinohai: My hometown made a FTTH project a few years ago, obliterated themselves and the other ISPs by installing the big laser backwards 1269360;1441860433;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski or from the days before logs : http://trilema.com/2013/squares-do-morals-a-porno/#footnote_9_49613 1269361;1441860434;assbot;Squares do Morals. A Porno. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFEdI3 ) 1269362;1441860461;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: No seriously at the time the local FTTH gig, the cable co, and the phone co all rented the same inbound fiber line. 1269363;1441860501;BingoBoingo;Now just cable co and phone co share line. FTTH had to get bigger line 1269364;1441860505;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: hehehe 1269365;1441860522;ben_vulpes;jesus shit 1269366;1441860525;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Also phone co still has microwave tower as a fallback 1269367;1441860562;ben_vulpes;well that's nuts. 1269368;1441860573;BingoBoingo;But people using microwave over serious distance make it too expansive to put mere phone calls on it 1269369;1441860592;BingoBoingo;Welcome to middle west reality ben_vulpes 1269370;1441860597;ben_vulpes;expansive or expensive? 1269371;1441860605;BingoBoingo;both 1269372;1441860611;ben_vulpes;beam, cost 1269373;1441860628;BingoBoingo;All 1269374;1441860674;ben_vulpes;you and alf with the gawdawful quality-of-life, i swear... 1269375;1441860696;asciilifeform;hey not everybody is rich 1269376;1441860701;ben_vulpes;what rich?! 1269377;1441860707;asciilifeform;that rich. 1269378;1441860712;ben_vulpes;right parents. 1269379;1441860715;ben_vulpes;right geography. 1269380;1441860729;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Hometown may have congested pipes, but has open roads 1269381;1441860748;ben_vulpes;i drove from my office to the heart of downtown in ten minutes today in the middle of rush hour 1269382;1441860754;ben_vulpes;what about those roads isn't open 1269383;1441860820;mircea_popescu;so im seeing some maybe interesting errors. 1269384;1441860835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ?? 1269385;1441860843;mircea_popescu;1sec, im prepping. 1269386;1441860846;*;asciilifeform was about to sleep but will stay awake for this 1269387;1441860852;ben_vulpes;argh and google maps has nuked the "type anything and get directions function" 1269388;1441860866;ben_vulpes;(a 2.4 mile drive, i must point out) 1269389;1441861022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00074953 = 16.1149 BTC [-] 1269390;1441861032;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://punix-os.blogspot.com/2012/03/first-time-real-calc.html << possibly of interest to you 1269391;1441861033;assbot;Punix OS: First time real calc! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFEZom ) 1269392;1441861050;*;ben_vulpes tenterhooks 1269393;1441861067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ~20 mins 1269394;1441861094;mircea_popescu;i was about to sleep also 1269395;1441861221;*;ben_vulpes resigns self to logs 1269396;1441861305;BingoBoingo;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--b58Fer1BZw/VaSGOESUfOI/AAAAAAAAMEk/PrTJbNzHTqk/s400/8cd3631ac0567459431880c72a5a9ccb192ec65f8f57e8afa6c39565d7db6ab9_1.jpg 1269397;1441861306;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UIngvO ) 1269398;1441861434;asciilifeform;http://cdn.omg-facts.com/2013/2/7/36a5cd01a61e425274ac73c3726e0151.jpg 1269399;1441861436;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UInoLZ ) 1269400;1441861510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00074953 = 7.1205 BTC [-] 1269401;1441861517;*;asciilifeform to bed 1269402;1441861754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15607 @ 0.00074922 = 11.6931 BTC [-] {2} 1269403;1441861815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00074589 = 12.1155 BTC [-] 1269404;1441862024;mircea_popescu;SigOpCount out of bounds : 4219 occurences ; nonstandard tx types : 99695 occurences. 1269405;1441862033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're still around 1269406;1441862149;mircea_popescu;44821 nonstandard txout ; 54874 nonstandard txin 1269407;1441862248;mircea_popescu;also getting spammed with unsolicited old blocks. about 2k/hour or so. all in the 200k range. 1269408;1441862311;mircea_popescu;(this in particular is a very clever ddos vehicle for the bitcoin tx relay network, because the inept implementation generates a lot of such spurious nonsense anyway) 1269409;1441863472;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3k8mmx/so_im_running_out_of_space_on_my_home_directory/ << meanwhile at the lolfarms. 1269410;1441863474;assbot;So I'm running out of space on my home directory and the btc blockchain is like 50Gb, How do I move it to another drive? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OepfIs ) 1269411;1441864011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28887 @ 0.00074502 = 21.5214 BTC [-] {3} 1269412;1441864378;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-09/national-facial-recognition-system/6761266 "It keeps Australians safe.." 1269413;1441864379;assbot;Facial recognition: Privacy advocates raise concern over 'creepy' system Government says will enhance national security - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeqzeH ) 1269414;1441864593;mircea_popescu;"safe". 1269415;1441865292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31945 @ 0.00073883 = 23.6019 BTC [-] {3} 1269416;1441865414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00075303 = 11.0695 BTC [+] 1269417;1441865536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4402 @ 0.00075424 = 3.3202 BTC [+] 1269418;1441865722;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269012 << I guess I don't buy enough SSDs (and/or the local vendors are not fucktards). I've never chanced upon usb flash or sd card with fake capacity though. 1269419;1441865722;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 00:05:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1269003 << even here we have the fake cn drives, in all form factors even, from doctored thumb drive to hollow laptop ssd containing lead weights and sd reader, etc 1269420;1441865963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11745 @ 0.00073391 = 8.6198 BTC [-] 1269421;1441866512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.0007523 = 24.7883 BTC [+] {4} 1269422;1441867610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6572 @ 0.00073391 = 4.8233 BTC [-] 1269423;1441867793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24676 @ 0.00075536 = 18.6393 BTC [+] {2} 1269424;1441869562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00074376 = 16.6602 BTC [-] {2} 1269425;1441869928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00073391 = 9.4674 BTC [-] 1269426;1441870280;punkman;fwiw, the new, fixed, improved, amazing Firefox likes to crash several times a day on me. 1269427;1441870280;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1269428;1441870722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41122 @ 0.00073391 = 30.1798 BTC [-] {2} 1269429;1441871214;shinohai;;;ticker 1269430;1441871215;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.03, Best ask: 239.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 239.2, 24 hour volume: 13249.03512761, 24 hour low: 237.01, 24 hour high: 241.9, 24 hour vwap: None 1269431;1441871342;cazalla;punkman, lol same here, yet i click that upgrade button because want to see what's behind door xyz 1269432;1441871697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12439 @ 0.00073672 = 9.1641 BTC [+] 1269433;1441872011;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3kcwm9/take_a_step_back_xt_has_already_won/ <<< morning lulz 1269434;1441872013;assbot;Take a step back: XT has already won : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1iyAXSa ) 1269435;1441872063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00075537 = 14.5786 BTC [+] 1269436;1441873893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00075679 = 23.6118 BTC [+] {3} 1269437;1441874503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00075493 = 4.1144 BTC [-] 1269438;1441875540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18608 @ 0.00076039 = 14.1493 BTC [+] {2} 1269439;1441876983;cazalla;i guess asciilifeform didn't win the makeathon :\ http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-insurance-consensus-2015-makeathon/ 1269440;1441876984;assbot;Consensus 2015 Makeathon Winners Create Blockchain Insurance Solution ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY6xBW ) 1269441;1441877004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00076113 = 6.6218 BTC [+] 1269442;1441877248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00075677 = 5.4109 BTC [-] 1269443;1441877675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00075599 = 31.109 BTC [-] {2} 1269444;1441878837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075404 = 7.465 BTC [-] {2} 1269445;1441879749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00075113 = 5.1828 BTC [-] 1269446;1441880420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19190 @ 0.00075945 = 14.5738 BTC [+] {5} 1269447;1441880481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48167 @ 0.00076154 = 36.6811 BTC [+] {5} 1269448;1441881335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59587 @ 0.0007474 = 44.5353 BTC [-] {6} 1269449;1441882442;punkman;cazalla: seems like the winner was a deedbot 1269450;1441883470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16090 @ 0.00073431 = 11.815 BTC [-] {2} 1269451;1441885117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2043 @ 0.00073675 = 1.5052 BTC [+] 1269452;1441885151;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269288 << ah I was too late for the original 89 so this is the one I had from the get-go, but the thing still rocks. I would play with it during non-math classes, trying out all sorts of different integrals and derivations 1269453;1441885151;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 04:29:54; ben_vulpes: and the misfortune of replacing it with the 89 'titanium' 1269454;1441885471;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269326 << why I dropped out of college. In order to advance math degree, I would have had to take calc 3 with a prof that I knew from calc 2. She gave us assignments such as writing reports on what keys to press on the calculator to do whatever thing 1269455;1441885471;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 04:41:05; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they actually tried to force the kidz to memorize key sequences for various statistical ops 1269456;1441885910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00073848 = 3.3653 BTC [+] 1269457;1441886398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00073431 = 2.3865 BTC [-] 1269458;1441886581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00073431 = 5.1769 BTC [-] 1269459;1441887130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28704 @ 0.00073647 = 21.1396 BTC [+] {3} 1269460;1441887313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24626 @ 0.00073402 = 18.076 BTC [-] {3} 1269461;1441887557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6125 @ 0.00073394 = 4.4954 BTC [-] 1269462;1441887618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11125 @ 0.00073374 = 8.1629 BTC [-] {4} 1269463;1441888167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24128 @ 0.00073942 = 17.8407 BTC [+] {3} 1269464;1441888594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00074251 = 11.6945 BTC [+] 1269465;1441888929;deedbot-;[Trilema] The trade hour - http://trilema.com/2015/the-trade-hour/ 1269466;1441890424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17617 @ 0.00074951 = 13.2041 BTC [+] 1269467;1441890851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3833 @ 0.00074813 = 2.8676 BTC [-] 1269468;1441892437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15245 @ 0.00075057 = 11.4424 BTC [+] {2} 1269469;1441892559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1935 @ 0.00075807 = 1.4669 BTC [+] 1269470;1441892620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15273 @ 0.0007486 = 11.4334 BTC [-] {2} 1269471;1441893352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.0007486 = 4.7865 BTC [-] 1269472;1441896219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0007548 = 12.0768 BTC [+] 1269473;1441896707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00074639 = 15.3756 BTC [-] {4} 1269474;1441897195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0007548 = 1.887 BTC [+] 1269475;1441898598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29652 @ 0.00075693 = 22.4445 BTC [+] {3} 1269476;1441898659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2921 @ 0.00075909 = 2.2173 BTC [+] 1269477;1441898665;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269404 << got any captures ? 1269478;1441898665;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 05:13:44; mircea_popescu: SigOpCount out of bounds : 4219 occurences ; nonstandard tx types : 99695 occurences. 1269479;1441898710;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269406 << needs some 'entomological' work, yes. gotta log'em. 1269480;1441898710;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 05:15:49; mircea_popescu: 44821 nonstandard txout ; 54874 nonstandard txin 1269481;1441898864;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269408 << betcha no one would bother if this weren't one of the only two working public therealbitcoin nodes 1269482;1441898864;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 05:18:31; mircea_popescu: (this in particular is a very clever ddos vehicle for the bitcoin tx relay network, because the inept implementation generates a lot of such spurious nonsense anyway) 1269483;1441899022;asciilifeform;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/bullying-allegations-against-monash-senior-surgeon-upheld/6766046 << linked from one of the earlier items 1269484;1441899023;assbot;Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g ) 1269485;1441899025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67650 @ 0.00076187 = 51.5405 BTC [+] {6} 1269486;1441899050;asciilifeform;'"She was awful to me ... you know, just constantly being made to feel that I wasn't good enough, constantly being made to feel that I was missing things, that I was lazy, that I was stupid," she said.' << i suppose au no longer needs surgeons who are not lazy, stupid 1269487;1441899249;asciilifeform;!up analmaster 1269488;1441899269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00076261 = 22.192 BTC [+] {5} 1269489;1441899270;analmaster;yoyo 1269490;1441899326;asciilifeform;analmaster: dig up your pgp key! 1269491;1441899378;analmaster;one day my friend. how about thanksgiving break. 1269492;1441899386;analmaster;gobble gobble 1269493;1441899415;asciilifeform;l0l i thought we didn't do holidays analmaster 1269494;1441899435;analmaster;i think you are right 1269495;1441899447;analmaster;i think we might still get 2 1269496;1441899505;analmaster;im used to not getting any holidays. When i worked at mcdonalds everyone had to work 2 hours so we could stay open on thanksgiving 1269497;1441899639;asciilifeform;one day analmaster will return to his farm 1269498;1441899758;analmaster;one day when we get nuked you will all come be my farm hands 1269499;1441899794;mod6;+1 solid nick & job offer 1269500;1441899856;asciilifeform;mod6: analmaster toils with me in the minez. but he is also a mega-farmer in his off hours. 1269501;1441899892;analmaster;i almost completed the melon challenge this year. 1269502;1441899898;analmaster;To eat fresh melon every day for 60 days 1269503;1441899971;mod6;im a gardening n00b. i grew two zucchinis. my cucumber plants died. i did get 1 metric fuckton of tomatoes tho. 1269504;1441899986;mod6;had 22 plants haha. 1269505;1441900017;mod6;60 days of melons tho, that's some fortitude right there. 1269506;1441900039;analmaster;i can do it next year. i just have to stagger my planting 1269507;1441900048;analmaster;tomatoes are prolific. zucchinis even more so 1269508;1441900051;analmaster;how did u get only 2 1269509;1441900055;analmaster;squash beetles? 1269510;1441900104;mod6;apparently, "asian beetles" or something. they were fucking all over the leaves of the cukes, zucchs and rasberries. little bastards. 1269511;1441900111;analmaster;oh 1269512;1441900115;analmaster;where do u live 1269513;1441900116;analmaster;do u mean 1269514;1441900118;analmaster;jappanese beetles? 1269515;1441900137;mod6;yeah, im up near minneapolis 1269516;1441900152;analmaster;ah, u mean new syria 1269517;1441900161;mod6;yah, aha. 1269518;1441900187;analmaster;i also get raped by the japp beetles. my suggestion, every morning ( and night during peak season) take a hand heled vacuum and suck them off 1269519;1441900202;analmaster;hand hield hitler 1269520;1441900222;asciilifeform;good marketing name for a vacuum 1269521;1441900228;analmaster;lol 1269522;1441900233;mod6;not a bad idea. ima try that next year if I see 'em. year before didn't see any! 1269523;1441900243;analmaster;they are slowing taking over our country. 1269524;1441900250;asciilifeform;'dirt devil' is a snore. 'handheld hitler' is a sure winner. 1269525;1441900254;mod6;^ 1269526;1441900287;analmaster;i would buy a handheld hitler for sure. will leave no stone unturned in search for the filth. 1269527;1441900348;analmaster;the beetles just left my back yard a few weeks back. 1269528;1441900353;analmaster;you can cover ur plants if u have few enough 1269529;1441900391;mod6;I wanna build some potato boxes for next year too, at least, give it a try. Was going to do that this year, but ... got too busy. 1269530;1441900404;analmaster;why boxes 1269531;1441900405;analmaster;ur soil is fine 1269532;1441900409;analmaster;isnt it? 1269533;1441900428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00074671 = 5.0776 BTC [-] {3} 1269534;1441900493;analmaster;btw potatoes were my main crop this year 1269535;1441900495;analmaster;potatoes and melons 1269536;1441900534;jurov;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-reveals-plan-to-drop-thermonuclear-weapons-on-mars-to-prepare-planet-for-humans-10494346.html fuck yeah, let's assemble some nukes on orbit! 1269537;1441900534;assbot;Elon Musk reveals plan to drop thermonuclear weapons on Mars to prepare planet for humans - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXwYWj ) 1269538;1441900579;thestringpuller;analmaster: you're like a cool version of Dwight Schrute. 1269539;1441900598;analmaster;lol 1269540;1441900614;analmaster;whats that movie he was in 1269541;1441900615;analmaster;the drummer 1269542;1441900623;analmaster;as a drummer i should say 1269543;1441900633;analmaster;oh the rocker. i quite enjoyed that movie. 1269544;1441900767;mod6;<+analmaster> why boxes << oh, yeah it is im sure, but i heard that if you're short on horizontal planting space, you can do the boxes and get them to grow vertically so you can produce more in a smaller space. maybe I'm wrong though? 1269545;1441900900;analmaster;nope your right 1269546;1441900936;analmaster;its recommended you 'hill' your potatoes when they are in the ground 1269547;1441901031;mod6;ah. good to know. 1269548;1441901041;mod6;bring ur pgp key next time! :] 1269549;1441901088;analmaster;next time! 1269550;1441901109;mod6;!up analmaster 1269551;1441901139;analmaster;analbot 1269552;1441901278;jurov;beongs to #bitcoin-anal 1269553;1441901953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17860 @ 0.00074761 = 13.3523 BTC [+] 1269554;1441902380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10388 @ 0.00075563 = 7.8495 BTC [+] 1269555;1441902746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00075563 = 2.947 BTC [+] 1269556;1441902764;asciilifeform;!up analmaster 1269557;1441902868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19957 @ 0.00075689 = 15.1053 BTC [+] {2} 1269558;1441903295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1727 @ 0.00076018 = 1.3128 BTC [+] 1269559;1441903417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00076118 = 13.2826 BTC [+] {3} 1269560;1441903531;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/ << Re: proliferation of weird tx recently 1269561;1441903532;assbot;Coinwallet Turns Stress Test Into Dust Givaway | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UEv1bs ) 1269562;1441903585;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they did almost exactly this last time 1269563;1441903604;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: except then it was to brainwallets (using the classical hash algo) with words like 'password' 1269564;1441903607;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But this time they save themselves the trouble of actually broadcasting tx 1269565;1441903631;asciilifeform;but then it was also largely idiot dust collectors doing the heavy lifting 1269566;1441903636;BingoBoingo;Ah 1269567;1441903890;asciilifeform;'Tomorrows test will not occur as planned. CoinWallet.eu will not be sending a single transaction. Instead, we will be giving away over 200 Bitcoins to the community. Previous tests have involved splitting bitcoins into hundreds of thousands of tiny outputs. Now, as a gift to the community, all of the private keys that contain those outputs will be posted publicly, making the coins free for the taking. ' << l0l 1269568;1441904261;BingoBoingo;So now instead of one derp spamming transactions, many derps spam transactions 1269569;1441904618;trinque;uh so... curl script? 1269570;1441904759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00076184 = 19.1222 BTC [+] 1269571;1441905129;BingoBoingo;!up analmaster 1269572;1441905247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00076271 = 7.3983 BTC [+] {3} 1269573;1441905553;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/QpMZW << Oh look MIT technology review readers are flocking to qntra nao 1269574;1441905554;assbot;Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lmngww ) 1269575;1441905674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00075898 = 14.8381 BTC [-] {4} 1269576;1441905758;mats;isn't that because you're linking to them? 1269577;1441905780;mats;that is, its qntra readers going to technology review 1269578;1441905785;BingoBoingo;mats: No, I linked to archive.is 1269579;1441905797;BingoBoingo;of the MIT review thinger 1269580;1441905979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22140 @ 0.00074975 = 16.5995 BTC [-] {3} 1269581;1441906468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00074275 = 5.125 BTC [-] {3} 1269582;1441907025;ben_vulpes;good morning! 1269583;1441907030;BingoBoingo;morning 1269584;1441907748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1931 @ 0.00074351 = 1.4357 BTC [+] 1269585;1441907844;thestringpuller;lol the technologyreview.com hopped up on the list 1269586;1441907856;thestringpuller;zerohedge readers are still the #1 audience 1269587;1441908261;thestringpuller;For what reason or at whose behest does such poor article get published in this reputable venue? << from http://www.technologyreview.com/news/541121/allegations-of-dirty-tricks-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters/#comments 1269588;1441909112;ben_vulpes;http://daringfireball.net/2015/09/thoughts_and_observations_on_todays_hey_siri_event 1269589;1441909113;assbot;Daring Fireball: Brief Thoughts and Observations Regarding Today's 'Hey Siri' Apple Event ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZXWzo ) 1269590;1441909139;ben_vulpes;"There were around 1,500 people in the audience — but at least 1,000 were Apple employees... At WWDC (and in years past, Macworld Expo) Moscone is filled with paid ticket holders. Having that many employees in the room changes the tenor of the audience considerably — the cheering and applause were raucous." 1269591;1441909259;trinque;ben_vulpes: put the "event" on yesterday, found myself bored quickly 1269592;1441909280;trinque;Steve's dead, and they put the supply-chain bean counter in charge 1269593;1441909307;thestringpuller;Woz is off doing Woz shit. 1269594;1441909435;trinque;which lately seems to be what, squinting and giving talks? 1269595;1441909446;trinque;sitting on a few boards 1269596;1441909542;trinque;his wheels of zeus went under, and at fusion IO I think he's more of an ornament than someone driving the company 1269597;1441909562;trinque;poor guy took quite a crack on the head once upon a time, so I can't blame him 1269598;1441909912;thestringpuller;Woz just chillin' man. He retired long ago. 1269599;1441910188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00074305 = 18.0048 BTC [-] 1269600;1441910371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13979 @ 0.00074267 = 10.3818 BTC [-] 1269601;1441910615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5877 @ 0.00074281 = 4.3655 BTC [+] {3} 1269602;1441910832;mats;http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/10/dozens-intelligence-analysts-reportedly-claim-reports-on-isis-were-altered/ 1269603;1441910833;assbot;Dozens of intelligence analysts reportedly claim assessments of ISIS were altered | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1M01Jg8 ) 1269604;1441910947;mats;>According to the report, some analysts allege that reports deemed overly negative in their assessment of the Syria campaign were either blocked from reaching policymakers or sent back down the chain of command. Others claim that key elements of intelligence reports were removed, fundamentally altering their conclusions. 1269605;1441911286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19887 @ 0.0007592 = 15.0982 BTC [+] 1269606;1441911530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00074345 = 18.6234 BTC [-] {4} 1269607;1441911558;trinque;mats: looking like this will be quite a war, when it rips loose 1269608;1441911640;trinque;there's a case to be made here that the US has (with the Saudis and Turks) created a monster; I wonder if someone such as Putin will address that. 1269609;1441911684;trinque;he seems to be hinting at it with his "international coalition against terrorism" rhetoric, whatever he called it 1269610;1441911930;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 came home to find lappy stolen, need copies of our previous experiments. 1269611;1441911931;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269612;1441911963;shinohai;Also nice article BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/ 1269613;1441911964;assbot;Coinwallet Turns Stress Test Into Dust Givaway | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UEv1bs ) 1269614;1441912018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00074167 = 4.6725 BTC [-] 1269615;1441912393;jurov;Putin wants to keep their naval bases, fights anyone who isn't Bashir Assad without distinction 1269616;1441912615;trinque;he does, but perhaps there is also a longer-term game to play which results in a diminished, financially crippled USA 1269617;1441912714;shinohai;http://www.ibtimes.com/al-qaeda-wants-kill-warren-buffett-bill-gates-magazine-releases-911-assassination-2090759 <<< Al Qaieda puts out hit on Bill Gates for bringing the world Windows. 1269618;1441912716;assbot;Al Qaeda Wants To Kill Warren Buffett, Bill Gates: Magazine Releases 9/11 Assassination List ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns9n62 ) 1269619;1441912722;trinque;how many more Iraq-sized (or larger) conflicts do we have in us before exhaustion? 1269620;1441912779;trinque;shinohai: lol 1269621;1441912917;shinohai;^^ 1269622;1441912992;trinque;I've amused myself with the thought that the United States has been on a mission to unite humanity (against itself). 1269623;1441913002;trinque;seems to be going marvelously 1269624;1441913665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3213 @ 0.0007592 = 2.4393 BTC [+] 1269625;1441913726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57187 @ 0.00076281 = 43.6228 BTC [+] {3} 1269626;1441913834;mod6;(15:05) <+shinohai> came home to find lappy stolen, need copies of our previous experiments. << oh no! 1269627;1441913858;mod6;just busted into your place? did they get a copy of your PGP key? 1269628;1441914214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00075912 = 22.8116 BTC [-] 1269629;1441914314;shinohai;Nope they didn't get in the library, just the little room where my routers and spare computers are. they left my pogo lol. 1269630;1441914331;thestringpuller;"what's this piece of shit computer?!?" 1269631;1441914366;shinohai;I'm sure they are in for quite a surprise when they fire it up and find it doesn't have an X server. 1269632;1441914446;trinque;wd on not losing your keys as a result 1269633;1441914470;mod6;^ 1269634;1441914540;mod6;this weekend I'll get you sorted with stuff that you need for experiments. 1269635;1441914642;shinohai;Mainly I wanted that cucumber script we tried, I was playing with it some but could have been worse. 1269636;1441915013;asciilifeform;'The stated goal of the attacks was to derail the revival of the American economy, NBC reported.' 1269637;1441915021;asciilifeform;plot of trotskyite wreckerz! (tm) (r) 1269638;1441915432;cazalla;https://twitter.com/lopp/status/642001050564698112?replies_view=true&cursor=APDW4mDZ6Ag top keks and lulz 1269639;1441915647;thestringpuller;isn't that the guy who works for the company who wants to bring FDIC to its users to scam their bitcoins 1269640;1441915675;trinque;"qntra started a useful conversation regardless of views" << l0l 1269641;1441915697;trinque;aw qntra is participating in teh consensusification 1269642;1441915700;trinque;I think not. 1269643;1441915722;trinque;as for whether tech review acknowledges it, who gives a fuck? 1269644;1441915769;trinque;also, why isn't Matonis here? The guy sounds halfway sensible. 1269645;1441915814;thestringpuller;trinque: he has his reasons. 1269646;1441915840;mod6;shinohai: yeah sure, i'll get you all setup again with cukes, rotor, V, etc. 1269647;1441915938;thestringpuller;trinque has a point. BingoBoingo cazalla you should invite Matonis to irc. He is a big Qntra fan. 1269648;1441916002;cazalla;trying to make a recruiter for the cult outta me eh thestringpuller ? people can find their own way 1269649;1441916081;shinohai;Thanx mod6. Appears to be all I lost besides an old crummy BTC wallet that only had dust in it. 1269650;1441916109;shinohai;Notes, but I believe I made backups of those somewhere. 1269651;1441916438;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269598 <<< i think i recall he wanted to chill down under, not sure if he ever went through with it 1269652;1441916438;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 18:31:52; thestringpuller: Woz just chillin' man. He retired long ago. 1269653;1441916452;trinque;woz in oz 1269654;1441916454;trinque;lol 1269655;1441916498;shinohai;kek 1269656;1441916618;trinque;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-phoenix-highway-shootings-20150910-story.html << “These are bad people trying to do harm to good people,” Col. Frank Milstead, director of the Arizona Department of Public Safety, told ABC News. 1269657;1441916619;assbot;Anxiety builds in Phoenix after another mysterious highway shooting - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1UF8Ce8 ) 1269658;1441916621;*;trinque roars with laughter 1269659;1441916638;trinque;thanks frank 1269660;1441917321;shinohai;What a quote. In other news, the sky is blue and grass is green. 1269661;1441917344;BingoBoingo; trinque has a point. BingoBoingo cazalla you should invite Matonis to irc. He is a big Qntra fan. << He know where to come. His problem if he doesn't act on it. 1269662;1441917358;trinque;man, you guys are terrible at culting 1269663;1441917425;BingoBoingo;trinque: Anyways Matonis was involved in the Vessenes Fundnation, pretty sure if he came he'd have to be ready to grovel and appologize for that personal failing of his. 1269664;1441917758;thestringpuller;^^^yea 1269665;1441917996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00074234 = 7.0893 BTC [-] 1269666;1441918057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00074801 = 11.3698 BTC [+] {2} 1269667;1441918552;BingoBoingo;!up analmaster 1269668;1441918617;thestringpuller;mega farmer returns 1269669;1441918644;BingoBoingo;Well, you know where the fertilizer comes from on that farm at least 1269670;1441918911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00075225 = 17.9788 BTC [+] {3} 1269671;1441919064;ben_vulpes;love the fertilizer, worship the peasantry 1269672;1441919094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00075924 = 9.8701 BTC [+] 1269673;1441919338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00074113 = 15.2673 BTC [-] {2} 1269674;1441919450;trinque;http://www.rt.com/news/314945-syria-help-isis-lavrov/ << inching closer still to "US made ISIS" 1269675;1441919451;assbot;US backs those who want to use terrorists against Assad – Lavrov — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrAE71 ) 1269676;1441919676;mats;everything proceeding according to plan 1269677;1441919763;mats;assad's regime and isis on the field of battle, with hopes that ru gets to enjoy afghan part 2 1269678;1441920125;trinque;maybe they die together, the US and Russia 1269679;1441920136;trinque;fitting if nothing else 1269680;1441920174;trinque;ru though seems wisely intent on playing diplomat aside our arsonist 1269681;1441920243;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/09/8875b1a5e58debc5125630a96961ac6b.jpg 1269682;1441920245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQQSpj ) 1269683;1441920320;trinque;http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-russia-saudi-syria-islamic-state-20150811-story.html 1269684;1441920321;assbot;Russia on diplomatic offensive to defeat Islamic State, end Syrian war - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQR1ZJ ) 1269685;1441921473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30220 @ 0.00074301 = 22.4538 BTC [+] {3} 1269686;1441921603;BingoBoingo;trinque: It appears a certain bot isn't on the job... 1269687;1441921616;*;trinque goes to kick it 1269688;1441921644;ButtBotButt;http://qntra.net/2015/09/former-reddit-ceo-surrenders-legal-fight-after-losing-media-outlet/ 1269689;1441921645;assbot;Former Reddit CEO Surrenders Legal Fight After Losing Media Outlet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kbulzo ) 1269690;1441921657;trinque;and yet... tcp 0 0 172.30.0.227:56649 94.125.182.252:7000 ESTABLISHED 1269691;1441921663;trinque;what in zee fuck 1269692;1441922167;mod6;;;later tell asciilifeform website updated. 1269693;1441922167;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269694;1441922965;shinohai;Nice work mod6 1269695;1441923303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7156 @ 0.00073782 = 5.2798 BTC [-] 1269696;1441923547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00074678 = 18.4828 BTC [+] {4} 1269697;1441923853;BingoBoingo;So on the local TV news apparently St Louis is going to put in a bid for 1200 syrian refugees. 1269698;1441923913;BingoBoingo;I'm fine with it if they move them into North City. The Bosnian resettlement program in South St Louis was a huge success seeing how the bonsians run that place now. 1269699;1441924027;BingoBoingo;I wonder how the new blessed orcs will get along with the established blessed orcs 1269700;1441924092;hanbot;so, folks: mircea_popescu is out of order with apparently some sort of stomach bug; hopefully he'll be able to stand tomorrow. 1269701;1441924101;cazalla;australia put in a bid for 12,000 followed up by announcement the gov wants to bomb syria even more 1269702;1441924106;BingoBoingo;Example of the established blessed orcs http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/glocks-out-teen-gets-four-years-for-bringing-gun-to/article_3aa972d4-8193-5451-8a39-82ce9263a297.html 1269703;1441924128;trinque;hanbot: sorry to hear that; wish him a speedy recovery 1269704;1441924133;BingoBoingo;"A St. Louis teen accused of telling others to "Pop Out With Y'all Glocks Out At The V Game" on social media was sentenced Friday to four years in prison for bringing a Glock to Vashon High School," 1269705;1441924155;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Hope the repair team tends to him well 1269706;1441924236;cazalla;i gues those big macs didn't go down so well! 1269707;1441924279;hanbot;i've heard he gets extra mean when sick, so prolly for the best he isn't chattin' 1269708;1441924366;ben_vulpes;;;later tell gabriel_laddel plz for to record some interactions with this magical realtime 3d system you've banged together 1269709;1441924366;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269710;1441924390;BingoBoingo;It's alright, we'll generate some logs so when he's feeling better he can still be mean 1269711;1441924483;hanbot;most excellent :) 1269712;1441924821;*;BingoBoingo wonders what the food taster was doing slacking on the job 1269713;1441924864;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269700 <<< Send him best wishes from his beloved cult. 1269714;1441924864;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 22:28:12; hanbot: so, folks: mircea_popescu is out of order with apparently some sort of stomach bug; hopefully he'll be able to stand tomorrow. 1269715;1441924910;jurov;From me too. 1269716;1441925133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00073614 = 20.5383 BTC [-] {3} 1269717;1441925143;mod6;<+shinohai> Nice work mod6 << ty 1269718;1441925214;mod6;<+trinque> hanbot: sorry to hear that; wish him a speedy recovery << yeah! send him our well-wishes. 1269719;1441925223;lobbes;hanbot: tell him to smoke some 'jazz cigarettes.' usually good medicine for stomach issues 1269720;1441925255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33012 @ 0.00074074 = 24.4533 BTC [+] 1269721;1441925346;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/nyFe8jk.jpg 1269722;1441925347;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4n0IF ) 1269723;1441925371;BingoBoingo; hanbot: tell him to smoke some 'jazz cigarettes.' usually good medicine for stomach issues << WHat if it is the other end of the stomach? That often responds better to Opium 1269724;1441925438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00074074 = 8.6667 BTC [+] 1269725;1441925457;BingoBoingo;Also, all of the lols https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000aa2f66af1d99558e44a942c2b98ad75f8aa0c68afc71457 1269726;1441925458;assbot;Bitcoin Block #373947 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4n6QA ) 1269727;1441926600;shinohai;http://kxan.com/2015/09/10/texas-man-admits-sending-military-technology-to-russia/ <<< heh I missed this. 1269728;1441926602;assbot;Texas man admits sending military technology to Russia | KXAN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1gcYEh7 ) 1269729;1441926658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.0007359 = 23.4016 BTC [-] 1269730;1441926682;trinque;unrelatedly, here is a picture of the asses of several soldiers 1269731;1441926746;shinohai;lolz 1269732;1441926762;mod6;;;later tell asciilifeform I've been testing/looking at 'v' quite a bit. Re-implementing on my own for better/full understanding (since I'm not a python guy). I'm confused about why here 'asciilifeform_and_now_we_have_eatblock.vpatch' is not listed as a descendant of mod6_fix_dumpblock_params.vpatch : http://dpaste.com/08X2Q6P.txt 1269733;1441926763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gcYYg2 ) 1269734;1441926763;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269735;1441926869;mod6;omg 1269736;1441926894;mod6;asciilifeform: im mentally retarded. nevermind. lol. 1269737;1441926923;mod6;i think i've been staring at this for too long haha. 1269738;1441926991;mod6;*sigh* 1269739;1441927155;shinohai;Take a break mod6, I am sure you deserve it. 1269740;1441927207;mod6;you know... actually, i think im still on to something here... i just didn't mean 'asciilifeform_and_now_we_have_eatblock.vpatch', ... but im going back over all of this again. the paste above & stuff was brain fart. 1269741;1441927233;shinohai;Did you get v to work w/perl ? 1269742;1441927330;mod6;ok no nevermind. i think its fine. 1269743;1441927351;mod6;yeah. well, its pretty far along. 1269744;1441927507;mod6;;;later tell asciilifeform ignore my previous message. I'm retarded. 1269745;1441927507;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269746;1441927512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00073527 = 22.7934 BTC [-] {3} 1269747;1441927538;mod6;you just can't help it, if you were born retarded. you know? 1269748;1441927755;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/XBMXJ 1269749;1441927757;assbot;Bingo Boingo on Twitter: "@lopp and seriously now go Fuck yourself long and hard @bitstein @pierre_rochard @qntra @jonmatonis @adam3us" ... ( http://bit.ly/1gd0Wgp ) 1269750;1441927781;mod6;what's all that about? 1269751;1441927859;BingoBoingo;Some asshole was calling qntra a bunch of slanderous lies beneath the gloryholious MIT Technology Review 1269752;1441927879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33909 @ 0.00074613 = 25.3005 BTC [+] {3} 1269753;1441928087;BingoBoingo;See also https://archive.is/KCSuk 1269754;1441928089;assbot;Bingo Boingo on Twitter: ".@lopp I didn't start the slander, but you can always go and Fuck yourself @jonmatonis @adam3us @Joi @qntra @techreview" ... ( http://bit.ly/1gd1BOH ) 1269755;1441928123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00073314 = 25.5866 BTC [-] {3} 1269756;1441928148;shinohai;loooool 1269757;1441928174;BingoBoingo;@BitGo engineer creator of http://statoshi.info founder of http://bitcoinsig.com find me at https://onename.com/lopp << Derp in question's bio 1269758;1441928175;assbot;Grafana ... ( http://bit.ly/1gd1LWv ) 1269759;1441928176;assbot;Bitcoin SIG ... ( http://bit.ly/1gd1McQ ) 1269760;1441928177;assbot;Jameson Lopp's blockchain ID - registered via onename.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1gd1Kli ) 1269761;1441928231;BingoBoingo;I assume on other venues he goes by 'statoshi' 1269762;1441928367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44408 @ 0.00075371 = 33.4708 BTC [+] {5} 1269763;1441928611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00073637 = 13.6965 BTC [-] 1269764;1441930041;lobbes;http://qntra.net/2015/09/former-reddit-ceo-surrenders-legal-fight-after-losing-media-outlet/ << BingoBoingo, micro-typo: 'she was order to pay the firm's legal fees' 1269765;1441930042;assbot;Former Reddit CEO Surrenders Legal Fight After Losing Media Outlet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kbulzo ) 1269766;1441930069;lobbes;I always feel like a weenie pointing out typos, but *shrug* 1269767;1441930100;BingoBoingo;ty lobbes 1269768;1441930133;BingoBoingo;I'd rather find out in channel than on the article's comments 1269769;1441930197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31596 @ 0.00073149 = 23.1122 BTC [-] {3} 1269770;1441930304;shinohai;http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/09/10/vxworks-remote-code-vulnerability/ 1269771;1441930305;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1d62I ) 1269772;1441930322;shinohai;^ Mars rover haxxable ? 1269773;1441930331;BingoBoingo;Why not? 1269774;1441930375;shinohai;"nasa.exe has encountered a problem a needs to close .... " 1269775;1441930425;lobbes;"Intel Inside ™" 1269776;1441931051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22554 @ 0.00073506 = 16.5785 BTC [+] 1269777;1441931400;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/BVlEreU.jpg 1269778;1441931400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1eCC1 ) 1269779;1441931499;shinohai;Wow this guy almost makes Gavin look genius: http://upalc.com/ 1269780;1441931500;assbot;Random Surfer | Google Boy ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1eJ0s ) 1269781;1441931722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00073626 = 14.5779 BTC [+] {3} 1269782;1441931995;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, Road House is getting a remake nao http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/148334214/ronda-rousey-road-house 1269783;1441931996;assbot;"Road House" with Ronda Rousey: Let's cast it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1fINZ ) 1269784;1441932066;shinohai;Sweet! 1269785;1441932360;lobbes;https://i.imgur.com/BVlEreU.jpg << the crocs with socks really add to it 1269786;1441932361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1eCC1 ) 1269787;1441932515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00073919 = 21.3996 BTC [+] {3} 1269788;1441932759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33662 @ 0.00073135 = 24.6187 BTC [-] {3} 1269789;1441933247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00073056 = 4.6025 BTC [-] 1269790;1441933771;BingoBoingo;lol danielpbarron https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.msg11816638#msg11816638 1269791;1441933773;assbot;Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1iGCn ) 1269792;1441934186;BingoBoingo;Havelol >> [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.0985 BTC [+] 1269793;1441934310;lobbes;I must say, the only good thing about that forum was that I found this place through it. 1269794;1441934432;BingoBoingo;Yeah, I pity the USG philipenis stuck there without hanbot to tell them how it is 1269795;1441934447;BingoBoingo;On the other hand though I value hanbot's health 1269796;1441934650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00073365 = 13.6092 BTC [+] {3} 1269797;1441934813;BingoBoingo;Gold https://archive.is/BWoLC 1269798;1441934998;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/LAipVmP 1269799;1441934999;assbot;You're a beautiful and violent word (f) - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1kgnK ) 1269800;1441935007;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/FWz9jci.jpg?1 1269801;1441935008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1khI6 ) 1269802;1441935022;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/AhHJMURh.jpg 1269803;1441935023;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1kif9 ) 1269804;1441935066;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/rZrpZBk.jpg 1269805;1441935067;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1klHU ) 1269806;1441935098;thestringpuller;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74399.0 << https://blockchain.info/address/19SuidQS9ZSU59WXyPPDpKJWyBePzxKZY7 1269807;1441935115;BingoBoingo;Why the Chicoms will win https://imgur.com/a/0K05t/noscript 1269808;1441935115;assbot;Sexy Shower Time - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1kpY7 ) 1269809;1441935138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00073048 = 1.6801 BTC [-] 1269810;1441935321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00073048 = 18.2255 BTC [-] 1269811;1441935335;BingoBoingo;http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/amazing-story-finding-homo-naledi 1269812;1441935335;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1269813;1441935335;assbot;Why This Researcher Hunted For Scientists With Chests Narrower Than 18 Centimeters | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5rywH ) 1269814;1441935347;BingoBoingo;^ The Chicoms are coming 1269815;1441935395;BingoBoingo;^ also fluffypony those are your people, your ancestors 1269816;1441935464;BingoBoingo;"Thats why Hunter, among others, had been prepping as all dedicated explorers do: crawling under her bed and contorting herself through wire hangers for reassurance... But no amount of bedroom gymnastics could prepare the team for what it would be like." 1269817;1441935565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00073017 = 17.159 BTC [-] {3} 1269818;1441935611;BingoBoingo;http://2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/67/39/075662e7f8c23ba7bbb5384d96f38695.jpg 1269819;1441935611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1l105 ) 1269820;1441935755;BingoBoingo;Fucking wikisocialism http://www.wikihow.com/Dampen-the-Enthusiasm-of-Your-Neighbors-Who-Want-to-Add-a-New-Fence 1269821;1441935756;assbot;How to Dampen the Enthusiasm of Your Neighbors Who Want to Add a New Fence ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5sh10 ) 1269822;1441936114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10163 @ 0.00073671 = 7.4872 BTC [+] 1269823;1441936602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00073973 = 34.0646 BTC [+] 1269824;1441937043;BingoBoingo;http://www.wikihow.com/Wake-up-from-the-American-Dream 1269825;1441937043;assbot;How to Wake up from the American Dream: 15 Steps (with Pictures) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5tZzb ) 1269826;1441937334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56092 @ 0.00073991 = 41.503 BTC [+] {4} 1269827;1441938310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00073554 = 23.1695 BTC [-] {2} 1269828;1441938432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29165 @ 0.00072978 = 21.284 BTC [-] {5} 1269829;1441939103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42270 @ 0.0007297 = 30.8444 BTC [-] 1269830;1441939248;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269770 << run moar usg shitware! 1269831;1441939248;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 00:11:44; shinohai: http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/09/10/vxworks-remote-code-vulnerability/ 1269832;1441939293;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 how come therealbitcoin www has the 'NOT TO BE USED IN PRODUCTION' thing on it ? 1269833;1441939294;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269834;1441939310;asciilifeform;which bitcoin, precisely, ~is~ to be used ? 1269835;1441939496;BingoBoingo; which bitcoin, precisely, ~is~ to be used ? << production==rand(Bitcoinreleases) prolly 0.3.23 1269836;1441939529;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1269837;1441939538;Vexual;heya 1269838;1441939634;Vexual;nothing left to chop alf? 1269839;1441939713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0007399 = 12.5043 BTC [+] 1269840;1441939835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00074092 = 19.1157 BTC [+] {3} 1269841;1441940001;mod6;neat, got antecedents and descendants working. 1269842;1441940024;mod6;asciilifeform: basic disclaimer. 1269843;1441940115;cazalla;how bout that weather Vexual 1269844;1441940120;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you have a 0.3 adapted to work on modern net, let's have it ? 1269845;1441940130;Vexual;oh wery wainy 1269846;1441940144;asciilifeform;mod6: notice that the enemy crap has no disclaimer - they would laugh at the very idea 1269847;1441940165;mod6;asciilifeform: at one point ben and I discussed a 'warning' or 'disclaimer' because mp asked us to put something up there iirc 1269848;1441940183;mod6;lemme find it in the b-a logs. 1269849;1441940208;cazalla;Vexual, perfect spring day down here - around 21c or so 1269850;1441940215;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: if you have a 0.3 adapted to work on modern net, let's have it ? << I don't pussling at this dilemma as well 1269851;1441940279;Vexual;aren't you supposed to be in some mine somewhere caz? 1269852;1441940331;mod6;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076953 1269853;1441940331;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 16:35:32; mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ? 1269854;1441940379;Vexual;cazalla: promoted? 1269855;1441940418;cazalla;Vexual, nah i left because of some issues with asbestos and then started a new job, but turned out $25 p/h for an 8 hour working day actually meant $25 p/h for first 8 hours, work for next 4 hours for free! (fuck 12 hour days even if it was fully paid) 1269856;1441940519;mod6;whereas v0.5.3.1 has no disclaimer contained within, TEST2 does have a bit of a warning the README.txt file. So perhaps the warning could go away. 1269857;1441940523;mod6;(on the website) 1269858;1441940563;Vexual;warning: bitcoin 1269859;1441940569;mod6;haha 1269860;1441940811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00073332 = 13.8964 BTC [-] 1269861;1441940880;BingoBoingo; warning: bitcoin << "Warning use of this software puts you at odds with every national government and all agenst of socialism" 1269862;1441941183;Vexual;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/senate-nanny-state-inquiry-begins/6766740 1269863;1441941369;pete_dushenski;"Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box -- literally -- with a controversial proposal to set up a gun "drop box" to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked." << "we also advise residents to wipe their guns clean of fingerprints and bodily fluids because we WILL be inspecting each and every firearms for evidence that may be used in any ongoing investigation" 1269864;1441941379;pete_dushenski;seriously now. 1269865;1441941397;pete_dushenski;;;nethash 1269866;1441941398;gribble;448502080.532 1269867;1441941418;cazalla;turn in ya guns pete_dushenski 1269868;1441941444;pete_dushenski;first, i'd have to be crazy enough to live in tacoma 1269869;1441941462;pete_dushenski;edmonton is all about the stabbings this last decade or so 1269870;1441941466;cazalla;speaking of guns, not far from where i grew up, old man dies, family finds lots of guns, police shocked for some reason but tell public, pls hand in guns kthx, we wont arrest u! http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/3336487/mystery-weapons-haul-baffles-lake-illawarra-police/?cs=298 pew pew 1269871;1441941469;assbot;Mystery weapons haul baffles Lake Illawarra police | Illawarra Mercury ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZ9tMm ) 1269872;1441941494;pete_dushenski;;;later tell jurov please to flush withdrawals 1269873;1441941494;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269874;1441941534;cazalla;how's life with the little one pete? 1269875;1441941535;pete_dushenski;cazalla: bizarre the way some insane children think the way the world work 1269876;1441941582;pete_dushenski;"The reason the insane can't treat the sane is that sanity is one whereas insanity is numerous and varied. Should the sane try to treat the insane, they are all proceeding towards the same goal. Should the insane try to treat the same they are all proceeding towards different goals, and necessarily their efforts will come to naught." << mp on sane v. insane 1269877;1441941604;pete_dushenski;cazalla: no complaints thus far, my man, no complaints thus far. 1269878;1441941679;pete_dushenski;eating lots of cheesecake these days 1269879;1441941694;pete_dushenski;some kinda strange coping mechanism, but who am i to argue with mother nature ? 1269880;1441941796;pete_dushenski;"Chinese tech companies reportedly hiring 'cheerleaders' to motivate programmers" << ok this is cool 1269881;1441941830;pete_dushenski;"unlike Google and Facebook, where employees must walk (or ride Segways) to company restaurants for free food, these cheerleaders will reportedly take breakfast orders from employees right at their desks." << suck it, sv. 1269882;1441941857;pete_dushenski;"internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role." 1269883;1441941974;cazalla;i can't imagine either place steers too far from the office space environment.. Corporate Accounts Payable, Baozhai speaking! Just a moment! 1269884;1441941985;pete_dushenski;https://www.facebook.com/trendinginchina/photos/pcb.603461796423974/603459879757499/?type=1&theater << photoz. (sorry for fb) 1269885;1441941986;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHYtZu ) 1269886;1441942046;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269882 << i can easily see this coming to no good 1269887;1441942046;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:24:17; pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role." 1269888;1441942072;pete_dushenski;paint the picture for us :) 1269889;1441942103;cazalla;can imagine asciilifeform sitting right there in the middle singing along http://b4by.org/img.php?a=13642 1269890;1441942161;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: general-purpose 'lord of the flies' calamity. or what, do you think the 3 gurlz can service whole battalion of grunts ? 1269891;1441942163;pete_dushenski;step 1. software firm hires boys to write code, step 2. firm hires girls to keep mood light and boys amused.... ok, y'know i see how this would just be utterly distracting now 1269892;1441942183;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: so 1:1 needed 1269893;1441942206;asciilifeform;0 is cheaper 1269894;1441942229;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: though if memory serves mircea_popescu had some choice quotes about one women being able to service many multiples of men 1269895;1441942273;asciilifeform;not impossible. merely improbable. esp. if it is not directly what they are paid for. 1269896;1441942347;cazalla;looks like coindesk had a black people only table at consensus 1269897;1441942348;cazalla;https://www.flickr.com/photos/94861732@N04/21309992191/ 1269898;1441942350;assbot;Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHYEEl ) 1269899;1441942389;pete_dushenski;cazalla: back o' the bus 1269900;1441942437;asciilifeform;back to the picture pete_dushenski asked for 1269901;1441942437;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: if strippers can be found for chinese funerals, why not paid pro hoes for software firms. doesn't seem like that huge of a leap. 1269902;1441942449;asciilifeform;with no gurlz, there is 'flat hierarchy' 1269903;1441942465;asciilifeform;all the abject schmucks are (at least notionally) equal in their misery 1269904;1441942572;pete_dushenski;!s consensus conference 1269905;1441942573;assbot;0 results for 'consensus conference' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=consensus+conference 1269906;1441942580;pete_dushenski;!s consensus 1269907;1441942581;assbot;335 results for 'consensus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=consensus 1269908;1441942599;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/business/global/titanium-fills-vital-role-for-boeing-and-russia.html?_r=0 << who said nyt never had good article. 1269909;1441942602;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHYTiL ) 1269910;1441942663;pete_dushenski;cazalla: didn't 'consensus' cost, like, thousands of dollars or some shit ? i'm just trying to wrap my head around the PLASTIC water bottles and TIN pop cans on the tables. seriously low fucking rent. 1269911;1441942685;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: iirc it was priced, to a penny, to match mircea_popescu conf 1269912;1441942691;asciilifeform;as a kind of wink 1269913;1441942702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22466 @ 0.00073947 = 16.6129 BTC [+] 1269914;1441942733;pete_dushenski;right. so then quadruply fucking inexcusable catering at 'consensus' 1269915;1441942750;asciilifeform;i can't bring myself to even read about it 1269916;1441942755;asciilifeform;mega-snore. 1269917;1441942761;cazalla;more importantly, do you think the black people paid for their own tickets or were bussed in? also https://www.flickr.com/photos/94861732@N04/21066067020/ from hackathon, bottom left "wealthy people send money to villagers where there is high demand for loans" lol 1269918;1441942762;assbot;Sample workstation at the Consensus 2015 makeathon. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHZ2CB ) 1269919;1441942781;pete_dushenski;compared and contrast, if you will, dear, log readers, with the steaks eaten at 'conference 3', as documented on trilema. 1269920;1441942787;pete_dushenski;compare* 1269921;1441942812;cazalla;you don't care for some diet snappe and reeses bars as in that pic just linked pete_dushenski ? 1269922;1441942823;pete_dushenski;with the cold sandwiches on PAPER plates at 'consensus'. 1269923;1441942881;pete_dushenski;cazalla: mega-lol! 1269924;1441942905;pete_dushenski;reading the shit those 'dreamers' scrawl... oh goodness me. 1269925;1441942947;pete_dushenski;one page : "diaspora, ethereum, groupon" 1269926;1441942960;pete_dushenski;oh lawdy lawdy lawdy 1269927;1441943243;pete_dushenski;"The comparison of actual and counterfactual development shows that the presence of mafia lowers the growth path, at the same time as murders increase sharply relative to the synthetic control. Evidence from electricity consumption and growth accounting suggest that lower GDP reflects a net loss of economic activity, due to the substitution of private capital with less productive public investment, rather than a 1269928;1441943243;pete_dushenski; mere reallocation from the official to the unofficial sector. " << in summa : obey the law and you'll all be richer ! 1269929;1441943265;pete_dushenski;^ from a study of southern italy over past 40 years 1269930;1441943278;cazalla;jesus christ, his mother couldn't even iron him a shirt https://www.flickr.com/photos/94861732@N04/20674687064/ 1269931;1441943280;assbot;Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHZqRE ) 1269932;1441943288;pete_dushenski;honestly not worth linking. pdf turd. 1269933;1441943318;pete_dushenski;cazalla: vitalik looks right at home in that wheelchair they gave him. 1269934;1441943355;pete_dushenski;actually, if his crippling mental deficiencies were physical, he'd probably spur far more 'investment' !! 1269935;1441943373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37187 @ 0.0007313 = 27.1949 BTC [-] {5} 1269936;1441943396;pete_dushenski;eth pretty stable around 0.005 btc eh 1269937;1441943410;pete_dushenski;poor anton. 1269938;1441943607;pete_dushenski;http://gregmankiw.blogspot.ca/2015/09/twelve-reasons-to-like-jebs-tax-plan.html << for the american log readers who aren't sold on trump, and yet are still magically sold on voting and the merits of representative democracy, i give you Bush the IIIrd 1269939;1441943607;assbot;Greg Mankiw's Blog: Twelve reasons to like Jeb’s tax plan ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHZEIB ) 1269940;1441943637;pete_dushenski;^summary 1269941;1441943642;pete_dushenski;full item : https://jeb2016.com/backgrounder-jeb-bushs-tax-reform-plan/ 1269942;1441943643;assbot;BACKGROUNDER: Jeb Bush’s Tax Reform Plan | Jeb 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHZIIh ) 1269943;1441943646;cazalla;heh, they really do look like wheelchairs don't they 1269944;1441943659;pete_dushenski;professor x styles 1269945;1441943776;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269856 << y'know alf's right. we're probably past the point of disclaimers, at least as far as using therealbitcoin software goes for relay nodes. 1269946;1441943777;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:01:59; mod6: whereas v0.5.3.1 has no disclaimer contained within, TEST2 does have a bit of a warning the README.txt file. So perhaps the warning could go away. 1269947;1441943877;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269592 << thus apple's new 'leasing' program. 1269948;1441943877;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 18:21:20; trinque: Steve's dead, and they put the supply-chain bean counter in charge 1269949;1441943892;asciilifeform;wai wut 1269950;1441943908;pete_dushenski;sorta inevitabile, really 1269951;1441943911;trinque;asciilifeform: don't you want a new iPhone every year? 1269952;1441943923;asciilifeform;did i miss something here 1269953;1441943933;pete_dushenski;ya, ~$30 per month ad infinitum gets you the latest greatest iphone 1269954;1441943941;asciilifeform;afaik serious iphonists already buy new units every year 1269955;1441943943;pete_dushenski;upgraded annually, like clockwork 1269956;1441943951;pete_dushenski;but now, financed ! 1269957;1441943954;pete_dushenski;by apple ! 1269958;1441943980;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: that has to be a misprint - 360 usd doesn't buy even smallest thing in apple catalogue 1269959;1441943999;pete_dushenski;it's a raw deal if my local classifieds are any indication of the resale value of 1-year-old phones. (they maintain ~95% value in this market) 1269960;1441944020;pete_dushenski;no misprint. 1269961;1441944031;pete_dushenski;you just give them the phone back after a year 1269962;1441944035;pete_dushenski;in exchange for new one 1269963;1441944063;asciilifeform;presumably new one of same type ? 1269964;1441944066;asciilifeform;then wtf is the point 1269965;1441944066;pete_dushenski;the trick being that the phone depreciates $100 - 200 per year, and crapple's charging customers twice that 1269966;1441944104;asciilifeform;i thought it depreciated to ~0 after you pop the crate 1269967;1441944119;asciilifeform;(who the hell buys a secondhand ipNohe ?!) 1269968;1441944122;pete_dushenski;then apple resells 'refurbished phones' and makes profit 1269969;1441944137;pete_dushenski;tons. huge market for used iphones 1269970;1441944161;pete_dushenski;not everyone can afford full sticker lvmh 1269971;1441944174;pete_dushenski;so, knock-offs, used, etc is the next best thing 1269972;1441944219;pete_dushenski;hell, iphone 4 (5 years old?) still bring in >$100 1269973;1441944268;pete_dushenski;plus, ppl break and lose their phones constantly, so want to replace with similar without going back to cell phone co. 1269974;1441944301;pete_dushenski;so why not save a couple benjamins using craigslist, kijiji, ebay, etc. 1269975;1441945619;pete_dushenski;ok, just checked pricing : new iphone 6s plus 128 gb is $1`289. used iphone 6 plus 128 gb is $850 here. a difference of $439. 1269976;1441945721;pete_dushenski;now if apple's 'iphone upgrade program' were available in canada, which is isn't, this phone would have to be ~cdn$50/month, seeing as usd$ pricing 'starts at $32/mo' for base iphone 6s with 32 gb and cdn-usd is 0.75. 1269977;1441945739;pete_dushenski;very back of napkin, yes, but apple comes out ahead, as you'd fully expect. 1269978;1441945768;pete_dushenski;usians are free to do their own calcs 1269979;1441945996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6439 @ 0.00072686 = 4.6803 BTC [-] 1269980;1441946606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41753 @ 0.00072703 = 30.3557 BTC [+] {2} 1269981;1441946667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4197 @ 0.00073062 = 3.0664 BTC [+] 1269982;1441947338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25268 @ 0.00072659 = 18.3595 BTC [-] {3} 1269983;1441947887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6035 @ 0.00073062 = 4.4093 BTC [+] 1269984;1441948504;pete_dushenski;!s blockr 1269985;1441948505;assbot;43 results for 'blockr' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockr 1269986;1441948691;pete_dushenski;in other news, "Britain's spy agency the GCHQ has changed its password security guidance in a new document offering sensible advice that, if followed, should harden systems and make life easier for admins and users. The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls." 1269987;1441948701;pete_dushenski;"By simplifying your organisation's approach, you can reduce the workload on users, lessen the support burden on IT departments, and combat the false sense of security that unnecessarily complex passwords can encourage." 1269988;1441948752;pete_dushenski;good grief, charlie brown. 1269989;1441948802;pete_dushenski;i honestly hope gchq follows their own recommendations. should make for some good lulz when they get pwned. 1269990;1441949351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00073275 = 17.5127 BTC [+] {3} 1269991;1441950508;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo something a little more interesting than a blazer for ya : http://bringatrailer.com/2014/10/20/lexus-v8-swapped-1988-toyota-4runner/ 1269992;1441950510;assbot;Lexus V8 Swapped: 1988 Toyota 4Runner | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4UVks ) 1269993;1441950510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00073884 = 5.1349 BTC [+] 1269994;1441950510;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1269995;1441951280;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski is up late 1269996;1441951499;deedbot-;[Qntra] Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 - http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/ 1269997;1441952430;cazalla;sheeit, another user an hero's himself http://www.bulletinleader.com/ashley-madison-pastor-commits-suicide/74435/ 1269998;1441952431;assbot;Ashley Madison pastor commits suicide » Bulletin Leader ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFkrKd ) 1269999;1441952549;pete_dushenski;deedbot-'s back ! 1270000;1441952577;pete_dushenski;;;later tell trinque wd on deedbot-, as ever. any progress with the bitbet integration ? 1270001;1441952577;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1270002;1441952607;pete_dushenski;cazalla: interesting choice to call those coindesk photos as belonging to 'dixie' 1270003;1441952629;pete_dushenski;i get that the bubbles are yours, but why no proper attribution ? say, to the flickr page ? 1270004;1441952692;punkman;"Nishimura estimated that around US$15,000 had been paid to blackmailers targeting Ashley Madison users." 1270005;1441952698;punkman;eh peanuts 1270006;1441952768;pete_dushenski;"...and smart contracts ensure the autism medicine arrives on time." << mega-lol!! 1270007;1441952780;punkman;!up Vexual 1270008;1441952825;Vexual;punkmans more adverse to a query than bulldoig 1270009;1441952836;Vexual;howzit punk? 1270010;1441952866;Vexual;willl you lay an egg if i dcc? 1270011;1441952927;punkman;heatwave's killing me 1270012;1441952942;pete_dushenski;“GoDaddy reasonably relied in good faith on the representations made by the registrants of the Accused Domains stating that the registration of those domains did not violate any third party trademark rights,” he wrote. “As a result, GoDaddy could not have used or trafficked in any of the Accused Domains with a subjective bad faith intent to profit from the AMPAS Marks until such time as GoDaddy received no 1270013;1441952942;pete_dushenski;tice by a third party of a potential issue.” 1270014;1441952943;Vexual;really? 1270015;1441952968;pete_dushenski;nice try, Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences 1270016;1441952977;cazalla;pete_dushenski, asked the rabbit, he said something 'bout face use and fuck coindesk 1270017;1441952987;cazalla;fair use even 1270018;1441953012;pete_dushenski;men lie, women lie, bunnies don't 1270019;1441953063;pete_dushenski;but seriously, that vitalik line had be lol'ing 1270020;1441953072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00073216 = 13.2887 BTC [-] 1270021;1441953150;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZu3EUVJ8-4 1270022;1441953150;assbot;Crystal Castles - Untrust Us - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ii7ZpX ) 1270023;1441953217;Vexual;i still like punk 1270024;1441953304;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269820 lol 1270025;1441953304;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 01:42:35; BingoBoingo: Fucking wikisocialism http://www.wikihow.com/Dampen-the-Enthusiasm-of-Your-Neighbors-Who-Want-to-Add-a-New-Fence 1270026;1441953319;punkman;what's this communal fence business 1270027;1441953357;cazalla;how else do you do it punkman ? 1270028;1441953383;punkman;cazalla: you want a fence, you build it and it's none of my business? 1270029;1441953398;Vexual;this 1270030;1441953438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40440 @ 0.00073216 = 29.6086 BTC [-] {2} 1270031;1441953455;cazalla;i guess that works, but knocking on ya neighbourinos door and asking if they too think it's time to replace the fence works ok (did this last year) 1270032;1441953495;cazalla;then agian, i live in the 'burbs where people at least try to make their homes presentable 1270033;1441953499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1710 @ 0.00073281 = 1.2531 BTC [+] 1270034;1441953539;Vexual;gudDmgr1H3o 1270035;1441953925;Vexual;K8KgP2aOXcA 1270036;1441953938;punkman;cazalla: guess it might make some sense if you know the guy 1270037;1441953938;pete_dushenski;!down Vexual 1270038;1441953987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18406 @ 0.00072916 = 13.4209 BTC [-] {4} 1270039;1441954048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12344 @ 0.00072647 = 8.9675 BTC [-] 1270040;1441954088;cazalla;http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-troll-20150911-gjk852.html lol bravo "Australi Witness's online actions might have had fatal real-world consequences in May. In the leadup to an exhibition in Garland, Texas, at which pictures of the Prophet Mohammed were to be displayed, "Australi Witness" tweeted the event's address and reposted a tweet urging people to go there with "weapons, bombs or wi 1270041;1441954089;assbot;FBI says 'Australian IS jihadist' is actually a Jewish American troll named Joshua Ryne Goldberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1ii9l3W ) 1270042;1441954089;cazalla;th knifes". 1270043;1441954508;punkman;https://primitivetechnology.wordpress.com/ 1270044;1441954509;assbot;| Making stuff from scratch in the wild ... ( http://bit.ly/1iia0CG ) 1270045;1441954672;pete_dushenski;re ^ : wake stan up when guy makes kalash bullets :) 1270046;1441954690;mircea_popescu;hola! 1270047;1441954702;pete_dushenski;ahoy! 1270048;1441954716;pete_dushenski;your stomach has settled ? 1270049;1441954727;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269855 guess that's the usual deal, unless you work for the gov 1270050;1441954727;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:00:18; cazalla: Vexual, nah i left because of some issues with asbestos and then started a new job, but turned out $25 p/h for an 8 hour working day actually meant $25 p/h for first 8 hours, work for next 4 hours for free! (fuck 12 hour days even if it was fully paid) 1270051;1441954741;mircea_popescu;oh man that was brutal. 1270052;1441954776;mircea_popescu;cazalla don't they have overtime where you live ? 8 x 25 + 4 x 50 = 400/day not so bad. 1270053;1441954836;cazalla;yeah, they do, but that was included.. was more like we'll pay you to work 8am-4pm but we need you to work 7am-6pm 1270054;1441954840;cazalla;was not i mean 1270055;1441954856;mircea_popescu;lol australia is that fucked huh. 1270056;1441955007;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/#comment-115298 << for the record i can attest a) that this is worth 20 iq points easyu and b) that about 50% of beatings slavegirls get in their first five years are related to failure to follow this principle / the enforcement of this principle in their head. it's worth it. 1270057;1441955008;assbot;An hero is he... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lno1pc ) 1270058;1441955390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8740 @ 0.00073281 = 6.4048 BTC [+] 1270059;1441955451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39610 @ 0.00073563 = 29.1383 BTC [+] {2} 1270060;1441956427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00072647 = 12.3137 BTC [-] 1270061;1441956488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49575 @ 0.00072637 = 36.0098 BTC [-] {3} 1270062;1441956929;pete_dushenski;http://www.oaklandzoo.org/Animal_Art_Show_2015.php 1270063;1441956930;assbot;Oakland Zoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERyFrA ) 1270064;1441959938;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc, and half the time atop fucking python and some shit. don't throw stones ye of the glass house. 1270065;1441959938;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:08:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!! 1270066;1441960026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00072604 = 17.425 BTC [-] {2} 1270067;1441960118;mircea_popescu;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/bullying-allegations-against-monash-senior-surgeon-upheld/6766046 << ahjaha jesus fucking christ this is so stupid. 1270068;1441960118;assbot;Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g ) 1270069;1441960136;mircea_popescu;who the fuck gives a shit what some inadequate "Imogen Ibbett" felt at any point ? 1270070;1441960142;deedbot-;[Trilema] The great Nedeflorena show - http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/ 1270071;1441960147;mircea_popescu;it's a surgery training program not a fucking daycare. 1270072;1441960289;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269560 << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing 1270073;1441960289;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 16:45:31; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/ << Re: proliferation of weird tx recently 1270074;1441960300;mircea_popescu;and then counting "mentions" as a proof of "success". 1270075;1441960453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.000737 = 13.6397 BTC [+] 1270076;1441960482;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269604 << lol. clearly the usg isn't fudging anything, and anyone who wants to laugh at their inept self-lying has to explain... the something numbers 1270077;1441960482;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 18:49:07; mats: >According to the report, some analysts allege that reports deemed overly negative in their assessment of the Syria campaign were either blocked from reaching policymakers or sent back down the chain of command. Others claim that key elements of intelligence reports were removed, fundamentally altering their conclusions. 1270078;1441960493;mircea_popescu;i don't recall what exactrly, ritholz has it. 1270079;1441960514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5716 @ 0.00073718 = 4.2137 BTC [+] 1270080;1441960575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00073718 = 14.5224 BTC [+] 1270081;1441960603;mircea_popescu;The report alleges that when the analysts' complaints were initially aired, some of those who complained were urged to retire, and did so. 1270082;1441960604;mircea_popescu;bwahahah. 1270083;1441960610;mircea_popescu;they went to work for metansa right alf ? 1270084;1441960690;BingoBoingo; ... << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing << Honestly this latest failure is probably the end of covering them at all. Some derpy block explorers are claiming hundreds of MB of mempool off of people pushing mega dust collection t 1270085;1441960691;BingoBoingo;x on them, but I don't see any of them even getting relayed here. Really it's like WTF they are letting other people try to clean up the mess they made in the UTXO set. 1270086;1441960709;mircea_popescu;never happened as best i can see 1270087;1441960726;jurov;;;later tell pete_dushenski done 1270088;1441960726;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1270089;1441960758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00072559 = 18.3574 BTC [-] {3} 1270090;1441960763;mircea_popescu;this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage. 1270091;1441960783;mircea_popescu;the completely warantless pretense that some sort of notable forces of the idiotards are you know, right past the horizon ready toi get into the fray 1270092;1441960795;mircea_popescu;i've called the bluff every time, it turned out to be a bluff every time. 1270093;1441960809;mircea_popescu;somehow tho i don't expect a change of strategy. kinda hard to do anything else when got nothing whatsoever.' 1270094;1441960814;BingoBoingo;Oh there's people trying to sweep those private keys, but no one relays that shit anymore. If it wasn't for the fail way they are trying to spam in reverse now, it would be like qntra covering the weather. Instead it's just another loop to make in the rope. 1270095;1441960951;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/lopp/status/642001050564698112?replies_view=true&cursor=APDW4mDZ6Ag << o hey, check you peoples out! 1270096;1441961010;mircea_popescu;jameson Lopp @lopp 17h17 hours ago 1270097;1441961010;mircea_popescu;@anarcholiberty @jonmatonis @adam3us @Joi @techreview @qntra is hateful inaccurate propaganda; their useful points are overshadowed by it. 1270098;1441961015;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is jameson lopp ? 1270099;1441961016;davout;mircea_popescu: "If you impaled it's perfect." <<< kek'd 1270100;1441961038;*;mircea_popescu waves 1270101;1441961051;BingoBoingo; who the fuck is jameson lopp ? << 'statoshi' on other forms some herpity derp creature working for BitGo, some wallet thing 1270102;1441961066;mircea_popescu;oh wait, the xt promoter dude ? 1270103;1441961072;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1270104;1441961076;BingoBoingo;One of them 1270105;1441961087;mircea_popescu;awww, it so deeply matters that guy doesn't like qntra 1270106;1441961092;mircea_popescu;i was so totally expecting he would, srsly. 1270107;1441961094;BingoBoingo;Seriousy 1270108;1441961128;*;BingoBoingo has been humming "I didn't start the slander..." to the tune of Billy Joel 1270109;1441961161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269649 << stresstesting the network eh ? 1270110;1441961161;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 20:14:41; shinohai: Thanx mod6. Appears to be all I lost besides an old crummy BTC wallet that only had dust in it. 1270111;1441961177;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos ? 1270112;1441961178;assbot;We Didn't Start the Flame War - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F0RMiH ) 1270113;1441961189;mircea_popescu;except in this case, we did. but anyway. 1270114;1441961235;BingoBoingo;I can't help it if this lopp kid want's to try his hand at slander without the strength of kakobrekla's slanderous soul of legend 1270115;1441961349;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269677 << pass the bong brother. 1270116;1441961349;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 21:16:03; mats: assad's regime and isis on the field of battle, with hopes that ru gets to enjoy afghan part 2 1270117;1441961351;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc << I think there's more than a handful that don't need to touch C at all 1270118;1441961351;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 12:08:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!! 1270119;1441961381;mircea_popescu;punkman on what, the symbolics machine ? that can't even be shipped ? 1270120;1441961382;mircea_popescu;cmon. 1270121;1441961387;punkman;on x86 1270122;1441961394;mircea_popescu;link 1270123;1441961404;punkman;http://picolisp.com/wiki/?home 1270124;1441961405;assbot;PicoLisp Wiki: home ... ( http://bit.ly/1LnvrZu ) 1270125;1441961428;punkman;" 64 bit version (written in asm)" 1270126;1441961432;mircea_popescu;o.O 1270127;1441961435;mircea_popescu;i stand impressed. 1270128;1441961446;mircea_popescu;asm lisp, srsly ? 1270129;1441961447;punkman;not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though 1270130;1441961472;mircea_popescu;There is a 32 bit version (written in C), a 64 bit version (written in asm), a 64-bit emulator as well as a Java version. 1270131;1441961476;*;mircea_popescu has doubts. 1270132;1441961703;deedbot-;[Qntra] Mark Karpelès Charged With Embezzelment in Latest MtGox Criminal Charge - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mark-karpeles-charged-with-embezzelment-in-latest-mtgox-criminal-charge/ 1270133;1441961724;BingoBoingo;Title fixed 1270134;1441961739;mircea_popescu;omfg all the nice things ppl say! no wonder i was feeling better later that same day!!1 1270135;1441961766;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1270136;1441961782;BingoBoingo;Also what happened to the food taster who is supposed to prevent these things 1270137;1441961840;mircea_popescu;sometimes i live dangerously! 1270138;1441961847;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270111 <<< how the fuck is that a "College Humour original" when it is an obvios copy of ytmnd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-DMIf-WZYU 1270139;1441961847;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 08:46:17; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos ? 1270140;1441961847;assbot;We Didn't Start This Website (YTMND) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LnvSmS ) 1270141;1441961864;mircea_popescu;cazalla i don't thinbk you understand how hot topic works. 1270142;1441961871;BingoBoingo;^ 1270143;1441961879;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is also a mit original technologee. 1270144;1441961886;mircea_popescu;im sorry, "blockchain" 1270145;1441961933;BingoBoingo;College Humor is like a level 2 welfare spammatron. A bit more polished than warrior forum, but still an IAB spam thing. 1270146;1441961954;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/nyFe8jk.jpg << what the fuck is this sutpid shit 1270147;1441961955;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4n0IF ) 1270148;1441961977;BingoBoingo;Sorry IAC 1270149;1441961978;punkman;fanplanet 1270150;1441962001;mircea_popescu;so what is it, captain plunger ? 1270151;1441962003;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's leik the new bronies 1270152;1441962033;BingoBoingo;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Minions 1270153;1441962035;assbot;Minions (Western Animation) - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lnw6Ku ) 1270154;1441962087;mircea_popescu;sandra bullock ? 1270155;1441962091;mircea_popescu;no fucking wonder i never heard of it. 1270156;1441962094;BingoBoingo;Voice acting 1270157;1441962097;BingoBoingo;But apparently 1270158;1441962100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00073718 = 14.7805 BTC [+] 1270159;1441962125;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/tx/9231f2c2f189cfda4b8e7fa0d16b16a22b9e8da04b8f542cd787116dbefaa450?show_adv=true << BIP100/Mined by haobtckds3 1270160;1441962126;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 9231f2c2f189cfda4b8e7fa0d16b16a22b9e8da04b8f542cd787116dbefaa450 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lnwfh2 ) 1270161;1441962149;BingoBoingo;It's apparently a propaganda film telling children it is ok to be fat, stupid and incompetent. Stuff works out jsut look at reddit. 1270162;1441962179;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i've said this a few times but it readily gets forgotten : coinbase fragmentation is threatening to become a rather serious problem for bitcoin eventually. 1270163;1441962190;mircea_popescu;could be a much stricter limit on scalability than the block size 1270164;1441962230;mircea_popescu;specifically : the total number of bitcoin units of account that can be circulating is 2100000000000000. 1270165;1441962247;mircea_popescu;if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent, 1270166;1441962309;mircea_popescu;the system will have to track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items. which, at say half a kb weight each, will cost exabytes to fully move 1270167;1441962442;davout;and at this point transaction fees can't exist anymore 1270168;1441962447;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1270169;1441962461;punkman;gonna need more decimal points 1270170;1441962465;mircea_popescu;there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug 1270171;1441962476;mircea_popescu;would really benefit from more discussion and modelling. 1270172;1441962505;mircea_popescu;because you know for a fact as btc will run up to 10k next, the "consumers need this improvement" thing will be lowering the spam limit. 1270173;1441962511;mircea_popescu;which itself is sensible, but wtf does it do ? 1270174;1441962551;mircea_popescu;punkman obviously there are no decimal points. nor were there ever. 1270175;1441962572;punkman;eh more, zeroes then 1270176;1441962580;BingoBoingo;Integers all the way down. 1270177;1441962586;mircea_popescu;this is oft repeatred you know "we'll just add more zeroes" 1270178;1441962590;mircea_popescu;orly ? how ? what will it do ? 1270179;1441962660;davout;scalabitchity 1270180;1441962686;jurov;lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours 1270181;1441962696;jurov;"she even made me a coffee" 1270182;1441962703;BingoBoingo;Eh, so Satoshi actually invented Bitcoin with too many units. Too much divisibility 1270183;1441962738;mircea_popescu;jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s 1270184;1441962797;punkman;"track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items" blocksize limit certainly protects against this 1270185;1441962824;davout;"will cost exabytes to fully move" <<< it's ok because moore's law 1270186;1441962888;punkman;I don't see why adding more zeros isn't possible, nontrivial sure, probably on the order of changing workfunction 1270187;1441962930;mircea_popescu;do you understand what effects it has ? 1270188;1441962952;punkman;haven't really thought about it 1270189;1441962962;mircea_popescu;exactly my point. 1270190;1441962977;mircea_popescu;collectively we've not spent nearly enough thinking about that angle. 1270191;1441963102;BingoBoingo;It may just be that the last 4 digits are there for precision and signalling. 1270192;1441963109;mircea_popescu;possible. 1270193;1441963120;mircea_popescu;currently it works with the last 5 digits pretty much being unusable other than for that. 1270194;1441963133;mircea_popescu;so hgow much can be yielded ? 1 more ? 2 ? 5 ? a full 32 ? a full 64 more ? 1270195;1441963138;punkman;on an unrelated note, I think I have a rough algorithm for dealing with V patch conflicts 1270196;1441963160;mircea_popescu;that should nbe interesting to see 1270197;1441963170;BingoBoingo;Could be we end up with 1 less 1270198;1441963186;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo think about it this way, the spam tx limit is currently worth very little. if it runs up to 10k it will be worth cents. 1270199;1441963260;BingoBoingo;I could see the spam tx limit run up to 100k and be worth dollars 1270200;1441963267;mircea_popescu;and it can not be underscored enough how that is a much larger problem than the recent block size nonsense. 1270201;1441963279;mircea_popescu;here, we discusased "potential users" and the blocks haven't been full etc 1270202;1441963285;BingoBoingo;Seriously this is the shit that needs modeled. 1270203;1441963294;mircea_popescu; there, we'll be discussing "you may not use bitcoin to transfer less than 2.8 dollars' worth" 1270204;1441963303;mircea_popescu;very hugely different sort of limitation on the usage. 1270205;1441963310;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1270206;1441963402;BingoBoingo;at $100k bitcoin we could be talking about no practical way to send less than a crisp hundred dollar bill 1270207;1441963414;mircea_popescu;at least as it is now. 1270208;1441963447;BingoBoingo;But at that point the hundred dollar bill might not be worth a loaf of bread 1270209;1441963460;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1270210;1441963489;BingoBoingo;The Wiemar USistan 1270211;1441963507;mircea_popescu;i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all. 1270212;1441963510;mircea_popescu;here, there's bitcoin 1270213;1441963517;mircea_popescu;it forces the paper and assorted fiats into stability. 1270214;1441963540;mircea_popescu;sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present. 1270215;1441963576;davout;what spam limit are you referring to? 1270216;1441963590;mircea_popescu;what was it, 20k 1270217;1441963627;mircea_popescu;5k ? 1270218;1441963716;davout;the minimum output size? 1270219;1441963721;davout;the dust thing? 1270220;1441963734;mircea_popescu;ya 1270221;1441963853;davout;it's not very clear to me how this thing works 1270222;1441963860;mircea_popescu;which thing ? 1270223;1441963930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31393 @ 0.00073424 = 23.05 BTC [-] {3} 1270224;1441963995;mircea_popescu;"Welcome to Bitcoin SIG We are a group of Mensa members who are interested in cryptocurrency and enjoy discussing the developments occurring in this space." 1270225;1441963998;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah o god. 1270226;1441964000;davout;looks like a limit based on the minimum relay fee 1270227;1441964020;davout;but that is only enforced at relay level, and by some miners 1270228;1441964029;davout;it's by no means a hard protocol limit 1270229;1441964050;mircea_popescu;davout for sure not. but it does practically worek to keep tx large enough, and more importantly, coinbases few. 1270230;1441964057;mircea_popescu;only works because btc is not too valuable atm. 1270231;1441964066;mircea_popescu;what happens when this prop is no longer available ? 1270232;1441964136;mircea_popescu;we're, at least to my eyes, in the situation where we've built something against a sleeping rhino. once it gets up and moves, what happens ? 1270233;1441964200;davout;looks to me like this highlights another aspect of the tragedy of the commons thing, because miners don't bear the full cost of a large UTXO, they have no particular incentive to give fee rebates to UTXO-consolidating transactions 1270234;1441964230;mircea_popescu;quite. 1270235;1441964247;mircea_popescu;i think for a while gentmenan-ness will prevail and the consolidaitons will be mined in preference 1270236;1441964252;mircea_popescu;but this is no sort of solution. 1270237;1441964272;mircea_popescu;ie, you'll never have that many legitimate txns that also consolidate. especially as the size opf bitcoin economy increases. 1270238;1441964285;mircea_popescu;by very definition, increased size = fragmentation of coinage. 1270239;1441964317;mircea_popescu;and i suspect the coinbase count will be, going forward, one of the most important metrics of economic health. 1270240;1441964326;mircea_popescu;sorta like replacement for gnp 1270241;1441964389;davout;you mean the spendable outputs? 1270242;1441964402;mircea_popescu;yes. 1270243;1441964418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19566 @ 0.00073718 = 14.4237 BTC [+] 1270244;1441964424;mircea_popescu;coinbase count = the number of available inputs. 1270245;1441964441;davout;ah, my definition of coinbase is a spendable output that was not created by spending another output, ie. new money 1270246;1441964450;mircea_popescu;fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn't be in a situation where input and outpuit means the same thing 1270247;1441964509;mircea_popescu;davout well that's the meaningful sense of the term when you're doing graph traversal and whatnot, cause it's where it starts. but in this context it seemed to me it'd rather mean , "clumps of satoshi available to be spent" 1270248;1441964517;davout;it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom 1270249;1441964533;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is too phalocentric. 1270250;1441964737;BingoBoingo;And now for the Latest out the the MIT Bitcoin Studies department https://i.imgur.com/TwnFjdX.png 1270251;1441964738;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nt6TEx ) 1270252;1441964941;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269853 << i'll say tho, warnings have to be specific and useful. 1270253;1441964941;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 02:58:51; assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 16:35:32; mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ? 1270254;1441964947;mircea_popescu;"be careful!" is not a warning. 1270255;1441964968;mircea_popescu;"this bear likes to fuck people ; you an tell it's horny by the red patch above its nose" IS a warning. 1270256;1441965035;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1270257;1441965036;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1P513CV.txt ) 1270258;1441965059;mircea_popescu;in this context it was specifically re chillum's protests re security practices etc. 1270259;1441965092;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269858 << lol he has it. 1270260;1441965092;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:02:43; Vexual: warning: bitcoin 1270261;1441965134;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269863 << maybe it's not obvious what "no questions asked" means. 1270262;1441965134;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:16:09; pete_dushenski: "Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box -- literally -- with a controversial proposal to set up a gun "drop box" to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked." << "we also advise residents to wipe their guns clean of fingerprints and bodily fluids because we WILL be inspecting each and every firearms for evidence that may be used in any ongoing investiga 1270263;1441965238;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269882 << but, remarkably, not really fuck. and the reason isn't some sort of misplaced propriety 1270264;1441965238;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:24:17; pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role." 1270265;1441965247;mircea_popescu;the reason is that fuck is too expensive for the man. 1270266;1441965460;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269902 << so then it's the rifht move ? 1270267;1441965460;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:34:09; asciilifeform: with no gurlz, there is 'flat hierarchy' 1270268;1441965489;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269911 lol was it ?! 1270269;1441965489;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:38:05; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc it was priced, to a penny, to match mircea_popescu conf 1270270;1441965493;*;mircea_popescu wasn't paying attention. 1270271;1441965547;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269922 << you should have seen the indian food. 1270272;1441965547;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:40:23; pete_dushenski: with the cold sandwiches on PAPER plates at 'consensus'. 1270273;1441965626;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269929 << that's rank nonsense, but the exact discussion of why and how "studies" about sicily aren't worth the paper they're printed on is too long for me now 1270274;1441965626;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:47:45; pete_dushenski: ^ from a study of southern italy over past 40 years 1270275;1441965696;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269953 << omfg they didn;'t actually just do that ?! 1270276;1441965696;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 03:58:53; pete_dushenski: ya, ~$30 per month ad infinitum gets you the latest greatest iphone 1270277;1441965749;mircea_popescu;omfg they did. ok, this is the dumbest move apple ever took, or could have taken. the only remainder value in the entire pointless entreprise was the perception of value. this is the texbook way to ruin perception of value : put them on a monthly installment, like fucking diapers. 1270278;1441965764;mircea_popescu;who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd 1270279;1441965855;mircea_popescu;tim cook is officially retarded. 1270280;1441965891;mircea_popescu;(wtf is this conflation of sales and ops going on at apple anyway) 1270281;1441965910;phf;maybe they realized that iphone is not cool anymore, and switched to milking it for quantity 1270282;1441965920;mircea_popescu;this is the wrong approach to do that. 1270283;1441965941;mircea_popescu;they lost 20bn in brand value for a few million in cash. and they have cash. 1270284;1441965951;mircea_popescu;they should be flowing things the other way around ffs. 1270285;1441965972;punkman;they want wider adoption 1270286;1441965991;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1270287;1441966006;punkman;aye 1270288;1441966018;mircea_popescu;The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls." << in other words, "password gimmicks don't work an we're back to ip bans, in a 100% reversal of the fecal consensus of 2005" 1270289;1441966078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269997 << win. it's regrettable that more "average people" aren't heroes already, srsly. 1270290;1441966078;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 06:20:30; cazalla: sheeit, another user an hero's himself http://www.bulletinleader.com/ashley-madison-pastor-commits-suicide/74435/ 1270291;1441966289;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/ << worst female knees ever omfg what is this, elephantitis ? 1270292;1441966290;assbot;Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxeBc ) 1270293;1441966309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00073718 = 12.5321 BTC [+] 1270294;1441966314;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/05.jpg how is this possible irl. 1270295;1441966315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxfoD ) 1270296;1441966377;mircea_popescu;mkay that thing was pretty sad. 1270297;1441966395;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You just don't understand how real 'Murican women look 1270298;1441966414;mircea_popescu;dude it;s impossible. 1270299;1441966419;mircea_popescu;i had to check for photochops 1270300;1441966423;mircea_popescu;what the fuck. 1270301;1441966435;mircea_popescu;her knees are bigger than her head. 1270302;1441966512;BingoBoingo;Maybe she has a condishun' like edema or arthritis. Knees aren't engineered to carry that all above above them. 1270303;1441966579;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/14.jpg <<< is that their high chancellor ? and is that a dildo or a lava lamp in the display behind his chancellorness ? 1270304;1441966580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxErd ) 1270305;1441966598;*;mircea_popescu can't readily figure out which of the two is more ridiculous. 1270306;1441966599;BingoBoingo;Why can't it be both? 1270307;1441966605;shinohai;morning, mircea_popescu feeling better today? 1270308;1441966609;mircea_popescu;i suppose lava lamp warms huh 1270309;1441966612;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah! 1270310;1441966616;BingoBoingo;It does 1270311;1441966618;shinohai;Awesum 1270312;1441966694;cazalla;oops, didnt realise i botched the image links 1270313;1441966757;shinohai;http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/ <<< #2 is priceless 1270314;1441966758;assbot;Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxeBc ) 1270315;1441966931;shinohai;Is that Butterin wearing the Steve Urkel pants for real? 1270316;1441967281;davout;cazalla: your article is incredible 1270317;1441967285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65971 @ 0.00073866 = 48.7301 BTC [+] {4} 1270318;1441967323;*;davout 's favourite is the one with gmaxwell 1270319;1441967367;cazalla;aww that might be overstating it just a tad 1270320;1441967590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.0007395 = 17.3043 BTC [+] 1270321;1441967628;davout;"$1,500 for this shit?" 1270322;1441968132;shinohai;I wonder if the jester is aware of the irony of his latest tweet today https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/642278738848292864 1270323;1441968157;shinohai;LOL deleted 1270324;1441968227;shinohai;https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/642279871624949760 1270325;1441968763;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/relationships-and-special-occasions/columns/dear-abby/teen-too-busy-with-college-ignores-dangers-of-diabetes/article_e96d42bd-f13f-5585-ab5e-318ed83c06ae.html << 19 year old Obeast with the Beetus 1270326;1441968767;assbot;Teen too busy with college ignores dangers of diabetes : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1K00BGr ) 1270327;1441968865;BingoBoingo;Eat moar corn 1270328;1441969115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31557 @ 0.0007395 = 23.3364 BTC [+] 1270329;1441969213;shinohai;Also, get off fat ass and exercise moar. 1270330;1441971555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17245 @ 0.0007395 = 12.7527 BTC [+] 1270331;1441971560;mircea_popescu;so the list of places where obama can still show up consists of... fort meade ? 1270332;1441971569;BingoBoingo;prolly 1270333;1441972173;mircea_popescu;http://finance.yahoo.com/video/bill-ackman-stocks-pretty-cheap-110400417.html 1270334;1441972176;assbot;Bill Ackman: Stocks are pretty cheap | Watch the video - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULagpt ) 1270335;1441972250;shinohai;https://www.propublica.org/article/library-support-anonymous-internet-browsing-effort-stops-after-dhs-email <<< LOL 1270336;1441972252;assbot;First Library to Support Tor Anonymous Internet Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULaooS ) 1270337;1441972836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00074042 = 5.5532 BTC [+] 1270338;1441972893;mircea_popescu;how goes PinkPosixPXE 1270339;1441973019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00074038 = 17.0287 BTC [-] 1270340;1441973202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61608 @ 0.00074062 = 45.6281 BTC [+] {3} 1270341;1441973257;mircea_popescu;"Great Job, Everyone! Bitcoiners are DDoSing Bitcoin (motherboard.vice.com)" 1270342;1441973270;mircea_popescu;except no, gavin's scamcoin is not bitcoin, and no, vice is not news. 1270343;1441973366;shinohai;lol. XT camp takes it as a sign they have already won the game obviously. 1270344;1441973406;mircea_popescu;Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of- 1270345;1441973408;assbot;The future of Bitcoin regulation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULcfKf ) 1270346;1441973408;mircea_popescu;bitcoin-regulation/#selection-107.0-107.235 1270347;1441973445;mircea_popescu;the boat's still missed. but i gotta say it's fucking hysterical to obvserve the US as a society behaves collectively exactly like every ustard individually. haughty pretense at first, desperate flailing once it's too late. 1270348;1441973455;mircea_popescu;would have been so fucking hard to submit and obey in 2013, rly. 1270349;1441973539;mircea_popescu;Deloitte to audit to BitEx.la Bitcoin exchange, the first of its kind in Argentina and possibly in the world for a market of Bitcoin << except a) it doesn't actually exist and b) all of the fucking nopes already, wtf. 1270350;1441973549;mircea_popescu;how many of these throwaway items have we seen so far. 1270351;1441973661;BingoBoingo;Seriously that noise is the hardest part about qntra 1270352;1441973683;mircea_popescu;also...http://www.malla.ee/?p=167 1270353;1441973690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11392 @ 0.0007407 = 8.4381 BTC [+] 1270354;1441973692;mircea_popescu;Website is rising up! 1270355;1441973744;mircea_popescu;as soon as they are ready, the reservation system and Bitcoin integration should be ready also. 1270356;1441973751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15713 @ 0.00074038 = 11.6336 BTC [-] 1270357;1441973754;mircea_popescu;best bitcoin troll ever. 1270358;1441973790;BingoBoingo;Oh, tortilla's place? 1270359;1441973827;punkman;still with the photoshopped facade http://www.malla.ee/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/etukuva.png 1270360;1441973829;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULcSUi ) 1270361;1441973961;mircea_popescu;ya 1270362;1441973967;shinohai;Related to mircea_popescu 's article: http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-11 1270363;1441973968;assbot;Value Of A Start Up Idea - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-09-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1KICW31 ) 1270364;1441973971;mircea_popescu;http://www.mois.ee/pic_viru/malla_tag.jpg moarlike 1270365;1441973996;shinohai;hanbot strikes again 1270366;1441974011;punkman;fluffypony: how did the castle look when you visited? 1270367;1441974020;mircea_popescu;honestly i think the decrepit reality looks muchg better than the mcmanshion candy-cane photochop 1270368;1441974032;mircea_popescu;just, not really as a hotel. pretty decent setting for a remake of diabolique tho 1270369;1441974095;phf;haunted mansion night for two, complete with victorian meal, costumed entertainment. BTC accepted 1270370;1441974130;mircea_popescu;"I listed my castle for sale. If I manage to flip now, even at a slight fiat loss, I would have gained 3x the bitcoins in a year. Decent trade, huh?" 1270371;1441974131;mircea_popescu;awww... 1270372;1441974145;mircea_popescu;and if he just sat on the silver or w/e it was... but no matter. 1270373;1441974163;mircea_popescu;phf you know they supposedly have those torture hotels in tokyo 1270374;1441974195;phf;authentic Cube experience 1270375;1441974300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19714 @ 0.00074002 = 14.5888 BTC [-] {2} 1270376;1441974342;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0TTX2CN << somebody cribbed the wrong part off b-a logs 1270377;1441974343;assbot;dpaste: 0TTX2CN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULdDgb ) 1270378;1441974354;phf;you would know better, are there "bdsm" hotels? in the style of those italian "discipline" comics, with pony waitresses and a strict madame running the place 1270379;1441974359;mircea_popescu;how can these people be that retarded srsly ? dump random txn ? that's the plan ? 1270380;1441974361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31550 @ 0.00073422 = 23.1646 BTC [-] 1270381;1441974389;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, they exist like buenos aires night life exists. 1270382;1441974406;punkman;heh 1270383;1441974415;mircea_popescu;if you're working a boring dayjob and need that fantasy to get out of bed in the morning. 1270384;1441974562;mircea_popescu;also http://upalc.com/ 1270385;1441974594;phf;with japanese salarimen from the 80s doing company retreats 1270386;1441974660;mircea_popescu;http://upalc.com/online-money.php << pretty canonical come to think of it. 1270387;1441974660;assbot;Online Money Making Strategy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULe5uH ) 1270388;1441974672;mircea_popescu;"11. Don't know a thing? No worries you are not alone, but that shouldn't stop you from blogging as it doesn't stop others, you can still make money just by blogging on topics that are interesting" 1270389;1441974767;phf;that looks like a subtle troll, like an updated version of jeff k. 1270390;1441974835;shinohai;lol I posted that link last night, such lolz 1270391;1441974847;mircea_popescu;aha 1270392;1441974851;shinohai;He argues for "intelligent design" a lot 1270393;1441974950;phf;mircea_popescu: i took your trilema recommendation to visit istanbul, this place is indeed fantastic 1270394;1441974972;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1270395;1441974985;mircea_popescu;have a shishkebap for me. 1270396;1441975032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30356 @ 0.00073073 = 22.182 BTC [-] {2} 1270397;1441975093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18544 @ 0.00072542 = 13.4522 BTC [-] {2} 1270398;1441975108;phf;plenty of that, also fresh fish. my american girl is finally convinced that there's something fundamentally wrong with u.s. food supply 1270399;1441975129;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/zfLcA20.jpg << there's something coallescing in my head here. basically, the us bet on india against china. and lost. 1270400;1441975129;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULeXiY ) 1270401;1441975160;mircea_popescu;phf do her knees look like http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/05.jpg ? 1270402;1441975161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxfoD ) 1270403;1441975175;mircea_popescu;(who the fuck told those women to wear overknee skirts, srsly now) 1270404;1441975308;phf;no, i showed her pictures from consensus though, as a reminder, she double down on her studies of turkish language 1270405;1441975324;mircea_popescu;lol 1270406;1441975337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21187 @ 0.00073169 = 15.5023 BTC [+] 1270407;1441975375;BingoBoingo;http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-marketers-only-people-still-trying-reach-i-51278 1270408;1441975376;assbot;Nation’s Marketers Only People Still Trying To Reach Inner-City Child - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULfm4Y ) 1270409;1441975572;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/C32nz << "Well, since a ton is 2000 pounds and Fat Activists tends to have their mortality increase rapidly after 500 pounds, we can conclude there are 3-6 Fat activists to the ton." 1270410;1441975573;assbot;evylllint comments on I hope this is OK because I have to get this off my chest. I'm an accountant and was hired by one of the most prominent Fat Acceptance activists. Wow. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIFoqd ) 1270411;1441975965;BingoBoingo;Champion's Towing and Recovery of Columbus Mississippi is the most persistent comment spammer I've ever seen for such a niche meatspace business. 1270412;1441976008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00073169 = 22.5361 BTC [+] 1270413;1441976045;shinohai;Can anyone here recommend a decent laptop with backlit keyboard ? 1270414;1441976179;*;mircea_popescu has thinkpads. amd inside. 1270415;1441976280;shinohai;I miss my thinkpad, trying to get a friend in Indiana to sell me one of his old ones. 1270416;1441976294;mircea_popescu;no backlit tho 1270417;1441976342;shinohai;I'll take the tradeoff, I have a soft spot for older computers. 1270418;1441976426;shinohai;Guy has fucktons of old servers and equipment. I had him look through his stash for that godsurge chip. 1270419;1441976485;mircea_popescu;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y02/03c-the-myth-of-software-engineering.html 1270420;1441976486;assbot;The Tar Pit - The myth of "software engineering" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULhslr ) 1270421;1441976743;punkman;"This isn’t to say that there aren’t large systems that can be formally specified: Bitcoin is one such example." 1270422;1441976755;punkman;what spec lol 1270423;1441977167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00073124 = 15.356 BTC [-] 1270424;1441977411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33814 @ 0.00073169 = 24.7414 BTC [+] 1270425;1441977472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00073124 = 3.6562 BTC [-] 1270426;1441978023;PinkPosixPXE;hey mircea_popescu, doing pretty good, been busy with the new job, how are you? 1270427;1441978250;asciilifeform;wb mircea_popescu 1270428;1441978385;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270064 << dear glub. sorry mircea_popescu, not even sure which part of this fiction to begin with ! 1270429;1441978385;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 08:25:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc, and half the time atop fucking python and some shit. don't throw stones ye of the glass house. 1270430;1441978405;asciilifeform;1) you will never see 'lisp on python' outside of a school classroom 1270431;1441978494;asciilifeform;2) sbcl and other adult commonlisps a) use c version for bootstrapping, which is to say, compiling self to a legit 100% self-shat executable --- but they will link with libc for unix terminal i/o, sockets, etc 1270432;1441978526;asciilifeform;b) plenty of lisps, of various descriptions, mainly but not exclusively 'scheme' implementations, written in 100% asm from the ground 1270433;1441978549;asciilifeform;e.g., the very same mulisp discussed in the 'derive.exe' thread; 'dream' (x86 and later x86_64 scheme implementation;) and others 1270434;1441978787;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270083 << l0l mircea_popescu, everybody knows (tm) that metansa would never contain something so pedestrian as a report-writer, much less one who interfaced with something as boring as a politician. it is 100% people who break rsa, devise single-transistor backdoors to plant in intel, devise 'natural disease mimicking' poisons, etc. 1270435;1441978787;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 08:36:50; mircea_popescu: they went to work for metansa right alf ? 1270436;1441978810;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/9wt61nh.jpg <<< Never forget 1270437;1441978830;asciilifeform;aha. 1270438;1441978848;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/7kDXs.jpg 1270439;1441978848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfeO5Y ) 1270440;1441978859;asciilifeform;^ my personal favourite 1270441;1441978984;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270090 << hey, it worked for killing linux! that is, it is alive, but on what, 100 boxes, and the rest happily run shituntu and subscribe to autoupdates, happily run usg binaries, etc. 1270442;1441978984;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 08:39:23; mircea_popescu: this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage. 1270443;1441978998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00073296 = 25.2505 BTC [+] {2} 1270444;1441979056;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270129 << sure you can. all you need is another common lisp ! doesn't matter from where, or running on what 1270445;1441979056;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 08:50:47; punkman: not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though 1270446;1441979068;asciilifeform;come on folks, compilation is not magic. 1270447;1441979092;asciilifeform;and 'c' is most certainly not magical. just a piss-poor macro assembler of a kind. 1270448;1441979117;punkman;asciilifeform: I just read that SBCL has 20k lines of C 1270449;1441979134;asciilifeform;punkman: sure does. mainly for building bootstrapper. but also for unix i/o 1270450;1441979138;asciilifeform;as described earlier. 1270451;1441979181;punkman;so if I want to bootstrap SBCL on say picolisp, how much of that C do I have to rewrite? 1270452;1441979190;asciilifeform;picolisp is NOT A COMMONLISP 1270453;1441979198;asciilifeform;has, for fucks sake, dynamic scope 1270454;1441979204;asciilifeform;NOT ALL LISPS ARE THE SAME 1270455;1441979218;asciilifeform;picolisp is less similar to common lisp than 'c' is to 'pascal' 1270456;1441979242;punkman;ok, on dream or mulisp or other then 1270457;1441979245;asciilifeform;ditto 1270458;1441979250;asciilifeform;'dream' is a 'scheme'; 1270459;1441979250;phf;you could target picolisp from sbcl, same way as you're right now targeting the unix to common lisp machine abstraction layer, that's written in c 1270460;1441979255;asciilifeform;mulisp is its own creature 1270461;1441979274;asciilifeform;aha phf has it. but n00bz always assume that lisps are interchangeable 1270462;1441979276;asciilifeform;they are not. 1270463;1441979327;asciilifeform;it is important to know why items such as picolisp and mulisp exist - compactness. (and to a lesser extent, 'fits in head'.) 1270464;1441979368;asciilifeform;'targeting' them as if they were c-machine arch would result in a terrific blob of unreadable shit 1270465;1441979376;asciilifeform;which will yes, run 1270466;1441979385;asciilifeform;but kinda defeats the purpose of the exercise. 1270467;1441979499;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270165 << and if every man, woman, child, dog, cat, in china, got on a stool and jumped at once... 1270468;1441979499;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:04:07; mircea_popescu: if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent, 1270469;1441979541;asciilifeform;this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ? 1270470;1441979591;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270170 << there is considerably more ugly in the fact that the actual meaning of the system IS NOT SPECIFIED because NOBODY ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT the crap does - esp. bdb, openssl, etc 1270471;1441979591;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:07:45; mircea_popescu: there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug 1270472;1441979673;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270180 << dun worry jurov, su is dead & buried and its heresies, such as installing brains in (some) chicks, are likewise fading 1270473;1441979673;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:11:26; jurov: lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours 1270474;1441979729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00073396 = 10.8993 BTC [+] 1270475;1441979740;asciilifeform;jurov: that is, you can still find one with brain installed, but it has to be naturally-occurring. which, sure, go and wait for the natural fission reactor. THERE IS ONE ! geologists found it! somewhere in africa. 1270476;1441979805;asciilifeform;then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads... 1270477;1441979854;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270183 << and in more or less the whole su colonial world 1270478;1441979854;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:12:18; mircea_popescu: jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s 1270479;1441979862;phf;my grandmother worked in my grandfather's department, designing analogue circuits, and it wasn't some contrived "women in engineering", simply something she was good enough at to get hired into "оборонка" 1270480;1441979872;asciilifeform;^ aha this was sop 1270481;1441979950;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270211 << there was gold, foreign currencies, no ? 1270482;1441979950;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:07; mircea_popescu: i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all. 1270483;1441979983;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270214 << easily, if the adult is a demented bugger goading the idiots on 1270484;1441979983;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:40; mircea_popescu: sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present. 1270485;1441980175;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270248 << win. needs to be expanded to poem 1270486;1441980175;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:41:57; davout: it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom 1270487;1441980254;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270266 << if you want your employees to fight to the death, yes, throw in the chix 1270488;1441980254;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 09:57:40; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269902 << so then it's the rifht move ? 1270489;1441980262;asciilifeform;so depends 'right move' ~for what~ 1270490;1441980382;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270278 << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. i often go into town on weekends on the train. there is literally no one too ragged, too ethnic, whatever, to be playing with apple gadget, often more than one. literally, stinking bums have'em, and had for years. 1270491;1441980382;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 10:02:44; mircea_popescu: who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd 1270492;1441980477;asciilifeform;now, what you often ~will~ see is folks, esp. females, playing with iphone ~with cracked glass~. this tells you that a) almost certainly owner got it 'via contract', which is to say as a slave collar from the telco; and b) cannot remotely afford to pay the thing's retail price to replace it 1270493;1441980513;asciilifeform;but there are folks who know how to change the glass, and it is inexpensive; hell, i did it myself for a few personal friends back in the day 1270494;1441980521;asciilifeform;~this~ is the racket apple would like to roll up 1270495;1441980521;kakobrekla;"i can show you i sleep in a shoebox in the middle of the street on my iphone" 1270496;1441980535;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: laugh but i have personally witnessed hobos with iphone. 1270497;1441980546;kakobrekla;i know its true. 1270498;1441980607;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270279 << but this is not why. 1270499;1441980607;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 10:04:15; mircea_popescu: tim cook is officially retarded. 1270500;1441980645;kakobrekla;the only way you dont have a bumphone is if you have the latest one. 1270501;1441980650;kakobrekla;in their view. 1270502;1441980654;asciilifeform;(items like $3k laptops where the screen cracks two weeks after purchase, and THEY WON'T TAKE IT BACK, are why. that kind of thing is not forgotten, not forgiven. if the alternative were not microshit, apple would already be dead.) 1270503;1441981010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00073899 = 25.2365 BTC [+] {3} 1270504;1441981234;phf;i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i think 5 to 6 period was the p 1270505;1441981235;phf;eek for apple 1270506;1441981245;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270419 << this leads to one neglected unix script tool which one could easily implement 'v' in a few lines - 'gnu make' ! 1270507;1441981245;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 13:01:25; mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y02/03c-the-myth-of-software-engineering.html 1270508;1441981326;asciilifeform;phf: go on train, bus, where everyone is bored, in usa. 9 ipnohe to 1 turdroid, at times. 1270509;1441981348;asciilifeform;(boredom lures the pnohes out of pockets and to where you can see them) 1270510;1441981378;asciilifeform;if there was something 'statusy' about it, this disappeared in 2009 or earlier. 1270511;1441981458;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1270512;1441981595;phf;asciilifeform: this stuff seems more pronounced further away you are from фабрика грез. i'm sure you'd still be the coolest boy on the block with an iphone in kerala 1270513;1441981643;kakobrekla;need more bumphones in africa so they can use ze blockchain 1270514;1441981708;phf;fingers crossed xt ios app will be ready by the time africa is the last remaining apple market 1270515;1441981953;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/north-korea-army-life-defector-question 1270516;1441981954;assbot;Ask a North Korean: what's life like in the army? | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1CeLH ) 1270517;1441982120;phf;"hookah is coming -- you pack it here? -- he go elsewhere, we don't like say no" what a nice country 1270518;1441982275;pete_dushenski;jurov: cheers ! 1270519;1441982303;punkman;phf, bringing hookah from other shop down the stree? 1270520;1441982306;punkman;*street 1270521;1441982460;shinohai;o/ pete_dushenski 1270522;1441982509;pete_dushenski;gooood morning 1270523;1441982589;punkman;http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34210002 1270524;1441982590;assbot;Travelling to work 'is work', European court rules - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1DrTg ) 1270525;1441982721;pete_dushenski;^ obviously 1270526;1441982737;pete_dushenski;for contractors, certainly. 1270527;1441982768;pete_dushenski;for salaried employees who work 9-5 in a cubicle, obviously not. 1270528;1441982775;pete_dushenski;actually seems like a sane ruling to me. 1270529;1441982813;pete_dushenski;and this is certainly the way i'm billed whenever i have a contractor fix something on a property. travel time is always included. 1270530;1441982923;shinohai;I always got to include travel time in my former employment, but only "to" job site and not the return trip. 1270531;1441982957;pete_dushenski;half is better than nothing ? 1270532;1441982973;pete_dushenski;"Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arrived…In all, 1270533;1441982974;pete_dushenski; about seven hundred thousand Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies were killed. Yet a higher number survived. This is a dramatic contrast to the lands where the state was destroyed, where almost all Jews were killed." 1270534;1441982998;pete_dushenski;basically, be hungarian, not estonian 1270535;1441983206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10763 @ 0.00073978 = 7.9623 BTC [+] 1270536;1441983224;pete_dushenski;in other news, "the Agriculture Department announced this morning that 48 million Americans live in “food insecure” households." 1270537;1441983238;pete_dushenski;"“Food insecurity” is a statistic designed to mislead. USDA defines food insecurity as being “uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food.”" 1270538;1441983254;pete_dushenski;"The definition of “food insecure” includes anyone who frets about not being able to purchase food at any point. If someone states that they feared running out of food for a single day (but didn’t run out), that is an indicator of being “food insecure” for the entire year — regardless of whether they ever missed a single meal. If someone wants organic kale but can afford only conventional kale, that 1270539;1441983254;pete_dushenski;is another “food insecure” indicator." 1270540;1441983323;pete_dushenski;gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ? 1270541;1441983755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00074187 = 5.7866 BTC [+] 1270542;1441983816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16547 @ 0.00074203 = 12.2784 BTC [+] {2} 1270543;1441984339;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/10/north_korea_exploits_zero_day_in_seouls_favourite_word_doc/ 1270544;1441984340;assbot;North Korea exploits 0-day in Seoul's favourite word processor • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBQo0R ) 1270545;1441984562;phf;punkman: yes, not for purchase though, to smoke. he ran to a different location, packed it there, brought here, and then proceeded to refresh coals by repeating the process 1270546;1441984591;phf;what smoking permits 1270547;1441986378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11754 @ 0.00074204 = 8.7219 BTC [+] 1270548;1441986927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111517 @ 0.00074393 = 82.9608 BTC [+] {7} 1270549;1441987049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00074137 = 12.974 BTC [-] 1270550;1441988267;funkenstein_;http://3.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com/b/-/bustedtees.57137f3b-8a5b-489e-a756-2f8bb616.jpg 1270551;1441988268;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULUt9T ) 1270552;1441988351;funkenstein_;6bdr_2IAJWU <-- mos def, immortal technique, eminem 1270553;1441988400;funkenstein_;!rate cazalla 1 respecable journalist 1270554;1441988401;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9c6104fcc03a1587 1270555;1441988440;funkenstein_;!v assbot:funkenstein_.rate.cazalla.1:d6f88d117ed5e7419069c6ff29c24135b96e84b6f151a4abd7a0327d177968c6 1270556;1441988440;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for cazalla with note: respecable journalist 1270557;1441988524;funkenstein_;one more for you on a lighter note http://i.imgur.com/uahrPfW.gifv 1270558;1441988525;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iCHbRh ) 1270559;1441988573;pete_dushenski;lel 1270560;1441988662;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1270561;1441988665;ascii_field;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/10/james-clapper-pentagon-military-official 1270562;1441988666;assbot;US spy chief's 'highly unusual' reported contact with military official raises concerns | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULW0gb ) 1270563;1441988771;pete_dushenski;"James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, is said to talk nearly every day with the head of US Central Command’s intelligence wing, Army Brigadier General Steven Grove – “which is highly, highly unusual”, according to a former intelligence official." << it brings a tear to mine eye to see these bureaucrats breaking down barriers like this. *sniff* 1270564;1441988861;pete_dushenski;in other news, http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/11/how-to-be-a-feminazi-feminist 1270565;1441988862;assbot;10 ways you can tell if you’re a ‘feminazi’ | Laura Bates | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1EStbgg ) 1270566;1441988890;shinohai;Step 1. Sign up for Reddit and tumblr 1270567;1441988918;pete_dushenski;step 2. steal socks. step 3... step 4. reparations! 1270568;1441989055;shinohai;I wonder if the author of that article would be mad if I made a masturbation pun on her name. 1270569;1441989184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 10305 @ 0.00009778 = 1.0076 BTC [+] {4} 1270570;1441989227;pete_dushenski;shinohai: not like she'll ever read the logs. have at 'er :) 1270571;1441989268;shinohai;Unless I make them red in the face, where's the fun? 1270572;1441989613;shinohai;I never knew this goldmine existed: http://biddaters.com/auction-list/ 1270573;1441989615;assbot;Auctions Archive - Biddaters.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULYfjt ) 1270574;1441990087;pete_dushenski;looks to be ~$1/lb as a going rate, shockingly, exactly like in that trilema article 1270575;1441990122;ascii_field;'Yes, opium was a murderous agent in our blood streams. Yes, we were addicted. But we gained a gravelly tone that made friends’ poetry recitations bearable. If we expired bit by bit, we were comfortable in our growing numbness. Opium eased away frustrations and failings. This was a traditional addiction respectful of our history, of traditions that allowed us to go with the flow as we socialised around glowing charcoa 1270576;1441990122;ascii_field;l trays. Lethal, yes, but slow and relaxed – almost spiritual.' 1270577;1441990142;ascii_field;(vintage article, where persian supposedly laments the coming of new dope to replace old, http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/may/13/crystal-meth-tehrans-new-drug-of-choice ) 1270578;1441990143;assbot;Crystal meth: 'Walk a little way in any direction and buy it for a trifle' | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZorm ) 1270579;1441990225;shinohai;pete_dushenski: my mind instantly thought of that trilema article lol 1270580;1441990235;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/4HFAd86.jpg <<< crapple lolz 1270581;1441990236;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZCP5 ) 1270582;1441990256;pete_dushenski;shinohai: can you find it ? i can't ! 1270583;1441990284;shinohai;This one? http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/ 1270584;1441990285;assbot;Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZI9D ) 1270585;1441990311;pete_dushenski;nah, think it mighta been 'battlefield of the future' 1270586;1441990335;shinohai;hrmm ... 1270587;1441990343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.0007394 = 25.2135 BTC [-] {4} 1270588;1441990380;shinohai;Think that was 2014 archive 1270589;1441990465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00073616 = 18.7353 BTC [-] 1270590;1441990543;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1270591;1441990547;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/09/potus-15-0911.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/1CT56Q8 <<< pure gold 1270592;1441990549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM0inA ) 1270593;1441990550;assbot;dpaste: 1CT56Q8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM0inL ) 1270594;1441990659;shinohai;lol ascii_field so I guess I can't let my guard down. 1270595;1441990667;shinohai;National emergencies and all. 1270596;1441990674;punkman;why haven't they made the emergency permanent yet? 1270597;1441990831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00073233 = 21.384 BTC [-] {2} 1270598;1441990937;shinohai;That we should mirror ancient Rome, suspend democracy and give Obama sole power to defend our borders. 1270599;1441991075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29390 @ 0.00073055 = 21.4709 BTC [-] {2} 1270600;1441991076;funkenstein_;choke off all commerce with more fascism, great idea 1270601;1441991082;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270540 << also the peculiarly american conflation of various industrial waste for 'food' 1270602;1441991082;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 14:55:23; pete_dushenski: gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ? 1270603;1441991177;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270543 << run moar winblowz ! 'backdoor dubbed PeachPit which is pinned on North Korean-based attackers.' << why not pinned on redmond, washington ? 1270604;1441991177;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 15:12:19; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/10/north_korea_exploits_zero_day_in_seouls_favourite_word_doc/ 1270605;1441991213;funkenstein_;lol hotus potus 1270606;1441991376;pete_dushenski;"So run off to the bathroom, strip naked and weigh yourself. Pork bellies go for ~$1 per pound, and so do you (provided you were frozen, trimmed, and added up to enough of your peers to make a 18`000 kg package)." << http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.273-133.484 1270607;1441991377;assbot;The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM248j ) 1270608;1441991385;pete_dushenski;shinohai: ^ 1270609;1441991399;ascii_field;vast exaggeration - no one would buy pork of this quality, not for a penny a pound 1270610;1441991436;ascii_field;pig fed human shit - is edible. china, 5000+ yrs. pig fed industrial waste - no. 1270611;1441991514;pete_dushenski;mebbe girl eats organic 1270612;1441991523;pete_dushenski;why not 1270613;1441991685;ascii_field;difficult to become 'planet' on actual food 1270614;1441991800;pete_dushenski;well, no one's buying planets now are they, not even mr. musk 1270615;1441991841;shinohai;thx pete_dushenski 1270616;1441991856;ascii_field;just pointing out that the people pictured in BingoBoingo's links did not get the way they are by eating actual food 1270617;1441991861;shinohai;Approprite quote :D 1270618;1441991897;shinohai;Nor did they make that conference by using actual bitcoin. 1270619;1441991932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.0007296 = 3.9435 BTC [-] 1270620;1441992229;pete_dushenski;bbl 1270621;1441992351;ascii_field;http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/cartoons/FEMINIST.GIF << by toom, of toom-cook multiplication algo !! 1270622;1441992356;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmxMZj ) 1270623;1441992365;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1270624;1441992382;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.toomandre.com << toom of toom-cook algo. teaches in brazil. 1270625;1441992383;assbot;Home page of Andre Toom, Andrei Toom ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmxRvT ) 1270626;1441992383;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1270627;1441992477;ascii_field;http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/index.htm >> e.g., http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/Shanker.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/3JY6ENM 1270628;1441992478;assbot;English Educ ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HqJ ) 1270629;1441992482;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HHj ) 1270630;1441992483;assbot;dpaste: 3JY6ENM ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HHn ) 1270631;1441992483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00072891 = 6.9975 BTC [-] 1270632;1441992503;ascii_field;'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.' 1270633;1441992544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.0007296 = 12.3704 BTC [+] 1270634;1441992571;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/0HCN3ZM << another good piece by him, de-pdfized 1270635;1441992573;assbot;dpaste: 0HCN3ZM ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4V12 ) 1270636;1441992590;ascii_field;(original - http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/Wars.pdf ) 1270637;1441992593;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4WlG ) 1270638;1441992609;shinohai;Someone has an inflated sense of entitlement. 1270639;1441992732;ascii_field;http://www.toomandre.com/travel/BEARS.GIF << mega-illustration of life. 1270640;1441992733;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmysxN ) 1270641;1441992950;trinque;pete_dushenski: where's the >1BTC bet feed? 1270642;1441992960;trinque;doesn't make sense to me to add special logic for a single RSS feed 1270643;1441993117;shinohai;Very apt comic ascii_field 1270644;1441993317;trinque;they taught us the quadratic formula in middle school using a goddamn nursery song tune 1270645;1441993320;trinque;"row your boat" 1270646;1441993350;trinque;junior high I guess it was, 6th or 7th 1270647;1441993379;trinque;in re: ascii_field's 0HCN3ZM 1270648;1441993463;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3kiv90/eth_is_dumping_hard_why_whats_the_bad_news/cuxs1qd 1270649;1441993464;assbot;ericcart comments on ETH is dumping HARD, why? What's the bad news? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmAttG ) 1270650;1441993584;punkman;poloniex does margin now? 1270651;1441993703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.0007372 = 29.3406 BTC [+] 1270652;1441993728;shinohai;Have been for a few months I think. 1270653;1441994531;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1270654;1441994557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32981 @ 0.00074152 = 24.4561 BTC [+] {3} 1270655;1441994618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7419 @ 0.00074532 = 5.5295 BTC [+] 1270656;1441994957;fluffypony;punkman 1270657;1441994962;fluffypony;I uploaded photos 1270658;1441994969;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/cl6XH 1270659;1441994970;assbot;Malla - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1UMaNY7 ) 1270660;1441994979;fluffypony;that was what it looked like in June 2014 1270661;1441995053;fluffypony;those were the ones I took on my phone, I have other pics (somewhere) I took with my camera 1270662;1441995076;trinque;truly filthy laptop 1270663;1441995078;*;trinque shudders 1270664;1441996258;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-mideast-syria-russia-idUSKCN0RB0ZD20150911 << here comes the pressure 1270665;1441996259;assbot;Russia to U.S.: talk to us on Syria or risk 'unintended incidents' | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1UMdAAG ) 1270666;1441996307;trinque;"They will train to repulse an attack from the air and to defend the coast, which means firing artillery and testing short-range air defense systems, " the source said, adding that the exercise had been agreed with the Syrian government. << might as well have said "against US airstrikes" 1270667;1441996814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00073375 = 19.9947 BTC [-] 1270668;1441997241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25756 @ 0.00073059 = 18.8171 BTC [-] {3} 1270669;1441998095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24029 @ 0.00073446 = 17.6483 BTC [+] 1270670;1441998217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.00073754 = 12.505 BTC [+] 1270671;1441998949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00074531 = 9.2418 BTC [+] {2} 1270672;1441999376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00074624 = 30.0735 BTC [+] {6} 1270673;1441999494;shinohai;Nice album fluffypony 1270674;1441999503;fluffypony;tks 1270675;1442000224;mats;what a crowd 1270676;1442000280;mats;graphic t shirts, bowties, hoodies, suits 1270677;1442000352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00074868 = 9.0216 BTC [+] 1270678;1442000357;shinohai;Where mats? 1270679;1442000408;mats;fluffy's album 1270680;1442000474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82250 @ 0.00074868 = 61.5789 BTC [+] 1270681;1442000625;shinohai;Oh xD 1270682;1442000636;shinohai;I need a drink, what a stressful day. 1270683;1442000716;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1270684;1442000743;ascii_field;;;later tell jurov last night i saw operetta version of 'r.u.r.' at czech embassy. it was spiffy 1270685;1442000743;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1270686;1442001267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89282 @ 0.00073555 = 65.6714 BTC [-] {6} 1270687;1442002078;mircea_popescu;PinkPosixPXE i'm fine now! weren't you going to do a dc at some point ? :D 1270688;1442002100;*;mircea_popescu trolls ascii_field more. 1270689;1442002121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00074868 = 22.1235 BTC [+] 1270690;1442002122;ascii_field;l0lwat 1270691;1442002304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31422 @ 0.00073726 = 23.1662 BTC [-] 1270692;1442002326;mircea_popescu;so listen ascii_field is it true sexpr were mostly copied from regexp ? 1270693;1442002335;ascii_field;in 1958 ??? 1270694;1442002340;mircea_popescu;s/g/s/ and re-arrange the letters a little 1270695;1442002360;ascii_field;reminds me of my brother's Unified Theory of Linguistics 1270696;1442002374;ascii_field;unfortunately doesn't work in english, but i'll try: 1270697;1442002412;ascii_field;-ийский family - английский (english), индийский - hindi, etc 1270698;1442002447;ascii_field;-инский family - финский (finnish), латинский (latin) 1270699;1442002450;ascii_field;etc. 1270700;1442002455;ascii_field;it wurkx!!1111 1270701;1442002473;ascii_field;classifies! 1270702;1442002484;mircea_popescu;hey, it actually does, in russian. 1270703;1442002490;ascii_field;http://www.multicians.org/thvv/borges-animals.html << see also. 1270704;1442002492;assbot;Borges' Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6WGMk ) 1270705;1442002503;mircea_popescu;i suspect the deep driver there is "idiots" vs "enemies" 1270706;1442002553;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1270707;1442002579;ascii_field;http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/#comment-115312 btw 1270708;1442002579;assbot;The great Nedeflorena show on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6WM6C ) 1270709;1442002605;mircea_popescu;god damned it. 1270710;1442002618;mircea_popescu;you know alfie, back when i was writing for romanians in romanian it was easy 1270711;1442002627;ascii_field;hows that 1270712;1442002632;mircea_popescu;but now i write in english and people who know russian read and wtf amd i gonna do. 1270713;1442002642;mircea_popescu;I WANT MY PRIVATE JOKES BACK 1270714;1442002651;ascii_field;l0lz 1270715;1442002673;ascii_field;learn cn, might take us a little while to catch up 1270716;1442002693;mircea_popescu;write your lisp in java, might take a while to run! 1270717;1442002696;ascii_field;i know strictly enough of it to not crash an elevator 1270718;1442002748;mircea_popescu;and the next day after i start making obscure chinese statements on trilema you run off from home to live in xiang-fuck or some shit 1270719;1442002769;*;mircea_popescu has little faith in the length of that "little while". 1270720;1442002779;ascii_field;hey, 'better for the buses, closer to the shops' or how'd it go 1270721;1442002785;mircea_popescu;lol 1270722;1442003102;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270469 << this supposition is both correct and a good reason to not use gold as a monetary item. 1270723;1442003102;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 13:52:21; asciilifeform: this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ? 1270724;1442003121;mircea_popescu;i refer you to your classical history studies. why do you suppose the atom count of gold per monetary item kept decreasing ? 1270725;1442003127;mircea_popescu;emperors wanted to steal, right ? 1270726;1442003130;mircea_popescu;why did they want this ? 1270727;1442003150;ascii_field;easier than not ? 1270728;1442003151;mircea_popescu;if money were still linked to gold, seeing how there's not that much gold around, you'd be dealing in sub-miligram units. 1270729;1442003163;mircea_popescu;gold as coinage works fine for small populations. 1270730;1442003177;mircea_popescu;once the empire grows, the size of the coin has to diminish 1270731;1442003187;mircea_popescu;the choice is to either make it microscopic or dilute it with base metal 1270732;1442003189;mircea_popescu;pure ux. 1270733;1442003203;ascii_field;why not introduce copper coins for schmucks, keep proper gold coins for serious biznis 1270734;1442003219;mircea_popescu;because that introduces a border and borders must be policed which costs EVEN MORE money 1270735;1442003222;ascii_field;the dilution is not inevitable, it is pure pickpocketry 1270736;1442003231;mircea_popescu;the dilution is in fact inevitable. 1270737;1442003231;ascii_field;newton policed just fine 1270738;1442003244;mircea_popescu;if your mint needs a newton to run it, fuck you. 1270739;1442003252;mircea_popescu;go design some more phd assemblylines! 1270740;1442003272;ascii_field;(beautifully fictionalized but afaik pretty accurate depiction of 'trial of the pyx' in n. stephenson's 'baroque cycle' - recommended) 1270741;1442003285;ascii_field;!s pyx 1270742;1442003286;assbot;6 results for 'pyx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pyx 1270743;1442003293;ben_vulpes;rather nifty books 1270744;1442003304;ascii_field;aha 1270745;1442003357;mircea_popescu;anyway : yes as adoption grows (the real kind, not verbal), the average size of the unspent will decrease. 1270746;1442003369;mircea_popescu;this has nothing to do with wealth (in fact it decreases more in wealthy systems than in poorer ones) 1270747;1442003489;ascii_field;overall this is a kind of inevitable entropic heat death and applies to everything. 1270748;1442003501;ascii_field;e.g., go and get the indium back out of the junkyard, for new lcd glass 1270749;1442003510;mircea_popescu;yes. 1270750;1442003518;ascii_field;all 0.1 mg or however much of it, per. 1270751;1442003518;mircea_popescu;but unlike indium, which is a real object, 1270752;1442003521;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is an ideal object 1270753;1442003768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00073728 = 27.4637 BTC [+] {3} 1270754;1442003929;*;trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com 1270755;1442003936;ascii_field;wtf why 1270756;1442003938;trinque;email is hell 1270757;1442003941;trinque;that's why 1270758;1442003951;trinque;I have no interest in continuing this postfix hobby 1270759;1442003954;BingoBoingo;Everything sucks 1270760;1442003955;ascii_field;how does using random spam mailatron help 1270761;1442003957;mircea_popescu;darkmail or w/e hasn't gone down./ 1270762;1442003964;mircea_popescu;so use that :D 1270763;1442003965;ascii_field;hushmail 1270764;1442003965;ascii_field;.gov 1270765;1442003967;ascii_field;aha 1270766;1442003989;trinque;because it's their problem to keep up, and the idea that any email is beyond prying eyes is long since passed 1270767;1442003999;trinque;want to send a real message, send it through a better tube 1270768;1442004055;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270476 << yeah, i'm sure it's so much better with men. 1270769;1442004055;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 13:56:45; asciilifeform: then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads... 1270770;1442004175;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270480 << for the record i know actual us women, in their 60s, in the same situation. the usg itself doesn't, but that'd be more of the http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/bullying-allegations-against-monash-senior-surgeon-upheld/6766046 same. 1270771;1442004175;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 13:57:52; asciilifeform: ^ aha this was sop 1270772;1442004177;assbot;Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g ) 1270773;1442004181;mircea_popescu;and holy fuck am i indignant over that shit. 1270774;1442004215;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270481 << amusingly, notrly. 1270775;1442004215;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 13:59:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270211 << there was gold, foreign currencies, no ? 1270776;1442004223;mircea_popescu;rilke dealt in funeral stones as stores of value lol 1270777;1442004237;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270483 << that's not an adult. 1270778;1442004237;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 13:59:43; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270214 << easily, if the adult is a demented bugger goading the idiots on 1270779;1442004357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ? 1270780;1442004380;mircea_popescu;chumpatronics is its own science, with its own measures scl, you can't just replace them for gonzo values 1270781;1442004382;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1270782;1442004532;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270504 << it was perhaps peek stupidty in moscow libertard circles. 1270783;1442004532;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 14:20:34; phf: i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i 1270784;1442004537;mircea_popescu;meanwhile putin reigned it in. 1270785;1442004564;mircea_popescu;iirc that was before ukraine. 1270786;1442004677;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270526 << fuck them. 1270787;1442004677;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 14:45:37; pete_dushenski: for contractors, certainly. 1270788;1442004685;mircea_popescu;hm, fuck the other ones i meant! 1270789;1442004769;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270532 goes with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1246900 1270790;1442004769;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 14:49:33; pete_dushenski: "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arriv 1270791;1442004769;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 03:58:42; mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cas 1270792;1442004838;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270779 << wai wat 1270793;1442004838;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 20:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ? 1270794;1442004853;mircea_popescu;it's in the price. they cost >1k or w/e 1270795;1442004910;ascii_field;~700 bux iirc 1270796;1442004914;ascii_field;but what of it 1270797;1442004925;mircea_popescu;that's what it is. all of it. 1270798;1442004927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00074678 = 23.6729 BTC [+] 1270799;1442004945;ascii_field;in usa, almost all iphonistas were getting the things via their telco already 1270800;1442004957;mircea_popescu;in any consumer driven market, the price is the only signal of everything. and you do not give as much as a faint whiff of selling the 1k item for ~20 bux. not ever. 1270801;1442004964;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter how they get it. 1270802;1442004970;mircea_popescu;gotta support the standard. 1270803;1442005026;ascii_field;most iphonists don't even know what the thing costs to buy fair & square 1270804;1442005032;ascii_field;last year or this year 1270805;1442005040;ascii_field;~nobody actually pays the 700 1270806;1442005048;mircea_popescu;heh. your argument basically is "post-consumerism" ? 1270807;1442005060;ascii_field;folks pay a few hundy and telco covers the rest in exchange for binding contract for n years 1270808;1442005061;mircea_popescu;"as long as the state agrees it's 700, doesn't jack shit matter what they do" 1270809;1442005071;ascii_field;(this is forbidden in eu, iirc, usa-only trick) 1270810;1442005188;shinohai;Which would you rather have, $700 or a device that you charge $50 for and people keep inserting coins in to use? 1270811;1442005222;mircea_popescu;the inserting is predicated on the 700. 1270812;1442005231;mircea_popescu;lose one you lose both. 1270813;1442005248;mircea_popescu;but whatever, not like anyone doubted cook was gonna sink apple. 1270814;1442005303;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270754 <<< i use fastmail and today was the first time i've ever had an issue, reliable until now 1270815;1442005303;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 20:38:49; *: trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com 1270816;1442005326;ascii_field;the thing about apple is that it can live for a very, very long time even with all internal organs removed 1270817;1442005339;ascii_field;because there is no (from the perspective of the aficionados) remotely credible alternative. 1270818;1442005375;ascii_field;it is like microshit in the mid-90s 1270819;1442005380;trinque;cazalla: yep, back up now; as long as they are that responsive I'm pleased 1270820;1442005394;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270572 this is a fucking lulzy exercise in http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/#selection-175.0-175.306 1270821;1442005394;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 16:40:13; shinohai: I never knew this goldmine existed: http://biddaters.com/auction-list/ 1270822;1442005395;assbot;Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7t1lw ) 1270823;1442005400;mircea_popescu;generally that whole article applies greatly. 1270824;1442005425;mircea_popescu;spiral of defeat. a) woman goes out, meets a buncha schmucks ; b) woman starts charging ~100 per dinner date, ensuring that... she will now ONLY meet the schmucks. 1270825;1442005447;ascii_field;and only the most desperately repulsive subset, even 1270826;1442005450;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's more like ibm. "great american industree - does nothing really" 1270827;1442005468;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dunno, women i know hate the inept cocksure ones more than the neurotic pay-for-it ones 1270828;1442005472;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: for so long as you think this, you will catastrophically misunderstand why apple remains a thing 1270829;1442005483;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1270830;1442005488;ascii_field;it actually does something. it is useful to understand ~what~. 1270831;1442005497;ascii_field;ben_vulpes can prolly explain much better than i can 1270832;1442005581;mircea_popescu;your argument strikes me of the same exceptionalism "medicine" of 1700 employed. or "religion" of 1800. 1270833;1442005592;mircea_popescu;it does "something" and for as long etc, i'll fail to understand why it remains a thing. 1270834;1442005606;mircea_popescu;not so, notrly. 1270835;1442005653;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270632 << i lolled. 1270836;1442005653;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 17:28:23; ascii_field: 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.' 1270837;1442005665;ascii_field;they sell microshit-free machines usable by civilian 1270838;1442005682;mircea_popescu;derplet's got these feelings almost like he's a thing, "i am a tractor, it makes no sense i can't pull odwn this wall, please explain mechanics to it!" 1270839;1442005701;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nobody cares. 1270840;1442005730;ascii_field;the billion lusers who buy the thing, apparently care 1270841;1442005759;ascii_field;hell, some perfectly literate folks, ben_vulpes, trinque, et al, care. 1270842;1442005766;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270648 << awww. lol. 1270843;1442005766;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 17:44:23; shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3kiv90/eth_is_dumping_hard_why_whats_the_bad_news/cuxs1qd 1270844;1442005780;shinohai;^_____________^ 1270845;1442005782;mircea_popescu;"someone pointed out to mp what that shit's been doing while nobody was looking" 1270846;1442005802;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the "apparently care" you propose has a name. 1270847;1442005827;shinohai;I am also pleased to see that dogecoin seems to be declining. That scam sure had some steam. 1270848;1442005891;mircea_popescu;fluffypony is that floor linoleum ? http://i.imgur.com/WREwgEd.jpg 1270849;1442005892;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7ufgB ) 1270850;1442005892;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple 1270851;1442005910;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/S2X6bI7.jpg omfg what is this ;/ 1270852;1442005912;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7ugBe ) 1270853;1442005913;mircea_popescu;2 star. 1270854;1442005921;mircea_popescu;nobody even knows the quals anymore, is it ? 1270855;1442005922;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: tiled, iirc 1270856;1442005930;ascii_field;l0l square toilet 1270857;1442005936;ascii_field;a bit like in ba 1270858;1442005951;*;ascii_field searched, in vain, for people on the street with square arses 1270859;1442005958;mircea_popescu;ascii_field wut ?! bathroom was the size of that room o.O 1270860;1442005964;ascii_field;yes it was. 1270861;1442005975;ascii_field;speaking of the toilet per se, strictly 1270862;1442005981;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/8ZHmhKt.jpg <<< hey check out the respectable dulap! 1270863;1442005982;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uqIM ) 1270864;1442005982;ascii_field;the actual shitcatcher. 1270865;1442005994;ascii_field;schlllllt. 1270866;1442005998;mircea_popescu;ftr, the estonians got really great at "fake ancient furniture". 1270867;1442006016;mircea_popescu;they did a good job actually copying the principles not merelyt the objects, turn out perfectly passible items now. 1270868;1442006036;mircea_popescu;beat the shit of the romanians, who tried same but failed utterly. 1270869;1442006098;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/TldSNQ4.jpg << thisd thing'd have made such a great bdsm dungeon 1270870;1442006099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uLLz ) 1270871;1442006102;mircea_popescu;really its only use./ 1270872;1442006140;ascii_field;l0l what kinda gulag is that 1270873;1442006143;*;shinohai uncovers a plot where the USG kidnaps asciilifeform and force him to rewrite bitcoin in this: https://github.com/ErisBlastar/cplusequality 1270874;1442006145;assbot;ErisBlastar/cplusequality · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uRmz ) 1270875;1442006218;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1270876;1442006221;ascii_field;maybe(p.gender==male && p.orentation==het_cis_scum) { 1270877;1442006221;ascii_field;yell('RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!!!'); 1270878;1442006221;ascii_field;crush(p); //Use the function crush in Dworkin.Xir to discard the oppressor 1270879;1442006221;ascii_field;ENDMISOGYNY 1270880;1442006227;ascii_field;win. 1270881;1442006269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3961 @ 0.00074386 = 2.9464 BTC [-] 1270882;1442006383;ascii_field;http://feministsoftwarefoundation.org << very lulzy. go, load it 1270883;1442006388;assbot;МВД России ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nncsmm ) 1270884;1442006744;shinohai;Ministry of Internal Affairs? LOL 1270885;1442006763;mod6;wth haha 1270886;1442006779;ascii_field;shinohai: gendarmerie. 1270887;1442006790;trinque;obviously pussy riot is resisting through culture with this domain 1270888;1442006793;ascii_field;(sorta like what they would like to make in usa, instead of all the disjoint local police forces) 1270889;1442006836;shinohai;I got called an idiot for not calling the cops when my house got broken into yesterday. 1270890;1442006868;shinohai;Kinda pointless imo 1270891;1442006884;ascii_field;shinohai: some insurance companies will not officially recognize the fact of theft, vandalism, etc. without a police case # 1270892;1442006937;ascii_field;phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself 1270893;1442006943;shinohai;All they got was a cruddy old laptop worth abt $200, wasn't insured. 1270894;1442006945;ascii_field;(think about it. how would it work.) 1270895;1442007006;pete_dushenski;from a meatwoter : "Also on a completely unrelated note, TD now prevents me from visiting contravex at work." 1270896;1442007016;ascii_field;td? 1270897;1442007025;pete_dushenski;for those unawares, TD Canada Trust is one of the 'big 5' banks in canada 1270898;1442007030;shinohai;Items in my safe are insured, but that was too much trouble for what I am guessing was methheads. 1270899;1442007132;pete_dushenski;bank of nova scotia (scotiabank), canadian imperial bank of commerce (cibc), bank of montreal (bmo), and royal bank of canada (rbc) round it out 1270900;1442007139;pete_dushenski;td = toronto dominion 1270901;1442007141;mircea_popescu;how exactly did the russky govt manage to steal a .org ? 1270902;1442007153;ascii_field;steal lol 1270903;1442007187;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1270904;1442007214;ascii_field;it's the world's spiffiest tr0l0l0l 1270905;1442007225;ascii_field;iirc never pointed anywhere else 1270906;1442007231;mircea_popescu;oh 1270907;1442007256;mircea_popescu;i thought it was the derpy blondies or something. 1270908;1442007257;ascii_field;quite reminiscent of 'intercal' btw 1270909;1442007259;mircea_popescu;didn't know they could code. 1270910;1442007372;pete_dushenski;;;later tell kakobrekla please to point trinque to >1btc bitbet rss feed (if it exists) 1270911;1442007372;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1270912;1442007438;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/ 1270913;1442007439;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 :: 4.55 B (18%) on Yes, 20.27 B (82%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 61`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7xNzw ) 1270914;1442007442;mircea_popescu;5:1, that bad ? hm. 1270915;1442007489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28572 @ 0.00073999 = 21.143 BTC [-] {3} 1270916;1442007640;mircea_popescu; phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself << of course they will. 1270917;1442007655;ascii_field;for its poundage in scrap - yes 1270918;1442007657;mircea_popescu;they won't do custom jobs for items worth less than maybe 100k or so, but then again fuck you, nobody is going to insure your chewwed gum 1270919;1442007666;ascii_field;^^ this, yes 1270920;1442007667;mircea_popescu;nah, artwork is routinely insured. 1270921;1442007674;ascii_field;not talking about rembrandt. 1270922;1442007680;ascii_field;not a problem i have 1270923;1442007693;mircea_popescu;i know bunches of late 20s earlky 30yos with insurance for the shiot they make 1270924;1442007729;mircea_popescu;not their fault you persist in living in a counbtry whichg has decided "coding will work like art works!!1" 1270925;1442007858;mircea_popescu;"Its easier than you think to attract this offensive, sexist label all you have to do is dare speak out against gender inequality" 1270926;1442007864;mircea_popescu;oh ffs, who the fuck is laura bates. 1270927;1442008233;shinohai;http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/welcome-to-hipster-hell-tumblr-now-has-its-own-clothing-line/ 1270928;1442008234;assbot;Welcome To Hipster Hell: Tumblr Now Has Its Own Clothing Line | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1KgmsNe ) 1270929;1442008259;shinohai;^Guarantee they will go bankrupt trying to find enuf cloth to fit all the fat-ass feminists. 1270930;1442008286;pete_dushenski;shinohai: like walmart goes bankrupt ? mkay. 1270931;1442008316;shinohai;That's a lot of cloth, pete_dushenski 1270932;1442008362;pete_dushenski;ha not like it's silk 1270933;1442008384;pete_dushenski;tumlrinas also need a lot of 'food', doesn't seem to be an issue 1270934;1442008529;shinohai;hue 1270935;1442008670;shinohai;https://redd.it/3kkn6v 1270936;1442008673;assbot;No, dropping lowest-priority tx (in the event of a spam attack) is not better than dropping random transactions - in fact, it's a lot worse. Peter Todd is full of shit on this one. Here's why. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7Af95 ) 1270937;1442009212;*;trinque shoves the barge that once was a mailserver seaward, fires a flaming arrow, salutes 1270938;1442009282;mod6;heheh 1270939;1442009429;pete_dushenski;follow-up from meatwoter at td : trilema.com works 1270940;1442009451;pete_dushenski;WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE SUCH OPPRESSION ?! 1270941;1442009752;*;shinohai adds pete_dushenski to the sponsors of terrorism list. 1270942;1442010051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0007416 = 3.8563 BTC [+] 1270943;1442010095;pete_dushenski;me and youtube, gmail, and facefraud. oh the company i keep. 1270944;1442010478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00073726 = 33.6928 BTC [-] 1270945;1442010816;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ 1270946;1442010966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.0007418 = 25.3325 BTC [+] {3} 1270947;1442011322;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1270948;1442011437;shinohai;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us/politics/us-drops-charges-that-professor-shared-technology-with-china.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNews®ion=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=50653748&pgtype=article 1270949;1442011440;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok0v1F ) 1270950;1442012004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41496 @ 0.00074245 = 30.8087 BTC [+] {3} 1270951;1442013772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00074093 = 22.5984 BTC [-] {3} 1270952;1442013833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26793 @ 0.00073805 = 19.7746 BTC [-] 1270953;1442014138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36463 @ 0.00074386 = 27.1234 BTC [+] 1270954;1442014504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00073805 = 3.4688 BTC [-] 1270955;1442015846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30925 @ 0.00073741 = 22.8044 BTC [-] {3} 1270956;1442016761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00074209 = 12.1703 BTC [+] 1270957;1442017188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37543 @ 0.00074758 = 28.0664 BTC [+] {5} 1270958;1442017737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00074209 = 16.5486 BTC [-] {3} 1270959;1442019140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25405 @ 0.00073722 = 18.7291 BTC [-] {3} 1270960;1442019201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00073264 = 10.3669 BTC [-] 1270961;1442019466;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz 1270962;1442019467;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1270963;1442020055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00074432 = 11.3881 BTC [+] {4} 1270964;1442020360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00074916 = 17.6053 BTC [+] 1270965;1442020665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00074959 = 25.1487 BTC [+] {4} 1270966;1442022129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073264 = 8.2056 BTC [-] 1270967;1442022678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0007323 = 22.3718 BTC [-] {3} 1270968;1442022983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75450 @ 0.00075006 = 56.592 BTC [+] {6} 1270969;1442023288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89300 @ 0.00075122 = 67.0839 BTC [+] {6} 1270970;1442025205;pete_dushenski;@realDonaldTrump: "I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th." 1270971;1442025508;*;asciilifeform l0lz re: the only #b-a fella who gives a flying fuck re: u.s. election being a canadian 1270972;1442025534;pete_dushenski;hehe 'impartial observer' 1270973;1442025542;pete_dushenski;no 'skin in the game' 1270974;1442026688;pete_dushenski;http://rmsothebys.com/lf15/london/lots/1995-bugatti-eb110-super-sport/1076871 <--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3An1XcXWoeA 1270975;1442026690;assbot;1995 Bugatti EB110 Super Sport | London 2015 | RM Sotheby's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp1M2g ) 1270976;1442026691;assbot;Bugatti EB110 SS - Chris Harris on Cars - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp1Kav ) 1270977;1442026705;pete_dushenski;^ what a cool million buys in the used car market these days. 1270978;1442027065;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/#comment-115315 1270979;1442027066;assbot;The great Nedeflorena show on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp21dw ) 1270980;1442027087;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy article btw 1270981;1442027530;pete_dushenski;"There is widespread belief that violence in poorly governed countries is triggered by international demand for their natural resources. We study the consequences of U.S. legislation grounded in this belief, the “conflict minerals” section of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act. Targeting the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo, it cuts funding to warlords by discouraging manufacturers from sourcing tin, tungsten, 1270982;1442027531;pete_dushenski;and tantalum from the region." 1270983;1442027543;pete_dushenski;"Using geo-referenced data, we find the legislation increased looting of civilians, and shifted militia battles towards unregulated gold mining territories. These findings are a cautionary tale about the possible unintended consequences of boycotting natural resources from war-torn regions, and the use of international resource governance interventions." 1270984;1442027574;pete_dushenski;bwahaha "possible unintended consequences." only POSSIBLE !!1 1270985;1442027783;pete_dushenski;"The evidence suggests the legislation significantly increased the incidence of looting and the incidence of violence against civilians by at least 291 and 143 percent respectively." 1270986;1442027883;pete_dushenski;granting that epidemiology is hard to follow (obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/), the 'let's blockchain the proud nation of africa'-ists can stuff this in their pipes and smoke it. 1270987;1442027885;assbot;Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp36SQ ) 1270988;1442028035;pete_dushenski;page not found eh. 1270989;1442028290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40221 @ 0.00074195 = 29.842 BTC [-] 1270990;1442028297;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret." 1270991;1442028314;pete_dushenski;trying to make sense of this. seems like good qntra material. 1270992;1442028351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00074011 = 20.6491 BTC [-] 1270993;1442028600;pete_dushenski;;;nethash 1270994;1442028601;gribble;460177092.439 1270995;1442028682;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: niche thing. 1270996;1442028719;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the overall moral of the story is more interesting - expect a generalized 'spymania' in usa; accusations of 'wrecking' will become a regular thing. 1270997;1442028739;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117127 << as in this 1270998;1442028739;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 22:04:14; mircea_popescu: you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster" 1270999;1442028800;pete_dushenski;"using too much concrete and trying to bankrupt the great state" vs. "using too little concrete and jeopardising the security of the great state" 1271000;1442028800;pete_dushenski;aha 1271001;1442028839;pete_dushenski;ok ima write this up for qntra then 1271002;1442028840;pete_dushenski;thx 1271003;1442028903;asciilifeform;http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/09/11/temple-professor-charges-dropped << has the document 1271004;1442028904;assbot;Government Drops Charges Against Chinese-Born Temple Prof | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oktcvo ) 1271005;1442028932;pete_dushenski;nice :) 1271006;1442028933;asciilifeform;http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/05/22/temple-physics-chair-charged-with-passing-tech-to-china << has the indictment. 1271007;1442028934;assbot;Temple Physics Chair Charged With Passing Tech to China | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okti6i ) 1271008;1442028986;asciilifeform;oh and, 1271009;1442028991;asciilifeform;ianal, but breach of nda is a civil matter in usa. 1271010;1442029025;pete_dushenski;makes sense 1271011;1442029026;asciilifeform;i can see how they might have tried to nail him for misappropriation of pentagon money 1271012;1442029032;asciilifeform;but that is not what he was accused of 1271013;1442029088;asciilifeform;the indictment is for fraud 1271014;1442029171;asciilifeform;note the attached 'civil forfeiture' action on last page. 1271015;1442030974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37698 @ 0.00073152 = 27.5768 BTC [-] {3} 1271016;1442031035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15502 @ 0.00073081 = 11.329 BTC [-] {2} 1271017;1442032072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14162 @ 0.00073885 = 10.4636 BTC [+] 1271018;1442032926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00074214 = 16.6239 BTC [+] {2} 1271019;1442034225;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla qntra for ya :) http://dpaste.com/3A6Y046.txt 1271020;1442034226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6DfoL ) 1271021;1442034226;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271022;1442034316;pete_dushenski;Bingo_VACAY: i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you're away atm and that there's no point in sending you the same piece 1271023;1442034326;pete_dushenski;!up Bingo_VACAY 1271024;1442035456;mircea_popescu;"4. You think its pretty unfair that women effectively work from 4 November until the end of the year for free because of the gender pay gap; and that female managers work for free for nearly two hours a day; and that the pay gap is even wider for women of colour and disabled women." 1271025;1442035458;mircea_popescu;eh the fucking bullshit. 1271026;1442035466;mircea_popescu;women ACTUALLY TAKE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OFF! 1271027;1442035474;mircea_popescu;it's not that they show up to work and still take home less money. 1271028;1442035482;pete_dushenski;more bater eh. 1271029;1442035514;mircea_popescu;it's that they do not show up for work, they get the same per hour pay (which on the strength of that alone they should not, for the record, as i'm not paying the same an hour the guy who works 16 hours and the gal that works 6.5) and so logically at the end of the year they get less. 1271030;1442035525;mircea_popescu;holy shit this fatass notion of equality for some things only. 1271031;1442035816;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rddtw6uMNoo << more equalitarianism : fatknee'd naomi klein 1271032;1442035817;assbot;Classic Ali G Show compilation - Best bits - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6E54X ) 1271033;1442035962;mircea_popescu;"i used to be an entrepreneur but then i took a fatter to the knee" 1271034;1442036167;mircea_popescu;http://phys.org/news/2015-09-israeli-mini-scanner-food-pills.html on the vaguely interesting fishwrapper front. 1271035;1442036168;assbot;Israeli mini-scanner tells what's in food, drink or pills ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6EdRV ) 1271036;1442036441;punkman;"does not need physical contact with the substance being tested because it uses a beam of light in what is known as Near Infrared Spectroscopy." 1271037;1442036450;punkman;they did this scam on kickstarter already 1271038;1442036517;pete_dushenski;http://phys.org/news/2015-09-snapshot-americans-knowledge-science.html << lulz found while browsing same site 1271039;1442036518;assbot;A snapshot of Americans' knowledge about science ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Eog1 ) 1271040;1442036586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00073081 = 10.2679 BTC [-] 1271041;1442036593;punkman;oh the israelis are also on kickstarter 1271042;1442036704;mircea_popescu;myeah 1271043;1442036734;cazalla;pete_dushenski, done 1271044;1442036760;deedbot-;[Qntra] Xiaoxing Xi isn't a Chinese spy after all - http://qntra.net/2015/09/xiaoxing-xi-isnt-a-chinese-spy-after-all/ 1271045;1442036777;pete_dushenski;huzzah 1271046;1442036915;mircea_popescu;I think that the real situation in American mathematical education is even worse than TIMSS shows 1271047;1442036915;mircea_popescu;because TIMSS followed the anti-theoretical bias of American educators. By theory I dont mean 1271048;1442036915;mircea_popescu;anything too advanced. Let me give an example. When I was in high school, we studied the quadratic 1271049;1442036915;mircea_popescu;function in a rather complete manner. In particular it was obligatory for all Russian schools to teach 1271050;1442036917;mircea_popescu;children to derive the formula for roots of a quadratic equation ax2 + bx + c = 0 , to prove that the 1271051;1442036920;mircea_popescu;sum of roots equals −b/a and that their product equals c/a and to use these facts to factorize the 1271052;1442036923;mircea_popescu;trinomial. Most American students whom I ever met were not even aware of most of these facts. 1271053;1442036925;mircea_popescu;lord have mercy... what DO they do ? 1271054;1442036933;mircea_popescu;nothing says 9th grade quite like b/2a 1271055;1442037044;mircea_popescu;" E.g., my graduate students in differential geometry could calculate quite hard integrals to know the area or the length of a curve but were not able to answer the question what the geometric sense of the roots of the quadratic equation x^2 − 2Hx + K = 0 is, where H and K are the average and the Gaussian curvature of a surface." 1271056;1442037054;mircea_popescu;i mean for fucks sake, what's even the point of knowing math like that 1271057;1442037058;mircea_popescu;what's the fun in this ? 1271058;1442037173;pete_dushenski;http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/science-knowledge/ << "The median was eight correct answers out of 12 (mean 7.9). The data show that adults with higher education levels are more likely to answer questions about science correctly. Men score an average of 8.6 out of 12 correct answers, compared with women's 7.3 correct answers.Whites score a mean of 8.4 items out of 12 correct, compared with 7.1 among Hispanics an 1271059;1442037174;assbot;Science Knowledge Quiz | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6ELqP ) 1271060;1442037174;pete_dushenski;d 5.9 among blacks. 1271061;1442037257;mircea_popescu;blacks are doing worse in 2015 than they did in 1965. 1271062;1442037271;mircea_popescu;thank you mustachjioed nigger what's his name, you totally helped those people 1271063;1442037288;pete_dushenski;only 6% of 'representative sample' correctly answered all 12 questions 1271064;1442037299;pete_dushenski;mlk jr. 1271065;1442037305;mircea_popescu;more million man marches plox, clearly they fix problems. 1271066;1442037477;mircea_popescu;https://secure.img-cdn.mediaplex.com/0/3484/177243/300x250_paypal_core_safer_faster_en_acq_v2.jpg << holy shit paypal is actually buying advertising now! 1271067;1442037478;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6EW5r ) 1271068;1442037505;mircea_popescu;fuckers are gonna die. 1271069;1442037552;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grpEuAamfA << misses first bit of clip, but gist remains 1271070;1442037553;assbot;Family Guy - (S2xE8) Million Man March - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6EZ14 ) 1271071;1442037698;mircea_popescu;heh 1271072;1442038087;mircea_popescu;"When I came to America, I taught several classes of problem solving and started to appreciate much more the basic education, because my new students dramatically lacked it. They understood advanced ideas but floundered in algebraic transformations, which turned solution of interesting problems into painful struggle with basics." 1271073;1442038087;mircea_popescu;Oh, god. Such pain and suffering. When I took usian slavegirls, attempts to discuss art and philosophy and so forth quickly floundered over a basic inability to remember sentences and build logic trees, which resulted in beatings and many tearful hours spent over grammatical analysis of sentences. Something they should have spend their 12th and 13th year of life on, back before anyone could possibly want to fuck them, 1271074;1442038087;mircea_popescu;under the guard of some old prune too dessicated to fuck them in the first place. Not waste MY fucking time with it. 1271075;1442038440;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1270990 << this is fucking ridiculous. 1271076;1442038440;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 03:24:57; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret." 1271077;1442038457;mircea_popescu;so : some chemical reactions are strongly exothermic (they give out heat). aluminum salts chief among them. 1271078;1442038486;mircea_popescu;the idea to use this as a heat source is older than the aeroplane. i had perfectly functional schematics in books published in the fucking 60s. 1271079;1442038524;mircea_popescu;the utility of the process in various industrial lines is due to the relative high heat, readily controllable total energy and relatively low latency. 1271080;1442038543;mircea_popescu;it is, however, very inefficient (ie, costs a lot more per joule than pretty much any alternative) 1271081;1442038678;mircea_popescu;"The idea to teach fractals in school has already found many supporters. (Everything is possible for those who are not competent enough to understand how difficult it is.)" << heh. "But fractals are cool man, like the universe's all connected and everything" 1271082;1442038716;pete_dushenski;"it's the game ~within~ the game, bro" 1271083;1442038726;mircea_popescu;"I asked several school teachers who were enthusiastic about teaching fractals to define a fractal and none of them mentioned the idea of dimension, least defined it. Usually they emphasized repeating patterns. When I asked why they were not satisfied with wall-paper, they took offence." << yes, because who needs to take a breather and think when they could take offence instead and flail! 1271084;1442038743;mircea_popescu;but yes, the man has a point. fractals aren't for everyone. just like bitcoin isn't for everyone. 1271085;1442038779;mircea_popescu;if you want fractals, first go away and get rich i mean, figure out what a number is, then come back 1271086;1442038839;mircea_popescu;(i am not even all that keen on toom's obviously very geometric take on fractals. they're an analytic construct, which yes can be graphed, like any other function. you don't need "dimensions", you need numeric theory.) 1271087;1442039041;mircea_popescu;"The authors of standards want to reform American mathematical education, but actually only aggravate its main shortcoming: vain ambitions and contempt for consistent, systematic and thorough study." << this is a societal problem. Obama is not an accident, but an archetype. 1271088;1442039087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37217 @ 0.0007426 = 27.6373 BTC [+] 1271089;1442039165;mircea_popescu;but since toom mentioned the fractal problem, let us consult the web. because the web knows shit, right ? all human knowledge, accessible to everyone etc, right ? 1271090;1442039180;mircea_popescu;"fractal Definiciones web Un fractal es un objeto geomtrico cuya estructura bsica, fragmentada o irregular, se repite a diferentes escalas. El trmino fue propuesto por el matemtico Benot Mandelbrot en 1975 y deriva del Latn fractus," blablabla. 1271091;1442039229;mircea_popescu;"as por qu no papel pintado ?" 1271092;1442039233;mircea_popescu;crickets. 1271093;1442039246;mircea_popescu;deafening crickets. or should i say grillos. 1271094;1442039257;mircea_popescu;but perhaps the spanish speakers are retarded, right ? 1271095;1442039271;mircea_popescu;"Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..." 1271096;1442039274;mircea_popescu;fucking spare me already. 1271097;1442039325;mircea_popescu;the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION 1271098;1442039378;mircea_popescu;not to mention that the number 1, as well as the number 0 and the number 78 are "self-similar" on all scales, in a technical sense or not. 1271099;1442039406;mircea_popescu;and so is f(x) = x/this guy's IQ. for crying out loud. 1271100;1442039725;mircea_popescu;"A fractal is a natural phenomenon or a mathematical set that exhibits a repeating pattern that displays at every scale." via en.wikipedia. or in fucking definitions, THIS IS ALLOWED NOW! 1271101;1442039735;mircea_popescu;in what fucking alternate universe may a definition include the word "or" 1271102;1442039767;mircea_popescu;"natural phenomena" ? "pattern" ? bejesus. 1271103;1442039807;mircea_popescu;"A fractal is a figure with repeating patterns containing shapes that are like the whole but of different sizes throughout." 1271104;1442039845;mircea_popescu;"An object whose parts, at infinitely many levels of magnification, appear geometrically similar to the whole. Fractals are used in the design of compact antennas and for computer modeling of natural-looking structures like clouds and trees." 1271105;1442039848;mircea_popescu;the internet is fucking useless. 1271106;1442039878;mircea_popescu;From: Boris Subject: Fractals What is the definition of a fractal? 1271107;1442039896;mircea_popescu;From: Doctor Douglas Subject: Re: Fractals Hi Boris. The key idea in the definition of fractal is "self-similarity". What this means is that the object looks the same no matter what power magnifying glass you use to view it. 1271108;1442039905;mircea_popescu;doctor in eating roadkill, this douglas. 1271109;1442039930;mircea_popescu;"A fractal is a never-ending pattern" quoth "fractalfoundation.org". 1271110;1442039931;mircea_popescu;scammers. 1271111;1442039942;mircea_popescu;jesus fucking christ no english speaker can produce a definition of this concept. 1271112;1442040002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17851 @ 0.00074525 = 13.3035 BTC [+] 1271113;1442040118;mircea_popescu;see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't. 1271114;1442040131;mircea_popescu;and with this observation, the world as observed suddenly makes significantly more sense. 1271115;1442040429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00074607 = 7.8337 BTC [+] 1271116;1442040688;mircea_popescu;(ironically, the concept can be correctly introduced - if one's willing to take the geometric route, and in so doing miss out on most understanding available in the topic - by first explaining what a tangent is and then demaning a closed continuous curve be drawn that allows no tangents. good enough for a bright 12yo, plus minus. but otherwise, fractals are of analytical rather than geometrical interest.) 1271117;1442040802;mircea_popescu;(and if you're doing that, pretty much every bright 12 yo kid has been playing mentally with the peano curve while taking a shit and following the tiling, but didn't know it's called that. so you could of course tell him.) 1271118;1442040864;mircea_popescu;(and once you've done that you're right over on cantor's doorstep and so forth. this might even be the best way to even introduce numbers altogether.) 1271119;1442041068;mod6;not even close to done yet, but these ascii graphs look kinda neat: http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt 1271120;1442041069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VT455b ) 1271121;1442041339;mircea_popescu;o hey mod6 ! 1271122;1442041344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23919 @ 0.00074859 = 17.9055 BTC [+] {2} 1271123;1442041345;mircea_popescu;cool stuff 1271124;1442041362;mod6;thx, havin some fun :] 1271125;1442041405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17766 @ 0.0007521 = 13.3618 BTC [+] 1271126;1442041558;mod6;I created this basic svg graph map of all vpatches to modified files. lol, thing is huge. ridiculous looking. 1271127;1442041667;trinque;^ restart test 1271128;1442041729;mod6;nice 1271129;1442041767;trinque;gonna fiddle with it a bit, but yeah, I'm getting a little observer going that'll go kick him in the ass when appropriate 1271130;1442041782;mircea_popescu;but ipso custodes! 1271131;1442041815;trinque;weechat seems to do better about knowing when to reconnect 1271132;1442041838;trinque;so this will keep the guy going until I find time to write a better IRC handling core 1271133;1442042015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00073959 = 29.1029 BTC [-] {3} 1271134;1442042072;*;mod6 to bed, have a nice evening all. 1271135;1442042082;trinque;gnite 1271136;1442042083;mircea_popescu;In fact, even the term word problem is not used in Russia, because the word problem usually means a word problem, while non-word problems are called exercises. << exactly correct ftr. the difference was even enshrined as such, in the ro equiv of "standards" cca 60s. 1271137;1442042357;mircea_popescu;and so all the books were called "exercitii si probleme" or "probleme si exercitii" 1271138;1442042378;mircea_popescu;;;google "exercitii si probleme" 1271139;1442042379;gribble;Exercitii matematica clasa 3: ; Teste de Matematica | Teste la Limba Romana pentru clasele primare: ; 1000 exercitii si probleme. Culegere de matematica pentru clasa I: 1271140;1442042440;mircea_popescu;and of course the lactating mother of all secundary mathematical education in romanian : https://www.scribd.com/doc/178423619/G-Gheba-Exercitii-Si-Probleme-de-Matematica-Pentru-Clasele-v-IX 1271141;1442042442;assbot;G. Gheba - Exercitii Si Probleme de Matematica Pentru Clasele v-IX ... ( http://bit.ly/1VT6AEy ) 1271142;1442042470;mircea_popescu;i don't think as many people lived the bible as a whetstone in their life during the whole history of christianity 1271143;1442042485;mircea_popescu;as the headcount of romanian kids toiling with gheba during five decades. 1271144;1442042822;trinque;it does seem that the english speaking world's ability to define anything meaningfully is deteriorating, fractals included. 1271145;1442042847;trinque;I believe you've made the point many times in your work that language creation/alteration is *not* for everyone. 1271146;1442042861;trinque;and that's exactly what we've done, more ways than matter to list 1271147;1442043276;mircea_popescu;im not even sure it's any sort of alteration above and beyond simple decay through disuse. 1271148;1442043323;mircea_popescu;byzantium when it fell to the turks was 4-5 villages lost among pastures surrounded by ancient walls, and american english is similarly a huge complex architecture maitnained by the remnants of a leper colony 1271149;1442043403;*;mircea_popescu is naming his heroes in this game, and he decided all the thieves get stripper names (for obvious reasons) that start with the letter c. 1271150;1442043412;*;mircea_popescu got through ~4 before going to the internet. 1271151;1442043427;*;mircea_popescu discovered he had got candi and candice on his very own! 1271152;1442043432;trinque;haha 1271153;1442043441;trinque;brandi 1271154;1442043442;mircea_popescu;i also have cherysse which apparently is my own invention 1271155;1442043446;mircea_popescu;b is the new c ? 1271156;1442043455;trinque;whoops, lol 1271157;1442043461;mircea_popescu;shit chastity i shoulda thoiught oif that! 1271158;1442043482;mircea_popescu;ty internets. you might not know wtf fractals are, but you certainly spring the goods when it comes to naming strippers. 1271159;1442043489;mircea_popescu;mon etrange oncle l'internet. 1271160;1442043540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00075241 = 8.9537 BTC [+] {2} 1271161;1442044211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33710 @ 0.00075276 = 25.3755 BTC [+] 1271162;1442044272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9058 @ 0.00075283 = 6.8191 BTC [+] 1271163;1442045881;punkman;;;later tell asciilifeform my ugly solution to patch conflicts http://dpaste.com/03TADM8 1271164;1442045883;assbot;dpaste: 03TADM8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7I4w7 ) 1271165;1442045883;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271166;1442045980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00074423 = 25.0061 BTC [-] 1271167;1442046956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00074325 = 17.1691 BTC [-] {2} 1271168;1442047139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00074087 = 4.8527 BTC [-] 1271169;1442049030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.00075283 = 3.0173 BTC [+] 1271170;1442049091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6992 @ 0.00075346 = 5.2682 BTC [+] 1271171;1442050022;deedbot-;[Trilema] Nude Nuns With Big Guns - http://trilema.com/2015/nude-nuns-with-big-guns/ 1271172;1442050494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00074815 = 7.3319 BTC [-] 1271173;1442052215;phf;mircea_popescu: iirc that was before ukraine. << that was indeed before ukraine. i saw a few of my well trained, but otherwise bummy friends with "business" go oh well party is over and switch to sberbank financial analyst positions or somesuch. 1271174;1442052357;phf;last time i was there, friends lamented that you can't get real parmesan for real pasta and have to make do with inferior russian knockoffs. if i make it to moscow in the next few weeks, will be curious to see where the whole party is at now. 1271175;1442052483;phf;but splurging on the latest iphone is definitely the last thing on their minds 1271176;1442052568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00075387 = 36.7512 BTC [+] {4} 1271177;1442053010;punkman;http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9628942/if-you-want-a-genuinely-humane-approach-to-refugees-follow-tony-abbotts-australia/ 1271178;1442053013;assbot;Turning back refugee boats saves lives - as Australia found out » The Spectator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpDTrq ) 1271179;1442053056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35582 @ 0.00075288 = 26.789 BTC [-] 1271180;1442053126;phf;ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple << there's three apples in my mind, 90s one, the early 2000s one when programmers migrated from linux to a unix that Just Works, and the post iphone explosion apple. the first two are dead (10.10 is the final reason i froze my setup and migrating my entire stack away). but my point is that maybe you guys are just arguin 1271181;1442053126;phf;g second vs. third 1271182;1442053422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7918 @ 0.00075288 = 5.9613 BTC [-] 1271183;1442053894;mircea_popescu;well on the other front, i just got taken to the only actual pizzeria in buenos aires 1271184;1442053925;mircea_popescu;there's >10k dubious establishments that pretend all sorts of things, up to and including HAVING INVENTED THE DAMNED THING, but otherwise never saw one. 1271185;1442054443;cazalla;what is your position on pepperoni on pizza mircea_popescu ? 1271186;1442054455;mircea_popescu;depends on the pizza. 1271187;1442054459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00074643 = 7.6337 BTC [-] 1271188;1442054501;cazalla;for those who never read (and now watch) maddox on pizza https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=13&v=u5AZhjhbxf8 1271189;1442054502;assbot;Pepperoni is for assholes and idiots. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpF9ut ) 1271190;1442054555;phf;you mean like a bell pepper pizza? 1271191;1442054596;punkman;I'd rather have bacon than pepperoni 1271192;1442054737;mircea_popescu;i somehow doubt people who call salami "pepperoni" ever had proper salami anyway. 1271193;1442054796;phf;mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays " << wolfram's "new kind of science" is all about "this one thing i generated kind of looks like this complicated process, maybe they are related? i feel like they are!" 1271194;1442054823;mircea_popescu;but no, you're not supposed to eat american processed meats, if that's actually what you had in mind. if what you had in mind was actual salami, say with peppercorns or something... sure. 1271195;1442054855;mircea_popescu;phf they can go discover the moscow school of psychology for all i fucking care. idiots. 1271196;1442054925;cazalla;tbh was more trying to bait you into a maddox is the best/worst discussion 1271197;1442054946;mircea_popescu;aok then. F. 1271198;1442055045;mircea_popescu;<phf> you mean like a bell pepper pizza? << absurdly the us figure spicy salami can be propperly called "pepperoni", which is normally a veggie. 1271199;1442055058;punkman;mircea_popescu: so what's your favorite pizza? 1271200;1442055089;mircea_popescu;mmm. i dun think so. 1271201;1442055140;mircea_popescu;most recently i've had white pizza with fried chicken and artichoke and margherita with extra anchovies 1271202;1442055160;cazalla;i'm not even sure if you can buy proper meats like prosciutto down under 1271203;1442055166;mircea_popescu;the former home made because srsly i have never seen a restaurant that made edible white pizza 1271204;1442055194;punkman;white pizza, cream instead of tomato sauce? 1271205;1442055199;mircea_popescu;bechamel 1271206;1442055233;punkman;never seen that in a shop indeed, sounds like a good idea 1271207;1442055257;mircea_popescu;;) 1271208;1442055278;punkman;I have some kilos of artichoke hearts in the freezer 1271209;1442055328;mircea_popescu;cut the chicken in very long thin strips and butter fry them lightly, can also add sautee'd eggplant 1271210;1442055338;mircea_popescu;(if you sautee the eggplant first, then you use the butter to sauce...) 1271211;1442055374;punkman;kitchen oven usually doesn't cut it for pizza 1271212;1442055391;mircea_popescu;stick a slab of somerock or other in the oven 1271213;1442055411;mircea_popescu;in spite of pretense to the contrary, nobody can tell teh difference. 1271214;1442055436;mircea_popescu;you just can't do it on a metal surface is all. 1271215;1442055528;punkman;not too hard to find a proper stone oven around here, though I don't have one at home 1271216;1442056030;punkman;http://www.sbs.com.au/food/recipes/stuffed-eggplants-bechamel-papoutsakia 1271217;1442056034;assbot;Stuffed eggplants with béchamel | Greek recipes | SBS Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol1O0e ) 1271218;1442056130;punkman;and some spanish lulz http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/10/barcelona-fines-banks-60000-for-empty-homes 1271219;1442056131;assbot;Barcelona fines banks €60,000 for empty homes | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol1WwV ) 1271220;1442056205;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIrCnruWEAE8_Dx.jpg:large 1271221;1442056205;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpGxxo ) 1271222;1442056499;mircea_popescu;a classic. 1271223;1442056535;mircea_popescu;(also, the proposed device does not actually work. the female ass is exactly antithetical to the steel ball. negative ricochet factor. fortunately.) 1271224;1442058180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8334 @ 0.00074786 = 6.2327 BTC [+] 1271225;1442059633;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271131 <<< <3 weechat 1271226;1442059633;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 07:10:15; trinque: weechat seems to do better about knowing when to reconnect 1271227;1442060034;shinohai;https://twitter.com/CallMePutin/status/642671659619622912 1271228;1442061962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32270 @ 0.0007463 = 24.0831 BTC [-] {2} 1271229;1442062023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11972 @ 0.00074421 = 8.9097 BTC [-] 1271230;1442062511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28958 @ 0.00075536 = 21.8737 BTC [+] {2} 1271231;1442062572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10799 @ 0.00075625 = 8.1667 BTC [+] {2} 1271232;1442064549;kakobrekla;;;later tell trinque this helps ? https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbets/ 1271233;1442064550;assbot;BitBet Bets Bets ... 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( http://bit.ly/1EU9C7j ) 1271238;1442065034;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271239;1442065665;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271077 << nono! not THAT pocket heater! this one has nothing to do with the common household object (they are sold for about a dollar in public kiosks in usa) 1271240;1442065665;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 06:14:17; mircea_popescu: so : some chemical reactions are strongly exothermic (they give out heat). aluminum salts chief among them. 1271241;1442065725;asciilifeform;the 'pocket heater' in that thread was a gnarly and proprietary (does not exist in public record at all outside of that courtroom) item. 1271242;1442065855;shinohai;Think of the terror they possibly averted asciilifeform 1271243;1442066056;shinohai;I feel better knowing the Federal Bumbling Idiots kept me safe from a college professor. 1271244;1442066317;asciilifeform;shinohai: trial was for scamming 1271245;1442066369;asciilifeform;shinohai: supposedly 'foreign devil's shill worked for american corp under false pretences, stealing everything and laughing all the way to the bank' 1271246;1442066428;shinohai;ah ha 1271247;1442066449;nubbins`;any of you nerds own a nintendo 3ds? 1271248;1442066463;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc diametric does 1271249;1442066472;nubbins`;;;seen diametric 1271250;1442066472;gribble;diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: punkman: the people paying his employer for their ad services were not getting return on those ads. 1271251;1442066477;nubbins`;hrmph 1271252;1442066504;nubbins`;there's a Lemmings-esque game out for Wii U and 3DS; purchase one version and get a free download code for the other version 1271253;1442066511;nubbins`;i have a wii u, but not a 3ds 1271254;1442066539;nubbins`;http://mariovsdk.nintendo.com/ 1271255;1442066540;assbot;Mario vs. Donkey Kong™: Tipping Stars ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUazwn ) 1271256;1442066604;shinohai;I kind liked the wii, used to play drunken golf and bowling with an ex gf. 1271257;1442066655;nubbins`;frisbee golf > golf 1271258;1442066672;nubbins`;idgaf about "gaming" "CoD" "achievements" etc 1271259;1442066680;nubbins`;but wii u is pretty fun. 1271260;1442066685;nubbins`;good for filthy casuals 1271261;1442066722;nubbins`;plus, mario kart 8. just saying. 1271262;1442067042;shinohai;I still love playing Mario Kart for 64. Had it on an emulator but my current lappy doesn't support the graphics 1271263;1442067603;funkenstein_;mornin' yo 1271264;1442067634;funkenstein_;nice to see you nubbins, coffee is better today :) 1271265;1442067660;funkenstein_;bravo re: fractals are everywhere continuous nowhere differentiable 1271266;1442067697;funkenstein_;i too had cantor's diagonal proof "taught" in jr. high 1271267;1442067706;funkenstein_;but the trouble is it is also taught wrong in a similar way 1271268;1442067749;funkenstein_;"a number like 2 is a rank zero tensor, now you know tensors" 1271269;1442067760;funkenstein_;"a line is self-similar, now you know fractals" 1271270;1442067775;funkenstein_;"sqrt 2 is irrational, now you know uncountable numbers" 1271271;1442067809;funkenstein_;NO! So I was confused for a decade or two 1271272;1442067849;funkenstein_;numbers like sqrt2, pi, e, are members of the set of computable numbers.. which is countable 1271273;1442068085;funkenstein_;seeing how every computer program is an integer 1271274;1442069709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.0007556 = 29.6573 BTC [+] {2} 1271275;1442069770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105200 @ 0.00075648 = 79.5817 BTC [+] {3} 1271276;1442070197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8927 @ 0.00075523 = 6.7419 BTC [-] 1271277;1442072393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.0007574 = 6.0592 BTC [+] {2} 1271278;1442072799;ben_vulpes;regarding the macintoshes 1271279;1442072836;ben_vulpes;mobility is important to me, basically, and these are the only usable even remotely nixy portables being made. 1271280;1442072851;asciilifeform;aha 1271281;1442072865;asciilifeform;i did try to explain this to mircea_popescu 1271282;1442072887;asciilifeform;response was, approximately, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 1271283;1442072887;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.' 1271284;1442072943;ben_vulpes;but in the same way that java (wrapped in the fucked up functional language clojure) and javascript (wrapped in the fucked up functional language clojurescript) are acceptable tools with which to cut wwwtronic code, the mac is an acceptable tool to drag around an office. 1271285;1442072954;ben_vulpes;i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it. 1271286;1442072967;ben_vulpes;along with not carrying a mobile phone. 1271287;1442072993;asciilifeform;said the rich and skilled independent craftsman to the threadbare slave. 1271288;1442073050;ben_vulpes;paugh rich 1271289;1442073057;ben_vulpes;paugh skilled 1271290;1442073060;ben_vulpes;paugh independent 1271291;1442073166;asciilifeform;'can't be fired' ~= 'independent'. 1271292;1442073167;ben_vulpes;"Throughout this whole thing, I keep thinking "perl does that, perl does that, perl does that." 1271293;1442073168;ben_vulpes;Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like." 1271294;1442073184;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: oh i could be fired. 1271295;1442073185;ben_vulpes;trivially. 1271296;1442073197;ben_vulpes;all i have to do is make one misstep with the SJW mob. 1271297;1442073217;asciilifeform;l0l srsly ? i thought ben_vulpes was a travelling www consultant 1271298;1442073228;asciilifeform;walks in, fixes bug, collects bag of benjies, leaves 1271299;1442073332;ben_vulpes;i have a whole company that does this. 1271300;1442073644;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do you have a ware of "the dream machine"? 1271301;1442073655;asciilifeform;? 1271302;1442073687;ben_vulpes;http://www.amazon.com/The-Dream-Machine-Licklider-Revolution/dp/014200135X 1271303;1442073689;assbot;The Dream Machine: J.C.R. Licklider and the Revolution That Made Computing Personal: M. Mitchell Waldrop: 9780142001356: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1XWXNDn ) 1271304;1442073708;asciilifeform;i think i have the dead tree somewhere. 1271305;1442073724;asciilifeform;a great many of licklider's papers are on www. 1271306;1442073756;ben_vulpes;well, 'tis a book about licklider iiuc 1271307;1442073796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.00075791 = 5.3455 BTC [+] 1271308;1442073933;williamdunne;Can someone please give me a signed message to test something with? It can be filled with any old garbage, but has to be a key not on my machine, and saves me the hassle of creating, deleting, importing pubkey to test one message 1271309;1442074019;funkenstein_;https://proxy.sh/canary <-- here's one 1271310;1442074021;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lq1PuK ) 1271311;1442074040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18905 @ 0.00075523 = 14.2776 BTC [-] 1271312;1442074082;williamdunne;Cheers 1271313;1442074276;williamdunne;Yeah that did the job perfectly 1271314;1442075199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4122 @ 0.00075791 = 3.1241 BTC [+] 1271315;1442075382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00075523 = 6.0418 BTC [-] 1271316;1442075810;ben_vulpes;http://imgur.com/hAj0gCT 1271317;1442075811;assbot;German tries to donate food but bag gets stolen - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX2jBV ) 1271318;1442076416;punkman;^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbDT3VE85vg 1271319;1442076417;assbot;Healthy male refugees in Hungary refusing food and water for women and children on train - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX3Gk2 ) 1271320;1442076649;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271163 << did you test this ? 1271321;1442076649;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 08:18:01; punkman: ;;later tell asciilifeform my ugly solution to patch conflicts http://dpaste.com/03TADM8 1271322;1442076723;punkman;asciilifeform: not yet 1271323;1442076813;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271218 << eventually they will cut their losses and demolish. but not yet, because the empties are a kind of bezzle of their own. ftr a good fraction of the town where i live consists of recently built and almost wholly empty dwellings. 1271324;1442076813;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 11:08:50; punkman: and some spanish lulz http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/10/barcelona-fines-banks-60000-for-empty-homes 1271325;1442076825;asciilifeform;they exist to maintain an asset fiction. 1271326;1442076830;asciilifeform;and to keep prices up. 1271327;1442076848;asciilifeform;apparently this works just the same in spain as in usa. 1271328;1442077149;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271318 << plenty of folks are about go get their introductory course 'orcs 101' 1271329;1442077149;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 16:46:56; punkman: ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbDT3VE85vg 1271330;1442077373;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/dodi/2015/DTM-08-052.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/03NTX3T << bureaucracy l0lz 1271331;1442077375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX5Dgr ) 1271332;1442077377;assbot;dpaste: 03NTX3T ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX5DwL ) 1271333;1442077409;asciilifeform;'(2) Significant or Highly Sensitive Matters. A development or circumstance involving an intelligence activity or intelligence personnel that could impugn the reputation or integrity of the DoD Intelligence Community or otherwise call into question the propriety of an intelligence activity. Such matters might be manifested in or by an activity...' 1271334;1442077461;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski https://cryptome.org/2015/09/xiaoxing-xi-files.pdf << the 'chinese spy' case. 1271335;1442077466;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271336;1442077550;trinque;kakobrekla: cool, ty! 1271337;1442077556;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/ 1271338;1442077557;assbot;BitBet Bets Bets ... ( http://bit.ly/1EU9C7j ) 1271339;1442077557;deedbot-;https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/ added. 1271340;1442077609;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99995065 BTC on 'Yes' - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate - http://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/#b3 1271341;1442077610;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b3 1271342;1442077610;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 8.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b14 1271343;1442077611;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b15 1271344;1442077611;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.33000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b16 1271345;1442077612;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b19 1271346;1442077621;trinque;;;later tell pete_dushenski bitbet added to rss feeds 1271347;1442077622;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271348;1442077639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00075523 = 28.7365 BTC [-] 1271349;1442077761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00075807 = 19.9372 BTC [+] {2} 1271350;1442077875;asciilifeform;in other news, http://taler.net << the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out. 1271351;1442077876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX6H3Q ) 1271352;1442077895;asciilifeform;and, disgracefully, 1271353;1442077896;asciilifeform;http://taler.net/news 1271354;1442077896;assbot;GNU Taler - Taxable Anonymous Libre Electronic Reserves: News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX6HRp ) 1271355;1442077902;asciilifeform;^ it is now an 'official gnu project' 1271356;1442077912;asciilifeform;this means, presumably, that fsf/rms signed off on it. 1271357;1442077913;asciilifeform;RIP rms. 1271358;1442077934;asciilifeform;'This page was created using Free Software only.' 1271359;1442077935;asciilifeform;aha. 1271360;1442077964;asciilifeform;'This arse rape was performed using Free Cock only.' 1271361;1442078006;asciilifeform;'Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can easily track their citizen's income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes. Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market.' 1271362;1442078174;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271360 <<< Rather succinct and accurate. 1271363;1442078174;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 17:12:44; asciilifeform: 'This arse rape was performed using Free Cock only.' 1271364;1442078735;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271180 << this is one of those 'dead' things to which the only serious alternative, for most users, is... its own reanimated, frankensteinian corpse. and little else. 1271365;1442078735;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 10:18:46; phf: ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple << there's three apples in my mind, 90s one, the early 2000s one when programmers migrated from linux to a unix that Just Works, and the post iphone explosion apple. the first two are dead (10.10 is the final reason i froze my setup and migrating my entire stack away). but my point is that 1271366;1442078897;asciilifeform;last year, i was given several $k by the fella i work for, to buy whatever machine i wanted, so long as it was portable. ended up with top-of-the-line (at the time) 'lenovo', and WHEN USING ONLY FREE SOFT despite MONTHS of effort, neither battery, nor 'suspend mode', nor EXTERNDAL DISPAY OF ANY KIND work. 1271367;1442078901;asciilifeform;*external 1271368;1442078985;asciilifeform;and the hardware itself, despite being widely praised, is shit - firm ended up with three of these machines, and one has developed mysterious cancers (runs win7, but if using anything else, hangs - sometimes during GRUB (!!!) or shortly after boot) while another - mine - has flaky wireless 1271369;1442079049;asciilifeform;i shit thee not, a machine that suddenly decided that it won't even get through 'grub' 9 out of 10 times, but runs winblowz just fine. a year into its life. 1271370;1442079101;kakobrekla;thinkpads died years ago. 1271371;1442079105;asciilifeform;yes 1271372;1442079106;asciilifeform;they did. 1271373;1442079110;asciilifeform;TO BE REPLACED BY NOTHING 1271374;1442079117;asciilifeform;except worse thinkpad. 1271375;1442079121;phf;there are two lenovos, which are entirely different products 1271376;1442079131;asciilifeform;phf: this was the 'heavy industrial' one. 1271377;1442079155;trinque;asciilifeform: I've got the x1 carbon and the fucking hinge broke 1271378;1442079167;phf;i meant to say there are two thinkpads 1271379;1442079174;trinque;I'm about to epoxy the thing 1271380;1442079193;asciilifeform;w540. 1271381;1442079194;kakobrekla;i have a few x220 (which seem better than x230 which the girl uses) 1271382;1442079200;phf;i actually think apple killed thinkpad 1271383;1442079228;trinque;murder-suicide? 1271384;1442079232;phf;aye 1271385;1442079240;asciilifeform;how did apple kill it 1271386;1442079243;asciilifeform;i dun get it 1271387;1442079260;trinque;macbook pro did seem to step into the "professional computer" role 1271388;1442079277;kakobrekla;and ips seems to be quite scarce among non apple. sux0r. i cant see a tn anymore. 1271389;1442079279;trinque;I recall before that it was IBM thinkpads 1271390;1442079283;asciilifeform;thing is, i can entirely predict, i think, what mircea_popescu will say: 'your life choices are wrong, you should not need a laptop' 1271391;1442079292;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: yes, FUCK tn. 1271392;1442079296;phf;what trinque said 1271393;1442079319;kakobrekla;yeah, got ips on mine. 1271394;1442079328;kakobrekla;you can actually upgrade some old tps to ips. 1271395;1442079344;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: funny thing is, a number of the other folks where i work got top-of-the-line 'macbooks' - one had spontaneous lcd crack a few weeks later, the other - reboots by itself... 1271396;1442079345;kakobrekla;minimal amount of sawing required. 1271397;1442079371;kakobrekla;heh toys. 1271398;1442079380;funkenstein_;as I see it the reason to have a crapple is you can pretend to know nothing about computers 1271399;1442079393;kakobrekla;i havent had any bad luck with mine. 1271400;1442079404;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: since you apparently missed the whole thread, the reason is TO HAVE A PORTABLE UNIX BOX THAT EVEN SORT-OF WORKS 1271401;1442079410;funkenstein_;once i moved to only open source software I have to install linux on a few laptops every month 1271402;1442079420;funkenstein_;12 year old girl installed debian on a dell box the other day 1271403;1442079428;funkenstein_;i put xubuntu on an asus box last week 1271404;1442079430;funkenstein_;all work 1271405;1442079444;funkenstein_;qubes on a lenovo box here at the moment 1271406;1442079445;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: what res display ? 1271407;1442079456;kakobrekla;well just once. i was trying to see how sturdy it is. and i broke it. was an easy change of part tho. 1271408;1442079464;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: and did you PERSONALLY build the kernel, without closed blobs ? 1271409;1442079479;funkenstein_;no, live-signed-iso 1271410;1442079489;asciilifeform;then you may as well have a crapple. 1271411;1442079492;trinque;my gentoo install on the x1 is entirely adequate, can suspend 1271412;1442079497;trinque;don't ask me what I did to make it work, though 1271413;1442079497;funkenstein_;lol wut? 1271414;1442079500;asciilifeform;trinque: what res lcd 1271415;1442079509;kakobrekla;crappy 1271416;1442079510;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: you are running a closed turd 1271417;1442079514;trinque;asciilifeform: 2560x1440 1271418;1442079534;kakobrekla;thats tn ? 1271419;1442079550;trinque;what's "tn" ? 1271420;1442079565;kakobrekla;tn matrix of the lcd screen 1271421;1442079588;asciilifeform;trinque: there are two major chemistries, 'tn' ('twist-nematic') and the superior 'ips' 1271422;1442079589;phf;funkenstein_: when gentoo came out it had a reputation of being a "ricer" os, like how people put spoilers on cheap cars to make them "racing cars". all you need to know is how to tweak a few flags, and then spend a night watching a compilation log. of course these days ~even that~ is an arcane skill 1271423;1442079592;asciilifeform;(in-plane switch) 1271424;1442079608;trinque;ah, it's IPS 1271425;1442079625;asciilifeform;phf: the point of gentoo, in my view (i've been on it for more than a decade, freebsd before that) is to BANISH CRAP from machine 1271426;1442079638;asciilifeform;i don't want anything on my box I DIDN'T PUT THERE. 1271427;1442079639;trinque;^ package.mask and -useflag 1271428;1442079655;asciilifeform;aha. plus judicious package selection in the first place. 1271429;1442079670;phf;asciilifeform: these days it is, yes. back then the little amount of crap you had could be manually removed by patching your deb package or whatever 1271430;1442079684;asciilifeform;fuck 'remove' 1271431;1442079691;asciilifeform;i don't want the cockroaches in the kitchen to begin with 1271432;1442079698;asciilifeform;even if could, theoretically, 'remove' with tweezers. 1271433;1442079740;phf;asciilifeform: it's not theoretical. base set of debian packages was fairly clean in 2005, and the few that you wanted to behave your way, you could ~trivially~ modify 1271434;1442079759;kakobrekla;trinque whats the buttery time on that thing 1271435;1442079760;phf;in ~2015~ it's a different story, and i'm not arguing the value of gentoo here 1271436;1442079808;trinque;kakobrekla: claims 9hrs; I would expect with heavy use it's more like half that. 1271437;1442079814;punkman;phf: and in 2006 it had that nice rng bug 1271438;1442079824;kakobrekla;fuck claims, thats rand()+2 1271439;1442079854;trinque;yep, so I would say I've gotten 3-4hrs while coding out 1271440;1442079869;phf;punkman: debian is older, so would show signs of cancer earlier 1271441;1442079992;phf;this is also roughly the period when people running various unixes on their thinkpads imho decided that as long as you have to deal with shitty code, might as well use a mac, which let you run same userspace, at the time still had an opensource kernel, etc. 1271442;1442080020;phf;but would play videos, do projectors and connect to wifi, or whatever was the pet peeve. battery life 1271443;1442080048;trinque;well "desktop linux" was an utter fail 1271444;1442080075;trinque;so you either spend the inordinate amount of time I have writing your own tools for the "desktop" or pay someone who already handled that for you 1271445;1442080076;asciilifeform;trinque: laptop linux - yes, fail. 1271446;1442080126;asciilifeform;cannot be made to work ~decently~ (that means thinkpad w540 or AT LEAST that level of hardware) for ANY AMOUNT of money 1271447;1442080139;trinque;and this tape-job holding emacs and stumpwm (and now conkeror) together is hideous 1271448;1442080147;phf;desktop linux destroyed linux as a system for professional workstations. poetering (or whatever) made his name on desktop-ification of subsystems that were supposedly "hard for common user" 1271449;1442080167;trinque;if gabriel_laddel's is masamune, I guess mine can be "sting" 1271450;1442080172;asciilifeform;phf: the thing is, it is still possible to run linux as if it were 2005. 1271451;1442080184;asciilifeform;it just requires having-been-doing-it-since-2000 1271452;1442080219;trinque;when I say desktop, I mean place where I tape together system functionality into functions I use in daily work 1271453;1442080239;asciilifeform;this is why i'm fundamentally in agreement with mircea_popescu's traditional retort 'go back in time and make better life choices'. but it applies just the same to my own sins, just different ones, not involving linux 1271454;1442080287;trinque;asciilifeform: yep, don't need pulseaudio for sound (even with mixing!), don't need networkmanager for internet connection (even wifi!), don't need systemd... dont need... 1271455;1442080295;asciilifeform;aha 1271456;1442080319;asciilifeform;but go an find a ~portable~ box with high-res ips lcd, with RECENT cpu, that runs without blobs. 1271457;1442080321;trinque;"container support" in kernel, don't need it. 1271458;1442080332;asciilifeform;hell, increasingly difficult to get a stationary box that runs blobless. 1271459;1442080354;punkman;it starts with "recent" cpu 1271460;1442080378;asciilifeform;punkman: it is so wrong to asl for at least the performance of my 2007 desktop in the portable? 1271461;1442080384;asciilifeform;*ask for 1271462;1442080406;trinque;this is why that packet-parsing networking device interests me so much. 1271463;1442080420;asciilifeform;what's that to do with it 1271464;1442080427;trinque;could consider your computers "bubble-boy", unfit to interact directly with the outside world 1271465;1442080437;trinque;the "blobs" for example, the concern is attack vector, right? 1271466;1442080437;asciilifeform;trinque: anyone who wants to abandon the net can do it right now. 1271467;1442080441;asciilifeform;trinque: NO 1271468;1442080448;trinque;then what? 1271469;1442080449;asciilifeform;trinque: this is a common misconception. has nothing to do with attacks. 1271470;1442080457;asciilifeform;recall 'act from cause not purpose' ? 1271471;1442080461;trinque;I do. 1271472;1442080465;asciilifeform;it has fuck-all to do with 'attacks' 1271473;1442080471;asciilifeform;and more to do with 'my machine is mentally mine' 1271474;1442080502;trinque;a businessman might begin with creating the network device, then later try to build a boy that needs no bubble 1271475;1442080508;asciilifeform;it has to do with 'i will not deliberately introduce undebuggable faults into my life' 1271476;1442080514;asciilifeform;enough of them as it is. 1271477;1442080527;asciilifeform;trinque: the businessman will go broke. 1271478;1442080547;asciilifeform;because 'the market' demands web2.0 anal rogering simulators 1271479;1442080551;asciilifeform;not sanity. 1271480;1442080591;asciilifeform;the market value of sanity, if you haven't yet noticed, is $0. 1271481;1442080685;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220518 << see also. 1271482;1442080685;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 05:46:04; mircea_popescu: taci si suge. 1271483;1442080689;trinque;people buy derpy firewall devices all the time 1271484;1442080699;asciilifeform;'people' also buy horoscopes. 1271485;1442080700;asciilifeform;what of it. 1271486;1442080706;asciilifeform;go, sell horoscopes. 1271487;1442080730;phf;asciilifeform: i don't think "having-been-doing-it-since-2000" is true, naggum ran into the main issue when he tried to run his own fork of 19 without the mule braindamage, gave up since merging changesets becomes unproductive. i think somewhere around those emails he talks about how he no longer has stamina to review new changes that are introduced into his system, and that's 2001 or so 1271488;1442080750;asciilifeform;notice he retired and shortly died (of preventable diseases) 1271489;1442080762;asciilifeform;he more or less gave up on life, after failing to find the answer to this. 1271490;1442081004;asciilifeform;earlier, he gave up on publishing his work openly, at all, as described in http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html 1271491;1442081005;assbot;Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKBnPu ) 1271492;1442081051;asciilifeform;'All of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon. It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need. As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted is hard to impossible.' 1271493;1442081057;phf;well, i have a 2.4 box that runs "if your dodgy stack fails, this must remain" operations, like email, sms, incidentally that is also last version i can find my way around (pretty sure massive amd/intel commit blogs came later), but it's impractical to use it as main system, unless you go to extreme measures of "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style 1271494;1442081075;trinque;right, it's an economic problem.. 1271495;1442081096;trinque;which is why I keep bringing up incremental products along the way to rebuilding computing 1271496;1442081100;asciilifeform;'Grow up, graduate, marry, start a family, buy a house, have an accident, get seriously ill for a while, or a number of other very expensive things people actually do all the time, and the value of your work starts to get very real and concrete to you, at which point giving away things to be "nice" to some "community" which turns out not to be "nice" _enough_ in return that you will actually stay alive, is no longer an option.' 1271497;1442081118;trinque;I've seen men before that fixated on a desired end result so much that they didn't bother with the intermediate steps at all. 1271498;1442081124;asciilifeform;trinque: aha, get to the moon by stacking chairs. i'll watch. 1271499;1442081126;trinque;they (economically, at least) died 1271500;1442081134;trinque;that's just a metaphor 1271501;1442081142;trinque;all businesses that grow operate like this 1271502;1442081143;asciilifeform;it is an almost exact analogy 1271503;1442081155;asciilifeform;trinque: and THAT is why no one has rebuilt computing. 1271504;1442081182;asciilifeform;because it is a fundamentally countereconomic act. 1271505;1442081194;asciilifeform;because no one pays for sunlight. 1271506;1442081205;asciilifeform;and sunlight that can be charged for is not sunlight. 1271507;1442081208;trinque;that cartels sell crack and heroin does not preclude them from whatever other activities they might undertake 1271508;1442081226;asciilifeform;trinque: in practice, it does. 1271509;1442081261;asciilifeform;what great cultural products ought i look for from the sellers of crack ? 1271510;1442081273;trinque;owning the southern united states someday. 1271511;1442081283;asciilifeform;and when the cockroaches own it? 1271512;1442081290;asciilifeform;i should look for great cultural product from them ? 1271513;1442081304;asciilifeform;'owning' is easy, it merely requires the other contenders to die. 1271514;1442081311;trinque;ever read Egan's thing about Colombian biotech-lords? 1271515;1442081318;asciilifeform;aha 1271516;1442081323;asciilifeform;notice that they exist only in fiction. 1271517;1442081332;asciilifeform;'nido de ladrones', yes 1271518;1442081396;asciilifeform;fact is, dealing dope is rather like, e.g., smelting aluminum, but much more so: attracts eminently practical types with zero imagination. by necessity. 1271519;1442081461;trinque;I don't underestimate anyone who can handle that level of organizational complexity 1271520;1442081492;trinque;but the analogy was that one could sell technological dope to fund research on the other thing 1271521;1442081499;trinque;the competition is nonexistent 1271522;1442081501;asciilifeform;a gigantic stone on which you can build a skyscraper also 'handles great organizational complexity' 1271523;1442081513;asciilifeform;trinque: competition for what? 1271524;1442081543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36199 @ 0.00075849 = 27.4566 BTC [+] {2} 1271525;1442081553;asciilifeform;the dope lord who funds groundbreaking research is an imaginary animal. 1271526;1442081564;asciilifeform;not the least reason for this is that research PER SE is now a lemon market. 1271527;1442081573;trinque;just means we need another war 1271528;1442081578;trinque;humans are getting lazy 1271529;1442081599;asciilifeform;trinque: too lazy even for proper war. 1271530;1442081623;asciilifeform;and if it were to be fought, it will be fought with museum pieces from 1950s (all modern aircraft, for instance, are) and the next war will be fought with bow and arrow. 1271531;1442081652;trinque;I think the problem with the idiocracy idea is precisely "here is everywhere" 1271532;1442081659;asciilifeform;but it is. 1271533;1442081671;trinque;every time one group weakens and falls inward, someone else is there to skullfuck them 1271534;1442081727;asciilifeform;since mircea_popescu is asleep, i will have to fill in for him and point out that cockroaches COULD develop civilization after ten million years of inhabiting the burned-out husks of the skyscrapers. 1271535;1442081735;asciilifeform;but this is not interesting to me personally. 1271536;1442081748;phf;i guess ascii's point is that skullfuckers are not particularly good at ic design, etc. 1271537;1442081756;trinque;heh, there are those social spiders in the Congo 1271538;1442081764;asciilifeform;they are no good even at basic literacy and opsec. 1271539;1442081771;asciilifeform;to the point of being cattle for washington. 1271540;1442081782;asciilifeform;yes, every last 'phreedom fighter' in the desert. 1271541;1442081782;trinque;phf: the germans weren't that great once upon a time, then they came around 1271542;1442081878;asciilifeform;then they lost a war and got culturally annihilated and enslaved by the anglos. 1271543;1442081902;phf;trinque: it took an awfully long time, i want my utopia tomorrow! 1271544;1442081905;asciilifeform;there are no germans today, as surely as there are no romans. 1271545;1442081906;trinque;then the anglos fall and maybe the muslims shape up 1271546;1442081920;asciilifeform;trinque: they had ~1500 years to 'shape up' 1271547;1442081932;asciilifeform;some equilibria are very stable. egypt carried on for well over 5,000 yrs 1271548;1442081971;trinque;phf: haven't found starfleet yet, nor even a used Firefly in a junkyard 1271549;1442082023;asciilifeform;trinque: familiar with 'what do you expect me to do? -- no mr bond, we expect you to die!' ? 1271550;1442082034;trinque;haha, yes 1271551;1442082042;asciilifeform;trinque: there is not a handy answer to 'what should culture man stuck in a dying civilization do' 1271552;1442082050;asciilifeform;*cultured 1271553;1442082097;phf;asciilifeform: they are no good even at basic literacy and opsec. << those andrei toom's articles... 1271554;1442082098;trinque;you're talking to a guy who dropped out of university when he realized he'd fallen for a cardboard movie set of a university 1271555;1442082140;asciilifeform;phf: didja miss the part where he lives in brazil and has to fight off complains from little gurlz who NEED their straight-A marks ? 1271556;1442082144;asciilifeform;*compaints 1271557;1442082168;asciilifeform;trinque: and now you get to enjoy the cardboard set of a software industry, aha 1271558;1442082169;phf;asciilifeform: oh i'm bringing them up in support to what you just said, so no 1271559;1442082180;asciilifeform;ah 1271560;1442082488;phf;reminds me of michael brin stoping and erasing a proof midway explanation while loudly proclaiming "you idiots wouldn't understand this anyway", but then his son, sergey brin, presumably outfitted umd data centers, etc. 1271561;1442082522;asciilifeform;the former, i saw alive 1271562;1442082531;asciilifeform;the latter, can go and pound sand. 1271563;1442082555;asciilifeform;(the old man, incidentally, no longer teaches here. if he is alive still, he is far away and retired.) 1271564;1442082681;phf;http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=761872 << michael brin "rating" 1271565;1442082682;assbot;Michael Brin at University of Maryland - RateMyProfessors.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKGv6e ) 1271566;1442082781;phf;i remember having many lulz finding it last time, not sure if same website, but idea is the same "omg!!!worst prof eva!11" 1271567;1442083034;asciilifeform;best class i ever flunked. 1271568;1442083111;asciilifeform;it would not be an exaggeration to say that if it were not for this man, i would be a 'respectable' dunning-krugerized waste of space somewhere, with delusions of 'knowing maths' 1271569;1442083173;asciilifeform;he was a true master of teaching a kid exactly how worthless of a worm he is. 1271570;1442083178;asciilifeform;the kid, that is 1271571;1442083196;asciilifeform;this is generally not taught in american schools. 1271572;1442083287;asciilifeform;oliver heaviside wrote cryptically of the important life-cycle step of 'earning one's worm' 1271573;1442083294;asciilifeform;i think i know just what he meant. 1271574;1442083519;phf;hehe, i too had to take it twice. i skipped a semester to take it with brin again, and "applied myself" that time 1271575;1442083722;asciilifeform;http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2012/09/the-problem-with-oliver-heaviside.html << fairly good summary of mr h, for n00bz 1271576;1442083724;assbot;The Problem with Oliver Heaviside - Providentia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKJI5N ) 1271577;1442083748;asciilifeform;(from my familiarity with the - very few - primary sources, it is accurate.) 1271578;1442084725;asciilifeform;phf: interestingly, around the time dr. b retired, i fished a full ru set of knuth's aop from the library's garbage bin, along with a few dozen other (some, crumbling from age) maths texts, also ru 1271579;1442084734;asciilifeform;can't help but wonder if they belonged to him. 1271580;1442084869;phf;re heaviside i don't grok how he could work in a hot room 1271581;1442084878;asciilifeform;me neither. 1271582;1442084893;asciilifeform;but i suspect that we all have requirements that seem equally nonsensical to other people. 1271583;1442084970;asciilifeform;i, for instance, can't think about any deep problem when in a place where human speech is happening, or bodies are in motion. 1271584;1442085142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22156 @ 0.00075632 = 16.757 BTC [-] 1271585;1442085147;phf;me neither, but i thought that was norm. also makes me think that bullpen programming offices are a conspiracy 1271586;1442085165;phf;actually wait i see your point 1271587;1442085239;phf;i was once laughed out of interview for suggesting that i want an office with a door that i can close on demand 1271588;1442085556;asciilifeform;phf: that is because employment in usa is a 'dominance game' first and useful work second. 1271589;1442085634;asciilifeform;if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work. 1271590;1442085636;asciilifeform;hence the laughter. 1271591;1442085874;asciilifeform;only mba gets to play tetris behind a closing door. 1271592;1442086606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00075691 = 25.7349 BTC [+] 1271593;1442088817;mircea_popescu;!up i-dont-know2 1271594;1442089619;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271245 <<< you misspelled thrice cursed dog. 1271595;1442089619;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 13:59:29; asciilifeform: shinohai: supposedly 'foreign devil's shill worked for american corp under false pretences, stealing everything and laughing all the way to the bank' 1271596;1442089688;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271265 << aha. 1271597;1442089688;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 14:21:00; funkenstein_: bravo re: fractals are everywhere continuous nowhere differentiable 1271598;1442089714;mircea_popescu;which... you know, i slept on this, and it occurs to me that ACTUAL MATHEMATICS might be the perfect thing to implement over V. 1271599;1442089725;mircea_popescu;now if only i was in prison and i had the fucking undisturbed time to actually do this. 1271600;1442089787;mircea_popescu;but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species. 1271601;1442089792;asciilifeform;l0lwut 1271602;1442089797;mircea_popescu;yes! 1271603;1442089805;asciilifeform;it's just a bloody graph walker 1271604;1442089812;asciilifeform;where is this magic mircea_popescu sees. 1271605;1442089814;mircea_popescu;with verified antecedents. 1271606;1442089824;mircea_popescu;that you can follow as far as you wish 1271607;1442089847;asciilifeform;there are no guarantees of correctness, only provenance. 1271608;1442089852;mircea_popescu;a half-baked implementation of V is what i had been maintaining in my head throughout my schooling years. 1271609;1442089855;mircea_popescu;that's all that's needed. 1271610;1442089862;asciilifeform;pretty much what everyone does, aha. 1271611;1442089870;mircea_popescu;so then there's the magic. 1271612;1442089884;mircea_popescu;the magic of fully inclusive simplicity. 1271613;1442089887;asciilifeform;then yes. 1271614;1442089906;asciilifeform;but nobody had to wait for the proggy to do this, all thinking people have done it always. 1271615;1442089917;mircea_popescu;dude, nobody had to wait for glass to do chemistry either 1271616;1442089923;asciilifeform;l0l 1271617;1442089926;mircea_popescu;thinking people had meta-glass throughout! 1271618;1442089957;asciilifeform;pottery is almost glass for almost any purpose not involving optics... 1271619;1442089965;mircea_popescu;or reuse. 1271620;1442089969;asciilifeform;aha 1271621;1442089976;mircea_popescu;more like d'oh. 1271622;1442089991;mircea_popescu;corpses are almost pregnant women for almost any purposes 1271623;1442089997;mircea_popescu;everyone eventually dies anyway rite. 1271624;1442090002;*;asciilifeform falls down 1271625;1442090029;asciilifeform;and perhaps now mircea_popescu figured out how i got on my 'computer algebra' kick in recent months. 1271626;1442090039;mircea_popescu;problem is the people giving the latter peripueral fever didn't really realise 1271627;1442090045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, i fucking mentioned derive okay! 1271628;1442090051;asciilifeform;aha 1271629;1442090054;mircea_popescu;I AM AHEAD OF YOU HA-HA! 1271630;1442090079;asciilifeform;not only mentioned, but got to derive slightly before i did ! 1271631;1442090082;mircea_popescu;this is starting to feel like fucking highschool all over again. shit, i missed that. 1271632;1442090086;mircea_popescu;b-a philosopher's stone. 1271633;1442090099;mircea_popescu;i am now young again. 1271634;1442090270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point re peripueral fever is important. see, the people DIDNT KNOW pottery is no good for reuse. so couldn't get to chemistry. guess why ? 1271635;1442090280;mircea_popescu;for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts 1271636;1442090289;mircea_popescu;which in chemistry happen to be pure reagents. 1271637;1442090309;mircea_popescu;so they ended up with an exact equivalent of "idiosyncratic medium, creative artistry" 1271638;1442090318;mircea_popescu;which is to say, fucking divination and assorted theatrical bullshit. 1271639;1442090429;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271268 <<< fuicking americans. "i name this land This Land it is therefore my own now". 1271640;1442090429;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 14:22:29; funkenstein_: "a number like 2 is a rank zero tensor, now you know tensors" 1271641;1442090486;mircea_popescu;ontogenesis repeats all the accidents of phylogenesis in a distorted, cursed form. 1271642;1442090693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00075691 = 34.2123 BTC [+] 1271643;1442090757;shinohai;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34229439 <<< Obame declares attacks "unacceptable", continues to use Windows. 1271644;1442090759;assbot;Obama: China cyber attacks 'unacceptable' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiluAk ) 1271645;1442090773;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271247 <<< ya, i do 1271646;1442090773;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 14:00:49; nubbins`: any of you nerds own a nintendo 3ds? 1271647;1442090841;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271252 <<< sky3ds is even better version! 1271648;1442090841;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 14:01:44; nubbins`: there's a Lemmings-esque game out for Wii U and 3DS; purchase one version and get a free download code for the other version 1271649;1442090898;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271635 << almost exact restatement of my 'yc news' comment turd from decade ago, aha 1271650;1442090898;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 20:38:00; mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts 1271651;1442090910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform intended reference to it. 1271652;1442091049;asciilifeform;'But he said that China should fear confrontation online: "I guarantee you we will win if we have to."' << l0l!! 1271653;1442091081;asciilifeform;mein fuhrer, revoke the untermenschen scum's winblowz licenses ! 1271654;1442091107;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1271655;1442091114;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is this guy again ? 1271656;1442091119;shinohai;xD 1271657;1442091133;mircea_popescu;i have a dead sand nigger on file, but his name was spelled differently. 1271658;1442091144;asciilifeform;muppet in chief. 1271659;1442091158;mircea_popescu;so was the reported death exaggerated or the name misspelled or what gives. 1271660;1442091299;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271281 << you can try all you want, i've seen mod6 's portable openbsd. so has ben_vulpes 1271661;1442091299;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 15:47:45; asciilifeform: i did try to explain this to mircea_popescu 1271662;1442091307;asciilifeform;on ancient shitbook 1271663;1442091309;mircea_popescu;there is nothing magical about "portable" 1271664;1442091313;asciilifeform;ah but there is. 1271665;1442091323;mircea_popescu;what, you needed to render the film of fucking stoya in your hotel room ? 1271666;1442091326;asciilifeform;if you need 4K lcd 1271667;1442091350;mircea_popescu;i must have missed this, when did she gatecrash. 1271668;1442091354;asciilifeform;kakobrekla also explained, non-ips lcd is agony to look at. 1271669;1442091374;*;mircea_popescu won't have it. 1271670;1442091447;*;asciilifeform works with items such as logic analyzer, pc emulators, etc. and ~needs~ 16-32 GB of ram, for instance, and the fastest cpu available. and yes, it has to be portable. 1271671;1442091455;asciilifeform;and no, i don't crypto on it. 1271672;1442091465;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271285 << i hear emplacing a workstation is the first step to building a Dark Spire of Darnkess, from which as we all know all atomic dirigibles must proceed. 1271673;1442091465;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 15:49:14; ben_vulpes: i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it. 1271674;1442091509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i actualy had to do that i'd hire a mexican to drag a desktop and use special cabling before i'd use a fucking proprietary laptop. 1271675;1442091513;mircea_popescu;i want to own my own mexicans. 1271676;1442091534;asciilifeform;this a contradiction in terms because a mircea_popescu, with his slave army, would never be in such a position to begin with. 1271677;1442091547;mircea_popescu;why not ? i might have to logic analyze 1271678;1442091557;mircea_popescu;it's really vice-versa. 1271679;1442091580;mircea_popescu;it's not "this is moot to mp, with army of slaves". it's "he who refuses to buy into, can't help but end up with army of slaves". 1271680;1442091598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu presumably wouldn't do it unless it were sufficiently profitable to justify flying a 'spruice goose' with mobile lab. 1271681;1442091617;asciilifeform;whereas my economic output is barely enough to justify 'own weight in pork.' 1271682;1442091625;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271293 << ironically these are all the reasons i never moved from bash to perl. 1271683;1442091625;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 15:52:48; ben_vulpes: Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like." 1271684;1442091633;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck the undeclared function of if. 1271685;1442091647;asciilifeform;gotta love all the other undeclared idiocy in perl 1271686;1442091651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's another way to say im inefficient :) 1271687;1442091652;asciilifeform;like the 'implicit variable' 1271688;1442091667;mircea_popescu;what's that ? 1271689;1442091700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://perlmaven.com/the-default-variable-of-perl << it 1271690;1442091703;assbot;$_ the default variable of Perl ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4lOSn ) 1271691;1442091726;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out, a magic letter. 1271692;1442091749;asciilifeform;aha, just like dear old fortran 1271693;1442091751;asciilifeform;but messier 1271694;1442091788;mircea_popescu;why is this there, convenience ? 1271695;1442091814;mircea_popescu;is support mandated throughout the whole namespace ? can i assume randomfunction knows of $_ ? 1271696;1442091831;asciilifeform;larry wall is a very interesting fella. he's a linguist by trade (actually by avocation, he's a crackpot missionary for some church or other) 1271697;1442091840;asciilifeform;he wanted an item that would 'be like human language' 1271698;1442091847;asciilifeform;in particular, with regard to extreme context-sensitivity. 1271699;1442091873;asciilifeform;and yes, it is mandated (though one may be able to pull some odd trick with the evaluator and snip it, i would be the last to know) 1271700;1442091883;*;asciilifeform 'hurled' many years ago, no longer perls. 1271701;1442091916;mircea_popescu;you can actually use this to obtain code that compiles to different results can't you ? 1271702;1442091927;asciilifeform;perl is (approximately) interpreted. 1271703;1442091938;asciilifeform;(or i suppose 'jit'-compiled in recent versions) 1271704;1442091953;asciilifeform;but yes, it is the ultimate in obfuscation and nobody-knows-what-the-fuck-the-machine-does 1271705;1442091956;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless $_ can take the value of being a function 1271706;1442091972;asciilifeform;could, yes. 1271707;1442091982;mircea_popescu;so then the result of compiling perl is undecidable ? 1271708;1442092035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00075548 = 21.3045 BTC [-] {3} 1271709;1442092058;mircea_popescu;i guess it would have to be interpreted. 1271710;1442092074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'just in time' compilator is something like a memoized interpreter, yes. 1271711;1442092081;mircea_popescu;aha. 1271712;1442092098;mircea_popescu;compilator lol 1271713;1442092106;mircea_popescu;for asciilifeform won't deign to call that thing a compiler 1271714;1442092179;mircea_popescu;gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear) 1271715;1442092215;phf;afair perl uses multiple namespaces, so $ is explicitly a storage space, i.e. a variable 1271716;1442092216;mircea_popescu;the idea being exactly reproducibility. 1271717;1442092251;mircea_popescu;phf you mean a number not a pointer, and using it to be a function is abuse ? 1271718;1442092355;phf;it's a pointer alright, but if you were to store a function in there, you have to use special syntax to execute it 1271719;1442092357;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/hAj0gCT << very illustrative in the vein of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262882 1271720;1442092358;assbot;German tries to donate food but bag gets stolen - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XX2jBV ) 1271721;1442092358;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 22:33:02; assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head 1271722;1442092366;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271714 << sorta like 'programmer' vs 'coder' in english-speaking lands... 1271723;1442092366;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear) 1271724;1442092381;mircea_popescu;no, the local boys don't need zee german. they are perfecty of age, and perfectly capable to split the goods themselves, which includes the women, which includes his wife. 1271725;1442092384;mircea_popescu;ty for dropping by tho 1271726;1442092457;mircea_popescu;should be fun to see merkel try and tax them. 1271727;1442092473;asciilifeform;tax them ?! l0l! they are the reason ~others~ are to be taxed. 1271728;1442092485;phf;$_=sub() {print 'hello';} but then $_->() to call 1271729;1442092513;phf;it is sad that i have this information stored somewhere in my brain, and that it eventually can be recalled with some prodding 1271730;1442092604;mircea_popescu;phf ok so it is actually separated linguistically. 1271731;1442092655;mircea_popescu;what if i make the program branch, and then load itself as $_ ? 1271732;1442092664;phf;right, there are different namespaces for different kinds of data, like $ is a scalar, @ is a collection, & is a callable, i'm sure other things i forget 1271733;1442092681;mircea_popescu;o hey even better, i use & 1271734;1442092732;mircea_popescu;&=sub(if microsecond time is prime, output [this program but with microsecond+1 tested] ; else if microsecond time si not prime, output [this program]) 1271735;1442092732;gribble;Error: "this" is not a valid command. 1271736;1442092740;phf;hehe 1271737;1442092742;mircea_popescu;then execute it with itself as parameter 1271738;1442092828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00075494 = 2.8688 BTC [-] 1271739;1442092861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would probably enjoy abelson & sussman's classic 'sicp', which contained, in very succinct notation, exercises such as this. 1271740;1442092879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but at least that thing compiles to a fixed form. 1271741;1442092900;asciilifeform;depends on what. 1271742;1442092906;phf;or the little lisper for that matter 1271743;1442092937;asciilifeform;scheme with continuations (call-with-current-continuation aka call/cc) doesn't cleanly compile to the c-machine. 1271744;1442092938;phf;which was particularly oriented towards computation is data is computation 1271745;1442092980;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out. << lmao "taler", who the fuck came up with that one. but anyway, no. they are weak and know they're weak. throwing shit at wall to see if maybe sticks but in no case admitting ownership. so... no. 1271746;1442092994;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was nyoozworthy because fsf/rms 1271747;1442093007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is kinda why i was mocking the "lisp as its own thing" thing days back 1271748;1442093010;asciilifeform;have capitulated. (or this is implied, i have not asked them why it is 'part of gnu project) 1271749;1442093055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i said 'does not cleanly compile', that is, requires a runtime component, rather than 'does not compile' 1271750;1442093066;mircea_popescu;im not bothering with rms anymoar. prolly like the libc improvements, he doesn't understand what it is and whatever, more words to put on website 1271751;1442093138;mircea_popescu;"Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market." lmao ok. here's a news tidbit : so called "black market" IS the mainstream economy. 1271752;1442093148;mircea_popescu;the govt sponsored ponzis are not economies to begin with. 1271753;1442093171;mircea_popescu;but whatever, this point needn't be decided theoretically now, seeing how it'll be decided practically in just a few years anyway. 1271754;1442093212;asciilifeform;nobody ever actually learns from 'decided practically.' 1271755;1442093243;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b21 1271756;1442093257;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i do not wish to teach. 1271757;1442093263;mircea_popescu;i am satisfied with hurting and selecting. 1271758;1442093279;asciilifeform;how did that go in ro? are there no plankton today ? no ponzi ? 1271759;1442093291;asciilifeform;or did the spores left behind suffice to re-create 90% of it. 1271760;1442093313;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you what it did. allow me to bring the illustration, one second. 1271761;1442093441;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/67b07a8bf5e1a23077a918caada9f192/tumblr_mzv6n6R30a1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg 1271762;1442093443;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4nbAx ) 1271763;1442093459;mircea_popescu;romanians, to this day, WILL NOT QUEUE. 1271764;1442093477;mircea_popescu;the girl, being too young, thinks this is a bad thing, because romanians are thus so observably different from the "more civilised" assorted cattles of europe. 1271765;1442093500;asciilifeform;strikes me as the classic orc/human divide 1271766;1442093503;mircea_popescu;i know better than that. i expect so do you. 1271767;1442093509;mircea_popescu;mno. it is not. 1271768;1442093510;asciilifeform;witness the orderly queues of tokyo 1271769;1442093522;asciilifeform;what do they lose, from it 1271770;1442093530;asciilifeform;the freedom to brownian-motion ? 1271771;1442093536;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1271772;1442093547;asciilifeform;where was that mircea_popescu article about the old jail 1271773;1442093557;asciilifeform;the one with 'height of tallest structure that can be built' 1271774;1442093558;mircea_popescu;the notion that a queue is an acceptable situation is more enmitous to humanity than any other mental device. 1271775;1442093595;mircea_popescu;for instance, the argentinians : they are definitely orcs. they queue perfectly well. 1271776;1442093607;mircea_popescu;there's strictly no reaction between the bovine quality and the feline quality. 1271777;1442093609;asciilifeform;there are different grades of orc, no? 1271778;1442093612;mircea_popescu;orthogonal, not opposites. 1271779;1442093629;asciilifeform;hm 1271780;1442093631;mircea_popescu;no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore. 1271781;1442093688;*;asciilifeform predicts that all orcs happily form queues when they are issued 'ipNohe' 1271782;1442093692;asciilifeform;to play tetris on. 1271783;1442093704;asciilifeform;one of the reasons they are popular in usa. 1271784;1442093717;shinohai;Don't be hatin on Tetris asciilifeform 1271785;1442093726;asciilifeform;a train station or even traffic jam is a kaleidoscope of little glowing screens ! 1271786;1442093732;mircea_popescu;and you propose to defend this behaviour or what am i missing ? 1271787;1442093739;asciilifeform;merely predicting 1271788;1442093776;mircea_popescu;well, the romanians have ipods like any other marginal civilised place : well in excessd of need. 1271789;1442093782;mircea_popescu;still won't queue. 1271790;1442093786;mircea_popescu;so yes, that's what it did. 1271791;1442093821;asciilifeform;interesting. when i went to c2, i did not see any crowd dense enough to even think about queues, so can't say i saw it alive. 1271792;1442093823;mircea_popescu;and it goes directly to the previously hinted thing re sicily, ie http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-09-2015#1270273 1271793;1442093823;assbot;Logged on 11-09-2015 10:00:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269929 << that's rank nonsense, but the exact discussion of why and how "studies" about sicily aren't worth the paper they're printed on is too long for me now 1271794;1442093825;asciilifeform;but will believe. 1271795;1442093837;mircea_popescu;you can obviously either have independence or the fake growth of govt sponsored ponzi participation. 1271796;1442093840;mircea_popescu;you can't have both. 1271797;1442093852;mircea_popescu;look that sicily hasn't fallen into the ocean, like syria hasn't, like etc. 1271798;1442093858;mircea_popescu;look that iraq is still there. 1271799;1442093882;asciilifeform;'the art of not being governed' was half about this and specifically this. 1271800;1442093895;asciilifeform;scholars from 'civilization' think in terms of bizarre chimeras like 'failed state' 1271801;1442093897;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well i didn't take you to the subway and i guess you didn't have the curiosity to go on own hm. 1271802;1442093906;asciilifeform;which is a euphemism for freedom. 1271803;1442093916;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: everybody was in the fscking church 1271804;1442093916;mircea_popescu;aha. what state has failed ? austro hungary failed. soviet russia failed. soon the us will have failed. 1271805;1442093923;mircea_popescu;leaving behind... the things that were always there. 1271806;1442094002;mircea_popescu;meanwhile california is just about to fall into the fucking ocean. oddly enough. problems it didn't have as a "failed state", it has in abundance as a whatever it is. 1271807;1442094015;mircea_popescu;successful nonstate i guess. 1271808;1442094061;asciilifeform;if ca were to drown overnight, it could extend the empire's lease on life by many years... 1271809;1442094083;mircea_popescu;you're thinking the people. 1271810;1442094091;asciilifeform;aha 1271811;1442094092;mircea_popescu;whereas sicily is not the people, it is "the land". 1271812;1442094125;mircea_popescu;in a very peculiar sense that includes the sea, which is a large part of why i think la tera trema such a major point in art. 1271813;1442094148;asciilifeform;very sharp emphasis on this in jp 1271814;1442094380;mircea_popescu;https://gnunet.org/ev << relatively little relation to rms/fsf. our friends the diddled in diddly-germany. 1271815;1442094380;assbot;Verein zur Förderung von GNUnet e.V. | GNUnet ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4nOdy ) 1271816;1442094395;*;asciilifeform recalls gnunet 1271817;1442094410;mircea_popescu;this is unrelated. 1271818;1442094431;mircea_popescu;just some derpy project manager at some derpy french state taxburner feeling uppity. 1271819;1442094439;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1271820;1442094445;mircea_popescu;(Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique) 1271821;1442094465;mircea_popescu;http://grothoff.org/christian/grothoff.jpg << this fellow specifically. 1271822;1442094465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4nPxZ ) 1271823;1442094476;asciilifeform;inria is a kind of burned out husk of something great, sorta like mit 1271824;1442094493;mircea_popescu;well the comparison is u of maryland 1271825;1442094500;asciilifeform;one of the few and abortive lisp strongholds in eu 1271826;1442094718;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271119 << perl, 'graph-easy' ?? 1271827;1442094718;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 06:57:48; mod6: not even close to done yet, but these ascii graphs look kinda neat: http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt 1271828;1442094879;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271097 << maths are not for the 'agricultural faces.' 1271829;1442094879;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 06:28:45; mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION 1271830;1442094896;asciilifeform;any more than music, or bitcoin, or particle physic, or, or. 1271831;1442094912;mircea_popescu;romanian being, "fata de impins vagoane". 1271832;1442094924;asciilifeform;'train propulsion face' ? 1271833;1442094925;asciilifeform;l0l 1271834;1442094934;mircea_popescu;railcar pushing face. 1271835;1442094995;mircea_popescu;somehow this doesn't carry in translation, but in the original the very strong implicit bias is that the pushing is to be done with the very face in question. 1271836;1442095001;asciilifeform;how else ??!!! 1271837;1442095009;asciilifeform;i can't picture it any other way 1271838;1442095035;mircea_popescu;in english the bias is more towards gunnery sgt hartmann's "gimme your war face". 1271839;1442095072;mircea_popescu;which would be "the face you make while being engaged in war" not "the very face you shoot at people" 1271840;1442095081;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va56WrfyKkE << ftr. 1271841;1442095081;assbot;Gunnery Sgt. Hartman German/Deutsch - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kiql4z ) 1271842;1442095087;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271113 << this. with the added step that some of us go to little outpost of 'where we do', surrounded by a gigantic soul-sucking vacuum of where nobody ever could remotely wish to. and hope that the airlock doesn't fail. 1271843;1442095087;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 06:41:58; mircea_popescu: see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't. 1271844;1442095122;asciilifeform;but yes, i too would like to 'go home to where we know what fractal is.' 1271845;1442095145;mircea_popescu;so teach the girl. 1271846;1442095148;asciilifeform;i suppose this could be on the planet in poul anderson's 'brainwave.' but not on earth. 1271847;1442095152;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are men for even, if not to teach the woman! 1271848;1442095152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: girl is well taught. 1271849;1442095156;mircea_popescu;so then. 1271850;1442096215;mircea_popescu;phf: well, i have a 2.4 box that runs "if your dodgy stack fails, this must remain" operations, like email << this design hasn't been recently reviewed i would guess. 1271851;1442096220;*;mircea_popescu wiped email from his list. 1271852;1442096294;mircea_popescu; "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style << i still maintain pretty much any version of gimp is better than photohsop. 1271853;1442096364;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work for "filthy casual" that wishes to pretend like he's doing serious work while really not doing much of anything. but otherwise, if you are actually goin gto do serious work, it is by far a better use of your time to work the parenscripts of gimp into the shape you need them to be with the guarantee you will be agle to get there, 1271854;1442096404;mircea_popescu;than to derp around in a labirinth of ps "features" that aren't even exposed properly (you want me to... click ? seriously ?) and with a cvasi-guarantee you will not be able to do it, but have to settle on "this is how we do it in ps". 1271855;1442096413;mircea_popescu;which settlement is the exact antithesis of art, for the record. 1271856;1442096484;mircea_popescu;in other words, the only people who benefit from the "easier to use" iconographic interface of mcdonalds cash register are both illiterate and noit actually involved in the restaurant business. 1271857;1442096514;mircea_popescu;yes, it's true that for a majority of people out there, the existence of the sandwich would stay a mystery lest they saw it drawn on a key on their cash register. 1271858;1442096530;mircea_popescu;but those people are "lest concern" as they say about overrepresented, nuisance species. 1271859;1442096562;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTHYYg5050 << if you're not up for gimp, there's always 'ipad pro' with 'pencil' ;/ 1271860;1442096563;assbot;Hands on: iPad Pro and Apple Pencil with Adobe Sketch, iOS 9 Markup - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkqK7 ) 1271861;1442096572;mircea_popescu;or guitar hero. 1271862;1442096634;mircea_popescu;people find it uncontroversial that lamp amp is better than cpu amp. i've seen people gush over 1990s state of the art computerized algebraic systems. 1271863;1442096651;mircea_popescu;yet somehow the point that there is no possibility of value even outside of gimp stays elusive. yet it's the same damned thing. 1271864;1442096675;pete_dushenski;hey now, at least you save your scribblings on 'ipad pro'. guitar hero only gives high scores 1271865;1442096716;pete_dushenski;!s lamp amp 1271866;1442096717;assbot;0 results for 'lamp amp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lamp+amp 1271867;1442096741;cazalla;gimp is pimp in otherwords and no fucking around with adobe activation and t3h cloud ver of photoshop 1271868;1442096782;pete_dushenski;is there a cloud photoshop now ? 1271869;1442096798;phf;i've realized that a lot of my systems anxiety comes from trying to be "filthy casual" with a lot of technology i have no business in. in my case comes from 90s tradition of buying all manner of pirated software on the way home from school. "today i'll learn 3ds max and tomorrow autocad" 1271870;1442096801;mircea_popescu;and to settle this once and for all : http://minigame.bz/download_button.png << say i want this. here's the gimp script that does it : http://dpaste.com/22S0MW2 it's 20 years old by now. show me the ps equivalent. 1271871;1442096802;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkMQO ) 1271872;1442096804;assbot;dpaste: 22S0MW2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkKZ3 ) 1271873;1442096804;pete_dushenski;for what, ipods with 8gb hds ? 1271874;1442096807;cazalla;pete_dushenski, with added monthly subscription! 1271875;1442096877;cazalla;http://www.adobe.com/au/creativecloud.html $49.99/month (AUD pricing, no doubt will be $5USD) 1271876;1442096878;assbot;Software and services for creative professionals | Adobe Creative Cloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkRUB ) 1271877;1442096879;pete_dushenski;hey, if it works for iphn0e 6s.. 1271878;1442096889;pete_dushenski;not cheap either eh 1271879;1442096902;pete_dushenski;fuck stupid americans and their monthly everything payments 1271880;1442096910;mircea_popescu;phf and there's nothing wrong with the process per se, as a distraction. but you have to admit the only way it was an acceptable behaviour when you were 16 was because YOU ALSO WENT OT SCHOOL. 1271881;1442096924;pete_dushenski;"why own x when you can make payments for the rest of your life!" (tm) 1271882;1442096929;mircea_popescu;had you just quit school to focus on your learning 3dmax full time like the retarded us kids, your dad'd have had your hide. 1271883;1442096957;phf;quitting school? that's a paddling 1271884;1442096969;pete_dushenski;what happened to old grandmas and grandpas who saved up and bought houses, cars, etc. ALL CASH 1271885;1442096988;mircea_popescu;progress 1271886;1442096998;mircea_popescu;phf i don't mean cutting class. i mean quitting. permanently. 1271887;1442097021;pete_dushenski;right, finance your own future and that of your children = progress 1271888;1442097024;mircea_popescu;principal calls parents over, ifnorms them that you told him you intend to quit school and he agrees, and you're henceforth expelled from all schools forever. 1271889;1442097041;mircea_popescu;so they don't get in the way of autocad learnings! 1271890;1442097046;mircea_popescu;and creativitits 1271891;1442097122;cazalla;gotta go through bezzlar wringer of naughty boy schools, career counselling and other make work positions before principal gets the parents in the office mircea_popescu ,least that was my experience 1271892;1442097131;pete_dushenski;this failing to compute really is through and through with usians, right from basic algebra up to software, hardware, the whole gammut, etfc. 1271893;1442097170;mircea_popescu;cazalla specialised timewasters these people huh. 1271894;1442097231;phf;i've cut classes plenty, but i don't think i've ever even contemplated quitting school, what am i going to do, sell lavash? it was kind of understood that people who were pushed out (never nobody quit because they wanted to) were losers 1271895;1442097255;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah pretty much, could've left in 1997 but they managed to stretch it out to 1999 1271896;1442097263;mircea_popescu;well yeah. so that fixed formal pillar is WHAT ALLOWED benefit in the pursuit of "learning 3dmax" 1271897;1442097322;mircea_popescu;cazalla note tho, that the school he went to, and the school you went to, were very different beasts. i suspect you'd have loved his. 1271898;1442097474;pete_dushenski;;;later tell trinque cheers ! 1271899;1442097475;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271900;1442097479;*;trinque tips hat 1271901;1442097512;pete_dushenski;;;later tell kakobrekla grazie ! 1271902;1442097513;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1271903;1442097522;kakobrekla;prego 1271904;1442097535;pete_dushenski;you guys are the best :) 1271905;1442097552;cazalla;mircea_popescu, perhaps, mine was a shitty public school, missus was exclusive private and seems to be that is just another type of bezzle (all students must go to uni to get loaded up on debt type thing) 1271906;1442097584;*;shinohai drinks a toast to pete_dushenski 1271907;1442097609;mircea_popescu;cazalla from what i gather he went to russian public school in the 80s, which im sure is very close to romanian public school in the 80s, which has absolutely zero to do with anything you might call school in any perspective. 1271908;1442097664;mircea_popescu;academically, it would be ivy league college. sexually, it would be u of arizona during spring break. socially it would be prison, except with regards to the adults it would be the 1960s paris uprising. 1271909;1442097697;trinque;I went to a "magnet school" in TX, was bored out of my mind except for various acts of resistance through adolescence 1271910;1442097704;mircea_popescu;out of these much too disparate elements i scarcely see how one who no fue ya could construct something whole in his head. 1271911;1442097705;trinque;public university, same 1271912;1442097751;phf;there's no equivalent in u.s., i've not seen anything remotely similar yet anyway. particularly those dedicated "nerd schools" 1271913;1442097752;mircea_popescu;trinque throughout my hs i was what you'd call a honors student with ~1/3 attendance. 1271914;1442097768;mircea_popescu;(which means i averaged ~10 hours a week) 1271915;1442097789;pete_dushenski;shinohai: bottoms up :D 1271916;1442097790;trinque;I was barely mentally present, near-perfect marks and a free ride into college 1271917;1442097795;trinque;which was worth precisely zilch 1271918;1442097800;mircea_popescu;nonono, i was mentally present 1271919;1442097804;mircea_popescu;just wasn't physically there. 1271920;1442097821;trinque;I was only permitted this in senior year, and unofficially 1271921;1442097829;trinque;and only in the mornings 1271922;1442097833;mircea_popescu;well i didn't ask anybody for permission. 1271923;1442097897;phf;i had fake medical scripts.. 1271924;1442097904;trinque;^ 1271925;1442097907;trinque;we got into some fun of that nature in the last two years. one can learn a lot about computers bored as hell in TX public school, if he's awake 1271926;1442097930;mircea_popescu;but the real difficulty, is explaining the actual reality to people who already have been suplied a falsificating convention to misinterpret it with. like the case above discussed with the purpose of the railcar pushing face. 1271927;1442097953;mircea_popescu;for instance : a guy i've recently talked to again after many years, who is now a reasonably respected thinker in his field, 1271928;1442097967;mircea_popescu;brought an airgun to school, and shot a nutsized hole in the blackboard. 1271929;1442097996;mircea_popescu;a) nobody cared and b) this really was more in line with "chemistry experiment" than whatever orc derpage goes on in us ghetto. 1271930;1442098004;trinque;not a terrorist charge eh? 1271931;1442098009;cazalla;i brought a screwdriver in the early 90s.. confiscated, parents called 1271932;1442098019;mircea_popescu;understand. it was a rifle. 1271933;1442098026;mircea_popescu;with scope and all. 1271934;1442098032;trinque;my friend was busted for precisely that, some kind of "cyber terrorism" for sending a joke threat email with the headers changed to look like it came from faculty 1271935;1442098045;cazalla;flogged.. took a while for me to figure out my father did that not for anything related to taking the screwdriver to school 1271936;1442098089;mircea_popescu;i suppose the only people in a similar position are the ex terrorist israelis. 1271937;1442098096;phf;we brought these all through highschool, http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Osxvvm0Yu74/hqdefault.jpg i actually do have a note in my "personal file" for throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance 1271938;1442098097;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwmUYI ) 1271939;1442098141;mircea_popescu;yeah, cause the teacher was this "placeholder enemy" of sorts. like cats play with the nail sharpening pole. 1271940;1442098162;mircea_popescu;fine and quite healthy for adolescent boys to have planned out how to massacre the lot of them. 1271941;1442098182;cazalla;trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days 1271942;1442098186;mircea_popescu;just as long as they don't get carried away. 1271943;1442098189;trinque;mircea_popescu: that was the thing criminalized at my public school, certainly 1271944;1442098196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00075691 = 8.7045 BTC [+] 1271945;1442098233;mircea_popescu;trinque well yeah, because the usg has figured that hey, we don't keep males for the herds of goats, sheep, cattle etc except maybe 1:100. with modern insemination techniques more like 1:500. why should we keep so many males in human herd ? 1271946;1442098243;mircea_popescu;they can either transsexualize or perish, whatevs. how's the soy crops ? 1271947;1442098258;kakobrekla;>throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance < o yeah i did that too. only in elementary. 1271948;1442098270;kakobrekla;bomb the fuckers you know? 1271949;1442098274;mircea_popescu;lol 1271950;1442098288;trinque;"schools... out... forever" 1271951;1442098291;mircea_popescu;yugoslovaks, fucking violent i tell you. 1271952;1442098345;phf;kakobrekla: i did that grade 9 i think, which was apparently not age appropriate 1271953;1442098348;mircea_popescu;ah such great country names for a book these'd be. checkoslavia. yugoslovakia. austrogermany. 1271954;1442098368;phf;but the whole punishment lasted maybe half hour! "the incident has been noted in your personal file", not even parents called 1271955;1442098386;mircea_popescu;phf regarding it with adult eyes... it is kinda not age appropriate neh ? 1271956;1442098411;trinque;I once found a trivial flaw in a java applet some idiot put together for a "mock 2004 presidential election" 1271957;1442098420;cazalla;i regret that high school was not similar to this place.. come each day because i want to as do other students as do other teachers, actually learn something type of thing 1271958;1442098424;trinque;thing supposedly prevented double voting in the UI but just posted http integers somewhere 1271959;1442098460;trinque;so I showed people how to do that, ended up kerry was some absurdly high number, bush was negative same 1271960;1442098468;trinque;they wanted to expel me for that one 1271961;1442098470;cazalla;some students earn A's while others can only earn C's type of thing we have here, whereas in public high school - all must strive to earn A's while none actually can 1271962;1442098495;trinque;*posted integers over http 1271963;1442098514;mircea_popescu;trinque because why ? 1271964;1442098531;trinque;mircea_popescu: because hacker. and spreading hacking! 1271965;1442098557;trinque;the "tech head of whatever" emailed the angry bureaucrat and explained that it was not even hacking 1271966;1442098581;mircea_popescu;cazalla the irony being that once that's on the ground, the actual ideal the progres derp about is readily realised. 1271967;1442098596;mircea_popescu;o, hacking is bad now ?! 1271968;1442098604;trinque;being curious at all 1271969;1442098608;trinque;and especially jokes 1271970;1442098619;mircea_popescu;sounds pretty boring. 1271971;1442098692;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271509 << you know how deepthroat was made right ? 1271972;1442098692;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 18:07:41; asciilifeform: what great cultural products ought i look for from the sellers of crack ? 1271973;1442098790;phf;i remember that we were actually taught how to properly treat teachers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcZgoOyalaI amusingly i'd never seen that short on tv, it would always play during "entertainment break" when they would send us to a school movie hall to watch random stuff 1271974;1442098791;assbot;Ералаш. 40 чертей и одна зеленая муха (1984 год Выпуск № 46 Сюжет № 2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwnW74 ) 1271975;1442098916;phf;the title is "40 devils and one green fly" 1271976;1442098928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.0007546 = 25.0905 BTC [-] {3} 1271977;1442098954;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271542 << so far the anglos seem to have come out defeated from that war. 1271978;1442098954;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 18:17:58; asciilifeform: then they lost a war and got culturally annihilated and enslaved by the anglos. 1271979;1442098969;mircea_popescu;suffice it to say your interpretation of history is far from uncontroversial. 1271980;1442099030;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271551 << there is, actually. harem. the romans you mentioned did this deliberately, it was called "veteran settlement". 1271981;1442099030;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 18:20:42; asciilifeform: trinque: there is not a handy answer to 'what should culture man stuck in a dying civilization do' 1271982;1442099187;mircea_popescu;http://www.personal.psu.edu/axk29/audience.jpg << let's play "guess who/what" 1271983;1442099328;trinque;I'm going with PSU professors receiving LGBBQT sensitivity training. 1271984;1442099340;mircea_popescu;audience at 2013 brin prize. 1271985;1442099466;phf;that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit 1271986;1442099531;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271583 << this is common. 1271987;1442099531;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 19:09:30; asciilifeform: i, for instance, can't think about any deep problem when in a place where human speech is happening, or bodies are in motion. 1271988;1442099544;mircea_popescu;i've dealt out reprimands for moving at the wrong time etc. 1271989;1442099585;mircea_popescu;phf so it is. i find it an excellent picture because it so drastically sets him apart. 1271990;1442099588;mircea_popescu;thought alf'd like it./ 1271991;1442099595;cazalla;check out asian beaker in the middle 1271992;1442099681;mircea_popescu;(the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know. 1271993;1442099685;mircea_popescu;indeed we do not.) 1271994;1442099816;mircea_popescu;but anyway, a better question, who's the hottie in the gray shirt. 1271995;1442100231;mircea_popescu;"To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not only did he order 1271996;1442100231;mircea_popescu;her to write to her friends and family and insist that they not visit her, he also demanded that she never leave the house without permission. The exact reason for his possessiveness is not really clear considering that he was largely asexual throughout his lifetime. Still, his brutal treatment of Mary Way or why she allowed the abuse to continue seems impossible to understand even today." 1271997;1442100232;mircea_popescu;o.O 1271998;1442100234;mircea_popescu;i had nfi ?! 1271999;1442100286;mircea_popescu;"Friends were astonished that Mary allowed her house guest to control her. They were even more astonished when she showed them the contract that Heaviside had insisted she sign which, among other clauses stipulated that: 1272000;1442100286;mircea_popescu;Mary Way agrees to wear warm woolen underclothing and keep herself warm in winter. Mary Way agrees never to go out without Oliver Heaviside's permission. Mary Way agrees never to give anything away without Oliver Heaviside's permission. 1272001;1442100286;mircea_popescu;He did whatever he could to enforce the clauses of the contract, including taking away Mary's shoes to keep her from leaving the house without permission." 1272002;1442100319;mircea_popescu;see, cause originalyl you'd think autism. but... 1272003;1442100575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30777 @ 0.00075898 = 23.3591 BTC [+] {3} 1272004;1442101213;pete_dushenski;cazalla: any idea why the footnote brackets after "wrecking" show up on the preview of that last qntra article but not on the full page ? 1272005;1442101334;cazalla;lemme check, might need a space or something 1272006;1442101463;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Never thought I'd see my hometown mentioned on #b-a.. 1272007;1442101557;pete_dushenski;"“Black Twitter” may be infamous for scorning white women like Rachel Dolezal who think they are black, but it has also pioneered the idea of hashtag activism, such as #SayHerName, which highlighted the invisibility of black women in discussions of police violence in black communities, or #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, with its allusion to tensions between black and white feminists, to offer but two examples." 1272008;1442101557;pete_dushenski;<< way to blaze dem trails 1272009;1442101635;cazalla;pete_dushenski, is that right now? 1272010;1442101675;pete_dushenski;is the word 'pioneer' really so ambigious that michael eric dyson honestly beleebs it applies to 'black twitter's hashtag activism' ? 1272011;1442101684;williamdunne;Newton Abbot has 12 people, and I'm one of them 1272012;1442101708;pete_dushenski;cazalla: it's timeless, like being endarkened. 1272013;1442101721;pete_dushenski;as it always is and must always be. 1272014;1442101749;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 < actually i know of a few slovenians remoting to work for mericans pulling north of 10k/mo (which is 5 times what they would get here) 1272015;1442101749;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 19:20:34; asciilifeform: if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work. 1272016;1442101797;pete_dushenski;"a cohort of what I would like to call the “black digital intelligentsia” has emerged. They wrestle with ideas, stake out political territory, and lead, very much in the same way that my generation did, only without needing, or necessarily wanting, a home in the Ivy League—and by making their name online." 1272017;1442101816;cazalla;pete_dushenski, your article i mean 1272018;1442101852;pete_dushenski;cazalla: aha. that. yes, looks to be fixed from my end. thx! 1272019;1442101915;pete_dushenski;next time : specify 'that' and s/right/correct and i won't be so cofuzed 1272020;1442102458;cazalla;meh seemed preddy obvious i was responding to your question and not what random nig nogs do on twitter 1272021;1442102599;pete_dushenski;heh 1272022;1442102600;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271980 << wai wat. 1272023;1442102600;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 23:03:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271551 << there is, actually. harem. the romans you mentioned did this deliberately, it was called "veteran settlement". 1272024;1442102682;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1272014 << what do they do ? and for how long ? 1272025;1442102682;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 23:49:09; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 < actually i know of a few slovenians remoting to work for mericans pulling north of 10k/mo (which is 5 times what they would get here) 1272026;1442102758;kakobrekla;things you dont love with all your heart. sys admin, pythoning, stuff like that 1272027;1442102764;asciilifeform;ugh. 1272028;1442102781;kakobrekla;mhm 1272029;1442102793;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1272030;1442102817;mircea_popescu;williamdunne london ? 1272031;1442102831;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: thing is, i would happily take the 10k for 'make sure this box stays up and does x, we don't care what you do otherwise' 1272032;1442102841;asciilifeform;but somehow i doubt this is what kakobrekla's friend does. 1272033;1442102876;kakobrekla;your suspicion is not unjustified 1272034;1442102880;mircea_popescu;oh haha. 1272035;1442102995;mircea_popescu; meh seemed preddy obvious i was responding to your question and not what random nig nogs do on twitter << srsly. "Black digital inteligentsia" ? can we get back to not caring about rihanna spears or w/e it was. 1272036;1442103011;mircea_popescu;j-low 1272037;1442103023;mircea_popescu;no wait, j-lop ? 1272038;1442103059;mircea_popescu;sounds perfectly yidish, like, "bitch you gotta jlop for tonite" or "what's she all jlop't up for" 1272039;1442103068;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Newton Abbot 1272040;1442103074;mircea_popescu;aha i caught on eventually. 1272041;1442103080;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271985 << aha! 1272042;1442103080;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 23:11:06; phf: that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit 1272043;1442103083;asciilifeform;neato 1272044;1442103087;mircea_popescu;apparently it has a long tradition in hosting weirdos :D 1272045;1442103119;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271992 << he had this expression more or less permanently affixed, aha. 1272046;1442103119;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 23:14:41; mircea_popescu: (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know. 1272047;1442103197;ben_vulpes;http://www.inria.fr/ << usgcoin is...french? 1272048;1442103198;assbot;Inria - Inventeurs du monde numérique ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9K8TF ) 1272049;1442103217;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in the exact way that, to borrow a mircea_popescuism, tsipras is greek. 1272050;1442103245;ben_vulpes;over my head, asciilifeform. as though i were five, please? 1272051;1442103247;asciilifeform;davout is french 1272052;1442103253;asciilifeform;but inria is usg. 1272053;1442103263;trinque;tsipras was the greek minister of used to work at valve or something 1272054;1442103267;asciilifeform;ludovic viii was french. 1272055;1442103267;ben_vulpes;just located in france. 1272056;1442103282;ben_vulpes;just webshiting in france. 1272057;1442103294;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: inria is sorta like their mit. 1272058;1442103310;ben_vulpes;wait, is it /their/ MIT or the USG MIT? 1272059;1442103324;asciilifeform;both. 1272060;1442103335;mircea_popescu;nah, mit's bigger. 1272061;1442103351;mircea_popescu;this thing is like an endowment in stuff and things chairdom. 1272062;1442103358;asciilifeform;hey i hear fr is getting a new parcel of meat in 1272063;1442103359;mircea_popescu;mit has ~800 of those. 1272064;1442103370;asciilifeform;so perhaps next year inria can enbiggen. 1272065;1442103372;asciilifeform;in this sense. 1272066;1442103409;mircea_popescu;unless they add rape to the meaning of "automatique" i don't see the immigrants that interested in derping pascal. 1272067;1442103426;asciilifeform;you think they pascal at mit ?! 1272068;1442103433;mircea_popescu;we were discussing inria 1272069;1442103443;asciilifeform;yes 1272070;1442103461;asciilifeform;point being that these folks do not need to be interested in inriaism to get fat sinecures there 1272071;1442103461;mircea_popescu;i don't know what the fuck they do, past "nothing usable or useful since 1990s" 1272072;1442103466;asciilifeform;just have the right shade of skin. 1272073;1442103468;mircea_popescu;sure. 1272074;1442103471;asciilifeform;80s. 1272075;1442103498;mircea_popescu;coincidentally - since the previous wave of orcs hit yurp. 1272076;1442103531;asciilifeform;btw i take back 'inria was once useful' 1272077;1442103531;mircea_popescu;arguably in the same circumstances : usg derpiong finally crashed a local power sturcture, waves of ro/bg/polish/east german etc came crashing down 1272078;1442103539;asciilifeform;turns out queinnec was never there, it seems, 1272079;1442103540;asciilifeform;http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/Queinnec.html 1272080;1442103540;assbot;Christian Queinnec's home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9Kr0O ) 1272081;1442103549;mircea_popescu;zee germans still haven't dug their way out from under the deluge of "nordic system" 1272082;1442103564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000754 = 3.2422 BTC [-] 1272083;1442103569;mircea_popescu;i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it 1272084;1442103729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg0JshvRxfE << you ever heard this one ? 1272085;1442103730;assbot;TARA COMUNISTA - JEAN MOSCOPOL - ANTICOMUNIST - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oml9yg ) 1272086;1442103739;mircea_popescu;romanian folklore russian revolutionary history. 1272087;1442103815;asciilifeform;new to me. lulzy ! 1272088;1442103908;asciilifeform;autoduba ~= gasenwagen ? 1272089;1442103909;mircea_popescu;got slavski > slanski ; malenko > beria, abakumov, > hruschiov etc. not bad tbh 1272090;1442103913;mircea_popescu;pretty much yeah. 1272091;1442103959;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why raic was anymore. 1272092;1442103980;mircea_popescu;slanski being obv Rudolf Slnsk 1272093;1442104041;asciilifeform;who else 1272094;1442104068;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls that slansky was one of the last to be ~guillotined~ in cz 1272095;1442104105;mircea_popescu;actually... who the fuck was "slavski" ?! 1272096;1442104135;asciilifeform;i know of no such 1272097;1442104153;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this man talking about 1272098;1442104231;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnbO3LG0i14 << l0l this is a take on trad ru 'все хорошо прекрасная маркиза' !! 1272099;1442104232;assbot;ANTICOMUNIST JEAN MOSCOPOL GHEORGHIU DEJ SI HRUSCIOV - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9L6iI ) 1272100;1442104260;mircea_popescu;yup. 1272101;1442104267;mircea_popescu;he even does a very passible hruschev impersonation 1272102;1442104330;mircea_popescu;fuck! /me has found slavsky in his notes. 1272103;1442104343;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271400 << sort-of unix, sort-of works 1272104;1442104343;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 17:36:44; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: since you apparently missed the whole thread, the reason is TO HAVE A PORTABLE UNIX BOX THAT EVEN SORT-OF WORKS 1272105;1442104460;asciilifeform;!s spreading works eating no 1272106;1442104461;assbot;0 results for 'spreading works eating no' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works+eating+no 1272107;1442104473;mircea_popescu;lol 1272108;1442104511;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271451 << and this, my tragedy. 1272109;1442104511;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 17:49:44; asciilifeform: it just requires having-been-doing-it-since-2000 1272110;1442104600;mircea_popescu;there was an efim pavlovich slavsky working for the "medium machine building" soviet nuke programme. 1272111;1442104624;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if i hadn't set up a fresh gentoo box a year ago, from vacuum, i would not be certain that it is possible to do so today 1272112;1442104685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: purged ? 1272113;1442104695;mircea_popescu;yeah but soon reinstated. 1272114;1442104715;mircea_popescu;song doesn't know future. he died in his bed. 1272115;1442104724;asciilifeform;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%95%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 << him, apparently 1272116;1442104725;assbot;Славский, Ефим Павлович — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9LApg ) 1272117;1442104727;mircea_popescu;and wasn't slansky hanged ? 1272118;1442104737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had the distinct notion that he was beheaded. 1272119;1442104752;asciilifeform;(cz had german guillotines going until early '70s) 1272120;1442104754;mircea_popescu;fucking ridiculous, we're reduced to oral history. 1272121;1442104759;mircea_popescu;clearly the internet has so much helped 1272122;1442104796;mircea_popescu;lol that poor guy, looks like a scrap metal yard. 1272123;1442104847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever hear '... И на груди его могучей. / Сверкая в несколько рядов. / Одна медаль висела кучей, / И та за выслугу годов' ? 1272124;1442104876;mircea_popescu;lol 1272125;1442104877;mircea_popescu;nop 1272126;1442104903;asciilifeform;interestingly, the author is unknown. 1272127;1442104904;asciilifeform;afaik. 1272128;1442104986;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 << no, you just don't understand how actually impoverished even your nominal 'masters of the universe' actually are 1272129;1442104986;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 19:20:34; asciilifeform: if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work. 1272130;1442105000;asciilifeform;hm? 1272131;1442105029;ben_vulpes;dominance game schmominance game. 1272132;1442105048;ben_vulpes;doors are costly because 'entrepreneurs' cannot afford the space burn on walls. 1272133;1442105051;*;mircea_popescu knows, but alf is unconsolablew. 1272134;1442105078;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: when i worked, briefly, for a megacorp (it bought the little outfit i was in at the time) we were moved to a virtually EMPTY building, placed - all two dozen of us - in the middle of an EMPTY floor, having forty or so proper door-closey offices, and a flunkie was sent JUST TO WATCH THAT NO ONE MOVED INTO THEM 1272135;1442105090;mircea_popescu;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34181/34181-h/34181-h.htm << must read, by the way. 1272136;1442105091;assbot;Error 403 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmmXqY ) 1272137;1442105108;asciilifeform;the walls, the doors - were built. but dominance games. 1272138;1442105117;mircea_popescu;so wait, you actually listened to him ? 1272139;1442105118;ben_vulpes;that just speaks to the incompetence of your own managerial staff. 1272140;1442105131;mircea_popescu;are you... dumb ? wtf ? 1272141;1442105147;ben_vulpes;you got bought, ergo there was value. 1272142;1442105152;mircea_popescu;you probably also sit around and wait to "be seated" in restaurants ? 1272143;1442105161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at least one fella didn't, was threatened - in writing - with sacking for breach of protocol if he were ever found outside of his assigned cattle stall again. 1272144;1442105164;ben_vulpes;you're too wrapped up in this su/germanic "omg the inquistor is right around the corner" routine 1272145;1442105174;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sometimes he ~is~ around the corner. 1272146;1442105176;mircea_popescu;and he answered, in writing, with "get fucked and send your wife." 1272147;1442105178;asciilifeform;and on first name basis 1272148;1442105224;mircea_popescu;apparently the magic words of "i don't recall asking you anything" weren't invented in the us yet or something. 1272149;1442105227;ben_vulpes;in writing?! 1272150;1442105229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's when the bouncer shows you the door, aha. they had (i was told) some of these, also. 1272151;1442105230;ben_vulpes;omg not letters 1272152;1442105240;ben_vulpes;was it going to go on his PERMANENT RECORD!? 1272153;1442105245;mircea_popescu;lol 1272154;1442105254;mircea_popescu;so did he slap the bouncer ? 1272155;1442105264;asciilifeform;generally, folks who need to MAKE THE FUCKING RENT eventually 'taci si suge.' 1272156;1442105277;mircea_popescu;oh, really. i'm sure that's what it was yes. 1272157;1442105281;mircea_popescu;he... he had to make the rent. 1272158;1442105286;mircea_popescu;sick chitlins at home and hm. 1272159;1442105288;asciilifeform;mortgage, actually 1272160;1442105292;asciilifeform;poor bastard. 1272161;1442105311;mircea_popescu;and if he hadn't made it ? 1272162;1442105317;mircea_popescu;in the street, dancing for nickles ? 1272163;1442105334;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny how the 2008 festival bought TONS of "not making mortgage - get fucked" folks 1272164;1442105341;mircea_popescu;yet nobody seems to have learned from the experience. 1272165;1442105346;ben_vulpes;'twas grand 1272166;1442105350;*;ben_vulpes cannot wait for the reprise 1272167;1442105359;mircea_popescu;they're like retarded women, these people. fucking is bad, and may only be done if "overcome". 1272168;1442105362;asciilifeform;how many dead evicting sheriffs total 1272169;1442105365;asciilifeform;one? two? 1272170;1442105367;asciilifeform;in all of usa. 1272171;1442105371;mircea_popescu;woman may not agree to fucking and usian may not tell the politruk to get lost. 1272172;1442105382;cazalla;http://www.theage.com.au/national/sex-workers-at-risk-of-violence-as-the-internet-cuts-demand-for-their-services-20150909-gjj54s.html "They say violence is a daily part of their life. The most common forms are biting, slapping, pinching, hair pulling, verbal abuse and rough sex, which they say is present in almost every interaction." sounds like sex to me 1272173;1442105384;assbot;Sex workers at risk of violence as the internet cuts demand for their services ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9M6DF ) 1272174;1442105387;mircea_popescu;it's HOW THE WORLD WORX!11 1272175;1442105388;ben_vulpes;nono how many unevicted? 1272176;1442105400;ben_vulpes;sherrif is only sent for troublemakers. 1272177;1442105416;ben_vulpes;in the year of 'nobody paying mortgate', sherriff has better things to do with his time. 1272178;1442105417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can picture some schmuck continuing to show up, but the salary cheque will not continue to get mailed out. 1272179;1442105423;ben_vulpes;ESPECIALLY IN SANE JURISDICTIONS 1272180;1442105437;ben_vulpes;of which there remain a few, your outrageous claims to the contrary aside. 1272181;1442105438;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if there exists such a jurisdiction in usa, it is a well-hushed-up fact. 1272182;1442105447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik the way usg works, the check shows up no matter what 1272183;1442105453;mircea_popescu;some people still show up for "work" 1272184;1442105455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. 1272185;1442105478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does not. now, granted, in some states (e.g. maryland) it is very difficult for the employer to prove 'fired for cause' 1272186;1442105493;asciilifeform;but disobeying a written order is one of the few simple ways. 1272187;1442105495;mircea_popescu;try evicting somebody. 1272188;1442105501;ben_vulpes;^^ impossible. 1272189;1442105508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very easy in md. just takes a while (~3 mo.) 1272190;1442105510;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no but meta-eviction! 1272191;1442105513;asciilifeform;and several court appearances. 1272192;1442105519;mircea_popescu;o, you actually go to court ?! 1272193;1442105522;mircea_popescu;because why ? 1272194;1442105522;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: It certainly does, just yesterday I heard a girl maybe a few years older myself bragging (in a thick western accent) about her mother doing Cocaine and Ecstasy while heavily pregnant, and how "she turned out alright" 1272195;1442105536;mircea_popescu;williamdunne was she alrgiht ? 1272196;1442105550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the court thing happens if there is dispute (normally there is) about payment 1272197;1442105556;williamdunne;She was dressed up all goth-like and spoke like a retard so can't imagine she was that good 1272198;1442105557;asciilifeform;e.g., 'i paid' - 'no you didn't' 1272199;1442105569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't go! 1272200;1442105588;asciilifeform;default judgement then. 1272201;1442105590;asciilifeform;but - IANAL. 1272202;1442105593;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1272203;1442105607;mircea_popescu;or better yet, if you feel like having some fun with the system, you go and recite moscow urchin begging poem 1272204;1442105615;*;mircea_popescu now wonders if theres any online 1272205;1442105622;asciilifeform;extinct afaik 1272206;1442105626;*;asciilifeform can't even recall this 1272207;1442105634;ben_vulpes;http://bikeportland.org/2015/09/08/police-shut-notorious-slabtown-stolen-bike-chop-shop-158221 << asciilifeform note that the place had to get busted with an active theft ring to get kicked out 1272208;1442105635;assbot;Police shut down notorious 'Slabtown' stolen bike chop shop - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9Mi5U ) 1272209;1442105655;asciilifeform;neato ben_vulpes 1272210;1442105661;ben_vulpes;just because *you* don't believe in the cascadian paradise by no means you get to ignore it. 1272211;1442105665;asciilifeform;wow what a scrap heap 1272212;1442105697;ben_vulpes;srsly enough with this 'woe is everyone upon us soil' routine. 1272213;1442105699;asciilifeform;something very asian about this 1272214;1442105702;ben_vulpes;fucking trite at this point. 1272215;1442105709;asciilifeform;chop shop for fucking bicycles ! 1272216;1442105716;asciilifeform;they are worth, what, 100 usd new? 1272217;1442105722;ben_vulpes;go, buy. 1272218;1442105735;ben_vulpes;a hundred dollar bicycle is barely worth trucking to the playa. 1272219;1442105757;ben_vulpes;one can in fact have a bicycle just for the asking there. no purchase or transport needed! 1272220;1442105764;*;asciilifeform quite out of date, has never bought one of these things new 1272221;1442105773;asciilifeform;i think mine was made in the 1960s. 1272222;1442105776;ben_vulpes;so then stick to your chipsets. 1272223;1442105790;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: update me, what are they worth today 1272224;1442105809;ben_vulpes;what, something that creaks around or something that someone who enjoys the sport would ride? 1272225;1442105814;ben_vulpes;what is a computer worth today? 1272226;1442105816;asciilifeform;something a grown man would ride 1272227;1442105819;asciilifeform;such as ben_vulpes 1272228;1442105830;mircea_popescu;he prolly paid 350 for his 1272229;1442105839;kakobrekla;i bought a cheapest usable bike this spring, its 500+. 1272230;1442105842;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ! 1272231;1442105845;mircea_popescu;:D 1272232;1442105854;mircea_popescu;but you can spend as much as you want to spend on a bike. consumer item. 1272233;1442105856;ben_vulpes;has it, but it's an oddity and not fit for grown-male-use. 1272234;1442105888;ben_vulpes;a robust fixed-gear with durable parts will set one back 300. 1272235;1442105894;ben_vulpes;freewheel ~350. 1272236;1442105906;asciilifeform;from rough study of historical trends, i have noticed that bicycles and revolvers have cost roughly the same thing for 100 years +. 1272237;1442105907;ben_vulpes;i have a hydroformed aluminum frame because i like to taunt death. 1272238;1442105909;asciilifeform;and for the same reason. 1272239;1442105918;asciilifeform;about same amount of machine work to produce each. 1272240;1442105924;ben_vulpes;cost the same? what, inflation-adjusted? 1272241;1442105927;asciilifeform;aha 1272242;1442105931;asciilifeform;same at any given time. 1272243;1442105935;ben_vulpes;what, ten dollars a hundred years ago? 1272244;1442105937;asciilifeform;aha. 1272245;1442105960;mircea_popescu;well, within reason. they had revolvers in 1815 even 1272246;1442105961;*;ben_vulpes sees no primary sources 1272247;1442105963;asciilifeform;modern bicycle has existed for slightly more than a century 1272248;1442105980;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: best source is the back pages of old (period) american magazines 1272249;1442105986;asciilifeform;e.g., 'scientific american' 1272250;1442105991;asciilifeform;'popular mechanics' 1272251;1442105998;ben_vulpes;back there with the cock-lengtheners 1272252;1442106002;asciilifeform;they stopped advertising small arms in the 1970s though. 1272253;1442106005;*;hanbot imagines mircea_popescu absolutely slaughtering 'the price is right' 1272254;1442106008;asciilifeform;so need other source after that. 1272255;1442106020;mircea_popescu;lol 1272256;1442106037;ben_vulpes;i'm sure those prices had a great deal to do with the market value of the things, advertising to chumps alongside the cock lengtheners and pheromone emitters 1272257;1442106053;ben_vulpes;now mebbe there's an inflation indicator: the pheromone vial 1272258;1442106068;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: used to be, the 'back pages' were a kind of bazaar, that had pyramid schemes, cock machines, and legit things alike, all in one gigantic pile. 1272259;1442106076;ben_vulpes;it has to target the same grade of moron at all times, after all 1272260;1442106104;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: speaking of these, one type of potion that appears to have vanished is the 'strength increaser' 1272261;1442106111;asciilifeform;seems like no one goes for this scam today ? 1272262;1442106124;ben_vulpes;the actual workouts seem to have won out finally 1272263;1442106125;asciilifeform;pick up a 1950s 'popular xyz' and the thing is full of'em 1272264;1442106142;ben_vulpes;crossfit 'tis one thing whose success is incontrovertible. 1272265;1442106147;ben_vulpes;as the twelve-steppers say 1272266;1442106156;ben_vulpes;"it works if you work it, so keep working it until it works!" 1272267;1442106162;ben_vulpes;(...) (...) 1272268;1442106196;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271672 << but what about the spire of /dankness/? 1272269;1442106196;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 20:57:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271285 << i hear emplacing a workstation is the first step to building a Dark Spire of Darnkess, from which as we all know all atomic dirigibles must proceed. 1272270;1442106301;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankr%C3%A1c_Prison#/media/File:Pamatnik_pankrac_02.JPG 1272271;1442106301;assbot;Pankrác Prison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9MRfX ) 1272272;1442106313;asciilifeform;still can't figure out if slansky lost his head in it, or not 1272273;1442106323;kakobrekla;> best source is the back pages of old (period) american magazines < here the currency on the mags changed so frequently i couldnt keep track, from din to sit to euro, prolly some dem in between. 1272274;1442106358;kakobrekla;well, dem was on german porno rags. 1272275;1442106668;ben_vulpes;http://40.media.tumblr.com/f584252cb295b9c45307981283a45bda/tumblr_nrp3qz7xyh1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg << lol ty mp 1272276;1442106668;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPUOIH ) 1272277;1442106704;*;ben_vulpes to apply another coat of finish to the molding 1272278;1442107154;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271780 << well now i must to ukr 1272279;1442107154;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 21:33:51; mircea_popescu: no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore. 1272280;1442107491;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271883 << unless of course you say "no, and also fuck you, and the revenue numbers are none of your goddamn concern." 1272281;1442107491;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 22:29:17; phf: quitting school? that's a paddling 1272282;1442107514;ben_vulpes;at which point the paddlers may attempt to paddle or they may beat a hasty retreat. 1272283;1442108306;trinque;heh, Randy Blythe of Lamb of God was locked up with that guillotine for supposedly killing a kid by shoving him off the stage 1272284;1442108337;mircea_popescu;gotta ask dank about that ben_vulpes 1272285;1442108833;asciilifeform;trinque: interesting... http://wtvr.com/2012/08/06/randy-blythe-lamb-of-god-czech-republic-interview << has some detail 1272286;1442108835;assbot;Rocker Randy Blythe talks about time in Czech prison | WTVR.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqJcH1 ) 1272287;1442109141;trinque;"A thousand years of failure, a thousand years they bled. To the bear, the blitzkrieg, and the holy father, they just bowed their heads." << I don't know how accurate an assessment of the Czechs that is, but it makes me lol 1272288;1442109191;trinque;from the (relatively mediocre) metal song he wrote in response, "Still Echoes" 1272289;1442109215;asciilifeform;i was in the czech embassy recently 1272290;1442109235;asciilifeform;was revolted when saw a smarmy and profoundly cocksucking pamphlet advertising a general patton memorial. 1272291;1442109303;mircea_popescu;what'd you have them do ? 1272292;1442109318;asciilifeform;beside the point. 1272293;1442109350;asciilifeform;as if there were any shortage of cultural icons they could build a museum for 1272294;1442109350;*;mircea_popescu would like them to go back to bohemia. czech is too hard to spell. 1272295;1442109356;asciilifeform;^ or this! 1272296;1442109364;mircea_popescu;iirc patton liberated them 1272297;1442109368;asciilifeform;чех is pretty easy though 1272298;1442109373;asciilifeform;liberated l0l 1272299;1442109453;asciilifeform;ru did the bulk of the fighting. funnily enough, ~on both sides~ 1272300;1442109469;asciilifeform;(vlasov's army was parked there) 1272301;1442109550;mircea_popescu;heh 1272302;1442109558;asciilifeform;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F#/media/File:Red_Army_section_Olsany_Cemetery_Prague_CZ_056.jpg 1272303;1442109558;assbot;Пражская операция — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9m0kJ ) 1272304;1442109568;asciilifeform;^ my grandpa is not in there. but almost was. 1272305;1442109581;asciilifeform;(marched on prague) 1272306;1442109659;asciilifeform;americans marched on pilsen. 1272307;1442109661;mircea_popescu;iirc my grandfather only got as far as the tatra mountains 1272308;1442109663;mircea_popescu;artillery. 1272309;1442109709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had one in artillery (physics) and one in field hospital (surgeon) 1272310;1442109719;asciilifeform;folks who knew trigonometry tended to end up in artillery. 1272311;1442109724;asciilifeform;in all armies. 1272312;1442109730;asciilifeform;since maybe 1500s. 1272313;1442110941;asciilifeform;'airplane in which an american, czech, scotsman, and russian, begins to fall. scotsman suggests, 'let's swear that he who remains alive, will give the dead men 200 pounds sterling for the road to heaven, and to thank god.' they all agreed. airplane falls, everybody but the scotsman lived. at his burial, the american and the russian put 200 pounds each, like they promised. the czech comes, writes a cheque for 600 pounds, puts i 1272314;1442110941;asciilifeform;n the coffin, and takes away the 400 as change.' 1272315;1442111556;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272083 << what's 'estic' mean ? 1272316;1442111556;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 00:19:29; mircea_popescu: i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it 1272317;1442111651;*;pete_dushenski back from much longer visit to auto mechanic than expected. still, all is well with saddam. in fact, he drives 'better than new s-class' according to fellow who's driven both 1272318;1442111737;cazalla;pete_dushenski, how is it on fuel economy? 1272319;1442111738;pete_dushenski;and now with no rust on front fenders thanks to a fortuitous shop accident that resulted in denting the hood, which needed to be painted after being replaced, and allowed me to piggyback on paint shop time and repair a cosmetic deficiency i may never have bothered with! 1272320;1442111770;pete_dushenski;cazalla: no worse than a full-size pick-up 1272321;1442112053;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272121 <--> gutenberg has, yes. eg. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272135 1272322;1442112053;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 00:39:19; mircea_popescu: clearly the internet has so much helped 1272323;1442112053;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 00:44:50; mircea_popescu: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34181/34181-h/34181-h.htm << must read, by the way. 1272324;1442112150;pete_dushenski;currently reading montaigne's essays and the aeneid on gutenberg. the latter's translation is exceptional, far better than the 2 bit fucking audiobook i'm reading in parallel with it. 1272325;1442112298;pete_dushenski;fuck robert fagles, srsly 1272326;1442112330;pete_dushenski;mkay so he died in '08. no more damage to be wrought. 1272327;1442113142;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272197 << lulz. nice definition of 'alright'. pretty much equal to 'breathing' 1272328;1442113142;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 00:52:36; williamdunne: She was dressed up all goth-like and spoke like a retard so can't imagine she was that good 1272329;1442113293;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272223 << my current one is ~$1`500, approx same as one from 5 years ago that was stolen last fall. 1272330;1442113293;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 00:56:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: update me, what are they worth today 1272331;1442113339;pete_dushenski;new one has some neater features, but inflation hasn't worked in favour of country of manufacture. old one was built in canada, new one... taiwan. 1272332;1442113410;pete_dushenski;'neater features' include integrated headlights in handlebar and 'internal hub' gears (no external derailer, rubber 'chain' instead of metal) 1272333;1442113445;pete_dushenski;http://sheldonbrown.com/s-a/sa-cutaway.gif << internal hub 1272334;1442113447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4tQbd ) 1272335;1442113483;pete_dushenski;mine is 8-speed. 1272336;1442113511;pete_dushenski;'designed in germany' but fuck, might as well be 'designed by apple in california' 1272337;1442113945;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/642381253371686912 << mecca messiness 1272338;1442114293;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272278 << ukr also has the cheapest smokes and absynthe (and probably liquor in general) that i can recall seeing. anywhere. 1272339;1442114293;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 01:19:14; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271780 << well now i must to ukr 1272340;1442114343;pete_dushenski;i remember being impressed that pack of 20 (?) marlboros was <$1 when they'd have been >$10 here 1272341;1442114348;pete_dushenski;and that was the premium brand! 1272342;1442114388;pete_dushenski;there were smokes that were actually ~less than a penny per~. i was tempted to pick up the habit then and there 1272343;1442114412;pete_dushenski;the cheap ones being 'local' brands i'd never heard of and can't recall now 1272344;1442114888;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272333 << interesting... sorta like a motorbike gearbox 1272345;1442114888;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 03:04:05; pete_dushenski: http://sheldonbrown.com/s-a/sa-cutaway.gif << internal hub 1272346;1442114907;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: how useful is it, in practice ? 1272347;1442114983;pete_dushenski;excellent imo. 1272348;1442115000;pete_dushenski;ultra-low maintenance, never derails. 1272349;1442115018;pete_dushenski;they make an 11-speed and that'd be the only change i'd make 1272350;1442115049;pete_dushenski;8 is just ok, needs another two at the top and one at the bottom end 1272351;1442115051;pete_dushenski;bbias 1272352;1442115052;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272337 << 'trust in allah but tied your...' crane. 1272353;1442115052;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 03:12:25; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/642381253371686912 << mecca messiness 1272354;1442116286;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i am suspicious of these internally geared thingers 1272355;1442116302;ben_vulpes;i also suspect that they won't hold up to the kind of thrashing i put my machines through 1272356;1442116328;ben_vulpes;explicating // to new macbooks left as exercise for logreaders 1272357;1442116436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.000754 = 21.112 BTC [-] 1272358;1442117642;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i'm similarly skeptical but there's been nary a hiccup in the first season at least. it'll take another few before i can say much more than that. 1272359;1442117669;pete_dushenski;and i'm not exactly easy on it myself :P 1272360;1442117873;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: and how many macbooks have you burnt through in past 5-7 years ? 1272361;1442117914;pete_dushenski;i have '08 aluminum that's a bit bogged down with cruft but otherwise excellent 1272362;1442118050;pete_dushenski;and '13 'air' with two keys that have their bad days (delete, a) and a weird screen deformity that makes everything a bit washed out but isn't worth $1k to fix 1272363;1442118079;pete_dushenski;then again, i almost certainly don't push them as hard as you do 1272364;1442118125;pete_dushenski;i'm just doing web, text, odd bit of video, once-in-a-blue-moon editing 1272365;1442118150;*;asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it. 1272366;1442118180;asciilifeform;you can get this for somewhere north of a benjie. 1272367;1442118189;asciilifeform;mega-recommended. 1272368;1442118226;asciilifeform;somewhere there is also a set of his correspondence, a good chunk of it in fr, that i don't yet have. 1272369;1442118279;pete_dushenski;in fr ? monsieur blair ! 1272370;1442118293;asciilifeform;aha. 1272371;1442118380;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the keyboards don't come out of these things any more ? 1272372;1442118395;asciilifeform;otherwise i can't fathom why anyone would live with dead keys 1272373;1442118443;pete_dushenski;1. 'air' is sealed tighter than an 80yo nun, 2. it's like once a month for some reason. 1272374;1442118472;asciilifeform;i have an 'air' that i've replaced virtually all of at one time or another... 1272375;1442118489;pete_dushenski;;;google replace macbook air keyboard 1272376;1442118490;gribble;Replacing the MacBook air keyboard - MacBook Air Models A1237 ...: ; MacBook Air Repair - iFixit: ; Macbook Air A1369 A1466 Keyboard Repair & Replacement - how ...: 1272377;1442118501;asciilifeform;it comes out if you lift the mb. 1272378;1442118547;asciilifeform;'air' is a dream to open compared to the old g4 'powerbooks' where you needed a spudger 1272379;1442118558;asciilifeform;(old bank cards make the best spudgers imho) 1272380;1442118672;pete_dushenski;well shows what i know about wrenching on apple hardware! 1272381;1442118734;pete_dushenski;i also recently cracked open ~2kg of dead tree goodness : a history of private lives, volumes i-iv 1272382;1442118764;asciilifeform;i only have vol. 1 1272383;1442118774;pete_dushenski;actually, probably more like ~4kg for the set 1272384;1442118790;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. this is the only one i've yet cracked 1272385;1442118803;asciilifeform;it is spiffy 1272386;1442118818;pete_dushenski;fantastic reading. highly recommended 1272387;1442118826;asciilifeform;i tried at one time to find some info re: 'troat hunting' where a deer is coralled and its screams attract others - mentioned therein 1272388;1442118909;asciilifeform;never found any mention of it elsewhere. 1272389;1442118983;pete_dushenski;i have it right in front of me and i see neither 'troat' nor 'hunting' in the index. hmm 1272390;1442119002;asciilifeform;https://books.google.com/books?id=BqXQUQ4nW4gC&pg=PA487&lpg=PA487&dq=troat+hunting&source=bl&ots=HaKp0SI9MW&sig=GyI_tnyqggTtUj32C3zdmaK7_HI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAGoVChMIh--v8ZfzxwIVxB4eCh2LPgr_#v=onepage&q=troat%20hunting&f=false 1272391;1442119003;assbot;A History of Private Life: From Pagan Rome to Byzantium - Paul Veyne - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4GbMD ) 1272392;1442119151;pete_dushenski;^ shame that images are missing. the artwork collected therein is really quite lovely 1272393;1442119277;pete_dushenski;"The old Celtic practice today known as chasse au brame, troat-hunting, involved placing a rutting stag in a U-shaped trap of trees and nets; when the stag began to troat, does and other stags would approach and be caught." 1272394;1442119604;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gg3HhnZg5Q << modern day equivalent uses horn of sorts to mimic troating stag 1272395;1442119605;assbot;chasse du cerf au brame 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM2aSI ) 1272396;1442119688;pete_dushenski;;;seen dignork 1272397;1442119688;gribble;dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: Genius - https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js 1272398;1442119706;pete_dushenski;hm. some lord. 1272399;1442119753;pete_dushenski;;;seen artifexd 1272400;1442119753;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1272401;1442119762;pete_dushenski;ouch. even worse. 1272402;1442121779;pete_dushenski;"Nationwide The building society says its customers can withdraw up to £2,000 per account a day. “However, if they want to withdraw more than £500, it is best to pre-book the amount with the branch to ensure that it has the cash available." << derp/ 1272403;1442121785;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/12/big-cash-withdrawals-bank-barclays-denied-access 1272404;1442121786;assbot;Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Don’t bank on being allowed | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kj0bi3 ) 1272405;1442121816;pete_dushenski;£500 buys what in england these days, a sweatshirt ? a rental car for the weekend ? 1272406;1442122902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00075183 = 38.9448 BTC [-] {5} 1272407;1442123085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00074875 = 45.6738 BTC [-] {2} 1272408;1442123711;cazalla;http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/ad-blocking-in-apples-ios-9-highlights-rift-over-ads-with-app-publishers/ <<< what's in it for apple to support this? just a measure to get people to buy the next iphone or what 1272409;1442123712;assbot;Ad blocking in Apple's iOS 9 highlights rift over ads with app publishers | GamesBeat | Games | by Dean Takahashi ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV8PD4 ) 1272410;1442124049;pete_dushenski;more like another revenue stream for apple. 1272411;1442124062;pete_dushenski;now only 'privileged' advertisers will be allowed 1272412;1442124081;pete_dushenski;like ff 'adblocker' does iirc 1272413;1442124133;pete_dushenski;'adblock plus' 1272414;1442124169;cazalla;at least you have the option to use ublock with ff now.. doesn't apple have it's own ad network though, iads if memory serves 1272415;1442124226;pete_dushenski;for apps, yes. i guess they're moving that philosophy over to safari or w/e 1272416;1442124491;pete_dushenski;!up warptangent 1272417;1442126318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00074786 = 21.2018 BTC [-] {2} 1272418;1442127563;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos-after-delegates-take-hallucinogenic-drug-10491114.html 1272419;1442127564;assbot;Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7Guig ) 1272420;1442127873;mircea_popescu;cigs were always the cheapest in the soviet empire. 1272421;1442128213;punkman;http://40.media.tumblr.com/0bf15563ede547037b904012017c52b8/tumblr_nuk57qofmu1ugq5jto1_1280.jpg 1272422;1442128214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7HKSn ) 1272423;1442128248;mircea_popescu;assbot> Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Dont bank on being allowed | << the advantage of the internet. what "bank run" ? sit at the computer and cry like the little bitch that you are. 1272424;1442129157;punkman;heh http://www.droneinjurieslawyer.com/ 1272425;1442129160;assbot;Drone Injuries Lawyer Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7JB9Q ) 1272426;1442129347;mircea_popescu;"hello sir i am an injured drone" ? 1272427;1442129391;punkman;not yet, but soon enough 1272428;1442129624;mircea_popescu;actualy, drones that broadcast the cries of injured children / burn unit victims / rape victims etc would make a pretty decent terrorism application. 1272429;1442129627;mircea_popescu;sorta troat hunting ++ 1272430;1442129644;mircea_popescu;the cats would love to drive them around also. 1272431;1442129735;mircea_popescu;Regretfully, all the aspirations of reformers of American mathematical education go in the opposite direction. Mastery of algorithms makes students self-sufficient - get away from it, make them dependent on Texas Instruments. Logical proofs develop 1272432;1442129735;mircea_popescu;students mental discipline - get away from them also. Traditional word problems allow to determine the right answer - get away from them also. 1272433;1442129735;mircea_popescu;What the reformers promote, that is open-ended problems, real-world problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teachers mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~ 1272434;1442129739;mircea_popescu;aaaand the truth emerges. 1272435;1442129745;mircea_popescu;what the us is producing is slaves, not people. 1272436;1442129797;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COvAcV9WgAAnepS.jpg:large that twinkle in his eye 1272437;1442129798;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwQHCo ) 1272438;1442130646;Naphex;punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQOTbv5jTSA homeopathy by one if the biggest med-scammers; enjoy :)) 1272439;1442130647;assbot;Water, Wine and Homeopathy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7MdVd ) 1272440;1442130694;Naphex;punkman: this guy scammed ~100mil $ USD from dumb americans and then moved to budapest and went insane :) 1272441;1442130749;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx4siPRmd5k 1272442;1442130750;assbot;Sugar Coated Message To Media from Desire Dubounet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7Mojg ) 1272443;1442130754;Naphex;o.O; 1272444;1442130827;Naphex;actually met this guy in Budapest when a friend of mine got sent by his rich mother to help solve his cluster headaches 1272445;1442130836;Naphex;one of the most insane experiences in my life lol 1272446;1442130870;Naphex;he is now selling SCIO 'bio-resonance' machines for ~25k USD around europe 1272447;1442130921;mircea_popescu;lmao 1272448;1442130923;Naphex;hi device obviously cure everything from cancer to aids 1272449;1442130926;Naphex;his* 1272450;1442130988;mircea_popescu;wait. a transvestite scammed a bunch of retarded usians for 100mn ? 1272451;1442130995;Naphex;yep 1272452;1442131001;Naphex;well before he was a tranvestite 1272453;1442131019;mircea_popescu;http://desiredubounet.com/2012/02/03/desire-dubounet-the-pin-up-girl/ 1272454;1442131024;Naphex;he is scamming europeans as a tranvestite 1272455;1442131091;Naphex;his lakeys play it like his a insane genius 1272456;1442131123;Naphex;he assumed the life of Bill Nelson (some us senator that worked for nasa) since their name is so similar 1272457;1442131155;punkman;http://www.quantumenergywellness.com/index-7.htm 1272458;1442131157;assbot;Quantum Energy Wellness - How does the SCIO Work? ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NbAG ) 1272459;1442131165;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJwe8pSN-Q 1272460;1442131166;assbot;Professor Bill Nelson, inventor of the amazing QXCI diagnost - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NdIM ) 1272461;1442131263;Naphex;it's pure crazyness. and people still fall for it 1272462;1442131289;Naphex;http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/bill-nelson-wins-the-internet/ 1272463;1442131290;assbot;Bill Nelson wins the internet. – Bad Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NqvG ) 1272464;1442131296;Naphex;this is his 'amazing' device 1272465;1442131296;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1272466;1442131332;Naphex;they still hold seminars and sells and other junk around 1272467;1442131347;Naphex;and bribe doctors to present/have the device or call it interesting 1272468;1442131459;mircea_popescu;o quantum right ? 1272469;1442131464;Naphex;yep.. 1272470;1442131470;mircea_popescu;yeah makes sense. 1272471;1442131509;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChyxfWuYAs he tried getting his scam to run in Canada, but got owned by the mainstream press 1272472;1442131509;assbot;Miracle Makers or Money Takers? | CBC News Marketplace - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NMCo ) 1272473;1442131550;Naphex;has a 8 story block in budapest that houses everything from the programmers and device developers, to makeshift porn studios 1272474;1442131603;Naphex;i was trying to explain my retarded rich friends that he was a scammer and gave them resources 1272475;1442131617;Naphex;the responses i got back 'well if you're so smart, why don't you have 100mn" 1272476;1442131624;mircea_popescu;logic. 1272477;1442131726;mircea_popescu;http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/xrroid.html 1272478;1442131728;assbot;Some Notes on the Quantum Xrroid (QXCI) and William C. Nelson ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7Ocsv ) 1272479;1442131780;mircea_popescu;Naphex apparently he's been working at it for 25 years. which may explain why he has "100mn" and you don't. 1272480;1442131804;Naphex;yeah 1272481;1442131824;Naphex;but it's pure crazyness you shouldn't even be able to fall for this shit with a IQ higher than 75 1272482;1442131834;Naphex;but it works and people shower him with moneys 1272483;1442131848;mircea_popescu; QX Ltd. has stated that more than 3,000 Xrroid devices have been sold worldwide. The 2002 price for the interface device, software, user manual, and basic training was $13,000. 1272484;1442131854;mircea_popescu;this seems a little short of 100mn. 1272485;1442131871;Naphex;sec i'll find the article that referenced the 100mn 1272486;1442131936;mircea_popescu; Records from the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia indicate that Nelson was indicted for mail fraud in June 1996 and was placed on the fugitive list several months later 1272487;1442131983;mircea_popescu;"Upon studying the software I also found pornographic images embedded in it, for what reason I was unable to determine." 1272488;1442131984;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1272489;1442131991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30671 @ 0.00075571 = 23.1784 BTC [+] 1272490;1442132000;mircea_popescu;this thing is starting to sound like a bitcoin! 1272491;1442132031;Naphex;http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/how-one-mans-invention-is-part-of-a-growing-worldwide-scam-that-snares-the-desperately-ill/ 1272492;1442132032;assbot;How one man’s invention is part of a growing worldwide scam that snares the desperately ill | The Seattle Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYTZ4E ) 1272493;1442132094;Naphex;mircea_popescu: it's a full blown cult, and the programs are extended with training and all other social bullshit that will cost everyone 1272494;1442132099;Naphex;and his recent devices cost some 25k 1272495;1442132134;mircea_popescu;well honestly... i'd much rather a deranged tranny get all the moneys, than a bunch of retards getting to keep it. 1272496;1442132161;mircea_popescu;at least he's lulzy. these idiots are just stolidly boring. 1272497;1442132194;Naphex;haha yep 1272498;1442132201;Naphex;they are in a rush also to give him money so.. 1272499;1442132255;mircea_popescu;how's he worse than tim cook anyway. 1272500;1442132296;Naphex;well i guess this guys quantum devices get tumors to fall off o.O; 1272501;1442132302;mircea_popescu;http://desiredubounet.com/files/2012/05/Vargas-Pin-Up-Girl-Pic-to-stop-her-they-had-to-slur-her-663x1024.jpg 1272502;1442132303;assbot;Oops, servers overloaded ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYUvjc ) 1272503;1442132327;Naphex;mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/6ChyxfWuYAs?t=813 1272504;1442132327;assbot;Miracle Makers or Money Takers? | CBC News Marketplace - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYUxaH ) 1272505;1442132336;mircea_popescu;http://desiredubounet.com/files/2012/05/Vargas-Pin-Up-Girl-Pic-7-682x1024.jpg << can someone explai nthis one ? 1272506;1442132337;assbot;Oops, servers overloaded ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYUxHO ) 1272507;1442132379;mircea_popescu;anyway, very respectable boob job. 1272508;1442132383;Naphex;5 sessions and an in-operable tumor just fell off 1272509;1442132390;Naphex;brain tumor* 1272510;1442132424;deedbot-;[Trilema] A bunch of assholes. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-bunch-of-assholes/ 1272511;1442132440;Naphex;anyway my whole experence was 3 weeks trying to prove my rich friend and his mother that his aa scammer; this culminated in dinner with him in budapest 1272512;1442132444;mircea_popescu;fell off, hitting the amygdala and bruising the brainstem, causing death. 1272513;1442132456;Naphex;and spending the night in his guest room at his hq 1272514;1442132459;mircea_popescu;o.O 1272515;1442132487;mircea_popescu;so didja get him to invest in a new invention like quantum teledildonics or something ? 1272516;1442132496;cazalla;Naphex, not even worth your time, they want to be scammed - my mother is/was into John Edwards as is an aunty, and they rave about him, went to a live show and all 1272517;1442132528;mircea_popescu;how come it's mostly women 1272518;1442132529;Naphex;nah I passed; too much crazyness; he does pay shitloads of guys insane money for building his scam sites / software and everything else 1272519;1442132576;mircea_popescu;cazalla the ex-senator ?! 1272520;1442132592;cazalla;no, the speaking with dead people one 1272521;1442132641;cazalla;you know, a few years ago i put an advertisement in gumtree (aussie craigslist) for free psychic readings and you would not believe the barrage of phone calls 1272522;1442132664;punkman;cazalla: so why don't you have $100mil yet 1272523;1442132679;Naphex;yeah good question 1272524;1442132693;cazalla;punkman, well it was for a laugh, not to actually scam monies 1272525;1442132717;mircea_popescu;da fuck is wron with people already. 1272526;1442132733;mircea_popescu;i suppose ima retire to this, eventually. "i will guess how much your bike cost!" 1272527;1442132779;BingoBoingo;Oh, TI-92 arrived yesterday. Much larger than I imagined 1272528;1442132880;BingoBoingo;Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop 1272529;1442133272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.00075571 = 8.4103 BTC [+] 1272530;1442133333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45121 @ 0.00075503 = 34.0677 BTC [-] {3} 1272531;1442133532;punkman;"According to the 2012 census, the total population was 44,928,923. The under 15 age group represented 44.1% of the population." << tanzania's pretty young eh 1272532;1442133628;phf;asciilifeform: btw i take back 'inria was once useful' << inria is behind caml and presently maintains ocaml, they also do Cog, but i think that's pushing the limit of "useful" 1272533;1442133810;cazalla;i wonder if there is a tanzanian bitcoin embassy 1272534;1442134002;phf;i know there's some tension between yaron minsky's (of jane street capital) extensions to core library and inria's core, but someone with better knowledge of language can chime if inria is in the wrong 1272535;1442135041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43961 @ 0.00074689 = 32.834 BTC [-] {3} 1272536;1442135565;phf;ben_vulpes: reference material http://michaelgmunz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/thats-a-paddlin-30027.jpg 1272537;1442135567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iGfmY4 ) 1272538;1442135756;phf;ben_vulpes: also it was 90s russia, lots of people did "revenue numbers are none of your goddamn concern", and it mostly looked like playing lottery. shipping european clothing from turkey, or driving bmw's from germany for resale, all the while hoping that your criminal "roof" was stronger then the neighbor's 1272539;1442135903;phf;unless you come across a genuine opportunity (e.g. your uncle is a general, or your dad was director of a factory/storage/pipeline), imho it was basically like throwing out genuine education for half a million dollars in cash 1272540;1442136259;phf;i suspect that mp made profit on the decade since he's a bit older then myself, i started at the tail end, and when king yeltsin abdicated that was pretty much the end of it 1272541;1442136797;mircea_popescu;lol. people were still insisting "it's never gonna end" in 2004. 1272542;1442136895;mircea_popescu;anyway, the moral therein being : it's much better to spend stormy weather in a lake than in an ocean. which is why people figuring on doing the whole "survivalist" schtick in the us are basically retarded. 1272543;1442137047;mircea_popescu;but that aside : 500k in cash is still a better deal than what present day usians get. they still have no education, but -500k in cash to go with it too. 1272544;1442137109;mircea_popescu;and caml was, iirc, 1995. 1272545;1442137131;mircea_popescu;i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me. 1272546;1442138945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21921 @ 0.00075722 = 16.599 BTC [+] 1272547;1442141080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47982 @ 0.00075765 = 36.3536 BTC [+] {3} 1272548;1442141507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00075865 = 27.6149 BTC [+] {4} 1272549;1442142788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11662 @ 0.00075722 = 8.8307 BTC [-] 1272550;1442151023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156800 @ 0.00074373 = 116.6169 BTC [-] {5} 1272551;1442151956;shinohai;https://hacked.com/mit-triumphs-insecure-university-us-study-reveals/ <<< HUE 1272552;1442151957;assbot;MIT Triumphs as the Most Insecure University in the US, Study Reveals | Hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1i8oBjn ) 1272553;1442152577;thestringpuller;So glad I went to Georgia Tech over MIT these days. 1272554;1442152593;thestringpuller;except for the lack of women during my years there. 1272555;1442155840;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272545 <<<<>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-01-2015#963976 1272556;1442155840;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 09:38:51; mircea_popescu: i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me. 1272557;1442155840;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2015 20:01:05; ascii_modem: for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built 1272558;1442155844;asciilifeform;!s clos 1272559;1442155845;assbot;51 results for 'clos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=clos 1272560;1442156500;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272433 << described in agonizing detail by john t gatto 1272561;1442156500;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 07:35:35; mircea_popescu: What the reformers promote, that is open-ended problems, real-world problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teachers mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~ 1272562;1442156742;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272528 << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy. 1272563;1442156742;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 08:28:00; BingoBoingo: Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop 1272564;1442156965;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/%3Cimg%20src=%27http://imgur.com/SUGvmvd.jpg%27%3E:0.11.0 << l0l 1272565;1442156967;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrGXTI ) 1272566;1442157040;thestringpuller;hahahaha. i'm excited for 'creative' user-agents in the future 1272567;1442157069;chetty;<< it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy.// is there a thumb equivalent of carpal tunnel yet? 1272568;1442158404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00074331 = 41.4767 BTC [-] 1272569;1442160173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71031 @ 0.00074283 = 52.764 BTC [-] {4} 1272570;1442163162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108300 @ 0.00074374 = 80.547 BTC [+] {5} 1272571;1442163254;asciilifeform;'In my own CAS development experience, I've found it nearly impossible to do what the TI-89 does, that is, automatically perform these simplifications without wrapping them in a 'hint' function. I've found that both in terms of computational cost, and in pure software engineering difficulty, this is basically impossible to do. Every CAS I've ever built has involved horrendous debugging of infinite recursion and similar bugs du 1272572;1442163254;asciilifeform;e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without a 'hint' makes me feel a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power a desktop has?' 1272573;1442163269;asciilifeform;(re: 'derive' & friends. from http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/348809/computer-algebra-how-does-the-ti-89-do-it ) 1272574;1442163270;assbot;Computer Algebra: How does the TI-89 do it? - Mathematics Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkIH79 ) 1272575;1442163274;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski remarkably few, actually. i have one 15" mbp from ~08 i think that's holding up remarkably well. 1272576;1442163274;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1272577;1442163289;ben_vulpes;myriad other office devices in various stages of decrepitude. 1272578;1442163391;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought. 1272579;1442163428;ben_vulpes;c'est possible 1272580;1442163438;ben_vulpes;might be 2010, now that i think of it. 1272581;1442163456;asciilifeform;iirc machines from 2007-2011 affected. 1272582;1442163474;asciilifeform;and for all i know, every single nvidia anything ever made. 1272583;1442163479;asciilifeform;including now. 1272584;1442165227;asciilifeform;'Pick your favorite expression that is zero but not easily simplified to zero by the CAS. Then divide by this zero and deduce all kinds of absurdities.' 1272585;1442165312;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/papers/y=z2w.pdf << also interesting 1272586;1442165314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y03j8j ) 1272587;1442165320;asciilifeform;(and NO it can't exist as txt, fuck you, buy a printer.) 1272588;1442166679;thestringpuller;why you hate nvidia asciilifeform ? 1272589;1442167212;*;trinque listens to the neighbor kid screaming "no" at his single mother for the 8th time 1272590;1442167227;trinque;my parents would've cracked my ass the other direction by now 1272591;1442168294;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: because it is one of the great evils of our time. 1272592;1442169904;thestringpuller;the CEO is so dope tho 1272593;1442169924;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/nvidias-boss-kill-your-company-a-bit-every-day/ 1272594;1442169948;thestringpuller;“The C.E.O. has to be the virus,” Mr. Huang said. “To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day.” 1272595;1442170055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00075049 = 31.5206 BTC [+] {3} 1272596;1442171031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8133 @ 0.00074713 = 6.0764 BTC [-] 1272597;1442172047;BingoBoingo; ... << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy. << It is truly a more impressive machine than I was anticipating. The screen is actually usefully large. 1272598;1442172770;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 cukes worked swimmingly, thanks again. 1272599;1442172771;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1272600;1442172853;nubbins`;asciilifeform: re: the cost of bicycles -- i'm reminded of your rant about how in computing, there's no "professional grade equipment", i.e. people who code for a living are using the same hw as people who check facebook all day long 1272601;1442172871;nubbins`;$100 will buy you what is commonly referred to as a BSO -- a Bicycle-Shaped Object 1272602;1442172896;nubbins`;$500+ will buy you something you can rely on to, e.g., get you to work/school/market every day for years without failure 1272603;1442172943;nubbins`;most of the cost is in components; a frame is a frame (to some extent), but having your brake discs machined vs stamped from sheet makes a big difference for longevity as well as maintenance 1272604;1442172995;nubbins`;most cheap bicycles simply do not work for any reasonable definition of "work" 1272605;1442173022;nubbins`;constant chain derailments, heavy friction wear from parts grinding, frame failures from bad welds... 1272606;1442173113;nubbins`;https://www.google.ca/search?q=bicycle+frame+failure&tbm=isch is not smth you want happening while you're doing 60km/h in traffic 1272607;1442173114;assbot;bicycle frame failure - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1UNt50m ) 1272608;1442173207;nubbins`;it's not uncommon for serious cyclists (touring 100km+, racing, etc) to purchase high quality steel frames that were made 20+ years ago 1272609;1442173280;nubbins`;unrelated: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-rick-hillier-refugees-military-christmas-1.3225732 1272610;1442173282;assbot;Rick Hillier says military can help bring in 50,000 refugees by Christmas - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UNtkZp ) 1272611;1442173301;trinque;didn't these people see Children of Men? 1272612;1442173316;nubbins`;this whole refugee thing is really bringing the complete fucking idiots out of the woodwork 1272613;1442173347;trinque;they're the ultimate victims 1272614;1442173350;trinque;and the socialist state loves those 1272615;1442173387;nubbins`;lots of people pointing to pictures of, e.g., mattresses & trash left behind in train stations, refugees holding "$600 cell phones" 1272616;1442173407;nubbins`;as if somehow it makes more sense to bring a goddamn mattress on a train instead of your only link to the outside world 1272617;1442173426;nubbins`;as if the mattresses were not brought there by local citizens 1272618;1442173432;nubbins`;as if you can't buy a used smartphone for $100 1272619;1442173432;nubbins`;etc 1272620;1442173435;shinohai;Just ignore the problem and play refugee Mario. 1272621;1442173445;shinohai;On your smartphone. 1272622;1442173450;nubbins`;i'm actually playing captain toad treasure tracker atm 1272623;1442173504;mod6;shinohai: cool! 1272624;1442173509;trinque;mega-lol @ germany committing to allowing in a million refugees and closing its borders within a span of days 1272625;1442173510;nubbins`;"look, see? refugees throwing rocks at police" under a photograph of a football riot from 2012. 1272626;1442173537;nubbins`;trinque my understanding is that it's not the numbers but the timing. 1272627;1442173544;nubbins`;i can drink 18 beers, but not in an hour 1272628;1442173610;trinque;the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable 1272629;1442173627;trinque;to say the very least 1272630;1442173739;nubbins`;the cynic in me wonders if the whole "refugee quotas" thing is germany's push to cripple other EU economies 1272631;1442173758;shinohai;I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few. 1272632;1442173761;trinque;whether it's intended, it surely will head that direction. 1272633;1442173797;nubbins`;"saudi arabia can house X refugees, why aren't they heading there?" 1272634;1442173798;trinque;europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees. 1272635;1442173806;nubbins`;as if anyone in the fucking world wants to live in saudi arabia 1272636;1442173855;nubbins`;might as well suggest the refugees head to usa. 1272637;1442173868;trinque;really, no one says there has to be any sane solution 1272638;1442173905;nubbins`;^ 1272639;1442173921;trinque;heh, the era of the clusterfuck 1272640;1442174026;nubbins`;anyway, who knows? 1272641;1442174050;nubbins`;this whole part of the country i live in was mainly settled by irish escaping the potato famine 1272642;1442174092;nubbins`;refugees escaping an oppressive regime 1272643;1442174099;nubbins`;and we're (arguably) doing ok now 1272644;1442174185;trinque;the distinction I see is that those were still rather culturally similar to the folks already there, no? 1272645;1442174208;trinque;muslims seem to be a few degrees more willing to go apeshit in the streets, or worse 1272646;1442174219;trinque;and I'm imagining *that* demanding ever more socialism 1272647;1442174231;nubbins`;trinque, if you'd asked the british whether the irish were rather culturally similar, they'd have said no 1272648;1442174233;trinque;it seems to be the perfect thing to suck the socialist state completely dry 1272649;1442174275;nubbins`;going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government 1272650;1442174300;nubbins`;mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim 1272651;1442174333;nubbins`;just tired of boots on their throats 1272652;1442174364;trinque;could go many ways. 1272653;1442174376;nubbins`;will be quite the spectacle either way, yep. 1272654;1442174401;nubbins`;o look, one of the local prostitutes seems to be pregnant 1272655;1442174666;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271941 << I got arrested in the principal's office when a librarian who had a grudge against me (she was the mother of some kids in the military and didn't like that i didn't stand for the "pledge of allegiance") ratted me out for yelling "i'm gonna kill you" (not in earnest, it was just the thing to say at the time) at some kids who made a habit of teasing me 1272656;1442174666;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 22:49:42; cazalla: trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days 1272657;1442175196;trinque;american public school is prison 1272658;1442175210;trinque;they want you to know that they can bring you back to prison at any moment 1272659;1442175390;nubbins`;buncha miscreants 1272660;1442175420;nubbins`;in fairness, you guys are all pretty weird 1272661;1442175439;nubbins`;cazalla i had a similar device to your sky3ds or w/e for my original DS 1272662;1442175540;trinque;nubbins`: trying to stamp out weird is precisely the sin of the socialist state 1272663;1442175547;trinque;weird is where everything interesting comes from. 1272664;1442175558;danielpbarron;oh and I think I have a "3ds" that someone left with me as collateral over a bitcoin deal and later said keep it 1272665;1442175584;trinque;let the cattle have their safe public school where they memorize a few useful facts, and let the miscreants join some academy where their mistakes blow their hands off 1272666;1442175626;nubbins`;trinque only the socialist state? 1272667;1442175643;nubbins`;danielpbarron let's go halfsies on a game 1272668;1442175752;danielpbarron;i'm looking up images now, and it looks like i might have the "DS" 1272669;1442175770;nubbins`;i think they look pretty similar 1272670;1442175772;nubbins`;nfi really 1272671;1442175795;nubbins`;i had two actual DS carts (mario kart korean version, advance wars 2) before i bought an SD loader 1272672;1442175805;trinque;nubbins`: not at all; the western christian church has gotten equally boring. 1272673;1442175816;danielpbarron;i'll try to find out which it is and get back to you, but if it's compatible I think i'd like to take you up on the offer 1272674;1442175821;danielpbarron;you said it's like lemmings? 1272675;1442175828;nubbins`;luckily for me, all the text in korean mario kart was just transliterated english 1272676;1442175841;nubbins`;danielpbarron seems so. and there's a level creation/sharing thing 1272677;1442175850;nubbins`;so you can grab cool new levels that others have created, etc 1272678;1442175867;danielpbarron;i used to love that game, never finished it 1272679;1442175879;nubbins`;we had a few lemmings games, always fun 1272680;1442175903;nubbins`;the game's only $20usd, but they give you the wii u AND 3ds versions with purchase, and i don't have a 3ds 1272681;1442175904;trinque;ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS 1272682;1442175907;danielpbarron;i think i played it on DOS or windows 95 1272683;1442175914;trinque;great music too 1272684;1442175915;nubbins`;lemmings is actually why we bought our first mouse 1272685;1442175919;nubbins`;so i guess it was DOS 1272686;1442175949;nubbins`;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmings_2:_The_Tribes 1272687;1442175950;assbot;Lemmings 2: The Tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOgpzv ) 1272688;1442175951;nubbins`;^ best lemmings 1272689;1442175996;danielpbarron;oh i just realized i was thinking of a different game, but this one was also great. 1272690;1442176029;nubbins`;heh 1272691;1442176037;nubbins`;you were thinking of Worms, maybe? 1272692;1442176038;danielpbarron;i was thinking of "Pushover" 1272693;1442176048;nubbins`;ah 1272694;1442176097;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXHEuQH0q_4 1272695;1442176098;assbot;Pushover Gameplay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOgBi1 ) 1272696;1442176132;danielpbarron;level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways 1272697;1442176157;cazalla;danielpbarron, copper asked me multiple time if i actually had guns heh, this was shortly after the columbine shootings mind you 1272698;1442176174;danielpbarron;same here 1272699;1442176181;nubbins`;fun 1272700;1442176182;cazalla;nubbins`, the sky3ds is pretty sweet, but will only load 3ds games, not backward compatible 1272701;1442176187;nubbins`;shame 1272702;1442176205;nubbins`;i had an R4DS cart for my ds, took microsd 1272703;1442176223;cazalla;same 1272704;1442176229;nubbins`;oh, there's an R4 3DS now. 1272705;1442176259;cazalla;apparently there are better carts than the sky3ds but at the time, that is all that was available for the firmware my 3ds has 1272706;1442176265;trinque;what parent would let cops and bureaucrats educate their children at all? 1272707;1442176279;nubbins`;yeah it's a constant battle 1272708;1442176304;cazalla;trinque, parents who would rather be doing something else than parenting 1272709;1442176310;trinque;kid: "I'm going to kill you all." parent: *SLAP* kid: "I'm very sorry." 1272710;1442176343;nubbins`;http://cointelegraph.com/news/115266/bitcoin-will-be-the-technology-that-unifies-a-united-states-of-africa 1272711;1442176344;assbot;‘Bitcoin will be the Technology that Unifies a United States of Africa’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOgVgS ) 1272712;1442176345;nubbins`;lel 1272713;1442176356;nubbins`;isn't robert mugabe the current head of the AU? 1272714;1442176400;trinque;danielpbarron: this game with the dominoes looks fun 1272715;1442176421;danielpbarron;yeah i'm still watching the video, makes me want to get it again 1272716;1442176425;nubbins`;heh. 1272717;1442176432;nubbins`;i'm tempted to grab Worms 2 1272718;1442176440;cazalla;trinque, tbh, that made me even more determined, not saying not to hit kids but i think it needs to be applied in a manner my own parents failed to do 1272719;1442176441;nubbins`;but: gotta focus 1272720;1442176448;nubbins`;1 level left to complete in captain toad 1272721;1442176466;trinque;cazalla: sure, I only got my ass kicked when I was being a moron. 1272722;1442176472;trinque;and I still have all my parts functional 1272723;1442176474;trinque;:p 1272724;1442176681;trinque;and I think on the other side, without that, you leave the child without the ability to exercise self-restraint at all 1272725;1442176710;trinque;like my oft-mentioned case of seeing the kid punching his mother in the tit at the grocery store 1272726;1442176726;trinque;isn't just a disservice to her; that kid's going to be fucking useless 1272727;1442176775;cazalla;not sure, but i think that is pretty normal for kids to lash out at their parents 1272728;1442176802;cazalla;of course now, the parents don't respond by hitting back but by taking the kid through a circus of doctors 1272729;1442176902;trinque;sure it's normal once, and normal for the kid to be corrected right then 1272730;1442176924;trinque;this bitch was like "Now whateveryourname, that isn't very nice is it?" 1272731;1442177010;cazalla;let's say she turns around and clips the kid across the face, in public 1272732;1442177039;danielpbarron;CPS called, kid confiscated 1272733;1442177047;cazalla;you'd have no shortage of do-gooders running to the kid's rescue.. difficult to raise kids properly in the welfare state because big daddy comes and clips you one too 1272734;1442177066;nubbins`;lelel 1272735;1442177071;nubbins`;THAT ISN'T VERY NICE IS IT 1272736;1442177082;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272637 1272737;1442177082;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:51:08; trinque: really, no one says there has to be any sane solution 1272738;1442177085;nubbins`;as if being not very nice is a thing this animal would abhor 1272739;1442177090;trinque;lol yeah 1272740;1442177097;trinque;just appeal to his inner reason! 1272741;1442177112;nubbins`;nevermind that his brain won't work like that for another half-decade at best 1272742;1442177119;trinque;because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain 1272743;1442177140;nubbins`;"don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to a 3yo 1272744;1442177148;trinque;"now poopsiekins!" 1272745;1442177152;nubbins`;as if "take you" has any meaning to a toddler 1272746;1442177158;trinque;kid was precisely cartman 1272747;1442177173;cazalla;i don't think dishing out some old fashioned discipline to the toddler is really going to help either 1272748;1442177175;trinque;well no, cartman had cunning; I wont give him that compliment 1272749;1442177185;nubbins`;anyway, i'm way too selfish and irresponsible to sire a child 1272750;1442177198;trinque;cazalla: why is that? 1272751;1442177202;nubbins`;so all this is "other people's problems" 1272752;1442177211;trinque;seems a simple formula: If you hit this thing that feeds you, it's going to kill you instead. 1272753;1442177242;cazalla;trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction 1272754;1442177262;nubbins`;2250 coins, level 19 1272755;1442177266;nubbins`;so close, not even close 1272756;1442177274;cazalla;at least that is what i've observed with my own son.. telling him no does seem to encourage the behaviour more, so we usually ignore or draw as little attention to it as possible 1272757;1442177402;trinque;I'm advocating the swift kick in the ass, not saying "no". 1272758;1442177413;trinque;and I understood that just fine when I was little 1272759;1442177487;cazalla;not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time 1272760;1442177528;trinque;ah sure that young, they're going to scream and do all sorts of nonsensical things 1272761;1442177552;trinque;but when they start developing a personality, that's where I think you can do great damage by not teaching them self-restraint 1272762;1442177586;trinque;or more specifically allowing them to think that the world is something which brings you what you want when you scream 1272763;1442177589;danielpbarron;nubbins`> "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to a 3yo << reminds me of this odd phrase a friend's son uses: "what's it gonna do to me?" // I suspect it's the result of public school teaching him that anything not blessed by the state is dangerous 1272764;1442177605;shinohai;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-12/russian-bank-caught-using-fake-gold-reserve-capital <<< More mircea_popescu was right abt gold news. 1272765;1442177606;assbot;Bank Caught Using Fake Gold As Reserve Capital In Russia | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb2Cnw ) 1272766;1442177707;trinque;cazalla: I'd say by about 2 or 3 you could encounter a mild pop on the ass in my family for screaming fits and other carrying on 1272767;1442177834;cazalla;trinque, i copped it from a young age too and these are the only memories I have around the ages of 4-5 , not convinced it would actually do my son any benefit 1272768;1442177865;cazalla;of course, was more than a kick in the ass 1272769;1442177883;cazalla;so perhaps you're right and it's just the dosage 1272770;1442177923;trinque;difference between medicine and poison right? 1272771;1442178168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00074713 = 31.2674 BTC [-] 1272772;1442178262;cazalla;goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead 1272773;1442178403;cazalla;kids are sorta like housing in that you're expected to pay for it, look after it, maintain it but in no way can you actually do what you want with it because you don't really own it.. as mentioned here many times 1272774;1442178433;trinque;what a world 1272775;1442178447;trinque;at least when the dulap comes they can claim they helped make the kid, lol 1272776;1442178685;cazalla;run more windows, raised more kids in the western world type deal eh 1272777;1442178833;nubbins`;canada sold all its gold, save 3 tons, in ~2006 1272778;1442178855;nubbins`;BET THERE'S A STORY WE'LL NEVER HEAR BEHIND THAT 1272779;1442178900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18367 @ 0.00074713 = 13.7225 BTC [-] 1272780;1442179292;nubbins`;http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/fake%20gold%203.jpg 1272781;1442179293;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5bGb ) 1272782;1442179421;BingoBoingo;http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/sep/10/aliens-modern-messages-earths-equality-diversity-seti-yuri-milner 1272783;1442179422;assbot;Send aliens modern messages of Earth's equality and diversity, say scientists | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5lNJ ) 1272784;1442179529;nubbins`;lel. 1272785;1442179579;nubbins`;if you sent aliens an accurate picture of the current state of affairs, they'd turn us into space dust 1272786;1442179582;trinque;god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space 1272787;1442179689;shinohai;!up anton_osika 1272788;1442179725;BingoBoingo;anton_osika: There really anything I can advise other than working to develop a time machine so you could have made better backups. 1272789;1442179763;nubbins`;back up your backups 1272790;1442179788;BingoBoingo;Or maybe try to uncorrupt youre backup, but I have no idea where you could start on that 1272791;1442179823;anton_osika;Right, the way I see it is just that I had a business deal regarding delivery but I lost my hands so I can sign no more documents. 1272792;1442179911;anton_osika;Comparing it to a non-digital situation it would seem that there was another solution of delivering as stated here: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A 1272793;1442179912;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M ) 1272794;1442179977;BingoBoingo;Well, you've not only lost your hands, you've lsot the idea of having hands 1272795;1442180032;trinque;the idea that the contract is tied to the gpg identity is inherent to the very fact that the fucking thing's signed by that gpg key 1272796;1442180166;anton_osika;I see it as fingerprints as a tool for simplifying proofs of physical identities, not replacing them. Might be good for the sake of lowering worries when entering contracts to be able to specify point of delivery, if unquestioned, with an alternative identification? 1272797;1442180229;anton_osika;trinque: It's not explicitly tied to a gpg key in the contract, rather antonosika 1272798;1442180250;nubbins`;looks like it's tied to a payout address and nothing else 1272799;1442180254;nubbins`;why you gotta sign something? 1272800;1442180294;trinque;anton_osika: it specifies your key fingerprints right there 1272801;1442180467;anton_osika;nubbins`: You mean the BTC payout address is enough? 1272802;1442180483;mircea_popescu;hola! 1272803;1442180500;anton_osika;Hola! 1272804;1442180503;nubbins`;anton_osika not my contract so i have NFI. but i don't see anything in there that requires you to take any further action 1272805;1442180510;nubbins`;o hi mp 1272806;1442180532;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272551 << lol 1272807;1442180532;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 13:45:56; shinohai: https://hacked.com/mit-triumphs-insecure-university-us-study-reveals/ <<< HUE 1272808;1442180555;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of the contract between you and me I have learnt a lot. 1272809;1442180579;mircea_popescu;cool! 1272810;1442180665;anton_osika;I still don't see that it explicitly states that antonosika needs a signature for delivery however :) 1272811;1442180708;nubbins`;it doesn't. 1272812;1442180713;mircea_popescu;... 1272813;1442180714;anton_osika;Could you let me have this with my freenode auth, if no one else claims to be antonosika, and I will stop pestering you and how is a man of his words? 1272814;1442180732;anton_osika;Would be quite inspirational. 1272815;1442180736;mircea_popescu;mnop. cuz i don't want to encourage the world of nubins and anton_osika. i want to encourage the world of wot and signatures. 1272816;1442180747;mircea_popescu;the way i see it, it would be inspirational of undesirables. 1272817;1442180755;mircea_popescu;this way, it's inspirational of the people i actually like. 1272818;1442180758;nubbins`;lel. maybe you shoulda worded the contract such. 1272819;1442180764;mircea_popescu;it IS worded such. 1272820;1442180767;nubbins`;uh huh 1272821;1442180772;trinque;there's no "eth" payout address in the contract 1272822;1442180774;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I see it as encouraging for new users to use WoT without being afraid. 1272823;1442180776;mircea_popescu;that's the very point. 1272824;1442180783;mircea_popescu;why should they not be affraid ? 1272825;1442180788;mircea_popescu;new uisers should be affraid. 1272826;1442180801;mircea_popescu;that is what "new" means. 1272827;1442180820;anton_osika;Well the power of WoT lies in how large it will scale. 1272828;1442180832;phf;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought. << have one of those, you can manually switch with some hacks which video card is used at all times, i have it running on integrated, which prevents real 3d from happening, but hopefully extends life 1272829;1442180841;nubbins`;oh look at that, the contract literally does not state how the ETH will be delivered 1272830;1442180846;nubbins`;yep, anton done fucked up 1272831;1442180857;trinque;nubbins`: yeah, just that some guy with a particular gpg key would receive the eth 1272832;1442180864;nubbins`;SFYL 1272833;1442180869;nubbins`;(NSFYL) 1272834;1442180929;nubbins`;specifically, this snipped sealed your fate: "in a manner to be agreed upon thence" 1272835;1442180943;anton_osika;My aim was to settle this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be a backup for WoT then it might strengthen WoT. 1272836;1442180943;nubbins`;since you can't prove you're you, nothing can be agreed upon thence 1272837;1442180975;mircea_popescu;there exists no suych thing as "physical credibility". 1272838;1442180996;mircea_popescu;this is crypto land. cryptographical credibility is required, and it has a unique and very clearly defined underpinning. 1272839;1442180998;mircea_popescu;go sign. 1272840;1442181044;anton_osika;nubbins`: Would you say the same thing to someone that Lost his right hand for signing documents and is looking you dead in the face? 1272841;1442181058;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: How do you mean clearly defined underpinning? 1272842;1442181076;nubbins`;anton_osika you're asking me if i would reach the same conclusion if the situation were entirely different? 1272843;1442181079;nubbins`;o.O 1272844;1442181096;nubbins`;FWIW, you can still sign documents without hands. 1272845;1442181100;mircea_popescu;i mean that without your signature you have no rights and properly speaking don't even exist. 1272846;1442181111;nubbins`;the illiterate used to draw an X. you could do that with your mouth. 1272847;1442181128;nubbins`;there is no cryptographic equivalent of this. 1272848;1442181155;nubbins`;mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is a world in which contracts are entered and people retain their keys 1272849;1442181158;nubbins`;;;ident 1272850;1442181159;gribble;Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None 1272851;1442181163;nubbins`;know what i mean? 8) 1272852;1442181169;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if there was an address i'd have sent teh eth already. 1272853;1442181173;nubbins`;mircea_popescu nod. 1272854;1442181176;mircea_popescu;and so far your only fault is not reading carefully :) 1272855;1442181178;nubbins`;guy does not seem to get this point. 1272856;1442181183;nubbins`;hey, come on, i re-read :D 1272857;1442181193;mircea_popescu;true, true. 1272858;1442181226;mircea_popescu;don';t get the wrong idea, anton_osika : i actually like you. 1272859;1442181228;nubbins`;if i were the sort of jackass who went around losing keys, i'd probably sign some messages preemptively to take care of things in case that happened 1272860;1442181243;nubbins`;but if i'm the sort of person who loses keys, i'm also the sort of person who loses signed statements. 1272861;1442181259;nubbins`;sooooo 1272862;1442181265;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Well my situation is regarding my life savings so it does matter a bit less as of now. 1272863;1442181272;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's a risky but perhaps useful approach. "All assignables belonging to key X should henceforth be transferred to key X which has full authority to bla bla" 1272864;1442181277;trinque;3btc == live savings? 1272865;1442181284;trinque;*life 1272866;1442181288;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i'm not 100% sure that our contract allows such 1272867;1442181302;mircea_popescu;anton_osika i would propose you're not experienced enough to crypto to make it the repository of your life savings. 1272868;1442181305;mircea_popescu;nubbins` iirc, yes. 1272869;1442181319;*;mircea_popescu goes to read 1272870;1442181325;anton_osika;Poor students you know. 1272871;1442181363;nubbins`;"S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties. The administration of any such contracts remains the sole responsibility of the respective parties involved." 1272872;1442181370;mircea_popescu;o.O 1272873;1442181384;mircea_popescu;that doesn't sound like it does, nubbins` 1272874;1442181386;nubbins`;tbh i have no idea what second sentence has to do with first 1272875;1442181409;nubbins`;but first seems to explicitly disallow a signed "plz deliver to this key instead" message. 1272876;1442181416;mircea_popescu;the assignment of a negotiable can only be a contract. 1272877;1442181417;trinque;anton_osika: so you're out what, 700 bucks? 1272878;1442181449;mircea_popescu;trinque well no, since the eth was WAY later than what they originally promised, the short lived launch bubble happened right around now. 1272879;1442181469;trinque;yeah but that was the upside back to him, right? he only put in 3btc 1272880;1442181470;anton_osika;more in the equivalent of around 15'000 $ 1272881;1442181483;trinque;you didn't lose that; you made sure you never got it 1272882;1442181483;mircea_popescu;i was trying to aim for you know, 3-6 months after release, little did i imagine their "xmas" will be august 1272883;1442181502;mircea_popescu;hehe i dun think that's how he thinks about it. 1272884;1442181505;nubbins`;heh 1272885;1442181508;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I have to say that I do agree with you regarding ETH not being the best of bets though. 1272886;1442181523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95500 @ 0.00074023 = 70.692 BTC [-] {4} 1272887;1442181528;trinque;so my 15000 shares of a failed ruby on rails startup, I lost infinity dollars 1272888;1442181531;mircea_popescu;i think this weird even beats namworld's old weird 1272889;1442181533;nubbins`;!t s.mg 1272890;1442181533;assbot;You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. 1272891;1442181534;*;trinque goes to cry 1272892;1442181541;nubbins`;been so long 1272893;1442181542;mircea_popescu;where i short sold i don't recall what, oh, asicminer 1272894;1442181544;nubbins`;!t m s.mg 1272895;1442181544;assbot;Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun. 1272896;1442181549;nubbins`;X( 1272897;1442181550;trinque;I even dropped out of the shitty college to get those shares 1272898;1442181555;mircea_popescu;and made a bundle cause glbse went down 1272899;1442181556;trinque;anton_osika: losing is good for you 1272900;1442181586;mircea_popescu;nubbins` hasdn't traded in the past month, which is so fucking weird. 1272901;1442181593;mircea_popescu;it's actually doing great, revenue et all. 1272902;1442181604;mircea_popescu;but hey, "investors" need more circle and whatnot. 1272903;1442181634;nubbins`;heh. 1272904;1442181637;mircea_popescu;!up anton_osika 1272905;1442181645;nubbins`;order book looks condusive to another bitbet hedge 1272906;1442181651;nubbins`;conducive? 1272907;1442181652;nubbins`;christ 1272908;1442181661;nubbins`;i usde to be godo at splelign. 1272909;1442181673;mircea_popescu;!b 1 1272910;1442181674;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z6MZW8.txt ) 1272911;1442181759;mircea_popescu;dude check out the historical spam I found! http://trilema.com/2013/but-please-allow-me-to-rub-it-in/ 1272912;1442181760;assbot;But please, allow me to rub it in! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb8m0p ) 1272913;1442181769;mircea_popescu;22:59:34 {assbot} [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1496 @ 0.003551 = 5.3123 BTC [-] 1272914;1442181824;anton_osika;I got voice. 1272915;1442181840;nubbins`;ah, "the swede" 1272916;1442181842;anton_osika;I meant to say that I got lucky with how BTC fork worries developed. 1272917;1442181844;nubbins`;i remember that scammor 1272918;1442181858;mircea_popescu;from 20:38:44 to 23:01:58, : [BTCTC] 328 lines ; [HAVELOCK] 11 lines ; [MPEX] absent. 1272919;1442181877;mircea_popescu;oh if all the dead losers could speak. oh if the wails of the meanwhile defeated stupid could be heard by the still living 1272920;1442181886;mircea_popescu;oh, oh, oh, history why you cover yourself so. 1272921;1442181930;anton_osika;Before I continue the venture of my identity tomorrow: Since the contract states my name - what is it that says that it is not enough as long as it is uniquely identifiable beyond all probable doubts? 1272922;1442181946;nubbins`;holy fuck. 1272923;1442181949;nubbins`;it's a gpg contract 1272924;1442181959;nubbins`;your name is irrelevant 1272925;1442181961;mircea_popescu;tyhe contract also states the word "and". maybne that's a name. 1272926;1442181968;anton_osika;nubbins`: What have I been missing regarding GPG contracts then? :) 1272927;1442181976;nubbins`;everything 1272928;1442181982;nubbins`;apparently. 1272929;1442181993;anton_osika;I mean, this is crypto land, but things are built on common sense not some magical crypto laws right? 1272930;1442181997;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=1222&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=730&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& << for the lulz. 1272931;1442181998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb8DRe ) 1272932;1442182008;mircea_popescu;anton_osika wrong. 1272933;1442182031;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: => BTC fork worries = irrelevant? 1272934;1442182039;nubbins`;things actually are built on "magical" crypto laws. 1272935;1442182049;nubbins`;(magical? do you even compute?) 1272936;1442182073;nubbins`;trivial example, no idea why i'm trying this hard to explain things to you: 1272937;1442182079;nubbins`;suppose the contract didn't say 1272938;1442182080;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792148 << see also. 1272939;1442182080;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2014 02:19:42; TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work 1272940;1442182083;nubbins`;"antonosika" 1272941;1442182085;trinque;anton_osika: you might as well be my buddy pleading with his corrupted LUKS header 1272942;1442182089;nubbins`;but it said "John Smith" 1272943;1442182103;nubbins`;how is anyone to know which john smith? there must be millions. 1272944;1442182114;mircea_popescu;"do what i mean" computing. 1272945;1442182119;anton_osika;Well it does luckily not say john smith. 1272946;1442182119;mircea_popescu;everything else... is magical :D 1272947;1442182125;nubbins`;antonosika it's not lucky, no. 1272948;1442182130;nubbins`;because: which anton osika? 1272949;1442182143;nubbins`;i could sire a child tomorrow and name it anton osika. 1272950;1442182143;trinque;the tit-punching kid screams and wonders where mother is to set things right 1272951;1442182151;anton_osika;If it did in an ordinary contract, it would have to include an address (which takes care of the all probable doubt) :) 1272952;1442182169;nubbins`;but it's a gpg contract, and it included a gpg fingerprint 1272953;1442182171;mircea_popescu;up until you refuse to produce an identity document. 1272954;1442182180;mircea_popescu;try this sometime, go ask your bank for your money, but refuse to show id. 1272955;1442182211;nubbins`;antonosika so let's say you signed a normal contract, it included your name and your address. 1272956;1442182218;nubbins`;now 1 year later you have a different address. 1272957;1442182224;nubbins`;contract is useless, yes? 1272958;1442182238;mircea_popescu;real people don't move. 1272959;1442182240;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Thats a very valid comparison. 1272960;1442182265;mircea_popescu;anton_osika just, irl, because irl is dedicated to the survival of the least fit, if you lose your id there's a mechanism to get another one. 1272961;1442182279;nubbins`;antonosika i think it's fair to say that you understand 100% that you fucked up and you're just trying to "reason" your way into changing the terms of the original 1272962;1442182279;mircea_popescu;but here, because we are quite specifically dedicated to the non survival of the unfit, there isn't. 1272963;1442182289;mircea_popescu;and in the space so freed, we have constructed much safer ids. 1272964;1442182292;mircea_popescu;it's a tradeoff. 1272965;1442182320;cazalla;i think anton_osika actually understands but hopes to wear mircea_popescu down 1272966;1442182320;mircea_popescu;nubbins` 90% of what commercial disputes are. ask any judge. 1272967;1442182334;nubbins`;mircea_popescu "good faith" &c. 1272968;1442182350;nubbins`;barristers and solicitors built practices on such 1272969;1442182355;cazalla;ah shit nubbins` beat me to it 1272970;1442182363;mircea_popescu;;;google "heavily counseled parties to mega mergers do not breach contracts out of inadvertence or mistake" 1272971;1442182364;gribble;"Willful"—It's Ambiguous - Adams on Contract Drafting: ; here - Adams on Contract Drafting: ; top c o d er. - TopCoder: 1272972;1442182369;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1272973;1442182395;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-43.330-43.450 1272974;1442182396;assbot;Our Emperor, deliver us. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk9UbM ) 1272975;1442182399;nubbins`;antonosika here's another thing: suppose you show us a passport that says "anton osika" on it. how do we know you, today, are the same anton osika from last year? 1272976;1442182400;mircea_popescu;holy shit google. i had it to the word! 1272977;1442182408;nubbins`;it's an impossible argument to win. 1272978;1442182425;anton_osika;nubbins`: Thank you for bringing it up. 1272979;1442182442;nubbins`;anton_osika it's the same thing i've been saying all along, just in reverse. 1272980;1442182447;anton_osika;My case is that there is only one individual calming to be me. 1272981;1442182455;nubbins`;only one individual today, sure. 1272982;1442182460;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272572 << aha! 1272983;1442182460;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 16:54:14; asciilifeform: e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without a 'hint' makes me feel a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power a desktop has?' 1272984;1442182460;nubbins`;maybe the real anton is on vacation? 1272985;1442182466;nubbins`;maybe he's on his way to berlin from syria? 1272986;1442182479;mircea_popescu;THAT was it's #1 thing, for they in the know. "omfg dude it doesn't even needs parans)" 1272987;1442182498;anton_osika;My case is that in any contract - such as one with a bank - an identity boils down to what is tru without any probable doubt. 1272988;1442182516;nubbins`;there is 100% probable doubt that you are not the person who signed the contract last year. 1272989;1442182529;nubbins`;because you can't prove it's you by signing something with the key. 1272990;1442182533;mircea_popescu;actually the obsolete system standard is "preponderence of evidence". you're thinking criminal proceedings, and it's "reasonable" there. 1272991;1442182571;nubbins`;anton_osika all forms of physical identification can be forged 1272992;1442182591;nubbins`;i could quite literally come back here in three weeks with a USA passport bearing my face and your name. 1272993;1442182605;nubbins`;should mp deliver to me? 1272994;1442182616;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ << with illustrations 1272995;1442182617;assbot;O hai let me verify your identity! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb9qS8 ) 1272996;1442182617;nubbins`;would you like for things to work this way? really? 1272997;1442182638;nubbins`;or would you like for contracts signed with your pgp key to only be resolved via that same key? 1272998;1442182646;nubbins`;because if you wouldn't like that, you should probably gtfo 1272999;1442182652;nubbins`;as you are not in the correct place 1273000;1442182668;nubbins`;know what i mean? 1273001;1442182673;anton_osika;Well make some google of my name 1273002;1442182678;nubbins`;no 1273003;1442182679;nubbins`;fuck your name 1273004;1442182680;trinque;http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/#selection-167.19-167.125 1273005;1442182681;assbot;GPG contracts on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb9xgC ) 1273006;1442182692;nubbins`;you're trying to cross an international border using a high school diploma as photo ID. 1273007;1442182692;mircea_popescu;;;google "obama bin laden" 1273008;1442182693;gribble;Seymour Hersh accuses Obama of lying on Osama bin Laden raid ...: ; NBC Confirms Obama Lied About Bin Laden Raid | Zero Hedge: ; Report: Obama lied about bin Laden raid | TheHill: > http://trilema.com/2015/a-bunch-of-assholes/ 1273069;1442183500;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:43:07; nubbins`: lots of people pointing to pictures of, e.g., mattresses & trash left behind in train stations, refugees holding "$600 cell phones" 1273070;1442183501;assbot;A bunch of assholes. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbaBAW ) 1273071;1442183550;anton_osika;Thanks for voice. 1273072;1442183569;trinque;anton_osika: hold onto a key and you might keep it! 1273073;1442183572;*;trinque chuckles 1273074;1442183578;mircea_popescu;lol dork 1273075;1442183599;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/aHn9I46.jpg << from garzik's presentation 1273076;1442183607;anton_osika;I understand those before me who weep - when there is ambigouity in settlements that they would need their non-negro identities with. 1273077;1442183622;cazalla;thestringpuller, is this not from the other conference and not the coindesk one? 1273078;1442183634;nubbins`;are refugees actually welcome to tanzania - africa, tho? 1273079;1442183650;nubbins`;not sure that's the PM and minister of foreign affairs in picture 1273080;1442183652;anton_osika;My case is however that acting in from the perspective of probable doubt is good for the robustness of bitcoin-assets. 1273081;1442183655;mircea_popescu;nubbins` they never found out, did they ? 1273082;1442183658;nubbins`;8) 1273083;1442183660;nubbins`;nope. 1273084;1442183663;mircea_popescu;how come! 1273085;1442183669;thestringpuller;cazalla: didn't coindesk put on the consensus conference? 1273086;1442183671;mircea_popescu;somehow they had a very clear vector loaded. 1273087;1442183672;nubbins`;because they traded their cell phones for mattresses? 1273088;1442183673;anton_osika;Say we are hit by a 1859 solar EMP or the like. 1273089;1442183680;trinque;o lol 1273090;1442183695;mircea_popescu;anton_osika selection events are selection events. when the waters go out you see who had been swimming naked. 1273091;1442183707;nubbins`;mircea_popescu well ya know. if i'm on fire, i'm heading for the water, not the gas station 1273092;1442183716;mircea_popescu;nubbins` oh i see, that's what it is. 1273093;1442183721;mircea_popescu;what kind of fire are you on ? 1273094;1442183726;cazalla;thestringpuller, yes they did but i thought the garzik slides are from the scaling bitcoin conference (ran the day after or something) 1273095;1442183736;mircea_popescu;how come they're on the kind of fire that can be put out by welfare checks and tightly packed stupiud white cunts, 1273096;1442183740;anton_osika;So I would say that a payment - if I deliver some sort of verification - would strengthen the credibility of MP. As well as bitcoin-assets as a whole. 1273097;1442183742;thestringpuller;cazalla: ah interesting. i'm still outraged tho! 1273098;1442183743;mircea_popescu;not by unused farmland and cheap labour ? 1273099;1442183745;mircea_popescu;hm ? HM ? 1273100;1442183760;nubbins`;lel. 1273101;1442183769;nubbins`;mugabe gave out farmland; how'd that work out for everyone? 1273102;1442183781;nubbins`;i have a $100Tn bill upstairs that says "not so well" 1273103;1442183785;mircea_popescu;anton_osika the main intellectual pivot here is the notion that "everyone must make it". this is what informs your "what if there's a solar flare" thing. 1273104;1442183789;thestringpuller;"Stuck at 1M strangles Bitcoin growth and adoption" lol 1273105;1442183794;mircea_popescu;however, this place is predicated on the converse : everyone MUST NOT make it. 1273106;1442183799;mircea_popescu;so the solar flare isn't a problem to it. 1273107;1442183838;thestringpuller;cazalla: Seems all of the BIPers (Gavin Hearn Garzik et. al), talked about this. 1273108;1442183861;anton_osika;In some chain of events however unlikely any of you would lose your PGP identities. 1273109;1442183869;nubbins`;mircea_popescu do you suppose they'd still be holding the sign if tanzania was a first-world country that also happened to carpet bomb syria? 1273110;1442183872;nubbins`;i wonder. 1273111;1442183882;mircea_popescu;too counterfactual to guess. 1273112;1442183886;nubbins`;nod 1273113;1442183887;mircea_popescu;anton_osika yup. 1273114;1442183954;nubbins`;anton_osika fwiw if mp pays out, it would wreck his credibility 1273115;1442183967;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but the important point remains : there IS SPACE for you here. and you dun wanna go here, you wanna go there. where you most pointedly don't belong, you want to go. 1273116;1442183970;mircea_popescu;the monkey quality. 1273117;1442183972;anton_osika;The meaning of GPG contracts are being defined as we speak, as of those being honoured and those who are not, and I think you might agree that it is a better contract if it can - as any other contract between to individuals - be honoured in good faith aka. when fulfilled beyond reasonable doubt. 1273118;1442183981;nubbins`;mircea_popescu since when is "space" the primary consideration? 1273119;1442183988;nubbins`;there's space in canada's north 1273120;1442183997;nubbins`;but the gov has to pay people to move there. 1273121;1442183998;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not for them, too cold. 1273122;1442184017;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Where is it that I wan't to go you say? 1273123;1442184019;nubbins`;twodogs is too cold for the sudanese who live here 1273124;1442184025;nubbins`;they have jackets tho. 1273125;1442184025;mircea_popescu;here';s some basic logic : when you're fucked, you move among weaker people to recover, if you're worth two shits. 1273126;1442184067;mircea_popescu;anton_osika a) gpg contracts are already defined, cuz that article ; b) we don't agree. 1273127;1442184077;nubbins`;"worth two shits" changes when your country and meat-wot are both rubble 1273128;1442184088;mircea_popescu;the point of this entire thing is to make existence painful and difficult. not to continue the convenience of consumers. 1273129;1442184103;anton_osika;I'm trying to make the system less reliant on one single part of failure, but I see I have failed. 1273130;1442184106;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so you can't take the family and go to tanzania. because why ? 1273131;1442184114;nubbins`;sure i can. 1273132;1442184117;mircea_popescu;this is essentially the alf argument. "i can't do anything by myself" 1273133;1442184122;mircea_popescu;if you can't, why'd europe want you ? 1273134;1442184127;nubbins`;lel. 1273135;1442184135;mircea_popescu;if you can, why aren';t you going to tanzania! 1273136;1442184137;nubbins`;what's alf gonna do in tanzania? 1273137;1442184137;anton_osika;Arguably I am wrong as well. 1273138;1442184141;nubbins`;milk a cow? 1273139;1442184146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43645 @ 0.00074363 = 32.4557 BTC [+] 1273140;1442184149;anton_osika;But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity. 1273141;1442184149;mircea_popescu;yes. milk a fucking cow. 1273142;1442184154;nubbins`;but he doesn't know how 1273143;1442184157;mircea_popescu;what, these immigrants were born with a cow milking interdiciton ? 1273144;1442184165;mircea_popescu;so he learns. does he know how to be european ? 1273145;1442184180;mircea_popescu;anton_osika better go on a venture to find a way to protect your next one. 1273146;1442184185;nubbins`;afaik being european just means breakfast is weird and coffee is always espresso. 1273147;1442184191;mircea_popescu;oic. 1273148;1442184193;nubbins`;0/10 do not want 1273149;1442184207;mircea_popescu;yeah, there's no bacalaureat anymore. and you don't need to know three languages. and so on. 1273150;1442184215;mircea_popescu;you can just be your fucktarded tribal shithead self, and will be ok. 1273151;1442184217;mircea_popescu;mmmmmmkay. 1273152;1442184234;mircea_popescu;if that;s the idea, go to tanzania, there it'll work to everyone's satisfaction. 1273153;1442184244;mircea_popescu;for tanzania, it even is an improvement. 1273154;1442184247;trinque;intellectuals need to be humiliated with manual labor at some point in life 1273155;1442184251;trinque;shovel cow shit; I have 1273156;1442184265;mircea_popescu;wait, the refugees are also intellectuals ? 1273157;1442184273;trinque;was referring to alf in tanzania 1273158;1442184275;mircea_popescu;i doubt it, they'd have emigrated to maryland. 1273159;1442184288;mircea_popescu;oh. iirc he had an episode doing something 1273160;1442184300;nubbins`;no, the syrian intellectuals are hanging out here: http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/files/2013/06/syria-top.jpg 1273161;1442184315;trinque;so they did that to their own home 1273162;1442184316;nubbins`;they stayed 'cause they're intellectual, see 1273163;1442184320;trinque;what are they going to do to anyone else's? 1273164;1442184349;mircea_popescu;that looks like a bomb blast 1273165;1442184354;nubbins`;yep 1273166;1442184357;nubbins`;sure does 1273167;1442184369;nubbins`;but if you've got a smartphone... why leave, right? 1273168;1442184374;trinque;not the point at all 1273169;1442184394;trinque;this presumption that anywhere else must take them comes from what? 1273170;1442184403;nubbins`;your imagination? 1273171;1442184408;*;nubbins` searches log for someone saying this 1273172;1442184422;trinque;so you're just saying "why wouldn't they go to germany" ? 1273173;1442184432;trinque;I don't have argument with that, only the idiocy of germany accepting 1273174;1442184437;nubbins`;i'm saying they'd be fucking idiots to (a) stay (b) go to tanzania 1273175;1442184447;mircea_popescu;trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ? 1273176;1442184462;nubbins`;trinque germany's the big economic powerhouse, yes? 1273177;1442184462;trinque;if one can, one can 1273178;1442184465;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i don't follow b and a is a ridiculous strawman effort to somehow gang b. 1273179;1442184483;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "germany" in the sense of "not them", not germany in the sense of, "everyone in this perimeter". 1273180;1442184490;nubbins`;sure 1273181;1442184502;mircea_popescu;i hear women live longer, go become a woman to live longer. 1273182;1442184514;mircea_popescu;it's the exact sylogism of germany is a powerhouse i r immigrant there. 1273183;1442184525;anton_osika;Thanks for the chat anyhow gentlemen. 1273184;1442184529;mircea_popescu;cheers. 1273185;1442184543;nubbins`;suppose there's 20 people trying to cross a river. 19 of them can't swim, the 20th is an olympic gold medallist and can lift 5x his own body weight, while swimming. 1273186;1442184549;mircea_popescu;ok 1273187;1442184557;cazalla;deedbot-, http://dpaste.com/1AHCQK7.txt 1273188;1442184559;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbbNnR ) 1273189;1442184559;nubbins`;#20 says "we should all carry some of these watermelons across the river with us" 1273190;1442184559;anton_osika;I'm getting a new identity with phunctor... 1273191;1442184559;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1273192;1442184572;trinque;til deedbot's regex dun mind a comma 1273193;1442184573;nubbins`;that's germany 1273194;1442184580;anton_osika;But I'm not giving up just yet. As the real antonosika wherever he is does deserve his payment... 1273195;1442184590;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wut ?! 1273196;1442184596;nubbins`;#20 will probably not drown. 1-19 probably will. 1273197;1442184614;nubbins`;wait, watermelons float 1273198;1442184619;nubbins`;make it goats or smth 1273199;1442184622;mircea_popescu;this is such a nutty example... 1273200;1442184628;nubbins`;heh. 1273201;1442184635;mircea_popescu;why is #20 making rules for the rest ? 1273202;1442184648;nubbins`;why is germany telling eu to take refugee quotas? 1273203;1442184659;mircea_popescu;cuz eu owes it A SHITTON of money 1273204;1442184661;thestringpuller;whatever happened to that Julia Tourianski chick that was in the channel way back when 1273205;1442184666;mircea_popescu;for all the ipads and cars and shit they "borrowed" 1273206;1442184677;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ask her! 1273207;1442184694;nubbins`;woo time for a jazz smoke 1273208;1442184750;thestringpuller;;;seen moeity 1273209;1442184750;gribble;I have not seen moeity. 1273210;1442184759;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272628 << especially seeing how the 80mn country is made of white people, with very soft connections, and the 1mn is made of middle easteners, with the habit of strong connections. 1273211;1442184759;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:46:50; trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable 1273212;1442184768;mircea_popescu;the russian mob took over with 1/100 that manpower. 1273213;1442184771;mircea_popescu;it'll be grand :D 1273214;1442184775;thestringpuller;;;seen moeity;;seen moiety 1273215;1442184775;gribble;(seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard. 1273216;1442184776;*;trinque popcorns 1273217;1442184785;thestringpuller;;;seen moiety 1273218;1442184786;gribble;moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 47 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: i have to go, it was nice to see yous 1273219;1442184802;thestringpuller;wow i need a new keyboard 1273220;1442184810;mircea_popescu;i am genuinely expecting to see white teens on the open market in the sub-btc range as a result of all this, which is all the better. 1273221;1442184850;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272631 << i bet every extremist cell worth its salt sent everyone it could possibly send. 1273222;1442184850;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:18; shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few. 1273223;1442184854;trinque;mircea_popescu: as the concept of the WoT sunk in it occurred to me that we have very weak social connections here in american meatspace too 1273224;1442184865;mircea_popescu;ofcourse. 1273225;1442184870;mircea_popescu;why do you suppose the mexicans rule texas ? 1273226;1442184874;trinque;for that very reason. 1273227;1442184876;mircea_popescu;cuz short corky is better ? 1273228;1442184885;mircea_popescu;no. cuz white idiots are too fucking weird to even look at each other 1273229;1442184888;mircea_popescu;let alone grab ass. 1273230;1442184909;trinque;I am the only guy in this apartment block that makes eye contact and says hello. 1273231;1442184914;trinque;and they smile and then scurry away, heh 1273232;1442184927;mircea_popescu;anyway, 500k pakis in the uk over 20 years produced rotterham, 5mn pakis in eu over 20 weeks will produce... 1273233;1442184928;trinque;anton_osika: see that EMP isn't gonna be so bad 1273234;1442184939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00074363 = 23.0525 BTC [+] 1273235;1442184972;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272634 << as far as tsipras & co are concerned, this thing is manna. 1273236;1442184972;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:58; trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees. 1273237;1442185010;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272642 << AND GOING TO TANZANIA! 1273238;1442185010;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:54:52; nubbins`: refugees escaping an oppressive regime 1273239;1442185014;mircea_popescu;they didn't go to fucking vienna. 1273240;1442185017;mircea_popescu;ken ? 1273241;1442185039;mircea_popescu;that's the big thing. the upwards mobile refugee is the prototype of the scumbag. 1273242;1442185078;thestringpuller;this convo reminds me of that old sci-fi show "Alien Nation" 1273243;1442185084;thestringpuller;which recently I realized was a pun 1273244;1442185098;mircea_popescu;the people who immigrated into the us ~back when the us was a shithole~ made it great. the people who immigrated after it was great made it a shithole again. 1273245;1442185158;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272649 << absolute 100% pure bullshit. it has NOTHING to do with treatment and everything to do with habit. 1273246;1442185158;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:57:55; nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government 1273247;1442185182;mircea_popescu;which is why the french strike every week and japanese never did. what treatment ? 1273248;1442185208;thestringpuller;lol. or how black people responded to the Rodney King verdict (or the cops who beat him) 1273249;1442185209;mircea_popescu;"people" don't do anything for any other reason than because "that's what's done". 1273250;1442185245;thestringpuller;rioting doesn't do anything tho except tear down your neighbor's business. 1273251;1442185246;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272650 << mp can relate no such tales. nor can the people that went through the us warcrimes in yugoslavia. 1273252;1442185246;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 19:58:20; nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim 1273253;1442185298;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is that picture i had of the FOOTBALL FANS packed quietly and safely 10x in the stadium cca 80s 1273254;1442185324;thestringpuller;the revolution in Romania during the late 80's didn't involve rioting? 1273255;1442185370;mircea_popescu;not in the sense you imagine. 1273256;1442185401;mircea_popescu;the secret police broke a dozen display windows down on the main street. that was most of it. 1273257;1442185417;mircea_popescu;(then the rebel people guarded the shops) 1273258;1442185451;thestringpuller;I wonder why it's so rampant in AMerican society. 1273259;1442185468;thestringpuller;Black kid gets killed by white cop, people start throwing molotovs at cars and storefronts and shit. 1273260;1442185473;mircea_popescu;well at the time the romanians considered they owned the place. ie, the shops. 1273261;1442185478;mircea_popescu;official ideology is "belong to the people" 1273262;1442185534;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272681 << ever finished it ? 1273263;1442185534;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 20:25:04; trinque: ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS 1273264;1442185535;thestringpuller;I would assume American who goes to Bob's Burgers everyday for lunch would be less inclined to throw molotov and bricks in Bob's windows during "revolt/riot" but doesn't seem to be case. 1273265;1442185537;mircea_popescu;mayhem something was nuts. 1273266;1442185564;mircea_popescu;"american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there. 1273267;1442185606;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272696 << sounds like an interesting derivation on sokoban 1273268;1442185606;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 20:28:52; danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways 1273269;1442185813;trinque;mircea_popescu: looked up the levels; I must've stopped at 29, as I recall the water 1273270;1442185840;*;trinque will have to load the thing up in dosbox one day and finally defeat it 1273271;1442185851;thestringpuller;isn't lemmings on everything now 1273272;1442185855;mircea_popescu;it was brutal, the last 20 or 40 or so 1273273;1442185860;mircea_popescu;BRUTAL. 1273274;1442185866;mircea_popescu;everything sterel, can' dig. etc. 1273275;1442186198;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272742 << feminists say so! 1273276;1442186198;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 20:45:19; trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain 1273277;1442186255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272753 << so why should they survive then ? 1273278;1442186255;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 20:47:22; cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction 1273279;1442186310;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272759 << i've yet to see a kid aged 7 or less to not be fucking PETRIFIED of a half-decent adult male war face. 1273280;1442186310;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 20:51:27; cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time 1273281;1442186313;mircea_popescu;so gimme your war face! 1273282;1442186417;trinque;if they're wired for anything else how not that? 1273283;1442186432;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272772 << it's very funny to me that all sorts of social media derps take total umbrage to my stating things like "your sexual parts are collectively owned by the otyher gender", but then the community-ownership oif the product thereof is fairly uncontroversial. this is best proof if one needs proof that no, people don't do anything because. 1273284;1442186432;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 21:04:22; cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead 1273285;1442186440;mircea_popescu;they just do what's dopne and that's all there is to it. 1273286;1442186494;mircea_popescu;expecting "the citizenry" to "rebel" and "fix the politics" is not unlike expecting the bearing balls in your busted wheel to rebel and fix your planetary. 1273287;1442186519;mircea_popescu;"they live there right!??!?!" 1273288;1442186532;mircea_popescu;"how come all they ever do is break more of their neighbour's shit!" 1273289;1442186618;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272786 << you're not really fat if you wear really tight clothes, and you're not reallty stupid if you never cease yakking. it's the new logic! 1273290;1442186618;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 21:26:22; trinque: god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space 1273291;1442186755;mircea_popescu;http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/fake%20gold%203.jpg << ahaha for reals ?! 1273292;1442186756;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5bGb ) 1273293;1442187059;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273277 <<< i don't care if they do survive or not (beyond my own kid of course) 1273294;1442187059;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 23:17:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272753 << so why should they survive then ? 1273295;1442187286;cazalla;and i've made the war face and had staring competition with the kid when having a tantrum, he doesn't budge so quickly 1273296;1442187464;diana_coman;ahahah cazalla gotta try that with mine (almost 3yo) next time 1273297;1442187514;diana_coman;gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone 1273298;1442187527;cazalla;teaspoon of honey goes over well when it comes to foot stamping :P 1273299;1442187567;cazalla;prob hanging myself by reinforcing such behaviour with sweetness though eh 1273300;1442187589;diana_coman;you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :))) 1273301;1442187606;diana_coman;if he likes honey, then I'd say so, yes 1273302;1442187612;trinque;boy did I grow up in a time of cultural transition, lol 1273303;1442187646;cazalla;not whenever nor everytime, just when it gets so bad that i'm about to have a tantrum myself 1273304;1442187683;diana_coman;so war face then, lol 1273305;1442187687;*;trinque got a kick in the ass, and a conversation with a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me 1273306;1442187698;diana_coman;there, trinque has it 1273307;1442187777;trinque;and not as if this was all the time; I didn't like it, you see :P 1273308;1442187804;diana_coman;at one point I got him to another room, told him to call me when he's done with it 1273309;1442187806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00074363 = 48.8193 BTC [+] 1273310;1442187848;trinque;I think it's perfectly normal for the desires of the kid and parent to be completely at odds 1273311;1442187888;trinque;the kid just got here; what does he know? 1273312;1442187893;diana_coman;well, tantrums can have many causes 1273313;1442187901;diana_coman;that's at 1 week, lol 1273314;1442187918;trinque;oh, nothing's going to stop a screaming baby 1273315;1442187922;trinque;that's perfectly healthy too 1273316;1442187929;diana_coman;they know what they see otherwise 1273317;1442187944;diana_coman;and they do nothing else than watch; intently 1273318;1442188020;cazalla;yeah that's interesting eh, my son even copies the way i walk, gets behind me and tries to time the footsteps and all 1273319;1442188049;trinque;that's pretty cool. 1273320;1442188050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.00074623 = 63.728 BTC [+] {4} 1273321;1442188095;cazalla;gets the empty toilet paper roll and goes around the skirting boards pretending to vacuum too 1273322;1442189159;mats;cute 1273323;1442189318;BingoBoingo;Tanzania doesn't seem so bad. Only one in 20 people are HIV positive 1273324;1442190084;BingoBoingo;Behold Qntra's most serious competitor http://dailyhashrate.com/2015/09/13/searching-for-the-truth-in-san-francisco/ 1273325;1442190086;assbot;Searching for The Truth in San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbxvYp ) 1273326;1442190634;shinohai;https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ 1273327;1442190636;assbot;Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbycAY ) 1273328;1442190783;mircea_popescu;<diana_coman> you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :))) << ehehehe see, this is why women are stuck with raising kids. 1273329;1442190792;mircea_popescu;men just aren't cunny enough. 1273330;1442190803;mircea_popescu;(alternate spelling of cunning, if you're wondering) 1273331;1442190938;mircea_popescu;* trinque [...] a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me << for the record, i don't think very much of this entire "expectations" verbiage/bs. if you think a little about it, so would you. a) what sort of fucking powerless vulnerable schmuck lets himself get into the position of DEPENDING on a kid ? that's what you're saying. don't say that, not only is it not true it's also very stupid. 1273332;1442190958;mircea_popescu;and then b) supposing the kid is dumb enough to actually buy it, how the fuck is it going to balance anxiety throughout his life ? 1273333;1442190989;mircea_popescu;suppose your wife dies in a car crash next year. which can happen, as it happens thousands of times each year. was it the kid's failurew that did it ? no ? how do you know ? 1273334;1442190991;mircea_popescu;how does it know ? 1273335;1442191012;mircea_popescu;maybe that's what happens for doing so much less [in school] than what was EXPECTED of him. 1273336;1442191015;mircea_popescu;mom dies in car crash. 1273337;1442191063;cazalla;please, let it be me lol 1273338;1442191091;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck decided you even GET to have "expectations". and if you do, why can't it ? it expects the government to fix his bed wetting now! 1273339;1442191135;mircea_popescu;anyway. anglos are uniquely bad at child rearing. it's like african engineering, english pedadogy and north korean cuisine. 1273340;1442191142;mircea_popescu;"have a raw corn cobb, what could be better." 1273341;1442191255;nubbins`;south korean cuisine, on the other hand 1273342;1442191264;nubbins`;altho tbf the north eats kimchi too. 1273343;1442191266;mircea_popescu;yea well. 1273344;1442191281;nubbins`;i found a jar of kimchi that i made april 11 in the back of the fridge today 1273345;1442191281;mircea_popescu;btw, had some spledid kimchi with my sushi at this local japanese guy's place 1273346;1442191282;trinque;mircea_popescu: hm yeah, even that is euphemistically skirting the issue of "was commanded A, did B" 1273347;1442191309;nubbins`;thinking of a few things to make w/ it 1273348;1442191326;mircea_popescu;trinque imo it's much better to let kids play their little mmorpg of reality. just explain to them how to level, and how to distinguish paladins from necromancers and lower level from high 1273349;1442191334;mircea_popescu;the rest... fuck it, you got your own life to fuck up. 1273350;1442191343;nubbins`;it's divine with grilled pork belly, bean paste & leaf lettuce 1273351;1442191588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00074478 = 116.5581 BTC [-] {3} 1273352;1442191850;nubbins`;lel 1273353;1442191850;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/defending-n-l-seal-products-gift-shop-manager-makes-it-her-mission-1.3221351 1273354;1442191851;assbot;Defending N.L. seal products; gift shop manager makes it her mission - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbzEU1 ) 1273355;1442191863;nubbins`;"Most tourists from the United States have no idea they're not permitted to take sealskin products back into their country. When Prince explains the situation, she said they're flabbergasted." 1273356;1442191871;nubbins`;"One lady, she bought a pair of the sealskin sneakers. She said, 'I'm taking my chance. I really want them and I'm going to take my chance.'" 1273357;1442192001;nubbins`;modern smugglers: middle-aged women sneaking sealskin tennis shoes back home in their luggage 1273358;1442192349;mircea_popescu;the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back. 1273359;1442192373;mircea_popescu;it's like, soviet citizen goes to paris, ahs a decent meal, then is like... "ima sneak these steaks back into leningrad" 1273360;1442192376;mircea_popescu;nigga.... why ?! 1273361;1442192438;mircea_popescu;anton_osika i don't understand what you think pgp sigs have to do with phuctor ? 1273362;1442192452;mircea_popescu;it's what threw me the first time. 1273363;1442192468;mircea_popescu;also, dja know you made trilema ? http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/ 1273364;1442192469;assbot;The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ny9YmP ) 1273365;1442192576;nubbins`;i came, i saw, i lel'd 1273366;1442192584;nubbins`;i back'd up the backups 1273367;1442192593;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273140 << in all his negotiating the impossible, I saw no mention of the obvious (although still unacceptable) alternative to GPG: sign message with the bitcoin address that spent the 3 bitcoin to mp's address 1273368;1442192593;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:29; anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity. 1273369;1442192630;mircea_popescu;mebbe he knew it wouldn't fly. 1273370;1442192665;danielpbarron;perhaps it was sent from a "shared wallet" l0l 1273371;1442192672;nubbins`;direct from circle 1273372;1442192684;cazalla;mircea_popescu, phunctor! 1273373;1442192688;mircea_popescu;or that 1273374;1442192748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106427 @ 0.00074518 = 79.3073 BTC [+] {2} 1273375;1442192813;nubbins`;man, the final level in this captain toad is a worthy challenge 1273376;1442192849;nubbins`;50 randomly generated boards, with increasingly difficult enemies, two hits and you're dead 1273377;1442192879;cazalla;nubbins`, sounds like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in6RZzdGki8 1273378;1442192879;assbot;Super Mario Brothers - Frustration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbAZtS ) 1273379;1442192895;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273297 << your tone carries through on irc even. At least it gives me pause when you challenge my Eulora theories 1273380;1442192895;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 23:38:34; diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone 1273381;1442192900;nubbins`;almost worse 1273382;1442193847;trinque;looks like a fun rom 1273383;1442194235;nubbins`;i'm dying to play the new super mario maker 1273384;1442194255;nubbins`;http://supermariomaker.nintendo.com/ 1273385;1442194257;assbot;Super Mario Maker™ for Wii U - Official Site ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbCR5O ) 1273386;1442194265;trinque;saw an ad for that just now, actually looks pretty fun 1273387;1442194359;trinque;the new animation style Nintendo's gone with is obnoxious, though 1273388;1442194366;trinque;inflatable mickey mouse 1273389;1442194469;nubbins`;ehh whatcha expect 1273390;1442194480;nubbins`;anyway, you can choose from i think 4 different styles with this one 1273391;1442194525;thestringpuller;can't make this dumb up: "surprise surprise. This was already brought up here about 3 months ago. Unfortunately with the Coinwallet Stress Test the other Altcoin businesses will use the results as a casestudy when they pitch their own blockchain to Fidelity, Citibank ,etc etc." 1273392;1442194533;nubbins`;there's one ad spot where kid is playing and dad says HEY CAN I TRY and then converts level to smb1 skin 1273393;1442194548;trinque;http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/353/b/3/the_star_fox_evolution_by_shadowtoast102-d4jlp9c.jpg << they didn't mess up star fox too bad 1273394;1442194549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHWMyL ) 1273395;1442194613;nubbins`;they beat their franchises to death 1273396;1442194627;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273142 << this is not why. 1273397;1442194627;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:34; nubbins`: but he doesn't know how 1273398;1442194628;nubbins`;but... the gameplay's usually there, so they get a pass 1273399;1442194673;nubbins`;you mean you wouldn't move to tanzania if you could milk a cow? 1273400;1442194680;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273136 << the implication, unless i am mistaken, is that i ought to go to tanzania, mongolia, wherever, to avoid being shot in the head. but what do i need not-being-shot-in-the-head for, in tanzania ? 1273401;1442194680;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:17; nubbins`: what's alf gonna do in tanzania? 1273402;1442194705;asciilifeform;i only need it if i have my workstation and roquefort. 1273403;1442194731;asciilifeform;know what the english said ? 1273404;1442194742;asciilifeform;'if you fall overboard, have the decency to drown like a gentleman.' 1273405;1442194748;nubbins`;implication is that while you're a smart guy, you rely on other things to make your smartness useful 1273406;1442194754;asciilifeform;no. 1273407;1442194778;asciilifeform;the implication is that man does not live by bread alone (tm) 1273408;1442194790;nubbins`;in the narrow context of your current employment, i should qualify 1273409;1442194806;asciilifeform;actually i'd prefer ~no~ employment and just a dirigible full of money. 1273410;1442194812;asciilifeform;but that's beside the point. 1273411;1442194814;nubbins`;money's heavier than air 1273412;1442194818;nubbins`;is this an ethereum joke? 1273413;1442194825;trinque;lol 1273414;1442194828;asciilifeform;it's a sleep-ad-libitum joke 1273415;1442194851;asciilifeform;but what i was trying to explain is that i don't get this bizarre preoccupation with survival. 1273416;1442194860;trinque;how can one value anything else if not that? 1273417;1442194865;asciilifeform;easily. 1273418;1442194868;asciilifeform;ask the japanese 1273419;1442194873;asciilifeform;or just about any traditional culture 1273420;1442194874;trinque;magical thinking 1273421;1442194875;nubbins`;oh ho 1273422;1442194883;trinque;my capacity to value things ends at death 1273423;1442194883;thestringpuller;trinque: star fox is a lot like link. doesn't really change. (i'm under the notion windwaker was a throwback) 1273424;1442194891;nubbins`;no heroes in trinque's family 1273425;1442194898;trinque;plenty actually, and they survived 1273426;1442194901;trinque;great granddaddy got the silver star 1273427;1442194903;asciilifeform;it isn't about heroes either 1273428;1442194917;asciilifeform;it is about wanting to live as man, not pig, and not needing pig-life for anything. 1273429;1442194925;thestringpuller;damn. now I want to play starfox 1273430;1442194927;cazalla;thestringpuller, link has changed tremendously, he's a girl now 1273431;1442194931;trinque;^ 1273432;1442194938;nubbins`;so you find yourself in the mud and what, lie down? 1273433;1442194960;thestringpuller;Link is a girl now? 1273434;1442194969;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not the point 1273435;1442194970;*;trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger 1273436;1442194977;trinque;one of my favorite RPGs 1273437;1442194980;asciilifeform;the point is that i will not go to the mud voluntarily. 1273438;1442194988;nubbins`;syrians didn't either 1273439;1442194998;cazalla;thestringpuller, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpyRtM3IgAAwYMY.jpg pretty much 1273440;1442194999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHXtYR ) 1273441;1442195046;nubbins`;mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else 1273442;1442195060;nubbins`;or at least that's the outer layer of it, i can't be fucked to peel all of his onions for him 1273443;1442195068;thestringpuller;lol cazalla back to the cel shading 1273444;1442195076;thestringpuller;cazalla: we never did get ot battle pokemons 1273445;1442195094;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4 1273446;1442195095;assbot;Pikachu on Acid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHXBYx ) 1273447;1442195103;cazalla;thestringpuller, have not played recently so won't be any time soon 1273448;1442195112;nubbins`;^ this is maybe the second-most accurate depiction of LSD i've seen in video format 1273449;1442195116;*;thestringpuller cries 1273450;1442195119;nubbins`;#1 goes to mad men 1273451;1442195128;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpWlKCfSPcU 1273452;1442195129;assbot;Mad Men: LSD Scene [HD] 720p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbE3Gs ) 1273453;1442195144;nubbins`;combine those two videos somehow and you're close to the real thing 1273454;1442195217;trinque;nubbins`: ah the way the colors shift, got that on the last trip 1273455;1442195218;thestringpuller;"Well Dr. Leary I find your product boring." << megalulz 1273456;1442195228;nubbins`;heh 1273457;1442195231;nubbins`;it gets better. 1273458;1442195235;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273175 << this is not hard. mine fields, flame thrower tanks, etc. some countries selectively refuse to enforce them, yes. but not because the tech does not exist. 1273459;1442195235;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 22:47:27; mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ? 1273460;1442195377;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273266 << this concept is absolutely key. 1273461;1442195377;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 23:06:04; mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there. 1273462;1442195385;asciilifeform;'nobody dies for his hotel room' (tm) 1273463;1442195422;mircea_popescu; mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else << no. my argument is that if you're refugeeing, where you go to refugee discriminates you. if you go to the eu, you're a scumbag. if you go to tanzania, you're somebody. 1273464;1442195444;mircea_popescu;because YOU know if you are or you aren't worth shit, and YOU act accordingly. 1273465;1442195445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the euro jews who refused, collectively, to go to south america ? 1273466;1442195460;mircea_popescu;and they got shot for it, as they should have been ? 1273467;1442195463;asciilifeform;same basic dynamic, aha 1273468;1442195464;mircea_popescu;i would hope they did. 1273469;1442195485;mircea_popescu;because seriously, nobody needs them nobody wants them and they shouldn't even be here in the first place. 1273470;1442195534;asciilifeform;!s ms st louis 1273471;1442195535;assbot;0 results for 'ms st louis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ms+st+louis 1273472;1442195541;asciilifeform;;;google ms st louis 1273473;1442195542;gribble;MS St. Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Voyage of the St. Louis - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: ; The Tragedy of S.S. St. Louis | Jewish Virtual Library: 1273474;1442195545;thestringpuller;for some reason this reminds me of kowloon walled city 1273475;1442195575;cazalla;https://i.imgur.com/yfCqpvw.jpg 1273476;1442195576;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbELDF ) 1273477;1442195597;trinque;the last one got more shares 1273478;1442195600;trinque;success 1273479;1442195615;asciilifeform;wat 1273480;1442195640;nubbins`;total shoop 1273481;1442195725;trinque;doesn't matter still lolled 1273482;1442195780;nubbins`;well, we can't take that away from you 1273483;1442195827;danielpbarron;trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger << I got the official snes cartridge. I understand it's one of the more popular games from that era, but personal fav was "Secret of Mana" 1273484;1442195839;nubbins`;never owned a snes 1273485;1442195875;danielpbarron;mine still works. I sometimes use it to play competative smb3 via All-Stars 1273486;1442195876;trinque;danielpbarron: also good; both were Square games iirc 1273487;1442195901;nubbins`;i went nes-genesis-psx-xbox-wii-wiiu 1273488;1442195907;nubbins`;with various handhelds scattered throughout 1273489;1442195961;*;trinque spend some time last night writing notes on a WoT+deedbot web of CLOS displayed by CLIM 1273490;1442195972;trinque;maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez 1273491;1442196002;trinque;be they ROMs or books 1273492;1442196008;trinque;*spent 1273493;1442196047;cazalla;danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkK4wWZ2hYo 1273494;1442196048;assbot;The Wizard - I love the Power Glove... it's so bad (Full Scene) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHZoww ) 1273495;1442196054;trinque;I think the point about data vs code is key, that I might be willing to encounter someone else's data without a WoT relationship, but I'll be damned if I want to run their code 1273496;1442196055;nubbins`;heh 1273497;1442196092;thestringpuller;trinque: i'd listen to their music tho 1273498;1442196139;trinque;I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free 1273499;1442196179;nubbins`;you'd listen to their mixtape? 1273500;1442196187;thestringpuller;studio album 1273501;1442196195;thestringpuller;mix tapes are for the A&R people 1273502;1442196198;thestringpuller;unless you're drake 1273503;1442196203;thestringpuller;the one good thing from canada 1273504;1442196205;nubbins`;http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Drop+it+like+it+s+hot+arrogant_4efbdc_5457940.jpg 1273505;1442196207;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbFJzz ) 1273506;1442196223;trinque;looool 1273507;1442196227;mircea_popescu; maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez << win. 1273508;1442196270;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, in-wot you can;'t even define "warez". 1273509;1442196280;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: You ever play Secret of Evermore? That cartridge is worth quite a bit these days iirc. 1273510;1442196285;mircea_popescu;much like "IP" had little meaning in the minstrel era. 1273511;1442196294;danielpbarron;cazalla> danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? << the game can be played "2 player" and each player has a separate score. You get the most points from time left over on the counter, so it's not usually a good idea to go back for coins. 1273512;1442196297;trinque;mircea_popescu: very true 1273513;1442196298;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273291 << these have been turning up since at least 2008 1273514;1442196298;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 23:25:55; mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/fake%20gold%203.jpg << ahaha for reals ?! 1273515;1442196302;asciilifeform;i thought it was well-known. 1273516;1442196310;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: That cartridge being Chrono Trigger. 1273517;1442196314;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, yes I am familiar with that one (my cousins had it) but unfortunately I never got it 1273518;1442196337;asciilifeform;notably, the tungsten-cored bars are ~trivial~ to detect, and their very existence is predicated on ~nobody wanting to detect~. this was discussed here iirc. 1273519;1442196340;danielpbarron;yes it was worth about 100 USD last i checked (10 years ago) 1273520;1442196356;thestringpuller;I didn't get to play Chrono Trigger till the PSX era when they rereleased it. It's a great game. Just so many different endings. 1273521;1442196366;mircea_popescu;10 oz bar is not really storage grade toh. 1273522;1442196372;mircea_popescu;seems more like consumer fraud 1273523;1442196385;nubbins`;the real lulz are when the good delivery bars are drilled out 1273524;1442196398;nubbins`;meantime, why so much leeway in weight for GD? 1273525;1442196419;nubbins`;between 350 and 430 tr.oz, srsly? 1273526;1442196425;mircea_popescu;tbh, the gold delivery process is not large enough. the only way to do it currently is to send delegates to observe assays. takes 7-10 days. 1273527;1442196426;nubbins`;i'll take 430s, please 1273528;1442196436;mircea_popescu;gavin should write a GIP to improve gold transfer blockspace. 1273529;1442196455;mircea_popescu;if all the gold in the world changed hands right now it would take ~12 years to clear it all. 1273530;1442196460;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i think the cart alone goes for 120-140ish now. Full gets up (box et. al) is probably double that maybe 300-400 range. 1273531;1442196465;asciilifeform;iirc we did this here... can build machine that gives GUARANTEED tungsten-or-not, for 100 usd. 1273532;1442196472;asciilifeform;but no one will every buy it. 1273533;1442196484;cazalla;danielpbarron, i hate 2 player mode - always used to ensure console time is evenly shared amongst brothers :\ 1273534;1442196486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we're discussing the things that are, not the things that could be. 1273535;1442196486;nubbins`;too scary to actually look in the crystal ball 1273536;1442196491;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, i also have the manual, but not the box (i bought the manual separately from the cart 1273537;1442196493;mircea_popescu;the gold blockchain, as is, has ~10kbps bw. 1273538;1442196508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: things-that-are involve either melt-and-assay or that $50k ultrasound box 1273539;1442196510;nubbins`;but those sidechain tx's! 1273540;1442196516;mircea_popescu;melt and assay. 1273541;1442196524;mircea_popescu;(random pick, but stll) 1273542;1442196527;asciilifeform;(iirc the ultrasound thing is used for spot-checks) 1273543;1442196536;danielpbarron;cazalla, it's only evenly shared if you are evenly matched in battle mode (the thing that happens if you catch the player lingering on your square) 1273544;1442196551;nubbins`;danielpbarron +1 1273545;1442196570;mircea_popescu;there's also a heat diffusion pattern method 1273546;1442196575;danielpbarron;people get so pissy when I catch them into a battle and take their turn 1273547;1442196581;mircea_popescu;(very similar to the nazi watering to look for buried stuff thing) 1273548;1442196593;nubbins`;you can play the whole 2p game yourself if you're good in battle mode 1273549;1442196600;danielpbarron;eh not really 1273550;1442196605;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. this is btw the only reliable test for diamond. 1273551;1442196616;trinque;asciilifeform: is there something respectable to look at in the CL world in regards to RPC? 1273552;1442196616;danielpbarron;if you're reaaaly good, you plan your levels out so as to not get stuck in battles at all 1273553;1442196617;asciilifeform;commercially available, and, unlike the gold thing, costs pennies 1273554;1442196625;asciilifeform;trinque: rpc ? 1273555;1442196626;nubbins`;what ever became of all that perfect synthetic diamond hype? 1273556;1442196631;mircea_popescu;yeah cause diamond isnt as conductive 1273557;1442196635;trinque;asciilifeform: that guy has a function I wanna get the result of via a socket 1273558;1442196637;asciilifeform;nubbins`: sop. can go, buy now 1273559;1442196646;nubbins`;fun 1273560;1442196648;asciilifeform;trinque: why the fuck do you need a library for this 1273561;1442196650;nubbins`;they're still forever tho, right? 1273562;1442196651;trinque;wondering if there was some elegant way of doing this in the civilized era 1273563;1442196656;trinque;who said library... 1273564;1442196658;mircea_popescu;forever -1 nubbins` 1273565;1442196664;nubbins`;heh 1273566;1442196667;asciilifeform;trinque: it's an extra line of code, write it yourself 1273567;1442196691;trinque;fine answer; I've developed the habit of at least trying to look for prior art before reinventing something 1273568;1442196702;asciilifeform;trinque: the very fact of having asked the question is indicative of needing detox from years of using shitlangs 1273569;1442196761;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273326 << a year ago, and 100% factual, but go and try speaking of this to non-#b-a folks, aha. 1273570;1442196761;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 00:30:34; shinohai: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ 1273571;1442196798;asciilifeform;'From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hats deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasnt been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used watered-dow 1273572;1442196799;asciilifeform;n encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption)....' 1273573;1442196826;trinque;asciilifeform: seems to me the right way is simply to barf sexps that look like function calls over the wire 1273574;1442196849;asciilifeform;trinque: you can make them look like whatever, and it'll still be one line. 1273575;1442196865;asciilifeform;this preoccupation with format is a disease of the non-cl world, aha 1273576;1442196874;asciilifeform;where it takes actual fucking work to transform one to another 1273577;1442196885;nubbins`;"Assays of GD bars are determined by the refiner at the point of manufacture. An assay is likely only to be checked again when a bar is used as raw material in a refinery, for example, for the manufacture of small bars or in a plant manufacturing products like jewellery." 1273578;1442196895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85300 @ 0.00075275 = 64.2096 BTC [+] {6} 1273579;1442196925;asciilifeform;nubbins`: phun phakt: tungsten bars have 100% genuine assay marks. 1273580;1442196929;nubbins`;8) 1273581;1442196939;trinque;asciilifeform: better question might be whether there are existing hypertext system implementations from that era 1273582;1442196953;trinque;had a thread with gabriel_laddel recently on whether hypertext was even valuable; I hold that it is 1273583;1442196973;deedbot-;[Trilema] What is a fractal ? - http://trilema.com/2015/what-is-a-fractal/ 1273584;1442196973;trinque;node over there has data; I want to view it with presentations over here 1273585;1442196978;asciilifeform;trinque: there is the symbolics one 1273586;1442196985;trinque;this was HTML or something else? 1273587;1442196990;asciilifeform;trinque: entirely else. 1273588;1442196999;trinque;obviously I'm searching for the latter 1273589;1442197017;trinque;"document examiner" << ?? 1273590;1442197024;asciilifeform;aha 1273591;1442197034;trinque;ty 1273592;1442197040;asciilifeform;'concordia' also. 1273593;1442197058;asciilifeform;('examiner' was a viewer-only thing) 1273594;1442197087;asciilifeform;concordia even typeset books (including the manuals, which i have here on my shelf) 1273595;1442197120;asciilifeform;trinque: https://vimeo.com/83886950 1273596;1442197121;assbot;Symbolics Document Examiner and Concordia on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbH2yI ) 1273597;1442197235;nubbins`;i did some typesetting with LaTeX in uni, the math dept required it 1273598;1442197247;asciilifeform;i used and still use latex. 1273599;1442197250;asciilifeform;for all sorts of things. 1273600;1442197260;nubbins`;great for equations 1273601;1442197277;asciilifeform;except not so great for anything which ~didn't start life intended for latexing~ 1273602;1442197291;nubbins`;heh 1273603;1442197295;asciilifeform;this is the difference between the typesetter component in 'concordia' and latex 1273604;1442197297;trinque;seems entirely clear to me that a better web would be nothing more than something like a CLIM listener here, and a network of data sources out there 1273605;1442197306;asciilifeform;can take ~whatever~ on the machine and have it sanely typeset. 1273606;1442197332;asciilifeform;trinque: precisely how a better horse is this box with four legs, reins, motor, aha ? 1273607;1442197339;trinque;and maybe the data source proposes to me that my system fetch some new presentations it needs, but that the act of browing around does not *at all* involve running someone else's code 1273608;1442197364;trinque;asciilifeform: we all use the web all day; I'd have to be persuaded that it's useless 1273609;1442197366;asciilifeform;the preoccupation with 'i will read your data but not run your code' is voodoo. 1273610;1442197369;nubbins`;keep going and you'll reinvent MIME types 1273611;1442197380;asciilifeform;the physical difference is imaginary 1273612;1442197386;asciilifeform;!s what colour are your bits 1273613;1442197387;assbot;6 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits 1273614;1442197425;trinque;nubbins`: mime types are a shitty implementation of something that came before it 1273615;1442197441;nubbins`;s/mime types/everything 1273616;1442197448;trinque;too real 1273617;1442197452;nubbins`;sry 1273618;1442197488;nubbins`;you think that's too real, don't ask me about cellular automata 1273619;1442197505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00074492 = 80.6003 BTC [-] {4} 1273620;1442197514;trinque;asciilifeform: if there could be hard constraints on what someone else's code could do on my computer, I'd be far more willing 1273621;1442197531;asciilifeform;trinque: it isn't really a computer until this is so. 1273622;1442197536;trinque;as it stands I'd like to go back to an addressing system for flat text with the option of involving more code as I see fit 1273623;1442197542;trinque;asciilifeform: there we have no disagreement 1273624;1442197667;gernika;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271600 asciilifeform is there a book you can recommend that approximates this, or at least traces a few important branches? 1273625;1442197667;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 20:29:47; mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species. 1273626;1442197695;trinque;exactly what I meant about the right man's library index 1273627;1442197700;*;trinque departs for a bit 1273628;1442197753;asciilifeform;gernika: i cannot answer this because it is not clear to me what is being asked for. 1273629;1442197763;nubbins`;came across my uni transcripts recently: yipes. 1273630;1442197773;nubbins`;i have no business holding a degree 1273631;1442197800;nubbins`;but... the only way they can take it away from me is by rendering it useless throu... waitaminute 1273632;1442197815;*;nubbins` wanders off to think 1273633;1442197846;gernika;asciilifeform a book that connects pythagoras to newton, with proofs for all the nodes in between? 1273634;1442197874;asciilifeform;gernika: sure. this is a book, except that it is made of 1,001 others and they take up three bookcases. 1273635;1442197879;asciilifeform;i sorta have one here. 1273636;1442197892;gernika;I feared as much. 1273637;1442197894;asciilifeform;but it wouldn't do you any good. there is not a standardized one that works on everybody. 1273638;1442197976;asciilifeform;if you want a pocket-sized 'tour guide', try 'Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning' (A. D. Aleksandrov, A. N. Kolmogorov, et al) 1273639;1442198010;gernika;ok. thanks. 1273640;1442198017;asciilifeform;readily and cheaply available in english 1273641;1442198019;asciilifeform;paperback. 1273642;1442198089;asciilifeform;problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study. 1273643;1442198126;trinque;;;google ext:pdf Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning 1273644;1442198126;gribble;Mathematics: its content, methods, and meaning - New Mexico ...: ; algorithms in modern mathematics and computer science: ; Mathematics Reference Books: (1 more message) 1273645;1442198420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100032 @ 0.00075046 = 75.07 BTC [+] {5} 1273646;1442198509;*;gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed. 1273647;1442199105;gernika;khan academy's knowledge map approximates what I seek but is tragically composed of video nodes, rather than book titles and page numbers: http://www.semko.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/khan-map-half-complete.jpg 1273648;1442199107;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqRQd6 ) 1273649;1442199213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00074203 = 32.3525 BTC [-] 1273650;1442201531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0007442 = 8.4839 BTC [+] 1273651;1442203117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56430 @ 0.0007442 = 41.9952 BTC [+] 1273652;1442205313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00074203 = 19.1444 BTC [-] 1273653;1442205689;*;ben_vulpes is enjoying the anton_osika thread 1273654;1442205824;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272924 << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? 1273655;1442205824;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 22:05:59; nubbins`: your name is irrelevant 1273656;1442206197;mircea_popescu;and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers << incidentally, this is why a b-a linux is such a low hanging fruit. 1273657;1442206221;mircea_popescu;but for some reason either the histeresis is great or outright resistance to the notion is great. 1273658;1442206237;ben_vulpes;what hysteresis 1273659;1442206319;mircea_popescu;in between me pointing out gentoo does not actually work and alf getting off his "works for me" horse. 1273660;1442206367;mircea_popescu;there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. 1273661;1442206389;ben_vulpes;heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel? 1273662;1442206433;mircea_popescu;maybe. but ancient crypto is useless. 1273663;1442206439;mircea_popescu;modern crypto useless for the reason stated 1273664;1442206453;ben_vulpes;well, "ancient". 1273665;1442206453;mircea_popescu;there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort. 1273666;1442206459;mircea_popescu;1990s. 1273667;1442206484;ben_vulpes;if it boots emacs, i'm in. 1273668;1442206502;ben_vulpes;"the programmer's portable os" 1273669;1442206536;mircea_popescu; I feared as much. << the objection is valid, and in no way different from "you can have a working os, i sort-of have one here, it's made out of 400 pieces and i could maybe remake it if i had a week off." 1273670;1442206575;mircea_popescu;quite a ways to go to what we actually want to have. 1273671;1442206643;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study. 1273672;1442206643;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 02:34:49; asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study. 1273673;1442206670;mircea_popescu;wich strictly means that a) mathematics is not open to human beings and b) even ultraspecialised approaches are pushing the proposition. 1273674;1442206702;mircea_popescu;;;calc 16 * 365 * 50 1273675;1442206703;gribble;292000 1273676;1442206717;mircea_popescu;maybe 1% or so is the best you can hope for, as a human. 1273677;1442206774;mircea_popescu;the problem is that until and unless someone takes a serious byte out of making the damned thing, it's kind of hard to guess if and how the graph is actually summarizable, or w/e the term is. 1273678;1442206796;mircea_popescu;but 3k years' worth of bumbling efforts at "teaching" math by ear certainly never got very far with it. 1273679;1442206863;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273646 << algebra is easily the hardest part. not even just because the notion of number is easily the most complex abstraction we've invented to date. 1273680;1442206863;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 02:41:49; *: gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed. 1273681;1442206917;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes: << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? << array of conveniences. your govt id includes your name aside from your number too. 1273682;1442206930;thestringpuller;!gettrust kruzt 1273683;1442206930;assbot;kruzt is not registered in WoT. 1273684;1442206992;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה 1273685;1442206992;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1273686;1442207170;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273206 << actually, ask danielpbarron 1273687;1442207170;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 22:51:17; mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her! 1273688;1442207213;thestringpuller;^^^ danielpbarron 1273689;1442207269;BingoBoingo; there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. << What, rotor stopped making enough Linux? 1273690;1442207316;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: "the whole point of the last month of pregnancy is to make the idea of childbearing very appealing" 1273691;1442207317;mircea_popescu;yeah! 1273692;1442207355;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: childbearing seems unappealing to me 1273693;1442207373;ben_vulpes;the things women generally enthuse about doing to cocks doesn't appeal to me either. 1273694;1442207509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112414 @ 0.00074104 = 83.3033 BTC [-] {5} 1273695;1442207530;thestringpuller;like hitting dudes in the balls? that isn't very fun either. 1273696;1442207552;ben_vulpes;no man, like sucking cocks and bearing children. 1273697;1442207576;thestringpuller;how are those two things related?!? 1273698;1442207588;ben_vulpes;things women do that i don't! 1273699;1442207615;thestringpuller;being on the male side of child bearing is the unappealing part i was referring to! lol 1273700;1442207636;thestringpuller;i would need 9 months of xanex for that 1273701;1442207654;thestringpuller;i actually don't think all the xanex in the world would help 1273702;1442207895;mircea_popescu;what about xanax ? 1273703;1442208501;ben_vulpes;it's great - a whole new world of indignities and hilarities to enjoy the spectacle of 1273704;1442209034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76300 @ 0.00074034 = 56.4879 BTC [-] {4} 1273705;1442209442;cazalla;fluffypony, do you know "Francois Harris the founder of Bitcoinzar" 1273706;1442209515;cazalla;either way - http://memeburn.com/2015/09/education-is-the-big-hurdle-blocking-bitcoin-growth-in-africa/ 1273707;1442209517;assbot;Education is the big hurdle blocking Bitcoin growth in Africa - Memeburn ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9Y2Yz ) 1273708;1442209529;cazalla;and here i thought it was money, or lack of it 1273709;1442209784;fluffypony;cazalla: he follows me on Twitter and we've pm'd a bit, don't know him outside of that 1273710;1442210132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9209 @ 0.00074838 = 6.8918 BTC [+] {4} 1273711;1442210211;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/upshot/gaps-in-alumni-earnings-stand-out-in-release-of-college-data.html 1273712;1442210214;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9YKF1 ) 1273713;1442210226;punkman;"The Department of Education calculated the percentage of students at each college who earned more than $25,000 per year, which is about what high school graduates earn. At hundreds of colleges, less than half of students met this threshold 10 years after enrolling" 1273714;1442210315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00075932 = 4.1618 BTC [+] 1273715;1442210376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88319 @ 0.00075998 = 67.1207 BTC [+] {6} 1273716;1442210437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40449 @ 0.00076056 = 30.7639 BTC [+] {2} 1273717;1442211413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00075879 = 47.8038 BTC [-] 1273718;1442212662;thestringpuller;punkman: College loans maybe the greatest scam yet. 1273719;1442212682;thestringpuller;Go to school work for school for cheap. Pay back loans for years to come. 1273720;1442212691;thestringpuller;all whilst still poor 1273721;1442212739;punkman;and still uneducated 1273722;1442212938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97353 @ 0.00076118 = 74.1032 BTC [+] {6} 1273723;1442213426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235593 @ 0.00076292 = 179.7386 BTC [+] {9} 1273724;1442213731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101100 @ 0.00075879 = 76.7137 BTC [-] 1273725;1442214219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00075879 = 17.3004 BTC [-] 1273726;1442214890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13905 @ 0.00076577 = 10.648 BTC [+] 1273727;1442215129;mircea_popescu;holy shit punkman 1273728;1442215157;mircea_popescu;are those "hundreds of colleges" pretty much community "colleges" etc ? 1273729;1442215192;mircea_popescu;and "college graduates" earning 2k per month is bs, incidentally. that's what the living wage is. 1273730;1442215239;mircea_popescu;highschool grad in unionized job (police, plumbing, roadwork, you name it) does iirc 30-40k in his 30s. 1273731;1442215303;punkman;it did mention barber/cosmetology "colleges" were included 1273732;1442215385;mircea_popescu;seems there's ~7k colleges in the us. "hundreds" is meaningless in this context. 1273733;1442215389;mircea_popescu;https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84 1273734;1442215391;assbot;Fast Facts ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5TSO6 ) 1273735;1442215396;mircea_popescu;(note the .asp for a lol.) 1273736;1442215492;punkman;mircea_popescu: Title IV are just the ones the gov will loan you money to attend 1273737;1442215508;mircea_popescu;right 1273738;1442215956;BingoBoingo;ASP, Adobe cold fusion, nothing more toxic than an American college website 1273739;1442216110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23293 @ 0.00075873 = 17.6731 BTC [-] {3} 1273740;1442216354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00076582 = 17.9968 BTC [+] {3} 1273741;1442216964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4426 @ 0.00076599 = 3.3903 BTC [+] 1273742;1442217452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00074461 = 51.6015 BTC [-] {4} 1273743;1442218123;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00467408 = 3.5056 BTC [+] {4} 1273744;1442218137;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller since you were asking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVCZagJtj8&t=16m14s 1273745;1442218138;assbot;Julia Tourianski: State Control Perpetually Increasing Until Collapse - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lt7gZT ) 1273746;1442218141;mircea_popescu;apparently she's reading the logs. 1273747;1442219099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074186 = 35.9802 BTC [-] 1273748;1442220197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172957 @ 0.00076666 = 132.5992 BTC [+] {6} 1273749;1442220624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90223 @ 0.00076623 = 69.1316 BTC [-] {5} 1273750;1442220685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14274 @ 0.00076832 = 10.967 BTC [+] {2} 1273751;1442222663;BingoBoingo;And reddit runs out of node budget https://archive.is/AAWwW 1273752;1442222664;assbot;Anyone running a full node for their apps/websites? Where do you store it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iplUuj ) 1273753;1442222890;shinohai;LOL 1273754;1442222918;shinohai;I have a paltry node budget, I run it anyway. 1273755;1442223918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141483 @ 0.00074961 = 106.0571 BTC [-] {6} 1273756;1442225420;punkman;http://mashable.com/2015/09/12/us-open-final-ticket-price-drop/ 1273757;1442225421;assbot;Nobody wants to go to the US Open anymore now that Serena is out ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNkx53 ) 1273758;1442227212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76313 @ 0.00073824 = 56.3373 BTC [-] {3} 1273759;1442227822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241150 @ 0.00077003 = 185.6927 BTC [+] {8} 1273760;1442228281;punkman;herp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/business/dealbook/pitfalls-for-the-unwary-borrower-out-on-the-frontiers-of-banking.html 1273761;1442228284;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHJibg ) 1273762;1442230385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00073927 = 47.1654 BTC [-] 1273763;1442230592;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273688 << https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/643289336524345344 1273764;1442230592;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 05:06:53; thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron 1273765;1442231110;shinohai;Well can't say danielpbarron hasn't done his part for the cult. 1273766;1442231544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110546 @ 0.00074261 = 82.0926 BTC [+] {2} 1273767;1442231727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48858 @ 0.00073816 = 36.065 BTC [-] {5} 1273768;1442231788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152585 @ 0.0007505 = 114.515 BTC [+] {3} 1273769;1442232459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.00073708 = 87.8599 BTC [-] {3} 1273770;1442233360;cazalla;well, Australia just got their 5th prime minister in 5 years - not that i expect anyone actually gives a fuck http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defeats-tony-abbott-in-liberal-leadership-spill-to-become-prime-minister-20150914-gjmhiu.html 1273771;1442233361;assbot;Malcolm Turnbull defeats Tony Abbott in Liberal leadership spill to become prime minister ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6nD1g ) 1273772;1442233387;cazalla;this time it's gonna be different! this guy we can count on to lead the country unlike 28 people before him 1273773;1442233794;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's fortunate that moore's law hosts nodes for free in moore's legal datacenter 1273774;1442233800;mircea_popescu;otherwise i dunno what they'd do. 1273775;1442234087;mircea_popescu;lead it to where ? 1273776;1442234185;davout;ohai asseteristas 1273777;1442234255;mircea_popescu;hola. 1273778;1442234838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215950 @ 0.00073621 = 158.9845 BTC [-] {6} 1273779;1442235494;funkenstein_;!up HeySteve 1273780;1442235539;HeySteve;hey, thanks funkenstein_ 1273781;1442235593;HeySteve;having connection difficulties lately so I haven't been doing the manual sign in 1273782;1442237156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00075478 = 62.1184 BTC [+] {3} 1273783;1442237730;funkenstein_;the case of anton_osika reminds me of the post-resleeving identification ceremony from the takeshi kovacs novels. 1273784;1442237809;funkenstein_;a signed statement from "enough" people in counterparty's WOT that the spirit of key A now resides in key B would be the only way 1273785;1442237947;funkenstein_;but we all learn from these things so I say thanks to all involved 1273786;1442238384;funkenstein_;"luke, I am your father". "No it's not true, sign a statement with his key bitch" 1273787;1442238496;mod6;heheh 1273788;1442239657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132061 @ 0.00075821 = 100.13 BTC [+] {2} 1273789;1442239718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10189 @ 0.00075926 = 7.7361 BTC [+] 1273790;1442240267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00075926 = 7.0611 BTC [+] 1273791;1442242402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59306 @ 0.00076059 = 45.1076 BTC [+] {3} 1273792;1442243195;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/KCcGbJ5.png <<< Insight on refugee crisis 1273793;1442243196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KO1rvM ) 1273794;1442244049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47476 @ 0.00077195 = 36.6491 BTC [+] {3} 1273795;1442244072;mircea_popescu;!up Martin777 1273796;1442244110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00077224 = 9.131 BTC [+] {2} 1273797;1442244190;mircea_popescu;shinohai in other news, the isis throughput seems to be about 3%. 1273798;1442244230;mircea_popescu;(isis has more "boots on the ground" in the immigrant wave than the us has in the entire middle east.) 1273799;1442244415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00077225 = 56.0654 BTC [+] 1273800;1442244572;shinohai;Doesn't surprise me a all. 1273801;1442244942;shinohai;Also, if the anton_osika guy reads these logs, please note there is no such word in the English language as "unprobabilistically " 1273802;1442245044;shinohai;!up anton_osika 1273803;1442245058;anton_osika;Thanks. 1273804;1442245092;shinohai;nw 1273805;1442245134;anton_osika;I do read. I also have a talent for getting into tip-of-the-tounge moments, in such cases I make up words... 1273806;1442245170;kakobrekla;we dont have a problem with words here but with concepts. 1273807;1442245288;anton_osika;I tried to refer to the concept of 5 sigma, etc. 1273808;1442245321;shinohai;When you PM'd me and said you had your "PGP keys unprobabilistically stolen" I was left scratching my head. 1273809;1442245329;shinohai;New tyoe of theft to me. 1273810;1442245441;anton_osika;Well the "unprobabilistic" part was my strong belief that my keys were fail-safe recoverable. 1273811;1442245458;anton_osika;Hope it clarifies. 1273812;1442245757;shinohai;If you put money in your wallet and someone takes it out, do you think that is also fail-safe recoverable? 1273813;1442245775;shinohai;Or say, the keys to your apartment? 1273814;1442246120;trinque;anton_osika: that is not what that word means 1273815;1442246121;shinohai;http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/09/14/banks-decryption-keys-symphony.html?ana=twt 1273816;1442246123;assbot;Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, and Bank of New York Mellon agree to hand over decrption keys to Symphony - New York Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaGEPm ) 1273817;1442246126;trinque;you are looking for "improbably" 1273818;1442246175;shinohai;Bet this will be interesting. 1273819;1442246477;mircea_popescu;he was trying to say "improbably" o noes! 1273820;1442246481;mircea_popescu;anyway, bbl! 1273821;1442246515;shinohai;o/ cheers 1273822;1442246523;trinque;was just halpin 1273823;1442246550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43691 @ 0.00077349 = 33.7946 BTC [+] {3} 1273824;1442247205;trinque;!up anton_osika 1273825;1442247244;anton_osika;Funkenstein_ wrote a nice line above. 1273826;1442247250;anton_osika;Regarding WoT. 1273827;1442247258;thestringpuller;So the people in #bitcoin-xt have some terrible links in their WoT 1273828;1442247284;thestringpuller;i'm tempted to run a graph on the nicks in #bitcoin-XT and see which ones of them are connected to known scammers 1273829;1442247299;trinque;^ sounds like an awesome idea. 1273830;1442247330;anton_osika;If, hypothetically, people agree that I would have enough proof of being the long party, in this contract: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A 1273831;1442247331;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M ) 1273832;1442247392;anton_osika;Would people here give their WoT that this long party should receive the delivery? 1273833;1442247411;trinque;anton_osika: I think those here are tired of the pleading; I didn't voice you for that. And no, we do not vote on mircea_popescu's actions. 1273834;1442247418;anton_osika;And the verification of the identity I am thinking of is not so hypothetical. 1273835;1442247440;trinque;and the contact is solely with him; not with the WoT 1273836;1442247447;anton_osika;trinque: I am sorry if that is what is seems. 1273837;1442247462;trinque;*contract 1273838;1442247477;thestringpuller;this sounds like when Usagi lost his/her backups 1273839;1442247484;anton_osika;Well the only thing he wants to defend is his WoT - so the opinions of other is relevant in these kind of contracts. 1273840;1442247621;trinque;!down anton_osika 1273841;1442247648;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 229 @ 0.00488017 = 1.1176 BTC [-] 1273842;1442247780;thestringpuller;can someone fill me in on what's going on? 1273843;1442247797;trinque;thestringpuller: in teh logz from yesterday 1273844;1442247802;thestringpuller;dude wrote GPG contract, contract was partially executed, dude lost his key to prove delivery? 1273845;1442247815;trinque;yar 1273846;1442247836;shinohai;He made a deal will the devil betting on Ethereum anyway. 1273847;1442247837;thestringpuller;why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe... 1273848;1442247895;thestringpuller;usagi 2.0: http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/31/usagi-back-back-back-it-up-ayee/ 1273849;1442248076;shinohai;fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ 1273850;1442248091;fluffypony;good times 1273851;1442248240;thestringpuller;WoT seems to work as advertised. Usagi completely vanished after Pete's assassination of him. 1273852;1442248372;shinohai;I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior. 1273853;1442248609;thestringpuller;That wasn't nearly as bad as pirate collapse. 1273854;1442248799;thestringpuller;!ticker h rent 1273855;1442248799;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00841001 / 0.00912056 / 0.00999999 (290 shares, 2.64496239 BTC), 30D: 0.00781001 / 0.00955043 / 0.01150000 (636 shares, 6.07407109 BTC) 1273856;1442248808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84700 @ 0.00076906 = 65.1394 BTC [-] {3} 1273857;1442249191;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1273858;1442249277;thestringpuller;how goes the uranium mines mr. ascii_field 1273859;1442249357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00077576 = 23.7383 BTC [+] 1273860;1442249582;ascii_field;thestringpuller: working on the five-year plan 1273861;1442249649;ascii_field;'"To address cyber-security concerns, we ensure that all your conversations are transmitted in encrypted form," he wrote. "The key is that we do this without compromising ease of use and content discovery." As we now know, at least part of that "content discovery" now includes investitgators' searching for evidence of malfeasance.' 1273862;1442249653;ascii_field;glorious. 1273863;1442249664;ascii_field;why would anyone use 'symphony' chat thing after this... ? 1273864;1442249740;ascii_field;(or, for that matter, ~before~) 1273865;1442249997;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273660 << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics. 1273866;1442249997;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 04:52:47; mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. 1273867;1442250051;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273661 << i personally won't work on anything which i can't use. and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate, AND simultaneously process blocks, etc. then I WON'T USE IT 1273868;1442250051;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 04:53:09; ben_vulpes: heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel? 1273869;1442250065;kakobrekla;headless + line printer output 1273870;1442250068;kakobrekla;like in the olden days 1273871;1442250095;thestringpuller;dark ages 1273872;1442250107;ascii_field;kakobrekla, thestringpuller: go buy pdp-11 on ebay, use. 1273873;1442250111;ascii_field;it is waiting. 1273874;1442250178;kakobrekla;nothing in working conditions it seems. 1273875;1442250196;ascii_field;kakobrekla: plenty of microvaxen 1273876;1442250209;thestringpuller;ascii_field: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectible-Vintage-Computer-Digital-Micro-PDP11-73-PDP-11-73-/381399780028?hash=item58cd32cabc << this thing? 1273877;1442250259;kakobrekla;it comes down to the question if the 'bitcoin distro' is suppose to handle blockchain (and thus be connected via dangerwire) 1273878;1442250292;ascii_field;kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use) 1273879;1442250301;ascii_field;rather than a special-purpose item like rotor 1273880;1442250361;ascii_field;something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti 1273881;1442250406;thestringpuller;sounds like something those anti-systemd forkers of debian would get behind 1273882;1442250413;thestringpuller;devuan i think it was called 1273883;1442250416;ascii_field;debian was never it. 1273884;1442250440;thestringpuller;yea that's prob why all the cool kids were using Arch Linux in school 1273885;1442250447;ascii_field;thing is, the kernel per se has cancer and leprosy 1273886;1442250480;thestringpuller;so do most things, how do you rip out the tumor without killing the patient? 1273887;1442250489;ascii_field;i say - you can't. 1273888;1442250495;ascii_field;not unless you can produce hardware. 1273889;1442250544;thestringpuller;wish i could find that thread you spoke on about how modern jet production is inaccessible to non USG-tied entities. 1273890;1442250560;ascii_field;thestringpuller: not just production. OPERATION. 1273891;1442250585;ascii_field;as in, if you got one as a birthday gift, it would be good for perhaps one or two sorties, if that. 1273892;1442250623;ascii_field;and it wasn't usg in particular, but industrial slave empires in general 1273893;1442250638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82145 @ 0.00076771 = 63.0635 BTC [-] {2} 1273894;1442250667;thestringpuller;interesting side note: it makes it easy to erase technology from the face of the earth if constructed this way...i.e. sr-71 1273895;1442250676;ascii_field;aha. it is gone. 1273896;1442250680;thestringpuller;or saturn-v 1273897;1442250696;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273665 << three years. optimistically. 1273898;1442250696;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:13; mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort. 1273899;1442250771;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273667 << if it addresses 128GB of ECC RAM, and drives my wall of 'eizo's, then i'm in. 1273900;1442250771;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:44; ben_vulpes: if it boots emacs, i'm in. 1273901;1442250788;ascii_field;assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work 1273902;1442250789;ascii_field;etc. 1273903;1442250796;ascii_field;because else WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED IT 1273904;1442250869;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'. 1273905;1442250869;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 04:57:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study. 1273906;1442250909;ascii_field;this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then. 1273907;1442250942;ascii_field;HENCE my almost life-long interest in 'computer algebra' machinery. 1273908;1442250957;*;shinohai would love a bitcoin linux 1273909;1442250973;ascii_field;shinohai: what do you actually expect from such a thing ? 1273910;1442251004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101350 @ 0.00076785 = 77.8216 BTC [+] {2} 1273911;1442251031;trinque;ascii_field | kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use) << danielpbarron was able to produce something with my script 1273912;1442251034;trinque;!up ascii_field 1273913;1442251043;trinque;you can still build a sane gentoo these days 1273914;1442251073;ascii_field;trinque: one can build a working gentoo, yes. on certain hardware, and if the gods smile on you 1273915;1442251073;shinohai;ascii_field: A distribution specifically for use with realbitcoin with no unnecessary fluff 1273916;1442251088;ascii_field;~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not. 1273917;1442251105;ascii_field;shinohai: this is not what mircea_popescu was asking for 1273918;1442251106;trinque;that script I wrote approaches a gentoo installer 1273919;1442251147;trinque;the funny business is all in simple things like partitioning and installing the bootloader, pieces I bet could be lifted from debian's installer 1273920;1442251151;ascii_field;trinque: thing is, if it doesn't do x11 on ARBITRARY DISPLAY then it WON'T be my workstation. but if it DOES do x11, then it is not shitgnomery-proof 1273921;1442251156;ascii_field;same for recent kernel 1273922;1442251175;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, that is the rub; you have to have all modules built and an initrd that tries to load them all 1273923;1442251177;trinque;"genkernel" 1273924;1442251186;trinque;gives you what the livecd has 1273925;1442251233;ascii_field;trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk. 1273926;1442251293;trinque;right, that's a hell of an exercise ball 1273927;1442251348;kakobrekla;imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons) 1273928;1442251577;ascii_field;notice that NOTHING stops anybody from going to the scrapyard, digging up a pentium-ii, and booting up, e.g., prehistoric slackware on it. 1273929;1442251738;thestringpuller;well I did that recently, slackware was neat back int he 90's 1273930;1442251830;shinohai;trinque is the man for making that script. It made more sense to me than the mountain of info from the official site. 1273931;1442251878;shinohai;Helped me wrap my head around the build steps. 1273932;1442251906;ascii_field;thing is, if it won't ~correctly~ build x11, emacs & its dependencies, etc. - it is not a workstation linux. 1273933;1442251916;ascii_field;it it ~does~ but uses gentoo's portage, it is a gentoo. 1273934;1442252035;asciilifeform;!up anton_osika 1273935;1442252035;trinque;shinohai: the handbook is a piece of shit 1273936;1442252049;trinque;I haven't looked at it in years 1273937;1442252049;ascii_field;anton_osika: i cannot help you even ~if~ i wanted to. 1273938;1442252160;shinohai;Agreed trinque, which is why I never tried Gentoo until you came along. 1273939;1442252188;trinque;I'm sure a day will come when my particular recipe stops working 1273940;1442252226;*;trinque started openbsd-quest a while back 1273941;1442252259;anton_osika;ascii_field: I just needed some clarification while the gentleman MP is gone. 1273942;1442252264;ascii_field;trinque: i played with openbsd for a while and then got fed up with the dependency resolver retardation. 1273943;1442252276;ascii_field;trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus', then it can GO TO HELL 1273944;1442252279;trinque;ascii_field: pkg_add did seem to pull in goddamned everything 1273945;1442252291;trinque;there was a project a while back to get portage on openbsd 1273946;1442252293;trinque;stalled iirc 1273947;1442252312;ascii_field;what the fuck would be the point. 1273948;1442252314;ascii_field;use gentoo then. 1273949;1442252321;trinque;no monstrosity of linux kernel 1273950;1442252335;ascii_field;the monstrosity is ultimately from the hardware nonuniformity. 1273951;1442252355;ascii_field;attempting to address the kernel bloat without somehow magicking this away, is idiocy. 1273952;1442252403;ascii_field;and i personally am NOT interested in a lowest-common-denominator PIECE OF SHIT 1273953;1442252440;kakobrekla;why i mentioned standard hw. 1273954;1442252448;ascii_field;aha. 1273955;1442252452;kakobrekla;like apple does, baiscally all the same hw. 1273956;1442252460;ascii_field;right 1273957;1442252468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00077585 = 39.1028 BTC [+] {3} 1273958;1442252483;ascii_field;but if it doesn't do 10GB ethernet, hardware raid, gigantic display, etc. - it can go to hell. 1273959;1442252484;trinque;openbsd kernel seems to lack all the virtualization, containerization, ... 1273960;1442252493;trinque;while providing pretty good hardware support 1273961;1442252510;ascii_field;not good enough. 1273962;1442252528;ascii_field;i couldn't even get pcmcia to work reliably on it. 1273963;1442252532;ascii_field;on a perhistoric laptop, no less. 1273964;1442252535;ascii_field;*prehistoric 1273965;1442252575;ascii_field;and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me. 1273966;1442252638;ascii_field;for something touted as 'de-shitgnomized' unix, openbsd is uncommonly eager to pull the crud along 1273967;1442252654;ascii_field;poetteringisms, drepperisms, the whole lot. 1273968;1442252671;trinque;openbsd + V repo of standard issue tools, and forget ports 1273969;1442252682;trinque;I built my own emacs by hand on the openbsd box I put together 1273970;1442252699;trinque;*that* someone (maybe I) would be willing to maintain, but not a whole OS somebody else built 1273971;1442252706;ascii_field;trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux. 1273972;1442252728;trinque;didn't propose that; proposed a V repo of tools deps and shell scripts 1273973;1442252733;ascii_field;'want a glass of beer? here's a pile of sand, some hops, some barley' 1273974;1442252738;trinque;lol 1273975;1442252745;trinque;"wait a while" 1273976;1442252747;ascii_field;trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!! 1273977;1442252754;ascii_field;who will maintain them? you? 1273978;1442252772;trinque;obviously cannot solve the whole world at once 1273979;1442252794;ascii_field;then it does me no good. 1273980;1442252797;thestringpuller;need more cult members 1273981;1442252801;thestringpuller;and additonal pylons 1273982;1442252806;trinque;and fusion reactors 1273983;1442252806;thestringpuller;and a touch of vespene gas 1273984;1442252811;ascii_field;picture if someone offered to cut off your arms, but promised to regrow them 10x stronger cell by cell. 1273985;1442252818;trinque;how fast? 1273986;1442252819;trinque;haha 1273987;1442252821;ascii_field;to be completed some time 20 years from now, if things go well. 1273988;1442252828;ascii_field;and gathers enough interest. etc. 1273989;1442252844;thestringpuller;can we be in cryo sleep until then? 1273990;1442252848;ascii_field;no. 1273991;1442252853;thestringpuller;well that's no fun 1273992;1442252857;ascii_field;aha. 1273993;1442252899;trinque;!up ascii_field 1273994;1442252961;punkman;!s broomstick 1273995;1442252962;assbot;16 results for 'broomstick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=broomstick 1273996;1442252985;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 1273997;1442252985;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.' 1273998;1442253017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8285 @ 0.00076506 = 6.3385 BTC [-] {2} 1273999;1442253033;ascii_field;aka the 'no, mr bond, we expect you to DIE!' school of problem-solving. 1274000;1442253044;trinque;I'd build a dedicated box solely for using gossipd, browsing the WoTnet, running bitcoind, and very little else 1274001;1442253060;ascii_field;trinque: this is not a workstation. and arguably it does not need a unix at all. 1274002;1442253078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103881 @ 0.0007542 = 78.3471 BTC [-] {5} 1274003;1442253084;ascii_field;the correct thing to do with each of those programs is to de-unixize and eventually de-os-ize them. 1274004;1442253093;trinque;yeah that makes sense 1274005;1442253137;punkman;need more harems 1274006;1442253143;trinque;ascii_field: I found two fabs that will do small production runs, probably ones of which you're already aware 1274007;1442253163;ascii_field;trinque: did you also find 100M usd in your sofa cushion ? 1274008;1442253239;trinque;price point of one was far lower than that according to various internet chatter 1274009;1442253242;*;trinque looks for the links 1274010;1442253260;ascii_field;trinque: you must realize, it takes dozens of shots 1274011;1442253262;punkman;did the various internet chatters make anything? 1274012;1442253277;ascii_field;plus it ain't happening in my spare time. 1274013;1442253288;trinque;mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k 1274014;1442253308;ascii_field;what does a few k get you? 1274015;1442253357;ascii_field;last i saw, it gets you NO MOUNTING (you need a cleanroom of your own to mount the dies), NO TESTING, and 1970-level transistor counts. 1274016;1442253358;trinque;here's where I found the convo http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7042/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-custom-asic-made 1274017;1442253359;assbot;hdl - How much does it cost to have a custom ASIC made? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAHo2z ) 1274018;1442253373;trinque;guy claims 3k for 40 chips at CMP 1274019;1442253499;trinque;http://cmp.imag.fr/products/ic/ << goes down to 65nm but surely vastly more expensive 1274020;1442253500;assbot;CMP - Products :: IC's Manufacturing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrZTGp ) 1274021;1442253655;ascii_field;trinque: traditionally these fabs neither package, nor test. 1274022;1442253664;ascii_field;need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. 1274023;1442253667;trinque;ascii_field: also we're down to 100mn for a lisp CPU now? 1274024;1442253671;*;trinque ducks 1274025;1442253676;ascii_field;and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip. 1274026;1442253698;ascii_field;trinque: what difference does it make to you, 100 or 500 1274027;1442253700;ascii_field;it ain't happening. 1274028;1442253843;ascii_field;btw, does everyone understand what 'no test' means ? 1274029;1442253849;ascii_field;it means that you can get a crate of bricks 1274030;1442253851;trinque;sure, they fab the thing then throw it at you 1274031;1442253864;ascii_field;and it counts as fulfilling the contract. 1274032;1442253873;ascii_field;potentially ad infinitum. 1274033;1442254054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50875 @ 0.0007503 = 38.1715 BTC [-] {2} 1274034;1442254115;ascii_field;trinque: 'mosis' does apparently offer packaging. 1274035;1442254148;ascii_field;but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair. 1274036;1442254267;trinque;several sources online chattering about mosis being in the "several 10s of k" range 1274037;1442254275;ascii_field;per shot ? 1274038;1442254283;ascii_field;how many transistors on the die? 1274039;1442254358;trinque;trying to find a source worth linking, but yes, they're not volunteering info on the site 1274040;1442254371;trinque;two others are xfab and lfoundry apparently 1274041;1442254401;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8 1274042;1442254401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns1tIq ) 1274043;1442254401;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1274044;1442254439;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo original source - http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case 1274045;1442254440;assbot;Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns1wUH ) 1274046;1442254440;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1274047;1442254465;ascii_field;'MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. 1274048;1442254465;ascii_field;MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. 1274049;1442254465;ascii_field;An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.' 1274050;1442254469;ascii_field;^ Run Moar Winblowz! 1274051;1442254485;trinque;nsa must have something really good in there 1274052;1442254513;ascii_field;trinque: no secret what 1274053;1442254530;ascii_field;trinque: it is an openly-advertised (read the fine print) back orifice 1274054;1442254583;trinque;yeah, have seen re: "telemetry" 1274055;1442254589;ascii_field;aha. 1274056;1442254638;ascii_field;'He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered connections went over their data cap for August because of this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the computer is booted.”' 1274057;1442254643;ascii_field;lulzy. 1274058;1442254730;trinque;!up ascii_field 1274059;1442254735;trinque;apple's turds do the same thing 1274060;1442254755;chetty;perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream 1274061;1442254756;ascii_field;trinque: officially advertise a built-in keylogger ? 1274062;1442254786;trinque;they will pull down app updates automagically for you; maybe you have to turn it on 1274063;1442254806;trinque;ascii_field: but no, this does take the bizarro-land cake 1274064;1442254815;trinque;MS Sub7 1274065;1442254849;trinque;chetty: the beoble loff 'im 1274066;1442255030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15302 @ 0.00074889 = 11.4595 BTC [-] {2} 1274067;1442255091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28957 @ 0.00074415 = 21.5484 BTC [-] {2} 1274068;1442256466;thestringpuller;only if linux had the same entertainment support windows has 1274069;1442256476;thestringpuller;but tbh the drivers on linux suck balls 1274070;1442256554;thestringpuller;trinque: based on current canon bizarro-land is also known as canada or as clark tells jimmy "Tell him is Bizzarro-America" 1274071;1442256565;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1274072;1442257010;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOhlb_t0QbQ << interesting interview with Putin; as an American I found it an interesting peek into the mind of the man 1274073;1442257011;assbot;Answer to a question at St Petersburg International Economic Forum session - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiwQzZ ) 1274074;1442257018;trinque;bit old, but didn't find in logs 1274075;1442257351;trinque;good questions in particular about china 1274076;1442257578;trinque;and Charlie Rose well represents the assumption that the rest of the world should see themselves as subject to the USA 1274077;1442258080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125100 @ 0.00075655 = 94.6444 BTC [+] {5} 1274078;1442258185;BingoBoingo; need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. << Cleanroom is the easy part. Staff and actually packaging are far harder 1274079;1442258273;ascii_field;if easy - go, do. 1274080;1442258542;BingoBoingo;Easy comparatively, IF level of cleanroom isn't spec'd 1274081;1442258542;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1274082;1442258545;BingoBoingo;Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom. 1274083;1442258545;BingoBoingo;Much easier/cheaper than first person on staff 1274084;1442258637;ascii_field;BingoBoingo has never set foot in actual 'clean room' has he. 1274085;1442259094;thestringpuller;ascii_field: why not "steal" clean room 1274086;1442259101;ascii_field;go, steal. 1274087;1442259118;thestringpuller;i have...sort of... 1274088;1442259130;thestringpuller;well people i used to go to school with 1274089;1442259139;thestringpuller;they would use tools after hours without permission 1274090;1442259186;thestringpuller;don't think this counts tho does it? 1274091;1442259204;ascii_field;go and make equivalent of pentium 'after hours, without permission'. 1274092;1442259213;ascii_field;why wait. 1274093;1442259222;thestringpuller;maybe 6502 1274094;1442259230;thestringpuller;pentium may require first born 1274095;1442259231;ascii_field;go and sync blockchain on 6502. 1274096;1442259239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81905 @ 0.00077623 = 63.5771 BTC [+] {3} 1274097;1442259245;thestringpuller;ascii_field: challenge accepted 1274098;1442259273;ascii_field;if you can't verify a block in <10min GUARANTEED you don't have a computer. 1274099;1442259276;ascii_field;you have a desk ornament. 1274100;1442259307;thestringpuller;hey it'll be a fun experiment either way 1274101;1442259315;thestringpuller;always wanted to own a C64-like machine 1274102;1442259324;ascii_field;go buy a soviet z80. 1274103;1442259334;ascii_field;prolly more honest than anything that will ever come out of a usg foundry. 1274104;1442259386;thestringpuller;"they diddled are key generators!" 1274105;1442259389;thestringpuller;our* 1274106;1442259691;funkenstein_;thestringpuller, the only "entertainment support" you should need is four strings 1274107;1442260213;thestringpuller;!b 1 1274108;1442260214;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2PRZNAT.txt ) 1274109;1442260301;phf;anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both make the underlying uncompromi 1274110;1442260301;phf;sing position very clear. i'm perplexed by osika's stuborn and persistent refusal to understand that what he's proposing goes contrary to core tenants, rather then some minor aside that needs further clarification. 1274111;1442260325;ascii_field;tenets? 1274112;1442260344;phf;aye, yes 1274113;1442260351;ascii_field;but otherwise yes 1274114;1442260359;ascii_field;!s special pleading 1274115;1442260360;assbot;4 results for 'special pleading' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=special+pleading 1274116;1442260369;ascii_field;^ mircea_popescu had a good piece on it 1274117;1442260421;phf;!up ascii_field 1274118;1442260659;ascii_field;'nocrypto uses bits of C, similarly to other cryptographic libraries written in high-level languages. This was actually less of a performance concern, and more of a security one: for the low-level primitives which are tricky to implement and for which known, compact and widely used code already exists, the implementation is probably better reused. The major pitfall we hoped to avoid that way are side-channel attacks.' << 1274119;1442260660;ascii_field;mircea_popescu was right, you can instantly smell usg pheromone because it invariably forces the exact same retardation EVERY TIME 1274120;1442261174;phf;i'm not sure if this is special pleading, or a case of a stranger using the technology he doesn't understand to shoot own foot. in the future perhaps expect more "but i'm me i have a passport from obama" people 1274121;1442261923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00076706 = 60.7512 BTC [-] {3} 1274122;1442262563;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1274123;1442262569;deedbot-;[Qntra] Microsoft Preemptively Download Windows 10 On Machines - http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/ 1274124;1442262626;ascii_field;ugh 1274125;1442262634;ascii_field;'on machines' srsly ? 1274126;1442262638;ascii_field;vs on what, on camels ? 1274127;1442262642;ascii_field;imho worst title. 1274128;1442262830;ascii_field;unrelatedly, 1274129;1442262831;ascii_field;http://www.podval.org/~sds/ocaml-sucks.html 1274130;1442262832;assbot;OCaml Language Sucks ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMD9X ) 1274131;1442262931;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Would it really be accurate to describe the things as computers? 1274132;1442262948;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: describe as what they are, win7 and 8 boxen 1274133;1442262991;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/ 1274134;1442262992;assbot;Microsoft Preemptively Download Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMSBP ) 1274135;1442262997;BingoBoingo;^ fixed 1274136;1442263033;ascii_field;i'd fix the url 1274137;1442263036;ascii_field;but otherwise ok 1274138;1442263081;BingoBoingo;Changing urls is problematic 1274139;1442263197;phf;trinque: re lisp rps, you might want to look at cmucl's WIRE and REMOTE packages, https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/ipc.html. while you can send sexps over the wire and slime/swank do it by sending readable forms in netstring format, you start running into issues when you need to ipc opaque blobs, like lambdas, hashtables or clos instances. cmucl's ipc solves all those issues, unfortunately married to cmucl. i think it woul 1274140;1442263199;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1ic1JiP ) 1274141;1442263199;phf;d be an excellent exercise to make that code portable 1274142;1442263208;phf;*lisp rpc 1274143;1442264827;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1274144;1442265465;ascii_field;http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << did we ever do these here ? 1274145;1442265466;assbot;Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqPsI8 ) 1274146;1442265842;phf;i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks* 1274147;1442265989;ascii_field;the third half will write device drivers 1274148;1442266000;ascii_field;the fourth half - reverse-engineer hardware. 1274149;1442266102;phf;hardware we build from scratch, i'm assembling some reference material http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg 1274150;1442266104;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLyd2 ) 1274151;1442266136;ascii_field;phf: http://www.turborotfl.com/en/news/3497/How_to_make_a_AK-47_from_a_shovel << more relevant classic 1274152;1442266137;assbot;How to make a AK-47 from a shovel? - Turborotfl.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtCOD7 ) 1274153;1442266137;trinque;http://makezine.com/2009/07/23/a-homemade-toaster-built-from-scrat/ 1274154;1442266138;assbot;A homemade toaster ... built from scratch! | Make: DIY Projects, How-Tos, Electronics, Crafts and Ideas for Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLD0v ) 1274155;1442266186;gernika; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been. 1274156;1442266186;assbot;Logged on 13-09-2015 04:22:30; *: asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it. 1274157;1442266214;ascii_field;gernika: a good bit of his non-fictional writing was not yet published then. 1274158;1442266304;shinohai;http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/14/irs-were-too-corrupt-and-incompetent-to-handle-100-million-checks/ 1274159;1442266305;assbot;IRS: We're Too Corrupt And Incompetent To Handle $100 Million Checks | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQeRvL ) 1274160;1442266326;phf;ic fabrication lab из торопа. русская народная сказка. 1274161;1442266443;gernika;ascii_field: Ah. 1984 had been out for almost 10 years by that point. Perhaps it had not yet had an impact either. 1274162;1442266444;BingoBoingo;!up FullFlaps 1274163;1442266458;FullFlaps;ohai, and ty BingoBoingo, davout here 1274164;1442266473;BingoBoingo;Oh hai 1274165;1442266497;FullFlaps;just wanted to say you might be missing an 's' in your last qntra piece title 1274166;1442266498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00076278 = 22.8071 BTC [-] {3} 1274167;1442266511;FullFlaps;shouldn't it be 'Downloads'? 1274168;1442266564;ascii_field;gernika: that was the problem. the book helped to bury him. 1274169;1442266571;ascii_field;(it was not especially great, as a yarn) 1274170;1442266691;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1274171;1442266723;BingoBoingo;FullFlaps: fixed 1274172;1442266792;gernika;ascii_field: strange to hear - as my memory of my experience reading it sometime in junior high school was that of complete enthrallment. But then again - who is a 13 year old to judge? 1274173;1442266803;ascii_field;hey, same 1274174;1442266821;ascii_field;but i'm told it doesn't work on adults. 1274175;1442266955;deedbot-;[Qntra] Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay - http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/ 1274176;1442267216;mats;fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode 1274177;1442267251;ascii_field;mats: aha. these are also exposed in libgcrypt. 1274178;1442267567;BingoBoingo;!up gonz__ 1274179;1442267577;mats;yup 1274180;1442267854;kakobrekla;!unrate yang 1274181;1442267854;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d1917224ed91784c 1274182;1442267950;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.unrate.yang:39c68f6fef50658b128028501351d116e3f4d444ab695a34228709009fd46c1a 1274183;1442267950;assbot;Successfully unrated yang 1274184;1442268114;shinohai;O.o unrate ouch 1274185;1442268540;BingoBoingo;!up FullFlaps 1274186;1442268543;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1274187;1442268816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00076214 = 49.9202 BTC [-] {2} 1274188;1442269242;cazalla;http://voxday.blogspot.de/2015/09/more-social-justice-convergence-in.html top keks 1274189;1442269243;assbot;Vox Popoli: More social justice convergence in action ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQnHcV ) 1274190;1442269928;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274149 << tinkering up some shaped slag, I see! 1274191;1442269928;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 21:28:22; phf: hardware we build from scratch, i'm assembling some reference material http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg 1274192;1442271439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85550 @ 0.00076939 = 65.8213 BTC [+] {3} 1274193;1442271500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32204 @ 0.00076807 = 24.7349 BTC [-] 1274194;1442271509;BingoBoingo;https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-zyp_mSK78/VaSHDFsRiKI/AAAAAAAAMFk/G4icyO4IUL0/s1600/33a128e946e03599b968b40674097402bdc0501d74478c608fd03014a41d780d_1.jpg 1274195;1442271510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ir0FIA ) 1274196;1442272659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15505 @ 0.00077007 = 11.9399 BTC [+] 1274197;1442272798;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/14/0e4a199534bf62badd9a52f20e87e5e1.png 1274198;1442272801;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ickiDz ) 1274199;1442273371;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://goobsyplz.tumblr.com/post/31817898169/battlingperfection-whoever-made-this-picture << lawl, found 1274200;1442273372;assbot;9001% Natty ... ( http://bit.ly/1icl6by ) 1274201;1442273431;BingoBoingo;lol trinque I've never tried to find the source for msot of these screencaps 1274202;1442273452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00076807 = 34.0255 BTC [-] 1274203;1442273653;BingoBoingo;Also trinque Did the server thief ever turn the box on? 1274204;1442273667;trinque;neg 1274205;1442273750;trinque;given they left the spare drives, I doubt they even knew what it was 1274206;1442273758;trinque;"OH SHIT AN A/C UNIT!" 1274207;1442273940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56966 @ 0.00077007 = 43.8678 BTC [+] {3} 1274208;1442273978;BingoBoingo;lol, related http://epmonthly.com/article/severe-hyponatremic-encephalopathy-following-bowel-prep-for-colonoscopy/ 1274209;1442273979;assbot;Severe Hyponatremic Encephalopathy Following Bowel Prep For Colonoscopy - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKwtbs ) 1274210;1442274083;BingoBoingo;"A 79-year-old female presented to the emergency department (ED) from home with acute mental status changes over a period of one hour. Family reported this to be in the midst of bowel prep for a routine colonoscopy that was to take place the following day." 1274211;1442274180;BingoBoingo;http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123444290 1274212;1442274182;assbot;A-10s deploy to Romania for Operation Atlantic Resolve ... ( http://bit.ly/1icmmLY ) 1274213;1442274242;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/this-common-ed-medication-can-set-off-tsa-alarms/ 1274214;1442274245;assbot;This Common ED Medication Can Set Off TSA Alarms - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1icmrzb ) 1274215;1442274324;BingoBoingo;"Use a bag to travel that has never been to the hospital and carry proof that you are a physician." 1274216;1442274643;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap contract finally expired ? box is dead. 1274217;1442274643;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1274218;1442274672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00077012 = 8.3558 BTC [+] 1274219;1442275038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.00076896 = 68.8219 BTC [-] 1274220;1442275116;mats;;;halfreward 1274221;1442275117;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 14:48:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 45 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds. 1274222;1442275416;shinohai;Bitcoin Jesus comes down from heaven to spread the gospel to the darknet netizens https://redd.it/3kx2a 1274223;1442275418;assbot;reddit.com: page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1icnRcZ ) 1274224;1442275448;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3kx2ai/police_judges_and_other_law_enforcement_officers/ 1274225;1442275449;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1icnSxt ) 1274226;1442275526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32181 @ 0.00077012 = 24.7832 BTC [+] 1274227;1442276441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25689 @ 0.00077012 = 19.7836 BTC [+] 1274228;1442276731;trinque;shinohai: obama will surely pardon ulbricht after enough awareness is raised by these freedom fighters. 1274229;1442276796;shinohai;kek 1274230;1442276877;shinohai;Maybe if we get enough upvotes guise, the Judge will feel remorse and overturn the sentence! 1274231;1442276883;shinohai;WE THE PEOPLES! 1274232;1442276990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119842 @ 0.00076651 = 91.8601 BTC [-] {7} 1274233;1442277478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13709 @ 0.00077376 = 10.6075 BTC [+] 1274234;1442278149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62428 @ 0.00077851 = 48.6008 BTC [+] {4} 1274235;1442278759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15524 @ 0.00077886 = 12.091 BTC [+] {2} 1274236;1442278820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9776 @ 0.00077974 = 7.6227 BTC [+] {2} 1274237;1442279844;thestringpuller;the one day for me not to have amphoros 1274238;1442279897;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him 1274239;1442279928;thestringpuller;https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Omphalos << really wish I had a machine with that installed 1274240;1442280217;asciilifeform;snore, yet-another-linux-with-buncha-pentest-toolz-preinstalled. 1274241;1442280262;asciilifeform;his www has some good encyclopaedic material, though. 1274242;1442280306;asciilifeform;and i think i may have used some of his exam prep material! 1274243;1442280310;asciilifeform;back in the bad old days. 1274244;1442280479;thestringpuller;he used to be my weed dealer for a good number of years 1274245;1442280488;asciilifeform;l0l 1274246;1442280587;thestringpuller;eviljarred: we need to hang out a lot more 1274247;1442281074;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i take it back, the linked item is new to me and potentially interesting. 1274248;1442281199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00078027 = 27.9337 BTC [+] {5} 1274249;1442281244;trinque;liburine << lol 1274250;1442281321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00077628 = 21.1536 BTC [-] {3} 1274251;1442281338;trinque;sounds pretty useful 1274252;1442281340;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274238 "Freedom means a hardline anti-Apple stance. Fight the Disneyfication of computing!" <<< love this 1274253;1442281340;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 01:18:17; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him 1274254;1442281657;trinque;thestringpuller: why isn't this guy here? 1274255;1442281689;trinque;I'd have said I wanna smoke a blunt with him even if he didn't call his site "dankwiki" 1274256;1442282175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34254 @ 0.00077376 = 26.5044 BTC [-] 1274257;1442282197;thestringpuller;trinque: cause he's elusive as fuck. I'd have to track him down between his meth binges in New York. 1274258;1442282296;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273358 << because that's where they fill your rice bowl??? think, why did i go back to usa after conf3 ? 1274259;1442282296;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 00:59:09; mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back. 1274260;1442282419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00078096 = 24.7564 BTC [+] {3} 1274261;1442282968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41447 @ 0.00077125 = 31.966 BTC [-] {3} 1274262;1442283038;trinque;thestringpuller: with a little more meth in the WoT we might get that #b-a distro done! 1274263;1442284295;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 therealbitcoin www points out, correctly, that certain patches (e.g., asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.patch) are considered experimental; but asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch is pretty much mandatory - node will not sync without it, afaik. 1274264;1442284295;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1274265;1442284428;BingoBoingo;http://git.2f30.org/morpheus/plain/README 1274266;1442284429;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obv1eQ ) 1274267;1442284493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00076774 = 35.2393 BTC [-] {3} 1274268;1442284589;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, it was on 'suckless' 1274269;1442284615;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yeah, the proto-form of their "less unofficial" distro 1274270;1442284750;asciilifeform;it is not hard to make a musl-based linux; i have this working with rotor 1274271;1442284774;asciilifeform;the hard part is to make something that is a meaningful improvement in more than a strictly-hygienic sense 1274272;1442284785;asciilifeform;that is, something that will run a workstation. 1274273;1442284797;BingoBoingo;Aha 1274274;1442284813;asciilifeform;AND without increasing daily work 1,001x-fold 1274275;1442284835;asciilifeform;that is, on top of everything, it must contain something more or less equivalent to gentoo's 'portage'. 1274276;1442284841;asciilifeform;and correctly resolve dependencies 1274277;1442286169;trinque;shame that this "linux distro" work is expected to be free 1274278;1442286186;trinque;I'd pay a guy like the gentleman that used to package Slackware a reasonable fee per release 1274279;1442286202;trinque;I guess he still does, actually. 1274280;1442286283;trinque;perhaps you could do a bidding system whereby packages are bid into the next release 1274281;1442286312;trinque;heh, starts to look sort of like the blocksize thing and transaction fees 1274282;1442286695;trinque;you could sell options.. perhaps someone wants to know he can get his package into the 3rd quarter release when it comes around, but his release date might slip 1274283;1442286707;*;trinque dreams of market forces in computing again 1274284;1442287182;asciilifeform;trinque: problem is that people are discrete. 1274285;1442287299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6929 @ 0.00076756 = 5.3184 BTC [-] 1274286;1442287466;trinque;asciilifeform: meaning how do you price that guy's hour vs this guy's, or something else? 1274287;1442287512;asciilifeform;no 1274288;1442287529;asciilifeform;meaning that certain things can only be done effectively by folks who spend all or most of their time on them. 1274289;1442287552;trinque;how else do you get someone to spend all their time on something than paying them? 1274290;1442287557;asciilifeform;you pay. 1274291;1442287591;trinque;I would agree it makes little sense to "maintain" a package for only a short duration contract 1274292;1442287603;trinque;would take a longer interval of pondering to dream up a contract that'd work 1274293;1442287649;asciilifeform;trinque: what are the actual economics you have in mind ? 1274294;1442287658;asciilifeform;whereby this would be something other than a charity 1274295;1442287665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00076756 = 6.4828 BTC [-] 1274296;1442287683;trinque;that a company exists which sells contracts to maintain packages on a certain distro 1274297;1442287697;trinque;there's some market within which to purchase and trade this company's time 1274298;1442287713;asciilifeform;where does the money in this market come from ? 1274299;1442287724;asciilifeform;let's work a small example 1274300;1442287746;asciilifeform;how much, in whatever currency, would trinque personally contribute to this scheme ? 1274301;1442287760;trinque;lets say for nginx; I would pay 1k/yr 1274302;1442287772;asciilifeform;for what, pertaining to nginx ? 1274303;1442287791;asciilifeform;just the fact of it continuing to build ? 1274304;1442287806;trinque;building it against libressl on #b-a linux and expedient building and backporting of fixes 1274305;1442287813;trinque;or whatever the conditions may be 1274306;1442287841;asciilifeform;fixes as published where ? 1274307;1442287854;asciilifeform;this presumably includes somehow meaningfully vetting the published patches ? 1274308;1442287885;asciilifeform;because ~this~ is reasonably a $k or more ~per~, at quite threadbare american market rates 1274309;1442287904;asciilifeform;everyone wants the moon and the sun, but no one wants to pay for the,. 1274310;1442287904;asciilifeform;m 1274311;1442287929;trinque;could start with maintenance of the "ebuild" and nothing further; it really depends on the revenue 1274312;1442287943;asciilifeform;what does 'maintenance of the ebuild' entail ? 1274313;1442287949;trinque;and I don't see this working for a vast number of packages 1274314;1442287975;trinque;asciilifeform: funneling upstream's work into released packages on #b-a linux 1274315;1442287981;asciilifeform;see above 1274316;1442287983;trinque;does this require a musl patch? does this ... 1274317;1442287987;asciilifeform;if this is done blindly, it will be a disaster 1274318;1442287996;asciilifeform;if it is done intelligently, it is easily $2-3K PER PATCH 1274319;1442288314;trinque;if that's the cost, a contract to do the work would have to reflect it 1274320;1442288329;asciilifeform;aha 1274321;1442288340;trinque;and then if nobody buys it, doesn't get done 1274322;1442288342;asciilifeform;the point i was trying to make, 1274323;1442288347;asciilifeform;is that software is a lemon market. 1274324;1442288360;asciilifeform;and that the things people turn out to be, in practice, actually willing to spend, 1274325;1442288366;asciilifeform;barely buy a turd from the sidewalk. 1274326;1442288441;trinque;yes, though I do continue to wonder how it'd do with an actual *market* 1274327;1442288450;trinque;can't compare the cost of edible food with the turd 1274328;1442288510;trinque;anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment 1274329;1442288556;asciilifeform;i'm sure that some idiot kid will eventually take your money. 1274330;1442288561;asciilifeform;if 'someone' is all you need. 1274331;1442288570;trinque;haha! well I know how to write a contract 1274332;1442288576;trinque;and I don't pay kids up front 1274333;1442288609;trinque;maybe anton_osika wants an honest way to earn back his 3 BTC, lol 1274334;1442288617;trinque;I kid 1274335;1442288791;trinque;one thing that clearly would not work is this sort of decentralized micro-payments bullshit I've heard proposed before 1274336;1442288815;trinque;"gittip" or things in ideological proximity 1274337;1442288853;trinque;because you're right, somebody doing a drive-by on nginx for a week is more harm than good 1274338;1442288879;trinque;but without a market we have no fucking clue what the cost of this work is 1274339;1442288889;trinque;rather, the price. 1274340;1442289739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00076617 = 31.2597 BTC [-] {2} 1274341;1442291508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00076228 = 24.6216 BTC [-] {2} 1274342;1442292240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17761 @ 0.00076267 = 13.5458 BTC [+] 1274343;1442293338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00076165 = 8.1497 BTC [-] {2} 1274344;1442294680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25449 @ 0.00076904 = 19.5713 BTC [+] 1274345;1442295107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.0007612 = 21.9226 BTC [-] 1274346;1442295778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4451 @ 0.00076904 = 3.423 BTC [+] 1274347;1442298706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00077294 = 27.3621 BTC [+] {3} 1274348;1442299194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00077381 = 25.381 BTC [+] {3} 1274349;1442299316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27339 @ 0.00076926 = 21.0308 BTC [-] 1274350;1442299682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00077704 = 42.3487 BTC [+] {4} 1274351;1442302549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43140 @ 0.0007751 = 33.4378 BTC [-] 1274352;1442302711;phf;pkgsrc is another option, besides ebuild. they have some equivalent of use flags. i used it to run a unix stack on mac os x (fvwm, firefox, x11 emacs, etc.) 1274353;1442302925;phf;a low hanging fruit that still satisfies ascii's requirements of 50000 package dependencies would be to build a linux substrate with a sane .config and userspace, which has all the necessary components to host pkgsrc 1274354;1442302976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17174 @ 0.00078009 = 13.3973 BTC [+] 1274355;1442305180;cazalla;http://www.rt.com/news/315363-north-korea-us-nuclear/ one can only wish 1274356;1442305181;assbot;N. Korea says ready to respond to US hostility 'with nuclear weapons anytime' — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6G7W4 ) 1274357;1442305479;cazalla;ya gonna have to get in the wot Vexual, no longer am i doing this pm and !up business 1274358;1442307173;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274328 <<< Can't wait to see this. 1274359;1442307173;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 03:41:50; trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment 1274360;1442307612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00078024 = 48.0628 BTC [+] {7} 1274361;1442307978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00077531 = 4.4193 BTC [-] 1274362;1442308053;shinohai;;;gettrust Vexual 1274363;1442308054;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never 1274364;1442308654;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJqbRPFVEAAXHEl.png 1274365;1442308655;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsvVTJ ) 1274366;1442308691;shinohai;Visual representation of how XT works? 1274367;1442310906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00077531 = 14.8472 BTC [-] 1274368;1442311333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.0007751 = 26.1984 BTC [-] {2} 1274369;1442311394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10728 @ 0.0007751 = 8.3153 BTC [-] {2} 1274370;1442311945;punkman;http://blog.cimation.com/blog/data-diodes-and-security-in-the-real-world 1274371;1442311947;assbot;Data Diodes and ICS Security in the Real World ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAyuDO ) 1274372;1442312187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33036 @ 0.00077033 = 25.4486 BTC [-] {3} 1274373;1442313041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076552 = 19.0614 BTC [-] {3} 1274374;1442313056;punkman;Reporter: I feel like I ruin the IT guy's day every time I have to ask for something. Editor: No, all his days are like that. 1274375;1442313203;punkman;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lve6ruv9C61qlmuluo1_1280.jpg 1274376;1442313205;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjQjjB ) 1274377;1442313269;shinohai;niiiiiiiiiiice 1274378;1442314444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.0007612 = 4.9859 BTC [-] 1274379;1442315359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45722 @ 0.0007612 = 34.8036 BTC [-] 1274380;1442316213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0007612 = 10.3143 BTC [-] 1274381;1442318958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00076227 = 46.1173 BTC [+] 1274382;1442322008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15875 @ 0.0007612 = 12.0841 BTC [-] 1274383;1442322644;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes, i ended it. 1274384;1442323286;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have <<< i'm like wtf, srsly ? /join #bitcoin-xt turns out there's one other guy there and williamdunne made the chan. lol. mkay. 1274385;1442323438;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273847 << cuz at the time it wasn't exactly clear how this'd work (as the contract is a future on a yet nonexistent pair) and cuz i wanted it to be a negotiable instrument rather than a specified thing, specifically because that sort of vague future deal requires some room to wiggle. 1274386;1442323438;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 16:23:57; thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe... 1274387;1442323552;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273849 << two nines! 1274388;1442323552;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 16:27:56; shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ 1274389;1442323643;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273852 << i wish you would have known, and called it here six months early. 1274390;1442323643;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 16:32:52; shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior. 1274391;1442323711;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273864 << that is a large part of it. nobody (but dead souls) was using it anyway. and so the absent reaction to the admission is, "Hey, they accepted it!11". 1274392;1442323711;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 16:55:40; ascii_field: (or, for that matter, ~before~) 1274393;1442323739;mircea_popescu;usg is roughly in the position of the guy lost on a deserted island, who comes out of the closet, toi the rocks and the palm trees. 1274394;1442323754;mircea_popescu;much to his surprise, the blowback is significantly less thgan what he had expected! 1274395;1442323795;mircea_popescu;[by virtue of nobody else being on that same island] apparently nobody wants to burn him at the stake! 1274396;1442323860;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273865 << at what point did i say easy ? i deal in musts. 1274397;1442323860;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 16:59:57; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273660 << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics. 1274398;1442323903;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha that came out great. in romanian must = pre wine (stum). 1274399;1442323915;mircea_popescu;so... im a wine merchant now! got my own mustarie. 1274400;1442324006;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273684 << right back atcha :) 1274401;1442324006;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 05:03:12; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה 1274402;1442324013;mircea_popescu; and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ? 1274403;1442324035;mircea_popescu;omaigawd jdifs stahp!!111 1274404;1442324071;pete_dushenski;it's just a bit of desert tribe scribblies, nothing to fear 1274405;1442324104;mircea_popescu;good lsnh ? 1274406;1442324126;pete_dushenski;l'shana tova : happy new year :) 1274407;1442324139;mircea_popescu;sooo... 1274408;1442324162;mircea_popescu;aspiring ben can't even speal! 1274409;1442324214;pete_dushenski;i dunno where the el apostrophe comes from, to be honest 1274410;1442324232;mircea_popescu;clearly ben needs some parts cut off. 1274411;1442324241;pete_dushenski;shana tova = 'a good year' to be more precise 1274412;1442324257;pete_dushenski;"L'shanah tovah tikatevu" means "May you be inscribed for a good year" 1274413;1442324271;mircea_popescu;prolly what happened 1274414;1442324272;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that's not my call 1274415;1442324285;pete_dushenski;the parts, that is 1274416;1442324314;mircea_popescu;do we even have an official b-a moyle ? 1274417;1442324326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0007612 = 8.4493 BTC [-] 1274418;1442324330;pete_dushenski;my whole city doesn't have one. 1274419;1442324337;pete_dushenski;~1mn peeps 1274420;1442324341;pete_dushenski;'peeps 1274421;1442324343;pete_dushenski;' 1274422;1442324345;mircea_popescu;yeah, the thing's going away. 1274423;1442324375;pete_dushenski;where to ? progress ? 1274424;1442324392;mircea_popescu;i dunno 1274425;1442324397;pete_dushenski;that's like saying kosher's going away 1274426;1442324455;pete_dushenski;i obviously care neither for moyle nor two sets of dishes, but plenty of people believe in childish fractals 1274427;1442324487;pete_dushenski;til : In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb. 1274428;1442324494;mircea_popescu;well yeah 1274429;1442324550;pete_dushenski;i was toiling under the impression that it was the 's' was the british spelling and 'c' the american 1274430;1442324555;pete_dushenski;which is only partially true 1274431;1442324568;pete_dushenski;americans will use 'c' for both noun and verb, brits differentiate 1274432;1442324591;mircea_popescu;aha. 1274433;1442324633;mircea_popescu;here is his practice where he practises medicine. 1274434;1442324651;pete_dushenski;precisement 1274435;1442324678;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273880 << quite very much this. 1274436;1442324678;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:01; ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti 1274437;1442324698;mircea_popescu;it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club. 1274438;1442324713;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9SWCvK5ag << vomit. twitchy. fast. ruineeed. 1274439;1442324714;assbot;StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void - Allied Commanders Preview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU2qrY ) 1274440;1442324715;mircea_popescu;not eating with the animals is a very important health practice 1274441;1442324759;mircea_popescu;the difference between "at mercy of parasites" and "reasonably healthy" is strictly predicated on "not commensal with beasts of the field" 1274442;1442324765;pete_dushenski;i knew that public health training was going to come in handy, but i didn't expect that it be on computers ! 1274443;1442324771;mircea_popescu;:) 1274444;1442324788;mircea_popescu;i dunno that anyone but anthropologists even conceptualize interspecies commensalism. 1274445;1442324829;pete_dushenski;prolly just them 1274446;1442324863;mircea_popescu;but there was a time, people and jackals ate the same three day old carcasses. 1274447;1442324915;mircea_popescu;there was a time, actually, botulism killed more people than disentery. 1274448;1442324924;mircea_popescu;that's a very advanced disease, comparatively. 1274449;1442324936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00076227 = 34.6071 BTC [+] 1274450;1442324997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00077072 = 23.7382 BTC [+] {4} 1274451;1442325032;pete_dushenski;well botulism isn't hard to acquire when you're stuffing umbilical cord stumps with dirt 1274452;1442325058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0007759 = 17.7293 BTC [+] {3} 1274453;1442325064;pete_dushenski;or feeding babies honey 1274454;1442325146;mircea_popescu;that latter especially. 1274455;1442325185;mircea_popescu;(unlike adults, infants do not have a means of protection and so the bacterium can inhabit their gut and poison them.) 1274456;1442325230;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274437 << if 'it does not need to serve any practical function', then mircea_popescu is in luck! i already have this system! it is even a lisp machine! >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 1274457;1442325230;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 13:44:58; mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club. 1274458;1442325233;assbot;Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3ZpG ) 1274459;1442325263;mircea_popescu;lol 1274460;1442325273;*;mircea_popescu wouldn't mind using that on a few skulls, so. progress! 1274461;1442325283;asciilifeform;aha, why do you think i wrote it 1274462;1442325304;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274402 << i rounded, of course. thing is, nobody makes this in ONE ips panel, if anyone did, i would own it. i have tiles. 1274463;1442325304;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 13:33:33; mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ? 1274464;1442325344;mircea_popescu;so you... DO use it ? 1274465;1442325357;asciilifeform;use what 1274466;1442325376;mircea_popescu;"unless it runs 10k x 5k i won't use it, except i do". 1274467;1442325381;asciilifeform;well it runs 1274468;1442325398;asciilifeform;just with years of non-replicable sweat behind it. 1274469;1442325436;mircea_popescu;aha. this, incidentally. it's fucking medieval, you know, for man to work a day and at the end of it to have less than a day's work to show for it. 1274470;1442325444;mircea_popescu;the fucking idea is to get POSITIVE leverage for crying out loud 1274471;1442325451;mircea_popescu;not leverage that delevers you. 1274472;1442325460;asciilifeform;entirely medieval. but no different from, say, studying mathematics. 1274473;1442325469;mircea_popescu;very different! 1274474;1442325473;asciilifeform;it isn't like you can spit it out in pill form for someone to swallow, after you learn it 1274475;1442325484;mircea_popescu;STUDY IS NOT WORK! 1274476;1442325485;asciilifeform;(a couplea days ago somebody just about asked for this) 1274477;1442325505;asciilifeform;but yes, medieval, plowing field with half an ox and bare hands, etc. 1274478;1442325516;mircea_popescu;the notion that "study is just another kind of work" belongs in the same burning pile with "paper is just another kind of money" 1274479;1442325546;mircea_popescu;study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP. 1274480;1442325548;asciilifeform;in a sense this was study, just not of a kind anyone would wish for. i.e. i could re-make the thing if it burned down. 1274481;1442325555;asciilifeform;(at somewhat astonishing expense) 1274482;1442325572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point of study isn't "memorize this list of bugs" 1274483;1442325579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote this 1274484;1442325585;mircea_popescu;NOYOUDIDNT :D 1274485;1442325605;*;mircea_popescu is being contradictory today. 1274486;1442325607;asciilifeform;l0lz 1274487;1442325610;mircea_popescu;yeah i know you wrote it, i read it! 1274488;1442325624;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274383 << guessed as much. 1274489;1442325624;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 13:10:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it. 1274490;1442325675;mircea_popescu;which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider 1274491;1442325680;mircea_popescu;perhaps to have the same conversation pre-xmas. 1274492;1442325686;asciilifeform;aha lol 1274493;1442325694;mircea_popescu;what am i to do. 1274494;1442325736;asciilifeform;i could get a colo box here but at ruinous cost. 1274495;1442325782;mircea_popescu;why would i contribute to us gdp ?! 1274496;1442325791;asciilifeform;this also. 1274497;1442325805;mircea_popescu;nah, no us, no china, no russia. let the non-idiots have a chance. 1274498;1442325816;asciilifeform;then again, wasn't mircea_popescu the sole remaining sponsor of 'bitpay' et al... ? 1274499;1442325836;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this leaves who? tanzania ? 1274500;1442325845;mircea_popescu;not the sole, but a significant one with very modest expense for the lolz. 1274501;1442325855;mircea_popescu;i'd love one in tanzania, sure. 1274502;1442325865;asciilifeform;in all seriousness, that would be spiffy 1274503;1442325869;mircea_popescu;yep. 1274504;1442325888;*;asciilifeform wonders whether nigeria might have one 1274505;1442325910;mircea_popescu;Princely Domain Hostings LLC INC 1274506;1442325920;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha 1274507;1442325932;asciilifeform;''So here are five perfectly good reasons why Trump would make one fine Prezz. But he needs a running mate. Now, wouldn't it be a fine thing to have a woman Vice-Prezz? It's been two election cycles since a spectacularly dumb bimboSarah Palincame within a few percentage points of the Vice-Prezzidency; maybe it's time to try again. And so I propose Kim Kardashian as Trump's running mate. Not Kim Kardashian herselfshe d 1274508;1442325932;asciilifeform;oesn't amount to muchbut, more specifically, her amazing ass. She has a stunning derrire that I am sure will make America feel proud again. Further, I propose that Trump marry her ass, and make a sort of national royal ass-family. She'd be the Vice-Prezz and the First Lady-Asskilling two birds with one ass, if you will! Yes, it would require another tweak to the marriage laws to make it possible for a man and a woman's 1274509;1442325932;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1274510;1442325933;asciilifeform; buttocks to join in holy matrimony. But the Supreme Court seems game for such tweaks, and, as an added benefit, when time comes for Mr. Trump to divorce (as it invariably has), the Pope would be only too happy to annul such a union.' 1274511;1442325938;mircea_popescu;(if i actually lived there and was doing a dc business, 100% what i'd call it.) 1274512;1442325939;asciilifeform;^ from the dept. of orl0lz 1274513;1442325946;asciilifeform;( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/09/trump-for-prezz.html ) 1274514;1442325948;assbot;ClubOrlov: Trump for Prezz ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU6GHU ) 1274515;1442325956;mircea_popescu;dude how is palin a bimbo. 1274516;1442325968;mircea_popescu;some word usage propriety, plox. 1274517;1442325992;asciilifeform;in usa that is more or less what the word means 1274518;1442326001;mircea_popescu;no it isn't. 1274519;1442326011;mircea_popescu;palin was a soccer mom, if you must. 1274520;1442326022;asciilifeform;before this, was a beauty contest contender, iirc 1274521;1442326032;mircea_popescu;that is STILL not a bimbo. 1274522;1442326048;*;asciilifeform puts on list to ask colleagues 'what is bimbo' 1274523;1442326052;mircea_popescu;except of course if one's the sort of sexually frustrated guy that lives on a boat with a broken down engine 1274524;1442326064;mircea_popescu;you ever saw married with children ? 1274525;1442326067;asciilifeform;nope 1274526;1442326072;mircea_popescu;christina applegate did the definitive bimbo. 1274527;1442326093;mircea_popescu;a) sexually interesting ; b) sexually active ; c) very stupid. to life-threatening levels. 1274528;1442326136;asciilifeform;hm. 1274529;1442326161;mircea_popescu;a bimbo is the sort of woman that will drop a hot cast iron pot on your foot sending you to hospital for six weeks because you offered her flowers. 1274530;1442326174;mircea_popescu;not some derpy mommy blogger from alaska 1274531;1442326209;asciilifeform;but she was not born 'mommy blogger', no? 1274532;1442326224;asciilifeform;much as a 70 y.o. whore is still a whore even in retirement 1274533;1442326228;asciilifeform;even if no clients? 1274534;1442326241;mircea_popescu;she can be, but it's not guaranteed. 1274535;1442326246;mircea_popescu;she can also be someone's mom. 1274536;1442326266;mircea_popescu;women change. that's the essence of womanhood. 1274537;1442326392;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-09-2015#1266930 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266933 <--> http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/ << lots of room for zoology eh ;/ 1274538;1442326392;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:15; mats: howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1. 1274539;1442326392;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:35; mats: not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes 1274540;1442326393;assbot;Microsoft Preemptively Downloads Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMSBP ) 1274541;1442326438;mircea_popescu;lol microsoft is mandatory. 1274542;1442326447;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: and you watched married with children ?? they showed this in romania ? 1274543;1442326456;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273883 << debian sarge was it. and possibly woody. 1274544;1442326456;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:56; ascii_field: debian was never it. 1274545;1442326457;pete_dushenski;i watched with dad growing up 1274546;1442326475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno. FUCK running other people's binaries. 1274547;1442326484;asciilifeform;if i wanted to eat pre-chewed food i know where to do. 1274548;1442326485;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski wouldn't go as far as watched, but it was immensely popular and i am culturally aware. 1274549;1442326497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was available in source@ 1274550;1442326506;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEzums6Iu3k << christina applegate bimbotronic 1274551;1442326507;assbot;Kelly Hotness Compilation (Christina Applegate) Married with Children - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU8QY4 ) 1274552;1442326507;asciilifeform;everything is 'available' in source 1274553;1442326519;mircea_popescu;mno. 1274554;1442326520;asciilifeform;i'm talking about source being THE supported package installation mechanism. 1274555;1442326526;pete_dushenski;bascially, turboslut 1274556;1442326527;mircea_popescu;it... was. 1274557;1442326547;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ah superneat. 1274558;1442326561;asciilifeform;yeah but 1) not exclusively or even very preferentially and 2) weird pre-debianized packages of src 1274559;1442326572;mircea_popescu;IT WAS 2005!!11 1274560;1442326580;mircea_popescu;what did you want them to do, github ?! 1274561;1442326581;asciilifeform;gentoo built on ~generic~ tar.gz plus patches. 1274562;1442326589;asciilifeform;sorta like us. 1274563;1442326595;mircea_popescu;at the time it looked like they might go somewhere with it. 1274564;1442326599;mircea_popescu;so benefit of doubt 1274565;1442326617;mircea_popescu;but read the fucking old ml, nobody goes "here, try this binary", it's always "add this, recompile, say what happens" 1274566;1442326636;asciilifeform;dev ml is always this 1274567;1442326638;asciilifeform;how else. 1274568;1442326640;mircea_popescu;heck, are the mls even still visible from this ever-so-useful www 1274569;1442326643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok so then ?! 1274570;1442326658;asciilifeform;it was a 'poor man's gentoo' yes 1274571;1442326664;asciilifeform;http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/half-uk-banknotes-used-to-fund-shadow-economy << mega-l0l 1274572;1442326665;assbot;Half of UK banknotes used to fund shadow economy | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9xRa ) 1274573;1442326668;mircea_popescu;no it wasn't. 1274574;1442326677;mircea_popescu;omg i'm not redoing decade old holy wars ffs. 1274575;1442326705;asciilifeform;http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger << s0mebody reads the logz, rips off deedbot 1274576;1442326707;assbot;Ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9HYM ) 1274577;1442326722;asciilifeform;(to no very constructive end) 1274578;1442326737;mircea_popescu;and forgets to mention where he got the idea. and OF COURSE to no very constructive end. 1274579;1442326741;*;mircea_popescu goes off to quote 1274580;1442326775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the day one of these ~mentions where he got the idea~ i will probably have to fly to the office on my pig. 1274581;1442326816;mircea_popescu;" I readily understand the vanity involved, nevertheless let me point out to you that it's actually to your detriment to attempt to separate yourself from the source of things you like. " 1274582;1442326839;mircea_popescu;somehow this point is very hard to grok for the DKs. 1274583;1442326860;mircea_popescu;finding el dorado and RUNNING OFF with a chunk of gold you found in the street is NOT how you get rich. 1274584;1442326868;mircea_popescu;it's how you make yourself poor against god's patent will. 1274585;1442326891;asciilifeform;the likely objective was 'keep the other louts from getting rich and cancelling mine' 1274586;1442326907;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's how you do it. 1274587;1442326924;mircea_popescu;italy found america first, never told anyone, was rich 1274588;1442326930;mircea_popescu;then portugal and spain, told, were poor. 1274589;1442326938;mircea_popescu;very italian logic, this, incidentally. 1274590;1442327203;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273901 << incidentally, you got those RE'd ? 1274591;1442327203;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:13:08; ascii_field: assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work 1274592;1442327214;asciilifeform;partially 1274593;1442327225;mircea_popescu;contrary to the more or less agreement seems to be (video) i suspect raid may be a worse tarpit. 1274594;1442327235;mircea_popescu;fucking byzantine insanity that field. 1274595;1442327239;asciilifeform;re on something like a raid or gpu is a very frustrating experience 1274596;1442327246;mircea_popescu;aha. 1274597;1442327254;asciilifeform;because 95%+ of the firmware consists of 'pokes' to set magic registers. 1274598;1442327256;mircea_popescu;but at least you're not asked to re ram 1274599;1442327266;asciilifeform;ram is deadly simple. 1274600;1442327268;pete_dushenski;"Last year I intended to transfer £760 from the Halifax to my Nationwide account. Unfortunately, I mistyped a digit of the account number and the money went to a stranger." << another anton 1274601;1442327273;asciilifeform;look at it under microscope some time 1274602;1442327288;asciilifeform;it isn't even secret in the usual sense 1274603;1442327292;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that never fucking happens. it's rank nonsense. 1274604;1442327299;asciilifeform;(data sheet will often tell you far more than you would ever wish to know) 1274605;1442327309;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: never happens in fiat ? 1274606;1442327353;mircea_popescu;in my entire busienss experience something of that description happened exactly once ; it was a customer of MY SAME BANK using the short form slips they have (not the full iban, just the acct #) and sent money to me instead of his intended recipient. the bank asked me if i am releasing it, which i did, and it was done the same day. 1274607;1442327370;pete_dushenski;maybe 'the guardian' just wants to inform more tards of their unpreparedness for crypto. not a bad service, i guess (tm) 1274608;1442327402;mircea_popescu;but as it is, the payment won't clear (ie, won't leave sending bank to go to receiving bank) unless the name and number match. 1274609;1442327413;mircea_popescu;(which is chiefly why they give you a slot to put an intended name in) 1274610;1442327430;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/mistype-digit-nationwide-lost-money << ref/ 1274611;1442327431;assbot;I have lost £760 by mistyping a single digit … and Nationwide won’t give it back | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUcFMH ) 1274612;1442327439;mircea_popescu;and whenever a new ditz was hired to do paperwork, and she fucked this up, the bank rep would call me to fix it. 1274613;1442327482;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is ~1k news ? 1274614;1442327484;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: makes complete sense 1274615;1442327499;mircea_popescu;dude the guardian is ever less attention worthy. 1274616;1442327502;pete_dushenski;sorry, no, the 'news' doth not, the form doth 1274617;1442327556;pete_dushenski;and $1k is news because it caters to the masses of improverished minds and souls 1274618;1442327567;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273904 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271095 ?! nigga, pleze. 1274619;1442327567;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:14:29; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'. 1274620;1442327567;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..." 1274621;1442327572;pete_dushenski;no information is provided, nor is not to be obtained by digging. 1274622;1442327582;pete_dushenski;the guardian is basically the pampers diaper website 1274623;1442327597;pete_dushenski;a vacuous noisehole devoid of meaning and value 1274624;1442327599;kakobrekla;>slot to put an intended name in < i can put a space in that field when in online bank as it should not be blank - and it works. i wonder if this would pass a bank worker. "no no, i did write empty spaces there" 1274625;1442327602;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~mathematica~. not the wiki maintained by wolfram's sex toy interns. 1274626;1442327630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is a proggy, that actually does most mathematical manipulations formally described in any book. 1274627;1442327637;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273906 ?<< ofcourseitis! that's why i even mention it. much like the "well, if we wanna change blocks, THESE things need to be looked at". if you want "formal systems", here you start. 1274628;1442327637;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:15:09; ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then. 1274629;1442327644;pete_dushenski;both of which (guardian+pamers) provide a panem et circenses effect. period. 1274630;1442327646;asciilifeform;sorta like 'derive' but elephantine. 1274631;1442327656;mircea_popescu;obviously the fact that the road is observably long and the first steps haven't been made is somewhat concerning 1274632;1442327665;mircea_popescu;but it is concerning asto the sanity of the would be "travellers" 1274633;1442327671;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274406 <<< שָׁנָה טוֹבָה וּמְתוּקָה pete_dushenski 1274634;1442327671;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 13:35:26; pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :) 1274635;1442327674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah okay. 1274636;1442327710;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol you can leave it blank, i occasionalyl did, but you really shouldn't. 1274637;1442327710;pete_dushenski;shinohai: cheers mate :) 1274638;1442327726;mircea_popescu;because odds are you'll go back to the clerk to fix it for you and he'll be... WELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT USE THE SAFEGUARD 1274639;1442327767;mircea_popescu;(in practice he'll warn you this makes it a bearer instrument. which is not technically correct, but conveys the point.) 1274640;1442327864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00076614 = 14.2502 BTC [-] 1274641;1442327889;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: plz no more links to 'the guardian', i'm begging you. you post something, i start digging, and i end up woefully riled up at the rampant and despotic idiocy of that once fair island 1274642;1442327908;pete_dushenski;same as 'bater' chick 1274643;1442327916;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski but YOU linked it ?! 1274644;1442327941;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274571 << but HE STARTED IT!!1 1274645;1442327941;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:17:44; asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/half-uk-banknotes-used-to-fund-shadow-economy << mega-l0l 1274646;1442327960;mircea_popescu;oic. 1274647;1442327988;pete_dushenski;of course, asciilifeform can link what he wants 1274648;1442328014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273916 << in fairness this was before his script. 1274649;1442328014;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:18:08; ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not. 1274650;1442328027;pete_dushenski;this is perhaps a personal and public castigation of myself, and a reminder to future me not to click on the clickbait! 1274651;1442328030;mircea_popescu;or w/e it is. trinque where does the recipe or whatever it is live ? link ? 1274652;1442328062;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i used to follow the "press" links in here. now i mostly ignore them. shit's unreadable. 1274653;1442328071;pete_dushenski;but i'm off into the meat. later gang! 1274654;1442328124;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273925 << quite. 1274655;1442328124;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:20:33; ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk. 1274656;1442328149;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273927 << that's basically alf's argument. 1274657;1442328149;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:22:28; kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons) 1274658;1442328464;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273971 << i lolled. 1274659;1442328464;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:06; ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux. 1274660;1442328489;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ? 1274661;1442328489;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:47; ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!! 1274662;1442328533;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273980 << like eulora needs more noob players. the thing is... very +EV to play as a noob. 1274663;1442328533;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:46:37; thestringpuller: need more cult members 1274664;1442328676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274025 << this somehow seems problematic to me. 1274665;1442328676;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 18:01:16; ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip. 1274666;1442328687;mircea_popescu;in the following sense : 1274667;1442328725;mircea_popescu;it's true that organic complex systems take a number of tries to arrive at a result. but that sort of failure rate is not seen in nature - woman doesn't abort 10 for every one it carries to term. aborts less than half. 1274668;1442328752;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in engineering people obviously went from building bridges that sometimes stood up to building bridges that almost always stay up. 1274669;1442328775;mircea_popescu;however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity. 1274670;1442328792;mircea_popescu;yet somehow the proposition is that "usg" has a sort of control over an activity which generally fails. 1274671;1442328802;mircea_popescu;this is not possible in nature. 1274672;1442328818;mircea_popescu;so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie. 1274673;1442328820;kakobrekla;> building bridges that almost always stay up. < this is due to chinafication. need it as cheap and as fast as possible, other parameters irrelevant. 1274674;1442328836;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 1274675;1442328853;mircea_popescu;was thinking more of stuff like tay bridge 1274676;1442328871;mircea_popescu;(china wasn't invented yet, but yes, cheap fast nevermind school of engineering) 1274677;1442328874;mircea_popescu;CFE! 1274678;1442328883;mircea_popescu;uh. i mean. CFN engineering. 1274679;1442328956;kakobrekla;at least thats what i get from my contacts in the bezzle. 1274680;1442329150;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet. 1274681;1442329150;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 18:09:08; ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair. 1274682;1442329209;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274048 << perhaps these people also don't understand how p2p works. 1274683;1442329209;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 18:14:25; ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. 1274684;1442329222;mircea_popescu;yes, you will download Derpy Adventures 17 whether you intend to watch it or not! 1274685;1442329386;shinohai;"My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop." 1274686;1442329851;funkenstein_;ls 1274687;1442329956;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274479 <-- "scholastes", apparently meant "leisure", that's the story on the street anyway my Greek not good enough 1274688;1442329956;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 13:59:06; mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP. 1274689;1442330006;funkenstein_;I speak physics however: play is work. Energy expended = force * distance = work. 1274690;1442330055;mircea_popescu; Energy expended = force * distance = lucru mecanic. not just work - "mechanical work", aka, that fiction. 1274691;1442330060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38566 @ 0.00077711 = 29.97 BTC [+] {3} 1274692;1442330128;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274082 << discover the shitty walpaint drops off particles, try and fix it, discover it's not so easily fixed and your walls are porous, reconstruct your room out of sheet aluminum, etc. 1274693;1442330128;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 19:22:25; BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom. 1274694;1442330158;mircea_popescu;a mini-cleanroom is to be made in your yard out of shipping containers. 1274695;1442330260;mircea_popescu;lol that entire convo was entertaining. "they snuck in the clean room and made out!!1" 1274696;1442330415;mircea_popescu;anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. 1274697;1442330649;BingoBoingo; anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. << Any other pursuit that fits the space and makes messes. 1274698;1442330670;BingoBoingo;But I guess shipping container would be much cheaper 1274699;1442330673;mircea_popescu;you never make a mess in a clean room 1274700;1442330680;mircea_popescu;heck you can't even take a notebook in there. 1274701;1442330882;BingoBoingo;Of course so long as you want it to stay a clean room, but eventually gotta end the cleanroom some way. 1274702;1442330910;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274109 << ironically, the "jefferson"/jewish sabbatical/etc arguments re debts neatly reduce to a "the people are too stupid to be allowed to take real debt". 1274703;1442330910;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 19:51:41; phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both 1274704;1442330935;mircea_popescu;which, considering it goes with the rest of the "people are too stupid to own real guns, real computers, etc" trend 1274705;1442330961;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period. 1274706;1442330978;mircea_popescu;and then one needn't explain why interest rates are 20-50% pa for some schmucks, and yet "0.0%" for thje fed. 1274707;1442331003;mircea_popescu;this connection between one interest and another interest is most embarassing to the usg, in the way it keeps exposing the hush hush inflation problem. 1274708;1442331036;mircea_popescu;(inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.) 1274709;1442331498;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274146 << see, if naggum had the fucking sense to stick around... 1274710;1442331498;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 21:24:02; phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks* 1274711;1442331510;mircea_popescu;if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it. 1274712;1442331726;mircea_popescu;http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg << fuck yeah. 1274713;1442331728;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLyd2 ) 1274714;1442331751;mircea_popescu;he cheats with the chicken wire tho 1274715;1442331947;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274155 the internet popularity of 1984 (itself a byproduct of the wachowksi brothers being insane) accounts entirely for his being a thing. 1274716;1442331947;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 21:29:46; gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been. 1274717;1442331983;mircea_popescu;(for the record the book isn't very good, but hey. pulp fiction._ 1274718;1442332392;funkenstein_;On the literature tip, /me wonders if any RU speakers have tried Звенящие кедры России 1274719;1442332411;funkenstein_;aka Анастасия 1274720;1442332638;gernika;He must have been *something* of a thing to have been assigned reading pre-internet. Also there was the well known MacIntosh commercial. I must admit to being completely unaware of his internet cachet. 1274721;1442332805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00076134 = 88.087 BTC [-] {5} 1274722;1442332959;gernika;I probably just liked it because of the sex. 1274723;1442333350;mircea_popescu;in preference over what, henry miller ? 1274724;1442333387;gernika;Girl gave me henry miller 4 years later :( 1274725;1442333408;mircea_popescu;kinda how that works. like herpes. 1274726;1442333422;gernika;lol 1274727;1442333468;mircea_popescu;incidentally, heh, the days ridley scott was directing jobs' signle shot ad campaigns. 1274728;1442333496;mircea_popescu;i maintain that apple's exactly ONLY know how was "how to get roi on advertising". 1274729;1442333509;mircea_popescu;that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech. 1274730;1442333593;mircea_popescu;(the chick in that ad, btw, Anya Major, is probably best known to the audience as the russki chick in elton john's stupid nikita thing) 1274731;1442334179;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3 1274732;1442334294;lobbes;^^ nifty! wd trinque 1274733;1442334961;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1274734;1442335093;lobbes;!up analmaster 1274735;1442335102;ascii_field;analmaster ! 1274736;1442335103;analmaster;ahoy 1274737;1442335123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2915 @ 0.00076036 = 2.2164 BTC [-] 1274738;1442335136;analmaster;https://github.com/JonDoNym/peinjector 1274739;1442335137;assbot;JonDoNym/peinjector · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1iMBRe2 ) 1274740;1442335145;analmaster;oh nevermind i thought that said penis injector 1274741;1442335182;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274660 << my cpu doesn't either 1274742;1442335182;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:48:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ? 1274743;1442335244;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274672 << if only! the real trouble is that many things in engineering are not actually amenable to accurate simulation. 1274744;1442335244;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:53:38; mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie. 1274745;1442335257;ascii_field;see the old chemical sim discussion for some of the reasons why 1274746;1442335380;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274669 << see old thread where i compared chipmaking to satellite launch. they are very similar activities, in having unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. 1274747;1442335380;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:52:55; mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity. 1274748;1442335394;ascii_field;plus ruinous expense. 1274749;1442335615;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274708 << they don't forget - how could they, living in their mother's houses. but they do, afaik, see it as something like a natural disaster, rather than malfeasance 1274750;1442335615;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 15:30:36; mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.) 1274751;1442335699;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274711 << naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. 1274752;1442335699;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 15:38:30; mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it. 1274753;1442336008;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274729 << you can say this until you turn blue, but they ARE THE ONLY REMAINING UNIX WORKSTATION VENDOR 1274754;1442336008;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 16:11:49; mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech. 1274755;1442336024;ascii_field;yes, some of us know how to make unix workstation out of dirt 1274756;1442336034;ascii_field;like that fella who knows how to make a working kalash from a shovel 1274757;1442336036;ascii_field;(see log) 1274758;1442336041;ascii_field;but this is neither here nor there 1274759;1442336084;ascii_field;at one point there was hp, sgi, sun, buncha others now forgotten (sony NEWS ! yes) but today it's apple. 1274760;1442336087;ascii_field;and that's it. 1274761;1442336357;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski 1274762;1442336357;gribble;(later tell ) -- Tells the next time is in seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. 1274763;1442336377;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/live/2015/sep/15/jarryd-hayne-san-francisco-49ers-debut-against-minnesota-vikings#block-55f79179e4b0dd400d532de1 1274764;1442336378;assbot;Jarryd Hayne's debut as seen in Australia: a fumble, flags and breaks – as it happened | Sport | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN3EF ) 1274765;1442336378;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1274766;1442336505;BingoBoingo;"Kaepernick goes wide. And theres another break. Everyone has a drink. My, there are some breaks. More breaks than Alcatraz." 1274767;1442336547;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: what does 'go wide' mean ? 1274768;1442336581;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Move laterally on the field away from the central disputed territory so that you might catch the pass away from defenders 1274769;1442336620;ascii_field;what is the name for the opposite move ? 1274770;1442336644;BingoBoingo;Go Deep 1274771;1442336676;BingoBoingo;Or Rush down the center (done while carrying a ball handed to you) 1274772;1442336774;BingoBoingo;At least half the time thrown footballs don't get caught anyways 1274773;1442336777;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1274774;1442336818;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274680 << if 5k usd could make a working and USEFUL ic, i think we would each here have one, and would be arguing over their merits, posting from them ! 1274775;1442336818;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:59:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet. 1274776;1442336898;ascii_field;as it is, you gotta understand that yields are nowhere near 100% and especially not in a discount factory primarily used by students graded on a curve. 1274777;1442336903;ascii_field;(who do you think goes there) 1274778;1442336920;ascii_field;and that is assuming a FLAWLESS design 1274779;1442336939;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b4 1274780;1442337014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00076036 = 11.8616 BTC [-] 1274781;1442337089;BingoBoingo;!up analmaster 1274782;1442337094;mircea_popescu;http://pjmedia.com/blog/fcc-commissioner-free-content-might-violate-agencys-internet-conduct-standard/ << for the lulz 1274783;1442337096;assbot;FCC Commissioner: Free Content Might Violate 'Conduct Standard’ | PJ Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1isZmJb ) 1274784;1442337146;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217729 1274785;1442337146;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 12:58:47; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << where we are headed. 1274786;1442337184;ascii_field;gotta love the spin, 'free content illegal' 1274787;1442337195;ascii_field;whereas just as factually it is 'charge for some bytes but not others' 1274788;1442337217;BingoBoingo;The more I play with TI-92 the more I wish it was still more of a "desktop" calculator with keyboard, mouse, and montior 1274789;1442337227;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: easy to get 1274790;1442337236;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: download the rom (see logs) and run the emulator. 1274791;1442337237;*;BingoBoingo wonders if TI-92 ROM can be made to boot on old Macintosh 1274792;1442337241;ascii_field;runs fine on a 486 1274793;1442337260;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: it will not boot a mac. not only entirely different peripherals, but slightly differing cpu 1274794;1442337276;ascii_field;but it will run beautifully on emulator. of which there are at least a dozen. 1274795;1442337286;ascii_field;even for some phones 1274796;1442337289;*;BingoBoingo actually wondering if a "coldfire" board can be used to make such a machine 1274797;1442337307;ascii_field;again, not entirely same cpu 1274798;1442337313;ascii_field;closest thing is probably 'amiga' 1274799;1442337319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00076036 = 28.2094 BTC [-] 1274800;1442337331;BingoBoingo;I've got a lot of wondering to do 1274801;1442337367;BingoBoingo;But not interested in computer that runs calculator software so much as calculator that scales up to computer. 1274802;1442337426;mircea_popescu;http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << great article btw. 1274803;1442337427;assbot;Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqPsI8 ) 1274804;1442337448;mircea_popescu;in the "all leaks are catastrophic leaks" school of cryptoplumbing 1274805;1442337450;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha 1274806;1442337455;ascii_field;i linked it for a reason. 1274807;1442337524;mircea_popescu; unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. << there is no such thing. 1274808;1442337531;mircea_popescu;all that says is "bad engineering". no exceptions. 1274809;1442337550;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? 1274810;1442337561;ascii_field;collect the remaining riches of the world. 1274811;1442337571;mircea_popescu; naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. << not unlike saying you have si in your fridge. there's bottles there, very similar "mix of atoms". 1274812;1442337575;mircea_popescu;the structure is what matters. 1274813;1442337579;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? << ANd biology isn't relevant to Bitcoin? 1274814;1442337596;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: biology is terrible example here 1274815;1442337608;ascii_field;where of 10,000 seeds, one grows, etc. 1274816;1442337612;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't need to lay an egg to tell you this one's rotten. 1274817;1442337620;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Nah, you gotta understand when Intel goes bust USG will have monsanto to fab chips 1274818;1442337636;mircea_popescu;also, no plant known has a 1 in 10k germination rate. 1274819;1442337641;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: intel will go bust shortly after the mongols water their horses in the potomac 1274820;1442337685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21324 @ 0.00076905 = 16.3992 BTC [+] {3} 1274821;1442337717;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: true. but si fab is not 1 in 10k either. 1274822;1442337725;ascii_field;(imagine if it were!) 1274823;1442337739;mircea_popescu; [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 << whoa that's some decent bang for a buck. ty internets. 1274824;1442337795;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ << I'm hoping the lesser Paul gets to break out for this one 1274825;1442337796;assbot;BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 17 hours 23 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU ) 1274826;1442337823;BingoBoingo;But would still need to improve over his last round with another minute and a half 1274827;1442337938;mircea_popescu;FCC Commissioner Ajit Varadaraj Pai 1274828;1442337943;mircea_popescu;srsly, the us is indian now ? 1274829;1442337954;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they make great bureaucrats, aha 1274830;1442337955;BingoBoingo;The Brahmins incresingly are 1274831;1442337964;mircea_popescu;they do make great bureaucrats. 1274832;1442337972;mircea_popescu;of a failed state. 1274833;1442337991;BingoBoingo;Few homeless or poor indians in 'Murica 1274834;1442338005;BingoBoingo;Median income of $106,000 roughly 1274835;1442338016;ascii_field;the poor ones are physics ph.d. 1274836;1442338031;mircea_popescu;"And that simply raises the question, how far will this Internet content standard go? What kinds of business practices that innovative new competitors might want to introduce might be frowned upon by the FCC? << superlulzy, because the behaviour discussed is deeply un-innovative. in fact, it's strictly monopoly milking. 1274837;1442338035;gernika; A mobile phone company I worked at recently was fully indianized. 1274838;1442338058;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there is nothing a telco does which is ~not~ in some way monopoly-milking 1274839;1442338071;mircea_popescu;funny how every two bit scammer/fraudster/rent seeker is quick to misrepresent himself as "innovative" "competitor" "entrepreneur" and whatnot. 1274840;1442338076;gernika;And fully not profitable. 1274841;1442338087;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: from edison's time, even. 1274842;1442338092;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well yeah. being that the state had to get involved into it. 1274843;1442338093;ascii_field;he set the mega-example for others to follow. 1274844;1442338367;mircea_popescu;Starting in 2016, the IRS will no longer accept checks for $100 million or more because the equipment at the Federal Reserve Bank that processes checks cant handle checks for more than 8 digits. Checks larger than that have to be processed manually by hand, which, according to internal memos obtained by the Associated Press, could increase the risk of theft, fraud and errors. 1274845;1442338369;mircea_popescu;win. 1274846;1442338446;mircea_popescu;according to new research by Gavin & Mike, in 2020 that number will reduce to 4 digits, and then continue to halve every few years! 1274847;1442338478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18076 @ 0.00077357 = 13.9831 BTC [+] 1274848;1442338514;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274176 1274849;1442338514;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 21:46:56; mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode 1274850;1442338518;mircea_popescu;word. 1274851;1442338539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1324 @ 0.00076036 = 1.0067 BTC [-] {2} 1274852;1442338635;*;williamdunne sends check to federal reserve for $214,748,364.78 1274853;1442338650;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/ <<< ahahaah what in the ever loving fuck! so the us has been derping for four years, on printed money. this guy finally got his accounts (HIS!!) back in july and now he can't have an extensionb because... THE CASE IS TOO COMPLEX ?! 1274854;1442338651;assbot;Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkS149 ) 1274855;1442338675;mircea_popescu;just fucking burn it down already. there's absolutely no reason to continue the charade. "law abiding" = terrorist. 1274856;1442338676;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1274857;1442338684;mircea_popescu;it's the people burning shit down that are the true law abiding folk. 1274858;1442338720;gernika;Was there ever a check on nonsense rulings like this and recent Supreme Court decisions? 1274859;1442338731;mircea_popescu;this is NZ 1274860;1442338782;mircea_popescu;anyway. grounds for mistrial. 1274861;1442339110;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1274862;1442339126;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's a straight usg colony 1274863;1442339132;ascii_field;what 'mistrial' 1274864;1442339154;ascii_field;it'll be grounds for expedited shipment to gitmo 1274865;1442339157;ascii_field;if hitler wills it. 1274866;1442339180;mircea_popescu;i dun think anyone asked that guy anything. 1274867;1442339307;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274705 << this will work great once mortgages are somehow iphonized (everybody rents, straight from usg dept. of housing, or somesuch) 1274868;1442339307;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 15:29:21; mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period. 1274869;1442339337;mircea_popescu;kinda weird they missed the great 2008 opportunity for that, was expecting more lively action on that. 1274870;1442339353;ascii_field;gotta collect the schmuck salaries back 1274871;1442339356;ascii_field;or turkey shortages. 1274872;1442339388;ascii_field;debt (of the idiot credit card kind! not even houses/cars/tuition) is ~the~ collector 1274873;1442339463;mircea_popescu;"Then, the patient gradually became more alert with an increased ability to follow commands over the next evening and was at baseline 38 hours after presenting to the hospital. The patient did have significant associated morbidities including 3 thoracic spine compression fractures, a comminuted humeral head fracture likely secondary to seizures and requiring arthroplasty, and multiple rib fractures secondary to CPR. Sh 1274874;1442339463;mircea_popescu;e was discharged home on hospital day 3 with a sodium level of 133 mmol/L and baseline mental status." 1274875;1442339465;mircea_popescu;that poor woman. 1274876;1442339484;mircea_popescu;"we broke her ribs and other things, but hey, she responds to commands now" 1274877;1442339504;BingoBoingo;And all for a laxative 1274878;1442339510;BingoBoingo;ANd poor instructions 1274879;1442339549;mircea_popescu;and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy. 1274880;1442339555;mircea_popescu;i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. 1274881;1442339562;mircea_popescu;why exactly ? fuck all that shit. 1274882;1442339609;ascii_field;https://www.calyxinstitute.org/news/federal-court-invalidates-11-year-old-fbi-gag-order-national-security-letter-recipient-nicholas << mega-l0l 1274883;1442339611;assbot;Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUcF0 ) 1274884;1442339620;ascii_field;'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.' 1274885;1442339665;mircea_popescu;hey, at least they admit the nsl was there before 2001. 1274886;1442339672;mircea_popescu;i don't recall seeing that before. 1274887;1442339673;ascii_field;'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”' 1274888;1442339676;BingoBoingo; i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye. 1274889;1442339677;shinohai;https://theintercept.com/2015/09/15/fbi-keeps-telling-purely-theoretical-encryption-horror-stories/ 1274890;1442339679;assbot;FBI Keeps Telling Purely Theoretical Encryption Horror Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUgEI ) 1274891;1442339843;kakobrekla;>The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet? 1274892;1442339914;mircea_popescu;body seems positive enough 1274893;1442339927;kakobrekla;:) 1274894;1442339990;mircea_popescu;lol 1274895;1442340016;mircea_popescu;"Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale, he said." 1274896;1442340019;mircea_popescu;the fucking cheeky bastard. 1274897;1442340036;mircea_popescu;listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions 1274898;1442340078;mircea_popescu;nobody cares what some anon goat fucker thinks on any topic. on your knees, answer humbly and move on. 1274899;1442340089;mircea_popescu;you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking. 1274900;1442340092;ascii_field;what army, exactly, will put him on his knees ? 1274901;1442340096;mircea_popescu;(you're ugly, she wasn't.) 1274902;1442340113;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the 1st ghandi rifles ? 1274903;1442340127;ascii_field;l0l! 1274904;1442340176;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/7iGch3c.jpg <<< ascii_field loading storage for phuctor 1274905;1442340177;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpMwYQ ) 1274906;1442340203;mircea_popescu;"Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well 1274907;1442340228;mircea_popescu;(lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.) 1274908;1442340278;mircea_popescu;anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over. 1274909;1442340320;ascii_field;they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc) 1274910;1442340374;ascii_field;a parallel-constructed nsa tap is just another 'anonymous tip' to these folks. 1274911;1442340381;mircea_popescu;"how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ? 1274912;1442340393;gernika;stackoverflow 1274913;1442340404;ascii_field;iirc the story changed more than once. 1274914;1442340434;mircea_popescu;was preeeeetty ridoinculous. 1274915;1442340440;ascii_field;aha 1274916;1442340466;ascii_field;my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~. 1274917;1442340467;mircea_popescu;and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate. 1274918;1442340475;mircea_popescu;it is so burdened. 1274919;1442340491;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274908 <<< invite sent. She even has a key already. 1274920;1442340491;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 18:04:38; mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over. 1274921;1442340493;ascii_field;by whom? the 1st gandi rifle division ? 1274922;1442340499;mircea_popescu;by me. 1274923;1442340968;punkman;guy posted silkroad ads on bitcointalk and his personal email http://antilop.cc/sr/img/bitcointalk_altoid_post_archive_11_27_2011.png 1274924;1442340970;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpOoRc ) 1274925;1442341088;mircea_popescu;iirc that was discovered months after. 1274926;1442341100;mircea_popescu;but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy 1274927;1442341107;mircea_popescu;the interesting question was, how. 1274928;1442341108;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1274929;1442341112;ascii_field;^ 1274930;1442341121;ascii_field;usg moves dates as it pleases, yes. 1274931;1442341128;punkman;well he made way too many mistakes too count 1274932;1442341136;mircea_popescu;punkman this is besides the point. 1274933;1442341143;mircea_popescu;which exact mistakes, and how, was the question. 1274934;1442341156;punkman;we'll never know that of course 1274935;1442341165;mircea_popescu;then we can't have rule of law, can we. 1274936;1442341175;mircea_popescu;these two points are inseparable. 1274937;1442341206;ascii_field;as if it were ever not a scam 1274938;1442341211;ascii_field;since, hell, hammurabi 1274939;1442341257;mircea_popescu;there's nothing in it that requires it be a scam. 1274940;1442341285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00040884 = 14.3707 BTC [+] 1274941;1442341467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00076006 = 20.3407 BTC [-] {2} 1274942;1442341610;thestringpuller;ascii_field: nah that was was this guy << http://qntra.net/2015/03/boost-vc-embraces-child-founded-start-up/ 1274943;1442342200;thestringpuller;https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 << more mega lulz 1274944;1442342931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19086 @ 0.00076579 = 14.6159 BTC [+] {3} 1274945;1442342945;punkman;"Life is short, sell your 0days" << good slogan for exploit-ebay 1274946;1442342992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00075915 = 12.4501 BTC [-] 1274947;1442343001;asciilifeform;!up anton_osika 1274948;1442343029;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1274949;1442343040;ascii_field;punkman: i don't think this is actually possible. see log. 1274950;1442343106;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148642 << in particular. 1274951;1442343106;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole? 1274952;1442343294;*;williamdunne sees no reason why most people would need to directly touch a blockchain 1274953;1442343325;ascii_field;williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits 1274954;1442343351;ascii_field;(you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...) 1274955;1442343357;williamdunne;ascii_field: Eh, was just reading; 19:36:41 - thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 […] 1274956;1442343358;assbot;Scaling Bitcoin — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9cpzP ) 1274957;1442343365;williamdunne;But yah 1274958;1442343419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00075885 = 11.3828 BTC [-] 1274959;1442343534;mod6;ascii_field: see if this one makes any sense: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1274960;1442343535;assbot;Untitled graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1274961;1442343557;ascii_field;mod6: any way to make this vertical ? 1274962;1442343575;ascii_field;it also needs strict level separation 1274963;1442343579;ascii_field;that is, 1274964;1442343589;ascii_field;genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it; 1274965;1442343597;ascii_field;the next level of descent, one notch above it; 1274966;1442343603;ascii_field;and so on, until the modern day. 1274967;1442343610;mod6;ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe? 1274968;1442343612;ascii_field;like genealogical tree. 1274969;1442343645;ascii_field;but this picture is a very good start. 1274970;1442343649;ascii_field;nice work mod6 1274971;1442343654;mod6;ty 1274972;1442343662;mats;is it a scam if you sell a commodity for 1/10 of what its worth, knowing you could not move it for market value anyway? 1274973;1442343686;ascii_field;mats: it is a double-headed scam 1274974;1442343699;ascii_field;mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale 1274975;1442343704;ascii_field;or even a certain time before 1274976;1442343707;mod6;as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is. 1274977;1442343709;ascii_field;to third parties. 1274978;1442343725;mats;sure, its highly asymmetrical, all parties involved know this 1274979;1442343744;ascii_field;mats: and yes, i have something that i know is worth $10M but since i don't have blue blood i can only get a hundy for it, i would MUCH prefer to burn it. 1274980;1442343756;ascii_field;because FUCK blue bloods. 1274981;1442343793;ascii_field;and i am certainly ~NOT~ risking gasenwagen to get that hundy. 1274982;1442343797;mats;more like 20k instead of 10mn. 1274983;1442343804;ascii_field;fuck'em. 1274984;1442343817;ascii_field;and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now. 1274985;1442343825;mats;20k in buttcoins, mate 1274986;1442343831;ascii_field;where? 1274987;1442343852;mats;someone who isn't me. 1274988;1442343860;ascii_field;mats: and who brokers the deal? god? 1274989;1442343873;mats;a fella you own, of course 1274990;1442343874;ascii_field;what is my assurance that i see the coin 1274991;1442343895;ascii_field;and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods 1274992;1442343898;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1KH2JJC 1274993;1442343899;assbot;dpaste: 1KH2JJC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdWvg7 ) 1274994;1442343899;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1274995;1442343907;mats;none at all. isn't it exciting? 1274996;1442343908;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1KH2JJC.txt 1274997;1442343909;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdWybN ) 1274998;1442343909;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1274999;1442343916;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^ 1275000;1442343920;ascii_field;mats: go, be excited. 1275001;1442343922;ascii_field;i'll pass. 1275002;1442343951;mats;when i'm in a different jurisdiction, yes, will be exciting 1275003;1442343968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00075899 = 9.0047 BTC [+] 1275004;1442343982;gernika;mircea_popescu just recieved exact same email 1275005;1442343992;gernika;I'm all in 1275006;1442343995;mircea_popescu;and did it call you "gernika" ? 1275007;1442344001;ascii_field;mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ? 1275008;1442344008;ascii_field;cashing 1275009;1442344012;ascii_field;0days. 1275010;1442344046;mats;i don't have any 0days. 1275011;1442344050;gernika;Nope. 1275012;1442344072;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com Coindesk 1275013;1442344073;gribble;Introducing the qntra on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the ... - Trilema: ; Blogging is a muscle and other observations on Trilema - A blog by (1 more message) 1275014;1442344105;mats;i know a broker with buyers, however... 1275015;1442344134;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^ << http://trilema.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/ 1275016;1442344135;assbot;The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9f9Nm ) 1275017;1442344142;mircea_popescu;ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ? 1275018;1442344147;deedbot-;[Trilema] Come see what "positive", "affirmative" etc mean! - http://trilema.com/2015/come-see-what-positive-affirmative-etc-mean/ 1275019;1442344159;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ? 1275020;1442344169;mircea_popescu;why does it have to be public ? 1275021;1442344172;mircea_popescu;wot doesn't require this. 1275022;1442344178;ascii_field;wot requires public, yes 1275023;1442344182;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam 1275024;1442344182;ascii_field;selling 0days requires privacy 1275025;1442344184;mircea_popescu;in your understanding, maybe. 1275026;1442344186;ascii_field;at least if you don't have an army. 1275027;1442344200;ascii_field;otherwise i would have to include the cost of an army in my price 1275028;1442344204;ascii_field;and who will buy then 1275029;1442344212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.000777 = 15.54 BTC [+] {3} 1275030;1442344271;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them 1275031;1442344276;mircea_popescu;and never is otherwise. 1275032;1442344281;shinohai;"Si te sientes guapa" <<< LOL that's all it takes .... 1275033;1442344320;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up 1275034;1442344332;mircea_popescu;ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ? 1275035;1442344356;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ..? 1275036;1442344360;mircea_popescu;makes sense BingoBoingo 1275037;1442344369;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what part of wot requires any deal be public! 1275038;1442344407;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news. 1275039;1442344418;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1275040;1442344422;ascii_field;let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly' 1275041;1442344429;mircea_popescu;so ? 1275042;1442344487;ascii_field;so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ? 1275043;1442344488;mircea_popescu;for all you know it can literally say "i don't trust him". 1275044;1442344502;ascii_field;so now we have 'you gotta associate your existing identity with selling 0days' 1275045;1442344505;mircea_popescu;because i said so ? 1275046;1442344506;ascii_field;------> gasenwagen. 1275047;1442344510;mircea_popescu;we have no such thing. 1275048;1442344522;mircea_popescu;see, you jump over the uncomfortable fractures. 1275049;1442344527;ascii_field;humour me, say i want to sell an 0day today. 1275050;1442344534;ascii_field;i create a new key for this purpose 1275051;1442344534;mircea_popescu;and by uncomfortable i mean, the places where yo ususpect the solution may lie. 1275052;1442344541;ascii_field;why would anyone trade with me ? 1275053;1442344543;mircea_popescu;a key for the purpose of a one off deal ? 1275054;1442344548;mircea_popescu;that is ipso definitio a scam. 1275055;1442344560;ascii_field;for the purpose of the entire thing 1275056;1442344566;ascii_field;say i have precisely 1 saleable 0day. 1275057;1442344569;mircea_popescu;suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot. 1275058;1442344575;mircea_popescu;ima rate it. because i fucking feel like it. 1275059;1442344582;ascii_field;ok, this works once. 1275060;1442344585;mircea_popescu;so there you go, it's started. 1275061;1442344585;ascii_field;maybe twice. 1275062;1442344592;mircea_popescu;yes it works once. how many times do you want it to work. 1275063;1442344596;ascii_field;will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ? 1275064;1442344598;ascii_field;i won't. 1275065;1442344608;mircea_popescu;wait. 10k what ? 1275066;1442344617;ascii_field;10,000 bozos take the coin & run 1275067;1442344623;mircea_popescu;... 1275068;1442344624;ascii_field;or renege in some other way. 1275069;1442344626;mircea_popescu;you're the seller or the buyer here ? 1275070;1442344643;ascii_field;in this example, i'm just an earthworm. watching. 1275071;1442344649;mircea_popescu;wouldja stop. 1275072;1442344655;mircea_popescu;are we discussing the buyer or the seller side here. 1275073;1442344665;ascii_field;in this case, seller. he gets shafted. 1275074;1442344680;mircea_popescu;stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it. 1275075;1442344694;ascii_field;which one ? 1275076;1442344726;mircea_popescu;seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal. 1275077;1442344734;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: understand, if i'm merely thick and you can describe a working mechanism, people ~will~ use... 1275078;1442344740;mircea_popescu;i just have. 1275079;1442344747;*;ascii_field thinks 1275080;1442344764;mircea_popescu;and if seller doesn't want to burn one, seller can just ask (PRIVATELY) friends to rate it. 1275081;1442344764;ascii_field;say i have ~exactly one~. 1275082;1442344767;mircea_popescu;which friends will do. 1275083;1442344767;mats;this is how i imagine it would work 1275084;1442344774;mircea_popescu;or at any rate, i will do. 1275085;1442344894;mircea_popescu;but the caveat being that if seller has exactly one, and no reason to suspect he will ever have more, this entire thing is a wot. aka, waste of time. 1275086;1442344896;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1275087;1442344908;mircea_popescu;and he should just play the good researcher and publish it. 1275088;1442344948;ascii_field;give the plutonium away for free to the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha. 1275089;1442344952;mircea_popescu;yep 1275090;1442344965;ascii_field;why bother digging it out of the ground to begin with ? 1275091;1442344968;mircea_popescu;it's provably the best usage, if you don't secrete it. 1275092;1442344982;mircea_popescu;mno. words have meanings. " no reason to suspect he will ever have more". 1275093;1442344997;mircea_popescu;this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a thing of work, which is a reason to suspect. 1275094;1442345024;ascii_field;i'm not speaking theoretically, either 1275095;1442345055;mircea_popescu;either he can make them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in the end it ends up being 0), and then he has a business being a seller. 1275096;1442345062;ascii_field;it is entirely possible to find a potential exploit in the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit takes sweat. 1275097;1442345071;ascii_field;mats will understand what i speak of here. 1275098;1442345074;mircea_popescu;or else he can not make them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make. 1275099;1442345080;mircea_popescu;which is why "inheritors" are fundamentally poor. 1275100;1442345096;mircea_popescu;then the afid needs an ant. 1275101;1442345106;ascii_field;i think it is necessary to put on magic glasses, which i don't have, to see 'poor inheritors' 1275102;1442345108;mircea_popescu;as he's only half a person 1275103;1442345117;ascii_field;because afaik most of the serious money is in the hands of inheritors even now. 1275104;1442345130;mircea_popescu;ascii_field watch butterfield 8. 1275105;1442345143;*;ascii_field puts on list 1275106;1442345148;mircea_popescu;not only a gorgeous 20something liz taylor, but also 1275107;1442345230;ascii_field;also saud et al will beg to differ that 'you cannot sell what you do not make' 1275108;1442345241;mircea_popescu;apparently the web doesn't have the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn to either of us." 1275109;1442345256;mircea_popescu;ascii_field they can beg all they want, it's adequate to them. 1275110;1442345263;mircea_popescu;what you can not make you can only give away. never sell. 1275111;1442345275;ascii_field;so what, saudi golden toilet is leaden somehow ? 1275112;1442345278;ascii_field;how does this work ? 1275113;1442345320;mircea_popescu;it's a metaphysical point! 1275114;1442345345;ascii_field;hence my note re: magic glasses. 1275115;1442345359;ascii_field;because on the planet where i live, the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors 1275116;1442345369;mircea_popescu;ie, they find 0 days ? 1275117;1442345377;ascii_field;the geological equivalent 1275118;1442345382;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1275119;1442345510;mircea_popescu;anyway. this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you therefore must publish" thing is exactly because that's how one learns. 1275120;1442345523;mircea_popescu;for as long as you don't have a method to make them laugh, you're not to epxect to be paid for your "Comedian services". 1275121;1442345530;ascii_field;saudi brass spend a million usd like i spend a dollar in a coke machine. and i know this through degree-1 meatwot. 1275122;1442345534;mircea_popescu;you're to tell your jokes freely as much as possible, so as to learn how it works. 1275123;1442345534;ascii_field;not through legend. 1275124;1442345540;mircea_popescu;earning money at it come,s later. 1275125;1442345570;mircea_popescu;ascii_field are you in a position to negrate this "degree-1" "meatwot" ? 1275126;1442345586;ascii_field;meatwot is not a proper wot 1275127;1442345592;mircea_popescu;so then don't mix improperly. 1275128;1442345602;mircea_popescu;for that matter, i spent a million like you spend a dollar in a coke machine. 1275129;1442345610;ascii_field;e.g., ever day ? 1275130;1442345618;mircea_popescu;and coke was "degree-1" involved, iirc buffett still owns lots of it. 1275131;1442345632;mircea_popescu;shit, you actually do that every day ?! IT'S BAD FOR YOU 1275132;1442345634;mircea_popescu;:D 1275133;1442345646;ascii_field;not these days. 1275134;1442345666;mircea_popescu;just saying, expenditure's not the measure of the world. but anyway. 1275135;1442345666;ascii_field;but there was a time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni. 1275136;1442345688;ascii_field;was trying to point out that the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money. 1275137;1442345736;ascii_field;and access to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as they can be produced. 1275138;1442345861;ascii_field;re: meatwot, all i meant was that i personally know a fella, who i trust to describe what he saw, who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' 1275139;1442345920;thestringpuller;re: meatwot, don't think one exist since memory if fallible 1275140;1442345961;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits, there are also opsec considerations. 1275141;1442345995;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from the overall flavour of the items, for hitler to ferret out whom to shoot. 1275142;1442346028;ascii_field;(as may have been the case with 'snowden-2', though these were not exploits in the sense meant in this thread) 1275143;1442346046;thestringpuller;i still don't think a meatwot can exist 1275144;1442346055;thestringpuller;otherwise drug dealers wouldn't actively snitch on each other 1275145;1442346067;ascii_field;thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing the term to refer to meatspace business circles 1275146;1442346097;mats;what exactly precludes a meatwot from existence? 1275147;1442346107;mats;i'm not following 1275148;1442346144;thestringpuller;mats: in my perspective it seems the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks than one enforced with the principle governing gpg contracts 1275149;1442346164;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274490 sory, i'll pass on, looks like it's not a priority at all for these people i wanted to do it together with 1275150;1442346164;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider 1275151;1442346165;ascii_field;thestringpuller: how? 1275152;1442346189;mats;canonical meatwot should involve gpg. 1275153;1442346205;mats;otherwise it'd be meatfacebook 1275154;1442346219;ascii_field;mats: how often do your friends get physically replaced with impostors ? 1275155;1442346223;ascii_field;without you noticing. 1275156;1442346234;mats;hasn't happened yet 1275157;1442346235;thestringpuller;ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i trust this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather than something digitally recorded 1275158;1442346262;thestringpuller;and cryptographically provable 1275159;1442346276;ascii_field;thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people that your memory cannot fit them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot. 1275160;1442346286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00077718 = 34.2348 BTC [+] {3} 1275161;1442346286;thestringpuller;sure if six niggas is like "Yo i saw this nigga do some hood shit at my buddy moes" 1275162;1442346301;thestringpuller;then you know that event likley occurred 1275163;1442346318;thestringpuller;but it seems far more flimsy than a crypto record 1275164;1442346375;thestringpuller;ascii_field: and it's not just my memory. it's whether memory of even occurred and is easily verifiable 1275165;1442346673;thestringpuller;!up anton_osika 1275166;1442346694;ascii_field;;;later tell mod6 a more readable graph could omit genesis node. 1275167;1442346694;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1275168;1442346710;anton_osika;thx thestringpuller. 1275169;1442346719;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I re read the contract you wrote 1275170;1442346720;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1275171;1442346771;anton_osika;I have proof of being the long party as specified 1275172;1442346776;anton_osika;http://pastebin.com/dzmkyRvj 1275173;1442346777;assbot;Letter to Mircea Popescu - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdEIna ) 1275174;1442346894;ascii_field;'The verification relies on the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have to call it that: Kraken.com. The statement states what identity made the transaction to your account.' << this is a problem. 1275175;1442346921;anton_osika;asciilifeform: Depends on what the contract is saying. 1275176;1442346956;ascii_field;anyway it is not ~my~ problem. 1275177;1442346960;anton_osika;Such a thing is not a problem in any serious contract that I would write in a business situation. 1275178;1442346982;ascii_field;but i know enough to say that it will be a problem here. 1275179;1442346996;anton_osika;Either you actively distrust Kraken.com and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of the contract as well as possible. 1275180;1442347006;mod6;well, can't get the directional thing correct unless I use graphviz :/ http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.png 1275181;1442347008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBvVkZ ) 1275182;1442347010;ascii_field;nobody gets trusted for showing up. 1275183;1442347028;ascii_field;mod6: this is beautiful and ought to be on the www. 1275184;1442347040;ascii_field;see if you can make the patch names clickable links 1275185;1442347041;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however. 1275186;1442347048;shinohai;asciilifeform: If you have time later, would appreciate assistance with the key issue you brought to my attention last week. 1275187;1442347052;anton_osika;By the people who understand the situation. 1275188;1442347062;ascii_field;shinohai: didn't somebody walk out with your key ? 1275189;1442347065;ben_vulpes;rather nice, mod6 1275190;1442347065;mod6;<+ascii_field> see if you can make the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do. thx. 1275191;1442347079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26136 @ 0.0007652 = 19.9993 BTC [-] 1275192;1442347097;shinohai;ascii_field: no one walked out with it, just wasn't self-signed? Was using old email. 1275193;1442347111;ascii_field;aha 1275194;1442347149;punkman;shinohai: your master key hadn't signed the subkeys? how does that happen? 1275195;1442347167;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275185 << who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy to teh arab wastage. 1275221;1442348108;mircea_popescu; otherwise it'd be meatfacebook << lol. it's either pgp or meat, baby. 1275222;1442348164;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I re-read the contract, and the system of trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts. 1275223;1442348178;mircea_popescu;ahahah kraken.com wut ?! 1275224;1442348216;anton_osika;There is a Kraken PGP key here that a lot of people that hold their trust (even in forms of assets) dearly to it . Those people would forever lose some of the trust for you. 1275225;1442348236;mircea_popescu;o wow check it out, he actually managed the level enforcement. nice stuff mod6 ! 1275226;1442348238;anton_osika;^the magic of digital trust. 1275227;1442348264;mircea_popescu; By the people who understand the situation. << by the who ? 1275228;1442348272;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha - isn't it beautiful? it looks exactly like the graph in my head when i wrote 'v' 1275229;1442348277;mircea_popescu;dun tell me there's some dudes right over the horizon ganging together to beat me up ? 1275230;1442348284;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks :] 1275231;1442348287;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah. it's wunderbar. 1275232;1442348288;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I am sorry. 1275233;1442348299;mircea_popescu;mod6 didja do some hand-helping in there ? 1275234;1442348300;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: I tried to prevent a situation like this... 1275235;1442348304;shinohai;But the contract wasn't between kraken was it? 1275236;1442348307;mircea_popescu;because the thing shows some very promising AI in arranging the boxes. 1275237;1442348322;mircea_popescu;lol wait you tried to what ?! 1275238;1442348338;anton_osika;hehe 1275239;1442348349;mircea_popescu;dude he could be a us secretary or something this guy. incredible how the same verbiage flows from the same circumstances. 1275240;1442348359;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc it is based on 'energy minimization' << as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222064 1275241;1442348359;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 16:00:48; asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract 1275242;1442348360;mircea_popescu;almost against one's will, as it were. 1275243;1442348383;mod6;only one part that could be automated i think; just dumped out the graphviz config to file, and then tweeked the `rankdir' to 'BT' for (bottom=>top) by hand. then just gotta run dot to generate the image. 1275244;1442348388;anton_osika;Seriously mircea_popescu. You wrote the contract - it has a cause and you have got the invoice paid. 1275245;1442348408;mircea_popescu;see ascii_field ye olde "bitcoin perverts nsa" thing ? cuts both ways. finding oneself in the sort of situation the usg finds itself ALSO perverts. 1275246;1442348423;mircea_popescu;anton_osika what's "egoistic interpretations of contracts." ? 1275247;1442348446;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha! recall how you once observed that it is astonishing that i, in particular, manage to think about anything at all ? 1275248;1442348458;mircea_popescu;mod6 does it actually attempt to minimize line length ? ascii_field you realise this is a complete problem yes ? 1275249;1442348467;mod6;so this can be automated, but some cleanup required. im just read that you can make clickable links -- gonna give it a shot. 1275250;1442348488;mod6;mircea_popescu: it might. im not exactly sure how graphviz does its magic. 1275251;1442348499;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: np-complete does not mean unsolvable ! just means that not solvable efficiently if the data set is at all large 1275252;1442348512;mircea_popescu;ah i thought it was something you brewed. somehow i thought graphviz won't do it. 1275253;1442348513;ascii_field;or rather, not that, either. but in bean counter terms 1275254;1442348524;mircea_popescu;aha. 1275255;1442348540;ascii_field;but in point of fact, this is a very favourable data set for plotting 1275256;1442348547;mircea_popescu;we are contemplating rather large datasets. but yes, so far. 1275257;1442348553;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1275258;1442348555;ascii_field;only forward flow, for example 1275259;1442348562;mircea_popescu;ah yes that helps 1275260;1442348562;mod6;yeah, i re-wrote v in perl, and it does all the traversing etc, then i build the graph with recursion and the Graph::Easy mod. 1275261;1442348580;mircea_popescu;"time only flows one way because god got fucking sick of debugging bidirectional graphs" 1275262;1442348581;ascii_field;graph::easy has the killer feature of ascii output! 1275263;1442348585;ascii_field;the only such lib i was able to find 1275264;1442348595;ascii_field;almost considered rewriting in perl myself, just to use it 1275265;1442348601;mircea_popescu;o.O 1275266;1442348610;mod6;that's why i initially liked it too! but alas, if you can't grow TB or BT, then it gets hairy at 80 cols. 1275267;1442348633;mod6;there might be a way to do this still, just might be a bit deeper than i'ev looked so far. 1275268;1442348634;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: as in http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt 1275269;1442348635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VT455b ) 1275270;1442348676;shinohai;Please send 0.05 BTC to 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 if you want voice from me anton_osika 1275271;1442348695;mircea_popescu;lmao 1275272;1442348697;mircea_popescu;!up anton_osika 1275273;1442348709;anton_osika;Thank you. 1275274;1442348709;mircea_popescu;srsly, try to be interesting anton_osika ppl are getting sick of it. 1275275;1442348714;anton_osika; mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this? 1275276;1442348739;mircea_popescu;i dun have an address to pay to. 1275277;1442348753;mircea_popescu;(for all you know, i already paid, for that matter.) 1275278;1442348759;anton_osika;http://pastebin.com/qsGhC04z 1275279;1442348759;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Payment of future delivery c - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdK2Hg ) 1275280;1442348769;anton_osika;Thank you for taking it into account. 1275281;1442348798;anton_osika;You are in the position of having a very big impact on my view on how to act in this world. 1275282;1442348824;mircea_popescu;why do you think this is exceptional in your case ? 1275283;1442348832;mats;party A's rating of B has no value if both A and B are not in my L1 1275284;1442348841;anton_osika;it is not exceptional. it is about interpreting contracts constructively or egoistically. 1275285;1442348865;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/4moMYPc.jpg <<< Assets 1275286;1442348866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdKq8s ) 1275287;1442348868;anton_osika;I kind of take it that you are quite constructive seeing what you create... 1275288;1442348930;mircea_popescu;shinohai how the hell did she get that butt with the antiwalker device! 1275289;1442348948;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it takes tremendous athleticism to actually ride that thing 1275290;1442348958;shinohai;Lots of beans and corn tortillas is my guess. 1275291;1442348959;mircea_popescu;of the butt huh. 1275292;1442348967;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807681 << see also. 1275293;1442348967;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this. 1275294;1442348978;*;mircea_popescu is starting to think about this seriously. get the girls unicicle rides 1275295;1442349007;ascii_field;top-heavy folks don't do well on unicycle 1275296;1442349016;ascii_field;the roller board thing is easier. 1275297;1442349041;ascii_field;http://www.eonline.com/news/696014/these-leaked-ashley-madison-passwords-are-hilarious-in-a-depressing-kind-of-way << l0l 1275298;1442349042;assbot;These Leaked Ashley Madison Passwords Are Hilarious...in a Depressing Kind of Way | E! Online France ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdKULL ) 1275299;1442349092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8272 @ 0.00076416 = 6.3211 BTC [-] 1275300;1442349136;mats;http://musicforprogramming.net 1275301;1442349137;assbot;musicForProgramming(); ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdL7yE ) 1275302;1442349137;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Is there anything that would make you pay the invoice? 1275303;1442349164;mircea_popescu;a properly signed request would go a long way. 1275304;1442349166;shinohai;Well anton_osika threats didn't work ... 1275305;1442349208;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this? 1275306;1442349237;mircea_popescu;how do you know i've not paid it ? 1275307;1442349242;anton_osika;<3 1275308;1442349328;anton_osika;I would be honoured by a letter stating so. 1275309;1442349336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00076166 = 13.4814 BTC [-] 1275310;1442349359;mircea_popescu;mkay. a second. 1275311;1442349457;anton_osika;If you have time to add it, also stating when you might be visiting Sweden teaching a physics student things about life he would not learn otherwise. 1275312;1442349508;mircea_popescu;anton_osika http://dpaste.com/1X3NP04 1275313;1442349510;assbot;dpaste: 1X3NP04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdMflY ) 1275314;1442349514;anton_osika;aka. what one learns talking to these people here.. 1275315;1442349564;kakobrekla;lol. 1275316;1442349568;anton_osika;;;ident mircea_popescu 1275317;1442349568;gribble;Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified. 1275318;1442349601;funkenstein_;Will the real anton_osika please stand up, please stand up, please stand up. 1275319;1442349609;shinohai;mircea_popescu: you were right about the isis theory: http://www.dw.com/en/german-police-arrest-alleged-is-recruiter-wanted-by-spain/a-18630827 1275320;1442349609;assbot;German police arrest alleged IS recruiter wanted by Spain | News | DW.COM | 05.08.2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdMAVN ) 1275321;1442349610;anton_osika;yo 1275322;1442349646;mircea_popescu;shinohai aha. 1275323;1442349647;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: that song was about slim shady not being a real person btw. 1275324;1442349746;funkenstein_;yeah well I never saw his public key :P 1275325;1442349763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21672 @ 0.00076143 = 16.5017 BTC [-] {2} 1275326;1442349785;anton_osika;;;help 1275327;1442349785;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ 1275328;1442349808;shinohai;;;later tell davout btcjam kinda touchy aren't they? 1275329;1442349808;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1275330;1442349821;mircea_popescu;"Website Screenshots provider, Snapito, was acquired by ShrinkTheWeb" 1275331;1442349830;mircea_popescu;dat gdp. 1275332;1442349850;anton_osika;!facts 1275333;1442349853;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: http://genius.com/18406/Eminem-the-real-slim-shady/And-every-single-person-is-a-slim-shady-lurking 1275334;1442349853;mircea_popescu;im sure this is a "transaction" and tax is assessed and some bean counter counts beans under "us industry" 1275335;1442349946;mircea_popescu;wow did disney actually make a "two lesbians" movie with the gypsy chick and a snow-white knockoff in which the male lead is this evil dude with "burn for your witchcraft" ? 1275336;1442349952;funkenstein_;"fuck it, let's all stand up" thanks thestringpuller, I never had grokked it fully 1275337;1442350000;thestringpuller;"turn off your electronics on the plane" 1275338;1442350002;thestringpuller;lol 1275339;1442350009;thestringpuller;everyone has their phone out 1275340;1442350047;funkenstein_;wait, lesbians? I'm gonna go watch a Disney movie now for the first time in like forever. 1275341;1442350144;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: yea, as mircea_popescu once said. "A lot to be learned on the street" 1275342;1442350251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00075835 = 10.0102 BTC [-] {2} 1275343;1442350551;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1275344;1442350575;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside 1275345;1442350576;assbot;West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside' | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdPGcq ) 1275346;1442350637;ascii_field;mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis. 1275347;1442350659;ascii_field;OPENLY espoused by brzezinski. 1275348;1442350714;mats;I dunno that the west can control this chaos 1275349;1442350728;mats;overplayed this one 1275350;1442350732;ascii_field;mats: i will agree when there are isis patrols in washington. 1275351;1442350753;ascii_field;and as i stand in the impalement queue, yes, i might agree 1275352;1442350775;ascii_field;but the degree of control usg actually wants or needs is minimal. 1275353;1442350786;ascii_field;does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ? 1275354;1442351016;mats;yes, in the sense that arsonist doesn't set fire to all routes of own escape 1275355;1442351063;ascii_field;again, i'm not seeing any beheadings out my window. 1275356;1442351239;mats;isis doesn't need to destroy usg to survive 1275357;1442351267;ascii_field;then in what sense is it a failure of controlled chaos doctrine ? 1275358;1442351308;mats;their wealth, influence, and manpower is transnational, transcontinental, requires no fuel from usg to exist 1275359;1442351317;ascii_field;'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru 1275360;1442351320;ascii_field;and it works. 1275361;1442351334;shinohai;http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks_pie_chart.php hue 1275362;1442351335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdSbeF ) 1275363;1442351354;mats;how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no? 1275364;1442351360;ascii_field;no. 1275365;1442351369;ascii_field;how the fuck did you get the idea that it was ?! 1275366;1442351370;BingoBoingo;Not on all of its southern borders 1275367;1442351387;BingoBoingo;Also Cossacks 1275368;1442351409;phf;russia is all white men wearing fur hats 1275369;1442351429;mats;I frankly don't see how muslims are a problem for moscow. 1275370;1442351472;ascii_field;mats: http://galstonok.rusedu.net/gallery/3100/Moskovskoe_knyazhestvo_v_XIV_v..gif << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300. 1275371;1442351473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdSEgT ) 1275372;1442351476;mats;ru has no problem dispensing as much lead into muslims as can be extracted from siberia 1275373;1442351482;ascii_field;that's the 'homogeneous' part. 1275374;1442351507;ascii_field;mats: tell this to the corpses of ru folks who used to live in chechnia 1275375;1442351528;ascii_field;or the people killed in bombings in moscow 1275376;1442351543;ascii_field;plainly, there ~were~ problems dispensing the lead. 1275377;1442351608;ascii_field;the reason for this is that ru could not take the standard euro approach of extermination, because it is not how it works. it absorbs. 1275378;1442351661;trinque;seems quite clear that the encirclement strategy never ended 1275379;1442351673;trinque;instead of NATO to the south, fires 1275380;1442351690;ascii_field;why would it end. 1275381;1442351700;ascii_field;ru natural resources are the west's sole chance of prolonging the party. 1275382;1442351704;ascii_field;well, it and cold fusion. 1275383;1442351714;mats;yet ru still properly stands, and chechnya bends the knee 1275384;1442351734;ascii_field;mats: the degree to which it bends has been exaggerated for pr 1275385;1442351746;ascii_field;these folks don't bend. 1275386;1442351760;ascii_field;they sometimes die, yes. but regenerate much faster than euro people. 1275387;1442351807;punkman;http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snfa2n "JYA and Cryptome Keys Compromised" 1275388;1442351807;assbot;TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdTGtt ) 1275389;1442351850;ascii_field;dafuq 1275390;1442351853;ascii_field;IT IS NOT SIGNED WITH EITHER KEY 1275391;1442351878;ascii_field;it is signed with one of the new keys promulgated 1275392;1442351894;trinque;http://cryptome.org/ << on the homepage too 1275393;1442351895;assbot;Cryptome ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdTPNm ) 1275394;1442351899;ascii_field;where is the evidence that the author of this message ever possessed the keys claimed as compromised ? 1275395;1442351934;ascii_field;the signature belongs to 0x4918FA4ED87D436C. 1275396;1442351978;ascii_field;PGP Desktop 9.6.3 for Windows. << WIN 1275397;1442351983;*;ascii_field head-desks 1275398;1442352027;ascii_field;can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ? 1275399;1442352054;trinque;gotta wait till $tardInt wraps 1275400;1442352095;ascii_field;srsly, is it an impossibility to have a 'cryptome'-like site run by thinking folks ? 1275401;1442352113;ascii_field;iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point 1275402;1442352174;ascii_field;i had the thought once that gossipd would make this item quite trivial to implement 1275403;1442352185;mats;why not qntra? 1275404;1442352204;BingoBoingo;Perhaps some sort of spinoff related to qntra 1275405;1442352225;ascii_field;mats: because phuctor. 1275406;1442352238;ascii_field;look what happens to a box that is even mildly interesting. 1275407;1442352264;ascii_field;now imagine if it were hosting leaked launch codes. 1275408;1442352267;ascii_field;(tm) 1275409;1442352491;phf;!up ascii_field 1275410;1442352531;mats;the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous 1275411;1442352703;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/15/2016-election-old-voting-machines-hanging-chad "Some states are having to go on eBay to buy spare parts for machines that are no longer manufactured. " 1275412;1442352704;assbot;Hanging chad redux? US heading for 2000-style election catastrophe, report finds | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ou5kFB ) 1275413;1442352781;deedbot-;[Qntra] Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked - http://qntra.net/2015/09/cryptome-pgp-keys-compromised-revoked/ 1275414;1442352833;BingoBoingo;!up analmaster 1275415;1442352845;ascii_field;punkman: they run win-ce - all of them. 1275416;1442352854;ascii_field;this is no longer even controversial. 1275417;1442352859;ascii_field;people somehow got used to it. 1275418;1442352868;ascii_field;many (most?) have wireless cards also. 1275419;1442352878;shinohai;https://twitter.com/lopp/status/643781927107858433 1275420;1442352899;punkman;relevant to ebay threads 1275421;1442353078;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275410 << cryptome is not merely a place to drop arbitrary turds. there is curator. 1275422;1442353078;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:28:51; mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous 1275423;1442353093;ascii_field;the curator is what distinguishes an interesting leak site from a public toilet. 1275424;1442353122;punkman;I guess opening all those pdfs on windows machine paid off 1275425;1442353125;ascii_field;curator not only selects interesting material but rejects obvious forgeries, etc 1275426;1442353126;mats;qntra doesn't have to host the files, merely clearsig with hash 1275427;1442353147;ascii_field;mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation. 1275428;1442353173;ascii_field;except as a kind of amorphous mass 1275429;1442353230;mats;mebbe can be accompanied with yandex search query of hash. and 1000 toilets with file. 1275430;1442353231;asciilifeform;!up anton_osika 1275431;1442353249;ascii_field;mats: this only works when a turd is famous 1275432;1442353254;ascii_field;and is immediately mirrored 1275433;1442353270;ascii_field;sometimes, not then, either (how many people are publicly hosting the hackteam dump ?) 1275434;1442353296;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Thanks for the letter but I can obviously not open it. Would you mind encrypting it to me? https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&fingerprint=on&search=0x2CB59FFA3AB7A3EE 1275435;1442353297;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x2cb59ffa3ab7a3ee " ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdYoap ) 1275436;1442353362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00075996 = 31.3863 BTC [+] {3} 1275437;1442353384;BingoBoingo;!down anton_osika 1275438;1442353385;punkman;anton_osika: you are better off focusing on fixing the broken backup 1275439;1442353559;punkman;;;ticker 1275440;1442353560;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.26, Best ask: 230.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 230.42, 24 hour volume: 7414.96871817, 24 hour low: 229.5, 24 hour high: 232.93, 24 hour vwap: None 1275441;1442353586;BingoBoingo;Oh, and Tesla is in trouble http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/15/1759231/porsche-unveils-its-first-electric-car 1275442;1442353588;assbot;Porsche Unveils Its First Electric Car - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdZjHX ) 1275443;1442353799;BingoBoingo;!up anton_osika 1275444;1442353915;anton_osika;mircea_popescu: Hola. I have never had the E4BC29F7 key. What is up with that letter. 1275445;1442354329;phf;https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x86AC5789F93ED2E7 1275446;1442354330;assbot;Search results for '0x86ac5789f93ed2e7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke1XgT ) 1275447;1442354338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00075743 = 13.7852 BTC [-] {2} 1275448;1442354342;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/27BC3XA.txt 1275449;1442354343;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke1Zp0 ) 1275450;1442354350;*;ben_vulpes disappears again 1275451;1442354433;phf;ben_vulpes: have you seen http://appscript.sourceforge.net/status.html ? 1275452;1442354434;assbot;appscript : status ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke2jnQ ) 1275453;1442354466;ben_vulpes;just sharing some lulz, phf 1275454;1442354498;phf;oh pff, i might've done some ... questionable things in the past 1275455;1442354511;ben_vulpes;> we had a ruby script that would use the rb-appscript gem to interface with Apple Terminal and run all of the dependencies in different terminal tabs. 1275456;1442354521;ben_vulpes;why fork when you can automate the UI? 1275457;1442354609;phf;right right, i missed that part (1am here should probably be sleeping) 1275458;1442354780;mircea_popescu;anton_osika obviously it'd be encrypted to 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. i thought that was you. 1275459;1442354848;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/212a488412647cbadfb0c5637feb2e81/tumblr_nukah5Ypbs1tm0lv8o1_400.gif 1275460;1442354849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke3weQ ) 1275461;1442354908;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275346 << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively. 1275462;1442354908;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 20:57:17; ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis. 1275463;1442354989;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275353 << you are not proposing "an arsonist". there isn't another place for the us to go. you are proposing the arson school of home improvement. this, i've yet to observe in practice. outside of pashtuns taken into city dwellings forcibly, or, as the case may be, ustards forced into civilisation against their will. 1275464;1442354989;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 20:59:46; ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ? 1275465;1442355016;mircea_popescu;think that hitler didn't manage to give democracy such a pair of black eyes as the us populace did. 1275466;1442355078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275359 << bwhahahaha and ants are a ploy to inflate cement futures ? 1275467;1442355078;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:37; ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru 1275468;1442355080;mircea_popescu;cmon. 1275469;1442355103;mircea_popescu;for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy. 1275470;1442355109;mircea_popescu;ie ukraine-poland. 1275471;1442355129;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the truly junior partner in any serious discussion 1275472;1442355258;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275361 << heh no wonder no action on https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ 1275473;1442355258;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:54; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks_pie_chart.php hue 1275474;1442355258;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 92`522 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq ) 1275475;1442355299;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275363 << ru has seen on tv how "the big boys do it", ie, how the ustard makes everything about itself. would like to copy this to feel grown-up for once. 1275476;1442355299;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:09:14; mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no? 1275477;1442355311;mircea_popescu;in about 500 years or so of looking through doorcrack at table. 1275478;1442355321;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1275479;1442355323;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275461 << brzezinski ~explicitly~ spells it out. 1275480;1442355323;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 22:08:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275346 << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively. 1275481;1442355337;mircea_popescu;including a prediction ? link plox ? 1275482;1442355349;ascii_field;not prediction. prescription. 1275483;1442355375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00076416 = 4.5361 BTC [+] 1275484;1442355375;ascii_field;it is in his dead tree, 'grand chessboard.' 1275485;1442355396;mircea_popescu;looky. you familiar with that theory that you can't have a fighter jet as a birthday present ? same principle. hypothesis only exists as part of a triad : phenomenon under examination (or set of constraints ; or again paradigm or w/e) + hypothesis + prediction set. 1275486;1442355399;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275469 << the current thing is in no sense historically contiguous with anything pre-colonial. 1275487;1442355399;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 22:11:43; mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy. 1275488;1442355401;mircea_popescu;there's no hypothesis on its own. 1275489;1442355423;mircea_popescu;seems to me to be entirely contiguous with pre-ottoman times even. 1275490;1442355427;ascii_field;hypothesis, correctly formulated, is 'u.s. is following mr b's 'grand chessboard'.' 1275491;1442355442;mircea_popescu;like risk, the international game of intrigue ? 1275492;1442355448;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275459 <<< got trolled by mircea_popescu 1275493;1442355448;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 22:07:28; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/212a488412647cbadfb0c5637feb2e81/tumblr_nukah5Ypbs1tm0lv8o1_400.gif 1275494;1442355464;ascii_field;the phrase is his. 1275495;1442355485;mircea_popescu;im sorry alf, i can't count this as anything. 1275496;1442355501;*;mircea_popescu is more than happy to give credit where credit is due but this doth not constitute an item. 1275497;1442355529;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/SVq0H/image << for le lolz. 1275498;1442355530;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke5kV9 ) 1275499;1442355736;mircea_popescu;!up akkked 1275500;1442356051;shinohai;I should make a lulz bot to archive the "best of" 1275501;1442356214;shinohai;Evenin' pete_dushenski 1275502;1442356251;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/f69c9e47054fae9f4d791176f4818bed/tumblr_n22yl80PWd1qz8x31o1_400.gif << in which fox news has nfi what a thigh gap is. 1275503;1442356251;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke7rIC ) 1275504;1442356292;mircea_popescu;let us explain. in physiologically normal adult human females, the thighs touch but for a narrow space around the outer labia. it has a very specific shape that's pretty invariant across the ethnic groups. 1275505;1442356328;mircea_popescu;so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. 1275506;1442356329;pete_dushenski;howdy shinohai 1275507;1442356374;pete_dushenski;thunt gap (tm) 1275508;1442356429;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: lelz 1275509;1442356515;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275370 << o hey, we actually get to that. anyway, it's not so terribly different from how rome was a "nation". various actual nations in various states of digestion, also in various states of dependency, and an originator preserved in name only. the original latins were a tiny spec also. 1275510;1442356515;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:11:12; ascii_field: mats: http://galstonok.rusedu.net/gallery/3100/Moskovskoe_knyazhestvo_v_XIV_v..gif << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300. 1275511;1442356540;BingoBoingo; so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. << I think it started off as a tublr meme, small part optical illusion created by a slight leaning forward of the torso allowing the feet to be parted and looking as though standing up, because... ;tldr 1275512;1442356593;mircea_popescu;mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. 1275513;1442356621;mircea_popescu;(it's also how things like thigh fucking got started, which is how people "fuck" very young girls to this very day.) 1275514;1442356663;punkman;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3232561/Forget-thigh-gap-Kendall-Jenner-Khloe-Kardashian-Beyonce-spur-new-thighbrow-trend-social-media.html 1275515;1442356663;assbot;Kendall Jenner, Khloe Kardashian and Beyonce spur new 'thighbrow' trend | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke8cBc ) 1275516;1442356676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275382 << and africa. and alaska. and patagonia. and omaigerd, the us proper. 1275517;1442356676;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:15:04; ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion. 1275518;1442356690;shinohai;The Kardashians are also developers now, so I guess that makes me one too. 1275519;1442356730;BingoBoingo; mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. << Of course, but in the selfie era people find ways to photographically exagerate ala the FGAS 1275520;1442356732;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275392 << check it out, the usg stole cryptome ? 1275521;1442356732;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:18:14; trinque: http://cryptome.org/ << on the homepage too 1275522;1442356740;ben_vulpes;was that fox or colbert's satire routine? 1275523;1442356752;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes isn't that guy's name fox ? hence fox news ? 1275524;1442356789;ben_vulpes;stephen colbert, boss. 1275525;1442356796;mircea_popescu;hm. 1275526;1442356809;ben_vulpes;don't put it past fox, ofc, but...that guy's a 'comedian'. 1275527;1442356823;mircea_popescu;but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? 1275528;1442356851;shinohai;Joe Biden jokingly offered to be his veep if he runs for prez 1275529;1442356851;mircea_popescu;that then spawned an entire school of "humorists", like you know, the equivalent of the nazi party agitprop folks, 1275530;1442356859;mircea_popescu;who also thought they were pretty fucking cool and hip and whatnot. 1275531;1442356861;BingoBoingo; but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? << That's the Oliver guy 1275532;1442356873;BingoBoingo;Or the Stewart guy, 1275533;1442356876;pete_dushenski;oliver is a branch on the john stewart tree, same as colbert 1275534;1442356876;ben_vulpes;not stewart? 1275535;1442356877;mircea_popescu;jesus 1275536;1442356879;BingoBoingo;Or there's too many of them 1275537;1442356884;*;ben_vulpes squints at the tree of horseshit 1275538;1442356888;*;ben_vulpes goes back to producing horseshit 1275539;1442356891;ben_vulpes;hey guys 1275540;1442356896;ben_vulpes;ever fill out a security assesment? 1275541;1442356898;mircea_popescu;how about we just call the generic type fox and then i can think fox news was named for him and we move on ? 1275542;1442356908;trinque;that colbert guy gave biden a lavish dick polishing on CBS recently 1275543;1442356908;ben_vulpes;no because no foxes are savvy yo 1275544;1442356916;mircea_popescu;oh shit. 1275545;1442356936;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/9a26a759864508df769dbc0430a187fb/tumblr_nuk653l2MS1uq2n6jo1_250.gif 1275546;1442356937;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQSrWC ) 1275547;1442356945;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: genre savvy 1275548;1442356972;ben_vulpes;grunge savvy 1275549;1442356974;ben_vulpes;grunt savvy 1275550;1442356988;ben_vulpes;omgtehkittens 1275551;1442356999;ben_vulpes;clearly pussyday at casa popescu 1275552;1442357002;trinque;have yet to close 1275553;1442357085;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275398 << well you don't yet know if run by tards or run by people who just got kidnapped etc. 1275554;1442357085;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:20:27; ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ? 1275555;1442357132;mircea_popescu;in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing. 1275556;1442357170;ben_vulpes;"is remoted access to networks protected?" 1275557;1442357187;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274685 << masochist. 1275558;1442357187;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 15:03:06; shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop." 1275559;1442357240;*;ben_vulpes 's bullshit producer needs more booze 1275560;1442357266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12708 @ 0.00076725 = 9.7502 BTC [+] {3} 1275561;1442357313;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275401 << there is exactly no beenfit in providing "the world" with any sort of service. 1275562;1442357313;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:21:53; ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point 1275563;1442357484;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274731 << hahaha. wd AND hilariously redundant title 1275564;1442357484;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 16:22:59; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3 1275565;1442357553;trinque;deedbot- barfeth what deedbot- muncheth 1275566;1442357631;mircea_popescu;o look at that, short form keyids too. 1275567;1442357632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076569 = 19.0657 BTC [-] 1275568;1442357644;mircea_popescu;dawg this crypto cutting edge is so fucking dull... 1275569;1442357662;mats;bet still reads 'ETC' in description 1275570;1442357679;mats;>Irrespective of traded price, this bet resolves as Yes if the total traded ETC/BTC volume ... 1275571;1442357817;mircea_popescu;material error! 1275572;1442357901;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ? 1275573;1442357901;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 21:39:07; ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation. 1275574;1442357903;mircea_popescu;let it suck worse. 1275575;1442357917;mircea_popescu;the only immoral thing in this world is a derp that has things. 1275576;1442358117;mircea_popescu;o hey, apparently ethereum had a "people can remotely take your eth from your wallet" bug sometime in late august ? 1275577;1442358120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00076735 = 9.8988 BTC [+] 1275578;1442358122;mircea_popescu;herp. 1275579;1442358192;shinohai;Yes I remember that, they were upset that I mocked them for it and said it was really a feature or something. 1275580;1442358375;shinohai;https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/637568664645054464 1275581;1442358447;mircea_popescu;oh makes sense. 1275582;1442358457;mircea_popescu;yeah, total feature. keeps the economy going. 1275583;1442358546;mircea_popescu;and for all the cat protestors, http://40.media.tumblr.com/5a5a6cbf35c471dda8bb01f2eab6bd83/tumblr_ns9s8hjUr61tm0lv8o1_500.jpg 1275584;1442358547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ifvdwd ) 1275585;1442358658;ben_vulpes;bawwwww 1275586;1442358678;ben_vulpes;wait ive got one too 1275587;1442358678;ben_vulpes;https://instagram.com/p/7n_oQfLkRA/ 1275588;1442358680;assbot;Natalie Upton on Instagram: “Margot loves to wake Fin from her afternoon siesta with a whole lot of #littlesisterinyoface. 😂👭 #pressplay #finleygirlandgogo #everyday #wakeup #kisses” ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTCVX ) 1275589;1442359151;BingoBoingo;http://www.awesomeinventions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/top-hat-snake.jpg 1275590;1442359151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTWUR ) 1275591;1442359253;mircea_popescu;ehehehehe 1275592;1442359254;mircea_popescu;great. 1275593;1442359277;shinohai;d'awww 1275594;1442359423;BingoBoingo;Wait, here's another http://www.awesomeinventions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/minute-snake-fingers.jpg 1275595;1442359423;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQU4DB ) 1275596;1442359433;punkman;I saw a dog steal an unopened bag of cheetos while I was buying some tobacco from a kiosk couple days ago. guy inside shrugs "what am I gonna do, chase the fucking mutt". I wonder if some bum trained the dog, it was wearing a length of string as a collar. 1275597;1442359474;BingoBoingo;Nah punkman, If I were a bum training dogs I'd train him to steal the tobacco 1275598;1442359491;punkman;tobacco is kept inside though 1275599;1442359499;BingoBoingo;Dog can jump 1275600;1442359512;punkman;dog was pretty sneaky in his approach too 1275601;1442359543;BingoBoingo;What can be done with cheetos? They aren't food. Can't imagine they would ferment to something drinkable. 1275602;1442359630;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/d034c312c11b920e3309df0a27e3993e/tumblr_myy4k6BtCn1qlsrn9o2_500.gif i lolld 1275603;1442359630;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUc66 ) 1275604;1442359701;mircea_popescu;whyte guys can't say ho! 1275605;1442359707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137999 @ 0.00077379 = 106.7822 BTC [+] {10} 1275606;1442359857;ben_vulpes;lol what is that from 1275607;1442359892;trinque;"Ho indeed Mr President." 1275608;1442359900;trinque;o my sides 1275609;1442359997;mircea_popescu;https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l1o26/jameson_lopp_if_lightning_networks_become_popular/ << check it out. a tweet gets a buncha reddit upvotes. because why ? because it's from some schmuck (that lopp derp) that's being implanted. 1275610;1442359999;assbot;Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUqKx ) 1275611;1442360015;mircea_popescu;remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ? 1275612;1442360022;mircea_popescu;that's how antonoderps are born. 1275613;1442360062;BingoBoingo;lol how many times does he comment on his own derp https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l1o26/jameson_lopp_if_lightning_networks_become_popular/cv2px5d 1275614;1442360063;assbot;statoshi comments on Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUt92 ) 1275615;1442360087;mircea_popescu;and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. 1275616;1442360203;BingoBoingo;lol, This is not biology. Si Fab is closer to biology than this. 1275617;1442360411;*;ben_vulpes is reading the 2013 pynchon—pretty lulzy lambasting of the dotcom shitshow + the idiocy of nyc immediately before the jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeams incident 1275618;1442360458;ben_vulpes;Among the mystery vendors discovered by the resourceful Eric Outfield down in the encrypted files of hashslingrz is a fiber brokerage called Darklinear Solutions. 1275619;1442360459;ben_vulpes;Who in their right mind, you wonder, would go into fiber these days, given the huge decline in new installation since last year? Well, back during the tech bubble, it seems so much cabling was put in that now miles of existing fiber are just sitting there what they call “dark,” and the result is that outfits like Darklinear have come swooping down on the carcass of the business, scouting out overinstalled, unused fiber in otherwise 1275620;1442360459;ben_vulpes;“lit” buildings, mapping it, helping clients put together customized private networks. 1275621;1442360459;ben_vulpes;What’s puzzling Maxine is why hashslingrz’s payments to Darklinear are being kept hidden when they don’t have to be. Fiber’s a legitimate company expense, bandwidth needs at hashslingrz more than justify it, even the IRS seems to be happy. And yet, just as with hwgaahwgh.com, the dollar amounts are way too big, and somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion. 1275622;1442360542;ben_vulpes;("Hey, We've Got Awesome And Hip Web Graphix, Here") 1275623;1442360561;BingoBoingo; and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. << And now that we are making fun of Lopp'd off his penis qntra is being DDoS 1275624;1442360687;ben_vulpes;http://38.media.tumblr.com/f024218f8fb441f134565410faa46791/tumblr_inline_nrrdqrpo251raprkq_500.gif 1275625;1442360688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUNEN ) 1275626;1442360734;trinque;ahhaa 1275627;1442360737;trinque;*ahaha 1275628;1442360845;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3l33io/if_youve_ever_wanted_to_see_a_cult_pray_for_a/ <<< moar 1275629;1442360846;assbot;If you've ever wanted to see a cult pray for a piece of vaporware to exist, now is your chance. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlzXHa ) 1275630;1442360861;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1275631;1442360862;assbot;GRAPH_V ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1275632;1442360883;trinque;mod6: very cool! 1275633;1442360924;mod6;thanks :] 1275634;1442360987;mod6;i think there is also some sort of mechanical way I can walk through my validated seals hash and perhaps somehow label the node who whom has signed. 1275635;1442361013;mod6;i dunno, gotta think on it a bit on how that would look -- might just be a mouse-over or "alt" type of attribute. 1275636;1442361232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00076735 = 19.3372 BTC [-] 1275637;1442361300;ben_vulpes;client security wants to know if we do risk analysis on "emerging mobile code" 1275638;1442361310;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL0NPdGVEAANoQQ.jpg:large 1275639;1442361311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQVbU2 ) 1275640;1442361311;trinque;:| 1275641;1442361319;ben_vulpes;myeah because coffeescript on node.js with mongodb and a half-baked orm wasn't considered a risk 1275642;1442361333;trinque;what in the fuck is emerging mobile code 1275643;1442361350;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275630 << this is glorious. 1275644;1442361350;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 23:47:41; mod6: asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1275645;1442361357;asciilifeform;but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified 1275646;1442361381;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275611 << along with many other u.s. folks, i ~watched~ this happen with obama 1275647;1442361381;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 23:33:35; mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ? 1275648;1442361392;BingoBoingo; what in the fuck is emerging mobile code << Gentoo mobile 1275649;1442361404;asciilifeform;he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election 1275650;1442361404;*;trinque babbles incoherently about trigger warning 1275651;1442361415;asciilifeform;just mentioned. 1275652;1442361427;asciilifeform;'the new up-and-coming senator, likely presidential hopeful, ....' 1275653;1442361430;asciilifeform;mr. whatthefuck 1275654;1442361449;asciilifeform;i actually misparsed his name, it was slightly mangled, 'who is baracko bama ???! 1275655;1442361479;asciilifeform;distinct recollection, i asked the pet, 'what kind of name is baracko ?!' 1275656;1442361498;BingoBoingo; he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election << 2004 during that Senate primary East Saint was covered in signs for the "heritage" anglo candiate for that seat. Literally every boarded up window had a sign. Obama still won. 1275657;1442361534;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275572 << i can see this perspective. but what i can't see is why operate qntra, trilema, phuctor, etc. if this. 1275658;1442361534;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 22:58:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ? 1275659;1442361544;asciilifeform;or kako's logs 1275660;1442361546;BingoBoingo;BLAIR HULL, that's the cracker who had the signs 1275661;1442361551;asciilifeform;after all, they face the public. 1275662;1442361558;asciilifeform;givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! 1275663;1442361590;BingoBoingo; givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! << But they offer PHREE humiliation to the public 1275664;1442361601;asciilifeform;thing is, imho world is not made of us and of derps, or rather it ~is~ but rather like a mountain of lamproite 1275665;1442361636;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i just uncrated my '92 incidentally 1275666;1442361648;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the backplate is a little wobbly 1275667;1442361656;asciilifeform;i am disappointed in the bizarre physical design of that 1275668;1442361667;*;asciilifeform never had the 92 before 1275669;1442361680;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mine has a pretty solid backplate, is the backplate switch in the "locked" position? 1275670;1442361685;asciilifeform;it is. 1275671;1442361702;asciilifeform;i might end up putting some 3m double-sided sticky under it. 1275672;1442361713;asciilifeform;my unit is a '92 plus' btw. 1275673;1442361731;BingoBoingo;Huh, where did your some from. Mine claims heritage from "IMHS 40" "16" 1275674;1442361732;asciilifeform;if yours is a plain 92, you can make (theoretically) rom cartridges. 1275675;1442361739;BingoBoingo;Ah, mine is plain 92 1275676;1442361742;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mine is unmarked. 1275677;1442361747;asciilifeform;and looks more or less virginal. 1275678;1442361755;asciilifeform;as in, no dust, no fingerprints 1275679;1442361772;asciilifeform;no boy cheated on his exams with this one. 1275680;1442361774;BingoBoingo;Mine has some scars 1275681;1442361784;BingoBoingo;But beautiful screen 1275682;1442361864;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: put lithium 'aa' cells in it. 1275683;1442361864;BingoBoingo; if yours is a plain 92, you can make (theoretically) rom cartridges. << /me theoretically would kind of like to port this software to "Mac Classic" which is too slow to be useful as B&W Mac 1275684;1442361903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8286 @ 0.00076735 = 6.3583 BTC [-] 1275685;1442361905;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll get batteries soon. Has new chicom AAs and new chicom Lithium CR2032 1275686;1442361928;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hah, apparently contrast adjust is different on this than 89 1275687;1442361932;asciilifeform;works great. 1275688;1442361955;BingoBoingo;Works like my 89 did to my best memory, green diamond 1275689;1442362011;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what fw ver in yours ? i have 1.05, june the 6th 1999 1275690;1442362023;asciilifeform;or rather, june the 2nd 1275691;1442362039;BingoBoingo;I haven't found that yet. Prolly ought to order used book, because damned if I am trusting this to pdf 1275692;1442362060;asciilifeform;your 89 book will suffice 1275693;1442362069;asciilifeform;they are ~exactly~ the same but for the keyboard, iirc. 1275694;1442362078;BingoBoingo;Sold 89 book with 89 back in college for booze money 1275695;1442362086;asciilifeform;l0l 1275696;1442362122;BingoBoingo;WHen found out since my college did not do applied math did not need calculator 1275697;1442362133;*;asciilifeform lolz at the external display port on the '92 1275698;1442362251;BingoBoingo;I have to admit I kinda want to put some games on it and spend a day riding the Metro Link in St Louis 1275699;1442362289;asciilifeform;it is more or less the perfect 'game boy' form factor, aha 1275700;1442362305;BingoBoingo;Better than Gamboy in terms of screen by far 1275701;1442362307;asciilifeform;play 1-bit audio through the i/o jack ! 1275702;1442362313;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1275703;1442362325;asciilifeform;do the weird green electroluminescent backlight mod! 1275704;1442362328;asciilifeform;relive childhood. 1275705;1442362355;BingoBoingo;lol Gameboy was not backlit in any meaningful way 1275706;1442362364;*;asciilifeform only ever saw it in pictures 1275707;1442362379;BingoBoingo;I even remember the "front lit" accessory 1275708;1442362415;BingoBoingo;Consisted of magnifying lens and lamp in frame 1275709;1442362429;asciilifeform;btw magnifiers are old hat for tiny screens 1275710;1442362451;asciilifeform;my grandfather had a tv (one of the early ru tv sets) that came with a gigantic flask you would fill with water and affix to the screen 1275711;1442362457;BingoBoingo;Ah 1275712;1442362463;asciilifeform;(which was perhaps a hand's breadth in side) 1275713;1442362482;mod6;<+asciilifeform> but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified << I'll see what I can do about this. It's at the node level. So the entire node itself is linkified. I'm just getting into all the things you can do with this Graph::Easy thing. 1275714;1442362492;asciilifeform;mod6: very spiffy though 1275715;1442362498;asciilifeform;and belongs on therealbitcoin.org imho. 1275716;1442362521;mod6;cool, thx. once i get it polished up a bit, yeah, will link it. 1275717;1442362549;*;asciilifeform takes off hat to mod6, whose 'v' is light-years ahead of the old dusty original. 1275718;1442362552;mod6;i wanna see if I can add a mouse-over label or something to each node to whom has signed each vpatch. which I think, with adding a custom attribute or something, I can do. 1275719;1442362576;*;mod6 bows. 1275720;1442362579;asciilifeform;THIS is why i wanted folks to re-write it 1275721;1442362596;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where is yours ! 1275722;1442362612;BingoBoingo;AH, apparently there are projector peripherals for TI-92 and others 1275723;1442362619;mod6;i wanted to just to ensure that I understand everything going on in there. it's a decent exercise programatically, but I'm not much of a python guy. 1275724;1442362620;asciilifeform;i'd enjoy reading mircea_popescu's fortran or focal whatever 'v' too, even. 1275725;1442362657;mod6;same! 1275726;1442362703;mod6;thanks for writing 'v' asciilifeform; i really love this thing. 1275727;1442362705;asciilifeform;oh hey if it isn't the ddos bot 1275728;1442362707;asciilifeform;!up optimator 1275729;1442362878;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275555 << iirc this is not even the first time ! 1275730;1442362878;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 22:45:32; mircea_popescu: in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing. 1275731;1442363012;BingoBoingo;!up btcdrak 1275732;1442363031;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275615 << cosmic rays !!111 (tm) 1275733;1442363031;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 23:34:47; mircea_popescu: and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. 1275734;1442363038;BingoBoingo; oh hey if it isn't the ddos bot << Seriously they seem to be back without Phuctor to fuck with 1275735;1442363125;kakobrekla;what gave it away, the name? :) 1275736;1442363142;BingoBoingo;Nah, the smell 1275737;1442363147;asciilifeform;^ 1275738;1442363167;BingoBoingo;;;google barbara streisand stink ray 1275739;1442363168;gribble;Barbra Streisand - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle: ; Mecha-Streisand 2010 - YouTube: ; 'South Park' recap: Episode '201' - Entertainment Weekly: 1275740;1442363168;kakobrekla;as long as it wasnt the color of the bits. 1275741;1442363192;asciilifeform;nah, it was smell & taste strictly. 1275742;1442363200;kakobrekla;i can put a ban on it.. 1275743;1442363215;asciilifeform;sure. let's see who if anyone complains. 1275744;1442363232;asciilifeform;anonyderps are meat, they exist for our entertainment. 1275745;1442363238;BingoBoingo;Eh, maybe let them stalk here a bit and mebbe they'll leave britney-qntra alone 1275746;1442363306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8723 @ 0.00076569 = 6.6791 BTC [-] 1275747;1442363649;ben_vulpes;man 1275748;1442363654;ben_vulpes;ui programming is fucking complicated 1275749;1442363694;ben_vulpes;whether it's the hepcat "rfp" or the mvc/mvvm patterns 1275750;1442363700;ben_vulpes;blee 1275751;1442363793;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Do you want to know what an example of a truly elegant friendly program with a wonderful user interface is? 1275752;1442363970;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: cmus, if your UI is more compilated or intuitive than that of cmus there is a problem 1275753;1442364045;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274828 << myup. see also : replacement for usg 'green building council', one Mahesh Ramanujam 1275754;1442364045;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 17:25:43; mircea_popescu: srsly, the us is indian now ? 1275755;1442364451;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/30/climate-change-is-a-good-thing-not-the-apocalypse-mkay/#identifier_9_4222 << 'usggbc' 1275756;1442364453;assbot;Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWcmkz ) 1275757;1442365197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00076265 = 59.7536 BTC [-] 1275758;1442365212;pete_dushenski;http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/peugeot-fractal-concept-revealed-frankfurt-motor-show << the fractals, they're everywhere ! 1275759;1442365213;assbot;Peugeot Fractal concept revealed at Frankfurt motor show | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mqyl5K ) 1275760;1442365420;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Looks like Tesla is getting smashed between actual car companies 1275761;1442365475;pete_dushenski;totally. the baby porsche panamera e-whachamathing is gunning right for it. 1275762;1442365481;*;BingoBoingo doesn't think the utility propositions offered by present electric cars measure up to the original Chevy Silverado hybrid 1275763;1442365487;pete_dushenski;and hey, who wouldn't choose porsche over usg ? 1275764;1442365499;BingoBoingo;Even the Peugot is gunning for Tesla 1275765;1442365527;pete_dushenski;what utility of silverado hybrid ? the thing cost an arm and a leg and had the ground clearance of a camry 1275766;1442365532;BingoBoingo;Once tesla revealed their hand was competing not on efficiency, but stotting Porsche had it 1275767;1442365551;BingoBoingo; what utility of silverado hybrid ? the thing cost an arm and a leg and had the ground clearance of a camry << Worksite AC power, contractors loved it 1275768;1442365561;pete_dushenski;for real eh 1275769;1442365573;BingoBoingo;Seriously, more efficient than a honda generator 1275770;1442365611;pete_dushenski;neato 1275771;1442365630;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euB34FJ15f8 << said model s killah 1275772;1442365631;assbot;Porsche Mission E concept revealed at Frankfurt IAA 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWfIUD ) 1275773;1442365673;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You see that "open source car" company spamming press releases all over the news today? 1275774;1442365688;pete_dushenski;yes, both are still epically stupid, atrociously poor investments and not a recommended use of finite capital, but hey, idjit gonna idjit 1275775;1442365700;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: nah 1275776;1442365760;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: They got a few interesting designs, like a "rally car" that looks kinda looks like a short wheelbase classic GTO... But they insert 3D printing places machine shop is certainly cheaper 1275777;1442365859;BingoBoingo;Anyways I kinda though "sevenesque" designs birthed the whole open auto design environment 1275778;1442365906;pete_dushenski;http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-guides/smooth-riding-sofa-cars-%C2%A35000-used-car-buying-guide <-- o hey steve cropley, thx for reading contravex eight months ago and pretending like you needn't quote references --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/19/the-ultimate-status-symbol/ 1275779;1442365907;assbot;Smooth-riding sofa cars from £5000 - used car buying guide | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqzwCe ) 1275780;1442365908;assbot;The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mqzz0I ) 1275781;1442365933;pete_dushenski;or maybe i'm so vain that i see my fingerprints everywhere. hard to say :P 1275782;1442365957;BingoBoingo;Hard to say anymore 1275783;1442365961;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: sevenesque ? like lotus 7 ? 1275784;1442365968;BingoBoingo;Indeed pete_dushenski 1275785;1442365990;BingoBoingo;One of the most from the ground cloned cars in history 1275786;1442366000;BingoBoingo;And often improved over the origina; 1275787;1442366042;BingoBoingo;I mean what other single model of motor vehicle has another whole genera of near imitators 1275788;1442366051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.00076265 = 61.9272 BTC [-] 1275789;1442366156;pete_dushenski;the 7 is hard to beat in that category 1275790;1442366229;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1275791;1442366245;pete_dushenski;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LgfHqulT6Io/VfbSwZDUGxI/AAAAAAAAicY/SaU0rl11TcU/s640/pluto1.jpg << pluto 1275792;1442366246;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWh3L7 ) 1275793;1442366246;BingoBoingo;It is the standard for clonable vehicle 1275794;1442366336;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9_ZjcWgAAMGXT.png:large << hillary's popularity, 2008 vs. 2016 races. 1275795;1442366337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWhepX ) 1275796;1442366359;*;pete_dushenski still doing that 'objective observer' thing, yes. 1275797;1442366386;BingoBoingo;lol 1275798;1442366587;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: So far my investment in this election ends on this bet resolving as 'No' because whoever bet yes went with the very likely outcome, but did it with balls 1275799;1442366589;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ 1275800;1442366590;assbot;BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 1 day 1 hour ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU ) 1275801;1442366655;pete_dushenski;ya, that was a strong bet. matched only by the eth NO guy. 1275802;1442366684;pete_dushenski;lobbymclobsiderson 1275803;1442366747;BingoBoingo;I just trickled enough to discourge other 'no' money and then someone still put a million satoshis on it. 1275804;1442366772;BingoBoingo;In other news https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181171.msg12430829#msg12430829 1275805;1442366774;assbot;Let's stop telling newbies that they can buy an account to join sig campaigns. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWi7yR ) 1275806;1442366892;shinohai;top kek BingoBoingo 1275807;1442366909;shinohai;Do sig campaigns actually pay anything? 1275808;1442366913;BingoBoingo;;;google the stock exchange holders on welfare 1275809;1442366914;gribble;Stock Market Capitalism: Welfare Capitalism - Oxford Scholarship: ; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: ; JIBS Book Review - Stock Market Capitalism: Welfare Capitalism ...: (1 more message) 1275810;1442366918;BingoBoingo;Boo 1275811;1442366952;BingoBoingo;shinohai: They did at one point, but Phillipenis and the cost of selling one's soul make it dubious 1275812;1442366993;shinohai;I don't socialize there, I just lurk and read. 1275813;1442367080;BingoBoingo;Socializing ended there when Pirateat40 ended as far as I can tell, since nothing but blood 1275814;1442367083;shinohai;Doesn't seem worth it to me. 1275815;1442367116;BingoBoingo;And /r/bitcoin is totally against citizens arming https://archive.is/fZqp1 1275816;1442367117;assbot;I just finished setting up my local gun store to take bitcoin. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWiPft ) 1275817;1442367173;asciilifeform;shinohai: l0l what's the use, in usa. usg makes them collect names. 1275818;1442367189;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ 1275819;1442367510;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In that thread /r/bitcoin's attitude to arming and the calls for less arms 1275820;1442367564;BingoBoingo;Anyways who in the US would by an arm from anyone other than a crack dealer? Gotta tilt counter party risk in your favor if you are going to take it. 1275821;1442367602;BingoBoingo;"if only America was more concerned about gun regulation than Bitcoin regulation." etc 1275822;1442367634;BingoBoingo;Not that the average 'Murican hamplanet could actually use a firearm in conflict with effectiveness 1275823;1442367759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71150 @ 0.00076265 = 54.2625 BTC [-] 1275824;1442367796;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l40lj/i_just_finished_setting_up_my_local_gun_store_to/cv31uqx 1275825;1442367798;assbot;StubNuts comments on I just finished setting up my local gun store to take bitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWkkKr ) 1275826;1442367865;mircea_popescu;awww teh ddos!!1 1275827;1442367875;BingoBoingo;Also lol considering qntra DDoS https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3l3tt5/cryptome_pgp_keys_compromised_revoked/ 1275828;1442367876;assbot;Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWktOe ) 1275829;1442367912;BingoBoingo; awww teh ddos!!1 << And I've had a shit on Twitter piece sitting ready the whole time nao 1275830;1442367960;mircea_popescu;let's hope twitter doesnt' go bankrupt first. 1275831;1442367989;pete_dushenski;could be post-mortem 1275832;1442368000;pete_dushenski;like shitting on myspace 1275833;1442368006;BingoBoingo;BUT THEY MIGHT!!! SRS BREAKING NEWS 1275834;1442368037;BingoBoingo;Though because DDoS I had to change "today" to "yesterday" 1275835;1442368042;mircea_popescu;"somebodys putting up password protection out of all proportion." wut ? 1275836;1442368125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28885 @ 0.00076265 = 22.0291 BTC [-] 1275837;1442368138;BingoBoingo;https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---XR8htmF--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1432121957992267555.png << For the record some of our puddles here from March have yet to dry 1275838;1442368139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1CMBy ) 1275839;1442368215;BingoBoingo;ANd how does Cairo, Illinois get the "abnormally dry" marking on that map. They are practically living in Kevin Costner's "Waterworld" 1275840;1442368388;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275649 << i saw that (after the fact). 1275841;1442368388;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 23:56:44; asciilifeform: he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election 1275842;1442368408;mircea_popescu;and yes, the comment was "mr nobody is prolly slated for something or the other." 1275843;1442368419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was an instant wtf 1275844;1442368430;asciilifeform;i watched it live, on a gigantic projector screen at uni of m 1275845;1442368431;BingoBoingo;Popular sentiment here was how does the colored with a terrorist name with the Senate primary 1275846;1442368532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: [...] but what i can't see is why operate qntra, trilema, phuctor, etc. if this. << why not ? 1275847;1442368545;asciilifeform;because 'fuck the public' ? 1275848;1442368567;asciilifeform;i mean, we are serving up bandwidth and cpu cycles 'for nothing', no ? 1275849;1442368607;asciilifeform;(but the way i see it, there is some amount of 'us' remaining to be extracted from 'public'. so there is a point.) 1275850;1442368674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58471 @ 0.00075703 = 44.2643 BTC [-] {4} 1275851;1442368679;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: holy hell that '92' is spiffy. like having 'derive' that boots up in 100 millisec. i forgot how great this felt. 1275852;1442368695;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and this one has no fewer than ~three~ 'enter' keys. just to make various strokes shorter. 1275853;1442368722;mircea_popescu;understand, the "public is worthless" argument isn't there to be wielded against me. it's just there for ME exclusively to wield against anyone else. 1275854;1442368728;BingoBoingo;Seriously asciilifeform I am overwhelmed with the awesome. Also how goddamned many 2nd keys??? 1275855;1442368735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56329 @ 0.000757 = 42.6411 BTC [-] {2} 1275856;1442368743;mircea_popescu;so, "why aren't you doing homework ?" "i dun feel like it" "how come you're going out ? i thought you didn't feel like it ?" "now i do." 1275857;1442368765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is easy, sure 1275858;1442368767;BingoBoingo;2, 2 keys to get to the gold functions 1275859;1442368785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i was hoping to hear some principle, as in 'we oughtn't give away morsels to strangers except when f(x)=y' 1275860;1442368835;mircea_popescu;i do not think strangers are worth anything anyway, and i don't think trying to find out how much they're worth is a sane use of resources. 1275861;1442368856;mircea_popescu;the stable historical solution seems to be, "ignore them unless one in particular makes you horny. fuck that one." 1275862;1442368865;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: but i was hoping to hear some principle, as in 'we oughtn't give away morsels to strangers except when f(x)=y' << Embrace the machine when y(x)= 1275863;1442368942;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls mircea_popescu once expressed interest in the notion of a multi-pgp'd blog 1275864;1442368967;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3kzsk3/subscriptions_up_400_in_a_certain_censored/ << stolfi stumbles on "reddit makes up random numbers, displays them throughout the site", infers something about some dude he doesn't like. 1275865;1442368969;assbot;Subscriptions up 400% in a certain censored subreddit : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWmMAF ) 1275866;1442369026;mircea_popescu;http://blog.onename.com/namecoin-to-bitcoin/ << check it out trinque, lots and lots and LOTS of people wanna be in the deedbot- business now. 1275867;1442369027;assbot;What To Do When a Miner Controls Over 51% of Your Blockchain ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWmTwh ) 1275868;1442369028;BingoBoingo;So, interesting tidbit from this past weekend's fight undercard. First fight featured a competitor who KO'd as many opponents professionally as Money has won against 1275869;1442369031;mircea_popescu;funnay how that worx 1275870;1442369050;asciilifeform;What To Do When a Miner Controls Over 51% of Your Blockchain << reminds me of the canonical ww1 joke 1275871;1442369054;*;BingoBoingo thinks namecoin would still be the best torrent tracker 1275872;1442369069;asciilifeform;'what should you do if a shell lands in your trench?' 1275873;1442369088;BingoBoingo;ln 'enemy' 1275874;1442369101;mircea_popescu;this "we've released many open source tools" is the new "would you like to read my poetry" 1275875;1442369101;asciilifeform;-- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' 1275876;1442369121;mircea_popescu;nobody reads shitty code from web derps. 1275877;1442369124;mircea_popescu;NOBODY. 1275878;1442369189;asciilifeform;eh, virologists read it. 1275879;1442369193;asciilifeform;once in a blue moon. 1275880;1442369209;mircea_popescu;not his. 1275881;1442369215;mircea_popescu;"it", in general, sure. never his. 1275882;1442369243;mircea_popescu;just like, every year some men rape some women, 1275883;1442369251;mircea_popescu;but it's never one of those "almost raped" wilty daisies. 1275884;1442369272;BingoBoingo;My god, hwo the fuck could Mayweather's old ass justify making himself the main even in this thing. Rough two of the Gonzales-Oquendo undercard fight was spectacular. 1275885;1442369273;asciilifeform;only when they travel to tahrir square and ask nicely. 1275886;1442369319;mircea_popescu;even there. 1275887;1442369322;asciilifeform;(every so often, some american 'activism' chick travels to an orc pit and gets drilled out several #s, and it makes the nyooz) 1275888;1442369406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61523 @ 0.00075672 = 46.5557 BTC [-] {3} 1275889;1442369607;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, it's a pipe saturation thingee, we see how long can keep it up. 1275890;1442369611;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phun phakt: you can natively do 1024-bit rsa on the '92. 1275891;1442369622;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see also https://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/csksxvm.jsp?nSetId=71569 1275892;1442369623;assbot;Accuracy Information for the TI-89 Family, TI-92 Family, and Voyage™ 200 Graphing Calculators. - Knowledge Base by Texas Instruments - US and Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1G8EA ) 1275893;1442369636;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this is because i made a comment on cryptome article explaining how one's not to discount the poissibility that the real guy was kidnapped 1275894;1442369682;asciilifeform;why would they shoot him now, rather than when he was posting raw snowden2isms ...? 1275895;1442369685;BingoBoingo; i wonder if this is because i made a comment on cryptome article explaining how one's not to discount the poissibility that the real guy was kidnapped << Would make a lot of sense. I was suspecting because we were mocking Lopp kid in chan again. 1275896;1442369709;BingoBoingo; why would they shoot him now, rather than when he was posting raw snowden2isms ...? << Phuctor is down and they have idle udp to piss somewhere 1275897;1442369711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no idea. 1275898;1442369716;mircea_popescu;lol 1275899;1442369718;asciilifeform;i suppose there is delay. perhaps i will be shot a decade from now and will have forgotten why !! 1275900;1442369732;mircea_popescu;only right way to do it. 1275901;1442369740;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima go have some icecream. 1275902;1442369749;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phuctor had a human plug-puller who is prolly making his way to where trilema lives 1275903;1442369754;asciilifeform;or qntra, etc. 1275904;1442369817;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ah, plug pulling was especially useful against phuctor. Qntra and Trilema though have the pipe saturation weakness. 1275905;1442370017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00076135 = 39.6663 BTC [+] 1275906;1442370027;asciilifeform;another thing i'm a bit confused about is why a usg-sponsored ddos should ever let up 1275907;1442370037;asciilifeform;what, evil empire can't afford 100GB/s forever ? 1275908;1442370084;BingoBoingo; what, evil empire can't afford 100GB/s forever ? << Can't because plausible deniaility 1275909;1442370098;asciilifeform;what deniability remains plausible here ? 1275910;1442370102;pete_dushenski;;;isitup mpex.co 1275911;1442370103;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. 1275912;1442370110;asciilifeform;it is abundantly clear who and why 1275913;1442370112;asciilifeform;at this point 1275914;1442370113;pete_dushenski;;;isitdown mpex.co 1275915;1442370114;gribble;mpex.co is up 1275916;1442370133;pete_dushenski;if you say so, gribs 1275917;1442370141;pete_dushenski;ah nm 1275918;1442370144;pete_dushenski;just a bit slow 1275919;1442370181;BingoBoingo; it is abundantly clear who and why << Clear to whom? To the uninitiated it seems qntra posted this on /r/netsec and new audience sees site down assumes small and new qntra 1275920;1442370568;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Consider we are the bass who swallowed the crankbait. Adversary assumes it is playing us on the line. 1275921;1442371147;pete_dushenski;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/us-usa-fraud-blackberry-idUSKCN0RF28Q20150915 << moar 'legal' lulz 1275922;1442371148;assbot;Wireless executive gets prison after BlackBerry leak| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1JffO ) 1275923;1442371404;pete_dushenski;as IF ceo of 400-franchise mobile retailer is leaking info for a paltry $2k/mo. 1275924;1442371424;pete_dushenski;this is america, ceos are supposed to be one-percenters! 1275925;1442371428;pete_dushenski;what kind of scam is this. 1275926;1442371432;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this ties in to the earlier thread today re: the sale of 0days. 1275927;1442371458;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: even if this schmuck had used bitcoin, and done so correctly, he still could not establish credibility to the buyer without revealing who he was. 1275928;1442371485;asciilifeform;(perhaps i am thick, but i don't see how mircea_popescu's solution would work here) 1275929;1442371542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14946 @ 0.00076135 = 11.3791 BTC [+] 1275930;1442371598;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/14/us-usa-military-russia-idUSKCN0RE2DO20150914 << l0l, 'predators' will fly in usg's latvia. 1275931;1442371599;assbot;U.S. Air Force cites 'alarming' Russian strides in air power | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1gpL4Hq ) 1275932;1442371625;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237481 ? 1275933;1442371625;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 00:36:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up. 1275934;1442371679;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: see thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237556 1275935;1442371680;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 01:29:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237481 << this is more difficult than mircea_popescu might appreciate. for one thing, i do hardware, where merely the ~fact of~ a usable hole existing is half the secret - once you say, credibly, folks know precisely where to look; the other half of it is that i am in the wot neither of folks buying nor of folks brokering; and the third 'half' is that an 1275936;1442371790;pete_dushenski;yes. 1275937;1442371801;pete_dushenski;schmuck's problem is being usian. full stop. 1275938;1442371825;pete_dushenski;other issues are surmountable, but that usian thing's a prickly thorn 1275939;1442372034;BingoBoingo; ... << l0l, 'predators' will fly in usg's latvia. <<< But A-10's stationed in Romania. If only the US upgraded its highest performing Air-to-Air platform... the A-10 1275940;1442372076;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'predator' is mainly an intimidation tool, rather than a weapons system in the usual sense 1275941;1442372091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66598 @ 0.0007603 = 50.6345 BTC [-] {5} 1275942;1442372125;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Still scary that the A-10 is a superior air-to-air combatant to more expensive newer dedicated platforms 1275943;1442372293;BingoBoingo;Who'da thunk armor beats stealth in the air 1275944;1442372877;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, added the link colorization and a graph label 1275945;1442372878;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1275946;1442372879;assbot;GRAPH_0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1275947;1442372900;*;BingoBoingo suspects Tanzania is swiftly moving from joke to candidate for hardware #b-a 1275948;1442373003;pete_dushenski;i thought it was tasmania ? 1275949;1442373006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75600 @ 0.0007609 = 57.524 BTC [+] {3} 1275950;1442373132;BingoBoingo;Was it? 1275951;1442373138;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274499 << nm. i just read and remembered what i wanted to. 1275952;1442373138;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 14:03:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this leaves who? tanzania ? 1275953;1442373211;pete_dushenski;i was imaging this guy protecting the dc : https://youtu.be/dzPxndZGxt0?t=36s 1275954;1442373212;assbot;Dr Devil and Mr Hare Clip - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gpMHVz ) 1275955;1442373222;pete_dushenski;*imagining 1275956;1442373347;pete_dushenski;"A woman is suing New York City after she spent eight days in a mental hospital because, she claims, police didn't believe she, a black woman, could own a BMW." 1275957;1442373373;pete_dushenski;"When she arrived at the impound lot and told officials she was looking for her car - a 2003 BMW 325Cl, she knew there was something wrong as soon as she requested her vehicle. "I just felt like from the moment I said I owned a BMW, I was looked at as a liar," Brock told PIX 11. "They put me in handcuffs and said they just need to put me in handcuffs to take me to my car. And I said OK, whatever it's gonna take 1275958;1442373373;pete_dushenski;to get to my car."" 1275959;1442373408;pete_dushenski;"Doctors believed she was suffering from bipolar disorder, she claims, and tried for days to get Brock to admit she didn't own the luxury car. They also tried to convince Brock that she wasn't really a banker and President Obama didn't really follow her on Twitter, though both facts are true. 1275960;1442373408;pete_dushenski;The worst part? She was stuck with a $13,000 hospital bill for the pleasure." 1275961;1442373417;asciilifeform;mod6: it is very spiffy 1275962;1442373423;asciilifeform;mod6: and ought to be on the www 1275963;1442373459;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: wai wut 1275964;1442373462;asciilifeform;what happened to titles ? 1275965;1442373467;pete_dushenski;$13k is ~= to cost of her car. 1275966;1442373480;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: nypd happened 1275967;1442373517;pete_dushenski;what do you think happened to mobile operator schmuck ? 1275968;1442373525;pete_dushenski;not so different. 1275969;1442373539;asciilifeform;mobile operator ? 1275970;1442373571;pete_dushenski;sorry, this guy http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275921 1275971;1442373571;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 02:39:07; pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/us-usa-fraud-blackberry-idUSKCN0RF28Q20150915 << moar 'legal' lulz 1275972;1442373606;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259456 1275973;1442373606;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule. 1275974;1442373627;pete_dushenski;ah yes, the famous schedule. 1275975;1442373637;pete_dushenski;you wouldn't happen to have a copy would you ? 1275976;1442373650;asciilifeform;this here is that rare bird, the 'five-year plan' that might actually get met. 1275977;1442373661;pete_dushenski;or is it in the 'do not share' stash with 0days ? 1275978;1442373667;pete_dushenski;;P 1275979;1442373682;asciilifeform;it is being spammed far and wide. between the lines. 1275980;1442373859;BingoBoingo;Fuck, much better undercard on the recent fight than pacquiao mayweather had 1275981;1442373985;BingoBoingo;Seriously second undercard fight has a black swede 1275982;1442374024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275760 << afaik this is known as "doing their research for free". 1275983;1442374024;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 01:03:40; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Looks like Tesla is getting smashed between actual car companies 1275984;1442374035;mircea_popescu;what noobs/wannabe's/children are for. 1275985;1442374055;pete_dushenski;maybe that's where germany's gold went 1275986;1442374092;pete_dushenski;spent by muskotron on electric car research 1275987;1442374114;pete_dushenski;probably not a terrible use of the yellow bricks, really 1275988;1442374177;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275275 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2014#810796 1275989;1442374177;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 20:25:14; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this? 1275990;1442374177;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2014 23:24:06; antonosika: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party 1275991;1442374219;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: and ought to be on the www << cool, added it under the links section for the time being. when I get the v documentation complete, etc, i'll create a section for V itself. 1275992;1442374238;mircea_popescu;nah, you can't argue that. doesn't matter who it's from. 1275993;1442374275;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what is 'undercard' ? 1275994;1442374301;asciilifeform;sometimes i half-wonder if BingoBoingo is posting from a parallel world 1275995;1442374307;asciilifeform;not the one mircea_popescu lives in, but yet another 1275996;1442374307;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9_ZjcWgAAMGXT.png:large << the only thing this graph shows is the loss of relevancy of the measurements, and perhaps the infiltration of internet discourse by astroturf. 1275997;1442374308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWhepX ) 1275998;1442374314;mircea_popescu;but mostly the former. 1275999;1442374324;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, he goes on to agree with BingoBoingo, that the sender is not the "long party" 1276000;1442374330;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The fights not in the event title. This event's title is Mayweather-Berto. And yet fights serving as the prelude much better. 1276001;1442374356;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron well that much is right. the sender don't enter into it, the long party is whoever can sign with that sig. 1276002;1442374366;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu, he goes on to agree with BingoBoingo, that the sender is not the "long party" << I never talked on who is what party. I just was on people with keys are parties. Without keys STFU. 1276003;1442374370;mircea_popescu;i thought you meant the other way 1276004;1442374394;BingoBoingo; sometimes i half-wonder if BingoBoingo is posting from a parallel world << Sometimes. Maybe? 1276005;1442374409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00075636 = 4.3869 BTC [-] 1276006;1442374415;mircea_popescu;poor guy tho. it must suck to lock yourself out of what must in context be a fortune, have nothing but yourself to blame, and live among idiots dedicated to upholding the proposition you must find a scapegoat. 1276007;1442374425;danielpbarron;I meant to point out that his latest interpretation contradicts his past 1276008;1442374432;asciilifeform;3 btc is a fortune now ?! 1276009;1442374444;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 80 nao 1276010;1442374450;asciilifeform;iirc fella was in sweden 1276011;1442374453;mircea_popescu;no see, we live in 2016. everything's worthless but for WHAT ITS POTENTIAL IS 1276012;1442374470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45794 @ 0.00075595 = 34.618 BTC [-] {3} 1276013;1442374472;mircea_popescu;in losing THE POTENTIAL of those magical 3 btc the guy lost more than a medieval man losing his soul. 1276014;1442374475;asciilifeform;l0l 1276015;1442374486;asciilifeform;he could go and buy 3 more, no ? 1276016;1442374495;mircea_popescu;but NOT THOSE ONES 1276017;1442374506;*;asciilifeform thoroughly perplexed 1276018;1442374511;mircea_popescu;"so what if you rape and kill her, she hasa sister right ?" 1276019;1442374529;asciilifeform;mod6: laugh if you will, but that graph doesn't fit on my display 1276020;1442374542;mircea_popescu;or, as in that epic ro joke, gypsy woman comes before her husband holding by the arm an incredibly dirty kid 1276021;1442374547;mircea_popescu;"do we wash it or make another ?" 1276022;1442374729;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275822 << mass = inertia. she can shoot more gun than you can!!1 1276023;1442374729;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 01:40:34; BingoBoingo: Not that the average 'Murican hamplanet could actually use a firearm in conflict with effectiveness 1276024;1442374749;asciilifeform;recoil-dampener aha 1276025;1442374764;asciilifeform;sorta like the springs field artillery have 1276026;1442374788;BingoBoingo; ... << mass = inertia. she can shoot more gun than you can!!1 << plasticity of frame and mobility of weapon are over-riding considerations 1276027;1442374804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, hanbot, anyone else manually working through the patch history, don't miss http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1276028;1442374805;assbot;V_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1276029;1442374896;mircea_popescu;"A U.S. Air Force general on Monday cited what he called "alarming" moves by the Russian military to beef up its air forces in the years since the invasion of Georgia in 2008 and to establish firm defenses around areas like Crimea." 1276030;1442374913;mircea_popescu;aka, intel's back, if we send bombers we lose the bombers ; if we send carriers we lose the carriers. 1276031;1442374952;asciilifeform;the interesting tidbit in that one was kaliningrad 1276032;1442374969;mircea_popescu;why ? 1276033;1442374972;asciilifeform;aka knigsberg 1276034;1442374975;mircea_popescu;whole thing's pretty much a base. 1276035;1442374983;asciilifeform;like sevastopol. 1276036;1442374993;asciilifeform;usg, like any cheap thief, tries to steal what is bolted down poorest. 1276037;1442374995;asciilifeform;it's next. 1276038;1442375019;asciilifeform;expect a shitstorm re: how 'unfair' it is for ru to have this hongkong 1276039;1442375042;mircea_popescu;nah. ironically enough it's actually being overinvested. they don't mind. 1276040;1442375069;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275943 << this only WAS the case, briefly, a) because it enjoyed the niche created by "Steath" buzzstream, and b) pre missiles. 1276041;1442375069;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 02:58:13; BingoBoingo: Who'da thunk armor beats stealth in the air 1276042;1442375087;mircea_popescu;otherwise... a-10 goes pop just as well as the space station. 1276043;1442375135;BingoBoingo; otherwise... a-10 goes pop just as well as the space station. << Pops, but into survivable, repariable pieces normally with pilot intact 1276044;1442375161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275960 << why the fuck would you go in person to pick up your stolen bmw. 1276045;1442375161;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 03:16:48; pete_dushenski: The worst part? She was stuck with a $13,000 hospital bill for the pleasure." 1276046;1442375165;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: laugh if you will, but that graph doesn't fit on my display << it kinda doesn't on my default width on my notebook either. i have to zoom out a bit to see the full thing. :/ 1276047;1442375210;mod6;on my default phone browser too, the text in the nodes seems to bleed over the boundry. but it's ok with FF on my phone, and FF on my notebook 1276048;1442375242;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: what, impound lots have delivery services in ro ? cuz this isn't a thing elsewhere 1276049;1442375248;mod6;it says "make sure you're using v.18 of As_svg" and I'm using .23, but.. dunno yet on that one. 1276050;1442375273;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski generally you send a junior lawyer. 1276051;1442375300;*;pete_dushenski makes note of this for future reference 1276052;1442375304;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1276053;1442375323;mircea_popescu;cuz they're always fucking far, and always contentious etc. otherwise you blow a day. 1276054;1442375351;asciilifeform;waiwat 1276055;1442375362;asciilifeform;was this a case of It Was Always In My Family (tm) ? 1276056;1442375385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88650 @ 0.00075861 = 67.2508 BTC [+] {3} 1276057;1442375392;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-08-2015#1248905 << as in these 1276058;1442375392;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 21:20:54; mircea_popescu: now suppose i "own" the same, "in the family", but my family is a bunch of poor peasants from honduras. 1276059;1442375425;mircea_popescu;no idea. 1276060;1442375504;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3kya1n/bitcoinxt_firmly_rejected_by_miners_as_0_xt_mined/ << lol @ the derpage. 1276061;1442375506;assbot;BitcoinXT firmly rejected by miners as 0 XT mined blocks in past week. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LfPRbm ) 1276062;1442375513;mircea_popescu;". I would expect the big Chinese miner operations to already be compatible with big blocks." 1276063;1442375524;mircea_popescu;redditard KNOWS the true meta-truth hidden behind the merely perceptible truth. 1276064;1442375574;mircea_popescu;but i lolled at the davout / stolfi exchange. 1276065;1442375622;asciilifeform;i thought the 'meta' version was where hearn ordered the nodes to lie and pretend to be ordinary phoundation machines 1276066;1442375630;asciilifeform;(iirc he did) 1276067;1442375738;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/IcLH6dl.jpg << dja know what the scariest thing about this pic is ? 1276068;1442375739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LfQ7XV ) 1276069;1442375757;mircea_popescu;that girl went "can you imagine wqha that smells like ?!" and i retorted "like nothing. none of that stuff rots." 1276070;1442375759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that it can be seen on EVERY PARKING LOT 1276071;1442375762;asciilifeform;in usa. 1276072;1442375764;asciilifeform;for realz. 1276073;1442376011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is like... and obama will order the atmosphere to lie and pretend it's global cooling. 1276074;1442376971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.00075459 = 73.1952 BTC [-] {7} 1276075;1442377581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00075364 = 29.0151 BTC [-] 1276076;1442378496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78950 @ 0.00075346 = 59.4857 BTC [-] {3} 1276077;1442378862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85848 @ 0.00075233 = 64.586 BTC [-] {6} 1276078;1442378923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81219 @ 0.00075387 = 61.2286 BTC [+] 1276079;1442379175;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1276080;1442379182;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 230.44, vol: 13136.25424796 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.579, vol: 6338.32943 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 231.33, vol: 6766.353474 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 240.0, vol: 0.93656349 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.274648, vol: 15104.36090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 231.6241, vol: 107.81899539 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 230.39788235, vol: 58.66011549 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1276081;1442379227;BingoBoingo;;;more 1276082;1442379227;gribble;231.335535801 1276083;1442379582;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com 1276084;1442379588;gribble;trilema.com is up 1276085;1442379597;asciilifeform;odd. 1276086;1442379602;asciilifeform;dead from here. 1276087;1442379614;asciilifeform;;;isup qntra.net 1276088;1442379620;gribble;qntra.net is up 1276089;1442379637;asciilifeform;ditto 1276090;1442379641;asciilifeform;?... 1276091;1442379645;BingoBoingo;^ 1276092;1442379655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00075387 = 22.6161 BTC [+] 1276093;1442380265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32798 @ 0.00075154 = 24.649 BTC [-] {2} 1276094;1442380624;mats;dns is fucky on this end 1276095;1442381119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185988 @ 0.0007501 = 139.5096 BTC [-] {7} 1276096;1442381180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65626 @ 0.00074864 = 49.1302 BTC [-] 1276097;1442381668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00074864 = 27.7371 BTC [-] 1276098;1442382289;pete_dushenski;"Jaguar is installing brainwave sensors adapted from NASA into the steering wheel of an XJ sedan, along with medical-grade heart and respiratory sensors in the seat. Together, the sensors would determine if the driver is focused on the road, dozing off, merely thinking about something else, or if the driver's stress level suddenly peaks." 1276099;1442382333;pete_dushenski;there are too many lulz in the auto space today. what is it, christmas ? 1276100;1442382391;pete_dushenski;now imagine that your car or your phone or your computer shuts down for no apparent reason because it 'detected' that you were drowsy and that it wasn't 'safe' for you to continue operation 1276101;1442382421;pete_dushenski;fuck, your coffee maker could do the same. wouldn't that be ironic. 1276102;1442382522;pete_dushenski;and really, if your jag can tell that you're thinking about little boys, what's it gonna do, load up fresh gps coordinates and aim you at the nearest bible school to cleanse you of your sins ? (or provide a means of satisfying your earthly urges?) 1276103;1442382597;pete_dushenski;honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ? 1276104;1442382622;pete_dushenski;if you can't think about the meeting you're driving to AND merge lanes, you're too dumb to be on the road. 1276105;1442382627;pete_dushenski;go take an uber 1276106;1442382705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00074864 = 84.5215 BTC [-] 1276107;1442383803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52242 @ 0.00075614 = 39.5023 BTC [+] {3} 1276108;1442384230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48386 @ 0.00075981 = 36.7642 BTC [+] {3} 1276109;1442384390;punkman;http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150915-irving-ninth-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece 1276110;1442384391;assbot;Irving 9th-grader arrested after taking homemade clock to school: 'So you tried to make a bomb?' | Dallas Morning News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEZNv9 ) 1276111;1442384901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89717 @ 0.00074845 = 67.1487 BTC [-] {4} 1276112;1442385171;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMsYBp8WgAAxFGi.jpg:large :D 1276113;1442385172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QF0S6m ) 1276114;1442385206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35608 @ 0.00076012 = 27.0664 BTC [+] 1276115;1442385816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00074804 = 37.589 BTC [-] {3} 1276116;1442386243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151143 @ 0.00076021 = 114.9004 BTC [+] {3} 1276117;1442386670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00074765 = 28.7845 BTC [-] {2} 1276118;1442387099;punkman;http://www.pcworld.com/article/2983015/hardware/xerox-parcs-new-chip-will-self-destruct-in-10-seconds.html 1276119;1442387100;assbot;Xerox PARC's new chip will self destruct in 10 seconds | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNX7jD ) 1276120;1442387280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191800 @ 0.00074699 = 143.2727 BTC [-] {3} 1276121;1442387707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.00074643 = 39.4488 BTC [-] {3} 1276122;1442388368;copypaste;hello, is trilema.com down for anyone else? 1276123;1442388378;copypaste;i receive SERVERROR from DNS 1276124;1442388382;copypaste;both my ISP DNS and 8.8.8.8 1276125;1442388424;punkman;copypaste: there was a ddos going on 1276126;1442388445;copypaste;http://pastie.org/10422989 1276127;1442388446;assbot;#10422989 - Pastie ... ( http://bit.ly/1gq3KGW ) 1276128;1442388451;copypaste;why would DDoS invalidate A record? 1276129;1442388474;copypaste;i guess maybe if Mircea unset the A record to try to stop the attack, but if the attacker already knows the target IP that won't help. 1276130;1442388487;copypaste;anyway, thank you :) i'll waiting until it comes back. good to know it isn's tjust me. 1276131;1442388622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69151 @ 0.00075744 = 52.3777 BTC [+] {3} 1276132;1442388805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00074593 = 33.0447 BTC [-] 1276133;1442390803;punkman;http://fusion.net/story/191773/i-created-a-fake-business-and-fooled-thousands-of-people-into-thinking-it-was-real/ 1276134;1442390804;assbot;I created a fake business and bought it an amazing online reputation | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuYhRd ) 1276135;1442390825;punkman;"Now that I’ve seen the Internet’s deception marketplace, it’s going to haunt me. When I see a review online, unless it’s written by someone I know and trust, I’m always going to be wondering whether I’m looking at a review from a satisfied customer or an undercover paid promoter." 1276136;1442391622;thestringpuller;Web of Trust based comments. This is probably why Facebook reviews are so highly sought by businesses. 1276137;1442391772;thestringpuller;LO FUCKING L https://www.bigblockbounty.com/ 1276138;1442391779;thestringpuller;this shit is better than a presedential election 1276139;1442392062;punkman;http://www.unknownfieldsdivision.com/projects.html lots of cool pictures here 1276140;1442392064;assbot;Unknown Fields Division - Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1iv0lIU ) 1276141;1442392282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30993 @ 0.0007517 = 23.2974 BTC [+] 1276142;1442393148;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276137 <<< reading this, it so smacks of desperation yet the author still has the delusion that bip101 is going to do a 360 and become standard. 1276143;1442393148;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 08:22:52; thestringpuller: LO FUCKING L https://www.bigblockbounty.com/ 1276144;1442393197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00075128 = 30.8776 BTC [-] 1276145;1442393401;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276070 <<< Ppl that do this are just nasty, it is quite common here yes. Usually the owner of said vehicle is obese, and a Evangelical Christian. 1276146;1442393401;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 03:55:59; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that it can be seen on EVERY PARKING LOT 1276147;1442393450;shinohai;Somewhere in the Bible it must say "Thou shalt not empty the trash from thy vehicle or thy living space. Thus saith the Lord." 1276148;1442393476;*;punkman has never seen trashcan-car 1276149;1442393495;shinohai;It's one of my peevs 1276150;1442393546;shinohai;Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have to live like a fucking animal. 1276151;1442393563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128450 @ 0.00075097 = 96.4621 BTC [-] {2} 1276152;1442393732;shinohai;I often wonder if it is evolution's way of pulling life-forms back in to the primordial soup from whence it came for recycling. 1276153;1442393865;thestringpuller;punkman: "trashcan-car" << i like it. 1276154;1442394007;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ? << I have always had sleep problems. As a kid would always fall asleep on car rides. And as an adult I seem to regularly fall asleep at the wheel and still get home. But this is super dangerous. I really need to just pull over and nap for a second or red bull it up like a trucker would do... 1276155;1442394076;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: qntra.net is down for me too. can anyone in US reach it? 1276156;1442394234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.0007517 = 51.529 BTC [+] 1276157;1442394811;shinohai;I can't reach qntra 1276158;1442394844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00075263 = 63.0704 BTC [+] {3} 1276159;1442394895;shinohai;;;isup qntra.net 1276160;1442394901;gribble;qntra.net is up 1276161;1442395088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48558 @ 0.00075303 = 36.5656 BTC [+] {3} 1276162;1442396186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54480 @ 0.00075077 = 40.9019 BTC [-] 1276163;1442396674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0007506 = 2.8523 BTC [-] {3} 1276164;1442396735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00075731 = 27.7933 BTC [+] 1276165;1442397406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9508 @ 0.00074972 = 7.1283 BTC [-] 1276166;1442397589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149250 @ 0.0007471 = 111.5047 BTC [-] {6} 1276167;1442397772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00075743 = 25.3739 BTC [+] {3} 1276168;1442398199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90550 @ 0.00074433 = 67.3991 BTC [-] {5} 1276169;1442399196;shinohai;;;later tell asciilifeform are there any realbtc nodes up? (assuming i don't resolve before you respond) 1276170;1442399197;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1276171;1442399724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.0007575 = 5.5676 BTC [+] 1276172;1442399785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.0007575 = 40.6778 BTC [+] 1276173;1442400029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121450 @ 0.00075753 = 92.002 BTC [+] {3} 1276174;1442400700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53977 @ 0.0007433 = 40.1211 BTC [-] {4} 1276175;1442400761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21573 @ 0.00074301 = 16.029 BTC [-] 1276176;1442400763;danielpbarron;shinohai, mine's up to block 346519 1276177;1442400920;shinohai;danielpbarron: may I connect to urs ? 1276178;1442401615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73800 @ 0.00075563 = 55.7655 BTC [+] 1276179;1442401690;danielpbarron;shinohai, ya 1276180;1442401859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00075755 = 11.0602 BTC [+] 1276181;1442401891;shinohai;pm ip pl0x? 1276182;1442402161;danielpbarron;just whois me 1276183;1442402774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00075563 = 16.6616 BTC [-] 1276184;1442402957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28134 @ 0.00075313 = 21.1886 BTC [-] {3} 1276185;1442403689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88686 @ 0.00074271 = 65.868 BTC [-] {4} 1276186;1442404238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00075728 = 14.464 BTC [+] 1276187;1442404360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00074487 = 37.2435 BTC [-] 1276188;1442404881;shinohai;ok had to reboot danielpbarron but connected 1276189;1442404885;shinohai;thx 1276190;1442405641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111400 @ 0.00074272 = 82.739 BTC [-] {3} 1276191;1442405824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2825 @ 0.00074505 = 2.1048 BTC [+] {2} 1276192;1442405885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68975 @ 0.00075201 = 51.8699 BTC [+] 1276193;1442405969;punkman;https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0" 1276194;1442405970;assbot;Zerodium (@Zerodium) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ivsTlI ) 1276195;1442407166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42679 @ 0.00074174 = 31.6567 BTC [-] {3} 1276196;1442407471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54450 @ 0.00074881 = 40.7727 BTC [+] 1276197;1442407701;mod6;i've got 374802 1276198;1442407731;mod6;;;bc,stats 1276199;1442407735;gribble;Current Blocks: 374802 | Current Difficulty: 5.695764845501001E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 374975 | Next Difficulty In: 173 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1276200;1442407757;punkman;mod6: falling behind? 1276201;1442407783;mod6;this one has been up to date everytime I've checked it. like 1x per day. 1276202;1442407797;mod6;never an issue. 1276203;1442407815;punkman;except today? 1276204;1442407836;punkman;ah never mind, misread numbers 1276205;1442407837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25510 @ 0.00074881 = 19.1021 BTC [+] 1276206;1442407843;mod6;np 1276207;1442407959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55519 @ 0.0007502 = 41.6504 BTC [+] {3} 1276208;1442408081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40381 @ 0.00075608 = 30.5313 BTC [+] 1276209;1442408317;punkman;http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-and-indonesia-begin-cloud-seeding-to-fight-haze-how-cloud-seeding-works 1276210;1442408320;assbot;Malaysia and Indonesia begin cloud seeding to fight haze: How cloud seeding works, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lgyyqw ) 1276211;1442408655;shinohai;mod6: mine finally connected to dpb after a few hiccups 1276212;1442408688;shinohai;I have this weird bug that if I add or change ip's I have to reboot. 1276213;1442408691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00075038 = 38.6446 BTC [-] {3} 1276214;1442409423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00074174 = 36.1227 BTC [-] {2} 1276215;1442409606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82285 @ 0.00075755 = 62.335 BTC [+] 1276216;1442409757;punkman;"Cryptome and JY use a slew of PKs and IDs other than those compromised. Many one-time. For mutual protection, to expire, isolate, expunge." "Few of Cryptome and JY PKs are on manipulable key servers. And none via transgressable WoT or cryptoparty. More signs cloak imposters." 1276217;1442410033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212300 @ 0.00074129 = 157.3759 BTC [-] {6} 1276218;1442410187;punkman;"very interested to see what details (if any) emerge from @cryptomeorg regarding its supposed key compromise." Answer: "Suspects: Truecrypt, SCS in DC, PGP flaw, all the other usuals." 1276219;1442410574;Azelphur;Gotta love Korean Engrish eBay sellers "Hello, I'd like to buy 4 of your monitors, give me a discount" "Ok, I'll do them for $530.90" *Submits offer of $530.90* *eBay seller submits counter offer of $575* 1276220;1442410714;punkman;Azelphur: what does $500 get you from korea these days? 1276221;1442410725;Azelphur;40" 4k 1276222;1442410760;punkman;what resolution is that? 1276223;1442410781;Azelphur;3840 X 2160 1276224;1442410826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6565 @ 0.00075755 = 4.9733 BTC [+] {2} 1276225;1442410887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277542 @ 0.00075317 = 209.0363 BTC [-] {8} 1276226;1442410986;punkman;https://zmap.io/synful/ 1276227;1442410987;assbot;In Search of SYNful Routers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow6hNO ) 1276228;1442411443;kakobrekla;punkman i do not recommend those slightly-cheaper-way-worse screens at all. 1276229;1442411470;punkman;kakobrekla: I'd have bought some of the cheap 27" korean monitors but I'd get fucked at customs, so not yet 1276230;1442411504;kakobrekla;i bought five of those you speak 1276231;1442411511;kakobrekla;gave them away and bought five dells 1276232;1442411545;punkman;Dell is not slightly more expensive though, was double the price last time I checked 1276233;1442411568;kakobrekla;i ended up paying 50-100 more per screen at the end of the day. 1276234;1442411606;mod6;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al: check it out, I also now have added who has signed which vpatch on-mouseover to http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1276235;1442411608;assbot;V_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1276236;1442411616;kakobrekla;and the difference is night and day, incomparable. 1276237;1442411640;punkman;mod6, can you also fit in some filenames on the edges of the graph? 1276238;1442411641;mod6;shinohai: ok cool! 1276239;1442411655;kakobrekla;punkman also later on i mange to fuck up two screens somehow (suspekt faulty dp cable) and i called in support, they delivered new ones without questions. 1276240;1442411657;mod6;punkman: what file names? for the sigs? 1276241;1442411672;punkman;mod6: filenames from the patches 1276242;1442411714;kakobrekla;meanwhile one of the korean screens came bent 1276243;1442411755;mod6;OH. i think what you're looking for is this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/v-tree-svg.html 1276244;1442411755;assbot;Untitled graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow7BAd ) 1276245;1442411803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19534 @ 0.00076306 = 14.9056 BTC [+] 1276246;1442411808;mod6;or is that not what you mean? i wanna keep the vpatch-nodes as uncluttered as possible. 1276247;1442411809;kakobrekla;perhaps 'curved' is a better term. 1276248;1442411811;punkman;mod6, yeah but they don't need to be separate nodes 1276249;1442411826;mod6;right, but you mean the actual changed filenames. 1276250;1442411854;punkman;maybe it could appear when you mouse over an edge, the files a patch "inherits" from a previous patch 1276251;1442411866;mod6;hmm. i'll think on it a bit. if i can make it happen with a mouse over that'd be ideal. i just don't want a static label though, because then it'd be too hard to read. 1276252;1442411882;mod6;<+punkman> maybe it could appear when you mouse over an edge, the files a patch "inherits" from a previous patch << exactly this 1276253;1442411920;punkman;if you can put a single character label on the edges, that'd work out 1276254;1442411987;punkman;kakobrekla: perhaps 'curved' is a better term. << free upgrade :P 1276255;1442412004;kakobrekla;not really the back light was all fucked 1276256;1442412011;kakobrekla;because of that. 1276257;1442412169;punkman;http://www.infowars.com/germany-austria-close-borders-schengen-agreement-under-pressure-will-war-emerge/ << some friends were passing through germany yesterday, had to spend like 5 hours near the border 1276258;1442412171;assbot;» Germany & Austria Close Borders — Schengen Agreement Under Pressure — Will War Emerge? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmOe6A ) 1276259;1442412229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42950 @ 0.00075114 = 32.2615 BTC [-] 1276260;1442412244;kakobrekla;here i was doing a comparison for korean cockroaches - bleeding fail: http://i.imgur.com/82Z88Nv.jpg 1276261;1442412244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmOh2h ) 1276262;1442412270;kakobrekla;and it was 'acceptable' for a day or two. i found out many more problems than this. 1276263;1442412282;Azelphur;kakobrekla: these monitors are nuts quality wise, you know tek syndicate? 1276264;1442412295;kakobrekla;nfi what that is 1276265;1442412308;Azelphur;kakobrekla: fairly well known youtube tech channel, reviews, linux stuff, etc 1276266;1442412329;kakobrekla;people were 'thrilled' about qnix back then too 1276267;1442412333;kakobrekla;utter garbage 1276268;1442412334;Azelphur;kakobrekla: summary from tek syndicate, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o553bTyFElQ&t=8m30s :) 1276269;1442412335;assbot;Affordable 39" 4k Gaming Monitor - The AMH A399U - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow8AAy ) 1276270;1442412347;kakobrekla;MAYBE you can get away if you use a single monitor and get lucky 1276271;1442412367;kakobrekla;i have a color calibrator and i couldnt get these to sync color no matter what i did 1276272;1442412369;Azelphur;kakobrekla: amusingly I actually have 4 of the Matrix (Very similar to the QNIX) right now 1276273;1442412377;kakobrekla;i hooked up 5 dells, they were all same. 1276274;1442412420;kakobrekla;such garbage i felt bad selling them , so i just gave them away for free. 1276275;1442412438;Azelphur;I'm selling mine lol, should net about £600 for my current four 1276276;1442412452;kakobrekla;this way a year or more ago i think. 1276277;1442412459;*;Azelphur shrugs 1276278;1442412470;Azelphur;yea I mean I already have people lined up to take mine off my hands 1276279;1442412490;Azelphur;so much so I think there will be a bidding war, haven't even posted it on eBay but I have 3 people wanting to buy a total of 6 monitors >.< 1276280;1442412857;kakobrekla;punkman - upgrade : http://imgur.com/FxpoZEB 1276281;1442412857;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow9wVp ) 1276282;1442413061;thestringpuller;Azelphur old friend. 1276283;1442413095;*;Azelphur waves 1276284;1442413205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39184 @ 0.00075114 = 29.4327 BTC [-] 1276285;1442413388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00074716 = 28.6162 BTC [-] {2} 1276286;1442413571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15532 @ 0.00075114 = 11.6667 BTC [+] 1276287;1442413691;thestringpuller;I really liked when you helped me buy that raspberry pi 1276288;1442413703;thestringpuller;use that a lot now 1276289;1442413710;thestringpuller;3.4 BTC XD 1276290;1442413792;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276216 << link ?? 1276291;1442413792;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:22:37; punkman: "Cryptome and JY use a slew of PKs and IDs other than those compromised. Many one-time. For mutual protection, to expire, isolate, expunge." "Few of Cryptome and JY PKs are on manipulable key servers. And none via transgressable WoT or cryptoparty. More signs cloak imposters." 1276292;1442413814;punkman;asciilifeform: from cryptome twitter 1276293;1442413823;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276169 << zoolag is up, and mircea_popescu's node is (last i checked) up 1276294;1442413823;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 10:26:36; shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform are there any realbtc nodes up? (assuming i don't resolve before you respond) 1276295;1442414175;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276193 << scan until proven otherwise. 1276296;1442414175;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 12:19:29; punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0" 1276297;1442414182;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276193 << *scam until proven otherwise. 1276298;1442414182;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 12:19:29; punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0" 1276299;1442414216;asciilifeform;and the proof is an impossibility. 1276300;1442414218;asciilifeform;hence, snore. 1276301;1442414305;shinohai;thx 1276302;1442414306;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276242 << THIS is why i only buy 'eizo' panels. 1276303;1442414306;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:55:14; kakobrekla: meanwhile one of the korean screens came bent 1276304;1442414343;asciilifeform;the only two makers of lcd that i ever saw making anything other than disposable garbage are eizo and barco. 1276305;1442414365;asciilifeform;everything else, regardless of price, makes my eyes bleed. 1276306;1442414672;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276234 << here's an idea: why not make the 'signed by' mouseover appear over the ~arrows~, while files-changed appears when mousing over the nodes. 1276307;1442414672;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:53:26; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al: check it out, I also now have added who has signed which vpatch on-mouseover to http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1276308;1442414722;asciilifeform;the only other change i'd make is to have leaf nodes glued to the top of the graph 1276309;1442414771;asciilifeform;(asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch for instance is buried in the middle, but it is a leaf) 1276310;1442414803;asciilifeform;belongs side by side with asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch 1276311;1442414816;kakobrekla;the screen being bent is not a common problem 1276312;1442414826;kakobrekla;the screen being shit (and electronics in it) is. 1276313;1442414827;mod6;right. ok good point asciilifeform 1276314;1442414840;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: those panels look like shit even when virginal 1276315;1442414849;asciilifeform;~and~ tend to have 30Hz refresh 1276316;1442414866;mod6;so as far as the signed by.. i felt like it made more since to go along with the text in the node. instead of the edge, but maybe im wrong there. 1276317;1442414871;mod6;i'll see what I can do. 1276318;1442414886;asciilifeform;files-changed could just as well go in the arrow's mouseover 1276319;1442414930;kakobrekla;asciilifeform correct, so i guess the bent thing isnt really why you buy 'eizo' only :) 1276320;1442414933;kakobrekla;anyway, forget it. 1276321;1442414990;mod6;<+asciilifeform> files-changed could just as well go in the arrow's mouseover << ok, i just got this working. pretty much the same layout as it is when you check descendents explicitly. 1276322;1442415092;asciilifeform;http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/15/paypal-quietly-re-enters-online-gaming.html << l0ltr0nic 1276323;1442415094;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRRTjn ) 1276324;1442415111;asciilifeform;mod6: neato 1276325;1442415198;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-15/why-hewlett-packard-just-fired-another-30000 << usg burns a bit of furniture 1276326;1442415199;assbot;This Is Why Hewlett-Packard Just Fired Another 30,000 | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRRZHI ) 1276327;1442415301;mircea_popescu;heh. lemme guess, that fiorina chick did such an amazing woman job the company's fucked now. 1276328;1442415301;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1276329;1442415328;asciilifeform;mod6: i only see one filename in the arrow mouseovers 1276330;1442415343;mod6;yeah, thats atm. i haven't updated it yet. 1276331;1442415347;asciilifeform;ah 1276332;1442415402;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com 1276333;1442415407;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276103 << they can, therefore they must. 1276334;1442415407;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 05:49:57; pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ? 1276335;1442415408;gribble;trilema.com is up 1276336;1442415422;asciilifeform;'isup' officially worthless 1276337;1442415440;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what did you think ddos meant ? 1276338;1442415482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idk, let's see the chart ? 1276339;1442415504;mircea_popescu;which chart ? 1276340;1442415511;asciilifeform;bw/time 1276341;1442415555;mircea_popescu;idk, who even cares anymore. over 10, prolly under 100 1276342;1442415594;asciilifeform;ddos artist can saturate arbitrary pipe for less than it costs usg to house one prisoner. 1276343;1442415642;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1276344;1442415689;asciilifeform;which is why the days of items hosted on just one box and handed out to the beoble just for the asking, are numbered. 1276345;1442415700;asciilifeform;at least with respect to us. 1276346;1442415745;asciilifeform;the way it oughta work is, knock on one of 10,001 doors with signed packet, then get to talk. not before, and not otherwise. 1276347;1442415766;mircea_popescu;yes yes they are numbered. 1276348;1442415771;mircea_popescu;now what ? 1276349;1442415774;shinohai;;;isup qntra.net 1276350;1442415779;gribble;qntra.net is up 1276351;1442415789;shinohai;kek 1276352;1442415792;asciilifeform;how does that thing work anyway 1276353;1442415800;punkman;it doesn't work 1276354;1442415811;asciilifeform;no shit 1276355;1442415816;mircea_popescu;afaik it calls "down for everyone" or w/e it was 1276356;1442415849;mircea_popescu;http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/qntra.net 1276357;1442415854;mircea_popescu;apparently not. 1276358;1442415866;mircea_popescu;maybe it just calls "echo $x is up" lol 1276359;1442415892;asciilifeform;'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google. 1276360;1442415949;mircea_popescu;.... 1276361;1442415989;asciilifeform;egregious public masturbation by usg 1276362;1442415989;mircea_popescu;wtf is google, the employer of syria and you're their parents and let's make an employee roth ira ?! 1276363;1442416022;mod6;asciilifeform: anyway, the last edge isn't cooperating hehe. I'll have to mess around with this later, I'll let you all know when there is another update. 1276364;1442416022;kakobrekla;gribble timeouts after 5 sec, isup.me doesnt resolve qntra for longer than that 1276365;1442416130;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276129 << i wasn't giving a shit then, either, for one thing. for the other ;; ANSWER SECTION: qntra.net.0INA188.68.240.165 so i dunno, maybe dns sucked then ? no idea. 1276366;1442416130;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 07:27:54; copypaste: i guess maybe if Mircea unset the A record to try to stop the attack, but if the attacker already knows the target IP that won't help. 1276367;1442416200;mircea_popescu;but it occurs to me mebbe i should get a box with the dudes hosting this guy. 1276368;1442416211;mircea_popescu;copypaste who was it again ? 1276369;1442416212;shinohai;^_________________^ 1276370;1442416230;mircea_popescu;shinohai it won 1276371;1442416247;shinohai;it? 1276372;1442416248;mircea_popescu;t, conceivably, do anything about ddos. but i was looking for a place to host nsa if you recall. 1276373;1442416318;shinohai;Oh yes, poor phuctor is still down :( 1276374;1442416345;asciilifeform;shinohai: it presently has no home. 1276375;1442416383;mircea_popescu;"If the reward isn't earned by 2016-02-11 00:00:00 UTC, it will be split evenly between NoiseTor and OpenBazaar." 1276376;1442416389;mircea_popescu;bwahaha gtfo. stupid ass scams. 1276377;1442416395;shinohai;I know, my rss feed stopped working and I saw you discussing it. 1276378;1442416467;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276142 << it's the ONLY retarded soup they got fed in school. 1276379;1442416467;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 08:45:48; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276137 <<< reading this, it so smacks of desperation yet the author still has the delusion that bip101 is going to do a 360 and become standard. 1276380;1442416507;mircea_popescu;cinderella gotta win because she was indicated by the scriptwriter as the good thing. he has this mental ability, to watch reality like it were hollywood fiction, and identify what the script writer means 1276381;1442416520;mircea_popescu;american genre savvy for a cold, cold world THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW ITSELF WORKS!!11 1276382;1442416542;mircea_popescu;but dontcha mind it little girl, do something stupid and google will match it! 1276383;1442416570;mircea_popescu;after all, that's what they've been doing throughout your life so far! you ask something dumb in the box, it pretends like it's a question and it pretrends like it has answers. 1276384;1442416590;mircea_popescu;selected! just for you! 1276385;1442416648;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276367 << which ? 1276386;1442416648;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 15:10:00; mircea_popescu: but it occurs to me mebbe i should get a box with the dudes hosting this guy. 1276387;1442416652;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276150 << you got it backwards. being a fucking animal DOES mean you must be poor. because poverty is earned. 1276388;1442416652;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 08:52:26; shinohai: Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have to live like a fucking animal. 1276389;1442416666;mircea_popescu;people keep going on about how riches aren't, at least some of the time, earned. big fucking whoop. 1276390;1442416672;mircea_popescu;the issue is, poverty is always earned. 1276391;1442416678;mircea_popescu;and it's hard fucking work being that fucking dumb. 1276392;1442416696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform copypaste fellow, runs that chan thing 1276393;1442416702;asciilifeform;ah 1276394;1442416729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the funny part is that i know folks who are not in any usual sense poor (as in, lacking for money) with car like that. 1276395;1442416756;mircea_popescu;sure, unrelated concerns 1276396;1442416780;asciilifeform;u.s. folk tend to spend astonishing amounts of time in their cars, and they begin to resemble their usual dwellings 1276397;1442416807;*;mircea_popescu looks around 1276398;1442416809;asciilifeform;while the traditional path to bumhood nearly always involves a stage of 'live in your car' 1276399;1442416817;mircea_popescu;nope, no food containers. because... my food doesn't come in containers. 1276400;1442416827;*;asciilifeform ditto 1276401;1442416834;mircea_popescu;dude wtf does that mean, "live in your car". 1276402;1442416840;mircea_popescu;like, where's the shower, in your car. 1276403;1442416847;mircea_popescu;where's the kitchen, in your car. 1276404;1442416857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it means that a fella who went flat broke will sell his house, his clothes, and only lastly the car. 1276405;1442416862;lobbes;no need for showers when bum 1276406;1442416865;asciilifeform;kitchen ahahahahahaha 1276407;1442416866;mircea_popescu;are these men so utterly sexed they "live" where they sleep, because they always sleep "at home" ? 1276408;1442416923;asciilifeform;as described by orlov, even; the reason why the car is sold last of all is that without it, no money. 1276409;1442416931;asciilifeform;as in, no possibility of earning a wage 1276410;1442416937;asciilifeform;for typical schmuck 1276411;1442416938;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276193 << heh. i wonder if microsoft matches that. 1276412;1442416938;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 12:19:29; punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0" 1276413;1442416960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno who'd hire that. 1276414;1442416973;asciilifeform;Sellbrooklynbridgeodium 1276415;1442417007;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who'd hire what? a hobo? plenty of folks, so long as he finds a place he can sneak into and wash 1276416;1442417038;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276216 << none of this reads credible, ftr. 1276417;1442417038;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:22:37; punkman: "Cryptome and JY use a slew of PKs and IDs other than those compromised. Many one-time. For mutual protection, to expire, isolate, expunge." "Few of Cryptome and JY PKs are on manipulable key servers. And none via transgressable WoT or cryptoparty. More signs cloak imposters." 1276418;1442417063;asciilifeform;it actually reads very much like j.y.'s drivel on crypto ml 1276419;1442417063;punkman;mircea_popescu: I'm sure meta-JY doesn't even use PGP for windows 1276420;1442417070;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1276421;1442417079;mircea_popescu;in an excel spreadsheet. 1276422;1442417104;mircea_popescu;"transgressable WoT" ? da fuck is that even supposed to be. 1276423;1442417131;punkman;maybe he meant traversable 1276424;1442417142;mircea_popescu;maybe he meant his mother's half price till xmas. 1276425;1442417160;thestringpuller;http://dpaste.com/0TMHA7C.txt << #bitcoinxt stupid 1276426;1442417180;thestringpuller;person claims Coinbase et. al will use consumer deposits to finance their side of the hard fork war 1276427;1442417184;thestringpuller;scandalous as shit. 1276428;1442417244;mircea_popescu;you know, this "fiction as reality/reality as fiction" approach fits the usian behaviour remarkably well. they "feel bad for animals" because they think the superset of "animals" is in a disnety cartoon / the guy in a suit at disney world. as above, the lost XT imbecile imagines he has identified in a putative script of an imaginary film of reality the chekov gun, and so therefore, economy of means, bip 101 necessarily 1276429;1442417244;mircea_popescu; will happen because things can't just go to waste (in fiction - nevermind that in reality 99% of everything exists as waste and that includes his entire existence) 1276430;1442417277;mircea_popescu;these schmucks doing "op security" like it is a sort of literotica novella, you know, "transgressable WoT". what, is it not a word ? 1276431;1442417284;mircea_popescu;it's a word! it's in a book! all is well! 1276432;1442417311;asciilifeform;11:15 < thestringpuller> Users didn't sign up to have their coins sold on the open market to finance a war... 1276433;1442417312;asciilifeform;11:15 < Aquentin> dude, they a proxy for the users 1276434;1442417312;asciilifeform;11:15 < Aquentin> and the users support bip101, some 80%... so saying bitpay or coinbase is a shortcut for saying users would... 1276435;1442417314;asciilifeform;^ gold. 1276436;1442417331;mircea_popescu;hey, it's how usg works! 1276437;1442417337;asciilifeform;how else. 1276438;1442417345;mircea_popescu;i have little doubt this is exactly what they'd do 1276439;1442417350;mircea_popescu;fortunately nobody uses them. 1276440;1442417373;mircea_popescu;(actually, for all you know aquentin fellow got this brilliant idea by reading teh logs, im pretty sure it was discussed coupla months back) 1276441;1442417385;asciilifeform;more than once. 1276442;1442417417;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276218 << i am still "very interested" to hear the details that emerge from the "thorough investigation" Freenode promised back the first time imbecile usg tried to disrupt b-a. 1276443;1442417417;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:29:47; punkman: "very interested to see what details (if any) emerge from @cryptomeorg regarding its supposed key compromise." Answer: "Suspects: Truecrypt, SCS in DC, PGP flaw, all the other usuals." 1276444;1442417423;asciilifeform;standard buterin's waterfall. 1276445;1442417449;punkman;asciilifeform: any clue what "SCS in DC" might be? 1276446;1442417468;mircea_popescu;speshul comm services ? 1276447;1442417495;asciilifeform;'special collections service' 1276448;1442417545;punkman;butts https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPBXTsSWwAAmbX7.jpg:large 1276449;1442417545;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Of2Mfs ) 1276450;1442417560;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you once said bitcoin will get rid of the stupid by pushing the 99% of garbage and waste so far underground we don't have to deal with it. Can this happen sooner plz? 1276451;1442417588;mircea_popescu;no. this is how it looks. 1276452;1442417602;mircea_popescu;they sit around agreeing with each other on reddit. that is what it is. 1276453;1442417674;thestringpuller;ah. i recall on trilema (which i can't access right now due to DDOS or something), the bitcoiner's press guide: "Ignore them, they don't matter." Guess this applies to the garbage as well. 1276454;1442417703;mircea_popescu;well you know, you wanna im with derps, you get what they got. if you didn't want any, talk to someone else. 1276455;1442417705;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the annoying thing is that this will need to happen, apparently, at the packet level. 1276456;1442417713;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: and a bit sooner than expected. 1276457;1442417753;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276223 << in argentina the same 500 (in their estimation) gets you 15" 1.4k. 1276458;1442417753;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:39:41; Azelphur: 3840 X 2160 1276459;1442417763;mircea_popescu;socialist implementation of "respeto por el trabajador" 1276460;1442417783;asciilifeform;actually that korean piece of shit is ~the~ implementation of 'respeto por el trabajador' 1276461;1442417795;asciilifeform;i'd take a 1993 vga crt over it. 1276462;1442417841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170811 @ 0.00076519 = 130.7029 BTC [+] {8} 1276463;1442417856;mircea_popescu;o.O 1276464;1442417871;asciilifeform;with lcd panels, as everything else, nobody cancelled the old adage 'tanstaafl' 1276465;1442417906;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276234 << shit now i gotta change my browser. svg fails to render ;/ 1276466;1442417906;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:53:26; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al: check it out, I also now have added who has signed which vpatch on-mouseover to http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1276467;1442417907;asciilifeform;(pronounce like Schutzstaffel !) 1276468;1442417947;mod6;oh dang, mircea_popescu. and it did render before? 1276469;1442417956;mircea_popescu;nah. 1276470;1442417973;asciilifeform;sorta why i liked the ascii art one 1276471;1442417977;mircea_popescu;i was trying to not care before. 1276472;1442417985;mod6;oh 1276473;1442418032;mod6;yeah, i see what you mean. 1276474;1442418064;mod6;i'll see what I can do about getting a ascii one generated too. 1276475;1442418067;mircea_popescu;anyway, looks great on firefox. 1276476;1442418072;mircea_popescu;nah, dun bother. 1276477;1442418088;mircea_popescu;svg gotta work that's all there is to it. ima see what i can possibly do. 1276478;1442418153;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276260 << don't those stupid ass power leds bother you ? 1276479;1442418153;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 14:04:04; kakobrekla: here i was doing a comparison for korean cockroaches - bleeding fail: http://i.imgur.com/82Z88Nv.jpg 1276480;1442418165;asciilifeform;i turn mine off. 1276481;1442418171;mircea_popescu;they got those things to where they came right off a tanning bed by now, i gotta run around with ductape and put TWELVE LAYERS on everything 1276482;1442418177;asciilifeform;(decent panels let you do so without desoldering) 1276483;1442418178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i turned some off with a clipper also. 1276484;1442418182;kakobrekla;i taped them over for the few days i had those things installed 1276485;1442418206;mircea_popescu;i do not believe in cosmetic interventions to remedy defects. i'd much rather take out a bad led like that with a red hot poker 1276486;1442418227;kakobrekla;why take out led if not keeping screen 1276487;1442418234;kakobrekla;let somebody else bother with it. 1276488;1442418235;mircea_popescu;right, those i tape. 1276489;1442418255;mircea_popescu;just, you know, imagine my face when it shone through one layer of duct tape ff 1276490;1442418266;kakobrekla;lol 1276491;1442418289;mircea_popescu;wtf must be going on in these people's heads, "5 lumen, ok led, 165 lumen, BEST LED!11" 1276492;1442418297;kakobrekla;more IS better 1276493;1442418319;kakobrekla;large amount of phone number also. 1276494;1442418321;mircea_popescu;why not just put some plutonium. cherenkov effect makes air blue!11 1276495;1442418322;asciilifeform;one more thing 'eizo' got right. 1276496;1442418327;mircea_popescu;i guess it's because you can't turn that off huh. 1276497;1442418330;asciilifeform;where everyone else shat pants 1276498;1442418373;mircea_popescu;the ONLY reason leds ever got to be popular is that they had DISCREET light originally. ie, you couldn't really tell with a proper light on. 1276499;1442418378;pete_dushenski;eh apple cinema displays ain't so bad, just... apple 1276500;1442418393;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: every single one i ever saw in person was terrible 1276501;1442418399;asciilifeform;srsly, glossy lcd !!!!? 1276502;1442418401;asciilifeform;fuck that. 1276503;1442418412;pete_dushenski;glossy ? oh that's only the new ones. 1276504;1442418416;pete_dushenski;yes, terrible things. 1276505;1442418421;asciilifeform;the old ones were terrible also. 1276506;1442418435;asciilifeform;expensive, sure. but eyes bleed. 1276507;1442418452;pete_dushenski;eyes bleed ? 1276508;1442418461;asciilifeform;yes. if you're used to proper lcd. 1276509;1442418483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276271 << 0.5th world problems!!1 1276510;1442418483;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 14:06:07; kakobrekla: i have a color calibrator and i couldnt get these to sync color no matter what i did 1276511;1442418486;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how do oyu feel about DLP? 1276512;1442418494;kakobrekla;im happy with my dells. as for the button, its so dim i cant tell if its painted or lit 1276513;1442418508;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: got one in the bedroom. a nice one, too. but wouldn't dream of using it for actual work. 1276514;1442418525;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is strictly for watching films 1276515;1442418574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47126 @ 0.00075992 = 35.812 BTC [-] {2} 1276516;1442418593;kakobrekla;well if you have more than 1 screen and colors are off, its annoying and it gets progressively more annoying with the screen count 1276517;1442418605;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: and last i checked, there is precisely one maker of usable (solid-state light source) large dlp machines, also. 1276518;1442418610;asciilifeform;of all people... casio. 1276519;1442418613;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/come-see-what-positive-affirmative-etc-mean/ 1276520;1442418614;assbot;Come see what "positive", "affirmative" etc mean! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmYn34 ) 1276521;1442418618;mircea_popescu;ok there we go. 1276522;1442418628;thestringpuller;i thought TI also had a market in DLP too 1276523;1442418635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48474 @ 0.00075125 = 36.4161 BTC [-] {2} 1276524;1442418640;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: they only make the chip 1276525;1442418644;mircea_popescu;!up ghtdak 1276526;1442418647;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i'm speaking of the entire projector 1276527;1442418657;kakobrekla;because white is green on one screen, yellow on the other, green on the third and red on the fourth 1276528;1442418666;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1276529;1442418688;mircea_popescu;watching full panel porn should be a pretty decent exercise in impresionism 1276530;1442418708;mircea_popescu;"yo tits, why's her tits turn green on the upstroke ?" "she's too excited to contain her inner greens" 1276531;1442418717;lobbes;oh nice, qntra's back up too 1276532;1442418733;mircea_popescu;quick everyone, before the next one! 1276533;1442418736;mircea_popescu;do the deeds! 1276534;1442418739;pete_dushenski;https://luminous-landscape.com/eizo-coloredge-cg301w-vs-the-apple-30/ << "And I cannot emphasize enough what a difference it makes to be able to sit in front of a display for many hours without experiencing the typical eye strain and user fatigue." << hm. photographer/phd physicist who switched from acd to eizo. 1276535;1442418741;assbot;Eizo ColorEdge CG301W vs. The Apple 30 - Luminous Landscape ... ( http://bit.ly/1Of6hCL ) 1276536;1442418747;asciilifeform;it is interesting how in just about every tech sector, there is ONE (perhaps two) vendors who make nice thing, optionally a few 'passable', and everybody else sells garbage. 1276537;1442418749;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform wins 1276538;1442418769;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: pick one up, see for yourself 1276539;1442418779;asciilifeform;'barco' also makes proper lcd. my brother has one. 1276540;1442418804;kakobrekla;i bet even 'eizo' drift over time 1276541;1442418815;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: everything drifts. that's what the colorimeter is for. 1276542;1442418840;asciilifeform;though i am not an artist, and do not deal in precise gammas, and do not personally notice. 1276543;1442418858;mircea_popescu;this would be a pretty decent word problem. 1276544;1442418865;kakobrekla;not an artist either but it bothers the shit out of me 1276545;1442418872;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: on eizo ?! 1276546;1442418879;kakobrekla;no 1276547;1442418892;asciilifeform;korean garbage naturally drifts quickly enough to use as a disco light 1276548;1442418899;kakobrekla;note i do not have a bothering problem now, for my setup it is solved 1276549;1442418913;kakobrekla;it bothers me in general, when i see it at others. 1276550;1442418915;mircea_popescu;"given a panel of 5 identical lcds, that have been on doing WoW for the past 5.5 years, if the same numeric value is rendered as red 10% more saturated on the most versus the least, calculate the probability" 1276551;1442418973;kakobrekla;U2713HM is what i run. 1276552;1442419035;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276236 1276553;1442419035;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:53:36; kakobrekla: and the difference is night and day, incomparable. 1276554;1442419058;mircea_popescu;Find Your Keys11:46 am 5.7 KiB***SPAM*** Never Lose Your Keys Ever Again 1276555;1442419060;mircea_popescu;dude... 1276556;1442419065;mircea_popescu;that's be one hell of a service. 1276557;1442419159;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i presently have a ev2736w, two sx2462w, and a l885. (all but the last stand vertically.) 1276558;1442419200;kakobrekla;five identical dells here, set up in a way that bleeding pic shows 1276559;1442419213;kakobrekla;approx. 1276560;1442419321;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276226 << anyone else puzzled re: the total lack of mention of the author of the implant (usg) ? 1276561;1442419321;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 13:43:06; punkman: https://zmap.io/synful/ 1276562;1442419349;asciilifeform;https://i.imgur.com/XI9wDA9.png << as in them 1276563;1442419350;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmZoIp ) 1276564;1442419350;mircea_popescu;assbot croaked ? 1276565;1442419360;asciilifeform;http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/nsa-pwn-cisco-640x373.jpg << them. 1276566;1442419360;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmZoZ0 ) 1276567;1442419363;mircea_popescu;o nm me. 1276568;1442419393;kakobrekla;lol that face censor - famous pedo algo 1276569;1442419406;asciilifeform;(summary: the rootkit was found and reversed - or alternatively, 'burned'. and no mention of its author. god himself put it there! apparently) 1276570;1442419428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108250 @ 0.00074319 = 80.4503 BTC [-] {5} 1276571;1442419433;mircea_popescu;heh. 1276572;1442419481;mircea_popescu;"To identify implanted devices, we look for non-compliant responses where the sequence number is set to zero, the urgent flag is unset, and the urgent pointer is set to 0x0001. We do not respond with an ACK packet, and instead send a RST, closing the connection. This does not exploit the vulnerability, attempt a login, or complete the handshake. However, this does allows us to discern implanted from non-implanted route 1276573;1442419482;mircea_popescu;rs, since a non-implanted router should not set the urgent pointer, and has only a 1276574;1442419482;mircea_popescu;1 in 232 chance of selecting zero as the sequence number." 1276575;1442419486;mircea_popescu;this is why it was burned, ftr. 1276576;1442419489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00075852 = 42.8185 BTC [+] {3} 1276577;1442419489;mircea_popescu;too easy to spot. 1276578;1442419510;mircea_popescu;s/232/2^32/ 1276579;1442419537;asciilifeform;sop 1276580;1442419552;asciilifeform;upgrade from the dumb beta version to spiffy new orifice, burn old. 1276581;1442419555;mircea_popescu;myeah, what are they gonna do, include their own keys on the device end ? 1276582;1442419571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a compromised key generator would've been classier 1276583;1442419587;asciilifeform;or hell, leak the key in delays or other garbage 1276584;1442419636;asciilifeform;!s kleptography 1276585;1442419637;assbot;3 results for 'kleptography' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kleptography 1276586;1442419718;asciilifeform;a 'spontaneous malfunction' of one bit in something, anything outgoing, can be a bit of leaked key 1276587;1442419719;asciilifeform;etc. 1276588;1442419769;asciilifeform;Run Moar Cisco ! 1276589;1442419803;mircea_popescu;and this is worth doin gbecause... 1276590;1442419805;mircea_popescu;!up VariaVarietatis 1276591;1442419819;mircea_popescu;what part of b-a are we analysing today, VariaVarietatis ? 1276592;1442419840;thestringpuller;Cisco hardware has been diddle more than catholic school boys. 1276593;1442419886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you had an article, iirc, about u.s. firms voluntarily bending over by installing cisco and related gear, to avoid the rougher and less lubricated anal inspection of 'national security letter' etc. 1276594;1442419898;asciilifeform;that would be the point then. 1276595;1442419912;mircea_popescu;or might have been just off the cuff comment here. 1276596;1442419922;asciilifeform;possibly. 1276597;1442419930;mircea_popescu;but i was asking, what'd be the point for nsa to make something classier. 1276598;1442419940;mircea_popescu;they're not classy, the "victims" aren't classy either. whence all this class ? 1276599;1442419945;mircea_popescu;what are you, a classist ? 1276600;1442419950;asciilifeform;in the craftsman. 1276601;1442419965;asciilifeform;if i were in the service of hitler, that is how ~i~ would have written it. 1276602;1442420000;thestringpuller;was watching beavis and butthead do america last night. fbi somehow gets involved in trying to track them down for reasons, but everyone who has encountered the teens gets cavity searched. 1276603;1442420006;asciilifeform;and it cannot be said that these folks never have class. diddled disk fw is classy. 1276604;1442420011;thestringpuller;"We have to cavity search them just to be sure!" 1276605;1442420043;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, disk fw is still something WE SUSPECT 1276606;1442420049;mircea_popescu;we've not seen that they ever actually did. 1276607;1442420049;asciilifeform;ahahaha no 1276608;1442420052;asciilifeform;it was revealed. 1276609;1442420058;mircea_popescu;did i miss a memo ? 1276610;1442420060;asciilifeform;yes. 1276611;1442420066;asciilifeform;binariez even. 1276612;1442420066;mircea_popescu;link or something ? 1276613;1442420078;asciilifeform;reviewed on qntra 1276614;1442420085;asciilifeform;one of the very few articles i wrote personally 1276615;1442420110;asciilifeform;later i got hold of the actual binaries. 1276616;1442420113;asciilifeform;still have'em. 1276617;1442420115;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/author/asciilifeform/ << check it out 1276618;1442420116;assbot;asciilifeform | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn0u7c ) 1276619;1442420126;mircea_popescu;"A recent publication by Kaspersky Lab (mirror) describes the first publicly-confirmed instance of a Microsoft Windows 'trojan' capable of infecting hard disk drive firmware. " 1276620;1442420136;mircea_popescu;this is not the same thing is it ? 1276621;1442420139;asciilifeform;aha, it was them. 1276622;1442420153;asciilifeform;there was a flasher for 9 major vendors of hdd. 1276623;1442420157;asciilifeform;(including ssd) 1276624;1442420160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83310 @ 0.00074369 = 61.9568 BTC [-] 1276625;1442420195;asciilifeform;if someone were to pay for it, yes, i could say what the payload is. 1276626;1442420197;mircea_popescu;alrighty then, i got nothing. 1276627;1442420200;mircea_popescu;that's pretty classy. 1276628;1442420222;mircea_popescu;pay, as in how much ? 1276629;1442420223;asciilifeform;of course it would appear less classy if one thinks about how they likely got the forced cooperation of the vendors 1276630;1442420247;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as in six digits usd. 1276631;1442420275;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: trying to make the call graph on trilema.com 1276632;1442420307;*;mircea_popescu ponders whether the embarassment is worth that much. then remembers the value of "the public" is 0. obviously could use this to steal a lot of monyz, but meh. 1276633;1442420318;asciilifeform;try some starving ru children first. 1276634;1442420321;asciilifeform;they work for less. 1276635;1442420352;mircea_popescu;that's ok. 1276636;1442420382;shinohai;I liked this a lot http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/ 1276637;1442420383;assbot;Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn0Pqf ) 1276638;1442420392;asciilifeform;the annoying thing about disk controllers is that pretty much the whole thing is one gigantic pile of undocumented regs 1276639;1442420422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform once we decide to go all north korea we use that to make mega-infector steal all the bases. 1276640;1442420424;asciilifeform;one would have to either steal the datasheet somewhere, or empirically (!) reverse the thing. 1276641;1442420470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many other devices to infect, also. most heavy-lifting NICs are reflashable, have multi-core (!) cpu, etc. 1276642;1442420484;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1276643;1442420487;asciilifeform;the best leverage naturally is to find usg's magic tendrils already there. 1276644;1442420499;mircea_popescu;if teh server bs continues, we end up hosting on USG owned computers exclusively. 1276645;1442420510;mircea_popescu;not like it'd be that hard either. distributed datastore. 1276646;1442420514;asciilifeform;l0l 1276647;1442420523;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: I got sort of an odd question asked you before but got side tracked why one wot for eulora and b-a and shouldn't a game have its own wot to allow eve online style play? 1276648;1442420530;VariaVarietatis;ie stealing and such 1276649;1442420563;VariaVarietatis;;;google sean smith eve 1276650;1442420564;gribble;Sean Smith (diplomat) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Amazing Life of Sean Smith, the Masterful Eve Gamer Slain in ...: ; A tribute to Sean 'Vile Rat' Smith - EVE Community: 1276651;1442420564;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1276652;1442420578;mircea_popescu;lol 1276653;1442420768;mircea_popescu;aaand from the right in time ministry : the new refugees to Munich are petitioning to have Oktberfest cancled because it is offensive. 1276654;1442420790;asciilifeform;l0l! 1276655;1442420798;asciilifeform;berlinabad! 1276656;1442420804;asciilifeform;al-paris. 1276657;1442420808;asciilifeform;londonabad. 1276658;1442420887;asciilifeform;petitioning mr o, no less. >>> https://www.change.org/p/city-of-munich-ban-the-intolerant-and-anti-islamic-event-of-oktoberfest 1276659;1442420888;assbot;Pétition · City of Munich: Ban the Intolerant and Anti-Islamic event of Oktoberfest · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxljC8 ) 1276660;1442420892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88401 @ 0.00076277 = 67.4296 BTC [+] {3} 1276661;1442420917;asciilifeform;tr0l0l0l! 1276662;1442420927;asciilifeform;protocols of the elders of syria ? 1276663;1442420929;mircea_popescu;mhm. 1276664;1442420943;mircea_popescu;gotta hand it to the "immigrants" : they got a lot more going for them than zee germans do at this point. 1276665;1442420968;asciilifeform;what will they have going when they've eaten the last german ? 1276666;1442421065;pete_dushenski;a full belly 1276667;1442421079;asciilifeform;for a spell. 1276668;1442421125;asciilifeform;in updated version of the old fable, perhaps, the grasshopper devours the ant. and his stash. and then wonders what next. 1276669;1442421224;pete_dushenski;grasshopper refugees 1276670;1442421405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/3Y84AZP 1276671;1442421407;assbot;dpaste: 3Y84AZP ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxmGka ) 1276672;1442421838;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Noahthority and ” economists” - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/16/noahthority-and-economists/ 1276673;1442422011;mircea_popescu;anyone recall offhand what "OP_RETURN 9" is ? 1276674;1442422309;gernika;mod6 so I've finally rebuilt my blkindex.dat after probably corrupting it last time I shutdown bitcoind. I need to shut it down again. Is there a way to safely shutdown bitcoind? Or at a minimum, back up the blkindex.dat of a running node? 1276675;1442422360;mircea_popescu;no to the latter. and to the former, make it detatch the db. 1276676;1442422360;punkman;mircea_popescu: OP_RETURN just adds arbitrary bytes to the transaction 1276677;1442422374;mircea_popescu;punkman i know, i meant about it being =9 specifically. 1276678;1442422417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82698 @ 0.00076114 = 62.9448 BTC [-] {2} 1276679;1442422598;punkman;I don't think it's something 1276680;1442422606;mircea_popescu;hm 1276681;1442422630;punkman;OP_RETURN is 9 characters though 1276682;1442422649;mircea_popescu;oh damn, i'm seeing the bytecount 1276683;1442422652;mircea_popescu;ty. 1276684;1442422783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00076638 = 19.9083 BTC [+] 1276685;1442423088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00076509 = 21.4608 BTC [-] 1276686;1442423782;punkman;https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/644193755814342656 1276687;1442423798;punkman;"Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great." 1276688;1442423900;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1276689;1442423905;asciilifeform;zoolag now at 108.51.29.6. 1276690;1442424003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62929 @ 0.00076623 = 48.2181 BTC [+] {3} 1276691;1442424125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54706 @ 0.00075764 = 41.4475 BTC [-] 1276692;1442424216;gernika;grepping the source of stator I see no references to "detach." Seems like versions prior to .6 automatically detach on shutdown (from google results). Only relevant ba discussion I can find is here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-08-2015#1227642 1276693;1442424216;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 13:33:13; mircea_popescu: btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on 1276694;1442424491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00075644 = 42.8901 BTC [-] {3} 1276695;1442424796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00075039 = 45.9989 BTC [-] {3} 1276696;1442425163;thestringpuller;https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/google-has-most-of-my-email-because-it-has-all-of-yours 1276697;1442425319;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276154 << you REGULARLY fall asleep at the wheel ? yikes man. get thee a shorter commute, a later work start time, or yes, mega-amounts of caffeine. if you're traveling >20mph, that is. 1276698;1442425319;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 09:00:07; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ? << I have always had sleep problems. As a kid would always fall asleep on car rides. And as an adult I seem to regularly fall asleep at the wheel and still get home. But this is super dangerous. I really need to just pull over and nap for a second or red bull it up like a trucker would do... 1276699;1442425366;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: it's usually the traffic you sit in it long enough and you get tired. 1276700;1442425430;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-05-2015#1127018 << intel publishes docs on this 1276701;1442425430;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:11:59; asciilifeform: phun phact: virtually everything we publicly know re: how an intel cpu inits comes from the great ami bios source leaks 1276702;1442425454;thestringpuller;^^^ reminds me of the plot of S1 of HCF 1276703;1442425475;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: i've heard stories of atl's traffic shmozzle 1276704;1442425833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.0007526 = 29.4643 BTC [+] 1276705;1442426138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69552 @ 0.00074167 = 51.5846 BTC [-] {6} 1276706;1442426626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.00074194 = 46.8535 BTC [+] {3} 1276707;1442427119;mircea_popescu;!up crescendo 1276708;1442427151;mircea_popescu;gernika ah ok then. so shut it down should be ok. 1276709;1442427228;mircea_popescu;in other news, ""Greetings for the day! Hope you are doing great! My name is Letha Lozano and I am a Website Consultant. I found your email account online and would like to discuss some business opportunities with you"" 1276710;1442427236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55643 @ 0.0007526 = 41.8769 BTC [+] 1276711;1442427279;mod6; gernika: did you get it figured out then? 1276712;1442427316;gernika;ran bitcoind stop - the logs indicate that it ran through the shutdown procedure, but the process itself still runs 1276713;1442427330;gernika;been about 30 min. 1276714;1442427337;mod6;oh, give it a little while, it should exit once everything is flushed. 1276715;1442427425;mod6;<+gernika> ran bitcoind stop << this method that i use 1276716;1442427471;mircea_popescu;i dun recall it ever taking that long, but, as the man says. give it a bit. 1276717;1442427521;mod6;i recently shutdown my fully sync'd openbsd node a week or two ago -- took quite a wait for it to finally exit. but i didn't keep close track of the time. could have easily been an hour though. 1276718;1442427602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7557 @ 0.00076201 = 5.7585 BTC [+] 1276719;1442427993;deedbot-;[Qntra] Twitter Continues Flirtation With Politicians - http://qntra.net/2015/09/twitter-continues-flirtation-with-politicians/ 1276720;1442428026;shinohai;http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/lisa-borch-teen-inspired-isis-jailed-9-years-over-mothers-n428331 1276721;1442428027;assbot;ISIS-Inspired Teen Lisa Borch Jailed Over Mom's Stabbing Death - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnhlXn ) 1276722;1442428050;mircea_popescu;i really should set up a hotline for these chicks. 1276723;1442428096;mircea_popescu;"are you 17 ? you got what it takes to stab your mom ? mp wants to hear from you BEFORE you manage to blow your wad on nothing worth the mention. come let's make beautiful music together." 1276724;1442428507;gernika;re: zoolag: trying connection 108.51.29.6:8333 lastseen=-372897.0hrs lasttry=-400674.8hrs | connection timeout 1276725;1442429005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209100 @ 0.00074834 = 156.4779 BTC [-] {6} 1276726;1442429067;lobbes;lol, dafuq is a 'Website Consultant' 1276727;1442429077;lobbes;some 13 yr old kid 1276728;1442429177;punkman;http://qntra.net/2015/09/twitter-continues-flirtation-with-politicians/ << lol $cashatgs 1276729;1442429179;assbot;Twitter Continues Flirtation With Politicians | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Knjr9B ) 1276730;1442429385;shinohai;Twitter sometimes makes me want to just go back to finger :/ 1276731;1442429502;lobbes;$deeznuts2016 1276732;1442429798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.0007359 = 42.4614 BTC [-] 1276733;1442430430;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ << FUCK YEAH!!! http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/16/cnn_s_three_hour_main_event_the_network_s_debate_wildcard_a_third_hour_on.html 1276734;1442430431;assbot;BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 1 day 19 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU ) 1276735;1442430432;assbot;CNN’s three-hour main event: The network’s debate wildcard? A third hour on stage ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2QX9B ) 1276736;1442430685;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2015/09/google-2-billion-lines-codeand-one-place/ 1276737;1442430685;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnlOt8 ) 1276738;1442430704;punkman;"estimates that the software needed to run all of Google’s Internet services—from Google Search to Gmail to Google Maps—spans some 2 billion lines of code." 1276739;1442430782;punkman;"all 2 billion lines sit in a single code repository available to all 25,000 Google engineers." << what and nobody has leaked them yet 1276740;1442430935;mircea_popescu;join my petition for google to increase its google size. 1276741;1442430958;mircea_popescu;if every person on earth wrote just 50 lines of code, which is a very small number of lines of code to write for the progress world etc, 1276742;1442430961;mircea_popescu;then they would never fit 1276743;1442430978;mircea_popescu;google needs to move now because otherwise it could stymy adoption in this early stage of the game 1276744;1442431014;mircea_popescu;we must make a sub-derppit about it! 1276745;1442431059;punkman;oic now "certain highly sensitive code—stuff akin to the Google’s PageRank search algorithm—resides in separate repositories only available to specific employees." 1276746;1442431750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6218 @ 0.0007359 = 4.5758 BTC [-] 1276747;1442431811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63632 @ 0.00073564 = 46.8102 BTC [-] {2} 1276748;1442431882;deedbot-;[Trilema] Why should the Argentine population go graze already ? - http://trilema.com/2015/why-should-the-argentine-population-go-graze-already/ 1276749;1442432482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00073517 = 36.4277 BTC [-] {6} 1276750;1442432909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00073641 = 26.1426 BTC [+] 1276751;1442433456;shinohai;Anyone alive? https://i.imgur.com/aC3J19m.jpg 1276752;1442433457;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxSvta ) 1276753;1442434229;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1276754;1442434233;BingoBoingo;!up airgapped 1276755;1442434307;trinque;shinohai: I ain't mad at it. 1276756;1442434336;ascii_field;soooooo my isp firewalled off ~all~ incoming ports. 1276757;1442434343;ascii_field;without warning. 1276758;1442434345;shinohai;O.o o rly 1276759;1442434369;shinohai;$whois ascii_field 's isp 1276760;1442434375;ascii_field;verizon fiber 1276761;1442434391;shinohai;Are they emulating at&t now ? 1276762;1442434401;ascii_field;perhaps it is only my house 1276763;1442434403;ascii_field;and no one else. 1276764;1442434412;ascii_field;there was no official communication concerning this. 1276765;1442434430;shinohai;i suppose this is why i found your node unreachable 1276766;1442434443;ascii_field;shinohai: they also switched my ip (it happens 2-3x a year) 1276767;1442434460;trinque;maybe you tripped some "anti-malware" thing they use to mitigate aids-spewing windows boxes 1276768;1442434467;trinque;because you... actually use the service 1276769;1442434487;shinohai;comcast used to do that, but i have business class nau 1276770;1442434495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00073499 = 46.9659 BTC [-] {2} 1276771;1442434502;ascii_field;prolly gonna get upsold into 'business' 1276772;1442434504;ascii_field;2x cost. 1276773;1442434520;trinque;I was amazed to find I was not allowed to have an open port 25 on comcast residential. 1276774;1442434535;ascii_field;i suspect that 8333 is considered a 'funny' port 1276775;1442434541;ascii_field;but i will note that they cut off EVERYTHING 1276776;1442434557;shinohai;panic mode 1276777;1442434567;trinque;gosspid by packet radio 1276778;1442434918;phf;i think main value of business account with us telco, they actually show you how short the leash is. instead of "unlimited everything!!1" you get an equivalent of 90s dialup, but you're free to use it at saturation levels 1276779;1442435057;shinohai;I seem to be stuck on height 314526 for the moment. 1276780;1442435154;mod6;are you getting strange errors in the log? or the node your -connect'd to is just done?? 1276781;1442435157;mod6;*down 1276782;1442435166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00073841 = 16.3927 BTC [+] 1276783;1442435177;BingoBoingo;My stator (DB patched) is finally up to July 5th fork, sped up considerably since I had it -connect to local sync'd node (moved to this arrangement to open 8333) 1276784;1442435232;mircea_popescu;trinque> I was amazed to find I was not allowed to have an open port 25 on comcast residential. <<< i'm amazed at the notion of a "not allowed" port in general. 1276785;1442435247;ascii_field;25 was a desperate spamcontrol measure in the late '90s 1276786;1442435268;trinque;mircea_popescu: I briefly began explaining what a port is, then gave up. 1276787;1442435284;shinohai;and just like that it starts back up 1276788;1442435312;mod6;nice 1276789;1442435377;trinque;mircea_popescu: also http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh and http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig << the configuration in the script currently dumps out a root.img which can be loaded into qemu 1276790;1442435380;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoesG8 ) 1276791;1442435381;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoesG4 ) 1276792;1442435401;trinque;I can modify it for you if you'd like it to write to a block device; it requires changing a variable at the top and altering the lilo config 1276793;1442435439;trinque;it may also be pointed at a stage3 which is no longer available. They delete the old ones rather rapidly. 1276794;1442435453;mircea_popescu;aha 1276795;1442435455;trinque;in fact, let me run this sometime today, then I'll provide another link. 1276796;1442435521;shinohai;I almost got that whittled down to a science with genkernel nau trinque 1276797;1442435552;trinque;nice. 1276798;1442435574;ascii_field;Rajesh(16:33:29): I found that your issue requires advance expertise to resolve. Unfortunately my expertise is limited to basic settings. However, we have a team called expert care and they will be able to help you resolve this issue. Please call them on 1-877-718-6716 and they work 24/7 , please note this a paid service. 1276799;1442435574;ascii_field;(1-877-718-6716) 1276800;1442435576;ascii_field;^ gold. 1276801;1442435580;ascii_field;^ verizon co. 1276802;1442435593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117100 @ 0.00074798 = 87.5885 BTC [+] {3} 1276803;1442435596;trinque;shinohai: once you've booted, you can use "localyesconfig" to build the currently loaded modules set to "yes" 1276804;1442435627;trinque;^ one of the makefile targets of the kernel 1276805;1442435639;trinque;ascii_field: paid!!! 1276806;1442435649;mod6;<+ascii_field> ^ gold. << hahah 1276807;1442435686;BingoBoingo; ^ verizon co. << Municipal fiber means knowing whose doorstep you could elect to take a shit on 1276808;1442435711;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: nothing municipal about this one. 1276809;1442435713;ascii_field;telco monopoly. 1276810;1442435723;ascii_field;Rajesh(16:36:08): No, Mr. Datskovskiy, Verizon never block the incoming connections. 1276811;1442435733;trinque;they closed your ports then expect you to pay to open them? 1276812;1442435739;ascii_field;not even. 1276813;1442435742;ascii_field;they claim 'nothing happened' 1276814;1442435749;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Sure, but if your provider would have been municipal instead of VerizATTLink 1276815;1442435759;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: if your grandmother had balls (tm) 1276816;1442435824;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Common in Middle West and Mid South now for consumer Fiber provision to be the exclusive domain of municipal electric coop 1276817;1442435851;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: this doesn't do me a lick of good. 1276818;1442435868;ascii_field;over here, it's either these devils or $1000/mo 1276819;1442435879;BingoBoingo;Well, not if you want to nest outside of Lizard central feeding grounds 1276820;1442435897;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i am a serf and can go nowhere. 1276821;1442435928;BingoBoingo;Serfdom in Ruralburbia has its perks over Capitalserfdom 1276822;1442435951;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: nobody asked serf where he'd like to serf 1276823;1442435953;ascii_field;that's the whole idea 1276824;1442435958;ascii_field;of being a serf. 1276825;1442435979;shinohai;trinque: did not know that abt localyesconfig thx 1276826;1442435986;mircea_popescu;ascii_field keks, thgey want you to pay them to fix their network for them ? 1276827;1442436000;BingoBoingo;Of course. Though sometimes serfs who run away are lucky to get captured into better serfdom instead of returned 1276828;1442436016;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no, they want me to pay to get hot air from some indian dude 1276829;1442436021;ascii_field;nobody's gonna fix shit. 1276830;1442436025;ascii_field;because OFFICIALLY nothing broke. 1276831;1442436030;*;mircea_popescu braces for that sweet sweet time when alf's power goes out weekly and he STILL sticks around. 1276832;1442436042;ascii_field;where am i supposed to go? 1276833;1442436043;ascii_field;on $0 1276834;1442436069;mircea_popescu;first you plan then you budget, not the other way around! 1276835;1442436089;mircea_popescu;et tu, assbote! 1276836;1442436092;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1276837;1442436116;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu 1276838;1442436119;lobbes;try going above indian's head? 1276839;1442436133;ascii_field;lobbes: tried. 1276840;1442436179;mircea_popescu;so they closed what, 8333 ? 1276841;1442436186;ascii_field;ALL OF THEM 1276842;1442436192;mircea_popescu;so how are oyu here ?! 1276843;1442436197;ascii_field;i'm at $plant 1276844;1442436207;mircea_popescu;ah 1276845;1442436209;ascii_field;but outgoing works 1276846;1442436211;ascii_field;from my house. 1276847;1442436217;ascii_field;only incoming does not. 1276848;1442436223;ascii_field;and Officially there is no reason for it. 1276849;1442436242;shinohai;Officially they filter ports and tell no one. 1276850;1442436249;ascii_field;no quotas either 1276851;1442436259;mircea_popescu;aha. 1276852;1442436265;ascii_field;if they are trying to upsell me, doing a pretty poor job 1276853;1442436277;phf;ascii_field: what does netcat with tcpdump say? do packets just get blackholed? 1276854;1442436281;mircea_popescu;i thought they got a monopoly. how else would you do it ? 1276855;1442436297;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: poor job in the sense that no promise of normal service for more $$ 1276856;1442436302;ascii_field;phf: aha 1276857;1442436306;mircea_popescu;of course not ? 1276858;1442436306;ascii_field;phf: black hole. 1276859;1442436314;mircea_popescu;they gave you the place to spend $$$. 1276860;1442436317;mircea_popescu;why'd they promise anything ? 1276861;1442436318;ascii_field;no implication, even, of normal service for more $ 1276862;1442436323;ascii_field;'nothing is broken' 1276863;1442436324;mircea_popescu;call the strippers and stfu. 1276864;1442436325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00073697 = 42.4495 BTC [-] {3} 1276865;1442436365;ascii_field;by 'strippers' mircea_popescu meant, the t1 installers ? 1276866;1442436386;shinohai;Does Verizon tether you to their routers/equipment ? 1276867;1442436390;mircea_popescu;well the 1-877-718-6716 working 24/7 guise. 1276868;1442436404;mircea_popescu;business means "here's what we do and here's how to pay". 1276869;1442436408;ascii_field;shinohai: the only equipment of theirs i have is the optical terminal 1276870;1442436413;mircea_popescu;monopoly however, is just "here's where to pay" 1276871;1442436414;ascii_field;shinohai: i do not use their idiot modem or router 1276872;1442436435;mircea_popescu;simpler bidnis. 1276873;1442436468;shinohai;I still pay an extra $8 for cable modem rental fee, even tho I don't use it. 1276874;1442436493;shinohai;Comcast has the evil all-in-ones that use your modem as a AP 1276875;1442436501;mircea_popescu;move to romania. easily best internet service in all of the western world. 1276876;1442436512;ascii_field;shinohai: comcast exists here, i am not even considering it as an option 1276877;1442436527;shinohai;It is my on;y choice sadly in this area. 1276878;1442436533;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i would happily move to antarctica if i knew of some way to get food and net access there. 1276879;1442436533;shinohai;total monopoly 1276880;1442436545;jurov;mircea_popescu: try suggesting moving to shenzhen. 99% guaranteed to push alf's buttons 1276881;1442436554;ascii_field;i'd even move to shenzhen 1276882;1442436560;ascii_field;or shanghai 1276883;1442436562;mircea_popescu;jurov im wating for him to run out of "if" riders. 1276884;1442436564;ascii_field;pyongyang. 1276885;1442436575;mircea_popescu;so go. dja want me to order you a plane ticket ? 1276886;1442436584;ascii_field;i can afford plane ticket. 1276887;1442436588;*;shinohai moves to Moldova 1276888;1442436589;mircea_popescu;so then. 1276889;1442436590;ascii_field;just not the nth month of rent. 1276890;1442436596;mircea_popescu;forget the nth month. 1276891;1442436608;mircea_popescu;julius caesar lived his entire life paycheck to paycheck. 1276892;1442436633;ascii_field;mno. 1276893;1442436640;mircea_popescu;myes. 1276894;1442436684;ascii_field;i have no intention of voluntarily curtailing my research and defaulting on my wot obligations. they will have to come and put that bullet in my head. 1276895;1442436723;mircea_popescu;i guess researching net providers counts as research. 1276896;1442436784;ascii_field;my hovel came with not one but two sat dishes, one of them being a 2-way, believe or not. (russian fella used to live here) 1276897;1442436790;ascii_field;perhaps i will have it activated. 1276898;1442436809;mircea_popescu;o hey, apparently they figured out outgoing worked by reading teh logs :D 1276899;1442436811;ascii_field;but nobody's running a useful node out of that. 1276900;1442436826;ascii_field;l0l 1276901;1442436838;ascii_field;all the support slave could do was cycle my pole box 1276902;1442436867;mircea_popescu;go break into their trunk box, cut the connection to home, install your own firmware ? 1276903;1442436886;ascii_field;why not headquarters ? 1276904;1442436889;mircea_popescu;then again i suppose that's domestic terrorism, hm. 1276905;1442436903;ascii_field;aha, know the english proverb, 1276906;1442436908;mircea_popescu;"he struck the fear of god into the local telco monopoly, your honor" "oh shit. 20 life sentences!11" 1276907;1442436911;ascii_field;'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' 1276908;1442437001;phf;they got capone on tax evasion 1276909;1442437046;mircea_popescu;phf capone was a dollop tho. stalin didn't get tito, tax evasion or no tax evasion. 1276910;1442437057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37642 @ 0.00074897 = 28.1927 BTC [+] 1276911;1442437072;mircea_popescu;capone was derpy enough to not shoot the fbi head. which is why you hear about him. 1276912;1442437080;mircea_popescu;the mexicans that weren't derpy, you don't hear about. 1276913;1442437100;shinohai;What it looks like outside my hovel in winter: https://transfer.sh/XXuyp/dscf0067.jpg 1276914;1442437103;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh2vFV ) 1276915;1442437114;shinohai;^ comcast takes a week to come out when mine is down xD 1276916;1442437240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86908 @ 0.00073755 = 64.099 BTC [-] {4} 1276917;1442437421;shinohai;More ether keks: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3l6b6b/fuck_i_just_send_all_my_ether_to_a_new_contract/ 1276918;1442437423;assbot;Fuck! I just send all my ether to a new contract instead of to my brain wallet. Is there any way to reclaim it? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh49av ) 1276919;1442437567;ascii_field;'Also, we have the Verizon In-Home Agent for Windows PC's that you can download at http://www.verizon.com/connect. Thank you for choosing Verizon and have a great day. ' 1276920;1442437568;assbot;Error 404--Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh4sCm ) 1276921;1442437577;trinque;shinohai: "Only vbuterin himself can help me..." << bwahahaha 1276922;1442437596;trinque;these people live to deliver action movie lines 1276923;1442437722;shinohai;my sides 1276924;1442437789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00074897 = 33.7037 BTC [+] 1276925;1442437972;ag3nt_zer0;whats up y;all 1276926;1442438008;shinohai;sup ag3nt_zer0 que tal de bueno ? 1276927;1442438037;ag3nt_zer0;ragin' about the behaviorist animal psychology takeover of educational system here 1276928;1442438044;ag3nt_zer0;had meeting with principal today 1276929;1442438046;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1276930;1442438087;ag3nt_zer0;he is very excited, almost giddy, about his assertion that the purpose of education is to raise "citizens" 1276931;1442438093;ag3nt_zer0;shuld of seen the joy.... 1276932;1442438097;phf;i don't know anything about mafioso in america beyond disnified, "you gonna like this guy, he's all right, he's a good fella", so i would believe about capone. but then he was a brooklyn hood rad, where's tito was a man 1276933;1442438098;ag3nt_zer0;totally hopeless 1276934;1442438124;mats;http://mosaicscience.com/story/brazils-cancer-curse 1276935;1442438125;assbot;Brazil’s cancer curse | Mosaic ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh5zSi ) 1276936;1442438159;mircea_popescu;phf capone was from chicago. 1276937;1442438164;mircea_popescu;fat, histrionic type. 1276938;1442438253;shinohai;Sam Gianacana, now *that's* an OG 1276939;1442438284;mircea_popescu;i would propose this is an exceptionally apt comparison, incidentally. the relative economic might of chicago of the 30s as part of the us of the 30s is about where the economic might of the yugoslavia of the 50s as part of the eu+ru of the 50s stands ; the stalin-hoover equality is not particularly inept, on many scores (and the ones where it isn't, it advantages stalin) 1276940;1442438315;ag3nt_zer0;the new stealth, and quite cheery, totalitarianism is in full flower and Goebells would be astonished that it is happening with centralized dictates but instead in full pom pom ra ra volunteerism 1276941;1442438328;ag3nt_zer0;*not with centralized 1276942;1442438400;mircea_popescu;it wasn't any fuckiung different in 1941. 1276943;1442438406;ag3nt_zer0;have slaves always been this proud? 1276944;1442438434;mircea_popescu;always pretended, anyway. 1276945;1442438445;mircea_popescu;what do you suppose prevents man from cleaning out the trash from his car ? 1276946;1442438467;mircea_popescu;the notion that "the situation is livable" and "he'll figure it out" and you know, the previous inhavitant was russian so there's satellite dishes. 1276947;1442438505;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: hmmm, perhaps not, but I would argue the the new post psychedelic controls are much more insidious 1276948;1442438511;ag3nt_zer0;and invisible 1276949;1442438525;mircea_popescu;eh, they're always much more insidious for being the ones you saw. 1276950;1442438569;mircea_popescu;the bullshit is unchanged for 5000 years, first hand observers report it is "exceptionally so and so". and all guns ever used in robberies are BIG 1276951;1442438572;mircea_popescu;according to witnesses. 1276952;1442438590;mircea_popescu;not that fucking many big guns available. all fucking guns are their standard size, being as they are industrial products. 1276953;1442438774;phf;!up ascii_field 1276954;1442438778;ascii_field;ty phf 1276955;1442438795;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the gun that is pointed in one's face is always surprisingly big. 1276956;1442438803;ascii_field;bigger yet when it goes off. 1276957;1442438845;ascii_field;and comparing the equivalent of shooting yourself in the head to cleaning a car is disingenuous, at least. 1276958;1442438888;phf;what i was trying to say re capone vs tito, is that capone was a hood rat, with the operational scope of village vs village, for him fbi involvement was perhaps the leviathan. where's tito was successful tactician and strategist in war and later a national leader. i suspect that allowed him to operate on the sufficiently high level to resist governmental intervention on equal terms 1276959;1442438929;lobbes;the man with trash in his car doesn't stop to consider if his condition is 'livable' or not 1276960;1442438929;ag3nt_zer0;well, then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo 1276961;1442438930;assbot;Tool - Ænema [uncut version - hq - fullscreen] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh6GkU ) 1276962;1442438948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00074659 = 47.7071 BTC [-] 1276963;1442438959;phf;!up thestringpuller 1276964;1442439001;ascii_field;if removing trash from car without also removing your own liver cost $200,000, not many people would have clean car. 1276965;1442439041;thestringpuller;ag3nt_zer0: Reminds me of the lateralus video 1276966;1442439051;shinohai;diggin that tool ag3nt_zer0 1276967;1442439058;ascii_field;comparing the options available to capone or even tito, to the meagre existence of random schmuck, is also disingenuous. 1276968;1442439063;thestringpuller;Third Eye is still my favorite song off that album tho. 1276969;1442439070;thestringpuller;Either that or H. 1276970;1442439076;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: goes alright I am able to work so that's good... but counting the days until next summer to go on 2 year fuck all backpacking trip into the unknown 1276971;1442439086;ag3nt_zer0;maxed out 1276972;1442439125;thestringpuller;I think Lateralus is a more philosophically compelling album, but Aenema is better received. 1276973;1442439153;ag3nt_zer0;thestringpuller: yeah I believe they use the same artists for lots of stuff... for instance alex grey for their album artwork and others for the stop motion videos 1276974;1442439189;thestringpuller;Adam Jones the guitarist used to work as an animator for stuff like Jurassic Park ( he actually has a credit in Jurassic Park since he worked on that prod before quitting to do Tool full time ) 1276975;1442439189;ag3nt_zer0;yeah I prefer lateralus as well but there are some great extended areas of aenima 1276976;1442439226;ag3nt_zer0;they are apparantly getting close to release of a new one 1276977;1442439229;thestringpuller;ag3nt_zer0: yea you get a better feel for aenema's records if you listen to the live album. forget what ti's called Salivial? 1276978;1442439232;shinohai;I wish I still knew someone good at remixing. I like some songs but they are overproduced. 1276979;1442439237;ag3nt_zer0;yeah 1276980;1442439242;ag3nt_zer0;salival i think 1276981;1442439274;thestringpuller;cause salivial has that "remix" of pushit which uses those mandela pads you hear a lot in lateralus 1276982;1442439285;deedbot-;[Qntra] War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock - http://qntra.net/2015/09/war-on-engineering-teen-arrested-for-building-clock/ 1276983;1442439375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1408 @ 0.00074897 = 1.0545 BTC [+] 1276984;1442439396;thestringpuller;10,000 days didn't hit me the sameway. 1276985;1442439423;thestringpuller;it's an extremely profound from a technical stand point, but it's not as philosophically compelling 1276986;1442439438;thestringpuller;cool to see more tool fans 1276987;1442439450;thestringpuller;one of the two bands I've seen in my life that made me straight up weep. 1276988;1442439455;thestringpuller;like a bitch 1276989;1442439521;phf;ascii_field: the way i see mp's point is that tito, capone and random schmuck all have same options. random schmuck is that way for never acting on those options. capone is a schmuck for only sometimes not acting on his options. etc. 1276990;1442439533;ag3nt_zer0;for today's speculative waste: I think it would be great if this room had an educational manifest in the meatspace... sort of like an intellectual spartan boot camp 1276991;1442439589;lobbes;http://qntra.net/2015/09/war-on-engineering-teen-arrested-for-building-clock/ << this reminded me of this old story from 2007 http://radiotvtalk.blog.ajc.com/2015/02/03/2007-flashback-adult-swims-aqua-teen-bomb-scare-in-boston/ 1276992;1442439590;assbot;War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7xSF ) 1276993;1442439592;assbot;2007 flashback: Adult Swim’s ‘Aqua Teen’ bomb scare in Boston | Radio and TV Talk ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7y9a ) 1276994;1442439594;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: do it; assemble the #b-a bookshelf 1276995;1442439608;shinohai;was listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoheCz4t2xc 1276996;1442439609;assbot;System Of A Down - Hypnotize - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7BSG ) 1276997;1442439625;jurov;ag3nt_zer0: was already discussed and mp put some proposal, but can't remember the keywords 1276998;1442439668;jurov;http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/ found! 1276999;1442439668;assbot;Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDscGp ) 1277000;1442439681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00075074 = 30.405 BTC [+] 1277001;1442439733;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: haha would The Real Astrology by John Frawley be allowed? or writings by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) 1277002;1442439755;trinque;I take it back. 1277003;1442439755;shinohai;Wasn't that mircea_popescu 's response to princeton's scam course? 1277004;1442439757;trinque;:D 1277005;1442439763;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1277006;1442439772;ag3nt_zer0;hey dont judge a book by its cover 1277007;1442439795;thestringpuller;shinohai: no it was to buterin's friends' C4 certification 1277008;1442439804;shinohai;ah ok 1277009;1442439804;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: btw... you make time for that 134 page gem yet 1277010;1442439825;ag3nt_zer0;I am lusting to hear your dismissals 1277011;1442439857;thestringpuller;shinohai: http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/ << reported on qntra 1277012;1442439866;trinque;nah haven't read that yet; got buried under that book on CLOS and assorted meatspace work 1277013;1442439962;shinohai;"Why would he contribute to your thing ? This nonsense is roughly equivalent to child playing with toy truck, telling some truckers "hey, if you see a problem with my toy truck, why don't you come and fix it!". 1277014;1442439983;shinohai;ty thestringpuller had not read 1277015;1442440096;jurov;"The backup must be protected against environmental risks such as fire, flood, and other acts of God." 1277016;1442440103;thestringpuller;i didn't put that Buterin's crew is who runs C4. Seems like a scam for a piece of paper worth less than today's MIT degree. 1277017;1442440130;thestringpuller;They only accept bitcoin, and I'm certain it goes straight into the waterfall. 1277018;1442440166;jurov;danielpbarron might have a say about protection of backups from God's wrath? 1277019;1442440192;kakobrekla;god will destroy your backups to test your faith 1277020;1442440193;ag3nt_zer0;btw if anyone can prove the "assertions" in that book (crisis of the modern world - rene guenon) false, useless, or shitty in another way... I would love it because I read it as truth... 1277021;1442440204;shinohai;lol wut kakobrekla 1277022;1442440217;kakobrekla;is how it works dont ya know 1277023;1442440221;ag3nt_zer0;and if there is another plzce that is as primed as this room to offer valuable critique I know not where it is to be found 1277024;1442440223;kakobrekla;thats why all the bad stuff happens. 1277025;1442440281;shinohai;./dev/urandom/ is why bad stuff happens 1277026;1442440287;jurov;"Digital signatures must use a ‘k’ value that is never repeated. This can be accomplished through the use of a deterministic random bit generator (DRBG) that is compliant with NIST SP 800-90A, or a deterministic scheme compatible with RFC 6979." 1277027;1442440308;shinohai;like blockchain top kek 1277028;1442440445;jurov;"In cases where keys or seeds are created without the use of software (e.g. dice, a deck of cards, or other non-digital source of entropy), the creation methodology should be validated to ensure determinism is not present (i.e. there are no weighted dice, each card in the deck is unique, etc.)." 1277029;1442440459;shinohai;danielpbarron: y no np ? 1277030;1442440508;thestringpuller;jurov: it's lunacy mixed with buzzwords. 1277031;1442440615;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1277032;1442440648;jurov;anyone knows how to check for nondeterministic dice? :D 1277033;1442440812;shinohai;http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/13668576/iran-captain-miss-asian-cup-husband-took-passport?ex_cid=sportscenterFB&sf13113921=1 1277034;1442440813;assbot;Iran captain to miss Asian Cup as husband took passport ... ( http://bit.ly/1P01dPM ) 1277035;1442441266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00076 = 28.272 BTC [+] 1277036;1442441323;ag3nt_zer0;hang in there till the 5 minute mark and holy cow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7w_Ut12fY 1277037;1442441324;assbot;Nine Inch Nails - All Time Low (VEVO Presents) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhbiYq ) 1277038;1442441572;punkman;jurov: anyone knows how to check for nondeterministic dice? :D << seems like noone has figured it out yet http://trilema.com/2014/so-heres-a-problem-for-you/ 1277039;1442441573;assbot;So here's a problem for you... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhbRBn ) 1277040;1442441607;ag3nt_zer0;I wholeheartily recommend the entire production, but if strapped for time, to me the other outstanding example of this tech is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3sp6Hwp3nk 1277041;1442441608;assbot;Nine Inch Nails - Disappointed (VEVO Presents) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhbU01 ) 1277042;1442441672;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1277043;1442441745;mircea_popescu; and comparing the equivalent of shooting yourself in the head to cleaning a car is disingenuous, at least. << it is. meanwhile it't can't possibly be ingenious, because what goes on in man's mind is incomprehensible. be it bullet or whatever else. 1277044;1442441746;punkman;oh here's one http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/ 1277045;1442441747;assbot;Generating uniformly random data from skewed input: biased coins, loaded dice, skew correction, and the Von Neumann extractor | Code crumbs, by Clément Pit–Claudel ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fhc87v ) 1277046;1442441762;mircea_popescu;phf tito was, like stalin was, originally, a hood rat. 1277047;1442441777;mircea_popescu;everyone's born a shit eating, shit for brains, worm. 1277048;1442441790;mircea_popescu;because that's what always crawls out of woman : a barely aggregated pile of shit. 1277049;1442441809;mircea_popescu;but anyway, got a meeting now, will be back later we can drink this issue under the table. 1277050;1442441859;kakobrekla;!s C201 1277051;1442441860;assbot;0 results for 'C201' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=C201 1277052;1442441935;phf;ag3nt_zer0: i couldn't get past his west vs. east chapter, or slightly after. his understanding of eastern tradition is dodgy (i see same issue with evola by the way), since he exists in the time after theosophists's liberal translations of sacred texts, but before people like mircea eliade or theos bernard had a chance to verify with the locals whether or the understanding was correct. (and long before easterners themselves started making 1277053;1442441935;phf;scholarly rather then popular translations). 1277054;1442442186;shinohai;http://www.kristovatlas.com/bitcoin-visions-and-conflicts-of-interest/ 1277055;1442442190;assbot;Bitcoin Visions and Conflicts of Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhcyuH ) 1277056;1442442264;punkman;and some more on debiasing dice http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M_P9vZTEa3kJ:www.emc.com/emc-plus/rsa-labs/ps/dicebits.ps+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 1277057;1442442264;assbot;How to Turn Loaded Dice into Fair Coins ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhcA5L ) 1277058;1442442486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96913 @ 0.00075151 = 72.8311 BTC [-] {3} 1277059;1442442526;ag3nt_zer0;phf: interesting. becauseas I understand it guenon used to travel in the theosophist circles in france until he rejected them in favor of a more rigorous "traditionalism" - he even wrote a book about it - Theosophy: history of a pseudo religion - I think it was called... so i guess it could be asserted that he was still "unconsciously" operating under some of their errors but 1) it seems odd to think that a person with an 1277060;1442442532;ag3nt_zer0;own unconsciousness… no? 1277061;1442442679;ag3nt_zer0;and 2) what would be the correct understanding that contradicts his greater metaphysical points about ultimate reality and what constitutes an authentic revealed tradition or not... what do you mean by the locals? and would not Ananda Coomaraswamy, geunons contemporary and equal in many ways but with a mind turned toward the art of the east and west be a counter to that? 1277062;1442442723;ag3nt_zer0;phf: thanks for checking out out btw 1277063;1442442742;ag3nt_zer0;it out jeez 1277064;1442443368;phf;ag3nt_zer0: theosophy does completely fanciful free interpretation based on amateur translations by various aristocrats gone native. any sane person will look at it and go "wtf" upon closer inspection, but you're still left with amateur translations. not to mention that you need representatives of traditions to interpret those esoteric texts (what i mean by locals) 1277065;1442443596;phf;guenon's revelations are entirely his own, inspired perhaps by close reading of some of the available eastern sacred texts 1277066;1442443605;trinque;closest I ever came to reading any "theosophy" was Jiddu Krishnamurti 1277067;1442443640;trinque;and looking back I couldn't tell you wtf he was trying to say 1277068;1442443661;trinque;something vaguely approaching the limitations around what can and cannot be said about being 1277069;1442443676;trinque;and one's probably much better off reading Wittgenstein or Heidegger 1277070;1442443684;ag3nt_zer0;yeah krishnamurti is worthless 1277071;1442443712;ag3nt_zer0;let me be clear. as is probably all theosophy... 1277072;1442443713;trinque;hipster antimessiah 1277073;1442443726;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1277074;1442443767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.0007604 = 48.7416 BTC [+] {4} 1277075;1442443786;phf;theosophy did one good thing, their "members" would do early translations of various sacred texts, and they would make those translations available through their lodges 1277076;1442443839;phf;the translations are universally bad, but gave westerners first glimpses of "eastern thought" 1277077;1442443985;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yes. one is better off reading wittgestein or heidegger over the theosophical trash... but imo guenon, schuon, coomaraswami (ananda) and evola are infinitely better to read than those philosophers you mentioned - and they are not at all aligned with theosophy - except for guenons youthful foray into it as mentioned 1277078;1442444562;phf;as far as ultimate knowledge, different schools have contradictory answers to some of those fundamental questions (say samkhya vs advaita vedanta's take on self vs absolute) 1277079;1442444655;phf;the assumption that there's any kind of unity to eastern sacred thought is by the way theosophical in nature, where's you have a bajilion of lineages all with their own takes on what's true 1277080;1442444772;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/2ymj2wJ.png <<< allah snackbar! 1277081;1442444774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1McHFas ) 1277082;1442445155;deedbot-;[Qntra] Pascal Reid Pleads Guilty: Promises to Service USG Law Enforcement - http://qntra.net/2015/09/pascal-reid-pleads-guilty-promises-to-service-usg-law-enforcement/ 1277083;1442445314;phf;another point i'll make before checking in for the night, is that eastern mystical tradition is experiential, a lot of ideas of the nature of ultimate reality and such are not even worth contemplating until you go through whatever the lineage prescribes, meditation, purification practices, breathing exercises, physical exercises, that are supposed to bring you towards understanding of ultimate reality. talking about it or presenting second 1277084;1442445314;phf;hand revelations as some sort of ultimate truth completely contradicts the original intent. 1277085;1442445555;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1277086;1442445564;BingoBoingo;That was astoundingly fast https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l8gi2/pascal_reid_pleads_guilty_promising_to_service/ 1277087;1442445565;assbot;Pascal Reid Pleads Guilty Promising to Service USG "Law Enforcement" – Full Draft Plea Text : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fhjec2 ) 1277088;1442445568;ascii_field;bbl 1277089;1442445719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00075872 = 22.7237 BTC [-] 1277090;1442446114;ag3nt_zer0;phf: are you just referring to that east vs. west chapter? I ask because though he explores eastern esoterism he was actually a practicing sufi 1277091;1442446268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00075872 = 31.2593 BTC [-] 1277092;1442446512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128455 @ 0.00076176 = 97.8519 BTC [+] {4} 1277093;1442446585;BingoBoingo;https://slashdot.org/submission/4945145/bitcoin-trader-agrees-to-work-for-police-in-plea-agreement 1277094;1442446587;assbot;Bitcoin Trader Agrees to Work For Police In Plea Agreement - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhkTyi ) 1277095;1442446635;ag3nt_zer0;no offense but I actually think one would have to explore him a bit more than less than a chapter to really offer up a viable criticism... but maybe that's just because I don't know what you have read and so do not know by what criteria you judge something as true or not true (some people hear voices, others echoes of dead philosophers)... at any rate thanks for taking the time to look and for sharing your thoughts at all 1277096;1442447122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00076369 = 40.5901 BTC [+] {2} 1277097;1442447321;shinohai;!s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179964.0 1277098;1442447323;assbot;Thanks to people who support 1-2 MB blocks - great idea u fools... ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhmBzU ) 1277099;1442447324;assbot;0 results for 'https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179964.0' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D1179964.0 1277100;1442447427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00075529 = 56.1936 BTC [-] {3} 1277101;1442447854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23435 @ 0.00076425 = 17.9102 BTC [+] 1277102;1442448525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075359 = 20.573 BTC [-] 1277103;1442448586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00076425 = 12.9158 BTC [+] 1277104;1442448830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16341 @ 0.00076425 = 12.4886 BTC [+] 1277105;1442449457;BingoBoingo;How goes the alfernet? 1277106;1442449501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00076425 = 10.241 BTC [+] 1277107;1442449567;asciilifeform;same as before. 1277108;1442449867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00076425 = 5.1205 BTC [+] 1277109;1442450241;asciilifeform;veeeeeery interesting outage. 1277110;1442450260;asciilifeform;over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333. 1277111;1442450262;asciilifeform;until next time. 1277112;1442450580;BingoBoingo;'Murican problems: "The easiest way to handle an obese funeral is to refer the family to your competitor, but that rarely works, especially if you picked up the body strapped to two hospital mattresses, (oh the pain!)" http://www.oversizecasket.com/funeralprofessional.html 1277113;1442450696;BingoBoingo;re: circus folk 1277114;1442450737;*;mircea_popescu feels compelled to point out re phf's worthy evaluation of topic that a significant part of eliade's said evaluation was drilling a local dude's daughter. 1277115;1442450852;mircea_popescu;(i also do not hold the view that indians EVER made scholarly anything. nor do i believe people like bharara or the raj schmuck recently mentioned are part of the western tradition, in spite of doing a passible job of masquerading it. the DA's office with bharara in it simple ceased to be much akin to the US DA and more like a fetid indian "institution", just like state with rice was more like state hence than like sta 1277116;1442450853;mircea_popescu;te ever was before. ie, incompetent, superficial, a sort of "cosmo does state dept".) 1277117;1442451026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10723 @ 0.00075535 = 8.0996 BTC [-] 1277118;1442451087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17977 @ 0.00075359 = 13.5473 BTC [-] {2} 1277119;1442451297;mircea_popescu; the translations are universally bad, but gave westerners first glimpses of "eastern thought" << and by westerners we mean, of course, americans. 1277120;1442451453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00076433 = 16.7388 BTC [+] {3} 1277121;1442451605;mircea_popescu; talking about it or presenting second hand revelations as some sort of ultimate truth completely contradicts the original intent. <<< it is altogether dubious any original intent even exists, or that "intent" as a category is at all adequate to discuss the matter. perhaps a decent approach towards what "existential" sanely means in the context is provided by the "causes not purposes" dichotomy. there is no inten 1277122;1442451605;mircea_popescu;t, as such, nor any "progress" in the sense of "levelling up to krishna" and supersizing your karma serving. 1277123;1442451758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00076592 = 26.7306 BTC [+] 1277124;1442451764;mircea_popescu;"satisfied that he understands all the conditions and obligations contained herein, that he is entering into this agreement freely and voluntarily with full knowledge of its contents, that no additional promises have been made regarding his sentence, or potential sentences, and further, that he has read this entire agreement." 1277125;1442451778;mircea_popescu;satisfied that the car is in working condition and also that it has an engine at all! 1277126;1442451846;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol it got fixed ?! 1277127;1442452643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently! 1277128;1442452657;asciilifeform;or phixed. 1277129;1442452749;mircea_popescu;"the other residents of the drab soviet prefab block of flats always envied ivan ivanovich, for this inept pretense of normalcy that he found himself on the receiving end of, even if in all fairness it was not really his fault." 1277130;1442452894;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277112 <<<<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883003 1277131;1442452894;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 00:43:00; BingoBoingo: 'Murican problems: "The easiest way to handle an obese funeral is to refer the family to your competitor, but that rarely works, especially if you picked up the body strapped to two hospital mattresses, (oh the pain!)" http://www.oversizecasket.com/funeralprofessional.html 1277132;1442452894;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2014 03:19:21; asciilifeform: main danger, as i understand, is that their combustion will: create a visible plume of smoke. or, the ultimate catastrophe, 'auschwitzy' smell. 1277133;1442452915;asciilifeform;(this is ~the~ subject in the technical literature concerning cremation, in usa.) 1277134;1442452922;asciilifeform;i shit thee not 1277135;1442452928;mircea_popescu;it would be, neh ? 1277136;1442452949;mircea_popescu;"a unique celebration of life with honor and dignity. " 1277137;1442452966;mircea_popescu;for fucks sake. funerals should not be fucking celebrations of life. what the fuck do they do at weddings, mourn over the dead ? 1277138;1442452995;asciilifeform;funeral is the only remaining major party among some of these people. 1277139;1442453001;mircea_popescu;so annyoing, these children of mae pollitt. 1277140;1442453009;asciilifeform;(they don't marry, they don't x, or y, or z, but everybody dies) 1277141;1442453039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00076516 = 5.7387 BTC [-] 1277142;1442453039;mircea_popescu;good people come from eve and bad people spawned off lillith, but americans all crawled out from between the thighs of one mae pollitt! 1277143;1442453043;mircea_popescu;check me out, i'm poetic! 1277144;1442453053;asciilifeform;!s mae pollitt 1277145;1442453054;assbot;0 results for 'mae pollitt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mae+pollitt 1277146;1442453056;asciilifeform;hm. 1277147;1442453103;mircea_popescu;wife of "big daddy wanted me to become a lawyer, I became a lawyer. he said get married, I got married. he said have kids and i had kids and now he can't stand them. so he never loved me. fine! but I appeal to your common decency! gimme some money!" 1277148;1442453119;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1277080 << what is this 1277149;1442453119;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 23:06:12; shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/2ymj2wJ.png <<< allah snackbar! 1277150;1442453128;deedbot-;[Qntra] BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitpay-claims-hack-amounting-to-5000-bitcoins/ 1277151;1442453165;mircea_popescu;holy shit. AGAIN !? 1277152;1442453170;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1277153;1442453219;asciilifeform;'Bitpay tried to get its insurer to cover $950,000 of the loss, but in June the insurer declined to pay. Bitpay is now suing the insurer.' << gold 1277154;1442453226;asciilifeform;now insurance fraud as well. 1277155;1442453283;mircea_popescu;this is not fraud, it's a commercial dispute. 1277156;1442453308;BingoBoingo;https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/09/16/cnn-captures-glorious-split-screen-moment-between-donald-trump-and-rand-paul/ 1277157;1442453310;assbot;CNN captures glorious split-screen moment between Donald Trump and Rand Paul - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1iio1zt ) 1277158;1442453355;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ianal, but if they 'lost' the money and ~planned~ to milk the insurer, it is fraud 1277159;1442453391;asciilifeform;"He said, It looks like a movie bomb to me. 1277160;1442453392;mircea_popescu;well obviously misrepresentation in commercial matter is the substance of fraud, but so far, not there 1277161;1442453424;asciilifeform;reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1253912 1277162;1442453424;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 01:24:38; mircea_popescu: the people in life are people from movies, 1277163;1442453434;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277148 < a clock it seems > http://qntra.net/2015/09/war-on-engineering-teen-arrested-for-building-clock/ 1277164;1442453434;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:25:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1277080 << what is this 1277165;1442453435;assbot;War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7xSF ) 1277166;1442453435;asciilifeform;re: the 'clock bomb' 1277167;1442453461;asciilifeform;it is in the vlkischer beobachter now 1277168;1442453465;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/09/16/a-clock-is-not-a-bomb-ahmeds-arrest-and-why-we-cant-have-nice-things 1277169;1442453466;assbot;A clock is not a bomb. Ahmed’s arrest and why we can’t have nice things. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Krb3dB ) 1277170;1442453529;kakobrekla;“They were like, ‘So you tried to make a bomb?’” Ahmed said. 1277171;1442453529;kakobrekla;“I told them no, I was trying to make a clock.” 1277172;1442453529;kakobrekla;“He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’” 1277173;1442453531;kakobrekla;ahahaha 1277174;1442453541;kakobrekla;if it looks like a move bomb it must be real! 1277175;1442453605;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1277176;1442453606;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EV0PNE.txt ) 1277177;1442453682;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/022HWH4 1277178;1442453683;assbot;dpaste: 022HWH4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrbjJQ ) 1277179;1442453710;mircea_popescu;buncha fucken idiots. 1277180;1442453730;mircea_popescu;pity kids don't talk back more, you know ? "and you look like a movie idiot to me. where's that leave us." 1277181;1442453744;mircea_popescu;then they wonder why no girls throwing panties. well... this would be it eh. 1277182;1442453934;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1J3AHVW 1277183;1442453936;assbot;dpaste: 1J3AHVW ... ( http://bit.ly/1iioT77 ) 1277184;1442453968;mircea_popescu;aok then. 1277185;1442454016;BingoBoingo;I am ingnoratish in some matters. Also drinking anxiety vodka hoping my horse Rand can get the seven minutes. 1277186;1442454040;mircea_popescu;is that tonite ? 1277187;1442454050;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this 1277188;1442454050;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iip02I ) 1277189;1442454061;asciilifeform;as in, not even soldered anything. 1277190;1442454068;asciilifeform;MIT-worthy!! 1277191;1442454128;asciilifeform;notice the object in the lower half of the attache. it is a mains transformer. plug still attached. 1277192;1442454135;BingoBoingo; is that tonite ? Yeah but I dun have cable, refuse adobeFlasherast, and can't torrent a livestream so must wait. 1277193;1442454142;mircea_popescu;"It is not uncommon for the family to buy two or even three grave plots for burial." 1277194;1442454143;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 1277195;1442454144;asciilifeform;in the left side of the hinge, there is a 9v battery connector, hanging loose. 1277196;1442454166;asciilifeform;he broke apart a perfectly good clock. 1277197;1442454178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with kid breaking up the shit in the house to make a shitty lesser something 1277198;1442454191;mircea_popescu;up until the age of about 13 or so anyway 1277199;1442454197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not per se. but this is being pushed as 'scholar' 1277200;1442454199;asciilifeform;'engineering' 1277201;1442454204;mircea_popescu;well the usians are retarded. 1277202;1442454209;asciilifeform;mr o: 'hey kid, nice clock, bring it to white house!' 1277203;1442454216;asciilifeform;i shit thee not, official communique 1277204;1442454222;mircea_popescu;13 yo performance, in the united states of america and the republic of congo, counts as scholarly engineering. 1277205;1442454271;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is this observation qntra-worthy? 1277206;1442454286;asciilifeform;eh, why even bother. 1277207;1442454347;mircea_popescu;can always make a comment 1277208;1442454383;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: is this observation qntra-worthy? << If you want to write it up or just drop it as a comment I have no reason to deny you that. 1277209;1442454460;mircea_popescu;Kampfblatt der nationalsozialistischen Bewegung Grodeutschlands!!! 1277210;1442454471;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1277211;1442454471;mircea_popescu;kampf BLATT! fucking perfect. 1277212;1442454478;mircea_popescu;blat, in romanian, is the bread of a cake. 1277213;1442454493;asciilifeform;in ru something quite else 1277214;1442454493;mircea_popescu;so, "the warlike dough" so to speak 1277215;1442454497;asciilifeform;does not actually translate to english 1277216;1442454499;mircea_popescu;aha :) 1277217;1442454728;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: posted. 1277218;1442454774;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Approved 1277219;1442454860;asciilifeform;this does not cancel the idiocy of the whole thing, imho only enhances it 1277220;1442454866;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1277221;1442454987;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_133-075%2C_Worms%2C_Antisemitische_Presse%2C_%22Strmerkasten%22.jpg << how the fuck can these people read newspaper print from two feet away. 1277222;1442454988;assbot;501 Not Implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiql9z ) 1277223;1442455001;mircea_popescu;fucking master race check that out. 1277224;1442455005;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/09/war-on-engineering-teen-arrested-for-building-clock/#comment-58011 1277225;1442455006;assbot;War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiqlX8 ) 1277226;1442455008;mircea_popescu;i bet they didn't even need glasses aged 12. 1277227;1442455030;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the advent of crt ruined eyes 1277228;1442455057;asciilifeform;everybody's mother, turns out, was right. 1277229;1442455072;mircea_popescu;must be. 1277230;1442455074;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: l0l 1277231;1442455122;asciilifeform;fwiw, my brother, who did not see a computer until adulthood, has perfect vision. 1277232;1442455139;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: the advent of crt ruined eyes << First summer after high school when exposed to computer monitors daily for extended periods of time first... Eyesight measurably worsened, kept myself to panel display only as much as I can after that 1277233;1442455181;mircea_popescu;i have perfect vision, in spite of being on computers since about age 9. nevertheless, that distance is still uncomfortable for the purpose. 1277234;1442455232;asciilifeform;different folks can take different amount of abuse before permanent mutilation, sure. 1277235;1442455300;BingoBoingo;Up until that summer I used to be able to get all but the last line on the snell chart without effort. Last line could get about 75% nao cursed with 20/20 ish vision 1277236;1442455437;mircea_popescu;20/20 is not perfect ? merely normal ? 1277237;1442455454;asciilifeform;it is sorta analogous to '100 iq' 1277238;1442455455;asciilifeform;iirc. 1277239;1442455485;asciilifeform;'you will receive the standard substandard education!' -- 'tron' 1277240;1442455563;mircea_popescu;this mention of the snellen chart finally jarred my understanding of the very widespread misconception that closing eye improves aim accuracy 1277241;1442455568;mircea_popescu;THE DOCTOR MAKES YOU CLOSE ONE EYE 1277242;1442455575;mircea_popescu;this, of course, because he is diagnosing one item at a time 1277243;1442455580;asciilifeform;aha. 1277244;1442455583;mircea_popescu;but "the intuition" thus formed is that you see better 1277245;1442455610;asciilifeform;of course, if you have a monstrously uneven nearsightedness, you ~do~ see better 1277246;1442455642;asciilifeform;but somehow i don't think this applies to most folks afflicted with 'one-eyed' aim 1277247;1442455723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13449 @ 0.00076106 = 10.2355 BTC [-] 1277248;1442455748;BingoBoingo; but somehow i don't think this applies to most folks afflicted with 'one-eyed' aim << The reason for closing one eye is reaction speed and avoiding "noise" that emerges in binocular vision when eyes are disparate in their image quality. 1277249;1442455761;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=1 out of range 1277250;1442455761;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=2 out of range 1277251;1442455761;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=3 out of range 1277252;1442455761;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=4 out of range 1277253;1442455761;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=5 out of range 1277254;1442455762;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=6 out of range 1277255;1442455764;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=7 out of range 1277256;1442455766;asciilifeform;ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=8 out of range........ 1277257;1442455768;asciilifeform;repeated 10,001 times 1277258;1442455772;asciilifeform;for fuck's sake. 1277259;1442455807;asciilifeform;i suppose this is the opposite magnetic pole from chicks throwing panties at you 1277260;1442455818;BingoBoingo;Probably. 1277261;1442455848;asciilifeform;is that thing actually relayed by somebody, or cooked special-order for my box, i wonder. 1277262;1442455876;BingoBoingo;it wasn't my node, though it is peering with zoolag instead of Dulap nao 1277263;1442455878;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1277264;1442455882;gribble;Current Blocks: 374868 | Current Difficulty: 5.695764845501001E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 374975 | Next Difficulty In: 107 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1277265;1442455888;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: zoolag is my only remaining operating node. 1277266;1442455901;asciilifeform;(not counting incitatus, which is a thousand blocks behind) 1277267;1442455906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37081 @ 0.00075532 = 28.008 BTC [-] {3} 1277268;1442455921;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Depending on how this bet goes I may get planned node Quantrill running sometime next month. 1277269;1442455934;asciilifeform;neato 1277270;1442455975;asciilifeform;at one point i had a thought: that one might win from logging monstrous tx-en 1277271;1442455982;BingoBoingo;Just waiting to see if Apel refreshes the Mac Mini to drop used prices some more 1277272;1442455989;asciilifeform;a good chunk of these is, likely, attempts at massage 1277273;1442456010;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why on earth would you buy crapple unless intending to run their bizarre os 1277274;1442456036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: machine of equivalent horsepower and physical dimensions costs around a benjie, brand-new. 1277275;1442456111;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/STvv9k2.jpg << and the end of bitfinex 1277276;1442456112;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iis6DV ) 1277277;1442456123;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: machine of equivalent horsepower and physical dimensions costs around a benjie, brand-new. << Not of identical appearance though. Still looking at that model specific colo niche 1277278;1442456162;mircea_popescu;apparently they DIDNT actually pay off all the 10-50mn they owed people for their most recent fraudulent move. 1277279;1442456165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! they're still alive ??!!! 1277280;1442456182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why does it need to have identical appearance? 1277281;1442456185;mircea_popescu;the land of fictitious persons is mostly notable in a dire absence of death. 1277282;1442456217;asciilifeform;now this is a certainty. 1277283;1442456229;asciilifeform;they die, but quietly mummify in the cold vacuum. 1277284;1442456270;mircea_popescu;myeah 1277285;1442456275;mircea_popescu;not even always quietly. 1277286;1442456346;asciilifeform;i do confess, i expected them to get away with it 1277287;1442456351;asciilifeform;cleanly 1277288;1442456381;asciilifeform;(that is, that 'crime pays' for so long as it involves moving btc to usg coffers and not otherwise) 1277289;1442456396;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: why does it need to have identical appearance? << Apparently Mac Mini in particular is a colocation niche 1277290;1442456418;asciilifeform;ah now i vaguely recall this. 1277291;1442456427;asciilifeform;(old thread) 1277292;1442456445;mircea_popescu;it's more complicated than that. a very complex balancing act of multiple separate agencies and the overriding consideration of "is the image hit worth it" all evaluated through multiple layers. 1277293;1442456458;mircea_popescu;it's a full time job. of the nature and substance of learning to secure windows installations. 1277294;1442456470;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: https://macstadium.com/ and other cheaper options, leader at this point because apparently have "DDoS mitigation" 1277295;1442456472;assbot;MacStadium - Dedicated Mac Mini Hosting, Colocation, and Cloud Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE6ajV ) 1277296;1442456496;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'ddos mitigation' is virtually guaranteed not to help you. likely - the opposite. 1277297;1442456508;BingoBoingo; apparently they DIDNT actually pay off all the 10-50mn they owed people for their most recent fraudulent move. << care to qntra it? 1277298;1442456516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4619 @ 0.00075138 = 3.4706 BTC [-] 1277299;1442456525;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << there is a trilema 1277300;1442456526;assbot;So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik ) 1277301;1442456529;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: 'ddos mitigation' is virtually guaranteed not to help you. likely - the opposite. << ANd then move to one of the ten or so other providers 1277302;1442456549;BingoBoingo; http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << there is a trilema << But the trilema is not their failure to pay 1277303;1442456550;assbot;So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik ) 1277304;1442456591;mircea_popescu;mmmm 1277305;1442456592;mircea_popescu;meh. 1277306;1442456631;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3l37lp/did_the_bitcoin_xt_died/cv32dgx 1277307;1442456633;assbot;cryptonaut420 comments on Did the bitcoin xt died? ... ( http://bit.ly/1iisORD ) 1277308;1442456633;mircea_popescu;fucking epic. 1277309;1442456639;mircea_popescu;"Gavin and mike are busy travelling again this month https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoin-xt/l0PA7UBuH9s 1277310;1442456639;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1iisP7Z ) 1277311;1442456639;mircea_popescu;The rest of us are busy working, and also a lot of people starting school and stuff so this is a slow period in general." 1277312;1442456662;mircea_popescu;i think the bitcoin xt might have did the died. 1277313;1442456680;mircea_popescu;but the shit artists are, of course, "traveling". 1277314;1442456696;mircea_popescu;which is why they call them "traveling people" historically, or "conference scum" more recently. 1277315;1442456727;asciilifeform;'Jeszcze ' Bitcoin XT ' nie zginęła, / Kiedy my żyjemy. / Co nam obca przemoc wzięła, / Szablą odbierzemy.' (tm) (r) (pl) 1277316;1442456741;mircea_popescu;"We have plenty of time to see how this debate plays out. There is overwhelming support from the community, the merchant ecosystem and miners for a blocksize increase. If Core fails to sort out its governance issues, then by the time this problem really comes to the fore, XT will be the only solution implemented and readily available," 1277317;1442456759;mircea_popescu;i bet the author is this stupid fat kid that's "a feminist" and also "really supports" womenz. 1277318;1442456777;mircea_popescu;and you know, once they get their bad boy issues sorted, he'll be the only one ready, lubed up and with a (6 inch!) erection going! 1277319;1442456830;mircea_popescu;http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemontgomery/2015/09/15/bitcoin-is-only-the-beginning-for-blockchain-technology/ << still with this ? seriously ? 1277320;1442456831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iit8jg ) 1277321;1442456840;mircea_popescu;see alf, they never die. they just keep derping 1277322;1442456880;BingoBoingo; i bet the author is this stupid fat kid that's "a feminist" and also "really supports" womenz. << You forget the FUDA: Fat Usurped Dick Area... Basically when the pubic fat is too much for the dick to be externally visible 1277323;1442456894;mircea_popescu;o.O 1277324;1442456898;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: l0l! 1277325;1442456901;mircea_popescu;this happens doesn't it. 1277326;1442456906;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is there a magic point, one wonders 1277327;1442456909;asciilifeform;where it... envaginates 1277328;1442456910;BingoBoingo;It happens 1277329;1442456912;mircea_popescu;so basically dudes get so fucking fat there's an ad hoc slit created around their cock 1277330;1442456925;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Lemme dig for a medical photograph 1277331;1442456925;mircea_popescu;which doesn't have any of the antibacterial and drainage benefits of the female version 1277332;1442456927;mircea_popescu;good god 1277333;1442456933;asciilifeform;if only p. t. barnum lived today ! 1277334;1442456941;mircea_popescu;this conversation just blew my mind 1277335;1442456953;asciilifeform;!b 13 1277336;1442456953;assbot;Last 13 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EQ6YR7.txt ) 1277337;1442456954;mircea_popescu;dude no wonder they're misrepresenting themselves as "gay" and "transsexual" and whatnot. 1277338;1442456969;mircea_popescu;if you're sufficiently stupid and fat, that really becomes your gender. 1277339;1442456977;mircea_popescu;there's male, female and stupidfat. 1277340;1442456992;BingoBoingo;first lol reddit 1277341;1442456998;mod6;ok. try out http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1277342;1442456999;assbot;VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1277343;1442457005;asciilifeform;i suspect that ~this~ magical apogee is not reached until you get to 'too big for the crematorium' max level. 1277344;1442457023;asciilifeform;mod6: this is perfect. 1277345;1442457030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a product. 50% stupid 50% fat is more stupidfat than 150% fat 5% stupid. 1277346;1442457037;mod6;put the leafs to the same rank, and added the source file names to the arrows. some of the arrow heads come together, so just zoom in and hover over the line if need be. 1277347;1442457044;mod6;thanks asciilifeform 1277348;1442457071;asciilifeform;finally, 'v' is useful ! 1277349;1442457079;mircea_popescu;ok that's pretty awersome mod6 1277350;1442457090;asciilifeform;works ~exactly~ as i envisioned 1277351;1442457150;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277142 << it's because of Eve that none are good 1277352;1442457150;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:23:59; mircea_popescu: good people come from eve and bad people spawned off lillith, but americans all crawled out from between the thighs of one mae pollitt! 1277353;1442457158;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277197 << not unlike noob crafters in Eulora? 1277354;1442457158;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:42:58; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with kid breaking up the shit in the house to make a shitty lesser something 1277355;1442457171;asciilifeform;more or less what i pictured when http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-08-2015#1238291 1277356;1442457171;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 00:12:27; asciilifeform: a versioning system that is merely a few kb of script 1277357;1442457210;asciilifeform;mod6: ~and~ this displays without horizontal scrolling on all of my displays. 1277358;1442457211;asciilifeform;mega-win. 1277359;1442457226;mircea_popescu;!rated mod6 1277360;1442457226;assbot;You rated user mod6 on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: The cave, age, tace school of thought. Nice work with the Bitcoin Foundation.. 1277361;1442457258;mircea_popescu;yeah. mod6 for president. 1277362;1442457305;BingoBoingo;NOT SAFE FOR LIFE https://slimgur.com/image/z02 1277363;1442457307;assbot;34d8cf0a66dd51181d6adc61282ae6f6 - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE7uTW ) 1277364;1442457349;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu 1277365;1442457385;BingoBoingo;ALso fastest qntra climb on reddit so far https://archive.is/tZNTs 1277366;1442457386;assbot;BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE7zqW ) 1277367;1442457389;asciilifeform;all that remains is to bolt a patch-eater onto it and then the classical turdatron can enjoy a quiet retirement 1277368;1442457400;mircea_popescu;dude no fucking way 1277369;1442457428;BingoBoingo; i suspect that ~this~ magical apogee is not reached until you get to 'too big for the crematorium' max level. << Apparently not even that big 1277370;1442457477;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that poor schmuck can't even seppuku without grazing his cock 1277371;1442457494;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seriously 1277372;1442457495;asciilifeform;(and would he have to use a full katana, instead of the usual wakizashi ?) 1277373;1442457523;BingoBoingo;May actually have to use one of those hydraulic log splitters 1277374;1442457528;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1277375;1442457529;asciilifeform;yes 1277376;1442457609;asciilifeform;mod6: possible idea for future graph: colour the patches officially blessed by mod6+ben_vulpes green 1277377;1442457613;asciilifeform;('release') 1277378;1442457630;mod6;solid idea, Sir. 1277379;1442457647;mod6;easy enough to add that logic in 1277380;1442457652;mod6;(famous last words) 1277381;1442457660;mircea_popescu;mod6 no, do this : use the color bits! 1277382;1442457673;asciilifeform;alternatively, chessboard-alternate colour of patches included in releases; ones not included, remain white 1277383;1442457682;mircea_popescu;there are what, 24 bits of color ? take the 24 signatories most highly ranked by mike and set or unset bytes accordingly. 1277384;1442457684;mircea_popescu;can this be done ? 1277385;1442457703;mod6;oh huh! 1277386;1442457717;mod6;im sure something can be done there. 1277387;1442457721;mod6;:] 1277388;1442457726;asciilifeform;set the text to be negated 24 bits of this, to remain readable 1277389;1442457764;asciilifeform;this would make it a little hard to indicate actually-released-vs-not, though, no ? 1277390;1442457781;mircea_popescu;well because of the nature of the svg, you actually get very predictablew coloring 1277391;1442457789;mircea_popescu;because you can add your own postprocessing to null out some bytes. 1277392;1442457804;mircea_popescu;some bits* 1277393;1442457826;mircea_popescu;ie your green if foundation signed can be interpreted from it if one so wishes in one linbe 1277394;1442457838;asciilifeform;iirc it takes standard vga 24-bit colour for text and background 1277395;1442457857;mircea_popescu;ya 1277396;1442457871;mod6;it's this kinda thing: http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/manual/att_colors.html 1277397;1442457874;*;asciilifeform pulls svg spec down from shelf, blows off eons of dust 1277398;1442457901;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/EYlcU 1277399;1442457902;assbot;Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiuLNU ) 1277400;1442457927;mircea_popescu;mod6 ya, RGB: rgb(255,0,128) (0 .. 255, 0 .. 255, 0 .. 255) << so basically its 01010101 10101010 01010101 1277401;1442457972;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l844m/email_from_cftc_asking_about_bitfinex_trading << l0l 1277402;1442457974;assbot;Email from CFTC asking about BitFinex trading activities : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiuR80 ) 1277403;1442457974;mircea_popescu;this would indicate that of the collection of people who signed, the 2nd 4th 6th 8th 9th 11th 13th etc signed it 1277404;1442458048;asciilifeform;woah the arrow mouseovers work !! 1277405;1442458055;mircea_popescu;:D 1277406;1442458092;mircea_popescu;i wanna send this guy a cookie or something i like him so much 1277407;1442458106;mod6;awe :] 1277408;1442458137;mod6;yup, now you have descendants 1277409;1442458148;asciilifeform;i officially take back the thing i said re: things not getting done until i do them ...! 1277410;1442458159;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1277411;1442458159;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/008R957.txt ) 1277412;1442458163;mod6;that part of the code is gnarly. gotta re-work a bunch of this. 1277413;1442458236;mircea_popescu;mod6 i take it that the idea of making V the epicenter of bitcoin releases going further is aprpoved by the foundation ? 1277414;1442458272;*;mircea_popescu will send 1 btc to the foundation donation nao, because srsly. 1277415;1442458282;mod6;it is by me anyway! 1277416;1442458308;mod6;Thank you, Sir! 1277417;1442458419;*;BingoBoingo humbly requests a knowledgeable party write a qntra on the recent v-gasm 1277418;1442458421;asciilifeform;btw this is the picture i needed to finally say clearly how 'v' ~was meant to work~ 1277419;1442458462;mod6;'V' is beautiful in its simplicity. 1277420;1442458463;asciilifeform;a 'press' of, e.g., bleeding-edge would take asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch and asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch as the 'head' arguments. 1277421;1442458510;asciilifeform;right now it takes asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch - but this is misleading, because it does not in fact depend on asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch 1277422;1442458590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33353 @ 0.00076419 = 25.488 BTC [+] {5} 1277423;1442458603;mod6;that's one of the next things i have to tackle, aside from the cleanup of some stuff: press 1277424;1442458651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00076592 = 27.2668 BTC [+] 1277425;1442458818;asciilifeform;other thing worth noting is how it would behave with multiple root ('genesis') nodes 1277426;1442458827;asciilifeform;this will happen, for example, when we finally... add a file 1277427;1442458843;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277129 << i can't read 'ivanovich' without thinking of anna karenina, but there was no ivan there iirc. where's this from, mircea_popescu ? 1277428;1442458843;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:19:09; mircea_popescu: "the other residents of the drab soviet prefab block of flats always envied ivan ivanovich, for this inept pretense of normalcy that he found himself on the receiving end of, even if in all fairness it was not really his fault." 1277429;1442458869;pete_dushenski;not that anna karenina lived in a time of soviet flats... 1277430;1442459112;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: incidentally, how is 'qntra' meant to be spoken? i will confess that to me it is 'kvantra', rhyming with 'mantra' 1277431;1442459137;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mentally I pronounce it Cunt-Raw 1277432;1442459142;asciilifeform;l0l neat 1277433;1442459149;BingoBoingo;But mantra is fine too 1277434;1442459171;pete_dushenski;i read 'quant-tra' 1277435;1442459239;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Or numeric posts are small, quant is prolly inaccurate at this time, but you know how to fix that... 1277436;1442459271;pete_dushenski;indeed :) 1277437;1442459273;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: another conundrum that bedevils me, what is the 'correct' way to open the -92 !? 1277438;1442459281;asciilifeform;i feel like i'm mangling it every time i pull that lid off. 1277439;1442459302;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I just rip the lid off and stopped doing that when I cracked the lid 1277440;1442459332;asciilifeform;hm, discovered that grasping the thing from both sides on top and mildly flexing towards the center makes it pop cleanly off. 1277441;1442459357;asciilifeform;this was suggested by the three finger-shaped ridges on each side. 1277442;1442459367;asciilifeform;was this thing built for martians or what. 1277443;1442459378;asciilifeform;i had to use my brain, this is obscene 1277444;1442459394;BingoBoingo;But everything else, intuitive 1277445;1442459496;*;asciilifeform celebrates mod6's achievement, with a tin of sprats 1277446;1442459547;*;BingoBoingo has tiny wheel of cheddar set out to achieve room temperature last night ready for a celebration. Fuck it V... will wait to see officialish clock on Rand time 1277447;1442459568;mod6;asciilifeform: :D 1277448;1442459810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00076493 = 20.7296 BTC [-] 1277449;1442460196;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277196 << this is evidently the definition of terrorism. no different than http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276902 1277450;1442460196;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:42:46; asciilifeform: he broke apart a perfectly good clock. 1277451;1442460196;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 20:54:27; mircea_popescu: go break into their trunk box, cut the connection to home, install your own firmware ? 1277452;1442460225;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/644338075527696384 1277453;1442460286;pete_dushenski;@RealIndyTails24 51m51 minutes ago: @JebBush Sorry George did 9/11 << lulzy reply 1277454;1442460395;pete_dushenski;"t the intracellular level, discoveries now reveal the existence of 'mitochondrial synapses' establishing mitochondrial networks, with defined chromatin-modifying mitochondrial output signals capable of orchestrating gene expression across the genome. These discoveries raise the possibility that in addition to their role as powerhouses and neuromodulators, mitochondria behave as intracellular signal-processing n 1277455;1442460395;pete_dushenski;etworks." 1277456;1442460450;pete_dushenski;so much for the second-grade-level 'mitochondria as the cell's powerplant' theory 1277457;1442460459;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: mitochondria are alien in every sense 1277458;1442460494;pete_dushenski;aha. other life form internalised. 1277459;1442460504;pete_dushenski;symbiotised. 1277460;1442460513;pete_dushenski;permanently 1277461;1442460713;asciilifeform;https://github.com/Maratyszcza/PeachPy << l0l! python aficionados reinvent borland macroassembler !! 1277462;1442460714;assbot;Maratyszcza/PeachPy · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrizW4 ) 1277463;1442460745;BingoBoingo;Well most mitochondria are capable of being culutred on their own in the manner of bacteria (what anyone seriously though 'mitochondiral dna' test were for any reason other chan cheaper?) 1277464;1442460767;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242144155107453@naggum.no.html << obligatory 1277465;1442460768;assbot;Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrizFw ) 1277466;1442460780;BingoBoingo;lol asciilifeform 1277467;1442460807;asciilifeform;Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best. Gratuitous re-invention is very appealing to some people. It means that they do not have to cope with anybody else's ideas. They may hope to garner support behind them, but th 1277468;1442460807;asciilifeform;ey sure are not going to be behind anybody else.' 1277469;1442460916;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277338 << i lolled 1277470;1442460916;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 02:29:29; mircea_popescu: if you're sufficiently stupid and fat, that really becomes your gender. 1277471;1442460941;asciilifeform;but is it actually necessary to be fat for this ? 1277472;1442460944;asciilifeform;or merely stupid. 1277473;1442460969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00076516 = 18.5551 BTC [+] {3} 1277474;1442460999;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: to be androgenous instead of a man ? 1277475;1442461006;asciilifeform;no 1277476;1442461015;asciilifeform;to have 'stupid' as your gender. 1277477;1442461033;BingoBoingo;Prolly combinations. 1277478;1442461095;BingoBoingo;Stupid is prolly more somewhere along the lines of preference. Stupidly obeast though has physiolocical characteristics which necessitate identifying as fat-gendered among the afflicted 1277479;1442461212;BingoBoingo;Summary of reddit in lolvotes https://archive.is/bGaWl 1277480;1442461213;assbot;StubNuts comments on BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KihBrx ) 1277481;1442461288;BingoBoingo;Reddit is mostly downvotes, it must take admin intervention for anything to appear upvoted prolly 1277482;1442461602;asciilifeform;anybody here an ml aficionado ? 1277483;1442461604;asciilifeform;phf ? 1277484;1442461628;BingoBoingo;ml? 1277485;1442461630;BingoBoingo; Great human moment for Jeb on marijuana. And he invoked America's most popular Bush. Mama! #NBC2016 #CNNDebate 1277486;1442461630;BingoBoingo; Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 17, 2015 1277487;1442461630;BingoBoingo; Sorry Mom 1277488;1442461630;BingoBoingo; Jeb Bush (@JebBush) September 17, 2015 1277489;1442461651;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ml is a programming language 1277490;1442461662;BingoBoingo;AH 1277491;1442461669;asciilifeform;the original ultra-strong-typed lang 1277492;1442461671;BingoBoingo;Too many of those. 1277493;1442461675;asciilifeform;(not counting ada) 1277494;1442461688;BingoBoingo;THrow them all in the fire see which ones aren't too charred 1277495;1442461697;asciilifeform;this one's been roasting for a long time. 1277496;1442461754;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: All in the same fire, add more coal. 1277497;1442461762;BingoBoingo;Same as dealing with SSD disposal 1277498;1442461811;pete_dushenski;easier if you have ssd by xerox 1277499;1442461866;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Anything with silicon can burn to unreadable 1277500;1442461899;pete_dushenski;or explode 1277501;1442462043;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best. Gratuitous re-invention is very appealing to some people. << cstropes done by naggum. now that'd be a sight. 1277502;1442462084;mircea_popescu; or merely stupid. <<< it's a product. best results (area) for equal sides. but astounding performance can be obtained even with only one of the two 1277503;1442462169;*;BingoBoingo now looking for concordant counts of tonight's speaking times 1277504;1442462177;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 1277505;1442462185;asciilifeform;'What do we do when we encounter double integrals? First, we cry. When we are done crying, we solve.' 1277506;1442462195;asciilifeform;who said this ? 1277507;1442462201;mircea_popescu;heh. srsly, what's the big deal ? 1277508;1442462205;mircea_popescu;triple are worse then ? 1277509;1442462211;asciilifeform;(found on www, unattributed. but this was brin the elder! he utters this a few weeks into the class.) 1277510;1442462211;mircea_popescu;n-sum over sums ? worse still ? 1277511;1442462225;asciilifeform;this was spoken to n00bz. 1277512;1442462246;mircea_popescu;he did intro classes too ? 1277513;1442462255;mircea_popescu;no wonder he looks like he sucked down a pickle through a garden hose. 1277514;1442462269;asciilifeform;hey they had him teach remedial math when he was fresh off the boat 1277515;1442462272;asciilifeform;to footballists. 1277516;1442462280;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#comment-115361 << i am suspek this will be one of those articles where people come to cry their hurt butts long after anything. 1277517;1442462281;assbot;Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrjJ3C ) 1277518;1442462281;asciilifeform;only then promoted to people 1277519;1442462286;mircea_popescu;there's maybe 100 or so of them so far. 1277520;1442462297;mircea_popescu;spontaneous tearcombustion 5 years later sorta deal 1277521;1442462323;BingoBoingo;Quick lol https://archive.is/tbDVd 1277522;1442462325;assbot;Second Republican debate: Candidates pick women to be on $10 bill - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrjK7X ) 1277523;1442462336;mircea_popescu;THAT is a debate ? 1277524;1442462355;mircea_popescu;there's really nobody left that both can read and watches daytime tv, is there. 1277525;1442462360;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Tis a question, because beople are bopple are coters 1277526;1442462368;BingoBoingo;No there isn't 1277527;1442462471;BingoBoingo; to footballists. << Now that is purely the domain of grad students who know they can starve, not immigrants who could Tanzania 1277528;1442462496;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's a topologist to do in tanzania ? 1277529;1442462529;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Teach algebra to Future Farmers of Africa and pay less rent 1277530;1442462546;mircea_popescu;and get eager blowjobs. 1277531;1442462568;asciilifeform;(~that~ particular topologist would work great in tanzania. on his atomic dirigible ! for all i know, it is parked there ~right now~) 1277532;1442462587;asciilifeform;blasting heathen scum to hell with death ray 1277533;1442462613;asciilifeform;but - that's today. 1277534;1442462622;mircea_popescu;topologist, twerpologist, what the hell's the diffewence. 1277535;1442462626;BingoBoingo;I'm kinda starting to think the more I read that Tanzania might not be joke for too long. Seriously looking like hardware #b-a candidate 1277536;1442462632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ask perelman. 1277537;1442462637;asciilifeform;perhaps he can tell you the difference. 1277538;1442462667;mircea_popescu;trick is tricky! perelman doesn't talk! 1277539;1442462671;asciilifeform;ahahahaha. 1277540;1442462682;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you must africa, consider addis ababa 1277541;1442462693;mircea_popescu;abeba 1277542;1442462722;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b5 1277543;1442462729;asciilifeform;they have statue of pushkin, even. 1277544;1442462769;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: if you must africa, consider addis ababa << Too USG and Obola was born too near. Now Dar es Salam with 19 HIV free ebony girls for every infected... 1277545;1442462772;mircea_popescu;basically alf wants to live in the asshole of a continent 1277546;1442462784;mircea_popescu;be it wash dc or the "capital of africa", he gotta be next to the fucking un building. 1277547;1442462790;BingoBoingo; basically alf wants to live in the asshole of a continent << He already does 1277548;1442462799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00076592 = 9.8804 BTC [+] 1277549;1442462801;asciilifeform;wait that continent has ~other~ organs ?! 1277550;1442462811;asciilifeform;i thought it was a kind of starfish klein bottle 1277551;1442462812;asciilifeform;all arse 1277552;1442462820;mircea_popescu;it has a penis, currently more or less erect towards south africa 1277553;1442462836;BingoBoingo;It's debateable whether DC with the potomac river outflow is more anal than New Orleans with the Mississippi river outflow... 1277554;1442462904;BingoBoingo;Tanzania like Argentian though has day hike-able mountain in kilimanjaro, much like Argentina has Ancongua 1277555;1442462907;asciilifeform;where are the arse, mouth, cock, of south america ? 1277556;1442463034;BingoBoingo;Liberia, Egypt, Kenya. 1277557;1442463039;BingoBoingo;Wait, wrong continent 1277558;1442463057;BingoBoingo;Rio, Bueno Aires, Darien 1277559;1442463083;mircea_popescu;na the arse of sa is prolly venezuela 1277560;1442463104;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/09/war-on-engineering-teen-arrested-for-building-clock/#comment-58059 << mit, here ahmed comes ! 1277561;1442463105;assbot;War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lzs9CH ) 1277562;1442463208;BingoBoingo;To Bustle.com http://dpaste.com/0VYPKCT 1277563;1442463209;assbot;dpaste: 0VYPKCT ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lzseq3 ) 1277564;1442463222;BingoBoingo; na the arse of sa is prolly venezuela << Venezuela is more of a fistula 1277565;1442463250;BingoBoingo;May be confused with arse because similar stink and fecal leakage 1277566;1442463266;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277546 << y'know, it ~is~ possible to like eating meat but ~not~ eating maggot 1277567;1442463266;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 04:06:24; mircea_popescu: be it wash dc or the "capital of africa", he gotta be next to the fucking un building. 1277568;1442463294;asciilifeform;yeah, i get it, grandfather lenin did say, 'intellectuals are not the nation's brain but it's starfish'. 1277569;1442463307;asciilifeform;but why the fuck would i live out of range of a university with a maths library. 1277570;1442463310;mircea_popescu;This is a wake up call to every Bitcoin CEO reading this thread. WE are ALL at risk and we could be next. Use BitGo, Xapo, or Coinbase to lock up large balances of corporate funds 1277571;1442463314;mircea_popescu;yeah dude, TOTALLY. 1277572;1442463319;asciilifeform;l0l! 1277573;1442463330;mircea_popescu;the inept handling of coins by bitpay, perhaps the most washed of the entire fiat crowd masquerading around bitcoin 1277574;1442463338;mircea_popescu;is going to make me give coins to some of the worst idiots in that same space 1277575;1442463359;mircea_popescu;i dunno what sort of retards these people are, but it's not naturally orcuring. 1277576;1442463366;mircea_popescu;this level of stupid has to be refined industrially. 1277577;1442463369;asciilifeform;k0smic ray enabled. 1277578;1442463396;asciilifeform;and wai wut, where is the worse alternative to 'bitpay' ?! 1277579;1442463411;mircea_popescu;bitgo ? xapo ? coinbase ? take your pick. 1277580;1442463415;mircea_popescu;fucking buttfinex on a stick. 1277581;1442463420;asciilifeform;aren't they all tendrils 1277582;1442463423;asciilifeform;of same animal 1277583;1442463431;mircea_popescu;that may or may not be the case. 1277584;1442463439;mircea_popescu;but like an indian's hands are both tendrils of the same filth, 1277585;1442463447;mircea_popescu;nevertheless the right and the left differ in how often they visit the asshole. 1277586;1442463453;BingoBoingo;!Up Duffer1 1277587;1442463457;asciilifeform;iirc coinbase is straight from paul graham's fetid orifice 1277588;1442463478;mircea_popescu;eh not even, a whole snakepit of scammers/fraudsters/vcs 1277589;1442463481;mircea_popescu;but i repeat myself. 1277590;1442463559;mircea_popescu;"You dont need entropy to create an ECDSA signature. You do need it to create an RSA signature, for padding." 1277591;1442463570;asciilifeform;bawaaawart 1277592;1442463573;asciilifeform;wtf 1277593;1442463621;asciilifeform;unrelated (or perhaps not), i found the source of the peculiarly retarded nonstandard tx floods 1277594;1442463635;asciilifeform;a few boxen in 'bitnodes.io' 1277595;1442463644;mircea_popescu;well yeah 1277596;1442463677;copypaste;11:10:10*+mircea_popescu copypaste who was it again ? 1277597;1442463680;copypaste;I will PM you. 1277598;1442463684;mircea_popescu;aite. 1277599;1442463701;asciilifeform;!s bitnodes 1277600;1442463703;assbot;37 results for 'bitnodes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitnodes 1277601;1442463896;BingoBoingo;copypaste: I love your twitter dispatches from the Islands. Keep on rolling on! 1277602;1442463917;mircea_popescu;" Sorry, pricing information requires JavaScript. " 1277603;1442463922;mircea_popescu;fucktarded aws srsly. 1277604;1442463961;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: re: Brin https://8ch.net/bane/res/82335.html 1277605;1442463962;assbot;/bane/ - TIA Posting ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lzt3iB ) 1277606;1442464016;asciilifeform;wawat 1277607;1442464035;BingoBoingo;https://8ch.net/bane/res/82314.html#82320 1277608;1442464036;assbot;/bane/ - IS DONALD TRUMP JUST ANOTHER HOTHEAD??http://vine.co/v/eU59mHr0b5PHE'S NOT IN CHARGE HERE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lzt71G ) 1277609;1442464042;copypaste;:) 1277610;1442464066;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i lack the correct lsd for this site. 1277611;1442464086;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your brain still makes DMT, try shaking it? 1277612;1442464097;asciilifeform;am i supposed to recognize the fella in that picture ? 1277613;1442464112;BingoBoingo;In the last one under tha mask, prolly 1277614;1442464124;BingoBoingo;He's the next Kenyan in line 1277615;1442464125;asciilifeform;no, the first link 1277616;1442464140;BingoBoingo;An, that is from the film with the mask 1277617;1442464160;BingoBoingo;He's the first USG stooge to die 1277618;1442464188;*;asciilifeform actually saw the film, but has forgotten ~everything~ other than the scene with the jail 1277619;1442464211;BingoBoingo;lol 1277620;1442464226;BingoBoingo;I actually would not unexpect that with you 1277621;1442464239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would probably appreciate that scene 1277622;1442464241;asciilifeform;and it alone 1277623;1442464245;copypaste;AWS is quite expensive, but the great thing about it is you never get down due to DDoS. 1277624;1442464250;copypaste;Even if you have to pay $10K for the traffic. 1277625;1442464254;copypaste;Your site will be up the whole time. 1277626;1442464261;copypaste;Someone rich like Mircea could afford it no problem :-) 1277627;1442464266;asciilifeform;copypaste: why not take $10k and put in a pyre 1277628;1442464270;asciilifeform;then light it 1277629;1442464272;BingoBoingo;Oh but what if you get DDoS from other AWS instance? 1277630;1442464274;copypaste;It would be the same. 1277631;1442464278;mircea_popescu;no see, i'm rich like mircea not rich like usg. i tend to want to see roi. 1277632;1442464281;copypaste;BingoBoingo: I think that's free 1277633;1442464304;BingoBoingo;Lord Humungous is free too, what of it. 1277634;1442464325;copypaste;As in, I think they don't charge traffic if it originates within Amazon's network 1277635;1442464329;copypaste;But I'm not sure ... 1277636;1442464404;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPEx_BLWoAA6rB8.png 1277637;1442464404;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LztuJy ) 1277638;1442464414;BingoBoingo;copypaste: But they would still have to charge CPU 1277639;1442464419;BingoBoingo;ANd disk I/O 1277640;1442464482;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pit << apparently even this has a www. 1277641;1442464483;assbot;The Pit - Batman Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1LztyJu ) 1277642;1442464532;asciilifeform;see 1st paragraph also. 1277643;1442464541;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everything has a www, too inclusive 1277644;1442464615;BingoBoingo;FUCKER IGNORING THE ONLY DEBATE TIME THAT MATTERS https://archive.is/xbG9p 1277645;1442464616;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXZD8f ) 1277646;1442464751;BingoBoingo;Further reddit lol https://archive.is/EbA9U 1277647;1442464752;assbot;Atlas_84 comments on BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1LztQ34 ) 1277648;1442464803;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: honestly I would be most surprised if mircea_popescu doesn't have one of those already 1277649;1442465239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00075779 = 5.9865 BTC [-] 1277650;1442465340;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I would oil the bricks if I had one of those though 1277651;1442465356;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja miss the 'no despair without hope' thing 1277652;1442465374;asciilifeform;whole point, iirc, is that the prisoners were to think they could get out. 1277653;1442465390;BingoBoingo;Nah, but I dun care about other's fee-fees that much. I want to see the falls 1277654;1442465422;asciilifeform;plenty of those in the thing pictured in the pit movie 1277655;1442465425;BingoBoingo;The right oil can seem stick until it is slick 1277656;1442465731;BingoBoingo;Also south park season 19 premier not so bad so far 1277657;1442465971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10893 @ 0.00075779 = 8.2546 BTC [-] 1277658;1442466154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13854 @ 0.00076592 = 10.6111 BTC [+] 1277659;1442466398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00075779 = 5.6076 BTC [-] 1277660;1442466459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93867 @ 0.00076592 = 71.8946 BTC [+] 1277661;1442466581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00075752 = 22.7635 BTC [-] {4} 1277662;1442466840;BingoBoingo;A candidick I can stand behind http://www.newsjs.com/us/rand-paul-supports-gun-violence-against-the-us-tax-code/ 1277663;1442466843;assbot;Rand Paul Supports Gun Violence Against the US Tax Code - News JS ... ( http://bit.ly/1Md3JSc ) 1277664;1442467229;BingoBoingo;But yes less Wotted peeps not that Trump enthusiams has taken from the one candidate who would use executive power to stop spending http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/quick-report-card-a-for-carly-c-for-trump/article/2572288 1277665;1442467230;assbot;Quick report card: An 'A' for Carly, C- for Trump | Washington Examiner ... ( http://bit.ly/1Md4bzS ) 1277666;1442467270;BingoBoingo;Is cuckservative really worth supporting that nappy headed impotent bankruptcy specialist over the younger Dr. Paul??? 1277667;1442467923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00076505 = 14.1534 BTC [+] 1277668;1442468380;mircea_popescu; "quick report card" ? wtf is that bs. 1277669;1442468411;mircea_popescu;"here's what good libertards should think happened. it happens to be exactly unrelated to actual events. libertards prevail!" 1277670;1442468472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10453 @ 0.00076591 = 8.0061 BTC [+] {2} 1277671;1442468569;BingoBoingo;I might not wish well the USG, but I don't want them to get Trump... Where is the challenge in that 1277672;1442469349;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Pierre Rochard http://dpaste.com/2RX2ZD3 1277673;1442469350;assbot;dpaste: 2RX2ZD3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjmxjs ) 1277674;1442469350;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1277675;1442469509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00076592 = 28.6454 BTC [+] 1277676;1442470424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00076644 = 19.6975 BTC [+] {5} 1277677;1442471450;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Pierre_Rochard http://dpaste.com/2RX2ZD3 1277678;1442471451;assbot;dpaste: 2RX2ZD3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjmxjs ) 1277679;1442471451;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1277680;1442472547;BingoBoingo;Idiocrat http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/air-force-chief-rebuts-f-35-haters-calls-for-more-modernization/ 1277681;1442472548;assbot;Air Force chief rebuts F-35 haters, calls for more modernization | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYEoT ) 1277682;1442472746;mircea_popescu;haters eh ? 1277683;1442472785;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b6 1277684;1442472817;mircea_popescu;the new deedbot- functions are pretty spiffy 1277685;1442472856;BingoBoingo;Seriously trinque where were you in 2013 1277686;1442472857;BingoBoingo;??? 1277687;1442472905;mircea_popescu;he wasn't undata yet. 1277688;1442472916;BingoBoingo;lol 1277689;1442473008;trinque;was honing my turdstapling of course 1277690;1442473243;BingoBoingo;trinque: If I actually followed through with that in 2010 when I first started following Derpency I'd be much richer, but Tardenssenenene was a huge turnoff. 1277691;1442473251;BingoBoingo;Fuck Yellow parka profile pictures 1277692;1442473287;*;BingoBoingo is a very visual person, hates hamplanets and bright colors 1277693;1442473341;*;BingoBoingo remembers first coming to #b-a early 2013 then returning late 2013 and butting heads with benkay 1277694;1442473352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48256 @ 0.00076532 = 36.9313 BTC [-] {2} 1277695;1442473375;BingoBoingo;Why did benkay and BingoBoingo butt heads? Sport mostly. Also stotting behavior. 1277696;1442473468;BingoBoingo;'Murica http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3237065/The-obese-THREE-year-old-Texas-type-2-diabetes-weighs-5st.html 1277697;1442473469;assbot;Obese Texas toddler who has type 2 diabetes and weighs 5st | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHM0ny ) 1277698;1442473482;BingoBoingo;^ Record holder 1277699;1442473520;BingoBoingo;Three years old and type 2 diabetes, most people with congential type 1 diabetes don't know it at that age 1277700;1442474019;mircea_popescu;that's sad 1277701;1442474023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00076122 = 29.8018 BTC [-] {4} 1277702;1442474030;mircea_popescu;poor kid 1277703;1442474404;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1277704;1442474450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00076677 = 6.7092 BTC [+] {3} 1277705;1442474459;BingoBoingo;We have the opposite of survival skills floating around here 1277706;1442474467;mats;;;tslb 1277707;1442474474;gribble;Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. 1277708;1442474483;mats;o 1277709;1442474486;BingoBoingo;And people wonder why I hate? 1277710;1442474514;mircea_popescu;hmmmm 1277711;1442474546;mircea_popescu;912 kb block 1277712;1442474569;mircea_popescu;mostl;y garbage. 1277713;1442474645;mircea_popescu;like say 872699895ed8a85560405f63590ff6987f12a76fe25a8edee398451ec6c13a12 : "OP_RETURN j" 1277714;1442474684;mircea_popescu;(inputs dblspent in 6a65aab8f7cc0be8ad03a940f0844b2c127e055749ac5e731faf7b64a1db0b81 ) 1277715;1442474737;mats;I put up 2btc on Yes for the eth bet 1277716;1442474795;BingoBoingo;mats: Numbers aren't solidly sourced yet, but looking like "no" on the Paul bet was bank 1277717;1442474818;BingoBoingo;I have yet to find a number that puts him under 9 minutes 1277718;1442474830;mats;I thought you watched the shit tonight 1277719;1442474853;BingoBoingo;mats: Fuck no. I don't have cable or adobeFlash 1277720;1442474868;BingoBoingo;ANd you can't torrent a livestream 1277721;1442474877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00076696 = 15.3775 BTC [+] 1277722;1442474928;BingoBoingo;So far tonight I watched the South Park premier (great) and the MasterChef finale (hiss), next up is the inside of my eyelids 1277723;1442475052;mats;I watched the directors cut of the movie Kingdom of Heaven tonight 1277724;1442475060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00075892 = 1.8214 BTC [-] 1277725;1442475062;mats;p good 1277726;1442475087;mats;7.5/10 1277727;1442475118;BingoBoingo;About what I'd rate it 1277728;1442475157;BingoBoingo;It is neither Gladiator nor The Waterboy... Just exactly between them 1277729;1442475181;mats;it suffered at the box office, probably because the theatrical cut sucked 1277730;1442475207;BingoBoingo;Yeah, that was closer to The Waterboy and further from Gladiator 1277731;1442475280;*;BingoBoingo surprised qntra has now topped /r/bitcoin for several consecutive hours nao 1277732;1442475382;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/17/chile-earthquake-massive-83-magnitude-tremor-strikes-santiago-live-updates 1277733;1442475383;assbot;Chile earthquake: one million people evacuated after 8.3 magnitude quake – rolling report | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OgIiTw ) 1277734;1442475390;mats;mods asleep at the wheel 1277735;1442475404;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, https://archive.is/kMu5r also watch the confused USG Phillipenis https://archive.is/Qm4uB 1277736;1442475405;assbot;Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OgIjqt ) 1277737;1442475406;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OgIlif ) 1277738;1442475407;mircea_popescu;wow wtf ? 1277739;1442475417;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: For roughly 5 hours now 1277740;1442475418;mircea_popescu;nothing whatsoever here. 1277741;1442475442;BingoBoingo;Why would it look like anything there compared to complete pipe saturating DDoS 1277742;1442475467;mircea_popescu;ahh the coast. 1277743;1442475481;BingoBoingo;Search engine burps prolly make bigger blips on the data transfer graph 1277744;1442475544;mircea_popescu;~800 miles away 1277745;1442475558;mircea_popescu;but andes help. 1277746;1442475610;mircea_popescu;car alarms were set off in Buenos Aires, << not that i heard. 1277747;1442475714;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so is this in fact the jan one ? 1277748;1442475731;BingoBoingo;Jan what? 1277749;1442475745;mircea_popescu;first thing ion your 2nd link, "This hack happened in December 2014." 1277750;1442475910;BingoBoingo;Ah, happened whenever 1277751;1442475947;mircea_popescu;so it's not a different incident from that one 1277752;1442475955;mircea_popescu;just they filed paperwork or w/e 1277753;1442475968;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just became public now. 1277754;1442475983;BingoBoingo;Was a thing in January or December. 1277755;1442476000;BingoBoingo;Still less of a thing than their Bowl game loss 1277756;1442476056;mircea_popescu;aha 1277757;1442476109;BingoBoingo;everythign BitPay is a mess, nothing BitPay makes sense, and the worst damage inflicted upon BitPay still seems explicitly self inflicted 1277758;1442476191;BingoBoingo;Given the lack of WoT for all I know this "hack" was just Tony building up his buget for bricks of cocaine while some for of money was there. 1277759;1442476266;BingoBoingo;ESPN doesn't simply cancel contracts though. To cancel the three game contract BitPay almost certainly had to settle forst just under the cost of the first two games. 1277760;1442476280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075845 = 10.3149 BTC [-] {3} 1277761;1442476307;BingoBoingo;Unless a court gets involved for bankruptcy or some shit, but that would come out too. 1277762;1442476340;BingoBoingo;The Disney empire is viscious, but no arm is a viscious as ESPN 1277763;1442476467;BingoBoingo;I mean ESPN can do more than the Department of Education to make or break bezzle institutions 1277764;1442476647;BingoBoingo;As opaque as BitPay is if we are at this moment ascribing its failures to anything I am still leaning towards its deal with ESPN, Bowl game naming right have slaughtered many a small business 1277765;1442476686;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b7 1277766;1442476747;BingoBoingo;There's too many bowl games, only way to win the bowl game naming game is pony up for a January 1st game or have the cash reserves 1277767;1442477008;BingoBoingo;But who am I to know if BitPay sent 100,000 BTC to a 1BitcoinEater address back in 2012? 1277768;1442477018;BingoBoingo;Or not 1277769;1442477102;BingoBoingo;Sweet baby Jebus it is Bread Tripe 1277770;1442477695;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277426 << we might need a rule to not do that without the patch also touching an existing file 1277771;1442477695;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 03:00:27; asciilifeform: this will happen, for example, when we finally... add a file 1277772;1442477838;punkman;there's also a slight problem when you have identical files with different filepaths, I was thinking of doing path+sha512 in my mappings 1277773;1442477866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00075373 = 8.178 BTC [-] 1277774;1442478589;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b8 1277775;1442478903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.0007595 = 9.2659 BTC [+] 1277776;1442479199;shinohai;!s https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2015-July/030150.html 1277777;1442479205;assbot;TOFU Design ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjGTZX ) 1277778;1442479211;assbot;0 results for 'https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2015-July/030150.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Flists.gnupg.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgnupg-devel%2F2015-July%2F030150.html 1277779;1442479333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10621 @ 0.00076418 = 8.1164 BTC [+] {2} 1277780;1442479473;punkman;shinohai: does that read as nonsense or is it just me? 1277781;1442479789;shinohai;It sound like laziness, but I'm still noob 1277782;1442479821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00076217 = 7.1644 BTC [-] 1277783;1442479828;shinohai;the argument against plain wot seems silly, the point of it is manual review isn't it? 1277784;1442480126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00076696 = 7.2094 BTC [+] 1277785;1442480248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00076217 = 9.5271 BTC [-] 1277786;1442480301;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPEpkAbWUAAXmoG.jpg:large 1277787;1442480301;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nz7Dqe ) 1277788;1442480370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00076696 = 7.3053 BTC [+] {2} 1277789;1442480431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53875 @ 0.00076731 = 41.3388 BTC [+] {3} 1277790;1442480781;BingoBoingo;10 minutes 52 seconds re: https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ Probably as official as thing get without making a girlie torrent and time it with a stopwatch 1277791;1442480782;assbot;BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 2 days 9 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU ) 1277792;1442481712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17230 @ 0.00076766 = 13.2268 BTC [+] {3} 1277793;1442481992;mircea_popescu;"But if all you have to say is that you think TOFU is a bad idea, please restrain yourself." << all i have to say is not that "i think tofu is a bad idea". all i have to say is that tofu isn't even a bad idea, and Neal H. Walfield is too stupid to even be wrong. 1277794;1442482038;mircea_popescu;"if you think that a standard for wooden cheeses is a bad idea please restrain yourself, herpitty derp" 1277795;1442482126;mircea_popescu;"The first issue is defining an identity. In OpenPGP, the identity is, by convention, an RFC 2822 name-addr, which has the form "John Doe (comment)" (without the quotes)." << not only is openpgp completely idiotic on this score, but also. wut ? 1277796;1442482153;mircea_popescu;god that thing is stupid. /me rages away from it. 1277797;1442482166;punkman;!babbage 1277798;1442482383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5375 @ 0.00076217 = 4.0967 BTC [-] 1277799;1442482414;punkman;heh http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/technology/china-tries-to-extract-pledge-of-compliance-from-us-tech-firms.html 1277800;1442482417;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiPt7N ) 1277801;1442482689;punkman;https://www.google.com/patents/US20150124107 "Facebook patent: fingerprinting your camera via quirks in its pixels" 1277802;1442482690;assbot;Patent US20150124107 - Associating cameras with users and objects in a social networking system - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1LizomN ) 1277803;1442482961;mircea_popescu;heh. there's not been a jew in nazi germany like the american in china. 1277804;1442483010;mircea_popescu;In a recent speech, Travis Kalanick, chief executive of the ride-hailing company Uber, said that progress brought by his company had to be in harmony with stability, words often used by Chinese officials to signal the dangers of social and political unrest. IBMs China marketing materials use phrases like building a harmonious society and the Chinese dream, the latter a phrase coined by Xi to signif 1277805;1442483010;mircea_popescu;y the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. 1277806;1442483030;mircea_popescu;in stability with Harmony, huh ? 1277807;1442483031;mircea_popescu;dat slut. 1277808;1442483051;mircea_popescu;"Earlier this month, Dell pledged to spend $125 billion in China over the next fiveyears, which is about five times the companys value when it was taken private in 2013. " ahahaha mkay. 1277809;1442483304;shinohai;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/british-isis-member-complains-of-rude-arabs-who-steal-his-shoes-eat-like-children-and-wont-queue-10503356.html <<< isis is becoming more and more tumblresque every day. @ times in < 24 hrs. 1277810;1442483305;assbot;British Isis member complains of 'rude Arabs' who steal his shoes, eat like children – and won't queue - Middle East - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiRbWM ) 1277811;1442483315;mircea_popescu; https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l8x8g/bitpay_claims_hack_amounting_to_5000_bitcoins/cv4i59c << coindesk nao chasing qntra tails lmao. 1277812;1442483316;assbot;bitkeef comments on BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiRalI ) 1277813;1442483322;mircea_popescu;oh god, the ironee. 1277814;1442483850;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/gallery/aBpKfIJ 1277815;1442483851;assbot;For those of you that wanted to see a piglet being woken up by a cheerio - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiATRQ ) 1277816;1442483908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13087 @ 0.00076217 = 9.9745 BTC [-] 1277817;1442484274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27395 @ 0.00076778 = 21.0333 BTC [+] {3} 1277818;1442484457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00076217 = 13.7953 BTC [-] 1277819;1442484680;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jECMuzD9BzQ 1277820;1442484681;assbot;OGRE - 195 [Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiCpDF ) 1277821;1442485311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00076838 = 2.6125 BTC [+] 1277822;1442485882;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/0V1BQVM.png 1277823;1442485882;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kotr2u ) 1277824;1442486409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00076653 = 23.8774 BTC [+] {3} 1277825;1442486836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11994 @ 0.00075905 = 9.104 BTC [-] {4} 1277826;1442487385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00075435 = 5.5445 BTC [-] 1277827;1442487507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00075447 = 3.0556 BTC [+] 1277828;1442487751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00075447 = 15.5044 BTC [+] 1277829;1442488422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11192 @ 0.00075893 = 8.4939 BTC [+] 1277830;1442489154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13019 @ 0.00075893 = 9.8805 BTC [+] 1277831;1442489520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2059 @ 0.00076081 = 1.5665 BTC [+] 1277832;1442489827;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277523 << people were visibly irritated by my unintentionally topical choice of "Ron Paul for President" hoodie I wore to dinner last night. This was at a bar/grill; the kind with televisions on all the walls, one of which displayed the "debate" 1277833;1442489827;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 03:58:56; mircea_popescu: THAT is a debate ? 1277834;1442489886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00075458 = 17.544 BTC [-] {4} 1277835;1442491960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00076837 = 20.9765 BTC [+] {2} 1277836;1442493058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00076638 = 10.0779 BTC [-] 1277837;1442495498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00076838 = 38.7264 BTC [+] 1277838;1442496291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00076838 = 7.9527 BTC [+] 1277839;1442496596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.00076638 = 3.7254 BTC [-] 1277840;1442496962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0007662 = 8.1217 BTC [-] {3} 1277841;1442497206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00076838 = 5.3402 BTC [+] 1277842;1442498365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00076862 = 62.6425 BTC [+] {6} 1277843;1442500073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00076449 = 13.0346 BTC [-] 1277844;1442500122;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/changetip-dollar-tipping-non-bitcoin-crowd/ 1277845;1442500123;assbot;ChangeTip Adds Dollar Tipping to Woo Non-Bitcoin Crowd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iRK94e ) 1277846;1442500378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2776 @ 0.00076894 = 2.1346 BTC [+] 1277847;1442501315;mike_c;"Congress approved $500m (£323m) to train and equip around 5,000 rebels as a key plank of US strategy against IS... Asked how many US trained rebels were fighting he said: 'It's a small number... we're talking four or five.'" 1277848;1442501334;mike_c;Only $100m per rebel. Good job. 1277849;1442501641;mike_c;!up stripclubmc 1277850;1442501678;mike_c;!up crescendo 1277851;1442501686;crescendo;;;ident 1277852;1442501686;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'crescendo', with hostmask 'crescendo!~mozart@unaffiliated/crescendo', is identified as user 'martindale', with GPG key id 6D413F92BC7CFDC4, key fingerprint 3A1957775B9D02D35F4D130A6D413F92BC7CFDC4, and bitcoin address 17kMRNtUMqPGj4dfJsCn6yjBn8cQh38A2K 1277853;1442501695;stripclubmc;lets hear it for harmony and stability 1277854;1442501696;crescendo;thanks, btw 1277855;1442502209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00076894 = 26.144 BTC [+] 1277856;1442502649;stripclubmc;next up, no that wasnt tux misusing the prison toilets, staright from some forgotten ward in tokyo, hold on tight, it's yuuuurei 1277857;1442502812;shinohai;!rated mike_c 1277858;1442502812;assbot;You have not rated mike_c. 1277859;1442502930;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mike_c.1:9ea5948bf36bb1073e837c3443ea93b6ce57ace3c0ae3b57f2a6e97121b0dd45 1277860;1442502930;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mike_c with note: For btcalpha, thanks for the useful site. 1277861;1442503063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00076634 = 12.8362 BTC [-] 1277862;1442503368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.0007658 = 32.5465 BTC [-] {3} 1277863;1442503612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00076894 = 19.8387 BTC [+] 1277864;1442504344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00076894 = 5.5748 BTC [+] 1277865;1442505137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00076894 = 10.3807 BTC [+] {2} 1277866;1442506723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18015 @ 0.00076894 = 13.8525 BTC [+] 1277867;1442507028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00076896 = 9.266 BTC [+] {3} 1277868;1442508103;kakobrekla;!s tmux leak 1277869;1442508104;assbot;0 results for 'tmux leak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tmux+leak 1277870;1442508212;kakobrekla;> It's up to glibc to return it to the kernel and it is poor at that. < ahhh 1277871;1442508354;jurov;punkman: nondeterministic != biased. the quote i referred to conflated the two, too 1277872;1442508405;jurov;biased randomness sources are perfectly usable. deterministic, not so 1277873;1442508492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00076525 = 5.1272 BTC [-] {3} 1277874;1442508508;punkman;jurov: it mentioned "weighted dice", but yeah 1277875;1442509407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00076449 = 6.0295 BTC [-] 1277876;1442510017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00076902 = 4.4942 BTC [+] 1277877;1442511603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00076902 = 15.5342 BTC [+] 1277878;1442512030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00076734 = 12.124 BTC [-] {2} 1277879;1442512518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00076449 = 22.9347 BTC [-] 1277880;1442512762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00076449 = 6.5364 BTC [-] 1277881;1442513433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23403 @ 0.00076449 = 17.8914 BTC [-] 1277882;1442513591;mircea_popescu;!up crescendo 1277883;1442513622;mircea_popescu;assbot is on a different wot. they got forked last year. 1277884;1442513692;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << see there halfway down, it's not hard to register. 1277885;1442513891;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277623 AWS is not just virtual servers, but for DDoS resistance one needs their opaque CDN or loadbalancer with considerable learning curve. 1277886;1442513891;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 04:30:45; copypaste: AWS is quite expensive, but the great thing about it is you never get down due to DDoS. 1277887;1442513898;punkman;http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/898 1277888;1442513899;assbot;Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2015/898 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp03Jt ) 1277889;1442513910;punkman;" Cross-VM RSA Key Recovery in a Public Cloud" 1277890;1442513921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00076901 = 11.3044 BTC [+] {2} 1277891;1442513935;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't imagine anyone seriously uses them for ddos mitigation. maybe in obscure corner cases. 1277892;1442513936;jurov;Their caching initially caused so much grief to mod6 that he moved foundation stuff out 1277893;1442513945;jurov;mircea_popescu: i do :) 1277894;1442513960;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1277895;1442513971;mircea_popescu;only way that's cost effective is if you're very weird. 1277896;1442513996;kakobrekla;i never used aws so i dunno what they have but aws users usually end up using clouflare or smth (see buttstamp) 1277897;1442514017;kakobrekla;sorry, clownflare i meant 1277898;1442514021;jurov;why weird. coinbr had a ddos, so I just fired beefier instance to filter the crud that made through load balancer 1277899;1442514025;mircea_popescu;lol ahahaha 1277900;1442514032;mircea_popescu;ok, clownflare shall be its name henceforth 1277901;1442514034;jurov;after few days it was over 1277902;1442514043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3682 @ 0.00076449 = 2.8149 BTC [-] 1277903;1442514043;jurov;total expense maybe $5 1277904;1442514076;jurov;and coinbr was slower but accessible 1277905;1442514103;mircea_popescu;i dunno. i know i ran the numbers at some point, loled and forgot about it. 1277906;1442514141;punkman;https://www.cloudave.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/clown-computing-300x227.png 1277907;1442514142;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp0kvO ) 1277908;1442514144;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277848 << good job, blowjob! 1277909;1442514144;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 14:48:54; mike_c: Only $100m per rebel. Good job. 1277910;1442514226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28726 @ 0.00076902 = 22.0909 BTC [+] 1277911;1442514226;ascii_field;$1 per rebel; $99.999999m per to halliburton... 1277912;1442514270;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277872 <<< this is good news, because unbiased randomness sources come in the same box with non-drifting quantum clocks and other goodies. 1277913;1442514270;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 16:46:45; jurov: biased randomness sources are perfectly usable. deterministic, not so 1277914;1442514276;mircea_popescu;it seems to have been misplaced in transit. 1277915;1442514741;jurov;yes, the argument flied off in bad direction. i found the recommendation(to check for loaded dice or cards) hilarious in that context 1277916;1442514747;jurov;that's all 1277917;1442514793;jurov;it would be yet more hilarious if it said "loaded coins" as it was demonstrated there's no such thing 1277918;1442514856;punkman;jurov: where was the quote from? 1277919;1442514897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00076902 = 22.2247 BTC [+] 1277920;1442514985;ben_vulpes;from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?" 1277921;1442515017;jurov;punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1277011 1277922;1442515017;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 21:44:17; thestringpuller: shinohai: http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/ << reported on qntra 1277923;1442515052;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and you're not gonna answer "no, they include unenhanced security measures. shithead." 1277924;1442515053;jurov;http://cryptoconsortium.github.io/CCSS/Details/ here is the meat 1277925;1442515054;assbot;Details ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp1o2V ) 1277926;1442515104;mircea_popescu;herpitty derp we went to community college, and we buy ENHANCED shit. 1277927;1442515110;ascii_field;usg lives & breathes embrace&extenduish via 'STANDARDS!!!111' 1277928;1442515158;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and "fuzzy process" aka "rough consensus" aka democracy facade without representativity (and preferably - without anyone to represent). 1277929;1442515175;ascii_field;aha. it. 1277930;1442515199;mircea_popescu;somehow no political "scientist" of the anglosphere figured out yet that democracy and representativity are sides of a field, and when you increase "participation" you generally degrade representativity. 1277931;1442515207;mircea_popescu;obtaining less democracy to be spread out to more people. 1277932;1442515209;kakobrekla;https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11988353_10206790274728721_3728357346917522102_n.jpg?oh=e7fc36592ab74f8adffc46547de8d933&oe=56630C68 1277933;1442515210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp1DLm ) 1277934;1442515373;mircea_popescu;(which is why democracy is always born and only ever seems to work in states built atop homogenuous nations. if you have multiple distinct social groups, it is strictly impossible to actually represent them while at the same time having a working democracy. which is why mass murder and ethnic cleansing always appears reasonable to the people doing it : they have to choose between democracy and multiculturalism, and the 1277935;1442515373;mircea_popescu;y chose.) 1277936;1442515442;mircea_popescu;the alternative being, obviously, usistan. "democracy" if you don't look too closely. such as by living there, or thinking about it any. 1277937;1442515507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00076902 = 9.6512 BTC [+] 1277938;1442515527;ascii_field;the canonical 'two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner' 1277939;1442515534;mircea_popescu;quite. 1277940;1442515569;mircea_popescu;your observation re a failed state a few days ago has bothered me hence. 1277941;1442515577;mircea_popescu;but i know why, now. there IS such a thing as a failed state. 1277942;1442515589;mircea_popescu;the us is one, because it fails to be what it DECLARES it wants to be. so was the soviet union. 1277943;1442515609;mircea_popescu;just like failure works in humans : i can't fly, but i also didn't declare i aim to be a bird. 1277944;1442515638;ascii_field;aha, not a problem until falling from sky sans parachute 1277945;1442515655;mircea_popescu;just as long as i stick to aiming to scatter self around, i will be fine. 1277946;1442515661;mircea_popescu;prolly do a bang up job of it too. 1277947;1442515709;ascii_field;l0l 1277948;1442515725;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking bitch there. a conflation of aim and desirability. 1277949;1442515736;mircea_popescu;because obviously fucktarded puritans and "all goods are one" 1277950;1442515739;ascii_field;point. 1277951;1442515779;mircea_popescu;it's not even "gotta have happy endings", that's not it. it's "gotta have PLENARY happy endings". as usual the actual disease agent is hidden from examination by the very workings of the disease. 1277952;1442515795;mircea_popescu;the problem isn't that they want the god damned life to be a movie, and movies to have happy endings. 1277953;1442515807;mircea_popescu;it's the strict notion of "happy = everything" 1277954;1442515817;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1277955;1442515918;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277900 <<< Bitcoin scammer approved. 1277956;1442515918;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 18:20:32; mircea_popescu: ok, clownflare shall be its name henceforth 1277957;1442515959;mircea_popescu;"cleanliness is godliness" for fucks sake. 1277958;1442516483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00076902 = 4.8448 BTC [+] 1277959;1442516512;mircea_popescu;"Să fii al propriilor fapte fiu, e un principiu onorant şi viu" 1277960;1442516514;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o boy. 1277961;1442516605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00076449 = 1.4143 BTC [-] 1277962;1442517581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00076902 = 9.2667 BTC [+] 1277963;1442517985;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1277964;1442518023;ascii_field;'JYA and Cryptome passphrases are secure. Plaintext discovered not related to Cryptome, with alternative to decrypt: original not scrubbed.' << l0l! 1277965;1442518037;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1277966;1442518045;ascii_field;from his www 1277967;1442518071;mircea_popescu;but what does it mean 1277968;1442518086;ascii_field;schizo rubbish ? 1277969;1442518104;ascii_field;http://xkcd.com/1578 << related. 1277970;1442518105;assbot;xkcd: Squirrelphone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp5p7y ) 1277971;1442518125;mircea_popescu;so the cryptome guy finally went over to the what's his name 1277972;1442518132;ascii_field;dragos ? 1277973;1442518136;mircea_popescu;the fellow with the magical virus, used to run apple hakathon 1277974;1442518137;mircea_popescu;yea 1277975;1442518165;ascii_field;either this, or we are meant to think it. 1277976;1442518211;mircea_popescu;or maybe we are meant to think we are meant to ... hm! 1277977;1442518227;*;ascii_field overflows stack 1277978;1442518313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00076554 = 4.976 BTC [-] 1277979;1442518618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00076554 = 5.665 BTC [-] 1277980;1442518984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6528 @ 0.00076554 = 4.9974 BTC [-] 1277981;1442519289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00076586 = 23.8948 BTC [+] 1277982;1442519628;deedbot-;[Qntra] "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark - http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/ 1277983;1442519714;BingoBoingo;!up hdbuck 1277984;1442519751;mircea_popescu;well at least the shitheads didn't try to trademark the integral sign 1277985;1442519755;mircea_popescu;(this time) 1277986;1442519760;hdbuck;http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7231-15 1277987;1442519762;assbot;CFTC Orders Bitcoin Options Trading Platform Operator and its CEO to Cease Illegally Offering Bitcoin Options and to Cease Operating a Facility for Trading or Processing of Swaps without Registering ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kp8zs3 ) 1277988;1442519796;BingoBoingo;hdbuck: Want to write that story up? 1277989;1442519831;hdbuck;ah sure why not 1277990;1442519844;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1277991;1442519902;*;mircea_popescu is now looking for bitcoin options market makers. 1277992;1442519906;mircea_popescu;time to reintroduce them to mpex. 1277993;1442519918;BingoBoingo; well at least the shitheads didn't try to trademark the integral sign << Amazing where tiny bits of proto-sanity appear in USG 1277994;1442519918;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1277995;1442519990;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Price signal improved, FU USG, or is better price signal impossible without MPEx options? 1277996;1442520021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00076455 = 15.5204 BTC [-] {4} 1277997;1442520033;mircea_popescu;market maker can use whatever signal he choses. 1277998;1442520040;BingoBoingo;Ah 1277999;1442520143;mircea_popescu;Rick is a Chinese guy who works in a shitty office in a shitty town. Because the printers suck, occasionally his name is misspelled. 1278000;1442520154;mircea_popescu;His boss suggests he change his name. 1278001;1442520160;mircea_popescu;Rick changes his name. 1278002;1442520162;mircea_popescu;To Denis. 1278003;1442520169;ascii_field;l0l!! 1278004;1442520196;ascii_field;and we now know that it was a 'xerox'. 1278005;1442520203;mircea_popescu;:)) 1278006;1442520264;ascii_field;(xerox is the true unsung hero-to-zero story of usa - for fucks sake they had the interactive graphical computer before anyone else) 1278007;1442520291;ascii_field;and they wiped their arses with it. 1278008;1442520336;mircea_popescu;the parc huh. myeah. 1278009;1442520386;mircea_popescu;whenever you hear the inept business majors with the "adult supervision" bs, you can kindly remind them that they adult supervised xerox right into the fucking hole. 1278010;1442520403;ascii_field;and hp, and, and, and, ... 1278011;1442520412;ascii_field;bell labs. 1278012;1442520414;ascii_field;and. 1278013;1442520416;mircea_popescu;so far the score's preeeeety badly stacked against 'em 1278014;1442520427;ascii_field;but y'see 'it doesn't count' 1278015;1442520429;ascii_field;because. 1278016;1442520448;mircea_popescu;and yet they manage to delude themselves into this wholly hallucinated alt-reality where they are actually useful, 1278017;1442520457;mircea_popescu;and they didn't just waste their tiome and govt's money in school 1278018;1442520463;mircea_popescu;and business degree is better than art degree. 1278019;1442520472;mircea_popescu;hey - at least half the trombone & clowning majors can suck cock! 1278020;1442520482;ascii_field;because they get 'gold parachute' and yacht, while engineer works 100 hr/wk and dies of coronary at 39 1278021;1442520666;ascii_field;in other nyooz, this horror apparently exists: http://www.amazon.com/Blockchain-Blueprint-Economy-Melanie-Swan/dp/1491920491 1278022;1442520672;ascii_field;the reviews are lulzy 1278023;1442520687;ascii_field;and i've lost what respect i had remaining for the publisher. 1278024;1442520724;ascii_field;this one actually makes the antonopoulos book look good! 1278025;1442520922;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277984 << what would be better yet is if the various firms who grabbed historical figures they had ~nothing~ to do with - e.g., tesla, galois - were similarly detrademarked 1278026;1442520922;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 19:55:51; mircea_popescu: well at least the shitheads didn't try to trademark the integral sign 1278027;1442520936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14952 @ 0.00076913 = 11.5 BTC [+] {3} 1278028;1442521241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19077 @ 0.00076307 = 14.5571 BTC [-] 1278029;1442521338;ascii_field;re: galois corp: vintage lul: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029474-900-play-video-games-to-help-military-secure-its-software 1278030;1442521339;assbot;Play video games to help military secure its software | New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kpc1CM ) 1278031;1442522091;BingoBoingo;!up hdbuck 1278032;1442522095;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1278033;1442522672;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Grows For The Sixth Consecutive Time - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-grows-for-the-sixth-consecutive-time/ 1278034;1442522740;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYM50dBa1Fk 1278035;1442522741;assbot;Witness - Chinese Dreamland - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkg74v ) 1278036;1442522766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00076187 = 17.523 BTC [-] {4} 1278037;1442523010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0007574 = 14.4663 BTC [-] {3} 1278038;1442523743;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b31 1278039;1442523864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00076149 = 13.8591 BTC [+] 1278040;1442523896;gernika;great video punkman 1278041;1442524457;BingoBoingo;!up hdbuck 1278042;1442524461;BingoBoingo;!Up ascii_field 1278043;1442524467;deedbot-;[Qntra] CFTC Regulatory Butt Thunder Continues - http://qntra.net/2015/09/cftc-regulatory-butt-thunder-continues/ 1278044;1442524793;shinohai;Butt Thunder 1278045;1442525023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00075775 = 17.845 BTC [-] {4} 1278046;1442525085;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1278047;1442525389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23991 @ 0.00076958 = 18.463 BTC [+] {3} 1278048;1442525816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15175 @ 0.0007698 = 11.6817 BTC [+] {4} 1278049;1442526313;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1278050;1442526317;BingoBoingo;!up hdbuck 1278051;1442527094;punkman;gernika: strange little film 1278052;1442527140;gernika;punkman: at least she had the opportunity to work in a sweatshop when the startup didn't work out. 1278053;1442527176;punkman;gernika: she was probably getting further into debt to attend sewing machine school 1278054;1442527189;punkman;who knows if she even got a job after 1278055;1442527190;gernika;punkman: hmm yeah good point. 1278056;1442527256;punkman;I think the best moment was when she says "I don't know if it's just me pretending or if everyone is" 1278057;1442527280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15570 @ 0.00075911 = 11.8193 BTC [-] {3} 1278058;1442527293;gernika;I missed that part - but my favorite was the discussion of how much people of various races were worth. 1278059;1442527341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3578 @ 0.00075373 = 2.6968 BTC [-] 1278060;1442527399;gernika;the line you quote adds to the eerie similarity to the sillyconvalley vibe I detected though. 1278061;1442527523;gernika;Except here afaik an individual can not get a business loan. Only car and home loans. 1278062;1442527546;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275596 <<< sounds familiar http://hellorigby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/seagull-steals-bag-of-chips.gif 1278063;1442527546;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2015 23:23:53; punkman: I saw a dog steal an unopened bag of cheetos while I was buying some tobacco from a kiosk couple days ago. guy inside shrugs "what am I gonna do, chase the fucking mutt". I wonder if some bum trained the dog, it was wearing a length of string as a collar. 1278064;1442527550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGERpe ) 1278065;1442527608;punkman;http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1737917-investigative-report-china-theft-incorporated/ 1278066;1442527608;assbot;EXCLUSIVE: How Hacking and Espionage Fuel China's Growth ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGEXNN ) 1278067;1442527609;punkman;"Our intelligence unit’s latest estimates are that U.S. companies and the U.S. economy lose approximately $5 trillion each year, or over 30 percent of the U.S. GDP when you factor the full value of the stolen innovation" 1278068;1442527623;ascii_field;wreckerz! 1278069;1442527627;punkman;$5 gazillion innovations 1278070;1442527634;ascii_field;wreckin' our socialist paradise. 1278071;1442527723;mats;same old yarn 1278072;1442527815;trinque;can't lose what you never had 1278073;1442527856;mats;with the familiar garnish of Tiananmen Sq mention, so readers are reminded chinese people also hate freedom 1278074;1442527932;ascii_field;and annexed hongkong !? 1278075;1442527939;ascii_field;how come that was forgiven ?!> 1278076;1442527960;ascii_field;omg112121211 annexing! 1278077;1442527967;trinque;don't worry, Trump will "negotiate" with those chinese pussies 1278078;1442527974;trinque;we'll be great again soon 1278079;1442528271;punkman;http://fusion.net/story/199332/this-is-what-a-350000-house-in-san-francisco-looks-like/ 1278080;1442528272;assbot;How Bad are San Francisco's Housing Prices? | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1LASAYB ) 1278081;1442528360;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1278082;1442528364;ascii_field;'Still, when a complete, condemnable dump is on the market for a third of a million dollars, it’s clear that money has lost all meaning.' 1278083;1442528374;trinque;^ remarkably on point 1278084;1442528400;punkman;would probably cost more if the plot was empty 1278085;1442528506;punkman;http://www.dw.com/en/islamist-shot-dead-in-berlin-after-knife-attack-on-policewoman/a-18721009 1278086;1442528507;assbot;′Islamist′ shot dead in Berlin after knife attack on policewoman | Breaking News | DW.COM | 17.09.2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LASU9G ) 1278087;1442528618;ascii_field;http://www.dw.com/en/romanian-prime-minister-ponta-indicted-for-corruption/a-18720431 1278088;1442528619;assbot;Romanian Prime Minister Ponta indicted for corruption | News | DW.COM | 17.09.2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAT3Kt ) 1278089;1442528711;punkman;40k euros, pfft 1278090;1442528855;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.48893236 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b32 1278091;1442529049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00075526 = 6.8729 BTC [+] 1278092;1442529781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00075646 = 17.4364 BTC [+] 1278093;1442530086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00076274 = 11.8987 BTC [+] 1278094;1442530940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00076274 = 16.7803 BTC [+] 1278095;1442531219;mod6;gernika: did bitcoind exit cleanly for you, finally? 1278096;1442531855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00075705 = 3.596 BTC [-] 1278097;1442532709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3682 @ 0.00076274 = 2.8084 BTC [+] 1278098;1442532753;gernika;mod6 yes - probably around 30 min 1278099;1442533011;mod6;gernika: ah, cool. 1278100;1442533030;gernika;Yeah syncing again. Sooooo close to being fully synced. 1278101;1442533039;mod6;nice! 1278102;1442533250;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ranee-panjabi-hearing-impaired-1.3231791 1278103;1442533252;assbot;Forgotten deal means MUN prof doesn't have to accommodate hearing-impaired students - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtWAO9 ) 1278104;1442533284;nubbins`;"your honour, my client had a forgotten deal. i move to dismiss" 1278105;1442533380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00075952 = 13.2156 BTC [-] {2} 1278106;1442533555;punkman;"told student she wouldn't wear FM system due to religious reasons" lolwut 1278107;1442533619;nubbins`;8) 1278108;1442533624;nubbins`;newfy kim davis 1278109;1442533634;nubbins`;uni's response is priceless 1278110;1442533656;nubbins`;"actually we signed a contract saying she didn't have to accommodate deafos" 1278111;1442533659;nubbins`;OH WELL THEN 1278112;1442534173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8890 @ 0.00075765 = 6.7355 BTC [-] {2} 1278113;1442534234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14896 @ 0.00075518 = 11.2492 BTC [-] {2} 1278114;1442535967;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277431 <<< it's an acronym so please to pronounce it Q N T R A 1278115;1442535967;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 03:05:37; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mentally I pronounce it Cunt-Raw 1278116;1442536048;gernika;My preferred mental pronunciation is "contra" 1278117;1442536079;BingoBoingo;cazalla: What did the acronym stand for again? 1278118;1442536092;cazalla;BingoBoingo, Quarrelsome Niggaz Trollin' Reddit Always 1278119;1442536104;BingoBoingo;Ah, damn my memory 1278120;1442537660;BingoBoingo;24 Hours after the submission Qntra has made the front page of slashdot for the I forget whicheth time http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/09/17/2215209/bitcoin-trader-agrees-to-work-for-police-in-plea-agreement 1278121;1442537662;assbot;Bitcoin Trader Agrees To Work For Police In Plea Agreement - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1il1UZ7 ) 1278122;1442537779;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8027571&cid=50545833 1278123;1442537780;assbot;Bitcoin Trader Agrees To Work For Police In Plea Agreement - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1il2c2j ) 1278124;1442537822;cazalla;does anyone read slashdot these days? 1278125;1442537963;BingoBoingo;I still do. Not as many people seem to read it as when MP saved BSDM, but it gets reads by virtue of not being as bad as other places you can find stories missed elsewhere 1278126;1442538496;BingoBoingo;I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet 1278127;1442538565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16459 @ 0.00076274 = 12.5539 BTC [+] 1278128;1442538683;cazalla;your shout! 1278129;1442538969;mircea_popescu;wow wd. 1278130;1442539044;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, they added another link in front of ours, but at least this time they didn't replace it with a derpier venue 1278131;1442539059;mircea_popescu;i meant re the bet lol. 1278132;1442539062;mircea_popescu;wasn't it 10:1 ? 1278133;1442539072;mircea_popescu;da fuck i care about slashdot. 1278134;1442539155;BingoBoingo;Ah, it was more than 10:1 1278135;1442539169;BingoBoingo;And then the bet clsoed and they announced the debate would have an extra hour 1278136;1442539188;BingoBoingo;But he spoke at a rate that still would have given him a win 1278137;1442539225;mircea_popescu;pretty impressive call. 1278138;1442539270;BingoBoingo;They put out 5 BTC and only the BitBet bet had matched it. s.qntr was way up so I figured I'd price their 5 BTC 1278139;1442539299;BingoBoingo;Then someone later threw up a smaller million satoshi bet, which also did well. 1278140;1442539382;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/09/pascal-reid-pleads-guilty-promises-to-service-usg-law-enforcement/#comment-58331 1278141;1442539383;assbot;Pascal Reid Pleads Guilty Promising to Service USG "Law Enforcement" – Full Draft Plea Text | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1il5ZwB ) 1278142;1442540305;mircea_popescu;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34162353/ the lolz of seasons past... 1278143;1442540307;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yi3yvB ) 1278144;1442540427;BingoBoingo;Fucking Hearnia. How has that crowd gone on so long without consulting a surgeon to repair their pelvic floor? 1278145;1442540532;mircea_popescu;oh you don't understand, "Gavin has support from the companies and has talked to economists". 1278146;1442540534;mircea_popescu;fucktards. 1278147;1442540564;BingoBoingo;No-No-No Gavin isn't Hearnia, he is fistula 1278148;1442540571;BingoBoingo;Like Venezuela 1278149;1442540614;mircea_popescu;mike_hearnMike Hearn - Bitcoin Expert 2 points 3 months ago - It's nobodies "fault" - there is no such thing as a programmer who never writes buggy code. 1278150;1442540616;mircea_popescu;herp. 1278151;1442540636;mircea_popescu;we just lie and steal and you know, it's nobody's fault, not like there exist things that work or people who aren't shitheads just like us. har har. 1278152;1442540744;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1278153;1442540747;gribble;Current Blocks: 375011 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1980 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1278154;1442540784;BingoBoingo;mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lcbgd/speaker_lineup_for_devcore_workshop_draper/cv58rvg 1278155;1442540785;assbot;super3 comments on Speaker lineup for DevCore Workshop @ Draper: Andreas M. Antonopolous, Greg Maxwell, Gavin Andresen, Matt Coralo, Jeff Garzik, Michael Perklin & Charlie Lee ... ( http://bit.ly/1il8S0u ) 1278156;1442540848;mircea_popescu;people need to learn to stop associated with scammers. 1278157;1442540886;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1278158;1442541035;BingoBoingo;;;later tell hdbuck what is your primary language? 1278159;1442541035;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1278160;1442541194;BingoBoingo;Typical WaPo reader: "My wife doesnt have a strong sex drive. I have always found sex to be awkward. I have a bit of a mental blockalthough I understand it on a biological level, I still dont like the idea of sticking my body part inside another body." >> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2015/09/dear_prudence_my_friend_s_wife_stays_home_and_berates_him_while_he_works.html 1278161;1442541195;assbot;Dear Prudence: My friend’s wife stays home and berates him while he works two jobs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yi5Zy9 ) 1278162;1442541388;mircea_popescu;hahaah 1278163;1442541409;mircea_popescu;needs some "refugees". 1278164;1442541453;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Or maybe needs to refugee to Tanzania 1278165;1442541473;BingoBoingo;The more I read the more seriously awesome Tanzania sounds 1278166;1442541508;mircea_popescu;rly ? 1278167;1442541581;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously. Potential Border skirmishes with Rwanda means a legit reason to hoard recreational firepower for weekend entertainment. Also asoundingly low HIV rates for its geography. 1278168;1442541913;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1XKCNGF.txt 1278169;1442541914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilb9IV ) 1278170;1442541914;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1278171;1442541920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.53796614 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share 1278172;1442541933;mircea_popescu;rwanda is that unique place on earth that banned plastic bags 1278173;1442541957;mircea_popescu;well, other than being a total famished shithole / ex genocide site ec. 1278174;1442541978;BingoBoingo;But Rwanda has too much aids, and plastic bags are a net positive for society. The things seriously break down fast. 1278175;1442542034;mircea_popescu;notrly. all the places where the beoble abound, you mostly find the trees covered in them. 1278176;1442542107;BingoBoingo;Ah, they get littered to fast there. Here they break down faster than most paper. 1278177;1442542337;cazalla;dayum, was gonna say one for BingoBoingo but i think one of me instead http://i.imgur.com/smOdXoy.jpg 1278178;1442542337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilc4ZR ) 1278179;1442542390;cazalla;stop resisting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3&v=-Dk6bXdBdVs 1278180;1442542391;assbot;Cop hits kid with baton at Stockton RTD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilcbVf ) 1278181;1442542408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 265.96738432 BTC to 1`000`000`000 shares, 26 satoshi per share 1278182;1442542418;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/19W56G9.txt 1278183;1442542419;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilcf7A ) 1278184;1442542420;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1278185;1442542438;mircea_popescu;she's pretty. 1278186;1442542463;cazalla;for me, not of me.. obvious typo 1278187;1442542526;mircea_popescu;cazalla in drag & blackface. hm. 1278188;1442542591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00075341 = 25.9926 BTC [-] {3} 1278189;1442542603;BingoBoingo; dayum, was gonna say one for BingoBoingo but i think one of me instead http://i.imgur.com/smOdXoy.jpg << Oh Lordie 1278190;1442542604;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ilc4ZR ) 1278191;1442542656;BingoBoingo; cazalla in drag & blackface. hm. << Looks like a pure Cassava fed African Woman 1278192;1442542781;BingoBoingo;You know, BitBet doesn't seem to be doing poorly on the Rand Paul bet either https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/#b2 1278193;1442542781;assbot;BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 3 days 2 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yia1GT ) 1278194;1442542821;mircea_popescu;lol 1278195;1442542835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27226 @ 0.00075296 = 20.5001 BTC [-] {2} 1278196;1442542855;BingoBoingo;And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4 1278197;1442542856;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (12%) on Yes, 1.41 B (88%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 94`846 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yiah8L ) 1278198;1442542886;mircea_popescu;in other news, hanbot in leather goods store. saleswoman decides to upsell her on leather belt. the innermost hole's about a mile too tight. saleswoman proceeds to turn store upside down out of saleswomany ambition. eventually finds one flimsy belth apparently intended for schoolgirls, that on the tightest setting is you know, sorta sitting there unobviously loose. 1278199;1442542896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8738 @ 0.00075289 = 6.5788 BTC [-] 1278200;1442542899;mircea_popescu;moral being that a great ass is wasted without a wasp waist. 1278201;1442542919;mircea_popescu;a mile too wide* i mean. 1278202;1442542992;BingoBoingo;lol 1278203;1442542993;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/17/bcc324bcf6b7aa63e1d5b01fef99dacc.jpg 1278204;1442542997;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yiaxoh ) 1278205;1442543040;mircea_popescu;the nerve. 1278206;1442543107;BingoBoingo;The moral of the story is that waist is a primary measure of health among women in the same way percentage completion to FUDA is a primary measure of health among men 1278207;1442543234;mircea_popescu;actually it is isn't it. 1278208;1442543243;cazalla;did you coin that meme BingoBoingo because i never heard of a fuda until today 1278209;1442543274;mircea_popescu;and from the "best fake name ever" department, http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#comment-115375 1278210;1442543275;assbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ile8kG ) 1278211;1442543318;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Originally idiots used it to refer to male FUPA (Fat Upper Pubic Area) which isn't gendered. So I created a better meaning for FUDA: Fat Usurping Dick Apex 1278212;1442543341;BingoBoingo;Or area, Apex is prolly better 1278213;1442543361;cazalla;for some reason i always assumed fupa was gender specific despite knowing what it meant 1278214;1442543536;BingoBoingo;Equalitit 1278215;1442543788;mircea_popescu;so women exist whose pubic bone can not be palpated do they ?! 1278216;1442543882;BingoBoingo;Unfortunately 1278217;1442543929;mircea_popescu;im telling you, 3rd gender. 1278218;1442543938;BingoBoingo;"Women" also exist who can not get actual vaginal penetration without 24 inch dicks 1278219;1442543939;mircea_popescu;he, she, and sf. 1278220;1442543952;mircea_popescu;or i guess s-f 1278221;1442543986;*;mircea_popescu is tempted to start using the subhuman pronoun. 1278222;1442544017;BingoBoingo;WHich new pronoun is the subhuman one? 1278223;1442544175;mircea_popescu;well the gender being stupid-fat... 1278224;1442544205;BingoBoingo;Needs a vowel maybe. 1278225;1442544340;mircea_popescu;nah, vowels have too many calories. 1278226;1442544438;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/p2I1EeS.jpg 1278227;1442544439;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YidEwF ) 1278228;1442544472;BingoBoingo;Eh, what ABout Zi-Zir or some other new age shit. 1278229;1442544625;mircea_popescu;mno, the problem with dating sites is that unless you intend to meet a dog, you're in the wrong place. 1278230;1442544649;mircea_popescu;"met on the internet" !!!!= "met on dating site". 1278231;1442544693;mircea_popescu;dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go. 1278232;1442544697;mircea_popescu;should be writtit srsly. 1278233;1442544710;BingoBoingo;Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap 1278234;1442544986;cazalla;so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size 1278235;1442545195;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278234 << Hell 1278236;1442545195;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 02:56:26; cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size 1278237;1442548423;cazalla;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-artist-kuno-goda-migrates-ethereum-1520072 1278238;1442548424;assbot;Bitcoin artist Kuno Goda migrates to Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQV1EE ) 1278239;1442548428;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1278240;1442548434;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.66, vol: 16623.89896827 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.966, vol: 7341.19419 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.86, vol: 11929.06108828 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 242.8, vol: 5.94194598 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.229364, vol: 15965.46670000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.94841, vol: 46.38149774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.68482, vol: 115.92835111 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1278241;1442548436;BingoBoingo;;;more 1278242;1442548436;gribble;average: 233.951996369 1278243;1442548524;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Wait, screen prints of Game of Life creatures are marketable? 1278244;1442548532;cazalla;apparently so 1278245;1442548725;BingoBoingo;Fuck I was on the wrong path doing oild painting of Kim Jung Il on a train getting slaughtered by a heart 1278246;1442548760;pete_dushenski;https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences! 1278247;1442548761;assbot;| Times Higher Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiyTL9 ) 1278248;1442548819;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278231 << or dating site called 'meatit' 1278249;1442548819;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go. 1278250;1442548879;pete_dushenski;http://41.media.tumblr.com/d99fe775590fab0566e409f30ceb13f7/tumblr_nt7hopAYVY1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg << moar rights plox 1278251;1442548880;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiz7Cc ) 1278252;1442548919;pete_dushenski;https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11057795_10153322953343375_2884236966562120575_o.png << taleb on gmo. fact vs. fiction. a list. 1278253;1442548922;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcG1 ) 1278254;1442548929;cazalla;pete_dushenski, tis a fake http://i.imgur.com/EqOzRGy.jpg or maybe original? or maybe not! 1278255;1442548930;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcWu ) 1278256;1442548947;pete_dushenski;yours is fake 1278257;1442548954;pete_dushenski;fakest 1278258;1442549103;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278126 << very nicely done 1278259;1442549103;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet 1278260;1442549105;cazalla;prob both are 1278261;1442549118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3} 1278262;1442549181;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278196 << doesn't look like this'll pay out quite as richly, but then again, what could ? 1278263;1442549181;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 02:20:55; BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4 1278264;1442549206;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time 1278265;1442549265;pete_dushenski;yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day 1278266;1442549283;pete_dushenski;wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds 1278267;1442549298;pete_dushenski;eg. more mac mini nodes 1278268;1442549423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2} 1278269;1442549782;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced 1278270;1442549861;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies 1278271;1442550056;BingoBoingo;Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2} 1278272;1442550377;*;BingoBoingo looking at pete_dushenski's engine swap suggestions wonders what Saddam and co will look like in a decade 1278273;1442550494;pete_dushenski;haha maybe an m156 wedges its way in there 1278274;1442550542;pete_dushenski;http://ca.complex.com/sports/2013/12/mercedes-m156-v8-eulogy << written by kid whose writing career i launched 1278275;1442550543;assbot;A Eulogy for One of the Best V8s of All Time, the Mercedes-Benz M156 | Complex CA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iltfKR ) 1278276;1442550644;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1278277;1442550645;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.34, Best ask: 234.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 234.45, 24 hour volume: 11789.83147797, 24 hour low: 229.04, 24 hour high: 236.26, 24 hour vwap: None 1278278;1442551316;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes 1278279;1442551450;pete_dushenski;the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday 1278280;1442551495;pete_dushenski;there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups 1278281;1442551527;pete_dushenski;and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski' 1278282;1442551577;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline 1278283;1442551604;pete_dushenski;one in usual spot, one in 'frunk' ? 1278284;1442551616;BingoBoingo;Of course 1278285;1442551652;pete_dushenski;lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass 1278286;1442551677;BingoBoingo;If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother 1278287;1442551716;pete_dushenski;i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing 1278288;1442551750;BingoBoingo;And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR 1278289;1442551774;pete_dushenski;nah, i think this is a personal exception 1278290;1442551806;BingoBoingo;Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins 1278291;1442551808;pete_dushenski;there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe 1278292;1442551829;cazalla;this is the best car fwiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqohbacK2aU 1278293;1442551830;assbot;VW Passat, 360 grieziens, 4X4 passat double. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MujRlo ) 1278294;1442551833;pete_dushenski;Ehrnart/Goldsteins << nascar drivers ? or owners ? 1278295;1442551856;pete_dushenski;cazalla: lol! 1278296;1442551878;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Father/Son drivers. 1278297;1442551887;BingoBoingo;nice cazalla 1278298;1442551933;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: both still active ? 1278299;1442551957;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago. 1278300;1442552102;pete_dushenski;oh EARNHARDT !! fuck i didn't know they were jooz 1278301;1442552133;BingoBoingo;Seems like a JEwey name 1278302;1442552163;BingoBoingo;Like Koufax 1278303;1442552230;pete_dushenski;hm. not quite enough to go on there. 1278304;1442552262;pete_dushenski;there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy. 1278305;1442552276;BingoBoingo;Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe 1278306;1442552281;cazalla;BingoBoingo, spotted a dupa http://i.imgur.com/xs29Qrt.jpg 1278307;1442552282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MukxHu ) 1278308;1442552284;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1278309;1442552300;BingoBoingo;See cazalla, Mayo Gendered 1278310;1442552514;BingoBoingo;!up contrapumpkin 1278311;1442552629;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278246 << this ~has~ to be some kind of disinfo. it seems impossible, like hearing about a demolished skyscraper un-exploding, an egg un-breaking and picking itself up from the kitchen floor and sliding back into the chicken 1278312;1442552629;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 03:59:20; pete_dushenski: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences! 1278313;1442552698;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can. 1278314;1442552735;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/08/23/commentary/japan-commentary/humanities-attack/#.VfjlirRLfkr 1278315;1442552738;assbot;Humanities under attack | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mul9wA ) 1278316;1442552837;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute 1278317;1442552877;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles 1278318;1442553014;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool 1278319;1442553810;BingoBoingo;Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction 1278320;1442553937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075074 = 5.2176 BTC [-] 1278321;1442554417;BingoBoingo;What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92 1278322;1442554861;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/644542458735525888/photo/1 1278323;1442554934;BingoBoingo;Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother 1278324;1442554990;BingoBoingo;Jeb http://thecodelesscode.com/case/199 1278325;1442554991;assbot;The Codeless Code: Case 199 Unwitting Accomplice ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBunGO ) 1278326;1442555252;BingoBoingo;George http://thecodelesscode.com/case/201?name=Wangohan 1278327;1442555254;assbot;The Codeless Code: Case 201 Ignorance is Bliss ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpUnyR ) 1278328;1442555400;pete_dushenski;http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/09/17/detroit-neighborhood-plea-want-squatters/32558019/ 1278329;1442555400;assbot;Detroit neighborhood plea: ‘We want squatters’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBvshU ) 1278330;1442555483;BingoBoingo;Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco. 1278331;1442555637;BingoBoingo;"Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester 1278332;1442556011;pete_dushenski;we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar... 1278333;1442556026;*;pete_dushenski to bed 1278334;1442556411;mircea_popescu;"Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japans government." 1278335;1442556414;mircea_popescu;fixed for truth. 1278336;1442556716;mircea_popescu;ok that nina paley chick is pretty cool/ 1278337;1442557540;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! 1278338;1442557541;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g ) 1278339;1442558190;BingoBoingo; http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! << Oh, yet another Mayo Gendered anon shill 1278340;1442558191;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g ) 1278341;1442558509;*;BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords. 1278342;1442558831;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182005 << Stockolm Syndrome 1278343;1442558833;assbot;Follow the Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZep9e ) 1278344;1442559043;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible. 1278345;1442559045;assbot;dpaste: 046VT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZeLN9 ) 1278346;1442559180;cazalla;BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo 1278347;1442559188;cazalla;thought the episode was preddy average tbh 1278348;1442559205;BingoBoingo;eh, reading the SA story 1278349;1442559328;mircea_popescu;i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed. 1278350;1442559339;mircea_popescu;2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome. 1278351;1442559461;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1278352;1442559578;BingoBoingo;We, be dragons just burning the poor, 1278353;1442559596;cazalla;white suit, beard, this HAS to be a mircea_popescu class room! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7b_1442078659 1278354;1442559597;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Teacher showing his anger on his innocent students. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUX0zd ) 1278355;1442559603;BingoBoingo;Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs 1278356;1442560108;BingoBoingo;Also, did anyone else have a clue that Gawker Media had a food writer who published recipies and shit? https://archive.is/NvQc2 1278357;1442560109;assbot;Dissolve The United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgiTr ) 1278358;1442560152;BingoBoingo;"Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind." 1278359;1442560404;mircea_popescu;so she is voting for mp this election ? write-in ? 1278360;1442560419;cazalla;http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482 1278361;1442560420;assbot;Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgNwE ) 1278362;1442560426;BingoBoingo;He is apparently voting for MP 1278363;1442560447;cazalla;i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas 1278364;1442560449;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition 1278365;1442560505;BingoBoingo;Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs 1278366;1442560523;cazalla;i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit 1278367;1442560564;mircea_popescu;wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ? 1278368;1442560567;mircea_popescu;herp. 1278369;1442560586;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL 1278370;1442560713;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it. 1278371;1442560727;mircea_popescu;easily 1k of 'em. 1278372;1442560759;mircea_popescu;"americanbanker.com" ? "journalbiz.blabla" ? mmmkay. 1278373;1442560802;BingoBoingo;Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth. 1278374;1442561175;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/Rfi7E#selection-9597.3-9597.92 << all that eager hope. and then... nothing happened. and then... 1278375;1442561176;assbot;Bitcoin is still funny and the xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZi72C ) 1278376;1442561178;mircea_popescu;more hope. 1278377;1442561209;mircea_popescu;kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people. 1278378;1442561296;*;BingoBoingo still waits for citadels 1278379;1442561372;cazalla;that place was so cool back in the day 1278380;1442561388;cazalla;jeff k and all that 1278381;1442561411;cazalla;BingoBoingo, here are the citadels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA 1278382;1442561411;assbot;2084 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZinPi ) 1278383;1442561440;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Youtube is broken 1278384;1442561818;BingoBoingo;Brb 1278385;1442562052;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << historically, tx fee bumps and price bumps correlate 1278386;1442562053;assbot;Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3DFO ) 1278387;1442562057;mircea_popescu;for some ungodly reason. 1278388;1442564376;punkman;http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.com/2015/09/novel-malware-xcodeghost-modifies-xcode-infects-apple-ios-apps-and-hits-app-store/ 1278389;1442564378;assbot;Novel Malware XcodeGhost Modifies Xcode, Infects Apple iOS Apps and Hits App Store - Palo Alto Networks BlogPalo Alto Networks Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwE1Nd ) 1278390;1442564433;punkman;"At least two iOS apps were submitted to App Store, successfully passed Apple’s code review, and were published for public download." 1278391;1442564617;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large 1278392;1442564618;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwExKU ) 1278393;1442565474;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg <<< 1rst Annual #bicoin-assets White-Trash Beauty Competition. Vote now! 1278394;1442565474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwGebo ) 1278395;1442565669;HeySteve;shinohai, blonde 3rd from left and the redhead 1278396;1442565730;shinohai;I agree with the blonde HeySteve ... good eye 1278397;1442565752;HeySteve;years of practice 1278398;1442565815;shinohai;:D 1278399;1442565846;cazalla;if i had too. 3rd from left too 1278400;1442565893;cazalla;as for a 2nd.. 6th from left 1278401;1442565906;cazalla;the rest could land a plane between their tits 1278402;1442565927;shinohai;And that ONE black woman 1278403;1442565948;shinohai;The blonde standing beside her isn't shabby 1278404;1442565957;HeySteve;yeah #6 is best bruenette 1278405;1442566137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16663 @ 0.00075669 = 12.6087 BTC [+] 1278406;1442566198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38216 @ 0.00075958 = 29.0281 BTC [+] 1278407;1442566227;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/yDzCySF.jpg 1278408;1442566228;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwHMSA ) 1278409;1442566361;cazalla;asked the missus if she could guess which 2 i picked.. she got 1 outta 2 (the brunette) 1278410;1442566411;punkman;the tall blondie is an obvious choice 1278411;1442566515;HeySteve;the trashiest is either blonde on far left or the pink cheetah lady 1278412;1442566567;shinohai;cheetah lady has my vote 1278413;1442566953;cazalla;prob right as cheetah lady was the first one my missus picked as "she's total trash" 1278414;1442566975;HeySteve;but she doesn't have obviously fake breasts 1278415;1442567030;HeySteve;whereas that blonde's boobs are like 1/2 of mount rushmore 1278416;1442567171;cazalla;big/small/fake/whatever, any gap is a boner killer 1278417;1442567906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.00076005 = 50.8473 BTC [+] {3} 1278418;1442569858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00075074 = 5.0622 BTC [-] 1278419;1442571552;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833 1278420;1442571552;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:50; BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap 1278421;1442571838;cazalla;bet she'd be a great root danielpbarron 1278422;1442571871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00075074 = 12.6124 BTC [-] 1278423;1442572044;danielpbarron;;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR 1278424;1442572045;assbot;Fredrick Brennan(HW) on Twitter: "Thank you Mr. Poettering and @kdeproject for making desktop Linux better for everyone I should have never doubted u http://t.co/Lwic5rJQw2" ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlrIMd ) 1278425;1442572045;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1278426;1442572145;cazalla;those pills look like glucosamine or some shit 1278427;1442572150;cazalla;the big white ones anyway 1278428;1442575984;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants 1278429;1442575984;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible. 1278430;1442576141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00075074 = 9.084 BTC [-] 1278431;1442578750;HeySteve;http://www.fastcoexist.com/3050606/china-is-building-the-mother-of-all-reputation-systems-to-monitor-citizen-behavior 1278432;1442578751;assbot;China Is Building The Mother Of All Reputation Systems To Monitor Citizen Behavior | Co.Exist | ideas + impact ... ( http://bit.ly/1iUoMzo ) 1278433;1442578855;punkman;""In Europe and the U.S., there's a notion that the state should be constrained, that it's not right to intervene in people's lives, unless for justified reasons. In China, the state has no qualms about that." 1278434;1442579061;HeySteve;there is such a notion, not shared by the state 1278435;1442579146;kakobrekla;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/bitcoin-is-officially-a-commodity-according-to-u-s-regulator 1278436;1442579147;assbot;Bitcoin Is Officially a Commodity, According to U.S. Regulator - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7xwMH ) 1278437;1442579288;punkman;a commodity, security, currency, whatever each USG entity needs to call it in order to pretend they have authority over it 1278438;1442579862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20117 @ 0.00075074 = 15.1026 BTC [-] 1278439;1442581432;fluffypony;inb4 CommodityCoin 1278440;1442583097;mats;i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone' 1278441;1442583106;mats;it is literally checkers 1278442;1442583666;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/ZuJxVwd 1278443;1442583667;assbot;Hoarding - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiFGE ) 1278444;1442583820;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvUMV1N7eGM 1278445;1442583821;assbot;Ylvis - Massachusetts [Official music video HD] (Explicit Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiUlh ) 1278446;1442583931;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.20000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b33 1278447;1442583932;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - JPY to top 140 per USD in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1094/jpy-to-top-140-per-usd-in-2015/#b14 1278448;1442584770;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6HojLBsnw 1278449;1442584771;assbot;Dilbert - The Knack full - YouTube.flv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkGml ) 1278450;1442584803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00075081 = 13.8712 BTC [+] 1278451;1442584856;pete_dushenski;https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/15/executive-order-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-american 1278452;1442584857;assbot;Executive Order -- Using Behavioral Science Insights to Better Serve the American People | whitehouse.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkSCc ) 1278453;1442584928;punkman;ominus title eh 1278454;1442584931;mats;https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3lefc6/chinese_ios_devs_download_xcode_from_3rdparty/ 1278455;1442584933;assbot;Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp ) 1278456;1442585075;pete_dushenski;punkman: ominus omnibus 1278457;1442585141;pete_dushenski;'justitia omnibus' being the motto of the district of columbia ! 1278458;1442585417;pete_dushenski;http://www.justitiaomnibus.com/en/about-the-company/ << 1278459;1442585418;assbot;About the Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkMA9w ) 1278460;1442585446;pete_dushenski;"ust being acquainted with the laws and following them is sometimes insufficiently." << random ukr 'legal services' co. has it right. 1278461;1442585478;pete_dushenski;Foreigners and citizens of Ukraine, who want to visit Lviv should know that the officials of militia, the customs service and other law-enforcement bodies not always follow the law. " << sounds like usistan 1278462;1442586267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67085 @ 0.00075111 = 50.3882 BTC [+] {2} 1278463;1442586321;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating 1278464;1442586321;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible. 1278465;1442586383;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1278034 <-- with great soundtrack even. thanks punkman :) 1278466;1442586383;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 20:45:40; punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYM50dBa1Fk 1278467;1442586396;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278391 << heh. i'd actually like this as a footrest under my desk. 1278468;1442586396;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 08:23:37; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large 1278469;1442586448;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277223 <-- what happened to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263703 how about some consistency folks 1278470;1442586448;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:41; mircea_popescu: fucking master race check that out. 1278471;1442586448;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 04:44:54; mircea_popescu: obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked. 1278472;1442586481;funkenstein_;and while we 1278473;1442586495;funkenstein_;are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value 1278474;1442586495;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 07:05:20; BingoBoingo: Three years old and type 2 diabetes, most people with congential type 1 diabetes don't know it at that age 1278475;1442586520;funkenstein_;obese because can or something like that 1278476;1442586557;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277221 << broken unicode in this link 1278477;1442586557;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:27; mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_133-075%2C_Worms%2C_Antisemitische_Presse%2C_%22Strmerkasten%22.jpg << how the fuck can these people read newspaper print from two feet away. 1278478;1442586558;pete_dushenski;https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg << yup. 3rd from left. this, dear redditards and conference sluts, is what consensus looks like. 1278479;1442586558;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwGebo ) 1278480;1442586640;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278423 << hm. 1278481;1442586640;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 10:27:24; danielpbarron: ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR 1278482;1442586643;funkenstein_;lol :) 1278483;1442586722;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << on the money, davout. 1278484;1442586752;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: too bad noah smith will never see this ! https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/644331919375736833 1278485;1442586790;funkenstein_;what distro is that? i've never seen that screen 1278486;1442586794;pete_dushenski;anyone else with a twitter account up for sending http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/16/noahthority-and-economists/ to @noahpinion ? 1278487;1442586796;assbot;Noahthority and “economists” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkP87M ) 1278488;1442587005;pete_dushenski;"Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 9/The expansionist imperial period of 1930-45 was Japan's greatest heyday of power and prestige. It was also a period of great dynamism." << because the history of the world started in 1900 because that's all they taught us in social studies class in high school ! 1278489;1442587021;punkman;funkenstein_: "can't defend himself, therefore has no value" "obese because can or something like that" << this is not a good way to argue 1278490;1442587066;funkenstein_;punkman, I agree. That was my point. 1278491;1442587079;funkenstein_;Or.. do you mean something else? 1278492;1442587143;punkman;funkenstein_: yes I'm talking about how you are making this point 1278493;1442587187;funkenstein_;Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it? 1278494;1442587214;pete_dushenski;"Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 8/Japan is not traditionally a fascist country - or even a very centralized one. But collective memory doesn't go much past 1930." << my eyes are not bleeding. thx twitter. thx 'economists'. 1278495;1442587227;pete_dushenski;for cereal, why do i do this to myself ? why read this garbage ? 1278496;1442587242;pete_dushenski;s/not/now 1278497;1442587252;funkenstein_;I'm also trying to help straighten out which lines of reasoning can be fruitful and which are dead ends 1278498;1442587308;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, how did this guy piss you off so much? :D 1278499;1442587320;pete_dushenski;by being born ? 1278500;1442587353;funkenstein_;lol, so just general idiocy or did he hit a particularly sensitive spot? 1278501;1442587395;pete_dushenski;well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious 1278502;1442587417;shinohai;retweeted danielpbarron 's tweet for ya pete_dushenski funny writeup :D 1278503;1442587434;pete_dushenski;cheers ! 1278504;1442587458;pete_dushenski;the sensitive spot is that i'm guilty of trying to make sense of his insanity 1278505;1442587537;pete_dushenski;i'm apparently a sucker for punishment and noah serves it up on a silver platter 1278506;1442587577;pete_dushenski;i must not have enough to do in a day to find myself stooping to such levels 1278507;1442587604;pete_dushenski;watch, i'll have a half-dozen spawn just to block out this idiot noise from 'economists' 1278508;1442587675;shinohai;Everyone that has ever used a cloned shitcoin is an "economist" now 1278509;1442587680;funkenstein_;anyway, nice piece you wrote from the trenches. someone had to do it. 1278510;1442587725;jurov;!rate belisk 1 quick btc trade 1278511;1442587725;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4ee907b2869e77d7 1278512;1442587735;pete_dushenski;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/primary-dealers-rigged-treasury-auctions-investor-lawsuit-says << “The only plausible explanation is that Defendants coordinated artificially to influence the results of the auctions in the primary market,” 1278513;1442587736;assbot;Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM ) 1278514;1442587755;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: grazie :) 1278515;1442587769;jurov;!v assbot:jurov.rate.belisk.1:c0a90a860dca743c1b39b5540280fa5bc263632f87557aea011100111b0942bb 1278516;1442587769;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for belisk with note: quick btc trade 1278517;1442587792;pete_dushenski;“These analyses reveal a consistent pattern: Treasury auction yields were artificially high (and prices correspondingly low),” according to the complaint. “Defendants then turned around and sold the Treasuries at higher prices (and correspondingly lower yields) in the secondary markets, reaping substantial profits.” 1278518;1442587945;funkenstein_;240k TX yesterday, anybody know supwiddat? 1278519;1442588673;pete_dushenski;!up Pierre_Rochard 1278520;1442588687;pete_dushenski;how goes the wall street dream, my man ? 1278521;1442588747;Pierre_Rochard;manager insisted copy/pasting all day > programming for a few hours. So that didn’t last long 1278522;1442588784;pete_dushenski;orly ?? 1278523;1442588812;Pierre_Rochard;now enjoying a sabbatical, learning C++ so I can finally ~understand the bitcoin blackbox 1278524;1442588829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38179 @ 0.00075074 = 28.6625 BTC [-] 1278525;1442588861;pete_dushenski;falling down the rabbit hole. 1278526;1442588876;Pierre_Rochard;pete_dushenski: congratulations on the newborn! 1278527;1442588878;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: what bank was this copypasta at ? 1278528;1442588891;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: ah, mais merci :D 1278529;1442588932;Pierre_Rochard;not a bank, more of an information aggregator like bloomberg - http://caissallc.com/ 1278530;1442588934;assbot;Caissa - Alternative Investment, Fund of Funds and Financial Risk Management Software | Caissa ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0tPiZ ) 1278531;1442588953;jurov;hi BeliSK 1278532;1442588995;BeliSK;hi :) 1278533;1442589095;mats;http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/#ig2015 1278534;1442589096;assbot;Improbable Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0u8Kw ) 1278535;1442589126;mats;2015 Ig Nobel Prize winners. 1278536;1442589130;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: so 1278537;1442589143;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: so 'alternative' means anything but eh 1278538;1442589173;pete_dushenski;or only applies to 'investment' and not funds or software 1278539;1442589213;funkenstein_;A friend of mine was talking this project up, I thought it might be of interest here and didn't find it in the logs: http://saltlang.wordpress.com 1278540;1442589216;assbot;Salt Programming Language Project | Project and design blog for the Salt programming language project ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8avcq ) 1278541;1442589291;pete_dushenski;mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled' 1278542;1442589313;pete_dushenski;actually seems more valuable than 'social sciences' in hindsight 1278543;1442589588;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.01010101 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b9 1278544;1442589604;pete_dushenski;http://z9hbb3mwou383x1930ve0ugl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Census-2014-Afterburn.pdf << burning man demographics 1278545;1442589607;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8bNEl ) 1278546;1442590141;punkman;another cryptome post http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snfs2o 1278547;1442590141;assbot;TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8e4Q0 ) 1278548;1442590176;punkman;"Crypto keys leak, loss and theft happens, but disclosure of passphrase like Assange's to journo to book for State cables a classic PR ploy." 1278549;1442590193;punkman;I got no clue 1278550;1442590206;pete_dushenski;total schizo 1278551;1442590279;pete_dushenski;https://onetoday.google.com/page/refugeerelief?c=CA << the g00gs will match your donation. they promise ! 1278552;1442590280;assbot;Google Refugee and Migrant Response ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0wTf0 ) 1278553;1442590322;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-09-2015#1276359 << hm. oops. 1278554;1442590322;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 15:04:52; asciilifeform: 'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google. 1278555;1442591229;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png 1278556;1442591230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj ) 1278557;1442591296;pete_dushenski;http://40.media.tumblr.com/d01543a29c89ee4b4dc9a857191fe48f/tumblr_ns8jupBku31qa5vjdo1_1280.jpg << never obsolete 1278558;1442591297;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iI0m ) 1278559;1442591345;pete_dushenski;566 mhz intel celeron, 64 mb ram, 15 gb hd, winbloze 98 1278560;1442591365;kakobrekla;and "game ports". 1278561;1442591468;pete_dushenski;and aol version 5.0 included. 1278562;1442591843;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1278563;1442592627;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278557 <<< I still had one of these 5 yrs ago using it as a fileserver xD 1278564;1442592627;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 15:48:16; pete_dushenski: http://40.media.tumblr.com/d01543a29c89ee4b4dc9a857191fe48f/tumblr_ns8jupBku31qa5vjdo1_1280.jpg << never obsolete 1278565;1442592812;ascii_field;pet had this box when we met 1278566;1442592846;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved 1278567;1442592846;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 15:14:51; pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled' 1278568;1442593099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00075475 = 60.1536 BTC [+] {5} 1278569;1442593308;pete_dushenski;http://www.pnas.org/content/104/42/16432.abstract << 2008 winner of physics 'ignoble' 1278570;1442593310;assbot;Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string ... ( http://bit.ly/1V03jAW ) 1278571;1442593381;*;ascii_field recalls reading this, and thinking that it does not rise to a 'solution' 1278572;1442593423;pete_dushenski;same. just 'area of research' 1278573;1442593538;PeterL;http://xkcd.com/1579/ << a description of ascii_field's complaints about computers? 1278574;1442593539;assbot;xkcd: Tech Loops ... ( http://bit.ly/1V03AE4 ) 1278575;1442593546;ascii_field;one such. 1278576;1442593570;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: aka 'look what we spent bezzle talking about' 1278577;1442593606;mats;at the suggestion of an acquaintance, am re-reading 'A Fire Upon the Deep' 1278578;1442593623;*;ascii_field liked it 1278579;1442593759;mats;acquaintance noted that vinge had an idea that predates 'the cult of langsec' 1278580;1442593789;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1278581;1442593790;mats;that is: translation to an intermediate language with low expressive power, then back to whatever's parsed by original recipient,as a means of avoiding pwnage by a powerful adversary 1278582;1442593841;ascii_field;the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage 1278583;1442593873;mats;you think so? 1278584;1442593876;ascii_field;aha 1278585;1442593878;ascii_field;x86. 1278586;1442593879;ascii_field;QED. 1278587;1442593919;ascii_field;the yarn had some imaginative and perhaps even good ideas, this was not one of these 1278588;1442593980;mats;well, as you like to remind so often, x86 ain't everything there is. 1278589;1442594006;ascii_field;no but the basic idea of turning a high-level message into incomprehensible ground beef 1278590;1442594018;ascii_field;(the actual result of translating from more-expressive language to a less-) 1278591;1442594028;ascii_field;invariably subtracts from fits-in-head. 1278592;1442594055;mats;anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation 1278593;1442594100;ascii_field;program verification is 1) provably unsolvable in the general case 2) to the extent it adds complexity and overall logical mass and subtracts from fit-in-head-ability, it is ~an evil~ 1278594;1442594254;mats;yes, and if you reject a inputs outside of a defined set of formal-izable grammars, the more constrained the model and subsequently greater approachability towards program verification 1278595;1442594289;ascii_field;it is certainly both possible and useful in narrow cases. see the ada threads 1278596;1442594299;ascii_field;but as an overall panacea, it is a usgism. 1278597;1442594421;mats;how conspiratorial. 1278598;1442594443;pete_dushenski;lol 1278599;1442594448;BingoBoingo;Consipracy, Conspiracy never ends 1278600;1442594477;ascii_field;mats: i don't know where you are posting from, but on my planet we recently saw astonishingly brazen clandestine techno-diddlatrons blown wide open. 1278601;1442594518;ascii_field;mats: we are also bedeviled by pseudoscientific academitards who push them as 'security research' 1278602;1442594606;BingoBoingo;Actual security research takes the form "X barrier can resist breach by thermal lance at Y intensity for Z minutes" 1278603;1442594746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00076195 = 19.8107 BTC [+] {3} 1278604;1442594795;mats;USG is a fount of grants for certain fields, computer security is one of those blessed. consideration of all USG research as poisoned fruit is your prerogative, but for me, extraordinary and specific claims require extraordinarily specific evidence. like someone diddling an IR parser. 1278605;1442594828;ascii_field;mats: it isn't even that 'don't use the work of dr. x., it will kill you' 1278606;1442594850;ascii_field;but that overall DIRECTIONS of research that are given support by usg in past decade are specifically counterproductive 1278607;1442594853;ascii_field;calculatedly. 1278608;1442594881;ascii_field;e.g., the push for movement from rsa to ecc 1278609;1442594918;ascii_field;accompanied by unsubstantiated claims of 'equivalence' between long rsa and short ecc key 'hardnesses' 1278610;1442594952;ascii_field;find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this. 1278611;1442594978;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ 1278612;1442594981;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE ) 1278613;1442594991;ascii_field;the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good. 1278614;1442595022;pete_dushenski;anyways mats, whatever they're paying you, you're definitely dancing hard enough for it. 1278615;1442595030;pete_dushenski;or is that too conspiratorial of me ? 1278616;1442595044;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: iirc mats admitted to merely ~wishing~ to be bought 1278617;1442595050;mats;yes, this is all well and good, but we were talking about IR parsers 1278618;1442595078;pete_dushenski;'careful what you wish for, you just might get it' (tm) (r) 1278619;1442595089;ascii_field;mats: and i was talking about hygiene. 1278620;1442595106;ascii_field;hygiene does pointedly ~not~ mean 'we must inspect every roadkill for edible bits' 1278621;1442595122;mats;or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated 1278622;1442595146;ascii_field;mats: i pointedly do not care whether or by whom you were (or like to be) bought 1278623;1442595179;ascii_field;my statement concerned heuristics for what intellectual pursuits are worth bothering with, given limited resource 1278624;1442595180;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K46C82v9o 1278625;1442595181;assbot;The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODpDR5 ) 1278626;1442595196;BingoBoingo;OMG Gawker Media stereotypes asians, Picture of Asian holding a dog described as "delicious" https://archive.is/kSKeQ 1278627;1442595197;assbot;Delicious, Meaty Dogs Available in San Diego ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODpFIE ) 1278628;1442595425;mats;then i suppose I'll conclude with disagreeing this is an unworthy area of research. 1278629;1442595514;ascii_field;thing is, brain cycles worth half a damn are scarce. 1278630;1442595519;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35PfbiTGvk << what inflation ?? only increased in 'value' 12x in 12 years. no reason to raise rates here. 1278631;1442595520;assbot;Record Setting $13.75 Million McLaren F1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1V05Rz9 ) 1278632;1442595524;ascii_field;usg has a very effective program for soaking them up 1278633;1442595555;ascii_field;on items GUARANTEED not to result in serious dings to 'nothing is beyond our reach' (e.g., full techno-lustration silicon and upwards) 1278634;1442595598;ascii_field;*from 1278635;1442595603;BingoBoingo; usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this 1278636;1442595606;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1278637;1442595641;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: nah that's mainly panem et circenses 1278638;1442595691;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Well that and taking a portion of hungry people and redirecting their worry so they burn themselves down instead of burning the whole show 1278639;1442595697;ascii_field;from usg's point of view, ANYTHING is better than having folks wake up to cpu-with-bounds-checking-on-all-ops and fits-in-head 1278640;1442595830;mats;well, if you ever decide to describe why 'langsec' et al. is a waste of time, i'd love to read it. you too, pete_dushenski. 1278641;1442595866;mats;waste of time, like whether and how advancement of formal languages for security is useful, or keeping input grammars regular whenever possible, verifiale parser, ... 1278642;1442595867;ascii_field;mats: start here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 1278643;1442595868;assbot;Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 ) 1278644;1442595878;ascii_field;mats: note that i did not say 'waste of time' 1278645;1442595923;ascii_field;if pursued as pure mathematics, it can be a mildly respectable thing. 1278646;1442595927;mats;i am generally interested in these things because i like knowing about whether a given abstraction kills particular techniques 1278647;1442596006;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/caseyville-officer-killed-self-in-patrol-car-investigators-say/article_f77ca807-173f-54f9-8490-2d25226ae99a.html 1278648;1442596007;assbot;Caseyville officer killed self in patrol car, investigators say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODss4F ) 1278649;1442596007;ascii_field;it is not an uninteresting subject. just as, say, historical climate patterns are not uninteresting. but both would become considerably more intellectually respectable if all of the current academic practitioners of each were to be shot. 1278650;1442596321;mats;now we're getting somewhere. which 'langsec' authors have a funny smell? 1278651;1442596345;mats;what papers smell funny? 1278652;1442596360;punkman;"LANGSEC posits that the only path to trustworthy software that takes untrusted inputs is treating all valid or expected inputs as a formal language, and the respective input-handling routines as a recognizer for that language." 1278653;1442596431;punkman;so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP? 1278654;1442596513;ascii_field;this is fundamentally an example of what i was talking about. 1278655;1442596551;ascii_field;deceive people into failing to so much suspect that the root of their probems can be dealt with, without telling any lies in the usual sense of the word. 1278656;1442596573;ascii_field;this is not 'ordered from above' in the naive way imagined by hecklers of 'conspiratorial' matters 1278657;1442596585;ascii_field;instead, it is baked into the 'firmware' of academia as a thing. 1278658;1442596602;ascii_field;no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome. 1278659;1442596606;ascii_field;this is elementary. 1278660;1442596635;mats;well, just a thought here, functional programming looks like a better path forward than ada, if only because its easier to automate 1278661;1442596647;ascii_field;automate ? 1278662;1442596656;mats;automating formal analyses 1278663;1442596659;pete_dushenski;bwahahha 1278664;1442596665;ascii_field;mats: i ~like~ functional programming, understand. 1278665;1442596669;ascii_field;purely aesthetically. 1278666;1442596680;ascii_field;but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu. 1278667;1442596711;ascii_field;and the data structures popular among 'functionality' aficionados are not physically possible, but instead are clunkily emulated ('immutability') with actual ones 1278668;1442596792;ascii_field;mats: for instance, i like 'ml' (language.) but i will not close my eyes to the fact that garbage collector is a cross-process info leaker. 1278669;1442596825;ascii_field;not to mention a source of nondeterminism 1278670;1442596839;ascii_field;my other problem is that i have not yet found an implementation of ml language that fits-in-head. 1278671;1442596843;ascii_field;this is not negotiable. 1278672;1442596993;ascii_field;and yes, i guess, being concerned with the number of intellectual 'cpu cycles' needed to fully grasp the ~implementation~ of the language and the machine under it - makes me a t3rr0r1st11111 1278673;1442597166;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/09/sobh-attacked-doe.htm << l0l. Run Moar Winblowz, usg ! 1278674;1442597167;assbot;SOBH Attacked DOE ... ( http://bit.ly/1V07UTE ) 1278675;1442597448;mats;i research what folks are doing to incrementally raise the cost of attack, because there is interesting work being done there, this is where the money is, and we are all living with various design decisions that can't be undone at low cost. 1278676;1442597463;mats;and obviously systems that can provably prevent things from happening are preferable... 1278677;1442597491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00075074 = 39.2637 BTC [-] 1278678;1442597498;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1278679;1442597514;ascii_field;the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet. 1278680;1442597531;punkman;mats: I'm all for langsec and chipsec and whatever other brand they come up with, but I don't see anyone getting anywhere 1278681;1442597532;mats;EMET's mitigations don't look good. and don't obviously categorically defeat classes of bugs. 1278682;1442597579;mats;maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research 1278683;1442597785;ascii_field;mats: try #bitcoin-wizards 1278684;1442597789;ascii_field;(in all seriousness) 1278685;1442597802;ascii_field;buncha haskell nerds, etc. there. 1278686;1442597814;mats;i read the logs sometimes. 1278687;1442597924;ascii_field;understand, i have no objection to tools such as computerized theorem-proving, data flow analysis, etc. except in that these are put forward as ~substitutes for fits-in-head simplicity~. 1278688;1442597936;ascii_field;there is not a substitute. 1278689;1442597962;ascii_field;anyone who proposes one, directly or by implication, is (whether he knows it or not) committing pseudointellectual flimflammery in the service of hitler. 1278690;1442598142;pete_dushenski;!b 3 1278691;1442598142;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/28DGKB7.txt ) 1278692;1442598231;mats;punkman: have you read any of the papers? 1278693;1442598253;ascii_field;to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these. 1278694;1442598284;ascii_field;i ~like~ the idea of 'this quicksort will provably not overstep its bounds.' but much better is ~this quicksort can as easily overstep its bounds as my car can start itself and drive to alaska' 1278695;1442598351;ascii_field;and the ultimate litmus test for whether a proposed security mechanism is usgistic: 'does this item INCREASE - or DECREASE - the amount of complexity present in the system, for which i must defer to someone's authority to determine whether it does what was promised ?' 1278696;1442598374;punkman;mats, probably above my paygrade, but I'll have a look at them 1278697;1442598389;ascii_field;e.g., it is good and well to have, g.g., a hindley milner type inference system, or theorem prover, 1278698;1442598392;mats;http://openwall.info/wiki/_media/people/jvanegue/files/spw15_heap_models_vanegue.pdf << 'state of the research' progress report. 1278699;1442598394;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0I6fv ) 1278700;1442598395;ascii_field;but now i have to UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK 1278701;1442598414;ascii_field;expecting me to just swallow 100MB of whateverthefuck source, WON'T FLY 1278702;1442598422;ascii_field;no pasaran, motherfuckers. 1278703;1442598478;ascii_field;likewise, 'mitigations' which ultimately prolong the agony of c/c++/c-machine - are works of evil. 1278704;1442598494;ascii_field;let the thing die, for fuck's sake. 1278705;1442598528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00076459 = 33.1067 BTC [+] {3} 1278706;1442598762;mats;so in the future i think i'll be taking these discussions to PM, if this is something you'd be interested in, ascii_field 1278707;1442598770;ascii_field;nope. 1278708;1442598774;ascii_field;public or nothing. 1278709;1442598795;mats;i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping. 1278710;1442598802;ascii_field;i like to 1) educate people 2) refer to logs in the future 1278711;1442598807;punkman;mats, discuss away, why not 1278712;1442598808;ascii_field;saves my keyboard the wear, appreciate. 1278713;1442598813;mats;dunno that anyone even cares, now 1278714;1442598826;pete_dushenski;i care, this is deeply educational 1278715;1442598829;mats;10/10 times it is just alf and i. 1278716;1442598840;ascii_field;and log. 1278717;1442598851;ascii_field;and mircea_popescu when he wakes up. 1278718;1442598867;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ferguson Government's Creditworthiness Reclassified as 'Junk' - http://qntra.net/2015/09/ferguson-governments-creditworthiness-reclassified-as-junk/ 1278719;1442599115;trinque;mats: sometimes people sit back and enjoy the conversation 1278720;1442599191;BingoBoingo;^ 1278721;1442599200;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-07-2015#1214613 1278722;1442599200;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person. 1278723;1442599239;punkman;mats, so what kind of parsing are you doing for the keyserver? 1278724;1442599267;ascii_field;my views re: 'let's do pm' are roughly similar to those of mircea_popescu. 1278725;1442599404;kakobrekla;mp criteria is 'do i know you'. 1278726;1442599426;pete_dushenski;plus, cui bono 1278727;1442599513;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1278728;1442601951;punkman;"You should have a bunch of feelings when using computers. Excitement. Pride. Delight. Amazement. Curiousity. Yes, even frustration and anger. But you generally should not feel despair. You should not be feeling desperation. You really shouldn’t." 1278729;1442601955;punkman;"An architecture and environment that could lead you into this situation, where you are helpless and wronged and did nothing but what you were told was right, and then punished quite severely, is very wrong. It is the opposite of what a computer and technology should do." 1278730;1442602162;kakobrekla;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html?_r=0 1278731;1442602165;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlnyX5 ) 1278732;1442602209;pete_dushenski;"The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said." << kek 1278733;1442602294;punkman;how the hell do they detect that 1278734;1442602323;pete_dushenski;my guess : someone snitched 1278735;1442602342;punkman;I mean the emissions testing 1278736;1442602461;pete_dushenski;either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics' 1278737;1442602485;pete_dushenski;like the whole toyota 'unintended acceleration' dealio from ~2008 1278738;1442602912;punkman;http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5 1278739;1442602913;assbot;oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 ) 1278740;1442602962;kakobrekla;>When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards. 1278741;1442603017;kakobrekla;dunno really, seems kinda sketchy to me 1278742;1442603075;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1278743;1442603087;ascii_field;kakobrekla: sounds like an ordinary exhaust turbocharger, no ? 1278744;1442603093;ascii_field;but presented in 'scam light' 1278745;1442603120;kakobrekla;mebbe 1278746;1442603250;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278738 << mircea_popescu will especially enjoy this one. 1278747;1442603250;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 19:01:52; punkman: http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5 1278748;1442603347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00076243 = 21.7674 BTC [-] {2} 1278749;1442603683;kakobrekla;if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer 1278750;1442604195;punkman;http://oreoshake.github.io/xss/rce/bugbounty/2015/09/08/xss-to-rce.html lulz 1278751;1442604195;assbot;XSS to RCE in ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlpJda ) 1278752;1442604408;punkman;https://climateimagination.asu.edu/clificontest/ 1278753;1442604412;assbot;climate fiction contest - Imagination and Climate Futures Initiative ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlpYot ) 1278754;1442604446;punkman;"The emerging subgenre of climate fiction" 1278755;1442604750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27377 @ 0.00075803 = 20.7526 BTC [-] 1278756;1442605051;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1278757;1442607013;jurov;;;seen davout 1278758;1442607014;gribble;davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: ohai asseteristas 1278759;1442607588;mats;punkman: top-down 1278760;1442607656;mats;unless I am misunderstanding your question. 1278761;1442608510;mircea_popescu;good morning cultists! 1278762;1442608627;mats;i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions 1278763;1442608642;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1278764;1442608648;ascii_field;oh mats, you're in for such a treat! 1278765;1442608653;ascii_field;wait till you do rsa padding ! 1278766;1442608661;mats;and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job 1278767;1442608670;ascii_field;(e.g., rfc 2437) 1278768;1442608688;ascii_field;btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo. 1278769;1442608746;mircea_popescu;mats well the exercise is useful anyway. 1278770;1442608752;mircea_popescu;ascii_field makes two of us. 1278771;1442608774;mircea_popescu;the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded. 1278772;1442608781;mircea_popescu;so consequently... they must be. 1278773;1442608793;ascii_field;it was discussed. half-heartedly. 1278774;1442608818;ascii_field;but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why) 1278775;1442608822;ascii_field;*prizes 1278776;1442608930;ascii_field;iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes 1278777;1442609138;punkman;mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www? 1278778;1442609181;mircea_popescu;shitting. 1278779;1442609291;ascii_field;the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload' 1278780;1442609317;ascii_field;the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable 1278781;1442609389;mircea_popescu;mmm 1278782;1442609459;mircea_popescu;you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem. 1278783;1442609481;mircea_popescu;specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate". 1278784;1442609488;ascii_field;no shit 1278785;1442609496;mircea_popescu;it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits 1278786;1442609506;mircea_popescu;however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits. 1278787;1442609521;ascii_field;if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk 1278788;1442609531;ascii_field;*rng bits are 1278789;1442609533;mircea_popescu;rng bits are always key bits. 1278790;1442609543;ascii_field;only when you stuff'em in a key 1278791;1442609548;ascii_field;otherwise they're just bits. 1278792;1442609551;mircea_popescu;basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng". 1278793;1442609553;ascii_field;if your rng is worth half a pence 1278794;1442609553;mircea_popescu;that's what it is . 1278795;1442609584;mircea_popescu;i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate. 1278796;1442609589;ascii_field;obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead 1278797;1442609590;mircea_popescu;they're not "just bits". 1278798;1442609596;mircea_popescu;no, matter of principle. 1278799;1442609608;mircea_popescu;the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD. 1278800;1442609639;mircea_popescu;am i making any sense or sohuld i restate ? 1278801;1442609643;mats;punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right? 1278802;1442609794;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: restate 1278803;1442609824;mircea_popescu;the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting. 1278804;1442609847;mircea_popescu;the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand" 1278805;1442609860;ascii_field;it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards 1278806;1442609875;ascii_field;(peeking vs deck-stacking) 1278807;1442609878;mircea_popescu;any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either 1278808;1442609924;ascii_field;what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng. 1278809;1442609936;mircea_popescu;but you never will have a rng in that sense. 1278810;1442609946;ascii_field;and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win 1278811;1442609947;mircea_popescu;it is a fucking numeric machine ffs. 1278812;1442610010;mircea_popescu;so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed. 1278813;1442610050;mircea_popescu;(and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard) 1278814;1442610057;ascii_field;no shit 1278815;1442610061;mircea_popescu;right. 1278816;1442610071;ascii_field;presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key. 1278817;1442610077;mircea_popescu;so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward. 1278818;1442610084;ascii_field;(and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it) 1278819;1442610110;mircea_popescu;!up TheButterZone 1278820;1442610150;TheButterZone;so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman 1278821;1442610161;TheButterZone;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184037.0 1278822;1442610163;assbot;TradeFortress tied to Hashie.co exit scam ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMElo9 ) 1278823;1442610202;mats;punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. 1278824;1442610263;mircea_popescu;how'd you know that ? 1278825;1442610325;TheButterZone;know what 1278826;1442610342;mircea_popescu;you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it. 1278827;1442610367;*;shinohai pops popcorn 1278828;1442610390;kakobrekla;you cant bring your own food here. 1278829;1442610420;*;jurov throws his bottle to kakobrekla 1278830;1442610426;kakobrekla;ouch. 1278831;1442610439;mircea_popescu;assbot dispenses food ? 1278832;1442610472;assbot; if you ask nicely 1278833;1442610486;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot. 1278834;1442610489;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1278835;1442610498;assbot; you get what you pay for! 1278836;1442610531;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1278837;1442610532;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3GRYDWS.txt ) 1278838;1442610537;jurov;!feed 1278839;1442610546;assbot; poop 1278840;1442610554;BingoBoingo;lol 1278841;1442610555;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58525 << damned zeke party pooper ruining qntra agenda pushing! 1278842;1442610556;assbot;"Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMFpZ0 ) 1278843;1442610568;mircea_popescu;people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail. 1278844;1442610722;TheButterZone;unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co 1278845;1442610772;mircea_popescu;aha! 1278846;1442610773;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58636 1278847;1442610774;assbot;"Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkeUvJ ) 1278848;1442610799;mircea_popescu;danke TheButterZone :) 1278849;1442610843;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel. 1278850;1442610843;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 10:19:12; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833 1278851;1442610990;mircea_popescu;As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ? 1278852;1442610993;mircea_popescu;why am i not surprised. 1278853;1442611053;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers" 1278854;1442611193;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!) 1278855;1442611193;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants 1278856;1442611220;mircea_popescu;moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us. 1278857;1442611443;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle... 1278858;1442611786;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278440 << i actually tried it. spiffy gfx, checkers. 1278859;1442611786;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone' 1278860;1442611870;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc 1278861;1442611870;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 01:40:50; asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this 1278862;1442611872;assbot;Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock… and Ourselves. | Tech Voice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okhq5h ) 1278863;1442611872;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278455 << epic. 1278864;1442611872;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 14:02:13; assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp ) 1278865;1442612009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00076858 = 38.1216 BTC [+] {3} 1278866;1442612029;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278463 << i have nfi. 1278867;1442612029;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating 1278868;1442612101;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ? 1278869;1442612183;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life. 1278870;1442612183;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value 1278871;1442612379;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it. 1278872;1442612454;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski :to @noahpinion ? << whossat ? 1278873;1442612518;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like. 1278874;1442612518;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it? 1278875;1442612597;mircea_popescu;i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else. 1278876;1442612780;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick. 1278877;1442612780;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious 1278878;1442612839;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278513 << bwhahahaah. 1278879;1442612839;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 14:48:56; assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM ) 1278880;1442612850;mircea_popescu;THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth! 1278881;1442612860;mircea_popescu;you know, exactly what usg does EVERY DAY 1278882;1442612996;mircea_popescu;http://www.improbable.com/ig/2009/images/Ketterle-Bodnar-Pamuk-Krugman-400pix.gif <<< ahahaah the bra/facemask 1278883;1442612997;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkjVUZ ) 1278884;1442613024;mircea_popescu;every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood. 1278885;1442613069;mircea_popescu;REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014 1278886;1442613073;mircea_popescu;this isn't bad. 1278887;1442613121;mircea_popescu;MATHEMATICS PRIZE Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children. 1278888;1442613127;mircea_popescu;dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs. 1278889;1442613261;deedbot-;[Qntra] US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency - http://qntra.net/2015/09/us-increases-fee-to-relinquish-citizenship-and-residency/ 1278890;1442613279;mircea_popescu;to no-ones surprise. 1278891;1442613295;mircea_popescu;just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens 1278892;1442613300;mircea_popescu;and they riot because they don't want it . 1278893;1442613391;mircea_popescu;check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins. 1278894;1442613420;mircea_popescu;more like 10 actually. 1278895;1442613493;mircea_popescu;next one will probably be 10k ish. 1278896;1442613568;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png << ahahaha win. 1278897;1442613569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj ) 1278898;1442613619;mod6;haha 1278899;1442613682;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang 1278900;1442613682;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 16:14:06; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved 1278901;1442613682;mircea_popescu;le factor, which also limits to infinity. 1278902;1442613693;mircea_popescu;a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences. 1278903;1442613786;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278891 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/18/emily-blunt-apologises-for-poking-fun-at-her-american-citizenship 1278904;1442613786;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens 1278905;1442613787;assbot;Emily Blunt apologises for poking fun at her American citizenship | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OklHp8 ) 1278906;1442613794;mircea_popescu;(cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.) 1278907;1442613909;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278582 << this happens to be how provability works too! 1278908;1442613909;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage 1278909;1442613927;mircea_popescu;to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity. 1278910;1442614520;punkman;mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc 1278911;1442614556;punkman;(just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there) 1278912;1442614692;mircea_popescu;actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable. 1278913;1442614831;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278592 << i am unpersuaded by this proposition. 1278914;1442614831;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation 1278915;1442614886;mircea_popescu;program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate. 1278916;1442614914;mircea_popescu;this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back". 1278917;1442614977;mircea_popescu;tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points. 1278918;1442614991;mircea_popescu;which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use. 1278919;1442615017;mircea_popescu;thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x. 1278920;1442615106;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 6.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b10 1278921;1442615425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00076877 = 27.4835 BTC [+] {5} 1278922;1442615457;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/ 1278923;1442615656;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on 1278924;1442615656;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this. 1278925;1442615656;mircea_popescu;e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc. 1278926;1442615656;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure. 1278927;1442615701;mircea_popescu;so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless. 1278928;1442615719;mircea_popescu;they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense. 1278929;1442615744;mircea_popescu;but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men. 1278930;1442615775;mircea_popescu;so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time. 1278931;1442615947;mircea_popescu;(and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.) 1278932;1442616272;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o 1278933;1442616272;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good. 1278934;1442616272;mircea_popescu;utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore. 1278935;1442616340;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278621 << i wouldn't be too worried about that. 1278936;1442616340;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated 1278937;1442616346;mircea_popescu;the reverse'd be more worrying. 1278938;1442616368;mircea_popescu;but that aside, honest discussion is not troublesome. 1278939;1442616725;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else. 1278940;1442616725;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this 1278941;1442616745;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does. 1278942;1442616750;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE. 1278943;1442616823;BingoBoingo;Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks 1278944;1442616926;BingoBoingo;In other news http://thevalleyreport.com/2015/09/05/overweight-man-mistaken-for-woman-ticketed-for-exposing-breasts-at-beach/ 1278945;1442616928;assbot;Overweight man, mistaken for woman, ticketed for exposing breasts at beach | The Valley Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1iooxfx ) 1278946;1442616929;BingoBoingo;Puritans 1278947;1442617074;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg? 1278948;1442617074;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP? 1278949;1442617119;mircea_popescu;jpeg is actually specifiable. that it hasn't been... 1278950;1442617196;punkman;in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/ 1278951;1442617197;assbot;Occupy Babel! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIyuu ) 1278952;1442617259;punkman;https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel 1278953;1442617261;assbot;mongrel2/http11_parser.rl at master · mongrel2/mongrel2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIFX2 ) 1278954;1442617453;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved." 1278955;1442617453;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome. 1278956;1442617555;mircea_popescu;and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday. 1278957;1442617560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00076927 = 12.693 BTC [+] {3} 1278958;1442617584;mircea_popescu;the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence. 1278959;1442617620;mircea_popescu;the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off. 1278960;1442617651;mircea_popescu;the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant. 1278961;1442617671;mircea_popescu;do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law. 1278962;1442617769;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). 1278963;1442617769;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu. 1278964;1442617794;mircea_popescu;the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine. 1278965;1442617865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00076768 = 20.5738 BTC [-] 1278966;1442617966;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go 1278967;1442617966;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet. 1278968;1442617985;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277920 1278969;1442617985;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?" 1278970;1442618093;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested. 1278971;1442618093;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research 1278972;1442618192;btcdrak;*sigh* https://forum.bitcoin.com/ 1278973;1442618203;mircea_popescu;remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control. 1278974;1442618207;mircea_popescu;all this within the past... month ? 1278975;1442618221;mircea_popescu;i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach. 1278976;1442618284;mircea_popescu;lol rogerver and bitcoinceo ? 1278977;1442618286;mircea_popescu;must suck. 1278978;1442618389;cazalla;btcdrak, what is so sigh? 1278979;1442618448;cazalla;if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves 1278980;1442618450;btcdrak;as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people. 1278981;1442618474;mircea_popescu;btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent 1278982;1442618482;mircea_popescu;you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation. 1278983;1442618489;mircea_popescu;uh i mean cazalla 1278984;1442618517;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand. 1278985;1442618535;btcdrak;ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014... 1278986;1442618539;mircea_popescu;dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well. 1278987;1442618549;mircea_popescu;btcdrak what makes you think that ? 1278988;1442618697;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278693 << which is why he wasn;t asking you, i bet :D 1278989;1442618697;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these. 1278990;1442618705;cazalla;a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset 1278991;1442618763;mircea_popescu;those people are idiots. 1278992;1442618778;mircea_popescu;it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner. 1278993;1442618801;mircea_popescu;there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize. 1278994;1442618806;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278860 << took maybe 5 seconds of looking at it, for me 1278995;1442618806;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc 1278996;1442618811;mircea_popescu;it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger. 1278997;1442618855;cazalla;asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay 1278998;1442618870;asciilifeform;cazalla: i sorta assumed it was his folks' 1278999;1442618882;mircea_popescu;(THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.) 1279000;1442618951;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke 1279001;1442618951;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins. 1279002;1442618953;asciilifeform;why would it? 1279003;1442618970;asciilifeform;which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817452 1279004;1442618970;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you. 1279005;1442618998;mircea_popescu;aha. 1279006;1442619016;mircea_popescu;i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible. 1279007;1442619029;mircea_popescu;i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~. 1279008;1442619031;asciilifeform;usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.' 1279009;1442619040;mircea_popescu;so ? 1279010;1442619049;asciilifeform;i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to. 1279011;1442619050;mircea_popescu;since when did "human life" become your highest value ? 1279012;1442619054;mircea_popescu;aha. 1279013;1442619055;asciilifeform;it doesn't. 1279014;1442619079;asciilifeform;'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later' 1279015;1442619089;asciilifeform;[insert old thread here to save time] 1279016;1442619091;mircea_popescu;always take the later. 1279017;1442619097;mircea_popescu;that's how you end up with a son. ask cazalla . 1279018;1442619130;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough. 1279019;1442619130;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which res 1279020;1442619143;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278709 << that's ok, when it goes below indiancandy i'll say something. 1279021;1442619143;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping. 1279022;1442619209;cazalla;mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me 1279023;1442619236;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit. 1279024;1442619236;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc 1279025;1442619258;asciilifeform;the more i work with this thing, the less i like it. 1279026;1442619272;punkman;all roads lead to rewriting gpg 1279027;1442619273;asciilifeform;and the fewer bits i see as salvageable. 1279028;1442619280;asciilifeform;punkman: not merely rewriting. 1279029;1442619281;asciilifeform;reinventing. 1279030;1442619286;punkman;yeah that 1279031;1442619286;asciilifeform;as in 'v' re: versionatronics. 1279032;1442619332;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel17/RoyalTiffany 2 girls 1 channel :) 1279033;1442619334;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1dSZG ) 1279034;1442619622;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people. 1279035;1442619622;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i. 1279036;1442619622;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue 1279037;1442619627;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278958 << bestest ever summary. 1279038;1442619627;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence. 1279039;1442619645;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278962 << linked in the thread, even 1279040;1442619645;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). 1279041;1442619656;mircea_popescu;yeah got to it eventuyaly. 1279042;1442619693;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark' 1279043;1442619693;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant. 1279044;1442619739;mircea_popescu;no. 1279045;1442619748;mircea_popescu;that is pointedly no sort of solution 1279046;1442619756;asciilifeform;i didn't say there ~was~ answer... 1279047;1442619757;mircea_popescu;once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical. 1279048;1442619783;mircea_popescu;ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark. 1279049;1442619798;asciilifeform;think of the analogy to vegetarianism in re: their pursuit of synthetic meat. 1279050;1442619809;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1279051;1442619870;asciilifeform;at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion 1279052;1442619892;mircea_popescu;but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal. 1279053;1442619897;asciilifeform;not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov 1279054;1442619906;mircea_popescu;i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere. 1279055;1442619912;asciilifeform;l0l 1279056;1442619933;mircea_popescu;here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune. 1279057;1442619949;*;asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food' 1279058;1442620005;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain. 1279059;1442620005;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine. 1279060;1442620008;asciilifeform;this gets heavy, quickly. 1279061;1442620019;mircea_popescu;it does, but still, is a tiny niche. 1279062;1442620530;asciilifeform;my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady 1279063;1442620546;asciilifeform;for instance, i've been surveying implementations of standard ml 1279064;1442620572;asciilifeform;the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly, 1279065;1442620574;asciilifeform;moscow ml. 1279066;1442620578;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2950 1279067;1442620579;assbot;JL: The Mighty Duck ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fMcU ) 1279068;1442620642;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278740 <<< AHAHAHA EXAM TAKERS!!! o lordy. 1279069;1442620642;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards. 1279070;1442620653;mircea_popescu;think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in. 1279071;1442620657;asciilifeform;(what's moscow ml? this - http://www.itu.dk/~sestoft/mosml.html ) 1279072;1442620658;assbot;Moscow ML Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fS49 ) 1279073;1442620661;mircea_popescu;this is how you ruin industry. 1279074;1442620689;mircea_popescu;by forcing smart people to do stupid things. 1279075;1442620703;mircea_popescu;their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway. 1279076;1442620708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers 1279077;1442620711;mircea_popescu;once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless. 1279078;1442620743;mircea_popescu;see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem. 1279079;1442620753;asciilifeform;know what else they didn't have to deal with ? 1279080;1442620761;mircea_popescu;yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement, 1279081;1442620769;BingoBoingo;Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too 1279082;1442620775;mircea_popescu;deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno. 1279083;1442620782;mircea_popescu;just... somehow it's been lost. 1279084;1442620802;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what ? 1279085;1442620809;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: somebody, it appears, stayed awake in freshman physics, and understood that if you revv up the supercharger quickly enough, gas cannot escape at the rate it is generated 1279086;1442620826;asciilifeform;and you get a kind of temporary storage tank 1279087;1442620855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was gonna say 'doing retarded things to stay in food and roof' but then remembered newton's mint 1279088;1442620864;mircea_popescu;iirc he enjoyed that 1279089;1442620874;mircea_popescu;(it was intended as a sinecure - he chose to make it a job.) 1279090;1442620892;asciilifeform;then my original stands. 1279091;1442620898;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving. 1279092;1442620903;mircea_popescu;well, in the case of the ones you heard of, anyway, 1279093;1442620910;asciilifeform;they didn't have to do bizarre circus acrobatics to stay fed. 1279094;1442620915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00076768 = 15.3536 BTC [-] 1279095;1442620918;mircea_popescu;newton's aunt, einstein'swife and mozart's sister were not as fortunate 1279096;1442620953;asciilifeform;mozart's sister, iirc, was a very passable player but never composed. 1279097;1442620984;mircea_popescu;and shakespeare's mom. 1279098;1442621040;*;asciilifeform is one of those weirdos who skates precisely on the bleeding red edge that separates being able to do your thing, in the above sense, from not. 1279099;1442621063;asciilifeform;could end up on the other side of it any minute, any day, just like that. 1279100;1442621094;mircea_popescu;for all you know you wander back and forth daily. 1279101;1442621101;*;mircea_popescu usually does. 1279102;1442621101;asciilifeform;weekly. 1279103;1442621112;shinohai;https://bitcoinxt.software/onboard.html 1279104;1442621113;assbot;Who's Onboard - Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrxtqJ ) 1279105;1442621143;asciilifeform;pet appears. 1279106;1442621144;*;asciilifeform bbl 1279107;1442621152;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9jcDwY-MM 1279108;1442621153;assbot;Garbage - Garbage (1995) - Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Krxuv3 ) 1279109;1442621159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00076936 = 16.3104 BTC [+] 1279110;1442621293;mircea_popescu;http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5 << now do it with nano. 1279111;1442621294;assbot;oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 ) 1279112;1442621312;*;mircea_popescu has never used cat. 1279113;1442621417;mircea_popescu;and his less is unaliased also. fancy that. 1279114;1442621469;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278749 << the former's prolly right but i still don't see how the latter flows from it. except for some people, i guess. 1279115;1442621469;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer 1279116;1442621586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36403 @ 0.00076335 = 27.7882 BTC [-] {3} 1279117;1442622379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34309 @ 0.00075765 = 25.9942 BTC [-] {3} 1279118;1442622806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00074994 = 65.9572 BTC [-] {3} 1279119;1442623355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00074987 = 7.8736 BTC [-] {3} 1279120;1442623462;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00220883 BTC on 'Yes' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b3 1279121;1442623525;BingoBoingo;I've stopped trying to make any sense of fucking silver prices 1279122;1442623782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007533 = 2.4482 BTC [+] 1279123;1442623949;kakobrekla;how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it 1279124;1442623965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074961 = 28.3353 BTC [-] 1279125;1442624453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40495 @ 0.00074874 = 30.3202 BTC [-] {4} 1279126;1442625612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00074807 = 24.9107 BTC [-] {3} 1279127;1442625978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7739 @ 0.0007533 = 5.8298 BTC [+] 1279128;1442626283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.0007533 = 20.3391 BTC [+] 1279129;1442626479;phf;asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler. 1279130;1442626649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.0007533 = 25.0472 BTC [+] 1279131;1442626712;phf;(i was driving between places in turkey, so no internet access) 1279132;1442626958;deedbot-;[Qntra] Trump Campaign Payment Processor Fleeces Donors - http://qntra.net/2015/09/trump-campaign-payment-processor-fleeces-donors/ 1279133;1442626970;BingoBoingo;^ trinque 1279134;1442627015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78763 @ 0.00074798 = 58.9131 BTC [-] {3} 1279135;1442627304;cazalla;i read something before how trump was all mafia'd up back in his new york days and fucked over lots of people, nfi to veracity 1279136;1442627320;trinque;heh 1279137;1442627397;phf;asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc 1279138;1442627481;trinque;BingoBoingo: oh btw "regulatory butt thunder" had me in stitches 1279139;1442627497;trinque;ah that was hdbuck 1279140;1442627501;trinque;in either case, epic lolz 1279141;1442627742;BingoBoingo;trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course 1279142;1442627805;trinque;see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title 1279143;1442627819;BingoBoingo;Note to potential Qntra submitters: If you want to submit a story you think is interesting, but don't think you know how to amp it up... the editors can help with that 1279144;1442627947;BingoBoingo;Second Note to potential Qntra submitters: Stuff doesn't have to necessarily be "amped up" to appear on Qntra 1279145;1442628379;BingoBoingo;http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/150293976/nick-diaz-suspension-marijuana-ufc-nac-wada 1279146;1442628380;assbot;Diaz's suspension calls marijuana policy into question. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Knrq7L ) 1279147;1442628601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0007533 = 14.388 BTC [+] 1279148;1442629007;asciilifeform;phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned 1279149;1442629016;asciilifeform;phf: if you compile standalone that is 1279150;1442629021;asciilifeform;(vs bytecode) 1279151;1442629136;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa 1279152;1442629147;asciilifeform;l0l 1279153;1442629205;asciilifeform;'Foreign financial institutions require ex-US individuals to show them a CLN (or provide a "reasonable explanation" of why they do not have one) to comply with the exchange of information provisions of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the various intergovernmental agreements the US has signed with foreign jurisdictions.' << ahahahahaha l0l!! pay $3k to get the privilege of using this other set of usg banks in 1279154;1442629205;asciilifeform;stead of the usual set of usg banks. 1279155;1442629207;asciilifeform;what a deal. 1279156;1442629218;cazalla;mmm smell of burning mesquite.. gunna have to watch for black people jumping my back fence trying to steal muh chicken wings 1279157;1442629230;BingoBoingo;lol 1279158;1442629311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise. 1279159;1442629326;cazalla;5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off 1279160;1442629327;asciilifeform;iirc usg helpfully gives'em lists. 1279161;1442629331;asciilifeform;of its serfs 1279162;1442629333;mircea_popescu;lits of what. 1279163;1442629357;mircea_popescu;containing what, social security ids ? 1279164;1442629364;asciilifeform;'mr x is our serf, do business with him like-so or we steal anything you put in usa' 1279165;1442629378;mircea_popescu;"mr x". 1279166;1442629392;asciilifeform;fuck if i know of what. fingerprints, perhaps, or stool samples, or what. 1279167;1442629404;mircea_popescu;i haven't heard of a fingerprints-bank as of yet. 1279168;1442629447;mircea_popescu;also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note. 1279169;1442629475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was a piece linked from qntra, regarding american 'certificate of loss of nationality' 1279170;1442629480;asciilifeform;i.e. emancipation papers 1279171;1442629481;mircea_popescu;(which is a monstruous sort of bond/cfd) 1279172;1442629490;mircea_popescu;a a 1279173;1442629526;BingoBoingo; 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off << He passed two of the three tests 1279174;1442629557;cazalla;BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test 1279175;1442629585;BingoBoingo;cazalla: No, this was fight day, pissed in three different cups 1279176;1442629659;cazalla;a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november 1279177;1442629674;BingoBoingo;Ah 1279178;1442629744;BingoBoingo;Just another day in the ghetto https://archive.is/W3PJg 1279179;1442629745;assbot;Police suspend search for bull last seen loose in East St. Louis | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnuGjq ) 1279180;1442630390;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278922 << woah. harsh. 1279181;1442630390;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 22:30:57; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/ 1279182;1442630549;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278941 << this is the EXACT same basic thing as debeaking (ask a poultry farmer) 1279183;1442630549;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does. 1279184;1442630622;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278943 << when i say mansions, i speak of actual mansions. we have'em here on the east coast. 1279185;1442630622;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks 1279186;1442630640;BingoBoingo;By the highway? 1279187;1442630642;asciilifeform;i am specifically ~not~ speaking of cardboard boxes with aluminum planks. 1279188;1442630652;asciilifeform;not by the highway. 1279189;1442630667;asciilifeform;by the narrow street that one would never see but for the gps machine. 1279190;1442630679;BingoBoingo;ah, then why are you driving by them? Do they have carp to steal? 1279191;1442630684;asciilifeform;see above. 1279192;1442630733;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278950 << notbad.jpg 1279193;1442630733;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 22:59:56; punkman: in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/ 1279194;1442630782;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ? 1279195;1442630782;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 23:00:59; punkman: https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel 1279196;1442630787;asciilifeform;because i don't see the improvement. 1279197;1442630794;asciilifeform;elephantine piece of shit. 1279198;1442630802;asciilifeform;one, and the other. 1279199;1442630811;asciilifeform;and the horse it rode in on (c) 1279200;1442630915;trinque;can confirm that there's plenty of old money on the east coast 1279201;1442630927;trinque;though hell, don't they have the good sense to evacuate by now? 1279202;1442630958;asciilifeform;evacuate where? 1279203;1442630966;asciilifeform;to where ? 1279204;1442630983;asciilifeform;and, more importantly, why ? 1279205;1442630993;asciilifeform;~they~ are not the ones being dekulakized. 1279206;1442631084;trinque;yeah I suppose not 1279207;1442631126;mircea_popescu;pff. 1279208;1442631188;asciilifeform;i can already see mircea_popescu telling me, that these ain't mansions unless the stones are at least 1001 years old and were put on with druid blood 1279209;1442631189;mircea_popescu;i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable. 1279210;1442631250;mircea_popescu;you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite. 1279211;1442631274;asciilifeform;eh that's where i see anybody who doesn't commute to an office as elite 1279212;1442631286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42050 @ 0.00076032 = 31.9715 BTC [+] {4} 1279213;1442631306;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art". 1279214;1442631336;asciilifeform;let's have the earlier bit though - what is a mansion really ? 1279215;1442631359;asciilifeform;i say, a rich fella's house, built to european standards 1279216;1442631363;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc. 1279217;1442631376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure it is. it is called 'grandfathered in' 1279218;1442631378;mircea_popescu;if it were possible to have one i'd consider getting one. 1279219;1442631381;asciilifeform;i.e. exempt from all reg 1279220;1442631395;asciilifeform;-- never for rent, to anyone, and never subject to inspections, etc 1279221;1442631395;mircea_popescu;this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews. 1279222;1442631410;mircea_popescu;whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only. 1279223;1442631414;asciilifeform;what's a jew but solid smoke 1279224;1442631417;asciilifeform;i'll be the first to admit. 1279225;1442631421;BingoBoingo;http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/morning-news/what-is-going-on-inside-pensmore-castle << Mansion or not? 1279226;1442631422;assbot;What is Going on Inside Pensmore Castle? - Story | Southwest Missouri - Springfield, Branson, Ozarks | OzarksFirst | KOLR 10 and KOZL Z27 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx58WR ) 1279227;1442631451;asciilifeform;hell, i expect proper honest gasenwagen to make a comeback. 1279228;1442631454;asciilifeform;some 'past only' l0l. 1279229;1442631478;mircea_popescu;i meant more like "this no longer happens but it continues to happen for me only". it's nonsense. 1279230;1442631501;trinque;BingoBoingo: I was going to say, one measure might be whether the cops are going to need something more than a boot to enter 1279231;1442631519;mircea_popescu;seems the basic definition of mansion includes "off limits to police" 1279232;1442631533;asciilifeform;if this, then they certainly qualify in practice ! 1279233;1442631545;mircea_popescu;anmd you knoiw this how ? 1279234;1442631546;trinque;also, "can house all the help" which of course implies on-site help 1279235;1442631546;mircea_popescu;also gps ? 1279236;1442631603;*;asciilifeform never lived in a mansion, but has lived in streets where the police show up every day, and ones where didn't see a single one in a decade of staring out window 1279237;1442631623;asciilifeform;this, i suppose, counts for nothing, because 'view from gps'. 1279238;1442631626;asciilifeform;whatever. 1279239;1442631677;mircea_popescu;so you lived in teh mansion ? 1279240;1442631695;asciilifeform;whereas to me, 'corzine is not getting anally dilated in prison' =~= 'there are mansions, and they are off limits to police' 1279241;1442631720;mircea_popescu;nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare. 1279242;1442631727;mircea_popescu;who the fuck do you think actually wants to fuck you. 1279243;1442631737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i lived in suburbia. which is pointedly not the same thing, the mechanism whereby the police are kept distant is entirely different (obedience) 1279244;1442631756;mircea_popescu;so then if you yourself don't accept the thing you propose as proof, as proof, what do you want from me! 1279245;1442631759;asciilifeform;sorta more like the warm zone at auschwitz 1279246;1442631764;mircea_popescu;what whatever ? no whatever, tu quoque. 1279247;1442631773;asciilifeform;nah, the ~real~ mansions are where corzines, SES plum book, etc. live. 1279248;1442631789;mircea_popescu;or so you posit. because "x gotta exist, and y is the more likely to succeed". 1279249;1442631793;asciilifeform;the $maxint folks who never see the inside of a courtroom except as plaintiffs 1279250;1442631800;mircea_popescu;the breaking news being that no, x doesn't exist. all soviets live like animals. 1279251;1442631804;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking point of soviet life. 1279252;1442631821;asciilifeform;i saw 'guccifer''s photos of aria rockefeller's house. 1279253;1442631826;asciilifeform;what was soviet about it? 1279254;1442631833;mircea_popescu;and this is what i meant earlier re "revolutionary term of art". there's this notion that members of the proletariat fight each other over imaginary class distinctions instead of uniting. 1279255;1442631835;asciilifeform;and bush's, too 1279256;1442631840;mircea_popescu;same idea here. you think X has it ? no usian has it. 1279257;1442631845;mircea_popescu;obama's life is shit, in kenyan terms. 1279258;1442631859;mircea_popescu;fucking us president, still lives worse than his grandfather, 1279259;1442631860;asciilifeform;for my education, demonstrate how bush doesn't 'have it' 1279260;1442631862;asciilifeform;and what 'it' is 1279261;1442631881;mircea_popescu;you get to say what "it" is. 1279262;1442631886;mircea_popescu;and you keep not wanting to. 1279263;1442631932;asciilifeform;but my 'it' doesn't work. because it is the answer of the shipwrecked sailor re: what is best in life - 'food! water!' 1279264;1442631944;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1279265;1442631949;asciilifeform;pig: 'as much slop as will ever fit in me!' 1279266;1442631961;asciilifeform;see the old mircea_popescu article re: teenagers and sex 1279267;1442632016;asciilifeform;the only solid hypothesis i can make re: bush et al is that they know what 'it' is, having scratched all other conceivable itches. 1279268;1442632023;mircea_popescu;let's start with a simple thing. if x owns a mansion, and x owns a wife, and x beats the shit out of his wife and throws her into the street naked to henceforth fend for herself, 1279269;1442632037;trinque;asciilifeform: I think Bushes and everyone like them are entirely trapped 1279270;1442632042;mircea_popescu;there is at no point any fucking question of a) being required to take her back in or b) being required to give up the mansion. 1279271;1442632049;mircea_popescu;this, imo, is sufficient definition. 1279272;1442632056;trinque;how many decisions do they make on their own per day? what's the ratio? 1279273;1442632061;mircea_popescu;and also ends the question of "mansion in the us". 1279274;1442632073;*;asciilifeform finally grasps what mircea_popescu was getting at. 1279275;1442632088;mircea_popescu;yes, they can have hovels of all sizes. 1279276;1442632092;asciilifeform;this is true, no one in usa is ghaddafi. 1279277;1442632095;asciilifeform;it doesn't work. 1279278;1442632098;asciilifeform;any more than on the moon. 1279279;1442632110;mircea_popescu;that a 1789 nigger may be allowed to build himself a log cabin the size of the washington momunent 1279280;1442632118;mircea_popescu;doth not make the exceptionally large log cabin a "town house". 1279281;1442632139;mircea_popescu;first off, because there's no town. 1279282;1442632153;mircea_popescu;even if the house itself may be the size of a contemporary town. 1279283;1442632157;asciilifeform;aaand because it isn't a house if there is shitting on the floor happening. 1279284;1442632158;asciilifeform;yes. 1279285;1442632163;mircea_popescu;so there you go. 1279286;1442632171;mircea_popescu;but this is me, and i don't live there. 1279287;1442632190;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, tons of mansions throughout the world. from romania to sudan and from albania to pakistan. 1279288;1442632215;mircea_popescu;many of them smaller than whatever you currently occupy. 1279289;1442632219;mircea_popescu;and noisier. and whatever-er. 1279290;1442632268;asciilifeform;this is really more a mansion in one's mind. 1279291;1442632284;asciilifeform;bush would not gain it by moving to pakistan. 1279292;1442632285;mircea_popescu;yeah, the jews resisting the flames through culture all went to the castle in the mind. 1279293;1442632288;mircea_popescu;good for 'em. 1279294;1442632304;mircea_popescu;and of fucking course bush would not gain it, whatever the fuck he does. 1279295;1442632315;mircea_popescu;part of parcel of why actual people do not wish to live in the land of the dumb. 1279296;1442632394;trinque;I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people. 1279297;1442632412;asciilifeform;trinque: in what sense not ? 1279298;1442632416;mircea_popescu;trinque the day the retired head of the spyhouse is excruciated in public over ANY THING you know the place's dead. 1279299;1442632423;mircea_popescu;why the fuck did they not do that to hoover, if they were that brave ? 1279300;1442632439;asciilifeform;why did beria's bullet have to wait for a dead stalin ? 1279301;1442632457;*;mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see how that'd have went. three different presidents wanted to sack the schmuck but gave up because "political cost too great". ie, mansion. 1279302;1442632470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because soviets lived like animals. 1279303;1442632474;mircea_popescu;no mansions. 1279304;1442632479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now this, yes 1279305;1442632487;mircea_popescu;same thing, just, too close to notice. 1279306;1442632532;mircea_popescu;and for that matter notice that stalin also didn't move against beria 1279307;1442632546;mircea_popescu;not that he didn't want to. but, old men are cowardly, regardless of what they were in their youth. 1279308;1442632547;trinque;asciilifeform: in the sense that they live lives of the strictest obedience both to some unspoken social idea of being politically "presentable" and literally to everyone involved in elevating them to what they are 1279309;1442632549;asciilifeform;incidentally, usg imploded libya by vaguely promising 'mansions' - 'your crown-owned official mercedes will become yours! as will your crown-issued chicks!' etc 1279310;1442632553;mircea_popescu;which is why old men make good senators and horrible dictators. 1279311;1442632593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it worked, too. the us managed to get yet another ally for isis, at the cost of destructuring its mideastern holds. 1279312;1442632602;mircea_popescu;they lost the saudis the day gadaffi fell. 1279313;1442632604;asciilifeform;trinque: it melts my brain that someone with actual hold of, say, $100M u.s., wouldn't just pack off to timisoara or buenos aires 1279314;1442632619;trinque;asciilifeform: that just isn't done 1279315;1442632622;mircea_popescu;now the russians have the pincer on and there's exactly nothing the us can do to rebalance. 1279316;1442632623;asciilifeform;fuck 'presentable'. 1279317;1442632647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is their ideas of self worth are not accepted either place. 1279318;1442632655;mircea_popescu;they have exactly your problem, "do not wish to compete with younger men" 1279319;1442632661;asciilifeform;who needs 'idea of self worth' when you have $maxint. 1279320;1442632663;mircea_popescu;all their meatwot is not there. 1279321;1442632665;mircea_popescu;hahaha. 1279322;1442632667;mircea_popescu;mmmkay. 1279323;1442632667;asciilifeform;i only need it to eat. 1279324;1442632671;asciilifeform;the meatwot. 1279325;1442632683;mircea_popescu;didn't you just say you don't like yest ? 1279326;1442632685;asciilifeform;plugged into the mains, so to speak. 1279327;1442632688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8726 @ 0.00074797 = 6.5268 BTC [-] 1279328;1442632695;asciilifeform;but some folks have reactor! 1279329;1442632702;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-09-2015#1276886 1279330;1442632702;assbot;Logged on 16-09-2015 20:49:44; ascii_field: i can afford plane ticket. 1279331;1442632702;asciilifeform;why ~they~ don't run off, is beyond me. 1279332;1442632713;asciilifeform;aha. ticket. 1279333;1442632713;mircea_popescu;yaya, why OTHERS don't do shit is beyond you. 1279334;1442632720;asciilifeform;but not food, rent for rest of life! 1279335;1442632722;asciilifeform;elementary. 1279336;1442632723;mircea_popescu;lol 1279337;1442632729;mircea_popescu;eh getouttahere. 1279338;1442632816;*;mircea_popescu finds this somewhat puzzling, he has no problem competing with other men of any age. had no problem at 16 sitting 50yos on their ass, has no problem at 36 sitting 16 26 or w/e idem. i've yet to hear this magical "i'd rather go with him, he's younger" thing even. 1279339;1442632841;mircea_popescu;consequently, /me suspects that this is more an artefact of incompetence and fear than actual nature. 1279340;1442632843;asciilifeform;very easy when you aren't walking the line of starvation. 1279341;1442632848;mircea_popescu;what THE FUCK is younger man gonna do, blow in it ? 1279342;1442632856;asciilifeform;and yes, incompetence. i do not have the competences of mircea_popescu, this is not a seekrit. 1279343;1442632879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what starvation. are you proposing i'm BUYING my shit ? 1279344;1442632885;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would that go. 1279345;1442632903;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu operates profitable businesses, etc. 1279346;1442632910;asciilifeform;reactor. 1279347;1442632918;mircea_popescu;ya sure. and if i were fucking starving, what exacty difference;d it make to you ? 1279348;1442632924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps unrelated (but possibly not), near the minez where i toil there has always been beggars. as in, 24/7, the buggers beg in shifts. for a month or so there was a cosmic anomaly: a passably young gurl. and today she was dragged away screaming by two bicycle cops. 1279349;1442632943;mircea_popescu;lmao the bicycle cops. 1279350;1442632956;asciilifeform;aha, never saw those before in any sort of numbers outside university campus 1279351;1442632958;mircea_popescu;didja offer her a cup of coffee ? 1279352;1442632960;asciilifeform;somehow they are a thing now. 1279353;1442632970;mircea_popescu;"somehow". shortages is the somehow. 1279354;1442632975;asciilifeform;gotta be. 1279355;1442632987;asciilifeform;either undersupply of squad cars or - as i assumed - oversupply of policemen 1279356;1442632994;mircea_popescu;why did you not talk up the cosmic anomaly, aflie! 1279357;1442633002;asciilifeform;from what, car ? l0l 1279358;1442633005;mircea_popescu;yes. 1279359;1442633010;mircea_popescu;they stop, don't they ? 1279360;1442633014;cazalla;friend and foe http://i.imgur.com/JpHE9hx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/j2RUdEI.jpg 1279361;1442633015;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTbnwn ) 1279362;1442633016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTbkRj ) 1279363;1442633035;trinque;cazalla: cool shots 1279364;1442633040;asciilifeform;cazalla: very spiffy. yours ? 1279365;1442633054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22193 @ 0.00074797 = 16.5997 BTC [-] 1279366;1442633056;mircea_popescu;cazalla "fluturele alb al verzei". cabbage white buttefly. 1279367;1442633061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what am i to do with the wild animal, l0l. 1279368;1442633062;cazalla;yes, broad beans as previously mentioned, lots of bees and insects about with the warmer spring weather 1279369;1442633062;mircea_popescu;whatcha call it ? (horrid pest, it is) 1279370;1442633067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform TALK. 1279371;1442633068;*;asciilifeform doesn't zoophilia 1279372;1442633080;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you know in advance omaigerd. 1279373;1442633084;asciilifeform;sometimes i do talk to bumz! 1279374;1442633087;asciilifeform;when on foot. 1279375;1442633091;asciilifeform;in a car it is a little awkward. 1279376;1442633093;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah white butterfly but broad beans are a good scam as the flowers trick them 1279377;1442633096;mircea_popescu;but missing out the cosmic anomaly ? it gotta be investigated. 1279378;1442633114;mircea_popescu;you're a scientist aren't you ? 1279379;1442633120;trinque;man I love talking with bums 1279380;1442633127;trinque;highly entertaining 1279381;1442633134;asciilifeform;trinque: i especially like 'math bums' 1279382;1442633141;asciilifeform;a species we have in some abundance here 1279383;1442633141;mircea_popescu;i certainly never miss the opportunity to inquire with young female beggars, because the thing puzzles me 1279384;1442633153;asciilifeform;aha, inevitably 'why???' 1279385;1442633156;mircea_popescu;o btw, feminazis chicks : how come you don't go begging more often bitchez ? you know, for equalitit. 1279386;1442633189;mircea_popescu;"oh, men dominate all professions. mostly, busking. but let's talk about vague shit instead like carly fiorina and how she ruined hp" 1279387;1442633197;asciilifeform;!s glass cellar 1279388;1442633198;assbot;0 results for 'glass cellar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glass+cellar 1279389;1442633200;asciilifeform;hmm 1279390;1442633204;asciilifeform;;;google glass cellar 1279391;1442633204;gribble;Urban Dictionary: glass cellar: ; Labor Day's Glass Cellars and Women's Wisdom - Dr. Warren Farrell: ; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ...: how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa < mno. what another lie to a liar? 1279449;1442656622;kakobrekla;whats* 1279450;1442656632;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/sWwkIfi.jpg >.> 1279451;1442656633;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KstIS7 ) 1279452;1442657248;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279194 more related to Lex than yacc I think. definitely worth a look https://www.colm.net/open-source/ragel/ 1279453;1442657248;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 02:46:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ? 1279454;1442657454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00074514 = 6.52 BTC [+] {3} 1279455;1442658247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00074665 = 22.3995 BTC [+] 1279456;1442658674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00074782 = 24.1546 BTC [+] {3} 1279457;1442659650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10320 @ 0.00075066 = 7.7468 BTC [+] 1279458;1442660199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78500 @ 0.00074268 = 58.3004 BTC [-] {5} 1279459;1442661053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11637 @ 0.00074776 = 8.7017 BTC [+] {2} 1279460;1442661114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37895 @ 0.00074194 = 28.1158 BTC [-] {3} 1279461;1442661175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6033 @ 0.00074171 = 4.4747 BTC [-] 1279462;1442661407;punkman;http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2015/09/improved-digital-certificate-security.html 1279463;1442661408;assbot;Google Online Security Blog: Improved Digital Certificate Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1F85D78 ) 1279464;1442661419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82448 @ 0.00074067 = 61.0668 BTC [-] {4} 1279465;1442661424;punkman;"During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah 1279466;1442661479;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPJyQFLUsAA1f2q.jpg:large 1279467;1442661479;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F85Hny ) 1279468;1442661480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16639 @ 0.00074009 = 12.3144 BTC [-] {2} 1279469;1442661585;punkman;Trump: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." 1279470;1442661653;shinohai;wut 1279471;1442661852;punkman;http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. " 1279472;1442661853;assbot;Scrap cash altogether, says Bank of England’s chief economist - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoxA7B ) 1279473;1442662115;punkman;http://i.cbc.ca/1.3235030.1442618354!/fileImage/httpImage/image.PNG_gen/derivatives/original_620/sexist-ad.PNG 1279474;1442662116;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Koy65p ) 1279475;1442662173;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPK9LeKW8AA_xxy.jpg 1279476;1442662173;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoycKe ) 1279477;1442662212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00075066 = 15.4636 BTC [+] 1279478;1442662700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00074775 = 30.583 BTC [-] 1279479;1442662883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00074775 = 27.4424 BTC [-] 1279480;1442664286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00075064 = 45.2636 BTC [+] 1279481;1442664713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00075124 = 10.1042 BTC [+] {3} 1279482;1442665018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00075064 = 23.4575 BTC [-] 1279483;1442665079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74916 @ 0.00075158 = 56.3054 BTC [+] {5} 1279484;1442665751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18040 @ 0.00074942 = 13.5195 BTC [-] {3} 1279485;1442665933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0007412 = 5.8555 BTC [-] 1279486;1442667580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00074004 = 31.8217 BTC [-] {4} 1279487;1442667763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00073923 = 66.7525 BTC [-] {5} 1279488;1442668434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36046 @ 0.00073918 = 26.6445 BTC [-] 1279489;1442668678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00073906 = 29.3776 BTC [-] {3} 1279490;1442669166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00073859 = 7.2013 BTC [-] {4} 1279491;1442669175;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279296 << me too! I visited a false church on the outskirts of Waco for their harvest festival, and they were telling me that Bush sometimes attended / was seen "praying" at the main musical event 1279492;1442669175;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 03:13:14; trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people. 1279493;1442670752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00074313 = 26.7898 BTC [+] {4} 1279494;1442671301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00073785 = 13.3182 BTC [-] 1279495;1442672131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279466 << pretty good, what is that punkman ? 1279496;1442672131;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 11:17:59; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPJyQFLUsAA1f2q.jpg:large 1279497;1442672163;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279471 << yeah, because that's the point of government, to try and prevent people doing what they want to do. 1279498;1442672163;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. " 1279499;1442672174;mircea_popescu;government by the aliens, for the aliens, with these people. 1279500;1442672204;punkman;mircea_popescu: japanese parliament iirc 1279501;1442672227;mircea_popescu;someone gotta explain to me on what basis the (mistaken, btw) proposition that "the UK" exists, or has a government or anything is even supposed to rest. 1279502;1442672243;mircea_popescu;we might as well discuss the heavenly host. purely imaginary nonsense with no practical bearing. 1279503;1442672277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51012 @ 0.00074052 = 37.7754 BTC [+] {3} 1279504;1442672338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6828 @ 0.00075037 = 5.1235 BTC [+] {3} 1279505;1442672517;mircea_popescu;vbuterinEthereum - Vitalik Buterin thehighfiveghostEthereum - George Hallam Blue-ChainEthereum - Ken Kappler avsaEthereum - Alex van de Sande crypto_jesusEthereum - Konstantin Kudryavtsev frozemanEthereum - Fabian Vogelsteller 1279506;1442672520;mircea_popescu;justincase. 1279507;1442672610;mircea_popescu;http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethercoin/ << lol. 1279508;1442672611;assbot;Ethercoin (ETC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnVVDP ) 1279509;1442672699;mircea_popescu;re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-09-2015#1264355 : 1279510;1442672699;assbot;Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000 1279511;1442672705;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00362294 * 15000 1279512;1442672705;gribble;54.3441 1279513;1442672739;mircea_popescu;it actually dropped 50% in two weeks. 1279514;1442672756;punkman;ethercoin is an altcoin, not ethereum 1279515;1442672765;mircea_popescu;http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ < 1279516;1442672766;assbot;Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq ) 1279517;1442672788;mircea_popescu;(the other one is around 0.001 last it traded, which is August) 1279518;1442672809;mircea_popescu;this one STARTED in august, and it's gonna be 0 by november or whatever. 1279519;1442672809;punkman;"Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale" 1279520;1442672823;mircea_popescu;yaya 1279521;1442672824;punkman;oic 1279522;1442672852;mircea_popescu;i can't fucking believe there's 40 btc on its survival. 1279523;1442673005;mircea_popescu;https://www.ethereum.org/ << impressive they crossed out "safe". unimpressive they omit to mention "ethereum is blablabla JUST LIKE RIPPLE" and "its perspectives are nil, JUST LIKE RIPPLE'S WERE". 1279524;1442673006;assbot;Ethereum Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnX7aw ) 1279525;1442673072;mircea_popescu;"Social business founded to open up the world of how things are made" 1279526;1442673080;mircea_popescu;really this thing should be preserved for future derps. 1279527;1442673083;mircea_popescu;somehow. 1279528;1442673097;mircea_popescu;the problem of making future derps digest history is un fucking solvable already. 1279529;1442673126;mircea_popescu;like getting malnourished african children to eat beef jerky. 1279530;1442673267;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1279531;1442673268;mircea_popescu;"The foundation is currently in the phase of restructuring its communications activities. Several members of our current communications team in London are soon leaving or reducing their involvement in the Foundation in order to pursue for-profit ventures on top of the Ethereum ecosystem; we wish them the best of luck. And so, we have both the necessity and a unique opportunity to reboot that side of the organizat 1279532;1442673269;mircea_popescu;ion and take another look at how the Ethereum foundation interacts with the community. 1279533;1442673269;mircea_popescu;As some initial steps, we are going to do the following: 1279534;1442673269;mircea_popescu;We will make an effort to de-emphasize Skype, and emphasize Gitter as a means of real-time communication for developers. Gitter has the advantages that (i) its easier to quickly jump in and participate," 1279535;1442673306;mircea_popescu;"We will continue our general direction of increasing permissiveness that we began with our recent changes to branding guidelines, and emphasis on maintaining norms of common sense and civility over strict rules. We are not following in the footsteps of /r/bitcoins theymos. Discussion of EthereumXT (I suppose the closest equivalent we have is Expanse, with its 10x higher gas limit) is NOT banned. 1279536;1442673306;mircea_popescu;We will de-emphasize the ETH DEV brand (with the exception of DEVcon) and focus attention on Ethereum going forward" 1279537;1442673340;mircea_popescu;a) all the wrong fucking choices ; b) they actually believe this shit has some sort of meaning. god help me, "the eth dev brand" ? how the fuck is it a brand. 1279538;1442673372;mircea_popescu;they actually sit around and pretend like this shit's a thing. i have so much trouble processing this... 1279539;1442673375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00075242 = 20.6916 BTC [+] 1279540;1442673417;mircea_popescu;from fb : Ethereum September 7 at 8:02am Executive Director Ming Chan (@mingchan88) posts on Ethereum's new updated branding guidelines https://www.reddit.com///new_ethereum_branding_guidelines/ 1279541;1442673425;shinohai;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux_repeat_microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux/ <<< The only linux guaranteed to get you pwnd. 1279542;1442673426;assbot;Microsoft has developed its own Linux. Repeat. Microsoft has developed its own Linux • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUfJz ) 1279543;1442673429;mircea_popescu;srsly ? "executive director" ? branding guidelines ? 1279544;1442673435;mircea_popescu;what the everloving treefortfuck! 1279545;1442673450;mircea_popescu;shinohai nah, it's ok, ubuntu was there first. 1279546;1442673455;shinohai;When you create your own money, you also get to make up a job title! How cool is dat? 1279547;1442673623;mircea_popescu;very cool. 1279548;1442673674;mircea_popescu;http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3143/is-there-a-way-to-send-all-ether-from-one-address-to-another << considering this is the most read/commented item on the thing's forum, and also the only one to get any comments / more than 5 views, and also the principal item in "protocol discussion" (a heading made to differentiate from NON TECHNICAL discussions) 1279549;1442673675;assbot;Is there a way to send all Ether from one address to another? - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUtQX ) 1279550;1442673683;mircea_popescu;all i wanna know is what the fuck broken parenscript they use. 1279551;1442673691;mircea_popescu;eth.sendTransaction({from:eth.accounts[1], to:eth.accounts[2], value:eth.getBalance(eth.accounts[0])-eth.gasPrice*21000, gas:21000}) 1279552;1442673691;mircea_popescu;Unlock account 1279553;1442673691;mircea_popescu;Passphrase: 1279554;1442673691;mircea_popescu;Negative value 1279555;1442673691;mircea_popescu; at InvalidResponse (:-81076:-133) 1279556;1442673693;mircea_popescu; at send (:-154580:-133) 1279557;1442673695;mircea_popescu; at sendTransaction (:-131712:-133) 1279558;1442673697;mircea_popescu; at :1:1 1279559;1442673707;mircea_popescu;it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json 1279560;1442673863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00073687 = 30.4696 BTC [-] {4} 1279561;1442673976;mircea_popescu;http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ? 1279562;1442673977;assbot;Can't compile a contract - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yo0bU1 ) 1279563;1442674028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seriously, it seems like this thing aims to be ~ urbit. made by people of the same exact ilk ("got some usg payola") but who understand EVEN LESS of computing. 1279564;1442674048;shinohai;I'm still rofl from the guy who sent all his coin to a contract the other day and now can't recover it. 1279565;1442674083;mircea_popescu;so they're not even at discussing jets and immutability yet. so far we're doing "branding imperatives" and "How to call Serpent function from JAVA SCRIPT (including encoding of function arguments)" 1279566;1442674124;mircea_popescu;mindboggling what the population of excel-educated project managers in obscure office space will do with their time if you let them loose. 1279567;1442674141;mircea_popescu;i simply had no fucking idea, i imagined they'd go ineptly hit on girls or something. eat many cakes. 1279568;1442674185;mircea_popescu;shinohai i'd be actually surprised if anyone managed to use this thing as intended to date. 1279569;1442674233;mircea_popescu;i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously. 1279570;1442674356;mircea_popescu;http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/1576/mist-preview-discussion-thread << heh. 1279571;1442674358;assbot;Mist preview discussion thread - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUW5v ) 1279572;1442674375;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. that was entertaining. thanks whoever threw away 10k on bitbet, for the morning lulz. 1279573;1442674431;mircea_popescu;"Taylor Gerring @TaylorGerring Sep 17 Taylor Gerring retweeted Vitalik Buterin The benefit of #Ethereum being defined by a spec, not an implementation " 1279574;1442674434;mircea_popescu;o god almighty. 1279575;1442674479;mircea_popescu;who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem. 1279576;1442674688;shinohai;I decided not to bet on that one, I mean there are people that *still* believe in paycon despite Garza being what he was. 1279577;1442674777;mircea_popescu;obviously. i'm sure there's somewhere some people secretly waiting for neobee "brick and mortar stores" to come out of hiding. 1279578;1442674817;mircea_popescu;http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin/ << $ 1,343 MARKET CAP!!11 1279579;1442674818;assbot;Paycoin (PYC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioVkRu ) 1279580;1442674822;mircea_popescu;20 dollars guarantee!!11 1279581;1442674870;shinohai;LOL at that mc now. 1279582;1442674900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00073617 = 19.6925 BTC [-] {4} 1279583;1442674929;shinohai;In that vein, TradeFortress is sure to give me back the coin I lost in coinlenders too. 1279584;1442675182;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279559 << i don't see any traces of lisp in this atrocity 1279585;1442675182;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 14:41:47; mircea_popescu: it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json 1279586;1442675193;mircea_popescu;im still puzzled as to why all the eth derps imagine they're competing with bitcoin, quoting all sorts of bitcoin news etc, when it's quite clear they're trying to eat the ever shrinking ripple pie. 1279587;1442675194;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279561 << holy fuck 1279588;1442675194;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 14:46:16; mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ? 1279589;1442675217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it suddenly makes sense when you realize that they are not competing with bitcoin, but with 'bitcoin' 1279590;1442675224;mircea_popescu;oh. 1279591;1442675239;mircea_popescu;but that'd be dogecoin 1279592;1442675245;asciilifeform;as in, the thing usg universities, 'ngo' complex, etc. finance. 1279593;1442675256;mircea_popescu;right. 1279594;1442675258;asciilifeform;nah dogecoin is the u.s. dept. of reddit's version. 1279595;1442675274;mircea_popescu;technologically urbit, managerially dogecoin, practically ripple. 1279596;1442675276;asciilifeform;these are (hard as it may be to believe) separate ministries 1279597;1442675284;asciilifeform;aha. 1279598;1442675362;mircea_popescu;and within not so long, the only people left standing will have a very strong "opentransactions" flavour to it 1279599;1442675379;mircea_popescu;(which is pure necrodearia style insanity-on-a-stick, for the people who haven 1279600;1442675387;mircea_popescu;'t been watching the show back in 2012ish) 1279601;1442675397;asciilifeform;the other thing is, i was briefly astonished at how broken the thing is, but then remembered an old mircea_popescu lemma which leads to 'it must necessarily be broken' - i haven't the link handy, but this was an article where 'usg dare not safely use a working bitcoin or even similar item, because it will begin to warp around it' 1279602;1442675432;mircea_popescu;there's very faint traces of usg in all of this. 1279603;1442675432;shinohai;meanwhile, thank you asciilifeform for giving us a bitcoind that isn't a horribly bloated p.o.s. 1279604;1442675442;mircea_popescu;mostly because warm soup at maryland, but that's limited. 1279605;1442675448;asciilifeform;shinohai: l0l it wasn't just my doing 1279606;1442675484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the soup at md was poured by nsf (a good $2M worth iirc, straight from the crown) 1279607;1442675499;asciilifeform;and that's merely the first parcel. 1279608;1442675504;mircea_popescu;2mn is not enough to take a piss. 1279609;1442675523;asciilifeform;it is an appetizer. pays for two profs and a stable of arsewipes 1279610;1442675540;mircea_popescu;yes, but the stable gets $20 a head. 1279611;1442675567;asciilifeform;one of these days i'ma walk over to their sweatshop & count'em 1279612;1442675586;asciilifeform;(yes, presently anybody can just waltz in) 1279613;1442675618;mircea_popescu;or send pet. 1279614;1442675623;asciilifeform;or. 1279615;1442675636;mircea_popescu;she can pretend she's wymyn in tech, interested in ethereum for glory. 1279616;1442675640;mircea_popescu;see what happens 1279617;1442675646;mircea_popescu;(i do this sort of thing ALLLLL the time.) 1279618;1442675693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073611 = 7.2139 BTC [-] 1279619;1442675817;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279498 << i never quite understood why this has not happened yet in usa 1279620;1442675817;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 14:16:03; assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. " 1279621;1442675866;asciilifeform;popular explanations range from 'nah they can't ban it, with what will we pay the mexican strawberry pickers' to 'it will come any day now' 1279622;1442675880;mircea_popescu;us cash is banned anyway. 1279623;1442675887;mircea_popescu;think for a second : your largest bill is worth ~80 euros. 1279624;1442675900;mircea_popescu;the eu still has 500 euro bills, which are about as useful as argentine 100 pesos. 1279625;1442675911;mircea_popescu;for a functioning cash economy you'd need 10k bills. 1279626;1442675927;mircea_popescu;stuff with two digits should be reminted as coins. 1279627;1442675934;asciilifeform;this will come. 1279628;1442675939;asciilifeform;as per zimbabwe. 1279629;1442675954;mircea_popescu;"no inflation for a century" ==> "time to cut two zeros off the currency" 1279630;1442675959;asciilifeform;aha. 1279631;1442675968;asciilifeform;as the ruble, under hruschev 1279632;1442676059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00073494 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {2} 1279633;1442676110;asciilifeform;back to u.s. cash, i suspect that it remains a thing at least partly due to ease of extrajudicial confiscation 1279634;1442676194;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1279635;1442676229;mircea_popescu;nobody that you know paid in cash for a house or even a car. think about that. what cash ? 1279636;1442676260;mircea_popescu;twenty years ago you COULD NOT buy a house in romania other than for cash. no matter what. 1279637;1442676318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, if you are so much as seen publicly with a bag of cash big enough for a car (much less a house) - immediate jail, unless you have an alibi 1279638;1442676348;mircea_popescu;so then what "will". 1279639;1442676349;asciilifeform;and if you ~do~ have a 'good reason', you might still be dekulakized 1279640;1442676352;mircea_popescu;it's banned. 1279641;1442676363;asciilifeform;ah the 'will' is per 'shave two zeros' 1279642;1442676416;mircea_popescu;the only incentive to do that is the loss of face over having to print wider bills to accomodate the increase in digits. 1279643;1442676424;mircea_popescu;as the us is not printing new bills, the incentive is not present. 1279644;1442676581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i also suspect that one of the drivers of usg interest in demented pseudo-bitcoin contraptions ('permissioned blockchain technology!') is that these folks dream of a hybrid bulldog-rhinoceros, 'best of both', where usg can electronically steal everything you have, but without any bureaucratic snags - it will look precisely like a voluntary donation, from a mathematical standpoint 1279645;1442676611;mircea_popescu;i doubt anyone thinks this far ahead. 1279646;1442676632;mircea_popescu;so far it's more like a "pack of wild dogs invaded your living room ? quick, drop some squaky toys on the floor!11" 1279647;1442676644;mircea_popescu;"we'll figure it out later..." 1279648;1442676741;mircea_popescu;so since i'm now looking at the table of "crypto currencies", as if that's a thing now (hey, why not you know, alternate centers of gravity - why not!!1), here's a table : 1279649;1442676746;mircea_popescu;#Name"MKT CAP"unit priceM3Trade volumeChange 1279650;1442676746;mircea_popescu;1 Bitcoin $ 3,380,982,278 $ 231.09 14,630,650 BTC $ 14,104,800 -1.02 % 1279651;1442676746;mircea_popescu;2 Ripple $ 242,349,655 $ 0.007460 32,488,247,336 XRP $ 614,620 -0.87 % 1279652;1442676746;mircea_popescu;3 Litecoin $ 121,542,198 $ 2.87 42,357,610 LTC $ 811,946 -3.64 % 1279653;1442676746;mircea_popescu;4 Ethereum $ 61,476,700 $ 0.838699 73,300,075 ETH $ 426,907 -1.99 % 1279654;1442676747;mircea_popescu;5 BitShares $ 14,993,647 $ 0.005969 2,511,953,117 BTS $ 468,786 12.20 % 1279655;1442676771;mircea_popescu;someone fucking explain to me what is the MEANING of "quarter billion mkt cap" over half a million trade volume. 1279656;1442676789;mircea_popescu;in what sense does this make sense ? you don't even need to have finance experience to notice this nonsense. 1279657;1442676808;asciilifeform;idk, how does 3B with 14M volume make sense ? 1279658;1442676811;mircea_popescu;leaving aside "what the fuck is bitshares" etc. 1279659;1442676820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't. 1279660;1442676826;asciilifeform;no shit 1279661;1442676888;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#742046 1279662;1442676888;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.' 1279663;1442676970;asciilifeform;there is this. 1279664;1442676994;asciilifeform;but also, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, 'market cap' is a pseudoscientific measure to begin with. 1279665;1442677006;mircea_popescu;General Motors Company (GM). volume : 17,957,300 (3 mo avg) , 1.58 Bn outstanding. 1279666;1442677018;asciilifeform;it is possible that, e.g., 'market cap' for rembrandt canvases is $3B but this year's trading volume is $0 1279667;1442677048;mircea_popescu;so bitcoin is pushing it with its 0.005. but this 0.001 bs... 1279668;1442677063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "possible" in what alt-universe ? 1279669;1442677073;asciilifeform;if none had changed hands ? 1279670;1442677083;asciilifeform;in the time period under consideration 1279671;1442677086;mircea_popescu;dividing the mkt cap by the mkt volume roughly yields the "empty hopes" factor. 1279672;1442677096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00074329 = 24.6029 BTC [+] 1279673;1442677100;mircea_popescu;why would that be the case, the less liquid a market is the more hope driven it is. 1279674;1442677266;mircea_popescu;anyway, to sum up : mkt cap / mkt volume factors. bitcoin 0.004171805 ; ripple 0.002536088 ; ltc 0.006680363 ; 0.006944208 ; "bitshares" 0.031265642 ; general motors, 0.01136538 1279675;1442677392;mircea_popescu;or if you don't like gm, apple is 59,026,600/5.70 bn = 0.010355544 1279676;1442677442;asciilifeform;how about physical gold ? 1279677;1442677460;mircea_popescu;that's too cooked. 1279678;1442677467;asciilifeform;suspected as much 1279679;1442677503;mircea_popescu;but if you'd prefer minerals, how about shell. 1,583,440 / 3.16bn = 0.000501089 1279680;1442677521;mircea_popescu;(rds-b) 1279681;1442677745;pete_dushenski;jpm : 16,534,400 / 3.70 bn = 0.00446875675676 1279682;1442677828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54158 @ 0.00073959 = 40.0547 BTC [-] {5} 1279683;1442677848;mircea_popescu;eh jpm. 1279684;1442677877;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279569 << was augur fussing about bitbet ? i musta missed this and just figured they'd pretend like bb/mpex were never invented 1279685;1442677877;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 14:50:33; mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously. 1279686;1442677882;mircea_popescu;anyway, berkshire's 297/811760 = 0.000365872, better example in that vein 1279687;1442677953;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279575 << you!!1 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-08-2015#1250344 1279688;1442677953;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 14:54:39; mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem. 1279689;1442677953;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 17:51:38; mircea_popescu: because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven. 1279690;1442677969;mircea_popescu;damn. 1279691;1442677986;mircea_popescu;wait, i call scamminigans. 1279692;1442677992;mircea_popescu;i was discussing women and blowjobs wasn't i. 1279693;1442678068;pete_dushenski;my guess is bois thought that gender equality meant that they could be enthusiastic too 1279694;1442678076;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/3js068/is_this_a_dream/ << o brother, the traders. 1279695;1442678078;assbot;Is this a dream? : BitShares ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXOzmC ) 1279696;1442678089;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they could! IF THEY WERE SUCKING COCK. 1279697;1442678099;mircea_popescu;o wait. they also think wrinkly old usgfag qualifies huh. 1279698;1442678101;mircea_popescu;jesus. 1279699;1442678107;pete_dushenski;discrimination 1279700;1442678123;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 12.10078888 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b13 1279701;1442678127;mircea_popescu;anyway, "bitshares" turns out to be yet another bitbet-killer 1279702;1442678133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45595 @ 0.00074465 = 33.9523 BTC [+] {3} 1279703;1442678135;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder that shit site's still around. 1279704;1442678154;mircea_popescu;"BTS's consensus algorithm is DPOS, which is roughly that stakeholders vote on a relatively small set of block validators (~100). All stakeholders care about is "sufficient" decentralization - block validators are quick to replace. These validators can be high-performance servers." 1279705;1442678305;mircea_popescu;"I read about interest on bitAssets. Tell me more! 1279706;1442678305;mircea_popescu;If you tumbled over the term interest, you probably read an outdated posted. Sorry to tell you but there is no interest on your bitUSD ... for legal reasons ... thus the community decided to call it a yield :-). That yield is payed out every time you transfer bitUSD (that are older than 24h). This effectively is an interest, but has an other name. Check out the our info graphic about is:" 1279707;1442678306;mircea_popescu;sigh 1279708;1442678324;pete_dushenski;i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it 1279709;1442678342;pete_dushenski;it was 2013's Great New Thing 1279710;1442678350;pete_dushenski;'ground floor' kinda stuff 1279711;1442678366;mircea_popescu;dude that eth bet's a killer lol 1279712;1442678389;pete_dushenski;tip o' the cap to whoever drafted it up 1279713;1442678398;pete_dushenski;'etc' notwithstanding 1279714;1442678437;mircea_popescu;i suspect it was a deliberate jab 1279715;1442678443;mircea_popescu;etc is an actual eth thing. 1279716;1442678534;pete_dushenski;what's the relation between eth and etc ? 1279717;1442678559;pete_dushenski;"Ethercoins are redeemable for Ether on a 1:1 basis." 1279718;1442678566;pete_dushenski;"Please Note: We are in no way affiliated with the Official Ethereum project." 1279719;1442678577;pete_dushenski;^from ethercoin website 1279720;1442678586;mircea_popescu;also above in log. 1279721;1442678616;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279519 << aha 1279722;1442678616;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 14:26:49; punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale" 1279723;1442678631;pete_dushenski;still makes no goddam sense but w/e 1279724;1442678636;pete_dushenski;lol 1279725;1442678686;pete_dushenski;"President Barack Obama nominated Eric Fanning to become the next secretary of the Army, the White House said, paving the way for the first openly gay leader of a military service branch in U.S. history." 1279726;1442678859;mircea_popescu;http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/business/20150915/arcadia-based-company-under-investigation-councilmans-connections-under-scrutiny 1279727;1442678860;assbot;Arcadia-based company under investigation, councilman’s connections under scrutiny ... ( http://bit.ly/1WaoX7X ) 1279728;1442678860;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1279729;1442678876;mircea_popescu;the company ? which the guy called "a major breakthrough in finance" ? 1279730;1442678878;mircea_popescu;GEMCOIN 1279731;1442678905;mircea_popescu;i thought azn ppl were supposed to be throwing the curve. 1279732;1442678995;mircea_popescu;"Former heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson has joined forces with a cryptocurrency firm to bring bitcoin ATMs to Las Vegas. The deal with Conexus and Bitcoin Direct is believed to be the first celebrity partnership in the bitcoin industry." 1279733;1442679011;mircea_popescu;awww, twinklefenton's gonna be butt-hurt ? again 1279734;1442679019;pete_dushenski;http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135778037437.png << link from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 goes straight to mpex.ws 1279735;1442679021;assbot;MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXQffY ) 1279736;1442679070;pete_dushenski;there are probably a raft of 'polimedia' links on loper that do the same. 1279737;1442679084;mircea_popescu;old chan thing that meanwhilke died. 1279738;1442679137;mircea_popescu;hahahaha australia, that shithole where canaries are illegal ? lmao. 1279739;1442679325;mircea_popescu;https://np.reddit.com/r/primecoin/comments/3lg17m/if_primecoin_becomes_international_transferring/ 1279740;1442679327;assbot;If Primecoin becomes international transferring instrument, the price versus USD will potentially hit 1,000! : primecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Waptmp ) 1279741;1442679597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00075242 = 5.2669 BTC [+] 1279742;1442680085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00075242 = 8.2014 BTC [+] 1279743;1442680210;mircea_popescu;"CoinTelegraph Media Group is the largest international cryptocurrency-related marketing and advertising agency in the world. Our Ad opportunities provide our clients with wide-reaching penetration into the cryptocurrency-oriented community." 1279744;1442680576;mircea_popescu;!up crescendo 1279745;1442680620;mircea_popescu;and in retrospective lulz, murdoch paid 5bn for dow jones in 2008. last summer ft sold (to nikkei) for 1.change bn. 1279746;1442680629;mircea_popescu;the only question being wtf were the japs thinking. 1279747;1442680673;mircea_popescu;it does maybe 20mn profit over half bn revenue. which half bn revenue dropped 80% over the decade and will drop 90% over the next decade. 1279748;1442681226;pete_dushenski;japs were thinking 'not my bezzlars, don't care where they come from or where they're going, just that they're active rather than passive' 1279749;1442681244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76549 @ 0.00075305 = 57.6452 BTC [+] {4} 1279750;1442681357;pete_dushenski;"General Motors admitted wrongdoing and will pay a $900-million penalty, but will avoid federal prosecution for its mishandling of an ignition-switch defect in some of its older cars." << even 'chosen ones' have to pay their tithes/baksheesh. 1279751;1442681479;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ivananucar.jpg << the competition for 'best troll name' intensifies. this, from a local car dealer. 1279752;1442681655;pete_dushenski;;;later tell Pierre_Rochard http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 << "Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive." 1279753;1442681657;assbot;Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDt8Gj ) 1279754;1442681657;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1279755;1442681768;mircea_popescu;"Many economists believe that balance sheet losses are irrelevant for a central bank, so they should play no role in policy." 1279756;1442681770;mircea_popescu;ahjahahaha 1279757;1442681771;mircea_popescu;win. 1279758;1442681809;pete_dushenski;this is precisely what i mean by 'economists' of which noah smith is a prime example 1279759;1442681829;pete_dushenski;'many economist believe that inflation doesn't erode your savings' 1279760;1442681833;pete_dushenski;sure, why not. 1279761;1442681866;pete_dushenski;it's the most meaningless source in the universe for a journalist to cite 1279762;1442681880;pete_dushenski;how many 'economists' exist ? tens of thousands ? 1279763;1442681890;pete_dushenski;so 100 of them is 'many' 1279764;1442681897;mircea_popescu;clearly they're shopping for many economists the same place gavin did 1279765;1442681905;mircea_popescu;which may or may not be related to the toilet. 1279766;1442681912;pete_dushenski;at walmart 1279767;1442681915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104950 @ 0.00075475 = 79.211 BTC [+] {6} 1279768;1442681955;pete_dushenski;bbias 1279769;1442682005;mircea_popescu;http://heidiroizen.tumblr.com/post/118473647305/how-to-build-a-unicorn-from-scratch-and-walk 1279770;1442682006;assbot;Operating Partner, DFJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiUU9z ) 1279771;1442682098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00075223 = 28.4343 BTC [-] 1279772;1442682294;mircea_popescu;roizen is actually one of those actual women in, well, not tech, but anyway. 1279773;1442682336;*;ben_vulpes pours out a drink for the memory of trinque in town 1279774;1442682346;ben_vulpes;good morning, assett 1279775;1442682350;ben_vulpes;assets* 1279776;1442682383;mircea_popescu;"In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hoolis ad platform." 1279777;1442682392;mircea_popescu;aka, graham's yahoo advertising ponzi scheme. 1279778;1442682533;ben_vulpes;this is relevant to a question i've been mulling of late. say a new client shows up at my door, and i like their shit so much i want to buy a chunk of it. how would i navigate both owning a chunk of the new company and also my consulting company that would be building large swathes of the product? seems a bit ethically and incentive-alignmently fraught. 1279779;1442682891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35962 @ 0.0007542 = 27.1225 BTC [+] {3} 1279780;1442683053;mircea_popescu;the only problem with it is that it's a profession, and you don't have a clue how it works. 1279781;1442683501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075612 = 15.1224 BTC [+] {3} 1279782;1442683623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00075149 = 5.7113 BTC [-] {2} 1279783;1442683645;*;pete_dushenski off for a haircut and some exercise (fear not, the jewfro will survive) 1279784;1442683726;*;ben_vulpes doesn't understand anything about how the world works 1279785;1442685270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00075683 = 6.1629 BTC [+] 1279786;1442685453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00075683 = 9.1955 BTC [+] 1279787;1442685483;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gweDBQ-9LuQ 1279788;1442685484;assbot;The Perl Jam: Exploiting a 20 Year-old Vulnerability [31c3] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp8Obx ) 1279789;1442685758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00075377 = 20.9548 BTC [-] 1279790;1442686429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00074793 = 42.7068 BTC [-] {3} 1279791;1442686684;*;asciilifeform opens crate, says to pet, 'wanna learn some galois theory?' -- pet: 'not unless it will teach me how to die with honour in duel !' 1279792;1442686816;mircea_popescu;o.O 1279793;1442686978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54027 @ 0.00073781 = 39.8617 BTC [-] {5} 1279794;1442686991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279776 << this is about a tv series, 'silicon valley', which is a merciless parody of the whole idiot culture and actually worth seeing 1279795;1442686991;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 17:06:23; mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hoolis ad platform." 1279796;1442687044;mircea_popescu;im writing it up as we speak. 1279797;1442687084;*;asciilifeform barely watches film at all these days, but saw all of 'silicon..', at the instigation of phriendz, and l0lled 1279798;1442688625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00073334 = 7.3701 BTC [-] 1279799;1442689113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00073704 = 11.5428 BTC [+] {3} 1279800;1442689251;mircea_popescu;in other news, trilema article i been working for the past coupla hours now stands at 7.5k words 1279801;1442689601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00074621 = 2.5983 BTC [+] 1279802;1442690602;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1279803;1442690882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00073852 = 18.2045 BTC [-] 1279804;1442692712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00073658 = 30.9364 BTC [-] {3} 1279805;1442693139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00073594 = 14.5348 BTC [-] {2} 1279806;1442693262;ag3nt_zer0;happy saturday all 1279807;1442693322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00073374 = 17.6098 BTC [-] {4} 1279808;1442693324;ag3nt_zer0;watching this great horror film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHyvRHrYYBA 1279809;1442693325;assbot;Indoctrinate U - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gBi9A4 ) 1279810;1442693342;ag3nt_zer0;"An investigation of how political correctness has impinged on freedom of speech and intellectual diversity on college campuses." 1279811;1442693534;shinohai;o/ ag3nt_zer0 1279812;1442693556;ag3nt_zer0;same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph5LdzBE1V4 if anyones interested I like watching this kid fight 1279813;1442693557;assbot;Ben Shapiro on indoctrination of America's youth in universities - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmafJz ) 1279814;1442693572;ag3nt_zer0;yo shinohai, how goes it? 1279815;1442694054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87641 @ 0.00073348 = 64.2829 BTC [-] {3} 1279816;1442694115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00073326 = 24.0143 BTC [-] {2} 1279817;1442694295;mats;http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/16/440667030/another-government-shutdown-looms-at-the-end-of-the-month 1279818;1442694296;assbot;Another Government Shutdown Looms At The End Of The Month : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbmJl ) 1279819;1442694658;shinohai;not bad ag3nt_zer0 having a glass or 8 of wine and you? 1279820;1442694722;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: just watching that indoctrinate U movie haha 1279821;1442694894;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279578 <<< nah, that's the first paycoin, this is garza's paycoin (was also first! ignore the 2 in the url) http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin2/ still, may as well be $1000 1279822;1442694894;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 15:00:17; mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin/ << $ 1,343 MARKET CAP!!11 1279823;1442694895;assbot;PayCoin (XPY) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbSqL ) 1279824;1442695091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00073322 = 29.952 BTC [-] {3} 1279825;1442695278;mircea_popescu;oic. 1279826;1442695640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20122 @ 0.0007331 = 14.7514 BTC [-] 1279827;1442695973;deedbot-;[Trilema] You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ 1279828;1442696921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31354 @ 0.00074518 = 23.3644 BTC [+] {3} 1279829;1442697043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00074133 = 30.9876 BTC [-] 1279830;1442697836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074559 = 19.3853 BTC [+] 1279831;1442697848;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184053.msg12466995;boardseen#new <<< keks 1279832;1442697850;assbot;need someone familiar with finite field arithmetic to write whitepaper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FmZEv1 ) 1279833;1442697897;shinohai;tl;dr I don't know this shit but it is critical to get people to adopt my scamcoin. SO help plox, thx bye. 1279834;1442698004;mircea_popescu;;pr 1279835;1442698018;mircea_popescu;prolly tring to do rijndael something or the other 1279836;1442698269;shinohai;btw excellent trilema post mircea_popescu. I don't have the greatest understanding of such things but that certainly makes sense. 1279837;1442698294;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1279838;1442698380;shinohai;It's easy to see in comparison why most new ventures fail nowadays. 1279839;1442699792;pete_dushenski;http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras 1279840;1442699795;assbot;Searching for the "grey market" foods of New York City — Hopes&Fears — flow "Food" ... ( http://bit.ly/1YpbhIn ) 1279841;1442700764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00074624 = 29.2153 BTC [+] {2} 1279842;1442700774;phf;http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit 1279843;1442700775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YpdR17 ) 1279844;1442701074;shinohai;Tablets are shit too, imho phf 1279845;1442701094;phf;that goes without saying 1279846;1442701213;phf;i wouldn't have posted otherwise, but for the recent calculator discussions. all the talk about "limited edition retro appeal" in stark contrast to b-a considerations 1279847;1442701271;shinohai;b-a has the brightest minds in bitcoin finance, yet I never hear anyone here hawking the latest hardware. 1279848;1442701467;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/7EgfHNf.jpg << I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1279976;1442711769;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/chris-the-overgrown-australian-sheep-breaks-unofficial-world-record-following-shearing-10483977.html 1279977;1442711770;assbot;Lost sheep with overgrown coat found and shaved, yields enough wool to make 30 sweaters - Australasia - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHoesJ ) 1279978;1442713025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82936 @ 0.00073519 = 60.9737 BTC [-] 1279979;1442713155;punkman;for chrome users: http://a/%%30%30 1279980;1442713452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86050 @ 0.00075553 = 65.0134 BTC [+] {2} 1279981;1442713665;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPSzb53U8AEd4rD.png "I'm not "phobic" of all of Islam, just the several hundred million Muslims who think "suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified."" 1279982;1442713666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHqJLI ) 1279983;1442713775;punkman;gotta wonder how "justified" translates to all those languages 1279984;1442713817;punkman;or "I wonder what a survey of Jews and Christians would show re: justification of drone bombings." 1279985;1442713844;mircea_popescu;i think suicide bombing not only can be but actually is perfectly justified. 1279986;1442713851;mircea_popescu;what are you gonna do, pleabargain ? 1279987;1442713855;punkman;aha 1279988;1442713877;mircea_popescu;a dysfunctional legal system makes suicide bombing a necessity. you don't like that, fix the fucking legal system. 1279989;1442713880;punkman;there is the question of who you suicidebomb though 1279990;1442713895;mircea_popescu;no there isn't. that's the thing with suicide bombing : no more questions. 1279991;1442713909;mircea_popescu;you like questions and shit, fix the fucking legal system. 1279992;1442713914;mircea_popescu;that's the place for questions. 1279993;1442713994;mircea_popescu;wait, old holland's banned in the us ?! 1279994;1442714123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25904 @ 0.00075683 = 19.6049 BTC [+] {2} 1279995;1442714161;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPLih9lW8AA8Q7H.jpg:large 1279996;1442714162;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHrlB6 ) 1279997;1442714192;punkman;for mp's castle ^ 1279998;1442714347;mircea_popescu;lol 1279999;1442714371;mircea_popescu;i thought alf was the anal afficcionado 1280000;1442714376;punkman;https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5006/5296624387_c98a68ff69_b.jpg same in wintertime 1280001;1442714377;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHrBjz ) 1280002;1442714391;punkman;it looked more like a cunt from that other angle 1280003;1442714442;mircea_popescu;haha 1280004;1442714488;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279902 << da fuck is that stupid shit 1280005;1442714488;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 23:47:31; assbot: The Truth Behind AbbyBitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtsgPp ) 1280006;1442714748;mircea_popescu;"In fact it's embarrassing, because everyone who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you." <<< so ? the flailing is amusing. 1280007;1442714803;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280000 << win 1280008;1442714803;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 01:59:36; punkman: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5006/5296624387_c98a68ff69_b.jpg same in wintertime 1280009;1442714815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wut 1280010;1442714893;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1280011;1442714898;gribble;Current Blocks: 375276 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1715 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1280012;1442715099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37830 @ 0.00073476 = 27.796 BTC [-] {3} 1280013;1442715161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65970 @ 0.0007328 = 48.3428 BTC [-] {2} 1280014;1442715261;punkman;http://qntra.net/2015/09/xiaoxing-xi-isnt-a-chinese-spy-after-all/ << https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10207388 1280015;1442715261;assbot;Xiaoxing Xi isn't a Chinese spy after all | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHsLLJ ) 1280016;1442715262;assbot;I used to work in the same research field as Xi. A very nice guy, did some very ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHsNn4 ) 1280017;1442715316;asciilifeform;l0l, ulbricht 1280018;1442715337;asciilifeform;'the history you didn't know' (tm) 1280019;1442715543;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-09-2015#1277938 << illustrated https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bryg_k0CYAAIfsY.jpg:large 1280020;1442715543;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 18:45:27; ascii_field: the canonical 'two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner' 1280021;1442715544;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUINut ) 1280022;1442716258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87533 @ 0.00073809 = 64.6072 BTC [+] 1280023;1442716380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00074366 = 24.8382 BTC [+] 1280024;1442716483;mircea_popescu;ahahaha fucktarded gestapo is iliterate so xi ended up with a giant step forward sorta deal ? 1280025;1442716517;mircea_popescu;dude, this is so cool, getting to see the 50s first hand from atop a mountain of prime veal and home made black forest ... 1280026;1442716563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77550 @ 0.00075306 = 58.3998 BTC [+] {5} 1280027;1442716589;mircea_popescu;i couldn't have it better if i planned it. 1280028;1442716601;asciilifeform;hey it sure beats seeing them from inside ! 1280029;1442716618;mircea_popescu;mhm. 1280030;1442716618;asciilifeform;(inside the firebrick, with the gas on, where else) 1280031;1442716639;*;mircea_popescu toasts for this. 1280032;1442716739;asciilifeform;'I saw a huge steam roller, / It blotted out the sun. / The people all lay down, lay down; / They did not try to run. / ... ...' - k. vonnegut 1280033;1442716929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00075727 = 14.3881 BTC [+] {2} 1280034;1442716997;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em. 1280035;1442717269;mircea_popescu;!rated slush 1280036;1442717269;assbot;You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit. 1280037;1442717275;mircea_popescu;!unrate slush 1280038;1442717275;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/af7e9ebcf40eb27e 1280039;1442717296;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.slush:c6ff2578e04e5100530f440a0ddf17701e43e87010b7eee8128b2c43deaf5233 1280040;1442717297;assbot;Successfully unrated slush 1280041;1442717312;mircea_popescu;sad that in 2015 you still gotta teach old hands sense with the hot poker. 1280042;1442717333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: comment on the relative merits of -10 vs 'unrate' 1280043;1442717340;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1280044;1442717354;asciilifeform;as in, what is the logic above 1280045;1442717368;asciilifeform;(when does it make sense to unrate a fuckwit, vs keep -10) 1280046;1442717393;asciilifeform;as i understood, a negrate is a kind of radioactive tomb, a warning to others 1280047;1442717402;mircea_popescu;well, they stopped with the "bip 101" bullshit. 1280048;1442717420;mircea_popescu;i don't think the guy's toxic, just, acts the imbecile on occasion. 1280049;1442717456;asciilifeform;but is he cured in any sense, or just removed from the opportunity to commit atrocities at the given moment ? 1280050;1442717628;mircea_popescu;eh. tell you what, 4 years ago, when most of the current "experts" didn't know how to spell the name, the guy was hit by the first targetted attack, alongside some others. 1280051;1442717646;mircea_popescu;guy at linode ran off with ~5k bitcoin or so. never prosecuted, slush covered out of pocket. 1280052;1442717722;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, being the reason why nobody uses linode to this day. 1280053;1442717728;asciilifeform;but do we know whether this was the lion's share of his pocket, or just pocket lint ? 1280054;1442717770;mircea_popescu;eh, at the time we're discussing nobody in bitcoin had enough money for a spare sandwich. 1280055;1442717791;mircea_popescu;top tier ~= enthusiasts with a spare basement. 1280056;1442717795;asciilifeform;but isn't this because a sandwich cost 100,000 btc at the time? 1280057;1442717807;mircea_popescu;at the time bitcoin was ~4 usd. 1280058;1442717812;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1280059;1442717827;mircea_popescu;so if memory serves he lost like 3.x k worth 10-20k or so. 1280060;1442717845;mircea_popescu;whichy, as he said then and i believed then, set him back a few months of dayjob. 1280061;1442717893;*;asciilifeform given that we had the thread re: 'market depths' today, cannot help but wonder whether a fella with, e.g., 10,000 btc in those times did ~not~ actually see himself as in possession of 40,000 usd 1280062;1442717924;mircea_popescu;there's a difference, a major difference at work here. 1280063;1442717934;asciilifeform;possibly this sounds batshit, but it could explain why the 'early adopt' folks were so eager to part with their coin in return for a song and a promise 1280064;1442717945;mircea_popescu;stuff like ripple or ether is in the 0.05 range because NOBODY WISHES TO BUY. 1280065;1442717952;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is in that range because nobody wishes to sell. 1280066;1442717955;mircea_popescu;huge fucking difference. 1280067;1442717962;mircea_popescu;bitcoin has a history coming up from 1 cent. 1280068;1442717964;mircea_popescu;these shits, do not. 1280069;1442717970;asciilifeform;but whenever someone seems willing to mass-sell, it tanks ? 1280070;1442717976;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1280071;1442717983;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that treating price as a scalar is loony 1280072;1442717989;asciilifeform;it isn't a scalar. 1280073;1442717991;mircea_popescu;whenever "someone" aims to engineer faux sell pressure, "someone" gets raped. 1280074;1442717997;asciilifeform;more of a tensor. 1280075;1442718001;mircea_popescu;no price was ever a scalar. 1280076;1442718149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00073809 = 73.0709 BTC [-] 1280077;1442718149;mircea_popescu;then again, no velocity was ever a scalar either, doesn't prevent cars from displaying odometers. 1280078;1442718271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94850 @ 0.00073556 = 69.7679 BTC [-] {5} 1280079;1442718621;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 12.31075552 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b17 1280080;1442718658;mircea_popescu;o.O 1280081;1442718668;mircea_popescu;curious if this means a further 60 btc on no, now. 1280082;1442718699;mircea_popescu;very instructive comparison, https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ vs https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ 1280083;1442718700;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 91`180 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq ) 1280084;1442718701;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 22.83 B (29%) on Yes, 55.6 B (71%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 94`816 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg ) 1280085;1442718746;mircea_popescu;same time frame, same substantial dispute (altcoin pretending importance). the gavin/hearn idiots have trouble going past 3:100 against them ; ethereum is so far 3:1 or some shit. 1280086;1442718785;mircea_popescu;"according to bitbet, ethereum has two degrees of magnitude better odds at surviving 2015 than gavin's scamcoin." 1280087;1442718838;mircea_popescu;"a total of ~200 bitcoins were locked up for ~3 months to provide this determination" 1280088;1442718872;mircea_popescu;and wait - not even same timeframe o.O 1280089;1442718881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233950 @ 0.00073183 = 171.2116 BTC [-] {11} 1280090;1442718942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21207 @ 0.00073102 = 15.5027 BTC [-] {2} 1280091;1442719003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61193 @ 0.00073097 = 44.7302 BTC [-] 1280092;1442719412;mircea_popescu;actually the topic of how to compare these two props is kinda interesting. 1280093;1442719500;asciilifeform;unrelated but spiffy, http://www.adapower.com/index.php?Command=classes&Title=Source+Treasury 1280094;1442719510;asciilifeform;(sorta like the old 'swag' for pascal !) 1280095;1442720259;mircea_popescu;how goes TomServo 1280096;1442720300;TomServo;Good! Relieved to know I'm still a person after having to refer to a backup. 1280097;1442720332;asciilifeform;TomServo: bullet whistled by, took off your hat ? 1280098;1442720385;mircea_popescu;>D 1280099;1442720433;TomServo;Almost as dramatic. 1280100;1442720434;*;mircea_popescu foresees great cinematic drama, "the brainwallet". where guy gets shot in head, has to recoup his brainwallet. 1280101;1442720459;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'll be something like the film 'memento' 1280102;1442720474;mircea_popescu;mebbe so 1280103;1442720480;asciilifeform;i can picture it. 1280104;1442720507;mircea_popescu;maybe like "beautiful mind" only with better conflict. 1280105;1442720614;TomServo;All this ETH talk, I felt I should mention the waterfall had run dry: http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 1280106;1442720614;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QqQJcI ) 1280107;1442720650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00074635 = 36.5712 BTC [+] 1280108;1442720666;asciilifeform;TomServo: for all we know, it just split into parcels 1280109;1442720698;mircea_popescu;aww. 1280110;1442721262;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you wedged at 367850 ? 1280111;1442721321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170750 @ 0.00073226 = 125.0334 BTC [-] {3} 1280112;1442721433;mircea_popescu;i just managed to reproduce the wedge AGAIN 1280113;1442721832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nein 1280114;1442721853;asciilifeform;375290 and running 1280115;1442721855;mircea_popescu;ProcessBlock: BASTARD BLOCK, prev=0000000000000000094d, DISCARDED 1280116;1442721855;mircea_popescu;ProcessBlock: BASTARD BLOCK, prev=00000000000000000c64, DISCARDED 1280117;1442721855;mircea_popescu;ProcessBlock: BASTARD BLOCK, prev=0000000000000000094d, DISCARDED 1280118;1442721857;mircea_popescu;etc, the works. 1280119;1442721864;mircea_popescu;just like back in the day. 1280120;1442721871;asciilifeform;how long have you sat there ? 1280121;1442721890;*;asciilifeform realized that this question is auto-answerable 1280122;1442721906;mircea_popescu;this install ? about 3 days 1280123;1442721915;asciilifeform;hm does gribble have a block-->epochaltime function ? 1280124;1442721977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who are you pulling from ? 1280125;1442721995;mircea_popescu;the net. 1280126;1442721999;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1280127;1442722031;asciilifeform;yes, nominally the thing is a p2p gadget, this oughta work, no? but in reality, yer cooking with gutter oil 1280128;1442722064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any blackholing observed ? 1280129;1442722105;mircea_popescu;nope. 1280130;1442722118;mircea_popescu;this thing is ever more friable, year after year. 1280131;1442722128;mircea_popescu;but you realise, i am doing this deliberately. 1280132;1442722134;asciilifeform;naturally 1280133;1442722137;asciilifeform;how else. 1280134;1442722174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the most dire flaw, per my current understanding, is that the thing is loathe to discard a peer 1280135;1442722187;asciilifeform;and when it does, ends up selecting a new peer more or less wildly 1280136;1442722203;asciilifeform;(and so simply ends up wasting time spent on reconnecting) 1280137;1442722203;mircea_popescu;at least part of the shitgnome objective ("make it impossible for random derp to run full node") will succeed within less than a year, if not actually successful enough already. 1280138;1442722221;mircea_popescu;we utterly need those pogos deployed already. 1280139;1442722226;mircea_popescu;dicking around with it long enough. 1280140;1442722227;asciilifeform;realize that nobody but us (and the quasi-mythical 'smart miners') are running full nodes now. 1280141;1442722233;mircea_popescu;i do. 1280142;1442722244;asciilifeform;(phoundation's header-first-sync thing is not a node...!) 1280143;1442722297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.0007319 = 24.4089 BTC [-] {3} 1280144;1442722311;asciilifeform;rewinding to, 1280145;1442722312;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1234821 1280146;1442722312;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 13:36:02; asciilifeform: shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind 1280147;1442722356;asciilifeform;pogo is pending on two undone things: 1280148;1442722366;asciilifeform;1) hard-limited, value-weighted tx mempool 1280149;1442722400;asciilifeform;2) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/rss_d1746f76523316edcdc82326213f8953bf6f0d09.png 1280150;1442722401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iFMShs ) 1280151;1442722455;asciilifeform;('2' shows the behaviour of a deterministically-syncing (from disk: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html -- (!!!) node. the block index grows linearly, ~300 byte per block.) this is entirely undigestible on a pogo. 1280152;1442722456;assbot;[BTC-dev] Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmuPH ) 1280153;1442722469;asciilifeform;we can't have the thing occupying the entirety of ram. 1280154;1442722473;asciilifeform;(and then some) 1280155;1442722479;asciilifeform;JUST FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING BLKINDEX 1280156;1442722538;asciilifeform;i put an obscene and prolly unjustifiable amount of sweat into narrowing down the causes of the misery to 1 and 2. 1280157;1442722577;asciilifeform;at one time there was a '3' - glibc-free, static, rom-burnable bitcoind. but we have it now. 1280158;1442722591;asciilifeform;for all the good it did, re: pogo... 1280159;1442722602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39850 @ 0.00073184 = 29.1638 BTC [-] 1280160;1442722679;asciilifeform;btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc. 1280161;1442722712;asciilifeform;useless, garbage number, anyone who claims to have a calculated value for it is lying or utterly illiterate 1280162;1442722724;punkman;asciilifeform: why the sharp dropoff in that picture? 1280163;1442722783;asciilifeform;punkman: it appears to come from liberated ram no longer needed for disk cache 1280164;1442722836;asciilifeform;punkman: later i created a mechanism to measure only consumption from within the process proper, but i did not have time to turn this into a plot. 1280165;1442722863;asciilifeform;punkman: what i ended up doing was manually combing the code for 'what gets eaten but never shat', and found the block index to be the obvious culprit. 1280166;1442723151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87700 @ 0.00073624 = 64.5682 BTC [+] {3} 1280167;1442723274;asciilifeform;i must also remind people that, sadly, these days i do not have anything close to the amount of time and energy needed to properly nail this thing. 1280168;1442723388;asciilifeform;unless i somehow stumble across buried treasure, etc., it will have to be nailed by someone who is not me. 1280169;1442723395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.0007396 = 38.903 BTC [+] {3} 1280170;1442723442;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu ought to get busy teaching his pets cpp 1280171;1442723482;asciilifeform;(either that, or tell me where the buries treazurez are!) 1280172;1442723547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can actually unwedge it. i am satisfied the problem here is a subtle memory issue (not directly related to the bdb locks thing). specifically, to verify block 367851 bitcoind needs a certain amount of CONTIGUOUS memory. but it doesn't know this. 1280173;1442723561;asciilifeform;this is called fragging. 1280174;1442723566;mircea_popescu;the kernel thinks it has memory, the program thinks it was allocated memory, the verification fails and the process cycles indefinitely. 1280175;1442723590;mircea_popescu;if someone new to low level stuff is eager to do some useful spec work, feel free to examine this issue. 1280176;1442723604;mircea_popescu;im pretty certain 367851 is the best block to do it on. 1280177;1442723639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am curious as to the logic of this inference. 1280178;1442723644;asciilifeform;tx-en are verified serially. 1280179;1442723650;mircea_popescu; btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc. << word. not a scalar. 1280180;1442723668;asciilifeform;the scratch space used for the verification is allocated on the stack 1280181;1442723670;mircea_popescu;it's a complex set of required blocks of allocable memory, and the hope that kernel allocates them correctly. 1280182;1442723684;asciilifeform;and freed after each script ver. 1280183;1442723688;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps chief reason we must have bitcoinos. general purpose memory allocation (ie, not bitcoin optimized) is garbage. 1280184;1442723703;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's no logic, just induction. 1280185;1442723716;mircea_popescu;that's why i say someone who has the tools to reason deductively should look at it. 1280186;1442723725;asciilifeform;let's actually do this one 1280187;1442723752;mircea_popescu;the instrumentation you need is userspace with specifiable available memory profile. 1280188;1442723764;mircea_popescu;(ie, this many blocks of this size each) 1280189;1442723818;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think while the txn are verified serially maybe the memory for entire block is allocated somewhere ; haven't actually had someone dig into the code for this angle./ 1280190;1442723826;asciilifeform;it is. 1280191;1442723839;asciilifeform;i have the thing on screen as we speak. 1280192;1442723849;mircea_popescu;this is potentially even leverageable 1280193;1442723867;mircea_popescu;it MIGHT do something dirty silently in that loop 1280194;1442724009;mircea_popescu; utterly illiterate << kids today are used to adding things together. "how many pears do you get adding six ducks to eight nails ?" "14!!!" 1280195;1442724028;asciilifeform;they will program in ada, in hell 1280196;1442724045;mircea_popescu;like they programmed nipples in life aha. 1280197;1442724069;asciilifeform;this is btw a beautiful pun, often exploited, in ru: язык ада == 'the language of hell' 1280198;1442724076;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1280199;1442724592;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 'lxr' is 1001 times more useful than doxygen. can haz both plz ? 1280200;1442724593;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280201;1442724611;asciilifeform;doxygen is RETARDED, it takes actual sweat to so much as link to a specific line of src 1280202;1442724622;asciilifeform;and the file browser, always visible, is mega-annoying 1280203;1442724632;asciilifeform;the thing is graphically spiffy but entirely worthless in practice. 1280204;1442724640;asciilifeform;other than for the flow graphs. 1280205;1442724658;asciilifeform;hence i am stuck using jurov's original. here goes. 1280206;1442724660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1280207;1442724671;mircea_popescu;http://www.businessinsider.com/mans-600000-facebook-ad-disaster-2014-2 unrelated lulz. 1280208;1442724672;assbot;Man's $600,000 Facebook Ad Disaster - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1iFQv72 ) 1280209;1442724672;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0941 << we start verifying block 1280210;1442724673;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1iFQxMh ) 1280211;1442724678;asciilifeform;l0l 1280212;1442724699;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/script.cpp#1188 << verifying a tx sig 1280213;1442724700;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/script.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1iFQC2y ) 1280214;1442724724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bubble butts beckon. i shall return tomorrow! 1280215;1442724732;asciilifeform;laterz. 1280216;1442724798;mod6;asciilifeform: maybe jurov can add another lxr for v0.5.4 when release is official? i actually never use the doxygen one either. 1280217;1442724808;asciilifeform;mod6: the lxr thing is indispensible 1280218;1442724816;mod6;or whenever he gets time i suppose. 1280219;1442724816;asciilifeform;i use it every time i look at the thing at all. 1280220;1442724827;asciilifeform;but seeing rel1 in it gets old, fast. 1280221;1442724840;mod6;me too, if i even use it at all. most of the time i just use an editor. 1280222;1442724845;asciilifeform;i prolly ought to set the thing up on local disk 1280223;1442724852;asciilifeform;editor doesn't give concordance 1280224;1442724894;asciilifeform;(emacs will tell me where a string occurs, sure, but this is pointedly NOT what i want) 1280225;1442724956;mod6;anyway, yeah, i agree. we'll have to get lxr setup for v0.5.4 for sure, and maybe at that time we just drop doxygen or just point at it for the call graphs. 1280226;1442724973;asciilifeform;it doesn't hurt to have it. for the call graphs. 1280227;1442724988;asciilifeform;esp. since nobody ever did the chore, yet, of making a usable wall-sized call graph like i asked for 1280228;1442725017;asciilifeform;(yes, someone did half of it, a btc's worth, but the result is not yet something i can send off to the print house and get a wall poster) 1280229;1442725020;mod6;didnt some guy get paid for a graph, or was that a differnet thing? 1280230;1442725024;mod6;ah. 1280231;1442725026;asciilifeform;this very thing. 1280232;1442725040;asciilifeform;he wrote some code which could, theoretically, be used to make this. 1280233;1442725091;mod6;ok, i see. 1280234;1442725105;mod6;also, fwiw my TEST2 node has block 375296 1280235;1442725106;asciilifeform;'Recently, however, Brar has fallen out of love with Facebook. He discovered as Business Insider reported recently that his Facebook fanbase was becoming polluted with thousands of fake likes from bogus accounts. He can no longer tell the difference between his real fans and the fake ones. Many appear fake because the users have so few friends, are based in developing countries, or have generic profile pictures.' << oh 1280236;1442725106;asciilifeform; noez, he wanted genuine dead souls, not synthetic dead souls !!111111 1280237;1442725121;asciilifeform;mod6: same 1280238;1442725127;asciilifeform;mod6: my box is not wedged. 1280239;1442725957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57575 @ 0.00073346 = 42.229 BTC [-] {2} 1280240;1442725981;cazalla;an anecdote but when i snoop the facebooks of the girls i wanted to bang in high school yet never did, their last posts are usually 2012-2013 1280241;1442726018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15325 @ 0.00073184 = 11.2154 BTC [-] 1280242;1442726051;punkman;;;ud finstagram 1280243;1442726051;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finstagram | Finstagram, finsta for short, is a mixture of Fake & Instagram. People, usually girls , get a second Instagram account along with their real instagrams, rinstagrams, ... 1280244;1442726108;cazalla;what's a fkn rinstagram 1280245;1442726128;cazalla;;;ud rinstagram 1280246;1442726128;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finstagram | Finstagram, finsta for short, is a mixture of Fake & Instagram. People, usually girls , get a second Instagram account along with their real instagrams, rinstagrams, ... 1280247;1442726227;punkman;the fake-name instagram/facebook/etc and the real-name instagram 1280248;1442726231;cazalla;i still don't understand how or why tiny boxed photos with lense flare and filters is more popular than a proper photo.. could normal photos be just as social? 1280249;1442726371;cazalla;perhaps the quality of the photo is meant to match the shitty subject manner 1280250;1442726670;punkman;I suppose 640pixels was all anyone had on their phones when instagram started 1280251;1442726732;punkman;low-res probably helps with the cellulite too 1280252;1442726897;cazalla;somewhat of a paradox.. why buy new iphones each year with over 9000 mega pixels only to down sample.. 1280253;1442726921;cazalla;i've heard "i needed the better camera" quite a few times 1280254;1442727604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87963 @ 0.00073876 = 64.9835 BTC [+] {4} 1280255;1442727665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88050 @ 0.00075445 = 66.4293 BTC [+] {2} 1280256;1442727726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00075736 = 11.9284 BTC [+] {2} 1280257;1442727787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7337 @ 0.00075779 = 5.5599 BTC [+] 1280258;1442730410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109250 @ 0.00074077 = 80.9291 BTC [-] {2} 1280259;1442730776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00073184 = 56.2053 BTC [-] 1280260;1442731630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00075478 = 35.5124 BTC [+] {2} 1280261;1442731691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075779 = 5.2666 BTC [+] 1280262;1442732423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00074883 = 26.5835 BTC [-] 1280263;1442734192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34458 @ 0.00075779 = 26.1119 BTC [+] 1280264;1442734513;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279465 << the reply couldn't be more lulzy if you tried https://archive.is/qXAPE 1280265;1442734513;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 11:17:04; punkman: "During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah 1280266;1442734514;assbot;A Tough Day as Leaders | Symantec Connect Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqZEqL ) 1280267;1442735229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76405 @ 0.00075779 = 57.8989 BTC [+] {2} 1280268;1442735290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8295 @ 0.00075802 = 6.2878 BTC [+] 1280269;1442736815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00075407 = 32.2742 BTC [-] {2} 1280270;1442736937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.0007365 = 50.9658 BTC [-] 1280271;1442738096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0007365 = 19.2963 BTC [-] 1280272;1442738157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21655 @ 0.00073558 = 15.929 BTC [-] 1280273;1442739409;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 15.22276832 BTC on 'No' - BTC to top $700 before November - http://bitbet.us/bet/1179/btc-to-top-700-before-november/#b32 1280274;1442739801;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279862 << Banned as drug precursor 1280275;1442739801;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 22:49:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279839 << i thought betel was banned in usa? or was that khat ? 1280276;1442739811;BingoBoingo;Both of them 1280277;1442739891;BingoBoingo;By the time I was buying TI-92 without the plus 29 including shipping 1280278;1442740231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00074703 = 70.669 BTC [+] 1280279;1442740292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00074307 = 13.5239 BTC [-] 1280280;1442740400;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279967 << Only AMAZING COMPANY ALA LABCOIN here is the retarded pace of UMD and friends. Like... The never jsut tried sending random messages at nodes to see what they do? 1280281;1442740400;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1280282;1442740400;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 00:29:16; pete_dushenski: for a node network n00b, i found the aforejizzed quote quite interesting 1280283;1442740532;BingoBoingo;Actually the part where there is no way for the hub node to be configured such that "hey this -connect node is cool to peer only with me" is a problem 1280284;1442740634;BingoBoingo;Although assume hostile is a useful default attitude I am not sure act hostile is a useful default 1280285;1442740707;BingoBoingo;What coach doesn't ask a player to give it their all in the game? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279985 1280286;1442740707;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 01:50:44; mircea_popescu: i think suicide bombing not only can be but actually is perfectly justified. 1280287;1442740782;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279993 << No, but Mr. Holland's Opus was the worst film ever 1280288;1442740782;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 01:53:14; mircea_popescu: wait, old holland's banned in the us ?! 1280289;1442741319;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280082 << Turns out BIP 101 is less of a thing than huffing ether. No Surprise. 1280290;1442741319;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 03:11:39; mircea_popescu: very instructive comparison, https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ vs https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ 1280291;1442741406;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280100 << Believe it of not this is actually the plot of "'Fallout": New Vegas' 1280292;1442741406;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 03:40:34; *: mircea_popescu foresees great cinematic drama, "the brainwallet". where guy gets shot in head, has to recoup his brainwallet. 1280293;1442741498;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280134 << Have you considered -addnode for a bunch of suspected chicom peers. The ones I ended up committing to bitcoin.conf are lovely 1280294;1442741498;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 04:09:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most dire flaw, per my current understanding, is that the thing is loathe to discard a peer 1280295;1442741781;BingoBoingo;On OpenBSD (non-pogoable) the latest BDB locks fix added ~800MB of memory allocation for bitcoind 1280296;1442741786;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280180 1280297;1442741786;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 04:34:28; asciilifeform: the scratch space used for the verification is allocated on the stack 1280298;1442742000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57065 @ 0.00073334 = 41.848 BTC [-] {3} 1280299;1442742061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3742 @ 0.0007307 = 2.7343 BTC [-] 1280300;1442742976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.0007307 = 12.2392 BTC [-] 1280301;1442743830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61622 @ 0.00073068 = 45.026 BTC [-] {3} 1280302;1442743891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275178 @ 0.00073094 = 201.1386 BTC [+] {2} 1280303;1442743952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00073784 = 48.1072 BTC [+] 1280304;1442744257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66352 @ 0.00075135 = 49.8536 BTC [+] {2} 1280305;1442745211;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 6.35530000 BTC on 'No' - BTC to top $700 before November - http://bitbet.us/bet/1179/btc-to-top-700-before-november/#b33 1280306;1442746209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00073335 = 57.8613 BTC [-] 1280307;1442746277;mircea_popescu;hhhhola 1280308;1442746278;mircea_popescu;! 1280309;1442746382;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280228 << bane of foss. 1280310;1442746382;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 04:56:57; asciilifeform: (yes, someone did half of it, a btc's worth, but the result is not yet something i can send off to the print house and get a wall poster) 1280311;1442746387;mircea_popescu;no closure. 1280312;1442746819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00073335 = 6.0868 BTC [-] 1280313;1442747551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73600 @ 0.00073335 = 53.9746 BTC [-] 1280314;1442747978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126263 @ 0.00073838 = 93.2301 BTC [+] {3} 1280315;1442748321;shinohai;Buenas dias, misfits. 1280316;1442748768;mircea_popescu;bit-coin-expert.com 1280317;1442748776;mircea_popescu;shouldn't it be Bit-coin ? 1280318;1442748828;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280236 << i lolled at "recently' 1280319;1442748828;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: noez, he wanted genuine dead souls, not synthetic dead souls !!111111 1280320;1442748910;mircea_popescu;"A Tough Day as Leaders" wait wut, who's symantec the leaders of. 1280321;1442748937;mircea_popescu;dude everyone in english is a leader. apparently leadees not required. they lead lead. 1280322;1442748970;mircea_popescu;btw check out BingoBoingo and his rand paul bet. well done bb! 1280323;1442749005;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 8.00000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b18 1280324;1442749053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280295 << just about 1 jiggabyte, yeah. 1280325;1442749053;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 09:36:21; BingoBoingo: On OpenBSD (non-pogoable) the latest BDB locks fix added ~800MB of memory allocation for bitcoind 1280326;1442749132;mircea_popescu;and from the retard files : http://upstart.bizjournals.com/entrepreneurs/hot-shots/2015/03/11/is-record-112m-investment-enough-to-turn-bitcoins.html 1280327;1442749133;assbot;Is $116M enough for security expert, Matt Pauker, to save bitcoin with 21 Inc.? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnhmBN ) 1280328;1442749139;mircea_popescu;your pincers is in another castle! 1280329;1442749255;mircea_popescu;in other news, "Mass amnesia in effect in/Bitcoin to downplay AbbyGate. No one remembers her...Who?" 1280330;1442749260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00073335 = 12.1003 BTC [-] 1280331;1442749275;mircea_popescu;buttcoin is upset that apparently nobody in bitcoin reads r/bitcoin or cares about reddit celebritits. 1280332;1442749521;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln71r/abbybitcoin_turns_out_to_not_be_a_fraud_afterall/ << turns out it's teenager lovedramas! 1280333;1442749523;assbot;AbbyBitcoin Turns Out To Not Be A Fraud Afterall : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnhEsl ) 1280334;1442749594;mircea_popescu;(spoiler : boy meets girl at insane asylum. neither is a visitor. she "is an artist". he "is writing a book", about DSM, of course, because what better qualifies one as an expert in the field than being insane.) 1280335;1442749808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00072997 = 40.6593 BTC [-] {5} 1280336;1442750002;shinohai;Such drama. 1280337;1442750034;mircea_popescu;if anyone actually holds some eth and is willing to lend it out... i'm all ears. 1280338;1442750039;mircea_popescu;looking for something up to 100k or so. 1280339;1442750062;mircea_popescu;trinque btw, you actively working on that otc website equiv ? 1280340;1442750112;shinohai;A #bitcoin-assets otc? >>> 1280341;1442750129;mircea_popescu;yea 1280342;1442750174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20964 @ 0.0007298 = 15.2995 BTC [-] 1280343;1442750177;shinohai;That would be awesome if it was tied to btcalpha wot 1280344;1442750195;mircea_popescu;well yes ? 1280345;1442750200;mircea_popescu;how else. 1280346;1442750244;shinohai;certainly not gribble 1280347;1442750360;shinohai;heh ... "Hive wallet failing" Who wants another html5/js wallet? 1280348;1442750592;mircea_popescu;http://www.techtip.org/ 1280349;1442750594;assbot;Techtip | Tech Guides | Software Reviews | Technology Tips ... ( http://bit.ly/1KolFZt ) 1280350;1442750597;mircea_popescu;"Techtip is a popular technology tips blog which aims to make your tech life easy by writing about software reviews, productivity and free web apps." 1280351;1442750602;mircea_popescu;such startups. 1280352;1442751293;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 11.95068863 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b19 1280353;1442752104;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo You were right about sig campaigns - "$1 is important to me" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=425135.msg12468018#msg12468018 1280354;1442752106;assbot;Up to 0.035 BTC weekly for YOUR SIGNATURE *New rules ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZIbPk ) 1280355;1442752106;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280356;1442752553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26819 @ 0.00073501 = 19.7122 BTC [+] 1280357;1442753102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37381 @ 0.00073501 = 27.4754 BTC [+] 1280358;1442754749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21519 @ 0.00074374 = 16.0045 BTC [+] 1280359;1442755120;shinohai;http://etherscan.io/stats/miner?range=1 <<< kek. 1280360;1442755123;assbot;Ethereum Top Miner Stats | EtherScan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NLRW0p ) 1280361;1442756020;mircea_popescu;i thought it's not even mined. 1280362;1442756287;shinohai;mircea_popescu: If you can make any sense of this I *guess* it explains it: https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/197/how-to-help-secure-the-ethereum-network-faq 1280363;1442756289;assbot;How to help secure the Ethereum network FAQ - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1NLSXpo ) 1280364;1442756333;mircea_popescu;"At Frontier, the first release of Ethereum, you'll just need a) a GPU and b) an Ethereum client, Geth. CPU mining will be possible but too inefficient to hold any value. 1280365;1442756334;mircea_popescu;Codename Frontier, the initial live release of Ethereum consist of Geth, the Command Line Interface written in Go, and nothing else. At the moment, Geth only includes a CPU miner, and the team is testing a GPU miner branch, but this won't be part of Frontier." 1280366;1442756341;mircea_popescu;so... which is it ? 1280367;1442756431;mircea_popescu;"The algorithm is memory hard, you'll need at least 1+GB of RAM on each GPU" 1280368;1442756439;mircea_popescu;nigga... say wut ?! 1280369;1442756502;mircea_popescu;GeForce GTX 750 has, iirc, 1gb. 1280370;1442756560;mircea_popescu;for, iirc, 8 cores. 1280371;1442756588;mircea_popescu;anywya, whatevs. 1280372;1442756722;shinohai;Also ... "Do not proceed with this guide using a machine on which you do not feel comfortable losing data, or even hardware. You have been warned - this is EXPERIMENTAL." 1280373;1442757207;shinohai;Kinda reads to me "We need schmucks to test our shit, but don't want to waste money on resources. So you guys do it for us, but don't come crying to us if it borks your pc" 1280374;1442757238;mircea_popescu;eh da fuck you gonna do to a vid card that breaks it. 1280375;1442757250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00073687 = 26.4905 BTC [-] 1280376;1442758398;shinohai;;;later tell danielpbarron Is your node down? 1280377;1442758398;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280378;1442758409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00073241 = 27.0992 BTC [-] 1280379;1442758876;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280374 <<< mine w/ it? ;p 1280380;1442758876;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 13:53:58; mircea_popescu: eh da fuck you gonna do to a vid card that breaks it. 1280381;1442758896;mircea_popescu;lol 1280382;1442758917;nubbins`;i recall decades ago, larratt from bme claimed he'd written a program that'd fry 1st-gen sound blasters 1280383;1442758958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00073687 = 9.8741 BTC [+] 1280384;1442758978;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/william-sears-mun-ranee-panjabi-hearing-accommodation-1.3235523 1280385;1442758980;assbot;MUN prof tells very different story, hard-of-hearing student says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pg64fW ) 1280386;1442759030;nubbins`;^ unrelated 1280387;1442760727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90528 @ 0.00073259 = 66.3199 BTC [-] {4} 1280388;1442760896;danielpbarron;shinohai, unfortunately yes, but I hope to get it back online sometime today 1280389;1442761292;shinohai;thx, I just rebooted and will connect to the one mp posted yesterday. 1280390;1442762008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228576 @ 0.00072972 = 166.7965 BTC [-] {10} 1280391;1442762374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00072817 = 36.991 BTC [-] 1280392;1442764378;danielpbarron;!up analmaster 1280393;1442764386;analmaster;hello ladies 1280394;1442764433;danielpbarron;;;later tell nubbins` my thing is a 'DS' so unless you think that game will also work on it, I'll have to pass on your offer 1280395;1442764433;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280396;1442766156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00073097 = 29.2023 BTC [+] 1280397;1442766344;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, I've been hacking on the buy/sell board this morning over coffee 1280398;1442766350;trinque;should make some decent headway today 1280399;1442766949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1685 @ 0.00073686 = 1.2416 BTC [+] {2} 1280400;1442767010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00073749 = 18.9535 BTC [+] {2} 1280401;1442767254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00072867 = 15.3021 BTC [-] 1280402;1442767803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96950 @ 0.00072827 = 70.6058 BTC [-] {3} 1280403;1442769145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66950 @ 0.00074017 = 49.5544 BTC [+] {3} 1280404;1442769527;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280374 << recall how everything is 'oversold' in the cable modem sense ? where actually ~using~ all of what you paid for, will break it or use it up in record time? well, this. 1280405;1442769527;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 13:53:58; mircea_popescu: eh da fuck you gonna do to a vid card that breaks it. 1280406;1442769535;mircea_popescu;coolness. 1280407;1442769771;*;asciilifeform has been recently carrying out a kind of survey of programming systems ~built for adults~. so far, nominees: common lisp, ada, standard ml. and that's ~it~ 1280408;1442769875;asciilifeform;rough and non-exhaustive summary of what 'for adults' means: 1280409;1442769981;asciilifeform;1) type safety 2) MULTIPLE independent implementations 3) at least two NATIVE compilers exist 4) written international standard, preferably published on dead tree 1280410;1442770020;asciilifeform;under (1) i also include bounds checking and sane error handling 1280411;1442770025;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it. 1280412;1442770037;mircea_popescu;i was hoping for whips and cuffs 1280413;1442770048;asciilifeform;under (3) i also include that native compiler must support unix threading 1280414;1442770054;asciilifeform;(or it is not properly speaking 'native') 1280415;1442770064;asciilifeform;whips and cuffs come with ada 1280416;1442770080;asciilifeform;if your book didn't come with then, get yer money back 1280417;1442770086;asciilifeform;*them 1280418;1442770210;mircea_popescu;lol 1280419;1442770360;asciilifeform;i'd include forth, but it has the 'safety' of a frag grenade. 1280420;1442770398;asciilifeform;(a frag is not a useless thing, has its place where nothing else will do. but only there.) 1280421;1442770479;asciilifeform;i recall there was a thread where mircea_popescu unzipped and pissed on standards, but they are pretty much the only way you get to have (2) and (3) 1280422;1442770508;asciilifeform;!up analmaster 1280423;1442770510;analmaster;yo 1280424;1442770519;analmaster;did you do some mopping asciilifeform 1280425;1442770521;analmaster;moping? 1280426;1442770533;asciilifeform;analmaster: a bit. about to do moar. 1280427;1442770544;asciilifeform;analmaster: and you, for some reason, are rowing the galley today ? 1280428;1442770544;analmaster;https://i.imgflip.com/r8adj.jpg 1280429;1442770546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YrwcKK ) 1280430;1442770549;analmaster;well 1280431;1442770555;analmaster;im trying to do some work for the mines 1280432;1442770781;mircea_popescu;iirc the issue was nist, not "standards" 1280433;1442771036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.00073531 = 28.1991 BTC [-] 1280434;1442771341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21926 @ 0.00074017 = 16.229 BTC [+] {2} 1280435;1442771402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00074116 = 31.0175 BTC [+] 1280436;1442772325;asciilifeform;!up analmaster 1280437;1442772361;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/20/aws_database_outage/ 1280438;1442772362;assbot;AWS knocks Amazon, Netflix, Tinder and IMDb offline in MEGA data collapse • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0hbiL ) 1280439;1442772450;mircea_popescu;aww 1280440;1442772965;shinohai;https://www.myblockchain.xyz/ (-__-) 1280441;1442772966;assbot;myBlockchain is your private blockchain without the blocks or the chains. ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0iEWl ) 1280442;1442772992;shinohai;Looks kinda like, i dunno, mysql. 1280443;1442773003;asciilifeform;tr0l0l0l 1280444;1442773047;punkman;Are you ready for FinTech? Are you ready for exposing yourself to cutting edge technology without spending time to understand how it works? Are you ready for flashing fancy new business cards at congresses, luncheons and breakfast briefings, with pre- and postfixes like bit, crypto, chain, coin, satoshi or block? 1280445;1442773065;shinohai;keks 1280446;1442773072;asciilifeform;'We know that millions of transactions per second can be scary to some, especially banks who still call their customers and require them to fax in documents. In myBlockchain, you can limit the rate of transactions per second by requiring verification by a shamefully underpaid human being in your "back office" in the third world, just like you are used to.' << mega-win 1280447;1442773112;asciilifeform;'Chances are that your bank already forked C++ because they didn't like its open nature, and you now have to pay millions every year to the one guy who knows where all the libraries are.' << ahahahaha this is a thing of beauty 1280448;1442773268;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/09/ulbricht-280-283.pdf << sr trial censored bits will stay censored. 1280449;1442773270;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FVBxhX ) 1280450;1442773270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ 1280451;1442773476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43460 @ 0.00074226 = 32.2586 BTC [+] 1280452;1442774168;kakobrekla;http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/09/texas_electricity_goes_negative_wind_power_was_so_plentiful_one_night_that.html 1280453;1442774169;assbot;Texas electricity goes negative: Wind power was so plentiful one night that producers paid the state to take it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0my1r ) 1280454;1442775763;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/WZ7CgFZ.jpg 1280455;1442775764;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0qIGD ) 1280456;1442775916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22371 @ 0.00074226 = 16.6051 BTC [+] 1280457;1442776526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.0007433 = 26.3872 BTC [+] {3} 1280458;1442777502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26147 @ 0.00074387 = 19.45 BTC [+] {2} 1280459;1442777685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54008 @ 0.00074167 = 40.0561 BTC [-] {5} 1280460;1442778356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074116 = 16.1573 BTC [-] 1280461;1442779271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58723 @ 0.00074116 = 43.5231 BTC [-] 1280462;1442780288;shinohai;http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/16/news/egypt-billionaire-refugee-island/ <<< novel approach to the refugee crisis. 1280463;1442780289;assbot;Egyptian billionaire: I found the island I want to buy for refugees - Sep. 16, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1j0BGfp ) 1280464;1442780796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28997 @ 0.00074388 = 21.5703 BTC [+] 1280465;1442781406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00074142 = 12.3076 BTC [-] 1280466;1442782504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00074334 = 6.1697 BTC [+] 1280467;1442784273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71750 @ 0.00074333 = 53.3339 BTC [-] 1280468;1442785981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57779 @ 0.00074307 = 42.9338 BTC [-] 1280469;1442786051;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SK6HJE.txt 1280470;1442786052;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRxZDW ) 1280471;1442786325;mircea_popescu;soo teh golden goose sold for 15mn 1280472;1442786347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126000 @ 0.00074333 = 93.6596 BTC [+] {5} 1280473;1442786408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44223 @ 0.00074133 = 32.7838 BTC [-] {3} 1280474;1442786469;trinque;one more restart of teh deedbot- and I'm through fiddling with that part. 1280475;1442787445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.0007439 = 23.0981 BTC [+] {4} 1280476;1442787567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66950 @ 0.00074416 = 49.8215 BTC [+] 1280477;1442787872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00074116 = 24.1618 BTC [-] 1280478;1442788360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82642 @ 0.00074519 = 61.584 BTC [+] {3} 1280479;1442788482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8801 @ 0.00074617 = 6.567 BTC [+] 1280480;1442788709;trinque;http://deedbot.org/deed-375387-3.txt << got the unicode snowman to deed 1280481;1442788710;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDOToP ) 1280482;1442789155;cazalla;mircea_popescu, which golden goose? 1280483;1442789292;cazalla;assuming eulora related, seem to recall a trilema post related to some income generating item 1280484;1442789763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00074608 = 20.2188 BTC [-] 1280485;1442790359;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0RFDCSF.txt 1280486;1442790360;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjoNlr ) 1280487;1442790360;deedbot-;imported: 881BD4068628D739CF7E5F35D258F57BC24B4DAD 1280488;1442790401;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/00A978G.txt 1280489;1442790403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjoOWG ) 1280490;1442790413;adlai;... 1280491;1442790421;adlai;... 1280492;1442790429;adlai;... 1280493;1442790485;adlai;trinque: pls 1280494;1442790526;trinque;maybe it's mad that there's both a key and a message in there 1280495;1442790527;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3DRG914.txt 1280496;1442790528;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YsgWgF ) 1280497;1442790528;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1280498;1442790534;adlai;oh, it's two messages 1280499;1442790547;adlai;there's no pgp key block, it's quoted :P 1280500;1442790548;trinque;there's a key at the top 1280501;1442790554;adlai;tis a message. 1280502;1442790559;adlai;pgp is just silly 1280503;1442790567;adlai;and calls a spade a rose 1280504;1442790572;trinque;k then I don't support the format of that yet 1280505;1442790587;trinque;can maybe fiddle with it in a minute and get it to go through 1280506;1442790598;*;adlai races trinque 1280507;1442790752;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3H6RR87.txt 1280508;1442790753;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YshvHy ) 1280509;1442790753;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1280510;1442790793;trinque;oh, that's what I thought, that it was missing the outermost message header 1280511;1442790827;*;adlai would've had the foggiest notion of how to interact with the damn thing if its source were published 1280512;1442791041;trinque;adlai: publishing src runs contrary to forcing people to join this WoT to use it 1280513;1442791044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35722 @ 0.00074608 = 26.6515 BTC [-] 1280514;1442791052;trinque;aside that there's nothing that special going on here. 1280515;1442791092;adlai;!rate trinque -1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227768 waiting for OP to deliver 1280516;1442791092;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/795fb07ddbaaa665 1280517;1442791092;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 16:01:42; trinque: but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one 1280518;1442791095;trinque;eats pubkeys or clearsigned messages, farts bundles and transactions to the address derived from the sha256 of bundle as pubkey 1280519;1442791121;adlai;(isn't this how you accomplish things in the Brave New Economy?) 1280520;1442791141;trinque;decent method of signaling butthurt anyway 1280521;1442791149;adlai;no, that would be !v 1280522;1442791163;mats;i suggest a car blog 1280523;1442791248;adlai;lol @ 'forcing' 1280524;1442791627;trinque;er that's sha256 of bundle as the private key 1280525;1442791642;trinque;adlai: I'm sure you could write this thing in a day 1280526;1442791675;trinque;tenyks was used as the basis, though I've grown to dislike it and will eventually replace 1280527;1442791804;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.rate.deedbot-.2:15fd2fd84ba1e5781dca82a9681f662a00e604f874e27def5cb0d6298d50bdd6 1280528;1442791805;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for deedbot- from 1 to 2 with note: works as described, not as desired 1280529;1442791869;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.rate.trinque.-1:23937d53d0bdb484ce05a81b6eaea7e9917101262b19b8724c0f46d15aa854b8 1280530;1442791869;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to -1 with note: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227768 STILL waiting for OP to deliver 1280531;1442791882;adlai;!down adlai 1280532;1442791935;ben_vulpes;cute 1280533;1442791937;ben_vulpes;;;later tell adlai open source in tmsr~ means a person can ask another person for a copy of the source, and might actually get it 1280534;1442791937;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280535;1442792075;trinque;OP thought over it in the meanwhile and decided to keep it to himself 1280536;1442792440;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.unrate.adlai:de74de9bcd8587e57dff154e4b5b5278c5071cb1a77885a107173d1025b16f59 1280537;1442792440;assbot;Successfully unrated adlai 1280538;1442792916;ben_vulpes;wai u all gotta be so dramatique 1280539;1442793667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00074617 = 26.7875 BTC [+] 1280540;1442793870;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280502 <<< This is the perfect place for someone that perceives pgp as "silly". 1280541;1442793870;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 23:09:19; adlai: pgp is just silly 1280542;1442793884;shinohai;./s 1280543;1442794155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12560 @ 0.0007443 = 9.3484 BTC [-] 1280544;1442794338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61440 @ 0.0007443 = 45.7298 BTC [-] 1280545;1442794837;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 8th October - http://bitbet.us/bet/1202/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b3 1280546;1442794948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17871 @ 0.00074498 = 13.3135 BTC [+] 1280547;1442795192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32097 @ 0.00074634 = 23.9553 BTC [+] {3} 1280548;1442795206;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1280549;1442795207;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 231.95, Best ask: 231.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 231.97, 24 hour volume: 3523.07376493, 24 hour low: 231.4, 24 hour high: 233.38, 24 hour vwap: None 1280550;1442795265;ben_vulpes;whoa 1280551;1442795274;ben_vulpes;log is showing lines that my irc client is not 1280552;1442795300;ben_vulpes;a no, pure derpitude on my part. 1280553;1442795619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00074891 = 12.6191 BTC [+] {3} 1280554;1442796554;mircea_popescu;eh, forcing people do things isn't the best strategy anyway. 1280555;1442796563;mircea_popescu;cazalla eulora item. 1280556;1442796737;*;adlai sighs 1280557;1442796758;adlai;trinque: pls to compare http://deedbot.org/deed-375398-2.txt and http://dpaste.com/3H6RR87.txt 1280558;1442796759;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsI8m2 ) 1280559;1442796760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YshvHy ) 1280560;1442796808;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.unrate.deedbot-:76571928fcc755b2f8a24c1c31b84255cad1497770f9f056a37084e366b73afa 1280561;1442796808;assbot;Successfully unrated deedbot- 1280562;1442796834;mircea_popescu;people anmd their down jones fixation. 1280563;1442796858;adlai;hey it urned us a buck dinnit? 1280564;1442796900;mircea_popescu;trinque other than the silliness of trying to force people to do things, the more general problem with not publishing code is that it creates a world of perverse incentives for one, 1280565;1442796909;mircea_popescu;sooner than later you'll find yourself chasing your tail because of it. 1280566;1442797000;trinque;I'd probably be a lot more willing to shoot the guy a tarball without the antics 1280567;1442797015;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/34TTQ2X.txt 1280568;1442797016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ysy46f ) 1280569;1442797017;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1280570;1442797028;adlai;... well at least it respects revocations! 1280571;1442797049;adlai;!rated trinque 1280572;1442797049;assbot;You rated user trinque on 28-Apr-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: highly educational, taught me not to trust unsigned text: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280535. 1280573;1442797050;mircea_popescu;well that;s kinda people publish it rather than passing it along on a p2p basis. saves them the effort of evaluating everyone's antics. 1280574;1442797058;adlai;trinque: what can i say, drama is a lifestyle 1280575;1442797138;*;adlai wonders what's wrong with 34TTQ2X.txt, curl|gpg eats it just fine 1280576;1442797198;mircea_popescu;prolly the comments. 1280577;1442797233;adlai;you mean the quoted public key block getting interpreted as a valid one? 1280578;1442797235;mircea_popescu;adlai what is your notion of "never" and "another message" anyway. 1280579;1442797242;mircea_popescu;not like pgp has these notions. 1280580;1442797252;mircea_popescu;that, yes. 1280581;1442797270;adlai;those notions are uncontrovertial, neither is "forseen" 1280582;1442797281;adlai;ie, if another message is signed, the key was cracked 1280583;1442797296;adlai;(or dignork asked for a challenge) 1280584;1442797324;mircea_popescu;how do you know if it was signed after or before. 1280585;1442797355;adlai;lolkay, s/sign/deed/ 1280586;1442797364;mircea_popescu;ah. 1280587;1442797371;mircea_popescu;well it makes a difference, it's not obvious at all. 1280588;1442797420;danielpbarron;step 1) sign contract step 2) recieve payment of some sort step 3) revoke key and claim "cracked" when counterparty tries to make an appeal 1280589;1442797446;adlai;idiot counterparty should've deeded it! 1280590;1442797458;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/31CHJZQ.txt 1280591;1442797459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ysz9uI ) 1280592;1442797460;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1280593;1442797463;adlai;ok, progress 1280594;1442797469;mircea_popescu;heh. 1280595;1442797515;trinque;adlai: as for the one with a sig wrapping a sig, I'll have to update the code first. 1280596;1442797702;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/316CXMR.txt 1280597;1442797703;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YszLAA ) 1280598;1442797703;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1280599;1442797709;*;adlai blinks 1280600;1442797717;adlai;trinque: this is rather weird now 1280601;1442797739;*;adlai has another idea... 1280602;1442797749;trinque;nah that one looks right; maybe I busted something earlier. 1280603;1442798163;trinque;adlai: wtf, you revoked that key 1280604;1442798165;trinque;lol 1280605;1442798169;adlai;of course i did. 1280606;1442798173;trinque;and it didn't work. 1280607;1442798190;adlai;free testing is worth what you pay for it! 1280608;1442798213;trinque;truly a professional troll 1280609;1442798242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.000744 = 17.2608 BTC [-] {5} 1280610;1442798362;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3A1RC4V.txt 1280611;1442798363;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsLDsA ) 1280612;1442798363;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1280613;1442798444;adlai;who knew losing backups could be this fun 1280614;1442798557;mircea_popescu;!up probobonobo 1280615;1442798578;mircea_popescu;hey cazalla : i need a noob crafter to make me a tool in eulora, hopefully get some recipe copies. 1280616;1442798584;mircea_popescu;you game to log in in a coupla hours ? 1280617;1442798682;*;adlai scratches head at deedbot- 1280618;1442798694;adlai;this bug is actually far stranger than i can even imagine 1280619;1442798852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00074325 = 31.8111 BTC [-] 1280620;1442798864;trinque;adlai: not really that weird; gpg ignores data outside a header/footer pair 1280621;1442798873;trinque;including a dangling header where the footer is chopped off 1280622;1442798892;trinque;and my regex is currently quite happy to do so for wrapped messages 1280623;1442798923;trinque;fixing atm 1280624;1442798934;*;adlai wonders whether there should be any way to "cancel" a deed 1280625;1442798957;adlai;(before the hourly commitment) 1280626;1442799038;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0H32Y9J.txt 1280627;1442799039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsNcaf ) 1280628;1442799039;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1280629;1442799094;*;adlai blames the long stressful day at the troll mines 1280630;1442799145;adlai;!down adlai 1280631;1442799281;cazalla;mircea_popescu, don't have a client to do so (nuked windows drive with the win ver) 1280632;1442799298;cazalla;and couldn't get it running on ubuntu last i tried 1280633;1442799583;mircea_popescu;ah sucks 1280634;1442799626;cazalla;is http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu current? 1280635;1442799629;assbot;Ubuntu - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6vTgQ ) 1280636;1442799630;mircea_popescu;ye 1280637;1442799636;cazalla;i'll give it a whirl 1280638;1442799676;mircea_popescu;cool cause if i don't manage to get this old screens recipe replicated we're sol without screens. 1280639;1442799685;mircea_popescu;only one in entire game so far. 1280640;1442800560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00074894 = 29.1338 BTC [+] {3} 1280641;1442800702;cazalla;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies 1280642;1442800704;assbot;Teen prosecuted as adult for having naked images – of himself – on phone | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMC0L ) 1280643;1442801087;BingoBoingo;cazalla: That was already covered on qntra a while back 1280644;1442801096;cazalla;same kid? 1280645;1442801124;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1280646;1442801231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00074916 = 19.0661 BTC [+] {3} 1280647;1442801380;cazalla;the fuck is the guardian recycling 3 week old stories for then? (you know, i also read about the ISIS dinar again this morning) 1280648;1442801435;BingoBoingo;Because they have to 1280649;1442802201;cazalla;common malware story so not really qntra worthy but still lulzy http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/townsville-adult-store-blackmailedby-hackers/story-fnii5v6w-1227536627027 "We contacted the police and they told us there was nothing they could do. We contacted the Federal Police and they told us theres nothing they could do either" 1280650;1442802202;assbot;Client risk as hackers blackmail sex shop ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqNYbO ) 1280651;1442802207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00074994 = 35.8846 BTC [+] {3} 1280652;1442802217;deedbot-;[Qntra] Apple App Store Suffers Sustained Attack, Spreads Malware to Customers - http://qntra.net/2015/09/apple-app-store-suffers-sustained-attack-spreads-malware-to-customers/ 1280653;1442802543;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1280654;1442802585;asciilifeform;4GB RAM, SSD drive, the works. 1280655;1442802624;asciilifeform;battery back up, locked room with camera, come and get it motherfuckers 1280656;1442802634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26366 @ 0.00075011 = 19.7774 BTC [+] 1280657;1442802661;BingoBoingo;Beautiful asciilifeform 1280658;1442802766;asciilifeform;Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333 1280659;1442803071;mircea_popescu;win. 1280660;1442803195;asciilifeform;now this is not an ideal box, it is on a 20/5 commercial pipe. 1280661;1442803236;asciilifeform;but it will have to do its duty until there is a fleet of serious iron, somewhere. 1280662;1442803287;asciilifeform;bbl. 1280663;1442803572;mod6;nice, thanks asciilifeform! 1280664;1442804037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075029 = 13.6928 BTC [+] {4} 1280665;1442805989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00075068 = 17.3407 BTC [+] 1280666;1442806626;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 8.27551304 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b20 1280667;1442806739;asciilifeform;full height, 17 connections 1280668;1442806904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00075127 = 36.5117 BTC [+] {4} 1280669;1442806965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074668 = 13.8509 BTC [-] 1280670;1442807199;asciilifeform;;;later tell adlai what was all that about ...? 1280671;1442807199;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280672;1442807244;asciilifeform;!rated adlai 1280673;1442807244;assbot;You have not rated adlai. 1280674;1442807289;asciilifeform;!rate adlai 2 horseman of common lisp robopocalypse 1280675;1442807289;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c95e2aa0fc9ba218 1280676;1442807307;Birdman;Im looking for a staker on swcpoker, here are two graphs showing my statistics there http://imgur.com/MUdjFfc http://imgur.com/8d2EjZw 1280677;1442807308;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KF3yA6 ) 1280678;1442807309;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KF3wrX ) 1280679;1442807324;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.adlai.2:40d46c35ffca536c78fd9ee8b58a1c7337964c9754adb15e2a76a22e582f7944 1280680;1442807324;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for adlai with note: horseman of common lisp robopocalypse 1280681;1442807371;asciilifeform;Birdman: what's a 'staker' ? 1280682;1442807384;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: your naming conventions are lovely 1280683;1442807395;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: which ? 1280684;1442807415;Birdman;Someone to invest the money to bank roll my play for expected profits 1280685;1442807426;ben_vulpes;bucephalus, zoolag, ignatius 1280686;1442807430;asciilifeform;people take investors to play poker now ?!! 1280687;1442807440;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: incitatus 1280688;1442807445;asciilifeform;caligula's horse. 1280689;1442807448;ben_vulpes;Birdman: has swc solved collusion? 1280690;1442807451;*;ben_vulpes bows 1280691;1442807453;asciilifeform;and senator. 1280692;1442807481;ben_vulpes;i need ecc meatram 1280693;1442807495;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have some but don't know where to buy it 1280694;1442807499;asciilifeform;not sure if it is made any more. 1280695;1442807507;ben_vulpes;o.O 1280696;1442807508;ben_vulpes;wat 1280697;1442807521;asciilifeform;aha i think it was .su only product.. 1280698;1442807522;asciilifeform;l0l 1280699;1442807524;ben_vulpes;i dun even b'leev u 1280700;1442807550;Birdman;They are not in the wot and dont use any authentication, though tournaments usually make collusion not profitable 1280701;1442807552;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: familiar with 'caribou mathematics contest'? 1280702;1442807562;asciilifeform;can't say i am 1280703;1442807589;ben_vulpes;Birdman: i'm taking the girl on a cross-state line run, but please tell me later how tournaments make collusion unprofitable 1280704;1442807612;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: came in on the local homeschooling wotwire 1280705;1442807634;asciilifeform;i assume it is an olympiad of one kind or another ? 1280706;1442807639;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1280707;1442807643;*;ben_vulpes off to taunt feds 1280708;1442807727;mircea_popescu;man that eth bet :D 1280709;1442807751;asciilifeform;srsly 1280710;1442807755;mircea_popescu; people take investors to play poker now ?!! << this is older than litecoin. 1280711;1442807771;asciilifeform;why would anyone take this up 1280712;1442807800;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works. 1280713;1442807805;asciilifeform;evidently! 1280714;1442807835;mircea_popescu;nevada casinos gross in the billions. it's a distraction. 1280715;1442807854;asciilifeform;no that part makes sense 1280716;1442807865;asciilifeform;but why would anyone pay some other fella to play poker ~in his stead~ 1280717;1442807883;mircea_popescu;why would someone pay some other fella to fuck his wife in his stead ? 1280718;1442807889;mircea_popescu;if you'll excuse the pon. 1280719;1442807904;asciilifeform;so the equivalent in card game would be... a puckold ? 1280720;1442807908;mircea_popescu;it's a distraction. 1280721;1442807910;mircea_popescu;lol. 1280722;1442807932;asciilifeform;(pockold? cackold?) 1280723;1442807949;mircea_popescu;nono because queen of spades. 1280724;1442808018;asciilifeform;bitcoin-ruby:0.0.6 << l0l 1280725;1442808023;asciilifeform;did not know this existed. 1280726;1442808316;cazalla;Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested? 1280727;1442808348;cazalla;full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down 1280728;1442808357;Birdman;I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me 1280729;1442808376;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ? 1280730;1442808376;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333 1280731;1442808376;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280732;1442808377;mircea_popescu;is this from rounders ? 1280733;1442808384;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lol yeah 1280734;1442808704;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes consider installing a therealbitcoin node in your little shop of horrors ? 1280735;1442808704;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280736;1442808740;asciilifeform;we could very much use more of these sitting on proper commercial wires, with static ip, qos, clean mains power, etc 1280737;1442808817;mircea_popescu;!up vkmc 1280738;1442808858;mircea_popescu;cazalla so didja manage to get it going ? 1280739;1442808930;cazalla;nope 1280740;1442808940;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/046YK9Z.txt at which point i sat and wished i could actually use a computer 1280741;1442808941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WcGYCP ) 1280742;1442809076;cazalla;busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was 1280743;1442809223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15459 @ 0.00074445 = 11.5085 BTC [-] {3} 1280744;1442809466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00075234 = 23.9244 BTC [+] {3} 1280745;1442810219;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/ 1280746;1442810583;mircea_popescu;cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe 1280747;1442810588;mircea_popescu;used multiple windows or who knows what. 1280748;1442810869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-] 1280749;1442811050;mircea_popescu;hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ? 1280750;1442811052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-] 1280751;1442811305;asciilifeform;http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !! 1280752;1442811306;assbot;The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFbBwz ) 1280753;1442811390;mircea_popescu;o.O 1280754;1442811401;mircea_popescu;romanian not really pete's strong language is it ? 1280755;1442811829;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31000 1280756;1442811830;assbot;The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFcQvJ ) 1280757;1442811830;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280758;1442811967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+] 1280759;1442812145;mod6;mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter. 1280760;1442812155;mircea_popescu;ah 1280761;1442812208;mod6;looking for someone with lower rank? 1280762;1442812244;mod6;I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :] 1280763;1442812580;mircea_popescu;:p 1280764;1442812587;mircea_popescu;yeah need someone who's practically a virgin 1280765;1442812628;mod6;ah ok. thanks for checking though. 1280766;1442812720;asciilifeform;zoolag: 54 bucephalus: 19 1280767;1442812858;mircea_popescu;188.68.240.159 got 15 (if we're talking connections) 1280768;1442812929;asciilifeform;this leads me to unpleasant 'we are a parallel universe' line of thought 1280769;1442812971;asciilifeform;how many boxes might we suppose presently exist that are honestly describable as a bitcoin node ? 1280770;1442812993;asciilifeform;i.e. no 'headers-first' or other gavinisms, no ssl or other hearnias, etc 1280771;1442813089;cazalla;mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times 1280772;1442813186;cazalla;seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04 1280773;1442813236;cazalla;can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop 1280774;1442813248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00074411 = 14.0265 BTC [-] 1280775;1442813536;mircea_popescu;aha 1280776;1442813556;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, like a dozen i guess. 1280777;1442813607;mircea_popescu;cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ? 1280778;1442813614;mircea_popescu;sorry, cs not cal3d 1280779;1442813652;cazalla;i wouldn't even know tbh 1280780;1442813666;cazalla;spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language 1280781;1442813705;cazalla;configure.in didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either 1280782;1442813736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+] 1280783;1442813777;cazalla;i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again 1280784;1442816671;punkman;hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks 1280785;1442817762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00074383 = 60.7709 BTC [-] {5} 1280786;1442818190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17243 @ 0.00074694 = 12.8795 BTC [+] {2} 1280787;1442818250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+] 1280788;1442818395;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1280789;1442818399;gribble;Current Blocks: 375438 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1280790;1442818723;cazalla;https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/644971360008011776 1280791;1442820263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7181 @ 0.00074758 = 5.3684 BTC [+] 1280792;1442820568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007435 = 4.3867 BTC [-] 1280793;1442821496;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/ 1280794;1442821497;assbot;URRGH! Evil app WATCHES YOU WATCHING PORN, snaps your grimace • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gFmS3O ) 1280795;1442822581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007435 = 4.1636 BTC [-] 1280796;1442824517;punkman;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-japan-security-idUSKCN0RL08Z20150921 1280797;1442824518;assbot;Support for Japan’s Abe sags after security bills passed| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk9065 ) 1280798;1442824526;punkman;"Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two" 1280799;1442824742;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPX6YVcUAAEMpa7.jpg:large "Life vests left by refugees on Lesbos, Greece" 1280800;1442824743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr4p7X ) 1280801;1442824777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00074333 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {3} 1280802;1442825265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00074758 = 6.3171 BTC [+] 1280803;1442825814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074325 = 36.0476 BTC [-] 1280804;1442826076;punkman;"There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party." 1280805;1442826112;punkman;https://twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/645738919426920448 1280806;1442826241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00074325 = 13.2299 BTC [-] 1280807;1442826299;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPYb1X1W8AAs3ps.jpg:large 1280808;1442826299;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr5GMx ) 1280809;1442827768;fluffypony;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lrjeg/psa_i_end_up_losing_17_on_p2p_lending_sites_after/ 1280810;1442827769;assbot;[PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr76ql ) 1280811;1442827770;fluffypony;that is truly surprising 1280812;1442827772;fluffypony;I'm so surprised 1280813;1442827775;fluffypony;this is my surprised face 1280814;1442827849;mircea_popescu;supa suparised. 1280815;1442827858;mircea_popescu;!up ffmad 1280816;1442828407;shinohai;Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony 1280817;1442828469;punkman;I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year 1280818;1442828695;punkman;"How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic." 1280819;1442828773;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1280820;1442829034;fluffypony;lol 1280821;1442829108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16304 @ 0.00074518 = 12.1494 BTC [+] 1280822;1442829685;cazalla;Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves 1280823;1442829851;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 22.28508574 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b21 1280824;1442829900;mircea_popescu;the fellowsheep of the scamvestor 1280825;1442829921;mircea_popescu;the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc. 1280826;1442829937;mircea_popescu;except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house. 1280827;1442829966;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/quiz-do-you-know-the-basics-of-bitcoin/ <<< For so,e reason I can't see this 1280828;1442829967;assbot;Quiz: Do You Know the Basics of Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd3ons ) 1280829;1442830009;shinohai;21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk. 1280830;1442830032;mircea_popescu;obviously you don't know the basics of webcoin. 1280831;1442830092;cazalla;half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai 1280832;1442830122;cazalla;then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked 1280833;1442830130;shinohai;Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started." 1280834;1442830142;*;cazalla tries again without ublock 1280835;1442830202;fluffypony;how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin? 1280836;1442830266;fluffypony;what a stupid quiz 1280837;1442830277;shinohai;I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better. 1280838;1442830280;cazalla;fluffypony, shut up, i got 10/10 ok, i'm a certified expert now http://i.imgur.com/D5lGwFS.png 1280839;1442830281;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NO6Zqv ) 1280840;1442830288;fluffypony;so did I 1280841;1442830300;fluffypony;and I didn't become a certified anything :-P 1280842;1442830565;mircea_popescu;im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense". 1280843;1442830567;mircea_popescu;ethereum, perhaps. 1280844;1442830570;mircea_popescu;bitcoinxt 1280845;1442830617;mircea_popescu;o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is sabr.io 1280846;1442830633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3} 1280847;1442830660;shinohai;sabr.io is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals. 1280848;1442830677;cazalla;"SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity." 1280849;1442830712;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/startup-sabr-io-could-have-caught-silk-road-founder-in-days/ 1280850;1442830713;assbot;Startup Sabr.io is Helping to Catch Bitcoin's Criminals ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Cio ) 1280851;1442831185;mircea_popescu;hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ? 1280852;1442831225;mircea_popescu;lol could have caught my foot. 1280853;1442831249;mircea_popescu;!up Anduck 1280854;1442831255;mircea_popescu;yo anduck what are you doing these days ? 1280855;1442831267;kakobrekla;!rated Anduck 1280856;1442831267;assbot;You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works.. 1280857;1442831283;mircea_popescu;that, i know. 1280858;1442831287;kakobrekla;k 1280859;1442831348;mircea_popescu;where's vexual when you need him. 1280860;1442831438;shinohai;mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask? 1280861;1442831450;mircea_popescu;deviant art. 1280862;1442831492;shinohai;Kewl. 1280863;1442831498;mircea_popescu;specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me 1280864;1442831519;mircea_popescu;if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well. 1280865;1442831542;mircea_popescu;basically spend all day clicking through deviant art. 1280866;1442831609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-] 1280867;1442831614;shinohai;I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ? 1280868;1442831625;mircea_popescu;of course he can. 1280869;1442831643;mircea_popescu;but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first. 1280870;1442831698;shinohai;xD 1280871;1442831770;mircea_popescu;oh, i thought you meant jason juta, the guy that made the thing http://minigame.bz/splash.png was based off. 1280872;1442831783;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin collage was actually drawn by a chick. 1280873;1442831812;shinohai;http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs17/i/2012/171/b/6/angel_of_death_aka_grim_reaper_by_sinslave-dimt0u.jpg <<< I like this death already. 1280874;1442831813;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6jfR ) 1280875;1442831833;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah 1280876;1442831865;mircea_popescu;actually that one's not half bad. 1280877;1442831867;mircea_popescu;ask the author. 1280878;1442831890;mircea_popescu;tho if you had any sense you'd stick to womenz. 1280879;1442831921;*;shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart 1280880;1442831947;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with sjw ? :D 1280881;1442832006;davout;hello 1280882;1442832017;mircea_popescu;ohai. 1280883;1442832034;davout;"if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains." 1280884;1442832042;mircea_popescu;ONOES 1280885;1442832059;mircea_popescu;how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula. 1280886;1442832061;davout;every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself 1280887;1442832062;mircea_popescu;it's going there anyway. 1280888;1442832073;davout;and digs moar 1280889;1442832076;mircea_popescu;anyway, bbl. 1280890;1442832087;shinohai;I like this one too, and she is Spanish female: http://orig05.deviantart.net/e250/f/2012/314/8/0/angel_of_death_by_maiarcita-d4vfk40.jpg 1280891;1442832088;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6GHl ) 1280892;1442832114;mircea_popescu;shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait. 1280893;1442832116;punkman;here's an artist suggestion http://problemglyphs.org/ 1280894;1442832118;assbot;Problem Glyphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6Iii ) 1280895;1442832222;davout;mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot 1280896;1442832252;davout;also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st... 1280897;1442832634;cazalla;http://joakimericsson.deviantart.com/art/Four-Horsemen-Death-355293920 probably not what you want size wise 1280898;1442832635;assbot;Four Horsemen - Death by JoakimEricsson on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdWyh ) 1280899;1442832748;cazalla;http://orig14.deviantart.net/d84d/f/2013/023/a/1/alone_in_the_wasteland__sacrifice_of_the_innocents_by_joakimericsson-d5sgq5b.jpg 1280900;1442832750;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oped4a ) 1280901;1442833023;jurov;hi davout, i requested x.eur delivery, still not on paymium 1280902;1442833049;jurov;or it's waiting on mircea too? 1280903;1442833648;mircea_popescu;davout ah yes, here you are! ok euroing. 1280904;1442833679;mircea_popescu;you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently! 1280905;1442833680;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/trilema/status/645573044300304384 1280906;1442833731;shinohai;How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the trilema twitter account. 1280907;1442833744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5} 1280908;1442833768;mircea_popescu;because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY 1280909;1442833805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3} 1280910;1442833828;punkman;did she buy a bunch of retweets? 1280911;1442833866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4792 @ 0.00074113 = 3.5515 BTC [-] 1280912;1442834082;danielpbarron;speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived 1280913;1442834162;punkman;pretty good :D 1280914;1442834173;cazalla;sheeit, poor gavin relegated to the edges of the photoshoot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPMCxcjUEAAISNo.jpg:large 1280915;1442834173;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkooiR ) 1280916;1442834208;shinohai;Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he? 1280917;1442834322;cazalla;i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something 1280918;1442834835;mircea_popescu;davout you should be all set. 1280919;1442834854;mircea_popescu;punkman looking at it i guess she must have. 1280920;1442834881;mircea_popescu;which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz. 1280921;1442834928;*;mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric. 1280922;1442834943;punkman;could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets 1280923;1442834943;mircea_popescu;it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental. 1280924;1442834955;mircea_popescu;o you know... damn. 1280925;1442834963;mircea_popescu;so that's what they do on the cellphones all day. 1280926;1442834978;mircea_popescu;!up VariaVarietatis 1280927;1442835048;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what's bae of pigs ? 1280928;1442835076;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280804 1280929;1442835076;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party." 1280930;1442835079;mircea_popescu;cazalla at least he fattened nicely. 1280931;1442835093;mircea_popescu;o 1280932;1442835199;kakobrekla;i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game? 1280933;1442835204;kakobrekla;nodes 1280934;1442835207;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work? 1280935;1442835213;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla except for dulap iirc. 1280936;1442835216;kakobrekla;ok 1280937;1442835241;mircea_popescu;VariaVarietatis peter's company ? 1280938;1442835305;mircea_popescu;anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company. 1280939;1442835319;mircea_popescu;he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn. 1280940;1442835403;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called. 1280941;1442835658;fluffypony;https://twitter.com/ROCLASI/status/645882306163515392 1280942;1442835816;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes 1280943;1442835816;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 04:06:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ? 1280944;1442835817;assbot;the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b ) 1280945;1442835818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074681 = 2.8005 BTC [+] 1280946;1442835940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.00075224 = 16.7825 BTC [+] 1280947;1442836178;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost. 1280948;1442836184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00024109 = 8.4743 BTC [-] 1280949;1442836198;mircea_popescu;he gets no cash. 1280950;1442836203;mircea_popescu;well at least not normally. 1280951;1442836238;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: where does the 200k go? 1280952;1442836259;mircea_popescu;nowhere. 1280953;1442836298;shinohai;thx kakobrekla for making list. 1280954;1442836315;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla missing 188.68.240.159 1280955;1442836343;kakobrekla;which one is that, does it have a name? 1280956;1442836361;mircea_popescu;it's mine. 1280957;1442836373;kakobrekla;ok 1280958;1442836374;mircea_popescu;i never named it. 1280959;1442836379;kakobrekla;you just did 1280960;1442836392;mircea_popescu;whatever.b-a.link ? 1280961;1442836457;kakobrekla;added 1280962;1442836492;mircea_popescu;worx 1280963;1442836507;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in? 1280964;1442836536;mircea_popescu;dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million). 1280965;1442836563;mircea_popescu;so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount. 1280966;1442836802;*;mircea_popescu is bbl. 1280967;1442836984;davout;!up VariaVarietatis 1280968;1442837032;davout;VariaVarietatis: when it's said peter owns 20% of the million after the deal, he owns it indirectly through richard's company that owns 1mn, he now owns 20% of 1280969;1442837556;VariaVarietatis;davout: think got it. was getting mixed up thinking only 800k went in 1280970;1442837564;davout; /r/buttcoin seems slightly butthurt about this jstolfi leaving situation... https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3log4j/ujstolfi_goes_the_way_of_whollyhemp_after_death/cv8bzkr?context=3 1280971;1442837565;assbot;davout-bc comments on /u/jstolfi goes the way of whollyhemp after death threats from scientologists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkvIuB ) 1280972;1442837572;VariaVarietatis;but discount comes from owning it after the money is already in. 1280973;1442837601;davout;VariaVarietatis: to me it's just a confusing way of saying exactly the same thing 1280974;1442838173;funkenstein_;Them footnotes made me think for a moment Ted Nelson's vision is finally springing to life :) 1280975;1442838324;funkenstein_;good morning WoT cattle *tips hat* 1280976;1442838502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35790 @ 0.00075224 = 26.9227 BTC [+] 1280977;1442839295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00074113 = 21.3445 BTC [-] {2} 1280978;1442839600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00074016 = 29.1623 BTC [-] {3} 1280979;1442840637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00074002 = 9.7653 BTC [-] 1280980;1442841064;davout;jurov: is mpex dead for you too? (empty stats) 1280981;1442842613;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.04307875 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 8th October - http://bitbet.us/bet/1202/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b7 1280982;1442842778;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280942 << nope. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-09-2015#1277110 1280983;1442842778;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 11:43:36; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes 1280984;1442842778;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 00:37:40; asciilifeform: over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333. 1280985;1442842779;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1280986;1442842924;kakobrekla;fixed 1280987;1442842928;asciilifeform;ty 1280988;1442842995;asciilifeform;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << frightfully out of date, prolly ought to be zapped 1280989;1442842996;assbot;0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuoDJM ) 1280990;1442843172;kakobrekla;done 1280991;1442843199;jurov;davout: don't see it (but yes, happens) 1280992;1442843335;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: is there a link to therealbitcoin.org in there ? 1280993;1442843388;kakobrekla;search says no. 1280994;1442843560;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt 1280995;1442843561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KupUk9 ) 1280996;1442843561;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu if you are running the item described in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269180 this would handily explain why your node is so easily wedged. it lacks the db locks fix (and, on top of this, still stores fucking orphan tx, even) 1280997;1442843561;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 02:07:13; mircea_popescu: hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing 1280998;1442843561;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1280999;1442843561;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1281000;1442843687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00074278 = 26.5172 BTC [+] 1281001;1442843870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00074002 = 24.6797 BTC [-] 1281002;1442844053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00074459 = 30.7516 BTC [+] {3} 1281003;1442844212;asciilifeform;from the l0lfarmz: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/us/politics/george-w-bush-made-retroactive-nsa-fix-after-hospital-room-showdown.html 1281004;1442844215;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kurxyk ) 1281005;1442844371;asciilifeform;'Doxycycline, an antibiotic, went from $20 a bottle in October 2013 to $1,849 by April 2014, according to the two lawmakers.' 1281006;1442844381;asciilifeform;(from same fishwrap, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/business/a-huge-overnight-increase-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html ) 1281007;1442844384;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KurX7R ) 1281008;1442844513;asciilifeform;'This is not the first time the 32-year-old Mr. Shkreli, who has a reputation for both brilliance and brashness, has been the center of controversy. He started MSMB Capital, a hedge fund company, in his 20s and drew attention for urging the Food and Drug Administration not to approve certain drugs made by companies whose stock he was shorting.' << mega-l0l 1281009;1442844838;asciilifeform;nothing like an inherited wealth vermin 1281010;1442845334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109650 @ 0.00073919 = 81.0522 BTC [-] {5} 1281011;1442845700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40207 @ 0.00073853 = 29.6941 BTC [-] {2} 1281012;1442845911;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280751 << well ya, and aristotle's nicomachean ethics was more readable in greek. so what ? not like translations are targeted at readers of the tongue of the original. this article is for pretty much anyone who isn't stan, mp, or hanbot :) 1281013;1442845911;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 04:55:05; asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !! 1281014;1442845956;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: also, http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31039 1281015;1442845958;assbot;The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kuwc3k ) 1281016;1442846113;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280754 << it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS 1281017;1442846113;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 04:56:41; mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ? 1281018;1442846162;pete_dushenski;it's like trying to read straight torah right out of the scrolls without ever having seen a layperson's text that distinguishing 'bet' from 'vet' 1281019;1442846209;pete_dushenski;in other news, http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/20/us-health-dementia-idUSKCN0RK15220150920 1281020;1442846209;assbot;A third of Britons born in 2015 will develop dementia: study| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuwQh2 ) 1281021;1442846262;pete_dushenski;see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree. 1281022;1442846920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00073791 = 18.4846 BTC [-] {3} 1281023;1442847408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0007376 = 12.7605 BTC [-] 1281024;1442847437;pete_dushenski;http://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20150919/54436644972/mas-colell-espana-obligada-pagar-pensiones-catalunya-independiente.html << bahaha. o man, wtf does 'la independencia 1281025;1442847438;assbot;Mas-Colell dice que España está obligada a pagar las pensiones ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuAk39 ) 1281026;1442847448;pete_dushenski;' mean to the people ? 1281027;1442848070;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/21/amazon_medical_gaffe/ 1281028;1442848071;assbot;Techie finds 1.5 MEELLION US medical records exposed on AWS • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuBY54 ) 1281029;1442848079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0007487 = 11.3428 BTC [+] {3} 1281030;1442848507;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280793 << since details are so utterly lacking on 'el reg' >> http://research.zscaler.com/2015/09/more-adult-themed-android-ransomware.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zscaler%2Fresearch+%28Zscaler+Research%29 1281031;1442848507;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 07:44:56; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/ 1281032;1442848508;assbot;Zscaler Research: More Adult Themed Android Ransomware ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuDm7B ) 1281033;1442848566;pete_dushenski;naturally, it uses paypal 1281034;1442848567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075235 = 9.3291 BTC [+] 1281035;1442849129;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1281036;1442849289;pete_dushenski;"AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple." 1281037;1442849425;pete_dushenski;and in still other news, "Apple has published a workaround after some iPhone and iPad users were left stranded in the middle of the iOS 9 update process. The Cupertino giant has acknowledged multiple complaints that devices were unable to progress past the "Slide to Upgrade" screen when moving to the latest version of iOS. Apple's remedy: wipe your device and hope you made a backup." 1281038;1442849680;gernika;And this is actually ok because the contents of their devices is *worthless*. 1281039;1442849705;pete_dushenski;perhaps objectively 1281040;1442850824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00073954 = 6.434 BTC [-] 1281041;1442851007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00073732 = 18.5008 BTC [-] {4} 1281042;1442852019;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1281043;1442852065;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller 1281044;1442852095;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd opteron is the single most precarious 'strategic good' in my particular household (can't speak for others) 1281045;1442852095;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple." 1281046;1442852161;ascii_field;the one and only workstation-class chip that will run 100% blobless 1281047;1442852307;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag 1281048;1442852307;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 14:37:42; pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree. 1281049;1442852374;thestringpuller;been syncing blockchain on essentially raspberry pi for 33 days and 1 hour 1281050;1442852390;ascii_field;raspi is an astonishing piece of shit 1281051;1442852404;thestringpuller;It's not a raspi just in terms of power it's about a rasbpi 1281052;1442852413;thestringpuller;it's a VPS but it's smallest footprint size 1281053;1442852518;thestringpuller;even so it's going to cost about 80 bucks to sync a full blockchain from zulag or dulap - genesis to current. 1281054;1442852524;thestringpuller;at the very least* 1281055;1442852532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00073579 = 58.017 BTC [-] {3} 1281056;1442852566;ascii_field;thestringpuller: -connect ? 1281057;1442852573;thestringpuller;yes with -connect 1281058;1442852595;ascii_field;ftr i don't get the point of running a node on vps 1281059;1442852635;thestringpuller;better internet. 1281060;1442852670;thestringpuller;i.e. more uptime, not all of us have business internet in our houses :P 1281061;1442852678;ascii_field;it is rather like 'all you can eat soup' but with no spoon and your hands tied behind your back. 1281062;1442852700;thestringpuller;who cares if I have to eat like a dog for a single sync 1281063;1442852705;thestringpuller;at least I have valid blockchain :P 1281064;1442852718;thestringpuller;i.e. soup won't be poisoned 1281065;1442852728;ascii_field;and you know this how ? 1281066;1442852778;thestringpuller;VPS can magically change running code and storage? dis VPS skynet now? 1281067;1442852796;ascii_field;nothing magic about it 1281068;1442852807;thestringpuller;If VPS is magically changing blockchain the client would wedge which it has not... 1281069;1442852874;ascii_field;does not follow. 1281070;1442852898;thestringpuller;this magical attack vector doesn't seem feasible 1281071;1442852917;thestringpuller;to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks... 1281072;1442852942;ascii_field;how often your machine validates ancient blocks ? 1281073;1442852948;BingoBoingo;^ 1281074;1442852959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00075235 = 26.7837 BTC [+] 1281075;1442852970;ascii_field;(if you think this happens on boot, you are mistaken - read the source.) 1281076;1442852994;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Someone else runs the real machine your "virtual machine" runs on 1281077;1442853034;thestringpuller;ascii_field: I will find out when I do --validate on the blocks on my local machine. 1281078;1442853045;thestringpuller;there is more science to be done to minimize risk 1281079;1442853155;ascii_field;validate ? 1281080;1442853211;thestringpuller;tis a joke 1281081;1442853332;thestringpuller;the actual command is -checkblocks=0 no? (check all blocks on startup) 1281082;1442853457;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0587 1281083;1442853459;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/db.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmf1nr ) 1281084;1442853508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00075235 = 6.0188 BTC [+] 1281085;1442853742;thestringpuller;ascii_field: so it doesn't actually validate all the blocks? if I'm reading correctly it goes through all blocks in "best chain" if checkblocks is selected... 1281086;1442853803;ascii_field;aha 1281087;1442853862;thestringpuller;am i close? (that's what she said) 1281088;1442853868;ascii_field;close 1281089;1442854000;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1281090;1442854004;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller 1281091;1442854115;thestringpuller;i guess I don't fully grok ascii_field 1281092;1442854121;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu lulzy: urbit's bastard gossipd: http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#a-ames-networking 1281093;1442854126;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1281094;1442854138;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu their bastard 'v' : http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#c-clay-filesystem 1281095;1442854140;assbot;Tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmg4nc ) 1281096;1442854140;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1281097;1442854198;ascii_field;'%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us. 1281098;1442854259;ascii_field;'With this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching to try this yet ? 1281099;1442854345;ascii_field;'A sufficiently smart optimizer doesn't need to optimize every Nock formula that could calculate a decrement function. It only needs to optimize one: the one we actually run. The only one we run is the one compiled from the decrement function ++dec in the Hoon standard library. So there's no sense in which our sufficiently smart optimizer needs to analyze Nock formulas to see if they're decrement formulas. It only needs 1281100;1442854346;ascii_field;to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha. 1281101;1442854348;ascii_field;same old. 1281102;1442854386;ascii_field;'... And jets do not have to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.' 1281103;1442854388;ascii_field;srsly??!!! 1281104;1442854413;ascii_field;'let's run same old idiot c-machine but with sprinkle of haskell on top for flavour' 1281105;1442854498;ascii_field;'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom') 1281106;1442854529;ascii_field;i suppose destroyers and frigates were too right-wing yet, for the new mr mold 1281107;1442854554;ascii_field;somehow it has to be more 'neutral flavour' while yet more megalomaniacal. hence stellar objects. 1281108;1442854646;ascii_field;ok this is precious, 1281109;1442854647;ascii_field;'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.' 1281110;1442854655;ascii_field;'For instance, bitcoin prevents double-spending with global mining costs in multiple dollars per transaction (as of 2015). Trusted transaction intermediation is an easily implemented service whose cost is a tiny fraction of this. And the transaction velocity of money is high; transactions in land are far more rare.' 1281111;1442854698;*;ascii_field has had enough for one sitting. 1281112;1442854722;thestringpuller;ascii_field: don't want you to have a stroke now... 1281113;1442854769;ascii_field;i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions 1281114;1442854786;ascii_field;because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not. 1281115;1442855180;ascii_field;'In February 2003, the FBI assigned a team of FBI personnel --- "Team 10" -- to work full-time at the NSA to manage the FBI's participation in the program. Team 10's primary responsiblity was to disseminate PSP information through [censored] ECs to FBI field offices for investigative or other purposes. However, over time, Team 10 began to participate in the PSP in other ways. For example, Team 10 occasionally submitted 1281116;1442855180;ascii_field;telephone numbers and Internet communications addresses to the NSA to be searched against the bulk metadata collected under the PSP...' 1281117;1442855185;ascii_field;^ l0ltr0nic 1281118;1442855221;ascii_field;(from earlier link, https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nsa-stellarwind-ig-nyt-15-0919.pdf -- official release! the parallel construction thing is not even an official secret any longer.) 1281119;1442855858;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1281120;1442855862;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller 1281121;1442856253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00075235 = 17.0407 BTC [+] 1281122;1442857368;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bet-over-ethereums-survival-rockets-past-100-btc-in-wagers/ 1281123;1442857398;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: Etheruem ? 1281124;1442857412;BingoBoingo;fuck 1281125;1442857433;BingoBoingo;How is it actually spelled? 1281126;1442857448;ascii_field;like in the title iirc 1281127;1442857499;BingoBoingo;fixed 1281128;1442858009;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1281129;1442859023;shinohai;!s https://medium.com/quantum-bits/break-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870 1281130;1442859029;assbot;Break RSA encryption with this one weird trick — Quantum Bits — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkJZwA ) 1281131;1442859030;assbot;0 results for 'https://medium.com/quantum-bits/break-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Fquantum-bits%2Fbreak-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870 1281132;1442859082;ascii_field;shor is old nyoo 1281133;1442859083;ascii_field;z 1281134;1442859091;ascii_field;go, build. 1281135;1442859216;shinohai;I found it to be a mealy-mouth article. Was wondering if it had been discussed and I missed those bits. 1281136;1442859287;ascii_field;!s rsa pill 1281137;1442859288;assbot;9 results for 'rsa pill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+pill 1281138;1442859291;ascii_field;^ see logz 1281139;1442859372;ascii_field;phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring. 1281140;1442859383;ascii_field;merely conjecture. 1281141;1442859578;BingoBoingo;Oh https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3ltxhd/bet_over_ethereums_survival_rockets_past_100_btc/ 1281142;1442859579;assbot;Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkLnzs ) 1281143;1442859730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00074013 = 13.5444 BTC [-] 1281144;1442859735;shinohai;^ kek 1281145;1442859930;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1281146;1442860218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00074013 = 3.3306 BTC [-] 1281147;1442860426;phf;it's interesting to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so traditional as a text blob parser? seems like an opportunity to showcase your language's text manipulation facilities, etc. 1281148;1442860467;ascii_field;i am not sure about the political, but on technical questions it was DOA 1281149;1442860499;ascii_field;(mr mold's 2010 notes are still up, http://moronlab.blogspot.com - decide for yourself) 1281150;1442860500;assbot;Moron Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvZesU ) 1281151;1442860798;phf;on technical merits i thought it was kind of like if evola fans started writing their own operating system in INTERCAL (with apologies to don woods) hosted on top of brainfuck vm, a dadaist project where impracticality and absurd were the main driving force behind decisions. the reality turned out to be a lot more banal 1281152;1442860815;ascii_field;not far from the facts though. 1281153;1442860857;ascii_field;i followed the project for years largely on account of NOBODY-else-is-pissing-on-backwards-compat 1281154;1442860980;HeySteve;BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that 1281155;1442861298;phf;i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself.. 1281156;1442861329;phf;*the only member remaining 1281157;1442861499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00075136 = 22.8413 BTC [+] {3} 1281158;1442861682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00074013 = 10.3574 BTC [-] 1281159;1442861957;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1281160;1442861987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26094 @ 0.00073588 = 19.2021 BTC [-] 1281161;1442862421;jurov;!up King_Rex 1281162;1442862452;*;jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinken 1281163;1442862652;phf;ascii_field: what'd you think of quality of lisp in "land of lisp"? 1281164;1442862672;ascii_field;good book for a kid 1281165;1442862861;phf;i did technical review for it, which was pretty stressful. barsky is a poliglot and writes with a lot of grahamisms, so i rewrote a lot of bits to make them more "common lisp", though i don't think i fully reached that goal 1281166;1442862875;ascii_field;it is a spiffy book 1281167;1442863071;phf;yeah, we bonded over the need for more books that are kind of like "writing games in basic" on one hand, but use sensible technologies 1281168;1442863180;phf;fits in head™ 1281169;1442863852;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1281170;1442864191;lobbes;jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinke << kein Käse? 1281171;1442864366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14521 @ 0.00073933 = 10.7358 BTC [+] 1281172;1442864795;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that << Thank you 1281173;1442864976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00075202 = 21.8469 BTC [+] {3} 1281174;1442865747;jurov;Rex mag kein Käse. 1281175;1442865769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00075165 = 16.6115 BTC [-] 1281176;1442866074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16739 @ 0.0007404 = 12.3936 BTC [-] {3} 1281177;1442866225;BingoBoingo;!up King_Rex 1281178;1442866228;BingoBoingo;!Up ascii_field 1281179;1442866257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25011 @ 0.00073705 = 18.4344 BTC [-] 1281180;1442866861;BingoBoingo;Lol ascii_field USG has its own pogo now too https://archive.is/zDd5y 1281181;1442866862;assbot;21 Inc Announces 'Bitcoin Computer' for Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wec5hk ) 1281182;1442866884;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: they had a shitpogo earlier 1281183;1442866899;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: This is a newer stinkier shit pogo 1281184;1442866925;BingoBoingo;Difference appears to be mouse shit versus moose shit 1281185;1442866931;ascii_field;these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they. 1281186;1442866949;BingoBoingo;"The product will include a Wi-Fi adapter, RPi 2, power supply, USB-to-laptop cable and 128GB SD card, and come equipped with a "factory-installed" copy of the blockchain. It is not known how much hashing power the miner generates." 1281187;1442866950;BingoBoingo;Yes 1281188;1442866977;BingoBoingo;"The reason you can do these things so quickly is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer includes a built-in 21 mining chip (so you can easily buy things for bitcoin)" 1281189;1442867005;ascii_field;all hail the gavincoin asics 1281190;1442867014;ascii_field;includes hearniated client for phree! 1281191;1442867034;BingoBoingo;"factory-isntall"Chain 1281192;1442867050;ascii_field;aha. how else. 1281193;1442867092;BingoBoingo;The 128 GB SD card is prolly not going to last that long 1281194;1442867093;jurov;they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card 1281195;1442867103;jurov;not even 1M one 1281196;1442867103;ascii_field;who said anything about validation 1281197;1442867112;ascii_field;or rather, 'validation' to these folks means something quite else 1281198;1442867113;BingoBoingo;No need to validate, Factory installed 1281199;1442867117;ascii_field;'zap terrorist transactions' 1281200;1442867165;BingoBoingo;!up psztorc 1281201;1442867180;BingoBoingo;!up ShawnLeary 1281202;1442867238;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller 1281203;1442867242;thestringpuller;ascii_field: https://21.co/ << prepare to have seizure 1281204;1442867258;thestringpuller;oh you are lolling over it already 1281205;1442867269;ascii_field;looks like a snorefest so far 1281206;1442867283;thestringpuller;all this VC money is just being flushed down the toilet 1281207;1442867308;thestringpuller;You'd be better off wiping your ass with alpaca socks than buying into this nonsense. 1281208;1442867326;ascii_field;thestringpuller: this is just usg's answer to 'china refuses to mine gavincoin or run hearnia client' 1281209;1442867336;shinohai;So what does that thing do that a pogo can't ? 1281210;1442867348;ascii_field;take compulsory remote updates from usg ? 1281211;1442867353;shinohai;hue 1281212;1442867368;ascii_field;mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ? 1281213;1442867386;thestringpuller;ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ? << srsly. it's backed by Cisco aka Spookware Incorporated. 1281214;1442867391;thestringpuller;Who could ever trust this device... 1281215;1442867394;ascii_field;'Yes, you can indeed make a profit with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. However, you would do so not by directly selling bitcoin, but by selling digital goods for bitcoin. That is, you are not going to get rich by immediately selling the bitcoin mined by the device for offline currency, but you can potentially do very well by selling digital goods and services to others for their bitcoin. ' << hilarious. worth a read, for the lulz 1281216;1442867395;phf;it's got an obligatory "connected to macbook pro" picture for one 1281217;1442867423;ascii_field;'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit' 1281218;1442867458;ascii_field;'your margins on bitcoin earned by selling digital goods and services with the 21 Bitcoin Computer are likely going to be much better than your margins from bitcoin mined with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. That is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer allows you to use bitcoin as a true digital currency for taking worldwide payment for your APIs. The mined bitcoin just provides continuous liquidity into the system. ' 1281219;1442867467;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058 <<< TradeFortress banned for mentioning theymos' dox ? 1281220;1442867469;assbot;View the profile of Tf | Banned for mentioning theymo.s dox ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wedep1 ) 1281221;1442867470;ascii_field;i lack the lsd to properly grasp what is being spoken of here. 1281222;1442867503;thestringpuller;ascii_field: they are trying to use mining as a way to hedge your investment by giving you access to inflation as you sell shit for btc. 1281223;1442867535;shinohai;How is that thing going to mine ANY appreciable mount of btc 1281224;1442867539;thestringpuller;I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners 1281225;1442867573;phf;ascii_field: i think it's just written for "guy on a street" layman. "no you can't mine bitcoins anymore, because it's totally unprofitable without a giant asic farm, but you can use this thing to buy and sell bitcoins" 1281226;1442867602;shinohai;Like, you know, a *regular bitcoin client* 1281227;1442867603;ascii_field;at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day. 1281228;1442867618;phf;i.e. target audience is rpi crowd with no unix, bitcoin, etc. experience. see also "maker" thread 1281229;1442867639;thestringpuller;yea. so you get 0.0012 btc/day, and while you sell shit with the computer it kinda buffers it. 1281230;1442867657;thestringpuller;basically they are hedging on you selling shit for btc to make it pay for the computer which is fucktarded. 1281231;1442867660;ascii_field;even for a scam, this stretches the bounds of the plausible 1281232;1442867666;thestringpuller;no point in including an asic 1281233;1442867681;ascii_field;sell ~what~ with it 1281234;1442867689;thestringpuller;Your API's man! 1281235;1442867700;ascii_field;and what happened to the fucking light bulb 1281236;1442867706;ascii_field;now ~that~ was a quality chumpatron 1281237;1442867711;thestringpuller;So you can post naked pix to instagram through snapchat using twitter and facebook 1281238;1442867729;thestringpuller;and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it! 1281239;1442867734;thestringpuller;REVOLUTIONARY MAN 1281240;1442867739;thestringpuller;you just don't understand innovation ascii_field 1281241;1442867752;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lucwl/21co_website_has_just_been_updated_introducing/cv9do2i 1281242;1442867754;assbot;Naviers_Stoked comments on 21.co website has just been updated: "Introducing the first bitcoin computer" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM0Iek ) 1281243;1442867754;ascii_field;if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it 1281244;1442867808;ascii_field;the hidden functionality of this thing ought to be an entertaining lulzmine 1281245;1442867826;phf;ascii_field: you're too sane, to comprehend this madness. the way stupid thinks in this case, "want to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware to make it seem like useful hardware." of course they don't have enough sense to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going to mine anything for anybody, hence the dodgy justification code. 1281246;1442867853;phf;*justification text 1281247;1442867915;trinque;that's a raspberry pi 1281248;1442867978;ascii_field;http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91aUgUqFTIL._SL1500_.jpg << daughterboard separate. middle of photo 1281249;1442867980;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1c3U ) 1281250;1442868000;ascii_field;presumably - the miner. 1281251;1442868014;trinque;yup 1281252;1442868078;trinque;raised 121.1M according to crunchbase 1281253;1442868084;ascii_field;apparently they have a bastardized wot as well. 1281254;1442868090;trinque;!up ascii_field 1281255;1442868096;ascii_field;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page. 1281256;1442868098;assbot;Amazon.com: The 21 Bitcoin Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1qrM ) 1281257;1442868117;cazalla;FAQ sorta conflicts with the idea of making money with this thing by selling goods.. "we think payment in BTC is not as big an improvement at the present time over standard ways to purchase macroscopic physical goods." 1281258;1442868131;ascii_field;https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << knockoff of 'otc', sort-of. 1281259;1442868131;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx ) 1281260;1442868173;phf;https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc3b.jpg 1281261;1442868174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeI2C ) 1281262;1442868197;thestringpuller;125mn for this piece of shit? 1281263;1442868208;thestringpuller;125mn invested to produce this piece of shit* 1281264;1442868223;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard 1281265;1442868223;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:24:53; jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card 1281266;1442868259;phf;https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc8d._SR1062,670_.jpg << note that the tag on asic seems to be blurred, compared to very readable labels all around it 1281267;1442868260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1Sq1 ) 1281268;1442868262;mike_c;they're pushing micropayments, not buy a $400 hunk of silicon. 1281269;1442868277;ascii_field;mike_c: also pushing a usgized wot knockoff 1281270;1442868279;ascii_field;and otc knockoff 1281271;1442868302;mike_c;yeah.. the whole "not a mining pool" thing is weird 1281272;1442868335;ascii_field;incidentally, i would not be the least bit astonished if the miner die contains a second, inactive circuit for an alternative workfunction 1281273;1442868343;ascii_field;when usgcoin proper comes online. 1281274;1442868383;ascii_field;the laughable hash rate will not matter ~then~. 1281275;1442868429;mike_c;what was it, 140 ghs? 1281276;1442868471;mike_c;ah, 50-125 1281277;1442868476;mike_c;quite a range 1281278;1442868497;ascii_field;aha, from reject pile at ft meade 1281279;1442868534;ascii_field;(what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!) 1281280;1442868567;ascii_field;so, to round off this hypothesis, 1281281;1442868571;mike_c;maybe it's power dependant? 1281282;1442868573;ascii_field;thing has an antifuse bridge inside 1281283;1442868575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0007392 = 23.9501 BTC [+] 1281284;1442868583;ascii_field;that will be blown by a future 'mandatory update' 1281285;1442868587;mike_c;x volts = 50, y volts = 125? 1281286;1442868590;ascii_field;permanently turning it into a usgcoin miner. 1281287;1442868620;ascii_field;(useless for any other purpose, and, importantly, specifically nonfunctional for conventional bitcoin) 1281288;1442868702;ascii_field;this will be hailed as a great leap forward by the redditard crowd, because difficulty in this altcoin will initially be very low, making their 50-125 appear to 'count for something' 1281289;1442868786;mike_c;well, can't say that i'll be blowing 2 btc on it any time soon. 1281290;1442868822;ascii_field;if my hypothesis is correct AND the makers have half a brain, there is nothing to be learned from buying the board presently. unless you have access to electron microscope. 1281291;1442868838;mike_c;weren't you building one of those in your garage? 1281292;1442868846;ascii_field;nope 1281293;1442868855;ascii_field;i don't even have a garage. 1281294;1442868865;mike_c;ah, first the pick and place, then the electron microscope :) 1281295;1442868883;cazalla;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/ "Mr. Horowitz compared the potential of this computer to early web browsers and his time helping build Netscape back in the 1990s." 1281296;1442868884;assbot;21 Inc. Releases First Product, a ‘Bitcoin Computer’ - MoneyBeat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3hgp ) 1281297;1442868912;ascii_field;cazalla: see log 1281298;1442868964;cazalla;posted link as it contains some quotes, that's all 1281299;1442868985;phf;(usg agents reading the logs, "ascii always have some good ideas for us") 1281300;1442869013;trinque;"If I find fifty righteous people in Silicon Valley, I will spare the whole place for their sake." 1281301;1442869027;ascii_field;phf: the light bulb miner iirc was suggested here. 1281302;1442869056;mike_c;speaking of new hardware, how goes routing ascii_field? 1281303;1442869064;cazalla;not to mention the fact bitbeat has been used to push all manner of scams 1281304;1442869064;ascii_field;mike_c: very very slowly. 1281305;1442869065;BingoBoingo;63 GH/s and $56 https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141017110427977rQGR3pcf06BE 1281306;1442869068;assbot;BITMAIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3FLN ) 1281307;1442869098;mike_c;ugh. maybe you should get a 21 and pay someone else to do it with your constant stream of bitcoin. 1281308;1442869117;ascii_field;mike_c: typically i leave the thing grinding before going off to the minez and check on it in the evening. 1281309;1442869122;ascii_field;very 1970s/batch-processy. 1281310;1442869131;mike_c;heh. so it's mostly auto-routing? 1281311;1442869147;ascii_field;'auto' would be a lie. but nominally, yes. 1281312;1442869211;ascii_field;phf et al: from my (admittedly very distant) perch, my understanding of usg's engineering problem is as follows 1281313;1442869228;ascii_field;breaks into two parts: 1) create properly usgistic altcoin 1281314;1442869248;ascii_field;2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1) 1281315;1442869256;ascii_field;the hard part is (2). 1281316;1442869277;ascii_field;although i can easily imagine there being some disagreement among hitler's minions about the exact shape (1) ought to take 1281317;1442869320;ascii_field;it is the siphoning that is the tricky bit. 1281318;1442869856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075234 = 17.5671 BTC [+] {2} 1281319;1442869997;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1281320;1442870344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00075234 = 13.4067 BTC [+] {2} 1281321;1442870405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00075235 = 16.5517 BTC [+] 1281322;1442870594;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg 1281323;1442870623;phf;ascii_field: aha 1281324;1442870794;phf;BingoBoingo: all the fat whites that i've seen in turkey were american, literally every one of them would start speaking english at some point while we were watching. in fact approaching u.s. the number and variety of fat people increased dramatically up to the philadelphia saturation levels 1281325;1442870857;BingoBoingo;phf: By Philadelphia saturation levels I assume you are referring to the "cream cheese" which helps them bulk to their size? 1281326;1442870886;phf;philly cheese stake and microbrew beer culture 1281327;1442870946;BingoBoingo;Ah 1281328;1442871048;phf;i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types 1281329;1442871150;BingoBoingo;I see. That must be rough. 1281330;1442871557;phf;mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there 1281331;1442871564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00075364 = 106.3386 BTC [+] {6} 1281332;1442871581;BingoBoingo;fuck 1281333;1442871641;BingoBoingo;So reading about how USG wants to expand VW's sphincter I can across this enviroscam for the first time http://www.volvotrucks.com/trucks/australia-market/en-au/trucks/environment/Emissions_technology/AdBlue/questions_answers/Pages/question6.aspx 1281334;1442871644;assbot;question6 - Q&A : Volvo Trucks - Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwueZN ) 1281335;1442871701;phf;there's an organic food coop here, with stereotypes buying groceries from stereotypes selling it. you'd have a field day 1281336;1442871762;BingoBoingo;"If the AdBlue tank is not topped up at this point we recommend a minimum top up of at least 3 litres - the Refill AdBlue No start in XXX miles message will appear. You will be able to drive the distance shown but you will subsequently be unable to start the engine." >> http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/corporate_sales0/fleet-after-sales/you 1281337;1442871763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwuwzD ) 1281338;1442871763;BingoBoingo;-and-adblue.html 1281339;1442871765;BingoBoingo;lol phf 1281340;1442871835;phf;ooh ooh, a chubby english major, who's a perpetually broke works random jobs, but aspires to be a singer, but nobody has a heart to tell her that she's not very good 1281341;1442871928;cazalla;phf, she wouldn't believe them anyway eh 1281342;1442872009;BingoBoingo;Yeah, or write it off as oppreshun because people don't understand her condishuns 1281343;1442872052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.0007529 = 11.996 BTC [-] 1281344;1442872052;phf;there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you 1281345;1442872090;phf;i'm not paraphrasing the last bit by the way 1281346;1442872179;phf;there's a coop yoga place, that designed "as a sort of community wellness center", good thing that the owner owns the building too, because they can't seem to quite break even, and periodically have strategic brainstorm sessions about how to make money 1281347;1442872250;BingoBoingo;lol 1281348;1442872258;phf;could make a portlandia show about west philadelphia, if it wasn't all so derivative already 1281349;1442872294;BingoBoingo;It's amazing how much failure gets passed along as "progress" in USistan 1281350;1442872294;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1281351;1442872315;BingoBoingo;From the geniuses of Reddit https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg 1281352;1442872316;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 ) 1281353;1442872461;cazalla;thanks for ruining my morning cuppa BingoBoingo 1281354;1442872512;phf;and here i am being upset that you can't find a bidet anywhere in u.s. except for muslim neighbourhoods 1281355;1442872540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075488 = 5.0577 BTC [+] {3} 1281356;1442872595;phf;would probably also solve problems of the creatures in that reddit thread 1281357;1442872642;BingoBoingo;seriously 1281358;1442872723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40211 @ 0.0007529 = 30.2749 BTC [-] 1281359;1442872922;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b23 1281360;1442873121;lobbes;'I'm going to try this. I've been pooping in the shower for years...' << lmao. I don't envy the plumber that finally gets called to snake that drain 1281361;1442874408;deedbot-;[Qntra] Pirateat40 Pleads Guilty To Securities Fraud - http://qntra.net/2015/09/pirateat40-pleads-guilty-to-securities-fraud/ 1281362;1442875529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10071 @ 0.00075417 = 7.5952 BTC [+] {3} 1281363;1442875798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unrelatred items. 1281364;1442875892;mircea_popescu;hory shit 130 eth bet. 1281365;1442875992;*;BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea) 1281366;1442876034;mircea_popescu;lol srsly ? 1281367;1442876042;BingoBoingo;Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain 1281368;1442876045;BingoBoingo;srsly 1281369;1442876079;BingoBoingo;they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream 1281370;1442876104;mircea_popescu;but... why ? 1281371;1442876125;BingoBoingo;Because of Nitrogen oxides 1281372;1442876127;mircea_popescu;lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss. 1281373;1442876128;mircea_popescu;oh. 1281374;1442876201;BingoBoingo;Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle 1281375;1442876234;mircea_popescu;bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception" 1281376;1442876251;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead." 1281377;1442876294;BingoBoingo;Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel 1281378;1442876346;punkman;why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. 1281379;1442876358;*;BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point 1281380;1442876382;BingoBoingo; why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss. 1281381;1442876404;punkman;http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2015/09/20/bourne-aesthetic/ 1281382;1442876406;assbot;The Bourne Aesthetic – blarg? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKktU ) 1281383;1442876410;mircea_popescu;but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones 1281384;1442876415;mircea_popescu;while he waits in traffic. 1281385;1442876417;BingoBoingo;lol 1281386;1442876439;shinohai;BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.0 ? 1281387;1442876442;assbot;[ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKlhp ) 1281388;1442876445;BingoBoingo;Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx 1281389;1442876452;BingoBoingo;shinohai: That one 1281390;1442876481;shinohai;That one gave me quite a few lolz 1281391;1442876629;phf;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/kernighan-interview/ 1281392;1442876630;assbot;An Interview with Brian Kernighan ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKy45 ) 1281393;1442877547;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXUG8q4jKU "I dont wanna live in a city where a rat cant drag a hard-earned slice of pizza down a subway staircase without being tormented by the media" 1281394;1442877547;assbot;New York City rat taking pizza home on the subway - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlLwgR ) 1281395;1442877603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007392 = 4.1395 BTC [-] 1281396;1442877748;mircea_popescu;i cant even. 1281397;1442878052;mircea_popescu;"No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful." 1281398;1442878056;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what the ever living fuck. 1281399;1442878080;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement. 1281400;1442878094;mircea_popescu;guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT. 1281401;1442878113;BingoBoingo;lol 1281402;1442878143;mircea_popescu;anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ? 1281403;1442878175;mircea_popescu;put the fear of god into them, as that guy said. 1281404;1442878264;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/eTq1K because lulz. 1281405;1442878264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbUhiH ) 1281406;1442878518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073675 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {3} 1281407;1442878600;mircea_popescu;(that guy, J.E. Freeman) 1281408;1442878693;mircea_popescu;btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ? 1281409;1442878714;asciilifeform;nope 1281410;1442878718;mircea_popescu;"HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy. 1281411;1442878725;mircea_popescu;ted nelson. 1281412;1442878730;asciilifeform;l0l 1281413;1442878738;mircea_popescu;he's right, too. it is. 1281414;1442878756;*;asciilifeform owns pretty much the whole of nelson's collected output, on dead tree 1281415;1442878771;*;asciilifeform still working his way through it, sporadically 1281416;1442878786;mircea_popescu;(not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form) 1281417;1442878814;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit. 1281418;1442878883;mircea_popescu;hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network. 1281419;1442878884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00074452 = 19.2838 BTC [+] {3} 1281420;1442878896;mircea_popescu;they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today. 1281421;1442878906;BingoBoingo;That Lopp fellow shilling for 21 nao 1281422;1442878907;asciilifeform;the micropayment thing has to be taken in context. it was 1960s and his vision was arguably an improvement of 'if you want to make money from thinking, have a job in usg academia' 1281423;1442878909;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/8Wb1W 1281424;1442878910;assbot;The 21 Bitcoin Computer : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbViaw ) 1281425;1442878925;asciilifeform;*improvement over 1281426;1442878951;mircea_popescu;all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS 1281427;1442878971;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he was always 21 "evanghelism" afaik. 1281428;1442878981;asciilifeform;the other thing that folks often forget is that neither nelson nor anybody else seriously expected illiterate derps to get their hands on the machines 1281429;1442878981;BingoBoingo;Ah 1281430;1442878993;mircea_popescu;this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc. 1281431;1442878994;asciilifeform;any more than schoolchildren are given bulldozers to play with 1281432;1442879016;mircea_popescu;in the 60s ? 1281433;1442879027;asciilifeform;aha 1281434;1442879032;mircea_popescu;in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative. 1281435;1442879050;asciilifeform;'computer' had stopped being a job title, but was still very much a ~place~ 1281436;1442879056;mircea_popescu;when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough" 1281437;1442879062;mircea_popescu;us forgot this somehoiw. 1281438;1442879093;mircea_popescu;who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade. 1281439;1442879120;asciilifeform;afaik this is still very much a thing in usa 1281440;1442879122;mircea_popescu;("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.) 1281441;1442879132;asciilifeform;aha! 1281442;1442879158;asciilifeform;to the point that if i travel for week+ and come home, it knocks me over nearly 1281443;1442879173;*;mircea_popescu doesn't keep books anymore 1281444;1442879184;asciilifeform;they didn't fit into the space capsule aha 1281445;1442879187;gernika;My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good 1281446;1442879196;gernika;used to it now 1281447;1442879199;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked. 1281448;1442879201;phf;man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books 1281449;1442879216;asciilifeform;gernika: what vintage ? 1281450;1442879217;mircea_popescu;what guy ? 1281451;1442879221;phf;you 1281452;1442879225;asciilifeform;gernika: i have a 1958 one, smells great 1281453;1442879228;mircea_popescu;lol. 1281454;1442879236;shinohai;Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat. 1281455;1442879240;mircea_popescu;hey, i count it like giving up drinking. 1281456;1442879244;mircea_popescu;i don't aim to defend it. 1281457;1442879244;gernika;asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969. 1281458;1442879260;asciilifeform;gernika: we might disagree on what means 'smells great' 1281459;1442879315;gernika;asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish? 1281460;1442879326;asciilifeform;gernika: not in mine (as far as naked nose can tell) - oddly enough 1281461;1442879336;asciilifeform;other than possibly on the colour plates. 1281462;1442879337;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah alf has a nose cosy ? 1281463;1442879345;asciilifeform;cosy ? 1281464;1442879355;mircea_popescu;o you dunno what a cosy is ? 1281465;1442879367;asciilifeform;just now saw it for the first time 1281466;1442879373;asciilifeform;apparently a kind of sock ? 1281467;1442879373;mircea_popescu;it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots. 1281468;1442879402;*;asciilifeform does not own a knitted cone (or any other kind) to wear on the nose... 1281469;1442879407;mircea_popescu;it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk. 1281470;1442879479;asciilifeform;https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/21inc << l0l 1281471;1442879480;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbWoTx ) 1281472;1442879498;asciilifeform;and here i was thinking that hearncoin was through 1281473;1442879598;mircea_popescu;so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until 1281474;1442879600;mircea_popescu; those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES. 1281475;1442879600;mircea_popescu;*hanbot* i'm dressing. 1281476;1442879600;mircea_popescu; huh ? 1281477;1442879600;mircea_popescu;*hanbot* i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up. 1281478;1442879602;mircea_popescu; this i gotta see. 1281479;1442879616;mircea_popescu;so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes. 1281480;1442879620;mircea_popescu;then they started again 1281481;1442879626;mircea_popescu;for maybe five minutes. and then left. 1281482;1442879645;mircea_popescu;let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major. 1281483;1442879659;asciilifeform;l0l 1281484;1442879682;mircea_popescu;she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark! 1281485;1442879685;mircea_popescu;valkyrie on a stick. 1281486;1442879712;mircea_popescu;i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower. 1281487;1442879724;hanbot;^ yes please. 1281488;1442879749;mircea_popescu;lmao. remember that monthy python supermarket scene ? 1281489;1442879756;mircea_popescu;woman buys flamethrower ? 1281490;1442879792;hanbot;i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka. 1281491;1442879797;mircea_popescu;haha 1281492;1442879854;cazalla;asciilifeform, same seller you have mentioned from time to time? http://kremlin.enterprises/post/129364443055/your-code-is-so-bad-we-had-to-make-etclocal 1281493;1442879855;assbot;your code is so bad we had to make /etc/local/... - kremlin_t ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX7UP ) 1281494;1442879856;punkman;http://xm42.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EASDFS3.jpg 1281495;1442879858;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX778 ) 1281496;1442879902;mircea_popescu;punkman nah that's mickey mouse. 1281497;1442879915;mircea_popescu;golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing 1281498;1442879945;asciilifeform;cazalla: looks like dks's house, aha 1281499;1442879954;asciilifeform;cazalla: (a few photos in) 1281500;1442879975;asciilifeform;cazalla: i have the 3620 (first photo) 1281501;1442879989;phf;above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd 1281502;1442880025;mircea_popescu;ah. yea 1281503;1442880048;asciilifeform;or perhaps not dks. no idea. 1281504;1442880080;punkman;above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump 1281505;1442880080;asciilifeform;'the situation was as follows: an older eccentric millionaire type had lots of this equipment rotting in his basement from years past. it needed to go, and he didnt care much about scoring big for it. the people paying the market price for all this stuff would certainly mistreat it as theyd just flip them to profit. he wanted to see them go into loving hands who would restore them and treat them properly, but mostly want 1281506;1442880080;asciilifeform;ed to see them go out of his basement. there was a lot of equipment besides the lisp machines.' 1281507;1442880114;phf;for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent 1281508;1442880129;mircea_popescu;^ 1281509;1442880133;asciilifeform;aha! 1281510;1442880135;mircea_popescu;gas is only good for tv. 1281511;1442880136;asciilifeform;this is underappreciated 1281512;1442880165;mircea_popescu;two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things. 1281513;1442880167;mircea_popescu;such as people. 1281514;1442880183;mircea_popescu;you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc 1281515;1442880187;mircea_popescu;and you want it to stick around. 1281516;1442880196;phf;punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground 1281517;1442880214;*;mircea_popescu looks again. 1281518;1442880223;cazalla;yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before 1281519;1442880234;mircea_popescu;mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something 1281520;1442880249;mircea_popescu;because reflection. 1281521;1442880253;asciilifeform;cazalla: except that dks is not rich. he is a very old man living in a very small house - and - at least when i visited - had a boarder. 1281522;1442880397;asciilifeform;history of flamethrower - supposedly an uninterestingly low-tech thing - is actually full of twists 1281523;1442880402;phf;so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft" 1281524;1442880414;asciilifeform;when ww2 started, state of the art was to have 'pilot light' 1281525;1442880428;BingoBoingo; for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene 1281526;1442880430;asciilifeform;but this drew fire, and so different ways were tried 1281527;1442880449;asciilifeform;the spout turned into something disguised as approximately a normal rifle, 1281528;1442880463;asciilifeform;and ignition was done electrically or even with a pistol blank cartridge. 1281529;1442880466;mircea_popescu;" there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldnt easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing. 1281530;1442880470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00073581 = 10.2278 BTC [-] 1281531;1442880477;mircea_popescu;the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this. 1281532;1442880485;mircea_popescu;of fucking course it went to shit soon thereafter. 1281533;1442880492;mircea_popescu;it's a thin blade to walk. 1281534;1442880550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. 1281535;1442880647;mircea_popescu;"the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and thats something i dont think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before. 1281536;1442880650;mircea_popescu;just, to no benefit. 1281537;1442880651;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming 1281538;1442880655;mircea_popescu;but on the metric he proposes, he;'s wrong. 1281539;1442880672;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table. 1281540;1442880689;BingoBoingo;For flamethrower or bomb? 1281541;1442880736;BingoBoingo;Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear? 1281542;1442880774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc they used straight kerosene in ru, in those days. 1281543;1442880780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1281544;1442880782;asciilifeform;and a separate tank for compressed air. 1281545;1442880792;asciilifeform;worked well enough. 1281546;1442880792;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear. 1281547;1442880807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1281548;1442880814;asciilifeform;primary use case is really against a mostly-sealed container such as a tank or pillbox 1281549;1442880817;asciilifeform;burn out the air. 1281550;1442880824;mircea_popescu;many use cases. 1281551;1442880836;mircea_popescu;tank, pillbox, enemy behind close ridge, 1281552;1442880838;mircea_popescu;enemy in building, 1281553;1442880850;mircea_popescu;fucking mice, generally speaking. 1281554;1442880884;asciilifeform;the brits, in their typical 'if a thing is good, 100x of it is 100x better,' built a flamethrowing tank. 1281555;1442880886;phf;BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings 1281556;1442880926;BingoBoingo;Interesting 1281557;1442880929;mircea_popescu;tar is arguably even better. 1281558;1442880929;phf;not for flamethrower though, for "molotov" 1281559;1442880946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah lol 1281560;1442880965;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/fairview-heights-man-claims-he-was-imprisoned-for-days-for/article_b8093e36-4708-594f-a92e-1fec01e3cf19.html 1281561;1442880965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbZ2J0 ) 1281562;1442881012;asciilifeform;i've often wondered if a thermite-type reaction could be carried on in a liquid. 1281563;1442881036;phf;i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics 1281564;1442881046;asciilifeform;it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. 1281565;1442881056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no reason it shouldn't, huh. 1281566;1442881079;mircea_popescu;phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys. 1281567;1442881080;BingoBoingo; it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped 1281568;1442881085;mircea_popescu;"fuck you, get a girl to do it." 1281569;1442881110;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dropped << that's old hat. i was speaking of man-portable projectile weapons specifically. 1281570;1442881150;BingoBoingo;What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff 1281571;1442881245;phf;oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse 1281572;1442881272;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3lv58i/qntra_on_ethereum_vs_bitcoinxt/ << which one of you statist shills came up with the name. 1281573;1442881273;assbot;Qntra on Ethereum vs BitcoinXT : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlOGX0 ) 1281574;1442881293;mircea_popescu;phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go. 1281575;1442881347;mircea_popescu;we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.) 1281576;1442881355;mircea_popescu;(you just used the injection hole as a starter) 1281577;1442881372;phf;haa 1281578;1442881373;mircea_popescu;come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms. 1281579;1442881382;mircea_popescu;you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably. 1281580;1442881391;mircea_popescu;or had to, at any rate. 1281581;1442881646;phf;we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches 1281582;1442881706;asciilifeform;i did the most ordinary fuses - rope soaked in saltpetre. 1281583;1442881713;asciilifeform;they worked great. 1281584;1442881723;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281563 << ugh. plastic badminton shuttles. for the birds ! 1281585;1442881723;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics 1281586;1442881730;mircea_popescu;but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1 1281587;1442881740;BingoBoingo;Apparently the New York Times endorses untrained bystanders doing cric because 'Murica is now too fat for the heimlich http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/what-comes-after-the-heimlich-maneuver/?smid=tw-nytimeswell&smtyp=cur&_r=0 1281588;1442881743;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc0iM5 ) 1281589;1442881766;mircea_popescu;too fat for hymen lick ? not surprising! 1281590;1442881793;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281365 << ayup. to quote an alf : 1281591;1442881793;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 22:53:12; *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea) 1281592;1442881799;pete_dushenski;!s i thought this was well known 1281593;1442881799;assbot;4 results for 'i thought this was well known' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=i+thought+this+was+well+known 1281594;1442881831;cazalla;BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point 1281595;1442881833;mircea_popescu;i had no idea. 1281596;1442881859;pete_dushenski;isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ? 1281597;1442881866;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol. 1281598;1442881873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00073532 = 20.6993 BTC [-] 1281599;1442881889;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well ya :D 1281600;1442881905;mircea_popescu;two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found. 1281601;1442881943;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281372 << not a piss consideration. entirely germany's 'green but not green so then blue' branding 1281602;1442881943;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss. 1281603;1442881959;mircea_popescu;real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY. 1281604;1442881961;pete_dushenski;all the german car co's do the 'blue' thing 1281605;1442881979;mircea_popescu;they had the grune punkt. why not green ? 1281606;1442882003;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard. 1281607;1442882019;pete_dushenski;green is for ze amerikans 1281608;1442882022;phf;pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics 1281609;1442882023;mircea_popescu;hm. 1281610;1442882048;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: green is, ironically, dirty. 1281611;1442882053;mircea_popescu;phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ? 1281612;1442882057;mircea_popescu;nyah nyah. 1281613;1442882084;mircea_popescu;romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot. 1281614;1442882105;pete_dushenski;when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic. 1281615;1442882118;mircea_popescu;i never saw a cock made out of anything but. 1281616;1442882127;pete_dushenski;i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles 1281617;1442882133;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1281618;1442882135;pete_dushenski;just not for everyone 1281619;1442882152;mircea_popescu;badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up. 1281620;1442882154;pete_dushenski;they're around $3 a pop 1281621;1442882157;mircea_popescu;"what fat chicks do" 1281622;1442882161;pete_dushenski;the feather shuttles 1281623;1442882172;pete_dushenski;have been for years 1281624;1442882178;phf;i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies) 1281625;1442882194;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not' 1281626;1442882210;pete_dushenski;the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this 1281627;1442882225;mircea_popescu;it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ? 1281628;1442882234;pete_dushenski;lolwut 1281629;1442882247;mircea_popescu;phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then. 1281630;1442882248;pete_dushenski;handball maybe ? 1281631;1442882253;BingoBoingo;!b 12 1281632;1442882254;assbot;Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2A6X5KE.txt ) 1281633;1442882260;mircea_popescu;as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa. 1281634;1442882265;mircea_popescu;a yeah handball 1281635;1442882330;mircea_popescu;right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender. 1281636;1442882357;mircea_popescu;(this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot) 1281637;1442882377;phf;mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su 1281638;1442882387;mircea_popescu;rly ? 1281639;1442882437;phf;well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s. 1281640;1442882444;mircea_popescu;honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987 1281641;1442882467;mircea_popescu;and before that, and hence. 1281642;1442882522;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmg7PVJ3rg << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada 1281643;1442882523;assbot;2013 Canadian Nationals - MS F - B.Milroy [BC] vs A.Pang [AB] - Match - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRinK ) 1281644;1442882540;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_qpF1ClrQ << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime 1281645;1442882541;assbot;Black Knight British Columbia Junior Elite U19 Doubles Finals Badminton - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRmEf ) 1281646;1442882552;mircea_popescu;(i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history) 1281647;1442882552;mats;i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick. 1281648;1442882566;mircea_popescu;mats you understand how social exclusion works rite ? 1281649;1442882572;mats;its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...? 1281650;1442882578;mircea_popescu;therefore undignified. 1281651;1442882630;mircea_popescu;literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that". 1281652;1442882652;mircea_popescu;and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?" 1281653;1442882668;mircea_popescu;ie, "ba, tu poti asa ?" 1281654;1442882704;cazalla;handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades 1281655;1442882707;pete_dushenski;in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling 1281656;1442882739;pete_dushenski;but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk 1281657;1442882747;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281026 << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ? 1281658;1442882747;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ? 1281659;1442882770;phf;pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol 1281660;1442882796;mircea_popescu;in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian. 1281661;1442882802;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't 1281662;1442882815;pete_dushenski;phf: like itch to play again ? :) 1281663;1442882820;mircea_popescu;which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway. 1281664;1442882822;mircea_popescu;as a bloc. 1281665;1442882825;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: bahaha 1281666;1442882829;mircea_popescu;better deal than getting raped as an individual. 1281667;1442882846;pete_dushenski;laugh was about "ass i lick" 1281668;1442882855;phf;pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back 1281669;1442882896;trinque;bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game 1281670;1442882906;mircea_popescu;ah, no drinking whatsoever. 1281671;1442882913;mircea_popescu;drinking games are a diff story altogether. 1281672;1442882921;trinque;oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house 1281673;1442882942;trinque;this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially 1281674;1442882957;pete_dushenski;phf: ya, those kids aren't fantastic. 1281675;1442882977;mircea_popescu;as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!" 1281676;1442883010;mircea_popescu;drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!" 1281677;1442883015;phf;the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side 1281678;1442883033;cazalla;mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball? 1281679;1442883053;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters 1281680;1442883060;mircea_popescu;special interdiction zone around it 1281681;1442883083;cazalla;no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here 1281682;1442883117;mircea_popescu;actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football. 1281683;1442883119;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/TOxNOa-yZJ4?t=22m8s << for those interested, actual pro men's doubles badminton 1281684;1442883122;assbot;L.Yong Dae/Y.Y.Seong v M.Boe/C.Mog.|MD| Day 4 Match 6 - BWF Destination Dubai 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc2HGT ) 1281685;1442883182;pete_dushenski;phf: what's 'a dunking game' ? 1281686;1442883183;cazalla;i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then 1281687;1442883204;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd is so fucked ;/ 1281688;1442883204;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple." 1281689;1442883208;pete_dushenski;and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit 1281690;1442883211;phf;pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point 1281691;1442883233;mircea_popescu;as predicted by alf and others. 1281692;1442883276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00073532 = 2.5736 BTC [-] 1281693;1442883282;pete_dushenski;phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais 1281694;1442883291;phf;one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though 1281695;1442883353;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop 1281696;1442883373;pete_dushenski;just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still 1281697;1442883383;pete_dushenski;~0.5 btc 1281698;1442883397;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/JJ4CDlF.png 1281699;1442883398;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3kjz ) 1281700;1442883415;phf;pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot 1281701;1442883445;pete_dushenski;aha 1281702;1442883459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00073467 = 27.9909 BTC [-] {3} 1281703;1442883510;pete_dushenski;phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous 1281704;1442883532;pete_dushenski;which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court 1281705;1442883596;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZekuO-FJY << much better canadian men's doubles. no nerves here. 1281706;1442883597;assbot;Canadian Badminton Nationals 2011 - Bronze Medal Game - Men's Double 3rd set (2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3GXm ) 1281707;1442883602;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: not all opterons are created equal 1281708;1442883634;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. so what's 'alf recommended' ? 1281709;1442883643;pete_dushenski;for the completely ignorant... 1281710;1442883646;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: depends on what you're doing ! 1281711;1442883665;asciilifeform;sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car' 1281712;1442883672;BingoBoingo;Trying to take over the world? 1281713;1442883704;pete_dushenski;ok : bitcoin, pgp, web, text, youtube. 1281714;1442883754;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the hard part is to find the mobo with ecc/'registered' ram support 1281715;1442883764;asciilifeform;the cpu itself is (at this time) plentiful 1281716;1442883829;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281255 << man o man is this worth a chuckle 1281717;1442883829;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:36; ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page. 1281718;1442883840;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: see log 1281719;1442883845;pete_dushenski;they won't sell 10k of these things 1281720;1442883849;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: o i did 1281721;1442883867;mircea_popescu;yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support. 1281722;1442883890;mircea_popescu;and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log! 1281723;1442883905;asciilifeform;i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years. 1281724;1442883908;pete_dushenski;i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards 1281725;1442883912;asciilifeform;pretty much everything else afaik is junk. 1281726;1442883926;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski where are they listed ? 1281727;1442883941;pete_dushenski;21 is private afaik 1281728;1442884030;pete_dushenski;http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/09/were_number_16.html << heh. usistan drops from 10th to 16th in 'economic freedom' in a span of just 4 years 1281729;1442884031;assbot;We're Number 16! We're Number 16!, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4EmD ) 1281730;1442884050;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281047 << because it was the one available escape from socialism ? 1281731;1442884050;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:18:27; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag 1281732;1442884130;asciilifeform;escape l0l 1281733;1442884164;hanbot;BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission for consideration: http://dpaste.com/1TAA9VJ 1281734;1442884165;assbot;dpaste: 1TAA9VJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4ZWh ) 1281735;1442884172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you dispute ? 1281736;1442884204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not as such. but have to consider why the escape was, at least in certain cases, into mathematics rather than drink 1281737;1442884225;mircea_popescu;this never happened. 1281738;1442884228;mircea_popescu;undrunk ru mathematician ?! 1281739;1442884234;mircea_popescu;not even in highschool teaching. 1281740;1442884260;asciilifeform;or, possibly more to the point, why the escape from misery of the west is pretty much never into first-rate mathematics. 1281741;1442884274;mircea_popescu;because the misery of the west is not self aware. 1281742;1442884282;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough". 1281743;1442884295;asciilifeform;there is this. but also the other thing. 1281744;1442884300;mircea_popescu;which is ? 1281745;1442884340;asciilifeform;the western model of mass education, with the conscious goal of maximally intellectually crippling the victim ? 1281746;1442884351;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281071 << why do you think this is either difficult or even rare on a vm ?! 1281747;1442884351;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks... 1281748;1442884365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal. 1281749;1442884392;mircea_popescu;all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant, 1281750;1442884396;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, education is rape. 1281751;1442884431;deedbot-;[Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/ 1281752;1442884558;asciilifeform;education in su, at least in so far as it pertained to maths and the physical sciences, was most certainly not a feature of a 'make'em stupid' plan of whatever sort. 1281753;1442884586;asciilifeform;the key difference is not even, as popularly supposed, in the fundamentals (although to some extent this was true) 1281754;1442884600;trinque;re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix 1281755;1442884608;asciilifeform;but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. 1281756;1442884609;trinque;*officers 1281757;1442884640;asciilifeform;ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally. 1281758;1442884646;asciilifeform;but it was a thing. 1281759;1442884780;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281751 << iirc this was in the logz week or two ago... 1281760;1442884780;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:13:51; deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/ 1281761;1442884827;asciilifeform;but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here. 1281762;1442884861;trinque;maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. 1281763;1442884904;trinque;and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit 1281764;1442884926;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil 1281765;1442884953;asciilifeform;'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure tha 1281766;1442884954;asciilifeform;t he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.' 1281767;1442884997;asciilifeform;(oughta be obvious from where) 1281768;1442885032;asciilifeform;among the pua folks, this is known as 'shit test' 1281769;1442885056;trinque;I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing 1281770;1442885065;trinque;they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do 1281771;1442885066;asciilifeform;this is not a necessary hypothesis. 1281772;1442885081;asciilifeform;and yes, for normal sexuality. 1281773;1442885146;asciilifeform;as described in the footnotes of http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm 1281774;1442885148;assbot;A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY ) 1281775;1442885205;asciilifeform;'At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furtherance of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may no 1281776;1442885206;asciilifeform;t be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used. Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regula 1281777;1442885206;asciilifeform;tions and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used.' 1281778;1442885214;asciilifeform;^ from mircea_popescu's piece, quoted for the logz. 1281779;1442885319;asciilifeform;the particular case in question is also an instance of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-08-2015#1232285 1281780;1442885319;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.' 1281781;1442885378;asciilifeform;all cp prosecutions are, without exception, exercises of 'lettre du cachet' powers. on account of the impossibility of proving otherwise, plus the lack of anyone giving half a rat's arse re: said proof. 1281782;1442885439;asciilifeform;'hackteam' leak revealed a spiffy, user-friendly bot module used by usg to remotely cp-ize winblowz users. it was mentioned in guess how many newspapers. 1281783;1442885540;trinque;I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population 1281784;1442885548;asciilifeform;and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence. 1281785;1442885549;trinque;see: abstinence camps and so on 1281786;1442885610;mircea_popescu;trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes. 1281787;1442885629;trinque;oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA 1281788;1442885645;mircea_popescu; but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour. 1281789;1442885668;mircea_popescu;"the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now" 1281790;1442885675;asciilifeform;it worked. 1281791;1442885682;mircea_popescu;that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is. 1281792;1442885698;asciilifeform;i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin. 1281793;1442885701;asciilifeform;it fucking worked. 1281794;1442885716;asciilifeform;and in usa, it is anathema. 1281795;1442885719;mircea_popescu;but we were not discussing THAT. 1281796;1442885815;mircea_popescu; maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall. 1281797;1442885822;mircea_popescu;about as likely to change as the color of sunset. 1281798;1442885838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00075144 = 24.0085 BTC [+] {4} 1281799;1442885857;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281212 << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth 1281800;1442885857;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ? 1281801;1442885862;trinque;yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much 1281802;1442885865;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^ 1281803;1442885923;mircea_popescu;lol danielpbarron got himself a mining rig huh. 1281804;1442885970;asciilifeform;see logz for my hypothesis re: why usg is handing out almost homeopathically-small miners. 1281805;1442886019;mircea_popescu;i handed this one out. 1281806;1442886030;asciilifeform;speaking of the other one 1281807;1442886033;asciilifeform;the '21' thing 1281808;1442886056;mircea_popescu;<trinque> I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist. 1281809;1442886061;asciilifeform;likely, somewhere in there is an antifuse that, e.g., switches the workfunction to use sha3, or the like. 1281810;1442886085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy. 1281811;1442886097;mircea_popescu;any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification. 1281812;1442886098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was originally limited to, iirc, traffic offenses. 1281813;1442886105;mircea_popescu;you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense. 1281814;1442886139;asciilifeform;jury nullification is, contrary to popular belief, not really a thing in usa. not in the sense that it is impossible - it is certainly possible, on paper. but in practice verdict (in criminal cases) must be unanimous, and it never happens. 1281815;1442886139;asciilifeform;ever. 1281816;1442886159;asciilifeform;and if the judge catches a juror actively persuading others to nullify, he can try him for 'contempt' 1281817;1442886172;mircea_popescu;only before deliberation. 1281818;1442886175;asciilifeform;the usual result is what is called 'hung jury' 1281819;1442886183;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1281820;1442886185;*;asciilifeform saw this from inside, personally hung it 1281821;1442886199;asciilifeform;this simply leads to a new trial. 1281822;1442886202;asciilifeform;with fresh meat puppets. 1281823;1442886206;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1281824;1442886218;mircea_popescu;more lulz @ usg expense. 1281825;1442886233;asciilifeform;oh noez the judge might have to work on fridays ! 1281826;1442886237;asciilifeform;(true story.) 1281827;1442886258;mircea_popescu;yup. 1281828;1442886303;danielpbarron;at least a hung jury wastes more USG money 1281829;1442886342;trinque;in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power 1281830;1442886356;trinque;what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ? 1281831;1442886368;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281097 << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard" 1281832;1442886368;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us. 1281833;1442886393;asciilifeform;actually it does not matter at all to usg if a trial is a 'new' one, or rerun of 'hung jury' trial. 1281834;1442886399;asciilifeform;every trial is an exercise of usg power. 1281835;1442886401;asciilifeform;and they are cheap. 1281836;1442886413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281100 << dude that's fucking stupid 1281837;1442886413;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha. 1281838;1442886415;asciilifeform;and they will deputize 'magistrates' and other faux judge-lite animals 1281839;1442886418;asciilifeform;as needed. 1281840;1442886421;asciilifeform;at minimal cost. 1281841;1442886421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point. 1281842;1442886436;mircea_popescu;you don't accept magistrate judge. 1281843;1442886449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that is why it is an exercise of ~conscious~ stupidity. mr mold ~knows~ what he is doing. 1281844;1442886454;asciilifeform;he knows that it is an atrocity. 1281845;1442886455;mircea_popescu;once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers. 1281846;1442886497;asciilifeform;i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth 1281847;1442886502;asciilifeform;until he likes magistrates again. 1281848;1442886509;mircea_popescu;except he doesn't. 1281849;1442886514;asciilifeform;why not ? 1281850;1442886528;mircea_popescu;because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse. 1281851;1442886538;mircea_popescu;then da gets some form of persuasion, 1281852;1442886541;mircea_popescu;in the shape of broken teeth. 1281853;1442886551;mircea_popescu;what man does, man does, alfie. always remember. 1281854;1442886564;asciilifeform;why would a fella who can administer broken teeth to the d.a., end up in a jail at any point ? 1281855;1442886570;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1281856;1442886573;mircea_popescu;usg paid for security. 1281857;1442886578;mircea_popescu;usg paid for the whores. 1281858;1442886586;mircea_popescu;let it do what it likes doing. 1281859;1442886603;asciilifeform;i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell 1281860;1442886615;asciilifeform;with couches, escritoir, tiffany lamps, etc. 1281861;1442886616;mircea_popescu;the point is drastically more subtler than that. 1281862;1442886625;mircea_popescu;the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource. 1281863;1442886633;mircea_popescu;in ANY contest of nine year olds, SOME nine year olds 1281864;1442886638;mircea_popescu;ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail. 1281865;1442886655;mircea_popescu;no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this. 1281866;1442886672;mircea_popescu;some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given. 1281867;1442886687;mircea_popescu;and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days. 1281868;1442886780;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281105 << problem with the bezzletron is that words become dirty through their usage. which is why colored coins gotta become bitshares gotta become ripple gotta become ethereum and on and on. 1281869;1442886780;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom') 1281870;1442886869;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281109 << "broadly the difference is that curtis originally didn't understand what this all is, then got called on it by http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ then had someone who can actually think explain what's going on to him, then the next day came up with.... wait for it... HIS OWN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN. 1281871;1442886869;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.' 1281872;1442886870;assbot;Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFKNie ) 1281873;1442886884;mircea_popescu;becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap. 1281874;1442886929;mircea_popescu;what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS. 1281875;1442886947;mircea_popescu;between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles. 1281876;1442886991;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice. 1281877;1442887135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ? 1281878;1442887136;assbot;dpaste: 117CE64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJwhQy ) 1281879;1442887232;phf;neat 1281880;1442887259;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise. 1281881;1442887276;mircea_popescu;rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious. 1281882;1442887379;mircea_popescu;also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars. 1281883;1442887400;mircea_popescu;so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism. 1281884;1442887459;mircea_popescu;and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair. 1281885;1442887492;mircea_popescu;these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in. 1281886;1442887545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281113 << unavoidable. this is what being a thought leader entails : that EVERYONE ELSE is stuck trying to make your planes out of mud and sticks. for that is what they have and this is what they want. 1281887;1442887545;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions 1281888;1442887576;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me. 1281889;1442887576;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not. 1281890;1442887592;mircea_popescu;so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it. 1281891;1442887690;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true. 1281892;1442887690;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring. 1281893;1442887719;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281877 << b0rk3d 1281894;1442887719;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:58:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ? 1281895;1442887824;mircea_popescu;and archive dies on http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/~/on/0v4.fr10a.u9sem.37m45.gtp52.qui8p.json 1281896;1442887836;mircea_popescu;i guess we'll never know. 1281897;1442887904;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281876 >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html >> 'There is much less intellectual dishonesty among people who aren't smart enough to make up a sufficiently large part of the world that they can live in it, and the bigger part of the world you can create inside your own head, the more important it is that you don't move into your own mind, but keep 1281898;1442887904;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice. 1281899;1442887905;assbot;Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFLvMg ) 1281900;1442887905;asciilifeform; living in the real world, with its incredibly annoying habit of wrecking _every_ constructed expectation sooner or later.' 1281901;1442887969;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281891 << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it. 1281902;1442887969;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 02:08:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true. 1281903;1442888005;asciilifeform;but afaik no such proof presently is known to exist. 1281904;1442888024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable 1281905;1442888024;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though. 1281906;1442888024;assbot;So this Urbit thing... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJxM1j ) 1281907;1442888024;mircea_popescu;, must be smart". 1281908;1442888033;mircea_popescu;course meanwhile that fizzled. 1281909;1442888046;mircea_popescu;but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted. 1281910;1442888055;asciilifeform;it fizzled in 2010 when mr mold decided on 'jets'. 1281911;1442888062;asciilifeform;everything that came after that was nonsense. 1281912;1442888075;asciilifeform;there is no forgiveness for a stupid foundation. 1281913;1442888077;mircea_popescu;well in my defense i wasn't reading it then. 1281914;1442888078;asciilifeform;simply how it works. 1281915;1442888114;asciilifeform;http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << i did tell him. 1281916;1442888115;assbot;Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJy2gD ) 1281917;1442888164;asciilifeform;now if only he'd listened! then he could starve in this ditch with me, instead of bathing in benjies and cocaine in his usg-filled wealthtub 1281918;1442888166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true. 1281919;1442888175;mircea_popescu;ie, that it's a conjecture. 1281920;1442888175;asciilifeform;ah then yes! 1281921;1442888196;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all. 1281922;1442888204;mircea_popescu;i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing. 1281923;1442888237;mircea_popescu;btw re earlier feather discussion : http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ probably ties in. 1281924;1442888238;assbot;The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJyc7I ) 1281925;1442888239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually! this proof exists for rabin's pubkey algo! 1281926;1442888242;asciilifeform;go, read. 1281927;1442888245;mircea_popescu;after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ? 1281928;1442888251;asciilifeform;see what such a proof looks like, readily. 1281929;1442888268;asciilifeform;and aha yes, ties in. 1281930;1442888268;mircea_popescu;not what i meant! 1281931;1442888293;asciilifeform;hm? 1281932;1442888352;mircea_popescu;i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter. 1281933;1442888368;asciilifeform;research - yes, promising (afaik) - no. 1281934;1442888378;asciilifeform;'spreading on bread works! eating - not yet' (tm) (r) (su) 1281935;1442888389;mircea_popescu;so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism 1281936;1442888431;asciilifeform;at the risk of mixed metaphor, the locusts have cleared out the low-hanging fruit, yes. 1281937;1442888439;mircea_popescu;right. 1281938;1442888462;mircea_popescu;btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ? 1281939;1442888486;asciilifeform;i certainly see the resemblance. 1281940;1442888563;asciilifeform;though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos 1281941;1442888570;mircea_popescu;mostly the mouth tho 1281942;1442888679;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281864 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281866 << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ? 1281943;1442888679;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail. 1281944;1442888679;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given. 1281945;1442888702;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof, 1281946;1442888704;asciilifeform;is life of a soldier, for example, a fail ? 1281947;1442888710;mircea_popescu;which has a very "factorization" flavour to it. 1281948;1442888731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform failure is a subjective point. 1281949;1442888739;mircea_popescu;which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed. 1281950;1442888748;asciilifeform;l0l 1281951;1442888751;asciilifeform;i can see it. 1281952;1442888860;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281155 << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality. 1281953;1442888860;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself.. 1281954;1442888876;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281874 << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded. 1281955;1442888876;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS. 1281956;1442888879;mircea_popescu;b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny. 1281957;1442888899;mircea_popescu;ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears. 1281958;1442888908;asciilifeform;i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is 1281959;1442888911;asciilifeform;for example. 1281960;1442888921;mircea_popescu;this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism. 1281961;1442888941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can see it. 1281962;1442889025;asciilifeform;likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility. 1281963;1442889049;asciilifeform;ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing. 1281964;1442889074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY." 1281965;1442889078;mircea_popescu;same result in the end. 1281966;1442889094;asciilifeform;not necessarily same 1281967;1442889106;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1281968;1442889108;asciilifeform;what comes ~after~ depends, at least partly, on ~why~ we burned it. 1281969;1442889127;asciilifeform;if stupid-burned - it will be same old idiocy with different coat of paint. 1281970;1442889132;mircea_popescu;which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility. 1281971;1442889133;asciilifeform;as mr mold's bad re-invention. 1281972;1442889393;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281888 << wai wat 1281973;1442889393;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me. 1281974;1442889395;asciilifeform;how's that work 1281975;1442889417;mircea_popescu;if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots 1281976;1442889422;mircea_popescu;i would not hire the idiots. 1281977;1442889438;asciilifeform;who in his right mind, would ? 1281978;1442889456;mircea_popescu;whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you. 1281979;1442889464;asciilifeform;not exactly 1281980;1442889466;mircea_popescu;but if not - greenspun. 1281981;1442889471;asciilifeform;not-having-to-work-dayjob is valuable. 1281982;1442889474;asciilifeform;all else being equal. 1281983;1442889487;mircea_popescu;" But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance." 1281984;1442889489;mircea_popescu;exact quote. 1281985;1442889494;mircea_popescu;allow me to lol. 1281986;1442889850;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.) 1281987;1442889850;asciilifeform;i might be thick, but - which this ? 1281988;1442889850;mircea_popescu;i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans. 1281989;1442889850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet. 1281990;1442889850;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom' 1281991;1442889850;asciilifeform;iirc 1281992;1442889850;mircea_popescu;now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery. 1281993;1442889850;asciilifeform;so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies 1281994;1442889850;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 1281995;1442889850;asciilifeform;none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~ 1281996;1442889850;asciilifeform;it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down. 1281997;1442889851;asciilifeform;or straight ponzi, e.g., yahoo, amazon 1281998;1442889851;mircea_popescu;actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation. 1281999;1442889851;mircea_popescu;the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment. 1282000;1442889851;asciilifeform;where did it go ? 1282001;1442889851;mircea_popescu;maybe some wiggle room between these. 1282002;1442889851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up. 1282003;1442889851;asciilifeform;'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership 1282004;1442889851;asciilifeform;.' (pediwik) 1282005;1442889851;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy. 1282006;1442889854;assbot;ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxiqq4 ) 1282007;1442889854;asciilifeform;l0l 1282008;1442889903;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281185 << heh. 1282009;1442889903;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they. 1282010;1442889921;asciilifeform;'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush! 1282011;1442889932;asciilifeform;without it, quite likely, he would have been nothing. 1282012;1442889945;asciilifeform;but yes, he got to sell the pick axes. 1282013;1442889952;asciilifeform;for a while, anyway. 1282014;1442889984;mircea_popescu;this is not a valid objection. 1282015;1442890005;mircea_popescu;iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately 1282016;1442890013;mircea_popescu;iirc he names siemens ? 1282017;1442890024;asciilifeform;the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all 1282018;1442890026;asciilifeform;incl. siemens 1282019;1442890033;mircea_popescu;well of course. but this was calendar 1999 1282020;1442890034;asciilifeform;hell, recall what siemens is most famous for today. 1282021;1442890039;asciilifeform;(stuxnet platform) 1282022;1442890041;mircea_popescu;"cheap apple copy" ? 1282023;1442890082;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281217 << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts. 1282024;1442890082;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit' 1282025;1442890104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler. 1282026;1442890120;mircea_popescu;why ? 1282027;1442890124;asciilifeform;aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist. 1282028;1442890137;asciilifeform;but possibly that's just me. 1282029;1442890141;mircea_popescu;how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ? 1282030;1442890145;mircea_popescu;what about "bitcoin atms" ? 1282031;1442890151;asciilifeform;i slept through the neobee thing 1282032;1442890160;mircea_popescu;looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something. 1282033;1442890162;asciilifeform;the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure 1282034;1442890167;mircea_popescu;so they're blockchain technologizing. 1282035;1442890191;asciilifeform;where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ? 1282036;1442890198;asciilifeform;as with the atm 1282037;1442890208;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281224 << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded. 1282038;1442890208;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners 1282039;1442890234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab". 1282040;1442890245;mircea_popescu;also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years. 1282041;1442890279;asciilifeform;yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA 1282042;1442890282;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281227 << that can not be right. 1282043;1442890282;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day. 1282044;1442890288;asciilifeform;120 Gh/s?!! srsly? 1282045;1442890300;mircea_popescu;;;bc,calc 120000 1282046;1442890300;gribble;use the 'gentime' command instead 1282047;1442890305;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 120000 1282048;1442890306;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds 1282049;1442890325;mircea_popescu;;;calc 25 / 67 * 365 1282050;1442890325;gribble;136.194029851 1282051;1442890329;mircea_popescu;tsk. 1282052;1442890331;mircea_popescu;;;calc 25 / 67 / 365 1282053;1442890331;gribble;0.00102228583112 1282054;1442890336;asciilifeform;there we go. 1282055;1442890365;mircea_popescu;quarter a day. how big is it ? 1282056;1442890374;asciilifeform;the gadget ? 1282057;1442890376;mircea_popescu;120gh/s still need like 50W or so ? 1282058;1442890389;asciilifeform;more like 10W iirc 1282059;1442890399;asciilifeform;(the dev board it is attached to can supply no more) 1282060;1442890418;mircea_popescu;then they're not mining 120gh 1282061;1442890432;asciilifeform;advertised was '50 - 120' iirc 1282062;1442890436;mircea_popescu;im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol. 1282063;1442890439;mircea_popescu;so you'll get 12. 1282064;1442890453;asciilifeform;but say it is 200, even. still pocket lint. 1282065;1442890462;mircea_popescu;this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001 1282066;1442890468;asciilifeform;esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc 1282067;1442890488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: intel was right. my figure assumes a frozen universe 1282068;1442890491;mircea_popescu;there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day. 1282069;1442890499;asciilifeform;a $450 egg ? 1282070;1442890511;mircea_popescu;hey, comes right out of their college fund :D 1282071;1442890511;asciilifeform;goose, rather 1282072;1442890538;mircea_popescu;besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills. 1282073;1442890541;mircea_popescu;better get the goose. 1282074;1442890559;mircea_popescu;anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising. 1282075;1442890567;mircea_popescu;if they murder it, that's the plan. 1282076;1442890569;asciilifeform;it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass 1282077;1442890579;mircea_popescu;you clearly never had kids. 1282078;1442890582;asciilifeform;nope. 1282079;1442890589;mircea_popescu;if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor. 1282080;1442890608;mircea_popescu;"say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!" 1282081;1442890661;asciilifeform;l0lz 1282082;1442890671;pete_dushenski;this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/ 1282083;1442890689;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: same people, same basic idea, but for some reason scaled down 1282084;1442890696;mircea_popescu;actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles. 1282085;1442890698;asciilifeform;(it was to be a thing in 'every light bulb' and 'every tv set') 1282086;1442890704;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the reason being : reality 1282087;1442890709;mircea_popescu;the ultimate puzzle of course being how to flash the damned thing. 1282088;1442890718;trinque;asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round 1282089;1442890719;mircea_popescu;i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range. 1282090;1442890758;mircea_popescu;trinque was it massive ? didn't they get like 20mn ? 1282091;1442890763;asciilifeform;200! 1282092;1442890766;trinque;thought it was 120mn 1282093;1442890768;mircea_popescu;a, ok. 1282094;1442890799;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281243 << dude get out, buy one. what do you think this is, the trezor ? 1282095;1442890799;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it 1282096;1442890832;asciilifeform;see thread. the boojum, if there is one, is prolly on the miner die. 1282097;1442890833;mircea_popescu;only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that! 1282098;1442890838;asciilifeform;l0l 1282099;1442890841;mircea_popescu;hehe 1282100;1442890881;asciilifeform;speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack. 1282101;1442890884;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/ 1282102;1442890885;assbot;BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.97 B (68%) on Yes, 2.34 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 25`126 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxlJxy ) 1282103;1442890891;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281238 << yeah because all those names you named haven't been desperate for revenue in the past decade. 1282104;1442890891;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it! 1282105;1442891008;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281253 << dun tell me, that keybase thing ? 1282106;1442891008;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well. 1282107;1442891010;asciilifeform;the really galling thing, to me, re: the 200mil sc4mz0rz, is that for prolly less than half of that, a sane man could build a perfectly serviceable chip fab in the pampas or the like 1282108;1442891012;mircea_popescu;or w/e it was called ? 1282109;1442891021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not keybase this time. a fresh one. 1282110;1442891024;asciilifeform;(why?? ask them..) 1282111;1442891029;mircea_popescu;would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that". 1282112;1442891055;asciilifeform;of whatever they paid to have that thing shat out 1282113;1442891059;mircea_popescu;"In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hoolis ad platform." 1282114;1442891065;mircea_popescu;you understand already ? what 200 million ? 1282115;1442891091;asciilifeform;or is mircea_popescu's argument is that the 200megabux is in 'recyclable real estate bezzle' usd, which, if spent on turkeys, would send shock wave that could topple cities ? 1282116;1442891092;mircea_popescu;this is not a deal in which k is valuing x at y. it is a deal in which X!!! is valuing k at y. 1282117;1442891111;mircea_popescu;contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging. 1282118;1442891113;mircea_popescu;it's the other guy. 1282119;1442891124;mircea_popescu;this is how begging goes, "power men blablabla" 1282120;1442891132;asciilifeform;the guy who needs 200megatonnes of reactor fluid recirculated and laundered ? 1282121;1442891139;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1282122;1442891153;asciilifeform;then yes. 1282123;1442891164;asciilifeform;it would also explain why 'raspberry pi' and naked miner board circa 2012 1282124;1442891187;mircea_popescu;what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes. 1282125;1442891205;mircea_popescu;"bad for you!11" 1282126;1442891259;*;pete_dushenski just imagined predator drone hacking darts. chuckled. 1282127;1442891271;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281264 << it's altogether dubious whether they'll be able to keep up, even with it preloaded. 1282128;1442891271;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:43:43; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard 1282129;1442891288;mircea_popescu;(obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake) 1282130;1442891290;asciilifeform;easy to 'keep up' when you're headers-only-ing... 1282131;1442891304;mircea_popescu;aha. 1282132;1442891312;BingoBoingo;I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this. 1282133;1442891319;asciilifeform;i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all 1282134;1442891326;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1282135;1442891330;gribble;Current Blocks: 375556 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1282136;1442891399;asciilifeform;(incidentally, 67 connexions on zoolag, 28 on bucephalus, both at full height) 1282137;1442891402;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281279 << dildonics! 1282138;1442891402;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!) 1282139;1442891501;cazalla;mircea_popescu, their words, not mine! 1282140;1442891536;mircea_popescu;aha. 1282141;1442891579;cazalla;http://www.wired.com/2015/09/4chan-sold/ nfi how much he got 1282142;1442891579;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo0c2 ) 1282143;1442891598;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281314 <<->> http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.0-113.416 1282144;1442891598;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1) 1282145;1442891599;assbot;Digging through archives yields gold on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo4Zk ) 1282146;1442891602;mircea_popescu;"Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." 1282147;1442891603;mircea_popescu;etc. 1282148;1442891605;asciilifeform;'adult supervision', ellen paoization, snippetysnips, in 5,4,3,2....1 1282149;1442891612;mircea_popescu;so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct 1282150;1442891632;mircea_popescu;the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows. 1282151;1442891648;mircea_popescu;i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better. 1282152;1442891656;mircea_popescu;but there's something structural at work to do with the meaning of money. 1282153;1442891761;mircea_popescu;https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << o hey check out, the idiots haven't exactly learn what the nigger words are in bitcoin. 1282154;1442891762;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx ) 1282155;1442891775;mircea_popescu;good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement 1282156;1442891798;mircea_popescu;too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that" 1282157;1442891804;asciilifeform;wai wut 1282158;1442891838;mircea_popescu;which part 1282159;1442891841;cazalla;for sake of logs - the 21.co blockchain on an SD card quote is http://dpaste.com/07AQSXN.txt 1282160;1442891842;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxoTl0 ) 1282161;1442891857;asciilifeform;'haven't exactly... what the nigger words' 1282162;1442891878;mircea_popescu;the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner. 1282163;1442891961;mircea_popescu;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg << does this look like the face of an animal capable of love ? 1282164;1442892011;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281328 << "soo... are you a lesbian or just fat?" 1282165;1442892011;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types 1282166;1442892056;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an 1282167;1442892056;phf;d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there. 1282168;1442892097;mircea_popescu;say, dja ever read my "what is art" thing ? 1282169;1442892160;phf;yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding 1282170;1442892166;phf;*what 1282171;1442892197;mircea_popescu;" was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing" 1282172;1442892207;mircea_popescu;no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition. 1282173;1442892225;phf;oh interesting 1282174;1442892242;mircea_popescu;in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid. 1282175;1442892249;mircea_popescu;in this sense indistinguishable from socialism. 1282176;1442892266;mircea_popescu;the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields. 1282177;1442892310;mircea_popescu;(this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.) 1282178;1442892467;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. 1282179;1442892468;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 ) 1282180;1442892485;phf;but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days 1282181;1442892490;mircea_popescu;(i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.) 1282182;1442892522;mircea_popescu;phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ? 1282183;1442892539;asciilifeform;mega-patron. 1282184;1442892555;asciilifeform;nobody alive today is fit to be his boot sole, patron-wise 1282185;1442892608;mircea_popescu;well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense". 1282186;1442892764;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism. 1282187;1442892767;mircea_popescu;howabout that one! 1282188;1442892842;phf;there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage? 1282189;1442892893;mircea_popescu;salon de refuses, like ? 1282190;1442892938;punkman;mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided" 1282191;1442892939;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 ) 1282192;1442892957;mircea_popescu;(the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.) 1282193;1442892980;mircea_popescu;punkman no, it's just piped water with a faucet. 1282194;1442893024;punkman;mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon 1282195;1442893031;mircea_popescu;o god 1282196;1442893038;mircea_popescu;i was not ready for this truth. 1282197;1442893126;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1282198;1442893127;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F99H4.txt ) 1282199;1442893147;phf;why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because 1282200;1442893147;phf;imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons 1282201;1442893212;mircea_popescu;i am unpersuaded by this thesis. 1282202;1442893234;mircea_popescu;my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT. 1282203;1442893236;mircea_popescu;like at all. 1282204;1442893248;mircea_popescu;the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life. 1282205;1442893295;mircea_popescu;but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of this trade and c) actually willing and able to stand on his own did not mostly happen to exist. 1282206;1442893317;mircea_popescu;note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right. 1282207;1442893320;phf;i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme 1282208;1442893327;mircea_popescu;and they were shit 1282209;1442893337;mircea_popescu;in a most egregiously scandalous manner. 1282210;1442893473;phf;so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless. 1282211;1442893492;phf;so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you" 1282212;1442893528;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. 1282213;1442893577;mircea_popescu;and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin. 1282214;1442893621;phf;how so? 1282215;1442893626;mircea_popescu;the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out. 1282216;1442893634;mircea_popescu;it's not fuckin science, and it may never be silent. 1282217;1442893670;phf;well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma tales, for lack of better 1282218;1442893674;mircea_popescu;lacking that quality, the "artists" are posers. 1282219;1442893704;mircea_popescu;phf !stalin is "not-stalin", right ? 1282220;1442893711;phf;ooh ooh 1282221;1442893851;mircea_popescu;and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ? 1282222;1442893854;mircea_popescu;not like he wanted to. 1282223;1442893871;mircea_popescu;imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ? 1282224;1442893874;mircea_popescu;paint women, that's what. 1282225;1442893886;asciilifeform;eh day job 1282226;1442893900;mircea_popescu;what, gioconda ? 1282227;1442893904;asciilifeform;aha 1282228;1442893909;mircea_popescu;(it was, but, again - what, gioconda ???) 1282229;1442894123;phf;hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed? 1282230;1442894181;mircea_popescu;good enough for me, i'll take it :) 1282231;1442894253;phf;heh, what an interesting resolution 1282232;1442894280;mircea_popescu;one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit. 1282233;1442894299;asciilifeform;wai wut ?!! 1282234;1442894304;mircea_popescu;very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids" 1282235;1442894305;asciilifeform;these did not exist before ? 1282236;1442894318;mircea_popescu;and also on it goes, "everyone may read and write - so go gitbub" 1282237;1442894332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate. 1282238;1442894378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88792 @ 0.00075583 = 67.1117 BTC [+] {5} 1282239;1442894398;asciilifeform;ah hm 1282240;1442894421;mircea_popescu;what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ? 1282241;1442894427;mircea_popescu;and they'll fix it, i'm sure. 1282242;1442894448;mircea_popescu;runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away. 1282243;1442894504;asciilifeform;not as if there were anything for the eldest to inherit these days, in typical case 1282244;1442894510;mircea_popescu;(think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard") 1282245;1442894520;mircea_popescu;ofcoursenot. but for this reason. 1282246;1442894536;mircea_popescu;the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt. 1282247;1442894542;mircea_popescu;that's all the value that'll ever exist. 1282248;1442894554;mircea_popescu;lolz and drama. 1282249;1442894582;*;asciilifeform inevitably, when this comes up, thinks of the turks 1282250;1442894610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc." 1282251;1442894672;mircea_popescu;(hey, is my inclination to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?) 1282252;1442894699;asciilifeform;nah just sanity 1282253;1442894703;mircea_popescu;aok 1282254;1442894760;mircea_popescu;gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage. 1282255;1442894783;asciilifeform;l0lrchimedes 1282256;1442895032;phf;disenfranchisement is such a dirty word, we prefer wealth impaired 1282257;1442895096;mircea_popescu;it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing. 1282258;1442895119;mircea_popescu;you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble. 1282259;1442895163;asciilifeform;what is the pie in this line of thought ? 1282260;1442895171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38682 @ 0.0007519 = 29.085 BTC [-] 1282261;1442895189;asciilifeform;(does it count as 'grow' if you, british, conquer india? build machine looms driven by gurlz ?) 1282262;1442895209;asciilifeform;what means 'grow', other than discovering a duplicate planet somewhere ? 1282263;1442895359;mircea_popescu;notrly even duplicate planet. 1282264;1442895371;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281862 1282265;1442895371;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource. 1282266;1442895385;mircea_popescu;you can find all the planets you wish. 1282267;1442895403;asciilifeform;'the pie' implied some harvestable resource, no ? 1282268;1442895407;mircea_popescu;mno. 1282269;1442895413;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did not say 'cannot grow own balls' 1282270;1442895416;mircea_popescu;lulz and butthurt. 1282271;1442895505;asciilifeform;i was about to say 'balls cannot be grown from empty space' but it is conceivable that the biological foundation of what we think of as 'willpower' could be discovered and played with 1282272;1442895518;asciilifeform;(pharmacologically or some other way) 1282273;1442895560;phf;well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk 1282274;1442895612;asciilifeform;conveniently skipping the interim ? 1282275;1442895622;asciilifeform;where su owned 1282276;1442895639;asciilifeform;and used the proceeds to finance mathematics rather than golden toilets for a handful of degenerates 1282277;1442895671;asciilifeform;(at least for the first half century or so) 1282278;1442895766;phf;asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now 1282279;1442895777;asciilifeform;ah ok 1282280;1442895812;*;asciilifeform was bracing for the хруст французской булки (tm) (r) , pleasantly relieved 1282281;1442895840;*;asciilifeform bbl 1282282;1442895932;phf;бабка, по материнской линии то, с самим василием петровичем, городовым, чайи попивала, а вы говорите!™® 1282283;1442896206;phf;i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me 1282284;1442896216;phf;in any case 1282285;1442896217;*;phf bbl 1282286;1442896333;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2300&pr=0 1282287;1442896335;assbot;JL: Boomy Advises CSA Colonel James ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwK8Jg ) 1282288;1442898465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57921 @ 0.0007519 = 43.5508 BTC [-] 1282289;1442898927;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/21/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school/ 1282290;1442899011;pete_dushenski;and with that, bon soir ! 1282291;1442899441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00075655 = 25.7227 BTC [+] {3} 1282292;1442901835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform discovered it is. but played with... 1282293;1442901838;mircea_popescu;turns out it plays with you. 1282294;1442901860;mircea_popescu;it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em. 1282295;1442901897;mircea_popescu;(i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._ 1282296;1442902295;mircea_popescu;I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at usboom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners. 1282297;1442902297;mircea_popescu;aaahahahaha 1282298;1442902308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.0007568 = 26.488 BTC [+] {3} 1282299;1442903029;mircea_popescu;!up muruc 1282300;1442903153;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1282301;1442903157;gribble;Current Blocks: 375577 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1414 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1282302;1442903583;mircea_popescu; "Link your 21 box to your Twitter account, and any paywall website lets you read anything you want without popups, ads, or subscriptions." << except 90% of all paywall usage in bitcoin is to read trilema. which isn't in on this plan. 1282303;1442903590;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, GENIUS 1282304;1442903792;mircea_popescu;o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse. 1282305;1442903955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46150 @ 0.00075658 = 34.9162 BTC [-] 1282306;1442906029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.0007558 = 23.6188 BTC [-] 1282307;1442907188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215900 @ 0.00075736 = 163.514 BTC [+] {7} 1282308;1442907798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34377 @ 0.00075791 = 26.0547 BTC [+] {3} 1282309;1442907859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6923 @ 0.00076027 = 5.2633 BTC [+] 1282310;1442909079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4937 @ 0.00076027 = 3.7535 BTC [+] 1282311;1442909140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2765 @ 0.00076027 = 2.1021 BTC [+] {2} 1282312;1442909731;davout;good morning 1282313;1442911874;punkman;https://www.facebook.com/notes/protect-the-graph/update-facebook-openpgp/1646991155541029 1282314;1442911875;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcETCs ) 1282315;1442912119;shinohai;;;later tell mircea_popescu Artist chick shuddered at irc I think, wishes to contact you via email. 1282316;1442912119;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1282317;1442912556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00075641 = 19.4776 BTC [-] 1282318;1442913837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86800 @ 0.00075574 = 65.5982 BTC [-] 1282319;1442914205;punkman;"After a year of design, development, and prototyping, Pooch selfie is ready to go to market." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poochselfie/pooch-selfie-the-best-way-to-capture-selfies-with 1282320;1442914207;assbot;Pooch Selfie: The Best Way to Capture Selfies with Your Dog! by Clever Dog Products — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuesh6 ) 1282321;1442914272;punkman;"patent pending" 1282322;1442914411;shinohai;wow punkman 1282323;1442914447;shinohai;So I can't just ducttape a tennis ball to my smartphone. I need to fund a kickstarter for this junk. 1282324;1442914552;shinohai;I could literally pay some doge derp $1 to 3-d print that holder, I have the same product and the derp thinks "yay my currency is a success" 1282325;1442914780;cazalla;punkman, ya think as much as a single person uses that facebook pgp? 1282326;1442914823;punkman;cazalla: dunno, maybe a few 1282327;1442914901;punkman;http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2015/09/21/peanut-exec-gets-28-years-in-prison-for-deadly-salmonella-outbreak/ 1282328;1442914902;assbot;Peanut Exec Gets 28 Years In Prison For Deadly Salmonella Outbreak | Bay Area Bites | KQED Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIYRWA ) 1282329;1442914969;punkman;naturally, because the CEO knew about salmonella in company emails 1282330;1442915057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00075229 = 18.5063 BTC [-] {2} 1282331;1442916476;shinohai;irccloud get k-lined again? 1282332;1442920652;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3lx7xz/21_inc_fraud_eli5_in_10_simple_steps/ 1282333;1442920653;assbot;21 Inc fraud ELI5 in 10 simple steps : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wfu1YI ) 1282334;1442921401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45647 @ 0.00075447 = 34.4393 BTC [+] {4} 1282335;1442921950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00075846 = 42.3221 BTC [+] {4} 1282336;1442923638;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/SorryForYourLoss 1282337;1442923640;assbot;I stored bitcoins online ... aaaand they're gone. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKvSXp ) 1282338;1442924268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00075392 = 50.2865 BTC [-] {2} 1282339;1442924479;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-files-9-patents-for-bitcoin-products/ 1282340;1442924480;assbot;Coinbase Files 9 Patents for Bitcoin Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKw3SB ) 1282341;1442925087;punkman;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/c9/f3/59c9f3086d79f0af29c2f3f4d2c7a893.jpg 1282342;1442925088;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKwc8L ) 1282343;1442925880;shinohai;http://www.cio.com/article/2985252/us-congress-members-urged-to-communicate-using-encrypted-apps.html "The encryption used by communications apps such as WhatsApp is stronger than those of phone networks, says ACLU" 1282344;1442925882;assbot;US Congress members urged to communicate using encrypted apps | CIO ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsJZJQ ) 1282345;1442925900;shinohai;My sides may split permanently. 1282346;1442926464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16512 @ 0.00075703 = 12.5001 BTC [+] 1282347;1442928771;mircea_popescu;shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules. 1282348;1442928780;mircea_popescu;or in other words, not like she's the only one there neh ? 1282349;1442928867;shinohai;Duly noted. No responses from anyone else yet but I'm actually enjoying art perusal so no biggie. 1282350;1442928957;mircea_popescu;then this was made for you. 1282351;1442928984;mircea_popescu;check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people! 1282352;1442928988;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282294 << selective breeding works, but is the exact opposite of what i meant - which was something more like a (hypothetical) electric implant that gives you iron determination at the push of a button 1282353;1442928988;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 06:04:20; mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em. 1282354;1442929001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahahaha come on. 1282355;1442929010;mircea_popescu;you know that long existed. 1282356;1442929020;mircea_popescu;it's called a lobotomy! 1282357;1442929029;asciilifeform;picture the opposite of lobotomy 1282358;1442929035;mircea_popescu;(oh but you meant - do what i mean! not what i say!) 1282359;1442929038;funkenstein_;http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fed-cred-dead/ 1282360;1442929041;assbot;Fed Cred Dead | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfGj3t ) 1282361;1442929049;mircea_popescu;alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to. 1282362;1442929062;asciilifeform;'i meant what i said and i said what i meant!' (tm) (r) 1282363;1442929064;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ am i very lame if i have nfi who that is ? 1282364;1442929088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: engineer exists in order to take 'there's a reason why things work as nature intended' and feed it its own arse 1282365;1442929090;funkenstein_;notrly, he makes some nice pieces from time to time though 1282366;1442929100;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform THINGS. 1282367;1442929105;asciilifeform;incl. people 1282368;1442929108;asciilifeform;who, for instance, lack wings 1282369;1442929110;mircea_popescu;would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ? 1282370;1442929193;asciilifeform;note that i did not say that we are ~likely~ to live to see this kind of trick. research has been just about entirely in the lobotomy direction, rather than this, no prizes for guessing why. 1282371;1442929207;mircea_popescu;research is never in a direction in this sense. 1282372;1442929225;mircea_popescu;im sure if "stick a knife in his eye socket and push up" thing resulted in a coolotomy, 1282373;1442929228;mircea_popescu;nobody'd have protested. 1282374;1442929325;asciilifeform;this is true. but think of modern pharma, where one really ~does~ 'pick direction' in the sense that there are, say, 100M synthesizable compounds you can work with 1282375;1442929392;mircea_popescu;looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers" 1282376;1442929403;mircea_popescu;100m cocks in attendance or not, she ain't picking any directions. 1282377;1442929555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'direction' here is not in the sense of 'chemist knows the effect' - as i described in earlier threads, the models are shoddier than pretty much anyone involved in that racket is willing to admit in public. i was speaking in the sense of what usg permits to be fed to people, for test, and thereafter sold 1282378;1442929608;funkenstein_;"Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about the data, and the median growth projection, and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building." 1282379;1442929613;mircea_popescu;not like that is any sort of limit of any practical importance. 1282380;1442929633;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ not bad. who ? 1282381;1442929640;asciilifeform;!s dopamine reuptake 1282382;1442929641;assbot;7 results for 'dopamine reuptake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dopamine+reuptake 1282383;1442929643;asciilifeform;^example 1282384;1442929644;funkenstein_;previous link ;) 1282385;1442929668;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ guy should work for qntra. 1282386;1442929683;mircea_popescu;dja know 'im ? 1282387;1442929694;funkenstein_;not personally but followed for ages 1282388;1442929722;mircea_popescu;http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HistoryoftheFuture_Thumb.jpg << omaigawd the stench of poverty in the shape of self published wonk. 1282389;1442929723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfI3tv ) 1282390;1442929736;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ so maybe it's time to make acquaintance! 1282391;1442929775;*;funkenstein_ makes it so 1282392;1442929790;mircea_popescu;"sprezzatura" first commenter ? oh COME ON 1282393;1442929793;mircea_popescu;guy'd murder here. 1282394;1442929804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kunstler is, one of, orlov's mega-favourites. but i was never able to stomach his output. 1282395;1442929838;mircea_popescu;"The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ? 1282396;1442929862;asciilifeform;that one's entirely readable, but like mr o, he tends to repeat himself. 1282397;1442929898;mircea_popescu;http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Kunstler-Logo-2-res72-final-e1372906270122.png << i wonder if he knows about crna macka, beli macor. 1282398;1442929899;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfICDt ) 1282399;1442930141;mircea_popescu;"Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He 1282400;1442930142;mircea_popescu; has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields." 1282401;1442930167;mircea_popescu;he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk. 1282402;1442930195;asciilifeform;scandalous anthropologist ? 1282403;1442930200;asciilifeform;how? 1282404;1442930204;mircea_popescu;what exactly architecture would have to do with this is anyone's guess. 1282405;1442930229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do" 1282406;1442930258;mircea_popescu;(which happens to be true, architects know a lot about how buildings may be, and for this reason nothing about buildings that are) 1282407;1442930268;asciilifeform;this is solidly true 1282408;1442930283;mircea_popescu;just like no sane person takes smoking advice from gps. 1282409;1442930286;asciilifeform;esp. in usa, where they get a three week course on 'why it stands up' and four years of postmodernist claptrap 1282410;1442930287;mircea_popescu;GPs. 1282411;1442930315;mircea_popescu;the three week course being in fact the whole profession 1282412;1442930318;asciilifeform;aha 1282413;1442930350;asciilifeform;if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. 1282414;1442930362;*;mircea_popescu still knows how to calc it all by hand. 1282415;1442930371;mircea_popescu;INCLUDING the derivates aha. 1282416;1442930371;*;asciilifeform same 1282417;1442930403;asciilifeform;this was still taught in school, even in usa, when i was a kid. 1282418;1442930418;mircea_popescu;well it's such an obvious application of number analysis 101 1282419;1442930429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11405 @ 0.00076029 = 8.6711 BTC [+] {3} 1282420;1442930433;mircea_popescu;"oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts" 1282421;1442930433;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread: i have a sequel! to the broomstick story! here goes. 1282422;1442930565;asciilifeform;one day mircea_popescu opens an opthamologist's practice! everyone lines up, wants to give it a try! fella walks in, 'i need new spectacles, measure my eyes.' mircea_popescu hands him... a nagant, polished, izhevsk 1941 mark visible, clean, one round in the drum. 'eat.' patient: ??? mircea_popescu: 'you can come back for this later, go home, have some children, raise'em poor and make sure the nearsighted ones die!' 1282423;1442930575;mircea_popescu;(exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".) 1282424;1442930611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i die anytime soon i will be a fabulous character of folk history won't i. 1282425;1442930616;asciilifeform;aha 1282426;1442930627;asciilifeform;like haja nasredin, but better! 1282427;1442930630;mircea_popescu;with rifles. 1282428;1442930638;mircea_popescu;afanti with rifles. 1282429;1442930673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075703 = 27.4802 BTC [-] 1282430;1442930717;mircea_popescu;(and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps) 1282431;1442930797;asciilifeform;modern man-lite is guiltier of pyramids than of mud huts, but will transition smoothly to mud hut soon enough 1282432;1442930823;mircea_popescu;modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives. 1282433;1442930833;mircea_popescu;then people wonder why boko haram, and why all the rest. srsly ? 1282434;1442930878;phf;can teach them scientology 1282435;1442930898;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.) 1282436;1442930908;mircea_popescu;phf no he can't. for one thing - no license. 1282437;1442930911;mircea_popescu;hurrrrr 1282438;1442930985;mircea_popescu;to quote specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-09-2015#1281344 1282439;1442930985;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you 1282440;1442930994;mircea_popescu;little thought is given to "what did the daughter go there AS ?" 1282441;1442931005;mircea_popescu;"i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet." 1282442;1442931011;mircea_popescu;"so i'm helping." 1282443;1442931101;mircea_popescu;volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ? 1282444;1442931117;mircea_popescu;teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there. 1282445;1442931126;asciilifeform;poul anderson's short story 'the man who came early' is about this. 1282446;1442931149;asciilifeform;american bloke, circa 1950s, is in the army, falls into a time warp in iceland, ends up in 13th c. 1282447;1442931157;asciilifeform;tries and comically fails to teach folks anything useful 1282448;1442931182;mircea_popescu;no bark where they lived ? 1282449;1442931190;mircea_popescu;antipyretics, already a lot. 1282450;1442931198;asciilifeform;no bark ~in his pathetic head~ 1282451;1442931218;mircea_popescu;what is this, the brave private svjeik ? 1282452;1442931227;asciilifeform;for instance, 'i'm good with metals!' -- 'what am i to do with this forge!?!!' 1282453;1442931255;*;mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee. 1282454;1442931262;mircea_popescu;is still impressed at the quality of the final blade. 1282455;1442931282;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the cheat is in the fact that the 'from scratch' folks do not actually have to do the metallurgy 1282456;1442931295;mircea_popescu;you recall the thing i mean ? 1282457;1442931297;asciilifeform;they can start with mineral from nowhere near home, pre-refined 1282458;1442931305;asciilifeform;the shovel kalash ? 1282459;1442931308;mircea_popescu;no, he started with stuff from the bottom of a lake. 1282460;1442931308;mircea_popescu;no. 1282461;1442931332;phf;(http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg) 1282462;1442931340;phf;asciilifeform: ^ 1282463;1442931359;mircea_popescu;very metallurgy 1282464;1442931365;mircea_popescu;i still suspect shenanigans re final piece, but hey. 1282465;1442931372;asciilifeform;not clear from the picture what the provenance of the 'thing from the lake' was. 1282466;1442931378;asciilifeform;could be from old car. 1282467;1442931405;phf;http://jarkko1.deviantart.xyz/art/raudan-valmistus-324286519 1282468;1442931407;assbot;raudan valmistus by jarkko1 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfNbOi ) 1282469;1442931412;phf;"Searching and collecting the bog iron ore from the bottom of the river." 1282470;1442931412;mircea_popescu;pic 5 has it ground to dust 1282471;1442931415;asciilifeform;likewise, yes, the knife is shiny, but how do we know it cuts ? 1282472;1442931424;asciilifeform;and cuts what, for how long, etc. 1282473;1442931438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean specifically the shape of the blade. very elegant. 1282474;1442931446;asciilifeform;ah 1282475;1442931449;asciilifeform;sure. 1282476;1442931486;*;asciilifeform bbl 1282477;1442932349;mircea_popescu;"Now its all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesnt even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack 1282478;1442932349;mircea_popescu;et reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this." 1282479;1442932374;mircea_popescu;this is perfectly valid a point. it is unclear if vietnam cripple or new-new-new-new-feminism cripple are in a worse situation. 1282480;1442932385;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, yeah, they dun got raped. 1282481;1442932452;davout;'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek 1282482;1442932486;mircea_popescu;does anyone even use that thing ? 1282483;1442932505;*;mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand". 1282484;1442932530;davout;it gets old quickly, tried to order prostitutes, did not work, useless 1282485;1442932565;mircea_popescu;"siri bitch, got any homeho's to get this party started???" 1282486;1442932612;davout;siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames 1282487;1442932654;mircea_popescu;there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people 1282488;1442932670;mircea_popescu;and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are. 1282489;1442932747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9449 @ 0.00075703 = 7.1532 BTC [-] 1282490;1442932779;mircea_popescu;"Meanwhile, what remains on the other head of this two-headed economy besides driving to-and-from the Walmart? Pornography? The tattoo industry? Meth and narcotics? Prostitution? Professional sports on the flat screen? Kim and Kanye? Grand theft auto? Do you really think Donald Trump can fix this?" << prostitution. 1282491;1442932801;mircea_popescu;i foresee a great industry of buying american third gendered persons by the pound, 1282492;1442932809;davout;gross 1282493;1442932810;mircea_popescu;"processing" them 1282494;1442932815;mircea_popescu;then selling the survivors by the head. 1282495;1442932837;mircea_popescu;pay 2 maybe even 3 dollars a pound, 1282496;1442932844;mircea_popescu;actual workable women still fetch 10-15k a head. 1282497;1442932885;mircea_popescu;at 500 lbs average and with a 30% survival rate the numbers show a 300% gross margin available 1282498;1442932891;mircea_popescu;to pay for the processing. 1282499;1442932938;mircea_popescu;i suppose we could call this... 5th wave feminism. 1282500;1442932995;mircea_popescu;could probably cut a deal with the cities so that they install solid bars spaced one foot apart somewhere downtown, circumscribing a sort of pen, then the police just dumps whoever in there. if they manage to go through the bars, or whatever, if someone lifts them up fine. 1282501;1442932999;mircea_popescu;if not, sunday's buy day. 1282502;1442933034;davout;haha 1282503;1442933064;mircea_popescu;"sir... would you not like... to eat salami... of a sensitive artist...like me ????" 1282504;1442933117;mircea_popescu;for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question. 1282505;1442934009;punkman;eww, who'd want to eat american hamplanet 1282506;1442934020;funkenstein_;i can't imagine you'd find buyers in the end but throw it up on kickstarter anyway? 1282507;1442934097;mircea_popescu;punkman other ones. 1282508;1442934099;mircea_popescu;"You are SO on the mark my friend. Nothing has improved unless you are a wall street banker public employee or large corporation. All of the above we can do without. There was and is nothing better than that small town america pre I phone and internet." 1282509;1442934106;mircea_popescu;oh what the everloving fuck. seriously ? 1282510;1442934119;mircea_popescu;the only thing good about that america was that it kept to its stupid self and i never ran into it. 1282511;1442934158;mircea_popescu;punkman besides, think about all the valuable prion research this would usher in. GOOD FOR SCIENCE. 1282512;1442934307;funkenstein_;"That site is welcome to republish my Monday blog. Other sites do. Be my guest." 1282513;1442934347;mircea_popescu;interesting how failure works in humans. 1282514;1442934365;funkenstein_;It's a cook book! 1282515;1442934419;mircea_popescu;and it has one meal. "i dunno about that and i'm important so... how about that happens in terms im familiar with ?" 1282516;1442934605;funkenstein_;sorta like.. learn variety speak? 1282517;1442934631;BingoBoingo; if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. << When my youngest brother went on campus visits to engineering programs the Engineering College Dean joked that the architecture school was full of the Civil engineering program's failures 1282518;1442934658;mike_c;heh. and civil is full of mech eng failures 1282519;1442934796;funkenstein_;nah, variety speak is pretty open terminology compared to above failure mode 1282520;1442934953;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Brother's doing mech, graduated this spring, decided to stay there a while longer 1282521;1442934978;mike_c;ah, congrats to him. he's two orders of magnitude smarter than an architect :) 1282522;1442934985;BingoBoingo;lol 1282523;1442935089;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ for instance. but it's deeper than that, it's a strange thing. sort-of like "this is alien and so before anything it must prove its value to me in my own terms". 1282524;1442935109;mircea_popescu;somehow emitter is completely unable to notice that means IT WILL KILL YOU then. 1282525;1442935127;mircea_popescu;but somehow still knows it enough to go about making laws about how BAD killing is. you know... in general. 1282526;1442935144;mircea_popescu;just in that [unthinkable!!!1] case where someone might want to. why would they!!! inconceivabru!!1 1282527;1442935162;mircea_popescu;the sane "this is alien therefore must investigate" is rare enough to be usable as a selection heuristic. 1282528;1442935199;mircea_popescu;mike_c or at least two degrees of separation. 1282529;1442935212;BingoBoingo;Eh, kunstler is old enough father time will probably get him before you do mircea_popescu 1282530;1442935234;mircea_popescu;i wasn't even proposing i was. who cares, yet another blogger. 1282531;1442935252;mircea_popescu;but, induction. that age old method to derive value from worthless ingredients. 1282532;1442935258;BingoBoingo;Ah 1282533;1442935284;BingoBoingo;!up thstringpuller 1282534;1442935312;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you will notice (im not even sure if that was attempted sarcasm or not tbf) that the imperative to learn variety speak is not so i can understand the othjer, but so that the other can begin to think. 1282535;1442935319;thstringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lxbp0/coinbase_files_9_patents_for_bitcoin_products/ << anyone following the patent story? 1282536;1442935321;assbot;Coinbase Files 9 Patents for Bitcoin Products : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhtW5 ) 1282537;1442935325;mircea_popescu;language is still the cheapest "mind amplifier" the world knows, to borrow an alfism. 1282538;1442935333;mircea_popescu;and if properly curated it does actually work. 1282539;1442935346;mircea_popescu;unlike the more expensive ones. which - don't. 1282540;1442935348;thstringpuller;"20150262176, “Hot Wallet For Holding Bitcoin”; 1282541;1442935348;thstringpuller;20150262172, “User Private Key Control”; 1282542;1442935348;thstringpuller;20150262171, “Bitcoin Private Key Splitting For Cold Storage” 1282543;1442935348;thstringpuller;20150262168, “Instant Exchange”; 1282544;1442935348;thstringpuller;20150262141, “Personal Vault”; 1282545;1442935350;thstringpuller;20150262140, “Send Bitcoin To Email Address”; 1282546;1442935353;thstringpuller;20150262139, “Bitcoin Exchange”; 1282547;1442935355;thstringpuller;20150262138, “Tip Button”; 1282548;1442935358;thstringpuller;20150262137, “Off-Block Chain Transactions In Combination With On-Block Chain Transactions.” 1282549;1442935365;mircea_popescu;!down thstringpuller 1282550;1442935375;mircea_popescu;da fuck was that! 1282551;1442935377;funkenstein_;aha thanks :) 1282552;1442935397;mircea_popescu;oh wait i think his list was 9 items long 1282553;1442935398;funkenstein_;in lulzier news http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png 1282554;1442935398;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhEk9 ) 1282555;1442935400;mircea_popescu;!up thstringpuller 1282556;1442935430;BingoBoingo;TIL XTCoin is full of hamplanets https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ltau7/im_building_a_dice_game_and_want_to_integrate/cva0jz2 1282557;1442935432;assbot;Hannott comments on Im building a dice game and want to integrate bitcoin like Satoshi Dice and Bitpotato... ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhHg2 ) 1282558;1442935464;mircea_popescu;"integrate bitcoin" ? 1282559;1442935477;mircea_popescu;da fuck. how does that game even exist otherwise. 1282560;1442935493;mircea_popescu;hi guise i am running linux and i thought i'd integrate the kernel. 1282561;1442935521;*;mircea_popescu didn't even know kernel was differentiable. 1282562;1442935642;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png << this is pretty much the entire story of "hyip". 1282563;1442935643;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhEk9 ) 1282564;1442935650;mircea_popescu;sort of a diy scam thing. 1282565;1442935730;mircea_popescu;also, am i the only one that thinks the butch cassidy&sundance kid film utterly sucked ? 1282566;1442935749;mircea_popescu;i dunno why people are so gaga over it (in the us only - nobody cares afaik outside of the pesthole) 1282567;1442935782;mike_c;I found it enjoyable. 1282568;1442935795;mike_c;newman and redford are good together 1282569;1442935819;mircea_popescu;i guess in an unstated solaris kind of way. 1282570;1442935826;mircea_popescu;but that's not really about the film, is it ? 1282571;1442935838;mircea_popescu;"here's an oreo wrapper with two mugs on it, bring your own film." 1282572;1442935885;mike_c;I don't think it's amazing as a film, but I've seen it a few times. 1282573;1442935885;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1282574;1442935894;mircea_popescu;at the very least the question as to WHY the phenomena observable take place is left entirely to the viewer. to my mind this disqualifies it. 1282575;1442935901;mircea_popescu;but maybe i'm just being academitarded. 1282576;1442935935;mike_c;I like it like the spaghetti westerns. Just good popcorn movies. 1282577;1442935958;mircea_popescu;so this is basically the porn argument ? "i dunno man, i just like how those two tits match visually ? it's an aesthetic thing." ? 1282578;1442935999;mircea_popescu;i always thought the spaghetti westerns were parodic, which makes them more palatable. tho i can't say i ever liked one. 1282579;1442936027;mike_c;It's newman and redford - Nobody (should) be taking it too seriously. 1282580;1442936047;*;shinohai eagerly awaits The Hateful Eight. 1282581;1442936048;mircea_popescu;redford is mostly that policeman tv series to me. but newman made excellent films. 1282582;1442936066;mircea_popescu;and yeah some pretty shitty ones. 1282583;1442936107;mike_c;My issue with a lot of older movies like that is the love interest plotline would have been better left on the cutting room floor 1282584;1442936144;mircea_popescu;wait there was erotic interest in that ?! 1282585;1442936219;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, anyone remember barefoot in the park ? with a thoroughly indigestible barbarella, she could have been diaz in very bad things) 1282586;1442936251;mircea_popescu;and speaking of very bad things, anyone seen that thing ? it's... hm. i humbly suggest it to the feminist hating crowd! 1282587;1442936258;funkenstein_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEFnZP5X8Q <-- saw live a month ago, great show 1282588;1442936260;assbot;PRIMUS: SPAGHETTI WESTERN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjstq ) 1282589;1442936369;punkman;http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/wp-content/uploads/POD0710.jpg "Local nuclear energy guarantees a lively future" 1282590;1442936370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjKRk ) 1282591;1442936379;punkman;http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/fukushima/ 1282592;1442936381;assbot;FUKUSHIMA - podniesinski.pl ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjLEE ) 1282593;1442936394;mircea_popescu;ahahaah 1282594;1442937158;shinohai;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one. 1282595;1442937159;assbot;The future of Bitcoin could be as anonymous and private as Tor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOmAWp ) 1282596;1442937195;mircea_popescu;lol. 1282597;1442937262;mircea_popescu;the "future of bitcoin" will be bitcoin, and it will be pointedly NOT "as anonymous and private" as a made-for-usg fake anon/privacy hangout. at the very least for as long as i'm around. 1282598;1442937299;shinohai;Just make an altcoin and leave bitcoin to do what it does. 1282599;1442937328;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. in other news, "Those who are interested in Trump are voting for a stop to the illegal immigration and the flooding of America with future Democrats who will have no jobs and live off food stamps, but are convinced the Democrats will keep their new way of life alive." 1282600;1442937353;mircea_popescu;just like the libertard just went and made his country in africa and lived there happily ever after. 1282601;1442937372;mircea_popescu;the entire fucking plan is to spend other people's money. 1282602;1442937430;mircea_popescu;and for that, you gotta pretend you're part of something worth something. cant just go out in the field. they've not yet invented the saprophytical parasite. 1282603;1442937841;mircea_popescu;"Likewise, barter is a very awkward way of doing business, especially when the other party to a deal is across the world. Thats why gold has acted as the medium of exchange for 5000 years or so and why gold or a gold-backed paper certificate will eventually replace all the fiat money that exists today." 1282604;1442937842;mircea_popescu;ehehehe. 1282605;1442938190;shinohai;umm .... ok because the gold standard worked out so well before. 1282606;1442938257;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1282607;1442938357;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282483 << where did mircea_popescu unearth the ipNohe ??! took it off a dead usg agent ? 1282608;1442938357;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 14:35:05; *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand". 1282609;1442938453;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i had an ipad for a while doing game research. 1282610;1442938458;mircea_popescu;the shit s.mg pays me for :D 1282611;1442938463;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282504 << people complain about pharmaceutically-polluted chickens and now we are to eat ~THIS~ ?!! l0l! 1282612;1442938463;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 14:45:17; mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question. 1282613;1442938490;mircea_popescu;people may complain, but people eat. 1282614;1442938491;mircea_popescu;so... 1282615;1442938516;ascii_field;'them short pig ran out, we eat long pig now' 1282616;1442938539;mircea_popescu;i really like my idea of the foot-apart steel pillar pen. 1282617;1442938548;mircea_popescu;self-testing. 1282618;1442938590;ascii_field;i don't actually know anyone, afaik, who could not - if with some effort - fit through that 1282619;1442938610;ascii_field;fat compresses. 1282620;1442938620;mircea_popescu;heh. 1282621;1442938640;mircea_popescu;I THOUGHT THEY WERE BIG BONED 1282622;1442938654;*;ascii_field pictures a t. rex 1282623;1442938901;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282594 << l0l, догоним и перегоним америку in derpatronics ! 1282624;1442938901;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 15:52:38; shinohai: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one. 1282625;1442939031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075703 = 15.1406 BTC [-] 1282626;1442939368;ascii_field;'Bitcoin did not respond to a request for comment about TRR.' << he died, motherfuckerz ! have el minimo respeto por los derpadores !!11 1282627;1442939410;shinohai;xD 1282628;1442939418;mircea_popescu;lol 1282629;1442939426;mircea_popescu;wtf is that ? 1282630;1442939487;mircea_popescu;so facebook supports non-rsa-only pgp ? heh mkay. 1282631;1442939565;ascii_field;l0l wat !? 1282632;1442939569;ascii_field;specifically non-rsa ? 1282633;1442939593;mircea_popescu;i dunno they keep derping about how they support ecc and how great it is and how blabla. protonmail. 1282634;1442939595;ascii_field;and what's it mean to 'support' pgp ? 1282635;1442939600;mircea_popescu;nfi. 1282636;1442939611;ascii_field;what, i can't walk over and drop in a base64 turd ? 1282637;1442939619;ascii_field;into the comment box or whatever 1282638;1442939756;mircea_popescu;you don;t understand how the world works. 1282639;1442939772;ascii_field;evidently. 1282640;1442939852;ascii_field;' S obtains a list of online TRR nodes and their public keys then selects three to five nodes randomly to form a routing. We call the first node of the routing the ‘starting node’ and the last node the 1282641;1442939852;ascii_field;7 1282642;1442939852;ascii_field;‘releasing node’. S generates a pair of public keys to encrypt the return data then inserts the public key into the routing information for each node...' << tor, snore. 1282643;1442940118;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1282644;1442940148;ascii_field;aaaaand we get to the point where they advocate the use of ecc 1282645;1442940169;ascii_field;aha, let's Run Moar Ecc! in real time! with average pc rng ! 1282646;1442940171;ascii_field;sure. 1282647;1442940176;mircea_popescu;ayup 1282648;1442940864;mircea_popescu;!up BitcoinConsultan 1282649;1442940869;mircea_popescu;is that armenian ? 1282650;1442941067;kakobrekla;!rate BitcoinConsultan 1 gonna do some work for me 1282651;1442941067;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b93c8571f17cfee7 1282652;1442941140;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.BitcoinConsultan.1:93a7e68ec9677527ce4b06b9cb75c0f7dbebadac211fdbb3adb559f55a8034b0 1282653;1442941140;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for BitcoinConsultan with note: gonna do some work for me 1282654;1442941202;kakobrekla;!gettrust BitcoinConsultan 1282655;1442941203;assbot;Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user BitcoinConsultan: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=kakobrekla&to=BitcoinConsultan | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/ 1282656;1442941245;kakobrekla;well this is awkward 1282657;1442941288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00075703 = 21.1211 BTC [-] 1282658;1442941289;mircea_popescu;what is ? 1282659;1442941300;kakobrekla;how am i suppose to get keyid 1282660;1442941305;kakobrekla;who made this thing anyway!! 1282661;1442941317;mircea_popescu;o.O 1282662;1442941340;kakobrekla;btcalpha is delayed right 1282663;1442941345;mircea_popescu;mike_c would it be possible to have calls to http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/ check on the spot ? 1282664;1442941346;assbot;WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1YzPM7E ) 1282665;1442941735;kakobrekla;or !keyid perhaps 1282666;1442941777;mircea_popescu;!whois kakobrekla 1282667;1442941809;assbot; nfi 1282668;1442941810;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you know, !gettrust could say BitcoinConsultan (soandso) instead of just BitcoinConsultan. 1282669;1442941824;mircea_popescu;proper-er form anyway. 1282670;1442941833;mircea_popescu;actually, no. 1282671;1442941836;mircea_popescu;!gettrust mircea_popescu 1282672;1442941836;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/ 1282673;1442941868;mircea_popescu;should read : Trust relationship from mircea_popescu to 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 (mircea_popescu) 1282674;1442941885;shinohai;dat infinity trust 1282675;1442941910;mircea_popescu;some dogs more trusty than others yo! 1282676;1442941912;ascii_field;what next, self-negrates ? 1282677;1442941931;mircea_popescu;!rate mircea_popescu 10 Bro! 1282678;1442941931;assbot;You can not rate yourself. 1282679;1442941957;shinohai;!rated mircea_popescu 1282680;1442941957;assbot;You have not rated mircea_popescu. 1282681;1442941962;shinohai;O.o 1282682;1442941967;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1282683;1442941970;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1282684;1442941984;ascii_field;legend has it that kara mustafa pasha rated himself -10 after failing to seize vienna 1282685;1442942020;mircea_popescu;his name was LALA 1282686;1442942025;shinohai;!rate mircea_popescu 1 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. 1282687;1442942025;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8f74a0ec10668141 1282688;1442942058;mircea_popescu;best whore name ever. 1282689;1442942072;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:1105ef4146cf896779115b949a7ae88ba71aec75ff8d03dd240e0c52de3ab255 1282690;1442942072;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. 1282691;1442942084;shinohai;Now I feel better. 1282692;1442942282;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yes 1282693;1442942292;mike_c;sort of. 1282694;1442942301;mike_c;I'll take a look. 1282695;1442942304;mircea_popescu;well, meanwhile we figured out change in assbot response saner solution 1282696;1442942317;mircea_popescu;but in principle if it's feasible it wouldn't hurt also. 1282697;1442942774;mike_c;kakobrekla: btcalpha eats the nightly db dumps 1282698;1442943057;mike_c;problem with doing it live is that http://w.b-a.link/user/BitcoinConsultan doesn't have nearly as much info as the btcalpha user page 1282699;1442943058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky2Ikf ) 1282700;1442943067;mike_c;like registered since, fingerprint, etc. 1282701;1442943073;mike_c;just has trust ratings 1282702;1442943125;mike_c;but i could at least put that blob on the 'not found' page 1282703;1442943240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67596 @ 0.00075703 = 51.1722 BTC [-] 1282704;1442943789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140250 @ 0.00075479 = 105.8593 BTC [-] {5} 1282705;1442945377;kakobrekla;mike_c maybe not a bad idea 1282706;1442945401;kakobrekla;no rush tho 1282707;1442950031;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3le3dg/discussion_on_forum_stating_that_xt_is_a_failure/cv5mhwg 1282708;1442950033;assbot;BusyBeaverHP comments on Discussion on forum stating that XT is a failure. Thoughts? ... ( http://bit.ly/1V87Arh ) 1282709;1442950036;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1282710;1442950198;mircea_popescu;lol scamcoin of the day is not dead at all! 1282711;1442950209;mircea_popescu;just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy. 1282712;1442950499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0007519 = 6.9551 BTC [-] 1282713;1442950505;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1282714;1442950570;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282711 << 'that is not dead which can eternal lie...' (tm) 1282715;1442950570;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 19:30:09; mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy. 1282716;1442950589;ascii_field;and with strange eons, even sense may die 1282717;1442950613;mircea_popescu;sounds like a business! 1282718;1442950766;mircea_popescu;you know who else meets this description ? "team garza". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.0 1282719;1442950768;assbot;New Lending Platform BitLend.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kyh5oz ) 1282720;1442950928;mircea_popescu;!up ubbersith 1282721;1442951149;BingoBoingo;lol, that shorting charade https://imgur.com/BS9v4Ow 1282722;1442951150;assbot;circle pivots - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyhGXb ) 1282723;1442951202;shinohai;"team garza" I love it. 1282724;1442952163;ascii_field;'At DEC’s founding, the US Congress decided that the US government had bought too many computers, and decreed that no more would be bought until those machines already acquired were fully loaded. So DEC sold PDPs, not computers.' 1282725;1442952216;trinque;that's pretty good 1282726;1442952232;trinque;"No Mr Congressman, these are merely data processors which happen to be programmed." 1282727;1442952339;trinque;!up ascii_field 1282728;1442953274;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo further proof (if such were needed) that no usg/vc funded item is a bitcoin company. 1282729;1442953287;mircea_popescu;they may try to scam bitcoiners, for money, yes. but bitcoin companies they can not be. 1282730;1442953344;ascii_field;they ~are~ 'bitcoin companies' in the 'roach motel' sense 1282731;1442953357;ascii_field;'feel free to put it ~in~, just don't expect it to come out again' 1282732;1442953366;ascii_field;'spreading on bread - works!!111' 1282733;1442953387;mircea_popescu;how is this a bitcoin company ? 1282734;1442953396;ascii_field;how is 'roach motel' a motel ? 1282735;1442953397;mircea_popescu;is the miniguillotine a masturbation tool ? 1282736;1442953402;ascii_field;dulap! 1282737;1442953435;ascii_field;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roach_Motel_%28insect_trap%29 << the american traditional artifact in question 1282738;1442953436;assbot;Roach Motel (insect trap) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuoXfT ) 1282739;1442953441;mircea_popescu;oh 1282740;1442953448;mircea_popescu;i thought you just meant "shitty hotel" 1282741;1442953455;ascii_field;nah 1282742;1442953478;ascii_field;'Black Flag also marketed a related insect trap, the "Flyport," designed to deal with unwanted flying insects like houseflies, with the tagline, "Lots of arrivals, but no departures!"' << l0l 1282743;1442953484;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would anyone buy this ? 1282744;1442953510;mircea_popescu;seems like a terrible idea. 1282745;1442953516;ascii_field;doesn't it ? 1282746;1442953562;mircea_popescu;for one thing, cockroach infestations only become perceptible to average human after dozens of lbs of cockroach matter are moving around. 1282747;1442953588;ascii_field;aha 1282748;1442953594;ascii_field;i thought this was well-known. 1282749;1442953617;mircea_popescu;i guess the problems in the ustard head are actually there. same sort of thinking that creates "war on drugs" creates this thing, too. 1282750;1442953634;mircea_popescu;unsustainable and provably-won't-solve-the-problem but hey, it has a nice package! 1282751;1442953640;ascii_field;my understanding is that the 'motel' notion was partly a misguided variation on the usual rodent trap, and partly a cynical scam (there could never be, clearly, anything like sufficient room in the trap, but it will superficially appear to 'work') 1282752;1442953644;trinque;you're being sold "I did something" 1282753;1442953648;ascii_field;^ 1282754;1442953715;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's these fluorescent + static things to murder flying bugs outside, at least those do something. 1282755;1442953730;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aaaactually it too is a scam! 1282756;1442953743;ascii_field;i have one. it mainly blows up beetles but does nothing against the real pestilence, the mosquito. 1282757;1442953759;mircea_popescu;well mosquitoes aren't light-navigators. 1282758;1442953760;ascii_field;spectacular snaps, crackles, pops, very little actual use. 1282759;1442953785;ascii_field;doesn't work even with the supposed lure 1282760;1442953793;ascii_field;(they fly straight through the grid) 1282761;1442953816;mircea_popescu;lol well get a thinner one eh. 1282762;1442953832;ascii_field;~100V/mm breakdown v of air at stp ! 1282763;1442953872;mircea_popescu;mosquito killer doesn't need that high voltage. 1282764;1442953961;mircea_popescu;http://www.mont.ro/stiri/?editia=20150905&pagina=1&articol=41500 1282765;1442953962;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXw3d1 ) 1282766;1442953968;ascii_field;the ~right thing~ would be a grid that is normally at low voltage but boosts to max if capacitance changes (bug touched) 1282767;1442953977;mircea_popescu;guy fucks 15 yo daughter of his gf. child results. is convicted, but suspended sentence. 1282768;1442953985;mircea_popescu;guy moves on to 15yo's sister. 1282769;1442954045;mircea_popescu;so he gets two years (plus two from the original, suspended sentence) 1282770;1442954220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61150 @ 0.00075146 = 45.9518 BTC [-] {4} 1282771;1442954919;jurov;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-australia-bitcoin-banking-idUSKCN0RM06020150922 1282772;1442954921;assbot;Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXxNDk ) 1282773;1442954930;jurov;no remittances, no butts! 1282774;1442955117;mircea_popescu;aww. 1282775;1442955155;jurov;best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt. 1282776;1442955206;jurov;wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." 1282777;1442955400;BingoBoingo; wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." << Hard to get the same level of repeat customers buying more every week 1282778;1442955472;jurov;then again, birds do catch them, you may want to replenish 1282779;1442955715;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282775 <<< we have bats that live in the barn across the road. They decimate the mosquito population nearby. 1282780;1442955715;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 20:52:35; jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt. 1282781;1442956147;gernika;I live about half a mile from the Pacific Coast. Constant cool breeze seems to have eliminated them completely. 1282782;1442956160;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1282783;1442956166;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/america-big-lie.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/0FH2STG << l0ltr0nic 1282784;1442956169;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRL4Pk ) 1282785;1442956170;assbot;dpaste: 0FH2STG ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRL55F ) 1282786;1442956428;BingoBoingo;Here we have trucks that go around farting fog that thin out, but do not eliminate mosquitoes 1282787;1442956485;ascii_field;here, we just have mosquitoes. 1282788;1442956504;gernika;and fireflies! 1282789;1442956591;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: You are prolly to close to the lizards and hippies for the fog trucks 1282790;1442956830;cazalla;seen felipelalli 1282791;1442956843;cazalla;or is it ;;? lastseen? it's early, anyone? 1282792;1442956902;cazalla;;;seen felipelalli 1282793;1442956902;gribble;felipelalli was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow. 1282794;1442956917;punkman;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-australia-bitcoin-banking-idUSKCN0RM06020150922 1282795;1442956919;assbot;Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXxNDk ) 1282796;1442956921;punkman;oops 1282797;1442956924;ascii_field;;;seen artifexd 1282798;1442956925;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1282799;1442956937;punkman;http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_porniest_grave_in_pariss_pere_lachaise_cemetery 1282800;1442956937;assbot;What a dick: The porniest grave in Paris’s Père Lachaise cemetery|Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRM6e1 ) 1282801;1442957002;cazalla;punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new 1282802;1442957298;BingoBoingo; punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new << This, someone had a slow news day and wanted to make a fuss 1282803;1442957461;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1282804;1442957475;PeterL;Hi Bingoboingo 1282805;1442957487;BingoBoingo;Hi PeterL, How's the lab? 1282806;1442957498;PeterL;It's okay 1282807;1442957521;PeterL;Nothing very interesting, just testing lots of Pepto-knockoff recently 1282808;1442957530;PeterL;stuff smells good 1282809;1442957700;PeterL;You follow college fooball? 1282810;1442957777;phf;op_checksig is horrendous 1282811;1442957840;PeterL;A while back mircea_popescu was amazed no US cell phones have free incoming: my cell phone is unlimited calling, therefore free incoming (MetroPCS) 1282812;1442957847;phf;the whole 10 step program of "take some bits and do some stuff with" them 1282813;1442957941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.00075674 = 46.9557 BTC [+] {3} 1282814;1442957945;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Been following it a Bit. I'm worried because Mizzou won its non-Conference schedule and Georgia beat SOuth Carolina. We might not take the SEC East this yeat. 1282815;1442957968;PeterL;They will if they keep winning 1282816;1442958007;BingoBoingo;They won't keep winning if they play like they did barely beating Arkansas State and U Conn 1282817;1442958011;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1282818;1442958014;PeterL;My Spartans got ranked #2, and the #1 OSU is looking pretty shaky, I don't think they will last long enough for us to knock them off their pedestal 1282819;1442958031;BingoBoingo;Yeah, OSU could go down to MSU 1282820;1442958055;PeterL;I wish more teams played good competition in their non-confrence schedules 1282821;1442958094;PeterL;I don't think a win over a FCS school should count on the record (but a loss should count as 2) 1282822;1442958135;BingoBoingo;I don't think Mizzou can and survive their non-divisional conference games without sever embarassment. Our big problem is Mauk lost the only recievers who can catch his passes and our elite running back sprained his ankle against Southeast Missouri... 1282823;1442958166;PeterL;makes it hard to win if you can't move the ball 1282824;1442958262;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Last year was had some very grabby recievers, but still won games on the ground. 1282825;1442958297;BingoBoingo;Which is kinda part of why Alabama killed us in the SEC championship. Hard to run against a fast 300-350 lb line 1282826;1442958343;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271995 << Heaviside sounds alot like the character Sheldon on "The Big Bang Theory" 1282827;1442958343;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2015 23:23:51; mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not 1282828;1442958382;PeterL;grabby receivers as in they catch all sorts of things? 1282829;1442958490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00075897 = 9.5516 BTC [+] {3} 1282830;1442958498;cazalla;BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261 1282831;1442958499;assbot;Islamic State using bitcoin to fulfil state-crafting ambitions - EconoTimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wh5UZD ) 1282832;1442958530;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Yeah, they caught all kinds of things that had no business at all being caught. 1282833;1442958601;BingoBoingo;PeterL: But at least for next year we've already signed a 3-star tight end and our next great white hope at quarterback is getting some game time this year as a true freshman 1282834;1442958650;PeterL;Why are so many quarterbacks white? And are there any good white running backs? 1282835;1442958665;BingoBoingo;Mauk will still have a year of eligibility next year, but he should convert nicely to backup QB and rare white running back 1282836;1442958672;BingoBoingo;High school peterl 1282837;1442958681;BingoBoingo;High school and Texas 1282838;1442958699;PeterL;Don't they have black kids in texas? 1282839;1442958768;PeterL;I think my HS football team had 4 black kids, and one of them was the running back. 1282840;1442958799;BingoBoingo;PeterL: They have black kids in texas, but they slot them into running back 1282841;1442958911;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282830 << until they carve public key on camera into the back of a prisoner or ten, how exactly could would-be donors know that they are sending to isis and not to usg ? 1282842;1442958911;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 21:48:18; cazalla: BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261 1282843;1442958940;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: No idea really 1282844;1442958955;mircea_popescu;jurov dragonflies only trhive in particular desert climate. 1282845;1442958981;jurov;i live in desert? 1282846;1442959024;jurov;pediwikia says they live anywhere except (sub)arctic 1282847;1442959038;ascii_field;when they lay out a quality rsa8192 in the desert using beheaded infidels, fresh and still spurting, then. 1282848;1442959066;ascii_field;(what is the minimum number of corpses required ?) 1282849;1442959084;mircea_popescu;jurov from what i've seen, it's a certain river + sandy dune thing they like. 1282850;1442959092;mircea_popescu;gotta have scorching sun + water source 1282851;1442959097;PeterL;ISIS could clearsign a statement with their donation address? Have they published any public keys to compare against? 1282852;1442959105;trinque;mircea_popescu: sounds quite like houston, haha 1282853;1442959108;ascii_field;PeterL: not afaik 1282854;1442959114;mircea_popescu;who do you know in isis PeterL ? 1282855;1442959121;ascii_field;PeterL: and even if they had, there is nothing to associate the keys with the genuine article 1282856;1442959131;PeterL;well, nobody, but I havn't been looking hard 1282857;1442959138;ascii_field;usg laughs when morons 'donate to isis' 1282858;1442959163;PeterL;didn't somebody here say that isis is just a usg puppet anyway? 1282859;1442959169;ascii_field;muppet 1282860;1442959173;mircea_popescu;so if you know nobody what are you going to verify it against. 1282861;1442959173;ascii_field;important difference. 1282862;1442959175;PeterL;convinient boogyman? 1282863;1442959202;mircea_popescu;ascii_field has these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history. 1282864;1442959209;mircea_popescu;thus things can be x and non x and back again. 1282865;1442959220;ascii_field;how's that 1282866;1442959269;mircea_popescu;isis wiped the us army 1282867;1442959271;mircea_popescu;"except not really" 1282868;1442959277;mircea_popescu;"us army wanted to be wiped anyway" 1282869;1442959279;ascii_field;'muppet' is to be understood as a kind of quasi-autonomous golem. 1282870;1442959281;mircea_popescu;"it was all planned" etc. 1282871;1442959306;mircea_popescu;quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history." 1282872;1442959310;ascii_field;a certain amount of 'u.s. army gets wiped' is always planned. at least on account of it never going 'all in' 1282873;1442959324;mircea_popescu;we don't agree on what planned means. 1282874;1442959325;ascii_field;last i heard, usg was not levelling syria with tactical nukes 1282875;1442959332;mircea_popescu;so ? 1282876;1442959363;mircea_popescu;last i heard germany is not levelling new york with tactical nukes either. 1282877;1442959381;mircea_popescu;'oh but germany couldn't, oinly us could" "how come ?" "it's part of my scenography for this bit of fan fiction" 1282878;1442959383;mircea_popescu;"aok then." 1282879;1442959385;ascii_field;germany is not sending squads of mercenaries to get own arses fed to them in new york 1282880;1442959395;mircea_popescu;and you know thios because none were caught ? 1282881;1442959428;ascii_field;for all i know, new york isn't even there any longer. been a while since i visited. 1282882;1442959519;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282871 << the basic textbook example is mujahedeen in afghan. 1282883;1442959519;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 22:01:46; mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history." 1282884;1442959548;mircea_popescu;the missing part of this "textbook" is how come there's no equivalent in say artic circle. 1282885;1442959576;ascii_field;i'd be surprised if usg had never tried to roust up rebellion among the chukchas 1282886;1442959590;ascii_field;but evidently it came to nothing. 1282887;1442959635;mircea_popescu;so then all this talk is really so much cockpulling. 1282888;1442959659;mircea_popescu;"oh our marketing made people do so and so". 1282889;1442959664;mircea_popescu;"really ? make them sit on a pineapple." 1282890;1442959672;mircea_popescu;"no, you can only make them do things they were gonna do anyway" 1282891;1442959677;ascii_field;inclined to do. 1282892;1442959680;mircea_popescu;"oh. useful! i hope you went to college for this." 1282893;1442959693;ascii_field;and it isn't 'make do', but 'supply arms' 1282894;1442959707;ascii_field;plenty of people 'would like'. 1282895;1442959724;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally. and if i go buy a twelve year old hooker in the DC, it's also the usg that supplied her right ? 1282896;1442959793;mircea_popescu;"The [Washington] Post lied to its readers by printing stories it knew were false," mmmkay. 1282897;1442959844;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1282898;1442959975;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i might be thick, but i entirely cannot see how the hooker connects. 1282899;1442960032;mircea_popescu;you have no better reason to pretend "x has arms because y" than to pretend "x has 12yo hooker because y". the choice of which of these to emphasize is the liberty of the scriptwriter in works of fiction. 1282900;1442960057;mircea_popescu;because that's the thing with fiction : it's nonsensical, which means you absolutely need a carefully curated set of sentences be considered 1282901;1442960061;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: so where did the arms, food, etc. come from ? fell from mars ? 1282902;1442960066;mircea_popescu;(aka suspension of disbelief) 1282903;1442960074;mircea_popescu;no, they bought some and stole the rest. 1282904;1442960079;mircea_popescu;where do things normally come from ? 1282905;1442960106;ascii_field;from crates dropped to aid 'syrian rebels' daily, for a year ? 1282906;1442960113;mircea_popescu;THEY STOLE THEM. 1282907;1442960138;mircea_popescu;your gambit is to administratively suspend isis' agency, because you're too enamoured with the usg and that requires you (also administratively) assign all agency to it. 1282908;1442960152;ascii_field;stole how? crate had address 'to rebels, but not THESE rebels' ?? 1282909;1442960163;mircea_popescu;they came upon an item and took it. 1282910;1442960166;mircea_popescu;what do you think theft is ? 1282911;1442960175;mircea_popescu;(hint : you can't donate to a mouse. it steals all it ever gets.) 1282912;1442960243;ascii_field;i suppose next mircea_popescu will reveal that usg dropped stingers 'for mujahedeen' but not for taliban. 1282913;1442960247;ascii_field;(technically true!) 1282914;1442960252;mircea_popescu;nobody cares what the usg "did" 1282915;1442960258;mircea_popescu;it does not have the capacity for agency, there. 1282916;1442960272;mircea_popescu;so it did exactrly nothing. the men i nthat relationship are non-us 1282917;1442960276;mircea_popescu;the us can't even consent. 1282918;1442960282;ascii_field;let's rephrase without the agency. 1282919;1442960287;mircea_popescu;curious how that'd go. 1282920;1442960291;ascii_field;it has pieces of itself, that come loose, like the zombies in 'quake' 1282921;1442960295;ascii_field;the pieces are edible. 1282922;1442960303;mircea_popescu;"usg spent some items to addresses it didn't have the key for. isis cracked the keys." 1282923;1442960309;ascii_field;has resources that get dropped in various places. 1282924;1442960326;mircea_popescu;so far sounds a lot like an apple tree. 1282925;1442960342;mircea_popescu;so i guess the real story here is, mujahedeen cultivated usg to provide them with apples. 1282926;1442960413;ascii_field;rather like nigerian petro thieves 'cultivate' the pipe they drill little holes into. 1282927;1442960445;mircea_popescu;or like greeks curate eu banks. 1282928;1442960448;mircea_popescu;do they ? don't they ? 1282929;1442960463;ascii_field;aha 1282930;1442960463;mircea_popescu;political choices are in the end nude exercises in narrative fiction. 1282931;1442960544;ascii_field;except that buried in all of these are actual questions of fact that have - somewhere - answers. such as 'does this army fully support itself on plunder, or needs external supply, and if so, from where' 1282932;1442960559;mircea_popescu;that is not an answer which can be made into a question. 1282933;1442960597;mircea_popescu;("our tanks photosynthesize now!!11 SUPPORTS ITSELF!!1") 1282934;1442960657;mircea_popescu;the very definition of army includes two points : a) that it does not support itself (if it did it'd be a stampede) ; b) that it makes up the difference through plunder. 1282935;1442960660;mircea_popescu;this is what an army is. 1282936;1442960669;mircea_popescu;the definition of inputs into the army camp is "plunder". 1282937;1442960741;ascii_field;but isis is being advertised as a conquering thing in the ancient sense. with territory held, administered, taxed 1282938;1442960750;mircea_popescu;advertised by whom where. 1282939;1442960791;mircea_popescu;as far as i can see the only salient points re isis are that a) has own agency ; b) percepibly unalligned to usg. 1282940;1442960804;ascii_field;by - supposedly - itself. but this is where we go back to 'i don't have a public key for it, so what, if anything, is to be taken as 'it said' is a ???.' 1282941;1442960879;mircea_popescu;we don't disagree there. 1282942;1442960929;*;ascii_field bbl 1282943;1442961567;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/cHxmW << awww. 1282944;1442961568;assbot;Increasing number of early adopters cashing out. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5uwJ ) 1282945;1442961593;mircea_popescu;anyway, the angry jealous poor club should take solace in the knowledge that i've shed more dollar value this calendar year than they will ever manage to see. 1282946;1442961612;BingoBoingo;lol 1282947;1442961725;BingoBoingo;The Bitcointalk crowd is hopelessly lost 1282948;1442961798;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy outcome, the stupid got left behind and then decided to give away their remaining asset and split up! 1282949;1442961810;mircea_popescu;so now there's going to be three-four meaningless forums + reddits + whatever else. 1282950;1442961824;mircea_popescu;fragmentation of the masses! for gleat gloly & justic!!1 1282951;1442961866;BingoBoingo;Of course. And each new one is less relevant than the old one. The old ones less relavant. More people hate Thermos than ever and they aren't even talking about his GLBSE shennanigans 1282952;1442961964;BingoBoingo;Apex reddit https://i.imgur.com/7Ldn6gD.jpg 1282953;1442961964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5Gfs ) 1282954;1442962116;BingoBoingo;noveltit http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3244843/A-23-year-old-woman-born-without-legs-making-living-lingerie-model.html 1282955;1442962120;assbot;Kanya Sesser born without legs makes a living as a lingerie model in LA | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5LzE ) 1282956;1442962306;BingoBoingo;Also, apparently scholarships for smarts are racis, or poor exclusionary or sometit https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/27/merit 1282957;1442962309;assbot;The Impact of Merit Scholarships | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5QU7 ) 1282958;1442962458;BingoBoingo;"The yield for those who received the $7,000 annual scholarships was 7.1 percent a statistically significant difference" ... lol "At the same time, the study suggests that the impact of this kind of merit aid may not be large -- the yield rate was low even for those receiving it." 1282959;1442962704;mircea_popescu;well they don't know about his glbse shenanigans 1282960;1442962718;mircea_popescu;and the people who know they don't read because omfg, that'd be giving in. 1282961;1442962721;mircea_popescu;and so... :D 1282962;1442962750;BingoBoingo;I thought it was more like 8:::::::D 1282963;1442962754;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1282964;1442962762;mircea_popescu;merit scholarships work in merit based societies. 1282965;1442962770;mircea_popescu;in the us, i am deeply unsurprised it would do nothing. 1282966;1442962774;mircea_popescu;same as in africa. 1282967;1442962811;mircea_popescu;"Critics have said that merit scholarships may help institutions, but dont truly help students (most recipients of merit scholarships have many options) or broad social needs in higher education (the merit awards divert attention and funds from the needs of low-income students)." 1282968;1442962816;BingoBoingo;They even work almost in USia. Just rare to find people who get them, because so many people got to the MIT-Harvard free if you aren't a Soros lottery 1282969;1442962817;mircea_popescu;o because needs matter amirite. 1282970;1442962822;BingoBoingo;srsly 1282971;1442962831;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton 1282972;1442962835;assbot;A Push for Need-Based Aid | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6bpz ) 1282973;1442962839;mircea_popescu;marxism went from an overgrown cult/self help weirdo club to this sort of implicit agreed upon mantra. 1282974;1442962855;BingoBoingo;It really did 1282975;1442962877;BingoBoingo;I'm not even sure if this is actually Marxism any more 1282976;1442962881;mircea_popescu;"there is relatively little research on the true impact of merit scholarships. " 1282977;1442962887;BingoBoingo;Might as well be Hegel 1282978;1442962900;mircea_popescu;you know, like there's relatively little research on the true benefits of hanging us academitards above a smoldering pit of hot peppers. 1282979;1442962909;mircea_popescu;i know i've not seen nearly enough of it yet to suit my tastes. 1282980;1442962920;BingoBoingo;Well, Maybe in 2020? 1282981;1442962935;mircea_popescu;pepperoni! 1282982;1442962952;BingoBoingo;lol, actuall hamplanet pepperoni 1282983;1442962958;mircea_popescu;aha. 1282984;1442963113;BingoBoingo;Just with actual pigs getting to 6-7 ft in length are hamplanets still really the long pig anymore? 1282985;1442963156;BingoBoingo;The ones that have gone feral in arkansas have been spotted and shot at 8-9 ft long... 1282986;1442963229;BingoBoingo;We may now be the short pork 1282987;1442963235;mircea_popescu;lol 1282988;1442963247;*;lobbes can't help but imagine feral hamplanets running around arkansas 1282989;1442963318;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Feral hamplanets don't run around. They stay indoors, in bed, and get "home health" nurses too keep them... cleaner... 1282990;1442963370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20475 @ 0.0007609 = 15.5794 BTC [+] 1282991;1442963375;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's kinda the thing with the earlier "oh, they'll get out of the pen, fat is compressible" 1282992;1442963381;mircea_popescu;no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry. 1282993;1442963408;BingoBoingo;It's compressible to a point, but the bigger point is most of them won't make it to the edge of the pen 1282994;1442963443;BingoBoingo;And the gateposts can always be made taller 1282995;1442963454;mircea_popescu;what gate ? 1282996;1442963456;mircea_popescu;no gate. 1282997;1442963504;BingoBoingo;the gate is the 1 ft space 1282998;1442963510;mircea_popescu;ah 1282999;1442963536;BingoBoingo;Round these parts we use gate to refer to ungated fence openings too 1283000;1442963701;BingoBoingo;Also, Ver can't to valid SSL cert https://archive.is/OLvvk 1283001;1442963702;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6MaM ) 1283002;1442963776;BingoBoingo;Also, Lafond had a solution to the 'Murican Professetorial socialist problem too http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2931 1283003;1442963777;assbot;JL: ‘Consumerist and Hyper-Protective’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6PUj ) 1283004;1442964217;shinohai;https://redd.it/3lv366 "If you truly believe that devices need to be loaded with Bitcoin, why wouldn't you just print out a QR, tape it to your Raspberry pi, and fund it with $700 in Bitcoin?" 1283005;1442964220;assbot;So... can we agree that 21 Inc is the Cue Cat of Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL78hG ) 1283006;1442964284;*;BingoBoingo actually would like a cue cat, not so much usg Po-Po plug 1283007;1442964485;BingoBoingo;https://www.librarything.com/more/store/cuecat 1283008;1442964486;assbot;Barcode scanners | LibraryThing ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL7epK ) 1283009;1442964501;*;shinohai hereby dubs the 21 by BingoBoingo 's name .. PoPo plug 1283010;1442964524;BingoBoingo;gotta keep the hyphen 1283011;1442964556;shinohai;I was too lazy to alt to the hyphen, using my ancient droid to irc. 1283012;1442964558;BingoBoingo;The Po-Po plug is a distant relative of the traditional urban American dance the 5-0 fondle 1283013;1442964741;gernika;1 month + later I make it past 367850. anyway. moving forward. 1283014;1442964768;shinohai;gratz gernika 1283015;1442964795;gernika;thanks shinohai 1283016;1442964834;shinohai;I'm at 320740 and climbing, slow but sue. 1283017;1442964837;shinohai;*sure 1283018;1442964916;mircea_popescu;actually 365 to 370k some of the messiest blocks in all of the chain 1283019;1442965017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00075463 = 52.6732 BTC [-] {4} 1283020;1442965064;shinohai;waiting on realbitcoin to sync at least gave me time to make a sweet tmux config for it. 1283021;1442965119;shinohai;amongst other things. 1283022;1442965122;BingoBoingo;365 to 370 has been the slowest part of my craptop sync so far 1283023;1442965245;gernika;Would like to get my machine in a DC - but the cheapest hosting rate for a 1U I can find around here is $200.00/mo. Which is 4x more than I last paid for the same service. 1283024;1442965271;shinohai;That's what I'm using, a cruddy old laptop. Glad it was in the library locked up really well. 1283025;1442965445;BingoBoingo;I've seen 1U hosting as low as $45-50 1283026;1442965717;shinohai;I might host a node down the road a bit, my experience trying this with Atlantic was less-than-stellar and set me back some. 1283027;1442965747;BingoBoingo;who is atlantic? 1283028;1442965768;shinohai;https://www.atlantic.net/ 1283029;1442965770;assbot;Atlantic.Net Cloud Server Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL7J2V ) 1283030;1442965783;BingoBoingo;fuck them 1283031;1442965799;shinohai;Got billed $250 for bandwidth overages 1283032;1442965836;shinohai;I still have an account, just not gonna try and run bitcoind there, especially when they don't have a clue what it is. 1283033;1442965878;shinohai;Accused me of "mining" from the get-go, shut me down, I bitched and got it back up only to be charged that insane fee. 1283034;1442965903;BingoBoingo;Well, merely running a node is a cpu hog 1283035;1442965994;shinohai;CS told me when I paid for initial service it wouldn't be a problem. I tried to explain it in the clearest way possible. 1283036;1442966054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43561 @ 0.0007598 = 33.0976 BTC [+] 1283037;1442966064;shinohai;I further explained the sheer idiocy of using a cloud instance to mine with, I wasn't some redditard from r/beermoney trying to collect dust. 1283038;1442966227;shinohai;Oh well, live and learn. 1283039;1442966359;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282971 << omg1111111111 i can't afford 'boeing' !! where is my NEED-BASED AID !??!! 1283040;1442966359;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 23:00:31; BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton 1283041;1442966414;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seriously of you can't affor quality student, just buy more poor students 1283042;1442966515;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282992 << what's the logic here...? 1283043;1442966515;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 23:09:41; mircea_popescu: no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry. 1283044;1442967199;shinohai;https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/646464253520662528 <<< looking like that, I'll bet she could disrupt damn near anything. 1283045;1442967581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's tyhe logic where! 1283046;1442967591;mircea_popescu;http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/22/controversial-drug-ceo-was-accused-of-serious-harassment.html << so it begins. 1283047;1442967593;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMzleT ) 1283048;1442967626;mircea_popescu;i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved. 1283049;1442967635;mircea_popescu;o wait. different film. 1283050;1442967719;cazalla;shinohai, tranny? 1283051;1442967764;phf;no an american woman 1283052;1442967825;*;BingoBoingo in other news is finally trolling craigslit looking for an affordable heavy bag + stand combo 1283053;1442967943;cazalla;stands are shit BingoBoingo put a pole and bracket up in ya backyard and hang off that 1283054;1442967952;mircea_popescu;^ 1283055;1442967994;BingoBoingo;This is going in a basement space where a prior retard fucking drywalled the basement ceiling 1283056;1442968067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61250 @ 0.00076138 = 46.6345 BTC [+] {3} 1283057;1442968364;shinohai;cazalla: could be, does have that Catlyn Jenner look going on. 1283058;1442968555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45766 @ 0.00075296 = 34.46 BTC [-] {3} 1283059;1442968738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00074798 = 40.9519 BTC [-] {3} 1283060;1442969010;deedbot-;[Trilema] Very Bad Things - http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/ 1283061;1442969592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20170 @ 0.00076163 = 15.3621 BTC [+] {3} 1283062;1442969735;danielpbarron;https://archive.is/SQvAX << doesn't this just sum up all of progressivism? "I have an excuse as to why I can't do X, but I'm sure someone else has it covered anyway." 1283063;1442969736;assbot;BECK$ on Twitter: "@danielpbarron I'm personally too busy to kick your ass but don't worry I'm sure someone else will" ... ( http://bit.ly/1WhlLYq ) 1283064;1442969867;*;BingoBoingo working on making sure someone else won't when it comes to kicking Bingo's ass 1283065;1442970055;*;BingoBoingo after last outing with steel pole in the back yard picked up a pair of sweet gel bag gloves today. The steel pole felt like butterfly kisses wearing them. 1283066;1442971389;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1283067;1442971396;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 231.05, vol: 19360.19909638 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.727, vol: 9050.40035 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 232.38, vol: 19624.07560481 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 233.75, vol: 1.0114 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 234.764763, vol: 22527.21820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 228.6, vol: 155.15770741 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 232.695018096, vol: 49.36617696 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1283068;1442972162;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283048 << i didn't see any mention of a da 1283069;1442972162;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 00:20:26; mircea_popescu: i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved. 1283070;1442972181;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282482 << daily, as a tea timer, albeit the worst tea timer there ever was (doesn't work X% of the time due to requiring internet connection) 1283071;1442972181;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 14:34:46; mircea_popescu: does anyone even use that thing ? 1283072;1442972218;asciilifeform;also usg giveth, usg taketh away. a 'pharma ceo' has so much as one cent purely by the good graces of hitler - who helpfully keeps penny-a-pill indian generics mostly out of u.s. market 1283073;1442972265;asciilifeform;why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day, i do not know. but tlp's dictum 'if you're reading it, it's for you' comes to mind. 1283074;1442972306;BingoBoingo;;;more 1283075;1442972307;gribble;232.300052767 1283076;1442972333;asciilifeform;but in the purely physical sense, a $10 (not even speaking of $1000) pill of ANY CONTENTS WHATSOEVER makes precisely as much sense as a $1M software package. 1283077;1442972343;asciilifeform;i.e. something which can only exist at usg gunpoint. 1283078;1442972358;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: SInce it is old news but super trending I'll have a piece on the particulars of this FDA sanctioned pharma racket in the next day or so 1283079;1442972402;BingoBoingo;But the short story for #b-a regs is this a a corn problem. If you can you must, and the FDA says you must, 1283080;1442972436;asciilifeform;consider, where other than pharma does cost have no impact whatsoever on demand ? 1283081;1442972506;asciilifeform;my current understanding re: the firm from the link is that it specialized in ultra-low-demand items for which there is unlikely to be competition from foreign generics. clever. 1283082;1442972575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'must' my arse. fda as it exists today is a creature of the pharma cartels. 1283083;1442972744;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: COnsider though that this particular pharma slug is taking the other pharma slugs demanda upon the FDA to their logical extreme 1283084;1442972765;*;asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence 1283085;1442972773;BingoBoingo;He realizes that he has an easy button to get ALL of the dolalrs 1283086;1442972791;BingoBoingo;So why not get all of the Do-lolars? 1283087;1442972811;asciilifeform;the 'easy button' normally leads to 'have problems' 1283088;1442972814;BingoBoingo;Only scandal is he is a young buck taking the old stags to task 1283089;1442972827;BingoBoingo;And yes the is "having problems" 1283090;1442972843;BingoBoingo;But it is also the ONLY thing one can do 1283091;1442972884;BingoBoingo;Imagine if someone bough a symbolics machine or Unix 7 and asserted re-Patent rights? 1283092;1442972906;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why imagine? it happened ! 1283093;1442972917;asciilifeform;;;google darl mcbride 1283094;1442972918;gribble;Darl McBride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Darl McBride | LinkedIn: ; Darl McBride - Wikiquote: 1283095;1442972922;BingoBoingo;And in pharma when it happens they have steroids 1283096;1442972956;BingoBoingo;Darl McBride's sphicter was chronically relaxed, prolly too much botox. 1283097;1442972970;asciilifeform;the 'quotes' esp. lulzy. 1283098;1442973029;BingoBoingo;Pharma has had a few more "soft power" understandings. Like if the Jews in Israel at Teva can break even on a generic it isn'r really abandoned and such. 1283099;1442973115;BingoBoingo;The differnce between Darl and this pharma lol-cow is all this one does is use the rules exactly as intended without ambiguity 1283100;1442973303;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b24 1283101;1442973306;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ~this~ particular l0lcow wouldn't even be a lolcow if he hadn't insisted on trolling all of usa with cameras rolling 1283102;1442973369;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure. Darl was a lolcow because he forced his position on ambiguity. This one though lolcows by hitting everything and only those things he is explicitly allowed to. 1283103;1442973397;*;BingoBoingo recomends if one gets malaria one ought to do so outside the US at the moment 1283104;1442973416;asciilifeform;this is the most galling thing, to civilians. recall mircea_popescu's 'pound of flesh' article. 1283105;1442973518;BingoBoingo;Sure, it galls at first them you heal... and the scar galls 1283106;1442973602;asciilifeform;the one thing you can be sure of it that at the end of the day the 'answer' will be something like 'pillz cost too much, need moar obamacare' 1283107;1442973634;BingoBoingo;Or Obamacare breaks... pretty sure the goal here was breaking Obolacare 1283108;1442973653;asciilifeform;rather than 'nuke intellectualpropertyism, dekulakize and publicly behead everyone who profited from its imposition' 1283109;1442973671;BingoBoingo;But this is not the first dirt cheap drug to turn uranium plated by any stretch 1283110;1442973682;asciilifeform;nope. 1283111;1442973698;asciilifeform;it's a piece of orchestrated hysteria to draw fire away from the serious operators. 1283112;1442973713;BingoBoingo;Uric acid, still expensive after being under a dollar per arbitrary time span supply 1283113;1442973834;asciilifeform;know what the crowning glory here is? no drug whatsoever in an ~actual free market~ could ever cost $100/pill. it costs less than this to pay ukraininan chemists to make $arbitrarycompound. 1283114;1442973848;asciilifeform;i watched it happen, on usg tax dollar no less. 1283115;1442973893;asciilifeform;with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty. 1283116;1442973930;asciilifeform;so the 'disease is rare, 1mg pill costs $100' thing is a crock of shit. 1283117;1442974018;asciilifeform;being able to charge $100/mg for an organic sludge is a crown concession. 1283118;1442974042;BingoBoingo;Of course 1283119;1442974046;asciilifeform;based wholly on the presence of armed thugs enforcing 'intellectual property' 1283120;1442974096;BingoBoingo;Anything necessarily more expensive must be injected because monoclonal or delicate living origins 1283121;1442974099;asciilifeform;the $100/mg thing was grudgingly accepted by many thinking people on account of 'must fund RESEARCH!111!!111' 1283122;1442974104;asciilifeform;but the 'research' is not happening. 1283123;1442974109;asciilifeform;hasn't been, for a decade or more. 1283124;1442974118;asciilifeform;and this is more or less universally known at this point. 1283125;1442974146;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, i specifically said 'pill' 1283126;1442974160;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hence the caveat 1283127;1442974226;BingoBoingo;But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy 1283128;1442974333;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at some point, the 'intellectual property RIGHTS!!!!11!!!1!1' idiots will get what they have been so loudly begging for: underground pharma labz in every town. 1283129;1442974336;asciilifeform;retool from meth. 1283130;1442974393;asciilifeform;of course, i won't know when this has happened, you'll have to ask somebody who lives on the 'tide usd' planet. 1283131;1442974751;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Consider bupropion, the one USG blessed mood regulating dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Simple chlorinated amphetamine on the ring. I wonder more who can't make it than who can 1283132;1442974838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22533 @ 0.00076219 = 17.1744 BTC [+] {4} 1283133;1442976687;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron watch the guy being like 112 lbs and really awkward too 1283134;1442976691;mircea_popescu;!up psztorc 1283135;1442976758;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day << was in the news recently, '87 born catamite of "tiger fund" gonzo increased price of some shitty expired patent medicine nobody else was manufacturing because us is as springy as a dead halibut. 1283136;1442976966;BingoBoingo;Actuall rather commonly used medicine. Part of 'Malarone' the premier anti-malarial cocktail. 1283137;1442976986;BingoBoingo;But now the solo drug costs more than the combo. 1283138;1442977029;BingoBoingo;Never mind the cheaper combo is more effective against what either treats and gets literally all the save-Africa subsidies 1283139;1442977083;mircea_popescu; but the 'research' is not happening. << this is a point. 1283140;1442977146;mircea_popescu; But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy << exactl;y, and these two go together. we're now at the point where "important" vaccines for purely imaginary conditions are being pushed out. srsly, some people get nonspecific pain from what may be a viral infection ? 1283141;1442977156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00076182 = 12.4177 BTC [-] 1283142;1442977235;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, now most of the new "biologics" released in the US are for various forms of "autoimmune" arthritis but not really. 1283143;1442977251;BingoBoingo;They work more on repetative load injuries. 1283144;1442977268;mircea_popescu;one of the most lucrative and so often targetted by pharma spaces is where doctors go "dunno, let's try this. and that. and then see." 1283145;1442977324;mircea_popescu;that's 100% of psycho, and most of nonspeciffic pain (which only exists because gps wanted a loophole to prescripe medocal social security to healthy men) and then "old age/shit habits" diseases. like some arthitis types (aka gout)./ 1283146;1442977377;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 23.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b25 1283147;1442977421;mircea_popescu;annnnnd it takes 1st place. 1283148;1442977439;BingoBoingo;Dayum 1283149;1442977524;BingoBoingo; But seriously the big malingering complaint is now labeled "fibromyalgia" and there is actually a therapy that keeps these hams sated. Stong compounded mixes of tricyclic antidepressants and NSAIDS. 1283150;1442977551;BingoBoingo;Then the knees fail mechanically due to the load they bear. 1283151;1442977606;mircea_popescu;that's just the world being unfair. 1283152;1442977624;BingoBoingo;Gravity has been and always will be the ultimate shitlord 1283153;1442977642;mircea_popescu;totally unselfware without a hint of irony 1283154;1442977643;mircea_popescu;and ignorant. 1283155;1442977644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00076265 = 27.913 BTC [+] {3} 1283156;1442977744;mircea_popescu;interestingly enough, poloniex lost its 50% eth trading marketshare. now #3, #1 being something "gatecoin" 1283157;1442977764;BingoBoingo;lol 1283158;1442977780;BingoBoingo;Seems the Bitbet even slowed a bit after the bet. 1283159;1442977793;BingoBoingo;Some folk must really want to fuck mircea_popescu 1283160;1442977804;mircea_popescu;slowed ? 1283161;1442978034;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, haven't seen any deca BTC bets since the qntra 1283162;1442978051;BingoBoingo;Oh, I guess that was oe 1283163;1442978054;BingoBoingo;*one 1283164;1442978081;*;BingoBoingo in draft mode 1283165;1442978216;mircea_popescu;originally it looked like the aim is to go for 5:1 1283166;1442978236;mircea_popescu;kinda been degrading tho, curious if there's the required 1-200 btc left in the eth cheerleader camp to get it back on target. 1283167;1442978345;mircea_popescu;lkol wait. 21 thing won't accept btc for its "product" ? 1283168;1442978347;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1283169;1442978447;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3lvsjd/prepare_yourselves_for_the_assault_on_ethereum_by/ 1283170;1442978449;assbot;Prepare yourselves for the assault on Ethereum by certain hostile elements within bitcoin community. : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBdAZ1 ) 1283171;1442978471;mircea_popescu;"certain elements" are "attacking" the re-ripple thing by pointing out that it's stupid and pointless. TO THE BARRICADES!1 1283172;1442978561;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1283173;1442978578;BingoBoingo;!up psztorc You know you dun got voice nao 1283174;1442978609;psztorc;Salutations 1283175;1442978620;BingoBoingo;Welcome 1283176;1442978641;mircea_popescu;https://medium.com/@timothyjcoulter/truffle-tricks-for-ethereum-development-dispelling-8-myths-first-impressions-880f66bf3320 << this is the lol of all fucking time. 1283177;1442978643;assbot;Truffle Tricks for Ethereum Development: Dispelling 8 Myths & First Impressions — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PqLPfD ) 1283178;1442978662;mircea_popescu;recommended reading for asciilifeform just because i know he's a livresque masochist. 1283179;1442978664;BingoBoingo;psztorc: Appologies for not replying to your email with wisdom, but my momma told me not to talk to strangers 1283180;1442978676;mircea_popescu;hi psztorc . who're you ? 1283181;1442978685;psztorc;I suppose I'm a "certain hostile element with bitcoin community". 1283182;1442978694;mircea_popescu;o you are ? which one ? 1283183;1442978719;psztorc;The second one in the Eth link you just posted 1283184;1442978781;mircea_popescu;ie Paul Sztorc ? 1283185;1442978789;mircea_popescu;might be an idea to get your key reg'd with gribble. 1283186;1442978790;psztorc;That's me. 1283187;1442978802;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He's got some sidechain betting thing, but more than that dun liek huffing ether 1283188;1442978804;mircea_popescu;and by gribble i mean assbot. 1283189;1442978828;mircea_popescu;"Truthcoin is my ambitious project to create a trustless P2P prediction-marketplace. This is possible because, unlike most marketplaces, the end product of a prediction market (PM) is information. " 1283190;1442978830;mircea_popescu;oh another one of those. 1283191;1442978849;psztorc;The last one. 1283192;1442978865;mircea_popescu;you understand the fundamental problem with trying to create a "decentralized market" do you ? 1283193;1442978872;psztorc;I hope so. 1283194;1442978921;mircea_popescu;jesus reddit is retarded. omg not even wrong where to even start /me abandons the entire thread. 1283195;1442978936;mircea_popescu;psztorc do tell ? 1283196;1442978975;psztorc;The fundamental problem is tying the market to reality, without invoking a trusted 3rd party. 1283197;1442979009;mircea_popescu;well no. the fundamental problem is that the function of a market is to centralize trade. decentralized market is like cool boiler. 1283198;1442979051;psztorc;Can't a decentralized market centralize trade? 1283199;1442979065;psztorc;One is a process, the other an outcome. 1283200;1442979097;mircea_popescu;this argument is not even apparent if people were spherical cows in a vacuum. but as people are, it's impossible to obtain an outcome by opposite process. 1283201;1442979123;mircea_popescu;dja know of any example from nature where something like that happens ? 1283202;1442979133;mircea_popescu;vex you gotta stop with the nick spam. 1283203;1442979137;psztorc;Would you say that Bitcoin centralizes all transactions in one blockchain database? 1283204;1442979173;mircea_popescu;depends where you're taking it. this could perhaps be said. 1283205;1442979256;psztorc;When I say "decentralized", I mean it the same way Satoshi meant it: headless and immortal. The individual traders still all "meet" in one "place". 1283206;1442979269;mircea_popescu;but bitcoin is in no sense a market. 1283207;1442979270;psztorc;In the project I designed. 1283208;1442979279;mircea_popescu;there is no meeting whatsoever involved. 1283209;1442979292;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is why it actually is trustless. but also why it's irreversible. 1283210;1442979337;psztorc;When I say meet, I mean same database. 1283211;1442979355;mircea_popescu;but the "meet" in "market" has a different intension from "meet" as in "sql join". 1283212;1442979374;mircea_popescu;in this sense, "the earth centralizes the imago-es of all astral bodies, as their light projection". nevertheless, the earth is not a black hole. 1283213;1442979394;BingoBoingo;How a trusted third party could possibly be agreed upon though is among the most centralizing mechanisms possibru 1283214;1442979414;mircea_popescu;to take a step out of the purest theory closer t oactual practice. 1283215;1442979455;psztorc;You may be right about whatever you are talking about, but in Truthcoin the operations performed are almost exactly the same as existing Bitcoin transactions. 1283216;1442979481;mircea_popescu;then why bother ? 1283217;1442979518;psztorc;To enable people to use Bitcoin in markets, and bet on real world things. 1283218;1442979537;psztorc;Why use BitBet? 1283219;1442979538;mircea_popescu;but in the original terms. "in Truthcoin the operations performed are almost exactly the same as existing Bitcoin transactions". 1283220;1442979553;mircea_popescu;well bitbet is plainly a central market for clearing risk. 1283221;1442979589;psztorc;What "is" is a different question than what "is for". 1283222;1442979607;mircea_popescu;ok. it's for clearing risk in a centrally-controlled environment. 1283223;1442979732;mircea_popescu;(clearing, obviously, is a term of art, in finance. it's the process whereby definite items are recognized by others. very similar to the function of a torens title registrar, or the births book, or the military despatches.) 1283224;1442979779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00076274 = 15.5599 BTC [+] 1283225;1442979826;psztorc;Are we still on "why bother"? 1283226;1442979853;mircea_popescu;if you're satisfied with "why use bitbet" 1283227;1442979956;psztorc;If you like to read, #1 of the lower 5 is about why I chose to create Truthcoin: http://www.truthcoin.info/papers/ 1283228;1442979957;assbot;Papers | Truthcoin: Making Cheap Talk Expensive ... ( http://bit.ly/1PqP1YA ) 1283229;1442980016;*;mircea_popescu goes in on the hope this won't be pdf. 1283230;1442980026;gernika;Is it impossible to implement a public forum on a decentralized architecture, such as a dht? 1283231;1442980035;mircea_popescu;heh. got a plaintext version psztorc ? 1283232;1442980062;*;BingoBoingo too drunk for this 1283233;1442980067;psztorc;Don't you ever miss all of the lovely pdf formatting? 1283234;1442980080;mircea_popescu;gernika a) would you agree that the superset of this inquiry is the bbs and b) would you say it meets definitions of either "forum" or "decentralized" as you use them ? 1283235;1442980090;mircea_popescu;psztorc haven't yet, no. 1283236;1442980110;BingoBoingo;psztorc: No one really misses anything about pdf when they quit 1283237;1442980116;psztorc;Well, I can pastebin it for you. 1283238;1442980120;mircea_popescu;aite. 1283239;1442980154;psztorc;http://pastebin.com/16sjgPXW 1283240;1442980155;assbot;truthcoin-1 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PqPBp7 ) 1283241;1442980229;mircea_popescu;"What if you had access to the combined intellectual powers of all mankind? It would be easier for you to make decisions." << you know, not only this does not follow, but the contrary is actually recorded as anecdotal observation by pretty much all sources. like say russell. 1283242;1442980230;gernika;mircea_popescu: I can see a bbs as a public forum, yes. The decentralization is not as clear to me, at least not in the way I used them. I only ever dialed into one. 1283243;1442980298;gernika;and it had all the porn I needed. 1283244;1442980302;mircea_popescu;heh. 1283245;1442980313;mircea_popescu;but you will notice you downloading porn and the functioning of a market are unrelated. 1283246;1442980336;mircea_popescu;in any case, the question here isn't whether you could stuff the heart of an ox, the guts of a pig and the lungs of a horse inside the skin of a skinned goose. 1283247;1442980344;mircea_popescu;the question is whether the animal so obtained will quack. 1283248;1442980403;mircea_popescu;!up psztorc 1283249;1442980437;gernika;The problem I see is that there's no profit motive for the market owner, because there's no owner, so no one will drive the thing to work. Which I hope relates to your last point. 1283250;1442980437;mircea_popescu;""Whereas a stock market is a place to buy and sell shares of a corporations earnings, a Prediction Market (PM) is a place to buy and sell predictions. Valid predictions entitle their owner to $11"" << this, foir the record, is horrible writing. do not mix things so far apart the abstraction scale, it confuses idiots and it gives smart people the impression your abstractor really has very little breadth. 1283251;1442980467;mircea_popescu;gernika it's a start, i'd say. 1283252;1442980483;psztorc;That was actually a footnote. It was $1 in the pdf 1283253;1442980496;mircea_popescu;why would it be a magic number and why would the number reference an undefined concept. 1283254;1442980511;mircea_popescu;suppose i read this in 3030, at which point no fucking body knows what $ is, and we decide it stands for "trustcoin" 1283255;1442980549;psztorc;I'm specifically choosing not to target the 3030 audience. 1283256;1442980557;mircea_popescu;"The current market price of these tradable predictions can then be interpreted as the likelihood of the prediction coming true." << because, why ? 1283257;1442980587;BingoBoingo;The paper honestly reads to me as BitBet ad copy 1283258;1442980616;psztorc;Those statements are not original research...they're lifted from several mainstream scholars, econ textbooks, wikipedia "prediction markets" article. 1283259;1442980621;BingoBoingo;Just with BitBet it is hard to lose to butthurt retards 1283260;1442980646;mircea_popescu;lifted, no footnote ? 1283261;1442980670;mircea_popescu;you're perhaps unfamiliar with the saying "traduttore, traditore". 1283262;1442980682;mircea_popescu;careful what and whom you steal from, lest you get poisoned. 1283263;1442980692;psztorc;Haha 1283264;1442980711;psztorc;These are very basic concepts, not exactly plagiarism. 1283265;1442980735;mircea_popescu;they are very basic INTELLECTUAL FASHIONS. 1283266;1442980745;mircea_popescu;"When anyone can trade, no source of information is overlooked, and market forces balance 1283267;1442980745;mircea_popescu;info-sources in a way that is consistently and unanimously acceptable." << like that. 1283268;1442980772;psztorc;I assume you don't agree? 1283269;1442980773;mircea_popescu;none of this stands to actual scrutiny, but hey, peopel got enamoured with whatever that irish thing was called, and it got to die a hero's death so we'll hear about it like we wouldn't have heard if it just died naturally. 1283270;1442980775;mircea_popescu;i do not agree. 1283271;1442980816;mircea_popescu;but leaving aside the entire "prediction market" thing, lemme try and find the actual coin discussion. 1283272;1442980829;psztorc;What type of thing would change your mind? 1283273;1442980835;mircea_popescu;" Television has a gift for simplifying and communicating ideas" << o lordy. 1283274;1442980849;mircea_popescu;ok, indulge me. give me an example of an idea that was so communicated by television. 1283275;1442980877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29811 @ 0.00076274 = 22.738 BTC [+] 1283276;1442980879;psztorc;What follows that section are youtube videos to tv clips about prediction markets. 1283277;1442980900;mircea_popescu;so... uh... 1283278;1442980915;mircea_popescu;"i once got formed an idea while in front of the tv ergo tv has a gift" ? 1283279;1442980944;psztorc;That sentence is not a claim that I make. 1283280;1442980959;mircea_popescu;ah intrade there we go. 1283281;1442980962;psztorc;It is in the pdf formatting that I am continuing my explanation of prediction markets in a different way. 1283282;1442981012;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin is P2P software. It was not ever designed for other people to store your money; it was designed for you to store your own money." << can you prove this ? 1283283;1442981020;mircea_popescu;or at least shore it up past the nude declaratory thing ? 1283284;1442981035;psztorc;You disagree with that? 1283285;1442981037;*;BingoBoingo declares bread tripe, retires 1283286;1442981038;mircea_popescu;yes. 1283287;1442981057;psztorc;What exactly do you disagree with? 1283288;1442981060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00076181 = 18.5882 BTC [-] {2} 1283289;1442981071;mircea_popescu;o, you want the list ? mkay. 1283290;1442981103;mircea_popescu;i disagree with the notion that whether bitcoin was designed for people to hold own money or opm follows from bitcoin being p2p ; that there is a way to differentiate between opm and yom. and other things 1283291;1442981155;psztorc;You can't tell the difference between money you own and money that other people own? 1283292;1442981164;mircea_popescu;there's nothing magical about money being "your own". the situation where you own house A, and live in house B which is identical but you rent ; and the situation where you own house A and live in house A is imaginary. 1283293;1442981187;mircea_popescu;im sorry. the DIFFERENCE between the two situations is imaginary is what i mean. 1283294;1442981220;BingoBoingo;Pro Idiotas! 1283295;1442981231;psztorc;Replace "own" with "control" if you like. 1283296;1442981252;mircea_popescu;and thje best example to verify this is, a situation where you and another guy sit in a bar for the space it takes to drink two drafts each. 1283297;1442981268;mircea_popescu;whether each pays his own each time in silence, or you buy one round and he buys another round is nil. 1283298;1442981282;mircea_popescu;this is why money is important, this annullment of a perceived difference. 1283299;1442981314;psztorc;What I wrote has nothing to do with fungibility. 1283300;1442981334;mircea_popescu;as the saying goes around here, you might not be interested in fungibility, but that doesn't prevent it from being interested in you. 1283301;1442981351;psztorc;Again, I am interested in fungibility. 1283302;1442981357;psztorc;But I didn't write about it in that paper. 1283303;1442981363;mircea_popescu;"The Bitcoin businesses that oppose this intent by holding customer funds (for example the currency exchanges) lose those funds regularly." << except mpex never did. and bitbet never did. and so on. 1283304;1442981369;mircea_popescu;together these make up a good 90% of bitcoin busiensses. 1283305;1442981385;mircea_popescu;now, feel free to generalize on the remainder 10%, but it is not unlike saying "men are evil and should be locked up". 1283306;1442981394;mircea_popescu;also an intellectual fashion in some circles. 1283307;1442981483;psztorc;Really? 1283308;1442981516;mircea_popescu;yes. 1283309;1442981520;mircea_popescu;"Although businesses can prove their solvency, proof of future-solvency is impossible, and even solvent Bitcoin PM-businesses would be able to steal funds by trading on and then reporting incorrect prediction outcomes." << this is a feckless misstatement of the situation. a centralized business is predicated on the trustworthyness of its living owner. whose word is, to repurpose a JPM quote, "worth more than all the bo 1283310;1442981521;mircea_popescu;nds in Christendom". 1283311;1442981552;mircea_popescu;(do you happen to be familiar with the exchange i'm referencing there ?) 1283312;1442981569;psztorc;I know that you own and operate MPEX 1283313;1442981576;mircea_popescu;no i meant the jpm quote. 1283314;1442981579;psztorc;and of course I'm familiar with BitBet 1283315;1442981608;psztorc;I'm familiar with some of JPM's history 1283316;1442981754;psztorc;How do you square your 90% figure against MtGox's loss of 850,000 Bitcoins. 1283317;1442981794;mircea_popescu;the proposition that mtgox was a bitcoin business is tenuous. 1283318;1442981806;psztorc;My understanding was that MPEX's volume was much lower than that, let alone total stored. 1283319;1442981817;mircea_popescu;you don't think walmart is a tide business for instance, do you ? 1283320;1442981826;psztorc;No. 1283321;1442981843;psztorc;But I think that all Bitcoin exchanges are Bitcoin businesses. 1283322;1442981843;mircea_popescu;moreover, mtgox mostly "lost" money it never had. 1283323;1442981850;mircea_popescu;on the basis of what ? 1283324;1442981906;psztorc;It is a question of definition...I chose to define it that way. 1283325;1442981910;psztorc;What definition do you use? 1283326;1442982012;mircea_popescu;well, for starters, they priced bitcoin in dollars not dollars in bitcoin. 1283327;1442982016;psztorc;And BitPay claims to process over 100,000 Bitcoin per month 1283328;1442982037;mircea_popescu;these claims must be novel. ever since they forgot to mention how shockingly little they processed for "black friday" 1283329;1442982038;psztorc;that's a lot more than MPEX's volume 1283330;1442982057;mircea_popescu;but no, the various hanger ons trying to insinuate themselves in bitcoin do not by this desire actually become part of the thing. 1283331;1442982084;psztorc;And your definition is? 1283332;1442982090;mircea_popescu;anyway : consider that when mp said mtgox goes away, mtgox actually went away. 1283333;1442982108;mircea_popescu;much to the disbelief of the entire collected "foundation" & assorted jesuses, captains of industry and whatnots. 1283334;1442982169;mircea_popescu;the closest i ever came to stating a definition was in this 2012 article : http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ 1283335;1442982170;assbot;The politics of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K07c9f ) 1283336;1442982244;mircea_popescu;!up psztorc 1283337;1442982276;mircea_popescu;anyway, the jpm thing is more important, so let's get back to that for a second. the matter was put to him, in a congressional hearing, "Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?" 1283338;1442982282;psztorc;I'm afraid I couldn't find the definition. 1283339;1442982284;mircea_popescu;and the responses came rather informatively : 1283340;1442982288;mircea_popescu;"No sir, the first thing is character." 1283341;1442982288;mircea_popescu;"Before money or property?" 1283342;1442982288;mircea_popescu;"Before money or anything else. Money cannot buy it...Because a man I do not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom." 1283343;1442982295;mircea_popescu;there is in fact no way to substitute for this. 1283344;1442982309;mircea_popescu;the notion that "proving" "solvency" which is to say, having money may somehow buy character, and on it trust. 1283345;1442982312;mircea_popescu;this is delusional. 1283346;1442982325;psztorc;Of course, as I'm sure you know, "credit" comes from the latin "cred-" for "belief/faith" 1283347;1442982332;mircea_popescu;the only thing "proofs" will do is make people optimize for the exam. that is all. 1283348;1442982338;mircea_popescu;aha. 1283349;1442982388;psztorc;And the sentence I wrote was to explain exactly why "proofs of solvency" are insufficient (which you have just restated) 1283350;1442982403;mircea_popescu;alright. 1283351;1442982531;mircea_popescu;"Although Bitcoin does not solve our PM problems, it demonstrates that a blockchain can provide scalable, censorship-resistant, and trustless solutions. Blockchain solutions also generate efficiency by cutting out middlemen and avoiding overhead costs (no brick-and-mortar, compliance, administration, etc.)." << this is miserable. what exactly is "solutions" supposed to mean ? and more importantly : the blockchain settl 1283352;1442982531;mircea_popescu;ement device is BY FAR the most expensive, cumbersome and unwieldy mechanism for settlement ever devised. it was not even feasible to contemplate before computing and major bandwidth was available. 1283353;1442982545;mircea_popescu;the entire "bitcoin is efficient" thing is very 2010s naivete. it is anything but. 1283354;1442982558;mircea_popescu;it's ironclad, sure. but a tank has not very good fuel economy. 1283355;1442982591;psztorc;For a given level of security, the payments are now cheaper. 1283356;1442982606;psztorc;Also, I'm sure you've heard of the Lightning Network. 1283357;1442982634;mircea_popescu;ok, sure, for a given level, as long as that level is very high, they are in fact cheaper. 1283358;1442982647;mircea_popescu;this is not what usually is meant by eficiency. 1283359;1442982648;psztorc;Well we have to compare apples to apples don't we? 1283360;1442982661;mircea_popescu;best specify what apples we're comparing. 1283361;1442982663;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1283362;1442982666;psztorc;Hey, when you wanted to read Satoshi's pdf whitepaper, did you like ask a friend to print it out for you or something? 1283363;1442982671;mircea_popescu;"My design was able to solve a few other PM-problems as well. Any user can create a market about anything, removing the dual-requirement that a PM-administrator must not only be trustworthy, but also share your prediction-interests. Market scoring rule technology ensures that trading volume is irrelevant, and traders will always be able make a trade updating the price to their estimation (even if they are the only trad 1283364;1442982671;mircea_popescu;er)." << dja understand the concept of liquidity ? 1283365;1442982682;mircea_popescu;because if i want to sink your chances, understand, all i need is to quote this and snicker. 1283366;1442982697;mircea_popescu;suppose you're in a VC office trying to close a deal. and i drop by to take the guy out to golf. 1283367;1442982708;mircea_popescu;and you're like, almost there, and all i do is recite that and laugh. you're out on your ass. 1283368;1442982713;mircea_popescu;dja understand this ? 1283369;1442982718;psztorc;No 1283370;1442982723;mircea_popescu;ok. what is liquidity ? 1283371;1442982750;psztorc;Loss of common knowledge of an asset's valuation. 1283372;1442982760;psztorc;Gain/loss* 1283373;1442982782;mircea_popescu;uhm. what ungodly sort of post structuralist lacanian approach to finance is this supposed to be! 1283374;1442982807;mircea_popescu;fiat, delta knowledge on valuation. i doubtr you'll find anyone who even will entertain the approach, within finance. but moving on : 1283375;1442982826;mircea_popescu;whence in the everloving fuck will you summon into existence counters for all the solo traders trading with no one ? 1283376;1442982892;psztorc;That isn't post structuralism... PS is when the audience is supposedly more important than the author's text or intent. 1283377;1442982909;psztorc;This has nothing to do with that. 1283378;1442982910;mircea_popescu;lol 1283379;1442982925;psztorc;I could link to a pdf on market scoring rules 1283380;1442982931;psztorc;or an Excel spreadsheet 1283381;1442982939;psztorc;but I'm guessing..... 1283382;1442982957;mircea_popescu;or you could keep it simple, and explain why your excel spreadsheet isn't hard at work finding boyfriends for all the very fat lonely feminists out there. 1283383;1442982963;mircea_popescu;they too got a knowledge, why isn't it being met ? 1283384;1442983013;psztorc;MSRs are a formula which relate [1] the current quantity of outstanding shares (of mutually-exclusive states) to [2] an account filled with money. 1283385;1442983021;mircea_popescu;by whom ? 1283386;1442983056;psztorc;The traders, although you can put some money in the middle (which you'll lose) to create... 1283387;1442983058;psztorc;.. 1283388;1442983063;psztorc;your favorite word 1283389;1442983067;psztorc;liquidity. 1283390;1442983084;psztorc;The derivative of [1] share quantity happens to be the prices. 1283391;1442983108;asciilifeform;i'd like to ask psztorc for a monopole magnet 1283392;1442983110;psztorc;People propose updates to the share quantity, and can locally calculate how the account [2] would have to change. 1283393;1442983125;asciilifeform;to be made after he is done with the counter-less market of solo traders. 1283394;1442983133;asciilifeform;i could really use a monopole. 1283395;1442983137;psztorc;If they pay the right amount, the trade goes through, otherwise it does not. 1283396;1442983208;psztorc;Again this isn't something I made up, a physicist designed it like 15 years ago and it is currently being used in a few places. With play money at SciCast. 1283397;1442983212;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda puzzled why the problem is not directly obvious. 1283398;1442983234;mircea_popescu;psztorc let's try a mental experiment shall we ? 1283399;1442983260;psztorc;I love experiments. 1283400;1442983298;mircea_popescu;i mean srsly nobody cares if you came up with it or clark gable did. that's not at issue. and in general "original research" is even a topic only among the wikitards. it's not a legitimate consideration. 1283401;1442983322;mircea_popescu;but as to the experiment : suppose your coin exists. suppose it has a total issued volume of 1mn coins. suppose i own them all, because i'm an asshole and i buy them all. 1283402;1442983326;psztorc;A given claim is more likely to be false if only one person has assessed it. 1283403;1442983332;mircea_popescu;this is false. 1283404;1442983348;mircea_popescu;now, suppose i make a bet that tomorrow will be a solar eclipse. 1283405;1442983358;mircea_popescu;the odds on this are dismal. 1283406;1442983365;mircea_popescu;whence will the money come to liquidate my position ? 1283407;1442983391;mircea_popescu;for instance : when i put 1 btc on the theory that ethereum dies by the end of the year, i got liquidated 5:1 within hours. 1283408;1442983394;psztorc;From you, you'll win all of your own money back. 1283409;1442983406;mircea_popescu;uh... i am not putting any money on No. 1283410;1442983412;mircea_popescu;i bet all the coins on yes. 1283411;1442983431;psztorc;If you really own all the coins, and you didn't put any in the middle, your first share of Yes will cost you 1. 1283412;1442983441;psztorc;As will your 2nd and all the rest. 1283413;1442983450;mircea_popescu;i really don't care what they cost. i am taking them all. 1283414;1442983491;mircea_popescu;and i expect to see fair liquidity. say 10k to 1 against me. 1283415;1442983500;mircea_popescu;where will ten billion coins spring for to liquidate my position ? 1283416;1442983523;psztorc;You bought 1 mn coins. 1283417;1442983527;mircea_popescu;aha. 1283418;1442983534;psztorc;You traded 1 mn coins for 1 mn shares 1283419;1442983538;mircea_popescu;aha. 1283420;1442983551;psztorc;the answer was "Yes" 1283421;1442983559;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would it be yes ? 1283422;1442983560;psztorc;the 1 mn shares became worth 1 mn coins again. 1283423;1442983565;mircea_popescu;there's not gonna be any sort of solar eclipse tomorrow. 1283424;1442983568;mircea_popescu;the answer will be no. 1283425;1442983574;psztorc;Well then you lose all of your coins... 1283426;1442983577;mircea_popescu;to whom ? 1283427;1442983598;psztorc;In that astonishingly unlikely scenario, no one. 1283428;1442983610;mircea_popescu;did "no one" bet 10 bn coins on no ? 1283429;1442983612;psztorc;They're just inaccessible. 1283430;1442983622;psztorc;You're the only one who did anything. 1283431;1442983631;mircea_popescu;so your liquidity has a problem in simply materializing from the, if you'll excuse the pun, the ether ? 1283432;1442983677;mircea_popescu;understand, the scenario is in no sense astonishing or at all unlikely. the scenario repeats itself 100% of the time in your model, just, you're not usually well instrumented to notice this. 1283433;1442983688;mircea_popescu;unlike in my example, where i scrubbed off all incidentals that may hide the matter. 1283434;1442983707;psztorc;What exactly is your question? 1283435;1442983794;*;asciilifeform observes that 'bugs' like this (if gaping hole in the chest of an idea can still be referred to as a 'bug'...) can live almost indefinitely long when there is a 'play money only' system such as ones mentioned earlier. simply because the 'unreasonable!11!!!11!!' folk with serious dough don't show up to clean their clocks. 1283436;1442983801;mircea_popescu;this is not a question, it is a statement of fact. counterintuitively, perhaps (not sure why, but this only happens to some people), your addition of a coin to the problem has in fact worsened your efficiency, by introducing a significant friction factor. 1283437;1442983814;mircea_popescu;all this in an attempt to solve poorly an already solved problem (solved by centralization). 1283438;1442983877;mircea_popescu;ie, your attempt to get fatties laid already suffers from the "wide area low height" problem. putting a coin on top of this is just crushing it into oblivion, and going exactly tyhe opposite directionm of solving it. 1283439;1442983899;psztorc;: ) 1283440;1442983911;psztorc;And yet, you change the subject so frequently. 1283441;1442983923;psztorc;Do you believe that MSRs have a liquidity problem? 1283442;1442983947;mircea_popescu;ie mortgage servicing rights ? 1283443;1442983959;psztorc;Haha 1283444;1442983973;psztorc;Market scoring rules, which we were just discussing. 1283445;1442983988;psztorc;Feel free to use your fast knowledge to evade more questions : ) 1283446;1442983990;mircea_popescu;you know, the abbreviation happens to already have a meaning, in the space. 1283447;1442984015;mircea_popescu;im not entirely sure what "market scoring rules" are. but by the excel reference i vaguely expect a bayesian atrocity. 1283448;1442984039;psztorc;There are Bayesian versions 1283449;1442984045;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly. 1283450;1442984060;mircea_popescu;understand : rules are generally powerless. the soviets had rules about how capital should be allocated. 1283451;1442984068;mircea_popescu;didn't help them, especially once they didn't have the capital. 1283452;1442984084;mircea_popescu;!up psztorc 1283453;1442984087;psztorc;Almost as predictable as your question dodging. 1283454;1442984099;mircea_popescu;how about you get registered in assbot so i can give you a rating so i don't have to keep doing the upping. 1283455;1442984119;psztorc;I thought I had, like a year ago. Does it expire or something? 1283456;1442984131;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278736 << turns out that i was off the mark here. to wit : "Emissions system and fuel economy testing is conducted while a vehicle is placed on a dynamometer—think of it as a two big rollers or a treadmill—rather than driving on the road. The vehicle has only its driving wheels rolling (the front ones, in the case of VW vehicles). But the rear tires are station 1283457;1442984131;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 18:54:21; pete_dushenski: either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics' 1283458;1442984131;pete_dushenski;ary. The vehicle could otherwise interpret the test procedure as a dangerous situation or malfunction, activating traction control or stability control. By enabling a test mode, the vehicle will be able to operate during the test process. Once the test is complete and the car is restarted, the car reverts to its normal function. And once the cars are in on-the-road mode, nitrogen oxide levels increased by 10 to 1283459;1442984131;pete_dushenski;40 times the federal standard, according to the EPA." 1283460;1442984135;mircea_popescu;well what do you want me to do. they don't, per se, have a liquidity problem, not being the sort of thing that may have a liquidityy problem. they simply have no relation to liquidity whatsoever. 1283461;1442984142;mircea_popescu;!gettrust psztorc 1283462;1442984143;assbot;psztorc is not registered in WoT. 1283463;1442984154;mircea_popescu;it doesn't expire and it doesn't think you ever did. 1283464;1442984184;pete_dushenski;;;gettrust psztorc 1283465;1442984184;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user psztorc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=psztorc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=psztorc | Rated since: never 1283466;1442984188;psztorc;Well I tried to do it when I discovered your blog, which was like last autumn. 1283467;1442984224;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << see ethere it's a half minute's job. 1283468;1442984225;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o ) 1283469;1442984232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00076274 = 16.6277 BTC [+] 1283470;1442984276;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: if (steering_shaft_turned_since_start()){while(1){pollute();}} 1283471;1442984316;psztorc;!register F162C410 1283472;1442984316;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1283473;1442984324;mircea_popescu;full size. 1283474;1442984336;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: if (rear_wheels_stationary_while_front_wheels_in_motion()){while(1){pollute();}} 1283475;1442984348;psztorc;!register 16C81597E76E86E6C01EF037AA4B3330F162C410 1283476;1442984348;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 16C81597E76E86E6C01EF037AA4B3330F162C410. This may take a few moments. 1283477;1442984348;assbot;Key F162C410 / "Paul Sztorc (Truthcoin) " successfully imported. 1283478;1442984348;assbot;Registration successful. 1283479;1442984377;mircea_popescu;!rate psztorc 1 Has no idea what post-structuralism is. Just like everyone else. 1283480;1442984377;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0c3e5e073ec4f06d 1283481;1442984397;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.psztorc.1:d864f2f84f1203a928a97576d8edb2bc1231e49eb6b35d20b368ed1070206df2 1283482;1442984397;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for psztorc with note: Has no idea what post-structuralism is. Just like everyone else. 1283483;1442984432;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014#657618 << hehe. 1283484;1442984432;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2014 17:28:03; bitcoinpete: https://github.com/psztorc/Truthcoin < and even after that they're unlikely to lead a project << maybe we'll allow your argument re civilised places. but in the us specifically, none of the stuff you discuss ever happens. 1283551;1442987006;pete_dushenski;crazy. 1283552;1442987028;pete_dushenski;who knew that canada was the cultural mecca of the americas ? 1283553;1442987055;pete_dushenski;the apotheosis, if you will ;P 1283554;1442987182;mircea_popescu;;;later tell psztorc "BetsOfBitcoin Also old, yet closed Mysteriously. Funds stolen or missing. " << nothing mysterious about it. back in 2012 inaba was pushing the bfl scam, had a deal with the various "bet site operators" to allow bets on bfl delivery and then anull if it doesn't deliver. betsofbitcoin went for it, got called out for it, was dead after that. https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-befor 1283555;1442987182;assbot;BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 7 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzV49K ) 1283556;1442987182;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1283557;1442987182;mircea_popescu;e-march-1st/ << bitbet's version, which cost bfl close to 1k btc, and which resulted in http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ and which in turn resulted in a lot of clearing the air for legitimate operators in the space, and which is to some degree why asics even exist today as a private thing rather than coming a couple years later as a usg only thing. 1283558;1442987183;assbot;The positive market effects of the delivery bet. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzV3mo ) 1283559;1442987267;mircea_popescu;and the "MtGox-failure, a failure that itself resulted in the loss of 6% of the circulating Bitcoin money supply." verbiage is particularly ill advised. the bitcoin mtgox lost never circulated for the most part, in that they were imaginary. 1283560;1442987303;mircea_popescu;similarly, all sorts of derps on "bitfinex" and assorted scum are currently booking imaginary bitcoins they "will get in the future". except they don't, but their losses aren't of bitcoin, they're losses of "bitcoin", 1283561;1442987546;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283371 << irlol! 1283562;1442987546;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 04:32:30; psztorc: Loss of common knowledge of an asset's valuation. 1283563;1442987570;mircea_popescu;ironically that can actually stand. 1283564;1442987593;pete_dushenski;as a definition of liquidity ?! 1283565;1442987627;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1283566;1442987652;mircea_popescu;http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/contracts-oracles-sidechains/ << the treatment of "how to increase fictitious '''optionality''' through factual restrictions" is particularly scandalous. 1283567;1442987654;assbot;Oracles are the Real Smart Contracts | Truthcoin: Making Cheap Talk Expensive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzVE7m ) 1283568;1442987677;mircea_popescu;what if we don't fucking want to buy bullshit lucas crap at any price, and what if we would gladly pay for that crap to not even have the possibiklity to exist ? 1283569;1442987693;mircea_popescu;what of all good films that never happened because that shit existed, and who pays for the damage britney spears did to music ? 1283570;1442987700;mircea_popescu;fuck "total optionality" in the sense of, strip mall. 1283571;1442987753;mircea_popescu;what if hollywood never existed altogether and i wouldn't have to explain to sane people from the future why the fuck exactly is it that every woman in every film has a permanently affixed bedspread righ above her tits for some reason ? 1283572;1442987762;mircea_popescu;optionalitits my ass. 1283573;1442987915;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: as to liquidity, hot damn if i don't see it now. only 6 hours into this yom kippur fast and i'm always too slow. 1283574;1442987921;mircea_popescu;lol 1283575;1442987925;*;pete_dushenski sends himself to a hungry slumber 1283576;1442988069;mircea_popescu;anyway, the amusing thing if one actually reads the above linked thing is that the proponent of truthcoin objects that ethereum bets won't work because they're not bitbet. which is a correct point, but leaves him in the lurch. 1283577;1442988338;mircea_popescu;"Ultimately, as Bitcoin takes over the internet, all non-Bitcoin projects (of any kind) will be treated with the ridicule afforded a US resident who tries to pay for his milk with Japanese yen. Eventually, interest in using a non-Bitcoin will fall to zero. Altcoins, even somehow-useful ones, dont have a future." << and the proper link for this is, of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-i 1283578;1442988339;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1j8LgNl ) 1283579;1442988339;mircea_popescu;s-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ 1283580;1442988346;mircea_popescu;more respek for actual experiments and their results. 1283581;1442988395;mircea_popescu;"Getting the Good Authority In the old days, competition kept Authorities in line. For example, in The Merchant of Venice, Shylock is trying to get a contract enforced by an Authority:" << heh, look at that. 1283582;1442988432;mircea_popescu;mkay, /me has had enough of this poorly sourcing of material. srsly, buncha quotes to tardipedia ? none to actual source material ? mmmkay. 1283583;1442988573;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/virtuallylaw/status/645645873716850688 << check it out asciilifeform :D 1283584;1442988575;mircea_popescu;mwahahaha. 1283585;1442988906;mircea_popescu;in other news, yet another one of these : https://twitter.com/BitcoinBabeAU/status/646504292392771584 1283586;1442989356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00076332 = 36.792 BTC [+] {4} 1283587;1442991284;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 24.66420430 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b27 1283588;1442991308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63671 @ 0.00075896 = 48.3237 BTC [-] {4} 1283589;1442992040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71854 @ 0.00075657 = 54.3626 BTC [-] {3} 1283590;1442994297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00075673 = 17.4805 BTC [+] {2} 1283591;1442995273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00076466 = 59.567 BTC [+] {7} 1283592;1442995275;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.03225764 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b28 1283593;1442996695;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 13.12260000 BTC on 'No' - BTC to top $700 before November - http://bitbet.us/bet/1179/btc-to-top-700-before-november/#b35 1283594;1442999788;shinohai;;;ticker 1283595;1442999789;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.45, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 230.4, 24 hour volume: 13586.41889803, 24 hour low: 225.9, 24 hour high: 233.95, 24 hour vwap: None 1283596;1443000092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00076312 = 37.1639 BTC [-] {3} 1283597;1443003264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163900 @ 0.00075521 = 123.7789 BTC [-] {4} 1283598;1443004092;cazalla;BingoBoingo, maybe aussie defence helped kick off the revival of ISIS gold coins https://twitter.com/Fight_DAESH/status/641766036421767168 1283599;1443005887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28896 @ 0.00075328 = 21.7668 BTC [-] {4} 1283600;1443006619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 214669 @ 0.00076097 = 163.3567 BTC [+] {5} 1283601;1443007046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20593 @ 0.00076428 = 15.7388 BTC [+] 1283602;1443007412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00075915 = 7.3638 BTC [-] 1283603;1443007656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00075277 = 25.2554 BTC [-] {2} 1283604;1443008266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.000751 = 31.7673 BTC [-] {2} 1283605;1443009974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00075397 = 30.5358 BTC [+] {3} 1283606;1443010462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3708 @ 0.00075915 = 2.8149 BTC [+] 1283607;1443011471;punkman;http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-happy-birthday-song-lawsuit-decision-20150922-story.html 1283608;1443011472;assbot;All the 'Happy Birthday' song copyright claims are invalid, federal judge rules - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9gfKg ) 1283609;1443012597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00075915 = 35.4523 BTC [+] 1283610;1443013634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32753 @ 0.00075915 = 24.8644 BTC [+] 1283611;1443014219;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283587 << hm, is it me or the no side is kinda getting spent ? originally it was very chipper at 5:1, but running out of steam at 2.x :1 by now 1283612;1443014219;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 06:54:44; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 24.66420430 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b27 1283613;1443015225;phf;http://emarsden.chez.com/downloads/mandel.ps << mandelbrot in postscript, apropos code vs. serialised formats 1283614;1443015226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ja37mQ ) 1283615;1443015408;shinohai;http://boingboing.net/2015/09/22/yet-another-pre-installed-spyw.html 1283616;1443015408;assbot;Yet another pre-installed spyware app discovered on Lenovo computers / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNof0B ) 1283617;1443015434;mircea_popescu;o hey shinohai, how goes the hunt ? 1283618;1443015933;shinohai;Still the same, casting a lot but no bites :/ 1283619;1443015948;mircea_popescu;you ever saw the stripper lulz btw ? 1283620;1443015957;shinohai;stripper lulz? 1283621;1443015976;mircea_popescu;one sec lemme dig it up 1283622;1443015984;shinohai;kk 1283623;1443016028;mircea_popescu;https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-181800.html 1283624;1443016030;assbot;Bitcoin Giveaway [Archive] - Stripper Web Exotic Dancer Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1ja5Xbw ) 1283625;1443016126;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - BTC to top $700 before November - http://bitbet.us/bet/1179/btc-to-top-700-before-november/#b36 1283626;1443016135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129600 @ 0.00076497 = 99.1401 BTC [+] {7} 1283627;1443016432;shinohai;"Who knew giving away stuff to strippers is going to turn into some sort of criminal case, seriously now." <<< Love hanbot 1283628;1443016462;punkman;was just looking at poloniex. you could sell ~300k eth to hit 0.1 now (and you'd take home ~1100 btc) 1283629;1443016474;punkman;err 0.0001 1283630;1443016614;shinohai;I've never seen strippers turn down *free fucking money* mircea_popescu 1283631;1443016628;mircea_popescu;so now you have. 1283632;1443016629;shinohai;1 whole BTC yet, thats pretty generous 1283633;1443016633;mircea_popescu;the fuckiung internet. it breeds stupid and lazy. 1283634;1443016642;mircea_popescu;goes to funkenstein's attempt with that guy yest. 1283635;1443016696;mircea_popescu;it would seem the "popular mechanics" interpretation of the internet in the common mind (which is what everyone no matter how brilliant in selected fields reverts to anwyay, in a process we call "the memory hole effect") is something like "the internet is an implementation of god - and a god that cares at that". 1283636;1443016789;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.94821216 BTC on 'No' - BTC to top $700 before November - http://bitbet.us/bet/1179/btc-to-top-700-before-november/#b37 1283637;1443016809;shinohai;Think what could have happened for a few of them with just a little research. Mighta found a way to invest said bitcoin into many times that by now :/ 1283638;1443016828;mircea_popescu;yeah, into p2p lending. 1283639;1443016885;shinohai;p2p lending kek 1283640;1443016912;shinohai;I'd put it in coinbr, but I didn't know of this place in 2013 1283641;1443017111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00075353 = 22.3798 BTC [-] {3} 1283642;1443017243;shinohai;I am seeing a correlation here though. You are practically giving away btc to artists that are doing it anyway, but most are too lazy to open a webchat and come to irc. 1283643;1443017260;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will love this one: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/coffee-shop-owners-face-backlash-after-pick-up-artist-podcast-exposed 1283644;1443017262;assbot;Coffee shop owners face backlash after “pick-up artist” podcast exposed | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vao3Gk ) 1283645;1443017424;mircea_popescu;lol 1283646;1443017513;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283583 << what am i looking at ? 1283647;1443017513;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 06:09:33; mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/virtuallylaw/status/645645873716850688 << check it out asciilifeform :D 1283648;1443017545;mircea_popescu;peter murck wanna "kill the drama" 1283649;1443017554;shinohai;I commented on that tweet kek 1283650;1443017563;asciilifeform;this is a what, a gavin ? 1283651;1443017576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one of the people killed in my recent drawing. 1283652;1443017580;asciilifeform;ah 1283653;1443017596;mircea_popescu;because you know, bitcoin is not backed by lulz and drama anymoar. it's backed by inept pencildicks in pretendsuits. 1283654;1443017621;asciilifeform;i confess i must have slept through whatever this was. 1283655;1443017632;mircea_popescu;anyway. it just amused me as a case of "bug shaped man confused that the future doesn't seem to belong to him." 1283656;1443017669;asciilifeform;it is very easy to be confused when flying in own jet while opponents starve 1283657;1443017685;mircea_popescu;yes, were that to be the case it would easy to be confused. 1283658;1443017720;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283046 1283659;1443017720;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 00:19:51; mircea_popescu: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/22/controversial-drug-ceo-was-accused-of-serious-harassment.html << so it begins. 1283660;1443017775;BingoBoingo;./bitcoin-qt 1283661;1443017783;asciilifeform;eh, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283072 1283662;1443017783;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 01:36:58; asciilifeform: also usg giveth, usg taketh away. a 'pharma ceo' has so much as one cent purely by the good graces of hitler - who helpfully keeps penny-a-pill indian generics mostly out of u.s. market 1283663;1443017797;mircea_popescu;"own jet" baby. you said. 1283664;1443017808;mircea_popescu;it's not my fault i end up repeating myself. 1283665;1443017820;*;asciilifeform possibly sees where mircea_popescu is going with this 1283666;1443017847;mircea_popescu;i'm staying right here! 1283667;1443017869;asciilifeform;point. 1283668;1443017898;asciilifeform;from same rag, http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/09/serious-imgur-bug-exploited-to-execute-worm-like-attack-on-8chan-users 1283669;1443017899;assbot;Serious Imgur bug exploited to execute worm-like attack on 8chan users | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1VapKUa ) 1283670;1443017973;mircea_popescu;and this is not (one of the) tor deanonymization tricks. 1283671;1443017987;mircea_popescu;ie, mandated hole in img hoster. 1283672;1443017990;asciilifeform;possibly the oldest 1283673;1443018153;shinohai;Shalom pete_dushenski 1283674;1443018220;pete_dushenski;guten morgen 1283675;1443018310;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/sRUZoaT.jpg <<< yellowfever.jpg 1283676;1443018311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jafrnl ) 1283677;1443018357;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283628 << huh 1283678;1443018357;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 13:54:22; punkman: was just looking at poloniex. you could sell ~300k eth to hit 0.1 now (and you'd take home ~1100 btc) 1283679;1443018366;pete_dushenski;;;calc 300000/2000 1283680;1443018366;gribble;150 1283681;1443018456;mircea_popescu;https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-421391-start-0.html some top keks. 1283682;1443018458;assbot;Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Enslave gnome-pty-helper ... ( http://bit.ly/1Var49q ) 1283683;1443018468;deedbot-;[Trilema] The strange case of the six hundred dollars and other stories. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-six-hundred-dollars-and-other-stories/ 1283684;1443018473;pete_dushenski;so anyone crazy enough to have plunked down 150 btc on ethereum's pre-sale would take home ~1`100 btc + whatever chunk of the bitbet they so desired before closing it out 1283685;1443018504;asciilifeform;'turns out xfce4's terminal app depends on it. it's getting pretty tough to keep a gnome/kde free system. maybe i should give in to the evil' << l0l 1283686;1443018511;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ^ 1283687;1443018513;punkman;pete_dushenski: seems like there's at least 30 "accounts" with more than 300k eth https://etherchain.org/accounts 1283688;1443018514;assbot;Accounts - etherchain.org - The ethereum blockchain explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Var9tZ ) 1283689;1443018539;mircea_popescu;punkman so i guess now we find out that "those were fictive" ^H^H^H^H^H^H ppls really believe in teh technologee. 1283690;1443018547;asciilifeform;where the hell do they get this 'tough to keep a gnome/kde free system' 1283691;1443018573;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: punkman fictive and/or ostriches 1283692;1443018587;mircea_popescu;aha. 1283693;1443018602;jurov;asciilifeform: many apps pull gnome/kde libs 1283694;1443018603;pete_dushenski;or better yet, 'civil gentlemen who don't do things like betting' 1283695;1443018623;pete_dushenski;'because gambling is uncouth and only done with vegas bookies using their scammy lines' 1283696;1443018627;asciilifeform;jurov: well, if we count gtk, then - virtually everything 1283697;1443018634;mircea_popescu;yeah, they're into this for the money, except they only want to make money by going long. shorts are bad mkay. 1283698;1443018640;asciilifeform;if we don't - can't think of anything i have on my boxes that would 1283699;1443018706;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: this'll sound strange, but shorts are 'pessimistic' and even 'cynical' in the eyes of the large-foreheaded 1283700;1443018744;jurov;asciilifeform: i meant these cases where the libraries spawn processes on their own 1283701;1443018755;mircea_popescu;right because there's a fundamental difference between equations that come out positive and equations that come out negative. 1283702;1443018799;mircea_popescu;like 1/x -4 is entirely a different thing from 1/x +4. 1283703;1443018808;mircea_popescu;this is what they teach in math school now. 1283704;1443019152;shinohai;Top minds of #bitcoin-assets: Is or is not Pope Francis a socialist? 1283705;1443019199;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu yeah should prolly bump the initial bet to .1 instead 1283706;1443019243;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the problem i see is this : forcing bets removes their signalling capacity. if i increase the minimum i just remove meaning from money. 1283707;1443019277;kakobrekla;how is it more forcing than now? 1283708;1443019308;mircea_popescu;now it's just 0.01, which means we suck the meaning out of a cent. if minimum becomes 0.1, we suck the meaning out of ten cents. which may be too much, 1283709;1443019322;mircea_popescu;basically this might be one of those situations where regulation is a loser. 1283710;1443019371;mircea_popescu;might be why the "2 btc minimum on sports bets" thing introduced last year nigh on killed sports. that may need to be taken off. 1283711;1443019426;mircea_popescu;but basically... it never occured to me that in point of fact bitbet's minimum acts as a tax. and a lot of other things in here never occured to me. i'm still reeling over the whole pile. 1283712;1443019625;mircea_popescu;anyway, im taking the local devs out for a breakfast hackathon. bbl. 1283713;1443019628;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m1j8r/accessories_for_the_21_buttboard_now_available/ <<< priceless 1283714;1443019629;assbot;Accessories for the 21 BUTTBOARD now available. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1jakTq4 ) 1283715;1443019938;punkman;https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/i-m-charlie-shrem-bitcoin-pioneer-currently-in-federal-prison-ama-t239.html#p393 Ver asking Shrem for prison tips 1283716;1443020039;punkman;http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2015/09/23/ebay-phishing-sites-hosted-by-ebay.html 1283717;1443020040;assbot;eBay phishing sites hosted by… eBay | Netcraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1jamBHX ) 1283718;1443020527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00076877 = 29.2517 BTC [+] {3} 1283719;1443021893;jurov;shinohai: https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/thank-god-the-pope-is-an-anticapitalism-socialist-2013-12-11 1283720;1443021895;assbot;Pope is an anticapitalism socialist — thank God - Paul B. Farrell - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1QynkNz ) 1283721;1443022149;shinohai;Thanks jurov. Seems today he is with the democratic socialists. 1283722;1443022485;lobbes;you also gotta love how he feels qualified to endorse the 'climate change' scam. smells like a usg appendage to me 1283723;1443022812;funkenstein_;good morin' lords ladies and esteemed bots 1283724;1443022845;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, what's goin' on with VW? 1283725;1443022872;funkenstein_;the notion that britney spears did damage to music might be compared to the idea that Garza did damage to bitcoin 1283726;1443022928;funkenstein_;while itunes listeners, CD collectors, and arena concert attendees are part of musical history like redditors with circle accounts are part of bitcoin history 1283727;1443023068;lobbes;I'd argue that 'music' is just fine, but it is the 'popular music industry' that suffers today. But, the masses have come to expect (tm) as they say 1283728;1443023181;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: vw is under investigation for 'studying to the test' atm. i'm sure they'll be slapped with a big ol' fine by usg and then watch their sales fall by 10-20% 1283729;1443023274;lobbes;yeah, didn't they alter their code to 'switch' when it detected testing or something similar? 1283730;1443023334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73666 @ 0.00075727 = 55.7851 BTC [-] {3} 1283731;1443023335;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283456 << thread 1283732;1443023335;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 04:55:31; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278736 << turns out that i was off the mark here. to wit : "Emissions system and fuel economy testing is conducted while a vehicle is placed on a dynamometer—think of it as a two big rollers or a treadmill—rather than driving on the road. The vehicle has only its driving wheels rolling (the front ones, in the case of VW vehicles). But the rear tires 1283733;1443023358;lobbes;aha 1283734;1443023387;ben_vulpes;lobbes: usg tentacle is the catholic church's only future existence 1283735;1443023413;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform that'd truly make it a little shop of horrors! 1283736;1443023413;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1283737;1443023483;pete_dushenski;lobbes: in essence, the usg's continued insistence that, in every regard and in every field, the map is the territory, is used to trip up both citizens and corporations wherever and wherever it might be convenient 1283738;1443023485;ben_vulpes;funkenstein_: can't really hold the streetwalker responsible for the condition of the streets now can you? 1283739;1443023494;pete_dushenski;basically, the usg is one giant boobytrap 1283740;1443023546;pete_dushenski;and vw's hindleg is stuck in a trap from which is must now chew its way out 1283741;1443023663;pete_dushenski;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/no-fixed-abode-rage-zipcar/ <-- excellent reference to --> http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/im_building_a_rape_tunnel.html 1283742;1443023665;assbot;Rage Against The Zipcar – No Fixed Abode ... ( http://bit.ly/1OuEoq9 ) 1283743;1443023667;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: I'm Building A Rape Tunnel ... ( http://bit.ly/1OuEoqj ) 1283744;1443023715;pete_dushenski;can't say i'd come across this tlp article until now. 1283745;1443023720;pete_dushenski;!s rape tunnel 1283746;1443023721;assbot;0 results for 'rape tunnel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rape+tunnel 1283747;1443023756;pete_dushenski;"Why rape? Because as an artistic gesture, it's one of the most impactful I can think of... It dawned on me that if the work [we local artists] created had never existed, the world would be no different than if it had. None of it mattered to anyone outside of our small and insignificant circle of peers. I wanted something that would have more impact...I want to make it clear that I plan to make the experience as 1283748;1443023756;pete_dushenski; unpleasant as I possibly can to anyone who dares to crawl through the tunnel. I will try to the best of my ability to make them regret their decision...I'll try my very best to sexually assault him or her. The tunnel is constructed in such a way that it gets smaller the closer you get to the project room. The bigger you are, the more difficult it is to comfortably crawl out. And trust me, I have a lot of secret 1283749;1443023756;pete_dushenski;s up my sleeve to ensure that I can overpower anyone that comes through the tunnel." 1283750;1443023770;pete_dushenski;^too lulzy not to keep on record 1283751;1443023807;pete_dushenski;'artist' is/was one Richard Whitehurst 1283752;1443023880;wywialm;shinohai, depends on the definition of socialism 1283753;1443023882;wywialm;:) 1283754;1443023975;wywialm;i'm no expert on catholic teaching, but under charitable interpretation, Pope Francis is not outside catholic guidelines on care of the poor and principle of subsidiarity 1283755;1443024192;pete_dushenski;wywialm shinohai et al., i refer you to http://trilema.com/2013/universalism-postwar-progressivism-as-a-christian-sect/ 1283756;1443024193;assbot;"Universalism: postwar progressivism as a Christian sect" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OuF5zQ ) 1283757;1443024234;pete_dushenski;pope poverty-spec isn't exactly breaking the mold here. 1283758;1443024570;wywialm;pete_dushenski, to be fair, i'm not sure how this relates to Pope Francis official teaching or private opinions 1283759;1443024585;wywialm;could you please explain? 1283760;1443024651;pete_dushenski;wywialm: the idea being that xtians are the original socialists, if not the jews before them. 1283761;1443024690;wywialm;as i stated earlier, this depends on the definition of socialism 1283762;1443024698;pete_dushenski;so expecting francis or any other clergyman of 'the people' to expound the virtues of capitalism or sanity is like expecting a potato to grow legs and start running marathons 1283763;1443024839;pete_dushenski;socialism : the political viewpoint that holds as its highest virtue the coercive redistribution of resources 1283764;1443024866;wywialm;then Pope Francis is not a socialist 1283765;1443024885;pete_dushenski;oh ? 1283766;1443025007;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1283767;1443025013;wywialm;the catholic teaching on the subject (afaik) is that there should be no redistribution, but that there are obligations to the poor that should be met in a non-centralistic manner 1283768;1443025053;wywialm;also, the effect - the redistribution - is not the virtue, charity, i.e. voluntary act is 1283769;1443025097;wywialm;and the virtue is the preservation of the moral order of society, of which private property is an essential part 1283770;1443025163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0007597 = 17.5871 BTC [+] {3} 1283771;1443025183;wywialm;what must be said, though, that in his private utterances, Pope Francis leaves much space for uncharitable interpretation 1283772;1443025217;pete_dushenski;eg ? 1283773;1443025267;pete_dushenski;the private utterances, that is 1283774;1443025367;wywialm;e.g. his adhortation he issued just after election 1283775;1443025383;wywialm;to my knowledge, it does not have a status of an official teaching 1283776;1443025434;pete_dushenski;;;google pope francis adhortation 1283777;1443025435;gribble;Pope Francis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Will Pope Francis Clash With American Conservatives on His Trip to ...: ; For G.O.P., Pope Francis' Visit to Congress Comes With Tensions ...: (1 more message) 1283778;1443025458;wywialm;evangelii gaudium, if i remember correctly 1283779;1443025472;pete_dushenski;wywialm: you have a link to transcript or something ? 1283780;1443025480;wywialm;let me look 1283781;1443025507;wywialm;http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations.index.html 1283782;1443025508;assbot;Apostolic Exhortations | Francis ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNYJbw ) 1283783;1443025523;wywialm;note that there is no latin text 1283784;1443025538;pete_dushenski;ya, why not ? 1283785;1443025548;wywialm;please ask the Pope 1283786;1443025580;wywialm;the same goes with his recent encyclical 1283787;1443025591;pete_dushenski;lol will do 1283788;1443025599;ascii_field;l0l, that pope is in town today, neon signs warning of it on the 'beltway' 1283789;1443025661;pete_dushenski;;;later tell pope_francis are you too much of a 'man of the people' for latin now ? 1283790;1443025661;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1283791;1443025682;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: he's a vat.-II-compliant pope 1283792;1443025703;ascii_field;iirc in usa somewhere there is a spare, schismatic pope who isn't 1283793;1443025707;pete_dushenski;and web-II compliant tambien 1283794;1443025707;ascii_field;dig him up. 1283795;1443025745;pete_dushenski;i'll leave that bit of homework to others, wywialm perhaps 1283796;1443025811;ascii_field;'Whem I'm released, the only restriction I have is travelling for the first few months. Other than that, Im allowed to use the internet. Im debating wether to buy the blackphone when I get out or just root an android ' << win 1283797;1443025895;wywialm;ascii_field, incidentally, the Vat-II does not mandate majority of His actions, beginning but not ending with the Mass and ecumenic policy 1283798;1443025901;pete_dushenski;"56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyrann 1283799;1443025901;pete_dushenski;y is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. T 1283800;1443025901;pete_dushenski;he thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule." << every socialist hashtag wrapped up in a single paragraph. no points for guessing who wrote. 1283801;1443025960;ascii_field;wywialm: pope has ~actions~ !?! who else, queen of denmark ? emperor of jp ? 1283802;1443026065;wywialm;well, the pope has vastly more power on His subjects than queen of denmark, if this is what you mean 1283803;1443026078;ascii_field;https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/lew/LEW_aohandbook.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/0Q12M1P << jail manual. handy. 1283804;1443026081;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gO0Coo ) 1283805;1443026083;assbot;dpaste: 0Q12M1P ... ( http://bit.ly/1gO0zJq ) 1283806;1443026122;ascii_field;'Confinement in any institution such as Lewisburg is never a pleasant experience. Every attempt is 1283807;1443026122;ascii_field;made, however, to make thi 1283808;1443026122;ascii_field;s institution one in which each man has the opportunity to “make the most” 1283809;1443026122;ascii_field;of his time. It is important that each inmate follow the rules of the institution in order that all 1283810;1443026123;ascii_field;may live in comparative harmony without fear or threats or intimidation.' 1283811;1443026198;ascii_field;'In January 2009, USP Lewisburg began a mission change converting to a Special Management Unit (SMU) facility. Therefore, the information in this handbook is for the general population inmates only (Cadre Unit).' << this is worth explaining. SMU is a series of 'special prisons' where folks are held incommunicado. instituted under bush II 1283812;1443026397;phf;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7sRArBiqnC4/SU7ROynutjI/AAAAAAAAAP8/sKqNE7ZyxHI/s1600/PBF244-Preach_Skate.jpg << 'man of the people' 1283813;1443026398;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gO1wBp ) 1283814;1443026469;shinohai;Ah great find pete_dushenski 1283815;1443026689;pete_dushenski;despite paul's opinion to the contrary, there's always a trilema reference somewhere 1283816;1443026830;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1283817;1443026884;pete_dushenski;wywialm: in any event, that's a 'world's tallest midget' competition. the pope is still just a politician representing way too many people and interests to be effective 1283818;1443026935;wywialm;again, only to my knowledge, he does not represent any 'people', however considered 1283819;1443027049;shinohai;I brought up the subject due to the statement he made that "I am not a socialist" yet in my limited knowledge of the subject, he has a lot of socialist ideas. 1283820;1443027078;wywialm;and this sentence, shinohai, is probably very close to truth 1283821;1443027081;shinohai;trilema, is there any knowledge it doesn't contain 1283822;1443027137;shinohai;This bs >>> checkpoints.cpp:59:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/nogui/checkpoints.d: No such file or directory 1283823;1443027255;wywialm;pete_dushenski, he may try to speak as the voice of the 'people', but it is clear to me that it is way outside of his mandate as a pope 1283824;1443027330;pete_dushenski;wywialm: ok. i'll bite. what's the pope ~actual~ mandate ? 1283825;1443027398;shinohai;To distract people from child-diddling with his flashy outfits ? 1283826;1443027496;wywialm;the most precise definition of this is the vaticanum I constitution "pastor aeternus", and this is to guard the tradition of the Church 1283827;1443027567;phf;shinohai: you're probably missing src/obj/nogui folder? 1283828;1443027596;deedbot-;[Qntra] FDA Regulatory Overreach Allows Price Gouging - http://qntra.net/2015/09/fda-regulatory-overreach-allows-price-gouging/ 1283829;1443027600;shinohai;I'll try manually adding it. I'm in the habit of deleting object files when a build fails 1283830;1443027802;shinohai;(-__\) #facepalm that was it ... 1283831;1443027930;phf;i think there was a conversation at some point how diff/patch doesn't create empty directories and you have to resort to .keepme hacks, it was suggested that the correct solution is to patch makefile.unix instead, but i don't think that was done 1283832;1443027948;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "Because in spite of prices being involve," << missing a letter here 1283833;1443027989;BingoBoingo;thx pete_dushenski fxd 1283834;1443028819;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1283835;1443029494;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283763 << Jesus said to help your neighbor; not to force your neighbor to help some other guy neither of you has ever heard of 1283836;1443029494;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 16:13:59; pete_dushenski: socialism : the political viewpoint that holds as its highest virtue the coercive redistribution of resources 1283837;1443029564;pete_dushenski;jesus is an entity very much distinct from the church 1283838;1443029580;pete_dushenski;this is obvious 1283839;1443029613;pete_dushenski;that the pope follows jesus' teachings to the letter would be like obama following jefferson's 1283840;1443029789;danielpbarron;if you mean the "catholic" church, then I couldn't agree more: http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html 1283841;1443029790;assbot;A True Church - Roman Catholicism Leads to Hell ... ( http://bit.ly/1iwRLZJ ) 1283842;1443029984;pete_dushenski;in this case, yes, i do 1283843;1443030001;pete_dushenski;as it's our subject matter 1283844;1443030369;wywialm;pete_dushenski, there is no letter in Jesus's teaching to be followed 1283845;1443030408;wywialm;that does not however mean that his power is arbitrary 1283846;1443030644;pete_dushenski;http://www.transportenvironment.org/publications/vw%E2%80%99s-cheating-just-tip-iceberg << moar on emissions testing with a focus on e.u. oversight. 1283847;1443030644;assbot;VW’s cheating is just the tip of the iceberg | Transport & Environment ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9zNhB ) 1283848;1443030759;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1283849;1443031521;pete_dushenski;http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/the-left-has-its-pope/ << wywialm danielpbarron 1283850;1443031522;assbot;The left has its pope ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9APKi ) 1283851;1443031536;pete_dushenski;"It is not poverty, but prosperity, that needs explaining. Poverty is automatic, but prosperity requires many things – none of which is equally distributed around the world or even within a given society." 1283852;1443031970;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1283853;1443032146;danielpbarron;> Paine rejected the teachings of "any church that I know of," including "the Roman church." << me too (with the exception of that one, which I found almost by accident through a mutual interest in the Ron Paul presidential campaign) 1283854;1443032195;pete_dushenski;o what was 'that one' ? 1283855;1443032225;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: so what's your way to limit wealth ? 1283856;1443032227;danielpbarron;the one to which I linked earlier 1283857;1443032230;lobbes;atruechurch.info << this one? 1283858;1443032232;danielpbarron;ya 1283859;1443032261;danielpbarron;I met the author of that site, and a couple of his daughters, one of his sons, and his sister and her son, oh and his mother 1283860;1443032274;danielpbarron;all at PaulFest 2012 in florida 1283861;1443032396;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: kill all the rich people when they get past threshold 1283862;1443032402;thestringpuller;i.e. rape and pillage! 1283863;1443032454;danielpbarron;and on the topic of socialism vs capitalism and the Bible, see also: http://www.atruechurch.info/slavery.html >> Believers in the first century owned slaves (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:2), and they were not instructed to let them go; but rather, to treat them with justice 1283864;1443032455;assbot;A True Church - Slavery ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9BLi0 ) 1283865;1443032474;thestringpuller;But /wind 1 1283866;1443032482;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: this'd be too hard to measure and even harder to enforce. honestly, a sterile male clone army is simpler. 1283867;1443032511;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: "As such, I would find it absolutely essential, in order to take this question to its logical conclusion, to murder everyone in my constituency extant and to replace them with an army of sterile maleviii clones (perhaps with the help of Monsanto because I hear they’re pretty good at this sort of thing), whom will be raised by robot nannies, so as to control for the differences between parenting qualities and s 1283868;1443032544;wywialm; pete_dushenski, you don't have to convince me that pope allows himself statements that sound dangerously leftist 1283869;1443032580;pete_dushenski;wywialm: is this another case of 'do what he means not what he says' ? 1283870;1443032616;thestringpuller;Add some soma and other drugs in the mix and you have robotic people who don't care about wealth but "maintaining" the machine that spawned them. Honestly in this context a differentiation of male clones would benefit society in the same way the Irkin empire in Invader Zim came to power. 1283871;1443032633;pete_dushenski;wywialm: because that opens the door to an untold number of personal fantasies, as has been previously discussed in the logs 1283872;1443032669;wywialm; is this another case of 'do what he means not what he says' << just the opposite 1283873;1443032673;thestringpuller;At that rate instead of limiting wealth, why not make the leader of society the person who happens to be the tallest, (if that is everyone is bred to be the same height but due to anomolies one or two individiuals are much taller than the rest) 1283874;1443032751;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: because the leader is the breeder, not the slave clone ? 1283875;1443032755;wywialm;do what he says as interpreted as charitably as possible and in the light of the whole catholic teaching 1283876;1443032763;pete_dushenski;wywialm: go on. 1283877;1443032795;wywialm;what pope means is not more interesting than your average intellectual 1283878;1443032818;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: actually no. in this context the leader is bred of "the machine". 1283879;1443032830;thestringpuller;lets say we have a breeding machine that breeds all humans. 1283880;1443032834;wywialm;what he says, in particular what he says officially and marks as his official teaching, is way more important 1283881;1443032851;thestringpuller;a few come out as taller, and are hence deemed leaders. 1283882;1443032871;thestringpuller;Eventually they die and more are spawned in the machine. 1283883;1443032878;wywialm;however, this pope doesn't seem to be bothered by such things as 'official text' 1283884;1443032893;thestringpuller;In this scenario I would say all men are a slave to the machine. Without the machine the species ends. 1283885;1443032950;pete_dushenski;wywialm: mkay then the issue at hand is from whence we derive this 'charitable interpretation' if not from his 'meaning' rather than his 'words' 1283886;1443032990;pete_dushenski;either pope's words are his words and stand as they are, or else they have an alternative and alterior 'meaning' and can be 'charitably interpreted' 1283887;1443033026;wywialm;well, catholicism has not begun in 2013 and not in 1965 as well and there is plenty of context to be applied 1283888;1443033029;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: and the machine came about naturally ? just like that ? 1283889;1443033085;pete_dushenski;wywialm: that's not my argument. on that we agree. but you still need to back up http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283872 1283890;1443033085;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 18:24:29; wywialm: is this another case of 'do what he means not what he says' << just the opposite 1283891;1443033107;wywialm;yes, that is what i'm trying to defend 1283892;1443033134;pete_dushenski;you seem to be doing a very circular and specious job of it :P 1283893;1443033143;thestringpuller;Well lets say the machine was created by protohumans (pre-machine humans), and then as a result became slaves to the machine 1283894;1443033155;thestringpuller;future generations became slaves* 1283895;1443033184;thestringpuller;the protohumans eventually die off and what is left is a human race dedicated to maintaining the machine, in the sense of the zerg protecting the hivemind. Here the machine is the leader not a man. 1283896;1443033196;wywialm;i'm not particularly interested in Jorge Bergoglio's opinion and what he means, i'm rather scared that this is far away from i'd like to hear 1283897;1443033206;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: can the machine have lazers ? for shooting non-tall slaves ? but then one tall one survives the blast and becomes the leader of the resistance ? 1283898;1443033260;pete_dushenski;wywialm: is jorge too socialistic for your taste ? or ... 1283899;1443033289;wywialm;but i'm interested in what is the Pope's teaching on the subject of helping the poor is 1283900;1443033341;thestringpuller;Random L0L: I'm Charlie Shrem, Bitcoin Pioneer currently in Federal Prison. << I'm tempted to ask, "Is your butthole still tight?" 1283901;1443033358;thestringpuller;^ Shrem's AMA btw 1283902;1443033379;wywialm;if this sounds ambigous to me - and it does - i'd check what is the context of what the pope says, and this is e.g. his predecessors 1283903;1443033422;wywialm;yes, jorge bergoglio *sounds* way too 'leftist' for me 1283904;1443033480;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, who would want to have sex with him? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279241 1283905;1443033480;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 03:02:00; mircea_popescu: nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare. 1283906;1443033525;thestringpuller;Look at that smiley baby face! We've all seen shawshank redemption. 1283907;1443033565;thestringpuller;Come on a lifer with no conjugal visits gets desperate. 1283908;1443033581;pete_dushenski;wywialm: yes, jorge bergoglio *sounds* way too 'leftist' for me << and yet, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283764 1283909;1443033581;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 16:14:26; wywialm: then Pope Francis is not a socialist 1283910;1443033605;pete_dushenski;are we splitting hairs over leftism v. socialism ? 1283911;1443033626;thestringpuller;^- pete_dushenski is there a difference at this point? 1283912;1443033630;thestringpuller;wind 4 1283913;1443033642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42092 @ 0.00075996 = 31.9882 BTC [+] {3} 1283914;1443033664;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: to wywialm there may be, tis what i'm interested to find out 1283915;1443033709;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i've always wondered, by definition, does socialism prevent natural selection? 1283916;1443033735;thestringpuller;By forcing society to be "equal" doesn't that benefit the stupid more than the fit? 1283917;1443033794;phf;doesn't cathoic church has a deedbot of some sort? i'm more familiar with orthodox system, but presumably they come out every once in a while to updates for canon and the catechism, "we found the previous belief that 10 angels can fit on a head of a needle invalid, and on the account of recent scientific developments in nanotechnology, we are now convinced that the correct number is in fact 17" sort of thing 1283918;1443033842;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: see, 'socialism', while we tend to use it in this manner here, doesn't ~have~ to refer to the societal level. it can also refer to, say, the family level, wherein it works quite well and, yes, prevents natural selection, which'd be the point. 1283919;1443033846;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1283920;1443033872;phf;in which case whatever pope says is basically his personal believes as a famous public figure 1283921;1443033881;wywialm;pete_dushenski, i hope not. i said that Bergoglio sounds leftist, because that is in my opinion broader than (at least economically understood) socialism 1283922;1443033919;wywialm;but i think there is difference between saying that about Bergoglio as Bergoglio, and as Pope Francis 1283923;1443033928;pete_dushenski;phf: catholic church definitely revised its opinions from time to time. see galileo. 1283924;1443033977;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: when you say from a family level (which is more decentralized in context to global societies socialism), do you mean immediate family? Dad Mom Borther Sister? Or do you mean a larger lineage: grandpa, grandma, aunt uncle cousins? 1283925;1443033982;pete_dushenski;wywialm: nope. that just doesn't wash. this is the EXACT same shtick as 'opinions of ceo of megacorp are not the opinions of megacorp' 1283926;1443033988;pete_dushenski;yes. they are. 1283927;1443033993;pete_dushenski;wtf else is a leader for. 1283928;1443034001;wywialm;pete_dushenski, i'm a little bit familiar with the galileo case, and i wouldn't put it as an example of revision of doctrine 1283929;1443034024;thestringpuller;and even here wouldn't socialism in the family unit prevent natural selection only temporarily? 1283930;1443034026;pete_dushenski;this rationalist dualist approach to division of the same mind holds no water. 1283931;1443034087;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: families are very personal things, up for each to decide where to draw the lines of 'close enough to care about' 1283932;1443034090;wywialm;i do not believe that pope has opinions, simply put. what pope says is what pope says *officially* and not to the journalists at the airport 1283933;1443034107;pete_dushenski;mnope. 1283934;1443034165;pete_dushenski;there's no official v. unofficial distinction to be drawn. none whatsoever. 1283935;1443034168;wywialm;i wanted to point that the level of officiality (at least by catholic criteria) is ambiguous even with most publicised texts, such as his adhortation or encyclicals 1283936;1443034193;wywialm;we have to disagree on that point 1283937;1443034197;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: yes but the affect of "preventing" natural selection from occurring in the family unit is only temporary. even d00d protected in parents basement until his 40's may never have kids. (or perhaps the barrier to having kids is so low the termporary shield against selection of any sort gives unfit offspring the opportunity to spawn with other unfit offspring i.e. idiocracy) 1283938;1443034229;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: imo in both these cases, it's detrimental to the species since the weak are perserved for no other reason than "because I can and I love my son/daughter". 1283939;1443034306;wywialm;there is difference between what i say loosely, what i say clearsigned and what i sign and put on the deedbot 1283940;1443034338;thestringpuller;^^- Whatever you say at this point is logged... 1283941;1443034342;pete_dushenski;wywialm: the only difference there is verifiability 1283942;1443034350;thestringpuller;^^^ and that 1283943;1443034366;pete_dushenski;which doesn't apply to the pope's case here. 1283944;1443034374;wywialm;no, as the pope does not sign with only his personal key 1283945;1443034383;pete_dushenski;there's no 'maybe he didn't say that' when it's verifiably on the record. 1283946;1443034404;pete_dushenski;wywialm: pope has multiple keys ?! 1283947;1443034453;wywialm;well, catholic church teaches that he received some from his predecessors :) 1283948;1443034466;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: your 'imo' as to the merits and value of intrafamilial socialism doesn't stand up against the biological and historical record. 1283949;1443034506;wywialm;also, he is bound by what has been signed by them 1283950;1443034507;pete_dushenski;it's much too expensive an action to be a spandrel 1283951;1443034546;wywialm;i think this is a good metaphor 1283952;1443034566;pete_dushenski;s/spandrel/vestigial << hungry brain hard at work ! 1283953;1443034567;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: but this isn't caveman times when women would fuck you based on how awesome of a hunter you are. 1283954;1443034605;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: hunter fucks women, not the other way around. 1283955;1443034674;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: my mistake; but intrafamilial socialism was beneficial in allowing the species to use "strength in nubmers" against say the wooly mammoth and sabertooth tiger. 1283956;1443034701;thestringpuller;In this instance I'd think weakest hunter is used as cannon fodder. 1283957;1443034722;thestringpuller;In modern times it seems to enable stupidity rather than squelch it. 1283958;1443034799;pete_dushenski;wywialm: well, catholic church teaches that he received some from his predecessors :) << doesn't add up with >> also, he is bound by what has been signed by them 1283959;1443034840;pete_dushenski;pope either owns the keys of his predecessors, and therefore everything they've every signed, or he doesn't and then he can pick and choose what to sign with his own key 1283960;1443034882;wywialm;he cannot contradict what they chose to sign with these keys, can he? 1283961;1443034903;pete_dushenski;either way, he is bound by what he says on record. not what he 'means' in the context of whatever arbitrary third parties may deem to be relevant teachings of his predecessors 1283962;1443034924;wywialm;but what he says is not obvious 1283963;1443034945;pete_dushenski;so you say. 1283964;1443034996;pete_dushenski;while you ALSO say "'do what he means not what he says' << just the opposite" 1283965;1443035002;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1283966;1443035007;ascii_field;holy fuck is this thread a snore. 1283967;1443035017;pete_dushenski;lol 1283968;1443035020;wywialm;:) 1283969;1443035022;thestringpuller;ascii_field: my piano teacher wants to talk to you. 1283970;1443035033;thestringpuller;he is like you but instead of computers he does piano. 1283971;1443035053;ascii_field;wawat 1283972;1443035059;mod6;piano reverser 1283973;1443035069;thestringpuller;Showed him a bunch of bash.bitcoin-assets.com quotes and he was like "is this guy russian?" 1283974;1443035087;ascii_field;what could've led him to that suspicion. 1283975;1443035091;wywialm;pete_dushenski, i already tried to clarify what i meant on 'what he says' 1283976;1443035114;thestringpuller;mod6: seriously he is a music reverse engineer. He can listen to a song and write down the chords on a single listen. 1283977;1443035124;thestringpuller;d00d is fucking magical like good ol alf here 1283978;1443035217;pete_dushenski;wywialm: yes, 'signed statements only', which still doesn't wash in mine eyes, but seems to be a matter of perspective. 1283979;1443035254;pete_dushenski;i guess you're free to do business with people who have this duality is you so please :) 1283980;1443035542;wywialm;if you meet, say, Warren Buffett, and he tells you 'sure, I'll give you some money', do you expect the cash to come from his personal funds or from BRK accounts? I'd expect from any officer to distinguish between his private actions and actions of his office 1283981;1443035595;wywialm;and with pope, the actions are primarily teaching, so i strive to keep this difference there 1283982;1443035655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00075012 = 31.8051 BTC [-] {5} 1283983;1443035681;wywialm;in particular, when i do not approve of his certain actions, i assume them to be his private and not official, unless proven otherwise 1283984;1443035703;mircea_popescu;holy log... 1283985;1443035713;wywialm;hi, mircea_popescu :) 1283986;1443035805;mircea_popescu; the notion that britney spears did damage to music might be compared to the idea that Garza did damage to bitcoin << still, i'd pay a little for it not being possible for britney to exist. and garza idem. 1283987;1443035833;ascii_field;^ deal! where do i pay 1283988;1443035835;mircea_popescu;if we can have an arrangement where these peasants are opressed into the dirt by boot to the face, i'm willing to forego ipads in exchange. 1283989;1443035835;ascii_field;this'd be lovely. 1283990;1443035846;mircea_popescu;because fuck this sort of rotten pseudo-creativity. 1283991;1443035878;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: poor people can't pay 1283992;1443035892;ascii_field;sure they can 1283993;1443035898;mircea_popescu;how goes wywialm 1283994;1443035898;ascii_field;pay last penny, sell shirt 1283995;1443035977;wywialm;quite slowly, but fine, thanks, and you? 1283996;1443035999;mircea_popescu;arguing with people in a layered cake. 1283997;1443036037;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1179/btc-to-top-700-before-november/ << gotta love how this thing insta-rebalances so the no side makes a shaving above 101%, ie, what bitbet takes. 1283998;1443036038;assbot;BitBet - BTC to top $700 before November :: 5.03 B (4%) on Yes, 118.82 B (96%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 38`035 (100`000 to 22`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuQ1uw ) 1283999;1443036051;mircea_popescu;srsly, the odds bitcoin breaks out next month are worse than 10:1 ? 1284000;1443036110;ascii_field;breaks out ? 1284001;1443036143;mircea_popescu;ie goes over 700 1284002;1443036265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25409 @ 0.00075129 = 19.0895 BTC [+] 1284003;1443036489;mircea_popescu;o hey, check out the ballas insights. 1284004;1443036490;mircea_popescu;"Fear assumes limitless possibilities: the thing you fear has infinite power, infinite resources, infinite resolve, unknown identity. Hate comes when you know them. Cyril Connolly did not say, "if it bleeds, we can kill it." But he should have." 1284005;1443036529;mircea_popescu;banal shit, but : there's two kinds of men. there's those who assume the usg is anon all powerful ; and those who've killed usg agents after being bored to tears by their inept begging. 1284006;1443036892;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1284007;1443036952;ascii_field;https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=460 1284008;1443036953;assbot;Issue 460 - google-security-research - Cisco AnyConnect Secure Mobility Client v3.1.08009 Elevation of Privilege - Google Security Research - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuR9hF ) 1284009;1443037004;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283785 << because he's an uncultivated hack. 1284010;1443037004;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 16:25:48; wywialm: please ask the Pope 1284011;1443037070;ascii_field;'The fix for this issue seemed to be modifying the file verification process to only allow a signed file which also has in its version information the original filename of vpndownloader.exe. This, along with the name change makes it clear you only want to execute the VPN Downloader application. However the code doesn’t limit the location of the executable file, so one exploitation vector is DLL planting. The downloade 1284012;1443037071;ascii_field;r loads a lot of DLLs from the executable directory first, so by copying the vpndownloader.exe file from Program Files to a temporary directory and dropping an appropriately named DLL you can get code execution as SYSTEM.' 1284013;1443037077;ascii_field;Run Moar Winblowz! 1284014;1443037211;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283826 << im kinda impressed with wywialm s rather well rounded understanding of catholic issues. 1284015;1443037211;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 16:58:16; wywialm: the most precise definition of this is the vaticanum I constitution "pastor aeternus", and this is to guard the tradition of the Church 1284016;1443037287;mircea_popescu;anyway. the pope has one job and one tool. his job is to provide non-breaking answers to any questions that can't otherwise be resolved or set aside. his tool is infallibility, which is to say that if he speaks ex cathedra he can't be wrong. 1284017;1443037307;mircea_popescu;this is almost exactly what the master of a harem is, for that matter. 1284018;1443037335;wywialm;re: infallibility, indeed, though i'm not sure if this is his only tool 1284019;1443037341;mircea_popescu;name another ? 1284020;1443037364;ascii_field;when's the last time he pulled that trigger ? 1284021;1443037365;mircea_popescu;anyway, i very much doubt there's that many people who are the intellectual equals of the task. the catholics decided that this must be so, but setting that doctrine aside, i find it dubious in practice. 1284022;1443037382;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that's the problem, the task is made significantly harder by previous idiots who didn't understand they were pulling the trigger. 1284023;1443037392;mircea_popescu;think of catholicism as much harder programming with immutability baked in. 1284024;1443037397;ascii_field;was gonna say. 1284025;1443037410;ascii_field;in engineering this used to be known as 'design space shrinkage' 1284026;1443037412;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder it hasn't yet fallen over. 1284027;1443037420;mircea_popescu;quite that, yes. 1284028;1443037440;ascii_field;as described by, e.g., rob pike 1284029;1443037449;ascii_field;in his 'systems research is dead' talk 1284030;1443037449;wywialm;he has more ordiary tools at his disposal, the infallibility is the ultimate. He may excommunicate, promulgate canon law, issue church penalties, issue magisterial statements, accept & decline ordinance of bishops 1284031;1443037474;mircea_popescu;the ordinary tools are predicated on the tool. much like i will go "do i need to pick up the stick ?" 1284032;1443037476;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1284014 <<< ikr? I asked a simple question, wywialm expounds on it in great detail. 1284033;1443037476;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 19:40:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283826 << im kinda impressed with wywialm s rather well rounded understanding of catholic issues. 1284034;1443037479;mircea_popescu;this only works because the stick. 1284035;1443037502;wywialm;ok, in this we agree 1284036;1443037528;mircea_popescu;aha. 1284037;1443037735;wywialm;let me only make the provision that the application of ordinary tools, while depending on the power you refer to, is not infallible (just to clarify, in case it's not obvious) 1284038;1443037750;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1284039;1443037762;mircea_popescu;anyway, "voice of the people" pope is a gross misunderstanding of the entire thing already. 1284040;1443037773;mircea_popescu;to francis' defense, he does a lot more of the pretense of that than actuality of it, 1284041;1443037775;mircea_popescu;but still. 1284042;1443037912;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1284043;1443038332;wywialm; to francis' defense, he does a lot more of the pretense of that than actuality of it << that is another good point 1284044;1443038333;mircea_popescu;anyway, if people be curious in latino-derpage, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opcin_preferencial_por_los_pobres 1284045;1443038335;assbot;Opción preferencial por los pobres - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre 1284046;1443038398;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i thought it was a kgb front 1284047;1443038411;mircea_popescu;more or less. 1284048;1443038503;mircea_popescu;anyway, the heretical, unwelcome, incorrect, impudent, poisonous, insolent, frivolous, vulgar, coarse, brazen proposition that the poor are not lesser humans but more, in contrary of nature, obvious fact and the manifest will of any conceivable divinity. 1284049;1443038948;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283966 << both of them, actually. 1284050;1443038948;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 19:03:27; ascii_field: holy fuck is this thread a snore. 1284051;1443039254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28264 @ 0.00075198 = 21.254 BTC [+] 1284052;1443039274;mircea_popescu;"Mustaches and beards are permitted so long as they are kept clean and neat." 1284053;1443039285;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wtf happened at lewisburg. 1284054;1443039980;wywialm;i'll be going, thanks pete_dushenski for a nice (even if boring to the audience) discussion 1284055;1443040108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00075113 = 28.8809 BTC [-] {3} 1284056;1443040779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00074873 = 34.5165 BTC [-] {2} 1284057;1443040996;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/646730673454059520?s=09 1284058;1443041511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00074822 = 43.4716 BTC [-] 1284059;1443042181;*;BingoBoingo starting to wonder if pogo could ever run bitcoind and a form of p2pool at the same time 1284060;1443042392;shinohai;Interesting thought BingoBoingo 1284061;1443042506;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Would likely require a deturded p2pool with a gossip sort of "pool with people I don't think are shitheads" Wot mechanism 1284062;1443042598;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1284063;1443042614;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: we don't have anything remotely close to a pogo-capable bitcoind. 1284064;1443042645;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: see recent, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280144 1284065;1443042645;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 04:11:51; asciilifeform: rewinding to, 1284066;1443042656;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: of course that is an obstacle. 1284067;1443043465;shinohai;I have faith in you ascii_field 1284068;1443043521;ascii_field;somebody else is gonna have to do it. 1284069;1443043527;ascii_field;i - elementarily - lack the time. 1284070;1443043623;BingoBoingo;pogo may end up better suited to simpler #b-a services that emerge than serving bitcoin proper 1284071;1443043777;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: gotta understand why i even opened the issue to begin with. the dependence of therealbitcoin on pc hardware is an extreme danger. 1284072;1443043785;BingoBoingo;it is 1284073;1443043809;BingoBoingo;dependence of gossipd (whenever it emerges) may face geater danger 1284074;1443043871;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: gossipd is a computationally very lightweight thing, and also does not suffer from network effect 1284075;1443043886;ascii_field;i.e. if three people have it, it is just as useful as if 33 did 1284076;1443043921;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: But the "network effect" in the sense of putting up more relay nodes with various people's trust preferences reduces DDoS risks 1284077;1443043959;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: correctly-implemented gossipd is intrinsically ddosproof. 1284078;1443043972;ascii_field;even one a single node taken separately. 1284079;1443043991;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: But is the wire DDoS proof 1284080;1443044020;ascii_field;depends which 1284081;1443044025;ascii_field;but who said you had to have just one wire. 1284082;1443044226;BingoBoingo;Ah 1284083;1443044315;BingoBoingo;http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/LibreSSL/libressl-2.3.0-relnotes.txt << LibreSSL removes SHA-0 which is apparently still in OpenSSL 1284084;1443044316;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9Sfq9 ) 1284085;1443044389;BingoBoingo;In other news, trolling the news with basic gardening http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Winfield-gardener-finds-strange-fruit-on-the-vine-328743471.html?device=phone&c=y 1284086;1443044391;assbot;Winfield gardener finds strange fruit on the vine ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9Sj9p ) 1284087;1443044444;BingoBoingo;Just in case it gets pulled https://archive.is/vx2c1 1284088;1443044446;assbot;Winfield gardener finds strange fruit on the vine ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9Skds ) 1284089;1443044449;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1284090;1443044491;BingoBoingo;The answer to the problem is not "tomato-watermelon hybrid" 1284091;1443044643;BingoBoingo;!up K1NGREX 1284092;1443044661;BingoBoingo;K1NGREX: That is an awfully declarative IRC nick 1284093;1443044837;lobbes;redundant, too 1284094;1443044855;shinohai;Doesn't "Rex" mean king in Latin anyway ? 1284095;1443044871;BingoBoingo;Dammit they edited the story before archiving to introduce part of the eggplant truth 1284096;1443045598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74080 @ 0.00074786 = 55.4015 BTC [-] {2} 1284097;1443045903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00074622 = 19.5137 BTC [-] {2} 1284098;1443046106;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/646787239616188416 awwwlolz 1284099;1443046168;shinohai;Somehow, I just don't think he's gonna respond to me on that. 1284100;1443046576;mircea_popescu;must suck to be reduced to trying to support yourself through whoring out your name, which you gotta keep telling yourself is somehow valuable. which it isn't, but desperate scammers don't have other options and who knows, really stupid noobs may not know any better. 1284101;1443046706;shinohai;I can't find *any* contribution he really makes to the space besides increasing popcorn share prices. 1284102;1443046730;shinohai;I almost responded to his baby Jesus analogy, but didn't want to offend danielpbarron 1284103;1443046873;mircea_popescu;this is actually a valid question to ask the muppets. "name a venture roger ver was associated with to any degree that didn't fail". 1284104;1443046902;mircea_popescu;and no, "bitcoin" is not an acceptable answer. what's next, "hey, he was an inmate at pleasant valley and it didn't fail either" ? 1284105;1443046930;mircea_popescu;he's definitely more closely associated with the cdcr than with btc. 1284106;1443046941;shinohai;xD 1284107;1443046977;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/646746115321237505?s=09 1284108;1443047210;shinohai;Has Ver ever made an appearance here? 1284109;1443047237;mircea_popescu;i dun recall. 1284110;1443047306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4283 @ 0.00074621 = 3.196 BTC [-] {2} 1284111;1443047367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50117 @ 0.00074559 = 37.3667 BTC [-] 1284112;1443047420;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/5bhh4j1.jpg <<< make me a sandwich 1284113;1443047421;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCaASE ) 1284114;1443047590;pete_dushenski;Yogi Berra, a Hall of Fame catcher for the New York Yankees whose mangled syntax made him one of the sports world's most beloved and frequently quoted figures, has died at the age of 90." 1284115;1443047600;pete_dushenski;in memory, some quotes : 1284116;1443047610;pete_dushenski;“When you come to a fork in the road, take it.” 1284117;1443047615;pete_dushenski;"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." 1284118;1443047637;pete_dushenski;“A nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore.” 1284119;1443047650;pete_dushenski; “Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical.” 1284120;1443047679;trinque;that 3rd one is excellent 1284121;1443047789;gernika;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1284117 << seems to me to be an argument against block size inflation. 1284122;1443047789;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 22:33:35; pete_dushenski: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." 1284123;1443047976;mircea_popescu;nice. 1284124;1443047978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29319 @ 0.00075212 = 22.0514 BTC [+] 1284125;1443047991;mircea_popescu;teh sandwich i mean. 1284126;1443048007;BingoBoingo;I was about to say earlier that one of the people on my shortlist of Satoshi candidates died today. 1284127;1443048304;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1284054 << pleasure was mine. 1284128;1443048304;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 20:26:20; wywialm: i'll be going, thanks pete_dushenski for a nice (even if boring to the audience) discussion 1284129;1443048465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.0007439 = 22.8005 BTC [-] {3} 1284130;1443048770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24163 @ 0.00074329 = 17.9601 BTC [-] 1284131;1443048913;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/9WTCxWE.jpg 1284132;1443048914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCeCdz ) 1284133;1443049279;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181693.msg12505384#msg12505384 <<< someone mentions bitcoin-assets lawgs 1284134;1443049281;assbot;Bitcoin XT Post Mortem - Group Discussion ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJP0RK ) 1284135;1443049441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00074272 = 43.6719 BTC [-] {4} 1284136;1443050404;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1284102 << please don't hold back on my account; it's not possible to offend me over some side comment. And regarding The Bible, I've heard it all. 1284137;1443050404;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 22:18:50; shinohai: I almost responded to his baby Jesus analogy, but didn't want to offend danielpbarron 1284138;1443050502;shinohai;I figured one snappy tweet was enough for him today anyway. First one was pretty good. 1284139;1443050539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00074238 = 9.1313 BTC [-] 1284140;1443051156;phf;is there reason why openssl docs snip by Marcel Hernandez is not part of canon? 1284141;1443051422;phf;oh i see what it is , nm 1284142;1443051831;phf;shinohai: you probably have rm_gitignore.patch applied, which removes .gitignore files from src/obj/nogui and nukes the folders along the way? 1284143;1443052105;shinohai;Nah I am experimenting with an arm build and deleted the folder myself, forgot to add them back like a genius. 1284144;1443052114;phf;ah word 1284145;1443052227;BingoBoingo;Weird, I was smoking out front and saw a camaro with the license plate "For USD" or maybe "For USO" 1284146;1443052426;shinohai;Feebs are checking up on ya BingoBoingo 1284147;1443052502;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I just kinda assume that nowadays. Apparently one of the local 5-0 lives in the duplex across from this house, but the only sign I get that he lives there is he stops there on breaks and says he lives there 1284148;1443052544;BingoBoingo;Not the weirdest thing though. The weirdest thing was seeing a train full of open top coal cars going through town from WEST to EAST 1284149;1443052573;shinohai;I feel safe knowing our government has it's eye on you, you're so dangerous and all. 1284150;1443052627;phf;creating jobs 1284151;1443052708;shinohai;Wasting money for no obvious reason. 1284152;1443052783;phf;!shasum wot 1284153;1443052784;assbot;sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 19156ac26b3007ee5d78dd7e882c2ba7228f0cef61a2bb2579e08a5e81836c9d 1284154;1443052785;assbot;sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : f76d906ae56e1c2582e66ef3427e0fcd7a5319d69fcfcbec0a7bcf1e02db5de0 1284155;1443052786;assbot;sha256sum trustlist.txt : 97b2a0630c22d02ae4c604a0caa031b72d6db600fdf788ffd78ca939f3d1d348 1284156;1443052794;BingoBoingo;Seriously though why would a train carrying coal move through the area around St Louis from WEST to East? 1284157;1443052968;phf;^- above values don't seem to be correct. i'm getting f76d906ae56e1c2582e66ef3427e0fcd7a5319d69fcfcbec0a7bcf1e02db5de0 wot_users.sql.gz and e431011e2a09122a8695a9a5d326d760f5da1e0fe40da112670d2bf694440488 wot_ratings.sql.gz 1284158;1443053102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34385 @ 0.00074358 = 25.568 BTC [+] 1284159;1443053284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00074196 = 18.8087 BTC [-] {3} 1284160;1443053392;phf;that was copy paste fail, but i'm still getting wrong shasums, http://paste.lisp.org/display/155678 1284161;1443053393;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAF7iK ) 1284162;1443053515;shinohai;488c71753df901d9e6b9ac8278cb6206f5ef05eebb9a8e760a8041b26d56bc2a wot_users.sql.gz 1284163;1443053553;shinohai;so yeah, diff 1284164;1443054320;mod6;<+phf> shinohai: you probably have rm_gitignore.patch applied, which removes .gitignore files from src/obj/nogui and nukes the folders along the way? << i said to disregard this patch. reason is, it wipes out output dirs required by the bitcoin makefile. 1284165;1443054451;mod6;oh, thought that said "should have" 1284166;1443054497;shinohai;Nah it was me derping and forgetting to mkdir obj after I deleted the other :/ 1284167;1443054498;mod6;anyway, yeah, just be aware that it breaks things with the Makefile. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000127.html 1284168;1443054499;assbot;[BTC-dev] Remove .gitignore files from Reference Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAGbDe ) 1284169;1443054547;mod6;ah, yeah, ok good deal. 1284170;1443054791;shinohai;How's that V coming mod6 1284171;1443054810;mod6;nice, actually. 1284172;1443054853;mod6;working on some cleanup. toposort seems to be doing what it should be, press is testing well so far (manual tests), currently writing the help info etc. 1284173;1443054913;mod6;i perhaps wanna touch on some colorization of the graphviz graph nodes depending on the signatory, we'll see. 1284174;1443054927;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1284175;1443054962;mod6;I also am considering adding a "pull" or "sync" method. something to check your local vpatches against whats available at the foundation. 1284176;1443054965;mod6;we'll see. 1284177;1443054970;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, it's coming along! 1284178;1443055011;mod6;oh, and I was gonna add a bunch of cucumber tests to exercise the V code to ensure correctness. haven't even started that part yet. 1284179;1443055014;mod6;but shouldn't be too bad. 1284180;1443055051;*;shinohai will test cukes as necessary .... 1284181;1443055095;mod6;i mean cucumber with perl is better than with java or ruby. might be nice with python, but again, that's not exactly my thing yet. 1284182;1443055127;mod6;so maybe someday, we'll have the gherkin with a python backend. 1284183;1443055166;mod6;walking my way through alf's toposort taught me a few things though. 1284184;1443055203;shinohai;Fuck java 1284185;1443055207;mod6;including that there is no actual way to have an else case for a for loop in perl. lol. 1284186;1443055225;mod6;so i had to kinda make my own magic there. was simple with an added flag + check. 1284187;1443055264;BingoBoingo;!up chatquack 1284188;1443055295;shinohai;I'm willing to bet you need 13 libraries just to echo "hello world" in java. 1284189;1443055351;mod6;well, arguably there are a variety of classes involved there. but you can make that happen with just the standard development kit, no special imports of packages are required. 1284190;1443055357;mod6;but yeah, java sucks. 1284191;1443055554;BingoBoingo;Java not only sucks, it is owned by evil 1284192;1443055609;mod6;no arguments there 1284193;1443055617;trinque;unblinking, eyebrow-less evil 1284194;1443055823;mircea_popescu;gas chamber kek 1284195;1443055835;asciilifeform;gasenwagen! 1284196;1443055865;BingoBoingo; gasenwagen! << Tis the People's Wagen nao 1284197;1443055908;mod6;The National Razor had a better ring to it. 1284198;1443055911;asciilifeform;faaaaaaaahrvergngen ! 1284199;1443055990;*;mircea_popescu is tempted to start whorehouse, call it people's house./ 1284200;1443056052;asciilifeform;prolly already sop in north kr 1284201;1443056339;BingoBoingo;Subminor 21 co lol https://archive.is/gnPW3 1284202;1443056340;assbot;pizzaface18 comments on ELI5 21Inc. (part 2): Why do we panic when mining pools hit 51%, but support 21Inc.'s inevitable 51% IoT-based pool? (Since it's "Not about the mining", it's about microtransactions mined for free by 21Inc51%Pool^TM?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxD97X ) 1284203;1443056361;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-24/make-it-unaustralian-to-disrespect-women-turnbull-100-million-dv/6800330 <<< "All violence against women begins with disrespecting women," Mr Turnbull told reporters at the launch in Melbourne. 1284204;1443056362;assbot;PM calls for it to become 'un-Australian' to disrespect women: $100 million commitment on domestic violence - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxD83U ) 1284205;1443056436;mircea_popescu;i haven't read bitcointalk in like years, but hey, i tend to read stuff people link here. and in that thread, iCEBREAKER dude is fucking breaking 'em. 1284206;1443056441;mircea_popescu;"Sure, go ahead and "challenge gatekeepers" with your TOR blacklists and awesome ~0% of network mining power. 1284207;1443056441;mircea_popescu;To the proposal of "XT?" the community overwhelmingly responded "NACK" (cite: xtnodes.com). So regardless of your fact-free preference-tailored extreme minority opinion, the debate is over, and was won on inherency take-outs + presumption (not to mention solvency and the a priori 'FUCK HEARN AND THE CORE DEV HE RODE IN ON' deontological imperative). 1284208;1443056441;mircea_popescu;"Shackles of the BIP?" 1284209;1443056442;mircea_popescu;Oh right, the 1MB cap is exactly like slavery days. Got it. That's not offensive at all. And neither are your first world armchair claims of resistance against censorship. You and your exorbitantly privileged critique of theymos' moderation wouldn't last a day in China, where real censorship exists. 1284210;1443056446;mircea_popescu;Could you possibly be anymore self-righteous and self-regarding, while simultaneously self-pitying? 1284211;1443056449;mircea_popescu;For very good reasons, XT got #REKT, and all the pretentious undergraduate Marxist pomo jargon in the universe won't help it be anything but a colossal failure." 1284212;1443056452;mircea_popescu;is the guy even here ? 1284213;1443056534;shinohai;I've never seen him, but I found it pretty nifty he mentioned #b-a 1284214;1443056543;mircea_popescu;if anyone still got an account somehow, see if he maybe wants to write for qntra ? i could read more of that 1284215;1443056549;mircea_popescu;but i doubt i'll be doing more tardstalk. 1284216;1443056566;asciilifeform;link? 1284217;1443056587;mircea_popescu;shinohai> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181693.msg12505384#msg12505384 <<< someone mentions bitcoin-assets lawgs 1284218;1443056589;assbot;Bitcoin XT Post Mortem - Group Discussion ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJP0RK ) 1284219;1443056593;asciilifeform;ty 1284220;1443056607;BingoBoingo; is the guy even here ? << My vague recollection is back in the day he wasn't an MPOE-PR fan. Usagi critic sure but though MPOE was just a differnet evil. Then again I am drunk early and memory flawed. 1284221;1443056640;mircea_popescu;i dun recall him ever running a "business" 1284222;1443056649;BingoBoingo;Neither do I 1284223;1443056664;mircea_popescu;well other than that who the fuck cares. 1284224;1443056671;BingoBoingo;I think him or someone with a similar name tried to sell a big bar-o-silver for LTC 1284225;1443056709;mircea_popescu;"bar of silver" and big somehow don't go together. what's silver, like a pizza an ounce ? 1284226;1443056717;mircea_popescu;how big was this bar, like obama standing ? 1284227;1443056736;BingoBoingo;I've seen the nick brg444 before though. Fuck you brg444 get in assWoT already. Also don't think I didn't see you shilling for 21's Po-Po plug. 1284228;1443056769;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly 10 oz or so. Less than a steak but more than the average dick. 1284229;1443056787;mircea_popescu;eh, rubber duckling's more than the average dick. 1284230;1443056805;BingoBoingo;Are you sure, with China ascendant and all... 1284231;1443056812;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, ada is melting my brain. 1284232;1443056876;mircea_popescu;lol. btw, anyone remember the rubber duckling incident ? 1284233;1443056886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is that in a good way ? like, licking it on a cone ? 1284234;1443056892;asciilifeform;mno 1284235;1443056896;asciilifeform;in the bad way. 1284236;1443056916;asciilifeform;like reactor. 1284237;1443056992;shinohai;I wish mpoe-pr was still there, btctalk was worth reading then. 1284238;1443057011;shinohai;She can certainly chew 'em up and spit 'em back out. 1284239;1443057045;*;asciilifeform wishes there existed some other typesafe, statically typed language usable on a microcontroller 1284240;1443057176;BingoBoingo; I wish mpoe-pr was still there, btctalk was worth reading then. << I think most people here value her health too much. When she left the Fillipenis wasn't so bad. Now it is pretty much all aids 1284241;1443057233;BingoBoingo;General question, did http://qntra.net/2015/09/fda-regulatory-overreach-allows-price-gouging/ seem to accurately capture the hypocrisy? 1284242;1443057233;assbot;FDA Regulatory Overreach Allows Price Gouging | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxEX0H ) 1284243;1443057385;cazalla;do americans actually pay such prices or is it simply a case where end user pays $8.80 (as we do here) and the goverment/tax payer is fucked for the rest of it? 1284244;1443057387;mircea_popescu;it's wordy and weak. 1284245;1443057415;asciilifeform;cazalla: you get ZIP from usg unless you are part of the blessedly indigent class 1284246;1443057419;mircea_popescu;granted it's a very difficult task because the issue is medicine (which is wordy by default) and the proposed jump somewhat distant. 1284247;1443057431;BingoBoingo;Ah 1284248;1443057443;cazalla;so what benefit is there in raising the price if no end user can actually buy it? 1284249;1443057446;asciilifeform;cazalla: this normally requires - at the minimum - multiple years of tax receipts proving indigence 1284250;1443057481;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Well consider before the price spike in question med was going for $13.50 per pill in the US and about $0.035 elsewhere 1284251;1443057498;asciilifeform;cazalla: 'buy' is a flexible concept in usa. if you have 'health insurance', it gets milked out to its theoretical maximum, and then you pay (if you have lines of credit, will max'em out naturally) 1284252;1443057507;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Obola care usually pays now 1284253;1443057511;mircea_popescu;cazalla insurance has no option but to pay. 1284254;1443057523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is demonstrably and abundantly false 1284255;1443057529;mircea_popescu;understand the evil of a 3 party system. the user has no say. the doctor decides if it's needed or not, doesn't care about the cost. 1284256;1443057534;mircea_popescu;insurance can not overrule doctor. 1284257;1443057554;asciilifeform;often enough, 'insurer' (misnomer, these are not insurance co. in the traditional sense) will find a way to avoid paying 1284258;1443057556;mircea_popescu;as a result, they'll be billed for a few millions, and react to it, gouging insurance prices by a few billion in a half decade. 1284259;1443057561;BingoBoingo; cazalla insurance has no option but to pay. << WIth the added danger that until Obola care came to all sorts of present evil could be vetoed by actual businesses 1284260;1443057571;asciilifeform;or at the very least leave the diseased chump with $maxint bill 1284261;1443057579;mircea_popescu;the societal cost of that cocky 20yo handpuppet is comparable to what obama costs. 1284262;1443057609;BingoBoingo; often enough, 'insurer' (misnomer, these are not insurance co. in the traditional sense) will find a way to avoid paying << This many times "insurer" is or was payment handler for actual business's healthcare claims 1284263;1443057615;asciilifeform;often this process takes the form of 'we will pay, but for amputation rather than treatment' 1284264;1443057618;mircea_popescu;and this is the main problem here : for ~20 years, the president was a sort of priviledged class, allowed to burn pieces off the country. 1284265;1443057631;mircea_popescu;but apparently the situation is degrading and every entry level project manager can do this now. 1284266;1443057649;mircea_popescu;or, to quote an anonymous derp, "are we comfortable with regulation introduced by a guy named bob ?" 1284267;1443057672;BingoBoingo;Recent corporate medicine where available has been move employees to medicaid so state feels the pain instead. 1284268;1443057693;mircea_popescu;which the feds love, let the state be bled dry. 1284269;1443057703;BingoBoingo;By "states" often happy to pay deficit 1284270;1443057706;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: understand, no one is eligible for 'medicaid' until whatever earthly goods he had, are properly and documentedly vultured away 1284271;1443057717;asciilifeform;e.g., if you had title to a house, it is to be sold 1284272;1443057727;asciilifeform;all of the 'turkey-buying dollars' are to be vacuumed up. 1284273;1443057730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we're talking employees here. 1284274;1443057732;mircea_popescu;what goods. 1284275;1443057739;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah. Only for the retired. Incompletely employed eligible by default nao. 1284276;1443057771;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ever hear of 'medical bankruptcy' ? 1284277;1443057774;mircea_popescu;the last "normal american" that had any value left in him was ambushed on a highway cca 2003. 1284278;1443057775;BingoBoingo;No income retiree with assets must first bleed much before medicaid. 1284279;1443057776;asciilifeform;it is entirely sop in usa. 1284280;1443057795;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure. I've done the chapter 7 thing myself about 5 years ago. 1284281;1443057860;mircea_popescu;let's play the "guess the size of today's apache log for trilema". 1284282;1443057873;asciilifeform;300 MB 1284283;1443057885;BingoBoingo;The obamacare new medicaid rules keep wealth tests for the retired and prevent incomes above X from medicaid, but low earners of nearly any net wealth get new medicaid 1284284;1443057896;BingoBoingo;173.47 MB 1284285;1443057898;mircea_popescu;more. 1284286;1443057904;shinohai;500 mb 1284287;1443057908;mircea_popescu;mmmm 1284288;1443057908;mircea_popescu;ore. 1284289;1443057912;BingoBoingo;1.357 GB 1284290;1443057917;mircea_popescu;still more. 1284291;1443057923;mircea_popescu;it is 2.9 gb for the love of fuck. 1284292;1443057924;BingoBoingo;9.867 GB 1284293;1443057927;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: understand that 'low earner' per usg is somebody with WHOLE YEAR OF TAX RECEIPT proving such. 1284294;1443057944;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Once again varies by state 1284295;1443057948;asciilifeform;as in, if i get sacked i get to starve long before could ever show up as 'low earner' 1284296;1443057955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not for you. 1284297;1443057960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no shit! 1284298;1443057964;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, you don't have to actually file. 1284299;1443057970;asciilifeform;no file, no handouts 1284300;1443057977;mircea_popescu;if you've not filed tax returns for past coupla years, you're still eligible 1284301;1443057978;mircea_popescu;aha. 1284302;1443057987;asciilifeform;we were speaking of usg payola such as 'medicaid' 1284303;1443057997;mircea_popescu;yes. 1284304;1443058013;mircea_popescu;they get you for insurance fraud on top of whatever if you file later and it turns out you had moneys. 1284305;1443058019;asciilifeform;it is strictly, strictly for registered members of the lumpen castes. 1284306;1443058165;asciilifeform;also (elaborated for n00bs) usg's definition of 'has money' is ~strictly~ about income. 1284307;1443058179;asciilifeform;whatever it is you blew it on, e.g., rent, is considered, in effect, discretionary 1284308;1443058346;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: medicaid is for everyone. It just isn't for you... yet 1284309;1443058378;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: by the time it is 'for me', it will consist of a complimentary cyanide 1284310;1443058405;BingoBoingo;Prolly, but Michelle Obola will likely be president if there still is one 1284311;1443058427;mircea_popescu;even with the very steam-punk techno-nazis cyanide was not for everyone. 1284312;1443058438;asciilifeform;only for attendees of wagner concert ! 1284313;1443058444;mircea_popescu;aha. 1284314;1443058458;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with strychnine 1284315;1443058463;asciilifeform;costly. 1284316;1443058482;mircea_popescu;cheaper than cyanide. 1284317;1443058552;BingoBoingo; what's wrong with strychnine << Occasionally results in angry hulk rather than cadaver 1284318;1443058566;mircea_popescu;makes for great cinema! 1284319;1443058588;BingoBoingo;Not really, Hulk movies are the super hero movies that don't make money 1284320;1443058614;asciilifeform;folks outside of usadom rarely know just how much the handouts, 'safety nets', and other socialisms ~strictly~ exclude the non-lumpens. 1284321;1443058661;mircea_popescu;well, people of the nordic system sorta-expect nordic system. 1284322;1443058677;asciilifeform;recall tlp's piece re: how a history of normal employment is more or less a kiss of death in consideration for 'disability' pension 1284323;1443058733;mircea_popescu;i would expect that probably changed. 1284324;1443058744;mircea_popescu;no other explanation for all the third gender survival observed in the fields. 1284325;1443058754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are proper lumpens 1284326;1443058784;asciilifeform;i.e. people who have never shown any symptoms of earning one's keep 1284327;1443058796;asciilifeform;of having any inclination to. 1284328;1443058811;mircea_popescu;this is not so. you're not born obese. 1284329;1443058814;mircea_popescu;gotta work for it. 1284330;1443058837;asciilifeform;obese or whatever other p.t. barnum deformity alone doesn't cut it. 1284331;1443058847;BingoBoingo; i would expect that probably changed. << Only really changed in healthcare and only in a way that ascii must eat shoes for a year to be lumpen 1284332;1443058868;asciilifeform;add several years for 'processing' 1284333;1443058903;mircea_popescu;so how do the fatties survive ? 1284334;1443058941;BingoBoingo; so how do the fatties survive ? << Two years of leaching off family and then "blackface" 1284335;1443058946;asciilifeform;partly on handouts from blood relations, parasitism of sex partners (yes) 1284336;1443058968;mircea_popescu;i dunno... 1284337;1443058969;asciilifeform;very occasionally (at least for white usians) - meagre payola from state ('food stamps', etc) 1284338;1443058995;mircea_popescu;dude... a girl that weighs what 5 weigh costs what 10 cost. 1284339;1443059029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: costs how ? 1284340;1443059057;asciilifeform;recall that in usa, the most calorific 'food' (i cannot bring myself to call it food) is hands-down the cheapest. 1284341;1443059061;BingoBoingo; dude... a girl that weighs what 5 weigh costs what 10 cost. << Ah, if girl can pregnancy. 1284342;1443059079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26404 @ 0.00074358 = 19.6335 BTC [+] 1284343;1443059083;asciilifeform;to the point that living on the dole virtually guarantees candidacy for that freakshow forum BingoBoingo reads 1284344;1443059089;*;mircea_popescu introduces by reference the mortuary services piece. 1284345;1443059123;BingoBoingo; to the point that living on the dole virtually guarantees candidacy for that freakshow forum BingoBoingo reads << This 600-800 calories to the dollar is not an unrealistic target in USia 1284346;1443059303;mircea_popescu;o.O 1284347;1443059304;asciilifeform;there is a good reason why the traditional stereotype in usa is that 'poor' goes with 'fat' 1284348;1443059309;BingoBoingo;^ 1284349;1443059310;asciilifeform;and vice-versa 1284350;1443059322;asciilifeform;they are almost inextricably linked. 1284351;1443059332;mircea_popescu;pretty good, i think i barely get 5% of that. 1284352;1443059349;mircea_popescu;srsly, a complete meal out of $3 ? no wonder inflation figures are down. 1284353;1443059354;asciilifeform;if they could get people to run on diesel, they would. 1284354;1443059357;mircea_popescu;better than thr 60s. 1284355;1443059389;asciilifeform;'complete meal' is not the best description here. 1284356;1443059417;asciilifeform;it staves off caloric starvation, but just about everyone who makes a habit of these 'meals' suffers from one or more kinds of malnutrition. 1284357;1443059431;BingoBoingo; it staves off caloric starvation, but just about everyone who makes a habit of these 'meals' suffers from one or more kinds of malnutrition. << Yhis 1284358;1443059471;punkman;how much pork does $3 buy? 1284359;1443059472;BingoBoingo;In a McDonalds burger most calories come from the bun and its added sugar 1284360;1443059479;BingoBoingo; how much pork does $3 buy? << Little 1284361;1443059520;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt there's any meat in mcdonalds&co. 1284362;1443059530;asciilifeform;most of the calories these folks take in come from corn fructose. 1284363;1443059531;mircea_popescu;looks to me a suspiciously like spraypainted soy 1284364;1443059542;asciilifeform;which is added to literally everything where this is physically possible. 1284365;1443059545;*;mircea_popescu goes off to verify this strange. 1284366;1443059575;BingoBoingo; i very much doubt there's any meat in mcdonalds&co. << WHen I was there the actual "beef patty" seemed to be all beef though small. Just what part of beef... 1284367;1443059602;mircea_popescu;The Demise of the High Fructose Corn Syrup Futures Contract: A Case Study 1284368;1443059605;mircea_popescu;omfg it's gone ? 1284369;1443059609;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you price this shit now ? 1284370;1443059614;asciilifeform;by crown fiat. 1284371;1443059640;BingoBoingo;Now "Taco Bell" has a new flagship item selling for ~1 dollar/400 calories mostly textured soy protein, corn flour, and other corn 1284372;1443059661;mircea_popescu;anywhay, let's say it's ~30 per lb. 1284373;1443059665;mircea_popescu;if memory serves 1284374;1443059667;asciilifeform;the other thing folks outside of usaschwitz sometimes do not know, is that the cost of the materials of the 'food' is only half the story. 1284375;1443059680;asciilifeform;there is also the fact of the 'fast' in 'fast food' 1284376;1443059725;asciilifeform;i.e. the victi^H^H^H^Hchum^H^H^customers are typically folks to whom ~preparing a meal~ is a foreign concept 1284377;1443059731;BingoBoingo; how the fuck do you price this shit now ? << same way sub saharan africans can buy anti-malarials that before gouging cost $13.50 a pop in USia 1284378;1443059738;asciilifeform;many do not even have access to something normal person would recognize as a kitchen. 1284379;1443059751;mircea_popescu;at the usual 4 calories/gram, 1284380;1443059765;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4 * 450 / 30 1284381;1443059765;gribble;60 1284382;1443059774;mircea_popescu;seems it's 60 callories to the dollar eh ? what 600. 1284383;1443059826;asciilifeform;a $1 bag of chips can easily go over 1000. 1284384;1443059835;punkman;4 calories per gram of corn syrup? 1284385;1443059865;BingoBoingo;;;google daredevil burrito nutrition facts 1284386;1443059866;gribble;Taco Bell® | Nutrition Menu - Nutritionix: ; Taco Bell® | Dare Devil Loaded Griller - Fiery Ghost Pepper: ; Taco Bell® | Dare Devil Loaded Griller - Mild Chipotle: asciilifeform but even in bulk that's 60 calories to the dollar. << Math is either off or FCS is now the expensive component of trash food 1284409;1443060235;cazalla;phf, was she hot? 1284410;1443060243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: organic chemists 1284411;1443060254;cazalla;because sounds like a good opportunity to invite her over for a proper meal 1284412;1443060261;phf;cazalla: no 1284413;1443060264;mircea_popescu;aww. 1284414;1443060279;BingoBoingo;http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50 << perhaps solid companion to ship out with ever pogo 1284415;1443060280;assbot;SP50 – Spondoolies-Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjTa4A ) 1284416;1443060349;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: outside of a few odd exceptions which you and i will never meet, mining is of interest strictly to borderline imbeciles 1284417;1443060368;cazalla;BingoBoingo, is that new? 1284418;1443060390;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is every bit the archetypical example of a sucker's game. 1284419;1443060392;mircea_popescu;Power Supply10 x 1600 W Form Factor 11 U rack 1284420;1443060402;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I spent a dollar for lunch yesterday at taco bell, I may be such an imbicel 1284421;1443060411;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Seems so 1284422;1443060415;phf;it's a coop with whole foods prices, they have a truly weird selection of cashiers, working there for a discount. i'd say trader joes has prettiest cashiers here, but that's a far away truck just to talk to some hipster girls. might as well go to a bar 1284423;1443060420;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, you wanted irl chips with tolerances ? +-10%! 1284424;1443060427;phf;*track 1284425;1443060435;BingoBoingo; Power Supply 10 x 1600 W Form Factor 11 U rack << reasonably even out power savings from pogo 1284426;1443060438;mike_c;mining is a good way to learn though 1284427;1443060444;mike_c;get your hands dirty a bit 1284428;1443060449;asciilifeform;a (former) colleague of mine bought something quite like this, at the time i had access to a cabinet with 'free' mains current, let him plug it in. it blew out the breakers. 1284429;1443060452;mircea_popescu;i also don't share asciilifeform's lowview of mining. 1284430;1443060457;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as strategic mining. 1284431;1443060464;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Also with saner p2pool could provide decent safety net 1284432;1443060470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did say 'exceptions' 1284433;1443060482;mircea_popescu;;;gentime 110000000 1284434;1443060483;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 110000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 3 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 13 seconds 1284435;1443060484;asciilifeform;some folks just want clean-burning coin without transacting in usd with anyone. 1284436;1443060500;asciilifeform;and don't much care what it fixed-costs. 1284437;1443060503;mircea_popescu;the case for owning one : you can in general expect your own tx to confirm in a month, n omatter what. 1284438;1443060544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only if you regularly add units to keep up with diff 1284439;1443060551;mike_c;BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin 1284440;1443060616;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: only if you regularly add units to keep up with diff << Then get four. You'll get at least 1 conf a month for a year 1284441;1443060618;asciilifeform;thing is, 'strategic' mining in the sense of 'protect' pretty much guaranteed to fail - because 'customs inspector's theorem' applies 1284442;1443060628;asciilifeform;you have to 'get lucky every day', he - 'only has to get lucky once' 1284443;1443060640;BingoBoingo; thing is, 'strategic' mining in the sense of 'protect' pretty much guaranteed to fail - because 'customs inspector's theorem' applies << Host in Sinaloa datacenter 1284444;1443060640;asciilifeform;enemy only needs to supply a temporary burst to kill you. 1284445;1443060689;asciilifeform;it is not enough to 'have miner', you need to control a sizable ~fraction of planetary hash~ 1284446;1443060692;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin << Altcoin had to die for our sins of believing in a monetized testnet for a few months 1284447;1443060697;asciilifeform;to count as 'strategic' 1284448;1443060702;mike_c;hehe 1284449;1443060970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00074649 = 26.1645 BTC [+] {5} 1284450;1443060993;BingoBoingo;qntra gets all the socialed medials https://archive.is/X01BB 1284451;1443060994;assbot;Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjUvID ) 1284452;1443061308;punkman;http://lolmythesis.com/post/129657314480/watching-disney-movies-is-less-fun-when-you-pay 1284453;1443061310;assbot;lol my thesis: Watching Disney movies is less fun when you pay... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjV6tP ) 1284454;1443061384;mircea_popescu;wasn;t this the argument against prostitution since forever ? 1284455;1443061398;mircea_popescu;somehow the same derps don't figure paying detracts from the quality of medical practice. 1284456;1443061435;mircea_popescu;"i wouldn't dare take a free abortion, but who knwos what evil paid fuck-professionals may do!!" 1284457;1443061443;mircea_popescu;best cognitive dissonance ever. 1284458;1443061688;BingoBoingo;FUCKING FAT ASS IMGUR https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/536627 1284459;1443061690;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjVKHH ) 1284460;1443061780;punkman;"looks like the ad network I was using isn't going to pay me for the last 2 months of ads I placed on my site. Which kind of sucks." 1284461;1443061981;BingoBoingo;!up tvmcsoqenc 1284462;1443062236;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284406 << yeh some of the girls at the stores I frequent are pretty cute 1284463;1443062236;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 02:03:33; *: mircea_popescu has asked usian cashiers out. 1284464;1443062394;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/S0vKRDP.jpg << Lumpen cuisine 1284465;1443062395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjWNaF ) 1284466;1443062427;punkman;"My gf don't know this but everytime we fuck I put $1 in a jar & thats how much imma spend on her for her bday. So far she gettin a mcchicken" 1284467;1443062444;BingoBoingo;lkol 1284468;1443062471;punkman;"mayo soup" ehrmagerd 1284469;1443062495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12315 @ 0.00074175 = 9.1347 BTC [-] 1284470;1443062608;phf;eerily reminiscent of prison "spread" 1284471;1443062725;phf;;;google prison spread 1284472;1443062726;gribble;How to Cook Prison Spread - YouTube: ; 10 Revolting Foods That People Have Made in Prison - io9: ; Jail House Recipes: 1284473;1443062772;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284231 << I had similar feelings but I assumed this was because I lacked experience in low-level language 1284474;1443062772;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 01:06:52; asciilifeform: unrelatedly, ada is melting my brain. 1284475;1443062975;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCfHn7UWAAAuG4j.jpg:large 1284476;1443062976;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjXEIo ) 1284477;1443063108;punkman;"anyone old enough to remember the PopUp wars knows this ad crap won't stop until it breaks the web, and gets blocked by browsers." << except you can still get popups, because fuck browsers 1284478;1443063136;BingoBoingo;http://thesouthern.com/news/local/dozens-support-confederate-flag-at-school-meeting/article_4d05f31b-5052-5a68-bf58-de4fa98a889b.html 1284479;1443063137;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjY01T ) 1284480;1443063155;BingoBoingo;punkman: Then change your browser 1284481;1443063225;BingoBoingo;And still moar from the white trash beat http://thesouthern.com/news/local/pinckneyville-police-arrest-member-of-country-music-street-group/article_462eabff-2789-5649-8cb5-6efaf1b96631.html 1284482;1443063312;BingoBoingo;Also Obolacation http://thesouthern.com/news/local/siu/siu-president-says-school-reshaping-no-new-programs/article_e06dd0ad-13f5-57eb-be22-40ba585e7945.html 1284483;1443063313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjYm8w ) 1284484;1443063319;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPng7LnU8AE6rZt.jpg:large 1284485;1443063319;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjYp4n ) 1284486;1443063324;BingoBoingo;"Dunn did highlight positive news, including a growing and diverse student enrollment." 1284487;1443063329;BingoBoingo;!up brg444 1284488;1443063375;BingoBoingo;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892378/ 1284489;1443063377;assbot;Skin Integrity in Critically Ill Obese Patients ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjYsgo ) 1284490;1443063386;brg444;!register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22 1284491;1443063386;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments. 1284492;1443063386;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1284493;1443063410;BingoBoingo;"Incontinence of bowel and bladder in obese patients is a common cause of perineal dermatitis which can increase tissue friability and place patients at higher risk for skin breakdown." 1284494;1443063429;BingoBoingo;brg444 Where does your public key sleep? 1284495;1443063466;brg444;looks to be alive there? http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22 1284496;1443063467;assbot;Search results for '0x4a0363951afa090b6c221787e2f23db84a63ec22' ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed ) 1284497;1443063505;BingoBoingo;Well make it spread 1284498;1443063630;cazalla;BingoBoingo, quit fat shaming me into losing the dad-bod 1284499;1443063675;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Mebbe if you had more dangerous wildlife than abbos and spiders you'd change your mind on your own 1284500;1443063695;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Also it isn't really dad-bod if you are actually a dad 1284501;1443063716;mircea_popescu;!up brg444 1284502;1443063720;phf;punkman: clearly russia, and from what i hear it's still a common practice. taught me to always carefully observe the weighing. i also have a 100g weight that i sometimes bring with me, in istanbul at spice bazaar for example i ran into much disagreement about standards and measures. a less conspicuous trick is to weigh a litre of milk, or somesuch 1284503;1443063765;mircea_popescu;brg444 did you just upload it ? 1284504;1443063766;brg444;yea. looking into that now but tbf this is sorta new to me. using this stupid gui and it doesn't seem to want to connect to pgp.mit.edu for some obscure reason. 1284505;1443063772;cazalla;BingoBoingo, sorta sad in a way but there aren't many abos left, all the drunks and petrol sniffers are at best half-caste 1284506;1443063813;brg444;attempting to submit from there gives me "error handling request. exception raised" 1284507;1443063815;BingoBoingo;cazalla: WHat do you think happened to the Aztec, their Navajo slaves, and the liberal Cherokee? 1284508;1443063822;brg444;*from there https://pgp.mit.edu/ 1284509;1443063823;assbot;MIT PGP Key Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuGUt ) 1284510;1443063844;BingoBoingo;brg444: WHat ciphers did you use to generate the public key? 1284511;1443063944;punkman;would make sense for assbot to grab dpasted keys like deedbot did 1284512;1443063958;brg444;followed pete's guide here: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ so 4096 RSA it is I believe 1284513;1443063960;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi ) 1284514;1443064040;BingoBoingo;brg444: generated with what verison of GPG on what OS? 1284515;1443064053;mircea_popescu; would make sense for assbot to grab dpasted keys like deedbot did << word. the shitserver dependency is turning out to be a pain. for kakobrekla konsideration. 1284516;1443064077;asciilifeform;weren't there gonna be a skstron for #b-a ? 1284517;1443064081;asciilifeform;as in, separate thing 1284518;1443064087;BingoBoingo;^ mats 1284519;1443064092;punkman;has anyone managed to register on the first try? 1284520;1443064095;mircea_popescu;there was, at some point. 1284521;1443064109;mircea_popescu;punkman yes. people generally do (see recently psomething fellow) 1284522;1443064122;asciilifeform;or is this now 37th on the list of things-asciilifeform-has-to-write-in-ada 1284523;1443064148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform making a key server for a basically defunct implementation of pgp not really much of a priority 1284524;1443064153;mircea_popescu;first, we rewritre gpg. 1284525;1443064159;mircea_popescu;properl;y, this time. 1284526;1443064168;asciilifeform;what do you think i've been doing. 1284527;1443064180;mircea_popescu;fucking organic chemistrists ? 1284528;1443064184;mircea_popescu;how should i know! 1284529;1443064198;brg444;GPG 1.2 on OSX 10.7.5 1284530;1443064206;punkman;asciilifeform: made some conflicting patches earlier and got the deconflict thing working 1284531;1443064228;asciilifeform;punkman: neato 1284532;1443064262;asciilifeform;btw, for anyone else contemplating pgp, the retardation really flows from the protocol 1284533;1443064298;BingoBoingo; GPG 1.2 on OSX 10.7.5 << The correct answer to this question was "Fuck you for asking" but since you raised the issue something in the 1.4 series may work better. GPG 2 is right out of the game. 1284534;1443064300;asciilifeform;it is possible in principle to write a provably-correct implementation of a subset of rfc4880, but the result is still horrendously ugly. 1284535;1443064311;brg444;let's see here 1284536;1443064315;brg444;!register 0x4a0363951afa090b6c221787e2f23db84a63ec22 1284537;1443064315;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1284538;1443064320;brg444;!register 4a0363951afa090b6c221787e2f23db84a63ec22 1284539;1443064320;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments. 1284540;1443064320;assbot;Key 4A63EC22 / "Alexandre Bergeron " successfully imported. 1284541;1443064320;assbot;Registration successful. 1284542;1443064333;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00690000 BTC on 'No' - BTC to reach $1000 or more in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1169/btc-to-reach-1000-or-more-in-2015/#b21 1284543;1443064337;brg444;well there we go 1284544;1443064376;BingoBoingo;!rate brg444 1 new, not a lost cause yet 1284545;1443064377;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/09ca5a90c8a1ffba 1284546;1443064420;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:b16f55b4ab1b8146f179ef6828c942cb7a6134f411dddef478a4d29ce5cb2b2d 1284547;1443064421;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for brg444 with note: new, not a lost cause yet 1284548;1443064449;BingoBoingo;brg444: You can !up yourself nao in assbot pm 1284549;1443064514;brg444;great, that was long time due. I do think I was closing in on the mandatory 6 months reading off the logs 1284550;1443064515;brg444;thx 1284551;1443064538;mircea_popescu;more power to ya. 1284552;1443064553;BingoBoingo;Well, that's rare then. Most people now seem to register and hopefully later fuck off to 6 months of lawgs 1284553;1443064554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not wholly convinced that 'key server' is a right thing at all. 1284554;1443064561;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the protocol has to be restated and /me does not feel equal to the task 1284555;1443064566;mircea_popescu;me either. 1284556;1443064577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider, for instance, that there is nothing whatsoever preventing a galactic spam flood 1284557;1443064591;mircea_popescu;immutable. 1284558;1443064597;asciilifeform;key set really ought to be a thing synced once a year at mircea_popescuconf 1284559;1443064610;mircea_popescu;if so inclined, i could just set a box too old to be bitcoin node to generate and register gpg sigs 1284560;1443064615;asciilifeform;aha 1284561;1443064616;asciilifeform;trivial. 1284562;1443064624;mircea_popescu;hopefully they got 8gb blocks. 1284563;1443064634;asciilifeform;1liner. 1284564;1443064637;brg444;BingoBoingo: about 21inc. can't say I am not guilty of charge :/ 1284565;1443064720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' 1284566;1443064723;asciilifeform;it is an atrocity. 1284567;1443064735;asciilifeform;one modulus, one key, as the gods intended. 1284568;1443064769;asciilifeform;the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). 1284569;1443064796;asciilifeform;ought to be able to include any subset of a pubmod with a signature or ciphertext - up to all of it, if i want. 1284570;1443064810;brg444;mircea_popescu: funny you mention iCEBREAKER, was just having a chat with him the other day as he was inquiring about b-a thinking I was already in seeing as regularly quote content from trilema/logs. will let him know about your "interest". 1284571;1443064882;asciilifeform;the third and all-encompassing atrocity of rfc2440/4880 is the idiot cruft pertaining to 'new' vs 'old' packet formats, the magical constants specifying largely antiquated block ciphers and hash algos, etc. 1284572;1443064891;asciilifeform;more or less the whole document. 1284573;1443064991;asciilifeform;another annoyance is the inclusion of zlib. 1284574;1443065016;asciilifeform;yes, there is a 'do i want zlib' flag in pubkey, but EVERYONE here has it set. 1284575;1443065048;asciilifeform;traditional whizzzdum is that it somehow improves seek00rity by making the plaintext less structured. 1284576;1443065057;asciilifeform;(except that it very clearly adds structure of another kind) 1284577;1443065065;asciilifeform;aaand is an attack vector of its own. 1284578;1443065108;asciilifeform;(not only in the added complexity of a zlib decoder, but in the fact that a message's actual length remains unknown until your start shitting it out) 1284579;1443065200;asciilifeform;i could go on. and on. 1284580;1443065224;asciilifeform;but i won't, because the rfc is so retarded that it will kill your brain cells just by being told of it. 1284581;1443065283;asciilifeform;pgp is just another one of those ancient workhorses that begs for the glue factory, but there is NO ALTERNATIVE to it 1284582;1443065312;asciilifeform;just as there is no alternative to, e.g., ada 1284583;1443065350;asciilifeform;(will somebody PLEASE wake me up if they learn of an alternative to ada?!!!) 1284584;1443065368;asciilifeform;pretty please ? 1284585;1443065407;punkman;you'll be sleeping ad libitum before that happens 1284586;1443065571;BingoBoingo;!up brg444 1284587;1443065588;asciilifeform;punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444 1284588;1443065588;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.' 1284589;1443065698;asciilifeform;everybody 'sleeps ad libitum' eventually. 1284590;1443065740;lobbes;BingoBoingo: daww you should have let him !up himself 1284591;1443065752;punkman;asciilifeform: exactly :P 1284592;1443065761;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Not everyone handles it the first time 1284593;1443065777;BingoBoingo;brg444: Seriously !up yourself 1284594;1443065802;brg444;just did, do I get voiced down automatically after a certain time? 1284595;1443065831;punkman;you gotta !v after !up 1284596;1443065849;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b3 1284597;1443066013;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. 1284598;1443066031;asciilifeform;these are just short of bursting at the seams. 1284599;1443066687;BingoBoingo;!down brg444 1284600;1443066712;asciilifeform;welcome brg444 1284601;1443066756;brg444;thanks. 1284602;1443066953;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/NotXT:1.7.3.2 << lulzy. one of yours ? 1284603;1443066955;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVb38B ) 1284604;1443066967;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mebbe... 1284605;1443067657;brg444;speaking of lulzy matters: https://np.reddit.com/r/vzla/comments/3m1crr/whats_going_on_in_venezuela_economically_outsider/cvb6vd5?context=3 1284606;1443067660;assbot;ciberaj comments on Whats going on in Venezuela (Economically)? Outsider asking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVc5Bv ) 1284607;1443067660;brg444;"The government implemented a system in which you are given only one day of the week to be able to buy and this is decided according to your ID number." 1284608;1443069013;BingoBoingo;OH SHIT https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/ 1284609;1443069014;assbot;BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.02 B (95%) on Yes, 0.58 B (5%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`980 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg ) 1284610;1443069050;mike_c;yeah.. that's a good one 1284611;1443069147;BingoBoingo;Already getting more bettors 1284612;1443070672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00074259 = 34.0106 BTC [+] 1284613;1443071221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29085 @ 0.00075161 = 21.8606 BTC [+] {3} 1284614;1443072990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14515 @ 0.00075577 = 10.97 BTC [+] 1284615;1443073417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44671 @ 0.00075463 = 33.7101 BTC [-] {3} 1284616;1443075003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8579 @ 0.00075168 = 6.4487 BTC [-] {2} 1284617;1443075064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14061 @ 0.00074259 = 10.4416 BTC [-] 1284618;1443075488;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head." 1284619;1443075498;mircea_popescu;it's up there with the fucking PICTURE. 1284620;1443075514;mircea_popescu;shoot anyone who ever put a fucking pic in their god damned comment field. 1284621;1443075536;mircea_popescu;i mean, a blob i can see, for whatever crazy purposes. but an actual fucking picture ? with like a dog and a dumbass hat too ? shoot the fucker. 1284622;1443075586;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/i1u3sqq.gif hashtag selfie 1284623;1443075591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ixO1am ) 1284624;1443075745;mircea_popescu;at first i thought she's tied up to that thing 1284625;1443075892;mircea_popescu; the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output. 1284626;1443076043;mircea_popescu; in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. << i see 64. not really a big deal there. 1284627;1443076088;mircea_popescu;venezuela is one step ahead of argentina on the path of being the future of the united states. 1284628;1443076345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00075305 = 21.5372 BTC [+] 1284629;1443076380;mircea_popescu;but anyway, sure, if anyone's looking to buy she-meat, in this side of the world, fine place to do it. 1284630;1443076567;cazalla;i imagine that is like buying a car mircea_popescu 1284631;1443076578;mircea_popescu;more like buying a mule. 1284632;1443076655;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXEI5LoE8AA 1284633;1443076656;assbot;So You Want to Buy a Mule? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Btn1 ) 1284634;1443076769;mircea_popescu;(mostly quoted for the part where the guy says you can tell the animal's disposition by its coat color.) 1284635;1443076847;cazalla;white ones are higher maintenance too 1284636;1443077051;mircea_popescu;eh, higher. what's it, 6% ? 1284637;1443077060;mircea_popescu;if you're that squeezed for margin you don't belong there anyway. 1284638;1443077077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00074187 = 30.0086 BTC [-] {3} 1284639;1443078386;mircea_popescu;incidentally mod6 , i'm seeing just about 1.2g memory footprint. how about yours ? 1284640;1443079067;cazalla;mircea_popescu, can't be many here who would be in the position to buy em anyway 1284641;1443079123;mircea_popescu;kinda need an arizona or i guess australia ranch for that. 1284642;1443079133;mircea_popescu;mule's kinda no good outside of scrub brush. 1284643;1443079334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00075305 = 2.2968 BTC [+] 1284644;1443080138;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m3zfu/why_is_cppethereum_now_calling_their_projects/ << ethereum derps wanna misrepresent themselves as "Web 3.0", because yeah, totally, that's something you wanna be after the shocking failure of web 2.0 and the trail of black eyes it left behind. o reilly turned a publishing powerhouse into a vanity press stuck churning the memoirs of ex boxers, Derp-on Derpopo-lous and Br 1284645;1443080140;assbot;Why is cpp-ethereum now calling their projects webthree? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQiUY ) 1284646;1443080140;mircea_popescu;ette Fiddler by betting on web 2.0 so why would any sane team with a good strategist not jump right into that toxic sludge pool! 1284647;1443080189;mircea_popescu;and of course create a ton of confusion downstream because hey, why the fuck not be as weird as Mr. W.T.F Osstrich here : http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/659f9790a30cc72738a89b2f5fa59297.jpg 1284648;1443080190;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQrb2 ) 1284649;1443080212;mircea_popescu;i hope whoever's in charge of this got paid for being this fucking stupid, it just wouldn't do any other way. 1284650;1443080273;mircea_popescu;buncha fucken farm hands and colored pest control professionals mistaking themselves for white men in suits, for a pinata of ridiculous the likes of which. 1284651;1443080412;mircea_popescu;im starting to inkle towards understanding what prussian school officers must have felt and thought meeting the russians "on the field" cca 1916, in the sense that if they chased fast enough they could sorta get within a hundred leagues of the revolutionary committee organised "military units" running away from the front. 1284652;1443080445;mircea_popescu;"an army of the people!!11" 1284653;1443080690;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/4IlW6E2.jpg 80085 1284654;1443080691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRgke ) 1284655;1443080811;mircea_popescu;80085 wuts ? 1284656;1443080834;punkman;boobs 1284657;1443080868;mircea_popescu;i only see two! 1284658;1443080881;mircea_popescu;anyway, who's the girl ? dja know 'er ? 1284659;1443080965;punkman;hmm google says "Velma chan" 1284660;1443081059;mircea_popescu;lol bitpay's "free forever" nonsense lasted almost about a whole year. 1284661;1443081076;mircea_popescu;and they STILL haven't got the fucking lesson of Natalie, or a first inkling about how to communicate. 1284662;1443081153;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/Z7SOa1U.jpg and backside 1284663;1443081154;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRY0K ) 1284664;1443081174;mircea_popescu;;;isup archive.is 1284665;1443081175;gribble;archive.is is up 1284666;1443081208;mircea_popescu;i dun think so. all it got up is a linein, img src="http://www.henley-putnam.edu/Portals/_default/Skins/henley/images/loading.gif" 1284667;1443081218;mircea_popescu;"Accredited Online University, Counter Terrorism Training" 1284668;1443081221;mircea_popescu;which... whatevs. 1284669;1443081286;punkman;works here 1284670;1443081296;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm special. 1284671;1443081335;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2A0ZWZ2 << is that their ga code punkman ? 1284672;1443081337;assbot;dpaste: 2A0ZWZ2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNtTli ) 1284673;1443081379;punkman;ah on the last bit.ly link, yeah I get that too 1284674;1443081433;punkman;does it even archive direct image links? 1284675;1443081472;mircea_popescu;i get that on the root. 1284676;1443082156;punkman;I get the usual page on archive.is root, weird 1284677;1443082226;mircea_popescu;are you seeing 128.199.255.85 or a diff server ? 1284678;1443082309;punkman;139.162.197.127 if I ping it 1284679;1443082458;mircea_popescu;nope al;so dun work. 1284680;1443082933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00074169 = 39.3096 BTC [-] {3} 1284681;1443083039;cazalla;apparently these are popping up in australia, remote area no less (Eurora, VIC - which is like 3 hours from Melbourne) yet i've never even seen on the road http://i.imgur.com/F89Wi8C.jpg 1284682;1443083040;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNwbAL ) 1284683;1443083062;cazalla;never seen one as in never seen a tesla irl 1284684;1443083617;mircea_popescu;you kinda have to have the powerstations before you can really sell the cars i think 1284685;1443083808;cazalla;apparently they're being installed along the hume highway which is a highway around 1000km in length which connects sydney<->melbourne as well as a bunch of rural towns together, but from what i've read, you'd have to stop every 200-250 km to recharge this car for 45m, meaning the trip takes an extra 3 hours.. keeping in mind my piece of shit car does 750km of that trip on one tank 1284686;1443083824;davout;bonjour messieurs dames 1284687;1443083869;davout;australia sounds like one of the worst fits for electric cars 1284688;1443083886;mircea_popescu;well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot. 1284689;1443083916;davout;one of the first things I was told when arriving in melbourne was 1284690;1443083924;davout;"don't like the weather? wait half an hour" 1284691;1443083929;mircea_popescu;"if she's not blonde she prolly has aids" ? 1284692;1443083934;mircea_popescu;oh. 1284693;1443083936;davout;kek 1284694;1443083963;cazalla;davout, yeah melbourne is a bit like that.. 4 seasons in one day is the saying 1284695;1443084171;cazalla;voted world's most livable city but really, the food is shit, the people are shit, the architexture is shit, the weather is shit, the soil is shit, the housing is shit stacked upon shit, the traffic is even shittier, it's shit 1284696;1443084239;cazalla;obviously, nfi who votes for such rigged polls in the first place 1284697;1443084291;davout;cazalla: you guys do have good weed 1284698;1443084300;davout;though :D 1284699;1443084373;cazalla;well i wouldn't know anything of the sort but last i heard, it was all asians growing hydro 1284700;1443084473;davout;i agree on the food though 1284701;1443084479;cazalla;although you can always go to nimbim for mardigrass, lovely girls and all that http://tonylpartridge.com/2015/nimbin-mardigrass-2015/ 1284702;1443084482;assbot;Nimbin MardiGrass 2015 | Tony Partridge Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNxH65 ) 1284703;1443084507;davout;i stayed with an audtralian roommate, he was amazed that i actually cooked 1284704;1443084535;davout;as in anything different than "open package, shove in mouth" 1284705;1443084596;deedbot-;[Trilema] Time to rehash that old strategic superiority discussion. - http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/ 1284706;1443085516;davout;deedbot- only does trilema. 1284707;1443085518;davout;? 1284708;1443086018;punkman;davout, it does all the feeds now 1284709;1443086106;davout;punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque 1284710;1443086684;mircea_popescu;cazalla all those chicks are dressed ? 1284711;1443086690;mircea_popescu;provided they're not actually skinny guys... 1284712;1443086726;cazalla;seen better pics before, just can't remember where 1284713;1443086742;cazalla;and fucking google thinks i'm searching for mardi gras 1284714;1443086786;cazalla;here ya go lol http://hermetic.blog.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/00/01/39/97/1399780/files/nimbin-mardi-grass/ganga-faerie-elders.jpg 1284715;1443086788;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvSEiy ) 1284716;1443086803;davout;can't unsee 1284717;1443086804;cazalla;courtesy of google 1284718;1443086825;mircea_popescu;seems australian alright. 1284719;1443086833;mircea_popescu;who else paints their snatch dogvomit green 1284720;1443087086;davout;i'd be tempted to ask "who paints their snatch in the first place" 1284721;1443087142;mircea_popescu;well... they shave it, they butter it... might as well. 1284722;1443087159;davout;butter ? 1284723;1443087219;mircea_popescu;well yeah ? 1284724;1443087225;mircea_popescu;fanny doesn't shea butter ? 1284725;1443087291;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Prparation_du_beurre_de_Karit_-_Mali.jpeg 1284726;1443087291;assbot;501 Not Implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT08V ) 1284727;1443087326;davout;heh, i was mentally picturing this -> http://www.avosassiettes.fr/img/le_beurre_aux_cristaux_de_sel_de_guerande_paysan_breton_pack.jpg 1284728;1443087327;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT1JV ) 1284729;1443087362;mircea_popescu;anyway, buy her a chunk see what happens. stop keeping the poor girl in the basement of medieval scarcity culture!!1 1284730;1443087378;davout;sounds like a plan 1284731;1443087519;cazalla;anyone seen black mass yet? 1284732;1443087535;mircea_popescu;nope, what is it ? 1284733;1443087563;cazalla;johnny depp as whitey bulger 1284734;1443087647;cazalla;released last week, so i was tempted to actually go to the cinema, but of course.. not released in australia until next month 1284735;1443087874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27962 @ 0.00074283 = 20.771 BTC [+] 1284736;1443087913;mircea_popescu;australia is where they try out the nutty coercion schemes, not the entertainment. 1284737;1443087950;cazalla;i hear the same things from asciilifeform 1284738;1443088286;cazalla;seems to be something has changed down under over the past 25 years but i can never be sure if actually has always been this way and this 25 years bullshit is just the process of growing from a child to an adult 1284739;1443088291;mircea_popescu;i'm mostly following his theory :p 1284740;1443089581;shinohai;Holy shit punkman, nice assets to wake up to >>> 03:52 +punkman 1284741;1443089583;shinohai;http://i.imgur.com/Z7SOa1U.jpg and backside 1284742;1443089584;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRY0K ) 1284743;1443090918;shinohai;http://freakoutnation.com/2015/09/oath-keepers-member-were-sending-armed-militia-to-arrest-lawmakers-and-obama-for-treason/ 1284744;1443090920;assbot;Oath Keepers Member: We’re Sending Armed Militia To Arrest Lawmakers And Obama ‘For Treason’ | FreakOutNation ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPyXfJ ) 1284745;1443090979;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b7 1284746;1443091706;davout;nice /r/buttcoin find https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3m0y75/daily_discussion_wednesday_september_23_2015/cvbzto8 1284747;1443091709;assbot;zanetackett comments on [Daily Discussion] Wednesday, September 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Wm1k ) 1284748;1443091726;davout;bitfinex's "updated calculation is more accurate thus removing the large variance in accuracy" 1284749;1443091737;davout;one doesn't just make that up 1284750;1443091783;mircea_popescu;nb. 1284751;1443091837;mircea_popescu;lol buttfinex still pretending ? 1284752;1443092479;davout;it does have entertainment value 1284753;1443093242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262950 @ 0.00075313 = 198.0355 BTC [+] {10} 1284754;1443094247;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284191 <-- in related news "happy birthday" became officially not owned by evil. Not that any gcj user cares about that kind of "official" anyway. 1284755;1443094247;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 00:45:54; BingoBoingo: Java not only sucks, it is owned by evil 1284756;1443094725;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284308 <-- not for me either. Keep AMA and FDA "medicine" far away from me please. I'll do whatever it takes to prove I'm not eligible. 1284757;1443094725;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 01:32:26; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: medicaid is for everyone. It just isn't for you... yet 1284758;1443094823;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284333 <-- There is always an "enabler". 1284759;1443094823;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 01:41:43; mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ? 1284760;1443094988;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284439 <-- I had a dream y'all released a stack of 10 fresh coins 1284761;1443094989;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 02:09:11; mike_c: BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin 1284762;1443095011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69852 @ 0.00074266 = 51.8763 BTC [-] {3} 1284763;1443095453;mircea_popescu;what, like pigeons from the hagia sofia ? 1284764;1443095865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31403 @ 0.00073981 = 23.2323 BTC [-] 1284765;1443096231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00073981 = 52.6005 BTC [-] 1284766;1443096918;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/7jN9ige.jpg 1284767;1443096919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6cMz ) 1284768;1443097020;punkman;http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1443090849 1284769;1443097022;assbot;Junta Readies ‘Great Firewall of Thailand’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6mDJ ) 1284770;1443097154;punkman;http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/24/middleeast/stampede-hajj-pilgrimage/ 1284771;1443097154;assbot;Stampede kills hundreds at Hajj pilgrimage near Mecca - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6AKZ ) 1284772;1443097188;punkman;cranes fall, fire, now stampede. 1284773;1443097215;punkman;though the stampede is kinda traditional 1284774;1443097230;phf;locust next 1284775;1443097487;punkman;https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2430080/ieee-2014-counterfeit-integrated-circuits-a.pdf 1284776;1443097491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD79EC ) 1284777;1443097573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78950 @ 0.00073975 = 58.4033 BTC [-] {4} 1284778;1443098488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61023 @ 0.00073855 = 45.0685 BTC [-] {4} 1284779;1443098711;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg <<< hue, golden 1284780;1443098712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD9fEy ) 1284781;1443098765;shinohai;"The best thing since the moth I ate yesterday" 1284782;1443100684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00074018 = 8.4381 BTC [+] 1284783;1443102350;hdbuck;all about the title: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/21-bitcoin-computer-centralize-bitcoin/ 1284784;1443102351;assbot;Could The 21 Bitcoin Computer Centralize Bitcoin? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1je2DMv ) 1284785;1443102630;hdbuck; raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho. 1284786;1443102756;hdbuck;http://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/vaporware07.jpg 1284787;1443102757;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1je3UTT ) 1284788;1443102854;shinohai;lol 1284789;1443102880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00073622 = 58.9712 BTC [-] {4} 1284790;1443102893;hdbuck;;;later tell brg444 glad you make it here :) 1284791;1443102893;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1284792;1443103002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76050 @ 0.00074069 = 56.3295 BTC [+] {3} 1284793;1443103246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13543 @ 0.0007407 = 10.0313 BTC [+] 1284794;1443103968;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die 1284795;1443103968;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 06:24:52; mircea_popescu: the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output. 1284796;1443104019;asciilifeform;if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever 1284797;1443104066;asciilifeform;and ideally one could specify the hash in a manner similar to bitcoin's scripts, rather than a hardcoded list of algos. 1284798;1443104290;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284619 << i have yet to encounter an actual person who used this feature. 1284799;1443104290;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:18; mircea_popescu: it's up there with the fucking PICTURE. 1284800;1443104371;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284688 << nope. run the numbers. 1284801;1443104371;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 08:38:06; mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot. 1284802;1443104454;asciilifeform;(a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.) 1284803;1443104616;jurov;tesla should make much more than 200km at once on highway.. but i can imagine airconditioning on full blast is needed, too 1284804;1443104676;asciilifeform;don't forget the stereo. 1284805;1443104694;asciilifeform;(a solar panel would just suffice to run the stereo...) 1284806;1443104725;jurov;lol 200w stereo? with vacuum tubes? 1284807;1443105724;*;shinohai solves energy issues by using a steam turbine powered by tears of redditards forced to read #bitcoin-assets logs .... 1284808;1443106549;davout;shinohai: burn their hopes and dreams directly, you'll get a better yield 1284809;1443107701;jurov;or farts 1284810;1443107917;shinohai;hue 1284811;1443108077;davout;thank you jurov 1284812;1443108159;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/ <<< comments welcome 1284813;1443108160;assbot;Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh7QF ) 1284814;1443108317;shinohai;Nice davout :D 1284815;1443108358;jurov;is the RFC confidentially public? 1284816;1443108403;jurov;(see first page) 1284817;1443108406;jurov;reminded me of the MP license :D 1284818;1443108444;jurov;speaking of him, surely you have cleartext version... << davout 1284819;1443108468;davout;jurov: of the RFC? no 1284820;1443108526;davout;the idea is mainly to document stuff that's pretty obvious in order for the coinbase et al. derps to be unable to later claim invenshuns 1284821;1443108552;davout;and we had it in a drawer anyway, so might as well publish 1284822;1443108589;shinohai;I loathe coinbase so 3 cheers to davout 1284823;1443108611;jurov;so you don't actually implement it? 1284824;1443108684;davout;jurov: of course the idea is to actually implement it 1284825;1443108701;davout;but to do that you need another liquidity source on the other end of the tunnel 1284826;1443108711;jurov;well then.. why explicitly rely on HTTP(S)? 1284827;1443108734;jurov;it would work fine with gpg mpex-style 1284828;1443108748;shinohai;http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads 1284829;1443108750;assbot;Harvard employee accused of spending $80k of the university's money to buy Legos and iPads - infoBlizzard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxia2V ) 1284830;1443108750;davout;that also implements it, so publishing the RFC also communicates that serious liquidity sources are welcome to knock on our door 1284831;1443108769;davout;jurov: where does it say https? 1284832;1443108773;davout;the oauth thing? 1284833;1443108795;jurov;it says "POST method" which is HTTP-only thing 1284834;1443108843;jurov;and yes, with GPG the oauth is unnecessary 1284835;1443108849;davout;ah yeah, http APIs are assumed 1284836;1443108922;davout;you're probably right it's not really necessary 1284837;1443108982;davout;if you leave comments on the blog post i'll compile them all in the next version 1284838;1443108985;davout;jurov: ^ 1284839;1443108994;hdbuck;Oo http://taler.net/ 1284840;1443108995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxiyi8 ) 1284841;1443109344;davout;hdbuck: yeah, i saw this one on /r/buttcoin 1284842;1443109364;davout;it's not very new, and obviously completely braindamaged 1284843;1443109380;hdbuck;davout french made ;) 1284844;1443109388;davout;yep 1284845;1443109434;davout;http://grothoff.org/christian/ > niggers.txt 1284846;1443109435;assbot;Christian Grothoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxje78 ) 1284847;1443109442;davout;and that'll be it 1284848;1443109680;phf;hdbuck: there's a taler thread in the logs, with predictable conclusions 1284849;1443109814;hdbuck;phf thx, predictable conclusions indeed 1284850;1443109824;trinque;davout | punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque << http://deedbot.org/deed-375472-1.txt ? 1284851;1443109825;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxjJhk ) 1284852;1443110094;davout;trinque: don't see it in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015 1284853;1443110096;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxk6Zp ) 1284854;1443110162;davout;the deedbotting was me manually feeding it here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280994, i'm referring to blog feed not being reflected, am i missing something ? 1284855;1443110162;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 13:52:40; davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt 1284856;1443110323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0007407 = 4.0368 BTC [+] 1284857;1443110600;trinque;davout: oh gimmeh teh rss 1284858;1443110615;davout;it used to werk!1 1284859;1443110637;trinque;what a world 1284860;1443110640;*;trinque looks at log 1284861;1443110656;trinque;deedbot-: feeds 1284862;1443110656;deedbot-;Feeds: 1284863;1443110657;deedbot-;1. http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ 1284864;1443110657;deedbot-;2. http://qntra.net/feed/ 1284865;1443110658;deedbot-;3. http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss 1284866;1443110658;deedbot-;4. http://nosuchlabs.com/rss 1284867;1443110659;deedbot-;5. https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/ 1284868;1443110674;trinque;davout: you sure that wasn't scoopbot before? 1284869;1443110684;jurov;um.. looks like explo.yt fell out, too? 1284870;1443110697;jurov;dunno if it was scoopbot 1284871;1443110699;davout;trinque: no, i'm not sure, imma fish the logs to double check 1284872;1443110713;trinque;gimmeh teh rssessss! 1284873;1443110722;trinque;I didn't get the list from scoopy 1284874;1443110734;jurov;http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 1284875;1443110735;assbot;serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED ) 1284876;1443110825;trinque;deedbot-: feed add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 1284877;1443110825;assbot;serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED ) 1284878;1443110829;davout;trinque: you're right, deedbot- never had it 1284879;1443110831;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 1284880;1443110832;assbot;serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED ) 1284881;1443110832;deedbot-;http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 added. 1284882;1443110842;trinque;barf of 5 posts incoming 1284883;1443110875;davout;deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/ 1284884;1443110877;assbot;fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K ) 1284885;1443110877;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/ 1284886;1443110878;assbot;fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K ) 1284887;1443110878;deedbot-;http://fr.anco.is/feed/ added. 1284888;1443110886;davout;nice-u 1284889;1443110961;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] F.MPIF March 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement 1284890;1443110962;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] F.MPIF April 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/05/02/F.MPIF-April-2015-trading-statement 1284891;1443110962;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement 1284892;1443110963;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows 1284893;1443110963;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] F.MPIF June 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/07/01/F.MPIF-June-2015-trading-statement 1284894;1443110964;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] F.MPIF July 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/08/02/F.MPIF-July-2015-trading-statement 1284895;1443110964;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] X.EUR June 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-june-16th-statement/ 1284896;1443110965;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] X.EUR July 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/ 1284897;1443110965;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] X.EUR August 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-august-16th-statement/ 1284898;1443110966;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] X.EUR September 21st statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-september-21st-statement/ 1284899;1443110966;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] Socialisme ordinaire - http://fr.anco.is/2015/socialisme-ordinaire/ 1284900;1443110967;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC - http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/ 1284901;1443110994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10601 @ 0.00073518 = 7.7936 BTC [-] 1284902;1443110999;jurov;it should ignore old entries... 1284903;1443111025;trinque;I'm not spending the amount of time necessary farting around with an rss module 1284904;1443111034;trinque;it does that once, and now you know what it missed :p 1284905;1443111055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37999 @ 0.00073436 = 27.9049 BTC [-] {3} 1284906;1443111203;davout;jurov: tyvm for the comments 1284907;1443111828;mike_c;trinque: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ it's not dead, i swear 1284908;1443111829;assbot;Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh ) 1284909;1443111874;mike_c;deedbot-: feeds add http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ 1284910;1443111875;assbot;Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh ) 1284911;1443111900;mike_c;what, it doesn't check for l1 and allow? ;) 1284912;1443111996;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1284913;1443112030;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284828 << 'quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi' (TM) 1284914;1443112030;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:28; shinohai: http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads 1284915;1443112086;ascii_field;^ 'lego' seems like an odd choice of luxury for an embezzler. it is a children's toy. little blocks that snap together. we had'em, cloned, nameless, in the su world 1284916;1443112156;jurov;ascii_field: you have seen how much they ask for the original? 1284917;1443112170;ascii_field;not in recent years 1284918;1443112194;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ 1284919;1443112195;assbot;Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh ) 1284920;1443112195;deedbot-;http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ added. 1284921;1443112221;jurov;http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Duplo-My-First-Set/dp/B000SI9Y6A/ref=sr_1_3?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1443112199&sr=1-3&keywords=first+lego+set 1284922;1443112223;assbot;Amazon.com: LEGO Duplo My First Set (5416): Toys & Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxnIKZ ) 1284923;1443112230;deedbot-;[Btc Alpha Blog] Why is Bitcoin Crashing?! - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/why-is-bitcoin-crashing/ 1284924;1443112230;deedbot-;[Btc Alpha Blog] A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/ 1284925;1443112231;deedbot-;[Btc Alpha Blog] Hot Slanted Bets - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/hot-slanted-bets/ 1284926;1443112231;deedbot-;[Btc Alpha Blog] Get Your Bitcoin News Widget - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/ 1284927;1443112232;deedbot-;[Btc Alpha Blog] How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/ 1284928;1443112232;deedbot-;[Btc Alpha Blog] Explore the Web of Trust - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/ 1284929;1443112235;jurov;^ just a gateway drug of 33 pcs 1284930;1443112336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00073317 = 48.1326 BTC [-] {4} 1284931;1443112370;mike_c;trinque: grazie 1284932;1443112390;trinque;yw 1284933;1443112422;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.37074690 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b9 1284934;1443114959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5791 @ 0.00073829 = 4.2754 BTC [+] 1284935;1443117033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59271 @ 0.00073316 = 43.4551 BTC [-] {2} 1284936;1443117094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00073274 = 24.1284 BTC [-] {2} 1284937;1443117669;shinohai;http://dslinux.org/ 1284938;1443117670;assbot;DSLinux - Linux for the Nintendo DS ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeKnTl ) 1284939;1443117887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00073829 = 36.2131 BTC [+] 1284940;1443117960;punkman;lel https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-contributor/ 1284941;1443117962;assbot;Give Google Contributor a try ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeLiDk ) 1284942;1443118844;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1284943;1443119107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0007325 = 25.784 BTC [-] {3} 1284944;1443119119;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284937 << masochism 1284945;1443119119;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 18:01:09; shinohai: http://dslinux.org/ 1284946;1443119136;ascii_field;wtf is the point 1284947;1443119195;trinque;maybe easier to port emulators? 1284948;1443119229;ascii_field;why would you port to ~that~ 1284949;1443119249;shinohai;not sure realy, for a playthng or hobby i guess 1284950;1443119256;ascii_field;whole thing smacks of the proverbial 'netbsd on dead squirrel in shoebox' 1284951;1443119293;trinque;haha 1284952;1443119317;shinohai;Kinda like pogo 1284953;1443119344;shinohai;height 324217 1284954;1443119362;ascii_field;mno 1284955;1443119371;ascii_field;pogo is something quite like an actual computer 1284956;1443119374;ascii_field;and is cheap 1284957;1443119383;ascii_field;the nintendo is the exact opposite. 1284958;1443119387;shinohai;but i can't do anything with it much yet :/ 1284959;1443119402;shinohai;Makes a nice irc server :D 1284960;1443120571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00073227 = 71.9455 BTC [-] {3} 1284961;1443121577;shinohai;Has anyone here read this guy? http://askepticalhuman.blogspot.com/2015/09/can-robots-be-conscious-if-so-how-could.html 1284962;1443121578;assbot;A Skeptical Human: Can Robots Be Conscious? If So, How Could We Tell That They Are? ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3wYso ) 1284963;1443122810;gernika;is the foundation client known to be slower syncing than the phoundation client? 1284964;1443122854;gernika;or the opposite? 1284965;1443122862;punkman;gernika: it does throw away blocks arriving out of order 1284966;1443123042;gernika;Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. 1284967;1443123188;jurov;gernika how much ram did you have? 1284968;1443123337;BingoBoingo;gernika: The Phundnation client does something now called "headers first" which doesn't really verify much of anything 1284969;1443123391;gernika;jurov: This account is allocated 2gb - seems to be using about 1.4GB 1284970;1443123829;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-russia-mosque-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923 << whether intentional or not (where 'not' seems the most dangerous case) it seems the USA has has started a number of fires near enough Russia for them to feel the heat 1284971;1443123830;assbot;Putin opens Moscow's largest mosque, warns against extremists| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyr7uf ) 1284972;1443123845;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/24/us-mideast-crisis-russia-airstrikes-idUSKCN0RO01320150924 1284973;1443123846;assbot;Putin plans air strikes in Syria if no U.S. deal reached: Bloomberg| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyrchv ) 1284974;1443124046;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-usa-nuclear-germany-russia-idUSKCN0RN12920150923 1284975;1443124047;assbot;Russia may put missiles in Kaliningrad if U.S. upgrades nuclear arms in Germany: Interfax| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiNUKk ) 1284976;1443124061;trinque;another lovely day in US-Russian relations 1284977;1443124515;shinohai;:D 1284978;1443124692;mike_c;kakobrekla: how do you feel about adding an Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * to w.b-a.link? 1284979;1443124886;kakobrekla;why do you need that? 1284980;1443124913;mike_c;Cross origin ajax request 1284981;1443124933;mike_c;I was going to add an ajax search of the user page to the 'not found' btcalpha wot nick search page 1284982;1443124952;mike_c;would rather not do it server-side to reduce dependencies 1284983;1443125110;kakobrekla;try if works 1284984;1443125122;mike_c;it does, thanks 1284985;1443125131;kakobrekla;np 1284986;1443125540;BingoBoingo;https://isocpp.org/blog/2015/09/bjarne-stroustrup-announces-cpp-core-guidelines 1284987;1443125542;assbot;Bjarne Stroustrup announces C++ Core Guidelines : Standard C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSPuR ) 1284988;1443126198;mike_c;mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/ 1284989;1443126200;assbot;WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiU7G6 ) 1284990;1443126228;mike_c;thx to kako for rapid server change. 1284991;1443126318;kakobrekla;o good job 1284992;1443126731;jurov;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/almost-10000-syrians-have-registered-to-live-in-a-country-that-might-not-exist/ 1284993;1443126732;assbot;Almost 10,000 Syrians have registered to live in a country that might not exist - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxKnH3 ) 1284994;1443126738;jurov;liberland lives!!! 1284995;1443127038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57267 @ 0.00073902 = 42.3215 BTC [+] {3} 1284996;1443128085;deedbot-;[Qntra] India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel - http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/ 1284997;1443128563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00073679 = 35.1449 BTC [-] 1284998;1443129478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00073367 = 37.1237 BTC [-] {6} 1284999;1443129732;deedbot-;[Qntra] Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears - http://qntra.net/2015/09/eyewitness-people-walking-out-of-bitpay-office-in-tears/ 1285000;1443129954;punkman;I was hoping for a photo :( 1285001;1443130000;BingoBoingo;punkman: Some may be coming 1285002;1443130019;BingoBoingo;Wanted to commit the report to the textual record as soon as possible 1285003;1443130043;Pierre_Rochard;sad day, could’ve been a great business… 1285004;1443130050;BingoBoingo;Because like CoinDesk is going to have a friend in Atlanta walk by the BitPay offices to take in the rumoured slaughte 1285005;1443130056;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: It really is 1285006;1443130100;BingoBoingo;BitPay is/was the non-retarded retail alternative to CoinBase 1285007;1443130137;Pierre_Rochard;from the public info I read, they’ll continue with a skeleton crew, could make a turnaround if there’s a bubble soon :/ 1285008;1443130159;BingoBoingo;AH 1285009;1443130178;phf;ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. both t. and ultimate) are allowed 1285010;1443130178;phf; to misbehave, idle however long and send data as large as they want. what's not implemented: prioritizing trusted nodes over others during node selection: you might still lose connection by natural means, in which case -addnode nodes will be dropped, and a standard node selection mechanism is used. the patch so far is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/155710. i'm thinking that ultimate vs. trusted distinction might be unnecessary. i would 1285011;1443130179;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxQWcH ) 1285012;1443130179;phf; appreciate any comments on the subject. 1285013;1443130515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00074068 = 19.7762 BTC [+] {3} 1285014;1443130536;jurov;phf if you recall alf had some kind of middleman problem.. and this won't help 1285015;1443130548;BingoBoingo;!up StringMiller 1285016;1443130569;jurov;!up RH311ish 1285017;1443130640;phf;jurov: this is in reference to this conversation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256535 1285018;1443130640;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 15:45:26; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table. 1285019;1443130760;phf;one way it might help with ascii's problem specifically though is that your client will patiently wait for ascii's node, even though there might be periods of time where it would otherwise be completely unresponsive. 1285020;1443131012;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1285021;1443131037;phf;-connect based nodes in large avoid this problems because there's a mainloop that keeps adding same -connect supplied addresses over and over again, so even if elsewhere it's decided to drop the node, it'll be added and reconnected again on the next iteration. never the less a connect node can still be banned for misbehaving, which is something that his patch prevents from happening 1285022;1443131041;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << trust without public key authentication of ENTIRE transmission is a waste of time !! 1285023;1443131041;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot 1285024;1443131085;ascii_field;will say this again, 'trusting' ip p.q.r.s is IDIOCY 1285025;1443131093;ascii_field;usg can and DOES mitm transmissions. 1285026;1443131108;punkman;you could make bans on "trusted" nodes expire sooner 1285027;1443131130;ascii_field;waste of time. 1285028;1443131237;phf;punkman: that specific loop can be closed much easier by checking for -connect during misbehave report and bailing 1285029;1443131272;ascii_field;phf: all this will do is that you will waste cpu cycles on peers who are getting packetdropped by usg 1285030;1443131300;ascii_field;(all of the mitm against my nodes has taken the form of vaguely plausibly-deniable packet dropping and delay) 1285031;1443131338;ascii_field;strategic, incidentally, in that it did not trigger 'misbehave' listing on my end 1285032;1443131410;phf;misbehave is only triggered when counterparty sends malformed, but still recognisable packets, so that would be a much more noticeable attack 1285033;1443131489;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284966 << headers-only sync is not sync. the phoundation client is not a bitcoin implementation and hasn't been for ages. on the other hand, a box that takes 3 weeks to sync FROM EATBLOCK ON DISK has something seriously wrong with it. 1285034;1443131489;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 19:30:42; gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. 1285035;1443131505;ascii_field;get a real computer somewhere ? 1285036;1443131533;phf;where's packet dropping and delay results in a no-consequences disconnect, similar to that "no activity in first 60 seconds" 1285037;1443131540;ascii_field;aha 1285038;1443131550;ascii_field;and, importantly, wasted time 1285039;1443131558;ascii_field;as no useful activity can take place while this hangs 1285040;1443131570;ascii_field;because the whole thing was written by the profoundly retarded 1285041;1443131695;phf;well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe" 1285042;1443131733;ascii_field;the correct recourse is crypto. 1285043;1443131750;ascii_field;and for 'trusted' peers, in the above sense, to be ones where all comms in both directions are authenticated. 1285044;1443131756;ascii_field;as in rsa-signed. 1285045;1443131839;BingoBoingo;!uo i-dont-know2 1285046;1443131848;BingoBoingo;!up i-dont-know2 1285047;1443131857;ascii_field;mircea_popescu once alluded to a dirty ad-hoc implementation of this by chinese operators, where nodes had vpn links to one another 1285048;1443131868;gernika;ascii_field Thought it was real - 32 GB ecc ram, opteron 4226. 1285049;1443131869;ascii_field;but that is not an adult answer. 1285050;1443131881;ascii_field;gernika: and you were syncing from what? 1285051;1443131890;ascii_field;as in, where did the blocks fed to 'eatblock' come from ? 1285052;1443131966;gernika;both yours and mp's nodes. 1285053;1443131975;ascii_field;in real time ? 1285054;1443131989;ascii_field;i am asking ~specifically~ how the thing was put together 1285055;1443132006;ascii_field;the correct way to use eatblock is with dumpblock coming from an already synced LOCAL node. 1285056;1443132029;ascii_field;this does NOT take 3 weeks on my hardware. 1285057;1443132037;ascii_field;more like 3 days. 1285058;1443132173;gernika;Right. So I made it to 368xxx and got stuck on the large block syncing from one of your nodes over the network. I then (probably) had a bad shutdown and corrupted the db. I then used eatblock to sync from what I had on disk up to that point. 1285059;1443132188;ascii_field;stuck? 1285060;1443132196;ascii_field;as in, didn't have the bdb locks fix patch applied ? 1285061;1443132202;gernika;wedged - due to not having the patch yes 1285062;1443132209;ascii_field;then burn the whole thing & start over 1285063;1443132220;ascii_field;srsly 1285064;1443132248;ascii_field;let me guess, of the 3 weeks, most of the time was spent wedged ? 1285065;1443132322;gernika;The node was not on the network, it was just eating from disk. It did not appear wedged, just processing one block after another. 1285066;1443132388;ascii_field;but was the entire blockchain already present on disk to be eaten? 1285067;1443132401;ascii_field;what i am asking is, did it at any point spend time waiting for an edible block to appear on disk. 1285068;1443132593;gernika;Yes it did. I did not dump all.dat files at once. I would dump one, eat through it (in about 24 hours), then dump the next. 1285069;1443132651;ascii_field;how much time spent on the dumps ? 1285070;1443132657;ascii_field;(as distinct from the eating) 1285071;1443132667;gernika;a couple of minutes. 1285072;1443132720;ascii_field;the other important question is whether the node being synced was also accessing the net at the time 1285073;1443132733;ascii_field;(eatblock is a locking operation) 1285074;1443132894;gernika;It was started like this bitcoind -myip=x.x.x.x -caneat -datadir=/home/gernika/.bitcoin-8-14/ 1285075;1443133191;phf;gernika: you know if the addr db empty? if you did a connect with that node at any point, it'll have a populated address database and start connecting immediately on startup 1285076;1443133242;phf;i don't have intuition for complete eatblock time, but 3 weeks does sound like surprisingly long time, even with all the checks enabled 1285077;1443133392;gernika;It might not have been empty. That said, I didn't see the noise in the logs I would expect to see if it were connected to another node. 1285078;1443133401;phf;ah, word 1285079;1443133543;shinohai;phf what are u running again? 1285080;1443133595;phf;shinohai: what's the context? 1285081;1443133710;shinohai;oh, o.s. 1285082;1443133783;phf;shinohai: mac os x 1285083;1443133834;shinohai;O.o oh 1285084;1443133881;BingoBoingo;reddit is awfully butthurt https://archive.is/XU83T 1285085;1443133882;assbot;Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1gSyO2t ) 1285086;1443133895;shinohai;^___________________^ 1285087;1443134114;phf;shinohai: what prompted the question? 1285088;1443134148;shinohai;I was reading your conversation with gernika in logs, was only curious 1285089;1443134358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.0007319 = 22.9085 BTC [-] 1285090;1443134479;brg444;about bitpay, can't say they don't doesn't deserve what's happening to them :/ they're part of the reasons why we have a trove of redditard today who think everyone and their grandmother should be using BTC for retail purchases... 1285091;1443134480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00073785 = 14.9784 BTC [+] 1285092;1443135839;deedbot-;[Qntra] Editor Under Fire - http://qntra.net/2015/09/4274/ 1285093;1443140291;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/ 1285094;1443140701;BingoBoingo;Oh MPIF is in on the Trump bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b5 1285095;1443140702;assbot;BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.24 B (57%) on Yes, 7.84 B (43%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`567 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pzg83A ) 1285096;1443140712;mircea_popescu;ha. 1285097;1443140716;mircea_popescu;almost even odds by now ? 1285098;1443140767;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Looks like it is just you and the smaller MPIF share betting on trump so far with everyone else offering odds 1285099;1443140837;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284785 << pay BACK the VCs ? da fuck's wrong with you! 1285100;1443140837;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 13:50:30; hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho. 1285101;1443140854;mircea_popescu;you don't pay the credit card, you move the balance on a bigger credit card. duh. 1285102;1443140898;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1. 1285103;1443140898;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 14:13:39; asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever 1285104;1443140910;mircea_popescu;and yes it will have to be redone if nothing else then for that reason. 1285105;1443140972;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284802 << how fast do you expect to go in traffic ? 200W should be enough at the 1mph speed provided your bearings aren't made out of clay. 1285106;1443140972;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 14:20:54; asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.) 1285107;1443141117;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg << dude who stole my cat. 1285108;1443141118;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD9fEy ) 1285109;1443141231;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284827 << he has a point. the notion of putting http in there but then going "The settlement part isnt covered by the document, for the pretty simple reason that settlement is a business matter, not a technical challenge. It would also vastly complicate everything." is pretty wild. 1285110;1443141231;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:14; jurov: it would work fine with gpg mpex-style 1285111;1443141253;mircea_popescu;if you are going to put something, put pgp. not pki, and in no case http for a stateful machine. 1285112;1443141269;mircea_popescu;("https" is not a thing. it's a flavor of usg-pki. burn it.) 1285113;1443141312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9794 @ 0.0007319 = 7.1682 BTC [-] 1285114;1443141434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00073785 = 2.8776 BTC [+] 1285115;1443141434;mircea_popescu;also the correct way to handle this is through some sort of repo agreement. "A agrees to receive any sums from B throughout today, Sept 25th, and remit no later than by Sept 26th, at 8:00 gmt at address so and so a sum of btc equal to : the sum of btc received ; plus the sum of X currency received divided by Vx ; plus the sum of Y currency received divided by Vy ; plus [etc]." 1285116;1443141474;mircea_popescu;this way B can send any payments its customers want, and A will idem send whatever payments its customers want, and at the end of the day the whole balance is BTC settled at the agreed upon price and that's that. 1285117;1443141496;mircea_popescu;it can just be published as an item, you don't even need a "connection" between the two. 1285118;1443141843;mircea_popescu;in other news, the pin of the association of plastic surgeons from lima, peru depicts as a logo a stylisized cunt. 1285119;1443141922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19049 @ 0.00073421 = 13.986 BTC [-] 1285120;1443142074;BingoBoingo;Nice 1285121;1443142103;mircea_popescu;last fucking place you want the dudes to get involved, the cunt and the other set of labia. 1285122;1443142118;mircea_popescu;hands off the functional parts, yo! stick to tits and hips and whatnot 1285123;1443142259;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1285124;1443142272;BingoBoingo;It's nice that they put that warning up there 1285125;1443142300;BingoBoingo;"Don't get anesthesia in Peru, They mess with the functional parts" 1285126;1443142309;mircea_popescu;"Adopting Russian Orthodox Christian terminology for an important house of worship, the building is called the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. Its main golden dome and tall minaret reflected the style of many Orthodox churches, except for the Islamic crescents atop them." 1285127;1443142315;mircea_popescu;lol stalinism survived, huh. 1285128;1443142375;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284988 << lovely! 1285129;1443142375;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 20:23:18; mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/ 1285130;1443142410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00073761 = 14.494 BTC [+] 1285131;1443143024;BingoBoingo;lol trend http://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional/2015/09/19/reto-del-pasesito-de-coca-la-nueva-moda-entre-las-ninas-bien-mexicanas 1285132;1443143025;assbot;"Reto del pasesito" de coca: la nueva moda entre las niñas bien mexicanas ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTkH95 ) 1285133;1443143169;mircea_popescu;notrly news is it ? 1285134;1443143392;BingoBoingo;Nah, "Trend Piece" aka not news that sneaks into the news 1285135;1443143597;mircea_popescu;Stroustrup said: You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety can be validat 1285136;1443143598;mircea_popescu;ed by tools that should soon be available as open source. 1285137;1443143618;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform, "experts at Morgan Stanley" fixed the world! 1285138;1443143630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26584 @ 0.00073785 = 19.615 BTC [+] 1285139;1443143647;BingoBoingo;Seems Stroustrup really went senile 1285140;1443143721;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285003 << not run by stephen pair. 1285141;1443143721;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 21:27:23; Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business… 1285142;1443143777;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << what abgout the idea of eulora on macos!11!! 1285143;1443143777;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot 1285144;1443143821;mircea_popescu;but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time. 1285145;1443143830;mircea_popescu;you gotta meter what txn they pass you and score them. 1285146;1443143830;BingoBoingo;Further news in 'Murican manufactering http://thesouthern.com/news/local/state-and-regional/caterpillar-now-is-not-the-time-for-peoria-headquarters/article_f1e69229-7903-599d-968c-3a42fac74b96.html 1285147;1443143869;phf;mircea_popescu: it's already done! afaik ben_vulpes and gernika both have a mac built using my approach 1285148;1443143880;mircea_popescu;didja publish it ? 1285149;1443143992;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285041 << we can already do this using iptables like god intended. it didn't practically help in the field if you recall. 1285150;1443143992;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 21:54:55; phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe" 1285151;1443144049;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285049 << that's ok, china is not an adult place. 1285152;1443144049;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 21:57:49; ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer. 1285153;1443144091;mod6;oh speaking of eulora, is the new version out? 1285154;1443144095;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1285155;1443144099;mod6;nice :] 1285156;1443144142;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285073 << this is a point that perhaps may pass unnoticed and trip people i think. 1285157;1443144142;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 22:12:13; ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation) 1285158;1443144171;mircea_popescu;machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry. 1285159;1443144229;mod6;ahyeah http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ << found it. 1285160;1443144230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEKczm ) 1285161;1443144301;mod6;so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything. 1285162;1443144310;mircea_popescu;do tell ? 1285163;1443144347;mod6;so, to start, I dropped the vpatches, wot pub keys, and seals (sigs of vpatches) into a webirectory here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ 1285164;1443144348;assbot;Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl ) 1285165;1443144395;mod6;this way when one clicks on a node in the directed grap (from before), it takes you to the actual vpatch. anyway... 1285166;1443144408;mircea_popescu;aha 1285167;1443144426;BingoBoingo;http://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/carbondale/grubbs-to-get-pay-raise-stipend-to-move-into-carbondale/article_a8840cd8-a507-5499-9a22-183c688d010c.html << $15,000 rent stipend. When I was there rented for $3,600/year fucking inflation 1285168;1443144428;assbot;Grubbs to get pay raise, stipend to move into Carbondale city limits : Carbondale ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm0F4 ) 1285169;1443144432;mod6;one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches. 1285170;1443144464;mod6;so for instance, I've made http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/TEST2.manifest, so far unsigned as its just for testing my code for a minute here.. 1285171;1443144465;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm6wk ) 1285172;1443144476;mod6;not found? wth 1285173;1443144563;mircea_popescu;i think this is the correct approach. also i like it. 1285174;1443144574;phf;mircea_popescu: i did not publish the instructions, i will update http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X 1285175;1443144576;assbot;OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo ) 1285176;1443144586;mod6;So I added subroutines to pull all patches, wots and seals from the foundation site, and/or audit what's already local by checking the local vpatch hashes against the manifest. 1285177;1443144598;mod6;or you can pull individual patches if one likes. 1285178;1443144608;mircea_popescu;phf you gonna get in game to get your pile of woooly shrooms ? 1285179;1443144622;mircea_popescu;spiffy mod6 1285180;1443144624;mod6;(incase there are patches added to the site webdirectory that are not included in the release manifest) 1285181;1443144629;mod6;thanks :] 1285182;1443144640;mod6;also, i'm leaving some room here for mirrors. 1285183;1443144644;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/#comment-60869 1285184;1443144645;assbot;India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmgDW ) 1285185;1443144659;phf;mircea_popescu: yes, once i do the publishing 1285186;1443144660;mod6;we could have a signed list of mirrors in the same location as the manifest so that there is some redundancy 1285187;1443144712;mod6;anyway sorry for the verbosity, thanks for listening. just wanted to see if I was on the right track before I get too far along. 1285188;1443144801;mircea_popescu;seems lovely mod6 1285189;1443144837;mod6;ty, having fun building it. :] 1285190;1443145227;mircea_popescu;:) 1285191;1443145281;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/cvd8pt5 1285192;1443145283;assbot;sciencehatesyou comments on Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5SwhF ) 1285193;1443145326;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285158 << this picture is not correct. 'locking' here refers to literal lock, the global big fat lock in bitcoind, the one that makes it only pseudo-multithreaded on account of just about every major routine hogging it 1285194;1443145326;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 01:22:51; mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry. 1285195;1443145354;mircea_popescu;it does fucking lock the io somehow. 1285196;1443145364;asciilifeform;(for n00bz - consider a lock as analogous to an airplane toilet door) 1285197;1443145399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the blockchain is tough on the disk i/o, yes. as illustrated by the abysmal failure of pogo-with-mechanical-hdd 1285198;1443145407;asciilifeform;but this is a separate thing. 1285199;1443145419;mircea_popescu;aite 1285200;1443145537;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285102 << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 ! 1285201;1443145537;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1. 1285202;1443145587;mircea_popescu;yeah but they were "oh, you know what, sigs for THIS really need to be dependably known" 1285203;1443145594;mircea_popescu;sort of design-by-accident approach 1285204;1443145598;asciilifeform;perhaps. 1285205;1443145605;asciilifeform;but it is gnarly and broken. 1285206;1443145613;asciilifeform;and no less so than if it had been designed to be. 1285207;1443145620;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1285208;1443145631;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285135 << it is also, to borrow a naggumism, theoretically ~possible~ for a mountain of garbage to lack a single fly. 1285209;1443145631;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 01:13:17; mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety 1285210;1443145639;mircea_popescu;in any case : one of the things i'd like to see is non-familiar stuff. 1285211;1443145643;mircea_popescu;!s cramer-shoup 1285212;1443145644;assbot;9 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup 1285213;1443145670;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2013#333713 << first mentioned here almost two years ago to the day 1285214;1443145670;assbot;Logged on 28-09-2013 09:10:42; mircea_popescu: my current curiosity in the field is why isn't cramershoup more widely usedf. 1285215;1443145680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am very much leaning towards scriptable crypto. 1285216;1443145684;asciilifeform;as in bitcoin's script. 1285217;1443145705;mircea_popescu;i saw it in the logs. i dun know what to say of this as of yet. 1285218;1443145709;asciilifeform;it CAN be implemented correctly. 1285219;1443145711;BingoBoingo;Too far gone for makeup https://i.imgur.com/IuPprVq.jpg 1285220;1443145712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5T8Ux ) 1285221;1443145725;asciilifeform;this means, almost inescapably - ada. with proofs. 1285222;1443145745;asciilifeform;probably i am doomed to do this. 1285223;1443145809;asciilifeform;(the set of mathematical operations used in crypto is quite limited, well-defined, and does not require a turing-complete interpreter to fully encompass.) 1285224;1443145841;asciilifeform;the specificity-of-diddle 'theorem' more or less demands this approach. 1285225;1443145861;asciilifeform;see also 1285226;1443145865;asciilifeform;!s no formats no format wars 1285227;1443145865;assbot;9 results for 'no formats no format wars' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+formats+no+format+wars 1285228;1443145924;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/ <<< ahjahaha check it out, buttcoin crew is confronted with a dilemma between their own stated goals and their own mental capacities. 1285229;1443145925;assbot;Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTnNtX ) 1285230;1443145926;mircea_popescu;o noes, you lose. 1285231;1443145928;mircea_popescu;derps. 1285232;1443145941;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285144 << the thing spoken of, i think, was the annoying tendency of every isp we sit down on to molest the packetz 1285233;1443145941;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 01:17:01; mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time. 1285234;1443145966;asciilifeform;(or the backbone, if you like, molests. i don't care who. there is exactly one pill against this.) 1285235;1443145974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i get it, you want encrypted channel for bitcoind 1285236;1443145996;asciilifeform;more importantly, authenticated. 1285237;1443145998;asciilifeform;bitwise. 1285238;1443146015;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1285239;1443146019;mircea_popescu;it adds overhead. 1285240;1443146028;asciilifeform;'thou shalt not add, neither shall thou take away' - that kind of thing. 1285241;1443146063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we spend so much time waiting on i/o that cpu is largely idle. 1285242;1443146065;asciilifeform;measure it. 1285243;1443146083;mircea_popescu;well the chinese surely do. 1285244;1443146095;asciilifeform;the illusion of cpu-boundedness really comes from the idiot serial-verify of block tx-en 1285245;1443146116;asciilifeform;there is absolutely no reason for it save the fact that i have not had personally the time to shoot it in the head 1285246;1443146137;asciilifeform;(the pill is to spawn p+1 threads, where p is cpu count, and parcel out verification jobs to the workers) 1285247;1443146154;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#973977 << check it out, we can truly be a cult now. 1285248;1443146154;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 03:09:44; mircea_popescu: BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K. 1285249;1443146158;mircea_popescu;we even have a prophet. 1285250;1443146174;asciilifeform;i still don't grasp ~what~ they spent it on 1285251;1443146184;asciilifeform;why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ? 1285252;1443146187;mircea_popescu;you're not a businessman, so how would you. 1285253;1443146205;asciilifeform;i'm not a violinist either. but i understand how strings make sound... 1285254;1443146207;mircea_popescu;(hint : they spent it ALL on trying to give people just like you the illusion that mansions, and lizard hitler. 1285255;1443146232;mircea_popescu;just like the spam "mmwys" kids spend it all on trying to give other jerky teenagers the illusion that "mmwys".) 1285256;1443146244;asciilifeform;!s mmwys 1285257;1443146245;assbot;0 results for 'mmwys' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mmwys 1285258;1443146247;asciilifeform;hm 1285259;1443146254;mircea_popescu;make money while i fuck your sister. 1285260;1443146258;asciilifeform;ah 1285261;1443146260;asciilifeform;l0l 1285262;1443146261;mircea_popescu;or thereabouts. 1285263;1443146285;BingoBoingo;http://imageham.com/images/2015/09/24/image6e6ff.jpg << BitPay spending 1285264;1443146288;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KToi7a ) 1285265;1443146323;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285161 << i once suggested, iirc, 'rsync'. the beauty of 'v' is that it does not really matter ~how~ you marshall the bits around, given that every operation verifies every single bit of your tree. 1285266;1443146323;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 01:25:01; mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything. 1285267;1443146329;BingoBoingo; why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ? << Their office is literally around the block from a hooters knockoff that does pizza instead of wings. They spent on location 1285268;1443146352;asciilifeform;rsync would need a pre-write hook so that it only accepts 'push' attempts that end up sig-verifying 1285269;1443146358;asciilifeform;but other than this, unmodified 1285270;1443146391;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but why did it even need a physical office ?! the only possible explanation is mircea_popescu's... 1285271;1443146407;asciilifeform;(chumpatronic engineering) 1285272;1443146417;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Needed physical office for stotting 1285273;1443146431;BingoBoingo;Have dollars will rent 1285274;1443146442;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i sign on gavin's dumbass "proposal", it's directly obvious to anyone what happened. 1285275;1443146451;mircea_popescu;if gallippi wants to play the adult and "sign declarations", what's that mean ? 1285276;1443146455;mircea_popescu;gotta have something. what he got ? 1285277;1443146486;mircea_popescu;"some bum said some things nobody card about" ? he doesn't want it to be like that. 1285278;1443146514;mircea_popescu;he wants to pretend he's sorta kinda like me, were i to exist (which i don't, OOOOBVIOUSLY). so... 1285279;1443146535;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285169 << the way i suggested doing it is to avoid having multiple classes of signed objects. manifest for a release would be merely another kind of patch - one that simply takes every leaf that is to form part of the release head, and add a comment to the top of the file, 'REL-xxx.' this auto-gloms the leaves into a single patch 'handle', think about it. 1285280;1443146535;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 01:27:12; mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches. 1285281;1443146535;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1285282;1443146579;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 after this, anyone who wants to build THAT release merely needs to 'grab' ~that~ patch and 'v' does the rest. 1285283;1443146579;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1285284;1443146596;asciilifeform;this property of a system is called 'orthogonality' 1285285;1443146602;asciilifeform;it is the thing children like about 'lego' 1285286;1443146606;Pierre_Rochard;BingoBoingo: rent wasn’t actually that much, ~3 people’s salaries. Employed ~70 people 1285287;1443146607;asciilifeform;there is precisely 1 kind of thing. 1285288;1443146626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought he just meant signing patches. 1285289;1443146636;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: Interesting. I would have thought nice place downtown in the cool area would have cost more. 1285290;1443146638;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, thanks for your input/thoughts there. 1285291;1443146643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understood it, he was speaking of signing manifests 1285292;1443146671;asciilifeform;but this way, a release is simply a vpatch that adds a 'this is part of such-and-such release' comment to a set of files in such a way that the desired leaves are brought into the release. 1285293;1443146675;mircea_popescu;no, just make a special patch (for historical reasons called a manifest) that does exactly what you describe 1285294;1443146684;asciilifeform;then yes. 1285295;1443146691;mircea_popescu;well it's what i read anyway. 1285296;1443146712;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you don't understand. it's not the place that's cheap 1285297;1443146718;asciilifeform;this way, no one who wants to get a release ever needs to do anything but ordinary operation of 'v'. 1285298;1443146720;mircea_popescu;it's dumbass "employees" doing nothing that are EXPENSIVE 1285299;1443146728;Pierre_Rochard;^^^ that 1285300;1443146731;asciilifeform;no screwing with pgp separately, no untarring, etc. 1285301;1443146749;mircea_popescu;could have had a stable of indians doing the same job for 1.5% of the cost and 0.0x% of the liabilities. 1285302;1443146765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps they had a stable of indians also 1285303;1443146766;mod6;right, i want the sync mech to work inside of the bounds of V. 1285304;1443146778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps they fucked madonna as well. 1285305;1443146780;mircea_popescu;what's it do for them ? 1285306;1443146808;Pierre_Rochard;asciilifeform: no indians, a few argentinians (great devs fwiw) 1285307;1443146811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is actually very common in usa software shops. indians produce mountain of horror, and then a handful of other people - clean it 1285308;1443146816;mircea_popescu;yeah, great devs. 1285309;1443146823;mircea_popescu;they sit around and talk a splendid talk. 1285310;1443146911;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these were fucking http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280920 1285311;1443146911;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 11:28:01; mircea_popescu: which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz. 1285312;1443146926;mircea_popescu;except no big tits, no nude at home, and no eating dogfood. just, derpage and pretense. 1285313;1443146937;asciilifeform;i confess to having wondered if anyone in .ar writes software 1285314;1443146946;mod6;ok so. release vpatch would be creating a new vertex that has edges coming from the current leafs. 1285315;1443146952;mircea_popescu;they mostly like to write ~about~ things. 1285316;1443146954;mod6;am I understanding that correctly? 1285317;1443146962;asciilifeform;mod6: correct 1285318;1443146962;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: I know JS & a mobile wallet are anathema here, but they shipped Copay: https://github.com/bitpay/copay/graphs/contributors 1285319;1443146963;assbot;Contributors to bitpay/copay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5ViUl ) 1285320;1443146971;mod6;ok neat-o 1285321;1443146976;mod6;i like it. 1285322;1443146980;asciilifeform;mod6: same topology as the hook of a mesh bag 1285323;1443146990;asciilifeform;one point by which you 'lift' the whole mess. 1285324;1443147002;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard yes, there are some passible webdevs in argentina. 1285325;1443147012;mod6;sure, makes sense 1285326;1443147052;mod6;appreciate the input here, im gonna ponder this for a bit. 1285327;1443147056;mircea_popescu;sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss 2 points 58 minutes ago This is sad, and it's just a shitpost from Mircea the Rapist's QNTRA << check it out, sciencehatesme. 1285328;1443147062;mircea_popescu;are you fat, yo ? 1285329;1443147138;mircea_popescu;"Moving along, this document is document ." 1285330;1443147147;mircea_popescu;ahaha cazalla that qntra ascii thing is the lulz. 1285331;1443147245;Pierre_Rochard;my ‘favorite’ bitpay boondoggles: https://bitpay.com/chaindb.pdf https://github.com/bitpay/foxtrot https://bitpay.com/getbits 1285332;1443147245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpFCR ) 1285333;1443147247;assbot;bitpay/foxtrot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpFCV ) 1285334;1443147248;assbot;Get Bits: Get bitcoin from your friends. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpEyE ) 1285335;1443147329;mircea_popescu;anyway. all the derps that wanna say things about how a non-bitcoin company's management reflects poorly on anything but the well known, amply documented and oft discussed ineptitude of the VC circus : feel free to suck a cock. 1285336;1443147351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00073439 = 30.1834 BTC [-] {4} 1285337;1443147396;Pierre_Rochard;for the record: http://indexventures.com/news-room/news/bitcoin-payments-pioneer-bitpay-raises-record-30m-in-series-a-led-by-index-ventures 1285338;1443147397;assbot;Bitcoin payments pioneer BitPay raises record $30M in Series A led by Index Ventures | Index Ventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpPdl ) 1285339;1443147432;mircea_popescu;im kinda sad nobody bought their shares, but anyway. 1285340;1443147456;mircea_popescu;With total accumulated investment reaching $32.7M, BitPay has now raised more venture funding than any other bitcoin startup. << this is drastically false. 1285341;1443147534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49058 @ 0.00073174 = 35.8977 BTC [-] {3} 1285342;1443147594;Pierre_Rochard;In any case, a textbook illustration of http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ 1285343;1443147595;assbot;The problem of too much money on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5WmaJ ) 1285344;1443147633;mircea_popescu;you can't have a venture without a ceo. 1285345;1443147645;mircea_popescu;and this doesn't mean, pick up your hair artist best friend and promote him. 1285346;1443147799;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/0vPiN2N.png 1285347;1443147800;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTqmMm ) 1285348;1443148056;mircea_popescu;!rated crescendo 1285349;1443148056;assbot;You have not rated crescendo. 1285350;1443148083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26361 @ 0.00073842 = 19.4655 BTC [+] {3} 1285351;1443148147;mircea_popescu;!rate crescendo -1 Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me. 1285352;1443148147;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/185914ec8e8cbb9d 1285353;1443148174;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.crescendo.-1:2aea276f4b159d2520ba164116a6cbd83cc0b987fb7d716a7c0578da4f9d1feb 1285354;1443148176;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for crescendo with note: Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me. 1285355;1443148200;BingoBoingo;O.o 1285356;1443148256;mircea_popescu;kids. because http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ 1285357;1443148257;assbot;Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzS1qA ) 1285358;1443148266;cazalla;mircea_popescu, pdf reads better as it is clear where the blackouts are (everywhere), perhaps i should've taken screencaps instead 1285359;1443148274;mircea_popescu;cazalla nah it's good as is. 1285360;1443148283;mircea_popescu;let them fucking explain where the words went, what do you care. 1285361;1443148338;cazalla;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-processor-bitpay-reduces-staff-in-cost-cutting-effort/2nd paragraph lol 1285362;1443148339;assbot;CoinDesk - Page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTqX0O ) 1285363;1443148348;cazalla;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-processor-bitpay-reduces-staff-in-cost-cutting-effort/ even 1285364;1443148348;assbot;Bitcoin Processor BitPay Reduces Staff in Cost-Cutting Effort ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTr0tl ) 1285365;1443148393;mircea_popescu;check it out, they learned how to link ! 1285366;1443148428;mircea_popescu;in other news, the "strategic superiority rehash" thing is like the most read trilema article. i don't think this ever happened before for a day old item. 1285367;1443148658;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285365 << !! where do i pick up my airworthy pig !? 1285368;1443148658;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 02:33:13; mircea_popescu: check it out, they learned how to link ! 1285369;1443148674;*;asciilifeform did not expect to live to see this 1285370;1443148766;asciilifeform;also there is not yet the obligatory 'bitcoin died!!!111' nyooz piece! what witchcraft is this. 1285371;1443148790;asciilifeform;in other nyooz from same fishwrap, 1285372;1443148792;asciilifeform;'To set up the KeepKey wallet, users need to install a Google Chrome extension on their browser.' 1285373;1443148816;asciilifeform;for the love of god, montrezor!!!11 1285374;1443148864;cazalla;asciilifeform, i'd say someone slipped it past the editor and it will later be removed 1285375;1443148920;mircea_popescu;should be funny then, because https://archive.is/Xhemn 1285376;1443148937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074057 = 12.3305 BTC [+] {3} 1285377;1443148975;mircea_popescu;for the lulz : http://dpaste.com/3VDEQ9W << this is how a pageload looks on that site. three fucking pages worth of crap. 1285378;1443148977;assbot;dpaste: 3VDEQ9W ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5YGP2 ) 1285379;1443148986;asciilifeform;'KeepKey is actually a fork of the Trezor project. We have maintained compatibility through development, and are compatible with Trezor v1.3.3.' << l0l 1285380;1443149004;asciilifeform;have a glass of amontillado ! 1285381;1443149173;mircea_popescu;a.disquscdn.com ; api.coindesk.com ; api.tumra.com ; as.ebz.io ; asset.pagefair.com ; b.scorecardresearch.com ; cas.criteo.com ; cdn.taboola.com ; d3ewslr5655zon.cloudfront.net ; hello.myfonts.net ; i.skimresources.com ; loadus.exelator.com ; partner.googleadservices.com ; pixel.quantserve.com ; tpc.googlesyndication.com ; www.google-analytics.com ; www.reddit.com 1285382;1443149195;mircea_popescu;it's like... at some point it's gonna be easier to specify which you're not pulling in. 1285383;1443149303;mircea_popescu;in other news, from the ever-lower camp, https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/3m77sh/is_stephans_warning_prophetic/ 1285384;1443149304;assbot;Is Stephan's warning prophetic? : ethtrader ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTrVdn ) 1285385;1443149313;mircea_popescu;"the lower price actually helps to more evenly distribute ETH." 1285386;1443149332;mircea_popescu;it only shed 10% in a day, WHATCOULDPOSSIBLYGOWRONG 1285387;1443149510;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: Do you mind me asking how long ago he tried to sell those? 1285388;1443149697;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285107 << mircea_popescu has a cat ?! 1285389;1443149698;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 00:31:57; mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg << dude who stole my cat. 1285390;1443149704;asciilifeform;like, a four-legged beast ? 1285391;1443149726;asciilifeform;the kind that eats mice ? 1285392;1443149929;mircea_popescu;16th 1285393;1443149946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, just a funny comment. 1285394;1443149952;asciilifeform;ah l0l 1285395;1443149960;asciilifeform;i had this notion that mircea_popescu actually had one 1285396;1443149968;asciilifeform;possibly it was from an ancient article 1285397;1443149969;mircea_popescu;at some point, but notrly. 1285398;1443150030;*;asciilifeform for some reason can only picture mircea_popescu with four-legged creatures of man-eating size - leopards, jaguars, etc 1285399;1443150044;mircea_popescu;had a friend who kept a whole fucking zoo 1285400;1443150054;mircea_popescu;seems a little weird to me, really. 1285401;1443150071;asciilifeform;had tiger ? 1285402;1443150278;mircea_popescu;had lions 1285403;1443150279;mircea_popescu;plural. 1285404;1443150318;asciilifeform;spiffy! 1285405;1443150321;*;asciilifeform envious 1285406;1443150324;mircea_popescu;bears, whatnot. 1285407;1443150336;mircea_popescu;gypsy guy, they have a thing for these. 1285408;1443150874;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3mae94/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/ 1285409;1443150875;assbot;Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears (Confirmed by BitPay Investor Khan's rag) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTtN5Q ) 1285410;1443151032;mircea_popescu;http://www.technologyreview.com/news/541686/banks-embrace-bitcoins-heart-but-not-its-soul/ << ahahaha 1285411;1443151033;assbot;Bitcoin Is Left a Wallflower as Banks Borrow Some of Its Features to Boost Efficiency | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTtOXk ) 1285412;1443151035;mircea_popescu;o god the butthurt. 1285413;1443151045;mircea_popescu;hey mit... it's not my fault you were left a wallflower. 1285414;1443151064;mircea_popescu;a) shouldn't have got fat ; b) when the other sluts went to the twerking class, you should have been there already. 1285415;1443151332;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --marker all 1285416;1443151332;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 1285417;1443151340;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1285418;1443151347;BingoBoingo;;;more 1285419;1443151347;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.33, vol: 19601.02958393 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.899, vol: 6645.20581 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.53, vol: 15361.62812544 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 0.487 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.512416, vol: 20525.26750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 234.0, vol: 112.30187716 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 236.80397766, vol: 81.62296501 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1285420;1443151348;gribble;234.387199685 1285421;1443151376;BingoBoingo;Looks like Fall drama season is in full swing everywhere but exchange reported prices 1285422;1443151472;asciilifeform;https://www.predict.org << lulzy 1285423;1443151480;assbot;PREDICT - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQYl4z ) 1285424;1443151539;hanbot;up 10% no? 1285425;1443151621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00073735 = 23.2265 BTC [-] 1285426;1443151680;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Looks kinda flat, but I guess one could say up 10% from some chosen marker 1285427;1443151930;BingoBoingo;Just seems to be stuck in this range of prices 1285428;1443152136;BingoBoingo;!t m d.bpay 1285429;1443152136;assbot;Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life. 1285430;1443152150;hanbot;amen. 1285431;1443152151;BingoBoingo;!t m D.BPAY 1285432;1443152151;assbot;I thought I told you not to touch me. 1285433;1443152158;BingoBoingo;ow, shucks 1285434;1443152841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00073821 = 25.6159 BTC [+] {3} 1285435;1443152965;mircea_popescu;it doesn't show up if it doesn't trade within the mointh. 1285436;1443153545;BingoBoingo;Ah, just the orderbook looks like it moved 1285437;1443154488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14476 @ 0.00073602 = 10.6546 BTC [-] 1285438;1443154588;BingoBoingo;!up brg444 You need the key to up yourself 1285439;1443154619;BingoBoingo;Perhaps if away and with urgent business use a nick like brg444_AtBar ? 1285440;1443154664;brg444;noted. thanks 1285441;1443154710;brg444;anybody here care for this dude Trace Mayer? never really bothered with him but thought he had couple of good insights in this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXfEJD6DUk 1285442;1443154711;assbot;Trace Mayer: "We need to remove the smell from bitcoin" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBcoQ8 ) 1285443;1443154772;brg444;says there is supposedly a BTC exchange in Switzerland moving more BTC than all exchanges combined but staying on the low because of FATCA 1285444;1443154795;cazalla;ooh that smell 1285445;1443154796;brg444;(obviously that would likely not include MPEX) 1285446;1443154815;cazalla;brg444, obviously it's only smellz 1285447;1443155021;brg444;judging by the way he was going in on the lad likely the smell he refers to is Gavin :D 1285448;1443155213;brg444;about that, of course "there is nothing new in this world" but I thought this part was particularly lulzy : dude was having lunch with the power rangers (adam back, gmaxwell & gavin) and asked "why do we hire Bitcoin" to which Back & Maxwell replied "monetary sovereignty" and Gavin "because I feel warm and fuzzy when I make a payment".. smh 1285449;1443155279;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Malaysian Ringgit to continue collapse - http://bitbet.us/bet/1207/malaysian-ringgit-to-continue-collapse/#b3 1285450;1443155403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.0007407 = 29.9613 BTC [+] 1285451;1443155546;cazalla;brg444, i listened to this podcast a little but it seemed to be not much more than an avenue to market whatever junk he has invested ein 1285452;1443155651;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, done this now. created 'test-release.vpatch' which has incoming edges from all current leaves; this was a decent test for my code too. 1285453;1443155654;mod6;worked good! 1285454;1443155769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00073287 = 31.147 BTC [-] {3} 1285455;1443155790;brg444;cazalla, well he's wrong on a couple of things but I think it is a valuable service to remind everyone of why Bitcoin is there and how much money was wasted targeting broken business plans 1285456;1443155814;brg444;(although it does look funny in the light now considering he's an investor in Bitpay) 1285457;1443155930;brg444;I don't recall him pushing any service or company... 1285458;1443156068;brg444;anyways, thought there was some interesting nuggets in there (switzerland exchange and the little bit about how Venezuelans using BTC to escape capital control) 1285459;1443156745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22493 @ 0.00074003 = 16.6455 BTC [+] 1285460;1443157111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29985 @ 0.00073109 = 21.9217 BTC [-] {3} 1285461;1443158880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5475 @ 0.00073025 = 3.9981 BTC [-] 1285462;1443159063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51950 @ 0.00073593 = 38.2316 BTC [+] 1285463;1443160222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52026 @ 0.00072939 = 37.9472 BTC [-] {3} 1285464;1443160347;cazalla;;;later tell brg444 when i said this podcast, i meant his podcast, not that specific one you linked to on jewtube 1285465;1443160349;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1285466;1443160466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00073593 = 8.316 BTC [+] 1285467;1443161198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00072919 = 30.5895 BTC [-] {2} 1285468;1443161564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00072911 = 34.1953 BTC [-] {3} 1285469;1443161686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47196 @ 0.00072908 = 34.4097 BTC [-] {2} 1285470;1443161780;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b31 1285471;1443163821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00072908 = 14.2171 BTC [-] 1285472;1443164565;punkman;2005: look at this, I can get my toaster to run Linux! / 2015: bleh, my toaster runs Linux / 2025: I wish I could get a toaster without Linux 1285473;1443164771;fluffypony;punkman: the "retro" crap has already started, have you seen that Casio calculator that was released? 1285474;1443164801;punkman;fluffypony: does it run android? 1285475;1443164829;fluffypony;http://www.extravaganzi.com/would-you-pay-225-for-casios-calculator/ 1285476;1443164831;assbot;Would You Pay $225 For Casio's Calculator? - eXtravaganzi ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFVfAk ) 1285477;1443164849;fluffypony;http://inventorspot.com/articles/casio-s100-flagship-pocket-calculator-celebrates-50-years-calcul 1285478;1443164850;assbot;Casio S100 Flagship Pocket Calculator Celebrates 50 Years Of Calculated Progress ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFVj3g ) 1285479;1443164860;fluffypony;it's "retro" because it's just a calculator 1285480;1443164874;punkman;nothing wrong with that 1285481;1443164959;fluffypony;no I know, I'm just saying that the "I wish I could get a toaster without Linux" movement has already started :-P 1285482;1443165124;punkman;you got a point there, but perhaps the movement always exists, a counterweight to "progress" 1285483;1443165257;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285351 << https://www.linkedin.com/in/martindale 1285484;1443165257;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 02:29:07; mircea_popescu: !rate crescendo -1 Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me. 1285485;1443165258;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFVVWw ) 1285486;1443165375;punkman;https://twitter.com/iworkforvice 1285487;1443165377;assbot;i work for vice (@iworkforvice) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFW9gf ) 1285488;1443165853;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vuJZDwo-rk 1285489;1443165854;assbot;Cat finds out his place is bugged. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWU2dk ) 1285490;1443165895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00072955 = 14.1168 BTC [+] 1285491;1443165916;cazalla;that is the second time today i've seen manuls 1285492;1443165938;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsB7EeUEAQWVyt.jpg:large 1285493;1443165939;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWU9pl ) 1285494;1443165946;punkman;!up evilthomas 1285495;1443166319;punkman;"People finding xss in sites and contacting them to see if they have bounties are the equiv of homeless people washing your dirty windshield" 1285496;1443166485;punkman;hah "Heard often on fed P25 radio in Philly today: "Turn your encryption off. I can't hear you"" 1285497;1443166871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49582 @ 0.00073022 = 36.2058 BTC [+] {3} 1285498;1443166949;punkman;http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2015/post-6465-0-09151400-1443109950.gif 1285499;1443166950;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWVRXK ) 1285500;1443167454;cazalla;been that way for a while punkman, half the reason i never made money while i slept! 1285501;1443167481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00073149 = 3.2485 BTC [+] 1285502;1443167542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33883 @ 0.00073623 = 24.9457 BTC [+] {2} 1285503;1443167702;shinohai;http://newscrusher.com/video/girl-speaks-fluent-american/ <<< surprisingly apt representation of youth in america. 1285504;1443167703;assbot;Girl “Speaks Fluent American”, Doesn’t Really Have A Clue About Anything | NewsCrusher ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWX15A ) 1285505;1443167760;punkman;http://anasaremeyawanas.org/letters-of-commendation/ 1285506;1443167762;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWX8hx ) 1285507;1443167790;punkman;"Anas Aremeyaw Anas is known for, as he calls it, the “naming, shaming and jailing” of criminals all over Ghana – yet few people would be able to pick him out of a crowd." 1285508;1443167873;cazalla;shinohai, she gives the subtle troll away at 1:01 1285509;1443168209;shinohai;'tis hilarious though, a righteous lampoon. 1285510;1443168579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20034 @ 0.00073562 = 14.7374 BTC [-] {2} 1285511;1443169189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23318 @ 0.00073216 = 17.0725 BTC [-] {3} 1285512;1443169541;hdbuck;http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34292809 1285513;1443169542;assbot;Neo-Nazi, radical feminist and violent jihadist - all at once - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX0iSd ) 1285514;1443169741;hdbuck;qntra hit coindesk nao?! http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-processor-bitpay-reduces-staff-in-cost-cutting-effort/ 1285515;1443169742;assbot;Bitcoin Processor BitPay Reduces Staff in Cost-Cutting Effort ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTr0tl ) 1285516;1443170352;shinohai;BitPay has reduced the size of its staff in an effort to recoup losses due to inept management that lead to hax. 1285517;1443170836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00073644 = 19.8471 BTC [+] {3} 1285518;1443170958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10829 @ 0.00072908 = 7.8952 BTC [-] 1285519;1443171690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00072908 = 13.6338 BTC [-] 1285520;1443172300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00073916 = 22.3226 BTC [+] 1285521;1443173154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.000729 = 14.58 BTC [-] {3} 1285522;1443173337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00073301 = 14.8801 BTC [+] 1285523;1443174069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00072895 = 17.4584 BTC [-] 1285524;1443174679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54093 @ 0.00072845 = 39.404 BTC [-] {3} 1285525;1443176143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47224 @ 0.00072881 = 34.4173 BTC [+] {3} 1285526;1443176570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31592 @ 0.00072596 = 22.9345 BTC [-] {3} 1285527;1443176790;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285441 << dudes that go "we" on youtube ARE the smell. 1285528;1443176790;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 04:18:30; brg444: anybody here care for this dude Trace Mayer? never really bothered with him but thought he had couple of good insights in this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXfEJD6DUk 1285529;1443176863;mircea_popescu;dude the notion that someone has a currency named "ringgit"... give 'em a carrot already an' pat their ears back, too fucking cute. 1285530;1443176883;shinohai;rimmit 1285531;1443176937;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285455 you mean like, http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/#selection-107.0-107.500 ? 1285532;1443176937;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 04:36:30; brg444: cazalla, well he's wrong on a couple of things but I think it is a valuable service to remind everyone of why Bitcoin is there and how much money was wasted targeting broken business plans 1285533;1443176938;assbot;The future of Bitcoin regulation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyS2ol ) 1285534;1443176987;mircea_popescu;to get to the point : it is not a valuable service to try and interpose oneself in front of actual power and pretend relationship. nor could it ever be. nor is it a sane or useful "strategy", nor does it ever work worth a shit. 1285535;1443177033;mircea_popescu;"we" don't need random derp on youtubue to rehash what mp says a year-two later forgetting to mention the source. not because mp gives a shit, but because the sort of "we" that actually end up thinking their plastics are "made in the usa" generally get raped and can't figure out why. 1285536;1443177089;mircea_popescu;if there weren't a pile of these "we"s running around, people^H^H^H^H reddit wouldn't be puzzling in the land of the lost "omaigawd bitcoinxt" etc. 1285537;1443177133;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285472 << heh. progress. 1285538;1443177133;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 07:02:45; punkman: 2005: look at this, I can get my toaster to run Linux! / 2015: bleh, my toaster runs Linux / 2025: I wish I could get a toaster without Linux 1285539;1443177164;mircea_popescu;"1965 hey look at this, they make houses out plastic now / 1985 bleh, my house is made out of plastic / 2005 i wish i could get a house not made of plastic" 1285540;1443177255;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wut ? 1285541;1443177546;shinohai;i have one of those light switches w/ android 1285542;1443177648;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285507 << 0 hearts 0 like 0 pinterest 0 etc. because http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/#selection-105.169-105.520 1285543;1443177648;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 07:56:30; punkman: "Anas Aremeyaw Anas is known for, as he calls it, the “naming, shaming and jailing” of criminals all over Ghana – yet few people would be able to pick him out of a crowd." 1285544;1443177649;assbot;Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1YF2TVp ) 1285545;1443177670;mircea_popescu;they got social media to "share ideas and stuff" just as long as those ideas are you know, easy, self flattering and funny. 1285546;1443177674;mircea_popescu;shiny happy people! 1285547;1443177754;shinohai;free slaps? 1285548;1443177780;mircea_popescu;how about free hunger and poverty. 1285549;1443177805;mircea_popescu;and free strippings nude, free whippings and free strychnine injections. 1285550;1443177809;mircea_popescu;you too can be an entertainer! 1285551;1443177828;punkman;oh he's all over the social media in US/UK, even Obama mentioned him. at least as long as he stays in Ghana. 1285552;1443177849;mircea_popescu;aha. 1285553;1443177967;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/24/anas-aremeya-anas-ghana-corruption 1285554;1443177968;assbot;Ghana's top undercover journalist masters disguise to expose corruption | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyTOWE ) 1285555;1443177993;mircea_popescu;punkman no buti mean, the widgets oir w/e on the page in question 1285556;1443178032;punkman;yeah just a sample of what the "media" is writing about him 1285557;1443178076;mircea_popescu;pretty kickass name anyway 1285558;1443178101;shinohai;troll: https://i.imgur.com/4Ra4p98.png 1285559;1443178102;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YF3u9k ) 1285560;1443178106;mircea_popescu;o noes, look at that, eth is not a coin to trade but a technology ever closer to 3 1285561;1443178235;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ5n6EMgPq0 1285562;1443178236;assbot;Marlene Dietrich: Where Have All The Flowers Gone? (Royal Variety Performance. 1963) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YF3Cpr ) 1285563;1443178594;shinohai;o rly? https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m8547/ethereumwalletorg/ 1285564;1443178595;assbot;ethereumwallet.org : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyUUBQ ) 1285565;1443178625;shinohai;~1700 1285566;1443178721;punkman;"Running the code locally is better, but I think even the github code could be updated to leak keys to an external server. Wouldn't we need audited milestones with crc checks to be secure?" 1285567;1443178735;mircea_popescu;"Wait. So someone purchased etherwallet.org (a premium domain name worth a not trivial amount of money most likely), put the work into creating an actual functional wallet with a pretty decent design, spent weeks promoting it, and for what? $1400? What is this? Kindergarten?" 1285568;1443178741;mircea_popescu;ahaha PREMIUMDOMAINNAME 1285569;1443178744;mircea_popescu;jezuz. 1285570;1443178754;mircea_popescu;these freaks really think everything's worth money don't they. 1285571;1443178877;mircea_popescu;but coming back to the issue, isn't "ethereum the webthreezeroeum technologee" supposed to have scripted contracts or something to be the future of future moneys ? 1285572;1443178888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00073301 = 16.1995 BTC [+] 1285573;1443178892;mircea_popescu;did i fundamentally misunderstand what the promotional lie was supposed to be ? 1285574;1443178967;mircea_popescu;and in other lolnews, http://thefreethoughtproject.com/irs-agent-arrested-demanding-20000-bribe-seattle-cannabis-shop-owner/ 1285575;1443178967;assbot;IRS Agent Busted for Attempting to Extort $20,000 from Cannabis Shop Owner | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyVuj1 ) 1285576;1443178993;mircea_popescu;because clearly teh irs is such a respectable, law abiding institution. 1285577;1443179236;fluffypony;punkman: lol CRC checks 1285578;1443179248;fluffypony;tell them 1992 called and it wants its easily-defeated crap back 1285579;1443179328;mircea_popescu;what you can add like comments in the file and shit ? 1285580;1443179344;mircea_popescu;NOBODY COULD HAVE FORETOLD! 1285581;1443179986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38548 @ 0.00073453 = 28.3147 BTC [+] {3} 1285582;1443180034;davout;that is, if anyone actually checks them 1285583;1443180779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00073311 = 42.9602 BTC [-] {5} 1285584;1443180838;jurov;!t m x.eur 1285585;1443180838;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.004 / 0.00438369 / 0.00492306 (460 shares, 2.02 BTC), 30D: 0.004 / 0.00471241 / 0.00492306 (4734 shares, 22.31 BTC) 1285586;1443180856;jurov;;;calc 1/0.004 1285587;1443180857;gribble;250 1285588;1443180860;jurov;whoa 1285589;1443180883;jurov;;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central 1285590;1443180884;gribble;Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 211.5, Best ask: 212.499, Bid-ask spread: 0.99900, Last trade: 212.499, 24 hour volume: 90.15698134, 24 hour low: 205.00006001, 24 hour high: 212.82, 24 hour vwap: 209.84152397 1285591;1443181439;jurov;but davout's bot is mia, again 1285592;1443181450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073916 = 6.0611 BTC [+] 1285593;1443181511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00073937 = 18.8909 BTC [+] {3} 1285594;1443183810;davout;jurov: it doesn't really like my shitty internet apparently... 1285595;1443183813;fluffypony;http://youtu.be/vgqG3ITMv1Q 1285596;1443183814;assbot;The Big Short Trailer (2015) ‐ Paramount Pictures - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQSXmC ) 1285597;1443183951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00073546 = 21.549 BTC [-] 1285598;1443185232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00073411 = 25.6204 BTC [-] {3} 1285599;1443185476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50001 @ 0.00073982 = 36.9917 BTC [+] {3} 1285600;1443185781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14298 @ 0.00072953 = 10.4308 BTC [-] 1285601;1443186296;davout;jurov: tis back 1285602;1443186696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00072606 = 11.3265 BTC [-] 1285603;1443186819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12152 @ 0.00072606 = 8.8231 BTC [-] 1285604;1443186895;mircea_popescu;http://www.diario.aw/2015/01/castigo-di-4-ana-di-prison-pa-homber-cu-a-hasi-sex-cu-su-propio-yiu-muher/ << check out the weird fucking portuguese spanish they use in aruba 1285605;1443186898;assbot;Castigo di 4 aña di prison pa homber cu a hasi sex cu su propio yiu muher — Diario Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1jhxvfl ) 1285606;1443186904;mircea_popescu;(nominally, dutch speaking) 1285607;1443187184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17469 @ 0.00073996 = 12.9264 BTC [+] {3} 1285608;1443187565;mircea_popescu;"Ah the old "got what they deserved" and "should have known better" racket. That applies to dumbass butter cultists but not the normal people who need jobs and happen to land at this company. " 1285609;1443187580;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o god the bitpay thing has done such an irony twist on buttcoin 1285610;1443187598;mircea_popescu;who knew unemployment is the true fear of the libertard. 1285611;1443187603;mircea_popescu;gotta twist this knife more. 1285612;1443188995;funkenstein_;whoa cool 1285613;1443189006;funkenstein_;"Linguistic studies have shown that roughly two thirds of the words in Papiamentu's present vocabulary are of Iberian origin, a quarter are of Dutch origin,and some of Native American origin and the rest come from other tongues." 1285614;1443189014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.0007401 = 21.0188 BTC [+] {3} 1285615;1443189425;mircea_popescu;basically these are the remnants of the arawak 1285616;1443190238;shinohai;weird 1285617;1443190661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3292 @ 0.00074021 = 2.4368 BTC [+] 1285618;1443191576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15130 @ 0.0007404 = 11.2023 BTC [+] {2} 1285619;1443191631;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: thx for comment ! replied : http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/#comment-31488 1285620;1443191633;assbot;BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaWhdt ) 1285621;1443191660;asciilifeform;from the l0ltr0nz: https://theintercept.com/2015/09/25/gchq-radio-porn-spies-track-web-users-online-identities 1285622;1443191662;assbot;From Radio to Porn, British Spies Track Web Users’ Online Identities ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaWmh3 ) 1285623;1443191884;asciilifeform;https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/kaspersky-user-agent-strings << l0l! tax dollarz at werk ! 1285624;1443191885;assbot;Kaspersky User-Agent Strings - NSA - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaWWvh ) 1285625;1443191961;pete_dushenski;http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/headline-story/14353/small-chess-program-bootchess-nanochess/ << 468 byte chess code. 1285626;1443191962;assbot;The bitter rivalry behind the world’s smallest chess program ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaX5il ) 1285627;1443192011;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1285628;1443192018;thestringpuller;http://pre14.deviantart.net/f04e/th/pre/i/2012/135/7/2/ride_the_pig_by_ferrychick1-d4ztumi.jpg << there you go. airworthy pig. be warned its weakness is bees. 1285629;1443192026;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: ^^^ 1285630;1443192045;pete_dushenski;who's that atop the pig ? 1285631;1443192086;thestringpuller;Zim and Gir. 1285632;1443192129;thestringpuller;Only think asciilifeform is that is a government pig. 1285633;1443192192;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20150222033906262/ChessBytes.html << i've had this in a tab for months. seems bootchess' reputation is becoming more renown. doesn't have castling and a few other things iirc 1285634;1443192471;thestringpuller;Lol good ol Tyson: "People don't really understand a currency based on numerical equations. I personally still don't ... but I'm grateful to be a part of the revolution" 1285635;1443192678;pete_dushenski;"Camera Restricta is a speculative design of a new kind of camera. It locates itself via GPS and searches online for photos that have been geotagged nearby. If the camera decides that too many photos have been taken at your location, it retracts the shutter and blocks the viewfinder. You can't take any more pictures here." << notbad for an 'artist' (philipp schmitt) 1285636;1443192714;pete_dushenski;http://philippschmitt.com/projects/img/restricta-prohibited.jpg 1285637;1443192714;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaYWUd ) 1285638;1443192954;pete_dushenski;;;later tell kakobrekla do you have rss feeds for bit4x that could be added to deedbot- ? vis-a-vis http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188325, i care ! 1285639;1443192955;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x 1285640;1443192955;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1285641;1443193148;thestringpuller;just noticed there has never been a single truly trustworthy mining operation to date. 1285642;1443193167;thestringpuller;from gigavps to asicminer to kncminer etc. 1285643;1443193223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00073822 = 7.7882 BTC [-] 1285644;1443193248;pete_dushenski;gigavps was a vps service provider, not a miner, neh ? 1285645;1443193344;pete_dushenski;plus, what do you look for in a 'mining operation' that would make it 'trustworthy' ? 1285646;1443193345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38448 @ 0.00073475 = 28.2497 BTC [-] {3} 1285647;1443193408;pete_dushenski;that's a very vague statement. a garage full of asics could be an 'operation' and it could be in YOUR basement and therefore about as trustworthy as they come 1285648;1443193425;pete_dushenski;i guess never say never ;/ 1285649;1443193437;kakobrekla;nah, no rss. 1285650;1443193481;kakobrekla;there 10+ ticks per second, jiggabytes of garbage nobody that isnt trading wants to see 1285651;1443193483;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2015/08/28/draftkings-starts-fantasy-football-ad-binge/ << where fiat sports betting is at. $275 - 300 mn bezzlars for fantasy platforms that... advertise 1285652;1443193484;assbot;DraftKings Starts Fantasy Football Ad Binge - CMO Today - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb12DA ) 1285653;1443193524;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: larger trades a la 'bigbitbets' would be neat 1285654;1443193528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00074058 = 8.5907 BTC [+] {3} 1285655;1443193540;pete_dushenski;doesn't have to be noisy 1285656;1443193556;kakobrekla;that doesnt make any sense. 1285657;1443193593;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: gigavps was known for the perpetual mining bond on GLBSE gigabond or whatever. MP recently declassified some logs from him way back when proving it was a ponzi all along. 1285658;1443193594;pete_dushenski;just publishing trades above X value doesn't make sense ? 1285659;1443193627;kakobrekla;i dont see how it could 1285660;1443193629;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2015/old-story/ << reference 1285661;1443193664;kakobrekla;do you think my users define the price of aapl stock? 1285662;1443193679;kakobrekla;or the quote on eurusd for that matter. 1285663;1443193904;pete_dushenski;define ? no. 1285664;1443194066;kakobrekla;so you see it would be random useless garbage metadata 1285665;1443194210;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188577 1285666;1443194210;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 21:29:41; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now. 1285667;1443194259;kakobrekla;nah. 1285668;1443194260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073403 = 9.2488 BTC [-] {3} 1285669;1443194281;pete_dushenski;you're the boss. 1285670;1443194462;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/23/us/PopeMobile-History.html << francis is the worst. no latin. no taste. 1285671;1443194465;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb3zxK ) 1285672;1443194519;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285558 << lel 1285673;1443194519;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 10:48:21; shinohai: troll: https://i.imgur.com/4Ra4p98.png 1285674;1443195236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00073354 = 5.8316 BTC [-] 1285675;1443195315;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1285676;1443195724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8325 @ 0.00073354 = 6.1067 BTC [-] 1285677;1443197005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29614 @ 0.00074065 = 21.9336 BTC [+] {2} 1285678;1443197066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59646 @ 0.00074078 = 44.1846 BTC [+] {3} 1285679;1443197249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00073308 = 29.3965 BTC [-] {3} 1285680;1443197981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18282 @ 0.0007384 = 13.4994 BTC [+] 1285681;1443198287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170534 @ 0.00073188 = 124.8104 BTC [-] {4} 1285682;1443198633;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1285683;1443199307;pete_dushenski;"House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), long under fire from conservatives within his own party, will resign Oct. 30." 1285684;1443199438;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/TamerlaneBlog/status/647257147504332800 << Sun Sparcstation 20 1285685;1443199506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41051 @ 0.00072883 = 29.9192 BTC [-] 1285686;1443199562;pete_dushenski;^Computer used to design Lexus LS400 1285687;1443199792;pete_dushenski;ls400 was the luxury sedan that launched the brand and turned the segment on its head, showing that high-end cars could be built to last, comfortable, and as boring as wallpaper paste 1285688;1443200053;pete_dushenski;though for some reason the ls400 was never available with the optional in-dash fax machine that was in the toyota century https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPuD2D5VEAAl19N.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPuD2DyVEAAIUpw.jpg 1285689;1443200054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFIwau ) 1285690;1443200055;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFItvo ) 1285691;1443200145;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsUXtgUEAAOvz5.jpg << moar pope francis having no taste. 1285692;1443200145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFIz62 ) 1285693;1443200177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22309 @ 0.00073466 = 16.3895 BTC [+] 1285694;1443200411;BingoBoingo;;;later tell HeySteve Hello to you too 1285695;1443200412;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1285696;1443200525;pete_dushenski;ETH Last Price 0.00326000 24hr Change -8.78% 1285697;1443200650;ben_vulpes;why is it crashing? 1285698;1443200677;pete_dushenski;because there's nothing there ? 1285699;1443200685;ben_vulpes;!s why is it crashing 1285700;1443200689;assbot;11 results for 'why is it crashing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=why+is+it+crashing 1285701;1443201010;punkman;http://img.ifcdn.com/images/bf387c27eee4bfa9abba170ff78365c65fffc9b51b3770d4b640fd76f889933a_1.jpg free candy 1285702;1443201204;pete_dushenski;http://www.wsj.com/articles/women-describe-adverse-reactions-to-bayer-sterility-device-1443133949 1285703;1443201207;assbot;Medical Panel Calls for Further Study of Bayer Sterility Device - WSJ 1285704;1443201234;pete_dushenski;“Women are telling us that if they reported pain during a study they were thrown out of the study,” Dr. Zuckerman said. 1285705;1443201275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13572 @ 0.00073466 = 9.9708 BTC [+] 1285706;1443201290;pete_dushenski;and i'm off to the meatspace race. ciao! 1285707;1443201641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17428 @ 0.00073191 = 12.7557 BTC [-] 1285708;1443203442;BingoBoingo;Oh, look what Harvey Milk Chocolate is up to now http://www.inquisitr.com/2445759/chris-christie-national-guard-leader-given-strict-order-to-lose-weight/ 1285709;1443203443;assbot;Chris Christie: National Guard Leader Given Strict Order To Lose Weight ... ( http://bit.ly/1VdOss4 ) 1285710;1443203511;BingoBoingo;Related http://qz.com/172019/ketchup-isnt-the-king-of-american-condiments-mayonnaise-is/ 1285711;1443203512;assbot;Ketchup isn’t the king of American condiments. Mayonnaise is - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1VdOArD ) 1285712;1443203776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00072591 = 16.1036 BTC [-] {3} 1285713;1443203959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20466 @ 0.0007251 = 14.8399 BTC [-] 1285714;1443204081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42271 @ 0.00072428 = 30.616 BTC [-] {2} 1285715;1443204212;punkman;handy for viewing diffs side by side and colorized on the terminal https://pypi.python.org/pypi/cdiff 1285716;1443204214;assbot;cdiff 0.9.7 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1VdPpR6 ) 1285717;1443204447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073839 = 8.27 BTC [+] {2} 1285718;1443204874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2160 @ 0.0007384 = 1.5949 BTC [+] 1285719;1443205118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20642 @ 0.00074096 = 15.2949 BTC [+] {2} 1285720;1443205319;mike_c;ooh, i like the side by side 1285721;1443205340;mike_c;that's cool 1285722;1443205350;punkman;mike_c: yeah you just pipe the diff to it 1285723;1443205447;mike_c;that's going in the toolbox. thanks. 1285724;1443205545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51910 @ 0.00073757 = 38.2873 BTC [-] {3} 1285725;1443206094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00072916 = 17.755 BTC [-] 1285726;1443207009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00074 = 7.844 BTC [+] 1285727;1443207558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00072916 = 5.4687 BTC [-] 1285728;1443207924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00074 = 8.066 BTC [+] 1285729;1443209998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42147 @ 0.00074096 = 31.2292 BTC [+] {2} 1285730;1443210577;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1285731;1443210579;ascii_field;http://i.imgur.com/N9LylHf.gifv 1285732;1443210580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7KvJb ) 1285733;1443210608;BingoBoingo;Cool 1285734;1443210791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1701 @ 0.00073504 = 1.2503 BTC [-] 1285735;1443210902;ascii_field;from the l0ltr0nz, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/forcing-suspects-to-reveal-phone-passwords-is-unconstitutional-court-says 1285736;1443210903;assbot;Forcing suspects to reveal phone passwords is unconstitutional, court says | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOqZZO ) 1285737;1443210957;ascii_field;'Orin Kerr, a constitutional scholar and former federal prosecutor, suggested that the "Fifth Amendment issues raised by the content of the passcode could be addressed by having the defendants just enter in their passcodes rather than handing them over to the government."' 1285738;1443211002;ascii_field;!s coke machine 1285739;1443211004;assbot;21 results for 'coke machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coke+machine 1285740;1443211138;trinque;lol @ "compelled compliance" 1285741;1443211218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28701 @ 0.00072746 = 20.8788 BTC [-] {2} 1285742;1443211412;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1285743;1443211426;BingoBoingo;!rate RepublicofBelarus -1 fat 1285744;1443211426;assbot;RepublicofBelarus is not registered in WoT. 1285745;1443211490;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Did you see Atmel was purchased? 1285746;1443211528;trinque;this kerr guy seems like mega-scum 1285747;1443211547;ascii_field;snore. 1285748;1443211584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23681 @ 0.00072596 = 17.1915 BTC [-] 1285749;1443211723;trinque;http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th 1285750;1443211725;assbot;Encryption and the Fifth Amendment Right Against Self-Incrimination - The Volokh Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7M8GH ) 1285751;1443211759;ascii_field;'nobody expects the spanish inquisition', but only a fool at this point would not expect the Coke Machine. 1285752;1443211786;trinque;ascii_field: the govt is not forcing confession; it's forcing you to tell it the truth it already knows! 1285753;1443211803;ascii_field;this is precisely the condition needed for the coke machine 1285754;1443211808;ascii_field;the automated inquisitor. 1285755;1443211840;ascii_field;usg knows that f(x) == y, you get locked into an edgar-poe-esque contraption until you cough up x 1285756;1443211856;ascii_field;(or until dead) 1285757;1443211883;ascii_field;this is after you watch your wives, children, pets, etc. get woodchippered, naturally 1285758;1443211904;ascii_field;also automatically 1285759;1443211915;ascii_field;until and unless you key in x 1285760;1443211950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00072474 = 3.6599 BTC [-] 1285761;1443212052;*;trinque imagines the system freezing due to winblowz 2022 as one pounds the touchscreen begging it to take input 1285762;1443212074;ascii_field;trinque: nah, this'll be the ~other~ usg 1285763;1443212076;ascii_field;the one where ada. 1285764;1443212108;ascii_field;(and certainly no public trials or other circuses) 1285765;1443212385;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1285766;1443212391;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 234.77, vol: 23385.36531342 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.353, vol: 8052.42872 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 235.72, vol: 13143.09438764 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 2.2448 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 238.8018, vol: 22235.52030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 237.18044, vol: 145.64394813 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.184589651, vol: 88.11888908 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1285767;1443212395;BingoBoingo;;;more 1285768;1443212396;gribble;236.007760536 1285769;1443212468;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1285770;1443213170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8246 @ 0.00072474 = 5.9762 BTC [-] 1285771;1443214086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00072407 = 15.3503 BTC [-] 1285772;1443215122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27959 @ 0.00072407 = 20.2443 BTC [-] 1285773;1443215860;punkman;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html 1285774;1443215861;assbot;[BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZjGPg ) 1285775;1443216159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00073332 = 21.1196 BTC [+] {2} 1285776;1443217074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50744 @ 0.00072275 = 36.6752 BTC [-] {4} 1285777;1443217804;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285635 << exactly the wrong kind of fucking ai. a) not actually intelligent ; b) negative - the last thing i fucking want to see is mechanically powered women nagging ; c) not self contained - at least the stupid nag you can beat into the ground. 1285778;1443217804;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 14:51:18; pete_dushenski: "Camera Restricta is a speculative design of a new kind of camera. It locates itself via GPS and searches online for photos that have been geotagged nearby. If the camera decides that too many photos have been taken at your location, it retracts the shutter and blocks the viewfinder. You can't take any more pictures here." << notbad for an 'artist' (philipp schmitt) 1285779;1443217831;mircea_popescu;people, stop making stupid women. there's enough of them around as-is. 1285780;1443217834;mircea_popescu;more than enough, really. 1285781;1443217945;*;jurov read "camera recta" at first.. would kinda work either way 1285782;1443217984;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285667 << whynot!!1 1285783;1443217984;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 15:17:39; kakobrekla: nah. 1285784;1443217990;mircea_popescu;lol yeah jurov 1285785;1443218001;mircea_popescu;objectivus captivus 1285786;1443218083;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285683 << very logical. fucking asswipe caved on the PREVIOUS attempt to use the last remaining power of the senate and reign in the fucking out of control kenyan through the purse. 1285787;1443218083;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 16:41:47; pete_dushenski: "House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), long under fire from conservatives within his own party, will resign Oct. 30." 1285788;1443218093;mircea_popescu;he has to be sent away before trying again. 1285789;1443218122;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots, anyway. the only correct thing is to fire the entire civil service, keep the thing closed for ten years, then tentatively put out half a bn or so see what happens. 1285790;1443218205;mircea_popescu;fucking lalaland where the govt is spending trillions, the populace turns into lazy & stupid cattle whose only aspiration is a govt college certificate for a govt "job" doing nothing and spending its time on reddit. then we wonder where did america go. 1285791;1443218226;mircea_popescu;down the fucking drain of public spending, that's where. stop spending money, it is like giving kids candy. 1285792;1443218280;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285691 << dude, srsly, he's an argentine. whadda ya want ? 1285793;1443218280;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 16:55:45; pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsUXtgUEAAOvz5.jpg << moar pope francis having no taste. 1285794;1443218293;mircea_popescu;he keeps up with cosmo and tries to play pretend he's in it. 1285795;1443218374;mircea_popescu;bah i should look at the pics before commenting. while the general principle is correct that pic doesn't illustrate it at all. 1285796;1443218466;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285696 << awww, look at that, back to 32 ? i guess down 8% today is better than the ~16% yesterday. at this rate it will be stable in an infiniy of days! 1285797;1443218466;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 17:02:05; pete_dushenski: ETH Last Price 0.00326000 24hr Change -8.78% 1285798;1443218696;punkman;you now need 540k eth to sell below 0.001, someone must've read the logs 1285799;1443218898;mircea_popescu;didn't they give out 500k to that random hamplanet for reasons ? 1285800;1443218996;punkman;if I had 500k eth I'd definitely trade them in for 1040 btc on poloniex 1285801;1443219045;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285737 << orin kerr is an imbecile, who the fuck taught him to read and write. 1285802;1443219045;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 19:55:57; ascii_field: 'Orin Kerr, a constitutional scholar and former federal prosecutor, suggested that the "Fifth Amendment issues raised by the content of the passcode could be addressed by having the defendants just enter in their passcodes rather than handing them over to the government."' 1285803;1443219048;punkman;73mil eth available, huh, that's a lot 1285804;1443219101;mircea_popescu;gotta grant it to the pump artists, did a much better job with this than the other team did with ripple. 1285805;1443219125;mircea_popescu;basically the situation is, the chumpatronic engineering progresses much faster than the chumps. 1285806;1443219170;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749 << and how the fuck does "the government" know the mind of man. 1285807;1443219170;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 20:08:43; trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th 1285808;1443219207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2014#633602 1285809;1443219207;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2014 19:22:37; mircea_popescu: the devil himself knows not the thought of man 1285810;1443219270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14434 @ 0.00073333 = 10.5849 BTC [+] {2} 1285811;1443219331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26624 @ 0.0007343 = 19.55 BTC [+] {2} 1285812;1443219362;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5151 << this bet has been SUCH a lulzy excursion into the "how tenuous a grasp of logic does the general public possess ?" 1285813;1443219364;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.96 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 1 week| weight: 89`332 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbUSmR ) 1285814;1443219392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25363 @ 0.00073504 = 18.6428 BTC [+] 1285815;1443219436;mircea_popescu;somehow the concept that if a => b => c => d => f then if (a || b || c || d || f) reduces to if (a) is not directly fucking obvious to this horde of illiterate college graduates. 1285816;1443219463;mircea_popescu;they just know THE METHODS, completely blind to the substance, protest "d is poorly defined". da fuck difference does it make. not like d can ever be the deciding factor. 1285817;1443219501;mircea_popescu;but no, three-ring binder logician musts needs formal match because it's his only interface to the world. 1285818;1443219519;mircea_popescu;racists are people who say nigger. empathy is saying words. stuff!!1 1285819;1443219575;*;mircea_popescu can only imagine that an optimizing compiler would look if written by tards born this millenium, and what mel'd think of it. 1285820;1443219662;mircea_popescu;!up Bingo_VACAY 1285821;1443219668;mircea_popescu;is that vaca y pollo ? 1285822;1443219688;Bingo_VACAY;It's cheap scotch weekend 1285823;1443219727;Bingo_VACAY;I swear as a TA I would not have passed those bbet commenters 1285824;1443219768;Bingo_VACAY;But professor would have "up adjusted" the grade anyways 1285825;1443219808;mircea_popescu;during his very brief toying with teaching, /me decided to flunk the entire, 6-group year, >100 twerps. had chat with provost, agreed to forget about the entire thing. 1285826;1443220047;jurov;http://www.theonion.com/article/pope-francis-lays-hands-ailing-us-infrastructure-51388 1285827;1443220048;assbot;Pope Francis Lays Hands On Ailing U.S. Infrastructure - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9Vnk ) 1285828;1443220054;jurov;^ totally fell for it 1285829;1443220293;mircea_popescu;lol 1285830;1443220325;mircea_popescu;!up HostFat 1285831;1443220334;HostFat;hi 1285832;1443220337;mircea_popescu;hola 1285833;1443220430;HostFat;I did 2 bets some weeks ago, maybe more than a month 1285834;1443220448;mircea_popescu;link ? 1285835;1443220455;HostFat;so, here you said that after a while, if they were rejected 1285836;1443220460;HostFat;I could have them back 1285837;1443220464;HostFat;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155171 1285838;1443220464;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 12:49:29; mircea_popescu: for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will. 1285839;1443220474;mircea_popescu;link to the actual bets. 1285840;1443220483;HostFat;hmm ... 1285841;1443220490;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b1 << like that. 1285842;1443220491;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 51.16 B (28%) on Yes, 134.11 B (72%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 88`056 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbXuRI ) 1285843;1443220496;mircea_popescu;the date carries a url 1285844;1443220509;HostFat;I'm not sure that they are available, but they are visible here 1285845;1443220509;HostFat;https://bitbet.us/propositions/?json&limit=500 1285846;1443220510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbXyRh ) 1285847;1443220522;mircea_popescu;mno. 1285848;1443220531;mircea_popescu;oh you mean you made propositions ? 1285849;1443220538;HostFat;yes 1285850;1443220555;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1285851;1443220565;HostFat;"Bitcoin main net block size to increase after 1 June 2016" and "Bitcoin main net block size increased on 1 June 2016" 1285852;1443220594;HostFat;as I remember, they were both of 0.1 BTC 1285853;1443220620;HostFat;maybe I can even find the addresses ... 1285854;1443220657;mircea_popescu;ok, so what's the problem ? 1285855;1443220677;HostFat;"rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it" 1285856;1443220685;HostFat;what did you mean by saying this? 1285857;1443220699;mircea_popescu;that within a day or two you should have hat the 0.1 or w/e it was refunded. 1285858;1443220731;HostFat;eh, I think that it is passed more than a month :) 1285859;1443220732;mircea_popescu;like you know, 14 weeks ago 1285860;1443220745;mircea_popescu;well, what was the return address you specified ? 1285861;1443220773;HostFat;I'm not sure that I've wrote it 1285862;1443220778;HostFat;maybe I missed it 1285863;1443220781;mircea_popescu;then how would bitbet send you refund ? 1285864;1443220845;HostFat;you are right 1285865;1443220847;HostFat;https://bitbet.us/new/ 1285866;1443220848;assbot;New BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYrcM ) 1285867;1443220866;HostFat;is it under "YOUR BITCOIN ADDRESS" ? 1285868;1443220885;HostFat;it's strange that I didn't put in it... I can't remember 1285869;1443220897;mircea_popescu;i mean, if you look at the top bet right now on the list (24-09-2015 Rejected Namibia Vs New Zealand) 1285870;1443220905;mircea_popescu;it paid the 15 into https://blockchain.info/address/17WY6rscZvSyzDXdKZPm5fAWzKLN2fW39h 1285871;1443220905;assbot;Bitcoin Address 17WY6rscZvSyzDXdKZPm5fAWzKLN2fW39h ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYDsm ) 1285872;1443220913;mircea_popescu;and it was refunded the next day : https://blockchain.info/address/1LFwKt7tMTWPWn2Sf9qM6n88zNxgnxGRYo 1285873;1443220914;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1LFwKt7tMTWPWn2Sf9qM6n88zNxgnxGRYo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYBRt ) 1285874;1443220951;mircea_popescu;this can be readily verified for the entire list visible there, not so much for json because well, json doesn't have the links baked in, being json 1285875;1443220995;mircea_popescu;going coupla months back or so. 1285876;1443221109;HostFat;so is it possible to make new bets without writing any address? 1285877;1443221146;HostFat;I could even used a multisig addresses, is it compatible with your script? 1285878;1443221166;mircea_popescu;well it's also possible to send bitcoins to address 1qwertyuiop etc. bitbet doesn't have a ready way to know. 1285879;1443221183;mircea_popescu;but i guess a warning if the field value doesn't verify as an address may be a good idea, when kakobrekla has some time for this. 1285880;1443221229;HostFat;I'm more on the idea that I didn't put anything than a wrong address 1285881;1443221264;HostFat;(or a multisig address) 1285882;1443221275;mircea_popescu;aha. 1285883;1443221405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00073561 = 17.434 BTC [+] {3} 1285884;1443221517;kakobrekla;address is mandatory with props 1285885;1443221631;HostFat;so it is sure that I've put it in 1285886;1443221711;kakobrekla;Bitcoin main net block size to increase after 1 June 2016 ; in 13sbmEE4bhc7xbvpkJzxUJA4dc2U1LhMQg ; out 16SmhvkungFVsoTM1xLkm74kAoZERVvhoG 1285887;1443221756;kakobrekla;Bitcoin main net block size increased on 1 June 2016 ; in 1HDwwjqntD6HdKfhiTQXJfaY6dK1fFrwJc ; out 13LvVjrzH4Vwsk6VB5dfPahkBpURRsZFVa 1285888;1443221766;mircea_popescu;thanks k 1285889;1443221832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00073299 = 15.9792 BTC [-] 1285890;1443221837;HostFat;now, I need to find where are these addresses :P 1285891;1443221935;kakobrekla;HostFat> I could even used a multisig addresses, is it compatible with your script? < incidentally its compatible, since a few hours ago. 1285892;1443222065;mircea_popescu;meh, why the fuck are we even supporting that. 1285893;1443222088;kakobrekla;some derp keeps selecting 'send back to originating address' and sending from multisig 1285894;1443222096;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1285895;1443222103;mircea_popescu;fucking bullshit. 1285896;1443222120;mircea_popescu;anyway, since you're looking at it : can you change "new bet" to "new prop" in the header 1285897;1443222133;mircea_popescu;and "ADD A NEW BET " to "ADD A NEW PROP" on https://bitbet.us/new/ pager 1285898;1443222133;assbot;New BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYrcM ) 1285899;1443222136;mircea_popescu;it's fucking confusing. 1285900;1443222144;kakobrekla;hehe k 1285901;1443222157;mircea_popescu;from henceforthj they're gonna be "bets" and "props" 1285902;1443222183;kakobrekla;and bets bets 1285903;1443222227;mircea_popescu;lolwuty! 1285904;1443222253;kakobrekla;bets have bets, no ? 1285905;1443222272;mircea_popescu;props have bets 1285906;1443222290;kakobrekla;but when prop is accepted it becomes a bet 1285907;1443222295;kakobrekla;and it collects ... bets. 1285908;1443222298;mircea_popescu;a urrite, "NEW BETS" => NEW PROPS 1285909;1443222327;mircea_popescu;no, the idea is, the previous meaning of the word "Bet" as in, the page with a description and so forth, is now called prop 1285910;1443222338;mircea_popescu;the individual quanta of money sent to a prop, were and remain "bets" 1285911;1443222374;mircea_popescu;Active bets: 44 > active props: 44 1285912;1443222404;mircea_popescu;"BROWSE BETS" => BROWSE PROPS 1285913;1443222405;punkman;could change individual bets to "wagers" 1285914;1443222426;mircea_popescu;yeah but it's six letters. 1285915;1443222431;kakobrekla;the url is bitbet.us/bet/xxx 1285916;1443222443;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that i don't care about. 1285917;1443222473;punkman;I used "Props" in the cli app :P 1285918;1443222479;mircea_popescu;there's no rule that urls are metasyntactical 1285919;1443222489;kakobrekla;'add a new bet' went to 'add a new prop' now 1285920;1443222496;mircea_popescu;yeah 1285921;1443222518;mircea_popescu;"THE BET" can stay as it is. 1285922;1443222529;mircea_popescu;no, SHOULD stay as it is. it's a proposition of a bet. 1285923;1443222539;mircea_popescu;fucking english is useless, btw. 1285924;1443222547;kakobrekla;are we still discussing bitbet? 1285925;1443222569;mircea_popescu;all they can say is shit about money. thanks to the imbecile yet overvoiced females they got, language doesn't woirk for fucking, for gambling, for nuttin. 1285926;1443222578;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://bitbet.us/new/ << on that page. 1285927;1443222578;assbot;New BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYrcM ) 1285928;1443222587;mircea_popescu;where you put the body in, the title should stay "THE BET" 1285929;1443222620;kakobrekla;you mean should say the prop 1285930;1443222620;kakobrekla;? 1285931;1443222625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9957 @ 0.0007367 = 7.3353 BTC [+] 1285932;1443222627;kakobrekla;it says the bet now. 1285933;1443222636;mircea_popescu;i mean should say "THE BET", as it does now. unchanged, that bit. 1285934;1443222652;kakobrekla;omg ok 1285935;1443222663;kakobrekla;fucking circles 1285936;1443222664;mircea_popescu;sorry! 1285937;1443222671;mircea_popescu;i didn't invent the broken! 1285938;1443222681;kakobrekla;kk 1285939;1443222688;mircea_popescu;in the crooked timber of the english language, no kant was ever translated. 1285940;1443222938;lobbes;https://bitbet.us/bet/1203/hillary-clinton-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/ << suprised not more 'No' votes; Sanders is causing an uproar with teh libertard community. 1285941;1443222938;assbot;BitBet - Hillary Clinton will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.27 B (90%) on Yes, 0.03 B (10%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`068 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mve3oP ) 1285942;1443222949;lobbes;champion of socialism, that guy 1285943;1443223302;mircea_popescu;which one is sanders again ? 1285944;1443223418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00073722 = 12.3116 BTC [+] 1285945;1443223494;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large 1285946;1443223495;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc4CNM ) 1285947;1443223526;trinque;mircea_popescu: he's the derpy looking socialist from vermont 1285948;1443223579;trinque;proposes we spend some umpteen trillion dollars to stimulate the whatever 1285949;1443223879;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285945 << this ~almost~ beats the saudi slave collar patent for sheer lulz 1285950;1443223879;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 23:24:54; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large 1285951;1443224081;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285801 << perhaps ignatius of loyola did... 1285952;1443224081;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 22:10:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285737 << orin kerr is an imbecile, who the fuck taught him to read and write. 1285953;1443224130;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285806 << always possible that it made mistake! poor mr schmuck dies under torture, didn't know the password ? so sorry ! 1285954;1443224130;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 22:12:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749 << and how the fuck does "the government" know the mind of man. 1285955;1443224160;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285819 << easy riddle! llvm. 1285956;1443224160;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 22:19:35; *: mircea_popescu can only imagine that an optimizing compiler would look if written by tards born this millenium, and what mel'd think of it. 1285957;1443224200;punkman;llvm wasn't written by 15 y olds 1285958;1443224208;asciilifeform;may as well have been. 1285959;1443224227;asciilifeform;and dollars to doughnuts, there are 15 y.o. 'contributing'. 1285960;1443224249;punkman;especially if it has to do with javascript 1285961;1443224278;punkman;http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8v5hjA5pY1qm89nlo1_1280.png 1285962;1443224279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc696F ) 1285963;1443224322;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285945 << http://www.google.com/patents/US8246454 1285964;1443224322;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 23:24:54; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large 1285965;1443224323;assbot;Patent US8246454 - System for converting television commercials into interactive networked ... - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc6c2d ) 1285966;1443224328;trinque;innovation! 1285967;1443224367;mircea_popescu;in other news, snakes on a plane is an incredibly bad film. down there with tucker max productions and shit. 1285968;1443224399;mircea_popescu;it's sad that crud like that is going to be forever associated with "the first attempt to put the internet in the #1 position for marketing a movie" 1285969;1443224477;mircea_popescu;what's more sad is the fucking mosfilm level of the script. seriously, the "idealistic da" ? what the fuck, there is no even remotely ethical da in the us, nor was there, for 30+ years. 1285970;1443224508;mircea_popescu;what's this bullshit 1950esque "bad guys against the angelic aparatchiks" ? where the fuck is the hollywood movie about carl force V 1285971;1443224525;asciilifeform;iirc they're making one about ulbricht 1285972;1443224527;mircea_popescu;what, the bulger crime family never happened, right ? 1285973;1443224530;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit. 1285974;1443224533;asciilifeform;and the heroic chekists who nailed him 1285975;1443224538;asciilifeform;or the like. 1285976;1443224543;mircea_popescu;make me one in which bharara is depicted au naturel : as a lying, evil scumbag from hell. 1285977;1443224572;mircea_popescu;the cinematic vocation of 2010s is, depicting the us president as a sort of nero. 1285978;1443224579;mircea_popescu;that's what you gotta do, IF you're gonna make movies. 1285979;1443224598;mircea_popescu;speak truth to power and all that. 1285980;1443224607;asciilifeform;almost as if the 'hollywood code' never died.. 1285981;1443224627;mircea_popescu;the average "criminal" being definitely more lovable, and in general more ethically respectable than the BEST of the law enforcement criminal gang. 1285982;1443224633;mircea_popescu;that's the truth, that's the movie you make. or fuck you. 1285983;1443224699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20504 @ 0.00073462 = 15.0626 BTC [-] {3} 1285984;1443224702;*;mircea_popescu wants a director now. 1285985;1443224704;asciilifeform;it is interesting to note the extent to which the 'code' folks succeeded. 19th c. usa was a place where rogues, bandits, brigands of every conceivable sort - were popular heroes 1285986;1443224724;mircea_popescu;hjas nothing to do with the code folks. in the 19th century, the us was a place where people earned their keep. 1285987;1443224731;mircea_popescu;today, they sit in govt dole. 1285988;1443224757;asciilifeform;recall how orwell pissed his panties over it? 1285989;1443224760;mircea_popescu;1970s russians believed the soviets are non-dumb. just like 2010 chinese believe the same about their idiotic leadership. 1285990;1443224766;asciilifeform;'In ROUGHING IT there is an interesting account of a bandit named Slade, who, among countless other outrages, had committed twenty-eight murders. It is perfectly clear that Mark Twain admires this disgusting scoundrel. Slade was successful; therefore he was admirable. This outlook, no less common today, is summed up in the significant American expression 'to MAKE GOOD'. ' 1285991;1443224773;asciilifeform;( http://www.george-orwell.org/Mark_Twain_--_The_Licensed_Jester/0.html ) 1285992;1443224774;assbot;George Orwell - Mark Twain -- The Licensed Jester - Essay ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc707t ) 1285993;1443224781;mircea_popescu;i recall the part, but where do you take it ? 1285994;1443224811;asciilifeform;possibly to where there isn't really a trace of this (at least afaik) left ? 1285995;1443224829;mircea_popescu;where ? 1285996;1443224832;mircea_popescu;does fine here. 1285997;1443224835;mircea_popescu;does poorly on reddit. 1285998;1443224838;mircea_popescu;look at the demographics. 1285999;1443224864;asciilifeform;thinking of, e.g., the erik frein case 1286000;1443224883;asciilifeform;did the locals ferry the outlaw to mexico? or even across state line ? 1286001;1443224901;asciilifeform;or did they collectively bend over and lube up for usg in gratitude for removing the irritant 1286002;1443224906;asciilifeform;iirc it was the latter. 1286003;1443224925;mircea_popescu;certainly. still, look at the demographics. 1286004;1443224944;asciilifeform;of whom ? 1286005;1443225015;mircea_popescu;of the bent over crowd. 1286006;1443225029;mircea_popescu;they are all, without exception, living above their means on govt supports. 1286007;1443225044;mircea_popescu;for as long as taxation is negative, you don't really get much robin hood action. 1286008;1443225074;asciilifeform;something doesn't quite make sense to me 1286009;1443225101;asciilifeform;the taxation is at its most negative in the inner cities (ferguson et al) where the 'robin hood action' is quite lively 1286010;1443225167;mircea_popescu;those aren't subjects. 1286011;1443225178;mircea_popescu;inner city black man does not see himself as owned by the crown. 1286012;1443225219;asciilifeform;the elephants in the zoo also do not see themselves as owned by the crown.. 1286013;1443225231;mircea_popescu;anyway. to reiterate : b-a needs to get a cinema production unit going. talk to me babies! 1286014;1443225248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.0007404 = 37.2051 BTC [+] {5} 1286015;1443225249;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consequently the negative taxation they beenfit from does not figure in their breaking of cages. 1286016;1443225350;mircea_popescu;(and you will also note that elephants in zoo may break cages/lay waste to the hay depot, but do not as a rule figure out hjow to use gps to locate the central bureau of zoos and burn the local pencildicks in charge.) 1286017;1443225367;mircea_popescu;in other words : inner city blacks are subhuman, and not a proper example in this discussion. 1286018;1443225405;asciilifeform;everybody else in usa, afaik, is properly defanged. 1286019;1443225461;mircea_popescu;besides the point. 1286020;1443225502;mircea_popescu;but you will notice that we're not merely aghast at inept fiat govertnment. we have substitute. we collect fucking taxes. heck, b-a collection is above the historical maximum for ANY fiat state known during the past century or more. well over 90%. 1286021;1443225510;mircea_popescu;show me the ghetto kingdom they built themselves. 1286022;1443225557;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more of a church, structurally - almost everyone has a day job, does it as a spare thing 1286023;1443225568;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1286024;1443225578;asciilifeform;churches, or so i'm told, have pretty good 'collection rate' 1286025;1443225585;mircea_popescu;exactly like a state. 19th century americans ALSO had a day job. 1286026;1443225597;mircea_popescu;they didn't sit around being americans for more than an hour a month. 1286027;1443225650;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, i tried to re-read dostoyevsky for my sins. 1286028;1443225666;mircea_popescu;oh-my-fucking-god is this guy boring&stupid. 1286029;1443225679;*;asciilifeform had same reaction as a young man 1286030;1443225684;mircea_popescu;that fucking letter to the bum from his IDIOTIC mother about how that slut of a sister of his lied to everyone and wouldn't fuck 1286031;1443225689;mircea_popescu;jesus christ i threw it away. 1286032;1443225701;mircea_popescu;how did this shit pass for literature again, it has all the drawbacks of cancerous womanhood. 1286033;1443225725;asciilifeform;literature of decaying cultures is a matter for pro archaeologists 1286034;1443225730;mircea_popescu;nothing but nagging and an insistence of posing the likes of which isn't yet encountered on instagram! 1286035;1443225731;asciilifeform;who go in for that kind of thing. 1286036;1443225755;mircea_popescu;i'm supposed to admire how dounia "Can endure" ? fuck her stupid head ? 1286037;1443225757;mircea_popescu;jesus. 1286038;1443225792;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285972 <<< any idea if he actually was an informant? 1286039;1443225792;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 23:42:07; mircea_popescu: what, the bulger crime family never happened, right ? 1286040;1443225793;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285778 << if we're doing crackpot evil inventions, i much prefer the 'drm chair' 1286041;1443225793;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 21:50:04; assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 14:51:18; pete_dushenski: "Camera Restricta is a speculative design of a new kind of camera. It locates itself via GPS and searches online for photos that have been geotagged nearby. If the camera decides that too many photos have been taken at your location, it retracts the shutter and blocks the viewfinder. You can't take any more pictures here." << notbad for an 'artist' (philipp schm 1286042;1443225819;mircea_popescu;cazalla prolly was, in the sense of "i'll tell you about the italians so you can tell your boss im an informant and then tell me when they wanna hit my org." 1286043;1443225820;asciilifeform;http://www.creativeapplications.net/objects/drm-chair-chair-that-self-destructs-after-8-uses << not this one. although it, too 1286044;1443225823;assbot;DRM Chair - Chair that self-destructs after 8 uses ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wo8vBa ) 1286045;1443225843;mircea_popescu;why 8 ? 1286046;1443225859;mircea_popescu;and how come they're not working to make a woman that self-destructs after fucking. 1286047;1443225866;mircea_popescu;prolly make violent rape go away. 1286048;1443225876;asciilifeform;http://wearcam.org/seatsale << THIS one. 1286049;1443225877;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wo8GfL ) 1286050;1443225939;punkman;http://wiki.xxiivv.com/img/diary/306.jpg 1286051;1443225943;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wo8Ofi ) 1286052;1443225956;asciilifeform;incidentally all this was, afaik, ~before~ self-destructing printer cartridges and other mundane implementations of this crud became common 1286053;1443225970;mircea_popescu;let me guess punkman, thats a graph of bitcoind 1286054;1443225991;punkman;possibly 1286055;1443226034;punkman;cute website there too 1286056;1443226163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.00074053 = 28.3993 BTC [+] {4} 1286057;1443226189;asciilifeform;the 'enforced obsolescence' thing is sop even in something as boring as yard tools. not long ago, i bought an electric grass-cutter thing. works great, but battery holds a charge for perhaps 10 min! vendor used to sell the 36v battery pack for ~200 usd. extortionate, in there are 3 12v lead acid cells. which are 50mm wide, precisely, and no replacement sold anywhere in the world fits in the container! they, turns out, contract 1286058;1443226189;asciilifeform;ed with chinese SPECIFICALLY to make this. 1286059;1443226202;asciilifeform;perhaps BingoBoingo has encountered such items, in his work. 1286060;1443226246;asciilifeform;i went today to a specialist who deals in rare batteries, and he just gave me a pitying look. 1286061;1443226279;mircea_popescu;https://cinetext.wordpress.com/category/soviet-film/page/2/ << if anyone's truly bored, curious about the topic of cinema and doesn't read russian. 1286062;1443226281;assbot;Soviet Film « Early & Silent Film ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wo9D7U ) 1286063;1443226289;mircea_popescu;guy's broadly inept but decently documented. 1286064;1443226327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when i bought a grass cutter i bought one with plug. fuck me if im going to buy any battery anything. 1286065;1443226357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cord is a bitch on this hilly terrain. tends to get run over. 1286066;1443226380;asciilifeform;and the thing was cheap, lunch money. let go for pennies by the last fella who tried to get the battery. 1286067;1443226383;mircea_popescu;i just cut in lines away from the house. cord was at no point past wherer i cut. 1286068;1443226435;mircea_popescu;but i guess you'll have to hitch a car battery to it. 1286069;1443226440;asciilifeform;3 of them. 1286070;1443226443;asciilifeform;36v motor. 1286071;1443226446;mircea_popescu;oh. 1286072;1443226448;mircea_popescu;get a rack ? 1286073;1443226455;asciilifeform;l0l 1286074;1443226457;mircea_popescu;:D 1286075;1443226489;asciilifeform;gotta appreciate the pure genius of the chumpatronics here 1286076;1443226499;asciilifeform;a lead-acid cell is good for perhaps 10-20 'deep' cycles 1286077;1443226503;mircea_popescu;i somehow doubt a 36 v motor is actually in there. what, this thing weighs 60 lbs ? 1286078;1443226508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does. 1286079;1443226512;mircea_popescu;best cut off the 36 to 12v transformer 1286080;1443226512;mircea_popescu;oh 1286081;1443226530;asciilifeform;it indeed has dc 36v windings. 1286082;1443226535;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1286083;1443226542;mircea_popescu;so it's more like a motorized woodchipper ? 1286084;1443226549;asciilifeform;nearly. 1286085;1443226570;asciilifeform;theoretically very spiffy for folks like me who despise this chore. 1286086;1443226572;mircea_popescu;my thing was a very respectable 600W DC thing, never had a problem cutting right through thistle and whatnot. 1286087;1443226587;asciilifeform;dc ? 1286088;1443226594;mircea_popescu;ac i mean. 1286089;1443226594;asciilifeform;i thought it was plugged into mains 1286090;1443226596;asciilifeform;ah 1286091;1443226606;mircea_popescu;anyway sharp blade counts ^2, motor power counts like ^.8 or something. 1286092;1443226621;asciilifeform;aha, learned this experimentally. 1286093;1443226630;mircea_popescu;cuz you didn't bother to think about it. 1286094;1443226630;asciilifeform;the last owner fitted a very expensive and nice new blade 1286095;1443226648;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do you think scythe grass cutters insist on skill an d sharp scythe, rather than bulging biceps. 1286096;1443226666;mircea_popescu;how do you even call this in english, 1286097;1443226678;mircea_popescu;haymen ? 1286098;1443226692;mircea_popescu;"haymaker" 1286099;1443226694;asciilifeform;aha 1286100;1443226711;mircea_popescu;no nm, that';s more the tool. scytheman! 1286101;1443226748;mircea_popescu;onbe of the foremost lost arts. there's an entire story to the job, including how to build waterproof hay piles. 1286102;1443226822;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess unless you make your own order for 36v batteries that's not getting fixed, who the fuck wants to charge 3 items one by one etc 1286103;1443226838;asciilifeform;nobody 1286104;1443226847;asciilifeform;and guess what, even the charger was ~built in~ to the container 1286105;1443226862;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could install one of those electric bike things 1286106;1443226869;mircea_popescu;iirc was 36v like 30-50 Ah 1286107;1443226883;asciilifeform;not a single one ever made and publicly sold, apparently, fits. 1286108;1443226891;mircea_popescu;well that's for sure. but, plastic, right ? 1286109;1443226936;asciilifeform;steel. 1286110;1443227009;mircea_popescu;lmao! 1286111;1443227016;asciilifeform;ikr? 1286112;1443227021;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna make it heavier than a fuckable woman and steel and whatnot 1286113;1443227028;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not put an actual engine in there ? 1286114;1443227035;asciilifeform;fuck actual engine 1286115;1443227037;asciilifeform;i had one of those 1286116;1443227044;asciilifeform;the vibration stripped the skin off my hands every time. 1286117;1443227044;mircea_popescu;exhaust ? 1286118;1443227046;asciilifeform;even with gloves on. 1286119;1443227047;mircea_popescu;oh 1286120;1443227060;mircea_popescu;nobody forces you to make a shitty engine! 1286121;1443227075;asciilifeform;here in zimbabwestan, that's all there is. 1286122;1443227085;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/a/QPjfr << uploaded for posterity. 1286123;1443227086;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1WoayoK ) 1286124;1443227147;mircea_popescu;and it charges at 1.5 ? how long does this take, whole night ? 1286125;1443227161;asciilifeform;aha 1286126;1443227202;*;mircea_popescu is suddenly very appreciative of all the problems he never had. 1286127;1443227339;asciilifeform;grass is a plague. 1286128;1443227350;asciilifeform;if it were my lands, i would have concrete poured. 1286129;1443227360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform << http://trilema.com/2011/marea-afacere-cu-tuns-iarba/#selection-49.0-53.287 i have history! 1286130;1443227361;assbot;Marea afacere cu tuns iarba on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WoaUMa ) 1286131;1443227364;mircea_popescu;because the fucking blog! 1286132;1443227372;asciilifeform;(or alternatively some form of vegetation that doesn't need trimming) 1286133;1443227408;mircea_popescu;https://www.bosch-garden.com/gb/en/garden-tools/garden-tools/rotak-34-r-3165140746472-199956.jsp 1286134;1443227409;assbot;Rotak 34 R | Rotak lawnmowers | Lawnmowers | Garden | Bosch ... ( http://bit.ly/1WoaYvn ) 1286135;1443227415;mircea_popescu;and turns out i was wrong, it was 1.3kw 1286136;1443227436;asciilifeform;spiffy! 1286137;1443227455;asciilifeform;if i ever encounter one of these sold at a street corner for twentybux i will certainly buy it.. 1286138;1443227499;mircea_popescu;and i even have the exact moneyary counts. 450 lei for the item, =~ 150 bucks. 90 lei for two chord extensions (40m total), 30 bucls. 1286139;1443227517;asciilifeform;astonishing 1286140;1443227520;mircea_popescu;i have over you the advantage that hey, corporate purchases. tax writeoff. 1286141;1443227522;asciilifeform;helps that you had 220v there 1286142;1443227526;mircea_popescu;so i didn't ACTUALLY pay anything on them. 1286143;1443227535;asciilifeform;neato 1286144;1443227648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah grass is great. grasshoppers! 1286145;1443227725;*;asciilifeform is not certain he ever once saw a grasshopper in this part of the globe 1286146;1443227749;asciilifeform;perhaps they were once there. 1286147;1443227751;mircea_popescu;one of the best parts of cutting grass in like may/june was, after you cut it, the next day or w/e, you go for a stroll 1286148;1443227762;mircea_popescu;and there's this cloud of little 2mm guys jumping from where yo ustep 1286149;1443227764;mircea_popescu;kickass. 1286150;1443227784;mircea_popescu;and i do mean cloud, 100s in the air at any time. 1286151;1443227801;asciilifeform;here we sorta have the opposite - as you cut, you liberate mosquitoes and earth wasps (or what are they called?) and they go straight for your flesh. 1286152;1443227820;mircea_popescu;i never saw this. 1286153;1443227832;asciilifeform;perhaps only in the dc swamps. 1286154;1443227844;mircea_popescu;i did have a wasp once. i... bought it a drink. 1286155;1443227866;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/viesparium/ << mugshots. 1286156;1443227867;assbot;Viesparium on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wobtpm ) 1286157;1443227906;asciilifeform;here we have many kinds of wasp 1286158;1443227923;asciilifeform;they like to burrow into the (made of almost nothing, typically) 'siding' of houses and nest in the very walls. 1286159;1443227928;asciilifeform;sometimes, a room or two in ! 1286160;1443227937;asciilifeform;put your ear to the wall, 'bzzzzss' 1286161;1443227944;mircea_popescu;scary. 1286162;1443227962;asciilifeform;i bet overseas folks here think i am describing a prison planet straight from robert sheckley or the like 1286163;1443227964;*;mircea_popescu knows some women that are wasphobic 1286164;1443227965;asciilifeform;but we actually have these. 1286165;1443228012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these macro shots are glorious 1286166;1443228016;asciilifeform;what optic was used ? 1286167;1443228032;mircea_popescu;handheld potato. 1286168;1443228040;asciilifeform;very good hand, then. 1286169;1443228048;mircea_popescu;supposedly i coulda been a surgeon. 1286170;1443228064;mircea_popescu;but it's more to do with the fact that i understand how the fucking focus thing works and just time it in my head. 1286171;1443228096;mircea_popescu;(digital cam autofocus thing is NOT able to resolve the n/p problem of "correct focus". it just tries. and fails, predictably, after missing some optimums) 1286172;1443228103;asciilifeform;the 'vulvarium' link is also interesting 1286173;1443228106;punkman;manual focus is a must for macro shots 1286174;1443228117;mircea_popescu;apparently it isn't :) 1286175;1443228136;mircea_popescu;autofocus works just fine, just gotta be sane. 1286176;1443228172;mircea_popescu;(sane = not expect it to succeed, understand how it tries.) 1286177;1443228174;punkman;there is nothing for autofocus to target when the subject is very close to the lens 1286178;1443228184;punkman;gotta lock it, and manual focus by moving around 1286179;1443228198;mircea_popescu;i suppose if you count such procedures as manual then yes. 1286180;1443228251;punkman;(for some kinds of autofocus at least, like the ones that shine an IR light) 1286181;1443228537;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/09/eyewitness-people-walking-out-of-bitpay-office-in-tears/#comment-61115 << lol, ~the~ TaT? shakespeare, or another man by same name ?! 1286182;1443228538;assbot;Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVnuyH ) 1286183;1443228547;cazalla;those fucking wasps (Vespula germanica) were everywhere last summer, i had never seen them prior to that http://i.imgur.com/vSW9cw8.jpg 1286184;1443228547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVnte0 ) 1286185;1443228656;cazalla;mircea_popescu, from your pics.. that's not a nest (knife), this is a nest http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-02/world-biggest-wasp-nest-found-on-a-property-in-northern-tas/6367536 1286186;1443228658;assbot;What is believed to be the world's biggest wasp nest has been found in northern Tasmania - ABC Rural (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVnHSo ) 1286187;1443228717;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285688 << now ~this~ is spiffy. 1286188;1443228717;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 16:54:13; pete_dushenski: though for some reason the ls400 was never available with the optional in-dash fax machine that was in the toyota century https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPuD2D5VEAAl19N.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPuD2DyVEAAIUpw.jpg 1286189;1443228725;mircea_popescu;damn i love reading my old shit. http://trilema.com/2011/marea-afacere-cu-tuns-iarba/#selection-65.0-69.562 aka 1286190;1443228726;assbot;Marea afacere cu tuns iarba on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVnQ8m ) 1286191;1443228726;mircea_popescu;"Teh romanians entertain the mistaken view that one can't die of hunger. One can. Not only can, will. A certain count of Romanians (as large as necessary) will die of hunger, in the closer or more distant future, because otherwise the populace does not seem capable to comprehend that the only reason Trompi dropped them in the world is so they work. They're not here to enjoy themselves, they're not here to be happy, the 1286192;1443228726;mircea_popescu;y're not here to state their oppinions, eat doritos or drink bear. They're here to work and only work, a lot, hard and for very little money. Until they fall over." 1286193;1443228738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i just read that, aha 1286194;1443228748;asciilifeform;how many of hunger so far ? 1286195;1443228753;mircea_popescu;cazalla this is romania. we have 100 lb women and tiny polen wasps here. 1286196;1443228761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really enough. 1286197;1443228784;mircea_popescu;and what the fuck is that scary shit. 1286198;1443228802;mircea_popescu;monsanto should ge au wasps to build houses in new mexico. 1286199;1443228827;asciilifeform;betcha this will be tried. 1286200;1443228838;asciilifeform;it is almost certainly easier than getting homo redditicus to build a house ! 1286201;1443228854;mircea_popescu;o yeah. wasp is very disciplined. 1286202;1443228890;asciilifeform;which is why 'They're here to work and only work, a lot, hard and for very little money. Until they fall over.' is hilariously optimistic. most of these people, i doubt could even be made useful at butugychag, where 'fall over' is a matter of 3 months or so 1286203;1443228920;mircea_popescu;time will show&tell. 1286204;1443228924;punkman;opensource to share with the neighbors https://github.com/whitepacket/ZIB-Trojan "Replace Bitcoin addresses in clipboard with yours." "Undetectable ad-fraud smart viewer" "automated system for handling [Bitcoin] payments, providing bot-net binaries, and creating bot-net IRC channels." 1286205;1443228925;assbot;whitepacket/ZIB-Trojan · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVocMf ) 1286206;1443228927;asciilifeform;why otherwise would usg park them at reddit rather than in alaska. 1286207;1443228949;asciilifeform;l0lzy 1286208;1443228951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the usg is cosubstantial. 1286209;1443228956;mircea_popescu;there isn't a better stock in the us. 1286210;1443228965;asciilifeform;i reversed a btc (and ltc even) wallet lifter not long ago. 1286211;1443228973;asciilifeform;apparently ~someone~ still uses unenciphered wallet.dat 1286212;1443228975;asciilifeform;on winblowz. 1286213;1443228989;asciilifeform;and/or some fool thinks that someone still does. 1286214;1443229001;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's more of a "hopeful" case : what if bozo plugs in hdd not plugged in since 2010 ? 1286215;1443229010;mircea_popescu;10k btc he doesn't even know about in a old directory etc 1286216;1443229040;punkman;stupid if you don't grab all wallet.dats, even encrypted ones 1286217;1443229112;mircea_popescu;"it's on a pc, how encrypted can it be" 1286218;1443229134;asciilifeform;funnily, i have yet to encounter a ~correctly-written~ winblowz btc trojan 1286219;1443229158;asciilifeform;(i.e. one that would patch the client to immediately emit whole wallet in one fat tx to $addr upon any decryption) 1286220;1443229171;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/entypus/ << i also had one of those large wasps that build their nests out of chjewed sand/clay (the prev ones were "paper wasps", build the nest out of a sort of paper made out of chewed wood) and fill them with spiders they caught and paralyzed, with added egg. 1286221;1443229172;assbot;Entypus on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVoDGy ) 1286222;1443229179;mircea_popescu;but the whole thing was the size of a thumb 1286223;1443229198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that whole wallet tx would fail. 1286224;1443229208;asciilifeform;depends 1286225;1443229231;asciilifeform;but at least it could send the pw+wallet off to sp4mz0rland, vs merely walled.dat 1286226;1443229233;mircea_popescu;(Vespa crabro) 1286227;1443229242;asciilifeform;*wallet 1286228;1443229310;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286204 << trojan in python ?!!!?!! 1286229;1443229310;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 00:55:24; punkman: opensource to share with the neighbors https://github.com/whitepacket/ZIB-Trojan "Replace Bitcoin addresses in clipboard with yours." "Undetectable ad-fraud smart viewer" "automated system for handling [Bitcoin] payments, providing bot-net binaries, and creating bot-net IRC channels." 1286230;1443229339;asciilifeform;i suppose if ms visualbasic can be a favourite among these people, why not python. 1286231;1443229345;asciilifeform;why not distribute a whole os with the thing! 1286232;1443229354;asciilifeform;(oh wait, they do. winblowz) 1286233;1443229481;cazalla;qntra is now a forum http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/09/26/bitpay-layoffs-allegedly-in-the-works/ 1286234;1443229482;assbot;BitPay Layoffs Allegedly in the Works - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVoZwW ) 1286235;1443229602;mircea_popescu;that "oh, they were fired via email ? did they check make sure it's not fake ?" thing still has me lolling. 1286236;1443229608;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286209 << there still ~are~, for the time being, the folks born in the 1930s-40s. 1286237;1443229608;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 00:55:56; mircea_popescu: there isn't a better stock in the us. 1286238;1443229622;asciilifeform;they actually run (what remains of) the living tissue of the place. 1286239;1443229671;*;mircea_popescu is skeptical. and will continue to be so, because time ticks behind him. in a decade i'll pretend that not only am i right now, but was right all along : no better stock in that place. 1286240;1443229684;asciilifeform;l0l this sorta worked in su. 1286241;1443229688;mircea_popescu;aha. 1286242;1443229708;asciilifeform;but it is not entirely a useless observation because it explains why the 'lights stayed on as long as they did' 1286243;1443229761;asciilifeform;now, when these people are gone - THEN yes, zimbabwe. 1286244;1443229762;asciilifeform;full bore. 1286245;1443229765;mircea_popescu;an exercise not unlike explaining why "the green stays left in the mandelbrot set for as long as it does" 1286246;1443229819;mircea_popescu;you might find that most of the windows with lights in them are painted cardboard in the shape of a window with a light in it. 1286247;1443229849;mircea_popescu;the us got a random guy from kenya to pretend like he's a law professor ; anhd some random derp from pakistan to pretend he's a district attorney. 1286248;1443229861;mircea_popescu;who's fooled ? was rice a secretary of state ? was fiorina a ceo ? 1286249;1443229867;mircea_popescu;no lights. 1286250;1443229870;asciilifeform;laugh but this is not entirely fiction. i discovered recently that it is customary where i live for the city to continue to cut the grass in the yards of empty houses 1286251;1443229878;asciilifeform;(to ward off squatters, presumably) 1286252;1443229880;mircea_popescu;aha. 1286253;1443229886;mircea_popescu;well, to maintain the pretense 1286254;1443229891;mircea_popescu;"it's a city! honest!" 1286255;1443229914;asciilifeform;for their part, the squatters are fooled. the buildings, stay empty. 1286256;1443229963;asciilifeform;pretty basic chumpatronics, i think. why spend more effort than is required to fool the mark ? 1286257;1443229981;asciilifeform;most of usa likely ~does~ think fiorina was ceo, or obama - law professor 1286258;1443229998;asciilifeform;or rather, lacks the referents for these words that would let them say 'no' 1286259;1443230025;mircea_popescu;except man is not the measure of all things. 1286260;1443230044;asciilifeform;!s gods of copybook headings 1286261;1443230046;assbot;4 results for 'gods of copybook headings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gods+of+copybook+headings 1286262;1443230049;asciilifeform;them, also, yes. 1286263;1443230090;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223752 1286264;1443230090;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 04:10:54; asciilifeform: 'In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all, 1286265;1443230613;mircea_popescu;(btw, it is also customary for banks to continue servicing abandoned bank accounts. for the same reasons as the grass cuttings - they figure they got a claim to A THING and sooner or later will make good on it. with interest.) 1286266;1443230663;asciilifeform;oh but no, they don't try to maintain the ~inside~ 1286267;1443230685;asciilifeform;it normally does not last very long, and the thing drops to below-value-of-land (buyer must pay for demolition) 1286268;1443230706;asciilifeform;instead, just appearances. 1286269;1443230750;asciilifeform;an empty house, from usg's standpoint, still does 90% of its job - keeping 'property values!111!!111!!1' sky-high. 1286270;1443230761;asciilifeform;by not being sold 'under' price. 1286271;1443230761;mircea_popescu;im sure they're trying to stuff the bill into SOMETHING. an acquisition of some sort, vc capital somewhere, a credit card balance movement to a larger credit card. it hasta. 1286272;1443230826;asciilifeform;commercial buildings, where i live, have been known to rot for years, even a decade, before finally being demolished and replaces with condos that NOBODY BUYS 1286273;1443230867;asciilifeform;but to the folks who ordered this, they still 'work', yes 1286274;1443230874;asciilifeform;nobody needs to live in it, for it to 'work'. 1286275;1443230888;asciilifeform;just keep prices at 400-500K for the remaining chumpers 1286276;1443230902;asciilifeform;it does it just as well by being empty and decaying. 1286277;1443230927;asciilifeform;(so long as this is not immediately obvious to passers-by) 1286278;1443230975;asciilifeform;you can drive around and see this, towers of 'condos' with one or two windows out of every dozen, lit up 1286279;1443230991;asciilifeform;(often these, on close examination, are stairwells, no one lives there) 1286280;1443231006;mircea_popescu;well sure, for as long as a usg-pretense exists to keep bankrolling everyone's pretense, everyone's gonna keep on pretending. 1286281;1443231027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the physical manifestations of this bezzle are surprisingly public and visible 1286282;1443231048;asciilifeform;perhaps these, too, will 'go the way of the snake's legs' eventually 1286283;1443231053;asciilifeform;like the physical fighter jets did 1286284;1443231078;mircea_popescu;afaik they still pretend re the jets. 1286285;1443231179;asciilifeform;a handful of machines after $trillion is not much of a presence 1286286;1443231278;mircea_popescu;the amplitude of pretense is to be measured at the muzzle of the pretender, tho. 1286287;1443231300;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce/ << for the amateur trilema translator in attendance. 1286288;1443231301;assbot;De ce ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iRaAYf ) 1286289;1443231637;mircea_popescu;http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915 from an old article. 1286290;1443231639;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuEQNr ) 1286291;1443231678;mircea_popescu;quote of interest, "The Dust Bowl was no accident of nature. A functioning grassland prairie produces more biomass each year than does even the most technologically advanced wheat field. The problem is, it's mostly a form of grass and grass roots that humans can't eat. So we replace the prairie with our own preferred grass, wheat. Never mind that we feed most of our grain to livestock, and that livestock is perfectly c 1286292;1443231679;mircea_popescu;ontent to eat native grass. And never mind that there likely were more bison produced naturally on the Great Plains before farming than all of beef farming raises in the same area today." 1286293;1443231775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00073976 = 30.4411 BTC [-] {3} 1286294;1443232700;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b32 1286295;1443232935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00074011 = 30.2705 BTC [+] {2} 1286296;1443232995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00073378 = 37.3861 BTC [-] 1286297;1443233727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00073378 = 5.8336 BTC [-] 1286298;1443233938;PeterL;So I have to use Winblows at work. The most annoying thing is the tendency of programs to steal focus at wierd times. Like, I start a program, see it is going to take a minute to load, switch to my other program and sign in, but wait the first stole the focus and now my password is sitting there in plaintext. Bleh. 1286299;1443234154;danielpbarron;i too must use a winbl0ws machine at work, and the password is on a post-it note stuck to the monitor, as is usually the custom with machines of this nature 1286300;1443234219;asciilifeform;when i worked in usg, they had xp boxes, yes. i simply requisitioned 'vmware' and cooked up a gentoo vm. 1286301;1443234221;asciilifeform;worked in that. 1286302;1443234248;asciilifeform;(after a miserable 6 months or so in 'cygwin', where i even built x11 and the whole rest of shebang) 1286303;1443234309;danielpbarron;in my case, the thing is only used for UPS worldship, which apparently can only run on microshit 1286304;1443234312;asciilifeform;it was hilarious, stooges would actually be sent around every now and then to make sure that everything that was connected into the Official net ~was~ a winblowz box! 1286305;1443234337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28952 @ 0.00073378 = 21.2444 BTC [-] 1286306;1443237997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00073543 = 56.0398 BTC [+] {2} 1286307;1443238241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26418 @ 0.00074158 = 19.5911 BTC [+] {3} 1286308;1443239705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00074107 = 10.7455 BTC [-] {3} 1286309;1443241291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6986 @ 0.00073405 = 5.1281 BTC [-] {4} 1286310;1443241657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00072924 = 18.0487 BTC [-] 1286311;1443242084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00072924 = 7.8758 BTC [-] 1286312;1443243060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00072819 = 24.3215 BTC [-] {2} 1286313;1443243121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35286 @ 0.00072785 = 25.6829 BTC [-] {3} 1286314;1443244585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00073187 = 6.5502 BTC [+] 1286315;1443245683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00072658 = 23.2142 BTC [-] {3} 1286316;1443246123;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b3 1286317;1443246476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10606 @ 0.00073104 = 7.7534 BTC [+] {3} 1286318;1443246598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48686 @ 0.0007294 = 35.5116 BTC [-] 1286319;1443246781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7466 @ 0.00074062 = 5.5295 BTC [+] {2} 1286320;1443247086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35304 @ 0.00072649 = 25.648 BTC [-] 1286321;1443248001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00074164 = 15.2036 BTC [+] 1286322;1443248733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00074164 = 9.6413 BTC [+] 1286323;1443249587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14040 @ 0.00074164 = 10.4126 BTC [+] 1286324;1443249694;mircea_popescu;omaigawd ethereum rallies!!11 1286325;1443249953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24786 @ 0.00074164 = 18.3823 BTC [+] {3} 1286326;1443250441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18678 @ 0.00073379 = 13.7057 BTC [-] 1286327;1443250502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00073295 = 13.3397 BTC [-] {3} 1286328;1443251054;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.23456700 BTC on 'No' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b6 1286329;1443251179;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/gerrithall/status/646886897759883264 << mit, ever more titnogogical. 1286330;1443251392;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3mdkn0/urbit_just_released_a_revolutionary_whitepaper/ <<< aaand the inevitable merge :D 1286331;1443251394;assbot;Urbit just released a revolutionary whitepaper for fullstack, decentralized computing : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1jk4S0Z ) 1286332;1443251400;mircea_popescu;o god please let this happen. 1286333;1443251754;ben_vulpes;i learned of the ethereum "yellow paper" the other day 1286334;1443252312;mircea_popescu;this isn't golden shower related is it ? 1286335;1443252454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00074171 = 15.5759 BTC [+] {4} 1286336;1443252457;mircea_popescu;and from the department of disturbing : http://40.media.tumblr.com/2faa83afb2f7f32bbb6e6a738ea42096/tumblr_mry3n2FVUb1rvm78zo1_1280.jpg ; http://36.media.tumblr.com/fb2722e63af7161c7fde34a7694b7f0e/tumblr_mry3n2FVUb1rvm78zo2_1280.jpg 1286337;1443252458;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jk6ub8 ) 1286338;1443252459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jk6tnw ) 1286339;1443253553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45101 @ 0.00073682 = 33.2313 BTC [-] 1286340;1443254223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00074203 = 21.185 BTC [+] 1286341;1443254528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00074203 = 3.7844 BTC [+] 1286342;1443256367;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286333 <<< a yellow paper, for realz? 1286343;1443256367;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 07:15:54; ben_vulpes: i learned of the ethereum "yellow paper" the other day 1286344;1443256419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16942 @ 0.00074203 = 12.5715 BTC [+] 1286345;1443256846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00074203 = 23.4852 BTC [+] 1286346;1443257029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00074203 = 6.6412 BTC [+] 1286347;1443257334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19383 @ 0.00073805 = 14.3056 BTC [-] {2} 1286348;1443257875;shinohai;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-man-disemboweled-girlfriend-sex-cops-article-1.2369154 1286349;1443257876;assbot;Florida man disemboweled girlfriend after sex: cops - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FomFy6 ) 1286350;1443257883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00074279 = 12.516 BTC [+] {3} 1286351;1443258066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29718 @ 0.00074285 = 22.076 BTC [+] 1286352;1443258411;HeySteve;I think you guys will appreciate this: https://coinlife.me/xotika-model-royal-tiffany/ 1286353;1443258413;assbot;Xotika Model Royal Tiffany Discusses the Bitcoin Life > CoinLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1VgPFJH ) 1286354;1443258719;shinohai;HeySteve: nice ... i wonder if she would shit on a picture of gavin for btc? 1286355;1443258909;HeySteve;doubt it but I would! how much are you offering here? 1286356;1443258943;shinohai;xD 1286357;1443258995;shinohai;There are some girls in the dark corners of reddit that will do it I am sure. 1286358;1443258997;HeySteve;atm there is a vile thread on reddit praising Gavin - and I mean vile for reddit 1286359;1443259014;shinohai;bleh 1286360;1443259031;HeySteve;probably, the something awful guys found a couple in brazil I think, to make the infamous 2 girls 1 cup vid 1286361;1443259111;shinohai;Sexy Saffron might be convinced to pee on it. 1286362;1443259285;cazalla;HeySteve, i'm sure i read 2 girls 1 cup is fake 1286363;1443259441;HeySteve;cazalla I actually hope so 1286364;1443259530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00073682 = 19.5994 BTC [-] 1286365;1443259579;HeySteve;there was a linked vid of mike and gavin in a pub answering questions 1286366;1443259599;HeySteve;mike is all baldly asserting bitcoin needs moar authoritarianism 1286367;1443259638;HeySteve;it's made me want to rewatch Shaun of the Dead for some reason, but can't find it in my movies folder 1286368;1443260689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29764 @ 0.00073681 = 21.9304 BTC [-] {2} 1286369;1443260750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12807 @ 0.00073572 = 9.4224 BTC [-] {2} 1286370;1443260853;mircea_popescu;well butthurt is butthurt lol. 1286371;1443260876;mircea_popescu;ima make sure to ask hitler what the red army needs moar of. 1286372;1443262031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00073303 = 9.3095 BTC [-] 1286373;1443264087;shinohai;;;later tell asciilifeform new best=00000000000000000a1f height=327066 1286374;1443264088;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1286375;1443265508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8282 @ 0.00073303 = 6.071 BTC [-] 1286376;1443265996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00073289 = 17.113 BTC [-] {5} 1286377;1443266362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00073098 = 10.1241 BTC [-] {3} 1286378;1443266545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00074211 = 29.8699 BTC [+] {5} 1286379;1443266618;punkman;https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-new-key-model gpg is hard, let's go shopping 1286380;1443266619;assbot;Keybase's New Key Model ... ( http://bit.ly/1YGYQHV ) 1286381;1443266754;punkman;well they got $10mil in June, can't be using old and dusty gpg now, gotta come up with their own stupid shit 1286382;1443267375;HeySteve;punkman, so your privkey is associated with your phone and therefore location, social contacts, message history, etc.? 1286383;1443267490;HeySteve;also: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-25/nsa-director-admits-sharing-encryption-keys-government-leaves-us-vulnerable-bad-guys what do you think about 2nd comment? 1286384;1443267491;assbot;NSA Director Admits that Sharing Encryption Keys With the Government Leaves Us Vulnerable to Bad Guys | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1YGZQfb ) 1286385;1443268509;cazalla;welcome to melbourne http://i.imgur.com/2ZIiPAe.jpg 1286386;1443268510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH0PvR ) 1286387;1443268741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15231 @ 0.00074159 = 11.2952 BTC [-] 1286388;1443268835;punkman;cazalla: are those shipping containers? 1286389;1443268842;punkman;HeySteve: I got not clue 1286390;1443268934;punkman;http://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9352095/netflix-cuba-paquete-internet "The government hasn't tried to stamp out El Paquete, and Dany works to keep it that way. "We don’t put anything in that is anti-revolutionary, subversive, obscene, or pornographic. We want it to stay about entertainment and education,"" 1286391;1443268935;assbot;This is Cuba's Netflix, Hulu, and Spotify – all without the internet - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH1iy9 ) 1286392;1443268985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00074285 = 4.0857 BTC [+] 1286393;1443269133;punkman;"Paquete subscribers pay between $1 and $3 per week" "In addition to the subscription fees, revenue for El Paquete comes from a classifieds section called "Revolico." Sellers pay to list their items, and you can get a premium listing if you pay more. Revolico is the cash cow of El Paquete." 1286394;1443269179;cazalla;punkman, looks it but no, apartments 1286395;1443269656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00074285 = 15.117 BTC [+] 1286396;1443270083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47038 @ 0.00074159 = 34.8829 BTC [-] 1286397;1443270632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00074285 = 27.5597 BTC [+] 1286398;1443271392;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2015/sep/25/white-house-state-dinner-xi-jinping-in-pictures 1286399;1443271393;assbot;The Obamas welcome Xi Jinping and his wife for a state dinner – in pictures | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTCXM0 ) 1286400;1443271403;punkman;"along with high-profile guests such as Apple CEO Tim Cook, Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg, and billionaire Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban" 1286401;1443271791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00074027 = 35.607 BTC [-] {3} 1286402;1443272014;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3mftfu/bitpay_failed_your_likely_getting_it_wrong/ 1286403;1443272015;assbot;Bitpay failed? - Your likely getting it wrong! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTDw8O ) 1286404;1443272080;fluffypony;"your" 1286405;1443272081;*;fluffypony twitches 1286406;1443272157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44250 @ 0.00073814 = 32.6627 BTC [-] {3} 1286407;1443272826;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r65WwO1-uA 1286408;1443272827;assbot;So You Want To Murder a Software Patent Jason Scott - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTEd1E ) 1286409;1443272882;*;shinohai pets fluffypony good morning 1286410;1443272897;fluffypony;afternoon already here, shinohai :) 1286411;1443272921;shinohai;oh i din know tour location 1286412;1443272929;shinohai;*your 1286413;1443273044;fluffypony;shinohai: South Africa 1286414;1443273056;fluffypony;on the Garden Route 1286415;1443273255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1803 @ 0.00073664 = 1.3282 BTC [-] 1286416;1443273804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27055 @ 0.00073301 = 19.8316 BTC [-] {3} 1286417;1443274536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00074231 = 27.7995 BTC [+] {3} 1286418;1443274658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19892 @ 0.00074286 = 14.777 BTC [+] {2} 1286419;1443275451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00074293 = 26.0768 BTC [+] 1286420;1443277941;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 9.99990000 BTC on 'No' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b9 1286421;1443278928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18372 @ 0.0007411 = 13.6155 BTC [-] 1286422;1443278989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60178 @ 0.00074301 = 44.7129 BTC [+] {3} 1286423;1443279111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00073147 = 14.1174 BTC [-] {3} 1286424;1443279782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00073092 = 13.8509 BTC [-] 1286425;1443280141;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] O Brother Where Art Thou? - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/26/o-brother-where-art-thou/ 1286426;1443281041;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/09/gchq-illegal-spying-us.htm << mega-l0l 1286427;1443281043;assbot;GCHQ Illegal Spying in US ... ( http://bit.ly/1PFA8BM ) 1286428;1443281071;asciilifeform;'the address for Cryptome is listed to be the location of a fiber optic cable junction in Sterling, VA (next to an Amusement Machine company)... which is quite some distance away from your location in NYC, and a considerable distance from your ISP who hosts your file, and it is located away from any signal switching systems use in the area, but it is virtually next door to fiber that goes to a large NSA listening post nearby. 1286429;1443281071;asciilifeform;The reason it is notable, is that someone at or near the location in Sterling, VA is performing a MITM attack on Cryptome visitors, and this image out of the slidedeck with the two GPS coordinates is the U.S. Government performing a MITM attack against Cryptome and sharing the collected intelligence with the Brits, or the U.S. Government giving the British government backdoor access into the U.S. (illegal) collection systems.' 1286430;1443281413;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286336 << i am thoroughly mystified as to what is happening in this photo 1286431;1443281413;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 07:27:37; mircea_popescu: and from the department of disturbing : http://40.media.tumblr.com/2faa83afb2f7f32bbb6e6a738ea42096/tumblr_mry3n2FVUb1rvm78zo1_1280.jpg ; http://36.media.tumblr.com/fb2722e63af7161c7fde34a7694b7f0e/tumblr_mry3n2FVUb1rvm78zo2_1280.jpg 1286432;1443281718;jurov;looks like she has fleshlight in the vag 1286433;1443282801;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286040 << alf has it. it's one of these tongue-in-cheek artsy things, not reals ! 1286434;1443282801;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 00:03:13; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285778 << if we're doing crackpot evil inventions, i much prefer the 'drm chair' 1286435;1443282862;danielpbarron;in new york city, there are spikes on any public facing surface that might have otherwise been a suitable place to sit 1286436;1443282920;pete_dushenski;'start with one spike' (tm) 1286437;1443282927;danielpbarron;i only really noticed this when I foolishly tried to spend the night there without having a place to stay 1286438;1443282965;danielpbarron;and even if you can find a place to sit, eventually police start to roll by at increasingly frequent intervals 1286439;1443282977;jurov;there surely is a patent about spikes retracting on payment 1286440;1443282977;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285949 << link to 'saudi slave collar' ? if it's funnier than this google/mcd's patent, i HAVE to see it 1286441;1443282977;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 23:31:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285945 << this ~almost~ beats the saudi slave collar patent for sheer lulz 1286442;1443283031;pete_dushenski;i laughed for *minutes* at this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285963. so it naturally made it in to latest article :D 1286443;1443283031;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 23:38:42; trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285945 << http://www.google.com/patents/US8246454 1286444;1443283067;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron there are more police than cockroaches in nyc, though i suppose it can be tough to tell one from the other 1286445;1443283113;pete_dushenski;jurov spikes retracting on pavement for payment ? 1286446;1443283119;jurov;yes 1286447;1443283141;jurov;onve VCs get desperate enough 1286448;1443283144;jurov;*once 1286449;1443283150;pete_dushenski;nfc payments too 1286450;1443283162;pete_dushenski;and blockchain 1286451;1443283163;danielpbarron;apparently the trick to staving off an interrogation is pretending to use a cell phone, although this was years ago -- these days even bums have cell phones 1286452;1443283183;jurov;use a dog, no? 1286453;1443283250;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron if you're pretending to actually have a conversation, i've found that this trick *still* works. at least at airport in '5min' waiting zone. can stay there 15min+ if on phone lol 1286454;1443283275;danielpbarron;they think you are calling for a ride or something 1286455;1443283303;pete_dushenski;then again, maybe it's just my very professional looking motorola razr and dun-fuck-wit-me-mercedes 1286456;1443283317;jurov;i'd prolly acquire schizophrenia from faking conversation for hours 1286457;1443283334;pete_dushenski;or you'd just up your improv skills 1286458;1443283336;danielpbarron;only need to fake for as long as cop rolls by 1286459;1443283488;pete_dushenski;;;later tell heysteve i'll pay you 0.1 btc for a picture of a picture of gavin's head with your finest backdoor damage on it. 1286460;1443283489;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1286461;1443283869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23109 @ 0.00073722 = 17.0364 BTC [+] 1286462;1443283925;pete_dushenski;"An investigation is underway as to whether US military personnel tried to get the government to foot the bill for a total of $96,576 (£63,268) spent on strippers in Las Vegas. The Pentagon's Inspector General is also looking into claims the personnel tried to expense $952,258 (£623,838) spent in casinos." 1286463;1443284150;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ZOqi0hPmA 1286464;1443284151;assbot;Rafi and Dirty Randy "investigate" strip club - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzTKqD ) 1286465;1443284182;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286440 >>> http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/98386 1286466;1443284182;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 15:56:17; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285949 << link to 'saudi slave collar' ? if it's funnier than this google/mcd's patent, i HAVE to see it 1286467;1443284184;assbot;‘Killer Chip’ tracks humans, releases poison ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzTLLf ) 1286468;1443284266;pete_dushenski;"The device would emit encrypted radio waves that would be picked up by satellites and “used to track fugitives from justice, terrorists, illegal immigrants, criminals, political opponents, defectors, domestic help, and Saudi Arabians who don’t return home from pilgrimages,”" << what could possibly go wrong ? 1286469;1443284297;pete_dushenski;not like anyone is going to hack your jeep and drive it off the road just because you thought 'wifi in my car ?! oh cool !' 1286470;1443284344;danielpbarron;what, it doesn't have 2-factor exectution? 1286471;1443284485;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: for some reason, hollywood really likes the idea of the 'bomb collar.' i've personally seen at least four separate films that had these. 1286472;1443284490;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron o what, like blockchain.info ? who still lost 5k btc ? 1286473;1443284493;asciilifeform;most recently, i think, 'cloud atlas' 1286474;1443284527;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform missed that flick but yes, i recall seeing it elsewhere in hollywood 1286475;1443284536;pete_dushenski;a movie with kurt russell too, iirc 1286476;1443284601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9394 @ 0.00074301 = 6.9798 BTC [+] {2} 1286477;1443284608;danielpbarron;swordfish, one of "the transporter" sequels 1286478;1443284619;pete_dushenski;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosiveLeash 1286479;1443284621;assbot;Explosive Leash - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUprY ) 1286480;1443284657;pete_dushenski;^ aha. 'invader zim' too. one for thestringpuller 1286481;1443284662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22206 @ 0.00073747 = 16.3763 BTC [-] {2} 1286482;1443284744;pete_dushenski;was i thinking of 'stargate' ? i remember there being large collars on the egyptianesque soldiers, but can't recall if they exploded now 1286483;1443284954;pete_dushenski;http://sfa.admin.srv.e-makers.fr/images/uploads/objectitemPicture/715/picture/763b_845x485p.jpg << more of a flat collar/shoulder pad/breastplate than explosive collar 1286484;1443284955;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUOL7 ) 1286485;1443284968;pete_dushenski;and wow that movie's 21 years old now eh 1286486;1443284979;pete_dushenski;wonder how it's stood the test of time 1286487;1443285007;pete_dushenski;;;nethash 1286488;1443285008;gribble;468612673.307 1286489;1443285211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074307 = 13.7468 BTC [+] 1286490;1443285366;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laerFJMR1m4 << watching this dubbed version would be a mistake. 1286491;1443285367;assbot;Stargate Pelicula Completa En Español - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QFbfpW ) 1286492;1443285464;pete_dushenski;https://blog.malwarebytes.org/malvertising-2/2015/09/ssl-malvertising-campaign-targets-top-adult-sites/ 1286493;1443285465;assbot;SSL Malvertising Campaign Targets Top Adult Sites | Malwarebytes Unpacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1QFbtgN ) 1286494;1443285624;pete_dushenski;'angler exploit' also found on realtor.com 1286495;1443286036;pete_dushenski;"Royal Tiffany is 26. Born in Naples, she currently lives in Rome. She studied business and marketing, works as a secretary" << this is where your 'marketing', 'social sciences' and 'environmental sciences' degrees are going to land you, girls. rt is just blazing the trail for yous. 1286496;1443286157;pete_dushenski;;;later tell naphex why the google captcha ?! i dun wanna pick the pictures that look like salads just to look at the moving pictures of girls making salads !! 1286497;1443286157;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1286498;1443286170;pete_dushenski;^on xotika 1286499;1443286245;hdbuck;bug in the matrix http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-26/fed-refuses-comment-yellens-health 1286500;1443286245;assbot;Fed Refuses To Comment On Yellen's Health | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzWqV2 ) 1286501;1443287367;pete_dushenski;what are they gonna seriously say ? yellen is fat and osteoarthritic ? 1286502;1443287497;pete_dushenski;and osteoporotic ? 1286503;1443288444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00074307 = 4.9786 BTC [+] 1286504;1443288505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074307 = 19.3198 BTC [+] 1286505;1443289033;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b12 1286506;1443289359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7497 @ 0.00074307 = 5.5708 BTC [+] 1286507;1443291982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00074307 = 6.2418 BTC [+] 1286508;1443294056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29954 @ 0.00074307 = 22.2579 BTC [+] 1286509;1443295215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00073995 = 20.2746 BTC [-] 1286510;1443296374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45537 @ 0.00073767 = 33.5913 BTC [-] {3} 1286511;1443296801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00073679 = 10.3151 BTC [-] {3} 1286512;1443297940;cazalla;hdbuck, did ya see the video? full blown aids with a stroke to boot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ2UAYgIXG8 1286513;1443297941;assbot;Yellen Speech - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YHBvWw ) 1286514;1443299593;jurov;http://wondermark.com/c1132/ kek 1286515;1443299594;assbot;Wondermark » Archive » #1132; My Everything Collection ... ( http://bit.ly/1YHDLNz ) 1286516;1443300117;deedbot-;[Qntra] Pumpkin Extortion Attempt Squashed - http://qntra.net/2015/09/pumpkin-extortion-attempt-squashed/ 1286517;1443301895;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1DSXNDR.txt 1286518;1443301896;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LU65Tr ) 1286519;1443301896;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1286520;1443302169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00074311 = 34.0344 BTC [+] {4} 1286521;1443302572;*;hanbot lights a match 1286522;1443302596;hanbot;i seek an honest yiddish proficient to tell me if there's seriously a word that'd sanely translate to "write-up" in english 1286523;1443302645;hanbot;i suspect i'm reading shit translations of isaac bashevis singer 1286524;1443302718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18834 @ 0.00073559 = 13.8541 BTC [-] 1286525;1443303647;fluffypony;I don't know if we have much in the way of Juice in here 1286526;1443303877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00074319 = 20.6978 BTC [+] 1286527;1443304291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286384 << "but fuck you, the alternative is our irrelevancy and we oooobviously can't have that" amirite ? 1286528;1443304291;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 11:38:11; assbot: NSA Director Admits that Sharing Encryption Keys With the Government Leaves Us Vulnerable to Bad Guys | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1YGZQfb ) 1286529;1443304362;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286390 << dany is part of the problem, not part of the solution. 1286530;1443304362;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 12:02:14; punkman: http://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9352095/netflix-cuba-paquete-internet "The government hasn't tried to stamp out El Paquete, and Dany works to keep it that way. "We don’t put anything in that is anti-revolutionary, subversive, obscene, or pornographic. We want it to stay about entertainment and education,"" 1286531;1443304364;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1286532;1443304365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00073387 = 39.1153 BTC [-] {3} 1286533;1443304428;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286400 << and then when putin goes places with the palace "billionaires" aka oligarchs the propaganda machine goes nuts. 1286534;1443304428;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 12:43:23; punkman: "along with high-profile guests such as Apple CEO Tim Cook, Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg, and billionaire Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban" 1286535;1443304446;mircea_popescu;was it so hard to say "the little black prince and his oligarchs met the people's representative Xi" ? 1286536;1443304462;mircea_popescu;"not hard at all, mp. just impossible." 1286537;1443304736;mircea_popescu;https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/dc05b51856df81b84b39d9c8ef3801212ae0834f/106_0_1754_2630/master/1754.jpg?w=700&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=a4ab5de0d8796337e14752c6ca8873ea <<< ahaa dude, srsly ? 1286538;1443304737;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le4Bcb ) 1286539;1443305097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36069 @ 0.00073274 = 26.4292 BTC [-] {2} 1286540;1443305138;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i am thoroughly mystified as to what is happening in this photo << the woman is being denied sensation and, inasmuch as identity is a formal matter, identity. 1286541;1443305174;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286435 << in romania they were starting with it for pigeons. 1286542;1443305174;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 15:54:22; danielpbarron: in new york city, there are spikes on any public facing surface that might have otherwise been a suitable place to sit 1286543;1443305194;mircea_popescu;every church refinishing job includes tons of little spikes. 1286544;1443305234;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286438 << dja mean nyc as in manhattan or nyc as in hells kitchen ? makes a diff. 1286545;1443305234;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 15:56:05; danielpbarron: and even if you can find a place to sit, eventually police start to roll by at increasingly frequent intervals 1286546;1443305279;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286445 << this exists, in parking lots. largish spikes, but still. 1286547;1443305279;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 15:58:33; pete_dushenski: jurov spikes retracting on pavement for payment ? 1286548;1443305370;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/NjhpdZJ.jpg 1286549;1443305371;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le5mCf ) 1286550;1443305460;mircea_popescu;"fugitives from justice, terrorists, illegal immigrants, criminals, political opponents, defectors, domestic help, and Saudi Arabians who dont return home from pilgrimages (aka collared women)" 1286551;1443305467;mircea_popescu;gotta love the list making abilities. 1286552;1443305490;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is the sort of inept wanna-be me idiot who keeps slaves that'd rather run away. 1286553;1443305524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9431 @ 0.00073237 = 6.907 BTC [-] 1286554;1443305613;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286522 << no, there isn't. 1286555;1443305613;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 21:23:16; hanbot: i seek an honest yiddish proficient to tell me if there's seriously a word that'd sanely translate to "write-up" in english 1286556;1443305758;mircea_popescu;for that matter, pretty sure there isn't one in hebrew, either. 1286557;1443306290;danielpbarron;dja mean nyc as in manhattan << ya 1286558;1443306835;mircea_popescu;o hey daniel meet me in game for the stuffs. 1286559;1443306873;danielpbarron;k 1286560;1443306884;mircea_popescu;1060k bms + 2190k ibs = 3250. 1286561;1443306948;danielpbarron;ya 1286562;1443307239;mike_c;c'mon bitbet mods, jeb deserves his due. 1286563;1443307275;mircea_popescu;btw, for the idis curious : http://www.pass.to/glossary/gloz3.htm#letp 1286564;1443307276;assbot;Yiddishkeit (page four) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iC9vD1 ) 1286565;1443307282;mircea_popescu;fun and practical primer. 1286566;1443307301;mircea_popescu;and none of that faux hebrew-like notation, either. 1286567;1443307314;mircea_popescu;idis is spelt in latin characters. 1286568;1443307347;mircea_popescu;heck, half of it is spelled in romanian. 1286569;1443308025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20185 @ 0.00074164 = 14.97 BTC [+] 1286570;1443310587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00074075 = 31.556 BTC [-] {3} 1286571;1443311380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6284 @ 0.00074339 = 4.6715 BTC [+] {3} 1286572;1443311502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00073562 = 2.685 BTC [-] 1286573;1443312905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3382 @ 0.00073562 = 2.4879 BTC [-] 1286574;1443312966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28918 @ 0.000732 = 21.168 BTC [-] {3} 1286575;1443313209;chatquack;fancy 1286576;1443313828;mircea_popescu;!gettrust chatquack 1286577;1443313831;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user chatquack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=chatquack | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/chatquack/ 1286578;1443315101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0007372 = 4.7918 BTC [+] 1286579;1443316992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76080 @ 0.00073722 = 56.0877 BTC [+] {3} 1286580;1443317846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69750 @ 0.00073192 = 51.0514 BTC [-] 1286581;1443318639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00073919 = 25.1325 BTC [+] 1286582;1443321445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104300 @ 0.00073159 = 76.3048 BTC [-] {5} 1286583;1443323031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127150 @ 0.00073594 = 93.5748 BTC [+] 1286584;1443323276;mircea_popescu;!up wbdynamics 1286585;1443323641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00074037 = 32.5763 BTC [+] {3} 1286586;1443323743;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-09-2015#1269708 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLsvFjuQFAk 1286587;1443323743;assbot;Logged on 10-09-2015 22:32:46; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel plz for to record some interactions with this magical realtime 3d system you've banged together 1286588;1443323744;assbot;Masamune 3d. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAvapA ) 1286589;1443323767;gabriel_laddel;Terrible quality, but I can't be arsed to fix for something so minor. 1286590;1443323909;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: to be clear - I've "banged together" nothing, unless you want to count a patch allowing one to use truetype fonts. The majority of my work is assembling obtuse packages for noobz with justification as to *why* certain decision were made. 1286591;1443324577;gabriel_laddel;Google drive link to quality video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAd21xY21pczRDTGs/view?usp=sharing 1286592;1443324578;assbot;3d-test.ogv - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAvRPC ) 1286593;1443324739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102620 @ 0.00073446 = 75.3703 BTC [-] {4} 1286594;1443324800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29830 @ 0.00072996 = 21.7747 BTC [-] 1286595;1443325837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54224 @ 0.00072935 = 39.5483 BTC [-] {3} 1286596;1443325898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34226 @ 0.00072665 = 24.8703 BTC [-] {3} 1286597;1443327118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59773 @ 0.00072578 = 43.382 BTC [-] {4} 1286598;1443327179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30127 @ 0.00072485 = 21.8376 BTC [-] 1286599;1443328929;ben_vulpes;AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1286600;1443328939;ben_vulpes;i pooped 1286601;1443328942;ben_vulpes;i pooped u guise 1286602;1443329314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18184 @ 0.00073544 = 13.3732 BTC [+] 1286603;1443330826;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1286604;1443330933;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1286605;1443330937;gribble;Current Blocks: 376332 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1286606;1443331388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115279 @ 0.00072335 = 83.3871 BTC [-] {5} 1286607;1443331510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.00072306 = 53.5064 BTC [-] {4} 1286608;1443331627;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzVgsR2yEc 1286609;1443331628;assbot;' O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU Constant Sorrow " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YI3EwQ ) 1286610;1443331646;mircea_popescu;and in the random soup of derp news, 1286611;1443331647;mircea_popescu;"With conservatism Bitcoin would never existed at all. If all humans would be conservative we would still be living in caves. Conservatism is a decease." 1286612;1443331672;mircea_popescu;check it out, all things are made by libertards for libertards now, because humanism and progressivism = humanism and universalism. 1286613;1443331697;mircea_popescu;let alone that bitcoin is and was from the onset conservativism in a pill and rejection of two centuries of "progress" in the most absolute form imaginable. 1286614;1443331708;mircea_popescu;it's a decease!!1 1286615;1443331729;pete_dushenski;may it rest in peese 1286616;1443331767;mircea_popescu;pasiley lol 1286617;1443331808;pete_dushenski;turns out i didn't know ALL the vocab in 'o brother where art thou'... miscegenated ! (mixed race relations) 1286618;1443331841;pete_dushenski;+ sweet sage, rosemary and thyme 1286619;1443331872;pete_dushenski;oh, that's parsley... 1286620;1443331897;pete_dushenski;eh, what do simon & garfunkel know anyways 1286621;1443331900;mircea_popescu;;;google paisley 1286622;1443331901;gribble;Paisley (design) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Paisley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Paisley - Paisley Scotland: 1286623;1443331934;*;pete_dushenski has socks with paisley patterns 1286624;1443331937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27283 @ 0.00073544 = 20.065 BTC [+] 1286625;1443331954;mircea_popescu;!s miscegenation 1286626;1443331955;assbot;1 results for 'miscegenation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=miscegenation 1286627;1443331957;mircea_popescu;heh. 1286628;1443331967;mircea_popescu;turns out you didn't know all the vocabulary in b-a logs, either >D 1286629;1443332033;pete_dushenski;this, i readily accept ! 1286630;1443332207;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qw6Hon013E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXpRxzmawjw 1286631;1443332208;assbot;Down In The River To Pray.wmv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqgGNo ) 1286632;1443332209;assbot;,,O Brother,Where Art Thou?'' Three Sirens-,,Go to Sleep Little Baby!'' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqgJsA ) 1286633;1443332295;pete_dushenski;http://www.eros.com/new_york/new_york/files/540567.htm << Two hour outcall, $1600. Dinner date (4 hours), $2200. Overnight (10-12 hours), $3400. 'bitcoin friendly' !! 1286634;1443332295;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqgOML ) 1286635;1443332341;pete_dushenski;fuck me is that a mint to pay for a dinner with a gal. why not use one of those 'sugar daddy' websites ? 1286636;1443332344;mircea_popescu;not unless she's one of stoya, kim, michelle. 1286637;1443332379;pete_dushenski;stoya (pornstar), kim (kardashian?), michelle (obama?) 1286638;1443332387;mircea_popescu;da fuck, what happened to fiddy bucks. prostitution paying more than qualified workmanship ? in what alt-universe. 1286639;1443332393;mircea_popescu;take 17.50 an hour and be happy. 1286640;1443332401;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski aha. 1286641;1443332460;pete_dushenski;i was actually looking up nannies/babysitters earlier and was expecting them all to be $25/hr or some shit. pleasantly surprised to find several ads for $10/hr cash 1286642;1443332505;pete_dushenski;so sure, 75% more than that sounds about right for a 'happy ending' 1286643;1443333093;pete_dushenski;http://fullreads.com/literature/the-spinoza-of-market-street/ << read this after hanbot brought up isaac bashevis singer. quick, sharp, heartful read. recommended. 1286644;1443333095;assbot;Read The Spinoza of Market Street by Isaac Bashevis Singer | 25,629 Free Classic Stories and Poems | FullReads ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wqhsdf ) 1286645;1443334435;ben_vulpes;i wonder what AM's bots raked in on an hourly basis. 1286646;1443334916;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes bots ? 1286647;1443335151;pete_dushenski;"Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei "hooray" - Said to a child who complains he/she has nothing to do (slap your backside and yell "hooray")" 1286648;1443336243;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski ashley madison ran bots to "drive engagement". 1286649;1443336244;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1286650;1443336817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26882 @ 0.00073276 = 19.6981 BTC [-] 1286651;1443337916;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ~0 i betcha. 1286652;1443337967;mircea_popescu;they were probably the magnum opus of some ambitious intern wanting to be vp / dubious hire a la charles ryan dude implementing ai in java 1286653;1443337976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201400 @ 0.00073794 = 148.6211 BTC [+] {6} 1286654;1443337981;mircea_popescu;never managed to do anything, guy was slowly pushed into more and more customer support/tech support/bs tasks 1286655;1443337989;mircea_popescu;and they just... sat there forever. IP1!11! 1286656;1443339379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00074355 = 45.2822 BTC [+] 1286657;1443340782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00073415 = 79.8755 BTC [-] {3} 1286658;1443341209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00074355 = 38.6646 BTC [+] {2} 1286659;1443341453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99686 @ 0.00074386 = 74.1524 BTC [+] {5} 1286660;1443342490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30980 @ 0.00074396 = 23.0479 BTC [+] 1286661;1443342788;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b3 1286662;1443342917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00074396 = 42.4801 BTC [+] 1286663;1443343710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00072906 = 59.6736 BTC [-] {5} 1286664;1443344991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41887 @ 0.00073177 = 30.6516 BTC [+] 1286665;1443345357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127250 @ 0.00072652 = 92.4497 BTC [-] {4} 1286666;1443346089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169170 @ 0.00072143 = 122.0443 BTC [-] {6} 1286667;1443347360;mircea_popescu;a stork's flying around holding an old man in its beak 1286668;1443347377;mircea_popescu;eventually the old man "you can admit we're lost you know." 1286669;1443347492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00072082 = 25.517 BTC [-] {3} 1286670;1443348689;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.44440000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b14 1286671;1443348895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.0007225 = 10.4763 BTC [+] 1286672;1443348925;HeySteve;heh that's pretty good 1286673;1443349078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48433 @ 0.0007225 = 34.9928 BTC [+] 1286674;1443349446;mircea_popescu;what is ? 1286675;1443349505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43631 @ 0.0007225 = 31.5234 BTC [+] 1286676;1443349566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00072338 = 78.2697 BTC [+] 1286677;1443349871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00072338 = 17.2888 BTC [+] 1286678;1443352860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99200 @ 0.00073312 = 72.7255 BTC [+] {3} 1286679;1443353314;HeySteve;the stork joke 1286680;1443353326;HeySteve;was doing a bit of gardening there, it's a lazy sunday for me 1286681;1443353336;mircea_popescu;oh lol 1286682;1443353340;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, do you think Ashley Madison was an inside job? 1286683;1443353353;mircea_popescu;mebbe 1286684;1443353364;HeySteve;I was thinking about the timeline, not sure I have it right 1286685;1443353394;HeySteve;but they hinted they had some VIPs, released some info to show they're serious... maybe some names were held back? the ones who paid? 1286686;1443353417;mircea_popescu;i really haven't been following it too close. 1286687;1443353490;HeySteve;ok me neither really, I will see if there is some evidence 1286688;1443353535;HeySteve;http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/27/ashley-madison-timeline-events/ 1286689;1443353536;assbot;Security of Ashley Madison breached sooner than you think ... ( http://bit.ly/1FB46GM ) 1286690;1443355616;VariaVarietatis;relax MiningBuddy 1286691;1443355788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62600 @ 0.00073488 = 46.0035 BTC [+] {3} 1286692;1443356215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35434 @ 0.00073498 = 26.0433 BTC [+] 1286693;1443356474;mircea_popescu;dude... 1286694;1443356532;VariaVarietatis;I know.. 1286695;1443356535;VariaVarietatis;whats the issue 1286696;1443356671;VariaVarietatis;!gettrust mircea_popescu 1286697;1443356671;assbot;Trust relationship from user VariaVarietatis to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=VariaVarietatis&to=mircea_popescu | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/ 1286698;1443356703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112350 @ 0.00073498 = 82.575 BTC [+] 1286699;1443358655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73729 @ 0.00074223 = 54.7239 BTC [+] 1286700;1443359631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119312 @ 0.00073512 = 87.7086 BTC [-] {4} 1286701;1443360180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00072352 = 37.9848 BTC [-] {2} 1286702;1443360302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151600 @ 0.00072184 = 109.4309 BTC [-] {6} 1286703;1443360668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00072457 = 5.6154 BTC [+] 1286704;1443361400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00071916 = 63.5737 BTC [-] {6} 1286705;1443362010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27775 @ 0.00071899 = 19.9699 BTC [-] 1286706;1443363596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81414 @ 0.00071888 = 58.5269 BTC [-] {3} 1286707;1443366168;mircea_popescu;yo mike_c got some time to do some crafting for me ? 1286708;1443366921;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes oh ahah. here i was thinking 'asicminer'. i gotta get with teh times ! 1286709;1443366951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00071978 = 31.6343 BTC [+] 1286710;1443367028;pete_dushenski;in any event, as i linked in http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/09/botlove-botlulz-and-playing-wannabes-like-a-flute/ >> http://gizmodo.com/one-chart-that-shows-how-much-money-ashley-madison-made-1727821132 : "When the engagers were turned off in early 2011, the company’s income took a nosedive. So did their conversion rate. When they were turned on again 14 months later, revenues and conversions skyrocketed. It 1286711;1443367030;assbot;Botlove, botlulz, and playing wannabes like a flute. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OB1StV ) 1286712;1443367031;assbot;One Chart That Shows How Much Money Ashley Madison Made Using Bots ... ( http://bit.ly/1OB1Su3 ) 1286713;1443367031;pete_dushenski; appears that revenues went from roughly $60,000 per month, to $110, 500." 1286714;1443367037;pete_dushenski;^ older data, only one geographic region, but looks like the bots were yielding ~$70/hr. 1286715;1443367314;pete_dushenski;http://www.wsj.com/video/woman-hears-over-100-cat-calls-walking-through-nyc/5ABE5229-EE45-4C41-AD68-710E8A2EB6F9.html << city of 10 mn ppl, call it 5 mn men, and omgerd one of them talks to you EVERY SIX MINUTES ON AVERAGE. 1286716;1443367315;assbot;Woman Hears Over 100 Cat Calls Walking Through NYC ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwhvI ) 1286717;1443367344;pete_dushenski;yes, awareness does need to be raised here. why are young men so shy ?! 1286718;1443367355;mircea_popescu;the problem with the wsj nonsense is that it makes me discount the gizmodo nonsense in the same breath. 1286719;1443367382;pete_dushenski;and why is it that it's mostly black dudes chatting up pretty white girl ? 1286720;1443367505;mircea_popescu;something something cock something something sense of humour something respect etc 1286721;1443367509;shinohai;!s http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/us-mideast-crisis-putin-usa-idUSKCN0RR0H820150927 1286722;1443367511;assbot;U.S. support for Syria rebels illegal: Putin| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vjwxeg ) 1286723;1443367512;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/us-mideast-crisis-putin-usa-idUSKCN0RR0H820150927' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2F2015%2F09%2F27%2Fus-mideast-crisis-putin-usa-idUSKCN0RR0H820150927 1286724;1443367834;VariaVarietatis;shinohai: going on for YEARS see the attempt to buy off putin with 15b in arms http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABRE9760OQ20130807 pepe writes about it http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-130813.html all about gas 1286725;1443367836;assbot;Exclusive: Saudi offers Russia deal to scale back Assad support - sources| Top News| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwY8l ) 1286726;1443367837;assbot;Asia Times Online :: Bandar Bush, 'liberator' of Syria ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwY8n ) 1286727;1443367852;pete_dushenski;http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-facelift-for-shakespeare-1443194924?mod=trending_now_2 << goddamit cascadians ! always think they know better eh. 1286728;1443367853;assbot;A Facelift for Shakespeare - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwZJB ) 1286729;1443368329;pete_dushenski;"But are we satisfied with Shakespeare’s being genuinely meaningful only to an elite few unless edited to death or carefully excerpted, with most of the rest of us genuflecting in the name of “culture” and keeping our confusion to ourselves?" << yes! 1286730;1443368874;mircea_popescu;aha. 1286731;1443368881;mircea_popescu;"most of us" can go moo. 1286732;1443368902;mircea_popescu;shinohai well it is definitely illegal. 1286733;1443369087;mircea_popescu;not THAT different from russia deciding to support sinaloa against mexican govt or some equally retarded shit. 1286734;1443369736;shinohai;It worked for Afghanistan right? 1286735;1443369748;shinohai;Arming the taliban was cool 1286736;1443370484;punkman;http://www.myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022&start=120#p144158 "He would kidnap Ross Ulbrichts sister, or mother, or ideally both. Get a video capable phone in front of Ross Ulbricht, and he'd give up that fucking pass phrase, and Diamond would have them tortured until he did. I had his bonafides by now, and knew him well enough to know he was serious about this." 1286737;1443370486;assbot;myPlanetGanja.com • View topic - Joined 6 years, 3 months, 4 weeks, 1 day, and 8 hours ago. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GawNVZ ) 1286738;1443370595;punkman;" If I was to keep him from kidnapping those two women, which he'd do if I didn't turn myself over to him, I was going to have to turn myself over to the DOJ folks, so they could take the appropriate action to protect those people, and maybe even figure out just who this sick fuck was, and stop him." << cool story bro 1286739;1443370949;HeySteve;thanks pete_dushenski, good info 1286740;1443370981;HeySteve;given the bot thing, that the site was a honeypot from the getgo seems less far-fetched 1286741;1443371099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00071883 = 29.0048 BTC [-] 1286742;1443371356;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2015#1286059 << yes, electric weed whacker has battery which takes ~two weeks to charge and works for about 10 minutes. Absolute trash 1286743;1443371356;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 00:10:02; asciilifeform: perhaps BingoBoingo has encountered such items, in his work. 1286744;1443371587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00071978 = 21.0536 BTC [+] 1286745;1443371709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58008 @ 0.00071978 = 41.753 BTC [+] 1286746;1443372319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00072498 = 29.5067 BTC [+] {3} 1286747;1443372441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2225 @ 0.00071882 = 1.5994 BTC [-] {2} 1286748;1443372502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168425 @ 0.00071831 = 120.9814 BTC [-] {4} 1286749;1443374530;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/25/experience-i-mine-for-denim 1286750;1443374531;assbot;Experience: I mine for 100-year-old jeans | Life and style | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1jnJZSt ) 1286751;1443374820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10867 @ 0.00072022 = 7.8266 BTC [+] 1286752;1443374881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204500 @ 0.00072334 = 147.923 BTC [+] {4} 1286753;1443376485;Naphex;pete_dushenski: the annoying captchas are there too get rid of bots; since xotika is mostly all backend the site is just a thin client to the backend 1286754;1443376508;Naphex;without captcha it just opens up with all sorts of csrf/dos attacks 1286755;1443377382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00072175 = 42.4389 BTC [-] 1286756;1443377443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00071783 = 20.6017 BTC [-] 1286757;1443378114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87100 @ 0.00072016 = 62.7259 BTC [+] {2} 1286758;1443378663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161948 @ 0.00072029 = 116.6495 BTC [+] {5} 1286759;1443379830;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144337346215265&w=2 1286760;1443379832;assbot;'Re: FreeBSD or OpenBSD for my (server/router) purposes? (Total n00b)' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVsuEr ) 1286761;1443380188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139500 @ 0.00071859 = 100.2433 BTC [-] {6} 1286762;1443382140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118800 @ 0.00071665 = 85.138 BTC [-] {5} 1286763;1443382255;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/penitence/ 1286764;1443382256;assbot;Penitence ... ( http://bit.ly/1MyLbw5 ) 1286765;1443382567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70873 @ 0.0007166 = 50.7876 BTC [-] 1286766;1443382628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26927 @ 0.00071659 = 19.2956 BTC [-] {2} 1286767;1443383055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68058 @ 0.00071649 = 48.7629 BTC [-] {3} 1286768;1443383421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177000 @ 0.00071526 = 126.601 BTC [-] {3} 1286769;1443385617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181600 @ 0.00071572 = 129.9748 BTC [+] {2} 1286770;1443385861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1406 @ 0.00071607 = 1.0068 BTC [+] 1286771;1443385922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135113 @ 0.00072327 = 97.7232 BTC [+] {4} 1286772;1443389521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84147 @ 0.00072542 = 61.0419 BTC [+] {3} 1286773;1443390070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53353 @ 0.00072769 = 38.8244 BTC [+] 1286774;1443391046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54308 @ 0.00072141 = 39.1783 BTC [-] {3} 1286775;1443391107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50697 @ 0.00072545 = 36.7781 BTC [+] 1286776;1443391351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00073037 = 48.9713 BTC [+] {2} 1286777;1443391473;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/29EAWED.txt 1286778;1443391474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBo0V4 ) 1286779;1443391474;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1286780;1443391534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00073238 = 81.2209 BTC [+] {4} 1286781;1443391549;trinque;^ deedbot- will no longer chew up wrapped messages such as the above 1286782;1443391571;trinque;I've written a nice little parser in ply that'll handle that and also messages to interact with the buy/sell board. 1286783;1443391595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60104 @ 0.00071999 = 43.2743 BTC [-] {2} 1286784;1443391648;trinque;;;later tell adlai ^ 1286785;1443391649;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1286786;1443392754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140600 @ 0.0007204 = 101.2882 BTC [+] {3} 1286787;1443393088;jurov;http://minigame.bz/jurov/ has Eulora 0.1.1 win32 binaries nao, testers welcome 1286788;1443393089;assbot;Eulora Releases by Jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBpfU9 ) 1286789;1443393095;jurov;startup crashes fixced 1286790;1443393548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00071853 = 60.5002 BTC [-] {3} 1286791;1443394157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89650 @ 0.00073315 = 65.7269 BTC [+] {3} 1286792;1443395011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0007169 = 10.18 BTC [-] {3} 1286793;1443395780;BingoBoingo;Theo is on a roll today https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144339113818397&w=2 1286794;1443395782;assbot;'Re: FreeBSD or OpenBSD for my (server/router) purposes? (Total n00b)' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhCSfy ) 1286795;1443397052;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3mkkfb/l_sfyl_pending_captain_of_the_industry/ 1286796;1443397053;assbot;[L] SFYL pending. Captain of the industry TradeFortress reboots 'inputs.io' as 'wallet.la' after previously losing $1.2M worth of Bitcoin in a "hack". : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaosrR ) 1286797;1443397939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98450 @ 0.00071654 = 70.5434 BTC [-] 1286798;1443400033;deedbot-;[Trilema] The saddest thing, or a classification of rape - http://trilema.com/2015/the-saddest-thing-or-a-classification-of-rape/ 1286799;1443400804;gernika;BingoBoingo any tools you use to analyze running bitcoind procs on OpenBSD? 1286800;1443400830;BingoBoingo;gernika: Not really 1286801;1443400854;gernika;Something like dtrace or sysdig would be nice to have :( 1286802;1443401286;gernika;ktrace/kdump seems to be the closest match, fyi 1286803;1443405828;danielpbarron;!up indiancandy1 1286804;1443406287;indiancandy1;daniel 1286805;1443406289;indiancandy1;where u been 1286806;1443406418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00071923 = 14.0969 BTC [+] 1286807;1443406619;danielpbarron;working, and playing Eulora when I can find the time 1286808;1443410871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30236 @ 0.00071923 = 21.7466 BTC [+] 1286809;1443411980;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1286810;1443411983;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel 1286811;1443412028;ascii_field;http://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1509/msg00066.html 1286812;1443412029;assbot; VW ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHRG0h ) 1286813;1443412076;ascii_field;^ mega-opus re: vw & bezzle 1286814;1443412233;gabriel_laddel;Oh Stas, what a treat. TY. 1286815;1443415507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16770 @ 0.0007157 = 12.0023 BTC [-] {4} 1286816;1443417215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84517 @ 0.00072941 = 61.6475 BTC [+] {4} 1286817;1443418591;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2015#1286738 << clearly, people get incredibly bored in prison. 1286818;1443418591;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2015 16:16:35; punkman: " If I was to keep him from kidnapping those two women, which he'd do if I didn't turn myself over to him, I was going to have to turn myself over to the DOJ folks, so they could take the appropriate action to protect those people, and maybe even figure out just who this sick fuck was, and stop him." << cool story bro 1286819;1443418612;mircea_popescu;shit reads like any re-narrative attempt from none too bright 12 yos trying to fit in. 1286820;1443418758;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/slipperynipple/ << bwahahaha 1286821;1443418759;assbot;The Slippery Nipple ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTdEzH ) 1286822;1443419771;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2015#1286782 << sveet. 1286823;1443419771;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2015 22:06:11; trinque: I've written a nice little parser in ply that'll handle that and also messages to interact with the buy/sell board. 1286824;1443419819;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2015#1286787 << cool beans jurov. iirc you had a little extra payment for previous pass, dja figure it's fair we call it even on that score ? 1286825;1443419819;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2015 22:31:28; jurov: http://minigame.bz/jurov/ has Eulora 0.1.1 win32 binaries nao, testers welcome 1286826;1443420050;mircea_popescu;So, right there, VW diesel owners have a pretty ironclad case for what boils down to speculative financial compensation: the difference between what the cars 'would have been worth' if this flaw hadn't been exposed and what they *are* worth -- which is zero, if only because no one in their right mind would buy one (and in many cases reale may now be forbidden by law) << what ? 1286827;1443420063;mircea_popescu;i would very much in my right mind buy one. what the fuck do i care about all the bullshit ? 1286828;1443420114;mircea_popescu;"So those vehicles -- 11 million of them and counting -- are damaged goods. They will *never* be able to meet environmental regulations. That means either (a) they'll need to be taken off the road or (b) environmental regulations will need to be rewritten to include a carve-out for VW diesel owners." << or ship them to pakistan. 1286829;1443420161;mircea_popescu;anyway, vw takes the cake for fighting the insanity of statal overbearing. and the more insane it gets, the more of this will happen, until eventually maintaining even the pretense of "law enforcement" will become ridiculous. 1286830;1443420186;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this is the path : expose the state to millions of unknown cases. trillions, if at all possible. 1286831;1443420197;mircea_popescu;let it fuck the dilemma of "do we grandfather or what now!". 1286832;1443420198;mircea_popescu;fuck'em. 1286833;1443420596;mircea_popescu;fascinating that the author manages to go through all that without at any point rising to the very moderate level of awareness that's included in the observation that "all this retarded pseudo-legalistic bullshit just ate its own tail, and now ill have to go. vw shot it in the head, thanks god." 1286834;1443420621;mircea_popescu;no, he's derping on and on about patent fucking nonsense such as "Conceivably, one could compound that by overlaying 'network'-oriented jurisdictional issues -- for example, the use of telecom systems to transmit information (from software to managerial decisions) with an intent to deceive and defraud." 1286835;1443420623;mircea_popescu;really ? gtfo. 1286836;1443421013;*;BingoBoingo can't wait for the kits to make a VW Golf "Roll Coal" come out 1286837;1443421116;BingoBoingo;It would be adorable. A little hatchback putting out soot with the best of them 1286838;1443421861;punkman;http://etc.ancient.eu/2015/09/24/giglamesh-enkidu-humbaba-cedar-forest-newest-discovered-tablet-v-epic/ 1286839;1443421862;assbot;The newly discovered tablet V of the Epic of Gilgamesh ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gbv56A ) 1286840;1443421868;VariaVarietatis;sup mircea_popescu 1286841;1443421900;VariaVarietatis;have a feeling end is near so to speak 1286842;1443421917;punkman;whose end? 1286843;1443421946;VariaVarietatis;no ones end 1286844;1443422422;BingoBoingo;Oh shit No one is going to end! 1286845;1443422555;VariaVarietatis;BingoBoingo: can no one even die? 1286846;1443422572;BingoBoingo;You hinted we might be finding out 1286847;1443422769;VariaVarietatis;maybe of an aneurysm thats how i'd see a nobody dying 1286848;1443422910;BingoBoingo;Wait, nobody is dying now? WHat happened to no one? 1286849;1443422931;VariaVarietatis;oh i'm sloppy tonight surfing the blogs made me want to chat 1286850;1443423028;VariaVarietatis;BingoBoingo: noticed you liked baseball did Babe Ruth really point out where he was going to hit homeruns before batting is that just a folk tail? 1286851;1443423070;BingoBoingo;VariaVarietatis: Well it happened at least once. 1286852;1443423124;VariaVarietatis;BingoBoingo: was it in a big game? 1286853;1443423142;BingoBoingo;I dun remember off the top of my head. 1286854;1443423615;VariaVarietatis;was wonder if a phone screen could cuase a seizure with right flicker and heartbeat thats why I was looking for mircea_popescu 1286855;1443423664;VariaVarietatis;been back surfing alex jones last few days so to speak 1286856;1443423733;VariaVarietatis;guy is quite the showman not so big on facts 1286857;1443423742;BingoBoingo; was wonder if a phone screen could cuase a seizure with right flicker and heartbeat thats why I was looking for mircea_popescu << In people with photosensitive epilepsy 4-6 hertz of flashing can trigger seizures 1286858;1443424040;BingoBoingo;VariaVarietatis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth%27s_called_shot 1286859;1443424041;assbot;Babe Ruth's called shot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJ8P5g ) 1286860;1443424992;cazalla;VariaVarietatis, read about his divorce? 1286861;1443425116;cazalla;!up VariaVarietatis 1286862;1443425124;BingoBoingo;http://fatalvision.com/simulation-goggles/marijuana-simulation-experience.html lol 1286863;1443425125;assbot;Fatal Vision® Marijuana Simulation Experience | Marijuana Goggle | Drug Goggle | Drug Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJbmw5 ) 1286864;1443425153;VariaVarietatis;I never noticed marijuana have any sort of effect like that 1286865;1443425778;BingoBoingo;Well the point is more likely to sell fear to the children 1286866;1443425794;BingoBoingo;Or else they'd be selling them for recreational use 1286867;1443427379;mircea_popescu;onoes teh end is nigh 1286868;1443427394;*;mircea_popescu checks the eth prices, the only thing that can cheer up a man in these dark times. 1286869;1443427439;mircea_popescu;oshit, look at that, in other news trump is no longer shorter odds than 1 on bitbet. 1286870;1443427759;mircea_popescu;question : how many days of 15% straight drops does it need for ethereum to reach 0 ? 1286871;1443427774;mircea_popescu;answer : ETHEREUM CAN NEVER REACH ZERO BECAUSE IT IS A TECHONOLOLOLOL 1286872;1443427888;cazalla;i guess alien head will no longer be trumpin' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFRWOPh55Jo 1286873;1443427888;assbot;Donald Trump "Trumpin" - BITCOIN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZNmcQ ) 1286874;1443427966;mircea_popescu;what's "trumpin" ? 1286875;1443428002;mircea_popescu;and who's alienhead, buterin or trump ? tbf trump's head is mostly local, with the exception of the venusian hairpiece of course. 1286876;1443428015;cazalla;buterin is alienhead 1286877;1443428124;mircea_popescu;we prolly just don't understand 20something yo aesthetics. 1286878;1443428337;punkman;https://josauder.github.io/procedural_city_generation/ 1286879;1443428337;assbot;Procedural City Generation in Python - Documentation — procedural_city_generation 0.1 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZNPeQ ) 1286880;1443428852;punkman;http://kerningcultures.com/episodes/lebanese-startup-scene 1286881;1443428852;assbot;Kerning Cultures ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZOr4a ) 1286882;1443428862;mircea_popescu;ahaha what. 1286883;1443428871;mircea_popescu;start up and gtfo, lebanon's the next syria 1286884;1443428910;mircea_popescu;"If you set aside the sociopolitical factors beyond your control, youre left with daily inconveniences of fragmented infrastructure like electricity cuts of up to 6 hours, regular water shortages in the summer and fall, and an average internet speed of 3.11 Mbps to put things slightly in perspective, estimates abound that doubling Lebanons 1286885;1443428910;mircea_popescu;internet bandwidth could improve GDP by 0.6%." 1286886;1443428917;mircea_popescu;fucktard. how are any of these under your control. 1286887;1443428975;BingoBoingo;Even Weev figured out he had to gtfo Lebanon 1286888;1443429009;punkman;"Ten years ago, however, very few Lebanese were starting high-risk, fail-fast, profits-after-5-years companies like their present-day entrepreneur counterparts. “We didn’t have this culture of entrepreneurship,”" 1286889;1443429036;mircea_popescu;so basically lebanon is the new hope in the usg middle east desperation ? 1286890;1443429056;mircea_popescu;it won't fucking work, lebanon is the equivalent of new mexico. about as defensible as a bowl of china. 1286891;1443429086;punkman;maybe UAE is a better lebanon 1286892;1443429139;cazalla;that lebanese chicken ain't too bad though 1286893;1443429140;mircea_popescu;hahaha the saudis have had all the ustardism they can stand for. 1286894;1443429187;punkman;dubai is kinda startup-y 1286895;1443429214;mircea_popescu;sure, dubai would be. 1286896;1443429298;BingoBoingo; dubai is kinda startup-y << First rule of being a start-up-y place is high rent and cost of living. Burns the capital faster. 1286897;1443429323;mircea_popescu;dubai itself is one major arab startup in the hotel industry. 1286898;1443429325;mircea_popescu;and i mean major. 1286899;1443429368;mircea_popescu;https://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/24#l1443125163.0 <<< ahahaha gavin is back in #bitcoin-dev 1286900;1443429371;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZP2D0 ) 1286901;1443429386;mircea_popescu;he's like a latter day george costanza this dude, "he never quit". just hjas a great sense of humour. 1286902;1443429413;punkman;"when you poop in the Burj Khalifa, that waste is actually trucked out of the city. Trucked out of the city! " << creates jobs 1286903;1443429477;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1286904;1443429479;punkman;"a full building with 35,000 people would produce 7 tons of poop per day, plus all the additional wastewater for showers, brushing your teeth and so on, totaling up to 15 tons per day of wastewater." 1286905;1443429537;mircea_popescu;really, 22 tons is not terrible. 1286906;1443429549;mircea_popescu;if you don't make enough out of 35k schmucks to pay for one tanker truck you'rfe in trouble. 1286907;1443429579;mircea_popescu;however. i do not think i EVER showered in less than a cubic meter of water. if people are half-like me, we're talking 17k tons a day, not 15. 1286908;1443429609;mircea_popescu;and if you do the math, the per-capita water coming out of 15 tons would be under half a liter. ie, not even enough to drink. 1286909;1443429610;punkman;ton of water per shower? how many hours does that take? 1286910;1443429662;mircea_popescu;bout half an hour. 1286911;1443429675;punkman;that'd have to be a pretty big shower hose 1286912;1443429688;mircea_popescu;btcdrak i left him a little http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/28#l1443429445.0 1286913;1443429689;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZPsJJ ) 1286914;1443429744;mircea_popescu;How many gallons of water does an average 10 minute shower use? 1286915;1443429744;mircea_popescu;askville.amazon.com/...water...shower/AnswerViewer.do?...‎ 1286916;1443429744;mircea_popescu;If your house was built in (<1980 is 5-7, 1981-1991 is 3.5, 1992> is 2.5) the standard flow for showerheads then was 5-7/3.5/2.5 gallons per minute. 1286917;1443429782;mircea_popescu;the future never came to me. i generally get 7 to 10, and a coupla hundred galons is, if you do the math, just about one ton. 1286918;1443430225;mircea_popescu;(and random discussion YET AGAIN undercovers the well lied about ustardian poverty. hey random schmuck, did you know your DAD could afford 5x the water that may be wasted on your stupid head ? forged granpa.) 1286919;1443430443;cazalla;no doubt mircea_popescu has a commando 450 1286920;1443430468;punkman;I got two m^3 tanks, they tend to last for a few days 1286921;1443432099;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 710 @ 0.00478583 = 3.3979 BTC [+] {6} 1286922;1443432843;punkman;http://www.anonymousswisscollector.com/2015/09/the-orpheus-clock-by-simon-goodman.html 1286923;1443432845;assbot;The Orpheus Clock by Simon Goodman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jy43GE ) 1286924;1443432846;punkman;"There is a serious amount of press focused on issues related to Nazi-era forced art sales from Jewish owners during the 1930s and 1940s. There is a general art market fear of the possibility of Nazi-looted art and whole provenance departments have grown up in museums, auction houses, law firms, etc to deal with the possibility that there might be a claim from heirs to any bit of art." 1286925;1443435216;shinohai;http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/27/using-the-blockchain-to-the-fight-crime-and-save-lives/ <<< made me gag on Monday morning. 1286926;1443435218;assbot;Using The Blockchain To Fight Crime And Save Lives | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jy6Csn ) 1286927;1443435264;shinohai;Next they shall endorse TradeFortress' newest empire, with plenty of donations. 1286928;1443436006;mircea_popescu;what else are they for. 1286929;1443436181;BingoBoingo; Next they shall endorse TradeFortress' newest empire, with plenty of donations. << Again 1286930;1443436415;cazalla;if clock boy can build cpus, why can't alf? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K48415OeDdg 1286931;1443436416;assbot;I built more stuff that's very complicated like...CPUs and soldering them - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iVMFqu ) 1286932;1443436709;mircea_popescu;!up unbanksy 1286933;1443436822;unbanksy;http://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/11/19/edfe8624-da44-4332-80f8-17c652bb85c7/resize/570xauto/7e0e2f4e9cab97d6d8e9b3ce7c8c49cd/telstrapublicwifiphonebooth.jpg anything less than that, won't keep vw alive <<< for my political needs a dead vw is much better than a live one. 1287088;1443478294;thestringpuller;So Hearn thinks not everyone should read the bitcoin source code and advocates pseudoscience: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3motjs/bitcoin_block_size_analysis_using_real_data/cvh10d1 1287089;1443478308;mircea_popescu; holy shit it's down to 1800 btc? what did they start with, 30k? << "30k". 1287090;1443478312;mircea_popescu;therein lies the conundrum. 1287091;1443478336;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> but, you know, he's already got 16k btc ready for his next waterfall: https://sale.augur.net/ <<< "16k". 1287092;1443478337;assbot;Augur - Fund the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwC75 ) 1287093;1443478339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00071852 = 16.2386 BTC [-] 1287094;1443478362;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#c5162 << i happen to value the estimation of that anon bitbet commenter. i looked at the data source and to my eye he seems exactly on the money. 1287095;1443478363;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 52.17 B (28%) on Yes, 134.11 B (72%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 days | weight: 84`582 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCUQVB ) 1287096;1443478381;mircea_popescu;the budget of the entire scamolade is ~150 btc, and i doubt they're actually willing to burn all of it in support of this paycoin. 1287097;1443478415;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2015#1286899 << bwahaha 1287098;1443478415;assbot;Logged on 28-09-2015 08:36:08; mircea_popescu: https://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/24#l1443125163.0 <<< ahahaha gavin is back in #bitcoin-dev 1287099;1443478458;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski at least he could have the commo nfucking decency to make a new nick, like every dumbass / scammer before him. 1287100;1443478475;mod6;^ 1287101;1443478479;mircea_popescu;jewish mothers have a saying, something like, "stick to being honest, you're too dumb to be crooked." 1287102;1443478484;pete_dushenski;alvin gandresen 1287103;1443478494;mircea_popescu;i guess derpy amherst dude could have benefited from jewish mother. 1287104;1443478506;pete_dushenski;even jewish lawyer wife 1287105;1443478565;pete_dushenski;"16k" << with new address for every donation. lest inquiring minds look, see, and call bullshit 1287106;1443478618;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2015#1286833 << i quite like this angle. 1287107;1443478618;assbot;Logged on 28-09-2015 06:09:56; mircea_popescu: fascinating that the author manages to go through all that without at any point rising to the very moderate level of awareness that's included in the observation that "all this retarded pseudo-legalistic bullshit just ate its own tail, and now ill have to go. vw shot it in the head, thanks god." 1287108;1443478652;pete_dushenski;the size of the vw legal problem is too obviously too large for derpy bureaucrats with concrete boots to handle 1287109;1443478667;pete_dushenski;so they really have no choice but to hand-wave the 'problems' away 1287110;1443478670;mircea_popescu;no but seriously. at what point does the idea form that hey, minuscule "pollutants" out of extant cars aren't the problem. stop giving so many derps cars! 1287111;1443478678;pete_dushenski;winterkorn should get nobel peace prize 1287112;1443478686;mircea_popescu;it's clearly a square. one edge has been optimized pretty well. tiome to do the other one ? 1287113;1443478717;pete_dushenski;govs are working on exactly that 1287114;1443478728;pete_dushenski;munis on up 1287115;1443478733;pete_dushenski;'take your bike to work day' 1287116;1443478744;pete_dushenski;'national ride the bus day' 1287117;1443478777;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu "Ethereum now actually exists" << what the fuck does this even mean ? 1287118;1443478793;mircea_popescu;last i heard ethereum is today in a state that is generally worse than not existing at all. 1287119;1443478811;mircea_popescu;somehow it managed to be worse off as "existoware" than it was 6 months ago as 6 months late vaporware. 1287120;1443478835;pete_dushenski;this side of the pollution equation is being helped immensely by the crushing student debt that 'social scientards' are coming out of school with. still have to live at home. ride bike, take bus. what choice do they have but make being poor fashionable ? 1287121;1443478859;mircea_popescu;how about make being poor very fucking sad, so they have SOME incentive to stop lying to themnselves about it. 1287122;1443478880;pete_dushenski;best thing the post-secondary ustardian system ever did. reduce pollution. with debt ! 1287123;1443478889;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: only the stupid have student debt, why pay for something you can't afford, or are not cool enough to get someone else to pay for? 1287124;1443478901;pete_dushenski;obviously, more debt is needed in beijing 1287125;1443478902;thestringpuller;I blame Obama for all the "everyone should go to college" bullshit. 1287126;1443478904;mircea_popescu;yeah, by filling the country with a bunch of retarded assholes you wholeheartedly feel like driving over. 1287127;1443478912;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no, it's bush. 1287128;1443478917;mircea_popescu;"no kid left behind". 1287129;1443478942;thestringpuller;i think the kid eating glue is worse off now with that mantra 1287130;1443478949;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the epic moment where a kenyan and a chinese agreed that "the us can't pull itself out of the shit without chinese support". 1287131;1443478957;mircea_popescu;possibly most unamerican thing ever seen, heard or thought. 1287132;1443478976;mircea_popescu;but hey, the party's over. all that's left of america are the fly shat pictures of granpa on the wall. 1287133;1443478979;pete_dushenski;and that they won't 'cyberspy' on each other. myeah. 1287134;1443479016;mircea_popescu;omfg! ETHEREUM BROKE THROUGH 1287135;1443479021;thestringpuller;the entire point of college these days is to get laid it seems, which I dunno why you'd pay 10k a year just to get laid. 1287136;1443479024;mircea_popescu;o never mind, i was holding the graph upside down. 1287137;1443479033;mircea_popescu;they broke through 0.00025 going the wrong way. 1287138;1443479043;mircea_popescu;-24% TODAY 1287139;1443479055;mircea_popescu;to add to the -15% yest and the 10% day before that and in general... 1287140;1443479072;pete_dushenski;halfway through 'django unchained' atm. if the locals in derptown texas couldn't imagine 'nigger on a horse', how would they react to 'nigger sells your papy's farm to chinaman' ? 1287141;1443479100;mircea_popescu;clearly that blogpost convinced people 1287142;1443479116;pete_dushenski;django's set in 1858 ftr 1287143;1443479119;mircea_popescu;http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ << check out the one day for shits an giggles. 1287144;1443479121;assbot;Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq ) 1287145;1443479166;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: probably the same way people reacted to Dave Chappelle shooting a slave owner on camera in a skit. 1287146;1443479214;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu 0.001 looking more likely by the minute 1287147;1443479216;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: it all falls out of tvom 1287148;1443479225;ben_vulpes;early exponential exercises 1287149;1443479266;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller was that the black white surpremacist skit or another ? 1287150;1443479376;btcdrak;the blood moon has come true for so many assets today 1287151;1443479402;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxcwlW3rrkg 1287152;1443479402;assbot;Dave Chappelle Killing slave master - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCWOFl ) 1287153;1443479476;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2015#1287111 << how about a wooden tmsr~ "stake" for sitting his enemies down upon? 1287154;1443479476;assbot;Logged on 28-09-2015 22:17:58; pete_dushenski: winterkorn should get nobel peace prize 1287155;1443479503;mircea_popescu;looks more like chappelle shooting a confused farmhand. 1287156;1443479510;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller haha silky johnson! 1287157;1443479539;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes branded merchandising, i love it ! 1287158;1443479543;mircea_popescu;dunno if a peace prize so much. how about 40 virgins and a burning bed or what was it ? 1287159;1443479560;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRFQJCHcPw 1287160;1443479560;assbot;Spaceballs (6/11) Movie CLIP - Merchandising! Merchandising! (1987) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCXc6Q ) 1287161;1443479592;trinque;chapelle did not deliver in that skit 1287162;1443479635;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/ << i had forgotten alf put all the work into this! 1287163;1443479636;assbot;Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn0Pqf ) 1287164;1443479774;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:be692bd7a8864924c2526b0f2b72dd90baebc89bf10b131ff925358764b9be24 1287165;1443479774;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for punkman from 1 to 2 with note: posts the best links. therealbitcoin contributor. 1287166;1443479803;*;pete_dushenski has been immensely enjoying punkman's links of late :D 1287167;1443479948;BingoBoingo; no but seriously. at what point does the idea form that hey, minuscule "pollutants" out of extant cars aren't the problem. stop giving so many derps cars! << The used car market is finally starting to regain some price sanity after the "cash for clunkers" supply contraction. The confinscatadors may be planning to do a repeat except with more "fuck you" and less "$5000" rebate 1287168;1443479981;mircea_popescu;the more they do of that, the less rope they have left. 1287169;1443480003;mircea_popescu;this is the problem of "regimes", let's call it. a quest for oxigen, underwater. there's no more oxygen being added. 1287170;1443480008;mircea_popescu;the more they move, the less they live. 1287171;1443480046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00072565 = 15.8917 BTC [+] 1287172;1443480074;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3mpq6b/new_ethereum_blog_post_from_vitalik_buterin_the/cvh5kzh << at least SA is having SOME fun with it. 1287173;1443480076;assbot;Dunning_Krugerrands comments on New Ethereum blog post from Vitalik Buterin: The Evolution of Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCY5wi ) 1287174;1443480093;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.74050826 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b34 1287175;1443480191;BingoBoingo; the more they do of that, the less rope they have left. << How they would do it is probably mandate the titles to the vehicles be converted to "salvage titles" or some other wankery that would make the cars illegal to be registered to drive on the road. 1287176;1443480224;mircea_popescu;the overarching point being that whatever paper dickery they choose makes exactly 0 difference in the field. 1287177;1443480240;mircea_popescu;there is no way to "fix things" by finding the right way to fold the paper. 1287178;1443480310;BingoBoingo;Of course. There may be wankery in some places like California where the police are enlisted to pull over and impound such vehicles when spotted driving, but it is retards all the way down 1287179;1443480385;pete_dushenski;http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/chinas-silk-road-initiative-is-at-risk-of-failure/ 1287180;1443480386;assbot;China’s ‘Silk Road’ Initiative Is at Risk of Failure | The Diplomat ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCYPS5 ) 1287181;1443480436;pete_dushenski;"Part of the initiative is to create around 20 cross-border Special Economic Zones. Khorgos, on the border with Kazakhstan, serves as a cautionary example: two years after the go-ahead China has built a city consisting of a number of multi-story shopping centers in the desert. In one of those buildings, for example, there are roughly one hundred shops, each one of them selling exactly the same product: fur coats." 1287182;1443480552;mircea_popescu;no two fur coats are the same. 1287183;1443480603;mircea_popescu;"Short summary from clicking the link: this dude claimed to know Ethereum would fail, so during the crowd sale he offered Ether at a huge discount to the official price. Since nobody took him up on this amazing offer of selling something he didn't have at a price cheaper than the price people were willing to pay to people who actually had Ether to sell, he declared victory. 1287184;1443480603;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1287185;1443480603;mircea_popescu;Since Ether went live he has disappeared and refused to discuss the issue anymore, and it is unlikely anyone could've collected from him at any point. 1287186;1443480603;mircea_popescu;In other words, he's a troll." 1287187;1443480609;mircea_popescu;i... i happen to like this summary. 1287188;1443480668;mircea_popescu;course, not nearly as heroic as "dude that has a bunch of other altcoins anal rings around his penis said ethereum's no different, and he had an open offer we mostly didn't take, and now it turns out it's no different and let's not mention the bitbet bet on the matter if possible." 1287189;1443480672;mircea_popescu;but still. 1287190;1443480723;BingoBoingo;;;calc 1800*250 1287191;1443480724;gribble;450000 1287192;1443481434;pete_dushenski;http://432parkavenue.com/?state=views_1271 << $81 mn view anyone ? 1287193;1443481435;assbot;432 Park Avenue Luxury Apartments in New York City ... ( http://bit.ly/1OD2DCF ) 1287194;1443481455;pete_dushenski;sorry for flash... 1287195;1443481459;pete_dushenski;but worth it! 1287196;1443481579;pete_dushenski;i still wouldn't want to live in nyc, but not least of all because it'd make me feel pretty poor. like alf poor. 1287197;1443482609;BingoBoingo;Poor pete_dushenski can't live in NYC because he'd feel poor, can't live in Detroit or St Louis because he'd feel like food. 1287198;1443482657;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-honks-at-stopped-vehicle-near-carondelet-park-and-is/article_7b0ed67d-1ff6-5e94-b412-6df214eb0804.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-mugged-shot-after-leaving-cardinals-game-paralyzed-from-bullet/article_300320e5-a575-537d-8a5b-c899beff6cbd.html 1287199;1443482659;assbot;Man honks at stopped vehicle near Carondelet Park and is shot, police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOKA6z ) 1287200;1443482660;assbot;Man mugged, shot after leaving Cardinals game paralyzed from bullet : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOKA6B ) 1287201;1443482912;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo haven't been to either detroit or stl, but the former holds some appeal to me, at least as a tourist. 1287202;1443482967;pete_dushenski;i mean, who wouldn't want to see a real live honest-to-goodness usian dystopian ghost town to see if the future is really that shitty or whether it's in fact quite liveable 1287203;1443483018;BingoBoingo;Well, the problems emerge less from the touristing and more from the activities of daily living necessary as an urban dweller 1287204;1443483033;pete_dushenski;and by 'the future' i don't mean 'the future everywhere' but rather a great many north american cities, particularly those focused on a single industry. 1287205;1443483115;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo being a 'dweller' anywhere probably sucks 1287206;1443483116;BingoBoingo;Prolly most North American cities have to look forward to: "It is the latest robbery in St. Louis in which the victim was shot even after complying with a robber's demands." 1287207;1443483237;BingoBoingo;Most of the failing US urban areas have some sort of civilized carve out in the Downtown area, but they are becoming increasingly indefensible 1287208;1443483295;BingoBoingo;"Mayor Francis Slay said Monday he would give Dotson "unlimited overtime" to put more police on the streets. Slay reiterated his goal to hire more police officers, but warned it may not be enough to combat what he called "a higher level of boldness" by criminals who are carrying more and higher-caliber weapons and who have little regard for consequences." 1287209;1443483365;BingoBoingo;Philip Cook, a Duke University public policy and economics professor who has examined crime trends, said most gun robberies do not lead to violence but that perpetrators sometimes injure or kill to eliminate witnesses to a crime. "And in some cases it may have been purely gratuitous violence what I called recreational violence," Cook said. 1287210;1443483541;pete_dushenski;recreational violence has a long history amongst bank robbers and other 'pros'. highly effective means of persuation and, hell, gratification. 1287211;1443483627;BingoBoingo;Of course and if they get caught in this situation they are just "taking one for the team" in the name of refining their machine for extracting value from Whitey. 1287212;1443483627;cazalla;in other words, don't make a big deal outta it spider 1287213;1443483885;pete_dushenski;i'm off for a spell. cheers ! 1287214;1443483893;phf;fwiw lafond's opinion is particularly negatively biased since he lives in a city with such seemingly intentionally crippled police force. ramsey for example, former dc commissioner and now philly, has been pretty efficient at containment. 1287215;1443483973;phf;(i'm saying lafond because that's where i assume most people here are getting their racial relationship information from) 1287216;1443483975;BingoBoingo;Sometimes the City's just broken. 1287217;1443484010;BingoBoingo; (i'm saying lafond because that's where i assume most people here are getting their racial relationship information from) << I've been getting most of mine from KMOX 1287218;1443484025;phf;oh, hah 1287219;1443484102;BingoBoingo;Lafond just makes St Louis seem less uniquely bad 1287220;1443484284;phf;i spent a long time biking through north east dc and was friends with a dc cop at umd and i know that north east is hellhole ready to burst. i'd bike during day time and would have old black guys on the street corner go "whacha doin here white boy". but then i moved to philly and ghetto here is not north east nor baltimore by any measure. i can walk up to 69th street or kensington and as long as i'm smart about it, nobody will pay me any at 1287221;1443484284;phf;tention. there's a wide range of ghettos, and those that are there, at the end of the day, how many black of service age is there. 1287222;1443484339;phf;*how many blacks 1287223;1443484360;phf;it seems like a particular type of american boogieman 1287224;1443484366;BingoBoingo;St Louis was actually getting a lot nicer before Ferguson. Philly might just lack a rallying event 1287225;1443484555;phf;nicer in a sense that gentrification line was pushed further out, or nicer in a sense that ghettos were becoming better places to live? philly for example has a large muslim community and Ethiopian community that pushing in the ghetto without necessarily turning it into polarising yoga and smoothies yuppie centrals 1287226;1443484699;BingoBoingo;Ghettos were becoming nicer places to travel through, and gentrification was happening in South City as people got tired of insane commutes 1287227;1443484761;BingoBoingo;Property crimes like snatch and grabs out of cars were bigger than ever, but people weren't getting broken as often. 1287228;1443484811;BingoBoingo;It was still organized crime, but organized crime is always going to exist everywhere. 1287229;1443484840;BingoBoingo;The surge in violence seems to have a more nationalist feel. 1287230;1443484865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45960 @ 0.00071964 = 33.0747 BTC [-] 1287231;1443485042;cazalla;what's available to smash and grab from a car these days? 1287232;1443485097;phf;in any case i'd be curious to watch breakdown patterns in philly. you have a lot of agents here, that are not just realtors. there's upenn, there's ethnic neighbourhoods, there's also a lot of "blacklivesmatter" hipster feminist areas that are deep in the ghetto territory. 1287233;1443485231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17107 @ 0.00071414 = 12.2168 BTC [-] {2} 1287234;1443485252;BingoBoingo; what's available to smash and grab from a car these days? << In Missouri? Firearms 1287235;1443485330;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/the-right-moves-making-sense-of-icd-10/ << "ICD-10 could bring with it a 15% drop in provider revenue due to incomplete charts and claims rejections. Thankfully, a few basic principles can keep you up to date, and [hopefully]in the black." 1287236;1443485332;assbot;The Right Moves: Making Sense of ICD-10 - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1h55i9y ) 1287237;1443485529;cazalla;BingoBoingo, well that is far better than the casette player i had in mind 1287238;1443487061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.000731 = 1.462 BTC [+] 1287239;1443487549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00071989 = 36.9664 BTC [-] 1287240;1443487653;mircea_popescu; "Mayor Francis Slay << nice name at least. 1287241;1443487680;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He's a white guy. Been in since the last Black guy was voted out. 1287242;1443487704;BingoBoingo;The last black mayor's father is on the board of aldermen though. 1287243;1443487707;mircea_popescu; (i'm saying lafond because that's where i assume most people here are getting their racial relationship information from) << eh no they aren't, cmon. 1287244;1443487712;mircea_popescu;welcome lulz. 1287245;1443487817;mircea_popescu; It was still organized crime, but organized crime is always going to exist everywhere. << organised crime is one step down from government and certainly better than disorganised crime in all situations except those of extreme abundance 1287246;1443487829;mircea_popescu;like manna from heaven sort of abundance 1287247;1443487854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31345 @ 0.00073099 = 22.9129 BTC [+] {2} 1287248;1443487957;mircea_popescu;aand it's 2.3 1287249;1443488161;mircea_popescu;"When blockchain technology will become more adopted by businesses, is an ether price of 100$ realistic ? (self.ethtrader)" 1287250;1443488220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00071418 = 18.4616 BTC [-] {2} 1287251;1443488952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00071414 = 37.2067 BTC [-] 1287252;1443489102;phf;this sake i've been drinking put me in a foul mood, and orcs at the door rhetoric is depressing 1287253;1443489198;phf;i know it's not just la fond, but he's particularly adept at this subject 1287254;1443489797;phf;actually reminds me of this guy, fred reed, from earlier internet, http://www.fredoneverything.net. he used to be a dc journalist, so he has a lot of candid comments about dc northeast and generally race in america 1287255;1443489802;cazalla;phf, sounds like you just need to drink a lil' more 1287256;1443489989;phf;aye, perhaps i'll switch to raki 1287257;1443490111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37411 @ 0.00071409 = 26.7148 BTC [-] {3} 1287258;1443490599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00071393 = 25.9157 BTC [-] 1287259;1443492063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40547 @ 0.00071391 = 28.9469 BTC [-] {3} 1287260;1443492909;trinque;http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/09/28/why-putins-move-into-syria-may-prove-one-step-too-far/ << this is rich 1287261;1443492910;assbot;Will Putin’s move into Syria be one step too far? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWewUa ) 1287262;1443492933;trinque;the nerve of trying to make the argument that what we're seeing in the world today is *russian* military adventurism 1287263;1443493165;trinque;what I see is numerous smoldering fires all along their south 1287264;1443493185;trinque;much closer than say Central America is to the USA 1287265;1443493391;trinque;Iraq and Syria are what, 200-300mi from Russia, maybe 4-5 in Syria's case 1287266;1443493405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00071504 = 30.6395 BTC [+] 1287267;1443493422;trinque;light Iran on fire and it's even closer 1287268;1443493954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38154 @ 0.00071564 = 27.3045 BTC [+] {2} 1287269;1443494076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00071646 = 12.1082 BTC [+] 1287270;1443495601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18061 @ 0.00071391 = 12.8939 BTC [-] 1287271;1443496272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00071391 = 11.2798 BTC [-] 1287272;1443497187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56332 @ 0.00071448 = 40.2481 BTC [+] {3} 1287273;1443497492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24309 @ 0.00071373 = 17.3501 BTC [-] {2} 1287274;1443497736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00071323 = 6.1694 BTC [-] 1287275;1443498519;cazalla;copypaste, super cool press conference bro :P 1287276;1443498535;copypaste;oh thank you :3 1287277;1443498569;cazalla;maybe get a blue yeti or similar to avoid handing microphone around though (missed what you said at the start) 1287278;1443498603;copypaste;https://my.mixtape.moe/ovaajp.png 1287279;1443498605;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH1jLh ) 1287280;1443498608;copypaste;i made an evdev keylogger 1287281;1443498668;copypaste;i intend for it to be used for presentations and not logging keys, but i suppose it's just as good for either purpose... 1287282;1443498834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00071323 = 27.4594 BTC [-] 1287283;1443499566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.0007129 = 31.7953 BTC [-] {5} 1287284;1443500715;punkman;mircea_popescu: Since Ether went live he has disappeared and refused to discuss the issue anymore, and it is unlikely anyone could've collected from him at any point. << and they didn't even have the anton story? 1287285;1443500912;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP722YKU8AAqoD2.png:large 1287286;1443500913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h5HnH5 ) 1287287;1443501213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00071445 = 20.8977 BTC [+] {3} 1287288;1443502006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98683 @ 0.00071216 = 70.2781 BTC [-] {4} 1287289;1443502311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00071107 = 29.5094 BTC [-] 1287290;1443502982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00071101 = 19.2684 BTC [-] {3} 1287291;1443504507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47972 @ 0.00071689 = 34.3906 BTC [+] {4} 1287292;1443506398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144700 @ 0.00071001 = 102.7384 BTC [-] {6} 1287293;1443506971;punkman;https://theintercept.com/2015/09/28/death-athens-rogue-nsa-operation/ 1287294;1443506973;assbot;Did a Rogue NSA Operation Cause the Death of a Greek Telecom Employee? ... ( http://bit.ly/1VkcCky ) 1287295;1443506977;punkman;!s athens affair 1287296;1443506978;assbot;2 results for 'athens affair' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=athens+affair 1287297;1443507036;punkman;"Last February, Greek authorities took the extraordinary step of issuing an international arrest warrant for a CIA official the Greeks believe was a key figure in the operation while based in Athens. Unnoticed by the U.S. press, the warrant was a nearly unprecedented action by an allied country. The intelligence official, identified as William George Basil, was accused of espionage and eavesdropping." 1287298;1443507334;punkman;"“The Greeks identified terrorist nets, so NSA put these devices in there and they told the Greeks, OK, when it’s done we’ll turn it off,” said the source. “They put them in the Athens communications system, with the knowledge and approval of the Greek government. This was to help with security during the Olympics.”" 1287299;1443507435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45952 @ 0.00071438 = 32.8272 BTC [+] {4} 1287300;1443508411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00071442 = 5.1438 BTC [+] 1287301;1443509326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101500 @ 0.00071767 = 72.8435 BTC [+] {5} 1287302;1443509814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00070875 = 28.6335 BTC [-] {4} 1287303;1443509997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00071982 = 29.4406 BTC [+] 1287304;1443510241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8140 @ 0.00070842 = 5.7665 BTC [-] 1287305;1443510416;cazalla;http://8ch.net/b/src/1443509910974.webm 1287306;1443510699;BingoBoingo;punkman: Seems like motive enough for the NSA to do the systemd turd 1287307;1443510845;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287253 << i dunno that it is. honestly, "Race relations" in the sense of, here's a 10-15% ish scapegoat minority is the lulz of all time. same role the gypsies play in romania, same exact role of the small rus / white rus whatever in russian rhetoric, what the fuck are the ukrainians gonna do, bleed on everyone ? 1287308;1443510845;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 01:13:18; phf: i know it's not just la fond, but he's particularly adept at this subject 1287309;1443510889;mircea_popescu;there's 2k years' worth of actual social science being amused at lafond's "hi world i'm an ex boxer lemme tell you how the world looks through my glass" schtick. 1287310;1443510919;mircea_popescu;uh-oh dem niggaz gun git our womenz! 1287311;1443510978;mircea_popescu;meanwhile if you look at the actual demographics involved the loss of identity, cultural, biological, you name it has been MORE marked for the minority and is certainly going faster. 1287312;1443511028;mircea_popescu;fifty years ago, back when they were "opressed" us blacks ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING. meanwhile they've been... liberated out of it. 1287313;1443511065;punkman;http://uncouthreflections.com/2013/12/22/nine-years-of-alya/ 1287314;1443511069;assbot;Nine Years of Alya | Uncouth Reflections ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKREoa ) 1287315;1443511159;mircea_popescu;punkman that's nothing. i suspect the pedigree of "women with a sexual market value" will in the future require full coverage much like the sale of cattle and other biomaterial includes full documentation by default today. 1287316;1443511208;mircea_popescu;"where's your profile pic" of the 90s gave way to the "where's your instagram account" of the 2000s which gave way to "you make and send nude selfies on demand as a prequal" of today which will give way to something, dat much is fo sho. 1287317;1443511252;mircea_popescu;so if your daughter's born recently, she has 50-50 odds of living her entire life publicly nude. 1287318;1443511264;mircea_popescu;imagine telling her about "the world before cellphones" as her mom lived it. 1287319;1443511461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51050 @ 0.00071676 = 36.5906 BTC [+] {4} 1287320;1443511478;mircea_popescu;"Atypical Neurotic. An Illinois-born refugee from academia who in late middle-age finds himself a civil servant in Norway. An unashamed city-dweller, he walks 30 minutes every day to a job where he is not paid to be an economist (lawyer or accountant), only to sound like one." 1287321;1443511480;mircea_popescu;heh. 1287322;1443511527;mircea_popescu;pretty impressive blog tho i must say. 1287323;1443511605;mircea_popescu;is this what two blowhards turned into ? or unrelated ? 1287324;1443511650;punkman;no idea, just stumbled on that post 1287325;1443511742;mircea_popescu;"The most important consequence of the Papal Revolution was that it introduced into Western history the experience of revolution itself." 1287326;1443511762;mircea_popescu;i mean for the holy name of Trompi, they like even know shit and whatnot. 1287327;1443511807;mircea_popescu;(yes, lenin is a bit player in a story that marx didn't start, and the french didn't start. the stone fell i nthe lake long long ago.) 1287328;1443511827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12908 @ 0.00070842 = 9.1443 BTC [-] 1287329;1443512004;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cM5FLTGhU << fundamental "i'ma dress up like gregory an' preach" fantasy enaction. 1287330;1443512004;assbot;The Great Dictator - Speech to Humanity | HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYSUF9 ) 1287331;1443512213;punkman;is trompi the romanian dumbo? 1287332;1443512250;mircea_popescu;nah. trompi is a putative divinity introduced by a comic strip. he's more mysterious than the fsm in that outside of me and those guys nobody even references it. 1287333;1443512399;BingoBoingo; fifty years ago, back when they were "opressed" us blacks ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING. meanwhile they've been... liberated out of it. << He's got bits of that scattered around though he does focus on the "liberated" younger generations 1287334;1443512509;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo his approach is fundamentally broken, fwiw. "oh, be in shape and you'll..." you'll what ? you'll die, just like everyone else. what's it gonna do, exactly ? he keeps spinning these... what they are is basically "believable superman strips". self-contained submarine-jetfighter except you know, not actually THAT capable, so the weakness of the "self-contained" fantasy is a little harder to put under fire. 1287335;1443512550;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with it, obviously. and the freshness of perspective is welcome, certainly. and i enjoy reading them, generally. 1287336;1443512565;BingoBoingo;Oh his approach is broken as fuck 1287337;1443512580;mircea_popescu;but i dunno that anyone actually sees them the way sake makes phf fear anyone sees them. 1287338;1443512614;mircea_popescu;heck, all the fucktarded broken software stack would really not be a point of concern if all it took was you know, hitting the gym three times a week and not being over 60. 1287339;1443512624;mircea_popescu;yet here we are. 1287340;1443512651;mircea_popescu;da fuck would i need bitcoin for, in a world where the win criteria is "work out a little". 1287341;1443512698;BingoBoingo;It's like the people who stockpile all the stuff for collapse even if it really means they get robbed first 1287342;1443512750;mircea_popescu;in that range anyway. 1287343;1443512775;mircea_popescu;heck, i could do without needing a spylist longer than most serial monogamists' ex-fucks list just to keep things slightly above water. 1287344;1443512920;BingoBoingo;People are going to do what they are going to do. Some are going to run stock exchanges while others ride the bus to work the grocery store. 1287345;1443512957;mircea_popescu;word. 1287346;1443512972;mircea_popescu;and honestly, if i'm going to ride the bus once, i'd much rather ride it with lafond than plenty of other people. 1287347;1443513199;BingoBoingo;This civilization has got to have some sort of sorting. Just prolly doesn't scale past 1-10 million people really. 1287348;1443513230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40887 @ 0.00070808 = 28.9513 BTC [-] {5} 1287349;1443513247;mircea_popescu;his method works for any arbitrary number, providerd of course they never exist in groups larger than a few hundred and those groups are strictly separated. 1287350;1443513302;mircea_popescu;which is amusingly biographical : fighter circuit consists of groups of a few hundred people (the boxer, his team, people at his club, his social acquaintances etc) that come together under very strictly controlled setting (matches) and otherwise are very strictly separated. 1287351;1443513315;mircea_popescu;this way of life can obviously only exist for as long as you know... it's not universal. 1287352;1443513344;mircea_popescu;but the fantasy is alive and well, hence "hunger games" and whatnot. 1287353;1443513395;mircea_popescu;i expect ~half the various anarcho-this and that, so-and-so-punks etc are pretty much equal to that when it comes to social organizing. "let's all live as dunbar number communes in the desert, inaccessible from one another like." 1287354;1443513426;mircea_popescu;hence the interest of things that are predicated on breaking that imagined wall (say - madmax ?) 1287355;1443513549;BingoBoingo;Seems likely. 1287356;1443514357;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i know ya got a big stockpile of liquor 1287357;1443514450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7295 @ 0.00071705 = 5.2309 BTC [+] 1287358;1443514999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00071705 = 9.8236 BTC [+] 1287359;1443515190;mircea_popescu;well, he has been trying to. 1287360;1443515198;mircea_popescu;problem is the stockpile keeps getting drunk. 1287361;1443515309;cazalla;i know that feel 1287362;1443515325;mircea_popescu;first google hit for "blackstone" ? http://www.bks-motors.com/ 1287363;1443515334;mircea_popescu;"Somos una empresa lder en la venta de cuatriciclos deportivos y Agrarios Blackstone. Contamos con una alta cobertura de repuestos y servicios de post- venta." 1287364;1443515615;mircea_popescu;and in random lulz, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/ 1287365;1443515617;assbot;The Hidden History of the Incredibly Evil Khazarian Mafia (Updated) | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYXyi1 ) 1287366;1443515623;mircea_popescu;"Note: The history of the Khazarians, specifically the Khazarian Mafia (KM), the Worlds largest Organized Crime Syndicate that the Khazarian oligarchy morphed into by their deployment of Babylonian Money-Magick, has been nearly completely excised from the history books." 1287367;1443515641;mircea_popescu;but wait! there's more... http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-top-of-pyramid-rothschilds-british.html 1287368;1443515642;assbot;The Top of the Pyramid: The Rothschilds, the Vatican and the British Crown Rule World | Humans Are Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYXzCx ) 1287369;1443515657;mircea_popescu;"Barack Obama is the current CEO of the USA Corporation and 1287370;1443515658;mircea_popescu;the gold-fringed flags in the background stand for "ruled from abroad."" 1287371;1443515697;mircea_popescu;i must admit i'm a little confused by the internet. 1287372;1443515731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.0007156 = 21.0386 BTC [-] {4} 1287373;1443516036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00070792 = 10.7604 BTC [-] 1287374;1443516045;deedbot-;[Trilema] In numele lui Trompi! - http://trilema.com/2015/in-numele-lui-trompi/ 1287375;1443516541;mircea_popescu;punkman ^ 1287376;1443517195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00070846 = 28.5864 BTC [+] {3} 1287377;1443518172;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2T7H1KG << mildly curious if it gets published. 1287378;1443518174;assbot;dpaste: 2T7H1KG ... ( http://bit.ly/1FERFK9 ) 1287379;1443518783;mircea_popescu;http://www.fredoneverything.net./COL1.shtml << lolk. 1287380;1443518829;mircea_popescu;looking through that site - seems the average lifetime of a "serious" blog is in the hundreds. i would guess from my own experience less than 1% of a personal attempt survives the 1k articles mark. 1287381;1443518843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52227 @ 0.00070792 = 36.9725 BTC [-] 1287382;1443518903;mircea_popescu;The following, which gives the flavor, is from Andrea Dworkin, who I gather is a sort of museum-piece siege howitzer for feminism. It's pretty much how they all talk. Listen: 1287383;1443518903;mircea_popescu;"Men use the night to erase us...The annihilation of a woman's personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality, and so the night is the sacred time of male sexual celebration, because it is dark and in the dark it is easier not to see: not to see who she is. Male sexuality, drunk on its intrinsic contempt for all life, but especially for women's lives, can run wild, hunt down random victi 1287384;1443518903;mircea_popescu;ms, use the dark for cover, find in the dark solace, sanctuary, cover." 1287385;1443518971;mircea_popescu;incidentally - dvorkin happens to be pretty much correct. male sexuality IS fundamentally contempt for all life. not for life in particular, but for life in the universal, for the life of maggots and cockroaches and everything else teemingly and indistinctly alive. and as such it is both fundamentally important and functionally required, 1287386;1443518993;mircea_popescu;it keeps women from devolving into the wasp nest dvorkin'd live in, of her own devices. 1287387;1443519044;mircea_popescu;that's the gender role since the begining : woman spits out maggots from her maggot hole and man figures out which she may get to keep. 1287388;1443519293;mircea_popescu;"Why is schooling so poor for black children? To begin with, because blacks have little enthusiasm for academics. Blacks have demonstrated for an end to discrimination, more welfare, less brutality by police, greater rights, more pay, and greater respect. They do not march for more homework, harder courses, thicker texts with larger words and smaller pictures." 1287389;1443519294;mircea_popescu;ahaha ok. 1287390;1443519297;HeySteve;ah Fred on everything, he's a very enjoyable read 1287391;1443519330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00071265 = 5.4518 BTC [+] 1287392;1443519508;HeySteve;haven't seen his new stuff on WordPress, think my morning plans just changed 1287393;1443519510;mircea_popescu;it is an astonishingly beautiful point. it generally takes a ~bright~ and very talented slavegirl 18 months or more before her desires go from more chocolate and less beatings to being given harder tasks. and she finds herself in an incredibly powerful, carefully engineered self-improvement-atron. 1287394;1443519544;mircea_popescu;so why are blacks marching for "respect" which can not be given, instead of marching for "more homework" which would instantly, and absolutedly, deliver that respect ? EARNED respect ? 1287395;1443519582;mircea_popescu;"we're poor, hungry and tired" "so what do you want ?" "more work." 1287396;1443519592;HeySteve;perhaps the concept of earned has been destroyed by handouts 1287397;1443519603;mircea_popescu;concepts can't be destroyed. 1287398;1443519612;HeySteve;well, in their minds 1287399;1443519623;mircea_popescu;i guess handouts rot the brain. 1287400;1443519661;HeySteve;"what you subsidise you get more of, what you tax you get less of" 1287401;1443519674;HeySteve;state has been subsidising failure for decades 1287402;1443519686;HeySteve;and of course, taxing success 1287403;1443519757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19592 @ 0.00071265 = 13.9622 BTC [+] {2} 1287404;1443519818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23142 @ 0.00071521 = 16.5514 BTC [+] 1287405;1443519895;HeySteve;a good example is welfare for single mothers, previously spawning bastards was socially-discouraged for good reason 1287406;1443519942;HeySteve;then the state got involved and illegitimacy rates (which are strongly correlated with criminality) skyrocketed 1287407;1443520062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67450 @ 0.00070756 = 47.7249 BTC [-] {3} 1287408;1443520067;mircea_popescu;http://fredoneverything.org/thumpathumpthump-here-come-trump-pols-have-knickers-in-knot/ << his piece on trump is quite well put. 1287409;1443520069;assbot;Thumpathumpthump, Here Come Trump: Pols Have Knickers in Knot | Fred On Everything ... ( http://bit.ly/1h6l1VU ) 1287410;1443520078;mircea_popescu;HeySteve what's the good reason ? 1287411;1443520184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61982 @ 0.00070744 = 43.8485 BTC [-] {3} 1287412;1443520227;HeySteve;it's related to what you said about gender roles, with no father to do quality control you get bad outcomes 1287413;1443520280;mircea_popescu;so why do you propose to fix what's working ? 1287414;1443520311;mircea_popescu;those women on welfare, with a dozen kids, ARE doing their job, right ? and splendidly at that, natality ain't easy. 1287415;1443520319;mircea_popescu;(and if you think it is - go ahead and try it.) 1287416;1443520359;HeySteve;it's population inflation 1287417;1443520383;mircea_popescu;"inflation" only makes sense in a fungible space. 1287418;1443520387;mircea_popescu;humans aren't fungible. 1287419;1443520426;mircea_popescu;to put that objection in more practically comprehensible terms : if you live in a village of 100, the prettiest girl you ever see in your life will be ugly. 1287420;1443520430;HeySteve;well, dominant ideology says there fungible 1287421;1443520434;mircea_popescu;if you live in a country of 1mn, you'll see some passible ass. 1287422;1443520438;HeySteve;they're* 1287423;1443520445;mircea_popescu;in a world of a billion, you will never ever reach the end of breathtaking. 1287424;1443520533;HeySteve;well, debt-based system requires endless growth, of population and everything else 1287425;1443520558;mircea_popescu;that's a whole other conundrum 1287426;1443520572;HeySteve;so if middle-class aren't reproducing like they used to, subsidise reproduction of lower class 1287427;1443520587;HeySteve;but this debases the "population supply" eventually 1287428;1443520650;HeySteve;I guess you can bring in waves of immigrants too and hope they take out a load of home and car loans 1287429;1443520701;mircea_popescu;reproduction and class are strictly unrelated considerations. in fact, they do not even share any common space at all - there isn't a way to define "class" so that reproduction can be made meaningful or vice-versa. 1287430;1443520701;HeySteve;but the ultimate result is Idiocracy world 1287431;1443520714;mircea_popescu;specifically : do you know how many ottoman sultans had wives ? 1287432;1443520733;HeySteve;no idea, weren't they more about harems? 1287433;1443520763;mircea_popescu;exactly. with the exception of roxy the kidnapped ukrainian, two centuries of high class progeny was carried on the bosoms and thigs of SLAVES. 1287434;1443520783;mircea_popescu;lowest caste women could perfectly finely spawn highest caste men. there's absolutely no relation between class and reproduction. 1287435;1443520802;HeySteve;hmm roxanna, I've heard that story somewhere. I think in an old Sean Connery movie... 1287436;1443520827;mircea_popescu;and she BECAME a free woman. in her lifetime. which is barely lowest -1. 1287437;1443520849;mircea_popescu;roughly equivalent to "naturalized illegal alien" or somesuch today. 1287438;1443520856;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, ok well what I mean is that birth rates are low or negative in developed countries 1287439;1443520872;mircea_popescu;like what, china ? 1287440;1443520876;mircea_popescu;is china developed ? 1287441;1443520899;HeySteve;erm, partially I'd say 1287442;1443520960;mircea_popescu;well then i dunno what you mean. the us has had low birth rate since before it was "developed", ie a century ago. england has had low birth rate throughout it's four centuries of being developed. china had lower birth rate in its undeveloped 80s than it does today. 1287443;1443520963;HeySteve;I think they only hit demographic problems around 2030 or so whereas EU, USA and Japan are already there 1287444;1443521008;HeySteve;well low birth rate is ok imo, it's when it falls below replacement level that ponzis like social security start going bust 1287445;1443521009;mircea_popescu;some races compete on spawn. western european folk (not to be confused with white folk, or for that matter with caucasians) do not. 1287446;1443521021;HeySteve;true, they're more about education 1287447;1443521034;mircea_popescu;there's even a line delineating the "poorly productive females" half of europe, and it was drawn in the 1800s 1287448;1443521077;mircea_popescu;it's not clear that "they're more about education" , or that their cunts just don't work worth a crap. 1287449;1443521101;mircea_popescu;that given, gotta figure something out to survive, and hey, education may be it. 1287450;1443521175;HeySteve;well, there are physiological factors relating to ease of childbirth 1287451;1443521185;HeySteve;and also developmental differences in the offspring 1287452;1443521210;mircea_popescu;yeah. but even the western yurpeans favour narrow waists and wide butts. 1287453;1443521217;HeySteve;also cultural differences in the emphasis placed on parenting and education 1287454;1443521244;mircea_popescu;those differences drastically favour the jews, india and china. perhaps in that order. 1287455;1443521245;HeySteve;of course, state has gotten into the parenting and schooling game in a big way, so things are distorted there 1287456;1443521307;HeySteve;well, it's hard to say how the world will go and which reproductive strategies will be selected for 1287457;1443521325;mircea_popescu;which is perhaps why it's a big idea to stop pestering people. 1287458;1443521338;mircea_popescu;woman has 12 kids and feeds them off 2k income ? good for her. 1287459;1443521347;HeySteve;in a nasty war situation for eg. all that education and child-rearing effort is likely to come to nothing on the battlefield 1287460;1443521418;mircea_popescu;who knows. the venetians spent all their time training the girls to be whores, lost to charles on the field then won in the bedroom. 1287461;1443521709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77591 @ 0.00071908 = 55.7941 BTC [+] {6} 1287462;1443521803;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3monji/vitalik_buttering_author_of_ethereum_cannot_even/ << i lolled. 1287463;1443521804;assbot;Vitalik Buttering, author of Ethereum, cannot even figure out how to give out beta test rewards with his own smart contracts, so opts for manual copypasting of Reddit comments with random hex digits in them instead. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1h6pg3Y ) 1287464;1443522005;HeySteve;I can't believe people put 37k BTC in that 1287465;1443522065;mircea_popescu;this would be mostly because "people" didn't put 37k in that. 1287466;1443522091;HeySteve;I was looking for a way to do multi-sig with coins pegged to fiat or PM, so investigated Ethereum 1287467;1443522115;HeySteve;seemed confusing and unfocused, got the impression they have no businesspeople involved 1287468;1443522136;HeySteve;who put in the 37k? 1287469;1443522201;mircea_popescu;the whole "ethereum" story is, mr alienface and some junior profs at umaryland scammed that university for a little space and morning coffees ; he lied about the few hundred BTC available as being tens of thousands, and did some fraudulent moves to "prove" this ; he lied about "expenses" to explain why the capital he claimed to have doesn't in fact exist (but hey, he "spent it" for ethereum, which is good and builds ma 1287470;1443522201;mircea_popescu;rket value, right ? notwithstanding that mp has nixed ripple back when it was still called colored coins, and notwithstanding that this ripple reimplementation is even failful-er than the previous one). 1287471;1443522215;mircea_popescu;altogether a marginally better showing than garza's "buyout at $20" plan. 1287472;1443522223;mircea_popescu;about the same budget. 1287473;1443522258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00070744 = 20.5865 BTC [-] 1287474;1443522291;mircea_popescu;they've mostly (80% or so) burned through the ~10k actual dollars they had available for this highschool play, which is about what you'd exp[ect for six months' entertainment 1287475;1443522293;mircea_popescu;moving on. 1287476;1443522315;HeySteve;hmm. well it's looking like you called another one. what do you think about BitShares? it looks like it can do what I want but seems a little too good to be true 1287477;1443522356;mircea_popescu;just another offshot branch off the same nonsense tree. 1287478;1443522378;mircea_popescu;and with that, ima go eulora. bbl! 1287479;1443522383;HeySteve;enjoy 1287480;1443522990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184500 @ 0.00070695 = 130.4323 BTC [-] {6} 1287481;1443524576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00070617 = 8.9684 BTC [-] 1287482;1443524820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17555 @ 0.00071752 = 12.5961 BTC [+] 1287483;1443525735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.0007047 = 25.0169 BTC [-] {3} 1287484;1443526528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28880 @ 0.00071529 = 20.6576 BTC [+] {3} 1287485;1443528199;mircea_popescu;!up kyrre 1287486;1443528331;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287262 << hehe. bare ankles in housewives really bothers old whores. 1287487;1443528331;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 02:15:33; trinque: the nerve of trying to make the argument that what we're seeing in the world today is *russian* military adventurism 1287488;1443528377;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287284 << i would guess this is what the anton story morphed into. 1287489;1443528377;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 04:25:15; punkman: mircea_popescu: Since Ether went live he has disappeared and refused to discuss the issue anymore, and it is unlikely anyone could've collected from him at any point. << and they didn't even have the anton story? 1287490;1443528436;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP722YKU8AAqoD2.png:large << clearly, more pki is the solution to pki. 1287491;1443528437;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h5HnH5 ) 1287492;1443528595;mircea_popescu;"The intelligence official, identified as William George Basil, was accused of espionage and eavesdropping. But by then he had already left the country, and the U.S. government, as it has done for the past 10 years, continues to stonewall Greek authorities on the agencys involvement." 1287493;1443528621;mircea_popescu;hey, romania still has an unsatisfied arrest warrant for some us derp that got drunk and ran over some relatively popular singer guy. 1287494;1443528667;mircea_popescu;i would suspect there's more random common law criminals being shielded by the usg from various jurisdictions than there are successful prosecutions in any given year. 1287495;1443528785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00070922 = 8.4043 BTC [-] 1287496;1443529334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00071937 = 11.474 BTC [+] {3} 1287497;1443529822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21404 @ 0.00070922 = 15.1801 BTC [-] 1287498;1443529912;mircea_popescu;a question for the mathematically inclined practical minds in the audience : 1287499;1443529950;mircea_popescu;let there be a monotonous measurable system S. let Mi be measurements made at moments-in-time Ti. let average-per-unit-time delta values be reported for each Ti as Ai = (Mi - Mi-1) / (Ti - Ti-1). let an arbitrary "reporting unit" R be defined so that a finite count of Ti fit in each such unit Rj. Let Ais be plainly averaged so that A' = (Ak +...+ Am) / (m-k) where k, m are the first and last i's for Tis fitting in Rj. 1287500;1443529950;mircea_popescu;what would you say the "intuitive meaning" of A'j is ? 1287501;1443530310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2291 @ 0.00070922 = 1.6248 BTC [-] 1287502;1443530676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00071954 = 16.9092 BTC [+] {3} 1287503;1443530859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00072097 = 38.68 BTC [+] {4} 1287504;1443531591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 775344 @ 0.00070371 = 545.6173 BTC [-] {17} 1287505;1443531652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 724656 @ 0.00070039 = 507.5418 BTC [-] {12} 1287506;1443531713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4911 @ 0.00069946 = 3.435 BTC [-] 1287507;1443531774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.000699 = 20.97 BTC [-] 1287508;1443532568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.000699 = 18.6284 BTC [-] 1287509;1443532689;mircea_popescu;o.O 1287510;1443532708;mircea_popescu;check it out, ethereum needed moneyz so it sold its s.mpoe participation. 1287511;1443532711;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5682494208/hE78C470E/ 1287512;1443532711;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIaDyn ) 1287513;1443533260;mircea_popescu;"Global terrorism is extreme both in its lack of realistic goals and in its cynical exploitation of the vulnerability of complex systems." 1287514;1443533276;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha habermas is not quite as smart as previously believed. 1287515;1443533291;mircea_popescu;hint : a world without complex systems IS a realistic goal. in point of fact, it is the baseline in realism. 1287516;1443533299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63050 @ 0.000699 = 44.072 BTC [+] 1287517;1443533543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.000699 = 25.0242 BTC [+] 1287518;1443534361;funkenstein_;good morning radical critics 1287519;1443534370;funkenstein_;hey that looks like a smoothed derivative 1287520;1443534441;funkenstein_;"Just like every moral-panic flavoured intellectual fashion of a mostly idle and broadly useless population, this nonsense is not here to stay." <-- nice :) 1287521;1443535145;HeySteve;http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/glenron.jpg 1287522;1443535146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoCeYr ) 1287523;1443535148;*;mircea_popescu waves 1287524;1443535156;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ "smoothed" ? 1287525;1443535158;HeySteve;hi 1287526;1443535432;funkenstein_;yeah? one way to describe time averaged is smoothed, so as to not show the variations that happen over short times 1287527;1443535524;funkenstein_;Hey HeySteve 1287528;1443535576;funkenstein_;kinda like a bandpass filter of sorts to get rid of high frequency stuff 1287529;1443535910;mircea_popescu;well sure, but... 1287530;1443535951;mircea_popescu;there's no actual guarantee A' is smoother than A. 1287531;1443535973;mircea_popescu;in fact the smoothness comparison is a decent indication of the entropy involved. 1287532;1443536102;funkenstein_;aha, yeah i can see it 1287533;1443536267;funkenstein_;it is said that in chaotic systems power goes from low frequencies to high frequencies 1287534;1443536482;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1287535;1443536489;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. how's lyf alf ? 1287536;1443536497;ascii_field;busy 1287537;1443536511;*;ascii_field pulls on oar 1287538;1443536513;funkenstein_;!up thestringpuller 1287539;1443536545;mircea_popescu;merrily merrily merrily 1287540;1443536550;thestringpuller;ascii_field: Been looking for your "rules" on trustworthy computing on your blog... 1287541;1443536551;mircea_popescu;lyf is but a dreaaammmm 1287542;1443536579;thestringpuller;nvm found it 1287543;1443536654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46337 @ 0.00069881 = 32.3808 BTC [-] {3} 1287544;1443536702;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu is in a good mood this morning 1287545;1443536769;mircea_popescu;them's be fightin' words 1287546;1443536790;funkenstein_;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/10NN603.txt 1287547;1443536791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoHN94 ) 1287548;1443536792;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1287549;1443536866;mircea_popescu;o hey look at that. 1287550;1443536870;mircea_popescu;waht are those worth even ? 1287551;1443536915;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.0000249 * 333333 1287552;1443536916;gribble;8.2999917 1287553;1443536918;mircea_popescu;o.O 1287554;1443536943;mircea_popescu;how can i be this fuckign rich ? 1287555;1443536979;funkenstein_;lol 1287556;1443536997;funkenstein_;probably missing a zero somewhere 1287557;1443537013;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 1287558;1443537018;gribble;qntra.net is up 1287559;1443537033;thestringpuller;can anyone in US hit qntra? 1287560;1443537059;funkenstein_;not loading here 1287561;1443537063;mircea_popescu;oh wait wrong one. 1287562;1443537068;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00000595 * 333333 1287563;1443537068;gribble;1.98333135 1287564;1443537071;mircea_popescu;still. 1287565;1443537124;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess qntra ddoser got his monthly allowance or w/e that is. 1287566;1443537191;thestringpuller;i can hit it from VPN tho 1287567;1443537203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.000699 = 17.5799 BTC [+] 1287568;1443537813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.000699 = 14.0849 BTC [+] 1287569;1443538247;punkman;http://www.codex99.com/illustration/56.html 1287570;1443538248;assbot;The Ultimate Alphabet ... ( http://bit.ly/1L294wD ) 1287571;1443539072;mircea_popescu;http://www.nationalhumanservices.org/what-is-human-services <<< if only this were as fake as it looks. 1287572;1443539074;assbot;What is Human Services? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJBTy7 ) 1287573;1443539090;mircea_popescu;if you're curious as to where the endless scams draw their vigour from... you need look no further than government. 1287574;1443539091;mircea_popescu;of course. 1287575;1443539460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.000699 = 14.8887 BTC [+] 1287576;1443539948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59307 @ 0.00069821 = 41.4087 BTC [-] {4} 1287577;1443540558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00069774 = 12.35 BTC [-] 1287578;1443542083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3838 @ 0.00069774 = 2.6779 BTC [-] 1287579;1443542449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11826 @ 0.00069764 = 8.2503 BTC [-] 1287580;1443542479;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1287581;1443542511;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-09-2015#1286918 << must point out that this is easily fixed with drill, often - with bare hands; and that i have yet to meet anyone who actually ~uses~ shower head which came with his house or flat - they go in the rubbish, to be replaced by proper one with hose 1287582;1443542511;assbot;Logged on 28-09-2015 08:50:25; mircea_popescu: (and random discussion YET AGAIN undercovers the well lied about ustardian poverty. hey random schmuck, did you know your DAD could afford 5x the water that may be wasted on your stupid head ? forged granpa.) 1287583;1443542937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45450 @ 0.00069759 = 31.7055 BTC [-] 1287584;1443543242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55350 @ 0.00069893 = 38.6858 BTC [+] {2} 1287585;1443543364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00069661 = 31.2778 BTC [-] {5} 1287586;1443543425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00069634 = 40.3181 BTC [-] 1287587;1443543646;BingoBoingo; problem is the stockpile keeps getting drunk. << I believe the concept is "inventory buffer" 1287588;1443543791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.000699 = 19.9215 BTC [+] 1287589;1443544031;ascii_field;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/09/american-allies-in-syria-their-shameful.html << from the l0lpharms 1287590;1443544032;assbot;ClubOrlov: American “allies” in Syria: their shameful performance is perfectly explainable ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAIWbY ) 1287591;1443544127;ascii_field;'Generally speaking, any authentic-looking towelhead who is able to intelligibly pronounce the word "democracy" has a chance to receive financing and weapons. But nobody has any control over where he will then go with these weapons. By the way, Soviet intelligence services of the Brezhnev era had the same problem, latching onto any tribal chieftain who knew how to pronounce words like "Marx" and "Lenin."' 1287592;1443544706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00069634 = 36.3489 BTC [-] 1287593;1443544708;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1287594;1443544718;ascii_field;'The Pentagon didn't notice the moment when blowing up defenseless, demoralized adversaries using cruise missiles stopped being the only method for waging war. And now it is very difficult to appraise the real capabilities of the huge bulk of the US Army or Marine Corps, should they ever encounter an enemy that is approximately equal to them in technical capabilities.' 1287595;1443545491;ascii_field;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/28/confederate-flag-on-ga-kids-backpack-leads-to-scho 1287596;1443545492;assbot;Confederate flag on Ga. kid's backpack leads to school lockdown - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdXdN9 ) 1287597;1443546028;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Lol, counseling upon the student's return 1287598;1443546048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42650 @ 0.000699 = 29.8124 BTC [+] 1287599;1443546301;mircea_popescu;ascii_field sure but also not really teh point is i. 1287600;1443546302;mircea_popescu;it* 1287601;1443546312;mircea_popescu;soviets also stole from "the property of the whole people" 1287602;1443546330;ascii_field;re: which 1287603;1443546334;ascii_field;? 1287604;1443546337;mircea_popescu;drill fix 1287605;1443546341;ascii_field;aha 1287606;1443546346;ascii_field;direct analogue is the 'cheater' 1287607;1443546358;ascii_field;a device which screwed in place of a light bulb, circa 1920s 1287608;1443546361;mircea_popescu;aha 1287609;1443546362;ascii_field;creating an illicit mains socket. 1287610;1443546386;ascii_field;to ~this day~ we call it a жулик (fraudster) 1287611;1443546447;ascii_field;more commonly, a splitter of one mains socket into 3+ 1287612;1443546467;ascii_field;is 'cheater' - even in english-speaking lands. from this i surmise that they, too, once had 'headcount' fees on mains socket 1287613;1443546590;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1287614;1443546597;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://pro-radio.ru/technology/9509-26 << modern incarnation. 1287615;1443546598;assbot;Маленькие полезняшки ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdZN5F ) 1287616;1443546624;ascii_field;http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/2/73/798/73798563_4205816_Foto004.jpg << handmade. 1287617;1443546625;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdZPKQ ) 1287618;1443546626;mircea_popescu;iirc you could get hard time for that. 1287619;1443546632;ascii_field;quite certain. 1287620;1443546687;BingoBoingo; iirc you could get hard time for that. << Only if you are a licensed contractor. 1287621;1443546710;mircea_popescu;nah i mean in the original country. 1287622;1443546716;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'Не знаю в точности, как городские постройки подключались к электростанции, но по сохранившемуся случайно «Абонементу на право пользования электрической энергией», можно увидеть, что наш дом был подключён к электросетям с 2 1287623;1443546716;ascii_field;0 января 1950 года, разрешение было выдано только на электролампочки, сначала на одну в 50 вт, а постепенно мощность увеличивалась...' >> http://www.novozybkov.ru/beads/article/106 << history of this 1287624;1443546718;assbot;Городские электростанции Новозыбкова и детство на Тёплом ручье ... ( http://bit.ly/1Re01cT ) 1287625;1443546799;ascii_field;'i do not know for sure how the city buildings connected to the power plant, but the accidentally preserved 'testament to the right to utilize the mains grid energy', you can see that our home was connected to the mains on 20 january 1950, and the permit was written ~only~ for light bulbs, starting with 50 watt, then progressing to 145... 1287626;1443546800;ascii_field;' 1287627;1443546850;ascii_field;'... no other electrical appliances were permitted, and inspectors made their rounds to see; but people went to great lengths to deceive...' 1287628;1443546855;mircea_popescu;'The Pentagon didn't notice the moment when blowing up defenseless, demoralized adversaries using cruise missiles stopped being the only method for waging war.' << this was never the fucking case wtf narrative bs is this. 1287629;1443546899;ascii_field;it was the pentagon way 1287630;1443546900;mircea_popescu;and the reaso nit is "very difficulty" to appraise the "capabilites" of us army/navy/etc is because they are nil. anmd the reason they are nil is exactly the same reason the intellectual abilities of college grads are nil. 1287631;1443546906;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it never was. 1287632;1443546929;mircea_popescu;the day they decided to fret over "transgenderism" instead of beating kids for sport is the day performance went away 1287633;1443546932;ascii_field;except it was iron bombs for most of 20th 1287634;1443546933;ascii_field;c 1287635;1443546945;mircea_popescu;no it wasn't. dude, srsly... they had a fucking draft for vietnam. 1287636;1443546947;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it went away in vietnam and there were only men fighting 1287637;1443546956;mircea_popescu;at no point was the pentagon idea that war is won by anything other than fucking guts. 1287638;1443546990;ascii_field;vietnam is where they 'we shall win by dropping 4 million tonnes of trotyl' 1287639;1443546995;ascii_field;'hey it worked in ww2' 1287640;1443547009;mircea_popescu;no it wasn't, and no it didn't nor was it even treied or contempalted in ww2. 1287641;1443547017;mircea_popescu;wtf rewriting of military history is this! 1287642;1443547029;ascii_field;tet offensive ? 1287643;1443547037;mircea_popescu;yeah, and day z. 1287644;1443547053;ascii_field;operation linebacker ? 1287645;1443547082;ascii_field;ianag. 1287646;1443547085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37730 @ 0.00069866 = 26.3604 BTC [-] {2} 1287647;1443547086;ascii_field;(... not a general) 1287648;1443547125;mircea_popescu;tet was an... infantry operation. 1287649;1443547131;mircea_popescu;what sort of example is this ? 1287650;1443547158;ascii_field;iirc americans tried to massage with aerial bombardment prior 1287651;1443547171;ascii_field;expensively, copiously, but uselessly 1287652;1443547188;mircea_popescu;it was a communist offensive. 1287653;1443547206;ascii_field;and mircea_popescu is right, i was thinking in reality of the Christmas Offensive 1287654;1443547209;mircea_popescu;the us army and south vietnamese were at first inept but then regrouped and turned it into a disaster for the northeners 1287655;1443547210;ascii_field;not the tet 1287656;1443547215;mircea_popescu;this is that! 1287657;1443547221;mircea_popescu;tet = xmas in vietnamese 1287658;1443547223;mircea_popescu;or was it new year 1287659;1443547226;ascii_field;new year 1287660;1443547230;ascii_field;hence my brainfart. 1287661;1443547230;mircea_popescu;ah ok right. 1287662;1443547243;ascii_field;america called it 'operation linebacker 2.' 1287663;1443547269;mircea_popescu;anyway, attempts to win wars by artillery have been ongoing ever since someone observed cca 1600 that cannon is the major batterfield KILLER. 1287664;1443547278;mircea_popescu;this is not unlike observing that the penis is the major bedroom inseminator. 1287665;1443547287;mircea_popescu;sure it is, doesn't mean perambulating cocks will score that many dates. 1287666;1443547707;phf;http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/os-x-10-11-el-capitan-the-ars-technica-review/8/ << oh boy mac os x new "System Integrity Protection" 1287667;1443547708;assbot;OS X 10.11 El Capitan: The Ars Technica Review | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZhniH ) 1287668;1443547729;phf;"The end result is that in El Cap, root is no longer an account with effectively unlimited access to either the file system or to memory and running processes. SIP places kernel-level checks on root’s privilege that can only be bypassed by the kernel itself." 1287669;1443547730;mircea_popescu;is that good for applecoin ? 1287670;1443547733;phf;"SIP consists of four major features: 1287671;1443547734;phf;Protected locations cannot be written to by root. 1287672;1443547734;phf;Protected system processes cannot be attached to with a debugger and cannot be subject to code injection. 1287673;1443547735;phf;All kernel extensions must now be signed (and old methods for disabling kernel extension signing are gone). 1287674;1443547737;phf;SIP cannot be disabled from within the operating system, only from the OS X Recovery partition." 1287675;1443547752;ascii_field;l0l!!! 1287676;1443547756;ascii_field;this is straight from microshit ! 1287677;1443547771;phf;"The inclusion of OS X default applications in the list [some list of SIP locations --phf] means that they inherit the same file system protections as any other SIP location—if you want to delete Mail.app because you only use your third-party mail application, you’re out of luck." 1287678;1443547772;ascii_field;https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn613955(v=vs.85).aspx << as in. 1287679;1443547774;assbot;Kernel patch protection: frequently asked questions - Windows 10 hardware dev ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZhx9F ) 1287680;1443547790;mircea_popescu;ahahah what is this bs 1287681;1443547836;phf;"Attempting to inject libraries into system binaries will result in an error. Even trying to poke into a protected process with DTRACE will fail—probes that try to target protected processes will fail to match, and no interaction with the kernel will be visible, and protected memory space will be simply inaccessible. Not even LLDB will be useful. You won’t be able to invoke it on system processes, regardless of root privilege." 1287682;1443547843;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: microshit had this for years. kernel is filled with boobytraps that cross-checksum each other, like any good malware 1287683;1443547849;ascii_field;all drivers must be rsa-signed; 1287684;1443547862;ascii_field;any attempt to patch kernel that is detected (and the traps move around) hangs the box 1287685;1443547869;ascii_field;oh and they like to shuffle'em on updates 1287686;1443547878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00069634 = 4.6655 BTC [-] 1287687;1443547886;BingoBoingo; All kernel extensions must now be signed (and old methods for disabling kernel extension signing are gone). << lol, http://qntra.net/2015/08/os-x-flaw-in-the-wild-abuses-error-logging-function-to-edit-sudoers/ 1287688;1443547887;assbot;OS X Flaw in the Wild Abuses Error Logging Function to Edit sudoers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SET9Kh ) 1287689;1443547906;mircea_popescu;derp. 1287690;1443547916;mircea_popescu;so why would anyone "upgrade" ? 1287691;1443547919;ascii_field;forced. 1287692;1443547933;ascii_field;also betcha this will drive sales of hardware debuggerz through the roof. 1287693;1443548003;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "forced" 1287694;1443548031;phf;this is dr. strangelove level of problem solving right there 1287695;1443548032;ascii_field;as in 'no upgrade, proggies bought in the store won't run, latest Pnohe won't sync, etc' 1287696;1443548056;ascii_field;and/or networked boxes 'upgrade' themselves at night. 1287697;1443548093;mircea_popescu;i dunno about any of that 1287698;1443548101;mircea_popescu;but then again i never really owned a mac so whatevs. 1287699;1443548110;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: these things are sop 1287700;1443548117;ascii_field;esp. post-steve-j 1287701;1443548159;mircea_popescu;i thought the trend was towards rooted iphones not the other way around 1287702;1443548194;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: these are a very funny joke on their own. WITHOUT EXCEPTION all 'rooters' are closed-source gigantic blobs that do fuck-knows-what to the pnohe 1287703;1443548206;ascii_field;this is justified by the author as 'we don't want crapple to fix it too quickly' 1287704;1443548236;ascii_field;and true enough, when it is finally reversed, they close the hole. 1287705;1443548264;mircea_popescu;what do you mean hole ? 1287706;1443548274;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking processor on a board with a disk and a ram stick innit ? 1287707;1443548276;ascii_field;the exploit which allowed the pnohe to be 'jailbroken' 1287708;1443548291;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it has rsa sig checker in mask rom which runs on reset 1287709;1443548300;ascii_field;this makes it more like 'nintendo' than computer. 1287710;1443548303;mircea_popescu;so you drill it out i guess 1287711;1443548310;ascii_field;so 'jailbreak' requires some finesse 1287712;1443548314;ascii_field;go drill it out of the die ! 1287713;1443548322;mircea_popescu;the cpu die ? 1287714;1443548324;ascii_field;why did you think apple makes own silicon ! 1287715;1443548328;mircea_popescu;heh. 1287716;1443548343;ascii_field;it is quite analogous to a nintendo or playstation etc. 1287717;1443548350;mircea_popescu;so basically apple is the sony corp of america sorta thing mkay. 1287718;1443548357;ascii_field;long ago. 1287719;1443548363;ascii_field;steve j. even wrote this. 1287720;1443548375;ascii_field;(he was consciously and unabashedly enamored of sony) 1287721;1443548461;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1287722;1443548540;ascii_field;'OS X users who depend upon unsigned KEXTs for extra functionality—be it third-party hardware with unsigned drivers or software like OSXFuse that depends upon unsigned kernel extensions—will have precisely two alternatives: stop using the applications or hardware until the developers provide signed KEXTs, or disable SIP altogether.' << hello winblows 7 ! 1287723;1443548551;ascii_field;clearly this is what apple users pined for 1287724;1443548558;ascii_field;this mega-'feature' of microturd 1287725;1443548586;ascii_field;you don't need that mass-spectrometer! it didn't come with signed driver! 1287726;1443548650;mircea_popescu;i thought you couldn't disable sip altogether ? 1287727;1443548663;ascii_field;apparently you can, similar to microshit's 'test mode' 1287728;1443548700;mircea_popescu;i find it comedic that for all the "well documented" flaws of rsa, all these "take over the world" computing schemes fail to use ECC. 1287729;1443548720;mircea_popescu;somehow this is supposed to not be gallingly obvious or what ? 1287730;1443548747;ascii_field;https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Pwnage << correct. rsa. 1287731;1443548748;assbot;Pwnage - The iPhone Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Re4uMH ) 1287732;1443548779;ascii_field;the most pedestrian hypothesis here is that rsa is considerably easier to implement. 1287733;1443548805;ascii_field;(though still not easy !) 1287734;1443548811;mircea_popescu;"WoW !!! Mircea Popescu is back. Not only on Trilema, but also on Twitter" 1287735;1443548816;mircea_popescu;wut the fuck are the derps on about ? 1287736;1443548848;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: in their imaginary universe, you took the money and ran in 2011, then came back N more times to somehow also take the money and run each.' 1287737;1443548875;phf;around 2g/3g you still had "linux on iphone" projects and such. i think there was one project to recreate part of iphone stuck by combining opensource apple code and writing what's missing. this is of course long history. 1287738;1443548880;mircea_popescu;right, it was the buterins of the world that are permanent. 1287739;1443548899;mircea_popescu;phf you mean stack ? 1287740;1443548903;ascii_field;'the car bomb exploded. the mechanic cursed and pulled on another wire. the car bomb exploded again, with greater violence. windows rattled, dogs barked. 'you definitely have a car bomb, sir, i can tell you that now!' he muttered.' 1287741;1443548937;phf;yes, but this is somehow a freudian slip 1287742;1443548997;mircea_popescu;lol 1287743;1443549100;punkman;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a52_1441716598 1287744;1443549101;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Peru: Grenade blows policeman’s hands off in Lima school attack *GRAPHIC* ... ( http://bit.ly/1Re5ccM ) 1287745;1443549150;mircea_popescu;wwwwwait... 1287746;1443549155;mircea_popescu;who was attacking what ? 1287747;1443549169;mircea_popescu;"grenade blows standoff" 1287748;1443549450;phf;there was a period when apple was not this outright hostile to hackers. around 10.4-10.5 you could still rebuild darwin (i did it for a bit to work around the retarded execl argument list length limitations) or bsd user space from apple hosted source. even cocoa userspace had all kinds of hooks that you could use to customize the os, like inputmanager bundles 1287749;1443549464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40361 @ 0.00069634 = 28.105 BTC [-] 1287750;1443549500;ascii_field;phf: iirc they closed the kernel source a while ago. 1287751;1443549511;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/6faf034ca9ce9ec0deda67bc8840f5d4/tumblr_nu5t8abUsh1uvvy5ro1_500.gif 1287752;1443549514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZleMx ) 1287753;1443549618;phf;ascii_field: around the same time that they started focusing on iphone. in fact it looked like they were pulling the libraries one by one as custom iphone optimization were making their way in 1287754;1443549669;mircea_popescu;is this more or less just as jobs was going out ? 1287755;1443549683;ascii_field;iirc it began when he first took ill 1287756;1443549692;mircea_popescu;aha 1287757;1443549700;ascii_field;and rolled out shortly when corpse was cold. 1287758;1443549754;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny how things are set up. the faitful always mistake the butresses of their chosen as mere weakness of the flesh that they, true templars, will find the courage and rectitude to straighten out 1287759;1443549767;mircea_popescu;then the whole echafaudage collapses ion a cloud of wtf and wchp 1287760;1443549891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00069576 = 36.7013 BTC [-] {5} 1287761;1443550007;funkenstein_;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/28/mobile_malvertiser_ddos_javascript_drip_serves_site_with_45_billion_hits/ <-- more cannons 1287762;1443550008;assbot;Mobile advertising DDoS JavaScript drip serves site with 4.5bn hits • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZmT4P ) 1287763;1443550099;funkenstein_;copypaste can confirm the story? 1287764;1443550135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.000699 = 5.1377 BTC [+] 1287765;1443550562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350000 @ 0.00069516 = 243.306 BTC [-] {8} 1287766;1443550629;ben_vulpes;;;isup wiki.bitcoin-assets.com 1287767;1443550630;gribble;wiki.bitcoin-assets.com is up 1287768;1443550639;ben_vulpes;nonsense i say 1287769;1443550660;ben_vulpes;;;later tell kakobrekla "coracle": 54.187.227.228 1287770;1443550661;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1287771;1443550666;ben_vulpes;s'il vous plait 1287772;1443550684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51970 @ 0.00069329 = 36.0303 BTC [-] {4} 1287773;1443550801;kakobrekla;added 1287774;1443551050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.0006915 = 33.5723 BTC [-] 1287775;1443553339;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu davout jurov: Look, now people are copying another MPEx tool, behold fake X.EUR https://archive.is/bTvNG 1287776;1443553340;assbot;New Bitcoin Product Launch on Nasdaq by XBT Provider - Press Release ... ( http://bit.ly/1YMM5vx ) 1287777;1443554387;jurov;BingoBoingo: nasdaq accepts eur deposits? 1287778;1443554395;jurov;errrrr 1287779;1443554402;jurov;nasdaq accepts btc deposits? 1287780;1443554432;BingoBoingo;Some Nasdaq venture apparently is creating BTC certificates denominated in EUR, all on paper 1287781;1443554464;BingoBoingo;Not all of Nasdaq, just some venture listed there 1287782;1443554532;jurov;this is not at all comparable to x.eur 1287783;1443554588;jurov;it's for people who want to invest in btc without actually buying any 1287784;1443554641;jurov;x.eur is for people who start with btc 1287785;1443554666;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1287786;1443554693;ascii_field;jurov: but somebody gotta serve the folks who want to work with amero^H^H^H^Husg^H^H^Husc 1287787;1443554716;ascii_field;(see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2013#379804 ) 1287788;1443554716;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2013 17:33:07; asciilifeform: replace 'bitdollar' with 'amero', for extra conspiratorial spice. 1287789;1443554725;BingoBoingo;jurov: Comparable in the sense sausage and turd may be compared as cylinders 1287790;1443554880;*;jurov waits till alf encounters the khazar mafia link 1287791;1443554891;ascii_field;eh, old hat 1287792;1443554895;jurov;inb4 "snore" 1287793;1443554900;jurov;doh, beat me 1287794;1443554917;ascii_field;жидомасоны (tm) (r) 1287795;1443554954;ascii_field;(approx. 'yid-masons.' the equivalent of 'illuminati' in ru blog varietyspeak) 1287796;1443555036;jurov;here жидобольшевик is more often used in such context 1287797;1443555047;ascii_field;l0l!! 1287798;1443555115;ascii_field;btw the masons - at least the ones that can be met with in usa - are perhaps the ultimate cargo cult. 1287799;1443555143;ascii_field;tremendously posh infrastructure still in place, but the regulars are - i have it on good authority - in their 70s and 80s 1287800;1443555164;trinque;I have a grandfather's freemason pin on a jacket; he was about that age when he passed away 1287801;1443555174;BingoBoingo; tremendously posh infrastructure still in place, but the regulars are - i have it on good authority - in their 70s and 80s << They still recruit. 1287802;1443555191;jurov;cargocult? what did they imitate? 1287803;1443555201;ascii_field;jurov: the masons. 1287804;1443555202;ascii_field;what else. 1287805;1443555210;ascii_field;just like usa imitates... usa 1287806;1443555216;ascii_field;the one in the ru vhs tapes 1287807;1443555229;ascii_field;and yes they recruit 1287808;1443555239;ascii_field;i knew a fella who signed up. he brewed beer. 1287809;1443555242;ascii_field;was very popular. 1287810;1443555249;phf;жидобольшевик? seems like saying the same thing twice 1287811;1443555273;*;phf throws hat and the ground and dances mazurka 1287812;1443555283;trinque;I recall my grandfather saying they weren't much more than a social club at the time I was asking 1287813;1443555381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00069069 = 26.6261 BTC [-] 1287814;1443555475;jurov;cargocult masonry aside, i surmised they invented structured discussion, i.e. it was clear at all times whose turn is to speak 1287815;1443555546;jurov;certainly very attractive to introverts 1287816;1443555596;ascii_field;if you ask'em they might even say they invented wheel, fire, structured programming, etc 1287817;1443555632;jurov;lolk 1287818;1443555637;trinque;"we dooooo" 1287819;1443555654;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OExykL5QnXY 1287820;1443555655;assbot;The Simpsons - We Do - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEIg8g ) 1287821;1443555677;ascii_field;obligatory montrezor: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-08-2015#1248984 1287822;1443555677;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 21:34:31; phf: "You? Impossible! A mason?" "A mason," I replied. "A sign," he said, "a sign." "It is this," I answered, producing from beneath the folds of my roquelaire a trowel. 1287823;1443555838;phf;^ i think it's such an exquisite stab at freemasonry. a brief fictional exchange reveals the absurdity of the entire "pretense" 1287824;1443555909;ascii_field;and 'riding the goat' is what, not absurd ? 1287825;1443555915;ascii_field;ritual ~has~ to be absurd. 1287826;1443555961;ascii_field;http://phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/goat_riding_tricycle.htm << see also. 1287827;1443555963;assbot;Goat Riding tricycle ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEIEUc ) 1287828;1443556018;phf;ahaha, i've not seen this 1287829;1443556037;ascii_field;'We leave the big piano shut and do not strike a note; / the doctor's been here seven times since father rode the goat.' 1287830;1443556069;ascii_field;'...He mutters passwords 'neath his breath, And other things he'll quote ---- / They surely had an evening's work when father rode the goat.' 1287831;1443556174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00069062 = 46.0644 BTC [-] {3} 1287832;1443556527;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1287833;1443556567;ascii_field;https://theintercept.com/2015/09/28/death-athens-rogue-nsa-operation << from the ministry of nailgun 1287834;1443556569;assbot;Did a Rogue NSA Operation Cause the Death of a Greek Telecom Employee? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEJtfF ) 1287835;1443556608;ascii_field;'...he went inside his brother’s apartment and saw Costas hanging from a rope tied to pipes above the lintel of his bathroom door, an old wooden chair nearby. He and his mother cut the rope and laid Costas down on the bed. The day before his death, Costas’ boss at Vodafone had ordered that a newly discovered code — a powerful and sophisticated bug — be deactivated and removed from its systems. The wiretap, 1287836;1443556609;ascii_field; placed by persons unknown, targeted more than 100 top officials, including then Prime Minister...' 1287837;1443556662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103867 @ 0.00068891 = 71.555 BTC [-] {6} 1287838;1443556784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00068822 = 27.3223 BTC [-] {2} 1287839;1443556833;ascii_field;for some reason, knockout drug + rope appears to be the favourite usg method for dispatching troublesome folks 1287840;1443556969;ascii_field;not hard to see the up-sides. by the time corpse turns up, it is in a condition where - even if someone were inclined to investigate (and who wants to be next corpse?) nothing could be said. 1287841;1443557036;phf;!up thestringpuller 1287842;1443557077;thestringpuller;ascii_field: could the sane computer be of von neuman architecture? or does that even matter? 1287843;1443557099;ascii_field;thestringpuller: i'd say it cannot. 1287844;1443557128;ascii_field;thestringpuller: do you know the political term 'unprincipled exception' ? 1287845;1443557146;ascii_field;~interrupts~ were an unprincipled exception when introduced to von n. arch. 1287846;1443557151;ascii_field;as were multi-processors. 1287847;1443557187;ascii_field;ditto dma. 1287848;1443557188;ascii_field;!s dma 1287849;1443557190;assbot;27 results for 'dma' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dma 1287850;1443557200;thestringpuller;Yea I also figure you aren't a fan of DMA 1287851;1443557207;ascii_field;the way these items are implemented is ~inherently~ retarded 1287852;1443557218;ascii_field;inescapably. 1287853;1443557220;thestringpuller;I figured so when using them in academia. 1287854;1443557239;thestringpuller;even on the gameboy the dma controllers are annoying as fuck 1287855;1443557245;ascii_field;you will notice that when folks are persevering with something retarded, you get 'epicycles' 1287856;1443557264;ascii_field;e.g., what happens when an interrupt happens during an interrupt, on your box? look it up, you may be surprised 1287857;1443557333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00068535 = 26.9 BTC [-] {2} 1287858;1443557345;thestringpuller;on the gameboy if you interrupt during and interrupt you get undefined behavior 1287859;1443557365;thestringpuller;the NDS makes it worse cause the two processors running on the thing run at different clock speeds 1287860;1443557381;ascii_field;on modern x86 there are elaborate queueing/prioritization kludges. 1287861;1443557393;thestringpuller;Yea, not so much on an ARM die. 1287862;1443557400;thestringpuller;ARM-based* 1287863;1443557455;thestringpuller;the sad thing about interrupts on nintendo's handhelds is its used for all the useful shit... 1287864;1443557467;ascii_field;on ~all~ extant machines 1287865;1443557526;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/cops.jpg << usg seek000rity detail for pope 1287866;1443557542;ascii_field;'can't have police state without police !' (tm) (r) (al schwartz) 1287867;1443557597;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: USG was prolly worried about all those sedevacantist extremists 1287868;1443557616;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: nah 1287869;1443557617;thestringpuller;ascii_field: ugh this brings back terrible memories. So what's the deal with interrupts like airplane food? 1287870;1443557647;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: more of what was seen at boston. show of force. 1287871;1443557671;ascii_field;precisely like the presidential forbidden city motorcades 1287872;1443557683;BingoBoingo;Sure to scare Luke-Jr and the rest of the Sedevacantists 1287873;1443557690;ascii_field;where they seal up restaurants with people trapped inside, stop cars at gunpoint for hours, BECAUSE THEY CAN 1287874;1443557695;ascii_field;and purely to rub it in. 1287875;1443557731;trinque;kenny loggins blaring from every black suburban 1287876;1443557739;ascii_field;it is ENTIRELY about 'we can do ANYTHING we like to you, and YOU can do NOTHING to us' 1287877;1443557741;trinque;check out tubby on the bicycle, lol 1287878;1443557796;thestringpuller;ascii_field: not nearly as bad as the LA Riots 1287879;1443557814;ascii_field;and since mircea_popescu appears to be sleeping, i will have to fill in for him and say 'this is what usians get for not being pashtuns!' aha. 1287880;1443557835;ascii_field;thestringpuller: the l.a. riots - won 1287881;1443557845;trinque;usians love this kind of thing 1287882;1443557856;thestringpuller;kinda...a lot of niggas got fucked up. 1287883;1443557859;thestringpuller;Compton is still "the hood" 1287884;1443557863;ascii_field;they won. 1287885;1443557877;ascii_field;in the sense that the rioters were not rounded up and hanged in gibbets in public square 1287886;1443557880;thestringpuller;They being the police? 1287887;1443557885;ascii_field;but instead there was 'controversy' 1287888;1443557929;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you ever seen the movie "The Warriors"? 1287889;1443557934;ascii_field;nope. 1287890;1443557984;thestringpuller;ascii_field: http://www.whysanity.net/monos/warriors.html << pertinent line 1287891;1443558004;ascii_field;http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/29/us/29nsa-foia.html#document/p16/a245624 << lulzy 1287892;1443558007;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEL5Gp ) 1287893;1443558042;thestringpuller;"You're standing right now with nine delegates from 100 gangs. And there's over a hundred more. That's 20,000 hardcore members. Forty-thousand, counting affiliates, and twenty-thousand more, not organized, but ready to fight: 60,000 soldiers! Now, there ain't but 20,000 police in the whole town." << I would think if gangs outnumber the police the last thing you want is an escalation of war. I.e. national guard/army 1287894;1443558068;ascii_field;criminals ~always~ outnumber police. 1287895;1443558070;ascii_field;how else. 1287896;1443558088;ascii_field;(technically everything that moves on two legs in usa is 'criminal') 1287897;1443558126;thestringpuller;well criminals willing to kill police officers (not a lot of people are willing to go that far) 1287898;1443558154;thestringpuller;The LA Riots saw the unification of the Bloods and Cryps for a short time in similar spirit described in the warriors 1287899;1443558195;ascii_field;thestringpuller: notice that ~exclusively~ local/municipal police are ever killed. as to why: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259456 1287900;1443558195;assbot;Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule. 1287901;1443558228;phf;can you dig it? 1287902;1443558281;thestringpuller;!b 4 1287903;1443558282;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/350MQ0G.txt ) 1287904;1443558300;ascii_field;notice how the latest wave of 'OMG!!11!!1!!policebrutality!11!!1livezmatter!!11' began with... several states proclaiming intent to arrest federal law enforcers in some cases 1287905;1443558316;ascii_field;(in one state, those enforcing federal gun laws; in others - dope) 1287906;1443558323;ascii_field;this rapidly went to zero. 1287907;1443558333;ascii_field;and quietly 'unhappened' in media 1287908;1443558334;ascii_field;etc. 1287909;1443558396;thestringpuller;well local police are rarely proesecuted. the whole reason the LA riots occurred is cause d00ds got off on charges of Police Brutality 1287910;1443558412;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1287911;1443558421;ascii_field;thestringpuller: none of it is about prosecuting 1287912;1443558426;ascii_field;it is about 'pr' and image massage. 1287913;1443558448;ascii_field;about getting usians to see local cops as 'enemy' so that nice shiny new 'friends' can be trucked in 1287914;1443558451;thestringpuller;It's all fun and games until the niggers start rioting in the street. 1287915;1443558453;ascii_field;and given whatever powers. 1287916;1443558473;thestringpuller;ascii_field: also notice how it's never white people and honky's who riot. 1287917;1443558502;BingoBoingo; (in one state, those enforcing federal gun laws; in others - dope) << The one state has Gubanatorial elections coming up, expect rhetoric to return 1287918;1443558514;ascii_field;thestringpuller: no shit 1287919;1443558593;ascii_field;btw the 'make'em hate the local cops' thing dates to ~AT LEAST~ brown v. board of e 1287920;1443558602;ascii_field;and before that - 'reconstruction' 1287921;1443558622;thestringpuller;during brown v board of education, the police and white people were indistinguishable 1287922;1443558640;ascii_field;as local police tend to be, when drawn from the population they work on 1287923;1443558683;thestringpuller;it was the feds iirc who protected the black children attending newly integrated schools 1287924;1443558703;ascii_field;aha and every media mouthpiece made sure to snap it from 1,001 angles 1287925;1443558713;ascii_field;'love the feds, they are your friends' 1287926;1443558759;thestringpuller;that was much the case during the civil rights era. 1287927;1443558774;thestringpuller;kinda uncanny, "hate teh local police, love the national guard" 1287928;1443558781;BingoBoingo;lol http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-furloughs-workers-docks-vacation-2015-9?utm_source=qntra&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=rival 1287929;1443558782;assbot;Oracle furloughs workers, docks vacation - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZZOWj ) 1287930;1443558782;ascii_field;see also aesop's frog & scorpion. 1287931;1443558810;thestringpuller;I thought it was a snake and turtle 1287932;1443558850;BingoBoingo;Aesop had many X and Y animal fables 1287933;1443558918;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller 1287934;1443558979;jurov;kangaroo and panda 1287935;1443558995;ascii_field;'Lots of tech companies do that, but in Oracle's case, it is mandating that all employees pay for this furlough with four days of their paid time off/vacation time, according to several sources we spoke to.' << l0l 1287936;1443559066;ascii_field;' It's still hiring like crazy, with nearly 10,000 open jobs listed on its website, for instance, and it has ratcheted up research and development a bit, spending $8.7 billion in its last fiscal year — which ended in August — compared to $8.6 billion in fiscal 2014.' << does anyone else feel brain melting from the sheer density of flimflam packed into this paragraph ? 1287937;1443559112;BingoBoingo;Quite a bit 1287938;1443559122;ascii_field;(10,000 'openings advertised on www' has something to do with actual employment? and 8.6B spent on 'research' has something to do with r&d ? not on my planet...) 1287939;1443559163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23956 @ 0.00068502 = 16.4103 BTC [-] {5} 1287940;1443559163;ascii_field;oblig: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#742046 1287941;1443559163;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.' 1287942;1443559529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00068303 = 27.3212 BTC [-] 1287943;1443559773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16945 @ 0.00068303 = 11.5739 BTC [-] 1287944;1443560040;phf;i added eatbulk to bitcoind that takes a folder with blk dat files and eats them in order, provisioning the node at the moment. pointless graphs time! http://glyf.org/tmp/height-time.png hours vs block height, http://glyf.org/tmp/height-delta.png block height vs delay from previous ACCEPTED 1287945;1443560041;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M02iE2 ) 1287946;1443560042;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M02l2W ) 1287947;1443560217;thestringpuller;can't wait till bitcoind is fully deturdified 1287948;1443560772;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1287949;1443560776;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller 1287950;1443561017;ascii_field;phf: i never saw a reason to put the iteration of blocks in the cpp. really it is a job for scripting lang from outside 1287951;1443561032;ascii_field;'eatblock' does exactly one shot of eating a block. 1287952;1443561037;ascii_field;imho as it ought. 1287953;1443561052;phf;ascii_field: that's why it's not on the ml 1287954;1443561060;ascii_field;but, still spiffy 1287955;1443561068;ascii_field;phf: have you seen mine ? 1287956;1443561091;ascii_field;phf: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html 1287957;1443561092;assbot;[BTC-dev] Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmuPH ) 1287958;1443561116;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287947 << this is, virtually by definition, an impossibility. 1287959;1443561116;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:56:57; thestringpuller: can't wait till bitcoind is fully deturdified 1287960;1443561141;ascii_field;(if it were rid of boost, openssl, bdb, and c++ entirely - it will not be 'bitcoind' in any familiar sense, but another thing entirely) 1287961;1443561184;ascii_field;and Mysterious Serious People (tm) will eschew it 1287962;1443561200;ascii_field;can't really blame'em either 1287963;1443561244;ascii_field;it is important to remember why we came up with the whole shebang of 'fits-in-head 1-page' patches, 'v', the lot 1287964;1443561289;ascii_field;it is more or less the only path from a known-genuine, pre-valuablebtc bitcoin client to something demonstrably degavinized 1287965;1443561486;ascii_field;(as i understand, anyone who so much as touched bitcoind since $10 or so is guilty until proven innocent of being a gavin) 1287966;1443561510;ascii_field;*source of 1287967;1443561524;ascii_field;at least from the pov of Mysterious Serious People 1287968;1443561969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36560 @ 0.00069123 = 25.2714 BTC [+] 1287969;1443562723;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1287970;1443562741;ascii_field;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287769 << this box appears to be down. 1287971;1443562741;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 18:17:40; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell kakobrekla "coracle": 54.187.227.228 1287972;1443562741;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1287973;1443562855;kakobrekla;not my fault! 1287974;1443562884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1587 @ 0.0006913 = 1.0971 BTC [+] {2} 1287975;1443562945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38613 @ 0.0006915 = 26.7009 BTC [+] 1287976;1443563192;trinque;nmap says there's a box there 1287977;1443563195;trinque;but no open port 8333 1287978;1443563295;phf;ascii_field: saw it of course. i wanted to cut out the whole blkcut -> block -> eatblock roundtrip, plus i want to see how fast it can eat at saturation. which is surprisingly not fast at all 1287979;1443564165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.0006915 = 38.5166 BTC [+] 1287980;1443564567;BingoBoingo;Looks like BitBet has two new favored candiates for president: https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ 1287981;1443564568;assbot;BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (63%) on Yes, 0.32 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 97`101 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 ) 1287982;1443564568;assbot;BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.03 B (86%) on Yes, 0.17 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 98`768 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF ) 1287983;1443564572;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1287984;1443565202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0006896 = 26.9289 BTC [-] {3} 1287985;1443566727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128764 @ 0.0006915 = 89.0403 BTC [+] 1287986;1443568069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00068947 = 12.6173 BTC [-] 1287987;1443568496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00068947 = 11.6176 BTC [-] 1287988;1443569350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42382 @ 0.00068582 = 29.0664 BTC [-] {3} 1287989;1443569721;BingoBoingo;!up itkin 1287990;1443570130;BingoBoingo;http://m.snopes.com/prescott-bush-planned-parenthood/ 1287991;1443570132;assbot;Bush Babies : snopes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwhJwY ) 1287992;1443570396;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=262 1287993;1443570397;assbot;JL: Running From The Cops #1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwiqGP ) 1287994;1443570753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11849 @ 0.0006835 = 8.0988 BTC [-] 1287995;1443571058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2044 @ 0.00068887 = 1.4081 BTC [+] 1287996;1443572007;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/29o8SOa.jpg 1287997;1443572008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwmqqI ) 1287998;1443572400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15108 @ 0.0006915 = 10.4472 BTC [+] 1287999;1443572828;jurov;..aaand http://www.itworld.com/article/2987438/newly-found-truecrypt-flaw-allows-full-system-compromise.html 1288000;1443572832;assbot;Newly found TrueCrypt flaw allows full system compromise | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQcONi ) 1288001;1443572922;jurov;"The first phase of the TrueCrypt audit project, ... covered the driver code, but "Windows drivers are complex beasts" 1288002;1443572925;jurov;and it's easy to miss local elevation of privilege flaws, Forshaw said on Twitter." 1288003;1443573593;jurov;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/28/this-sleazy-and-totally-illegal-savings-scheme-may-be-the-future-of-retirement/ 1288004;1443573594;assbot;It’s sleazy, it’s totally illegal, and yet it could become the future of retirement - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwpVNU ) 1288005;1443573633;jurov;anyone going in together? :D 1288006;1443573651;jurov;“This might be the iPhone of retirement products,” says Moshe Milevsky, an associate professor of finance at York University 1288007;1443573660;jurov;iProfesor 1288008;1443573808;BingoBoingo;jurov: ty for the Truecrypt link. I almost forgot that was ever a thing. 1288009;1443573841;deedbot-;[Qntra] Windows TrueCrypt Fatally Flawed - http://qntra.net/2015/09/windows-truecrypt-fatally-flawed/ 1288010;1443574230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0006915 = 3.5958 BTC [+] 1288011;1443574263;BingoBoingo;jurov: I could see it. Tontines make some pretty good stories too. 1288012;1443574677;BingoBoingo;In related news, the botanical season of fall started today in the front yard. First leaves on the Sweet Gum tree changed colors in the past three hours. 1288013;1443575149;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/9Nc2CZP.jpg 1288014;1443575151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKbCzz ) 1288015;1443575587;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1287999 << run moar winblowz! (tm) (r) 1288016;1443575587;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 00:27:08; jurov: ..aaand http://www.itworld.com/article/2987438/newly-found-truecrypt-flaw-allows-full-system-compromise.html 1288017;1443575857;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How's the weather over there? 1288018;1443576182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.0006915 = 14.5561 BTC [+] 1288019;1443576763;asciilifeform;http://www.coindesk.com/rogue-fbi-agent-searching-for-lost-bitcoin-silk-road-advisor-alleges << mega-brokentelephone-l0l 1288020;1443576764;assbot;Rogue FBI Agent Searching for Lost Bitcoin, Silk Road Advisor Alleges ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFcdF9 ) 1288021;1443576843;asciilifeform;obligatory: ''How would they dare?' he said. 'I was such a pure and terrifying Aryan that they even put me in a special detachment. Its mission was to find out how the Jews always knew what the S.S. was going to do next There was a leak somewhere, and we were out to stop it' He looked bitter and affronted, remembering it, even though he had been that leak. 'Was the detachment successful in its mission?' I said. 'I'm happy to s 1288022;1443576884;asciilifeform;(k. vonnegut. 'mother night.') 1288023;1443576914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0006915 = 7.4682 BTC [+] 1288024;1443576933;asciilifeform;'...'I'm happy to say,' said Arpad, 'that fourteen S.S. men were shot on our recommendation. Adolf Eichmann himself congratulated us. 'You met him, did you?' I said. 'Yes' said Arpad, 'and I'm sorry I didn't know at the time how important he was.' 'Why?' I said. 'I would have killed him,' said Arpad.' 1288025;1443577095;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats 1288026;1443577116;gribble;Current Blocks: {"blockcount":376772} | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":59335351233.86657} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1288027;1443577254;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288008 << not only is it still a thing, but there is TO THIS DAY nothing like an actual replacement for it. 1288028;1443577254;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 00:43:28; BingoBoingo: jurov: ty for the Truecrypt link. I almost forgot that was ever a thing. 1288029;1443577463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0006915 = 24.894 BTC [+] 1288030;1443577951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00068887 = 3.8232 BTC [-] 1288031;1443578028;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well there's a popular and derpy for and than... just kinda forgot that niche existed 1288032;1443578830;*;BingoBoingo in a time before Bitcoin resorted to truecrypt as a "don't you dare spy on my Win Box Dorm neighbors" measure. 1288033;1443579248;BingoBoingo;Obese Privilege http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/overweight-people-seen-as-too-fat-to-commit-crimes-a2956586.html 1288034;1443579248;assbot;'Overweight' people seen as 'too fat' to commit crimes, study finds | UK | News | London Evening Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGZbUE ) 1288035;1443579324;trinque;damn, that's one hell of an ass-overflow 1288036;1443579378;BingoBoingo;trinque: Reports are the UK has a still worse Obeast infestation than the US 1288037;1443579793;mike_c;bitbettors can't do math. if trump is 50/50, why is jeb 5:1 to win? https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ 1288038;1443579793;assbot;BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.03 B (86%) on Yes, 0.17 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 98`683 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF ) 1288039;1443580169;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Don't forget Rubio 1288040;1443580195;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/aHCf6T7.jpg thank you steve, thank you 1288041;1443580196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJZixL ) 1288042;1443580808;mike_c;srsly, all the more reason to bet no, right? 1288043;1443580830;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Seriously on Both bets. 1288044;1443580905;*;BingoBoingo decided to for "yes" to Rubio rather than "no" on jeb with his stake though https://bitbet.us/stats/14BqjpHAeM2EC6aJkrzM7cbTeePQCJJs5C/ 1288045;1443580906;assbot;BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1KK06Tn ) 1288046;1443581611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00068652 = 20.7672 BTC [-] {4} 1288047;1443581835;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/30/us-un-assembly-idUSKCN0RT2MS20150930 << He added: "If it (Russia) is against the terrorists, it's not abnormal to launch strikes against them." 1288048;1443581836;assbot;Powers struggle to agree on Syria; Russia urged to strike Islamic State| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZz6mr ) 1288049;1443581992;trinque;Russia seems to be demonstrating *to the Middle East* that it is cooler head among the external powers. 1288050;1443582043;trinque;*the cooler head 1288051;1443582503;trinque;it will be a fascinating thing if the US attempt to align the Middle East with itself - via some naive "we'll make them all South Korea and Japan!" notion - results in alignment with Russia, and even more amusing if the thing actually results in some semblance of "peace in the Middle East" down the road 1288052;1443583062;mike_c;I think rubio is warming up for the next one. 1288053;1443583199;BingoBoingo;mike_c: He prolly is. Wants to resurrect the McCain/Romney train since Santorum had to be skipped. 1288054;1443583930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00068286 = 12.4963 BTC [-] {3} 1288055;1443583966;BingoBoingo;mike_c: The republican nominee field this year is awfully noisy. Rand is falling into his father's pattern, Lizards love Fiorina, and Trump is just a protest vote. 1288056;1443584463;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i imagine those people will put more into advertising it than davout ever did, and so will take over. 1288057;1443584510;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: For a portion of the market, but like many other things at some point they will probably die suddenly 1288058;1443585429;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/88592d7877ee342801c347b98a0d2038/tumblr_nq3hgfT7gY1s9e2ofo1_1290.jpg 1288059;1443585430;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBt6sB ) 1288060;1443585433;mircea_popescu;oops 1288061;1443585436;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/88592d7877ee342801c347b98a0d2038/tumblr_nq3hgfT7gY1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg 1288062;1443585437;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBt8AG ) 1288063;1443585488;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287784 << right, for people who want to invest in eur without actually holding any >D 1288064;1443585488;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 19:24:01; jurov: x.eur is for people who start with btc 1288065;1443585657;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287799 << yeah, on the grounds of having been built for reasonably well off / middle class people in the... 1920s. 1288066;1443585657;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 19:32:23; ascii_field: tremendously posh infrastructure still in place, but the regulars are - i have it on good authority - in their 70s and 80s 1288067;1443585695;mircea_popescu;whatch five fucking minutes from the beginning "Band wagon" with fred astaire to get a fucking idea of what life in america still was, in the 50s. 1288068;1443585734;mircea_popescu;hint : dude travels ON THE TRAIN with a pile of luggage. he tells the porter to take it all and put it in a cab and send it at so and so hotel. because he's a dude in the suit traveling solo and can't be bothered to lift anything heavier than his hat 1288069;1443585742;mircea_popescu;and the entire society is organised around this notion. 1288070;1443585766;mircea_popescu;today fucking airlines can't as much as not forever lose your bags, let alone SEND PEOPLE TO PICK THEM UP FROM YOUR FUCKING CAB!!!! 1288071;1443585788;mircea_popescu;(except in turkey, where they do, and for this reason alone the united states should be a subject state of istanbul!) 1288072;1443585826;mircea_popescu;fucking bullshit world where i have to have valet slavegirls because everyone in it is an imbecile. 1288073;1443586064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18370 @ 0.00068223 = 12.5326 BTC [-] 1288074;1443586078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287810 << ahahah. also as to the praxis, "Superfluous redundancy" :D 1288075;1443586078;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 19:34:09; phf: жидобольшевик? seems like saying the same thing twice 1288076;1443586180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287814 << not true, greeks invented that one. 1288077;1443586180;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 19:37:55; jurov: cargocult masonry aside, i surmised they invented structured discussion, i.e. it was clear at all times whose turn is to speak 1288078;1443586224;mircea_popescu;red indian tribes in new england might have had it independently, but unfortunately the society was woman-centric and so it tripped all over itself and died before we could give a shit. 1288079;1443586495;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287823 << you know it was just b-a of the 1800s. 1288080;1443586495;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 19:43:58; phf: ^ i think it's such an exquisite stab at freemasonry. a brief fictional exchange reveals the absurdity of the entire "pretense" 1288081;1443586628;*;BingoBoingo kinda worries for the #b-a of the 2130's 1288082;1443586693;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5n64zFO-Q << lolz. compare and contrast with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu277VhDdW4 1288083;1443586694;assbot;"RIDING the GOAT" Very strange Fraternal Lodge Initiation, 1928. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VmarwS ) 1288084;1443586695;assbot;Sexiest Mechanical Bull Ride - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VmarwU ) 1288085;1443586706;mircea_popescu;easily a paragon of womanhood. above any big tits, hips, legs, blabla. 1288086;1443586716;mircea_popescu;can do that, is a woman. can't do that, has shit to learn yet. 1288087;1443586814;mircea_popescu;her fucking ankles aren't even touching. thighs an' that's it. 1288088;1443587466;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1288089;1443587473;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 237.14, vol: 17191.29334113 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 236.295, vol: 6093.89029 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 238.7, vol: 8365.56644987 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 260.0, vol: 1.91594316 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 242.242, vol: 26981.18780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 236.136, vol: 68.22471848 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 241.93748, vol: 47.59175733 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1288090;1443587474;BingoBoingo;;;more 1288091;1443587475;gribble;239.621079249 1288092;1443587560;mircea_popescu;But, somehow, when we mention it, he wears a look so grim we wonder if he rode the goat ---- or if the goat rode him! 1288093;1443587565;mircea_popescu;ahahaha that's alright. 1288094;1443587616;BingoBoingo;It isn't called "horny goat weed" for nothing 1288095;1443587640;mircea_popescu;manifestly. 1288096;1443587758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287842 << of some interest would perhaps be what you yourself mean when you say "von neuman architecture". 1288097;1443587758;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:04:37; thestringpuller: ascii_field: could the sane computer be of von neuman architecture? or does that even matter? 1288098;1443587772;mircea_popescu;and no, i'm not asking what alf means. i know what he means. 1288099;1443588062;mircea_popescu;also asciilifeform might enjoy http://uncouthreflections.com/2015/09/28/the-real-problem-of-sexual-assault-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-32725 discussion 1288100;1443588063;assbot;The Real Problem of Sexual Assault on Campus? | Uncouth Reflections ... ( http://bit.ly/1VmbAob ) 1288101;1443588121;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287873 << they can't, just, idiots put up with it. 1288102;1443588121;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:14:50; ascii_field: where they seal up restaurants with people trapped inside, stop cars at gunpoint for hours, BECAUSE THEY CAN 1288103;1443588145;mircea_popescu;and yes they should rub it in. more every day, that's the only way the worms will get the point. 1288104;1443588154;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is the one thing the usg does right. 1288105;1443588177;mircea_popescu;the only just desserts of a castrated population is the humiliation ratchet. 1288106;1443588235;mircea_popescu;when boys start listening to their moms and acting with "common decency", the one thing they get is their asshole fucked like it were a pussy. 1288107;1443588238;mircea_popescu;because in fact it is. 1288108;1443588409;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287879 << see, the subtle differences make the difference. no, that's not what i say. 1288109;1443588409;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:16:54; ascii_field: and since mircea_popescu appears to be sleeping, i will have to fill in for him and say 'this is what usians get for not being pashtuns!' aha. 1288110;1443588422;mircea_popescu;"usian" isn't a thing to be. 1288111;1443588438;mircea_popescu;not anymore than fat acceptance is a thing to do. 1288112;1443588539;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287899 << dude this is like the "oh show me a rothschild" nonsense. 1288113;1443588539;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:23:15; ascii_field: thestringpuller: notice that ~exclusively~ local/municipal police are ever killed. as to why: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259456 1288114;1443588546;mircea_popescu;everyone in usg gets killed all the fucking time 1288115;1443588558;mircea_popescu;scarcely 50 years have passed since the last executed president. 1288116;1443588566;mircea_popescu;nobody is immune. 1288117;1443588571;mircea_popescu;they know this themselves. 1288118;1443588582;mircea_popescu;and here you come with bizarro world fantasies. 1288119;1443588687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.0006915 = 4.0107 BTC [+] 1288120;1443590456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.0006915 = 15.1784 BTC [+] 1288121;1443592225;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 273 @ 0.00466302 = 1.273 BTC [+] {4} 1288122;1443592347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0006884 = 9.1901 BTC [-] 1288123;1443592713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12737 @ 0.0006915 = 8.8076 BTC [+] 1288124;1443593933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4082 @ 0.0006915 = 2.8227 BTC [+] 1288125;1443594085;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3254318/American-woman-s-bizarre-Vegemite-racist-YouTube-rant.html 1288126;1443594085;assbot;US woman posts #banvegemite rant online because she thinks the spread is racist | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1jx8pZX ) 1288127;1443594145;BingoBoingo;Ever since the 1950s-or whatever-vegemite has been a way to symbolically make white Australians feel superior to Aboriginals by literally eating their f*****g skin in a jar. 1288128;1443594469;cazalla;hate to admit it, but there is little more i enjoy that butter soaked bread with an inch thick spread of vegemite 1288129;1443594474;cazalla;than* 1288130;1443594523;cazalla;shit BingoBoingo that video is from July https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDAOodylljM 1288131;1443594523;assbot;Eating Vegemite is racist towards Aboriginals - because it is black - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1jx9kcK ) 1288132;1443594537;BingoBoingo;Isn't vegemite just failed beer? 1288133;1443594581;mircea_popescu;you can't eat foods that have a color now ? 1288134;1443594588;mircea_popescu;tofu is fucking white. 1288135;1443594644;mircea_popescu;in other news, the female herding behaviour. (the practitioners refer it as "protecting", because totally, there's so much that wrinkly ass can protect from and so very much protection teh young slut needs.) http://41.media.tumblr.com/1fae76d2e368184cb8f67fd935a7190d/tumblr_nq3h28JcX41s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg 1288136;1443594645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBG3CF ) 1288137;1443594659;cazalla;s'gotta be a troll 1288138;1443594863;punkman;the mech-bull is a stand-in for a sybian right? 1288139;1443595092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00068651 = 4.5996 BTC [-] {3} 1288140;1443595258;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1288141;1443595327;mircea_popescu;but, to quote older material, http://trilema.com/2011/erotoghid-pentru-femeia-adulta/#selection-41.381-41.509 1288142;1443595327;assbot;Erotoghid pentru femeia adulta on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxb0Dg ) 1288143;1443595352;mircea_popescu;"a woman that can not use her own body to extemporaneously exemplify grace has scant changes to sexual fulfillment". 1288144;1443595381;punkman;chick was pretty good, most derps on youtube try to hold on using only their hands 1288145;1443595386;mircea_popescu;yup. 1288146;1443595408;mircea_popescu;the reason she's so good is because she puts no work into it whatsoever. just absorbs the bull with minimal friction. 1288147;1443595426;mircea_popescu;this happens to be a perfectly fine (if negative) definition of gracefulness, and thus a fine way to measure it. 1288148;1443595497;punkman;plenty of friction between bull and vulva 1288149;1443595507;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1288150;1443595529;mircea_popescu;(the reason the thigh gap exists, anatomically, is exactly to provide insulation from work friction as seen there. her cunt's in the air throughout) 1288151;1443595661;mircea_popescu;also the mechanical bull is specifically designed to defeat men, which is to say, humans who use force to compensate for a lack of gracefulness. 1288152;1443595678;mircea_popescu;the thing with using force is that your muscles are dual controlled, there's a fine and a gross motor innervation. 1288153;1443595690;mircea_popescu;as the muscle grows tired it becomes unresponsive to fine control 1288154;1443595749;mircea_popescu;(whosoever fucked a woman properly could readily verify this by laying on back and trying to slowly move knees up. the jerky motion is due to lack of fine control) 1288155;1443595765;mircea_popescu;and as the rider becomes unable to exercise fine control, he becomes unable to maintain balance. 1288156;1443595771;mircea_popescu;as errors compound. 1288157;1443596007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9645 @ 0.0006915 = 6.6695 BTC [+] 1288158;1443596053;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3008 << "The cops do not want you to dieas that brings major heat. They just want to shoot you so that they can feel better about not winning any fights back in high school. Dude, your hoodrat carcass is a pain in the ass to everyone, except for your mamma, who just won the "hatched a got-shot hoodrat" lottery, and will be cashing in on your dumbass." 1288159;1443596054;assbot;JL: The Ghetto at A Glance ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBIlBT ) 1288160;1443596139;mircea_popescu;it's not clear that an injured and disabled hoodrat is better. 1288161;1443596214;BingoBoingo;At the present it is. As the Insurance to pay injured and disabled hoodrats bezzel depletes... 1288162;1443596249;mircea_popescu;somewhat unrelatedly, 1288163;1443596250;mircea_popescu;"On 23 August 1927, Sacco and Vanzetti were executed; in response, a 24-hour general strike was proclaimed in Buenos Aires, as well as many other capitals of the world. Several days after the executions, Di Giovanni received a letter from Sacco's widow, which thanked him for his work, and informing him that the director of the tobacco firm Combinados had proposed her a contract to produce a cigarette brand named "Sacco 1288164;1443596250;mircea_popescu; & Vanzetti". On 26 November 1927, Di Giovanni and his comrades duly bombed Bernardo Gurevich's tobacco shop Combinados on Rivadavia 2279." 1288165;1443596371;BingoBoingo; (whosoever fucked a woman properly could readily verify this by laying on back and trying to slowly move knees up. the jerky motion is due to lack of fine control) << Glycogen and ATP depletion. The nerves fire, but the only muscle movements possible are less precise. 1288166;1443596385;BingoBoingo;Leading too as the muscle grows tired it becomes unresponsive to fine control 1288167;1443596407;mircea_popescu;and na/k imbalance and a bunch of other chemical issues yes. 1288168;1443596427;punkman;do the argentines still celebrate Sacco and Vanzetti? 1288169;1443596450;mircea_popescu;i doubt there's any argentine under 60 that has any fucking idea wtf brand of sardines that was. 1288170;1443596469;BingoBoingo;na/k imbalance less of an issue unless sweating and the sweat is being separated from the skin. 1288171;1443596474;mircea_popescu;"old school" hipsterism is being a communist nowadays. 1288172;1443596539;BingoBoingo;Peak reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/3mxaaf/nsfwnsfltriggers_dated_by_a_ham_exploited_by_a/ 1288173;1443596541;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBJ5a1 ) 1288174;1443596694;mircea_popescu;also http://40.media.tumblr.com/9a816f4ccf8ffb2841fcca3a19df351d/tumblr_nq3fla6Mi81s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg 1288175;1443596694;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxdPUB ) 1288176;1443597019;BingoBoingo;"Why was there poop in your shower ?" 1288177;1443597044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00068337 = 19.4077 BTC [-] {3} 1288178;1443597196;BingoBoingo;Also... Tesla Motors just unveiled a hatchback... 1288179;1443597247;BingoBoingo;And at 5,400 pounds it outweighs a lot of trucks... 1288180;1443597294;BingoBoingo;It's an electric fucking vehicle with a 550 watt stereo 1288181;1443597413;mircea_popescu;this nonsense of "we wanna be more energy efificent so we're dragging tons of worthless electricity storage around" is getting ever more ridiculous. 1288182;1443597444;BingoBoingo;Seriously might as well have a car with an RTG 1288183;1443597457;mircea_popescu;"why carry two barrels of gasoline around worth 10 mega-fucking-joules 1288184;1443597474;mircea_popescu;when you could achieve the same effect with two and a half tons worth of lithium poison 1288185;1443597521;BingoBoingo;Range is still only 250 miles, but prolly less if you turn up that stereo 1288186;1443597550;punkman;maybe the stereo runs on gasoline 1288187;1443597568;BingoBoingo;They promise though that if it rolls over "It will land on its feet" because... batteries go under drivers ass and the car's body 1288188;1443597588;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha punkman wins all of the bashes. 1288189;1443597594;mircea_popescu;!b 10 1288190;1443597595;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KRRD1D.txt ) 1288191;1443597624;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i wonder how many actually remember the important role of the bash function in the development of later crucial bits of infrastructure. 1288192;1443597631;BingoBoingo;On the one plus though it seems that HAD to bring back body on frame construction... I mean seriously... No way they would do something like this as a unibody... 1288193;1443597644;mircea_popescu;it's altogether unclear to me how long we'd have taken to figure out the dpaste deedbot- mechanism if there wasn't this dpaste thing for bashes 1288194;1443597837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00068223 = 12.6213 BTC [-] 1288195;1443597921;BingoBoingo;Prolly 2017 1288196;1443597972;HeySteve;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3J8V5NY 1288197;1443597973;assbot;dpaste: 3J8V5NY: stevekey, by steve ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxgvSe ) 1288198;1443597973;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1288199;1443598055;HeySteve;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3J8V5NY.txt 1288200;1443598056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxgGNk ) 1288201;1443598057;deedbot-;imported: 5082594B795298BD62A00F4CAA5C799D12DAF5C6 1288202;1443598100;BingoBoingo;Seriously though tubular titanium frame (carbon fiber shatters and no weight budget for containment, acrylic windshield, 100lb RTG, motor, plastic seat, passenger weight limit. Electricity generated at rest goes into home mains or rave lights. Top speed 25 mph. 1288203;1443598124;BingoBoingo;Achieve top speed by going downhill. 1288204;1443598137;mircea_popescu;top speed 25mph ?! 1288205;1443598265;BingoBoingo;Goind downhill, kicking the ground Flinstones style occasionaly 1288206;1443598270;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/09/windows-truecrypt-fatally-flawed/#comment-62477 1288207;1443598271;assbot;Windows TrueCrypt Fatally Flawed | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBM7uU ) 1288208;1443598282;BingoBoingo;Very big hill required 1288209;1443598364;punkman;and then you tow it back up the hill with a VW? 1288210;1443598408;BingoBoingo;Nah uphill you go 1/2 mhp, or push it up like a self propelled lawn mower. 1288211;1443598469;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1981-149-34A%2C_Russland%2C_Herausziehen_eines_Autos.jpg <<< usg dept of human disservices THIS CLOSE to catching up to third reich technologees. 1288212;1443598470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxhCRV ) 1288213;1443598495;BingoBoingo;On the plus side brag that you've had to buy tires more often than you've had to refuel 1288214;1443598617;mircea_popescu;not so unlike bragging that you buy way more tissues than condoms. 1288215;1443598676;BingoBoingo;More the opposites. Condoms cost more than tissues per load expended. 1288216;1443598706;BingoBoingo;Plutonium-238 is expensive. 1288217;1443598735;mircea_popescu;hm 1288218;1443598824;HeySteve;BingoBoingo just agree to build a bomb for some Iranians, take their Plutonium and give them back a shell full of used pinball parts 1288219;1443598838;BingoBoingo;Then again Government Motors sells new Chevy Suburbans for the price of a modest Suburban house because cognitively paying that much for huge vehicle is cognitively less expensive than recognizing one let themselves get huge and doing something about it. 1288220;1443598867;mircea_popescu;I watcher her eat a whole appetizer at a mexican restaurant along with an entree dish and a combo platter as her side. <<< ftr /me does this all the fucking time. 1288221;1443598873;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Wrong isotope. That's plutonium 239. Absolute shit for an RTG, doesn't get hot enough. 1288222;1443598885;mircea_popescu;there are people still walking around who watched me eat TWO full steaks for breakfast in alabama. 1288223;1443598901;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You fuck the energy out though, and... walk places... 1288224;1443598909;mircea_popescu;black mamie-type waitress could not fucking believe the skinny white boy finished the first one, it was the size of her bosom. 1288225;1443598935;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess that does it huh 1288226;1443598975;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I mean you have to figure the average reddit-mate gets a parking placard for their Autism and never has to walk more than 40 ft at a time again. 1288227;1443598989;mircea_popescu;you should have seen the fucking disbelief on this middle aged woman i asked for directions yest. she was "you gotta take the colectivo, that's like... very far. it's unthinkably far. it's like... at least 50 blocks". 1288228;1443598999;BingoBoingo;lol 1288229;1443599000;mircea_popescu;wtf woman, so you walk for a coupla hours. what of it. 1288230;1443599013;mircea_popescu;splendid weather in ba too, like 20 degrees, pleasant sun down here. 1288231;1443599058;mircea_popescu;anyway, the city blocks here are reasonably scammy, there's like 10, even 20 to a mile. 1288232;1443599071;BingoBoingo;Last night it was drizzling yet pleasant temperature so went to take a short walk. half a kilometer out started raining hard by no wind or lightening so figured I'd enjoy the sidewalks to myself. 1288233;1443599113;BingoBoingo;Fuck even in small town here only fit 4-8 blocks to the mile. 1288234;1443599118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00068223 = 8.255 BTC [-] 1288235;1443599164;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, in the 4 blocks to the mile world her disbelief'd be a lot more at home, but ba is way denser than that. 1288236;1443599213;mircea_popescu;in fact i did cover the distance (naon 3500 to corrientes ~7k) in about an hour give or take. 1288237;1443599322;mircea_popescu;"When she's done I take her back to my place and initiate foreplay because I have to fucking get swabs if I want optimal prophylactic medical treatment for my dick area." 1288238;1443599330;mircea_popescu;dude is fucking obnoxious srsly. 1288239;1443599339;mircea_popescu;he actually expects sympathy for that pile of nonsense ? 1288240;1443599346;BingoBoingo;Seriously, like peak fucking reddit narcisism. 1288241;1443599352;BingoBoingo;ANd yet check those comments. 1288242;1443599364;mircea_popescu;myeah. apparently dad never told him you're supposed to be charitable with women on the first date ? 1288243;1443599374;BingoBoingo;Reddit/Murica/Democracy is broken. 1288244;1443599399;mircea_popescu;"The smell was far worse mostly sober, but through a lot of "hand"iwork I was able to get three months of doxycycline and bactrim along with fluconazole and a single dose of some weird IV shit and an ointment. " 1288245;1443599414;mircea_popescu;srsly ?! 1288246;1443599443;mircea_popescu;THREE MONTHS of doxycycline ? AS A PROPHYLACTIC ? 1288247;1443599451;mircea_popescu;for something that can't even happen ? 1288248;1443599457;BingoBoingo;Almost seems like a troll post to see how... Retarded Retardid is... 1288249;1443599468;mircea_popescu;i would hope so. 1288250;1443599481;mircea_popescu;can you even take doxycycline for three months straight ? 1288251;1443599516;BingoBoingo;Prolly, but... imagine c diff and worse would follow. 1288252;1443599555;mircea_popescu;this is like... 1288253;1443599569;mircea_popescu;tb courses are six weeks. pneumo courses are four weeks. 1288254;1443599575;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is fourteen weeks for. 1288255;1443599591;BingoBoingo;If that long. At that point they'd use another drug. 1288256;1443599602;mircea_popescu;when sigounrey weaver fucked that alien she didn't get 14 weeks of medicine for it. 1288257;1443599630;*;BingoBoingo confesses he posted the work of fiction to see how retarded reddit in general is 1288258;1443599660;mircea_popescu;hahaha what ? 1288259;1443599670;mircea_popescu;omfg stub nuts 1288260;1443599675;mircea_popescu;dat was you ? 1288261;1443599680;BingoBoingo;I put together all of their tropes into a horror story. 1288262;1443599687;BingoBoingo;Yes you caught my shill account. 1288263;1443599714;BingoBoingo;Because reddit is outside the Republic, needs fucked with. 1288264;1443599718;mircea_popescu;dude who're you fooling. this was that pinoy mail order bride wasn't it. 1288265;1443599748;BingoBoingo;Mebbe 1288266;1443599754;mircea_popescu;lol 1288267;1443599780;mircea_popescu;somehow this enhances the amusement.] 1288268;1443599789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18656 @ 0.00068175 = 12.7187 BTC [-] {3} 1288269;1443599789;BingoBoingo;It's actually what I think about the Tesla Model X 1288270;1443599805;mircea_popescu;"Bonus: The part where I was turned off by her weight turned her on. I have never felt more sexually vulnerable in my life than in the aftermath, thank god nothing was viral." <<< lolz. 1288271;1443599869;BingoBoingo;Since it wouldn't be wort diluting qntra shares over a derpy hatchback I decided to try writing reddit soup. 1288272;1443599873;mircea_popescu;"Being fat is a huge red flag for mental illness and disease." << this is actually true. 1288273;1443599878;BingoBoingo;It is 1288274;1443599882;mircea_popescu;being fat is a huge red flag for mental illness. 1288275;1443599899;BingoBoingo;And other disease. 1288276;1443599952;mircea_popescu;myeah, kinda hard to stay healthy if overweight. 1288277;1443599988;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/3mxaaf/nsfwnsfltriggers_dated_by_a_ham_exploited_by_a/cvj1zfm 1288278;1443599989;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxkVbJ ) 1288279;1443599990;BingoBoingo;I mean even bidets don't have the pressure to get everything down there if one is shitting 'Murican sugah shits 1288280;1443599998;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. somehow i know the answer to that question. 1288281;1443600007;mircea_popescu;clearly b-a was integral to my well rounded practical education. 1288282;1443600053;BingoBoingo;Gotta include known parts of their folklore 1288283;1443600080;mircea_popescu;check it out, someone there knows the answer. 1288284;1443600096;mircea_popescu;you know, i think we're watching a meme being born. some nutty reddit comment, probably ALSO from a fake acct, 1288285;1443600100;mircea_popescu;now you kited it 1288286;1443600117;mircea_popescu;and by next week it's gonna be "fat people are notorious for doing" something no fat person probably ever did before. 1288287;1443600141;BingoBoingo;I wasn't the account with the answer. I started a fire, but not that fire. 1288288;1443600199;mircea_popescu;yeah but... 1288289;1443600250;BingoBoingo;I mean you gotta figure... If your shit is too sticky for a bidet... The shower offers greater pressure... 1288290;1443600287;BingoBoingo;Then again hose showers aren't really a 'Murican thing 1288291;1443600387;BingoBoingo;-mquin- [Global Notice] On or around Friday, October 2nd we will be cleaning up the services database. Now's a good time to ensure you identify to services when connecting. Check out http://blog.freenode.net/2015/09/services-database-purge/ << Prolly a good time for people with near perma-connected bouncers to login and log off because Freenode tracks last login time... 1288292;1443600388;assbot;Services database purge | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxlPVU ) 1288293;1443600516;BingoBoingo;And seriously. Is there such a thing as a REAL reddit account? 1288294;1443600521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8092 @ 0.00068077 = 5.5088 BTC [-] 1288295;1443600528;BingoBoingo;At least after 2007 or so. 1288296;1443600628;mircea_popescu;possibily not. 1288297;1443600675;BingoBoingo;I don't see any Reddit accounts in deedbot 1288298;1443600821;BingoBoingo;Also the original different purpose altchain has some bsns http://blog.namecoin.org/post/130158040415/onenames-blockstore-is-much-less-secure-than 1288299;1443600823;assbot;Namecoin News & Developer Blog — OneName’s Blockstore is much less secure than... ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxmPcC ) 1288300;1443600863;HeySteve;about deedbot, I don't quite get the hashing as privkey thing, what is the purpose? 1288301;1443600872;BingoBoingo;Namecoin's not exactly a critical piece of infrastructure but it seems to have been shitgnomed 1288302;1443600892;BingoBoingo; about deedbot, I don't quite get the hashing as privkey thing, what is the purpose? << To get spent from, it is the ultimate verification 1288303;1443601128;*;BingoBoingo goes to bread hopes everyone was sufficiently triggered 1288304;1443601836;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287904 << except maryland wasn't one of them. 1288305;1443601836;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:25:00; ascii_field: notice how the latest wave of 'OMG!!11!!1!!policebrutality!11!!1livezmatter!!11' began with... several states proclaiming intent to arrest federal law enforcers in some cases 1288306;1443602045;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287944 << pretty cool actually. 1288307;1443602045;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 20:54:00; phf: i added eatbulk to bitcoind that takes a folder with blk dat files and eats them in order, provisioning the node at the moment. pointless graphs time! http://glyf.org/tmp/height-time.png hours vs block height, http://glyf.org/tmp/height-delta.png block height vs delay from previous ACCEPTED 1288308;1443602536;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1287999 << perhaps of interest http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2013#28723 and certainly of interest http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2013#349854 1288309;1443602536;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 00:27:08; jurov: ..aaand http://www.itworld.com/article/2987438/newly-found-truecrypt-flaw-allows-full-system-compromise.html 1288310;1443602536;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2013 02:03:43; mircea_popescu: "I haven't nor will I ask for donations. This truly sucks for me, but I only want to find out how this happened. I wish I could see the code/method used for educational purposes. Fuck people who steal. I strive for bitcoins and litecoins to gain popularity among the masses and become an accepted currency in societies eyes." 1288311;1443602536;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2013 20:20:24; mircea_popescu: without going into all the ways truecrypt is broken and etc, which i don't feel i have the energy for 1288312;1443602553;mircea_popescu;or for that matter http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2013#28814 1288313;1443602553;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2013 02:25:44; mircea_popescu: my impression of the general truecrypt population is that they're not particularly more secure than average 1288314;1443602805;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288003 << incidentally, this happens to be the killer app for derpage a la "automated contracts" or whatever they call colored coins by now. 1288315;1443602805;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 00:39:53; jurov: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/28/this-sleazy-and-totally-illegal-savings-scheme-may-be-the-future-of-retirement/ 1288316;1443602819;mircea_popescu;course the 20 yo geniuses involved have nfi of anything so they don't know this either, but whatever. 1288317;1443603071;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288037 << what part of math is thereby contradicted ? 1288318;1443603071;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 02:23:13; mike_c: bitbettors can't do math. if trump is 50/50, why is jeb 5:1 to win? https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ 1288319;1443603090;*;BingoBoingo had a hypnagogic realization every good internet meme has started with a troll. Also prime numbers ending in 3 where 3 is not preceded by 2 are mauve. 1288320;1443603097;BingoBoingo;back to bed 1288321;1443603115;mircea_popescu;oh wait, 5:1 the other way lol 1288322;1443603149;mircea_popescu;bet's new, prolly not covered yet. 1288323;1443603490;mircea_popescu;also, http://36.media.tumblr.com/a609ac02f340aece2446717186a369ad/tumblr_nlbro03X7p1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg 1288324;1443603492;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR6Xs5 ) 1288325;1443603925;davout;mircea_popescu: tbf i'd probably advertise x.eur a bit more if i didn't have to wait days for x.eur holder statements 1288326;1443603968;mircea_popescu;you never had to wait all that much once you asked for 'em! 1288327;1443604015;mircea_popescu;i'm ... mefiant of too automated systems. 1288328;1443604021;davout;the point is i really shouldn't have to ask 1288329;1443604043;davout;i'm not saying it has to be automated 1288330;1443604074;mircea_popescu;i can't in good conscience propose that the contract may be renewed when i've not even heard from you. 1288331;1443604084;mircea_popescu;this may even be ridiculous, but it's still what i'm stuck with. 1288332;1443604133;mircea_popescu;there must be a minimum of attention available. it is perhaps true that if you didn't even have to show up once a mnonth for it you'd have more attention available to promote the thing. it is an unpersuasive theory. 1288333;1443604252;davout;nobody is proposing the contract should be renewed, the contract itself is here, stands and describes the instrument, that's how i read it 1288334;1443604305;davout;"2.3. Settlement. Upon the Settlement Date, which shall be the 15th day of every month at noon GMT," 1288335;1443604318;davout;"(a) The Exchange will compile a list of all contract holders, identifying their registered GPG signatures and the number of contracts held, encrypt this list and forward it to the Market Maker." 1288336;1443604384;mircea_popescu;you seriously propose that going "oh hai" once a month is too much service here ? 1288337;1443604459;davout;is that what i'm proposing? 1288338;1443604510;mircea_popescu;best i can tell. 1288339;1443604639;mircea_popescu;for instance : last month, the stuff went unrenewed for about two weeks. two weeks during which you didn't complain about the matter. this, not because I didn't notice. i had noticed. i was actually getting ready to announce that the x.eur thing is discontinued. 1288340;1443604666;mircea_popescu;the moral of that experience isn't to complain at me that you weren't around for a while. the moral of that experience is to be around. it is after all your flagship product as far as i can tell. treat it like it were. 1288341;1443604717;mircea_popescu;and yes this includes scheduling your vacations, divorces and funerals around the 15th of the month. it's that important. 1288342;1443605089;mircea_popescu;and since we're talking about things : http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/09/07/bitcoin-startup-paymium-raised-e1-million-in-seed-funding/ << this i read about in "newsbtc" ? because why ? 1288343;1443605091;assbot;Bitcoin Startup Paymium Raised €1 Million in Seed Funding - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR8dLN ) 1288344;1443605254;davout;what i'm proposing is that the contract is pretty clear, and that me hanging around #b-a and keeping up with it, is important, but nonetheless absolutely orthogonal with it. 1288345;1443605305;davout;if you want to make me requesting x.eur holders list a part of the process that's fine, we'll update the contract 1288346;1443605358;mircea_popescu;i don't want anything specific. but i will be keeping track of a large ammount of tiny indicators, because anything else results in exam-taking-training. 1288347;1443605425;mircea_popescu;so if you're wondering where the X is, as you should be wondering at any point after noon on the 15th, and it occurs to you we've prolly not heard anything from you in weeks, one of the simplest solutions is to fix it ad hoc, and one of the better solutions is to fix whatsoever fundamental problems that led to your misallocation of time towards reddit or w/e the fuck. because otherwise the rift this allows is bound to 1288348;1443605426;mircea_popescu;grow, and eventually tear things apart. 1288349;1443605440;mircea_popescu;maybe i got special mental needs or something, but to me all this seems obvious. 1288350;1443605524;mircea_popescu;and i still dunno why if im friends with the cto of some company i gotta read from random spamsite about financing events at some company. 1288351;1443605550;mircea_popescu;i can't even follow how or why this seemed like a good idea. 1288352;1443605936;davout;thought i had talked about it in-chan, guess i didn't 1288353;1443606051;mircea_popescu;i love you but dun go tramplin' on my feelin's!!! 1288354;1443606377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.000685 = 15.207 BTC [+] 1288355;1443606613;mircea_popescu;re the entire "shower pooping" thing, http://biznology.com/2012/02/how-paul-m-barrett-won-over-message-boards/ 1288356;1443606614;assbot;Attention Required! | CloudFlare ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFMj40 ) 1288357;1443606743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11607 @ 0.00068077 = 7.9017 BTC [-] 1288358;1443607021;davout;mircea_popescu: "one of the simplest solutions is to fix it ad hoc" <<< precisely what's been happening 1288359;1443607055;mircea_popescu;aha 1288360;1443609354;punkman;http://dpaste.com/1YTZT28 heh 1288361;1443609355;assbot;dpaste: 1YTZT28 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRewxS ) 1288362;1443610159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10520 @ 0.000685 = 7.2062 BTC [+] 1288363;1443611535;deedbot-;[Trilema] How the world worked back when the world worked - http://trilema.com/2015/how-the-world-worked-back-when-the-world-worked/ 1288364;1443613880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00068469 = 35.9462 BTC [-] {2} 1288365;1443614050;jurov;davout rly? i had to wait 2 weeks for my x.eur delivery because yoou were.. pouting? 1288366;1443614429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.000685 = 3.3908 BTC [+] 1288367;1443614886;davout;jurov: pouting? 1288368;1443614917;jurov;why else did you wait? 1288369;1443614966;jurov;i have to ask mircea for stuff too... but it's 3-4 days max 1288370;1443615006;davout;what do you mean? 1288371;1443615095;jurov;he does not process mpex deposits or withdrawals automatically, must be asked to often 1288372;1443615110;jurov;i ask after 3-4 days max 1288373;1443615126;jurov;and can't understand why would you wait 2 weeks 1288374;1443615136;davout;never waited two weeks 1288375;1443615211;jurov;so what happened? you asked, but he did ntohing? 1288376;1443615283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13704 @ 0.000685 = 9.3872 BTC [+] 1288377;1443615292;davout;i asked for september's settlement holders list on sept 21, and I got it shortly afterwards, and you were delivered shortly after that 1288378;1443615385;jurov;oh.. nevermind 1288379;1443615440;davout;that i have to ask, despite the contract clearly saying the exact opposite is something that is apparently obvious to everyone but me 1288380;1443615490;davout;in direct contradiction of 4.1 of said contract, btw 1288381;1443615612;davout;anyway, the fact that deliveries actually occur in much less than two weeks(tm) is what ultimately matters to me 1288382;1443615646;jurov;i think mp was talking about 2.4 d .. that "tacit agreement" means you being around and alive 1288383;1443615756;davout;i read "tacit" as "not requiring being explicit about it" not much more 1288384;1443615860;jurov;time to clarify, i guess 1288385;1443615912;davout;to me, the "davout is dead or unresponsive" case is covered by the "market maker's deposit"-related parts 1288386;1443615954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00068113 = 2.6224 BTC [-] 1288387;1443616035;davout;jurov: i think everyone's thoughts are pretty clear now 1288388;1443618400;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287990 <-- it is a bit odd to focus on planned parenthood and not the nazi connection dontcha think? 1288389;1443618400;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 23:42:10; BingoBoingo: http://m.snopes.com/prescott-bush-planned-parenthood/ 1288390;1443618419;funkenstein_;and damn that ICD-10 or whatever AMA idiocy you linked BingoBoingo was an eye opener. Official policy appears to be that top level doctors and surgeons are to be treated like morons. 1288391;1443618437;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288078 <-- sure I'll bite, why not? :) 1288392;1443618437;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 04:10:24; mircea_popescu: red indian tribes in new england might have had it independently, but unfortunately the society was woman-centric and so it tripped all over itself and died before we could give a shit. 1288393;1443618472;funkenstein_;like, what would that even mean, "women-centric"? Perhaps that as a man you would move in at your mother-in-law's place and take their name. 1288394;1443618486;funkenstein_; An arrangement that doesn't sound too bad to me, having a house given to you as well as babysitters and cooks 1288395;1443618557;funkenstein_;meanwhile chiefs, warriors, politicos, doctors - still were most always male gender 1288396;1443618624;funkenstein_;houses being passed on to the daughters is the main reason anthropologist use the word "matriarchy" 1288397;1443618634;funkenstein_;anyway the idea that any of this would have an affect on whether your kids were slaughtered by retarded orcs is oblique at best 1288398;1443618670;funkenstein_;people don't have to give a shit, nor crack a book. but then bringing it up as if they did give a shit doesn't seem productive does it? 1288399;1443618709;funkenstein_;today i saw "alf" written in small fluorescent green letters on the side of greek orthodox church 1288400;1443618735;funkenstein_;mod6, thanks for the updated tutorial! 1288401;1443618821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.000685 = 6.0965 BTC [+] 1288402;1443618856;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_> anyway the idea that any of this would have an affect on whether your kids were slaughtered by retarded orcs is oblique at best << not obligue at all. see "common decency" comments. 1288403;1443618917;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/804babab76943f2c67c56ee16a7c3479/tumblr_nvcu52Qpk81tsn8x4o1_1280.jpg 1288404;1443618917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRzEnZ ) 1288405;1443618980;mircea_popescu;and ftr, what i mean by "women-centric" is that the sorts of concerns of women (pain avoidance) are priviledged as societal goals. this is both harmful to society's prospects of survival as it is harmful to ALL individual members, overall, of both sexes. 1288406;1443619579;funkenstein_;aha, perhaps something like a "the world is a loving mother and will take care of you" attitude? 1288407;1443619688;funkenstein_;doesn't always work out that way does it 1288408;1443619842;funkenstein_;I loled at butthurt Wagner :) 1288409;1443619913;funkenstein_;i heard his father, on his deathbed, said something like "do you think [Wilhelm] has any musical talent?" 1288410;1443620005;funkenstein_;off to the mines.. 1288411;1443621416;mod6;<+funkenstein_> mod6, thanks for the updated tutorial! << yw 1288412;1443621507;punkman;mod6, can haz graph with the 3 patches I sent to ml? curious how that'd look 1288413;1443621762;mod6;I might be able to throw that together. my version should be out for testing in the next week or so though if you just wanna wait. it'll build the whole graph for you with wild patches. 1288414;1443621793;mod6;i'm trying to wrap up all these automated cucumber tests & loose ends on some stuff. 1288415;1443622040;mod6;at this point, what it'll do is build a whole graphviz dotfile and output that to stdout or a file. the only part that it wont do (because you have to install `dot' separately) is for example: `dot -Tsvg > graph.html` 1288416;1443622093;mod6;i guess i could add a method that'll check if dot is installed, and if it is, then will generate the svg html file for you... but *shrug* 1288417;1443622097;mod6;like i said, loose ends :] 1288418;1443622115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18509 @ 0.0006809 = 12.6028 BTC [-] {4} 1288419;1443622619;mod6;oh and also, your vpatches won't be added until after the release... so the graph will look a bit different with your 3 vpatches. 1288420;1443622668;mod6;like alf and I were discussing last week - we're going to create a release vpatch that will take all leaf edges and tie them up with a new release vertex. 1288421;1443622681;mod6;then yours will be added after that. 1288422;1443622737;punkman;mod6, release patch means every other patch you had not in release breaks though 1288423;1443622802;punkman;I don't see why it's better than release being a manifest with a patch sequence 1288424;1443622847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.000685 = 11.1655 BTC [+] 1288425;1443623017;mircea_popescu;o hey, redditard crowd finally catching up to 2013ish mpoe-pr, discovering btcjam is a scam ? 1288426;1443623027;mircea_popescu;this can actually only be good for bitcoin 1288427;1443623101;*;lobbes used to work with a guy that would come into office everyday talking about his btcjam 'investors club'; couldn't talk sense into the guy 1288428;1443623119;mircea_popescu;heh. 1288429;1443623124;mircea_popescu;you know that ballas bit right ? 1288430;1443623144;lobbes;I do not, no 1288431;1443623147;thestringpuller;I'm amazed BTCJam has survived so long. 1288432;1443623165;thestringpuller;There is a reason no one plays banker anymore. 1288433;1443623188;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/#selection-39.0-39.209 1288434;1443623189;assbot;The psychology of the bagholder on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP1RAY ) 1288435;1443623193;mircea_popescu;"The mistake is in thinking this has anything to do with the money. It's said that most at home traders fail, but this is incorrect: they fail at making money, but they are successful at feeling like a trader." 1288436;1443623221;lobbes;ahh yes. This rings a bell 1288437;1443623262;lobbes;that is essentially spot on to his MO. You could tell it was an 'emotional high' for the dude 1288438;1443623335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00068009 = 20.9808 BTC [-] {5} 1288439;1443624017;mircea_popescu;aha 1288440;1443624713;mod6;So, if I make a test-release.vpatch to tie up the leafs for what we have in "v0.5.4-TEST2" or what we're calling "v0.5.4" then it ties up "asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch" and "asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch". If your patches are added after that, they become leafs along with the "test-release.vpatch". 1288441;1443624731;mod6;I have a screenshot I've put up for you to see: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/release-vpatch-wDebugSanity.png 1288442;1443624732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rg0Ku4 ) 1288443;1443624944;mircea_popescu;also, literature! http://31.media.tumblr.com/c891b3322ce2ebbd2511f7b5d1ce4c9b/tumblr_nvctwjg8Uw1tsn8x4o1_500.gif 1288444;1443624945;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YOCGUh ) 1288445;1443625154;deedbot-;[Trilema] ¿No se puede? Ba pe-a ma-tii. - http://trilema.com/2015/%c2%bfno-se-puede-ba-pe-a-ma-tii/ 1288446;1443625359;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1288447;1443625387;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288440 << this is not a bug. it is correct behaviour. 1288448;1443625387;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 14:51:53; mod6: So, if I make a test-release.vpatch to tie up the leafs for what we have in "v0.5.4-TEST2" or what we're calling "v0.5.4" then it ties up "asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch" and "asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch". If your patches are added after that, they become leafs along with the "test-release.vpatch". 1288449;1443625445;ascii_field;it breaks the 'come to expect' of some folks, likely. but it ~correctly~ displays flow. 1288450;1443625562;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288304 << aha. so far only a few pesthole states, and even in these, strictly ceremonial gesture 1288451;1443625562;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 08:30:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287904 << except maryland wasn't one of them. 1288452;1443625583;mircea_popescu;but the thing you referenced was specifically maryland ? 1288453;1443625609;mircea_popescu;you can't propose x theory is exemplified by y trend when the core of y is different from the elements of x. 1288454;1443625686;ascii_field;i was speaking of overall neg-pr campaign against municipal police in all if usa 1288455;1443625694;ascii_field;*of usa 1288456;1443625734;mircea_popescu;but blacklivesmatter is a maryland thing, and the "arrest usg twerps" is a "other states than maryland" thing. 1288457;1443625741;ascii_field;mno 1288458;1443625748;ascii_field;usa-wide thing 1288459;1443625756;mircea_popescu;usa is not a thing. 1288460;1443625765;ascii_field;ferguson, for instance, is not in md. 1288461;1443625771;thestringpuller;"The FEDS are your friends." 1288462;1443625775;mircea_popescu;which usa for that matter ? cali-usa ? washdc-usa ? 1288463;1443625792;ascii_field;black usa? 1288464;1443625810;mircea_popescu;black usa is pretty much georgia 1288465;1443625854;mircea_popescu;[centered on] 1288466;1443625888;thestringpuller;What?!? 1288467;1443625898;ascii_field;btw when usa folk think 'black', generally this means urbanscartissuefolk 1288468;1443625901;mircea_popescu;iirc, the entire "arrest feds" thing was arizona -nm-texas. 1288469;1443625918;ascii_field;it was. but usg cauterized the wound 1288470;1443625921;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in related lolz : http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pot-legal-d-c-congressman-threatens-send-city-officials-prison/ 1288471;1443625922;assbot;Feds Threaten D.C. Officials with Prison If they Go Through with Pot Legalization on Thursday | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1YOEwo7 ) 1288472;1443625927;thestringpuller;How is black USA pretty much Georgia? 1288473;1443625983;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller well what is it ? 1288474;1443625994;mircea_popescu;it's not north dakota is it ? 1288475;1443626049;ascii_field;but it is la and baltimore and dc 1288476;1443626067;ascii_field;wherever there is 'concrete jungle' 1288477;1443626076;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1288478;1443626096;mircea_popescu;the notion that blacks matter in la... get off it. it's all hispanics. 1288479;1443626124;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i feel like there is southern black people here, but Georgia is mainly rednecks. 1288480;1443626124;ascii_field;they matter in the sense of keeping poor whites out ? 1288481;1443626145;mircea_popescu;dude were you even in la ? 1288482;1443626159;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it is ? 1288483;1443626195;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Atlanta has a lot of black folk. But Georgia as a whole is mainly rednecks. 1288484;1443626200;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller afaik (mebbe out of date) georgia has the largest black population of the union 1288485;1443626207;thestringpuller;The suburbs of Atlanta are mainly white people factory. 1288486;1443626222;mircea_popescu;it not being a terribly populous state, this makes the percent markedly higher than say ny or la 1288487;1443626242;mircea_popescu;like 30% or some shit 1288488;1443626273;mircea_popescu;doubt anything else is even over 20. maybe mississippi 1288489;1443626281;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288115 << he lost his head at the cia's pleasure 1288490;1443626281;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 04:49:18; mircea_popescu: scarcely 50 years have passed since the last executed president. 1288491;1443626284;thestringpuller;yea it's number 3 but there are more in surrounding states like missipi and LA (the state) 1288492;1443626299;thestringpuller;in percent of population 1288493;1443626314;mircea_popescu;a ok 1288494;1443626316;thestringpuller;but yea I guess it is #1 in the union for black people 1288495;1443626326;thestringpuller;with a whopping 3million negros! 1288496;1443626338;thestringpuller;New York is in close 2nd 1288497;1443626340;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is never about the pop % ! it is about cities 1288498;1443626358;thestringpuller;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population << Has a list for reference based on census. 1288499;1443626370;mircea_popescu;eh it's about telling stories. how the heck wouldja infer that "at cia's pleasure" either. 1288500;1443626383;mircea_popescu;dude check that out. 1288501;1443626385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00067979 = 16.5189 BTC [-] 1288502;1443626393;*;mircea_popescu pats himself on back for his cia factbook quality 1288503;1443626394;ascii_field;the real estate racket conscripted these folks to make prime city areas uninhabitable 1288504;1443626430;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that aside, your theory was that the entire black lives matter narrative is somehow "at cia's pleasure" and for the purpose of countering the "arrest feds" movement. 1288505;1443626437;ascii_field;nono 1288506;1443626439;mircea_popescu;neither of these two stands. 1288507;1443626447;ascii_field;death of jfk 1288508;1443626448;mircea_popescu;well then ? 1288509;1443626453;ascii_field;other thread 1288510;1443626468;thestringpuller;black people cared more about the death of MLK than JFK... 1288511;1443626472;mircea_popescu;i conflated because it seems to me you're generally just post-dating any event that happened to "cia's will" 1288512;1443626475;mircea_popescu;meta-nsa, whatever. 1288513;1443626517;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if you think about it, 3 mn is not really all that much. 1288514;1443626517;ascii_field;cia per se only re: jfk 1288515;1443626538;mircea_popescu;i'm unpersuaded. 1288516;1443626544;mircea_popescu;some obscure cell seems much more probable. 1288517;1443626550;ascii_field;brb 1288518;1443626696;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1288519;1443626734;ascii_field;recommended, 'death and life of great american cities' (jacobs) 1288520;1443626794;ascii_field;short version, proto-usg squeezed out poor white catholics, who were slow to 'get with the program', from urban centers, with 'population replacement' gambit where 'housing projects' were built and filled with lumpens 1288521;1443626851;mircea_popescu;i am unpersuaded by that, either. 1288522;1443626881;mircea_popescu;what remains here is : a) that the usg is very vulnerable, has always been, and far from a "you can do nothing to us" a top guy is killed every few decades, and the lower agents get popped daily. 1288523;1443626889;mircea_popescu;in fact it's safer to be a criminal than a usg agent. 1288524;1443626897;ascii_field;fact is, poor whites are virtually absent from urban centers. whether martians removed them, or something else, can be debated. the demographics - not so much 1288525;1443626917;mircea_popescu;and b) that there's scant relation between the raping of the usg in the states as per the marijuana thing ands the raping of the usg in other states as per the blacks thing 1288526;1443626926;ascii_field;!s lon horiuchi 1288527;1443626927;assbot;5 results for 'lon horiuchi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lon+horiuchi 1288528;1443626935;ascii_field;^ among the most hated men alive, but in great health! 1288529;1443626944;mircea_popescu;this is like observing that beggars are absent from the countryside. 1288530;1443626952;mircea_popescu;of course they are. they go to the subway entrances. 1288531;1443627024;ascii_field;re: the dope wars: wake me up when dea agents are packed off to jails for enforcing their laws, and convoyed by state national guard if need be 1288532;1443627052;ascii_field;(will be mega-interesting in d.c., as it has no national guard proper afaik) 1288533;1443627061;mircea_popescu;aha. 1288534;1443627069;mircea_popescu;im sure it can call out for volunteers :D 1288535;1443627082;mircea_popescu;(something along these lines is the reasonable expectation re the breakup. 1288536;1443627093;mircea_popescu;ru will certainly send 100k people if there's a way.) 1288537;1443627106;ascii_field;perhaps it will invent teleporter. 1288538;1443627117;mircea_popescu;what, like the 50mn illegals did ? 1288539;1443627134;ascii_field;those are here at the pleasure of lizard cathedral. 1288540;1443627178;mircea_popescu;nonsense. 1288541;1443627191;mircea_popescu;they are there at the raping of the lizard cathedral. 1288542;1443627196;mircea_popescu;just like the russian volunteers would be. 1288543;1443627211;ascii_field;they do 90% of the physical labour. 1288544;1443627224;mircea_popescu;and the volunteers would do 90% of the shooting 1288545;1443627230;mircea_popescu;and the rotterham pakis did 90% of the teen fucking 1288546;1443627232;mircea_popescu;so what of it. 1288547;1443627232;ascii_field;including the hard work of properly terrorizing whites to keep real estate expensive 1288548;1443627245;ascii_field;~precisely~ same purpose, aha 1288549;1443627259;mircea_popescu;there is no purpose to human affairs. 1288550;1443627276;ascii_field;we are looking at a crafted system, no less than so than a pentium 1288551;1443627288;ascii_field;not a naturally-occurring sludge pool 1288552;1443627295;ascii_field;there is sludge being pumped, yes 1288553;1443627304;ascii_field;but through pipes, put there with purpose. 1288554;1443627385;mircea_popescu;we are not. 1288555;1443627402;ascii_field;usa is a 'divide and conquer' affair from the very start. 1288556;1443627421;ascii_field;when slaves were set against the 'indentured men' 1288557;1443627471;mircea_popescu;this is too reductive to be usable. 1288558;1443627484;mircea_popescu;for one thing "usa" did not exist from the very start. 1288559;1443627495;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, formulate example of 'usable' hypothesis here ? 1288560;1443627517;mircea_popescu;"usa" was the brand name a few disparate centers of population and of a few slightly more coherent centers of production used for a brief interval between two european wars. 1288561;1443627521;*;ascii_field is taking 'very start' to refer, as it conventionally did, to the english colonies of 17th and 18th c. 1288562;1443627523;mircea_popescu;it has no more substance to it than "revlon" 1288563;1443627540;ascii_field;shorthand for 'the lands which became modern usa' 1288564;1443627548;mircea_popescu;there is no contemporary usa. 1288565;1443627563;mircea_popescu;there WAS, briefly, a thing called usa. it started cca 1905 and ended cca 1960 1288566;1443627573;mircea_popescu;as the outermost extensions 1288567;1443627723;mircea_popescu;it was replaced by "the us", but much in the way things changed from the pre-brejnev soviets to the post, it is now a label to distance oneself from. 1288568;1443627738;mircea_popescu;nobody seriously professed a hatred of the usa, or professes a love of the us. 1288569;1443627763;ascii_field;nobody ? 1288570;1443627778;mircea_popescu;pushing a point, but no, even the teeth clenching arabs were in love with the usa. 1288571;1443627791;ascii_field;i suppose this is a technical, mircea_popescuing sense of 'nobody', where million half-imbecile schoolchildren singing the anthem don't count as 'body 1288572;1443627852;mircea_popescu;iirc this is no longer a thing. 1288573;1443627855;mircea_popescu;and hasn't been for years. 1288574;1443627857;ascii_field;sure it is 1288575;1443627874;ascii_field;or, it was, when i was a schoolboy 1288576;1443627881;ascii_field;20y ago. 1288577;1443627927;mircea_popescu;"According to a 2004 Harris Interactive survey, nearly two out of three Americans (61 percent) are unable to recall all of the words to The Star-Spangled Banner" 1288578;1443627929;mircea_popescu;gimme a break ? 1288579;1443627963;thestringpuller;O' Say does that star spangled banner yet waaaaaave! 1288580;1443627964;ascii_field;but they can whistle it ! 1288581;1443627971;ascii_field;this is a passing mark in this day and age. 1288582;1443627990;mircea_popescu;methinks the perch you stand on is awash. 1288583;1443627991;thestringpuller;damn I'm one those 61% 1288584;1443628011;thestringpuller;i totally don't know the national anthem 1288585;1443628023;*;ascii_field can do the su anthem but has trouble with last 2 stanzas of usaian 1288586;1443628038;mircea_popescu;mmkay. 1288587;1443628056;*;mircea_popescu even vaguely remembers the rsr anthem, notwithstanding that we DIDNT actually have to do it in school. 1288588;1443628069;ascii_field;союз нерушимый республик свободных...... 1288589;1443628096;mircea_popescu;btw, it's a pretty shitty anthem i always thought. 1288590;1443628102;mircea_popescu;musically speaking. 1288591;1443628118;mircea_popescu;i mean these ppl do not understand wtf an anthem's supposed to be or what is this toothpaste. 1288592;1443628122;ascii_field;i for one find it to be the only musically bearable one i've ever heard ! 1288593;1443628127;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 1288594;1443628130;ascii_field;i suppose 'different stokes for different folkz' 1288595;1443628133;*;mircea_popescu is partial to german marches. 1288596;1443628144;mircea_popescu;now THAT makles a good anthem. 1288597;1443628149;ascii_field;fredericus rex ! 1288598;1443628165;mircea_popescu;for instance. but there's dozens of perfectly passible ones 1288599;1443628174;mircea_popescu;even their current one (wacth am rhein iirc ?) is good. 1288600;1443628231;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288003 << beaten to a pulp in ancient logz... 1288601;1443628231;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 00:39:53; jurov: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/28/this-sleazy-and-totally-illegal-savings-scheme-may-be-the-future-of-retirement/ 1288602;1443628233;ascii_field;!s tontine 1288603;1443628234;assbot;9 results for 'tontine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tontine 1288604;1443628242;mircea_popescu;aha. 1288605;1443628306;ascii_field;esp. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#476686 1288606;1443628306;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2014 00:55:48; asciilifeform: a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail 1288607;1443628405;jurov;we are nearing the inevitable stage when everything will be in logs already 1288608;1443628421;mircea_popescu;marking a complete torah. 1288609;1443628428;ascii_field;talmud 1288610;1443628444;mircea_popescu;right. 1288611;1443628454;jurov;no, talmud is therealbitcoin mailing list 1288612;1443628460;mircea_popescu;btw, since all the cia talk necessarily leads one to thinking of waco : 1288613;1443628466;mircea_popescu;anyone familiar with the antics of the victims there ? 1288614;1443628471;ascii_field;aha 1288615;1443628478;mircea_popescu;like, for instance, the one time that dude vying for power with some other dude DUG UP A CASKET 1288616;1443628488;mircea_popescu;and challenged his opponent to a RESURECTION CONTEST ? 1288617;1443628498;mircea_popescu;like you know, wager of combat ^ -e 1288618;1443628535;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1288619;1443628632;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it was the very textbook example of usg powershow modus operandi - pick on the borderline retarded, preferably ones who practice voodoo to a degree repugnant to the tvtronic public 1288620;1443628668;ascii_field;polygamy busts were (are?) also popular for this reason 1288621;1443628675;ascii_field;(bonus element of envy !) 1288622;1443628700;mircea_popescu;oh right. how about the time when "it was decided" only the one schmuck can fuck, and the husbands of the women involved are to be liek you know, celibate now. 1288623;1443628718;ascii_field;cult sop ? 1288624;1443628765;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that. 1288625;1443628772;mircea_popescu;more like, "small island tribal chieftain" sop. 1288626;1443628784;mircea_popescu;which i guess describes the us as well as it describes polynesia, sure. 1288627;1443628795;ascii_field;described the voodoo enclaves, no ? 1288628;1443628837;mircea_popescu;i dunno that this nonsense sexual stellarity is all that common in practice. 1288629;1443628850;ascii_field;these were nucleation points for 'militia movement' in the '90s, which was, afaik, five parts usg provocateurship to one part genuine, if imbecilic, organized rebellion - which had to be nuked 1288630;1443628868;ascii_field;and so it was. 1288631;1443628952;mircea_popescu;i do not for a moment believe the ridiculous antics of nutty neoprotestant biggots in rural texas are a nucleation for anything. 1288632;1443628960;mircea_popescu;including a syphilis outbreak. 1288633;1443628990;ascii_field;they were ~to usg~ 1288634;1443628999;ascii_field;we are discussing psychiatric picture, not reality as such 1288635;1443629133;mircea_popescu;you are attempting psychiatry on an undefined, noncorporeal entity ? 1288636;1443630047;mircea_popescu;"After the ceasefire, the Branch Davidians allowed the ATF dead and wounded to be evacuated and held their fire during the ATF retreat." 1288637;1443630064;mircea_popescu;the funny thing is, that the "marginally retarded" (which they were) had the usg agents so badly beaten it was fucking ridiculous. 1288638;1443630105;mircea_popescu;in fact anyone even survived to tell the story because these derps allowed it. could just as well have executed the entire bunch. 1288639;1443630106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00067979 = 4.1467 BTC [-] 1288640;1443630370;mircea_popescu;hey mike_c diana_coman is looking for noob miners 1288641;1443630400;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1288642;1443630416;mike_c;yeah.. my available gaming time is down to nil right now. Busy working on a sekrit project. 1288643;1443630433;mike_c;it will be.. amazing. 1288644;1443630433;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1288645;1443630437;mike_c;ty assbot. 1288646;1443630483;mircea_popescu;o ? cool 1288647;1443630572;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if they had massacred the fbi troops, the likely response (according to some sources, it was already in the works at the time) was aerial bombardment until nothing moves 1288648;1443630580;mircea_popescu;so ? 1288649;1443630585;mircea_popescu;im sure they deeply cared. 1288650;1443630588;ascii_field;so apparently they cared ? 1288651;1443630592;ascii_field;or else why the ceasefire 1288652;1443630597;mircea_popescu;dude spare me the bullshit bluffs. 1288653;1443630612;mircea_popescu;the likely response would have been exactly what argentina response is in similar to scale incidents 1288654;1443630619;mircea_popescu;run away screaming and pretend nothing ever happened. 1288655;1443630620;mircea_popescu;wtf. 1288656;1443630632;mircea_popescu;what happened when they got anally raped at tikrit ? 1288657;1443630664;mircea_popescu;"areal bombardment until nothing is ever mentioned again in the agitprop press" 1288658;1443630669;ascii_field;and when the now-appearently-sovereign little enclave starts minting methcoin, polygamically rogering nomenklature daughters, and sheltering assassins ? 1288659;1443630700;mike_c;bombardment like bombs? seems unlikely they would drop bombs in texas. 1288660;1443630723;ascii_field;mike_c: ever consider what national guard is for ? 1288661;1443630733;ascii_field;and why it is equipped with bombs (it is) 1288662;1443630737;mike_c;so this would have been first time ever? 1288663;1443630747;mike_c;national guard is for sending to iraq when they run out of regulars 1288664;1443630747;ascii_field;1st since cw1 1288665;1443630768;ascii_field;this would, logically, be cw2. 1288666;1443630786;mircea_popescu;mike_c it's out of the question. 1288667;1443630791;mike_c;well, cw1 didn't have bombs 1288668;1443630798;mike_c;not aerial ones at least 1288669;1443630806;ascii_field;cw1 had artillery. 1288670;1443630878;mircea_popescu;if you're thinking an ailing, falling under its own weight bureaucracy - not even this one in particular, any one - is actually brimming with the virility of youth and ready to escalate until nothing's left you're seriously from a different movie. 1288671;1443630894;mircea_popescu;old men put all their all into their first scream because that's all they got. 1288672;1443630902;mircea_popescu;you scream louder and that's the end of the fucking story. 1288673;1443630919;ascii_field;that bus mats rode in was full of emasculated old men ? 1288674;1443630936;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1288675;1443630954;*;ascii_field was not able to learn this with naked eye 1288676;1443630992;mircea_popescu;in any case, i have had opportunity to try this in the field : when i maneuvered teh demonstrators around the "security cordon", they didn't do anything. they fell back. cuz wtf were they gonna do. 1288677;1443631019;mircea_popescu;this is universal. if the hrt team gets blown to bits, they run off. what fucking "aerial bombardment", you think that's how it goes, someone feels like it one day and that's it, go ? 1288678;1443631022;ascii_field;strong state does not degenerate to a point where you can ask this question. 1288679;1443631042;ascii_field;which is why usg is not considering what part of texas to bomb today. 1288680;1443631049;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1288681;1443631294;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288069 << i like this as much as anybody, but a) i don't expect to ever live to see it come back and b) if i did live to see it, would probably end up on the suitcase-carrying side of the equation, so i don't especially cry from not living to see it. 1288682;1443631294;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 04:02:22; mircea_popescu: and the entire society is organised around this notion. 1288683;1443631370;mircea_popescu;this is exactly like saying cca 1915 that "you don't expect to ever live to see computers and if you do you'll prolly be on the side of polishing the casings". 1288684;1443631394;mircea_popescu;this is broadly missing the point, because the sides you'd know about pre aren't a good representation of the sides that actually exist post. 1288685;1443631422;ascii_field;i'm not sure there ever were, or could be, more than two sides of the menial labour counter 1288686;1443631509;mircea_popescu;it's more complicated. the benefits that acrue from living in a sane society are not directly apparent in insanity-land. best one could tell the porter of 1950 was way happier than the bill de blasio of 2010. 1288687;1443631529;ascii_field;but i dont wanna be a porter. 1288688;1443631531;mircea_popescu;in any case, i know that if it were possible to never ever run into either an idiot or idiot droppings, i'd gladly carry cases for the rest of my lives. 1288689;1443631536;ascii_field;in 1950, 550, 50, or 2050. 1288690;1443631544;mircea_popescu;i sorta feel about these like i imagine you feel about rats. 1288691;1443631558;ascii_field;i don't really distinguish the quadripedal and bipedal rat 1288692;1443631689;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288099 << ahahahaha yes. 1288693;1443631689;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 04:41:02; mircea_popescu: also asciilifeform might enjoy http://uncouthreflections.com/2015/09/28/the-real-problem-of-sexual-assault-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-32725 discussion 1288694;1443631757;mircea_popescu;According to the FBI, Steve SchneiderKoresh's top aide, who "probably realized he was dealing with a fraud"shot and killed Koresh and then killed himself with the same gun. 1288695;1443631765;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha yeah, that is SO VERY TOTALLY what happened. 1288696;1443631777;mircea_popescu;magda realised she's dealing with a fraud so she killed herself and her kids. logic! 1288697;1443631779;ascii_field;'he ran into my knife! ten times!' 1288698;1443631825;ascii_field;see also death of harris & klebold. 1288699;1443631835;ascii_field;(~exact~ same Official picture) 1288700;1443632010;ascii_field;'I asked a professor for help with a problem. He talked to me for a bit and then said “You’re having trouble with this problem because you don’t know anything and you’re not working very hard.”' << win 1288701;1443632117;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how does http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288105 work with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288108 ? 1288702;1443632117;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 04:42:57; mircea_popescu: the only just desserts of a castrated population is the humiliation ratchet. 1288703;1443632117;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 04:46:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287879 << see, the subtle differences make the difference. no, that's not what i say. 1288704;1443632148;mircea_popescu;your proposed "not pashtun" is not equal to my actual position! nor even very similar. 1288705;1443632168;ascii_field;roughly, 'unable to be herded by police like cattle' ? 1288706;1443632177;ascii_field;or is there some problem with this heuristic 1288707;1443632184;mircea_popescu;"have something to live for that's inside themselves" 1288708;1443632187;ascii_field;this, roughly, 'pashtunity' 1288709;1443632201;mircea_popescu;ie, humanity. 1288710;1443632225;ascii_field;!s berkem atomi 1288711;1443632227;assbot;0 results for 'berkem atomi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=berkem+atomi 1288712;1443632230;ascii_field;^ pseudonym 1288713;1443632247;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1288714;1443632249;ascii_field;wrote the little bit about 'extracting your will cock from its scabbard' etc 1288715;1443632288;ascii_field;he also had 'there are pigs... such as you, the reader... then there are jackals, who will eat your carcass when the collapse comes... and there are - or were, human beings. you have almost certainly never met one and never will, reader.' (translation mine) 1288716;1443632296;ascii_field;i suppose these human beings, above. 1288717;1443632320;mircea_popescu;it's really not that rare. just uncommon to be speaking english. 1288718;1443632326;ascii_field;aha. 1288719;1443632407;mircea_popescu;o look, even had a twitter. 1288720;1443632425;ascii_field;http://zhurnal.lib.ru/b/berkem_a_a/paniker.shtml << the essay. in case phf or mircea_popescu feels like translating 1288721;1443632427;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLc4NW ) 1288722;1443632429;mircea_popescu;why and how did mquin decide spamming's a good idea. 1288723;1443633163;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1c1148c4bbd7cdb794586ad36d25b517/tumblr_nvehzidGqT1tsn8x4o2_400.gif 1288724;1443633164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEKUrP ) 1288725;1443633343;ascii_field;'The police major—perhaps in mind of the nationwide spate of police killings by thugs—decided to speak to this loitering person. The content of the conversation is not yet known. The cop did tell the idiot to show his hands. The idiot refused to show his empty hands. The cop shot him in the leg—I bet that shit hurt! The major then took off his own belt and used it as a tourniquet and the last I heard the boy bl 1288726;1443633343;ascii_field;under was in stable condition. The major is on administrative leave.' << as far as i can tell, it was the 'rats' who escalated from clubs and knives to pistols, over ~50 yrs., in the police-vs-rats warz 1288727;1443633427;ascii_field;at one point, it was understood (at least by urbanites) in usa that killing a cop means the electric chair first and questions later. 1288728;1443633476;ascii_field;it is interesting to watch old films and see things like people going quietly to police station when asked, politely ! 1288729;1443633487;ascii_field;or ru films where a murder suspect is not even in handcuffs! 1288730;1443633489;mircea_popescu;at that point, it was still the usa. 1288731;1443633490;ascii_field;(believe! this was sop.) 1288732;1443633758;mircea_popescu;;;google define aferation 1288733;1443633759;gribble;Aferrar - Diccionario de español / Spanish Dictionary: ; aferrar - Diccionario Inglés-Español WordReference.com: ; The lJniversity of lTarwick - Department of Computer Science: 1288734;1443633764;mircea_popescu;srsly ? 1288735;1443633813;mircea_popescu;dude this internet was made by retards. 1288736;1443633825;mircea_popescu;aferation is an english, 1288737;1443633827;mircea_popescu;word. 1288738;1443634075;mircea_popescu;it used to be latin, affero, where it meant to bring (ferry comes from the same fero root). it moved into french, where it meant to take over. it then slowly moved into a more figurative "to give oneself the airs of an office one does not yet have", at which point it moved into english, "to give oneself airs". 1288739;1443634315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0006795 = 11.4836 BTC [-] {4} 1288740;1443634955;mats;http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/derbycon5/mainlist 1288741;1443634957;assbot;Derbycon 2015 Videos (Hacking Illustrated Series InfoSec Tutorial Videos) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYcA3 ) 1288742;1443635216;punkman;mats, any picks? 1288743;1443635487;mats;the movfuscator talk is good, although i think you've already looked at the writeup 1288744;1443635508;mats;the wmi talk covered some stuff i haven't seen before 1288745;1443635882;mats;fun fact: an 'Untrusted' process can use a bug in COM impersonation with WMI to escalate to 'High Integrity' 1288746;1443636535;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3mztro/how_bitcoin_died_a_report_from_2025/ << l0lz. Bitcoin seems to illuminate the stupid for what they are. 1288747;1443637426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4182 @ 0.0006792 = 2.8404 BTC [-] 1288748;1443637511;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1288749;1443637526;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288746 << gimme my five minutes back. 1288750;1443637526;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 18:08:55; thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3mztro/how_bitcoin_died_a_report_from_2025/ << l0lz. Bitcoin seems to illuminate the stupid for what they are. 1288751;1443637535;ascii_field;(ok, 30 sec) 1288752;1443637551;ascii_field;what a waste of electron. 1288753;1443637835;thestringpuller;https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Nuclear_weapons << maybe this can make up for it 1288754;1443637887;ascii_field;thestringpuller: 'Since 2001-09-11, great stocks of (unclassified) information have been purged from US government sites. Various fellow travelers (see below) maintain partial archives. Relevant conference proceedings (high-density physics, etc) get snapped up on used book sites quickly.' << learn ru. 1288755;1443637890;ascii_field;problem solved. 1288756;1443637891;ascii_field;srsly. 1288757;1443637942;ascii_field;'My recommendations are to follow The Making of the Atomic Bomb and The Los Alamos Primer (see "Books", below) with a few nuclear engineering and physics texts, at which point you'll be well-equipped to daydream about your own neutron initiator ideas and radical implosion symmetries. ' << without exception engl. language material is crawling with deliberate and potentially lethal disinfo, on this and many other subjects. 1288758;1443637950;ascii_field;this was conscious and engineered. 1288759;1443637978;thestringpuller;"Don't be afraid to search through Russian papers; once you need to (you'll know when), they're sufficiently mathematically dense that you can follow along. The words are mainly just transitions anyway." 1288760;1443637991;ascii_field;don't use the engl. translations of these, either. 1288761;1443638060;ascii_field;verdict re: site: EOL snore. 1288762;1443638063;thestringpuller;https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/images/0/08/Ahmadinejad.jpg << you have to admit that's funny 1288763;1443638552;thestringpuller;sorry for boring you ascii_field :( 1288764;1443638707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.000685 = 11.508 BTC [+] 1288765;1443639074;ascii_field;just when some may have thought that it is impossible for 'kickstarter' users to get any dumber: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving 1288766;1443639076;assbot;The Skarp Laser Razor: 21st Century Shaving by Skarp Technologies — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1LksTS7 ) 1288767;1443639103;ascii_field;^ plausibility: approximately zero; money: $millions 1288768;1443639133;ascii_field;addendum now has film of the sc4mz0r burning his skin with what is - bet your arse - a hot nichrome wire 1288769;1443639143;ascii_field;but it is described as 'laser!' 1288770;1443639170;ascii_field;for bonus revulsion, picture what this tool would ~smell~ like if it were physically possible and worked. 1288771;1443639178;mircea_popescu;uh 1288772;1443639200;ascii_field;when i see something like this, i cannot help but wonder if 'kickstarter' is a straight money laundry for siphoning stolen cc# 1288773;1443639201;jurov;well.. laser depilation is a thing 1288774;1443639208;ascii_field;jurov: pointedly not the item claimed 1288775;1443639218;ascii_field;jurov: read the link. if you can stomach it. 1288776;1443639230;jurov;yes i saw it, funny 1288777;1443639235;ascii_field;perhaps the most egregious ks scam yet. 1288778;1443639288;mircea_popescu;ascii_field figured it out! 1288779;1443639307;mircea_popescu;yes dude, most of the "investments" are that. "oops we lost the money". right. 1288780;1443639322;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1288781;1443639344;ascii_field;there are a few indie computer games etc. sprinkled in for legitimacy 1288782;1443639359;ascii_field;(what is it called when honest folks end up doing this duty for a chumpatron..) 1288783;1443639386;mircea_popescu;bullock shilling ? 1288784;1443639391;ascii_field;possible 1288785;1443639406;ascii_field;i confess, i lack the full vocabulary to describe adequately a scamatron of this complexity. 1288786;1443639547;mircea_popescu;in similar newds, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9b7797cf96d2ab41c4693025c2fd8ebc/tumblr_nl9v66qyvE1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg 1288787;1443639548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkugjr ) 1288788;1443639592;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: why, do you suppose, the passers-by look so glum ? 1288789;1443639608;mircea_popescu;they are not aware. 1288790;1443639630;mircea_popescu;you have no idea how clueless people in the streets of a quaint european town are. 1288791;1443639673;ascii_field;is there no bus for them to end up under ? 1288792;1443639688;thestringpuller;LOL. Bitstamp is spamming me now. 1288793;1443639697;mircea_popescu;it's like an open air mall. 1288794;1443639703;thestringpuller;"We haven't seen you log in awhile, can we help you with KYC? We miss you!" 1288795;1443639754;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288765 << damn. beat me to it. hilarious video btw. full of the most inept posturing and junior high classroom 'tech' 1288796;1443639754;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 18:51:14; ascii_field: just when some may have thought that it is impossible for 'kickstarter' users to get any dumber: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving 1288797;1443639852;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288363 << super read. just what i needed today :) 1288798;1443639852;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 11:12:15; deedbot-: [Trilema] How the world worked back when the world worked - http://trilema.com/2015/how-the-world-worked-back-when-the-world-worked/ 1288799;1443639860;mircea_popescu;lol 1288800;1443639871;mircea_popescu;hey pete_dushenski, what do you do in your spare time ? 1288801;1443639881;mircea_popescu;by which i mean, when you're not here/writing on your blog etc. 1288802;1443639957;mats;payment processing networks are rolling out updates for 'emv' support at midnight in usa 1288803;1443640044;ascii_field;'Starting Thursday, merchants will be held fully liable for any losses due to credit card fraud if they are not geared up for the new, more secure, chip cards. And consumers will need to change their habit of swiping their credit cards to pay: Instead, they "dip" their new cards into terminals and leave them there until the transaction is complete. That is, if the retailer they're shopping at has the necessary equipment.' 1288804;1443640044;ascii_field;<< mega-snore. 1288805;1443640050;ascii_field;1) merchants were ALWAYS liable 1288806;1443640066;ascii_field;2) the new cards are BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE for www purchases and equally scammable 1288807;1443640073;ascii_field;(can use the cc # to buy) 1288808;1443640075;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu property manager of a small, older commercial building that my father owns. 6 tenants, 100 occupants, fun little project. also manage two residential properties. also manage a small start-up in the construction materials space, we make the first/only/bestest fibreglass composite curtain wall framing. and then there's the little one. le petit monstre... 1288809;1443640082;mats;if you have plans to buy things with your credit card tomorrow, should prob do it today, processing networks will be intermittently down 1288810;1443640113;mircea_popescu;here's the thing in my head : b-a is by now at a stage where it kinda needs its own pr agency. and you might be just the asshole to do that, if you swing that way. do you swing that way ? 1288811;1443640116;thestringpuller;mats: is this national? 1288812;1443640128;mats;yes 1288813;1443640142;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: pr agency, l0l! isn't that what moiety starved doing ? 1288814;1443640151;mircea_popescu;no. 1288815;1443640161;mircea_popescu;she starved doing the very scared of bombs secretary brit girl. 1288816;1443640169;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu how do you imagine this agency working ? 1288817;1443640181;pete_dushenski;i'm at essentially no risk of starvation, ftr. 1288818;1443640187;mircea_popescu;and the process of her starvation was that she starved on her own devices, b-a got her a place to stay and then she ran off. 1288819;1443640198;ascii_field;iirc pete_dushenski even sleeps ad libitum 1288820;1443640221;pete_dushenski;even with infant, i do indeed 1288821;1443640231;ascii_field;just the man for a 'Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success.' 1288822;1443640238;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski a pr agency is in this day and age a very simple affair, but somewhat time consuming. in principle, it can be reduced to a lone dude with an internet connection and two lists. one, longer, of useful social media derps. the sort that are willing to do the hard work of upvoting, derping on reddit, etc. the other, sadly shorter, of actual important people can talk to directly. like say "all newspaper column 1288823;1443640239;mircea_popescu;ists in so and so". 1288824;1443640281;mircea_popescu;building these is not particularly difficult,. but it takes time. more importantly, it takes determination. and the sort of attitude of the guy that hey, the managers don't wanna see, but since the phone is here... 1288825;1443640293;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: can't resist the question, what is the point of having the first of the lists ? 1288826;1443640306;mircea_popescu;faux "consensus" building. 1288827;1443640318;mircea_popescu;you know, like reddit all agreed that XT is gonna take over. 1288828;1443640333;*;ascii_field was under the impression that this is a waste of time 1288829;1443640354;ascii_field;at least as per mircea_popescutronic theory 1288830;1443640356;mircea_popescu;depends for whom. why allow the pinoys to make this money ? 1288831;1443640359;mircea_popescu;starve the enemy throughout. 1288832;1443640368;mircea_popescu;denial is a valid strategy. 1288833;1443640471;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how is this any different than marketing? 1288834;1443640485;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i believe i grok the first list - straightforward enough really, compile those on 'social media' on 'our side' and focus their energies accordingly - it's the second list i'm less clear about. 1288835;1443640498;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski arrington's success, you have to understand, is very little more than this. it's not a difficult recipe to read or follow. it just takes the hard worker to execute. 1288836;1443640510;mircea_popescu;one could argue that jobs genius is altogether not much above this either. 1288837;1443640544;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski no, it's more like, spend all your time on fiverr and craigslist and wherever the hungry congregate, spend a little money buying their ample time. 1288838;1443640565;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit about extant social media accounts. their value is not even a fractrion of the work they put in 1288839;1443640585;ascii_field;notice how dog sleds exist, but not rat sleds. 1288840;1443640586;mircea_popescu;what you want is shannonizing meatrobots, capable of pouring out more nonsense. they're cheaper than the electric type, as of yet. 1288841;1443640586;pete_dushenski;aha. so basically #1 is fighting fire with fire. 1288842;1443640588;ascii_field;or chicken sleds. 1288843;1443640604;mircea_popescu;ascii_field every circus worth its name has a flea sled. 1288844;1443640605;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288460 << Ferguson is in a Considers arresting USG state 1288845;1443640605;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 15:09:25; ascii_field: ferguson, for instance, is not in md. 1288846;1443640630;ascii_field;flea sled is great so long as it is not expected to go anywhere in particular. 1288847;1443640634;ascii_field;or carry anything. 1288848;1443640635;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, i figured he had me when he said that :p 1288849;1443640662;mircea_popescu;ascii_field which it isn't. 1288850;1443640688;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu and #2 is a list of journalists who may require quotes from time to time, which i would then provide directly or send them here to ask b-a directly ? 1288851;1443640689;ascii_field;then beautiful. 1288852;1443640715;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski as to the 2nd list : you want to build raport with those people. make a habit of taking one to lunch every week, if at all possible. 1288853;1443640723;mircea_popescu;(very fucking possible, they travel on starvation budgets) 1288854;1443640844;pete_dushenski;not to put too fine a point on it, but when and how is 'finance' or 'tech' journalist coming to buttfuck edmonton ? afaik they stay at home, work in nyc, or go to 'conpherences' 1288855;1443640972;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu but that's really just a practical matter, there are other ways to build rapport. the bigger question is 'why a pr agency' and 'why now?' 1288856;1443640995;pete_dushenski;it's surely more than just a make work project for me in your mind 1288857;1443641191;mircea_popescu;you familiar with all the alf parachute talk ? 1288858;1443641217;pete_dushenski;don't wait until you're falling from plane to build parachute ? 1288859;1443641233;mircea_popescu;that stuff. and besides, YOU travel now and again don't you ? 1288860;1443641241;mircea_popescu;you'll be going to a lot more conferences i guess. 1288861;1443641497;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i certainly traveled plenty pre-monstre, though this will be decidedly diminished for at least 6-12 months. also, such trips only once coincided with a conpherence. going forward, as most traveling i do is personal touristing, these are unlikely to coincide again. 1288862;1443641512;mircea_popescu;because why ? 1288863;1443641513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0006799 = 4.8273 BTC [-] 1288864;1443641516;pete_dushenski;furthermore, the expense of just taking trips to conpherenes seems prohibitive 1288865;1443641529;mircea_popescu;besides, i wouldn't expect this to get anywhere within 12 months. if it does within 36 i'll be impressed. 1288866;1443641543;pete_dushenski;well that's all you needed to say :) 1288867;1443641614;pete_dushenski;if 36 months is mp='impressed', then 48='so-so' and longer than that is 'pete wasn't the right man for the job' 1288868;1443641620;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1288869;1443641626;*;ascii_field wonders what interesting things may become part of the picture once enemy can no longer pretend to live in parallel '#b-a never existed' world 1288870;1443641650;mircea_popescu;haha time doesn't scale. but anyway, for it to exist in three years you'll be spending a lot of time on it throughout 1288871;1443641686;mircea_popescu;this is one of those things "anyone" could do except anyone is a socially awkward fuck and anyone lacks the focus and discipline for doing thigns more complex than microwaving. 1288872;1443641697;mircea_popescu;but other than that, anyone could do it! 1288873;1443641761;pete_dushenski;this may well be the right kind of b-a 'contribution' for me, given that i can't code worth a damn. 1288874;1443641785;pete_dushenski;ima mull it over and research a little further into this 'pr' business 1288875;1443641799;mircea_popescu;the only true drawback is that unlike real estate, this is a constant maintenance racket. everything you have at any point won't be useful in 5 years, or even 3. things move too fast. so its not one of those "do this right once it's done forever" stories like alf likes. it's more of a "hold this lamp up". 1288876;1443641832;pete_dushenski;that does sound a bit annoying 1288877;1443641863;pete_dushenski;i quite enjoy my time for reading, writing, etc... hmm. 1288878;1443641886;mircea_popescu;don't use up old age activities while you're young. 1288879;1443641899;mircea_popescu;you don't have the same options once you're in a retirement home. 1288880;1443641902;pete_dushenski;and ftr i'm nowhere near as speedy at these enjoyable activities as mp 1288881;1443641916;pete_dushenski;they take considerable time 1288882;1443641925;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu this is a point. 1288883;1443641926;mircea_popescu;i'm not speedy, i'm just existing on multiple planes at the same time is all. 1288884;1443641937;ascii_field;mircea_popescu's advice is good except in the cases of folks who don't expect to live to retire 1288885;1443641939;pete_dushenski;l0lk 1288886;1443641943;mircea_popescu;hehe 1288887;1443641972;pete_dushenski;eg. cynics from the pale. 1288888;1443642000;pete_dushenski;i mean realists !! 1288889;1443642245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26847 @ 0.00067873 = 18.2219 BTC [-] {6} 1288890;1443642525;mircea_popescu;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/living-in-strategic-denial/article/2569150 1288891;1443642527;assbot;Living in strategic denial | Washington Examiner ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhWynb ) 1288892;1443642537;mircea_popescu;check out what exists in washington! 1288893;1443642678;thestringpuller;;;google doherty threshold 1288894;1443642679;gribble;IBM: The Economic Value of Rapid Response Time: ; Doherty Threshold - Halt and Catch Fire Wiki: ; TIL about the Doherty Threshold: < 400ms response time addicting ...: (1 more message) 1288895;1443642707;ascii_field;aaaaand we cut to the chase, 1288896;1443642709;ascii_field;'To keep America's enemies from running up the score further, Obama will have to take more expansive military actions and increase defense spending. Perhaps Obama will come to realize this truth before he leaves office, as Jimmy Carter did in his last year. ' 1288897;1443642732;thestringpuller;!s doherty threshold 1288898;1443642733;assbot;0 results for 'doherty threshold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=doherty+threshold 1288899;1443642736;ascii_field;i.e. cheap shilling for 'lockheed', 'raytheon', et al. 1288900;1443642762;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288585 << Third verse is best verse. Country went downhill when it was dropped. 1288901;1443642762;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 15:47:03; *: ascii_field can do the su anthem but has trouble with last 2 stanzas of usaian 1288902;1443642826;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what, you spotted raytheon pr ? 1288903;1443642856;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'increase defense spending' in usa is dog whistle for 'moar f35 plz' 1288904;1443642874;ascii_field;considering that, without exception, it - and similar - is where the money goes. 1288905;1443642882;ascii_field;not to buy new boots for trigger-pullers, no. 1288906;1443642888;mircea_popescu;you know how this clarity media device works right ? 1288907;1443642903;ascii_field;? 1288908;1443642934;mircea_popescu;they do a sort of curated "pro-am" blog network. claim 3k new articles a day. 1288909;1443642980;ascii_field;l0l raytheon ad actually visible on this www ! 1288910;1443642984;ascii_field;i did not even notice it. 1288911;1443642992;ascii_field;no less than TWO OF THEM 1288912;1443642992;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of wikipedia meets that old women selling pots thing, i forget what it's called. 1288913;1443642993;ascii_field;identical. 1288914;1443643001;ascii_field;'tupperware 1288915;1443643002;ascii_field;' 1288916;1443643054;mircea_popescu;a right 1288917;1443643273;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a good model for it's market (middle america!!11), that enchanted fargo where meryl streep still falls in love with clint eastwood every late summer. 1288918;1443643303;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the depth of the contempt that the herders show for this particular variety of sheep is astonishing imho 1288919;1443643330;mircea_popescu;how do you count ? 1288920;1443643459;ascii_field;e.g., 'How Not to Make Planned Parenthood Squirm' 1288921;1443643472;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1288922;1443643476;ascii_field;or, 'What happens to schools in case of a shutdown?' 1288923;1443643489;ascii_field;^ anyone with half a neuron in usa knows that schools have nothing directly to do with the fed. gov. 1288924;1443643504;ascii_field;but this site is not angled at folks having this half a neuron or more 1288925;1443643516;ascii_field;and in this way is ~entirely~ typical for 'right wing usa' 1288926;1443643635;ascii_field;in the british world, 'daily mail' plays same role. 1288927;1443643719;*;mircea_popescu tends to remember obama goons trying to "close down parks" because hey. 1288928;1443643730;mircea_popescu;apparently trees standing also have something to do with the inept government. 1288929;1443643741;ascii_field;this is at least partly engineered for the purpose of reminding the more uppity members of the public that 'if you want to oppose transgendered studies scholarships, fine, but you will do so in the company of people who believe that cancer is caused by demons' 1288930;1443643823;mircea_popescu;irrespective. 1288931;1443643840;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 1288932;1443643840;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident. 1288933;1443643870;mircea_popescu;but this isn't a market. 1288934;1443643880;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu another 'pr' pregunta : how do you see it being funded given that there's more than just time required ? 1288935;1443643882;ascii_field;similarly, it is made clear that if you wish to oppose some particular usgism, you can do so in the company of impotent flat-earther twerps to your heart's content 1288936;1443643910;pete_dushenski;bbias. crying ! 1288937;1443643919;pete_dushenski;(not my crying) 1288938;1443643924;ascii_field;it is what 'fox news', for instance, is made for. 1288939;1443643935;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you get clients, work on their projects. like anyone else. 1288940;1443643953;mircea_popescu;this theory is unpersuasive. 1288941;1443643966;mircea_popescu;it's like "water's own weight will keep the water up". 1288942;1443643972;mircea_popescu;sure, for as long as you got an igloo. 1288943;1443643990;*;jurov finally came around to build 0.5.4-TEST2, if it sync, it will be new node 1288944;1443643993;mircea_popescu;in general any company is better than usg company by now, and consequently this approach, if it ever was seriously entertained, fails. 1288945;1443644000;mircea_popescu;cool jurov 1288946;1443644005;ascii_field;no, not any. 1288947;1443644007;mircea_popescu;now for chat in eulora ? :D 1288948;1443644011;ascii_field;the designated zoo of impotence is a dead end. 1288949;1443644038;ascii_field;it is same usg, but a special holding pen therein. 1288950;1443644052;ascii_field;lipsticked up to be somehow superficially 'opposition' 1288951;1443644061;ascii_field;a la zhirinovsky in late su. 1288952;1443644241;jurov;in other news, it may turn out my recent mental stupor was primarily not due to allergy, but lithium deficiency 1288953;1443644264;jurov;started taking a mineral water for this, seems to have improved, will see 1288954;1443644265;mircea_popescu;that's a thing ? 1288955;1443644269;ascii_field;^ 1288956;1443644271;ascii_field;was about to say 1288957;1443644285;mircea_popescu;i wasn't aware there's a lithium biological carry. 1288958;1443644286;jurov;i'm as sceptical as anyone. but it wa desperate 1288959;1443644295;mircea_popescu;zinc maybe. various other rare metals. 1288960;1443644297;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 1288961;1443644369;jurov;it was pointedly not a zinc, i was taking that one for some time 1288962;1443644380;mircea_popescu;aok 1288963;1443644427;mircea_popescu;general population is usually zinc deprived, and as a result most infections are drastically ameliorated by a little zinc intake 1288964;1443644615;pete_dushenski;;;google sources of dietary zinc 1288965;1443644616;gribble;zinc - The World's Healthiest Foods: ; Zinc — Health Professional Fact Sheet - Office of Dietary Supplements: ; Top 10 Foods Highest in Zinc - HealthAliciousNess . com: 1288966;1443644646;mircea_popescu;http://freebeacon.com/national-security/phony-ambassador-running-obamas-anti-islamic-state-diplomacy/ << in other lulz. 1288967;1443644647;assbot;Phony Ambassador Running Obama's Anti-Islamic State Diplomacy - Washington Free Beacon ... ( http://bit.ly/1VroVGD ) 1288968;1443644661;mircea_popescu;obama now appoints his own ambassadors, senate rubberstamp too expensive. 1288969;1443644678;pete_dushenski;#7: Cocoa and Chocolate (Cocoa Powder) << maybe *this* is why i've been craving hot chocolate the last month or so. 1288970;1443644685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.000685 = 15.0015 BTC [+] 1288971;1443644688;ascii_field;eh, jimmy carter 'practiced diplomacy without a license' for decades. 1288972;1443644690;ascii_field;no jail. 1288973;1443644702;mircea_popescu;"Until last night when the Free Beacon contacted the State Department to inquire about the discrepancy, McGurks official biography on the State Department website also falsely credited McGurk with the rank of ambassador." 1288974;1443644704;mircea_popescu;lulzy. 1288975;1443644705;ascii_field;'rule of law' is for plebes 1288976;1443644719;ascii_field;in usa as in su. 1288977;1443644741;mircea_popescu;ftr Gina Chon is kinda hot. 1288978;1443644932;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/sports/football/As-Worries-Rise-and-Players-Flee-a-Missouri-School-Board-Cuts-Football.html << i was expecting 'due to funding' but it's actually 'due to lack of players' ! 1288979;1443644935;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vrp9gU ) 1288980;1443644965;pete_dushenski;why don't kids want to play this popular usian sport ? injuries. 1288981;1443644971;pete_dushenski;safety. 1288982;1443644974;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yeah that started last year. 1288983;1443644981;pete_dushenski;these kids are worse than their mothers ! 1288984;1443644990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.000685 = 14.1453 BTC [+] 1288985;1443645009;pete_dushenski;i guess compared to being on your phone twixting your assistant prof, anything is dangerous 1288986;1443645027;thestringpuller;the lifespan of a football player's career is fairly small 1288987;1443645030;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo frankly, good on 'em 1288988;1443645048;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller exactly that. and when they're done, they're done like dinner 1288989;1443645084;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The sport really isn't for rich kids from Maplewood anyways. 1288990;1443645096;thestringpuller;^they play tennis 1288991;1443645104;thestringpuller;and sometimes golf 1288992;1443645134;pete_dushenski;country club sports. as you do. 1288993;1443645143;thestringpuller;I would expect the midwest to have baseball as the top sport. 1288994;1443645143;phf;mircea_popescu: you know it was just b-a of the 1800s. << i think of b-a as more of a stonemasone guild, then a fraternity. maybe in a couple of hundred years when b-a has hereditary wot ratings and ceremonial pgp keys that are not otherwise used for anything. the way i read that joke is that one has the trappings and the other has a trowel that is used for its direct purpose. 1288995;1443645145;mircea_popescu;i dun think i'd encourage any kid to play "professional" school sports. they don't get paid (no, 'scholarship' is not pay like coupons are not refunds) ; b) it's really fucking unhealthy. i mean being in shape is one thing. being "an athlete" is about as unhealthy as being a diabethic. 1288996;1443645165;mircea_popescu;phf well sure. 1288997;1443645195;Naphex;Looking too hire Talent Scouts for XOtika.tv; Job entails discoverying talent to perform on XOtika.TV and introduce them to the wonders of Bitcoin. You get a weekly allowence based on performance and 5% percentage of the tip amount received (permanent and stacking) by talent you find. 1288998;1443645200;ascii_field;mircea_popescu has it. and for sporty types, last i checked, there ~were~ sports that don't guarantee braindamage 1288999;1443645203;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: unhealthy mentally maybe, but all the athletes I know are physically fit like no other. 1289000;1443645224;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu being 'an athelete' is indeed a dangerous and unhealthful proposition. 1289001;1443645224;ascii_field;i have always seen american football as emblematic of usian anti-intellectualism. glorifying concussions, yes. 1289002;1443645227;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller you ~look~ vigorous and strong, but are as fragile as they come. 1289003;1443645245;ascii_field;not a real sport unless brain leaks from ears, nose. 1289004;1443645249;ascii_field;if you ask american. 1289005;1443645250;pete_dushenski;'can do X excellently but can't tie shoelaces w/o tearing acl' 1289006;1443645254;mircea_popescu;trinque we need that jobs board yo, teh cup runneth fulleth. 1289007;1443645263;mircea_popescu;then pete_dushenski can take as his first project promoting the jobs board :D 1289008;1443645297;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller give them a decade until all the hair bone cracks and microtorn ligaments start acting up 1289009;1443645375;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu (jobs board) that! (scars of 'athleticism') that again! 1289010;1443645404;pete_dushenski;then again, there aren't many avenues for teaching mental toughness and discipline outside of sports in north america 1289011;1443645411;pete_dushenski;unless i'm being insufficiently creative 1289012;1443645431;pete_dushenski;still a hard trade-off to made : mental for physical 1289013;1443645434;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4604d880d504b6a49e4ad43b9bfeeaa8/tumblr_nlosxph2rz1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg 1289014;1443645435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrpyQx ) 1289015;1443645435;pete_dushenski;make* 1289016;1443645445;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: 1289017;1443645456;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski so teach em to ride a horse. 1289018;1443645512;pete_dushenski;lol wouldn't that be an idea 1289019;1443645518;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu maybe for contact sports. But the runners are like one step from being a robot. 1289020;1443645592;mircea_popescu;they're still pushing it too hard. not as dangerous in running, sure. but school performance is running the 100meters in fifteen seconds, not trying for eight. 1289021;1443645706;pete_dushenski;well it's our first date afternoon/evening, both free from le petit monstre, so i'm off. cheers !! 1289022;1443645797;BingoBoingo; i have always seen american football as emblematic of usian anti-intellectualism. glorifying concussions, yes. << It's a tournament, or more a lottery market deal. It's for the poor kids to fight for the chance to make all the money they'll be able to for four years after the drop out of college in teir senior year 1289023;1443645816;BingoBoingo;"Opportunity" and all those buzzwords 1289024;1443645878;BingoBoingo;Then they build a mythology about how Maximum Concussion Sport is the epitome of Opportunity and the chance to earn your own social justice. 1289025;1443645924;BingoBoingo;Canada does this too with Hockey. 1289026;1443646115;phf;ascii_field: or ru films where a murder suspect is not even in handcuffs! << aha "На Севере, на его участках лесных Пеле и Мыке, Вае и Ветрянке, заключенные при перегоне (заключенные ведь не ходят, их «гоняют», это официальный словарь) требовали связать руки за спиной, чтоб конвой не м 1289027;1443646115;phf;подвергались смертельной опасности. «Убитых при попытке к бегству» было очень много." 1289028;1443646182;BingoBoingo;The big problem with American Football is that it is actually a combat sport, but a polite consensus has developed around not referring to it as such 1289029;1443646287;mircea_popescu;lafond has a pretty good point re the "yo mamma's gonna cash out on being the mother of a got-shot". 1289030;1443646299;mircea_popescu;this is like that except with less shot. technically a step up 1289031;1443646539;BingoBoingo;At least boxing was more honest about the crippling yourself for others amusement there. If you work hard enough and get good enough your head doesn't get hit as much. American football hitting your head against things is kinda mandatory. 1289032;1443646609;BingoBoingo;Recently they've been introducing new rules to football to penalize you from hitting otherpeople's heads in certain ways, but hitting your head is still mandatory. 1289033;1443646711;mircea_popescu;the head being actually a more advantageous place to be hit in than the liver, yeah you get hit. 1289034;1443646714;trinque;mircea_popescu | trinque we need that jobs board yo, teh cup runneth fulleth. << indeed! I estimate having something usable by the end of next weekend 1289035;1443646727;mircea_popescu;btw, you ever saw that incredible fight where romania's best boxer was totally gutted ? 1289036;1443646734;mircea_popescu;splendeed trinque 1289037;1443646739;BingoBoingo;I don't think I have 1289038;1443646778;mircea_popescu;;;google doroftei gatti 1289039;1443646779;gribble;Arturo Gatti v Leonard Dorin - YouTube: ; DOROFTEI KO - YouTube: ; Arturo Gatti vs Leonard Dorin [Full Fight] - YouTube: 1289040;1443646835;*;mircea_popescu still recalls the shock of that. 1289041;1443647372;BingoBoingo;Related http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/generals-sought-more-positive-coverage-document-shows.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0 1289042;1443647375;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4Fcjm ) 1289043;1443648964;phf;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/30/everyone-you-know-will-be-able-to-rate-you-on-the-terrifying-yelp-for-people-whether-you-want-them-to-or-not/ 1289044;1443648965;assbot;Everyone you know will be able to rate you on the terrifying ‘Yelp for people’ — whether you want them to or not - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgDFYj ) 1289045;1443649053;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1289046;1443649066;ascii_field;libelomatic. 1289047;1443649347;BingoBoingo;Linked from the libelotron piece https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/24/i-tried-out-cuddlr-the-tinder-for-cuddling-and-all-i-got-was-severely-creeped-out/ 1289048;1443649348;assbot;I tried out Cuddlr, the ‘Tinder for cuddling,’ and all I got was severely creeped out - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkPMVl ) 1289049;1443649382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00067813 = 10.7145 BTC [-] 1289050;1443649598;trinque;;;later tell funkenstein sadly, new parser ripped up your last deed. happily, the part it ingested included the signature. I've since sent the whole thing back through, and it should pop out shortly. 1289051;1443649598;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1289052;1443649657;trinque;I will keep the torn-off signature up there under block 376696. 1289053;1443649696;trinque;it seems that ply parsers are one-shot, or I've missed something. So far my observation is that if you call parse successively on the same parser object, it misbehaves 1289054;1443649870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14395 @ 0.000685 = 9.8606 BTC [+] 1289055;1443650205;BingoBoingo;Fuck Yes http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/pinkel-confirms-lock-will-start-vs-gamecocks/article_bd300dc7-de03-577a-bc07-05ac470c16ac.html 1289056;1443650206;assbot;Pinkel confirms Lock will start vs. Gamecocks : Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgFogk ) 1289057;1443650426;BingoBoingo;Following from http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/9/29/dear-gary-make-us-care/ 1289058;1443650427;assbot;Please Gary: Do the right thing – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgFIeW ) 1289059;1443650499;*;ascii_field would rather read his spam box than anything pertaining to football, and doesn't foresee this ever changing 1289060;1443650639;punkman;trinque: well you can't get nested structures by parsing the same string twice, it's gotta go in the grammar? 1289061;1443650724;trinque;punkman: grammar wasn't the problem, as I did not change it to fix his deed 1289062;1443650760;trinque;just started instantiating whatever ply object it is every time I go to parse 1289063;1443650768;trinque;seems stupid, yet I don't have the time currently to discover why 1289064;1443650784;trinque;grammar's just looking for headers, footers, and whatever 1289065;1443650818;BingoBoingo;* ascii_field would rather read his spam box than anything pertaining to football, and doesn't foresee this ever changing << Oh just highlighting the other aspect, something not meaningful which people are directed to rage about instead of their cattle pen 1289066;1443650883;ascii_field;phun phakt: i was once told, by a reliable source, that RAND corp., in its glory days, would NOT hire any man who confessed to taking an interest in football. 1289067;1443650980;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1289068;1443651002;BingoBoingo;In its glory days football was not the monster it is at present 1289069;1443651024;ascii_field;and yet ! 1289070;1443651093;BingoBoingo;Now http://www.rand.org/blog/2014/11/adults-are-concerned-about-sons-playing-football-especially.html 1289071;1443651094;assbot;Adults Are Concerned About Sons Playing Football, Especially the More Highly Educated and Obama 2012 Voters | RAND ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkTQoC ) 1289072;1443651118;BingoBoingo;Now RAND Copro cares 1289073;1443651293;cazalla;if i was american, i think i'd rather choose brain damage in sports over video games and ham planeting for my kids 1289074;1443652123;mats;vidya games are how i got into programming 1289075;1443652353;mats;skywing (ken johnson, guy that patented 'aslr') reversed the battle.net login protocol, and i used his documentation to write a chat client so i didn't have to keep starcraft open to maintain ops in a channel 1289076;1443652733;cazalla;yeah but for every one of you mats there is a million hamplanets playing cod, much better to be outside playing football (sure, watching is boring, but playing?) 1289077;1443652737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14753 @ 0.000685 = 10.1058 BTC [+] 1289078;1443652768;mats;sure, just wanted to share 1289079;1443653015;mats;folks that've read 'Uninformed' might recognize ken from his RE work on patchguard 1289080;1443653280;mats;http://poppopret.org/2013/12/18/reverse-engineering-a-furby 1289081;1443653282;assbot;Reverse Engineering a Furby | Michael Coppola's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkYL96 ) 1289082;1443655970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18024 @ 0.00068334 = 12.3165 BTC [-] 1289083;1443657141;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289073 << take up a dog or cat then - far better than footballer kid. 1289084;1443657141;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 22:14:53; cazalla: if i was american, i think i'd rather choose brain damage in sports over video games and ham planeting for my kids 1289085;1443657213;asciilifeform;nor does football or not have anything causal to do with 'becoming hamplanet' (it is virtually impossible without 'fast food') 1289086;1443657244;BingoBoingo;Or guide the kid into tennis et al 1289087;1443657278;asciilifeform;'hamplanet' as i understand is a mark of rancid, unrepentant, irremediable... spiritual poverty - rather than lack of physical exercise as such 1289088;1443657291;BingoBoingo; 'hamplanet' as i understand is a mark of rancid, unrepentant, irremediable... spiritual poverty - rather than lack of physical exercise as such << Pretty much 1289089;1443657376;BingoBoingo;Though former footballers often fall into the spiritual poverty of hamplanetary orbit after their "career" ends 1289090;1443657386;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1210/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-jan-2016/#b5 1289091;1443657578;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b11