1219996;1438387209;shinohai;That's all the altcoin world is
1219997;1438387313;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/BPoTj
1219998;1438387314;assbot;How many tumblrinas does it take to change a lightbulb? : Jokes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfwEoq )
1219999;1438387502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2854 @ 0.00051408 = 1.4672 BTC [-] {3} 
1220000;1438387533;phf;trinque: http://paste.lisp.org/display/152720
1220001;1438387534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie3Xos )
1220002;1438387715;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/pf << on top of everything else, phf shares alf's passion for a certain large cat!
1220003;1438387716;assbot;pf (Philip Fominykh) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfxS2P )
1220004;1438387752;shinohai;pallas
1220005;1438387806;phf;ha
1220006;1438387883;phf;i mostly need to make sure my developers get the right idea
1220007;1438387909;mircea_popescu;what idea is that ?
1220008;1438388009;phf;your merge request is probably poor, and i will get mad
1220009;1438388051;mircea_popescu;haha i c
1220010;1438388123;ben_vulpes;hey phf how much of bitcoind have you implemented in common lisp yet?
1220011;1438388170;shinohai;https://twitter.com/CyberExaminer/status/627271411510349824
1220012;1438388180;shinohai;bout time
1220013;1438388245;mircea_popescu;dude the dumb fuck actually stuck around ?
1220014;1438388252;mircea_popescu;too fat to fly or what exactly.
1220015;1438388286;phf;ben_vulpes: since last time i only added blkindex.dat reader
1220016;1438388289;shinohai;I would have thought he would already have been waaaaaaaaaaay away
1220017;1438388295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005358 = 11.734 BTC [+] {3} 
1220018;1438388309;shinohai;fagical tux
1220019;1438388311;mircea_popescu;i guess they served him with a stay put order a year ago
1220020;1438388410;ben_vulpes;p nice, phf
1220021;1438388451;mircea_popescu;!up alpalp
1220022;1438388500;shinohai;I just don't see this as a stellar idea: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/07/31/driveway-raises-10-million-to-track-driving/?utm_campaign=ForbesTech&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_channel=Technology&linkId=15988103
1220023;1438388500;assbot;This Startup Wants To Help Insurers Track Your Driving Habits Through Your Phone - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6qPx )
1220024;1438388528;shinohai;unless you are an insurer
1220025;1438388535;phf;ben_vulpes: your discussion with trinque is apropos. naggum had a technique described in one of his emails, where he would load/unload clos objects' data transparently on demand. i want to experiment with that as far as block index
1220026;1438388554;*;mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this.
1220027;1438388587;alpalp;:mircea_popescu: ty
1220028;1438388597;mircea_popescu;aha. what brings you here alpalp
1220029;1438388613;alpalp;Just seen some good conversations
1220030;1438388616;alpalp;friend of pierres
1220031;1438388625;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219982 << l0l, polish partizan flag !?
1220032;1438388625;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 23:55:04; mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9cd86be29c0052b758af6656cee65e28/tumblr_n33szisHYg1rus2mto6_1280.jpg << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed.
1220033;1438388626;mircea_popescu;cool
1220034;1438388638;alpalp;Think I saw something with loltwobitidiot today on twitter where someone destroyed him in here
1220035;1438388657;ben_vulpes;phf: we're drinking and talking about how to persist data appropriately in cl proggies as we speak
1220036;1438388663;ben_vulpes;s/in/from
1220037;1438388681;alpalp;i have been drinking as well
1220038;1438388691;mircea_popescu;alpalp i don't think b-a was ever too impressed with the guy.
1220039;1438388702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have one with polish panzers from ww2 too! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8c5c0456efe34fd131867db912a74f5b/tumblr_n2c0scTFxD1rpyus3o1_1280.jpg
1220040;1438388702;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6T4d )
1220041;1438388708;alpalp;Nope, he had some inside leak on gox and besides that been lol
1220042;1438388720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! yes, them.
1220043;1438388737;alpalp;Met him last year, def does not get it.
1220044;1438388742;mircea_popescu;(contrary to what superficial students of history may surmise, i did mean the background ones)
1220045;1438388775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was going over your proposed algo for tx cache eugenics. seems to me like it is suboptimal, in that it only rejects or accepts ~new~ tx based on net loss/gain. what it ~really~ ought to do is to keep the cache sorted by $/mass at all times, and ~evict the bottom loser~ every time the cache fills and a winner knocks on the door.
1220046;1438388794;mircea_popescu;i thought this is what i had proposed.
1220047;1438388813;mircea_popescu;course earlier today was like the 4th restatement, and i am not known for improved expression over time.
1220048;1438388827;asciilifeform;mno,
1220049;1438388828;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-07-2015#1219530
1220050;1438388828;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 17:27:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
1220051;1438388840;asciilifeform;^ iirc this was in all 4 suggested versions
1220052;1438388853;asciilifeform;'accept or reject every incoming tx based on where it falls with respect to average $/mass'
1220053;1438388890;asciilifeform;and now for part 2 of the algo,
1220054;1438388894;mircea_popescu;im too lazy to dig through the logs. but yes, your thing's the winner.
1220055;1438388904;asciilifeform;the obvious thing to do after this:
1220056;1438388924;asciilifeform;let ~peers~ access the cream of tx (top of sorted cache)
1220057;1438388930;mircea_popescu;aha.
1220058;1438388934;mircea_popescu;kinda the whole point.
1220059;1438388936;asciilifeform;not everyone, mind you
1220060;1438388939;asciilifeform;but ~peers~
1220061;1438388947;mircea_popescu;peers/payers
1220062;1438388949;asciilifeform;as in, folks who paid for the vpn key.
1220063;1438388952;asciilifeform;aha.
1220064;1438388971;mircea_popescu;should also allow those peers that provide the fat.
1220065;1438388987;asciilifeform;how's that work
1220066;1438389006;mircea_popescu;(original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %)
1220067;1438389023;asciilifeform;thing is, this'll result in a very random selection at present
1220068;1438389030;asciilifeform;just like disconnecting bastard-spewers
1220069;1438389034;mircea_popescu;random is hard to beat in practice.
1220070;1438389044;mircea_popescu;moreover, random is what spwaned forth the incredible complexity of life.
1220071;1438389049;asciilifeform;what i mean is that presently, a disconnect costs us.
1220072;1438389050;mircea_popescu;let there be a selection pressure in this petri dish.
1220073;1438389057;asciilifeform;in that there aren't that many folks on decent pipes connecting
1220074;1438389065;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and not fucking all comers costs the female, too.
1220075;1438389065;asciilifeform;and losing one statistically means that it is replaced by cattle on dsl
1220076;1438389098;mircea_popescu;i think this is one of those situation where suboptimal wins. let us "lose", i'll take the loss.
1220077;1438389127;asciilifeform;wanna suggest a numeric value for the penalty constant ?
1220078;1438389131;asciilifeform;or hell, we can make it a knob.
1220079;1438389134;mircea_popescu;config file.
1220080;1438389137;asciilifeform;aha.
1220081;1438389137;mircea_popescu;^
1220082;1438389172;asciilifeform;so i'm still at a loss as to how to subscribe those that supply the fat.
1220083;1438389200;mircea_popescu;well what i was thinking was the converse (shuttering those who fail to provide acceptable txn, in sufficient proportion)
1220084;1438389205;mircea_popescu;it's a start.
1220085;1438389242;mircea_popescu;it leads to the following game theoretical situation : want your node to be well connected ? simply tell IT your decent fee paying txn.
1220086;1438389250;mircea_popescu;sort of like those robot fight cage matches things.
1220087;1438389275;asciilifeform;^ this was sorta where i wanted to go
1220088;1438389286;asciilifeform;however, the friction has to be sufficiently low
1220089;1438389298;mircea_popescu;we're rich, we can afford not to give a shit atm.
1220090;1438389302;mircea_popescu;later on, unstoppable.
1220091;1438389315;mircea_popescu;because, as they say in omaha, "you're smart and i'm right, you'll figure it out"
1220092;1438389318;asciilifeform;what i mean is, it has to be +ev for someone to even touch this.
1220093;1438389322;asciilifeform;(someone other than us maniacs)
1220094;1438389334;mircea_popescu;us maniacs are really all that matters, in the grander scheme of things.
1220095;1438389342;asciilifeform;but we don't mine.
1220096;1438389345;asciilifeform;(afaik...)
1220097;1438389349;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter.
1220098;1438389365;asciilifeform;except that, as i understand, this is a mechanism where miner is one of the moving parts
1220099;1438389380;asciilifeform;what am i missing ?
1220100;1438389427;mircea_popescu;suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck"
1220101;1438389429;mircea_popescu;indeed, we don't.
1220102;1438389437;mircea_popescu;we also don't die if we miss the crumbs.
1220103;1438389446;asciilifeform;that's kinda what i meant by +ev
1220104;1438389467;mircea_popescu;for instance : i will be putting all my txn out through my own nodes, once this exists.
1220105;1438389496;mircea_popescu;im currently about 1/3 the reason bitpay even stays in business, fwiw (not much).
1220106;1438389505;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1220107;1438389531;mircea_popescu;heck, last month i was a good chunk of coinbase too, because of that buysellads failed experiment.
1220108;1438389544;mircea_popescu;and other such things.
1220109;1438389556;asciilifeform;usg's #1 source of coin !
1220110;1438389560;asciilifeform;mega-l0lzie
1220111;1438389569;*;mircea_popescu is tolerant.
1220112;1438389578;asciilifeform;birdz gotta eat.
1220113;1438389655;asciilifeform;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/07/stupid-patent-month-do-it-computer << in other lulz
1220114;1438389657;assbot;Stupid Patent of the Month: Trolls Go After Sex Toy Manufacturers | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSbQJn )
1220115;1438389725;mircea_popescu;in any case : reasonable bw, fee paying no bs txn is a very hard to beat prop, ev wise.
1220116;1438389746;mircea_popescu;in fact it may actually be more productive for nearby miner to mine based off our nodes than the stupid shit the chinese do currenty
1220117;1438389748;*;asciilifeform resigns to probably having to write this, too.
1220118;1438389767;mircea_popescu;it's no emergency really, if its in by the next halving it's soon enough.
1220119;1438389779;*;asciilifeform or rather, to testing the version he secretly wrote already
1220120;1438389805;mircea_popescu;they should have gasenwagen'd you when they had the chance, eh ?
1220121;1438389812;asciilifeform;plenty of time.
1220122;1438389849;mircea_popescu;for they ion the know : i got a pile of specialty chocolates here, and i will win the fight!
1220123;1438389948;*;hanbot wonders if asciilifeform has also secretly already written the match trick solution 
1220124;1438389966;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ouch.
1220125;1438389977;asciilifeform;hanbot might find out the next time asciilifeform visits
1220126;1438389986;hanbot;:D
1220127;1438390037;cazalla;deedbot- http://qntra.net/0715.txt
1220128;1438390038;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie9A5Y )
1220129;1438390040;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1220130;1438390063;mircea_popescu; 11,219 words woot, is that the record ?
1220131;1438390093;cazalla;nope, i think that is like 15k maybe
1220132;1438390096;mircea_popescu;aha
1220133;1438390110;*;asciilifeform bbl
1220134;1438390131;cazalla;but considering ddos and my return to full time employment, not a bad month
1220135;1438390131;scoopbot_revived;Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/08/qntra-s-qntr-july-2015-statement/
1220136;1438390138;mircea_popescu;12k in march too
1220137;1438390164;BingoBoingo;Not bad for DDoS month
1220138;1438390185;mircea_popescu;q1 levels.
1220139;1438390247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2938 @ 0.00110999 = 3.2612 BTC [+] {2} 
1220140;1438390365;trinque;qntra's my preferred news source, point blank.
1220141;1438390382;trinque;refreshing break from the endless horse-shit elsewhere
1220142;1438390633;shinohai;^
1220143;1438390796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00053791 = 12.3181 BTC [+]
1220144;1438392983;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219896 <<< i've seen so many of these floating around that i think they publish it to facebook on purpose
1220145;1438392983;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 21:47:25; mircea_popescu: also, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8d01952c82fec3bbb7ef056d56a6e7b3/tumblr_mh656leSVx1r0llf1o1_500.png
1220146;1438393552;BingoBoingo;Did we all get wedged off again?
1220147;1438393585;danielpbarron;height=367850
1220148;1438393600;BingoBoingo;I'm at 367850 but apparently there is a 367857 floating around somewhere?
1220149;1438393613;danielpbarron;;;blockheight
1220150;1438393613;gribble;Error: "blockheight" is not a valid command.
1220151;1438393625;danielpbarron;;;lastblock
1220152;1438393625;gribble;Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
1220153;1438393652;danielpbarron;;;tslb
1220154;1438393658;gribble;Time since last block: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds
1220155;1438393664;BingoBoingo;Showing a 367858 nao
1220156;1438393666;BingoBoingo;https://btc.blockr.io/
1220157;1438393667;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBS4Nq )
1220158;1438393673;BingoBoingo;Just there, not here
1220159;1438393756;BingoBoingo;Big, lots of fees wonder where the turd is https://btc.blockr.io/block/info/367851
1220160;1438393756;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSl35 )
1220161;1438393788;cazalla;;;later tell mark_zuckerberg hey, grats on the daughter, she'll come of age just in time! http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/the-zuckerbergs-announce-theyre-expecting-a-baby-after-a-personal-struggle/
1220162;1438393793;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSrrl )
1220163;1438393793;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1220164;1438393907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051121 = 9.5085 BTC [-]
1220165;1438393918;BingoBoingo;Anyone with a sync'd foundation build know what 367851's problem is? ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform?
1220166;1438394008;BingoBoingo;SPV miner turdations? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fd2a9/f2pool_setting_a_new_record_most_transactions/
1220167;1438394009;assbot;F2Pool setting a new record - Most transactions included in a Block : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU4HDF )
1220168;1438394957;punkman;mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? << I remember their derpy tv ads, unfortunately couldn't find them recently, wanted to show a friend
1220169;1438395181;punkman;"The one rule they have adhered to throughout the Django Girls process is to "always go the extra mile" and the details of the workshops show this, they said. The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day.  "
1220170;1438395199;punkman;yeah need more fun things to do instead of programming
1220171;1438395206;punkman;because that's icky
1220172;1438395220;mircea_popescu;right ?
1220173;1438395229;mircea_popescu;you'll get more women in tech by making tech more like birthing class.
1220174;1438395242;*;BingoBoingo backing up blockchain, going to see if doubling DB locks fixes anything
1220175;1438395278;punkman;http://coach.djangogirls.org/
1220176;1438395279;assbot;Introduction | Django Girls Coaching Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWiVn )
1220177;1438395345;mircea_popescu;sad that they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING
1220178;1438395354;mircea_popescu;like it were alcohol or something
1220179;1438395365;mircea_popescu;dirty in the eyes of the hunchback protestant microgod.
1220180;1438395407;punkman;"Make sure their experience is positive and that they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate their (in-)abilities."
1220181;1438395424;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not clear yet.
1220182;1438395446;trinque;punkman: how in the fuck do you think without judging?
1220183;1438395457;punkman;trinque: don't judge
1220184;1438395459;mircea_popescu;"The ability to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if that means the explanation isn�t technically precise)"
1220185;1438395464;mircea_popescu;they're like purposefully useless.
1220186;1438395464;trinque;punkman: mooo
1220187;1438395549;trinque;once you can internalize a lie like "don't judge" you're broken
1220188;1438395561;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not clear yet. << Well just a few minutes until my pure blockchain finishes copying to safety so I can test something
1220189;1438395566;trinque;how could you possibly exit that state?
1220190;1438395621;mircea_popescu;beatings.
1220191;1438395641;trinque;certainly not from within, that's for sure.
1220192;1438395658;trinque;that there are "stuck" human states *necessitates* the beatings
1220193;1438395845;BingoBoingo;K, moar locks doesn't seem to be fixing wedge
1220194;1438395853;punkman;Q: Is there a Django Girls for men?  A: There doesn't seem to be a need for Django Boys at the moment.
1220195;1438395877;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i doubt the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on the mid term.
1220196;1438395910;BingoBoingo;Seems likely. I'm just wondering what this crud is that wedged just now.
1220197;1438395976;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron << apparewntly dpb has been doing his own version of b-a bash
1220198;1438395977;assbot;Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBY9JP )
1220199;1438396006;cazalla;BingoBoingo, apparently ya were trollin' https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/627237656016121856
1220200;1438396009;danielpbarron;heh yeah
1220201;1438396041;trinque;god damn it, neighbor's drunk singing soul music
1220202;1438396052;trinque;I'm a little buzzed, any soul music coming out of me?
1220203;1438396054;trinque;damn right there's not
1220204;1438396079;cazalla;ah shit, danielpbarron beat me to it
1220205;1438396119;decimation;re: tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if there could be some kind of market for fees
1220206;1438396122;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/626497759395356672 << i lulzd.
1220207;1438396133;decimation;but I'm not sure how to do it without introducing more centralization
1220208;1438396139;mircea_popescu;frenchie gets it quite exactly, we're at that creepy stalking phase atm
1220209;1438396239;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so you actually got teh tools for sunday ?
1220210;1438396252;decimation;it's more like it's 1906 in the aircraft business
1220211;1438396293;BingoBoingo;Oh test node with megalocks is now at 367863
1220212;1438396299;BingoBoingo;!up TheButterZone
1220213;1438396317;decimation;I suppose the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes
1220214;1438396324;mircea_popescu;decimation i would imagine it should be emergent.
1220215;1438396326;mircea_popescu;right.
1220216;1438396336;mircea_popescu;one of the funniest things i saw in egypt was the following thing :
1220217;1438396364;mircea_popescu;i'd go into a shop, ask for something. shop owner would run me off to a different shop (i kid you not, leave his thing, wide open, whatever - nobody steals in arabworld apparently)
1220218;1438396377;mircea_popescu;and the other guy would sell me whatever and then pass the original guy a bill or two.
1220219;1438396380;trinque;chop off hands for a while and look what happens
1220220;1438396383;mircea_popescu;because baksheesh is a way of life.
1220221;1438396390;decimation;lol
1220222;1438396395;mircea_popescu;i kid you not.
1220223;1438396396;decimation;they are a culture of middlemen
1220224;1438396438;decimation;I suppose cooperating in this way, the whole town is 'walmart'
1220225;1438396447;mircea_popescu;and seeiong how their lyra was at the time ~a quarter, i expect they got the value of txn just about precisely enough to be usable in bitcoin
1220226;1438396452;mircea_popescu;ie, to the 10-100 satoshi
1220227;1438396467;punkman;so if Hearn trusts in the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3?  "No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding. The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..."
1220228;1438396475;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders, too!
1220229;1438396485;BingoBoingo;All interested parties here is my debug.log http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/debug.log
1220230;1438396497;mircea_popescu;in fact - pretty much everything in the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic to anyone who has you know, actually travelled.
1220231;1438396499;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> danielpbarron so you actually got the tools for sunday ? << i got 9 axes and 9 hoes and i'm just now working on adzes (which require a slightly different method)
1220232;1438396502;mircea_popescu;by which i mean... outside of iowa.
1220233;1438396525;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron prolly should publishe the whole thing monday. it's not a trivial math problem
1220234;1438396539;mircea_popescu;well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but there's levels in triviality.
1220235;1438396545;mircea_popescu;!up jnpn
1220236;1438396553;danielpbarron;it sorta is trivial
1220237;1438396613;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you got the actual function to select optimal usage/mixage of tools given a set ?
1220238;1438396617;danielpbarron;yes
1220239;1438396622;mircea_popescu;in lisp ?
1220240;1438396623;danielpbarron;no
1220241;1438396642;mircea_popescu;(probably ideal usage of lisp, check me out phf im doing lisp girls coach over here!)
1220242;1438396654;danielpbarron;well i don't have a function; i have a formula
1220243;1438396662;danielpbarron;and equation rather
1220244;1438396667;mircea_popescu;aha.
1220245;1438396709;mircea_popescu;actually this'd prollybe interesting to our very own gabriel_laddel too.
1220246;1438396725;phf;i misread that as "couch", was not surprised
1220247;1438396733;danielpbarron;it took me a day of thinking about it off and on to come up with
1220248;1438396755;mircea_popescu;lol
1220249;1438396758;BingoBoingo;My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting to see all the transactions that don't make it to the mempool
1220250;1438396823;mircea_popescu;(the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1 to 9)
1220251;1438396852;mircea_popescu;in practice the mix operation is cheap and the decay operation expensive.
1220252;1438396864;mircea_popescu;so, find optimal path and prove it's optimal.
1220253;1438396877;danielpbarron;i plug in a few numbers into equation, solve for x, paste my macro x-many times, let it run while i do other stuff
1220254;1438396895;mircea_popescu;for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added to the set)
1220255;1438396906;mircea_popescu;decimation tis a hack.
1220256;1438396924;danielpbarron;i might not be doing it optimally
1220257;1438396947;danielpbarron;but we need the explored resources anyway; it's not like i'm wasting time doing somethign i wouldn't have done otherwise
1220258;1438396960;mircea_popescu;ah not at all
1220259;1438396968;mircea_popescu;was just going after the math angle of it for a second
1220260;1438397173;mircea_popescu;and in other news, kittens! http://36.media.tumblr.com/e519966614bc428712a590649c7b6c83/tumblr_mm6tm0a3LP1ryf5q7o1_1280.jpg
1220261;1438397175;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC0cNW )
1220262;1438397192;trinque;mircea_popescu: that show up on your doorstep?
1220263;1438397207;mircea_popescu;wut ?
1220264;1438397213;trinque;the kittne!
1220265;1438397216;trinque;*kitten
1220266;1438397265;punkman;https://medium.com/@sailorhg/coding-like-a-girl-595b90791cce
1220267;1438397266;assbot;Coding Like a Girl — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC0lRy )
1220268;1438397280;mircea_popescu;tis teh internet!
1220269;1438397327;mircea_popescu;"Heartbreakingly, at some age, we become convinced that doing anything like a girl means that you are doing it ineffectively, wimpily, and in a way that can�t be taken seriously at all."
1220270;1438397329;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut
1220271;1438397351;mircea_popescu;no dude, not heartbreakingly. the only human dumb enough to imagine girlhood's right is the girl in question.
1220272;1438397366;mircea_popescu;girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure to grow out of it is the definition of retardation.
1220273;1438397381;mircea_popescu;ie, it takes you longer, perhaps infinitely long, to mature.
1220274;1438397382;punkman;it's mostly about clothes
1220275;1438397393;punkman;(the article)
1220276;1438397399;mircea_popescu;heh.
1220277;1438397413;mircea_popescu;anyway. why can't "coding like a girl" mean you write good documentation, for instance ?
1220278;1438397442;mircea_popescu;that's what i would like it to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be the indication that if i follow the fucking thing, i get the intended result. NOT some error message.
1220279;1438397454;mircea_popescu;i've had enough of boy coding to last me five generations of myself.
1220280;1438397494;decimation;wimmin in tech!
1220281;1438397494;mircea_popescu;if i fuck her i get off, no exceptions ; if i follow her recipe i get a build - no exceptions. this is what it should be.
1220282;1438397763;trinque;"She went back home that night really frustrated and flustered."
1220283;1438397767;trinque;so... don't!
1220284;1438397770;trinque;fight 'em
1220285;1438397777;trinque;and stop waiting for someone to accept you
1220286;1438397806;trinque;then from the other angle, maybe she looked great in that dress, and the neckbeards couldn't take the heat
1220287;1438397809;trinque;so what?
1220288;1438397824;trinque;thoughts of a navel-fixated narcissist
1220289;1438397872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26836 @ 0.00051121 = 13.7188 BTC [-]
1220290;1438398312;punkman;"There is now a pull request to remove mention of "zero or low fees", "fast  international payments", and "instant peer-to-peer transactions" from  bitcoin.org.  For those non-technical users who do not read source code,  this may come across as the breaking of the social contract on what Bitcoin  is ultimately intended to be."
1220291;1438398371;trinque;breaking the social contract lol
1220292;1438398387;decimation;lol
1220293;1438398463;trinque;at least with religious magical thinking it's anchored to a book.
1220294;1438398704;punkman;https://gist.github.com/JeremyRubin/4d17d28d5c681a93fa63 ahaha check out this comedian from MIT
1220295;1438398705;assbot;bip-STUAFS.mediawiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUdQfr )
1220296;1438398759;punkman;"Why don't you use short keys? They scale better"
1220297;1438398804;trinque;punkman: hey he says they should be secure, so they should be
1220298;1438398806;trinque;he's right
1220299;1438400145;punkman;that gut wrenching feeling after you try 30 variations of an infrequently used password...
1220300;1438400173;punkman;the realization this trove of data is forever lost, sinking in
1220301;1438400235;trinque;brutal
1220302;1438400253;punkman;but then you take a walk and it comes back to you
1220303;1438400256;punkman;or not
1220304;1438400259;trinque;punkman: if it makes you feel better, the guy that yelled at me re: trannies, and which wrote tenyks, lost 130 odd btc that way
1220305;1438400295;decimation;http://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/31/ibm-200k-macs/ < interesting
1220306;1438400296;assbot;IBM to Purchase Up to 200,000 Macs Annually, With 50-75% of Employees Ultimately Switching From Lenovo - Mac Rumors ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUgnX7 )
1220307;1438400312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00053489 = 13.399 BTC [+]
1220308;1438400330;decimation;hopefully this will influence apple to turn osx into a more adult unix, but I wouldn't hold my breath
1220309;1438400346;punkman;lol
1220310;1438400397;BingoBoingo;I doubt IBM is running anything other than OS/370 on them
1220311;1438400412;decimation;heh those days are long gone
1220312;1438400429;BingoBoingo;At least they could run AIX
1220313;1438400719;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/debug.log-367850.txt
1220314;1438400721;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gvSnyd )
1220315;1438400729;danielpbarron;deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/debug.log-367850.txt
1220316;1438400732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gvSnyd )
1220317;1438400734;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1220318;1438400782;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You still stalled out?
1220319;1438400831;danielpbarron;ya
1220320;1438400881;danielpbarron;grep that file for 11DbException
1220321;1438400901;danielpbarron;> Db::put: Cannot allocate memory
1220322;1438400927;danielpbarron;> ProcessMessage(block, 999960 bytes) FAILED
1220323;1438400971;danielpbarron;the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire
1220324;1438401039;BingoBoingo;So it's more "non-deterministic behavior" and 40,000 probably just wasn't enough DB locks and objects to fix it
1220325;1438401070;*;trinque strives to imagine what could actually need to lock 40k records in a db
1220326;1438401086;danielpbarron;apparently this block set the record for number of transactions included
1220327;1438401202;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: And the one two later apparently set another
1220328;1438401251;trinque;same thing done here with locks is probably also trivially represented by a nullable foreign key
1220329;1438401266;trinque;40k locks boggles my mind
1220330;1438401304;trinque;ben_vulpes: what's the thing even locking?
1220331;1438401329;trinque;asciilifeform: ^^ ?
1220332;1438401331;BingoBoingo;It's March 2013 all over again
1220333;1438401368;punkman;danielpbarron: which node is that?
1220334;1438401375;trinque;like... what's the cost of making the threads just *not bump into each other* vs using locks because "that's what you do with concurrent code" ?
1220335;1438401377;mats;https://projectbullrun.org/dual-ec/documents/dual-ec-20150731.pdf
1220336;1438401379;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gvTNsw )
1220337;1438401391;danielpbarron;punkman, that's a 0.5.3.1-beta
1220338;1438401445;mats;'dual EC: a standardized backdoor' by djb, tanja lange, ruben niederhagen
1220339;1438401464;trinque;really, can anyone explain why bitcoind must have 40k locks?
1220340;1438401472;trinque;or apparently more
1220341;1438401476;trinque;because that didn't cut it
1220342;1438401486;BingoBoingo;trinque: It seemed like a safer number than the one that wedged before
1220343;1438401502;trinque;I mean in that case infinite locks are best
1220344;1438401507;trinque;heh
1220345;1438401512;decimation;trinque: yeah this is standard for 'threaded' code
1220346;1438401527;trinque;decimation: 40k ?!
1220347;1438401528;decimation;folks can't be bothered to actually think about how to design things without collisions
1220348;1438401531;trinque;decimation: right
1220349;1438401534;trinque;exactly
1220350;1438401543;trinque;but what collides in bitcoind, these are transaction records?
1220351;1438401544;trinque;or what
1220352;1438401571;trinque;in my mental model of this thing there are not 40k things needing to be locked anywhere
1220353;1438401586;decimation;heh.  there's several threads running simultaneously
1220354;1438401604;trinque;processing incoming barf from other nodes, yes?
1220355;1438401615;trinque;does it then write all messages to the db then start processing them?
1220356;1438401617;decimation;I can't enumerate them all, but the network code, for instance, runs in a different thread than the db code for instace
1220357;1438401625;trinque;I'm reading through the code, just trying to prime on whatever knowledge is handy
1220358;1438401630;decimation;I'm not sure on that point, would need to read the code
1220359;1438401641;punkman;you gotta read BDB code for those locks
1220360;1438402156;punkman;"Blockchain.info is currently down for maintenance. For status updates please see Twitter. Apologies for any inconvenience. "
1220361;1438402174;punkman;so they got wedged pretty bad?
1220362;1438402335;danielpbarron;punkman, https://archive.is/kpf3y
1220363;1438402336;assbot;Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGQjgF )
1220364;1438402894;asciilifeform;ph0rk ?!
1220365;1438402905;asciilifeform;367850 here.
1220366;1438402968;trinque;367876 << deedbot
1220367;1438402985;trinque;2015-08-01_04:12:33.56149
1220368;1438402986;trinque;utc
1220369;1438403093;punkman;trinque: is that still on btcd?
1220370;1438403117;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ph0rk ?! << BDB exhaustion, upping maxlocks and DBobjects fixes
1220371;1438403154;asciilifeform;i see no such thing here
1220372;1438403159;trinque;punkman: it is
1220373;1438403179;punkman;BingoBoingo: so you have an unwedged 0.5.3?
1220374;1438403182;asciilifeform;no
1220375;1438403190;asciilifeform;they're all firmly wedged
1220376;1438403210;BingoBoingo;punkman: Unwedged 0.7-ish stator still isn't anywhere near this sync'd yet
1220377;1438403214;asciilifeform;but i see nothing suggesting a db-related reason for it
1220378;1438403244;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: record setting numbers of transactions in blocks
1220379;1438403339;asciilifeform;sure
1220380;1438403345;asciilifeform;but the conclusion does not follow
1220381;1438403349;punkman;danielpbarron: > Db::put: Cannot allocate memory  << it's a bdb problem
1220382;1438403381;BingoBoingo;Follows same way as in March 2013
1220383;1438403513;decimation;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/07/31/in-historic-announcement-marine-corps-declares-controversial-f-35-ready-for-combat/
1220384;1438403514;assbot;The Marines say the controversial F-35 fighter is now ready for combat. Now what? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCd5HZ )
1220385;1438403530;decimation;"They also pointed out that the aircraft is still under development and that full production is not scheduled until 2019, 17 years after the program’s inception. And they wondered whether the Pentagon really need 2,443 of the planes “in light of countervailing pressure to reduce force structure to conserve resources.”"
1220386;1438403539;decimation;as usual usg claims success early and often
1220387;1438403796;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: grepping ~9GB of log takes a while...
1220388;1438403840;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I just upped the DB shit to 80000, backed up my blockchain, and recompiled
1220389;1438403854;BingoBoingo;was very slow to eat 51, but it did
1220390;1438403869;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ?
1220391;1438403890;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I think we just copied that number from some patch Luke-Jr pointed us to
1220392;1438403890;asciilifeform;i mean, wtf is with this hardcoded limit retardation
1220393;1438403898;asciilifeform;is it 1974 and we are at ibm, in fortran ?
1220394;1438403905;asciilifeform;and lists can be 500 members long
1220395;1438403907;BingoBoingo;Kinda we are
1220396;1438403948;asciilifeform;i mean, yes, i haven't turned my death ray on db.cpp yet
1220397;1438403966;asciilifeform;because - it worked
1220398;1438403979;BingoBoingo;And then it didn't
1220399;1438404051;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr
1220400;1438404062;*;asciilifeform will answer when the greps output
1220401;1438404064;Luke-Jr;asciilifeform: that's (partly) why we moved to LevelDB ;)
1220402;1438404082;BingoBoingo;!down Luke-Jr
1220403;1438404110;BingoBoingo;Imma go for a walk
1220404;1438404163;danielpbarron;hahahahaha
1220405;1438404277;trinque;asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ?
1220406;1438404286;trinque;again, what is it doing locking that many records at once?!?!
1220407;1438404303;trinque;at least in this conversation we *are* talking about databases; the above is insanely shit
1220408;1438404305;trinque;40k of what
1220409;1438404316;trinque;point me at it and I'll go kill
1220410;1438404413;trinque;I modeled this thing with ben_vulpes one day on a whiteboard; the blockchain is not an impossibly complex data structure
1220411;1438404677;punkman;this probably comes from derpy indexes and structures used by bitcoind, not the blockchain
1220412;1438405192;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo - yes
1220413;1438405199;asciilifeform;Db::put: Cannot allocate memory
1220414;1438405591;*;asciilifeform cleans chopping block
1220415;1438405676;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFW5gPlSJcE
1220416;1438405677;assbot;Foodies Kill Their Food For The First Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYQ4hg )
1220417;1438406066;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al:
1220418;1438406071;asciilifeform;achtung, panzerz!!!
1220419;1438406072;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000138.html
1220420;1438406073;assbot;[BTC-dev] Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB Locks Idiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYQuE4 )
1220421;1438406165;asciilifeform;^ apparently doesn't work
1220422;1438406168;asciilifeform;do not use this patch!
1220423;1438406192;punkman;max locks: " This value is used by DB_ENV->open to estimate how much space to allocate for various lock-table data structures"
1220424;1438406206;mircea_popescu;o.O
1220425;1438406221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how exactly is it ~supposed~ to work ?
1220426;1438406226;asciilifeform;************************
1220427;1438406226;asciilifeform;EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
1220428;1438406226;asciilifeform;DbEnv::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
1220429;1438406235;asciilifeform;^ result
1220430;1438406240;asciilifeform;haste - makes waste.
1220431;1438406251;asciilifeform;what the max value that bdb will eat, remains unknown.
1220432;1438406271;mircea_popescu;it's platform dependant
1220433;1438406271;punkman;depends on available memory
1220434;1438406280;mircea_popescu;it's a mess in any case.
1220435;1438406314;cazalla;punkman, what a lost generation, can't even kill a chicken without getting out their phone to post it on fkn instagram
1220436;1438406401;cazalla;and they all give the expected response of "i'm gonna think about my food more often in future" instead of hey, imma get some chickens and do this at home
1220437;1438406436;asciilifeform;80000 runs...
1220438;1438406450;asciilifeform;i do not like this, at all.
1220439;1438406457;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bdb ~will~ have to die
1220440;1438406512;mircea_popescu;<danielpbarron> the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire << bc.i gets caught in every fire.
1220441;1438406683;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> is it 1974 and we are at ibm, in fortran ? << just about.
1220442;1438406717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22587 @ 0.00052902 = 11.949 BTC [+] {2} 
1220443;1438406724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol.
1220444;1438406748;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470
1220445;1438406748;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 22:20:58; ascii_modem: picture if we had pogos deployed
1220446;1438406758;mircea_popescu;conversely : if bitcoind can not run in bdb, bitcoind is very poorly written
1220447;1438406760;asciilifeform;rather, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188263
1220448;1438406760;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
1220449;1438406763;mircea_popescu;but that does not excuse the pos bdb is.
1220450;1438406773;asciilifeform;this product is not suitable for orbiting rom
1220451;1438406779;mircea_popescu;so it isn't.
1220452;1438406786;asciilifeform;and i will not take responsibility for it deployed in such.
1220453;1438406866;asciilifeform;'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.
1220454;1438406892;asciilifeform;'incitatus' is a penIII with 512MB and will be shut down in the next week.
1220455;1438406892;mircea_popescu;set_lk_max_locks 80000 you mean ?
1220456;1438406895;asciilifeform;aha.
1220457;1438406899;asciilifeform;and max_objects
1220458;1438406926;asciilifeform;received block 000000000000000004ca
1220459;1438406926;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE
1220460;1438406926;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220461;1438406927;mircea_popescu;and lockers ?
1220462;1438406928;asciilifeform;^ lulzies
1220463;1438406937;asciilifeform;lockers ?
1220464;1438406968;mircea_popescu;set_lk_max_lockers
1220465;1438406995;mircea_popescu;ftr i've been running set_lk_max_locks 2737000 set_lk_max_objects 1119200 since sometime in 2012.
1220466;1438407030;asciilifeform;there are no 'set_lk_max_lockers'
1220467;1438407057;mircea_popescu;"there are no" where ?
1220468;1438407065;asciilifeform;in the fucking source
1220469;1438407072;asciilifeform;there are set_lk_max_locks
1220470;1438407075;punkman;asciilifeform: you'll have to add it
1220471;1438407077;asciilifeform;and set_lk_max_objects
1220472;1438407106;asciilifeform;and set_lg_max.
1220473;1438407111;mircea_popescu;in the source of who ?
1220474;1438407113;mircea_popescu;it's a bdb thing.
1220475;1438407130;mircea_popescu;DB_CONFIG is a bdb config not a bitcoind config.
1220476;1438407165;punkman;bitcoind does some bdb config
1220477;1438407178;*;asciilifeform looks
1220478;1438407187;mircea_popescu;so it does yes
1220479;1438407220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it exists!
1220480;1438407230;asciilifeform;what value didja use for it?
1220481;1438407233;mircea_popescu;lol what, you thought i thought it didn't ?
1220482;1438407240;mircea_popescu;same as objects, for no good reason.
1220483;1438407241;asciilifeform;thought it might be unique to mircea_popescu's pdpcoin
1220484;1438407255;mircea_popescu;im not that snowflakey.
1220485;1438407274;mircea_popescu;(might be a good reason but i forget if i ever knew)
1220486;1438407287;asciilifeform;what was your lg_max ?
1220487;1438407302;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> ftr i've been running set_lk_max_locks 2737000 set_lk_max_objects 1119200 since sometime in 2012. < ?
1220488;1438407315;asciilifeform;i don't see an lg_max here
1220489;1438407339;mircea_popescu;i dun think i set it
1220490;1438407374;mircea_popescu;anyway there's a reason for the magic numbers too, something to do with theoretical maximums of a 1mb block but i don't recall what THAT was either.
1220491;1438407410;asciilifeform;accepted connection 50.244.13.28:58417
1220492;1438407410;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
1220493;1438407412;asciilifeform;aaaah
1220494;1438407422;asciilifeform;good old usg-actually-owning-the-fucking-net
1220495;1438407442;asciilifeform;************************
1220496;1438407442;asciilifeform;EXCEPTION: 11DbException
1220497;1438407442;asciilifeform;Db::put: Cannot allocate memory
1220498;1438407442;asciilifeform;bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
1220499;1438407442;asciilifeform;ProcessMessage(block, 806004 bytes) FAILED
1220500;1438407442;asciilifeform;received block 0000000000000000076d
1220501;1438407444;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE
1220502;1438407446;asciilifeform;^ on 80000 node
1220503;1438407548;mircea_popescu;anyway plenty of nodes stuck on 367885 it seems
1220504;1438407570;punkman;asciilifeform: did you just get an alternate 367886?
1220505;1438407620;asciilifeform;punkman: not accepted
1220506;1438407641;punkman;err I meant 367851
1220507;1438407656;punkman;why does it reorg?
1220508;1438407787;mircea_popescu;trying connection 195.211.154.159:8333 lastseen=-371779.9hrs
1220509;1438407787;mircea_popescu;connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
1220510;1438407789;mircea_popescu;ftr.
1220511;1438407808;asciilifeform;no shit
1220512;1438407815;asciilifeform;i've been rebuilding it for the 3rd time now
1220513;1438407824;asciilifeform;now running with mircea_popescu's constants
1220514;1438407841;asciilifeform;as of 20 seconds ago.
1220515;1438407857;mircea_popescu;i see you.
1220516;1438407900;asciilifeform;ditto 'zoolag'
1220517;1438407950;asciilifeform;i do not like this. any of it.
1220518;1438407964;mircea_popescu;taci si suge.
1220519;1438407968;mircea_popescu;dja know that joke ?
1220520;1438407969;BingoBoingo;Oh, 80000 did not stay big enough very long
1220521;1438408013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: молчи и соси where i come from
1220522;1438408028;mircea_popescu;little red riding hood and all ?
1220523;1438408039;asciilifeform;received block 00000000000000000083
1220524;1438408039;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE
1220525;1438408039;asciilifeform;connection timeout
1220526;1438408043;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of course !
1220527;1438408051;mircea_popescu;win.
1220528;1438408144;asciilifeform;received block 00000000000000001139
1220529;1438408144;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE
1220530;1438408268;mircea_popescu;version 99992 lol
1220531;1438408275;mircea_popescu;that's not one of ours is it ?
1220532;1438408278;asciilifeform;not mine !
1220533;1438408313;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> version 99992 lol << What's the rest of the version?
1220534;1438408320;mircea_popescu;pretty decent peer, lol.
1220535;1438408331;mircea_popescu;claims height 367886
1220536;1438408351;BingoBoingo;Doesn't advertise version number?
1220537;1438408370;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 2.102.154.131:54232
1220538;1438408371;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220539;1438408371;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 82.130.102.211:55101
1220540;1438408371;asciilifeform;accepted connection 177.98.234.40:61451
1220541;1438408371;asciilifeform;accepted connection 71.10.186.176:35394
1220542;1438408371;asciilifeform;accepted connection 23.236.50.177:42924
1220543;1438408375;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220544;1438408377;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 23.236.50.177:42924
1220545;1438408379;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220546;1438408381;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 71.10.186.176:35394
1220547;1438408382;mircea_popescu;...
1220548;1438408383;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220549;1438408385;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 177.98.234.40:61451
1220550;1438408387;asciilifeform;accepted connection 128.199.191.82:33957
1220551;1438408389;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220552;1438408391;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 128.199.191.82:33957
1220553;1438408393;asciilifeform;accepted connection 130.211.127.4:54148
1220554;1438408395;asciilifeform;socket closed
1220555;1438408397;asciilifeform;^^^^ usg sinkholing ftw
1220556;1438408414;asciilifeform;zoolag is at 367887
1220557;1438408416;asciilifeform;synced
1220558;1438408451;mircea_popescu;im pretty certain said magic numbers actually make it impossible for a block to be crafted legally and still crash your bdb, soi there's that.
1220559;1438408461;mircea_popescu;can't run such on a tiny system tho, obv.
1220560;1438408484;asciilifeform;i'm not seeing any increase in baseline footprint
1220561;1438408514;mircea_popescu;iirc bdb just makes assumptions about what memory it may allocate and dies at the later time if they get contradicted
1220562;1438408518;mircea_popescu;so you wouldn't see it now.
1220563;1438408531;mircea_popescu;whjy use static buffers when one can be a danger to the system
1220564;1438408619;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> version 99992 lol << Was me. Since I dumped that debug.log took it down to rebuild with new identity.
1220565;1438408633;mircea_popescu;o it was ?
1220566;1438408636;asciilifeform;another interesting discovery: when the 'socket closed' wedge state is in progress, 'getinfo' rpc wedges
1220567;1438408645;asciilifeform;for potentially infinite time
1220568;1438408662;mircea_popescu;it would
1220569;1438408670;asciilifeform;(CRITICAL_SECTION_I_AM_A_WINBLOWZ_USING_TARD())
1220570;1438408685;mircea_popescu;wut ?
1220571;1438408698;asciilifeform;thing's full of'em
1220572;1438408706;mircea_popescu;lol
1220573;1438408711;asciilifeform;get stuck in one, and all threads perma-wedge
1220574;1438408725;asciilifeform;like a 'python' proggy.
1220575;1438408832;mircea_popescu;it'll be indeed a hard task to explain to one's grandkids to what end does bitcoind actyually use threading
1220576;1438408901;BingoBoingo;Fuck it. Imma report a whole number version this time
1220577;1438408990;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html
1220578;1438408991;assbot;[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )
1220579;1438408994;asciilifeform;^ achtung, panzers!
1220580;1438409059;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/55ea021f780d943cafd61a05a2cc2412/tumblr_n2bykb7IEI1rpyus3o1_1280.jpg
1220581;1438409061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNsx2 )
1220582;1438409107;asciilifeform;zoolag is synced and operates normally
1220583;1438409115;asciilifeform;367888
1220584;1438409119;asciilifeform;dulap is in nsa hell
1220585;1438409153;asciilifeform;once we have hard peering (~never-disconnectable~, encrypted links between trunk nodes) this kind of thing will go away.
1220586;1438409219;asciilifeform;The Supernode Lifestyle ! (TM) (R) (rpietilla)
1220587;1438409242;mircea_popescu;lawls
1220588;1438409435;asciilifeform;'A gloomy ass one morning said / Unto his mate of board and bed: / "I am so dumb, you are so dumb, / Let us seek death together, come!" / As it turned out (and often will), / The two are blithely living still.' (c. morgenstern, engl. transl. of w. arndt)
1220589;1438409532;BingoBoingo;lol bc.i fixed their shit and got constipated again
1220590;1438409565;mircea_popescu;because they're running "the newest version" which "always works". in the sense of not.
1220591;1438409572;*;BingoBoingo forgot that when you change versioning this whole thing wants rebuilt again
1220592;1438409578;mircea_popescu;whereas proper bitcoin as released by actual foundation doth in fact always work.
1220593;1438409682;BingoBoingo;I just have to wonder what idiocy is going to break everything the first weekend of September
1220594;1438409710;BingoBoingo;This is 2 months in a row. Not quite a pattern, but almost one
1220595;1438409726;mircea_popescu;i gotta confess watching the idjits squirm is kinda fun.
1220596;1438409791;BingoBoingo;It really is. And who of all people would have suspected I'd be around and find a problem on a Friday night.
1220597;1438409798;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1220598;1438409801;asciilifeform;'The Air once threatened to expire. / "Oh help me, help, celestial Sire," / She cried with sadly clouded gaze; "I'm stupid, torpid, in a daze, / You always know a way, Papa, / Send me on cruises, to a spa, / sour milk is counseled for the skin... / If not -- I'll call the Devil in!" / The Lord, not to be shamed by Air, / Invented "sound massage" for her. / We've had since then the world that SCREAMS. / And Air just rolls in it
1220599;1438409802;asciilifeform; and beams.'
1220600;1438409835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, im bringing the original node back on to help along.
1220601;1438409835;pete_dushenski;heyyo. thx BingoBoingo
1220602;1438409847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought it was perma-wedged
1220603;1438409860;mircea_popescu;no, it was wedged to allow study of the wedge point.
1220604;1438409887;pete_dushenski;so eatblock handled the magick fuzz block
1220605;1438409887;BingoBoingo;electawedge
1220606;1438409898;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1220607;1438409900;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: There's a second one a bit later
1220608;1438410011;asciilifeform;367890 (zoolag)
1220609;1438410017;asciilifeform;anyone who is wedged - straight there.
1220610;1438410111;BingoBoingo;Unwedged
1220611;1438410316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.000537 = 6.3366 BTC [+]
1220612;1438410337;asciilifeform;dulap unwedged.
1220613;1438410496;mircea_popescu;fun times.
1220614;1438410505;BingoBoingo;Oh, this really upped my RAM usage
1220615;1438410589;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i see no such
1220616;1438410607;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: are you still using a random phoundation turd instead of therealbitcoin for your measurements ?
1220617;1438410617;mircea_popescu;he was on 7.2 iirc
1220618;1438410631;BingoBoingo;Random turd. Could be OpenBSD memory handling weird
1220619;1438410688;mircea_popescu;lol now my node is getting teh silent intertubes treatment
1220620;1438410700;mircea_popescu;we really should spring for better tubes, huh alf.
1220621;1438410704;asciilifeform;367892
1220622;1438410713;asciilifeform;^ i'm 2 blox ahead of 'blockchain.info'
1220623;1438410717;asciilifeform;(zoolag)
1220624;1438410730;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha.
1220625;1438410738;BingoBoingo;367892 as well
1220626;1438410746;mircea_popescu;i dunno where erryone else shops for intertubes that work
1220627;1438410757;asciilifeform;at the very least, ought to have ciphered 24/7 circuits between the reptilia supernodez
1220628;1438410774;BingoBoingo;At least I killed the orphanages earlier this week
1220629;1438410862;*;BingoBoingo went from fairly stable 224-236 MB of ram usage to a very flat 986 MB the very flat makes me suspect OpenBSD weird
1220630;1438410890;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: much depends on mempool
1220631;1438410907;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i routinely see factor of 3-7 variations between my nodez
1220632;1438410923;BingoBoingo;most of my debug.log is not allowing shit into mempool because insufficient fee
1220633;1438410946;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation.
1220634;1438410976;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation. << It does for most things.
1220635;1438411000;mircea_popescu;if my suspect is true, this very neatly shows openbsd as a superior os.
1220636;1438411022;mircea_popescu;in this particular case, allocation should be forced.
1220637;1438411039;BingoBoingo;Well malloc() tends to aggressively try to keep shit from running into each other
1220638;1438411069;mircea_popescu;malloc or any other mechanism has no way out of "gimme 900mb" "only 600 here" "but you promised"
1220639;1438411108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: malloc is dumb as ox : either ptr to the 900, or null.
1220640;1438411121;asciilifeform;nothing more to it
1220641;1438411123;mircea_popescu;right you are.
1220642;1438411130;mircea_popescu; "gimme 900mb" "null" "but you promised"
1220643;1438411141;asciilifeform;'wat,no i didn't'
1220644;1438411146;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1220645;1438411151;mircea_popescu;but bdb has come to expect!
1220646;1438411200;asciilifeform;accepted connection 108.45.93.76:54753
1220647;1438411200;asciilifeform;PROCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOT FOUND
1220648;1438411202;asciilifeform;^ l0lzies
1220649;1438411295;BingoBoingo;up to 989.4 MB so well within the pre-patching wiggle room.
1220650;1438411341;scoopbot_revived;New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/
1220651;1438411346;BingoBoingo;With the rest of my stuff running atm I'm almose using 1/3 of my RAM for the first time since I've moved to OpenBSD
1220652;1438411477;asciilifeform;dulap synced
1220653;1438411483;BingoBoingo;http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-5.7/man3/calloc.3?query=malloc&sec=3&manpath=OpenBSD-5.7
1220654;1438411484;assbot;OpenBSD manual pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uek2C1 )
1220655;1438411539;BingoBoingo;OBSD does the probably placebo ASLR thing for better or worse
1220656;1438411644;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: your qntra piece contains mistake. 80000 sufficed for all of three minutes.
1220657;1438411649;asciilifeform;(~1 block or so)
1220658;1438411674;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I made it further, but I also started 80000 sooner
1220659;1438411885;BingoBoingo;And since reddit does not want Qntra's bounty of information https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/365629
1220660;1438411886;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1UekNuL )
1220661;1438412300;cazalla;same mods there as /r/bitcoin BingoBoingo?
1220662;1438412323;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Just one in common that I know of.
1220663;1438412689;BingoBoingo;Seems just as much of a shithole really
1220664;1438413466;BingoBoingo;Oh and Qntra is now at 707 posts. It is now the biggest place a nuclear reactor housing can be expected to survive.
1220665;1438413488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0005265 = 7.6079 BTC [-]
1220666;1438413915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2471 @ 0.0005265 = 1.301 BTC [-]
1220667;1438415320;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnS-05XoXs4
1220668;1438415320;assbot;Smokémon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SR9gPw )
1220669;1438415594;shinohai;http://i.moderniy.com/images/2015/07/26/sguF0i6.jpg   <<< now I'm awake
1220670;1438415596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IAApoq )
1220671;1438417661;shinohai;kudos BingoBoingo for being prolific on qntra this week, I have had plenty to read.
1220672;1438417697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2057 @ 0.0005265 = 1.083 BTC [-]
1220673;1438418246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00051791 = 10.4877 BTC [-] {3} 
1220674;1438419100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00052346 = 1.8321 BTC [+]
1220675;1438420015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22182 @ 0.00051121 = 11.3397 BTC [-]
1220676;1438421052;shinohai;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/crypto-activists-announce-vision-for-tor-exit-relay-in-every-library/  <<< yeah, let's encourage people to use a tor node located in a place that are generally funded by guv'ments.
1220677;1438421053;assbot;Crypto activists announce vision for Tor exit relay in every library | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dguuow )
1220678;1438422175;cazalla;https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/29/executive-order-creating-national-strategic-computing-initiative
1220679;1438422177;assbot;Executive Order -- Creating a National Strategic Computing Initiative | whitehouse.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgvXel )
1220680;1438422638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14643 @ 0.00052346 = 7.665 BTC [+]
1220681;1438423886;kakobrekla;was this posted before? transistorless memory coming up supposedly; http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology
1220682;1438423888;assbot;Intel and Micron Produce Breakthrough Memory Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgyGVd )
1220683;1438424433;jurov;http://paralleluniver.se would be spiffy if she ever does stuff for eulora
1220684;1438424434;assbot;Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dgzx8z )
1220685;1438424472;jurov;http://paralleluniver.se/post/109405235210 << already 3d model of mircea_popescu
1220686;1438424473;assbot;Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgzyJq )
1220687;1438424534;jurov;http://paralleluniver.se/post/87004177465 hehehe
1220688;1438424535;assbot;Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgzERf )
1220689;1438424751;shinohai;Evidently I need opengl before I can install Eulora
1220690;1438425362;chetty;<jurov> http://paralleluniver.se/post/109405235210 << already 3d model of mircea_popescu// hahaha I love it
1220691;1438425363;assbot;Stephanie Davidson ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgzyJq )
1220692;1438425386;chetty;<shinohai> Evidently I need opengl before I can install Eulora// yup
1220693;1438425407;shinohai;needs moar scowl
1220694;1438425505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00051428 = 16.2512 BTC [-]
1220695;1438426409;Adlai;shinohai: or an emacs/ncurses/framebuffer client
1220696;1438426435;shinohai;I know dick about emacs :/
1220697;1438426464;Adlai;someday even alf will be able to play eulora on his http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2014#927000
1220698;1438426464;assbot;Logged on 17-11-2014 22:04:44; asciilifeform: drm glasses << http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 (scroll down to story)
1220699;1438428950;shinohai;!up Anonym0us
1220700;1438428964;Anonym0us;tnx for voice :)
1220701;1438428992;shinohai;np, register your GPG key with assbot and you can voice yourself
1220702;1438429071;Anonym0us;someone has this nick :/
1220703;1438429124;punkman;shinohai: it doesn't work like that
1220704;1438429143;shinohai;well punkman  i know he has to get into wot
1220705;1438429163;PabloEscobar;how is the syntax for registering ?
1220706;1438429172;punkman;!help
1220707;1438429172;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1220708;1438429176;PabloEscobar;!help
1220709;1438429176;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1220710;1438429348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34177 @ 0.00052742 = 18.0256 BTC [+] {2} 
1220711;1438429702;Adlai;deedbot-: : http://dpaste.com/03VBY7N.txt
1220712;1438429703;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZuGZ4 )
1220713;1438429714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00051221 = 12.4979 BTC [-] {4} 
1220714;1438429761;shinohai;I am going to need a dedicated box if I intend to play Eulora. Any suggestions?
1220715;1438430088;chetty;shinohai, join the #eulora chan, best ask folks with experience so far :)
1220716;1438430116;shinohai;I'm so retarded. I shulda known there was a dedi chan
1220717;1438430124;chetty;:P
1220718;1438430164;Adlai;no, you're retarted for not reading the logs
1220719;1438430228;shinohai;I usually ignore/skip things to do with eulora. Only began to take an interest recently and started to search logs.
1220720;1438431910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00052256 = 3.684 BTC [+]
1220721;1438436741;mircea_popescu;bwaha jurov that kicks ass
1220722;1438436790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00052256 = 17.3751 BTC [+]
1220723;1438436818;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla interesting. tho i don't get enough from that article to figure out how the fuck it'd work
1220724;1438436909;mircea_popescu;"Following more than a decade of research and development, 3D XPoint technology was built from the ground up to address the need for non-volatile, high-performance, high-endurance and high-capacity storage and memory at an affordable cost."
1220725;1438436913;mircea_popescu;i mean what the shit is this even.
1220726;1438436923;mircea_popescu;i thought it was built from the clouds down, honestly.
1220727;1438436935;mircea_popescu;thanks intel for setting my heresy straight.
1220728;1438436943;kakobrekla;dunno but apparently they have working wafers
1220729;1438436973;mircea_popescu;!up letstrythis
1220730;1438437001;mircea_popescu;good for 'em... i wonder if this is the glass thing being discussed for the past year
1220731;1438437016;mircea_popescu;only real clue being the "non volatile" part
1220732;1438437188;kakobrekla;good part seems to be that you can manipulate a single bit unlike flash.
1220733;1438437251;mircea_popescu;seems mindblowing, non volatile yet non rom.
1220734;1438437255;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1220735;1438437605;mircea_popescu;oh this is resistive memory.
1220736;1438437696;mircea_popescu;prolly hafnium oxide, which should make the world situation ever more interesting.
1220737;1438437706;mircea_popescu;this century will be the rare earths century.
1220738;1438438148;mircea_popescu;(brazil and australia pretty much own the known hf supply atm). in any case, pretty fucking weird that goldbugs and silverheads still insist with their "precious" metals. they're useless. pm freaks of 2015 really should collect hf. cerium. lanthanum. europium. etc.
1220739;1438438263;decimation;gold makes excellent electrical contacts
1220740;1438438268;mircea_popescu;europium phosphates for instance are still to this day the only way to get a decent red.
1220741;1438438282;decimation;silver is pointless as a monetary metal - too common with too many reserves
1220742;1438438304;mircea_popescu;except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?)
1220743;1438438312;mircea_popescu;and dielectric properties.
1220744;1438438317;mircea_popescu;those are the two main things.
1220745;1438438330;mircea_popescu;prolly should say "dielectric secondary properties".
1220746;1438438342;decimation;yes, this is true.  you need a supply of gold for electronics certainly, but it need not be huge
1220747;1438438354;mircea_popescu;and it need not be gold.
1220748;1438438371;mircea_popescu;for instance - platinum's even better.
1220749;1438438391;decimation;yeah you can use aluminium to bond wires
1220750;1438438401;decimation;silver too
1220751;1438438402;mircea_popescu;or doctored graphite
1220752;1438438434;mircea_popescu;it's just not a bottleneck atm. sure, maybe it will become. who knew, in the 60s, that mountain pass thing in pasadena would be the most strategically important place in all the us.
1220753;1438438436;decimation;apparently palladium coated copper is used too
1220754;1438438450;decimation;gold is nice because it doesn't oxidize, just sits
1220755;1438438486;mircea_popescu;sure, nice.
1220756;1438438497;mircea_popescu;meanwhile every time china cuts quotas, the futures go into 10x explosions.
1220757;1438438554;decimation;http://www.pcworld.com/article/214938/us_rare_earth_mine_resumes_active_mining.html
1220758;1438438555;assbot;U.S. Rare Earth Mine Resumes Active Mining | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSPNRO )
1220759;1438438559;mircea_popescu;and you simply can't beat a value proposition like "either have europium or not be able to display the color red - it's that simple".
1220760;1438438566;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah.
1220761;1438438626;decimation;http://www.molycorp.com/products
1220762;1438438628;assbot;Molycorp  |  Our Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSQ1IJ )
1220763;1438438628;mircea_popescu;iirc obama even whined at the wtc about china rare earth policy
1220764;1438438633;mircea_popescu;they laughed at him.
1220765;1438438660;mircea_popescu;somehow his international relations failures when being humiliated by putin in public are widely discussed
1220766;1438438680;mircea_popescu;but his much more important failures when trying to preserve soime sort of future for that country get ignored throughout.
1220767;1438438682;mircea_popescu;a well.
1220768;1438438702;mircea_popescu;nobody yet wanted to be africa and failed to get its wish.
1220769;1438438773;decimation;yarvin pointed out the amusing contrast between the us wanting to de-africanize africa and the chinese wanting to take its minerals
1220770;1438438795;decimation;it seems the chinese approach is working out better for both parties
1220771;1438438838;mircea_popescu;i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal.
1220772;1438438856;mircea_popescu;decimation soon to come to a strip mine/mall near you!
1220773;1438438865;mircea_popescu;actually...
1220774;1438438866;decimation;you can watch the california rare earth mine in operation! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id8hDUT5nHQ&list=UU96FUEp85Kk0PdKd9hp8jww
1220775;1438438868;assbot;New California Rare Earth Facility Ramping Up Production - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSQH0M )
1220776;1438438885;decimation;WE R ENERGY EFFICIENT
1220777;1438438886;mircea_popescu;strip/mine/mall. what eat/pray/love.
1220778;1438438964;decimation;it looks like it was built to golden toilet standards, it'll be interesting to see how profitable it is
1220779;1438438984;mircea_popescu;it is actually not unreasonable to overspend on sustainability when building a mine.
1220780;1438438998;decimation;the challenge with rare earths isn't finding them or digging them up, it's sorting them and processing them
1220781;1438439015;decimation;well, the us has lots of experience with blotted landscapes due to mining
1220782;1438439022;mircea_popescu;yes. the fact that they can't currently be extracted efficiently from electronics scrap speaks volumes.
1220783;1438439037;mircea_popescu;otherwise ocean extraction would almost be practicable.
1220784;1438439058;mircea_popescu;the trawlers that pretty much took all the fish, 1965-2015 can be refurbished to suck out the rare earths too, 2015-2065.
1220785;1438439079;decimation;heh, or if we go 'full fission' U also
1220786;1438439122;mircea_popescu;i doubt you'll ever be able to put up your gf's butt something that was inside a reactor core during your lifetime.
1220787;1438439171;decimation;yeah, it's one of those 'we could safely use nuclear to supply electricty to everyone but we don't because reasons' situation
1220788;1438439179;mircea_popescu;uhh
1220789;1438439200;mircea_popescu;well in this case the reasons seem to be more like, "because it will kill you painfully."
1220790;1438439210;decimation;heh no
1220791;1438439214;decimation;who died because of fukashima?
1220792;1438439242;mircea_popescu;you're not serious are yo u?
1220793;1438439273;decimation;yes, who died?
1220794;1438439286;decimation;fission is by far the safest method of electricity production
1220795;1438439298;mircea_popescu;is this a rehash of the entire russian song and dance about how "nobody died at chernobyl" ?
1220796;1438439303;mircea_popescu;at least a dozen people died the first week.
1220797;1438439358;mircea_popescu;you know, just because japan's a colony and ukraine a colony of "the enemy" doesn
1220798;1438439365;mircea_popescu;'t make usg's shit not stink somehow, magically.
1220799;1438439380;punkman;no "official" deaths
1220800;1438439382;decimation;okay
1220801;1438439384;mircea_popescu;but i will note for jurov's benefit exactly what the differences are between his great friend to the east and his great friend to the west.
1220802;1438439453;decimation;http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_168.shtml < figure 24.11 shows death rates of electricity generation technologies
1220803;1438439454;assbot;Ch 24 Page 168: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBxeNw )
1220804;1438439465;mircea_popescu;fission may well be the safest method of electricity production. that's not in discussion. a large part of WHY it is the safest involves not sticking bits of a reactor core inside you.
1220805;1438439491;decimation;eh, as long it's just a little bit you'll be okay
1220806;1438439512;mircea_popescu;(i have the math done on the difference between being exposed to a meltdown outside and being exposed to ingested material, if the obvious difference's aren't obvious i can dig it up)
1220807;1438439590;mircea_popescu;but it boils down to the simple fact that if you're a mile away your share of the sphere surface is tiny, whereas if you're surrounding the item, your share's 100%. distance is a much better insulator than mass, because distance goes into the formula ^3. and consequently you're better off a mile away from a ton's worth of criticality than with a gram of the stuff in your colon.
1220808;1438439636;decimation;sure, but meanwhile all waste products are captured rather than being dumped into the atmosphere
1220809;1438439639;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1600^3 / 1000^2
1220810;1438439639;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1220811;1438439647;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1600**3 / 1000**2
1220812;1438439647;gribble;4096
1220813;1438439654;mircea_popescu;4kb times better off, to be specific.
1220814;1438439677;mircea_popescu;decimation the idea was that somehow you create the hafnium you use in your laptop through a fission process that happened during your lifetime.
1220815;1438439682;mircea_popescu;that's what i was answering to.
1220816;1438439695;decimation;ah yes that's a different matter
1220817;1438439705;decimation;probably not gonna happen
1220818;1438439716;mircea_popescu;right.
1220819;1438439727;decimation;I was pointing out that if you are gonna such halfnium from seawater, might as well get some U too
1220820;1438439730;mircea_popescu;that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century.
1220821;1438439734;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1220822;1438439740;mircea_popescu;then i misunderstood what you were proposing.
1220823;1438439752;mircea_popescu;i thought you wanted it made the only way we know how to create elements atm.
1220824;1438439772;decimation;because of this chart: http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_164.shtml
1220825;1438439773;assbot;Ch 24 Page 164: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBynV6 )
1220826;1438439840;decimation;he's point is that you could suply 420 kWh per day per person in the entire world if you mined oceanic uranium and used fast breeders to maximally extract energy from it
1220827;1438439875;mircea_popescu;the x per day bla bla figure is spurious. obviously there's a shitton of energy there. the problem is we don't yet have the filters.
1220828;1438439880;mircea_popescu;but yes, perhaps getting there.
1220829;1438439912;decimation;it's the only technology that (mostly) exists that could possibly give a 'european' level of energy use to the entire world
1220830;1438439950;mircea_popescu;this "from the clouds down" approach... who cares about "the entire world", srsly ?
1220831;1438439963;decimation;heh well yeah. ultimately he's kinda a libertard
1220832;1438440012;mircea_popescu;anyway. i always thought all the work in fine graphite fibers is really intended to do this, eventually.
1220833;1438440037;decimation;yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing
1220834;1438440072;mircea_popescu;but in all fairness this thing, while in principle promising, is mroe than a few tweaks away.
1220835;1438440098;BingoBoingo;<decimation> yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing << Turns out lots are easy to make already, start a wood fire.
1220836;1438440102;mircea_popescu;meanwhile buying a kilogram bar of non radioactive rare earth metal is perfectly feasible as-is.
1220837;1438440245;decimation;yes, not such a bad idea
1220838;1438440258;decimation;if you are going with industrial usefuless, palladium or pt are also good metals to hold
1220839;1438440401;mircea_popescu;my concern was more cultural, so to speak. here are these dudes, maybe 100k of them, all heads counted. they're mostly over 50 white men, who have for 30 years been buying and hoping.
1220840;1438440419;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, during THAT EXACT INTERVAL, this set of 10-20 metals did EXACTLY what they had hoped their dead horse would do.
1220841;1438440425;mircea_popescu;went up what, 10x a decade. easy.
1220842;1438440437;mircea_popescu;yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ?
1220843;1438440445;mircea_popescu;it's pretty interesting a phenomenon.
1220844;1438440666;decimation;yeah it's a good point.  gold is double-edged because it's the thing everyone else is warehousing
1220845;1438440684;decimation;which is good in the sense of 'could be traded' but bad in the sense of 'oh noes they are dumping onto the market'
1220846;1438440842;asciilifeform;'dulap' and 'zoolag' synced still.
1220847;1438440931;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220735 << mram is 1) available from my usual suppliers for several years now 2) rather boring on account of costing considerably more than sram+eeprom+supercap+fallbackcontroller
1220848;1438440931;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:00:05; mircea_popescu: oh this is resistive memory.
1220849;1438440971;decimation;asciilifeform: my poor node is only at 343k, seems to be syncing very slowly
1220850;1438440981;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220737 << aaah no, that was the 20th. this one will be the ~lack of rare earths~ century.
1220851;1438440981;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:01:46; mircea_popescu: this century will be the rare earths century.
1220852;1438440999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00053654 = 22.3201 BTC [+] {3} 
1220853;1438441032;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220733 << again, sop, for ages.
1220854;1438441032;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 13:54:11; mircea_popescu: seems mindblowing, non volatile yet non rom.
1220855;1438441077;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220742 << i don't expect to live to see an ingot of hafnium in person.
1220856;1438441077;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:11:44; mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?)
1220857;1438441115;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220748 << mno. you need the ductility, for ic bonding wires
1220858;1438441115;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:12:51; mircea_popescu: for instance - platinum's even better.
1220859;1438441147;decimation;asciilifeform: you can buy here (Hf) http://www.mateck.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=25&Itemid=3
1220860;1438441149;assbot;Hafnium ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBC0KS )
1220861;1438441175;decimation;486 eurobux for 100g in pieces
1220862;1438441198;asciilifeform;not 100g of Hf
1220863;1438441217;asciilifeform;(do the arithmetic)
1220864;1438441239;asciilifeform;at any rate, i am not equipped to test its purity (certainly not non-destructively !)
1220865;1438441252;decimation;they claim 99.9%
1220866;1438441258;asciilifeform;this is why au has been a thing since ancient egypt - can test with almost bare hands, and refine with almost bare hands
1220867;1438441266;decimation;^
1220868;1438441270;asciilifeform;this is what makes it 'bitcoin-like'
1220869;1438441275;decimation;as long as you are willing to melt it
1220870;1438441280;asciilifeform;go, test the hafnium.
1220871;1438441285;asciilifeform;!s gallium
1220872;1438441286;assbot;27 results for 'gallium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gallium
1220873;1438441307;asciilifeform;^ element that is even more testable for purity with bare hands than au
1220874;1438441336;decimation;platium & palladium need 3k F furnace
1220875;1438441518;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220820 << you know, you ~can~ separate out the stable isotopes.
1220876;1438441518;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:35:30; mircea_popescu: that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century.
1220877;1438441518;scoopbot_revived;Short Term Update: headed to $255 https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/short-term-update-headed-to-255/
1220878;1438441552;asciilifeform;(see also the old reactor gold thread)
1220879;1438441565;decimation;yeah, but probably not economically
1220880;1438441572;asciilifeform;not gold, no
1220881;1438441579;asciilifeform;but rare earths - quite possibly.
1220882;1438441626;asciilifeform;the incentive for vendor to lie about this, is, obviously, there. but on other hand, if it functions as part of a semiconductor, it more or less ~has~ to be radiologically clean!
1220883;1438441635;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1220884;1438441644;decimation;actually this is a side-effect of ramping up fission - it would increase the supply of random shit coming out of the reactor to study
1220885;1438441692;asciilifeform;has to be ramped up soviet-style - with whiners told to go fuck a duck - rather than usg-style, where they somberly bury the spent rods in a coffin, with christian funeral
1220886;1438441704;decimation;heh
1220887;1438441713;asciilifeform;(then to have'em slowly leak into ground water somewhere)
1220888;1438441717;decimation;yes, this is true, although I would prefer us safety record
1220889;1438441747;decimation;asciilifeform: my understanding that the "U" dry storage casks are specially designed to be put into 'fast breeder' - for a time when usg comes to its sense
1220890;1438441775;asciilifeform;u.s. safety record of the final collapse period will quite likely make the su one look rather good in comparison.
1220891;1438441828;mircea_popescu;in fairness it hasn't been studied too much yet. who knows.
1220892;1438441842;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220842 << paging tlp! the au folks aren't trying to win, they are trying to 'feel winners'
1220893;1438441842;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:47:17; mircea_popescu: yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ?
1220894;1438441860;mircea_popescu;but yes. the us is not only just as inclined to outright lie as the su was, it's also blessed with the gift of suck in the shape of a purely imbecile population.
1220895;1438441873;asciilifeform;they imagine an aucalypse where their coinz are now the only valuable thing testable with your teeth, and thereby True Money (tm)
1220896;1438441876;mircea_popescu;the "resistance through culture" intellectuals still did a lot to mitigate the sort of damage discussed here
1220897;1438441948;asciilifeform;american reactors are still, for instance, built in such a way as to be helpless in the face of a total shortage of diesel
1220898;1438442002;asciilifeform;(laugh, but they depend on external current, which - in the event of interruption of the steam turbine, for whatever reason - is supplied with a diesel set)
1220899;1438442034;mircea_popescu;"designed by americans" is quickly becoming the english equivalent of "marfa romaneasca"
1220900;1438442046;mircea_popescu;not merely shit, but shit that's been trampled by monkeys.
1220901;1438442083;decimation;  there are american nuclear fission designs that depend only on gravity to stop reactions
1220902;1438442087;decimation;they just aren't allowed to be built
1220903;1438442093;asciilifeform;the heart of the matter is that these things were built by folks who simply did not believe in collapse even as a theoretical possibility.
1220904;1438442095;asciilifeform;it shows.
1220905;1438442116;asciilifeform;decimation: aha. in uncle al's words, 'It Would Be Wrong!'
1220906;1438442140;asciilifeform;in precisely the same way as a cpu where buffer overflows don't happen
1220907;1438442183;asciilifeform;or a plastic for implants that is invisible to immune system (an uncle al product that was magicked out of existence by u.s. fda)
1220908;1438442201;asciilifeform;It Would Be Wrong, because Simply Not Done
1220909;1438442221;asciilifeform;(because would disenfranchise and correctly lower into pederasty whole armies of human turds)
1220910;1438442241;decimation;https://nuclear.gepower.com/build-a-plant/products/nuclear-power-plants-overview/esbwr.html
1220911;1438442244;assbot;ESBWR (Economic Simplified Boiling Water Reactor) | GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBELM3 )
1220912;1438442261;decimation;who knows about its actual record in the field
1220913;1438442273;decimation;but you are right, it could have been built 30 years ago instead of what we have today
1220914;1438442455;asciilifeform;http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/01/asia/bitcoin-mt-gox-karpeles-arrested << lulzies
1220915;1438442456;assbot;Mt.Gox CEO Mark Karpeles arrested in Japan - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBFoVV )
1220916;1438442478;decimation;actually I bet a large number of existing plants could be converted over to this design
1220917;1438442496;decimation;but that ain't gonna happen because it would cause $bil in paperwork to be generated
1220918;1438442759;trinque;bahaha, fuck you Karpeles
1220919;1438442766;trinque;gimme my 3.7 BTC you cunt
1220920;1438442790;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220771 << the main 'superiority metal' is: people whose hands grow out of some place other than their arses!  one can make shells - and even very passable bullets, for small arms, out of even nylon.
1220921;1438442790;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 14:20:38; mircea_popescu: i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal.
1220922;1438442799;asciilifeform;(they exist! can buy'em here.)
1220923;1438442943;decimation;yes, the most lulzy thing about 'goldbug preppers' is their choice of a pile of metal vice actual people to help them in a time of need
1220924;1438442959;asciilifeform;this, to be fair, is not usually a 'choice'
1220925;1438443015;asciilifeform;get pile of metal - easy; get people - hard, for some - impossible
1220926;1438444319;mircea_popescu;lol cnn quotes qntra or what
1220927;1438444322;mircea_popescu;"they found it on teh intertnet"
1220928;1438444347;asciilifeform;who was it who lifted a piece wholesale? 'forbes' ?
1220929;1438444350;asciilifeform;whatever came of that
1220930;1438444371;mircea_popescu;same thing that came out of the "hey, you're defrauding maryland u" email.
1220931;1438444374;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1085971
1220932;1438444374;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 04:14:29; mircea_popescu: cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.
1220933;1438444381;mircea_popescu;id est : nothing ~yet~.
1220934;1438444407;asciilifeform;and as i said then, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085974
1220935;1438444407;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: will be magicked away with magic rays.
1220936;1438444452;mircea_popescu;nothing gets "magicked away with magic rays". they can shove their hands in ears all the way to the elbow, i'm getting all my pounds of flesh.
1220937;1438444473;asciilifeform;well, the maryland folks landed a few $mil in grantola straight from usg treasury
1220938;1438444487;asciilifeform;they are saints now, from the point of view of state of md.
1220939;1438444496;mircea_popescu;up until they aren't.
1220940;1438444514;asciilifeform;as of now, their shit not only doesn't stink, but is made of monocrystalline diamond as far as the dean is concerned
1220941;1438444525;mircea_popescu;up until it... isn't.
1220942;1438444529;mircea_popescu;very precarious, all this.
1220943;1438444560;asciilifeform;all living things 'are until they aren't'
1220944;1438444580;mircea_popescu;right.
1220945;1438445106;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html << thanks all for helping with this lastnight
1220946;1438445107;assbot;[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )
1220947;1438445147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22533 @ 0.00053552 = 12.0669 BTC [-]
1220948;1438445577;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> u.s. safety record of the final collapse period will quite likely make the su one look rather good in comparison. << Calloway County plant in Missouri has made the news number of times this year for shutdowns related to declared non-radiological steam leaks.
1220949;1438445667;BingoBoingo;On the other hand Bridgeton Missouri landfill which has perma underground fire spewing radio weird makes news
1220950;1438445893;BingoBoingo;!up erg_
1220951;1438445893;scoopbot_revived;Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-july-2015-statement/
1220952;1438445894;jurov;u.s. safety record will differ from su only cuz media coverage
1220953;1438446005;mircea_popescu;nah, media coverage is the point of most similarity.
1220954;1438446015;mircea_popescu;both pravdas lying through the teeth turned up to 11.
1220955;1438446045;mircea_popescu;the main point of difference is that the soviets at least had some still functional brainparts.
1220956;1438446194;BingoBoingo;Also US really doesn't do much in the way of putting spent fuel in coffins, Tends to leave it swimming in pools, just outside of reactor housings
1220957;1438446784;BingoBoingo;!up alpalp
1220958;1438447326;jurov;afaik no one is really seriously depositing spent fuel deep into earth/oceans yet
1220959;1438447343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00051501 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {4} 
1220960;1438447359;asciilifeform;jurov: other than jp !
1220961;1438447453;jurov;really? pediwiki says "The head of the Science Council of Japan’s expert panel has said Japan's seismic conditions makes it difficult to predict ground conditions over the necessary 100,000 years, so it will be impossible to convince the public of the safety of deep geological disposal."
1220962;1438447465;asciilifeform;jurov: in the ocean, rather
1220963;1438447479;asciilifeform;a good bit is already in.
1220964;1438447554;asciilifeform;at any rate, this is an ~engineered~ political problem. breeder reactor can be used to eliminate long-lived waste.
1220965;1438447566;asciilifeform;But It Would Be Wrong (TM)
1220966;1438447746;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov was there ever a http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src but for the bleeding edge tree ?
1220967;1438447748;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeOaUH )
1220968;1438447748;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1220969;1438447767;jurov;what is bleeding edge?
1220970;1438447787;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000135.html
1220971;1438447788;assbot;[BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt3hQe )
1220972;1438447830;jurov;okay
1220973;1438447831;shinohai;http://thehackernews.com/2015/07/bitdefender-hacked.html?m=1  <<< hue
1220974;1438447831;assbot;AntiVirus Firm BitDefender Hacked; Turns Out Stored Passwords Are UnEncrypted ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeOrqu )
1220975;1438447848;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin foundation is serious now, Has two branches
1220976;1438447859;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wai wut
1220977;1438447874;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: jurov's original lxr has the naked 0.5.3
1220978;1438447875;BingoBoingo;The Bleeding branch and the stable one.
1220979;1438447890;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik there is no stable
1220980;1438447898;BingoBoingo;Ah
1220981;1438447899;jurov;no, i set it to 0/5/3/1 as default
1220982;1438447901;asciilifeform;there is the original 0.5.3 which explodes a few hrs after boot..
1220983;1438447913;jurov;at least i think so
1220984;1438448006;*;BingoBoingo contemplates DNS and IRC snip on his 0.7 branch, wonders how much his 0.7 will look like 0.5 if the cutting continues
1220985;1438448035;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: remind me again, what was in 0.7 that is missing in 0.5.3.x
1220986;1438448040;asciilifeform;importprivkey ?
1220987;1438448046;BingoBoingo;getpeerinfo
1220988;1438448061;BingoBoingo;But now I'm just sticking with 0.7 for the learns
1220989;1438448073;shinohai;it's no big deal bitcoind doesn't have importprivkey to me
1220990;1438448086;asciilifeform;shinohai: it's actually a pretty big deal to me
1220991;1438448100;BingoBoingo;Herpity Derp Derp http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/#comment-36507
1220992;1438448101;assbot;New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBTiHF )
1220993;1438448120;shinohai;asciilifeform: u don't just add keys manually ?
1220994;1438448133;asciilifeform;shinohai: manually ?
1220995;1438448142;asciilifeform;how, with hex editor ?
1220996;1438448145;shinohai;Using pywallet
1220997;1438448154;BingoBoingo;pywallet isn't manually
1220998;1438448167;BingoBoingo;Got to use hex editor on memory pages of running bitcoind
1220999;1438448204;shinohai;hex editor feels clunkier to me :/
1221000;1438448206;BingoBoingo;Or you could tap the buttons on your computer's front panel
1221001;1438448225;jurov;nah, point a gamma source toward ram
1221002;1438448242;BingoBoingo;That works too
1221003;1438448263;BingoBoingo;Gotta use a very fine source though, targets are very tiny
1221004;1438448502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.0005363 = 9.3563 BTC [+] {3} 
1221005;1438448577;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-july-2015-statement/ << eulora makes money for s.mg, sorta, and players take home a chunk of loot.
1221006;1438448578;assbot;MiniGame (S.MG), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBUpHi )
1221007;1438448597;*;mod6 looks
1221008;1438448606;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/#comment-36511
1221009;1438448606;assbot;New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBUueb )
1221010;1438448710;BingoBoingo;thank you asciilifeform
1221011;1438448736;asciilifeform;what's the latest on Luke-Jr anyway? who, precisely, does he muppet for
1221012;1438448805;BingoBoingo;Seems to be since BFL typically still lower bidders
1221013;1438449004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the usual "i say words about words so please hire me" circus.
1221014;1438449029;asciilifeform;wai wut, he wurks for a living ?!!
1221015;1438449070;mircea_popescu;mostly doing pest control or i don't remember what nonsense.
1221016;1438449083;mircea_popescu;something of the kind.
1221017;1438449145;asciilifeform;pest control >> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ll2H1ZJE4vs/TvTXLY8xtkI/AAAAAAAAWVc/GAD54RgYia8/s1600/mainnaked.jpg
1221018;1438449145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeSdQM )
1221019;1438449151;*;asciilifeform invariably thinks of ^, 'naked lunch'
1221020;1438449170;mircea_popescu;!seen pierre_rochard
1221021;1438449176;mircea_popescu;;;seen pierre_rochard
1221022;1438449177;gribble;pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/ < that was fast
1221023;1438449203;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pierre_rochard I'm particularly curious to hear what you make of http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-july-2015-statement/#selection-379.202-379.283
1221024;1438449204;assbot;MiniGame (S.MG), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeSpzm )
1221025;1438449204;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1221026;1438449253;asciilifeform;btw, anyone feel like standing up a 'block explorer' gizmo based on therealbitcoin ?
1221027;1438449271;asciilifeform;(or will this have to wait for my cloning and one of the clones to do it)
1221028;1438449310;mircea_popescu;this could actually be a reasonably decent companion project. make a static html exporter companion for bitcoind
1221029;1438449320;asciilifeform;aha
1221030;1438449324;shinohai;asciilifeform: like an insight explorer?
1221031;1438449324;mircea_popescu;then everyone running a node can run that too, if they run a webserver.
1221032;1438449336;asciilifeform;not entirely related,
1221033;1438449339;mircea_popescu;keep the css off, results in minimal pages.
1221034;1438449347;asciilifeform;this is when i point out that someone has been playing with phuctor
1221035;1438449352;mircea_popescu;if you can store 100gb of chain you can store 100mb of static html.
1221036;1438449377;shinohai;I haz room
1221037;1438449382;asciilifeform;the current gcd algo in use has a pretty obvious shortcoming: if there is a phuctored key, such that it is the only key with a given known factor,
1221038;1438449392;asciilifeform;and dr. evil doesn't like it to be there,
1221039;1438449409;asciilifeform;he can take said factor, multiply by a new prime, and poof
1221040;1438449412;asciilifeform;it vanishes
1221041;1438449426;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1221042;1438449468;scoopbot_revived;MiniGame (S.MG), July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-july-2015-statement/
1221043;1438449505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because prior to gcd, we divide the product by the modulus, if the former is integer-divisible by the latter
1221044;1438449520;mircea_popescu;ok..
1221045;1438449525;asciilifeform;this is to account for the modulus having been already submitted (if it has)
1221046;1438449549;asciilifeform;but it can also have the effect of removing two factors from the product that were ~not~ part of a single modulus
1221047;1438449556;asciilifeform;but rather, of two different ones.
1221048;1438449567;asciilifeform;this is why the counter now shows 104
1221049;1438449568;mircea_popescu;well this isn't very smart then, is it.
1221050;1438449574;asciilifeform;whereas at one point it showed 106.
1221051;1438449594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the pill against this is for phuctoring to register as ~an event~
1221052;1438449601;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1221053;1438449603;asciilifeform;creating a permanent record.
1221054;1438449604;mircea_popescu;would help rss too
1221055;1438449610;asciilifeform;this is easily 10x the code
1221056;1438449614;asciilifeform;and requires rechurning the entire db
1221057;1438449623;asciilifeform;hence i have not had anything like the time to carry it out.
1221058;1438449631;mircea_popescu;of course
1221059;1438449639;asciilifeform;it is, however, in the pipe.
1221060;1438449640;mircea_popescu;the shenanigans would come back out once a 2nd item is found
1221061;1438449649;asciilifeform;the reason i mention it now,
1221062;1438449654;asciilifeform;is that we ~have~ a permanent record.
1221063;1438449656;asciilifeform;the #b-a log!!
1221064;1438449661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.000537 = 3.2489 BTC [+]
1221065;1438449667;mircea_popescu;funny how that works.
1221066;1438449683;asciilifeform;anyone wants to score an easy qntra, find us the 'lucky winner'
1221067;1438449715;asciilifeform;who thought he could magick away a phuctored key
1221068;1438449783;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/PWrdD
1221069;1438449784;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBXoj6 )
1221070;1438449785;asciilifeform;^ today's
1221071;1438449920;asciilifeform;aaaaand
1221072;1438449922;asciilifeform;we have our winnerz
1221073;1438449942;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB#F79436B629322C70C523BAA5BE0D3D4DDA011578F84122B8CA3ABD15C52A9567
1221074;1438449946;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1HeUHyt )
1221075;1438449947;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542#105DED03AF97CA6EDB6C41B47B7947A3B987A055C2756723E9C5671609CADB38
1221076;1438449963;*;asciilifeform falls down laughing
1221077;1438449974;asciilifeform;srsly, 'full spectrum dominance' idiots, you thought you would pull this off?
1221078;1438449981;mircea_popescu;eh get out ?
1221079;1438450013;asciilifeform;did they think i don't have a record of the submitted tailored moduli ?
1221080;1438450022;mircea_popescu;you left the tank empty deliberately didn't you.
1221081;1438450024;mircea_popescu;ips ?
1221082;1438450028;asciilifeform;what did you think, mircea_popescu.
1221083;1438450045;mircea_popescu;i think your stay in b-a has benefited you immensely :)
1221084;1438450047;*;asciilifeform feeds squealing gnomes in cages, washes chopping block
1221085;1438450124;mircea_popescu;aww. im sure it was just a researcher doing researching.
1221086;1438450130;asciilifeform;these are just the two i found from naked eye inspection !
1221087;1438450633;trinque;asciilifeform: nothing coming out of those links for me atm
1221088;1438450698;asciilifeform;trinque: ddos
1221089;1438450853;trinque;asciilifeform: are you the one weird trick they don't want me to know?
1221090;1438450866;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1221091;1438450900;trinque;just banter
1221092;1438450917;trinque;common spam line
1221093;1438451796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00053735 = 1.5583 BTC [+] {3} 
1221094;1438451874;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1221095;1438451874;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SC42BZ.txt )
1221096;1438452127;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1221097;1438452127;assbot;Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
1221098;1438452134;jurov;!mpif
1221099;1438452135;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021519 B (Total: 427.54 B). Delta: 0.05 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1221100;1438452388;mircea_popescu;ahahaha nsa is down ?
1221101;1438452415;asciilifeform;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=12884901891+
1221102;1438452416;assbot;17 results for '12884901891' - #bitcoin-assets search
1221103;1438452436;mircea_popescu;64 bytes from archive.today (195.211.154.159): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=28.4 ms
1221104;1438452437;mircea_popescu;seems fine
1221105;1438452452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is up. was doing some hefty db queries
1221106;1438452477;mod6;Thanks all for working lastnight to get the db locks issue resolved!    I've got a new bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2 bundle created.  Patch added was `asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch'.  Applies cleanly.  All automated tests passed.
1221107;1438452481;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz.sig
1221108;1438452482;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv )
1221109;1438452483;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHz )
1221110;1438452492;mod6;Sending out updated email to ML now.
1221111;1438452500;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1221112;1438452530;mod6;thanks again asciilifeform, much appreciated.
1221113;1438452555;mircea_popescu;sweet mod6
1221114;1438452679;asciilifeform;66.249.75.214 - - [29/Jul/2015:19:06:47 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
1221115;1438452679;asciilifeform;66.249.75.222 - - [30/Jul/2015:02:24:46 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
1221116;1438452679;asciilifeform;66.249.75.206 - - [30/Jul/2015:08:31:05 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
1221117;1438452682;asciilifeform;66.249.75.222 - - [30/Jul/2015:14:21:36 +0300] "GET /redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? HTTP/1.1" 502 172 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
1221118;1438452687;trinque;asciilifeform: I can regenerate that lcov output later today; I found it a nice way to read the source
1221119;1438452691;asciilifeform;^ does 'google bot' ~always~ try to submit formz !?!!
1221120;1438452695;asciilifeform;or just this one.
1221121;1438452696;trinque;balls, I was scrolled up
1221122;1438452699;trinque;anyhow, same goes
1221123;1438452730;trinque;http://deedbot.org/stator-lcov/ << I'm not clear on why it split the output between "ourlibs" and the build directories
1221124;1438452731;assbot;LCOV - coverage.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWI5T7 )
1221125;1438452754;asciilifeform;aaand
1221126;1438452764;mod6;Note To Ubuntu 10.04 Testers:  I've added a list of install depedantcies to this email to help any build of this go more smoothly.  GnuPG should be installed by default so you can check the sigs.
1221127;1438452772;asciilifeform;66.249.75.222 - - [30/Jul/2015:17:27:37 +0300] "GET /redo/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542? HTTP/1.1" 500 291 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
1221128;1438452773;asciilifeform;66.249.75.214 - - [30/Jul/2015:23:24:28 +0300] "GET /redo/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542? HTTP/1.1" 302 351 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
1221129;1438452773;trinque;also, I've noticed the same, quite common for attacking bots to claim "googlebot"
1221130;1438452780;asciilifeform;because ahahahaha, i wouldn't notice, right.
1221131;1438452786;asciilifeform;because everyone is a muppet ?
1221132;1438452789;trinque;you're just being indexed, citizen
1221133;1438452822;asciilifeform;they're in genuine ip space of that firm, fwiw
1221134;1438452824;mod6;Any other Linux OS Testers: Steps will be gathered soon and will be updating as that information becomes available.
1221135;1438452847;asciilifeform;trinque: 'google' does not, as a matter of routine, push 'redo' button on every key
1221136;1438452861;asciilifeform;(if it had, the thing would be more or less unusable)
1221137;1438452862;trinque;asciilifeform: being entirely sarcastic
1221138;1438452868;asciilifeform;l0l
1221139;1438452870;trinque;I dunno that I've ever seen a POST from googlebot
1221140;1438452878;trinque;I am actually going to grep some logs and see if I have
1221141;1438452928;trinque;well those are GETs, so who knows
1221142;1438452934;asciilifeform;and yes, i left 'redo' and reset-of-gcd-to-1 a thing for a reason
1221143;1438452940;asciilifeform;because some folks think they are oh-so-clever.
1221144;1438452952;jurov;https://www.thumbtack.com/engineering/googlebot-makes-post-requests-via-ajax/
1221145;1438452954;assbot;Thumbtack Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWIh4S )
1221146;1438452977;asciilifeform;jurov: we aint got no js.
1221147;1438453004;trinque;having it do anything other than passively snarf data is kinda rude
1221148;1438453016;punkman;I have received POSTs from Google in the past
1221149;1438453028;jurov;http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.sk/2008/04/crawling-through-html-forms.html
1221150;1438453029;assbot;Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Crawling through HTML forms ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWIiG2 )
1221151;1438453040;asciilifeform;these were 'researchers' doing their 'research' through the world's largest sp4mz0r proxy (available only to aryans, of course)
1221152;1438453051;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what makes you think that's a form posting ?
1221153;1438453066;mircea_popescu;it's just a get request. and google is pretty aggressive following all conceivable urls.
1221154;1438453073;asciilifeform;mno.
1221155;1438453078;asciilifeform;or ALL KEYS WOULD GET REDONE
1221156;1438453100;asciilifeform;                   <form action="/redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB">
1221157;1438453100;asciilifeform;                         <div class=actions><input type=submit value="Retest Key"></div>
1221158;1438453100;asciilifeform;                   </form>
1221159;1438453153;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-demands-google-extend-right-to-be-forgotten-to-global-domains/ <> http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ ?
1221160;1438453154;assbot;France Demands Google Extend "Right to be Forgotten" to Global Domains | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWItAU )
1221161;1438453154;assbot;France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS )
1221162;1438453171;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, it clearly scraped the url from there
1221163;1438453179;mircea_popescu;but it just tried to spider it
1221164;1438453221;asciilifeform;why it and not every other ?
1221165;1438453224;mircea_popescu;i just checked, by going to nosuchlabs.com/redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? myself
1221166;1438453238;mircea_popescu;the result is that it sets it up for rechecking, yes, but i still only made a get req
1221167;1438453251;mircea_popescu;well this is like asking why did the goat piss its left leg and not the right
1221168;1438453263;trinque;it could have some "back off" logic after a 500
1221169;1438453269;kakobrekla;how about content=nofollow ?
1221170;1438453271;mircea_popescu;is there an actual magic modulus submitted ?
1221171;1438453285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still looking for such
1221172;1438453289;mircea_popescu;yeah, if /redo/ has functionality it should be in robots.txt etc
1221173;1438453360;mircea_popescu;trinque i never saw a post from legit (by ip allocation) googlrbot. seen plenty from rogue agents using same user string
1221174;1438453409;ben_vulpes;imagine my extreme disappointment when i cracked my email this morning, found a "bullet" for the locks, and opened it to find a config change.
1221175;1438453421;ben_vulpes;i imagined that he of many hands had actually excised the locks.
1221176;1438453431;ben_vulpes;then i read the logs.
1221177;1438453440;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220396
1221178;1438453440;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 04:39:08; asciilifeform: i mean, yes, i haven't turned my death ray on db.cpp yet
1221179;1438453444;mircea_popescu;lol excised the locks
1221180;1438453446;ben_vulpes;myes, have read.
1221181;1438453462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform excise sag from tits and white from beard while at it
1221182;1438453475;asciilifeform;what point is beard except to show the white !
1221183;1438453497;mircea_popescu;i gyess i don't understand how beards work
1221184;1438453501;asciilifeform;(anyone recall 'chessmaster' cover ?)
1221185;1438453506;mircea_popescu;aha
1221186;1438453511;ben_vulpes;isn't processmessages the only thread that writes to the db?
1221187;1438453515;asciilifeform;http://www.vintagecomputing.com/wp-content/images/chessmaster/chessmaster_2000_box_large.jpg << him
1221188;1438453516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWJ0CW )
1221189;1438453625;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Fixed http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/
1221190;1438453626;assbot;France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally – New Order | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS )
1221191;1438453814;BingoBoingo;Really need to start checking when news is just an update of shit that got qntra'd earlier
1221192;1438453864;trinque;ben_vulpes: I had a bitch-fest about "why the fuck does anything on earth need 40k locks" and got crickets
1221193;1438453879;trinque;something is obscenely wrong there
1221194;1438453900;trinque;so it routinely tries to break the integrity of its own data to the tune of 10s of thousands
1221195;1438453923;trinque;if bitcoind were intended to obscure the functioning of the bitcoin algorithm for as long as possible, it would've come out the same way
1221196;1438454295;trinque;relatedly, my new hobby is reading wireshark logs of bitcoind's operation
1221197;1438454697;asciilifeform;the new phuctor, like it or not, will have to consist of static html updated at intervals.
1221198;1438454709;asciilifeform;the one we have now has been ddosed into more or less total uselessness
1221199;1438454747;ben_vulpes;the fate of all useful things connected to the internet without mitigation
1221200;1438454755;ben_vulpes;not getting ddosed? not useful.
1221201;1438454782;davout;this ^
1221202;1438454807;ben_vulpes;hi davout
1221203;1438454828;trinque;anyone give a shit about discussing cranking a magic number to 11 without discussing how the fuck it's using that many locks?
1221204;1438454870;asciilifeform;trinque: me.
1221205;1438454894;trinque;I can spend the next couple weeks staring at all the db code, but if it's already been thought through by someone, I'm all ears
1221206;1438454909;*;asciilifeform has been, very reluctantly, unravelling the bdb thing in his head today
1221207;1438455012;ben_vulpes;trinque: "many eyes"
1221208;1438455033;ben_vulpes;don't worry about wasted effort. the more people who have it in their head, the better off la serenissima is.
1221209;1438455049;ben_vulpes;besides, you'll need to write a bitcoind of your own some day anyways.
1221210;1438455061;davout;ohai ben_vulpes et al.
1221211;1438455076;ben_vulpes;how's life, davout? haven't seen you much of late.
1221212;1438455111;trinque;ben_vulpes: widespread use of indices to deal with the fact that berkdb... ain't a db?
1221213;1438455113;davout;second kid arrived, private pilot license in progress 70% pretty much sums it up :-)
1221214;1438455120;trinque;then parallel threads trying to dick with said indices?
1221215;1438455133;trinque;aka lets invent a database while inventing bitcoind?
1221216;1438455160;ben_vulpes;myeah. curse of the kv user.
1221217;1438455174;trinque;that's what I'm seeing, just trying to measure my own sense of stink against others
1221218;1438455178;ben_vulpes;similar to how all blublangs implement conditions poorly.
1221219;1438455192;ben_vulpes;trinque: it's a crime that there are no transaction indices or block indices.
1221220;1438455205;trinque;should jsut be a separate concern entirely
1221221;1438455206;ben_vulpes;(see asciilifeform's comment re upper bound of dumpblock)
1221222;1438455216;ben_vulpes;davout: sounds like a lot of work. congrats etc.
1221223;1438455218;trinque;where does the abstract logic of bitcoin end and the implementation of a shitty db begin
1221224;1438455221;trinque;have fun kid, who knows!
1221225;1438455224;trinque;haha
1221226;1438455231;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: block indices are computed! because they are a function of longest-chain
1221227;1438455235;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1221228;1438455250;ben_vulpes;$bizpartner took me up in a 2 seat glider the other weekend, after about .75 hrs of going in a circle to the right i asked to come down, was put on the stick and pedals instead.
1221229;1438455268;davout;haha nice
1221230;1438455274;ben_vulpes;shocking how quickly my equilibrium returned
1221231;1438455279;davout;gliders are pretty high on my todo
1221232;1438455287;ben_vulpes;it's like a surfboard for the sky!
1221233;1438455301;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: location of block on disk, though?
1221234;1438455322;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes proposes to move them on disk every reorg ?
1221235;1438455326;*;ben_vulpes may be wrong, is undercaffinated, girl is stil making breakfast.
1221236;1438455330;ben_vulpes;no no no
1221237;1438455337;trinque;model all blocks
1221238;1438455341;trinque;all paths
1221239;1438455344;trinque;then have something pointing
1221240;1438455351;trinque;like a version control system would do
1221241;1438455360;asciilifeform;^ what we have now
1221242;1438455378;asciilifeform;every block sits down on disk sequentially, and the db index thing points to indices
1221243;1438455428;ben_vulpes;+    // this is O(n^2)...
1221244;1438455428;ben_vulpes;+    // possibly could be improved if we descend from best height if requested height is closer to it
1221245;1438455453;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: technically the comment is wrong, the operation is O(N)
1221246;1438455463;asciilifeform;getting ~all~ the blocks is O(n^2)
1221247;1438455479;asciilifeform;i did point this out shortly after posting it.
1221248;1438455501;ben_vulpes;this is above my pay grade in terms of data structures, but perhaps an opportunity to learn. is there not a data structure available for use that doesn't have to iterate through the whole index to grab the element of interest?
1221249;1438455513;trinque;just point at the end of all paths
1221250;1438455517;trinque;and append-only
1221251;1438455530;trinque;I cannot fathom what's hard in here, and I'm plainly asking to be called a moron, and why
1221252;1438455540;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: try to understand why there is the index to begin with
1221253;1438455545;trinque;git *is* this data structure
1221254;1438455547;asciilifeform;rather than 'take nth 1MB block from disk'
1221255;1438455557;asciilifeform;it is because reorgs
1221256;1438455564;asciilifeform;and also because varying sizes of block
1221257;1438455571;ben_vulpes;myes, i follow.
1221258;1438455577;asciilifeform;really this is quite similar to everyone's file system.
1221259;1438455728;ben_vulpes;what i do not understand is why it is necessary to iterate through mapblockindex.
1221260;1438455734;ben_vulpes;probably an uninteresting question.
1221261;1438455775;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because gotta walk the chain to answer the question of 'who is nth block'
1221262;1438455788;asciilifeform;on account of it being a tree (with reorgs) rather than a mere linked list
1221263;1438456176;ben_vulpes;hm
1221264;1438456197;ben_vulpes;TODAY I DO BATTLE WITH PYTHONPATH
1221265;1438456204;asciilifeform;?
1221266;1438456249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62515 @ 0.00051147 = 31.9745 BTC [-]
1221267;1438456737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86416 @ 0.00052611 = 45.4643 BTC [+]
1221268;1438460881;scoopbot_revived;Looking in the ASCII mirror. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/01/looking-in-the-ascii-mirror/
1221269;1438462061;shinohai;How long before asciilifeform invents phuctor for bitcoin
1221270;1438462085;asciilifeform;shinohai: long ago done, by other people
1221271;1438462113;shinohai;o rly
1221272;1438462143;decimation;it's depressing to kick off bitcoind and watch it balloon in memory
1221273;1438462283;Adlai;$proxies
1221274;1438462309;Adlai;no empyex :(
1221275;1438462664;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1526
1221276;1438462666;assbot;Loper OS » The Phuctored and the Phucked ... ( http://bit.ly/1gyIzn7 )
1221277;1438462810;*;Adlai wonders whether somebody misunderstood shinohai's question.
1221278;1438462822;Adlai;although perhaps shinohai misunderstood ecdlp
1221279;1438462844;shinohai;I think i did misunderstand.
1221280;1438462897;asciilifeform;!s android rng
1221281;1438462898;assbot;4 results for 'android rng' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=android+rng
1221282;1438462923;asciilifeform;buncha folks used broken ecdsa which reused k-values, lost their coinz
1221283;1438462924;scoopbot_revived;The Phuctored and the Phucked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1526
1221284;1438462959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00053767 = 29.5181 BTC [+] {4} 
1221285;1438463169;shinohai;I remember that abt reused k values and the android snafu for blockchain.info
1221286;1438463176;asciilifeform;aha. it.
1221287;1438463181;punkman;asciilifeform: shinohai: long ago done, by other people << still being done every second of every day
1221288;1438463188;asciilifeform;naturally!
1221289;1438463193;asciilifeform;why on earth would they stop ?!
1221290;1438463210;asciilifeform;did people ever stop looking for gold watches on beaches ?
1221291;1438463232;asciilifeform;for 'benjies' dropped on the sidewalk ?
1221292;1438463253;punkman;and the whole HD wallet thing provides extra targets as well
1221293;1438463263;asciilifeform;HD ?
1221294;1438463265;punkman;(hierarchical deterministic)
1221295;1438463287;*;Adlai finds, while trying to type out the difference between this hunt (rsa factor collision) and that (reused/predictable k-values), that it's quite elusive
1221296;1438463293;Adlai;'it is mind that moves'
1221297;1438463300;punkman;see also BIP0032
1221298;1438463308;Adlai;... how exactly?
1221299;1438463456;Apocalyptic;punkman, care to explain your reasoning behind this claim ?
1221300;1438463468;asciilifeform;and what is an 'HD' wallet ?
1221301;1438463498;shinohai;wallets that look slick and get your coins lost
1221302;1438463499;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, it's a way of deriving addresses deterministically from an original seed using a HMAC function afaik
1221303;1438463512;shinohai;I dont really like SPV wallets either
1221304;1438463579;punkman;Apocalyptic: I have mentioned it here several times
1221305;1438463661;punkman;lemme see if I can dig up thje links
1221306;1438463697;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: what is the point of this practice ?
1221307;1438463704;Apocalyptic;punkman, I simply don't see the relationship between HMAC-derived addresses and the signature process, more specifically the k-value
1221308;1438463709;asciilifeform;why not use a proper rng ?
1221309;1438463712;punkman;asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#Abstract
1221310;1438463714;assbot;bips/bip-0032.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZOkPA )
1221311;1438463723;punkman;also brainwallet with infinite change addresses
1221312;1438463724;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point
1221313;1438463742;decimation;!
1221314;1438463750;decimation;you want a key without an rng?
1221315;1438463769;shinohai;Am i alone here in hating on darkwallet too?
1221316;1438463791;asciilifeform;i never understood the purpose of these perverse gymnastics
1221317;1438463793;Apocalyptic;punkman, maybe HD wallet doesn't mean the same thing for you
1221318;1438463796;asciilifeform;rng is so hard to come by ?
1221319;1438463807;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, proper rng ?
1221320;1438463809;asciilifeform;aha
1221321;1438463820;asciilifeform;if you're poor, you 1) don't need this 2) throw fucking dice
1221322;1438463843;Apocalyptic;and if you're not poor, you buy a cardano I guess
1221323;1438463843;decimation;maybe use that guy's ti-89 code for making key
1221324;1438463855;Adlai;shinohai:you're not alone, fuck darkwallet
1221325;1438463860;shinohai;use plain die
1221326;1438463864;asciilifeform;not like there aren't rng available now
1221327;1438463866;Adlai;it's already dead
1221328;1438463868;Adlai;that's the problem
1221329;1438463896;Adlai;dead, orphaned, yet somehow still losing idiot nickles
1221330;1438463904;decimation;asciilifeform: part of the problem is, it's hard for folks to trust what's inside a black box without understanding what's inside
1221331;1438463915;shinohai;thx Adlai too many people don't want bitcoin but an *app* for bitcoin
1221332;1438463920;asciilifeform;and they understand prng ?
1221333;1438463948;Adlai;punkman: fwiw i'm quite sure bip32 doesn't make your addresses less secure, provided you don't leak the key data
1221334;1438463964;decimation;if you can't understand prng, how are they gonna understanding the elliptical key math, even if they supply their own dice numbers?
1221335;1438463965;Adlai;it does mean that a leak compromises multiple addresses, but that's because they essentially have the same key
1221336;1438463985;decimation;Adlai: so why bother?  why not use just one key?
1221337;1438464009;decimation;seems like it's a device to pull the wool in front of your own eyes
1221338;1438464077;jurov;decimation: some people prefer to not have to maintain properly megabyte wallet.dat files
1221339;1438464131;jurov;cold store the seed once and get as many addresses as desired
1221340;1438464174;decimation;if you can cold store on seed, why not two? or N?
1221341;1438464189;Apocalyptic;in other news from the factoring mines I managed to get the complete factorization of the shortest phuctored modulus so far: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5
1221342;1438464194;jurov;decimation: you know how wallet.dat works?
1221343;1438464204;decimation;not really, I try to avoid using it
1221344;1438464207;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: neato
1221345;1438464208;jurov;that you *must* back it up often or else?
1221346;1438464211;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: what was it
1221347;1438464240;Apocalyptic;Factors found: 3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, 111420520518095837785511104477004478326532328625274528915533121095387027488402286811845047880038390653384109
1221348;1438464258;Apocalyptic;didn't investigate if they have a particular form in base 16 or 2
1221349;1438464264;punkman;Apocalyptic: found it. https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/848
1221350;1438464266;assbot;Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/848 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZPLh3 )
1221351;1438464295;Adlai;decimation: dunno, ask these guys... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058369
1221352;1438464295;assbot;Logged on 19-03-2015 22:01:09; assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.
1221353;1438464351;Adlai;decimation: you can "cold store" an infinite number of addresses in your head as a phrase,but only a finite number of distinct keys
1221354;1438464367;Apocalyptic;punkman, can you be more specific and point me to a given page/chapter ?
1221355;1438464372;*;Adlai is not advocating the use of "brainwallets" where you pick the phrase, but rather a phrase generated from randomness + wordlist
1221356;1438464383;jurov;^ sop
1221357;1438464390;danielpbarron;sounds like the deterministic thing comes from the already brain damaged desire to never reuse an address
1221358;1438464393;punkman;Apocalyptic: eh, read the paper
1221359;1438464399;Apocalyptic;also it's a paper from Courtois, who afaik has wrote many innacuracies about bitcoin
1221360;1438464429;Apocalyptic;"One small security incident in a remote
1221361;1438464429;Apocalyptic;corner of the system and everything collapses, all private keys can be re-
1221362;1438464429;Apocalyptic;covered and ALL bitcoins within the remit of the system can be stolen.
1221363;1438464429;Apocalyptic;Privilege escalation attacks on HD Wallet solutions are not new. In this
1221364;1438464430;Apocalyptic;paper we take it much further."
1221365;1438464449;asciilifeform;re: rng:
1221366;1438464451;Apocalyptic;(sorry for \n) punkman if this is their main point then it's moot wrt was I was asking
1221367;1438464452;asciilifeform;'The Die.  A die complained: "I have not been / Quite comfortable in my skin. / Of my six planes, the sitting side, / And bore it but my single mark, / Must ever gaze, not far and wide, / But into earth's eternal dark." When earth beneath him heard the cube, / She very nearly blew a tube. / "You jackass," said she, "what a farce! / I'm dark when covered by your arse! / As soon as you will move the same, I'll shine as with a ge
1221368;1438464452;asciilifeform;m-like flame." / The die, insulted past repair, / Chose not to bandy words with her.' (Morgenstern, transl. by Arndt)
1221369;1438464453;Adlai;"can be stolen by people who have the auditor keys" - don't expose mpub, period. bip32 is not designed for auditing [live] wallets
1221370;1438464484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19809 @ 0.00051933 = 10.2874 BTC [-] {2} 
1221371;1438464498;Apocalyptic;that is: the hierarchy-deterministic way of computing addresses doesn't weaken at all the signature
1221372;1438464520;asciilifeform;it weakens ~the whole shebang~
1221373;1438464532;jurov;danielpbarron: well, people like mp (or me) who want to sleep ad libitum and thus decided to accept coins, inveitably end up requiring $maxint addresses
1221374;1438464533;Apocalyptic;well sure it does
1221375;1438464539;asciilifeform;because the number of bits that must be learned by the enemy to take all of your coin - is smaller.
1221376;1438464541;asciilifeform;qed.
1221377;1438464543;punkman;the point is idiots will lose their coins this way, dunno what else you want
1221378;1438464569;Adlai;idiots losing coin is the root of all deflation
1221379;1438464604;Adlai;although in the current market climate, theft may do the opposite
1221380;1438464637;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, if something strikes you as odd among these factors please do tell
1221381;1438464645;*;Adlai is a big fan of "magic" HD wallets, that send your funds into obscure chains... spendable, if you know where to look
1221382;1438464670;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: as far as i can tell, the factors found thus far all fit the profile of factors-of-randomly-chosen-integer
1221383;1438464701;asciilifeform;(we know that they are not randomly-chosen, at least in the case of the 'magic 32-bit copy' set. but otherwise, yes)
1221384;1438464726;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: what did it take to obtain the factors ?
1221385;1438464797;Apocalyptic;7556 iterations of gmp-ecm from inria with a B1 bound of 43e6
1221386;1438464815;decimation;I do feel sorry for jurov, being chained to bitcoind for key management
1221387;1438464825;shinohai;I feel less and less guilty about ppl losing their bitcoin to alternative chains since coming here.
1221388;1438464837;Apocalyptic;I did 4480 iterations at 11e6 prior to that which found nothing
1221389;1438464840;asciilifeform;!rate Apocalyptic 2 Phuctorizations! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221347
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1221391;1438464840;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 21:24:00; Apocalyptic: Factors found: 3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, 111420520518095837785511104477004478326532328625274528915533121095387027488402286811845047880038390653384109
1221392;1438464844;jurov;decimation why do you think?
1221393;1438464871;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.Apocalyptic.2:9ac7a9923cd6cf276665477abbafe398736d65670519700c9f24c592027436c9
1221394;1438464871;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for Apocalyptic with note: Phuctorizations! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221347
1221395;1438464881;decimation;jurov: I mean I look forward to the day when wallet.dat can be axed and an off-net computer be used to manage keys
1221396;1438464908;Apocalyptic;thank you
1221397;1438464928;jurov;i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed
1221398;1438464939;asciilifeform;!rate trinque 1 therealbitcoin testing
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1221400;1438464940;jurov;process is everything
1221401;1438464958;decimation;it is, from the point of view of "give enemy less informatin"
1221402;1438464965;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.trinque.1:fec1f5b332f215f61d3f58699b2fc3f68a67b412f15a12da37b5f313c814e60a
1221403;1438464965;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for trinque with note: therealbitcoin testing
1221404;1438464999;jurov;decimation in this scenario eneby that gets wallet.dat has much more information than enemy that merely gets public key
1221405;1438465011;jurov;devil is in the details
1221406;1438465025;decimation;yeah, I understand
1221407;1438465030;asciilifeform;!rate phf 1 ru lisper
1221408;1438465030;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d93044adb9512602
1221409;1438465034;decimation;which is why wallet.dat needs to die
1221410;1438465057;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.phf.1:f789621cb79be638a2adfee29f9bb44dae1706915df62dc29625c30071357459
1221411;1438465057;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for phf with note: ru lisper
1221412;1438465064;decimation;ideally one would store keys in off-net antifuse
1221413;1438465065;jurov;decimation: also there must be a way to unlimited count of new addresses, which bip
1221414;1438465073;jurov;bip32 fulfills nicely
1221415;1438465092;jurov;as shown above, even mp had to succumb to that
1221416;1438465143;asciilifeform;!rate shinohai 1 therealbitcoin testing
1221417;1438465144;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/67f7b901dff3d59a
1221418;1438465160;decimation;I get it, managing fucktons of key material is a serious pain
1221419;1438465165;shinohai;O.o
1221420;1438465172;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.shinohai.1:9af23be464f165bf419ebbc28be144141a36d6625711516de0a2f03a6ecb6039
1221421;1438465172;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: therealbitcoin testing
1221422;1438465214;shinohai;Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project?
1221423;1438465227;asciilifeform;well ~i~ thought it would be interesting
1221424;1438465229;trinque;wouldn't be lame to do it as described
1221425;1438465230;asciilifeform;no idea about other folks
1221426;1438465246;Apocalyptic;!rate asciilifeform 2 Built phuctor, knows some maths
1221427;1438465246;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/12de3e5e8f1470eb
1221428;1438465288;Apocalyptic;!v assbot:Apocalyptic.rate.asciilifeform.2:c43e959793043b012992520acc6f924bc0b4e54fa57c5e33a891976d87a4bafe
1221429;1438465288;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: Built phuctor, knows some maths
1221430;1438465317;jurov;maff power!
1221431;1438465430;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201507.txt.asc
1221432;1438465431;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZSuae )
1221433;1438465433;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1221434;1438465459;jurov;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150801/attachment_6ce4bd8d2b82fcc9cb8a76c06e8a4e2b38f11b21.txt
1221435;1438465460;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZSAyt )
1221436;1438465460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7119 @ 0.00052255 = 3.72 BTC [+]
1221437;1438465461;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1221438;1438465699;shinohai;Leaked img >>> http://i.imgur.com/1Uh8Nvq.jpg?1
1221439;1438465700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VTSTpP )
1221440;1438465726;asciilifeform;shinohai: xt is mike hearn
1221441;1438465856;punkman;http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/07/30/operation-potao-express/
1221442;1438465857;assbot;Operation Potao Express: Analysis of a cyber-espionage toolkit ... ( http://bit.ly/1VTT7NF )
1221443;1438465898;punkman;"We found out that the website truecryptrussia.ru has been serving modified versions of the encryption software that included a backdoor to selected targets."
1221444;1438466100;asciilifeform;lulz
1221445;1438466116;asciilifeform;Run Moar Winblowz !!
1221446;1438466137;asciilifeform;and Run Moar Binariez You Didn't Build Yourself
1221447;1438466147;decimation;asciilifeform: but for the average guy, it's pwn at factory or pwn by wildmen
1221448;1438466176;asciilifeform;'average guy' isn't worth the materials needed to tan his hide
1221449;1438466488;kakobrekla;Build Yourself < i imagine most people here built broken openssl before.
1221450;1438466517;decimation;yeah, recipe needs 'fit code in head' too
1221451;1438466521;decimation;which is a tall order
1221452;1438466539;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: didn't say it was an elixir of immortality. just a baseline for literacy
1221453;1438466655;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: it is just oh so precious when folks who download fresh mystery meat in bin form every day of the week and give it full run of their machine, make noises about 'security'
1221454;1438466789;decimation;asciilifeform: thinking about antifuse, a 'jungle' version could be made: make a pcb with 4096 shorts, scrape the desired bitpattern by hand.  could be made into a 'pluggable module' and hand-verified
1221455;1438466801;asciilifeform;decimation: and the diodes ?
1221456;1438466807;asciilifeform;also 4096 of'em ?
1221457;1438466812;decimation;not even diodes, just traces
1221458;1438466820;asciilifeform;that's not a rom
1221459;1438466843;asciilifeform;how do you address row/col without diodes ?
1221460;1438466849;asciilifeform;pray tell
1221461;1438466866;decimation;yeah you would need a multiplex chip
1221462;1438466885;asciilifeform;you still need diodes !
1221463;1438466900;asciilifeform;otherwise you get current flow through all the shorts in a row/col
1221464;1438466904;asciilifeform;and meaningless output
1221465;1438466909;asciilifeform;can't select.
1221466;1438466916;decimation;well, I was thinking of 4096 lines in parallel
1221467;1438466920;decimation;but that wouldn't be practical
1221468;1438466922;asciilifeform;ahahaha l0l
1221469;1438466924;asciilifeform;no.
1221470;1438466925;decimation;as an edge connector
1221471;1438466944;asciilifeform;edge connectors with reasonable pin counts are flaky enough as it is.
1221472;1438466956;asciilifeform;(ever nudge your video card ?)
1221473;1438466962;decimation;yeah, maybe a 'zif socket'
1221474;1438466967;asciilifeform;ditto
1221475;1438466967;decimation;but now it gets more expensive
1221476;1438466984;decimation;plus ideally you would want several keys per card
1221477;1438466988;asciilifeform;and outrageously fragile if exercised with any regularity
1221478;1438467001;decimation;yeah, so you would need some logic to probe each channel
1221479;1438467063;asciilifeform;some logic here, some logic there, sooner or later you have your existing computer plus some weird appendage
1221480;1438467071;asciilifeform;instead of whatever it was you wanted.
1221481;1438467163;decimation;yeah, it's depressing
1221482;1438467175;kakobrekla;this chan? yes.
1221483;1438467181;decimation;it would be nice to have a little 'secure terminal' which could store key material reliably
1221484;1438467229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00050698 = 5.4815 BTC [-] {4} 
1221485;1438467295;asciilifeform;decimation: depending on what you want to do, 1980s computers are still available
1221486;1438467311;punkman;http://www.iacr.org/archive/ches2006/26/26.pdf << maybe relevant to those corrupted keys phuctor found
1221487;1438467314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfEzwL )
1221488;1438467364;asciilifeform;punkman: i can't find anything that will display this pdf
1221489;1438467373;punkman;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:q5KIpA2wYPQJ:bcm.crypto.free.fr/pdf/BCCC06.pdf+&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us  here
1221490;1438467374;assbot;Why One Should Also Secure RSA Public Key Elements ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfEKbp )
1221491;1438467425;punkman;and referenced in that: http://libra.msra.cn/Publication/1767685/on-authenticated-computing-and-rsa-based-authentication
1221492;1438467458;punkman;"the most often observed fault during RSA-computations exposed to glitch attacks is the erroneous modification of the moduli."
1221493;1438467493;asciilifeform;if the 32-bit-mirror moduli are the product of any kind of electronic accident, i will shit toyotas.
1221494;1438467500;asciilifeform;and not once, but 98 times.
1221495;1438467562;asciilifeform;on top of this, i hope it is obvious to everyone that the problem of divining any bits of the private key from the public, mutilated or not, is equivalent to breaking rsa
1221496;1438467632;asciilifeform;and yes, you can recover bits of key from faults, ~if said faults take place on a machine with knowledge of the private key~ !
1221497;1438467698;asciilifeform;this, famously, is why you don't ever want to give public access to a mechanism which tries to decrypt messages supplied by public
1221498;1438467700;asciilifeform;esp. in real time
1221499;1438467713;punkman;" the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus"
1221500;1438467740;asciilifeform;no shit
1221501;1438467753;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221493   <<< Does said toyota shit contain any ISIS insurgents?
1221502;1438467753;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 22:18:13; asciilifeform: if the 32-bit-mirror moduli are the product of any kind of electronic accident, i will shit toyotas.
1221503;1438467760;asciilifeform;e.g., we can now sign messages using the key Apocalyptic supplied the complete factorization for
1221504;1438467786;asciilifeform;shinohai: each will contain seven live, and healthy, osama bin ladens
1221505;1438467794;asciilifeform;and one dick cheney to fellate'em
1221506;1438467796;shinohai;w0rd
1221507;1438467961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00050402 = 13.0541 BTC [-] {3} 
1221508;1438468571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050402 = 18.5479 BTC [-]
1221509;1438468695;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is with people and "deleting"
1221510;1438468710;mircea_popescu;somehow the average idiot got this idea that time comes with an undo button. when and how did this happen.
1221511;1438468730;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anvin's, for instance, is missing
1221512;1438468730;decimation;somebody already had my 'pcb anti-fuse' idea (and thought it out better) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/sci.electronics.components/fuse-based$20printed$20circuit$20board/sci.electronics.components/BV7Q279up-Q/XzdY2RJgQgEJ
1221513;1438468731;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfHRQz )
1221514;1438468733;asciilifeform;(the diddled key)
1221515;1438468737;asciilifeform;from mit sks
1221516;1438468750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interesting, sorta
1221517;1438468768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur << obligatory re: 'how did this happen'
1221518;1438468769;assbot;The Digital Imprimatur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfHXHV )
1221519;1438468779;asciilifeform;in short, www was the censor's wet dream
1221520;1438468784;asciilifeform;can 'un-print'
1221521;1438468786;mircea_popescu;i dun see it.
1221522;1438468792;asciilifeform;because not stupid
1221523;1438468798;asciilifeform;the stupid - see this and only this
1221524;1438468825;decimation;mircea_popescu: back in the old days you had to print stuff on paper
1221525;1438468840;mircea_popescu;"Over the last two years I have become deeply and increasingly pessimistic about the future of liberty and freedom of speech, particularly in regard to the Internet. This is a complete reversal of the almost unbounded optimism I felt during the 1994�1999 period when public access to the Internet burgeoned and innovative new forms of communication appeared in rapid succession. In that epoch I was firmly convinced that
1221526;1438468841;mircea_popescu; universal access to the Internet would provide a countervailing force against the centralisation and concentration in government and the mass media which act to constrain freedom of expression and unrestricted access to information. Further, the Internet, properly used, could actually roll back government and corporate encroachment on individual freedom by allowing information to flow past the barriers erected by tota
1221527;1438468842;mircea_popescu;litarian or authoritarian governments and around the gatekeepers of the mainstream media."
1221528;1438468849;mircea_popescu;this will be said re bitcoin in what, acoupla years ?
1221529;1438468875;mircea_popescu;anyway, my blown fuse was specifically re http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-114933
1221530;1438468876;assbot;Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for the very first time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MErftK )
1221531;1438468936;asciilifeform;lulzy
1221532;1438468962;mircea_popescu;but the idea you know ?
1221533;1438468968;mircea_popescu;"you fucked up, delete it!!1 quick!!1"
1221534;1438468968;asciilifeform;aha, the idea.
1221535;1438468970;mircea_popescu;how the fuck.
1221536;1438469014;mircea_popescu;to this day - i have no idea how to put this in proper words - to this day they have NUMEROUS CASES of fucktarded "doctors" who get supoenad for their records and show up with doctored records.
1221537;1438469017;asciilifeform;these are folks who will throw away whole identities on a lark, not mere posts
1221538;1438469029;mircea_popescu;what, please explain to me, what the fuck must be going on inside this supposedly educated person's mind.
1221539;1438469035;mircea_popescu;how are they a doctor in the first place.
1221540;1438469042;mircea_popescu;it's as unmedical as it gets.
1221541;1438469072;decimation;mircea_popescu: you mean folks with 'fake degrees'
1221542;1438469075;mircea_popescu;no.
1221543;1438469079;decimation;or fake medical records
1221544;1438469083;mircea_popescu;i mean folks with multiple degrees from fucking harvard.
1221545;1438469103;asciilifeform;greenspun ?
1221546;1438469103;mircea_popescu;decimation what happens is that some guy dies and the attening physician gets supoenad.
1221547;1438469114;mircea_popescu;"please bring your records re so and so"
1221548;1438469120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15888 @ 0.00050571 = 8.0347 BTC [+]
1221549;1438469123;mircea_popescu;by the point that supoena issues, OBVIOUSLY they already have copies.
1221550;1438469134;mircea_popescu;because no fucking laywer to date has yet asked a question he didn't know the answer to
1221551;1438469138;decimation;ah, and doctor didn't actually take notes, or have any notion of what was going on with particular patient?
1221552;1438469148;mircea_popescu;because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities.
1221553;1438469155;asciilifeform;!b 1
1221554;1438469156;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08E8V2K.txt )
1221555;1438469160;mircea_popescu;no, doctor took notes, didn't like the look of them, changed what they said.
1221556;1438469167;decimation;ah I see.
1221557;1438469177;mircea_popescu;mental age of about 6
1221558;1438469193;decimation;to connect with my misunderstanding, why bother going to medical school?
1221559;1438469197;asciilifeform;incidentally, the american style of schooling strongly selects for this
1221560;1438469200;decimation;could do the same with fake degree too
1221561;1438469222;mircea_popescu;some people actually wanna learn a trade for chryssakes.
1221562;1438469231;asciilifeform;that's what 'go-getter type' has ~always meant in usa~. a fella willing to lie, defraud, with straight face
1221563;1438469244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no look. lie and defraud is one thing.
1221564;1438469256;asciilifeform;the tighter a tournament market, in usa, the more this is selected for.
1221565;1438469257;mircea_popescu;there's a difference, you know, between faeces flinger and bed shitter.
1221566;1438469260;decimation;in the uk in particular, there is a strong tradition of 'surgeon is not doctor, but skilled craftsman'
1221567;1438469272;mircea_popescu;this is bed shitting.
1221568;1438469322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is, their scam skillz are honed for a certain kind of largely-ritualized competition. like the antlers of ruminants. for actual combat - not so much
1221569;1438469342;mircea_popescu;quite ruminant.
1221570;1438469350;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_College_of_Surgeons_of_England " When the College of Surgeons received its royal charter, the Royal College of Physicians insisted that candidates must have a medical degree first.[citation needed] Therefore an aspiring surgeon had to study medicine first and received the title Doctor. Thereafter, having obtained the diploma of Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons he would revert ...
1221571;1438469351;assbot;Royal College of Surgeons of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MErRQ6 )
1221572;1438469356;decimation;... to the title "Mr" as a snub to the RCP."
1221573;1438469411;shinohai;I'd rather be known as a knight of La Serenissima.
1221574;1438469427;shinohai;hue
1221575;1438469432;mircea_popescu;"en or, lions rampant, people ruminant"
1221576;1438469438;asciilifeform;!b 1
1221577;1438469438;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13YB801.txt )
1221578;1438469438;decimation;heh
1221579;1438469440;asciilifeform;mega-l0l
1221580;1438469451;decimation;^ #b-a heraldry?
1221581;1438469491;shinohai;http://www.immortalmuse.com/2010/09/27/tuesday-poem-jims-coat-of-arms-by-mark-twain/
1221582;1438469496;assbot;"Jim's Coat of Arms" by Mark Twain | Immortal MuseImmortal Muse ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEs2Lg )
1221583;1438470034;ben_vulpes;phf: your .dat reader works very well, thank you. consider submitting to list?
1221584;1438470048;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf %%
1221585;1438470048;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1221586;1438471327;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221195 << too lazy to search for the mp quote saying "these schmucks are principally invovled in trying to defend their own imaginary position of power through a castle of bad code"
1221587;1438471327;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 18:32:03; trinque: if bitcoind were intended to obscure the functioning of the bitcoin algorithm for as long as possible, it would've come out the same way
1221588;1438471348;mircea_popescu;but your intuition is correct. everything the "core devs" have been doing since at the latest 2012 is this and nothing else.
1221589;1438471353;mircea_popescu;which is why it's getting excised.
1221590;1438471364;mircea_popescu;somehow the notion that it'll get excised never occured to them.
1221591;1438471377;mircea_popescu;like you know, the notion that he's pouring money in the sand ne'er occurs to friendly ddos guy.
1221592;1438471382;mircea_popescu;stragety is hard.
1221593;1438471427;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221203 << i don't think you understand what "locks" means in bdb parlance
1221594;1438471427;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 18:47:08; trinque: anyone give a shit about discussing cranking a magic number to 11 without discussing how the fuck it's using that many locks?
1221595;1438471499;mircea_popescu;see http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs276a/projects/docs/berkeleydb/ref/lock/intro.html specifically " (Performing multiple lock operations atomically is useful in performing Btree traversals". then realise this is jsut called recursively throughout a (large) tree for no reason whatsoever.
1221596;1438471501;assbot;Berkeley DB Reference Guide: Berkeley DB and locking ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0SIDd )
1221597;1438471503;mircea_popescu;it's a meaningless count.
1221598;1438471530;mircea_popescu;obviously this should be fixed. but we're not there yet, and the fix would not consist of shaping gangrene anyway.
1221599;1438471733;trinque;got it; I'll read that link
1221600;1438471739;trinque;and the point prior is all too clear
1221601;1438471780;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221256 << this is pure wank. all blocks are 1mb, and it's reliable as set in stone. the right move is to pad all blocks to 1mb and forget about it
1221602;1438471780;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 18:59:24; asciilifeform: and also because varying sizes of block
1221603;1438471809;mircea_popescu;that satoshi didn't originally is because he adapted design to perceived resources, and figured nobody would; run it if it took 2gb every 8 days.
1221604;1438471829;mircea_popescu;in fact the blk0001 covers as you folks observed, the first ~3 years of bitcoin or some shit.
1221605;1438471847;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, that random accident at the beginning passed, the correct storage schema for bitcoin blockchain is fixed 1mb blocks.
1221606;1438471884;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall we even discussed this, in re a bitcoin fs.
1221607;1438472114;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221312 << check it out, the perpetuum entropible.
1221608;1438472114;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 21:15:24; Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point
1221609;1438472114;scoopbot_revived;What MP wants, MP gets. Also, prayers are answered. http://trilema.com/2015/what-mp-wants-mp-gets-also-prayers-are-answered/
1221610;1438472224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221341 << well done!
1221611;1438472224;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 21:23:09; Apocalyptic: in other news from the factoring mines I managed to get the complete factorization of the shortest phuctored modulus so far: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5
1221612;1438472229;mircea_popescu;sadly the log cuts up the numbers.
1221613;1438472294;mircea_popescu;3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293,
1221614;1438472294;mircea_popescu;1114205205180958377855111044770044783265323286252745
1221615;1438472294;mircea_popescu;2891553312109538702748840228681184504788003839065338
1221616;1438472294;mircea_popescu;4109
1221617;1438472297;mircea_popescu;for the future.
1221618;1438472319;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, only the display is cut, the source shows the full numbers
1221619;1438472345;mircea_popescu;ah right you are.
1221620;1438472366;mircea_popescu;was this a 1024 key ?
1221621;1438472400;mircea_popescu;seem too few digits, to my untrained eye.
1221622;1438472407;Apocalyptic;maybe even a 512 one
1221623;1438472428;mircea_popescu;163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ?
1221624;1438472509;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220928 <<< forbes didn't lift an article but linked to another site which lifted a qntra story which was an exclusive
1221625;1438472509;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 15:52:27; asciilifeform: who was it who lifted a piece wholesale? 'forbes' ?
1221626;1438472550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221373 << not necessary, one'd hope. bitbet has been running off the same set of addresses forever.
1221627;1438472550;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 21:28:52; jurov: danielpbarron: well, people like mp (or me) who want to sleep ad libitum and thus decided to accept coins, inveitably end up requiring $maxint addresses
1221628;1438472570;cazalla;and i contacted them saying hey, perhaps you'd like to link to the original instead of a copy wrapped in adsense but he declined
1221629;1438472608;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu just because large enough set.
1221630;1438472632;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1221631;1438472655;mircea_popescu;not a "solved problem" in my estimation, yet. future will decide.
1221632;1438472693;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221397 << it's provably the same thing lol.
1221633;1438472693;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 21:35:28; jurov: i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed
1221634;1438472701;mircea_popescu;the idea (correct, btw) was to pre-create a pool.
1221635;1438472710;mircea_popescu;this is kind-of unavoidable from a crypto security perspective.
1221636;1438472762;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: anvin's, for instance, is missing // interesting, did you notice any other key that has been pulled out ?
1221637;1438472767;*;shinohai * mircea_popescu has the chinese miners on his side
1221638;1438472785;mircea_popescu;he's been keeping closer tabs than me.
1221639;1438472827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221422 << yes. make a thing that dumps html
1221640;1438472827;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 21:40:14; shinohai: Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project?
1221641;1438472848;mircea_popescu;it'll teach you enough about how bitcoind sucks.
1221642;1438472875;shinohai;i know, i have to use php until I learn perl
1221643;1438472896;mircea_popescu;o.OP
1221644;1438472907;mircea_popescu;i can't conceive how this would be done in php.
1221645;1438472936;shinohai;I haz explore in php days away
1221646;1438472939;mircea_popescu;i was thinking you write it in c++, like the rest of the code, can be compiled as an addon
1221647;1438472958;mircea_popescu;but what specifically would php do ? i don't get it ?
1221648;1438472964;mircea_popescu;static html means no php needed or useful.
1221649;1438472974;mircea_popescu;also most people running it would probably not opt to run apache
1221650;1438472978;mircea_popescu;but some minimal webserver.
1221651;1438472979;shinohai;its dirty web studd, not meant to be perm
1221652;1438472981;trinque;you can use it like a template system... but... wai
1221653;1438472990;kakobrekla;if block explorer is to have any usability you imho need to expand db a lot.
1221654;1438473005;mircea_popescu;db-on-disk aka static html files.
1221655;1438473013;kakobrekla;O_o
1221656;1438473019;trinque;hm yeah seems like this should be bolted to dumpblock?
1221657;1438473035;trinque;not bolted, should make use thereof
1221658;1438473036;shinohai;yes trinque
1221659;1438473043;mircea_popescu;why do it on demand ? just dump out the "block explorer" material as you process the txn
1221660;1438473051;trinque;^ yeah
1221661;1438473052;kakobrekla;blockdumper != blockexplorer
1221662;1438473060;trinque;I know, saying where he can get the data
1221663;1438473066;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you wouldn't know the difference from the clicking side.
1221664;1438473076;kakobrekla;but you would.
1221665;1438473089;mircea_popescu;sure, it won't contain retarded "click here for value in dollars" dongles
1221666;1438473093;mircea_popescu;you don't want those.
1221667;1438473138;kakobrekla;bitcoind on its own gives you ability to do approx nothing. it cant tell me unspent output of an address unless that address is in the wallet (watch only suffices).
1221668;1438473146;mircea_popescu;but, accept a new tx ? add txhash.html in /tx/ dir.
1221669;1438473147;shinohai;no then you are unwittingly pegged, like a fat McWhore
1221670;1438473148;kakobrekla;only if you keep a seperete record
1221671;1438473156;kakobrekla;of all the things
1221672;1438473157;mircea_popescu;accept a new block ? add blockhash.html in /block/
1221673;1438473162;mircea_popescu;reorg a block ? modify its html
1221674;1438473163;mircea_popescu;etc
1221675;1438473188;kakobrekla;how is this better than just doing dump block in your shell
1221676;1438473191;mircea_popescu;at all points there's a purely injective function from blockchain to blockexplorer html pile
1221677;1438473202;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla cause some people wanna click on web things, what.
1221678;1438473211;mircea_popescu;how is anything better than irc and shell. they want the web.
1221679;1438473222;trinque;seems like looking for log messages in the code would be a decent way to find where to hook
1221680;1438473226;kakobrekla;i dont see any use in it, build what you want.
1221681;1438473237;trinque;cmon hypertext is pretty cool
1221682;1438473256;trinque;I hear it's getting big these days
1221683;1438473257;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i see the use of a block explorer website with 0 js on it.
1221684;1438473277;kakobrekla;you dont need js to bloxexplore on current blockexplorers
1221685;1438473287;mircea_popescu;and add a "guaranteed accurate by process" thing to it makes it wunderbar.
1221686;1438473314;mircea_popescu;also the fact that "any node can stand up a block explorer" is just the pill to sink the fucktarded "oh herp, we invested in bc.i" shitticon valley crap.
1221687;1438473326;kakobrekla;blockexplorer != blockdumper
1221688;1438473332;mircea_popescu;i enjoy making their investments worthless for purely political reasons. pederasts gotta learn.
1221689;1438473336;kakobrekla;keep messing up these things.
1221690;1438473345;shinohai;shit
1221691;1438473393;kakobrekla;blockdumper is unable to tell you how much spendables is on a given address.
1221692;1438473417;mircea_popescu;it can list them.
1221693;1438473426;mircea_popescu;i guess you need magic to add them, fine, whatevs.
1221694;1438473439;gernika;Is the pederast epithet a reference to older VCs getting kicks from paying a bunch of young hacker boys to hang out with them?
1221695;1438473490;trinque;lol this thing just uses various *print* functions to log
1221696;1438473501;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu> it can list them. < not trivially.
1221697;1438473569;mircea_popescu;gernika quite exactly. reference : http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#selection-273.0-281.82
1221698;1438473570;assbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhWTKQ )
1221699;1438473576;ben_vulpes;welcome, trinque
1221700;1438473581;trinque;ben_vulpes: it hurts!
1221701;1438473583;trinque;everything hurts!
1221702;1438473591;ben_vulpes;so stop doing it or stfu
1221703;1438473602;trinque;I shall do neither.
1221704;1438473605;kakobrekla;ftr, toshi (postgres) currently has 488 gb database for the 30 or so gigs of blockchain
1221705;1438473607;gernika;mircea_popescu Interesting.  That's one thing you and Michael O. Church agree on.
1221706;1438473612;ben_vulpes;'twas a joke, joke only.
1221707;1438473618;trinque;I know I know
1221708;1438473622;mircea_popescu;gernika the difference being that he's poor.
1221709;1438473627;kakobrekla;theres a reason for that.
1221710;1438473628;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: ever run an 'abe'?
1221711;1438473641;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla there maybe is or maybe is not.
1221712;1438473642;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes sure, and a bunch of other explorers.
1221713;1438473657;kakobrekla;some, not public.
1221714;1438473669;ben_vulpes;which to avoid, which are not miserable?
1221715;1438473671;mircea_popescu;having someone from here try it is still a great thing.
1221716;1438473678;kakobrekla;they are all miserable.
1221717;1438473688;ben_vulpes;o well then
1221718;1438473691;trinque;I'll say writing deedbot- was highly instructive.
1221719;1438473696;kakobrekla;but yeah stay away from abe
1221720;1438473701;trinque;shinohai: ^^
1221721;1438473707;ben_vulpes;why is abe so bad?
1221722;1438473717;kakobrekla;last i checked, years ago, that was a piece of spaghetti pythons that broke weekly
1221723;1438473727;ben_vulpes;aside from "can't serve while indexing lol"?
1221724;1438473774;shinohai;abe sucks, i'd rather rebuild bitpay insight -css
1221725;1438473776;*;ben_vulpes kicked off its indexer this morning
1221726;1438473791;ben_vulpes;ah jesus insight is a shitshow that much i know from pissing on the fence in question
1221727;1438473852;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: 'toshi' creates its db from a rails schema iirc, no surprise that it's 10x blockchain size
1221728;1438473863;ben_vulpes;but transaction indexing etc should take *that* much space...
1221729;1438473864;shinohai;then i have no framework
1221730;1438473874;kakobrekla;ben_vulpes others arent that much smaller
1221731;1438473880;shinohai;besies bitcoind output
1221732;1438473927;gernika;mod6 asciilifeform fyi I just successfully built stator bitcoind on top of rotor.  Gentoo inside Parallels.  Needed trinque's patch.
1221733;1438473929;kakobrekla;blockr was something like 200-300 gigs iirc
1221734;1438473943;ben_vulpes;wow.
1221735;1438473956;mircea_popescu;blocker's in past tense now ?
1221736;1438473971;ben_vulpes;whence the extra data? most of the relationships should live in foreign keys.
1221737;1438473974;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, there's a reason i keep saying plain html and db on disk and stuff
1221738;1438473979;kakobrekla;sort of.
1221739;1438473983;*;ben_vulpes off for a bit
1221740;1438473985;mircea_popescu;exactly to piss on the face of all the "developer" kids with "ideas"
1221741;1438474020;kakobrekla; plain html and db on disk and stuff < yes we want another duplicate of useless stuff stored in blockchain files
1221742;1438474029;shinohai;You shouldn't trust developers tis true
1221743;1438474030;mircea_popescu;yes. we do.
1221744;1438474040;mircea_popescu;to replace the useless duplicate of all the shit in a ruby install.
1221745;1438474054;trinque;the vast majority of websites out there should be this
1221746;1438474056;mircea_popescu;if disks are gonna fill with rubbish, i want it to be my meaningless rubbish, not theirs.
1221747;1438474059;shinohai;ruby is just as useless as java
1221748;1438474060;trinque;how often do you publish vs read
1221749;1438474085;mircea_popescu;trinque ill confess about quarterly i get an itch to convert trilema
1221750;1438474098;trinque;people "MVC", then it's memcached this and redis that
1221751;1438474103;trinque;mircea_popescu: I bet, perfect example
1221752;1438474230;mircea_popescu;re that "academic" link earlier : wtf is WRONG with these people. i can not see a date onthe page.
1221753;1438474240;mircea_popescu;what is the point of even fucking existing if one's going to be this dumb ?
1221754;1438474251;mircea_popescu;what, they've not invented dating in their culture ? what is this, polinesia online ?
1221755;1438474257;kakobrekla;i dont see why save all html files beforehand if you can just dumpblock on the fly, its a stupid operations it gets done fast.
1221756;1438474260;mircea_popescu;fucking sumerians had it, it's not even european.
1221757;1438474306;kakobrekla;its not like you are querying for abalance of an address.
1221758;1438474363;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you know nothing prevents you from doing even the balance, in plain html.
1221759;1438474400;mircea_popescu;suppose you accept a new block. now you do 1) list it in /blocks/ ; 2) iterate over all the txn it includes, list them in /txn/ ; 3) iterate over all addresses included, add and substract from /addresses/address.html
1221760;1438474402;mircea_popescu;presto.
1221761;1438474404;kakobrekla;well you will end up with 100gigs+ db or so. or unusably slow.
1221762;1438474427;mircea_popescu;you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs)
1221763;1438474509;mircea_popescu;(or larger, of course - html mark-up. but anyway)
1221764;1438474519;kakobrekla;keeping all the balance for all the addresses wont be that small.
1221765;1438474543;mircea_popescu;the balance of any address is a longint.
1221766;1438474575;kakobrekla;number of tx * avg number of in/outputs = ?
1221767;1438474630;mircea_popescu;you can trivially opt to "only list txn over X".
1221768;1438474634;mircea_popescu;update the balance, but not list the txn.
1221769;1438474705;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221499 << what "her" fucking choice ? since when it's her choice, have we EVER even seen a documented case of a female attacker ?
1221770;1438474705;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 22:21:53; punkman: " the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus"
1221771;1438475126;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, maybe because in crypto the attacker is usually called Eve
1221772;1438475144;mircea_popescu;unflattering as that may be
1221773;1438475160;mircea_popescu;eve's like one of maybe five people in the jewish cannon i'd consider hanging with
1221774;1438475183;Apocalyptic;(stems from "eavesdropping")
1221775;1438475412;gernika;mod6 Built v0.5.4-TEST2 with rotor but can't run it on the system I built it on because: "-bash: ./bitcoind: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error."  This is on gentoo built from stage3-i486-20150728.tar.bz2
1221776;1438475520;trinque;gernika: anything interesting from dumpelf on the file?
1221777;1438475554;gernika;trinque: Don't think so: ./bitcoind:     file format elf64-x86-64
1221778;1438475586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00050864 = 13.2246 BTC [+]
1221779;1438475592;gernika;Not sure if I accidentally built a 32 bit gentoo or what...
1221780;1438475671;gernika;objdump: ./bitcoind: not a dynamic object
1221781;1438475671;mircea_popescu;it says it's 64
1221782;1438475686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you see any problem with me thinking https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ is basically retarded ?
1221783;1438475915;gernika;Well shit.  Somehow I built 64 bit binaries on a 32 bit install of gentoo.
1221784;1438475940;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221623 << I made a point of hunting 1990's keys from universities to feed the Phuctor. Many were of short length. I though maybe they'd fall first and prime the beast, but...
1221785;1438475940;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 23:40:28; mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ?
1221786;1438475962;mircea_popescu;gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ?
1221787;1438475990;gernika;mircea_popescu Yeah I did.
1221788;1438475997;gernika;Looks like
1221789;1438475999;mircea_popescu;grats, i guess ? o.O
1221790;1438476017;gernika;I guess I get to get more practice installing gentoo :)
1221791;1438476026;mircea_popescu;you could just rebuild for your platform.
1221792;1438476037;mircea_popescu;very few people still use 32bit, might be interesting test case.
1221793;1438476046;gernika;I'll give that a shot
1221794;1438476051;mircea_popescu;i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms
1221795;1438476075;trinque;gernika: there are knobs in buildroot for that
1221796;1438476088;trinque;and also in rotor.sh, every mention of 64 must change
1221797;1438476128;mircea_popescu;"Note: I am well aware that dynamic documents are a huge, gaping, ugly hole in the digital imprimatur scheme. I have not expended a great deal of effort thinking about ways to better secure such documents; I'm sure this issue will be explored in detail"
1221798;1438476162;mircea_popescu;aka "note : my idiocy falls apart at hte most cursory examination, but i am the sort of dumb schmuck that aims to insulate himself from this by waving hands and weaving words, rather than a thninking person"
1221799;1438476166;mircea_popescu;meh.
1221800;1438476208;mircea_popescu;and before anyone wants to tell me the author has five concubines gifted by from cornell west and is widely respected by robed pamplonocrats or w/e : i dun give a shit kthx.
1221801;1438477407;TheNewDeal;if anyone is interested in taking the no side on this https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/ . leave me a note and perhaps we can strike a deal
1221802;1438477409;assbot;BitBet - BTC to top $350 before September :: 23.71 B (30%) on Yes, 54.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 21`395 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcNWRU )
1221803;1438477420;TheNewDeal;a new deal of sorts
1221804;1438477672;TheNewDeal;I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
1221805;1438478575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40015 @ 0.00051334 = 20.5413 BTC [+] {3} 
1221806;1438479033;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221782 << my brain pulls its frequent trick; i distinctly recalled there being a point in that thing
1221807;1438479033;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:34:46; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you see any problem with me thinking https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ is basically retarded ?
1221808;1438479055;asciilifeform;(which was, that www makes things very easy for the censor, much easier at any rate than rounding up 10,000 books to burn)
1221809;1438479071;asciilifeform;but it is buried in a pile of fuck-knows-what, yes
1221810;1438479080;asciilifeform;(it got garbage-collected in my memory)
1221811;1438479110;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221786 << no it is not 'a wonder' - it will build on a z80!!! cross-compiler, remember ?
1221812;1438479110;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:39:22; mircea_popescu: gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ?
1221813;1438479120;asciilifeform;multilib not relevant!
1221814;1438479134;asciilifeform;'rotor' makes use of nothing other than the libs we include
1221815;1438479197;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221769 << other than the polish chick (joana rutkowska [sp?]) - not known to me
1221816;1438479197;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:18:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221499 << what "her" fucking choice ? since when it's her choice, have we EVER even seen a documented case of a female attacker ?
1221817;1438479226;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221792 << as easy as setting up for 'arm' build, etc. change the knob.
1221818;1438479226;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:37; mircea_popescu: very few people still use 32bit, might be interesting test case.
1221819;1438479233;asciilifeform;get x86-32, mips, cray, whatever.
1221820;1438479255;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221794 << danielpbarron's pogo, possibly
1221821;1438479255;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:51; mircea_popescu: i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms
1221822;1438479265;asciilifeform;(pogo is an arm32)
1221823;1438479337;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221762 << store'em compressed
1221824;1438479337;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:13:47; mircea_popescu: you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs)
1221825;1438479338;scoopbot_revived;Scottish Bank, Police & Court Harass Bitcoin Trader, Conspire To Steal His Cash http://qntra.net/2015/08/scottish-bank-police-court-harass-bitcoin-trader-conspire-to-steal-his-cash/
1221826;1438479413;asciilifeform;'The cash was seized, pending an inquiry that was hampered by the individual�s initial refusal to provide any information about its source. Once the investigation was complete and no basis for forfeiting the cash had been established, it was handed back.' << ahahahaha
1221827;1438479418;asciilifeform;'handed back'
1221828;1438479424;asciilifeform;just by asking nicely, aha
1221829;1438479434;asciilifeform;no mention of legal fees, having to sit broke for months, etc
1221830;1438479440;asciilifeform;and 'hampered by refusal'
1221831;1438479742;asciilifeform;http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955572/italian-police-shutter-dark-web-marketplace.html << l0lz
1221832;1438479744;assbot;Italian police shutter Dark Web marketplace | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1N16dmg )
1221833;1438479953;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 interestingly, incitatus synced and stayed synced today
1221834;1438479953;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1221835;1438479959;asciilifeform;i'll leave it up, for now.
1221836;1438480021;asciilifeform;dulap appears to have fallen into an nsa silent hole again...
1221837;1438480034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you still getting ^this on your nodes ?
1221838;1438480482;decimation;asciilifeform: doesn't it seem more likely that there's something fucktarded about the sync code?
1221839;1438481404;asciilifeform;decimation: no.
1221840;1438481415;asciilifeform;decimation: i 'wiresharked' many hours of this.
1221841;1438481445;asciilifeform;it is precisely as if someone were snipping out just the packets with useful payload, while leaving enough in place to leave the connection open.
1221842;1438481478;asciilifeform;it also ~never~ happens between directly-connected nodes on my lan, for example.
1221843;1438483638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00050402 = 13.7597 BTC [-]
1221844;1438483939;ben_vulpes;<BingoBoingo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221623 << I made a point of hunting 1990's keys from universities to feed the Phuctor. Many were of short length. I though maybe they'd fall first and prime the beast, but... << bb you're awesome
1221845;1438483939;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 23:40:28; mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ?
1221846;1438483975;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> grats, i guess ? o.O << hyuuuuahahaha
1221847;1438484085;ben_vulpes;<TheNewDeal> a new deal of sorts << i will give you points for this even if nobody else will
1221848;1438484771;ben_vulpes;http://developersdevelope.rs/
1221849;1438484771;assbot;Developers Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1SSaIBo )
1221850;1438485792;scoopbot_revived;Australian Faces 88 Charges Related To Darknet Child Pornography Sites http://qntra.net/2015/08/australian-faces-88-charges-related-to-darknet-child-pornography-sites/
1221851;1438486402;decimation;http://www.techspot.com/article/1039-ten-years-intel-cpu-compared/page7.html < moore's law sample point "
1221852;1438486403;assbot;Then and Now: Almost 10 Years of Intel CPUs Compared > Summing Up: Up to 11 Times the Performance - TechSpot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCPRlE )
1221853;1438486405;decimation;The 4690K is just 32% faster than the 760 in Excel, 25% faster in 7-Zip and just 17% on average when comparing gaming performance."
1221854;1438486464;decimation;granted, there are measurements that show more improvement, but 4 years and 45-22nm buys you as little as 17% improvement
1221855;1438487455;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: pgp.mit.edu was a gold mine for academic keys they may not have made the transition to sks. I retrieved manually though by schoool.
1221856;1438487507;decimation;http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/31/weak-recovery-makes-for-wage-winners-and-losers.html " That's why many economists are scratching their heads after the latest quarterly data Friday showed that overall compensation in the three months ending in June inched up at the slowest pace since 1982. "
1221857;1438487509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCRu2Y )
1221858;1438488170;decimation;http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Aspen-Colorado/ "Average price per square foot for Aspen CO was $909, an increase of 23% compared to the same period last year."
1221859;1438488225;decimation;http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/11968-Southampton/ "Average price per square foot for homes in 11968 was $1,010, an increase of 81.7% compared to the same period last year. "
1221860;1438488701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00051961 = 18.2383 BTC [+] {4} 
1221861;1438488864;decimation;http://woodbury-house.com/the-contemporary-art-market-trends-january-2015/ "Over the last ten years, the Art market has grown from $22bn in 2003 to $56,1bn in 2013. All in all, what will be probably reminded from 2014, are the astronics turnovers realized by Sotheby’s and Christie’s on Contemporary art auction in 2014."
1221862;1438488867;assbot;Woodbury House Gallery | The Contemporary Art Market Trends - January 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCToAr )
1221863;1438489002;BingoBoingo;This might be interesting workstation board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182957
1221864;1438489005;assbot;SUPERMICRO MBD-H9SKV-420 Mini ITX Server Motherboard BGA 769 (FT3) AMD G-series SOC DDR3 1600 - Newegg.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCTBnt )
1221865;1438489033;decimation;no ecc?
1221866;1438489066;BingoBoingo;Damn, chip supposedly supports it, board doesn't
1221867;1438489369;cazalla;BingoBoingo, why not dual nvdia titans for eulora?!
1221868;1438489419;BingoBoingo;I'll prolly just wait for Eulora emacs edition. There's no source package floating around for cg toolkit so it won't openBSD unless I rip it out.
1221869;1438489428;cazalla;or maybe a VR system like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR-lxPhGunU
1221870;1438489429;assbot;The Future - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCUix0 )
1221871;1438490591;*;BingoBoingo put a bitcent against rousey tonight on a shitbook for the lulz
1221872;1438490716;decimation;http://worldif.economist.com/article/8/what-if-the-panama-canal-gets-a-rival-trench-warfare-in-nicaragua "After all, what wouldn’t China pay to see one of its naval fleets one day emerging from the Central American jungle right under America’s nose?"
1221873;1438490717;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgLQhG )
1221874;1438490824;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ufc-rousey-correia-20150801-story.html << damn correia's eyes alone make me want to see this fight
1221875;1438490825;assbot;Bethe Correia vows to take fight to Ronda Rousey in UFC title match - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgM48i )
1221876;1438490840;trinque;also, that's a pretty reasonable vow
1221877;1438490869;BingoBoingo;trinque: I'm not watching if I hear it is interesting may acquire later. Otherwise, just liked the odds
1221878;1438491080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45534 @ 0.00050402 = 22.95 BTC [-] {2} 
1221879;1438491120;decimation;BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fe92x/im_ashley_barr_aka_adam_turner_the_first_mtgox/ < might be good for some lulz
1221880;1438491122;assbot;I'm Ashley Barr, A.K.A "Adam Turner", the first Mt.Gox employee, and alleged DPR (:/). AMA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCWSDf )
1221881;1438491414;BingoBoingo;decimation: I've been following it a bit, but I dunno how much to trust the source
1221882;1438491503;BingoBoingo;By source I mean a long dead account on a social media site desperate for interactions
1221883;1438491581;decimation;yeah, I would take with a big cube of salt
1221884;1438491773;BingoBoingo;I just remember when the satosi@gmx.com email address was "revived"
1221885;1438492374;BingoBoingo;!up a3voices
1221886;1438492379;BingoBoingo;Hello a3voices
1221887;1438492387;a3voices;hi
1221888;1438492413;BingoBoingo;What bring you around these parts?
1221889;1438492431;a3voices;nothing specific, just looking for good channels
1221890;1438492448;BingoBoingo;cool
1221891;1438492468;BingoBoingo;If you want to keep voice prolly best to register with assbot
1221892;1438492470;BingoBoingo;!h
1221893;1438492470;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1221894;1438493093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38632 @ 0.00050402 = 19.4713 BTC [-]
1221895;1438493172;a3voices;cool well now I have a pgp key for the first time
1221896;1438493366;BingoBoingo;Which version did you use roughly?
1221897;1438493393;cazalla;if ya ever wanted to know what australian welfare recipients were like, this is pretty spot on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96drQkfpPI
1221898;1438493394;assbot;Damo and Darren 3 - 'Centrelink' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgODXZ )
1221899;1438493418;a3voices;gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.13
1221900;1438493458;BingoBoingo;good a3voices
1221901;1438493461;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1221902;1438493749;BingoBoingo;So, since everyone is apparently looking at db behavior in BTC now... A few hours ago I reset my BIOS clock back a full day. Rightly It refused to acknowledge blocks more than two hours into the future. Then I reset clock to be right. Client refused to correct itself all at once. However many block it scooped up in the verifying databases phase seems to be as far as it got before permawedgeing. Killing and restating fixed issue. B
1221903;1438493750;BingoBoingo;ehavior was on 0.7.whyamIdoingthis and I lack any idea for making a better report. Also vodka. This is definitely an edgecase. Killing and restarting Bitcoin until verify database phase of startup ate all blocks on disk seems to have remedied issue.
1221904;1438493758;BingoBoingo;!Up shovel_boss_
1221905;1438493835;BingoBoingo;Thing is at 368044 nao reports fully sync'd
1221906;1438493947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00050377 = 17.7831 BTC [-] {6} 
1221907;1438494051;BingoBoingo;Test was not a planned test. Popped hard drive with weirdOS in laptop and it fucked BIOS clock.
1221908;1438494077;BingoBoingo;No idea of impact on TheRealBitcoin if any
1221909;1438494335;BingoBoingo;!up a3voices
1221910;1438494984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.0005037 = 19.7702 BTC [-]
1221911;1438495228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27048 @ 0.00052254 = 14.1337 BTC [+] {3} 
1221912;1438495289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4181 @ 0.00052255 = 2.1848 BTC [+]
1221913;1438495960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00052628 = 15.1832 BTC [+] {3} 
1221914;1438497363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0005379 = 9.3057 BTC [+] {3} 
1221915;1438499442;cazalla;BingoBoingo, did ya bet for or against rousey?
1221916;1438499474;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Against, but just a Bitcent, learning moderation
1221917;1438499497;cazalla;was rousey fav?
1221918;1438499799;BingoBoingo;By more than 10x
1221919;1438502430;gernika;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221791 << Built it.  It runs and syncs.
1221920;1438502430;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:26; mircea_popescu: you could just rebuild for your platform.
1221921;1438502431;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1221922;1438502671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20097 @ 0.00053394 = 10.7306 BTC [-]
1221923;1438508405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12459 @ 0.00051591 = 6.4277 BTC [-] {4} 
1221924;1438508893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00053705 = 5.0483 BTC [+]
1221925;1438512187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00054019 = 15.9356 BTC [+] {5} 
1221926;1438514448;scoopbot_revived;F.MPIF July 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/08/02/F.MPIF-July-2015-trading-statement
1221927;1438516328;fluffypony;lol davout
1221928;1438516334;fluffypony;reddit hates your comments :-P
1221929;1438516579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00054054 = 10.3513 BTC [+]
1221930;1438517738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00054585 = 20.4967 BTC [+] {5} 
1221931;1438519263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00052824 = 7.1312 BTC [-]
1221932;1438519639;chetty;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/11777486/Executive-arrested-over-disappearance-of-390-million-in-Bitcoins.html
1221933;1438519640;assbot;Executive arrested over disappearance of $390 million in Bitcoins - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1fWcG6Y )
1221934;1438521520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10220 @ 0.0005282 = 5.3982 BTC [-] {5} 
1221935;1438521581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11144 @ 0.00051459 = 5.7346 BTC [-] {2} 
1221936;1438523960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18566 @ 0.00050924 = 9.4545 BTC [-] {5} 
1221937;1438524216;mircea_popescu;gernika wd.
1221938;1438524643;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221808 << ok, but the broad point is still "technology makes it easier". sure. to what ? to whatever. sure.
1221939;1438524643;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 01:30:55; asciilifeform: (which was, that www makes things very easy for the censor, much easier at any rate than rounding up 10,000 books to burn)
1221940;1438524685;mircea_popescu;is it easier for censor to censor documents if documents are deliberately created in easy to censor ways ? sure.
1221941;1438524699;mircea_popescu;is it easier for anti-censor to create documents in formats not easy to censor ? sure.
1221942;1438524700;mircea_popescu;etc.
1221943;1438524745;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221813 << how is a 32 bit machine going to build for another platform if one doesn't deliberately put the "build for other platforms" code in there!
1221944;1438524745;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 01:32:00; asciilifeform: multilib not relevant!
1221945;1438524765;mircea_popescu;obviously c will compile for anything. but not by itself!
1221946;1438524894;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221837 << on and off.
1221947;1438524894;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 01:47:14; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you still getting ^this on your nodes ?
1221948;1438525239;ben_vulpes;phf: http://paste.lisp.org/display/152826 << nifty!
1221949;1438525239;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxKwpO )
1221950;1438525272;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221842 << exactly. the behaviour itself can not be reproduced over lans.
1221951;1438525272;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 02:11:18; asciilifeform: it also ~never~ happens between directly-connected nodes on my lan, for example.
1221952;1438525388;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221858 << how the fuck does this work, 1k per sqft omfg.
1221953;1438525388;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 04:02:50; decimation: http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Aspen-Colorado/ "Average price per square foot for Aspen CO was $909, an increase of 23% compared to the same period last year."
1221954;1438525415;mircea_popescu;euro housing costs ~1-2 keuro per sqmp! that's a fucking degree of magnitude.
1221955;1438525485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00054026 = 22.0426 BTC [+] {3} 
1221956;1438525518;ben_vulpes;http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/portland-oregon
1221957;1438525523;ben_vulpes;ehuhueeuhe
1221958;1438525527;ben_vulpes;gaze ye and weep
1221959;1438525613;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why anyone would do this.
1221960;1438525632;mircea_popescu;i point and laugh at the locals six digit price delusions for real estate in the dead centre of ba.
1221961;1438525851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00052554 = 10.5371 BTC [-]
1221962;1438525912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00054773 = 13.6385 BTC [+] {3} 
1221963;1438526550;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i just looked at online.net. nowhere does it advertise hosting illegal content. i'm not giving them any money.
1221964;1438526579;kakobrekla;hosting illegal content?
1221965;1438526582;mircea_popescu;to qualify for any payments, a host must prominently advertise hosting illegal content.
1221966;1438526583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00055022 = 5.5847 BTC [+]
1221967;1438526583;mircea_popescu;yep.
1221968;1438526590;mircea_popescu;i will not give money to derps who follow usg.
1221969;1438526604;kakobrekla;where does phoenixnap do that pls show
1221970;1438526623;mircea_popescu;you understand how grandfathering works right ?
1221971;1438526652;mircea_popescu;in any case : i will not pay any isp that fails to advertise ignoring "law".
1221972;1438526656;kakobrekla;you are worried about dmca?
1221973;1438526671;kakobrekla;i dont see phoenixnap doing it, so whatevs.
1221974;1438526678;mircea_popescu;i am worried about living in a world which contains isps that follow "law"
1221975;1438526803;mircea_popescu;and yes, it's a difficult principle to apply uniformly, and yes i don't universally managing atm. nevertheless, i'm not taking stuff back to the dumbass world. and yes i think it'd be just grand if everyone follows it wherever possible.
1221976;1438526818;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125737 < funny.
1221977;1438526818;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 21:46:38; asciilifeform: i guess my red-hot doug lenat k001 w4r3z stays on kako's box, l0l
1221978;1438526849;mircea_popescu;it's purely a pr thing. got to get people used to the idea that they MUST say they despise the usg.
1221979;1438526869;mircea_popescu;to get paid.
1221980;1438526891;mircea_popescu;none of this "people agree, rule of law, bla bla" nonsense any more.
1221981;1438526908;kakobrekla;this is all based on nothing.
1221982;1438526912;mircea_popescu;people happen to agree alright, it's just the other way.
1221983;1438526937;kakobrekla;dont worry, you can say its just too much css.
1221984;1438526942;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you're a nihilist. everything's ultimately based on nothing as fatr as you're concerned, if you're willing to take the time and look.
1221985;1438527329;chetty;<mircea_popescu> it's purely a pr thing. got to get people used to the idea that they MUST say they despise the usg.// just the usg? lots of other places seem equally worthy of it
1221986;1438527344;mircea_popescu;nah, generally speaking.
1221987;1438527359;mircea_popescu;gotta get back to the good old 80s "if you follow the law you're unfuckable, an idiot and get lost"
1221988;1438527366;mircea_popescu;it's after all how the soviets ended.
1221989;1438527671;mircea_popescu;lulz of today : if one googles for bulletproof hosting stuff in the last month, the first 5 results are this dumbass trendmicro "report", and the rest references to it. like : "A new report from TrendLabs -- the research arm of security company Trend Micro -- uncovers the existence of what it calls 'Bulletproof Hosting Services' (BPHSs) which provide"
1221990;1438527679;mircea_popescu;fancy that, trendmicro discovered the hole in the donut!
1221991;1438528390;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> obviously c will compile for anything. but not by itself! << my point was that i put a complete kit in there. that will build x86_64 on whatever you like, x86-32, cray, pdp11.
1221992;1438528403;mircea_popescu;o i c
1221993;1438528624;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fortunately there is wildlife that lives on usg-free net, whose turds one can follow to find the forest. i speak, of course, of crapware artists and sp4mz0rz
1221994;1438528646;mircea_popescu;of course.
1221995;1438528652;mircea_popescu;but forget the discreet bs.
1221996;1438528656;mircea_popescu;mainstream all the things.
1221997;1438528665;asciilifeform;100% mainstream in ru
1221998;1438528678;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1221999;1438528692;mircea_popescu;100% mainstream anywhere outside of "my mother had me with a retard" land.
1222000;1438529005;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, incitatus still synced (along with the other two)
1222001;1438529043;asciilifeform;from a closer look, it appears to have been running into swap earlier
1222002;1438529077;asciilifeform;what is really needed is moar s00p3rn0d3 l1f3styl3!!! nodez
1222003;1438529089;asciilifeform;like dulap
1222004;1438529154;asciilifeform;though, strangely enough, the best-performing (e.g., fewest 'black hole' issues) node in my fleet thus far has been 'zoolag', which is sitting under my desk, on residential fiber
1222005;1438529197;asciilifeform;50 connections, presently (dulap - 40; incitatus - 32)
1222006;1438529291;mircea_popescu;how long it's been on is the largest factor for that metric.
1222007;1438529303;asciilifeform;not only
1222008;1438529319;asciilifeform;but the 'black hole' effect, also.
1222009;1438529341;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fi92w/how_important_are_individual_full_nodes_and_how << check out the philippinos
1222010;1438529343;assbot;How important are individual full nodes, and how much does it benefit the network per individual? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2oyu2 )
1222011;1438529353;asciilifeform;apparently - still in business
1222012;1438529356;mircea_popescu;doh.
1222013;1438530085;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0526 << interestingly, these appear to be dead code. what were they meant for ?
1222014;1438530087;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDYpY1 )
1222015;1438530131;asciilifeform;trinque's gcov paint these a very deep red (0 runs)
1222016;1438530149;asciilifeform;and indeed, i see no graph path to them
1222017;1438530169;asciilifeform;speaking of which, anyone ever get solrodar's graph into a readable form ?
1222018;1438530388;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did iirc, via gimp
1222019;1438530411;ben_vulpes;but i never did.
1222020;1438530427;mircea_popescu;yea.
1222021;1438530440;asciilifeform;if it was what i saw, that wasn't readable !
1222022;1438530451;asciilifeform;fucking ball of yarn
1222023;1438530454;mircea_popescu;...
1222024;1438530462;mircea_popescu;how would i decide that if.
1222025;1438530500;asciilifeform;well i just gave an example. can you tell from that picture whether it is theoretically possible for the 'subscription' routines to be called?
1222026;1438530501;ben_vulpes;readable, renderable...
1222027;1438530505;trinque;asciilifeform: that thing's a bit jacked
1222028;1438530514;trinque;split the results between the build dirs and the ourlibs dir
1222029;1438530514;*;asciilifeform used grep to answer the question, unambiguous 'no'
1222030;1438530542;trinque;I'm going to give that thing a few more shoves today and see if I can get it all in one tree
1222031;1438530560;asciilifeform;trinque: gcov is useful but doesn't prove code to be alive or dead, can only suggest
1222032;1438530574;asciilifeform;(wallet, for instance, would look entirely 'dead' on a gcov run where such was not used)
1222033;1438530585;ben_vulpes;i don't see any usage of anysubscribed at least, asciilifeform
1222034;1438530587;trinque;yep, makes sense
1222035;1438530658;asciilifeform;the place i'm trying to go with this is: dead code ought not be in The Book, except - in the one and only case where it pre-dates gavin et al, it could be shoved into an appendix
1222036;1438530668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's keep it simple. have you loaded the svg in gimp and examined the picture painted.
1222037;1438530682;asciilifeform;link to latest version of this?
1222038;1438530709;mircea_popescu;i don't have one. lesee
1222039;1438530716;mircea_popescu;!s from:mircea gimp
1222040;1438530718;assbot;8 results for 'from:mircea gimp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+gimp
1222041;1438530736;asciilifeform;http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph ?
1222042;1438530737;assbot;Index of /bitcoin/callgraph/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDZBuh )
1222043;1438530753;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/bitcoin-dot.svg
1222044;1438530757;assbot;Call graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDZFds )
1222045;1438530805;asciilifeform;yeah that was what i saw
1222046;1438530863;asciilifeform;incidentally, it is worthless if flattened into a bitmap
1222047;1438530872;asciilifeform;gotta be viewed in a graphical www browser, so you can search
1222048;1438530910;trinque;http://getspringy.com/demo.html
1222049;1438530911;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDZVZX )
1222050;1438530926;asciilifeform;and, after you do this, aside from the nightmare of intersecting lines and bubbles light-years away from their ~only~ antecedent, etc,
1222051;1438530937;trinque;would be nice to grab a node and shake
1222052;1438530970;asciilifeform;you will see things like: 'CNode :: PushVersion' is connected! to whom?? to 'CNode :: CNode'.
1222053;1438530978;trinque;http://marvl.infotech.monash.edu/webcola/ << also looks neat
1222054;1438530981;assbot;cola.js: Constraint-based Layout in the Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE0141 )
1222055;1438530997;asciilifeform;this conveys ~zero~ useful information. in particular, the fact that 'CNode :: PushVersion' is a deadcode island is no longer visually apparent.
1222056;1438531016;trinque;http://marvl.infotech.monash.edu/webcola/examples/browsemovies.html << in particular
1222057;1438531017;assbot;Incremental exploration of a large graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE03c9 )
1222058;1438531046;asciilifeform;the above observation is not a criticism of solrodar's work, but of the catastrophically inadequate existing tooling
1222059;1438531170;mircea_popescu;mkay. well....
1222060;1438531187;trinque;so... what about those JS things
1222061;1438531196;asciilifeform;trinque: the 'springy' thing is quite like the molecular strain sims i've used
1222062;1438531214;asciilifeform;except there is no reason to make it a clicking and dragging game
1222063;1438531237;trinque;yeah, best to just have some layout algo make it readable
1222064;1438531248;asciilifeform;can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract
1222065;1438531250;trinque;clicking collapsed nodes to expand might be helpful
1222066;1438531251;asciilifeform;then simulated-anneal.
1222067;1438531255;trinque;yeah
1222068;1438531277;asciilifeform;at any rate, i originally wanted this as a wall poster
1222069;1438531288;asciilifeform;so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search
1222070;1438531296;trinque;http://marvl.infotech.monash.edu/webcola/examples/dotpowergraph.html
1222071;1438531297;assbot;Grid Layout ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiecpW )
1222072;1438531302;trinque;that helps my eyes a bit
1222073;1438531312;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too)
1222074;1438531313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HieixP )
1222075;1438531313;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1222076;1438531314;trinque;would need a legend or bigger boxes
1222077;1438531319;asciilifeform;ew
1222078;1438531331;asciilifeform;'help the mouse find the cheese'
1222079;1438531333;asciilifeform;no thx
1222080;1438531341;trinque;lol
1222081;1438531416;asciilifeform;the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership
1222082;1438531435;asciilifeform;the latter is ~entirely irrelevant~ to a call graph!
1222083;1438531488;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fggjj/someone_has_broadcast_a_transaction_with_20000/
1222084;1438531489;assbot;Someone has broadcast a transaction with 20,000 inputs! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE0PG5 )
1222085;1438531687;asciilifeform;why the fuck are 0-valued outputs spendable !?
1222086;1438531715;asciilifeform;(or even valid in a block)
1222087;1438531806;asciilifeform;https://www.f2pool.com/pushtx << interesting
1222088;1438531822;punkman;plenty of pages like that
1222089;1438531877;punkman;https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/pushtx
1222090;1438531878;assbot;pankkake / pushtx   — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hig6XM )
1222091;1438531915;asciilifeform;punkman: the linked page is connected to a live pool. and demands password (presumably subscriptions are sold?)
1222092;1438531927;asciilifeform;reminiscent of what mircea_popescu suggested, but with moar duct tape and chicken wire
1222093;1438532018;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222073 << this is seriously, deeply 'un-lispy' code. it explicitly reads fields!!! what you oughta do is define the 'message' structure in the most minimal way you can think of, and then write a routine that snarfs any structure defined that way, whatever it may be.
1222094;1438532018;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 16:01:52; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too)
1222095;1438532065;ben_vulpes;well how'd i know without putting myself up for the cane
1222096;1438532076;asciilifeform;then you will have a jewel in your toolbox that you can use 20 years from now
1222097;1438532080;asciilifeform;as it is, you have... perl.
1222098;1438532124;asciilifeform;http://www.cliki.net/binary-types << most famous example
1222099;1438532125;assbot;CLiki: Binary-types ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE26g9 )
1222100;1438532151;ben_vulpes;this has come up before, and i had forgotten.
1222101;1438532153;asciilifeform;https://github.com/frodef/binary-types << mirror
1222102;1438532154;assbot;frodef/binary-types · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE28om )
1222103;1438532170;asciilifeform;and yes, it seems like 50x more work, at first glance
1222104;1438532172;asciilifeform;because... it is.
1222105;1438532198;asciilifeform;but the whole point of a computer is that you do the 50, so you don't have to do the 50,000 over next 20 years.
1222106;1438532238;asciilifeform;re: binary-types, see esp. the mirror link, for example
1222107;1438532249;asciilifeform;it has definition of 'elf' (unix executable) format parser
1222108;1438532276;ben_vulpes;am reading, yes
1222109;1438532368;trinque;hm yeah, that's much cooler; it's a lot like you'd describe a grammar for a parser generator
1222110;1438532378;trinque;well fuck, it is that
1222111;1438532380;trinque;lol
1222112;1438532382;*;trinque finds coffee
1222113;1438532503;ben_vulpes;(but ascii - i /can/ mutate in place, therefore i /must/!)
1222114;1438532527;asciilifeform;wai wat
1222115;1438532554;ben_vulpes;just a joke
1222116;1438532563;ben_vulpes;"we can, therefore we must"
1222117;1438532565;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html << obligatory
1222118;1438532566;assbot;Re: two questions about strings - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE2ZW8 )
1222119;1438532592;asciilifeform;(mainly last paragraph)
1222120;1438532644;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com
1222121;1438532648;gribble;trilema.com is down
1222122;1438532669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1222123;1438532688;mircea_popescu;aha.
1222124;1438532701;mircea_popescu;shoulda read it yesterday, what is this.
1222125;1438532709;mircea_popescu;you read when you feel like ?!?!?!
1222126;1438532711;asciilifeform;prolly more of the usual
1222127;1438532758;punkman;every ;;isup trilema.com feeds the troll
1222128;1438532775;asciilifeform;the troll lives on sunshine
1222129;1438532786;asciilifeform;and big fat duffels of benjie from usg
1222130;1438532790;mircea_popescu;lol
1222131;1438532807;mircea_popescu;srsly, there;s nothing new there as opposed to yest.
1222132;1438532830;trinque;"Common Lisp is a big-city language.  Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two." << wahahaha
1222133;1438532834;asciilifeform;except that i linked to mircea_popescu's pgp key in a post
1222134;1438532844;asciilifeform;and clicked (by mistake) just now, noticed that no one can see it.
1222135;1438532846;trinque;people who don't like "mean" people have no appreciation for comedy
1222136;1438532856;mircea_popescu;aha.
1222137;1438532877;mircea_popescu;well, it exists as a signed thing in the hands of the conference participants.
1222138;1438532880;asciilifeform;aha.
1222139;1438532912;punkman;how do you pronounce shotgun with more/less syllables than two?
1222140;1438532914;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wrote a short post last night, linking to an archive.today of the phuctored list, and exhorting the folks whose names appear therein to write
1222141;1438532932;asciilifeform;(doubt it will have any effect. perhaps ought to consider spamming them?)
1222142;1438532942;mircea_popescu;fuck em, why would you care/bother ?
1222143;1438532942;scoopbot_revived;Doing "God's Work" http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/02/doing-gods-work/
1222144;1438532954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would like to find what they have in common ?
1222145;1438532973;mircea_popescu;you're coming from tyhis weird place where we're all possessed of functioning brains here on this great internet and stuff. wtf.
1222146;1438532985;asciilifeform;what, ~nobody on the list~ has brain ?
1222147;1438532987;asciilifeform;not one ?
1222148;1438532995;mircea_popescu;they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
1222149;1438533012;mircea_popescu;neither class wants to talk to you about it, for different reasons.
1222150;1438533023;asciilifeform;i suppose now that their names have been 'googleable' for months, and still no reaction - this conclusion is nearly inescapable
1222151;1438533035;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1222152;1438533044;punkman;asciilifeform: did you email all of the already? I remember some mention of emails
1222153;1438533046;mircea_popescu;you got one schmuck exercising his right to be idiotic is the sumall.
1222154;1438533067;asciilifeform;punkman: nope. and it would almost certainly vanish in their spam filter, also.
1222155;1438533082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah i recall. was it anvin? iirc
1222156;1438533089;mircea_popescu;some anon.
1222157;1438533094;asciilifeform;ah that one
1222158;1438533099;mircea_popescu;because hey, that's the way to do things.
1222159;1438533099;asciilifeform;that one didn't even sign his name!
1222160;1438533119;mircea_popescu;i'll take it a notch further : none of them had anything to sign. ever.
1222161;1438533126;mircea_popescu;this includes the pgp mailing list.
1222162;1438533131;asciilifeform;'go to the place - where? no one knows, and bring me back that - which? no one knows' (tm)
1222163;1438533132;mircea_popescu;crazy as it may sound.
1222164;1438533162;asciilifeform;wai wut
1222165;1438533182;asciilifeform;as in, nothing ever changed from their signature being on it or not ?
1222166;1438533184;mircea_popescu;not.a.single.entry.on.your.list.ever.hand.any.legitimate.use.for.encryption.
1222167;1438533189;asciilifeform;well no shit.
1222168;1438533200;mircea_popescu;the impersonated ones, i mean.
1222169;1438533204;mircea_popescu;they just have no business here.
1222170;1438533208;asciilifeform;idk, the 'update signing key' people
1222171;1438533217;asciilifeform;had at least in their own planet, a use
1222172;1438533227;mircea_popescu;it's a case of, 12 yo girly playing a game she doesn't understand with toys that aren't really toys. except online and with boys.
1222173;1438533233;asciilifeform;and some of the maths students may have had something or other to say to someone or other
1222174;1438533240;mircea_popescu;heh.
1222175;1438533257;asciilifeform;and the folks releasing code (anvin? a few others?) did sign it
1222176;1438533291;mircea_popescu;i bet you, dollars to donuts, that they signed it for "wouldn';t it be cool if" reasons. an d the thing doesn't actually work / is not full lengthj /.trivially defeated on some op sec hole or other.
1222177;1438533292;asciilifeform;what i mean to say is, the folks selected for this special delicacy treat, were selected presumably for reasons ?
1222178;1438533332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc linus checks sigs
1222179;1438533338;asciilifeform;(of anvin et all)
1222180;1438533340;*;mircea_popescu suddenly realised, sometimes last night, that the deep reason nothing works is simply that - all of it was made on a lark.
1222181;1438533343;mircea_popescu;not for serious.
1222182;1438533353;asciilifeform;but how often? between him and the gods. i wouldn't know
1222183;1438533358;mircea_popescu;orly ? i thought he just dumps code someone emailed him intop the kernel.
1222184;1438533403;asciilifeform;l0l
1222185;1438533410;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1222186;1438533419;asciilifeform;(if he did, by all rights 2015 ought to have happened in 2005, or 1995... ?)
1222187;1438533437;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall some incident where precisely this happened.
1222188;1438533446;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should stfu if i can't link it.
1222189;1438533452;*;asciilifeform also recalls
1222190;1438533457;asciilifeform;but it may have involved freebsd
1222191;1438533472;mircea_popescu;anyway : there's this entire pretend culture, and it goes very deep. dunno how to properly illustrate it in its meta splendor.
1222192;1438533483;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/openbsd_backdoor_claim << rumour
1222193;1438533484;assbot;FBI 'planted backdoor' in OpenBSD • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1HilwSq )
1222194;1438533484;mircea_popescu;but i'm nothing oif not persistent, so lemme try.
1222195;1438533533;asciilifeform;and the 'pretend culture' at least in as far as it concerns public key crypto, was a very deliberate plank of the 'cypherpunk' folks - 'let's use crypto for every piece of shit, to defeat traffic analysis'
1222196;1438533533;mircea_popescu;case A : kid sees girl in bar. waits for moment when no-one's looking around 3am, kloinks her in the head with bottle, drags her dark alley outside, shreds her clothes and her virginity.
1222197;1438533574;mircea_popescu;case B : kid sees girl in bar, works up his courage until 3am, eventually approaches her and explains that he's into kinky stuff. which works out, because she always dreamed about being raped, so they meet in dark alley and have some great sex.
1222198;1438533607;mircea_popescu;and i posit that the entire fucking thing, "from the ground up", is B. all of it.
1222199;1438533634;mircea_popescu;"hey, woiuldn't it be cool if you could like... encrypt shit ?" "why ?" "so you cxould be like... a secre agent!"
1222200;1438533648;mircea_popescu;then they went about roleplaying their super-secret-agent kink for a while
1222201;1438533651;mircea_popescu;and then forgot about it.
1222202;1438533682;mircea_popescu;guitar hero for a different generation.
1222203;1438533728;trinque;sounds like the problem with letting most people define themselves on their own
1222204;1438533734;mircea_popescu;possibly the last time anyone did anything for serious with computers was in tyhe 80s.
1222205;1438533745;trinque;you're going to get fake representations out of most, if it cuts it with the people looking at them
1222206;1438533747;mircea_popescu;since then, everyone's just been trying to salvage utility out of the kids' roleplaying
1222207;1438533754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: industry exists
1222208;1438533755;trinque;I was fumbling for that idea the other day re: internal representations of identity
1222209;1438533763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does it.
1222210;1438533764;asciilifeform;i know, this sound like 'martians live among us'
1222211;1438533780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall that pdp emulator fella ?
1222212;1438533787;asciilifeform;somebody's buying that.
1222213;1438533797;asciilifeform;folks with beards as long as my arm.
1222214;1438533801;mircea_popescu;aha. exactly.
1222215;1438533806;mircea_popescu;those are hobbists not industrialists.
1222216;1438533812;asciilifeform;on whom the remnants of 'the west' stand, like on elephants on turtles.
1222217;1438533825;asciilifeform;not hobbyists. those use 'open source' emu
1222218;1438533834;asciilifeform;this one is intended for industrial plant
1222219;1438533837;asciilifeform;which still runs, yes, on pdp
1222220;1438533854;mircea_popescu;as someone's hobby.
1222221;1438533855;asciilifeform;(as do a great many american .mil systems, of the kind which still work)
1222222;1438533867;mircea_popescu;the "industry", such as it is, is fucking google, holding hackathons
1222223;1438533874;asciilifeform;no.
1222224;1438533879;mircea_popescu;trying to feed themselves out of used condoms left behind in dark alleys
1222225;1438533905;asciilifeform;the industry, in actuality, is grey beards maintaining code written in 1973, which keeps the water mains pressurized and the lights on.
1222226;1438533919;asciilifeform;and the condom injection molds going
1222227;1438533920;asciilifeform;etc
1222228;1438533932;mircea_popescu;aha. what's your definition of "industry" ?
1222229;1438533939;asciilifeform;easy: the ox
1222230;1438533943;asciilifeform;not the flies on his horns.
1222231;1438533943;mircea_popescu;because i suspect you go by ops whereas i go by financials./
1222232;1438533951;mircea_popescu;yea. okay.
1222233;1438533960;asciilifeform;if you go by financials, then the 'industry' is the u.s. fed.
1222234;1438533965;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1222235;1438533966;asciilifeform;which prints the payola
1222236;1438533973;asciilifeform;and then gives it out to demented bums
1222237;1438533975;mircea_popescu;alrighty then. that was my sad storyt for today.
1222238;1438533984;shinohai;http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/08/paris-hilton-tinkerbell-linux.html
1222239;1438533986;assbot;BBspot - Paris Hilton Releases Tinkerbell Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hinhz7 )
1222240;1438534019;mircea_popescu;do not expect a girl with a collar is actually a slave - she probably thought it looks good for her facebook ; do not expect someone with a pgp key is a lord - they probably were just trying to impress someone.
1222241;1438534023;asciilifeform;Slutware Linux << win
1222242;1438534081;asciilifeform;iirc the 'cypherpunk' folks thought of themselves as anonymous soldiers trying to pave the way for 'lords' to use key without insta-flagging
1222243;1438534103;shinohai;LOL @ slutware
1222244;1438534115;shinohai;I should push a slackware release
1222245;1438534140;trinque;is that poor guy still maintaining it?
1222246;1438534259;kakobrekla;heh, re pdp, apparently http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/
1222247;1438534260;assbot;Nuke plants to rely on PDP-11 code UNTIL 2050! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hiobf3 )
1222248;1438534272;kakobrekla;i guess end of world is 2051
1222249;1438534324;trinque;jurov: how hard is it to dump maildir mail files from mailman?
1222250;1438534367;trinque;I wrote a python script last night that turds together maildir mail from the txt dumps, but it's a hack at best
1222251;1438534390;trinque;at least there are sigs; I don't really care about having identical mail headers to the originals
1222252;1438534696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6580 @ 0.00055022 = 3.6204 BTC [+]
1222253;1438534801;asciilifeform;i will add, btw, that yes, i know that 'code from 1973' is not 'maintained' in the modern idiot bottomless-barrel-of-bug sense
1222254;1438534830;asciilifeform;instead, it is, e.g., transplanted to a 486 using the emulator mentioned earlier, handwritten by a fella with prolly a metre-long beard
1222255;1438534848;asciilifeform;because if it were not - the water stops coming out of the tap
1222256;1438534914;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: it was officially proclaimed, at one point, that the sole remaining american land-based nuke delivery vehicle, 'minuteman', is 100% vax-powered
1222257;1438534933;asciilifeform;(in the rocket, a miniaturized variant; on land - the real thing)
1222258;1438534997;asciilifeform;'PDP-11 assembler coders are hard to find' << what a pile of shit
1222259;1438535000;*;asciilifeform raises hand
1222260;1438535018;asciilifeform;but no, the unspoken qualification is the two-metre-long beard
1222261;1438535022;asciilifeform;and yes, i can understand why.
1222262;1438535105;asciilifeform;the thing that ~must~ be understood is that the ancient iron is maintained entirely, wholly, as a shield against microshitification
1222263;1438535124;asciilifeform;when a pc runs reactor - yes, that is the end.
1222264;1438535153;asciilifeform;yes, let's have winblowz, poettering, drepper, chinese capacitors, in reactor room.
1222265;1438535157;asciilifeform;it'll be grand.
1222266;1438535178;jurov;yes they do
1222267;1438535180;asciilifeform;just let me know the day before, so i can catch the last plane out.
1222268;1438535195;kakobrekla;out to where ?!
1222269;1438535204;jurov;in these parts most reactors reportedly run on win2k
1222270;1438535204;asciilifeform;'away from here'
1222271;1438535220;kakobrekla;no such place.
1222272;1438535223;asciilifeform;http://www.kafka.org/index.php?aid=172 << obligatory
1222273;1438535224;assbot;The Kafka Project | English | My Destination (transl. Alex Flores) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiriDN )
1222274;1438535230;kakobrekla;everywhere i go, im here.
1222275;1438535377;jurov;trinque it's easy, if you're subscribed you can publish it yourself
1222276;1438535404;jurov;i will, too. eventually.
1222277;1438535769;trinque;jurov: I missed a bunch of messages due to that tls thing, so I'm trying to grab all those
1222278;1438536122;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/btc-dev.mbox.xz this one is from july 3
1222279;1438536125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiuFKK )
1222280;1438536154;trinque;cool! thanks!
1222281;1438536161;trinque;that actually covers everything I needed, I think
1222282;1438536385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess that's a point yea.
1222283;1438536928;mircea_popescu;<jurov> in these parts most reactors reportedly run on win2k << why not me while at it.
1222284;1438537210;jurov;me is not properly certified
1222285;1438537302;jurov;can't even imagine what noise would austrians do if a reactor nearby would be allowed to run on something homebrew
1222286;1438537340;jurov;everything had to be modernized by siemens & co..
1222287;1438537390;kakobrekla; >I cooked up a multi-user general ledger system based on this hardware in '79. My client was a rural Iowa accountant who (what a prophet!) was afraid of hacks, so he insisted it NOT be compatible with anything else on the planet. So, though NorthStar DOS was way ahead of it's time, I had to ditch it. I burned my own boot EPROMs, wrote the whole thing using Ashley's assembler. You just can't do that anymore.
1222288;1438537391;kakobrekla;hehe
1222289;1438537414;kakobrekla;same problem in 79
1222290;1438538051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5960 @ 0.00052554 = 3.1322 BTC [-] {2} 
1222291;1438539574;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://i.imgur.com/TCjVzuQ.jpg
1222292;1438539581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFXj0g )
1222293;1438539804;shinohai;LOL
1222294;1438541413;shinohai;LOL BingoBoingo haz to update his article: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/02/world/cecil-the-lion-brother-jericho-alive/
1222295;1438541414;assbot;Cecil the lion's brother Jericho is alive - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiMDgk )
1222296;1438541630;punkman;"Reportedly, Koko enjoys seeing human nipples and will request her female  caregivers to show them to her on occasion. This has resulted in sexual  harassment lawsuits by caregivers who have felt pressured by Patterson  to show their nipples to Koko against their will. Attorney Jody Weiner,  who previously represented KoKo in licensing agreements, writes that he  should have recognized warning signs of a sex scandal. "
1222297;1438541782;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Nope. Jericho it turns out is not actually Cecil's brother. CNN is just listening to any crank who calls in.
1222298;1438541829;shinohai;I had hoped you could churn out another story based on that xD
1222299;1438542753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2949 @ 0.001135 = 3.3471 BTC [+]
1222300;1438542936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11565 @ 0.00052268 = 6.0448 BTC [-]
1222301;1438543415;mod6;<asciilifeform> interestingly, incitatus synced and stayed synced today << ahh ok, thanks for the heads up
1222302;1438543571;shinohai;I m syncing the dark side's wallet, keeps crashing with CDB: Error -30974, can't open database
1222303;1438545370;mircea_popescu;!up eric
1222304;1438545373;mircea_popescu;!up livegnik
1222305;1438545379;mircea_popescu;!up roasbeef
1222306;1438545528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract << this is actually a pretty great idea. and then run iterations over the thing until stable.
1222307;1438545568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search << technically speaking, needing "search" is a symptom that you've not yet learned it.
1222308;1438545573;mircea_popescu;ie, fit it in head.
1222309;1438545649;decimation;17:42 <+jurov> everything had to be modernized by siemens & co.. < jurov, but why does 'modernize' mean 'run on winblows 2k?'
1222310;1438545668;decimation;where's the german alternative to microsoft?
1222311;1438545670;jurov;ask siemens
1222312;1438545734;mircea_popescu;siemens is "german" in the sense tsipras is "greek" and so on. absolutely nothing to do.
1222313;1438545773;decimation;agilent - runs spectrum analyzers on winblows. rohde & schwarz - same
1222314;1438545804;decimation;it's not like they sell enough of them for 'people to come to expect'
1222315;1438545879;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222307 << no shit. and if i'd learned it, wouldn't need the diagram.
1222316;1438545879;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 19:59:28; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search << technically speaking, needing "search" is a symptom that you've not yet learned it.
1222317;1438545909;mircea_popescu;anyway, re punkman's reddit link - the tards miss the fruit and focus on the pit of that thing, as usual.
1222318;1438545989;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> (or even valid in a block) << they are not valid. they are spendable for reasons that have to do with what the protocol says, ie, unintentionally.
1222319;1438546008;asciilifeform;well sure
1222320;1438546039;jurov;decimation: perhaps you missed how my info how gigawatts of steam turbines are simulated and projected ... in excel
1222321;1438546096;jurov;(i mean, when they are installed, hopefully not when they are built. but not sure on that, either)
1222322;1438546102;mircea_popescu;or my info as to how the entire fucking house of cards came down chiefly bewcause some idiots were doing copula calculations
1222323;1438546105;mircea_popescu;also in excel
1222324;1438546138;mircea_popescu;(gauss copula, look into that sometime. if you want "pseudoscience that burned the world", global warming's nothing, witch hunts are nothing, this thing ruioned trillions)
1222325;1438546146;asciilifeform;jurov: the thing is, nothing is built from the ground up (except for the circus mentioned earlier just now by mircea_popescu) with 'excel'. the infrastructure is running on fumes
1222326;1438546163;asciilifeform;and i'd bet good money that there is, somewhere deep inside that win2k reactor, a real computer
1222327;1438546172;asciilifeform;largely autonomous from the shitputer
1222328;1438546186;asciilifeform;(which in turn is mostly a display of gui dials and gauges)
1222329;1438546203;jurov;like in iran?
1222330;1438546223;asciilifeform;jurov is almost certainly thinking of the refinery
1222331;1438546230;asciilifeform;where yes, winblowz
1222332;1438546251;asciilifeform;this is because the poor saps were stuck buying new
1222333;1438546257;asciilifeform;can't get the pdp new.
1222334;1438546268;asciilifeform;buy new, get 'siemens', run moar winblowz.
1222335;1438546300;jurov;um..er.. how is half of europe gonna get a whiff of pdp?
1222336;1438546304;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222312 << aha, international komy000nity!!!
1222337;1438546304;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 20:02:14; mircea_popescu: siemens is "german" in the sense tsipras is "greek" and so on. absolutely nothing to do.
1222338;1438546318;asciilifeform;jurov: ask the folks with the intact sov reactors
1222339;1438546319;scoopbot_revived;Line betting on BitBet, July 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-july-2015/
1222340;1438546319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your idea of nuke plants is more akin to a UP's big boy control hatch. this is not how they work, whole shit's run in java these days. for that matter - remember the recent airbus which had all 4 engines stop because counter smash issues ?
1222341;1438546335;jurov;^
1222342;1438546355;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1) nothing realtime-reactive runs in java 2) the counter overflows after what was it, 8 months of continuous engine time ????
1222343;1438546356;mircea_popescu;i tell you. there are no professionals left. all children posing for the mirror.
1222344;1438546365;mircea_popescu;a world of play-pretend like they're adults and doing things
1222345;1438546385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i recall, maxint / 100 it was.
1222346;1438546385;jurov;and i strongly suspect the computers of yore aren't what alf imagines, either. have them eat a text with arbitrary linelengths and see
1222347;1438546393;mircea_popescu;;;calc 8 *30 * 24 * 3600 * 100
1222348;1438546393;gribble;2073600000
1222349;1438546397;mircea_popescu;seems about right
1222350;1438546401;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118863 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118867
1222351;1438546401;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 03:39:28; decimation: asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's
1222352;1438546401;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 03:40:09; decimation: he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java
1222353;1438546404;asciilifeform;jurov: go feed it the text
1222354;1438546408;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_072015.txt.asc
1222355;1438546411;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1222356;1438546427;mircea_popescu;jurov or with locales :D
1222357;1438546441;asciilifeform;but jurov isn't wrong, per se, there probably ~is~ a reactor somewhere handled by four java boxes trying to cover for each other's garbagecollector pauses
1222358;1438546455;mircea_popescu;a nuclear reactor is a kind of flywheel
1222359;1438546459;mircea_popescu;you got plenty of time.
1222360;1438546459;asciilifeform;and you can tell from a distance when a sector of civilization has been consumed by the cancer
1222361;1438546463;chetty;feed the computer anything, with front panel switches
1222362;1438546463;asciilifeform;!s flashlight crash
1222363;1438546464;assbot;4 results for 'flashlight crash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight+crash
1222364;1438546492;jurov;all out email and else woes are due to text originally defined as "interspersed by cr in shorter intervals than any buffer wherever gets() is used"
1222365;1438546502;jurov;all else is binary by definition
1222366;1438546521;asciilifeform;jurov: don't confuse the retardation of unix&descendants for 'the real computer'
1222367;1438546534;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is actually the correct definition of "text" for computing.
1222368;1438546534;decimation;you guys realise we are gonna have to respecify email too right?
1222369;1438546540;asciilifeform;'the real computer' was and is programmed in asm ab initio - yes, from entirely empty space; for every task.
1222370;1438546550;mircea_popescu;decimation how about respecifying email as null.
1222371;1438546550;jurov;asciilifeform: and your pdp example is?
1222372;1438546555;asciilifeform;ab initio.
1222373;1438546566;decimation;mircea_popescu: sounds good to me.  file transfer a .txt
1222374;1438546583;asciilifeform;respecifying email as null << win
1222375;1438546587;mircea_popescu;imagine if every so often i had to click here to see if there's new lines
1222376;1438546592;mircea_popescu;then click on the lines indioviduallky
1222377;1438546596;mircea_popescu;FUCKING HELL WHO DID THIS
1222378;1438546604;decimation;actually you could argue that 'email' as a concept is 'let's pretend we are working at the post office'
1222379;1438546608;mircea_popescu;^
1222380;1438546617;decimation;not 'let's build a system for reliably transmitting information'
1222381;1438546618;mircea_popescu;it makes as much sense as drawing horses on a car.
1222382;1438546634;mircea_popescu;it had its importance selling technology to the retards.
1222383;1438546647;mircea_popescu;but other than that, it's as useful as "wysiwyg" or "point and click" or "just works!"
1222384;1438546674;mircea_popescu;nonsensical gimmicks of the ilk of "stop fucking your sister or else santa won't bringf you presents" and "eat your veggies so you can overpower your sister and stick it in her"
1222385;1438546699;asciilifeform;l0l
1222386;1438546749;decimation;much of it stems from "need to hustle to make money, use what's on the shelf and make it fit"
1222387;1438546796;decimation;I was watching a 'banking' show on the BBC the other day.  it featured a young afghan who managed to make it from goat-fuck-stan to the uk welfare state
1222388;1438546863;decimation;he complained that in afghanistan, everything is free - but people are poor and live in mud huts.  they envy the english for their warm houses &etc.  but now he works 12 hour days to try to make rent, pay bills - and never has time to enjoy his warm house
1222389;1438546870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also the idiocy of 'skeumorphism'
1222390;1438546888;decimation;because nothing is free
1222391;1438546904;asciilifeform;decimation: this and precisely this, is why i laugh at people who discuss compensation in terms of money
1222392;1438546929;decimation;yeah, it would be interesting for someone to interview people exactly like this: grew up orc, came to 'first world'
1222393;1438546933;asciilifeform;~i don't give a fuck~ what you're paid, how much of it do you get to ~keep~, and how much time do you get to sit in the warm house and drink tea and not think of work
1222394;1438546980;decimation;later in the episode he managed to somehow get an offer from the uk govt - he could buy his flat for 20k pounds
1222395;1438546987;asciilifeform;very few orcs have the brains to even consider this formula
1222396;1438546991;decimation;but the minimum loan from the bank is 25k
1222397;1438547016;decimation;he was like 'what am I gonna do with an extra 9k and I have to pay interest!"
1222398;1438547056;decimation;the rest of the show featured idiots with 25k credit card balances trying 'refinance'
1222399;1438547063;asciilifeform;l0l
1222400;1438547092;asciilifeform;must have been filmed a while ago, these figures would probably have an extra trailing zero today
1222401;1438547096;asciilifeform;at least where i live.
1222402;1438547098;decimation;http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b061xf9j/the-bank-a-matter-of-life-and-debt-3-lending < can watch here if you manage to obtain uk ip
1222403;1438547099;assbot;BBC iPlayer  - The Bank: A Matter of Life and Debt - 3. Lending ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5qb2h )
1222404;1438547141;asciilifeform;back to the earlier observation, the attachment orcs have to the myth of 'the west' is a truly religious affair
1222405;1438547156;decimation;yeah you could tell the guy was disappointed with his situation
1222406;1438547169;asciilifeform;not even being planted nose-first into the genuine pile of shit, has any curative effect
1222407;1438547187;asciilifeform;he will probably try to make his way 'moar west'
1222408;1438547190;decimation;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/07/09/illegal-immigrants-exploit-channel-tunnel-closure/ < for example here
1222409;1438547191;assbot;Illegal Immigrants Exploit Channel Tunnel Closure - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5qfz5 )
1222410;1438547192;asciilifeform;to, say, canada, or usa.
1222411;1438547211;asciilifeform;where he can work 14 hour days for a flat with six of his kind
1222412;1438547227;asciilifeform;(or get into the jail, where, approximately, same)
1222413;1438547238;decimation;somehow people from Eritrea are convinced that if they only make it to the uk they can supports their entire families!
1222414;1438547258;decimation;not realizing the complete chumpatron they are entering
1222415;1438547278;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-07-2015#1214974 << see also
1222416;1438547278;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:36:46; asciilifeform: 'hot', in this case, being the world of the coolie, and 'cold' being the world he aspires to enter (or at least send his children to, oxbridge and harvaprinceyaleton)
1222417;1438547333;decimation;usa was kinda like this in the 1800's
1222418;1438547344;jurov;yet no one goes back to afganistan
1222419;1438547350;decimation;east coast cities swelled with immigrants trying to get some monies
1222420;1438547361;decimation;but at least at that time they could buy a cheap farm in kansas
1222421;1438547373;decimation;jurov: good point
1222422;1438547378;asciilifeform;jurov: warm house is addictive. or whole 'west' circus would voluntarily rebuild afganistan at home
1222423;1438547381;mircea_popescu;decimation> yeah, it would be interesting for someone to interview people exactly like this: grew up orc, came to 'first world' << ie, half of romania under 50yo.
1222424;1438547384;asciilifeform;(they are anyway, but slowly)
1222425;1438547389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16425 @ 0.00052268 = 8.585 BTC [-]
1222426;1438547390;mircea_popescu;prolly 1/4 of russia or so, cause they're orc-er.
1222427;1438547436;mircea_popescu;and re the myth of the west, there was that trilema article linked from a recent one, "florida and other places".
1222428;1438547439;mircea_popescu;tis a sad thing.
1222429;1438547454;asciilifeform;jurov: it is the very meaning of the word 'addiction' as commonly used. (no one speaks of being 'addicted' to air, sunlight, etc)
1222430;1438547474;mircea_popescu;jurov actually plenty of people do go back to afghanistan.
1222431;1438547476;asciilifeform;if you want things that are ultimately doing you in in double time, and aren't even particularly fun - that is it
1222432;1438547486;mircea_popescu;heck, 50% of the 1st generation immigrants return home with the loot, marry and live there.
1222433;1438547494;mircea_popescu;the retards - stay.
1222434;1438547502;mircea_popescu;the rest just loot and leave.
1222435;1438547508;asciilifeform;when there is what to loot..
1222436;1438547514;mircea_popescu;which is ~why~ the libertard open border stuff doesn't work.
1222437;1438547529;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for as long as china takes the coupons...
1222438;1438547530;asciilifeform;(in more recent times, the 'loot' is in the form of bait, handed out monthly at welfare office)
1222439;1438547546;decimation;it stands a prayer of working if someone gets nothing for 'just showing up'
1222440;1438547557;mircea_popescu;no, it does not.
1222441;1438547559;decimation;but that implies nobody gets paid just to exist
1222442;1438547566;mircea_popescu;because the people you want don't want you, and the people you want you nobody wants.
1222443;1438547586;decimation;yeah, there's some raw human truth there
1222444;1438547590;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1222445;1438547614;decimation;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/28/us-finland-immigration-idUSKCN0Q22JJ20150728 < finland is going through this now
1222446;1438547617;assbot;Thousands rally in Finland against lawmaker's anti-immigration remark| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5qxG5 )
1222447;1438547625;mircea_popescu;there hasn't yet in the history of mankind been a wealth marriage that was happy. and "free immigraton" is notexceptional just because large.
1222448;1438547635;asciilifeform;decimation: they envy sweden its great mosques
1222449;1438547641;decimation;some politicians suggesting that maybe it's not good to import africa wholesale in one generation isn't such a great idea
1222450;1438547643;trinque;against racism lol
1222451;1438547649;decimation;of course they are hateful racists for suggesting it
1222452;1438547658;mircea_popescu;finnish chicks want the cock, what.
1222453;1438547660;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1222454;1438547671;mircea_popescu;what';d you have them to, wait on rpietilla ?
1222455;1438547686;asciilifeform;l0l!
1222456;1438547690;jurov;is there any successful example of resisting immigration?
1222457;1438547699;asciilifeform;Ze Supernoud Lifestyle
1222458;1438547707;asciilifeform;jurov: japan.
1222459;1438547714;asciilifeform;resists, to the bitter end.
1222460;1438547717;asciilifeform;like real men.
1222461;1438547719;decimation;^ true
1222462;1438547724;decimation;except they are not reproducing
1222463;1438547741;asciilifeform;wake me up when they reach 1900 level and still drop
1222464;1438547742;mircea_popescu;there's no resisting immigration. vienna fell. byzantium fell.
1222465;1438547742;trinque;that's the economic side's fault
1222466;1438547754;asciilifeform;what do we need the extra people post-1900 for anyway
1222467;1438547758;decimation;where's that rammstein 'amerika' song
1222468;1438547764;asciilifeform;^
1222469;1438547780;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215885
1222470;1438547780;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 02:37:56; shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg
1222471;1438547816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'there is no resisting ants and flies, giraffe fell, elephant fell'
1222472;1438547825;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1222473;1438547829;asciilifeform;but not from flies.
1222474;1438547835;mircea_popescu;of course not.
1222475;1438547849;mircea_popescu;the idea that immigration is the problem is braindamage of the level of thinking the maggots made the corpse.
1222476;1438547863;mircea_popescu;somehow the immigrants weren't the problem back when azns were washing gold miner's shirts for a penny
1222477;1438547879;mircea_popescu;and the irish fought the blacks for who's gonna polish knob tonight
1222478;1438547879;asciilifeform;the only shred of logic in there is that the maggots sometimes do feast on living flesh
1222479;1438547885;mircea_popescu;never.
1222480;1438547891;mircea_popescu;in fact, fly maggots used to clean wounds.
1222481;1438547902;mircea_popescu;they like live flesh about as much as you like birdshit.
1222482;1438547905;asciilifeform;yes. and removed when they start to eat the living flesh
1222483;1438547911;mircea_popescu;"the humans sometimes feast on the bird shit". i guess ?
1222484;1438547911;asciilifeform;(they will, from lack of what else, eventually)
1222485;1438547935;decimation;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/19/dirt-poor-haitians-eat-mu_n_168339.html
1222486;1438547936;assbot;Dirt Poor Haitians Eat Mud Cookies To Survive ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5qGJx )
1222487;1438547952;asciilifeform;decimation: i suppose they haven't any accordions to boil
1222488;1438547953;mircea_popescu;is this more jenkem journalism from the jenkem journals ?
1222489;1438547964;decimation;lol yeah where's jenkem
1222490;1438547973;mircea_popescu;huffpo huffed it.
1222491;1438547982;mircea_popescu;hence huffpopo.
1222492;1438547983;decimation;no look it's in real media too http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2008/01/31/haitians_trick_empty_bellies_with_dirt_cookies/
1222493;1438547984;assbot;Haitians trick empty bellies with dirt cookies - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5qKZK )
1222494;1438547985;asciilifeform;actually, iirc washpost huffed it
1222495;1438547986;asciilifeform;in the '90s
1222496;1438548011;asciilifeform;'dirt cookie' was a favourite in chinese cultural revolution
1222497;1438548028;asciilifeform;(there is ~some~ nutritious matter in the earth)
1222498;1438548062;mircea_popescu;and vitamins!
1222499;1438548078;mircea_popescu;thing is - there's more nutritious matter in shit.
1222500;1438548083;mircea_popescu;especially if a rich dude shat it.
1222501;1438548107;mircea_popescu;(for the obvious reason - what do you think earth is after all. microorganism digested shit)
1222502;1438548109;decimation;re:immigrants -> it seems to me that there is a difference between "we have empty land that someone could show up and till" and "one more derp could survive on the scraps here"
1222503;1438548130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usually in china they put it through a pig first. but yes.
1222504;1438548134;mircea_popescu;decimation the difference is whether you run pinkerton or welfare.
1222505;1438548141;decimation;https://suite.io/vic-sanborn/3des2zr
1222506;1438548142;assbot;Night-Soil Men, the Human Waste Collectors of Georgian London ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5qXvX )
1222507;1438548172;asciilifeform;^ was big business esp. in the brief time when piss was boiled for nitrate
1222508;1438548189;mircea_popescu;most of classical london consisted of a majority of "recyclers".
1222509;1438548206;mircea_popescu;and a minority of tradesmen, moving goods on an abstract mercator map
1222510;1438548211;asciilifeform;world's biggest unsurprise. of what is there most in a city? shit
1222511;1438548224;mircea_popescu;well, these days it's "shitheads"
1222512;1438548232;decimation;now we are too rich to care, apparently, just dig up more fossilized shit
1222513;1438548240;asciilifeform;obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2014#552444
1222514;1438548240;assbot;Logged on 09-03-2014 01:03:00; asciilifeform: 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turne
1222515;1438548443;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "as was the case with this one." << link missing ?
1222516;1438548511;mircea_popescu;"the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia authorized a search warrant" << for the record, this is not how it works. a judge authorises it, and im nary too enchanted by this tendency of individuals to hide behind imaginary shields.
1222517;1438548956;decimation;asciilifeform: was thinking about that 'pcb card' problem.  what if you terminated each trace into its own tank circuit, and then 'probed' the circuit with a vna?
1222518;1438548985;decimation;each tank would resonate at a particular frequency, or not, if trace is not blown. could terminate into bnc
1222519;1438549038;mircea_popescu;if you're going to do this why not measure inductance/harmonics/etc.
1222520;1438549059;mircea_popescu;end up with a weird sort of ADC
1222521;1438549081;decimation;yeah that's what I'm suggesting (complex impedance - part of which is inductance)
1222522;1438549140;decimation;if one is clever, one could make the tank circuit out of pure pcb trace, making it cheaper.  'crosstalk' could be a problem though
1222523;1438549183;jurov;inb4 "multilevel ROM" by placing resistors
1222524;1438549203;mircea_popescu;ya lol
1222525;1438549217;decimation;yeah but placing/removing components is a pain and expensive
1222526;1438549239;mircea_popescu;what would be really great would be if your thing could somehow be made out of glass
1222527;1438549256;mircea_popescu;you buy 6x6 inch panbes of glass and crash them
1222528;1438549260;mircea_popescu;thatr's your secret key
1222529;1438549269;decimation;heh
1222530;1438549277;decimation;the breakage geometry you mean?
1222531;1438549286;mircea_popescu;you plug the thing in whatever.
1222532;1438549294;mircea_popescu;and measure its remaining connections
1222533;1438549309;decimation;ah I see what you mean.
1222534;1438549311;mircea_popescu;much better than a pcb, if can be had.
1222535;1438549358;asciilifeform;decimation: crosstalk and rf
1222536;1438549368;mircea_popescu;so you know... some people generate their keys at the firing range. some people have a designated bat. some people make a new key after each domestic argument/divorce
1222537;1438549376;decimation;asciilifeform: sure, but those could be managed
1222538;1438549387;asciilifeform;decimation: look into why analogue computer went away.
1222539;1438549413;decimation;I get it, but I just wanna store some values, not compute derivatives
1222540;1438549419;asciilifeform;the 'crushed glass secret key' was picked up by academitards as 'physically unclonable function'
1222541;1438549441;asciilifeform;but it doesn't do any good unless there are 2 of'em (at minimum)
1222542;1438549452;asciilifeform;(goes without saying that it is only good for symmetric crypto)
1222543;1438549464;asciilifeform;break a glass rod.
1222544;1438549467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just an exotic way to rng, is in the end what he was trying to build
1222545;1438549472;mircea_popescu;"take a pcb and scratch it"
1222546;1438549476;asciilifeform;then sure
1222547;1438549479;mircea_popescu;necessarily goes to "crush glass pane"
1222548;1438549490;asciilifeform;just don't be surprised when it stops working when it is wet/cold/hot in the room
1222549;1438549493;asciilifeform;or if different room
1222550;1438549496;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1222551;1438549505;asciilifeform;(see mircea_popescu's old 'dragonfly' article based on my conf-II chat)
1222552;1438549557;asciilifeform;very often, folks forget just how much analogue strange there is in the world, that is kept (mostly) out of their digital computer
1222553;1438549563;decimation;actually that gives me another idea: http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/lichtenbergs.html
1222554;1438549565;assbot;What are Lichtenberg Figures, and how are they Made? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ4XVi )
1222555;1438549583;decimation;could make a lichtenberg figure key and use a camera to distill down into bits
1222556;1438549647;asciilifeform;decimation: what is the point of it
1222557;1438549655;asciilifeform;once 'distilled to bits', that'd be your key
1222558;1438549655;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I was thinking about generating key in a seperate machine and then 'hand-carving' the pcb to store key
1222559;1438549672;asciilifeform;the reason why 'physical function' is that it ought to be precisely a ~function~
1222560;1438549678;asciilifeform;that can be used as a one-time pad
1222561;1438549695;asciilifeform;so can 'ask' the glass a 64-bit integer, and get another
1222562;1438549700;decimation;I'm thinking about ways to manage key material that involve physical devices that can be inspected
1222563;1438549705;asciilifeform;and your partner behind enemy lines asks same, and gets same answer.
1222564;1438549732;asciilifeform;decimation: if that's all you want, get a 'sinclair'
1222565;1438549742;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "as was the case with this one." << link missing ? << That's a cazalla
1222566;1438549757;decimation;asciilifeform: well, also I want to be reliable
1222567;1438549764;decimation;sinclair uses floppies?
1222568;1438549775;asciilifeform;can use sd card, with a little soldering
1222569;1438549790;asciilifeform;incidentally,
1222570;1438549795;*;asciilifeform has been greatly enjoying http://www.zxdesign.info/book
1222571;1438549796;assbot;The ZX Spectrum ULA: How to design a microcomputer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ5wyk )
1222572;1438549808;asciilifeform;it is a priceless tour of 1980s chip design, among other things
1222573;1438549834;decimation;oh I thought they used 6502 like everyone else
1222574;1438549840;asciilifeform;z80
1222575;1438549844;decimation;ah
1222576;1438549846;asciilifeform;the other giant of the '80s
1222577;1438549865;asciilifeform;anyway, the book is about the i/o chip
1222578;1438549869;asciilifeform;not the cpu
1222579;1438549878;asciilifeform;man does not live by cpu alone !
1222580;1438549889;decimation;yeah the 'secret sauce' of the commadore was the video chip
1222581;1438549919;asciilifeform;it was not an era of elusive 'sauces'
1222582;1438549924;asciilifeform;but overall good design
1222583;1438549934;decimation;yes.
1222584;1438549935;asciilifeform;that doesn't reduce to 'xxxx chip'
1222585;1438549963;decimation;based on that 'bil herd' interview, it sounds like the board designers and chip designers worked in same building, with fab!
1222586;1438549968;asciilifeform;and consider also that, of all the toy computers, the one with the singularly worst design in every conceivable way, won.
1222587;1438549979;decimation;because cheap.
1222588;1438549984;asciilifeform;no, WAS NOT CHEAP
1222589;1438549987;asciilifeform;either.
1222590;1438549998;asciilifeform;but bezzle-annointed, yes
1222591;1438550001;decimation;cheaper than s/360
1222592;1438550006;asciilifeform;so it did not matter that it was a stinking pile of shit
1222593;1438550012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52911 @ 0.0005037 = 26.6513 BTC [-] {3} 
1222594;1438550013;asciilifeform;wasn't competing with s/360
1222595;1438550021;asciilifeform;but with typewriter.
1222596;1438550032;asciilifeform;and secretary (who did the job 10x better, but...)
1222597;1438550062;decimation;true.  people who wanted 'adult' computers in the 80's, had
1222598;1438550068;decimation;or at least could get access to one
1222599;1438550069;asciilifeform;http://www.oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html << prices
1222600;1438550073;assbot;IBM 5150 Personal Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1hdODl5 )
1222601;1438550090;asciilifeform;add a zero or so for modern usd.
1222602;1438550116;decimation;yeah my dad paid about $1500 in 1989 dollars for x86 pc... 'epson apex'
1222603;1438550133;asciilifeform;the thing was, in every respect, a 'soviet' production in the stereotypical western sense of the word
1222604;1438550145;asciilifeform;it was made by folks who did not have any reason whatsoever to give a fuck re: quality or cost.
1222605;1438550159;asciilifeform;who ~knew~ that they were winners as soon as they popped out of the womb
1222606;1438550167;asciilifeform;and 'winners', naturally, win
1222607;1438550195;asciilifeform;the ibm pc, recall, was that abomination where they didn't even bother to use dram chips that passed qa
1222608;1438550206;asciilifeform;instead, 'deadbugging' several duds over one another
1222609;1438550214;asciilifeform;to get a close approximation of one working unit
1222610;1438550256;decimation;and yet still cost $3k 1981 dollars!
1222611;1438550295;decimation;about $8k 2015 dollars
1222612;1438550450;mod6;All: I've put some steps together for installing ubuntu 10.04 & debian 6.0.10
1222613;1438550473;mod6;I've tested installing the iso's indicated on a VM and went through my own steps 2x (once for each OS)
1222614;1438550507;mod6;if someone with some spare time can validate my findings that would be great -- these are just the first two of a number of these that need to be discovered/defined
1222615;1438550525;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1TMGCVA.txt
1222616;1438550527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hdPty7 )
1222617;1438550528;decimation;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/IBM_System_36091.sj.jpg < ascii, entire machine state visible for inspection
1222618;1438550532;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hdPtyj )
1222619;1438550544;asciilifeform;as on 'univac'
1222620;1438550552;asciilifeform;and no, not whole state
1222621;1438550555;asciilifeform;just the regs
1222622;1438550564;decimation;well, yeah no storage
1222623;1438550622;shinohai;mod6: I'll do a confirm this week.
1222624;1438550631;mod6;shinohai: thanks!!
1222625;1438550636;mod6;much appreciated
1222626;1438550636;shinohai;nw
1222627;1438550696;shinohai;I haven't got to build that latest yet though, still fails on boost every time.
1222628;1438550790;asciilifeform;mod6: have you had a chance to build 'rotor' ?
1222629;1438550829;mod6;no, not since i couldn't get it to build before.  i'll try it again this coming week for sure.
1222630;1438550878;asciilifeform;mod6: note that the toolchain and deps build only ever needs to be done once, per machine
1222631;1438550895;asciilifeform;after that, it is precisely the same as working with 'stator'
1222632;1438550897;decimation;http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/07/26/the_identity_crisis_of_the_modern_zoo/ < amusing: "“If you asked somebody in our profession 10 years ago, ‘Is the gorilla happy?’, they would get really upset and say, ‘Why would you ask such an anthropomorphic question?’ ” said Kagan, 57. “But these sort of things now are legitimately a part of scientific study and assessment.”"
1222633;1438550898;assbot;The identity crisis of the modern zoo - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ7sXQ )
1222634;1438550914;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, thanks. so noted.
1222635;1438550957;mod6;i.e. I dont have to rebuild the buildroot & "universe" every time I want to add a patch, just rebuild 'stator'.
1222636;1438550984;decimation;you only really need to rebuild bitcoind if that's what you patched
1222637;1438551000;asciilifeform;aha
1222638;1438551001;decimation;just make sure you are using the correct paths
1222639;1438551010;mod6;yeah, i was trying to say this: <+decimation> you only really need to rebuild bitcoind if that's what you patched
1222640;1438551040;decimation;one nice thing about 'rotor' system: only one choice of build environment
1222641;1438551049;mod6;right.
1222642;1438551055;mod6;i like the allure of this.
1222643;1438551091;asciilifeform;the main allure, for me, was 1) drepper goes to the furnace where he belongs; no glibc 2) can switch cpu arch by turning a knob
1222644;1438551112;mod6;gotcha.
1222645;1438551203;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fg0jw/could_a_cartel_of_pool_operators_collude_to/ctoh97g
1222646;1438551204;assbot;luke-jr comments on Could a cartel of pool operators collude to 51%-attack the blockchain and/or change the protocol? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ7QFR )
1222647;1438551781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00052762 = 5.1707 BTC [+]
1222648;1438552468;asciilifeform;'It is mid-boggling that a protocol that "handles assets worth billions of dollars" is defined only by a bloated C++ implementation -- maintaned by one company, that of course will not be responsible for any losses...'
1222649;1438552470;asciilifeform;lulzy
1222650;1438552782;williamdunne;jurov: What would you like on the Eurola website? Starting out with clisp so I'll see if I can get that done as my hello world project
1222651;1438552829;jurov;marketplace with orders managed from irc
1222652;1438552941;williamdunne;Wanna do a brief or summin?
1222653;1438552979;asciilifeform;trinque, ben_vulpes, anyone else with 'clang' -- here's an idea, use the graph-walker solrodar used to determine the subset of openssl (see old thread re: same)
1222654;1438553037;trinque;asciilifeform: maybe discernable with better lcov output too?
1222655;1438553057;asciilifeform;trinque: see earlier thread today re: coverage
1222656;1438553069;trinque;the lcov stuff would probably be more helpful with a battery of tests run upon it such as mod6 has discussed
1222657;1438553069;asciilifeform;just because a line did not execute in ten billion hours does not mean that it could not
1222658;1438553078;asciilifeform;have to prove that it is unreachable.
1222659;1438553081;asciilifeform;before it can be cut.
1222660;1438553092;trinque;yeah, true, this would call for static analysis to know it can be cut
1222661;1438553107;asciilifeform;which is what i was talking about.
1222662;1438553232;jurov;doesn't openssl use function pointers?
1222663;1438553247;asciilifeform;does it ?
1222664;1438553250;trinque;odeary me
1222665;1438553257;*;trinque bbl
1222666;1438553286;jurov;just asking, i wouldn't put it past them
1222667;1438553427;williamdunne;jurov: I'm not sure how long I'll be around for, but if you drop me a doc outlining what you want I'll have a look at it tomorrow
1222668;1438553446;asciilifeform;jurov: this kind of thing is at the root of a very old disagreement i have with mircea_popescu
1222669;1438553466;asciilifeform;jurov: his position, if you recall, is that we are more or less stuck with the turds forever.
1222670;1438553488;asciilifeform;because no one will ever fully nail down the function of the existing orchestra
1222671;1438553502;asciilifeform;in such a way as to guarantee 100% compatibility
1222672;1438553532;jurov;i remember
1222673;1438553533;asciilifeform;my position is that this is reasonable, but what is unreasonable is to ever have more respect for a program than its author did.
1222674;1438553539;jurov;williamdunne: eventually.
1222675;1438553600;asciilifeform;and that if you are using a pile of shit which fits in no one's head, don't be surprised when the inevitable happens
1222676;1438553615;asciilifeform;and that there is not a magical elixir that absolves you of the need to 'fit in head'
1222677;1438553638;asciilifeform;all works of man are either 'fits in head' or 'pile of shit', no exceptions
1222678;1438553664;asciilifeform;(note that i did not specify ~which~ head)
1222679;1438553676;asciilifeform;but there has to be... ~a~ head.
1222680;1438554309;asciilifeform;related...
1222681;1438554311;asciilifeform;'Overriding and updating old information is something I have to work really hard at.  The end result of the way I think and the way the standard is defined is that I immediately saw these massively complex ways to do things that "nobody" understood.  Take HyTime and what it calls "architectual forms" -- I vividly remember a long walk around a quiet Tallahassee one summer night with the creator of this concept, when I questione
1222682;1438554312;asciilifeform;d some of the designs and how it would be implemented, and he was quiet for the longest time before he said that I was probably the first person to have understood what he was _really_ trying to accomplish.  That would have been _such_ a great thing if it had been, say, rocket science, but it was not.  It was a man-made complexity so great that it had required _months_ of brain-wracking to really get my intuition working.  Tha
1222683;1438554313;asciilifeform;t was the first time I had really serious doubts about the wisdom of SGML's structuring process, because the massive complexity of it all is _completely_ pointless and a result of spreading the semantics so thin that you had to keep mental track of an enormous number of relationships to end up with an idea of what something should do or mean.  It does not have to be that way.  It was _profoundly_ disappointing to discover that
1222684;1438554317;asciilifeform; at the end of this long process of grasping something that looked intellectually challenging lie only a complexity that resulted from _rejecting_ simplicity of design at a few crucial points.  Hell, it still took me years to figure out what alternatives they _should_ have picked up, and by then it was too late.'
1222685;1438554322;asciilifeform;( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3207878053204561@naggum.net.html )
1222686;1438554323;assbot;Re: XML and lisp - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEOrah )
1222687;1438554480;asciilifeform;'...But it is the same problem we find in C++.  The question to be asked of massive complexity like that is not "what wonderful things did you find out that made this necessary", but "whatever did you _miss_ that made this so horribly complex"?  You can sometimes see people who are really, really dumb go about some simple tasks in a way that tells you that they have arrived at their ways of performing it through an incredibly
1222688;1438554480;asciilifeform;painful process that they are loathe to reopen or examine at all no matter how hard it is to get it right for them.'
1222689;1438554819;punkman;asciilifeform: all works of man are either 'fits in head' or 'pile of shit', no exceptions << don't some things require more than a single head?
1222690;1438554851;asciilifeform;no
1222691;1438554869;asciilifeform;if something ~requires~ >1 head, it consists of separable things.
1222692;1438554927;asciilifeform;i happen to believe that we have not yet devised the means for truly separating - conceptually - computer programs
1222693;1438554964;asciilifeform;this is why, to return to earlier thread, pdp11 programmed by a single mind who writes every single instruction that the machine will ever execute, can be a jewel that is maintained for generations,
1222694;1438554970;asciilifeform;while pdp11 with unix - loses linefeeds
1222695;1438554974;asciilifeform;and evolves into what we have now
1222696;1438555012;asciilifeform;and is a bottomless pit of 'nobody could have foreseen's
1222697;1438555084;asciilifeform;observe the 'CRITICAL_SECTION' turds in bitcoind
1222698;1438555098;asciilifeform;are those the work of a fella who truly, deeply understood what the machine is doing?
1222699;1438555107;asciilifeform;who had a machine for which this claim could be made, even in principle ?
1222700;1438555123;asciilifeform;or are they something else.
1222701;1438555389;punkman;clearly not understood considering the number of results in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?q=deadlock&type=Issues
1222702;1438555391;assbot;Search Results · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEREH5 )
1222703;1438555448;asciilifeform;it is a result of the kind of cargocultism driven by justified and maniacal fear that leads, e.g., c programmers to pepper their code with redundant parenthesis
1222704;1438555457;asciilifeform;(leading to a lifelong phobia of that key on the keyboard)
1222705;1438555785;asciilifeform;my point, incidentally, was not that satoshi was a tard (though it may be)
1222706;1438555810;asciilifeform;but that winblowz makes the kind of certainty needed to avoid the 'grasping for the handrails' described earlier, impossible
1222707;1438555815;asciilifeform;and unix - marginally less so
1222708;1438555842;punkman;Ada on bare metal then?
1222709;1438555848;asciilifeform;for example.
1222710;1438555965;asciilifeform;but also must be very particular, ~which~ metal
1222711;1438555972;asciilifeform;read the src to linux's bootloader some time
1222712;1438555982;asciilifeform;can you tell me which lines are actually necessary ?
1222713;1438555985;asciilifeform;betcha you can't
1222714;1438555993;asciilifeform;even if you took 'operating systems' at uni
1222715;1438556007;asciilifeform;for instance, the 'a20 gate' is almost certainly not actually implemented in your chipset
1222716;1438556016;asciilifeform;yet it is in EVERY MOTHERFUCKING BOOTLOADER on the planet
1222717;1438556018;asciilifeform;even microshit's
1222718;1438556024;asciilifeform;because wat if you have a 386, aha.
1222719;1438556041;asciilifeform;much of this crud is quite like satoshi's 'critical sections'
1222720;1438556050;asciilifeform;included because author has no fucking idea what is going on
1222721;1438556062;asciilifeform;and cut&paste, because 'people have come to expect'
1222722;1438556077;asciilifeform;or 'nobody was ever fired for making bootloader six bytes larger'
1222723;1438556120;asciilifeform;and this shit adds up
1222724;1438556137;asciilifeform;the notion that it doesn't, that it doesn't matter whether bootloader is six bytes of liquid shit heavier,
1222725;1438556140;asciilifeform;is the fundamental lie.
1222726;1438556148;asciilifeform;all of it - matters.
1222727;1438556171;asciilifeform;the fact that x86 cpu has idiot ibm-mandated instructions for doing binary-coded-decimal - MATTERS
1222728;1438556215;asciilifeform;the fact that there is no standardized chipset, and that x86 is really a loose collection of mostly-incompatible shitboxes that somehow pretend to run the same soft - matters.
1222729;1438556254;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086967 << see also.
1222730;1438556254;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 19:07:33; mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.
1222731;1438556663;kakobrekla;The BIOS in many personal computers stores the date and time in BCD because the MC6818 real-time clock chip used in the original IBM PC AT motherboard provided the time encoded in BCD.  < heh
1222732;1438556748;kakobrekla;compatible with the pyramids or what was it
1222733;1438556884;mircea_popescu;contemptible with the pyramids.
1222734;1438557327;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ < dragonfly article.
1222735;1438557328;assbot;The complexity of life, a triad on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZbV9r )
1222736;1438557444;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222602 << fucking monitor was like 1200, cca 1985-86
1222737;1438557444;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 21:15:16; decimation: yeah my dad paid about $1500 in 1989 dollars for x86 pc... 'epson apex'
1222738;1438557470;mircea_popescu;or 120k of the romanian lei of the time. 50 or so salaries.
1222739;1438557735;mircea_popescu;heh Luke-Jr fighting a loser's battle with his "bitcoin core" matters twu faith.
1222740;1438557824;mircea_popescu;hey midnightmagic ask me things about things will you.
1222741;1438557850;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222651 << total win.
1222742;1438557850;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 22:00:29; jurov: marketplace with orders managed from irc
1222743;1438557868;mircea_popescu;if jurov finally gets a proper chat system built in, and we have a chat bot that does auction lists etc...
1222744;1438557880;mircea_popescu;eulora is suddenly more advanced than the state of new york.
1222745;1438557991;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222669 << the problem is this : you have to verify old blocks. all of them, al lthe way to genesis. if you do not, for whatever reason, you are on an alt. and if you're going to make an alt, better make it properly and deliberately rather than the idiot woman "i had too much too drink so things happened" approach.
1222746;1438557991;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 22:11:06; asciilifeform: jurov: his position, if you recall, is that we are more or less stuck with the turds forever.
1222747;1438558165;mircea_popescu;but that aside, naggum's via alf point re complexity being usually and generally as a safe bet the result of someone missing the thinkboat certainly stands resplendent on its own feet.
1222748;1438558280;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222718 << no, not "because what if you have a 386" but because a) does it work as is ? and b) do we know anyone who could cut it out and not introduce a bug ?
1222749;1438558280;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 22:53:44; asciilifeform: because wat if you have a 386, aha.
1222750;1438558285;mircea_popescu;same reason you have an appendix.
1222751;1438558296;mircea_popescu;"hurts nothing and too hard to take out"
1222752;1438558368;scoopbot_revived;The very very jealous with envy thing, part deux. http://trilema.com/2015/the-very-very-jealous-with-envy-thing-part-deux/
1222753;1438558500;asciilifeform;yes, yes appendix.
1222754;1438558510;asciilifeform;problem is, we're drowning in appendices
1222755;1438558514;asciilifeform;and they all have appendicitis.
1222756;1438558519;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1222757;1438558571;mircea_popescu;every generation has this, an overpowering, indomitable reason why the previous one fails to matter.
1222758;1438558599;mircea_popescu;for kids born in the 80s when talking to their parents it's "shut the fuck up, you fucked women in a single hole your entire life"
1222759;1438558608;asciilifeform;as for the deliberate alt, it is somewhat like the ancient discussion about whether one would rather be 'scanned in' and shot and ~then~ replaced by the robot running the sim, or to have a neuron at a time replaced with electric one
1222760;1438558612;mircea_popescu;and it stands. no man can look you in the face past that, for he's a sort of a toy.
1222761;1438558617;asciilifeform;same result, but many more takers for the latter than the former.
1222762;1438558637;mircea_popescu;but it goes all the way to the fucking celts, you knoiw, "you never had iron tools. everything you say, and everything you think you mean or stand for is therefore invalid"
1222763;1438558646;asciilifeform;^ well no shit
1222764;1438558646;mircea_popescu;perhaps this is the next one.
1222765;1438558651;mircea_popescu;"you can't code. fuck you."
1222766;1438558674;asciilifeform;these words are uttered, yes, today. by childrenz who 'code' php...
1222767;1438558688;mircea_popescu;it's not fucking magic, yo. utterance is not the glue that makes it stick.
1222768;1438558700;asciilifeform;i see no glue, thus far. only the utterance.
1222769;1438558723;mircea_popescu;we're discussing the future.
1222770;1438558731;mircea_popescu;the reason you can not see the substance of the future should be apparent.
1222771;1438558735;asciilifeform;'what did the future ever do for me' (tm) (r)
1222772;1438558738;mircea_popescu;>D
1222773;1438558741;mircea_popescu;off to eat bbl
1222774;1438559311;kakobrekla;It seems that evolution had not merely selected the best code for the task, it had also advocated those programs which took advantage of the electromagnetic quirks of that specific microchip environment. The five separate logic cells were clearly crucial to the chip’s operation, but they were interacting with the main circuitry through some unorthodox method < heh
1222775;1438559366;kakobrekla;'Furthermore, the final program did not work reliably when it was loaded onto other FPGAs of the same type.' < fun
1222776;1438559453;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/iFfGs
1222777;1438559454;assbot;losermcfail comments on A single political entity effectively has 57% control over Bitcoin's hashpower. What do we do about it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1N2UHGW )
1222778;1438559462;hanbot;sounds like what asciilifeform was talking about.
1222779;1438560408;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fk3p9/a_single_political_entity_effectively_has_57/ctpcsko  lol
1222780;1438560410;assbot;ergofobe comments on A single political entity effectively has 57% control over Bitcoin's hashpower. What do we do about it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1N2WsUx )
1222781;1438560504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42196 @ 0.00054474 = 22.9858 BTC [+] {2} 
1222782;1438561968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00054499 = 17.0582 BTC [+] {3} 
1222783;1438562346;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fk3p9/a_single_political_entity_effectively_has_57 << philippino up the thread, naturally
1222784;1438562348;assbot;A single political entity effectively has 57% control over Bitcoin's hashpower. What do we do about it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IF68Fd )
1222785;1438562528;mircea_popescu;kinda sad roi really.
1222786;1438562533;mircea_popescu;but what do i know.
1222787;1438562542;asciilifeform;which i
1222788;1438562549;mircea_popescu;<
1222789;1438562558;asciilifeform;ah
1222790;1438562720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: earlier and recurrent mempool thread: consider this: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2776
1222791;1438562721;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3RUbz )
1222792;1438562750;asciilifeform;classical apparatus has a data structure, 'mapPriority', http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=mapPriority
1222793;1438562751;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: mapPriority ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3RTnX )
1222794;1438562760;mircea_popescu;dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);
1222795;1438562763;asciilifeform;sum(valuein * age) / txsize
1222796;1438562772;mircea_popescu;right
1222797;1438562779;mircea_popescu;course this is mining priority neh ?
1222798;1438562784;asciilifeform;which is odd, does not correspond to the formula given
1222799;1438562801;asciilifeform;or hm, divided, yes
1222800;1438562812;asciilifeform;but anyway, it is used when conjuring up a block, aha
1222801;1438562826;mircea_popescu;   dPriority += (double)nValueIn * nConf; << seems it does
1222802;1438562827;mircea_popescu;aha.
1222803;1438562836;asciilifeform;can just as easily use when 1) evicting 2) sharing inventory
1222804;1438562845;mircea_popescu;we don't give a shit about agwe
1222805;1438562849;asciilifeform;yes!
1222806;1438562850;mircea_popescu;i specifically chose to ignore this.
1222807;1438562859;asciilifeform;whole point of this conversation is that i wanted to say this
1222808;1438562864;mircea_popescu;a ok
1222809;1438562876;mircea_popescu;looky : there are parts where we may... ever so slightly... deviate.
1222810;1438562882;mircea_popescu;take what you can.
1222811;1438562883;asciilifeform;well, and one other thing - what does payware node feed non-payers ?
1222812;1438562885;asciilifeform;anything?
1222813;1438562895;asciilifeform;random ordering?
1222814;1438562906;mircea_popescu;i have been thinking about it.
1222815;1438562910;asciilifeform;same
1222816;1438562915;mircea_popescu;it's not a trivial question
1222817;1438562921;asciilifeform;was in a hammock for some hours earlier, thinking about only this.
1222818;1438562944;mircea_popescu;nothing may be it.
1222819;1438562958;mircea_popescu;has some historical support anyway
1222820;1438562970;asciilifeform;if nothing, how to ramp up?
1222821;1438562984;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1222822;1438562988;asciilifeform;(right now this would have the effect of essentially unplugging my node)
1222823;1438563014;mircea_popescu;of course it could fed the discarded txn
1222824;1438563024;asciilifeform;whereas if you feed the hobos when paying folks aren't bidding, you get essentially same situation as fees
1222825;1438563028;asciilifeform;where hobos 'come to expect'
1222826;1438563036;asciilifeform;and the overall friction of their presence is a permanent irritant
1222827;1438563065;asciilifeform;if we feed the hobos the pigshit end of the priority queue, they simply have an incentive to run away to any other node
1222828;1438563069;mircea_popescu;to make sure : your notion of "paying" includes "peers that relay txn that are worthy of going in our pool", correct ?
1222829;1438563069;asciilifeform;which feeds unsorted
1222830;1438563079;mircea_popescu;so what's wrong with this incentive ?
1222831;1438563081;asciilifeform;leaving this conundrum aside
1222832;1438563100;asciilifeform;because it remains unspecified how to implement any notion of 'peers that bring good tx'
1222833;1438563105;asciilifeform;because peers have no identity
1222834;1438563110;mircea_popescu;ip.
1222835;1438563114;asciilifeform;ip is ephemeral
1222836;1438563119;asciilifeform;and comms are unauthenticated.
1222837;1438563120;mircea_popescu;ip!
1222838;1438563143;mircea_popescu;the "signed" option can be in v2.0
1222839;1438563152;asciilifeform;the buggerz already have infrastructure set up for diddling bitcoin net, all they gotta do now is drop in shit tx
1222840;1438563161;mircea_popescu;have a special, encrypted protocol. fix the "magic hole" issue too
1222841;1438563172;asciilifeform;that's sorta what i was doing in the hammock
1222842;1438563182;mircea_popescu;too soon, srsly.
1222843;1438563187;asciilifeform;in my head!
1222844;1438563192;mircea_popescu;alright.
1222845;1438563210;asciilifeform;the problem i ~would~ like to solve near-term is 'node demands infinite ram'
1222846;1438563213;asciilifeform;this has to die.
1222847;1438563221;asciilifeform;how - is secondary
1222848;1438563228;mircea_popescu;the most important point of military strategy is that a weak position which the enemy doesn't invest is not really weak in any sense. this is the meaning of napoleon's "never interrupt"
1222849;1438563255;asciilifeform;converse of this is that weak position enemy ~does~ invest in, means death.
1222850;1438563266;mircea_popescu;nah.
1222851;1438563276;mircea_popescu;you doin't actually want to kill.
1222852;1438563280;asciilifeform;'what you don't know about will not only hurt you, but eat you for lunch and ask for seconds' (tm) (r)
1222853;1438563294;mircea_popescu;ever read any balzac incidentally ?
1222854;1438563304;asciilifeform;nope
1222855;1438563310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.000545 = 15.3418 BTC [+] {2} 
1222856;1438563315;asciilifeform;though iirc there is one in my queue
1222857;1438563317;mircea_popescu;he's worth a read, man had a knack for comprehendingsocial science.
1222858;1438563320;asciilifeform;on account of some earlier mircea_popescuism
1222859;1438563334;mircea_popescu;anyway, he has a story about doesn't matter what, in which the setting is that two groups have licenses to print newspapers in some small town
1222860;1438563354;mircea_popescu;one of them dominates, but takes care the other one (some widow, buncha incompetent losers) doesn't outright go out of business
1222861;1438563358;mircea_popescu;for the obvious reason.
1222862;1438563372;asciilifeform;microshit&apple, 1990s
1222863;1438563373;asciilifeform;aha
1222864;1438563378;mircea_popescu;the casual, obvious manner in which he treats this otherwise subtle point really stuck with me. 1800s! man got it.
1222865;1438563451;mircea_popescu;he also has an excellent depiction of the exact mechanics of inheritance in eugenie grandet
1222866;1438563482;mircea_popescu;it's quite simple : if you're old but somehow "owner", you will get so fucking raped you'll deplore the protections of that "ownership".
1222867;1438563496;asciilifeform;the gas/car dichotomy, aha
1222868;1438563542;mircea_popescu;pretty much every amateur thinker / world saver captive in english as his sole language would benefit immensely from reading balzac. whereas the clueful might really enjoy the elegant display he makes of things.
1222869;1438563692;asciilifeform;momentarily back to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222828 : at this point i very much regard the notion of 'so-and-so is an ip, and at this moment he is Worthy, and now let's try to calculate when he isn't...' as deeply mistaken.
1222870;1438563692;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 00:51:09; mircea_popescu: to make sure : your notion of "paying" includes "peers that relay txn that are worthy of going in our pool", correct ?
1222871;1438563704;asciilifeform;it has to run like normal wot.
1222872;1438563712;mircea_popescu;"has" . why has.
1222873;1438563717;asciilifeform;because crypto
1222874;1438563732;punkman;can just vpn?
1222875;1438563757;asciilifeform;because the comms have to be private and authenticated. and these concepts have no meaning when dealing with unknowns.
1222876;1438563757;scoopbot_revived;The 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 Sunday event http://trilema.com/2015/the-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-sunday-event/
1222877;1438563798;mircea_popescu;can we carry this discussion in practical terms ?
1222878;1438563806;mircea_popescu;someone is going to steal my ip ?
1222879;1438563814;asciilifeform;not sure how to make it more intensely practical
1222880;1438563823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, someone will mitm the link
1222881;1438563828;asciilifeform;just as is happening to your box now, and mine
1222882;1438563837;asciilifeform;just that now they are contenting themselves with nulling the payloads.
1222883;1438563870;asciilifeform;do i have to describe here how mitm works? draw a picture ?
1222884;1438563918;asciilifeform;unlike the rest of bitcoin, mempool ~is~ sensitive to mitm and other real-time issues
1222885;1438563932;shinohai;with crayons perhaps?
1222886;1438563935;asciilifeform;yes, satoshi was concerned only that blocks are agreed on and that the constituent tx are genuine, etc
1222887;1438563958;asciilifeform;but we are speaking of nodes trading mempool sorted by minability value
1222888;1438563975;asciilifeform;this is inherently time-sensitive and diddlable (if only in the pure withholding sense)
1222889;1438564004;mircea_popescu;hm
1222890;1438564021;asciilifeform;not to mention the fact that the payload itself has value!
1222891;1438564035;mircea_popescu;i find no counters to summon.
1222892;1438564078;asciilifeform;as i understand now, we are converging on something quite like (what is known of) the chinese approach.
1222893;1438564084;mircea_popescu;indeed
1222894;1438564097;asciilifeform;where the peers actually drink beer (or what do they drink there?) together
1222895;1438564112;mircea_popescu;this is illusory, my well placed flies on the wall tell me.
1222896;1438564121;mircea_popescu;i nfact, they don't actually trust each other enough to share... ips
1222897;1438564133;asciilifeform;unsurprising. but they share tx?
1222898;1438564134;mircea_popescu;but yes, meta-chinese, whatever.
1222899;1438564140;mircea_popescu;they maybe do.
1222900;1438564142;mircea_popescu;oriental love.
1222901;1438564147;asciilifeform;i suppose meta-china is where they mine with actual nodes
1222902;1438564157;asciilifeform;instead of 'spv' or whatever thing named after herpes virus
1222903;1438564164;mircea_popescu;aptly named.
1222904;1438564175;mircea_popescu;fucking americans and their macdonalds.
1222905;1438564187;mircea_popescu;"oh you know what we could do to make this meal shittier ? shit in it!"
1222906;1438564192;mircea_popescu;no shit, sherlick.
1222907;1438564215;asciilifeform;china: 'we already discovered it 5,000 yrs ago. here, have some fried rat turd dumpling'
1222908;1438564255;mircea_popescu;spv nodes. because sometime you will want to pretend you're wearing a greatcoat and only have a q-tip
1222909;1438564278;mircea_popescu;and that sometime is right now and that someone is most everyone and this somehow matters now.
1222910;1438564309;mircea_popescu;"because we haven't joined the sv circus to not deliver huge numbers devoid of any content or meaning!!1" as hearn aptly put it.
1222911;1438564325;asciilifeform;the sheer monumental stupidity of this floored me, and i am still half-convinced that it is disinfo somehow
1222912;1438564340;asciilifeform;what, no one in cn can score a sat dish ?
1222913;1438564343;mircea_popescu;it's not anymore disinfo than the "civil rights movement"
1222914;1438564346;asciilifeform;and a contract with, fuck, norway ?
1222915;1438564350;mircea_popescu;you know, us faking its own death.
1222916;1438564420;*;asciilifeform was - until recently - labouring under the notion that cn was quite alive
1222917;1438564442;mircea_popescu;thin live layer at the top, exactly like the froth of 90s moscow.
1222918;1438564466;mircea_popescu;peat underneath.
1222919;1438564469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19706 @ 0.000545 = 10.7398 BTC [+]
1222920;1438564530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22944 @ 0.00055531 = 12.741 BTC [+] {3} 
1222921;1438564722;mircea_popescu;lol wikipedia thinks george sand was a "feminist" writer
1222922;1438564724;mircea_popescu;lawd have mercy.
1222923;1438565647;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-sunday-event/#selection-193.21-193.36 << got the sexpr ? hm ? HM ?
1222924;1438565648;assbot;The 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 Sunday event on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjLEwj )
1222925;1438565675;punkman;!up alaricsp
1222926;1438566055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00055744 = 3.5397 BTC [+] {3} 
1222927;1438567153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14163 @ 0.00055771 = 7.8988 BTC [+]
1222928;1438567397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6306 @ 0.00054474 = 3.4351 BTC [-]
1222929;1438567476;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, trinque: http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/Packages/callcatcher.html
1222930;1438567477;assbot;callcatcher: collect functions/methods defined and subtract called/referenced ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0b0Bi )
1222931;1438567666;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222917 << wasn't aware that it was anything but the weevils eating carcass of dead dragon, top to bottom
1222932;1438567666;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 01:14:02; mircea_popescu: thin live layer at the top, exactly like the froth of 90s moscow.
1222933;1438567682;asciilifeform;what layer.
1222934;1438567824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00053881 = 10.8301 BTC [-] {3} 
1222935;1438568190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00053792 = 10.9467 BTC [-] {3} 
1222936;1438568373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00053682 = 15.0578 BTC [-] {3} 
1222937;1438568722;decimation;01:12 <+asciilifeform> the sheer monumental stupidity of this floored me, and i am still half-convinced that it is disinfo somehow <  at some point we are gonna run our own mining corp too :(
1222938;1438568997;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220100 << see also
1222939;1438568997;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 00:37:07; mircea_popescu: suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck"
1222940;1438569078;decimation;heh
1222941;1438569166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34735 @ 0.00052119 = 18.1035 BTC [-]
1222942;1438569678;decimation;asciilifeform: related: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175695  http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175696 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175697
1222943;1438569678;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:45:12; decimation: asciilifeform: why would ulbricht keep detailed records of his incriminating evidence on his laptop?
1222944;1438569678;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:45:22; asciilifeform: decimation: because retardation?
1222945;1438569678;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:45:26; decimation: exactly.
1222946;1438570203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00050914 = 12.8812 BTC [-] {5} 
1222947;1438570298;decimation;the longer I live, the more dubious I am of the initial assumption that 'enemy plays hand to his maximum advantage'
1222948;1438570351;decimation;granted, sometimes you gotta think that way for strategic reasons, but it often misleads
1222949;1438571484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88950 @ 0.00050361 = 44.7961 BTC [-] {7} 
1222950;1438572277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00050271 = 19.8068 BTC [-]
1222951;1438572582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00051505 = 12.387 BTC [+] {3} 
1222952;1438573436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00051755 = 10.6615 BTC [+]
1222953;1438573779;decimation;heh apparently the avro vulcan (famous uk nuke bomber) was based on german swept-wing research
1222954;1438575736;BingoBoingo;https://www.xkcd.com/1559/
1222955;1438575737;assbot;xkcd: Driving ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhboCJ )
1222956;1438576913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00050614 = 20.7011 BTC [-] {2} 
1222957;1438576974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7180 @ 0.00051755 = 3.716 BTC [+]
1222958;1438577441;ben_vulpes;evening, hanbot
1222959;1438577828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00051178 = 24.4887 BTC [-]
1222960;1438578499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00052218 = 24.438 BTC [+] {4} 
1222961;1438578987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00052488 = 24.5381 BTC [+]
1222962;1438579566;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222462 << riiight...
1222963;1438579566;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 20:35:24; decimation: except they are not reproducing
1222964;1438579658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22183 @ 0.00050912 = 11.2938 BTC [-] {3} 
1222965;1438579810;gabriel_laddel;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHW0HaG01iU
1222966;1438579811;assbot;Japanese High School Girls Dancing and Having Some Fun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IT7JsU )
1222967;1438580939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00052827 = 11.0144 BTC [+] {3} 
1222968;1438582098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00050887 = 23.7133 BTC [-] {3} 
1222969;1438582464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153100 @ 0.00052766 = 80.7847 BTC [+] {7} 
1222970;1438583013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30989 @ 0.00052043 = 16.1276 BTC [-]
1222971;1438583481;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222291 << 'super troopers' (2001) is a mega-classic, or at least it was the last time i saw it. it's been a few years but i remember loving that movie.
1222972;1438583481;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 18:19:34; mircea_popescu: in other news, https://i.imgur.com/TCjVzuQ.jpg
1222973;1438583521;*;pete_dushenski hopes mircea_popescu knew this was staged.
1222974;1438583556;pete_dushenski;though i admit that the difference between fact and fiction is exceedingly thin, particularly when discussing the american legal system.
1222975;1438583839;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1222976;1438583840;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.02, Best ask: 283.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 283.01, 24 hour volume: 7526.59199257, 24 hour low: 277.16, 24 hour high: 283.44, 24 hour vwap: None
1222977;1438583867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00051534 = 8.1424 BTC [-] {3} 
1222978;1438584416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60750 @ 0.00053835 = 32.7048 BTC [+] {2} 
1222979;1438585270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.000524 = 23.0539 BTC [-] {3} 
1222980;1438586185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00052062 = 12.5469 BTC [-] {2} 
1222981;1438587649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.00053021 = 9.5926 BTC [+] {3} 
1222982;1438587893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28281 @ 0.0005356 = 15.1473 BTC [+] {3} 
1222983;1438588333;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/MOhuV7p.jpg
1222984;1438588333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uhr3C2 )
1222985;1438589540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00053608 = 12.3834 BTC [+] {3} 
1222986;1438590241;punkman;http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21660165-banking-scandal-set-bankrupt-europes-poorest-country-gutted
1222987;1438591131;jurov;so?
1222988;1438591163;jurov;czech nat'l bank sharply devalued their currency, without  any real reason
1222989;1438591168;jurov;recently
1222990;1438591178;jurov;only so that their balance sheet look right
1222991;1438591360;Apocalyptic;"without  any real reason" // I thought it was to boost export
1222992;1438591901;BingoBoingo;All kinds of reasons and no reasons
1222993;1438591951;jurov;exporters need *stable* favorable exchange rate, not such shenanigans
1222994;1438591974;jurov;and they import buch of stuff, too
1222995;1438592090;BingoBoingo;I for one welcome shenanigans as our new overlord
1222996;1438592144;jurov;of course, as you don't employ ppl and move stuff afaik
1222997;1438592163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00054073 = 5.948 BTC [+]
1222998;1438592166;BingoBoingo;Of course
1222999;1438592191;BingoBoingo;Much easier to leave stuff in place.
1223000;1438592278;BingoBoingo;Or to move people and employ stuff
1223001;1438592555;jurov;in other news, area fags organize group jerkoff devoted to putin :D
1223002;1438592578;cazalla;anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh install)
1223003;1438592580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0bBHB )
1223004;1438592585;jurov;obama can only dream of such
1223005;1438592590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00054133 = 16.3752 BTC [+] {3} 
1223006;1438592607;BingoBoingo;jurov: At his age isn't Putin too... shaved to be a bear? Pic related https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/3f/4c/bf3f4c4e4cbc909f957f939bb6bc7cc6.jpg
1223007;1438592608;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0bAn8 )
1223008;1438592661;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Record transactions crammed into a block. On the 0.11 was there an OOM kill?
1223009;1438592665;jurov;BingoBoingo: that's why is said fags, they like things immaculately shaved
1223010;1438592676;BingoBoingo;Ah.
1223011;1438592683;BingoBoingo;Twinks
1223012;1438592712;BingoBoingo;Though putin's a bit old to be a twink. A bit saggy too.
1223013;1438592728;cazalla;BingoBoingo, just quits with core dumps or database is corrupt and -reindex ends up shitting itself too.. blew 50gb with their latest client and it doesn't even work, makes me wonder if they've even tried to sync a fresh install with their latest version
1223014;1438592758;BingoBoingo;cazalla: This is interesting
1223015;1438593216;scoopbot_revived;UK's Cameron Threatens Online Porn Shutdown Unless Online ID Scheme Implemented http://qntra.net/2015/08/uks-cameron-threatens-online-porn-shutdown-unless-online-id-scheme-implemented/
1223016;1438593220;BingoBoingo;Because unicode http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2015/07/29/emoji-for-food-allergies-may-come-to-your-phone-soon/
1223017;1438593222;assbot;Emoji for food allergies may come to your phone soon ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0cqA7 )
1223018;1438593547;BingoBoingo;Ghostbusters arrived a bit early it seems http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--fixzXNha--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1368261340029528421.jpg
1223019;1438593548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0cPCM )
1223020;1438593566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00054518 = 12.5937 BTC [+] {3} 
1223021;1438593901;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i just linked that! but there is a better one https://i.imgur.com/QFetxTk.jpg
1223022;1438593902;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0diVv )
1223023;1438593904;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223013    <<< Mine does the same, db errors all around.
1223024;1438593904;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 09:05:28; cazalla: BingoBoingo, just quits with core dumps or database is corrupt and -reindex ends up shitting itself too.. blew 50gb with their latest client and it doesn't even work, makes me wonder if they've even tried to sync a fresh install with their latest version
1223025;1438593924;BingoBoingo;Ah I missed it
1223026;1438594022;cazalla;"Australia's second-largest capital registered 4.9 per cent home price growth in July".. to think 5% per year was obscene.. now 5% per month!
1223027;1438594036;BingoBoingo;cazalla shinohai: What version of Bitcoin are you getting these errors with?
1223028;1438594059;cazalla;0.8.3
1223029;1438594074;shinohai;BingoBoingo: v0.11.0 the latest. I have built twice, even tried the precompiled shit.
1223030;1438594107;BingoBoingo;Maybe it is time for you two to roll back to a more civilized Bitcoin.
1223031;1438594123;cazalla;but even trying 0.11.0, it can't even go from fresh install to latest block, tried twice, shit itself each time and rewind x amount of blocks and chewed more bandwidth before dying again
1223032;1438594139;shinohai;I still have 0.5.4 running, nw
1223033;1438594155;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i tried that weekend before last but unable to get up it up and running yet
1223034;1438594285;shinohai;http://cointelegraph.com/news/115024/btc-to-ripple-gateway-to-shut-down-for-all-us-customers?   <<<LOLOL
1223035;1438594286;assbot;BTC-to-Ripple Gateway to Shut Down for all US Customers ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKenQz )
1223036;1438594559;BingoBoingo;From last year so not news http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/10/black-open-carry-protesters-are-marching-against-police-brutality-and-the-media-is-silent/
1223037;1438595078;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
1223038;1438595091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00054631 = 19.8311 BTC [+] {4} 
1223039;1438595268;HeySteve;thanks, nice article on the UK porn
1223040;1438595335;HeySteve;Cameron is over 30 years late on the Big Brother thing but making up for lost time it seems
1223041;1438595390;BingoBoingo;Thanks
1223042;1438595428;BingoBoingo;To be fair though the UK got to practice for much of the 20th century on th eoccupied corner of Ireland
1223043;1438595483;HeySteve;apparently Windows 10 is a real security nightmare, it logs everything
1223044;1438595511;HeySteve;asked MS if they recommend it for Bitcoin use
1223045;1438595519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00052681 = 29.8174 BTC [-] {5} 
1223046;1438595522;HeySteve;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-02/surveillance-state-goes-mainstream-windows-10-watching-logging-everything
1223047;1438595522;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKgbsI )
1223048;1438595583;BingoBoingo;Well MS is probably going the Google/Android route. Less revenue from selling to users and more from selling the users.
1223049;1438595643;shinohai;https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/627954556782182400/photo/1
1223050;1438595677;HeySteve;heh yeah
1223051;1438595916;shinohai;Honestly, if you run bitcoin on Windows you deserve to be stolen from.
1223052;1438596008;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cod_6dsIsnE
1223053;1438596009;assbot;BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Sour Soul - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OKgLXv )
1223054;1438596453;BingoBoingo;!up Tykling
1223055;1438596464;BingoBoingo;!up Tyklol
1223056;1438596555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30266 @ 0.00054658 = 16.5428 BTC [+] {3} 
1223057;1438597104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00054732 = 15.1881 BTC [+] {3} 
1223058;1438597409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0005477 = 21.5246 BTC [+]
1223059;1438597653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.0005477 = 5.2579 BTC [+]
1223060;1438597836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.0005477 = 21.3603 BTC [+]
1223061;1438598477;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/incident_managers_pagerduty_pwned/
1223062;1438598478;assbot;PagerDuty hacked ... and finally comes clean 21 days later. Cheers • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1SABh3b )
1223063;1438598598;shinohai;hue
1223064;1438598659;chetty;hacking is really a sort of sport isn't it?
1223065;1438598803;punkman;some hunt for sport, some to eat
1223066;1438598934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0005477 = 6.4355 BTC [+]
1223067;1438598941;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/wiFN8rH.jpg
1223068;1438598942;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eNcV3k )
1223069;1438598986;shinohai;hacking *is* one of life's ultimate sports.
1223070;1438599087;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1223071;1438599088;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0564N6H.txt )
1223072;1438599594;shinohai;I give up, 0.11.0 is garbage
1223073;1438599666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00052163 = 26.9683 BTC [-] {2} 
1223074;1438599786;BingoBoingo;That's the spirit
1223075;1438599859;shinohai;Won't even sync to my own private chain, that being the only connection.
1223076;1438599902;BingoBoingo;Any idea where it fails out?
1223077;1438599952;shinohai;nope, ig ot so pissed when i woke up this morning i rm 0rf'd everything and started over
1223078;1438599981;shinohai;Super nested functions, ftw: https://i.imgur.com/dIUV7UM.png
1223079;1438599982;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAIP62 )
1223080;1438600124;BingoBoingo;Where is that mess?
1223081;1438600231;shinohai;i dunno, something i saw browsing imgur
1223082;1438600276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23136 @ 0.00054769 = 12.6714 BTC [+] {5} 
1223083;1438600303;shinohai;So Poloniex is no longer going to allow NY customers
1223084;1438600482;BingoBoingo;I thought maybe you'd spotted that mess in "Core"
1223085;1438600657;shinohai;It wouldn't surprise me if something like that *wasn't* there. Core is just far too cumbersome to be useful anymore :/
1223086;1438601489;shinohai;Someone needs to hack these things, and start a worldwide auto theft ring. https://i.imgur.com/TdxJqYE.webm
1223087;1438601492;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eNhU44 )
1223088;1438601557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23370 @ 0.00052002 = 12.1529 BTC [-]
1223089;1438601801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3530 @ 0.00052002 = 1.8357 BTC [-]
1223090;1438602149;shinohai;;;later tell trinque am i doing something wrong, or is deedbot down?
1223091;1438602150;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1223092;1438602317;shinohai;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2YX5S12.txt
1223093;1438602318;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0oSQD )
1223094;1438602319;deedbot-;imported: FDF63798C83A7B1375F72468E33585713E184252
1223095;1438602326;shinohai;well now
1223096;1438602346;trinque;wut
1223097;1438602390;trinque;looks like it ate your key just fine
1223098;1438602391;shinohai;Sorry, I just discovered deedbot doesnt like pms
1223099;1438602404;trinque;ah, yes, use it here please
1223100;1438602409;trinque;nice to have in the logs
1223101;1438602409;shinohai;kk
1223102;1438602887;jurov;shinohai that would work only for such flat surfaces. like, not 99% of streets
1223103;1438602923;shinohai;I'm sittin nearby with a getaway rollback xD
1223104;1438603059;jurov;also, got a stray thought, we'll certainly soon see RT airing how american drones abduct toddlers
1223105;1438603100;BingoBoingo;Prolly.
1223106;1438603120;jurov;if they haven't already
1223107;1438603176;jurov;maybe they prefer the drones to teach them masturbate, dunno
1223108;1438603204;BingoBoingo;Well it's cheaper than sending Angelina Jolie out to abduct children
1223109;1438603353;BingoBoingo;And more humane than the way the UK dispatches Gary Glitter to adbuct toddlers
1223110;1438603631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32672 @ 0.00053965 = 17.6314 BTC [+] {2} 
1223111;1438604119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00054461 = 24.9704 BTC [+]
1223112;1438605339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3078 @ 0.00054461 = 1.6763 BTC [+]
1223113;1438605522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00053133 = 19.1013 BTC [-]
1223114;1438605595;punkman;https://github.com/google/encrypted-bigquery-client/blob/master/tutorial.md
1223115;1438605596;assbot;encrypted-bigquery-client/tutorial.md at master · google/encrypted-bigquery-client · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGB4F1 )
1223116;1438605949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00052919 = 9.6842 BTC [-] {2} 
1223117;1438606986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94850 @ 0.00052069 = 49.3874 BTC [-] {4} 
1223118;1438607352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.000547 = 15.0972 BTC [+]
1223119;1438608694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00054742 = 27.4805 BTC [+] {3} 
1223120;1438609346;jurov;!up rdymac
1223121;1438609351;jurov;!up julmac
1223122;1438609445;BingoBoingo;!up kyuupichan
1223123;1438609487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10795 @ 0.0005477 = 5.9124 BTC [+] {2} 
1223124;1438609792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00053106 = 5.3637 BTC [-]
1223125;1438610322;rdymac;Any Rails dev here?
1223126;1438610640;BingoBoingo;Maybe?
1223127;1438610813;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
1223128;1438610813;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 09:02:58; cazalla: anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh insta
1223129;1438610965;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223046 << if 'nsakey' didn't make folks quit Running Moar Winblowz, why would the win10 keylogger ?
1223130;1438610965;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 09:52:02; HeySteve: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-02/surveillance-state-goes-mainstream-windows-10-watching-logging-everything
1223131;1438610965;shinohai;to double spend with ?
1223132;1438610998;asciilifeform;speaking of classic usg lulz, https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/03/life-unmasking-british-eavesdroppers
1223133;1438611001;assbot;My Life Unmasking British Eavesdroppers ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHyZcD )
1223134;1438611150;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: all 3 of my nodez are synced presently
1223135;1438611330;shinohai;asciilifeform: do those nodes all have separate ip's ?
1223136;1438611337;asciilifeform;yes
1223137;1438611341;kakobrekla;In primitive times it is perhaps expedient that rational knowledge should
1223138;1438611341;kakobrekla;be united with religion.  It is only by means of superstition that a rude
1223139;1438611341;kakobrekla;people can be induced to support, and a robber soldiery to respect, an
1223140;1438611341;kakobrekla;intellectual class. < how is this not the bezzle
1223141;1438611353;asciilifeform;shinohai: iirc kako posted links somewhere
1223142;1438611363;*;shinohai searches logs
1223143;1438611479;kakobrekla;shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-07-2015#1210789 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210798
1223144;1438611479;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 14:52:27; kakobrekla: ok, so theres now node1.b-a.link node2.b-a.link and node3.b-a.link
1223145;1438611479;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 14:58:22; kakobrekla: dulap.b-a.link, incitatus.b-a.link, zoolag.b-a.link is set
1223146;1438611486;asciilifeform;them
1223147;1438611498;asciilifeform;shinohai: please remember that therealbitcoin does not dns
1223148;1438611503;asciilifeform;ping'em
1223149;1438611554;shinohai;got 'em, and yeah i have only been syncing against mp's node
1223150;1438611622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00053106 = 2.6553 BTC [-]
1223151;1438611866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00051425 = 21.6499 BTC [-] {3} 
1223152;1438612343;BingoBoingo;http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/
1223153;1438612345;assbot;Electronic Warfare: What US Army Can Learn From Ukraine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlA9Ew )
1223154;1438612980;BingoBoingo;https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g4Bx5AGPXXM/VZmA-DQL6kI/AAAAAAAALoE/tIuqHi-SWDk/s1600/IMG_3231.JPG
1223155;1438612981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlC8Zx )
1223156;1438613313;shinohai;Got 4 good connections: http://i.imgur.com/rRiupsq.png?1
1223157;1438613314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlD7J7 )
1223158;1438613502;BingoBoingo;At the moment my getinfo looks like http://dpaste.com/1FN5D94
1223159;1438613504;assbot;dpaste: 1FN5D94 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlDJyv )
1223160;1438613543;shinohai;I just started syncing this one. Gonna take a minute :/
1223161;1438613584;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 et al: all 3 of my nodez are synced presently << good to know, thx for the update
1223162;1438613676;BingoBoingo;!up mike_c
1223163;1438613879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00051414 = 17.0694 BTC [-] {4} 
1223164;1438614085;shinohai;BingoBoingo: what's ur .conf look like
1223165;1438614110;BingoBoingo;boring
1223166;1438614157;BingoBoingo;addnode, addnode, minrelaytxfee=100000, etc
1223167;1438614320;BingoBoingo;100000 because the way I implemented the flag it is set in satoshis
1223168;1438614401;kakobrekla;as it should be
1223169;1438614441;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1223170;1438614441;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P7T9AY.txt )
1223171;1438614891;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/P95v3T0.png
1223172;1438614892;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlIeJy )
1223173;1438615102;punkman;http://unemployable.pen.io/
1223174;1438615103;assbot;The Unemployable Programmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlJ1df )
1223175;1438615133;punkman;"I'm also on fiverr.com now, a site where you can offer any service for  $5 a pop. I offer things like mini websites, setting up cloud servers,  and many other tech jobs. The reality is my expertise is barely even  worth $5 in today's market, so I frequently take on multi-hour horror  projects on fiverr just to make four bucks (they take $1 commission)"
1223176;1438616208;jcpham;woohoo
1223177;1438616236;jurov;hi cpham
1223178;1438616251;jcpham;howdy
1223179;1438616258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39078 @ 0.00052664 = 20.58 BTC [+] {5} 
1223180;1438616259;jcpham;so assbot is a full blown pita fork now
1223181;1438616275;jcpham;that's ok I just scripted it
1223182;1438616385;*;jurov imagines kakobrekla basking in rays of jcpham's warm approval
1223183;1438616423;jcpham;that's cute; i'm actually dumb don't mind me
1223184;1438616840;shinohai;http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/08/florida-cops-deaf-man-for-talking-too-loud/
1223185;1438616841;assbot;Florida Cops Shoot and Kill Deaf Man For ‘Talking Too Loud’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlOUHA )
1223186;1438617071;jcpham;thanks obama
1223187;1438617478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00053072 = 8.0935 BTC [+] {3} 
1223188;1438617675;jurov;what has obama to do with it?
1223189;1438617876;jcpham;when it's hot outside, you say "thanks obama"
1223190;1438618393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72814 @ 0.00053072 = 38.6438 BTC [+] {3} 
1223191;1438618629;jurov;lol, you can also call 201x children "obama's children"
1223192;1438618669;jurov;as was the lulzcustom here... i am "husak's child" after czechoslovak president
1223193;1438618809;jurov;actually he earned it, due to support for parents unmatched before or after
1223194;1438618831;jurov;so there was kinda baby boom
1223195;1438619003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77990 @ 0.00053126 = 41.433 BTC [+] {5} 
1223196;1438619247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79547 @ 0.00052084 = 41.4313 BTC [+] {7} 
1223197;1438619398;shinohai;Let's make bitcoin a Rube Goldberg machine: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fm2ws/is_blizzard_ever_going_to_accept_bitcoin_as_a/ctq0624
1223198;1438619399;assbot;brianddk comments on Is Blizzard ever going to accept bitcoin as a payment option for their games? : starcraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMkSkX )
1223199;1438619933;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222923 << http://trilema.com/2015/the-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-sunday-event/#comment-114947
1223200;1438619933;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 01:34:07; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-sunday-event/#selection-193.21-193.36 << got the sexpr ? hm ? HM ?
1223201;1438619934;assbot;The 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 Sunday event on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MI7y4g )
1223202;1438620467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00053245 = 7.9868 BTC [+]
1223203;1438620950;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1223204;1438621038;ascii_field;'As a final station, I'd like to describe what online freelancer markets look like for people like me. On freelancer.com and oDesk, you compete with hundreds of lowest-wage programmers from third world countries for exceedingly crappy "projects". It's an unmitigated race to the bottom. Even if I could land these jobs in an environment where the competition basically works for free, there is no way to make a living off
1223205;1438621038;ascii_field;this.'
1223206;1438621050;ascii_field;^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.
1223207;1438621117;kakobrekla;hed prolly make more in #b-a
1223208;1438621138;jurov;i was there. if you make a good job, after some months someone will adopt you and pay better
1223209;1438621203;ascii_field;kakobrekla: our zeroes are bigger than usg's!
1223210;1438621211;ascii_field;so in that sense, moar, aha
1223211;1438621214;jurov;funny i can't remember programmer being paid here?
1223212;1438621222;ascii_field;^^^^
1223213;1438621246;jurov;i will be paid *if* i someday make sense of eulora spaghetti client
1223214;1438621248;kakobrekla;didnt thet dude who made some charts noone is using get paid?
1223215;1438621254;ascii_field;'soviet elephants are the biggest elephantz!'
1223216;1438621256;jurov;i won't dare to compute hourly rate from that, tho
1223217;1438621263;ascii_field;^^^^
1223218;1438621265;kakobrekla;more than 4$
1223219;1438621285;danielpbarron;diana_coman got paid to write a crafter bot for eulora
1223220;1438621289;kakobrekla;anyway, there was some other dude collecting cv for bezzleworks here also ?
1223221;1438621317;ascii_field;kakobrekla: iirc nothing came of it
1223222;1438621330;ascii_field;danielpbarron: we're talking about money-one-could-live-on
1223223;1438621356;danielpbarron;the slithy toves she got as payment will let us continue doing stuff in eulora for at least the next few months
1223224;1438621361;jurov;and pay out debts
1223225;1438621370;ascii_field;and run electron microscope
1223226;1438621459;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223221 < iirc benkay refused a job the other day?
1223227;1438621459;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:01:57; ascii_field: kakobrekla: iirc nothing came of it
1223228;1438621473;kakobrekla;anyway, yeah our zeros are bigger than their zeros.
1223229;1438621482;kakobrekla;and taste better.
1223230;1438621483;ascii_field;bigger, faster, stronger (tm) (r)
1223231;1438621487;kakobrekla;:)
1223232;1438621508;kakobrekla;i think you forgot 'scooter'.
1223233;1438621559;kakobrekla;anyway, airplane wont help the man.
1223234;1438621580;ascii_field;!s joe stack
1223235;1438621581;assbot;19 results for 'joe stack' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=joe+stack
1223236;1438621587;ascii_field;airplane - helps.
1223237;1438621651;kakobrekla;ah that airplane.
1223238;1438621665;ascii_field;yes, it and only it.
1223239;1438621691;kakobrekla;yeah i get it, was thinking of the other one.
1223240;1438621729;ascii_field;and yes, i fully expect mircea_popescu to proclaim that mr. unemployableprogrammer is office plankton and ought to be boiled for soap
1223241;1438621767;ascii_field;and i can't be certain that he is wrong in the particular case
1223242;1438621816;ascii_field;but will note that i also expect to be boiled for soap.
1223243;1438621914;chetty;well the mr. unemployableprogrammer  would be better off flippin burgers
1223244;1438621962;danielpbarron;or gathering flotsam for me
1223245;1438622135;gernika;Some taleb talk posted here applies to this fellow - the applicable bit being that his main mistake was holding the same job for years - fragile strategy.
1223246;1438622188;trinque;if you don't have the relationships to find interesting work, what do you expect?
1223247;1438622342;gernika;Playing the craigslist lottery around here can sometimes result in surprising connections.
1223248;1438622357;trinque;yeah, I've found plenty of fine work that way
1223249;1438622358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00053758 = 6.0747 BTC [+] {4} 
1223250;1438622411;ascii_field;chetty: once he goes to the burgers (not a trivial feat as it may seem, you have to convincingly fake a 'blue-collar' background) - may as well eat pistol
1223251;1438622415;gernika;Perhaps this place is mortally ill, but some aspects of the disease are more interesting to treat than others.
1223252;1438622437;trinque;ascii_field: what is a php job but burger flipping?
1223253;1438622451;trinque;take trival db query, fart results into html, repeat til death
1223254;1438622453;ascii_field;trinque: have you done both ?
1223255;1438622459;trinque;never the burger flipping
1223256;1438622467;ascii_field;trinque: go, try. then report re: the difference.
1223257;1438622471;trinque;lol
1223258;1438622594;gernika;Realized at one point I would never even be able to work for a place such as Whole Foods - even if I wanted to.
1223259;1438622631;ascii_field;gernika: for the record, i once tried to get 'blue collar' work, and failed. turned away, 'overqualified, you'll leave as soon as you can'
1223260;1438622643;ascii_field;to avoid this, one has to be a first-class actor
1223261;1438622657;ascii_field;and if you are this kind of actor, can get lucrative gig in hollywood or cia
1223262;1438622675;ascii_field;otherwise, go, tell the truth about your biography, and starve.
1223263;1438622686;jurov;trinque i took an update of ancient j2ee app and clandestinely learned git, while on it. try such when flipping burgers.
1223264;1438622698;trinque;ascii_field: I don't expect for a moment that you could possibly fake "stupid"
1223265;1438622714;ascii_field;trinque: the acting is mostly so you can fake 'was always stupid'
1223266;1438622721;trinque;jurov: yeah that's a good point
1223267;1438622721;ascii_field;need convincing life history
1223268;1438622722;gernika;ascii_field I would probably need tribal piercings at a minimum to get a job at Whole Foods.  Much like inmates in prison indicate their dedication to their trade with facial tattoos.
1223269;1438622748;jurov;lol such fantasies
1223270;1438622764;trinque;jurov: but again, if you don't have friends doing anything interesting, doesn't matter how good you are at dwarf fortress
1223271;1438622790;jurov;trinque what do you mean?
1223272;1438622797;trinque;I loathe most people, yet being a competent coder without being able to communicate is impossible.
1223273;1438622809;jurov;i have learned the interesting stuff by myself, not fro friends
1223274;1438622815;trinque;ah I had mentors
1223275;1438622836;trinque;the unemployable thing strikes me as being socially dysfunctional
1223276;1438622917;jurov;maybe. i remembered one friend of mine who has similar difficulties
1223277;1438622925;punkman;trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor
1223278;1438622950;jurov;and he got ccna cert, then found out there's not many ciscoes out there
1223279;1438622968;jurov;i asked him to write eu project, he won't without micromanaging
1223280;1438622977;jurov;i asked him to learn python, not heard since
1223281;1438622988;chetty;ascii_field> trinque: go, try. then report re: the difference.// no substanstial difference, truck driving or lawn mowing are both improvements
1223282;1438623000;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1223283;1438623004;ascii_field;chetty: no.
1223284;1438623020;ascii_field;chetty: 1) they aren't indoors, air conditioned, WITHOUT TALKING TO FUCKING PEOPLE
1223285;1438623028;ascii_field;2) once you do these, pretty much condemned for life.
1223286;1438623048;ascii_field;though the truck has merits
1223287;1438623051;ascii_field;not much talkin'.
1223288;1438623058;ascii_field;i personally will try to drive a truck
1223289;1438623060;chetty;well now you are getting down to a matter of taste, I kinda liked truckin
1223290;1438623069;ascii_field;everyone likes trucking
1223291;1438623074;ascii_field;so i'll have to get in a long queue
1223292;1438623163;mike_c;hehe, step one for the installation of this product i want to try:   curl -L https://redacted.sh | sudo bash
1223293;1438623172;mike_c;um, no?
1223294;1438623188;ascii_field;l0l!
1223295;1438623230;punkman;that's pretty much everywhere these days
1223296;1438623247;jurov;sudo curl > /dev/hda is better
1223297;1438623249;mike_c;really?  i guess i'm getting too old for this stuff.
1223298;1438623338;kakobrekla;nah, you are just unemployable.
1223299;1438623352;jurov;!bash 2
1223300;1438623353;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FCVQQ2.txt )
1223301;1438623393;trinque;punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
1223302;1438623409;trinque;jurov: yeah, I have met the same type. he should've asked you for a task, and done it. only way to learn.
1223303;1438623416;mike_c;one of the things it does is run  apt-get update &> /dev/null
1223304;1438623424;mike_c;i mean, fuck you!  maybe i don't want to update everything
1223305;1438623439;jurov;care to share?
1223306;1438623464;mike_c;https://modeanalytics.com/
1223307;1438623466;assbot;Mode - The Collaborative Analytics Platform for Data Analysts ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlbFAA )
1223308;1438624427;ben_vulpes;this is the industry standard approach to the by-now-all-too-familiar-#b-a-bitcoin-dependency-problem
1223309;1438624433;ben_vulpes;s/problem/fun/
1223310;1438624453;ben_vulpes;"just clobber the lusers computer"
1223311;1438625042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9735 @ 0.00051951 = 5.0574 BTC [-]
1223312;1438626293;trinque;http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/08/03/us/ap-us-texas-attorney-general-investigation-the-latest.html?_r=0 << perhaps he's a fraudster, perhaps not. yet the other angle here might be that the Texas AG tends to spend quite a bit of time suing the federal government.
1223313;1438626296;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MIjcfv )
1223314;1438626323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7588 @ 0.00051951 = 3.942 BTC [-]
1223315;1438626750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49251 @ 0.00053422 = 26.3109 BTC [+] {5} 
1223316;1438626872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2849 @ 0.00054339 = 1.5481 BTC [+]
1223317;1438627970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00054408 = 10.6912 BTC [+] {2} 
1223318;1438628222;asciilifeform;!up Xplosionist
1223319;1438628250;Xplosionist;ty  hello all.
1223320;1438628283;kakobrekla;bomb squad?
1223321;1438628312;Xplosionist;no, just a very old name w/ a very strange source.  not meaningful in itself.
1223322;1438628336;kakobrekla;ah, I thought we should run.
1223323;1438628353;Xplosionist;maybe, but not for that reason...
1223324;1438628372;Xplosionist;i have a bitbet.us technical question.
1223325;1438628383;kakobrekla;aha?
1223326;1438628388;diametric;hi Xplosionist
1223327;1438628407;Xplosionist;after a bet is resolved, is there a place I can see the transactions for the payouts?
1223328;1438628430;Xplosionist;I see the links for the addresses, but I'd like to see the specific transaction of the pay-out listed.
1223329;1438628435;diametric;isn't it in the bet itself?
1223330;1438628461;kakobrekla;you can get the tx from that link?
1223331;1438628464;Xplosionist;nope, those all seem to be address based.
1223332;1438628488;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1223333;1438628489;kakobrekla;there is a link on b-c.info
1223334;1438628499;kakobrekla;that will take you to 'whole tx' view
1223335;1438628504;ascii_field;Xplosionist: use your favourite blockchain viewer to go from addr to tx
1223336;1438628565;kakobrekla;if you plan on automating it, there were cases where more than 1tx was needed to pay out all the winners
1223337;1438628569;Xplosionist;Yeah, the transactions don't show up in the address transaction list.  for a recently resolved bet, it may just be that the listed value hasn't actually been paid out yet?
1223338;1438628625;kakobrekla;Xplosionist yea, we added 2 days delay after resolution
1223339;1438628640;kakobrekla;http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
1223340;1438628641;assbot;Changing the BitBet resolution process. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnGAMr )
1223341;1438628665;Xplosionist;Ahh.  Okay then.  Of course, what's I'm looking at is resolved 1 day 22 hours ago.  lol  Figured.
1223342;1438628676;Xplosionist;Thanks for that pointer and answer, then.  That'd be it.
1223343;1438628683;kakobrekla;i should make it clear on site prolly.
1223344;1438628701;Xplosionist;I did look in the FAQ.  Maybe put it there.
1223345;1438628729;kakobrekla;hm
1223346;1438628735;kakobrekla;is should be
1223347;1438628737;kakobrekla;it*
1223348;1438628767;kakobrekla;Xplosionist https://bitbet.us/faq/#131
1223349;1438628767;assbot;FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1g1zdiQ )
1223350;1438628773;kakobrekla;middle paragraph
1223351;1438628917;Xplosionist;Ahh.  Okay.  Clearly I didn't read it carefully enough.  Although, I would suggest that making that detail more obvious might be of value.
1223352;1438628959;kakobrekla;in the queue
1223353;1438629049;Xplosionist;thanks again
1223354;1438629066;kakobrekla;yw
1223355;1438629312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00054225 = 20.4699 BTC [-] {3} 
1223356;1438629908;fluffypony;who was being DDoS'd recently
1223357;1438630776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.0005428 = 18.2924 BTC [+] {3} 
1223358;1438630791;kakobrekla;fluffypony mp is a safe bet
1223359;1438630832;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1223360;1438630897;ascii_field;kakobrekla: speaking of, old lulz, http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key << 'ROI 5345%'
1223361;1438630899;assbot;Bet 1144 Analysis - Phuctor will find a bad key - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1gF6pxq )
1223362;1438630904;ascii_field;anyone beat this record ?
1223363;1438630986;kakobrekla;hm, doubtful.
1223364;1438631594;diametric;!up Xplosionist
1223365;1438632058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00054295 = 5.5598 BTC [+]
1223366;1438632546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36724 @ 0.00053102 = 19.5012 BTC [-] {3} 
1223367;1438632912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00052257 = 3.6319 BTC [+]
1223368;1438633095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88050 @ 0.0005444 = 47.9344 BTC [+] {4} 
1223369;1438635108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00051943 = 12.2845 BTC [-]
1223370;1438635416;shinohai;!up a3voices
1223371;1438636450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00054702 = 12.9917 BTC [+] {3} 
1223372;1438636938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00054864 = 19.8882 BTC [+] {5} 
1223373;1438637792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6921 @ 0.00052962 = 3.6655 BTC [-]
1223374;1438638890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00054923 = 3.4052 BTC [+] {3} 
1223375;1438638974;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1223376;1438638981;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 283.79, vol: 6269.48485948 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 280.543, vol: 5377.32137 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 284.17, vol: 14828.77705664 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 279.26, vol: 0.49418072 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 281.94642, vol: 10403.61250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 283.87017, vol: 18.34282738 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 288.556784989, vol: 39.34371957 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1223377;1438638989;BingoBoingo;;;more
1223378;1438638989;gribble;average: 282.955659636
1223379;1438640415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00052733 = 14.5016 BTC [-] {3} 
1223380;1438640964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9019 @ 0.00053415 = 4.8175 BTC [+]
1223381;1438641452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15642 @ 0.00051944 = 8.1251 BTC [-] {2} 
1223382;1438641819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00051943 = 23.1925 BTC [-] {4} 
1223383;1438642062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00053415 = 12.2587 BTC [+]
1223384;1438642611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30252 @ 0.00054122 = 16.373 BTC [+] {3} 
1223385;1438643648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59960 @ 0.00053203 = 31.9005 BTC [-] {2} 
1223386;1438644258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10206 @ 0.00054777 = 5.5905 BTC [+]
1223387;1438644259;scoopbot_revived;No, you don't understand elite discontent. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/03/no-you-dont-understand-elite-discontent/
1223388;1438645173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00054879 = 18.9333 BTC [+] {3} 
1223389;1438646881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00054164 = 4.0623 BTC [-]
1223390;1438647141;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222933 << what do you want, names and fb pics ?
1223391;1438647141;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 02:08:02; asciilifeform: what layer.
1223392;1438647256;shinohai;wb mircea_popescu, when you have time I need a eulora pass
1223393;1438647266;mircea_popescu;alrighjty, one second
1223394;1438647300;shinohai;kk
1223395;1438647648;scoopbot_revived;Prophylaxis http://trilema.com/2015/prophylaxis/
1223396;1438647716;mircea_popescu;shinohai http://dpaste.com/0R58Y1F
1223397;1438647718;assbot;dpaste: 0R58Y1F ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5OSbH )
1223398;1438647726;mircea_popescu;ima be in the game in half hour give you some noob items to get started.
1223399;1438647735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00053745 = 6.2344 BTC [-] {2} 
1223400;1438647753;shinohai;sweet thx
1223401;1438647801;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222990 << dawg what are you talkin about ?! THAT is the reason.
1223402;1438647801;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 08:39:38; jurov: only so that their balance sheet look right
1223403;1438647814;mircea_popescu;it is the only conceivable reason and absolutely utterly sufficient.
1223404;1438647864;mircea_popescu;if the natl bank balance sheet doesn't look right, everyone can go bite a steel girder.
1223405;1438647873;mircea_popescu;and chew on it, happily, until such a time the balance sheet looks right.
1223406;1438648022;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << the scam bitcoin the power rangers are pushing is known-broken, in that it can't actually verify the bitcoin blockchain.
1223407;1438648022;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 09:02:58; cazalla: anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh insta
1223408;1438648057;mircea_popescu;why exactly your thing is stuck is unclear. you can either build stator and use the same blk stuff, which will work ; or else wipe them and start over from one of the foundation nodes, which will also work.
1223409;1438648081;mircea_popescu;the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
1223410;1438648195;mircea_popescu;"In November, thieves stole $1 billion from Moldova�s three biggest banks through a series of fraudulent loans and transfers. Moldova, sandwiched between Romania and Ukraine, is the poorest country in Europe; the theft amounted to more than an eighth of GDP. It has set in train a series of events that will leave the government unable to pay salaries by the end of the summer, according to the recently departed finance
1223411;1438648195;mircea_popescu; minister."
1223412;1438648196;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1223413;1438648217;mircea_popescu;"thieves". the moldovan equivalents of the ukrainian oligarchs just ran off with the loot.
1223414;1438648225;mircea_popescu;rather than risk it.
1223415;1438648228;shinohai;Hmmm. i think I have incorrect video drivers, but pass works, thanks
1223416;1438648356;mircea_popescu;what'sthe symptoms ?
1223417;1438648448;shinohai;./eu.sh: line 3: 12524 Segmentation fault      ./euclient
1223418;1438648454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223048 << word.
1223419;1438648454;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 09:53:03; BingoBoingo: Well MS is probably going the Google/Android route. Less revenue from selling to users and more from selling the users.
1223420;1438648459;mircea_popescu;shinohai ah, just try again
1223421;1438648467;shinohai;kk
1223422;1438648476;mircea_popescu;the client's pretty shitty, it has at least two race conditions in it that yield that .
1223423;1438648543;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223061 << i kinda have grown to like the self-absorbed srs this type of schmucks radiate every time they get fucked.
1223424;1438648543;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 10:41:17; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/incident_managers_pagerduty_pwned/
1223425;1438648554;mircea_popescu;"oh we r rly srs security bidniss".
1223426;1438648564;mircea_popescu;reminds me of "Bitcoin Security Group" lolz.
1223427;1438648676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223127 << most for inertia, some for lolz.
1223428;1438648676;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
1223429;1438648683;*;williamdunne would be interested in seeing Eurola corporations, with EEX to go with it
1223430;1438648720;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223129 << that didn't really happen and also some researchers published their research about it first but it wasn't published nor was it correct etc.
1223431;1438648720;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 14:09:25; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223046 << if 'nsakey' didn't make folks quit Running Moar Winblowz, why would the win10 keylogger ?
1223432;1438648731;mircea_popescu;williamdunne prolly gonna happen
1223433;1438648809;williamdunne;At what point does it stop being considered a game for legal reasons?
1223434;1438648818;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223140 << but it is.
1223435;1438648818;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 14:15:41; kakobrekla: intellectual class. < how is this not the bezzle
1223436;1438648831;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i eat the world, the world doesn't eat me.
1223437;1438648839;mircea_popescu;"legal reasons" stop being considered anything but a game.
1223438;1438648953;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223149 << for the record, mp's node found a new suspicious block at 365009, will be sitting there a bit.
1223439;1438648953;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 14:19:14; shinohai: got 'em, and yeah i have only been syncing against mp's node
1223440;1438648977;williamdunne;Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity
1223441;1438649029;mircea_popescu;more interesting is how the in-game world would handle the "regulatory body", imo
1223442;1438649037;mircea_popescu;i really don't give a shit for the other side of the coin
1223443;1438649077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7781 @ 0.00053328 = 4.1495 BTC [+] {3} 
1223444;1438649080;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223175 << and he's among the better ones. a dollar a day is really above the work value of most people.
1223445;1438649080;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 15:18:53; punkman: "I'm also on fiverr.com now, a site where you can offer any service for  $5 a pop. I offer things like mini websites, setting up cloud servers,  and many other tech jobs. The reality is my expertise is barely even  worth $5 in today's market, so I frequently take on multi-hour horror  projects on fiverr just to make four bucks (they take $1 commission)"
1223446;1438649131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223188 << he's the us putin. his fault when any public employee fucks up anything.
1223447;1438649131;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 16:01:15; jurov: what has obama to do with it?
1223448;1438649261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00054806 = 3.261 BTC [+]
1223449;1438649328;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223204 << this is not actually true. i have had slavegirls make a living off those things, as a learning exercise. disciplined work ethic earns a very decent living, and forever will. the problem is that for most white adolescents/young adults, that work ethic has to be supported with daily beatings for the first quarter at least.
1223450;1438649328;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:18; ascii_field: 'As a final station, I'd like to describe what online freelancer markets look like for people like me. On freelancer.com and oDesk, you compete with hundreds of lowest-wage programmers from third world countries for exceedingly crappy "projects". It's an unmitigated race to the bottom. Even if I could land these jobs in an environment where the competition basically works for free, there is no way to ma
1223451;1438649332;mircea_popescu;so, no.
1223452;1438649346;mircea_popescu;he's just being a passive-agressive, self-entitled, delusional western schmuck.
1223453;1438649375;mircea_popescu;let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
1223454;1438649394;mircea_popescu;then he gets the question again, see if the answer's changed any.
1223455;1438649431;mircea_popescu;and no, i wouldn't buy him the sandpaper to grind down his glans penis with.
1223456;1438649437;mircea_popescu;let him fucking beg for it.
1223457;1438649487;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?
1223458;1438649487;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:00:46; jurov: i will be paid *if* i someday make sense of eulora spaghetti client
1223459;1438649657;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223440 << stuff in Eulora *is* actual economic activity
1223460;1438649657;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 00:42:57; williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity
1223461;1438649685;williamdunne;danielpbarron: m'point
1223462;1438649687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00051944 = 6.7008 BTC [-] {2} 
1223463;1438650419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00051944 = 7.3241 BTC [-] {2} 
1223464;1438650518;BingoBoingo;Can't tell if real or fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fottn/cointelegraphcom_is_shutting_down_cutting_all/
1223465;1438650520;assbot;CoinTelegraph.com is shutting down, cutting all non-writer salary to zero.... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SENu6Y )
1223466;1438651884;danielpbarron;lol i met one of their authors
1223467;1438651890;danielpbarron;at porcfest
1223468;1438651896;danielpbarron;told her she should write for qntra instead
1223469;1438651944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00054805 = 6.7958 BTC [+] {2} 
1223470;1438651970;BingoBoingo;And her reaction?
1223471;1438652076;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well... hm.
1223472;1438652080;mircea_popescu;they were paying salaries ?!
1223473;1438652165;mircea_popescu;July�s advertising revenue was 3,700 USD, therefore the budget allocated for content for August will be 3,700 USD.
1223474;1438652173;mircea_popescu;bnwbahahahaa wut
1223475;1438652179;BingoBoingo;Since scoopy seems to be dragging ass http://qntra.net/2015/08/os-x-flaw-in-the-wild-abuses-error-logging-function-to-edit-sudoers/
1223476;1438652180;assbot;OS X Flaw in the Wild Abuses Error Logging Function to Edit sudoers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SET9Kh )
1223477;1438652188;mircea_popescu;isthis from something-ads paying 0.01 btc sort-of ?
1223478;1438652215;BingoBoingo;It's probably fiat from fiat scammers wanting "exposure" at any price
1223479;1438652226;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, she was polite but not enthusiastic about the proposal
1223480;1438652234;BingoBoingo;Eh, her loss
1223481;1438652250;mircea_popescu;"In spit of these events, we hope that CT will be able to continue pursuing its strategic of increasing it�s market share and become the one-stop news source for the crypto-community. We wish you to remain strong in spirit and for a quick market recovery." << i suppose the tie-in is something like "small blocks made our shit blog ad revenue shrink in an imaginary market that doesn't exist but we hallucinated into bei
1223482;1438652250;mircea_popescu;ng anyweay"
1223483;1438652281;mircea_popescu;it'd be great if they pursued their "strategic" of learning how to sp'eal i'ts wordses an sheit
1223484;1438652626;BingoBoingo;!up scthoopbot
1223485;1438652657;decimation;lol 3700 usd budget
1223486;1438652664;decimation;do they have more than one employee?
1223487;1438652708;decimation;'we r poor folks about bitcoin!'
1223488;1438652792;decimation;imagine actual people in Victorian Britain asking the assistant scullery maid what she thought about finance
1223489;1438652858;williamdunne;thanks boingo, dw though doesn't need voice for now. Just the beginning stages
1223490;1438652914;BingoBoingo;Ah, cool
1223491;1438652958;decimation;http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/11/07/the-rising-age-gap-in-economic-well-being/ < speaking of which
1223492;1438652959;assbot;The Rising Age Gap in Economic Well-Being | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1SEW5qb )
1223493;1438653490;decimation;"In 2009, households headed by adults ages 65 and older possessed 42% more median1 net worth (assets minus debt) than households headed by their same-aged counterparts had in 1984. During this same period, the wealth of households headed by younger adults moved in the opposite direction. In 2009, households headed by adults younger than 35 had 68% less wealth than households of their same-aged counterparts had in 1984."
1223494;1438653533;decimation;you know, people say that bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, but really USD is the world's largest ponzi scheme - and keeps growing
1223495;1438653654;mircea_popescu;schtooopbot hahaha
1223496;1438653681;mircea_popescu;so i hear it from a trustworthy source in sweden that the local libertards have come up woith this idea to replace whatever word is used for cunt with "snipa" which apparently means sparkle
1223497;1438653694;mircea_popescu;there's the usual assortment of imbeciles trumpeting their incredible success whatever, uninteresting.
1223498;1438653704;decimation;because 'cunt' offends womyn?
1223499;1438653704;mircea_popescu;what IS interesting is that apparently the legendary snipe was found
1223500;1438653707;mircea_popescu;in sweden.
1223501;1438653745;mircea_popescu;decimation probably it's like rape or who knows. causes global warmyng.
1223502;1438653761;decimation;actually it's because the womyn in question don't have cunts
1223503;1438653787;mircea_popescu;sexperience begs to differ.
1223504;1438653821;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223244 << incidentally, this probably pays better than odesk.
1223505;1438653821;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:12:42; danielpbarron: or gathering flotsam for me
1223506;1438653921;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.
1223507;1438653921;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:24:58; trinque: ascii_field: I don't expect for a moment that you could possibly fake "stupid"
1223508;1438653974;mircea_popescu;decimation that quote says to me "kids of today r tarded"
1223509;1438653982;mircea_popescu;unsurprising data is unsurprising. they are.
1223510;1438654033;decimation;yeah, kinda.  it goes to your point earlier with ascii - doing financial analysis the main business of the us is printing usd
1223511;1438654057;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223269 << no, there's some substance to their wails. you're thinking the very open and socially mobile eastern europe. they live in the solidified shitbrains puritan us
1223512;1438654057;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:25:48; jurov: lol such fantasies
1223513;1438654083;mircea_popescu;decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
1223514;1438654101;mircea_popescu;(they aren't, they're just much better at not giving away their value for them)
1223515;1438654150;decimation;true, but they also get direct payments through taxes, and indirect payments through money printing pumping up real estate assets
1223516;1438654151;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223277 << this is a major problem. for argentines too. they can't get anywhere because all the people they know are just as fucktarded as them.
1223517;1438654151;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:28:45; punkman: trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor
1223518;1438654157;mircea_popescu;increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too.
1223519;1438654176;mircea_popescu;decimation and medical bills.
1223520;1438654181;BingoBoingo;It is beyond a problem here
1223521;1438654189;mircea_popescu;young people can fuck, don't need to eat and don't get sick.
1223522;1438654194;mircea_popescu;hard to overcome these structurally.
1223523;1438654222;decimation;yeah, but old folks can ensure they get their pound of flesh
1223524;1438654260;mircea_popescu;decimation consider the problem properly. remember me unkindly observing about kim kardashian that http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-85.0-89.63 ?
1223525;1438654261;assbot;Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SF1uNW )
1223526;1438654288;mircea_popescu;explain this to me. how is it possible that 99 out of 100 richeest households in the us aren'ty headed by a 35 yo female, ex whore ?
1223527;1438654302;decimation;your selection thing doesn't work on my browser
1223528;1438654308;mircea_popescu;obviously, 1% richest would be the strato-rich, sure, ok.
1223529;1438654316;mircea_popescu;but the remainder, ALL the upper middle class, should be kims.
1223530;1438654321;mircea_popescu;the only ones with something still to sell.
1223531;1438654327;mircea_popescu;why aren't they ? why some pruny old dude ?
1223532;1438654345;asciilifeform;if there were even 100x as many 'kims', the product they sell would be worth $0. like the poor programmer
1223533;1438654346;mircea_popescu;You may think that point-whatever billion is hardly worth the mention, after all I'm white and male and go with the tech stuffs, rather than almost-not-black and female, going with the cocksucking-and-other-homemaking-stuff. You know, cheap textile "labels", perfumes, the Martha Stewart lot. Like this chick :
1223534;1438654347;mircea_popescu;So it's all right and pooper that I'd be dealing in the tens of billions while her net worth is in the tens of millions, roughly enough to buy a whole closet where she lives. Right ?
1223535;1438654352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so.
1223536;1438654363;mircea_popescu;a brothel does not lower the per-capita value of the individual whores.
1223537;1438654365;asciilifeform;even now, who the fuck ~pays~ to see naked gurlz
1223538;1438654368;mircea_popescu;but ehances it.
1223539;1438654378;mircea_popescu;that's not what this is.
1223540;1438654396;mircea_popescu;i said "Something to sell", i didn't say nudity. that's free.
1223541;1438654403;asciilifeform;then what ?
1223542;1438654407;mircea_popescu;you being seen with them.
1223543;1438654411;mircea_popescu;social proof.
1223544;1438654414;asciilifeform;why would i pay for that
1223545;1438654422;asciilifeform;or are they all to move to egypt
1223546;1438654422;mircea_popescu;because you understand how things work.
1223547;1438654431;decimation;plenty of 'homemakers' are poor in the us
1223548;1438654459;mircea_popescu;decimation not the question. the question is why is anyone else on the "just about rich" lists outside of these women.
1223549;1438654470;mircea_popescu;why are atheltes poor if the stench of cunt bothers you, same argument.
1223550;1438654474;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223453 << who, precisely, will pay to see ~this~? mircea_popescu ?
1223551;1438654474;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 00:49:35; mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
1223552;1438654485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc i have, sort-of.
1223553;1438654551;asciilifeform;now, not swinging that way, i cannot say for certain how saturated the gay pr0n market is, but will observe that they lack the sexual starvation of the straight
1223554;1438654581;asciilifeform;so my naive guess would be that it is an even tougher sell
1223555;1438654591;asciilifeform;in terms of 'make a living'
1223556;1438654599;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223293 << the exact sort of thing that prompted my earlier "everyone is retarded" stuff.
1223557;1438654599;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:32:52; mike_c: um, no?
1223558;1438654623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you've reconstructed the discussion into a strawman and are getting the results you expected from it.
1223559;1438654668;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 < that.
1223560;1438654668;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
1223561;1438654727;asciilifeform;no, elementary question. are there enough gay pr0nd0ll4rz to feed all the mr.unemployableprogrammerz riding their sandpaper dildos
1223562;1438654778;asciilifeform;and, unlike the gurlz, these folks don't add to anyone's 'social level' by being seen with them (perhaps in rome ? but today?)
1223563;1438654809;decimation;well, there's also the social status of being the old jew who owns reddit
1223564;1438654824;asciilifeform;decimation: he doesn't have to feed the birds
1223565;1438654855;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: 'zoolag' is down and will remain down for several hours. this is a planned outage.
1223566;1438655334;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223513 << umm, yes, they are. they are the folks who own (when they do) real estate, which is nearly the only thing which came close to keeping up with true inflation; they are also the folks who own stocks; etc
1223567;1438655334;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 02:08:03; mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
1223568;1438655354;asciilifeform;people who were there for the tail end of american economy being something like functional
1223569;1438655360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00052357 = 3.22 BTC [-]
1223570;1438655407;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, that was my point..
1223571;1438655446;decimation;this is why I find the baby boomer whining about old people medical care and old people direct payments
1223572;1438655536;asciilifeform;decimation: the whining, by and large, is coming from the ones who owe $maxint to the medical charlatans and are unhappy that it is coming out of 'their' bezzle rather than the treasury
1223573;1438655541;decimation;"keep mailing us your taxes, your missing bank interest, and your real estate equity.  Someone will totally mail you theirs when we are dead!"
1223574;1438655570;decimation;!up Michail1
1223575;1438655611;decimation;asciilifeform: not that they had children who were raised to be +ev so they could afford to whipe dad's ass when he's old"
1223576;1438655639;asciilifeform;decimation: what the hell does it even mean to be +ev in modern usa?
1223577;1438655646;asciilifeform;it is approximately the same as asking who is +ev in prison
1223578;1438655652;decimation;be on the receiving end of the above payments
1223579;1438655658;asciilifeform;yes, a handful of thugs end up with the lion's share
1223580;1438655671;decimation;which means you need to have a house bought before 1980 and be older than 65
1223581;1438655709;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah except if you read my initial link, old people have 47x more wealth than <35
1223582;1438655715;asciilifeform;aha
1223583;1438655719;decimation;it's not mysterious who this '1%' are
1223584;1438655783;decimation;I suppose my hypothesis is that if assets were demoninated in actual hard currency they wouldn't be able to run this kind of ponzi
1223585;1438655802;asciilifeform;see where the 47x figure will go if you discount houses.
1223586;1438655813;asciilifeform;(or if anything like most of'em tried to cash in)
1223587;1438655813;decimation;yeah home equity is most of it
1223588;1438655840;decimation;but home equity comes from bank debt, which comes from the combination of how much maturity transformation is allowed and how much money the fed prints..
1223589;1438655913;asciilifeform;real estate 'wealth' is the ultimate bezzle, nothing like 400,000 time the N of houses in $sector is even available as 'turkey-buying dollars'
1223590;1438656030;asciilifeform;let's work a gedankenexperiment:
1223591;1438656043;asciilifeform;say my neighbour, 86-year-old mr schmuckson, sells his house
1223592;1438656053;asciilifeform;he now has 400k
1223593;1438656056;asciilifeform;what can he do with it?
1223594;1438656073;decimation;well, to go to mircea's point, he can't buy 30 year old health
1223595;1438656084;asciilifeform;he can... die? then the 400k becomes 0, it pays off mr schmuckson jr.'s college loans
1223596;1438656086;asciilifeform;and car loans
1223597;1438656096;asciilifeform;say he isn't ready to die yet
1223598;1438656099;asciilifeform;he can buy... stocks ?
1223599;1438656104;asciilifeform;same result
1223600;1438656132;decimation;let's be more reasonable and say he's 65
1223601;1438656146;asciilifeform;what he is actually going to buy, in likelihood, is a few years of nursing home.
1223602;1438656149;decimation;he could buy yacht
1223603;1438656154;asciilifeform;(automagically costs $networth in most states)
1223604;1438656158;decimation;yes that's likely
1223605;1438656164;asciilifeform;poof. bezzle - gone.
1223606;1438656177;asciilifeform;it went to the same place the electric current in the neutral phase of your mains socket goes.
1223607;1438656190;asciilifeform;a minus sign.
1223608;1438656204;decimation;asciilifeform: I made this point awhile ago about 'roth' ira accounts
1223609;1438656207;asciilifeform;it 'returns to dust' because 'from dust it came'
1223610;1438656215;asciilifeform;as it must.
1223611;1438656218;decimation;they are better in the sense that usg promises not to charge further tax
1223612;1438656241;asciilifeform;picture if the whole idiocy asylum of mr. schmucksons tried to cash in their 400k each and buy turkeys
1223613;1438656245;asciilifeform;or even rockets for isis
1223614;1438656263;decimation;you can even give to schmuckson jr - but as soon as he gets his hands on it the clock starts
1223615;1438656269;decimation;minimum distributions must be made
1223616;1438656275;asciilifeform;it'll go straight to his creditors
1223617;1438656284;asciilifeform;what's left, will buy him a house
1223618;1438656288;asciilifeform;to play the cycle again
1223619;1438656291;gernika;Not much of it would make it to schmuckson jr after gift tax
1223620;1438656294;decimation;no my point is that usg demands jr drains the account
1223621;1438656308;decimation;why put that provision in the law at all?
1223622;1438656326;asciilifeform;decimation: so the current can return to the earth
1223623;1438656332;decimation;unless you were intentionally ensuring that 'schmucksons' couldn't become wealthy enough to tell usg to fuck off...
1223624;1438656428;decimation;but to connect with your point, clearly as long as you are wholly owned by usg, doing business in its monopoly money, don't be surprised when 'it giveth and taketh away'
1223625;1438656437;asciilifeform;aha.
1223626;1438656478;decimation;if nursing home, doctor, real estate - had to be paid for in gold that couldn't be magicked into existance, the prices would change rapidly...
1223627;1438656493;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223506 << i've said it before, will say again: if you can fake your way out of 'overqualified, go away' when applying to be a cook or street sweeper, you can and will work profitably in hollywood or cia
1223628;1438656493;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 02:05:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.
1223629;1438656534;decimation;plus you would need fake 'blue collar' credentials
1223630;1438656538;asciilifeform;aha
1223631;1438656565;asciilifeform;let's say i pretend my diploma never happened, and my whole adult life of working r&d never happened
1223632;1438656570;asciilifeform;what do i pretend instead ?
1223633;1438656577;decimation;didn't last psychiatrist have a post about what is needed to 'prove' you are 'poor'?  like no job, ever?
1223634;1438656580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2508 @ 0.00054806 = 1.3745 BTC [+]
1223635;1438656594;asciilifeform;^ that was for 'disability pension' from usg
1223636;1438656602;decimation;asciilifeform: since you already have a record of paying taxes you can't fake disability
1223637;1438656605;asciilifeform;aha
1223638;1438656611;asciilifeform;but i was speaking of more mundane situation
1223639;1438656641;asciilifeform;where you walk in to a 'cooks wanted', 'i need a job', they: 'you will leave as soon as you find work programming again, go away now'
1223640;1438656666;asciilifeform;meanwhile behind you is a queue of fifty actual cooks
1223641;1438656783;decimation;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/getting-job-mcdonalds-harder-getting-accepted-ivy-league "In 2011, McDonald's announced it would hire 50,000 new employees on April 19 for its National Hiring Day. They eventually hired 62,000 people. Over 1 million people applied. This is noteworthy because many commentators have accused the unemployed of being lazy and unwilling to work."
1223642;1438656784;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIFUBA )
1223643;1438656791;asciilifeform;aha, this.
1223644;1438656826;asciilifeform;how many of the 62k had computer science degrees ?
1223645;1438656829;asciilifeform;and of the 1m ?
1223646;1438656852;asciilifeform;~i~ wouldn't hire'em if i were them, either.
1223647;1438656868;asciilifeform;ethnic helots only plz!
1223648;1438656884;decimation;yeah exactly
1223649;1438656886;asciilifeform;folks who won't hate you for paying them starvation wage, who won't pack up at dawn at the first sign of 'real' work
1223650;1438656919;decimation;they will apply and qualify for the appropriate gov't subsidies too
1223651;1438656924;asciilifeform;aha
1223652;1438656939;asciilifeform;no expectation of paid time off, or health insurances
1223653;1438656997;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/28/wal-mart-has-a-lower-acceptance-rate-than-harvard/ "Last year when Wal-Mart came to D.C. there were over 23,000 applications for 600 jobs. That's an acceptance rate of 2.6%, twice as selective as Harvard's and over five times as choosy as Cornell."
1223654;1438656998;assbot;Wal-Mart has a lower acceptance rate than Harvard - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIGfV0 )
1223655;1438657026;asciilifeform;this is probably why mircea_popescu suggested that they ought to compete for who can most creatively mutilate his cock on camera, rather than apply to 'walmart'
1223656;1438657045;decimation;asciilifeform: the raw fact is that around 60-70% of the us 18-65 population is only capable of 'unskilled' labor of this type at best
1223657;1438657053;asciilifeform;at best.
1223658;1438657072;asciilifeform;but the article linked earlier was about something else
1223659;1438657090;asciilifeform;craftsmen (programmer) for whom there is no economy to work in
1223660;1438657121;asciilifeform;it is very easy to dismiss mr.unemployable as 'plankton' without knowing anything about him
1223661;1438657135;asciilifeform;but the problem is not limited to plankton
1223662;1438657152;asciilifeform;just as it was not the worst, by any reasonable measure, soviet physicists, who ended up driving cabs or drinking to death
1223663;1438657155;decimation;especially if he doesn't want to keep to a 'push shit out the door we'll fix it later' schedule
1223664;1438657178;asciilifeform;yes, mircea_popescu will probably say that a microscope that is not also a hammer is a worthless thing and ought never to have been considered a microscope
1223665;1438657198;asciilifeform;all i can say to this is - don't lend mircea_popescu yer microscopez
1223666;1438657230;asciilifeform;(not that he needs'em for anything, but might not resist urge to discover if it was a true microscope in the sense of cracking a skull well)
1223667;1438657246;decimation;asciilifeform: somewhat related, I was reading about system 360 earlier today
1223668;1438657264;decimation;interestingly even though there were many thousands made, hardly any survive
1223669;1438657274;asciilifeform;just same as 'cray'
1223670;1438657288;asciilifeform;or for that matter, very few symbolics lisp machines survive in working order
1223671;1438657295;asciilifeform;even though they were much more compact than a 360
1223672;1438657326;asciilifeform;helps to recall that neither was a 'mass' item in the modern sense
1223673;1438657330;asciilifeform;a few thou. sold
1223674;1438657336;asciilifeform;iirc.
1223675;1438657368;decimation;yeah there's a smbx 3600 keyboard on ebay for 1800
1223676;1438657375;asciilifeform;wat?!!!
1223677;1438657377;decimation;and a working 'macivory' for 6800
1223678;1438657382;*;asciilifeform blows dust off smbx keyboardz
1223679;1438657407;decimation;http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-3600-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD-/321810769726
1223680;1438657409;assbot;RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine Keyboard | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIDp1 )
1223681;1438657429;decimation;http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-LISP-MACHINE-MACIVORY-III-APPLE-MACINTOSH-QUADRA-950-/221830615247
1223682;1438657431;assbot;Vintage Computer Symbolics Lisp Machine Macivory III Apple Macintosh Quadra 950 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIEtd )
1223683;1438657431;asciilifeform;l0l!!!
1223684;1438657436;decimation;who knows what they are gonna get
1223685;1438657448;asciilifeform;last i checked, david schmidt will sell these for ~200 or so
1223686;1438657452;asciilifeform;perhaps he ran out
1223687;1438657509;gernika;Following up on the "programmer lock-in" thread.  Let's say you somehow saved up some capital and want to get out.  What do you buy with the small amount of capital?  Convencience store?  Restaurant?  Who will work there?  Not your cousin from India - you're 3rd gen. American/Brittish/Whatever.
1223688;1438657526;asciilifeform;incidentally, to my knowledge all published schematics for that keyboard are plagiarized from my reversed drawing: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png
1223689;1438657527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIQZq )
1223690;1438657610;decimation;gernika: that's kinda the point of the earlier converation.  as long as you count your wealth in usd, you are owned by usg and are wealthy at their pleasure
1223691;1438657710;gernika;decimation You're right I see the tie-in.
1223692;1438657781;decimation;asciilifeform: but the point I was making with the s/360 is that apparently the one the FAA used for ARTCC was a 'triplex' computer with full voting!
1223693;1438657804;asciilifeform;'tandem' used to make a mini with triplexing
1223694;1438657811;decimation;no wonder it took them 40 years to 'replace' it
1223695;1438657830;decimation;some pictures http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/3-1.htm
1223696;1438657831;assbot;IBM 360 display left ... ( http://bit.ly/1III3NR )
1223697;1438657849;decimation;I would bet $20 that they aren't gonna use a 'triplex' computer to replace it
1223698;1438657923;asciilifeform;no shit.
1223699;1438658080;decimation;I actually visited a fully-operating s/360 working at an faa ARTCC as a youth
1223700;1438658104;decimation;the most impressive thing was the wall of lead-acid batteries - meant to run the thing for 10 minutes while the generators kicked-on
1223701;1438658122;asciilifeform;eh, that's still sop
1223702;1438658127;asciilifeform;at any reasonable plant
1223703;1438658165;decimation;I recall the working s/360 as being very ... large
1223704;1438658171;decimation;took up about 10 racks if I recall
1223705;1438658349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19393 @ 0.00054806 = 10.6285 BTC [+] {2} 
1223706;1438659432;decimation;asciilifeform: lulz: http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/05/eram-crash-sparked-by-insufficient-ram/ "The computer system made by Lockheed Martin interpreted the flight as a more typical low altitude operation, and began processing it for a route below 10,000 feet. The extensive number of routings that would have been required to deconflict the aircraft with lower altitude flights used a large amount of available ...
1223707;1438659433;assbot;ERAM crash sparked by insufficient RAM | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIL5l8 )
1223708;1438659439;decimation;... memory and interrupted the computer’s other flight-processing functions."
1223709;1438659467;decimation;"Reuters reports that a controller would have entered the usual altitude for a U-2 plane – about 60,000 feet – forcing the system to consider all altitudes between ground level and infinity and generating a conflict which caused the system to begin cycling through restarts."
1223710;1438659572;asciilifeform;since when does u2 even file plans
1223711;1438659697;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1223712;1438659703;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
1223713;1438659705;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html
1223714;1438659706;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )
1223715;1438659752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00052228 = 4.7527 BTC [-] {3} 
1223716;1438659786;asciilifeform;oh and zoolag is back.
1223717;1438660166;decimation;asciilifeform: actually it's a good point (the u2) - you see the results with that f16 vs cessna crash
1223718;1438660180;decimation;us mil operates 'outside civilian system' on us soil to some degree
1223719;1438660230;decimation;thus setting up the ironic situation where one side of usg wants to clamp down on 100 foot drone-flying while f16s blaze around where they please
1223720;1438660260;decimation;and furthermore their brand new 'air traffic management' computer is vulnerable to resource starvation
1223721;1438660838;asciilifeform;'All this was in part spawned by a long going if little voiced thread in #b-a on the topic of "how can PGP folk be this fucking retarded. Sort-of like the colonial European's expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language also. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons.' << YES!
1223722;1438660844;asciilifeform;^^ mircea_popescu winz. ^^
1223723;1438660853;mircea_popescu;shit i stepped away for a second and i got way behind
1223724;1438660899;*;asciilifeform while mircea_popescu was out, was in the middle of finally writing the motherfucking broadcast but paused to post the mempool guillotine
1223725;1438660912;asciilifeform;which has been up the sleeve for too long
1223726;1438660918;asciilifeform;ought to be tried by somebody.
1223727;1438660945;mircea_popescu;aha
1223728;1438660949;asciilifeform;(and yes, i test'em before posting, but i mean here ~really~ test!)
1223729;1438660958;asciilifeform;like, on live goats
1223730;1438660990;mircea_popescu;poor goats.
1223731;1438660999;asciilifeform;also ok to use live lusers
1223732;1438661042;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
1223733;1438661048;mircea_popescu;or i should expect it;s obvious
1223734;1438661063;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> also ok to use live lusers << Pull request to Bitcoin Core GitRub?
1223735;1438661066;asciilifeform;how could be otherwise !
1223736;1438661070;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1223737;1438661087;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where to get'em is b/w you and the godz
1223738;1438661095;mircea_popescu;the godz of metal.
1223739;1438661099;asciilifeform;aha
1223740;1438661111;asciilifeform;'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)
1223741;1438661138;asciilifeform;>> http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm <<
1223742;1438661139;assbot;Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOaBE )
1223743;1438661152;BingoBoingo;https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg
1223744;1438661153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOccQ )
1223745;1438661198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, everyone worth talking to is in point of fact +ev in prisno.
1223746;1438661222;mircea_popescu;talk to someone who's ever done any time. there's a ton of mexicans doing time in us prisons to make money for their family bacvk home.
1223747;1438661253;asciilifeform;that's only +ev if $1/day is money somewhere you come from
1223748;1438661319;mircea_popescu;actually i would guess currently the earned income this way is about 12-15kish a year.
1223749;1438661322;mircea_popescu;liquid tho.
1223750;1438661343;asciilifeform;see also the other 'jail', http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119753
1223751;1438661343;assbot;Logged on 04-05-2015 18:55:44; ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
1223752;1438661454;asciilifeform;'In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
1223753;1438661454;asciilifeform;By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
1223754;1438661454;asciilifeform;But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
1223755;1438661454;asciilifeform;And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."'
1223756;1438661515;mircea_popescu;decimation they';re not capable of it. there's this very insistently nursed delusion among white useless usians that somehow some types of work are "below" them in the sense that OF COURSE they could do it. not so. alf has it : fuck you for "being able to" put the fries in the frier once. do it every day forever.
1223757;1438661533;mircea_popescu;so no. they are not capable, of any kind of work.
1223758;1438661540;mircea_popescu;not capable of intellectual work because not smart enough.
1223759;1438661546;mircea_popescu;not capable of labour because not patient enough.
1223760;1438661572;mircea_popescu;the only work they're capable of is reddit shitslinging, and  there's a ton of dudes doin that cheaper and better already. easily 100x what's needed anyway.
1223761;1438661615;mircea_popescu;also - programmer is not a craftsman. "programmer" is the boy equivalent of the "artsy"  chick. one does stupid shit and "sells it" on etsy, the other does stupid shit and "sells it" on github
1223762;1438661619;mircea_popescu;the difference is absolutely nil.
1223763;1438661652;asciilifeform;again with reddit php == programming notion
1223764;1438661657;mircea_popescu;this is what it is.
1223765;1438661676;mircea_popescu;talk to a recent cs graduate.
1223766;1438661691;gernika;mircea_popescu I thought all usians dipped fries in the frier as teens or college students at least.  Do the younger ones not go through that anymore?
1223767;1438661711;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu need working komputermaschinen for anything?
1223768;1438661712;TheNewDeal;manual labor is an option as well
1223769;1438661718;asciilifeform;or is he happy with gefingerpoken
1223770;1438661735;asciilifeform;and the 'recent graduate' - straight to the furnace, yes
1223771;1438661742;BingoBoingo;gernika: Not enough jobs to hire them all for it
1223772;1438661749;asciilifeform;doesn't change what programming/medicine/bridge-building ~is~
1223773;1438661751;mircea_popescu;gernika is it a patently retarded idea to buy "restaurant". a restaurant is not a box of candies. if you haven't spent a decade working in one, you have no business OWNING one.
1223774;1438661773;asciilifeform;butbut want moneyz for having moneyz!
1223775;1438661776;asciilifeform;like ted turner!
1223776;1438661786;mircea_popescu;romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
1223777;1438661794;mircea_popescu;bar. pizzeria. thjeir mother on a stick.
1223778;1438661825;mircea_popescu;fucking country was full to the brim of bad pink collar places like that badly run by inept cocklets who had somehow imagined they run themselves.
1223779;1438661851;TheNewDeal;offer is still on the record for those interested in the bitcoin no over 350 bezzlers. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1221804
1223780;1438661851;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 01:07:52; TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
1223781;1438661963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Meanwhile everyone else continues to practice medicine as best the means available allow also, but according to what the knowledge of the time allows. And everyone else is going to be the professionals in the field of medicine in Sicily cca 1200, whereas our teleported professional is just going to be a quaint curio, undistinguishable and undistinguished from the weird old lady making pretty young things swall
1223782;1438661963;asciilifeform;ow live frogs whole, fresh out of the swamp, for her own perverse enjoyment of seeing the young sluts suffer. Hey, it cured Sue's pregnancy, it did! What spontaneous abortion, what coincidence, are you from like the future ?' << this is, as often is, not the complete story. there ~were~ folks who made a reputation for actually curing something
1223783;1438662010;mircea_popescu;gernika also all usians dipped their cock in pussy juice in college. afaik not done anymore.
1223784;1438662067;asciilifeform;gernika, mircea_popescu: actually this is still sop. i am the odd man out among my circle for ~never~ having done a lick of honest work
1223785;1438662084;asciilifeform;(in the sense of 'deep fryer')
1223786;1438662147;mircea_popescu;you're too old for this discussion.
1223787;1438662151;mircea_popescu;talk to 20 yos.
1223788;1438662157;asciilifeform;hm
1223789;1438662202;mircea_popescu;and yes, sure there were folks who made a reputation. then as now.
1223790;1438662212;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#876727 see also
1223791;1438662212;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2014 00:01:42; asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
1223792;1438662224;mircea_popescu;obama has a reputation for bringing nobel peace, and paracelsus had a reputation for curing spiritual warts.
1223793;1438662252;asciilifeform;ain't talking of xerxes's reputation for subduing the ocean with whip
1223794;1438662263;mircea_popescu;but necessarily you are.
1223795;1438662287;asciilifeform;because we haven't a chronoscope? possibly.
1223796;1438662304;mircea_popescu;and because who at the time is going to be your ossasepia.
1223797;1438662304;asciilifeform;or possibly a few folks actually knew 'just enough to be dangerous'
1223798;1438662406;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes.
1223799;1438662406;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
1223800;1438662490;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223358 << lawl.
1223801;1438662490;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 19:39:51; kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet
1223802;1438662527;mircea_popescu;seriosly, i'd like to point out the pattern of it. clearly the guy is buying tailings, ie, overflow traffic/whatever's available to fit his budget. ends up with what overflows.
1223803;1438662574;mircea_popescu;i'm quite flattered, honestly. to think someone hates my shit enough that he's willing to spend to mess with it for part of a day likely more than what people paid to read it in its entire history...
1223804;1438662585;mircea_popescu;it's its own, special brand of compliment.
1223805;1438662629;mircea_popescu;sorta like the situation of a spy, really - the enemy is willing to spend millions to nail him, whereas his own team has to be fought for a 10k allocation sort of deal.
1223806;1438662664;asciilifeform;usg 'drop ten million rocket to nail a camel' is generous !
1223807;1438662702;mircea_popescu;something like that, but really this looks more like butthurt noob "with connections"
1223808;1438662720;asciilifeform;and 'his own team has to be fought for 10k' is for the same fundamental reason that a programmer who saves a $maxint reactor gets a $smallint bonus for his trouble
1223809;1438662727;asciilifeform;or perhaps is simply fired slightly later
1223810;1438662744;asciilifeform;or why the food-lever-operator chimp gets a slightly weaker beating as his 'salary'
1223811;1438662758;mircea_popescu;dumb way to run things.
1223812;1438662770;asciilifeform;i know of nothing which was ever run in any other way.
1223813;1438662780;asciilifeform;could exist, perhaps!
1223814;1438662784;mircea_popescu;i never ran things in that dumb manner.
1223815;1438662794;asciilifeform;like island of stability somewhere ten metres below the known mendeleev table
1223816;1438662800;mircea_popescu;also, japan didn't.
1223817;1438662809;asciilifeform;no?
1223818;1438662810;mircea_popescu;you save reactor - you get it. it's yours now.
1223819;1438662817;asciilifeform;only if blue blood
1223820;1438662821;mircea_popescu;has its failings, but at least it's fun to be in.
1223821;1438662850;mircea_popescu;nah. if "blue blood" i nthe sense of, willing to put up a fucking banner.
1223822;1438662853;mircea_popescu;or w/e they use.
1223823;1438662887;mircea_popescu;it's also a dumb system, for the record. tho perhaps less dumb and certainly dumb for different reasons.
1223824;1438662930;mircea_popescu;(to understand why it's dumb - imagine your prize for rescuing drowning damsel is the damsel. what if you don't want damsels, just enjoy swimming ?)
1223825;1438662941;asciilifeform;aha
1223826;1438662979;asciilifeform;american system is even more 'interesting':
1223827;1438662982;mircea_popescu;it broadly sunk the shogunate at any rate.
1223828;1438662985;asciilifeform;your 'reward' is the damsel's menstrual output
1223829;1438662991;asciilifeform;and little else
1223830;1438662995;mircea_popescu;heh
1223831;1438663007;mircea_popescu;draw out this simile for my benefit, i dun follow.
1223832;1438663024;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1223833;1438663031;asciilifeform;worker bee gets the 'responsibility' but not the mega-cashout if the thing sells
1223834;1438663040;asciilifeform;work weekends, nights - sure
1223835;1438663056;asciilifeform;for... 0.1 % of $maybe.
1223836;1438663057;mircea_popescu;ah.
1223837;1438663115;mircea_popescu;shinohai : buncha other people are running eulora with gallium 4.0, incl on llvmpipe. that wouldn't likely be it.
1223838;1438663182;mircea_popescu;shinohai but you're the only one wioth mesa < 10. so that'd likely be it.
1223839;1438663223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to pound in the last nail (for now) in the subject: razi, avicenna, et al had it easy compared to modern folk: they could at least charge the rich folks of their time for providing something superficially like working medicine
1223840;1438663243;asciilifeform;but no one will pay for, e.g., de-drepperization of bitcoin
1223841;1438663248;asciilifeform;because 'who the fuck pays for sunlight'
1223842;1438663254;mircea_popescu;you're model of how these guys' lives worked is really very bad you know.
1223843;1438663273;asciilifeform;my model is based on the same almost-nonexistent record as everybody else's ...
1223844;1438663297;mircea_popescu;in the case of avicenna it's not that bad, and a ton has been done to try and figure out his context.
1223845;1438663478;asciilifeform;HOLY SHIT
1223846;1438663488;asciilifeform;did anyone else spot the boojum in the mempool mechanism ?
1223847;1438663499;asciilifeform;revealed by the most recent experiment i suggested
1223848;1438663555;asciilifeform;looks like...
1223849;1438663574;asciilifeform;boost map stuctures DON'T FREE MEMORY when they lose members.
1223850;1438663594;asciilifeform;THIS is why, e.g., orphanage limits did nothing
1223851;1438663629;asciilifeform;who does not believe, is welcome to go and try the experiment in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html
1223852;1438663629;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )
1223853;1438663639;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1223854;1438663819;mircea_popescu;they only free when destroyed yes
1223855;1438663830;asciilifeform;except they don't
1223856;1438663832;asciilifeform;perhaps instead of waiting for this finding, mircea_popescu ought to have paid a nickel to an interchangeable chunk of protoplasm from 'fiverr' or 'etsy' to discover it.
1223857;1438663842;asciilifeform;given as 'all programming is same'
1223858;1438663857;mircea_popescu;ask anyone if what you're doing is programming and let me knopw what they say.
1223859;1438663867;asciilifeform;just asked woman. said 'yes'
1223860;1438663873;mircea_popescu;damn.
1223861;1438663878;asciilifeform;'on account of, what else is it'
1223862;1438663882;mircea_popescu;well... there goes that argument.
1223863;1438663895;asciilifeform;though she as often describes it as 'the war'
1223864;1438663914;asciilifeform;in the sense of something i might conceivably one day 'come back from'
1223865;1438663922;mircea_popescu;fat hope.
1223866;1438663926;asciilifeform;aha
1223867;1438663964;asciilifeform;http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/denis+leary/lifes+gonna+suck_20234052.html << obligatory
1223868;1438663964;assbot;Life's Gonna Suck Lyrics - Denis Leary ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2oDEo )
1223869;1438663980;asciilifeform;'You're gonna be a giant mess
1223870;1438663981;asciilifeform;When you get back from the war'
1223871;1438664043;mircea_popescu;i don't think you were that unmessy to begin with anyway.
1223872;1438664051;mircea_popescu;proof : couldn't get even mcdonalds job.
1223873;1438664054;asciilifeform;aha
1223874;1438664072;asciilifeform;was even turned away at a bicycle repair pit
1223875;1438664082;asciilifeform;(among other)
1223876;1438664093;mircea_popescu;and you wanted to be my side of the street bicycle powered knife sharpener!
1223877;1438664125;asciilifeform;those don't have to be hired by a boss, all they gotta do is not scare folks away and sharpen
1223878;1438664137;mircea_popescu;in other news - ima point out to our esteemed us smoking colleagues that actual habanero montecristos are about a dime a dozen here.
1223879;1438664141;mircea_popescu;dogs smoke them
1223880;1438664153;asciilifeform;habanero, as with pepper ?
1223881;1438664170;mircea_popescu;ie from havana, cuba.
1223882;1438664173;asciilifeform;ah
1223883;1438664179;*;asciilifeform clearly needs sleep
1223884;1438664203;*;asciilifeform bbl
1223885;1438664278;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/03/no-you-dont-understand-elite-discontent/ << that first quote made me lose interest in the dood.
1223886;1438664279;assbot;No, you don’t understand elite discontent. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ66Pi )
1223887;1438664314;pete_dushenski;rightly so.
1223888;1438664317;mircea_popescu;really, that's what he got out of whatever summary he read, that plato lamented writing. probably because "he despised poor people"
1223889;1438664327;pete_dushenski;i was feeling soldiery today so i... soldiered on.
1223890;1438664379;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: he actually admitted to reading summaries
1223891;1438664385;pete_dushenski;that's not even a joke.
1223892;1438664412;pete_dushenski;in the footnotes of his original he cited motherfucking summaries written by contemporary tards
1223893;1438664439;pete_dushenski;Venkatesh Rao is some kinda troll.
1223894;1438664441;mircea_popescu;he was "being ironic", in current pop-parlance. had plato in fact and earnestly "bemoaned progress" played straight, he'd have complained about the innovation of allowing teen boys not be raped (mostly championed by socrates, for that matter).
1223895;1438664540;pete_dushenski;he was being pseudo-intellectual and name-dropping like the thinly veiled charlatanic 'progressive' he is.
1223896;1438664542;mircea_popescu;http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ << check it out. someone should add regexp
1223897;1438664543;assbot;sfsexp home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ6Cg2 )
1223898;1438664571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2576 @ 0.00053817 = 1.3863 BTC [+]
1223899;1438664620;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: and you're right. plato's lamentation of oral storytelling clearly wasn't his most serious gripe with technology
1223900;1438664643;mircea_popescu;he was making a point. which point incidentally stands,
1223901;1438664667;mircea_popescu;except apparently doesn't stand too well to the reading of barely literate goats bereft of the time to comprehend context.
1223902;1438664721;pete_dushenski;"What we - and yes, I include myself firmly in this much despised camp – view as degeneracy are the expected developments ; that is, the highly predictable and completely foreseeable destruction wrought by making good things “accessible” and “easy-to-use.”" << this is what stands from plato's lament
1223903;1438664737;mircea_popescu;hm.
1223904;1438664746;mircea_popescu;you gotta appreciate plato's personal history.
1223905;1438664756;mircea_popescu;not only was the man part of a b-a of his time, but they actually took power.
1223906;1438664761;mircea_popescu;and then fucked everything up.
1223907;1438664775;mircea_popescu;vividly.
1223908;1438664834;pete_dushenski;well, he was assumed too much rationality in man, no ?
1223909;1438664902;mircea_popescu;who even knows.
1223910;1438664909;mircea_popescu;whatever the fuck happened there is still an open question.
1223911;1438664946;mircea_popescu;in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
1223912;1438664975;pete_dushenski;or just more alpaca socks to buy.
1223913;1438665001;gernika;pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
1223914;1438665002;mircea_popescu;yeah, im sure that's what it is.
1223915;1438665028;pete_dushenski;gernika: can't say i am. link ?
1223916;1438665040;mircea_popescu;gernika are you like, the most well read of us on the people we don't like ?
1223917;1438665065;gernika;pete_dushenski: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/
1223918;1438665066;assbot;The Gervais Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ7q4B )
1223919;1438665071;pete_dushenski;i honestly just stumbled across this rao dude today and he happened to serve up the right fodder at the right moment. so i fired, fired, fired away.
1223920;1438665149;gernika;mircea_popescu: somehow they lead me here.  They got me thinking at least.  Or at least trying to.
1223921;1438665171;mircea_popescu;it's not a crime by any means. as they say, there's a blessing for everything
1223922;1438665172;pete_dushenski;is gernika also a pro on twobitidiot and tim swanson ?
1223923;1438665180;mircea_popescu;perfection in any field's still a perfection.
1223924;1438665207;gernika;pete_dushenski sadly unfamiliar with their work.  I totally missed out on the tardstalk madness.
1223925;1438665223;mircea_popescu;what man buys a goat that is already milking a cow.
1223926;1438665235;pete_dushenski;gernika: eh, they're more twitterati ftr, for what little difference that makes.
1223927;1438665320;pete_dushenski;and you're really NOT missing out.
1223928;1438665347;gernika;pete_dushenski anyway I admit I was fond of the Gervais Principle, and it gave me a model to try and think about wtf executives and managers do all day.
1223929;1438665356;pete_dushenski;though they each earned a contravex article in their respective heydeys.
1223930;1438665418;pete_dushenski;heh. 7.3 gh/s gets you 10.5% of the ethereum mining power and the top individual miner spot.
1223931;1438665438;pete_dushenski;gernika: i'll give it a peek here.
1223932;1438665608;gernika;pete_dushenski: cool.  I think my problem with Rao now is that he bases the Gervaise Principle off of The Office which was written by kids like B.J. Novak - and how the hell does he know anything about what executives do?  He may, I just don't see how he got the knowledge.
1223933;1438665692;mircea_popescu;wait a second. you're not seriously trying to understand "what executives do" by reading bloggers' commentary on tv shows ?!
1223934;1438665713;mircea_popescu;this is almost like trying to understand whether alf is a programmer by asking his girlfriend whether he likes the eggs runny.
1223935;1438665765;gernika;mircea_popescu I had hopes, yes.
1223936;1438665770;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1223937;1438665777;pete_dushenski;this is pure rao.
1223938;1438665812;pete_dushenski;'understanding an eagle's viewpoint by living as a worm in dirt'
1223939;1438665822;mircea_popescu;anyway. have you happened to at any point notice the similarity between the "companies promoite the wrong people - not me!" and the usual complaint trhe same people make about women "they fuck jerks instead of seeing how much of a great sense of humor i have" ?
1223940;1438665852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12757 @ 0.00051944 = 6.6265 BTC [-] {3} 
1223941;1438665888;mircea_popescu;because it's dunning-kruger all through. the dumbass who sucks at life can't correctly evaluate wqhat the people better than him are doing so they ARE better than him. and so he doesn't understand why they get promoted and laid.
1223942;1438665916;pete_dushenski;"my betters suck, they just can't see it like i do"
1223943;1438665931;mircea_popescu;right.
1223944;1438665950;gernika;mircea_popescu on top of that he argues its not even worth being promoted
1223945;1438665950;mircea_popescu;all these complex (wholly self-contained) mind games to hack the girls panties from offa her fanny
1223946;1438665956;mircea_popescu;as if she wouldn't just take them off herself anyway
1223947;1438665970;mircea_popescu;gernika or gettinglaid. sure. EGHOW!
1223948;1438665975;pete_dushenski;no perspective, some imagination, and *poof*, magical stories that conveniently assuage the ego.
1223949;1438665981;mircea_popescu;employees going their own way!
1223950;1438666036;pete_dushenski;gernika: "no one NEEDS a ferrari anyways, they're just for showing off"
1223951;1438666040;gernika;lol!
1223952;1438666055;mircea_popescu;well this is much true.
1223953;1438666075;mircea_popescu;also nobody needs to be six foot tall.
1223954;1438666094;mircea_popescu;anyway! this is enouigh for me tonight gents. have a great one.
1223955;1438666107;pete_dushenski;bon soir mp
1223956;1438666219;*;pete_dushenski continues reading the latest trilema, searching for mountain bike rentals, and hunting for the right air-cooled porsche deal
1223957;1438667837;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbIlLmCID5g
1223958;1438667838;assbot;The 100 Greatest Movie Threats of All Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3dYgJ )
1223959;1438668199;BingoBoingo;Only in East Saint, the body on the road being a carjacking ruse is more novel than there being a body on the road http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article29695969.html
1223960;1438668199;assbot;ESL Police warn: Body on road could be carjacking ruse | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNcfcG )
1223961;1438668834;BingoBoingo;!up Hasimir
1223962;1438668839;BingoBoingo;!up Belxjander
1223963;1438668843;BingoBoingo;!up TheRealJohnGalt
1223964;1438669348;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu "can be ridden for a lot of mileage, and simlarly"
1223965;1438669349;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1223966;1438669512;pete_dushenski;also, "enligthened restraint"
1223967;1438669608;pete_dushenski;also also, "established throgh counting"
1223968;1438669755;Belxjander;thank you for the temp voice...
1223969;1438670433;pete_dushenski;Belxjander: and who might you be ?
1223970;1438670456;pete_dushenski;!gettrust Belxjander
1223971;1438670456;assbot;Belxjander is not registered in WoT.
1223972;1438670661;Belxjander;what the hell does it mean I'm not in the WoT
1223973;1438670707;pete_dushenski;!up Belxjander
1223974;1438670712;Belxjander;pete a guy living in Japan who has been reading here a long time
1223975;1438670753;pete_dushenski;Belxjander: then you must be joking about not knowing what the wot means if you've been 'reading here a long time'
1223976;1438670758;pete_dushenski;!h
1223977;1438670758;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1223978;1438670763;Belxjander;I'm in the middle of moving so don't really have time to mess with everything until after getting network access sorted at the new place
1223979;1438670783;pete_dushenski;either way, read that link there and follow along.
1223980;1438670796;Belxjander;pete I'm not saying that... I'm surprised the bot can't find me in the WoT
1223981;1438670805;pete_dushenski;also, obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
1223982;1438670807;assbot;Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJrOAG )
1223983;1438670818;pete_dushenski;;;gettrust Belxjander
1223984;1438670819;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user Belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=Belxjander | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Belxjander | Rated since: Wed Dec  4 14:43:24 2013
1223985;1438670840;pete_dushenski;aha. you're in the old gribble wot.
1223986;1438670847;pete_dushenski;you also need to register in the new assbot wot
1223987;1438670866;pete_dushenski;and you're friends with usagi !
1223988;1438670888;pete_dushenski;bwahaha now there's a badge of dishonour.
1223989;1438670896;Belxjander;then I'll screengrab this for now and get to that sometime after getting online at my new address then
1223990;1438670897;pete_dushenski;no matter. just get in the new wot
1223991;1438670978;Belxjander;okay...as soon as I can then...preferably with my desktop and not from this tablet and rpi-znc setup
1223992;1438670979;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Now, you aren't still running OS X anywhere are you
1223993;1438671011;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: sure i am.
1223994;1438671023;BingoBoingo;You read qntra today right?
1223995;1438671037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5802 @ 0.00051944 = 3.0138 BTC [-] {2} 
1223996;1438671056;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: actually, just now. i read about that flaw a day or two ago.
1223997;1438671068;pete_dushenski;what, you think i run the latest ?? pah.
1223998;1438671080;BingoBoingo;It is a pretty big, pretty intentional seemign Drepperization
1223999;1438671096;pete_dushenski;i may be stupid in my choice of os, but not THAT stupid.
1224000;1438671113;pete_dushenski;Belxjander: cool beans.
1224001;1438671145;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It's never to late to embrace OS 9
1224002;1438671215;pete_dushenski;i really should have a machine running that.
1224003;1438671225;pete_dushenski;just for kicks
1224004;1438671230;pete_dushenski;and diversity !
1224005;1438671302;BingoBoingo;And to see what could have been
1224006;1438671341;pete_dushenski;i sorta remember it. i ran it on my first g3 tower iirc
1224007;1438671384;BingoBoingo;ah
1224008;1438671501;Belxjander;using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..
1224009;1438671750;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223127 <<< as much as i'd like to fuck a different woman each night, i usually settle for a tissue.. who knows maybe i'll get lucky on the weekend when/if i try to get the foundation's client up and running
1224010;1438671750;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
1224011;1438672135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051943 = 4.3372 BTC [-] {4} 
1224012;1438673077;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223409 <<< the guides help but isn't enough to get it over the line for me so until i can build it by myself, i'm stuck using what is available to me
1224013;1438673077;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 00:28:01; mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
1224014;1438673472;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223464 <<< i called this in pm months ago!
1224015;1438673472;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 01:08:38; BingoBoingo: Can't tell if real or fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fottn/cointelegraphcom_is_shutting_down_cutting_all/
1224016;1438673522;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I can't go leaking seekrits though
1224017;1438674422;BingoBoingo;Pattypan squash coming in heavy this year
1224018;1438674709;shinohai;CoinTelegrapgh lel
1224019;1438675012;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223457 was half a bitcoin per shitplatform. and lel "running the compiler"
1224020;1438675012;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 00:51:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?
1224021;1438675050;jurov;if it was, you'd have folks waiting in line
1224022;1438675114;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes.  << exactly. I get immense value from Luxor meat-wot, but it will never be in dollars.
1224023;1438675114;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
1224024;1438675124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00051943 = 3.0387 BTC [-]
1224025;1438675684;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223776 << same here. and I go to that stupid restaurant at 00:40, there's 4-5 tables still waiting for food, but the motherfucker has the nerve to say "sorry kitchen's closed".
1224026;1438675684;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 04:16:26; mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
1224027;1438676039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00052913 = 4.4447 BTC [+] {3} 
1224028;1438676134;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223913 << I liked it back in 2009, and it seemed slightly derpy then. but I can no longer read Rao's markov output.
1224029;1438676134;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 05:10:01; gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
1224030;1438676405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.0005352 = 2.4641 BTC [+] {3} 
1224031;1438676701;cazalla;BingoBoingo, sounds yum.. i'm just about ready to get some spring veg into the seed propogator (warm mat and shit)
1224032;1438676710;BingoBoingo;ah
1224033;1438676725;cazalla;either this coming weekend or next
1224034;1438676734;BingoBoingo;cool
1224035;1438677423;shinohai;dem netsplitz >.>
1224036;1438677457;Adlai;dat irc_smart_filter
1224037;1438677727;BingoBoingo;lol
1224038;1438677788;shinohai;LTC:USD sell = 4.20, buy = 4.21, last = 4.20; high = 4.36, low = 4.09, avg = 4.22  ||  via BTC-e on 2015-Aug-04 08:43:07 Z
1224039;1438677809;shinohai;ltc @ 4.20 hue
1224040;1438679195;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223743 <<< is that the local strip joint you like? :P
1224041;1438679195;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 04:05:52; BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg
1224042;1438679215;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nah, just beautiful vandalism
1224043;1438679750;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1224044;1438679750;assbot;Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
1224045;1438679761;punkman;every time ^
1224046;1438679955;jurov;!t m s.mpoe
1224047;1438679955;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051414 / 0.00053388 / 0.00054924 (1886087 shares, 1,006.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00050177 / 0.00052958 / 0.00055771 (13428065 shares, 7,111.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00049302 / 0.00054003 / 0.00060248 (99390102 shares, 53,674.54 BTC)
1224048;1438679964;jurov;!t m x.eur
1224049;1438679964;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 (15 shares, 0.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00366423 / 0.00378283 / 0.00388112 (866 shares, 3.28 BTC), 30D: 0.0035 / 0.00394028 / 0.00430612 (7173 shares, 28.26 BTC)
1224050;1438680004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00051943 = 1.2986 BTC [-]
1224051;1438681224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00052021 = 4.89 BTC [+]
1224052;1438682505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37041 @ 0.00052021 = 19.2691 BTC [+]
1224053;1438682749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3378 @ 0.0005135 = 1.7346 BTC [-] {2} 
1224054;1438683298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005135 = 4.7756 BTC [-]
1224055;1438686252;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3flyi2/bitlicense_new_york_cronyism_state_of_mind/ctpzkrv
1224056;1438686253;assbot;BitLicense: New York Cronyism State of Mind : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNCno3 )
1224057;1438686958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00051748 = 6.4685 BTC [+]
1224058;1438688788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00053079 = 4.2729 BTC [+] {2} 
1224059;1438689703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.0005308 = 8.0124 BTC [+]
1224060;1438690566;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-claimed-he-rammed-st-louis-police-car-for-the/article_fed4cbc2-24d1-585c-a2d4-2ab5f853644d.html
1224061;1438690592;BingoBoingo;^ Police grabbed him, and as they were arresting him, Labriado yelled several times that "This is for the black people!"
1224062;1438690617;shinohai;fight the power
1224063;1438690670;punkman;too bad he didn't have a bulldozer
1224064;1438690698;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223206
1224065;1438690698;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:30; ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.
1224066;1438690816;BingoBoingo;Well we are coming up on the one year anniversary of Ferguson going up in flames.
1224067;1438692082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.0005308 = 6.6615 BTC [+] {2} 
1224068;1438695254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14264 @ 0.00052955 = 7.5535 BTC [-] {3} 
1224069;1438696272;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski heh the editor's getting belted.
1224070;1438696437;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust belxjander
1224071;1438696438;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=belxjander | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=belxjander | Rated since: Wed Dec  4 14:43:24 2013
1224072;1438696448;mircea_popescu;!gettrust belxjander
1224073;1438696448;assbot;belxjander is not registered in WoT.
1224074;1438696474;mircea_popescu;;;later tel belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
1224075;1438696474;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
1224076;1438696478;mircea_popescu;;;later tell belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
1224077;1438696478;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1224078;1438696556;mircea_popescu;llol, ddosing qntra now ?
1224079;1438696632;BingoBoingo;looks like it.
1224080;1438696654;BingoBoingo;Was a bit slow earlier it seemed. Just now reaching the inaccessible phase
1224081;1438696685;BingoBoingo;In other news look which forum/dice derp is apparently no frozen to death in Canada https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142879
1224082;1438696687;assbot;KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSaiu )
1224083;1438696697;fluffypony;lol
1224084;1438696714;fluffypony;inb4 KLYE'S ICE COLD CAM GIRLS
1224085;1438696718;mircea_popescu;qntra comin' back on in 3..2..1..
1224086;1438696744;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/24/youtube-us-drone-teenager-arrested << lulziez
1224087;1438696746;assbot;US teen behind gun-wielding drone arrested (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSnlD )
1224088;1438696761;mircea_popescu;aww
1224089;1438696771;BingoBoingo;For the archive https://archive.is/EbbYR
1224090;1438696773;assbot;KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSuOd )
1224091;1438696778;asciilifeform;~not for the stunt itself~
1224092;1438696780;mircea_popescu;Malwarebytes reports (archived) that a vulnerability in Apple's latest version of OS X which was reported to exist last month on Stefan Esser's blog (archived) is now appearing on malware in the wild.
1224093;1438696784;mircea_popescu;da fuck, why are they so slow ?
1224094;1438696804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was an escalator, not a remote 0day
1224095;1438696817;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It really only appears to have been spotted in use because some braindead adware used it on sudoers
1224096;1438696819;asciilifeform;hence pretty useless except as part of something else
1224097;1438696834;mircea_popescu;a
1224098;1438696848;mircea_popescu;Malwarebytes only noticed the flaw being actively exploited because a particular piece of adware had edited the sudoers file on a testing environment  << lmao.
1224099;1438696860;mircea_popescu;ad industry, still driving force behind 0day innovation.
1224100;1438696864;asciilifeform;'The teenage mechanical engineering student, who set up the killer machine as part of college class project, was charged with two counts of assault, interfering with a police officer and failure to obey an officer's signal, after refusing to turn himself in on an outstanding warrant and attacking the officers in question "repeatedly".'
1224101;1438696866;mircea_popescu;they don't get enough credit for this.
1224102;1438696874;mircea_popescu;everyone just thinks "oh, porn".
1224103;1438696912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd expect by now most of the "no go" zones openly advertise "see a cop ? kill a cop" policies.
1224104;1438696938;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " The severity of the flaw though is such that when triggered it can edit any file on the affected machine including files." wtf is that mean
1224105;1438696962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00051037 = 21.9714 BTC [-] {8} 
1224106;1438696964;BingoBoingo;missing word, will fix
1224107;1438697006;BingoBoingo;two words "executable system" goes before last files
1224108;1438697058;mircea_popescu;jurov no! RUNNING THE COMPILER! :D
1224109;1438697102;BingoBoingo;And qntra gets DDoS resurgent when update post button is hit
1224110;1438697163;mircea_popescu;<punkman>  Rao's markov output. << i wonder if this is the necessary fate of all long running "idea" blogs on the internets.
1224111;1438697192;mircea_popescu;obviously this is a poorly researched field, for lack of substance to study. but particularly interesting to me for the obv reasons
1224112;1438697273;BingoBoingo;Well you are creating a dataset. Probably bought yourself some time with the language switch.
1224113;1438697290;mircea_popescu;if that's it ima move to fucking french next.
1224114;1438697300;mircea_popescu;would you still read me if i was in french ?
1224115;1438697332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин' (TM) (R)
1224116;1438697352;mircea_popescu;(tbh, i think i'm buying a lot of time with my willingness to engage the frivolous, but maybe i'm just reading ideology into reality)
1224117;1438697372;BingoBoingo;Might read in French
1224118;1438697375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sadly my russian's not nearly good enough to actually write in it
1224119;1438697384;mircea_popescu;now THAT's a way to embarass oneself...
1224120;1438697409;asciilifeform;everybody laughs at the esperantists for a century, but this is kinda why they do it
1224121;1438697412;mircea_popescu;"considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
1224122;1438697415;asciilifeform;bozo shield.
1224123;1438697421;mircea_popescu;no.fucking.way.
1224124;1438697437;mircea_popescu;wake me up when there's a 500 year tradition of prison culture in esperanto.
1224125;1438697454;asciilifeform;it's a planetoid, not a planet.
1224126;1438697456;mircea_popescu;wake me up when you can go through an entire conversation in huyesperanto
1224127;1438697466;mircea_popescu;planetoids hold no atmosphere.
1224128;1438697471;mircea_popescu;langage breathes.
1224129;1438697476;BingoBoingo;Well the best time to start building 500 years of prison culture in Esparanto is Today. Next best time tomorrow.
1224130;1438697482;asciilifeform;thing is, once big enough to have prisoners, big enough to be 95% derp by weight
1224131;1438697486;mircea_popescu;actual best timne is never.
1224132;1438697491;asciilifeform;like engl.
1224133;1438697496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform russian is 95% derp by weight too
1224134;1438697504;mircea_popescu;that's not the criteria.
1224135;1438697516;mircea_popescu;the criteria is, whether the remaining 5% are entusiastically sucking the cock or not.
1224136;1438697516;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not as strong a tradition there - yet - of 'everybody gets to write'
1224137;1438697543;mircea_popescu;that may seem like the driver of language shittyfication but it is not.
1224138;1438697564;mircea_popescu;languages go to shit for two reasons. the main one is, elite being humble. the secondary one is, no nation.
1224139;1438697587;mircea_popescu;languages spoken by proud elites of actual nations do greatr. whether the pride is justified or not, and irrespective of what it does to the country otherwise.
1224140;1438697608;chetty;nation as a thing is rapidly turning into history
1224141;1438697621;mircea_popescu;not that rapidly.
1224142;1438697646;mircea_popescu;the once great french nation is going the way of all other failed experiments - austro-hungarian, united-statesian, whatever.
1224143;1438697661;mircea_popescu;the chinese are doing fine, the russians are doing fine, even the fucktarded greeks or romanians are doing fine.
1224144;1438697670;mircea_popescu;nationo-language wise at least.
1224145;1438697717;mircea_popescu;heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that.
1224146;1438697718;chetty;greeks wont last long, neither will Romania since they are in eu
1224147;1438697762;mircea_popescu;i don't know the greek situation well enough to quote chapter and verse past the general impression, but as to romanian i can sign you a warrant. robotzi is strictly sufficient proof, for decades, perhaps a century.
1224148;1438697826;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that. << It didn't survive. They found a corpse and built around it.
1224149;1438697830;mircea_popescu;"de ce ?" (why ?) "de tot (forever). debarcader (drydock). de verde ce-i iarba (for grass is green). de treci codrii de arama (if you pass the bronze forrest (literary reference)). deranjat la ficat. (upset liver)."
1224150;1438697831;mircea_popescu;that's it.,
1224151;1438697842;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what did you think survival was ?
1224152;1438697879;BingoBoingo;I was under the impression survival didn't require resurection after dying on the cross
1224153;1438697883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tone poemz ?
1224154;1438697894;mircea_popescu;(actually the correct quote is "Foca:De ce? Mo:De tot, debarcader, de verde, ce-i iarba, de maine incepand, de treci codrii de arama, de departe, vezi aproape, destoinic, deranjat la ficat." but anyway)
1224155;1438697909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform spontaneous tone poemz by two kids making a random cartoon show out of their bedroom.
1224156;1438697943;mircea_popescu;can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident
1224157;1438697968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we have this beat: http://img.1001mem.ru/posts_temp/14-05-09/3513007.jpg
1224158;1438697969;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDWSwI )
1224159;1438697986;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1224160;1438697989;asciilifeform;^ these are all poems. in the style indicated above each (e.g., pushkin's)
1224161;1438698000;mircea_popescu;but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.
1224162;1438698076;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date.
1224163;1438698159;asciilifeform;incidentally, anyone can learn to pronounce - with flavour! - these poemz
1224164;1438698174;asciilifeform;good exercise for folks who like languages but don't know ru yet
1224165;1438698179;mircea_popescu;(anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p
1224166;1438698179;mircea_popescu;eople who stick together for "reasonable" reasons.)
1224167;1438698216;asciilifeform;see also orlov re: english being a technical pidgin
1224168;1438698230;asciilifeform;used by precisely the folks 'together for reasonable reasons'
1224169;1438698239;mircea_popescu;this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.
1224170;1438698247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1224171;1438698251;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date. << So did actual Greek, as did actual Fortran.
1224172;1438698311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to be clear, i won't recommend esperanto as a literary language. but will point out that it plays somewhat of the same role morse plays for 'hams', or sign language for the literate deaf. i.e. a ~shield against mainstream cultural poison~
1224173;1438698324;mircea_popescu;wrong kind of shield.
1224174;1438698324;asciilifeform;lets you have a little 'usenet' going. for a spell.
1224175;1438698347;mircea_popescu;corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.
1224176;1438698371;mircea_popescu;i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.
1224177;1438698373;asciilifeform;castle != jail
1224178;1438698381;asciilifeform;(though a jail can be inside a castle, yes)
1224179;1438698384;mircea_popescu;all castle contains a jail.
1224180;1438698406;mircea_popescu;and for that matter versailles (which is how and why french died) was not a castle, but a jail.
1224181;1438698445;mircea_popescu;i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.
1224182;1438698448;mircea_popescu;once he appears, it's the end.
1224183;1438698462;asciilifeform;some shields may cost more than they are worth. but i argue that not-having-britney-spears-in-your-language is worth ~something~ culturally
1224184;1438698483;mircea_popescu;nononon
1224185;1438698486;mircea_popescu;not a matter of cost.
1224186;1438698500;asciilifeform;just like not having had tumblr pheminism in a language yet, is a great cultural asset
1224187;1438698506;mircea_popescu;some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.
1224188;1438698513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so.
1224189;1438698522;mircea_popescu;tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.
1224190;1438698522;asciilifeform;recall the old thread about north kr?
1224191;1438698529;mircea_popescu;bout 12 of em,...
1224192;1438698532;asciilifeform;the world's only nation without mcdonalds
1224193;1438698545;asciilifeform;and this may almost make up for everything else
1224194;1438698572;asciilifeform;they will eat own shoes, yes. but not mcd
1224195;1438698579;mircea_popescu;i do not see this.
1224196;1438698586;asciilifeform;like a nature preserve
1224197;1438698589;asciilifeform;see the point of those ?
1224198;1438698595;mircea_popescu;nature preserves are for dead animals.
1224199;1438698598;mircea_popescu;and no i do not.
1224200;1438698599;mircea_popescu;let them die.
1224201;1438698639;asciilifeform;north kr (at least as seen from my distant perch) is a backup copy
1224202;1438698644;asciilifeform;of civilization prior to mcd.
1224203;1438698644;mircea_popescu;hahaha no.
1224204;1438698659;mircea_popescu;not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich
1224205;1438698666;mircea_popescu;tell you what - if we ever lose sandwiching, ima reinvent it
1224206;1438698673;mircea_popescu;and iom not using your pile of dog vomit.
1224207;1438698674;asciilifeform;and prior to 'worth of individual' and other crocks of shit which have spilled since- everywhere
1224208;1438698695;asciilifeform;it is an old, worm-eaten backup, yes
1224209;1438698724;asciilifeform;but somewhere in it could be a usable kB or two.
1224210;1438698726;mircea_popescu;you can't backup live things.
1224211;1438698739;mircea_popescu;you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too
1224212;1438698741;mircea_popescu;go. use.
1224213;1438698752;asciilifeform;it's a culture without reddit and 'worth of indiviiiiidualz'
1224214;1438698756;asciilifeform;gotta be worth something.
1224215;1438698757;mircea_popescu;no, it is not.
1224216;1438698769;mircea_popescu;it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these
1224217;1438698775;mircea_popescu;done by hand out of rice husks.
1224218;1438698789;mircea_popescu;i'd rather see the best in all fields, including poisons.
1224219;1438698825;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes
1224220;1438698848;mircea_popescu;what ELSE ?
1224221;1438698865;asciilifeform;and on else
1224222;1438698870;mircea_popescu;for them reddit IS the west, much like for yours truly, outlet store catalogues was
1224223;1438698876;mircea_popescu;i was 10 at the time, but still.
1224224;1438698909;asciilifeform;for me it was... the house in 'tom & jerry' !
1224225;1438698913;asciilifeform;(among others)
1224226;1438698936;mircea_popescu;same idea i guess.
1224227;1438699009;chetty;I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.
1224228;1438699040;asciilifeform;chetty: there sure is! it lives in the library.
1224229;1438699056;asciilifeform;and smells of mildew and horse glue
1224230;1438699067;asciilifeform;because stopped happenening around 1960 or so
1224231;1438699101;asciilifeform;can't speak for others, but ~i~ still visit it.
1224232;1438699120;mircea_popescu;chetty you'll probably get asked what asciilifeform got asked yesterday re "industry".
1224233;1438699127;chetty;funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.
1224234;1438699128;mircea_popescu;there still is this civilisation ? where ?
1224235;1438699141;mircea_popescu;retirement homes, maybe. while that lasts.
1224236;1438699170;asciilifeform;thing is, if something is alive inside an impenetrable bubble, it is not alive.
1224237;1438699200;asciilifeform;the 'real programmerz' are not in such a bubble, in that you are interacting with them every time you flip the light switch or turn on the tap, or get into a '747'
1224238;1438699211;mircea_popescu;cop out of major degree.
1224239;1438699225;mircea_popescu;~I~ am not in a bubble, because i actually take untold hours each quarter to talk here.
1224240;1438699226;asciilifeform;or run therealbitcoin, etc
1224241;1438699233;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is
1224242;1438699247;mircea_popescu;some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.
1224243;1438699258;mircea_popescu;and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it
1224244;1438699269;mircea_popescu;but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is
1224245;1438699271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they aren't - as far as i can tell - talking
1224246;1438699277;asciilifeform;'spartan speaks with his sword
1224247;1438699278;asciilifeform;'
1224248;1438699301;mircea_popescu;risky argument.
1224249;1438699316;asciilifeform;because talking with the 'fresh grads' (much less the public at large) is increasingly a pearls/swine proposition
1224250;1438699317;mircea_popescu;spartan may well speak with his sword, but this does not promise an easy translation.
1224251;1438699322;asciilifeform;and this is felt, in the gut, by just about everyone
1224252;1438699323;mircea_popescu;for one thing, computing is language.
1224253;1438699330;mircea_popescu;so let them wot.
1224254;1438699348;asciilifeform;they wot
1224255;1438699354;asciilifeform;it just doesn't include anybody under 50
1224256;1438699360;asciilifeform;analogue wot.
1224257;1438699363;mircea_popescu;understand
1224258;1438699365;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/Jd3Ph70.jpg
1224259;1438699366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gHkw5y )
1224260;1438699385;mircea_popescu;i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.
1224261;1438699387;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wat
1224262;1438699391;mircea_popescu;"nobody under 50" means bubble.
1224263;1438699393;asciilifeform;aha
1224264;1438699400;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cake
1224265;1438699401;asciilifeform;it means 'that's it, we're done'
1224266;1438699410;chetty;hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50
1224267;1438699415;mircea_popescu;so it does.
1224268;1438699524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4639 @ 0.00051087 = 2.3699 BTC [+]
1224269;1438699544;asciilifeform;nobody has yet invented the machine for turning mental 'bonsai kitten' into a full-grown animal.
1224270;1438699567;asciilifeform;folks who grew up with javascript in microshit exploder as 'programming' - are lost.
1224271;1438699575;asciilifeform;quite likely - permanently.
1224272;1438699605;asciilifeform;ditto folks who grew up with 'climatocalypse' and 'string theory' as 'physics'
1224273;1438699610;asciilifeform;they are also write-offs.
1224274;1438699628;asciilifeform;like the sicilian doctors circa 1200 from mircea_popescu's article
1224275;1438699647;asciilifeform;not 1 in 1000 is salvageable.
1224276;1438699698;asciilifeform;modern 'west' works the way it works by narrowing the victim's horizon in such a way that from the day he is born, sees entire world only through own arsehole
1224277;1438699715;asciilifeform;knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ?
1224278;1438699762;asciilifeform;i can already hear, mircea_popescu will say, 'with your cock'
1224279;1438699815;asciilifeform;to which i answer 'go to the harem and come back with why tx is not deallocated when mapTransactions is emptied'
1224280;1438699862;*;asciilifeform bbl
1224281;1438701415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23386 @ 0.00050912 = 11.9063 BTC [-] {2} 
1224282;1438701476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12664 @ 0.00050871 = 6.4423 BTC [-] {3} 
1224283;1438702914;punkman;from my spam folder: "Get paid like Seinfeld‏"
1224284;1438703916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43161 @ 0.00051087 = 22.0497 BTC [+]
1224285;1438703981;mircea_popescu;"i know hoiw to make sitcom successful in big way (like seinfeld) so please send me some pics of you" ?
1224286;1438704024;punkman;nah, usual "make money while you sleep" fare
1224287;1438704047;mircea_popescu;ok
1224288;1438704081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform long known, that machine. it consists of a belt and, as mo says, "totu-i din incheietura, ma, degeaba tot..."
1224289;1438704126;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ? << i have an easy enough time, prequals : nude, nice tits, better ass, on knees.
1224290;1438704129;mircea_popescu;works wunderbar.
1224291;1438704181;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
1224292;1438704770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00050849 = 19.6531 BTC [-]
1224293;1438705136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00051149 = 1.5856 BTC [+]
1224294;1438705358;jurov;and that woman sure knew how to deallocate after, i spose
1224295;1438705406;mircea_popescu;lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.
1224296;1438706051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00050777 = 27.6989 BTC [-] {4} 
1224297;1438706067;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
1224298;1438706478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00050531 = 2.375 BTC [-]
1224299;1438706775;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-04.log.html#t16:24:41 << ima just leave this here.
1224300;1438706776;assbot;#Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqHvM5 )
1224301;1438707693;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1224302;1438707730;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..)
1224303;1438707730;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
1224304;1438707751;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224291 << was many things-ed by women
1224305;1438707751;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 16:03:01; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
1224306;1438707771;decimation;ascii_field: did you know that openssl has a pure c implementation?
1224307;1438707787;ascii_field;reimplementation ?
1224308;1438707796;ascii_field;(in what sense would this be 'openssl' ?)
1224309;1438707802;decimation;heh
1224310;1438707810;ascii_field;or you mean the original? well no shit, c
1224311;1438707811;decimation;remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?
1224312;1438707819;ascii_field;big phat news
1224313;1438707833;*;ascii_field brainfarted, thought 'boost' for some reason
1224314;1438707864;decimation;yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
1224315;1438707887;decimation;http://www.openssl.org/source/openssl-fips-2.0.tar.gz < the 'fips' source
1224316;1438707888;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqMsV9 )
1224317;1438707903;decimation;nevermind the fips shit, they ship a pure c implementatin for cross-platform stuff
1224318;1438707918;ascii_field;snore
1224319;1438707967;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224314 << who, me? nope
1224320;1438707967;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
1224321;1438707990;ascii_field;possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction
1224322;1438708030;mircea_popescu;not retching. simply not an option.
1224323;1438708058;ascii_field;no shit
1224324;1438708078;mircea_popescu;do that, mgith as well "store your private keys with keybase.io indacloud"
1224325;1438708083;ascii_field;fwiw these don't even execute on my iron
1224326;1438708085;ascii_field;(amd)
1224327;1438708091;mircea_popescu;same cloud the brits store the islanders to create that .io in the firsat place.
1224328;1438708109;jurov;rly amd does not support? even via does
1224329;1438708138;ascii_field;jurov: not ~decade-old amd
1224330;1438708147;jurov;now i'm curious what alf thinks of via
1224331;1438708147;mircea_popescu;well if decade old, not intel even
1224332;1438708186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00050531 = 3.7898 BTC [-]
1224333;1438708827;scoopbot_revived;Sunday, August 9th event : Auction! http://trilema.com/2015/sunday-august-9th-event-auction/
1224334;1438709060;ascii_field;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is << l0l (via diametric)
1224335;1438709061;assbot;Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhY8Zo )
1224336;1438709346;trinque;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is/ctradeg << Anduck
1224337;1438709348;assbot;Anduckk comments on Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqRYai )
1224338;1438709371;mod6;<+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..) << will review, thx.
1224339;1438709371;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
1224340;1438709446;ascii_field;mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/569110/why-is-memory-still-accessible-after-stdmapclear-is-called
1224341;1438709447;assbot;c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqSmp5 )
1224342;1438709490;ascii_field;with extra lulzy part, that http://stackoverflow.com/a/569151 is catastrophically braindamaged and will segfault, guaranteed
1224343;1438709491;assbot;c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhZqnd )
1224344;1438709508;ascii_field;(iterators are invalidated by deleting element)
1224345;1438709509;trinque;hm wrong Anduck, nvm
1224346;1438709589;diametric;!up ascii_field
1224347;1438710016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20292 @ 0.0005053 = 10.2535 BTC [-] {2} 
1224348;1438710077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00050374 = 9.021 BTC [-] {3} 
1224349;1438710836;mircea_popescu;"A blockchain explorer has ONE JOB: to show its users valid blocks and transactions. Blockchain.info does not do this. It's worse than worthless; it's deceptive."
1224350;1438710847;mircea_popescu;i agree. bc.i is a pile of useless css.
1224351;1438710858;mircea_popescu;irrespective of what "venture capital" it has wasted to date.
1224352;1438710931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29435 @ 0.00051228 = 15.079 BTC [+] {4} 
1224353;1438710990;ascii_field;the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged
1224354;1438711015;mircea_popescu;they weren;t supposed to run one node
1224355;1438711019;mircea_popescu;meanwhile it turns out they lied,
1224356;1438711023;mircea_popescu;and so forth.
1224357;1438711033;ascii_field;all the turdation nodez may as well be one.
1224358;1438711070;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between these two situations.
1224359;1438711093;mircea_popescu;anyway. piuk can go dangle, i have very little respect left for his competence
1224360;1438711101;mircea_popescu;technically, intellectual or otherwise
1224361;1438711244;punkman;http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/08/04/is-extended-random-malicious/
1224362;1438711245;assbot;Is Extended Random A Malicious NSA Plot? — Quarrelsome ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnpPs )
1224363;1438711319;ascii_field;finally, names ^^
1224364;1438711327;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^
1224365;1438711336;mircea_popescu;aha
1224366;1438711418;ascii_field;'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'
1224367;1438711428;mod6;!up ascii_field
1224368;1438711465;punkman;"GnuTLS had support for OpaquePRF. Someone should ask Simon Josefsson why. OpaquePRF was very simple, so maybe he wrote it for sport."
1224369;1438711467;mircea_popescu;fucking backwards
1224370;1438711473;mircea_popescu;*I* don't need to explain myself.
1224371;1438711475;mircea_popescu;governments - do.
1224372;1438711481;mircea_popescu;they're the first ones that do.
1224373;1438711510;mircea_popescu;and wtf name is "Clyde Frog"
1224374;1438711542;ascii_field;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Clyde+Frog <<?
1224375;1438711544;assbot;Urban Dictionary: Clyde Frog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW6sRL )
1224376;1438711575;punkman;"If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme!  "
1224377;1438711578;ascii_field;^
1224378;1438711595;mircea_popescu;bullshit.
1224379;1438711614;mircea_popescu;and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"
1224380;1438711624;mircea_popescu;not "since snowden"
1224381;1438711659;ascii_field;the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds
1224382;1438711669;ascii_field;yes, medieval doctors may have debated, horse vs cow
1224383;1438711706;mircea_popescu;anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.
1224384;1438711745;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: looks to me like he's trying to unearth names/faces
1224385;1438711751;ascii_field;how well - can't say
1224386;1438711767;mircea_popescu;there's going to be none of this "two bit idiot" http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ A/B-and-spam approach to "credibility"
1224387;1438711768;assbot;How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1InoNBI )
1224388;1438711782;mircea_popescu;ascii_field he is starting in the wrong place and therefore may never succeed.
1224389;1438711802;*;ascii_field does not know where 'right place' is, so won't comment
1224390;1438711806;mircea_popescu;let me formalize this for reader's benefit.
1224391;1438711840;mircea_popescu;1. take a complex situation C about which propositions may be formed Pi which are decidably correct or false through a T(Px) function.
1224392;1438711920;mircea_popescu;2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)
1224393;1438711977;mircea_popescu;3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.
1224394;1438712022;mircea_popescu;in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.
1224395;1438712041;mircea_popescu;in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.
1224396;1438712044;ascii_field;'stopped clock'
1224397;1438712061;mircea_popescu;the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.
1224398;1438712075;ascii_field;like our german ?
1224399;1438712087;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1224400;1438712124;mircea_popescu;in any case : i am not valuing nor even reading "opinions" of anon folk ie Qs.
1224401;1438712163;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german
1224402;1438712173;mircea_popescu;specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges
1224403;1438712204;mircea_popescu;ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running "socklpuppet.org"
1224404;1438712266;mircea_popescu;anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.
1224405;1438712355;mircea_popescu;at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.
1224406;1438712369;mircea_popescu;because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.
1224407;1438712403;ascii_field;see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread
1224408;1438712413;ascii_field;(also in same thread iirc)
1224409;1438712421;mircea_popescu;aha.
1224410;1438712474;mircea_popescu;anyway. makes for great tumblr stars, goes splendid for an ama, can prolly retire to doing voice-overs for "did you know" factoid tv/nature show.
1224411;1438712480;mircea_popescu;so it's a living, best of luck.
1224412;1438712611;mircea_popescu;but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".
1224413;1438712618;mircea_popescu;probably can live off the subscriptions.
1224414;1438712626;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid
1224415;1438712644;mircea_popescu;which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.
1224416;1438712646;mircea_popescu;let the tractor plow.
1224417;1438712668;ascii_field;iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam
1224418;1438712676;mircea_popescu;lower lever there, but yeah.
1224419;1438712697;ascii_field;also alan sokal
1224420;1438712714;mircea_popescu;imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand
1224421;1438712746;ascii_field;o & y don't really belong in the picture
1224422;1438712763;ascii_field;(not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)
1224423;1438712765;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".
1224424;1438712772;mircea_popescu;literally.
1224425;1438712774;ascii_field;wai when
1224426;1438712788;mircea_popescu;when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.
1224427;1438712799;ascii_field;link ?
1224428;1438712803;mircea_popescu;and i also challenged yarvin, who... kept silent.
1224429;1438712810;mircea_popescu;which i color to mean the above.
1224430;1438712815;ascii_field;he's been silent entirely
1224431;1438712818;ascii_field;for some years now
1224432;1438712819;*;mircea_popescu goes to dig the link up
1224433;1438712848;ascii_field;they started paying yarvin to shut the fuck up
1224434;1438712849;ascii_field;recall ?
1224435;1438712860;decimation;it didn't help
1224436;1438712878;ascii_field;'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'
1224437;1438712906;decimation;specifically I'm thinking of him being booted from that conference
1224438;1438712910;decimation;where he was gonna talk about urbit
1224439;1438712925;ascii_field;he probably got a stern talk about that
1224440;1438712938;ascii_field;'you promised, no more sedition, recall?'
1224441;1438712975;decimation;yeah but his blog was already dead for at least a year or two
1224442;1438712986;mircea_popescu;holy shit i confused one blogspot for another!
1224443;1438712987;decimation;'no more past either'?
1224444;1438712991;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481156 << this is what i had in mind
1224445;1438712991;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2014 03:57:45; mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania
1224446;1438712993;mircea_popescu;not orlov is it
1224447;1438713010;mircea_popescu;dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.
1224448;1438713025;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.
1224449;1438713102;ascii_field;they keep blogs in public toilets, yes
1224450;1438713113;ascii_field;for similar reason as to why mircea_popescu doesn't want to buy his isp trunk line
1224451;1438713129;decimation;in yarvin's case I always thought it was attaching irony to google.com
1224452;1438713148;decimation;but also because poor/cheap/google is 'free'
1224453;1438713162;ascii_field;free timewise
1224454;1438713169;ascii_field;many folks can't be arsed to administer a box
1224455;1438713302;mod6;!up ascii_field
1224456;1438713325;decimation;as yarvin wrote: "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory."
1224457;1438713462;ascii_field;two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'
1224458;1438713477;mircea_popescu;jurov s.qntra shares added.
1224459;1438713484;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZNzz4SaTYk
1224460;1438713485;assbot;Los Angeles, November 2019 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKxv0G )
1224461;1438713505;*;ascii_field will transmit s.nsa broadcast when he gets home
1224462;1438713517;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't see anything directly wrong with that model.
1224463;1438713530;ascii_field;it is my working hypothesis, at any rate
1224464;1438713531;decimation;ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies
1224465;1438713541;ascii_field;decimation: we more or less know it was thiel
1224466;1438713566;mircea_popescu;what did he get anyway ? 20 billion ?
1224467;1438713578;ascii_field;iirc is was south of 15m
1224468;1438713591;mircea_popescu;if that bunch of watsap scammers got 20bn, i have no idea why anyone would take less than 10 bn a head from usg.
1224469;1438713592;ascii_field;just enough to sleep ad libitum
1224470;1438713601;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he took what was given
1224471;1438713605;mircea_popescu;gotta keep up the prices.
1224472;1438713630;mircea_popescu;i never heard of anyone sleeping as you say through "Taking what was given"
1224473;1438713632;mircea_popescu;ya know ?
1224474;1438713634;ascii_field;the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas
1224475;1438713645;mircea_popescu;heh. if only.
1224476;1438713647;decimation;nah, just let inflation eat
1224477;1438713661;ascii_field;he was, if anyone recalls, freshly broke
1224478;1438713668;decimation;he did beg
1224479;1438713670;ascii_field;after ~8 yrs of sleep-ad-libitum
1224480;1438713679;mircea_popescu;wanna bet this one won't take 4 ?
1224481;1438713690;ascii_field;already 5
1224482;1438713690;mircea_popescu;those 8 years were started in a much better time for usg.
1224483;1438713706;mircea_popescu;o ? well then!
1224484;1438713714;decimation;well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers
1224485;1438713734;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc
1224486;1438713738;ascii_field;more or less ad infinitum
1224487;1438713740;mircea_popescu;lol
1224488;1438713754;mircea_popescu;so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?
1224489;1438713758;ascii_field;it is
1224490;1438713765;ascii_field;i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still
1224491;1438713771;ascii_field;(can't be arsed to read... for a while now)
1224492;1438713776;mircea_popescu;tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"
1224493;1438713785;mircea_popescu;can't be made, most people can't figure out why.
1224494;1438713800;ascii_field;missing important attributes for this
1224495;1438713807;ascii_field;accessibility to flies
1224496;1438713825;mircea_popescu;you did just say you get daily inbox flies ?
1224497;1438713832;ascii_field;(not many flies are fluent with hindley-milner type system)
1224498;1438713843;mircea_popescu;but SOME are. and if those are the ones you want...
1224499;1438713846;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: same 6 or so bozos working still
1224500;1438713868;decimation;he had some hire working in his closet I thought
1224501;1438713903;ascii_field;he had some bloke as live-in human compiler, aha
1224502;1438713935;decimation;the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole
1224503;1438713946;decimation;the problem is that computers as-existing are in the same box
1224504;1438713959;ascii_field;it was never a good candidate for dod sc4m4tr0n because included too much of mr mold's 'thinking man likes to use his brain' masturbatronic element
1224505;1438713972;mircea_popescu;the dod is changing.
1224506;1438713991;mircea_popescu;us army used to consist of ... soldiers. now it's mostly acneic tomboys of indeterminate gender wanting to play counterstrike
1224507;1438713993;decimation;it would have been interesting as a dod project back in 1980
1224508;1438713993;ascii_field;decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 << see also.
1224509;1438713996;assbot;Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )
1224510;1438714013;decimation;yeah I've read it.  I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable
1224511;1438714150;mircea_popescu;ascii_field http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8502 << can you translate this to some sort of english i might understand ?
1224512;1438714152;assbot;Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyApd )
1224513;1438714164;mircea_popescu;it seems more akin to some sort of performance act than speech.
1224514;1438714181;ascii_field;the bozo comment ? nope
1224515;1438714192;ascii_field;it was shannonizer all the way
1224516;1438714207;ascii_field;classic style btw
1224517;1438714209;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be ?
1224518;1438714211;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ought to recognize it
1224519;1438714219;ascii_field;'we just have different goalz!!'
1224520;1438714246;mircea_popescu;my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.
1224521;1438714246;scoopbot_revived;MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-july-2015-statement/
1224522;1438714254;mircea_popescu;or fails in one of the well known modes.
1224523;1438714258;mircea_popescu;this thing just stays paste.
1224524;1438714261;ascii_field;i can't translate, but can offer a barf bag.
1224525;1438714273;*;ascii_field offers bag to mircea_popescu 
1224526;1438714287;mircea_popescu;aite.
1224527;1438714347;decimation;he links to a word-salad blog
1224528;1438714367;decimation;"More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...
1224529;1438714373;decimation;... emulation. "
1224530;1438714375;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.
1224531;1438714375;ascii_field;philippino!
1224532;1438714539;jurov;mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600
1224533;1438714609;jurov;or, better, tye report is wrong?
1224534;1438714630;jurov;yes, it's 11220 together
1224535;1438714682;jurov;derp no,it's me
1224536;1438714688;jurov;nevermind
1224537;1438715337;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1224538;1438715351;ascii_field;'SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre12 Copyright (C) 1994-2012 H. Peter Anvin et al' << noticed today
1224539;1438715381;ascii_field;(as pertaining to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222148 )
1224540;1438715381;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
1224541;1438716299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45042 @ 0.00051834 = 23.3471 BTC [+] {4} 
1224542;1438716372;punkman;http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitdefender-suffers-data-breach-customer-records-stolen/  are these daily now
1224543;1438716373;assbot;Bitdefender suffers data breach, customer records stolen | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKA6u6 )
1224544;1438716726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00050342 = 21.5967 BTC [-]
1224545;1438717162;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/nostrum/
1224546;1438717163;assbot;Nostrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6c )
1224547;1438717163;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/medallions/
1224548;1438717164;assbot;Beef Medallions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6k )
1224549;1438720569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.000522 = 23.0724 BTC [+]
1224550;1438720639;punkman;fucking ants everywhere digging holes through my walls, I think I need to call a professional
1224551;1438720739;fluffypony;punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI
1224552;1438720740;assbot;Marvel's Ant-Man - Trailer 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJZqV0 )
1224553;1438720776;punkman;how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?
1224554;1438720856;jurov;they don't, they fly in
1224555;1438720884;jurov;or it's not actually concrete but cardboard
1224556;1438721121;punkman;wondering if they are building something like this in my walls http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vnFStMEUOl0/Tsp-BV8ew6I/AAAAAAAABG0/-M34xXmw1Y8/s1600/Nest+Archeo.jpg
1224557;1438721121;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK12OC )
1224558;1438722033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00050815 = 12.1448 BTC [-] {4} 
1224559;1438722046;jurov;i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders
1224560;1438722292;jurov;!up afreakk
1224561;1438722712;punkman;!up bad_duck
1224562;1438723718;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224509 << I was trying to figure out what this urbit dukedom thing was, in in so doing found this -> http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xB36AE9849D961AC9 << I met this guy at porcfest / he was the only one there who also had his GPG fingerprint on a business card; we signed eachothers keys :D
1224563;1438723719;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 18:46:36; assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )
1224564;1438723720;assbot;Search results for '0xb36ae9849d961ac9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GHtV )
1224565;1438723746;danielpbarron;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I << this is him also selling his thingy
1224566;1438723747;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GOpl )
1224567;1438723783;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1224568;1438723792;ascii_field;danielpbarron: fare is a well-known fella
1224569;1438723801;ascii_field;from (back in the stone age!) the 'tunes' project
1224570;1438723803;danielpbarron;i got my picture with him
1224571;1438723843;ascii_field;which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing
1224572;1438723865;ascii_field;http://tunes.org << the ruins
1224573;1438723866;assbot;TUNES OS/Language Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2H0EW )
1224574;1438723941;ascii_field;he sold his almost immediately after i did, iirc
1224575;1438723954;ascii_field;btc fell, so he got roughly 2x
1224576;1438723977;ascii_field;or no, not quite
1224577;1438723983;ascii_field;i asked for fixed bag, he - auctioned
1224578;1438723986;ascii_field;(and btc fell)
1224579;1438724035;ascii_field;(by how much - i don't recall)
1224580;1438724086;ascii_field;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/urbit-dev/for$20sale/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ << where i sold mine
1224581;1438724087;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Hpah )
1224582;1438724138;ascii_field;https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
1224583;1438724140;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2HryV )
1224584;1438724165;ascii_field;and l0l, they censored some of my posts
1224585;1438724168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56216 @ 0.00051709 = 29.0687 BTC [+] {5} 
1224586;1438724173;ascii_field;but not the quoted text!
1224587;1438724174;ascii_field;go figure.
1224588;1438724235;ascii_field;'In what universe does it make cryptologic sense to keep an unchanging key around for years (decades? optimistically - centuries?) on end?' >> i said this to mr mold and i said it also to mpex !
1224589;1438724238;ascii_field;and it bears repeating.
1224590;1438724373;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/4ZFQKYn.jpg << me and fare
1224591;1438724375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKVVJV )
1224592;1438724412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00052503 = 25.674 BTC [+] {4} 
1224593;1438724655;decimation;ascii_field: std::vector is enraging
1224594;1438724657;ascii_field;https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
1224595;1438724658;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Ioax )
1224596;1438724669;decimation;there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"
1224597;1438724830;decimation;because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself
1224598;1438724859;danielpbarron;oh, on a somewhat related note: the reason I even met Fare was because I suspected that he was friends with one of my assassin targets (turned out to be false intel) so I struck a conversation with him to confirm or deny my suspicion
1224599;1438724887;danielpbarron;(i met a LOT of people this way)
1224600;1438724994;danielpbarron;i had tracked one of my targets down and found him in the main assembly space, and was prepared to follow him out (as you cannot kill someone under the roof of an offical event) but then I saw Fare walk in and I didn't want him to see me following the guy, so I walked up to him instead, and in so doing, lost my actual target :/
1224601;1438725014;ascii_field;danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.
1224602;1438725058;danielpbarron;well I gave him my card with my fingerprint and url to my website (that links mostly to b-a stuff)
1224603;1438725077;danielpbarron;we also emailed eachother signed keys, and I told him to get in the WoT, but he hasn't replied to that
1224604;1438725092;ascii_field;prolly for same reason al schwartz didn't
1224605;1438725132;ascii_field;and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'
1224606;1438725194;danielpbarron;i don't recall what I said to him, but I'm sure I explained the WoT as I did with most people I met there
1224607;1438725233;ascii_field;notice the tidbit mircea_popescu spilled earlier: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223911
1224608;1438725233;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
1224609;1438725253;ascii_field;if this is so, it means that ~everyone who has subscribed to mpex~ is 'early adopter'
1224610;1438725270;BingoBoingo;Oh printer ink market is dying http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-04/epson-is-about-to-solve-the-most-annoying-problem-with-inkjet-printers
1224611;1438725271;assbot;Epson Is About to Solve the Most Annoying Problem With Inkjet Printers - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYj3j )
1224612;1438725296;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: nubbins` had this for years
1224613;1438725303;ascii_field;but more generally, inkjet is a scam from day 1
1224614;1438725313;ascii_field;there is not an elixir to make it into anything other than a scam
1224615;1438725321;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Sure, but now nubbinsisms are apparently being targeted at lusers
1224616;1438725322;ascii_field;the printheads, for instance, are typically designed to fail rapidly
1224617;1438725330;ascii_field;so they can buy printheads
1224618;1438725338;ascii_field;'but it isn't an ink cartridge! stfu and buy'
1224619;1438725350;ascii_field;classic sc4mz0r switcheroo
1224620;1438725374;*;BingoBoingo back in school when needed to print switched to "laser" after buying second black scamjet cartridge
1224621;1438725382;decimation;ascii_field: http://www.cartesianco.com/ < they use 1980's era inkjet cartridges to 'print circuits'
1224622;1438725384;assbot;Cartesian Co ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYwU8 )
1224623;1438725399;decimation;apparently a binary system: silver nitrate and asorbic acid
1224624;1438725404;decimation;shelf life: 6 months
1224625;1438725409;ascii_field;ancient history
1224626;1438725414;ascii_field;and works about as well as you'd expect
1224627;1438725418;ascii_field;(massive impedance)
1224628;1438725423;decimation;I can't imagine it would work well
1224629;1438725439;decimation;most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'
1224630;1438725439;ascii_field;ever make 'resistor' with pencil as a boy ?
1224631;1438725441;ascii_field;precisely this
1224632;1438725447;decimation;which suck even more, but have longer shelf life
1224633;1438725458;ascii_field;it is gimmicky crap, all of it
1224634;1438725472;decimation;yeah I would like to hear 'adult use'
1224635;1438725497;ascii_field;none
1224636;1438725500;ascii_field;and don't expect any.
1224637;1438725561;decimation;they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see
1224638;1438725633;decimation;at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff
1224639;1438725644;decimation;the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear
1224640;1438725646;decimation;!up ascii_field
1224641;1438725680;ascii_field;'macrofab' went in the entirely other direction (using slaves)
1224642;1438725690;decimation;that seems like a much better solution actually
1224643;1438725699;ascii_field;costwise
1224644;1438725703;ascii_field;quality-wise - not so much
1224645;1438725712;decimation;well, it depends on quality of slave - and his instructions
1224646;1438725727;ascii_field;smt parts were not designed to be placed by hand
1224647;1438725732;decimation;my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow
1224648;1438725757;decimation;but still need human to execute instructions.
1224649;1438726053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224554 << some actually can do this.
1224650;1438726053;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 20:40:56; jurov: they don't, they fly in
1224651;1438726181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00052935 = 27.1557 BTC [+] {4} 
1224652;1438727518;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1224653;1438727668;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1224654;1438727669;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.61, Best ask: 285.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 285.61, 24 hour volume: 12327.26729006, 24 hour low: 281.25, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None
1224655;1438730085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15963 @ 0.0005081 = 8.1108 BTC [-]
1224656;1438730512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.000516 = 10.853 BTC [+] {3} 
1224657;1438730695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050177 = 20.6729 BTC [-]
1224658;1438731037;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224121 heh
1224659;1438731037;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
1224660;1438731065;jurov;cue http://lojban.org
1224661;1438731067;assbot;Lojban ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRe4M )
1224662;1438731083;jurov;"a constructed language based on predicate logic"
1224663;1438731111;danielpbarron;flat clump of slag you say?
1224664;1438731133;jurov;lenin, the first eulorian
1224665;1438731190;danielpbarron;http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/fcos.html
1224666;1438731226;danielpbarron;(a very useful ingredient)
1224667;1438731262;jurov;плоский слиток шлакa
1224668;1438731488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00052743 = 5.8307 BTC [+] {4} 
1224669;1438731664;jurov;perhaps better: сгусток шлакa
1224670;1438731854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00053309 = 8.5827 BTC [+] {2} 
1224671;1438732386;mircea_popescu;in the same vein, http://40.media.tumblr.com/dc5617142344a8a695c2367e21a5e726/tumblr_mq2205wTMc1szbpdho1_1280.jpg
1224672;1438732387;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6KdRU )
1224673;1438733562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.0005168 = 26.2018 BTC [-]
1224674;1438734419;BingoBoingo;http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhK9j5aY3lFfCD9036
1224675;1438734420;assbot;Needed Her Money: Alleged Prostitute Rides On The Hood Of A Cop's Car!  | New Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWz0e0 )
1224676;1438735270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98235 @ 0.00051292 = 50.3867 BTC [-] {4} 
1224677;1438735636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145274 @ 0.00050124 = 72.8171 BTC [-] {3} 
1224678;1438735786;scoopbot_revived;US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/
1224679;1438735850;BingoBoingo;Loosing to ISIL and the Internet
1224680;1438735854;BingoBoingo;*Losing
1224681;1438735864;BingoBoingo;Loosing comes later... in the ass
1224682;1438736124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12976 @ 0.00049661 = 6.444 BTC [-]
1224683;1438736296;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1224684;1438736303;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 284.13, vol: 6222.69687933 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 280.56, vol: 5019.50454 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 285.08, vol: 11510.87784978 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 291.84, vol: 0.51593653 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.61277, vol: 10554.99960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 282.7, vol: 36.60723768 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 286.027924, vol: 32.92292037 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1224685;1438736306;BingoBoingo;;;more
1224686;1438736306;gribble;283.757614044
1224687;1438736312;BingoBoingo;Needs moar drama
1224688;1438738076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00050801 = 24.3337 BTC [+]
1224689;1438738733;decimation;no, you see bitcoin is unusable because the btc/usd price swings wildly
1224690;1438738772;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1224691;1438738775;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224678 << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum
1224692;1438738775;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 00:49:46; scoopbot_revived: US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/
1224693;1438738777;gribble;Current Blocks: 368449 | Current Difficulty: 5.227830484559168E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 368927 | Next Difficulty In: 478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 37 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.80941
1224694;1438738780;BingoBoingo;Seems like the most stable thing
1224695;1438738889;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ... << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum << Probably not yet. This seems like a clean return to keep the fire burning. Now later...
1224696;1438739235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20594 @ 0.00052819 = 10.8775 BTC [+] {3} 
1224697;1438739246;decimation;there are plenty of other class A blocks
1224698;1438739267;decimation;the 'shortage of ipv4 addresses' is strictly imaginary
1224699;1438739276;asciilifeform;all ultimately controlled by the 'international komyooonity' aka usg
1224700;1438739296;decimation;not all of them, some are controlled by us corps
1224701;1438739318;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks
1224702;1438739319;assbot;List of assigned /8 IPv4 address blocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ma9YIW )
1224703;1438739338;decimation;MIT has a whole class A
1224704;1438739395;asciilifeform;whole list consists of direct crown subsidiaries of usg
1224705;1438739403;asciilifeform;almost a literal catalogue of'em
1224706;1438739414;asciilifeform;e.g., 'general electric', 'at&t'
1224707;1438739417;asciilifeform;'ford motor'
1224708;1438739423;asciilifeform;'halliburton'.
1224709;1438739439;decimation;heh ham radio still has 44/8
1224710;1438739442;decimation;I have a few of those
1224711;1438739468;*;BingoBoingo thinks 2 meter band has promise. Still needs to get radio.
1224712;1438739490;decimation;BingoBoingo: it's kinda like slightly less retarded CB
1224713;1438739519;decimation;I find shortwave to be more interesting
1224714;1438739527;decimation;but it takes years of 'reading logs' to know what's on there
1224715;1438739530;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son)
1224716;1438739534;BingoBoingo;Sure, but on the used market there seems to be some actually interesting rigs made for it with broad listening spectrum.
1224717;1438739556;decimation;asciilifeform: it's a big deal, hams know their number is up
1224718;1438739556;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son) << The part where cellular is worthless?
1224719;1438739564;asciilifeform;as for shortwave, virtually nobody owns their band properly speaking - the crackpot stations lease a time slot (typically, weekly)
1224720;1438739576;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the part where they work as amateur stoolies for usg
1224721;1438739580;BingoBoingo;Ah
1224722;1438739582;asciilifeform;ratting out spectrum violators
1224723;1438739595;asciilifeform;to the point where usg proper barely ever has to hunt for'em
1224724;1438739606;decimation;my understanding is that the fcc doesn't give a fuck unless it interferes with broadcast radio or aircraft
1224725;1438739615;asciilifeform;or licensee complains
1224726;1438739618;decimation;yes, usg has been spoiled
1224727;1438739619;asciilifeform;which is what usually happens
1224728;1438739641;decimation;asciilifeform: they do more than just report 'pirates'
1224729;1438739656;asciilifeform;they actively drive around, do the gruntwork, triangulate
1224730;1438739659;decimation;for instance: http://www.arrl.org/grow-light-rfi
1224731;1438739661;assbot;Grow Light RFI ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaabvT )
1224732;1438739662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104159 @ 0.0005338 = 55.6001 BTC [+] {2} 
1224733;1438739670;decimation;yeah, because usg is too lazy to do it
1224734;1438739676;decimation;who else is gonna keep people off their bands
1224735;1438739688;decimation;apparently 'grow lights' are extremely terrible rfi generators
1224736;1438739702;decimation;to the point that they can effectively jam shortwave for miles
1224737;1438739732;decimation;hams complain to the fcc: why aren't you cracking down on noisy-ass producers?
1224738;1438739742;asciilifeform;i'd be surprised if there weren't some usg collusion with the manufacturers
1224739;1438739751;decimation;hehe that's possible
1224740;1438739755;decimation;hams would be the last to know
1224741;1438739763;asciilifeform;there is nothing intrinsically noisy re: fucking lamp
1224742;1438739766;asciilifeform;srsly
1224743;1438739773;decimation;there is if you are a dumbfuck
1224744;1438739786;asciilifeform;what are they using, arc lights ?
1224745;1438739790;asciilifeform;it is 1870 now ?
1224746;1438739874;decimation;apparently extremely shitty ballasts on florescents
1224747;1438739898;asciilifeform;usg could interdict at customs. doesn't. no prizes for guessing why.
1224748;1438739927;asciilifeform;poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles
1224749;1438739932;decimation;http://www.w0qe.com/RF_Interference/grow_light_electronic_ballasts.html < details
1224750;1438739933;assbot;Grow light electronic ballasts ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaaqqD )
1224751;1438739947;decimation;"Being anonymous and trying to fly under "the radar" is not easy when you are generating this much RF interference.  The fourth item in the table was 1/2 mile away and still was easily heard on 40 meters.
1224752;1438739955;decimation;(7 mhz)
1224753;1438739977;decimation;yeah actually if the conditions are right you could pick that stuff up from 1000 miles away
1224754;1438739989;decimation;spams the entire world
1224755;1438740011;decimation;ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights
1224756;1438740104;decimation;I can't imagine that these lights are installed safely
1224757;1438740146;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles << I remember freshman year of undergrad being high as fuck reading about infared indentification of marijuana and not realizing till I sobered up that they were talking grow lights and not smoke.
1224758;1438740160;asciilifeform;l0l
1224759;1438740167;BingoBoingo;<decimation> ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights << Best part of spectrum for plant growth.
1224760;1438740189;BingoBoingo;Then change color temperature to maximise flowering
1224761;1438740189;decimation;sure, but to handle that kind of power you really should use 220v circuits
1224762;1438740204;decimation;and non-shit magnetic ballasts, cost $$
1224763;1438740227;BingoBoingo;Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?
1224764;1438740249;decimation;well, I'm assuming most installations use several of these 1000w units
1224765;1438740266;decimation;but if you are going to do it industrially, than 480v three-phase
1224766;1438740275;decimation;using 208v single phase strings
1224767;1438740365;BingoBoingo;Honestly by now I'd expect them to embrace the LED efficienty or build their own reactors.
1224768;1438740383;decimation;I think they do make LED grow lights but then you are talking $$$$
1224769;1438740455;decimation;https://www.blackdogled.com/phytomax800.html < 800w for $2.34k
1224770;1438740458;assbot;PhytoMAX 800 LED Grow Lights | Black Dog LED Growing Lights ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaaJln )
1224771;1438740507;BingoBoingo;There's always $$$ involved in industry.
1224772;1438740561;decimation;yeah but high pressure sodium is less than $500
1224773;1438740581;decimation;granted, it's less efficent, but you gotta invest for the long term to make back that kind of money
1224774;1438740620;BingoBoingo;Lighting really doesn't need that much time to roi.
1224775;1438740648;BingoBoingo;Anywhere really
1224776;1438740987;decimation;well, it appears to cost 5x up front for roughly double the efficiency
1224777;1438741004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00053373 = 18.1233 BTC [-]
1224778;1438741101;BingoBoingo;And then add time and a low IR signature
1224779;1438741164;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, decimation: after a certain energy cost, the balance tips to 'grow it in goatfuckistan and fly in on horizon-hugging drone'
1224780;1438741174;decimation;heh it still produces 2730 btu
1224781;1438741180;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course
1224782;1438741209;asciilifeform;or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope
1224783;1438741215;asciilifeform;(e.coli don't need sunlight)
1224784;1438741225;BingoBoingo;decimation: If serious though why go for apparatus designed for "grow"
1224785;1438741241;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope << Soon
1224786;1438741247;asciilifeform;or not
1224787;1438741260;asciilifeform;i can hardly think of any industry more idiotically hidebound than the dope folks
1224788;1438741260;decimation;I suspect if were simple it would have been done already
1224789;1438741309;BingoBoingo;There's already opiate shitting e. coli probably it will take one niche at a time.
1224790;1438741322;asciilifeform;for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
1224791;1438741331;asciilifeform;or did they succeed in keeping this under wraps
1224792;1438741335;decimation;same thing.  I think they still grow poppies for us opiate industry
1224793;1438741336;BingoBoingo;<decimation> I suspect if were simple it would have been done already << Why no 7nm junction consumer chips?
1224794;1438741374;decimation;because it's neigh impossible to scale euv light sources?
1224795;1438741417;asciilifeform;decimation: poppy is cheaper - but only when there are no armies coming at you for growing'em
1224796;1438741437;asciilifeform;(cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan)
1224797;1438741470;asciilifeform;the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
1224798;1438741474;asciilifeform;i will not say that this is factual
1224799;1438741485;asciilifeform;but i will also not say that it is an unfounded belief
1224800;1438741505;decimation;I suspect that usg isn't too heartbroken over it
1224801;1438741527;asciilifeform;they did help afghan restart opium
1224802;1438741530;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan) << Medical poppy in India, Culinary poppy in Eastern Europe, and Recreational poppy in Afghanistan
1224803;1438741537;decimation;well, what else are they gonna grow? dirt?
1224804;1438741541;asciilifeform;dirt.
1224805;1438741572;asciilifeform;pushing opium at the untermenschen is a long, proud anglo tradition.
1224806;1438741576;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin << US pretty rotten with heroin too. DEA pressure on doctors and economy will do that.
1224807;1438741587;asciilifeform;u.s was rotting with it in 1910
1224808;1438741602;asciilifeform;in ru it was virtually ~unknown~ until '90s
1224809;1438741614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19986 @ 0.00051451 = 10.283 BTC [-]
1224810;1438741635;BingoBoingo;Back in 1910 US was rotting with tincures of opium. Now Zohydro is stocked to the gills in most pharmacies.
1224811;1438741637;asciilifeform;the internashnal komyoooonity helped to change this.
1224812;1438741658;decimation;according to wikipedia it's not legal to grow poppies for food seed/paste
1224813;1438741669;asciilifeform;any more than hemp, for rope.
1224814;1438741696;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205975 < jurov got me interested in the european 'poppy bread'
1224815;1438741696;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 21:13:26; jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy
1224816;1438741734;decimation;http://dobruchut.azet.sk/recept/6087/makovnik-a-orechovnik/
1224817;1438741735;assbot;Makovník a orechovník - Dobruchut.sk ... ( http://bit.ly/1MabGdq )
1224818;1438741751;decimation;asciilifeform: surely in ru/ukraine they have something similar
1224819;1438741761;asciilifeform;could've sworn i had this dish here
1224820;1438741764;asciilifeform;in good old mordor
1224821;1438741770;asciilifeform;but it was probably from an importer
1224822;1438741777;decimation;yeah, you can buy poppy in safeway
1224823;1438741782;decimation;poppy seeds
1224824;1438741795;BingoBoingo;Most "medical" opiates come from Indian latex and EU straw. Seeds aren't an economicaly viable source of drug product.
1224825;1438741848;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but it was probably from an importer << ROasted seeds are happily imported en mass.
1224826;1438741980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83767 @ 0.00051451 = 43.099 BTC [-] {2} 
1224827;1438742001;BingoBoingo;www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/04/russia_locust_invasion_swarms_of_locusts_devastate_crops_defy_government.html << Meanwhile no US news stories on the molds which are going to reduce North American grain yields substantially this year.
1224828;1438742023;decimation;yeah it's been terribly wet in the midwest
1224829;1438742102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005285 = 11.5742 BTC [+] {4} 
1224830;1438742169;BingoBoingo;I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
1224831;1438742203;decimation;yeah makes sense.  looks like usg's weather bureau is calling for a cold and wet winter for the southern half of the us
1224832;1438742242;BingoBoingo;Winter doesn't really matter much in the scheme of things outside the California desert.
1224833;1438742256;decimation;not as far as food productiong goes, no
1224834;1438742261;decimation;florida too
1224835;1438742307;BingoBoingo;Dry summers kill crops. Hot wet summers kill crops. The best a we winter does here is offers crops a marginal head start.
1224836;1438742380;BingoBoingo;This year though with the water so far has been awfully bad for orchards.
1224837;1438742406;BingoBoingo;Peach trees are splitting left and right.
1224838;1438742406;decimation;amusingly california is still lacking water
1224839;1438742421;decimation;although it looks like the colorado river will be up
1224840;1438742430;BingoBoingo;They knew it was a desert fuck them
1224841;1438742459;BingoBoingo;Just like the rest of Aztlan
1224842;1438742506;BingoBoingo;In a month and a half it will be interesting to see if edible apples happen this year.
1224843;1438742708;BingoBoingo;If the apple trees start breaking up like the peach trees when they put out fruit this year that will be a double whammy rare, takes a decade to catch up damage.
1224844;1438742975;BingoBoingo;Winter 2013-2014 we got weeks of subzero weather, but no lasting damage. Summer 2012 mega-drought (by midwest standards) best peaches ever no lasting damage. This year with a bit cooler than normal summer and lots of rain... it looks like shit is going to be expensive for a while
1224845;1438743095;decimation;eh, people will just get apples from new zealand
1224846;1438743101;decimation;or chile
1224847;1438743133;BingoBoingo;Maybe? Or perhaps they just won't get apples because economy.
1224848;1438743551;BingoBoingo;!up jordandotdev
1224849;1438743655;decimation;what brings you here jordandotdev?
1224850;1438743690;ben_vulpes;what brings you /back/, jordandotdev?
1224851;1438743704;*;ben_vulpes is alive, barely
1224852;1438743704;jordandotdev;I don't know it was in my autojoin channels list
1224853;1438743713;jordandotdev;haven't logged into irccloud in a few weeks
1224854;1438743919;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: WHat ails you? Kittens? Puppies?
1224855;1438743978;decimation;ragweed?
1224856;1438743979;ben_vulpes;an surfeit of things to do and people to do them
1224857;1438743983;ben_vulpes;a*
1224858;1438744012;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too. << tell me about it
1224859;1438744054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25971 @ 0.0005145 = 13.3621 BTC [-] {4} 
1224860;1438744107;BingoBoingo;Has giant ragweed made it that far north yet?
1224861;1438744130;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/nrX72 << Moar streaming, Moar copyrastas
1224862;1438744131;assbot;Major League Baseball just signed a huge deal to stream NHL content | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoOO75 )
1224863;1438744146;mircea_popescu;proposed BingoBoingo boxing partner http://41.media.tumblr.com/966fea39212db8797c6799648e7d8025/tumblr_n2ea5m0ZnX1ss63vyo1_1280.jpg
1224864;1438744148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoOR2R )
1224865;1438744176;*;BingoBoingo may lose, but would be ok with that
1224866;1438744183;mircea_popescu;to lose is to win!
1224867;1438744191;BingoBoingo;It really is.
1224868;1438744381;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224763 << yeah, you really want "triphased" ie 380v
1224869;1438744381;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 02:03:47; BingoBoingo: Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?
1224870;1438744397;mircea_popescu;which, in europe, costs the asking.
1224871;1438744404;mircea_popescu;in south america simply can't be had period
1224872;1438744409;mircea_popescu;i imagine in the us it costs note from stalin
1224873;1438744486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you got mailz
1224874;1438744490;asciilifeform;(broadcast!)
1224875;1438744497;mircea_popescu;cool!
1224876;1438744538;decimation;in us you must have 'note from local stalin' ie zoning board
1224877;1438744549;decimation;and/or local electric monopoly
1224878;1438744550;*;BingoBoingo waiting for mails. Doing the dance again with Uni to set up job interview. This time as customer service god. Would once again take cheapest of accomodations available for the lulz.
1224879;1438744603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13031 @ 0.00050581 = 6.5912 BTC [-]
1224880;1438744682;decimation;interesting europe does use 380v
1224881;1438744683;decimation;weird
1224882;1438744696;asciilifeform;in same places as usa - 240
1224883;1438744698;mircea_popescu;yes. why weird ?
1224884;1438744719;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article29918518.html << Apparently US bullets don't kill anymore? Or false flag?
1224885;1438744720;assbot;Shiloh police investigating gunshots fired toward tavern | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ijlo9i )
1224886;1438744727;mircea_popescu;europe uses 220 for residential, 380 optional. or otherwise you can get a 2 or 5kv industrial line.
1224887;1438744729;decimation;mircea_popescu: because usa uses 480v
1224888;1438744740;decimation;for industrial three-phase
1224889;1438744744;mircea_popescu;i think the usa 480 is used in place of the 2kv myeah
1224890;1438744786;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, I want the raw shit before it hits the transformer. I want to light my abode with an arc stretching across the room.
1224891;1438744839;mircea_popescu;not os healthy.
1224892;1438744865;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/KgCCvTC.jpg
1224893;1438744866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoQspk )
1224894;1438744869;BingoBoingo;Ozone isn't as bad as the cigarettes I already smoke
1224895;1438744871;asciilifeform;^ in the city where i wurk
1224896;1438744882;decimation;us actually uses 240 for residential but it's delivered in two phases which are split at the panel.  but it's common to use the full 240 for dryers and large equipment
1224897;1438744904;asciilifeform;according to fishwrap, some schmuck argued with gurl. policeman busted in. he snapped, drew pistol, shot gurl, then self in the head, brainz in all directions
1224898;1438744941;decimation;wait, schmuck or policeman?
1224899;1438744948;asciilifeform;schmuck
1224900;1438744952;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely clear why the thiord phase is 160 rather than 110 in eu syste, but anywya
1224901;1438744960;*;BingoBoingo can't wait till Fergusonversary
1224902;1438744962;asciilifeform;possibly all the police in the county ended up at the scene. largely standing around and looking busy
1224903;1438744981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the lower number is generally root-mean-square
1224904;1438744985;asciilifeform;the higher, peak to peak sine
1224905;1438744994;asciilifeform;this is the basic confusion of voltage oddities
1224906;1438744996;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to fit
1224907;1438745004;mircea_popescu;but i'm too lazy to actually figure it, so.
1224908;1438745028;BingoBoingo;That was a good parking garage http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/officers-won-t-face-charges-in-fatal-shooting-at-mizzou/article_5e355582-020d-564a-b61c-9348bf74194b.html
1224909;1438745074;BingoBoingo;And further a lol only socialism can bring http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-sues-own-civil-service-commission-over-reinstatement-of/article_ff9a4c8e-9783-5d43-aefb-f52aa07180d9.html
1224910;1438745075;assbot;St. Louis sues own Civil Service Commission over reinstatement of police officer : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoQRrK )
1224911;1438745083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: approx., rms ~= 0.7071 * peaktopeak
1224912;1438745098;asciilifeform;e.g., rms(170) ~= 120, the u.s. traditional
1224913;1438745112;decimation;yeah for example in us 3-phase 480 volt, half (phase to neutral) is 240
1224914;1438745118;decimation;which is what is split off and run to house
1224915;1438745120;asciilifeform;(1/sqrt(2) for the curious)
1224916;1438745143;decimation;typically ac voltage is worked in rms, because it acts like dc
1224917;1438745152;asciilifeform;aha
1224918;1438745165;asciilifeform;or rather, the rms value is the one which makes any sense to use in calculation of wattage
1224919;1438745171;decimation;yes
1224920;1438745207;*;decimation didn't take power engineering in ee school; had other things to worry about
1224921;1438745215;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, it has been a while http://slashdot.org/submission/4733189/dod-surrenders-large-legacy-ipv4-allocation
1224922;1438745217;assbot;DoD Surrenders Large Legacy IPv4 Allocation - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoR7ad )
1224923;1438745257;decimation;my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time
1224924;1438745268;decimation;along side 'electricians'
1224925;1438745278;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is about as 'shocking' as when usg 'surrendered' the 'strategic helium reserve' to smiths's detection corp. to make neutron detectors to sell back to usg/dhs
1224926;1438745322;decimation;I found it disappointing that having an ee degree counts for nothing when designing wiring for your house
1224927;1438745323;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is a traditionally american type of graft, practiced enthusiastically and mostly openly since george washington
1224928;1438745327;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You don't understand. If Assad did this the rope would be on Ebay
1224929;1438745333;asciilifeform;l0l
1224930;1438745355;decimation;asciilifeform: go try to pull an electrical permit from pg county on the basis of your degrees
1224931;1438745363;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, it is a guild thing
1224932;1438745371;asciilifeform;no apprenticeship, no permit
1224933;1438745385;asciilifeform;go and get license to practice medicine on the basis of, whatever, nobel in biology
1224934;1438745389;asciilifeform;same idea.
1224935;1438745394;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cool beans
1224936;1438745394;decimation;indeed.
1224937;1438745421;BingoBoingo;<decimation> my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time << In hometown I once pulled permit to fuck with wiring by saying "Hey mayor Joe, sign this"
1224938;1438745428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually in ro they let you do it.
1224939;1438745454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, in ru you can even get driver license for a benjie
1224940;1438745458;asciilifeform;(no exams, etc)
1224941;1438745460;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not on front page yet, but may as well submit since no one else took this low hanging tomato
1224942;1438745475;asciilifeform;almost a 'litmus' for orc lands
1224943;1438745489;asciilifeform;can you get license without ever having touched a steering wheel
1224944;1438745494;decimation;asciilifeform: you should try that in pg county
1224945;1438745496;decimation;I bet it would work
1224946;1438745501;mircea_popescu;nah, the idea is that if you get a good enough achievement, you get auto-diploma or w/e.
1224947;1438745511;mircea_popescu;i got to bypass normal college entrance exams because olympiads.
1224948;1438745531;decimation;us knows nothing like this
1224949;1438745534;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is the basic 'orc' mechanism - someone had the liberty to say 'this kid passes, because fuck all of you'
1224950;1438745535;mircea_popescu;so yeah, can practice medicine on basis of nobel prize.
1224951;1438745541;asciilifeform;in usa this is unthinkable
1224952;1438745543;mircea_popescu;nah, it was a rule per se.
1224953;1438745547;decimation;absolutely unthinkable
1224954;1438745555;decimation;think of all the bureaucrats that would suddenly be powerless
1224955;1438745559;mircea_popescu;quite.
1224956;1438745563;asciilifeform;even ~actual~ medical degree from, e.g., ussr, is specifically not recognized by usg
1224957;1438745565;mircea_popescu;which is the very poiint of it.
1224958;1438745572;asciilifeform;doesn't matter how many decades of practice
1224959;1438745589;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, same for pharmacists & other medical 'trades'
1224960;1438745594;mircea_popescu;iirc had that too. if decades of practice, valid degree by default.
1224961;1438745607;asciilifeform;(i suppose the entrails of untermenschen differ from those of aryans, hence degree doesn't count)
1224962;1438745609;mircea_popescu;might have been thrown out meanwhielk tho
1224963;1438745638;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2015-August/078072.html << l0l
1224964;1438745639;assbot;Leak or legit ? 11/8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjnxBP )
1224965;1438745800;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224790 << the deal is, the us keeps pretending like it's fighting and in exchange the cartels keep pretending like they're fighting too.
1224966;1438745800;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 02:22:02; asciilifeform: for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
1224967;1438745827;mircea_popescu;the idiotic non-violent behaviour of ruminants is not limited to ruminants. nobody really aims to gore the other party.
1224968;1438745834;mircea_popescu;except maybe us, allegedly.
1224969;1438745839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my (admittedly limited) understanding is that usg play-fights with ~some~ organizations, and ~actually~ interdicts others
1224970;1438745853;mircea_popescu;maybe
1224971;1438745887;mircea_popescu;it's a game. who do they actually interdict, the "criminal" "biker gangs" ?
1224972;1438745895;mircea_popescu;even that got negotiated away.
1224973;1438745907;mircea_popescu;pencildicks wanna use the heads. because dicks frangible.
1224974;1438745908;decimation;they do when the papers say embarassing things
1224975;1438745916;decimation;embarassing to bureaucrats
1224976;1438745931;decimation;otherwise the bureaucrats don't give a fuck
1224977;1438745958;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224797 << if you can you must and all that. recall the discussion.
1224978;1438745958;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 02:24:30; asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
1224979;1438745958;asciilifeform;dope from 'favourite sons' - passes. from less-favourite - interdicted, to keep the jailatron lubed, and the high priesthood supplied with coke
1224980;1438745970;mircea_popescu;heroin is really the perfect answer to the overpopulation problem.
1224981;1438745974;mircea_popescu;reddit can't resist it, so...
1224982;1438746005;asciilifeform;perfect answer to ~the other fella's~ 'overpopulation' yes
1224983;1438746013;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cloud cleanses all historicity
1224984;1438746019;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544231 << see also
1224985;1438746019;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2014 01:44:19; asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
1224986;1438746032;mircea_popescu;everyone's.
1224987;1438746045;ben_vulpes;!s unable to join
1224988;1438746046;assbot;0 results for 'unable to join' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=unable+to+join
1224989;1438746048;mircea_popescu;the problem is simply this : as you get successful you get fat, and that fat is then... coming to expect.
1224990;1438746080;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it's a game. who do they actually interdict, the "criminal" "biker gangs" ? << Much of this demographic is USG. Not in the informant sense, but USG peeps needed meanign in their lives.
1224991;1438746114;ben_vulpes;has anyone else compiled the maxint patch and received db.log errors of "unable to join environment"?
1224992;1438746129;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: please post your debug.log
1224993;1438746137;BingoBoingo;^
1224994;1438746139;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have not observed this, no
1224995;1438746155;decimation;asciilifeform: did you figure out how you are gonna 'free' the data pointed to by map?
1224996;1438746161;asciilifeform;got 3 (well, 3 public, 1 test platform) nodez running, with patch
1224997;1438746169;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224830 << will make hfcs just fine
1224998;1438746169;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 02:36:09; BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
1224999;1438746170;asciilifeform;decimation: yes
1225000;1438746177;mircea_popescu;and besides, there's plenty stockpiled
1225001;1438746179;asciilifeform;decimation: not ready for primetime yet
1225002;1438746206;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0W6AR1C
1225003;1438746207;assbot;dpaste: 0W6AR1C ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjoJoM )
1225004;1438746209;decimation;in which cpp file is the allocation stuff?
1225005;1438746210;asciilifeform;this is actually why only prices of ~food-grade food~ rise in usa
1225006;1438746220;asciilifeform;of the recycled food - never
1225007;1438746231;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Can make HCFS, but... less of it. Far less ears on the corn than I expect to see.
1225008;1438746234;asciilifeform;decimation: nowhere. implicit destructor
1225009;1438746254;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it stops here ?
1225010;1438746257;decimation;my uni was across the river from massive hfcs plant.  every day whole *trains* of hfcs tank cars would leave the station there
1225011;1438746281;asciilifeform;decimation: i often watch the trains go by, where i live. often, whole train is this.
1225012;1438746289;asciilifeform;prolefeed.
1225013;1438746289;decimation;asciilifeform: lol no wonder 'leak'
1225014;1438746305;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't even see it doing anything with strace
1225015;1438746322;ben_vulpes;i'll try to nuke some state and come back with more useful information.
1225016;1438746364;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you mentioned an error ?
1225017;1438746367;asciilifeform;where does it appear
1225018;1438746371;asciilifeform;i don't see it in the paste
1225019;1438746384;ben_vulpes;db.log, sir.
1225020;1438746392;asciilifeform;plz post?
1225021;1438746416;asciilifeform;(historically, i've found that fatal problems with db typically come from a dirty death)
1225022;1438746433;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/2W61D9D abridged
1225023;1438746434;assbot;dpaste: 2W61D9D ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ijpcr6 )
1225024;1438746437;asciilifeform;which is why bitcoin has to be prevented from crashing, at more or less any cost
1225025;1438746445;ben_vulpes;myes, i agree.
1225026;1438746455;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ~which~ patch did you apply ?
1225027;1438746458;ben_vulpes;however the build i made on 7-15 with the dumpblock patch boots from the same datadir.
1225028;1438746465;ben_vulpes;maxint_locks
1225029;1438746468;asciilifeform;link?
1225030;1438746497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you check this sig ?
1225031;1438746498;mircea_popescu;gpg: Signature made Wed 05 Aug 2015 12:13:13 AM ART using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
1225032;1438746498;mircea_popescu;gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
1225033;1438746498;mircea_popescu;gpg: Can't check signature: general error
1225034;1438746506;asciilifeform;!
1225035;1438746555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hash of plaintext?
1225036;1438746581;mircea_popescu;65865b6fdb76424c2535cf7a5f203fc88a541927e3e113db5c26a82e8a0561a8ca428ebe6611b1122f5ebc88c6bf3a3bcf1306ecfb1f4b4af29200967de43fc1
1225037;1438746602;asciilifeform;sha512?
1225038;1438746619;ben_vulpes;the first, asciilifeform
1225039;1438746625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does not match mine!
1225040;1438746647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no nm, false alarm.
1225041;1438746654;mircea_popescu;the hash:sha512 line got mangled.
1225042;1438746657;asciilifeform;l0l
1225043;1438746719;asciilifeform;what a downer
1225044;1438746724;asciilifeform;was hoping, glass cannon fired.
1225045;1438746724;decimation;asciilifeform: so the basic problem with the map is that it never goes out of scope?
1225046;1438746745;asciilifeform;decimation: the point is that .clear() doesn't invoke the destructors
1225047;1438746751;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: did you find a reason why maxint wouldn't work, or is the second patch just using mircea_popescu's lock values for 'myzteeri0us reezuns'?
1225048;1438746760;asciilifeform;this is apparently well-known to habitual users of 'boost'
1225049;1438746777;decimation;ah, this is a feature of 'boost'?
1225050;1438746779;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: go get the first (not 'CORRECTED') version of the patch
1225051;1438746783;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it uses maxint
1225052;1438746786;mircea_popescu;sorry but that
1225053;1438746786;asciilifeform;and see what it does on your box.
1225054;1438746789;ben_vulpes;that's the one i'm using!
1225055;1438746794;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1225056;1438746799;asciilifeform;that's why yer node is dead
1225057;1438746815;asciilifeform;guessed as much.
1225058;1438746818;ben_vulpes;...
1225059;1438746829;ben_vulpes;so i am to expect that patches arriving in the ML aren't even tested now?
1225060;1438746836;asciilifeform;it was tested!
1225061;1438746842;asciilifeform;and correction was posted minutes later
1225062;1438746846;mircea_popescu;lol
1225063;1438746848;asciilifeform;recall, flagship nodes were wedged
1225064;1438746853;asciilifeform;was a very rushed thing.
1225065;1438746861;ben_vulpes;"here's a fix"
1225066;1438746864;ben_vulpes;"does it work?"
1225067;1438746866;ben_vulpes;"let me see"
1225068;1438746866;asciilifeform;see logz
1225069;1438746890;asciilifeform;srsly, ben_vulpes managed to install the uncorrected patch in the minutes between it and the new one ??
1225070;1438746890;ben_vulpes;plz for to slightly more detail in patchdescs.
1225071;1438746895;decimation;oh I thought this was all about the stl map, not boost unordered map
1225072;1438746899;asciilifeform;did not read logz?
1225073;1438746905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list.
1225074;1438746908;asciilifeform;just 'here's a patch, i'd better eat it'
1225075;1438746910;ben_vulpes;started at ml, canonical information repository.
1225076;1438746924;ben_vulpes;second patch contained a link to mp's "dis wat i do, yo"
1225077;1438746932;ben_vulpes;so ofc i /try/ first patch
1225078;1438746932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he does have a point. and normally i include some 'work of literature' with these
1225079;1438746935;asciilifeform;but world was on fire.
1225080;1438746964;mircea_popescu;you know world is on fire to that degree pretty much weekly.
1225081;1438746985;ben_vulpes;not even a note in correction about "lol sry first patch doesn't work"
1225082;1438746988;asciilifeform;eh no. my nodez ran from ignition until wedge day
1225083;1438746992;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> was hoping, glass cannon fired. << Might never fire
1225084;1438746994;mircea_popescu;so you're new.
1225085;1438747044;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if there is every any symptom of folks reading the ml but not #b-a, it might be worth considering to use the ml as something other than a file dumping ground for #b-a
1225086;1438747058;ben_vulpes;here's your indication!
1225087;1438747075;asciilifeform;at any rate, ben_vulpes is invited to fill in the gap and write literature for this piece
1225088;1438747081;asciilifeform;i gotta eat. brb
1225089;1438747125;ben_vulpes;not that i'm not infinitely indebted to you for unwedging my coracle but a hint of context'd be useful.
1225090;1438747134;mircea_popescu;the ml process needs some reviewing. it's sort of grown organically to a point where it's troublematic.
1225091;1438747149;ben_vulpes;say it again.
1225092;1438747160;mircea_popescu;for one thing, most everyone but us has a stable and a testing list.
1225093;1438747174;mircea_popescu;i can appreciate the heroism of "fuck you, it's all stable". but then that comes at a cost.
1225094;1438747183;mircea_popescu;the more common cop out is "fuck you, it's all testing".
1225095;1438747194;mircea_popescu;that stance may come with a cost to the ego.
1225096;1438747202;ben_vulpes;"all testing" which is what we've seen to date.
1225097;1438747344;mircea_popescu;of course the logical approach would be to promote to stable ml patches that were signed
1225098;1438747355;mircea_popescu;which is why the fuck we evern have the complexsignature scheme in place.
1225099;1438747372;mircea_popescu;plox tell me it's not one of those where everyone is waiting for me to do it first or something.
1225100;1438747387;ben_vulpes;i tried once
1225101;1438747390;ben_vulpes;fucked it up somehow
1225102;1438747423;mircea_popescu;how about submiutting a "This doesn't work - don't use it" thing on the broken one
1225103;1438747425;ben_vulpes;i'm all for barriers to entry here but this is a goddamn development obstacle course
1225104;1438747489;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: broken << sure, yeah.
1225105;1438747590;*;ben_vulpes is struck by the eerie resemblance to $dayjaeorb here
1225106;1438747595;ben_vulpes;"here have a pull request"
1225107;1438747597;ben_vulpes;"does it work?"
1225108;1438747603;ben_vulpes;"i don't know, let's test it during code review"
1225109;1438747623;ben_vulpes;grand exaggeration.
1225110;1438747627;ben_vulpes;nevertheless.
1225111;1438747634;decimation;I'm still confused about this map thing.  does anyone know exactly which map ascii is talking about?
1225112;1438747660;ben_vulpes;decimation: i'm still 1.5klol behind
1225113;1438747697;decimation;this is an infinite argument amoung developers: 'repo is for good code', 'no repo is for new code as it is being written'
1225114;1438747750;ben_vulpes;dvcs means we can all have a repo
1225115;1438747769;ben_vulpes;the fewer enforced constraints upon us, the more discipline with which we must act.
1225116;1438747805;BingoBoingo;Most intimidating part of current realbitcoin is where the fuck do I submit a diff from?
1225117;1438747847;ben_vulpes;last release, i'd prefer. asciilifeform tends to stack his patches atop one another.
1225118;1438747847;scoopbot_revived;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2015-statement/
1225119;1438747881;ben_vulpes;if you're up to date on the patching, submit a patch and note its antecedents.
1225120;1438747912;ben_vulpes;this makes for quite the testing nightmare. those interested in testing must reverse applied patches to your antecedent tip and then apply yours.
1225121;1438747934;ben_vulpes;from experience i know that the more difficult it is to test the software, the less likely anyone is to actually do so.
1225122;1438747958;ben_vulpes;but this is bitcoin, where since time immemorial people have been shipping code that can only ever be tested in production and then standing by in amazement claiming that "nobody could have predicted!"
1225123;1438747982;ben_vulpes;!s testing in production
1225124;1438747983;assbot;13 results for 'testing in production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=testing+in+production
1225125;1438747997;trinque;hey yo, I made a lot of noise about process early on
1225126;1438748002;trinque;then stepped back when shouted down
1225127;1438748021;trinque;the patch signing is great, but it's not a process by itself
1225128;1438748029;trinque;will either need tools built to support it, or will need to grab tools
1225129;1438748052;trinque;I had a hell of a time figuring out where I should be re: patches, at least before giving up and using rotor instead.
1225130;1438748055;ben_vulpes;i can just imagine the arguments
1225131;1438748068;ben_vulpes;"a real contributor would write all of their own tooling to solve this"
1225132;1438748076;ben_vulpes;"what's so hard about applying patches to your private repository?"
1225133;1438748085;ben_vulpes;"what, you want to automate this process that keeps the tards at bay?"
1225134;1438748089;trinque;the barrier can be "the devs are fucking vitriolic towards laziness"
1225135;1438748095;trinque;then you can you know, use a power drill
1225136;1438748102;trinque;and still work with non-dickheads
1225137;1438748103;ben_vulpes;"what, you want to automate the nuclear power plant?"
1225138;1438748110;trinque;hear fucking hear
1225139;1438748136;ben_vulpes;i'm just trying to operate within these crazy boundaries. i don't have any process improvements that i'm sure wouldn't get shot down in a new york second from asciilifeform.
1225140;1438748178;ben_vulpes;*i* have a repo. *it* has a *stable* and an *experimental* branch.
1225141;1438748189;trinque;I bet it's in git too, you filthy swine
1225142;1438748197;ben_vulpes;how much hell would i catch for sharing this with others?
1225143;1438748213;ben_vulpes;of course!
1225144;1438748230;trinque;look everything's bad. bad bad bad
1225145;1438748248;trinque;I watched a guy drink himself to death because you know, unix wasn't everything-is-a-table
1225146;1438748258;trinque;gonna rebuild everything on earth? or gonna start somewhere
1225147;1438748307;decimation;I thought ascii was okay with repos as long as it was clear which patches 'caused' the repo state
1225148;1438748328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59768 @ 0.00050358 = 30.098 BTC [-] {3} 
1225149;1438748341;ben_vulpes;all i ever heard was "git=invitation for tard collaborators"
1225150;1438748347;ben_vulpes;he can correct me if i'm wrong.
1225151;1438748348;decimation;plus, his original theory was that others should read and sign.  now this is good in theory, but in practice has no upside and all downside
1225152;1438748359;decimation;(for signers)
1225153;1438748365;trinque;you can do the same process better with a hierarchy of git repos
1225154;1438748367;trinque;ffs
1225155;1438748379;ben_vulpes;patches and signatures in the repository itself. i'd not be averse.
1225156;1438748384;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the patches 'stacked on one another' is an artifact of how diff works
1225157;1438748413;ben_vulpes;i know this.
1225158;1438748427;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ideas welcome !
1225159;1438748442;ben_vulpes;can we share a git repository yet?
1225160;1438748464;ben_vulpes;i'm not critiquing your patchstacking, note.
1225161;1438748543;ben_vulpes;i will be off to eat shortly.
1225162;1438748569;asciilifeform;btw the db patch is not marked with antecedents because it has none (since last release)
1225163;1438748582;asciilifeform;(iirc the 40000 was set prior to it)
1225164;1438748596;ben_vulpes;of course.
1225165;1438748613;*;ben_vulpes to food
1225166;1438748616;asciilifeform;and what's more, this is pretty clear from reading it.
1225167;1438748674;asciilifeform;but yes, my particular ml posts are geared toward helping the folks i know to be presently involved ( ben_vulpes, mod6, trinque, mircea_popescu, shinohai, punkman, hanbot, who else?) to build.
1225168;1438748687;asciilifeform;rather than for everyone on the planet.
1225169;1438748718;trinque;all I'm grumpy about is having something structured to put the patches in, really, with branching
1225170;1438748739;asciilifeform;trinque: please put, if it helps you
1225171;1438748748;trinque;the patches page helps a bit, but for example seeing easily from where various experimental patches derive
1225172;1438748759;asciilifeform;can even get your favourite version control gizmo to shit out patches
1225173;1438748762;asciilifeform;(iirc ben_vulpes does this)
1225174;1438748868;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu your www layout somehow cuts the lines on s.nsa statement
1225175;1438748869;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225176;1438748894;asciilifeform;^ anyone else sees this?
1225177;1438748901;asciilifeform;(graphical browser)
1225178;1438748999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114645 @ 0.00052851 = 60.591 BTC [+] {3} 
1225179;1438749019;mod6;it does the same for me on multiple browsers too
1225180;1438749028;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes i have nothing against 'git', 'mercurial', etc., and even sometimes use these in civilian life, there is even somewhere ~horror~ a 'github' page with my name and some old crud, yes. but the ~canonical walk from pedigreed 0.5.3 to therealbitcoin~ has to be in .patch form!
1225181;1438749029;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225182;1438749085;asciilifeform;it is the finger pushing in the plug into the hole the night leaks through.
1225183;1438749136;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah my browser eats too (firefox)
1225184;1438749368;decimation;asciilifeform: are the maps in question contained in your 'mempool zap patch'?
1225185;1438749403;asciilifeform;decimation: they are the two maps which hold mempool state
1225186;1438749408;asciilifeform;see the text of the patch.
1225187;1438749464;*;decimation was seeing
1225188;1438749489;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225151 << we're not signing because it has 'upside' now. but 1) because unsigned code is 'written by no one' and hence is a work of the great satan by default implication 2) for the archaeologists 3) for the revolutionary tribunals
1225189;1438749489;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:19:08; decimation: plus, his original theory was that others should read and sign.  now this is good in theory, but in practice has no upside and all downside
1225190;1438749555;decimation;my point is that it was made clear that anyone who signed something that fucked stuff up would suffer the negrating consequences
1225191;1438749582;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-07-2015#1200332
1225192;1438749582;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 03:22:40; asciilifeform: a mistake that is owned up to, before it sinks any ships - can perhaps be accepted as a mistake, and forgiven
1225193;1438749653;asciilifeform;i sign xxx. the readers are then free to rate me accordingly. this is how is works, by design.
1225194;1438749747;asciilifeform;also the continuity of identity. if, for example, my patches at some point go from tiny to elephantine, from single-purpose to 'omnibus', from deadly-simple to 'wtf is that' - folks are to presume that i have been finally killed and key is in hands of hitler. and should then rate accordingly.
1225195;1438749789;asciilifeform;this, incidentally, is an important reason why patches need to be deedboted
1225196;1438749796;asciilifeform;(can automate this?)
1225197;1438749833;asciilifeform;need hard ~dates~ as well as identity.
1225198;1438749872;asciilifeform;and yes, all of this looks like pointless sweat to the folks who struggle with builds, checking sigs, missed linefeedz, etc
1225199;1438749887;asciilifeform;guess what - war consists largely of precisely this kind of 'pointlessness'
1225200;1438749894;asciilifeform;'why do i have to move these sandbags?'
1225201;1438749918;asciilifeform;'why am i sleeping in a hole in the ground next to hole in the ground where i shat'
1225202;1438749933;asciilifeform;'why do i have to stand here and watch the hill'
1225203;1438749963;decimation;part of the problem with the mailing list I see is that it's difficult to reconstruct the context of patches
1225204;1438749964;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu will add to this illustration.
1225205;1438749982;asciilifeform;decimation: the context is typically filled in, in pedantic detail, here.
1225206;1438749984;decimation;you usually do a good job of this
1225207;1438750057;ben_vulpes;oh don't mind me, i'm just grumpy about a frictive process
1225208;1438750057;decimation;I can't think of an off-the-shelf tool that would do everything mentioned above though
1225209;1438750073;asciilifeform;the tool that man can trust to replace his brains is not yet born
1225210;1438750082;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu will likely run me through the "oh you're complaining here have some more of what irks you" chipper
1225211;1438750115;decimation;asciilifeform: yes but you could take that argument to 'can't use computer withou seeing registers'
1225212;1438750131;ben_vulpes;decimation: and he does, regularly
1225213;1438750136;decimation;it all depends on what is a reasonable risk to accept
1225214;1438750159;asciilifeform;once hygiene was invented - not using it was no longer 'reasonable'
1225215;1438750161;trinque;git's binary db format is certainly *not* capable of being the canonical representation of the project
1225216;1438750167;trinque;however, these are separate concerns
1225217;1438750184;trinque;the ML is imo for releases, which should consist of bundles of signed patches
1225218;1438750198;decimation;it would be nice to have a button to click: download the 'original tree' plus patches to get to this patch
1225219;1438750210;trinque;dev is its own concern which might have other processes; you could say that a particular feature branch eventually gets flattened down into a release patch
1225220;1438750211;decimation;for each patch
1225221;1438750218;asciilifeform;trinque: i happen to think that throwing patches to ml, where they are all visible in chronological order, is a step forward from them living on my www
1225222;1438750220;trinque;decimation: I was thinking this might be a web app
1225223;1438750221;asciilifeform;and linked here
1225224;1438750247;decimation;trinque: a web page with links to whatever deedbot spits would be sufficient
1225225;1438750249;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah, but the patches are a tree, not a timeline
1225226;1438750255;ben_vulpes;i am now imagining all sorts of dumb things like patches contributed in ml 'threads'
1225227;1438750258;decimation;plus automatics to package tarball and patches
1225228;1438750275;asciilifeform;you lot are reinventing 'version control' gadget
1225229;1438750279;ben_vulpes;heck, it'd be a huge improvement if /patches.html rendered in chronological order
1225230;1438750283;asciilifeform;^
1225231;1438750284;asciilifeform;agree
1225232;1438750291;asciilifeform;(why aren't they?)
1225233;1438750293;ben_vulpes;;;later tell jurov pretty please
1225234;1438750293;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225235;1438750301;ben_vulpes;dunno, have asked twice now
1225236;1438750308;decimation;yes, that's step one of 'we gotta invent version control too'
1225237;1438750321;*;ben_vulpes would learn fossil
1225238;1438750338;ben_vulpes;don't care, can operate anything made by humans
1225239;1438750354;asciilifeform;i said before, will say again: if the labour of crunching the patches looms large, it is only because folks are not undergoing the greater torment of reading them
1225240;1438750374;ben_vulpes;'tis not the patches but the whole workflow
1225241;1438750385;asciilifeform;what other than the patches ?
1225242;1438750387;ben_vulpes;a forest, not any particular tree
1225243;1438750403;decimation;asciilifeform: for one thing, you would need to see the patch in context
1225244;1438750417;decimation;which you can't get unless you have the whole repo stepped forward to the state of ap articular patch
1225245;1438750417;asciilifeform;the 'rotor' toolchain, for instance, tripped up some folks. but it needs to be built ~once per machine~
1225246;1438750426;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the antecedents thing for one
1225247;1438750436;decimation;thus, you need the whole repo state per patch
1225248;1438750441;decimation;I don't see any way around that
1225249;1438750446;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i carefully summarized the antecedents to 'stator' for hanbot (see log)
1225250;1438750449;decimation;yes, this is version control
1225251;1438750450;ben_vulpes;now is when i admit that i've yet to successfully compile bitcoin with rotor
1225252;1438750483;ben_vulpes;tendon-snipped by "use your noggin, eedjit" instructions
1225253;1438750500;ben_vulpes;tripped, fell, yelling in fury
1225254;1438750512;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: make use of the fact that i am yet alive! post errorz, logs
1225255;1438750513;ben_vulpes;trinque: was there, saw, comiserated
1225256;1438750530;ben_vulpes;no! for it is a merely a derpy directory structure issue that any sophomore can figure out
1225257;1438750531;ben_vulpes;CLEARLY
1225258;1438750532;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm tuned in for what, 12-14 h/day? write in
1225259;1438750610;trinque;rock climbing comes to mind
1225260;1438750624;trinque;sometimes you get a shitty handhold, but you don't immediately shout "fuck this!" and let go of the wall
1225261;1438750633;ben_vulpes;no, for another read through and another hack at "etc. as before" will resolve this.
1225262;1438750654;*;trinque the fatty who hasn't exercised in 6mos... talking about rock climbing...
1225263;1438750655;ben_vulpes;i'll save my "eedjit points" for when i actually cannot resolve things myself.
1225264;1438750695;ben_vulpes;in the meantime, know that these few hours per day *i* do have might be put to better use than derping of dirs.
1225265;1438750699;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: don't hesitate to publicly gripe if i omitted a step in cookbook, etc
1225266;1438750728;ben_vulpes;note that i haven't.
1225267;1438750794;decimation;asciilifeform: mapTransactions appears to be a std::map to me
1225268;1438750813;asciilifeform;hm
1225269;1438750820;asciilifeform;decimation is right
1225270;1438750825;decimation;maybe I can't distinguish between boost and stl
1225271;1438750848;decimation;one of the annoyances of c++ is that it is strongly typed and yet devilishly hard to tell *what* type
1225272;1438750850;asciilifeform;does have the behaviour described earlier, though
1225273;1438750855;asciilifeform;aha
1225274;1438750868;decimation;and there is no tool (as far as I know) that automates this task
1225275;1438750881;asciilifeform;not in the land of sunshine & kittenz, at any rate
1225276;1438750920;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: my patches are useless if folks can't build them and test
1225277;1438750941;decimation;folks can, I've done anyway
1225278;1438750951;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223731 << ahahahahahaha
1225279;1438750951;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 04:03:19; asciilifeform: also ok to use live lusers
1225280;1438750954;decimation;my stator with eatblocks is almost synced after a month of running
1225281;1438750974;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: if anyone wants to suggest how to make recipe more digestible, please write.
1225282;1438751057;trinque;my only problem with rotor was that berkdb is a piece of shit, ignored env vars that every ball o' source should care about without its own magical flag
1225283;1438751084;trinque;things like that though, that many pieces, sure it's going to snag on machines
1225284;1438751104;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220389 << how long? my maxint_locks build appears to be chewing on this one, but i cannot actually tell.
1225285;1438751104;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 04:37:34; BingoBoingo: was very slow to eat 51, but it did
1225286;1438751114;trinque;what's needed imo is something which displays the history of *decisions* made, secondarily patches
1225287;1438751127;ben_vulpes;aha trinque's decisionmachine emerges!
1225288;1438751130;trinque;wahaha
1225289;1438751147;trinque;that's what I as a newb trying to wade in wanted to know
1225290;1438751156;trinque;what's the social structure here, what decisions did it fart out?
1225291;1438751161;asciilifeform;what happened to n00bs reading logs for 6 mo ?
1225292;1438751162;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: instructions rot, are dependent on fallible humans. i write scripts.
1225293;1438751164;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it matters what kind of pointers that mapTransactions is accepting
1225294;1438751172;trinque;asciilifeform: I've read *far* more logs than that
1225295;1438751177;decimation;asciilifeform: one annoyance about the logs: missing entries
1225296;1438751180;asciilifeform;so trinque then knows the decisions
1225297;1438751196;asciilifeform;decimation: this is also why i keep boxes going 24/7, logging
1225298;1438751231;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: still need instructions, for when script explodes with no explanation
1225299;1438751246;asciilifeform;there is, sadly, no possible substitute for actually grasping the mechanism
1225300;1438751257;asciilifeform;if i knew of one - would say what it is, promise.
1225301;1438751292;ben_vulpes;mine explode at the line that fails instead of airily carrying on as though nothing happened.
1225302;1438751295;ben_vulpes;helps, somewhat.
1225303;1438751317;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes, and that ought to be in every release
1225304;1438751329;asciilifeform;(i somehow forgot this feature even existed in sh)
1225305;1438751376;decimation;the problem appears to be http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0505 that mapTransactions consists of pointers to CTransactions objects
1225306;1438751377;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1MN6xHr )
1225307;1438751390;decimation;calling clear() simply zeros the hashes but does not deallocate the objects
1225308;1438751395;asciilifeform;aha
1225309;1438751398;asciilifeform;i explained this earlier
1225310;1438751401;decimation;one would need to iterate through all of them and call delete
1225311;1438751408;asciilifeform;except have to iterate cleverly
1225312;1438751416;decimation;yes, it would be annoying
1225313;1438751417;asciilifeform;because deleting destroys iterator
1225314;1438751433;asciilifeform;(forgot this, and relearned the hard way, sat with gdb for a spell)
1225315;1438751500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131950 @ 0.00050986 = 67.276 BTC [-] {7} 
1225316;1438751505;*;asciilifeform bbl
1225317;1438751508;decimation;I wonder if wrapping in auto_ptr would help
1225318;1438751517;decimation;no, because it still doesn't leave scope
1225319;1438751848;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: yes, and that ought to be in every release << and this raises another question, shall mod6 and i now switch our build process to involve the rotor assemblage?
1225320;1438751872;ben_vulpes;shall we demand that of the pete_dushenskis and hanbots who wish to run their own hand-compiled foundation releases?
1225321;1438751894;ben_vulpes;i have no answers, only this hill to watch.
1225322;1438751901;*;ben_vulpes to have a brow soothed on a sweet busom
1225323;1438753391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72253 @ 0.00052755 = 38.1171 BTC [+]
1225324;1438754433;BingoBoingo;<trinque> I watched a guy drink himself to death because you know, unix wasn't everything-is-a-table << What. People don't die of drink anymoar because it feels good man?
1225325;1438754489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107475 @ 0.00053128 = 57.0993 BTC [+] {5} 
1225326;1438754525;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: the patches 'stacked on one another' is an artifact of how diff works << Ugliest artifact. MIN_RELAY_TXFEE and MINTXFEE live in main.h and init.h when patched. very volatile line numbers
1225327;1438754698;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> guess what - war consists largely of precisely this kind of 'pointlessness' << It always has, at least until armor became to weighty for civilized legionaries
1225328;1438755338;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i carefully summarized the antecedents to 'stator' for hanbot (see log) << stator, rotor work to build a bitcoind on the "mint" ubuntu-like. Don't remember installing more dev tools after g++ for stator
1225329;1438755388;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> ... << how long? my maxint_locks build appears to be chewing on this one, but i cannot actually tell. << I remember more than a minute, but only resorted to spring powered time after already waiting
1225330;1438755471;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what happened to n00bs reading logs for 6 mo ? << New challenges revert "seasoned" into n00b again
1225331;1438755501;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: instructions rot, are dependent on fallible humans. i write scripts. << And then shell changes
1225332;1438755565;BingoBoingo;<decimation> the problem appears to be http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0505 that mapTransactions consists of pointers to CTransactions objects << Far worse in PoundNation 0.9+ where classes
1225333;1438755567;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1MN6xHr )
1225334;1438755657;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> shall we demand that of the pete_dushenskis and hanbots who wish to run their own hand-compiled foundation releases? << Honestly prolly. A recipe that provides ABI compatibility with 2.6.x Linux kernel is prolly fine. People can adapt to other environments.
1225335;1438756347;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B << #ba-courts
1225336;1438756348;assbot;dpaste: 10RVK2B ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b0SL )
1225337;1438756348;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1225338;1438756359;BingoBoingo;trinque ^
1225339;1438756369;trinque;nothing's broken; there's other shit on the line
1225340;1438756381;trinque;also html url
1225341;1438756385;BingoBoingo;<BingoBoingo> deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B
1225342;1438756387;assbot;dpaste: 10RVK2B ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b0SL )
1225343;1438756402;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt
1225344;1438756403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b5FX )
1225345;1438756410;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt
1225346;1438756411;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b5FX )
1225347;1438756412;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1225348;1438756418;trinque;heh ding ding
1225349;1438756425;*;BingoBoingo may be rather intoxicated
1225350;1438756437;BingoBoingo;But, #b-a courts
1225351;1438756537;trinque;;;later tell felipelalli you've spoken about the idea of rating people not in the WoT; there's a great way ^
1225352;1438756537;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225353;1438756540;BingoBoingo;Got to get the condemnation in before feeding the lawyer fiat for next month's hearing
1225354;1438756541;trinque;BingoBoingo: cool
1225355;1438756708;BingoBoingo;Also if anyone with a bunch of power words (danielpbarron) can identify either on any relevant Bitcoin related WoT I would appreciate a heads up.
1225356;1438756849;BingoBoingo;My misdemeanor case is on a one way path now. It is going to hearing seeking dismissal. If not dismissed then to trial seeking not-guilty adjudication. Then to civil court seeking damages for seriously hindering my employability.
1225357;1438756895;BingoBoingo;I might not remember why in the morning I decided tonight would be the night to file this, but I left myself copious notes.
1225358;1438756977;*;BingoBoingo used to believe St Cliar County authorities might read this chan, now pretty sure they don't, but figure there is a lack of better public records so their doom if they don't read.
1225359;1438757147;*;BingoBoingo notes filings issued in venues other than a #b-a deedbot will from now and from twenty years in the past be treated as suggestions rather than orders.
1225360;1438757344;punkman;http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2015-statement/  << the broadcast overflows and gets clipped, have to view source
1225361;1438757345;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4fCuM )
1225362;1438757539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.000532 = 16.5984 BTC [+]
1225363;1438757693;BingoBoingo;;;kittenlasers
1225364;1438757694;gribble;Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
1225365;1438757814;BingoBoingo;Seems about as true as ever http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2014#726890
1225366;1438757814;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2014 14:11:51; moiety: are you near asciilifeform, punkman? he needs a kitten, he just hasn't fully realised it yet
1225367;1438758190;BingoBoingo;!up knotwork
1225368;1438758442;BingoBoingo;Parody, but should it be? http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/ativan-diffuser/
1225369;1438758444;assbot;FDA Finally Approves The Ativan Diffuser for all Hospital Units | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPGdtQ )
1225370;1438758511;BingoBoingo;I mean if http://epmonthly.com/article/you-re-suing-me-for-what/ isn't parody
1225371;1438758513;assbot;West Virginia Supreme Court Ruling Allows Physician Liability for Patient Addiction - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPGj4B )
1225372;1438758617;punkman;BingoBoingo, seems like a good way to stop docs prescribing
1225373;1438758617;BingoBoingo;!up diametric
1225374;1438758623;BingoBoingo;!up diana_coman
1225375;1438758637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142681 @ 0.00053065 = 75.7137 BTC [-] {2} 
1225376;1438758651;BingoBoingo;punkman: Well hopefully they stop prescribing for their old coots threatening their licenses first
1225377;1438758671;BingoBoingo;Only industry to win is Afghan
1225378;1438759014;*;BingoBoingo contemplates migrating to a completely suckless/cat-v desktop. Pros? Any cons?
1225379;1438759281;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe not entirely. I may keep cwm over dwm
1225380;1438759377;BingoBoingo;Also, how out of sync is the medical profession with the youth? http://epmonthly.com/article/palca-what/
1225381;1438759379;assbot;The Top Ways Palcohol Abuse Could Present to the Emergency Department - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1MasJfk )
1225382;1438759452;punkman;didn't USG ban that?
1225383;1438759487;punkman;guess not
1225384;1438759543;BingoBoingo;punkman: They tabled that motion so not banned.
1225385;1438759577;BingoBoingo;Also alcohol bound in carbohydrates? Prolly going to be a fat sack to the shit jsut to get buzzed.
1225386;1438759584;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
1225387;1438759591;HeySteve;hi there
1225388;1438759604;punkman;I remember some discussion about how much the thing would weight
1225389;1438759637;BingoBoingo;hi HeySteve
1225390;1438759672;BingoBoingo;punkman: Well consider a pint bottle of cheap vodka is 40% alcohol by volume, roughly the same by mass
1225391;1438759705;BingoBoingo;And now it gets topped off with sugars that will help it clear stage 2 metabolism faster
1225392;1438759735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93500 @ 0.000532 = 49.742 BTC [+]
1225393;1438759770;BingoBoingo;Still to get a slight buzz one is talking at least an once or more of raw ETOH plus binders.
1225394;1438759916;punkman;"Mark  searched for powdered alcohol and it wasn't available. Over a few  years, with the help of scientists around the world, Mark was able to  create powdered alcohol.  So he began his quest to create it. After  years of research, experimentation and consultation with scientists  around the world, he finally came up with powdered alcohol and called it  Palcohol."
1225395;1438759926;punkman;of course it's the first best palchohol
1225396;1438759928;BingoBoingo;For a 110 pound teenager to reach the poisoning level and hit the ER it would still take hald a poing of the stuff, plus binders.
1225397;1438759933;punkman;even though patent dates to 1974
1225398;1438759961;BingoBoingo;patents are probably all on the binders, probably all borrowed from Eli Lily
1225399;1438759966;BingoBoingo;Or leased
1225400;1438760323;*;BingoBoingo wonders if Byrne/Swanson et al ever wander here and see the hate I spew for far smaller problems and wonder... What if Bingo isn't just an MP sock puppet that emerges under the influence of coke?
1225401;1438760378;shinohai;You got to stop giving the butters content there BingoBoingo
1225402;1438760383;BingoBoingo;What if there really are a lot of #b-a people and they really are strong with hate
1225403;1438760444;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I might have the rare opportunity to interview for a fiat job. If I get it I want a part of this window to get cheap coins.
1225404;1438760496;shinohai;Ah good luck on the job.
1225405;1438760552;shinohai;I'd like to have easy to buy coins that don't require writing my autobiography to obtain.
1225406;1438760592;*;BingoBoingo would have to relocate bu plans to get the beapest place that only requires two months rent on top of deposit
1225407;1438760638;shinohai;What sort of job is it BingoBoingo, may i ask/
1225408;1438760675;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Customer service at a regional univeristy. Nothing glamorous, but given how long as it has been since I was last fiat employable.
1225409;1438760719;shinohai;Don't feel bad, I haven't worked at a fiat job in 6 years now.
1225410;1438760786;punkman;shinohai: retired?
1225411;1438760810;BingoBoingo;Shhh, i'm using that line.
1225412;1438760824;shinohai;Disability pension from an accident. Doc declared me unfit for duty so I'm not complaining.
1225413;1438760857;shinohai;In the real world I have to use Windows
1225414;1438760875;*;BingoBoingo entered into deedbot that condemnation for more than just "there exists" a misdemeanor charge
1225415;1438761005;shinohai;I need a good virtual job, that reddit shit that pays $5 in btc is pointless.
1225416;1438761106;BingoBoingo;I just hope one day to become.
1225417;1438761181;BingoBoingo;I've already had the FBI at my front door. I'd just like to become the sort of #b-a dragon who can embrace axe time
1225418;1438761234;shinohai;You had the FBI? You got more rep than me. I only had FCC come to make me take down my super yagi.
1225419;1438761294;shinohai;When you are unemployed and bored, naturally you want a wifi antenna capable of covering the whole neighborhood with internet.
1225420;1438761334;BingoBoingo;Well it was one FBI agent and one Treasury agent. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ I still have the Treasury agent's card. FBI fucker never offered his.
1225421;1438761336;assbot;A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2loNL )
1225422;1438761382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00052667 = 57.9337 BTC [-] {4} 
1225423;1438761506;BingoBoingo;It was hot, I didn't let them in so we had a pow wow on the front lawn until they quit.
1225424;1438761592;shinohai;> "the FBI agent name dropped Coindesk as a thing he reads...."
1225425;1438761602;shinohai;AT leas he admits he has a problem.
1225426;1438761609;BingoBoingo;But this is exactly how to handle an encounter of the Federal kind. You sweat them away and you disclose it happened.
1225427;1438761634;BingoBoingo;To be fair qntra didn't quite exist yet.
1225428;1438761672;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Jen-Selter-Instagram-5.jpg
1225429;1438761673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2mau4 )
1225430;1438761690;BingoBoingo;Rome didn't burn in a day
1225431;1438761836;shinohai;Musta been a slow crime month, they were looking to invent something.
1225432;1438761883;BingoBoingo;The exact service they asked me about was the late BTCPak operated by DBordello. All I knew was I used it and it worked.
1225433;1438761922;shinohai;I used to do the same thing with some guy from bitcointalk, moneypaktrader
1225434;1438762035;shinohai;I guess you are fortunate no electronic items were seized, etc.
1225435;1438762109;punkman;girl's sister was at her parent's house for a night. parents were on vacation, so neighbor hears noise and calls the cops. cops show up banging on the door at 3am, she opens door and there were 3-4 submachineguns pointed at her.
1225436;1438762130;punkman;I'd sue them
1225437;1438762190;shinohai;Unfortunately, policing doesn't seem to be a service you can unsubscribe from.
1225438;1438762207;shinohai;You just get hit with "early termination" fees. ;)
1225439;1438762338;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> I used to do the same thing with some guy from bitcointalk, moneypaktrader << iirc he made it rahter clear he was shady. BTcPak had a .com site and everything I needed to believe in it at the time.
1225440;1438762392;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> I guess you are fortunate no electronic items were seized, etc. << I'd already met alf here. For all they know everything has the thermite.
1225441;1438762403;shinohai;Yeah it appears he got sloppy or just didn't care. I bought btc from him several times despite the war between him and TradeFortress.
1225442;1438762436;BingoBoingo;TradeFortress appears in retrospect to have jsut been another parasitic chicom
1225443;1438762444;shinohai;^
1225444;1438762506;BingoBoingo;But MPT made it way to clear in his adverts that he did "dark web stuff" to address him as a person. That would be like buying a gram of blow from the white boy dressed as a pimp.
1225445;1438762507;shinohai;I never used inputs.io though. The whole thing of not owning your keys seemed silly to me.
1225446;1438762549;BingoBoingo;I spent time on his coinshat thing tying to tell n00bs to not be such n00bs. Fat lot of good it did.
1225447;1438762585;shinohai;A fool and his money .....
1225448;1438762670;BingoBoingo;Between pirateat40 and TradeFartress the latter probably ran the more dangerous long con, because people believed him. Not absolutely, but generally.
1225449;1438762849;shinohai;He definitely had a way with people. There are peeps to this day that still defend him and inputs.
1225450;1438762854;BingoBoingo;People really underestimate how long I can keep my hate fresh
1225451;1438762883;shinohai;Same. I hold grudges for way too long.
1225452;1438762895;BingoBoingo;I was trying to save precious n00bs on his site, and he fuck it. So I hate.
1225453;1438762949;shinohai;n00bs generally go for the shiny and loud
1225454;1438762980;shinohai;Things that require little effort, not realizing your security comes at a price.
1225455;1438763009;shinohai;But no: "The app developer *assures us it is safe, so it must be*"
1225456;1438763020;BingoBoingo;It was an inflection point. I mean back then Eulora was jsut a jizzlet in MP's balls
1225457;1438763025;BingoBoingo;!up afreakk
1225458;1438763037;BingoBoingo;1up afreakk_Z_Z_
1225459;1438763059;BingoBoingo;!up afreakk_Z_Z_
1225460;1438763184;shinohai;I had such enthusiasm for Eulora, I may take a fresh look at it when I have good drugs.
1225461;1438763197;BingoBoingo;It was around then though that I realized that no amount of 1 on 1 coaching directed at unknowns could have the same impact MP had when he declared Max Keiser was a doody head.
1225462;1438763223;BingoBoingo;I jsut need to find a way to build it without Nvidia cg toolkit.
1225463;1438763243;BingoBoingo;But first I gotta chop on my bitcoin first
1225464;1438763253;BingoBoingo;And fuck it
1225465;1438763256;BingoBoingo;Bed time
1225466;1438763273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 426459 @ 0.00053309 = 227.341 BTC [+] {8} 
1225467;1438763356;shinohai;gn m8
1225468;1438763883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9585 @ 0.0005338 = 5.1165 BTC [+] {2} 
1225469;1438765225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67950 @ 0.00052422 = 35.6207 BTC [-] {2} 
1225470;1438766739;punkman;youtube apparently doesn't like songs titled "Cunt Make It Up"
1225471;1438766840;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-gvxxhcS8s
1225472;1438766841;assbot;Tarantula Deadly Cargo - Sleaford Mods - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPK2ju )
1225473;1438767238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93750 @ 0.00052422 = 49.1456 BTC [-]
1225474;1438767610;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret  lol secret
1225475;1438767611;assbot;Athens 1944: Britain’s dirty secret | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1W17506 )
1225476;1438767909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130050 @ 0.0005355 = 69.6418 BTC [+] {6} 
1225477;1438770532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122250 @ 0.00053699 = 65.647 BTC [+] {4} 
1225478;1438771508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.0005288 = 46.9046 BTC [-]
1225479;1438771691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8888 @ 0.00053995 = 4.7991 BTC [+]
1225480;1438772362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80400 @ 0.00053211 = 42.7816 BTC [-] {4} 
1225481;1438773382;punkman;http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/04/news/companies/greek-bank-shares-crash/ heh
1225482;1438773383;assbot;Uber is worth five times Greece's banks - Aug. 4, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ825s )
1225483;1438774517;jurov;http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=1262 kek
1225484;1438774519;assbot;Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ9R24 )
1225485;1438775229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00051947 = 20.0515 BTC [-] {2} 
1225486;1438775351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109200 @ 0.00051943 = 56.7218 BTC [-] {3} 
1225487;1438775473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 336600 @ 0.00054208 = 182.4641 BTC [+] {5} 
1225488;1438775900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96550 @ 0.00054789 = 52.8988 BTC [+] {8} 
1225489;1438776876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120750 @ 0.00055026 = 66.4439 BTC [+]
1225490;1438776927;mircea_popescu;!up v_smith
1225491;1438776947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shouldn't, in browser that respect "font size=small".
1225492;1438776952;mircea_popescu;doesn't, in mine, in any case.
1225493;1438777303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00055026 = 12.1057 BTC [+]
1225494;1438778003;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225116 << i can see this as pretty legitimate.
1225495;1438778003;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:10:05; BingoBoingo: Most intimidating part of current realbitcoin is where the fuck do I submit a diff from?
1225496;1438778065;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225121 << in fact few are going to actually test anything even when it is easy to do so.
1225497;1438778065;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:12:14; ben_vulpes: from experience i know that the more difficult it is to test the software, the less likely anyone is to actually do so.
1225498;1438778079;mircea_popescu;in short we gotta restructure this pancake castle less it falls over.
1225499;1438778139;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225130 << instead of imagining the arguments you two'd better quote them. THAT much of a process we do have, and it's both explicitly stated and in daily implicit visible use.
1225500;1438778139;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:14:15; ben_vulpes: i can just imagine the arguments
1225501;1438778242;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225134 < this is uniquely impractical because a) an actually stared definition of laziness that fails to include most everyone otherwise occupied has yet to be seen and b) you'd better not dare create a system that insults the powerful.
1225502;1438778242;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:14:49; trinque: the barrier can be "the devs are fucking vitriolic towards laziness"
1225503;1438778255;mircea_popescu;shit on the powerless, that's what they're there fo.
1225504;1438778322;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225149 << iirc that was gitHUB
1225505;1438778322;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:19:01; ben_vulpes: all i ever heard was "git=invitation for tard collaborators"
1225506;1438778481;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225151 << this proposition is false. similarly, going to the market has "all downside and no upside" for goers : they know for a fact they'll spend money. and who knows if the stuff they get will be any good, won't spoil en route, won't get stolen before they get home or for that matter won't sprout heads and tentacles and eat them. so let's "safely" aka stupidly round th
1225507;1438778481;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:19:08; decimation: plus, his original theory was that others should read and sign.  now this is good in theory, but in practice has no upside and all downside
1225508;1438778481;mircea_popescu;e first to 1 and the 2nd to 0, and then go 1 = 0 har har.
1225509;1438778518;mircea_popescu;not how it works. it has A LOT of upside and virtually no downside. what ELSE are you going to do with that "money" if you don't go to the market ? and what ELSE are you going to do with that certain time and alleged expertise if not sign this stuff ?
1225510;1438778570;mircea_popescu;there is NOTHING else. anything where you spend your time for any other purpose is either a) masturbation, ie, the xtian "building castles on sand". whether you spend time with your kid or groom your beard or fuck the woman, it's all sensata. or else b) uranium mines.
1225511;1438778604;mircea_popescu;the only kingdom of heaven accessible to earthlinks is fucking reading and signing patches. don't want it, fine, but don't get fucking existential on me on your deathbed about how you wasted your life. yes, you have. shoulda not have.
1225512;1438779199;shinohai;;;ticker
1225513;1438779200;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.95, Best ask: 282.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 282.95, 24 hour volume: 8721.96406275, 24 hour low: 281.49, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None
1225514;1438779255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93999 @ 0.00051937 = 48.8203 BTC [-] {2} 
1225515;1438780353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73400 @ 0.00051937 = 38.1218 BTC [-]
1225516;1438781390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.00052279 = 36.1248 BTC [+] {3} 
1225517;1438781634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43811 @ 0.00051885 = 22.7313 BTC [-] {5} 
1225518;1438781761;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225197 << honestly thinking about it i dun see any way to avoid involving deeds in here.
1225519;1438781761;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:43:53; asciilifeform: need hard ~dates~ as well as identity.
1225520;1438781782;mircea_popescu;i suspect we might be belabouring under the burdens imposed by a design problem which ultimately stems from conceptual confusion.
1225521;1438781874;mircea_popescu;there are very specifically TWO things we want to do here, and they are not miscible.
1225522;1438781882;mircea_popescu;one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
1225523;1438781909;mircea_popescu;the other is MANAGE. specifically - hanbot must also be able to evaluate the theoretical advances in question.
1225524;1438781981;mircea_popescu;i am perfectly aware that a fine answer to both these is "just grow a beard", which is to say, "know", knight style, just "what is going on" so that you can reboot the machine into a working state. and "know", mp style, just whop the moles are.
1225525;1438782023;mircea_popescu;this is not practicable, if for no other reason then because the very earth will end up growing a beard and that'll be bad for the climate.
1225526;1438782217;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact, approaching the matter conversely, a straight github repository would be just fine from the M perspective if it were doubled by duly deedbotted hashes of the plaintext. and on the other hand, irrespectively how inscrutable -r content would be just fine from a U perspective, just as long as someone can somehow convert it into a plaintext they can sit down with, follow, and never be surprised.
1225527;1438782320;mircea_popescu;and returning to the issue, the good quality recipes are exactly equivalent to the "wot of patches" management technique : they allow people to ride on the shoulders of giants ~of their own choice~.
1225528;1438782363;mircea_popescu;this "choose your own giant" system is definitely powerful enough to take over the world, but we still gotta figure out a way to allow such seating.
1225529;1438782366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00052304 = 18.0972 BTC [+]
1225530;1438782395;mircea_popescu;and both sides gotta be done at the same time.
1225531;1438782421;mircea_popescu;this is ultimately why foss failed. yes, it did (sort of, but originally much better than currently) allow the U seating part.
1225532;1438782461;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, because it failed to even conceptualize the M part, let alone address it, it remained open to attack which the us first probed (with its corporate tentacles, ms etc) and then crushed, with its agency teeth.
1225533;1438782475;mircea_popescu;the reason this was possible is fortunately very easy to fix, once we understood what the hole was.
1225534;1438782509;mircea_popescu;but in any case, a purely M wot will eventually fail, no matter how effectual or powerful it is (and it is, ftr, factually) on the financial side
1225535;1438782521;mircea_popescu;which is why they're probing the U side atm.
1225536;1438782761;asciilifeform;wai wat
1225537;1438782770;mircea_popescu;from which leaf ?
1225538;1438782774;asciilifeform;last
1225539;1438782795;mircea_popescu;what do you think all this "software for the people" kick is ?
1225540;1438782802;mircea_popescu;actual, bona fide love of the multitudes ?
1225541;1438782808;asciilifeform;ah, that
1225542;1438782822;mircea_popescu;stalin despised the peasant, and the usg despises the scum we despise, equally if not moreso.
1225543;1438782877;mircea_popescu;but just as the saying goes, past performance is no guarantee of future success. that we readily crushed the "omai, bigger blocks" initiative, like all "initiatives" to date does not offer any guarantee we'll manage next time.
1225544;1438782895;mircea_popescu;the stator saving of the continuity feeling was too narrow for my liking.
1225545;1438782939;asciilifeform;what can i say, go get more of me somewhere
1225546;1438782953;mircea_popescu;mno. this is a tooling problem.
1225547;1438782973;mircea_popescu;when you have a phd assembly line, the problem is not "insufficient phds"
1225548;1438782991;asciilifeform;i just don't see it, really
1225549;1438782995;mircea_popescu;which part ?
1225550;1438783006;asciilifeform;plenty of folks who aren't the least 'phd' have built, and are running, the thing
1225551;1438783024;asciilifeform;with griping, sweating, q&a, yes - but running.
1225552;1438783037;mircea_popescu;how is this an argument and what does it argue for ?
1225553;1438783061;asciilifeform;that the existing process is precisely correct
1225554;1438783069;mircea_popescu;correctness is not in dispute.
1225555;1438783077;mircea_popescu;correct it clearly is.
1225556;1438783084;mircea_popescu;it's not effectual and won't scale is the dispute.
1225557;1438783099;asciilifeform;what precisely means 'scale' ?
1225558;1438783104;asciilifeform;in this context
1225559;1438783119;mircea_popescu;hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces <
1225560;1438783127;asciilifeform;iirc she did
1225561;1438783127;mircea_popescu;and  hanbot must also be able to evaluate the theoretical advances in question., inseparable.
1225562;1438783139;mircea_popescu;she eventually got a stator up ?
1225563;1438783161;mircea_popescu;where do i ping it
1225564;1438783171;*;asciilifeform searches log
1225565;1438783185;mircea_popescu;;;later tell hanbot so is the node up ? where ? is there a recipe-from-own-eyes somewhere ? where ?
1225566;1438783185;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225567;1438783186;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-07-2015#1219909 << apparently not
1225568;1438783186;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 21:50:52; hanbot: ascii_field hanbot, what are the remaining issues? << rotor.sh sez: http://thewhet.net/han/rotorfail.txt (no patches) meanwhile mod6 has made progress on RI on ubuntu so still working on "manual" stator build.
1225569;1438783204;mircea_popescu;"still working" is not "she did"
1225570;1438783224;mircea_popescu;in fact, "still working" a week later is its own precious sort of failure, srsly.
1225571;1438783229;mircea_popescu;there's no reason for this to take a week to do.
1225572;1438783233;asciilifeform;i did offer to help. what do i have to do, get on a plane with chalkboard in bag ?
1225573;1438783237;mircea_popescu;no.
1225574;1438783246;mircea_popescu;why do you think it's about you anyway ?
1225575;1438783260;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes sorta implied this
1225576;1438783266;mircea_popescu;what does he know.
1225577;1438783270;asciilifeform;but would like to think that it isn't, aha
1225578;1438783294;mircea_popescu;anyway. the idea here is specifically that we want you to be in a position where the plane and chalkboard perspective doesn't loom.
1225579;1438783298;asciilifeform;aha
1225580;1438783303;*;asciilifeform would like this very much
1225581;1438783308;mircea_popescu;right.
1225582;1438783321;chetty;go to meeting?
1225583;1438783326;asciilifeform;l0l
1225584;1438783350;asciilifeform;(in unrelated newz, dulap is getting blackholed again)
1225585;1438783352;mircea_popescu;so basically, help me out here. this should be a website which maintains a code tree and a signature tree ?
1225586;1438783365;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc ben_vulpes has one
1225587;1438783388;mircea_popescu;can we just design the thing, if for no other reason then for the exercise, and then see what already exists and if we like it ?
1225588;1438783424;asciilifeform;i never objected to folks using 'git', 'mercurial', etc. - only to the notion that anything that can't come out of a printer and then ocr'd back in could be the canonical representation of the path from pedigreed 0.5.3 to us
1225589;1438783454;mircea_popescu;ok, gefuxexperiment. suppose you get hit in the head, and go into a coma.
1225590;1438783464;mircea_popescu;suppose you come back in 2025. suppose we've been living and thriving though this time.
1225591;1438783475;mircea_popescu;you go to the ML, and lo, there's 1`677`321 messages in there.
1225592;1438783478;mircea_popescu;how do you proceed ?
1225593;1438783499;asciilifeform;i'd read them.
1225594;1438783510;mircea_popescu;suppose you can't read at the pace new ones get added.
1225595;1438783512;asciilifeform;sorta doing this with the linux kernel, actually
1225596;1438783518;mircea_popescu;there's 75`000 contributors in 2025 alone.
1225597;1438783522;asciilifeform;aaaaand this is when i decide that the thing has brain cancer.
1225598;1438783525;asciilifeform;like linux !
1225599;1438783525;mircea_popescu;why ?
1225600;1438783530;asciilifeform;it is ~The~ test.
1225601;1438783539;asciilifeform;software is not that intrinsically complicated.
1225602;1438783543;mircea_popescu;looky here : i am a magical witch doctor that can spot where cancer starts.
1225603;1438783547;mircea_popescu;care to hear where it started ?
1225604;1438783552;asciilifeform;nothing needs 1`677`321 changes to go to zero kelvin !!
1225605;1438783559;asciilifeform;aha?
1225606;1438783565;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> i never objected to folks using 'git', 'mercurial', etc. - only to the notion that <
1225607;1438783619;asciilifeform;and i say that no work of man needs 1`677`321 changes.
1225608;1438783629;asciilifeform;or 677`321 for that matter.
1225609;1438783629;mircea_popescu;depends how it's designed.
1225610;1438783648;asciilifeform;in fact 7`321 is pushing it
1225611;1438783654;mircea_popescu;reproduction is the work of man, and reproduction has TO DATE taken over 2 million strokes. today.
1225612;1438783656;mircea_popescu;will take more.
1225613;1438783665;asciilifeform;nah it's the work of 'aunt dumb'
1225614;1438783666;mircea_popescu;if you design your thing like reproduction works, do not be surprised.
1225615;1438783680;mircea_popescu;narciflattering but untrue.
1225616;1438783731;mircea_popescu;anyway, to get back to it : in ordere to ever reach 0 kelvin, you must use at least some elements that provably reduce temperature.
1225617;1438783800;asciilifeform;this'd be the snip-snips.
1225618;1438783817;mircea_popescu;ideally.
1225619;1438783826;mircea_popescu;they need to be supported, is what im telling you.
1225620;1438783847;mircea_popescu;atm we're veering dangerously close to the old -dev process, where they just shat magic stones.
1225621;1438783860;asciilifeform;so let's have idea ?
1225622;1438783866;mircea_popescu;let's have idea!
1225623;1438783878;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu presently have ?
1225624;1438783879;mircea_popescu;how would this b-a versioning system work ?
1225625;1438783882;mircea_popescu;i do not, no.
1225626;1438783902;mircea_popescu;i don't even fully understand wtf hole we're filing. tho i think i understand a lot better right now than 3 hours ago.
1225627;1438783920;asciilifeform;i will add that a while ago i pictured myself in the predicament of folks trying to assemble the thing. which is why i included an unofficial flattened source with 'stator'
1225628;1438783934;mircea_popescu;aha.
1225629;1438783950;mircea_popescu;no, if you look at the history with open eyes it's quite clear we had this problem on back for a while now.
1225630;1438783981;mircea_popescu;i swear this is a problem that's structural and should be solved, rather than just pushed against.
1225631;1438784028;jurov;structural? ohmy mircea's going to ban something :D
1225632;1438784040;mircea_popescu;lolwut
1225633;1438784046;asciilifeform;it is a problem. but i must point out that most of the troubles folks have spoken of so far do not stem from it. e.g., trinque et al with their misbehaving systems.
1225634;1438784055;jurov;but srs, i have asked for patches context, was sent to go scour the log for it
1225635;1438784074;punkman;context?
1225636;1438784079;asciilifeform;jurov: link?
1225637;1438784083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i bet you dollars to anything that the reason you don't get deluged in that is simply that moist folks are too interdicted by the task to even attempt, soi we don't hear about 99% of compat issues
1225638;1438784090;mircea_popescu;jurov so you have.
1225639;1438784094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entirely possible
1225640;1438784126;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html << example of one of my patches listing antecedents
1225641;1438784127;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke! ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWpv )
1225642;1438784133;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178271
1225643;1438784133;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 21:23:15; jurov: ok ascii_field not turd , but this leaves things to be desired, too: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
1225644;1438784137;mircea_popescu;and the last we heard of davout he was told exactly the same, and for all i know he's fallen in there never to be heard from again
1225645;1438784202;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1221213 << seems like he is there
1225646;1438784202;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 18:51:53; davout: second kid arrived, private pilot license in progress 70% pretty much sums it up :-)
1225647;1438784269;mircea_popescu;lemme state apropos of nothing that if you blame people for process not only are you an incredibly bad manager, but your organisation will fail, and in so doing give everyone a sigh of relief.
1225648;1438784363;asciilifeform;won't blame people, but will say that the state of the ecosystem (i.e. what folks are building on) is in such a sad state that the only plausible solution is os standardization
1225649;1438784376;mircea_popescu;question : what if we ran this to look more like a wiki than a mailing list ?
1225650;1438784378;asciilifeform;something i've been loathe to suggest because guess to whom the chore will fall
1225651;1438784385;mircea_popescu;ie, all things we do have a "current page"
1225652;1438784389;mircea_popescu;which lists everything
1225653;1438784391;asciilifeform;that'd be very spiffy
1225654;1438784395;mircea_popescu;changes, in the history tree - all signed.
1225655;1438784402;asciilifeform;esp. if it can be limited to the wot set
1225656;1438784407;mircea_popescu;can't see why not.
1225657;1438784423;mircea_popescu;and that page can get sub-pages
1225658;1438784431;asciilifeform;well, one reason why possibly not is that i suspect that the ml is as quiet as it is because signing things is arduous
1225659;1438784431;mircea_popescu;for testing, for corner cases, for whatever the shit.
1225660;1438784468;*;punkman just realizes he forgot to post working debug_sanity revision
1225661;1438784514;mircea_popescu;jurov what do you think about switching to mediawiki ?
1225662;1438784525;punkman;poor jurov :/
1225663;1438784531;mircea_popescu;not the doing. the notion.
1225664;1438784538;asciilifeform;wiki is a neat idea, but someone will have to invent signed-edits-wiki
1225665;1438784549;mircea_popescu;last i heard it was os php
1225666;1438784556;punkman;dokuwiki is a better candidate
1225667;1438784561;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1225668;1438784564;punkman;much smaller
1225669;1438784566;*;mircea_popescu knows nothing about these.
1225670;1438784588;punkman;kako uses it on bitcoin-assets wiki as well
1225671;1438784595;mircea_popescu;aha
1225672;1438784656;jurov;i use dokuwiki for some stuff, too. and it can be authed only once per seesion like assbot
1225673;1438784669;asciilifeform;auth is easy, but how about verify ?
1225674;1438784678;mircea_popescu;in practice, it'd prolly be more practical to transition deedbot and its site to this job i think
1225675;1438784680;mircea_popescu;than the ml
1225676;1438784681;asciilifeform;as in, can i download whole thing and attribute every delta to a wot person ?
1225677;1438784708;jurov;i see it as minor change. majur obstacle is how to sanely track stuff who released, who signed
1225678;1438784717;jurov;mere switch to wiki won't solve it
1225679;1438784729;mircea_popescu;jurov what if the only way to add an edit is "deedbot pastebin/soandso" ?
1225680;1438784737;punkman;with some metadata in diff files, we could have a script that creates a branched git repo entirely out of signed patch files
1225681;1438784742;mircea_popescu;^
1225682;1438784756;mircea_popescu;this is where im headed. have the syntax as a burden ON THE WRITER
1225683;1438784763;mircea_popescu;not on the fucken reader. prolly 2/3 of our problem as is
1225684;1438784775;mircea_popescu;so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
1225685;1438784807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i once thought about placing antecedent hashes in patch headers
1225686;1438784809;mircea_popescu;(reason is that stuff's written once, read many times)
1225687;1438784889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's what i want to accomplish, as a goal : i want to be able to put up a linux system, then go curl http://trilema.com/autobitcoin.sh | gpg -verify > autobitcoin.sh. and then run that autobitcoin.sh, which auto-follows the changes of people i have selected for this task, builds them and runs them
1225688;1438784890;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtYhd5 )
1225689;1438784911;mircea_popescu;and the only time i hear of any peep from the entire shebang is when one of them has gone over and i need to come in here and start with the !rate -10
1225690;1438785012;mircea_popescu;and i know this can be done because it's how fucking viruses work.
1225691;1438785022;asciilifeform;the only way to guarantee that the selected set of authors adds up to a single nonconflicting merge is to only build official releases (that is, tree signed by mod6 & ben_vulpes)
1225692;1438785034;mircea_popescu;sure.
1225693;1438785042;asciilifeform;again with the meat models. in point of fact most viruses ~don't work~
1225694;1438785048;mircea_popescu;gimme the mechanics, lemme worry about the people.
1225695;1438785054;mircea_popescu;of course in point of fact most viruses don't work.
1225696;1438785062;mircea_popescu;yet most people to date have been killed by viruses.
1225697;1438785065;mircea_popescu;gimme the mechanics!
1225698;1438785132;asciilifeform;as i understand, any mechanized thing really depends on patches stating their antecedents
1225699;1438785159;jurov;is adding "applies-to" a problem?
1225700;1438785188;asciilifeform;thinking of a modified unix-patch util that stuffs sha512 into comment preceding each file diff
1225701;1438785210;asciilifeform;from patches like these, one could conceivably auto-build a dependency graph
1225702;1438785215;mircea_popescu;jurov i dun see why it would be
1225703;1438785281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually a hashed diff / patch-util is a must irrerspective of anything else.
1225704;1438785287;asciilifeform;i'm about to post an example
1225705;1438785291;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how come it doesn't exist. must be a switch
1225706;1438785300;jurov;i get it
1225707;1438785408;jurov;though, with this in-band signalling we will limit ourselves to patch format
1225708;1438785439;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what ?
1225709;1438785441;jurov;there may be ned to publish other signed artifacts
1225710;1438785446;*;mircea_popescu likes, perhaps irrationally, the patch format
1225711;1438785457;jurov;like chicken.tar.gz was
1225712;1438785468;mircea_popescu;i didn't care for that.
1225713;1438785470;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/0MWBGJ1 << original
1225714;1438785471;assbot;dpaste: 0MWBGJ1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpniDc )
1225715;1438785476;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/04XFDSF << augmented
1225716;1438785478;assbot;dpaste: 04XFDSF ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipnja8 )
1225717;1438785486;mircea_popescu;in fact, if you ask diana_coman, she recently delivered a bot for eulora client, and i had her make me diffs.
1225718;1438785493;asciilifeform;jurov: 'chicken' was a dire, necessary evil
1225719;1438785500;mircea_popescu;i dunno how you folks understand code otherwise, might be that i'm rusty or inept, but anyway.
1225720;1438785503;asciilifeform;because the alternative was a multi-megabyte pile of minus signs
1225721;1438785516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even sure the pile was worse.
1225722;1438785536;jurov;diana_coman: you actually tried to apply the diffs?
1225723;1438785539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12165 @ 0.00052304 = 6.3628 BTC [+]
1225724;1438785543;mircea_popescu;~I~ applied the diffs.
1225725;1438785547;mircea_popescu;with her there holding my hand
1225726;1438785549;mircea_popescu;took an hour.
1225727;1438785568;mircea_popescu;and yes, i applied, by hand, compiled, etc.
1225728;1438785608;jurov;yes. far cry from just running some .sh
1225729;1438785621;diana_coman;yes jurov, I did verify it, applied it etc
1225730;1438785627;mircea_popescu;jurov sure.
1225731;1438785634;asciilifeform;see the dpastes
1225732;1438785646;asciilifeform;imho this would correct a fundamental flaw in the whole diff thing
1225733;1438785652;diana_coman;it took me half an hour only, but yeah, I did not have to re-read the code or anything
1225734;1438785661;asciilifeform;in that, having a bag of patches in hand, you could magically coalesce them into a dependency graph
1225735;1438785663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do they handle the "armored"/asciifucks issue ?
1225736;1438785688;jurov;by running gpg --decrypt on clearsigned text
1225737;1438785691;asciilifeform;afaik this was never an issue with patches (they were attached as binaries)
1225738;1438785693;jurov;no other way
1225739;1438785695;asciilifeform;and detach-signed
1225740;1438785701;asciilifeform;same as a tarball would be
1225741;1438785718;asciilifeform;it was an issue with message text on ml
1225742;1438785731;asciilifeform;hence the 'never, ever include a patch in message text' thing.
1225743;1438785739;mircea_popescu;kk
1225744;1438785791;jurov;i like it. to be able to remove files without dumping whole contents, patch should be patched, too
1225745;1438785800;asciilifeform;i will add, if it isn't obvious, that patches like the one i suggested will apply on a standard unix patch util
1225746;1438785800;mircea_popescu;^
1225747;1438785831;asciilifeform;jurov: it was not a thing before, because there was no way to guarantee that the contents are what the patch author thought they were
1225748;1438785834;asciilifeform;but now - can.
1225749;1438785844;asciilifeform;and thereby can safely snip a file after stating its checksum
1225750;1438785860;asciilifeform;but now both sides of the patch (author and applier) will need the custom util.
1225751;1438785866;mircea_popescu;this all makes me feel a lot better about my life expectancy.
1225752;1438785898;asciilifeform;now, the above is not a magic pill! somebody will still need to write the graph traverser
1225753;1438785906;mircea_popescu;yes.
1225754;1438785913;asciilifeform;but it is a necessary start.
1225755;1438785915;mircea_popescu;and the documentation.
1225756;1438785916;mircea_popescu;yes.
1225757;1438785946;mircea_popescu;also i'd like to keep this conversation open, for all the folks whose time is not day atm yet.
1225758;1438785966;asciilifeform;curious what ben_vulpes, for instance, might add
1225759;1438785999;asciilifeform;incidentally it is not necessary to alter the unix patch util. the checksums can be added by a proggy which eats standard patch file and the 'before' tree, and shits - this
1225760;1438786014;asciilifeform;prolly 3 lines of perl
1225761;1438786037;shinohai;My node isn't connected to anyone again today *sigh*
1225762;1438786042;mircea_popescu;!rate diana_coman 4 Work on Eulora client, various tidbits over the years. Freelance statistician/coder.
1225763;1438786042;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1c7400936902f591
1225764;1438786045;asciilifeform;shinohai: blackholed ?
1225765;1438786055;asciilifeform;i.e.,
1225766;1438786063;asciilifeform;accepted connection 104.236.95.174:49539
1225767;1438786063;asciilifeform;accepted connection 178.18.90.41:42497
1225768;1438786063;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
1225769;1438786063;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 62.210.127.113:34814
1225770;1438786073;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.diana_coman.4:f03c096e55ea00704ee7e685df39127f5c24a5bfc36808528b00217764e046d2
1225771;1438786074;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 2 to 4 with note: Work on Eulora client, various tidbits over the years. Freelance statistician/coder.
1225772;1438786108;asciilifeform;shinohai: this is a persistent problem, and i have every reason to expect that it will get worse.
1225773;1438786115;shinohai;T_T
1225774;1438786118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and mod6 and mebbe we have trinque do the graph
1225775;1438786156;shinohai;Also getting 11db cannot allocate memory errors
1225776;1438786156;mircea_popescu;shinohai please run this : cat debug.log | grep -c "no message in first 60" and report result
1225777;1438786178;*;asciilifeform marvelling that no one, apparently, ever noticed the glaring omission in 'patch'
1225778;1438786179;shinohai;kk 1 sec
1225779;1438786247;shinohai;returns 0 xD
1225780;1438786257;mircea_popescu;then it's not that. prolly gotta pursue the memory issue.
1225781;1438786341;shinohai;Watching tail though I see exactly what asciilifeform describes
1225782;1438786424;mircea_popescu;... what gives ?
1225783;1438786490;shinohai;Where it attempts to connect but disconnects (no message in first 60 sec)
1225784;1438786506;mircea_popescu;then why is grep returning 0. one or the other neh ?
1225785;1438786609;shinohai;Could be I just started this one, the one I am already running returns 28670932
1225786;1438786625;mircea_popescu;o.O
1225787;1438786630;mircea_popescu;advertised ip ?
1225788;1438786657;shinohai;The one I just started has advertised ip
1225789;1438786664;mircea_popescu;but the other one no ?
1225790;1438786672;mircea_popescu;well... the network is pretty noisy.
1225791;1438786672;shinohai;nope
1225792;1438786751;shinohai;I can see 8333 from ny1.hashbang.sh tho
1225793;1438786829;*;asciilifeform bbl
1225794;1438786881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70143 @ 0.00054298 = 38.0862 BTC [+] {4} 
1225795;1438786907;trinque;mircea_popescu | asciilifeform and mod6 and mebbe we have trinque do the graph << I'm in; seems like yet another static site generator job
1225796;1438786940;mircea_popescu;mostly, yes.
1225797;1438786953;trinque;and I can modify deedbot- however it helps; he already statically generates his site, perhaps he could interpret metadata in certain deeds and take action
1225798;1438786996;mircea_popescu;the biggest headache to date for jurov/users of ml seems to have been the mailing itself. i wonder how much sense simply deedbotting messages would make.
1225799;1438787014;mircea_popescu;this readily enforces the two restraings we want enforced, which is : a) wot restricted and b) signed permanently.
1225800;1438787020;shinohai;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: this is what I get http://dpaste.com/1889469
1225801;1438787021;assbot;dpaste: 1889469 ... ( http://bit.ly/1gKcYyN )
1225802;1438787046;mircea_popescu;shinohai this is "normal"
1225803;1438787052;mircea_popescu;in the sense of retarded but commonly seen
1225804;1438787067;jurov;mircea_popescu: deedbot has currently even less friendly archives than mailman
1225805;1438787071;shinohai;But not connecting to anyone at all isn't
1225806;1438787080;mircea_popescu;hm.
1225807;1438787103;mircea_popescu;jurov i wasn't proposing they be used as is.
1225808;1438787175;jurov;email was chosed because it allows for structured text + attachments. not sure how to do it with deedbot
1225809;1438787176;trinque;to date I've tried to keep it simple, hence the deeds are plain textfiles linked to by a single index
1225810;1438787187;trinque;no reason I can't add some html nav around that a la dpaste
1225811;1438787214;mircea_popescu;bears more thinking
1225812;1438787271;jurov;yes the signed email + extra signed attachs is a kludge
1225813;1438787400;jurov;there must be better system to put together few files + text that already has crypto or can be extended easily
1225814;1438787491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49485 @ 0.00053671 = 26.5591 BTC [-]
1225815;1438787529;trinque;the way git handles this is that "everything's a Blob" then "some Blobs are a Tree which points to n Blobs which may be Trees or Blobs"
1225816;1438787563;trinque;you could implement the data structures needed for VCS atop deedbot in a similar manner
1225817;1438787581;trinque;one thing that would be needed on my end is a saner URL for a given deed; it needs to just be the hash
1225818;1438787588;trinque;easily done
1225819;1438787636;jurov;how would it look for user? got a .txt, a .patch , now what?
1225820;1438787760;trinque;so, git does it this way: there are Blobs, which are a k/v pair of which the k is the hash of the v; blobs can be one of: Reference, Commit, Tree, Blob
1225821;1438787769;jurov;(currently on has to clearsign the .txt, make detached armored sig for .patch and use non-braindamaged email client to put them together)
1225822;1438787794;jurov;i am not a git
1225823;1438787797;jurov;:D
1225824;1438787798;trinque;I probably missed one, and they also divide into further classifications, ref for example can be a tag, branch, stash
1225825;1438787814;trinque;hehe
1225826;1438787832;mircea_popescu;jurov word. there must be.
1225827;1438787918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125000 @ 0.00053491 = 66.8638 BTC [-] {3} 
1225828;1438787920;trinque;so if you say did the structured data in the "blobs" as sexps you could sign that text easily
1225829;1438787980;trinque;and then maybe deedbot farts out additional nav controls on the html versions of these interesting deeds with a particular sexp in them
1225830;1438787990;trinque;anyhow one thought.
1225831;1438788031;punkman;drowning in rube goldberg?
1225832;1438788202;trinque;implementing a VCS isn't rocket science; it's just a matter of getting the abstractions right
1225833;1438788299;punkman;I don't want another VCS system. I just need a way to import patches in my existing VCS.
1225834;1438788369;trinque;sure, and that's another thought
1225835;1438788396;trinque;wrap git or mercurial or something in hooks which enforce the constraints desired
1225836;1438788465;trinque;the requirement that signed and deeded patches be the primary representation of a contribution great appeal though, for obvious reasons
1225837;1438788558;*;Adlai mumbles something about darcs
1225838;1438788586;trinque;Adlai: it does that?
1225839;1438788590;trinque;I mean they all can, but well?
1225840;1438788638;Adlai;ootb, signed patches. deeding signed patches from darcs is less work than doing so from git etc
1225841;1438788741;trinque;sounds worth investigating
1225842;1438788806;*;trinque wanders off for coffee
1225843;1438789361;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-05/china-to-set-up-security-offices-inside-internet-companies
1225844;1438789362;assbot;China to Set Up ‘Security Offices’ Inside Internet Companies - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpuQpx )
1225845;1438790014;punkman;I imagine they already have people in those companies, why make it official?
1225846;1438791212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47950 @ 0.00054691 = 26.2243 BTC [+]
1225847;1438791883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00054189 = 23.518 BTC [-]
1225848;1438792156;ben_vulpes;<Adlai> ootb, signed patches. deeding signed patches from darcs is less work than doing so from git etc << how so? i've never touched darcs, the question comes from ignorance.
1225849;1438792187;Adlai;git signs blobs, darcs signs patches
1225850;1438792200;ben_vulpes;git produces patches tho--
1225851;1438792200;ben_vulpes;oh
1225852;1438792215;ben_vulpes;interdasting
1225853;1438792230;*;ben_vulpes is not terrifically familiar with the git gpg integration
1225854;1438792257;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1225499 << i know, apologies all around
1225855;1438792257;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 12:35:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225130 << instead of imagining the arguments you two'd better quote them. THAT much of a process we do have, and it's both explicitly stated and in daily implicit visible use.
1225856;1438792371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109700 @ 0.00052804 = 57.926 BTC [-] {5} 
1225857;1438792696;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: my coracle's been wedged at 367850 since last night, even with the new db locks config. last 500 lines of debug.log: http://dpaste.com/1XB21DH.txt , please let me know if more would be useful
1225858;1438792697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuoN65 )
1225859;1438794875;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1225860;1438794890;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225805 << this is what i refer to as 'blackholed'
1225861;1438794890;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 15:04:31; shinohai: But not connecting to anyone at all isn't
1225862;1438794951;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225798 << how do i embed ~unmutilatable~ binaries in deedbot? uuencode ?!!!
1225863;1438794951;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 15:03:16; mircea_popescu: the biggest headache to date for jurov/users of ml seems to have been the mailing itself. i wonder how much sense simply deedbotting messages would make.
1225864;1438794972;ascii_field;if someone was wondering how the system could ever be made ~less~ n00b-friendly - this'd be it..
1225865;1438795037;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225833 << can do this now!
1225866;1438795037;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 15:24:59; punkman: I don't want another VCS system. I just need a way to import patches in my existing VCS.
1225867;1438795041;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski You should see it when the DDoS abates
1225868;1438795041;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225869;1438795059;punkman;ascii_field, I'm doing it
1225870;1438795125;punkman;but I'm guessing as to patch order, branches, etc
1225871;1438795516;ben_vulpes;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-03/for-his-next-trick-barefoot-genius-aims-to-end-broker-rip-offs
1225872;1438795519;assbot;For His Next Trick, Barefoot Genius Aims to End Broker Rip-Offs - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQRv1Q )
1225873;1438795677;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: the debug.log fragment you pasted does not reveal the cause of your jam
1225874;1438795703;ben_vulpes;i was hoping you'd contradict my own conclusions, but alas.
1225875;1438795729;danielpbarron;500 lines isn't enough
1225876;1438795821;ben_vulpes;let me restart the thing and grab the whole bootup log for inspection
1225877;1438795946;BingoBoingo;https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/009920.html << lol
1225878;1438795947;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] "A Transaction Fee Market Exists Without a BlockSize Limit"--new research paper suggests ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQSsXP )
1225879;1438796005;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, I don't recognize those names you mentioned earlier
1225880;1438796023;BingoBoingo;It's for the best
1225881;1438796049;BingoBoingo;non-people
1225882;1438796057;ascii_field;philippinos, snore.
1225883;1438796178;punkman;a question that future patch submitters might have: should I patch against last release or most active branch?
1225884;1438796268;ascii_field;punkman: depends on who you think is 'longest chain'
1225885;1438796287;ascii_field;if wrong about this, will have to merge by hand, and there is no going around this
1225886;1438796317;jurov;if a big problem, you can always rebase and rerelease
1225887;1438796375;ben_vulpes;what was the rollover patch called?
1225888;1438796499;punkman;rollover?
1225889;1438796554;punkman;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000144.html this won't truncate your debug.log unless you tell it to
1225890;1438796554;assbot;[BTC-dev] fixed debug_sanity ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQU7N8 )
1225891;1438796731;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform http://cascadianhacker.com/wedged.log
1225892;1438796734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQUQ0S )
1225893;1438796774;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1225894;1438796781;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: .txt plz
1225895;1438796791;ascii_field;(or www browser barfs)
1225896;1438796973;ben_vulpes;haw
1225897;1438797007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94900 @ 0.00054409 = 51.6341 BTC [+] {3} 
1225898;1438797015;ben_vulpes;Bitcoin version 0.5.4-beta
1225899;1438797015;ben_vulpes;Default data directory /home/ec2-user/.bitcoin
1225900;1438797015;ben_vulpes;Loading addresses...
1225901;1438797015;ben_vulpes;dbenv.open strLogDir=/home/ec2-user/.bitcoin/database strErrorFile=/home/ec2-user/.bitcoin/db.log
1225902;1438797018;ben_vulpes;Loaded 39823 addresses
1225903;1438797021;ben_vulpes; addresses             26456ms
1225904;1438797024;ben_vulpes;Loading block index...
1225905;1438797027;ben_vulpes;LoadBlockIndex(): hashBestChain=00000000000000000dfc  height=367850
1225906;1438797030;ben_vulpes; block index           63562ms
1225907;1438797033;ben_vulpes;Loading wallet...
1225908;1438797036;ben_vulpes;nFileVersion = 50400
1225909;1438797039;ben_vulpes;fGenerateBitcoins = 0
1225910;1438797042;ben_vulpes;nTransactionFee = 0
1225911;1438797045;ben_vulpes;fMinimizeToTray = 0
1225912;1438797046;punkman;why do you have 40k addresses?
1225913;1438797048;ben_vulpes;fMinimizeOnClose = 0
1225914;1438797051;ben_vulpes;fUseProxy = 0
1225915;1438797054;ben_vulpes;addrProxy = 127.0.0.1:9050
1225916;1438797115;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225757 << i like the deedbot idea; that is submit patches as deeds. The mailing list has stuff i need to decrypt/verify anyway, and I'm not a big fan of email in general
1225917;1438797115;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:45:46; mircea_popescu: also i'd like to keep this conversation open, for all the folks whose time is not day atm yet.
1225918;1438797182;ben_vulpes;meep. sorry.
1225919;1438797184;danielpbarron;I also like the idea of a webpage (maybe a wiki) that organizes it all, linking to the deeded content of course
1225920;1438797219;ben_vulpes;punkman: hell if i know
1225921;1438797248;punkman;a standalone Ada wallet would be an interesting project
1225922;1438797298;ascii_field;punkman: perhaps if you ask mircea_popescu nicely, he'll give you a copy
1225923;1438797302;punkman;I grabbed a random Ada book last week, it was awful. need to look again
1225924;1438797614;gernika;punkman - I have the Ada 95 reference manual.  Seems thorough.  Also you can print out a copy of the GNAT User's Guide at Kinkos - which I've also done.   Haven't actually made any progress in reading it but... Seems good by looking at TOC.
1225925;1438797621;mod6;;;later tell hanbot ping me when you get a chance plz. thx!
1225926;1438797622;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1225927;1438797800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.00054662 = 36.5689 BTC [+]
1225928;1438797827;punkman;gernika, my beard being short, I'm looking for something closer to "Ada for dummies"
1225929;1438797911;punkman;I'm also tempted to go with Ada 2005 so I can have all teh unicodez
1225930;1438797949;ascii_field;'Ada for software engineers', M. Ben-Ari.
1225931;1438797960;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: has warez?
1225932;1438797965;ascii_field;'Data structures with Ada.',  Michael B. Feldman.
1225933;1438797989;ascii_field;'Ada for programmers.', Eric W. Olsen.
1225934;1438798063;ascii_field;'Ada 95: The Lovelace Tutorial.' David A. Wheeler << probably the most n00bish
1225935;1438798082;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: nope, i haven't digitized copies of these. but doesn't hurt to look around
1225936;1438798103;ascii_field;anyone seriously into the subject will also want the 'standard' and 'rationale' documents.
1225937;1438798117;punkman;http://kto.web.elte.hu/oktatas/ada/books/ase.pdf 'Ada for software engineers'
1225938;1438798119;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQYHuR )
1225939;1438798181;ascii_field;neato
1225940;1438798192;ascii_field;actually, the best book i have so far is in ru
1225941;1438798212;ascii_field;written by, of all people, fella claiming to be former lead programmer of ukraine central bank...
1225942;1438798638;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1225943;1438798939;punkman;"Like any contract, the Ada Referebce Manual is written in very precise language, and the term ‘language lawyer’ is often used for people who are experts at interpreting the document."
1225944;1438798954;ascii_field;it has chapter, verse, line numbers
1225945;1438798959;ascii_field;like talmud.
1225946;1438799081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41613 @ 0.00053474 = 22.2521 BTC [-]
1225947;1438800545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83950 @ 0.00054068 = 45.3901 BTC [+]
1225948;1438800800;mod6;so I've looked at deedbot.org
1225949;1438800810;mod6;and I like the site, and the bitchin motif
1225950;1438800829;mod6;i also like how it lines up the signatures to a specific hash horizontally
1225951;1438800830;shinohai;deedbot.org rules
1225952;1438800834;mod6;however
1225953;1438800865;mod6;if our idea is to clearsign patches and then submit them to deedbot, i urge you all to review this email and consider why that doesn't work:
1225954;1438800885;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html
1225955;1438800886;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1eTvVxp )
1225956;1438800916;mod6;now, it might be that I'm not exactly understanding what the proceedure for submitting to deed bot would be.  but if clearsigned .patch files, that can not work.
1225957;1438800930;trinque;mod6: heh I did the site with a nod to the foundation's
1225958;1438800932;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1225959;1438800942;trinque;mod6: as for how deedbot- might be used, not clearly defined yet
1225960;1438800943;mod6;trinque: i think it's awesome :]
1225961;1438800945;ascii_field;clearsigning MUTILATES
1225962;1438800947;trinque;just one spitball of many
1225963;1438800949;mod6;^
1225964;1438800954;mod6;ascii_field has it
1225965;1438800956;trinque;does it have to be clear?
1225966;1438800961;ascii_field;for deedbot!
1225967;1438800966;trinque;I could change the thing
1225968;1438800987;mod6;will deedbot take 2 parameters, a non-signed .patch file and a detached signature and somehow colese them?
1225969;1438801001;ascii_field;who thought this was a good idea, and why
1225970;1438801002;trinque;thought gpg could wad a sig and a file together in other ways than clearsign
1225971;1438801011;ascii_field;even worse, imho, in every respect, than ml
1225972;1438801021;punkman;you can also --armor --sign instead of clearsign
1225973;1438801023;mod6;ascii_field: im simply referring to the converstaion from this morning
1225974;1438801024;ascii_field;deedbot as adjunct to ml - works
1225975;1438801026;trinque;I gotta depart to a meeting, but to summarize I have no strong opinion that deedbot is the solution
1225976;1438801027;ascii_field;but as replacement?!
1225977;1438801044;trinque;was merely saying I am willing to put in the work *should* deedbot- be some part of it
1225978;1438801088;ben_vulpes;we're just exploring the possibility space here
1225979;1438801092;ben_vulpes;!up n6
1225980;1438801094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108450 @ 0.00053321 = 57.8266 BTC [-] {3} 
1225981;1438801098;danielpbarron;can't you unmutilate by using gpg --decrypt ?
1225982;1438801107;mod6;i've been thinking alot about the ML issues that have been brought up lately.  and lastnight I bascially came up with: Mailing list A: for all submissions testing or experimental or otherwise..  Mailing list B: for accepted, signed and released patches, in order.  And jurov's /patch.html (or w/e its called) should draw from there.
1225983;1438801115;trinque;danielpbarron: punkman has it; --armor --sign
1225984;1438801117;mod6;danielpbarron: we're not talking about encryed docs
1225985;1438801118;trinque;and then yeah decrypt on the other end
1225986;1438801131;trinque;danielpbarron: yeah but you can do a sig in similar fashion
1225987;1438801137;trinque;where it's a wad o... what, base64?
1225988;1438801140;trinque;I don't remember
1225989;1438801148;trinque;er last was for mod6
1225990;1438801152;*;trinque departs!
1225991;1438801154;n6;thanks ben_vulpes, can anyone help me make a call file for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 ? never made one and keep coming up with errors.
1225992;1438801154;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
1225993;1438801179;punkman;yeah it's a base64 blob that includes file and signature when you --sign --armor
1225994;1438801185;danielpbarron;what about this: gzip the patch and clearsign that
1225995;1438801201;*;jurov gasps
1225996;1438801218;mod6;see, we could uu encode stuff or gzip stuff or do any number of things, but then it's far less readable "as-is"
1225997;1438801218;ben_vulpes;n6: all of my noodling on the topic resides at http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/
1225998;1438801220;assbot;Index of /bitcoin/callgraph/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXRYVd )
1225999;1438801228;mod6;and i thought that was kinda one of the requirements.
1226000;1438801232;mod6;"easy to read"
1226001;1438801237;ben_vulpes;mod6: not that my browser will do anything with the patch files but download them.
1226002;1438801289;mod6;that's fine, but what if I just wanna look through the submitted patches in deedbot? i now have to do a bunch of extra gyrations to even see the text
1226003;1438801312;ben_vulpes;there's always /patches.html...
1226004;1438801361;punkman;I just mentioned it as an easy way to make deeds out of patches
1226005;1438801365;danielpbarron;deedbot isn't where you go to read it all; it's where you go to verify it all
1226006;1438801375;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> there's always /patches.html... << sure if it's readable.
1226007;1438801394;mod6;what about for unsigned new submissions?
1226008;1438801394;punkman;(or deeds out of binaries)
1226009;1438801403;mod6;and there are 75`000 people and 50 submissions per day?
1226010;1438801419;mod6;could be scripted i suppose... but just sayin
1226011;1438801420;punkman;wat
1226012;1438801430;mod6;punkman: taking it back to the earlier premise.
1226013;1438801451;mod6;are you guys following what I'm saying?
1226014;1438801521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53705 @ 0.00054068 = 29.0372 BTC [+]
1226015;1438801670;mod6;maybe not. lol.
1226016;1438801681;n6;ben_vulpes: still having an issue getting "bitcoin/src/serialize.h:963:10: error: class member cannot be redeclared" even with your callgraph.sh, what am I missing?
1226017;1438801696;punkman;mod6, "unsigned new submissions" < wat
1226018;1438801710;ben_vulpes;n6 i have no idea, buddy
1226019;1438801726;ben_vulpes;n6: are you running on os x?
1226020;1438801732;n6;yes.
1226021;1438801742;ben_vulpes;ah well
1226022;1438801747;ben_vulpes;you're on your own brave soul
1226023;1438801756;mod6;punkman: <+mod6> <+ben_vulpes> there's always /patches.html... << sure if it's readable. <+mod6> what about for unsigned new submissions?
1226024;1438801766;mod6;how does anything get into /patch.html ?
1226025;1438801769;ben_vulpes;i recommend spinning up an aws gentoo instance. i've given up on macos support for this project.
1226026;1438801771;mod6;it first must be signed.
1226027;1438801792;n6;I will try that, thanks.
1226028;1438801801;ben_vulpes;n6: i understand that this is not a welcome message.
1226029;1438801807;mod6;and /patch.html imho should not draw off of just any submission, only signed submissions from ben, myself and the author.
1226030;1438801821;mod6;it still doesn't help me view a base64 encoded submission to the deedbot
1226031;1438801824;ben_vulpes;n6: d'you plan to get into the wot as well?
1226032;1438801836;n6;ben_vulpes: what more welcoming then support for free?
1226033;1438801841;n6;I'm already in the wot just have to auth.
1226034;1438801848;ben_vulpes;!gettrust n6
1226035;1438801849;assbot;Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=ben_vulpes&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/
1226036;1438801865;mod6;anyway, the main point i wanted to bring up re: clearsigned patches into deedbot was this email: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html
1226037;1438801866;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1eTvVxp )
1226038;1438801897;mod6;as you can see clearsign mangles the text: - --- a/rotor.sh  ....   - -../dist/configure
1226039;1438801912;mod6;gnupg tries to escape lines that begin with a dash
1226040;1438801921;jurov;mod6 just do gpg --decrypt and it undoes it
1226041;1438801923;mod6;s/tries to//
1226042;1438801924;ben_vulpes;!rate n6 1 crusty blood
1226043;1438801924;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/596b688700f85b60
1226044;1438801949;mod6;jurov: to me thats an extra step... is that what we're all prepared to live with?
1226045;1438801957;n6;thanks, I'm going to try and get this to work and come back
1226046;1438801975;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.n6.1:e630ded4962e532d208a74d782ea9c37451b0858c31fb4280fd9f2c7ddce525e
1226047;1438801975;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for n6 with note: crusty blood
1226048;1438801997;jurov;mod6 please look at bigget picture, nto jsut to this one step
1226049;1438802025;mod6;i'd like to make something better, this is for sure.  just whatever it is, i wanna know that it is better, not just sideways.
1226050;1438802027;punkman;30 pages in, "Ada for Software Engineers", the code examples look gnarly
1226051;1438802038;jurov;turdatron needs to take bundles of patch + manifest (at least, can be any other  files aside from patches)
1226052;1438802053;jurov;and metadata what the patch applies on
1226053;1438802068;jurov;question is, how to do this all better?
1226054;1438802096;mod6;good question.  not sure that i have any useful answers here at this time.
1226055;1438802108;mod6;other than what I already talked about and that's not really better either.
1226056;1438802158;mod6;i guess im just trying to picture in my mind how i would have to use, step by step, the proposed system every single day.
1226057;1438802186;mod6;and if those proposed steps are easier/better than what we currently hvae.
1226058;1438802194;jurov;maybe we end up all using a script to put the package together and sign it.. but in this case it can just output an email message to be just fed to sendmail
1226059;1438802244;jurov;or if someone come up with less turdy format than MIME
1226060;1438802262;punkman;I wouldn't mind something like http://gogs.io/ but too much css I guess
1226061;1438802264;assbot;Gogs: Go Git Service - A painless self-hosted Git service ... ( http://bit.ly/1eTzyTP )
1226062;1438802429;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 please look at bigget picture, nto jsut to this one step << i think partly ... my general concern is my understanding of how this proposed system would work.  this concern is based on the fact that when the current system was proposed, i had the oppertunity to speak out and put in my say in the matter, but I didn't understand it so I don't think I objected very much.  and now look at where we are.
1226063;1438802455;mod6;so before I say "yup, that's it, that's the thing that gets us to where we want to be", i want to fully understand what I'm agreeing to use.
1226064;1438802485;ascii_field;colour me thick, but i still don't get where the 'crisis' is
1226065;1438802488;jurov;so you still not understand what's this all about?
1226066;1438802587;ascii_field;yes, i agree with mircea_popescu re: how patches should embed hash of antecedent file. and imho this solves whatever problem exists (that is, enables it to be solved locally by any participant, in the style he prefers)
1226067;1438802620;ascii_field;while preserving the simultaneously total and minimal representation of .patch
1226068;1438802704;mod6;I think I need to see a concrete example of this - end to end.  I just can't picutre it mentally.
1226069;1438802711;jurov;yes that one is solved. but deedbot can be used only if clearsigned and without any accompanying text
1226070;1438802751;jurov;mod6 you have seen alf's patch with embedded sha512 example?
1226071;1438802757;jurov;!up ascii_field
1226072;1438802777;jurov;if yes we can start from there
1226073;1438802791;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225713 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225715
1226074;1438802791;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:37:50; asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0MWBGJ1 << original
1226075;1438802791;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:37:56; asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/04XFDSF << augmented
1226076;1438802799;*;mod6 looks
1226077;1438802845;jurov;!up fromphuctor
1226078;1438802861;mod6;ok and that sha512 hash is of the file /before/ the changes were made resulting in the patch?
1226079;1438802868;mod6;(the unchanged original file)
1226080;1438802870;jurov;yes
1226081;1438802894;mod6;ok. will diff take that and run it and ignore that first line with the hash?
1226082;1438802912;jurov;no, must roll ou our won diff/patch
1226083;1438802918;jurov;*roll out
1226084;1438802928;ascii_field;mod6: it will
1226085;1438802940;ascii_field;because comment
1226086;1438802949;mod6;it does now, or it will because we must now reinvent diff/patch ?
1226087;1438802953;ascii_field;what it won't do is take the hash into account when patching
1226088;1438802961;ascii_field;that requires either modified 'patch' util, or wrapped in perl etc
1226089;1438802964;jurov;but it's universally usable to (1) determine what version patch applies to (2) allows to remove files without listing whole contents
1226090;1438802970;ascii_field;^
1226091;1438803018;mod6;ok forget that im still confused for a moment because im dumb, and maybe I'll just get it in a few minutes...
1226092;1438803019;ascii_field;this magic pill lets you take a bag of patches, and determine in what order they apply
1226093;1438803026;mod6;how do we reconsile this with the patches already created/applied
1226094;1438803028;mod6;?
1226095;1438803029;ascii_field;by scripted brute force if necessary
1226096;1438803042;ascii_field;mod6: easy. i take mine and sign'em again
1226097;1438803048;ascii_field;and the rest of us, same.
1226098;1438803055;ascii_field;not so many that this is a mega-labour
1226099;1438803056;punkman;or can start from next release
1226100;1438803063;ascii_field;aha.
1226101;1438803063;mod6;so everyone else from the beginning of time (october 24th 2014) must resign all patches?
1226102;1438803064;ascii_field;also works
1226103;1438803075;ascii_field;all what, 25 of'em
1226104;1438803201;mod6;i need to re-read all of the logs from today and have a nice long "think" about it.
1226105;1438803213;hanbot;mod6: ;;later tell hanbot ping me when you get a chance plz. thx! << heya, i've got one
1226106;1438803227;ben_vulpes;poor mod6 can't catch a break around here
1226107;1438803254;hanbot;(am starting today's logs myself)
1226108;1438803257;mircea_popescu;mod6 sounds liek a plan
1226109;1438803330;ascii_field;mod6: i'm willing to re-create all of mine
1226110;1438803340;ascii_field;mod6: in the interest of maintaining the 'tree from beginning of the world' thing
1226111;1438803357;ascii_field;which a robotic graphatron could then walk
1226112;1438803381;mircea_popescu;good idea this
1226113;1438803522;mod6;i kinda like what i heard about that earlier.
1226114;1438803560;mod6;i gotta think about it a bit
1226115;1438803573;trinque;putting the information to construct the tree in the patches themselves has a nice decentralized nature to it
1226116;1438803763;mod6;<+ascii_field> mod6: i'm willing to re-create all of mine << ok no rush here.  lemme just re-read and think about all of these things for a bit.
1226117;1438803900;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225198 << blessfully, i don't think we're short these, by any sort of conceivable measure. nobody has that quality*count. we were however becoming a little short in organizing their effort, but i think that's resolving.
1226118;1438803900;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:44:32; asciilifeform: and yes, all of this looks like pointless sweat to the folks who struggle with builds, checking sigs, missed linefeedz, etc
1226119;1438803960;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225210 << apparently not. emulate me, will you!
1226120;1438803960;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:48:02; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu will likely run me through the "oh you're complaining here have some more of what irks you" chipper
1226121;1438803998;ascii_field;l0l
1226122;1438804093;mircea_popescu;the "rocks fall, everyone dies" of ai : "write mp emulator"
1226123;1438804119;shinohai;mod6: debian wen fine again: Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2 (2015-07-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1226124;1438804126;shinohai;I saved the hated Ubuntu for last
1226125;1438804128;*;ascii_field played privately with a mircea_popescu (from log linez) shannonizer
1226126;1438804130;ascii_field;it was lulzy
1226127;1438804137;mircea_popescu;anything good ?
1226128;1438804140;ascii_field;esp when set against one made from me
1226129;1438804152;mircea_popescu;post the bash thereof lol
1226130;1438804156;ascii_field;nah i get to see enough meat shannonizing in real life
1226131;1438804159;ascii_field;doubt anyone wants this
1226132;1438804164;ascii_field;but if yes - then will, at some point
1226133;1438804200;mircea_popescu;why do you think people read reddit ? it's got shannonappeal.
1226134;1438804201;ascii_field;also this is pretty easy to write and good exercise for n00bz
1226135;1438804207;mod6;shinohai: excellent work!  thank you.  these are the first steps in a series of similar things needed.
1226136;1438804266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15440 @ 0.0005467 = 8.441 BTC [+] {6} 
1226137;1438804575;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225245 << you're sounding like you expect this to be exceptional ? how the fuck often do i rebuild anything! what's more often than "once per machinbe" ? on ce per season ? recompile every election november ? once per pair of underwear ?
1226138;1438804575;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:53:37; asciilifeform: the 'rotor' toolchain, for instance, tripped up some folks. but it needs to be built ~once per machine~
1226139;1438804755;mircea_popescu;this incidentally would be a pretty great equivalent of old style personality cult bs. all os must contain picture of stalin. once he dies, computing takes day off while everyone recompiles new picture in. for everything.
1226140;1438804757;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1226141;1438804769;BingoBoingo;Oh, the many ways and times qntra suffers the slings and arrows of DDoS. People just can't stop endorsing us this way
1226142;1438804771;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: vs when tree updates
1226143;1438804773;mircea_popescu;bestkoreaos
1226144;1438804784;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aww, again ?
1226145;1438804795;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you just described glibc, l0l
1226146;1438804799;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah been going on for a couple hours nao
1226147;1438804859;mircea_popescu;"fixed".
1226148;1438804865;mircea_popescu;ascii_field lulzy is lulzy.
1226149;1438804952;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225256 << me recalls when people noticed the "make directory dev (mkdir dev). navigate to it (cd dev)" snippet.
1226150;1438804952;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 04:55:30; ben_vulpes: no! for it is a merely a derpy directory structure issue that any sophomore can figure out
1226151;1438804955;mircea_popescu;it IS USEFUL.
1226152;1438804977;mircea_popescu;in the strictly limited but ever present sense that its presence prevents its absence from being harmful.
1226153;1438804996;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is a fan of knuth's 'literate programming' ?
1226154;1438804998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.0005489 = 65.4289 BTC [+] {6} 
1226155;1438805007;mircea_popescu;sure.
1226156;1438805017;mircea_popescu;i'm a fan of knuth generally.
1226157;1438805024;ascii_field;http://www.literateprogramming.com << apparently exists !
1226158;1438805025;assbot;Literate Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRlDJB )
1226159;1438805040;mircea_popescu;he may be argued with it, but so far without exception the "you'll come to agree, because you're smart and i'm right" controlled to date.
1226160;1438805053;ascii_field;nah that's dijkstra
1226161;1438805055;ascii_field;but sure.
1226162;1438805059;mircea_popescu;same person.
1226163;1438805063;ascii_field;l0l
1226164;1438805078;ascii_field;shared beard.
1226165;1438805108;mircea_popescu;i wonder how they dereference it.
1226166;1438805177;mircea_popescu;actually i have nfi why knuth's book isn't the basis of cs in the us.
1226167;1438805187;mircea_popescu;much like feynman's the only way to teach undergrads really
1226168;1438805209;ascii_field;http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git;a=blob;f=jonesforth.S;h=45e6e854a5d2a4c3f26af264dfce56379d401425;hb=HEAD << example of literate programming alive
1226169;1438805212;assbot;192.168.0.150 Git - jonesforth.git/blob - jonesforth.S ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRm4Uk )
1226170;1438805223;ascii_field;(my personal favourite. mirror - original vanished)
1226171;1438805267;ascii_field;my imaginary bitcoin book was to be a work of 'literate programming'
1226172;1438805269;ascii_field;for example.
1226173;1438805276;mircea_popescu;actually it's perfect.
1226174;1438805283;*;ascii_field sadly pines for the book
1226175;1438805418;*;mircea_popescu briefly considers mirroring it, then notices it's actually histed on author's own domain, desists.
1226176;1438805440;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git;a=blob;f=jonesforth.f;h=5c1309574ae1165195a43250c19c822ab8681671;hb=HEAD << the other half of it
1226177;1438805442;assbot;192.168.0.150 Git - jonesforth.git/blob - jonesforth.f ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRmBWh )
1226178;1438805444;ascii_field;and yes, it runs
1226179;1438805452;ascii_field;and is a complete os, in a sense
1226180;1438805457;ascii_field;cople kb.
1226181;1438805461;ascii_field;*couple-a
1226182;1438805465;mircea_popescu;looks pretty hairshirty.
1226183;1438805482;ascii_field;but not really. 'simple as possible, not simpler'
1226184;1438805498;ascii_field;there's a fella somewhere who wrote an 'arm' version, if any aficionados of that arch are reading this
1226185;1438805528;shinohai;I'm none too thrilled with my foray into arm since bitcoin
1226186;1438805556;ascii_field;shinohai: why?
1226187;1438805593;shinohai;I'm still not at a level where I can cross-compile. So I have a rather useless box atm.
1226188;1438805609;ascii_field;shinohai: you have 'rotor' built, yes ?
1226189;1438805623;shinohai;yup
1226190;1438805652;shinohai;binary still doesn't run on mah pogo so I did something wrong.
1226191;1438805667;ascii_field;didja set the arch to arm ?
1226192;1438805705;shinohai;I need to see someone's build log that doesn't mind sharing, I'm sire it will click what I'm not changing.
1226193;1438805729;ascii_field;i guess this is one more thing i will have to post.
1226194;1438805800;shinohai;Once I do figure out this necromancy, I am sure I will kick myself for the next 2-3 years for failing to see it.
1226195;1438805827;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226167 << i personally prefer landau
1226196;1438805827;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: much like feynman's the only way to teach undergrads really
1226197;1438805863;mircea_popescu;for russian kids.
1226198;1438805882;mircea_popescu;let each culture have its own fucking buildings already. what is this globalisation.
1226199;1438805980;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225356 << this actually sounds sane.
1226200;1438805980;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 06:40:49; BingoBoingo: My misdemeanor case is on a one way path now. It is going to hearing seeking dismissal. If not dismissed then to trial seeking not-guilty adjudication. Then to civil court seeking damages for seriously hindering my employability.
1226201;1438805980;ascii_field;where is the zimbabwean landau, aha
1226202;1438806028;ascii_field;btw there is a pretty fine british translation
1226203;1438806070;mircea_popescu;ascii_field zimbabwean may not be a thing.
1226204;1438806072;ascii_field;and didn't mircea_popescu eat it in french l0l
1226205;1438806074;mircea_popescu;and sure, there is.
1226206;1438806082;mircea_popescu;and yes, i did.
1226207;1438806105;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing it be forbidden or anything. just, i give localised first choice.
1226208;1438806140;mircea_popescu;i made italian slavegirl read d.c. and english slavegirl read shakespeare not the other way around. why not ? works either way after all, by definition.
1226209;1438806154;*;ascii_field pictures the gurlz lapping up feynman
1226210;1438806252;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225397 ,<< "from around the world".
1226211;1438806252;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 07:32:13; punkman: even though patent dates to 1974
1226212;1438806267;mircea_popescu;at least it wasn't built with the ground up with getting laid in mind, so i guess there is that.
1226213;1438806688;diametric;!up ascii_field
1226214;1438806713;mircea_popescu;ascii_field mike_c and whomever else concerned : http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2015-statement/#comment-114967 ?
1226215;1438806714;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRpgiH )
1226216;1438806737;ascii_field;appears to display
1226217;1438806756;mike_c;ah, good news.  fixed for me.
1226218;1438806770;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu
1226219;1438806773;mircea_popescu;does it also verify ?
1226220;1438806859;ascii_field;nope.
1226221;1438806875;mike_c;html and pgp don't mix
1226222;1438806888;ascii_field;Dear MP,\n
1226223;1438806888;ascii_field;gpg: invalid armor header:
1226224;1438806888;ascii_field;gpg: Signature made Tue Aug  4 23:13:13 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
1226225;1438806888;ascii_field;gpg: BAD signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>"
1226226;1438806972;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225448 << get out of here. back in 2012 i was in a chan just like this one (or so it seemed), surrounded by idiots who blessfully got pushed out of bitcoiun by their own mentally stunted disability, but who at the time BELIEVED.
1226227;1438806972;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 08:17:50; BingoBoingo: Between pirateat40 and TradeFartress the latter probably ran the more dangerous long con, because people believed him. Not absolutely, but generally.
1226228;1438806982;mircea_popescu;like they believe in global warming and fuck knows what else.
1226229;1438806988;mircea_popescu;as a substitute for a personality.
1226230;1438807012;ben_vulpes;ascii_field, mircea_popescu: didn't hanbot teach us about the dangers of html and gpg earlier?
1226231;1438807030;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's one or the other it seems. either i <pre> it which makes it verify, but then linmes are fixed length. or else iu don't, which lets you read it, but ascii gets fucked.
1226232;1438807043;mircea_popescu;the pill for this would be : never ever sign a cleartext with lines longer than the signature.
1226233;1438807077;mike_c;or add some css for pre
1226234;1438807079;trinque;could do that derpy overflow-x: auto in css at the cost of an eyesore scrollbar
1226235;1438807081;trinque;yeah
1226236;1438807083;ascii_field;ugh
1226237;1438807093;mircea_popescu;i suppose i could add a style markup to the pre tag.
1226238;1438807097;mircea_popescu;anyone know right off what it is ?
1226239;1438807110;trinque;mircea_popescu: that one I said, if you want a scrollbar
1226240;1438807117;trinque;overflow-x: auto;
1226241;1438807118;mircea_popescu;"style=overflow-x:auto;" ?
1226242;1438807131;*;ascii_field blissfully ignorant of this matter
1226243;1438807132;ben_vulpes;trinque: continuing our windowing and emacs sojurn: https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm
1226244;1438807133;assbot;ch11ng/exwm · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRq0UZ )
1226245;1438807133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00053312 = 33.4799 BTC [-]
1226246;1438807133;trinque;style="overflow-x: auto"
1226247;1438807144;mike_c;sheesh, put a semicolon at the end :)
1226248;1438807167;mircea_popescu;isn't there a style that makes it wrap ?
1226249;1438807168;trinque;mike_c: not required by the spec
1226250;1438807182;mike_c;really?  hm.  spec is lazy.
1226251;1438807204;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yeah, linewrap.
1226252;1438807221;mircea_popescu;can i plox has usable format ty
1226253;1438807230;mike_c;if you throw it up with the pre I can play with it and give you good css?
1226254;1438807245;trinque;there's    white-space: pre-wrap    in css3
1226255;1438807250;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^
1226256;1438807255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00053312 = 3.1987 BTC [-]
1226257;1438807266;mircea_popescu;gpg: Signature made Wed 05 Aug 2015 12:13:13 AM ART using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
1226258;1438807267;mircea_popescu;gpg: BAD signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>"
1226259;1438807276;mircea_popescu;in victory radio news, the thing doesn't work anymore full stop.
1226260;1438807330;trinque;https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space << options
1226261;1438807332;assbot;white-space - CSS | MDN ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRqr1w )
1226262;1438807424;trinque;mike_c | really?  hm.  spec is lazy. << yup, everything in the browser has the squish of trying to be maximally permissive
1226263;1438807457;mike_c;i concur, still doesn't verify.  overflow-x did make the scrollbar appear all the way at bottom, still sucks.  white-space: pre-wrap also works, and makes the line breaks look even worse, but content is at least all visible.
1226264;1438807511;mike_c;Feels like a line-ending problem.  dpaste the original?
1226265;1438807515;mircea_popescu;still bad signature.
1226266;1438807520;mike_c;yeah
1226267;1438807541;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2Y7KA8E.txt
1226268;1438807543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRqRFj )
1226269;1438807543;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1226270;1438807546;mircea_popescu;original works.
1226271;1438807566;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/5BPo3BK.jpg
1226272;1438807567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRqSZV )
1226273;1438807568;mircea_popescu;there was an issue where pre created a new line. why ? FUCK YOU FOR USING THINGS THATS WHY
1226274;1438807576;mircea_popescu;but even with that fixed, still broken
1226275;1438807590;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: ew
1226276;1438807622;mike_c;I think mpex method is perhaps best method.  Just show the text and link to verifiable text blob.
1226277;1438807631;ben_vulpes;^^
1226278;1438807633;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Only so many nuggets I can do when qntra under DDoS
1226279;1438807645;trinque;a literal shit-heel...
1226280;1438807646;ascii_field;mike_c, ben_vulpes: sad that text has to appear twice
1226281;1438807651;trinque;the wonders in life, man
1226282;1438807682;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess so mike_c
1226283;1438807707;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i still don't get it, why was it necessary to shit in a bath tub ?
1226284;1438807728;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's reddit baiting.\
1226285;1438807729;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Because OP was "galaxy" sized
1226286;1438807741;mircea_popescu;people used to try and suck producer cock to "be a tv star"
1226287;1438807750;ascii_field;iirc they make custom 'american' toilets for this
1226288;1438807750;mircea_popescu;now they sit on couch try to "invent viral memes"
1226289;1438807764;ascii_field;somebody linked one earlier
1226290;1438807788;mircea_popescu;mike_c anyway ima link to deedbot just as soon as it pops.
1226291;1438807791;ascii_field;(photo of reinforced mega-toilet)
1226292;1438807817;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Installing toilet is work. Acquiring toilet costs money that could be spent on Beetus fuel.
1226293;1438807830;mike_c;technology aside, that is still good news.  Perhaps 2015 will be the year!
1226294;1438807868;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
1226295;1438807886;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: embrace the webshit. iframe to signed thinger!
1226296;1438807898;ascii_field;ick
1226297;1438807910;ben_vulpes;embrace the shit
1226298;1438807913;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225462 << how aboot i buy you a vidcard ?
1226299;1438807913;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 08:27:03; BingoBoingo: I jsut need to find a way to build it without Nvidia cg toolkit.
1226300;1438807914;*;ascii_field actually wrote a web thing!
1226301;1438807914;ben_vulpes;swallow the shit
1226302;1438807916;ben_vulpes;love the shit
1226303;1438807917;ascii_field;(phuctor)
1226304;1438807931;*;ben_vulpes goes looking for shitposts
1226305;1438807970;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ... << how aboot i buy you a vidcard ? Hard to stick in portable machine. Also problem isn't machine. Problem is cg isn't available as source or for OpenBDSM
1226306;1438807985;ben_vulpes;But thoughtful Pointsman, anticipating this, has been sending laxative pills with her meals. Now her intestines whine softly, and she feels shit begin to slide down and out. He kneels with his arms up holding the rich cape. A dark turd appears out the crevice, out of the absolute darkness between her white buttocks. He spreads his knees, awkwardly, until he can feel the leather of her boots. He leans forward to surround the hot turd
1226307;1438807985;ben_vulpes;with his lips, sucking on it tenderly, licking along its lower side . . . he is thinking, he’s sorry, he can’t help it, thinking of a Negro’s penis, yes he knows it abrogates part of the conditions set, but it will not be denied, the image of a brute African who will make him behave. . . . The stink of shit floods his nose, gathering him, surrounding. It is the smell of Passchendaele, of the Salient. Mixed with the mud, and the
1226308;1438807985;ben_vulpes;putrefaction of corpses, it was the sovereign smell of their first meeting, and her emblem. The turd slides into his mouth, down to his gullet. He gags, but bravely clamps his teeth shut. Bread that would only have floated in porcelain waters somewhere, unseen, untasted—risen now and baked in the bitter intestinal Oven to bread we know, bread that’s light as domestic comfort, secret as death in bed . . . Spasms in his throat
1226309;1438807985;ben_vulpes;continue. The pain is terrible. With his tongue he mashes shit against the roof of his mouth and begins to chew, thickly now, the only sound in the room. . . .
1226310;1438807994;ben_vulpes;(Pynchon)
1226311;1438808021;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's a point huh.
1226312;1438808041;BingoBoingo;Turn out Eulora isn't completely Open Source yet.
1226313;1438808076;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: When I get time though I'll try chopping Eulora to remove the parts that depend on it and see if it works
1226314;1438808077;ascii_field;aha, this is why i haven't tried it yet personally
1226315;1438808099;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't even recall how or why cg is in there. mebbe chetty can shed a light
1226316;1438808116;BingoBoingo;It's probably there for shader effects
1226317;1438808125;mircea_popescu;you can definitely turn those off.
1226318;1438808154;BingoBoingo;Best way to turn off is with <delete> key
1226319;1438808210;BingoBoingo;Also Crystal space uses cg at least until its next release
1226320;1438808210;mircea_popescu;hey, i'd be all for a special "all open" client if you feel like doing this
1226321;1438808256;mircea_popescu;do it, get some pickaxes to dig up the euloran lands
1226322;1438808270;BingoBoingo;I'll give it a try
1226323;1438808333;BingoBoingo;If anyone else better equipped for task wants to attempt They would probably require less time.
1226324;1438808360;mircea_popescu;no shortage of tasks.
1226325;1438808393;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Ubuntu builds fine for me w/ image provided.
1226326;1438808393;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1226327;1438808437;mod6;w00t
1226328;1438808442;mod6;thanks shinohai
1226329;1438808472;shinohai;nw, vm building was a bit slow but I chalk it up to Ubuntu bloat.
1226330;1438808556;mod6;if anyone else wants to try here are the steps: http://dpaste.com/1Q96E5N.txt
1226331;1438808557;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRsLWh )
1226332;1438808558;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1226333;1438808572;ascii_field;since my broadcast was mentioned: any interest in 'rotolinux' ?
1226334;1438808576;mod6;please ensure that you are running x86_64 by doing `uname -a`
1226335;1438808593;gernika;^^
1226336;1438808609;mod6;if NOT, if you're running i686 or i386, replace auto.sh with: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000071.html
1226337;1438808610;assbot;[BTC-dev] Modified Portatronic build script for building statically linked 32bit bitcoind: auto.sh (v0.0.5-32) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRsTVK )
1226338;1438808624;shinohai;*32-bit and Winblowze coming soon (tm)*
1226339;1438808635;*;mod6 slaps shinohai with a large unix manual
1226340;1438808674;shinohai;I spent all day yesterday getting slapped by Windows users asking questions about gaming.
1226341;1438808680;ascii_field;i'd sooner port to 'amiga'
1226342;1438808684;ascii_field;but - to each his own
1226343;1438808703;shinohai;I refuse to buy a Windows box just to play a game.
1226344;1438808721;mod6;i had a neighbor once who showed me his amiga.  never stopped raving about it.
1226345;1438808746;mod6;this was like in '06... it still worked. *shrug*
1226346;1438808775;shinohai;I still have my childhood Tandy
1226347;1438808943;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225836 < word./
1226348;1438808943;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 15:27:45; trinque: the requirement that signed and deeded patches be the primary representation of a contribution great appeal though, for obvious reasons
1226349;1438809025;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225862 << explain to me why do you need magic numbers.
1226350;1438809025;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 17:15:51; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225798 << how do i embed ~unmutilatable~ binaries in deedbot? uuencode ?!!!
1226351;1438809036;ascii_field;?
1226352;1438809042;mircea_popescu;what do you suppose a binary is ?
1226353;1438809051;ascii_field;an unmutilated string of bitz
1226354;1438809060;mircea_popescu;all binaries are magic numbers.
1226355;1438809064;mircea_popescu;they do not belong in the code pot.
1226356;1438809109;ascii_field;can't post unmutilated - can't sign
1226357;1438809113;ascii_field;just the way it is.
1226358;1438809131;mircea_popescu;i dun follow
1226359;1438809140;ascii_field;didn't we just have this thread ?
1226360;1438809145;ascii_field;re: s.nsa broadcast?
1226361;1438809149;mircea_popescu;maybe i had an aneurism or something.
1226362;1438809156;mircea_popescu;but that's not a bin oh you mean text-as-binary ?
1226363;1438809176;ascii_field;retarded code rapes text because it can
1226364;1438809196;mircea_popescu;well calling it "binary" doesn't protect it you know, just confuses me. but i see what you mean.
1226365;1438809198;ascii_field;'binary' is what folks call strings of bits that will die if raped
1226366;1438809217;ascii_field;hence why i insist that a turdatron must support 'binaries'
1226367;1438809228;ascii_field;because enough with the rape plz
1226368;1438809236;mircea_popescu;feminist.
1226369;1438809255;ascii_field;'i meant what i said, and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain a hundred percent'. go, rape, but that wasn't what i signed wazzit.
1226370;1438809285;mircea_popescu;this conversation is hateful of male values and triggers me.
1226371;1438809364;ascii_field;can always sign uuncode, l0l
1226372;1438809368;ascii_field;*uuencode
1226373;1438809373;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225877 << im not reading that, but did you find the actual thesis ?
1226374;1438809373;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 17:32:26; BingoBoingo: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/009920.html << lol
1226375;1438809424;mircea_popescu;on the face seems more of gavin-the-retard having "studies" and "Economists agree" and "industreew support" bs "if we say it then it becomes a thing because magic is magic" stuff
1226376;1438809436;mircea_popescu;ascii_field could also just be gents and not rape the text.
1226377;1438809446;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gavin doesn't know how mining works or is a liar.
1226378;1438809457;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: gpg rapes.
1226379;1438809462;ascii_field;mail client rapes
1226380;1438809473;ascii_field;sendmail rapes
1226381;1438809474;ascii_field;etc.
1226382;1438809476;mircea_popescu;mail yes, but i hope to see it disused eventually. gpg does not ? afaik ?
1226383;1438809484;ascii_field;gpg does!
1226384;1438809492;ascii_field;see the dashes in my broadcast, for example.
1226385;1438809507;mircea_popescu;sigh
1226386;1438809508;ascii_field;(they get 'escaped')
1226387;1438809521;mircea_popescu;well it needs the dashes!
1226388;1438809523;shinohai;What potential rape may look like: https://i.imgur.com/LcKy6eQ.jpg
1226389;1438809523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gKWGWF )
1226390;1438809528;mircea_popescu;they only get escaped if leading line!
1226391;1438809532;ascii_field;this breaks code. (not even speaking of binaries, e.g., tarball)
1226392;1438809550;mircea_popescu;shinohai nice tits.
1226393;1438809551;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: regardless, can't rely on arbitrary string staying intact
1226394;1438809561;mircea_popescu;sad but true huh.
1226395;1438809562;mircea_popescu;-r ?
1226396;1438809578;mircea_popescu;i HATE not being able to read shit.
1226397;1438809694;ascii_field;-r ?
1226398;1438809721;mircea_popescu;armorer
1226399;1438809726;ascii_field;-a
1226400;1438809757;mircea_popescu;heh right you are.
1226401;1438809813;jurov;maybe we and up patching gpg to scan for unmodified content from the beginning and for signature(s) from the end
1226402;1438809818;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2015-statement/ << more or less fixed, i guess
1226403;1438809819;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4fCuM )
1226404;1438809819;jurov;*end up
1226405;1438809851;jurov;no mutilation needed
1226406;1438809933;ascii_field;jurov: that still leaves the other rapists
1226407;1438809940;ascii_field;mail clients, filters, etc
1226408;1438809946;ascii_field;even paste buffers on some systems
1226409;1438810018;jurov;only if you insist.
1226410;1438810052;jurov;my mail client (kmail) allows to turn off wordwrap and html by two clicks.
1226411;1438810058;jurov;never had any problem
1226412;1438810067;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225953 << me is dutifully considering
1226413;1438810067;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 18:54:25; mod6: if our idea is to clearsign patches and then submit them to deedbot, i urge you all to review this email and consider why that doesn't work:
1226414;1438810091;ascii_field;jurov: i use squirrelmail, and - afaik - mutilatory
1226415;1438810102;mircea_popescu;ascii_field traditionally it must be observed, the problem of rapists has been resolved by controling the social group you hang out with, not by altering male anatomy.
1226416;1438810180;ascii_field;i don't see why i oughta custom gpg, custom squirrelmail, custom shoelaces
1226417;1438810204;jurov;you alread have custom squirrelmail
1226418;1438810210;jurov;just not customized by you
1226419;1438810219;jurov;:D
1226420;1438810233;ascii_field;custom as in opening up rusted shut things that i haven't adjusted for many years
1226421;1438810251;ascii_field;verily this is a dumb idea
1226422;1438810258;mircea_popescu;zing.
1226423;1438810270;mircea_popescu;"already customized!" alfie.
1226424;1438810299;mircea_popescu;you have any idea what all the tim swansons of the world gotta do wrt rusted shut things they've not adjusted for years ?
1226425;1438810309;mircea_popescu;you complainin' bout squirrelmail, what's ferrocranium to say ?
1226426;1438810331;ascii_field;wai wat
1226427;1438810364;ascii_field;and also wat, i gotta recompile xorg for paste buffer to behave sanely?
1226428;1438810365;ascii_field;no thx.
1226429;1438810372;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1226430;1438810377;mircea_popescu;molci i susi.
1226431;1438810390;ascii_field;i'll switch to ebcdc first.
1226432;1438810413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225956 << maybe i've nbot given consideration enough time, but it seems to me that if something can not be made into a text file, that something can't be part of a computer program. the making/demaking necessarily can be automated.
1226433;1438810413;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 18:55:16; mod6: now, it might be that I'm not exactly understanding what the proceedure for submitting to deed bot would be.  but if clearsigned .patch files, that can not work.
1226434;1438810414;ascii_field;*ebcdic
1226435;1438810438;ascii_field;TEXT FILES GET RAPED
1226436;1438810451;mircea_popescu;for lack of a better example, might consider http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/foxy_eulora_craftbottar.gz (included manifest), which does in fact do this, if crudely.
1226437;1438810452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRvxeh )
1226438;1438810460;mircea_popescu;ascii_field binary text, gimme a break.
1226439;1438810478;mircea_popescu;a magical distillate whereby i can read it and programs don't rape it. binartytext.
1226440;1438810488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101699 @ 0.00053762 = 54.6754 BTC [+] {3} 
1226441;1438810513;ascii_field;aka gpg --deatch-sig
1226442;1438810530;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226427 << now this is interesting. have a link?
1226443;1438810530;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 21:32:44; ascii_field: and also wat, i gotta recompile xorg for paste buffer to behave sanely?
1226444;1438810554;ascii_field;jurov: no link. just experience.
1226445;1438810576;ascii_field;but i promise to post a sample next time it pops up
1226446;1438810580;jurov;cuz i never noticed in 10 or so years married to xfree86/xorg
1226447;1438810631;ascii_field;jurov: possibly this is a bug triggered by locale
1226448;1438810660;jurov;i do have locale set
1226449;1438810669;ascii_field;you have 100% latin!
1226450;1438810687;jurov;% ls nonex
1226451;1438810689;jurov;ls: nie je možné pristupovať k nonex: Adresár alebo súbor neexistuje
1226452;1438810697;jurov;^ 100%latin
1226453;1438810697;ascii_field;latin.
1226454;1438810752;jurov;but anyway, we're talking about code, where do you want to use 8th bit?
1226455;1438810815;ascii_field;jurov: nowhere in the payload proper
1226456;1438810837;ascii_field;but reflecting on the fact that i don't always get 'out' of paste buffer what comes 'in'.
1226457;1438810852;jurov;ok, will wait for the occassion.
1226458;1438810854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14980 @ 0.00053404 = 7.9999 BTC [-]
1226459;1438811048;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225969 < me. to read.
1226460;1438811048;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 18:56:41; ascii_field: who thought this was a good idea, and why
1226461;1438811067;ascii_field;can't read patches now ?
1226462;1438811096;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150710/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option_e35906e7432550b0cadd46bbc253258d39a8c210.patch << loads in all browsers
1226463;1438811097;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRwenZ )
1226464;1438811109;ascii_field;they're all entirely readable. what am i missing ?
1226465;1438811152;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226007 < wut ?!
1226466;1438811152;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 19:03:14; mod6: what about for unsigned new submissions?
1226467;1438811159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208550 @ 0.00052796 = 110.1061 BTC [-] {7} 
1226468;1438811193;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the objection to ml as is was not that individual patches are unreadable.
1226469;1438811250;ascii_field;what, then ?
1226470;1438811311;mircea_popescu;well i don't feel equal to the task of restating the whole conversation as ongoing for past weeks / peaked today. i'll just say : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225521
1226471;1438811311;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 13:37:54; mircea_popescu: there are very specifically TWO things we want to do here, and they are not miscible.
1226472;1438811330;ascii_field;imho embedding antecedents solves.
1226473;1438811342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00053807 = 22.5451 BTC [+] {4} 
1226474;1438811343;mircea_popescu;if it stays as a ml, becomes a wiki, somehow otherwise including deedbot or not changes i do not care per se
1226475;1438811354;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225956 << maybe i've nbot given consideration enough time, but it seems to me that if something can not be made into a text file, that something can't be part of a computer program. the making/demaking necessarily can be automated. << i didn't understand that this problem could be side-stepped with gpg --decrypt
1226476;1438811354;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 18:55:16; mod6: now, it might be that I'm not exactly understanding what the proceedure for submitting to deed bot would be.  but if clearsigned .patch files, that can not work.
1226477;1438811354;mircea_popescu;just a pile of options that were considered
1226478;1438811441;mircea_popescu;but i guess the consensus is pointing towards, ml gets restated with antecedents, trinque writes a grapher for it all ?
1226479;1438811448;jurov;so, ml can stay as is (without filename mutilation)?
1226480;1438811449;mircea_popescu;well, grapher+verifier ideally.
1226481;1438811458;ascii_field;that was my original suggestion earlier, yes
1226482;1438811468;mircea_popescu;i have no objections to this
1226483;1438811475;ascii_field;it would make it possible for, e.g., hanbot, to view the 'patchchain' cleanly
1226484;1438811488;ascii_field;and ask meaningful questions about branches
1226485;1438811488;jurov;plus it will detect (and optionally show decoded )clearsigned patches?
1226486;1438811494;mircea_popescu;^
1226487;1438811515;mircea_popescu;and ideally, have it spit out a "final version" with regressions accessible through some procedure (clicking)
1226488;1438811534;ascii_field;jurov: the problem is that gpg 'escaping' is not a reversible operation
1226489;1438811556;ascii_field;in that it is impossible for the machine to determine that a particular '- -' is to be transformed into a '-' or not
1226490;1438811562;mircea_popescu;you just remove "- " from all lines :D
1226491;1438811566;ascii_field;the 'escape' operation is thermodynamically lossy.
1226492;1438811572;mod6;ascii_field: so does `gpg --decrypt` work for that as danielpbarron & jurov said?
1226493;1438811580;ascii_field;mod6; decrypt ?
1226494;1438811586;mod6;they said ...
1226495;1438811588;*;mod6 scrolls back
1226496;1438811599;ascii_field;it solves nothing
1226497;1438811608;jurov;well, if gpg can't undo it and it causes the patch to fail...then it fails.
1226498;1438811619;jurov;sender will have to resend with detached sig
1226499;1438811631;mod6;<+danielpbarron> can't you unmutilate by using gpg --decrypt ? <+jurov> mod6 just do gpg --decrypt and it undoes it
1226500;1438811640;ascii_field;'undoes'
1226501;1438811650;ascii_field;will destroy certain non-escaped text.
1226502;1438811653;ascii_field;as described earlier.
1226503;1438811661;mod6;so mutilates
1226504;1438811664;ascii_field;aha.
1226505;1438811672;mod6;ok then we're settled.
1226506;1438811734;mod6;i guess for me thats the one big thing, we can't have any mutilation of the patch files. or we'll just find ourselves banging our heads all the time.
1226507;1438811743;ascii_field;^^
1226508;1438811758;jurov;it computes shasums of everything submitted already
1226509;1438811765;mircea_popescu;i just tried this... it doesn't mutilate on encrypt/decrypt
1226510;1438811767;jurov;can check easily
1226511;1438811769;mod6;and honestly, this is no poor reflection on deedbot. the thing is cool.
1226512;1438811802;mircea_popescu;ie, - came out as - and - - as - -
1226513;1438811881;ascii_field;that's because the output of 'encrypt' is a base64 turd that isn't expected to coexist with text the way a clearsigned string is.
1226514;1438811885;jurov;as with xorg buffer, i'm curious, will see if anyone submits something with valid sig that gpg fails to unescape.
1226515;1438811891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00052531 = 6.724 BTC [-]
1226516;1438811920;mircea_popescu;ascii_field right
1226517;1438811954;mod6;ah, encrypt/decrypt, but we want clearsign or am i misunderstanding this?
1226518;1438811971;ascii_field;mod6: somebody wanted 'clearsigned patches'
1226519;1438811976;jurov;mod6 decrypt on *clearsigned* file
1226520;1438811981;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226063 << a man who burned himself with the soup...
1226521;1438811981;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 19:20:55; mod6: so before I say "yup, that's it, that's the thing that gets us to where we want to be", i want to fully understand what I'm agreeing to use.
1226522;1438811990;ascii_field;and i was trying to explain that this is deeply broken
1226523;1438811991;jurov;will spew out the original
1226524;1438812006;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226063 << a man who burned himself with the soup... << lol indeed
1226525;1438812006;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 19:20:55; mod6: so before I say "yup, that's it, that's the thing that gets us to where we want to be", i want to fully understand what I'm agreeing to use.
1226526;1438812194;mircea_popescu;tbh an equivalent of the callgraph / mike's wot graph but for PATCHES would not be amiss.
1226527;1438812203;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1226528;1438812219;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: to be clear, that is precisely what i had in mind when suggested the hash embed thing
1226529;1438812222;mircea_popescu;have all the wot listed on the side. have all the patches AS A TREE listed next to it. have relations from wot tyo patches.
1226530;1438812230;ascii_field;aha.
1226531;1438812236;mircea_popescu;this would help me immensely.
1226532;1438812280;jurov;can enlist trinque or anyone's help with graphics
1226533;1438812308;mircea_popescu;so basically ml as restateds + grapher in the sense of the above, svg (clickable) is really the definitive word on this ?
1226534;1438812331;jurov;clickable svg *gasp* :D
1226535;1438812335;mircea_popescu;already sounds like a quantum leap tbh
1226536;1438812344;mircea_popescu;jurov wut!
1226537;1438812349;ascii_field;this is precisely what i had in mind, aha
1226538;1438812362;mircea_popescu;mod6 ^ give that a long think.
1226539;1438812375;ascii_field;(when i said 'graph walker' earlier today)
1226540;1438812395;mircea_popescu;trinque and with a bonus "click here for this patch" and "click here for this patch + all its antecedents" spew.
1226541;1438812435;ascii_field;'show who signed this'
1226542;1438812448;ascii_field;'load all sigs'
1226543;1438812453;mircea_popescu;epic.
1226544;1438812485;ascii_field;first needs the chicken, err, the embedded antecedent indicators
1226545;1438812487;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 ^ give that a long think. << i like this idea with the wot graph + source patches as a tree next to it so relations can be easily seen & drilled into.
1226546;1438812494;mircea_popescu;yes.
1226547;1438812511;mircea_popescu;i knew this was a tooling problem mostly. pretty much 99% of all that's needed is already here.
1226548;1438812518;mircea_popescu;just need to amass the pile into a sane shape
1226549;1438812526;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> already sounds like a quantum leap tbh << it is.
1226550;1438812607;mircea_popescu;and opbvciously, with a checkbox "allow this antecedent"
1226551;1438812617;mircea_popescu;pruning the tree of all ulteriors that depend on an unclicked patch
1226552;1438812629;jurov;and "launch missiles"
1226553;1438812684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00055024 = 8.6938 BTC [+] {2} 
1226554;1438812760;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 decrypt on *clearsigned* file << this indeed works.  created file A.txt. copied A.txt to B.txt and subtracted some lines. created a unified diff of both. clearsigned the diff -- which is mutilated for escaped hyphens.  upon `gpg --decrypt` of the clearsigned output patch file, i get the same hash as the pre-clearsigned hash file.
1226555;1438813036;mod6;*patch file.
1226556;1438813118;mod6;main difference seems to be... we would now need to enter our password every time to verify the signature as opposed to just --verify
1226557;1438813152;ascii_field;no-go.
1226558;1438813164;mod6;oh actually, im wrong about that.
1226559;1438813172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47037 @ 0.00055025 = 25.8821 BTC [+] {5} 
1226560;1438813174;mod6;it doesn't ask. derp.
1226561;1438813187;ascii_field;this is still procrustean
1226562;1438813192;mod6;was gonna say. "how does that makes sense?!"
1226563;1438813311;mod6;had to look that up.
1226564;1438813315;mod6;ok well, yah
1226565;1438813481;jurov;;;ud procrustean
1226566;1438813482;gribble;Google found nothing.
1226567;1438813527;mod6;ok so another question i have about the deedbot way.. would be:  if we submit a patch to deedbot, how do we tie a message to that same submission?  say we wanna be like "Hey, this thing is neat!"  Will it need to reference anothe deedbot submission or does the patch have to come after our statment in the clearsigned message?
1226568;1438813573;jurov;you can just submit both at once
1226569;1438813589;jurov;or otherwise suggest to deedbot they're related
1226570;1438813614;ascii_field;throw message prior to the first 'diff ....' in the ,patch
1226571;1438813628;ascii_field;but for the record i think this 'cram all in one file' thing is braindamaged.
1226572;1438813661;mod6;im not ciked about that either.
1226573;1438813674;ascii_field;braindamaged and entirely unnecessary.
1226574;1438813696;ascii_field;throw hashes in deedbot, sure. or even uuencodes. but to make it a canonical repository of anything else, is a microscope-hammer.
1226575;1438813705;ascii_field;or perhaps more of a hammer-microscope.
1226576;1438813806;jurov;having an option to tell deedbot "present these together on one page" should suffice
1226577;1438813904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57150 @ 0.00052119 = 29.786 BTC [-] {4} 
1226578;1438813919;mod6;but then you could just have detached sigs?
1226579;1438813920;scoopbot_revived;Pity the lil' goldbuggers. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/05/pity-the-lil-goldbuggers/
1226580;1438813953;mod6;that would be the way to do it as I said earlier.  but not sure if that's really feasable.
1226581;1438814034;mod6;!up ascii_field
1226582;1438814043;ascii_field;detached sigs are the way to go, imho.
1226583;1438814050;ascii_field;esp since >1 person can sign a patch
1226584;1438814061;ascii_field;there is not a 1:1 mapping between sigs & patches
1226585;1438814084;ascii_field;storing the same text >1 time is retarded
1226586;1438814104;ascii_field;dealing with mutilations - likewise
1226587;1438814126;mod6;well and probably error prone if he/she has to cut the upper text out just to get down to "bare" patch to re-clearsign and submit to deedbot... could miss line, something bad.
1226588;1438814130;mod6;etc
1226589;1438814132;ascii_field;aha.
1226590;1438814148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.0005516 = 22.1743 BTC [+] {3} 
1226591;1438814244;ascii_field;http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/detail/government-ruins-the-dishwasher-again << lol (via pete_dushenski)
1226592;1438814247;assbot;Government Ruins the Dishwasher (Again) : Anything Peaceful : Foundation for Economic Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iqt8UN )
1226593;1438814345;ascii_field;'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduced water pressure in
1226594;1438814345;ascii_field;general.'
1226595;1438814393;ascii_field;'If the regulators really do get their way, functioning dishwashers could become like high-flow toilets: contraband to be snuck across borders and sold at a high black market prices.'
1226596;1438814405;jurov;same in eu. can't find washmachine with <2 hour cycle anymore cuz "saves water and electricity"
1226597;1438814416;ascii_field;i can confirm, ~proper~ toilets have been rare and collectible in usaschwitz, since '90s
1226598;1438814488;ascii_field;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html << unrelated l0l
1226599;1438814491;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqtE5i )
1226600;1438814507;ascii_field;'In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.'
1226601;1438814653;ascii_field;https://archive.is/EOetK
1226602;1438814654;assbot;In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iqu4IO )
1226603;1438814658;danielpbarron;heh, the locals are food in the "circle of life"
1226604;1438814714;ascii_field;http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same << obligatory
1226605;1438814715;assbot;Peripateticists, kinda, except girls not boys, bare cunt instead of toga and walking around the house not the garden, but otherwise exactly the same. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iqucbd )
1226606;1438815063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0005186 = 14.2096 BTC [-] {4} 
1226607;1438815126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102129 @ 0.00054998 = 56.1689 BTC [+] {4} 
1226608;1438815185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146871 @ 0.00055312 = 81.2373 BTC [+] {5} 
1226609;1438815612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7971 @ 0.00051829 = 4.1313 BTC [-]
1226610;1438816582;Adlai;oh look, it's shitpost o'clock: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2014#953986
1226611;1438816582;assbot;Logged on 15-12-2014 23:14:04; assbot: The MPEx Shuffle - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBYQL8 )
1226612;1438816584;Adlai;goes well with music
1226613;1438816726;mircea_popescu;jurov ie, like being in procust's bed, crushed by a giant to fit.
1226614;1438816740;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224601 << https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/asdf/asdf/activity
1226615;1438816740;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 21:50:14; ascii_field: danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.
1226616;1438816741;assbot;asdf / asdf | GitLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1UpfF7i )
1226617;1438816774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform [...] microhammer << was just an early suggestion, no one's married to it.
1226618;1438817781;mircea_popescu;to celebrate new trilema header, i give you... http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/letscallhershm.jpg
1226619;1438817782;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5Vbxr )
1226620;1438817874;shinohai;Bravissimo
1226621;1438818418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70018 @ 0.00053621 = 37.5444 BTC [+] {2} 
1226622;1438818479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22282 @ 0.00053924 = 12.0153 BTC [+]
1226623;1438818666;asciilifeform;dulap ~STILL~ wedged
1226624;1438818679;asciilifeform;'getinfo' call i made this morning ~STILL~ waiting
1226625;1438818699;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 82.130.102.211:58774
1226626;1438818699;asciilifeform;accepted connection 103.1.71.45:50543
1226627;1438818699;asciilifeform;socket closed
1226628;1438818699;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 103.1.71.45:50543
1226629;1438818699;asciilifeform;...
1226630;1438818701;asciilifeform;etc
1226631;1438818738;asciilifeform;other nodes - normal
1226632;1438818787;shinohai;I still have 0 connections on both my nodes
1226633;1438818790;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
1226634;1438818793;asciilifeform;motherfuckers
1226635;1438818809;asciilifeform;guess this means i'ma have to set up vpn between the nodez
1226636;1438818825;asciilifeform;but this is not enough, will need the hard-fuckyou-never-disconnect-from-nobles patch
1226637;1438818858;shinohai;O.o
1226638;1438818946;asciilifeform;think of it this way: zoolag and incitatus were plugged into dulap with -addnode. but this was not enough
1226639;1438818986;trinque;needs something akin to connect but with multiple, right?
1226640;1438818998;asciilifeform;-connect takes multiples
1226641;1438819011;asciilifeform;but is RETARDED in that it creates a drone node that can't be connected to by anyone.
1226642;1438819016;shinohai;I was about to say ... ive been using -connect only for weeks
1226643;1438819032;shinohai;which defeats the purpose
1226644;1438819055;asciilifeform;confirmed, neither zoolag nor incitatus is presently connected to dulap
1226645;1438819060;asciilifeform;this should not be a thing.
1226646;1438819071;asciilifeform;connect or fucking die.
1226647;1438819089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164100 @ 0.00055226 = 90.6259 BTC [+] {8} 
1226648;1438819115;asciilifeform;i was loathe to implement hardcoded noble-peer by ip, because hitler can put whatever he wants at that ip, from the perspective of my box
1226649;1438819118;asciilifeform;(mitm)
1226650;1438819150;asciilifeform;for now it'll have to be hardcoded to port on localhost, pumped through ssh tunnel to remote host, where same.
1226651;1438819170;trinque;asciilifeform: ah right
1226652;1438819175;trinque;is this just stupid behavior entirely re: connect?
1226653;1438819177;trinque;seems so
1226654;1438819185;asciilifeform;trinque: i don't have ANYTHING -connect'ed
1226655;1438819186;trinque;should be separate concerns entirely
1226656;1438819192;asciilifeform;this concerns all modes.
1226657;1438819213;trinque;I'm saying one setting for "serve blocks to others" and another for which nodes to connect to
1226658;1438819227;asciilifeform;i have a box where some sniveling fucker has been lifting payloads out of tcp, for ~9+ hours now.
1226659;1438819284;asciilifeform;trinque: setting '-peers' for nodes which 1) don't obey 'misbehave' bits 2) get served PRIORITY regardless of what
1226660;1438819316;asciilifeform;3) node is considered to be operating in red blinkenlight mode if ANY of them are not responding
1226661;1438819356;asciilifeform;call'em 'supernodez' if feeling rpietilian
1226662;1438819447;shinohai;I just commented out my addnode/connect jazz just to run for now :/
1226663;1438819449;asciilifeform;#2 in particular means that 'plebes' get DROPPED EN MASSE if that's what it takes
1226664;1438819455;asciilifeform;to service a noble.
1226665;1438819532;asciilifeform;this is good prep for the shiny phyoootooreh of hello kitty when noble nodes will sit on trunk lines and connecting to them will cost what a seat at nyse costs
1226666;1438819580;shinohai;^____________________^
1226667;1438819607;asciilifeform;laugh all you like, but i can't picture things working, long-term, any other way
1226668;1438820006;shinohai;asciilifeform: with the pogo binary from the mailing list I got 3 connections xD
1226669;1438820248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24928 @ 0.00053707 = 13.3881 BTC [-]
1226670;1438820292;shinohai;nm, they arent the connections I specified.
1226671;1438820721;BingoBoingo;!up tcrypt
1226672;1438820858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19551 @ 0.00053707 = 10.5003 BTC [-] {2} 
1226673;1438820878;BingoBoingo;It looks like MS has been outbid for Theo's love http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150804161939
1226674;1438820879;assbot;The OpenBSD Foundation Announces First Platinum Donor: CII ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN2xWq )
1226675;1438821179;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fv6jp/payed_for_coffee_payed_twice_by_mistake_merchant/   <<< kek
1226676;1438821180;assbot;Payed for coffee. Payed twice by mistake. Merchant used BitPay. Help! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN2TMR )
1226677;1438822444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90244 @ 0.00054299 = 49.0016 BTC [+] {3} 
1226678;1438822494;shinohai;Little wonder I can find any jobs4bitcoin these days: http://redd.it/3a536o
1226679;1438822495;assbot;HIRING: 3 BTC Finder fee, find a lender for me. : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN4S3H )
1226680;1438822626;punkman;shinohai, dafuq is that
1226681;1438822658;shinohai;Some idiot on jobs4bitcoin. Some days the requests baffle me.
1226682;1438822678;punkman;looks like plain laundering deal
1226683;1438822784;shinohai;My thoughts as well. I'll throw up a webserver or stuff like that on there. But those sorts of postings are a big nope for me.
1226684;1438822920;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/3fv8hj/for_hire_chinese_to_english_translation/
1226685;1438822921;assbot;[For Hire] Chinese to English Translation : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRP5PR )
1226686;1438822924;punkman;lulz4bitcoin
1226687;1438822932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23001 @ 0.00055705 = 12.8127 BTC [+]
1226688;1438822988;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/3fl4ch/hiring_secure_web_developer/ << meowmix!
1226689;1438822989;assbot;[Hiring] Secure Web Developer : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRPaTo )
1226690;1438823013;BingoBoingo;These rates https://archive.is/w7WwW
1226691;1438823014;assbot;[For Hire] Chinese to English Translation : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRPbH0 )
1226692;1438823063;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/fakeid/comments/3fpymm/meowmixids_scammed_me/
1226693;1438823064;assbot;Meowmixids scammed me : fakeid ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN5NB5 )
1226694;1438823095;mats;win10 has a package manager
1226695;1438823099;mats;huk
1226696;1438823107;BingoBoingo;Orly
1226697;1438823359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32983 @ 0.00053367 = 17.602 BTC [-] {2} 
1226698;1438823710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some nodes may be like that, but it's necessarily going to be the exception not the rule
1226699;1438823811;BingoBoingo;Oh, so /r/coontown was banned
1226700;1438823866;BingoBoingo;I think it makes sense for node operators to come to agreements to make some of their connections through SSH tunnels.
1226701;1438823969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9917 @ 0.00052836 = 5.2397 BTC [-]
1226702;1438824062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty obvious that it would be a rare thing. most folks don't have nyse seats.
1226703;1438824075;asciilifeform;dulap ~still~ in black hole.
1226704;1438824113;*;asciilifeform spent the past few hrs looking at what it'd take to craft the 'noble nodez' thing.
1226705;1438824116;mircea_popescu;so why aren;t you buying the trunk line
1226706;1438824137;asciilifeform;because i'm a pauper ?
1226707;1438824164;asciilifeform;why else.
1226708;1438824172;mircea_popescu;hm
1226709;1438824178;mircea_popescu;that didn't play out as expected.
1226710;1438824183;asciilifeform;l0l
1226711;1438824223;*;BingoBoingo thinks something like OpenBSD uses for authenticating repository keys for anonCVS could work for important node connections
1226712;1438824247;mircea_popescu;"If you can write 'if' in FORTH, then why restrict  44         yourself to the usual if/while/for/switch constructs?  You want a construct that iterates  45         over every other element in a list of numbers?  You can add it to the language."
1226713;1438824252;mircea_popescu;this strikes me as uniquely retarded
1226714;1438824262;asciilifeform;what, in particular ?
1226715;1438824263;mircea_popescu;why would i make a "construct" in the language that does i+2
1226716;1438824278;asciilifeform;say you wanna implement a bignum
1226717;1438824290;mircea_popescu;ok
1226718;1438824310;asciilifeform;walks an array of $machineword and adds'em up, munging the carry bits as needed.
1226719;1438824314;asciilifeform;just one example.
1226720;1438824343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not even the darkest voodoo. consider, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-06-2015#1169416
1226721;1438824343;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 01:37:28; asciilifeform: phun phakt: 'scheme' programming language has its 'call-with-current-continuation', perhaps the oddest and 'most generic' control structure known, which takes the current place in execution and turns it into an assignable (yes) closure (i.e. callable function!) -- typically it is implemented using setjmp().
1226722;1438824349;mircea_popescu;why would i want to do it THIS way
1226723;1438824384;asciilifeform;resistance of the medium
1226724;1438824387;mircea_popescu;sit there and debug off-by-one errors in a pile of asm ?
1226725;1438824392;asciilifeform;you wouldn't
1226726;1438824393;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with include bignum.h
1226727;1438824399;asciilifeform;BECAUSE NOT FORTH
1226728;1438824408;asciilifeform;not part of the universe.
1226729;1438824412;asciilifeform;can't be sourced at runtime
1226730;1438824414;asciilifeform;and twiddled
1226731;1438824423;mircea_popescu;so i static link
1226732;1438824425;asciilifeform;and 'debug' only happens if someone made mistake.
1226733;1438824431;asciilifeform;universe is to be perfect.
1226734;1438824432;mircea_popescu;yes. me.
1226735;1438824437;mircea_popescu;that's mostly what i make.
1226736;1438824438;mircea_popescu;mistakes.
1226737;1438824441;asciilifeform;l0l
1226738;1438824454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu please don't change profession to sapper.
1226739;1438824490;mircea_popescu;problem is sapper keeps trying to change profession into me
1226740;1438824497;*;mircea_popescu is jus' sittin' here
1226741;1438824503;asciilifeform;'you may not be interested in sapping, but sapping is interested in you'
1226742;1438824535;mircea_popescu;aha
1226743;1438824541;asciilifeform;http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExampleForthCode << for 'forth' n00bz
1226744;1438824543;assbot;Example Forth Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7rmd )
1226745;1438824547;asciilifeform;(and potential aficionados)
1226746;1438824577;asciilifeform;this, recall, is the universe on which chuck moore built not only ic, but entire tooling for his fab.
1226747;1438824590;asciilifeform;possibly the only non-winblowz/wintel-based electronics toolchain in the world.
1226748;1438824602;asciilifeform;(remaining)
1226749;1438824605;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> resistance of the medium << Is there any other reason to ever do anything?
1226750;1438824654;asciilifeform;btw if you own a 'mac' or a 'sun', you have forth.
1226751;1438824716;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/CoonTown/comments/379756 << Reddit
1226752;1438824717;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7zlK )
1226753;1438824728;asciilifeform;or possibly only on ppc macs?
1226754;1438824731;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ?
1226755;1438824773;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Probably only on PPC. PPC got a lot of cool stuff. Perhaps not across whole PPC run though. Will have to look into.
1226756;1438824807;asciilifeform;'A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves.' << l0lziez
1226757;1438824884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00053946 = 12.4615 BTC [+]
1226758;1438824899;*;BingoBoingo not sure if entirely improvement or not http://dpaste.com/30TF18Z
1226759;1438824901;assbot;dpaste: 30TF18Z ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7K0k )
1226760;1438824931;asciilifeform;l0l, medicine for corpse.
1226761;1438824992;asciilifeform;http://cubbi.com/fibonacci/forth.html << moar forth for n00bz
1226762;1438824993;assbot;cubbi.com: fibonacci numbers in Forth ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7OgO )
1226763;1438824996;asciilifeform;(basic maths)
1226764;1438825047;asciilifeform;if it seems 'hairy', it is only to folks who don't use 'rpn' calculator daily.
1226765;1438825062;BingoBoingo;Forth looks incredibly legible. More so than cpp
1226766;1438825075;asciilifeform;and worth noting that a perfectly usable forth, on which all of these examples will run, can be implemented for just about ~any~ machine in a few HUNDRED BYTES
1226767;1438825089;asciilifeform;needing not even operating system.
1226768;1438825108;asciilifeform;(so long as you have a serial port going)
1226769;1438825121;*;mircea_popescu doesn't dispute any of this. 
1226770;1438825148;mircea_popescu;but it does seem to me very much akin to a "hey, if you salt a fresh frog leg you can electrocute it into moving". cool! but instead i order my slaves to read and summarize for me!
1226771;1438825149;asciilifeform;it doesn't cure cancer, baldness, impotence, no.
1226772;1438825173;asciilifeform;this is more like 'a few minutes' incantations create a gurl from thin air'
1226773;1438825182;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1226774;1438825188;asciilifeform;she might not be grade-a beauty, but fuckable.
1226775;1438825190;mircea_popescu;this i'd like to see demonstrated.
1226776;1438825191;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1226777;1438825195;asciilifeform;ask chuck moore.
1226778;1438825197;mircea_popescu;i guess we get to the gist of it
1226779;1438825199;asciilifeform;he's in her right now.
1226780;1438825213;asciilifeform;!s greenarrays
1226781;1438825214;assbot;14 results for 'greenarrays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=greenarrays
1226782;1438825217;mircea_popescu;yes in her, but as in, he fell in ?
1226783;1438825220;*;BingoBoingo flipping through Eulora source can make no sense of what files do what. It is nothing like Bitcoin which is the only big cpp turn I am kinda familiar with.
1226784;1438825234;asciilifeform;neh, as in pumping happily
1226785;1438825251;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo chetty spent two years for a result in parts no different.
1226786;1438825291;asciilifeform;http://yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html << obligatory re: up/down of forth
1226787;1438825295;assbot;My history with Forth & stack machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7Y7N )
1226788;1438825295;asciilifeform;^ mega-classic
1226789;1438825327;mircea_popescu;"My VLSI tools take a chip from conception through testing. Perhaps 500 lines of source code. Cadence, Mentor Graphics do the same, more or less. With how much source/object code?"
1226790;1438825331;asciilifeform;(imho the definitive work on the subject)
1226791;1438825332;mircea_popescu;yeah, this part is clear to me
1226792;1438825336;mircea_popescu;but... i don't design chips!
1226793;1438825347;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I may surprise drop cg less full open Eulora client, but more likely CrystalSpace will hit version 2.2, chetty will build Eulora client against it, and Full Open Eulora client just happens
1226794;1438825362;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't think we will ever move that.
1226795;1438825363;asciilifeform;it is an example of a gnarly domain that chuck moore obliterated into something that fits in his palm.
1226796;1438825372;*;asciilifeform brb eating
1226797;1438825491;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It appears years in the future. I imagine Adlai will prolly get an emacs client first. Or I'll get a sacrificial linux machine first (sacrificial linux machine is tiered below box to colo cheap for infrastructure BTC node).
1226798;1438825529;BingoBoingo;But I am in the process of dancing with university to set up job interview, so may have fiat stream to start burning soon
1226799;1438825566;mircea_popescu;: (   41 word drop ; immediate
1226800;1438825574;mircea_popescu;i have to know the ascii value of ) to code in forth ?
1226801;1438825653;Adlai;being able to grow a beard should suffice
1226802;1438825826;scoopbot_revived;BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-july-2015-statement/
1226803;1438825895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform truth be told : do you find this interesting for any other reason than the vague whiff of a promise of perhaps allowing you toi make btc chips /
1226804;1438825959;BingoBoingo;Resistance of the medium?
1226805;1438825980;BingoBoingo;Oh BitBet got big donations!!!
1226806;1438826089;mod6;ok so was kinda thinking about something here... so we all love to hate the mailing list in a way - but it's a decent spot to post new things, experimental, SoBAs etc.  But it's not good for keeping track of patches that /actually/ are accepted and a part of a given "release".
1226807;1438826155;mod6;but what if we then, say, at the end of a testing/release cycle were to (instead of signing or as well as posting to the mailing list) post the plaintext patch and a detach signature from the originating author, myself & ben to deedbot as a perm storage for these patches?
1226808;1438826174;mod6;trinque thinks this might be able to be implemented without moving heaven and earth
1226809;1438826216;mircea_popescu;"Good Forth programmers reportedly don't use much of those. Good Forth programmers arrange things so that they flow on the stack. " this is mel redivivus innit. most pessimum!
1226810;1438826246;mircea_popescu;mod6 why'd it need anything moved at all ?
1226811;1438826297;mod6;oh, i think he was saying that he would need to implement accepting a second argument and making it so that the URL contains a hash of the original plaintext patch.
1226812;1438826318;trinque;mircea_popescu: he's considering a case where the thing would be able to accept new detached sigs for existing deeds
1226813;1438826346;*;BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks
1226814;1438826361;mod6;that way it sort of also solves the problem of keeping track of who signed which patch.  since deedbot stores these sigs in a horizontal fashion next to the address.
1226815;1438826385;mircea_popescu;promises to make a nightmare of management tho.
1226816;1438826395;mircea_popescu;how do i do "find me all people who signed this" ?
1226817;1438826411;trinque;that calls for a second screen which would group by deed and list the sigs
1226818;1438826413;mod6;i guess this thought was sort of a work in progress.
1226819;1438826428;mod6;maybe something can be added? like trinque is saying? i dunno.
1226820;1438826435;punkman;BingoBoingo: it does use nearby lines
1226821;1438826462;trinque;neat thought; I can see something useful there for contracts generally
1226822;1438826519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok. i both read this before and i broadly agree with the man.
1226823;1438826558;punkman;trinque: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2014#915286
1226824;1438826558;assbot;Logged on 09-11-2014 01:21:15; punkman: here's a thought: .sign AQLSTVsF http://paste.com/detached_sig.txt
1226825;1438826624;trinque;punkman: yup that's precisely what's being discussed
1226826;1438826683;mod6;so i guess all in all, the deedbot solution, if it can be created, seems better than my initial proposal of 2 mailing lists; one for everything, one for patches accepted only.  which seems simple as well, but now we have to manage two lists.
1226827;1438826712;mod6;on the other side of the coin, if we do something like this with deedbot, we need to ensure a mirror is always available.
1226828;1438826724;punkman;I don't see how deeding patches helps with what started this discussion
1226829;1438826756;mircea_popescu;"Bacteria have no junk in their DNA. " << very false, actually. percent-wise, the junk-in-dna is perhaps the most stable parameter of life in general
1226830;1438826778;mircea_popescu;tbh i don't either.
1226831;1438826792;mod6;well, nevermind then.
1226832;1438826836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.000527 = 33.8598 BTC [-] {2} 
1226833;1438826849;punkman;not that I'd mind patch deeds, but can basically deed patch hashes already
1226834;1438826897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00055807 = 20.9276 BTC [+] {3} 
1226835;1438826903;trinque;this grouping together of things signed can be done with deeds as they are
1226836;1438826921;mircea_popescu;moreover, it just puts you in harm's way mod6.
1226837;1438826922;trinque;just a hash of the content aside from the sig
1226838;1438826930;mircea_popescu;what, now you're oBLIGEd to sign shit so people can use it ?
1226839;1438826934;mircea_popescu;what you got, a deathwish ?
1226840;1438826968;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226803 << i happen to like forth. i bring up chuck moore as an example of 'yes we can recreate 25 years of electronics on a napkin, and it'll fucking work'
1226841;1438826968;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 01:51:35; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truth be told : do you find this interesting for any other reason than the vague whiff of a promise of perhaps allowing you toi make btc chips /
1226842;1438826978;asciilifeform;these are not entirely related, however.
1226843;1438827005;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> moreover, it just puts you in harm's way mod6. << well. not all patches, just ones that we've signed off on anyway.
1226844;1438827013;mircea_popescu;i still don't see why i'd do it, myself.
1226845;1438827017;mod6;no different than what we're already doing.
1226846;1438827018;BingoBoingo;Oh, so much qntra DDoS
1226847;1438827030;mod6;or is it? and how?
1226848;1438827053;mircea_popescu;if it's no different then why's it being discussed :)
1226849;1438827148;mod6;i just figured it was a neato way to keep the patches that we sign separate from the rest of the heap of stuff.
1226850;1438827151;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226813 << prolly the #1 common n00b observation. but you really want patches to only apply to precisely the thing they were meant for! context doesn't give you that.
1226851;1438827151;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 01:59:06; *: BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks
1226852;1438827154;trinque;one tangle is the lack of clear separation of problems in the conversation.
1226853;1438827160;mod6;but i see your point.
1226854;1438827172;trinque;you've got "who signed this patch" and also "what is the parent node patch of this patch"
1226855;1438827186;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: File hashes fix
1226856;1438827188;asciilifeform;aha
1226857;1438827198;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fixed.
1226858;1438827210;punkman;asciilifeform: but it does fuzz
1226859;1438827222;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I get a 404 nao
1226860;1438827238;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: nevermind, fixed
1226861;1438827274;trinque;I actually grow to like the wiki suggestion best for the patch tree
1226862;1438827276;BingoBoingo;And somehow 9 comment spammers made it through DDoS
1226863;1438827297;trinque;need to document process at a step? go for it, it's a damn wiki
1226864;1438827318;mircea_popescu;so wait, are we upon meditation now unaccepting the previous consensus-y spot ?
1226865;1438827330;asciilifeform;???
1226866;1438827343;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226478
1226867;1438827343;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 21:50:41; mircea_popescu: but i guess the consensus is pointing towards, ml gets restated with antecedents, trinque writes a grapher for it all ?
1226868;1438827349;*;asciilifeform really, really doesn't grasp why any of the things mentioned thus far - OTHER than the antecedent markers - are needed.
1226869;1438827369;asciilifeform;them & the grapher.
1226870;1438827384;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/#comment-37440 << chairmanmao@gov.cn
1226871;1438827414;trinque;that actually works fine for me as a separate tool, and as you say, if there's a wiki, great
1226872;1438827414;mod6;<+asciilifeform> them & the grapher. << i can live with this.
1226873;1438827421;mod6;was just derpin i guess.
1226874;1438827424;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep that sounds fine
1226875;1438827428;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo:  not Official until approved by hitler@whitehouse.gov
1226876;1438827434;BingoBoingo;lol
1226877;1438827466;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "ddos" is you know, best effort kinda deal. just because you can't get through in 5 tries doesn't mean every one of the 50k or whatever many tries also failks.
1226878;1438827503;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Given the duration seems like they succeded closer to 1 in 4 or 1 in 3
1226879;1438827677;BingoBoingo;https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4933387980_7d87a984d8_o.jpg
1226880;1438827678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4wCfU )
1226881;1438828053;trinque;BingoBoingo: fucker just got me actually
1226882;1438828067;trinque;he challenged me to a game of "lemme try an' cut you" and I lost
1226883;1438828096;BingoBoingo;I me probably not going to intentionally acquire cat until possesses farm.
1226884;1438828097;scoopbot_revived;Brief Offer Insight into USG Theory of Internet Security http://qntra.net/2015/08/brief-offer-insight-into-usg-theory-of-internet-security/
1226885;1438828120;BingoBoingo;Title fxd
1226886;1438828191;decimation;as a long time user of RPN calculators I do indeed find forth pleasing
1226887;1438828210;trinque;BingoBoingo: "As if so often" << typo
1226888;1438828245;punkman;"Next Generation Cyber Initiative (Next Gen Cyber) received USD$ 400.6 mn  in Treasury funding in 2014 alone, which was used to employ 1`333  full-time positions" << really? they couldn't have hired 4 more?
1226889;1438828254;BingoBoingo;fxd
1226890;1438828264;BingoBoingo;punkman: For Srs
1226891;1438828275;asciilifeform;n00bz
1226892;1438828279;asciilifeform;this is a standard usg racket:
1226893;1438828330;mircea_popescu;2. Next Generation Cyber Initiative (Next Gen Cyber) received USD$ 400.6 mn in Treasury funding in 2014 alone, which was used to employ 1`333 full-time positions including 756 agents.
1226894;1438828338;mircea_popescu;shoulda just paid for cyberlockerz lmao
1226895;1438828369;asciilifeform;1) 'we MUST do N xs!!111!!!' 2) congress funds 2N 3) 'we could not afford to fill N x-s!' 4) congress funds 100N 5) 'we finally filled N/2! victory will come!' 6) 'private sector partnerz' snort coke, laugh all the way to 'skull and bones' frat reunion with N/2 worth of usd in the form of diamond suitcases.
1226896;1438828401;asciilifeform;(the rest - exercise for reader)
1226897;1438828493;BingoBoingo;CIA cuts coke with talcum for private sector partners?
1226898;1438828496;asciilifeform;the joke is always on the public, because at no point was so much as N=1 needed for any conceivable purpose
1226899;1438828556;asciilifeform;not even in the sense that every street corner 'needs' a cop, or said cop 'needs' the democratizer baton on his belt
1226900;1438828651;asciilifeform;'and that Darkode intended to use Bitcoin addresses as authentication tools' << mno. someone purporting to be 'darkode' admin proclaimed that ~some idiot webwallet~ will be used !
1226901;1438828660;asciilifeform;!= 'bitcoin addresses'
1226902;1438828668;asciilifeform;multiple levels of imbecility here
1226903;1438828702;asciilifeform;did anyone ~really~ expect to hear about ACTUAL opposition, the kind with teeth, to usg, from usg-controlled media organs /
1226904;1438828703;asciilifeform;?
1226905;1438828711;asciilifeform;expect only isises.
1226906;1438828807;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski ^
1226907;1438828808;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1226908;1438828852;asciilifeform;;;calc 400600000 / 1333
1226909;1438828852;gribble;300525.131283
1226910;1438828856;asciilifeform;notbad.jpg
1226911;1438828891;asciilifeform;even if half goes to cocaine for skull&bonez
1226912;1438828951;asciilifeform;that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase'
1226913;1438828961;asciilifeform;if not 3x
1226914;1438829076;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Jaundiced Pooh update http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/i-dont-let-my-kids-watch-winnie-pooh-because-i-don-2842
1226915;1438829077;assbot;I Don’t Let My Kids Watch Winnie The Pooh Because...  | ClickHole ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4xvFk )
1226916;1438829153;asciilifeform;as for mircea_popescu's observation as quoted in qntra, i will say now what i said then:
1226917;1438829189;asciilifeform;the reason anyone (NOT skull&bones and paid $maxint for zero work) works for usg is precisely the same reason anyone works for zimbabwe or mali:
1226918;1438829195;asciilifeform;the rent gotta be paid.
1226919;1438829205;BingoBoingo;�Hey, kids, come watch the emasculated bear with the scary fingerless hands who�s never fucked a day in his life and who is obsessed with a little boy of a different species.�
1226920;1438829212;asciilifeform;and it isn't like the country has much of a real economy left, to work in, to pay it with
1226921;1438829250;trinque;"I'd much rather my kids watch the fuck machine named Big Bird." << oh my sides
1226922;1438829265;BingoBoingo;trinque: Seriously
1226923;1438829282;BingoBoingo;"He�s got that swagger. There are a lot of good lessons children can learn from a major-league pussy-crusher like Big Bird, such as the importance of confidence, courage, and friendship. "
1226924;1438829328;BingoBoingo;"Winnie the Pooh, on the other hand, wouldn�t know the first thing about courage. If he were on United Airlines Flight 93, for example, not only would he have not joined the revolt against the terrorists, but he probably would�ve gotten down on his yellow knees and sucked the terrorists� cocks one by one. �Oh, bother!� he would shrug as the al-Qaeda operatives drilled the back of his throat with their pube-slathered ding
1226925;1438829328;BingoBoingo;-dongs."
1226926;1438829338;decimation;asciilifeform: yes my relatively modest lifestyle needs 10-20 btc/month
1226927;1438829350;trinque;http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/its-our-duty-support-troops-and-second-amendment-c-1929
1226928;1438829351;assbot;It’s Our Duty To Support The Troops And The Secon...  | ClickHole ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrXbPp )
1226929;1438829351;decimation;easily double or triple in east coast
1226930;1438829352;trinque;wahahahaha
1226931;1438829356;asciilifeform;decimation: aha
1226932;1438829371;asciilifeform;and this is just bare minimum
1226933;1438829389;decimation;asciilifeform: to the first approximation, we all work for the fed
1226934;1438829390;asciilifeform;(anyone who thinks that this is 'serious money' should try, say, getting sick in usa)
1226935;1438829400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00055814 = 21.5163 BTC [+]
1226936;1438829400;asciilifeform;aha
1226937;1438829406;trinque;"...it's everyone's duty to support the troops, and also to support the Second Amendment should the day come when we need to overthrow the government and kill those troops."
1226938;1438829411;decimation;lol
1226939;1438829451;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=2 < lulz
1226940;1438829453;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrXolC )
1226941;1438829461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00055814 = 30.6419 BTC [+]
1226942;1438829464;decimation;"My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States."
1226943;1438829465;asciilifeform;trinque: the thing is quite like what mr mold called 'crocodile humour' (unfair, imho, characterization of soviet magazine 'krokodil') - 'the powerful laughing at the powerless'
1226944;1438829509;asciilifeform;or, bringing back orwell,
1226945;1438829511;asciilifeform;'B�raud used to contribute to the Fascist weekly paper Gringoire, which in its later years had become the most disgusting rag it is possible to imagine. I have seldom been so angered by anything in the press as by its cartoon when the wretched Spanish refugees streamed into France with Italian aeroplanes machine-gunning them all the way. The Spaniards were pictured as a procession of villainous-looking men, each pushing a han
1226946;1438829511;asciilifeform;d-cart piled with jewellery and bags of gold. Gringoire kept up an almost continuous outcry for the suppression of the French Communist Party, but it was equally fierce against even the mildest politicians of the Left. One can get an idea of the moral level at which it conducted political controversy from the fact that it once published a cartoon showing L�on Blum in bed with his own sister. Its advertisement columns were ful
1226947;1438829512;asciilifeform;l of ads for clairvoyants and books of pornography. This piece of rubbish was said to have a circulation of 500,000.'
1226948;1438829630;trinque;I can see the point; in fact I made a similar one about "satirical" news shows recently
1226949;1438829644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00053779 = 8.6315 BTC [-]
1226950;1438829651;trinque;still I'll have a chuckle at my own powerlessness
1226951;1438829666;decimation;yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'
1226952;1438829696;asciilifeform;'Note also how quickly Reynolds resorts to ridicule. There is a kind of pseudosatirical humor, or what would be humor if it was in any way funny, that is an unmistakable product of his time in Moscow. I call the trope "crocodile humor" after the Soviet humor magazine, Krokodil.'
1226953;1438829703;asciilifeform;( mr mold, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-read-and-enjoy-bogus-history.html )
1226954;1438829704;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: How to read and enjoy bogus history ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4xQrE )
1226955;1438829713;BingoBoingo;<decimation> yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb' << And yet us comparatively redder necks... Don't have urban hipster problems.
1226956;1438829737;decimation;yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so)
1226957;1438829738;asciilifeform;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/11/president-obama-with-little-perspective.html << the canonical post
1226958;1438829739;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: President Obama, with a little perspective ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4xWzg )
1226959;1438829750;asciilifeform;'Many UR readers have had the priceless educational privilege of growing up behind the Iron Curtain. These readers will identify Professor DeLong's tone at once: it is the tone of the Soviet humor magazine Krokodil. I will take the liberty of Anglicizing, and call it "crocodile humor." Extremely educated readers may also be familiar with the Nazi variant, as found in Der St�rmer and the like. The material is different, of cou
1226960;1438829751;asciilifeform;rse, but the tone is unmistakable. We'll hear a good deal more of it in the next four years.'
1226961;1438829768;asciilifeform;'Crocodile humor is the laughter of the powerful at the powerless. It is not intended to be funny. It is intended to intimidate. Those who laugh, as many do, are those who love to submerge themselves in a mob, feel its strength as theirs, chant and shake their spears as one.'
1226962;1438829799;decimation;a very stark example recently is the outrage/mockery over that lion safari guy
1226963;1438829803;trinque;btw, trilema is down
1226964;1438829853;trinque;asciilifeform: I laugh at the gallows, not at any mob power
1226965;1438829858;trinque;but it's a point well made
1226966;1438829903;asciilifeform;http://loper-os.org/pub/Krokodil_1985_13.djvu << uploaded for this thread. i will let readers decide if mr mold was fair about krokodil
1226967;1438829909;decimation;"A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead."
1226968;1438829911;asciilifeform;perhaps he was - and had read this exact issue
1226969;1438829916;decimation;"When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm."
1226970;1438829920;asciilifeform;(not necessary, strictly, to speak ru, to appreciate)
1226971;1438830016;decimation;asciilifeform: why with the 'against the nazis'?  not exactly a difficult sell
1226972;1438830051;asciilifeform;'remember, paul, 1940?' 'sure! we were in france! took everything that fit in our hands!' 'ah, i still had hands then!' 'and remember when we ran from stalingrad?' 'ah, i still had legs then!'
1226973;1438830110;trinque;lol
1226974;1438830156;trinque;it is interesting to see that defeating the nazis was such a point of pride even in 85
1226975;1438830167;asciilifeform;is now still.
1226976;1438830170;trinque;pic of the guy wrenching open the swastika jail cell window
1226977;1438830171;asciilifeform;will be in 2050.
1226978;1438830172;trinque;for example
1226979;1438830176;decimation;this reminds me of that 'anti-nazi' article I found in the frankfurter zeitung
1226980;1438830215;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025516 "nothing feels as good as fighting rightists
1226981;1438830215;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 03:02:21; decimation: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kampf-gegen-rechts-ein-volk-von-antifaschisten-13429214.html  < "Nichts tut so gut wie das Gefühl, gegen Rechts zu kämpfen."
1226982;1438830218;mircea_popescu;" As such, 5 of the 56 field offices operated by the FBI currently lack a computer scientist assigned to that office's Cyber Task Force."
1226983;1438830219;asciilifeform;trinque: the article on that page concerns a sapper
1226984;1438830220;mircea_popescu;ok, i lolled.
1226985;1438830228;mircea_popescu;wtf is it they do again ?
1226986;1438830254;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226912
1226987;1438830254;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 02:42:31; asciilifeform: that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase'
1226988;1438830298;BingoBoingo;<decimation> yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so) << Not just lack of giving a fuck, lack of need to give a fuck
1226989;1438830371;decimation;BingoBoingo: it's kinda like how the zimbabwaen tribes are now gonna have stories about why white people root for the lions that eat them
1226990;1438830376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91300 @ 0.0005582 = 50.9637 BTC [+] {3} 
1226991;1438830397;BingoBoingo;decimation: Any decent Rhodesian tribe is going to kill the lion
1226992;1438830412;trinque;asciilifeform: is this one on page 13 with the american flag on a cloud about "yankees think they can own everything" or something?
1226993;1438830417;BingoBoingo;Just they unlike the Dentist will use an AK instead of a bow.
1226994;1438830456;asciilifeform;trinque: caption: 'pardon me, my dear, but you are in a strategically-important area!'
1226995;1438830460;decimation;BingoBoingo: sure, but the problem remains: why are distant strangers on the lion's side?
1226996;1438830468;trinque;asciilifeform: hah, cool
1226997;1438830474;asciilifeform;decimation: because 'cute kitteh'
1226998;1438830491;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1226999;1438830492;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/165ZBT6.txt )
1227000;1438830531;BingoBoingo;decimation: My guess is they melt for giant kitteh forgetting they killed all of their giant fittehs
1227001;1438830535;BingoBoingo;*kittehs
1227002;1438830539;decimation;I suggest anyone who is against lion-hunting: go help guard the lions (without weapons) in their territory.  when the lion eats your leg as you sleep, you will know he is doing it with appreciation
1227003;1438830620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @ 0.00052451 = 35.2733 BTC [-] {9} 
1227004;1438830638;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226951 << very valid point. where's the actual satire ?
1227005;1438830638;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 02:54:26; decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'
1227006;1438830648;asciilifeform;see thread.
1227007;1438830663;mircea_popescu;the malnourished, inept population of the coast towns is so fucking ridiculous it'd be rather easy.
1227008;1438830733;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141372 < ascii perhaps they secretly fantasize about being wounded/killed by the very lions they wish to 'save'
1227009;1438830733;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 04:09:48; asciilifeform: where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc
1227010;1438830740;BingoBoingo;http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/groom-sues-bride-for-not-looking-pretty-without-make-up-2015-08-03-1.598962
1227011;1438830741;assbot;Groom sues bride for not looking pretty without make-up - Emirates 24|7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4yAgk )
1227012;1438830759;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema cancerous fags
1227013;1438830760;gribble;Trilterviuri on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilterviuri/>; July 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/07>; Ken Park on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/ken-park>
1227014;1438830766;mircea_popescu;dude google's useless.
1227015;1438830769;asciilifeform;decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing
1227016;1438830795;asciilifeform;as pictured in mircea_popescu's old article
1227017;1438830800;asciilifeform;(linked earlier today)
1227018;1438830853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/05/first-ever-latin-america-bitcoin-conference-held-in-buenos-aires
1227019;1438830855;assbot;First-Ever Latin America Bitcoin Conference Held in Buenos Aires - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4yF3D )
1227020;1438830872;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing << Last time I went to St Louis zoo they had balding malnourished lions. Surprised local bangers didn't take them as bait for training their pitbulls.
1227021;1438830880;mircea_popescu;lmao
1227022;1438830905;mircea_popescu;first time i hear about this. consequently, i shan't be going.
1227023;1438830912;mircea_popescu;imagine, the retards.
1227024;1438830923;asciilifeform;remember, FIRST!
1227025;1438830928;asciilifeform;EVER!
1227026;1438830929;asciilifeform;l0l
1227027;1438830937;decimation;I was reading another article somewhere - thier point was that if trophy-hunting whites stop coming to hunt lions because of this bullshit, they are not going to keep the wildlife reserves
1227028;1438830945;mircea_popescu;now you know what it feels like to be a cool kid, asciilifeform >D
1227029;1438830956;decimation;thus, farms encroach, tribes kill lion - result: no more lions
1227030;1438830995;asciilifeform;decimation: same place tiger went
1227031;1438831016;asciilifeform;(the animal survives largely in... chinese farms. where their cock meat is harvested, no shit.)
1227032;1438831017;mircea_popescu;"Then the 18 bits of the GA144. Don't be impressed. It is a stupid design error. At the time 18 bits static memory chips where in fashion." << i happen top buy this btw.
1227033;1438831029;mircea_popescu;i was unimpressed reading about it originally, and i stay unimpressed.
1227034;1438831038;asciilifeform;wai wut
1227035;1438831081;asciilifeform;the two extra bitz are for parity, wat
1227036;1438831091;asciilifeform;1 per bt
1227037;1438831100;asciilifeform;byte
1227038;1438831110;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1227039;1438831128;decimation;"The only reason I did it was THAT COLORFORTH JUST DIDN'T RUN ON THE THREE MACHINES I HAD AVAILABLE." < my experience too
1227040;1438831131;mircea_popescu;and ALSO, i buy the theory that the principal reason chuck moore is mentioned by name is a successful eight digit settlement iwth intel
1227041;1438831138;mircea_popescu;rather than some sort of technical accomplishment per se.
1227042;1438831162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: love him or hate, his toolchain is winblows and x86 - free, from the ore to the register.
1227043;1438831169;asciilifeform;and otherpeoplescode-free
1227044;1438831176;asciilifeform;which to me is alpha and omega.
1227045;1438831182;mircea_popescu;i don't either, really.
1227046;1438831211;asciilifeform;everything in mircea_popescu's room that is eating mains current was CADed under winblowz
1227047;1438831219;decimation;asciilifeform: I thought 'colorforth' was written for winblows
1227048;1438831219;mircea_popescu;but you know, just because you like a girl's tits is no cause to think she's got the worlds best hairdo.
1227049;1438831220;asciilifeform;100 dollars to doughnuts
1227050;1438831240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you lose, i got your own damned rng chips here.
1227051;1438831241;asciilifeform;decimation: afaik is descendant of original (nameless?) that is contemporary with cp/m
1227052;1438831260;BingoBoingo;!b 7
1227053;1438831260;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/37BKHFK.txt )
1227054;1438831263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: golden turd runs winblowz
1227055;1438831270;mircea_popescu;cad-ed you sed.
1227056;1438831273;decimation;yeah I guess it runs on 'bare pentium' too
1227057;1438831275;asciilifeform;and, though i do not, the folks who built my machines - did
1227058;1438831280;mircea_popescu;so ?
1227059;1438831285;asciilifeform;so unclean.
1227060;1438831290;mircea_popescu;not the contention.
1227061;1438831297;mircea_popescu;i made 100 bucks today! BETTING!
1227062;1438831317;asciilifeform;also gotta point out that the $redacted analogue ic on the rng was prolly baked in a cn fab
1227063;1438831320;asciilifeform;running guess what.
1227064;1438831352;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i made 100 bucks today! BETTING! On what?
1227065;1438831352;asciilifeform;not saying that this brings in the breath of satan, but in point of fact moore achieved escape from this orbit
1227066;1438831356;decimation;heh apparently chuck moore made a mint suing intel over patent stuff
1227067;1438831357;asciilifeform;by ~himself~
1227068;1438831367;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, and used the money to buy atomic dirigible
1227069;1438831369;asciilifeform;(i.e. fab)
1227070;1438831379;decimation;sure, but doesn't seem to be getting much traction
1227071;1438831382;asciilifeform;precisely what i would do in his position
1227072;1438831392;mircea_popescu;not really realised much of the settlement, from what i gather, but nevertheless, people love to dream.
1227073;1438831396;asciilifeform;decimation: he doesn't give a damn about traction. he built that thing for archaeologists.
1227074;1438831404;asciilifeform;same as i would.
1227075;1438831413;asciilifeform;(i would build different device, yes. but same basic idea)
1227076;1438831421;decimation;yes and in this he appears to have succeeded
1227077;1438831424;asciilifeform;fits-in-fucking-head.
1227078;1438831473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers
1227079;1438831479;asciilifeform;(lawyers)
1227080;1438831486;mircea_popescu;right
1227081;1438831508;asciilifeform;what remained was - apparently - enough to bake some si
1227082;1438831521;decimation;asciilifeform: one wonders what could be done with an 'intel-class' (14 nm) chip which contains 2^20 little 'stack machines'
1227083;1438831523;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers << This is why if misdemeanor if not dismissed at hearing I intend to fire lawyer.
1227084;1438831524;asciilifeform;though i will add that moore operated for decades as a successful consultant, a la the pdp emulator fella
1227085;1438831540;asciilifeform;plenty of heavy industrial (as in water-in-the-tap, not google et al whores) customers
1227086;1438831578;asciilifeform;decimation: imho this is not the correct application for forth, and moore went profoundly wrong in going that way
1227087;1438831585;asciilifeform;it is for ~simplicity~
1227088;1438831587;asciilifeform;like kalash
1227089;1438831596;asciilifeform;picture 'what could be done' with a kalash with 2^20 barrels, aha.
1227090;1438831604;asciilifeform;defeats the purpose of self existing.
1227091;1438831609;decimation;there does appear to be some problems with his toolchain with 'scaling' to that many cores
1227092;1438831620;asciilifeform;why?
1227093;1438831631;decimation;there's mention of having to write some code 'single threaded' instead of using all the cores on the chip
1227094;1438831636;decimation;for simplicity
1227095;1438831641;asciilifeform;hm
1227096;1438831643;asciilifeform;ask him, not me
1227097;1438831648;*;asciilifeform not aficionado of 'greenarrays'
1227098;1438831657;decimation;I'm merely reinforcing your point
1227099;1438831683;mircea_popescu;"But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
1227100;1438831686;asciilifeform;but if anyone presently alive could fab a muller gate fpga, it is probably moore.
1227101;1438831694;mircea_popescu;i'd be veri curious to see a forth implementation of eulora client.
1227102;1438831715;mircea_popescu;what's his "i'm game" mean ?
1227103;1438831723;mircea_popescu;(granted, an 80 yo man, i'm not serving a challenge - merely wondering)
1227104;1438831740;asciilifeform;bad example
1227105;1438831751;asciilifeform;has to interface with megatonnes of c-machine os crud
1227106;1438831767;decimation;asciilifeform: I wish he would have made a slightly-more function version of this thing http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html
1227107;1438831769;assbot;The J1 Forth CPU — excamera ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4zb1F )
1227108;1438831769;asciilifeform;(not that one cannot do this, per se, in a forth of some description. but most of the bulk would consist of glue)
1227109;1438831774;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, ditto
1227110;1438831780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for all i care he can make it work on a forth machine
1227111;1438831790;mircea_popescu;i thought this forth thing works "on its own os" ?
1227112;1438831795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he doesn't make gpu
1227113;1438831795;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1227114;1438831803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would take text based.
1227115;1438831817;asciilifeform;what means 'text based' for a game with 3d figures ?
1227116;1438831825;mircea_popescu;anything he wishes.
1227117;1438831825;asciilifeform;a la the 'ascii starwars' ?
1227118;1438831831;mircea_popescu;as long as the point is conveyed, it is conveyed.
1227119;1438831836;mircea_popescu;i thought this is what forth is all about ?
1227120;1438831841;mircea_popescu;"give me the specs" the man says. i have.
1227121;1438831848;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/details/msdos_ASCII_DOOM_1999
1227122;1438831849;assbot;ASCII DOOM : Free Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4zcCK )
1227123;1438831852;asciilifeform;^ obligatory
1227124;1438831865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for all i care he can put it in narrative form on the fly.
1227125;1438831883;mircea_popescu;i would pay to see this. perhaps not "enough". but still.
1227126;1438831934;asciilifeform;i would pay to see eiffel tower made of dead gavins.
1227127;1438831938;asciilifeform;perhaps 'not enough' though
1227128;1438831941;mircea_popescu;looky.
1227129;1438831947;mircea_popescu;at some point the hot talk has to be backed.
1227130;1438831958;mircea_popescu;man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine.
1227131;1438831962;asciilifeform;moore incidentally isn't much of a talker
1227132;1438831963;mircea_popescu;here's the challenge, here's the freeform.
1227133;1438831966;asciilifeform;he... does.
1227134;1438831975;mircea_popescu;i was using direct quotes.
1227135;1438831980;decimation;"you find yourself in a maze of twist passages, all the same"
1227136;1438832003;asciilifeform;his factory runs, churns out his iron, designed on his iron, runs his soft, that he wrote.
1227137;1438832012;asciilifeform;ask him if he has regrets as he dies, or not.
1227138;1438832016;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine. << 1830's were worst decade in US for this reason. Mississippi River sandbars used to be ideal for this purpose. Then state lines drawn in water.
1227139;1438832017;mircea_popescu;if this forth thing is so great, a program to interact with eulora server and convey the results to a human should be make-able.
1227140;1438832037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1227141;1438832041;mircea_popescu;if it isn't, something's fundamentally broken in the entire "forth anything" claims.
1227142;1438832043;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good exercise for someone who isn't me
1227143;1438832046;decimation;sure, it could be done
1227144;1438832054;mircea_popescu;and yes, i would ghuess the whole pile as it stands atm is just about 1mn loc
1227145;1438832057;*;asciilifeform feels distinct sense of being led into perdition
1227146;1438832064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not you in any case.
1227147;1438832067;asciilifeform;plz not me
1227148;1438832070;asciilifeform;but studentz!
1227149;1438832070;mircea_popescu;deffo.
1227150;1438832071;decimation;right now the only folks who 'can do' have 1 mn loc C++ shit driving a massive complex custom chip
1227151;1438832073;mircea_popescu;anyone but you.
1227152;1438832073;n6;The bot is giving me a otp for a subkey 3594E367, that I can't decrypt but its telling me Key 05D01131 is what its sending me im at a loss for how to fix this can anyone help?
1227153;1438832074;asciilifeform;wake up students.
1227154;1438832096;mircea_popescu;!gettrust n6
1227155;1438832099;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/
1227156;1438832127;mircea_popescu;is your key08D9FFEA07653167CF49191B977815A105D01131 ?
1227157;1438832128;BingoBoingo;https://41.media.tumblr.com/6b4da6eebc5ba255323dd7618c83b902/tumblr_nskrtmg5JC1sre2w4o1_540.jpg
1227158;1438832129;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOt30H )
1227159;1438832140;n6;yes.
1227160;1438832148;mircea_popescu;do a ! command
1227161;1438832156;mircea_popescu;like !rate mircea_popescu 1 or something
1227162;1438832162;mircea_popescu;so we see what it tells you
1227163;1438832170;n6;!rate mircea_popescu 1 nice blog
1227164;1438832170;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7994cda8f311fc95
1227165;1438832214;mircea_popescu;gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 3594E367
1227166;1438832217;mircea_popescu;weird.
1227167;1438832221;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla any idea ?
1227168;1438832235;n6;Would revoking the key fix this?
1227169;1438832239;BingoBoingo;No
1227170;1438832245;mircea_popescu;no, don't do that.
1227171;1438832259;n6;But its a subkey of the 05D01131
1227172;1438832298;mircea_popescu;uh
1227173;1438832304;BingoBoingo;Seriously needs to go to ButtFuckyag mines https://41.media.tumblr.com/6b4da6eebc5ba255323dd7618c83b902/tumblr_nskrtmg5JC1sre2w4o1_540.jpg
1227174;1438832304;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOt30H )
1227175;1438832305;mircea_popescu;so then why can't you decrypot wioth it ?
1227176;1438832332;n6;I'm not sure says no prviate key, but I thought this was an encrypt only key? at a loss
1227177;1438832350;asciilifeform;encrypt-only key?!!!
1227178;1438832356;asciilifeform;aka 'someone else's pubkey' ?
1227179;1438832397;mircea_popescu;wtf is an encrypt only key
1227180;1438832401;mircea_popescu;you mean sign only ?
1227181;1438832408;n6;yes.
1227182;1438832411;n6;I have the private key for the main ID 05D01131 but not 3594E367
1227183;1438832437;mircea_popescu;how did you end up with a pubkey-only key ?!
1227184;1438832450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00053096 = 21.2119 BTC [+] {3} 
1227185;1438832454;mircea_popescu;and whyt do you imagien you can revoke a key if you don't have its privkey
1227186;1438832481;n6;I'm not sure.
1227187;1438832502;asciilifeform;calling mr babbage!
1227188;1438832512;decimation;lulz
1227189;1438832524;asciilifeform;'...I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
1227190;1438832565;mircea_popescu;n6 so do you know how it ended up there then ?
1227191;1438832594;n6;No.
1227192;1438832633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4738 @ 0.0005438 = 2.5765 BTC [+]
1227193;1438832640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose one day sks servers list a random key for you too ?
1227194;1438832656;BingoBoingo;Fuck I am not drunk enough for this shit.
1227195;1438832692;mircea_popescu;anyway i think assbot should always use the main not some random subkey
1227196;1438832717;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i entirely expect they will
1227197;1438832724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and you, and you
1227198;1438832726;mircea_popescu;well so then.
1227199;1438832735;n6;Where do I go from here?
1227200;1438832750;mircea_popescu;n6 gotta wait for kako to come on and see wtf.
1227201;1438832755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00053158 = 23.7616 BTC [-] {6} 
1227202;1438832760;mircea_popescu;but needless to say this is not a normal state for your key.
1227203;1438832794;BingoBoingo;Can't even pretend to ISIS http://www.wsmv.com/story/29717483/active-shooter-reported-at-antioch-theater
1227204;1438832794;assbot;Police: Suspect reported dead at Nashville area theater - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOtOqA )
1227205;1438832819;trinque;airsoft gun lol
1227206;1438832825;trinque;"you'll shoot your eye out!"
1227207;1438832853;decimation;how is it possible for someone else to add a subkey? isn't it signed by the main key?
1227208;1438832917;n6;Should have been more careful with my keys this seems like user error on my end rather then somehting wrong with the bot. Why can't I just revoke the subkey with the sec key from the main key?
1227209;1438832952;decimation;because the sks server will keep your revoked key forever
1227210;1438832963;decimation;I'm not sure which one assbot will pick to auth
1227211;1438833005;asciilifeform;'The Global Mall, which is located next to the theater, was placed on lock down during the active shooter situation. The Ford Ice Center was also placed on lock down and remained closed for the rest of the day.'
1227212;1438833015;asciilifeform;^ 'lockdown' is originally an american prison term
1227213;1438833033;asciilifeform;and means precisely same thing
1227214;1438833033;decimation;heh yeah that's a good point
1227215;1438833048;decimation;the media often uses phrases like that
1227216;1438833055;asciilifeform;not a mediatron phrase
1227217;1438833058;decimation;wtf does it mean to have a mall on 'lockdown'?
1227218;1438833066;decimation;like, don't leave so you can be shot too?
1227219;1438833067;asciilifeform;actually used in Official communications
1227220;1438833071;asciilifeform;aha, precisely
1227221;1438833073;trinque;probably shutting all the gates for the stores
1227222;1438833074;asciilifeform;nobody in, nobody out.
1227223;1438833079;asciilifeform;~nobody out~
1227224;1438833103;asciilifeform;btw this is also done when a lizard (or lizard fellator) is passing through town
1227225;1438833104;trinque;we had "lockdown" in my shitty Florida middle school
1227226;1438833107;asciilifeform;e.g., restaurants in dc
1227227;1438833114;trinque;for brawls, weapon situations, etc
1227228;1438833123;asciilifeform;won't let patrons in ~or out~ when bushamamobile
1227229;1438833129;asciilifeform;or when cheney/biden is eating
1227230;1438833133;asciilifeform;across the street
1227231;1438833146;trinque;as a child with books in his home I remember being quite surprised that this was a thing
1227232;1438833160;asciilifeform;which this
1227233;1438833180;trinque;being bussed to a school full of black kids eating each other, more or less
1227234;1438833183;asciilifeform;ah
1227235;1438833189;asciilifeform;been in one too
1227236;1438833192;decimation;as a kid in the early 90's I don't remember this being a thing
1227237;1438833197;decimation;lockdowns
1227238;1438833202;asciilifeform;no lockdowns though
1227239;1438833204;trinque;depends on the gang situation in your town
1227240;1438833212;asciilifeform;these were introduced after the columbine incident
1227241;1438833231;trinque;orcs at this school were fully grown in terms of their fucking, fighting and stealing capacity
1227242;1438833233;asciilifeform;i did attend a school which as a result of the latter forbade... backpacks.
1227243;1438833243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00055892 = 20.68 BTC [+]
1227244;1438833320;asciilifeform;http://www.wsmv.com/story/29714858/backfire-or-gunfire-authorities-continue-to-piece-together-investigation << linked from same birdcage liner as earlier
1227245;1438833321;assbot;Backfire or Gunfire? Authorities continue to piece together inve - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOuBrJ )
1227246;1438833323;asciilifeform;likewise lulzy
1227247;1438833345;asciilifeform;'The investigation is ongoing and there is no confirmation as to whether the incident involved was a shooting at all.'
1227248;1438833351;asciilifeform;^^^ ! ^^^
1227249;1438833353;decimation;actually why should it be surprising in schools?  same wards of the state as the gulag
1227250;1438833384;asciilifeform;it isn't surprising. school and prison similarity is a painfully well-documented thing.
1227251;1438833392;asciilifeform;(see john gatto etc.)
1227252;1438833467;trinque;asciilifeform: the highschool in my hometown was designed by a prison architect
1227253;1438833477;trinque;(I went to another due to a magnet program)
1227254;1438833486;trinque;but the thing was intended to have "no corners to hide in"
1227255;1438833495;asciilifeform;sop
1227256;1438833548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54783 @ 0.00055892 = 30.6193 BTC [+]
1227257;1438833570;trinque;at any rate, I never suffered under the delusion that the folks around me were any measure of sane
1227258;1438833576;*;trinque bbl
1227259;1438833675;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja know that apple made antigravity device !!??!! >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Weight-Saving-Device-for-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-Used-/361350765848?hash=item54222f1d18 <<
1227260;1438833677;assbot;Apple Weight Saving Device for PowerBook G3 "Lombard" Used | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvaBC )
1227261;1438833700;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I had no idea
1227262;1438833706;asciilifeform;http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQwMFgxMzM0/z/JzIAAOSwfcVUE2~c/$_57.JPG
1227263;1438833708;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvccP )
1227264;1438833725;asciilifeform;why was this discontinued ?!
1227265;1438833727;asciilifeform;i want ten!
1227266;1438833878;decimation;lolz.  I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe?
1227267;1438833884;asciilifeform;prolly
1227268;1438833888;asciilifeform;but great name!
1227269;1438833931;decimation;asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$
1227270;1438833937;asciilifeform;sure
1227271;1438833947;asciilifeform;but it can't be shipped.
1227272;1438833957;asciilifeform;so can only be sold if somebody wants to come for it.
1227273;1438833984;asciilifeform;(or, with reasonable premium, i would deliver)
1227274;1438834004;asciilifeform;can't even guarantee that it'd survive a car ride
1227275;1438834019;asciilifeform;(i did have to reseat the boards when took it home)
1227276;1438834052;asciilifeform;if shipped, thing would have to be transported like a ming vase
1227277;1438834059;asciilifeform;can't imagine anyone wants to pay for this.
1227278;1438834064;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone
1227279;1438834095;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts
1227280;1438834096;mircea_popescu;i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things
1227281;1438834097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41652 @ 0.00051752 = 21.5557 BTC [-] {2} 
1227282;1438834100;mircea_popescu;and im pretty sure i'd just ignore it
1227283;1438834108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a usaschwitz term
1227284;1438834112;decimation;yeah me too.  not gonna do what mall cop wants
1227285;1438834120;mircea_popescu;good for 'em, but whatevs.
1227286;1438834136;mircea_popescu;i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports
1227287;1438834139;mircea_popescu;FREEZE!!11
1227288;1438834140;mircea_popescu;hurr
1227289;1438834152;mircea_popescu;mentally stunded population already.
1227290;1438834164;asciilifeform;also make sure to ignore grizzly bears in alaska
1227291;1438834182;asciilifeform;and alligators in florida
1227292;1438834236;asciilifeform;(when they shoot a white fella it's generally 5th-10th page newz, as linked earlier)
1227293;1438834259;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to come with a regiment.
1227294;1438834265;asciilifeform;now we're talkin'.
1227295;1438834282;asciilifeform;personally i wouldn't waste so much as one private on the place. glass it.
1227296;1438834298;asciilifeform;then glass over the surviving cockroaches.
1227297;1438834300;decimation;I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet
1227298;1438834308;mircea_popescu;so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.
1227299;1438834321;decimation;apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks
1227300;1438834359;asciilifeform;decimation: idk, i bought a 100 usd piece of paper and was 'processed' by a vending machine that printed 'get out of customs now' pass.
1227301;1438834370;asciilifeform;no vip jet or anything
1227302;1438834388;BingoBoingo;Typical USian lockdown trigger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-1ZLpDISLQ
1227303;1438834390;assbot;Lil Debbie - LET'S GET HIGH - Official Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AJsh )
1227304;1438834423;asciilifeform;out of flying cattle car and to the street in ~10 min.
1227305;1438834465;asciilifeform;!up n6
1227306;1438834467;*;BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread
1227307;1438834467;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1227308;1438834505;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points
1227309;1438834519;asciilifeform;decimation: only for paying folks
1227310;1438834532;decimation;oh you did the 'global entry' thing?
1227311;1438834538;asciilifeform;preeeeemium no-raep lanez
1227312;1438834539;asciilifeform;aha
1227313;1438834554;decimation;heh yeah.  I would consider it if I were to travel abroad
1227314;1438834562;asciilifeform;worth every penny
1227315;1438834574;decimation;supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too
1227316;1438834577;asciilifeform;even if you go only once
1227317;1438834640;gernika;+1 Global Entry
1227318;1438834660;BingoBoingo;Why not just RAEP back?
1227319;1438834668;gernika;Good stuff.  Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't.
1227320;1438834677;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bring regiment, raep, raep.
1227321;1438834682;*;BingoBoingo has never touched a haram aeroplane
1227322;1438834683;decimation;australia is famously nazi at their border
1227323;1438834707;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough?
1227324;1438834733;asciilifeform;company with 'sadm' might, sure.
1227325;1438834736;asciilifeform;dispersed.
1227326;1438834813;*;BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions"
1227327;1438834817;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20140302041146/http://www.stripes.com/news/us/when-elite-us-forces-strapped-nukes-to-their-backs-1.266168 << them
1227328;1438834820;assbot;When elite US forces strapped nukes to their backs - U.S.  - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AXjk )
1227329;1438834890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24120 @ 0.00055892 = 13.4812 BTC [+] {2} 
1227330;1438834899;BingoBoingo;Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles"
1227331;1438834974;BingoBoingo;!up Michail1
1227332;1438834995;Michail1;?
1227333;1438835022;decimation;what brings you here?
1227334;1438835031;asciilifeform;'The Army's countermobility field manual taught soldiers to use ADMs for "stream cratering," in which atomic explosions near small waterways would "form a temporary dam, create a lake, cause overbank flooding, and produce an effective water obstacle" for enemy forces.'
1227335;1438835061;decimation;not a bad idea
1227336;1438835062;BingoBoingo;Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored.
1227337;1438835071;Michail1;ah
1227338;1438835085;mircea_popescu;sounds retarded really.
1227339;1438835090;Michail1;Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though.
1227340;1438835092;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But who wears the pack?
1227341;1438835096;mircea_popescu;what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes
1227342;1438835138;decimation;mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?
1227343;1438835157;mircea_popescu;heh.
1227344;1438835165;mircea_popescu;the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.
1227345;1438835186;asciilifeform;'But when Green Light team member Ken Richter began interviewing potential candidates, he said, not everyone was as enthusiastic: "I had a lot of people that I interviewed for our team. Once they found out what the mission was, they said, 'No, thanks. I'd rather go back to Vietnam.' "'
1227346;1438835202;decimation;it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go
1227347;1438835217;decimation;but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario
1227348;1438835225;BingoBoingo;decimation: Few nukes are that big
1227349;1438835254;mircea_popescu;decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units
1227350;1438835265;mircea_popescu;without food or any possibility of being supported.
1227351;1438835273;asciilifeform;'In addition, the two-man rule, which to this day dictates that no individual service member have the ability to arm a nuclear weapon, demanded that Green Light teams divide the code that unlocked the cover plate. But that could present a challenge if the wrong man got killed en route to the target. "Here you were with this hunk of sh-- in your bag and no good place to go," Flavin said. "So we said, 'Eh, I don't think we can a
1227352;1438835273;asciilifeform;llow that to happen,'" and his men agreed to share the code in the event of a real mission.' << l0lz
1227353;1438835301;BingoBoingo;Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world
1227354;1438835313;decimation;mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory
1227355;1438835329;decimation;by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home
1227356;1438835329;mircea_popescu;decimation even worse holy shit.
1227357;1438835348;mircea_popescu;imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad
1227358;1438835355;mircea_popescu;someone dropped a bunch of nukes around
1227359;1438835383;asciilifeform;not certain the place would have looked much different..
1227360;1438835398;mircea_popescu;and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.
1227361;1438835398;decimation;sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat
1227362;1438835409;mircea_popescu;if you've never retreated, maybe.
1227363;1438835440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the one thing these are definitely known to have been used for is burial (connected to phone lines, yes!) at useful places in west germany: dams, power stations, factories
1227364;1438835442;decimation;not every army turns into random mob
1227365;1438835453;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".
1227366;1438835456;mircea_popescu;this was never deployed
1227367;1438835463;mircea_popescu;i guess they're not all idiots up at staff office.
1227368;1438835466;decimation;because too pussy
1227369;1438835473;mircea_popescu;mno.
1227370;1438835475;asciilifeform;the live chickens (yes) variant, not deployed
1227371;1438835480;asciilifeform;the solid state - deployed
1227372;1438835494;mircea_popescu;demolition ?
1227373;1438835499;asciilifeform;unless rezun lovingly fabricated the very elaborate description of the thing in his autobio
1227374;1438835518;asciilifeform;(described su intel knowing precisely where they were)
1227375;1438835523;asciilifeform;demolition.
1227376;1438835529;mircea_popescu;aha. diff story.
1227377;1438835535;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs
1227378;1438835544;asciilifeform;like the bridges, all over europe, with trotyl in the pylons permanently
1227379;1438835550;asciilifeform;to this day.
1227380;1438835583;mircea_popescu;notably, these aren't carried by a grunt.
1227381;1438835587;asciilifeform;aha
1227382;1438835592;decimation;no, specially trained volunteers
1227383;1438835592;asciilifeform;the manhole nukes weren't either
1227384;1438835597;asciilifeform;but same part #.
1227385;1438835606;asciilifeform;(quite a few were made)
1227386;1438835639;asciilifeform;having live men carry these things about was a fashion on both sides of the ocean
1227387;1438835666;mircea_popescu;because movies.
1227388;1438835670;asciilifeform;(for all i know, still is)
1227389;1438835753;asciilifeform;'Probably to make the weapon resistant to electromagnetic pulses from any nearby nuclear explosions, as one might expect at the outset of war with the Soviets, the AEC had fashioned the SADM largely devoid of electronics. Instead, the device relied on two mechanical timers that, unfortunately, became less accurate the longer they were set for, potentially going off as early as eight minutes ahead of schedule or as many as 13 b
1227390;1438835753;asciilifeform;ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.'
1227391;1438835756;asciilifeform;^ pure gold
1227392;1438835771;decimation;lol
1227393;1438835773;asciilifeform;did americans never invent 'chemical pencil' ??!!!
1227394;1438835783;asciilifeform;sop in all civilized nations in 1930s, i thought
1227395;1438835788;decimation;I thought the british gave that to tom cruise
1227396;1438835813;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid?
1227397;1438835819;asciilifeform;what shelf life.
1227398;1438835825;asciilifeform;acid in glass lives forever
1227399;1438835830;decimation;I guess it is in a sealed bottle
1227400;1438835832;mircea_popescu;not so.
1227401;1438835834;asciilifeform;ampoule.
1227402;1438835860;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring
1227403;1438835883;asciilifeform;sounds like my washing machine.
1227404;1438835896;asciilifeform;wouldn't be surprised if it is the same part.
1227405;1438835940;BingoBoingo;It prolly is. Laudered from "Boing" by GE
1227406;1438835950;asciilifeform;vice versa
1227407;1438835992;BingoBoingo;Nah
1227408;1438836014;asciilifeform;'"There were real issues with the operational wisdom of the program, and those who were to conduct the mission were sure that whomever thought this up was using bad hemp."'
1227409;1438836015;BingoBoingo;If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag
1227410;1438836066;n6;How can I get the requirments for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 installed on gentoo?
1227411;1438836066;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
1227412;1438836074;BingoBoingo;"The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"
1227413;1438836115;asciilifeform;n6: 'emerge'
1227414;1438836194;decimation;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-undead-sopa-is-hiding-inside-an-extremely-boring-case-about-invisible-braces < "Bizarrely, no physical goods came over the US border in this case. Rather, the digital file was transported over the internet. Last year, the ITC determined that it had the legal authority, under a tariff law from 1930, to stop the transmission of infringing digital files. "
1227415;1438836195;assbot;An Undead SOPA Is Hiding Inside an Extremely Boring Case About Invisible Braces | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BJfX )
1227416;1438836205;decimation;"The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "
1227417;1438836244;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ?
1227418;1438836256;n6;asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.
1227419;1438836272;asciilifeform;n6: might wanna speak to trinque when he wakes up
1227420;1438836290;trinque;I'm back
1227421;1438836293;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.
1227422;1438836294;*;trinque catches up
1227423;1438836298;trinque;!up n6
1227424;1438836333;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.
1227425;1438836348;trinque;n6: you can find the deps with emerge --search if they're in portage
1227426;1438836366;trinque;python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them
1227427;1438836376;asciilifeform;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz
1227428;1438836377;assbot;NASA Must Pay Russia $490 Million Because Congress Won't Fund Trips to Space | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BOjV )
1227429;1438836417;trinque;n6: also if you don't mind me asking, how'd you get gentoo installed without wielding emerge?
1227430;1438836419;decimation;asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
1227431;1438836428;decimation;which I think you suggested awhile ago
1227432;1438836434;asciilifeform;decimation: see the thread with mircea_popescu
1227433;1438836447;decimation;I don't think you could fix 'as-is' without heavily fragmenting memory
1227434;1438836460;decimation;apparently most C++ programs don't even release the memory back to the os
1227435;1438836465;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222794 << that one
1227436;1438836465;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 00:46:00; mircea_popescu: dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);
1227437;1438836467;n6;I used AWS on ben_vulpes's recommendation, after failing to get it working on OS X
1227438;1438836474;decimation;so the only real solution is: don't allocate in the first place
1227439;1438836495;asciilifeform;in related nyooz,
1227440;1438836499;asciilifeform;dulap ~still~ blackholes
1227441;1438836505;asciilifeform;blackholed.
1227442;1438836548;trinque;n6: ah ok
1227443;1438836555;trinque;that's more or less cheating at gentoo
1227444;1438836570;trinque;which is to say you've been dropped into a spaceship already in flight
1227445;1438836585;decimation;asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)
1227446;1438836590;asciilifeform;aha
1227447;1438836598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00056234 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {2} 
1227448;1438836610;trinque;n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches
1227449;1438836623;BingoBoingo;decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy
1227450;1438836625;n6;trinque: Could you give me a link please?
1227451;1438836663;trinque;!s gentoo-stage3
1227452;1438836664;assbot;2 results for 'gentoo-stage3' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo-stage3
1227453;1438836704;decimation;asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns
1227454;1438836704;trinque;n6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-07-2015#1207756
1227455;1438836704;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 15:20:21; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
1227456;1438836724;trinque;n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.
1227457;1438836736;n6;trinque: thanks I'm going to read this and try again. first one is dead?
1227458;1438836737;BingoBoingo;decimation: "exists"
1227459;1438836747;trinque;n6: link works for me
1227460;1438836768;trinque;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt << this one
1227461;1438836769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl )
1227462;1438836792;decimation;BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'
1227463;1438836806;n6;trinque: thanks let me read this, and try again.
1227464;1438836810;asciilifeform;decimation: mircea_popescu's idea was to have it be precisely by miner fee
1227465;1438836810;BingoBoingo;decimation: Sure "exists"
1227466;1438836820;asciilifeform;and miners pay to access the cream of tx cache
1227467;1438836821;trinque;n6: bon voyage
1227468;1438836843;decimation;asciilifeform: it is now.  earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners
1227469;1438836859;asciilifeform;well yes, they pay out of band
1227470;1438836871;asciilifeform;('in-band' doesn't really feature an explicit provision for this kind of dealing)
1227471;1438836900;decimation;yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
1227472;1438836915;asciilifeform;nope
1227473;1438836929;asciilifeform;miner pays to access the top of the sorted mempool
1227474;1438836938;asciilifeform;(the most lucrative-per-byte tx-en)
1227475;1438836949;asciilifeform;how he pays, was not yet determined afaik
1227476;1438837009;punkman;I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own
1227477;1438837037;decimation;well, that was what made sense to me originally too, but then there was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206573
1227478;1438837037;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees
1227479;1438837038;asciilifeform;i can find 'nice' food on the forest floor.
1227480;1438837042;asciilifeform;or i can go to a store.
1227481;1438837122;decimation;asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
1227482;1438837129;asciilifeform;aha
1227483;1438837140;asciilifeform;then again, it would also be rational for them not to fucktardedly 'spv'
1227484;1438837144;decimation;as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
1227485;1438837144;asciilifeform;yet they do.
1227486;1438837161;asciilifeform;likewise, for 99% of them it would be rational to never mine at all
1227487;1438837166;asciilifeform;never even to consider it
1227488;1438837168;decimation;asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
1227489;1438837197;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
1227490;1438837208;asciilifeform;mining as we know it does not exactly select for folks who rationally weigh roi
1227491;1438837239;BingoBoingo;Guzzoline! Witness!!!
1227492;1438837241;decimation;not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
1227493;1438837298;decimation;but I still think this is true: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206571
1227494;1438837298;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive
1227495;1438837318;decimation;it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'
1227496;1438837324;decimation;wherever that might be
1227497;1438837343;asciilifeform;wai wat
1227498;1438837362;decimation;asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
1227499;1438837376;decimation;someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours
1227500;1438837380;decimation;miners don't pay you anymore
1227501;1438837381;asciilifeform;at a certain point, the only real use of mining will be collect tx fees
1227502;1438837417;asciilifeform;decimation: how much would you personally pay to shave a millisecond of latency ?
1227503;1438837423;asciilifeform;diminishing returns
1227504;1438837437;decimation;true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'
1227505;1438837450;asciilifeform;don't forget the other variable:
1227506;1438837457;asciilifeform;sanity.
1227507;1438837470;decimation;I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled
1227508;1438837473;asciilifeform;as in, 'this pool is a millisecond faster but runs gavinized soup'
1227509;1438837481;decimation;sure.
1227510;1438837496;asciilifeform;'this one takes ten minutes per but is run by a fella i know alive'
1227511;1438837524;asciilifeform;the folks who pick the former over the latter - get darwined, like the spv morons are now in the process of;
1227512;1438837526;asciilifeform;good riddance.
1227513;1438837533;decimation;aye.
1227514;1438837549;asciilifeform;granted, this could take a while.
1227515;1438837577;*;decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
1227516;1438837613;BingoBoingo;Lord Humungus sets the terms
1227517;1438838113;BingoBoingo;Man Australia is fucked up
1227518;1438838367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146950 @ 0.00056235 = 82.6373 BTC [+]
1227519;1438838735;BingoBoingo;The Humungus rules the Wasteland
1227520;1438839677;BingoBoingo;And nobody rocks the cock like Krista Now
1227521;1438839709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30002 @ 0.00056595 = 16.9796 BTC [+] {7} 
1227522;1438839969;punkman;BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc
1227523;1438839970;assbot;Southland Tales - funny car commercial - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSosuJ )
1227524;1438839985;BingoBoingo;lol
1227525;1438840016;BingoBoingo;Cars fuckign cars, cats and dogs getting along. Drepper really did beat Linus on Glibc didn't he.
1227526;1438840197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00056762 = 18.1065 BTC [+]
1227527;1438840238;BingoBoingo;Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick
1227528;1438840380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00056762 = 8.6846 BTC [+]
1227529;1438841305;punkman;!up SamouraiWallet
1227530;1438842515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00056762 = 16.0636 BTC [+]
1227531;1438842698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51609 @ 0.00056807 = 29.3175 BTC [+] {4} 
1227532;1438843247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00055582 = 9.2822 BTC [-]
1227533;1438844650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00055582 = 8.8097 BTC [-]
1227534;1438845809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149994 @ 0.00056993 = 85.4861 BTC [+] {5} 
1227535;1438846968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23859 @ 0.00057005 = 13.6008 BTC [+]
1227536;1438847640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10461 @ 0.00055582 = 5.8144 BTC [-]
1227537;1438847761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00055087 = 13.7718 BTC [-]
1227538;1438848188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00055087 = 3.3052 BTC [-]
1227539;1438848615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00055087 = 7.9055 BTC [-]
1227540;1438849347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0005702 = 30.9619 BTC [+] {4} 
1227541;1438849896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00056691 = 7.5399 BTC [-]
1227542;1438851177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54207 @ 0.00056363 = 30.5527 BTC [-] {3} 
1227543;1438851482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36279 @ 0.0005534 = 20.0768 BTC [-]
1227544;1438851706;Adlai;trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source?
1227545;1438851968;Adlai;!s verifying deeds
1227546;1438851974;assbot;1 results for 'verifying deeds' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=verifying+deeds
1227547;1438852157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00057082 = 17.5242 BTC [+] {3} 
1227548;1438853194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00055531 = 19.7968 BTC [-] {3} 
1227549;1438853988;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226593 <<< i dunno about you guys but when i was a renter, i had a commando 450 i would use to replace the water saving shower head at every single place i let and would reaffix it at the end of the lease
1227550;1438853988;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
1227551;1438854048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58080 @ 0.00057114 = 33.1718 BTC [+]
1227552;1438855390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00057118 = 33.4426 BTC [+] {3} 
1227553;1438856366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00057206 = 20.1234 BTC [+] {2} 
1227554;1438856915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34869 @ 0.00057383 = 20.0089 BTC [+] {2} 
1227555;1438857647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47699 @ 0.00055922 = 26.6742 BTC [-]
1227556;1438857863;kakobrekla;;;isup trilema.com
1227557;1438857867;gribble;trilema.com is down
1227558;1438858013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00055416 = 3.1587 BTC [-]
1227559;1438858562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00056301 = 18.4104 BTC [+] {3} 
1227560;1438859416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58674 @ 0.00055339 = 32.4696 BTC [-] {3} 
1227561;1438859478;Adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1JRE9WM
1227562;1438859480;assbot;dpaste: 1JRE9WM ... ( http://bit.ly/1hl0Iov )
1227563;1438859480;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1227564;1438859829;kakobrekla;i think you need raw
1227565;1438859848;kakobrekla;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1JRE9WM.txt
1227566;1438859849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hl1qCb )
1227567;1438859850;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1227568;1438860270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00054966 = 5.3867 BTC [-] {2} 
1227569;1438862583;Adlai;ty kakobrekla
1227570;1438862771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00054966 = 7.8601 BTC [-]
1227571;1438862893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00054914 = 32.1247 BTC [-] {3} 
1227572;1438862946;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
1227573;1438862947;assbot;Tokyo Court: Bitcoin Not Subject to Ownership ... ( http://bit.ly/1eUYOco )
1227574;1438863076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054839 = 11.242 BTC [-]
1227575;1438864052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97250 @ 0.00054551 = 53.0508 BTC [-] {7} 
1227576;1438864357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2102 @ 0.00055337 = 1.1632 BTC [+] {2} 
1227577;1438864418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36798 @ 0.00056173 = 20.6705 BTC [+]
1227578;1438865141;shinohai;;;ticker
1227579;1438865142;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 279.43, Best ask: 279.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 279.44, 24 hour volume: 10200.05712033, 24 hour low: 278.64, 24 hour high: 284.11, 24 hour vwap: None
1227580;1438865291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"
1227581;1438865291;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:16; asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz
1227582;1438865295;mircea_popescu;i wonder why that is.
1227583;1438865333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+]
1227584;1438865336;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227430 << you are both very late to this party and also who are you again ?
1227585;1438865336;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
1227586;1438865353;mircea_popescu;i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.
1227587;1438865908;asciilifeform;wai wut
1227588;1438865973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed
1227589;1438865976;asciilifeform;)
1227590;1438866102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere.
1227591;1438866130;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, dulap ~STILL~ blackholed
1227592;1438866143;asciilifeform;'getinfo' from 24 hours ago, ~still~ hanging.
1227593;1438866200;asciilifeform;zoolag and incitatus at 368648, 52 and 33 connections respectively, functioning normally.
1227594;1438866281;shinohai;Someone dislikes you asciilifeform
1227595;1438866351;asciilifeform;http://bitcoinist.net/going-soft-porn-officially-banned-india << poor indiancandy
1227596;1438866352;assbot;Going Soft: Porn Officially Banned in India - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ecPV )
1227597;1438866431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-]
1227598;1438866588;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'someone' is supplying a valuable massage service
1227599;1438866618;shinohai;Be like water.
1227600;1438867124;asciilifeform;trying connection 108.61.68.152:8333 lastseen=-40.8hrs lasttry=-20.6hrs
1227601;1438867124;asciilifeform;connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
1227602;1438867124;asciilifeform;trying connection 195.182.134.21:8333 lastseen=-44.0hrs lasttry=-22.6hrs
1227603;1438867124;asciilifeform;connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
1227604;1438867124;asciilifeform;trying connection 79.244.125.206:8333 lastseen=-41.2hrs lasttry=-20.3hrs
1227605;1438867125;asciilifeform;connect() failed after select(): No route to host
1227606;1438867133;asciilifeform;^ zombie world
1227607;1438867193;asciilifeform;i often wonder, any reason not to banhammer folks who won't accept connectback at 8333? if you wanna speak, get out from behind that nat, and be a full node ?
1227608;1438867204;asciilifeform;or else why talking
1227609;1438867240;asciilifeform;everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing
1227610;1438867407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
1227611;1438867423;asciilifeform;wai wat
1227612;1438867445;*;asciilifeform confused
1227613;1438867446;mircea_popescu;re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
1227614;1438867464;asciilifeform;i formerly thought this, also
1227615;1438867476;asciilifeform;now - not certain
1227616;1438867509;mircea_popescu;i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
1227617;1438867520;*;asciilifeform trying to restart node on dulap, bitcoin won't even eat SIGTERM
1227618;1438867526;mircea_popescu;kill -9
1227619;1438867560;mircea_popescu;anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
1227620;1438867563;asciilifeform;could mean a leprosied blockchain and two day-long outage
1227621;1438867587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ?
1227622;1438867591;mircea_popescu;yes.
1227623;1438867593;asciilifeform;(of own creation)
1227624;1438867612;mircea_popescu;this doesn't preclude the foregoing.
1227625;1438867658;asciilifeform;i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test
1227626;1438867684;asciilifeform;(suspect that phoundation 0.10+ misbehaves vis a vis 'classic' nodes)
1227627;1438867693;mircea_popescu;anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
1227628;1438867818;mircea_popescu;Аккаунт
1227629;1438867822;mircea_popescu;dude russian's hysterical.
1227630;1438867825;asciilifeform;l0l
1227631;1438867834;asciilifeform;that's a new one.
1227632;1438867849;mircea_popescu;it's just...
1227633;1438867865;mircea_popescu;the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".
1227634;1438867900;mircea_popescu;one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
1227635;1438867919;asciilifeform;better than fr ?
1227636;1438867923;mircea_popescu;way.
1227637;1438867940;mircea_popescu;french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk
1227638;1438867949;mircea_popescu;ymmv.
1227639;1438867968;asciilifeform;kill-9, restarted, now wedged at 'Loading block index...'
1227640;1438867971;asciilifeform;typical.
1227641;1438867976;mircea_popescu;that'll take a while.
1227642;1438867993;mircea_popescu;btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on
1227643;1438868017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2} 
1227644;1438868056;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we haven't got this flag
1227645;1438868067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it must be in yours only
1227646;1438868096;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/DeIjKnl.jpg
1227647;1438868097;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8h6Ef )
1227648;1438868125;asciilifeform;aaaaaand we're back to black hole hell
1227649;1438868133;punkman;asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet?
1227650;1438868153;asciilifeform;punkman: the wallet has never been fired
1227651;1438868157;asciilifeform;on this box
1227652;1438868303;mircea_popescu;oh
1227653;1438868323;mircea_popescu;well gotta do something re db corruption
1227654;1438868349;mircea_popescu;maybe rsync the bdb
1227655;1438868355;*;shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.
1227656;1438868369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, what did you think i did before.
1227657;1438868375;mircea_popescu;aha works.
1227658;1438868377;asciilifeform;hence when i said '2 day outage'
1227659;1438868380;asciilifeform;but that's lame
1227660;1438868404;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1227661;1438868435;mircea_popescu;shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.
1227662;1438868443;asciilifeform;anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time.
1227663;1438868446;punkman;asciilifeform: just wondering about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225902
1227664;1438868446;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses
1227665;1438868447;asciilifeform;somehow.
1227666;1438868463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound.
1227667;1438868471;shinohai;mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?
1227668;1438868483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: inbound also did not and still does not work reliably
1227669;1438868502;mircea_popescu;shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.
1227670;1438868505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @ 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4} 
1227671;1438868517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability
1227672;1438868527;shinohai;spv isn't a real node :/
1227673;1438868534;mircea_popescu;neither is a torrented blockchain
1227674;1438868541;mircea_popescu;in fact they are exactly iudentical.
1227675;1438868595;mircea_popescu;note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
1227676;1438868634;asciilifeform;one can always 'eatblock' the thing.
1227677;1438868810;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1227678;1438868818;*;asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src . what a shitnest !
1227679;1438868820;assbot;bitcoin/src at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iJBQ )
1227680;1438868820;mircea_popescu;not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could.
1227681;1438868847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what loc count is it at yet, 5mn ?
1227682;1438868847;asciilifeform;could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked
1227683;1438868866;mircea_popescu;wait. what ?!
1227684;1438868879;mircea_popescu;power rangers actually pruned some code ?!
1227685;1438868893;asciilifeform;mno ?
1227686;1438868932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2} 
1227687;1438868952;mike_c;half again = 50% more, not less
1227688;1438868974;asciilifeform;was half its size now
1227689;1438868983;asciilifeform;is what i meant.
1227690;1438869009;mircea_popescu;oh
1227691;1438869023;mircea_popescu;yeah, half-again is 150%. ancient roman convention.
1227692;1438869024;asciilifeform;that thing is ~7MB ~zipped~
1227693;1438869029;asciilifeform;ah hm
1227694;1438869031;mircea_popescu;ahahaha good god
1227695;1438869096;*;asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing
1227696;1438869117;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227572 < check it out BingoBoingo, "tokyo court submits to old MP article"
1227697;1438869117;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 12:09:06; shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
1227698;1438869172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14
1227699;1438869181;asciilifeform;(similar to how 'bitnodes' does)
1227700;1438869192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
1227701;1438869194;mircea_popescu;ie, two and a half.
1227702;1438869224;*;asciilifeform ought to have remembered this.
1227703;1438869234;mircea_popescu;they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc
1227704;1438869258;mircea_popescu;indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
1227705;1438869261;mircea_popescu;re that old thread.
1227706;1438869270;asciilifeform;aha
1227707;1438869330;asciilifeform;find ./bitcoin-master/ -type f -exec cat {} + | wc -l
1227708;1438869332;asciilifeform;wait for it...
1227709;1438869337;asciilifeform;335645
1227710;1438869338;*;mircea_popescu waits for it
1227711;1438869349;mircea_popescu;ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this!
1227712;1438869518;asciilifeform;a copy of stator: 24209
1227713;1438869542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-]
1227714;1438869553;mircea_popescu;so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ?
1227715;1438869554;asciilifeform;(src dir)
1227716;1438869563;asciilifeform;turdator's src dir: 287866
1227717;1438869891;asciilifeform;aaand dulap is back in business. for now...
1227718;1438869947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: your earlier observation 'moar nodes!' - must determine if enemy is able to wedge on demand. because then it does not particularly matter how many of us there are.
1227719;1438871004;asciilifeform;'The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both �.dat� and �log� files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the �.dat� files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the �log� files are not� even minor version differences may have incompatible �log� files. The -detachdb option moves any pending chang
1227720;1438871004;asciilifeform;es from the �log� files to the �blkindex.dat� file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the �wallet.dat� file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown.'
1227721;1438871012;asciilifeform;(found, from 0.7.2 readme)
1227722;1438871027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1227723;1438871099;asciilifeform;( https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.7.2 )
1227724;1438871100;assbot;Bitcoin-Qt version 0.7.2 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1InZpy7 )
1227725;1438871176;asciilifeform;doesn't appear to be of interest.
1227726;1438871191;asciilifeform;unless mircea_popescu's -detachdb does something else!
1227727;1438871234;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2014#925307 << apparently in the logz, even.
1227728;1438871234;assbot;Logged on 16-11-2014 06:12:47; ben_vulpes: http://94i30.net/wp-content/bitcoin-p2sh/bitcoin-detachdb.php << for lulz
1227729;1438871270;punkman;I like how detach means combine into a single file?
1227730;1438871374;*;asciilifeform bbl
1227731;1438872592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @ 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+]
1227732;1438873080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3} 
1227733;1438873446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @ 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3} 
1227734;1438873662;decimation;no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long
1227735;1438873690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3} 
1227736;1438873879;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache
1227737;1438873895;mircea_popescu;which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.
1227738;1438873908;mircea_popescu;this idiocy is actually where i ordered divergence.
1227739;1438873979;mircea_popescu;who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....
1227740;1438874054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform enemy is not able to wedge on demand.
1227741;1438874239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3} 
1227742;1438874789;shinohai;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spy-agency-whistle-blower-posted-top-secret-report-4chan-users-called-it-fake-gay-1514330   <<< top kek
1227743;1438874790;assbot;Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsruCb )
1227744;1438874830;mircea_popescu;social media ftw.
1227745;1438874849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18} 
1227746;1438875020;mircea_popescu;"John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."
1227747;1438875067;mircea_popescu;"The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."
1227748;1438875078;mircea_popescu;guy's taking some pretty powerful xanax.
1227749;1438875108;shinohai;Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize.
1227750;1438875187;mircea_popescu;honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
1227751;1438875283;mircea_popescu;in other news, make-up does wonders http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0lwkdqCj1qciaxlo1_1280.jpg
1227752;1438875285;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPAV4K )
1227753;1438875380;shinohai;creamy ...
1227754;1438875581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3} 
1227755;1438875691;shinohai;My god, mircea_popescu was right: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/628858360704704512
1227756;1438875732;shinohai;He has no qualms about discussing it, heh
1227757;1438875783;mircea_popescu;yeha guy's out there.
1227758;1438875869;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
1227759;1438875870;assbot;How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isunmw )
1227760;1438876145;punkman;looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade
1227761;1438876158;mircea_popescu;maybe it's glued on
1227762;1438876164;shinohai;Like half of the people in Tennessee
1227763;1438876408;shinohai;And Xstians are always bandying about how persecuted they are: http://www.rt.com/usa/311664-school-child-lawsuit-god/
1227764;1438876409;assbot;School ‘banishes’ 7yo student for saying he doesn’t believe in God – lawsuit — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvP8i )
1227765;1438876565;trinque;good for the kid
1227766;1438876877;trinque;Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found
1227767;1438876882;trinque;and backed up of course
1227768;1438876902;trinque;but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one
1227769;1438876990;trinque;the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key
1227770;1438877034;trinque;bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between
1227771;1438877051;trinque;meaning ascii armor footer and header touching
1227772;1438877099;shinohai;trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ?
1227773;1438877162;trinque;nah this tenyks bot I no longer like
1227774;1438877169;trinque;has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition
1227775;1438877316;trinque;I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that
1227776;1438877395;trinque;rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL
1227777;1438877475;punkman;trinque: did you write the services in go?
1227778;1438877490;trinque;nah, python
1227779;1438877509;trinque;it does pub/sub over redis
1227780;1438877526;trinque;so anything with a redis client would work
1227781;1438877575;trinque;it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head
1227782;1438877716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5} 
1227783;1438878011;punkman;trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw?
1227784;1438878204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+]
1227785;1438878265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+]
1227786;1438878430;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1227787;1438878753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @ 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4} 
1227788;1438878814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-]
1227789;1438878897;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227750 << already forgot his 'coloured phone' ?
1227790;1438878897;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
1227791;1438878928;ascii_field;(it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)
1227792;1438878967;ascii_field;anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov
1227793;1438879363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @ 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6} 
1227794;1438879462;ascii_field;;;isup trilema.com
1227795;1438879466;gribble;trilema.com is down
1227796;1438880065;trinque;punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it
1227797;1438880072;trinque;haven't had a problem yet.
1227798;1438880095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3} 
1227799;1438880220;ascii_field;trinque: public node ?
1227800;1438880287;trinque;ascii_field: should be listening at 54.68.114.104:8333
1227801;1438881470;punkman;"Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in  order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business,  I added the "Now."   Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
1227802;1438883694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4} 
1227803;1438883938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @ 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-]
1227804;1438884027;mircea_popescu;ascii_field mebbe so.
1227805;1438884067;mircea_popescu;punkman a good principle for sure.
1227806;1438884079;mircea_popescu;too many diesel cunts in the world.
1227807;1438884304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3} 
1227808;1438884471;thestringpuller;unleaded cunts only
1227809;1438884490;jurov_now;nao!!!
1227810;1438884536;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1227811;1438884537;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KZXXX6.txt )
1227812;1438884913;ben_vulpes;coracle wedged firmly at 367850.
1227813;1438884989;ben_vulpes;i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes
1227814;1438885089;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1227815;1438885154;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you?
1227816;1438885183;ascii_field;nope
1227817;1438885202;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from?
1227818;1438885213;BingoBoingo;I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.
1227819;1438885236;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.
1227820;1438885268;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/
1227821;1438885270;assbot;Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtwUjM )
1227822;1438885287;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: ~noble~
1227823;1438885289;ascii_field;gargh
1227824;1438885319;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry
1227825;1438885324;ben_vulpes;which is also neat
1227826;1438885327;ben_vulpes;but w/e, your shop
1227827;1438885347;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?
1227828;1438885356;*;ben_vulpes doesn't wedge frequently
1227829;1438885358;ascii_field;restart ?
1227830;1438885358;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.
1227831;1438885399;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.
1227832;1438885401;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: have yeah.
1227833;1438885426;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: post pcap plz
1227834;1438885585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2} 
1227835;1438885586;scoopbot_revived;Tokyo Court Affirms Ancient Bitcoin Wisdom: Coins Gifted to Scammers are No Longer Yours http://qntra.net/2015/08/tokyo-court-affirms-ancient-bitcoin-wisdom-coins-gifted-to-scammers-are-no-longer-yours/
1227836;1438885651;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: dev-haskell/pcap?
1227837;1438885663;ben_vulpes;no no no
1227838;1438885697;ascii_field;nono
1227839;1438885699;ascii_field;tcpdump
1227840;1438885718;ben_vulpes;aha
1227841;1438885829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+]
1227842;1438886388;ben_vulpes;welp i hosed this gentoo somehow
1227843;1438886398;ben_vulpes;tcpdump: command not found
1227844;1438886406;ben_vulpes;man tcpdump: werkz
1227845;1438886446;jurov_now;did it emerge successfully?
1227846;1438886472;ben_vulpes;pretty sure.
1227847;1438886477;trinque;ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH
1227848;1438886480;trinque;might have to re-open
1227849;1438886486;*;ben_vulpes shrugs, runs emerge again
1227850;1438886494;ben_vulpes;guys i dont understand the first thing about computers
1227851;1438886499;trinque;ben_vulpes: open a new term
1227852;1438886512;ben_vulpes;trinque: tried that.
1227853;1438886520;trinque;hm, then ass-goblins
1227854;1438886561;ben_vulpes;will post emergelog shortly.
1227855;1438886585;trinque;ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin
1227856;1438886592;trinque;probably requires root to run
1227857;1438886616;ben_vulpes;sudo tcpdump?
1227858;1438886622;ben_vulpes;i are a dorp
1227859;1438886636;ben_vulpes;whoa okay yeah it werkz. i don't.
1227860;1438886639;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo
1227861;1438886640;assbot;Bill Withers - Ain't No Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtMUwX )
1227862;1438887049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+]
1227863;1438887052;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: how long of a pcap run?
1227864;1438887255;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1227865;1438887362;shinohai;$google uses for worthless asics
1227866;1438887418;trinque;shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper?
1227867;1438887439;shinohai;wut ...
1227868;1438887445;trinque;also, new entry for metal thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPkCy_XmII
1227869;1438887446;assbot;Black Crown Initiate - The Wreckage Of Stars (2014) Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtOq21 )
1227870;1438887453;trinque;shinohai: paperweight joke
1227871;1438887465;shinohai;I was thinking doorstop
1227872;1438887503;shinohai;I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago
1227873;1438887565;trinque;ever get any coin out of them?
1227874;1438887575;trinque;I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining
1227875;1438887736;shinohai;I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly.
1227876;1438887756;shinohai;I mainly purchased them as curiousity.
1227877;1438887900;punkman;trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
1227878;1438887987;punkman;I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time
1227879;1438890179;BingoBoingo;http://www.startribune.com/gay-teens-have-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-their-straight-peers/320842991/
1227880;1438890182;assbot;Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
1227881;1438890279;funkenstein_;!up franckuestein
1227882;1438890379;shinohai;Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me
1227883;1438890430;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Maybe pregnancy made them gay?
1227884;1438890495;shinohai;Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher"   <<< plausible?
1227885;1438890691;jurov_now;hardly any teen is sure of their orientation
1227886;1438891308;mircea_popescu;lol jurov_now
1227887;1438891319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3} 
1227888;1438891325;mircea_popescu;is this your new pornstar name ?
1227889;1438891343;jurov_now;yes, now!
1227890;1438891351;punkman;it rolls of the tongue
1227891;1438891357;punkman;should keep it
1227892;1438891373;mircea_popescu;but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide
1227893;1438891393;mircea_popescu;or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression.
1227894;1438891404;mircea_popescu;no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.
1227895;1438891434;mircea_popescu;i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm)
1227896;1438891456;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg
1227897;1438891458;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxmpeU )
1227898;1438891484;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1227899;1438891502;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things
1227900;1438891515;mircea_popescu;kids.
1227901;1438891531;ascii_field;the dumber, the more cocksure, i thought
1227902;1438891588;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1227903;1438891606;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.
1227904;1438891639;n6;mircea_popescu: I still working on getting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 working but I noticed you have an open bounty (http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958) still. someone linked the done work already(http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/bitcoin-dot.svg) can I collect?
1227905;1438891639;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
1227906;1438891652;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227896   <<< beats sharpies-in-ass
1227907;1438891652;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 20:04:16; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg
1227908;1438891656;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227884 <-- could be only way to keep dad around
1227909;1438891656;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher"   <<< plausible?
1227910;1438891660;mircea_popescu;n6 it's been paid out et all for a while.
1227911;1438891670;n6;ah too bad.
1227912;1438891686;mircea_popescu;you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it.
1227913;1438891796;n6;ah I thought it might be to good to be true.
1227914;1438891934;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227877 <>< in which case the tidy profits are not from mining
1227915;1438891934;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
1227916;1438892032;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227880 << anyway, this imo should be sufficient proof that "gay" is a fashion label, being used for political gain by unscrupulous operators but otherwise perfectly unrelated with anything substantial
1227917;1438892032;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
1227918;1438892035;mircea_popescu;such as anyhone's sexuality.,
1227919;1438892052;mircea_popescu;they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike"
1227920;1438892364;ben_vulpes;http://feminism.shithouse.tv
1227921;1438892365;assbot;feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFob )
1227922;1438892371;ben_vulpes;http://anti-feminism.shithouse.tv
1227923;1438892372;assbot;anti-feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFEF )
1227924;1438892597;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227522 << heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI
1227925;1438892597;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 05:46:09; punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc
1227926;1438892598;assbot;Charger prototype finding its way to Model S - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxox6u )
1227927;1438892773;ascii_field;>> http://i.imgur.com/qB9sO7O.gifv <<
1227928;1438892773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxoOGB )
1227929;1438892864;punkman;is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?
1227930;1438892868;ascii_field;yes.
1227931;1438892900;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/illinois-will-close-world-shooting-complex-in-sparta-at-end/article_035fe93b-9bdc-5609-9be6-9bfc63b01488.html
1227932;1438892902;assbot;Illinois will close World Shooting Complex in Sparta at end of August : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxp4Fq )
1227933;1438892902;scoopbot_revived;Fiat Chrysler Sued in Court Over Security Vulnerability http://qntra.net/2015/08/fiat-chrysler-sued-in-court-over-security-vulnerability/
1227934;1438892961;trinque;bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog
1227935;1438892971;trinque;I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face
1227936;1438893028;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9-TKRkaUw << for those who must witness
1227937;1438893029;assbot;Monkey Rapes Frog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxpn3c )
1227938;1438893332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5209 @ 0.00056614 = 2.949 BTC [+]
1227939;1438893551;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo in that last qntra, i think you forgot to mention http://qntra.net/2015/07/entertainment-system-vulnerability-turns-vehicles-into-hot-death/
1227940;1438893552;assbot;"Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcYLV2 )
1227941;1438893566;BingoBoingo;ty pete_dushenski
1227942;1438893592;pete_dushenski;np my man
1227943;1438893637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52738 @ 0.00056749 = 29.9283 BTC [+] {2} 
1227944;1438893642;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227167 < hm yea this makes for an interesting read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/52137
1227945;1438893642;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?
1227946;1438893643;assbot;Problems with two active encryption subkeys | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcZ0Q9 )
1227947;1438893698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00057072 = 14.6104 BTC [+] {2} 
1227948;1438894553;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/#comment-25282 << oldapps.com update
1227949;1438894554;assbot;OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxspUU )
1227950;1438894572;pete_dushenski;shit's gotten worse instead of better.
1227951;1438894657;pete_dushenski;after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
1227952;1438894683;pete_dushenski;because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something
1227953;1438894691;shinohai;That solves everything doesn't it?
1227954;1438894712;pete_dushenski;in lalaland, it would see so
1227955;1438894714;pete_dushenski;seem
1227956;1438894718;shinohai;Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths
1227957;1438894812;pete_dushenski;because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software
1227958;1438894867;pete_dushenski;because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes
1227959;1438894896;pete_dushenski;god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !
1227960;1438894937;pete_dushenski;then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
1227961;1438894955;pete_dushenski;and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.
1227962;1438894980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35028 @ 0.00057198 = 20.0353 BTC [+] {2} 
1227963;1438895007;trinque;pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
1227964;1438895012;pete_dushenski;it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday
1227965;1438895051;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1227966;1438895062;pete_dushenski;it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program
1227967;1438895065;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary
1227968;1438895085;pete_dushenski;trinque i'll look
1227969;1438895100;ascii_field;(notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)
1227970;1438895159;pete_dushenski;ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case
1227971;1438895166;ascii_field;what case
1227972;1438895179;pete_dushenski;where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ?
1227973;1438895192;ascii_field;for archaeological purposes ?
1227974;1438895195;ascii_field;from one's wot of course
1227975;1438895209;pete_dushenski;fair enough.
1227976;1438895230;trinque;gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder
1227977;1438895232;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it
1227978;1438895255;kakobrekla;hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?
1227979;1438895268;pete_dushenski;dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator)
1227980;1438895305;pete_dushenski;ascii_field ^you have by chance ?
1227981;1438895328;ascii_field;intel ?
1227982;1438895362;kakobrekla;because, to me it doesnt seem to be working.
1227983;1438895369;pete_dushenski;ascii_field mhm
1227984;1438895373;ascii_field;then no
1227985;1438895387;pete_dushenski;ascii_field you have for ppc ?
1227986;1438895393;ascii_field;possibly
1227987;1438895418;pete_dushenski;if you have for ppc and macos 10.4, i'm interested
1227988;1438895423;ascii_field;9.
1227989;1438895453;pete_dushenski;mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot
1227990;1438895466;pete_dushenski;1 down... couple dozen to go.
1227991;1438895483;pete_dushenski;ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach
1227992;1438895718;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo hyperlink to that article missed the 'a'
1227993;1438895763;BingoBoingo;fxd
1227994;1438895772;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227963   <<< for some reason that set my mind a brewin'
1227995;1438895772;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
1227996;1438895816;pete_dushenski;https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/08/06/how-much-do-we-love-windows-10/ << why phil, why ??
1227997;1438895818;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How much do we love Windows 10? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxuGPX )
1227998;1438895851;pete_dushenski;downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10.
1227999;1438895897;shinohai;If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure.
1228000;1438896014;davout;ohai
1228001;1438896041;ascii_field;priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
1228002;1438896113;pete_dushenski;re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth.
1228003;1438896134;pete_dushenski;ascii_field that ol' coot ? hm.
1228004;1438896166;pete_dushenski;shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.
1228005;1438896201;shinohai;I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
1228006;1438896230;pete_dushenski;for sure.
1228007;1438896245;shinohai;If anyone can think outside the box ....
1228008;1438896261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36681 @ 0.00057266 = 21.0057 BTC [+] {3} 
1228009;1438896267;pete_dushenski;what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is.
1228010;1438896267;BingoBoingo;https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10134
1228011;1438896269;assbot;10134 – Ulrich Drepper is a fucking dictator asshole ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5U8sT )
1228012;1438896273;pete_dushenski;sorta like bitcoin, that's what there is.
1228013;1438896308;BingoBoingo;"Note that the status of the bug was changed from "RESOLVED INVALID" to "RESOLVED FIXED" in 2014-03-20. Probably because as well as I know Ulrich currently doesn't work in Red Hat and doesn't have any commit access. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.glibc.alpha/19088"
1228014;1438896309;assbot;glibc steering committee dissolving ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5UcJ3 )
1228015;1438896316;pete_dushenski;shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.
1228016;1438896336;pete_dushenski;of course, this isn't the os space we live in
1228017;1438896337;shinohai;Of course not, if you try yo will lose.
1228018;1438896345;shinohai;*you
1228019;1438896350;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225684 <<< iirc trinque mentioned a versioning system that does signed commits properly, where you can extract a set of individually signed patches
1228020;1438896350;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
1228021;1438896359;pete_dushenski;shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this
1228022;1438896390;trinque;davout: it was punkman re darcs I think
1228023;1438896395;shinohai;I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent
1228024;1438896400;pete_dushenski;but i'm off for a bit. laters !
1228025;1438896404;ascii_field;davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron.
1228026;1438896429;trinque;I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it
1228027;1438896441;trinque;but I agree with that principle
1228028;1438896460;davout;ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?
1228029;1438896480;ascii_field;speaking of signing, rather than checking
1228030;1438896486;ascii_field;checking can be done on a keyless pgp
1228031;1438896493;davout;yeah, that's the point
1228032;1438896512;davout;check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check
1228033;1438896547;davout;with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2
1228034;1438896555;davout;(for each commit that is)
1228035;1438896583;mircea_popescu;aga
1228036;1438896591;mircea_popescu;aha*
1228037;1438896629;davout;so basically the toolset reduces to:
1228038;1438896651;davout;1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits)
1228039;1438896684;ascii_field;already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~
1228040;1438896689;davout;2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks
1228041;1438896732;davout;3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool
1228042;1438896766;davout;ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess
1228043;1438896783;ascii_field;davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ?
1228044;1438896818;davout;the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ?
1228045;1438896839;ascii_field;it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation
1228046;1438896854;ascii_field;can take mine, convert to yours, sure
1228047;1438896891;trinque;!up ascii_field
1228048;1438896963;davout;"please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-)
1228049;1438896968;ascii_field;~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.
1228050;1438896996;trinque;with the antecedent named, seems fine
1228051;1438897005;trinque;what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere*
1228052;1438897011;ascii_field;aha, working on that
1228053;1438897176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5746 @ 0.00057019 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {3} 
1228054;1438897238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52704 @ 0.00056634 = 29.8484 BTC [-] {2} 
1228055;1438897298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00057267 = 10.6517 BTC [+]
1228056;1438897314;davout;as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about
1228057;1438897410;mircea_popescu;the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.
1228058;1438897554;davout;roger ver delivers, again https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fw74a/roger_ver_on_twitter_lets_raise_the_block_size/cttakac
1228059;1438897555;assbot;MemoryDealers comments on Roger Ver on Twitter: "...Let's raise the block size limit." ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5W04U )
1228060;1438897603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00056316 = 18.359 BTC [-] {4} 
1228061;1438897614;mircea_popescu;wow, this guy still exists!
1228062;1438897641;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "sued in court" kinda redundant neh ?
1228063;1438897682;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227951 << ahahaha. was obviously getting in the way of UXability.
1228064;1438897682;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
1228065;1438897756;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: fxd
1228066;1438897786;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
1228067;1438897786;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
1228068;1438897787;assbot;The Dancing Man and the cult of well-intentioned idiots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WhVz )
1228069;1438897908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34985 @ 0.00057325 = 20.0552 BTC [+] {4} 
1228070;1438898070;mircea_popescu;in somewhat udder news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9b313a20245b4db1df823c322dc60d95/tumblr_np4xj0OQUc1tttg72o1_1280.jpg
1228071;1438898072;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WNml )
1228072;1438898135;shinohai;I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually.
1228073;1438898171;*;shinohai with a secret proxy for India
1228074;1438898203;trinque;shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today!
1228075;1438898226;mircea_popescu;holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!
1228076;1438898240;mircea_popescu;this is the most mindblowing thing i heard this week.
1228077;1438898443;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228001 << naw. hashalot is written by slusky.
1228078;1438898443;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
1228079;1438898489;mircea_popescu;http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/
1228080;1438898490;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Xufp )
1228081;1438898563;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228005 << for the record i fail to see any genius. this might be just because i'm a dour old prune, so don't mind me.
1228082;1438898563;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
1228083;1438898682;shinohai;http://www.singularitysymposium.com/ted-kaczynski.html
1228084;1438898683;assbot;Ted Kaczynski and the Technological Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5XPPd )
1228085;1438898757;shinohai;Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.
1228086;1438898758;mircea_popescu;shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.
1228087;1438898771;mircea_popescu;refresh me, what did he do ? (flatly honest question)
1228088;1438898885;shinohai;Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know
1228089;1438898931;shinohai;I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency
1228090;1438898942;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds
1228091;1438898942;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp
1228092;1438898942;mircea_popescu;to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.
1228093;1438898964;kakobrekla;what am i missing here? http://dpaste.com/0BMEYFB.txt
1228094;1438898966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5YkZK )
1228095;1438898967;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.
1228096;1438899008;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the key is broken apparently ?
1228097;1438899021;kakobrekla;i doubt it
1228098;1438899029;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what this is.
1228099;1438899053;kakobrekla;certainly not a feature.
1228100;1438899074;kakobrekla;mebbe ascii knows something ?
1228101;1438899080;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1228102;1438899088;mircea_popescu;can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ?
1228103;1438899110;kakobrekla;lets see
1228104;1438899120;mircea_popescu;fucking b-a, never a dull moment.
1228105;1438899189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00055871 = 90.0641 BTC [-] {3} 
1228106;1438899217;kakobrekla;i get fucking the same?
1228107;1438899237;mircea_popescu;uh
1228108;1438899452;mircea_popescu;no, the pubkey is broken
1228109;1438899471;kakobrekla;how is it broken?
1228110;1438899499;kakobrekla;hm
1228111;1438899508;mircea_popescu;well for one thing it doesn't hash to its fingerprint
1228112;1438899521;punkman;kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?
1228113;1438899532;mircea_popescu;we got a live cosmic ray event here or wtf.
1228114;1438899555;mircea_popescu;;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers.
1228115;1438899556;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1228116;1438899600;kakobrekla;punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what
1228117;1438899669;kakobrekla;or maybe we are missing something with mp
1228118;1438899674;kakobrekla;pls do tell ?
1228119;1438899677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34034 @ 0.00057383 = 19.5297 BTC [+] {2} 
1228120;1438899816;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well
1228121;1438899878;kakobrekla;yeah lol we are noobs.
1228122;1438899893;kakobrekla;you cant encrypt with that.
1228123;1438899930;punkman;aha
1228124;1438899955;kakobrekla;what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367
1228125;1438899963;kakobrekla;however i am not sure this is possible.
1228126;1438900055;punkman;it's a special case indeed
1228127;1438900062;kakobrekla;perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29
1228128;1438900070;punkman;n6 needs to re-arrange his keys
1228129;1438900070;kakobrekla;if the gpg falls back
1228130;1438900081;kakobrekla;to his non expiring kex
1228131;1438900083;kakobrekla;key
1228132;1438900124;kakobrekla;or add another working subkey ?
1228133;1438900195;punkman;https://10thirty.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pierre-marcolini-avenue-louise.jpg in case you find yourself in Belgium
1228134;1438900197;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmbBGO )
1228135;1438900197;kakobrekla;with even longer expiration date
1228136;1438901121;punkman;for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.
1228137;1438901275;punkman;(and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)
1228138;1438901309;kakobrekla;and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.
1228139;1438901316;mircea_popescu;o.O
1228140;1438901342;mircea_popescu;pub  4096R/2FB7B452 2011-07-22            <<
1228141;1438901348;mircea_popescu;my key is actually the main.
1228142;1438901369;kakobrekla;nein http://dpaste.com/381RF4D.txt
1228143;1438901370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmdPWD )
1228144;1438901393;mircea_popescu;!rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
1228145;1438901393;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e494b4bd9c67dd6c
1228146;1438901432;mircea_popescu;gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22
1228147;1438901436;mircea_popescu;right you are
1228148;1438901438;kakobrekla;gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
1228149;1438901441;kakobrekla;yea
1228150;1438901445;mircea_popescu;one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head.
1228151;1438901458;punkman;gl hf
1228152;1438901525;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, kakobrekla has it, we're noobs.
1228153;1438901558;punkman;and you don't have to carry your master private key around!
1228154;1438901559;mircea_popescu;;;later tell n6 nevermind, figured it out in the end.
1228155;1438901559;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1228156;1438901580;kakobrekla;punkman i just dont leave house.
1228157;1438901587;mircea_popescu;to celebrate, trophy : http://36.media.tumblr.com/b620fdb41a72e999b92ef9f913c575dc/tumblr_mk2kc8JmVg1qf0ndvo1_1280.jpg
1228158;1438901588;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hme97A )
1228159;1438901592;mircea_popescu;and i can confirm, he doesn't.
1228160;1438901623;shinohai; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228144 < Hopefully I get rated one day with a "Hurr Durr Dippy Do" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo
1228161;1438901623;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
1228162;1438901624;assbot;Swedish Chef - Meatballs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmednT )
1228163;1438901626;kakobrekla;except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
1228164;1438901626;punkman;kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device
1228165;1438901646;punkman;revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice
1228166;1438901661;mircea_popescu;;;isup trilema.com
1228167;1438901663;gribble;trilema.com is up
1228168;1438901666;mircea_popescu;bah
1228169;1438901678;mircea_popescu;what can you rely on in this day and age
1228170;1438901866;shinohai;^ truth
1228171;1438901892;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228163 < http://smpake.com/slivnica.jpg.gpg
1228172;1438901892;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
1228173;1438901893;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmew28 )
1228174;1438901933;mircea_popescu;in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!
1228175;1438901941;mircea_popescu;and yes, that's four ~significant~ digits there.
1228176;1438901963;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago.
1228177;1438901984;mircea_popescu;cool!
1228178;1438901990;mircea_popescu;i went to tigre. it sucked.
1228179;1438902008;mircea_popescu;"oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code.
1228180;1438902023;mircea_popescu;was expectiong either jay or silent bob at any turn
1228181;1438902064;*;mircea_popescu disfirms. kakobrekla does in fact leave house.
1228182;1438902080;kakobrekla;on a good occasion.
1228183;1438902091;mircea_popescu;(to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)
1228184;1438902178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00057384 = 8.0911 BTC [+]
1228185;1438903029;decimation;I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.
1228186;1438903094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00055696 = 8.7342 BTC [-] {3} 
1228187;1438903159;shinohai;Being dour is fun decimation
1228188;1438903461;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1228189;1438903469;ascii_field;achtung, panzers!
1228190;1438903480;ascii_field;diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
1228191;1438903491;ascii_field;gives the desired behaviour.
1228192;1438903491;scoopbot_revived;MPIF (F.MPIF) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-july-2015-statement/
1228193;1438903495;ascii_field;^^^ mircea_popescu ^^^
1228194;1438903559;ascii_field;~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.
1228195;1438903591;ascii_field;this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!!
1228196;1438903603;ascii_field;requires standard gnu awk.
1228197;1438903618;ascii_field;replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util.
1228198;1438903671;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/05M62XK << example output
1228199;1438903672;assbot;dpaste: 05M62XK ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9mnew )
1228200;1438903695;ascii_field;mircea_popesc ^
1228201;1438903699;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^
1228202;1438903765;jurov;interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding"
1228203;1438903773;jurov;while inactive
1228204;1438904130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00056133 = 11.5353 BTC [+] {3} 
1228205;1438904618;pete_dushenski;!up n6
1228206;1438904657;n6;I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc"  put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
1228207;1438904658;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl )
1228208;1438904685;n6;grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that
1228209;1438904738;n6;I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that
1228210;1438904790;kakobrekla;'make clean' perhaps ?
1228211;1438904792;*;kakobrekla nfi
1228212;1438904862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2145 BTC [+] {3} 
1228213;1438904874;n6;mean the  /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up
1228214;1438904884;n6;done all the steps after but still wont let me leave
1228215;1438904916;danielpbarron;n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install
1228216;1438904928;n6;this is the only install I have.
1228217;1438904943;danielpbarron;can be the "live" "cd"
1228218;1438904953;danielpbarron;flash drive with iso or whatever
1228219;1438904955;kakobrekla;ah
1228220;1438904964;n6;How?
1228221;1438904995;danielpbarron;or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment
1228222;1438905015;n6;Yes still in the live environment.
1228223;1438905095;n6;Do I need to start over?
1228224;1438905126;danielpbarron;i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up
1228225;1438905162;n6;I have done that, and still isn't working.
1228226;1438905175;*;kakobrekla thought you were at building the turd
1228227;1438905197;n6;No I fucked it up went back tried again
1228228;1438905228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.0005566 = 20.9838 BTC [-] {3} 
1228229;1438905260;n6;I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.
1228230;1438905288;n6;I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing.
1228231;1438905383;danielpbarron;i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo
1228232;1438905401;danielpbarron;but i did not use that guide
1228233;1438905437;jurov;tried to re-merge grub?
1228234;1438905457;jurov;the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting
1228235;1438905465;n6;no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how?
1228236;1438905473;jurov;emerge grub
1228237;1438905477;jurov;^just that
1228238;1438905595;n6;still giving me the error
1228239;1438905655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0005566 = 10.0745 BTC [-]
1228240;1438905688;n6;How do I boot without grub?
1228241;1438905700;BingoBoingo;http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/sweden
1228242;1438905701;assbot;The Swedish dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdDOfL )
1228243;1438905716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.0005728 = 33.7379 BTC [+] {5} 
1228244;1438905854;danielpbarron;i ended up using regular grub
1228245;1438905908;n6;What is regular grub?
1228246;1438905960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00057445 = 58.8524 BTC [+] {4} 
1228247;1438906200;danielpbarron;as opposed to grub2
1228248;1438906223;danielpbarron;don't mind me, you should probably just start over
1228249;1438906270;n6;yea seems that way
1228250;1438906365;trinque;n6: rebuild grub
1228251;1438906369;trinque;emerge grub
1228252;1438906389;n6;I did that didn't work starting over right now..
1228253;1438906389;trinque;the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built
1228254;1438906392;trinque;alright
1228255;1438906631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17170 @ 0.00057513 = 9.875 BTC [+] {2} 
1228256;1438907059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33295 @ 0.0005566 = 18.532 BTC [-]
1228257;1438907349;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see also https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/
1228258;1438907352;assbot;Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdHL48 )
1228259;1438907363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00057532 = 26.3497 BTC [+] {3} 
1228260;1438907541;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228066 << me ? son of a hitler ? lol just wait until you see what scoopy's bringin in here
1228261;1438907541;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 21:49:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
1228262;1438907547;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228206 << 'grub2' is satanic. use grub or - best of all - lilo
1228263;1438907547;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 23:44:17; n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc"  put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
1228264;1438907675;trinque;pete_dushenski: bahahaha
1228265;1438907675;scoopbot_revived;La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/
1228266;1438907718;pete_dushenski;trinque :D
1228267;1438907730;trinque;calling all artists in la serenissima
1228268;1438907790;pete_dushenski;it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here
1228269;1438907820;asciilifeform;!up n6
1228270;1438907830;trinque;I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs
1228271;1438907851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79440 @ 0.00057611 = 45.7662 BTC [+] {3} 
1228272;1438907874;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner
1228273;1438907939;asciilifeform;'But whether the Eagles obey us, Or we go to the Ravens--alone, I'd sooner be Lalage's lover Than sit on an Emperor's throne!'
1228274;1438907939;pete_dushenski;what's that look like again ?
1228275;1438907943;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) (kipling)
1228276;1438907965;asciilifeform;( http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/rimini.html )
1228277;1438907966;assbot;Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: "Rimini" ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdJsOU )
1228278;1438908120;pete_dushenski;the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter
1228279;1438908131;n6;Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall
1228280;1438908171;n6;I have made a mess of this gentoo thing.
1228281;1438908190;danielpbarron;slower is faster
1228282;1438908219;BingoBoingo;n6: Maybe choose a different source based distro? http://morpheus.2f30.org/
1228283;1438908220;assbot;Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )
1228284;1438908277;n6;um, think it has to be gentoo here.
1228285;1438908324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nb
1228286;1438908500;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski haha but why the eagle
1228287;1438908511;BingoBoingo;n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?
1228288;1438908512;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :(
1228289;1438908541;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's next, a five litre blood sample ?
1228290;1438908545;ben_vulpes;*sigh*
1228291;1438908546;n6;Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly?
1228292;1438908547;asciilifeform;a 100kg stool sample ?
1228293;1438908552;ben_vulpes;hey man i shit big
1228294;1438908564;mircea_popescu;shit check that out, alf's quite the poetic library
1228295;1438908577;asciilifeform;lolwat
1228296;1438908598;asciilifeform;is there any english speaker alive who doesn't remember that one
1228297;1438908607;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu to quote two footnotes...
1228298;1438908610;pete_dushenski;"This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."
1228299;1438908616;pete_dushenski;"People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"
1228300;1438908623;mircea_popescu;<n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one
1228301;1438908640;pete_dushenski;eagles on the mind, it seems.
1228302;1438908644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00057561 = 21.24 BTC [-] {3} 
1228303;1438908644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i realized while sitting in car that the awk doesn't handle formation of new files, or removal. will post tweaked version later.
1228304;1438908653;asciilifeform;for now, can use this
1228305;1438908653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. all of them.
1228306;1438908657;asciilifeform;format will not change
1228307;1438908661;asciilifeform;ever.
1228308;1438908662;mircea_popescu;i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now.
1228309;1438908665;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1228310;1438908669;BingoBoingo;<n6> Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux
1228311;1438908708;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu btw that second footnote... is yours.
1228312;1438908721;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: actually ~working with~ a linux without any package system whatsoever, is not entirely honestly describable as 'basic'
1228313;1438908724;pete_dushenski;first is mine.
1228314;1438908742;mircea_popescu;how you mean ?
1228315;1438908743;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux.
1228316;1438908748;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220453 << is this still the case?
1228317;1438908748;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.
1228318;1438908756;asciilifeform;no
1228319;1438908759;ben_vulpes;mk
1228320;1438908763;asciilifeform;see log.
1228321;1438908765;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at
1228322;1438908813;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe.
1228323;1438908822;ben_vulpes;hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com
1228324;1438908845;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYvS8L0nDY << kipling's rimini, sung, even
1228325;1438908847;assbot;Leslie Fish-Rimini - Kipling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UrxP8u )
1228326;1438908851;asciilifeform;(pretty famous)
1228327;1438908859;mircea_popescu;"There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
1228328;1438908862;mircea_popescu;~Rassah"
1228329;1438908864;mircea_popescu;lol!
1228330;1438908872;ben_vulpes;aha, dulap.b-a.link
1228331;1438908889;mircea_popescu;for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever.
1228332;1438908894;mircea_popescu;even lola looks better.
1228333;1438908898;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't a name
1228334;1438908903;mircea_popescu;yes it was ?
1228335;1438908905;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but meant something like 'loudmouth'
1228336;1438908907;asciilifeform;nickname
1228337;1438908911;mircea_popescu;well sure, in greek
1228338;1438908914;pete_dushenski;!gettrust rassah
1228339;1438908914;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=rassah | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rassah/
1228340;1438908921;mircea_popescu;by the time the latins got to it... ovid had a poem
1228341;1438908931;mircea_popescu;no nm, horace had a poem, about some chick lalalage.
1228342;1438909005;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aka nosuchlabs.com
1228343;1438909057;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today.
1228344;1438909062;mircea_popescu;that film's actually quite good.
1228345;1438909097;asciilifeform;das war ein Befehl!
1228346;1438909108;pete_dushenski;http://www.minichamps.co.it/SIGNATURE/Mercedes_770_K_Pullman_1938.jpg << for anyone wondering what 'fender flags' are, see red pieces here
1228347;1438909109;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdMbIi )
1228348;1438909124;*;BingoBoingo replaces ferrocerium in firebox
1228349;1438909173;mircea_popescu;i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.
1228350;1438909188;mircea_popescu;that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...
1228351;1438909192;mircea_popescu;the definitive scene of war.
1228352;1438909361;pete_dushenski;et... je depart encore une fois. ciao !
1228353;1438909485;BingoBoingo;email http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
1228354;1438909486;assbot;Mail::RFC822::Address ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdN5oc )
1228355;1438909559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00057749 = 14.2063 BTC [+] {3} 
1228356;1438909700;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: would be lulzy if it bufferdiddles
1228357;1438909724;BingoBoingo;I am perl illiterate
1228358;1438909738;BingoBoingo;But, would be lulzy indeed
1228359;1438909852;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228079 << iirc it won't hash binaries
1228360;1438909852;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 22:01:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/
1228361;1438909857;asciilifeform;only printables!
1228362;1438909861;asciilifeform;on stdin.
1228363;1438910751;mats;association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos
1228364;1438911129;BingoBoingo;!up n6
1228365;1438911356;BingoBoingo;n6: For educational purposes only http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/os-suck
1228366;1438911358;assbot;Canonical list of operating systems that suck ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu7HST )
1228367;1438911451;mircea_popescu;o.O
1228368;1438911755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64113 @ 0.00057885 = 37.1118 BTC [+] {3} 
1228369;1438912009;BingoBoingo;"I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. � Erik Naggum"
1228370;1438912110;trinque;oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers
1228371;1438912111;BingoBoingo;Related http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
1228372;1438912112;assbot;C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9fwC1 )
1228373;1438912179;BingoBoingo;trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years
1228374;1438912189;trinque;haha
1228375;1438912223;trinque;make it a static site generator and you win
1228376;1438912243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00056554 = 12.046 BTC [-]
1228377;1438912334;BingoBoingo;trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge
1228378;1438912342;BingoBoingo;And spam filter
1228379;1438912385;trinque;interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?
1228380;1438912388;trinque;looks so
1228381;1438912395;trinque;how's that thing?
1228382;1438912502;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.
1228383;1438912569;trinque;http://werc.cat-v.org/ << actually looks like it does use the rc shell
1228384;1438912570;assbot;werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubEH5 )
1228385;1438912579;trinque;though yup, you see that around elsewhere too
1228386;1438912585;trinque;"run control" maybe?
1228387;1438912600;trinque;in the case of the init systems
1228388;1438912609;BingoBoingo;Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells
1228389;1438912629;trinque;https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/805-7228/6j6q7uepi/index.html << looks like that's a usage of rc
1228390;1438912630;assbot;Run Control Scripts (System Administration Guide, Volume 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubQWT )
1228391;1438912698;BingoBoingo;I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc
1228392;1438912704;BingoBoingo;*httpd
1228393;1438912730;trinque;could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"
1228394;1438912733;trinque;happens all the time
1228395;1438912746;BingoBoingo;trinque: Think I found it http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh
1228396;1438912747;assbot;Csh Programming Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iucdk8 )
1228397;1438912794;BingoBoingo;plan9 rc is just plan9 rc
1228398;1438913714;BingoBoingo;The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"
1228399;1438913725;BingoBoingo;!up n6
1228400;1438913727;n6;Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.
1228401;1438913746;BingoBoingo;Build something else?
1228402;1438913760;n6;Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot
1228403;1438913776;n6;asciilifeform: could you help me?
1228404;1438913787;asciilifeform;n6: whatcha doing
1228405;1438913813;n6;I need to use lilo in place of grub here http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
1228406;1438913814;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IufjEU )
1228407;1438913837;n6;I just emerged it
1228408;1438913841;trinque;n6: mang don't use lilo
1228409;1438913845;trinque;what computer are you on
1228410;1438913857;n6;amd64 desktop
1228411;1438913859;trinque;lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable
1228412;1438913863;asciilifeform;n6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LILO << cookbook
1228413;1438913864;assbot;LILO - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iufxfd )
1228414;1438913864;trinque;n6: what's the snag?
1228415;1438913875;asciilifeform;trinque: and grub you also reconfigure each time you change the kernel
1228416;1438913878;n6;I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right
1228417;1438913891;trinque;asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel
1228418;1438913898;trinque;doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?
1228419;1438913904;asciilifeform;trinque swaps kernels daily ?
1228420;1438913909;trinque;no
1228421;1438913913;trinque;yet fuck having to get a boot disk
1228422;1438913918;asciilifeform;what boot disk
1228423;1438913923;asciilifeform;run from live machine
1228424;1438913936;trinque;the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub
1228425;1438913948;asciilifeform;why should it fail
1228426;1438913979;asciilifeform;grub2 is an atrocity
1228427;1438913985;asciilifeform;what, 5x the size of therealbitcoin ?
1228428;1438913987;trinque;what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever
1228429;1438913991;asciilifeform;with own vga drivers, even
1228430;1438913995;trinque;sure sure
1228431;1438913996;asciilifeform;and miniature 32-bit os
1228432;1438914000;asciilifeform;and font renderer
1228433;1438914002;trinque;no argument here
1228434;1438914004;asciilifeform;FUCKING TRUETYPE
1228435;1438914007;asciilifeform;diediedie
1228436;1438914013;decimation;grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be
1228437;1438914022;asciilifeform;decimation: try grub2 !
1228438;1438914022;trinque;asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2
1228439;1438914030;decimation;yeah, even worse
1228440;1438914063;asciilifeform;a true victory of who mircea_popescu called 'UXers' if ever there was one.
1228441;1438914070;BingoBoingo;http://git.suckless.org/sinit
1228442;1438914071;assbot;sinit - suckless init ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugfZZ )
1228443;1438914105;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this has docs somewhere ?
1228444;1438914107;BingoBoingo;Doesn grub even fit onto a boot sector
1228445;1438914109;asciilifeform;or is one expected to read the code
1228446;1438914121;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what do you think
1228447;1438914198;BingoBoingo;http://core.suckless.org/sinit and just maybe on deviant storage devices?
1228448;1438914199;assbot;sinit - suckless init | suckless.org core - userspace foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugO5W )
1228449;1438914252;BingoBoingo;Also https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5NTI
1228450;1438914253;assbot;Another Init System: Sinit - The Suckless Init System - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iuh4lo )
1228451;1438914267;BingoBoingo;This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."
1228452;1438914366;n6;asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet
1228453;1438914377;asciilifeform;gotta start somewhere
1228454;1438914401;n6;Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.
1228455;1438914414;asciilifeform;take a break
1228456;1438914419;asciilifeform;not everyone has to do everything.
1228457;1438914424;trinque;failure is also good for you
1228458;1438914431;trinque;and is unavoidable when dealing with computers
1228459;1438914530;n6;asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?
1228460;1438914553;asciilifeform;ls -l /boot
1228461;1438914561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91650 @ 0.00057904 = 53.069 BTC [+] {3} 
1228462;1438914562;asciilifeform;(may have to  mount /boot  first
1228463;1438914563;asciilifeform;)
1228464;1438914988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056894 = 32.202 BTC [-] {2} 
1228465;1438915257;n6;All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug  6 18:32 lost+found
1228466;1438915269;n6;maybe its not mounted.
1228467;1438915352;n6;telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found
1228468;1438915481;n6;Oh i must genkernel all first sorry.
1228469;1438915537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 249622 @ 0.00058141 = 145.1327 BTC [+] {9} 
1228470;1438915667;BingoBoingo;!up n6
1228471;1438915809;BingoBoingo;http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xml_ascent.png
1228472;1438915810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy0HY7 )
1228473;1438915842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33123 @ 0.00056531 = 18.7248 BTC [-] {3} 
1228474;1438916049;BingoBoingo;http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/s-exp_vs_XML
1228475;1438916050;assbot;S-exp vs XML, by Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy1dp3 )
1228476;1438916366;BingoBoingo;Also apparently WaPo wants the person who killed HP to kill USia http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/06/carly_fiorina_the_former_hewlett_packard_ceo_won_the_kids_table_debate.html
1228477;1438916367;assbot;Carly Fiorina: The former Hewlett Packard CEO won the kids' table debate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdDk6s )
1228478;1438916500;BingoBoingo;USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypt�s President al-Sissi did�a Muslim�when he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."
1228479;1438916641;BingoBoingo;Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?
1228480;1438916775;BingoBoingo;Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.
1228481;1438916820;decimation;I'm pretty sure he's working for clitler
1228482;1438916863;BingoBoingo;decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...
1228483;1438916874;BingoBoingo;Clitler might surrender to combover
1228484;1438916883;decimation;lol
1228485;1438916946;BingoBoingo;Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary
1228486;1438917028;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes
1228487;1438917031;decimation;they want whoever will be the best circus clown for the democrats to hate upon
1228488;1438917080;BingoBoingo;decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.
1228489;1438917091;BingoBoingo;They want drama(period)
1228490;1438917241;n6;Getting End kernal panic not a syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on known-blog check
1228491;1438917252;n6;asciilifeform: sorry to keep bugging you but any ideas?
1228492;1438917279;*;asciilifeform is reading Лизюков А.И. Что надо знать воину Красной Армии о боевых приемах немцев. -М.: Воениздат НКО СССР, 1942 -- and soon to bed
1228493;1438917287;BingoBoingo;Clitler v. Combover would be a battle of $140mil+graft vs. $980mil+differentgraft
1228494;1438917346;BingoBoingo;n6: Practice on different *nic first. Install OpenBSD upgrade to stable. May have to patch bitcoind, but learn building from source in very documented way.
1228495;1438917354;decimation;I don't get the lefty case for clitler
1228496;1438917410;BingoBoingo;There isn't one.
1228497;1438917435;BingoBoingo;A true SJW would want Bernie Sanders to go "Jenner"
1228498;1438917445;decimation;yeah, that I get
1228499;1438917468;decimation;but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise
1228500;1438917472;*;BingoBoingo expects "Jenner" to get verb'd soon
1228501;1438917483;BingoBoingo;decimation: But that marketing.
1228502;1438917521;BingoBoingo;!up n6
1228503;1438917582;BingoBoingo;"kinder" Gawker Media on the day of first GOP debate https://archive.is/Qho1W
1228504;1438917584;assbot;Someone Actually Played Through All of Fallout 3 As A Baby ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdEDCf )
1228505;1438917663;n6;seems LILO is not stopping me from botting from USB
1228506;1438917672;n6;Has to be gentoo sadly
1228507;1438917692;*;BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.
1228508;1438917844;BingoBoingo;Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)
1228509;1438917910;decimation;greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats
1228510;1438917923;decimation;I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama
1228511;1438917937;decimation;but he can't be disrespected without costing popular vote
1228512;1438917972;BingoBoingo;I'm just amazed Omidyar cultured such true believers that his core would leave him to volunteer for Nick Denton
1228513;1438918016;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/
1228514;1438918017;assbot;Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUts4e )
1228515;1438918092;*;BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle
1228516;1438918138;BingoBoingo;"am Biddle
1228517;1438918138;BingoBoingo;9:54 PM
1228518;1438918138;BingoBoingo;Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"
1228519;1438918156;BingoBoingo;^ Incredilol
1228520;1438918350;BingoBoingo;I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.
1228521;1438918479;BingoBoingo;The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled
1228522;1438918611;BingoBoingo;Butt between Pareene and Greenwald abandoning Omidyar's pet for Gawker we must be able to imply where CIA favors.
1228523;1438918743;BingoBoingo;DNS is fucked. Apparently the following link works for some mongoloids http://gawker.com|gawker.com/
1228524;1438919404;BingoBoingo;!up n6
1228525;1438919425;n6;Hoping 3rd time is the charm
1228526;1438919434;n6;might try openBSD after this..
1228527;1438919577;BingoBoingo;n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"
1228528;1438919624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00058434 = 25.6817 BTC [+] {5} 
1228529;1438919746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00058517 = 26.1571 BTC [+]
1228530;1438919825;asciilifeform;http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/12/120_56715.html << vintage lulz
1228531;1438919827;assbot;Japan Tested Atomic Bomb in NK Before End of WWII? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6m7bQ )
1228532;1438920074;decimation;I thought it actually was the case that japan was close to the bomb
1228533;1438920163;decimation;http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-bomb-20150805-story.html < almost completed enrichment centrifuge
1228534;1438920165;assbot;New evidence of Japan&apos;s effort to build atom bomb at the end of WWII - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUAFRg )
1228535;1438920173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00058517 = 28.6733 BTC [+]
1228536;1438920180;decimation;so that would be a ways away, but still on track
1228537;1438920282;decimation;"On May 19, 1945, a Nazi submarine was captured and discovered to be delivering 1,200 pounds of uranium oxide to the Japanese military. "
1228538;1438920302;BingoBoingo;Japan was probably closer than Germany
1228539;1438920316;decimation;yes, that's my understanding too
1228540;1438920322;decimation;they had a separate army research program
1228541;1438920870;BingoBoingo;!up phf_mobile
1228542;1438920876;phf_mobile;thanks
1228543;1438920966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61141 @ 0.00057319 = 35.0454 BTC [-]
1228544;1438920984;BingoBoingo;Remember, in the future camels made detroit broke
1228545;1438921072;phf_mobile;n6: ben_vulpes: still having an issue getting "bitcoin/src/serialize.h:963:10: error: class member cannot be redeclared" even with your callgraph.sh, what am I missing? << you have to comment out either one of the versions of void insert function, it's either one at 963 or 951. they are identical, but i'm sure they are there for some legacy type signature reasons
1228546;1438921144;n6;Thanks I will look at that after my 3rd gentoo install attempt
1228547;1438921393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10556 @ 0.00057319 = 6.0506 BTC [-]
1228548;1438921402;phf_mobile;i have a mac os x patch, but as i recall that's the only change required, and since i don't understand the implications, i didn't post it. it works when building with clang, but needs investigation why duplicate function to begin with
1228549;1438921815;BingoBoingo;"Me Kind Arab" - Why did I not watch Mad Max earlier
1228550;1438922027;BingoBoingo;"Thunderdome"
1228551;1438922161;BingoBoingo;"We want Thunderdome"
1228552;1438922317;BingoBoingo;"dying time's here"
1228553;1438923162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00058243 = 2.3297 BTC [+]
1228554;1438923711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55964 @ 0.00057319 = 32.078 BTC [-] {3} 
1228555;1438923726;mircea_popescu;lol django girls meetup.
1228556;1438923746;mircea_popescu;i suppose the equivalent would be going to pre-childbearing classes and asking them how many are goddesses.
1228557;1438923820;trinque;haha
1228558;1438923825;mircea_popescu;<trinque> n6: mang don't use lilo << you know he just got advised to run lilo few hours back right here in our very own b-a.
1228559;1438923842;mircea_popescu;we fucking need that holy distro already, stop frustrating innocent people's legitimate attempts.
1228560;1438923842;mats;http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/08/04/australia-build-new-naval-fleet-65b-package/31107267/
1228561;1438923844;assbot;Australia To Build New Naval Fleet in $65B Package ... ( http://bit.ly/1IMf7A6 )
1228562;1438923850;trinque;thought poor mod6 was trying to standardize a process
1228563;1438923871;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> we fucking need that holy distro already, stop frustrating innocent people's legitimate attempts. << Suckless hasn't finished sta.li yet
1228564;1438923876;trinque;he had asked for the gentoo guide.
1228565;1438923888;mircea_popescu;so he had.
1228566;1438923899;mircea_popescu;so far his experience sounds a lot like mine.
1228567;1438923964;trinque;yeah, it's certainly not great
1228568;1438923967;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1228569;1438923971;n6;I'm still running into the same error here "grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory."
1228570;1438923973;BingoBoingo;So far it seems learnign curve for building whole OS is XBSD, Buildroot, Gentoo
1228571;1438924004;BingoBoingo;Also what is up with Mel Gibson and half nekkid children
1228572;1438924019;mircea_popescu;n6 well do you have that .sh anywhere ?
1228573;1438924040;n6;the callgraph one?
1228574;1438924077;n6;oh Im not even sure what your asking here.
1228575;1438924101;trinque;n6: my bad if I was demotivating you; I thought sticking to the guide strictly was the best way through
1228576;1438924107;mircea_popescu;modinfo.sh
1228577;1438924146;n6;mircea_popescu: How can I find out?
1228578;1438924152;mircea_popescu;does it exist and so you got a path problem, or does it not exist so you got a failed to build problem
1228579;1438924164;mircea_popescu;well i dunno, but in worst case find / -iname modinfo.sh ?
1228580;1438924173;n6;trinque: this guide went much better then yesterday with aws
1228581;1438924190;mircea_popescu;"did it work ?" "oh, no, but it failed more pleasantly"
1228582;1438924202;trinque;it is a trail of tears
1228583;1438924215;*;BingoBoingo imagines if president trump is that Trilema.com will complain more about the president being a nigger
1228584;1438924246;n6;I found it.. thanks for the help.
1228585;1438924300;mircea_popescu;ok, so did you find it in /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ ?
1228586;1438924319;n6;no but I couldn't get efi to build.
1228587;1438924323;n6;only works with PC
1228588;1438924325;n6;pc*
1228589;1438924326;mircea_popescu;that's your problem thenm
1228590;1438924331;mircea_popescu;no efi built no sh
1228591;1438924350;n6;How do I build efi?
1228592;1438924350;mircea_popescu;hey, you wouldn't be trying to build a 64 bit thing on a 32 bit machine would you ?
1228593;1438924360;n6;only the first 3 times.
1228594;1438924420;n6;What do I need to change to get it work?
1228595;1438924437;trinque;n6: that var referencing grub
1228596;1438924439;trinque;lemme see
1228597;1438924462;trinque;well did you go with lilo? because that would then be elilo
1228598;1438924477;n6;no i'm going to stick with the guide and do grub
1228599;1438924489;trinque;mircea_popescu: this is where it's sorta hard to mask the essential complexity if the thing without making decisions for people
1228600;1438924501;trinque;either I tell the guy set compatibility mode in the bios or I say get another boot loader
1228601;1438924503;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo srsly, an itunes gift card ?
1228602;1438924504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24976 @ 0.00056825 = 14.1926 BTC [-] {2} 
1228603;1438924507;hanbot;;;later tell mod6 auto.sh successfully installed v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (boost downloaded automagically this run). will put together a recounting of steps and all, and move on to patching my way to stator.
1228604;1438924507;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1228605;1438924524;mircea_popescu;i should start a liveblabla gift free blowjobs.
1228606;1438924529;mircea_popescu;gotta be better than ishit.
1228607;1438924532;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "laundering" for sure. I mean private digital currency.
1228608;1438924575;mircea_popescu;lol
1228609;1438924606;trinque;n6: if going down the efi route, you will have to take instruction from https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#UEFI_with_GPT
1228610;1438924608;assbot;GRUB2 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPZRas )
1228611;1438924610;n6;what bootload will get this working right now and not lead to a 4th install
1228612;1438924622;trinque;n6: switching to "CSM" mode in the efi settings
1228613;1438924630;n6;how?
1228614;1438924652;trinque;there's some key when you first boot up to get into the settings, enter on mine
1228615;1438924656;mircea_popescu;mats the south china sea is a headache innit now.
1228616;1438924750;n6;so my options are a 4th install with a bios setting or a 4th install?
1228617;1438924751;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You mean SCC isn an init?
1228618;1438924787;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1228619;1438924803;mats;mircea_popescu: and USG is powerless to project power.
1228620;1438924817;mircea_popescu;it's waning, that's for sure.
1228621;1438924818;BingoBoingo;South China Sea. It's been reduced to an init system.
1228622;1438924836;mats;carrier groups are formidable, sure, but DoD is well aware of their vulnerability
1228623;1438924842;mircea_popescu;no idea why the aussies are trying to go after the proved-to-fail system (ships) instead of outright copying the chiense (missile batteries) but hey.
1228624;1438924850;mircea_popescu;"jubs in teh sector" or some bs
1228625;1438924855;mats;a few well placed ATGMs, and everyone goes home
1228626;1438924873;mircea_popescu;moreover : china has proved its ability to build 1k powerplants/year
1228627;1438924891;BingoBoingo;South China Seas is roughly equivalent right now to linking war.o
1228628;1438924900;mircea_popescu;it can churn out 100k of the damned things. there's no defending against missiles if "missiles" means, six digit moving items
1228629;1438924935;mircea_popescu;aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is"
1228630;1438925175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82400 @ 0.00058427 = 48.1438 BTC [+] {6} 
1228631;1438925365;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is" << I honestly have no idea what the limit is becasue seekrits.
1228632;1438925435;n6;trinque: I still cant get modinfo.sh in an efi folder after changing grub_platforms file and emerge grub again
1228633;1438925439;mircea_popescu;practically speaking, even a dozen requires a veteran crew.
1228634;1438925468;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/cbe3d27397c539e03f18d110f71c6347/tumblr_nldrmedQ7f1rwaupfo1_r1_500.gif
1228635;1438925469;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IMh7bn )
1228636;1438925577;trinque;n6: the guide you followed did not account at all for EFI
1228637;1438925594;trinque;in the EFI case there's even another partition you must have
1228638;1438925636;trinque;the CSM thing I suggested is a way of setting EFI computers into a compatibility mode that behaves like BIOS
1228639;1438925666;n6;trinque: what will it take for me to not have to make a 4th install here. I read your links still don't understand, last time I went without this step it ended poorly.
1228640;1438925717;trinque;you don't have to trash the whole thing; merely reboot, set CSM, boot the livecd, mount, and chroot again
1228641;1438925738;trinque;but first you must figure out where you changed the system to support EFI and change it back
1228642;1438925765;n6;so the grub_platform? or you mean another place?
1228643;1438925801;trinque;GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc"
1228644;1438925813;trinque;sorry wrong one, one sec
1228645;1438925821;trinque;nvm, I am right
1228646;1438925836;trinque;this is in /etc/portage/make.conf
1228647;1438925839;BingoBoingo;n6: Given a choice at all BIOS is prolly less horribru
1228648;1438925881;trinque;these vars are confusing, because they are split, making them appear to be separate categories
1228649;1438925897;trinque;most actually just enable some USE flags
1228650;1438925902;trinque;maybe prefixed with something
1228651;1438925903;BingoBoingo;!up n6
1228652;1438925908;n6;I changed it back to "pc" but mircea_popescu said that was, 32 bits I have 64?
1228653;1438925919;n6;so I do this 32 bits then edit the bios?
1228654;1438925919;trinque;those were separate concerns
1228655;1438925922;trinque;no
1228656;1438925927;trinque;guide is for 64bit
1228657;1438925928;mircea_popescu;separate concerns.
1228658;1438925933;trinque;if you have a 64bit computer, cool
1228659;1438925943;trinque;change that var then:
1228660;1438925949;trinque;emerge -avDN @world
1228661;1438925964;trinque;ask, verbose, deep, new-use
1228662;1438925968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00057911 = 20.7321 BTC [-]
1228663;1438925974;trinque;man emerge for more detail
1228664;1438926155;BingoBoingo;Neither enough nor sufficient concerns
1228665;1438926170;trinque;n6: so do you get what we did there?
1228666;1438926205;trinque;changed a setting in portage then told emerge to re-evaluate the currenty set list of desired packages (world) according to them
1228667;1438926208;trinque;*currently
1228668;1438926211;n6;No, trying to work out where I go next, lost my place in the guide now
1228669;1438926303;n6;I still only have /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh
1228670;1438926335;trinque;what's the matter with that? you're going to set CSM
1228671;1438926368;trinque;you have no need for EFI; I wouldn't bother
1228672;1438926467;trinque;n6: try this:
1228673;1438926473;trinque;grub2-install --target i386-pc
1228674;1438926480;n6;ok
1228675;1438926489;n6;tells me grub2-install: error: install device isn't specified.
1228676;1438926502;trinque;what's your hard drive, sda?
1228677;1438926524;n6;I don't know
1228678;1438926540;trinque;n6: remember the partitioning step?
1228679;1438926556;trinque;try   ls /dev/sda
1228680;1438926559;n6;No I bought it built
1228681;1438926571;n6;bash: /dev/sda: Permission denied
1228682;1438926576;n6;oh i am sda
1228683;1438926591;trinque;ok.    grub2-install /dev/sda
1228684;1438926601;trinque;and if that doesn't work, try with the target flag in there too
1228685;1438926658;trinque;which if it isn't what I put, it's "pc"
1228686;1438926675;trinque;one of the major sources of pain in setting up linux this way is having different things which sound almost the same
1228687;1438926687;trinque;how does grub refer to the system architecture? how does ....
1228688;1438926723;n6;rub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. is what im getting.
1228689;1438926745;n6;wait i might have --target in the wrong place
1228690;1438926757;trinque;somehow you got it to double up the path bizarrely
1228691;1438926831;n6;Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo
1228692;1438926851;n6;and I still yet to get anything work.
1228693;1438926876;trinque;mircea_popescu: perhaps this calls for a video.
1228694;1438926883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00058526 = 31.604 BTC [+] {3} 
1228695;1438926915;trinque;or one of those terminal recording utils
1228696;1438926930;trinque;n6: sounds like you've been hamstrung between efi and CSM (fake bios)
1228697;1438926957;n6;Do they come with backdoors also?
1228698;1438926958;trinque;your grub may have all kinds of knobs twiddled depending on what you did to try efi
1228699;1438926966;trinque;does what come with back doors?
1228700;1438926973;n6;my fake bios
1228701;1438927007;trinque;your everything has back doors
1228702;1438927017;trinque;or who knows; I don't have evidence
1228703;1438927025;trinque;but this decision wont help you in either case
1228704;1438927075;trinque;because in both cases it'd be because of a flaw, and neither you nor I know of the particular flaws in your firmware
1228705;1438927084;n6;I think only edited the grub_platform file to try efi
1228706;1438927110;trinque;the other place you might've would've been /etc/defaults/grub
1228707;1438927120;trinque;rather, default
1228708;1438927135;trinque;but that appears to pertain to the generation of grub's config, not its installation
1228709;1438927140;n6;ls: cannot access /etc/defaults/grub: No such file or directory
1228710;1438927156;trinque;yeah, I was wrong about the plural
1228711;1438927193;n6;I don't have anything in this folder
1228712;1438927237;trinque;so put your whole contents of your terminal after running grub2-install on dpaste.com
1228713;1438927257;n6;How?
1228714;1438927272;n6;er
1228715;1438927290;n6;http://dpaste.com/32BGXMC
1228716;1438927291;assbot;dpaste: 32BGXMC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0DiP )
1228717;1438927356;trinque;n6: did you run that emerge command?
1228718;1438927363;trinque;it's still asking for efi things
1228719;1438927384;n6;I think so let me try again what was it?
1228720;1438927391;BingoBoingo;Err- Insufficient Blood for Blood God
1228721;1438927399;trinque;lol
1228722;1438927431;trinque;cat /dev/suffering > /dev/null
1228723;1438927446;trinque;n6: emerge -avDN @world
1228724;1438927461;trinque;and take note of what changes it wants to make before saying yes
1228725;1438927480;n6;Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB
1228726;1438927504;trinque;ok so on my end I'm on efi
1228727;1438927509;trinque;if I add pc to grub platforms
1228728;1438927514;BingoBoingo;<trinque> cat /dev/suffering > /dev/null ;;err suffering can not be null
1228729;1438927543;trinque;but it can happen in a cruel, uncaring void
1228730;1438927547;trinque;such as gentoo
1228731;1438927554;n6;trinque: i'm on pc
1228732;1438927566;trinque;yes, yet grub2-install wants efi stuff
1228733;1438927579;n6;who made this?
1228734;1438927579;trinque;we are trying to discover why
1228735;1438927586;trinque;a horrible economic process.
1228736;1438927599;n6;what about funtoo?
1228737;1438927615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63751 @ 0.0005855 = 37.3262 BTC [+] {3} 
1228738;1438927618;trinque;same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier
1228739;1438927641;trinque;he's the original guy iirc but the difference between the distros is not much
1228740;1438927684;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: cascadianhacker.com/367850.pcap
1228741;1438927728;trinque;n6: http://dpaste.com/0TJDC97.txt
1228742;1438927729;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa1ccg )
1228743;1438927740;trinque;so that's what mine looks like when adding pc
1228744;1438927742;trinque;!up n6
1228745;1438927746;trinque;so you are already on it
1228746;1438927760;ben_vulpes;aha i showed up in the middle of a gentoo quest i see
1228747;1438927761;trinque;so we at least now rule out that the wrong variant of the package is installed.
1228748;1438927768;trinque;ben_vulpes: I've got my winch
1228749;1438927809;trinque;n6: try this
1228750;1438927817;trinque;grub2-install --target=pc /dev/sda
1228751;1438927830;n6;grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or
1228752;1438927838;n6;wait
1228753;1438927845;trinque;n6: dpaste    ls /usr/lib/grub/*
1228754;1438927891;n6;http://dpaste.com/1ZEAZ7X
1228755;1438927893;assbot;dpaste: 1ZEAZ7X ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa1kJ5 )
1228756;1438927920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63623 @ 0.00058305 = 37.0954 BTC [-]
1228757;1438927923;ben_vulpes;trinque: but do you have a v8 and the electrical system to drive the thing
1228758;1438927942;trinque;just a bad starter on this one
1228759;1438927951;trinque;dropped in installation maybe
1228760;1438927956;ben_vulpes;ksh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shewm
1228761;1438927962;ben_vulpes;ksh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shewm
1228762;1438927992;trinque;n6: i386-pc
1228763;1438928005;n6;trinque: yea?
1228764;1438928010;trinque;I think last time you put the whole path?
1228765;1438928014;trinque;try just that
1228766;1438928046;n6;um, I'm lost again.
1228767;1438928056;trinque;grub2-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda
1228768;1438928079;n6;seems to have worked.
1228769;1438928083;trinque;by god
1228770;1438928087;trinque;n6: cool!
1228771;1438928089;trinque;and well done
1228772;1438928098;n6;I still have to flip the bios
1228773;1438928102;trinque;yep
1228774;1438928103;BingoBoingo;<trinque> same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier << funtoo is actually gentoo with only OG dev's opinions
1228775;1438928106;ben_vulpes;does the character now have a spaceship?
1228776;1438928112;n6;do I need   grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
1228777;1438928119;trinque;n6: yup, finish up the guide
1228778;1438928135;trinque;built the kernel?
1228779;1438928135;ben_vulpes;<trinque> oh yeah? go to the portland django girls << you've actually done this?!
1228780;1438928145;trinque;shit no, I just know some derps
1228781;1438928149;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: You ever interview peeps for a customer service job before?
1228782;1438928167;ben_vulpes;in the sense that everything the shop does is customer service...
1228783;1438928170;ben_vulpes;reacharounds
1228784;1438928174;ben_vulpes;half and halfs
1228785;1438928176;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah just didn't want to diverge him from the guide again
1228786;1438928188;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Sing me songs of of success
1228787;1438928189;n6;trinque: doing that now brb.
1228788;1438928196;trinque;mircea_popescu: mod6: this leads me to believe that the default for grub has changed
1228789;1438928201;ben_vulpes;gentle mumblings while i slide the 14-incher in
1228790;1438928208;BingoBoingo;Grub, Grub always changes
1228791;1438928228;ben_vulpes;iono bb i ask questions i don't answer them
1228792;1438928237;trinque;yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode
1228793;1438928243;trinque;as elilo development has apparently died
1228794;1438928264;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Assume your skull was rendered the consistency of rice pudding with a tack hammer, what would you immagine looking for in customer service folk?
1228795;1438928286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24782 @ 0.0005857 = 14.5148 BTC [+]
1228796;1438928299;ben_vulpes;...
1228797;1438928300;BingoBoingo;<trinque> yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode << More likely switch to bootstrap
1228798;1438928342;trinque;BingoBoingo: link?
1228799;1438928359;trinque;but that's a good example of a decision a n00b doesn't need to know exists
1228800;1438928366;BingoBoingo;make kernel.c, make install, make clean???
1228801;1438928384;trinque;I missed what you're talking about is all
1228802;1438928393;trinque;there's a bootloader called bootstrap?
1228803;1438928409;BingoBoingo;trinque: Ah bootstrap is the whole linux alf recommends
1228804;1438928410;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i'm not a derpy bureaucrat, i eat derpy bureaucrats for lunch
1228805;1438928429;trinque;BingoBoingo: oh right, and in fact I pondered that too
1228806;1438928437;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Any insight into what they like. I'm asking for the cause of bleeding some fiat off of Illinois.
1228807;1438928461;ben_vulpes;go in, be humble, pretend to be magnificently stupid and rule-followy while still somewhat savvy
1228808;1438928468;ben_vulpes;"yes massa", in another age
1228809;1438928469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.000587 = 46.96 BTC [+] {2} 
1228810;1438928478;BingoBoingo;trinque: But for a build your first *nix Upgrading OpenBSd to -stable seems best documented
1228811;1438928479;trinque;BingoBoingo: buildroot you meant, right?
1228812;1438928490;BingoBoingo;Is that what it's called
1228813;1438928539;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> "yes massa", in another age << How many weeks do you think I can pull off black face for that affirmative action. I think I might be able to do the six months it takes for Da Union to kick in, but...
1228814;1438928563;trinque;I think what happened here is that grub may have switched the default target
1228815;1438928578;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: notrly my problem
1228816;1438928611;trinque;if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed
1228817;1438928621;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Just seeking you insight as an upstanding 'Murican employer
1228818;1438928623;trinque;this causes a problem in the opposite direction when versions disappear from gentoo
1228819;1438928645;ben_vulpes;<n6> might try openBSD after this.. << openbsd, an os that doesn't take much fucking with where bitcoin might actually build with vs gentoo where its known to build but the os cannot be built by mortals.
1228820;1438928647;ben_vulpes;what a conundrum.
1228821;1438928654;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: upstanding?!
1228822;1438928654;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU
1228823;1438928655;assbot;homicide da union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa29kS )
1228824;1438928658;ben_vulpes; BingoBoingo: me?!
1228825;1438928668;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Aren't you?
1228826;1438928678;ben_vulpes;by whose metrics?
1228827;1438928682;trinque;I seent him standing up once
1228828;1438928687;trinque;twice even
1228829;1438928696;trinque;n6: how goes?
1228830;1438928697;ben_vulpes;trinque: you've only ever seen me halfway keeled over under a boozeload
1228831;1438928701;trinque;wahaha
1228832;1438928702;n6;still waiting...
1228833;1438928706;BingoBoingo;That's a good question
1228834;1438928731;*;ben_vulpes off to sing at the wee gestational bairn
1228835;1438928776;trinque;is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?
1228836;1438928783;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^
1228837;1438928787;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM
1228838;1438928788;assbot;FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa2ggz )
1228839;1438928795;trinque;boot livecd, use dd, reboot
1228840;1438928817;BingoBoingo;trinque: No, because filesystems need drivers
1228841;1438928835;trinque;BingoBoingo: sure, just ship a kernel with all modules built and an initrd
1228842;1438928842;trinque;livecd does the same
1228843;1438928857;trinque;as do the ubuntus and debians
1228844;1438928912;trinque;I also already have tooling that shits out these disk images.
1228845;1438928942;trinque;sounds like syslinux with dd on it and the thing could even be a script that says hi, which drive do you want me to obliterate?
1228846;1438928959;trinque;you hit a number, dd runs and it reboots
1228847;1438928961;trinque;easy
1228848;1438929134;BingoBoingo;FUCK COYOTES
1228849;1438929165;n6;I still need grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
1228850;1438929178;trinque;n6: yeah do everything the guide says
1228851;1438929191;trinque;that one makes the grub config file
1228852;1438929215;BingoBoingo;I go outside to piss on the runty rose bush to give it much needed nitrogen and coyote darts out from behind my own motorcarriage an nips me on the shin.
1228853;1438929230;BingoBoingo;Now I gotta dig a hole.
1228854;1438929230;n6;wish my luck going to flip the bios
1228855;1438929272;BingoBoingo;Fucking wild dogs that think they are small dogs ruining my chill weekday drinking night.
1228856;1438929281;trinque;fuck that
1228857;1438929311;n6;works,
1228858;1438929321;trinque;n6: hey good job
1228859;1438929349;trinque;you've got a computer that's quite useful for development now
1228860;1438929492;BingoBoingo;*All lines tonight were "acting" per http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning
1228861;1438929494;assbot;The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa319h )
1228862;1438929567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00058706 = 21.1048 BTC [+] {2} 
1228863;1438929572;trinque;!up n6
1228864;1438929581;n6;but im so beat down
1228865;1438929609;n6;How would someone get gentoo installed without this level of support?
1228866;1438929624;BingoBoingo;Whips?
1228867;1438929637;trinque;I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't
1228868;1438929652;trinque;I'm thinking a screen recording of the whole process would be helpful
1228869;1438929699;punkman;n6, I usually give up long before
1228870;1438929723;BingoBoingo;Nao hospitals have cranes for FUPA https://slimgur.com/image/AM7
1228871;1438929725;assbot;Screenshot 2015 07 26 19 36 38 - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa3fNL )
1228872;1438929783;trinque;I think it took me days to install gentoo the first time
1228873;1438929791;trinque;17hrs isn't an awful score
1228874;1438929819;trinque;"put together this car engine"
1228875;1438929829;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/07/70f31e0a53765ba8ee7b4e198427d368.jpg
1228876;1438929831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa3pob )
1228877;1438929857;trinque;haha
1228878;1438929886;BingoBoingo;Shit /= Chocolate
1228879;1438929890;trinque;BingoBoingo: I depressed the shit out of myself listening to a Trump speech earlier
1228880;1438929908;BingoBoingo;trinque: WHy do you think I drink?
1228881;1438929910;trinque;idiots are going to eat up his pandering tough guy act
1228882;1438929916;trinque;I see him as viable
1228883;1438929938;trinque;look what the real estate bubble farted up
1228884;1438929986;BingoBoingo;He's no more viable than the coyote I may or may not have kicked int he face in this past hour for the same reasons. He neck isn't strong. One swift kick to the neck and his head is in the wrong place.
1228885;1438930007;trinque;I don't think for a moment that anyone outside the US will buy his act
1228886;1438930017;trinque;he makes us look really weak
1228887;1438930044;BingoBoingo;He looks really weak.
1228888;1438930062;BingoBoingo;If he skips his aspirin he could clot out.
1228889;1438930141;BingoBoingo;But as I said earlier media is proposing a Trump vs. Killed HP contest
1228890;1438930887;punkman;https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/ << got a buddy that's getting ready to move to Sweden, utterly convinced their shit doesn't stink, "advanced society", etc.
1228891;1438930889;assbot;Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdHL48 )
1228892;1438930962;BingoBoingo;"Nordic System" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LVl7ypltWU
1228893;1438930962;assbot;World's Heaviest Woman Attempts To Lose Weight To Wed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa4GM6 )
1228894;1438931025;trinque;mod6: since grub is slow moving, might want to peg the guide to the current release with emerge =sys-boot/grub-2.02_beta2-r7 (or earlier) and use http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-08-2015#1228767
1228895;1438931025;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:14:16; trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda
1228896;1438931223;BingoBoingo;"Nordic System" https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/22/686ebb483d98518be5e0e15cdd6a760f.jpg
1228897;1438931225;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmLtvg )
1228898;1438931274;trinque;mod6: might also benefit from mentioning CSM on newer computers
1228899;1438931276;punkman;and an anecdote from Belgium. Greek woman's parents, mined/shoveled coal. Greek woman was maid in hotel, a little later worked the hotel bar. She gets pregnant, goes on leave. When leave is over, manager helpfully fires her so he can spend time with kid and claim unemployment benefits.
1228900;1438931444;punkman;Later, gets job offer through unemployment office. Manager asks if she has kids, oh you do? and you like them? naturally I won't hire you, so you can keep collecting unemployment. Next job, didn't look so great, she complains asks for different one. As the years pass, fewer job offers to fend off.
1228901;1438931454;punkman;Old woman, still on unemployment now.
1228902;1438931525;mats;genius.
1228903;1438932114;punkman;Oldest son works the Big Four mines. Not rich, but paying off the loans for a couple apartment buildings.
1228904;1438932167;punkman;I'm guessing the cycle will be complete next generation.
1228905;1438932629;trinque;!up n6
1228906;1438932922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27090 @ 0.00058654 = 15.8894 BTC [-] {2} 
1228907;1438932983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28372 @ 0.00058305 = 16.5423 BTC [-]
1228908;1438933715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00058305 = 10.643 BTC [-]
1228909;1438933837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147469 @ 0.00058155 = 85.7606 BTC [-] {3} 
1228910;1438934142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164584 @ 0.00056136 = 92.3909 BTC [-] {5} 
1228911;1438934874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00058716 = 22.8112 BTC [+] {2} 
1228912;1438935240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00058717 = 23.1932 BTC [+]
1228913;1438936277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68887 @ 0.00057102 = 39.3359 BTC [-] {3} 
1228914;1438936399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18706 @ 0.00058717 = 10.9836 BTC [+]
1228915;1438938047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00056078 = 13.5148 BTC [-]
1228916;1438938473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5071 @ 0.00056047 = 2.8421 BTC [-] {3} 
1228917;1438938839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00058306 = 18.4538 BTC [+]
1228918;1438939754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00057839 = 17.6987 BTC [-]
1228919;1438940181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142292 @ 0.00057057 = 81.1875 BTC [-] {3} 
1228920;1438941035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00058306 = 63.0579 BTC [+]
1228921;1438941462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23947 @ 0.00058306 = 13.9625 BTC [+]
1228922;1438941767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00058306 = 37.1409 BTC [+] {3} 
1228923;1438942682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126860 @ 0.00058252 = 73.8985 BTC [-] {8} 
1228924;1438942743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96143 @ 0.00056046 = 53.8843 BTC [-]
1228925;1438943109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00056046 = 31.3858 BTC [-] {3} 
1228926;1438944818;shinohai;More FF woes: http://gizmodo.com/theres-a-firefox-exploit-in-the-wild-you-should-update-1722658068?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
1228927;1438944819;assbot;There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )
1228928;1438944939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00056338 = 30.7605 BTC [+]
1228929;1438945065;chetty;update right now!!! red flag for me, don't do it!
1228930;1438945183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00056338 = 24.1408 BTC [+]
1228931;1438945632;shinohai;I am sure that update that was rushed out totally fixes all problems. You can trust us!
1228932;1438947257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00057792 = 16.4707 BTC [+]
1228933;1438947706;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226699 <<< i sit down with a beer on a friday night after a long hard week to catch up on logs and /r/coontown :\
1228934;1438947706;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 01:16:51; BingoBoingo: Oh, so /r/coontown was banned
1228935;1438948592;shinohai;cazalla: I think they are on voat somewhere, /v/niggers if memory serves ...
1228936;1438948804;shinohai;Wait, there is a /v/coontown too
1228937;1438948881;cazalla;too much effort shinohai, voat isn't that lulzy, it is just the more dedicated post 24/7 nigger hate type of shit
1228938;1438948950;shinohai;I haven't made up my mind yet if I care about voat enough to keep participating.
1228939;1438949331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00057162 = 49.1307 BTC [-] {3} 
1228940;1438949514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00058838 = 36.4207 BTC [+] {4} 
1228941;1438949880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245850 @ 0.00059168 = 145.4645 BTC [+] {7} 
1228942;1438951283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229200 @ 0.00059339 = 136.005 BTC [+] {10} 
1228943;1438952686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00059387 = 61.3765 BTC [+]
1228944;1438952898;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo Haz you ever tried this browser? https://github.com/The-Compiler/qutebrowser
1228945;1438952899;assbot;The-Compiler/qutebrowser · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXqygv )
1228946;1438952899;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1228947;1438953210;mircea_popescu;<n6> Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo << take your picture with your sad face next to a screen with gentoo failing on it, i'll pay you 0.1 BTC. just to prove a point.
1228948;1438953217;mircea_popescu;and just you, i don't wanna be fucking bankrupt over here.
1228949;1438953248;kakobrekla;l0l
1228950;1438953340;shinohai;:D
1228951;1438953381;shinohai;My only failure this week seems to be eulora, which I intend to remedy by not running on a shitty laptop.
1228952;1438953699;mircea_popescu;should work.
1228953;1438953724;mircea_popescu;shinohai no but i just feel for the guy, gentoo is the last thing that made me want to burn the world, and through a very similar process as he describes.
1228954;1438953767;shinohai;I value my sanity which is why I just stick to Debian mainly.
1228955;1438953967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00058571 = 24.307 BTC [-]
1228956;1438954017;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228808 << so your "Eating for breakfast" saying does after all have a figurative meaning, just not the one commonly used. more in the vein of http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rkzvquKC1r83bj4o1_r2_1280.jpg
1228957;1438954017;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:21:08; ben_vulpes: "yes massa", in another age
1228958;1438954020;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXsa9Y )
1228959;1438954028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115979 @ 0.00059608 = 69.1328 BTC [+] {6} 
1228960;1438954046;shinohai;^ Breakfast at La Serenissma hotel
1228961;1438954084;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228816 << notice where this is headed.
1228962;1438954084;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:23:31; trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed
1228963;1438954089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00057851 = 18.0495 BTC [-] {2} 
1228964;1438954134;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835 << aha. shoot the concept of "updates" in the head.
1228965;1438954134;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:26:16; trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?
1228966;1438954150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64772 @ 0.00057489 = 37.2368 BTC [-] {4} 
1228967;1438954150;mircea_popescu;fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.
1228968;1438954159;mircea_popescu;i want an os made out of fucking pipes.
1228969;1438954204;mircea_popescu;"everything that runs on this machine is fifty lines of code or less. one display page."
1228970;1438954211;mircea_popescu;"so what do you do ?!"
1228971;1438954223;mircea_popescu;this | that | tee | here & there.
1228972;1438954330;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228860 << if you actually got bit by a coyote you must go get your rabies shots right now. the chickenshits don't dare attack humans, especially not adult males or when they're alone.
1228973;1438954330;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:38:12; BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning
1228974;1438954333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51850 @ 0.00057464 = 29.7951 BTC [-]
1228975;1438954349;chetty;fifty lines of code or less// so why even bother with a computer, just do it all in your head
1228976;1438954367;shinohai;I just read that artice earlier this morning. Twas quite good.
1228977;1438954373;mircea_popescu;chetty i can dream!
1228978;1438954437;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228873 << oh get the fuck out. making a baby takes half an hour tops. what is this!
1228979;1438954437;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:43:11; trinque: 17hrs isn't an awful score
1228980;1438954455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00057438 = 19.9597 BTC [-] {3} 
1228981;1438954528;mircea_popescu;punkman he's probably in it for the titties. until he discovers some discoveries. which is in the end the point of both travel and being a young male.
1228982;1438954558;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228967 << how is this not the same ?
1228983;1438954558;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:10; mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.
1228984;1438954585;mircea_popescu;it is it is.
1228985;1438954592;mircea_popescu;BUT I GOTTA BRAND IT!
1228986;1438954595;asciilifeform;l0l
1228987;1438954599;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228968 << you just described the dataflow box, aha
1228988;1438954599;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:19; mircea_popescu: i want an os made out of fucking pipes.
1228989;1438954619;mircea_popescu;may i grow up into an adult as a personal process and in my own terms ? huh ? HUH ???
1228990;1438954656;asciilifeform;(even bad old unix can satisfy if inserted into orifice correctly, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228190 )
1228991;1438954656;assbot;Logged on 06-08-2015 23:24:40; ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
1228992;1438954664;mircea_popescu;quite.
1228993;1438954681;mircea_popescu;it's one of the precursors. i saw that and i went "fucking hell, pipes. again. the solution."
1228994;1438954699;asciilifeform;seriez of tooobz
1228995;1438954809;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228902 << it actually works, economically.
1228996;1438954809;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 07:12:05; mats: genius.
1228997;1438954854;mircea_popescu;i know pretty much everyone here is very down on the whole concept, and perhaps you're right. but in point of fact, that thinking is at least in part supported by refusal to consider the plain fact that THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.
1228998;1438954866;asciilifeform;^
1228999;1438954872;mircea_popescu;computers replaced secretaries. drones replaced soldiers. robots replaced coal miners. better detergents replaced the maid.
1229000;1438954879;asciilifeform;(or most anyone...)
1229001;1438954896;mircea_popescu;other than stay the fuck at home and have babies, or else go to the bar and dance (the vertical bar ; nude dance) there is jack for her to do.
1229002;1438954926;mircea_popescu;this entire "monkey with electric typerwriter" pseudo-occupation play-pretend-job that unites gawker, reddit and 4chan is NOT IN FACT WORK
1229003;1438954939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is, this used to be handled by being kept as pet
1229004;1438954945;mircea_popescu;it's play-pretend work, for the intellectually immature girlies not yet ready to make their own dolls, still playing with barbie
1229005;1438954956;mircea_popescu;and thinking making a bit of plastic "go naked to tea party" is a big todo
1229006;1438954971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it still is. who wants most people as pets ? not even the coyotes.
1229007;1438954978;asciilifeform;point
1229008;1438954980;chetty;some very limited thinking going on here
1229009;1438954987;asciilifeform;?
1229010;1438955032;chetty;THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.// or men
1229011;1438955072;asciilifeform;aha, did say.
1229012;1438955089;asciilifeform;in fact this is readily observable
1229013;1438955611;Adlai;drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles
1229014;1438955651;asciilifeform;what even is this 'replaced.' nobody cancelled old-fashioned soldiering.
1229015;1438955673;Adlai;the classic soldier is about as useful as the classic knight
1229016;1438955680;mircea_popescu;Adlai no jobsworth could ever replace soldiers.
1229017;1438955684;mircea_popescu;the job of soldier has ended.
1229018;1438955686;asciilifeform;and what, we're to believe that satellite-controlled airplanes replace men ?
1229019;1438955692;mircea_popescu;the soldier himself is as eternal as dirt.
1229020;1438955717;Adlai;"soldier" isn't over, but he can accomplish a lot more from much closer to the AC unit
1229021;1438955724;mircea_popescu;but the original, socialistoid, eisenhowerian proposition that "soldiering's a job - full employment!" died in a pool of its own lye.
1229022;1438955727;mircea_popescu;chetty especially men.
1229023;1438955739;mircea_popescu;it's just, nobody cares about men, women people still care about.
1229024;1438955802;Adlai;until some gaytheist alchemist figures out how to turn jizz into stem cells
1229025;1438955817;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's reproduction based.
1229026;1438955827;mircea_popescu;i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.
1229027;1438955839;Adlai;thus, 'gaytheist'
1229028;1438955873;mircea_popescu;just like "the classical antiquity" seems to have made such excellent bronzes mostly because only the excellent ones survived the 9000+ cases where "must melt all bronze to make weapons".
1229029;1438955879;mircea_popescu;people necessarily sort in a situation like that.
1229030;1438955894;Adlai; "gaytheist, adj: caring for neither beauty nor divinity"
1229031;1438955899;mircea_popescu;o.O
1229032;1438955906;chetty;<mircea_popescu> i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.// thats a male point of view, I prefer male aesthetics myself
1229033;1438955927;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1229034;1438955984;mircea_popescu;Adlai the only thing he can accomplish there is ben_vulpes' breakfast.
1229035;1438956041;Adlai;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMAhCCZDwtU9
1229036;1438956042;assbot;Happy Gilmore - Pieces of Shit for Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsWWrB )
1229037;1438956182;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228927 << how come these never read "devs fuck up "latest version" yet again. you should revert to last-known-good, from 5 years ago."
1229038;1438956182;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 10:53:39; assbot: There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )
1229039;1438956188;mircea_popescu;how come. i wish to know this. HOW THE FUCK COME!
1229040;1438956213;mircea_popescu;talking of limited thinking.
1229041;1438956221;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naturally, engineered (via, e.g., 'gmail won't display in -5yr version' etc)
1229042;1438956226;mircea_popescu;"you roll 22 and bust, you should double your bid!!11"
1229043;1438956254;Adlai;5yoFF won't load Naphex's Options Emporium
1229044;1438956257;mircea_popescu;who the fuck in his right mind goes for seconds at the place that fucked it up.
1229045;1438956268;mircea_popescu;consumer culture, that's it. "the car you sold me sucked, i want you to give me another one"
1229046;1438956269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for lulz, boot up a -15+ yr. machine with browserz (esp. < ver. 10 'mac') and try reading with it
1229047;1438956286;mircea_popescu;why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked.
1229048;1438956301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i use an antique lynx or an opera from
1229049;1438956304;*;Adlai has progressed to doing most actual *work* from an X-less 'thin client', never been happier
1229050;1438956348;mircea_popescu;2006!
1229051;1438956351;Adlai;actual software runs on machines younger than a decade (but not much!), but it still has to speak text for this box to understand
1229052;1438956353;mircea_popescu;my opera is from 10 years ago. works fucking fine.
1229053;1438956364;asciilifeform;car that sucked >>> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/03/welcome-to-fuffland.html << obligatory classic
1229054;1438956365;assbot;ClubOrlov: Welcome to Fuffland! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXAoV )
1229055;1438956391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is why specific example of 'gmail' etc, which use scripts
1229056;1438956402;mircea_popescu;fuck jwz with a stick.
1229057;1438956409;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/DEeFKyJ.png
1229058;1438956410;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXFsE )
1229059;1438956411;mircea_popescu;and i am still reeling over how imbecillic philg got over the years srsly.
1229060;1438956415;mircea_popescu;old fucking age.
1229061;1438956421;asciilifeform;all good & well until you need to display that browsable svg turd
1229062;1438956434;Adlai;d00d, svg is text
1229063;1438956434;asciilifeform;and click on the antecedents etc
1229064;1438956437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it doesn't do svg worth a shit.
1229065;1438956446;Adlai;svg is text
1229066;1438956454;Adlai;load that into lisp, M-x slime-inspect, etc etc
1229067;1438956457;kakobrekla;http://madsciencewriter.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html
1229068;1438956458;assbot;Mad Science Writer: The foreskin: Why is it such a secret in North America? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXHRc )
1229069;1438956458;asciilifeform;Adlai: everything is text when you hexdump -C it
1229070;1438956462;mircea_popescu;Adlai but we were discussing browsers.
1229071;1438956492;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ironically, because puritans of the 50s thought that the foreskin is a major factor in the disease of gayness
1229072;1438956494;*;Adlai nominates M-x slime-inspect as a valid web browser, especially after ,ql closure
1229073;1438956508;mircea_popescu;and if ytou cut it off the boys will be protected by Utilihova from becoming filthy fags.
1229074;1438956515;kakobrekla;mhm
1229075;1438956533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc started off as an antimasturbatory notion
1229076;1438956536;mircea_popescu;worked about as well as you'd expect, on the basis of the record of ustardian puritans.
1229077;1438956540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's what they CALLED it.
1229078;1438956543;mircea_popescu;but no.
1229079;1438956558;mircea_popescu;(masturbation, spending time alone, and generally not being a jock also parts of disease of gayness)
1229080;1438956567;mircea_popescu;(explains turing perfectly!)
1229081;1438956579;mircea_popescu;(also nazi party)
1229082;1438956600;Adlai;venn diagram of "jock" and "gay" disagrees...
1229083;1438956607;mircea_popescu;only recently.
1229084;1438956610;shinohai;Eat moar Corn Flakes.
1229085;1438956634;mircea_popescu;and, i might add, symptomatically, for the perspectives of being a libertard, the newly branded ustardian puritan.
1229086;1438956720;shinohai;Kellog also advocated yogurt enemas to fight masturbation, which in my mind was just kink.
1229087;1438956760;Adlai;well they do say that it's useless until it reaches the gut, sounds like optimization to me
1229088;1438956773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20454 @ 0.00057696 = 11.8011 BTC [+]
1229089;1438956789;mircea_popescu;shinohai wait, wut ?! link ?
1229090;1438956858;shinohai;Sauce: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3185011/What-Corn-Flakes-masturbation-common-Mr-Kellogg-believed-sexual-desires-caused-disease-invented-plain-cereal-stop-self-pleasuring.html
1229091;1438956859;assbot;Kellogg's Corn Flakes invented to stop masturbation and sexual desire | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsYyBu )
1229092;1438956941;mircea_popescu;!rate decimation -1 Guy's been soft working teh #b-a for about a year and a half. Needless to say, it didn't work out.
1229093;1438956941;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5928288793aeefd9
1229094;1438956982;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.decimation.-1:e02efb9e5119b44094f8e4c6c945e9317990425cc57168b24cb7ab8c0db78d5b
1229095;1438956983;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for decimation with note: Guy's been soft working teh #b-a for about a year and a half. Needless to say, it didn't work out.
1229096;1438957139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28338 @ 0.00057763 = 16.3689 BTC [+] {3} 
1229097;1438957418;asciilifeform;http://fas.org/irp/eprint/arens/chap4.htm << vintage lulz
1229098;1438957418;assbot;OPERATION KETSU-GO ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsZCW7 )
1229099;1438957475;ben_vulpes;<Adlai> drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles << and only until the em wars get serious
1229100;1438957490;mircea_popescu;or the power stays on.
1229101;1438957499;ben_vulpes;hm?
1229102;1438957508;ben_vulpes;oh oh
1229103;1438957531;mircea_popescu;i always wondered if any star trek fans ever wondered what happens to the spaceship once saying "shields up!!" "shoot lasers!!" etc stops returning "enemy destroyed"
1229104;1438957533;asciilifeform;radio-controlled fighting machines are not new. they were tried even by germany as 'wunderwaffen'
1229105;1438957553;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform originally tried by michail paleologos as "heavenly host"
1229106;1438957559;asciilifeform;l0l
1229107;1438957562;mircea_popescu;aham.
1229108;1438957570;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: forgive my thickness but what is the breakfast reference?
1229109;1438957575;asciilifeform;american sailors would turn on electric razor, sparks, and winged rocket fell into the sea.
1229110;1438957581;Adlai;it really just depends on the war
1229111;1438957584;mircea_popescu;didn't you say you eat them for breakfast ?
1229112;1438957587;asciilifeform;modern machines are ~slightly~ harder to jam.
1229113;1438957591;mircea_popescu;Adlai "war. war never changes."
1229114;1438957606;Adlai;ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
1229115;1438957624;ben_vulpes;probably, but now i can't find the line in the logz
1229116;1438957636;mircea_popescu;admire the irony of having been defeated by a quote from a videogame, in your quest to defend the videogame war.
1229117;1438957650;mod6;hanbot: good news!  thanks for the update
1229118;1438957660;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's five lines up from where you say "yes massa"
1229119;1438957694;ben_vulpes;oh yeah
1229120;1438957696;ben_vulpes;lunch
1229121;1438957703;*;mircea_popescu is jetlagged.
1229122;1438957711;Adlai;far from a 'videogame war', modern warfare is still quite shitty, but the precise nature (taste, color, proportion of black bile vs yellow) changes
1229123;1438957767;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229121 << visited island fortress ?
1229124;1438957767;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 14:28:23; *: mircea_popescu is jetlagged.
1229125;1438957787;mircea_popescu;i guess this is to some degree true. war changes to favour offensive or defensive in a cycle. there's an excelent scene in der untergang, where a veteran field officer surveying the killing zone through stereoscopic periscope sees a bunch of green vulksstrums and yells for them to get the very fuck out of there already!
1229126;1438957800;Adlai;it's much easier to look at the nature of warfare and say, "oh, it's changing like this, or like that", but the much more significant changes are in its *objectives*
1229127;1438957807;mircea_popescu;why ? why should he wish for this ? after all, goebbels well observed "their determination" will make up for the lack of weaponry.
1229128;1438957810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00057435 = 36.7871 BTC [-] {3} 
1229129;1438957822;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked. << i was recently at a pitch from legaleze.io wherein the guy who runs the formdump site in question lionized marc andresen, and then displayed a pmarca tweet congratulating him for saying something 'grand' about 'software eating law'
1229130;1438957826;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the vet knew enough from experience to know the war is now a defensive affair, and the only thing that matters is not being killed.
1229131;1438957841;mircea_popescu;and the only thing "being a veteran" means is, "having loaded an endless list of don'ts"
1229132;1438957841;ben_vulpes;why the shit do i want to listen to the asshole responsible for the broswer about how software is going to eat law?
1229133;1438957851;Adlai;"it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left"
1229134;1438957852;mircea_popescu;as orwell well observed, the airplane and the radio turned the war into a game of rats.
1229135;1438957868;asciilifeform;rattenkrieg (tm) (r)
1229136;1438957869;Adlai;both came long after the cannon
1229137;1438957883;Adlai;which is itself dated by the crossbow
1229138;1438957894;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes software is nevertheless eating law. except it happens somewhere other than there.
1229139;1438957914;Adlai;the crossbow is the turning point where war went to shit
1229140;1438957932;mircea_popescu;notrly. recall the unfortunate adventure of one mr orsini ?
1229141;1438957937;ben_vulpes;i'm not arguing the point, i just don't see the point of engaging on 'formalizing the whole legal system' with a guy who generates xml from erb templates and thinks this is a good idea
1229142;1438957945;asciilifeform;Adlai: and was not 'to shit' when turkic recurved bows were bugspraying europeans ?
1229143;1438957948;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes werd.
1229144;1438957966;asciilifeform;or is 'to shit' only when the affair drags on, rather than over in a day because massacre of the unprepared
1229145;1438957993;Adlai;crossbow marks the point where camping became +EV
1229146;1438958000;mircea_popescu;it's "to shit" every time the contest moves from "who can hold his position in front of enemy with nary a care" to "who can hide best".
1229147;1438958007;mircea_popescu;in this sense it went to shit once legion surpassed phalanx.
1229148;1438958016;ben_vulpes;moreover "software is eating the law in the sense that bitcoin is here and we do gpg contracts now" is...beyond the derps.
1229149;1438958020;mircea_popescu;and it kept going to shit. once english bowmen owned french cataphracts
1229150;1438958021;mircea_popescu;etc etc.
1229151;1438958028;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes myeah.
1229152;1438958044;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: notice that usg vermin are almost defined by their fondness of 'formalize but not really formalize
1229153;1438958045;asciilifeform;'
1229154;1438958059;asciilifeform;!s rule of law
1229155;1438958060;assbot;48 results for 'rule of law' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rule+of+law
1229156;1438958060;mircea_popescu;it's this entire "try to find a trend to stand in front of"
1229157;1438958061;ben_vulpes;i finally left when he started talking about fuzzing the robocorps
1229158;1438958065;ben_vulpes;as if!
1229159;1438958066;mircea_popescu;almost like they're a legion of japanese tourists
1229160;1438958068;asciilifeform;where is that canonical mega-turd...
1229161;1438958081;mircea_popescu;"and here's me in front of the sphinx. notice this other guy is speaking to me about the sphinx"
1229162;1438958091;asciilifeform;http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm << it
1229163;1438958092;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS6Xx3 )
1229164;1438958118;ben_vulpes;anywayz, what's the story with decimation, mircea_popescu?
1229165;1438958134;mircea_popescu;it deeply fascinates me how alf does feel the need to maintain a -publicly stated!!!- corpus of humanities cannon, yet nevertheless does not feel this need about a corpus of software cannon.
1229166;1438958150;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
1229167;1438958150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not my fault there isn't a canon
1229168;1438958154;mircea_popescu;except subconsciously.
1229169;1438958158;asciilifeform;i despise the despicable
1229170;1438958162;asciilifeform;and respect the respectable.
1229171;1438958168;asciilifeform;like any normal person
1229172;1438958191;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there's no story. i dun trust him, an' now you know i don't.
1229173;1438958213;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know which of these a group noun falls into chiefly depends on how you examine.
1229174;1438958218;mircea_popescu;lest you end up "despising jews".
1229175;1438958220;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: my understanding is that mircea_popescu kicked him for тунеядство.
1229176;1438958237;asciilifeform;(doesn't translate, unfortunately. but you can read about what it is.)
1229177;1438958299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00058108 = 40.2688 BTC [+]
1229178;1438958301;asciilifeform;literally something like 'worklesseating'
1229179;1438958360;asciilifeform;http://d3mlntcv38ck9k.cloudfront.net/content/konspekt_image/16840/8c8ddc9feaa4b49c90d4327bfec75e08.jpg
1229180;1438958361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ut1AFN )
1229181;1438958423;asciilifeform;http://vk34.ru/assets/images/555/rossiya-tuneyadstvo-rossiya.jpg
1229182;1438958424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ut1Kx9 )
1229183;1438958426;asciilifeform;etc.
1229184;1438958543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and it cannot be said that i do not believe in a 'software canon.' just that very few folks have heard of it, just as j. s. bach's music did not play for two centuries at one point. e.g., mccarthy's 'lisp 1.5'; weizenbaum's 'eliza'; ... many others
1229185;1438958558;asciilifeform;there is a canon.
1229186;1438958576;mircea_popescu;yet this same consideration (few foplks heard of) does not prevent you from linking say hasnasj
1229187;1438958582;asciilifeform;but that music isn't playing today, except on the home organs of a few weirdos like yours truly
1229188;1438958587;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's obviously self-healing. mention -> hearing.
1229189;1438958594;ben_vulpes;what eating
1229190;1438958625;*;mircea_popescu directs questions as to alf's interpretation of phenomena to alf directly. 
1229191;1438958626;ben_vulpes;is idling in #b-a now a crime?
1229192;1438958630;mircea_popescu;nah.
1229193;1438958650;ben_vulpes;i lack the cultural contex to appreciate "тунеядство" here
1229194;1438958671;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i finally came up with rough english ver.: 'freeload'
1229195;1438958683;ben_vulpes;again, "what eating"
1229196;1438958720;asciilifeform;of brain cycles, perhaps
1229197;1438958770;mircea_popescu;"Sweden has traditionally relied heavily on the strong protestant work ethic of its citizens. A cornerstone of the country's welfare system has been a population which has been reluctant to misuse the system. Although taxes have been high and government benefits generous, the strong work ethic has stopped people from taking advantage of the welfare state. Alas, this attitude has been largely abandoned. As time has pass
1229198;1438958771;mircea_popescu;ed, people have adapted to the system."
1229199;1438958771;*;asciilifeform directs questions as to mircea_popescu's exercise of the -1 cannon to mircea_popescu directly
1229200;1438958771;mircea_popescu;doh.
1229201;1438958774;mircea_popescu;how to ruin ethic.
1229202;1438958782;mircea_popescu;lol canon pun!
1229203;1438958803;ben_vulpes;"compliance is a forest of fingers pointing at everyone else"
1229204;1438958842;ben_vulpes;on a more interesting note, did you get a chance to digest my mL of pcap, asciilifeform?
1229205;1438958875;ben_vulpes;i plan to take a hammer to the coracle's blockchain soon, would like to know if you see anything interesting in it
1229206;1438958881;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sadly not. and probably won't today. writing most of a pc os for $redacted.
1229207;1438958906;ben_vulpes;i took a brief hack at figuring out how to parse pcap dumps, but not very successfully
1229208;1438958913;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'wireshark'
1229209;1438958919;ben_vulpes;nooooo
1229210;1438958927;ben_vulpes;really?
1229211;1438958938;asciilifeform;i mean, if for human consumption
1229212;1438958942;mircea_popescu;�Why should I only get this handout only the months that I attend school?� Explaining that he needs money for going out with his friends and buying clothes all year round, the young author concluded: �I don�t have anything against working. But if the government doesn�t make sure that I have a job, it is their responsibility to pay me the handouts all year around�.
1229213;1438958943;mircea_popescu;win.
1229214;1438958964;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if it is to parse automatically on unattended spy satellite, then yes, something else, not wireshark
1229215;1438959005;ben_vulpes;i am unsurprised to learn that software does not produce human parseable output at the command line
1229216;1438959021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as described in your article re: the herring fishermen, the scandinavians forgot what actual work looks like 1000 years ago.
1229217;1438959031;mircea_popescu;just about.
1229218;1438959046;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you want raw packet payloads, tcpdump will disgorge'em.
1229219;1438959061;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you want intelligent slice&dice --- wireshark. or write own.
1229220;1438959070;shinohai;http://gizmodo.com/north-korea-made-its-own-time-zone-to-tell-japan-to-fuc-1722684800
1229221;1438959071;assbot;North Korea Made Its Own Time Zone to Tell Japan to Fuck Off ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ut3aaI )
1229222;1438959074;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't know what i want - this whole project is an endless barrel of 'wtf'
1229223;1438959085;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you only now realized this?!
1229224;1438959096;ben_vulpes;no no just reiterating
1229225;1438959107;ben_vulpes;but with emphasis on the grand scope of my ignorance
1229226;1438959126;ben_vulpes;ofc it makes sense that i'd have to fire up wireshark on this thing eventually
1229227;1438959129;*;ben_vulpes thinks
1229228;1438959135;ben_vulpes;actually i have!
1229229;1438959142;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: recent wireshark actually tries to parse bitcoin
1229230;1438959142;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do not be surprised that cli tools do not put out stuff in a format you don't know
1229231;1438959144;ben_vulpes;past experiments not worth mentioning.
1229232;1438959152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6942 @ 0.00057337 = 3.9803 BTC [-]
1229233;1438959155;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i was impressed.
1229234;1438959171;asciilifeform;just when i though i'd have to write a mod for it
1229235;1438959178;asciilifeform;but it isn't tremendously useful, no
1229236;1438959185;asciilifeform;because the inspection isn't stateful
1229237;1438959204;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes will learn soon enough what i meant.
1229238;1438959217;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229230   <<< isn't this a good use case for your pipes, using sed & awk ?
1229239;1438959217;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 14:52:22; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not be surprised that cli tools do not put out stuff in a format you don't know
1229240;1438959230;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: a) i don't know any formats and b) i stopped expecting things to behave in any particular way when i realized that "tar" is "tape archive"
1229241;1438959236;ben_vulpes;s/realized/learned
1229242;1438959251;mircea_popescu;:p
1229243;1438959269;asciilifeform;speaking of tape, i've always lamented that no one sells a reel-to-reel for modern pc
1229244;1438959271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't exactly know how they'd do a better job
1229245;1438959274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57922 @ 0.00057514 = 33.3133 BTC [+] {3} 
1229246;1438959280;asciilifeform;why shouldn't i be able to use arbitrary lengths of tape.
1229247;1438959283;mircea_popescu;you will perhaps notice wireshark is taking a saner view of btc protocol than the power rangers
1229248;1438959290;mircea_popescu;much to everyone else's eternal amusement.
1229249;1438959310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naturally, it is written for folks who do the grunt work
1229250;1438959326;mircea_popescu;or in any case, has some people whoi can actually think in the userbase.
1229251;1438959345;ben_vulpes;anyways, i'm off to coffee, breakfast, fire a girl, do the work she was supposed to do, and then the burbs for a sales meeting
1229252;1438959352;ben_vulpes;RUN MORE RAILS
1229253;1438959352;asciilifeform;rather like a truck or a train, the design cannot be too insane
1229254;1438959353;mircea_popescu;there's basically three types of things in this world : those who have nobody thinking in the userbase and don't care ; those who have some thinking people in the userbase and don't care
1229255;1438959360;ben_vulpes;it keeps ben_vulpes' children fed
1229256;1438959365;mircea_popescu;and the recent adition, those which have some untinking people in the userbase and don't carew.
1229257;1438959374;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes works on a railroad ?!!!
1229258;1438959379;asciilifeform;that's new
1229259;1438959386;mircea_popescu;he also digs up stones in congo.
1229260;1438959391;mircea_popescu;rubies!
1229261;1438959398;asciilifeform;ah ~that~ railroad
1229262;1438959400;asciilifeform;l0l!
1229263;1438959407;mircea_popescu;failroad.
1229264;1438959425;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to dig up some stones
1229265;1438959696;mircea_popescu;http://madsciencewriter.blogspot.com.ar/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html << this is an excellent anatomy write-up but (as is common for the past five centuries for some reason), a very poor phisiopathology write-up. of particular note : phimosis IS an actual pathologic state even if broadly misused. and dxo and a number of other genuine afflictions of the prepuce do legitimately exist.
1229266;1438959698;assbot;Mad Science Writer: The foreskin: Why is it such a secret in North America? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS9K9s )
1229267;1438959756;mircea_popescu;(bxo*. balanitis xerotica obliterans)
1229268;1438959945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114100 @ 0.00058343 = 66.5694 BTC [+]
1229269;1438960158;mircea_popescu;diametric http://dpaste.com/2PMRDRP
1229270;1438960159;assbot;dpaste: 2PMRDRP ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSaKKP )
1229271;1438960250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00059508 = 29.0102 BTC [+] {5} 
1229272;1438960264;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_devlist/comments/3fov44/incentivising_full_nodes_by_having_spv_nodes_to/
1229273;1438960266;assbot;Incentivising full nodes by having SPV nodes to pay for data requests | Luv Khemani | Aug 03 2015 : bitcoin_devlist ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSaZFP )
1229274;1438960293;mircea_popescu;heh.
1229275;1438960494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235850 @ 0.00060182 = 141.9392 BTC [+] {8} 
1229276;1438960982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93250 @ 0.00060387 = 56.3109 BTC [+] {3} 
1229277;1438961801;Adlai;!seen assbot
1229278;1438961978;kakobrekla;assy doesnt do seen
1229279;1438962017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106027 @ 0.00060463 = 64.1071 BTC [+] {4} 
1229280;1438962078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1823 @ 0.0006055 = 1.1038 BTC [+]
1229281;1438962360;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228860 << if you actually got bit by a coyote you must go get your rabies shots right now. the chickenshits don't dare attack humans, especially not adult males or when they're alone. << "acting" work of fiction it seems.
1229282;1438962360;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:38:12; BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning
1229283;1438962369;punkman;!rate williamdunne 1 small btc/gbp trade
1229284;1438962369;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/679c9cf2227dd1db
1229285;1438962504;*;BingoBoingo creatively thinking outloud and venting my hate at the noise machines
1229286;1438962688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76500 @ 0.00058014 = 44.3807 BTC [-] {4} 
1229287;1438962849;mike_c;mpoe flirting with 60.. what a bull run.
1229288;1438962861;mike_c;short! short!
1229289;1438962894;mike_c;!t h rent
1229290;1438962895;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00810003 / 0.0090831 / 0.01369000 (55 shares, 0.49957045 BTC), 30D: 0.00056038 / 0.01109156 / 0.01420000 (650 shares, 7.20951573 BTC)
1229291;1438962936;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha.
1229292;1438962944;mircea_popescu;mike_c h8r
1229293;1438962980;mike_c;Just a contrarian.  I have no idea if it's headed to 80 or 40.
1229294;1438963003;ben_vulpes;dip was pretty short...
1229295;1438963016;mircea_popescu;mike_c btw, am i ever gonna see you in game ? ?!?! ?!? ?!? !???
1229296;1438963054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.0005842 = 14.0208 BTC [+]
1229297;1438963095;mike_c;A good question.  Short answer - yes.  Long answer, I wonder if Eulora in its current state is good for a casual/short-on-time gamer.
1229298;1438963121;mircea_popescu;yes.
1229299;1438963126;mike_c;It seems like I would love it like I love Total War - If I have 20 hours a week to play it would be awesome.
1229300;1438963142;mircea_popescu;it is much easier to get +ev if you play casually than if you play intensively.
1229301;1438963167;mike_c;Hm.  Ok, well, then I will start aiming my 30-45 daily mins of play at Eulora then.
1229302;1438963182;mircea_popescu;did i ever get you a starter package ?
1229303;1438963193;mike_c;I got some lil bits of nothing
1229304;1438963198;mircea_popescu;and skills ?
1229305;1438963210;mike_c;I got some of my own skills exploring
1229306;1438963211;chetty;low level players on eulora are in some demand
1229307;1438963227;mike_c;Drank the murky what-not and cleared my head
1229308;1438963253;mircea_popescu;yeah, you're needed to overcraft high level items for high level crafters to get them bps
1229309;1438963272;mircea_popescu;and you can always mine, and low q mined stuff fetches a high % premium relative to their net value
1229310;1438963299;mircea_popescu;the challenge in eulora, much like in business, is to scale up while maintaining profitability.
1229311;1438963303;mike_c;I'll start poking again and see if danielpbarron can make use of me.  He seems to be king of the land :)
1229312;1438963363;mircea_popescu;what doesn't work is the 'i made a level in five minutes so i'll make 500 levels in 20 hours' linear thing from grinder mmorpgs.
1229313;1438963369;mircea_popescu;eulora's very not linear.
1229314;1438963409;mike_c;I'm not so worried about +ev though.  I already have a job.
1229315;1438963435;mircea_popescu;on the other hand yesterday i bought ~10mn worth of thorns.
1229316;1438963440;mike_c;hehe
1229317;1438963447;mircea_popescu;it can add up to dough.
1229318;1438963515;mike_c;hopefully Eulora will accomodate me - someone who is perfectly happy with -ev as long as I'm having fun.  This should help supply the people who are more interested in the money.
1229319;1438963542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42666 @ 0.00060566 = 25.8411 BTC [+] {3} 
1229320;1438963567;mircea_popescu;well if it doesn't i wanna hear about it.
1229321;1438963588;mircea_popescu;the game is very deeply meta atm, from what i've seen
1229322;1438963847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67871 @ 0.00060577 = 41.1142 BTC [+]
1229323;1438963913;scoopbot_revived;Varia varietatis, or your All-About-The-Mollusc guide. http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/
1229324;1438963969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35777 @ 0.0005842 = 20.9009 BTC [-]
1229325;1438964152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00060642 = 23.1956 BTC [+] {3} 
1229326;1438964277;mircea_popescu;ha!
1229327;1438964281;mircea_popescu;mmmwhahahahaah
1229328;1438964884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34148 @ 0.00060673 = 20.7186 BTC [+]
1229329;1438964886;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/article_email/3-d-printer-firms-fall-flat-as-buyers-wait-for-new-models-1438905355-lMyQjAxMTI1NzA3NzMwNjc2Wj
1229330;1438964887;assbot;3-D Printer Firms Fall Flat, as Buyers Wait for New Models - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pb7EQm )
1229331;1438964917;mircea_popescu;"let's redo the videogame winter because we're unique special snowflakes and who needs management"
1229332;1438964919;mircea_popescu;win.
1229333;1438964953;punkman;I like how "fall flat" means losing 10s of millions of bezzlars
1229334;1438964959;mircea_popescu;the only difference being that the usg was not either powerful enough or attentive enough to give a shit either way about consoles in the 80s.
1229335;1438964969;mircea_popescu;whereas it sure as shit doesn't want any more of that "printed gun" nonsense.
1229336;1438965061;shinohai;I don't think that guy coud get *any* project off the ground. Darkwallet is a fail for sure.
1229337;1438965931;mircea_popescu;"The strategy for Ketsu-Go was outlined in an 8 April 1945 Army Directive.(4) It stated that the Imperial Army would endeavor to crush the Americans while the invasion force was still at sea. They planned to deliver a decisive blow against the American naval force by initially destroying as many carriers as possible, utilizing the special attack forces of the Air Force and Navy. When the amphibious force approached wit
1229338;1438965931;mircea_popescu;hin range of the homeland airbases, the entire air combat strength would be employed in continual night and day assaults against these ships. In conducting the air operations, the emphasis would be on the disruption of the American landing plans. The principal targets were to be the troop and equipment transports. Those American forces which succeeded in landing would be swiftly attacked by the Imperial Army in order t
1229339;1438965931;mircea_popescu;o seek the decisive victory. The principal objective of the land operation was the destruction of the American landing force on the beach."
1229340;1438965935;mircea_popescu;happens to be the correct strategy.
1229341;1438965955;mircea_popescu;(and yes, its perspectives for success are broadly why nuclear detonations were perfectly justified)
1229342;1438966081;mircea_popescu;would have made japan into a sort of north korea.
1229343;1438966442;mircea_popescu;"One campaign unit of fire was sufficient ammunition for one campaign - generally understood to be a three month supply.(21) This called for the following rounds per weapon: 1,000 rounds per field piece, 25,000 rounds per machine gun, and 240 rounds per rifle." << contrary to what one would expect on the basis of "aciton movies", the expected rate of fire of a rifle in war is ~2 shots/day.
1229344;1438966454;mircea_popescu;!up King_Rex
1229345;1438966468;King_Rex;ty mircea_popescu
1229346;1438966473;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1229347;1438966504;King_Rex;lurker, very interested in deedbot and the bitcoin foundation and your node efforts
1229348;1438966540;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1229349;1438966630;mircea_popescu;aha.
1229350;1438966664;King_Rex;i am kicking myself for not joing the wot in '11
1229351;1438966674;King_Rex;i will do so soon
1229352;1438966707;mircea_popescu;good idea.
1229353;1438966746;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228964 << cool, I'm taking this on then.
1229354;1438966746;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 13:28:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835 << aha. shoot the concept of "updates" in the head.
1229355;1438966762;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1229356;1438966764;trinque;sounds like a disk image and accompanying livecd which can deploy it
1229357;1438966775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00060673 = 2.3056 BTC [+]
1229358;1438966778;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835
1229359;1438966779;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:26:16; trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?
1229360;1438966795;mircea_popescu;well, it can be a signed binary, but only after it is a pile of source.
1229361;1438966808;trinque;certainly; I've got scripts around building these disk images already
1229362;1438966815;trinque;just need to package it up nicely
1229363;1438966921;mircea_popescu;but yes. being able to tell new people "do http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225687 or else, AT YOUR OPTION, if you have the time, and the expertise, here'sd the source, read it, sign it, ml the receipt" way beats having to tell new people http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228947
1229364;1438966921;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:28:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's what i want to accomplish, as a goal : i want to be able to put up a linux system, then go curl http://trilema.com/autobitcoin.sh | gpg -verify > autobitcoin.sh. and then run that autobitcoin.sh, which auto-follows the changes of people i have selected for this task, builds them and runs them
1229365;1438966921;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 13:13:30; mircea_popescu: <n6> Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo << take your picture with your sad face next to a screen with gentoo failing on it, i'll pay you 0.1 BTC. just to prove a point.
1229366;1438966944;trinque;right, thing needs a damn on-ramp
1229367;1438966951;trinque;I'll hack on this over the weekend
1229368;1438966959;mircea_popescu;not least of all because i only haver so many btc.
1229369;1438966971;mircea_popescu;and people only have so much frustration dampener.
1229370;1438967211;ascii_field;wai wut
1229371;1438967215;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225690 << absolutely
1229372;1438967215;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 14:30:12; mircea_popescu: and i know this can be done because it's how fucking viruses work.
1229373;1438967227;trinque;in the case of bitcoind dev, sure, barriers are great
1229374;1438967254;trinque;in the case of people wanting to join the WoT and have a real computer, not so great
1229375;1438967324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20725 @ 0.00060369 = 12.5115 BTC [-]
1229376;1438967327;ascii_field;'Except... it isn't. Ahh, that exquisite flavour on the roof of your mouth, when "Automatic Updates" pops up a textbox to "inform" you that your OS is "no longer supported"v which can not be closed because the process that spawned it died in a "futex wait me" state as if this is actually a fucking thing, and then it can't be turned off, because if one goes to follow the process that supposedly turns it off that one
1229377;1438967327;ascii_field;discovers the respective variables were zeroed out already.' << win
1229378;1438967373;trinque;!up n6
1229379;1438967387;trinque;n6: btw, you survived gentoo quest; get in the wot :)
1229380;1438967503;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aha
1229381;1438967568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.0005927 = 30.1981 BTC [-] {3} 
1229382;1438967817;trinque;I will base this cd on the amd64-nomultilib guide unless there are objections
1229383;1438967841;trinque;it seems like using an alternative libc might cause unnecessary n00b pain
1229384;1438967855;ascii_field;ick
1229385;1438967858;ascii_field;death to glibc.
1229386;1438967861;trinque;well, I agree
1229387;1438967866;trinque;hence request for comment
1229388;1438967870;ascii_field;not 'for n00bz', not for dogs, not for cats
1229389;1438967873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9772 @ 0.00058638 = 5.7301 BTC [-]
1229390;1438967873;ascii_field;not fit for life
1229391;1438968278;diametric;mircea_popescu: ty ty
1229392;1438968370;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1229393;1438968373;BingoBoingo;!up King_Rex
1229394;1438968605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178150 @ 0.00060814 = 108.3401 BTC [+] {8} 
1229395;1438969102;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229329 << these are not 'the 3d printer firms'. well, they are, but they make 'golden toilets' that no hobbyist ever touched
1229396;1438969102;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 16:28:06; punkman: http://www.wsj.com/article_email/3-d-printer-firms-fall-flat-as-buyers-wait-for-new-models-1438905355-lMyQjAxMTI1NzA3NzMwNjc2Wj
1229397;1438969162;ascii_field;they are '3d printer' in the same sense that sco 'is' unix
1229398;1438969250;punkman;I've touched them
1229399;1438969267;punkman;but I know plenty of golden-toilet in that area
1229400;1438969282;ascii_field;i did too. a 'stratasys' was sold for a couplea hundy at my university's surplus shop
1229401;1438969290;ascii_field;the giant powder-sintering thing
1229402;1438969294;ascii_field;complete with sandblast cabinet
1229403;1438969311;ascii_field;and 'glove box'
1229404;1438969518;diametric;^ powder-gluing z-corp. similar but instead of melting powder together, it glues it with an inkjet type nozzle.
1229405;1438969520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12575 @ 0.00061007 = 7.6716 BTC [+]
1229406;1438969534;ascii_field;^ probably it
1229407;1438969764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86222 @ 0.00061217 = 52.7825 BTC [+] {4} 
1229408;1438969848;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/media/2015/08/07/bad-buzz/   <<< ooops
1229409;1438969849;assbot;BuzzFeed's Editor-In-Chief 'accidentally' leaked private DMs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DvJajI )
1229410;1438970658;*;shinohai is now seeing why ascii_field hates glibc so much
1229411;1438970780;BingoBoingo;https://cryptome.org/2015-info/trump-hair/trump-hair-history.htm vs. https://cryptome.org/2015-info/hillary-hair/hillary-hair-history.htm
1229412;1438970781;assbot;Trump Hair History ... ( http://bit.ly/1gjegQx )
1229413;1438970782;assbot;Hillary Hair History ... ( http://bit.ly/1gjeh7g )
1229414;1438970984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00061385 = 39.1636 BTC [+]
1229415;1438971060;ben_vulpes;i musta missed the memo on eulora being an okay casual play
1229416;1438971077;ben_vulpes;might try again, ask for pointers
1229417;1438971128;danielpbarron;at the very least you should all get the craftbot and leave it running overnight
1229418;1438971142;danielpbarron;and coming soon, a mining bot
1229419;1438971146;ben_vulpes;right.
1229420;1438971149;ben_vulpes;explorationbot?
1229421;1438971152;danielpbarron;it's the new early adopter bitcoin mining!
1229422;1438971156;danielpbarron;ya
1229423;1438971170;danielpbarron;i guess it's supposed to explore and build the tiny/small claims as it goes
1229424;1438971178;ben_vulpes;i'd not mind learning a bit more about the thing so's i can have some fun automating it
1229425;1438971179;danielpbarron;and hopefully lock the ordinary/remarkables
1229426;1438971186;ben_vulpes;'twas always my gripe with eve.
1229427;1438971206;danielpbarron;botting is not only allowed, not only encouraged, but rewarded!
1229428;1438971213;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1229429;1438971213;danielpbarron;there are prizes available for writing these things
1229430;1438971215;ben_vulpes;plus i feel thooper thtupid asking all of the "how ams" questions i had about eulora last time
1229431;1438971219;ascii_field;almost forgot, from last night:
1229432;1438971219;ben_vulpes;right right
1229433;1438971229;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al:        diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null  " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $0 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
1229434;1438971235;ascii_field;achtung, panzers ^^^
1229435;1438971243;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^^^
1229436;1438971243;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1229437;1438971250;ben_vulpes;now there's some perl.
1229438;1438971255;ascii_field;no perl!
1229439;1438971273;ben_vulpes;i know, just ribbing
1229440;1438971292;ascii_field;this inserts 'false' in place of sha512's of files which do not exist in a (or b)
1229441;1438971324;ascii_field;ergo is a complete solution to the antecedent-embedding diff which i suggested to mircea_popescu earlier this week.
1229442;1438971342;ascii_field;wrote before going to bed last night, forgot to post.
1229443;1438971350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19056 @ 0.00061385 = 11.6975 BTC [+]
1229444;1438971367;ben_vulpes;nifty indeed
1229445;1438971412;ascii_field;the 'patch' on my systems eats these happily, disregarding the extra bit
1229446;1438971423;ascii_field;others - please say if this is/is not the case on theirs.
1229447;1438971434;ben_vulpes;i'll have to cook up a test case or so
1229448;1438972074;punkman;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/23/call-off-the-bee-pocalypse-u-s-honeybee-colonies-hit-a-20-year-high/
1229449;1438972075;assbot;Call off the bee-pocalypse: U.S. honeybee colonies hit a 20-year high - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVYqZK )
1229450;1438972204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00061492 = 20.8458 BTC [+] {3} 
1229451;1438972387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00061505 = 24.5712 BTC [+]
1229452;1438973056;jurov;http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/#comment-25365 hahahahaha
1229453;1438973057;assbot;La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwmpbS )
1229454;1438973081;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1229455;1438973084;gernika;General question - is there value in continuing to test stator, and future versions of it, on OpenBSD?  Or should I abandon that and just test on Gentoo from now on?
1229456;1438973103;jurov;why not?
1229457;1438973108;ascii_field;^
1229458;1438973123;ascii_field;test on 'minix' if you feel like.
1229459;1438973141;ben_vulpes;mod6 has a hardon for openbsd
1229460;1438973153;ben_vulpes;twould please him no end to see test reports coming in from that platform
1229461;1438973166;gernika;Because I won't be able to build it "deterministically" without rotor.  Was my thinking.
1229462;1438973171;ben_vulpes;i still maintain hope that libressl can be used too
1229463;1438973175;trinque;ben_vulpes: also happens to have an installer that isn't a field of broken glass
1229464;1438973180;ascii_field;who knows, the day may come when we gotta get the cosmoline grease off bsd and run it. like the ww2 tanks taken off their monument pedestals and sent to fight in donetsk
1229465;1438973207;ben_vulpes;who knows, we may have to take a dependency on forthos too
1229466;1438973227;trinque;parted doesn't even work right; I just bitched about it in #parted
1229467;1438973229;ascii_field;l0lwut
1229468;1438973239;trinque;can't just fart a bunch of command into it like an interpreter
1229469;1438973248;trinque;though the --script flag would suggest otherwise
1229470;1438973310;gernika;Incidentally I spent about 1hr attempting to build rotor on OpenBSD - got buried in tiny differences between bsd/linux.
1229471;1438973322;trinque;gernika: please do make note of these differences
1229472;1438973325;trinque;and post to the ML
1229473;1438973330;ascii_field;gernika: that thing exists for linux !
1229474;1438973335;ascii_field;to get out of glibc !
1229475;1438973338;trinque;oh right, derp
1229476;1438973390;*;shinohai hopes ascii_field will post a rotor build log for arm folks soon ...
1229477;1438973391;trinque;quick googling suggests people have tried it
1229478;1438973394;gernika;Ah right.  No problems building statically on OpenBSD.
1229479;1438973455;danielpbarron;deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/xmacro.tar.gz.sha512.asc.txt
1229480;1438973456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwnkcn )
1229481;1438973457;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1229482;1438973668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90461 @ 0.00061497 = 55.6308 BTC [-] {7} 
1229483;1438973779;jurov;https://blogs.gentoo.org/blueness/2015/08/04/alt-libc-the-state-of-uclibc-and-musl-in-gentoo-part-1/ we're not alone
1229484;1438973781;assbot;alt-libc: The state of uClibc and musl in Gentoo (part 1) | Anthony G. Basile ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwo3u5 )
1229485;1438973933;ascii_field;^ pretty much nothing about musl
1229486;1438973969;ben_vulpes;https://blogs.gentoo.org/blueness/2015/07/31/the-gentoo-reference-system-suite-a-new-release-engineering-tool/
1229487;1438973972;assbot;The “Gentoo Reference System” suite: a new Release Engineering tool. | Anthony G. Basile ... ( http://bit.ly/1KW0WPs )
1229488;1438974010;ben_vulpes;attn trinque
1229489;1438974061;ascii_field;^ appealing idea. but unless he does the decidedly un-sexy step of 'closing the universe' and nailing down packages ~FOREVER~ - it will fall apart. in exactly the same way every other distro did.
1229490;1438974135;ben_vulpes;seems like a similar approach to what trb and eulora are doing
1229491;1438974156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85005 @ 0.00061333 = 52.1361 BTC [-] {3} 
1229492;1438974157;ascii_field;imho ^ is doomed on account of video boards
1229493;1438974167;ascii_field;at least the 'nail down' part is
1229494;1438974191;ascii_field;N years from now, they will be forced to permit crapolade that does not exist at this moment
1229495;1438974200;ascii_field;or face the choice of asking players to buy vintage cards
1229496;1438974202;ben_vulpes;i imagined a path the other night where chetty actually stopped maintaining her owhn client
1229497;1438974213;ben_vulpes;in favor of a few different text based ones
1229498;1438974228;ascii_field;l0l text-based
1229499;1438974236;ascii_field;what, it'll be a '80s mud ?
1229500;1438974246;ben_vulpes;what did eve need graphics for?
1229501;1438974264;ascii_field;ask mircea_popescu, who paid a pretty penny to commission the graphics
1229502;1438974287;ascii_field;and who, if the screenshots on his www are anything to go on, is playing the video version
1229503;1438974321;ben_vulpes;i think you misunderstand the question.
1229504;1438974324;ben_vulpes;eve, the game.
1229505;1438974329;ben_vulpes;arguably needed nographics.
1229506;1438974349;ben_vulpes;in fact those who run its economy rarely even leave the spreadsheets
1229507;1438974354;trinque;if I'm taking this on I'm hesitant to use someone else's tool
1229508;1438974355;ben_vulpes;"spreadsheets in space" (tm)
1229509;1438974367;ben_vulpes;trinque: more for consideration
1229510;1438974370;trinque;I am doing more or less what's described there
1229511;1438974386;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> twould please him no end to see test reports coming in from that platform << certainly let me know how it goes.  yeah, might have issues with rotor on there.  I'm still sync'ing my obsd bitcoind build (patched up through -verifyall).
1229512;1438974416;danielpbarron;i play the video version; it's not so bad
1229513;1438974433;danielpbarron;but at the moment, most of the things I do, do not require seeing the 3d world
1229514;1438974467;danielpbarron;in the future i imagine there will be epic battles between guilds or whatever, and in that case the 3d world will be necessary
1229515;1438974523;ben_vulpes;if i recall the con3-versations on the topic, pve's the real game
1229516;1438974529;ben_vulpes;all ps vs the e
1229517;1438974543;ben_vulpes;but who knows
1229518;1438974572;danielpbarron;what is that? player vs everyone?
1229519;1438974581;ben_vulpes;players vs environment
1229520;1438974583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00061558 = 24.3154 BTC [+]
1229521;1438974603;danielpbarron;i'm pretty sure there's going to also be PvP
1229522;1438974606;ben_vulpes;grues becoime valueable, everyone goes for them, hunts into extinction, their prey emerges
1229523;1438974608;ben_vulpes;myeah
1229524;1438974623;ben_vulpes;i just recall faint intimations that it wasn't quite the focus as it is in eve or wow
1229525;1438974637;ben_vulpes;how then to hold territory i guess is a question
1229526;1438974639;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1229527;1438974643;ben_vulpes;i have no idea, disregard
1229528;1438974655;danielpbarron;understandable, as PvP only makes sense when the first 'M' in MMO becomes reality
1229529;1438974661;trinque;seems an environment to learn how to think in terms of economics
1229530;1438974664;trinque;economic survival game
1229531;1438974684;trinque;within that category both pve and pvp make sense
1229532;1438974685;danielpbarron;yes it is that first and foremost as is any accurate simulation of human life
1229533;1438974688;trinque;player-vs-life
1229534;1438974693;trinque;danielpbarron: indeed
1229535;1438974730;danielpbarron;there are like.. 12 players right now. wouldn't make much sense for us to start killing each other (not that death has been implemented yet)
1229536;1438974757;danielpbarron;speaking of which, come get your subsidized-by-no-death freebees in bare-handed gathering while it lasts
1229537;1438974787;danielpbarron;every /explore is a chance to get $MAXINT (no, seriously)
1229538;1438974895;trinque;maybe when I win at gentoo rpg
1229539;1438974950;ben_vulpes;remember
1229540;1438974960;ben_vulpes;gentoo rpg is now just a subquest of bitcoinrpg
1229541;1438974975;*;danielpbarron plays eulora on gentoo
1229542;1438975034;trinque;ben_vulpes: yar
1229543;1438975071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00060557 = 68.3689 BTC [-] {7} 
1229544;1438975071;trinque;bitcoin, the magnetic field pulling all iron filaments into alignment
1229545;1438975120;chetty;<ben_vulpes> in favor of a few different text based ones//I like it
1229546;1438975178;ben_vulpes;in other news, americans still can't manage: https://open.bufferapp.com/self-management-hierarchy/
1229547;1438975179;assbot;What We Got Wrong About Self-Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwrscp )
1229548;1438975191;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: that's the best time to kill each other. don't you play minecraft?
1229549;1438975203;danielpbarron;used to play minecraft
1229550;1438975214;danielpbarron;i played on MCPVP, the most hardcore pvp server there was
1229551;1438975229;danielpbarron;specialized in tracking down bases and selling the coordinates to raid parties
1229552;1438975260;danielpbarron;few things in this world more satisfying then pwning someone's loot stash
1229553;1438975262;trinque;ben_vulpes: "seeking a flat structure was a misperception of what self-management means" << wahahahaha
1229554;1438975284;trinque;our solution was to redefine the word!
1229555;1438975304;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: you ever play a tale in the desert?
1229556;1438975315;danielpbarron;i don't know what that is, so no
1229557;1438975346;thestringpuller;http://www.atitd.com/
1229558;1438975361;danielpbarron;hahha yeah right i'm gonna play some game that isn't eulora
1229559;1438975379;danielpbarron;until recently i had given up on computer gaming completely
1229560;1438975421;thestringpuller;lol. playing a game isn't a requisite for reading about it?
1229561;1438975458;thestringpuller;iirc chetty said it was an inspiration.
1229562;1438975515;danielpbarron;ah, actually i may have actually tried this
1229563;1438975517;danielpbarron;long ago
1229564;1438976535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58385 @ 0.00060369 = 35.2464 BTC [-]
1229565;1438977023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00060369 = 14.238 BTC [-]
1229566;1438977633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13995 @ 0.00059776 = 8.3657 BTC [-] {2} 
1229567;1438977755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56718 @ 0.0006057 = 34.3541 BTC [+] {3} 
1229568;1438981598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94333 @ 0.00060094 = 56.6885 BTC [-] {3} 
1229569;1438982696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.0006077 = 39.0751 BTC [+] {3} 
1229570;1438983123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62371 @ 0.00059077 = 36.8469 BTC [-] {4} 
1229571;1438983611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85800 @ 0.00058414 = 50.1192 BTC [-] {2} 
1229572;1438984404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00059959 = 27.5212 BTC [+]
1229573;1438985441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34153 @ 0.00059959 = 20.4778 BTC [+]
1229574;1438985533;*;jurov beacme involuntary participant in underhanded C contest
1229575;1438985562;jurov;http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-07.log.html#t22:05:56
1229576;1438985563;assbot;#Eulora log for Friday, 2015-08-07 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dwer60 )
1229577;1438986356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00057821 = 68.2288 BTC [-] {7} 
1229578;1438986417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36807 @ 0.00057059 = 21.0017 BTC [-] {2} 
1229579;1438986905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.0005706 = 9.1581 BTC [+] {3} 
1229580;1438987134;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229424 << well wadda ya waiting for
1229581;1438987134;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 18:12:58; ben_vulpes: i'd not mind learning a bit more about the thing so's i can have some fun automating it
1229582;1438987214;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229433 << it's pearly :D
1229583;1438987214;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 18:13:49; ascii_field: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al:        diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null  " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $0 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
1229584;1438987245;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229455 << yes.
1229585;1438987245;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 18:44:44; gernika: General question - is there value in continuing to test stator, and future versions of it, on OpenBSD?  Or should I abandon that and just test on Gentoo from now on?
1229586;1438987261;mircea_popescu;the criteria for being "ba canonical os" is for it to fucking work, not for it to be fucking unique.
1229587;1438987417;trinque;I have put some work into this today. I converted mod6's guide to a script which builds a bootable root.img
1229588;1438987424;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229495 << hey, there was no problem asking players to buy specified cards for 20 yeasrs, and telling players "You can't play for lack of specified card"
1229589;1438987424;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 19:03:20; ascii_field: or face the choice of asking players to buy vintage cards
1229590;1438987426;trinque;used lilo too
1229591;1438987428;mircea_popescu;THIS NEED NOT CHANGE.
1229592;1438987435;mircea_popescu;except, fuck "progress". learn tradition.,
1229593;1438987443;mircea_popescu;you want to play, get a real card. FROM THE PAST.
1229594;1438987452;mircea_popescu;breakage is breakage. we're doing it.
1229595;1438987454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0005706 = 5.1925 BTC [+]
1229596;1438987468;trinque;mircea_popescu: thought here is to image a USB drive, and have that thing be able to push-button image a computer it has booted
1229597;1438987469;chetty;nest we will need a time machine
1229598;1438987492;trinque;iso's easily done too
1229599;1438987493;mircea_popescu;chetty no. the "use specified card, spec=future" thing is braindamaged. nobody has cards from the future.
1229600;1438987501;mircea_popescu;the "use specified card, spec = p[ast" is sustainable.
1229601;1438987511;mircea_popescu;cards from the past were made, and therefore can be made. period and full fucking stop.
1229602;1438987519;mircea_popescu;break the entire usian industry that relies on "new".
1229603;1438987531;chetty;ok, time machine to go in the past and retieve useable cards ..
1229604;1438987536;mircea_popescu;no more of that. all the way down to the bedrock.
1229605;1438987553;mircea_popescu;if they were dumb enough to lose the recipes, they'll have to reimplement based on our os.
1229606;1438987590;mircea_popescu;this "progress" bullshit is dumb and must die. there's nothing in the future but a buggy, half assed, stupid reimplementation of the past.
1229607;1438987609;mircea_popescu;and no, technology doesn't "change everything". technology changes nothing and never did.
1229608;1438987645;chetty;well cars smell better than horses
1229609;1438987651;mircea_popescu;do they now.
1229610;1438987655;mircea_popescu;i never heard of horse smog.
1229611;1438987672;mircea_popescu;"Error : Your videocard is not old enough for you to be here. Get an older videocard and come back". this is what i wish to see.
1229612;1438987675;mircea_popescu;ubiquitously.
1229613;1438987791;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229602    I like this philosophy
1229614;1438987791;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 22:45:19; mircea_popescu: break the entire usian industry that relies on "new".
1229615;1438987813;jurov;hardware does break down.... will mircea_popescu take over chinese factories to manufacture old stuff?
1229616;1438987861;trinque;problem to worry about when the metric shitloads of old hardware available everywhere vanish
1229617;1438987863;danielpbarron;i bought this laptop (the one on which I play Eulora) specifically for its video card; at the time I needed to be able to play Dota and minecraft on linux
1229618;1438987881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123200 @ 0.00057021 = 70.2499 BTC [-] {6} 
1229619;1438987911;trinque;scrap shop nearby has entirely passable computers for 50 bucks
1229620;1438987950;mircea_popescu;jurov yes.
1229621;1438987989;mircea_popescu;will you take over the writing of your language and write stuff jurov ?
1229622;1438987994;mircea_popescu;da fuck question is this.
1229623;1438988002;mircea_popescu;i'm not twelve.
1229624;1438988021;mircea_popescu;if i'm not taking it over, who the fuck is, "the state" ? aliens ? chtulhu ?
1229625;1438988028;mircea_popescu;i ain't waiting for jwz to wake up.
1229626;1438988062;mircea_popescu;i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
1229627;1438988133;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229496 << eulora client is actually community maintained. always has been.
1229628;1438988133;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 19:03:22; ben_vulpes: i imagined a path the other night where chetty actually stopped maintaining her owhn client
1229629;1438988140;mircea_popescu;and there's no particular intention for there to only be one.
1229630;1438988212;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229502 << i am, and i did, and i see no problem with any of this. you may go to a museum whether you wish to take notes or draw copies, why should anyone care ? "oh but the statues were expensive to make, how dare you write abnout them, you should draw! el minimo respeto!!11" ??
1229631;1438988212;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 19:04:47; ascii_field: and who, if the screenshots on his www are anything to go on, is playing the video version
1229632;1438988307;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229524 << not at all the case. it's just not implemented yet, but otherwise, add "permadeath" and "universal pvp" see what it comes to.
1229633;1438988307;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 19:10:23; ben_vulpes: i just recall faint intimations that it wasn't quite the focus as it is in eve or wow
1229634;1438988330;mircea_popescu;for that matter, eulora is not pve, it's evp. in point of fact player activity will attract environment challenges. you build a house, ogres come to it sort of thing.
1229635;1438988348;mircea_popescu;so it's not that it's not "pvp based" it's more that even its pve is really pvp by another name.
1229636;1438988452;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229535 < < yeah fact is the players are yet very poor - plenty of items haven't even been crafted yet, most types of claims haven't been found etc. it's cooperative necessarily, like stranded people on an island/plane crash site don't exactly start bvuilding forts and playing war.
1229637;1438988452;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 19:12:10; danielpbarron: there are like.. 12 players right now. wouldn't make much sense for us to start killing each other (not that death has been implemented yet)
1229638;1438988468;mircea_popescu;so not yet really implemented. but... the shadows await, all around, every night. and in the shadows, the grues...
1229639;1438988545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229558 << ;lol this guy
1229640;1438988545;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 19:22:41; danielpbarron: hahha yeah right i'm gonna play some game that isn't eulora
1229641;1438988669;mircea_popescu;https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/6a3f639cbbdd78bf333d09b73bcdca3c?s=96&d=mm&r=g << this dude's deeply retarded srsly.
1229642;1438988670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSXXaX )
1229643;1438988674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00057639 = 19.3091 BTC [+]
1229644;1438988683;mircea_popescu;if he iomagines that screeching pile of a failure mode is "lessons learned" and whatnot...
1229645;1438988718;mircea_popescu;"we make doing nothing on vc money less painful emotionally and so cvould you!"
1229646;1438988734;mircea_popescu;i'd rather read about flies fuck
1229647;1438988744;mircea_popescu;(in a jar, in a lab, in which someone put glucose. of course.)
1229648;1438988857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66750 @ 0.00057639 = 38.474 BTC [+]
1229649;1438989345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51247 @ 0.00059956 = 30.7257 BTC [+] {4} 
1229650;1438989406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71137 @ 0.00059959 = 42.653 BTC [+]
1229651;1438989528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00058846 = 57.1983 BTC [-]
1229652;1438989791;mircea_popescu;trinque ubuntu folks had the process down pat for their thing, which is how i even ended up recommending it, briefly.
1229653;1438989795;mircea_popescu;sadly, it did it for ubuntu.
1229654;1438989820;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'm close; show ya something tomorrow
1229655;1438989849;trinque;and if there are suggestions on different libc, etc., should be very easy to change
1229656;1438989910;mircea_popescu;doing what, glibc gentoo ?
1229657;1438989920;trinque;yep, but could just as well be musl
1229658;1438989928;mircea_popescu;and cli only ?
1229659;1438989941;trinque;I am open to offering options like the openbsd installer for say X, other things
1229660;1438989955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97400 @ 0.00059967 = 58.4079 BTC [+] {3} 
1229661;1438989965;mircea_popescu;should probably include an x and a sound, at least eventually.
1229662;1438989973;trinque;for sure
1229663;1438989978;mircea_popescu;i mean, where you headed with this maybe im confused. is this noob system ?
1229664;1438989985;trinque;yep, noob system
1229665;1438989988;trinque;response to my interaction with n6
1229666;1438990012;mircea_popescu;yeah. someone who deeply understands emacs could write a 100 page READABLE! INTERESTING! EMPOWERING! guide to emacs for it.
1229667;1438990016;trinque;and that's been the rub I think; what's the answer for a developer that shows up, and what's the answer for someone that wants to turn his life around
1229668;1438990022;mircea_popescu;but i fucking mean poetry, do not drone on like tech people do.
1229669;1438990058;mircea_popescu;all sorts of fun, useful & profitable derivations can be hooked on. good idea.
1229670;1438990142;mircea_popescu;was there a "lisp for 12 yos" anywhere ?
1229671;1438990158;trinque;I once read The Little Schemer, wasn't bad
1229672;1438990175;mircea_popescu;i don't recall if we like or loathe scheme
1229673;1438990177;mircea_popescu;!s scheme
1229674;1438990178;assbot;506 results for 'scheme' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scheme
1229675;1438990234;trinque;whereas CL appears to value completeness, scheme heads for the minimal set of primitives from which higher functionality can be derived
1229676;1438990239;mircea_popescu;i guess we like it.
1229677;1438990240;trinque;latter seems appropriate for a student
1229678;1438990243;mircea_popescu;aha.
1229679;1438990293;*;trinque departs for a bit
1229680;1438990345;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c9d4ff83a823627155ae18cd303fc8fe/tumblr_ne67eaH7DB1soaauko1_1280.jpg
1229681;1438990346;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwZ3TC )
1229682;1438990687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58017 @ 0.00060262 = 34.9622 BTC [+] {4} 
1229683;1438990868;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229582 << if meant 'perly', i welcome suggestions of how it could be made less so. but - the incantation works. i encourage folks to try it. presently investigating how to re-sign things while preserving all timestamps.
1229684;1438990868;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 22:40:14; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229433 << it's pearly :D
1229685;1438990887;mircea_popescu;i am ALSO just ribbing you.
1229686;1438990939;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229596 << i've been making something quite like this. (see last bullet in aug.'15 s.nsa broadcast for summary)
1229687;1438990939;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 22:44:28; trinque: mircea_popescu: thought here is to image a USB drive, and have that thing be able to push-button image a computer it has booted
1229688;1438990962;mircea_popescu;so work together eh ?
1229689;1438990975;mircea_popescu;help the guy draw the spec document and then let him do it, free a hand
1229690;1438991031;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229616 << laugh, but this is happening. esp. concerning gpu: several whole generations of nvidia products suffer from the dreaded bga ball defect, and have strictly limited lifespan.
1229691;1438991031;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 22:51:01; trinque: problem to worry about when the metric shitloads of old hardware available everywhere vanish
1229692;1438991065;asciilifeform;the vendors are insistent that this is no longer happening, but there is strong reason to not believe this any more than anything else that ever came out of their mouths
1229693;1438991073;asciilifeform;possibly 'rohs'/leadfree solder are at fault
1229694;1438991078;asciilifeform;and nobody cancelled them or is about to
1229695;1438991091;asciilifeform;(even cn is mostly unleaded now, in response to eu pressure)
1229696;1438991188;mircea_popescu;if it takes crushing the eu, the eu will be crushed.
1229697;1438991195;mircea_popescu;anything it takes.
1229698;1438991203;mircea_popescu;the "new" bullshit is going away.
1229699;1438991267;shinohai;dat ass mp
1229700;1438991269;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229671 << i own the whole series (all but the idiot java volume.) some of'em coloured by old gf, even. just last week got the latest 'little prover' in the post!
1229701;1438991269;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 23:29:18; trinque: I once read The Little Schemer, wasn't bad
1229702;1438991275;mircea_popescu;fortunately this is a point that won't take a second pass to explain to the chinese. or, for the most part, to the russians.
1229703;1438991305;asciilifeform;aha
1229704;1438991339;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229680 << woah, posh private lane.
1229705;1438991339;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 23:32:25; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c9d4ff83a823627155ae18cd303fc8fe/tumblr_ne67eaH7DB1soaauko1_1280.jpg
1229706;1438991341;*;asciilifeform envious
1229707;1438991360;asciilifeform;acoustic lining, even
1229708;1438991362;mircea_popescu;i thought this is how ranges are ?!
1229709;1438991368;mircea_popescu;how the fuck else ?
1229710;1438991370;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ahahahahahaha not here.
1229711;1438991373;asciilifeform;bare cement.
1229712;1438991376;mircea_popescu;...
1229713;1438991381;asciilifeform;*blam* *ears pop*
1229714;1438991383;mircea_popescu;wait.
1229715;1438991390;mircea_popescu;is that even legal ?
1229716;1438991401;mircea_popescu;afaik it's "wood or lining, no third option"
1229717;1438991413;asciilifeform;ubiquitous, sop
1229718;1438991417;mircea_popescu;wait.
1229719;1438991419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85735 @ 0.00058843 = 50.449 BTC [-] {4} 
1229720;1438991428;mircea_popescu;the fucktards in north america build out of wood what they should make out of cement
1229721;1438991432;asciilifeform;(in the locales in usa where shooting galleries are even a thing)
1229722;1438991437;mircea_popescu;AND THEN make out of cement the one thing you must make out of wood ?
1229723;1438991486;asciilifeform;also it is not uncommon for visitors to stand so close, they elbow one another
1229724;1438991512;mircea_popescu;by now you're really better off with some cans out in the field.
1229725;1438991523;asciilifeform;those who have a field nearby - do only this!
1229726;1438991529;asciilifeform;indoor galleries are for city folk
1229727;1438991550;mircea_popescu;well, it's hard to improve your aim with the cans. proper ranges have electronic measures
1229728;1438991567;asciilifeform;cans have analogue 'measure' (falls down or not)
1229729;1438991573;mircea_popescu;ya but...
1229730;1438991582;mircea_popescu;how do you go from 99 to 99.9
1229731;1438991582;asciilifeform;there are also 'fancy' targets that jump up and down when hit
1229732;1438991589;asciilifeform;folks with outdoor space often use those.
1229733;1438991601;mircea_popescu;but not really arbitrarily small ? also not convenient to keep moving sizes of items
1229734;1438991623;asciilifeform;http://www.rivercottagetables.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Target3.12893624_std.jpg << example
1229735;1438991624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS2W9W )
1229736;1438991647;mircea_popescu;check out the shooting caltrop
1229737;1438991654;asciilifeform;aha, bestseller
1229738;1438991669;mircea_popescu;i suppose another way would be to cut holes in cardboard and shoot through the hole.
1229739;1438991673;asciilifeform;http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1VYB0FVXXXXccXpXXq6xXFXXXN/200673464/HTB1VYB0FVXXXXccXpXXq6xXFXXXN.jpg << another common variant
1229740;1438991674;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS30qk )
1229741;1438991675;asciilifeform;gongs
1229742;1438991967;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229675 << complicated. scheme is an example of a 'suckless movement' that didn't catch on. that is, 'throw out all the legacy crud', but after that the thing has to be inhabited. if not inhabited, then dies young, while leaving, yes, beautiful corpse
1229743;1438991967;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 23:30:34; trinque: whereas CL appears to value completeness, scheme heads for the minimal set of primitives from which higher functionality can be derived
1229744;1438992025;asciilifeform;this was mostly understood by the enthusiasts around a decade ago, but some of the response was also pathological: 'let's bolt on a huge turd of a standard library'
1229745;1438992033;asciilifeform;which the 'official committee' did
1229746;1438992046;asciilifeform;landing in a kind of 'worst of both worlds' valley
1229747;1438992088;asciilifeform;scheme remains 1) a very clean scripting language to embed in another proggy 2) a very spiffy starting point for a future lisp (including hardware)
1229748;1438992143;asciilifeform;and 3) great student exercise, where the kids won't demand to hear why both 'elt' and 'nth' exist (perennial retardation example from cl, which was born in a 'no vendor left behind' multi-turdculturist compromise)
1229749;1438992192;asciilifeform;the original scheme ~standard~ is <50 pages.
1229750;1438992203;asciilifeform;of reasonably large text.
1229751;1438992215;asciilifeform;a ~reasonable~ scheme is about 1000 lines of c.
1229752;1438992237;asciilifeform;(half of this if you're willing to forgo informative error handling, and some of the more difficult features like 'call/cc')
1229753;1438992317;asciilifeform;https://github.com/catseye/minischeme << well-known example.
1229754;1438992318;assbot;catseye/minischeme · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS42CI )
1229755;1438992456;asciilifeform;scheme 'fits in head.'
1229756;1438992473;asciilifeform;https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html << device for fitting it into a head
1229757;1438992474;assbot;Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkcUVL )
1229758;1438992483;asciilifeform;... of computer programz.
1229759;1438992492;asciilifeform;^ mega-b00k
1229760;1438992531;asciilifeform;phun phakt: when it appeared, american schools began to use it as a mandatory undergrad textbook. and you can measure precisely when each school turned full-bore retard by ~when they stopped~
1229761;1438992556;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920453 << that sussman
1229762;1438992556;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 23:07:45; mircea_popescu: At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
1229763;1438992585;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097906 << see also.
1229764;1438992585;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:22:02; asciilifeform: re: the mit thing:
1229765;1438992616;asciilifeform;mit (the home of sussman and the original arena for this) officially became irredeemably doomed in my eyes when they stopped.
1229766;1438992669;asciilifeform;the book (lovingly referred to as sicp, 'sick pee') is a textbook illustration of precisely what i mean when i say 'fits in head'.
1229767;1438992716;asciilifeform;(describes not scheme per se, but walks the student through implementing scheme in scheme, and then implementing a detailed simulator for a machine which is the intrinsic minimum for executing scheme.)
1229768;1438992763;asciilifeform;the subject swallows own arse, and either disappears in a flash of gamma rays, or becomes an adult computerist
1229769;1438992989;nubbins`;hi
1229770;1438993029;asciilifeform;hi nubbins`
1229771;1438993047;nubbins`;what's new?
1229772;1438993056;asciilifeform;not much
1229773;1438993059;asciilifeform;but it's all in the logz.
1229774;1438993077;nubbins`;no kidding, hey.
1229775;1438993182;nubbins`;i designed some posters this week: http://imgur.com/a/QhwUN
1229776;1438993182;assbot;Shed Island 2015 Posters - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1gketTz )
1229777;1438993427;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229626 << at -ev? thing is, nobody ever invented 'reasonably priced electronics sold to sane people.' that is, no one has ever demonstrated the economic feasibility of this. the only kinds of computer sold in perhaps 25 years were: a) sold to chumps buying forced 'pr0gr3ssss' and b) so expensive everyone shits his pants
1229778;1438993427;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 22:54:22; mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
1229779;1438993462;asciilifeform;see also the old thread re: how no one ever, to date, non-fraudulently financed the production of a bitcoin miner.
1229780;1438993535;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu suddenly feels like commissioning the production of an ic from own personal lunch money, who am i to discourage
1229781;1438993555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4721 @ 0.00058309 = 2.7528 BTC [-]
1229782;1438993604;asciilifeform;but this is very different from how the computer on everyone's desk was built
1229783;1438993639;asciilifeform;and if attempted with any kind of scale, will make plutonium look cheap and plentiful in comparison.
1229784;1438993684;asciilifeform;summary: nobody knows how to make selling computers +ev without the millions-of-planktonous-idiots market being involved somehow
1229785;1438993722;nubbins`;hm, asicminer fraudulently produced ASIC production?
1229786;1438993727;*;nubbins` wanders off in search of thread
1229787;1438993730;asciilifeform;nubbins`: by fronting
1229788;1438993740;asciilifeform;and front-mining.
1229789;1438993747;nubbins`;o, right
1229790;1438993749;asciilifeform;afaik all without exception miner vendors did this.
1229791;1438993751;asciilifeform;heavily.
1229792;1438993768;nubbins`;recall Avalons showing up w/ mining pool info left in config files etc
1229793;1438993785;asciilifeform;no one even tried to hide.
1229794;1438993796;nubbins`;why would you? everyone who bothered to think knew
1229795;1438993807;nubbins`;everyone who just saw $$$ stopped thinking
1229796;1438993816;asciilifeform;the perpetrators were convinced that the chumps were convinced that there is simply no other way.
1229797;1438993835;asciilifeform;(and who am i to contend that they were wrong?)
1229798;1438993861;nubbins`;^ you buy a butchered pig, the farmer's keeping your tenderloin tips.
1229799;1438993866;asciilifeform;production of ic is an ~intensely, ruinously~ expensive affair, quite on par with space flight
1229800;1438993878;asciilifeform;very few folks seem to understand the full depth of this
1229801;1438993887;nubbins`;am i incorrect in that AM etc early models essentially just baked an FPGA design?
1229802;1438993895;asciilifeform;nubbins`: afaik they STILL do
1229803;1438993898;asciilifeform;!s hardcopy fpga
1229804;1438993898;assbot;4 results for 'hardcopy fpga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hardcopy+fpga
1229805;1438993900;nubbins`;ah, heh.
1229806;1438993918;nubbins`;yeah, sure
1229807;1438993940;asciilifeform;just to add to the already forming lsd trip in this thread: i'm not personally convinced that ic production HAS EVER BEEN +EV
1229808;1438993947;nubbins`;o.O
1229809;1438993960;asciilifeform;it is conceivable the the entire ic age has been fueled by a continuously-rolling 'jam tomorrow' bezzle
1229810;1438993962;nubbins`;you gotta qualify that w/ scale or smth
1229811;1438994022;asciilifeform;ussr, for instance, just about broke its back producing ic (and cloned computers of various descriptions.) it is not clear that these paid for themselves, regardless of how you measure economic
1229812;1438994028;asciilifeform;in fact, they... well.
1229813;1438994063;nubbins`;TBH i think stuff like VLSI is only kept going because everyone involved is afraid the machines won't start up again if they stop
1229814;1438994075;asciilifeform;something can well be ubiquitous, fun to have around, considered a basic element of civilization - and ultimately be -EV.
1229815;1438994085;asciilifeform;sitting on the 'expense' side of the ledger for running civilization.
1229816;1438994095;nubbins`;like parties, for example.
1229817;1438994100;asciilifeform;all good and well, we all want toilets, condoms, cpus.
1229818;1438994108;asciilifeform;but too much of this and - broke.
1229819;1438994118;asciilifeform;and 'why did we collapse'
1229820;1438994138;nubbins`;ooh, is it because we drowned in plastic and trademarked seeds?
1229821;1438994156;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223740 << see also.
1229822;1438994156;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 04:05:11; asciilifeform: 'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)
1229823;1438994433;nubbins`;and then i found myself in a spiral of photolitho articles.
1229824;1438994454;*;nubbins` drools, imagines machinery
1229825;1438994559;funkenstein_;I just bought: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs - 2nd Edition (MIT Electrical Engineering and Computer Science)
1229826;1438994741;funkenstein_;Gresham's law of computing: bad codez drives out good, when both accepted by noobz
1229827;1438994774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00058716 = 47.7361 BTC [+] {4} 
1229828;1438994816;nubbins`;was gonna argue but realized i misread
1229829;1438994817;nubbins`;+1
1229830;1438994824;trinque;asciilifeform: how bout I show you what I've produced tomorrow re: self-replicating gentoo and get your feedback?
1229831;1438994837;trinque;idea is the same thing on the stick ends up on the computer, then the computer's equipped to repeat
1229832;1438994873;trinque;I am to the point where a bootable root.img is repeatably produced
1229833;1438994979;nubbins`;lel.
1229834;1438994981;nubbins`;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/23/call-off-the-bee-pocalypse-u-s-honeybee-colonies-hit-a-20-year-high/
1229835;1438994982;assbot;Call off the bee-pocalypse: U.S. honeybee colonies hit a 20-year high - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVYqZK )
1229836;1438994996;nubbins`;from log
1229837;1438995022;nubbins`;"call off the police: law-abiding citizen count higher than ever"
1229838;1438995175;nubbins`;o hey, friend of mine designed an album cover for an astronaut.
1229839;1438995201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99860 @ 0.00058083 = 58.0017 BTC [-] {5} 
1229840;1438995323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.00057882 = 33.2532 BTC [-]
1229841;1438995933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00057808 = 35.0606 BTC [-] {3} 
1229842;1438996740;asciilifeform;trinque: aha
1229843;1438996792;asciilifeform;re: ic thread: whole thing is kinda coming together in my skull. quite likely ~^^this^^~ is why it is impossible to borrow money to fund a computer-related anything, without a convincing plan to somehow pass the bezzle to a greater chump
1229844;1438996814;asciilifeform;~this~ is why just about every large ic maker in history has either gone broke or become a quasi-governmental entity
1229845;1438996863;asciilifeform;note that 'people want computerz' is not enough for the industry to be +ev
1229846;1438996872;asciilifeform;i.e., people want dildoes. yes.
1229847;1438996893;asciilifeform;but what if a dildo intrinsically cost more to make, energy/resource-wise, than the user could ever hope to repay ?
1229848;1438996897;asciilifeform;it'd be rather like spacewalks
1229849;1438996915;asciilifeform;so it is not enough for there to be a market of want-ers. they also gotta be pay-ers
1229850;1438996954;asciilifeform;but if the treat is delicious enough, and bezzlatronics invented, the non-pay-er want-ers easily turn into borrowers.
1229851;1438996985;nubbins`;When asked, hypothetically, how he would pay for complicated life-saving surgery for a loved one, Polk seemed uncertain. "That's a lot of vegetables, isn't it?" he said.
1229852;1438996994;asciilifeform;^
1229853;1438997002;nubbins`;(from http://www.theonion.com/article/us-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money-2912)
1229854;1438997003;assbot;404 - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkmKXQ )
1229855;1438997017;nubbins`;whoops, guess that broke assbot's url handler
1229856;1438997020;nubbins`;(from http://www.theonion.com/article/us-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money-2912 )
1229857;1438997021;assbot;U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkmM1K )
1229858;1438997049;asciilifeform;practical outgrowth of this hypothesis is that, if it is true, quite likely that most of the cpu that will EVER be produced, have been produced.
1229859;1438997065;nubbins`;peak silicon!
1229860;1438997065;asciilifeform;ditto anything else which requires vlsi
1229861;1438997088;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html << quite obligatory.
1229862;1438997089;assbot;ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkmVSV )
1229863;1438997123;asciilifeform;'This, then, should be the new main thrust of industrial activity: to manufacture and distribute products with the understanding that this process will run out of resources and stop. These products must be designed to outlive the process by which they are made, by as long as possible.'
1229864;1438997169;asciilifeform;orlov does conflate several unrelated phenomena (in particular, zooming into resource exhaustion to the exclusion of just about all other aspects of problem)
1229865;1438997190;nubbins`;good enough to keep me going until it's time to head out
1229866;1438997239;asciilifeform;the basic problem with -ev is not that eventually you run out of shitanium and unobtainium (though you will) but that you will be getting poorer, monotonically, and not realize precisely why
1229867;1438997244;asciilifeform;and then run up other 'debts'
1229868;1438997257;asciilifeform;in a vain attempt to avoid being ground into mud
1229869;1438997340;asciilifeform;to bring back to concretes, ussr could have done something else with the manpower they sank into cloning pdp, z80
1229870;1438997345;asciilifeform;and churning out those things
1229871;1438997386;nubbins`;but what!
1229872;1438997392;asciilifeform;not a question for me
1229873;1438997418;asciilifeform;ask the folks in the alt-universe where vlsi didn't happen
1229874;1438997428;asciilifeform;perhaps biological strange of some kind
1229875;1438997440;asciilifeform;perhaps herbert's 'mentats', l0l
1229876;1438997483;mod6;I'm gonna re-tackle the rotor build tomorrow btw.
1229877;1438997490;asciilifeform;mod6: neato!
1229878;1438997500;mod6;Been bogged down with fiat job manditory overtime bs.
1229879;1438997658;asciilifeform;i am now looking for the mircea_popescu article where he hypothesized that 'bezzle' is, without exception, born out of people doing things that are -ev on the large scale - in just the same way as elements heavier than iron are born in supernova
1229880;1438997662;nubbins`;heh
1229881;1438997665;nubbins`;dem mentats!
1229882;1438997673;asciilifeform;if anyone has the link (or if i hallucinated this existing) please say.
1229883;1438997674;*;nubbins` applauds softly
1229884;1438997761;asciilifeform;just to work out example on a napkin. say you, a king, want a pyramid built. could a) conscript ten thousand folks to work to death building it   b) debase the currency and hire builders
1229885;1438997763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238450 @ 0.00056928 = 135.7448 BTC [-] {9} 
1229886;1438997786;asciilifeform;i contend that (b) necessarily involves the same amount of enslavement as (a)
1229887;1438997791;asciilifeform;just distributed another way.
1229888;1438997834;asciilifeform;the thing that makes the pyramid a pyramid, at least in a schoolbook example, is that it is not something anyone (but the king) actually ~wants~ that much
1229889;1438997849;asciilifeform;while being costly
1229890;1438997873;*;asciilifeform is roughly aware that the story of actual egyptian pyramids was rather more complicated
1229891;1438997925;asciilifeform;anyway this thread really cannot go anywhere without a mircea_popescu, so i will leave it here.
1229892;1438997959;nubbins`;heh
1229893;1438997978;nubbins`;the pyramid builders had one more thing going for them
1229894;1438998001;nubbins`;and it's the same thing that the church builders had going for them
1229895;1438998018;asciilifeform;could be done 'on installment plan', aha.
1229896;1438998018;nubbins`;altho the church builders were generally more free to fuck off and do something else
1229897;1438998027;asciilifeform;function of above.
1229898;1438998045;asciilifeform;didn't really have a 'takeoff velocity'
1229899;1438998051;nubbins`;nah, what i was going at is that people wanted to do it for free
1229900;1438998058;nubbins`;but, this is now a relic of the past
1229901;1438998068;nubbins`;no stonemasons work for the good of their community any longer
1229902;1438998089;asciilifeform;find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other.
1229903;1438998102;nubbins`;not in 1st world anyway. when i was in the sacred valley of peru, right in the middle of a 7 hour hike i came across a bunch of guys building a church outta mud bricks
1229904;1438998112;asciilifeform;mud bricks - can have.
1229905;1438998117;asciilifeform;space launch, si fab - no.
1229906;1438998134;nubbins`;asciilifeform the fact that the si and hf exists means the guy's probably not as much of a fuckin rube as the dude who built the church his grandfather was married in
1229907;1438998151;nubbins`;there's tricks you can still pull and tricks you can't
1229908;1438998159;nubbins`;salvation is on its way out as a motivator
1229909;1438998165;asciilifeform;long ago.
1229910;1438998181;nubbins`;science sort of drives it out
1229911;1438998203;asciilifeform;http://orwell.ru/library/articles/notes/english/e_notew << see also.
1229912;1438998204;assbot;George Orwell: Notes on the Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkpEMc )
1229913;1438998255;nubbins`;this intro sold me on the rest of it
1229914;1438998369;mircea_popescu;and on the light front, http://36.media.tumblr.com/82e04f73b678c13af881ca4eea36f11d/tumblr_nbjghbxS3F1tve9e7o1_1280.jpg
1229915;1438998373;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W72p8Z )
1229916;1438998434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68212 @ 0.0006019 = 41.0568 BTC [+] {5} 
1229917;1438998467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "not inhabited" part holds its own mystery. did it provide an edge to users ? then, how come not used - is it the current castration of "thinking" folk that prevented them from deplyoing it ? something else ?
1229918;1438998473;mircea_popescu;if not advantage, why is it even here.
1229919;1438998495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174188 @ 0.00061043 = 106.3296 BTC [+] {6} 
1229920;1438998512;mircea_popescu;not that the presence of "official committees" isn't a sign that the thing's dead/dying.
1229921;1438998599;nubbins`;oh, city workers knocked on my door the other day requesting entry for "propertyassessment"
1229922;1438998615;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that.
1229923;1438998620;mircea_popescu;the soviet thing ?
1229924;1438998651;nubbins`;it's where they count your bathrooms and look at your basement and make sure they're charging you enough property tax
1229925;1438998675;nubbins`;and the homeowner tells you to fuck off
1229926;1438998709;mircea_popescu;you should charge.
1229927;1438998734;mircea_popescu;"guided tour, naked - $50. add $1000 per oz of clothes. shoes $500 flat fee."
1229928;1438998752;mircea_popescu;"pictures - you take, $10 each ; of you - free"
1229929;1438998765;nubbins`;heh
1229930;1438998769;nubbins`;actually it's the other way around
1229931;1438998782;mircea_popescu;orly.
1229932;1438998784;nubbins`;you don't let em in, they're forced to do their assessment from the street
1229933;1438998794;nubbins`;and you waive the right to appeal o.O
1229934;1438998799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229626 << at -ev? <<  the concept of ev does not apply in that context.
1229935;1438998799;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 22:54:22; mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
1229936;1438998811;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no such thing. you can't waive by refusal.
1229937;1438998857;mircea_popescu;"by sucking my cock you waive your right to complain about its girth" < formally valid law.
1229938;1438998872;mircea_popescu;"by refusing to suck my cock you waive your right to fart" < formally invalid.
1229939;1438998893;nubbins`;"by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't"
1229940;1438998900;mircea_popescu;nope.
1229941;1438998911;mircea_popescu;you don't claim "that you don't".
1229942;1438998913;nubbins`;"by refusing the breathalyzer, you waive the right to claim you're sober"
1229943;1438998922;mircea_popescu;and this "you made me do" bs is for tired mothers.
1229944;1438998924;*;nubbins` shrugs
1229945;1438998928;nubbins`;listen, i don't disagree
1229946;1438998929;mircea_popescu;except no, you don't.
1229947;1438998936;nubbins`;but am i gonna spend a year in court arguing it?
1229948;1438998951;mircea_popescu;if they lose they pay, right ?
1229949;1438998968;nubbins`;meantime, i have paper to cut, feet to rest on coffee tables...
1229950;1438998982;nubbins`;the process of making them lose is itself an unreasonable burden
1229951;1438998982;mircea_popescu;which means, i'll spend fifty, because hey, it keeps one or more lawyers owing me for the bread i provided them
1229952;1438998991;mircea_popescu;depends. if it is the place sucks.
1229953;1438998998;mircea_popescu;generally it's quite lucrative.
1229954;1438999008;nubbins`;i have neither the means nor the will
1229955;1438999036;mircea_popescu;you need like a patron over there.
1229956;1438999044;nubbins`;and not just of the arts, either
1229957;1438999062;mircea_popescu;incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut.
1229958;1438999088;nubbins`;too many electric cutters
1229959;1438999098;nubbins`;we're more of a quality over quantity sort of shop
1229960;1438999123;mircea_popescu;aha
1229961;1438999155;nubbins`;i do have a lovely plough, cca 14th century tech, that can trim a phone book cleaner than the phone book factory does
1229962;1438999181;nubbins`;cuts so clean you could shave in 'em.
1229963;1438999184;mircea_popescu;but not cheaper.
1229964;1438999221;nubbins`;goodness no.
1229965;1438999242;nubbins`;this isn't always the metric tho
1229966;1438999263;mircea_popescu;i have a dog that can slobber better than any race horse :D
1229967;1438999286;*;nubbins` points to client who paid $1ea for business cards, printed and trimmed by hand, because digital offset shop w/ electronic die cutter did such a shitty job o.O
1229968;1438999290;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, im done ruining your fun, bbl.
1229969;1438999298;nubbins`;wait, i was having fun? :D
1229970;1438999306;mircea_popescu;hehe
1229971;1438999392;nubbins`;http://www.louet.nl/en/bookbinding-vertical-plough
1229972;1438999393;assbot;Louët :: Vertical Plough ... ( http://bit.ly/1W7412z )
1229973;1438999395;nubbins`;^ my beast
1229974;1438999448;nubbins`;~$700usd plus s&h
1229975;1438999474;nubbins`;add a spare blade, i think i dropped close to a thou on that fucking thing
1229976;1438999574;nubbins`;anyway i should go listen to music and inhale drug smoke
1229977;1438999575;nubbins`;peace
1229978;1439002237;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229917 << a unified standard library never formed. a few implementation-specific fairly complete libraries - did, but the kind of folks attracted to scheme all turned nose at them (incl. me) - 'ewww, not orthogonal, not beautiful, not scheme at all' -- them (and me)
1229979;1439002237;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:47:47; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "not inhabited" part holds its own mystery. did it provide an edge to users ? then, how come not used - is it the current castration of "thinking" folk that prevented them from deplyoing it ? something else ?
1229980;1439002263;asciilifeform;hence naggum pissing on scheme as a 'pedo' language that is only loved by folks who like the embryonic stage of things when they have no wrinkles (by his lights)
1229981;1439002340;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229939 << speaking of naggum, recall that this is how he was taxed to death
1229982;1439002340;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:54:53; nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't"
1229983;1439002342;asciilifeform;(literally)
1229984;1439002407;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229957 << orlov's mafia development stage. this is available ~right now~ just as in 1880 cosa nostra. BUT they use an ethnic filter to keep out usg. (the only filter known to work semi-reliably, sadly)
1229985;1439002407;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:57:42; mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut.
1229986;1439002413;asciilifeform;so nubbins` or asciilifeform cannot play
1229987;1439002578;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229934 << nobody cancelled thermodynamics. the concept ultimately applies - to various degrees - to anything one might do.
1229988;1439002578;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:53:19; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229626 << at -ev? <<  the concept of ev does not apply in that context.
1229989;1439002613;asciilifeform;meaning, roughly, whether one can carry on doing it without borrowing/stealing something from somewhere outside the system under consideration
1229990;1439002614;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229811 << in the movie 'Interstellar', the 'space race' is taught to children as a thing the us used to bankrupt the ussr, and rocket jockeys are villified
1229991;1439002614;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 00:33:42; asciilifeform: ussr, for instance, just about broke its back producing ic (and cloned computers of various descriptions.) it is not clear that these paid for themselves, regardless of how you measure economic
1229992;1439002637;asciilifeform;^ not far from fact
1229993;1439002751;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229941 << similar system in usa. if you don't 'file tax', not only is there a fine levied, but the tax charged will be based on what usg 'thinks' you could have earned that year.
1229994;1439002751;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:55:11; mircea_popescu: you don't claim "that you don't".
1229995;1439002838;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ought to look up precisely what it is that folks are trying to get out of when they sue to be formally expelled from usa citizenship
1229996;1439002852;asciilifeform;it is, largely, this.
1229997;1439002948;mircea_popescu;i don't get the usl part.
1229998;1439002959;asciilifeform;??
1229999;1439002959;mircea_popescu;why would it not form, if useful ? why would it be sought, if not useful ?
1230000;1439002966;mircea_popescu;universal standard library
1230001;1439003030;asciilifeform;because required 1) someone to write it 2) who could 'win' on one of the roughly 5 'standard wins' that i outline in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305
1230002;1439003032;assbot;Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2NPAC )
1230003;1439003048;mircea_popescu;so it never attracted thinking people ?
1230004;1439003056;asciilifeform;(i.e. by force of army, by 'everyone else sucks so profoundly in comparison that there can be no debate', ...
1230005;1439003059;asciilifeform;)
1230006;1439003081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it also did not help that scheme was used as a torture ritual in schools
1230007;1439003102;mircea_popescu;on the ethnic filter point, a) it was not actulaly the case historically (new york by ww1 was just about getting to the point of advancement) ; b) it'sjust the lazy man's approach to things. doesn't work, either.
1230008;1439003103;asciilifeform;what work went on, was geared towards pedagogics
1230009;1439003131;mircea_popescu;so it never actually provided an ysort of advantage, but merely the promise of perhaps one day.
1230010;1439003155;asciilifeform;it solved approximately half the problem: 'kill the cruft'
1230011;1439003163;mircea_popescu;i see.
1230012;1439003166;asciilifeform;but only showed a vague sketch of how to solve the remaining half
1230013;1439003171;asciilifeform;'construct a habitable planet'
1230014;1439003186;mircea_popescu;re the thermodynamics : people live and then die. their time is fundamentally free. no thermodynamics applies here.
1230015;1439003200;asciilifeform;sorta like an old cement warehouse, somehow infested with vermin. yes, must exterminate the vermin. but then what.
1230016;1439003232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even when free, there are finite things they can do
1230017;1439003248;asciilifeform;when building pyramid, you aren't harvesting fields, and somehow somebody will have to eat a bit less.
1230018;1439003318;mircea_popescu;this was true then.
1230019;1439003327;mircea_popescu;today, if you're not doing that you're doing what, twitter ?
1230020;1439003351;asciilifeform;the age of petrol-to-food (however long that lasts) cancelled only that particular aspect of the conservation law
1230021;1439003355;asciilifeform;but not others.
1230022;1439003378;mircea_popescu;lasts forever. the way they grow pot is the way we'llgrow food in short order.
1230023;1439003389;asciilifeform;only if fix RuBisCo
1230024;1439003393;mircea_popescu;no petrol involved at any point. straight uranium.
1230025;1439003437;asciilifeform;sadly, more complicated. just the turbine lives and dies by plenty of petrol-based lube
1230026;1439003442;mircea_popescu;used to be petrol -> corned beef.
1230027;1439003448;mircea_popescu;moving on to uranium -> hfcs.
1230028;1439003458;mircea_popescu;synthetic means, synthetic.
1230029;1439003469;mircea_popescu;can start with dead babies, enough c in there.
1230030;1439003476;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu like just about everybody else at this point is muttering 'fischer-tropsch'
1230031;1439003495;asciilifeform;but this is one of those 'yes, possible' but 'no, no one is inventing this parachute and we're already thrown from window' affairs.
1230032;1439003496;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1230033;1439003510;mircea_popescu;this aside, if you will.
1230034;1439003516;asciilifeform;notice that it did not save germany, though it had every desire to live.
1230035;1439003542;mircea_popescu;well sure, it didn't save franz josef either. wtf.
1230036;1439003544;asciilifeform;but sure, aside. there is still such a thing as -ev on civilization scale
1230037;1439003551;mircea_popescu;on civilisation scale, yes.
1230038;1439003564;mircea_popescu;on "who is going to do X thing - nobody", no.
1230039;1439003588;asciilifeform;when some resource that is ultimately finite (petro, selenium, shitanium whatever) is squandered faster than it can be recovered and various things 'have come to expect' and begin to tear apart.
1230040;1439003600;mircea_popescu;that was broadly my point, that the infantile "usg closes down so we're closing this park, and you'll be sorry!11" dies right here.
1230041;1439003605;mircea_popescu;there WILL be alternative.
1230042;1439003609;asciilifeform;and folks usually begin and end the discussion with minerals
1230043;1439003621;asciilifeform;whereas i suspect that it is only a small part of the great shortages
1230044;1439003622;mircea_popescu;the state, bulbously putrescent as it is, does not get to propose the false dichotomy - "us or nothing"
1230045;1439003659;asciilifeform;notice i mentioned su likewise
1230046;1439003665;mircea_popescu;whosoever.
1230047;1439003681;mircea_popescu;the soviets need stalin like i need my nail clippings.
1230048;1439003693;asciilifeform;hypothesis, roughly, that vlsi might turn out to be yet another very expensive religious ritual
1230049;1439003697;asciilifeform;like the easter island statues.
1230050;1439003711;mircea_popescu;fortunately there's very little actual matter consumed in vlsi.
1230051;1439003725;asciilifeform;well, and that minerals are not even half of the problem.
1230052;1439003762;mircea_popescu;i am somehow unconcerned.
1230053;1439003763;asciilifeform;oh hey.
1230054;1439003767;mircea_popescu;maybe my clueless side.
1230055;1439003809;asciilifeform;said the fella who sweats blood on account of misbehaving computers.
1230056;1439003816;asciilifeform;with the lot of us.
1230057;1439003830;mircea_popescu;heh i guess huh
1230058;1439003851;mircea_popescu;i mostly sweat elaborate curse words.
1230059;1439003913;decimation;I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz.  I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin.  Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining.  God bless all of you.
1230060;1439003985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00058464 = 45.9235 BTC [-]
1230061;1439004003;mircea_popescu;"I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're re
1230062;1439004004;mircea_popescu;sponsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. "
1230063;1439004005;mircea_popescu;see ?
1230064;1439004071;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228865 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228867 <<< mod6's guide was pretty straight forward when i used it to install gentoo, fell short on foundation's bitcoin though :\
1230065;1439004071;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:09; n6: How would someone get gentoo installed without this level of support?
1230066;1439004071;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:37; trinque: I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't
1230067;1439004120;trinque;was by no means a slight against mod6
1230068;1439004152;trinque;but an observation that one has to really reach back to remember what it's like to not even know how to describe what you're not understanding
1230069;1439004163;cazalla;trinque, wasn't implying that, more that if i could do it then probably anyone else here can do the same
1230070;1439004193;trinque;maybe so; the guy kinda diverged from the guide, but then that was because he didn't know what EFI vs BIOS was
1230071;1439004279;cazalla;ah fair enough, no EFI trip wire here
1230072;1439004420;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit.
1230073;1439004420;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 00:28:04; asciilifeform: summary: nobody knows how to make selling computers +ev without the millions-of-planktonous-idiots market being involved somehow
1230074;1439004430;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
1230075;1439004467;mircea_popescu;chiefly for the reason discussed earlier. there is literally nothing most people can do that's worth paying btc for.
1230076;1439004483;mircea_popescu;ie, "$lice of all value that will ever exist"
1230077;1439004538;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229807 << you'll have to explain how you measure the V.
1230078;1439004538;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 00:32:20; asciilifeform: just to add to the already forming lsd trip in this thread: i'm not personally convinced that ic production HAS EVER BEEN +EV
1230079;1439004715;mircea_popescu;there is a directly obvious place where this is true. the way i approach a problem ? i have someone do it by hand. after enough of this, i have someone else automatize the easy to automatize parts. it grows from there.
1230080;1439004766;mircea_popescu;the way "computer expert" approaches a problem ? first, he sits around imagining a problem that might be. then he comes up with the most theoretically-lovable way to solve a general problem three steps removed from what he imagined. then he proceeds to fail to implement a solution that mostly works.
1230081;1439004784;mircea_popescu;time he spent = 10 to 100x time he saved, not to mention he saves time that's not worth saving in the first place.
1230082;1439004788;mircea_popescu;this, yes, patently -EV.
1230083;1439004809;mircea_popescu;but this does not speak about the activity of computing, or automating, or process design. it merely speaks of the idiot in question, and his tribe.
1230084;1439004839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005912 = 13.6567 BTC [+]
1230085;1439004841;mircea_popescu;"all i did all week was write a program to save me one keystroke per month - INCREASE WORKEFICIENCY!1"
1230086;1439005246;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229875 << this is pointedly NOT what -ev means.
1230087;1439005246;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:30:40; asciilifeform: perhaps herbert's 'mentats', l0l
1230088;1439005294;mircea_popescu;dude he went away just as it was getting interesting.
1230089;1439005517;asciilifeform;back, had to put some food in
1230090;1439005523;mircea_popescu;aha
1230091;1439005528;mircea_popescu;so set out this thing again ?
1230092;1439005538;asciilifeform;vlsi as man-in-space
1230093;1439005544;asciilifeform;was the rough of it
1230094;1439005604;mircea_popescu;but looky : man in space is -ev in the sense that if you make a bill of the required materials, and then divide the stores by that, you come to a number that's < world pop.
1230095;1439005611;mircea_popescu;this is all. it just says "you can't send everyone"
1230096;1439005621;mircea_popescu;it does not say "sending 5, or 50 or 500 is "-ev""
1230097;1439005625;mircea_popescu;because ev is not defined.
1230098;1439005654;asciilifeform;the notion i was trying to get at is that presently existing units were financed on 100% 'jam tomorrow'
1230099;1439005657;asciilifeform;like bitcoin asics.
1230100;1439005667;mircea_popescu;you were financed the same way
1230101;1439005669;asciilifeform;i.e. that ~all~ asics are quite like bitcoin asics in that respect
1230102;1439005672;mircea_popescu;your parents decided to have a baby.
1230103;1439005674;mircea_popescu;what was that ?
1230104;1439005676;asciilifeform;aha but i'm cheaper.
1230105;1439005681;mircea_popescu;in what numbers ?
1230106;1439005727;asciilifeform;in just about any numbers one cares to pick. whether in minerals, or in joules, or in time of scarce experts tied up
1230107;1439005760;mircea_popescu;not so. average cost per kid over 1-18 is about 500k atm. that makes the stable cost quadrillions. computers don't cost that much.
1230108;1439005779;asciilifeform;500k in what, usg uni tuition ? l0l
1230109;1439005789;mircea_popescu;everything. starting with hiring the mother.
1230110;1439005813;asciilifeform;i had this whole 'trip' while holding a ru z80 in my hands and wondering why there is no more where it came from
1230111;1439005821;asciilifeform;if making such things is 'good business'
1230112;1439005835;mircea_popescu;2.5k calories a day * 365 * 20 is a decent chunk oif change even in hfcs terms
1230113;1439005844;asciilifeform;and then realized that virtually every tech entity of that period, is either dead or usgized
1230114;1439005855;asciilifeform;and came into existence via very questionable finance
1230115;1439005860;mircea_popescu;so ?
1230116;1439005911;asciilifeform;so perhaps computer can exist in the future of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230074 -- but only like an 18th c. church organ
1230117;1439005911;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:10; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
1230118;1439005921;asciilifeform;something which is a ~place~
1230119;1439005933;asciilifeform;near a locus of earthly power
1230120;1439005948;asciilifeform;because all of our machinery ~today~ was financed via 'britney'
1230121;1439005975;asciilifeform;no britney? welcome to 'univac', $1m half-z80.
1230122;1439006004;asciilifeform;(or, for completeness, some yet-entirely-undiscovered 'third road' where we make'em out of belly button lint)
1230123;1439006035;mircea_popescu;ftr, hfcs is 1-200 per 640 lb barrel. it's like sugar, about 4k calories per kg. so your kid costs
1230124;1439006062;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2500 * 365 * 20 / 4000 * .5
1230125;1439006063;gribble;2281.25
1230126;1439006069;mircea_popescu;about 2.5k if it were a pig.
1230127;1439006076;asciilifeform;there we go.
1230128;1439006090;mircea_popescu;still think 500k is an exaggeration ?
1230129;1439006094;asciilifeform;about same as small computer.
1230130;1439006125;mircea_popescu;the point of comparison weould be "pile of scrap metal in the approximate shape of a desktop"
1230131;1439006173;asciilifeform;at any rate, this edges into the territory of converting meters to litres and 'comparing the soft to the warm'
1230132;1439006179;mircea_popescu;okay.
1230133;1439006188;mircea_popescu;let's get back to your original idea. can you state it ?
1230134;1439006211;asciilifeform;my real question was 'is it possible to finance a computer without duping millions that they Must Upgrade Because (tm) ' ?
1230135;1439006215;mircea_popescu;(the only solution to the soft-warm comparison is a decent pair of tits)
1230136;1439006235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends. do you live in a world where most capital is uselessly distributed to idiots ?
1230137;1439006263;asciilifeform;hence my mental excursion in this gedankenexperiment to the world of j.s. bach and his organs
1230138;1439006285;asciilifeform;no britney there, no. but was it 'in the hands of idiots' still ?
1230139;1439006290;mircea_popescu;if people get "salaries" for doing "work" which have to then be collected back from them - the mcdonald, walmart, windows and britney spears are unavoidable.
1230140;1439006299;asciilifeform;aha
1230141;1439006302;mircea_popescu;otherwise, none of these exist.
1230142;1439006334;mircea_popescu;so your choice of whether you want a good computer or not reduces to whether you're willing to live without the mass delusion of you know, "democracy" or w/e it's called.
1230143;1439006338;asciilifeform;and here is where we meet up with vlsi boojum: you can't do vlsi economically if there is room for six computers total.
1230144;1439006350;asciilifeform;it ends up making space tourism look cheap.
1230145;1439006351;mircea_popescu;don't confuse things.
1230146;1439006360;mircea_popescu;the fact that there's room for six CAPITAL ALLOCATORS total
1230147;1439006367;mircea_popescu;does not mean there's room for any specified number of computers.
1230148;1439006371;asciilifeform;who then issue, like cannon?
1230149;1439006371;mircea_popescu;a million, zero, undefined.
1230150;1439006373;asciilifeform;i can see it.
1230151;1439006385;mircea_popescu;"this is the sword we use"
1230152;1439006387;mircea_popescu;"why ?"
1230153;1439006389;mircea_popescu;"shoot him."
1230154;1439006404;asciilifeform;ultima ratio regum (tm) !!
1230155;1439006425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94328 @ 0.00060731 = 57.2863 BTC [+] {4} 
1230156;1439006432;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Ultima_Ratio_Regum_Cannon.jpg << him
1230157;1439006434;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsrSmf )
1230158;1439006434;mircea_popescu;yes there may be a why somewhere. maybe there is. maybe they jacked off and spludged in that shape. none of your busienss in any case.
1230159;1439006457;asciilifeform;something quite like that.
1230160;1439006466;mircea_popescu;consider the problem of cannon in ww2. obviously, an -ev machinery IN OUR CURRENT PEACETIME TERMS.
1230161;1439006468;asciilifeform;but how do we end up ^there from _here
1230162;1439006472;mircea_popescu;at the time, its ev was UNDEFINED
1230163;1439006477;mircea_popescu;there were like 6 capital allocators
1230164;1439006480;mircea_popescu;did this mean 6 cannons total ?
1230165;1439006489;asciilifeform;this is why i said 'like cannon' aha.
1230166;1439006589;mircea_popescu;not even necessarily a likely or in any case the only stable solution
1230167;1439006607;asciilifeform;was trying to think of some others
1230168;1439006609;mircea_popescu;but the ev consideration, and the capital allocation consideration, and operations are three points forming a triangle
1230169;1439006617;asciilifeform;on the off chance that one of them happens to be engineerable
1230170;1439006631;mircea_popescu;the obvious one is the communitard "cooperative" thing socialists always rave about.
1230171;1439006635;mircea_popescu;"we've surpassed money"
1230172;1439006646;asciilifeform;where is the 'coop' z80 ?
1230173;1439006650;mircea_popescu;like you know, the one in the gand story
1230174;1439006654;mircea_popescu;well of fucking course it doesn't work
1230175;1439006664;mircea_popescu;(but that's because it never was given a chance. you know, like al's thing)
1230176;1439006666;asciilifeform;it tried, i have a bag of'em here
1230177;1439006669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00058431 = 5.3757 BTC [-] {3} 
1230178;1439006671;asciilifeform;but that was that
1230179;1439006749;mircea_popescu;and i'm entirely at a loss as to why you'd want to engineer THAT
1230180;1439006756;asciilifeform;(it is interesting that - afaik - no detailed production masks, notes, etc. from sov. clones of dec, zilog, etc. ever surfaced publicly during the collapse. quite possibly this is pure misfortune, the net did not arrive in time to catch'em, and/or no one digitized the materials)
1230181;1439006767;mircea_popescu;"my faucet leaks so i wonder how this gravity curvature of spacetime thing could be made to work to my benefit"
1230182;1439006786;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if only that were the answer.
1230183;1439006792;asciilifeform;for the mundane reason of wanting own si.
1230184;1439006792;mircea_popescu;the true answer is much more sad than that.
1230185;1439006803;asciilifeform;^ that nobody gave half a fuck ?
1230186;1439006805;*;asciilifeform knew that
1230187;1439006810;mircea_popescu;so you don't want to own a faucet, instead prefer to alter schroedinger with your mind ?
1230188;1439006811;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1230189;1439006815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, not that.
1230190;1439006827;mircea_popescu;you know what also was lost, exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason ?
1230191;1439006837;mircea_popescu;the detailed procedures of industry, as employed in the 1800s.
1230192;1439006842;asciilifeform;aha
1230193;1439006845;asciilifeform;the top hats!
1230194;1439006845;mircea_popescu;like, how they ACTUALLY made the fucking looms work.
1230195;1439006850;*;asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's article re: same
1230196;1439006854;mircea_popescu;the reason is... because... not having the much hated IP at the time,
1230197;1439006862;mircea_popescu;there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share.
1230198;1439006867;mircea_popescu;so they took it to grave and fuck you.
1230199;1439006880;asciilifeform;like dks and the lisp machine blueprints, aha
1230200;1439006900;asciilifeform;(i confronted him personally, at his house, he said 'stuff it')
1230201;1439006926;asciilifeform;and 'ip'
1230202;1439006958;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1230203;1439006971;mircea_popescu;so you know... that's the large thing here. unless we manage to make the wot actually work for this purpose
1230204;1439006977;mircea_popescu;we're in so many words proper fucked
1230205;1439006983;mircea_popescu;because ip is going away, there's no fixing it.
1230206;1439006985;asciilifeform;sorta what i was getting at
1230207;1439006989;mircea_popescu;and without it, we're back to 1800
1230208;1439006991;asciilifeform;(among other)
1230209;1439006997;asciilifeform;1300.
1230210;1439007004;mircea_popescu;somewhere between maybe.
1230211;1439007018;asciilifeform;1300+kalash
1230212;1439007023;asciilifeform;(for a spell anyway)
1230213;1439007078;mircea_popescu;the only good news is that wot can in fact owrk for this puropose. it solves it completely.
1230214;1439007085;mircea_popescu;whether it catches tho...
1230215;1439007099;mircea_popescu;but there's worse flags to die under, so there's that.
1230216;1439007118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in somewhat related nyooz, i've been experimenting with what for now i call 'v' - a very dumb 'versioner' that i've been writing, which eats solely 0) pgp keys 1) patches 2) signatures for same, many-to-many mapping of (2) to (1)
1230217;1439007125;asciilifeform;and walks graphz
1230218;1439007139;asciilifeform;once actually useful, will post draft.
1230219;1439007147;mircea_popescu;cool
1230220;1439007237;asciilifeform;(i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.)
1230221;1439007255;mircea_popescu;to celebrate, a) http://36.media.tumblr.com/553cb4545aac61708c7ee0e5ed3731b4/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo2_1280.jpg b) http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54ca2d22753e155762833ed0a90fab5/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo1_1280.jpg c) http://40.media.tumblr.com/fba60944df78dda1dda52e448775a54e/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo4_1280.jpg
1230222;1439007257;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IssZ5B )
1230223;1439007259;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IssXdH )
1230224;1439007260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IssZlU )
1230225;1439007263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this sounds like it.
1230226;1439007324;asciilifeform;programmatizing gpg is a pain, though.
1230227;1439007333;asciilifeform;(sorta like gcc..)
1230228;1439007340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00061555 = 23.6679 BTC [+] {5} 
1230229;1439007371;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229902 << i bet you that if you ship the suit and the si, hf etc to danielpbarron he's washing it.
1230230;1439007371;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other.
1230231;1439007406;asciilifeform;or i wash it.
1230232;1439007410;asciilifeform;which makes 2 washers.
1230233;1439007447;mircea_popescu;two washers coming right up : http://41.media.tumblr.com/0f2114f3bb7da3c41291fd29457bf6c4/tumblr_nc1i5hod2J1sitnino1_1280.jpg
1230234;1439007449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IstjB6 )
1230235;1439007470;asciilifeform;mm neat.
1230236;1439007689;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230197 << there is a famous and quasi-mythological story about ww2 factory where ппш-41 ( http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/11/112064/1619943-ars57_6.jpg ) was made.
1230237;1439007689;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 04:07:42; mircea_popescu: there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share.
1230238;1439007690;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXmF99 )
1230239;1439007701;asciilifeform;involved workmen pissing in barrels to anneal
1230240;1439007717;asciilifeform;and a serious lapse in quality when somehow the staffing rotated and this was not done
1230241;1439007749;*;asciilifeform believes that this tale, if has any factual ground, is a corruption of some other thing that was actually physically plausible
1230242;1439007832;asciilifeform;the basic root of the matter is that 'industrial production' is an abstraction ~on top of~ craftsmanship in the same way as the digital computer is an abstraction on top of analogue solid-state physics
1230243;1439007845;asciilifeform;the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks.
1230244;1439007897;mircea_popescu;this is a recurring theme throughout the history of agrarian civilisations trying to internalise the industrial revolution - chiefly by putting a bit of their flesh i nthe machine. the jews supposedly making bread out of goy boy blood, the wine made by stepping on grapes, the sovet factory that ceased to work once they forbade huyspeak...
1230245;1439007905;mircea_popescu;it's a thing.
1230246;1439007912;asciilifeform;the last time this surfaced in a major way was when cnc lathe & mill were introduced, in the '50s (paper tape!) and engineers took to the notion that machinists could now be dispensed with
1230247;1439007939;asciilifeform;this led to 'produce scrap metal at very high speed' (tm)
1230248;1439007944;mircea_popescu;lol
1230249;1439008100;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229411 <<< seems after about age 5 the wind changed and hillary has remained ugly ever since
1230250;1439008100;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 18:06:20; BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2015-info/trump-hair/trump-hair-history.htm vs. https://cryptome.org/2015-info/hillary-hair/hillary-hair-history.htm
1230251;1439008161;mircea_popescu;no way, hilary was a hottie in her teens and 20s
1230252;1439008216;asciilifeform;!up benkay
1230253;1439008221;asciilifeform;^ divorced ?
1230254;1439008227;benkay;no no
1230255;1439008229;cazalla;mircea_popescu, please to be providing example as i'm not seeing it
1230256;1439008416;mircea_popescu;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/30/article-2333538-1A12D171000005DC-329_634x921.jpg sorta thing
1230257;1439008417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isuv7K )
1230258;1439008438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00059264 = 6.3412 BTC [-]
1230259;1439008446;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/56a43e8b2097da536f106013219545ce/tumblr_nb8la5sWsj1tek4uno1_1280.jpg whatever.
1230260;1439008448;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsuznL )
1230261;1439008499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00061557 = 34.9028 BTC [+] {4} 
1230262;1439008553;asciilifeform;'where did all the ' txspam 'go, long time paaaassing, where did the' txspam 'go, long time ago...'
1230263;1439008573;asciilifeform;where have all the phat blox gone, they're all under 300K every one...
1230264;1439008575;ben_vulpes;'when will they ever learn?'
1230265;1439008584;asciilifeform;oooh when will they eeever learn
1230266;1439008600;ben_vulpes;where have all the core devs gone
1230267;1439008607;ben_vulpes;long time paaaaassing
1230268;1439008614;mircea_popescu;heh
1230269;1439008617;cazalla;mircea_popescu, one good, lucky, weird angled shot or in other words the exception that proves the rule, this ain't hot for a college chick
1230270;1439008648;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/dakami/status/629822315837009920?s=09 << from the l0lfarms
1230271;1439008656;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know the comparison is drastically unfair because fucktarded feminists of the 70s had nfi they are required to take nude cuntshots in bathroom or wear makeup
1230272;1439008670;asciilifeform;( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7bpa/brainwallet_shut_down_permanently_due_to << re same )
1230273;1439008735;mircea_popescu;why would brain wallets want or need a derpy website ?
1230274;1439008742;asciilifeform;why did 'truecrypt' ?
1230275;1439008756;asciilifeform;(which went to the same garbage collector in the sky, in approximately the same way)
1230276;1439008803;cazalla;a search of "1970s college chicks" turns up http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706084/The-yearbook-never-An-arts-college-1970s-hair-big-parties-raucous-nudity-welcomed-VERY-liberal.html
1230277;1439008804;assbot;'The yearbook we never had!' An arts college in the 1970s where the hair was big, the parties raucous and nudity welcomed among the VERY liberal | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isv8hq )
1230278;1439008812;ben_vulpes;"What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys???
1230279;1439008813;ben_vulpes;Yes, I have an offline backup but say they did not? How can they find the equivalent thing to get back their keys???"
1230280;1439008839;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you think that no one is ~that~ retarded... think again
1230281;1439008868;asciilifeform;but whole sheband is probably smoke for something else entirely.
1230282;1439008870;mircea_popescu;cazalla she was with the stupid girls, which is how she ended up in the shitter.
1230283;1439008870;ben_vulpes;just a tiny lolfruit i picked for the lolfarm
1230284;1439008873;asciilifeform;*shebang
1230285;1439008879;ben_vulpes;sheband lol
1230286;1439008884;mircea_popescu;think bitcoin chamber of commerce derpette, 40 years ago.
1230287;1439008897;ben_vulpes;oh yeah what's miss boring up to these days?
1230288;1439008897;asciilifeform;'Ryan is also the author of brainflayer, a utility that attempts to find a guided brute force solution to brainwallet addresses.'
1230289;1439008901;asciilifeform;^ somebody reads #b-a logz
1230290;1439008906;asciilifeform;re: 'coke machine'
1230291;1439008958;ben_vulpes;http://www.neverobsolete.com/girls/this-weeks-boring-pics-49-photos/
1230292;1439008961;assbot;This Week’s Boring Pics [49 photos] – Never Obsolete ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isvjt9 )
1230293;1439008988;ben_vulpes;http://digitalchamber.org/ << good ol con con
1230294;1439008989;assbot;Chamber of Digital Commerce - Chamber of Digital Commerce ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvkNL )
1230295;1439009072;asciilifeform;boring << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-07-2015#1196931
1230296;1439009072;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 19:30:37; ascii_field: where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so
1230297;1439009076;mircea_popescu;cazalla seems about as unhot as possible.
1230298;1439009106;mircea_popescu;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-2706084-1FFCC19200000578-982_964x637.jpg < srsly ?!
1230299;1439009107;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXpfMu )
1230300;1439009160;cazalla;well shit that slipped by my radar, i was looking more at the painted ass http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-2706084-1FFB770600000578-256_964x643.jpg
1230301;1439009161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXpkzO )
1230302;1439009198;cazalla;gotta be better than hillary anyway
1230303;1439009229;*;mircea_popescu goes to nekkid parties / occsionally fucks a slavegirl in public but they never to date looked this shitty. 
1230304;1439009231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00061557 = 39.4273 BTC [+] {3} 
1230305;1439009242;*;ben_vulpes has nfi why hillary's past looks matter
1230306;1439009253;ben_vulpes;she's as wrinkly as any other senator now
1230307;1439009261;ben_vulpes;death comes for us all
1230308;1439009270;mircea_popescu;DEATH! COMES FOR YOU ALL!
1230309;1439009273;asciilifeform;why does the Al in bauxite matter ?
1230310;1439009276;mircea_popescu;that was a great voiceover
1230311;1439009281;asciilifeform;there isn't much else useful in ol'clitler
1230312;1439009284;asciilifeform;than these photos.
1230313;1439009328;mircea_popescu;keeping it clean, http://40.media.tumblr.com/26c6ff72d59f5d496e80ab828277284e/tumblr_n76h71CWWP1s8h5eho1_1280.jpg
1230314;1439009329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvOUd )
1230315;1439009347;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040717 << see also.
1230316;1439009347;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 05:03:39; asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon'
1230317;1439009403;mircea_popescu;anyone recalls the crazed dwarf from baldur's gate ?
1230318;1439009410;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.'
1230319;1439009437;mircea_popescu;you're not well advised to judge women by their looks.
1230320;1439009448;asciilifeform;or city by ruins
1230321;1439009457;asciilifeform;but if that's all the archaeologist has - judge, judge.
1230322;1439009493;mircea_popescu;it's worse than that. your idea of looks is mostly build on interpreting clues, and appearing harmless is a survival technique.
1230323;1439009497;mircea_popescu;the word for this is moe.
1230324;1439009507;asciilifeform;and yes, 'don't judge the corkscrew, it could really be a clavichord'
1230325;1439009513;asciilifeform;but i see corkscrew, dammit
1230326;1439009522;asciilifeform;moe ?
1230327;1439009525;mircea_popescu;moe.
1230328;1439009536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00061054 = 6.1054 BTC [-]
1230329;1439009653;asciilifeform;;;ud moe
1230330;1439009653;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moe | The new meaning of 'moe' is entirely caught up in issues surrounding hobbies and taste. Specifically, 'moe' means be attracted to a specific character or its ...
1230331;1439009686;*;asciilifeform did guess that jp
1230332;1439009722;asciilifeform;'The picture becomes clearer when we hear the frequent use of 'moe' referring to specific elements or characteristics, such as 'weak girl moe,' 'young lady moe,' and 'glasses moe.' The meaning of 'glasses moe' refers to a taste that is taken with a character who wears glasses; furthermore, this taste fetishizes the feature itself of glasses-wearing. In this case, glasses are the 'moe' element.'
1230333;1439009737;asciilifeform;how does this differ from ANSI standard 'fetish' ?
1230334;1439009749;asciilifeform;is my 'meta' stack not deep enough to grok this, or what
1230335;1439009775;ben_vulpes;phf has a moe
1230336;1439009777;asciilifeform;!up phf_mobile
1230337;1439009787;phf_mobile;thanks
1230338;1439009795;ben_vulpes;evening. ca va?
1230339;1439009808;asciilifeform;'Moe is when your heart gets a boner.' << l0lz
1230340;1439009822;ben_vulpes;'oneitis'
1230341;1439009841;ben_vulpes;aka 'have not yet slept with enough girls to have sampled the distribution'
1230342;1439009882;phf_mobile;got a eulora mac built to a point of "brew install eulora"/"brew linkapps --local eulora"
1230343;1439009904;ben_vulpes;no shit
1230344;1439009944;phf_mobile;this is like a personal dragon slaying quest
1230345;1439009962;ben_vulpes;eulora quest
1230346;1439009964;ben_vulpes;on mac
1230347;1439009970;ben_vulpes;subquest of bitcoin quest
1230348;1439010015;asciilifeform;kvest
1230349;1439010035;asciilifeform;!up benkay
1230350;1439010044;asciilifeform;splitz personality ftw
1230351;1439010052;asciilifeform;speak to us, benkay !
1230352;1439010082;mircea_popescu;wordpress file uploader removes all dots except the last one
1230353;1439010088;mircea_popescu;so .tar.gz -> tar.gz
1230354;1439010090;mircea_popescu;motherfuckers.
1230355;1439010094;mircea_popescu;who the fuck comes up with this shit
1230356;1439010103;asciilifeform;~somebody USED the uploader ?!!~
1230357;1439010120;mircea_popescu;yea
1230358;1439010125;*;asciilifeform fl00red
1230359;1439010146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0006136 = 14.0208 BTC [+]
1230360;1439010181;*;benkay shan't
1230361;1439010197;benkay;and does it silently drop xml files too, mircea_popescu ?
1230362;1439010232;mircea_popescu;no, you gotta download that service separately.
1230363;1439010279;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in principle stabbing and raping are the same activity. something modulates the behaviour so that you mostly stab does and mostly rape moes.
1230364;1439010282;mircea_popescu;that something is called moe.
1230365;1439010293;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1230366;1439010595;n6;I'm back again still trying to do http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 I got gentoo working last night with the help of trinque and everyone else in here taking HOURS to help me. But today I stepped on the ethernet cable, and broke the modem in such a way cables won't work. I have a Edimax EW-7811Un but no clue how to go about getting this working with just a base install. and no internet.
1230367;1439010596;assbot;[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrqQ2 )
1230368;1439010626;mircea_popescu;ahahaha i like this guy
1230369;1439010673;ben_vulpes;omg the trials of n6
1230370;1439010676;n6;Hard not to come back to finish after all the support given to me so far seems rude?
1230371;1439010682;ben_vulpes;dood you know the reward already went out for that thing right?
1230372;1439010684;asciilifeform;http://ithic.com/52-94-large/edimax-ew-7811un-150mbps-wireless-ieee80211b-g-n-nano-usb-adapter.jpg << neato
1230373;1439010687;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrEGR )
1230374;1439010694;n6;It was never about the reward
1230375;1439010711;ben_vulpes;that's the attitude
1230376;1439010817;n6;Also I formated my usb drive with livecd, to watch Female Trouble (1974), so please no more reinstalls.
1230377;1439010841;phf_mobile;can't help it, the girl can't help it
1230378;1439011018;asciilifeform;!up Bingo_VACAY
1230379;1439011027;Bingo_VACAY;Trap
1230380;1439011091;n6;both lspci and lsusb arent working i'm at loss for where to even look. (base install)
1230381;1439011139;n6;I guess only need lsusb but it's not here.
1230382;1439011308;mircea_popescu;n6 how did you pick that one ?!
1230383;1439011335;n6;Amazon gave it to go with a beagleboard then it didnt work at all.
1230384;1439011347;mircea_popescu;the movie i mean
1230385;1439011377;n6;oh your great blog post still working on getting my key sitatution fixed to rate you for such good work.
1230386;1439011377;asciilifeform;n6: didja power that thing via microusb? needs >500mA if you actually use gadgets like this with that thing
1230387;1439011379;mircea_popescu;phf_mobile i thought os/x just worked
1230388;1439011391;asciilifeform;n6: plug the 5v cylindrical jack in
1230389;1439011430;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: omg u troll!
1230390;1439011431;mircea_popescu;waters fucking owes me!
1230391;1439011445;n6;asciilifeform: I'm not worried about the bone right now, only this graph. would be a shame if my 19 hours of gentoo installing came to nothing.
1230392;1439011479;Bingo_VACAY;Future du hast
1230393;1439011483;*;asciilifeform shudders at the thought of 19 ~actual keyboard hours~ somehow applied to gentoo
1230394;1439011552;n6;Not all keyboard hours a lot of time was spent trying to recompile on the free aws tier about 9
1230395;1439011572;n6;before finding out about the real bitcoin guide.
1230396;1439011578;asciilifeform;wai wat...
1230397;1439011579;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform every damned time.
1230398;1439011580;asciilifeform;aws!!!
1230399;1439011583;ben_vulpes;wait you tried to build a gentoo on aws?
1230400;1439011585;n6;ben_vulpes got me
1230401;1439011595;ben_vulpes;the whole point is to not fuck with gentoo and just use something prebuilt
1230402;1439011598;asciilifeform;that's like cooking a fine meal of rare sturgeon in a public toilet as cauldron
1230403;1439011610;ben_vulpes;you have too much respect for your tools
1230404;1439011614;asciilifeform;!up phf_mobile
1230405;1439011616;ben_vulpes;i have
1230406;1439011618;ben_vulpes;el minimo
1230407;1439011622;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1230408;1439011658;ben_vulpes;look guy wants to build bitcoin, go do it over there in the gentoo virtualization sandbox that Ju5t Werkz!
1230409;1439011659;n6;Tried to rebuild the kernal (I think) not really sure no understanding
1230410;1439011667;ben_vulpes;gentoo quest
1230411;1439011674;ben_vulpes;understanding is an quixotic illusion
1230412;1439011681;asciilifeform;could try rotor
1230413;1439011717;n6;asciilifeform command not found. this is just a base install
1230414;1439011725;asciilifeform;wai wat
1230415;1439011727;asciilifeform;what command
1230416;1439011729;ben_vulpes;$ rotor
1230417;1439011735;n6;did I miss something?
1230418;1439011736;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1230419;1439011742;ben_vulpes;WILKOMMEN
1230420;1439011756;asciilifeform;n6: >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html << him
1230421;1439011757;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )
1230422;1439011765;ben_vulpes;dja know that i wrote assembly manuals for line operators, asciilifeform?
1230423;1439011776;asciilifeform;can picture this.
1230424;1439011796;ben_vulpes;designed things so as to prevent inquisitive operators from mutilating themselves?
1230425;1439011804;ben_vulpes;i believe that i've mentioned this before
1230426;1439011815;ben_vulpes;instructions, man.
1230427;1439011824;ben_vulpes;almost not worthwhile.
1230428;1439011840;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes failed! just look at us. we're mutilated, myootilaited!
1230429;1439011859;asciilifeform;!up benkay
1230430;1439011868;n6;asciilifeform: what does DETERMINISTIC mean here?
1230431;1439011869;asciilifeform;y'know it's true, benkay
1230432;1439011880;asciilifeform;n6: means you get same result regardless of phase of the moon
1230433;1439011893;asciilifeform;or whether pissed in the barrel of your gentoo when it was annealing
1230434;1439011895;asciilifeform;or not
1230435;1439011898;asciilifeform;etc.
1230436;1439011917;n6;I still don't understand, sorry.
1230437;1439011931;mircea_popescu;n6 you understand what a static build is ?
1230438;1439011935;n6;no
1230439;1439011949;mircea_popescu;your question can not be answered at this time o.O
1230440;1439011963;n6;let me do some reading and come back.
1230441;1439011977;asciilifeform;^ the right idea.
1230442;1439011982;phf_mobile;this is like, from first principles
1230443;1439012066;*;mircea_popescu has formally determined that the "what does deterministic mean here" inquiry can not be answered if "do you understand what static build is" comes out false.
1230444;1439012078;mircea_popescu;i'm curious if anyone can come up with a (valid) answer.
1230445;1439012086;ben_vulpes;in entirely unrelated news, the lil boy now kicks back when i poke at him
1230446;1439012088;*;asciilifeform tried
1230447;1439012098;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes don't poke TOO much
1230448;1439012102;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1230449;1439012103;asciilifeform;!up n6
1230450;1439012109;mircea_popescu;slowpoke
1230451;1439012130;*;ben_vulpes wonders what poking too much would look like
1230452;1439012131;ben_vulpes;like
1230453;1439012134;ben_vulpes;no sex?
1230454;1439012135;n6;thanks guys got a wikipedia understand(not much) but it means compiled like apt-get packages?
1230455;1439012149;ben_vulpes;n6: look up "dynamic linking"
1230456;1439012153;mircea_popescu;we need a replacement wikipedia
1230457;1439012154;ben_vulpes;also - what's your background?
1230458;1439012212;n6;ben_vulpes: just a long time casual pc user, ubtuntu copy past guides no real understanding of anything that seems to matter when deal with real problems.
1230459;1439012226;n6;*dealing
1230460;1439012247;ben_vulpes;aha
1230461;1439012258;ben_vulpes;well, 'grats on getting off windows
1230462;1439012266;ben_vulpes;welcome to a whole new life of misery
1230463;1439012266;n6;I started this graph thing on os x and it couldn't do the job. then ben_vulpes told me to try AWS, but you can't just give someone a spaceship they have to earn it.
1230464;1439012281;ben_vulpes;dude you're not flying spaceships right now
1230465;1439012294;asciilifeform;more of an 'ohka'
1230466;1439012307;ben_vulpes;do you want to do gentoo quest or do you want to play around with the callgraph generator?
1230467;1439012324;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'ohka'?
1230468;1439012332;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1230469;1439012342;asciilifeform;http://orig00.deviantart.net/63f3/f/2013/212/6/c/mxy7_ohka_kamikaze_rocket_paper_model_by_rocketmantan-d6g1w2i.png << her
1230470;1439012344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMj7x )
1230471;1439012363;ben_vulpes;aka 'baka'
1230472;1439012376;asciilifeform;it.
1230473;1439012382;ben_vulpes;a very funny name for gaijin to cook up.
1230474;1439012445;asciilifeform;http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/613964-Ohka-as-Flyable-Forums << sim folks lovingly archaeologizing
1230475;1439012446;assbot;Ohka as Flyable | Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMqzU )
1230476;1439012546;mircea_popescu;wait we now agree gentoo = kamikaze plane ?
1230477;1439012552;asciilifeform;http://planemania.blogspot.com/2012/02/yokosuka-mxy7-ohka.html << linked for the sheer bowel-massaging power of the mistranslationz
1230478;1439012553;assbot;Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMwHU )
1230479;1439012557;mircea_popescu;celebroat ! http://40.media.tumblr.com/20833081f7499d89abc7eb71e37d74e4/tumblr_nbcoe4yEu61tttg72o1_1280.jpg
1230480;1439012558;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMwHZ )
1230481;1439012616;cazalla;ben_vulpes, did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping?
1230482;1439012733;ben_vulpes;kiddo's still in-utero, cazalla
1230483;1439012758;asciilifeform;https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ohka-Popular-Mechanics-graphic.jpg << from american 'popular mech.' and hey, whats the pr0blem, fastest machine of its time !
1230484;1439012759;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMNug )
1230485;1439012762;asciilifeform;and simplest
1230486;1439012762;ben_vulpes;probably will for funsies, but it turns out the plan is to have a basinette next to the bed
1230487;1439012802;ben_vulpes;girl on the left looks startlingly familiar
1230488;1439012802;cazalla;was it someone else that mentioned it? getting confused with all these soon to be or recently arrived babies
1230489;1439012830;ben_vulpes;and what the hell are they drinking
1230490;1439012831;n6;ben_vulpes: sorry reading I want it all
1230491;1439012844;ben_vulpes;cazalla: i did mention cosleeping yeah
1230492;1439012861;ben_vulpes;but those to whom that work has been delegated have other probably more sane ideas
1230493;1439012886;ben_vulpes;as mp said one time "mothers care too much and fathers don't know wtf's in the box"
1230494;1439012909;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the ohka was perhaps the least successful war machine of all time.
1230495;1439012925;mircea_popescu;what was it, 20 carrier planes sent, 1 returned, virtually no hits ?
1230496;1439012940;ben_vulpes;n6: good way to make minimal progress on everything
1230497;1439012942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most ended in the sea
1230498;1439012951;asciilifeform;(carried on defenseless bomber)
1230499;1439012975;asciilifeform;sources disagree on how many actually hit anything
1230500;1439012975;mircea_popescu;wasn't one that punched through and fell past the ship ?
1230501;1439012985;mircea_popescu;and most of them really needed the pilot to be alive throughout, etc
1230502;1439012986;asciilifeform;there are mentions of going right through and exploding on other side, aha
1230503;1439013015;asciilifeform;which to me sounds like a workmanship problem with detonator
1230504;1439013019;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230278 and reddit delivers within the hour https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7na6/serious_brainwalletorg_shutdown_and_now_i_am/
1230505;1439013019;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 04:40:12; ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys???
1230506;1439013021;assbot;Serious: brainwallet.org shutdown and now I am wondering how to get keys back from the phrase? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuNbck )
1230507;1439013094;ben_vulpes;*** Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has quit: Excess Flood << hyu
1230508;1439013190;ben_vulpes;anyways, good evening pete_dushenski
1230509;1439013248;ben_vulpes;when's yours due?
1230510;1439013249;pete_dushenski;howdy ben_vulpes
1230511;1439013257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00060762 = 3.1596 BTC [-]
1230512;1439013263;pete_dushenski;2 weeks ?
1230513;1439013271;ben_vulpes;o wow
1230514;1439013279;pete_dushenski;what is this #bitcoin-babies or something ?
1230515;1439013284;ben_vulpes;doing anything wacky for the deploy?
1230516;1439013290;mircea_popescu;lol
1230517;1439013299;ben_vulpes;limit of everything as time goes on is babies
1230518;1439013302;mircea_popescu;it;d better be very wacky for cult's sake.
1230519;1439013317;pete_dushenski;o it is.
1230520;1439013326;ben_vulpes;hottub in the snow?
1230521;1439013329;pete_dushenski;at least as far as canuckian standards go
1230522;1439013332;pete_dushenski;lol
1230523;1439013340;mircea_popescu;having it in a tub full of jello shot ?
1230524;1439013340;ben_vulpes;on a boat?
1230525;1439013342;ben_vulpes;with a goat?
1230526;1439013352;ben_vulpes;the midwife is a groat?
1230527;1439013372;pete_dushenski;more like pools, midwives, doulas.
1230528;1439013378;mircea_popescu;btw, i understand this midwife business if you live with your wife and the other girl sleeps in between you two,
1230529;1439013383;mircea_popescu;but what if you have more than two womenz ?!
1230530;1439013390;asciilifeform;then multiple stators
1230531;1439013392;asciilifeform;elementarily.
1230532;1439013403;mircea_popescu;are all of them midwives ?
1230533;1439013439;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1085778
1230534;1439013439;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 03:22:33; asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor')
1230535;1439013443;asciilifeform;^ see also
1230536;1439013445;mircea_popescu;seems more like quarterwive and threequarterwive or w/e the case may be
1230537;1439013458;asciilifeform;depends on how many phase.
1230538;1439013460;ben_vulpes;> mid wife
1230539;1439013462;ben_vulpes;>.<
1230540;1439013510;cazalla;my missus had an elective c-section, made the day somewhat of a non-event when compared to hollywood/tv births
1230541;1439013530;mircea_popescu;not really great for fertility is it ?
1230542;1439013532;ben_vulpes;what drove that decision?
1230543;1439013587;cazalla;just asked.. "cause i'm not sitting around in pain for 10 hours"
1230544;1439013607;ben_vulpes;o.O
1230545;1439013614;ben_vulpes;if y'r in pain for 10 hours y'r doing it wrong
1230546;1439013634;mircea_popescu;depends on the ass.
1230547;1439013672;cazalla;mircea_popescu, doesn't affect my fertility last i checked :P
1230548;1439013681;mircea_popescu;lol
1230549;1439013691;asciilifeform;!up benkay
1230550;1439013693;n6;Have lost the plot, how does all this help me with my wifi working?
1230551;1439013694;cazalla;although hers? who knows, tried the past 2 months and it didn't take yet
1230552;1439013698;asciilifeform;!up phf_mobile
1230553;1439013712;phf_mobile;obligatory http://oglaf.com/son-of-kronar/
1230554;1439013713;assbot;Son of Kronar page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpj6N5 )
1230555;1439013725;mircea_popescu;ahaha another oglaf fan ?
1230556;1439013729;pete_dushenski;;;seen decimation
1230557;1439013729;gribble;decimation was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <decimation> I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz.  I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin.  Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining.  God bless all of you.
1230558;1439013753;pete_dushenski;well that's that, i guess.
1230559;1439013758;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed
1230560;1439013776;asciilifeform;ergo was he a 'baron stierlitz', on our side!
1230561;1439013789;ben_vulpes;much less protracted than the viragh episode
1230562;1439013797;ben_vulpes;hi bobby! still reading logs?
1230563;1439013798;pete_dushenski;does sound like a bit of a 'ya got me, pardner' moment
1230564;1439013853;phf_mobile;i remember oglaf from when before they had rss feed. so i wrote one and hosted it on my machine. i still get ~~100 requests for now long missing file a day
1230565;1439013859;pete_dushenski;cazalla: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/#comment-25441
1230566;1439013860;assbot;La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpjpaN )
1230567;1439013875;mircea_popescu;phf_mobile it's so popular here people do oglafbot by hand.
1230568;1439013878;mircea_popescu;;;seen oglafbot
1230569;1439013878;gribble;oglafbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 25 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <oglafbot> http://oglaf.com/medallions/
1230570;1439013898;asciilifeform;now if only 'sexy losers' were still running
1230571;1439013906;asciilifeform;the ~other~ mega-comic
1230572;1439013907;cazalla;pete_dushenski, do you mean for me to illustrate that S or actually draw that S into the logo?
1230573;1439013928;phf_mobile;but i'm .. more .. then .. a .. man
1230574;1439013944;pete_dushenski;cazalla: start with the easier one and work your way up
1230575;1439013974;phf_mobile;different internet era
1230576;1439014085;cazalla;pete_dushenski, well to be fair i already seen that image elsewhere
1230577;1439014141;pete_dushenski;um, that's the point ?
1230578;1439014158;cazalla;specifically  https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0447/33/1413616113174.jpg so when i saw yours, first thought was that it was some jewish stockholm syndrome
1230579;1439014159;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpjY49 )
1230580;1439014172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00059499 = 11.3643 BTC [-] {4} 
1230581;1439014178;pete_dushenski;what, you think i made that shit up ex nihilo ?
1230582;1439014208;pete_dushenski;lol dude, that's the joke !
1230583;1439014231;pete_dushenski;mebbe funny, probably not, but like i said, was just looking for an art project
1230584;1439014238;cazalla;well you said maybe it was trolling so clearly it went over my head
1230585;1439014274;phf_mobile;ben_vulpes: hey, if you have some time to try and build eulora, the following incantation should do it: brew tap homebrew/versions; brew tap pf/homebrew-eulora; brew install eulora; brew linkapps eulora
1230586;1439014282;cazalla;but c'mon, adding a dash of red and deleting a line does not make it a design proposal
1230587;1439014287;pete_dushenski;it's not like i'm taking this shit to get printed so i can cruise around downtown berlin at 200 kph with my ass out the window
1230588;1439014303;pete_dushenski;fender flags bending in the breeze
1230589;1439014316;mircea_popescu;phf_mobile he's in already.
1230590;1439014324;phf_mobile;oh bah
1230591;1439014329;ben_vulpes;not on os x!
1230592;1439014330;pete_dushenski;cazalla: because ?
1230593;1439014369;cazalla;pete_dushenski, well you already have the merc and that's 99% of the way there to adding the flags
1230594;1439014375;ben_vulpes;running, phf_mobile
1230595;1439014411;mircea_popescu;speakin' of the 70s, http://40.media.tumblr.com/d204563f478431af09aeb9ed6587cd94/tumblr_n9eqluUk6D1tttg72o1_1280.jpg
1230596;1439014412;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpksY9 )
1230597;1439014441;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> because ip is going away, there's no << hear har
1230598;1439014495;pete_dushenski;cazalla: looky, the car and the flags are but a symbol, and until the underlying material fact of diplomatic immunity is a reality, a day i intend to see but am not deluded enough to believe is here yet, then it's for personal enjoyment.
1230599;1439014516;ben_vulpes;i like the fingerprint tho, pete_dushenski
1230600;1439014525;ben_vulpes;kinda want mine painted on my rear fender
1230601;1439014556;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230220 << tres tres tres nifty
1230602;1439014556;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 04:13:57; asciilifeform: (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.)
1230603;1439014575;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: how's life with the vette btw ?
1230604;1439014594;ben_vulpes;rather nice
1230605;1439014596;cazalla;pete_dushenski, A+ for effort but that doesn't make it good, if i wanted a 2 minute knock up andy warhol photoshop job i could do it myself
1230606;1439014602;ben_vulpes;everyone gets the fuck out of my way.
1230607;1439014617;ben_vulpes;haven't rolled like that since the suburban i drove as a younger boy
1230608;1439014631;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes and pete_dushenski remind me, an associate of mine was offering up a car for btc
1230609;1439014637;asciilifeform;also made me think of kakobrekla.
1230610;1439014656;ben_vulpes;yes i would very much like to trade a rapidly depreciating asset for one that doesn't
1230611;1439014660;ben_vulpes;o.O
1230612;1439014673;ben_vulpes;although i have hopes the corvette will preserve some of its value.
1230613;1439014695;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes gonna put it in his pocket and take across the sea ?
1230614;1439014703;pete_dushenski;cazalla: dude. it's not for you. fin.
1230615;1439014717;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what kinda car was he selling ?
1230616;1439014731;asciilifeform;iirc it was a 'mazda rx8'
1230617;1439014734;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: now why'd i do that
1230618;1439014743;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i'd fully expect to the vette to hold its value
1230619;1439014761;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. 'wankel' 1.3L rotary engine
1230620;1439014767;asciilifeform;it.
1230621;1439014767;pete_dushenski;the 'rotor' of cars !
1230622;1439014786;ben_vulpes;wankel like electric is a perpetually recurring fad in cars
1230623;1439014813;pete_dushenski;wankel drinks, as in -guzzles-, oil
1230624;1439014825;asciilifeform;& petrol
1230625;1439014825;gribble;Error: "petrol" is not a valid command.
1230626;1439014831;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: seen the duke engine?
1230627;1439014834;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19kn3drdFU
1230628;1439014835;assbot;Duke Engines - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZlcS2 )
1230629;1439014836;pete_dushenski;gribble doesn't like cars
1230630;1439014859;cazalla;pete_dushenski, then who is it for, just you personally? might want to correct your article then "a modest design proposal for La Serenissima" and you�d better believe that #b-a Lords will have fender flags on their motor coaches"
1230631;1439014873;asciilifeform;on their 'ohkas'
1230632;1439014896;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: weird. new to me.
1230633;1439014898;asciilifeform;chrysanthemum ftw
1230634;1439014957;pete_dushenski;cazalla: there's layers here. if you insist on skimming from the top, you'll just get yourself annoyed.
1230635;1439015091;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "chrysaanthemum"?
1230636;1439015152;asciilifeform;jp imperial heraldic
1230637;1439015159;ben_vulpes;ah nm
1230638;1439015173;cazalla;pete_dushenski, what on earth would annoy me about something you drew (lifted) and pitched as your own design proposal? if the bar at which criticism bothers you is set so low, might be time to reevaluate things
1230639;1439015177;asciilifeform;though apparently https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/44/150593208_548186fd71.jpg << cherry blossom
1230640;1439015178;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZlQ1U )
1230641;1439015401;mats;is a shame decimation is taking off
1230642;1439015431;mats;consumed cycles, sure, but contributed with interesting conversation
1230643;1439015452;pete_dushenski;ya, he brought decent news articles this way. also fellow econtalk listener
1230644;1439015472;mats;could be worse. could be Anduck or vexual
1230645;1439015494;pete_dushenski;;;seen Anduck
1230646;1439015495;gribble;Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Anduck> hmm, seems to work. thanks!
1230647;1439015528;pete_dushenski;name rings a bell, not sure i've ever chatted with ducky.
1230648;1439015591;mats;but to be fair decimation is the only fella regularly engaging in conversation here I can think of that doesn't contribute to LA serenissima
1230649;1439015607;mats;la* stupid mobile
1230650;1439015695;mircea_popescu;"A friend's company took over an officespace previously rented by Crypsa, a Cryptocurrency Standards organization. They tried to sell us them their furnishings ... tables, chairs, etc. ... but my friend got a little suspicious, because they used to live on the same floor and heard that some people got free furnishings. So they approached the Landlord and asked where Crypsa got their furniture. It turns out that yes, th
1230651;1439015696;mircea_popescu;ey did get it from the Landlord and of course, for free. So, the Landlord, now supremely pissed, went and confronted the guy running Crypsa. According to him, the guy just 'blubbered and stammered - he had no excuse.'. It's funny when people get caught in the act, but in this case, it was just sad."
1230652;1439015710;mircea_popescu;how the heck are there all these bullshits nobody ever heard of.
1230653;1439015749;asciilifeform;'standards organization' !!?!?!
1230654;1439015751;*;asciilifeform falls down
1230655;1439015800;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i dunno what to tell you dude. if you don't like it, you can always take a yellow taxi with jurov. no one's holding a gun to your head around here. if more than one 'lord' likes the 'proposal', then 'lordS will have fender flags on their motor coaches'
1230656;1439015813;pete_dushenski;and if not, then my proposal sucks, and it's just lil' ol' me !
1230657;1439015895;pete_dushenski;mats: y'know i hadn't noticed it, but looking at his ratings, it was immediately obvious (if ex-post)
1230658;1439015900;cazalla;pete_dushenski, if it was a design proposal, you would be a little less stand offish when facing criticism, that said, it's the final product which explains why you've got yourself in a little tizzy
1230659;1439015947;pete_dushenski;cazalla: so let's see this magic 's' of yours, ya ?
1230660;1439015960;mircea_popescu;i give this cazalla trolling pete_dushenski thing a 4/10
1230661;1439015996;pete_dushenski;cazalla: might be an ozzie thing, y'know ? or mebbe commonwealth, i'm curious
1230662;1439016027;mats;lol
1230663;1439016042;cazalla;pete_dushenski, that S thing is http://i.imgur.com/U9IsW.jpg and i'm pitching design proposals in the first place
1230664;1439016043;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpmW90 )
1230665;1439016043;pete_dushenski;mebbe cazalla imagines that a mercedes 560 sel with 3/4 swastika fender flags will be on his driveway unless he says something now
1230666;1439016084;mats;cazalla: I used to doodle that design in grade school
1230667;1439016096;cazalla;mats, hence that S thing that every kid except pete_dushenski drew
1230668;1439016098;pete_dushenski;cazalla: lol oooh ya, i totally remember those. but i never in a million years woulda imagined that's what you meant by 'that s that every kid drew'
1230669;1439016098;asciilifeform;do we each get a dead empire to necromancy ?
1230670;1439016106;asciilifeform;'cause i want one too
1230671;1439016120;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: who're you taking then ?
1230672;1439016140;pete_dushenski;cazalla: and that's a good point, i sure as fuck never drew these.
1230673;1439016149;pete_dushenski;saw other kids ? sure.
1230674;1439016153;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: su, or us, or whoever.
1230675;1439016160;mats;I claim the qing.
1230676;1439016164;asciilifeform;mm
1230677;1439016179;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1230678;1439016194;pete_dushenski;mats if you're going asian, why not khanate ?
1230679;1439016213;mats;I got a drop or two of Manchu.
1230680;1439016216;n6;Statically built programs link to libraries the system controls and DETERMINISTIC has everything you need included?
1230681;1439016220;mats;not pure Han.
1230682;1439016235;pete_dushenski;so diverse !
1230683;1439016243;asciilifeform;http://www.classtools.net/_FAKEBOOK/saved/1634/HjheNn/coverImage.jpg
1230684;1439016244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpnjQR )
1230685;1439016250;mircea_popescu;n6 something like that.
1230686;1439016253;mats;http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/249409-a-great-rabbi-stands-teaching-in-the-marketplace-it-happens
1230687;1439016255;assbot;Quote by Orson Scott Card: “A Great Rabbi stands, teaching in the marketpla...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpnknL )
1230688;1439016300;ben_vulpes;statically built programs do not link at runtime, n6
1230689;1439016309;ben_vulpes;they have all the machine code they need in their executeable files
1230690;1439016408;cazalla;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/07/toxic-mine-water-epa-colorado-animas-river drink from the rivers of gold
1230691;1439016409;assbot;Toxic mine water accidentally released by EPA in Colorado river flows south | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZnv7y )
1230692;1439016418;mircea_popescu;mats heh wtf is that thing
1230693;1439016429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26838 @ 0.00059499 = 15.9683 BTC [-] {2} 
1230694;1439016473;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/e2Fm0g4.jpg < heh
1230695;1439016473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZnzUL )
1230696;1439016507;asciilifeform;l0l!
1230697;1439016521;mats;an excerpt from a vaguely metaphysical and spiritual scifi series in the "ender's game" universe I read as a kid
1230698;1439016555;mircea_popescu;mats do you detect the atrocious vulgarity of it or notrly ?
1230699;1439016608;mats;well we have fundamentally different value systems
1230700;1439016636;asciilifeform;reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs
1230701;1439016641;mats;so, while I enjoy the prose, I don't otherwise know what you mean by vulgarity
1230702;1439016653;mircea_popescu;mats what's your definition of vulgarity ?
1230703;1439016691;mats;a lack of refinement
1230704;1439016696;asciilifeform;http://www.gobooks.info/pics/p15.jpg << it
1230705;1439016697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpo24B )
1230706;1439016720;mircea_popescu;well that doesn't exactly help because i assume refinement is then a lack of vulgarity ?
1230707;1439016734;mats;plebeian
1230708;1439016748;mircea_popescu;right, made to appeal to the common man.
1230709;1439016803;mircea_popescu;"all operating systems are monolithic because that's just how computers work" is a fine example of utter vulgarity.
1230710;1439016816;mircea_popescu;it stays true for as long as the reader stays stupid.
1230711;1439016839;mats;well, how do you find this to be vulgar beyond the appeal to plebs
1230712;1439016875;mircea_popescu;like the os quote, it contains no truth, merely the figments of truth in the shape of nonsense that stays truthy on a first approximation basis
1230713;1439016965;mircea_popescu;and on that note, http://40.media.tumblr.com/6a7619a26db80c736b2106ac3758446d/tumblr_n9eqhmGpP91tttg72o1_1280.jpg
1230714;1439016966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZoaWK )
1230715;1439017039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00059499 = 25.0491 BTC [-] {4} 
1230716;1439017078;cazalla;warning, white pointers
1230717;1439017130;*;mircea_popescu takes off. Laters!
1230718;1439017348;n6;mircea_popescu: are you hinting at the need to build lsub (here) and move it over to (there) In a DETERMINISTIC way? lsub seems to be what I need.
1230719;1439017376;ben_vulpes;deterministic doesn't have much to do with what you're working on n6
1230720;1439017403;n6;then why did I need to know about static linking?
1230721;1439017508;n6;ben_vulpes: How can I build lsub on my macbook and take it to my gentoo install?
1230722;1439017784;n6;Looks like I killed the channel sorry.
1230723;1439018063;ben_vulpes;n6: that is beyond me, boss
1230724;1439018070;ben_vulpes;nah, 'twasn't you
1230725;1439018087;ben_vulpes;static linking is a thing to know about to hack on bitcoin related things
1230726;1439018089;ben_vulpes;!up n6
1230727;1439018391;n6;I will come back and try again when more people are around. sorry to waste everyones time tonight.
1230728;1439018625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00059814 = 13.9965 BTC [+]
1230729;1439019052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00059814 = 17.9442 BTC [+]
1230730;1439019840;punkman;asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed  << I was slightly baffled because I thought decimation was in someone's meat-wot, then realized I was thinking of diametric. anyway, quite suspect parting message.
1230731;1439019993;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230653 << for more lulz http://info.datauthority.org/wordpress/standards/
1230732;1439019993;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 06:35:49; asciilifeform: 'standards organization' !!?!?!
1230733;1439019996;assbot;Standards - DATA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUfgA )
1230734;1439020022;ben_vulpes;;;later tell -hf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something.
1230735;1439020022;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
1230736;1439020038;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something.
1230737;1439020039;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1230738;1439020169;cazalla;from that brain wallet drama https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood"
1230739;1439020172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUvMI )
1230740;1439020172;scoopbot_revived;Pete moves up, Ver moves on. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/pete-moves-up-ver-moves-on/
1230741;1439020190;punkman;cazalla, hah!
1230742;1439020193;pete_dushenski;punkman: the diametric/decimation and undata/trinque things readily cause confusion.
1230743;1439020214;pete_dushenski;to say nothing of benkay/ben_vulpes and bitcoinpete/pete_dushenski !
1230744;1439020267;ben_vulpes;undata and trinque are the same guy too, pete
1230745;1439020272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00059499 = 1.8695 BTC [-] {5} 
1230746;1439020350;pete_dushenski;ayayay, i'm just not getting through today !
1230747;1439020361;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: *sigh* i know.
1230748;1439020378;pete_dushenski;mebbe i need to hit the sack and try again tmrw
1230749;1439020385;trinque;I go by this other, more specific piece of data now
1230750;1439020398;pete_dushenski;lol but i liked undata !
1230751;1439020410;trinque;'twas alright
1230752;1439020423;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/cxw3zdC.jpg
1230753;1439020424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUV5Q )
1230754;1439020431;pete_dushenski;trinque: i thought it was better than 'alright'
1230755;1439020432;pete_dushenski;seriously
1230756;1439020449;trinque;why thank you
1230757;1439020469;pete_dushenski;but anyways, i'm off to sleep, bon soir a tous !
1230758;1439020473;trinque;gnite
1230759;1439020699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00059814 = 1.1365 BTC [+]
1230760;1439021309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00060366 = 7.6665 BTC [+]
1230761;1439021736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00060761 = 8.2331 BTC [+] {2} 
1230762;1439022469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00061075 = 24.6743 BTC [+] {4} 
1230763;1439023811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00059964 = 12.8323 BTC [-]
1230764;1439023994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00059631 = 22.0038 BTC [-] {2} 
1230765;1439024482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00059631 = 19.0223 BTC [-]
1230766;1439025397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00059631 = 12.8505 BTC [-]
1230767;1439026678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33017 @ 0.00059603 = 19.6791 BTC [-] {4} 
1230768;1439028996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00059964 = 17.7493 BTC [+]
1230769;1439029588;cazalla;anyone know what this is? http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/4nQAAOSwPcVVxa0h/$_20.JPG supposedly some type of printer but prints what exactly?
1230770;1439029592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdUySO )
1230771;1439029672;cazalla;i thought maybe some kind of old embossing machine
1230772;1439029811;jurov;wow that log
1230773;1439029866;scoopbot_revived;Mining Difficulty Advances For The Third Consecutive Time http://qntra.net/2015/08/mining-difficulty-advances-for-the-third-consecutive-time/
1230774;1439029898;jurov;mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale
1230775;1439029935;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230243 <--  alf's 4th law of thermodynamics
1230776;1439029935;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 04:24:05; asciilifeform: the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks.
1230777;1439030182;HeySteve;cazalla my guess is some kind of basic injection moulder
1230778;1439030216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00060444 = 17.0452 BTC [+] {3} 
1230779;1439032473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5007 @ 0.00059499 = 2.9791 BTC [-] {5} 
1230780;1439033144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00059499 = 19.9322 BTC [-] {2} 
1230781;1439035828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10916 @ 0.00059499 = 6.4949 BTC [-]
1230782;1439036194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7448 @ 0.00059499 = 4.4315 BTC [-]
1230783;1439037001;shinohai;;;ticker
1230784;1439037003;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.16, Best ask: 272.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 272.16, 24 hour volume: 16808.69151018, 24 hour low: 271.5, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1230785;1439037353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00060092 = 11.778 BTC [+]
1230786;1439039793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00059944 = 14.0868 BTC [-]
1230787;1439040403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22380 @ 0.00060002 = 13.4284 BTC [+] {3} 
1230788;1439041257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00060218 = 14.7534 BTC [+] {3} 
1230789;1439041623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00060469 = 8.4052 BTC [+]
1230790;1439042111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00060469 = 7.9819 BTC [+]
1230791;1439044795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00060259 = 8.376 BTC [-]
1230792;1439044826;mod6;So now that we have 'rotor', most likly we won't need to have the gentoo guide.  We'll see how it goes but in the future we'll probably just point people at the gentoo handbook if they want to run Gentoo.
1230793;1439044835;mod6;*likely
1230794;1439044895;mod6;It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help.  n6: I understand your frustration totally.
1230795;1439044998;mod6;I appreciate your giving it a run through.
1230796;1439045039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00060012 = 10.082 BTC [-] {3} 
1230797;1439045467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6687 @ 0.00060781 = 4.0644 BTC [+] {3} 
1230798;1439045927;kakobrekla;> Ironically, now that MCP runs on commodity hardware some elements of the MCP based software suite are no longer made available in source form by Unisys. <heh
1230799;1439046229;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230794    <<< agreed, but I'm not giving up. Despite how much I love Debian, systemd is a drawback. :/
1230800;1439046229;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 14:41:35; mod6: It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help.  n6: I understand your frustration totally.
1230801;1439046357;mod6;Sure thing.  Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo and thereby also provide steps to build Gentoo.  As 'rotor' should work basically anywhere.  Needs to really.
1230802;1439046467;mod6;The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor.  Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :]
1230803;1439046590;shinohai;I haven't got it to run 100% for me outside of a basic x86_64 build. I am waiting to see a build log for arm systems, then I think I can run with the cross-compilation thing.
1230804;1439046602;shinohai;As it stands, I am still using stator.
1230805;1439046645;kakobrekla;J_EDGAR_HOOVER is the main security guardian of the system, called upon at process start, file open, user log on, etc. < lmao
1230806;1439047299;shinohai;Also mod6 I still have not resolved that rpc issue, will take a fresh look later this afternoon.
1230807;1439047684;shinohai;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10026276   (/_-) #facepalm
1230808;1439047686;assbot;Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeyrM7 )
1230809;1439048356;mod6;shinohai: ok, did you get a chance to try it on v0.5.3?
1230810;1439048397;mod6;It also couldn't hurt to describe exactly what you're trying to do in here.
1230811;1439048412;shinohai;Not yet, gonna clear a space to try it. But I tried multiple times on the other versions and no dice.
1230812;1439048428;shinohai;Simple rpc call is all, with auth
1230813;1439048441;mod6;other versions as in .. from us? or from power rangers?
1230814;1439048448;mod6;specifics are good :]
1230815;1439048467;shinohai;All the versions of therealbitcoin. Power rangers are fine.
1230816;1439048479;shinohai;For ref, this is what I tried:
1230817;1439048482;shinohai;curl --user rpcuser --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": [] }' 127.0.0.1:8332
1230818;1439048503;shinohai;Which asks for password, which I supplied as listed in my .conf
1230819;1439048546;mod6;Ok, yup, next try on v0.5.3
1230820;1439048560;mod6;log results plz
1230821;1439048577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00059674 = 14.1726 BTC [-] {4} 
1230822;1439048610;shinohai;kk. I am just trying to confirm if I am the only one having this issue. If so, then I am doing *something* horribly stupid.
1230823;1439048632;mircea_popescu;!up wgromniak
1230824;1439048646;shinohai;I fired up namecoind and used the same curl request fine :/
1230825;1439048687;shinohai;Phoundation v 0.10.0 works too
1230826;1439048850;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> from that brain wallet drama https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" << the benefits of more adoption. i bet you he "just wanted bitcoin to work" and "we" should make sure that happens while he focuses on whatever the fuck he does. running for mayor in futopia, coming up with surnames for earthwor
1230827;1439048852;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUvMI )
1230828;1439048852;mircea_popescu;ms, ~important~ stuff.
1230829;1439048930;phf;;;later tell ben_vulpes if you can run `brew -v install cs >cs-debug.log 2>&1` (-v shows the underlying build output) and send me paste cs-debug.log that would be helpful.
1230830;1439048930;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1230831;1439048949;wgromniak;mircea_popescu, thx, just lurking
1230832;1439048976;asciilifeform;'Move your money out of any brainwallets  you�re using. Please. Don�t get robbed. Somebody just lost $14K last week. Here�s how.' << mega-l0l! >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159368
1230833;1439048976;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 17:00:38; ascii_field: mats: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns << i -still- insist that if your brainwallet is crackable, you are a moron
1230834;1439049027;mircea_popescu;<punkman> http://i.imgur.com/cxw3zdC.jpg << i have nfi why porn is sorted by all sorts of dubious criteria rather than say "tit shape". "All girls pears volume MCXVI". "Catshaped Tits LMII". "That weird pubescent thing where the nipple is most of the tit XIV"
1230835;1439049028;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUV5Q )
1230836;1439049091;mircea_popescu;in any case, http://40.media.tumblr.com/95f4dd82298be86b3e700ea8a403afc5/tumblr_na40uyFuJX1tttg72o1_1280.jpg
1230837;1439049092;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCHGnA )
1230838;1439049135;shinohai;>.>   https://i.imgur.com/Zvq07tS.webm
1230839;1439049136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCHLaQ )
1230840;1439049179;mircea_popescu;<jurov> mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale << can you be specific ? what is this, neoimpressionism ?
1230841;1439049208;asciilifeform;'Brainflayer could cover that search space in less than a week on EC2' << lamerz. when i heard 'brainflayer' i assumed it was this chair where victim is slowly electrified with character by character scrolling by and settling into place 'slot machine' style based on his reactions, as his eyelids are glued open
1230842;1439049225;asciilifeform;(character of the pw)
1230843;1439049259;shinohai;I assume one must have a brain before attempting to use a brainwallet ....
1230844;1439049270;asciilifeform;either ^this or that 'f-mri'  gadget where machine determines if 'has seen X before'
1230845;1439049284;asciilifeform;and iterates through partial X-es
1230846;1439049316;mircea_popescu;<mod6> Sure thing.  Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo << not clear there exist any sane linuxen ; not clear that if we don't marry to something there'll be anything left next year. that sorta thing.
1230847;1439049329;phf;;;later tell ben_vulpes in fact if i manage to fix whatever cs issue future instruction should be to do brew install -v eulora > eulora.log 2>&1, so you don't have to rerun it twice if something breaks
1230848;1439049329;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1230849;1439049340;mircea_popescu;but otherwise the point is correct, the gentoo choice predated the rotor and proibably was made obsolete by it
1230850;1439049374;asciilifeform;even if using 'rotor', you still gotta live in that linux.
1230851;1439049392;asciilifeform;use its xorg, userland, etc
1230852;1439049487;wywialm;hello, I would like to request your comments on the project i am collaborating on
1230853;1439049516;wywialm;https://quedex.net/
1230854;1439049518;assbot;Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCIA3p )
1230855;1439049553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8343 @ 0.00060945 = 5.0846 BTC [+] {2} 
1230856;1439049556;shinohai;dat javascript
1230857;1439049615;wywialm;works without :)
1230858;1439049666;mircea_popescu;wywialm can you isntead make statements ?
1230859;1439049701;wywialm;sure, statements about the exchange?
1230860;1439049717;mircea_popescu;like "i'm collaborating on a project based on P1 P2 P3 being true and P4 and P5 being false, it is supposed to achieve Q. Any comments ?"
1230861;1439049733;mircea_popescu;that works a lot better, not likely i'm going to form much of a useful idea from looking at a web interface.
1230862;1439049784;wywialm;from the security perspective, it is based on the MPEx PGP standard
1230863;1439049810;mircea_popescu;in other lolz, http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-114982
1230864;1439049811;assbot;A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeDlc4 )
1230865;1439049833;wywialm;(see https://quedex.net/doc/pgp_messages)
1230866;1439049833;assbot;Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeDo7O )
1230867;1439049837;mircea_popescu;wywialm in the sense that what, users give you their key and all subsequent communication's encrypted and signed by it ?
1230868;1439049854;wywialm;that is true
1230869;1439049879;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1230870;1439049912;shinohai;Leaving this here for google to index kthx.   <<< lulz wut?
1230871;1439049941;mircea_popescu;someone is new at the entire "spun content" business.
1230872;1439049957;mircea_popescu;"make money while asleep!"
1230873;1439049993;phf;next step in SEO, leaving links on b-a. "hitler lizard diddled singles! http://..."
1230874;1439050045;mircea_popescu;i'd pay to see.
1230875;1439050061;mircea_popescu;what is this, woman being ravished by komodo dragon with military cap ?
1230876;1439050114;wywialm;from the financial perspective, it assumes that when running futures exchange, one should also provide options and have a complete market
1230877;1439050148;mircea_popescu;"Thats like saying the dotcom bubble was a scam isn't it? You can certainly phrase it like that but is that really whats going on. An actual scam?"
1230878;1439050153;mircea_popescu;where do these fucktards spawn from srsly.
1230879;1439050163;mircea_popescu;wywialm options on what ?
1230880;1439050179;mircea_popescu;for instance i had an open offer for a tsla short in here weeks ago, could it have filled it ?
1230881;1439050179;wywialm;and that market should be bitcoin-oriented, i.e. contracts should be structured treading fiat currencies as foreign currencies
1230882;1439050192;mircea_popescu;oh, fx futures you mean ?
1230883;1439050208;wywialm;currently - on fiat currencies, but i'd very much like to introduce stock options
1230884;1439050224;mircea_popescu;how do you resolve the liability issue ?
1230885;1439050266;mircea_popescu;suppose i buy a million dollars to be delivered in q4. how do you resolve the part where you have to make sure whoever sold me the mn actually has it by then ?
1230886;1439050332;wywialm;currently the contracts are financially settled, but when we move to the physical delivery (as soon as possible), the margins would increase as the contract approaches notice date
1230887;1439050356;mircea_popescu;so sellers get daily margin calls ?
1230888;1439050428;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/52250483f30c6d161a3d9517789a4ac7/tumblr_n9eqdbprVo1tttg72o1_1280.jpg << quoted for the pained face and contorted body language of the derp in white. she KNOWS, like in her ovaries, that she's looking at exactly what she should be doing. she thinks, in her stupid head, that this is not something she could do. so she's in the physically detectable process of inventing contortions of nonsense to
1230889;1439050443;mircea_popescu; "explain" and "make sense" of it all. because omfg, what if she just ditched the blouse o noes her mommy told her the sky would fall.
1230890;1439050443;wywialm;margin calls might appear in real time, if the margin is not replenished quickly, the position is liquidated
1230891;1439050459;wywialm;where quickly is defined in terms of price move
1230892;1439050464;mircea_popescu;"quickly"
1230893;1439050476;mircea_popescu;so it gets liquidated. what's that do for buyer ?
1230894;1439050477;wywialm;:)
1230895;1439050491;mircea_popescu;i bought 1mn in q4, yoiu're gonna give me 3/4 mn in q3 because hey, why not ?
1230896;1439050493;mircea_popescu;im suing you.
1230897;1439050556;wywialm;the liquidated contract is sold on the market at the market price
1230898;1439050577;mircea_popescu;but you see what i mean do you ?
1230899;1439050651;wywialm;yes, ultimately, the exchange provides reserves to cover for members' losses, which are planned to be strenghened by credit default swaps
1230900;1439050702;shinohai;From: https://quedex.net/doc/security  "The Cold Wallet is implemented on top of the Bitcoin Core client using watch-only addresses."   <<< fail ?
1230901;1439050703;assbot;Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeFF2S )
1230902;1439050745;wywialm;shinohai that is why i'm asking you - could you please explain?
1230903;1439050755;mircea_popescu;this will be the bane of your existence, on the general theoretic front. because like it or not, the unappealing dilemma is, either offer "renegotiable contracts", which is roughly what you're describing, and which fails at the only job futures have to do (ie, ensure the buyer of specified amount of specified merchandise on specified date), or else full reserve, which will kill your speculators without which no market
1230904;1439050756;mircea_popescu;can function (irrespective of what idiots such as the eu central bank think). so there is that.
1230905;1439050765;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact, for your daily life, you'll have a much more annoying problem.
1230906;1439050771;mircea_popescu;what btc price do you use for settlement ?
1230907;1439050815;shinohai;wywialm: still analyzing
1230908;1439050827;mircea_popescu;shinohai will require a coupla engineers always on to watch the watchjer. this is unavoidalbe, bitcoin is a pos anyway.
1230909;1439050883;wywialm;currently - an average across 4 USD exchanges, with cutting out outliers
1230910;1439050947;mircea_popescu;problem being the market's illiquid enough to be easily pushed. but that's not something you'll manage to fix or really should be fixing.
1230911;1439050985;mircea_popescu;what's the meaning of "collaborating on" in this context ?
1230912;1439051003;wywialm;i am the economist behind all this
1230913;1439051042;mircea_popescu;are you an outside consultant on a salary, a board member with an equity interest, a volunteer academic, none of the above.
1230914;1439051062;mircea_popescu;(note that deferred salary payments and other promises make you a 3)
1230915;1439051130;wywialm;re spot illiquidity - i acknowlegde this, currency futures as well as commodity futures should have physical delivery and we're working on it
1230916;1439051166;mircea_popescu;if your future doesn't deliver it has a hole in it, sooner or later it'll infect and puss out. anyway.
1230917;1439051176;wywialm;3) academic with deferred salary payments dependent of the performace of the exchange
1230918;1439051222;mircea_popescu;why would you wish to risk your reputation (which, whatever you may think of it, is significant enough that you can come here and have my ear whenever you want to) on this thing ? for all you know you're reliving the neobee nightmare. you remember that ?
1230919;1439051292;wywialm;i think it's a good idea, and i know personally people involved, and i needed your comments - how else could i get these?
1230920;1439051304;wywialm;btw: thank you for kind words
1230921;1439051319;mircea_popescu;why're these people involved not in the wot for instance ? who are they ? how do you know any word they say is true ?
1230922;1439051349;shinohai;neobee provided so many lulz
1230923;1439051366;wywialm;yes, i remember neobee very well
1230924;1439051392;mircea_popescu;the way this usually works, and it has worked about 500 times to date with 0 variance, is that scammer gets a coupla sluts and a coupla "credible people" to contact respectable, well meaning folk, launches project. from the perspective of the public the respectable folk form an impenetrable visual barrier. from the perspective of said folk, the coupla sluts and couipla salesmen idem. and a year to a year and a half lat
1230925;1439051392;mircea_popescu;er scammer runs witrh moey and the entire stack of noobs is left apologizing
1230926;1439051431;mircea_popescu;!up n6
1230927;1439051463;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/truecrypt_decrypted_by_fbi << lulz
1230928;1439051464;assbot;Wait, what? TrueCrypt 'decrypted' by FBI to nail doc-stealing sysadmin • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXlcQK )
1230929;1439051482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they finally giving up on all the pretense re truecrypt ? win.
1230930;1439051502;mircea_popescu;i guess all the effort to parallel-construct was no longer worth it seeing how "nobody" really bought it anyway.
1230931;1439051503;wywialm;i will of course invite them to WoT - but i know them for a long time irl
1230932;1439051523;nubbins`;re:neobee, wonder what happened to thickasthieves
1230933;1439051534;mircea_popescu;wywialm there's know and there's know. not something i can help you with - but know you are in fact taking your fate in your  own hands and make the call as to these people in full light of that.
1230934;1439051534;shinohai;That means little to potential investors though.
1230935;1439051540;nubbins`;i guess he got his cream and moved on
1230936;1439051549;mircea_popescu;nubbins` iirc he narrowly survived that, a settlement being involved.
1230937;1439051555;nubbins`;o!
1230938;1439051566;nubbins`;he got way too much of a pass in here
1230939;1439051572;nubbins`;for the amount of shady things he was into
1230940;1439051586;n6;Hey mircea_popescu I have been coming around last few days getting a ton of help, but it has all made me feel awful. Last year I really let your ideas down and ended up getting tricked by someone pretending to be a friend of mine. but in the end the basic ideas saved me from going to jail. would you help me work out?
1230941;1439051588;mircea_popescu;it's a forum, this. really very free passage throughout.
1230942;1439051601;mircea_popescu;n6 work out ?!
1230943;1439051602;nubbins`;8)
1230944;1439051612;mircea_popescu;like what, aerobics ?
1230945;1439051616;n6;Yep
1230946;1439051625;mircea_popescu;o.O
1230947;1439051632;*;nubbins` takes notes
1230948;1439051646;mircea_popescu;what the fuck am i, jane fonda over here. talk to a woman in good shape, they know.
1230949;1439051646;n6;Have no gpg key to prove who I am
1230950;1439051657;nubbins`;^ bummer
1230951;1439051657;wywialm;mircea_popescu, i acknowledge this
1230952;1439051663;mircea_popescu;!rated wywialm
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1230954;1439051674;n6;but maybe my story can help others
1230955;1439051690;mircea_popescu;!rate wywialm 3 Polish econ guy, trying to make quedex.net work.
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1230957;1439051704;nubbins`;!s thickasthieves
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1230959;1439051711;nubbins`;o jeez
1230960;1439051721;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.wywialm.3:8bbdc73128302d7bd5c78c2e2521b516d2041fa396c65d8d866b13e26f149a02
1230961;1439051721;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for wywialm from 2 to 3 with note: Polish econ guy, trying to make quedex.net work.
1230962;1439051726;nubbins`;LEL all those unrates.
1230963;1439051735;mircea_popescu;wywialm best of luck. there isn't anything glaringly obvious to say else.
1230964;1439051753;mircea_popescu;n6 so say your story.
1230965;1439051757;n6;working on it.
1230966;1439051766;wywialm;mircea_popescu, i didn't expect this, but i'm thankful
1230967;1439051766;mircea_popescu;was another guy did something similar, trying to remember
1230968;1439051769;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 maybe.
1230969;1439051790;wywialm;actually, there are two more issues i would like to ask you
1230970;1439051794;mircea_popescu;shoot
1230971;1439051807;n6;Started reading reading trilema about 2.5 years ago, and it was all, I could think about. But my understanding was lacking. so I didnt talk in b-a took it to all my friends, none of them seeme to care. but then one guy cyperpunk sort of guy... we talked about it for about 3/mo then he dropped off the face of the earth
1230972;1439051868;wywialm;first,is the dual market model - we are utilising auctions on openings and closes. Do you have any thoughts on it?
1230973;1439051878;n6;at some point he came back to a chan with just me and him and all he wanted to talk about was your site and doing mpex.. told him at first we didnt know anything we would just lose all our money to error or get robbed. but he kept pushing and I gave in and went to hook up with him in nyc
1230974;1439051900;nubbins`;you went to hook up with him o.O
1230975;1439051901;mircea_popescu;wywialm it's not an illegitimate approach. i can't evaluate how practically useful it'll be, but then again that's what you folks are in for right ?
1230976;1439051928;mircea_popescu;n6 what's your first language ?
1230977;1439051936;n6;english
1230978;1439051938;n6;just very bad with it.
1230979;1439051940;mircea_popescu;kk go on.
1230980;1439051963;wywialm;second, is the stock options mentioned above - would you allow to issue options on S.MPOE, or would you allow creating an MPEx index to issue derivatives on it?
1230981;1439051973;n6;we had a longer friendship then 3/mo and he was the one who told me about bitcoin forums (how i found out about mpoe-pr). anyway once I got to nyc, saw we both didnt know anything so pretty much told him I couldnt keep keys and we would lose all our money
1230982;1439051976;n6;he still wanted to do it
1230983;1439051982;n6;told him he should just do coinbr and leave me out of it
1230984;1439051987;n6;said he was ok with losing all his money
1230985;1439052007;n6;told him I wouldn't have anything to do with fiat only bitcoin and we would have to move out of the states to do it.
1230986;1439052046;mircea_popescu;wywialm i'm not required to allow trading of options. for as long as you hold some of the underlying, you can structure its ownership in any way you wish. such as through trading options on it.
1230987;1439052062;n6;he was also asking me to rep him in the wot ( told him he had to do that on his own )
1230988;1439052082;mircea_popescu;!gettrust n6
1230989;1439052085;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/
1230990;1439052087;n6;I'm not a user
1230991;1439052092;n6;no key
1230992;1439052092;mircea_popescu;n6 how would you help him then ?
1230993;1439052109;wywialm;legally - yes, but you would be a stakeholder in some sense, so i'd rather do it with you knowing about it
1230994;1439052120;n6;I was wrong. but your ideas saved me
1230995;1439052127;*;nubbins` chuckles
1230996;1439052145;nubbins`;i have 5 bucks says MP is getting a woman to read this back to him later
1230997;1439052149;n6;I couldn't help him, thought he would do some reading on his own but all he wanted me to do was save posts for him to read.
1230998;1439052157;n6;yep
1230999;1439052162;n6;more then 5
1231000;1439052188;nubbins`;your friend sounds like a chump
1231001;1439052188;n6;even showed me how to save a post on my desktop.... into a pdf
1231002;1439052191;nubbins`;no offense
1231003;1439052196;n6;he isnt my friend he was someone pretending to be
1231004;1439052202;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you lose.
1231005;1439052206;nubbins`;:/
1231006;1439052207;wywialm;anyway, thank you for your comments
1231007;1439052220;n6;sorry for how I acted, mind if i come back around?
1231008;1439052226;nubbins`;n6 when you said "cypherpunk" i stopped caring :P
1231009;1439052238;mircea_popescu;wywialm well i'm not entirely sure how that'd work, not like i'm against it or anything. but gotta come up with something specific.
1231010;1439052242;nubbins`;n6 heck, pull up a chair
1231011;1439052247;n6;nubbins` for good reason... but he was the only person around my level I could find to talk about this with.
1231012;1439052253;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know.
1231013;1439052277;wywialm;sure, when technical stuff is ready i will let you know
1231014;1439052279;mircea_popescu;n6 either i'm slow today or something's amiss. i don't get what exactly you think you did wrong from this story.
1231015;1439052312;n6;I didn't interact with my first friend using gpg auth so someoen else just stepped in and was able too..
1231016;1439052323;n6;we had only ever met online
1231017;1439052343;mircea_popescu;so what, i'm the patron saint of sane ops ?
1231018;1439052352;shinohai;tl;dr use wot next time
1231019;1439052363;n6;yes
1231020;1439052371;mircea_popescu;tell you what, wen i was about 10 a girl that really liked me in schooil called me on the phone pretending to be this other girl i really liked, and she tricked me into meeting at the movies.
1231021;1439052387;mircea_popescu;i didnmt think to ask for a gpg sig. bought her an icecream and we even kissed!
1231022;1439052391;mircea_popescu;will you ever forgive me ?
1231023;1439052414;mircea_popescu;(yes, back when i was 10 kids went to the cinema on their own. fancy that.)
1231024;1439052420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00060946 = 18.2229 BTC [+] {2} 
1231025;1439052421;mircea_popescu;(even got a discount)
1231026;1439052430;n6;Yes, do you forgive me for being an idiot and trying to fuck up what your building with derping around?
1231027;1439052442;wywialm;ah, in case you, the assetteers, are interested - Quedex is running beta testing combined with trading challenge. Participation is greatly welcomed as well as any feedback
1231028;1439052444;mircea_popescu;i srsly don't see a problem n6. relax an; enjoy.
1231029;1439052481;wywialm;more info at https://quedex.net/challenge/ranking
1231030;1439052482;assbot;Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1gmATDD )
1231031;1439052501;mircea_popescu;wywialm you gonna introduce eulora copper derivatives ? :D
1231032;1439052515;mircea_popescu;The sum of Bitcoin prizes in the challenge is 3.14159265 BTC. hahaha
1231033;1439052552;mircea_popescu;"how do we do this, we don't have a lot of money to spend on it" "just pick a significant number, that's how mp always does it. people will think hey, it's metasyntactic!"
1231034;1439052571;n6;mircea_popescu: I'm still working on getting the callgraph http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 working but seem to have lost my lsub file, on my gentoo install and need to build it on os x and move it over to my gentoo distro. think you could help me with that?
1231035;1439052572;assbot;[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrqQ2 )
1231036;1439052580;wywialm;that is just beta :)
1231037;1439052584;n6;seems a shame to come all this way and not finish the job.
1231038;1439052604;mircea_popescu;n6 notrly, i'm not much of a systems guy.
1231039;1439052635;n6;mircea_popescu: didn't you teach some kids how to use gentoo with RagnarDanneskjol ?
1231040;1439052677;mircea_popescu;mno. just recommended him to give them something to do hopefully less retarded than what they were doing at the time.
1231041;1439052698;mircea_popescu; (hostile messages won't be awarded points) << lol how da fuck do you police that.
1231042;1439052740;wywialm;in case we notice :)
1231043;1439052749;n6;mircea_popescu: any ideas for how I might get back a lsub?
1231044;1439052774;wywialm;the recommendations are moderated, also
1231045;1439052779;mircea_popescu;i dunno, build it.
1231046;1439052791;n6;where do I learn how to do that?
1231047;1439052864;n6;Got so much help from everyone in here, that was the only way I could even get the install working. even after reading docs for hours. need similar help here.
1231048;1439052969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00061157 = 14.8306 BTC [+] {4} 
1231049;1439052976;mircea_popescu;i don't even fucking remember what lsub was
1231050;1439053051;mircea_popescu;the usb lister thing ?
1231051;1439053106;n6;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wifi#Hardware_Detection yes
1231052;1439053108;assbot;Wifi - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1gmCY2y )
1231053;1439053123;mircea_popescu;isn't that lsusb ?
1231054;1439053141;mircea_popescu;anyway, writing an article, i'll bbl.
1231055;1439053146;n6;I need to compile it here and move it to there
1231056;1439053159;n6;ok ttyl thanks for letting me come back.
1231057;1439053398;shinohai;!up n6
1231058;1439053451;n6;thanks shinohai, but not sure anyone is around who can help me, going to do some reading.
1231059;1439053472;shinohai;what did u need help with lusb?
1231060;1439053500;shinohai;*lsusb
1231061;1439053513;n6;it's missing on my gentoo install and need to install some wifi ethernet is broken.
1231062;1439053558;*;asciilifeform has nothing against n00bz, but has the distinct feeling of watching primary school pupils banging on the door of a university maths dept for help with arithmetic homework.
1231063;1439053580;shinohai;Well that sux. I can't be of much help when it comes to gentoo tho :/
1231064;1439053592;asciilifeform;schools have grade for a reason?
1231065;1439053671;phf;i need to reverse a list in lisp - use nreverse - no i need to do it manually!
1231066;1439053684;asciilifeform;'here, have a magnetized needle'
1231067;1439053754;n6;woudln't know never went to school asciilifeform dropped out in the 7th grade.
1231068;1439053764;n6;and before that never did any work.
1231069;1439053770;n6;seems to have caught up with me in the end.
1231070;1439053783;asciilifeform;n6: what did you do with the time you won ?
1231071;1439053805;*;asciilifeform has several colleagues who didn't finish school, they put the time to good use
1231072;1439053823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00061473 = 12.9708 BTC [+] {3} 
1231073;1439053865;n6;I played video games and read selectively
1231074;1439053985;asciilifeform;what's it mean to 'read selectively' ?
1231075;1439054100;n6;It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up.
1231076;1439054162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the first one's always instructive.
1231077;1439054189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00060905 = 7.8263 BTC [-]
1231078;1439054195;mircea_popescu;very simple math in my head, "is this one doing a better job at X than the last/best one we saw to date". obviously in empty lines this is trivial. also perhaps not for everyone.
1231079;1439054343;n6;mircea_popescu: how does someone go about learning Romanian?
1231080;1439054357;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231075   <<< That's the answer! Give up when it gets hard!
1231081;1439054357;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 17:15:00; n6: It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up.
1231082;1439054366;shinohai;I've been doing it all wrong.
1231083;1439054382;mircea_popescu;n6 same way you learn any language - find a native girlfriend.
1231084;1439054406;n6;never had a girlfriend.
1231085;1439054465;shinohai;n6: http://backpage.com/
1231086;1439054466;assbot;Free classifieds - backpage.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2Qqpw )
1231087;1439054486;mircea_popescu;how old are you n6 ?
1231088;1439054489;n6;26
1231089;1439054502;shinohai;Christ on a stick
1231090;1439054507;mircea_popescu;you're missing out.
1231091;1439054515;n6;was a recluse for 12~ years
1231092;1439054523;mircea_popescu;who paid the bills ?
1231093;1439054526;n6;my mommy
1231094;1439054533;n6;and the govorment
1231095;1439054546;phf;most romanian girls i've met on the east coast were doing work exchange at beach towns. they are very friendly and talkative because americans seemed to be scared of approaching them
1231096;1439054547;*;shinohai not sure if trolling ....
1231097;1439054593;mircea_popescu;phf gotta appreciate they grew up in a sane culture. you know, malecentric rapeworld of doom-evil thing.
1231098;1439054610;mircea_popescu;so the world as reflected in their eyes doesn't actually suck the way it does for usian born and bred.
1231099;1439054671;phf;i sometimes forget how it us outside of here
1231100;1439054701;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's got a decade into it left anyway
1231101;1439054708;mircea_popescu;the us way is after all easier.
1231102;1439054723;n6;shinohai: i'm not trolling
1231103;1439054793;phf;mircea_popescu: you mean sane culture has a decade left to it? i've noticed the whole rapeworld thing happening to russian girls
1231104;1439054793;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146707
1231105;1439054793;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 03:27:41; asciilifeform: generally these folks have better sense than to come here.
1231106;1439054825;mircea_popescu;phf "rapeworld". just because english tards use words doesn't mean much.
1231107;1439054980;phf;i hope so, because the whole thing is toxic and oppressive
1231108;1439055007;mircea_popescu;i think we'd greatly benefit from defining things here, i'm getting confused.
1231109;1439055102;mircea_popescu;so, i see three things. 1) the actual rape culture as seen in "women are cattle" vory outlook on life and derivatives ; 2) the so-called "rape culture" wherein male dominance is generally recognised as natural within some bounds ; 3) the libertard nonsense, a recent reimplementation of the ancient socialist "great leaps forward".
1231110;1439055108;mircea_popescu;i was comparing 2 and 3. were you thinking of 1 ?
1231111;1439055151;phf;no, 2 and 3. i was saying that 3 is toxic and oppressive
1231112;1439055163;mircea_popescu;oh i c.
1231113;1439055175;mircea_popescu;i dunno, it's really just meaningless.
1231114;1439055179;mircea_popescu;toxic, i suppose, if one's bolted down.
1231115;1439055186;mircea_popescu;like the nut tree's toxic.
1231116;1439055296;phf;well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long
1231117;1439055351;mircea_popescu;so you say "hey, something bothering you" ?
1231118;1439055380;phf;i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian
1231119;1439055409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35334 @ 0.00060022 = 21.2082 BTC [-]
1231120;1439055412;asciilifeform;^ absolute iron SOP in usa
1231121;1439055433;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. <<< wat
1231122;1439055497;mircea_popescu;nubbins` srsly ? downshifting, hanging out with obscure bands and whatnoit making posters all day. whjat else ?
1231123;1439055498;scoopbot_revived;The Structured Conversation http://trilema.com/2015/the-structured-conversation/
1231124;1439055523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: phuctor reactor refueling now !
1231125;1439055561;mircea_popescu;phf it's funny to me, as a purely unconvinced observer of "culture" as a feeding epiphenomena, to notice just how fundamentally workable the whole species is. does it want a war ? it'll fucking fix the demographics and get it, and you can write any book you want - it'll help!
1231126;1439055562;nubbins`;you make cypherpunks sound like slummed-out ne'er-do-wells
1231127;1439055564;nubbins`;oh wait ;p
1231128;1439055582;mircea_popescu;nubbins` did i leave out the psychoactives or somewhing ? whence the protest ? :D
1231129;1439055617;nubbins`;:D
1231130;1439055624;mircea_popescu;"guy with a pgp key and a bmezine archive" = cypherpunk
1231131;1439055628;chetty;<phf> i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no,/usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided, and even those who dont buy it must behave like that in groups
1231132;1439055629;mircea_popescu;what was your definition.
1231133;1439055630;nubbins`;heh.
1231134;1439055642;nubbins`;i actually went back to browse the BME community website thing
1231135;1439055643;nubbins`;sad :/
1231136;1439055647;mircea_popescu;chetty the mindboggling thing is that they'd buy it.
1231137;1439055653;mircea_popescu;since when do adolescent women listen to anyone.,
1231138;1439055670;nubbins`;since they encountered enough nasty pervs to realize?
1231139;1439055686;chetty;they listen to their peers, or at least behave as they do
1231140;1439055760;mircea_popescu;nubbins` these actually exist ?
1231141;1439055779;mircea_popescu;they seem more akin to the counterfeit "collabolators" of soviet era.
1231142;1439055836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00061715 = 22.3717 BTC [+] {3} 
1231143;1439056084;ben_vulpes;phf: running and logging the CS install
1231144;1439056114;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> ^ absolute iron SOP in usa << i do not get this attitude of yourn
1231145;1439056143;phf;cool thanks!
1231146;1439056167;ben_vulpes;i have a wife, wear a ring, and dates are *still* very easy to procure
1231147;1439056172;ben_vulpes;do you boys not /smile/ or something?
1231148;1439056229;phf;ben_vulpes: i wasn't talking about "dates"
1231149;1439056263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00061884 = 2.0422 BTC [+] {2} 
1231150;1439056282;mircea_popescu;maybe the east coast sucks this bad
1231151;1439056340;phf;ben_vulpes: also beach in san diego was a lot more pleasant overall then the one in ocean city md, so it must be east coast thing
1231152;1439056384;*;asciilifeform was brain-melted when visiting the distant lands where gurlz look like people, in apr. '14 and '15
1231153;1439056443;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1106285 << see also.
1231154;1439056443;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 02:23:24; ascii_lander: in usa perhaps 1 in 10 20-30y.o. females has the face of a human being, rather than a malignant motorized plastic doll
1231155;1439056502;ben_vulpes;i think this whole routine of ascii's boils down to "the east coast sucks and more so in direct proportion to DC proximity"
1231156;1439056502;phf;ben_vulpes: besides you're an american, let the expats bitch and moan :)
1231157;1439056507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35144 @ 0.00059734 = 20.9929 BTC [-] {3} 
1231158;1439056522;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nyc didn't look detectably different to naked eye
1231159;1439056543;ben_vulpes;you don't see much of a difference between nyc and the md burbs?
1231160;1439056557;asciilifeform;not in the phenomenon discussed earlier
1231161;1439056563;ben_vulpes;or is this just the girlfaces
1231162;1439056569;asciilifeform;aha
1231163;1439056579;ben_vulpes;i am mystified i tell you
1231164;1439056611;ben_vulpes;coracle's caught up to 209425
1231165;1439056622;ben_vulpes;slurping dregs from dulap
1231166;1439056645;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: might wanna switch to zoolag for a spell, if too slow
1231167;1439056653;asciilifeform;dulap is getting reactor rods swapped
1231168;1439056687;ben_vulpes;what and wait for bitcoin to shut down?
1231169;1439056688;ben_vulpes;noty.
1231170;1439056695;ben_vulpes;plus, i have all century.
1231171;1439056697;asciilifeform;lel
1231172;1439056728;*;ben_vulpes shuts down bitcoind, sets reminder for self, wanders off to make coffee, dismisses reminder ('no way its's shut down yet'), forgetst to restart
1231173;1439056739;ben_vulpes;been down this road too many times now.
1231174;1439056750;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: y'know it's ok to kill -9 it ~AFTER~ it lets go of db
1231175;1439056784;ben_vulpes;what's the logline that indicates its let go of the db?
1231176;1439056803;asciilifeform;lsof
1231177;1439056944;*;ben_vulpes emerges more things
1231178;1439057045;ben_vulpes;nifty, asciilifeform
1231179;1439057064;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: never seen it before ?
1231180;1439057116;ben_vulpes;no sir
1231181;1439057128;*;nubbins` claps
1231182;1439057422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00059499 = 20.1999 BTC [-] {4} 
1231183;1439057460;chetty;usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided// on consideration not so sure they are wrong either
1231184;1439057537;*;nubbins` gestures
1231185;1439057554;nubbins`;bbl making cat posters ;p
1231186;1439058019;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf http://cascadianhacker.com/eulora/cslogs.tar.gz
1231187;1439058021;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeVkiG )
1231188;1439058021;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1231189;1439058085;ben_vulpes;there he is
1231190;1439058154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00060486 = 18.6599 BTC [+] {3} 
1231191;1439058163;phf;got your log
1231192;1439058178;ben_vulpes;i've not looked at it yet
1231193;1439058237;phf;chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living
1231194;1439058633;phf;ben_vulpes: mm, it looks like your install is picking up some extra packages that i don't have and haven't tested. specifically it's failing trying to build bullet related plugins.
1231195;1439058748;trinque;mod6 | The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor.  Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] << for sure; my current efforts are directed at the problem of n00bs showing up, asking for a gentleman's computer, and getting five hundred contradictory answers on how to set it up
1231196;1439058756;phf;i think that might be fixable using something like --disable-* or --without-*, i'll take a look at it in a bit
1231197;1439058810;ben_vulpes;phf: possible holdover from macports?
1231198;1439058867;phf;oh that makes things even more interesting :p
1231199;1439058942;phf;ben_vulpes: do you have bullet installed in homebrew? brew list|grep bullet
1231200;1439058945;ben_vulpes;well except i don't think i ever did
1231201;1439058947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00061884 = 19.215 BTC [+]
1231202;1439058958;ben_vulpes;myeah, let me rip that out and run it again
1231203;1439059049;phf;yeah cs's configure takes --without-* param, so i'll harden the script too
1231204;1439059073;ben_vulpes;installing again without bullet present
1231205;1439059075;ben_vulpes;hopefully
1231206;1439059154;phf;i think i found another issue, that's present on my system too. seems like cs requires openal, but i don't have it in dependencies (nor do i have it installed). not sure if it just went past the issue on my install or what
1231207;1439059552;ben_vulpes;does your eulora boot?
1231208;1439059566;phf;yes
1231209;1439059571;ben_vulpes;lucky guy
1231210;1439059581;ben_vulpes;i'll get there i'm sure
1231211;1439059657;phf;i did three builds so far, one was manual toothpicks and gum, the other one was generated using a shell script, but that was just unmanageable, so i'll figured i'll try homebrew scripts, which is the most promising so far
1231212;1439059764;ben_vulpes;set -e, write functions?
1231213;1439059776;ben_vulpes;i can't do shell scripts without those two things.
1231214;1439059787;phf;ben_vulpes: yes, of course
1231215;1439059787;ben_vulpes;anyways, off for a spell
1231216;1439059810;ben_vulpes;you'd think those things would be an 'of course', wouldn't you
1231217;1439059912;phf;i was also trying to build gcc&co with the same script, which is where i drew the line. but if it's not self contained and i have to rely on homebrew anyway, might as well make it all modern and dwim
1231218;1439060224;phf;ben_vulpes: i updated cs to not build untested plugins, so if you do brew update..
1231219;1439061326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00059499 = 17.463 BTC [-] {3} 
1231220;1439062217;chetty;phf> chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living/perhaps not pleasant, just real
1231221;1439062277;mircea_popescu;what's a "perv"
1231222;1439062303;mircea_popescu;i suppose anyone not aiming to get them pregnant's perverse by the general definition. this also includes the girls in question.
1231223;1439062448;chetty;well what is and isnt a 'perv' is a pretty personal definition. Some might go with the pregnant call but not many, imo.
1231224;1439062463;mircea_popescu;still, the word has to have a shared meaning
1231225;1439062472;mircea_popescu;what's this personal thing ? can't have personally defined words.
1231226;1439062554;chetty;well lets make it easy then, most of the 'men' in this channel would seem to qualify under common understanding of the word.
1231227;1439062578;mircea_popescu;which is ?
1231228;1439062653;mod6;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully.
1231229;1439062665;mircea_popescu;yay
1231230;1439062679;ben_vulpes;woo
1231231;1439062770;danielpbarron;i think it's perverted to "preserve the innocence" of kids like how parents spell out "bad" words and avoid answering questions of a sexual nature and whatnot
1231232;1439062829;mircea_popescu;certainly a frank approach of any matter is a more respectable thing to do than any alternative.
1231233;1439062830;chetty;<mircea_popescu> which is ?// consider the general attitude of women mostly only fit to be cows or slaves ...
1231234;1439062851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00061884 = 14.9759 BTC [+] {3} 
1231235;1439062878;mircea_popescu;chetty that's far from general is it.
1231236;1439062914;chetty;nah, its general enough, this channel is just more honest about it
1231237;1439062923;mircea_popescu;most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view.
1231238;1439062966;chetty;nah, its just most couch it more politely
1231239;1439062968;mod6;trinque: would you be opposed to resubmitting your patch for the rotor to the ML as a attachment with a detached sig?  I have a list of concise steps that is basically a simple script to do all of the steps to build rotor/static-deterministic-stator just need to get that piece into place.  that's the only manual step at this point.
1231240;1439062980;mod6;If not, I can do it for you.  Just let me know what works, or if you need help.
1231241;1439063583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24567 @ 0.00061885 = 15.2033 BTC [+] {3} 
1231242;1439064163;mod6;anyway, no rush.
1231243;1439066009;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf updated cs log bundle for you
1231244;1439066009;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1231245;1439066012;ben_vulpes;still no dice
1231246;1439066026;ben_vulpes;ran brew update, got new recipe, still no dice on cs
1231247;1439066043;ben_vulpes;90% of what i do around here is compiling other people's software
1231248;1439066057;ben_vulpes;then saying "hurr durr dun werk"
1231249;1439066333;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231237 << optimist
1231250;1439066333;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:03; mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view.
1231251;1439066400;kakobrekla;on which? people being cows? cows benefiting? cows taking up slavery?
1231252;1439066694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00061884 = 6.1575 BTC [-] {3} 
1231253;1439066980;mircea_popescu;compound views!
1231254;1439067426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00061524 = 9.0133 BTC [-]
1231255;1439067462;jurov;i'd say alf was ironic
1231256;1439067548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00061046 = 22.4039 BTC [-] {3} 
1231257;1439067731;asciilifeform;no.
1231258;1439068430;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/d81039aeca2faf776b4a10b87f1ee93d/tumblr_nnhnobQAX71tbvr5oo1_500.png << "no to racism, yes to welcome."
1231259;1439068431;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnlW4p )
1231260;1439068484;mats;http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6U77vWR4ZOe1XYEY this is gruesome
1231261;1439068485;assbot;Terrible: Vendors Saw A Giant Whale Shark Into Pieces While It's Still Alive! (*Warning* Graphic)  | New Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnm97C )
1231262;1439068528;mats;https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonsfuckingcars TIL this is a thing
1231263;1439068530;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnmeZ5 )
1231264;1439068707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00060837 = 22.1142 BTC [-] {4} 
1231265;1439068867;shinohai;Holy shit I feel like a bzillionaire now.
1231266;1439068955;fluffypony;http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1439045534-20150808.png
1231267;1439068958;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DylCdS )
1231268;1439069523;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231238 << and this is, imnsho, a huge part of why the whole sick scene has arrived at this terminally irresolvable level... because cowards. and why? pussy! haha... stuck in revolving door
1231269;1439069523;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:46; chetty: nah, its just most couch it more politely
1231270;1439069576;hanbot;i want to make sure i'm reading ml patching guide correctly: any/all patches desired must be 'applied' --before-- compile of reference implementation, yes?
1231271;1439069590;shinohai;correct hanbot
1231272;1439069614;funkenstein_;mats, thankfully my eyes saved by no flash player
1231273;1439069653;funkenstein_;re: yes to welcome, i can't tell if she is african or arab
1231274;1439069680;shinohai;;;gettrust fluffypony
1231275;1439069681;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@unaffiliated/fluffypony. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr  6 08:20:32 2013
1231276;1439070028;ben_vulpes;mats: "vendors"?
1231277;1439070029;mircea_popescu;http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/572036/immigration-Britain-family-Nigeria-Home-Office-migration
1231278;1439070030;assbot;Britain forced to let deported illegal immigrant family BACK IN | UK | News | Daily Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1DynpzI )
1231279;1439070031;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy
1231280;1439070207;shinohai;No different here in the good 'ol USA. We have illegals all over the South. It gives the conservatives no end of angst.
1231281;1439070229;*;shinohai which is fine by me.
1231282;1439070232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00061884 = 8.7875 BTC [+] {2} 
1231283;1439070264;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7LNOCgHh5g
1231284;1439070264;assbot;Jonathan Bowden-'Lilith before Eve' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnqBDo )
1231285;1439070370;funkenstein_;how dare those people breathe air without having proper socialist papers
1231286;1439070401;shinohai;Immigrants: https://i.imgur.com/iyBa76Z.jpg
1231287;1439070402;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyo9VJ )
1231288;1439070422;mircea_popescu;there is a fundamental problem in proposing taxes be used for welfare, and then going around and redefining citizenship
1231289;1439070450;mircea_popescu;seems dubious whoever paid the $$$ in question was all too thrilled about it being used to prop up the fortunes of even his own countrymen,
1231290;1439070455;mircea_popescu;but random people... i dun see it.
1231291;1439070485;shinohai;I feel lucky that the $$$ I paid in pays for my pension as is.
1231292;1439070493;funkenstein_;i can understand not giving somebody soup at the soup line, but walking across a border seems ok to me
1231293;1439070509;punkman;"In June, 15,254 migrants and refugees arrived on Lesbos, according to  the Greek Coast Guard, compared with 921 the same month last year." << island has around 80k people, dunno how it's not overrun yet
1231294;1439070511;shinohai;"No soup for you!"
1231295;1439070552;funkenstein_;punkman, lol..  with that name I also can't understand how it's not overrun :)
1231296;1439070580;mats;ben_vulpes: opportunists, eh
1231297;1439070584;trinque;when you're talking about borders on the scale of a continent, talking about "illegal immigration" is yes, stupid
1231298;1439070587;mircea_popescu;punkman the other sad fact of the matter is that africa is simply collapsing.
1231299;1439070588;trinque;an unsolvable problme
1231300;1439070623;mircea_popescu;derps prefer not to talk about this, but outside of chinese sponsored enclaves and whatever few others here and there, subsaharan africa is going to be a slightly larger yellowstone park in a decade or two.
1231301;1439070625;trinque;"you can't enter this city without being in a resident's WoT" << sounds fine to me
1231302;1439070643;shinohai;Anyone that has a realbitcoin node running that can try something for me this evening please PM
1231303;1439070653;mats;fish are friends, not food
1231304;1439070664;fluffypony;lol mats
1231305;1439070679;punkman;"About 60 percent of the arrivals are from Syria. The next largest group,  making up about 20 percent, are Afghans. But there are also arrivals  from Somalia, Congo, Eritrea and Pakistan, among others."
1231306;1439070736;mats;funkenstein_: plays as mp4 over here
1231307;1439070753;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/
1231308;1439070755;assbot;Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare - Judicial Watch ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyoV4X )
1231309;1439070767;ag3nt_zer0;anchor babies
1231310;1439070789;mircea_popescu;i don't see how they wouldn't, practically. a drink's five bux in a bar, their monthly budget back home. what exactly would they do, not like they have any skills of any value
1231311;1439070810;mircea_popescu;heck, most europeans don't.
1231312;1439070831;shinohai;So pay them to gtfo
1231313;1439070850;ag3nt_zer0;well yeah but it is still something to consider
1231314;1439070922;mircea_popescu;the only way you pay someone to gtfo is with machine gun fire.
1231315;1439070930;mircea_popescu;money pays to stay not to go.
1231316;1439070958;ag3nt_zer0;there are plenty of bums who drink and it isnt at the bars
1231317;1439071006;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 the immigrant isn't starting any multinational corporation with his 500 saved up pula, is the point.
1231318;1439071120;ag3nt_zer0;most people in america have just been infantilized into retardation and dont have the will to see clearly without internalized guilt frameworks sabotaging them at every turn
1231319;1439071175;trinque;https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rNhRzKsM0rY/UTsAl7amlgI/AAAAAAAAAss/wNYn9_GnSiU/s1600/1babylon.png
1231320;1439071176;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DypBqT )
1231321;1439071180;ag3nt_zer0;and they will kill you if you point that out.. with their mommy superpowers
1231322;1439071186;trinque;try illegally immigrating to that city...
1231323;1439071219;ag3nt_zer0;hey trinque whats up man
1231324;1439071225;trinque;good afternoon
1231325;1439071226;mircea_popescu;trinque wasn;t a closed city afaik
1231326;1439071236;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah, well maybe we could make some improvements
1231327;1439071242;mircea_popescu;...
1231328;1439071245;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind
1231329;1439071245;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1231330;1439071249;trinque;I mean surely merchants are allowed in
1231331;1439071263;trinque;my thought is simply that you should be vouched for by someone in a place before you're permitted entry
1231332;1439071267;trinque;you know, such as here.
1231333;1439071283;mircea_popescu;the golden crescent didn't have the "rights" approach to things.
1231334;1439071296;mircea_popescu;you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat.
1231335;1439071301;mircea_popescu;so best go there with guards.
1231336;1439071313;mircea_popescu;but on this premise, sure, go wherever.
1231337;1439071360;ag3nt_zer0;well up until the early 70s in america we were mostly taking white immigrants who simply assimilate easier and are more aligned with the extant culture... Teddy Kennedy changed all that
1231338;1439071387;trinque;my point's simply that talking about immigration at the nation-state scale is an absurdly large, unsolvable problem
1231339;1439071417;mircea_popescu;kinda the internal combustion engine changed all that.
1231340;1439071421;trinque;mircea_popescu: I see your point; if you have power, you're safe wherever you like
1231341;1439071427;mircea_popescu;once you can move that fast, "immigration" is a weird concept.
1231342;1439071456;mircea_popescu;trinque sorta like the lion sees it. are yo uan illegal immigrant in the savannah ? well... it all depends. how good's your roar ?
1231343;1439071464;trinque;haha
1231344;1439071469;ag3nt_zer0;i want a nigger teleporter
1231345;1439071484;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvr0puOihe1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
1231346;1439071485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyq8t5 )
1231347;1439071526;funkenstein_;well i guess we have illegal plants and illegal numbers..  why not illegal people?
1231348;1439071537;ag3nt_zer0;and not just to set on deport
1231349;1439071803;hanbot;re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html (patch)?
1231350;1439071804;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYgY )
1231351;1439071809;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: oddly enough, this opposite of this argument is used by the left to prop up amnesty and all these things... that that's exactly what they are doing... bringing great contribution... and, someone has to pick my vegetables Im told...
1231352;1439071821;ag3nt_zer0;did anyone watch that GOP debate?
1231353;1439071840;mircea_popescu;was it the first and biggest ?
1231354;1439071855;trinque;I suffered through part of it; in general though, the outcome should by now be largely irrelevant to you.
1231355;1439071886;ag3nt_zer0;yeah i guess it is
1231356;1439071901;ag3nt_zer0;but just nice to see someone there on their own dime for a chnage
1231357;1439071919;trinque;Trump's just froth on the top of the last real estate bubble
1231358;1439071942;ag3nt_zer0;sure but its his money in his pocket
1231359;1439072029;trinque;I'm not going to deny that the man has made some money, but neither he nor anyone else has any ideas.
1231360;1439072037;ag3nt_zer0;maybe i am getting stupid, but I find it refreshing
1231361;1439072052;ag3nt_zer0;it lifts a bit of the fog of conformity
1231362;1439072066;trinque;this is a man who hosted reality tv, rememeber
1231363;1439072070;ag3nt_zer0;yeah sure
1231364;1439072073;trinque;*remember
1231365;1439072076;ag3nt_zer0;but he did it for the money
1231366;1439072086;ag3nt_zer0;i assume
1231367;1439072183;trinque;far from being someone who can see the "big issues" with america, he benefited from all the worst of them
1231368;1439072212;trinque;I don't expect anything good to come of him except a bitching monster truck rally sponsored by Brawndo
1231369;1439072217;ag3nt_zer0;haha
1231370;1439072229;ag3nt_zer0;could be right
1231371;1439072254;ag3nt_zer0;it must be a sign of how low we've sink that I would consider that an upgrade
1231372;1439072259;trinque;indeed.
1231373;1439072411;ag3nt_zer0;so i got this meetup notice that there are some etherium frontier launch parties this weekend here in the Gay Area... one is a dress-up rainbows and unicorns party...
1231374;1439072489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21298 @ 0.00061886 = 13.1805 BTC [+] {3} 
1231375;1439072785;shinohai;ag3nt_zer0: etherium launch parties. srsly ?
1231376;1439072802;shinohai;Of course they picked gay areas.
1231377;1439072903;ag3nt_zer0;haha yeah... frontier launch i guess its called
1231378;1439072911;ag3nt_zer0;lols https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZdq5ErcOY
1231379;1439072912;assbot;Caitlyn Jenner Struggles Wearing a Swimsuit - I Am Cait NEW Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DysAQa )
1231380;1439072935;ag3nt_zer0;sorry for the trash haha
1231381;1439072940;ag3nt_zer0;can't help it
1231382;1439072955;ag3nt_zer0;its like a sore tooth as bill hicks said
1231383;1439072966;ag3nt_zer0;cant stop touching it
1231384;1439073140;ag3nt_zer0;remember this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbeu6TYT5LA classic...
1231385;1439073141;assbot;Bill Hicks - El Rock es la música del diablo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DysS9K )
1231386;1439073164;shinohai;I'd get dirty w/ Caitlyn for 5 BTC
1231387;1439073177;shinohai;^ put dat shit on BitBet
1231388;1439073218;ag3nt_zer0;haha
1231389;1439073360;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, how much make up to they want to cake onto that thing?
1231390;1439073363;cazalla;do*
1231391;1439073444;cazalla;i am sure you will be keen to see this movie too ag3nt_zer0 !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S8HVoWm9ec
1231392;1439073445;assbot;See Elle Fanning as a Trans Teenager in the About Ray Trailer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dytnk6 )
1231393;1439073445;ag3nt_zer0;he learned from the best i think
1231394;1439073458;ag3nt_zer0;haha thx
1231395;1439073501;funkenstein_;ag3nt_zer0, Bill Hicks +1 thx, i skip the others ;)
1231396;1439073545;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla: man...
1231397;1439073587;ag3nt_zer0;funkenstein: tragic loss man... that's the "left" i used to love
1231398;1439073606;ag3nt_zer0;i wonder what he would have to say about the left today...
1231399;1439073606;trinque;he wasn't left
1231400;1439073611;trinque;he just took a lot of drugs
1231401;1439073617;ag3nt_zer0;well by his own admission he was
1231402;1439073637;shinohai;funkenstein_: I will rate you for your help earlier, your feedback helped me fix this shit.
1231403;1439073641;ag3nt_zer0;but i often think he might have had a naivety about the political spectrum
1231404;1439073704;trinque;struck me as someone mistrusting big govt
1231405;1439073715;funkenstein_;shinohai, many thanks, and happy to help :D
1231406;1439073727;trinque;but otherwise I don't remember a specific mention of his political beliefs, aside from seeing it all as bullshit
1231407;1439073746;shinohai;It was goddamned stupidity and paranoia on my part.
1231408;1439073805;funkenstein_;oh?  some secret routing table?
1231409;1439073825;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT84nMCwHtY
1231410;1439073826;assbot;bill hicks ripping bush - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyu0du )
1231411;1439073829;shinohai;Nope, files. Those little files appended with ~
1231412;1439073834;ag3nt_zer0;here is where i remember that from
1231413;1439073860;ag3nt_zer0;its contextual but I think he considered himself on "that side" if any side
1231414;1439073869;ag3nt_zer0;these days I am certain he wouldnt
1231415;1439073919;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: sure, hating bush isn't being a leftist
1231416;1439073923;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yeah I think he was just mistrustful of gvmt power in general
1231417;1439073926;trinque;he said it, but yeah
1231418;1439073929;trinque;that's just binary thinking
1231419;1439073941;ag3nt_zer0;well thats what i meant about the political naivity
1231420;1439073946;ag3nt_zer0;its strange
1231421;1439073946;trinque;agreed
1231422;1439073951;trinque;consider his audience
1231423;1439073955;ag3nt_zer0;fueled by psychedelics
1231424;1439073966;ag3nt_zer0;it is not uncommon for folks to end up on the left
1231425;1439074063;ag3nt_zer0;something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
1231426;1439074072;trinque;I've done piles of psychedelics
1231427;1439074077;trinque;I think that's just hippy nonsense
1231428;1439074102;trinque;never after a trip was I moved to join hands and sing
1231429;1439074128;ag3nt_zer0;well maybe its the music scene and the civil rights and the 60s and that whole ball of wax... that when people wake up on those substances, if they follow the "cultural
1231430;1439074139;ag3nt_zer0; thread, they are led back to those "movements"
1231431;1439074140;trinque;that's what I mean about binary thinking.
1231432;1439074156;trinque;somebody takes a strong chemical, realizes that they've mindlessly followed this or that
1231433;1439074179;trinque;so in their ignorance, they stick a minus sign in front of what they believed last and call it a revelation
1231434;1439074186;ag3nt_zer0;yeah thats why I just got so disgusted with that side of things and those types of people
1231435;1439074193;trinque;see: me listening to "satanic" metal at 14
1231436;1439074226;funkenstein_;http://s171.photobucket.com/user/sisdecadence/media/subgenius_big.jpg.html
1231437;1439074228;assbot;subgenius_big.jpg Photo by sisdecadence | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyuHn1 )
1231438;1439074255;ag3nt_zer0;because for me the message was poignant and had a virile, solar, maculine type of force to it... just as much as it had the feminine nurturing aspects...
1231439;1439074332;ag3nt_zer0;funkenstein: hehe that old bag... RAW and co... fun stuff
1231440;1439074389;ag3nt_zer0;remember prometheus rising?
1231441;1439074406;funkenstein_;i don' t think so?
1231442;1439074428;ag3nt_zer0;i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
1231443;1439074435;funkenstein_;you recommend it?
1231444;1439074447;ag3nt_zer0;which was not one of the proposed outcomes... which was perfect for the message
1231445;1439074453;ag3nt_zer0;hmmmm
1231446;1439074456;ag3nt_zer0;i usd to
1231447;1439074461;ag3nt_zer0;depends on where someone is
1231448;1439074492;ag3nt_zer0;now when i read some of that stuff it seems only good for a certain stage
1231449;1439074498;funkenstein_;i enjoy some trash scifi from time to time
1231450;1439074500;ag3nt_zer0;yeah sure give it  ago
1231451;1439074507;ag3nt_zer0;hmmmm
1231452;1439074514;ag3nt_zer0;well if you want fantasy/scifi
1231453;1439074518;trinque;visualize a quarter?
1231454;1439074535;ag3nt_zer0;from raw go with the illuminatis chronicles
1231455;1439074564;funkenstein_;i didn't know robert anton wilson had something to do with the subgenius
1231456;1439074568;ag3nt_zer0;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Historical_Illuminatus_Chronicles
1231457;1439074569;assbot;The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyvjcm )
1231458;1439074581;ag3nt_zer0;the earth will shake... the first one... i had a great time reading
1231459;1439074592;ag3nt_zer0;2nd, ok, 3rd, meh
1231460;1439074624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00061889 = 16.741 BTC [+] {4} 
1231461;1439074633;ag3nt_zer0;funkenstein: yeah maybe i am mistaken but i recall that he penned the principia discordia
1231462;1439074649;ag3nt_zer0;or was somehow affiliated with that whole scene
1231463;1439074746;trinque;forgive me, but I see a lot of this stuff as a sort of post-christian wankfest
1231464;1439074754;ag3nt_zer0;prometheus rising is described as an operaters manual for the human brain and is a syncretism of learys 8 circuit brain model , korzybski's langugae theories, quantum gobbldygook, and other brain change shit
1231465;1439074791;funkenstein_;"Rev. Ivan Stang originally planned on suing the authors for plagiarizing content from the Book of the SubGenius, but then realized that Principia Discordia had been written several decades earlier and that the Book of the SubGenius had technically plagiarized Principia Discordia"
1231466;1439074805;shinohai;@ trinque anything post-christian is ok wid me
1231467;1439074813;trinque;I am particuarly skeptical of simple models of consciousness
1231468;1439074829;funkenstein_;trinque, ones that fit in head?
1231469;1439074846;trinque;heh, yes
1231470;1439074847;shinohai;We live in a simulation. I suspect mircea_popescu is funding it.
1231471;1439074877;shinohai;*kek*
1231472;1439074973;ag3nt_zer0;ok gonna go hack my monkey at the piano... good afternoon
1231473;1439074990;trinque;later
1231474;1439074998;funkenstein_;cheers
1231475;1439075003;trinque;funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself?
1231476;1439075019;trinque;sure I could say in some particular context you could model an aspect of my behavior
1231477;1439075164;trinque;you can reach different conclusions here, I think
1231478;1439075208;trinque;the one that makes sense to me is that having an identity is distinct from saying you have a model of your own consciousness
1231479;1439075219;trinque;whereas I hear people try to link the two all the time
1231480;1439075259;funkenstein_;interesting, consciousness as identity.  does every thread have a label?
1231481;1439075318;trinque;explain the question?
1231482;1439075394;funkenstein_;making the analogy to silicon computer terminology, processes have labels - identities if you will
1231483;1439075440;trinque;ah
1231484;1439075446;trinque;at least in my case, certainly not
1231485;1439075507;trinque;it would seem that human beings have much more going on mentally than they're aware
1231486;1439075530;mod6;<+hanbot> re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html (patch)? << Hi, in the case of that patch email, the SHA1 sum is embedded in the file name.  For example: asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch  -- if you were to download this patch, you could then run `sha1sum asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch` and it sh
1231487;1439075531;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYgY )
1231488;1439075532;funkenstein_;it is interesting how studying computer science gives insights into our own heads
1231489;1439075579;mod6;If that's what you mean.  So in this case, SHA1 instead of SHA256, unless that's not what you were referring to.
1231490;1439075599;mod6;<shinohai> funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind << ok thanks for the update
1231491;1439075646;trinque;funkenstein_: makes sense to me that this would be useful for a brain
1231492;1439075670;trinque;you go along absorbing knowledge, but don't always have time for conscious thought to intervene before action is taken
1231493;1439075751;funkenstein_;absolutely.  trinque have you read the carlos castenada series?  some great vocabulary introduced to discuss consciousness
1231494;1439075779;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231116 <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach
1231495;1439075779;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 17:34:56; phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long
1231496;1439075792;trinque;funkenstein_: I have; entertaining, though yet again, I question any claims around having a system for consciousness
1231497;1439075846;funkenstein_;one does not need a full manual to learn to tweek a few nobs I hope? :D
1231498;1439075872;trinque;sure, his notion of 'seeing' for example
1231499;1439075877;trinque;same thing a guy's trying to accomplish in zazen
1231500;1439075891;trinque;or whipping himself with rope, or whatever
1231501;1439075905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00061905 = 12.0715 BTC [+]
1231502;1439075925;trinque;which is a level of discipline over one's focus
1231503;1439075952;funkenstein_;1st attention, 2nd attention..  shift the assembly point
1231504;1439075968;funkenstein_;zazen is new to me
1231505;1439076035;trinque;the art of sitting... uncomfortably
1231506;1439076080;funkenstein_;lol
1231507;1439076115;funkenstein_;off for now laters --
1231508;1439076246;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231260 <<< harden the fuck up, people gotta eat ya know!
1231509;1439076246;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 21:14:44; mats: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6U77vWR4ZOe1XYEY this is gruesome
1231510;1439076315;cazalla;how does one humanely kill a whale anyway? it's already outta the water, just get it over and done with and saw that baby up
1231511;1439076426;trinque;thing was probably dead pretty quick from blood loss after being sawed in half
1231512;1439076434;trinque;and probably already not doing great due to lack of oxygen
1231513;1439076454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00061905 = 9.781 BTC [+]
1231514;1439076470;shinohai;cazalla: you sneak up behind it and give it whale tranquilizer and whisper "Shh .. It'll all be over soon."
1231515;1439076526;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECtHHQjCqg
1231516;1439076528;assbot;Cruel Nature: Lions eating their prey while it is still alive! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyynFx )
1231517;1439076554;trinque;I'd rather get sawed in half
1231518;1439076645;cazalla;this is probably the best/worst one i've seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpuFoid8J_Q
1231519;1439076646;assbot;Pregnant wildebeest attacked by two hyenas! Real Wildlife! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyyvVr )
1231520;1439076672;trinque;see? abortion is natural
1231521;1439076711;shinohai;LOLZ
1231522;1439076711;mats;I've never had shark before
1231523;1439076713;trinque;damn that's gnarly
1231524;1439076728;mats;bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger
1231525;1439076942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19741 @ 0.00060763 = 11.9952 BTC [-] {4} 
1231526;1439077186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37068 @ 0.00060764 = 22.524 BTC [+]
1231527;1439077308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63460 @ 0.00061715 = 39.1643 BTC [+] {4} 
1231528;1439077369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33223 @ 0.00060521 = 20.1069 BTC [-] {4} 
1231529;1439077942;ben_vulpes;<ag3nt_zer0> well thats what i meant about the political naivity naivte, you mean
1231530;1439078123;ben_vulpes;<trinque> funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? << "to simulate a universe, you must have a universe"
1231531;1439078162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.00061937 = 29.0794 BTC [+] {4} 
1231532;1439078394;cazalla; Ethereum down -74.25 % today, much investment!
1231533;1439078467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31606 @ 0.00062007 = 19.5979 BTC [+] {3} 
1231534;1439078667;ben_vulpes;;;later tell wywialm how does the gpg system integrate with the browser application?
1231535;1439078668;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1231536;1439078678;ben_vulpes;users derp their keys into localstorage?
1231537;1439078688;ben_vulpes;asks users to sign blobs?
1231538;1439078834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00062008 = 4.7746 BTC [+]
1231539;1439079077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18526 @ 0.00060445 = 11.198 BTC [-] {3} 
1231540;1439080663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00061817 = 10.2616 BTC [+]
1231541;1439082188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1926 @ 0.00060445 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2} 
1231542;1439082447;ag3nt_zer0;ben_vulpes yes naiveté thanks ... i'll have to tell you my spelling bee story later heh
1231543;1439082493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14237 @ 0.00059543 = 8.4771 BTC [-]
1231544;1439083175;phf;ben_vulpes: so it looks from the log like it's still picking up bullet from somewhere. i updated the repo, so now there's an explicit --without-bullet in the script, if you do brew update and rerun. i tested it by installing bullet and then doing a cs build
1231545;1439083212;phf;come to think of it i should probably test that it fails without the flag but with bullet present. i'll spin that up now..
1231546;1439083556;phf;ben_vulpes: wait, can you please check your log bundle. i'm getting diff identical folders from the first one i get and the updated one
1231547;1439083594;ben_vulpes;myessir
1231548;1439083711;ben_vulpes;33ff9cc085cfca6fa92443a0a17ef3dd7fe54765b6886b936d8955446f85a63e85298f79cd189345ebb54622084c5c414b68aba260e61c1ef22abebd8ed3ca82 << 512 of the recent logs
1231549;1439083717;ben_vulpes;phf:
1231550;1439083761;ben_vulpes;which does *not* match the one currently on my site.
1231551;1439083767;phf;aye
1231552;1439083771;ben_vulpes;aha, yes, i know precisely how i hosed this
1231553;1439083785;ben_vulpes;updated!
1231554;1439083832;ben_vulpes;achtung, spielr
1231555;1439083835;ben_vulpes;spieler*
1231556;1439083862;phf;ben_vulpes: it's missing cs-debug.log
1231557;1439084080;ben_vulpes;ofc it is
1231558;1439084156;ben_vulpes;try again, apologies, thank you
1231559;1439084461;ben_vulpes;http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-july-2015-statement/#comment-114990 << what is a BTCiii ?
1231560;1439084462;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqOrPA )
1231561;1439084689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00059543 = 9.3036 BTC [-] {2} 
1231562;1439085177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00059578 = 3.6938 BTC [+]
1231563;1439085237;phf;ok, bunch of annoyances, but all look like 1 point issues.
1231564;1439085238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11913 @ 0.00060096 = 7.1592 BTC [+] {3} 
1231565;1439085787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00059411 = 17.9421 BTC [-] {4} 
1231566;1439086153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00060847 = 21.7224 BTC [+] {3} 
1231567;1439086702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00061367 = 8.0391 BTC [+] {5} 
1231568;1439087578;asciilifeform;meanwhile,
1231569;1439087584;asciilifeform;al schwartz woke up
1231570;1439087593;asciilifeform;fella checks his mail once a month..
1231571;1439088121;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231228 << congrats mod6 !
1231572;1439088121;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 19:37:33; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully.
1231573;1439088166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00059519 = 18.6294 BTC [-] {3} 
1231574;1439088177;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231334 << this is still sop. nobody cancelled it any more than anyone cancelled gravity.
1231575;1439088177;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 22:01:36; mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat.
1231576;1439088710;asciilifeform;http://www.fastcodesign.com/3032911/kidnapping-death-pizza-how-dominos-lost-its-mascot << archaeological lulz
1231577;1439088711;assbot;Death And Pizza: How Domino's Lost Its Mascot | Co.Design | business + design ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEnPUR )
1231578;1439089081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00059226 = 17.4124 BTC [-] {5} 
1231579;1439089847;scoopbot_revived;An Ivy League degree wasn't always a Louis Vuitton purse. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/an-ivy-league-degree-wasnt-always-a-louis-vuitton-purse/
1231580;1439089874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00062007 = 4.6505 BTC [+] {5} 
1231581;1439089974;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya
1231582;1439089976;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND )
1231583;1439089976;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1231584;1439090011;pete_dushenski;^on debian 7
1231585;1439090048;pete_dushenski;looks like zlib problems
1231586;1439090060;pete_dushenski;but i'm not a doctor.
1231587;1439090066;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what the hell did you build, and on what
1231588;1439090115;asciilifeform;1) therealbitcoin does not use zlib 2) therealbitcoin does not use dl*
1231589;1439090118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00062007 = 10.9752 BTC [+] {2} 
1231590;1439090137;pete_dushenski;well that's interesting
1231591;1439090144;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: post your makefile plz
1231592;1439090150;asciilifeform;and your buildscript
1231593;1439090207;pete_dushenski;seriously all i did was install os and follow steps outlined in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html
1231594;1439090208;assbot;[BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : TestersNeeded! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm )
1231595;1439090226;phf;ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo
1231596;1439090226;phf;re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord.
1231597;1439090305;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i wrote rotor for a reason
1231598;1439090311;asciilifeform;the reason being that this is a waste of life
1231599;1439090319;asciilifeform;yes, i could sit down and debug this
1231600;1439090340;asciilifeform;but seven other people will come and each one will bring seven idiocies from his local os
1231601;1439090361;asciilifeform;and each of those will need seven workarounds to be forced with red hot irons to behave in FUCKING STANDARD WAY
1231602;1439090409;asciilifeform;rotor differs in that it is enough for you to find ~one~ box where it can be made to go
1231603;1439090415;asciilifeform;and use that binary for the rest of your life if you like.
1231604;1439090447;asciilifeform;i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.
1231605;1439090517;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me
1231606;1439090527;pete_dushenski;they're not far off, mind
1231607;1439090543;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: if you're up to it, try building, i'll walk you through it while i'm awake
1231608;1439090596;pete_dushenski;ok, lemme reinstall os and start fresh
1231609;1439090603;asciilifeform;no need to reinstall os
1231610;1439090607;asciilifeform;pick just about any linux box
1231611;1439090612;asciilifeform;and go from there
1231612;1439090623;pete_dushenski;oh ok
1231613;1439090623;asciilifeform;if you can get a bash prompt, you oughta get a working build.
1231614;1439090640;asciilifeform;start the recipe and prod me when you hit a stumble.
1231615;1439090651;pete_dushenski;k
1231616;1439090911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00062007 = 13.7346 BTC [+] {3} 
1231617;1439090972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00061517 = 5.9364 BTC [-]
1231618;1439091049;mod6;hi pete_dushenski
1231619;1439091065;mod6;Let me dig something up for you here quick.
1231620;1439091176;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3T9YGXC.txt
1231621;1439091177;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbgRDZ )
1231622;1439091210;asciilifeform;apt-get install -y libboost-python-dev
1231623;1439091210;asciilifeform;apt-get install -y libbz2-dev
1231624;1439091210;asciilifeform;apt-get install -y zlib1g-dev
1231625;1439091213;asciilifeform;^ for fucks sake
1231626;1439091215;asciilifeform;why?
1231627;1439091223;asciilifeform;neither stator nor rotor needs these!
1231628;1439091238;asciilifeform;HAVING THEM ON YOUR BOX IS USELESS AT BEST!
1231629;1439091240;mod6;Right, should be trying to bulid the Rotor, really.
1231630;1439091269;asciilifeform;stator doesn't need them either !
1231631;1439091296;asciilifeform;if your stator did not build before but builds after running the above, IT IS NOT STATIC !!!
1231632;1439091311;mod6;However, I have seen that on Ubuntu & Debian if you build boost without libboost-python-dev boost will complain -- it will still compile, but it'll complain.  it complains less with the python errors if it has that and the libbost-python-dev dependentcies installed.
1231633;1439091331;asciilifeform;^ you are using CRUD FROM OUTSIDE THE STATIC BALL
1231634;1439091339;asciilifeform;defeating the very purpose of stator.
1231635;1439091357;asciilifeform;introducing local turdlets over which you have no meaningful control.
1231636;1439091360;mod6;er
1231637;1439091363;mod6;yeah.
1231638;1439091370;mod6;im mis remembering that from v0.5.3.1
1231639;1439091371;asciilifeform;why even bother then.
1231640;1439091419;mod6;pete_dushenski: don't bother with the testing for TEST2 (or anyone else), just work for now on building rotor.
1231641;1439091441;pete_dushenski;okilee dokilee :)
1231642;1439091444;mod6;I appreciate you trying to build it.
1231643;1439091471;asciilifeform;i also appreciated. how else would we have learned that i am the last one alive with a sane linux install, for instance.
1231644;1439091494;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MS56NLGqxU
1231645;1439091495;assbot;Okily Dokily - Simpsons You Only Move Twice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kbh9eb )
1231646;1439091621;mod6;I can not wait until we get past all of this.
1231647;1439091704;pete_dushenski;hehe i'm having fun !
1231648;1439091714;pete_dushenski;being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all
1231649;1439091733;pete_dushenski;every day a new maze, then... cheese !
1231650;1439091754;*;asciilifeform still wonders what that 'cheese' thing would smell like
1231651;1439091796;ag3nt_zer0;phf: hahaha was that really in the INVISIBLES?
1231652;1439091823;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: napalm perhaps.
1231653;1439091825;ag3nt_zer0;shit about wilson and all that?
1231654;1439091832;mod6;asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next.
1231655;1439091853;asciilifeform;mod6: i think you already have this ?
1231656;1439091859;asciilifeform;(rotor takes a stator)
1231657;1439091881;ag3nt_zer0;I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha
1231658;1439091891;mod6;yeah.  but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything.
1231659;1439091908;asciilifeform;my rotor bundle doesn't come with a stator at all
1231660;1439091913;asciilifeform;it has to be supplied by the operator
1231661;1439091919;mod6;so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit.
1231662;1439091922;ag3nt_zer0;i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha
1231663;1439091926;mod6;right
1231664;1439091937;mod6;it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today.
1231665;1439091980;mod6;was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor.  and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable.
1231666;1439092005;pete_dushenski;bbiab
1231667;1439092012;mod6;do you think we should even bother with block dump/eat, -verify all?
1231668;1439092023;asciilifeform;mod6: i regard them as useful
1231669;1439092024;mod6;(in a "release")
1231670;1439092033;asciilifeform;mod6: esp. for standing up nodes
1231671;1439092041;asciilifeform;but also for debugging wedge states
1231672;1439092045;asciilifeform;and generally.
1231673;1439092050;mod6;so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?
1231674;1439092054;asciilifeform;also it is possible to hash a blockchain using dumpblock
1231675;1439092065;asciilifeform;(see ml for example of me doing so for a chain loaded from mircea_popescu)
1231676;1439092075;mod6;yup, i recall.
1231677;1439092076;asciilifeform;not a waste by any means.
1231678;1439092099;ag3nt_zer0;phf: still lolzing haha thx fnord! fucking california haha
1231679;1439092101;asciilifeform;i personally regard these as important knobs and their absence from the original bitcoin as an atrocity
1231680;1439092109;mod6;ok.  that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor.
1231681;1439092147;mod6;once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64
1231682;1439092184;mod6;make sense?
1231683;1439092192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00060043 = 5.0736 BTC [-]
1231684;1439092193;asciilifeform;aha
1231685;1439092196;mod6;:]
1231686;1439092205;mod6;was nice to see rotor build cleanly today btw.
1231687;1439092218;asciilifeform;didja have to use trinque's patch ?
1231688;1439092221;mod6;yeah
1231689;1439092235;asciilifeform;oughta be part of the official ball then
1231690;1439092253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00060043 = 1.0207 BTC [-]
1231691;1439092278;mod6;was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings.  didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message.
1231692;1439092321;mod6;yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML.  can help or do it for him if required, etc.
1231693;1439092329;mod6;no giant rush tho.
1231694;1439092337;phf;ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff
1231695;1439092419;ag3nt_zer0;it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender
1231696;1439092611;ag3nt_zer0;phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that...
1231697;1439092861;phf;i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about
1231698;1439092861;phf; the appocalypse. the details are a bit hazy
1231699;1439092930;phf;*that i could not
1231700;1439093006;ag3nt_zer0;yeah... you ever look into the jack parsons/crowley/hubbard threesome?
1231701;1439093020;ag3nt_zer0;pretty weird considering what hubbard went on to do
1231702;1439093029;ag3nt_zer0;in Kali haha
1231703;1439093070;phf;i'm sure hubbard just lifted whatever he could from his time at the agape lodge
1231704;1439093227;phf;parsons is quite a character, there's a nice writeup about him and the whole crowley/hubbard connection in "apocalypse culture"
1231705;1439093461;phf;though i'm not sure how much i want to put to public record on this subject. i made some interesting friends when i moved to this country, unfortunately this whole culture seemed to have died out. even when i was enjoying it, it was mostly archival work
1231706;1439094083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00059781 = 1.4049 BTC [-]
1231707;1439094937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00059124 = 17.7076 BTC [-] {3} 
1231708;1439094986;hanbot;!up n6
1231709;1439094994;hanbot;n6: get in the wot, don't pester people via pm, and forget about any braindamaged notions of "lobbying MP" you've cooked up for yourself.
1231710;1439095465;mircea_popescu;!up onlooker
1231711;1439095466;mircea_popescu;ohai
1231712;1439095605;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2B96D2881D975EFBAD0E79F513301149BFE8AB719467DE0151E839547CA99AC << l0l
1231713;1439095612;mircea_popescu;trinque actually trump has been rich for a while.
1231714;1439095650;onlooker;hi there, would you like to share your thoughts on copyright? I've only come across your writings today and found them most entertaining.
1231715;1439095666;mircea_popescu;iirc lost it all in a dubious las vegas casinos transaction with fucking merv griffin.
1231716;1439095678;mircea_popescu;onlooker it's complicated.
1231717;1439095692;trinque;mircea_popescu: one thing occured to me this evening re: trump. he's telling the other people running to their faces that he's bought and paid for all of them in the past.
1231718;1439095694;trinque;I love that.
1231719;1439095705;trinque;mod6: putting that email together
1231720;1439095727;n6;hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one.
1231721;1439095742;onlooker;lol, well thats no surprise, governments specialize in making simple things complicated
1231722;1439095744;mircea_popescu;it's not really true. man's no rockerfeller. son of a middling queens landlord is all.
1231723;1439095827;asciilifeform;i don't see how it 'is complicated' at all. folks who wanna be paid when i copy a number, get a raging hardon for the state (tm) (r) when it makes noises of promise to make it happen
1231724;1439095879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ever been privy to something on the understanding you won't be sharing it ?
1231725;1439095890;asciilifeform;sure
1231726;1439095900;mircea_popescu;do you propose to do away with the POSSIBLITY of that understanding ?
1231727;1439095916;asciilifeform;nah. just object to this kind of thing happening in a consumer setting
1231728;1439095922;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, then... it's complicated.
1231729;1439095939;asciilifeform;where the negotiating leverage on one side of the table is nil
1231730;1439095942;mircea_popescu;as usual, consumers have no business in any of the places they stuff themselve.s
1231731;1439095958;onlooker;I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright
1231732;1439095964;hanbot;n6 alright, so then make that your top priority.
1231733;1439095973;asciilifeform;when i buy a piece of shit from a street merchant i ain't taking no oath.
1231734;1439095980;asciilifeform;he wants oath, can fuck himself
1231735;1439095983;mircea_popescu;that's between you two.
1231736;1439095985;mircea_popescu;so then...
1231737;1439095994;asciilifeform;'click-through oath!!!'
1231738;1439096011;onlooker;if you fail to keep a secret they you have two choices, you can blame yourself for not keeping it well, or you can blame me and try to enforce copyright
1231739;1439096013;mircea_popescu;don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have.
1231740;1439096029;asciilifeform;except i didn't
1231741;1439096053;mircea_popescu;then i don't need to have an oppinion on it.
1231742;1439096060;n6;hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now.
1231743;1439096060;asciilifeform;well somebody mentioned 'copyright'
1231744;1439096078;asciilifeform;which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number
1231745;1439096104;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231425 << jesus definitely was a socialist. something something all people something.
1231746;1439096104;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
1231747;1439096145;onlooker;mircea popescu, you don't need to have an opinion about the color of you shit either lol...
1231748;1439096156;mircea_popescu;there's a trilema article about that, actually.
1231749;1439096157;asciilifeform;'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere
1231750;1439096167;asciilifeform;*an oath
1231751;1439096174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform supposedly it wasn't on the sidewalk.
1231752;1439096196;asciilifeform;?
1231753;1439096212;n6;trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?
1231754;1439096223;mircea_popescu;consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?
1231755;1439096228;asciilifeform;n6: nope
1231756;1439096251;mircea_popescu;i ain't saying that.
1231757;1439096258;trinque;n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really
1231758;1439096261;trinque;not done yet, let ya know
1231759;1439096269;trinque;mod6: sent
1231760;1439096275;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella'
1231761;1439096288;mircea_popescu;still his movie.
1231762;1439096289;asciilifeform;he can beg on the streets if he wants.
1231763;1439096300;mircea_popescu;he'll probably go to syria and smuggle arms.
1231764;1439096304;asciilifeform;good.
1231765;1439096307;asciilifeform;syria needs arms.
1231766;1439096317;mircea_popescu;so you're gonna pick careers for tarantino now ?
1231767;1439096320;mircea_popescu;awful lot of work.
1231768;1439096323;asciilifeform;he can do honest work, like this, instead of trying to monkey with my bits.
1231769;1439096326;mircea_popescu;i thought we were aiming to avoid makework.
1231770;1439096332;asciilifeform;(yes, the bits are ~mine~, they are on my disk)
1231771;1439096378;asciilifeform;keeping fella's hands out of my arse != 'choosing careers for'
1231772;1439096392;mircea_popescu;(ftr, the arms smuggle thing did happen. almost quite to syria. for 10 points, name the famous french poet who did this in his teens)
1231773;1439096412;asciilifeform;french?
1231774;1439096414;onlooker;I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think
1231775;1439096419;asciilifeform;'cause my first thought was byron
1231776;1439096419;n6;trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc?
1231777;1439096422;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1231778;1439096425;mircea_popescu;nah, byron was a poseur.
1231779;1439096448;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelated, when did anyone suddenly open a kindergarten in here ?
1231780;1439096459;asciilifeform;i must've missed it
1231781;1439096461;onlooker;*as something the elitests use..."
1231782;1439096488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think it always was half that.
1231783;1439096509;mircea_popescu;onlooker i'm quite famously elitist.
1231784;1439096528;asciilifeform;n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system
1231785;1439096538;asciilifeform;n6: you will have to think and study on your own for a while.
1231786;1439096559;asciilifeform;n6: trying to get hand-fed through this gnarly and unpleasant process will be frustrating both to you and to others
1231787;1439096586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00059114 = 5.5863 BTC [-] {2} 
1231788;1439096596;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem he knows how this self study thing works, hm ?
1231789;1439096596;n6;asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry
1231790;1439096609;n6;mircea_popescu: how can you self study if you don't even know what to look for?
1231791;1439096623;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1231792;1439096635;asciilifeform;n6: please consider reading kernighan and pike's 'the unix programming environment'
1231793;1439096643;asciilifeform;just to get a feel of what it is like
1231794;1439096652;asciilifeform;write, build some simple programs
1231795;1439096687;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231442 << it might be that you don't know what an experiment actually is.
1231796;1439096687;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
1231797;1439096688;n6;asciilifeform: Ok
1231798;1439096690;asciilifeform;(this is a thin book, 1980s, inexpensive)
1231799;1439096693;mircea_popescu;but it's not just a "hey, something to try out"
1231800;1439096700;onlooker;mircea popescu, yes, but you appear to be of the more logical bent than the standard elitist. Take for example your claim the paying for good things is how we get good things, this may be logical, but in fact the way the world currently works stealing good things has proven to be far more effective, Bankers are elitist too, would you put yourself in the same category as them?
1231801;1439096705;phf;rimbaud naturally
1231802;1439096738;mircea_popescu;onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".
1231803;1439096745;mircea_popescu;phf win.
1231804;1439096768;mircea_popescu;the argument re stealing is actually ancient. it was articulated by the pillars of roman thought, of all people.
1231805;1439096778;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... not as simple as all that.
1231806;1439096830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13844 @ 0.00059866 = 8.2878 BTC [+] {3} 
1231807;1439096890;mircea_popescu;jesus wtf happened to this log.
1231808;1439096895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm getting flashbacks now of my number theory lecture, where we had that gurl
1231809;1439096904;asciilifeform;BUT PROF HOW DO YOU DO IT
1231810;1439096932;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761497 << that one
1231811;1439096932;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
1231812;1439096989;mircea_popescu;eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.
1231813;1439097013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00058978 = 15.8651 BTC [-] {2} 
1231814;1439097047;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say
1231815;1439097050;asciilifeform;like rhinoceros
1231816;1439097076;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students.
1231817;1439097085;mircea_popescu;it soothes a psyche an' brings balance.
1231818;1439097097;mod6;trinque: thanks!
1231819;1439097196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00058914 = 7.9534 BTC [-]
1231820;1439097198;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231494 << this is actually a great fucking point. buncha immature twerps acting out their life like they're in some sort of movie.
1231821;1439097198;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 23:16:19; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231116 <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach
1231822;1439097208;onlooker;mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new
1231823;1439097211;mircea_popescu;in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care.
1231824;1439097238;mircea_popescu;onlooker copyright does not refer to inventions.
1231825;1439097254;onlooker;at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some
1231826;1439097269;asciilifeform;wai wut ?!
1231827;1439097286;*;asciilifeform perhaps lacks the lsd to follow this thread
1231828;1439097298;mircea_popescu;which of the i dunno, three or so
1231829;1439097311;asciilifeform;the 'bitcoin gives voice'
1231830;1439097324;mircea_popescu;lol irony
1231831;1439097326;mircea_popescu;!up onlooker
1231832;1439097335;mircea_popescu;well, it gives voice to someone somewhere i'm sure.
1231833;1439097344;asciilifeform;the 'gurl with 1000 beta' is pretty clear, though it is a case of '1,2,3,infinity'
1231834;1439097353;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1231835;1439097359;asciilifeform;consider a circa-1990s email box
1231836;1439097375;asciilifeform;it is a thing that barely exists outside of the chore of shoveling spamola
1231837;1439097393;asciilifeform;('98, let's say specifically)
1231838;1439097401;mod6;trinque: sig verifies & patch applies cleanly.  thx again.
1231839;1439097411;trinque;np
1231840;1439097421;onlooker;mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas
1231841;1439097430;mircea_popescu;when did knuth give it up, 86 ?
1231842;1439097456;asciilifeform;'89 iirc but not related to spam
1231843;1439097463;asciilifeform;just to the chore of interacting with people
1231844;1439097484;mircea_popescu;onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s.
1231845;1439097517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you perceive a difference there ?
1231846;1439097532;onlooker;askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours
1231847;1439097543;mircea_popescu;o.O
1231848;1439097554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: between the chore of shoveling '98 spam and the chore of answering mail from other maths folks ?
1231849;1439097576;asciilifeform;yes, difference. (though i appreciate knuth's choice)
1231850;1439097578;mircea_popescu;what is it ? lower bar for one group ?
1231851;1439097590;asciilifeform;one is people and the other is cockroaches
1231852;1439097617;asciilifeform;both 'kingdom animalia', sure
1231853;1439097621;mircea_popescu;mebbe not to knuth. but anyway
1231854;1439097643;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231524 << i had it as sushi. kinda sour.
1231855;1439097643;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 23:32:08; mats: bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger
1231856;1439097676;onlooker;it only distinguishes correct data from incorrect
1231857;1439097690;asciilifeform;onlooker: 'math' as this mythological 'sword in the stone' that 'anyone!!!111!!' can just pick up and use, is unfortunately a fiction
1231858;1439097692;mircea_popescu;onlooker how are the poor getting correct data iyo ?
1231859;1439097700;asciilifeform;^
1231860;1439097759;mircea_popescu;especially with no copyright. they just get cut out of the loop entirely.
1231861;1439097780;mircea_popescu;me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.
1231862;1439097800;asciilifeform;onlooker: consider, for instance, the predicament of somebody trying to correctly implement plain old rsa algo.
1231863;1439097807;asciilifeform;if you think that you can do it from a textbook, think again.
1231864;1439097810;mircea_popescu;to everyone's benefit, this, of course. but anyway.
1231865;1439097821;asciilifeform;and rsa is ~much~ simpler than, e.g., bitcoin.
1231866;1439097844;asciilifeform;yet virtually anyone who has ever done it, had to saw open six different existing incarnations and study
1231867;1439097858;mircea_popescu;what textbooks ? there are no textbooks because why sell shit for 10 dollars
1231868;1439097867;asciilifeform;and ~still~ had even chances of blowing own head off
1231869;1439097919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'textbooks' in this case being - once you reject the outright drivel and pediwikia printouts - dour and very terse, encyclopaedic overview of the basic maths, typically
1231870;1439097937;mircea_popescu;which strictly exists because of the whole IP convention.
1231871;1439097946;onlooker;I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account
1231872;1439097990;asciilifeform;onlooker: 'participate' ?!!!
1231873;1439098000;asciilifeform;what, precisely, is ^that^ good for ?!
1231874;1439098006;mircea_popescu;apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
1231875;1439098007;assbot;Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IANg6N )
1231876;1439098026;asciilifeform;onlooker: there's a fella who's been sitting in front of the u.s. 'white house' since 1982.
1231877;1439098031;asciilifeform;he is 'participating' in politics ?
1231878;1439098043;onlooker;who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that
1231879;1439098070;asciilifeform;pray tell, how
1231880;1439098079;mircea_popescu;turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits.
1231881;1439098110;mircea_popescu;onlooker under 15 what, yo ?!
1231882;1439098126;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could've sworn this was in the logz
1231883;1439098152;mircea_popescu;if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs.
1231884;1439098176;asciilifeform;except that it was done by the darlings of the lizards
1231885;1439098176;onlooker;mircea popescu, ask yourself this, would bitcoin work without copyright, if the answer is yes, then it's not a requirement for ideas to be shared while keeping an ownership record
1231886;1439098192;asciilifeform;'what, my dog ate your baby? fuck your baby'
1231887;1439098233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00058852 = 19.7154 BTC [-] {3} 
1231888;1439098247;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231861 << this is doomed to come back at any rate. i.e. how mozart et al played.
1231889;1439098247;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 05:23:00; mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.
1231890;1439098263;mircea_popescu;onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else.
1231891;1439098266;asciilifeform;for all i know, this happened already long ago
1231892;1439098288;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu and the 4 other mircea_popescus are watching the good shit, while from my perch it looks like the entire western culture went poof
1231893;1439098352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape.
1231894;1439098364;mircea_popescu;the unfuckable jersey wearing 30something set, too.
1231895;1439098392;mircea_popescu;and i didn't even charge them for the copyright.
1231896;1439098398;asciilifeform;surprised they paid attention!
1231897;1439098406;onlooker;let me try another angle, would bitcoin work if it wasn't copyrighted? And if the answer is yes, does it follow that this means we can share ideas while keeping a record of who owns what without requiring this antiquated legal system?
1231898;1439098410;mircea_popescu;prolly won't happen again.
1231899;1439098416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00060437 = 11.9363 BTC [+] {3} 
1231900;1439098424;asciilifeform;i can sit in a restaurant in dc with pet and loudly consider 'let's bring back hitler and make him 300 metres tall and feed him prime jew rib' and no one notices
1231901;1439098431;mircea_popescu;onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated.
1231902;1439098443;mircea_popescu;there's articles about this on trilema, you'll get to them in due time.
1231903;1439098459;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform words do not speak as loudly as actions!
1231904;1439098466;asciilifeform;the sensory bubbles in which u.s. folk walk around in at public places are astonishingly fine
1231905;1439098467;onlooker;so you don't think copyright, patent's or the legal system are antiquated?
1231906;1439098495;trinque;read the logs, guy.
1231907;1439098516;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is, you gotta contend with the fact that to many folks, 'copyright' ~means~ britney and microshit
1231908;1439098518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mayhap you have the upper hand with that yeah
1231909;1439098526;asciilifeform;we aren't getting mozart for the bargain, no
1231910;1439098532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say.
1231911;1439098549;asciilifeform;if it were mozart - i would see the other perspective, yes
1231912;1439098561;mircea_popescu;the horse's still not slow just because all these donkeys
1231913;1439098580;asciilifeform;never seen the horse with own eyes, and don't expect to live to.
1231914;1439098622;*;mircea_popescu remembers in horror the one and only boston symphonic orchestra session he went to
1231915;1439098635;asciilifeform;what was wrong with it?
1231916;1439098638;mircea_popescu;fucking twerps.
1231917;1439098650;asciilifeform;american symphonics are on par with the rest of third world
1231918;1439098650;mircea_popescu;they played some modern shit. fucking insult to civilisation.
1231919;1439098653;asciilifeform;ugh
1231920;1439098677;asciilifeform;i'll have you know that at my university they play (on symphonic orchestra, yes!).... 'super mario.'
1231921;1439098684;asciilifeform;(and other related)
1231922;1439098847;asciilifeform;obligatory:
1231923;1439098848;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DvCZ5HjbhI
1231924;1439098849;assbot;Futurama -  Classical Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MURcp0 )
1231925;1439098849;onlooker;I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap
1231926;1439098905;asciilifeform;onlooker: log.bitcoin-assets.com
1231927;1439098913;asciilifeform;onlooker: yearz of ideaz, 100% gratis
1231928;1439098929;asciilifeform;your local university library, too
1231929;1439098940;asciilifeform;or did you have something else in mind.
1231930;1439099066;onlooker;ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol
1231931;1439099084;asciilifeform;onlooker: i for one would like to know what you had in mind
1231932;1439099105;asciilifeform;i.e. what sort of ideas do you suppose are hidden from you by copyrasty
1231933;1439099134;mats;lol
1231934;1439099138;mircea_popescu;onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you.
1231935;1439099148;mircea_popescu;without copyrights, intellectual ghetto is a certainty.
1231936;1439099153;asciilifeform;!up onlooker
1231937;1439099158;mircea_popescu;with copyrights, intellectual ghetto is merely an unfortunate side effect.
1231938;1439099190;asciilifeform;intellectual ghetto cuts both ways.
1231939;1439099195;mircea_popescu;so they say.
1231940;1439099197;asciilifeform;(see the adelberger thread)
1231941;1439099288;onlooker;asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end.
1231942;1439099308;mircea_popescu;in any case, there's no rescuing the poor (and it's a morally dubious proposition to even try). let instead those of the poor that are there undeservedly claw their way out. over many generations of belaboured effort, ideally.
1231943;1439099313;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1231944;1439099317;phf;^
1231945;1439099359;mats;wat, homeopathic medicine
1231946;1439099360;mircea_popescu;wait. someone seriously imagines they're missing something by not reading random homeopatic tracts ?
1231947;1439099367;onlooker;because despite excellent job adults have done conditioning young people to be slaves, there are some who just won't submit
1231948;1439099370;mircea_popescu;when hiring a psychic, always hire the cheapest.
1231949;1439099387;mircea_popescu;uh.
1231950;1439099390;asciilifeform;where's that 'sanity dogma' piece by mircea_popescu
1231951;1439099390;mircea_popescu;how old are you onlooker ?
1231952;1439099392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00058512 = 13.6333 BTC [-] {3} 
1231953;1439099433;onlooker;mircea popescu they will only be the cheapest if you stop asking lol
1231954;1439099555;onlooker;old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha
1231955;1439099581;onlooker;why do you ask? I'm 40 ish
1231956;1439099622;mircea_popescu;well because for a moment the slave thing and a previous comment sort-of made it look possible that you were 15
1231957;1439099823;onlooker;mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not
1231958;1439099838;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231604 << because it was there first and thus was heard of first and thus etc.
1231959;1439099838;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 03:20:47; asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.
1231960;1439099877;mircea_popescu;onlooker nah, the pendulum is swinging the other way. the poor had it way better than anyone would have expected, after the ww2 carnage. it is going away, it is perhaps never coming back to this degree.
1231961;1439099899;onlooker;I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that
1231962;1439099900;mircea_popescu;expect a millenium of actual slavery for the plebs and not be disappointed by the events.
1231963;1439099908;asciilifeform;'enjoy this dildo, but it has some splinters.' 'mmm, good, but oww' 'here's one with no splinters, laquered' '..... ow'
1231964;1439099989;mircea_popescu;you know what's also fascinating in the same vein asciilifeform ? not everyone's courting the most beautiful girl in town! in a frictionless infospace they would! nevertheless...
1231965;1439100006;asciilifeform;except that this 'gurl' can be in everyone's bed
1231966;1439100012;asciilifeform;just for the asking.
1231967;1439100046;mircea_popescu;like any other.
1231968;1439100052;asciilifeform;mno.
1231969;1439100059;asciilifeform;'any other' only works like this if you're mircea_popescu
1231970;1439100062;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised.
1231971;1439100063;mircea_popescu;lol
1231972;1439100078;onlooker;I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that
1231973;1439100080;mircea_popescu;srsly, you need what, 15 minutes of her time tops ? she's got the whole day.
1231974;1439100102;mircea_popescu;onlooker how did you get the idea homeopathy does something, anyway ?
1231975;1439100102;asciilifeform;'srsly, how hard to build reactor! dig some shit out of the ground, rearrange it a bit'
1231976;1439100145;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231648 < depends in whose maze.
1231977;1439100145;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 03:41:54; pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all
1231978;1439100195;pete_dushenski;well, stan's maze then.
1231979;1439100205;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231673 < they are useful.
1231980;1439100205;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 03:47:30; mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?
1231981;1439100281;onlooker;mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect
1231982;1439100336;mircea_popescu;i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work.
1231983;1439100356;mircea_popescu;this idea seems to be borne by your talk of vast arrays ?
1231984;1439100367;onlooker;mirciea popescu, now your making fun of me lol
1231985;1439100403;ben_vulpes;just you?
1231986;1439100417;onlooker;perhaps I should have made it more vague and said "alternative medicine"
1231987;1439100473;mircea_popescu;i was actually earnest. but anyway, yes, say alternative medicine, get fewer people in wtf state.
1231988;1439100511;ben_vulpes;<pete_dushenski> ;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya << that's the whole log?
1231989;1439100513;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND )
1231990;1439100573;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: clearly not. just the end parts
1231991;1439100580;ben_vulpes;<phf> re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell
1231992;1439100639;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers?
1231993;1439100668;ben_vulpes;unless you're apple and can forcibly cram your changes down the world's throat, you have to wait for the world to catch up to your releases.
1231994;1439100685;onlooker;Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :)
1231995;1439100700;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the funny part isn't that folks didn't go straight there, but that 'here is a pill against your headaches from last month+.' '.....'
1231996;1439100708;trinque;lots of people were wrongly recognized as all kinds of things in the past.
1231997;1439100727;trinque;onlooker: ^
1231998;1439100735;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and what happened with that db locks patch of yours
1231999;1439100742;ben_vulpes;those patches
1232000;1439100750;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day.
1232001;1439100753;ben_vulpes;!down onlooker
1232002;1439100757;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: folks who were reading the fucking log, had zero problems.
1232003;1439100758;ben_vulpes;i'm here for ten minutes
1232004;1439100774;ben_vulpes;patches and submissions to the ml must stand on their own.
1232005;1439100778;mircea_popescu;we should be in a syncronised swimming team ben_vulpes
1232006;1439100788;ben_vulpes;log is not adequate documentation.
1232007;1439100804;asciilifeform;folks who somehow thought that the ml has meaning outside of #b-a, and happened to show up and read ml in precisely the wrong three minutes - may have scratched their head in frustration
1232008;1439100818;asciilifeform;and had to patch again, rebuild.
1232009;1439100831;ben_vulpes;"corrected" with no further context is useless.
1232010;1439100833;ben_vulpes;USELESS.
1232011;1439100842;ben_vulpes;why was previous broken?
1232012;1439100847;ben_vulpes;why is current fixed?
1232013;1439100856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25673 @ 0.00058481 = 15.0138 BTC [-] {5} 
1232014;1439100876;asciilifeform;since ben_vulpes is unhappy with this pattern, the next time ~every~ therealbitcoin node grinds to a halt on account of some shitgnomery, i won't be staying up at 3am releasing a patch.
1232015;1439100884;asciilifeform;will let ben_vulpes do it.
1232016;1439100925;ben_vulpes;eh relax
1232017;1439100942;asciilifeform;srsly context was in the log. and the first time anybody asked, i linked to it.
1232018;1439100978;asciilifeform;i would dearly love to write a lengthy treatise to the ml on every single occasion
1232019;1439100993;asciilifeform;but sadly i work in uranium mine and - not so much time, energy.
1232020;1439101016;asciilifeform;incidentally there is nothing shameful in writing a commentary to another fella's patch
1232021;1439101032;ben_vulpes;somewhere between s.nsa poems and zilc h in email body is some utility i'm sure
1232022;1439101053;ben_vulpes;oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry
1232023;1439101133;ben_vulpes;anyways, do you insist on refusing to see the hysteresis in the system?
1232024;1439101137;pete_dushenski;!up Guest96371
1232025;1439101148;pete_dushenski;hey adam
1232026;1439101153;Guest96371;Mr D how goes it?
1232027;1439101176;pete_dushenski;just cracking away at 'rotor' over here. any you ?
1232028;1439101202;phf;ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9
1232029;1439101213;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the point i was trying to get across is that we are nowhere near a point where folks who are not #b-a regulars can really get into the true meat of the matter
1232030;1439101222;asciilifeform;and pretending otherwise would, imho, be counterproductive
1232031;1439101230;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config'
1232032;1439101241;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it is in the tarball
1232033;1439101246;Guest96371;Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say!
1232034;1439101269;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150727/rotor_4c86b82236ebc4926a6ace8fb8310f37b948c8f1.tar.gz << it
1232035;1439101270;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUUbhn )
1232036;1439101284;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ah k
1232037;1439101309;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no arguments there.
1232038;1439101363;ben_vulpes;but patches *must stand alone*
1232039;1439101366;asciilifeform;for the eulora folks, i will point out that the toolchain in 'rotor' could just as easily build their thing
1232040;1439101370;asciilifeform;if there was some reason to.
1232041;1439101409;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the patches produced with antecedent marks (see earlier thread) could, hypothetically, stand alone.
1232042;1439101424;ben_vulpes;don't confuse the issue.
1232043;1439101426;asciilifeform;one would, if lacking any other guidance, take 'longest chain'
1232044;1439101449;pete_dushenski;Guest96371: there was some pretty decent conversation earlier today, mostly between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu about chip fabrication and game theory. start here maybe http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230072
1232045;1439101449;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit.
1232046;1439101497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interesting how it comes to mining
1232047;1439101499;mircea_popescu;all things.
1232048;1439101505;mircea_popescu;all things come home.
1232049;1439101509;asciilifeform;no shit.
1232050;1439101514;asciilifeform;'lead to rome'
1232051;1439101517;ben_vulpes;aight my ten are up
1232052;1439101570;ben_vulpes;do forgive my frustrated prodding, asciilifeform.
1232053;1439101575;pete_dushenski;Guest96371: and if you also feel like giving 'rotor' (static linux and bitcoin build) a crack : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html
1232054;1439101576;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )
1232055;1439101588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.0005837 = 18.0071 BTC [-] {2} 
1232056;1439101616;ben_vulpes;bwaha
1232057;1439101627;ben_vulpes;phf: Error: No such file or directory - getcwd
1232058;1439101632;phf;heheh
1232059;1439101659;ben_vulpes;brew install getcwd fails too
1232060;1439101662;ben_vulpes;wth
1232061;1439101665;ben_vulpes;everything is broken
1232062;1439101671;ben_vulpes;i can't compile anyone's code
1232063;1439101677;ben_vulpes;clearly i don't understand how the world werkz
1232064;1439101701;*;asciilifeform to bed
1232065;1439101715;pete_dushenski;bon soir
1232066;1439101722;*;ben_vulpes to good old fashioned entertainment with girl
1232067;1439101735;phf;i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether
1232068;1439101764;Guest96371;Thanks pete_dushenski I'll have a look :)
1232069;1439101825;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231871 <<< what is with (i assume) americans and no banking under 18? one of the first things we did at school was open a junior saver account whereby each friday the local banker rep would come by to collect our bank books and our $2 deposit each week, every week, each year without fail
1232070;1439101825;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 05:25:46; onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account
1232071;1439101827;pete_dushenski;Guest96371: btw where's your pgp key this fine evening ? y'know you can auth and self-voice with assbot eh
1232072;1439101871;Guest96371;I did, but I was just checking in. I'm heading offline now!
1232073;1439101912;pete_dushenski;mkay
1232074;1439102442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00058126 = 5.8707 BTC [-]
1232075;1439102947;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2D45S3S.txt << still tripping up on rotor step 9
1232076;1439102949;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1goqK9G )
1232077;1439102974;pete_dushenski;i'm probably doing something hilariously wrong, however.
1232078;1439103546;pete_dushenski;ok, turns out i needed 'ncurses'. got that now.
1232079;1439103554;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-09/australians-paying-thousands-after-ransomware-virus-infection/6683618 "The deputy chairwoman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Delia Rickard, said over the past two months there had been a spike in the number of people falling victim to the scam. " "The commission has received 2,500 complaints this year and estimates about $400,000 has been paid to the hackers." fucking australians
1232080;1439103555;assbot;Ransomware virus: Australians forced to pay as latest encryption virus is 'unbreakable', security expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hr8BZD )
1232081;1439103555;cazalla;eh
1232082;1439103591;mircea_popescu;so funny that they collect all this data
1232083;1439103596;mircea_popescu;to have what to pay for.
1232084;1439103600;mircea_popescu;total cuckold, the govt.
1232085;1439103778;pete_dushenski;;;later tell asciilifeform with 'ncurses' installed, i went back to the buildroot dir, tried to 'make' and ended up with 'error 127' http://dpaste.com/0YZX5Y0.txt
1232086;1439103779;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gosrUs )
1232087;1439103779;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1232088;1439103797;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231754 << copying, as in I downloaded a torrent and watched it?
1232089;1439103797;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 04:57:03; mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?
1232090;1439103906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24852 @ 0.00058952 = 14.6508 BTC [+]
1232091;1439104007;pete_dushenski;;;later tell asciilifeform the only other modification i made was choosing 'target architecture : x86_64' in the config menu.
1232092;1439104007;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1232093;1439104242;*;pete_dushenski wonders if it matters that 'builtroot' has 'configs', 'Config.in', 'Config.in.legacy', and stan's 'config' file. seems like a lot of configs, but what does he know ?
1232094;1439104673;punkman;pete_dushenski: did you install rsync?
1232095;1439104685;pete_dushenski;mnope
1232096;1439104890;pete_dushenski;!s locale
1232097;1439104892;assbot;52 results for 'locale' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=locale
1232098;1439104904;punkman;fukken locales, I hate them
1232099;1439104943;pete_dushenski;just installed 'unzip' and 'bc', now "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales "
1232100;1439105038;punkman;pete_dushenski: perhaps locale-gen will help
1232101;1439105049;punkman;(or set them manually)
1232102;1439105096;pete_dushenski;weird, i tried 'locale-gen' and it came back with 'generation complete', then threw the same error when i tried to 'make' again
1232103;1439105110;punkman;for future testers http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/systemd/chapter07/locale.html
1232104;1439105111;assbot;7.7. Configuring the System Locale ... ( http://bit.ly/1hra3eu )
1232105;1439105912;pete_dushenski;sweet baby moses i set the locales and the thing's off to the races !!!1
1232106;1439106298;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/08/07/donald-trump-and-jon-stewart-arent-so-different-after-all/
1232107;1439106299;assbot;Donald Trump and Jon Stewart aren’t so different after all ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrbhq5 )
1232108;1439106320;pete_dushenski;"Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."
1232109;1439106407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00058395 = 19.7959 BTC [-]
1232110;1439107237;*;pete_dushenski just noticed asciilifeform's 'if you are having locale issues' note on 'rotor' buildsheet
1232111;1439108045;punkman;pete_dushenski: consider this "gcc, toolchain, etc. will LOAD FROM THE NET!" since you seem to be running it as root
1232112;1439108227;pete_dushenski;hm now it's tell me it can't cd to bitcoin/bitcoin/src and i'm running out of steam this evening.
1232113;1439108234;pete_dushenski;last chunk of logs looks like so : http://dpaste.com/2CTV83N.txt
1232114;1439108236;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEUutx )
1232115;1439108248;pete_dushenski;for whatever use that may be.
1232116;1439108248;punkman;do you have realpath?
1232117;1439108264;pete_dushenski;yup
1232118;1439108273;punkman;jsut making sure :P
1232119;1439108285;pete_dushenski;reasonable q !
1232120;1439108295;punkman;open rotor.sh, look at the filepaths
1232121;1439108324;pete_dushenski;i'm about as n00bing as they come around here and i still feel like i'm shockingly, wonderfully close to making rotor work
1232122;1439108410;punkman;just gotta change line 49 "cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;" to something that works
1232123;1439108431;punkman;and you can run rotor_bitcoin_only.sh now
1232124;1439108542;punkman;although there's that gcc failure on bzip, might be a problem
1232125;1439108611;pete_dushenski;punkman: what would be 'something that works' for line 49 of rotor.sh ?
1232126;1439108638;punkman;pete_dushenski: absolute path would probably work
1232127;1439108862;punkman;(if you use bitcoin_only.sh gotta change it there too)
1232128;1439108942;pete_dushenski;i think this project can wait to be continued tomorrow.
1232129;1439108961;pete_dushenski;thanks punkman, your help is much appreciated.
1232130;1439108970;pete_dushenski;g'nite !
1232131;1439109030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12659 @ 0.00059078 = 7.4787 BTC [+] {3} 
1232132;1439109037;punkman;why is it looking for bzip? it's supposed to be toggled by "./bjam toolset=gcc link=static -sNO_BZIP2=1 -sNO_ZLIB=1 -sNO_COMPRESSION=1;"
1232133;1439109396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00060104 = 14.1845 BTC [+] {3} 
1232134;1439110982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00060525 = 17.5825 BTC [+] {4} 
1232135;1439112934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00060652 = 4.1547 BTC [+] {3} 
1232136;1439113483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15262 @ 0.00059402 = 9.0659 BTC [-] {2} 
1232137;1439113544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27338 @ 0.00058744 = 16.0594 BTC [-]
1232138;1439114693;wywialm;hi
1232139;1439114771;chetty;hola
1232140;1439114787;wywialm;ben_vulpes, the application is currently a standalone python app, not a web browser app. We are working on a convenient in-browser app that would work with PGP
1232141;1439115130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00058625 = 4.5141 BTC [-] {3} 
1232142;1439115445;punkman;wywialm: are you planning to use openpgp.js?
1232143;1439115537;wywialm;considering it, but sane in-browser pgp is not straightforward
1232144;1439115843;punkman;just say no
1232145;1439115958;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231118 < lolk
1232146;1439115958;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 17:36:20; phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian
1232147;1439116691;wywialm;punkman, is there something that i should be aware of in case of openpgp.js? is it flawed?
1232148;1439116716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00060692 = 21.2119 BTC [+] {3} 
1232149;1439116776;punkman;wywialm: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974719
1232150;1439116776;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 19:56:48; punkman: PSA: openpgpjs is broken
1232151;1439116845;wywialm;thanks for the info, could you point to more details?
1232152;1439116891;punkman;well dunno might appear to be working now, but I've tried validation openpgp.js signatures from 3 people and all failed
1232153;1439116898;punkman;*validating
1232154;1439117036;shinohai;Javascript cryptography is a big no-no anyway
1232155;1439117218;wywialm;well, this is one of reasons we now have only a desktop app
1232156;1439117334;shinohai;;;ticker
1232157;1439117335;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.26, Best ask: 264.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.26, 24 hour volume: 44712.31461482, 24 hour low: 260.62, 24 hour high: 278.35, 24 hour vwap: None
1232158;1439117720;shinohai;http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/     <<< top kek
1232159;1439117721;assbot;Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )
1232160;1439117801;punkman;Available Supply 60,393,161    Total Supply 72,294,645 ETH
1232161;1439117805;punkman;it's all for sale :P
1232162;1439118414;shinohai;If you want to be an Ethereum god, nows yer chance.
1232163;1439118444;punkman;http://banxcapital.com/
1232164;1439118447;assbot;Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares | Banx Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1PexYcz )
1232165;1439118449;punkman;lulzy
1232166;1439118609;kakobrekla;http://banxcapital.com/about/ (see ceo pic) http://www.onlineprofitpartner.com/special/
1232167;1439118613;assbot;Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares | Banx Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peyasf )
1232168;1439118615;assbot;Online Profit Partner ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeyaIz )
1232169;1439118615;shinohai;lol ... "Your ticket to the moon"
1232170;1439118653;shinohai;Sound like just another MLM scam to me.
1232171;1439118800;shinohai;Ethereum, now with pyramid schemes: http://pastebin.com/AGDsJL6j
1232172;1439118800;assbot;These are the first ever verifiable pyramid schemes with provably known rules!  - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeykzF )
1232173;1439118846;kakobrekla;backed by the govt.
1232174;1439118851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8245 @ 0.00058635 = 4.8345 BTC [-]
1232175;1439119217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00058602 = 13.6836 BTC [-] {3} 
1232176;1439120359;shinohai;http://samouraiwallet.com/   heh
1232177;1439120360;assbot;Samourai Bitcoin Wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PezwTE )
1232178;1439120381;shinohai;imma request alpha access to see if I can break it.
1232179;1439121047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13632 @ 0.00060738 = 8.2798 BTC [+]
1232180;1439121596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.13187112 = 1.3187 BTC [+] {4} 
1232181;1439122145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56994 @ 0.00058583 = 33.3888 BTC [-] {7} 
1232182;1439122999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00058973 = 10.6446 BTC [+] {2} 
1232183;1439123487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16307 @ 0.00058974 = 9.6169 BTC [+]
1232184;1439125226;punkman;http://marklyford.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Lyford-Company-Tree-25-June-2015.jpg
1232185;1439125228;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbNGR8 )
1232186;1439128245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00059975 = 1.8292 BTC [+] {2} 
1232187;1439128319;mircea_popescu;chetty : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231874 here is your argument, in all its hideous nude glory. and it goes like so :
1232188;1439128319;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 05:26:46; mircea_popescu: apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
1232189;1439128352;mircea_popescu;some people, for reasons nobody really grasps in spite of trying for millenia (yes, it's a thing since forever) and in spite of having maybe some decent theories, want to fuck twelve year olds.
1232190;1439128412;mircea_popescu;the white people who want this generally sit around the internet "being cypherpunks" and exchanging... depictions of the act. and often enough being "caught" and "prosecuted", on the very untenable rationale that their engagement in the victimless "crime" of exchanging bits somehow promotes and empowers the actual people doing the actual crime of you know, raping preteens.
1232191;1439128455;mircea_popescu;we don't really know what the paki people who want this do, chiefly because we don't want to. but if we do : in pakistan, they go right the fuck ahead and rape the lot. and in rotherdam, england, they do the exact same.
1232192;1439128513;mircea_popescu;this is the whole thing. what'd you tell a guy who wants to rape twelve year olds ? that it's bad ? he did not ask you that. and you can tell him to you know, wait around on social media untill the cute teenie across the street douses herself in gasoline and invites him over.
1232193;1439128578;mircea_popescu;the alternative, where he texts a chick "hey, we got our sister, we're torturing her, come join" just as the chick in question was giving testimony to the supposed government of the uk - a more illegitimate contrivance never having been known to man, incidentally, they have all the legitimacy to govern kim jong il's favourite dog does.
1232194;1439128581;mircea_popescu;and she does. SHE DOES.
1232195;1439128619;mircea_popescu;offered the simple choice of A. stick with the alleged representatives of the schmucks that trade pictures of your rape and jack off in "online anonymity" and joining the raping party, she chooses to join the raping party.
1232196;1439128658;mircea_popescu;that's the discussion. there is not now, nor was ever, nor will ever be invented a manner, stratagem or device to circumvent activity, or to make the passive on par with the active.
1232197;1439128733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5231 @ 0.00059976 = 3.1373 BTC [+]
1232198;1439129026;mircea_popescu;the entire fancy with western society and emancipation and freedom and have you rests on the reserve, no matter how muted, that "it's either this or we rape you". it needs to sit there like the nuclear option needs to sit on the table, for once it goes away, twelve fucking year olds choose, of their own fucking free will, to join the pakis for an all night / all weekend / all the years to come anal stretching, caned bu
1232199;1439129026;mircea_popescu;ttocks and generally bloodied existence. that's how her choice plays out, and in her age and in her anonimity i believe she stands representative.
1232200;1439129071;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the fucking ~times~ has to do its own investigation because the reps of the crown are completely lost in their pipe dreams to the point they're covering themselves in the mud of publicly ridicule eagery and with both hands.
1232201;1439129093;mircea_popescu;the fucking township in question has to pay independent experts to come and inquire, because it's fucking 1600 iowa over there in rotherdam.
1232202;1439129108;mircea_popescu;and the sheriff never made it yet to the territory.
1232203;1439129160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00058403 = 18.2801 BTC [-] {3} 
1232204;1439129282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22576 @ 0.00059976 = 13.5402 BTC [+]
1232205;1439129336;mircea_popescu;how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?
1232206;1439129380;mircea_popescu;seems odd. if you want it, that legitimacy and that position, boys and girls, this is what you do. and that you don't do it is why people, such as myself, mostly point and laugh at your untenable pretenses of "regulating" bitcoin or online whatever.
1232207;1439129467;mircea_popescu;i'm sure "the commerce clause" allows one to invade and try rotherdam just as well as it allows one to put the silkroad derp in prison and try miloshevich. why the fuck not, after all.
1232208;1439129892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00060047 = 22.998 BTC [+] {3} 
1232209;1439130048;mircea_popescu;and in all this rests a lesson for practical everyday use, too. if you are actually man enough to let your girl know you'll beat the shit out of her if need be, which you generally won't even need to do after an initial stage of infantile testing of the theory as proposed, she'll be the most loving, loyal and internally happy woman that she could ever be.
1232210;1439130049;mircea_popescu;whereas if you do not, she ~might~, maybe, manage to maintain superior brain function control over the rest of herself, and be some sort of a first approximation of the above. maybe. or maybe she won't, and go seek to be assuaged in the arms of other men, more inclined to provide the need - for it is a need. the surogates may work or not, but generally dont, and you'll know about it because if she thinks you're enough
1232211;1439130049;mircea_popescu;of a girlfriend of hers rather than a man she'll tell you.
1232212;1439130067;mircea_popescu;how's that for a "basics of relationships" guide.
1232213;1439130197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16177 @ 0.00060674 = 9.8152 BTC [+]
1232214;1439130563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00060722 = 7.2563 BTC [+]
1232215;1439130584;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232067 << an do what ? gardening and child rearing ?
1232216;1439130584;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 06:28:55; phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether
1232217;1439130821;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232108 << i never watched any of the first or much of the second, but it is painfully obvious even from five minutes no matter how chosen that the principal function of the stewart twerp is exactly the same thing as with that other one what's his face.
1232218;1439130821;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 07:45:20; pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."
1232219;1439130823;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ < this one.
1232220;1439130824;assbot;"Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9xolV )
1232221;1439130848;mircea_popescu;in fact im pretty sure he's just doing a stewart repackaging, but with more "support the government!" spam in it.
1232222;1439131050;mircea_popescu;kindergarten keepers in costume, basically.
1232223;1439131051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00060722 = 16.0913 BTC [+]
1232224;1439131059;mircea_popescu;because what do the kiddies watching know.
1232225;1439131234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17082 @ 0.00060767 = 10.3802 BTC [+] {3} 
1232226;1439131280;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232173 << sad, but true. imbeciles.
1232227;1439131280;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 11:14:06; kakobrekla: backed by the govt.
1232228;1439131325;mircea_popescu;because yeah, doubling down against mp ever fucking worked. so maryland uni really wants to "win" at internets, right ? digs itself deeper, alf thinks hey, they're home free. i say it won't last, he says nothing ever lasts, we're at a standoff.
1232229;1439131396;mats;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/09/us-teslamotors-cash-insight-idUSKCN0QE0DC20150809
1232230;1439131397;assbot;Insight: Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9znXm )
1232231;1439131432;mircea_popescu;doh.
1232232;1439131593;kakobrekla;how is 4k anything
1232233;1439131603;kakobrekla;how much the car costs 100k?
1232234;1439131660;mircea_popescu;so what's the idea, "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?
1232235;1439131689;mircea_popescu;if a car costs more to make than it retails for, it costs more to make than it should by about 50%. you think volksvagen spends 20k to make a car they sell for 30 ? they don't.
1232236;1439131689;kakobrekla;the question is whats the point of not charging 104k instead 100k
1232237;1439131697;mircea_popescu;ah
1232238;1439131711;mircea_popescu;i would guess their costs balooned unexpectedly after they had the marketing discussion and fixed a price point
1232239;1439131717;mircea_popescu;and were stuck and didn't know hjow to fix it.
1232240;1439131722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30073 @ 0.00060803 = 18.2853 BTC [+] {3} 
1232241;1439131736;kakobrekla;ah maybe.
1232242;1439131739;punkman;you mean Tesla can't find a dozen stupid things to upsell?
1232243;1439131758;mircea_popescu;their "home battery" thing isn't catching on.
1232244;1439131775;mircea_popescu;which is suppose is technically better than it catching fire, but this is only from the pov of anyone but tesla.
1232245;1439131905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.0006062 = 11.3056 BTC [-] {4} 
1232246;1439132237;shinohai;But they have a nifty snake-like auto charger now!
1232247;1439132280;*;mircea_popescu remembers the days last decade when apple was making money by including a two inch cable for chargers  and selling a normal length one.
1232248;1439132305;mircea_popescu;somehow the crappleheads took deliberate bugs for features throughout the lifetime of that scam.
1232249;1439133003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00061408 = 14.1588 BTC [+]
1232250;1439133007;kakobrekla;dont they still do approx the same
1232251;1439133028;mircea_popescu;i confess i've not been following. maybe.
1232252;1439133029;kakobrekla;50 bux cable with proprietary connector
1232253;1439133051;kakobrekla;the good thing is chinese dont give a fuck and copy it for a buck, but it works only for a week, if.
1232254;1439133076;mircea_popescu;yet.
1232255;1439133084;mircea_popescu;that's how they started, i recall the shit they proudly made in the 80s
1232256;1439133094;mircea_popescu;"made in china" lol, was like... "found by dumpster"
1232257;1439133192;asciilifeform;danielpbarron et al: herr fare has a new site, http://ngnghm.github.io
1232258;1439133193;assbot;Houyhnhnm Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9FUl2 )
1232259;1439133207;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/dTV6PWv.webm   <<< Brasil is where IT'S AT!
1232260;1439133208;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9FWcx )
1232261;1439133277;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232205 << mircea_popescu knows exactly why.
1232262;1439133277;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 14:08:56; mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?
1232263;1439133300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mircea_popescu doesn't give a shit about that.
1232264;1439133307;asciilifeform;the pakis are a designated imported predator, as per 'yi yi zhi yi' algo. they are doing their job.
1232265;1439133309;mircea_popescu;i'm not in the business of understandingly strangling the enemy.
1232266;1439133331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform poor pakis.
1232267;1439133334;asciilifeform;(yes, the pakis are enforcers for usg.)
1232268;1439133368;mircea_popescu;at least the turks just massacred the armenians. what their allies the anglos did in east india...
1232269;1439133371;mircea_popescu;"i have sinned"
1232270;1439133409;asciilifeform;think, without pakis, how much less air compressor for the real estate bubble in paki-free zones
1232271;1439133452;asciilifeform;the more rapy, from this perspective, the more effective.
1232272;1439133455;mircea_popescu;and how many women sexually frustrated.
1232273;1439133480;asciilifeform;same algo was successfully used in usa
1232274;1439133481;mircea_popescu;i think by now it takes about a dozen englishmen to screw in the lightbulb so to speak.
1232275;1439133488;chetty;well zeros new urban planning thing will fix it so no more paki free zones
1232276;1439133491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00061668 = 27.2573 BTC [+] {6} 
1232277;1439133493;asciilifeform;british usg colonial lapdogs merely copied.
1232278;1439133539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imagine for a second if you will, how utterly it must suck to be one of the paki betas. which yes, all groups have in the same proportion everywhere, and what's more
1232279;1439133551;mircea_popescu;immigrants are selected for beta, always. because fuck, alpha's not leaving.
1232280;1439133589;mircea_popescu;"your job is to X and i don't recall asking if you were rather equipped for Y mr. whatsyourname!"
1232281;1439133604;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i must point out that this is only applicable to agricultural tribes. chechens and other migratories - not so! alpha leaves. raiding party.
1232282;1439133627;mircea_popescu;a people that was principally known for excewllent house servants a century ago is now suddenly and magically turned into this mythological black beast of southern yore ?
1232283;1439133640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mebbe.
1232284;1439133701;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, the number of black dudes inadequate about their penis ("it's only six and a half inches!!!") far exceedes the number of white dudes so worried (its like four dude.)
1232285;1439133703;asciilifeform;now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'
1232286;1439133712;mircea_popescu;which percent-wise is "vast majority" sorta thing
1232287;1439133745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you are aware i was discussing the formal, not the substantial reality, rite?
1232288;1439133844;asciilifeform;aha.
1232289;1439133855;asciilifeform;but doesn't hurt to illustrate the substantial a bit.
1232290;1439133894;mircea_popescu;in other lulz of today, "genocide of white race - all white women fuck black guys, white genes are recessive, future will be all black babies!!1"
1232291;1439133916;mircea_popescu;derps never went to fucking school already. here's a little secret : the DEFINITION of a recessive gene is "the gene which never dies out"
1232292;1439133946;mircea_popescu;that's the thing. why we still have hemophilia in spite of it not being desirable : dominant genes manifest by themselves, and thus you can't have unharmed carriers, and thus they die out under pressure.
1232293;1439133962;mircea_popescu;recessive genes do not manifest by themselves, thus you can have unaffected carriers. thus they never die out.
1232294;1439133987;mircea_popescu;and yes even today black couples have blue eyed, blond haired babies. it happens.
1232295;1439134075;*;mircea_popescu idly imagines what nazi germany'd have been like if instead of extermination camps, they just had laws that made jewish women go around naked and always say yes to cock.
1232296;1439134104;mircea_popescu;if the traditional hussiness of the jewish young woman's any indication...
1232297;1439134112;mircea_popescu;thousand year reich fo sho.
1232298;1439134392;asciilifeform;http://fare.tunes.org/computing/reclaim_your_computer.html << turns out fare has some decent material
1232299;1439134393;assbot;Who Controls Your Computer? (And How to make sure it's you) ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9KkIA )
1232300;1439134399;asciilifeform;from back when.
1232301;1439134423;asciilifeform;or hm, undated
1232302;1439134504;asciilifeform;hmm^2, definitely borrows material from us, rather than vice-versa.
1232303;1439134518;asciilifeform;unattributed.
1232304;1439134543;mircea_popescu;"1.1.4 The buck stops with you"
1232305;1439134552;mircea_popescu;not bad, but also a show stopper.
1232306;1439134711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00062008 = 7.906 BTC [+]
1232307;1439134755;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/bd2de1675743ceef8e270f91abcd9a99/tumblr_nnjacww45d1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg << like the first good one.
1232308;1439134756;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9LV13 )
1232309;1439134833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00060559 = 14.0497 BTC [-]
1232310;1439135051;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 5.1.3 is lulzy
1232311;1439135068;asciilifeform;(2,3)
1232312;1439135321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00062014 = 14.6353 BTC [+] {2} 
1232313;1439135443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9304 @ 0.00060687 = 5.6463 BTC [-]
1232314;1439135489;*;mircea_popescu reloads the page
1232315;1439135517;mircea_popescu;"5.1.3 The Ultimate Stake Let me stress what is ultimately at stake: Liberty itself. In this race between human farmers and free humans, there are only two possible end games: in the end, either we extirpate farming, by exterminating any would-be farmer, or they turn humans into cattle, and extirpate any free will by exterminating free men."
1232316;1439135525;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder why is thinking so difficult anyway.
1232317;1439135553;asciilifeform;not that 'thinking is hard,' but that pulling one's cock is easy
1232318;1439135559;mircea_popescu;there is only one possible end game, and that is a thermodynamic constraint. otherwise, what fucking end game. some people will be slaves and some people will be stuck with the broadly unappealing job of herding them.
1232319;1439135582;mircea_popescu;i guess you're right.
1232320;1439135594;mircea_popescu;anwyay, /me lacks the patience for that page.
1232321;1439135598;asciilifeform;in a farm process, there are three animals, rather than two
1232322;1439135609;asciilifeform;not only farmer and cow,
1232323;1439135612;asciilifeform;but also milk-drinker
1232324;1439135618;mircea_popescu;only recently.
1232325;1439135622;asciilifeform;aha
1232326;1439135646;mircea_popescu;but i mean things more dunfamental. like. "liberty itself is at stake".
1232327;1439135664;mircea_popescu;obviously you took no programming, or otherwise you'd know you can't possibly dereference ...  THE CONCEPT OF REFERENCE.
1232328;1439135669;mircea_popescu;motherfucker.
1232329;1439135709;asciilifeform;that page is a valuable anthropologic resource, though. fella clearly has been lurking here for years
1232330;1439135723;asciilifeform;(based on clues in other sections)
1232331;1439135736;mircea_popescu;always with this immodest wankery.
1232332;1439135753;mircea_popescu;schmucks on one side of the twitter debate are "saving the environment" while schmucks at the other side are "liberty is at stake!!!"
1232333;1439135755;mircea_popescu;as fucking if.
1232334;1439135776;asciilifeform;symptom of the basic difficulty of escaping 'enemy with outposts in your head'
1232335;1439135783;mircea_popescu;check it out yo, if you keep farting you might end good digestion itself!!1
1232336;1439135818;mircea_popescu;"there used to be such a thing as intestinal transit. sadly that ended one day some dude from paris, wisconsin didn't wipe his ass properly."
1232337;1439135870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00062146 = 33.4967 BTC [+] {2} 
1232338;1439136141;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/08/karbala-ew-keysight.htm << mega-l0l
1232339;1439136143;assbot;Karbala EW Attacks Keysight ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9RpJ7 )
1232340;1439136345;mircea_popescu;cynthia_johnson@agilent.com
1232341;1439136348;mircea_popescu;lol poor woman.
1232342;1439136373;mircea_popescu;"we are observing the scene and waiting . you are not anonymous . expect us ." << notice a change ?
1232343;1439136420;asciilifeform;nah
1232344;1439136430;asciilifeform;same spiel since... '10 ?
1232345;1439136437;mircea_popescu;no. it was "we are legion. expect us."
1232346;1439136544;asciilifeform;big phat difference ?
1232347;1439136562;mircea_popescu;major differences. fucking plural.
1232348;1439136567;asciilifeform;still waiting for the interesting seekretz
1232349;1439136601;mircea_popescu;how about you date some agilent women then ?
1232350;1439136627;mircea_popescu;that's your opening, srsly. "hey, I got your email off the cryptome leak thing. wanna go for a cup of coffee ?"
1232351;1439136672;asciilifeform;i doubt very much that there are women in 'compartments'
1232352;1439136695;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "you doubt very much there is water in the crust".
1232353;1439136699;asciilifeform;eh no.
1232354;1439136700;mircea_popescu;ever heard of fracking ?
1232355;1439136730;asciilifeform;example of interesting seekrit: 'magic packet that turns an intel nic to arbitrary-dma whatever into/out of ram'
1232356;1439136764;mircea_popescu;so what are you waiting for. go get it! your list's there.
1232357;1439136772;asciilifeform;the general rule is that an item like this is known to 3 people: the fella who ordered it; the fella who implemented it; and the fella in charge of shooting either or both if they talk
1232358;1439136784;mircea_popescu;and the women.
1232359;1439136819;asciilifeform;nah those know, respectively, 'mine signs paper,' 'mine diddles code,' 'mine shoots'
1232360;1439136832;mircea_popescu;the woman dude. not the cows. the women.
1232361;1439136847;asciilifeform;they have those in usa ?
1232362;1439136853;mircea_popescu;make some if they don't.
1232363;1439136865;asciilifeform;l0l out of what
1232364;1439136918;shinohai;BingoBoingo: make qntra piece? http://cointelegraph.com/news/115086/windows-ethereum-users-affected-by-private-key-bug
1232365;1439136919;assbot;Windows Ethereum Users Affected by Private Key Bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9Uglk )
1232366;1439136953;asciilifeform;Run Moar Winblowz!
1232367;1439137024;asciilifeform;moar lulzy from same rag, http://cointelegraph.com/news/115075/fundamentally-apolitical-bitcoin-arrives-in-cuba-amid-us-relations-thaw
1232368;1439137025;assbot;‘Fundamentally Apolitical’ Bitcoin Arrives in Cuba amid US Relations Thaw ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9UFnM )
1232369;1439137029;asciilifeform;^ man? woman? robot ?
1232370;1439137250;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-QpuXIJtM
1232371;1439137251;assbot;Hitler finds out Ethereum was dumped on the IPO - Altcoins Parody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBYBDw )
1232372;1439137413;punkman;"While setting privacy permissions on the keys directory, insufficient  error handling can cause the key files to not be written; this may be  widespread on the Windows platform. As such, current versions of  AlethZero and eth may include identities for which there exists no  underlying key."
1232373;1439137478;shinohai;This is the future of cryptocurrency .....
1232374;1439138127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59261 @ 0.00062148 = 36.8295 BTC [+] {5} 
1232375;1439138738;mircea_popescu;lollercopter.
1232376;1439138754;mircea_popescu;users that lost money, direct all inquiries for repayment to university of maryland.
1232377;1439139093;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ for details of who to contact.
1232378;1439139094;assbot;On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1O3VS )
1232379;1439139121;mircea_popescu;i'm sure they'll make you whole, but if they don't you certainly can get a lawyer and sue them personally and u of maryland for joint and serveral liability.
1232380;1439139133;mircea_popescu;and settlements for something like that start at six digits.
1232381;1439139592;shinohai;Hopefully they dumped at $3 kek
1232382;1439139758;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way it works, is that nsf (usg direct) provided truck full of money. umd is just one of the bordellos with which this heap purchased whores
1232383;1439139781;mircea_popescu;nobody ever won a war by killing the "high command".
1232384;1439139789;mircea_popescu;ima grind the soldiers on the ground into toothpaste.
1232385;1439139794;asciilifeform;go, grind.
1232386;1439139800;mircea_popescu;no need to go.
1232387;1439139820;asciilifeform;i just drove by the place. it is not only still standing but swarming with fresh chumpers
1232388;1439139836;mircea_popescu;awww.
1232389;1439139855;asciilifeform;(this is their season)
1232390;1439139860;mircea_popescu;not quite as fresh as a few years ago, and so on and on.
1232391;1439139877;asciilifeform;on the contrary, they are running out of places to put'em
1232392;1439139895;mircea_popescu;this usually connotes stale.
1232393;1439139995;asciilifeform;and i saw a curio that mircea_popescu might appreciate. the largest textbook shop was demolished and replaced with a kind of 'convenience store'. i went in, and saw that approximately 1/3 of the floor space was for menstrual products; a third - for condoms; and most of a third - for gurl phashion paraphernalia. (the small change remaining - iPnohe cabling, etc.)
1232394;1439140018;asciilifeform;by last Official count, the uni is 60-65% female.
1232395;1439140039;mircea_popescu;they actually expect to be paid for condoms ?!
1232396;1439140049;mircea_popescu;i thought those were free on campus and still nobody uses them
1232397;1439140055;asciilifeform;complicated
1232398;1439140057;asciilifeform;1) yes, free
1232399;1439140070;asciilifeform;2) no one wants to be seen as 'soviet' and using the standard phree ver.
1232400;1439140081;asciilifeform;hence - ten grades of preeemium
1232401;1439140088;mircea_popescu;i don't get this.
1232402;1439140095;mircea_popescu;wouldnt you WANT to be seen as exactly that ?
1232403;1439140122;mircea_popescu;last i heard about a third of the kids pointedly wore army surpluss stuff.
1232404;1439140138;asciilifeform;not here.
1232405;1439140157;asciilifeform;plus the phree usg condoms don't have fruit juices, built-in vibratory devices, and other nonsense
1232406;1439140179;punkman;but do they have added vitamins?
1232407;1439140201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.000607 = 16.4194 BTC [-] {2} 
1232408;1439140220;mircea_popescu;fruit juices good help us
1232409;1439140232;mircea_popescu;why not just put half an orange on the thing.
1232410;1439140237;mircea_popescu;it'll juice alright.
1232411;1439140459;ag3nt_zer0;good morning folks... please enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSTDibqXuGo&index=3&list=PL53FB98B70F61C9DB
1232412;1439140461;assbot;Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau "Ich habe genug" J.S.Bach - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1RgEO )
1232413;1439140506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28240 @ 0.00060668 = 17.1326 BTC [-] {5} 
1232414;1439140772;*;shinohai thanks ag3nt_zer0 for the fine music selection ...
1232415;1439140852;shinohai;Enjoy this view with the music: https://i.imgur.com/6CAy9Py.png
1232416;1439140853;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1S24N )
1232417;1439140994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112850 @ 0.00062227 = 70.2232 BTC [+] {3} 
1232418;1439141116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00060559 = 4.7236 BTC [-]
1232419;1439141224;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: my pleasure man... so beautiful
1232420;1439141258;shinohai;I'm a sucker for bach, and I especially love hearing Segovia play it.
1232421;1439141265;shinohai;Because, geetars man
1232422;1439141290;shinohai;!up n6
1232423;1439141291;ag3nt_zer0;you play?
1232424;1439141304;ag3nt_zer0;i have been working my segovia scales a bit haha
1232425;1439141307;shinohai;Yup, well I used to when I had time.
1232426;1439141669;n6;I hate to ask for support in here again but gave up on lsub idea and reinstalled, now I can't get wireless working at all using cli, tried setting up a conf file becuase wpa_cli woudln't connect with wpa_supplicant but that didnt work. at a loss for where to go next on my quest for a source based distro.
1232427;1439141684;n6;it works fine if i boot into live cd and put the info in
1232428;1439141722;ben_vulpes;!up Duffer1
1232429;1439141724;ben_vulpes;wb yo
1232430;1439141726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00062246 = 13.4451 BTC [+] {3} 
1232431;1439141746;ag3nt_zer0;Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is the guy who cracked open the wonder of "classical" singing to me - Before him, I liked it, but didn't really feel connected to it in the same way that I was to sonic youth and nine inch nails haha... then I saw some videos of dieskau doing Schubert lierder and I was fuckiing blasted - the dude like physically changed into the different character of the song - and the lyrical sensibility of Schu
1232432;1439141751;danielpbarron;n6, i was never able to get wifi working on my gentoo install so good luck with that
1232433;1439141752;ag3nt_zer0;it was fucking rock and roll
1232434;1439141768;ag3nt_zer0;*characters
1232435;1439141802;shinohai;ag3nt_zer0: you like neo-classical guitar too?
1232436;1439141818;ag3nt_zer0;sure I like all honest music
1232437;1439141837;shinohai;This guy is insane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSY9N_J5RUU
1232438;1439141837;assbot;(Storm Rider) Gentaro Satomura Neo-Classical Sweep Solo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1TQuy )
1232439;1439141842;ag3nt_zer0;and maybe some unabashadly dishonest that I havent been graced to hear yet
1232440;1439141874;ag3nt_zer0;*unabashedly
1232441;1439141905;ag3nt_zer0;thanks I'll have a listen :)
1232442;1439142193;trinque;n6: you may need to emerge linux-firmware; however, you're best off looking for gentoo support in #gentoo
1232443;1439142249;n6;thanks as always trinque. gonna try again after emerging firmware
1232444;1439142621;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf new logdump for ya
1232445;1439142621;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1232446;1439142641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85200 @ 0.00062295 = 53.0753 BTC [+] {4} 
1232447;1439142795;ag3nt_zer0;shinahai: yeah wow... have you ever checked out the guitarist stanley jordan (plays two guitars touch tap technique)? that guy is amazing as well... good character too - walked away from fame and shit town to do music therapy
1232448;1439142795;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1232449;1439142816;ag3nt_zer0;haha whats that?
1232450;1439142843;shinohai;Yeah Stanley Jordan is awesum
1232451;1439142908;shinohai;I even didn't hate on him for that Stairway cver.
1232452;1439142916;shinohai;*cover
1232453;1439142993;shinohai;This kid is great at tap guitar too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_dA_iFPeRw
1232454;1439142994;assbot;TETRIS THEME - ZACK KIM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1mJVq )
1232455;1439143800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00062459 = 11.9297 BTC [+] {2} 
1232456;1439144452;mircea_popescu;in other new, pervyleague http://41.media.tumblr.com/0a9640ea2d4186797493a3d96d0fd5ff/tumblr_nk4fke8iic1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg
1232457;1439144454;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1pLZP )
1232458;1439144491;ag3nt_zer0;love this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tqh6_e_X5s&list=PL352CGbOeT0nNizlUz7K1gJ1o39__xP1G
1232459;1439144492;assbot;Julian Bream - Fandanguillo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1pRkn )
1232460;1439144536;asciilifeform;error: cocks visible
1232461;1439144583;shinohai;Now it's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway #rekt
1232462;1439144640;shinohai;Also, "privilege "
1232463;1439144642;ben_vulpes;cunts are stretchy man.
1232464;1439144658;ben_vulpes;remarkable things, really.
1232465;1439144727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/SnUhZRR << remember them ?
1232466;1439144727;assbot;NearlyFreeSpeech.Net (web hosting) accepts bitcoin - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1qrP2 )
1232467;1439144759;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/iG9SVyf.jpg
1232468;1439144760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1qx9g )
1232469;1439144779;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188281 << l0l apparently old nyooz
1232470;1439144779;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 16:21:23; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..
1232471;1439146357;mod6;So Shinohai and I just got done testing my TEST2 bundle with rotor script.  We've built successfully on: Gentoo/glibc, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 6 and Debian 8 :: All x86_64
1232472;1439146424;shinohai;I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling.
1232473;1439146445;mod6;If someone wants to give it a try on x86_64 on a similar linux let me know.  I've had to install a few pre-reqs on a totally bare minimum 10.04 like: build-essentials, curl, rsync, and unzip
1232474;1439146460;asciilifeform;neato
1232475;1439146474;mod6;ah shinohai, location echo?
1232476;1439146481;asciilifeform;btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net
1232477;1439146489;asciilifeform;ditto curl
1232478;1439146493;mod6;yeah, that's after we freeze everything though right?
1232479;1439146495;asciilifeform;aha
1232480;1439146498;mod6;ok np
1232481;1439146560;mod6;;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a script for you to try on Debian 7 to build TEST2 with rotor.  You might need to install a few minor pre-reqs. I can hold your hand if required for that part.  Let me know when you have some time.
1232482;1439146560;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1232483;1439146612;mod6;asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin\/bitcoin\/src/bitcoin\/src/' rotor.sh
1232484;1439146670;asciilifeform;this suggests that the dir structure was not created correctly
1232485;1439146673;asciilifeform;in this test
1232486;1439146707;mod6;no, mine's fine.
1232487;1439146714;mod6;its just the way that jurov demands that it works.
1232488;1439146724;asciilifeform;wai wut
1232489;1439146728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83802 @ 0.00062553 = 52.4207 BTC [+] {3} 
1232490;1439146753;mod6;remember when jurov was mad at me because i put everything underneath of v0_5_3_1/ instead of just being what it was.
1232491;1439146770;asciilifeform;ah hm
1232492;1439146774;mod6;so now it extracts and it's just bitcoin/src
1232493;1439146789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14998 @ 0.00062737 = 9.4093 BTC [+]
1232494;1439146804;asciilifeform;whatever. so long as it works when i get it back and test it
1232495;1439146815;mod6;haha, right.
1232496;1439146831;mod6;i have a script for you to look over, review, read, and try out if you like:
1232497;1439146837;asciilifeform;hm?
1232498;1439146865;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/rotor-TEST2.sh
1232499;1439146866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OZGQlq )
1232500;1439146880;mod6;main major requirement x86-64
1232501;1439146946;asciilifeform;looks reasonable to naked eye. will test later when i get back to the machine where i do this.
1232502;1439146949;mod6;someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please.
1232503;1439146958;mod6;thanks asciilifeform
1232504;1439147154;shinohai;Testing on Ubuntu precise nau
1232505;1439147168;mod6;last reminder to all who are following along: TEST2 is patched up through maxint_locks_corrected
1232506;1439147254;kakobrekla;recv-keys not using fingerprints ?
1232507;1439147256;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-test-loongson-ls3a-2way-server-v1-1-TY-RS780ED-by-DHL-or-EMS-/252038825704
1232508;1439147258;assbot;100 Test Loongson LS3A 2way Server V1 1 Ty RS780ED by DHL or EMS | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4Asv0 )
1232509;1439147258;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1232510;1439147264;asciilifeform;^ or other archaeologists, explorerz
1232511;1439147295;asciilifeform;i dare say that recv-keys is an evil
1232512;1439147295;mod6;kakobrekla: it needs a bit of cleanup before we're through
1232513;1439147307;mod6;thanks tho
1232514;1439147313;asciilifeform;get yer keys from a) the horse's mouth b) someone you've personally met who met (a)
1232515;1439147325;kakobrekla;also live on another planet
1232516;1439147369;asciilifeform;we are nearing the point where hashless pubkey distribution is practical
1232517;1439147375;asciilifeform;(enough of us have met in the meat)
1232518;1439147390;asciilifeform;good practice for when it is time for the one time pads, too.
1232519;1439147772;mod6;All: If you are going to build the rotor-TEST2.sh on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync
1232520;1439147831;ben_vulpes;how did rsync get in there?
1232521;1439147846;mod6;buildroot uses it to pull stuff it needs.
1232522;1439147870;mod6;(14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net
1232523;1439147881;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ditto curl
1232524;1439147887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00062274 = 4.0167 BTC [-]
1232525;1439147909;ben_vulpes;myeah.
1232526;1439147925;*;ben_vulpes is having trouble keeping all of the moving parts for this thing in head at once.
1232527;1439147963;mod6;yea, i think this all is about to get easier.
1232528;1439147969;mod6;it's been a battle
1232529;1439149229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00062813 = 19.2522 BTC [+] {2} 
1232530;1439149718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40550 @ 0.00061798 = 25.0591 BTC [-] {4} 
1232531;1439150206;shinohai;Suddenly, Ethereum is not ready yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3gd2sp/ethereum_is_on_sale_yall/ctx4xt3
1232532;1439150208;assbot;CryptoJunky comments on Ethereum is on sale y’all ... ( http://bit.ly/1f28FNy )
1232533;1439150815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32915 @ 0.00062881 = 20.6973 BTC [+] {4} 
1232534;1439151229;funkenstein_;get to the rotor!
1232535;1439151316;funkenstein_;if anyone still working the nursery, here's  me failing to build buildroot on debian8: http://dpaste.com/0FXN1D4
1232536;1439151318;assbot;dpaste: 0FXN1D4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2auKA )
1232537;1439151396;mod6;oh
1232538;1439151400;*;mod6 looks
1232539;1439151493;mod6;funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me.  what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok.  is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go rotor-TEST2.sh?
1232540;1439151713;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
1232541;1439151717;shinohai;Try the new test script. So easy a redditard *might* could build it.
1232542;1439151786;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory?
1232543;1439151791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61922 @ 0.00060564 = 37.5024 BTC [-] {4} 
1232544;1439151825;mats;http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/23/investing/shazam-tech-startups-lose-money TIL
1232545;1439151826;assbot;16 firms worth billions even though they lose millions - Jan. 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj1Wxx )
1232546;1439151832;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: my root dir contains: buildroot-2015.05   stator    toolchain
1232547;1439151868;asciilifeform;mats: 'worth billions' in the usg empire has nothing to do with money, but with 'noble, aryan' blood
1232548;1439151879;asciilifeform;the money is seen as an entitlement
1232549;1439151894;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform and what ends up in toolchain?
1232550;1439151916;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the 1) binaries 2) headers which magick into existence when buildroot is built
1232551;1439151924;asciilifeform;(it is initially empty)
1232552;1439151941;ben_vulpes;well this explains a few thigs
1232553;1439151944;asciilifeform;this covers gcc and libc (musl in the provided config)
1232554;1439151980;asciilifeform;rotor.sh, if you notice, sets up environment such that ~they~ and not your local system's are used for the builds
1232555;1439151989;ben_vulpes;i *did* notice that bit
1232556;1439151997;ben_vulpes;put buildroot in the wrong place.
1232557;1439152007;ben_vulpes;will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?
1232558;1439152011;asciilifeform;oh and don't every try to move'em
1232559;1439152013;asciilifeform;won't work
1232560;1439152028;asciilifeform;(complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)
1232561;1439152036;ben_vulpes;<ben_vulpes> will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes
1232562;1439152039;asciilifeform;aha
1232563;1439152079;ben_vulpes;lovely, thanks world
1232564;1439152142;mod6;asciilifeform: any idea on funkenstein_'s error?  maybe no build-essentials?
1232565;1439152262;asciilifeform;mod6: hard to say, but his environment is loudly and profanely defective
1232566;1439152270;asciilifeform;where the fuck do you people get these things ?!
1232567;1439152288;asciilifeform;what happened to reasonable linux ?
1232568;1439152308;trinque;years of compromise.
1232569;1439152325;mod6;shinohai: you built successfully with rotor-TEST2.sh on deb 8 right?
1232570;1439152333;asciilifeform;http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.help/47447 << apparently nobody knows
1232571;1439152334;assbot;GCC 4.8 Build Error 2 gcc/nm: exec: line -89: -pg not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj2Gmm )
1232572;1439152340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00062885 = 7.3261 BTC [+]
1232573;1439152342;asciilifeform;try turning the gcc knob to some much earlier ver.
1232574;1439152347;shinohai;Yup, Deb 7, 8 and Ubuntu precise
1232575;1439152349;asciilifeform;prolly ought to have done this myself to begin with
1232576;1439152355;mod6;great work shinohai
1232577;1439152361;shinohai;Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find.
1232578;1439152371;shinohai;^_______________^
1232579;1439152394;mod6;i built on ubuntu 10.04, as well as deb6 and gentoo/hardened/nomultilib/libc
1232580;1439152396;trinque;asciilifeform: btw, here is the gentoo bootstrap script so far http://dpaste.com/27W35K9
1232581;1439152399;assbot;dpaste: 27W35K9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj2JyH )
1232582;1439152408;trinque;currently farts out a root.img which can be run in qemu
1232583;1439152411;mod6;i guess i could try now on 14.04 LTS
1232584;1439152417;trinque;working on it hitting a block device now
1232585;1439152420;asciilifeform;neato
1232586;1439152421;*;mod6 looks
1232587;1439152436;asciilifeform;give it to mircea_popescu, i think he was having problems coming up with a gentoo
1232588;1439152444;trinque;asciilifeform: shall when it does a blockdev
1232589;1439152470;mod6;trinque: cool!
1232590;1439152473;asciilifeform;would be neat if it could be done with a musl runtime
1232591;1439152478;asciilifeform;(instead of drepperola)
1232592;1439152482;trinque;asciilifeform: I intend such knobs, for sure
1232593;1439152489;trinque;would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line
1232594;1439152498;asciilifeform;has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ?
1232595;1439152520;asciilifeform;seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured
1232596;1439152535;mod6;awe shoot, realized i gotta wait until later tonight for ubuntu 14.04 test. my bad.
1232597;1439152544;asciilifeform;would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy
1232598;1439152564;mod6;busybox? any specific version?
1232599;1439152577;asciilifeform;mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely
1232600;1439152583;asciilifeform;in favour of something else that they wrote
1232601;1439152609;mod6;oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare?
1232602;1439152625;asciilifeform;eh, was just curious if anyone ~has~
1232603;1439152657;punkman;http://git.suckless.org/sbase/tree/README  their busybox replacement
1232604;1439152658;assbot;sbase - suckless unix tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2cQJs )
1232605;1439152658;asciilifeform;imho ought to go in some kind of logical order - iirc most folks don't even have rotor working yet.
1232606;1439152676;punkman;I like that there's a column named "Finished"
1232607;1439152700;mod6;asciilifeform: im with you there.
1232608;1439152727;asciilifeform;depressing that they're doing utf
1232609;1439152738;punkman;why?
1232610;1439152740;asciilifeform;'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in'
1232611;1439152753;asciilifeform;and bloats everything
1232612;1439152770;asciilifeform;what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book'
1232613;1439152802;asciilifeform;as it is, unix is dead, and we will come to regret keeping it on life support this way.
1232614;1439152805;punkman;if you notice, only a few of the things need explicit UTF8 support there
1232615;1439152855;asciilifeform;one notable attempt at 'fits in book but usable' was minix. a failed attempt.
1232616;1439152862;asciilifeform;compare minix2 to minix3
1232617;1439152878;asciilifeform;the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK
1232618;1439152889;asciilifeform;it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux
1232619;1439152916;asciilifeform;and before mircea_popescu chimes in and says 'find old hardware', let's see him booting from a floppy
1232620;1439152936;asciilifeform;and running blockchain on an elephantine heap of floppies swapped in and out by hand.
1232621;1439152941;asciilifeform;at ~10kB/s.
1232622;1439152943;shinohai;LOL
1232623;1439152962;*;shinohai inserts disk 4,560
1232624;1439152976;asciilifeform;if you want to play 'rogue', you can use whatever iron you found in old university dumpster, yes
1232625;1439152986;asciilifeform;but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints
1232626;1439152997;shinohai;Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/
1232627;1439153007;asciilifeform;gotta support modern disks, and modern bus, and ram, and... and.
1232628;1439153068;asciilifeform;and yes, one can turn bitcoind into a kernel of sorts. (you cannot use a linux kernel as a base for this. to understand why, read src for kmalloc, etc.)
1232629;1439153079;asciilifeform;but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~.
1232630;1439153130;asciilifeform;have fun verifying blocks in <10M on that trs.
1232631;1439153168;asciilifeform;(will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?)
1232632;1439153209;asciilifeform;and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter.
1232633;1439153219;*;asciilifeform bbl
1232634;1439153255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00060479 = 18.6578 BTC [-] {5} 
1232635;1439153438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30959 @ 0.00060366 = 18.6887 BTC [-]
1232636;1439153499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.000612 = 6.6402 BTC [+]
1232637;1439153568;ben_vulpes;!up scthoopbot
1232638;1439153585;ben_vulpes;!up scthoopbot
1232639;1439153588;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1232640;1439153600;ben_vulpes;!up scthoopbot
1232641;1439153607;ben_vulpes;righteous
1232642;1439153610;ben_vulpes;syn
1232643;1439153667;ben_vulpes;joker.
1232644;1439153743;williamdunne;Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project
1232645;1439153750;williamdunne;Oh shit
1232646;1439153756;williamdunne;He replies to every message with dick
1232647;1439153756;williamdunne;oops
1232648;1439153770;trinque;lol
1232649;1439153773;jurov;scthoopbot ?
1232650;1439153778;jurov;kek
1232651;1439153805;williamdunne;Umm, it was my best interpretation of someone with a severe lisp saying "scoopbot"
1232652;1439153821;williamdunne;Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet
1232653;1439153822;fluffypony;wouldn't it just be thcoopbot?
1232654;1439153823;fluffypony;:-P
1232655;1439153831;williamdunne;I think you might be right
1232656;1439153837;williamdunne;Yes, you are
1232657;1439153892;williamdunne;I'm already fed up of brackets
1232658;1439153936;trinque;tune your editor better
1232659;1439153940;trinque;you shouldn't even notice them
1232660;1439153958;trinque;emacs is the only sane choice, and there are a number of modes for that
1232661;1439154024;williamdunne;Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones
1232662;1439154120;trinque;only because the others hide a detail lisp displays honestly, the AST
1232663;1439154127;trinque;anyhow, cool that you're diving into that
1232664;1439154194;williamdunne;Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented
1232665;1439154225;williamdunne;Although its forcing me to read source, which at least is good for learning
1232666;1439154233;trinque;for CL itself, hyperspec.el
1232667;1439154243;trinque;as for the rest, depends on the library
1232668;1439154285;williamdunne;I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much..
1232669;1439154285;williamdunne;http://learnlispthehardway.org/
1232670;1439154286;assbot;L(λ)THW ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2fmiM )
1232671;1439154306;punkman;williamdunne: http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/common-lisp/
1232672;1439154308;assbot;Learn Common Lisp in Y Minutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2fleO )
1232673;1439154323;williamdunne;Yeah, that's what I've been learning from :)
1232674;1439154902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.000612 = 1.6218 BTC [+]
1232675;1439155100;williamdunne;trinque: punkman: know how I can dump a representation of an object to a string?
1232676;1439155128;williamdunne;found print-object but looks for a stream
1232677;1439155172;jurov;simple, just screenshot+ocr
1232678;1439155231;trinque;williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect
1232679;1439155237;trinque;I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it
1232680;1439155295;williamdunne;Thanks, I'll have a dig
1232681;1439155297;trinque;williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream
1232682;1439155308;punkman;isn't it just 'object?
1232683;1439155362;trinque;looks like (pprint 'yourthing) maybe
1232684;1439155364;trinque;something around there
1232685;1439155378;trinque;http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_wr_pr.htm
1232686;1439155380;assbot;CLHS: Function WRITE, PRIN1, PRINT, PPRINT... ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2h8Ao )
1232687;1439155817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00062691 = 8.1185 BTC [+] {3} 
1232688;1439157098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10918 @ 0.00062138 = 6.7842 BTC [-] {4} 
1232689;1439157220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00062884 = 15.5952 BTC [+] {3} 
1232690;1439158257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00060213 = 19.9004 BTC [-] {6} 
1232691;1439158562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29883 @ 0.00062884 = 18.7916 BTC [+] {4} 
1232692;1439158740;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: what's your cl development flow like?
1232693;1439158863;ben_vulpes;i had a dream that i figured out how to never recompile openssl again
1232694;1439158928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30755 @ 0.00062884 = 19.34 BTC [+] {3} 
1232695;1439159124;mats;I had a dream I got three scoops of guac at chipotle
1232696;1439159131;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Horrendous, currently just doing (load "some/path/file.lisp")
1232697;1439159141;williamdunne;Which I edit in sublime
1232698;1439159143;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: hate to ask, but...
1232699;1439159146;ben_vulpes;aok.
1232700;1439159152;ben_vulpes;stoppit, wouldja?
1232701;1439159153;ben_vulpes;:P
1232702;1439159169;ben_vulpes;the incremental recompilation shit is mind-blowing
1232703;1439159185;williamdunne;Yeah, I'm gonna get emacs set up
1232704;1439159194;williamdunne;Not used to using it, so another thing to learn
1232705;1439159204;ben_vulpes;okay, well pm if you need help
1232706;1439159215;ben_vulpes;always happy to indoctrinate another
1232707;1439159222;williamdunne;Cheers ben :) yeah does look a little batshit to setup in buntu
1232708;1439159231;ben_vulpes;ah it ain't so bad
1232709;1439159243;phf;williamdunne: no!
1232710;1439159246;phf;one sec
1232711;1439159355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00060434 = 11.7242 BTC [-]
1232712;1439159388;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1A5RWC9 << how buildroot exits
1232713;1439159391;assbot;dpaste: 1A5RWC9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01mEz )
1232714;1439159464;ben_vulpes;no idea if that's right or not
1232715;1439159478;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: does it ~work~ ?
1232716;1439159491;ben_vulpes;i'll see.
1232717;1439159499;ben_vulpes;stepping carefully through next steps.
1232718;1439159611;shinohai;http://redd.it/3gdb6u   <<< good luck w/that
1232719;1439159612;assbot;In C++ my variables are signed but I have no place to put my signature. What did I do wrong? : shittyprogramming ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01OCP )
1232720;1439159646;phf;williamdunne: rob warnock has a series of posts on how to use lisp effectively even if you don't have emacs running, i often find it a reasonable path for lisp novices, particularly when you don't want the complexity of emacs to get in the way of early explorations. http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/BJqdnd9R65ee3qDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PJudnYz2hfC-HQbYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://
1232721;1439159647;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01TWZ )
1232722;1439159648;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01SCG )
1232723;1439159648;phf;xach.com/rpw3/articles/TJadnRSn8I_o8qHZ4p2dnA%40speakeasy.net.html and http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PqOdndt5Kr6E9BnUnZ2dnUVZ_juWnZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html (there's probably more, but it's worthwhile to read through those)
1232724;1439159649;assbot;Re: Emacs vs VI, the final solution — Rob Warnock Lisp usenet archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01ST0 )
1232725;1439159671;asciilifeform;phf: xach is a serious lulzmine
1232726;1439159678;asciilifeform;sadly, he (iirc) starved.
1232727;1439159711;phf;asciilifeform: well, he provides a valuable service of hosting both naggum and rob warnock archives
1232728;1439159721;mircea_popescu;ho come he's not here anyway
1232729;1439159724;asciilifeform;or hm no!
1232730;1439159732;williamdunne;Thanks phf
1232731;1439159733;asciilifeform;i'm entirely misremembering
1232732;1439159740;asciilifeform;it was xiah lee who starved
1232733;1439159749;asciilifeform;xach - no one seems to know anything about.
1232734;1439159780;asciilifeform;(xiah lee, don't expect to see anywhere. he literally ran out of money and went to wash dishes for minimum wage, and sold his computer iirc)
1232735;1439159807;phf;i love xah, but he fell out of contact by becoming increasing more chaotic
1232736;1439159866;phf;(xah lee)
1232737;1439160026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2640 @ 0.00062885 = 1.6602 BTC [+]
1232738;1439160053;mircea_popescu;this mpex over 60 thing is beheheautiful.
1232739;1439160183;ben_vulpes;behyutiful
1232740;1439160224;*;ben_vulpes compiles openssl for the third time today
1232741;1439160233;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf.
1232742;1439160242;asciilifeform;i did warn!
1232743;1439160249;asciilifeform;back when i released pogotron
1232744;1439160252;asciilifeform;(which rotor is based on)
1232745;1439160272;phf;i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric
1232746;1439160297;asciilifeform;last i saw, fare was more of a 'libertarian'-flavoured crackpot ?
1232747;1439160306;asciilifeform;odd
1232748;1439160306;mircea_popescu;!up nama
1232749;1439160309;mircea_popescu;!h
1232750;1439160309;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1232751;1439160323;mircea_popescu;nama see above link, where it says "first steps in #b-a"
1232752;1439160340;mircea_popescu;it's explained how to register with assbot. after that i'll rate you and you can ahve an eulora account.
1232753;1439160405;mircea_popescu;phf we're feminists aren't we ?!
1232754;1439160441;phf;i think by last polls we were "pervs"
1232755;1439160454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00062885 = 33.7692 BTC [+] {3} 
1232756;1439160477;mircea_popescu;orthogonal concern isn't it ?
1232757;1439160477;ben_vulpes;fair unsurprising, one has to toe that line to keep a twitter account
1232758;1439160501;mircea_popescu;it's gotten that bad ?
1232759;1439160515;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help.
1232760;1439160577;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs."
1232761;1439160585;asciilifeform;??!
1232762;1439160590;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut!
1232763;1439160591;asciilifeform;burn your computer.
1232764;1439160628;ben_vulpes;yes, that is what you told trinque as well.
1232765;1439160696;trinque;ben_vulpes: is that db saying that?
1232766;1439160712;ben_vulpes;adding the --host flag now.
1232767;1439160751;ben_vulpes;setting -e as well
1232768;1439160847;trinque;in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root
1232769;1439160865;trinque;so after that, infectious gentoo
1232770;1439160886;mircea_popescu;find lsub, help out n6
1232771;1439160942;ben_vulpes;lol why oh why does this script carry on merrily even after i set -e
1232772;1439160965;trinque;depends how you're running it
1232773;1439160968;trinque;source ?
1232774;1439160975;ben_vulpes;ah well it'd help to edit the right script
1232775;1439160979;trinque;that too lol
1232776;1439160988;*;ben_vulpes now has 3? 4? copies of rotor.sh open
1232777;1439161002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10849 @ 0.00060429 = 6.5559 BTC [-] {2} 
1232778;1439161022;ben_vulpes;`rotor/stattor/rotor.sh`
1232779;1439161063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45051 @ 0.00058823 = 26.5003 BTC [-] {3} 
1232780;1439161073;ben_vulpes;trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no?
1232781;1439161117;mircea_popescu;btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally.
1232782;1439161156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then.
1232783;1439161164;asciilifeform;'to criticize is to volunteer'
1232784;1439161166;asciilifeform;(tm) (r)
1232785;1439161211;asciilifeform;let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory.
1232786;1439161301;mircea_popescu;i said this.
1232787;1439161315;trinque;ben_vulpes: I dunno what x and u do
1232788;1439161335;ben_vulpes;x prints all output, u signals errors on reference to unbound variables
1232789;1439161358;trinque;ah
1232790;1439161392;phf;williamdunne: not builtin, but here's a generic object printer, http://paste.lisp.org/display/153363. if you have an instance of a class, you'll get #<FOO (A . 1) (B . "test") C #x123123> (where C is unbound)
1232791;1439161393;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcw1sJ )
1232792;1439161424;phf;only works for ccl and sbcl, so if you're using something different i'll need to extend it
1232793;1439161433;asciilifeform;phf: this can be made to work for anything that has printability method defined, aha
1232794;1439161491;trinque;ben_vulpes: bash --be-sane
1232795;1439161509;ben_vulpes;that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts.
1232796;1439161516;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall your observation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229166 ? i often have problems naming something that i strongly feel doesn't deserve a name
1232797;1439161516;assbot;Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
1232798;1439161546;asciilifeform;just like a turd isn't normally given a name before flushing
1232799;1439161547;ben_vulpes;the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima
1232800;1439161569;ben_vulpes;big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold.
1232801;1439161599;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes explain ye ?
1232802;1439161614;ben_vulpes;"go uphill", right?
1232803;1439161624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform naming is fundamentally dirty.
1232804;1439161632;mircea_popescu;nothing deserves a name at that time it gets a name.
1232805;1439161652;asciilifeform;this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern
1232806;1439161662;asciilifeform;get a temp name and assigned a proper one ~when deserved~
1232807;1439161669;asciilifeform;or the japanese version of this, full-bore
1232808;1439161673;asciilifeform;posthumous names
1232809;1439161689;asciilifeform;(e.g., 'emperor showa' not hirohito)
1232810;1439161708;ben_vulpes;when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill
1232811;1439161718;ben_vulpes;"minimal changes possible" is this naive optimization.
1232812;1439161722;asciilifeform;or hell, ru prison nicknamez
1232813;1439161762;mircea_popescu;what's showa mean, incidentally ?
1232814;1439161772;ben_vulpes;and so i end up commenting out sections of scripts. adding -xeu myself. and so forth.
1232815;1439161773;mircea_popescu;"unavoidable failure" or "the hole the night" ?
1232816;1439161781;asciilifeform;ask jp
1232817;1439161791;mircea_popescu;i r ask!
1232818;1439161809;asciilifeform;wouldn't surprise me if it means something like 'deep sea fish'
1232819;1439161824;asciilifeform;esp. given as that was his true calling (ichthyology)
1232820;1439161828;asciilifeform;had papers published, even.
1232821;1439161849;mircea_popescu;"dumbass" also works.
1232822;1439161877;mircea_popescu;(this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on)
1232823;1439161898;asciilifeform;the whole experiment in bringing back emperors was a flop
1232824;1439161911;mircea_popescu;so it was.
1232825;1439161913;asciilifeform;a kind of legitimacy-washing of unrelated structures
1232826;1439161957;asciilifeform;sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow
1232827;1439161973;mircea_popescu;rank nonsense. you can't "be made" a king.
1232828;1439161976;asciilifeform;aha
1232829;1439161990;mircea_popescu;the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling.
1232830;1439162000;mircea_popescu;hitler's readily the last legitimate case.
1232831;1439162015;asciilifeform;aha
1232832;1439162017;mircea_popescu;(unlike napoleon, stalin never wanted it)
1232833;1439162729;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase
1232834;1439162771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00062906 = 9.1214 BTC [+] {5} 
1232835;1439162832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00062974 = 12.7837 BTC [+] {3} 
1232836;1439162894;ben_vulpes;ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag
1232837;1439163076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00062563 = 11.3865 BTC [-]
1232838;1439163287;mats;https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8713
1232839;1439163289;assbot;Live-Capture Forensics of Corruptor-Injector Network injecting fake Chrome install via https@google - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwz5lo )
1232840;1439163381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00062563 = 7.8204 BTC [-]
1232841;1439163512;williamdunne;phf: Thanks, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around streams
1232842;1439163547;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node182.html#SECTION002500000000000000000
1232843;1439163548;assbot;21. Streams ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwzIv5 )
1232844;1439163552;phf;williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes
1232845;1439163587;phf;i.e. you don't need to know about streams to use that function
1232846;1439163613;ben_vulpes;after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind
1232847;1439163621;phf;ben_vulpes: os x?
1232848;1439163629;ben_vulpes;some heinous aws gentoo
1232849;1439163687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00058541 = 20.665 BTC [-] {3} 
1232850;1439163747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16621 @ 0.00061586 = 10.2362 BTC [+]
1232851;1439163876;shinohai;gg ben_vulpes
1232852;1439164054;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind << heeey! neat. :]
1232853;1439164084;mod6;im building on ubuntu 14.04 atm
1232854;1439164899;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs
1232855;1439164899;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 23:34:47; mats: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8713
1232856;1439164900;williamdunne;phf: Objects aren't created in a very accessible manner. Simply received from an event
1232857;1439165029;phf;williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed
1232858;1439165032;phf;they should
1232859;1439165038;phf;*it should rather
1232860;1439165210;williamdunne;phf: if I just run it, it has no inputs. Or am I just entirely derping?
1232861;1439165273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00058424 = 4.5571 BTC [-]
1232862;1439165275;phf;williamdunne: correct (on both)
1232863;1439165334;phf;this is sort of like redefining Object.toString or object.__str__
1232864;1439165455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00060522 = 19.4276 BTC [+]
1232865;1439165699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23822 @ 0.00059266 = 14.1183 BTC [-]
1232866;1439165777;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143916358308848&w=2
1232867;1439165779;assbot;'Re: radeondrm firmware archive problem?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tiy1o8 )
1232868;1439165980;phf;williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as #<FOO #x123123> or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as #<FOO (value . 1) (value2 . "hello")> i
1232869;1439165981;phf;nstead
1232870;1439166118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i do ?
1232871;1439166858;mircea_popescu;lol
1232872;1439167285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7365 @ 0.00058504 = 4.3088 BTC [-]
1232873;1439167893;phf;ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log|head -1|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548
1232874;1439168728;gernika;phf - been following along - that's what I get
1232875;1439168757;phf;gernika: does yours also fail? logs please
1232876;1439168778;gernika;yes.  one sec.
1232877;1439168782;phf;thanks!
1232878;1439169007;gernika;phf: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs.tar.gz
1232879;1439169009;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYbuLj )
1232880;1439169238;phf;now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions
1232881;1439169305;gernika;I do have gcc46 - I'm not sure if I have other gcc versions or not - I vaguely recall xcode installing some compiler or other
1232882;1439169359;gernika;Looks like I've got gcc42 as well
1232883;1439169403;phf;xcode comes with clang/llvm and a bogus llvm-gcc, which pretends to be gcc, except fails on all kinds of obscure flags, and certainly doesn't respect gcc semantics
1232884;1439169450;phf;homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because!
1232885;1439169526;phf;and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use
1232886;1439169810;ben_vulpes;phf: i have, will again
1232887;1439170018;ben_vulpes;phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update'
1232888;1439170049;phf;did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change
1232889;1439170091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00062695 = 14.8274 BTC [+] {3} 
1232890;1439170441;mircea_popescu;is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
1232891;1439170670;phf;ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code
1232892;1439170670;scoopbot_revived;Racists and the racist idea http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/
1232893;1439170822;gernika;phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c
1232894;1439170823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00062699 = 20.5339 BTC [+] {4} 
1232895;1439170847;phf;that's a correct hash
1232896;1439170944;phf;btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates..
1232897;1439171433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.000627 = 5.1101 BTC [+]
1232898;1439171616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6907 @ 0.00060891 = 4.2057 BTC [-]
1232899;1439172378;gernika;phf: failed: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs-1439172323.tar.gz
1232900;1439172381;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IS4FHk )
1232901;1439172531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43245 @ 0.00061194 = 26.4633 BTC [+]
1232902;1439172554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner.
1232903;1439172582;asciilifeform;half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit
1232904;1439172588;asciilifeform;just - in principle, possible.
1232905;1439172614;asciilifeform;'eh, medicine?! anybody can take a knife and let blood'
1232906;1439172629;asciilifeform;'what medical skill? it's like shitting, anyone can do it'
1232907;1439172652;asciilifeform;'anybody can gather rat shit and smear it in a wound.'
1232908;1439172655;asciilifeform;yes, yes they can.
1232909;1439172760;asciilifeform;btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery
1232910;1439173324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00062806 = 29.8957 BTC [+] {6} 
1232911;1439173435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did mention it's controversial :)
1232912;1439173454;mircea_popescu;!up bassguitarman
1232913;1439173455;asciilifeform;aha/
1232914;1439173462;mircea_popescu;i like teh approach phf
1232915;1439173463;phf;a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again
1232916;1439173479;asciilifeform;phf: samet!
1232917;1439173491;asciilifeform;phf: never saw him in person, but we had his book.
1232918;1439173530;mircea_popescu;phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ?
1232919;1439173535;asciilifeform;and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad
1232920;1439173546;asciilifeform;than anything in sicp
1232921;1439173546;mircea_popescu;i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus.
1232922;1439173613;phf;mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it
1232923;1439173615;asciilifeform;and hell, 90% failure rate is ~mandatory~ in freshmen 'weeders'
1232924;1439173657;asciilifeform;so there's gotta be some other part of this story.
1232925;1439173663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another"
1232926;1439173677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this used to be sop
1232927;1439173695;phf;asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript
1232928;1439173699;mircea_popescu;the drawing lots ?
1232929;1439173706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no. the 90%
1232930;1439173709;mircea_popescu;ah yes.
1232931;1439173720;mircea_popescu;add the lots, take the power from the people.
1232932;1439173731;asciilifeform;notbad.
1232933;1439173752;phf;asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures
1232934;1439173772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept
1232935;1439173777;asciilifeform;in its entire history.
1232936;1439173783;mircea_popescu;aha
1232937;1439173807;*;asciilifeform blows dust off samizdat xerocopy of samet
1232938;1439173817;*;asciilifeform blows dust off priceless original
1232939;1439173907;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232560 << how the fuck did this become a thing anwyay
1232940;1439173907;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 20:27:08; asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)
1232941;1439173919;mircea_popescu;what even is "absolute path"
1232942;1439173941;asciilifeform;path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir.
1232943;1439173953;mircea_popescu;no but i mean... wtf.
1232944;1439173961;asciilifeform;as in, /home/schmuck/foo/bar/rotor/toolchain
1232945;1439173967;asciilifeform;and yes, wtf
1232946;1439173981;asciilifeform;hey, gcc doesn't expect to move.
1232947;1439173982;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232567 << im starting to suspect reasonable linux never existed. it for a while looked like soon enough IT WILL. then it seamlessly switched to looking like for a while IT HAD.
1232948;1439173982;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 20:31:28; asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ?
1232949;1439173990;phf;there's no guy debord for u.s. universities
1232950;1439174001;mircea_popescu;but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap.
1232951;1439174033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or like brezhnev's 'communism is coming in 1980'
1232952;1439174042;mircea_popescu;aha
1232953;1439174079;asciilifeform;'Debord's first book, M�moires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win
1232954;1439174132;mircea_popescu;lol
1232955;1439174251;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232677 << i lolled.
1232956;1439174251;assbot;Logged on 09-08-2015 21:19:32; jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr
1232957;1439174322;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaand....
1232958;1439174322;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B5963F9EB8534A2D1D382180AF41F6EDB977FF994BBB58431DDC7E7E636E0522
1232959;1439174336;mircea_popescu;lmao "Shazam" wtf.
1232960;1439174342;asciilifeform;(first of new batch!)
1232961;1439174354;asciilifeform;and can we mebbe get lobbesbot again ?
1232962;1439174370;mircea_popescu;"2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results."
1232963;1439174380;mircea_popescu;what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing.
1232964;1439174404;asciilifeform;http://www.bmlvs.gv.at << lol
1232965;1439174406;assbot;Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung und Sport - bmlvs.gv.at ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzsD7 )
1232966;1439174410;phf;asciilifeform: you might enjoy reading his autobiography, Panegyric, http://debordiana.chez.com/english/panegyric.htm
1232967;1439174410;assbot;Panegyric. Volume I ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzvyO )
1232968;1439174425;mats;http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BOX+Interactive#range=1y
1232969;1439174427;assbot;BOX Interactive Stock Chart | Yahoo! Inc. Stock - Yahoo! Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfztqQ )
1232970;1439174483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00061284 = 11.4601 BTC [-]
1232971;1439174514;asciilifeform;gcd==12884901891; Herbert Saurugg <herbert.saurugg@bmlv.gv.at>; Herbert Saurugg (aufgrund der Umstellung auf BMLVS - 2009) <herbert.saurugg@bmlvs.gv.at>;
1232972;1439174516;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1232973;1439174596;mats;14 to 24.73 to 15.5, kek
1232974;1439174650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.
1232975;1439174673;mircea_popescu;i can see it
1232976;1439174694;asciilifeform;thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses'
1232977;1439174747;mircea_popescu;everything does benefit from being written by folks with day jobs.
1232978;1439174753;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't be MANAGED by them, however.
1232979;1439174770;mircea_popescu;the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question.
1232980;1439174882;asciilifeform;i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making.
1232981;1439174914;mircea_popescu;what'd the proof look like ?
1232982;1439174971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25839 @ 0.00061284 = 15.8352 BTC [-]
1232983;1439175040;asciilifeform;say, example of 'good management' in that sphere that doesn't, when you scratch it, reveal itself to be a case of programming-with-human-compilers
1232984;1439175045;asciilifeform;(a la steve jobs)
1232985;1439175122;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, example some software artifact even vaguely worth using, to intelligent folks, that was ~produced under sound management~
1232986;1439175136;mircea_popescu;can anything in b-a qualify ?
1232987;1439175138;asciilifeform;as opposed to, y'know, some idler who just felt like it. (unix, c, hell, lisp)
1232988;1439175195;asciilifeform;qualify as... ?
1232989;1439175227;asciilifeform;as proof ?
1232990;1439175242;asciilifeform;could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do
1232991;1439175248;mircea_popescu;as "sphere which..."
1232992;1439175310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eulora, conceivably, but i don't know enough about how it was built, and precisely by whom, and to what kind of outcome, to say anything interesting
1232993;1439175353;mircea_popescu;lol jesus help us, look here : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-09.log.html#t22:33:53
1232994;1439175354;assbot;#Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-08-09 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfB2VM )
1232995;1439175393;asciilifeform;but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads'
1232996;1439175509;asciilifeform;^ not intended to imply that ~all~ items created this way are worth using
1232997;1439175517;asciilifeform;after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken..
1232998;1439175520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1954 @ 0.00061194 = 1.1957 BTC [-]
1232999;1439175527;mircea_popescu;management is a complicated thing. like persay robinson crusoe (as depicted by defoe) was certainly managed.
1233000;1439175541;asciilifeform;how?
1233001;1439175568;mircea_popescu;well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time.
1233002;1439175598;asciilifeform;if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed'
1233003;1439175608;mircea_popescu;kinda why it's very bad "fiction" : it presents us the nonsensical construct of a lone man that's part of the british empire.
1233004;1439175614;mircea_popescu;for obvious ideological reasons, but anyway.
1233005;1439175623;mircea_popescu;a brick falling is definitely managed.
1233006;1439175625;asciilifeform;or what, i sit and write a sorter, and so i'm being managed by kerr knuth!?
1233007;1439175627;asciilifeform;what honour!
1233008;1439175644;asciilifeform;but i do not think this corresponds to the generally-understood meaning of the word 'management'
1233009;1439175647;mircea_popescu;would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
1233010;1439175655;mircea_popescu;depends generally understood by whom.
1233011;1439175677;asciilifeform;conceivably. but would not be so tall without 'giant's shoulders'
1233012;1439175706;mircea_popescu;!up dbit
1233013;1439175742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform management as generally understood say by dilbert's strip is a sort of dour nagging.
1233014;1439175759;mircea_popescu;management can also be understood as creation of proper schelling points
1233015;1439175761;asciilifeform;i like to think of the more positive, stalin sense
1233016;1439175765;mircea_popescu;(it's the view i moistly take)
1233017;1439175770;mircea_popescu;and yes, that also.
1233018;1439175774;dbit;mircea_popescu, can I have a Eulora account?
1233019;1439175781;mircea_popescu;!rated dbit
1233020;1439175781;assbot;dbit is not registered in WoT.
1233021;1439175786;mircea_popescu;get in the wot first eh.
1233022;1439175798;mircea_popescu;!h
1233023;1439175798;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1233024;1439175804;mircea_popescu;^ see first steps article there
1233025;1439175804;dbit;ok
1233026;1439175832;mike_c;;;rated dbit
1233027;1439175834;gribble;You rated user dbit on Mon Jul 28 12:01:35 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: None.
1233028;1439175853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but i mean... you wouldn't propose the alarm clock is a manager would you.
1233029;1439175856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233014 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233009 then 'management' and 'programming skill' are entirely one and the same thing in that field.
1233030;1439175856;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 03:02:39; mircea_popescu: management can also be understood as creation of proper schelling points
1233031;1439175856;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 03:00:47; mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
1233032;1439175864;mircea_popescu;the derps may call it "A time management device", but hey.
1233033;1439175877;asciilifeform;in that one creates artifacts that become foundational for future people.
1233034;1439175879;mircea_popescu;dbit oh if you already have a key just need it passed to assbot
1233035;1439175907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect you misnomer management as  "programming skill"
1233036;1439175919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i happen to regard the alarm clock as the single most destructively irritating thing in my entire existence
1233037;1439175922;mircea_popescu;programming skill is necessarily "having preloaded in your head which words make bash not do this particular stupid thing"
1233038;1439175987;asciilifeform;that's rather like saying that 'literary skill is good penmanship'
1233039;1439175994;asciilifeform;yes, related. no, not equivalent.
1233040;1439176043;mircea_popescu;there is definitely a lot of management involved in being a competent computer handler, by the nature of the thing
1233041;1439176064;mircea_popescu;i guess this resolves our standing dispute re whores/programmers. turns out it was a misunderstanding.
1233042;1439176091;asciilifeform;not sure if involved. at least in the usual sense. thing isn't a horse, or dog, more like a very ill-tuned piano
1233043;1439176099;asciilifeform;it doesn't respond to incentives
1233044;1439176104;asciilifeform;only massaging
1233045;1439176124;mircea_popescu;management is not psychiatry.
1233046;1439176149;mircea_popescu;you manage factories (also ill tuned pianos) not individual women on their period.
1233047;1439176150;asciilifeform;but if your colleagues are insane ?
1233048;1439176158;asciilifeform;then - psychiatry.
1233049;1439176171;mircea_popescu;everything bleeds over a little, but still./
1233050;1439176361;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaand....
1233051;1439176363;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD
1233052;1439176381;asciilifeform;gcd==141733920801; Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>;
1233053;1439176390;mircea_popescu;lol did you manage talking lobbes into letting you do these by hand ?
1233054;1439176404;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes can we has the bot back plz ?
1233055;1439176404;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1233056;1439176502;hanbot;the ml patching guide (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html) step  0x07] Clean Source Base involves manifests which i take it are part of the guide's referenced patch tarballs. given the stator patch battery is single .patch file only, how's one to handle this step (and why does guide assume patch will come in ball?)?
1233057;1439176540;asciilifeform;mod6 ?
1233058;1439176550;*;asciilifeform had no part in writing the linked recipe
1233059;1439176591;asciilifeform;and hanbot did you notice that this guide long pre-dates stator ?
1233060;1439176618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00063094 = 3.0285 BTC [+] {2} 
1233061;1439176626;hanbot;i did. is there a new&improved patching guide? i missed it if so
1233062;1439176639;asciilifeform;i am unaware of it
1233063;1439176648;asciilifeform;unless the automatic script created by ben_vulpes is one
1233064;1439176664;asciilifeform;(i have not, unfortunately, tested the latter)
1233065;1439176706;asciilifeform;and there is this, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html by mod6
1233066;1439176707;assbot;[BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : TestersNeeded! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm )
1233067;1439176753;asciilifeform;but not a patching guide, rather, patches were applied. but it tells you which, and you can obtain previous release tarball, apply them yourself, and compare the result.
1233068;1439176798;hanbot;i think ben_vulpes' thingy was solely for dependencies + release, sans patching, could be wrong.
1233069;1439176809;hanbot;i'll have a look at the test2 bit.
1233070;1439176828;asciilifeform;hanbot: what are you trying to build ?
1233071;1439176837;asciilifeform;i might be able to help
1233072;1439176949;dbit;!register DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2
1233073;1439176949;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2. This may take a few moments.
1233074;1439176949;assbot;Key 11F125B2 / "David Cirello <dbit3434@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
1233075;1439176949;assbot;Registration successful.
1233076;1439176975;hanbot;still want to build stator, "manually": 0.5.3.1 release + six-patch battery required to achieve stator. verified release will run on my (32bit) ubuntu box w/ mod6. so now, patching (for which i was following said guide, all six patches sha1sum & sig verified)
1233077;1439177001;dbit;!up
1233078;1439177010;dbit;!up dbit
1233079;1439177026;trinque;dbit: /msg assbot !up
1233080;1439177028;trinque;but you already are.
1233081;1439177236;dbit;mircea_popescu, ok I got registered
1233082;1439177350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36703 @ 0.00063095 = 23.1578 BTC [+] {3} 
1233083;1439177716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10441 @ 0.00063093 = 6.5875 BTC [-]
1233084;1439177821;ben_vulpes;hanbot: yes, fails spectacularly to produce a bitcoin and makes the operator take over patching at that point.
1233085;1439177823;mircea_popescu;ok dbit one sec
1233086;1439177829;ben_vulpes;provides, however, all tools to compile bitcoin
1233087;1439177866;ben_vulpes;kicking off a new run, phf
1233088;1439177876;phf;ben_vulpes: one sec, i almost pushed another patch
1233089;1439177881;ben_vulpes;ah shoot
1233090;1439177899;ben_vulpes;and by 'kicking off' i mean 'kicked off 2 minutes ago and was distracted by lawgz'
1233091;1439177906;phf;haha
1233092;1439177913;ben_vulpes;anyways, hit me up when you push your patch
1233093;1439178060;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i did eventually succeed with the rotor/stator combo
1233094;1439178067;phf;a build process tool, relaytool, used in some ungodly way to produce a dynamic libraries during build. uses bash to work and is so specified in #!... configure wants to run it by explicitly providing bash /bin/bash ./bin/relaytool. somehow doesn't detect bash, so calls /bin/sh instead, which puts bash in sh emulation mode and breaks relaytool. this, and much more, in todays adventures with eulora builds!
1233095;1439178118;ben_vulpes;phf: http://how-i-feel-rn.shithouse.tv/
1233096;1439178119;assbot;how-i-feel-rn ... ( http://bit.ly/1TiZu95 )
1233097;1439178140;phf;this is sasha grey level of whoring programmer/whore depravity
1233098;1439178179;ben_vulpes;you like it
1233099;1439178180;ben_vulpes;don't lie
1233100;1439178204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21189 @ 0.00062635 = 13.2717 BTC [-] {3} 
1233101;1439178208;ben_vulpes;programmering is beyond learned helplessness
1233102;1439178213;ben_vulpes;it's learned masochism
1233103;1439178241;*;ben_vulpes off to welcome $bizpartner back from a week's vacation
1233104;1439178249;mircea_popescu;dbit http://dpaste.com/2QT18RW
1233105;1439178251;assbot;dpaste: 2QT18RW ... ( http://bit.ly/1TiZFRQ )
1233106;1439178258;mircea_popescu;ima meet you in game in a bit give you some starter stuff.
1233107;1439178320;dbit;thank you
1233108;1439178323;mircea_popescu;!rate dbit 1 Eulorian
1233109;1439178323;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d0fff3d78fd1c01c
1233110;1439178324;phf;oh right 9pm on west coast
1233111;1439178364;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.dbit.1:f9c0e65452e21e9f222864a8a209c03aa4eb166fdcc2e374893948aae2f71014
1233112;1439178364;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for dbit with note: Eulorian
1233113;1439178398;mircea_popescu;phf nuts omg.
1233114;1439179363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00061622 = 6.0081 BTC [-]
1233115;1439179924;phf;gernika, ben_vulpes: new patch, 7129357156859d81c987e210d26ba552fdc49350
1233116;1439180543;mod6;hanbot: yeah, the guide needs to be updated.  It's on the to-do list, just had my hands full lately.  I can help you get patched up from v0.5.3.1 if you like.  We can work on that this week.
1233117;1439180778;mod6;Meanwhile, I can offer you a script that I use to patch up through maxint_locks_corrected from v0.5.3.1 -- it's not a guide, but if you read the steps, it's what needs to happen and in what order.  The new (forthcoming) guide will be based on these steps: http://dpaste.com/0YVSD6Q.txt
1233118;1439180780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gruaIF )
1233119;1439180864;mod6;I'm going to be afk for the rest of the night, but I can perhaps talk about it with you tomorrow.
1233120;1439181520;hanbot;mod6 awesome, ty for the script, will check it out!
1233121;1439181771;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1232890 << 1st from archive's point of view https://archive.is/76hSK
1233122;1439181771;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
1233123;1439181772;assbot;pay for your tits - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1grw8IZ )
1233124;1439181777;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213181 << I'd like to transition my twitter bashing of this channel to my own blog, and would like it to be hosted by that BISP thing but not directly, like rent out some space on someone else's thingy. Is this a possibility yet?
1233125;1439181777;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 15:35:35; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ?
1233126;1439181803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00061622 = 4.8065 BTC [-]
1233127;1439182019;gernika;phf looks like cs built!
1233128;1439182024;phf;woot
1233129;1439182172;danielpbarron;!up coderwill
1233130;1439182179;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot coderwill
1233131;1439182180;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user coderwill: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=coderwill | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/coderwill/
1233132;1439182216;coderwill;thanks
1233133;1439182239;danielpbarron;try verifying it here
1233134;1439182247;coderwill;i was switching my nick, maybe that had something to do w/ it.
1233135;1439182403;gernika;phf: eulora build failed: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs-1439182301.tar.gz
1233136;1439182404;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1grxp2P )
1233137;1439182419;phf;final boss
1233138;1439182605;coderwill;danielpbarron:
1233139;1439182626;coderwill;when you said "verify" did you mean try to !up again?
1233140;1439182850;coderwill;side note - saw citizenfour last night. am having trouble grasping how high school drop-out supposedly gained access to all kinds of stuff across all kinds of platforms by the age of 29. somethings seems off w/ that whole thing.
1233141;1439183041;coderwill;...not that there is anything wrong w/ dropping out of any sort of educational system.
1233142;1439183389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00062224 = 19.165 BTC [+] {3} 
1233143;1439185114;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i dunno that anyone does that yet
1233144;1439185343;wilbns;sorry for all that
1233145;1439185408;mircea_popescu;the notion that "all kinds of stuff over all kinds of platforms" is in any sense locked down's amiss.
1233146;1439185419;wilbns;danielpbarron: thanks for trying to help me
1233147;1439185429;mircea_popescu;someone could also shoot a bunch of people by the time they're 29.
1233148;1439185451;phf;gernika: why not relax with a new eulora build formula?
1233149;1439185500;*;mircea_popescu wonders how many people implemented a "textual replacement lisp interpreter" in bash/perl/php just to bother their sicp prof.
1233150;1439185598;wilbns;mircea_popescu: it just seemed like something was/is a bit strange about the whole ordeal
1233151;1439185768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00062441 = 24.3208 BTC [+] {4} 
1233152;1439186054;phf;that seems like an artisan level troll
1233153;1439186125;wilbns;BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do?
1233154;1439186280;punkman;http://browsers.evolt.org/
1233155;1439186283;assbot;| browsers.evolt.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISlAJS )
1233156;1439187476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28640 @ 0.00062466 = 17.8903 BTC [+]
1233157;1439187842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.0006306 = 13.1165 BTC [+] {5} 
1233158;1439187886;punkman;;;ticker
1233159;1439187887;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.99, Best ask: 266.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 266.0, 24 hour volume: 16462.09261698, 24 hour low: 261.63, 24 hour high: 267.6, 24 hour vwap: None
1233160;1439188513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34454 @ 0.00063192 = 21.7722 BTC [+]
1233161;1439188642;BingoBoingo;<wilbns> BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do? << His body language, his carriage, when he does and doesn't express discomfort. Coincidences between Greenwald finding things out and things going to shit...
1233162;1439192844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26390 @ 0.00063191 = 16.6761 BTC [-] {3} 
1233163;1439193027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00062375 = 13.1611 BTC [-]
1233164;1439193271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20494 @ 0.00063245 = 12.9614 BTC [+] {4} 
1233165;1439193332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9106 @ 0.00063342 = 5.7679 BTC [+]
1233166;1439193518;shinohai;;;ticker
1233167;1439193519;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.95, Best ask: 264.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.96, 24 hour volume: 15841.2556001, 24 hour low: 261.63, 24 hour high: 267.6, 24 hour vwap: None
1233168;1439193820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46647 @ 0.00061538 = 28.7056 BTC [-] {5} 
1233169;1439194211;shinohai;!up TRS80_
1233170;1439194223;shinohai;$phuctor 2
1233171;1439194223;TRS80_;shinohai: 2015-08-10T08:10:23+0000: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann <toho89@gmail.com>; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187#E5D971BED516F3DAD920A90EF1FC17998F15DC52F179A95E45EA559544E77A4D> | 2015-08-10T08:10:23+0000: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda <reda.julia@googlemail.com>; ) (1 more message)
1233172;1439194227;shinohai;$more
1233173;1439194227;TRS80_;shinohai: <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B412BD191BF10DAB6AAB6A8779A3F08D31AC5E3FB748DDBFB1DB18CDF05B6BEF#6269187B70BE0F1B4094A0DCA78923F50E78C97F8B3999BAB3DE5974003B393F>
1233174;1439194246;shinohai;^ new ones O.o
1233175;1439194674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00063342 = 10.7048 BTC [+]
1233176;1439194735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00060795 = 32.6469 BTC [-] {5} 
1233177;1439195101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16778 @ 0.00063342 = 10.6275 BTC [+]
1233178;1439195241;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1232890 #2 down under
1233179;1439195241;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
1233180;1439195291;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/zynga-continues-bleeding/
1233181;1439195292;assbot;Zynga Continues Bleeding | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrD6R )
1233182;1439195711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95418 @ 0.00060257 = 57.496 BTC [-] {5} 
1233183;1439195755;shinohai;http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/families-sa-paedophile-shannon-mccoole-sentenced-to-35-years-in-jail-for-horrific-sexual-abuse-of-children-in-care/story-fni6uo1m-1227474133348
1233184;1439195756;assbot;No Cookies |  The Advertiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXshkT )
1233185;1439195773;shinohai;^ Gets less time than DPR.
1233186;1439197175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23542 @ 0.00063342 = 14.912 BTC [+]
1233187;1439197575;cazalla;shinohai, prob the tip of the iceberg, i assume a lot of paedos work in such professions
1233188;1439197602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00062827 = 6.0942 BTC [-]
1233189;1439197702;punkman;everyone gets less time than DPR
1233190;1439197723;shinohai;I'm just smh at the state of priorities in the "Criminal Justice System".
1233191;1439197724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00062827 = 4.4293 BTC [-]
1233192;1439197755;cazalla;a lot of thieving goes on in those government homes for disabled people down under too.. the clients get welfare and from that the care takers pocket chunks of it by claiming they spent more than they did ($5 lunch becomes $15 lunch type of shit)
1233193;1439197853;shinohai;That was the premise for an episode of "Better Call Saul". Happens quite often here in teh US too.
1233194;1439197881;punkman;it's a common scam
1233195;1439197974;shinohai;Of course, I'm not a senior but was quite outraged at the cost of everyday items my last hospital stay.
1233196;1439197991;shinohai;$100 for some goddamned kleenex
1233197;1439198024;punkman;greece hasn't reach that level of ridiculousness yet, but all hospital supplies are way overpriced
1233198;1439198118;shinohai;It's cheaper for me to hire a private nurse. I get better care and don't have to be in a filthy hospital.
1233199;1439198283;punkman;they just came out with "food stamps" in the form of ATM cards reloaded monthly with 70-200eur
1233200;1439198334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00060978 = 27.1352 BTC [-] {2} 
1233201;1439198347;punkman;and apparently they've spent about 10mil euros in 11 days through the cards
1233202;1439198500;shinohai;There is a whole black market (pun intended) for food stamps/drugs here.
1233203;1439198501;cazalla;shinohai, a stay in hospital is pretty well subsidised here if you go public and don't mind the total lack of service, or you can go private (we don't really have pre-existing condition stuff here.. if you take out private health insurance, any pre-existing condition is covered after 12 months)
1233204;1439198579;BingoBoingo;http://imagehaul.com/thehauls/f425941a9fa87cc472c38fe5418c0b2837cc6405.jpg
1233205;1439198581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISDiwP )
1233206;1439198593;shinohai;LOLZ
1233207;1439198615;punkman;heh
1233208;1439198639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15899 @ 0.00060582 = 9.6319 BTC [-]
1233209;1439198645;shinohai;http://40.media.tumblr.com/5c7beee60375c2c2f0557414fd61e1cc/tumblr_myzddryn2l1ritdbzo1_500.png
1233210;1439198646;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISDw6Z )
1233211;1439198845;shinohai;Also, this shit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148679.0
1233212;1439198847;assbot;DOWNLOAD: Bitcoin XT 0.11A is now released (bigger blocks support) ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdBolo )
1233213;1439199168;punkman;who's the icebreaker fellow
1233214;1439199170;Naphex;shinohai: roflmao :]
1233215;1439199238;shinohai;I dunno, but I like his style
1233216;1439199371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84350 @ 0.00063433 = 53.5057 BTC [+] {5} 
1233217;1439199711;cazalla;you'd think hearn and co would at least put up a few dozen extra xt nodes to fool people into thinking the mass of /r/bitcoin posts demanding xt discussion are legit
1233218;1439199867;shinohai;http://xtnodes.com/  still shows only ~125
1233219;1439199869;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
1233220;1439200253;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/leverage/
1233221;1439200254;assbot;Leverage ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdIGpq )
1233222;1439200394;cazalla;zzz 6am start :\
1233223;1439200591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00063572 = 7.2154 BTC [+]
1233224;1439201506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00060701 = 7.102 BTC [-]
1233225;1439202604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00063722 = 30.0449 BTC [+] {5} 
1233226;1439202796;kakobrekla;programmers
1233227;1439203031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104600 @ 0.0006379 = 66.7243 BTC [+] {6} 
1233228;1439203180;BingoBoingo;Pro-Grammar
1233229;1439203214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00064069 = 19.3168 BTC [+] {4} 
1233230;1439203294;shinohai;I'm Pro-Hammer
1233231;1439203306;*;shinohai because hammers can fix anything.
1233232;1439203824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72616 @ 0.00061604 = 44.7344 BTC [-]
1233233;1439205044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31558 @ 0.00060978 = 19.2434 BTC [-] {4} 
1233234;1439205662;shinohai;http://www.businessinsider.com/berkshire-hathaway-to-buy-precision-castparts-2015-8   O.o
1233235;1439205663;assbot;Berkshire Hathaway to buy Precision Castparts - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1ht6q7P )
1233236;1439206691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00060285 = 12.1173 BTC [-] {3} 
1233237;1439208155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.00059743 = 35.7861 BTC [-] {5} 
1233238;1439209497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40920 @ 0.00060678 = 24.8294 BTC [+]
1233239;1439209741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00059632 = 17.174 BTC [-]
1233240;1439210107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5837 @ 0.0005963 = 3.4806 BTC [-] {2} 
1233241;1439210168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15463 @ 0.00059384 = 9.1825 BTC [-]
1233242;1439210229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00059384 = 29.9295 BTC [-]
1233243;1439212242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50240 @ 0.00060678 = 30.4846 BTC [+]
1233244;1439212608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39505 @ 0.00060678 = 23.9708 BTC [+]
1233245;1439213776;shinohai;http://3dprint.com/87970/liberator-injunction-denied/
1233246;1439213777;assbot;Cody Wilson Denied Requested Injunction in His Ongoing 3D Printed Gun Lawsuit - 3DPrint.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlhzSc )
1233247;1439214438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14549 @ 0.00059905 = 8.7156 BTC [-] {2} 
1233248;1439214926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00060601 = 27.8765 BTC [+] {2} 
1233249;1439215353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00060678 = 5.8858 BTC [+]
1233250;1439216817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00059384 = 9.2045 BTC [-]
1233251;1439217319;funkenstein_;The full orchestra!  :)  Fedora-20-x64
1233252;1439217355;shinohai;\o/
1233253;1439217381;funkenstein_;TEST2 script took some of the fun out of it, thing has the gameplay of "progress quest"
1233254;1439217433;gernika;phf: eulora built!  Crashes though: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/crashdump.txt
1233255;1439217435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZuBoE )
1233256;1439217459;gernika;;;later tell phf eulora built!  Crashes though: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/crashdump.txt
1233257;1439217460;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZuBoE )
1233258;1439217460;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1233259;1439217754;funkenstein_;Bundesministerium f�r Landesverteidigung und Sport <-- doesn't seem an obvious target of diddled crypto
1233260;1439217910;funkenstein_;"the State Department�s order to remove the digital files of his 3D printable handgun from his website"  <-- good strategy.  Fight the enemy over their demand for time machine, keep them busy and away from live targets
1233261;1439218073;funkenstein_;I think they should publish on court website exactly the number which they forbid to be published just so we all know not to publish it
1233262;1439218159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00060595 = 23.8138 BTC [+] {5} 
1233263;1439218164;shinohai;xD
1233264;1439219013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00061701 = 29.6782 BTC [+] {4} 
1233265;1439219900;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/man-shot-by-police-in-ferguson-after-he-fired-at/article_baaf86fd-2de0-53a7-b840-1941159aa5c7.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-teens-walking-near-michael-brown-memorial-wounded-in-ferguson/article_5856e193-045f-5bf7-80c9-e0a96c621baf.html
1233266;1439219901;assbot;Man shot by police in Ferguson after he fired at officers, police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MY5Yvo )
1233267;1439219903;assbot;Two teens walking near Michael Brown memorial wounded in Ferguson drive-by shooting : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MY606o )
1233268;1439220782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58602 @ 0.00059009 = 34.5805 BTC [-] {6} 
1233269;1439220853;shinohai;Ferguson burns down in 3...2..1
1233270;1439220885;wilbns;BingoBoingo: thanks for following-up... yeah, some stuff did seem a little strange w/ greenwald. also, not sure if you perceived this, but from my perspective, parts of the doc seemed a little scripted or rehearsed.
1233271;1439221151;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1233272;1439222070;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233251 << congrats funkenstein_ !
1233273;1439222070;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 14:35:19; funkenstein_: The full orchestra!  :)  Fedora-20-x64
1233274;1439222377;shinohai;ascii_field: mod6 and I having an unusual bug on Ubuntu 14.04 http://dpaste.com/1PCQ44J.txt
1233275;1439222378;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZTu31 )
1233276;1439222400;shinohai;!up n6
1233277;1439222533;n6;ascii_field: we talked about DETERMINISTIC builds the other day would that be somehting like Distcc too on gentoo where you can build something on x86 for arm?
1233278;1439222622;n6;let me rephrase, that doesn't make any sense sorry.
1233279;1439222688;shinohai;Something like that, though I still can't make cross-compilation work. I'm not the wizard ascii_field is.
1233280;1439222734;ascii_field;shinohai: i don't see an error
1233281;1439222743;ascii_field;i see harmless -Wall barf
1233282;1439222800;ascii_field;n6, shinohai: search the ml for 'pogotron'. yes, buildroot builds for arm, mips, whatever
1233283;1439222810;n6;ascii_field: I want to build gentoo using a x86 but for an armv7a, using something like distcc? would that make the builds DETERMINISTIC since everything you would need would be included?
1233284;1439222816;ascii_field;see above
1233285;1439222825;n6;what does ml mean here?
1233286;1439222829;ascii_field;i posted a working example of this months ago
1233287;1439222830;shinohai;mod6 says it builds a binary but won't run. As soon as mine completes I'll confirm.
1233288;1439222851;ascii_field;n6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
1233289;1439222853;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
1233290;1439222856;shinohai;I did the pogotron thing and still wound up with a x86 binary
1233291;1439222868;ascii_field;prolly didn't copy the config
1233292;1439222873;ascii_field;otherwise can't fathom how.
1233293;1439222984;phf;!up ascii_field
1233294;1439223066;phf;gernika: can you also give me a log of $(eulora_brew --prefix eulora)/euclient.app/Contents/MacOS/euclient > euclient-run.log 2>&1
1233295;1439223088;phf;err, $(brew --prefix eulora)/euclient.app/Contents/MacOS/euclient  > euclient-run.log 2>&1
1233296;1439223161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00058836 = 14.4442 BTC [-] {2} 
1233297;1439223233;n6;ascii_field: why should I check both sigs here, and how?
1233298;1439223381;ascii_field;n6: please do your homework
1233299;1439223393;ascii_field;n6: i.e. 'why to check sigs' is a question you should be able to answer
1233300;1439223606;n6;ascii_field: yea this gentoo thing has me under a lot of pressure, working on going down a more sane path today. Homework first then attack the problem, last few days tried attacking first and it hasnt worked out.
1233301;1439223633;ascii_field;n6: relax.
1233302;1439223721;shinohai;If you have to ask "why check sigs" then I can't even begin ....
1233303;1439223804;n6;ascii_field: How do I check his key here? Only see yours.
1233304;1439223836;ascii_field;download a copy of the key
1233305;1439223845;ascii_field;(from sks, for example)
1233306;1439223874;ascii_field;can also use gpg --recv-key [keyid]
1233307;1439223980;n6;thanks thats what I was looking for.
1233308;1439224066;n6;ascii_field: tried to import your key to just to test and get http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ
1233309;1439224067;assbot;dpaste: 3VRBYWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXnVL )
1233310;1439224098;ascii_field;use gpg 1.4
1233311;1439224128;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ << lulzy
1233312;1439224129;assbot;dpaste: 3VRBYWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXnVL )
1233313;1439224129;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1233314;1439224137;*;mircea_popescu waves
1233315;1439224175;shinohai;kek
1233316;1439224326;shinohai;!up n6
1233317;1439224331;n6;ascii_field: The only way to get that for OS X is to build from source using https://www.gnupg.org/download/ ?
1233318;1439224332;assbot;GnuPG - Download ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXWyM )
1233319;1439224351;ascii_field;n6: or use 'ports', or 'fink'
1233320;1439224362;ascii_field;or get a real computer
1233321;1439224379;n6;I'm working on the real computer thing, its a long road.
1233322;1439224395;mircea_popescu;nuts that it should be.
1233323;1439224442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42431 @ 0.00060953 = 25.863 BTC [+] {3} 
1233324;1439224443;ascii_field;kina like when you had to build own airplane
1233325;1439224464;ascii_field;where did anyone get the idea that this is 'easy' and 'friendly' ?
1233326;1439224494;n6;My wings keep falling off.
1233327;1439224514;punkman;n6, you could also just fix your gpg config
1233328;1439224517;ascii_field;obligatory:
1233329;1439224518;ascii_field;'I'm positively _delighted_ that I can buy consumer products so cheaply and so conveniently, but -- get this -- I'm not in the business of making microwave ovens or wine glasses or books or speakers, but I _do_ expect those who _are_ to have professional tools, so I can buy consumer goods inexpensively with moderately high quality.  I don't _want_ Joe Blows' Homemade Microwave Oven, OK?'
1233330;1439224526;ascii_field;( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3065132899827911@naggum.no.html )
1233331;1439224527;assbot;Re: Why lisp failed in the marketplace - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZYmW2 )
1233332;1439224564;mircea_popescu;ascii_field get out. by the time oil was a central commodity to civilisation for fifty years, it was trivial to get an engine deployed to spec. TO SPEC!!!11
1233333;1439224573;mircea_popescu;by the time electricity was a central commodity, idem.
1233334;1439224573;ascii_field;well yes.
1233335;1439224584;ascii_field;but this time was different.
1233336;1439224588;mircea_popescu;fucking computation has to be special because all the fucktards wanna be important in their own heads and power range around
1233337;1439224589;ascii_field;the tech did not grow up.
1233338;1439224599;mircea_popescu;it was different because libertards.\
1233339;1439224601;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/pVvgyly.jpg
1233340;1439224602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZYxAH )
1233341;1439224605;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if only.
1233342;1439224614;mircea_popescu;which btw, reminds me i came up with an excellent slogan to inhibit the cancer.
1233343;1439224617;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: also because the relevant tech simply did not mature
1233344;1439224630;ascii_field;we're still at the point of the marginal steam-engine planes of 1898
1233345;1439224643;ascii_field;that kind sorta lift off the ground, if no wind
1233346;1439224649;mircea_popescu;whenever you run across one of these "software projects" in bootstrap/qt/whatever the fuck tell them "This is not programming, this is hogramming. Be a pro, don't be a ho."
1233347;1439224649;ascii_field;and go up twenty metres and fall apart
1233348;1439224655;mircea_popescu;because srsly, pros before hos.
1233349;1439224689;*;mircea_popescu is half tempted to buy github, turn it off and just display that page everywhere.
1233350;1439224697;ascii_field;^ mega-pr0ject
1233351;1439224735;n6;ascii_field: installed ports but still don't see path to gpg infact don't even see a "port" command used https://www.macports.org/install.php "OS X 10.10 Yosemite"
1233352;1439224736;assbot;The MacPorts Project -- Download & Installation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZYNQa )
1233353;1439224736;ascii_field;after that let's buy whitehouse and open pay toilet
1233354;1439224745;mircea_popescu;whitehouse you don't buy, you take.
1233355;1439224747;*;ascii_field head-desks
1233356;1439224754;mircea_popescu;but the general plan is sound. make the place into public urinal.
1233357;1439224767;ascii_field;su had this down to an art
1233358;1439224780;ascii_field;there was a glorious pay toilet across the street from where i grew up
1233359;1439224784;ascii_field;where a cathedral once stood
1233360;1439224796;ascii_field;then the twerps took over in '90s and rebuilt cathedral, aha
1233361;1439224930;gernika;phf: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/euclient-run.log
1233362;1439224931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHExCY )
1233363;1439224932;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1233364;1439225230;n6;ascii_field: I'm install it from the app store.. they don't even have a progress bar hope its installing.
1233365;1439225233;n6;(xcode)
1233366;1439225239;ascii_field;^ !
1233367;1439225247;ascii_field;for fucks sake
1233368;1439225293;n6;ascii_field: anyway I can check to see if its downloading using unix tools and the command line?
1233369;1439225530;mircea_popescu;appstore gpg ?!
1233370;1439225563;chetty;oi vey
1233371;1439225853;ascii_field;http://qntra.net/2015/08/zynga-continues-bleeding/#comment-39432 << interesting
1233372;1439225854;assbot;Zynga Continues Bleeding | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHGuzg )
1233373;1439225864;n6;mircea_popescu: appstore dev tools 2.6gb and no progress bar. going for 6.4 off the website hope the command line tools just installed for later version don't fuck me.
1233374;1439226699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00059783 = 21.761 BTC [-] {3} 
1233375;1439226943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00062379 = 14.5343 BTC [+] {2} 
1233376;1439226975;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1233377;1439226980;phf;for the record i think a secure and verifiable path for receiving a key of person in wot is to ssl connect to freenode using explicit server key, request !shasum wot from assbot, download http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_users.sql.gz, verify its shasum, do `zgrep -oE '\([^)]+phf[^)]+\)' wot_users.sql.gz` (or whatever nick), the second number in the grep output is going to be the key fingerprint, next grep --recv-key <fingerprint>
1233378;1439226981;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl3k1m )
1233379;1439226991;ascii_field;http://www.codeword.xyz/2015/08/09/exploiting-android-users-for-fun-and-profit
1233380;1439226992;assbot;Exploiting Android Users for Fun and Profit | The Code Word ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl3llZ )
1233381;1439227010;ascii_field;'The stuff I worked on in that job was complete horseshit. It provided absolutely zero value to anybody. It existed and was expressly optimized for the sole purpose of exploiting non-tech-savvy computer users to generate undeserved profits.'
1233382;1439227130;punkman;why undeserved?
1233383;1439227194;phf;*gpg --recv-key <fingerprint>
1233384;1439227302;diametric;punkman: the people paying his employer for their ad services were not getting return on those ads.
1233385;1439227304;phf;the first part of that process is dodgiest, since there's no way to ensure that it's assbot that's handing out shasums
1233386;1439227323;punkman;diametric: maybe
1233387;1439228163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42476 @ 0.00059619 = 25.3238 BTC [-] {3} 
1233388;1439228336;trinque;!up n6
1233389;1439228405;trinque;phf: might be nice to make a deed of a big wad of public keys
1233390;1439228425;trinque;someone who went to the conference and signed them, for example
1233391;1439228479;n6;anyone here used flink? Do I want to build all packages locally or is using binary distribution going to work ok for gpg?
1233392;1439228517;punkman;compiling your own gpg won't fix your problem
1233393;1439228750;shinohai;http://redd.it/3gdad5    <<< genial
1233394;1439228752;assbot;[META] On hardforking: If Bitcoin is so vulnerable to reddit posts and a man who codes in the open, that it requires censorship to stay safe, perhaps it is destined for doom after all. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl9kHI )
1233395;1439228932;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1233396;1439228951;ascii_field;shinohai: gotta love the tards - thief screams 'stop, thief'
1233397;1439228963;ascii_field;mike hearn as a courageous fighter against nsa !
1233398;1439228985;ascii_field;'stand up against crippled 1mb coin!'
1233399;1439229078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37918 @ 0.00062336 = 23.6366 BTC [+] {2} 
1233400;1439229115;shinohai;pffft
1233401;1439229223;shinohai;"we'll make our own bitcoin, with blackjack and hookers."
1233402;1439229347;trinque;so, /r/bitcoin has an anti-XT mod?
1233403;1439229351;trinque;that at least is surprising
1233404;1439229586;shinohai;I am surprised that theymos is supposedly calling XT and altcoin.
1233405;1439229737;trinque;interesting; fine gentlemen right here made that case what, months ago?
1233406;1439229931;shinohai;http://blog.lifars.com/2015/08/10/microsoft-raises-bug-bounty-program-reward-to-100000/
1233407;1439229933;assbot;Microsoft Raises Bug Bounty Program Reward to $100,000! | LIFARS ... ( http://bit.ly/1TldNdq )
1233408;1439229944;shinohai;^ Windows 10 is one big bug, pay me pl0x
1233409;1439230108;trinque;heh, then they turn around and sell them to the govt at a handsome profit?
1233410;1439230125;trinque;nice business microsoft has there
1233411;1439230281;mats;this is a good move on microsoft's part
1233412;1439230380;trinque;sure, but I have to give them shit.
1233413;1439230439;Adlai;wywialm: https://quedex.net/doc/margins#liquidation "all your your open positions"
1233414;1439230440;assbot;Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DD4fZE )
1233415;1439230482;mats;yes, i know, everyone in #b-a is edgy
1233416;1439230490;trinque;oh stahp
1233417;1439230498;trinque;making fun of microsoft is edgy now?
1233418;1439230500;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/41G8spw.png   <<< how 2 defeat Microsoft/NSA
1233419;1439230501;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DD4pjy )
1233420;1439230518;trinque;but if we must have an adult conversation, Nadella at least seems like he's making changes
1233421;1439230592;trinque;shinohai: now that's edgy
1233422;1439230619;shinohai;^^
1233423;1439230725;mircea_popescu;phf alternatively you can just download a possibly dirty key, use it, then once you get to know the person ask them to verify it
1233424;1439230734;mircea_popescu;if you find it doesn't match you got a good story for a blogpost.
1233425;1439230781;mircea_popescu;punkman the entire "online ad" industry is fundamentally predicated on "we can sell bot traffic to idiots"
1233426;1439230821;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is bitcoin vulnerable to reddit posts ?
1233427;1439230828;mircea_popescu;the twerps drinking their own splooge again ?
1233428;1439230862;mircea_popescu;ascii_field kinda old & stale by now, but hey, if it's all they got... it's all they got.
1233429;1439230952;wywialm;Adlai, unfortunately, yes - there is much room for improvements and we hope to add more forgiving liquidation scheme before or soon after real launch
1233430;1439230992;wywialm;i thought that it is better to publish the exchange as soon as bossible to collect feedback such as yours
1233431;1439230993;mircea_popescu;incidentally, no, that is the correct approach.
1233432;1439231004;mircea_popescu;if you get liquidated, you get liquidated for everything you own
1233433;1439231010;mircea_popescu;and, ideally, you're not allowed back in, either.
1233434;1439231014;mircea_popescu;so don't get liquidated.
1233435;1439231031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3006 @ 0.00062128 = 1.8676 BTC [-]
1233436;1439231045;mircea_popescu;it is not the exchange's job to manage people's capital allocation.
1233437;1439231056;mircea_popescu;it IS the exchange's job to punish the incompetent wannabes.
1233438;1439231092;wywialm;mircea_popescu, well, that *is* insightful - i would be very glad if speculators acknowledged this
1233439;1439231113;mircea_popescu;they'll acknowledge it just as soon as they don't have an option.
1233440;1439231163;wywialm;you definitely made me think twice on this issue
1233441;1439231203;*;danielpbarron got liquidated on bitcoinica
1233442;1439231204;mircea_popescu;as a matter of principle - modern finance is mostly a bunch of entitled imbeciles trying for the lowest-effort approach. ideally, if they could just open a sack and money fell in kthx.
1233443;1439231216;mircea_popescu;ther problem with this is that the actual work keeps being pushed on things that can't actually do it.
1233444;1439231238;mircea_popescu;it's unsanitary - to make money you gotta do something useful.
1233445;1439231249;mircea_popescu;if you don't really want to do anything, go webcam.
1233446;1439231253;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1233447;1439231262;ascii_field; to make money you gotta do something useful. << orly
1233448;1439231268;mircea_popescu;yes.
1233449;1439231288;ascii_field;on mircea_popescu's planet, perhaps
1233450;1439231311;ascii_field;on mine, big money is made, 999 times of 1000, by theft or scam.
1233451;1439231319;trinque;if you gain dollars, but lose purchasing power, are you making money?
1233452;1439231320;mircea_popescu;looky here : copybook headings aren't gonna change through human effort. be it positive "har har, we're so good" or negative "har har, i'm a cynicist so this works now".
1233453;1439231323;mircea_popescu;it just doesn't work that way.
1233454;1439231328;Adlai;wywialm: i'm not complaining about the scheme, but rather the copyediting :)
1233455;1439231339;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you're roughly doing the equivalent to the "black supremacy" captioning you know.
1233456;1439231349;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics, sure.
1233457;1439231370;wywialm;mircea_popescu, yes, you are right - Quedex has issues that are more urgent than making mismanagement of risk pleasant
1233458;1439231372;mircea_popescu;nobody cancelled thermodynamics and the worst thing you can do with your head is chase local maxima.
1233459;1439231390;mircea_popescu;yeah, im sure in some soap bubble somehwere picket fences works!!1
1233460;1439231393;ascii_field;except that this is why living things even ~have~ heads
1233461;1439231394;mircea_popescu;who cares ? srsly. who ?
1233462;1439231397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00061195 = 24.6616 BTC [-]
1233463;1439231401;ascii_field;to chase maxima.
1233464;1439231401;mircea_popescu;yes. so ?
1233465;1439231414;mircea_popescu;difference between humans and lions is that humans chase global maxima
1233466;1439231416;wywialm;Adlai, oh, i didn't even notice - thanks for that!
1233467;1439231417;ascii_field;picket fence ?
1233468;1439231419;mircea_popescu;lions just get shot.
1233469;1439231425;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the usian ideal thing.
1233470;1439231432;mircea_popescu;which is not either ideal or even desirable.
1233471;1439231435;ascii_field;hm
1233472;1439231444;ascii_field;ideal as in it keeps the indians out ?
1233473;1439231450;mircea_popescu;;;google picket fences
1233474;1439231451;ascii_field;or am i confusing fences
1233475;1439231451;gribble;Picket Fences (TV Series 1992–1996) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103512/>; Picket Fences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picket_Fences>; Picket Fences - TV.com: <http://www.tv.com/shows/picket-fences/>
1233476;1439231483;ascii_field;'The series follows the lives of the residents of the small town of Rome, Wisconsin, where weird things happen, including cows' udders exploding and a spate of people turning up dead in freezers. Struggling to maintain order in the community is Sheriff Jimmy Brock...'
1233477;1439231484;ascii_field;l0l
1233478;1439231485;mircea_popescu;check it out they made a show
1233479;1439231515;mircea_popescu;before fucking tv executives tried to turn it into money, the expression denoted the sort of crammed, unsanitary, sexually repressed housing usians lived in post ww2 and brtught up the boomers.
1233480;1439231526;mircea_popescu;"suburbia", the 1960s variant.
1233481;1439231532;ascii_field;ah - levittowns.
1233482;1439231537;mircea_popescu;right
1233483;1439231541;mircea_popescu;where "the graudate" happened.
1233484;1439231546;mircea_popescu;ten thousand billion times.
1233485;1439231549;ascii_field;them!
1233486;1439231565;ascii_field;cult period in usa
1233487;1439231587;ascii_field;like the early '80s in su, with caviar and japanese tape decks
1233488;1439231598;ascii_field;mega-nostalgiatron
1233489;1439231616;mircea_popescu;utter trash, too.
1233490;1439231665;ascii_field;to folks growing up in shit, 'trash' is an upgrade
1233491;1439231682;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
1233492;1439231721;mircea_popescu;"you can take the girl out of the trash, but you can't take the trash out of the girl principally because she perceives all the alternatives are shit"
1233493;1439231742;trinque;now you've got: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/1168/9749/8m/media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/mcmansion-subdivision.jpg
1233494;1439231744;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgYhPh )
1233495;1439231760;shinohai;McMansions
1233496;1439231765;trinque;I used to imagine a robot came and pressed these out of the ground one by one
1233497;1439231803;wywialm;i was asked if i can give voice here - is it still true that only people in assbot L1 WoT may give voice?
1233498;1439231818;ascii_field;trinque: they are made largely of, approximately, papier mache.
1233499;1439231827;trinque;yup
1233500;1439231843;trinque;I grew up in the Biggest and Best "master planned community" in TX
1233501;1439231848;Adlai;wywialm: anybody in L2 can !up somenewbie, which gives them temporary voice; anybody in L1 can !rate somenewbie, putting them in L2 and enabling them to self-voice
1233502;1439231865;trinque;!up n6
1233503;1439231894;n6;ascii_field: I installed 1.4 gpg but am still getting the same error as before http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ
1233504;1439231895;assbot;dpaste: 3VRBYWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXnVL )
1233505;1439231907;wywialm;Adlai, thanks again
1233506;1439231911;mircea_popescu;"So my new little desktop app, which was quickly distributed to millions of unsuspecting checkbox-ignoring users, would �borrow� their existing Google session by reading their browser cookies, then invisibly �click� that App Store install button for them on apps that were paying us for distribution."
1233507;1439231911;mircea_popescu;heh.
1233508;1439231912;n6;googling around it seems like I might need a cert but don't really understand what its asking for.
1233509;1439231931;ascii_field;what is this nonsense with sks using ssl anyway
1233510;1439231939;ascii_field;i mean, wtf
1233511;1439231951;trinque;gotta link everything to openssl
1233512;1439231953;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: do we have a civilized keyserv yet
1233513;1439231955;ascii_field;or do i have to
1233514;1439231963;mircea_popescu;not afaik.
1233515;1439231966;ascii_field;because this is fucking retarded
1233516;1439231971;mircea_popescu;not a priority either.
1233517;1439231978;mircea_popescu;eh just relax.
1233518;1439231986;*;mircea_popescu bbl
1233519;1439232151;n6;ascii_field: Not sure I understand would turning off ssl fix this?
1233520;1439232495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1000 @ 0.00208192 = 2.0819 BTC
1233521;1439232556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.0006191 = 28.2619 BTC [+] {5} 
1233522;1439232800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.0006114 = 20.1456 BTC [-] {3} 
1233523;1439233105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 5000 @ 0.00208192 = 10.4096 BTC
1233524;1439233227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 2450 @ 0.00208192 = 5.1007 BTC
1233525;1439233715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5306 @ 0.00060438 = 3.2068 BTC [-]
1233526;1439234630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34739 @ 0.00061971 = 21.5281 BTC [+] {3} 
1233527;1439234780;wywialm;bye
1233528;1439235652;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1233529;1439235656;gribble;Current Blocks: 369298 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 1645 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.53083
1233530;1439236559;trinque;!up thestringpuller
1233531;1439236574;trinque;thestringpuller: good afternoon
1233532;1439237253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48260 @ 0.00061681 = 29.7673 BTC [-]
1233533;1439238113;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1233534;1439238122;ascii_field;http://media.indiatimes.in/media/content/2015/Jan/capture_1421756730.jpg << vintage lulz. run moar winblowz ce !
1233535;1439238124;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gtZPsU )
1233536;1439238656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56812 @ 0.00058826 = 33.4202 BTC [-] {3} 
1233537;1439238693;trinque;Think OPSEC!
1233538;1439238695;trinque;lol
1233539;1439238734;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3gg5v8/i_switched_to_bitcoinxt_to_protest_today_incident/
1233540;1439238735;assbot;I switched to bitcoinxt to protest today incident : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1J719iv )
1233541;1439238778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00062164 = 22.3169 BTC [+] {4} 
1233542;1439238878;trinque;which reminds me
1233543;1439238884;trinque;those bastards at Just5 did not reply
1233544;1439238895;shinohai;Read: It's ok if we censor debate *contrary* to XT
1233545;1439238912;trinque;I suppose I am a filthy american who does not deserve fine Slovenian engineering, and Moscow design
1233546;1439238916;shinohai;But don't do it to us, we'll melt down like tumblrinas
1233547;1439238919;ascii_field;wai wut
1233548;1439238923;ascii_field;!s just5
1233549;1439238923;assbot;2 results for 'just5' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=just5
1233550;1439238935;trinque;ascii_field: pretty looking dumbphone I was considering
1233551;1439238954;ascii_field;what's wrong with the chinese 'credit card phones' ?
1233552;1439238961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00062605 = 31.8033 BTC [+] {8} 
1233553;1439238969;trinque;http://www.just5.com/worldwide/en/brick/brick-red
1233554;1439238971;assbot;Brick Red ... ( http://bit.ly/1J71wtB )
1233555;1439238994;trinque;nothing in particular; I am still in the market for a suitable dumbphone
1233556;1439238998;ascii_field;huge piece of shit
1233557;1439239003;ascii_field;what'd the point ?
1233558;1439239003;trinque;they all are
1233559;1439239008;ascii_field;no
1233560;1439239038;ascii_field;e.g., http://wholesale.buysku.com/Electronics-image/2013-12/Mooc-M33-One-SIM-Quad-band-Ultra-thin-Mini-Credit-Card-sized-GSM-Cell-Phone-with-Bluetooth-MP3-FM-TF-Slot-White-6352177396313517551.JPG
1233561;1439239040;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J71EJp )
1233562;1439239054;trinque;oh, neat
1233563;1439239058;ascii_field;a dozen makers of this. about $20, give or take, in usa
1233564;1439239091;trinque;extent of the thing's responsibilites are "yes I am still alive" and "yes I will go check out that server"
1233565;1439239097;trinque;considered a beeper even
1233566;1439239115;ascii_field;the slovenian thing is a 'hemingwriter'
1233567;1439239131;kakobrekla;fine Slovenian engineering < last phone of this sorts was 'eta 80' afaik
1233568;1439239133;ascii_field;kinda like a medieval reenactment party ~complete with black death~
1233569;1439239144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20640 @ 0.00060793 = 12.5477 BTC [-]
1233570;1439239145;ascii_field;there is no reason for '90s bricks.
1233571;1439239179;trinque;I was joking about fine slovenian engineering
1233572;1439239186;*;kakobrekla wasnt!
1233573;1439239190;trinque;thing looks like lunchbox plastic
1233574;1439239206;punkman;they are just rebranded chinese phones
1233575;1439239214;punkman;you can get them from the source
1233576;1439239232;trinque;that credit card phone is appealing
1233577;1439239237;punkman;the brick doesn't look too bad though, I don't think it's big
1233578;1439239250;punkman;credit card phone comes with small battery
1233579;1439239273;ascii_field;enough for a few days
1233580;1439239280;ascii_field;srsly how big do you need it
1233581;1439239342;punkman;oh ok http://img.artlebedev.com/everything/just5/just5-in-hand.jpg
1233582;1439239343;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu2frC )
1233583;1439239357;punkman;that is definitely bigger than I thought
1233584;1439239364;ascii_field;astonishing turd.
1233585;1439239376;punkman;the other just5 models are regular size I think
1233586;1439239382;ascii_field;not like they don't all use approximately same chipset
1233587;1439239439;kakobrekla;you can still get nokias that dont run android
1233588;1439239442;kakobrekla;new ones
1233589;1439239450;ascii_field;fuck proprietary chargers.
1233590;1439239451;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03DfcjGnQg this looks fine
1233591;1439239452;assbot;Mobiset.ru: Just5 CP09 review - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu2tiA )
1233592;1439239547;kakobrekla;lol chargers
1233593;1439239566;kakobrekla;phone costs 20bux, standby time 30 days
1233594;1439239573;kakobrekla;buy new one each time, no need to charge.
1233595;1439239583;ascii_field;30 days unless you ~use~ it...
1233596;1439239589;ascii_field;(horrors)
1233597;1439239594;*;kakobrekla doesnt use it.
1233598;1439239623;ascii_field;carries it as blunt weapon ?
1233599;1439239695;kakobrekla;yeah, like hammer.
1233600;1439239745;ascii_field;then - perfect.
1233601;1439239763;trinque;removable battery is important
1233602;1439239772;trinque;buttons that aren't impossible would be nice
1233603;1439239789;trinque;other than that, don't care, and would rather not be obligated to carry one
1233604;1439239797;kakobrekla;buttons?
1233605;1439239806;trinque;yeah I don't need no stinking touch screen
1233606;1439239808;kakobrekla;you just need one.
1233607;1439239907;trinque;!up n6
1233608;1439239911;trinque;n6: what's up?
1233609;1439239922;TheNewDeal;slightly off topic. anyone have favorite chess problem set?
1233610;1439239977;trinque;!up ascii_field
1233611;1439240007;n6;still working on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html but not sure about my next step.. seems like my os is holding me back, still trying to build my spaceship but it starts with having sane tools maybe debian on the laptop then i can build this on the begalbone and then build the gentoo on the desktop?
1233612;1439240008;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
1233613;1439240049;trinque;n6: sounds like you are taking on too much at once.
1233614;1439240050;n6;I'm not sure if debian is going to be any better then this.
1233615;1439240079;trinque;you need to focus on a single linux environment and get a foothold there
1233616;1439240079;kakobrekla;step 1: get your wototron in order (or not)
1233617;1439240145;n6;kakobrekla: I don't know what you mean.
1233618;1439240146;shinohai;Which I why I suggested earlier he get a sane linux to get started.
1233619;1439240156;trinque;!h
1233620;1439240156;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1233621;1439240158;trinque;n6: ^
1233622;1439240159;kakobrekla;n6 your keys are all fucked is what i mean
1233623;1439240181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00061481 = 19.4895 BTC [+] {3} 
1233624;1439240187;trinque;rather, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1233625;1439240188;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
1233626;1439240198;n6;kakobrekla: yea I lost my old key, and am trying to find my way back the right way.
1233627;1439240204;kakobrekla;fuckin assbot and his unhelpful help
1233628;1439240208;trinque;lol
1233629;1439240250;trinque;!gettrust n6
1233630;1439240250;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/
1233631;1439240252;kakobrekla;n6 that would prolly be a good step 1
1233632;1439240299;trinque;gonna have to be n7 now
1233633;1439240306;kakobrekla;lol
1233634;1439240308;n6;I hope not.
1233635;1439240308;shinohai;kek
1233636;1439240322;kakobrekla;you dont have your key anymore ?
1233637;1439240326;n6;nope.
1233638;1439240328;kakobrekla;what else then
1233639;1439240336;TheNewDeal;losr car key as well
1233640;1439240347;n6;I had something in mind, but not sure anymore.
1233641;1439240347;TheNewDeal;completely key less
1233642;1439240359;kakobrekla;call nsa for backupz?
1233643;1439240371;n6;I need to my sane sitaution in order before I can join the wot
1233644;1439240373;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/2015/08/10/google-is-reorganizing-under-a-new-umbrella-company-called-alphabet/
1233645;1439240374;assbot;Google is reorganizing under a new umbrella company called Alphabet ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu4pYn )
1233646;1439240388;shinohai;^ alphabet with a few letters: nsa, fbi, etc
1233647;1439240414;trinque;!b 2
1233648;1439240414;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11NGPES.txt )
1233649;1439240486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82879 @ 0.00062749 = 52.0057 BTC [+] {4} 
1233650;1439240704;ascii_field;snore.
1233651;1439240722;ascii_field;they can rename to 'fuckyou inc.' and what difference will it make to anyone ?
1233652;1439240730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117800 @ 0.00058956 = 69.4502 BTC [-] {9} 
1233653;1439241136;n6;I still need support with Pogotron would you mind helping me some more ascii_field not sure what i'm doing and everytime the help dries up my progress stops.
1233654;1439241165;trinque;n6: what's called for there is you going and doing research at the points where you get stuck
1233655;1439241170;trinque;and that may take some time
1233656;1439241192;trinque;even if you end up with a working pogo, if you don't understand the steps which resulted in that, you've gained very little
1233657;1439241263;n6;I don't see buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch in the list of files.
1233658;1439241327;n6;nvm.
1233659;1439241366;wilbns;http://thenextweb.com/2015/08/10/google-is-reorganizing-under-a-new-umbrella-company-called-alphabet/
1233660;1439241367;assbot;Google is reorganizing under a new umbrella company called Alphabet ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu4pYn )
1233661;1439241401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00059582 = 5.0049 BTC [+]
1233662;1439241404;trinque;wilbns: yes, that was linked not 20min ago
1233663;1439241414;wilbns;ahhh i see it
1233664;1439241425;wilbns;sorry about that
1233665;1439241440;wilbns;shinohai: nice catch
1233666;1439241468;shinohai;>.>
1233667;1439241484;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143922226922228&w=2
1233668;1439241486;assbot;'Re: Repartitioning' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1J76uXe )
1233669;1439241487;wilbns;i dunno how i missed that in front of my eyes
1233670;1439241523;TheNewDeal;wilbns https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
1233671;1439241524;assbot;Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip ... ( http://bit.ly/1J76CWy )
1233672;1439241639;wilbns;probably getting alzheimers, it's on both the paternal and maternal side of my fam #great
1233673;1439241679;shinohai;The lawgs and qntra have replaced my newspaper with morning coffee.
1233674;1439241694;n6;i'm getting "patch -pl < buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4_0567b86c55934a8b5d1351b4ccba9306ee3406c3.patch" when running patch -p1 < buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch
1233675;1439241711;n6;"patch: **** strip count l is not a number" *
1233676;1439241731;shinohai;(/_-)
1233677;1439241766;trinque;because it's a fucking L, dude
1233678;1439241767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00059582 = 2.6812 BTC [+]
1233679;1439241774;trinque;!up n6
1233680;1439241788;trinque;go, build ye a gentoo, and read 6mos of logs
1233681;1439241795;trinque;only possible route forward
1233682;1439241825;punkman;it's in the logs http://i.imgur.com/WUPNca3.jpg
1233683;1439241826;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu7Iib )
1233684;1439241842;trinque;damn, now that's a database
1233685;1439241843;shinohai;The logs are searchable yet!
1233686;1439241857;punkman;barely
1233687;1439241890;shinohai;Now the ethereum project will steal that pic punkman and use it on their "cloud-mining" webpage.
1233688;1439242133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0005862 = 7.8258 BTC [-] {2} 
1233689;1439242194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00058914 = 18.6463 BTC [+] {3} 
1233690;1439242731;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/arrested-in-ferguson-protests-downtown-state-of-emergency-declared-in/article_7564c9cb-cc89-58cb-8787-4aaa91bcccaa.html
1233691;1439242733;assbot;57 arrested in Ferguson protests downtown; state of emergency declared in county : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1J78Xkk )
1233692;1439242777;trinque;yep, one shot too, at least so far
1233693;1439242832;BingoBoingo;USG agitators slacking on their Purge incitement
1233694;1439243210;BingoBoingo;Though the 911 salon got looted again last night
1233695;1439243443;BingoBoingo;When I went to get cigarettes earlier the Proprietor was being interviewed on KMOX. Sounded very close to going full Uncle Ruckus.
1233696;1439243827;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1233697;1439243963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48808 @ 0.00058597 = 28.6 BTC [-] {4} 
1233698;1439244512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00062389 = 8.5473 BTC [+]
1233699;1439244695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58350 @ 0.00059787 = 34.8857 BTC [-] {4} 
1233700;1439245134;shinohai;!up n6
1233701;1439245162;shinohai;Further !ups will cost you 0.005 per until you get in wot like everyone else.
1233702;1439245204;n6;Ok im going to install gentoo and get into the wot
1233703;1439245279;shinohai;>.>
1233704;1439245338;shinohai;I should charge you for an hour + of my time you wasted this evening at my going rate of 0.15 per
1233705;1439245427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1000 @ 0.00208192 = 2.0819 BTC
1233706;1439245549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00058516 = 10.094 BTC [-] {3} 
1233707;1439245555;mircea_popescu;waitwut
1233708;1439245558;n6;sorry for all the wasted time, still trying to make sense of all this.
1233709;1439245571;trinque;n6: just gotta pick *one* thing and make sense of *that8
1233710;1439245587;trinque;and accept that it may take some time.
1233711;1439245606;shinohai;Pretty simple. Read logs. Don't ask people to help you do one thing, and do another. I have neither the time nor crayons for people like that.
1233712;1439245630;mircea_popescu;aww, he ran alf out ? i was kinda enjoying the spectacle.
1233713;1439245647;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1232854 ... got quite a kick from this
1233714;1439245647;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 00:01:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs
1233715;1439245818;n6;trinque: my issue is i need an ethernet bridge to install gentoo and don't know how to do that.
1233716;1439245839;n6;so maybe debian is my first step
1233717;1439245847;trinque;maybe so
1233718;1439245851;trinque;I dunno what you mean by bridge
1233719;1439245855;trinque;I know what I'd mean, but
1233720;1439245858;trinque;router?
1233721;1439245873;trinque;they're cheap; get one, stick it between your modem and computers
1233722;1439245891;n6;yes.
1233723;1439245892;trinque;then in 6-12mos we can talk about replacing the thing with OpenBSD
1233724;1439245927;trinque;if you keep asking along the way, you're going to get opinions from people which you're not prepared to implement
1233725;1439245936;trinque;do something dumb, iterate on it
1233726;1439245971;trinque;doing something the right way while having no idea how or why you're doing it, you gain nothing
1233727;1439245987;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> there is no reason for '90s bricks. << motorola made them with good enough antenna assemblages you could bash a head in. also the hi q plastics in the casing allowed one to drive mercedes over phone and then use it.
1233728;1439246011;*;shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere ....
1233729;1439246085;mircea_popescu;if only ubuntu weren't fucktarded we could recommend it to noobs.
1233730;1439246137;shinohai;I recommended Debian because he obviously isn't quite experienced enough for Gentoo yet.
1233731;1439246162;shinohai;I'm not sure if Barbie linux would run for him or not.
1233732;1439246201;trinque;sorry fucking state really.
1233733;1439246215;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/WUPNca3.jpg << if one can find any porn more perverse than this...
1233734;1439246216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu7Iib )
1233735;1439246226;mircea_popescu;seriously, that's what the Puritan Fathers would do with young women.
1233736;1439246246;mircea_popescu;max hardcore seems infinitely better a choice.
1233737;1439246309;punkman;more pics http://www.vintag.es/2015/08/pictures-of-fbis-colossal-fingerprint.html
1233738;1439246310;assbot;vintage everyday: Pictures of FBI’s Colossal Fingerprint Filing System During World War II ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmfp4P )
1233739;1439246363;trinque;I find the building beautiful, if the purpose vulgar
1233740;1439246457;punkman;heh http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nqd7Ycp3Ax0/VcDdlyA5xsI/AAAAAAABtBA/4YioUWoGNZk/s1600/Indignant%2Bwoman%252C%2BParis%252C%2B1948.jpg
1233741;1439246457;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmfLIA )
1233742;1439246479;trinque;reminds me of a thread on the relationship between computers and bureaucracy
1233743;1439246482;*;trinque looks for it
1233744;1439246536;mircea_popescu;ftr she's not indignant, she's in shock.
1233745;1439246626;shinohai;To fight all that puritanism: https://giant.gfycat.com/FragrantColdHairstreak.webm
1233746;1439246630;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7h7t9 )
1233747;1439246786;punkman;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8XRT2ZpBny0/VYp33C5eBPI/AAAAAAABnOM/LRqyBTcaqHA/s1600/9.%2BShaving%2BThe%2BHair%2BOf%2BFrench%2BWomen.jpg
1233748;1439246787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7hBzk )
1233749;1439246794;punkman;"After France was liberated toward the end of World War II, French  citizens who had supported the invading German troops in any form were  tracked down and had their heads forcefully shaved as a badge of  dishonor. As many as 20,000 French citizens had their heads shaved in public, the majority of which were women."
1233750;1439246859;shinohai;https://twitter.com/NelsonJeppesen/status/630872710244102145
1233751;1439246889;mircea_popescu;"women that had sex with german officers and enjoyed chocolate and stuff in preference of their poor and worthless countrymen were then brutalized by the later"
1233752;1439247171;BingoBoingo;;;later tell n6 Step 1: Just run OpenBSD for now Step 2: transcribe and build "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code" Step 3: Six monthe of logs should be up, then you may Gentoo
1233753;1439247171;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1233754;1439247219;shinohai;Looks like you got your smokes just in time BingoBoingo
1233755;1439247234;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Oh, what happened nao?
1233756;1439247246;shinohai;Shutting down I-70
1233757;1439247335;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Nah, The Blanchette is between St Louis and Bumfuck Missouri. I-70 Bridge between me and StL is the "Stan Span"
1233758;1439247354;shinohai;Good, you're safe.
1233759;1439247379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19173 @ 0.00058505 = 11.2172 BTC [-]
1233760;1439247379;shinohai;Until the fires start.
1233761;1439247459;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Nah, I am in a very white part of Illinois.
1233762;1439247506;shinohai;I live in a darker area than I'd like, but all-in-all it isn't bad.
1233763;1439247623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32598 @ 0.00059289 = 19.327 BTC [+]
1233764;1439247745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00058423 = 89.5917 BTC [-] {6} 
1233765;1439247748;BingoBoingo;Living in a shittier area would be more fun, but It's nice knowing that the whopping 20 blacks in town don't make this a target for DOJ purge agitation
1233766;1439247866;mircea_popescu;". In spite of Zynga's hemorrhaging wallet and shrinking userbase shares still manage to trade on Nasdaq (archived) at $2.64 per share implying a market cap of $2,072,302,357 on a earnings per share of negative 19 cents."
1233767;1439247867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00058222 = 14.4682 BTC [-]
1233768;1439247868;mircea_popescu;dude...
1233769;1439247870;mircea_popescu;fucking nuts.
1233770;1439247895;shinohai;I have more Hispanics around me than anything. I see ICE agents on a regular basis.
1233771;1439247972;BingoBoingo;Every few years ICE will bust one of the local mexican restaurants or small businesses here.
1233772;1439247989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 300000 @ 0.0000299 = 8.97 BTC [-] {6} 
1233773;1439248017;mircea_popescu;is ice the anti-hispanic agency ?
1233774;1439248034;shinohai;yup, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement
1233775;1439248045;shinohai;https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/07/facebook-tax-refund-scam-earns-arizona-woman-6-years-in-jail/
1233776;1439248047;assbot;Facebook tax refund scam earns Arizona woman 6 years in jail | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmiOjX )
1233777;1439248142;thestringpuller;anyone wanna trade btc for dr. dre's new album?
1233778;1439248151;mircea_popescu;check it out, women in tech
1233779;1439248214;mircea_popescu;hey dbit you there ?
1233780;1439248369;mircea_popescu;"Even if you don't have any money of your own to scam, your data may well be of use to someone, and having your identity abused can mean trouble for you further down the line. So don't make it easy for the crooks - try to stick to sensible and cautious settings on your social media accounts, as far as the providers allow, and avoid sharing anything you wouldn't want the whole world to know."
1233781;1439248385;mircea_popescu;how exactly does this follow ? it really is the govt's problem throughout, why should the cattle care one whit ?
1233782;1439248477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 500 @ 0.00208192 = 1.041 BTC
1233783;1439248654;wilbns; BingoBoingo: my first job was at a car wash in Arkansas, ICE came at least one time I know of, possibly 2 and took some of the Mexicans I was working with away.
1233784;1439248660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00060422 = 7.1902 BTC [+] {2} 
1233785;1439248817;shinohai;It does tons of good. The same people that get deported are back in < 6 months.
1233786;1439248986;trinque;Trump's gonna build the great wall o' Texas; you'll see
1233787;1439248996;trinque;with laser drones
1233788;1439249016;trinque;I have to say watching the guy give speeches is entertaining the shit out of me
1233789;1439249085;mircea_popescu;the part where 'mainstream' media superiorly dismissed some recent speech while popularity shot up was amusing enough.
1233790;1439249086;wilbns;i think the whole subject of illegal immigration and subsequent media coverage is just a big misdirection play to stop people from banding together and asking real questions.
1233791;1439249095;trinque;mircea_popescu: he's clearly doing well
1233792;1439249101;mircea_popescu;what's the woman's name again, i forget. sounds just like a porn star.
1233793;1439249119;trinque;megyn kelly?
1233794;1439249129;trinque;that was the one he implied was on her period
1233795;1439249139;mircea_popescu;ah yea
1233796;1439249153;trinque;he's somehow getting around the political correctness, and people seem to love it
1233797;1439249192;*;punkman hopes "megyn" isn't a name
1233798;1439249205;shinohai;Megynecologist
1233799;1439249210;mircea_popescu;"somehow" = outright and pointedly ignoring it.
1233800;1439249247;mircea_popescu;then derps go "o hello here is where you apologize" and the answer comes "no, this is where i'd fuck your mother, if her cunt didn't stink"
1233801;1439249279;shinohai;She had no qualms about discussing penesis and such with Howard Stern, however.
1233802;1439249280;trinque;haha
1233803;1439249414;mircea_popescu;well, she believes penises are intrinsically superior to vulvas. she may or may not be right, but she's definitely sexist.
1233804;1439249421;mircea_popescu;!up muruc
1233805;1439249462;mats;lol
1233806;1439249506;mats;hearing about the potus run secondhand makes me glad I don't waste cycles thinking about it
1233807;1439249514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00059925 = 4.0407 BTC [-]
1233808;1439249539;mircea_popescu;it's third hand technically. i heard it secondhand myself.
1233809;1439249582;mats;irc is a string and tin cans
1233810;1439249596;wilbns;as long as the masses are rallying to the side of democrats or republicans as their party of choice each election the people who are really in control will keep on having one - and the masses will be left to pick up the tab.
1233811;1439249616;trinque;I don't care much about the presidency, but listening to Trump talk about how weak we look around the world, and having no qualms about being an asshole towards the rest of the machine, that's entertainment.
1233812;1439249637;shinohai;http://blog.coinspect.co/copay-wallet-emptying-vulnerability
1233813;1439249638;assbot;Copay wallet emptying vulnerability | blog.coinspect ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmmFhd )
1233814;1439249640;mircea_popescu;wilbns well obviously ? what's next, the lightbulbs are gonna power the generator ?
1233815;1439249658;mircea_popescu;the masses are the masses. ipso definition they pick the tab and someone else writes the bill.
1233816;1439249681;mircea_popescu;bwahaha shinohai
1233817;1439249690;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo qntra ?
1233818;1439249694;shinohai;Run moar online wallets
1233819;1439249721;mircea_popescu;"Copay is an easy-to-use multi-signature bitcoin wallet developed by BitPay to significantly decrease the risk of Bitcoin theft."
1233820;1439249728;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe? giving it a look real quick
1233821;1439249732;wilbns;mircea_popescu: yes, yet this message is never heard nor processed. it is airgapped.
1233822;1439249748;trinque;wilbns: you're assuming "they" need to hear the "message"
1233823;1439249771;trinque;where in fact it's your perspective on their importance that needs to change
1233824;1439249779;mircea_popescu;wilbns i agree with trinque
1233825;1439249797;mircea_popescu;there's really no space, no need and no benefit from "the people" getting involved in managing other people's affairs.
1233826;1439249802;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: someone stole another one of your ideas: http://signmytits.com/en/preview/1089
1233827;1439249805;mircea_popescu;it'd be splendid if they took a more active role managing theirs.
1233828;1439249823;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller writing on tits can not possibly have been my idea.
1233829;1439249833;mircea_popescu;i've seen it done in egiptian tombs.
1233830;1439249874;wilbns;sorry, not sure i get what part of the perspective needs to change?
1233831;1439249881;thestringpuller;but no writing on boobs for...bitcoin?
1233832;1439249903;wilbns;the masses or tptb?
1233833;1439249958;trinque;wilbns: yours.
1233834;1439249964;wilbns;"their importance" - not sure who they is
1233835;1439249996;trinque;and I'm speaking as someone that went to more than one Ron Paul thing in the 08 election
1233836;1439250012;trinque;there is no great awakening coming; what would that even look like?
1233837;1439250073;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller lmao what a fucking scam srsly... so he has some pictures, pngs text on it, wants to be paid serious dough for this and runs disqus to boot.
1233838;1439250085;mircea_popescu;why does bitcoin attract the cream of the crop of imbecility ?
1233839;1439250159;shinohai;Because without hundreds of features, how you gonna moon?
1233840;1439250170;wilbns;trinque: i liked paul too. perhaps great change will come through cryptography and decentralization
1233841;1439250191;trinque;people are "free" enough today that they could change anything they like
1233842;1439250194;trinque;they don't. why?
1233843;1439250209;trinque;you can go out into the street right now and start a riot, and the cops wont even kill that many people
1233844;1439250254;mircea_popescu;for as long as it's growing they're not killing anyone.
1233845;1439250263;mircea_popescu;that starts after it's gone no where for a year
1233846;1439250269;mircea_popescu;as fergusson illustrates.
1233847;1439250294;mircea_popescu;aka "peaceful protest is dumb - go for numerous protest instead"
1233848;1439250352;trinque;yeah, there could be a tipping point where national guard operations happen
1233849;1439250355;shinohai;The blacklisting begins: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23
1233850;1439250357;assbot;Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmohr0 )
1233851;1439250375;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_racism << pretty great read. wikipedia has (yet another) article on the insanity of sanity.
1233852;1439250376;assbot;Laissez-faire racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmogmV )
1233853;1439250400;mircea_popescu;apparently the best way to not be racist is by being racist in the currently fashionable manner, and so forth.
1233854;1439250414;mircea_popescu;not giving a shit about the stupid preoccupations of the stupid is the worst crime.
1233855;1439250437;mircea_popescu;and in NO CASE can people be responsible for their own lot, because hey, what scope does that live for politicianing!
1233856;1439250488;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: are the bitcoin "business" ideas really that much more stupid than those in bezzle-land?
1233857;1439250505;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1233858;1439250552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00060422 = 3.2326 BTC [+] {2} 
1233859;1439250683;trinque;reminds me a little of that Deepak Chopra guy talking about quantum consciousness
1233860;1439250694;trinque;bitcoin is weird, so you can project whatever nonsensical bullshit you want onto it
1233861;1439250719;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1233862;1439250754;mircea_popescu;"holistic" essentially denotes the inclination of economically driven, socially & intellectually marginal parasites to freely mix and match.
1233863;1439250782;mircea_popescu;they're the equivalent of bacteria, and thus the behaviour is unsurprising - bacteria also survive principally because they're not too careful when exchanging dna bits.
1233864;1439250799;mircea_popescu;consequently, "everything's one" and last year we were lolling at idiots doing "quantum miners".
1233865;1439250802;mircea_popescu;because hey.
1233866;1439250832;mircea_popescu;homeopathic string theory. why the fuck not ? the aloe vera wallet.
1233867;1439250834;mircea_popescu;pot coin.
1233868;1439250836;mircea_popescu;you name it.
1233869;1439250836;trinque;hahaha
1233870;1439250856;*;trinque hooks his quantum miner to his mr fusion
1233871;1439250871;mircea_popescu;they're not even very good at it, incidentally. the space could be trivially ennumerated and then mechanically exploited.
1233872;1439250877;mircea_popescu;"astrological brainwallets"
1233873;1439250892;punkman;that's a pretty good one :D
1233874;1439250916;mircea_popescu;"add this magnetic strip to your miner and save 3-50% electricity by the refocusing of positron rings"
1233875;1439251049;mircea_popescu;mostly a disease of "visual thinkers", as illustrated by the poor job they do at covering the actual space.
1233876;1439251224;mircea_popescu;i suppose the proper nomenclature would be "creative people [that never learned any math]", tho the tail's usually omitted.
1233877;1439251344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00060423 = 7.9154 BTC [+]
1233878;1439251586;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMFhnqXWgAQ53OJ.jpg
1233879;1439251586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmqdQw )
1233880;1439253175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 242200 @ 0.0001 = 24.22 BTC [+] {2} 
1233881;1439254386;mircea_popescu;soo, f16 in turkey now huh.
1233882;1439255502;mircea_popescu;https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-181800-p-2.html << this shit's just as lulzy as 2 years ago.
1233883;1439255503;assbot;Bitcoin Giveaway [Archive]  - Page 2 - Stripper Web Exotic Dancer Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1IAxKdh )
1233884;1439255624;mircea_popescu;"we don't believe in bears because we work on commission for our lively. hood."
1233885;1439255737;mats;meanwhile, to my knowledge, assad still hasn't given approval for strikes against ISIS inside syria
1233886;1439255758;mircea_popescu;they're mostly doing iraq border
1233887;1439255899;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233737 << all these grunt labour slots - now freed up so folks can derp on reddit, aha
1233888;1439255899;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 22:38:29; punkman: more pics http://www.vintag.es/2015/08/pictures-of-fbis-colossal-fingerprint.html
1233889;1439255926;asciilifeform;(also shows how usg police state was already firmly in place in that period, for anyone who had doubts)
1233890;1439255980;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233745 << error: cock visible
1233891;1439255980;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 22:43:46; shinohai: To fight all that puritanism: https://giant.gfycat.com/FragrantColdHairstreak.webm
1233892;1439255988;asciilifeform;srsly, am i the only straight bloke here or what
1233893;1439255993;mircea_popescu;!up Varia_Varietatis
1233894;1439256003;Varia_Varietatis;hey mircea_popescu working on my gpg now
1233895;1439256013;mircea_popescu;aha ? who're you ?
1233896;1439256021;Varia_Varietatis;Varia_Varietatis who else?
1233897;1439256027;mircea_popescu;mkay
1233898;1439256041;Naphex;xotika.tv referral program is up and available for those interested. 2.5% of the tippings received or sent by users you invite. Everything is tracked real time and available from withdraw from the platform.
1233899;1439256048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your idea of straightness is "have never observed a penis" ?
1233900;1439256052;asciilifeform;mno
1233901;1439256054;Naphex;clients get tracked and the rewards are sticky
1233902;1439256073;mircea_popescu;interdasting Naphex
1233903;1439256097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then!
1233904;1439256100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but it means to me that the naked and juicing bits in pr0n ought to belong to females
1233905;1439256114;asciilifeform;but then again that could be just me.
1233906;1439256148;mats;lol
1233907;1439256154;mircea_popescu;(i didn't see the thing in question, for some reason .webm comes out as a string of bits)
1233908;1439256189;asciilifeform;it was an animated gif thing with a cycling cock center stage
1233909;1439256224;mircea_popescu;all this institutionalized misandry.
1233910;1439256229;asciilifeform;l0l
1233911;1439256247;mircea_popescu;female privilege is never having had your bits rejected for center stageness.
1233912;1439256259;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233785 << the usg-connected folks who specialize in bringing'em back in gotta eat !
1233913;1439256259;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 23:20:17; shinohai: It does tons of good. The same people that get deported are back in < 6 months.
1233914;1439256403;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233849 << that was hearn's thing for years now, srsly
1233915;1439256403;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 23:45:55; shinohai: The blacklisting begins: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23
1233916;1439256408;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's unclear to me pron can be judged through formal means.
1233917;1439256409;asciilifeform;what is this 'begins.'
1233918;1439256438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subjective, rather than formal; but how many seconds does it take ~you~ to realize that you won't be hardening to a particular pr0n
1233919;1439256448;mircea_popescu;but yeah, the entire xt nonsense exists chiefly as a venue for various nobodies to exercise negative powers they don't actually have.
1233920;1439256483;mircea_popescu;i won't bother looking at just how much this connotes their hunger for my cock, out of respect of asciilifeform's heterosexuality.
1233921;1439256497;asciilifeform;l0l
1233922;1439256500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think i ever got a pron erection.
1233923;1439256514;asciilifeform;perhaps they wish to 'chortle on the balls' (tm) (r) ('silicon valley')
1233924;1439256554;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233874 << this is inevitable.
1233925;1439256554;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 23:55:16; mircea_popescu: "add this magnetic strip to your miner and save 3-50% electricity by the refocusing of positron rings"
1233926;1439256575;mircea_popescu;i suspek pron erections work like erections work generally, which is to say, as a learned behaviour. people get erections like dogs salivate, more or less.
1233927;1439256577;asciilifeform;just like the 'deoxygenated copper audiophile cable' and the monumental 'green marker for improving cd audio'
1233928;1439256630;mircea_popescu;you could definitely train someone to get hard at the sight of ears
1233929;1439256633;mircea_popescu;or hair.
1233930;1439256638;mircea_popescu;the former i've actually observed irl.
1233931;1439256640;asciilifeform;more commonly given example is shoes
1233932;1439256653;asciilifeform;but betcha hair works in the land of the chador
1233933;1439256672;mircea_popescu;yeah, very picket-fence-y this one. the usian housewive only wears heels the night she's gonna fuck "the master of the house", and so...
1233934;1439256681;asciilifeform;(and a silhouette of a head is probably enough in the land of burqa)
1233935;1439256696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very amusingly, the arabs a) don'
1233936;1439256706;mircea_popescu;t react to the bare cunt much and b) can't actually draw the female body.
1233937;1439256714;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise
1233938;1439256774;mircea_popescu;which is a pity because arab sluts have really nice ass/waist combos.
1233939;1439256794;Varia_Varietatis;;gpg eregister Varia_Varietatis D126595B
1233940;1439256803;Varia_Varietatis;;;gpg eregister Varia_Varietatis D126595B
1233941;1439256803;gribble;Error: 'D126595B' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
1233942;1439256842;Varia_Varietatis;;;gpg eregister Varia_Varietatis 95AD4E4BD126595B
1233943;1439256845;gribble;Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
1233944;1439256874;asciilifeform;doesn't appear to be in sks
1233945;1439256900;Varia_Varietatis;asciilifeform: how can I add it?
1233946;1439256907;mircea_popescu;"Peer priorities are based on matching the connecting IP against a set of IP groups. For now, the only IP group is one that gives Tor exits a score of -10."
1233947;1439256916;mircea_popescu;fucking retarded, seriously ? bayesian approach ?
1233948;1439256927;mircea_popescu;that particular bit of pseudoscientific nonsense is not dying soon, is it.
1233949;1439256980;asciilifeform;Varia_Varietatis: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-04-2015#1105532
1233950;1439256980;assbot;Logged on 21-04-2015 11:41:31; mircea_popescu: and then $ gpg --keyserver sks-keyservers.net --send-key <KEYID> and $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-key <KEYID> where keyid you just copy from the line above.
1233951;1439256989;mircea_popescu;why the fuck is it so intuitively obvious to stupid people that keeping a list of sins is practicable, useful or desirable.
1233952;1439256990;kakobrekla;Varia_Varietatis it takes some time for key to be visible on sks, apart from that i think you might be hopping the wrong bot
1233953;1439257031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because they are unable to synthesize
1233954;1439257042;mircea_popescu;so how do they eat ?
1233955;1439257049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are the same folks who think that education consists of 'having read many learnedbooks'
1233956;1439257052;mircea_popescu;shit
1233957;1439257062;mircea_popescu;this is how they eat. hence macdonalds and starbucks.
1233958;1439257063;mircea_popescu;omfg.
1233959;1439257066;asciilifeform;aha
1233960;1439257073;asciilifeform;see?
1233961;1439257075;mircea_popescu;i think this is the principal stupidity.
1233962;1439257084;mircea_popescu;the belief that sins are an ennumeration.
1233963;1439257090;asciilifeform;not only sins
1233964;1439257095;asciilifeform;they do everything via lookup table
1233965;1439257106;asciilifeform;but more importantly, assume that this is the only possible way anything could be done.
1233966;1439257108;mircea_popescu;sins are the basis of errything
1233967;1439257127;asciilifeform;some supposedly 'intelligent' folks took this to ridiculous heights
1233968;1439257129;asciilifeform;like doug lenat
1233969;1439257151;asciilifeform;who said something like 'cognition is ten thousand if-statements'
1233970;1439257157;mircea_popescu;heh.
1233971;1439257167;asciilifeform;(improvement over the skinnerists, who thought it was... 4 if-statements)
1233972;1439257229;mircea_popescu;the amusing thing to me is that all the libertard anglos read baudrillard, deleuze, lyotard, & co like the dog listens to music.
1233973;1439257243;mircea_popescu;ten thousand if statements is pre fucking saussure ffs.
1233974;1439257262;mircea_popescu;an understanding of things up to the most recent discoveries & bleeding edge of understanding cca 1815
1233975;1439257298;Varia_Varietatis;kakobrekla: Hopping the wrong bot?
1233976;1439257311;mircea_popescu;you want assbot
1233977;1439257315;mircea_popescu;!like so
1233978;1439257411;Varia_Varietatis;!gpg eregister Varia_Varietatis 95AD4E4BD126595B
1233979;1439257415;Varia_Varietatis;like that?
1233980;1439257468;danielpbarron;you don't need your nickname in the query
1233981;1439257484;kakobrekla;!register <full_gpg_keyid>
1233982;1439257484;assbot;Nick kakobrekla is already taken.
1233983;1439257486;danielpbarron;and that doesn't look to be long enough for a fingerprint
1233984;1439257551;kakobrekla;how many asseteers to register a key?
1233985;1439257571;Varia_Varietatis;How can I check if its on the key server yet?
1233986;1439257610;danielpbarron;one way is to get the command right
1233987;1439257857;asciilifeform;!up Varia_Varietatis
1233988;1439257958;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233727 << yes, i had one. no, i can't think of a reason to tear my pockets with it again
1233989;1439257958;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 22:33:07; mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> there is no reason for '90s bricks. << motorola made them with good enough antenna assemblages you could bash a head in. also the hi q plastics in the casing allowed one to drive mercedes over phone and then use it.
1233990;1439257981;asciilifeform;why not return to the '80s briefcase phone, too
1233991;1439258015;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233729 << and a death ray, '... and a pony'
1233992;1439258015;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 22:34:45; mircea_popescu: if only ubuntu weren't fucktarded we could recommend it to noobs.
1233993;1439258050;Varia_Varietatis;I put in my full finger print with spaces and without didnt work.
1233994;1439258059;BingoBoingo;!up n6 Tell these kind folks what you accomplished today.
1233995;1439258076;n6;I installed open bsd
1233996;1439258116;n6;thanks to everyone who helped.
1233997;1439258181;BingoBoingo;n6: And you are going to continue consulting the man pages when things go wrong?
1233998;1439258201;n6;Yes, im done with the ubuntu style of copy paste guide.
1233999;1439258223;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you had a favourite book re: openbsd i recall ?
1234000;1439258227;asciilifeform;perhaps n6 would like it.
1234001;1439258247;n6;I will be reading that asap
1234002;1439258255;n6;and the unix book you told me about.
1234003;1439258282;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "Absolute OpenBSD"
1234004;1439258304;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Book also has danielpbarron's endorsement
1234005;1439258340;danielpbarron;yes, and OpenBSD is very easy to install
1234006;1439258346;danielpbarron;almost a joy
1234007;1439258399;n6;got gentoo installed only to lose my lsub, and have my ethernet router stepped on in such a way all 4 ports went out.
1234008;1439258407;n6;Couldn't recover after that.
1234009;1439258452;BingoBoingo;Just remember OpenBSD still contains plenty of ways to hang yourself. On the plus side almost all of them are very well documented.
1234010;1439258571;Varia_Varietatis;I still can't seem to join the wot. putting in my full keyid 95AD4E4BD126595B
1234011;1439258582;mircea_popescu;that's half a keyid.
1234012;1439258618;mircea_popescu;mine's 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 not 76998A736F0E2FB7B452
1234013;1439258633;Varia_Varietatis;How do I get that out of gpg?
1234014;1439258643;mircea_popescu;--fingerprint
1234015;1439258671;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x95AD4E4BD126595B << and you're on sks alright.
1234016;1439258672;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x95ad4e4bd126595b " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmBz76 )
1234017;1439258769;Varia_Varietatis;got it
1234018;1439258819;*;asciilifeform back, was playing with his first proper crusscut shredder
1234019;1439258822;asciilifeform;*crosscut
1234020;1439258845;asciilifeform;thing claims to cut disks, even.
1234021;1439258856;Varia_Varietatis;;;gpg eauth Varia_Varietatis
1234022;1439258857;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
1234023;1439258916;Varia_Varietatis;;;gpg eregister Varia_Varietatis D126595B
1234024;1439258916;gribble;Error: 'D126595B' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
1234025;1439258933;mircea_popescu;wrong bot still.
1234026;1439258958;danielpbarron;Varia_Varietatis, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102946
1234027;1439258958;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 02:56:31; jayk: !register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50
1234028;1439259028;Varia_Varietatis;danielpbarron, Already did that in pm trying to auth now.
1234029;1439259052;danielpbarron;do it in here
1234030;1439259055;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I had a cheap crosscut machine that experience the general mysterious "stopped working" failure mode most consumer products from walmart do.
1234031;1439259076;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the eventual fate of all things
1234032;1439259088;danielpbarron;!gettrust Varia_Varietatis
1234033;1439259090;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Varia_Varietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Varia_Varietatis | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Varia_Varietatis/
1234034;1439259106;danielpbarron;ah, you are registered. Now type /msg assbot !up
1234035;1439259107;asciilifeform;pretty sure that all shredders other than perhaps petrol-powered 'enron'-grade units, will croak after a thousand pgs or so
1234036;1439259127;Varia_Varietatis;Need a better rating.
1234037;1439259134;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ah.
1234038;1439259144;danielpbarron;Varia_Varietatis, that's your next step then :D
1234039;1439259147;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: doesn't hurt to oil the thing, also.
1234040;1439259159;asciilifeform;like any other cutting tool
1234041;1439259187;Varia_Varietatis;;;rate BingoBoingo should have better read his gpg guides.
1234042;1439259187;gribble;Error: 'should' is not a valid integer.
1234043;1439259191;BingoBoingo;Of course.
1234044;1439259197;Varia_Varietatis;;;rate BingoBoingo 1 should have better read his gpg guides.
1234045;1439259197;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1234046;1439259212;BingoBoingo;Varia_Varietatis: Oh, that one's outdated as far as bot registration for this channel goes
1234047;1439259213;asciilifeform;still using wrong bot
1234048;1439259241;asciilifeform;Varia_Varietatis: gribble is no longer used here
1234049;1439259250;Varia_Varietatis;!rate BingoBoingo 1 should have read his gpg guides better.
1234050;1439259251;assbot;You must be rated before you can rate.
1234051;1439259335;Varia_Varietatis;So now what?
1234052;1439259350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my tm shredder cut ~78k pages. electric. diamond blades.
1234053;1439259362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spiffy
1234054;1439259398;asciilifeform;if i had 78k pgs in one crate, would probably just burn'em
1234055;1439259412;mircea_popescu;if you recall, i burned the shreds.
1234056;1439259415;BingoBoingo;Varia_Varietatis: Do any of us know you from anywhere? Forgive me. My memory is imperfect.
1234057;1439259420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, yes!
1234058;1439259430;Varia_Varietatis;I used to be n6 but lost my key.
1234059;1439259431;mircea_popescu;sop. at least in civilised circles.
1234060;1439259458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldn't want to burn the confetti from this one. on account of every other snail mail envelope containing an unsolicited plastic bank card
1234061;1439259460;n6;here I am two places at once
1234062;1439259469;BingoBoingo;!rate Varia_Varietatis 1 New, Ambitious, reading man pages
1234063;1439259469;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f144d627770cc7cd
1234064;1439259472;asciilifeform;'borrow 500k! you know you wanna!!1111!!11'
1234065;1439259483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are pestilential here
1234066;1439259498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hence why even the lowliest schmuck owns shredder
1234067;1439259519;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Varia_Varietatis.1:11486eec2825b32310ab05b0307c68cc85468a2f8e867bd28f1c4beb2442d430
1234068;1439259521;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Varia_Varietatis with note: New, Ambitious, reading man pages
1234069;1439259550;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wouldn't want to burn the confetti from this one. on account of every other snail mail envelope containing an unsolicited plastic bank card << Why are you so afraid of burning petro-strange?
1234070;1439259551;Varia_Varietatis;!rate BingoBoingo wrote the gpg guide.
1234071;1439259551;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
1234072;1439259558;Varia_Varietatis;!rate BingoBoingo 1 wrote the gpg guide.
1234073;1439259558;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2f8c24bf26164b4d
1234074;1439259566;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't like the smell. and neighbours won't either
1234075;1439259619;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i live in 'civilization', recall.
1234076;1439259647;BingoBoingo;Ah, I forget "east coast"
1234077;1439259659;BingoBoingo;Burning strange is much more acceptable in this region
1234078;1439259769;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233875 << i might have said this before, but if this is actually possible, i'm probably it
1234079;1439259769;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 23:57:29; mircea_popescu: mostly a disease of "visual thinkers", as illustrated by the poor job they do at covering the actual space.
1234080;1439259834;TomServo;I'm late to the party, but thought I'd report my 0.5.3.1 is also wedged @ 367850.
1234081;1439259845;TomServo;I can provide logs if it's of any help.
1234082;1439259853;asciilifeform;TomServo: long ago fixed
1234083;1439259866;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Rebuilt editing db.cpp to much higher settings
1234084;1439259884;TomServo;Effort better spent building rotor?
1234085;1439259917;asciilifeform;TomServo: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html
1234086;1439259918;assbot;[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )
1234087;1439260007;asciilifeform;TomServo: and yes, i recommend rotor.
1234088;1439260016;asciilifeform;but rotor doesn't tell you what patches to use
1234089;1439260024;asciilifeform;that is up to you.
1234090;1439260046;asciilifeform;(once mod6 and ben_vulpes come up with an official release - can use that, also)
1234091;1439260247;TomServo;I'm probably too slow to be much use, but what are the current requests for testing?  still TEST2? or rotor?
1234092;1439260653;BingoBoingo;WHy not TEST2 in rotor?
1234093;1439260861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "it" what ?
1234094;1439260891;asciilifeform;'visual think'
1234095;1439260982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9957 @ 0.00059925 = 5.9667 BTC [-]
1234096;1439261104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14618 @ 0.00059629 = 8.7166 BTC [-] {3} 
1234097;1439261227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20043 @ 0.00059774 = 11.9805 BTC [+] {3} 
1234098;1439261348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10181 @ 0.00059924 = 6.1009 BTC [+] {2} 
1234099;1439261484;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/ea19b4078947b7a8f275fb8f95b8a0ef/tumblr_miprrmQSJO1s0bp20o1_500.gif special for alfie
1234100;1439261485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmF3X6 )
1234101;1439261620;*;BingoBoingo got new 64 GB usb drive to day for blockchain backup, formats as FFS
1234102;1439261851;BingoBoingo;!up Varia_Varietatis
1234103;1439261861;BingoBoingo;!unrate Varia_Varietatis
1234104;1439261861;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/737bb735f5f3e07a
1234105;1439261864;Varia_Varietatis;Guys I forgot the passphase on the key I just made.
1234106;1439261877;mircea_popescu;!down Varia_Varietatis
1234107;1439261895;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.Varia_Varietatis:0849b388f960f2692a5f90663ca03599e09d7f361ee68674225ed865270b9ae8
1234108;1439261896;assbot;Successfully unrated Varia_Varietatis
1234109;1439261931;BingoBoingo;6 months apply again
1234110;1439262146;scoopbot_revived;Copay Multisig Vulnerability Reported http://qntra.net/2015/08/copay-multisig-vulnerability-reported/
1234111;1439262346;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233054 << made a few config changes to it; was set to check feeds every 2 minutes, now checks every 30. Currently monitoring it on my test channel.
1234112;1439262346;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 03:13:24; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can we has the bot back plz ?
1234113;1439262349;lobbes;This is just a workaround, though. I still have to discern where in the code it zeros out the cache. So I'm not confident putting back into 'production' just yet.
1234114;1439262402;BingoBoingo;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dDe4I92UUt4/VZmCn6pWpMI/AAAAAAAALqc/hHuRqfGUUo4/s400/IMG_3315.JPG
1234115;1439262403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJ7EWy )
1234116;1439262470;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, you know the Coinspect blog post is more than a year old right ?
1234117;1439262534;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: It was brought to my attention today and the story has an important moral. Don't set conditions for letting a machine automatically sign your shit.
1234118;1439262554;BingoBoingo;Because that's probably the next -XT feature.
1234119;1439262558;mircea_popescu;Fri, 07/25/2014  darn
1234120;1439262562;mircea_popescu;well, i never noticed.
1234121;1439262565;Apocalyptic;yeah that's worthwhile to point out, just that it's not really newsworthy
1234122;1439262593;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'll remove the "news" tag
1234123;1439262763;BingoBoingo;At least it happened before Qntra
1234124;1439262846;mircea_popescu;soo, somewhat interesting, maybe. 1984 was actually born at a precise place : "In nationalist thought there are facts which are both true and untrue, known and unknown. A known fact may be so unbearable that it is habitually pushed aside and not allowed to enter into logical processes, or on the other hand it may enter into every calculation and yet never be admitted as a fact, even in one's own mind." appears in a 194
1234125;1439262847;mircea_popescu;5 piece denouncing "nationalism". which, at the time, simply denoted what socialism (or "liberalism" as it usually self-identifies) denotes today : the ideology of stupid people.
1234126;1439262873;mircea_popescu;meanwhile tyhe next paragraph is actually the valuable bit :
1234127;1439262874;mircea_popescu;"Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should�in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918�and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Ma
1234128;1439262874;mircea_popescu;terial facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied [Note, below]. In 1927 Chiang Kai Shek boiled hundreds of Communists alive, and yet within ten years he had become one of the heroes of the Left. The re-alignment of world politics had brought him into
1234129;1439262875;mircea_popescu;the anti-Fascist camp, and so it was felt that the boiling of the Communists 'didn't count', or perhaps had not happened. The primary aim of propaganda is, of course, to influence contemporary opinion, but those who rewrite history do probably believe with part of their minds that they are actually thrusting facts into the past. When one considers the elaborate forgeries that have been committed in order to show that T
1234130;1439262880;mircea_popescu;rotsky did not play a valuable part in the Russian civil war, it is difficult to feel that the people responsible are merely lying. More probably they feel that their own version was what happened in the sight of God, and that one is justified in rearranging the records accordingly."
1234131;1439262909;mircea_popescu;replace "nationalist" with "socialist" (or, if you prefer to use the self term, "liberal") and note how the ideology of the stupid still behaves today in the manner it behaved then.
1234132;1439262971;mircea_popescu;thus therefore : mozart had a sister ; there existed black people of import in history ; global warming was the consensus during the mini ice age six centuries ago and so on.
1234133;1439263187;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234099 << l0l
1234134;1439263187;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 02:51:24; mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/ea19b4078947b7a8f275fb8f95b8a0ef/tumblr_miprrmQSJO1s0bp20o1_500.gif special for alfie
1234135;1439263201;mircea_popescu;well ?
1234136;1439263208;asciilifeform;that cock isn't even parked
1234137;1439263290;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234126 << linked it here at least 3 times l0l
1234138;1439263290;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 03:14:33; mircea_popescu: meanwhile tyhe next paragraph is actually the valuable bit :
1234139;1439263300;mats;i am fond of that actress
1234140;1439263302;mircea_popescu;i'm slow.
1234141;1439263311;asciilifeform;!s nationalist is haunted by the belief
1234142;1439263312;assbot;2 results for 'nationalist is haunted by the belief' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nationalist+is+haunted+by+the+belief
1234143;1439263316;mircea_popescu;mats you know her ?
1234144;1439263324;mats;nah. i know of her
1234145;1439263331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except it pointedly has nothing to do with "nationalist"
1234146;1439263342;mircea_popescu;it's just the twerp who wants to "be part of something"
1234147;1439263349;mircea_popescu;"and help change the world"
1234148;1439263354;mats;you know, in her professional capacity as an actress.
1234149;1439263356;asciilifeform;it had to do with certain folks of the period who did, well, what mr o describes
1234150;1439263373;asciilifeform;but not 'nationalist' in the usual sense, no
1234151;1439263378;mircea_popescu;yeah, because they didn't have reddit yet. same govt jobs, tho.
1234152;1439263384;asciilifeform;approximately.
1234153;1439263434;asciilifeform;also related:
1234154;1439263444;asciilifeform;'ONE way of feeling infallible is not to keep a diary. Looking back through the diary I kept in 1940 and 1941 I find that I was usually wrong when it was possible to be wrong. Yet I was not so wrong as the Military Experts. Experts of various schools were telling us in 1939 that the Maginot Line was impregnable, and that the Russo-German Pact had put an end to Hitler�s eastwards expansion; in early 1940 they were telling us
1234155;1439263444;asciilifeform;that the days of tank warfare were over; in mid 1940 they were telling us that the Germans would invade Britain forthwith; in mid 1941 that the Red army would fold up in six weeks; in December 1941, that Japan would collapse after ninety days; in July 1942, that Egypt was lost and so on, more or less indefinitely. Where now are the men who told us those things? Still on the job, drawing fat salaries. Instead of the unsinkable
1234156;1439263444;asciilifeform;battleship we have the unsinkable Military Expert . . .'
1234157;1439263452;asciilifeform;( http://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19431217.html )
1234158;1439263454;assbot;17 December 1943 - As I Please - George Orwell, Book, etext ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzTnjj )
1234159;1439263459;mircea_popescu;"(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis
1234160;1439263459;mircea_popescu;h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements."
1234161;1439263460;mircea_popescu;ha!
1234162;1439263467;mircea_popescu;i guess i restated orwell.
1234163;1439263476;asciilifeform;hey whatcanyado, man had eyes, saw.
1234164;1439263497;mats;i found out today my former verizon wireless grandfathered unlimited plan is worth 1k on ebay
1234165;1439263505;mircea_popescu;moreover, the purely sexual drive of the entire "black superiority" notion held strictly by pencilnecked white guys is glaring.
1234166;1439263508;mats;craziness
1234167;1439263521;mircea_popescu;mats get used to it. this is how socialism goes.
1234168;1439263529;asciilifeform;mats: prolly not really transferable
1234169;1439263545;mircea_popescu;grandfathered everything were worth insane amounts. like you know, "being served by the old style dumpsters rather than the new ones"
1234170;1439263569;asciilifeform;prolly most famous example in the world is nyc flats
1234171;1439263570;mats;you can transfer ownership to someone else, i met a guy today that bought it
1234172;1439263592;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "rent controlled" ones, yes
1234173;1439263596;asciilifeform;them.
1234174;1439263603;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> battleship we have the unsinkable Military Expert . . .' << The "men" were defeating "analysis"
1234175;1439263615;mats;he travels for work and the plan is entirely unthrottled, uses 3-400gb of LTE every month
1234176;1439263650;asciilifeform;mats: it is unclear to me what precisely obligates verizon to keep renewing these contracts
1234177;1439263666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00059484 = 12.9675 BTC [-]
1234178;1439263670;asciilifeform;it isn't the rental of hongkong, there were no spans denominated in centuries in there
1234179;1439263681;mats;prob customer loyalty
1234180;1439263801;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234169 << when i was in timis., my brain melted upon seeing what looked very much like my childhood dumpsters
1234181;1439263801;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 03:25:45; mircea_popescu: grandfathered everything were worth insane amounts. like you know, "being served by the old style dumpsters rather than the new ones"
1234182;1439263969;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234132 << mozart did have a sister. who, iirc, did not compose, but played passably
1234183;1439263969;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 03:16:11; mircea_popescu: thus therefore : mozart had a sister ; there existed black people of import in history ; global warming was the consensus during the mini ice age six centuries ago and so on.
1234184;1439264006;BingoBoingo;Oh, apparently reddit admins just straight up changed the moderators of /r/PunchableFaces
1234185;1439264010;asciilifeform;much of what we know of the man's mind comes from letters to his sister, srsly
1234186;1439264013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you see the film ?
1234187;1439264016;asciilifeform;no film
1234188;1439264019;asciilifeform;just the letters
1234189;1439264025;mircea_popescu;is what i was speaking towards.
1234190;1439264028;asciilifeform;what film
1234191;1439264050;mircea_popescu;libertards made a film about "mozart as a woman", but not actually insane enough to just do it, so it came out a sort of pancake.
1234192;1439264056;asciilifeform;l0l!
1234193;1439264072;mircea_popescu;it cost me some stuff i won't disclose,
1234194;1439264099;mircea_popescu;i had a long standing bet that the "nationalists" will make a "shakespeare was a woman. rly. " attempt at rewriting history to fit the agenda
1234195;1439264106;mircea_popescu;or you know, what they perceive is right in god's eye.
1234196;1439264129;asciilifeform;they also have a long-standing idiocy re: einstein, on same pattern
1234197;1439264135;asciilifeform;he is also in the queue for a film, i imagie.
1234198;1439264136;mircea_popescu;"Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes."
1234199;1439264138;asciilifeform;*imagine
1234200;1439264144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is his female name noether ?
1234201;1439264155;asciilifeform;nah that would make some semblance of sense
1234202;1439264161;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps the most objectionable part of these fried chicken niggers, clogging government with their unwelcome corpses.
1234203;1439264168;asciilifeform;the liberast version is instead that 'he stole from his ex-wife'
1234204;1439264178;mircea_popescu;instead of learning the world as it is, they dream up an infinitely boring-er, stolid-er, like them-er one.
1234205;1439264183;asciilifeform;naturally
1234206;1439264193;asciilifeform;who wants to wake up to being garbage
1234207;1439264214;mircea_popescu;i'd be curious to see what'd happen to one of these scumcanoes should they get somehow magically stuck into seeing themselves with the eyes of a sane person.
1234208;1439264219;mircea_popescu;that'd make one great film.
1234209;1439264230;asciilifeform;no doubt this film will be made. one day.
1234210;1439264247;mircea_popescu;3 hours of this, julia roberts going slowly insane while seeking the help of an entire array of "experts" to make reality CEASE!11
1234211;1439264250;asciilifeform;but will likely have the flavour of 'donald duck in nazi-land'
1234212;1439264259;mircea_popescu;maybe she could blow her brains out at the premiere, right on the red carpet.
1234213;1439264268;asciilifeform;failing this, theatre will have to pass out tabs of lsd with tickets
1234214;1439264276;BingoBoingo;OH, /r/punchablefaces was turned over to SJW's and Libertards supporting Bernie Sanders revolted
1234215;1439264279;mircea_popescu;or even make the tickets be the tabs
1234216;1439264282;asciilifeform;^^^
1234217;1439264283;asciilifeform;win
1234218;1439264293;asciilifeform;it is difficult to make convincing films about insane folks
1234219;1439264294;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lmao
1234220;1439264298;asciilifeform;but technology can help!!11
1234221;1439264331;mircea_popescu;yeah, one of the best to date (good will hunting) was drastically unconvincing
1234222;1439264336;mircea_popescu;points for "best effort", but still.
1234223;1439264340;asciilifeform;it was a mega-letdown
1234224;1439264349;asciilifeform;i expected things from that film.
1234225;1439264358;mircea_popescu;never a good idea
1234226;1439264360;asciilifeform;aha.
1234227;1439264395;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently much of reddit was upvoating multiple posts of the #Blacklivesmatter Hamplanet who got a bernie sanders speech canceled as an /r/punchableface this was followed by Reddit censorship in the name of Cliter. Now there's a fuckton of wholes becasue no one on reddit uses archive.is
1234228;1439264409;mircea_popescu;lol
1234229;1439264438;mircea_popescu;i have no idea who bernie sanders is, or why black lives'd matter.
1234230;1439264445;mircea_popescu;fill me in ?
1234231;1439264460;mircea_popescu;(do they mean "the lives of blacks" matter ?)
1234232;1439264462;BingoBoingo;And yet, Black owned businesses are still being looted in Fergeson by niggers to the point Black people hate niggers
1234233;1439264471;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (do they mean "the lives of blacks" matter ?) << Yes
1234234;1439264476;mircea_popescu;this was in dispute ?
1234235;1439264494;mircea_popescu;why do they say "black lives" when they mean "the lives of blacks" ?
1234236;1439264495;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i have no idea who bernie sanders is, or why black lives'd matter. << The democrat running against Cliter in the presidential primary who admits to being a socialist
1234237;1439264502;asciilifeform;as with all usg slogans, it has a very reversed 'freedom is slavery' meaning in reality
1234238;1439264503;mircea_popescu;aok
1234239;1439264508;BingoBoingo;Because they lack "Pro Grammar"
1234240;1439264514;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1234241;1439264517;asciilifeform;flip the bits
1234242;1439264527;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/AjbcI
1234243;1439264532;assbot;[BRDSCUSSION] Reddit is in the throes of a white supremacist meltdown regarding Black Lives Matter and Bernie Sanders : ShitRedditSays ... ( http://bit.ly/1huyVlB )
1234244;1439264549;mircea_popescu;who's the white supremacist ? the hamplanet or sanders ?
1234245;1439264575;mircea_popescu;"Multiple sisters in BRD such as /u/topyka2"
1234246;1439264580;mircea_popescu;what's a sister in brd ?
1234247;1439264582;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Both are Black supremacists.
1234248;1439264621;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The complication and number of steps you have to understand are "essential propaganda noise"
1234249;1439264650;mircea_popescu;so wait. the black people that have no pro-grammar make the lives of blacks matter by opposing the campaign appearances of a white guy that runs against a white woman for the nomination to presidency of the democratic party ?
1234250;1439264654;BingoBoingo;The hamplanet was black and Bernie Sanders is this cycle's prime food stamp candidate
1234251;1439264661;BingoBoingo;Yes
1234252;1439264682;mircea_popescu;so they have 0 to do with the lives of black people, being just another outsourced astroturf effort ?
1234253;1439264709;mircea_popescu;and the only place where this matters is reddit, much in the way the only place you find bilge is down in the keel ?
1234254;1439264722;BingoBoingo;"I'm not so prepared to dismiss this protest as "poorly researched" or "poorly executed." I feel like this protest follows a pattern that's so common in feminist and queer circles that we should recognize and expect it now: we critique each other to make our movement inclusive and intersectional, so that our spaces might reject all oppressive forms. When a queer bar isn't entirely inclusive to people that aren't cis-white-rich-gay
1234255;1439264722;BingoBoingo; men, it's much easier to critique and change that bar into one that is inclusive than to petition the nearest straight bar. When Taylor Swift fucks up as a feminist, we call her out (yet we don't call out men or women who do not identify as feminist with nearly such vigor). Why? Because we hope that these people are much more inclined to listen and to uplift further marginalized people and movements.
1234256;1439264723;BingoBoingo;When no candidate is in full support of your movement, it's going to be easiest to convince the one that is somewhat supportive to do a better job than to convince your greatest enemy to do a slightly less shitty job."
1234257;1439264732;mircea_popescu;"We here at /r/ShitRedditSays are taking the firm policy"
1234258;1439264735;mircea_popescu;who's "we here" ?
1234259;1439264742;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so they have 0 to do with the lives of black people, being just another outsourced astroturf effort ? << up, see above
1234260;1439264757;mircea_popescu;"feminist and queer circles" ?
1234261;1439264770;mircea_popescu;isn't this insulting to the actual shape involved ?
1234262;1439264773;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The collective farm we. The gulag's vote as reported in Washington
1234263;1439264774;mircea_popescu;which is more like a donut
1234264;1439264799;BingoBoingo;It's insulting to literacy in general
1234265;1439264808;mircea_popescu;well that's a given
1234266;1439264819;BingoBoingo;No language should have to suffer this attempt at persuasive prose.
1234267;1439264852;mircea_popescu;anyway, the faux-soviet terminology is endearing. such wannabes.
1234268;1439264859;BingoBoingo;C++ is embarrassed right now that an English speaker birthed it
1234269;1439264866;mircea_popescu;"When Taylor Swift fucks up as a feminist"
1234270;1439264875;mircea_popescu;who's taylor swift ?
1234271;1439264882;mircea_popescu;i thought it was this season's britney spears
1234272;1439264903;pete_dushenski;she is, but $200 mn 'dollars' worth
1234273;1439264909;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1234274;1439264922;pete_dushenski;i didn't make this up
1234275;1439264924;mircea_popescu;so how is a plastic bimbo that exists to keep these idiots chugging along in the muck "a feminist" ?
1234276;1439264927;BingoBoingo;Taylor Swift could actually get the dick though. Britney Chain always had the crazy.
1234277;1439264933;funkenstein_;we need dave chapelle back to straighten all this out for us
1234278;1439264946;mircea_popescu;is that the black pothead ?
1234279;1439264960;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so how is a plastic bimbo that exists to keep these idiots chugging along in the muck "a feminist" ? << Swift like Beyonce used the word feminist thinking it would "expand their market"
1234280;1439264964;funkenstein_;not sure, depends on your context
1234281;1439264974;pete_dushenski;"name da 5 best rappers of all time : dylan, dylan, dylan, dylan, and dylan"
1234282;1439264977;mircea_popescu;he;'s the dude with the nigger family sketch right ?
1234283;1439264983;funkenstein_;yeah :)
1234284;1439264991;funkenstein_;and the racial draft
1234285;1439264993;BingoBoingo;Related https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/10/003907a204cfd290cdbc62ea1bf7bb8a.png
1234286;1439264995;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzV8gj )
1234287;1439265007;funkenstein_;and who was it Clayton Biggles?
1234288;1439265008;pete_dushenski;and the black white supremacist.
1234289;1439265012;funkenstein_;^
1234290;1439265026;pete_dushenski;bigsby iirc
1234291;1439265033;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> and the black white supremacist. << Old meme. Been done since 1620
1234292;1439265042;mircea_popescu;"However, as this matter might not be fully understood, we would like to open a space for discussion in order to further understanding. The usual rules about circlequeefing and Rule X (to an extent) do not apply in this thread, however we expect discussion to be in good faith and a genuine attempt to understand the white supremacy behind the angry reactions to Black Lives Matter's quite frankly highly successful and ex
1234293;1439265042;mircea_popescu;tremely necessary protesting. Note that this is not a debate. The angry backlash at Black Lives Matter is pure white supremacy and this is not up for compromise, however there are few sources for understanding why this fact is, and we would like to help our sisters in BRD understand them better."
1234294;1439265043;funkenstein_;i'm still a free agent
1234295;1439265051;mircea_popescu;can i have this translated to english ?
1234296;1439265078;mircea_popescu;and wtf are "the sisters in brd" already.
1234297;1439265087;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It doesn't translate to anything
1234298;1439265096;asciilifeform;what next translated to english? the schizo bum ranting on the corner also has material for translation !
1234299;1439265102;asciilifeform;and likely - more interesting
1234300;1439265116;mircea_popescu;"Gynocratic Council
1234301;1439265116;mircea_popescu;High Chancellor of Free Speech"
1234302;1439265119;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1234303;1439265135;mircea_popescu;i'm surprised "at large" isn't in there.
1234304;1439265141;mircea_popescu;perhaps too uncomfortable.
1234305;1439265157;mircea_popescu;"gynocratic councillor at large" sounds pretty apt for plenty of these tho
1234306;1439265160;BingoBoingo;Dude had a campaign rally, dark Hamplanet hijacked the stage because can't afford cameras, supporters of candidate suddenly racist
1234307;1439265161;pete_dushenski;'and in charge' tailing that
1234308;1439265175;mircea_popescu;Of the top 50 /r/punchablefaces, 42 of them are about the BLM protestors. The top 10 have a combined total of over 47k points, more than 3x the amount of points than what Obama's AMA got, or hell even twice the top post of all time from me_irl.
1234309;1439265177;mircea_popescu;bwhgahaha
1234310;1439265190;mircea_popescu;so wait, i thought the libertards were you know, dominating and shit ?
1234311;1439265192;mircea_popescu;where is it ?
1234312;1439265210;mircea_popescu;who was derping on about how the circle-queef to use its self-given name was in charge of the us ?
1234313;1439265250;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so wait, i thought the libertards were you know, dominating and shit ? << Actual libertards love Bernie Sanders because he confesses to being socialist. Lizard Libertards want Clitler so... Social media fight
1234314;1439265263;mircea_popescu;o ic.
1234315;1439265264;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1234316;1439265278;BingoBoingo;Basically this is all an intra libertard fight
1234317;1439265370;mircea_popescu;But here�s the thing � what�s powerful about these interruptions from Black women is less how it has changed the tone of the Democratic campaigns and more about what they have exposed in the White left.
1234318;1439265370;mircea_popescu;I see these protests as less about the individual candidates themselves and more about how their White base refuses to center Black lives and Black issues.
1234319;1439265379;mircea_popescu;well doh. who the fuck cares. blacks are what 11% ?
1234320;1439265390;BingoBoingo;But the Handlers never imagined that one sect would go so over the rails in the name of "intersectionality" that the Level 1 socialists could defeat the Lv 65 NPC pan-racial boss by swarming
1234321;1439265391;mircea_popescu;not notable. and in any case already overrepresented and overcatered.
1234322;1439265412;mircea_popescu;not to mention the part where most black people actually would rather be NOT part of the little africa ghetto these fucktards are trying to build.
1234323;1439265512;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> I see these protests as less about the individual candidates themselves and more about how their White base refuses to center Black lives and Black issues. << This is the great problem of "the people" as a construct.
1234324;1439265549;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, center black people ? what is this.
1234325;1439265562;mircea_popescu;next we're going to center bitcoin around the power rangers or some equally deranged shit,
1234326;1439265582;mircea_popescu;because a vague affiliation with a crumbly, 1/10 base can be parlayed into interest through speaking really loudly.
1234327;1439265583;BingoBoingo;"the people" as retarded in development as it necessarily is always presents as a unified mass when it is really a bunch of things that don't agree on a single point.
1234328;1439265583;mircea_popescu;herp.
1234329;1439265713;BingoBoingo;People way off in insanity and people still level 1 insanity might percieve a bond until their insanities collide
1234330;1439265771;mircea_popescu;the only vaguely concerning point was that i thought hilary's presidency a foregone conclusion since about i dunno, 2008 or so.
1234331;1439265779;mircea_popescu;but shit like this don't bode well.
1234332;1439265879;mircea_popescu;senator hurrdurr (who really seems an exact mirror image of ron paul in left colorings) is certainly out of the question, but omfg don't tell me trump takes over and does a postmodern rendition of reagan
1234333;1439265955;pete_dushenski;if anything can upset that woman's dreams, it's the donald
1234334;1439265993;BingoBoingo;The race right now is fucked. The left press called Rubio the winner of the first GOP debate before any poll numbers and Rubio close to platonically stupid.
1234335;1439266019;pete_dushenski;if u.s. politics is a tv game show, which it so often seems to be, how could trump (or someone equally outrageous) lose ?
1234336;1439266047;mircea_popescu;jeez.
1234337;1439266087;mircea_popescu;you know, romanian "press" and "social media" got very much similarly humiliated in 2008 when a romanian sort of donalt trump trampled all over their girlbits.
1234338;1439266121;mircea_popescu;it was kinda the point it became obvious the alt-planet lost the battle, there.
1234339;1439266158;mircea_popescu;and it was beautiful, five years of 10-20% shrinkage in "advertising spending" were followed by a 80% and two 50%s.
1234340;1439266191;mircea_popescu;to the point 100s of romanian taylor swifts got recently arrested for prostitution (they were doing it for 1-200 euros, rate price)
1234341;1439266192;BingoBoingo;Related https://anongalactic.com/cops-are-now-officially-the-fattest-employees-in-america-study-shows/
1234342;1439266196;assbot;COPS ARE NOW OFFICIALLY THE FATTEST EMPLOYEES IN AMERICA, STUDY SHOWS | AG News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWnfC )
1234343;1439266200;mircea_popescu;(rate price means i wouldn't pay 50% of that in any case)
1234344;1439266259;mats;http://www.nist.gov/itl/csd/201508_sha3.cfm
1234345;1439266260;assbot;NIST Releases SHA-3 Cryptographic Hash Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWurk )
1234346;1439266277;wilbns;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfxr-Bzwn0
1234347;1439266278;assbot;Marco Rubio On Rap Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWuYq )
1234348;1439266297;TomServo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/on-the-detection-of-quantum-insert
1234349;1439266298;assbot;on the detection of quantum insert ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWvf6 )
1234350;1439266356;pete_dushenski;mats: who in their right fucking mind would trust the latest nist 'standard'
1234351;1439266393;mircea_popescu;"It�s also possible I failed to attract the right visitors. This is only a one man show, and I can only churn out so much linkbait, even for the sake of science."
1234352;1439266394;mircea_popescu;that.
1234353;1439266394;mats;nobody asked you to trust nist
1234354;1439266441;pete_dushenski;mats: eh i wasn't being personal, speaking generally here
1234355;1439266453;pete_dushenski;!s nist
1234356;1439266454;assbot;38 results for 'nist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nist
1234357;1439266455;mircea_popescu;the one possibility of interest he neglects is "sane people use the browser as a strictly stateless device. to them it makes absolutely no difference."
1234358;1439266480;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski mats is on a hunt for cultism in the cult, and you stepped on his detector.
1234359;1439266504;pete_dushenski;*kaboom*
1234360;1439266505;mircea_popescu;is it annoying btw mats ?
1234361;1439266508;mats;sha3 was created in an open process like rijndael
1234362;1439266514;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha
1234363;1439266519;mircea_popescu;can you define "open process" ?
1234364;1439266520;asciilifeform;open, l0l, aha
1234365;1439266545;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: me think cazalla is on a similar hunt ?
1234366;1439266556;mircea_popescu;doubt it.
1234367;1439266560;asciilifeform;it works like this: folks mail in suggestions (naturally only incestuous academitards from nato countries considered! no untermenschem plz!)
1234368;1439266564;pete_dushenski;me grog.
1234369;1439266565;asciilifeform;and nsa picks the ones it likes.
1234370;1439266576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technically, it's open.
1234371;1439266577;asciilifeform;*untermenschen
1234372;1439266581;asciilifeform;open to aryans.
1234373;1439266581;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ya, i dun seriously think so either.
1234374;1439266586;mircea_popescu;reddit notably also publishes through an open process.
1234375;1439266590;mircea_popescu;also like rijndael
1234376;1439266603;mircea_popescu;rijnddit.
1234377;1439266645;asciilifeform;phun phakt: the 'dae' is a chick
1234378;1439266679;mats;there are publications detailing the selection process, Chang et. al
1234379;1439266682;asciilifeform;or hm, misremembere
1234380;1439266684;asciilifeform;d
1234381;1439266696;asciilifeform;that was another, forgotten algo
1234382;1439266718;asciilifeform;mats: the selection-for-suitability-for-top-secret process is not public.
1234383;1439266731;asciilifeform;i don't give a flying fuck about the window dressing one.
1234384;1439266754;asciilifeform;the reason why all usg keys are generated at ft. meade and not in the field is also not public.
1234385;1439266777;asciilifeform;unless this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 - counts as 'public'
1234386;1439266779;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gZ2mwl )
1234387;1439266804;mircea_popescu;mats seriously, publications detailing the process ?
1234388;1439266816;mircea_popescu;tell you what. unless i can personally break it, it does not meet my definition of "open".
1234389;1439266827;mircea_popescu;that's what open is : something that continues only inasmuch i do not break it.
1234390;1439266838;mircea_popescu;if it can protect itself, it's closed.
1234391;1439266841;asciilifeform;^
1234392;1439266855;mircea_popescu;so yes, my slavegirls are open processes.
1234393;1439266866;mats;as you suggest, open-ness is subject to personal definitions
1234394;1439266869;mircea_popescu;that'd be about it. claims to the contrary are an exercise in directed disingenuity.
1234395;1439266919;mircea_popescu;and there's nothing wrong with it being a closed process, either. other than - don't expect folks whoi aren't politically alligned to give a slightest fuck.
1234396;1439266937;mircea_popescu;not like the us police implements the rules dreamed up byu the supreme soviet of north korea
1234397;1439266950;mircea_popescu;and this without any discussion of the merits. as great as they may be. and without even reading them.
1234398;1439266959;mircea_popescu;because they make very strictly no difference whatsoever.
1234399;1439267067;asciilifeform;it always boggled my mind how anyone could have ever seen 'fips' etc. as representing anything other than 'breakable by usg with reasonable cost'
1234400;1439267117;asciilifeform;(more of an observation re: ciphers than hashes. until recently, usg did not give a rat's arse re: hashes)
1234401;1439267154;BingoBoingo;Related: "I stopped going to school because people were kicking my ass" - Mike Tyson
1234402;1439267243;wilbns;A different take on OBEY art and apparel: http://mileswmathis.com/obey.pdf
1234403;1439267245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzXjQV )
1234404;1439267272;BingoBoingo;If I recall SHA-3 draft FPGA outdates Bitcoin mining FPGA
1234405;1439267277;mats;well, hand-waving aside, "SHA-3 has no known security issues, whereas SHA-1, MD5, and SHA-512 are susceptible to length-extension. SHA-1 and MD5 are vulnerable to collision attacks, which are expensive for SHA-1, but which are cheap and allow chosen-prefixes for MD5."
1234406;1439267306;asciilifeform;md5 long buried, and cement poured over the grave
1234407;1439267338;mircea_popescu;sha 512 length extension was demonstrated ?
1234408;1439267372;asciilifeform;length extension is an operator error thing strictly.
1234409;1439267414;asciilifeform;can be entirely ruled out in a correct design.
1234410;1439267497;wilbns;excerpt: "We are told that the OBEY sign, with or without the GIANT sign, is anti-authoritarian.  But is the fact
1234411;1439267497;wilbns;that a lot of young people are wearing shirts with the words OBEY on them—without knowing
1234412;1439267497;wilbns;anything about the artistic, historical, or “anti-propaganda” significance of all this—really anti-
1234413;1439267497;wilbns;authoritarian?  Or is it just the excuse to get the word OBEY up everywhere?"
1234414;1439267501;mircea_popescu;directed disingenuity. as per usual.
1234415;1439267697;*;BingoBoingo though anyways SHA-3 was proposed entirely on the pretense of "speed"
1234416;1439267778;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, like aes.
1234417;1439267784;asciilifeform;it's always 'speed' with these folk
1234418;1439267787;asciilifeform;(except when not)
1234419;1439267812;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That. Or like Elliptic curve in lieu of RSA
1234420;1439267845;BingoBoingo;"less bits moar fast"
1234421;1439267858;mircea_popescu;less bats moar fist.
1234422;1439267879;asciilifeform;!b 2
1234423;1439267880;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18YFRKH.txt )
1234424;1439267884;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> less bats moar fist. << But dat leverage the bat offers
1234425;1439267907;*;asciilifeform to bed
1234426;1439268302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.0006042 = 3.2512 BTC [+] {3} 
1234427;1439268307;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1234428;1439268313;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 265.71, vol: 10109.50102694 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 259.7, vol: 4667.24404 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 266.92, vol: 10902.84743969 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 274.99, vol: 24.41692709 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 262.945802, vol: 13619.38950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 263.0, vol: 38.83709689 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 273.291947449, vol: 71.54484674 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1234429;1439268319;BingoBoingo;;;more
1234430;1439268319;gribble;264.395376103
1234431;1439268332;BingoBoingo;dat dpear davout
1234432;1439268346;BingoBoingo;*spread
1234433;1439269329;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf http://dpaste.com/2Q2YKDB
1234434;1439269331;assbot;dpaste: 2Q2YKDB ... ( http://bit.ly/1Weoti3 )
1234435;1439269331;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1234436;1439270799;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-moves-to-devalue-the-yuan-1439258401
1234437;1439270800;assbot;China Moves to Devalue Yuan - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeqPgZ )
1234438;1439272076;trinque;Varia_Varietat+| Guys I forgot the passphase on the key I just made. << wahahaha!
1234439;1439272114;trinque;study your gentoo install in the meanwhile.
1234440;1439272673;BingoBoingo;trinque: He's on OpenBSD now and a six month hold order
1234441;1439272692;funkenstein_;"tightly controlled currency" in what sense do you think mats?
1234442;1439272712;BingoBoingo;Most accurate movie review ever http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=mad_max_hell_yeah
1234443;1439272713;assbot;Mad Max: The only review you need to read for the only movie you need to watch. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3kMZk )
1234444;1439272878;pete_dushenski;notbad.
1234445;1439272950;pete_dushenski;"This part looks so awesome that Mad Max even pauses during the action just to watch people blow up. It's as if he knows he's acting in this awesome movie and he's getting paid to do his job, but even he can't help but sit back and think about how cool his life is going to be after this movie and how he's going to spend the rest of his life getting his knob polished by conjoined supermodel twins for being in thi
1234446;1439272950;pete_dushenski;s awesome scene. " << par for the 2015 meta-movie course
1234447;1439272950;scoopbot_revived;Bully for you. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/11/bully-for-you/
1234448;1439272972;pete_dushenski;^longer one for y'all
1234449;1439273012;trinque;BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is probably a much better n00b suggestion
1234450;1439273014;pete_dushenski;spoiler alert : i was bullied, but i was also a bully !
1234451;1439273017;trinque;great installer, for example
1234452;1439273031;BingoBoingo;trinque: OpenBSD is the new Ubuntu 10.04
1234453;1439273061;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Movie is that good
1234454;1439273119;BingoBoingo;One big car chase
1234455;1439273169;pete_dushenski;i've heard nothing but positive reviews of it
1234456;1439273175;pete_dushenski;here, meatwot, everywhere !
1234457;1439273217;mats;funkenstein_: how else? central bank carefully and regularly buys and sells it in domestic forex market
1234458;1439273223;pete_dushenski;speaking of movie recommendations : pumping iron (1977)
1234459;1439273236;pete_dushenski;arnold schwarzeneggar
1234460;1439273240;BingoBoingo;trinque: Of course if you've not seem the previous Mad Max sequels best to follow its watchings with 2, thunderdome, then a rewatching
1234461;1439273242;trinque;man, I love Maddox so much
1234462;1439273274;BingoBoingo;Pumping Iron is good, but the Starz movie champs seems to cover a yet more masculine competition
1234463;1439273378;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The way you enjoy car culture some Immortan Joe seems necessary
1234464;1439273419;pete_dushenski;i tried watching the original, 10 minutes was all i could take.
1234465;1439273443;mats;yes, mad max originals are boring compared to fury road
1234466;1439273444;funkenstein_;mats, ok.. but isn't that what zimbabwe central bank did too?
1234467;1439273567;BingoBoingo;Really every Mad Max except for the original is great
1234468;1439273623;BingoBoingo;2 is probably best
1234469;1439273642;pete_dushenski;i can't for the life of me understand why all the news about china's currency devaluation is all '2nd largest global economy' blah blah re: china.
1234470;1439273658;pete_dushenski;china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ?
1234471;1439273667;mats;funkenstein_: I don't know specifics of ZWD collapse, but let's say yes, so what?
1234472;1439273735;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ? << Same reason Zynga is an ongoing concern instead of a cauterized wound
1234473;1439273768;funkenstein_;just struck me as an amusing phrase :)
1234474;1439273774;mats;http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2015/08/full-trustzone-exploit-for-msm8974.html
1234475;1439273775;assbot;Bits, Please!: Full TrustZone exploit for MSM8974 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3lBRX )
1234476;1439273848;mats;funkenstein_: I imagine the particular use arises from the nearly daily management of the rate
1234477;1439273895;mats;http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/MoVfuscator_Writeup
1234478;1439273896;assbot;MoVfuscator Writeup - YobiWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGCsE0 )
1234479;1439273917;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: basically, dreams die hardest.
1234480;1439273938;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: As a strength each Mad Max installment is completely independent. In order of interesting I rate then 2.4.3.1
1234481;1439273945;BingoBoingo;*order them
1234482;1439273969;funkenstein_;i was at first surprised how easily it appears for people to arb. CNH/USD/BTC
1234483;1439273972;*;BingoBoingo drunk watching 4 again
1234484;1439273989;BingoBoingo;<funkenstein_> i was at first surprised how easily it appears for people to arb. CNH/USD/BTC << And hen you actually try it
1234485;1439274015;mats;first link is re: Snapdragon 800, second is 'a beautiful single instruction C compiler leveraging the paper "mov is Turing-complete" [https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sd601/papers/mov.pdf] by Stephen Dolan.'
1234486;1439274096;funkenstein_;if capital controls were effective, there would be differences
1234487;1439274129;BingoBoingo;Capital is not controlled by capital
1234488;1439274138;funkenstein_;:D
1234489;1439274463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124226 @ 0.00060363 = 74.9865 BTC [+] {3} 
1234490;1439274524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27224 @ 0.00060849 = 16.5655 BTC [+] {2} 
1234491;1439277882;BingoBoingo;My favorite aspect of Mad Max is he kills every budding socialist civilization he comes across
1234492;1439278881;ag3nt_zer0;classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqgnaWuaaQ4
1234493;1439278882;assbot;Donald Trump turns black women into Republicans - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeE3dB )
1234494;1439280214;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-protesters-police-gather-on-west-florissant-avenue-state-of/article_7564c9cb-cc89-58cb-8787-4aaa91bcccaa.html << I'm staying out of the city.
1234495;1439280215;assbot;Ferguson protesters, police gather on West Florissant Avenue; state of emergency declared in county : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeGKvT )
1234496;1439280228;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1234497;1439280270;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/music/kevin-johnson/fox-cancels-empire-bus-tour-in-st-louis-over-ferguson/article_ee3bff27-ceea-57d9-a7a3-aa1b77ce63ff.html
1234498;1439280271;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeGPQ5 )
1234499;1439280327;BingoBoingo;But in better local news http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cards-have-lapped-the-rest-of-baseball-in-run-prevention/article_35332f6e-1039-5556-8842-48dfc794b51f.html
1234500;1439280328;assbot;Cards have 'lapped the rest of baseball' in run prevention : Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeGY5X )
1234501;1439280427;BingoBoingo;Also in ++Local news, the anti Zynga http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordon-here-s-how-the-cards-should-spend-all-that/article_c3000435-50d2-5fcd-81b9-d18ecf110eac.html
1234502;1439280507;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234365 <<< i said your fender flags were ugly, not your first born, get over it princess!
1234503;1439280507;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 04:15:45; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: me think cazalla is on a similar hunt ?
1234504;1439280662;BingoBoingo;Aussie and Candidian are different kinds of Anglo degeneracy
1234505;1439280697;Vexual;canadians just have more money
1234506;1439280711;cazalla;thought you were dead or something Vexual
1234507;1439280731;Vexual;bad luck
1234508;1439280817;Vexual;as you know caz, aussies are hard to kill
1234509;1439281095;Vexual;how goes sobriety?
1234510;1439281119;cazalla;i had a few beers friday night but other than that, good
1234511;1439281382;BingoBoingo;!up btcdrak
1234512;1439281553;shinohai;Nice summary of copay BingoBoingo (tagged "shitware")
1234513;1439281578;BingoBoingo;shinohai: "shitware" is one of qntra's oldest established tags
1234514;1439281611;shinohai;hue
1234515;1439281644;shinohai;One day I should like to write something for qntra.
1234516;1439281655;BingoBoingo;shinohai: The do it.
1234517;1439281667;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Seize your dreams and do it.
1234518;1439281675;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Just do it.
1234519;1439281691;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234449 <<< ya even i managed to get that an xfce up and running
1234520;1439281691;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 06:03:32; trinque: BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is probably a much better n00b suggestion
1234521;1439281692;shinohai;doob it is more like it.
1234522;1439281702;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Do it.
1234523;1439281743;shinohai;I'm not much in the politics arena, it will have to be something along the lines of shitcoin or redditard bashing.
1234524;1439281743;BingoBoingo;cazalla: n6 managed to. Just needs 6 months to catch up to civilized folk.
1234525;1439281748;shinohai;That's my specialty.
1234526;1439281788;shinohai;n6 finally decided what distro to use? After naming off like 20 yesterday?
1234527;1439281797;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Just find something and do it.
1234528;1439281801;shinohai;kk
1234529;1439281835;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPrPNpzLHIk
1234530;1439281917;Vexual;shinohai, you're texan?
1234531;1439281937;shinohai;No, I'm from GA
1234532;1439281947;shinohai;fuckin Atlanta
1234533;1439281978;Vexual;shit, soz
1234534;1439281984;shinohai;xD
1234535;1439281994;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I told n6 to just install OpenBSD. Then he found a guide to set up a "desktop" which convinced him to edit fstab (treat as read only). Got him to reinstall and find a saner guide. Didn't check his hardware and because Nvidia his resolution is painful. Directed to keep reading man pages.
1234536;1439282050;BingoBoingo;shinohai: How about them Braves?
1234537;1439282058;shinohai;I spent 2-3 hours in PM's trying to get him up to speed on gpg and stuff
1234538;1439282071;shinohai;I fucking hate the Braves.
1234539;1439282083;BingoBoingo;After that he forgot his GPG password and I quit
1234540;1439282095;shinohai;!up Vexual
1234541;1439282117;shinohai;srsly, forgot his GPG passphrase.
1234542;1439282122;shinohai;God help us.
1234543;1439282126;Vexual;lol
1234544;1439282130;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> I spent 2-3 hours in PM's trying to get him up to speed on gpg and stuff << Going into the future this is a serious meat DoS attack vector
1234545;1439282150;shinohai;elaborate?
1234546;1439282185;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234535 <<< yeah, i had to buy a $20 ATI card and turf the nvidia 580gt for my install, ended up back on nigbuntu though due to a few reasons
1234547;1439282185;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 08:33:14; BingoBoingo: shinohai: I told n6 to just install OpenBSD. Then he found a guide to set up a "desktop" which convinced him to edit fstab (treat as read only). Got him to reinstall and find a saner guide. Didn't check his hardware and because Nvidia his resolution is painful. Directed to keep reading man pages.
1234548;1439282253;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Well if someone he's getting syn's at their brain ack'd it's the same as what happens at the internet socket
1234549;1439282318;shinohai;I don't mind trying to help someone, like I stated earlier I just didn't have my crayons handy for the type of approach he needed.
1234550;1439282379;BingoBoingo;At some point though people are going to help themselves.
1234551;1439282380;shinohai;The agora crowd can learn GPG while spaced out on LSD, shouldn't be that hard.
1234552;1439282389;Vexual;lol
1234553;1439282408;BingoBoingo;This may be the waning time of helping people to get into the WoT
1234554;1439282448;Vexual;bassbot has me ignore, ill need some fierce lsd to calc
1234555;1439282487;shinohai;No one wants to *do* anything BingoBoingo, they like instant validation you get by repeating whatever someone says on r/bitcoin now.
1234556;1439282516;shinohai;HEY I GOT 78 UPVOATS, HURR DURR FOR ME
1234557;1439282610;shinohai;One day I'll be as famous as Vitalik Bullshitterin.
1234558;1439282686;BingoBoingo;shinohai: The Phillipenis accepts that sure. But we've been under a variety of sustained attacks for a while. I'm getting to the point now where I really have trouble assuming n00bs are well intentioned like I may have in 2013.
1234559;1439282792;shinohai;:/
1234560;1439282827;shinohai;I was about ready to give up on bitcoin until I found this place.
1234561;1439282886;BingoBoingo;I mean if someone can't follow instructions other people succeed on. Time spent is a waste. Wasting that time is a resource to be attacked.
1234562;1439282924;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IVP8R8jTs
1234563;1439282926;shinohai;But what can ya do, all one can do is present the facts and hope it penetrates someoes thick skull and finds fetile brain matter on which to germinate.
1234564;1439282947;shinohai;*fertile
1234565;1439283158;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GumwrV2zIio
1234566;1439283303;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Consider if someone wastes an hour of my time, I've usually got lots of time. No big deal. If on the other hand that person manages to waste 15 minutes of asciilifeform's time we have experienced a tragic loss.
1234567;1439283366;Vexual;that dude uses his time as he pleases
1234568;1439283406;BingoBoingo;When the last pre-0.8 wedge came through I suspected it was a BDB issue but alf was the one to euthanize it at the root.
1234569;1439283512;shinohai;Well BingoBoingo those space cadets I mentioned earlier are perfectly happy to *pay* for an hour or two of my time, and are surprisingly apt students. They gotta be - No GPG = No drugs.
1234570;1439283575;shinohai;Here is a different story. If someone expresses an interest in therealbitcoin I want to help, because more nodes.
1234571;1439283585;shinohai;But takes all kinds I guess.
1234572;1439283599;BingoBoingo;In my current situation knowingly servicing the drug crowd for pay is too much risk. I'm out on bail. If they want to even ask for my service and get acknowledged they need GPG down already.
1234573;1439283622;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> Here is a different story. If someone expresses an interest in therealbitcoin I want to help, because more nodes. << First lesson of reddit is randos don't run nodes
1234574;1439283766;shinohai;No, reddit prefers to offer their opinions on bitcoin, as if that helps.
1234575;1439283772;Vexual;hola hasimir
1234576;1439283852;Vexual;no nuggets?
1234577;1439283915;BingoBoingo;!up Hasimir
1234578;1439283927;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1234579;1439283970;BingoBoingo;shinohai: See. Opinions can have an effect though if they are actionable and acted upon.
1234580;1439283976;cazalla;looks like voat is doing some guerilla marketing/spamming http://dpaste.com/2574M6Q.txt
1234581;1439283978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1El02V4 )
1234582;1439284025;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Oh, I thought they were too busy trying to stay up.
1234583;1439284029;shinohai;That's true, most of these "opinions" are just regurgitated talk from the guy that commented above you.
1234584;1439284129;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/bitcointrader/comments/400299
1234585;1439284130;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1El0fHR )
1234586;1439284131;shinohai;Have you guys seen that other voat-like site that popped up in the wake of the reddit brouhaha? Lets you "upvote" with pencil-shavings of btc, ltc, and doge.
1234587;1439284143;BingoBoingo;Nah
1234588;1439284176;shinohai;http://www.bitvoat.com/
1234589;1439284178;assbot;BitVoat - UpVoat with Crypto! BitVoat ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1TBv7 )
1234590;1439284601;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ggd71/hearing_these_poor_women_desperately_begging_us/cty184g
1234591;1439284603;assbot;yayalorde comments on "Hearing these poor women desperately begging us to take their credit card numbers so they could put up an ad to feed their families changed everything." ... ( http://bit.ly/1El0PFz )
1234592;1439284788;punkman;reddit is getting too much airtime
1234593;1439284791;Vexual;that'll be $35
1234594;1439284878;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE
1234595;1439285029;Vexual;thought on the yuan ounk?
1234596;1439285074;Vexual;*punkman
1234597;1439285090;punkman;oh they devalued again?
1234598;1439285126;punkman;"the move was a "one-off depreciation" of 1.9% in a move to make the exchange rate more market-oriented. "
1234599;1439285136;punkman;1.9% pfft
1234600;1439285150;Vexual;one of many?
1234601;1439285174;Hasimir;yo, what's up?
1234602;1439285178;Vexual;hey
1234603;1439285178;punkman;so their exports slumped, let's make our shit cheaper?
1234604;1439285184;Vexual;maybe
1234605;1439285229;Hasimir;or did I just disconnect and autoreconect again?
1234606;1439285254;punkman;they gotta manage everything "The midpoint for the yuan is now set at 6.2298 to $1, up from 6.1162 yuan on Monday. The People's Bank of China (POBC) manages the rate through the official  midpoint, from which trade can rise or fall 2% on any given day."
1234607;1439285256;*;Hasimir prods the flakey dsl 
1234608;1439285259;Vexual;sauna to the snow?
1234609;1439285277;Hasimir;yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)
1234610;1439285283;Vexual;:)
1234611;1439285400;Vexual;commerxbank think they want into imf
1234612;1439285445;Vexual;shitstory
1234613;1439285512;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8APYF0kkas
1234614;1439285700;Vexual;hasimar ass we see is what you say
1234615;1439285731;shinohai;BingoBoingo u still there m8
1234616;1439285776;shinohai;!up Vexual
1234617;1439285802;Vexual;*all
1234618;1439286057;punkman;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/lenovo-announces-powerhouse-laptops-powered-by-new-mobile-xeon-processors/
1234619;1439286059;assbot;Lenovo announces powerhouse laptops powered by new mobile Xeon processors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1El20ol )
1234620;1439286072;punkman;(with ECC ram)
1234621;1439286182;punkman;http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2015/08/10/computer-scientists-have-looked-for-solution-that-doesn-exist/tXO0qNRnbKrClfUPmavifK/story.html
1234622;1439286182;assbot;For 40 years, computer scientists looked for a solution that doesn’t exist - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1El28EC )
1234623;1439286442;shinohai;Interesting article.
1234624;1439286621;Vexual;i find it hard to swallow
1234625;1439287223;Vexual;in any aother system you might find a maximum efficiency
1234626;1439287453;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVMnQ1ypjmY
1234627;1439287667;punkman;!up Vexual
1234628;1439288852;shinohai;!up muruc
1234629;1439290445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 597 @ 0.00208192 = 1.2429 BTC [+]
1234630;1439292031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3915 @ 0.00058919 = 2.3067 BTC [-] {2} 
1234631;1439292323;mircea_popescu;sooo, i got a rather amusing internal report from reddit. it would seem that
1234632;1439292431;mircea_popescu;a) very few entries actually get > 100 upvotes. as in, it's happened twice so far this year. b) the number of negative votes exceeds the positive by a degree of magnitude or more on average, and regularly by two degrees on "popular" items. when this doesn't happen it's always obscure stories with one or two votes.
1234633;1439292503;shinohai;O.o
1234634;1439292516;mircea_popescu;c) to cope with this situations the admins universally make up random vote counts ; d) to cope with the shortage of manpower this causes all sorts of exponential factorizations are used, which means that in practice a story is first "fast tracked" which means some admin ticks a box and from there on it gets all sorts of factors and additions
1234635;1439292537;mircea_popescu;e) the system is pretty byzantine so that admins regularly can not predict what the results of their choices will actually be
1234636;1439292692;mircea_popescu;f) they tried all sorts of experimental "harness the negative votes" but nothing could be made to werk
1234637;1439292753;mircea_popescu;and finally g) they've been bleeding people from engineering at an ever accelerating rate since 2010 (or earlier) and by now it's so bad  people leave during the first three months as a regular occurence. they briefly and unsuccessfully tried the "pay more" approach, it didn't do much, currently they've practically given up on the problem altogether.
1234638;1439292850;mircea_popescu;along with all sorts of personally damning tidbits and a treasure trove of all sorts of lols.
1234639;1439292898;mircea_popescu;welll... no, not really "all sorts". "autistic usian" sorts.
1234640;1439292985;shinohai;reddit is doomed to go the way of digg
1234641;1439293079;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, no, because apparently all sorts of people (who otherwise have no money and no influence, which is to say - their inept choices ands valuations have stranded them irl) think it's incredibly important and valuable!
1234642;1439293122;shinohai;Conde Nast I guess feels the need to dump resources into it.
1234643;1439293122;mircea_popescu;these'd be all sorts of self-described activists, which in any other place'd be known as "political arivists" except this doesn't apply because they're actually too fat/lazy/lost in self to even have ambitions.
1234644;1439293192;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's alltogether more layered laziness, such as, "if i give up the delusion that my activity on the rickety house of cards we call reddit matters, i will have to find other work to do as part of my being politically important, which is hard and risks requiring me looking up from the tablet or going out of starbucks. so let's instead pretend."
1234645;1439293231;mircea_popescu;in any case, reddit's gonna die its own, livejournal-y sort of death. digg iirc died when it crashed against a thick brick wall of "nobody cares".
1234646;1439293279;shinohai;You recall correctly.
1234647;1439293790;shinohai;Anyone here used vee as a blogging platform ?
1234648;1439293815;mircea_popescu;nop
1234649;1439293841;shinohai;Comes pre-installed on my NetBSD shell. May give it a whirl sometimes.
1234650;1439294342;mircea_popescu;mats the true question is whether this is a test run and they hit it again more to the tune of 30-40% later in the year.
1234651;1439294369;mircea_popescu;it's one way to fix their major capital allocation issues / bad provincial govt "investment" / valuable real estate on paper etc.
1234652;1439294446;mircea_popescu;the most relevant part of all this to bitcoin being that price stickiness (principally, the stubborn refusal of old people to admit that real estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it) may very well require inflation as the best social solution.
1234653;1439294463;mircea_popescu;by a damned sight better than say, beatings. and it's altogether unclear an alternative to these exists.
1234654;1439294507;mircea_popescu;balzac's french contemporaries (who were on the napoleon gold standard) pretty much used the beatings, which did make for great literature but really a rather miserable society.
1234655;1439294587;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234457 << greatly helped by the fact that said central bank is both the world's largest holder of domestic currency as well as the various foreign currency. it has more dollars than the fed, for instance.
1234656;1439294587;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 06:06:57; mats: funkenstein_: how else? central bank carefully and regularly buys and sells it in domestic forex market
1234657;1439294604;mircea_popescu;due to that position, the yuan's simply worth whatever the fuck they say it's worth.
1234658;1439294755;mircea_popescu;"In the future, everyone has a war machine, nobody wears seatbelts and everyone tries to be as flammable as possible. Damn right."
1234659;1439294760;mircea_popescu;is this guy from utah or something ?
1234660;1439294872;mircea_popescu;and re charlize theron : i get it, chicks not really able to act, but is very pretty, so she's going to do either porn or action movies (which really aren't in any sense distinct). makes sense. what doesn't make sense is this bodily self-loathing hot women in hollywood seem to have gotten into the past few years.
1234661;1439294932;mircea_popescu;angelina jolie is following the psychotic body mod trends of every zsa zsa gabor since the 50s, except she's not lifting her skin to the point her bellybutton adorns her chin, instead she's taking out her ovaries, the fat in her tits and i suppose putting in an armenian unibrow next, because hey.
1234662;1439294936;mircea_popescu;feminity is bad mkay!
1234663;1439295001;mircea_popescu;the unholy alliance of the pretty airhead and the horde of self-loathing hamplanets where the latter convince the former that they should grind their face on sandpaper and cut off her nipples because the ugliest she gets, the "better"
1234664;1439295005;mircea_popescu;craaaazy.
1234665;1439295330;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234466 << at no point did afrifail central bank EVER buy its own worthless paper.
1234666;1439295330;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 06:10:44; funkenstein_: mats, ok.. but isn't that what zimbabwe central bank did too?
1234667;1439295334;*;shinohai tosses his pogoplug in the garbage disposal, gives up on stupid arm processors and cross-compiling.
1234668;1439295347;mircea_popescu;;/
1234669;1439295454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234471 << i have nfi what the guy is on about, sort-of like "oh, so nasa launched a satellite ? isn't that what the nazis did too ???" no, it isn't, and wtf.
1234670;1439295454;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 06:14:27; mats: funkenstein_: I don't know specifics of ZWD collapse, but let's say yes, so what?
1234671;1439295612;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234470 << in its own mind the us is always going to be firstest bestest. it ends as the twerps in question die out, britannia also thought itself first bestsest 4evar!! all through the 30s, and the 40s, and the 50s (remember the humiliation they and the french got in egypt, bested by sadat ?) and so on. it died meanwhile through the biological process of, "the old people
1234672;1439295612;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 06:14:18; pete_dushenski: china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ?
1234673;1439295613;mircea_popescu;stubbornly refusing to admit that ideological estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it eventually die"
1234674;1439295678;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, all the things "we" dislike about postmodernism, specifically the deluge of cultural artefacts (ideas, as opposed to [civilisational] artefacts, ie items) may well be the unavoidably necessary equivalent to inflation, to wash away the idiocy of these guys without having to beat them up/
1234675;1439295766;shinohai;Shitty old AMD laptop: 1, Shiny pogo: 0
1234676;1439295777;mircea_popescu;otherwise you'll get "brownstone is the best stone" and "american ideas must prevail everywhere" endlessly.
1234677;1439295826;mircea_popescu;shinohai maybe i don't understand crosscompilation, but a) shouldn't it work on pogo if you ever got it to compile/link anywhere ? and b) wasn't the idea to avoid compiling for the pogo ON THE POGO anyway ?
1234678;1439295895;shinohai;I tried with the pogotron instructions, have read hours upon hours about buildroot, tried writing my own build scripts, etc. Nothing.
1234679;1439295906;shinohai;Compiling ON the pogo is pointless.
1234680;1439295910;mircea_popescu;le suck.
1234681;1439295984;shinohai;I have yet to find anyone willing to let me peek at their buildlog that *has* sucessfully done this.
1234682;1439295997;shinohai;So x86_64 for me.
1234683;1439296076;shinohai;Which btw I am at height 109638 on the one we built this weekend past. Runs good.
1234684;1439296084;shinohai;*209638
1234685;1439296727;mircea_popescu;uh.
1234686;1439296738;mircea_popescu;shinohai what build is this, rotor ?
1234687;1439296746;shinohai;yup
1234688;1439296801;shinohai;prefixing LC_ALL=C is a bit annoying, but not a dealbreaker
1234689;1439296803;mircea_popescu;would someone who managed this please post logs ?
1234690;1439296811;mircea_popescu;iirc in the end hanbot did at the very least.
1234691;1439296825;mircea_popescu;shinohai what's needed, the buildlog ?
1234692;1439296826;shinohai;hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o
1234693;1439296867;shinohai;Yes a buildlog, any relevant notes someone can include.
1234694;1439296868;mircea_popescu;iirc she did manage rotor yest ?
1234695;1439296878;mircea_popescu;i think all this is coming. like, this week.
1234696;1439296894;shinohai;I'm not below doing my own research but this one has me totally stumped.
1234697;1439296964;*;shinohai retrieves his pogo from the disposal and puts it back on the shelf.
1234698;1439297399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0006085 = 10.3141 BTC [+]
1234699;1439297704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00058919 = 20.4154 BTC [-] {3} 
1234700;1439298060;shinohai;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193440/Heavily-armed-Oath-Keepers-inject-new-unease-riot-hit-Ferguson.html
1234701;1439298061;assbot;Armed patriot Oath Keepers patrol streets of Ferguson with assault rifles | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK83rO )
1234702;1439298293;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234638 << and not posted on trilema because ...
1234703;1439298293;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 11:34:10; mircea_popescu: along with all sorts of personally damning tidbits and a treasure trove of all sorts of lols.
1234704;1439298395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not THAT reliable.
1234705;1439298404;mircea_popescu;moreover, trilema is not a news rag, it's a personal blog.
1234706;1439298413;asciilifeform;well then dpaste.
1234707;1439298426;asciilifeform;or wherever unreliable things go.
1234708;1439298469;asciilifeform;watching the rats scramble in their denials would be lulzy.
1234709;1439298505;mircea_popescu;yeah, but also... notrly the best approach
1234710;1439298510;mircea_popescu;if wikileaks has taught us anything.
1234711;1439298616;asciilifeform;keeping the death ray rusting in its holster is also not the best approach, as demonstrated by the nonwiki-leaks
1234712;1439298662;mircea_popescu;this ain't no kind of deathray. the (incidentally : verifiable) maybe-deathray-esque parts are above in any case.
1234713;1439298672;asciilifeform;was gonna say
1234714;1439298679;asciilifeform;if they use deterministic diddles, hypothesis is testable.
1234715;1439298695;asciilifeform;but needs max detail.
1234716;1439298704;mircea_popescu;apparently there's about a dozen or two  diddle "profiles"
1234717;1439298718;asciilifeform;even so.
1234718;1439298719;mircea_popescu;and apparently they all are linear functions, ie a+bx
1234719;1439298763;asciilifeform;like the nsa/echelon thing, this is something that just about everyone 'will have always known' after it blows
1234720;1439298768;mircea_popescu;all one needs to do is keep screenshots over fixed time intervals. eventually the data should be indicative.
1234721;1439298775;mircea_popescu;where eventually = maybe months ?
1234722;1439298778;asciilifeform;aha.
1234723;1439298783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doh.
1234724;1439298784;asciilifeform;just lolling in advance over it
1234725;1439298853;asciilifeform;anyway imho the full text oughta be posted. but it's mircea_popescu's death ray, not mine.
1234726;1439298883;asciilifeform;perhaps he wants to let enemy draw in before firing.
1234727;1439298978;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234652 << how the hell does inflation dekulakize old farts with real estate? if anything, does the exact opposite.
1234728;1439298978;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 12:00:46; mircea_popescu: the most relevant part of all this to bitcoin being that price stickiness (principally, the stubborn refusal of old people to admit that real estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it) may very well require inflation as the best social solution.
1234729;1439298995;asciilifeform;500k cardboard hovels in us suburbia are creations of inflation
1234730;1439298995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you reason ?
1234731;1439299007;mircea_popescu;hehe. but they should have been 2x that, without it.
1234732;1439299018;asciilifeform;will be 2x next year
1234733;1439299036;mircea_popescu;yes, real estate allows them to "profit" from inflation, in the sense of being taxed at 30% instead of 65%
1234734;1439299045;mircea_popescu;this is not unlike the idiot jews in ghetto taking jobs for germans.
1234735;1439299049;asciilifeform;without it they'd cost what they cost in 1971 or whenever built
1234736;1439299053;mircea_popescu;mno.
1234737;1439299058;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1234738;1439299063;asciilifeform;why not
1234739;1439299063;mircea_popescu;this is beyond naive.
1234740;1439299073;mircea_popescu;because the context has changed. in 1971 a lot of schmucks knew their place.
1234741;1439299081;mircea_popescu;that do not know it today.
1234742;1439299132;mircea_popescu;chiefly through the process of, the world of 1971 not being worth two shits in the terms of today.
1234743;1439299150;asciilifeform;thought it was the reverse ?
1234744;1439299164;asciilifeform;(how many current 'engineers' could pass 1971 exam? etc)
1234745;1439299165;mircea_popescu;that's the conundrum.
1234746;1439299194;mircea_popescu;see, admire the beauty of it. how much would an ipad be worth in 1971 ?
1234747;1439299204;mircea_popescu;much enough that it was put in fucking star trek, right ?
1234748;1439299231;asciilifeform;actually the folks of '71 would cry if shown one
1234749;1439299233;mircea_popescu;the entire "apple stock could buy russia" is nothing more and nothing else than, "you could probably buy all of 1971"
1234750;1439299238;asciilifeform;'this ought to have been in '78'
1234751;1439299245;mircea_popescu;lol
1234752;1439299260;asciilifeform;alan kay described a device vastly superior, 'dynabook', that he proposed could be built in only a few years from the time of writing
1234753;1439299279;asciilifeform;he assumed that men would remain equally capable while si fab advances
1234754;1439299281;mircea_popescu;im sure some uppity redskin proposed the steam engine, too.
1234755;1439299283;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1234756;1439299327;asciilifeform;let's put it this way
1234757;1439299361;asciilifeform;at one point i bought an 'hp 200lx', 'palmtop'. vastly superior to ~anything~ in that device class made since
1234758;1439299363;asciilifeform;1994.
1234759;1439299383;asciilifeform;find me something else with a keyboard that will run on two 'aa' battery for a MONTH
1234760;1439299385;asciilifeform;MOTHERFUCKERS
1234761;1439299388;asciilifeform;no such thing
1234762;1439299454;mircea_popescu;aha.
1234763;1439299481;mircea_popescu;and yet...
1234764;1439299488;asciilifeform;so no, i highly doubt that you would properly astonish an educated man of 1971 with ~anything~ seen today
1234765;1439299495;asciilifeform;other than the decay and degeneracy
1234766;1439299499;mircea_popescu;what educated ? i'm not selling to the educated.
1234767;1439299517;asciilifeform;if selling to muppets, can find plenty today
1234768;1439299523;mircea_popescu;you understand ? the society of 1971 is just as broken as this one, but not actually raped yet.
1234769;1439299530;mircea_popescu;huge profits could be driven by raping it from the future.
1234770;1439299544;asciilifeform;this is the plot for 1,001 cheap 'alt history' yarns, aha.
1234771;1439299549;mircea_popescu;which is the point. the "1971 educated man" does not yet know he's an imbecile.
1234772;1439299555;mircea_popescu;au contraire, he expects himself quite smart.
1234773;1439299558;asciilifeform;except that they usually feature 1871
1234774;1439299562;mircea_popescu;yet the continuation of his imbecility is exactly 2015.
1234775;1439299562;asciilifeform;or 1671, more commonly.
1234776;1439299581;mircea_popescu;it's not like the aliens came in and made the country stupid.
1234777;1439299594;mircea_popescu;this was a convenient excuse in romania, "things went to shit because teh russians are making us do it !111"
1234778;1439299598;mircea_popescu;rrrrrheally nao.
1234779;1439299604;mircea_popescu;who invaded the us ?
1234780;1439299624;asciilifeform;massachusetts!
1234781;1439299627;asciilifeform;who else.
1234782;1439299635;mircea_popescu;so - without inflation they'd still be around, derping on, as if their ideas and values are valuable and useful.
1234783;1439299638;mircea_popescu;looky where they lead.
1234784;1439299653;asciilifeform;would they?
1234785;1439299659;asciilifeform;or would they get 'goxed'
1234786;1439299667;mircea_popescu;but that's the goxing - inflation.
1234787;1439299669;asciilifeform;there is more than one way for idiots to lose everything
1234788;1439299675;mircea_popescu;or rather, the hounds driving them into goxing
1234789;1439299677;asciilifeform;spain lost its gold.
1234790;1439299679;mircea_popescu;through real estate or w/e
1234791;1439299683;asciilifeform;and not because anyone made more gold.
1234792;1439299695;mircea_popescu;but because the anglos made ipads.
1234793;1439299714;mircea_popescu;which were utter pieces of shit, btw, and what you said above could have been said by italian "educated man" of the time,
1234794;1439299717;mircea_popescu;about the time's trinkets.
1234795;1439299723;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234654 << what the hell is wrong with beatings?
1234796;1439299723;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 12:01:47; mircea_popescu: balzac's french contemporaries (who were on the napoleon gold standard) pretty much used the beatings, which did make for great literature but really a rather miserable society.
1234797;1439299726;mircea_popescu;heck, the same thing was said by educated men of the opium
1234798;1439299727;asciilifeform;beat, beat
1234799;1439299727;mircea_popescu;so ?
1234800;1439299743;mircea_popescu;i say it today, and the conclave of derps is like "hey, mp is just silly, drugs are great mkay"
1234801;1439299751;mircea_popescu;fine, fine, haveityourway.
1234802;1439299778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform beating old people is a bad idea.
1234803;1439299782;asciilifeform;why?
1234804;1439299805;mircea_popescu;in young people and especially young women it is how the fucxk do you say this in english
1234805;1439299847;mircea_popescu;timeout while i research my words lol.
1234806;1439299876;*;asciilifeform admits he rather ~likes~ old people, even most of'em to whom he isn't related by blood, for much the same reason he likes museums
1234807;1439299951;*;asciilifeform still often finds himself walking past these folks, with their enormous houses owned free and clear merely for having been alive 40 years earlier, and thinks 'hm, kulaks'
1234808;1439299982;mircea_popescu;страдание поучительно
1234809;1439299989;mircea_popescu;there we go.
1234810;1439300002;asciilifeform;we did this iirc
1234811;1439300004;mircea_popescu;there's great benefit from toil in youth.
1234812;1439300007;mircea_popescu;yeah meanwhile i remember.
1234813;1439300014;mircea_popescu;that benefit doth not exist in old people.
1234814;1439300022;asciilifeform;didn't say they ought to be beaten educationally
1234815;1439300022;mircea_popescu;they just get sad, and the whole world grows dimmer.
1234816;1439300026;asciilifeform;just eaten.
1234817;1439300029;mircea_popescu;meh.
1234818;1439300113;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234667 << patience
1234819;1439300113;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 12:15:34; *: shinohai tosses his pogoplug in the garbage disposal, gives up on stupid arm processors and cross-compiling.
1234820;1439300136;shinohai;Later on down I did get it back out.
1234821;1439300162;asciilifeform;shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind
1234822;1439300206;asciilifeform;needs two things, 1) hard mempool limiter 2) block index cache moved to disk
1234823;1439300218;asciilifeform;(both discussed in the logs on several occasions)
1234824;1439300275;asciilifeform;the ~existing~ therealbitcoin can run on pogo, yes, if you enable swapping. but just barely. and imho we don't need a thousand more 'just barely' nodes.
1234825;1439300299;shinohai;I did swap when I tried it w/ the precompiled binary.
1234826;1439300316;shinohai;precompiled binaries are boring tho. I don't learn anything.
1234827;1439300323;asciilifeform;shinohai: i think the last one built for pogo ~actually leaks~.
1234828;1439300324;asciilifeform;don't use it
1234829;1439300331;shinohai;It does
1234830;1439300343;shinohai;which is why I am using my spare lappy now
1234831;1439300344;asciilifeform;shinohai: you somehow botched the buildroot. i do not yet know how. when i post mine you can compare
1234832;1439300398;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234663 << ancient idea, at least as old as the legendary amazons
1234833;1439300398;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 12:10:01; mircea_popescu: the unholy alliance of the pretty airhead and the horde of self-loathing hamplanets where the latter convince the former that they should grind their face on sandpaper and cut off her nipples because the ugliest she gets, the "better"
1234834;1439300404;asciilifeform;'get manly by getting ugly'
1234835;1439300435;mircea_popescu;sure, but detrimental.
1234836;1439300442;asciilifeform;no shit.
1234837;1439300444;*;mircea_popescu muchly prefers his manly women be manly intellectually.
1234838;1439300450;asciilifeform;^^^
1234839;1439300451;mircea_popescu;admittedly harder to do. actually works tho.
1234840;1439300469;mircea_popescu;an ugly shitsack's not more manly than the dumpster.
1234841;1439300537;asciilifeform;but seen side by side, illustrates why some go for mutilation
1234842;1439300546;asciilifeform;when 'manly via intellect' is not on the menu!
1234843;1439300549;mircea_popescu;(which reminds me : i once dropped the "how tall are you ? really ?! my god, i didn't know they stacked shit that high" on model chick. great lols were had.)
1234844;1439300647;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234671 << latest generation will 'us is greatest' on account of 'greatest communism' - word is that clitler is running on platform of 'phreeee uni tuition for all plankton'
1234845;1439300647;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 12:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234470 << in its own mind the us is always going to be firstest bestest. it ends as the twerps in question die out, britannia also thought itself first bestsest 4evar!! all through the 30s, and the 40s, and the 50s (remember the humiliation they and the french got in egypt, bested by sadat ?) and so on. it died meanwhile through the biological process o
1234846;1439300674;mircea_popescu;there is no way to avoid that. if I ran my platform would also include free university for everyone.
1234847;1439300694;mircea_popescu;the us has painted itself in a corner and there's simply no way out no matter how you approach the matter.
1234848;1439300717;mircea_popescu;"The Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights organization, has described the 'Oath Keepers' as a 'fiercely anti-government, militaristic group,' and St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar condemned their appearance in Ferguson."
1234849;1439300723;mircea_popescu;so what about this is a bad thing then ?
1234850;1439300747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath
1234851;1439300751;shinohai;Pisses off the black activists something awful.
1234852;1439300763;mircea_popescu;that'd be their problem eh ?
1234853;1439300781;asciilifeform;it being, that they will not fire on u.s. folk, no matter who orders it
1234854;1439300786;mircea_popescu;but obviously it would. their entire shtick relies on the same "but seen side by side, illustrates why some go for mutilation".
1234855;1439300801;mircea_popescu;for the entire nonsense to work, ordinary people must perforce perceive there is "nothing else on the meny"
1234856;1439300821;mircea_popescu;otherwise, in an open market, the "activist" is middling to low tier camwhore.
1234857;1439300841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform problem being that who are they going to fire on then
1234858;1439300852;Apocalyptic;http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/08/11/oracle-drinking-the-kool-aid/ << mega-lol
1234859;1439300853;assbot;Oracle's CSO thinks the company doesn't need security help ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFZRZO )
1234860;1439300875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they haven't run out of untermenschen to 'conquer' at this point quite yet
1234861;1439300880;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ghlh4/i_switched_to_bitcoinxt_to_protest_today_incident/ctyft4v
1234862;1439300882;assbot;creditmoney comments on "I switched to bitcoinxt to protest today incident" … "Do it because it's good for Bitcoin" ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFZX3I )
1234863;1439300885;shinohai;^ best comment of all
1234864;1439300901;mircea_popescu;they have run out of softer targets. there's no "untermenschen" they COULD conquer
1234865;1439300911;asciilifeform;there are the obvious ones
1234866;1439300914;asciilifeform;their own command.
1234867;1439300918;mircea_popescu;even if the untermenschen were all on vacation leaving the unterwomenschen behind and the doors open
1234868;1439300972;mircea_popescu;"I'll ask your opinion on it again next time you have a transaction you need to process in a hurry and the mempool is 5 MB."
1234869;1439300983;mircea_popescu;uhh.,... what, "and i'll spend a quarter and not have a problem" ?
1234870;1439300995;asciilifeform;nah that'd be racist or something
1234871;1439301015;asciilifeform;what of all the poor starving hurrying people who don't have quarterz
1234872;1439301017;asciilifeform;etc
1234873;1439301037;mircea_popescu;...
1234874;1439301048;mircea_popescu;and then you want clinton to do anything but make it free ?
1234875;1439301055;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean pay"
1234876;1439301080;mircea_popescu;"I disagree that I should have to pay in bitcoin or cpu time to get what I want."
1234877;1439301124;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see, i've always been sympathetic to 'sure let's warehouse people while energy is cheap and we don't need to plow by hand' - because i always fukcinghated work.
1234878;1439301128;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234588 <-- just like reddit / imperial elections / box office stats / etc, no means of verification of vote or claimed rating is available to the user.  Draw your own conclusions.
1234879;1439301128;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 09:09:36; shinohai: http://www.bitvoat.com/
1234880;1439301147;asciilifeform;but it isn't like i can personally do my thing in the warehouse
1234881;1439301181;mircea_popescu;not sure where this is coming/going ?
1234882;1439301191;asciilifeform;clitler's 'phree'
1234883;1439301222;shinohai;I drew my conclusion funkenstein_ it promotes dogecoin so scummy
1234884;1439301233;asciilifeform;i object to it on account of being among the designated chumps who will have to starve to pay for the 'phree'
1234885;1439301234;mircea_popescu;i suppose the sticking point is that you for some reason project unrelated matter on it.
1234886;1439301242;mircea_popescu;they will call it "university"
1234887;1439301254;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact no higher learning has happened in the us in two decades at least.
1234888;1439301258;mircea_popescu;so... no. it's adult daycare.
1234889;1439301288;mircea_popescu;and yes you'll have to pay for adult healthcare. doh.
1234890;1439301302;mircea_popescu;this comes with the territory, living in the united states of kindergarten.
1234891;1439301344;asciilifeform;well not exactly. the folks on the other side of the fence get to eat phree, rather than pay.
1234892;1439301361;asciilifeform;they also live here.
1234893;1439301429;asciilifeform;meanwhile...
1234894;1439301430;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/553307AFE540EF3E57BB4D3558C9C7FA88F2C4B81CBCB9F5ADEF116B4055E582
1234895;1439301435;mircea_popescu;lol, this is so funny. looky :
1234896;1439301447;asciilifeform;gcd==357; __test__ <__test__@ribble.cn>
1234897;1439301451;asciilifeform;^ wtf
1234898;1439301467;mircea_popescu;they're the negro slaves of the new, certifiedly non-racist regime. they, just like the previous negro slaves, eat "for free". in exchange, they may not own property, have no disposition of their bodies, and have to do "work"
1234899;1439301480;mircea_popescu;the work they currently do is about as economically useful as handpickingf cotton, for the record.
1234900;1439301486;mircea_popescu;happy now ? you live in the best world possible.
1234901;1439301499;asciilifeform;thing is, i already... own no property; have no disposition of body; and do 'work'
1234902;1439301510;mircea_popescu;so ?
1234903;1439301519;asciilifeform;where's the 'eat for phree'
1234904;1439301551;mircea_popescu;you know, the little discussed secrtet, is that at the time "blacks were enslaved", poor, independent minded whites lived in just about the same conditions throughout the slaveowning states.
1234905;1439301573;asciilifeform;discussed extensively
1234906;1439301594;asciilifeform;and not 'same conditions' - minus the expectations and beatings, no ?
1234907;1439301609;asciilifeform;materially - same,yes
1234908;1439301615;mircea_popescu;materially same, yes.
1234909;1439301621;mircea_popescu;it's what you were saying innit.
1234910;1439301860;shinohai;Did not the Ottomans enslave whites as well?
1234911;1439301951;mircea_popescu;the arabs and the turks preferred black men for labour and white women for ... belabour.
1234912;1439301971;mircea_popescu;which is why "arap" in romanian means black, in the sense of negro slave. because the turks called them "arabs"
1234913;1439302065;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, has survived, a proper thing to wish for the bride at wedding throughout musliv world is "may your kids be light skinned"
1234914;1439302074;shinohai;I can see why if all they got were the same whiny white Xstians we have here in the US today.
1234915;1439302183;mircea_popescu;well... white people can't jump or something.
1234916;1439302464;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234912 << this was the ru parlance as late as the time of peter I.
1234917;1439302464;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 14:06:11; mircea_popescu: which is why "arap" in romanian means black, in the sense of negro slave. because the turks called them "arabs"
1234918;1439302524;mircea_popescu;aha
1234919;1439302529;asciilifeform;e.g., this fella: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB,_%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
1234920;1439302529;assbot;Ганнибал, Абрам Петрович — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHwMd4 )
1234921;1439302530;mircea_popescu;;;google Harap Alb
1234922;1439302531;gribble;Harap Alb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harap_Alb>; The White Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Moor>; De-as fi Harap Alb (1965) The White Moor [English subtitles ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbtyxNSqBsQ>
1234923;1439302551;mircea_popescu;^ super-famous literary work, title works on the contradiction of "White Negro Slave"
1234924;1439302575;mircea_popescu;and moor is nonsense. it literally means "the white nigger"
1234925;1439302604;mircea_popescu;recorded in 1877. part of early school curricula all through early 90s
1234926;1439302644;asciilifeform;from the l0ltrons: http://web.tampabay.com/news/business/tampa-man-accused-of-illegal-bitcoin-exchange-getting-attention-in-new-york/2240829
1234927;1439302646;assbot;Tampa man accused of illegal Bitcoin exchange getting attention in New York | Tampa Bay Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHx7MY )
1234928;1439302653;mircea_popescu;in any case. the "slave" sense is more marked than the "black" sense in there.
1234929;1439302673;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, do you know why white people can't jump?
1234930;1439302679;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT2z0nrsQ8o   <<< My entire knowledge of Russian history in one song
1234931;1439302680;assbot;Rasputin vs Stalin.  Epic Rap Battles of History Season 2 finale. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHxcQJ )
1234932;1439302699;funkenstein_;becaues too busy telling racist jokes
1234933;1439302703;mircea_popescu;i dunno, bird jumped alright back in the day
1234934;1439302714;mircea_popescu;lol i thought this was a black culture theme ?
1234935;1439302740;funkenstein_;:)
1234936;1439302819;funkenstein_;I just read great book "of water and the spirit".  Dagara youth taken by French missionaries, when he returns he is "too white" to be part of his villiage, forgot his language, etc.
1234937;1439302840;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ i'm very vaguely following the black culture stuff, mostly on the grounds that i don't believe it is sterile / doesn't carry much import. so i have nfi. but srsly, you saying the theme is really projected rather than locally brewed ?
1234938;1439302859;mircea_popescu;i do believe it's sterile*
1234939;1439302991;funkenstein_;i just can't really follow because it seems the terms are not clear.
1234940;1439303094;mircea_popescu;the expression "white men can't jump", as an artefact, which it is. comes, as far as i know, from actual black people, as a local creation. like the word "trayvon". not from white people, as a projection.
1234941;1439303107;mircea_popescu;like the word "negro"
1234942;1439303143;kakobrekla;nah, they are just being racists.
1234943;1439303184;mircea_popescu;bloody hell now i'm going to have to look into this.
1234944;1439303277;funkenstein_;probably not worth your time.
1234945;1439303325;mircea_popescu;what ever is.
1234946;1439303337;shinohai;https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf
1234947;1439303340;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUvMI )
1234948;1439303390;funkenstein_;lol :)  I absolutely recommend the book though, Malidoma Patrice Som� is the author
1234949;1439303766;shinohai;top keks: https://zippy.gfycat.com/VillainousVengefulGrassspider.webm
1234950;1439303768;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHAjIi )
1234951;1439307099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12514 @ 0.00059068 = 7.3918 BTC [+]
1234952;1439307648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00059229 = 13.978 BTC [+]
1234953;1439310036;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1234954;1439310357;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/08/nsa-sigint-philo-intercept-15-0810.pdf ( http://dpaste.com/127S00C ) << lulzy
1234955;1439310365;assbot;dpaste: 127S00C ... ( http://bit.ly/1P47c5Z )
1234956;1439310375;ascii_field;^ 'SIGINT Philosopher'
1234957;1439310424;ascii_field;^ the paste is incomplete
1234958;1439310429;ascii_field;some of the text did not ocr
1234959;1439310487;mircea_popescu;jump to line 428 lol
1234960;1439310516;mod6;hey, if i build rotor-TEST2 on say gentoo, and someone else builds the same whole thing on debian, we get the same number of output bytes in the bin, but the checksums are different, seem to be some offset differences.
1234961;1439310523;mod6;is this expected?
1234962;1439310528;ascii_field;mod6: vbindiff
1234963;1439310531;ascii_field;and see why
1234964;1439310541;ascii_field;(embedded path turds)
1234965;1439310546;ascii_field;these need to die, yes
1234966;1439310769;mod6;neat tool.
1234967;1439310897;mod6;seems to be some opcode diffs, i.e. deb 0x25 always is changed out for gentoo 0x12 ...
1234968;1439310909;mod6;things like that
1234969;1439310922;ascii_field;objdump -d
1234970;1439310924;ascii_field;and diff
1234971;1439310932;ascii_field;and srsly do i have to do everything myself
1234972;1439310987;mircea_popescu;eh cmon.
1234973;1439310994;ascii_field;'If we determine as part of our analysis that scan results could only have come from reverse engineering (in at least one case, because the report said, cleverly enough, “static analysis of Oracle XXXXXX”), we send a letter to the sinning customer, and a different letter to the sinning consultant-acting-on-customer’s behalf – reminding them of the terms of the Oracle license agreement that preclude
1234974;1439310994;ascii_field;reverse engineering, So Please Stop It Already.' << glorious
1234975;1439311048;Apocalyptic;I knew you'd like it :)
1234976;1439311078;ascii_field;to borrow mircea_popescu's observation from last year, these folks are just ~begging~ to be boiled in oil
1234977;1439311103;mircea_popescu;this is the protocols of the elders of nsa.
1234978;1439311121;ascii_field;tr0lfake ?
1234979;1439311125;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1234980;1439311129;mod6;<+ascii_field> and srsly do i have to do everything myself << i might not be viewing the differences correctly .. so what I said above might not be correct.
1234981;1439311143;ascii_field;mod6: nah prolly correct
1234982;1439311156;ascii_field;disasm and diff, betcha it'll make a good blog post
1234983;1439311189;ascii_field;why is mircea_popescu convinced that the oracle thing is a sham ?
1234984;1439311209;mircea_popescu;btw, it might please you to find that in the woirld simulation that is eulora, licensing agreements appeared within the first month.
1234985;1439311220;mircea_popescu;the economy wiggled out of command state by the 9th
1234986;1439311270;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i was speaking re previous dpaste.
1234987;1439311275;ascii_field;ah
1234988;1439311283;ascii_field;as i understand, it is a snowden turd
1234989;1439311292;ascii_field;which is to say, from the bottom of the pile, were it sorted
1234990;1439311295;ascii_field;like ~all of them~
1234991;1439311318;ascii_field;the ant catalogue ('godsurge' etc) ~wasn't~ from snowden
1234992;1439311335;*;mircea_popescu hasn't seen it, is unsure of origin.
1234993;1439311339;ascii_field;the rest of the idiocy - typical, like the sample
1234994;1439311388;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216011
1234995;1439311388;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 03:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint)
1234996;1439311479;mod6;ok, yeah offsets, not opcodes:
1234997;1439311480;mod6;-  40259e:      48 81 ff 50 25 ac 00    cmp    $0xac2550,%rdi
1234998;1439311481;mod6;+  40259e:      48 81 ff 50 12 ac 00    cmp    $0xac1250,%rdi
1234999;1439311495;mod6;that kinda 25 <=> 12 happens a bunch
1235000;1439311509;ascii_field;'Q. Why are you going after consultants the customer hired? The consultant didn’t sign the license agreement! A. The customer signed the Oracle license agreement, and the consultant hired by the customer is thus bound by the customer’s signed license agreement. Otherwise everyone would hire a consultant to say (legal terms follow) “Nanny, nanny boo boo, big bad consultant can do X even if the customer can’t!”'
1235001;1439311511;ascii_field;^ gold
1235002;1439311515;mircea_popescu;"More like, "I do not need you to analyze the code since we already do that, it's our job to do that, we are pretty good at it, we can -- unlike a third party or a tool -- actually analyze the code to determine what's happening and at any rate most of these tools have a close to 100 percent false positive rate so please do not waste our time on reporting little green men in our code. I am not running away from our resp
1235003;1439311515;mircea_popescu;onsibilities to customers, merely trying to avoid a painful, annoying, and mutually-time wasting exercise," the CSO writes.
1235004;1439311517;ascii_field;https://web.archive.org/web/20150811090106/https://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/entry/no_you_really_can_t
1235005;1439311520;assbot;No, You Really Can’t (Mary Ann Davidson Blog) ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4bhHl )
1235006;1439311521;mircea_popescu;there you go, that's your "professionals".
1235007;1439311526;mircea_popescu;still with that boat ?
1235008;1439311536;ascii_field;these are turds with two legs
1235009;1439311548;ascii_field;aka 'american business experts'
1235010;1439311549;mircea_popescu;heh. says who ?
1235011;1439311565;mircea_popescu;but lulzy at the legal nonsense they're sprouting. my consultant can do whatever the fuck he pleases.
1235012;1439311569;ascii_field;says my lying nose
1235013;1439311572;mod6;i'll post the diff so you can take a peek when you have a chance ascii_field
1235014;1439311574;mircea_popescu;you can claim im still responsible for it.
1235015;1439311578;mircea_popescu;but he - isn't.
1235016;1439311615;ascii_field;mod6: neat
1235017;1439311659;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: these folks are at the stage where they openly expect to be able to use law as lettre de cachet
1235018;1439311670;ascii_field;not caring really about technicalities
1235019;1439311687;mircea_popescu;i'm at the same phase.
1235020;1439311706;ascii_field;when you break something, it is broken for everyone
1235021;1439311709;ascii_field;sorta how it works
1235022;1439311721;mircea_popescu;heh i guess so.
1235023;1439311791;ascii_field;btw in case this wasn't obvious, the original article is memoryholed into oblivion
1235024;1439311811;ascii_field;nobody disclaimed the idiocies, but oracle would like to pretend that no one said them in a single convenient place.
1235025;1439311838;mircea_popescu;well you wouldn't expect them to keep the record.
1235026;1439311860;mircea_popescu;incidentally - the attitude towards stuff like this is becoming the premiere marker of dishonest folk.
1235027;1439311865;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1235028;1439311875;mircea_popescu;does it have an "acceptable use policy" ? it's a bunch of scumbags.
1235029;1439311881;mircea_popescu;do they delete so and so ? fuck em.
1235030;1439311921;ascii_field;see the 'nationalist' thread
1235031;1439311934;ascii_field;they thought they finally got their wet dream
1235032;1439311937;ascii_field;editable history
1235033;1439311942;mircea_popescu;yeah. it's the clear mark of the "nationalist", aka socialist, libertard - generally speaking idiot.
1235034;1439311959;ascii_field;in the age of newsprint, this was messy, unreliable
1235035;1439311978;mircea_popescu;he whose personality is entirely fictitious has trouble groking the permanence of reality.
1235036;1439312002;mod6;ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rotor-bitcoind-TEST2-debian8-vs-gentoo-objdumps-20150811.txt
1235037;1439312019;mircea_popescu;"we could call it something else" "so you could" "that'd matter right ?" "no."
1235038;1439312042;ascii_field;mod6: i can tell immediately that most of it is displacement
1235039;1439312050;mircea_popescu;-  400163:e8 ed eb 39 00       callq  0x79ed55 +  400163:e8 ef eb 39 00       callq  0x79ed57
1235040;1439312056;mircea_popescu;they all seem one byte offset sort of things like this.
1235041;1439312061;ascii_field;e.g., cmp    0x407451(%rip),%rdi  vs cmp    0x4074d1(%rip),%rdi
1235042;1439312062;ascii_field;aha
1235043;1439312063;mircea_popescu;is this a int encoding problem or something ?
1235044;1439312065;ascii_field;mircea_popescu also has good eyes
1235045;1439312071;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no, it is what i said before
1235046;1439312075;ascii_field;string in there somewhere
1235047;1439312079;ascii_field;with a local path
1235048;1439312080;mircea_popescu;oh
1235049;1439312084;ascii_field;because gcc is dripping with idiocy
1235050;1439312084;mircea_popescu;right. makes sense
1235051;1439312089;ascii_field;it wants to be ms vs now
1235052;1439312098;ascii_field;and embeds 'identifiables'
1235053;1439312104;mircea_popescu;heh
1235054;1439312155;mircea_popescu;what do we do!
1235055;1439312180;ascii_field;a) scrub with a broom
1235056;1439312189;ascii_field;b) wait for me to write auto-scrubber
1235057;1439312193;ascii_field;^ not priority
1235058;1439312214;mircea_popescu;but it won't run will it ?
1235059;1439312219;ascii_field;it runs
1235060;1439312223;ascii_field;why the hell wouldn't it run
1235061;1439312235;mircea_popescu;k nm me
1235062;1439312243;ascii_field;naturally shit gotta be scrubbed prior to linking
1235063;1439312286;mircea_popescu;soo...
1235064;1439312290;mircea_popescu;lol
1235065;1439312625;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234555 << i was reading a "book" written by some romanian twerp who thinks himself famous (stand up comedian / singer), sent to me by retired whore (really, if you whore and can't retire by 25 or so, you're too stupid to live) of my generation, for the purpose of "see mr p, i told you the kids are fucktarded". ie, kids, the next set.
1235066;1439312625;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 08:41:27; shinohai: No one wants to *do* anything BingoBoingo, they like instant validation you get by repeating whatever someone says on r/bitcoin now.
1235067;1439312640;mircea_popescu;holy shit is the thing stupid. paragraphs have visible training wheels on them
1235068;1439312654;mircea_popescu;"ambrosia" is explained in the text, because for retards.
1235069;1439312689;mircea_popescu;that said, i can admire the guy for taking the time to do what really amounts to daycare for mentally retarded adults. but the thing itself is in-fucking-credible.
1235070;1439312742;mircea_popescu;the whole thing reads like literotica is too advanced now, and it needs rewriting in simpler words with simplified story arcs.
1235071;1439312786;mircea_popescu;and with better reinforcement throughout reinforcement throughout hello there, how goes it, we were talking about story arcs, you know, like bows hehehe, but reinforced throguhout throughout reinforced ps. this was a paragraph, and you read it well done !
1235072;1439312825;mircea_popescu;i am guessing romanian will have to move to a 3 to 4 letters per word mode soon or else it may go out of print.
1235073;1439312839;ascii_field;or they could switch to english aha
1235074;1439312844;mircea_popescu;rite.
1235075;1439312849;ascii_field;rait
1235076;1439312885;mircea_popescu;you know if i ever impregnate an isis fighter i'ma name her kid Rite Rait Al'Right.
1235077;1439312932;mircea_popescu;(btw, if your oral english is your slave not your master, your reading of the name distinguishes the three phonemes. because they are fucking distinct in english omfg)
1235078;1439312996;ascii_field;wright right rite
1235079;1439313015;mircea_popescu;the right-honorable baron rite rait al-right!
1235080;1439313077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22159 @ 0.00060849 = 13.4835 BTC [+] {3} 
1235081;1439313157;mircea_popescu;Mateusz Kopeć ? whossat.
1235082;1439313172;mircea_popescu;ah random mod of obscure sub-alt-reddit mkay.
1235083;1439313267;mircea_popescu;"I have been putting up ads on backpage letting people know I can teach about and sell them bitcoin.
1235084;1439313267;mircea_popescu;I got a lot of responses, but you know what? I now understand why all of these women are hookers and i don't feel bad for them in the least. They are aggressive, flaky and dont want to understand what is happening around them. All I have been getting is women asking me for free bitcoin to buy their "medication". Its life and death apparently.
1235085;1439313267;mircea_popescu;I have yet to sell a single satoshi."
1235086;1439313285;mircea_popescu;this goes not-so-badly with the earlier link of dooglus' attempt to resurect the mpoe-pr visits the whore forum thing.
1235087;1439313300;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why anglos have conflated whoredom and beggary.
1235088;1439313326;mircea_popescu;it's not unlike conflating computer programming and autism, or bewing the runt in a family litter and being the politician.
1235089;1439313333;mircea_popescu;both things they've also done.
1235090;1439313347;mircea_popescu;why does anglo conflate so much and so stupidly ? is it because the 3-4 letter words universe ?
1235091;1439313379;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is because, proximately, they picked the 'make'em stupid' school of mass management
1235092;1439313408;ascii_field;as far back as 18th c
1235093;1439313411;mircea_popescu;nah, this was the case way WAY before.
1235094;1439313420;mircea_popescu;italian whores were accomplished throughout, like japanese whores.
1235095;1439313429;mircea_popescu;english whores were mostly retarded, like chinese whores.
1235096;1439313449;mircea_popescu;(notable exceptions, here and there, which shows it's not racial but fashio-cultural and fucktardinal)
1235097;1439313451;ascii_field;possibly because ~their~ ruling class was... straight
1235098;1439313473;mircea_popescu;italians ? straight ?! those rotinculo ? dun make me laugh, i might fart myself.
1235099;1439313578;ascii_field;was mostly thinking of jp
1235100;1439313580;mircea_popescu;in any case : the "many users" problem doesn't even need to be approached at the "hey, we need their spam allowed in the blocks more".
1235101;1439313591;mircea_popescu;the bigger problem is that bitcoin coallesces. they won't HAVE any.
1235102;1439313601;ascii_field;already happened, no ?
1235103;1439313608;mircea_popescu;99.x%.
1235104;1439313612;mircea_popescu;going for 99.999999999999999999
1235105;1439313654;ascii_field;going for the mircea_popescu-and-five-phriends model ?
1235106;1439313684;ascii_field;(fwiw that easily works..)
1235107;1439313689;mircea_popescu;;;calc 5*10**9 * (100-99.999999999999999999)/100
1235108;1439313689;gribble;0
1235109;1439313693;mircea_popescu;not even.
1235110;1439313771;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234606 << the innovation of fixing by midpoint is actually quite commandable.
1235111;1439313771;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 09:27:34; punkman: they gotta manage everything "The midpoint for the yuan is now set at 6.2298 to $1, up from 6.1162 yuan on Monday. The People's Bank of China (POBC) manages the rate through the official  midpoint, from which trade can rise or fall 2% on any given day."
1235112;1439313780;mircea_popescu;historically people have tried min/maxing it
1235113;1439313795;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1235114;1439314399;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234568 << that was mircea_popescu actually
1235115;1439314399;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 08:56:46; BingoBoingo: When the last pre-0.8 wedge came through I suspected it was a BDB issue but alf was the one to euthanize it at the root.
1235116;1439314407;ascii_field;(see logz)
1235117;1439314570;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/mxGoWZ7.jpg
1235118;1439314572;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfNQjG )
1235119;1439314623;mircea_popescu;hm isn't that ray cis  ?
1235120;1439314648;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Ah
1235121;1439314782;mircea_popescu;"The Trotskyist is AGAINST Stalin just as the Communist is FOR him, and, like the majority of Communists, he wants not so much to alter the external world as to feel that the battle for prestige is going in his own favour."
1235122;1439314803;mircea_popescu;heh. i suppose the widespread metanonsense is why people are so lost when confronted with groups utterly disinterested in prestige,
1235123;1439314811;mircea_popescu;and especially in prestige among them.
1235124;1439314932;mircea_popescu;ok, im fucking rewriting this thing.
1235125;1439315016;ascii_field;'Congress passed the Protect Act after the Supreme Court struck down a broader law prohibiting any visual depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity, including computer-generated imagery and other fakes. The high court ruled that the ban was too broad, and could cover legitimate speech, including Hollywood productions.
1235126;1439315016;ascii_field;In response, the Protect Act narrows the prohibition to cover only depictions that the defendant’s community would consider “obscene.”' << vintage l0l
1235127;1439315029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13447 @ 0.0006085 = 8.1825 BTC [+]
1235128;1439315031;ascii_field;do x in nyc, walk; do x in iowa - fed prison
1235129;1439315034;ascii_field;( http://www.wired.com/2010/02/obscene-us-manga-collector-jailed-6-months )
1235130;1439315035;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfP26J )
1235131;1439315090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33845 @ 0.0006085 = 20.5947 BTC [+]
1235132;1439316011;phf;ben_vulpes: http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << read-sequence reads octets (i.e. unsigned bytes) into an array, so you want (make-array size :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) and you also want to then explicitly convert an octet array into a string. later is implementation dependent (since concerns encodings, etc.), ccl has DECODE-STRING-FROM-OCTETS and sbcl OCTETS-TO-STRING, both support encodings. since version is ascii, a naive converte
1235133;1439316011;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HieixP )
1235134;1439316011;phf;r might look like (string-right-trim '(#\Null) (map 'string 'code-char command))
1235135;1439316128;phf;ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2Q2YKDB << so we were poking at gernika yesterday and it looks like CS didn't fully build. i'll take a look at his "successful" cs build log today, and see what comes up
1235136;1439316130;assbot;dpaste: 2Q2YKDB ... ( http://bit.ly/1Weoti3 )
1235137;1439316139;phf;*with gernika rather
1235138;1439316299;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1235139;1439316302;ascii_field;https://twitter.com/addelindh/status/631040188010131456
1235140;1439316369;shinohai;LOLZ
1235141;1439316491;ascii_field;obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885689
1235142;1439316491;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws.  Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding.  Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.  
1235143;1439317514;mod6;ascii_field: for people who'd like to build rotor w/stator or rotor w/TEST2 on i386/i686, is there anything special that they would need to do to this file? rotor_buildroot_dot_config
1235144;1439317539;mod6;comment out: "BR2_ARCH_IS_64=y" ? and set "BR2_i386=y" +
1235145;1439317560;ascii_field;a few places
1235146;1439317566;ascii_field;see the pogotron one for example
1235147;1439317574;mod6;oh ok will look thx.
1235148;1439318248;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1235149;1439320375;hanbot;shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)
1235150;1439320397;shinohai;:/
1235151;1439320427;shinohai;the new rotor script mod6 and I tried this weekend past is so easy a redditard could do it
1235152;1439320440;shinohai;despite a few initial hiccups
1235153;1439320499;shinohai;gofundme.com/gethanbota64bitcomputer
1235154;1439320952;hanbot;hehe i have plenty. they're not available for testing stuff on. craptop, otoh....
1235155;1439321068;shinohai;I love craptops. I did buy 2 surplus lappys last year for btc tho
1235156;1439323728;shinohai;lolz: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gk5ll/is_bitcoinxt_an_altcoin_or_a_forkcoin/ctyxvyw?context=3
1235157;1439323730;assbot;Vibr8gKiwi comments on is BitcoinXT an altcoin (or a forkcoin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4sbHJ )
1235158;1439324652;trinque;maybe it's a sporkcoin
1235159;1439324666;trinque;pointless, useless compromise
1235160;1439324782;fluffypony;yeah shinohai
1235161;1439324786;fluffypony;that thread is a trainwreck
1235162;1439324841;shinohai;Nary a shred of *actual logic (tm)* to be found.
1235163;1439324947;scoopbot_revived;Implant ID Chips in Citizens Suggests Finnish Politician http://qntra.net/2015/08/implant-id-chips-in-citizens-suggests-finnish-politician/
1235164;1439325042;shinohai;Looks like they even got together and bribed cryptocoin "news" into pleading for them: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/discussion-of-bitcoin-xt-banned-from-bitcoin-subreddit/
1235165;1439325042;assbot;Discussion of Bitcoin-XT Banned from Bitcoin Subreddit - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IX41Z4 )
1235166;1439325167;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1235167;1439325172;trinque;"According to Pasi M??enranta because "the people" happily let Google and Facebook track them with smartphones there's no way this could be considered an invasion of privacy by citizens."
1235168;1439325196;trinque;clearly the Nordic system is on the cutting edge, here.
1235169;1439325203;ascii_field;shinohai: recent hearn (nsa) gambit. there's very little the amorphous masses love more than 'omg1111!!! censored!!'
1235170;1439325220;shinohai;^
1235171;1439325220;trinque;I expect to hear in a few years how backward America is because we don't yet have the chip system.
1235172;1439325261;ascii_field;which lucky nord (can we call'em nords?) will be the first to be carved up for his dog tag ?
1235173;1439325285;ascii_field;(by some enterprising somali)
1235174;1439325300;shinohai;We don't need chips, nsa owns yer cellphones.
1235175;1439325321;shinohai;Every 'murican has one glued to them nearly 24/7
1235176;1439325363;trinque;https://i.stack.imgur.com/zJvkc.jpg
1235177;1439325364;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IX5Cy0 )
1235178;1439325396;ascii_field;^ 'what good is a phone call when you have no mouth' (tm) (r)
1235179;1439325599;ascii_field;at any rate, the art of human collar-making has not stood still! iirc the saudis even hold a patent on proper bomb-n-shock-n-gps collar
1235180;1439325613;ascii_field;with two-way voice, etc
1235181;1439325638;ascii_field;like in the film 'deadlock' but moar internety.
1235182;1439325765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00058919 = 8.9557 BTC [-] {3} 
1235183;1439325825;ascii_field;also pictured in, iirc, film 'cloud atlas'
1235184;1439325904;mats;'cloud atlas' was 5/10
1235185;1439325917;ascii_field;mentioned solely for the cattle collar
1235186;1439325955;thestringpuller;did ascii_field just quote the matrix?
1235187;1439325969;ascii_field;thestringpuller: linked picture was from it.
1235188;1439325982;ascii_field;the scene where the robotic cockroach is implanted
1235189;1439326007;thestringpuller;the last time I opened a link here at work was from MP and yea...awkward...
1235190;1439326268;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/38e117ae408fe1b76a31d0c7a94311a9/tumblr_mh7j07RM3D1r6e6ngo1_1280.jpg
1235191;1439326269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHhLLF )
1235192;1439326466;shinohai;I ... regret
1235193;1439326487;trinque;meh, one on the right's got some weird going on with her actual equipment iirc
1235194;1439326561;mircea_popescu;as in it's fake ?
1235195;1439326562;shinohai;Ouch >>> http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-miners-lawsuit-340k-default/
1235196;1439326563;assbot;GAW Miners Lawsuit Ends With $340k Default Judgement ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHiP28 )
1235197;1439326577;trinque;mircea_popescu: thought I saw a warty looking thing in a scene with her
1235198;1439326581;trinque;forgot her name
1235199;1439326604;trinque;this, my brain decided to file away for important moments such as now
1235200;1439326703;mircea_popescu;i dunno who the fuck she is.
1235201;1439326816;mircea_popescu;http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-good-for-white-feminism/
1235202;1439326818;assbot;Hillary Clinton: Good for White Feminism, Bad for Racial Justice - racismreview.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHjFfv )
1235203;1439326828;mircea_popescu;"While many people are excited about the prospect of the first woman president, I think that a Hillary Clinton presidency will be another in a long series of triumphs for white, corporate feminism and defeats for racial justice."
1235204;1439326875;mircea_popescu;For her part, noted feminist Gloria Steinem said (in 2008) that she supported Clinton over Barack Obama because, �Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women��
1235205;1439326884;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this stupid ass "noted" ?
1235206;1439326913;mircea_popescu;"today i will drink mumm instead of cliquot, because german froth is so much later!"
1235207;1439327006;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1235208;1439327102;mircea_popescu;"Katherine van Wormer Professor of Social Work University of Northern Iowa"
1235209;1439327108;mircea_popescu;it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense.
1235210;1439327119;ascii_field;tell it to usg
1235211;1439327154;mircea_popescu;As for the �lesser of two evils� argument, I just have to quote from Ijeoma Oluo who was saying earlier:
1235212;1439327157;mircea_popescu;Ijeoma Oluo ? srsly ?
1235213;1439327208;mircea_popescu;https://t.co/rfr5pJiK93 << random internet fucktard begging page.
1235214;1439327211;assbot;Support Ijeoma Oluo creating Words. Angry Words. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nokyt1 )
1235215;1439327240;BingoBoingo;;;ud Aye Papi
1235216;1439327241;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aye+papi | aye papi. The new term, replacing "my ovaries," that sexually frustrated teenage girls use to describe a hot guy. Usually used on Twitter by Directioners.
1235217;1439327283;mircea_popescu;i have never heard either used ?!
1235218;1439327482;shinohai;I have heard "papi" quite a bit, usually from Mexican escorts.
1235219;1439327523;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: spiffy orwell remake btw
1235220;1439327534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38077 @ 0.00060006 = 22.8485 BTC [+]
1235221;1439328186;mircea_popescu;does it work ?
1235222;1439328194;mircea_popescu;shinohai that just means daddy
1235223;1439328215;shinohai;Oh I know what it means ;)
1235224;1439328221;mircea_popescu;what's a directioner ?
1235225;1439328226;shinohai;Papi chulo, etc
1235226;1439328251;shinohai;Directioner? idk
1235227;1439328261;mats;boy band. 'One Direction'
1235228;1439328280;shinohai;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Directioner
1235229;1439328282;assbot;Urban Dictionary: Directioner ... ( http://bit.ly/1NomJgc )
1235230;1439328285;shinohai;oh ^
1235231;1439328338;trinque;every moronic thing has an "us" you can join these days
1235232;1439328350;trinque;click here to join the burrito bandwagon!
1235233;1439328483;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/11/us-iran-nuclear-kerry-idUSKCN0QG1V020150811 << do I detect Chinese pressure here?
1235234;1439328484;assbot;Dollar could suffer if U.S. walks away from Iran deal: John Kerry| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Non7LV )
1235235;1439328776;shinohai;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/traders-busted-after-enlisting-hackers-to-play-stock-market-to-net-100-million-2015-08-11   <<<lulzy too
1235236;1439328777;assbot;Traders busted after enlisting hackers to play stock market to net $100 million  - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1h0Wpis )
1235237;1439328789;mircea_popescu;but yes, he's right. obama has managed to put the us in the worst position of all
1235238;1439328799;mircea_popescu;now it has to buy its foreign policy from iran ffs.
1235239;1439328852;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1235240;1439328862;ascii_field;'Over five years, two computer hackers living in Ukraine broke into U.S. newswire services including Business Wire and PRNewswire and stole more than 100,000 press releases for publicly traded companies before their release. Those documents, which included earnings data, were distributed to a network of traders who used the advance knowledge to buy or sell securities based on how they anticipated the market would react to
1235241;1439328862;ascii_field;the announcements, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission complaint.'
1235242;1439328871;ascii_field;^ only loyal aryans may front-run!
1235243;1439328871;mircea_popescu;�The reality of the situation is that the U.S. dollar hasn�t been this strong in decades. The thought that it could be replaced as a reserve currency is laughable at this point on a geopolitical basis and nothing in the Iran deal even remotely touches upon that issue,� he added.
1235244;1439328874;mircea_popescu;lulzy.
1235245;1439328896;trinque;https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1SL
1235246;1439328898;assbot;M1 Money Stock - FRED - St. Louis Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1NonWUI )
1235247;1439328900;trinque;uh huh
1235248;1439328911;trinque;and that's according to their bullshit numbers
1235249;1439328963;mircea_popescu;" Obama has never ruled out military force if negotiations failed"
1235250;1439328966;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o lordy.
1235251;1439328972;*;mircea_popescu would like to see this one.
1235252;1439329124;mircea_popescu;"Thanks for your comment, dumspirospero! I appreciate your appreciation of the post."
1235253;1439329152;mircea_popescu;i hereby validate one derp's appreciation of the other derp's appreciation of the first derp's appreciations on issues she doesn't understand and wasn't really asked about.
1235254;1439329174;mircea_popescu;anyone care to appreciate my validation so we can make it a social media ?
1235255;1439329245;shinohai;I concur! You're now popular!
1235256;1439329247;trinque;mircea_popescu: I appreciate the opportunity to take part in this meta-appreciation. upboated, or something
1235257;1439329260;mircea_popescu;we are moving the conversation to the left!
1235258;1439329275;trinque;I can feel a consensus building already
1235259;1439329310;shinohai;Yay deddit, we did it!
1235260;1439329331;mircea_popescu;where's that bottle of queefs
1235261;1439329432;trinque;I bet gloria steinem has one
1235262;1439329440;mircea_popescu; �White folks was in caves while we was building empires� We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.�
1235263;1439329448;mircea_popescu;let's play guess the genius.
1235264;1439329474;ascii_field;mao ?
1235265;1439329494;BingoBoingo;Elijah Muhammed
1235266;1439329495;mircea_popescu;mnope.
1235267;1439329497;mircea_popescu;neithert
1235268;1439329505;ascii_field;gandhi
1235269;1439329506;BingoBoingo;Farrakan
1235270;1439329523;mircea_popescu;neither.
1235271;1439329550;BingoBoingo;It sounds very Nation of Islam...
1235272;1439329558;mircea_popescu;it actually isn't.
1235273;1439329562;mircea_popescu;but yeah
1235274;1439329610;trinque;doesn't sound like a very sharp guy if you ask me
1235275;1439329623;mircea_popescu;very sharp actually.
1235276;1439329629;mircea_popescu;reverend al sharpton in point of fact.
1235277;1439329644;ascii_field;l0l!
1235278;1439329656;trinque;hehe
1235279;1439329662;mircea_popescu;how exactly did some us black guy get his "we" to include i presume egyptians, which weren't black while he wasn't in africa, is anyone's guess.
1235280;1439329708;ascii_field;mircea_popescu:  this particular delusion is known to have originated with a particular academitard, but his name escapes me
1235281;1439329720;mircea_popescu;i suppose they got numbers from the indians while they were exploring zanzibar
1235282;1439329738;ascii_field;soviet elephants are the biggest elephants (tm) (r)
1235283;1439329745;mircea_popescu;the island 50 miles off the coast which you can see on a clear day, but which the mud packing philosophers and astrologo-mathematicians of a certain complexion failed to find,
1235284;1439329751;mircea_popescu;pewople had to come from fucking indonesia
1235285;1439329780;mircea_popescu;anyway. a truly very liberal gent.
1235286;1439329785;ascii_field;madagascar aha
1235287;1439329999;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> mircea_popescu:  this particular delusion is known to have originated with a particular academitard, but his name escapes me << Actually harder to pin down. Variations had been going on in Black Christian circles since the early 1800's at least, but Nation of Islam really brought this crazy to the mainstream
1235288;1439330022;ascii_field;was speaking of ancient egypt specifically
1235289;1439330043;mircea_popescu;fwiw, thjere's a contingent of deranged romanians who believe zamolxis taught the romans to read.
1235290;1439330049;mircea_popescu;they even had statal support for a while.
1235291;1439330057;ascii_field;the ducks are unloaded from the trucks!
1235292;1439330061;mircea_popescu;and obviously usians have their own john smiths etc.
1235293;1439330064;mircea_popescu;so...
1235294;1439330099;mircea_popescu;every group lays the same pretense. irrespective of the justification. much like every absoute monarchy sooner or later got around to deriving the monarch from the sun
1235295;1439330113;mircea_popescu;poor star had no fucking idea how many women it had impregnated, from paris to shanghai
1235296;1439330120;mircea_popescu;if only it exercised safer sex.
1235297;1439330133;shinohai;I think my favorite Al Sharptonism is "Jewing the numbers"
1235298;1439330156;trinque;is that like... counting with them?
1235299;1439330246;shinohai;It's a broad statement.
1235300;1439330247;mircea_popescu;more like making them come out to him being a parasite.
1235301;1439330254;gernika;BingoBoingo was there not a Nubian dynasty that ruled Egypt at some point?  Apparently lasted 75 years?
1235302;1439330285;mircea_popescu;there was also a circassian one presumably.
1235303;1439330290;BingoBoingo;gernika: Nubian isn't West African
1235304;1439330382;mircea_popescu;nubia is what used to be kush, today's sudan
1235305;1439330390;mircea_popescu;"upper egypt"
1235306;1439330480;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/KobQKdF.png   << related to mircea_popescu 's trap picture earlier
1235307;1439330481;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h0ZU8m )
1235308;1439330595;mircea_popescu;uh... what does he mean women "won't do this" ?!
1235309;1439330598;trinque;what's this, trap supremacy?
1235310;1439330624;mircea_popescu;i suppose the theory is that "italians have forgotten how to sing and only french royal comedy institute knows anymore"
1235311;1439330637;mircea_popescu;actual argument, in actual debate, at the time of diderot & co
1235312;1439330694;shinohai;hue
1235313;1439330701;*;trinque goes to code in a van down by the river
1235314;1439330708;trinque;more like vw, and more like next to it, but whatever!
1235315;1439331470;BingoBoingo;http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPy6r0P_700b_v2.jpg
1235316;1439331470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gxMJep )
1235317;1439331474;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1235318;1439331621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00060006 = 14.7015 BTC [+]
1235319;1439331866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35379 @ 0.00058231 = 20.6015 BTC [-] {5} 
1235320;1439331915;shinohai;http://www.ibtimes.co.in/russia-may-ban-reddit-over-thread-how-grow-narcotic-plants-642566 looooooooooool
1235321;1439331916;assbot;Russia May Ban Reddit Over Thread on 'How to Grow Narcotic Plants' ... ( http://bit.ly/1gxNSCC )
1235322;1439332308;mircea_popescu;censorsheep!
1235323;1439332757;shinohai;I kek'd
1235324;1439332781;shinohai;And I just got delivered a fifth of some kind of brandy.
1235325;1439332838;shinohai;tasty
1235326;1439338195;*;kakobrekla just saw a 1990 movie 'Hardware', subtitled 'you can't stop pr0gr355'
1235327;1439338212;kakobrekla;goes quite well with ba theme.
1235328;1439338239;shinohai;:D
1235329;1439338281;kakobrekla;still on server can give link if anyone wants.
1235330;1439338343;shinohai;link me, I'll save it for when I have insomnia
1235331;1439338514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25879 @ 0.0006056 = 15.6723 BTC [+] {3} 
1235332;1439338624;kakobrekla;ill move to another boxen and leave link in public for a short while.
1235333;1439338721;pete_dushenski;!s moore
1235334;1439338722;assbot;121 results for 'moore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moore
1235335;1439338765;pete_dushenski;http://pagesix.com/2015/08/05/michael-moore-selling-spectacular-michigan-lake-house-for-5-2m/ << different moore than most of the ones in teh search
1235336;1439338767;assbot;Michael Moore selling spectacular Michigan lake house for $5.2M | Page Six ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTgh1R )
1235337;1439338894;trinque;truly hideous entryway
1235338;1439338901;trinque;photo 13
1235339;1439338936;pete_dushenski;that wallpaper looks like bad bathroom tile from the 60s
1235340;1439338961;trinque;terrible.
1235341;1439338985;pete_dushenski;liking the gym space but junky equipment needs a refresh
1235342;1439338996;pete_dushenski;photo 35
1235343;1439339060;trinque;lol @ moore having a home gym
1235344;1439339085;trinque;some rooms are nice, others entirely haphazard
1235345;1439339098;trinque;could be the shots
1235346;1439339106;trinque;#23 makes my skin crawl
1235347;1439339125;pete_dushenski;real estate photographers famously embellish
1235348;1439339133;pete_dushenski;it's not really my taste either
1235349;1439339140;pete_dushenski;but neither is he, so it's perhaps no surprise
1235350;1439339147;trinque;yeah
1235351;1439339210;pete_dushenski;http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/anything-goes/official-ex-top-gear-team-sign-deal-amazon-video << usg picks up where bbc dropped ball
1235352;1439339212;assbot;Official: Ex-Top Gear team sign a deal with Amazon Video | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTgGl5 )
1235353;1439339374;pete_dushenski;tg2 looks to be only available in us and uk markets. sorry canuckians.
1235354;1439339423;pete_dushenski;ftr i think that hammond, may, and clarkson are past their prime and should hang up their towels
1235355;1439339435;pete_dushenski;they should be hosting daytime tv shows or something
1235356;1439339490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97900 @ 0.00058891 = 57.6543 BTC [-] {5} 
1235357;1439339664;kakobrekla;said link, wont keep it up awfully long http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/tmp/Hardware.1990.BDRip.576P.X264.AC3-UNiQUE.mkv
1235358;1439339721;pete_dushenski;.mkv eh. now to find a player for this guy.
1235359;1439339749;kakobrekla;vlc?
1235360;1439339786;pete_dushenski;pretty sure i have vlc on an older machine, i'll make it work
1235361;1439339811;kakobrekla;anyway, its not at the level of 'brazil' but had lulz
1235362;1439339837;pete_dushenski;don't suppose you have brazil and can post as well
1235363;1439339883;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUkymOb3zA << youtube's version of 'brazil'
1235364;1439339884;assbot;Brazil Football (Soccer) Body Paint Girl - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUtB4 )
1235365;1439339996;trinque;brazil is one of my favorite films
1235366;1439339997;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW2gJ_6t8PQ << or this
1235367;1439339998;assbot;Brazil 1985 Full Movie Official - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUy7V )
1235368;1439340007;kakobrekla;brazil i have on home server, would need to upload.
1235369;1439340028;pete_dushenski;trinque: i haven't seen it myself, seen it in the logs who knows how many times
1235370;1439340052;pete_dushenski;wonder if mp's done a review
1235371;1439340064;pete_dushenski;;;google trilema.com brazil
1235372;1439340065;gribble;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/>; Further Argentine weird. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/further-argentine-weird/>; The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VI on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-vi/>
1235373;1439340093;phf;pete_dushenski: fyi, it's available freely on kat.cr, probably can be downloaded at pipe saturation level, rather then pulling it from someone's http
1235374;1439340109;kakobrekla;brazil: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FD297C623222220A30A90D66EBAD7BFE292EA0C8&dn=brazil+1985+720p+brrip+x264+yify&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.com%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337
1235375;1439340130;pete_dushenski;aha cheers.
1235376;1439340152;pete_dushenski;i dun really torrent so i think i'll stick with the yt :)
1235377;1439340214;nubbins`;kakobrekla tks for the movie!
1235378;1439340222;nubbins`;been a while since i tried a mystery-viewing
1235379;1439340223;kakobrekla;yw:)
1235380;1439340238;nubbins`;plus i so rarely have occasion to download large files
1235381;1439340246;nubbins`;it's nice to exercise the fiber, even if it seems a bit slow
1235382;1439340258;nubbins`;topping out at ~3.2MB/s
1235383;1439340267;kakobrekla;box is in europe
1235384;1439340272;nubbins`;heh that'll do it
1235385;1439340280;nubbins`;i'm probably going backwards to toronto or montreal first
1235386;1439340334;nubbins`;so i had to download a font yesterday for a client project. txt file in folder says "this font was created for the first ever european furry convention"
1235387;1439340335;nubbins`;o.O
1235388;1439340395;trinque;your client's a furry, dude
1235389;1439340427;trinque;where else could he have seen it?!
1235390;1439340427;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/form-for-drug-dealers-to-snitch-on-competitors-results-in-an-arrest.html << notbad.
1235391;1439340430;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUS6m )
1235392;1439340442;nubbins`;while i do own a full-body wolf suit, i've never had sex or masturbated while wearing it
1235393;1439340456;pete_dushenski;yet.
1235394;1439340487;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, thanks, can you provide a sha256sum of the file ?
1235395;1439340500;nubbins`;pete_dushenski mine sides
1235396;1439340520;pete_dushenski;keep fit, have fun
1235397;1439340548;kakobrekla;Apocalyptic 1aa710beb9f8d464756dd50a0484d60b563e2aab623aff6444b2dc4a4dccd0e2  Hardware.1990.BDRip.576P.X264.AC3-UNiQUE.mkv
1235398;1439340560;Apocalyptic;ty
1235399;1439340567;kakobrekla;sure
1235400;1439340623;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1p6K0xGKd0 << for non-canuckians who don't know the legacy of hal johnson and joanne mcleod
1235401;1439340624;assbot;Body Break - Airplane Exercises (1992) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUZiw )
1235402;1439340642;nubbins`;hal is not the same without the soup strainer
1235403;1439340702;nubbins`;peaked at 3.3MB/s, notbadforeuro.jpg
1235404;1439340712;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: i dun get it, hal lost his stache ?
1235405;1439340719;nubbins`;he shaved it in recent years
1235406;1439340728;nubbins`;they still make new commercials from time to time
1235407;1439340740;pete_dushenski;now this is news to me
1235408;1439340752;pete_dushenski;been too long since i had cable tv i guess
1235409;1439340763;nubbins`;srsly, one day "who is this man standing next to joanne mcleod?"
1235410;1439340782;pete_dushenski;lol "get that fraud away from that saint!"
1235411;1439340789;nubbins`;https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/haljoanne.jpg?w=620
1235412;1439340790;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTiSc0 )
1235413;1439340799;nubbins`;fucked up hey?
1235414;1439340818;pete_dushenski;o good god hal looks like a street corner fallel stand operator
1235415;1439340838;pete_dushenski;"you want extra special sauce ?
1235416;1439340839;pete_dushenski;"
1235417;1439340982;nubbins`;dory tried to climb up onto my shoulders as i stood up ;/
1235418;1439341002;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/Ih3Bgc7
1235419;1439341003;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTj9vC )
1235420;1439341009;nubbins`;maybe the most outta-focus picture i've ever taken
1235421;1439341137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00057936 = 9.2118 BTC [-]
1235422;1439341321;trinque;dat chin tho
1235423;1439342235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00060086 = 4.2661 BTC [+]
1235424;1439342509;mats;looks like illegal drugs mate
1235425;1439342515;mats;reported
1235426;1439342583;pete_dushenski;did you fill out the form ?
1235427;1439342613;mats;prepare to be deported
1235428;1439343119;mike_c;;;seen Naphex
1235429;1439343119;gribble;Naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Naphex> clients get tracked and the rewards are sticky
1235430;1439343201;pete_dushenski;mats: canada only imports
1235431;1439343251;pete_dushenski;people, that is.
1235432;1439343258;pete_dushenski;only natural resources are deported
1235433;1439343270;mike_c;;;later tell Naphex I may have some need for order matching code.  I'd be interested in talking about btcxchange codebase sometime if you're interested
1235434;1439343271;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1235435;1439343275;phf;according to bitcoin script documentation "Some of the more complicated opcodes are disabled out of concern that the client might have a bug in their implementation" (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script). an example of disabled script OP_CAT, Concatenates two strings
1235436;1439343318;Naphex;mike_c: i was just about to go to sleep but shoot me a privmsg tomorrow
1235437;1439343324;mike_c;sounds good
1235438;1439343377;phf;i'm either missing some hidden issues, or this literally says "some aspect of scripts are unimplemented, because memory manipulation is too hard"
1235439;1439343889;mircea_popescu;no, that's what it says.
1235440;1439344031;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nah, didn't write up brazil.
1235441;1439344153;pete_dushenski;i just might have to take a crack at brazil myself then
1235442;1439344206;pete_dushenski;your loss !
1235443;1439344221;pete_dushenski;(or the reader's loss but who cares about them ? )
1235444;1439344254;asciilifeform;phf is in for a treat
1235445;1439344261;asciilifeform;as he reads that thing and approaches the magic moment,
1235446;1439344270;asciilifeform;where you realize 'this is a bucket of liquid shit'
1235447;1439344286;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> http://imgur.com/Ih3Bgc7 << is that your crochet stick ?
1235448;1439344287;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTj9vC )
1235449;1439344323;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i saw it, and i think it's great. just... writing's not automatic!
1235450;1439344346;shinohai;https://www.beta.facebook.com/directory/
1235451;1439344347;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEsag )
1235452;1439344347;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: in this, i commiserate
1235453;1439344362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the magic moment is the part where you go "and yet unlike every other bucket of lick-a-squid shit, the maker of this one was clearly aware. wtf ?!?!"
1235454;1439344375;asciilifeform;aha that one.
1235455;1439344417;asciilifeform;in other non-news, steve dutch (of 'anti-intellectualism' and madagascar essay, etc) is back. with a couplea new lulz, e.g., https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/IssueNeverIssue.HTM ; and even a blog of sorts, http://stevedutch.blogspot.com
1235456;1439344418;assbot;The Principle is Never The Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEAXq )
1235457;1439344420;assbot;Steve Dutch ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEAqo )
1235458;1439344614;mircea_popescu;sigh, moar blogspot.
1235459;1439344650;asciilifeform;the extra-lulzy 'meta' aspect of this is that the fella is becoming more and more of an open, frothing defender of usg-in-all-of-its-glory, e.g., https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/AsymmWarfare.htm
1235460;1439344651;assbot;Why Vietnam and Afghanistan Matter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEQ8P )
1235461;1439344656;mircea_popescu;and .HTM like it's 1993 and microsoft dreamweaver, and "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." and aww.
1235462;1439344701;asciilifeform;htm-like-93 is prolly the one nice thing that can be said
1235463;1439344719;asciilifeform;i wish folks would txt like it's '83, personally
1235464;1439344722;asciilifeform;but perhaps that's just me.
1235465;1439344749;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i dislike capitalised extensions
1235466;1439344756;mircea_popescu;must be idiosincrasia officinalis.
1235467;1439344773;asciilifeform;idk, they evoke nostalgic msdos in my mind
1235468;1439344781;asciilifeform;but only if precisely 3 characters.
1235469;1439345041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23949 @ 0.00060086 = 14.39 BTC [+]
1235470;1439345046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2ANHPSB.txt http://dpaste.com/0243K1T.txt if you feel like it.
1235471;1439345048;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFjro )
1235472;1439345049;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFl2s )
1235473;1439345093;asciilifeform;^ for anyone else who 'failed to connect to server'
1235474;1439345124;ben_vulpes;oh lookie
1235475;1439345140;ben_vulpes;i'm about 3.6klols behind
1235476;1439345147;ben_vulpes;and no time to catch up yet this week
1235477;1439345414;mats;such an obsession with feces here
1235478;1439345445;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gntyw/sabrio_wants_to_unmask_bitcoin_transactions_and << moar lulz
1235479;1439345446;assbot;SABR.io wants to unmask Bitcoin transactions and has raised $1 million in funding. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFOlp )
1235480;1439345561;asciilifeform;how long has it been since sc4mz0rz quit doing the most elementary homework to see if other, larger and better-connected sc4mz0rz are pulling the same scam already ?
1235481;1439345575;asciilifeform;(or is it a 'little fleas' situation?)
1235482;1439345633;mats;https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity15/technical-sessions/presentation/gruss
1235483;1439345635;assbot;Cache Template Attacks: Automating Attacks on Inclusive Last-Level Caches | USENIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXG2J7 )
1235484;1439345672;asciilifeform;'SABR is seeking engineers with deep interest and experience in blockchain-based technologies who are prepared to devote their career to making a positive impact while being continuously intellectually challenged.' << am i the only one who sees a second parse for this sentence ??
1235485;1439345683;asciilifeform;'... while being continuously intellectually challenged.'
1235486;1439345699;Apocalyptic;heh
1235487;1439345718;Apocalyptic;I guess that's about right
1235488;1439345726;*;mircea_popescu reads one
1235489;1439345762;asciilifeform;'intellectually challenged' is '90s-usg-speak for 'tard'
1235490;1439345780;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1235491;1439345806;mircea_popescu;"Ultimately it's undergirded by one of the great intellectual fallacies of modern times, the obsession with structure as opposed to content. If structure is all important, then if two conflicts have similar structure, they are similar."
1235492;1439345834;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, I heard it's now rude to say "blind" in the us, one must say "visually challenged"
1235493;1439345934;asciilifeform;mats: iirc inria had a cycle-and-cache-accurate x86 emulator. might be up your alley.
1235494;1439345972;mircea_popescu;"In fact, most people are out of their depth in a mud puddle."
1235495;1439346036;mircea_popescu;"Mostly it's laziness (or shallowness) and an attempt to seize the moral high ground. It's hard to defend specific issues when you're confronted by someone who simply rejects your basic premises. How do you find out what lines of argument they would find persuasive? (Hint: ask them. Say "what exactly would you accept as proof that I'm right?" Most of the time they don't have a clue, because most people only think about
1235496;1439346036;mircea_popescu; why they're right, not how they might be wrong.)"
1235497;1439346099;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, for all the people who have all sorts of malformed opinions, cvasi-ideas and ready judgement about "how mp is!11" stemming out of some sort of emotional knee jerk over me not caring for whatever pet peeve of theirs, NONE to date has actually tried the "hey mp, what'd it take to convince you feminists are not retarded children and socialism is really the path to go!"
1235498;1439346109;mircea_popescu;but hey, i wait.
1235499;1439346121;asciilifeform;'goblins don't craft weapons'
1235500;1439346129;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) (mircea_popescu)
1235501;1439346161;mircea_popescu;not even a weapon. they also don't craft houses, or water pipes.
1235502;1439346249;asciilifeform;[insert the take about a girl walking by plumber in geyser of shit]
1235503;1439346253;asciilifeform;*tale
1235504;1439346263;mats;asciilifeform: cool
1235505;1439346450;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did ddos move over to logs ?
1235506;1439346467;mircea_popescu;nm back now. i swear it was dead for a coupl;a minutes
1235507;1439346486;asciilifeform;prolly folks pulling the l333337 w4r3z
1235508;1439346492;asciilifeform;(linked earlier)
1235509;1439346532;phf;part of upcoming mp vs. mpaa
1235510;1439346662;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: any chance we might see log1 again in the near future ?
1235511;1439346716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except they weren't also hosted ?
1235512;1439346740;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i dun recall what the problem was with it, i think it mostly fell through the cracks for lack of pressing need. the server's up at any rate.
1235513;1439346743;asciilifeform;~shrug~ ask kako
1235514;1439346791;asciilifeform;http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2013/12/too-dumb-to-run-lemonade-stand.html << moar vintage prof. d. lulz
1235515;1439346792;assbot;Steve Dutch: Too Dumb to Run a Lemonade Stand ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXHmM5 )
1235516;1439346802;mats;this penning's thing is turning out to be as much work as the rest of the key server comined
1235517;1439346831;asciilifeform;penning ?
1235518;1439346837;asciilifeform;mats is trapping charged particles ?
1235519;1439346876;mats;Maintains the strong set, displays some statistics as to it in the manner of Penning's thing [http://pgp.cs.uu.nl] <<
1235520;1439346882;asciilifeform;ah, that.
1235521;1439346899;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: iirc you pointed the finger at kako and he pointed it back at you. in any event, i'd like to see it back up. never know when said pressing need might arise.
1235522;1439346941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is the lemonade stand <=> dope slinging ?
1235523;1439346952;asciilifeform;lulzier
1235524;1439346958;asciilifeform;he was pissing on 'mba'
1235525;1439346973;mircea_popescu;mats oh, yeah. that.
1235526;1439346975;asciilifeform;(popular scapegoat in usa)
1235527;1439346990;mircea_popescu;it will be epic tho.
1235528;1439347188;mircea_popescu;;;ud Obama Derangement Syndrome
1235529;1439347188;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama+Derangement+Syndrome | Obama's positions better reflect the change and new direction that the American people have been calling for, but those with Obama Derangement Syndrome ...
1235530;1439347228;mircea_popescu;strangely enough, the dsm-ud did not have a heading for "bush-reactive psychopathy"
1235531;1439347308;pete_dushenski;sounds like a krugman term
1235532;1439347313;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/opinion/paul-krugman-gop-candidates-and-obamas-failure-to-fail.html << specifically
1235533;1439347316;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXHV8I )
1235534;1439347354;pete_dushenski;"Out there in the real world, none of the disasters their party predicted have actually come to pass. President Obama just keeps failing to fail. And that’s a big problem for the G.O.P. — even bigger than Donald Trump."
1235535;1439347356;mircea_popescu;"Hey, who wouldn't vote for Morgan Freeman? Obama is unabashedly liberal, intelligent, and acts like he knows it. He's "uppity." People who think they're superior run headlong into someone who is superior, and they don't like it."
1235536;1439347358;mircea_popescu;check it out ?!
1235537;1439347371;asciilifeform;http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-most-evil-people-in-american-history.html << comedically lulzy
1235538;1439347372;assbot;Steve Dutch: The Most Evil People in American History ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXI2Bl )
1235539;1439347389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i rarely get to read folk who at the same time seem able to find their way out of a paper bag and actually believe obama similarly could.
1235540;1439347398;mircea_popescu;is this played straight ?
1235541;1439347409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you dig, dig, turns out herr dutch has a little seekrit
1235542;1439347415;asciilifeform;well, not quite
1235543;1439347427;asciilifeform;but apparently he's somewhat of a... catholic apologist, in the old school.
1235544;1439347432;asciilifeform;didn't know they made those any more.
1235545;1439347438;mircea_popescu;but i mean... sure, he's uppity. i have yet to see a sign of intelligence.
1235546;1439347440;asciilifeform;hence the combo of 'brain' but 'wtf'
1235547;1439347444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how's that relate to hm.
1235548;1439347471;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i kinda don't look at that part, because plenty of orthodox nuts otherwise very intelligent.
1235549;1439347489;mircea_popescu;also a few jews with the same odd behaviour.
1235550;1439347508;*;asciilifeform not a shrink. but, on reflection, has seen this before.
1235551;1439347619;asciilifeform;'You did virtually nothing to create the conveniences you enjoy. The retirement plan 300 years ago was: get up, go to work, come home, go to bed, repeat. Then one day, you didn't get up because you were dead. ' << mega-clairvoyant! knows my retirement plan!
1235552;1439347627;asciilifeform;( http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2012/05/forget-third-parties-we-need-fourth.html )
1235553;1439347628;assbot;Steve Dutch: Forget Third Parties: We Need a Fourth Party, (And Why We Won't Get One) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTpDdY )
1235554;1439347793;mircea_popescu;i beg to differ.
1235555;1439347809;mircea_popescu;i am not a person in the sense of this rootless, hopeless lotus floating on a sea that somehow is owned byu "the state".
1235556;1439347826;asciilifeform;then to herr dutch you are a dragon and don't exist
1235557;1439347829;asciilifeform;naturally.
1235558;1439347833;mircea_popescu;i am the proud result of an endless line that predates all states, and the fucking lake, the lake's bottom, and the core of the earth are mine.
1235559;1439347871;mircea_popescu;so... take teh "oh you didn't create" talk an' dangle.
1235560;1439347899;mircea_popescu;no state ever created anything. it was another mircea that carried the fucking head of the turk pasha after that one failed crusade when all of europe ran off and the us wasn't invented yet.
1235561;1439347906;asciilifeform;dutch (damn it why do i have to run this fella under emulation..) would prolly answer 'you and what nuke'
1235562;1439347909;mircea_popescu;and so there.
1235563;1439347951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, but i care what he asks like i care what the mosquito buzzes.
1235564;1439347963;mircea_popescu;he'd better buzz out of range, if it knows what's good for its retirement plan.
1235565;1439347992;*;asciilifeform is reading these words to the tune of a million actual mosquitoes. somehow appropriate
1235566;1439348014;mircea_popescu;you know they don't seem to exist here ?
1235567;1439348018;asciilifeform;we have'em here: large, small, all sizes
1235568;1439348019;mircea_popescu;fucking insane, river, swamp, the works.
1235569;1439348025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and the ones that did exist, could not bite me!
1235570;1439348027;asciilifeform;srsly wtf
1235571;1439348042;asciilifeform;folks kept swatting'em but apparently nobody - iirc - bitten
1235572;1439348062;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ?
1235573;1439348071;mircea_popescu;they are kinda incredibly derpy.
1235574;1439348482;mircea_popescu;Conservatives oppose abortion but are okay with war and capital punishment. (So am I - I think everyone in the capital deserves to be punished)
1235575;1439348488;mircea_popescu;better watch out alf, he's coming for you.
1235576;1439348520;*;asciilifeform already in pretty good punishment just by living here
1235577;1439348543;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ? << heheh. i might have gotten a bite or two.  i paid them back ~10x iirc.
1235578;1439348553;nubbins`;nah i don't crochet
1235579;1439348561;nubbins`;i think that was a lens flare
1235580;1439348610;mod6;where i live these things are not just a nuisance like in .ar, but ubiquitous
1235581;1439348742;asciilifeform;almost thick enough to walk on, here.
1235582;1439348758;mod6;heheheh
1235583;1439348866;mod6;'tis one of the reasons i enjoyed camping in the west so much, back east the mosquitoes try to carry you away.
1235584;1439348908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform install filtyers, make diesel ?
1235585;1439348927;mircea_popescu;"More specifically, nobody wants a meritocracy based on actual accomplishment.  What both camps really want is a meritocracy of values, that is, an aristocracy in which position is dictated by attitude and conduct."
1235586;1439348942;mircea_popescu;heh. usians don't want to work no more. news at 99:99
1235587;1439348945;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for all i know, my tank is full of precisely mosquito petrol even now.
1235588;1439349125;mircea_popescu;"hola nos quedamos sin trabajo mi esposo y yo y busco ayuda economica a cambio de sex para asi poder ahorrar algo y poner un negocio soy ama de casa no modelo ni profecional en esto  soy bajita  36 a�os"
1235589;1439349141;mircea_popescu;definitely a new one.
1235590;1439349162;asciilifeform;^ brendafdez ?
1235591;1439349169;mircea_popescu;(housewife wants money to get sex change operation to earn money to start a business)
1235592;1439349173;mircea_popescu;nah
1235593;1439349208;asciilifeform;mega-inv3stm3nt.
1235594;1439349302;mircea_popescu;this has got to be some sort of very specialised praying on aging usian expats.
1235595;1439349325;mircea_popescu;it makes no sense outside of "a collection of fetishes liable to drive a 60 yo protestant dude with money"
1235596;1439349339;asciilifeform;oughtn't it be in the king's inglisch then ?
1235597;1439349383;mircea_popescu;maybe that's a giveaway
1235598;1439349466;scoopbot_revived;The Trump Train is heading for the White House. Maybe. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/11/the-trump-train-is-heading-for-the-white-house-maybe/
1235599;1439349621;asciilifeform;'You eat food you didn't grow and in many cases have no idea where it came from or what it looks like in nature. You rely on elaborate machines to get you places, but have no idea how they work. If your car stops, you have no idea what went wrong or what to do to fix it. In many cases, there is nothing you personally can do. To travel long distances you get into a big flying tube that leaves you completely at the mercy of othe
1235600;1439349621;asciilifeform;r people. Your illnesses are treated by people who speak a language you don't understand and who give you little nondescript pills containing who knows what? Everything in your house connects to outlets in the wall that supply electricity created by processes you don't understand. You are reading this on a device that might as well be populated by fairies for all you know. And when something pops up saying you have a virus or
1235601;1439349622;asciilifeform;the FBI has caught you downloading illegal material, you don't have a clue what to do. ... ... Most Americans are like that, kept alive and prosperous only through the exertions of people more productive, inventive and generous than they are. The productive view them not so much as loathsome insects, as puppies who will eventually go to the pound if they pee on the rug too often.'
1235602;1439349631;asciilifeform;(dutch)
1235603;1439349706;mircea_popescu;in this vein : went to pharmacy here, told pharmacist what i want, he went and fetched. cox-2 inhibitor, no prescription needed becasuse the criteria in argentina is "do you speak the language ? if not, get someone who does to write what you need down for you"
1235604;1439349726;mircea_popescu;but i happen to speak that language.
1235605;1439349821;asciilifeform;iirc banned by usg
1235606;1439349843;asciilifeform;who still makes them ?
1235607;1439349854;asciilifeform;(india?)
1235608;1439349896;mircea_popescu;msotly banned because the idiots prescribed them like they prescribe anything, "forever", and they don't work forever.
1235609;1439349912;mircea_popescu;but still unparalleled for extemporaneous intervention.
1235610;1439349964;asciilifeform;how will pharma execs snort coke from golden toilets if prescribing were not forever, aha
1235611;1439349987;mircea_popescu;and this was produced by merck. for "export", ie, "to be sold in sane countries"
1235612;1439349989;asciilifeform;how will predatory castes of lawyers, 'social workerz', etc. eat
1235613;1439350006;mircea_popescu;30 bux, 28 pills.
1235614;1439350011;asciilifeform;spiffy
1235615;1439350031;mircea_popescu;for their effectual purpose, good for a decade or more.
1235616;1439350058;asciilifeform;like most pharma
1235617;1439350069;mircea_popescu;meanwhile usians with the same sort of problem get substandard care in the shape of cox-1&2 inhibitors in massive dossage.
1235618;1439350076;asciilifeform;(the exceptions are few and generally well-documented)
1235619;1439350226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7894 @ 0.00060669 = 4.7892 BTC [+] {3} 
1235620;1439350233;mircea_popescu;(if anyone is curious - yes the pharmacist tested me. he asked "what dosage ?" and i said uh... 100... maybe 50, no, not really. 80 ? turns out he had 60, 90 and 120. because 50 is not really quite enough and 100 is maybe a little too much, but if those are the options go for 100
1235621;1439350240;mircea_popescu;and once i knew that, he had no further questions)
1235622;1439350299;asciilifeform;what of classical dopes, of the 'down' or 'up' kinds, either
1235623;1439350305;asciilifeform;also sold for the asking ?
1235624;1439350313;mircea_popescu;not usually carried.
1235625;1439350330;mircea_popescu;they're petrified of "insecuridad" these folks. like they live with the vikings or something.
1235626;1439350336;asciilifeform;l0l
1235627;1439350337;mircea_popescu;you'l lhave to get it at a major hospital.
1235628;1439350348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45750 @ 0.00060783 = 27.8082 BTC [+] {6} 
1235629;1439350392;*;asciilifeform once visited a shop, not far from home, which sold gigantic safes. most of the pre-owned units were from pharmacies, and some had catalogues of the contents still glued to inside of door
1235630;1439350418;mircea_popescu;safe, like fighter jet , is not the whole story.
1235631;1439350423;asciilifeform;naturally.
1235632;1439350427;mircea_popescu;and the people who actually have the whole story do not reaslly employ safes
1235633;1439350438;mircea_popescu;or at least a story on my blog tends to support this theory.
1235634;1439350443;asciilifeform;the safes existed to begin with on account of usg fiat
1235635;1439350456;asciilifeform;(the drugs are cheap and their theft is no serious loss to the shop)
1235636;1439350462;asciilifeform;story?
1235637;1439350471;mircea_popescu;you recall, the whores.
1235638;1439350488;*;asciilifeform thinks
1235639;1439350492;asciilifeform;which whores
1235640;1439350513;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/ there.
1235641;1439350514;assbot;Spargatorii si curva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UBZaVo )
1235642;1439351055;asciilifeform;'One of the juicier scientific scandals of recent times involves Dutch psychologist Diederik Stapel, who admitted to fabricating many of his research results. A full list of Stapel's falsified articles hasn't been published, but the titles of some of his articles (some of which may not be tainted) offer insights. The article that outed him was "Coping with Chaos: How Disordered Contexts Promote Stereotyping and Discrimination.
1235643;1439351055;asciilifeform;" ... ... Lots of emphasis on stereotyping, how we construct reality, and so on. Nothing that challenges the basic assumptions of social scientists at all. And that's really how he got away with it. He reported what his colleagues expected to see. ... There are probably tons of articles in the scientific literature based on faked data, and undetected because the results were uncontroversial. There are many more where data were
1235644;1439351056;asciilifeform; filtered or fudged but which remain undetected because the end results were correct. Still more contain honest errors that went undetected because the overall results were valid or the error was peripheral to the main point of the paper.'
1235645;1439351417;mircea_popescu;where "uncontroversial" = fit the political agenda
1235646;1439351426;asciilifeform;aha
1235647;1439351431;asciilifeform;how else.
1235648;1439351434;mircea_popescu;like "global warming" flavour of "uncontroversial". like lysenko "uncontroversial"
1235649;1439351445;mircea_popescu;like psychological school of moscow "uncontroversial". asshats.
1235650;1439351450;asciilifeform;(there is also the 'impenetrably obscure' flavour of 'uncontroversy')
1235651;1439351568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2362 @ 0.00061586 = 1.4547 BTC [+]
1235652;1439351579;mircea_popescu;anwyay, lest we be too harsh on the social pseudoscientists that gotta eat,
1235653;1439351589;mircea_popescu;one must remember the fabled charge of the electorn measurements.
1235654;1439351598;mircea_popescu;people are just assholes, is all.
1235655;1439351603;asciilifeform;that's kinda the one i think of automatically
1235656;1439351607;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1235657;1439351617;asciilifeform;and incidentally just about every serious field has own millikan
1235658;1439351623;asciilifeform;or three
1235659;1439351647;asciilifeform;almost a pons asinorum for basic literacy in $subject - 'name the millikans.'
1235660;1439351743;asciilifeform;(one can debate whether it is proper to speak of a millikan in a subject without experimentals, like mathematics. but overall anybody who fogs brains with his auctoritas while even in the grave, is a millikan)
1235661;1439352788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00060574 = 9.4193 BTC [-]
1235662;1439353276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00062705 = 9.9701 BTC [+] {3} 
1235663;1439354191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00060574 = 21.9581 BTC [-]
1235664;1439355716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00063556 = 19.321 BTC [+] {5} 
1235665;1439357241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00062512 = 19.0036 BTC [-] {3} 
1235666;1439357729;mircea_popescu;thew problem is of course not mr m.
1235667;1439358217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79050 @ 0.00063915 = 50.5248 BTC [+] {7} 
1235668;1439358626;scoopbot_revived;Microsoft Issues Third Generation Anti-Stuxnet Patch http://qntra.net/2015/08/microsoft-issues-third-generation-anti-stuxnet-patch/
1235669;1439360474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00060987 = 25.0962 BTC [-] {3} 
1235670;1439360718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6265 @ 0.00060574 = 3.795 BTC [-] {2} 
1235671;1439360860;punkman; http://www.beingbecca.com/twenty-four-hours-in-ramallah/
1235672;1439360861;assbot;Twenty Four Hours in Ramallah ... ( http://bit.ly/1WhxsPH )
1235673;1439362323;punkman;"Irwin Lipkin, 77, agreed he owes the government a Rolex watch, a  well-known painting by Red Skelton and $170 billion cash on Monday, and  was sentenced to six months in jail Wednesday"
1235674;1439362376;punkman;(Bernie Madoff employee)
1235675;1439362409;punkman;"Lipkin also agreed to give up a vacation home in Delray Beach, Florida  as part of his plea deal, but he was allowed to keep another home in New  Jersey, his stamp collection and another Red Skelton painting."
1235676;1439366391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43197 @ 0.00060548 = 26.1549 BTC [-]
1235677;1439366601;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1235195 *yawn* just how do you enforce a judgement on a degenerate like garza?
1235678;1439366601;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 20:56:02; shinohai: Ouch >>> http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-miners-lawsuit-340k-default/
1235679;1439367105;shinohai;Pray he comes back from Dubai and politely pays you in full cazalla ? Like Krapeles
1235680;1439368102;punkman;"GAW Miners failed to pay for months of electrical provision as well as  infrastructure installation. The utility initially sought $346,647.29  plus interest and court fees."
1235681;1439368128;fluffypony;that's a loooot of money
1235682;1439368166;punkman;I wonder if any miners are doing this systematically
1235683;1439368246;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1235279 <<< https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1417/38/1417382902048.png nigga, we wuz pharaohs and shit
1235684;1439368246;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 21:47:42; mircea_popescu: how exactly did some us black guy get his "we" to include i presume egyptians, which weren't black while he wasn't in africa, is anyone's guess.
1235685;1439368247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYeljn )
1235686;1439368247;punkman;mine as long as utility company doesn't cut power, make new account, start over
1235687;1439368376;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1235245 <<< sorta mirrors the growth in the blockchain size
1235688;1439368376;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 21:34:56; trinque: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1SL
1235689;1439368926;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPEfArQU7tc
1235690;1439368927;assbot;Mexican Oil and Drug Cartels: Cocaine & Crude (Full Length) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYfCXY )
1235691;1439368969;shinohai;http://redd.it/3glfo1
1235692;1439368971;assbot;~44% of Bitcoin mining hash power is currently voting to support 8 MB blocks. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYfFmz )
1235693;1439369380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00060984 = 22.1067 BTC [+] {2} 
1235694;1439369999;cazalla;looking at tassie property.. come across all but abandoned laboratory in the middle of nowhere in the middle of tasmania, maybe perfect for asciilifeform types?
1235695;1439370058;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/S6FsSE2.png
1235696;1439370059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYhWxZ )
1235697;1439370295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00062135 = 15.0367 BTC [+]
1235698;1439370517;shinohai;ROFL BingoBoingo
1235699;1439370818;punkman;went to the bakery, was thinking about buying a donut, then a cockroach looked at me through the donut hole
1235700;1439370965;shinohai;nope.exe
1235701;1439371002;punkman;I've never seen such a thing before
1235702;1439371142;shinohai;Because I'm too lazy to go out this morning, bagels and coffee at home.
1235703;1439371149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00060163 = 4.061 BTC [-] {2} 
1235704;1439371155;shinohai;vermin free.
1235705;1439371289;punkman;girl infected me with some kind of cold, been sweating at random intervals since last night, but no fever.
1235706;1439371290;cazalla;i would think just about every bakery has some cockies punkman
1235707;1439371305;punkman;cazalla: yeah but not where you can see them
1235708;1439371934;shinohai;funded by teh guv http://bitcoinist.net/sabr-io-identifies-illegal-activity-blockchains-willing-work-law-enforcement/
1235709;1439371935;assbot;SABR.io Identifies Illegal Activity on Blockchains, Willing to Work With Law Enforcement - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFyha3 )
1235710;1439373384;punkman;http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/06/russian-food-crematoria-to-burn-cheese-bacon-as-russians-starve.html
1235711;1439373386;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFC1rU )
1235712;1439373616;shinohai;Russia being obtuse again.
1235713;1439374179;cazalla;"More than 285,000 people have backed an online petition on change.org, an international website that hosts campaigns, calling on President Vladimir Putin to revoke the decision and hand the food to people in need. " this change.org shit is recurring recently, i come across it even in the local rag
1235714;1439374363;shinohai;I see change.org as simply an outlet for the masses to feel as if they are inspiring social change.
1235715;1439374413;fluffypony;the people have spoken!
1235716;1439374420;fluffypony;it's just that nobody is listening
1235717;1439375028;shinohai;Oh well, be the change and all.
1235718;1439375419;williamdunne;bank has notarized + apostilled documents certifying GPG key owned by me. bank uses GPG. bank requires documents to be signed in front of a notary and apostilled and won't accept GPG signatures. wao. fiat word sux
1235719;1439375448;williamdunne;The whole apostille thing is fuckheaded as well
1235720;1439375457;*;williamdunne is bitter
1235721;1439375606;punkman;how do they use GPG then?
1235722;1439376125;shinohai;Do they have someone writing out keys on bankslips?
1235723;1439376141;fluffypony;stamps
1235724;1439376144;fluffypony;they're the way of the future
1235725;1439376151;fluffypony;obviously can't be faked
1235726;1439376174;shinohai;lets just all go back to wax seals and signet rings.
1235727;1439376217;williamdunne;punkman: you can send and receive encrypted and signed emails to and from your relationship manager.
1235728;1439376237;williamdunne;shinohai: corporate stamps are still a thing
1235729;1439376239;shinohai;well that's something at least.
1235730;1439376265;shinohai;Oh I know. I had an array of stamps in one of my former jobs.
1235731;1439376282;williamdunne;Recently I had the pleasure of having a legalized translation done
1235732;1439376287;williamdunne;62 pages translated to RO
1235733;1439376292;williamdunne;Then three copies had to be done
1235734;1439376297;williamdunne;In both English and Romanian
1235735;1439376303;williamdunne;One for the translator, one for the notary, and one for me
1235736;1439376314;williamdunne;Then each page had to be stamped and signed
1235737;1439376323;williamdunne;And then the final page had to have seven (yes seven) stamps
1235738;1439376333;williamdunne;Of course, this process had to be completed on each copy..
1235739;1439376372;shinohai;guvment efficiency. Notarize with deedbot or something.
1235740;1439376390;williamdunne;http://extra.listverse.com/amazon/scifiseries/2005_the_hitchhickers_guide_to_the_galaxy_wallpaper_005.jpg
1235741;1439376392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKbAmR )
1235742;1439376458;williamdunne;And then there is the lulz with South Africa too. "We need proof of address for the company"
1235743;1439376458;williamdunne;"It's a new company"
1235744;1439376458;williamdunne;"You need proof of address, like a utility bill or bank statement to open an account in the company name"
1235745;1439376511;williamdunne;UNless I can sort out proof of address somehow, the process is:
1235746;1439376511;williamdunne;Open account with another bank, that will literally send someone to the building to check it is where we say we are
1235747;1439376511;williamdunne;Use a bank statement with the other bank, to open account with the bank who wants to work with us
1235748;1439376520;williamdunne;50 shades of derp
1235749;1439376603;punkman;sounds like you might be doing it wrong
1235750;1439376631;shinohai;When in Rome, you gotta do as the Romans do I guess.
1235751;1439376769;shinohai;Gotta give williamdunne props for navigating it all tho. You make jeffery smith look like an amateur
1235752;1439379262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00060477 = 14.9378 BTC [+]
1235753;1439380310;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235479 < That's Secondmarket/DCG/Barry Silbert's company.
1235754;1439380310;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 02:10:46; assbot: SABR.io wants to unmask Bitcoin transactions and has raised $1 million in funding. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFOlp )
1235755;1439380310;kakobrekla;Guess who else they invested in? Shapeshift.
1235756;1439380324;kakobrekla;which is voorhees iirc
1235757;1439380748;shinohai;ShapeShit
1235758;1439380776;kakobrekla;nice logo.
1235759;1439380848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27191 @ 0.0006054 = 16.4614 BTC [+] {3} 
1235760;1439381629;Adlai;also voorhees https://archive.is/D5mlu
1235761;1439381630;assbot;evoorhees comments on [bitcoin-dev] Significant losses by double-spending unconfirmed transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKiPem )
1235762;1439381724;williamdunne;Eh, shapeshift seems pretty well executed from a customer perspective
1235763;1439381750;williamdunne;If you're gonna be into crapcoins, might as well do it on a simple platform like shapeshift
1235764;1439382229;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1150481.0
1235765;1439382231;assbot;I ran Bitcoin Core for >3 years, and I turned it off today ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKjKvs )
1235766;1439382254;shinohai;hilarious. Whining about censorship when theymos censored nothing.
1235767;1439384178;Adlai;bwah, /buffer 33
1235768;1439384181;Adlai;oops
1235769;1439384200;Adlai;at least it's not a brainwallet
1235770;1439384624;kakobrekla;or is it
1235771;1439384630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.00060726 = 17.5747 BTC [+] {7} 
1235772;1439385171;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235668 << mega-lulzy how microshit drags it onwards for ~years~ on more-or-less undeniable orders from of nsa
1235773;1439385171;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 05:50:26; scoopbot_revived: Microsoft Issues Third Generation Anti-Stuxnet Patch http://qntra.net/2015/08/microsoft-issues-third-generation-anti-stuxnet-patch/
1235774;1439385301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060163 = 5.2943 BTC [-]
1235775;1439385319;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235694 << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards
1235776;1439385319;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 08:59:59; cazalla: looking at tassie property.. come across all but abandoned laboratory in the middle of nowhere in the middle of tasmania, maybe perfect for asciilifeform types?
1235777;1439385546;mircea_popescu;lmao murdoch
1235778;1439385593;asciilifeform;not to mention the fact that au is a kind of proving ground for fresh usg idiocies, with simplified bureaucracy, desaparecido without so much as a squeak
1235779;1439385660;mircea_popescu;fluffypony if it's half and half 350k over 4 months means
1235780;1439385705;mircea_popescu;something like half a mw, give or take.
1235781;1439385789;mircea_popescu;not entirely inconceivable. and if you take the other half and pretend materials are free and you get billed for construction work at 50 an hour, that's about six weeks worth of a 12 man team's work.
1235782;1439385814;mircea_popescu;also not inconceivable.
1235783;1439385890;mircea_popescu;<assbot> ~44% of Bitcoin mining hash power is currently voting to support 8 MB blocks. << jesus fuck look at these idiots, didn't skip a beat
1235784;1439385935;mircea_popescu;"85% voted to implement a trivial change that was both needed and uncontroversial. they didn't implement it and bitcoin forked. lesson learned! 44% "vote" to implement a change that mp said he will attack. WHATCOULDGOWRONG!111"
1235785;1439385939;asciilifeform;why would they skip a beat
1235786;1439385960;mircea_popescu;right.
1235787;1439385986;asciilifeform;hearn put on 'oppressed by cruel censors' suit, is now a darling of 'the masses' etc
1235788;1439385993;mircea_popescu;eh what masses.
1235789;1439386001;asciilifeform;the fecal masses, what other.
1235790;1439386016;asciilifeform;mobilize the bolus! (tm) (r) (uncle al)
1235791;1439386055;mircea_popescu;punkman sounds like some horrible african ebola. who's she been seeing ?
1235792;1439386128;mircea_popescu;<shinohai> I see change.org as simply an outlet for the masses to feel as if they are inspiring social change. << well mostly it's an obama thing. guy made his own reddit, somewhat more dysfunctional.
1235793;1439386155;mircea_popescu;<williamdunne> The whole apostille thing is fuckheaded as well << yeah srsly.
1235794;1439386197;mircea_popescu;<williamdunne> punkman: you can send and receive encrypted and signed emails to and from your relationship manager. << who keeps all of them plaintext in his internet-connected excel.
1235795;1439386211;shinohai;kek
1235796;1439386220;punkman;^ aha
1235797;1439386233;punkman;also, there are worse things than having to apostille a document
1235798;1439386238;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I, mr government official, confirm that mrs notary, did in fact agree that the documents were correct that he brought on the day. She said so and she signed it.
1235799;1439386243;williamdunne;punkman: Legalization, I know
1235800;1439386247;williamdunne;I had to do that as well
1235801;1439386270;mircea_popescu;williamdunne> 50 shades of derp << they have the same nonsense here. /me had cute notary clerk over for biscuits, problem solved.
1235802;1439386321;williamdunne;yeah, mine came over to my house as well to deal with all the paperwork because she gave me some other pricks passport.
1235803;1439386455;mircea_popescu;williamdunne people wanna matter. whenever a vote comes to whether they wanna matter more or less, they vote they wanna matter more. meanwhile they keep mattering less. what's one to do.
1235804;1439386471;mircea_popescu;give them some silly putty to play with.
1235805;1439386492;mircea_popescu;"The business model associated with the Sabr.io service is noble and honorable, as the company wants to eliminate any criminal activity associated with virtual currencies."
1235806;1439386493;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo
1235807;1439386511;mircea_popescu;"noble and honorable" since when is this part of the discourse.
1235808;1439386521;mircea_popescu;hire more native speakers, yo.
1235809;1439386522;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235480 << earlier
1235810;1439386522;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 02:12:41; asciilifeform: how long has it been since sc4mz0rz quit doing the most elementary homework to see if other, larger and better-connected sc4mz0rz are pulling the same scam already ?
1235811;1439386536;williamdunne;I'd happily give them some silly putty, but I'd rather not be forced to waste my own time and resources for something that should be easy like opening a bank account. Bitcoin has spoiled me.
1235812;1439386544;asciilifeform;they're stuck competing (for usg trough) with noblis et al
1235813;1439386601;williamdunne;Haven't you heard? Criminal activity is immoral by default
1235814;1439386611;asciilifeform;and yes, their ad copy smells of india
1235815;1439386631;williamdunne;If they outlaw breathing, you should not break the social contract by fighting for life
1235816;1439386643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00060759 = 7.6253 BTC [+]
1235817;1439386678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is not a drawback.
1235818;1439386693;mircea_popescu;most scamzors live their entire life replicating what actually successful people do.
1235819;1439386749;asciilifeform;and stone age islanders spend entire lives replicating what airplane makers do, aha
1235820;1439386755;asciilifeform;just slightly differently
1235821;1439386785;punkman;"if nobody else is doing it, there's no money in this scam"
1235822;1439386809;mircea_popescu;for that matter, looky here. when i was younger, we had this constant problem where kids watched who knows what on the (recently available) tv and decided they're gonna be MOBSTERERS!!11 LIEK IRL!!
1235823;1439386822;mircea_popescu;then you had the practical choice of either killing a bunch of 16 yos or complete disorder
1235824;1439386848;mircea_popescu;(which was generally resolved by beating the shit out of them in group - apparently teenaged boys benefit from the shared experience).
1235825;1439386875;asciilifeform;sorta how it was handled in ru at the time, aha
1235826;1439386886;mircea_popescu;well what the fuck you gonna do, decimate the teens ?
1235827;1439386895;mircea_popescu;not that people weren't tempted, especially after a fucking while.
1235828;1439386919;asciilifeform;they were born to feed cannons
1235829;1439386923;mircea_popescu;nothing better illustrates the fundamentally maggoty quality of the human race than being in the position of, approximately speaking, a highschool disciplinarian.
1235830;1439386964;williamdunne;Never understood the usage of gang-beatings to show strength. I can understand it to create fear.. but strength
1235831;1439387004;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what's your theory of homosexual rape in prison ? what drives it ?
1235832;1439387014;williamdunne;Domination
1235833;1439387021;mircea_popescu;so there you go. what fucking "strength".
1235834;1439387045;williamdunne;I'd disagree that a gang-beating is particularly dominating
1235835;1439387060;asciilifeform;incidentally, by all accounts even the vikings had 'lowering into pederasty' precisely like ru prison
1235836;1439387067;asciilifeform;cross-cultural institution
1235837;1439387070;mircea_popescu;ever been beaten ?
1235838;1439387106;asciilifeform;there are folks who were never beaten? not even a bit ?
1235839;1439387110;williamdunne;No, only ever done hte beating
1235840;1439387116;williamdunne;So far
1235841;1439387119;mircea_popescu;and you disagree it works ?!
1235842;1439387134;mircea_popescu;you must've been doing it wrong.
1235843;1439387136;williamdunne;Sure, but I was always on the smaller/equal side
1235844;1439387147;mircea_popescu;...
1235845;1439387148;williamdunne;I've never given a gang beating
1235846;1439387150;mircea_popescu;i don't follow ?
1235847;1439387158;mircea_popescu;well so then on what grounds do you disagree of anything there lol.
1235848;1439387186;williamdunne;Purely in my head, I'm not certain I'd fear any individual in a group of 8 that beat me
1235849;1439387196;mircea_popescu;obviouisly an amicable bout between friends & equals is a great community building tool.
1235850;1439387198;mircea_popescu;no argument.
1235851;1439387214;punkman;asciilifeform: there are folks who were never beaten? not even a bit ? << lots of em
1235852;1439387228;williamdunne;For example, when one person tried to get a few to jump me, they were forced to keep a fairly large distance between themselves and I
1235853;1439387234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "i've never been punched! black and white are the same color! a yellow apple on a yellow cab!"
1235854;1439387245;asciilifeform;l0lwat
1235855;1439387255;mircea_popescu;;;google  "i've never been punched! black and white are the same color! a yellow apple on a yellow cab!"
1235856;1439387256;gribble;SNL Transcripts: Daniel Radcliffe: 01/14/12: You Can Do Anything!: <http://snltranscripts.jt.org/11/11lanything.phtml>; Color of the Week: Spring Blossom Yellow - Houzz: <http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/44456389/list/color-of-the-week-spring-blossom-yellow>; SocketSite™ | San Francisco's Yellow Cab Cooperative Could Be ...: (1 more message)
1235857;1439387307;mircea_popescu;williamdunne we're not talking of the same thing.
1235858;1439387497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30308 @ 0.0005966 = 18.0818 BTC [-] {3} 
1235859;1439387562;mircea_popescu;and to close on a musical note,
1235860;1439387563;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: What are we talking of?
1235861;1439387566;mircea_popescu;;;google don't take your guns to town
1235862;1439387567;gribble;JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Don't Take Your Guns To Town - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/donttakeyourgunstotown.html>; Don't Take Your Guns to Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Take_Your_Guns_to_Town>; Johnny Cash "Don't Take Your Guns to Town" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raXKeQ5qFwo>
1235863;1439387624;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i don't expect this is something that can be verbally communicated, and jesus fuck have i wasted some time if that's actually not so. but perhaps it'll be easier to understand when you take yourself out of there.
1235864;1439387628;mircea_popescu;ever heard of rotherham ?
1235865;1439387659;williamdunne;Only the town
1235866;1439387684;mircea_popescu;so in that town, there once were a bunch of girlies, which for whatever reason grew up with the impression that they're not plainly wrapped fuckmeat for some dudes.
1235867;1439387693;mircea_popescu;and actualised this delusion by bitching at who knows what.
1235868;1439387715;mircea_popescu;next thing you know, one's doused in gasoline begging for no lights and the other's staring at text messages in her cellphone about her sister and so forth.
1235869;1439387729;mircea_popescu;so they DO change their mind, and go take their place in the line of plainly wrapped, bipedal fuckmeat.
1235870;1439387735;mircea_popescu;it, apparently, for them, worked just fine.
1235871;1439387754;mircea_popescu;ever read about all that ?
1235872;1439387783;williamdunne;Not in any detail, I'll have a look
1235873;1439387793;mircea_popescu;now, sure, maybe you personally are different from a few thousand pubescent girlies.
1235874;1439387807;mircea_popescu;but the one time you'll know this, apparently hasn't come yet.
1235875;1439387863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00060843 = 27.9878 BTC [+] {3} 
1235876;1439387899;williamdunne;Did it work fine for them?
1235877;1439387927;mircea_popescu;seems so.
1235878;1439387975;williamdunne;From what I can see they may contend that point
1235879;1439388013;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
1235880;1439388090;williamdunne;Well the only references I'm seeing to it are describing it as a traumatic experience. While traumatic can be a force for good I can't see anything suggesting it did her any particular favours
1235881;1439388132;mircea_popescu;you gotta be kidding me.
1235882;1439388154;mircea_popescu;how about the references where they withdrew complaints / ran off from the da the day of testimony / etc ?
1235883;1439388185;mircea_popescu;how about the references where hundreds of people were involved in raping thousands of preteens for a decade + and all the ridiculous queen's got are five convictions for less than five years a head ?
1235884;1439388205;mircea_popescu;those dudes are going to be out before next year's out, they probably just wanted a break.
1235885;1439388210;williamdunne;That sounds more like it went well for the one pouring the gas, than her
1235886;1439388229;mircea_popescu;uhm.
1235887;1439388235;mircea_popescu;don't impose your values on others mkay ?
1235888;1439388256;mircea_popescu;wen't great for her, she's rapemeat, she loves it, ask her!
1235889;1439388262;mircea_popescu;da couldn't get her to say otherwise, after all.
1235890;1439388464;asciilifeform;the pakis are there on deliberate authority of the local affiliate of usg.
1235891;1439388467;asciilifeform;they are doing their job.
1235892;1439388486;asciilifeform;which is, yes, cultural massage.
1235893;1439388493;asciilifeform;yi yi zhi yi.
1235894;1439388518;mircea_popescu;so no, people aren't these magical snowflakes made out of independent thought and closely held principle. that view is chiefly an economical surplus phenomena, people tend to form that view if they live for too long unchallenged. otherwise, people are lazy and small. some smaller than lazy, some lazier than small. but by and large not worth the mention.
1235895;1439388528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun buy it.
1235896;1439388542;mircea_popescu;the pakis are there because between fifty of them they have more balls than the collected population of britons.
1235897;1439388562;asciilifeform;the last part is not in dispute
1235898;1439388571;asciilifeform;but they were shipped in for a reason.
1235899;1439388573;mircea_popescu;the part you propose is not necessary.
1235900;1439388580;mircea_popescu;yes, for the reason that shipping's cheap now.
1235901;1439388615;asciilifeform;they are also not collecting rapemeat in the financial district of london; or in oxbridge
1235902;1439388628;asciilifeform;or any other Places That Matter (tm)
1235903;1439388632;mircea_popescu;and no, the us didn't make shipping cheap, china did (srsly - look at what they did to that market if you wanna get scared).
1235904;1439388643;mircea_popescu;and yes, china would be the main beneficiary of getting rid of all these northern barbarians.
1235905;1439388656;mircea_popescu;so if you want to have a superpower, use china. the us is neither a superpower not really invovled.
1235906;1439388676;asciilifeform;the way 'yi yi zhi yi' works is that a usg fiefdom controls its lower classes, which might otherwise have some vitality left, by importing orcs
1235907;1439388681;mircea_popescu;actually rotherham is not that badly off. kinda why i used it to derail our amiable friend.
1235908;1439388696;asciilifeform;'not badly off' != globalelite
1235909;1439388729;mircea_popescu;globalelite = patriarchy = cis scum = jew bankers = illuminati = omfg spare me.
1235910;1439388783;asciilifeform;'the folks whose daughters are exempt from paki' are as good an approximation as any
1235911;1439388808;mircea_popescu;no folks daughters are so exempt except the paki's.
1235912;1439388813;mircea_popescu;btw, northern barbarians = the pakis. china's been pushing populations west since forever, and is continuing to do so. not intentionally, mind you.
1235913;1439388833;mircea_popescu;it just is so fucking big it causes gravity waves. when it weakens, the northern barbarians move east and you have european "peace".
1235914;1439388846;mircea_popescu;when it strengthens back, the barbarians run off west, and yo uhave "end of empires".
1235915;1439388868;mircea_popescu;why did rome succeed "holding the barbarians at bay" for a millenium and then collapsed in two centuries ? look at what was going on in china during.
1235916;1439388874;mircea_popescu;globalisation's older than dirt.
1235917;1439388887;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/meet-chechens.html
1235918;1439388888;assbot;ClubOrlov: Meet the Chechens ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiBPdk )
1235919;1439388928;asciilifeform;'And the only reason they succeeded in doing so is because we were total shit. We are still shit, but not quite so liquid, and in that shit there are some steel particles.'
1235920;1439389026;mircea_popescu;and the steel particles are gonna stick with the shit ? lol, kay.
1235921;1439389049;mircea_popescu;i moreover envision a situation where whatever steel's left, if there is, bands together and the shit gets buried.
1235922;1439389055;mircea_popescu;make a shovel already, i've had it.
1235923;1439389182;asciilifeform;http://bashny.net/uploads/images/00/00/45/2014/02/23/85d0ac9278.jpg << shovel
1235924;1439389182;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtCAfm )
1235925;1439389205;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1235926;1439389221;asciilifeform;http://www.turborotfl.com/en/news/3497/How_to_make_a_AK-47_from_a_shovel << source. famous
1235927;1439389223;assbot;How to make a AK-47 from a shovel? - Turborotfl.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtCOD7 )
1235928;1439389249;asciilifeform;(and no, not the barrel. what did you think.)
1235929;1439389282;mircea_popescu; On the Russian side, it was invariably the mommy who came, and nagged her son: �You shouldn't fight! Fighting is bad!� On the Chechen side it was invariably the father who came. He slapped his son upside the head and told him: �How dare you lose a fight to a stinking Russian�the son of an alcoholic and a prostitute? Tomorrow you thrash him so hard that he pisses himself from fear any time he sees you!�
1235930;1439389284;mircea_popescu;heh.
1235931;1439389308;mircea_popescu;drunk and whore, what "prostitute".
1235932;1439389323;mircea_popescu;for one thing, a whore's not prost [poorly] situated.
1235933;1439389346;asciilifeform;bad translat
1235934;1439389378;mircea_popescu;no, translation by a... putin russian.
1235935;1439389403;mircea_popescu;how do you call that little barrel in which you keep sour cream ? putinica in romanian.
1235936;1439389500;shinohai;http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5533944-christian-family-end-times-band-goes-down-in-hail-of-gunfire-at-walmart/
1235937;1439389548;shinohai;^ how did i miss that?
1235938;1439389585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what kind would you prefer? a white guard officer ?
1235939;1439389595;asciilifeform;(vs 'putin russian')
1235940;1439389607;mircea_popescu;honestly, i would prefer a chechen.
1235941;1439389623;mircea_popescu;but it is not really my place to prefer.
1235942;1439389632;asciilifeform;hey they speak ru. ask'em
1235943;1439389649;asciilifeform;(sorta how english is spoken in india, but yes, they speak)
1235944;1439389667;mircea_popescu;fuck em, what ask.
1235945;1439389677;mircea_popescu;looky, verbal-ness is drastically overrated this morning.
1235946;1439389692;mircea_popescu;there's no way i can explain to williamdunne what he asks and there's nothing i have to ~say~ to chechens.
1235947;1439389693;asciilifeform;spartan speaks with sword, aha
1235948;1439389733;*;asciilifeform groks this, but also does not know of how to explain in printed word to folks who don't
1235949;1439389754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00061089 = 16.158 BTC [+]
1235950;1439389838;asciilifeform;linked essay imho illustrates that 'chechens or local equivalent' are a necessary part of a balanced diet
1235951;1439389853;asciilifeform;even and especially for folks who like civilization
1235952;1439389858;mircea_popescu;right.
1235953;1439389868;asciilifeform;this is a point that gets lost, somehow.
1235954;1439389875;mircea_popescu;"When I showed up, there were fifteen of them waiting for me, all grown men. I thought that they would simply kill me."
1235955;1439389885;mircea_popescu;lmaop fucking idiot. who figures this, seriously.
1235956;1439389892;mircea_popescu;oh, wait, this is a boy huh. myeah. kay.
1235957;1439389898;asciilifeform;aha
1235958;1439389963;mircea_popescu;problem is, armies don't actually work for this purpose.
1235959;1439389976;mircea_popescu;http://img15.nnm.ru/a/0/7/4/2/06f1ab608c05615d0d66a33ff47_prev.jpg << this, for instance, is a mistake.,
1235960;1439389977;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiEHHa )
1235961;1439389983;mircea_popescu;not "shooting civillians". not "cowardly bombing".
1235962;1439389996;mircea_popescu;you wanna win one of these wars, simply ship your guys over. by fucking bus.
1235963;1439390002;asciilifeform;the only mistake i see in that photo is that the pit ain't full
1235964;1439390020;asciilifeform;militarily speaking
1235965;1439390021;mircea_popescu;the mistake is that the standing guy sought to protect himself.
1235966;1439390026;asciilifeform;well it also
1235967;1439390039;asciilifeform;but i assumed this was a victory shot
1235968;1439390044;mircea_popescu;"victory".
1235969;1439390049;asciilifeform;aha.
1235970;1439390051;mircea_popescu;where's that discussion of busses
1235971;1439390069;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758674
1235972;1439390069;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2014 23:42:34; mircea_popescu: if teh muricans really just wanted "something that shoots and a bus ticker there", i'd have been really worried about the afghanistani.
1235973;1439390070;asciilifeform;^ here
1235974;1439390077;mircea_popescu;right ty.
1235975;1439390091;mircea_popescu;so, yeah. do that, last fucking time you ever have to "fight" the "terrorists".
1235976;1439390102;asciilifeform;incidentally what happened was precisely this
1235977;1439390109;asciilifeform;trains full of volunteers from all over ru
1235978;1439390133;mircea_popescu;so is it pacified ?
1235979;1439390136;asciilifeform;not all the 'brightest bulbs', mind you. there were some comical incidents of the train stopping and local police confiscating (yes) weapons
1235980;1439390169;mircea_popescu;and they didn't hang tyhe "local police" by the lamp posts ?
1235981;1439390178;asciilifeform;as i said, not brightest bulbs
1235982;1439390183;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1235983;1439390207;asciilifeform;re: 'pacified?' - my understanding is that it is somewhat like a leaking pipe tied over with gauze
1235984;1439390217;asciilifeform;will hold, for how long?
1235985;1439390223;mircea_popescu;you know, teaching a woman that she's supposed to neglect the functioning of her head so she can focus on... the kitchen, i guess, as the puritans can't quite make the cunt point, is criminal.
1235986;1439390240;mircea_popescu;but teaching a boy that he should somehow cleave his intelligence from his activity is just as fucking criminal.
1235987;1439390255;mircea_popescu;you're not smart to live a long time, you're smart to live well. length don't enter into it.
1235988;1439390281;phf;that orlov quote is questionable, with the same message as his other writing, i.e. "orks are cooler then you" where you is a u.s. office worker. i grew up in intelligentsia family and when i started getting into fights i was sent to sambo. i also saw fights involving chechen boys, including "деревня на деревню" kind, and in none of those were russian boys holding back. what is this
1235989;1439390307;mircea_popescu;phf this is rt-blog.
1235990;1439390342;asciilifeform;phf: orlov is obsessed with the subject of 'noble orcs', where it is gypsy, or eskimo, or whoever hasn't invented water closet yet
1235991;1439390387;phf;mircea_popescu: oh that's the idea about him, i guess that makes sense
1235992;1439390395;mircea_popescu;that's my idea about him at any rate.
1235993;1439390400;asciilifeform;he is also obsessed with characteristic flavour of '90s ru decay, and is convinced that he is observing it in usa
1235994;1439390401;mircea_popescu;dunno that it's all that widely accepted.
1235995;1439390418;asciilifeform;the latter point isn't even so far off
1235996;1439390438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is that the us never having been a nation, it can't possibly fail like one.
1235997;1439390452;mircea_popescu;leaving aside resurgence.
1235998;1439390454;asciilifeform;can fail like india
1235999;1439390461;mircea_popescu;already is.
1236000;1439390463;asciilifeform;aha.
1236001;1439390473;mircea_popescu;but hey, orlov doesn't know about india. he got a hammer an' he's a builder.
1236002;1439390486;mircea_popescu;he's gonna build you a wood-and-nails ethernet card!
1236003;1439390497;asciilifeform;with square sails.
1236004;1439390511;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1236005;1439390520;mircea_popescu;beahahahahaa why the fuck is that so funny omg
1236006;1439390524;mircea_popescu;*air*
1236007;1439390525;*;asciilifeform bbl
1236008;1439390846;mircea_popescu;"Another time, in school, a group of Chechens stormed into a classroom in the middle of a class, selected the three most attractive girls, and dragged them away with them. Later we found out that the girls were presented as birthday presents to a local Chechen criminal authority."
1236009;1439390852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00061451 = 14.6561 BTC [+] {4} 
1236010;1439390856;mircea_popescu;i think he's mixing the pots, too. this story's from serbia.
1236011;1439390890;mircea_popescu;and the "criminal authority" has a name. also ran a hotel, which also had a name. etc.
1236012;1439391096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36143 @ 0.00059599 = 21.5409 BTC [-] {3} 
1236013;1439391136;phf;"my brother's brother heard it from the guy WHO WAS THERE" "man, i wish i could just steal girls from classrooms like a brave chechen, because i sure as hell can't talk to them"
1236014;1439391221;mircea_popescu;irk?
1236015;1439391243;phf;my interpretation of the piece.
1236016;1439391251;mircea_popescu;i know, right ?
1236017;1439391256;phf;oh right right
1236018;1439391326;mircea_popescu;i'm not an authority on subcaucasian tribal customs, but my guess would be that such deeds would be a face wound for the poor guy in question incompatible with any sort of continued authority.
1236019;1439391388;mircea_popescu;at the very least he'll be henceforth known as abdulbek the schoolteacher or something.
1236020;1439391397;phf;heheh
1236021;1439391401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11507 @ 0.00059337 = 6.8279 BTC [-]
1236022;1439391526;mircea_popescu;(the funniest thing about chechens is that they actually use the given name bula.
1236023;1439391535;mircea_popescu;bula is, in romanian, the protagonist of all jokes.)
1236024;1439391587;punkman;"Totos" in greek
1236025;1439391589;phf;why classroom though? how was selection process working with everyone running all over the place? did they had to dump one or two, because upon closer examination they were kind of meh?
1236026;1439391599;mircea_popescu;phf ever seen salo ?
1236027;1439391611;mircea_popescu;"una si bella fanciula... nessun' ne se h'a accorso..."
1236028;1439391624;mircea_popescu;punkman does it mean anything ?
1236029;1439391643;punkman;nope
1236030;1439391724;phf;oh, lined them up, checked teeth and vulvas
1236031;1439391746;mircea_popescu;and then never facefucked any of them.
1236032;1439391829;mircea_popescu;(anyway, one girl, the only one that is overtly flirting with the men, is rejected for the obscure reason that she had a bad 1st molar. the procureress protests (in italian) that such a pretty girlie! nobody even noticed!
1236033;1439391860;mircea_popescu;the real dynamic there is that the dudes are so fucking scared of actual womanhood they desperately seek, and for their sins find, an escape path.
1236034;1439392020;phf;oh i thought it's a control fantasy, a bureaucrat who imagines himself a sultan will necessarily act a bureaucrat in that role
1236035;1439392049;mircea_popescu;i do not believe so.
1236036;1439392204;mircea_popescu;for one thing, if it were bureaucracy driven, wouldn't you expect the girl be shot ? the woman dismissed ? some sort of "repercussions" ? "consequences" and whatnot ?
1236037;1439392256;mircea_popescu;a record made of the incident at the very list! what sort of bureaucracy is this.
1236038;1439392405;phf;well, the fantasy is a from the perspective of the bureaucrat himself, so he doesn't necessarily sees the bigger picture like a monarch would, he just does the inspection. record would be required though
1236039;1439392437;mircea_popescu;i don't disagree with the point at all, i just don't think that's what happened there.
1236040;1439392462;phf;right, i've not seen it in a while, so i'm definitely misremembering
1236041;1439392661;*;mircea_popescu remembers the early hopeful days of the chechen republic whatever it was called and that mustacioed fellow whose name, inescapably, came to "joker"
1236042;1439392770;phf;dudayev?
1236043;1439392824;mircea_popescu;aha
1236044;1439392840;mircea_popescu;duda something at any rate.
1236045;1439392854;mircea_popescu;yeah. Dzhokhar Musayevich Dudayev check that out
1236046;1439392905;phf;apparently means "doubt" in spanish, so "doubtson"
1236047;1439392968;mircea_popescu;it also means elderberry in romanian.
1236048;1439393167;kakobrekla;duda < baby pacifier here
1236049;1439393247;phf;duda is a form of bagpipes, though not used in russian much, there's still "dudet'", which is to make a bagpipe sound. someone could work that into him being a blowhard somehow
1236050;1439393387;phf;i started reading orlov with his piece about "everyone should get russian passport and move syberia to survive orks and global warming", i thought that maybe he was one of those slightly misguided older russian expats, so i sent him an email in russian with the general idea of, what about existing power structures there, it's not like moving to alaska, there's not going to be a shortage of local generals interested in hunting out of shape expats
1236051;1439393387;phf; for fun. later i did some research and realized that he's some kind of u.s. aparatchik who spent his 90s in russia
1236052;1439393500;mircea_popescu;lol wut, srsly ?
1236053;1439393514;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is "Everyone" going to do in siberia, upvote the snow ?
1236054;1439393594;shinohai;!b 2
1236055;1439393595;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2N1MEQP.txt )
1236056;1439393623;phf;well, by then, there's not going to be snow, because moderate climate areas are going to be mad max hell holes, where's your siberian mcmansion is only going to appreciate in value
1236057;1439393679;mircea_popescu;yeah, universal literacy totally was a good idea, i see it now.
1236058;1439393715;mats;http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/towards-a-new-model-of-computational-expressiveness
1236059;1439393716;assbot;Jacob Torrey - Towards a new model of computational expressiveness ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5Rl91 )
1236060;1439393812;mircea_popescu;"A Crypto Trick That Makes Software Nearly Impossible to Reverse"
1236061;1439393859;*;mircea_popescu is not particularly impressed with this recently discovered pop-crypto celeb. srsly, this is it, people stopped giving a shit about "music" so mpaa may die, but there's going to be a naa creating "crypto popstars" instead ? 
1236062;1439393874;*;mircea_popescu is further unimpressed with "Since joining the cult of LangSec, I've spent a great deal of time pondering" intros.
1236063;1439393883;mircea_popescu;my chair has spent a great deal of time pondering my ass.
1236064;1439393938;phf;(there's a 90s russian commedy, дмб, about a bunch of hapless army conscripts. at some point they are supposed to provide entertainment for generals, in some total buttfuck nowhere location. one of the activities is pig hunting, they release a pig, and the general goes after it. so of course the pig gets eaten by one of the hungry conscripts, and he has to pretend to be a pig running through fields. i can't help but think about orlov's boomer
1236065;1439393938;phf;s setting up base somewhere in that location)
1236066;1439393944;mircea_popescu;"The divergence between the theoretical Turing machines and the machines designed to emulate has grown significantly; most of the "work" modern computers (including mobile devices, etc.) perform is not computation oriented as it was with a Turing machine. Today networking, graphics/audio and interaction with the physical world (SCADA, wearables, etc.) have become the key features that the industry is working on improvi
1236067;1439393944;mircea_popescu;ng, not the emulation gap between modern CPUs and a theoretical Turing machine."
1236068;1439393950;mircea_popescu;whjat the fuck is this. please explain it to me.
1236069;1439393958;mircea_popescu;not computational oriented ?
1236070;1439394118;mircea_popescu;current computer science favours the speed of light over other speeds "much more important to "us"". it is a serious fucking problem for usg/nsa/alphabetsoup that there still exist people who even vaguely understand what this shit even is, because even one in a million that can make actual decisions based on actual facts when that asshole asciilifeform publishes things about pgp keys or that asshole mircea_popescu thre
1236071;1439394118;mircea_popescu;atens "bitcoin improvement" prgrammes is way too much.
1236072;1439394128;mircea_popescu;heck, given the shape they're in, one in a billion may be excessive.
1236073;1439394186;mircea_popescu;now my question to you, mats, becomes : what's this to you ? does the apparent novelty catch your eye ? or wut ?
1236074;1439394229;phf;this must be a puton, his twitter says "Described by @wireheadlance as the Anthony Bourdain of InfoSec"
1236075;1439394256;mats;i get the sense that he's on to something but lacks the ability to clearly describe it
1236076;1439394270;mircea_popescu;now this may be.
1236077;1439394294;mats;like he's attempting to improve upon the 'chomsky hierarchy'
1236078;1439394295;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is anthony bourdain
1236079;1439394306;mircea_popescu;and omfg the x of y enough already god damned pigdinheads
1236080;1439394343;mircea_popescu;mats there's certainly a difference between brainfuck and c++ programs that's driven by difference between actual brainfuck and c++. what exactly it is, tho...
1236081;1439394408;mircea_popescu;"But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
1236082;1439394413;mircea_popescu;THEY WERE NOT EVEN NAKED!
1236083;1439394455;mircea_popescu;see phf, men are deeply afraid of women. especially the men that never killed anyone for the simple aesthetic pleasure of taking a life.
1236084;1439394728;mircea_popescu;s/orlov/orwell/ heh
1236085;1439395418;phf;that's kind of an obvious point to a nerd boy, i thought the solution always was "stop being such a little shit", not "let's change everyone around me so i finally don't feel inadequate"
1236086;1439395549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5798 @ 0.00059228 = 3.434 BTC [-]
1236087;1439395698;phf;(the pig scene, for the curious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmy07aO10qM&t=2m18s)
1236088;1439395699;assbot;ДМБ часть 8/9 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqvzKl )
1236089;1439395886;jurov;siberia is good for hiding, i guess... not in mcmansion, tho
1236090;1439395987;jurov;novosibirsk is on same latitude than denmark.. just that swings between -40 +40C in the year
1236091;1439395996;jurov;*temperature
1236092;1439396159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00060993 = 20.2802 BTC [+]
1236093;1439397085;phf;the heat in novosibirsk like in all russian cities is provided through pipes in a form of a compressed steam and hot water from a ТЭЦ. (a major difference between eastern europe and the states). if ТЭЦ fails, novosibirsk turns into a ice coffin, on account of all the concrete box construction. that actually happened in the past for short periods of time (like a week or two) and it's usually a major humanitarian disaster. we don't even know
1236094;1439397085;phf; precisely how many people died in remote locations like that during the 90s as a result of rapid transition from central planning economy to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine". that info might never surface
1236095;1439397614;mircea_popescu;^
1236096;1439397643;mircea_popescu;siberia is to be approached sanely, which is to say, dressed in furs you tanned yourself, with trained dogs and women that are provedly able to live like this.
1236097;1439397648;mircea_popescu;if you can't field this you don't belong there.
1236098;1439397673;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1236099;1439397696;ascii_field;'Jacob Torrey – Cyber-security Philosopher and Boffin' << to the furnace
1236100;1439397698;ascii_field;plz.
1236101;1439397709;jurov;no need for furs... just get some 10mm polystyrene from china
1236102;1439397719;mircea_popescu;it doesn't grow on trees.
1236103;1439397730;jurov;trade for oil, praps?
1236104;1439397733;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236060 << recent trend in u.s. academitardia,
1236105;1439397733;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 15:36:52; mircea_popescu: "A Crypto Trick That Makes Software Nearly Impossible to Reverse"
1236106;1439397736;ascii_field;!s homomorphic
1236107;1439397737;assbot;24 results for 'homomorphic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=homomorphic
1236108;1439397741;ascii_field;^ them
1236109;1439397747;mircea_popescu;how about you go live in china, then, if your plan is to put your life on a foundation of trade with china ?
1236110;1439397752;jurov;100mm i mean
1236111;1439397753;ascii_field;pseudomathematical claptrap.
1236112;1439397760;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "trick" "recent" blabla.
1236113;1439397765;jurov;gotta trade with somebody
1236114;1439397776;ascii_field;'learn the trick reverse engineers hate!!11'
1236115;1439397784;mircea_popescu;HERE IS THE RECENT TRICK THAT B-A REALLY HATES. HOW AN UNEMPLOYED TWERP MADE IMPOSSIBLE TO SOFTWARE.
1236116;1439397806;mircea_popescu;jurov if "gotta trade with somebody" is your premise, go to new york, and be a jew.
1236117;1439397855;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236081 << orwell
1236118;1439397855;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 15:46:48; mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
1236119;1439397858;ascii_field;it was orwell.
1236120;1439397859;jurov;but what i wanted to say... our block got just 70mm insulation and whole damn thing heats itself by used electricity and body heat alone, i have cold radiator at -20 outside
1236121;1439397877;ascii_field;ok its in the logz
1236122;1439397912;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. that stuff works.
1236123;1439397924;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236094 << orlov devoted a whole chapter to this, for english readers
1236124;1439397924;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 16:31:25; phf:  precisely how many people died in remote locations like that during the 90s as a result of rapid transition from central planning economy to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine". that info might never surface
1236125;1439397926;mircea_popescu;romania got covered in them too.
1236126;1439397964;mircea_popescu;of course... once they age they'll be the best cockroach house any cockroach could dream for.
1236127;1439397979;mircea_popescu;but let's not talk of "20 years later". not on the internet, of all places.
1236128;1439397993;jurov;heh yes, will be funny to see how good is the "lifetime warranty" for
1236129;1439398018;jurov;but whole blocks are mostly in half of their 70y projected lifetime
1236130;1439398033;mircea_popescu;better'd be to see who hanged for the fact that prefab production wasn't transitioned to "sandwiched prefab with styofoam". in like, 1992.
1236131;1439398157;jurov;what? whole prefab concrete thing stopped by 1992
1236132;1439398163;mircea_popescu;right.
1236133;1439398354;jurov;and yes, it took another 10y for insulation to start seriously
1236134;1439398510;phf;jurov: theoretical potential is not the problem. what i'm saying is that there's existing "flora and fauna" that you're going to run into pretty fast. local деревенские "people from the village", police, military divisions that for all practical purposes own the locations principality style and don't need to "trade" in order to get guns, cars and supplies. for some reason that sort of fantasies don't usually go "let's build a dream su
1236135;1439398510;phf;rvivalist spot in Tamaulipas"
1236136;1439398604;jurov;ofc, not for everyone
1236137;1439398638;*;mircea_popescu has actually visited tamaulipas.
1236138;1439398660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00059574 = 15.102 BTC [-] {2} 
1236139;1439398705;ascii_field;in all fairness, orlov never advocated 'let's all you plankton move to x and colonize'
1236140;1439398734;mircea_popescu;the only places plankton can colonize are the uk, france, etc.
1236141;1439399000;jurov;i heard some stories that brasilia is okay
1236142;1439399020;jurov;too
1236143;1439399168;ascii_field;for plankton, anywhere is ok until... not
1236144;1439399281;mircea_popescu;but fungus only grows on corpses.
1236145;1439399287;mircea_popescu;it is true that spores go everywhere, yes.
1236146;1439399361;mats;Torrey's research is actually interesting, if you'd take the time to read it instead of the Wired write up...
1236147;1439399420;ascii_field;mats: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481151
1236148;1439399420;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
1236149;1439399421;*;mircea_popescu has dutifully read what mats linked.
1236150;1439399453;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481175
1236151;1439399453;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
1236152;1439399488;punkman;jurov: how does that insulation work out in the summer btw?
1236153;1439399518;jurov;it heats up slower... but also slower to cool down
1236154;1439399713;mircea_popescu;James Burnham's theory has been much discussed, but few people have yet considered its ideological implications�that is, the kind of world-view, the kind of beliefs, and the social structure that would probably prevail in a state which was at once UNCONQUERABLE and in a permanent state of 'cold war' with its neighbors.
1236155;1439399724;mircea_popescu;i don't think orwell is properly credited with the invention of this term ?
1236156;1439399733;mircea_popescu;didn't churchill in fact use it latert than 1945 ?
1236157;1439399807;mircea_popescu;http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bernard-baruch-coins-the-term-cold-war
1236158;1439399809;assbot;Bernard Baruch coins the term “Cold War” - Apr 16, 1947 - HISTORY.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU0oIG )
1236159;1439399812;mircea_popescu;list of things to never trust :
1236160;1439399826;mircea_popescu;1. the consensus of the people ; 2. the internet ; 3. the consensus of people on the internet.
1236161;1439399839;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1236162;1439399842;ascii_field;iirc orwell - cold war.
1236163;1439399847;ascii_field;and not some schmuck.
1236164;1439399871;mircea_popescu;;;google who coined the term "cold war"
1236165;1439399871;gribble;Bernard Baruch coins the term “Cold War” - Apr 16, 1947 - HISTORY ...: <http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bernard-baruch-coins-the-term-cold-war>; Cold War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War>; Cold war (general term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_war_(general_term)>
1236166;1439399950;mircea_popescu;"philantropist and financier"
1236167;1439399954;mircea_popescu;as if this is how it works nao.
1236168;1439399998;mircea_popescu;Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to put an end to large-
1236169;1439399998;mircea_popescu;scale wars at the cost of prolonging indefinitely a 'peace that is no peace'.
1236170;1439400018;ascii_field;!s you and the atomic bomb
1236171;1439400019;assbot;14 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb
1236172;1439400025;ascii_field;^ many threadz
1236173;1439400039;mircea_popescu;aha
1236174;1439400415;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481175 << you may be right. regardless, 'HARES' is pretty cool.
1236175;1439400415;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
1236176;1439400511;mats;http://jacobtorrey.com/HARES-WP.pdf << white paper for interested folks. only available in pdf, unfortunately
1236177;1439400514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU16FM )
1236178;1439400514;ascii_field;'cool' in precisely the same sense as the bomb collars
1236179;1439400518;ascii_field;on ~other people~ strictly.
1236180;1439400692;mircea_popescu;my perception of "secured computing", for what it's worth (perhaps not much) is that it's very much akin to clothing. sure, it "protects the body". yet one generally wishes for the sort of house that allows, and that's populated by the sort of women that don't particularly need that protection.
1236181;1439400726;mircea_popescu;that munroe character makes the same point with schoolchildren, schoolmasters and condoms, but i have no taste for it.
1236182;1439400752;mircea_popescu;so : yes, great, for outside. not the chief point of computing in any sense.
1236183;1439400811;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 'homomorphic' shit is strictly for 'secure against owner'
1236184;1439400820;mircea_popescu;"I think it is worth recording what some of them cost, just to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest them in something that grows.I think it is worth recording what some of them cost, just to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest them in something that grows. [...] Between them, in nine years, those seven rose bushes will have given what would add up to a hundred or a hundred and fif
1236185;1439400820;mircea_popescu;ty months of bloom" << epic. in the same article he complains about someone complaining about roses being bourgeois.
1236186;1439400826;mircea_popescu;guy's fuckin' delicious already
1236187;1439400864;mircea_popescu;ascii_field looky, there's some value into getting better control of the "owners" of zombie computers.
1236188;1439400880;*;mircea_popescu is kind of sick paying "datacenters" for hosting, i'd much rather pay "criminals".
1236189;1439400904;*;ascii_field not following how this relates
1236190;1439400925;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you don't imagine the stuff won't be hacked, right ?
1236191;1439400942;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which 'stuff'
1236192;1439400946;mircea_popescu;let the good people of jwz nation run "secure" "homowhatever" computers.
1236193;1439400955;mircea_popescu;so i can run trilema off of them and there's nothing they can do about it.
1236194;1439401006;ascii_field;the (largely lysenkoine and fraudulent, but bear with me) promise of 'homomorphic' is that you can, ostensibly, make a circuit where determining function is similar to breaking rsa
1236195;1439401022;mircea_popescu;aha.
1236196;1439401033;ascii_field;trivial example being paillier's algo
1236197;1439401055;mircea_popescu;in your mind this means "i won't be able to tell if nsa is running X on my computer". in my mind, this means "nsa won't be able to tell if i'm running trilema off obama's computer".
1236198;1439401064;mircea_popescu;technology has no particular social value.
1236199;1439401079;ascii_field;except nsa ~can~
1236200;1439401087;mircea_popescu;or so it ~thinks~.
1236201;1439401088;ascii_field;on account of the whole thing being a 'weak keys' crock of shit
1236202;1439401097;mircea_popescu;ideally.
1236203;1439401099;ascii_field;like (potentially) aes.
1236204;1439401100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00059837 = 7.4796 BTC [+]
1236205;1439401105;mircea_popescu;these things never work the way one hopes they will.
1236206;1439401172;mircea_popescu;but yes, you're broadly correct in suspecting that past this general, "managerial" intuition i lack any actual idea of how it'd work out in practice.
1236207;1439401209;mircea_popescu;so it can directly be dismissed if one's inclined to dismiss on such grounds.
1236208;1439401262;ascii_field;anyway this would be more interesting if 'homomorphic crypto' weren't a sc4m
1236209;1439401275;ascii_field;(see also, for similar lulz, 'whitebox cryptography')
1236210;1439401427;mircea_popescu;http://www.safenet-inc.com/software-monetization/white-box-cryptography/ :)
1236211;1439401430;assbot;White Box Cryptography | Software Monetization Solutions | SafeNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU29p5 )
1236212;1439401445;mircea_popescu;anyway, icesomething or the other is making a pretty penny out of obfuscating and bytecoding php
1236213;1439401449;mircea_popescu;or was, at some point
1236214;1439401501;ascii_field;understand the (claimed!) difference
1236215;1439401507;ascii_field;protocol vs promise (tm)
1236216;1439401798;mircea_popescu;"Fourthly, the tea should be strong. For a pot holding a quart, if you are going to fill it nearly to the brim, six heaped teaspoons would be about right."
1236217;1439401804;mircea_popescu;holy shit, the brits actually ate tea stu ?!
1236218;1439401963;mats;pronto> https://github.com/Uberroot/tsteg-poc << 'A steganography PoC demonstrating encoding via transmission delays'
1236219;1439401964;assbot;Uberroot/tsteg-poc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU2Yyh )
1236220;1439402000;mats;pronto's a fella on freenode.
1236221;1439402020;mats;(poor copy+paste on my part)
1236222;1439402053;mircea_popescu;one of the best places for stego i can think of.
1236223;1439404577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00061232 = 17.298 BTC [+] {2} 
1236224;1439405830;mats;in the parlance, 'HARES' is not so much as a 'crypter' than a 'packer'.
1236225;1439405966;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1236226;1439406001;ascii_field;mats: i read the paper.  it's a crock of shit. why does this fella assume that no one can run his process under cycle-accurate emulation ?
1236227;1439406014;ascii_field;plenty of talk of 'protecting the key: erase from caches' etc
1236228;1439406036;mats;ask him. or i can do so on your behalf. he's on freenode
1236229;1439406055;mats;'sirnarwhal'
1236230;1439406059;ascii_field;i'm not mpoe-pr and don't engage with sc4mz0rz recreationally
1236231;1439406072;ascii_field;but i do earn a living demolishing idiocy quite like what was described, yes.
1236232;1439406120;ascii_field;(not publicly, because - why?)
1236233;1439406167;mats;do you have a link to a paper to what was mentioned here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235493 ? having a hard time with the googles
1236234;1439406167;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 02:18:54; asciilifeform: mats: iirc inria had a cycle-and-cache-accurate x86 emulator. might be up your alley.
1236235;1439406184;ascii_field;it wasn't a paper, but a downloadable source thing
1236236;1439406205;ascii_field;http://marss86.org/~marss86/index.php/Home << wasn't inria. go figure
1236237;1439406206;assbot;Marss86 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaF0jk )
1236238;1439406208;ascii_field;but ^
1236239;1439406221;mats;ok
1236240;1439406223;*;ascii_field has not tried personally
1236241;1439406273;ascii_field;the gold standard for this kind of work is instrumented hardware
1236242;1439406277;ascii_field;but this costs.
1236243;1439406393;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236222 << not a bad way to transmit ephemeral (session) keys
1236244;1439406393;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 17:54:13; mircea_popescu: one of the best places for stego i can think of.
1236245;1439406822;mats;ascii_field: he asserts that 'massr86' uses a VMM, which would be detected
1236246;1439406840;ascii_field;not according to the docs
1236247;1439406847;ascii_field;claims proper (100% userland) emu
1236248;1439406862;ascii_field;sorta like the uniquitous qemu
1236249;1439406870;ascii_field;but i have not tried it. no need.
1236250;1439406895;mats;guy's not a scammer as far as i can tell, and you do a disservice to folks (and yourself) by coming to judgment so quickly
1236251;1439406909;ascii_field;seems like he's already told one lie
1236252;1439407021;ascii_field;according to the docs, thing is built on qemu. with none of the 'accelarator' crud that used kernel mods.
1236253;1439407025;ascii_field;ergo, no vmm.
1236254;1439407060;ascii_field;but, again, this is a cheapo 90% solution for poor folks.
1236255;1439407143;mats;wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake
1236256;1439407146;ascii_field;(typically malware folks try to detect emulators by looking for well-known imperfections - if operator is an idiot, these will be found - or for external time base, which can set off a trap if machine appears to be uncommonly slow by wall clock time.)
1236257;1439407179;ascii_field;but all of this is well-known.
1236258;1439407324;ascii_field;the thing about the 'hares' fella is that he is a textbook case of 'but terrorists wouldn't DO that!!111'
1236259;1439407399;ascii_field;as in, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756107 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756108
1236260;1439407399;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:27; asciilifeform: one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives!
1236261;1439407399;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.
1236262;1439407505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00061257 = 10.0461 BTC [+] {4} 
1236263;1439407561;punkman;ascii_field: but they do run windows
1236264;1439407597;ascii_field;punkman: the goat-fucking ones - sure
1236265;1439407650;punkman;ascii_field, someone has to pick the low hanging fruit, no?
1236266;1439407755;trinque;punkman: why pick anything but?
1236267;1439407760;mats;i'm rapidly tiring of being a relay, but: he says that intel's 'trusted execution technology' wouldn't work with marss86, and you'd also have to have the key to provision marss
1236268;1439407773;ascii_field;aha so relies on fritz chip.
1236269;1439407790;punkman;works on AMD as well right?
1236270;1439407801;ascii_field;which there is no mention of in the paper.
1236271;1439407828;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1236272;1439407831;mats;so there's no attack here.
1236273;1439407852;punkman;http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/hares-faq  he does acknowledge both instrumented hardware and emulation as problems
1236274;1439407853;assbot;Jacob Torrey - HARES FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaIaDI )
1236275;1439407987;ascii_field;boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip (and yes, i will keep calling it that, because the motherfuckers don't get to pretend that fritz, palladium, etc. never happened.)
1236276;1439408115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00061258 = 4.7781 BTC [+]
1236277;1439408150;ascii_field;generally, folks who are obsessed with 'someone may steal my magic algo!!111!!!!' ship the whole shebang on fpga with config in sram, backed with watch battery;
1236278;1439408173;ascii_field;and this is often gnarly and expensive to reverse, because it's on fpga, yes, and might need 500 units to destroy
1236279;1439408205;ascii_field;but the saving grace is that in 100% of such cases, the 'intellectual propertyyyyy!111!' holder is a twerp, and cheaper to give one of his employees a candy bar
1236280;1439408284;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043647
1236281;1439408284;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:21; mircea_popescu: here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints.
1236282;1439408318;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236270 << s4.3.3
1236283;1439408318;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 19:30:01; ascii_field: which there is no mention of in the paper.
1236284;1439408351;ascii_field;ty mats, found it
1236285;1439408377;ascii_field;aha, then relies 100% on fritz chip.
1236286;1439408421;ascii_field;i never understood how anyone could ever be so gullible as to believe that 'remote attestation chip' could be a thing
1236287;1439408448;punkman;http://en.people.cn/200505/24/images/0523_B38.jpg
1236288;1439408449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PloM6e )
1236289;1439408464;ascii_field;let's say it sits on the bus and refuses to decrypt magic blob unless it thinks hash(ram) == H
1236290;1439408482;mats;he is quite clear about what it can and can't do, no dishonesty as far as i can tell
1236291;1439408489;ascii_field;what's to keep me from sitting it down on one bus where ram hashes to H, then it spits key, and i sit it back down on another.
1236292;1439408499;ascii_field;every other clock cycle if i want.
1236293;1439408637;ascii_field;the best scam is the kind where the scammitude is implicit
1236294;1439408648;ascii_field;and baked into an orchestra of 'no one could have foreseen's
1236295;1439408658;ascii_field;and 't3rror1sts would never do!!! x'-es
1236296;1439408742;ascii_field;incidentally, the only reason fritz chip was not pushed more aggressively is that it was really intended to prohibit linux
1236297;1439408750;ascii_field;but the latter succumbed to its own weight
1236298;1439408758;ascii_field;and so the bullet was deemed unnecessary
1236299;1439408846;ascii_field;fwiw, i always thought the idea of a copyprotection dongle that tries to take over the whole machine was quite lulzy.
1236300;1439408955;ascii_field;i mean, it's one thing to consider a whole computer in a safe which sets off built-in nuke if anyone so much as scratches the door
1236301;1439408969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00060176 = 16.6688 BTC [-]
1236302;1439408994;ascii_field;it's quite another to propose that this can be a little pc peripheral turd that i can get 10,000 of and somehow still not crack
1236303;1439409640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00061099 = 11.7921 BTC [+]
1236304;1439412643;jurov;davout, x.eur liquidity
1236305;1439412717;jurov;not that i complain.. needed some fiat :D
1236306;1439413362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19899 @ 0.00061257 = 12.1895 BTC [+] {2} 
1236307;1439413786;mircea_popescu;<mats> wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake <<< it's a very interesting point as to how do you establish this ?
1236308;1439413794;mircea_popescu;not even necessary in the case at hand, but as a general rule.
1236309;1439413833;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1236310;1439413847;ascii_field;see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014374
1236311;1439413847;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
1236312;1439413896;mircea_popescu;<mats> i'm rapidly tiring of being a relay << why's the guy not come over anyway ? well... i guess the answer's actually obvious huh. nm.
1236313;1439413919;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's still an interesting problem, even if not necessarily of practical consequence.
1236314;1439413927;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the interesting problem of "detecting emulator"
1236315;1439413931;ascii_field;sure is.
1236316;1439413938;mircea_popescu;it can readily be shown riguroulsy that this is impossible iun the general case
1236317;1439413941;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
1236318;1439413949;mircea_popescu;a good steak is also impossible i nthe general case.
1236319;1439413960;ascii_field;kinda one of the reasons wot is a thing
1236320;1439413979;ascii_field;for answers to questions that don't have rigorous answers, but must be answered.
1236321;1439414006;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1236322;1439414103;ascii_field;!gettrust sirnarwhal
1236323;1439414103;assbot;ascii_field and sirnarwhal are not registered in WoT.
1236324;1439414125;asciilifeform;!gettrust sirnarwhal
1236325;1439414125;assbot;sirnarwhal is not registered in WoT.
1236326;1439414136;ascii_field;aaand we answered it.
1236327;1439414142;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip << the reason they don't call it that is because they are trying to avoid the literature documenting the costs of making it hard and the limitation its softness imposes.
1236328;1439414175;ascii_field;see log, also, for why the approach where the whole computer is not inside the fritz is laughable on its face
1236329;1439414191;ascii_field;(regardless of what the fritz is made of)
1236330;1439414276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00061713 = 54.2766 BTC [+] {6} 
1236331;1439414299;mircea_popescu;ascii_field incidentally, it's funny to consider the relations between "remote attestation" and hock or w/e the thing was called
1236332;1439414303;mircea_popescu;urbit ?
1236333;1439414322;ascii_field;no direct relation afaik
1236334;1439414342;ascii_field;mr mold doesn't do hardware
1236335;1439414352;ascii_field;(i asked him)
1236336;1439414513;mircea_popescu;but it does rely on "outside primitives" right ?
1236337;1439414519;ascii_field;(for n00bz: 'remote attestation' is this crackpot concept where usg has permanent root (yes) on 'your' computer, and uses it to verify that you aren't, e.g., running illegal linux)
1236338;1439414529;mircea_popescu;not sure how to best convey this as the guy's terminology is a sort of pigdin latin numerals.
1236339;1439414533;mircea_popescu;very poor.
1236340;1439414538;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: relies on an interpreter he wrote in c
1236341;1439414544;mircea_popescu;nevertheless : he has this idea that you can nono.
1236342;1439414549;mircea_popescu;i mean the wtf he called them
1236343;1439414551;mircea_popescu;the turbines
1236344;1439414552;ascii_field;jets
1236345;1439414554;mircea_popescu;aha!
1236346;1439414562;mircea_popescu;so : those could as well be the remote part of a fritz chip
1236347;1439414578;mircea_popescu;in a sense they always are : they verify at the minimum that math is homogenous in the universe.
1236348;1439414590;mircea_popescu;(an untested assumption i might add)
1236349;1439414592;ascii_field;a falling brick does that.
1236350;1439414601;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1236351;1439414609;mircea_popescu;or pulsar, as the case may be, same principle.
1236352;1439414624;ascii_field;actually an electron in free space brings in most of known maths
1236353;1439414639;mircea_popescu;enough to prima facie anyway
1236354;1439414817;shinohai;Lovely, lovely Lenovo: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693&sid=ddf3e32512932172454de515091db014#p29497693
1236355;1439414819;assbot;Lenovo G50-80 dialog box - Ars Technica OpenForum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JduFTZ )
1236356;1439414944;mircea_popescu;"Trusted Platform Module From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  (Redirected from Fritz-chip) Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is an international standard for a secure cryptoprocessor,"
1236357;1439414950;mircea_popescu;international things are better right ?
1236358;1439415045;ascii_field;;;google NovoSecEngine2
1236359;1439415046;gribble;Lenovo G50-80 dialog box - Ars Technica OpenForum: <http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693>; Lenovo is shipping a rootkit in their BIOS...…: <https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/CbGFCRRAwHY>; Kristian Köhntopp - Google+: <https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp>
1236360;1439415059;*;ascii_field got ~5 results
1236361;1439415065;ascii_field;evidently 'this never happened, move along'
1236362;1439415073;ascii_field;oh and Run Moar Winblowz !!
1236363;1439415191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33535 @ 0.00060287 = 20.2172 BTC [-] {2} 
1236364;1439415580;ascii_field;'Before booting windows 7 or 8, the bios checks if C:\Windows\system32\autochk.exe is the Lenovo one or the original Microsoft one. If it is not the lenovo one, it moves it to C:\Windows\system32\0409\zz_sec\autobin.exe, and then writes it's own autochk.exe. During boot, the Lenovo autochk.exe writes a LenovoUpdate.exe and a LenovoCheck.exe file to the system32 directory, and sets up a services to run one of them when an
1236365;1439415581;ascii_field;internet connection is established. I don't know too much exactly what those do, but one appears to phone home to http://download.lenovo.com/ideapad/wind ... 2_oko.json which is a bit worrying with the combination of a "ForceUpdate" parameter shown and the lack of ssl, making it fairly likely that it's exploitable for remote code execution by anyone who can intercept your traffic(public wifi, etc).'
1236366;1439415584;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdwSyJ )
1236367;1439415588;ascii_field;^ lulzy, quoted for the record.
1236368;1439415611;ascii_field;btw this is precisely how the well-known 'computrace' works.
1236369;1439415687;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1236370;1439415692;ascii_field;moar gold:
1236371;1439415702;ascii_field;'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx file) and in a random
1236372;1439415702;ascii_field;Chinese forum (in Chinese, which I can't read, but it seemed to be about Lenovo). In the end it did the exact same thing that the autochk.exe method (under Windows 7) does (loads LenovoUpdate.exe, installs a service, etc), except you get a cryptic entry in your System Log: "A platform binary was successfully executed."'
1236373;1439416897;mircea_popescu;herp
1236374;1439416996;Adlai;derp
1236375;1439417011;mircea_popescu;The books that I have counted and priced are the ones I have here, in my flat. I have about an equal number stored in another place, so that I shall double the final figure in order to arrive at the complete amount. I have not counted oddments such as proof copies, defaced volumes, cheap paper-covered editions, pamphlets, or magazines, unless bound up into book form. Nor have I counted the kind of junky books-old schoo
1236376;1439417011;mircea_popescu;l text-books and so forth�that accumulate in the bottoms of cupboards. I have counted only those books which I have acquired voluntarily, or else would have acquired voluntarily, and which I intend to keep. In this category I find that I have 442 books, acquired in the following ways:
1236377;1439417012;mircea_popescu;holy shit.
1236378;1439417029;mircea_popescu;i owned > 10k volumes before getting rid of the lot, as a 20yo man.
1236379;1439417042;mircea_popescu;what the fuck "i own 442 books" what is this!
1236380;1439417053;ascii_field;in those days, they cost money
1236381;1439417060;mircea_popescu;they cost money in all days.
1236382;1439417065;ascii_field;today even a schmuck like me has tens of thou
1236383;1439417071;mircea_popescu;quote : "You don't suppose we read that stuff, do you? Why, half the time you're talking about books that cost twelve and sixpence!"
1236384;1439417079;mircea_popescu;twelve and sixpence is about 20 dollars in today's money.
1236385;1439417081;Adlai;dunno, growing up in an apartment full of books is kinda good
1236386;1439417095;Adlai;but i guess you're not growing up a kid
1236387;1439417100;ascii_field;aha my father had pretty much no exposed wall at all
1236388;1439417102;ascii_field;just book
1236389;1439417105;ascii_field;wall-to-wall.
1236390;1439417105;mircea_popescu;same.
1236391;1439417108;Adlai;ed zackary
1236392;1439417114;mircea_popescu;how ELSE are you going to furnish a house ?
1236393;1439417119;Adlai;pianos1
1236394;1439417120;ascii_field;ikr?
1236395;1439417122;mircea_popescu;it's not like it's blue collar shelter.
1236396;1439417130;Adlai;s/1/!/
1236397;1439417147;*;mircea_popescu sadly never thought to take pictures of the thing itself, all he has is various nude girlies in front of bookwalls.
1236398;1439417165;ascii_field;i have more or less solid wall-to-wall now.
1236399;1439417166;Adlai;but a single piano is more expensive than most book collections
1236400;1439417170;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, more interested in the books than in the girls, coupla decades later.
1236401;1439417192;mircea_popescu;Adlai a good one, easily.
1236402;1439417197;Adlai;what's odd about that
1236403;1439417216;Adlai;s/what/nothing/
1236404;1439417246;Adlai;a good piano is worth its weight in divorce lawyers
1236405;1439417250;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "biblioteca de arta" collection was easily 500 volumes. it mostly dealt with cultural anthropology, aesthetics and such. tiny fraction of a fucking library seriously
1236406;1439417272;mircea_popescu;Adlai at the time it seemed the other way.
1236407;1439417332;Adlai;https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7142
1236408;1439417334;assbot;Quote by Leo Tolstoy  : “All happy families are alike; each unhappy fami...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDxM9I )
1236409;1439417347;mircea_popescu;lol
1236410;1439417385;ascii_field;obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-07-2015#1195804
1236411;1439417385;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 22:21:02; asciilifeform: those aren't naggum's books!
1236412;1439417386;Adlai;ultimately sentiment trumps
1236413;1439417399;Adlai;yeah but naggum was dead
1236414;1439417414;Adlai;and couldn'tc speak for which books were his, and which weren't
1236415;1439417414;ascii_field;(old thread, re: when i discovered that some derp posted a fake (!) 'naggum's books' list in place of real one)
1236416;1439417437;Adlai;divorce is generally a much more lively affair, due to involvement of the living
1236417;1439417438;ascii_field;the original was posted shortly after his death. i have a copy.
1236418;1439417477;mircea_popescu;"Twenty-five pounds a year sounds quite a lot until you begin to measure it against other kinds of expenditure. It is nearly 9s. 9d. a week, and at present 9s. 9d. is the equivalent of about 83 cigarettes (Players): even before the war it would have bought you less than 200 cigarettes. With prices as they now are, I am spending far more on tobacco than I do on books. I smoke six ounces a week, at half-a-crown an ounce,
1236419;1439417477;mircea_popescu; making nearly �40 a year. Even before the war when the same tobacco cost 8d. an ounce, I was spending over �10 a year on it"
1236420;1439417480;mircea_popescu;there you have it.
1236421;1439417492;mircea_popescu;i don't think i smoked enough to pay for a decent book in those tobacco prices.
1236422;1439417501;Adlai;you smoked!?
1236423;1439417506;*;Adlai sells all his S.MPOE
1236424;1439417507;mircea_popescu;i still do, on occasion.
1236425;1439417514;Adlai;!up ascii_field
1236426;1439417530;Adlai;fyi smoke is carcinogenic
1236427;1439417553;mircea_popescu;but i doubt i actually went through a pound yet.
1236428;1439417563;mircea_popescu;much lagging behind his half pound weekly.
1236429;1439417570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00059839 = 16.2762 BTC [-]
1236430;1439417575;Adlai;why smoke
1236431;1439417581;Adlai;flowers are too beautiful to burn
1236432;1439417592;Adlai;and burning leaves is just... heathen
1236433;1439417596;mircea_popescu;...
1236434;1439417604;mircea_popescu;what do you do with leaves, eat them ?
1236435;1439417640;Adlai;http://ottsonic.fanbridge.com/fan_questions/q/1090838
1236436;1439417642;assbot;Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDynYZ )
1236437;1439417668;*;Adlai quotes the answer, for logs: "Nope. Smoking is foolish in an age when vapourising technology is so evolved and readily available."
1236438;1439417671;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236307 << context, of course. in this particular case, he addressed the issue of VMM being detected by the loader as indicated in s4.3.4
1236439;1439417671;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 21:09:46; mircea_popescu: <mats> wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake <<< it's a very interesting point as to how do you establish this ?
1236440;1439417793;Adlai;"i don't think i smoked enough to pay for a decent book" << as though books are priced by content and not... who knows
1236441;1439417803;mircea_popescu;"I have said enough to show that reading is one of the cheaper recreations: after listening to the radio probably THE cheapest."
1236442;1439417814;mircea_popescu;then he wonders why it went to shit.
1236443;1439417827;mircea_popescu;no human activity ever survived and very few have recovered from the mass of people taking an interest.
1236444;1439417840;mircea_popescu;and the mass of people take an interest once the poor activity becomes the cheapest in a class.
1236445;1439417841;Adlai;last price i heard quoted for books was "50% of the price you bought'em, if they came from this shop"
1236446;1439417888;mircea_popescu;"Meanwhile, what is the actual amount that the British public spends on books? I cannot discover any figures, though no doubt they exist. But I do know that before the war this country was publishing annually about 15,000 books, which included reprints and school books. If as many as 10,000 copies of each book were sold�and even allowing for the school books, this is probably a high estimate-the average person was on
1236447;1439417888;mircea_popescu;ly buying, directly or indirectly, about three books a year. These three books taken together might cost �1, or probably less."
1236448;1439417904;Adlai;why reprint books
1236449;1439417910;Adlai;there is literally zero need for that
1236450;1439417915;Adlai;plenty of excellent books ROT on shelves
1236451;1439417919;mircea_popescu;how else are you going to read the old ones ?
1236452;1439417935;Adlai;pay the bag^H^Hookholders a little premium
1236453;1439417997;mircea_popescu;if i ever want to buy a bible, i do not wish to buy a soggy dog eared piece of composted toilet paper ensmeared with the biological refuse of five generations of idiots of the sort that'd misread a bible.
1236454;1439418023;Adlai;well that's why book buying needs a wot just as much as pretty much anything else
1236455;1439418039;Adlai;you think i throw my books out the window? no, they go to trusted friends
1236456;1439418058;Adlai;(go, not "are lent to")
1236457;1439418093;mircea_popescu;women, also ?
1236458;1439418133;Adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b00f45PNTzg
1236459;1439418134;assbot;Never Lend Books - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ml1AoD )
1236460;1439418151;Adlai;women should be neither sold nor lent...
1236461;1439418193;*;mircea_popescu makes note : jews don't keep lent.
1236462;1439418220;mircea_popescu;(and besides, you said yourself : go, not "are lent to")
1236463;1439418220;Adlai;fwiw fasting is an excellent ritual
1236464;1439418251;Adlai;but typically gets grossly mismanaged
1236465;1439418360;*;Adlai is just trying to get more noobs on https://online-go.com/play
1236466;1439418362;assbot;The best place to play go online! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDzzf1 )
1236467;1439418443;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i submit to you that no, not "books cost money". people were just stupider a century ago. quoth http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part37 :
1236468;1439418446;assbot;Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDzJTv )
1236469;1439418450;mircea_popescu;"Three of these books deal with subjects of which he is so ignorant that he will have to read at least 50 pages if he is to avoid making some howler which will betray him not merely to the author (who of course knows all about the habits of book reviewers), but even to the general reader. "
1236470;1439418458;mircea_popescu;i beg your pardon ? i read 50 pages in half hour.
1236471;1439418471;mircea_popescu;i read a million words a day, and have been reading a million words a day each day for years straight.
1236472;1439418476;mircea_popescu;what the fuck already, 50 pages ?
1236473;1439418512;*;Adlai calls bullshit
1236474;1439418518;Adlai;'skim' /= 'read'
1236475;1439418522;mircea_popescu;orly.
1236476;1439418527;Adlai;yarl.
1236477;1439418530;mircea_popescu;read the piece, tell me anything but skim is contemplated.
1236478;1439418564;*;Adlai reserves the right to have called bullshit on orwell rather than our lord mircea
1236479;1439418566;mircea_popescu;then do the math on what 1-2k lines of daily log mean, in words.
1236480;1439418571;mircea_popescu;lol k
1236481;1439418676;mircea_popescu;the last time i encountered humans that balked for hours at reading "at least 50 pages" i was in jr high and the humans in question where the losers in the class.
1236482;1439418688;Adlai;dunno man i'm still working my way through GEB
1236483;1439418692;mircea_popescu;they couldn't get into the highschools, so prepuberty is the last time we met at the table.
1236484;1439418710;Adlai;skimming huge chunks, sure, but there are also interesting bits
1236485;1439418711;mircea_popescu;Adlai the egptyan god ?
1236486;1439418750;Adlai;http://www.physixfan.com/wp-content/files/GEBen.pdf
1236487;1439418769;Adlai;assbot: pls to archive.is
1236488;1439418790;*;Adlai waits
1236489;1439418811;mircea_popescu;the golden braid thing ?
1236490;1439418837;mircea_popescu;my mother got into an episode with that thing once.
1236491;1439418903;Adlai;episode, of what kind?
1236492;1439418960;mircea_popescu;you know, like noob lsd takers ?
1236493;1439418962;ascii_field;mega-b00k
1236494;1439418973;ascii_field;prolly the one i'd like to take to my oubliette
1236495;1439418979;ascii_field;(if they gave books there)
1236496;1439418986;Adlai;aha it has the staniseal of approval
1236497;1439419013;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think they give books more in line with "tehnologia navigatiei cu vele"
1236498;1439419046;Adlai;ascii_field: iiuc sfine, as long as you "declare the pennies on your eyes"
1236499;1439419056;mircea_popescu;(commie romania had weirdo "to buy x you must also buy y" quota system to prop up the central economy. that particular book was outrageous in a country nobodyu owned as much as a raft, let alone yachts. so it became symbolic)
1236500;1439419061;*;ascii_field bbl
1236501;1439419073;Adlai;:(
1236502;1439419095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00061786 = 2.1934 BTC [+]
1236503;1439419142;Adlai;helloe mpoe
1236504;1439419188;Adlai;lsd is kinda like bitcoin
1236505;1439419197;Adlai;you don't know what'll happen, but you know it'll be interesting
1236506;1439419245;mircea_popescu;"The great majority of reviews give an inadequate or misleading account of the book that is dealt with. Since the war publishers have been less able than before to twist the tails of literary editors and evoke a paean of praise for every book that they produce, but on the other hand the standard of reviewing has gone down owing to lack of space and other inconveniences. Seeing the results, people sometimes suggest that
1236507;1439419245;mircea_popescu; the solution lies in getting book reviewing out of the hands of hacks. Books on specialised subjects ought to be dealt with by experts, and on the other hand a good deal of reviewing, especially of novels, might well be done by amateurs. Nearly every book is capable of arousing passionate feeling, if it is only a passionate dislike, in some or other reader, whose ideas about it would surely be worth more than those of
1236508;1439419249;mircea_popescu; a bored professional. But, unfortunately, as every editor knows, that kind of thing is very difficult to organise. In practice the editor always finds himself reverting to his team of hacks�his "regulars", as he calls them."
1236509;1439419253;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they organised it alright
1236510;1439419257;mircea_popescu;it still doesn't work.
1236511;1439419316;Adlai;who organized what
1236512;1439419339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43145 @ 0.00061786 = 26.6576 BTC [+]
1236513;1439419358;Adlai;oh helloe mpoe
1236514;1439419395;mircea_popescu;"the editors" organized "on the other hand a good deal of reviewing, especially of novels, might well be done by amateurs. Nearly every book is capable of arousing passionate feeling, if it is only a passionate dislike, in some or other reader, whose ideas about it would surely be worth more than those of a bored professional"
1236515;1439419419;mircea_popescu;except it turns out that passion only seemed valuable because so rarely encountered from the sort of women these people hung out with (ie, carefully not whores)
1236516;1439419427;mircea_popescu;and so they imagined it's a panacea. which it definitely is not.
1236517;1439419448;mircea_popescu;passion's as good as whoever puts it forth, which means that with most people it has the consistency of puss and the aroma of old faces.
1236518;1439419452;Adlai;obviously someboderp with passionate dislike will write a more impassioned review than one with mildly apathatic approval
1236519;1439419452;mircea_popescu;faeces*
1236520;1439419464;mircea_popescu;which will be a worse read.
1236521;1439419475;Adlai;upon this principle have been built many subbreddits
1236522;1439419482;Adlai;or as they're called these days, "verses"
1236523;1439419486;Adlai;or is it "subverses"
1236524;1439419509;*;Adlai got a ping and goes to check on the kids
1236525;1439419540;mircea_popescu;"It is Sunday afternoon, preferably before the war. The wife is already asleep in the armchair, and the children have been sent out for a nice long walk. You put your feet up on the sofa, settle your spectacles on your nose, and open the NEWS OF THE WORLD. Roast beef and Yorkshire, or roast pork and apple sauce, followed up by suet pudding and driven home, as it were, by a cup of mahogany-brown tea, have put you in jus
1236526;1439419541;mircea_popescu;t the right mood. Your pipe is drawing sweetly, the sofa cushions are soft underneath you, the fire is well alight, the air is warm and stagnant. In these blissful circumstances, what is it that you want to read about?"
1236527;1439419549;mircea_popescu;see ? of course they'd think passion's the answer.
1236528;1439419603;Adlai;well reading a review for lolzvalue is /= to reading a review for wotrating value
1236529;1439419638;*;Adlai spends tons of time on leddit, because "laughter is the best medicine"
1236530;1439419724;mircea_popescu;you ever looked at the voat thing ?
1236531;1439419771;Adlai;as in, loaded it in a browser, yes
1236532;1439419778;Adlai;not much beyond
1236533;1439419824;punkman;life's too short for reading what reddit derps think
1236534;1439419841;*;Adlai is rapidly itching to get his github streak going again
1236535;1439419933;mircea_popescu;was gonna ask if it's different any
1236536;1439419976;punkman;mircea_popescu: why would it be
1236537;1439419986;Adlai;as my unfamous friend is apt to say, "same shit -- diffrent day"
1236538;1439420005;mircea_popescu;just curious, nothing much past that
1236539;1439420010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33912 @ 0.00062218 = 21.0994 BTC [+]
1236540;1439420130;Adlai;they've copied the mechanics, and leached the self-identified "edgiest" parts of the community
1236541;1439420844;punkman;http://hedweb.com/animimag/hares.jpg
1236542;1439420845;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nru6nc )
1236543;1439421230;mats;fun fact: ru cosmonauts have used the time it takes spit to freeze on insulation as a way to measure temperature
1236544;1439421352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062272 = 18.4014 BTC [+]
1236545;1439421408;Adlai;well that only measures temp at the point the spit hits
1236546;1439421427;Adlai;you'd have to spit all over everywhere to get useful weather data
1236547;1439421597;thestringpuller;https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-consensus-and-forks-c6a050c792e7 << hearn's analysis on "consensus"
1236548;1439422045;phf;Adlai: does that secp256k1 implementation you have in your github works?
1236549;1439422198;Adlai;phf: works for whats?
1236550;1439422233;Adlai;;;gettrust phf
1236551;1439422234;phf;for doing ecdsa
1236552;1439422234;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Adlai&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan  2 22:27:02 2014
1236553;1439422238;Adlai;!gettrust phf
1236554;1439422238;assbot;Trust relationship from user Adlai to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=Adlai&to=phf | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phf/
1236555;1439422278;*;Adlai rewrote secp256k1.lisp, but ecdsa invovles more than a mere ec group api
1236556;1439422384;phf;Adlai: i'm trying to decide if i want to get working OP_CHECKSIG first by blindly using someone else's code or ffi'ing to openssl; or write a first approximation of ECDSA myself. will probably offset me by a week
1236557;1439422389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00062804 = 9.7824 BTC [+] {2} 
1236558;1439422391;phf;i see
1236559;1439422460;Adlai;it really depends what your objectives are... if you're learning without immediate product deadlines, i strongly recommend rabid NIH celebrations
1236560;1439422490;Adlai;but if you need to produce results: cannibalize, with extreme prejudice
1236561;1439422783;phf;fair, i'm itching to validate blocks, but it'll have to wait
1236562;1439422871;Adlai;fwiw, i'm using https://github.com/adlai/cjhunt/blob/master/src/hunt.lisp#L13 much more than secp256k1.lisp
1236563;1439422873;assbot;cjhunt/hunt.lisp at master · adlai/cjhunt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbeAxV )
1236564;1439422877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4824 @ 0.00062538 = 3.0168 BTC [-]
1236565;1439423170;phf;understood, you have a different objective though
1236566;1439423343;Adlai;so just to lay this to rest: i only rewrote the EC group function. ECDSA requires hashing and proper combination of EC group functions, which has not yet been verified. tl;dr: don't use my code
1236567;1439423871;mircea_popescu;phf so you're not getting eulora mushrooms because you're writing bitcoin in lisp ?
1236568;1439423973;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part40 < also a fan ?
1236569;1439423977;assbot;Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nbhfrf )
1236570;1439423981;Adlai;worse yet, he's stuck in my sandtrap
1236571;1439424007;phf;mircea_popescu: that would be a very ungenerous way of looking at it
1236572;1439424036;mircea_popescu;i am known for my kindly, generous, charitable disposition
1236573;1439424038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00062617 = 6.3556 BTC [+] {2} 
1236574;1439424040;mircea_popescu;on account of it being so rare.
1236575;1439424149;mircea_popescu;"Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralised society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the n
1236576;1439424149;mircea_popescu;ame of "managers". These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. Private property rights will be abolished, but common ownership will not be established. The new "managerial" societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main indu
1236577;1439424150;mircea_popescu;strial centres in Europe, Asia, and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom."
1236578;1439424186;Adlai;so... oligarchy?
1236579;1439424190;Adlai;of the management class
1236580;1439424247;mircea_popescu;so today. with the reddit of out of work waitresses and musicants
1236581;1439424251;mircea_popescu;and the ba of... ba.
1236582;1439424267;mircea_popescu;(the above was a prediction in 1946)
1236583;1439425671;mats;mmm, my mpex trading balance is nao up ~250% since march
1236584;1439425697;mats;many thanks to mp and jurov
1236585;1439425751;shinohai;O.o
1236586;1439425805;*;Adlai is just glad to be out of hiatus
1236587;1439425807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00062369 = 23.669 BTC [-] {3} 
1236588;1439425990;mircea_popescu;wd
1236589;1439426030;mircea_popescu;hookers and blow time ?
1236590;1439426267;mats;nah. i'm just less poor. maybe i'll buy a pair of pants.
1236591;1439426288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one hundred percent of orwell, afaik, is on the net
1236592;1439426307;mircea_popescu;aha
1236593;1439426310;kakobrekla;mats run a pc for mpif?
1236594;1439426336;kakobrekla;or is that Adlais plan now :)
1236595;1439426336;mircea_popescu;yeah but on what.
1236596;1439426344;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and did they really have folks buy hofstadter's 'geb' as part of some spamatron!!?!!
1236597;1439426354;mircea_popescu;yes
1236598;1439426354;kakobrekla;on what he is making butcoin now, mpoe ?
1236599;1439426356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13399 @ 0.00060189 = 8.0647 BTC [-] {2} 
1236600;1439426361;asciilifeform;or wait, 'navigation by sail'
1236601;1439426364;asciilifeform;aha
1236602;1439426366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mind that these anecdotes in no way diminish the book
1236603;1439426369;Adlai;kakobrekla: i'm still waiting on the bit4x api
1236604;1439426377;kakobrekla;:(
1236605;1439426381;Adlai;;_;
1236606;1439426402;mircea_popescu;ahaha hey... that'd be pretty epic. have TWO pcs on that thing.
1236607;1439426404;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla where is it!
1236608;1439426454;kakobrekla;wait whut, im saying mats / Adlai should run a pc on mpoe
1236609;1439426471;*;Adlai likes it, scalpl was always intended to be an interactive tool anyways
1236610;1439426490;mats;isn't TAT running a pc on mpoe? or is that done with?
1236611;1439426499;Adlai;isn't TAT running?
1236612;1439426512;kakobrekla;tat running? maybe from us.
1236613;1439426526;Adlai;yes that kind of runnings
1236614;1439426582;mircea_popescu;"Lenin, indeed, is one of those politicians who win an undeserved reputation by dying prematurely."
1236615;1439426586;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1236616;1439426595;Adlai;jfk
1236617;1439426599;mircea_popescu;peron too
1236618;1439426624;Adlai;yoni netanyahu, although not quite a politician
1236619;1439426649;Adlai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonatan_Netanyahu "His younger brother, Benjamin Netanyahu, is the current Prime Minister of Israel."
1236620;1439426650;assbot;Yonatan Netanyahu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUMXba )
1236621;1439426716;mircea_popescu;jesus, the mother of the series.
1236622;1439426719;mircea_popescu;caesar
1236623;1439426721;mircea_popescu;etc.
1236624;1439426844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00062966 = 14.1044 BTC [+] {2} 
1236625;1439427290;Adlai;in other news, https://twitter.com/byrneseyeview/status/629724444802428928
1236626;1439427549;mircea_popescu;As late as the autumn of 1945, a Gallup poll taken among the American troops in Germany showed that 51 percent "thought Hitler did much good before 1939". This was after five years of anti-Hitler propaganda.
1236627;1439428041;asciilifeform;ahahaha.
1236628;1439428114;thestringpuller;lizard hitler 2016
1236629;1439428159;mats;so wait - if TAT took off, who is running PC5?
1236630;1439428257;mats;jurov?
1236631;1439428605;mircea_popescu;jurov yes. tat never ran a pc ?
1236632;1439428614;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ran one but it was liquidated properly.
1236633;1439428696;mats;oh ok. i recall tat being offered pc5 but i see now he did not accept
1236634;1439428748;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/25PZKC1 < if anyone somehow cares, re phuctor and rsa exponents. since my comment is still unapproved a day later.
1236635;1439428750;assbot;dpaste: 25PZKC1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiqUqQ )
1236636;1439428757;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why i keep engaging random nobodies online, but hey.
1236637;1439428802;BingoBoingo;Oh, a Double trigger warning on Reddit https://archive.is/fs1J5
1236638;1439428803;assbot;[DOUBLE TRIGGER WARNING]- Swolshamed by my Swolemaiden and other Iron Path Patron in the same day! : swoleacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiqYXy )
1236639;1439428826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! where was this
1236640;1439428837;mircea_popescu;http://qandasys.info/choose-your-own-exponents-in-rsa/#comment-502914
1236641;1439428839;assbot;Choose your own exponents in RSA? | Question and Answer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kir3dM )
1236642;1439428863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a straight rip off 'stack exchange'
1236643;1439428873;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1236644;1439428878;mircea_popescu;one'd expect better managed than this.
1236645;1439428910;mircea_popescu;somehow innovative derps lifting stuff manage to effectually squander the scant opportunities their good fate and their betters' peculiarities afford.
1236646;1439428921;asciilifeform;http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89787/choose-your-own-exponents-in-rsa
1236647;1439428922;assbot;Choose your own exponents in RSA? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kir7KP )
1236648;1439428923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1236649;1439428932;asciilifeform;and i meant, 'straight rip'
1236650;1439428958;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha mkay, never saw that
1236651;1439428982;mircea_popescu;guess joke's on me.
1236652;1439429074;asciilifeform;prolly why nobody answered.
1236653;1439429086;mircea_popescu;mhm
1236654;1439429087;mats;Does a different, larger exponent increase the work effort required for an attacker? Does it increase the work effort required for legitimate uses? << a bigger exponent increases computational time
1236655;1439429095;asciilifeform;(on classic stackexchange, occasionally folks do speak, e.g., http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89713/offline-rsa-strong-prime-test-similar-to-phuctor/89718#89718 )
1236656;1439429096;assbot;random - Offline RSA strong prime test similar to Phuctor? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1JURgDy )
1236657;1439429106;mircea_popescu;mats not on correctly implemented rsa.
1236658;1439429117;asciilifeform;mno
1236659;1439429119;asciilifeform;it does.
1236660;1439429127;mircea_popescu;why would it ?
1236661;1439429131;asciilifeform;but not in a way that a legit user would give half a fuck about
1236662;1439429152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for each bit set in exponent, you end up doing a round in chinese remainder iirc
1236663;1439429159;mircea_popescu;if the implementation allows me to discover stuff about the exponent through timing the thing, it's broken
1236664;1439429171;mircea_popescu;you do all the rounds for your platforms maxint ANYWAY
1236665;1439429182;asciilifeform;proper implementations (e.g. mine) are fixed-time.
1236666;1439429187;mircea_popescu;doh
1236667;1439429189;asciilifeform;this is not hard.
1236668;1439429190;asciilifeform;srsly
1236669;1439429214;asciilifeform;but abstractly, more work for machine given a longer public exponent
1236670;1439429218;asciilifeform;(which enemy already knows)
1236671;1439429225;mircea_popescu;machine doesn't care.
1236672;1439429230;asciilifeform;enciphering too.
1236673;1439429231;mircea_popescu;and enemy doesn't need to know that much
1236674;1439429233;asciilifeform;and no, nobody cares.
1236675;1439429327;scoopbot_revived;Serenissima Your Serenissma (2015) http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/12/serenissima-your-serenissma-2015/
1236676;1439429357;*;mircea_popescu is rather nonplussed at how social media in its "experts exchange" format has given rise to what amounts to a distributed network of "experts" recruited from among the highschool "metalworkers" as they were called
1236677;1439429372;mircea_popescu;those insufferable kids that can't think so they try to compensate by "Working hard"
1236678;1439429405;mircea_popescu;endless parrotting of uncomprehended, mechanically learned pseudoscience and assorted factoidal half truths for the daily dose of congratulatory popcorn from the poor teacher.
1236679;1439429425;asciilifeform;Expert Sexchange !!11
1236680;1439429437;mircea_popescu;all the intellectual curiosity of "will this be on the exam"
1236681;1439429448;mircea_popescu;and all the personal bravure of "but the teacher said!"
1236682;1439429470;asciilifeform;american education ftw
1236683;1439429476;mircea_popescu;nah, it was deeply soviet
1236684;1439429482;asciilifeform;confucian, really
1236685;1439429486;mircea_popescu;it is the true calling of "universal" education.
1236686;1439429497;mircea_popescu;makes bureaucrats. as intended.
1236687;1439429521;asciilifeform;how else.
1236688;1439429530;asciilifeform;mandarins.
1236689;1439429537;mircea_popescu;mandamyfoot.
1236690;1439429571;asciilifeform;no, really. almost complete with the mandatory balls-in-a-jar token of office
1236691;1439429572;*;mircea_popescu has for many years now meditated on this point, but i do not think i loathe or despise any class more than the bureaucrat. i have no problem hanging out with convicted murderes, wanton rapists, the insane, dying men or women, and probably aliens
1236692;1439429579;mircea_popescu;but i can't breathe the air in the same room with these.
1236693;1439429590;asciilifeform;funny how one can smell'em even without air!
1236694;1439429599;mircea_popescu;i can hear them think.
1236695;1439429604;asciilifeform;they could be light-years away, but unmistakeable stink
1236696;1439429613;asciilifeform;how many photons does one need, wonder, to transmit it.
1236697;1439429636;mircea_popescu;i think it's just one photon
1236698;1439429637;mircea_popescu;for the lot
1236699;1439429642;mircea_popescu;but mishapen
1236700;1439429657;asciilifeform;!b 10
1236701;1439429658;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21EFD9N.txt )
1236702;1439429871;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo have you ever tried to run an apple 'powerbook wallstreet' with an ssd ?
1236703;1439429872;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1236704;1439429907;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: High on the wanted list
1236705;1439429932;BingoBoingo;'Wallstreet' seems like the pinacle of apple portables.
1236706;1439430000;BingoBoingo;May have regular fiat income coming in soon. If it works out higher priority is those couple mac minis for cheap colo to stand up some industrial nodes.
1236707;1439430026;mircea_popescu;o hey BingoBoingo where've you been!
1236708;1439430066;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Studying the ways of the fiat job interview. And sleeping.
1236709;1439430075;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1236710;1439430078;mircea_popescu;got anything ?
1236711;1439430098;BingoBoingo;Two on Monday in the same building for the same job classification, but different departments.
1236712;1439430115;mircea_popescu;cool.
1236713;1439430121;BingoBoingo;Income would be modest but local apartments offer still more modest prices.
1236714;1439430200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00060191 = 15.8904 BTC [-]
1236715;1439430223;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nah, that was 'pismo'
1236716;1439430288;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But does anyone ever sell their pismo?
1236717;1439430352;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: me, if i can't get the bugger reading ssd!
1236718;1439430380;asciilifeform;(which srsly cost 2x what that old boat anchor of a machine did!)
1236719;1439430390;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: From what I understand Pismo has finicky drive controller. Must use drive from whitelist.
1236720;1439430430;BingoBoingo;What whitelist? Exists in lore of trial and error. ATA 100 right out.
1236721;1439430440;BingoBoingo;ATA 66 or 133, Maybe?
1236722;1439430504;BingoBoingo;From the inclusion of a TPM, the ThinkPad was lost sort of shit here.
1236723;1439430539;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mno. this drive works at all ata speeds (tested) and still won't boot the box
1236724;1439430591;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: See https://web.archive.org/web/20040614024747/http://www.macopinion.com/columns/roadwarrior/04/03/30/index.html
1236725;1439430594;assbot;MacOPINION : Charles Moore | Hotrodding The Pismo Phase Two: Faster Hard Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KisDMX )
1236726;1439430672;BingoBoingo;Problem is on motherboard
1236727;1439430739;BingoBoingo;It isn't that the interface works at some speeds and not others. It is that it only works at some speeds and at those speeds only with some drives.
1236728;1439430769;BingoBoingo;And all of those people who complained and tested seemed to do so before the consumer SSD revolution
1236729;1439430906;asciilifeform;again, the fact that it does not mount the drive is obvious experimentally. but the given hypothesis does not follow
1236730;1439430929;asciilifeform;the ssd in question happily runs at 66 and even 33, and negotiates this speed with test box running adult os
1236731;1439431006;BingoBoingo;Discerning the exact problem likely requires a time machine, a baseball bat, and a trip to Cupertino or Mumbai
1236732;1439431526;mats;i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today
1236733;1439431546;mats;i think she was coming back to talk to me but then decided not to when i didn't notice her at the periphery of my vision
1236734;1439431571;mats;i was looking at a buncha nice summer squash and it barely registered that someone was facing me for five seconds
1236735;1439431581;mats;worth it, that squash is dericious
1236736;1439431614;mats;pricy shit at the market though, i spent ~20 on six linked sausages weighing 2lbs total
1236737;1439431631;mats;i told a friend these events in exactly the same order as irc and she told me i'm gay :(
1236738;1439431658;trinque;haha
1236739;1439431772;BingoBoingo;mats: What kind of summer squash?
1236740;1439431872;mats;the label at the stand said 'golden striped squash' i believe
1236741;1439431936;phf;is it green with yellow stripes?
1236742;1439431968;mats;no its yellow with green stripes
1236743;1439432093;BingoBoingo;Ah mats if you find the small white ones, they are especially delicious. Save a couple for seeds though. It was $2.50 for six seeds this spring for the pattypan squash. Never have I seen seeds that expensive for a vegetable. Worth it though, just saving them this year.
1236744;1439432119;mats;i will be watchful
1236745;1439432235;trinque;who wants to make small-talk at the grocery store anyway?
1236746;1439432250;phf;i've rarely seen patissons in stores
1236747;1439432252;trinque;sounds terrible; I'd rather pass judgment on squash too
1236748;1439432370;mats;its not my fault she was too shy to ask me for my number
1236749;1439432378;phf;but they come out really nice when pickled
1236750;1439432386;mats;when i see her again i will ask for hers and then make fun of her at dinner
1236751;1439432517;BingoBoingo;mats: On the plus side those things were really productive when they grew. If you have any outdoor space be it a yard or balcony I highly reccomend them.
1236752;1439432639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00060191 = 4.7623 BTC [-]
1236753;1439432700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00060233 = 14.0343 BTC [+] {2} 
1236754;1439432959;mats;i don't, but i've been meaning to try hydroponics anyway
1236755;1439433188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00059995 = 37.4369 BTC [-] {3} 
1236756;1439433212;BingoBoingo;hydroponics is for people who want enhanced law enforcement attention. Dirt is fine and very productive.
1236757;1439433881;BingoBoingo;And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people.
1236758;1439434246;BingoBoingo;The new kinder, gentler Gawker Media. As socialist as ever: https://archive.is/DA55l
1236759;1439434248;assbot;An Expensive Sandwich Should Come With a Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1gBM37G )
1236760;1439434469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00060778 = 27.107 BTC [+] {3} 
1236761;1439434511;BingoBoingo;Also note that Gawker/Kinja pages take longer than ever to be processed by archive.is ... Almost as though there is an arms race between archiver and those not wanting to be preserved
1236762;1439435140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9629 @ 0.00059838 = 5.7618 BTC [-] {3} 
1236763;1439435262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26778 @ 0.0006083 = 16.2891 BTC [+]
1236764;1439437092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19538 @ 0.0006083 = 11.885 BTC [+]
1236765;1439437383;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3134466/Im-son-ate-Angry-dwarf-jailed-sticking-sucker-dart-head-pretending-Dalek-row-led-Tasered-twice-police.html
1236766;1439437384;assbot;Angry dwarf Ian Salter-Bromley jailed after pretending to be a Dalek in row with police | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlXFaY )
1236767;1439437420;BingoBoingo;^ Truly an hero for our people
1236768;1439437458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87580 @ 0.0005965 = 52.2415 BTC [-] {4} 
1236769;1439437684;asciilifeform;from the lulzfarms: https://cryptome.org/2015/08/michael-hastings-thoughts.htm
1236770;1439437685;assbot;Thoughts About Michael Hastings ... ( http://bit.ly/1WkAOl4 )
1236771;1439437698;asciilifeform;'"For secret assassination, either simple or chase, the contrived accident is the most effective technique. When successfully executed, it causes little excitement and is only casually investigated."'
1236772;1439437720;trinque;who can even question what happened to him
1236773;1439437758;trinque;poor fella went for a 130mph drive in the middle of the night, I suppose I'm supposed to believe
1236774;1439437770;asciilifeform;and exploded like 'movie car', aha
1236775;1439437772;asciilifeform;by itself.
1236776;1439437784;asciilifeform;in fireball that equals at least half a kilo of trotyl, no less.
1236777;1439437794;trinque;sparks even, as though trying to jam the breaks, iirc
1236778;1439437798;trinque;*brakes
1236779;1439437817;trinque;I remember that happening, and the reality of it sinking in
1236780;1439437824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00059228 = 1.8953 BTC [-] {2} 
1236781;1439437834;trinque;"They're everything they ever claimed they defend against."
1236782;1439437840;asciilifeform;times $maxint.
1236783;1439437889;asciilifeform;'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against.
1236784;1439437930;trinque;yep
1236785;1439437954;*;trinque was about to depart, but couldn't help but comment seeing "Hastings"
1236786;1439437957;trinque;bbl
1236787;1439438603;BingoBoingo;True shame Hastings didn't live long enough to make the target on his back more vivid by flirting with #b-a
1236788;1439438702;BingoBoingo;"The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start."
1236789;1439438752;BingoBoingo;"Motorcycle Gangs" is USG code for blessed sons of the DEA. Nearly all their contemporary membership is eather hobbyist medical pros or former Law enforcement
1236790;1439438922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00059337 = 14.9013 BTC [+] {3} 
1236791;1439438949;BingoBoingo;The law enforcement - Biker gang connection even leaks into USG blessed pop culture from time to time.
1236792;1439438990;BingoBoingo; "If the subject's personal habits make it feasible, alcohol may be used [very successfully] to prepare him for a contrived accident of any kind." << FU Hoover
1236793;1439439109;BingoBoingo;Hastings may very well have simply pushed his luck one too many times with reckless behavior. In true Hunter S. Thompson fashion. Even then it would still be interesting to know what he was working on. A lesson for acoyltes of the press?  << Thompson preserved his live by straddling the edge of credibility. "To weird to die" was likely both his motto and official USG policy.
1236794;1439439194;BingoBoingo; "The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start."  << If Mr. Bolles has a known propensity for peyote and cocaine he likely could have avoided this fate whil
1236795;1439439194;BingoBoingo;e still reporting the same things.
1236796;1439439227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00059222 = 6.3711 BTC [-] {2} 
1236797;1439439298;BingoBoingo;USG though always operates under the assumption Nixon era "Drugs once damaged forever" cridibility doctrine holds
1236798;1439439405;BingoBoingo;By this form a tab of LSD to asciilifeform may extend his life a decade, or USG whims could change
1236799;1439439548;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1236801;1439439585;BingoBoingo;;;more
1236802;1439439585;gribble;262.858012852
1236803;1439439647;phf;i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something?
1236804;1439439690;BingoBoingo;phf: Plenty in his sports writing.
1236805;1439439703;BingoBoingo;But, that could also be sports writing.
1236806;1439439740;BingoBoingo;He published in book form a bunch of shit he got being one of the few people Nixon could talk Football with
1236807;1439439773;BingoBoingo;USG, I will send you to Kismet and I will eat your soul
1236808;1439439775;phf;is that the Campaign Trail '72 one?
1236809;1439439776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00059204 = 29.1876 BTC [-] {3} 
1236810;1439439780;BingoBoingo;phf: Yeah
1236811;1439439784;BingoBoingo;Great read
1236812;1439439842;BingoBoingo;I gave my copy to some girl I fancied at the time which was not the girl I fancied at the time who would have appreciated it.
1236813;1439439880;phf;i've lost a lot of good books that way
1236814;1439439885;*;BingoBoingo is nothing if not arbitrary in lightening his shelves
1236815;1439439951;phf;it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again
1236816;1439439965;BingoBoingo;I am actually not sure to this day if that girl is literate herself.
1236817;1439440325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00058794 = 25.4578 BTC [-] {3} 
1236818;1439440447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40480 @ 0.00061176 = 24.764 BTC [+] {3} 
1236819;1439441259;mircea_popescu;<mats> i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today << win.
1236820;1439441317;BingoBoingo;Tonight's film Cinderella Man
1236821;1439441362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00061625 = 48.6838 BTC [+] {4} 
1236822;1439441409;BingoBoingo;Great USG poverty flick so far
1236823;1439441569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against. << who, the soviets ?
1236824;1439441626;BingoBoingo;WWIII was a necessary involvement for the Yankees. One that strengthened the South immeasurably.
1236825;1439441704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?
1236826;1439441716;mircea_popescu;<phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.
1236827;1439441772;mircea_popescu;and similarly moore's mostly an opportunist. nevertheless, they represent the neverending hope of the countless christine wiigs out there, between fargo and paris (wi) that they to one day could be famous!
1236828;1439441835;pete_dushenski;goddam wiig even wants to shit on ghostbusters now
1236829;1439441851;pete_dushenski;along with hamplanet mccarthy, naturally
1236830;1439441854;mircea_popescu;<phf> it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it.
1236831;1439441876;pete_dushenski;not that i have any real love lost for ghostbusters movies, but the cartoons...
1236832;1439441880;mircea_popescu;this "giving" bs is like lifting kids up to the basketball hoop. pointless and boring.
1236833;1439441913;pete_dushenski;lol @ vex
1236834;1439441919;*;mircea_popescu never followed either
1236835;1439441934;mircea_popescu;was this HB ?
1236836;1439441940;pete_dushenski;myea, twas a generational thing
1236837;1439441949;pete_dushenski;sorry, hb ?
1236838;1439441957;mircea_popescu;hanna-barbera
1236839;1439441994;pete_dushenski;aha, like flinstones and jetsons
1236840;1439441996;*;mircea_popescu loved both cow&chicken and animaniacs.  not THAT generational.
1236841;1439442063;pete_dushenski;i definitely enjoyed animaniacs and pinky and the brain, never watched much cow&chick
1236842;1439442076;wilbns;ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here.
1236843;1439442106;mircea_popescu;if you ever want to introduce a kid to surrealism, c&c is the way to go.
1236844;1439442139;mircea_popescu;plus exactly the right brand of anarchic anti-authoritarian, sexually innuendo-ian and so forth
1236845;1439442168;trinque;I still re-watch ren & stimpy time to time
1236846;1439442173;pete_dushenski;'the real ghostbusters' (cartoon) was developed by columbia pictures and 'dic entertainment'. i'm not sure that it was any good, more that the siren sound of the car as played in the theme song was really rather memorable
1236847;1439442197;pete_dushenski;wilbns: which one was gummy bears again ?
1236848;1439442234;mircea_popescu;it's a pity they took southpark the route of this hot topic "let's stand in front random news event of the week"
1236849;1439442241;mircea_popescu;show used to be a lot better a decade ago
1236850;1439442251;wilbns;pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4aJz2E5LQI:
1236851;1439442252;assbot;Gummi Bears   0401 Gummi´s At Sea (Full Episode) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TvUo9K )
1236852;1439442254;trinque;indeed. clearly wanted to cash in and go do broadway
1236853;1439442270;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin.
1236854;1439442297;trinque;r&s is imo an excellent satire of various common american mental illnesses
1236855;1439442340;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it's a great show, starting maybe about 5-6-7 or so but be prepared to support the kid by not being a hypocrite cop-out sorta parent. which always sounds a lot easier than it turns out to be
1236856;1439442364;mircea_popescu;wilbns dude i think i ate some of those
1236857;1439442370;mircea_popescu;i had no idea they were a cartoon
1236858;1439442386;wilbns;mircea_popescu: haha, yes, exactly, that was my favorite candy as a kid which is why i liked the cartoon
1236859;1439442386;pete_dushenski;they're no sour patch kids
1236860;1439442465;pete_dushenski;the show looks like a stoner's brainchild
1236861;1439442497;*;trinque now has the duck tales theme stuck in head
1236862;1439442503;trinque;ah oooooh ooh
1236863;1439442524;wilbns;trinque: me too
1236864;1439442546;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> <phf> it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it. << Been a decade and months since my mistake. Recognized when I wanted to see them again.
1236865;1439442558;wilbns;after hanna barbera stuff and disney cartoons, will never forget the first time i accidentally stumbled upon aeon flux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVZXElRgYwk
1236866;1439442559;assbot;(MTV) Aeon Flux Series - Season 1 (1991) - Pilot N/A - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je565e )
1236867;1439442576;mircea_popescu;saw the film of that thing, because hot chick. was thoroughly disappointed.
1236868;1439442653;wilbns;didn't see the movie, but there was all kinds of wacked out stuff happening in the cartoon. that was the first time i think i saw two animated characters getting it on w/ each other
1236869;1439442672;trinque;http://images.alphacoders.com/480/480232.png
1236870;1439442673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je5kJB )
1236871;1439442681;trinque;didn't see the film, but now I can see wanting to
1236872;1439442684;pete_dushenski;mercy.
1236873;1439443314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.0006315 = 3.3785 BTC [+] {2} 
1236874;1439443557;BingoBoingo;Oh, liberast twist in "Cinderella Man" is wife doesn't want him to risk it for the children
1236875;1439443802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34082 @ 0.00058388 = 19.8998 BTC [-]
1236876;1439443924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00063612 = 27.2259 BTC [+] {5} 
1236877;1439443925;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-08-2015#1233728 << if it still works i'll buy it from you
1236878;1439443925;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 22:33:31; *: shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere ....
1236879;1439443956;wilbns;ah, what a phone
1236880;1439444080;wilbns;fell off a roof onto my hip which had that phone clipped to it, no problem. accidentally put in a cup of whisky and coke, no problem.
1236881;1439444537;mircea_popescu;The music-and if possible it should be the same music for everybody-is the most important ingredient. Its function is to prevent thought and conversation, and to shut out any natural sound, such as the song of birds or the whistling of the wind, that might otherwise intrude. The radio is already consciously used for this purpose by innumerable people. In very many English homes the radio is literally never turned off,
1236882;1439444544;mircea_popescu;though it is manipulated from time to time so as to make sure that only light music will come out of it. I know people who will keep the radio playing all through a meal and at the same time continue talking just loudly enough for the voices and the music to cancel out. This is done with a definite purpose. The music prevents the conversation from becoming serious or even coherent, while the chatter of voices stops one
1236883;1439444549;mircea_popescu; from listening attentively to the music and thus prevents the onset of that dreaded thing, thought. For:
1236884;1439444552;mircea_popescu;The lights must never go out.
1236885;1439444554;mircea_popescu;The music must always play,
1236886;1439444556;mircea_popescu;Lest we should see where we are;
1236887;1439444558;mircea_popescu;Lost in a haunted wood,
1236888;1439444560;mircea_popescu;Children afraid of the dark
1236889;1439444562;mircea_popescu;Who have never been happy or good.
1236890;1439444564;mircea_popescu;what did jobs "invent" again ?
1236891;1439444566;mircea_popescu;a whole fucking century with this.
1236892;1439444786;ben_vulpes;(coracle at 281753)
1236893;1439444877;BingoBoingo;How did "Million Dollar Baby" get acclaim and "Cincerella Man" didn't
1236894;1439444926;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: did you have any 'absolute path' issues when setting up coracle ? i still haven't overcome this issue with my rotor attempts
1236895;1439444961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00058388 = 18.6258 BTC [-]
1236896;1439445752;BingoBoingo;Ho Bitch wife #CinderellaMan
1236897;1439445886;BingoBoingo;Gaddammit Bitch wife
1236898;1439445937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65471 @ 0.00058361 = 38.2095 BTC [-] {4} 
1236899;1439446056;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> what did jobs "invent" again ? << elective lobotomies with moar rounded corners
1236900;1439446109;mircea_popescu;not sure any cutting was required.
1236901;1439446117;mircea_popescu;some brains are born circumcised.
1236902;1439446230;BingoBoingo;And Bitc wife comes to when she realizes only one outcome lets her live
1236903;1439446486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19794 @ 0.00062001 = 12.2725 BTC [+] {3} 
1236904;1439446608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18011 @ 0.00064331 = 11.5867 BTC [+] {2} 
1236905;1439447125;pete_dushenski;http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt << where my 'rotor' efforts for debian 7 currently rest.
1236906;1439447127;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbXEr6 )
1236907;1439447139;pete_dushenski;^mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes etc.
1236908;1439447207;fluffypony;lolwut
1236909;1439447213;fluffypony;I just got a pm from WoodCollector
1236910;1439447219;fluffypony;As the new owner of this account I have removed any feedback left by the previous owner as a courtesy before I sell the account.
1236911;1439447219;fluffypony;PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE YOUR FEEDBACK AS IT IS HISTORICAL AND A REMINDER TO ALL TO BE CAREFUL.
1236912;1439447220;fluffypony;This account is being sold soon, so please do not trust anyone on this account who says they are the original woodcollector.
1236913;1439447238;pete_dushenski;best price.
1236914;1439447351;mircea_popescu;...
1236915;1439447376;mircea_popescu;is the new owner advising people against trusting the new owner ?
1236916;1439447388;mircea_popescu;apparently obamacare doesn't make the lithium strong enough anymore.
1236917;1439447416;pete_dushenski;"Vox Media, a publishing house for the digital age, has landed a $200 million strategic investment from the entertainment group NBCUniversal"
1236918;1439447431;mircea_popescu;see, now that investment makes sense
1236919;1439447445;pete_dushenski;values vox at $1 bn
1236920;1439447448;mircea_popescu;nothing nbc bought in the past 2-12-20 billion has turned out worth anything
1236921;1439447577;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: what else has nbc bought in the last 5 years ?
1236922;1439447911;*;BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...
1236923;1439447933;BingoBoingo;NBC bought Trump
1236924;1439447941;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1236925;1439447993;*;BingoBoingo likes the hollywood dichotomy of break your neck on a stool vs. buy a house in Jersey
1236926;1439448388;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they buy 5-20 shows a yerar.
1236927;1439448403;mircea_popescu;none of which you've heard of.
1236928;1439448412;mircea_popescu;none of which cost less than 10mn or so
1236929;1439448426;pete_dushenski;aha. shows.
1236930;1439448426;mircea_popescu;for 20 years now, they've not caught a break.
1236931;1439448436;pete_dushenski;30 rock was theirs.
1236932;1439448449;mircea_popescu;since seinfeld practically.
1236933;1439448453;mircea_popescu;heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ?
1236934;1439448477;Vexual;tina fey won't say
1236935;1439448489;pete_dushenski;30 rock might actually be the last tv show i watched that had me in stitches
1236936;1439448495;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/gallery/tuG5A
1236937;1439448496;assbot;Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ )
1236938;1439448531;mircea_popescu;sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski
1236939;1439448556;Vexual;seinfeld got more
1236940;1439448561;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it probably grosses a couple million a year ? leaving a net of a few hundred k, i'd wager
1236941;1439448605;Vexual;add a few zeros
1236942;1439448632;mircea_popescu;...
1236943;1439448662;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: btw, what's the going rate for online ads these days ? sounds like cpm is dead, but do you know 'average' cpc off-hand ?
1236944;1439448691;pete_dushenski;i'm trolling a local newsrag and need to know how far to take my schtick :)
1236945;1439448697;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski << Seriosly NBC is too poor to film police dramas in NYC. Hence "Chicago PD"
1236946;1439448699;mircea_popescu;it's about the same as buying "seer advice". you can pay as much as you want to, but you should buy the cheapest.
1236947;1439448723;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ? << SNL, but "retired"
1236948;1439448736;mircea_popescu;(usually cheapest here means - just get someone to edit your apache server logs)
1236949;1439448743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00064483 = 12.7032 BTC [+] {3} 
1236950;1439448745;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: they can always film in chicago and call it nyc, throw in some pixels so no one notices
1236951;1439448750;BingoBoingo;The same way ESPN is mostly "athletes" but "retired"
1236952;1439448765;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not really. Middle America will know
1236953;1439448787;pete_dushenski;you'd know better than i
1236954;1439448811;mircea_popescu;skyline!
1236955;1439448828;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: If any part of the "Chicago River" is in a frame most of use can smell it.
1236956;1439448876;mircea_popescu;lol
1236957;1439448877;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But take comfort. The "Chicago River" is a 21st century open sewer
1236958;1439448893;BingoBoingo;So post modern
1236959;1439448912;BingoBoingo;Not long ago they pointed it away from Lake Michigan
1236960;1439448953;BingoBoingo;How long ago is up to debate. Good metrics suggest most of it still goes to Lake Michigan.
1236961;1439448992;mircea_popescu;"a chity so chic its name even starts with chicloaca maxima!"
1236962;1439449028;BingoBoingo;In the native language of the displaced folk, apparently Chicago meant "place that reeks of onion"
1236963;1439449049;BingoBoingo;Because it was the wrong kind of bog.
1236964;1439449085;BingoBoingo;Instead of bury your cheese to keep it safe Chicago was more... Like a FUPA
1236965;1439449096;BingoBoingo;No way to avoid the mold
1236966;1439449336;BingoBoingo;I have a fat acquaintence who moved to Shitcago. His fellow probationers are a harder and less human sort than he did rehab with here.
1236967;1439449353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36338 @ 0.00064076 = 23.2839 BTC [-]
1236968;1439449409;BingoBoingo;Dude has a future though, he made himself some Jew Lawyer's pet.
1236969;1439449432;Vexual;doesnt need to buy a coat
1236970;1439449441;Vexual;coz hes fat
1236971;1439449446;BingoBoingo;lol
1236972;1439449613;BingoBoingo;http://getoffmyinternets.net/token-fat-girl-blogger-dies-suddenly-at-age-30/
1236973;1439449614;assbot;‘Token Fat Girl’ Blogger Dies Suddenly At Age 30   | GOMI ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc319K )
1236974;1439449644;BingoBoingo;http://blog.genesisfellowship.com/2013/03/15/pray-for-the-spurlock-family.aspx
1236975;1439449719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18190 @ 0.00062777 = 11.4191 BTC [-] {2} 
1236976;1439449787;BingoBoingo;The lawyer who has taken custody of my planetary acquainance is a good person though. I trust she will keep him safe. Her political opinions are close to Pete's except for the Bitcoin is going to burn the world part.
1236977;1439450095;*;BingoBoingo looks at the varied IRL contacts Bingo has been polite enough to introduce to BTC and wonder whether too soon or wrong target leaning towards the latter.
1236978;1439450329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00060901 = 10.14 BTC [-]
1236979;1439450634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00060901 = 9.3788 BTC [-]
1236980;1439450695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22110 @ 0.00060901 = 13.4652 BTC [-]
1236981;1439450878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00062391 = 13.0085 BTC [+]
1236982;1439450925;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235775 <<< tbh, it was a sly attemptin asking you to speculate for what purpose that lab might've been used for, google didn't turn up anything
1236983;1439450925;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 13:15:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235694 << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards
1236984;1439452171;punkman;http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/12/ohm-is-a-smarter-lighter-car-battery-that-works-with-your-existing-car/
1236985;1439452172;assbot;Ohm Is A Smarter, Lighter Car Battery That Works With Your Existing Car  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJjMG9 )
1236986;1439452281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00063884 = 18.5902 BTC [+] {4} 
1236987;1439452698;cazalla;http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/lenovo-pcs-and-laptops-seem-to-have-a-bios-level-backdoor.html
1236988;1439452699;assbot;Lenovo PCs and Laptops seem to have a BIOS level backdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtYpAT )
1236989;1439452727;cazalla;still catching up on logs so sorry if repost
1236990;1439452826;cazalla;ah shit, not more than 10 lines later and i see shinohai beat me to it
1236991;1439452866;shinohai;nw, it's kinda old news on my part realy that Lenovo has been exploiting UEFI
1236992;1439452942;punkman;is ubuntu compatible yet?
1236993;1439455270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00063397 = 15.0251 BTC [-]
1236994;1439455453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00062934 = 11.0764 BTC [-] {2} 
1236995;1439456369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00062934 = 15.702 BTC [-]
1236996;1439456933;shinohai;!up GNULinuxGuy
1236997;1439457649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00062507 = 15.9393 BTC [-] {6} 
1236998;1439458517;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236757 <<< can vouch for this.. the 80 year old guy over the fence is always inviting me over to just stroll into his backyard and take what i want.. tools, veggies, whatever, help yourself he says but he is also a little senile so i've not taken up the offer lest he call the police because some intruder is in the backyard
1236999;1439458517;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 02:44:41; BingoBoingo: And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people.
1237000;1439458602;cazalla;guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave
1237001;1439458623;shinohai;I am almost ashamed to addmit I will converse with this old Mexican lady for up to an hour just because I love her damned pepper garden.
1237002;1439458689;cazalla;what sort of peppers?
1237003;1439458841;shinohai;Jalepenos Habaneros
1237004;1439458856;shinohai;I usually leave with a bundle of cilantro and onions too
1237005;1439458897;shinohai;Literally tons of it growing around her place. I wish she grew pot.
1237006;1439459219;cazalla;i've got a couple chillis to go in this spring - anaheim and royal black
1237007;1439459287;cazalla;tomatoes i've got planned are black cherry, mary italian and sweetie
1237008;1439459319;shinohai;oooh nice
1237009;1439459356;shinohai;I buy tomatoes at farmers market usually.
1237010;1439459403;cazalla;not convinced such markets are actually selling the product they claim to be
1237011;1439459554;cazalla;there was some media attention to that effect just a few months ago here.. imported chinese garlic sold as australia.. fucking food labelling here is so awful that you cannot know what comes from where.. example "made in australia from local and imported ingredients"
1237012;1439459619;cazalla;another trick is to import chinese grown produce into australia by way of new zealand so can smack a "made in new zealand" label on it
1237013;1439459723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00062266 = 6.6313 BTC [-]
1237014;1439459956;shinohai;Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.
1237015;1439459997;shinohai;Usually camped out within a few yards of actual gardens xD
1237016;1439460272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00062145 = 15.0391 BTC [-] {2} 
1237017;1439460548;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236922 <<< how much does a 2012 account go for?
1237018;1439460548;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 06:38:31; *: BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...
1237019;1439461797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23411 @ 0.00061981 = 14.5104 BTC [-]
1237020;1439462806;shinohai;BingoBoingo: who are you on btctalk again?
1237021;1439463261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20951 @ 0.00062568 = 13.1086 BTC [+] {3} 
1237022;1439464054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28185 @ 0.00061166 = 17.2396 BTC [-] {3} 
1237023;1439466151;shinohai;!up Uglux
1237024;1439466198;shinohai;;;ticker
1237025;1439466199;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 263.44, Best ask: 263.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 263.45, 24 hour volume: 13872.40075161, 24 hour low: 263.33, 24 hour high: 270.09, 24 hour vwap: None
1237026;1439466759;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/apple/2015/08/13/just-stop-it/
1237027;1439466761;assbot;A flasher exploited Apple's AirDrop feature ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwPDwu )
1237028;1439468080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00060581 = 10.9652 BTC [-]
1237029;1439468629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00061023 = 6.56 BTC [+]
1237030;1439469300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00060498 = 28.1316 BTC [-] {4} 
1237031;1439469361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0006155 = 12.31 BTC [+] {2} 
1237032;1439469666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12915 @ 0.00060184 = 7.7728 BTC [-]
1237033;1439470215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4185 @ 0.00059703 = 2.4986 BTC [-]
1237034;1439470375;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/UFOEbGr.png hue
1237035;1439470376;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5sa6U )
1237036;1439472716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00062117 = 25.6854 BTC [+] {2} 
1237037;1439473021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10665 @ 0.00062362 = 6.6509 BTC [+]
1237038;1439473448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27898 @ 0.00061311 = 17.1045 BTC [-] {3} 
1237039;1439473875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16275 @ 0.00062362 = 10.1494 BTC [+]
1237040;1439474021;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/08/se-ends-part-assange-probe.htm << lulz
1237041;1439474022;assbot;Sweden Ends Part of Assange Probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzBp20 )
1237042;1439474063;asciilifeform;^ reads like an atrociously bad translation ?
1237043;1439474363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00063316 = 15.1958 BTC [+] {2} 
1237044;1439474506;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236825 << looks like. there is this standard pattern of 'mentions interesting people/events, but no apparent contribution to the subject'
1237045;1439474506;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?
1237046;1439474518;asciilifeform;what i don't get is - why?
1237047;1439474523;asciilifeform;wtf is the point.
1237048;1439474555;asciilifeform;smoke screen is the only rational explanation i can think of thus far.
1237049;1439474593;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236826 << tried to read several works of mr t. utter garbage.
1237050;1439474593;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:16; mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.
1237051;1439474728;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236905 << please post your rotor directory tree.
1237052;1439474728;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 06:25:25; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt << where my 'rotor' efforts for debian 7 currently rest.
1237053;1439474755;asciilifeform;from this point on, this applies to anyone who wants help in building the thing
1237054;1439474772;asciilifeform;i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with.
1237055;1439474827;kakobrekla;he is so modest.
1237056;1439474855;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236937 << i read some variant of this claptrap on usenet, in, when, '96 ?
1237057;1439474855;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 06:48:16; assbot: Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ )
1237058;1439474870;asciilifeform;funny how these things get recycled forever.
1237059;1439474945;shinohai;;;later tell pete_dushenski pm me and I'll get you past http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt
1237060;1439474947;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbXEr6 )
1237061;1439474947;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1237062;1439475370;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236842 << all three of these were translated (the traditional ru single-voice crappy dub) and i saw'em as a boy
1237063;1439475370;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 05:01:16; wilbns: ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here.
1237064;1439475461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00062718 = 10.0349 BTC [-]
1237065;1439475583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39592 @ 0.00060991 = 24.1476 BTC [-] {4} 
1237066;1439475602;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236984 << can't wait for these to come with a cranked dynamo (preferably in the cab proper, perhaps somewhere under dashboard?)
1237067;1439475602;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 07:49:31; punkman: http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/12/ohm-is-a-smarter-lighter-car-battery-that-works-with-your-existing-car/
1237068;1439475620;asciilifeform;then we can go full circle to the old days when there was no such thing as a car you couldn't start by hand
1237069;1439475705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77504 @ 0.00060968 = 47.2526 BTC [-] {2} 
1237070;1439475766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1759 @ 0.00060961 = 1.0723 BTC [-] {3} 
1237071;1439477094;pete_dushenski;shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !
1237072;1439477119;shinohai;sweet :)
1237073;1439477137;pete_dushenski;as such, 'tevye' is currently at 24404 and climbing
1237074;1439477146;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, congrats :)
1237075;1439477148;pete_dushenski;soon, he will be a rich man !
1237076;1439477154;funkenstein_;"For man only stays human by preserving large patches of simplicity in his life, while the tendency of many modern inventions-in particular the film, the radio and the aeroplane-is to weaken his consciousness, dull his curiosity, and, in general, drive him nearer to the animals."
1237077;1439477159;shinohai;I liked this morning article as well. You may have noticed I fumbled the syntax.
1237078;1439477170;funkenstein_;The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
1237079;1439477199;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: lol cheers. i'm sorta surprised i didn't need more help than i did
1237080;1439477236;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mod6 'tevye' the debian 7 rotor lives !
1237081;1439477236;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1237082;1439477301;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: who's the author of this quote ?
1237083;1439477310;funkenstein_;from the orwel series
1237084;1439477374;pete_dushenski;aha
1237085;1439477385;pete_dushenski;which essay in particular ?
1237086;1439477403;funkenstein_;Pleasure Spots - Orwell
1237087;1439477445;pete_dushenski;cool. i'm currently wandering through 'inside the whale'
1237088;1439477678;funkenstein_;wow that looks like a mega-review, consistent with his recommendation for book reviewers linked earlier :)
1237089;1439477724;funkenstein_;I must say the rotor is a software release like no other I have seen, yes very deterministic
1237090;1439477795;pete_dushenski; funkenstein_ speaking of nothing, are you still blogging much ? and what was the name of your site again ?
1237091;1439477798;funkenstein_;perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this)
1237092;1439477823;pete_dushenski;we never had it added to scoopbot_revived it seems.
1237093;1439477830;funkenstein_;I've been busy but got several pieces started and torn up ;)
1237094;1439477890;pete_dushenski;from what i recall of it, i'd much rather read funkenstein_'s writings than this junk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220877. as prophetic as this bit of ta was
1237095;1439477890;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 15:05:18; scoopbot_revived: Short Term Update: headed to $255 https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/short-term-update-headed-to-255/
1237096;1439477914;funkenstein_;I am hoping you will still be able to contravex us regulary even with new arrivals :)
1237097;1439477968;funkenstein_;frass.woodcoin.org <-- another place I display my ignorance from time to time
1237098;1439478146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00062415 = 5.5549 BTC [+]
1237099;1439478184;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings
1237100;1439478185;assbot;Jazz Jennings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsKh3u )
1237101;1439478341;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne can we see about having frass.woodcoin.org to scoopy's roster ? please and thanks
1237102;1439478342;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1237103;1439478356;williamdunne;Yes
1237104;1439478372;pete_dushenski;cheers
1237105;1439478399;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: i imagine that contravex posts will either become shorter or slightly less frequent, but we shall see
1237106;1439478435;pete_dushenski;it may go back to the 2-3 per week it was in its first ~6 months before it ramped up to the current 4-5 per week
1237107;1439478496;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller
1237108;1439478519;thestringpuller;did anything come of this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969761
1237109;1439478530;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu:"The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"
1237110;1439478572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.0006042 = 29.4245 BTC [-] {4} 
1237111;1439478580;pete_dushenski;"Imagine for a second that you see a great street juggler.  He deserves a token of your appreciation.  However instead of putting a hat out, he puts a sign up:"
1237112;1439478585;pete_dushenski;"Thanks for your support!  Please drive to E.Bumfuck, Ontario on Tuesday between 2 and 3 pm to make a donation, where we accept Disneyland Tickets or Hershey Park rain-date vouchers."
1237113;1439478597;pete_dushenski;^cute imagery
1237114;1439478636;punkman;where;s that from
1237115;1439478688;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_'s http://frass.woodcoin.org/musicians-publish-a-fucking-address-already/
1237116;1439478689;assbot;Musicians: Publish a fucking address already | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsL5pk )
1237117;1439478886;thestringpuller; /wind 5
1237118;1439479548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90150 @ 0.00059419 = 53.5662 BTC [-] {9} 
1237119;1439479585;pete_dushenski;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet
1237120;1439479586;assbot;Intel left a fascinating security flaw in its chips for 16 years – here's how to exploit it • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsN0tX )
1237121;1439479625;pete_dushenski;if this doesn't have you hunting the local classifieds for amd opterons and fxes, i dunno what will
1237122;1439479744;pete_dushenski;"The good news is that Intel spotted the howler in its processor blueprints, and corrected the issue: chips built from January 2011 and onwards (Sandy Bridge Core CPUs and later) are not affected. " << highly suspicious
1237123;1439479794;pete_dushenski;"old intel products like all old computing hardware is unsafe at any speed. please to upgrade to latest blackbox for maximal safety and suckoority"
1237124;1439479807;pete_dushenski;mhm. right.
1237125;1439480342;scoopbot_revived;A little bit of local research. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/13/a-little-bit-of-local-research/
1237126;1439480439;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237119 << howling idiocy. smm has been in the official docs, from intel and amd both, since 486.
1237127;1439480439;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 15:26:25; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet
1237128;1439480451;pete_dushenski;"When the Pentium Pro (a P6 family chip) arrived in 1995, Intel allowed kernel-level developers to reprogram the local APIC so that it would appear elsewhere in physical memory. This was handy for moving the local APIC out of the way of low-level software that expected to use that high 0xFEE00000 address for something else."
1237129;1439480499;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: so amd is no cure for this nonsense ? and i'm guessing ppc is in the same boat ?
1237130;1439480505;asciilifeform;which nonsense
1237131;1439480517;asciilifeform;if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram
1237132;1439480521;asciilifeform;including nothing at all
1237133;1439480551;asciilifeform;likewise you can turn off all sources of smi (system managament interrupt) that put the machine in smm handler to begin with
1237134;1439480591;asciilifeform;(ring0 code can still trigger smi by writing particular vendor-specific magic to the southbridge, but this is in no sense a vuln)
1237135;1439480623;phf;also relevant https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole
1237136;1439480624;assbot;xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsPhW3 )
1237137;1439480654;pete_dushenski;"So Domas looked through Intel's sample SMM code, which is provided to firmware vendors to bake into motherboards. It turns out that pretty much all vendors use Intel's template SMM code."
1237138;1439480669;asciilifeform;the apic thing is also a snore, in the sense of NO SHIT anything that sits on the bus can read from arbitrary physical ram
1237139;1439480685;asciilifeform;including, say, your ethernet card
1237140;1439480719;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the typical application for smm is items like the screen brightness keys found on laptops
1237141;1439480746;pete_dushenski;don't forget key brightness
1237142;1439480749;phf;seems reminiscent of bios virii from back then. "if you boot this floopy..! well, no shit"
1237143;1439480758;asciilifeform;where the cpu needs to do a certain brief chore in an os-agnostic way
1237144;1439481411;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l
1237145;1439481412;assbot;Intel doubles its bounty for women and ethnic minorities • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsR4u7 )
1237146;1439481501;pete_dushenski;shinohai: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/12/serenissima-your-serenissma-2015/#comment-26215
1237147;1439481502;assbot;Serenissima Your Serenissma (2015) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRbpB )
1237148;1439481657;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237071 << congrats pete_dushenski !
1237149;1439481657;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 14:44:54; pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !
1237150;1439481676;pete_dushenski;haha thanks :D
1237151;1439481683;asciilifeform;anyone still remains who tried to build rotor, but could not ?
1237152;1439481691;asciilifeform;hanbot ?
1237153;1439481701;pete_dushenski;i am now a ~real~ man
1237154;1439481719;shinohai;awesum
1237155;1439481842;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/DDW4hTWbRYs?t=22m30s << 'to hunt is ~so~ much fun, it is a great feeling when you kill an animal. it make you feel like a ~real~ man.'
1237156;1439481843;assbot;Borat's Guide to Britain - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRT69 )
1237157;1439481908;pete_dushenski;and with that, i'm off to have my weary joints and hulking muscles massaged good and proper. adieu !
1237158;1439482736;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237135 << so, i read the slides. 1) 20MB powerpoint pdf turd?!!! wtf, people.  2) the picture which implies priv escalation is disingenuous. there is, just as i said earlier, no esclation. you gotta be in ring0 to move the apic window. NONE OF THIS SHIT WAS SECRET, how did they even get a talking slot at 'blackhat' ?
1237159;1439482736;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 15:43:43; phf: also relevant https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole
1237160;1439482991;*;BingoBoingo has a feeling asciilifeform could be the entire speaker slate at blackhat with things known since time immemorial. A few years ago I thought things being presented were novel. Now I look at the program and see loads of snore.
1237161;1439483036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one reason for this change is that ~actual~ exploits are (or are at least now thought to be) worth money.
1237162;1439483066;phf;asciilifeform: i think that's a standard blackhat fair. i think the useful part is another cubbyhole to put rootkit fallback hooks, but it's presented like an earth shattering revelation, because
1237163;1439483080;BingoBoingo;Seems people finally got the memo that if you find it you can sell it.
1237164;1439483085;asciilifeform;phf: except that my fucking ~~~486~~~ reference manual describes smm
1237165;1439483117;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it
1237166;1439483137;asciilifeform;here's an observation:
1237167;1439483170;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it << You have well founded suspicions of what happens to the unannoited who sell
1237168;1439483188;asciilifeform;vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market'
1237169;1439483206;asciilifeform;where thousands of disposable 19-year-olds fight for a chance to publicly measure their cocks
1237170;1439483213;asciilifeform;while giving the goods away for almost nothing
1237171;1439483224;asciilifeform;but what they have really succeeded in is creating a 'fuck-you market'
1237172;1439483234;asciilifeform;where plenty of folks just sit on the goods, 'because fuck you'
1237173;1439483466;asciilifeform;it isn't even because i expect to meet up with folks who pay the 'fair price' at some future time,
1237174;1439483475;asciilifeform;but simply because scorched earth.
1237175;1439483489;phf;i think you have higher expectation of what should be coming out of security conferences. toorcon, schmoocon, defcon, blackhat (though i always though bh is like a grownup version) always seemed like a poc||gtfo in a face-to-face with beer format
1237176;1439483518;asciilifeform;phf: there was, at one time, considerably less flavour of scammitude and in-your-face lying
1237177;1439483583;asciilifeform;also fewer 'eiffel towers built of matchsticks' - elaborately labyrinthine 'rube goldberg' machines, like the last third of that slide deck, which ultimately sum to 'i read a 486 manual taken from a dumpster'
1237178;1439483690;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the way it presently works is that the seller is at the total mercy of the buyer. disposable 19y.o. puts up with this because he is fucked in the head. a grown man - typically - does not
1237179;1439483825;phf;when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negative desire to come up with systemati
1237180;1439483825;phf;c solutions that address problems at the core
1237181;1439483855;asciilifeform;for the record, i have never attended such an event
1237182;1439483874;asciilifeform;but occasionally read the slides, at the instigation of colleagues and various other folks
1237183;1439483879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00062104 = 13.7871 BTC [+]
1237184;1439483883;asciilifeform;it is virtually always the same kind of thing.
1237185;1439483935;asciilifeform;the point i was trying to make is that: i hypothesize that the '0day market' consists very largely of folks who are sitting on 0day and not 'marketing' at all
1237186;1439483963;asciilifeform;because they are not 19
1237187;1439483983;asciilifeform;and/or do not want to give aid and comfort to usg.
1237188;1439483984;BingoBoingo;Makes sense
1237189;1439484108;asciilifeform;a simple calculation shows that - unless one is extraordinarily lucky - the effort which goes into finding a typical vuln, vs the typical 'bug bounty' offered by, e.g., microshit, works out to approximately u.s. minimum wage.
1237190;1439484110;phf;i dunno, i think people sit on a lot of denial of service, but developing that to a working exploit takes time and unhealthy level of juvenile ocd.
1237191;1439484137;asciilifeform;phf: perhaps my perspective is a little skewed because i do hardware.
1237192;1439484185;BingoBoingo;Related http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-11056
1237193;1439484187;assbot;Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKQ5Er )
1237194;1439484230;mats;there is no systematic solution to be had
1237195;1439484247;mats;just shrinking the attack surface a bit.
1237196;1439484262;phf;i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.
1237197;1439484294;asciilifeform;phf: this labour is traditionally contracted out, aha
1237198;1439484308;asciilifeform;i know a fellow who used to work in one of those farms
1237199;1439484320;asciilifeform;they didn't even 'clearance' the slaves, as this costs far too much and eats into the margins
1237200;1439484362;asciilifeform;he was in his early 20s, iirc, and it was an upgrade from driving truck, so looked like a good job.
1237201;1439484384;phf;hehehe
1237202;1439484419;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237194 << solution to what ?
1237203;1439484419;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 16:43:50; mats: there is no systematic solution to be had
1237204;1439484514;mats;the problems phf speaks of, which I imagine are endemic vulns in software
1237205;1439484533;asciilifeform;there is always the obvious solution.
1237206;1439484554;mats;burn the thing to the ground, I know
1237207;1439484558;phf;mats: there's a systematic solution to an entire class of problems. in the poor people world perl "solved" buffer overflows on string input by closing the abstraction leak, meanwhile introducing its own leaky abstraction, i.e. string injection attacks. the solution to that problem was known for 50 years now, specifically structured/validated data
1237208;1439484567;asciilifeform;(burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)
1237209;1439484590;asciilifeform;the ultimate systemic solution is 'fits-in-head'
1237210;1439485469;mats;as I think more about it, there may yet be a software solution... will share later. asciilifeform will not like it - this involves, inevitably, a multitude of mitigations
1237211;1439485521;asciilifeform;'mitigations' in which we can make plenty of (imaginary) money digging for holes in, aha
1237212;1439485523;asciilifeform;good times.
1237213;1439485528;phf;^
1237214;1439485554;mats;this is the ship we got, and its underway. for those on it, the holes must be plugged; we cannot return to port and build anew
1237215;1439485597;asciilifeform;mats: plenty of islands to take your chances on.
1237216;1439485604;asciilifeform;sinking on the ship is - voluntary.
1237217;1439486014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24676 @ 0.00059754 = 14.7449 BTC [-] {3} 
1237218;1439486427;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237091 << if you recall, this was my original (~6 mo. ago) suggestion for how to do development on therealbitcoin. but a number of folks (chiefly mircea_popescu) did not like it. for entirely logical reasons
1237219;1439486427;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 14:56:38; funkenstein_: perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this)
1237220;1439486483;asciilifeform;then again, 99% of the time spent by folks who aren't me, thus far, appears to have been spent chasing various annoying little misconfigurations
1237221;1439486517;asciilifeform;but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd.
1237222;1439486560;phf;a deployment strategy in that case could be qemu-x86 -hda bitcoind.img -hdb /dev/blockchain_drive
1237223;1439486575;asciilifeform;slow.
1237224;1439486581;asciilifeform;this was to have been for ~development~ only.
1237225;1439486624;asciilifeform;(compile would be 50x slower, yes. but only compile.)
1237226;1439486664;phf;add OP_SIGVERIFY as an intel instruction :)
1237227;1439486672;*;phf ducks
1237228;1439486674;asciilifeform;ew
1237229;1439486721;phf;turdels all the way down
1237230;1439487173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00059323 = 17.3816 BTC [-] {2} 
1237231;1439487915;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1237232;1439487918;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XSRG62.txt )
1237233;1439488027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00059886 = 19.2833 BTC [+]
1237234;1439489064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34657 @ 0.00059381 = 20.5797 BTC [-] {3} 
1237235;1439489735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39023 @ 0.00059323 = 23.1496 BTC [-]
1237236;1439490631;asciilifeform;!up Belxjander
1237237;1439490642;asciilifeform;Belxjander: AmigaOS ?!
1237238;1439490978;mats;anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI
1237239;1439491003;mats;this works better than suggesting folks write code in ocaml, erlang, haskell, etc...
1237240;1439491046;mats;and more reasonable than casting sailors to islands filled with savages
1237241;1439491132;asciilifeform;holy fuck is mats telling us now that winblowz can be lived with ?
1237242;1439491177;mats;i didn't say that. but _the cost of attack can still be substantially increased_
1237243;1439491211;asciilifeform;the cost of dredging up an 0day from the infinite stash of stuxnetiana is still zero (for usg)
1237244;1439491225;asciilifeform;regardless of whether folks run 'lint' or whatnot on their own shit.
1237245;1439491264;mats;we have fences nao. but, what if 萬里長城 can be had?
1237246;1439491296;asciilifeform;l0
1237247;1439491297;asciilifeform;l
1237248;1439491319;mats;dunno man. maybe i'm lost in the matrix.
1237249;1439491324;asciilifeform;did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' !
1237250;1439491327;asciilifeform;why not maginot line!
1237251;1439491365;mats;hey, i've maintained that its about increasing cost. not preventing the barbarians from entering.
1237252;1439491480;asciilifeform;mats: ever play 'underhanded c contest' ?
1237253;1439491489;asciilifeform;(or at least read the medalists' entries)
1237254;1439491497;mats;yes, have read
1237255;1439491505;asciilifeform;how many of these would be caught by, e.g., 'cyclone' ?
1237256;1439491515;asciilifeform;or whatever your favourite c tool was
1237257;1439491634;mats;not many.
1237258;1439491688;asciilifeform;ergo 'mitigation' is medicine for a corpse.
1237259;1439491707;asciilifeform;now, if some schmuck wants to pay you to administer medicine to a corpse, go ahead.
1237260;1439491717;asciilifeform;but to advocate it as some kind of actual state of the art, is another thing.
1237261;1439491809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51576 @ 0.00060814 = 31.3654 BTC [+] {3} 
1237262;1439491839;mats;well, sure. like a detective or a physician, folks attempting to write secure applications begin from a position of weakness. and rarely win.
1237263;1439491860;asciilifeform;mortician.
1237264;1439491890;mats;there are criminals to catch and people to save, regardless
1237265;1439491895;asciilifeform;http://www.coindesk.com/itbit-adds-nsa-veteran-to-advisory-board << mega-l0l
1237266;1439491896;assbot;ItBit Adds NSA Veteran to Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfuYxx )
1237267;1439491931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4231 @ 0.00061194 = 2.5891 BTC [+]
1237268;1439491954;asciilifeform;mats: folks who begin from 'mitigation' position, cannot win by definition. they aren't even trying to. just to 'lose more slowly'
1237269;1439491992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00060541 = 3.3637 BTC [-] {2} 
1237270;1439492030;asciilifeform;usg's most effective weapon is the learned helplessness of schmucks who accept 'being pwned is inevitable fact of life'
1237271;1439492093;asciilifeform;see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774691 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774692
1237272;1439492093;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
1237273;1439492093;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: sheath, you have traded places with the *pederasti* - now you are sighted, and they are blind. Now you no longer struggle in the darkness with something foggy and omnipresent, which softly absorbs every blow - instead, you can now clearly make out a pathetic piece of shit, which has smeared itself over the most important part - the eyes - of a large and powerful man. You can now deal blows, directly s
1237274;1439492093;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.)
1237275;1439492134;phf;не верьне бойся не проси
1237276;1439492149;asciilifeform;pocket-sized version of same.
1237277;1439492183;asciilifeform;the poor english folks have not invented this technology yet. so gotta teach'em.
1237278;1439492195;asciilifeform;slow, painful process, like teaching the water closet to india.
1237279;1439492216;asciilifeform;it has to start out as an abstract 'don't shit in your drinking water'
1237280;1439492236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00062237 = 27.6955 BTC [+] {2} 
1237281;1439492441;phf;mats: well, i actually meant the opposite. classes of attacks can be eliminated by not using c. i think that majority of the attacks come from leaky abstractions. there's no <string> in c, but there's a null terminated memory region. there's no <sql> in perl, but there's a character array with sql text in it. one of the solutions is to plug abstraction holes on a level of the language, in such a way that you can't not use improved abstractions
1237282;1439492521;phf;e.g. sql_execute takes character arrays. if your sql_execute took ASTs instead, well, in that case you can't violate the assumptions of the abstraction
1237283;1439492562;phf;traditional infosec solution to problems like that is a proactive bandaid and then yelling at people for not using bandaid appropriately
1237284;1439492589;mircea_popescu;phf iirc this theory was variously tried and failed to deliver.
1237285;1439492602;mircea_popescu;it turns out that the sort of people who write good code write it in asm for a z80 or in c
1237286;1439492607;mircea_popescu;and the rest can not be mechanically helped.
1237287;1439492610;phf;in the sql example, it's sql_execute('select * from ' + sql_var_sanitize(variable)). naturally people keep forgetting the sql_var_sanitize
1237288;1439492630;mircea_popescu;so the solution remains to plug the holes in the heads. either alf style, with bullets, or else wot style, or somehow unknown yet.
1237289;1439492651;mircea_popescu;but there's nothing "naturally" about stupidity.
1237290;1439492659;mircea_popescu;do people naturally forget to breathe ?
1237291;1439492707;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if we don't have history to learn from.
1237292;1439492725;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/3gus46/did_anyone_take_mircea_popescus_offer_hed_need/ << reddit has circlejerk. somehow it fails to read "oh shit, if only we had any money then. or now" and isntead reads "oh how mp is bad mkay"
1237293;1439492727;assbot;Did anyone take Mircea Popescu's offer? He'd need more than 25000 BTC to settle his bet now... : ethtrader ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfxx2J )
1237294;1439492736;asciilifeform;i was playing with a hp200lx, it is orders of magnitude more responsive than 'iPnohe' etc. for note taking, text editing, spreadshits, etc
1237295;1439492743;asciilifeform;and runs msdos, even. complete with xmm!
1237296;1439492755;asciilifeform;pair of 'aa' cells runs it for a MONTH
1237297;1439492764;asciilifeform;and doesn't crash.
1237298;1439492793;mircea_popescu;but i liked the part about "he abandoned twitter so is no longer reachable"
1237299;1439492806;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the top google result for i will pay for your tits is still me.
1237300;1439492823;ag3nt_zer0;good afternoon
1237301;1439492830;mircea_popescu;ello
1237302;1439492845;asciilifeform;'I sort of hope she crashed and burned on this one..'
1237303;1439492852;asciilifeform;l0l, we all knew!
1237304;1439492885;asciilifeform;hanbot you can turn off the android now
1237305;1439492892;mircea_popescu;kids today. a myopic.
1237306;1439492893;asciilifeform;we learned the seekrit.
1237307;1439492904;mircea_popescu;waitwut ?
1237308;1439492916;asciilifeform;the 'mircea is a gurl' meme lives on, in that thread
1237309;1439492922;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: a while back we were having an exchange about tienanmen and it's relation (or non) to the fall of the wall... I have looked a bit in the direction you indicated but haven't found so much... you got any rcommended paths for that ?
1237310;1439492934;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: learn ru or mandarin
1237311;1439492939;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: srsly.
1237312;1439492958;mircea_popescu;lol
1237313;1439492959;mats;tiananmen sq literally does not matter to anybody but english readers
1237314;1439492965;phf;mircea_popescu: yeah, i've not reevaluated it since the last time i thought it, which was 2005 or so
1237315;1439492979;asciilifeform;(if you are specifically interested in cn matters, mandarin. if you just want to unplug from the idiot anglo cultural matrix, ru.)
1237316;1439492994;mircea_popescu;phf don't get me wrong, i'd love for it to work. i'd also love for the "not beating kids makes them smarter" and "all education should consist of is encouragement" nonsense to work.
1237317;1439493001;mircea_popescu;was fashionable (in russia, too) coupla decades ago.
1237318;1439493003;mircea_popescu;sadly...
1237319;1439493060;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 you have to understand that this entire "market" thing is more of a DoS thing than a local thing. there isn't a substantial similarity between ukraina and china that makes both appear in the press you read as "so and so square".
1237320;1439493082;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: it matters to cn only in the sense that your body killing a particular bacterium you ate last night matters to you.
1237321;1439493125;mircea_popescu;the notion that people in china dislike their government to any degree is not unlike claiming that there's going to be a peasant revolt that'll shoot stalin', where stalin' = stalin - 99.9% of the killings.
1237322;1439493137;mircea_popescu;it's rank nonsense, they love it (perhaps for good reason) like you love washington.
1237323;1439493139;asciilifeform;usg tried to 'orange revolution', failed. tries again every day since.
1237324;1439493145;ag3nt_zer0;haha
1237325;1439493246;mircea_popescu;but re the languages thing : both ru and cn have ~their own~ idiot matrices.
1237326;1439493253;phf;mircea_popescu: my russian education was downright abusive by u.s. standards. or you're talking eton style mandatory beatings?
1237327;1439493259;mircea_popescu;so no : you can not be mechanically helped.
1237328;1439493266;asciilifeform;cn, like ru, has plenty of experience (which arguably neither ever fully recovered from!) of being ruled by foreign yoke
1237329;1439493272;mircea_popescu;phf no no, i dunno if you ever met these or not, but
1237330;1439493289;mircea_popescu;right after the 90s these "englightened" folks started to pop up, usually looking just like steve jobs
1237331;1439493294;mircea_popescu;with betterment ideas and whatnot.
1237332;1439493301;mircea_popescu;this communicate anything ?
1237333;1439493305;mircea_popescu;it was almost like a cult, of sorts.
1237334;1439493357;mircea_popescu;one of the fringes of "intellectual" throughout the period.
1237335;1439493358;scoopbot_revived;Montreal Expo Postponed For Lack of Sponsors http://qntra.net/2015/08/montreal-expo-postponed-for-lack-of-sponsors/
1237336;1439493467;phf;no, my school was ran by a strong georgian woman pretty much on her terms. 35A 35B starting classes were reduced to 12A 15B by 12th grade, through gentle "your kid is just not right for this place. i suggest you remove him, because it might get very HARD for him to study here very soon"
1237337;1439493530;mircea_popescu;well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools"
1237338;1439493543;mircea_popescu;the societal consensus being at the time that "to the best worker belong the best tools"
1237339;1439493553;*;asciilifeform was always envious of his elder brother, who did all ten grades in the proper school.
1237340;1439493564;mircea_popescu;this was a major thought cleavage, which i noticed at the time, and i noticed that people were actually visibly... peculiar about other things.
1237341;1439493565;ag3nt_zer0;okay thanks for the byzantine feedback
1237342;1439493568;*;asciilifeform did all but two grades in the land of mordor
1237343;1439493569;mircea_popescu;but maybe just my anecdote
1237344;1439493575;ag3nt_zer0;I wouldn't want it any other way
1237345;1439493619;mircea_popescu;to my eyes what separates these is a major chasm.
1237346;1439493656;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237000 << how's this different from being affraid of being gay ?
1237347;1439493656;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 09:36:42; cazalla: guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave
1237348;1439493678;mircea_popescu;poor old guy, gets isolated because people are getting incredibly weirder, and then when he tries to break out that's grounds for further isolation ?
1237349;1439493689;mircea_popescu;roast a fuckjing rabbit take it over or something sane.
1237350;1439493758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237014 << whiole that lasts.
1237351;1439493758;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 09:59:16; shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.
1237352;1439493804;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools" << now, if it were simply a matter of strength and weakness, one could argue that 'more folks could dig well with bulldozer than with spade'
1237353;1439493807;asciilifeform;but it isn't
1237354;1439493823;asciilifeform;it is really a matter of 'malicious twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade'
1237355;1439493845;mircea_popescu;maybe not that far, but certainly in between the two.
1237356;1439493859;asciilifeform;illustration of overall direction.
1237357;1439493866;mircea_popescu;how about
1237358;1439493875;mircea_popescu;'malignant twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade'
1237359;1439493876;mircea_popescu;i can see that.
1237360;1439493902;mircea_popescu;bbs
1237361;1439493930;ag3nt_zer0;on another note I was doing some reading on the history of astrology yesterday and came across the "fact" that originally, in mesopotamia, what became astrology began as a simple catalog of omens, reflected in "if this, then that" statements... this avenue was state-sponsered too... just got me thinking of the "evolution" of this logic and how these same statements are now applied to exclusively reductionist pragmatic mat
1237362;1439493934;asciilifeform;for instance, when my brother was a uni student and took 'operating systems', they were stuck testing on actual 486 and reboot, reboot, 500 times a day with precious little meaningful output
1237363;1439493944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7671 @ 0.00062236 = 4.7741 BTC [-] {2} 
1237364;1439493951;asciilifeform;when i was, decade later, we had proper emulator
1237365;1439493968;asciilifeform;imagine, i thought, what an advance, you can finally emulate a proper pc on itself
1237366;1439493977;asciilifeform;what bug could survive
1237367;1439493984;asciilifeform;but no such thing, of course, ever happened.
1237368;1439494040;asciilifeform;instead emulator (and, more often, its optimized sibling, virtualizator) is used to host ten thousand instances of lolcat server on one poor intel box
1237369;1439494040;phf;mircea_popescu: i see the parallels, yeah i was insulated from that sort of mentality, but i was also insulated from the stupid and the lazy
1237370;1439494051;phf;the idea that "would do better job with better tools" applies very differently when you're dealing with people who are already operating at near capacity and would benefit from a better tool
1237371;1439494057;asciilifeform;^
1237372;1439494069;asciilifeform;my entire blog, all ~7+ years of it, is about this.
1237373;1439494268;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1237374;1439494798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46040 @ 0.00061018 = 28.0927 BTC [-] {3} 
1237375;1439495004;jurov;https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11305478975/in/album-72157638544764936/ lol
1237376;1439495009;assbot;Image taken from page 582 of 'The United States of America. A study of the American Commonwealth, its natural resources, people, industries, manufactures, commerce, and its work in literature, science, education and self-government. [By various authors.] | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQIWDy )
1237377;1439495031;jurov;britishlibrary released zillions of pics
1237378;1439495530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46665 @ 0.00059558 = 27.7927 BTC [-] {3} 
1237379;1439496956;mats;http://blog.exodusintel.com/2015/08/13/stagefright-mission-accomplished
1237380;1439496957;assbot;Stagefright: Mission Accomplished? | Exodus Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnLhqW )
1237381;1439496994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27398 @ 0.00059486 = 16.298 BTC [-]
1237382;1439497055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26596 @ 0.00060811 = 16.1733 BTC [+] {5} 
1237383;1439497177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00059294 = 17.1656 BTC [-] {3} 
1237384;1439497191;mats;if you're the guy pissing double digit share orders in the mpoe book, you suck
1237385;1439497480;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237379 << l0l!
1237386;1439497480;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 20:15:56; mats: http://blog.exodusintel.com/2015/08/13/stagefright-mission-accomplished
1237387;1439497510;asciilifeform;'In summary, the Stagefright disclosure process was an interesting one to observe. The (un)surprising outcome being that given all the exposure this vulnerability received combined with essentially infinite resources on the vendor side, effective security mitigations were still not deployed.'
1237388;1439497547;mats;project0 too busy chasing the sexy bugs
1237389;1439497612;asciilifeform;'Despite our notification (and their confirmation), Google is still currently distributing the faulty patch to Android devices via OTA updates.'
1237390;1439497620;asciilifeform;Run Moar Turdroid !
1237391;1439497665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00059167 = 6.1534 BTC [-] {3} 
1237392;1439497901;asciilifeform;'For example, if a malicious MP4 is crafted with a chunk_size of 0x1ffffffff (notice this is larger than a 32-bit value) the faulty overflow check will be bypassed because chunk_size > SIZE_MAX. Next, chunk_size is added to size. If size is any value greater than 0, an integer overflow will occur. If, for instance, size is 1, the addition will result in a value of 0x200000000, which is larger than a 32-bit value. The following
1237393;1439497902;asciilifeform; call to the new operator will truncate that value down to fit into a 32-bit integer, thus allocating an undersized buffer. Subsequently, chunk_size worth of data is read into this undersized buffer. Even if the value is truncated to 32-bits, the function will still read 0xFFFFFFFF bytes into the buffer, leading to a heap overflow...'
1237394;1439497923;asciilifeform;aaaaand i'm still a loonie for calling for, among other things, a cpu with hardware bounds checking.
1237395;1439497927;asciilifeform;y'know, like they had in 1978.
1237396;1439497971;asciilifeform;the less room for 'oops', the harder it is for scoundrels to masquerade as imbeciles.
1237397;1439497999;asciilifeform;(mircea_popescu's eternal question re: why do we have imbeciles programming computers is a valid but separate question)
1237398;1439498113;mats;race ya to the bottom.
1237399;1439498199;*;trinque adjusts his tin foil hat
1237400;1439498208;trinque;the amount of time it takes to "fix" things like this is... notable
1237401;1439498218;trinque;stuxnet patch, same
1237402;1439498230;asciilifeform;trinque: afaik, stuxnet ~still~ works
1237403;1439498251;trinque;yeah, that's what I've read
1237404;1439498277;asciilifeform;would be interesting to learn how it contacts the apparently-dead c&c boxes
1237405;1439498293;asciilifeform;prolly reroute of traffic out of .ir at the backbone
1237406;1439498296;asciilifeform;to 'magic' routes
1237407;1439498311;trinque;interesting thought
1237408;1439498312;asciilifeform;where the old hosts still resolve to something working
1237409;1439498343;asciilifeform;(alternatively, vuln is kept alive for some nth-generation revised variant that never lost contact)
1237410;1439498499;mats;i met a guy that took abacus classes and placed p high at competitions in junior high
1237411;1439498525;mats;he did a buncha 3x5 (digit) calculations for me to prove he could do it, i was impressed
1237412;1439498542;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled abacus.
1237413;1439498557;asciilifeform;but a decent stage magician can do 3x5 mentally in a few sec.
1237414;1439498566;asciilifeform;(digits)
1237415;1439498570;mats;in his head, mind you: i spat out e.g. 253 * 35923 and it took him ~3s to give me an answer
1237416;1439498575;asciilifeform;aha then
1237417;1439498589;trinque;I'll take a machine for that
1237418;1439498598;mats;wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering
1237419;1439498627;asciilifeform;!s trachtenberg
1237420;1439498627;assbot;4 results for 'trachtenberg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trachtenberg
1237421;1439498630;asciilifeform;^ one source
1237422;1439498666;mats;saved
1237423;1439498709;trinque;alt-T py<tab><ent> 253*35923<ent>
1237424;1439498720;trinque;probably ~3sec
1237425;1439498830;kakobrekla;hm when i was a kid a had a base2 wrist watch
1237426;1439498844;kakobrekla;it wasnt long before pattern recognition kicked in
1237427;1439498850;kakobrekla;and i wasnt doing any more math.
1237428;1439498946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13423 @ 0.00062387 = 8.3742 BTC [+]
1237429;1439499183;trinque;yeah, I had a hex clock on my taskbar for a bit
1237430;1439499190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38228 @ 0.00062366 = 23.8413 BTC [-] {2} 
1237431;1439499211;trinque;why? probably nothing more than social signaling... "omg s0 1337"
1237432;1439499314;kakobrekla;to impress the gurlz!
1237433;1439499339;trinque;lol, ey girl check out my leet hax
1237434;1439499344;trinque;*panties disintegrate*
1237435;1439499346;kakobrekla;mhm
1237436;1439499881;*;asciilifeform invites somebody to try retesting a phuctored key, e.g., http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279
1237437;1439499886;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpDYsu )
1237438;1439499969;asciilifeform;^ this change is unfortunately necessary.
1237439;1439500044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00062414 = 23.374 BTC [+] {2} 
1237440;1439500288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00062415 = 13.9185 BTC [+]
1237441;1439500320;jurov;!mpif
1237442;1439500322;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021525 B (Total: 427.66 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1237443;1439500328;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1237444;1439500328;assbot;Are you sure you have no tobacco?
1237445;1439500335;jurov;!t m x.eur
1237446;1439500335;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00383684 / 0.00383761 / 0.00383776 (70 shares, 0.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00383637 / 0.00383789 / 0.00384028 (862 shares, 3.31 BTC), 30D: 0.0035 / 0.0038522 / 0.00397942 (5634 shares, 21.70 BTC)
1237447;1439500471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00062415 = 18.9742 BTC [+]
1237448;1439500838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0006236 = 23.9151 BTC [-]
1237449;1439501342;trinque;bwahaha assbot askin for smokes?!
1237450;1439502545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39198 @ 0.00062899 = 24.6552 BTC [+] {5} 
1237451;1439503418;BingoBoingo;Equalitits http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article31009581.html
1237452;1439503419;assbot;New IHSA ‘success factor’ rule has Mater Dei volleyball in the state’s biggest playoff class | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3f3vM )
1237453;1439503827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0006236 = 14.7793 BTC [-]
1237454;1439506745;phf;<assbot> начальник, папароски не найдется
1237455;1439507059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00063006 = 20.8865 BTC [+]
1237456;1439507974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00062412 = 17.2881 BTC [-]
1237457;1439508950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3808 @ 0.00063006 = 2.3993 BTC [+]
1237458;1439509682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12864 @ 0.00063006 = 8.1051 BTC [+]
1237459;1439510725;mircea_popescu;ahh
1237460;1439510902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00062412 = 34.8883 BTC [-]
1237461;1439511634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00063006 = 3.2133 BTC [+]
1237462;1439511690;mircea_popescu;overheard in #eulora : <diana_coman> the middle road is shit
1237463;1439511691;mircea_popescu;win.
1237464;1439511703;mircea_popescu;media cacorea.
1237465;1439511967;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237047 << purely formal approach to life. about at the level of intellectual maturity of pubers that scribble down their name + sexual interest's.
1237466;1439511967;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 14:02:03; asciilifeform: wtf is the point.
1237467;1439511970;mircea_popescu;it... DOES SOMETHING
1237468;1439511984;mircea_popescu;if you draw hearts or explosions or w/e around it, even better/
1237469;1439512004;mircea_popescu;obviously once rigurous education is abandoned, the whole of society reverts to a "tribe of monkeys" levels.
1237470;1439512041;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237054 << i thought you were a reverse engineering hacker, what scammery is is this!
1237471;1439512041;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 14:06:12; asciilifeform: i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with.
1237472;1439512122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00063006 = 9.6399 BTC [+]
1237473;1439512139;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237078 << "humans are not animals" is in the vein of "crickets are not bugs - they also sing."
1237474;1439512139;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 14:46:10; funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
1237475;1439512166;mircea_popescu;there's an elided [just] in there, which the illiterately-literate have no idea about.
1237476;1439512347;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.
1237477;1439512347;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 15:41:57; asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram
1237478;1439512446;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237144 << this is so retarded. so if i'm in the business of selling 0 days i better hire anothr white man to keep a stable of enslaved african women to provide me with for the purpose of arbitraging this insanity ?
1237479;1439512446;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 15:56:51; asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l
1237480;1439512466;mircea_popescu;why is the usg so insistent in pushing its "private" agencies into forcing slavery on random people ?
1237481;1439512576;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up.
1237482;1439512576;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 16:25:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it
1237483;1439512594;mircea_popescu;we can even have a "usg affiliated entities pay 4x, people not in wot pay 2x."
1237484;1439512610;mircea_popescu;can be cummulative.
1237485;1439512738;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237179 << i am broadly in agreement with him. last time i went to one there was a pr&modelling conference nearby and i ended up just hanging out with the gals.
1237486;1439512738;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 16:37:05; phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negati
1237487;1439512770;mircea_popescu;decade+ ago
1237488;1439512878;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237196 << this is completely imaginary. the nsa can't hire enough talent to keep its own systems running safely. printing money does not help in any sense, if they got a 10x budget approved they't just pay the same people within maybe 5% ~8-9x more.
1237489;1439512878;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 16:44:22; phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.
1237490;1439512966;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237208 << this is homomorphic to "exclude everyone currently involved".
1237491;1439512966;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 16:49:27; asciilifeform: (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)
1237492;1439512976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50350 @ 0.00063027 = 31.7341 BTC [+] {3} 
1237493;1439513076;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237221 << upside is massive but hard to quantify. upside is that we HAVE FOUND THE HOLES IN GCC! upside is that we know what to say about linux, and why we're saying it. upside is that we have rotor, and that we know why nobody without a rotor has a chance. upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you".
1237494;1439513076;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 17:21:57; asciilifeform: but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd.
1237495;1439513105;mircea_popescu;just like the upside of picking sane girls to fuck isn't "that hot blondie" but "i fucked over a thousand women in my life, most of whose names i don't remember, and yet i never had a venereal disease". that's the upside.
1237496;1439513199;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237238 << it is particularly NOT possible to kill memory corruption in C.
1237497;1439513199;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 18:36:18; mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI
1237498;1439513215;mircea_popescu;there's all sorts of ways to make you feel better about it, tho.
1237499;1439513319;mircea_popescu;wanli changcheng omfg so THIS is how it feels when people use languages you don't know.
1237500;1439513320;mircea_popescu;sucks.
1237501;1439513375;mircea_popescu;think about it mats : if great wall "can't be had", if the statement is correct, there's something fundamentally wrong not merely with your fences, but with the idea of making one and more importantly with the process that results in this perceived need.
1237502;1439513397;mircea_popescu;there's a reason people who only have sewer water don't take hot baths in it.
1237503;1439513428;mircea_popescu;if you can't have clean water, not only is it that you can't take a hot bath - it's that you couldn't conceivably want to.
1237504;1439513586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00063172 = 9.0968 BTC [+] {2} 
1237505;1439513605;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237249 << iirc, the idea wasn';t that it'll keep anyone out. it was that it'll keep the invaders IN long enough, especially if loaded with booty, to make the whole thing impracticable.
1237506;1439513605;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 18:42:04; asciilifeform: did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' !
1237507;1439513670;mircea_popescu;in the sense that yes they could come out of ANYWHERe, and make a hole anywhere, but then had to spend time to loot, and then had to come back AT THE HOLE, ie not anywhere. so either take time to make a new hole or go back to where the old one was. in either case, giving the imperial army enough time to plug their ass.
1237508;1439513891;mircea_popescu;or well... at least in times when the imperial administration was any good.
1237509;1439514135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00063173 = 1.3898 BTC [+]
1237510;1439514307;mircea_popescu;and omg where is everyone
1237511;1439514315;mircea_popescu;are you partying without me ?
1237512;1439514379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5793 @ 0.00063174 = 3.6597 BTC [+] {2} 
1237513;1439514440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00063456 = 1.8129 BTC [+]
1237514;1439514444;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 gentoo was a sucess \o/
1237515;1439514444;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1237516;1439514623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00063456 = 10.851 BTC [+]
1237517;1439514774;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237505 << yes. you are the first white person i have encountered that knows this
1237518;1439514774;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 00:53:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237249 << iirc, the idea wasn';t that it'll keep anyone out. it was that it'll keep the invaders IN long enough, especially if loaded with booty, to make the whole thing impracticable.
1237519;1439514872;mircea_popescu;well it's spreading now :p
1237520;1439514942;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237476 << unlike, e.g., bitcoin, coreboot is deadly easy to build
1237521;1439514942;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.
1237522;1439514967;asciilifeform;actually resembles 'buildroot' and the grandfather, naturally - linux kernel
1237523;1439514984;asciilifeform;(complete with ncurses menuconfig)
1237524;1439515015;mircea_popescu;this does not matter.
1237525;1439515017;asciilifeform;just about everything there is to say about it would fit in a paragraph... let's see:
1237526;1439515035;asciilifeform;1) their www has a list of boards known to work (and ones that don't, with brief statements of ~why~)
1237527;1439515049;mircea_popescu;take the useful part out of the enemy's tendency to sit in front of things. there is actual value in the "do X, do Y, do Z, you're now done" list.
1237528;1439515053;asciilifeform;2) the job of the thing is to init the box as quickly as possible and get the fuck out of the way
1237529;1439515071;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237275 << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea+asked+you+anything || that thinbg where alf discusses the actual meaning of "who're you" which i can't now find.
1237530;1439515071;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 18:55:34; phf: не верьне бойся не проси
1237531;1439515072;assbot;5 results for 'from:mircea asked you anything' - #bitcoin-assets search
1237532;1439515087;asciilifeform;3) you can insert an arbitrary binary as payload. the most traditional payload is another item called 'seabios', which emulates typical pc bios and can even boot winblowz
1237533;1439515111;asciilifeform;!s кто ты по жизни
1237534;1439515112;assbot;0 results for 'кто ты по жизни' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE+%D1%82%D1%8B+%D0%BF%D0%BE+%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8
1237535;1439515124;mircea_popescu;odd huh
1237536;1439515147;asciilifeform;aha!
1237537;1439515238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in other news - they've made a new extra dark chocolate icecream. i can't explain it.
1237538;1439515258;asciilifeform;woah
1237539;1439515262;*;asciilifeform wantz
1237540;1439515279;mircea_popescu;goes especially well cherry cream.
1237541;1439515284;asciilifeform;mm.
1237542;1439515298;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Motherboards_supported_in_coreboot
1237543;1439515311;assbot;Supported Motherboards - coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3uZ14 )
1237544;1439515312;asciilifeform;to this i will add that pretty much anything with an amd on it will run.
1237545;1439515330;asciilifeform;and virtually nothing with an even moderately recent intel - will.
1237546;1439515366;asciilifeform;and by 'run' i mean properly, honest-to-goodness run. with all the peripherals working.
1237547;1439515417;asciilifeform;if you have a reasonably spacious (e.g., 8MB) eeprom, you can cram your favourite linux kernel right in there as payload
1237548;1439515422;asciilifeform;and dispense with 'seabios' etc
1237549;1439515445;asciilifeform;after that, a clever and patient man will take a pair of snippy-cutters
1237550;1439515452;asciilifeform;and snip the write-enable leg off.
1237551;1439515479;asciilifeform;(don't leave it floating, pull the stump to the supply rail (it is typically active-low. consult data sheet!))
1237552;1439515520;asciilifeform;if more patient still, wire it to a front-panel switch.
1237553;1439515523;asciilifeform;not rocket surgery.
1237554;1439515546;asciilifeform;http://www.thingaweak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/switches_closeup.jpg
1237555;1439515548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3vf04 )
1237556;1439515759;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237481 << this is more difficult than mircea_popescu might appreciate. for one thing, i do hardware, where merely the ~fact of~ a usable hole existing is half the secret - once you say, credibly, folks know precisely where to look; the other half of it is that i am in the wot neither of folks buying nor of folks brokering; and the third 'half' is that any attempt at this will hav
1237557;1439515759;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 00:36:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up.
1237558;1439515759;asciilifeform;e to wait for my physical jailbreak from usaschwitz..
1237559;1439515811;gernika;FYI OpenBSD w/o db patch wedged at 367850
1237560;1439515828;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise
1237561;1439515833;mircea_popescu;1 is readily surmountable by abstraction. i know how to do this. (you may think you are the first to meet the problem - you are not. scripts are sold in show biz all the time etc). 2. is readily solved, whether you like to or not, and 3 yes.
1237562;1439515839;asciilifeform;gernika: precisely where it will sit, forever, until you patch it!
1237563;1439515849;gernika;Patching...
1237564;1439515923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd be delighted to learn how 2 is solved. but the full story can wait for 3 if you like
1237565;1439515938;mircea_popescu;quite.
1237566;1439515965;*;asciilifeform more than content to wait to learn how to fly a carpet until he actually gets the carpet.
1237567;1439516050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what was the pdf to text tool ?
1237568;1439516070;asciilifeform;'pdf2txt.py' on this box
1237569;1439516095;asciilifeform;came with gentoo package 'pdfminer' iirc
1237570;1439516119;asciilifeform;there may be others
1237571;1439516146;asciilifeform;there is 'pdf2html' but it shits out a massive dir with html index and gif pages
1237572;1439516164;asciilifeform;(rides on ghostscript. any box you run it on, you may as well use a traditional displayer)
1237573;1439516195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you" << aha. precisely this.
1237574;1439516215;asciilifeform;i try to explain this point to folks and nearly always fail
1237575;1439516253;asciilifeform;'you walked, anybody can walk' 'fine. go and walk back. through the same minefield'
1237576;1439516302;trinque;right, try getting someone to pay for all the bugs you didn't put in their software
1237577;1439516309;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237496 << not without turning your 'c' into a 'half-finished bug-ridden reimplementation of ada'
1237578;1439516309;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 00:46:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237238 << it is particularly NOT possible to kill memory corruption in C.
1237579;1439516322;asciilifeform;(see, e.g., 'cyclone')
1237580;1439516329;asciilifeform;and not then, either.
1237581;1439516333;mircea_popescu;not even yeah
1237582;1439516343;mircea_popescu;it really isn't what it's for.
1237583;1439516350;asciilifeform;for massage only.
1237584;1439516406;asciilifeform;the attempts of folks who tried to 'kill mem corruption in c' are a lulzmine of their own.
1237585;1439516435;mircea_popescu;^
1237586;1439516561;mircea_popescu;that said, static allocation goes a long way. this connects to the "fixed time" discussion re rsa yest.
1237587;1439516585;mircea_popescu;specifically - the cheapest and most effective approach to security still is and remains "giving people an easier task". chief on the list of ways to achieve this,
1237588;1439516593;mircea_popescu;stop asking them to do any sort of "optimization"./
1237589;1439516598;asciilifeform;this saves you from leakage but not from corruption (you just trade heap overflow for stack if you fuckup!)
1237590;1439516614;mircea_popescu;"this program takes as much memory torun at all as it totally employs". "this program takes as much time to run every time as it takes the longest time" etc.
1237591;1439516628;mircea_popescu;yes, no sort of hard solution by any means.
1237592;1439516641;asciilifeform;but yes, when this is physically possible, it is done. in any safety-critical system
1237593;1439516647;mircea_popescu;right.
1237594;1439516662;asciilifeform;i'm also fond of cramming things in rom
1237595;1439516671;asciilifeform;go overwrite, aha.
1237596;1439516723;asciilifeform;phun phakt: 'romcc' exists. http://www.h-online.com/open/features/About-ROMCC-and-V3-746827.html
1237597;1439516723;assbot;About ROMCC and V3 - The H Open: News and Features ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7qPK3 )
1237598;1439516787;asciilifeform;(thingie which lets you build a c proggy for, i shit thee not, ~stackless+heapless~ machine. as in 0 bytes of addressable ram)
1237599;1439516801;asciilifeform;regs only.
1237600;1439516830;asciilifeform;(naturally it is a bit of a constricted subset of the language)
1237601;1439516941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00063485 = 11.586 BTC [+] {3} 
1237602;1439518161;trinque;btw, my ex-gf had no trouble with the gentoo guide aside from asking me about the definitions of a few terms
1237603;1439518183;trinque;n6: wherever you are, take note... following orders gets ya places
1237604;1439518215;mod6;trinque: nice!
1237605;1439518224;mod6;thank your ex-gf for me ;)
1237606;1439518229;trinque;heh will do
1237607;1439518235;trinque;and she says thanks for the guide
1237608;1439518269;mod6;cool. glad she tested it for us.
1237609;1439518279;trinque;her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"
1237610;1439518285;trinque;I told her that was exactly the right ordering of the two
1237611;1439518344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16830 @ 0.00063541 = 10.694 BTC [+] {2} 
1237612;1439518358;trinque;I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens
1237613;1439518380;trinque;watch her end up lapping me
1237614;1439518400;mats;why not sicp
1237615;1439518431;trinque;actually I misspoke, put The Little Schemer in her hands first
1237616;1439518436;trinque;so you're right, scheme's a good choice
1237617;1439518608;trinque;oh hey, this is cool https://xuanji.appspot.com/isicp/
1237618;1439518609;assbot;Interactive SICP ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb0ej1 )
1237619;1439518649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00063546 = 2.5418 BTC [+] {2} 
1237620;1439519137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00062555 = 8.1322 BTC [-]
1237621;1439519151;trinque;http://sicp.shithouse.tv/
1237622;1439519152;assbot;sicp ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb15Ak )
1237623;1439519197;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath
1237624;1439519288;mats;there doesn't appear to be anything actually interactive there
1237625;1439519317;mod6;Well, unless you count submitting the answers to the exercises.
1237626;1439519329;trinque;mats: https://xuanji.appspot.com/isicp/1-1-elements.html
1237627;1439519330;assbot;iSICP 1.1 - The Elements of Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb1mTL )
1237628;1439519333;mats;oh. i was expecting some kind of output
1237629;1439519334;mod6;And it looks like you can take notes or something
1237630;1439519335;trinque;the examples are editable
1237631;1439519369;trinque;and you have to click outside the editor box, which is lame
1237632;1439519370;mod6;Oh, i didn't notice you could actually edit the examples. neat.
1237633;1439519395;mod6;oh i just deleted a ')', im screwed.
1237634;1439519430;trinque;mod6: here ya go )
1237635;1439519430;mircea_popescu;lawl
1237636;1439519446;mod6;thx trinque ;]
1237637;1439519625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30805 @ 0.00062459 = 19.2405 BTC [-] {3} 
1237638;1439519651;gernika;Does it take a while to get past 367850?  Or might I still be stuck...
1237639;1439519732;mod6;do you have the maxint_locks_corrected patch applied?
1237640;1439519873;gernika;mod6 I applied asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch
1237641;1439519876;gernika;and rebuilt, yes
1237642;1439519922;mod6;ok, good deal. just let it do its thing.
1237643;1439519948;mod6;if start to see repeating errors in debug.log let us know.
1237644;1439520348;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237609 << let me know if you discover either of these. i've always wanted.
1237645;1439520348;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 02:11:19; trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"
1237646;1439520438;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237612 << if you think therealbitcoin without rotor is rough, you haven't tried common lisp without emacs+slime...
1237647;1439520438;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 02:12:38; trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens
1237648;1439520479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00063597 = 16.6624 BTC [+] {3} 
1237649;1439520493;asciilifeform;i suspect that 99% of folks who think they 'hate lisp!111!!111' were created by the harmful delusion that any meaningful work can be done without emacs+slime or the exact equivalent
1237650;1439520521;asciilifeform;(asking folks to, e.g., match parens or indent by hand is ~retarded~)
1237651;1439520563;asciilifeform;^ or to program in cl without a button that evaluates the current set of parens your cursor is in
1237652;1439520582;asciilifeform;or 101 other essential knobs
1237653;1439520604;asciilifeform;yes, ancestors did not have these. they also lacked water closet.
1237654;1439520616;trinque;asciilifeform: told her as much, lol! right question! sadly, only horribly approximate answers
1237655;1439520642;trinque;I've walked her through setting up both emacs and slime
1237656;1439520647;trinque;she's rather sharp, taking to it well
1237657;1439520713;asciilifeform;in other news, filipinos hard at wurk! >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gutfp/if_youre_not_running_a_node_youre_not_really/
1237658;1439520715;assbot;"If you're not running a node, you're not really using Bitcoin." u/luke-jr : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb3nPT )
1237659;1439520728;asciilifeform;'I admit there is value in running a node/mining, but certainly a community that claims to favor freedom should have the ability (and courage) to welcome a diverse range of users, even if they don't meet some arbitrary standard set by an elitist insider.'
1237660;1439520739;asciilifeform;i can't wait for one of these tards to accidentally publish his madlibs template
1237661;1439520749;asciilifeform;like those comment sp4mz0rz on mircea_popescu's site
1237662;1439520769;trinque;tyranny!
1237663;1439520771;trinque;o mai gad
1237664;1439520790;mircea_popescu;onoes, happenings happen ?
1237665;1439520791;asciilifeform;'...redefining "bitcoin user" so that less than 1% of bitcoin holders are anointed as 'Real Users'. Enough already. It smells like tyranny, it looks like tyranny - it IS tyranny. And Bitcoin, more than any other community, should overthrow these flawed attempts at governance. Where a minority holds the rest hostage.'
1237666;1439520794;asciilifeform;pure gold
1237667;1439520825;mircea_popescu;"Remember, bitcoin works through consensus by code. Not consensus by CODERS."
1237668;1439520830;mircea_popescu;except no, it doesn't. but anyway.
1237669;1439520839;mircea_popescu;wtf does "consensus by code" even mean.
1237670;1439520869;asciilifeform;wrong question. what does a screen full of static snow 'mean' ?
1237671;1439520887;asciilifeform;shannonizers don't create meaning
1237672;1439520899;asciilifeform;but lulz, yes, create.
1237673;1439520907;asciilifeform;like watching clouds.
1237674;1439520947;trinque;reduces to "I matter" and I suppose any living thing making a sound is also saying that
1237675;1439520974;asciilifeform;i am reading this to the tune of billions of living things each saying 'i matter i matter chirp i matter'
1237676;1439520988;trinque;haha
1237677;1439521028;asciilifeform;!s brekekekekex
1237678;1439521029;assbot;0 results for 'brekekekekex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brekekekekex
1237679;1439521029;mircea_popescu;well... the thing ius, crickets and frogs and whatnot, which do EXACTLY this, do it to reproduce, and succeed in reproducing.
1237680;1439521035;mircea_popescu;i dunno redditard fucks as a result.
1237681;1439521066;asciilifeform;insect will chirp just so when in a killing jar.
1237682;1439521070;asciilifeform;ergo reddit.
1237683;1439521089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00063451 = 9.6128 BTC [-] {3} 
1237684;1439521150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2216 @ 0.00063406 = 1.4051 BTC [-]
1237685;1439521563;asciilifeform;;;google brekekekex koax koax
1237686;1439521564;gribble;Aristophanes, Frogs, line 225: <http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Aristoph.%20Frogs%20230>; Word of the day – Brekekekex (Βρεκεκέξ) | Omniglot blog: <http://www.omniglot.com/blog/?p=280>; koax koax brekekekex (finaly) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhcdbST_YI>
1237687;1439522065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00063649 = 2.1641 BTC [+]
1237688;1439523590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00063331 = 7.9797 BTC [-] {3} 
1237689;1439524627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00062753 = 6.5891 BTC [-]
1237690;1439527210;scoopbot_revived;Fefeleaga. http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/
1237691;1439528470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00063649 = 2.6733 BTC [+]
1237692;1439528958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00063649 = 1.2093 BTC [+]
1237693;1439530489;trinque;a deeply moving story. thanks for translating.
1237694;1439530788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00062424 = 11.049 BTC [-] {5} 
1237695;1439531717;BingoBoingo;Oh the reddardation https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gxa2f/the_blocksize_debate_is_due_to_limited_upload/
1237696;1439531719;assbot;The blocksize debate is due to limited upload bandwidth. A hardfork could fix this: by allowing 10 minutes for *all* nodes to upload their blocks into a "blockpool" (so nodes with slow internet have a chance too), and then *randomly* select one block as the "winner" to append to the blockchain. : Bi ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mrg9IM )
1237697;1439532044;mircea_popescu;omfg
1237698;1439532138;BingoBoingo;I don't even think the asciilifeform phillipino theory can explain this one. USG must be farming out spam to Montessori schools nao.
1237699;1439533009;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237418 << or you could just have a multiview editor/calculator
1237700;1439533009;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 20:43:18; mats: wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering
1237701;1439533135;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237613 << is this how you say oral sex ?
1237702;1439533135;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 02:13:00; trinque: watch her end up lapping me
1237703;1439533208;trinque;haha, but of course
1237704;1439533221;trinque;I feel I've done a great service aiming her at the parentheses early
1237705;1439533304;mircea_popescu;had you aimed at her paratnthesis and made her late instead...
1237706;1439533660;BingoBoingo;http://kaplifestyle.com/blog/2015/08/13/au-naturel/
1237707;1439533661;assbot;Au Naturel ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tzeoxy )
1237708;1439533799;BingoBoingo;^ tldr; tan your sack
1237709;1439534604;ben_vulpes;sorry pete_dusheshenski, no tech support available this week
1237710;1439534636;*;ben_vulpes is working 18 hour weeks to keep a miserably mismanaged cms project from auguring into the ground at mach 2
1237711;1439534642;ben_vulpes;days
1237712;1439534643;ben_vulpes;hyu
1237713;1439534659;mircea_popescu;still cms is what people do with people's time ? in 2015 ?
1237714;1439534672;trinque;ben_vulpes: read that story about the old woman and miserable horse; it'll make ya feel better
1237715;1439534684;ben_vulpes;coracle at 290915 tho
1237716;1439534705;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: future is here
1237717;1439534721;ben_vulpes;http://right-now.shithouse.tv/
1237718;1439534722;assbot;right-now ... ( http://bit.ly/1TzhOAh )
1237719;1439534728;trinque;publishing... still JIT-htmlpiled in 2015
1237720;1439534769;ben_vulpes;jit html
1237721;1439534772;ben_vulpes;windows 10
1237722;1439534776;ben_vulpes;os x 10
1237723;1439534778;mircea_popescu;trinque o you did ?
1237724;1439534814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16271 @ 0.00062507 = 10.1705 BTC [+] {3} 
1237725;1439534828;ben_vulpes;<trinque> watch her end up lapping me << scheme is what i threw the new girl at the shop
1237726;1439534836;trinque;nice
1237727;1439534845;ben_vulpes;oh hey you should meet the new folks
1237728;1439534853;ben_vulpes;AH SHIT THIS WEEK HAS ESCAPED ME
1237729;1439534859;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes, felt that story presents a nice bottom-bound on the misery-ometer
1237730;1439534875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00063753 = 13.4838 BTC [+] {3} 
1237731;1439534879;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah can come say hi whenever
1237732;1439534889;mircea_popescu;i think so too
1237733;1439535034;ben_vulpes;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6831482/contenteditable-single-line-input << gaze ye and weep
1237734;1439535035;assbot;javascript - contenteditable single-line input - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1TziO7D )
1237735;1439535193;trinque;ben_vulpes: how does a guy know about editable divs and not disallowing wrap?
1237736;1439535223;ben_vulpes;i didn't know about editable divs today
1237737;1439535225;ben_vulpes;until today
1237738;1439535229;ben_vulpes;i still wish that i didn't
1237739;1439535253;ben_vulpes;trinque: didja get to the part where he talks about implementing a single-line rich-text-editor ?
1237740;1439535266;trinque;there's also a secret property-knocking handshake you can do to turn any div into a game of pacman
1237741;1439535269;trinque;there isn't, but why not
1237742;1439535275;ben_vulpes;pahaha
1237743;1439535279;trinque;no I bailed
1237744;1439535295;ben_vulpes;"the correct answer is to get your project manager to change the requirements"
1237745;1439535302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20392 @ 0.00063801 = 13.0103 BTC [+]
1237746;1439535318;trinque;why not float the dumb emojis over the input
1237747;1439535319;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: solidly over six?
1237748;1439535343;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
1237749;1439535344;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.2, Best ask: 265.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 265.22, 24 hour volume: 12201.37226015, 24 hour low: 262.13, 24 hour high: 267.06, 24 hour vwap: None
1237750;1439535358;ben_vulpes;hogwash
1237751;1439536583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00063801 = 7.369 BTC [+]
1237752;1439537132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7529 @ 0.00063605 = 4.7888 BTC [-]
1237753;1439537626;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> senator hurrdurr (who really seems an exact mirror image of ron paul in left colorings) is certainly out of the question, but omfg don't tell me trump takes over and does a postmodern rendition of reagan << it is going to be glorious
1237754;1439537640;ben_vulpes;i don't vote and i will vote for him
1237755;1439537643;ben_vulpes;for teh lulz
1237756;1439537681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00060969 = 5.8835 BTC [-] {2} 
1237757;1439537934;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237346 <<< i don't shave and i buzz my ever balding scalp.. i guess that makes me fearful of t3h gh3y then
1237758;1439537934;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 19:20:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237000 << how's this different from being affraid of being gay ?
1237759;1439538053;cazalla;it is a little more like being forced to wear a puffy shirt than fear of being gay
1237760;1439538671;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/thinnerbeauty/
1237761;1439538673;assbot;#ThInnerBeauty: Unleash the hidden beauty! ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnxHE9 )
1237762;1439539057;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i dunno, the one on the left looks better imo http://i.imgur.com/feDYI0V.jpg she is just about right for me minus about 10kg
1237763;1439539057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnxX69 )
1237764;1439539073;cazalla;just needs to lose a little off the belly
1237765;1439539105;BingoBoingo;Yet you will never get her to lose any of it without shame
1237766;1439539131;trinque;big asses ftw. there's a middle ground here.
1237767;1439539155;cazalla;yeah i think so too trinque
1237768;1439539171;punkman;the only good photoshop in there http://i.imgur.com/S3hVcLH.jpg
1237769;1439539171;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnxZee )
1237770;1439539178;cazalla;i dont mind fat ass and the chubby look, just no stomach over hang
1237771;1439539179;BingoBoingo;trinque: The path to a big ass is the squat rack
1237772;1439539195;trinque;it's true
1237773;1439539217;shinohai;I'd still hit it.
1237774;1439539230;cazalla;the one on the left? ah i'd pass
1237775;1439539239;cazalla;(which means i'd root her but not tell anyone here)
1237776;1439539250;cazalla;needs a few beers.. which i have being friday and all
1237777;1439539268;shinohai;I dunno cazalla if u squint your eyes and pretend she is the girl on the right ...\
1237778;1439539281;trinque;how does one pretend with his dick, may I ask
1237779;1439539287;cazalla;why is a woman dressed like that in a shopping centre anyway?
1237780;1439539326;shinohai;Pretty good shop, though the reflections don't change xD
1237781;1439539355;cazalla;her legs look skinny in the reflection eh, maybe it is a skinny to fat photo edited with adobe photoshop
1237782;1439539419;BingoBoingo;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-chicago-katrina-financial-disaster-landrieu-new-orleans-mcqueary-emanuel-pers-20150813-column.html
1237783;1439539420;assbot;Chicago, New Orleans, and rebirth - Chicago Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnydlI )
1237784;1439539424;trinque;https://i.imgur.com/huGAiKB.jpg << nothing at all wrong with the left
1237785;1439539425;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnydC8 )
1237786;1439539454;shinohai;looks like my ex wife
1237787;1439539458;shinohai;the cunt
1237788;1439539483;cazalla;of course there looks to be nothing wrong when it is a b&w photo which is dimly lit to boot
1237789;1439539605;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237476 <<< what are the differences between coreboot and libreboot?
1237790;1439539605;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.
1237791;1439539648;punkman;cazalla: coreboot supports some binary blobs n things iirc
1237792;1439539768;cazalla;i thought that was a bit of a no no?
1237793;1439539810;punkman;well it's up to you to choose what is used or not
1237794;1439539819;punkman;libreboot might also derp about licenses
1237795;1439540018;cazalla;BingoBoingo, all this fatty hate and your fondness of black chicks is making me wonder if some there is some similarity to be found here with ardent gay haters who can't get enough of the cock behind closed doors
1237796;1439540085;BingoBoingo;Black chicks that aren't fat are too damn rare. Shame and fat hate are a way to correct that with time honored social engineering.
1237797;1439540176;cazalla;i'm not so sure shame works anymore, these people are without shame
1237798;1439540205;punkman;BingoBoingo: you could go look for the hungrier ones in africa
1237799;1439540219;BingoBoingo;punkman: But AIDS
1237800;1439540269;punkman;you can get em tested
1237801;1439540277;punkman;but yeah
1237802;1439540318;shinohai;*with time honoured social engineering <<< applauds BingoBoingo
1237803;1439540517;BingoBoingo;Fat People hate is basically a suckless movement for wetware
1237804;1439540731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20967 @ 0.00060969 = 12.7834 BTC [-]
1237805;1439540796;cazalla;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e5_1439474009 happy chinese new year!
1237806;1439540797;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Massive Explosion In Tianjin,China.(New angle) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mnzf14 )
1237807;1439541179;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gutfp/if_youre_not_running_a_node_youre_not_really/
1237808;1439541180;assbot;"If you're not running a node, you're not really using Bitcoin." u/luke-jr : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnzusU )
1237809;1439541585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00062246 = 9.2124 BTC [+] {3} 
1237810;1439542254;wilbns;cazella: wow
1237811;1439542264;wilbns;cazalla*
1237812;1439542288;cazalla;wilbns, vexual?
1237813;1439542321;wilbns;no, coderwill
1237814;1439542357;wilbns;wondering how many kilotons that explosion was
1237815;1439542396;BingoBoingo;Apparently it was only in the tens of tons, no kilotons
1237816;1439542462;wilbns;https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3gsj4v/how_strong_was_the_tianjin_explosion/
1237817;1439542463;assbot;How strong was the Tianjin explosion? : askscience ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnACwC )
1237818;1439542502;wilbns;BingoBoingo: wow, can't imagine what a nuke would be like, then
1237819;1439542510;BingoBoingo;Bigger
1237820;1439542682;wilbns;a while back some people were conjecturing a mini nuke was used in yemen; video of that explosion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruiKa1GQ9jo
1237821;1439542683;assbot;Yemen War 2015 - Giant Explosion After Saudi Arabian Airstrike On Houthi Weapons Depot In Yemen - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnAPzL )
1237822;1439542829;wilbns;something about the glowing particulate and the presence of two explosions, the first of which possibly being to trigger a criticality event
1237823;1439542988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.00063117 = 43.4876 BTC [+] {7} 
1237824;1439543150;cazalla;sounds like some alex jones type shit
1237825;1439543945;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2765
1237826;1439543946;assbot;JL: Operating a Hoodrat Trading Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnCg1c )
1237827;1439544494;punkman;"To give you an idea of how desperate a retailer has to be to close  overnight, the tiny supermarket where I work, which is about half the  size of a Wal-Mart’s food section, lost 1 million dollars per year when  it closed down overnight in 2009. "
1237828;1439544534;punkman;I dunno how a "tiny" supermarket has overnight sales of 1 million
1237829;1439544880;BingoBoingo;Well over the course of a whole year
1237830;1439544928;BingoBoingo;Even niche retail can move stunning amounts of money in the gross. Just hard to do anywhere near that much net.
1237831;1439544928;scoopbot_revived;Released Clinton Email Shows Clinton Requested Book on Deleting Email http://qntra.net/2015/08/released-clinton-email-shows-clinton-requested-book-on-deleting-email/
1237832;1439545098;punkman;clearly, it wasn't a very good book
1237833;1439545152;BingoBoingo;Of course
1237834;1439545181;BingoBoingo;Probably didn't cover the part where the recipient's inbox matters too.
1237835;1439545649;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237698 <<< u no like montessori schools?
1237836;1439545649;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 06:02:18; BingoBoingo: I don't even think the asciilifeform phillipino theory can explain this one. USG must be farming out spam to Montessori schools nao.
1237837;1439545689;BingoBoingo;I'm just going off the stereotype of that being where people who've ever been punched emerged from like in that SNL skit
1237838;1439545767;cazalla;lol was just discussing enrolling kid in a montessori pre-school from 2 1/2 years onwards no less than 30m ago
1237839;1439545875;BingoBoingo;They may not be bad, but who knows
1237840;1439545878;BingoBoingo;http://www.askamanager.org/2015/08/overweight-employee-keeps-breaking-office-chairs-my-boss-wont-give-me-a-budget-and-more.html
1237841;1439545883;assbot;overweight employee keeps breaking office chairs, my boss won't give me a budget, and more — Ask a Manager ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQfiex )
1237842;1439545916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0006377 = 1.8174 BTC [+]
1237843;1439545952;cazalla;i just don't think i could toss him to the wolves in the public school system
1237844;1439545977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00060969 = 5.975 BTC [-]
1237845;1439546017;cazalla;BingoBoingo, sounds easier to sack the fat cow
1237846;1439546270;BingoBoingo;I though you had to send them to the wolve for a couple years to toughen them up a bit, but maybe save that for later
1237847;1439546415;cazalla;bit young for that, although didn't stop my own father
1237848;1439547065;BingoBoingo;I mean at some point you'll have to throw hm to the wolves for a bit lest the wolves find him anyways
1237849;1439547351;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landless_Workers%27_Movement
1237850;1439547352;assbot;Landless Workers' Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQhCCo )
1237851;1439547459;punkman;cazalla: BingoBoingo, sounds easier to sack the fat cow << what and get sued for 100x the cost of chairs?
1237852;1439547476;cazalla;i thought you could sack at will in america?
1237853;1439547631;punkman;http://www.askamanager.org/2014/05/hiring-someone-who-will-need-two-airplane-seats-when-she-travels.html
1237854;1439547633;assbot;hiring someone who will need two airplane seats when she travels — Ask a Manager ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQhToL )
1237855;1439547820;punkman;"Obviously it would be better for you both if you could discuss this  openly: she would rather not waste time if she won’t get hired, and you  would rather not reject your top candidate. Unfortunately, I don’t think you should assume  that you can safely discuss this. If you decline to hire someone after  finding out that they have a covered disability, you may expose yourself  to a lawsuit."
1237856;1439549942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12968 @ 0.0006233 = 8.083 BTC [+]
1237857;1439550308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00061875 = 13.7981 BTC [-]
1237858;1439551772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00061477 = 8.7605 BTC [-] {3} 
1237859;1439553358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00060969 = 6.7066 BTC [-]
1237860;1439553645;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-avhR0Vohg I lol'd
1237861;1439553646;assbot;Inside Egypt's Unrecognised ADHD Problem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQsbVU )
1237862;1439553911;cazalla;punkman, 30 minutes? sheeit, keep it to 3 minutes or less thxkgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLZl6vgT7HM
1237863;1439553912;assbot;The Angels - Am I Ever Gonna See Your Face Again, Live In Melbourne 1979 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQsCQ5 )
1237864;1439553931;punkman;cazalla: what you think I'm gonna watch that thing, title is enough
1237865;1439554029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12633 @ 0.00061281 = 7.7416 BTC [+]
1237866;1439554212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00061799 = 1.9467 BTC [+] {4} 
1237867;1439554299;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7IFIQk-8m0c#t=768  apparently the tourists aren't enjoying the boatloads of arabs arriving next to their resorts
1237868;1439554300;assbot;Kos Becoming Main Migrant Entry Point To Europe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPCUUa )
1237869;1439555002;cazalla;BingoBoingo, found the answer to the chair problem https://media.8ch.net/aus/src/1439553659825.jpg
1237870;1439555004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQuzMq )
1237871;1439555083;punkman;"FDA registered as a durable medical devise"
1237872;1439555249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00063395 = 4.8814 BTC [+]
1237873;1439556408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00062232 = 11.4507 BTC [-]
1237874;1439556896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063517 = 9.6546 BTC [+] {2} 
1237875;1439559275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00063794 = 32.9177 BTC [+] {4} 
1237876;1439559824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21113 @ 0.00063991 = 13.5104 BTC [+] {2} 
1237877;1439561654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00063992 = 4.7994 BTC [+]
1237878;1439561866;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237700 << get an 'hp16c'. handily beats computer for this purpose.
1237879;1439561866;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 06:16:49; assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 20:43:18; mats: wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering
1237880;1439561958;asciilifeform;(little rpn calculator that does 64-bit arithmetic - standard, conversions (bin, hex, dec, octal), shifts/rotates, masks, etc. circa 1982 iirc.)
1237881;1439562036;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237789 << libreboot supports ~10 boards, all but one of them - ancient laptops
1237882;1439562036;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 08:06:45; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237476 <<< what are the differences between coreboot and libreboot?
1237883;1439562071;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237791 << no blobs if you have a civilized (amd!) board. and the intel boards won't work, typically, even with blobs
1237884;1439562071;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 08:07:28; punkman: cazalla: coreboot supports some binary blobs n things iirc
1237885;1439562098;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that libreboot exists as a kind of sad 'hurd' to coreboot's 'linux'
1237886;1439562569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00063954 = 1.2151 BTC [-]
1237887;1439563240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00063954 = 6.907 BTC [-]
1237888;1439564033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00063308 = 5.5395 BTC [-] {3} 
1237889;1439566297;gernika;mod6: bastard blocks for roughly 10 hours now.  Perhaps I corrupted my db?
1237890;1439566301;mike_c;goddamn mircea, that was depressing
1237891;1439566329;mike_c;hopefully you've got an old romanian love poem or something to follow that up with
1237892;1439566378;mike_c;trilema traffic is going to drop by half as your readers start jumping off a cliff.
1237893;1439569218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5691 @ 0.00063051 = 3.5882 BTC [-]
1237894;1439571294;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1237895;1439571304;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/people-in-rough-neighborhoods-trade-hiv-meds-instead-of-taking-them << lulzy re: 'tide dollar'
1237896;1439571305;assbot;People in rough neighborhoods trade HIV meds instead of taking them | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBzCdW )
1237897;1439571401;chetty;mike_c: goddamn mircea, that was depressing// I thought it was heroic
1237898;1439571451;mike_c;It was something.  I kinda assumed she's killing herself at the end.
1237899;1439571488;mike_c;Can't carry rocks with no horse.
1237900;1439571522;ascii_field;chetty, mircea_popescu: story reminiscent of turgenev's Муму
1237901;1439571537;ascii_field;(where a serf drowns his dog, the only thing he ever loved)
1237902;1439571556;chetty;well perhaps she dos something other thna carry rocks now
1237903;1439571605;ascii_field;kinda assumed starvation
1237904;1439571617;ascii_field;sop, as mircea_popescu pointed out once, in east europe
1237905;1439571626;ascii_field;no worky, no eaty.
1237906;1439571652;mircea_popescu;my great-grandfather, aged 85 or so, died by taking to bed and refusing to eat anymore.
1237907;1439571654;mircea_popescu;~2 weeks.
1237908;1439571719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00063178 = 1.6426 BTC [+]
1237909;1439571774;ascii_field;i call it the gödel diet.
1237910;1439571881;mircea_popescu;chetty incidentally, i agree it was heroic.
1237911;1439571889;mircea_popescu;the reason it's sad is because wasted hero.
1237912;1439571921;mircea_popescu;not from the hero's pov, obviously, that can't be. but from my (the other's) pov.
1237913;1439571995;chetty;heros come in lots of flavors
1237914;1439572035;mircea_popescu;https://d38ls2kcjnhfdj.cloudfront.net/dfdb2088-1f04-4c5c-b9cc-3d492e289dba_d.jpg << yours is better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Agarbiceanu_Cluj.JPG
1237915;1439572037;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaN6pI )
1237916;1439572038;assbot;File:Agarbiceanu Cluj.JPG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaN6pK )
1237917;1439572230;ascii_field;i bet mircea_popescu would love 'grave of the fireflies'
1237918;1439572279;mircea_popescu;heck, i recently discovered the "northern system's" principal children's writer (hc andersen) is not know to teh northern ppls.
1237919;1439572284;mircea_popescu;matchgirl died in vain.
1237920;1439572311;ascii_field;he had a well-deserved reputation as a hack and bootlick
1237921;1439572313;ascii_field;when alive
1237922;1439572353;mircea_popescu;nevertheless.
1237923;1439572390;ascii_field;as a boy, hca gave me howling nightmares
1237924;1439572396;mircea_popescu;see ?
1237925;1439572399;ascii_field;(i had the complete worx)
1237926;1439572422;mircea_popescu;romania has (actually - had. i published a post asking for his death and he died three days later) one  too, adrian paunescu.
1237927;1439572433;mircea_popescu;most objectionable character on record, doubtlessly a fine poet.
1237928;1439572487;ascii_field;lemme guess
1237929;1439572492;ascii_field;he was your country's mayakovsky.
1237930;1439572557;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dun have the patience for animated full length features. but i did like the ... shit, what was it called. the one where the guy breaks in and murders a buncha women. one of them confronts him, in perhaps the best scene of japanese cinema
1237931;1439572576;ascii_field;at least show 'fireflies' to the gurlz
1237932;1439572586;mircea_popescu;mayakovsky was not fat.
1237933;1439572587;ascii_field;they will like.
1237934;1439572598;ascii_field;mayakovsky had the sense to eat his nagant as a young man
1237935;1439572601;ascii_field;so no, not fat.
1237936;1439572609;chetty;http://hca.gilead.org.il/girl_who.html // this was my childhood nightmare
1237937;1439572682;mircea_popescu;so no, not romania's m. romania's adonis-13, except aware.
1237938;1439572697;mircea_popescu;haha, no balm in gilead, chetty ?
1237939;1439572894;chetty;I actually dont even recall the story, just the name, and that after I read it I  wouldnt read hca again for years
1237940;1439573007;mircea_popescu;most of the kids in teh class got all angry and actively-intensive about the fefeleaga story, but the teacher had the presence of mind to point out that obviously activity of any kind will be ineffectual, and if one's inclination's obviously going to be ineffectual one's necessarily misunderstood something.
1237941;1439573025;ascii_field;wai wat?!
1237942;1439573027;ascii_field;angry?
1237943;1439573033;mircea_popescu;bless her soul, for without that it'd have ended up as yet another class of world-saving idiots.
1237944;1439573050;ascii_field;i'd imagine it was in the curriculum because 'see how they lived in pre-soviet era'
1237945;1439573057;mircea_popescu;nope. not at all.
1237946;1439573081;mircea_popescu;it had ben in the curricula in that part of the country before ferdinand. which was before charles.
1237947;1439573087;ascii_field;spiffy
1237948;1439573102;mircea_popescu;which is, as far as romanians are concerned, how hitler was invented, and the soviets are, again, just some easterners trying to be german in their retarded way.
1237949;1439573109;ascii_field;what did the idiot kids want to 'activity' ? search for starving old blind mine horses to rescue ?
1237950;1439573115;mircea_popescu;for instance.
1237951;1439573126;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1237952;1439573134;ascii_field;lulzy
1237953;1439573356;trinque;the desolation in the story is imo a healthy thing to consider.
1237954;1439573358;ascii_field;over in the land of the proper orcs, tales like this were taught with the 'constructive' aim of 'see kids, THEY want to put us back in this. yes, THEY.'
1237955;1439573364;trinque;yes, life comes to this, and no, you can't do anything about it.
1237956;1439573390;trinque;if yours doesn't, be glad, but you still end up gnarled and old, and perhaps with a few more horses
1237957;1439573397;mircea_popescu;ascii_field transylvania has the not-to-be-neglected advantage of two millenia of continual habitation. stuff like soviets barely register if at all.
1237958;1439573423;ascii_field;mircea_popescu makes it sound almost chinese
1237959;1439573425;mircea_popescu;this is the most successful sort of special pleading for the entire "resistance through culture" thing. which is why the argument can't be properly carried in english, etc.
1237960;1439573435;mircea_popescu;it is the closest thing to china outside of say greece.
1237961;1439573496;mircea_popescu;but the difference is deeply, fundamnetally palpable. i did recently "curs de langue et de civilisation europeene", by screening le gendarme et les gendarmettes (funes) and la liceale - al mare con amica de papa.
1237962;1439573510;mircea_popescu;the differences between a 1500 yo people and a 2500 yo people are marked.
1237963;1439573538;mircea_popescu;trinque gets a whole lot of it.
1237964;1439573540;jurov;only two millenia?
1237965;1439573553;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1237966;1439573578;jurov;more like, 12k (all the way from last ice age)
1237967;1439573582;mircea_popescu;eh bs.
1237968;1439573645;*;mircea_popescu has seen people wearing to work the legionnaire tunics, and knows for a fact that they were wearing the same item by the unerring sign, that they used the same points of them.
1237969;1439573666;mircea_popescu;much like you know someone's using a hammer for it being a hammer through the sign that the flat part goes to put the nail in and the fork to pull the nail back out.
1237970;1439573703;mircea_popescu;if your leg bends to match the tunic it's quite clear you're in fact wearing a tunic, not merely a similar looking apron.
1237971;1439573703;ascii_field;points ?
1237972;1439573710;ascii_field;ah
1237973;1439573718;mircea_popescu;yes. import resitance_of_medium.h
1237974;1439573737;mircea_popescu;things are not what they may be perceived to be, but what is left after washed in the acid of movement and phenomena.
1237975;1439573891;mircea_popescu;(ftr, very old peoples do survive in france as well - same places they do in the east. like the normans, say, or the gascons. much hay was made by the plains populatrons about this also, at the time they were still trying to understand themselves seriously - say 3 centuries ago)
1237976;1439573916;ascii_field;'the art of not being governed' covers same, in indochina
1237977;1439573947;mircea_popescu;the main difference between the paris horde and the bucharest horde being, of course, that the former were productive. or one should say, sufficiently productive.
1237978;1439574007;mircea_popescu;ascii_field speaking of which - weirdness like "colectivisation" etc didn't touch most of high transylvania. simply because teh people didn't do it. because wut. even some horses survived.
1237979;1439574043;ascii_field;ditto selected inaccessible parts of indochina
1237980;1439574052;ascii_field;(srsly, mega-book, worth at least a warez reading)
1237981;1439574062;mircea_popescu;aha.
1237982;1439574076;phf;old horses, dying children, gratuitous cruelty, it's like i'm back in my highschool lit class
1237983;1439574092;mircea_popescu;cruelty can't be gratuitous.
1237984;1439574109;mircea_popescu;it's back to the "what purpose does the sun serve for us, children ?"
1237985;1439574113;phf;that's not the right word
1237986;1439574114;mircea_popescu;"it fucks your mother."
1237987;1439574146;phf;small cruelty done because it can be done
1237988;1439574169;mircea_popescu;you mean, mean.
1237989;1439574187;mircea_popescu;im so distraught that word lost its principal meaning. which was - people being "people", in the reddit sense of the term.
1237990;1439574227;mircea_popescu;lowly, small, petty. mean. of mean extraction, ie, borne by mcmansion folk.
1237991;1439574231;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is interesting, and related, to inquire into the etymology of english word 'churl'
1237992;1439574250;mircea_popescu;into which you ran, like i have, by trying to translate a certain russian word ?
1237993;1439574253;phf;huh, it's right there in the dictionary too
1237994;1439574263;mircea_popescu;phf if your dictionary was made before social media, yes.
1237995;1439574424;mircea_popescu;(d'artagnan's origin is not coincidental, and the fact superman's not from the ozarks does not reflect too well on either the profundity or the perspectives of that culture)
1237996;1439574470;mircea_popescu;(and no, it can't be fixed by simply moving one's hands and MAKING him that. it has to come from the public, as an unavoidable necessity. and no, the public can't be "educated" etc)
1237997;1439574751;jurov;http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=143956261214725&w=2
1237998;1439574753;assbot;'CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlS8wG )
1237999;1439574765;jurov;"Disable support for loading LC_CTYPE locales other than UTF-8."
1238000;1439574769;phf;shalamov makes a convincing argument in a story about natalia klimova, one of the ladies that tried to assassinate stolypin, that the way for soviet regime was paved by people who read stories like fefeleaga and decided that something needs to be done. it was already 20 years of terrorism by mostly educated aristocracy children, "from vegetarianism and love thy neighbor to throwing bombs"
1238001;1439574792;ascii_field;^^^
1238002;1439574823;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1238003;1439574848;mircea_popescu;i don't think this is at all controversial. the degenerate children of a lost aristocracy are the primary fuel of the imbecillity of revolution.
1238004;1439574881;mircea_popescu;and it is why i pointed out orlov's failure in the elephant story.
1238005;1439574888;ascii_field;orwell?
1238006;1439574893;mircea_popescu;god damned it.
1238007;1439574895;mircea_popescu;yes.
1238008;1439574933;mircea_popescu;people like to lie and claim their failures are some sort of virtues. but they aren't. and the fact that those kids felt unequal to the responsibility of who they were supposed to be in this world... well...
1238009;1439574938;mircea_popescu;obviously it'll have to change then.
1238010;1439574960;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1238011;1439575046;mircea_popescu;go ahead, "make things better" for fefeleaga by what ? giving her a breadmaking machine ? a pegassus ? what are you going to GIVE her ? a job at the local airport ? a newly built apartment ?
1238012;1439575064;mircea_popescu;give asciilifeform a proper windows license while at it, so he stops having to toil with the obscure bullshit he is now.
1238013;1439575071;mircea_popescu;why not, make things better, fix the world.
1238014;1439575074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00063371 = 8.3967 BTC [+] {3} 
1238015;1439575087;mircea_popescu;would you like some double pump mocha, ascii_field ?
1238016;1439575107;ascii_field;l0l!!
1238017;1439575128;mircea_popescu;what.
1238018;1439575134;ascii_field;this was kinda the idea though. 'now ~everyone~ can be a degenerate aristocrat!'
1238019;1439575137;mircea_popescu;you laugh at your saviours to be ?
1238020;1439575143;mircea_popescu;who could have FUCKING PREDICTED.
1238021;1439575167;mod6;<+gernika> mod6: bastard blocks for roughly 10 hours now.  Perhaps I corrupted my db? << hmm. not sure? are you getting errors as opposed to just bastard blocks? maybe post last 250 lines of your debug.log and we can have a look.
1238022;1439575191;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-35.0-35.186
1238023;1439575192;assbot;Agency and other notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgdD7o )
1238024;1439575204;mircea_popescu;"Should you suddenly find yourself with enough success to, say, help significantly decrease poverty and famine in some 3rd world country, would you be prepared and ready with a game-plan"
1238025;1439575221;mircea_popescu;a GAME plan.
1238026;1439575268;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: americanism. it is customary to describe anything political in terms used in the american football, e.g., 'playbook', 'gameplan', 'huddle'
1238027;1439575277;mircea_popescu;not only customary, but proper.
1238028;1439575294;ascii_field;'punt'
1238029;1439575301;ascii_field;a few others i can't recall now.
1238030;1439575304;mircea_popescu;it is a good idea to describe anything overgrown, neotenic idiots do as "a game". because yes, they're playing.
1238031;1439575321;ascii_field;but not just any game. always that one, for some reason.
1238032;1439575340;ascii_field;(never, oddly enough, baseball. which i grew up thinking of as ~the~ american sport)
1238033;1439575344;mircea_popescu;"impostor syndrome" is how sanity is known among the playful bunch, busy play-pretending a life and daydreaming an existence. the silkworms awake./
1238034;1439575447;ascii_field;http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/51305/grant-fraud-should-i-bust-my-phd-advisor << lulzy
1238035;1439575448;assbot;Grant fraud, should I bust my PhD advisor? - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgedlB )
1238036;1439575460;mircea_popescu;heh.
1238037;1439575482;mircea_popescu;imagine the panic this raises through the 65% of phd advisors reading there
1238038;1439575484;ascii_field;'Naturally all the documentation is keep secret, but a quick Google search would reveal that one can't simultaneously work at place x, and give lectures at place y, while x and y are hours of travel away. But again the people who control the grant money only check the paperwork they are provided. Is there a bogus employment contract in my name? I don't know but I have reasons to believe so.'
1238039;1439575508;ascii_field;my current understanding is that this is sop
1238040;1439575546;ascii_field;and that virtually every major american uni has dozens of faculty, heavily overlapping with the set of most serious money-bringers, who are criminally impeachable
1238041;1439575672;gernika;mod6  didn't realize 0.5.3 didn't have -reindex, so attempted a reindex with old .dat files (backed up blkindex.dat and last blk*.dat) - so I think I'm just syncing from scratch at this point.  Not sure how useful my log would be at this point.
1238042;1439575693;ascii_field;gernika: eatblock!
1238043;1439575696;ascii_field;is our 'reindex'
1238044;1439575740;mircea_popescu;ascii_field your current understanding is strictly correct.
1238045;1439575755;mircea_popescu;all that keeps the whole body from prison is no one looking.
1238046;1439575787;ascii_field;also, srsly, wat, usg will purge 100% of academia ?
1238047;1439575802;ascii_field;no, they only purge the folks who won't play ball
1238048;1439575805;gernika;ascii_field so do something like bitcoind dumpblock i | bitcoind -datadir=somewhereelse eatblock i?
1238049;1439575827;ascii_field;gernika: blkcut for the former. but otherwise, yes.
1238050;1439575956;Adlai;ascii_field: baseball isn't the american sport, it's the american story. or something
1238051;1439575993;trinque;I don't think baseball has been the american "thing" for a generator or more
1238052;1439576005;trinque;football or "pro-wrestling"
1238053;1439576013;trinque;depending on who you ask
1238054;1439576044;ascii_field;trinque: i grew up in a kind of time warp
1238055;1439576053;mats;football and basketball, yo.
1238056;1439576054;ascii_field;expected america to look like 1940s nyc
1238057;1439576060;mats;nobody else plays these games
1238058;1439576077;trinque;yeah basketball is big
1238059;1439576083;Adlai;"world" series
1238060;1439576085;trinque;but doesn't really serve the american narrative in teh same way baseball seems to have
1238061;1439576094;trinque;ascii_field: got people of walmart instead!
1238062;1439576099;trinque;what a twist
1238063;1439576100;Adlai;trinque: please elaborate about this narrative
1238064;1439576109;trinque;Adlai: watch the sandlot
1238065;1439576129;*;Adlai glances at it, still there, full of sand
1238066;1439576176;trinque;any underdog can have his day of glory, you see
1238067;1439576219;phf;thinking about "degenerate children", the disconnect seems to be between what is advertised as a virtue in order to strengthen rule and what is genuinely required in order to remain in power. somehow eton managed to produce generations of british elite, while petergoth lyceum first class of twenty ended in the decembrist revolt (and that was 100 years before soviet revolution)
1238068;1439576295;phf;(tsarskoye selo lyceum rather)
1238069;1439576386;trinque;seems the aristocracy can't allow their children to develop foolish ideas such as being able to change reality arbitrarily, which any kid left to his own thoughts growing up in wealth will come to believe
1238070;1439576396;ascii_field;if england (and europe) had a meta-europe somewhere more west, that 'we too can become like!!111!!! if we kill our king' - then they too would have decembrist revolts
1238071;1439576414;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> expected america to look like 1940s nyc << the people who worshipped nicky mantle or w/e are long dead you know.
1238072;1439576419;mircea_popescu;micky was it ?
1238073;1439576424;trinque;micky yep
1238074;1439576467;mircea_popescu;phf there's a reason "hypocrisy" appears again and again in criticism of imperial achievement.
1238075;1439576502;mircea_popescu;and the brits had the impossible to undervalue advantage of women. they're fucking ugly, so they have to work hard. and they did - the empire only survived with them.
1238076;1439576521;phf;haha, nice
1238077;1439576564;mircea_popescu;russian women had all the subterfugial value of pelicans. at least - until the soviets invented natasha.
1238078;1439576575;mircea_popescu;natasha the spy, natasha the heavy drinker, natasha the young corpse.
1238079;1439576602;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which - there's a recent, very very bad french movie which nevertheless offers perhaps the best image of that girl.
1238080;1439576603;phf;well, first sexual revolution and "equality for womens" happened because need more workers
1238081;1439576678;mircea_popescu;da fuck was the thing called...
1238082;1439576720;mircea_popescu;choses secr�tes
1238083;1439576757;mircea_popescu;the film itself is mst3k level bad, but coralie revel does natasha to perfection.
1238084;1439576765;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, she never broke through. good actress.
1238085;1439576873;phf;there's also that whole tension, in christian nations, between "what christ taught" and what church needed in order to gain resources and prop up the power vertical. how should an aristocracy straddle that line between "kill yourself and your children for us and you'll go to haven" and "sell all you have, give alms to the poor". it seems like a lot of the aristocratic kids in the 19th century were sold the second version (with the full support a
1238086;1439576873;phf;nd encouragement of ru lit)
1238087;1439576932;mircea_popescu;eh get out. they all went to the military, they all had horses, and servants.
1238088;1439576955;mircea_popescu;if you don't learn to be a man with a horse and a servant, you're beyond help.
1238089;1439577002;mircea_popescu;and the proposition that russia was at any point "christian" anyway... yes, they use the word. it doth not mean anything akin to its english false friend. at all.
1238090;1439577136;phf;horses and servants are habitual behaviors, and i've seen it exist entirely in disconnect with the life outlook ("hypocrisy" often came to mind)
1238091;1439577162;mats;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/14/us-kaspersky-rivals-idUSKCN0QJ1CR20150814
1238092;1439577163;assbot;Exclusive: Russian antivirus firm faked malware to harm rivals - Ex-employees | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLRIxJ )
1238093;1439577180;mircea_popescu;in any case i would point out that "remaining in power" is not only the terminology of "the enemy" (which, here, means "of the idiots"), but actually meaningless. remain in power ? do we toil towards a bitcoind that can be used to what, "Remain in power" ? do i object to the amorphousness of words when i point out what definitions really are and why definitions must exist, do i object to the amorphousness of pseud-thou
1238094;1439577180;mircea_popescu;ght when i derride wikipedia to "Stay in power" ?
1238095;1439577182;mircea_popescu;what fucking power.
1238096;1439577187;mircea_popescu;the quest is to keep meaning.
1238097;1439577193;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1238098;1439577205;mircea_popescu;for all i care they, whosoever "they" is , can fix everything tomorrow and i'll be fine with it.
1238099;1439577206;ascii_field;mats: gotta love the sniveling usg lie in the headline even
1238100;1439577217;mircea_popescu;as i observed to a friend recently - if everything worked i wouldn't even care to have a name.
1238101;1439577217;ascii_field;'harm rivals' my shiny metal arse
1238102;1439577222;ascii_field;to reveal plagiarists.
1238103;1439577226;mats;lol
1238104;1439577353;mircea_popescu;phf the "habitual behaviour" is a good point.
1238105;1439577373;mircea_popescu;as the observation goes, "for every incredibly sexy woman out there, there's one guy sick and tired of looking at her asshole."
1238106;1439577439;mircea_popescu;ascii_field recall the "fake islands" medieval maps included for the purpose ?
1238107;1439577450;ascii_field;forget medievals! modern mapmakers
1238108;1439577453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00063467 = 3.5542 BTC [+]
1238109;1439577454;ascii_field;and fake roads
1238110;1439577459;mircea_popescu;well why'd it change.
1238111;1439577478;mircea_popescu;anyway, did any usg "private firm" get caught or what.
1238112;1439577484;ascii_field;but oh noez, 'to harm rivals!!!111'
1238113;1439577502;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't have a defendable position, i'm not sure i fully understand your "degenerate kids" comment, because it seems like a huge write off.
1238114;1439577527;mircea_popescu;on the plus side, i'm here, you can try various sticks.
1238115;1439578643;trinque;seems a matter of whether something beats the mind into accepting that the state of reality is entirely outside the control of a person, aside from a margin of error
1238116;1439578665;trinque;perhaps the degenerate kids scream and get whatever they want, then come of age, and are incapable of wanting anything sensible
1238117;1439578699;trinque;so it seems poverty does this; on that route, life itself chaps the back of the horse
1238118;1439578743;mircea_popescu;im not even sure its that entirely outside
1238119;1439578751;mircea_popescu;the genie will fullfill your wishes alrighty
1238120;1439578765;mircea_popescu;the problem is that the shit you think you wish for can't be. it's the problem of the shit, not of the genie.
1238121;1439578816;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5mdeyblq41qcyaeko1_400.gif
1238122;1439578817;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLVo2E )
1238123;1439578823;trinque;right, your "causes vs purposes" is a helpful tool to sort the shit, it seems to me
1238124;1439578973;phf;i don't think an aristocratic kid has to scream to get what they want, a baseline of ability is always present and taken for granted, in that sense a reddit sjw is not much different from the wealthy version of the same
1238125;1439578978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25517 @ 0.0006292 = 16.0553 BTC [-] {3} 
1238126;1439579001;trinque;I dunno if that's an aristocratic kid if that's the full picture
1238127;1439579005;trinque;how long does that last
1238128;1439579037;mircea_popescu;for the record, we have ample documentation as to hyow the children of the aristocracy were kept back while that stayed vigurous.
1238129;1439579038;phf;there's difference when it comes to execution though, both since no trained helplessness and actual resources
1238130;1439579047;mircea_popescu;naked and shivering, hungry among the bare walls.
1238131;1439579057;mircea_popescu;dressed up for a few hours like manequins,
1238132;1439579060;mircea_popescu;then back to the hole.
1238133;1439579105;trinque;it seems rather healthy to have someone create problems for you which are out of your control
1238134;1439579109;trinque;training wheels for life, almost
1238135;1439579114;mircea_popescu;talleyrand took a lot of money from the various german princes, yes. bribes ? maybe. to do what with them ? not like he had to buy any woman in paris anyway.
1238136;1439579128;mircea_popescu;but he definbitely excised a lot of revenge over the people that pointedly reminded him of his opwn parents.
1238137;1439579188;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt the man was motivated by greed, or at all comprehensible in the terms of the bourgeoisie.
1238138;1439579237;phf;mircea_popescu: so what changed in the 19th century is that the beatings stopped?
1238139;1439579261;mircea_popescu;it was changing by 1700, in france.
1238140;1439579284;mircea_popescu;not that the beatings stopped, but that luis hated his father, and decided he'll rule with a bureaucracy rather than have more of that shit around.
1238141;1439579293;mircea_popescu;so the aristocrats were taken to versailles and circumcised.
1238142;1439579302;phf;hmm
1238143;1439579305;mircea_popescu;the guillotine... minor point, and a necessity after thatanyway.
1238144;1439579324;mircea_popescu;it was worth a shot, unequivocally.
1238145;1439579350;mircea_popescu;but the problem comes back again and again to what i told pete d that day we were discussing "systems" : you can not afford to insult the powerful.
1238146;1439579479;mircea_popescu;but the notion that the mob in the street invented anything or in any way created something... gimme a break. romanians for a while thought ceausescu was incredibly inventive in his stupidity. these being the folk too uncultured to know carol 2. in fact, the bootmaker was merely immitating, as best he could.
1238147;1439579491;mircea_popescu;following, as it were, with the knife the lines drawn aforehand.
1238148;1439579519;mircea_popescu;so yes, the french revolution is a "historical necessity". because a king at some point said so.
1238149;1439579563;phf;oh i see
1238150;1439579658;mircea_popescu;he didn't know at the time what he was saying. obviously. and perhaps didn't even care to find if what he said was or was not said before.
1238151;1439579667;mircea_popescu;but the people whio did care thought - and i think today - it was worth a shot.
1238152;1439579683;mircea_popescu;if we like or don't like the results - at least we know.
1238153;1439579757;mircea_popescu;general indication seems to be that he didn't care for the result either. that "apres moi le deluge" is very similar to socrates' "i have nothing to offer nor do i wish to offer anything in fine."
1238154;1439579808;mircea_popescu;tried, failed, bury me over there.
1238155;1439579868;mircea_popescu;which incidentally terribly weakens the middle class case against hitler. "oh, he lost the war". sure. guess what, the war that was won hasn't been invented yet.
1238156;1439579911;mircea_popescu;churchill "won it" and watch the uk have to beg bundesbank for rescue loans within the decade.
1238157;1439579971;mircea_popescu;"oh hitler was mean, because the british empire was ending anyway, and he should have jsut waited it out ; whereas oh lincoln was great, because southern slavery was ending anyway but he had the martial presence to not wait it out".
1238158;1439579988;mircea_popescu;herp derp and really tell me more what the middle class thinks, it's so impossible for me to predict it.
1238159;1439580131;phf;so the point is that aristocracy was already lost starting with 1743 reforms. presumably was brought to russia by peter's newly established bureaucrats
1238160;1439580152;mircea_popescu;peter is before stalin the leader of the soviets.
1238161;1439580178;phf;first sjw, employed a black feller
1238162;1439580206;mircea_popescu;you know, the entyire skin color thing was never a major point in yurp.
1238163;1439580233;phf;oh, i know, i didn't realize there was even such a thing until i came to the states
1238164;1439580238;mircea_popescu;(there's a black girl in the french film i mentioned above - nobody cared. "wow seriously ?!" yes seriously, the french had chocolat before the usians had chocolate.
1238165;1439580309;phf;although there's a 1940s (?) soviet movie, where an american girl flees to soviet union, because she had a black baby, pursued by a capitalist who's trying to expose her. of course the predictable ending is everyone joins in a song "soviet russia, where all are accepted"
1238166;1439580353;mircea_popescu;except, of course, transhumant tribes of the caucasus
1238167;1439580360;mircea_popescu;and short people with bent eyes of the far east
1238168;1439580367;mircea_popescu;but EVERYONE ELSE (tm)
1238169;1439580431;phf;hmm, that would make sense about tsarskoye selo lyceum, taught by peter's aging bureaucrat corps
1238170;1439580494;phf;1811
1238171;1439580529;mircea_popescu;rs
1238172;1439580628;phf;hmm, ok i see your point, far the fuck out as it is
1238173;1439580748;phf;also explains soviet education sleight of hand around the subject, hmm
1238174;1439581668;shinohai;http://up0.xhcdn.com/000/027/090/731_1000.jpg
1238175;1439581669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXCX12 )
1238176;1439581750;trinque;approve.
1238177;1439581812;trinque;poor girl's almost out of wine
1238178;1439581863;punkman;waxing of teh asshole is not optional
1238179;1439582250;shinohai;:D
1238180;1439582898;kakobrekla;GSMem: Data Exfiltration from Air-Gapped
1238181;1439582898;kakobrekla;Computers over GSM Frequencies - This team used patterns of memory access instructions to modulate a memory bus to generate GSM-band signals that can be read from a hacked baseband.
1238182;1439582942;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1238183;1439582949;ascii_field;kakobrekla: why is this notable ?
1238184;1439582956;ascii_field;kakobrekla: i mean, the gsm freq part
1238185;1439582961;ascii_field;can use whatever band
1238186;1439582977;kakobrekla;guess so
1238187;1439583036;ascii_field;kakobrekla: see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162723
1238188;1439583036;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:45:26; ascii_field: http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one
1238189;1439583105;kakobrekla;aha
1238190;1439583366;kakobrekla;would be interesting if you could use some surrounding infrastructure to get that signal further out.
1238191;1439583385;ascii_field;now if you could tx/rx valid 802.11, that'd be something.
1238192;1439584126;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1238188  Nifty.
1238193;1439584126;assbot;Logged on 14-08-2015 20:10:36; assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:45:26; ascii_field: http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one
1238194;1439584366;ascii_field;in fact, actually ~receiving~ radio-anything using a stock pc's bus, or whatnot, would be very clever
1238195;1439584384;ascii_field;afaik never demonstrated under realistic field conditions
1238196;1439584406;ascii_field;(using various built-in radios in a typical modern garbage pc DOES NOT COUNT)
1238197;1439586054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00063535 = 9.7209 BTC [+] {3} 
1238198;1439586109;trinque;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/14/apple-self-driving-car-project-titan-sooner-than-expected << what backwards mind desires *less* agency, I ask
1238199;1439586110;assbot;Documents confirm Apple is building self-driving car | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1gHVp1G )
1238200;1439586110;jurov;heh RF would be doable only if radio compatibility was totally neglected.. but as transistors are sensitive to light, laser would certainly do
1238201;1439586120;trinque;and why don't they just own up to it honestly
1238202;1439586128;trinque;fucks sake, I love driving
1238203;1439586155;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzl9h5fSrg1r53acko1_400.gif << building code testing.
1238204;1439586156;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gHVz9m )
1238205;1439586202;jurov;she should try to unscrew and wiggle it too
1238206;1439586210;mircea_popescu;!up akkked
1238207;1439586229;mircea_popescu;trinque that's a guy no ?
1238208;1439586304;trinque;I suppose yes, that'd be a male thing
1238209;1439586321;trinque;hopefully this regime doesn't last long enough to mandate this self-driving nonsense
1238210;1439586322;mircea_popescu;the red blouse clad human in the picture. with the tits. is male.
1238211;1439586326;trinque;oh lol
1238212;1439586331;*;trinque revisits
1238213;1439586364;trinque;hmmmmmm
1238214;1439586383;trinque;could be? that shoulder's kinda big
1238215;1439586420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00063921 = 14.3183 BTC [+] {3} 
1238216;1439586461;mats;hard to tell, but the hands may suggest its a man, yes
1238217;1439586469;trinque;I ain't mad
1238218;1439586685;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (d'artagnan's origin is not coincidental, and the fact superman's not from the ozarks does not reflect too well on either the profundity or the perspectives of that culture) << Of Course. He is from Little Egypt, his statue is in Metropolis, Illinois.
1238219;1439586700;mircea_popescu;lol
1238220;1439587001;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> (never, oddly enough, baseball. which i grew up thinking of as ~the~ american sport) << Baseball fell out of favor with the public around the same time as Boxing and Handegg was in a lucky position to replace both. "Civilized" alternative to boxing "Exciting" alternative to baseball "Opportunity" for the oppressed youths.
1238221;1439587047;BingoBoingo;<Adlai> ascii_field: baseball isn't the american sport, it's the american story. or something << Pastime
1238222;1439587061;BingoBoingo;<trinque> I don't think baseball has been the american "thing" for a generator or more << Well "Latin American" thing still
1238223;1439587174;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (speaking of which - there's a recent, very very bad french movie which nevertheless offers perhaps the best image of that girl. << NIkita
1238224;1439587185;mircea_popescu;nonono.
1238225;1439587190;mircea_popescu;choses secretes. check it out.
1238226;1439587595;BingoBoingo;Ah, will do.
1238227;1439587711;BingoBoingo;I've been to Superman's hometown though. They got a Casino a few years ago. Other than that like Cairo (pronounced Kay-roh) Das racis and the drop in steamboat traffic chased relevance away.
1238228;1439589043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00063207 = 10.2395 BTC [-]
1238229;1439589168;mircea_popescu;btw, eulora desperately needs noob miners atm. http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-14.log.html#t19:27:51
1238230;1439589169;assbot;#Eulora log for Friday, 2015-08-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMb06h )
1238231;1439589269;jurov;lol... as if noobs are going to provide you with 100k cft you need, and in reasonable time
1238232;1439589303;mircea_popescu;if there's 10k of them...
1238233;1439589312;*;jurov keels over
1238234;1439589323;mircea_popescu;i was promised plowing with chickens
1238235;1439589326;mircea_popescu;what sort of future is this
1238236;1439589370;mircea_popescu;incidentally jurov, you bidding sunday ?
1238237;1439589442;jurov;what auction? i was elsewhere and missed all eulora stuff
1238238;1439589489;mircea_popescu;ah. was announced in chat at some point, but penning a trilema article now
1238239;1439589589;mircea_popescu;!up zfx
1238240;1439589619;zfx;curious lurker here
1238241;1439589637;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1238242;1439589644;ascii_field;http://hackaday.com/2015/08/14/where-are-they-now-terrible-kickstarters (via diametric)
1238243;1439589645;assbot;Where Are They Now: Terrible Kickstarters | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMbqtc )
1238244;1439589747;shinohai;http://throb.gizmodo.com/why-the-cervix-is-more-amazing-than-you-realized-1724159340
1238245;1439589747;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1238246;1439589748;assbot;Why the Cervix Is More Amazing Than You Realized ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMbxVL )
1238247;1439589812;cazalla;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChillingEffects/comments/3gw9g1/20150813_ip_blocks/
1238248;1439589814;assbot;[2015-08-13] IP Blocks : ChillingEffects ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMbzNw )
1238249;1439589940;cazalla;how does one preserve reddit in such countries if you remove access to the content people from those countries wish to access?
1238250;1439589990;mircea_popescu;how do you feed people if what you sell them has no food in it ?
1238251;1439589993;mircea_popescu;progress.
1238252;1439590036;mircea_popescu;reddit continues to grow s/globally/imaginarily/, but anyway.
1238253;1439590220;cazalla;maybe it is the german and russian government which think that given all the content in /r/watchpeopledie is jacked from ogrishforum, bestgore, liveleak etc
1238254;1439590220;ascii_field;'My favourite is Retrievor – small GPS tracker. First version promised solar charging. They first stole photos from completely other products (mobile phone app was from real Chinese GPS tracker, while the schematic was from a completely different product). Then they skipped to Indiegogo, and had two additional campaigns, with slightly changed description. Almost 2 years later, no real product.'
1238255;1439590226;ascii_field;(many examples in comments)
1238256;1439590241;ascii_field;plenty of 'go-getters' on kickstarter !
1238257;1439590429;mircea_popescu;and yet kickstarter does not have its doors torn down by police.
1238258;1439590439;mircea_popescu;somehow, fraud on a massive scale is fine and dandy.
1238259;1439591109;ascii_field;when annointed usg buttbuddy - then yes.
1238260;1439591483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00064107 = 11.2828 BTC [+] {3} 
1238261;1439591910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00064348 = 14.5748 BTC [+] {7} 
1238262;1439592459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00065194 = 18.0952 BTC [+] {2} 
1238263;1439592813;mircea_popescu;in other news, femsupremacy. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6jtoa3cyw1r0gngfo1_500.gif
1238264;1439592815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TD1PBh )
1238265;1439594676;cazalla;https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/631538115514007553
1238266;1439594923;mircea_popescu;one wonders wtf they're studying.
1238267;1439594948;mircea_popescu;poetry & clowning.
1238268;1439595484;trinque;what a stupid logo, too
1238269;1439595875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00065394 = 3.989 BTC [+] {2} 
1238270;1439596388;trinque;and while this e-mail "scandal" is going on, she says not one word about privacy
1238271;1439596392;trinque;speaks volumes
1238272;1439596398;trinque;she must've misbehaved
1238273;1439596424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00065395 = 8.534 BTC [+]
1238274;1439596791;gernika;I bet she'll forgive your student loan debt ... in exchange for your passport.
1238275;1439596873;funkenstein_;https://github.com/iGotSpots/Negativity5/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L846 <-- for those of you who stayed away from proof of stake because not broken enough yet
1238276;1439596877;assbot;Negativity5/main.cpp at master · iGotSpots/Negativity5 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDdEWW )
1238277;1439597258;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000146.html
1238278;1439597259;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Full Orchestra. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvAJoo )
1238279;1439597261;asciilifeform;achtung, panzerz!
1238280;1439597285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu especially, because he, iirc, wanted this very much.
1238281;1439597292;asciilifeform;and now it is here.
1238282;1439597300;mircea_popescu;o hey!
1238283;1439597392;mircea_popescu;bless you asciilifeform
1238284;1439597414;asciilifeform;pleeez test!
1238285;1439597428;asciilifeform;before blessing or creaming pants or other expressions of joy.
1238286;1439597502;asciilifeform;i in particular will feel more cheerful once some patient fella actually reproduces the exact thing i did here, using vdiff.sh
1238287;1439597504;mircea_popescu;can't has joy ?
1238288;1439597505;asciilifeform;it isn't hard.
1238289;1439597507;asciilifeform;has.
1238290;1439597533;asciilifeform;and i will repeat that the output of this, is not at this exact moment very useful. the antecedent hashes are eaten by 'v'
1238291;1439597547;asciilifeform;a versioning system that is merely a few kb of script
1238292;1439597571;asciilifeform;will be released also soon.
1238293;1439597591;asciilifeform;(having spiffy commands like 'who-signed')
1238294;1439597648;asciilifeform;i also did not preserve the dates in the original patches
1238295;1439597655;asciilifeform;if someone wishes to do this, he can write a bit of awk/sed
1238296;1439597679;asciilifeform;to edit rel1.patch and rel2-pre.patch.
1238297;1439597766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00064631 = 15.77 BTC [-] {4} 
1238298;1439597797;asciilifeform;also note that items like 'rotor', which are not mods of bitcoin proper, are not mentioned in the orchestra.
1238299;1439598086;*;asciilifeform off to pet pet
1238300;1439598126;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000146.html << cool! i'll take a closer look at this tonight.
1238301;1439598127;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Full Orchestra. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvAJoo )
1238302;1439598840;trinque;damn cool; I'll take a crack at it too.
1238303;1439599124;trinque;jurov: I still can't change my settings on the ML. when I save them, it kicks me back to the password screen, then back to config from there, where it has the previous values
1238304;1439599132;trinque;cookie issue?
1238305;1439599165;*;trinque wants each e-mail, not digests
1238306;1439600058;pete_dushenski;since scoopbot_revived seems to have been asleep at the wheel earlier today : http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/of-trumpets-and-trombones/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/the-user-and-the-rotor/
1238307;1439600059;assbot;Of trumpets and trombones. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDjA29 )
1238308;1439600060;assbot;The user and the rotor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDjA2d )
1238309;1439600088;pete_dushenski;and yes, as expected, 'metro news edmonton' has failed to respond to my advertisement inquiry
1238310;1439600118;pete_dushenski;because they're just not into that non-gay singles thing were straight men seek straigh womenz to take care of
1238311;1439600151;pete_dushenski;because it's only twinks that wanna be taken care of now in this ever so progressive corner of the americas
1238312;1439600213;pete_dushenski;having a masters in femtonism means that you're automagically skilled and whatnot, so being 'taken care of' is the ultimate insult to your intelligence and self-worth
1238313;1439600283;pete_dushenski;i wanna say 'whatever. enjoy being 35 and barren. y'all get what y'all deserve.' but perhaps that's unfair
1238314;1439600315;pete_dushenski;seeing through the muck and the mire is hard. but not impossible !
1238315;1439600552;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/08/montreal-expo-postponed-for-lack-of-sponsors/#comment-41274 << i enjoyed this. a quick googling of 'coin4x' yields a highly active localbitcoins trader, though the '650' area code would indicate california, not quebec, so perhaps a different fella
1238316;1439600553;assbot;Montreal Expo Postponed For Lack of Sponsors | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDkcVA )
1238317;1439600621;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-26239 <-->https://twitter.com/paulpaschos glhf mongotron
1238318;1439600623;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDkhIK )
1238319;1439600816;wilbns;...in the process of writing a post comparing Ethereum to The Manhattan Project.
1238320;1439600886;pete_dushenski;wilbns are you high ?
1238321;1439600907;pete_dushenski;that's first and foremost
1238322;1439600907;wilbns;pete_dushenski: no
1238323;1439600920;pete_dushenski;also, wilbns do you have a blog ?
1238324;1439601015;wilbns;https://medium.com/@wilbns
1238325;1439601017;assbot;will binns — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDkLyE )
1238326;1439601020;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski how's women and some local newspaper related ?
1238327;1439601047;wilbns;ethereum vs manhattan project in a nutshell
1238328;1439601063;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu just an avenue
1238329;1439601073;mircea_popescu;ya but i mean... not like they voted for it.
1238330;1439601086;pete_dushenski;what's voting have to do with it ?
1238331;1439601157;mircea_popescu;well i mean, teh women didn't elect metro something as the avenue for de-barren-isation did they
1238332;1439601227;pete_dushenski;it has a sufficiently broad cross-section of readership that it doesn't need electing so much
1238333;1439601227;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h0opx/edward_snowden_on_bitcoin << best filipino
1238334;1439601228;assbot;Edward Snowden on Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TDScwO )
1238335;1439601231;pete_dushenski;young, old, poor, rich
1238336;1439601241;pete_dushenski;they read 'metro'
1238337;1439601260;pete_dushenski;"nobody really likes to talk about Bitcoin anymore"
1238338;1439601266;asciilifeform;best comment: 'I respect him, but he sounds like a mumbling moron.'
1238339;1439601270;pete_dushenski;classic.
1238340;1439601296;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well they read it, but they don't edit it rite.
1238341;1439601310;mircea_popescu;"Obviously, Bitcoin by itself is flawed. "
1238342;1439601312;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1238343;1439601327;mircea_popescu;i heard this said emptily by a large number of derps, so it must be so.
1238344;1439601330;pete_dushenski;clear as the giant forehead on your face
1238345;1439601362;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of things of which i can't really name anything but hey, a lot of vague vulnerabilities are better than one specifically.
1238346;1439601389;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu certainly so that 'teh womenz' don't edit the rag. makes it a two-stage deployment.
1238347;1439601402;mircea_popescu;well don't blame stage 2 for the movements of stagr 1
1238348;1439601410;mircea_popescu;especially seeing how stage 1 is precisely there to prevent stage 2.
1238349;1439601417;pete_dushenski;aha.
1238350;1439601435;pete_dushenski;how cruel, those stage 1ers
1238351;1439601487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00065395 = 1.3079 BTC [+]
1238352;1439601487;pete_dushenski;"if i suck and can't have love and children and a successful husband, than neither can you !"
1238353;1439601534;mircea_popescu;and how i wish for a successful husband.
1238354;1439601548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47789 @ 0.00063557 = 30.3733 BTC [-] {3} 
1238355;1439601632;pete_dushenski;come and get us, because the window in which we pursued you closed when you turned 20.
1238356;1439601638;pete_dushenski;at least anectodally
1238357;1439601673;pete_dushenski;anecdotally*
1238358;1439601693;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought it was the beard.
1238359;1439601712;pete_dushenski;you're the one with the beard, man.
1238360;1439601729;pete_dushenski;and the colonel sanders suit
1238361;1439601745;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 56 connections each on dulap and zulag.
1238362;1439601752;pete_dushenski;blame americana advertising for ruining 'good things'
1238363;1439601758;asciilifeform;much user.
1238364;1439601777;asciilifeform;incitatus also runs, but is permanently ~50 blocks behind
1238365;1439601780;pete_dushenski;in b-a, user select you.
1238366;1439601800;mircea_popescu;was incitatus on home box ?
1238367;1439601805;asciilifeform;oddly, no
1238368;1439601811;asciilifeform;it is on a commercial farm.
1238369;1439601825;asciilifeform;the home box, thus far, beats the shit out of all the others
1238370;1439601843;asciilifeform;despite being a fanless little thing the size of a stack of 5 inch floppies.
1238371;1439601853;pete_dushenski;https://lexingtonhistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/colonel-sanders.jpg << mp needs moar cane.
1238372;1439601854;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDlK1X )
1238373;1439601891;mircea_popescu;...
1238374;1439601895;asciilifeform;on the other hand, the pipe here is not cheap.
1238375;1439601905;trinque;ethereum and the fucking... you know what, nevermind.
1238376;1439601908;mircea_popescu;but i mean he got hair i don't, i got beard he doesn't ?
1238377;1439601913;mircea_popescu;lol trinque
1238378;1439601915;trinque;manhattan project my second ass
1238379;1439601923;mircea_popescu;bitcoin OBVIOUSLY has flaws, unlike ethereum.
1238380;1439601929;pete_dushenski;lel
1238381;1439601948;trinque;thank god that vaguely russian kid is here to nuke the status quo, or whatever it is
1238382;1439601953;mircea_popescu;because the things that are get the flaw talk, and the things that aren't.... you wouldnt wanna fud some kids' imaginarium nao wouldja./
1238383;1439601974;trinque;burn it to the ground and make 'em watch
1238384;1439601975;trinque;imagine that
1238385;1439601977;trinque;:D
1238386;1439602007;*;asciilifeform does not know precisely where buterin grew up, but does know that pretty much every kid from that generation dreamed of running a successful scam or racket
1238387;1439602025;pete_dushenski;-great success-
1238388;1439602042;asciilifeform;hey mr b is loaded
1238389;1439602050;pete_dushenski;orly ?
1238390;1439602055;asciilifeform;compared to yours truly
1238391;1439602065;asciilifeform;for one thing, i'm not aware of him working for a living
1238392;1439602066;pete_dushenski;hard to demonstrate
1238393;1439602078;asciilifeform;pretty easy. which one drags ass to an office every day
1238394;1439602080;pete_dushenski;i dun see vb buying stacks of pogos
1238395;1439602081;asciilifeform;and which one doesn't
1238396;1439602082;asciilifeform;QED.
1238397;1439602113;asciilifeform;i bet his cock ring is worth more than a container of pogo.
1238398;1439602132;pete_dushenski;see, now you're just letting your imagination run away from you
1238399;1439602159;pete_dushenski;butering has cockrings like he has nipplerings
1238400;1439602163;asciilifeform;to me, a fella who doesn't work and will never have to, is ipso facto rich
1238401;1439602172;trinque;and he'll do what with it
1238402;1439602178;pete_dushenski;'never have to' is a long ass time
1238403;1439602185;pete_dushenski;kid's, what, 21 ?
1238404;1439602193;trinque;yeah, he's got plenty of time for more bad decisions
1238405;1439602210;asciilifeform;at least he has the option of not making them
1238406;1439602244;pete_dushenski;alas, an evening of spicy food beckons. i'm outtie. laters !
1238407;1439602256;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced that mr b knows he's a shill
1238408;1439602268;asciilifeform;prolly just thinks 'i crapped this out and the grownups are so dumb! they love it'
1238409;1439602311;asciilifeform;the kind of pauper2prince described in chuck palahniuk's 'survivor'
1238410;1439602326;trinque;either way, if you anticipate ethereum going the way of other altcoins (or worse, look at the complexity of the thing), he'll have to live with that on his name forever.
1238411;1439602344;asciilifeform;he'll be living with the golden toilet and the palaces forever.
1238412;1439602362;trinque;if he does, that's somebody else's failing, for sure
1238413;1439602365;asciilifeform;(or, more accurately, until the war)
1238414;1439602371;trinque;yeah
1238415;1439602383;asciilifeform;but i don't expect to see the other end of the war in person, either.
1238416;1439602461;cazalla;i am hoping ethereum over takes litecoin in fake market cap just as its first halving occurs for extra lulz and butthurts
1238417;1439602476;mircea_popescu;nah
1238418;1439602479;mircea_popescu;it's been done before.
1238419;1439602488;mircea_popescu;it'll take doge over in market cap
1238420;1439602498;mircea_popescu;or whatever the scamcoin was before that.
1238421;1439602546;*;mircea_popescu wonders if asciilifeform has pre-made file with the woe me stuff, or generates them on the fly.
1238422;1439602559;cazalla;it already has over taken doge, only paycoin and that icelandic? coin has done so in the past
1238423;1439602576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: generates
1238424;1439602616;trinque;^ has a woe-coprocessor
1238425;1439602635;asciilifeform;nah just a nonmaskable woe interrupt
1238426;1439602641;trinque;haha
1238427;1439602646;asciilifeform;triggered by mention of folks who sleep ad libitum
1238428;1439602692;trinque;speaking of woe, ben_vulpes, imma probably go drink at bonfire
1238429;1439602704;trinque;stop by if ya want
1238430;1439602719;asciilifeform;btw, i will have mircea_popescu know that prisoners, at least in usa, do ~not~ get to sleep ad libitum.
1238431;1439602737;trinque;nope, gotta pretend to work at least part of the day
1238432;1439602740;asciilifeform;they get wakeup. just like i do.
1238433;1439602744;trinque;gets them ready to rejoin the pretend workforce
1238434;1439602885;mircea_popescu;cazalla ie all teh scamcopins ? lol
1238435;1439602994;mircea_popescu;anyway, im vaguely contemplating hiring an indiancandy to counter woe-shannonizer with the -1 * equivalent
1238436;1439603439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00063352 = 15.9647 BTC [-] {2} 
1238437;1439603927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6006 @ 0.00063681 = 3.8247 BTC [+]
1238438;1439604118;asciilifeform;l0l!
1238439;1439604366;mod6;well... heh.  I thought i'd get the chance to dive into your new email asciilifeform.  But, guess it'll have to be tomorrow.
1238440;1439604455;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/LxfsCfc.jpg included in the photobook my missus and other folks bought from local play centre.. because that is what i always wanted, a photo of a photo of my son.. actually surprised they included a dvd minus watermarks all over the images
1238441;1439604456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TDZq3T )
1238442;1439604851;asciilifeform;mod6: it is very very simple, really
1238443;1439604868;asciilifeform;mod6: just a replay of patch history, but this time with 'vdiff' in place of conventional diff
1238444;1439606887;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#comment-115039
1238445;1439606888;assbot;Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hc9l59 )
1238446;1439606888;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1238447;1439606963;trinque;  ^ I greatly enjoy encountering this... actual culture
1238448;1439607015;trinque;any I stumbled upon in youth was entirely by accident
1238449;1439607054;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pWlVIYYRSE << related
1238450;1439607055;assbot;MARYČKA MAGDÓNOVA @ Jaromír Nohavica # 82 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hc9K7C )
1238451;1439607108;*;asciilifeform interestingly, understands the spoken cz much quicker than written
1238452;1439607268;asciilifeform;^ mega-song
1238453;1439607287;trinque;will check it out upon leaving bar
1238454;1439607404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19429 @ 0.00063886 = 12.4124 BTC [+] {3} 
1238455;1439607578;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQMqOIM-_zk << harsh americanized version
1238456;1439607579;assbot;Patrick - Maryčka Magdonova + text - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6iBO5 )
1238457;1439607699;trinque;jesus christ my sister just quoted The Prince and called it a quote from The Office
1238458;1439607722;trinque;if the point about culture wasn't made well enough already...
1238459;1439607737;trinque;re: being loved and/or feared
1238460;1439607775;cazalla;asciilifeform, in your rotor guide, can you help me understand what step 6 asks me to do?
1238461;1439607808;cazalla;specifically "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." is this just all the patches?
1238462;1439607816;asciilifeform;it means: make a stator
1238463;1439607830;asciilifeform;and place it in rotor/stator
1238464;1439607921;*;asciilifeform on a hardcore cz kick now
1238465;1439607926;asciilifeform;and it's all jurov's fault!
1238466;1439608290;asciilifeform;cazalla: if you have an existing stator, clean out the guts and use that.
1238467;1439609061;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Pomn%C3%ADk_Mary%C4%8Dky_Magdonov%C3%A9.jpg << mega-winner of a statue! betcha the kidz think the chick died as a partizan in ww2
1238468;1439609062;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6m2nO )
1238469;1439609105;asciilifeform;what are the belching smokestacks doing in the background ?!!
1238470;1439609299;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is there a soviet mega-statuelith of fefeleaga somewhere ?
1238471;1439609369;asciilifeform;wtf, http://radioenigmaromania.ro/blog/celebrul-personaj-fefeleaga-a-fost-cat-se-poate-de-real-afla-povestea-fascinanta-a-eroinei_26192.html
1238472;1439609371;assbot;Celebrul personaj “Fefeleaga” a fost cât se poate de real. Află povestea fascinantă a eroinei!  | Radio Enigma Romania ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mpog7i )
1238473;1439609425;asciilifeform;^ claims she was somebody's grand-grandmom, and only ! only 3 of her 6 offspring died
1238474;1439609481;asciilifeform;this is again reminiscent of 'grave of the fireflies', autobiographical animation, author's father - unlike protagonist's - came back from jp navy; author - did not starve in an underground station. but he WISHED that he had
1238475;1439609488;asciilifeform;so extra-depressionified the story
1238476;1439610295;trinque;a guy I respect told me that one could maybe hope to change the world in one specific way, but that intending to change the world arbitrarily was the mark of hubris
1238477;1439610311;trinque;relates imo to the Fefeleaga story
1238478;1439610335;trinque;look at her abjection, and yet, what could you possibly do to prevent future Fefeleagas
1238479;1439610401;trinque;not a goddamn thing. as (*clears his throat*) MJK of Tool wrote, "The universe is hostile, so impersonal. Devour to survive; so it is, so it's always been."
1238480;1439611093;trinque;and since such thoughts are usually associated with a sort of brutal perspective, let me ask: which is worse, the mind which accepts the harsh reality of existing or the one which struggles against it?
1238481;1439611186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00065117 = 23.3444 BTC [+] {2} 
1238482;1439611375;asciilifeform;trinque: easy one
1238483;1439611387;asciilifeform;trinque: the mind that invents death ray and spins round, round, round with it, 'for piglet!'
1238484;1439611430;asciilifeform;( canonical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176872 )
1238485;1439611430;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
1238486;1439611660;asciilifeform;trinque: the thing about fefeleaga in my mind is that the stock off-the-shelf model of existence is a guaranteed suckfest.
1238487;1439611667;asciilifeform;see mr.o, 'The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. After the age of about thirty they almost abandon the sense of being individuals at all � and live chiefly for others, or are simply smothered under drudgery. But there is also the minority of gifted, willful people who are determined to live their own lives to the end'
1238488;1439611701;asciilifeform;and 'The impulse to cling to youth at all costs, to attempt to preserve your sexual attraction, to see even in middle age a future for yourself and not merely for your children, is a thing of recent growth and has only precariously established itself. It will probably disappear again when our standard of living drops and our birth-rate rises.'
1238489;1439611718;asciilifeform;fefeleaga is sop
1238490;1439611734;asciilifeform;it is the other items on the menu which are experimental, high-tech oddities, like particle accelerator.
1238491;1439611756;asciilifeform;yes, just like it.
1238492;1439612022;trinque;asciilifeform: first off, goddamn if I didn't just bellow laughter across the bar at "for piglet!"
1238493;1439612034;trinque;and indeed, fefeleaga is the baseline
1238494;1439612053;trinque;this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc
1238495;1439612072;trinque;but then too, my end is just like hers
1238496;1439612095;trinque;absent "purpose" or whatever, just pain and desolation
1238497;1439612105;trinque;there is freedom in that, but I'm not ready to articulate it
1238498;1439612204;trinque;that freedom is why the story made me smile, horrible though it is
1238499;1439612224;cazalla;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/
1238500;1439612225;assbot;8chan-hosted content disappears from Google searches | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhiF3E )
1238501;1439612238;trinque;admitting death, perhaps we are freer to do as we please in life
1238502;1439612262;trinque;cazalla: damnatio googoliae
1238503;1439612711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7980 @ 0.00065692 = 5.2422 BTC [+] {3} 
1238504;1439613183;gernika;Saddest stories I read in school were Bridge to Terebithia, and Where the Red Fern Grows.  Not comparable to Fefeleaga I don't think.
1238505;1439613297;trinque;it's why I enjoy good metal
1238506;1439613304;trinque;death is always there, staring at you
1238507;1439613311;trinque;anticipating you
1238508;1439613372;gernika;My Dad did enjoy telling me the story of the Donner Party.  One of his favorites.
1238509;1439613379;trinque;sure, you'd do it
1238510;1439613396;trinque;no matter how high a man ascends, he is also that
1238511;1439613411;trinque;starve him, and he will eat
1238512;1439613415;trinque;back him into a corner, and he will kill
1238513;1439613451;trinque;hence we are a species that inhabits every continent, and sometimes space beyond
1238514;1439613460;trinque;and hopefully much more of the latter, in the future
1238515;1439613870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.0006469 = 19.9245 BTC [-]
1238516;1439614358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10296 @ 0.00065468 = 6.7406 BTC [+]
1238517;1439614846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00064249 = 8.9949 BTC [-] {3} 
1238518;1439616798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11075 @ 0.00064125 = 7.1018 BTC [-]
1238519;1439617734;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that theory.
1238520;1439617743;mircea_popescu;i dun think i'd eat person unless it tasted well.
1238521;1439617864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't say jew, it's bad!
1238522;1439617931;mircea_popescu;<trinque> re: being loved and/or feared << it's actually a quote from that de niro film :D chaz palminteri says it :D
1238523;1439618073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.
1238524;1439618111;mircea_popescu;and yes it was a real character. the guy didn't write fiction. he just wrote well and so plenty of his ethnographic notations read more like blogposts.
1238525;1439618334;mircea_popescu;<trinque> this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
1238526;1439618405;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> 8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/ << there's an iron curtain now falling on teh internets, <me inserts rest of clinton speech>. it's us and them.
1238527;1439618519;mircea_popescu;it is ok to seek a twitter wrapper of x, just not x. because twitter gotta eat, and all that.
1238528;1439619238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.00063832 = 13.3249 BTC [-]
1238529;1439620336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00065734 = 13.3769 BTC [+]
1238530;1439621190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00065734 = 20.3118 BTC [+] {5} 
1238531;1439623874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00065759 = 17.2289 BTC [+] {4} 
1238532;1439629839;shinohai;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150813-uncontacted-amazon-tribes-peru-brazil/
1238533;1439629840;assbot;Some Isolated Tribes in the Amazon Are Initiating Contact ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbEMWN )
1238534;1439629921;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png
1238535;1439630035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22931 @ 0.00063286 = 14.5121 BTC [-] {2} 
1238536;1439630655;cazalla;asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect 195.211.54.59 throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why?
1238537;1439630675;cazalla;ah dw
1238538;1439630889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8336 @ 0.00065829 = 5.4875 BTC [+]
1238539;1439631499;shinohai;@ BingoBoingo lulzy log
1238540;1439632691;punkman;watched the new mad max flick yesterday, not too bad
1238541;1439632755;punkman;slightly annoying that you can't hear anyone talk over all the explosions, unless you turn the volume way up
1238542;1439632775;punkman;then again, not a lot of talking
1238543;1439632976;shinohai;I bought some headphones last week, I may waych it with those.
1238544;1439633277;punkman;!up Vexual
1238545;1439633516;Vexual;not much fucking either punkman
1238546;1439633646;Vexual;also probably caused by all the explosions
1238547;1439633897;punkman;I expected titties but all I got was the babes derping about not being property
1238548;1439633930;Vexual;i also expected titties
1238549;1439633956;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/z3butAL.jpg
1238550;1439633957;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdvLiJ )
1238551;1439633983;punkman;is that a cucumber?
1238552;1439633986;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^
1238553;1439633986;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1238554;1439634013;shinohai;Yes that is, in fact, a cucumber with a condom stretched over it.
1238555;1439634088;Vexual;cucumber aids kills
1238556;1439634495;Vexual;halve it
1238557;1439634562;Vexual;around 365 days to reward halving now
1238558;1439634600;Vexual;give or take
1238559;1439634646;punkman;;;halfreward
1238560;1439634647;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 27 22:10:36 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 49 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1238561;1439634693;Vexual;oh, that sounds closer
1238562;1439634711;punkman;;;bc,bull
1238563;1439634712;gribble;Next Price Estimate: 292.523 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds
1238564;1439634756;Vexual;how long till alf stops crying poor?
1238565;1439634835;Vexual;not until he only has more bitcoin than 5.7 billion
1238566;1439634898;Vexual;(other peoplew)
1238567;1439634926;Vexual;more than 6 is not enough
1238568;1439634938;punkman;s.nsa already has that
1238569;1439634952;Vexual;has what?
1238570;1439634961;Vexual;oh yes more than 6
1238571;1439635072;Vexual;nevermind
1238572;1439635098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30837 @ 0.0006618 = 20.4079 BTC [+] {6} 
1238573;1439635159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00066737 = 6.8739 BTC [+]
1238574;1439635172;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/your-money/airbnb-horror-story-points-to-need-for-precautions.html
1238575;1439635175;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdwG2E )
1238576;1439635175;punkman;!up Vexual
1238577;1439635615;punkman;http://www.sciencemag.org/content/349/6249/677.full
1238578;1439635618;assbot;Modified yeast produce opiates from sugar ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdxaWz )
1238579;1439635654;Vexual;thats better than staying with a murderous tranny from the internet
1238580;1439635878;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/how-california-is-winning-the-drought.html
1238581;1439635881;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HNx7ZV )
1238582;1439635937;punkman;"Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece
1238583;1439635941;shinohai;Vexual: Do you have a helpful photograph of what a murderous tranny looks like ?
1238584;1439635957;Vexual;no
1238585;1439635971;shinohai;bummer
1238586;1439635976;Vexual;youll need to take other precuations
1238587;1439635992;shinohai;There goes like half of backpage
1238588;1439636301;Vexual;big subsidies for putting in polypipe here punk
1238589;1439636342;punkman;water reserves running out?
1238590;1439636354;Vexual;place is one big desert
1238591;1439636389;Vexual;of course most of the farmers who can use it effectively camere from greece in the 70s
1238592;1439636516;Vexual;sure, more polypipe
1238593;1439637172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00067933 = 37.8387 BTC [+] {7} 
1238594;1439637197;punkman;up it goes
1238595;1439637236;cazalla;http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx
1238596;1439637239;assbot;Microsoft can disable your pirated games and illegal hardware - PC & Tech Authority ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ldz4qq )
1238597;1439639612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00066951 = 10.913 BTC [-]
1238598;1439641076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00066951 = 4.6491 BTC [-]
1238599;1439642235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48572 @ 0.00069499 = 33.7571 BTC [+] {6} 
1238600;1439642480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74076 @ 0.00066515 = 49.2717 BTC [-] {5} 
1238601;1439644065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10865 @ 0.00069764 = 7.5799 BTC [+] {3} 
1238602;1439646971;BingoBoingo;Oh, yet another party copying MP http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150815113053&mode=expanded&count=1
1238603;1439646973;assbot;The OpenBSD Foundation Announces New Silver Donor: Yandex ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYuRoQ )
1238604;1439647420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64907 @ 0.00069047 = 44.8163 BTC [-]
1238605;1439647484;shinohai;lol YANDEX
1238606;1439647492;shinohai;teh Google of Rusha
1238607;1439648237;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated
1238608;1439648288;shinohai;I was rather shocked tbh. reddit has come out w/pitchferks
1238609;1439649640;shinohai;http://redd.it/3gskm1
1238610;1439650958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73486 @ 0.00067087 = 49.2996 BTC [-]
1238611;1439652081;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC
1238612;1439652094;asciilifeform;gcd==519691042937; Andrew Orr <andrew@andreworr.ca>
1238613;1439652104;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes where's the bot?
1238614;1439652104;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1238615;1439652163;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238523 << and 'unknown soldier' is what ?
1238616;1439652163;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 05:54:33; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.
1238617;1439652244;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238525 << he might have been thinking of something else, not intelligence, possibly this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193609
1238618;1439652244;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 05:58:54; mircea_popescu: <trinque> this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
1238619;1439652244;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:35:21; ascii_field: interestingly, old norse, even, had a very specific word for this trait
1238620;1439652300;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238536 << maybe because it's actually 195.211.154.159 ?
1238621;1439652300;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 09:24:15; cazalla: asciilifeform, ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect 195.211.54.59 throws error "couldn't connect to server", any ideas why?
1238622;1439652492;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238532 << what i'd like to know is what became of the famous yanomamo tribe. last i heard, they traded a load of animal skins for a crate of shotguns, and that was the last anybody heard of'em..
1238623;1439652492;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 09:10:39; shinohai: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150813-uncontacted-amazon-tribes-peru-brazil/
1238624;1439652549;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238564 << when i get to shoot the alarm clock. and never buy a new one.
1238625;1439652549;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 10:32:36; Vexual: how long till alf stops crying poor?
1238626;1439652661;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238595 << when boiling the proverbial frog, when it gets cooked enough you can just turn up the heat to whatever. srsly, they included a keylogger and admitted to it. why should they not also rape you in every other possible hole, and drill new ones as desired ?
1238627;1439652661;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 11:13:56; cazalla: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx
1238628;1439652962;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/AsK2NvC.png
1238629;1439652963;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeRcxO )
1238630;1439653890;asciilifeform;https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2015/08/14/cryptography-and-quicksand << lulzies
1238631;1439653892;assbot;Cryptography And Quicksand | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYE28L )
1238632;1439653947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78453 @ 0.00067087 = 52.6318 BTC [-]
1238633;1439654168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1238634;1439654195;asciilifeform;i just love these gloriously educated folks who carry on pretending we don't exist.
1238635;1439654313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00067038 = 42.5691 BTC [-] {3} 
1238636;1439654455;asciilifeform;https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/area-51 << lulzy
1238637;1439654458;assbot;Area 51 | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYFckM )
1238638;1439654833;asciilifeform;not a bad www though.
1238639;1439654842;asciilifeform;it is so rare to meet with folks who aren't howlingly retarded.
1238640;1439655280;mod6;<+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^ << ahhaha
1238641;1439655308;shinohai;cucumber.io can thank me for the marketing tip later
1238642;1439656631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00067299 = 9.1863 BTC [+]
1238643;1439657321;mod6;heheh.
1238644;1439657346;jurov;http://hiddenlolcdn.com/i/43526.gif :) nsfw
1238645;1439657347;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqkj8 )
1238646;1439657485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17390 @ 0.00067073 = 11.664 BTC [-]
1238647;1439657499;mod6;So, if anyone wants to try out these automated cucumber tests on v0.5.4-TEST2 w/rotor ; I have some recipes that work on: ubuntu 10.04, deb6/7/8 and gentoo.  Just send me a PM and I'll work with you on it.
1238648;1439657590;mod6;Meanwhile, now I'm gonna see if I can figure out this new versioning email.  The hard part is going to be having to verify everything posted, and re-writing all of our documentation.
1238649;1439657678;mod6;asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?
1238650;1439657702;mod6;Sounds like from your email, that's pretty much the plan...
1238651;1439657708;mod6;Just curious.
1238652;1439658299;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png << the reason HE can't have "his own opinions" is simply that he's hounding her. just like used car, insurance and aluminum sides salesmen can't have their own opinions.
1238653;1439658300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITs3VQ )
1238654;1439658370;BingoBoingo;Oh, you though people who posted caps like that to reddit/voad/twatter would be anything other than derpy siding salesmen?
1238655;1439658446;mircea_popescu;well in this case he's some dude, speaking enligsh on a gadget. so... yeah, he's the sort that begs for sex.
1238656;1439658473;punkman;he only begs ironically
1238657;1439658622;mircea_popescu;oh ok then
1238658;1439658624;BingoBoingo;Of course
1238659;1439658625;mircea_popescu; /sarcasm
1238660;1439658742;mircea_popescu;anyway, the dudes that women hound are just as retarded. take me for instance : there's a shitton of opinions woman can't hold. recently met a very sweet girl, smart, decent figure. she's an argentine, so her only real chance to eat is to work for the government - there's really no productive activity going on here, much like it were say detroit. so she was some derpy "social worker" and aiming to either seniorize into
1238661;1439658743;mircea_popescu; the civil corps or maybe run for office as she ages. like you know, hillary.
1238662;1439658774;mircea_popescu;obviously that in that context, her choices are between depression and socialist ideas. so understandably, she had a lot of notions about "the people" and "the good".
1238663;1439658783;mircea_popescu;notions which also happen to be intolerable. such is lyf.
1238664;1439658883;mircea_popescu;she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.
1238665;1439659326;mircea_popescu;punkman> "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation�to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece << word. i was rather impressed with what "intensive agriculture" meant down there.
1238666;1439659367;mircea_popescu;damn, 67 huh ? meat today!
1238667;1439659431;mod6;asciilifeform: ok cool! rel1.patch and rel2-pre.patch do apply cleanly to all of the existing patches
1238668;1439659455;mod6;now, I need to just validate these hashes.
1238669;1439659463;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> and 'unknown soldier' is what ? << there is no doubt that at least one soldier somewhere existed, right ? this is not abstract but synthetic, like a statue to an apple. "which apple".
1238670;1439659522;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238649 << detached sig, absolutely yes. posted as separate email each - absolutely fucking not
1238671;1439659522;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 16:54:38; mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?
1238672;1439659606;mircea_popescu;so it's a rebase basically
1238673;1439659646;asciilifeform;approximately.
1238674;1439659681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.000665 = 9.4098 BTC [-] {2} 
1238675;1439659688;asciilifeform;folks were demanding a thing which you can ask 'find me the longest chain signed by mod6' etc
1238676;1439659698;asciilifeform;so that's what i'm writing.
1238677;1439659730;mircea_popescu;nothin' wrong with that.
1238678;1439659731;asciilifeform;the basic unit of life in 'v' (apparatus) is the vdiff (output of vdiff.sh)
1238679;1439659742;asciilifeform;the latter is included in the latest ml post
1238680;1439659748;mircea_popescu;V is particularly apt.
1238681;1439659751;asciilifeform;and is also in the log somewhere.
1238682;1439659757;mircea_popescu;name something evvie while at it >D
1238683;1439659815;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238664 << wai wat, i thought mircea_popescu's hobby was to pick this wildlife up from the streets and reformat it
1238684;1439659815;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 17:14:43; mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.
1238685;1439659832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not at her age.
1238686;1439659860;mircea_popescu;it works for 19yos, it is not worth the hassle with 29yos.
1238687;1439659874;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, one email is ok by me.  just was curious what you had in mind.
1238688;1439659875;asciilifeform;logical.
1238689;1439659907;asciilifeform;mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches
1238690;1439659916;asciilifeform;sig can be for existing patch in the list
1238691;1439659928;asciilifeform;patch must be accompanied with sig
1238692;1439659947;asciilifeform;(pairwise)
1238693;1439659956;mircea_popescu;sounds about right.
1238694;1439659984;asciilifeform;then everyone who did what mod6 did and verified that the universe of patches in 'orchestra' is actually identical to the previously published set but for the antecedent hashes,
1238695;1439659991;asciilifeform;can submit sigs for them
1238696;1439660004;asciilifeform;(with the proviso that he has read, grasped, each)
1238697;1439660023;asciilifeform;ideally someone who isn't me has also verified the antecedents
1238698;1439660041;asciilifeform;which entails doing exactly, word for word, what i did to make 'orchestra'
1238699;1439660133;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the loltrons,
1238700;1439660134;asciilifeform;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010235.html
1238701;1439660135;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtlaUk )
1238702;1439660139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure hanbot is doing exactly this
1238703;1439660169;asciilifeform;and https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1
1238704;1439660170;assbot;Why is Bitcoin forking? — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtloLn )
1238705;1439660185;asciilifeform;^ hearn unzips and begins
1238706;1439660185;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1QNT15C.txt << vdiff.sh seems to do what I thought it did. so thats cool.
1238707;1439660186;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtlqTn )
1238708;1439660212;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no idea why retards seem to have all flocked to "medium.com" but hey.
1238709;1439660223;asciilifeform;dun think i've seen it before
1238710;1439660250;mircea_popescu;!s medium.com
1238711;1439660251;assbot;71 results for 'medium.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=medium.com
1238712;1439660255;asciilifeform;hm.
1238713;1439660263;asciilifeform;'Congratulations Gavin and Mike on completing the patch to support larger block sizes. Although we all have ideological disagreements from time to time, two fundamental values of the Bitcoin community are freedom of choice and transparency of communication. Your work represents a big step in returning the power over Bitcoin's future back to the community where it belongs.' << l0l!!
1238714;1439660265;mircea_popescu;at least 80% of those are patently retarded.
1238715;1439660277;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who is this ?
1238716;1439660284;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking << some tard
1238717;1439660285;assbot;Why is Bitcoin forking? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffvPjM )
1238718;1439660300;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: what i have in mind is that this ends up being a box where you can drop in a sig (l1 !) and, optionally, one or more patches << yeah, this is good
1238719;1439660305;mircea_popescu;so basically some tard wanted to pretend like he's important.
1238720;1439660320;asciilifeform;finally mustered the balls to pull the trigger
1238721;1439660320;mircea_popescu;why am i reading some tard's pretense, no matter how he thinks he's "hooked it" into the events.
1238722;1439660338;asciilifeform;idk, asked 'who was this'
1238723;1439660345;asciilifeform;answer 'some tard'
1238724;1439660348;mircea_popescu;to quote some people - this is great for bitcoin.
1238725;1439660384;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/user/Peter__R << some tard that economizes on copy.
1238726;1439660386;assbot;overview for Peter__R ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffvYni )
1238727;1439660409;asciilifeform;filipino
1238728;1439660417;mircea_popescu;anyway. nobody cares. in the most literal sense of that word.
1238729;1439660428;mircea_popescu;they can go fight eth for doge supremacy or w/e it is retards do.
1238730;1439660456;mircea_popescu;"oh this failed project is so exciting - look, it even overtook last quarter's failed project on the failed projects list!!11"
1238731;1439660466;asciilifeform;meanwhile my nodez are running hotter than ever
1238732;1439660485;shinohai;How many nodes u running?
1238733;1439660490;asciilifeform;same as before
1238734;1439660493;asciilifeform;2 and 1/2
1238735;1439660504;mircea_popescu;time to put up some more nodes huh ?
1238736;1439660520;asciilifeform;there's another but i gotta travel to a somewhat distant place to plug the bugger in
1238737;1439660552;asciilifeform;but what we really need is moar nodez on serious commercial boxes
1238738;1439660553;mircea_popescu;ima bring a few up.
1238739;1439660564;mod6;asciilifeform: here's what i've done so far with V, http://dpaste.com/2P6A59Y.txt
1238740;1439660565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtnjiU )
1238741;1439660580;mircea_popescu;incidentally, jurov and anyone else who might care : i will be wiping the archive of that hacker team thing. if you want copies of anything etc get it now.
1238742;1439660618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if not urgent, leave it up till monday night
1238743;1439660633;asciilifeform;or not. i think i got what i needed
1238744;1439660640;mircea_popescu;wasn't gonna do it right now.
1238745;1439660678;mircea_popescu;but it's on teh list, it'll get done eventually, an' i know people have a habit to prevaricate.
1238746;1439660680;asciilifeform;mod6: nice script and it will do until i'm done with the actual mechanism
1238747;1439660706;*;mircea_popescu really likes the name V
1238748;1439660715;mircea_popescu;a better name could not be had, for what this thing is and does.
1238749;1439660720;*;asciilifeform likes short names for frequently used machines
1238750;1439660749;mircea_popescu;"signatures offer the means to meaning, and for they who can listen, the enunciation of truth."
1238751;1439660765;*;asciilifeform currently racking brain over how to make the thing verify in better than O(N^2)
1238752;1439660776;mircea_popescu;why ?
1238753;1439660777;asciilifeform;it gets annoying, fast
1238754;1439660792;mircea_popescu;let me rephrase.
1238755;1439660802;asciilifeform;because every single operation involves walking EVERY sig FOR EVERY patch
1238756;1439660808;asciilifeform;because no other state.
1238757;1439660809;mircea_popescu;why do you think this is possible and if you have any reason to think so why aren't you fixing bitcoin then
1238758;1439660838;mircea_popescu;wait. for every patch in the line, right ?
1238759;1439660842;asciilifeform;it is possible if one does something jurovish and requires, e.g., sigs to include what they are sigs for in the filename or the like
1238760;1439660853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno, for every patch and every sig ever made.
1238761;1439660858;mircea_popescu;ah that's nonsense.
1238762;1439660860;asciilifeform;aha
1238763;1439660871;asciilifeform;this is a place we end up in because pgp is retarded
1238764;1439660877;asciilifeform;and one can't get a meaningful hash out of a sig
1238765;1439660879;asciilifeform;(file hash)
1238766;1439660903;mircea_popescu;we sadly have been overtaken by events in this point. i'd have much preferred to start work on this after the decanter work for "new pgp" was done.
1238767;1439660911;asciilifeform;same
1238768;1439660963;jurov;or do the same as with diff - add hash of content into every clearsigned doc
1238769;1439660964;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178517
1238770;1439660964;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 22:59:59; jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway
1238771;1439660974;asciilifeform;jurov: NO
1238772;1439660979;asciilifeform;jurov: no mutilations.
1238773;1439660982;mircea_popescu;incidentally, re <BingoBoingo> shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated <<< do not imagine that ms, yandex et all did not know same things i know. obviously trhey do, but they also had hoped they're somehow favoured sons. because "Terrorists will never do that, tr
1238774;1439660982;mircea_popescu;ust me".
1238775;1439660982;asciilifeform;because FUCKTARDED
1238776;1439661002;mircea_popescu;bitcoin changes everything, of course, and outside the heaped plate of humilation lasagna it allowed me to forcefeed bob beck,
1238777;1439661013;mircea_popescu;you can admire all the extra bezzle it forced microsoft & all to expend.
1238778;1439661022;mircea_popescu;which, yes, it's a great thing for teh free world.
1238779;1439661042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hash in the doc is not a bad idea, eh ?
1238780;1439661048;asciilifeform;of the doc!!?!??!!
1238781;1439661051;mircea_popescu;yes.
1238782;1439661070;asciilifeform;with 'escaped dashes', the whole shit soup?
1238783;1439661076;asciilifeform;how about a big fat No.
1238784;1439661094;mircea_popescu;looky : when i signed a piece of paper i nulled out the empty spaces.
1238785;1439661104;mircea_popescu;a checksum's not a bad idea, why do you think it is a bad idea ?
1238786;1439661111;asciilifeform;because it doesn't belong in-band.
1238787;1439661113;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ^ hearn unzips and begins << So begins project Scott Tenorman
1238788;1439661117;asciilifeform;because a file is unitary.
1238789;1439661125;asciilifeform;because motherfucking unix philosophy.
1238790;1439661132;mircea_popescu;so i can't include a hash of the document i nthe document.
1238791;1439661149;asciilifeform;because what you end up with is two files who are somehow trying to sit in one chair
1238792;1439661166;asciilifeform;now you can't sha512sum on the file, have to put it through a cutter
1238793;1439661176;mircea_popescu;so by this theory, we should have one phone network for the network and another phone network for the control codes ?
1238794;1439661188;asciilifeform;all modern phone networks actually do this.
1238795;1439661199;asciilifeform;(not separate fiber, mind you, but may as well.)
1238796;1439661200;mircea_popescu;can i include checksums in packets ?
1238797;1439661206;mircea_popescu;or must have tcp packets and udp checksums separate ?
1238798;1439661214;asciilifeform;l0l
1238799;1439661217;mircea_popescu;well ?
1238800;1439661238;asciilifeform;unix utils work as depicted in, e.g., vdiff.sh, deadly-simple, BECAUSE file is a solid abstraction
1238801;1439661249;asciilifeform;can treat as stream
1238802;1439661256;mircea_popescu;hm.
1238803;1439661261;asciilifeform;if you want to break this, you get 100x the code and the gnomes.
1238804;1439661269;asciilifeform;i ain't doing it.
1238805;1439661281;mircea_popescu;either i've been very stupid for many years or you're just being nuts over here.
1238806;1439661284;mircea_popescu;ima have to meditate on this.
1238807;1439661285;asciilifeform;not without a much better reason than 'pgp breathes through its mouth'
1238808;1439661299;jurov;asciilifeform: yo want to stream pgp signed stuff_
1238809;1439661302;jurov;?
1238810;1439661309;jurov;i don't get it too
1238811;1439661327;asciilifeform;jurov: i get to checksum a patch by  patch | sha512sum   or basta.
1238812;1439661362;jurov;patch | tail -n +1 | sha512sum
1238813;1439661362;asciilifeform;the pgp signature thing is fucktarded, can't believe for how long we've put up with it
1238814;1439661375;asciilifeform;jurov: how about line endings
1238815;1439661384;asciilifeform;now you have to CARE ABOUT THE INSIDES
1238816;1439661386;asciilifeform;fuck that.
1238817;1439661390;jurov;okay i give up.. what now?
1238818;1439661392;asciilifeform;!up cryptonaut420
1238819;1439661433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well obviouisly nobody ever used pgp for any serious purpose.
1238820;1439661435;asciilifeform;jurov: now i have to solve the problem. like i solved others before. but this one's gonna take some time, it isn't a nice clean shot in the head, but more of a slow isis beheading
1238821;1439661442;asciilifeform;gonna take a while, this sawing
1238822;1439661458;mircea_popescu;i think im going to translate an ancient romanian article, i can not begin to believe how fucking apt it is. i thoight it was purely a romanian thing.
1238823;1439661466;*;asciilifeform looks forward to reading
1238824;1439661503;mircea_popescu;but it is apparent, from the apoplectic reactions, and glaring when you look at the shards together, that the same jerking around is both behind the openbsd story and the pgp story.
1238825;1439661506;asciilifeform;this one's a '3-pipe case', in the words of sherlock holms
1238826;1439661551;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#comment-115043 << see, now i can't see this in any other terms than, "ended up caring about insides"
1238827;1439661552;assbot;Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wtskbl )
1238828;1439661560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thought it was about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
1238829;1439661560;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1238830;1439661578;mircea_popescu;whereas i for a very long time have held the firm "fuck you, the text i write, i write with no consideration as to what you might misunderstand of it"
1238831;1439661610;mircea_popescu;which also happens to be the right thing, incidentally.
1238832;1439661614;asciilifeform;no shit.
1238833;1439661653;mircea_popescu;fear the power of the cult. the deepest errors can survive all of five minutes in the charged atmosphere.
1238834;1439661687;*;mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.
1238835;1439661700;asciilifeform;speaking of czech language, has jurov ever played the most famous msdos adventure game of his country, 'edna' ?
1238836;1439661706;asciilifeform;beautiful thing
1238837;1439661711;jurov;no
1238838;1439661746;asciilifeform;witch, vaguely babayaga-like, walks around collecting clues re: where to find ingredients for revenge potion against the king (who banished her). most of the dialogue is in rhyme
1238839;1439661751;asciilifeform;entirely untranslatable
1238840;1439661754;asciilifeform;so it was never translated.
1238841;1439661757;asciilifeform;not even to ru.
1238842;1439661795;jurov;http://www.amazon.de/bhv-Distribution-Edna-bricht-aus/dp/3828761631 but to german?
1238843;1439661797;assbot;Edna bricht aus: Pc: Amazon.de: Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffz1vy )
1238844;1439661804;asciilifeform;http://www.oldgames.sk/en/game/edna
1238845;1439661805;assbot;Edna  :: DJ OldGames ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffz1Mn )
1238846;1439661811;jurov;trying to find it
1238847;1439661833;asciilifeform;jurov: the de one appears to be different item ?
1238848;1439661861;asciilifeform;my link has the w4r3z iirc
1238849;1439661907;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZ2UQ3SRWM yes looks beautiful
1238850;1439661908;assbot;Edna, PC DOS (1997) [CZ] - Gameplay + CD Audio Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ffztKu )
1238851;1439661924;asciilifeform;mega-music also
1238852;1439661932;jurov;somehow never came around
1238853;1439661942;asciilifeform;really represents all that was lost
1238854;1439661950;asciilifeform;in the old world of games where the authors gave a shit
1238855;1439662304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11960 @ 0.00067073 = 8.0219 BTC [+]
1238856;1439662465;mircea_popescu;;;calc ((100 + (203-100)/2)/100)/7.6125
1238857;1439662466;gribble;0.199014778325
1238858;1439662509;asciilifeform;wat
1238859;1439662520;mircea_popescu;eulora stuff.
1238860;1439662522;asciilifeform;ah
1238861;1439662544;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-15.log.html#t18:10:56
1238862;1439662546;assbot;#Eulora log for Saturday, 2015-08-15 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtvCeu )
1238863;1439662552;mircea_popescu;how any lisper can keep away from it is anyone's guess by this point.
1238864;1439662562;asciilifeform;very easily
1238865;1439662566;asciilifeform;by, say, not owning a 3d card
1238866;1439662567;mircea_popescu;but it may be that lisp is not actually useful in practice!11111!!1
1238867;1439662773;*;BingoBoingo though MP may have been doing math related to producing a lucite cast of Obola's recutm to place in the Hearnia's urinary bladder
1238868;1439662784;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238834 << not catastrophically wrong, but more of a microscope-hammer sorta wrong
1238869;1439662784;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 18:01:27; *: mircea_popescu contemplates the strange notion that every time he included hashes in stream he was actually doing the wrong thing.
1238870;1439662852;asciilifeform;'unix philosophy' had an actual meaning at one point, and was a very promising thing
1238871;1439662854;mircea_popescu;i feel like, sensibly, palpably smarter today.
1238872;1439663102;jurov;asciilifeform: good you haven't seen mpex statjson output
1238873;1439663146;asciilifeform;jurov: actually i might have, back when i briefly had an acct
1238874;1439663164;jurov;back then there wan no statjson
1238875;1439663166;asciilifeform;then no.
1238876;1439663167;jurov;*was no
1238877;1439663708;asciilifeform;56/59/27 (dulap/zulag/incitatus), all 3 fully synced
1238878;1439663712;asciilifeform;heavy day.
1238879;1439663731;asciilifeform;(the latter pretty much never gets more than a dozen connections at one time)
1238880;1439663928;asciilifeform;andrew@andreworr.ca is pretty typical, apparently, '32-bit mirror slider'
1238881;1439663996;asciilifeform;his other modulus will pop up soon, also
1238882;1439664006;asciilifeform;it, too, is 'magical'
1238883;1439664028;asciilifeform;(who wants, can paste it into a python repl and hex(........) to see what i mean)
1238884;1439664067;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaand....
1238885;1439664070;asciilifeform;drumroll........
1238886;1439664071;asciilifeform;https://nmap.org/nsedoc/lib/bitcoin.html
1238887;1439664073;assbot;bitcoin NSE Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxizmp )
1238888;1439664084;asciilifeform;^ Patrik Karlsson <patrik@cqure.net> Andrew Orr <andrew@andreworr.ca>
1238889;1439664087;asciilifeform;authors.
1238890;1439664128;asciilifeform;(all this re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238611 )
1238891;1439664128;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 15:21:21; asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC
1238892;1439664162;asciilifeform;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=andrew%40andreworr.ca&op=index
1238893;1439664163;assbot;Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiIX3 )
1238894;1439664170;asciilifeform;^ exactly typical for the 'magic 98'
1238895;1439664207;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/UuotP
1238896;1439664208;assbot;Search results for 'ca andreworr andrew' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiOxC )
1238897;1439664222;asciilifeform;^ mirror.
1238898;1439664266;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/R6ln5 and https://archive.is/Jskeb
1238899;1439664267;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x0947bbf3e954df04 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiTBA )
1238900;1439664267;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x91e594358f264832 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxiTBC )
1238901;1439664276;asciilifeform;^ payloads.
1238902;1439664516;asciilifeform;http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20110620/667febb1/attachment.html
1238903;1439664516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjkf4 )
1238904;1439664538;asciilifeform;and http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20110623/4a44cbaa/attachment.htm
1238905;1439664539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjovm )
1238906;1439664543;asciilifeform;(re: mr orr)
1238907;1439664589;asciilifeform;http://blog.skullspace.ca/2011/02/skullspace-winnipeg-inc_3.html
1238908;1439664590;assbot;SkullSpace Winnipeg: Skullspace Winnipeg Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxjwev )
1238909;1439664772;asciilifeform;unlike mircea_popescu, i do not presently believe that ~all~ of these folks have been shot with the stupid-cannon
1238910;1439664780;asciilifeform;at some point one of them will read this log and write in
1238911;1439664906;mircea_popescu;aha.
1238912;1439665016;asciilifeform;somehow i suspect that most of these people would give more of a fuck if the city phonebook (which no one i'm aware of uses for anything but kindling...) were to list a nigerian spammer's phone # instead of their own
1238913;1439665060;mircea_popescu;doubt it.
1238914;1439665080;asciilifeform;mr orr doesn't look like the usual vegetable to me
1238915;1439665181;mircea_popescu;the vegetable quality is a thing apart.
1238916;1439665192;asciilifeform;how's that
1238917;1439665194;mircea_popescu;they're all vegetal. the smart and the dumb, the tall and the short, the ones with tits and the ones without
1238918;1439665204;mircea_popescu;being a vegetable is unrelated to any other measurable quality.
1238919;1439665224;mircea_popescu;it's just buying into this "being civilised means inhabiting the world of dreams"
1238920;1439665227;mircea_popescu;like an opium habit.
1238921;1439665237;asciilifeform;is this rather about whether fella has woken up to the salient fact of his time ?
1238922;1439665242;mircea_popescu;yes.
1238923;1439665244;asciilifeform;(e.g., in orwell's, coming of ww2)
1238924;1439665270;mircea_popescu;no, in orwells - that he is insufficient, and he is a representative memberf of an inssuficient generation.
1238925;1439665273;mircea_popescu;this, he never woke up to.
1238926;1439665282;asciilifeform;sad thing is, he kinda did
1238927;1439665292;asciilifeform;but didn't feel like eating his pistol quite yet, so made up various stories in his head
1238928;1439665292;mircea_popescu;i distrust kindas.
1238929;1439665293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00070022 = 50.0657 BTC [+] {11} 
1238930;1439665298;mircea_popescu;rioght ?
1238931;1439665306;mircea_popescu;and the kids coming after that just built on the habit.
1238932;1439665314;mircea_popescu;the daydreaming children of insufficient parents.
1238933;1439665327;mircea_popescu;omfg 70!
1238934;1439665330;mircea_popescu;MWOOT
1238935;1439665394;asciilifeform;;;bc,stats
1238936;1439665398;gribble;Current Blocks: 370004 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 939 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1238937;1439665404;asciilifeform;happy odometer rollover.
1238938;1439665415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122800 @ 0.00068782 = 84.4643 BTC [-]
1238939;1439665420;mircea_popescu;purdy cool
1238940;1439665460;*;asciilifeform has a separate display panel for the nodez, if anyone wondered, yes
1238941;1439665486;*;BingoBoingo actually kinda surprised Hearn didn't wait until the first weekend of September to drop his trousers for a fencing contest. Shitgnommery was starting to get a pattern.
1238942;1439665513;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought that his 'if enough of us, let's open fire' turd was released ages ago
1238943;1439665533;asciilifeform;a bit surprised to learn that it just now went out.
1238944;1439665553;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Idea of it was, then he released some binaries earlier this week for turd platforms. Now declaration of forking.
1238945;1439665625;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu4332k
1238946;1439665627;assbot;PhiMinD comments on Why is Bitcoin forking? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUl1h )
1238947;1439665666;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r03i/mike_hearn_is_saying_fork_might_ignore_the << linked, lulzy
1238948;1439665667;assbot;Mike Hearn is saying Fork might ignore the longest chain! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiUp0Y )
1238949;1439665679;mircea_popescu;it would have to.
1238950;1439665685;mircea_popescu;how else ?
1238951;1439665693;asciilifeform;tame/retarded minerz ?
1238952;1439665699;mircea_popescu;lol right.
1238953;1439665710;asciilifeform;hey, no shortage of the latter
1238954;1439665716;mircea_popescu;count the eth mining power.
1238955;1439665719;asciilifeform;as suggested by the july 4 incident
1238956;1439665725;mircea_popescu;no shortage of tyhe latter ON REDDIT
1238957;1439665735;mircea_popescu;or any other place where the bar to entry is not as high as to exclude the urban poor.
1238958;1439665739;asciilifeform;nah, in the land of the cat&dog eaters
1238959;1439665752;mircea_popescu;the chinese do learn.
1238960;1439665760;mircea_popescu;even if they have to be beaten with a nailed plank first
1238961;1439665763;mircea_popescu;they do learn.
1238962;1439665778;mircea_popescu;not so much can be said about the anglos.
1238963;1439665876;*;asciilifeform can't wait for the first tard block
1238964;1439665904;mircea_popescu;you are not alone.
1238965;1439665933;mircea_popescu;it will be absolutely great if they scam any exchange into accepting their shit as bitcoin, or otherwise if any retards pay money for xtc.
1238966;1439665941;mircea_popescu;for i have some bridges for sale.
1238967;1439666068;*;BingoBoingo suggest shorting instrument be refered to a TexasCoin or TXCoin for the phillipino's lulz and dyslexia
1238968;1439666142;asciilifeform;l0l xtc
1238969;1439666146;asciilifeform;extacy
1238970;1439666306;*;BingoBoingo going out to pick up some venom and bile. I can't even today.
1238971;1439666445;mircea_popescu;shorting instrument my foot. it can't be shorted for the same reason you can't short random idiot's imaginary girlfriend.
1238972;1439666451;mircea_popescu;he only buys from himself.
1238973;1439666648;asciilifeform;zulag shall down for maintenance for most of today, starting 30 seconds ago.
1238974;1439666890;kakobrekla;anyone running a tally on last blocks supporting increase?
1238975;1439667812;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Third graph http://xtnodes.com/ so far 0
1238976;1439667813;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
1238977;1439667879;kakobrekla;0, really ?
1238978;1439667915;BingoBoingo;Looking that way with blocks. Gotta remember Chicoms mine SPV, prolly haven't fiddled that string yet
1238979;1439668001;BingoBoingo;http://etramping.com/rather-go-hungry-eat-filipino-food-again/
1238980;1439668003;assbot;I Would Rather Go Hungry Than Eat Filipino Street Food Again! - eTramping.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITJZzC )
1238981;1439668148;BingoBoingo;"We were open to new things, we were willing to eat anything locals gave us and we were so curious about new dishes. That has changed after 4 days of stomachache, dizziness and feeling overtired and bloated." << Made for Redditing
1238982;1439668618;mircea_popescu;more of the "lowest common denominator is representatives for groups" ideology crashing on the jagged shores of reality.
1238983;1439668629;mircea_popescu;i was curious about dishes too, but i didn't expect to find them in the gutter.
1238984;1439668699;BingoBoingo;After research Phils does not seem like a destination to linger long when exit comes, if it even still makes the list by the time I get out.
1238985;1439669990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58844 @ 0.00071154 = 41.8699 BTC [+]
1238986;1439670287;BingoBoingo;!up King_Rex
1238987;1439670305;King_Rex;ty
1238988;1439670482;BingoBoingo;King_Rex: Thoughts on Hearn dropping his pants today?
1238989;1439670589;King_Rex;link? does this mean he'll stop talking?
1238990;1439670617;mircea_popescu;even max keiser is still talking.
1238991;1439670628;BingoBoingo;scroll up, no it means he's forking.
1238992;1439670723;King_Rex;oh noes?
1238993;1439670791;mod6;asciilifeform: I have successfully reproduced the rel1.patch on my own now with the same matching antecedent/new hashes.  I have script that reproduces this all the way up through v0.5.3.1 -- will continue on and do the same for up through v0.5.4 before let everyone see.  But, so far, so good.
1238994;1439670848;King_Rex;mircea_popescu i read Fefeleaga, thanks for posting
1238995;1439670852;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1238996;1439671187;BingoBoingo;Hello bitstein, been a while
1238997;1439671208;bitstein;Yea, mostly lurkin these days.
1238998;1439671255;bitstein;Didn't see this in the logs. Someone claiming to be Satoshi posted on the bitcoin-dev list: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html
1238999;1439671256;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxtigu )
1239000;1439671341;asciilifeform;i can't wait for a 'donation of constantine' moment
1239001;1439671349;asciilifeform;it'll be hilarious.
1239002;1439671414;asciilifeform;on one hand, poster said nothing profoundly retarded.
1239003;1439671419;asciilifeform;on other hand - no signature.
1239004;1439671427;asciilifeform;so could be you, me, hitler.
1239005;1439671481;BingoBoingo;bitstein: Well can't use the @gmx.whatever email anymore because haxxed. Curiously not signed
1239006;1439671491;bitstein;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: Satoshi didn't actually sign much (if anything?), so it would be hard to verify regardless.
1239007;1439671532;BingoBoingo;He signed enough that his signature could attest he wrote it or was rectotherm'd
1239008;1439671549;asciilifeform;could sign with his addresses, even.
1239009;1439671566;asciilifeform;or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key.
1239010;1439671574;bitstein;asciilifeform: yea, he could
1239011;1439671605;bitstein;BingoBoingo: What has he actually signed? Nothing is coming to mind immediately.
1239012;1439671612;asciilifeform;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010239.html << l0l
1239013;1439671613;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxtOex )
1239014;1439671625;asciilifeform;esp re: the 32-bit fp
1239015;1439671644;asciilifeform;somebody cook up a key with that fp as seen in idiot winblows pgp, and sign, for the lulz
1239016;1439671746;*;BingoBoingo too busy loading up the gallblader
1239017;1439671748;asciilifeform;!s 5EC948A1
1239018;1439671749;assbot;0 results for '5EC948A1' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=5EC948A1
1239019;1439671752;asciilifeform;;;google 5EC948A1
1239020;1439671753;gribble;Proof of Satoshi with signed key : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zs564/proof_of_satoshi_with_signed_key/>; Glenn Greenwald and Satoshi Nakamoto Comsec - Cryptome: <http://cryptome.org/2013/12/gg-satoshi-comsec.htm>; Satoshi Nakamoto's P2P foundation profile makes a reply - Bitcoin ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504715.0>
1239021;1439671790;asciilifeform;http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 << it ?
1239022;1439671791;assbot;Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nxu3Gw )
1239023;1439671803;bitstein;Spoiler warning: that "proof" on reddit was bs.
1239024;1439671812;asciilifeform;l0l 'john titor'
1239025;1439671817;shinohai;Isn't all "proof" on reddit?
1239026;1439671820;asciilifeform;(famous hoax)
1239027;1439671855;asciilifeform;trying to turn up something that was actually signed, ever, by 'satoshi'
1239028;1439671892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/
1239029;1439671893;assbot;The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxugJO )
1239030;1439671903;mircea_popescu;let me know if it actually makes any sense or i summarized to omuch
1239031;1439671950;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> or, if all else fails, the original gavinalert key. << not acceptable, been shared.
1239032;1439671961;asciilifeform;aye
1239033;1439671971;asciilifeform;but who's to say what has or has not been shared.
1239034;1439671986;asciilifeform;for all we know, original key is shared by the 1,001 nsa contractors who wrote the turd
1239035;1439671990;mircea_popescu;in that case, in the positive, me.
1239036;1439671994;mircea_popescu;in other cases, by the case.
1239037;1439672025;asciilifeform;so far the only thing i can turn up as 'satoshi's pubkey' is his coin addrs' privkeys
1239038;1439672034;asciilifeform;all else could easily be anyone.
1239039;1439672118;bitstein;asciilifeform: that's what i suspected
1239040;1439672154;shinohai;http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2
1239041;1439672155;assbot;Satoshi email analysis - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVXUs1 )
1239042;1439672268;shinohai;lel
1239043;1439672337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spiffy
1239044;1439672375;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still i find it interesting how impenetrable the usg 'never happened because we say so' shield is
1239045;1439672390;asciilifeform;e.g., not one sane inquiry from outside of #b-a re: phuctor, to date, afaik
1239046;1439672404;mircea_popescu;this hasd nothin to do with an yshield.
1239047;1439672406;asciilifeform;it's as if it happened on some distant solar system
1239048;1439672410;mircea_popescu;it has.
1239049;1439672437;mircea_popescu;do you know how many inquiries the mongols got from hungarians ?
1239050;1439672445;mircea_popescu;before wearing the hungarians as cock decorations ?
1239051;1439672471;mircea_popescu;like, say, at the time they were butchering around the don. how many hungarian dudes came over to ask questions ? dja know ?
1239052;1439672486;mircea_popescu;do you know how many us car makers were all over japan in the 50s ?
1239053;1439672501;mircea_popescu;"teh shield of teh usg was strong in the 50s car industree"
1239054;1439672818;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.krumel.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/yoyo.gif
1239055;1439672820;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxvLaZ )
1239056;1439672926;scoopbot_revived;The jerking around, a modern bedtime pattern. http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/
1239057;1439673435;asciilifeform;'your average Romanian fellow would readily prefer to earn 11 units, when everyone else earns 10, instead of an alternative where he earns 90, when everyone else earns 100, indifferent to the fact that 90 is still, significantly above 11. This, in the language, is called "the neighbour's goat problem".' << but this is rational !
1239058;1439673459;asciilifeform;at least in bitcoinlandia
1239059;1439673462;mircea_popescu;whether rational or not.
1239060;1439673529;mircea_popescu;in any case it makes the desires of post-capitalism, the welfare state and the consumerist society, impossible.
1239061;1439673543;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as at the time romanians declared they wish the latter, it was irrational.
1239062;1439673580;asciilifeform;folks want 'get rich while you sleep, damn it, not bathtub of 'monopoly' money.
1239063;1439673604;mircea_popescu;there's no way to get rich while you sleep that doens't include everyone else getting richer.
1239064;1439673654;wyrdmantis;i'll just leave this here http://imgur.com/PzD9EVR
1239065;1439673655;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW0MoT )
1239066;1439673675;asciilifeform;lelz
1239067;1439673828;shinohai;LOL
1239068;1439673840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have yet to fully grasp how this particular arithmetic handicap works. what is the mental process like, whereby schmuck doesn't wake up to the fact that 'get 90 while everyone gets 100' is equivalent to 'lose 1, keep 9, when everyone keeps 10' ?
1239069;1439673875;mircea_popescu;lose 2
1239070;1439673935;mircea_popescu;it's not hard to explain tho. there's a political and a biological approach to life. the political approach is the thought of the alpha, the thing that results in half decade of trench warfare and a ruined europe : "either you sit lower than me or we fight."
1239071;1439673951;asciilifeform;at any rate, the fixation with units of account is odd, if speaking of sovietized folk. i'd imagine they would realize that what they really want is 'sleep ad libitum', or even 'mercedes 600', rather than 'bag of benjies' per se
1239072;1439673959;mircea_popescu;the biological approach is, "all i need are three meals a day. half a meal a day is less than what i need, five meals a day is more. i prefer the latter"
1239073;1439673970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly wrong.
1239074;1439674012;mircea_popescu;there's a reason argentines are worried about "insecuridad" and mexicans abotu the fucking rain. they published a study here recently - the most worried about global warming is... south fucking america. they're still in the 1850s re sun here, even have their ozone.
1239075;1439674022;mircea_popescu;so, no. the soviets will be obsessed with units of account.
1239076;1439674026;*;asciilifeform measured this with own skin
1239077;1439674027;asciilifeform;the ozone.
1239078;1439674033;asciilifeform;was floored.
1239079;1439674077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3591 @ 0.00071302 = 2.5605 BTC [+]
1239080;1439674102;mircea_popescu;anwyay, back to the issue. buck will maintain a perimeter of forest edge and brush. with his life.
1239081;1439674110;mircea_popescu;doe will eat enough to raise her young.
1239082;1439674118;mircea_popescu;different approaches, for different needs.
1239083;1439674126;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238620 <<< yeah, sorry about that
1239084;1439674126;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 15:25:00; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238536 << maybe because it's actually 195.211.154.159 ?
1239085;1439674144;shinohai;https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml
1239086;1439674145;assbot;NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )
1239087;1439674164;shinohai;wrong window sorry guys
1239088;1439674196;asciilifeform;'IAD recognizes that there will be a move, in the not distant future, to a quantum resistant algorithm suite. Based on experience in deploying Suite B, we have determined to start planning and communicating early about the upcoming transition to quantum resistant algorithms. Our ultimate goal is to provide cost effective security against a potential quantum computer.  We are working with partners across the USG, vendors, and s
1239089;1439674197;asciilifeform;tandards bodies to ensure there is a clear plan for getting a new suite of algorithms that are developed in an open and transparent manner that will form the foundation of our next Suite of cryptographic algorithms. Until this new suite is developed and products are available implementing the quantum resistant suite, we will rely on current algorithms. For those partners and vendors that have not yet made the transition to Sui
1239090;1439674197;asciilifeform;te B algorithms, we recommend not making a significant expenditure to do so at this point but instead to prepare for the upcoming quantum resistant algorithm transition.'
1239091;1439674200;asciilifeform;^ l0l!
1239092;1439674203;asciilifeform;new verbiage
1239093;1439674212;asciilifeform;(can't recall this shit being in there earlier this year)
1239094;1439674237;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1239095;1439674251;mircea_popescu;wait, "across the usg" ?
1239096;1439674260;mircea_popescu;is this now polite terminology inside the perimeter ?
1239097;1439674266;asciilifeform;has been for 20yrs
1239098;1439674277;asciilifeform;what, thought mr mold & co invented it ?
1239099;1439674293;mircea_popescu;i read relatively little of their straight output
1239100;1439674308;mircea_popescu;too much of it, too woody.
1239101;1439674312;wyrdmantis;http://xtnodes.com/ italian derps are HOORAYing for a 10% surge in a few hours... i don't even...
1239102;1439674315;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
1239103;1439674344;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait wtf, don't move to suite b wait for suite qt ?!
1239104;1439674411;asciilifeform;'It is important to note that we aren�t asking vendors to stop implementing the Suite B algorithms and we aren�t asking our national security customers to stop using these algorithms.  Rather, we want to give more flexibility to vendors and our customers in the present as we prepare for a quantum safe future. Where elliptic curve protocols are to be used, we prefer Suite B standards be used to the fullest extent possible a
1239105;1439674412;asciilifeform;s they have a long history of security evaluation and time tested implementation that newer proposals do not yet have.'
1239106;1439674439;asciilifeform;hard to say, reads like the output of five separate monkeys who did not have any kind of complete picture each, other than a checklist of 'agenda items' to address
1239107;1439674460;mircea_popescu;this is directly contradicting the last phrase in the previous snippet.
1239108;1439674465;asciilifeform;aha
1239109;1439674469;asciilifeform;hence my observation.
1239110;1439674469;mircea_popescu;we aren't recommending you do what we just recommended you do.
1239111;1439674508;mircea_popescu;ridiculous. anyway, let teh usg keep on with the curves, wut.
1239112;1439674656;asciilifeform;kinda curious which hardness puzzle they'll bless for 'q-resistant'
1239113;1439674725;BingoBoingo;wyrdmantis: Majority of social media noise not italian, check their grammar
1239114;1439674920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you add two and substract two and it comes out as what it was it's quantum resistant right ?
1239115;1439674934;mircea_popescu;at least in 99.9% of cases.
1239116;1439674969;asciilifeform;qc is not a wholly imaginary item, but a well-defined gadget proposed by r. feynman (naturally without schematics..)
1239117;1439674986;mircea_popescu;on what grounds do yo uassume this is that ?
1239118;1439674989;asciilifeform;what will or will not run, is also not completely empty field (e.g., shor's algo)
1239119;1439674997;mircea_popescu;"scientist" is also a well defined gadget.
1239120;1439675011;asciilifeform;don't misunderstand, defined in strictly gedankenexperiment terms
1239121;1439675027;asciilifeform;in 'lectures on computation' (r. f.)
1239122;1439675037;mircea_popescu;there is no basis that i can perceive on which one could propose that the term "quantum" as used by usg in any context has any meaning.
1239123;1439675042;wyrdmantis;BingoBoingo: yes, i know, but the italian community that uses Telegram chatrooms is on fire tonight
1239124;1439675054;mircea_popescu;i didn't know you were italian wyrdmantis
1239125;1439675067;mircea_popescu;then again i also didn't know telegram is some sort of chatroom, so.
1239126;1439675078;asciilifeform;they are speaking of a particular machine, which no one (as publicly known has built), but, e.g., 'd-wave' fraudulently sold to a few rich schmucks, and the difficulties of construction are not mysterious
1239127;1439675082;asciilifeform;like airplane in 1880
1239128;1439675090;mircea_popescu;how do you know they are ?
1239129;1439675093;BingoBoingo;wyrdmantis: Any of them with interesting business opportunities in the Middle west?
1239130;1439675105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly better comparison is hot fusion
1239131;1439675122;mircea_popescu;probably even better comparison is "stealth"
1239132;1439675131;mircea_popescu;turns out the stealth airplane is not stealth in any sense.
1239133;1439675134;asciilifeform;in that aficionados will point to a list of fairly specific, supposedly-'we're almost there' problems, that in point of fact no one knows how to solve ~~in ensemble~~
1239134;1439675146;mircea_popescu;and as the chief procurer pointed out "if you break the guidance at any point, we're still gonna call it stealth"
1239135;1439675152;asciilifeform;individually - one? sure. while exacerbating the others.
1239136;1439675175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64887 @ 0.00068782 = 44.6306 BTC [-]
1239137;1439675190;wyrdmantis;BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe?
1239138;1439675192;mircea_popescu;now, granted, stealth is a well defined concept.
1239139;1439675196;mircea_popescu;but not so in usg usage.
1239140;1439675207;asciilifeform;originally well-defined, in the 'theory of edge wave' paper
1239141;1439675220;asciilifeform;then - marketards got to it, aha.
1239142;1439675228;asciilifeform;but they devour everything
1239143;1439675230;mircea_popescu;i just don't see any cause to suspect this is what they;'re talking about
1239144;1439675232;mod6;asciilifeform: ok here it is: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh
1239145;1439675233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW3w5F )
1239146;1439675233;asciilifeform;like graveworms
1239147;1439675277;asciilifeform;mod6: spiffy
1239148;1439675280;*;asciilifeform bbl
1239149;1439675289;mod6;So I've basically been able to reproduce both of your rel1.patch & rel2-pre.patch -- and I went through your patch with my script's created patch side by side by hand and verified the sha512s
1239150;1439675328;mod6;Anyone who wants to please be a second pair of eyes here: run the script and then compare the scripts version to ascii's version:
1239151;1439675329;wyrdmantis;mircea_popescu: i'm italian yes, and telegram is like Whatsapp but free, nothing that may interest you
1239152;1439675345;mod6;orchestra/rel1.patch v. orchestra/test-v0531-patches/rel1-test.patch
1239153;1439675347;mod6;and
1239154;1439675364;mod6;orchestra/rel2-pre.patch v. orchestra/test-v054-patches/rel2-pre-test.patch
1239155;1439675375;davout;mircea_popescu: x.eur plz
1239156;1439676006;BingoBoingo;<wyrdmantis> BingoBoingo: i don't know, what do you mean with Middle west? Europe? << Missourah
1239157;1439676120;BingoBoingo;wyrdmantis: If you know any Wops with a plan that isn't tarded I'd cross the river for that just to get out of Illinois though recent opportunities to take money Illinois would offer other people seem interesting if they pan out.
1239158;1439676124;mircea_popescu;for free ie, like whatsap was free : yet.
1239159;1439676132;mircea_popescu;hoping to one day find some idiots to "buy" it
1239160;1439676132;mircea_popescu;etc.
1239161;1439676153;mircea_popescu;dav aha in a moment.
1239162;1439676212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00068782 = 37.7957 BTC [-] {2} 
1239163;1439676683;shinohai;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/   <<< memories!
1239164;1439676684;assbot;Surfing the Internet… from my TRS-80 Model 100 | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW6kj1 )
1239165;1439676819;wyrdmantis;BingoBoingo i'll investigate
1239166;1439676877;BingoBoingo;wyrdmantis: No hurry. I'm probably not going to be to interested if anything comes up anyways and introductions are important. They should have known me first.
1239167;1439677367;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisonous_pedagogy << bwahahaha
1239168;1439677367;assbot;Poisonous pedagogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW7n2y )
1239169;1439677369;trinque;aka spanking your kid
1239170;1439677451;shinohai;trinque: werent you the gentleman that had a gentoo build script?
1239171;1439677464;trinque;shinohai: sure do
1239172;1439677481;trinque;in teh logs, lemme see
1239173;1439677498;shinohai;I remember you posting it but I lost the paste ... for qemu if memory serves
1239174;1439677513;trinque;right, easy to alter though for an arbitrary block device
1239175;1439677521;trinque;just have to hack some things out of the lilo config
1239176;1439677527;trinque;and change two vars at the top
1239177;1439677545;shinohai;nah i need something for qemu tbh
1239178;1439677575;shinohai;So I can watch it like Sesame St. until I get the hang of it
1239179;1439677586;trinque;ah k, and cool; exactly why I targeted that first
1239180;1439677601;trinque;lemme actually sign the thing then
1239181;1439677615;shinohai;kk
1239182;1439677860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12309 @ 0.00069696 = 8.5789 BTC [+]
1239183;1439677920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71915 @ 0.00072048 = 51.8133 BTC [+] {4} 
1239184;1439677923;trinque;shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig
1239185;1439677924;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoesG4 )
1239186;1439677925;trinque;shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh
1239187;1439677926;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoesG8 )
1239188;1439677951;trinque;knobs at the top, will currently squeeze out a root.img in the current directory
1239189;1439677968;trinque;lemme know how it goes
1239190;1439678007;trinque;and the thing's written such that you can go edit the config files easily from within, should you want to
1239191;1439678015;trinque;pick a different stage3, change make.conf, whatever
1239192;1439678041;trinque;it also assumes you have the gentoo releases gpg pubkey
1239193;1439678212;trinque;oh also run as root; it needs to for example loop-mount the image
1239194;1439678259;trinque;and finally, the current stage3 in there is actually stale. so you'll have to alter that.
1239195;1439678305;trinque;20150813
1239196;1439678317;trinque;I don't like that they delete the old stage3's so quickly...
1239197;1439678337;trinque;how the fuck am I supposed to be able to say that "this one is known to work"
1239198;1439678558;trinque;stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-20150813.tar.bz2 <<
1239199;1439678572;trinque;or whatever ya like
1239200;1439678579;shinohai;ty \o/
1239201;1439678591;shinohai;i searched the logs for HOURS
1239202;1439678613;trinque;np, bout to depart, so hopefully that gets ya through
1239203;1439678710;trinque;the gentoo key you want is 13EB BDBE DE7A 1277 5DFD  B1BA BB57 2E0E 2D18 2910
1239204;1439678718;shinohai;I appreciate your support to my cause!
1239205;1439678727;trinque;hey no problem
1239206;1439678729;trinque;ttyl
1239207;1439678815;shinohai;o7
1239208;1439678962;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/DCnDovk.jpg
1239209;1439678963;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWa0RR )
1239210;1439679103;wyrdmantis;shinoai lolz, i was about to post the same image
1239211;1439679215;punkman;http://snakeoil.cr.yp.to/
1239212;1439679216;assbot;Snake Oil Crypto Competition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWaqYF )
1239213;1439679689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17447 @ 0.00072343 = 12.6217 BTC [+] {3} 
1239214;1439679930;shinohai;nice punkman, I had to channel my inner 90's
1239215;1439679994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26270 @ 0.00073944 = 19.4251 BTC [+]
1239216;1439680075;punkman;https://underhandedcrypto.com/2015/08/08/crypto-privacy-village-contest-winners/
1239217;1439680076;assbot;Crypto & Privacy Village Contest Winners! | Underhanded Crypto Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxFvBR )
1239218;1439680778;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239163 << i read that piece not long ago, while contemplating buying one.
1239219;1439680778;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 22:11:23; shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/surfing-the-internet-from-my-trs-80-model-100/   <<< memories!
1239220;1439680786;asciilifeform;and searching for docs
1239221;1439680832;shinohai;I still have an original Extended Colour Basic manual lol
1239222;1439680844;shinohai;dem GOTO's
1239223;1439680936;cazalla;asciilifeform, are these AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed errors a problem? also is it normal behaviour to gain so many new connections from other ips? i thought i'd only be syncing from dulap http://dpaste.com/3KHQH2A.txt
1239224;1439680937;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWcQXd )
1239225;1439680953;asciilifeform;cazalla: what are your run arguments ?
1239226;1439680991;asciilifeform;cazalla: and you'll be seeing an ocean of 'ConnectInputs failed' if you're not at top block height
1239227;1439680995;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1239228;1439681019;cazalla;just ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect=195.211.154.159
1239229;1439681066;asciilifeform;cazalla: i don't see any connections from other ip ?
1239230;1439681067;asciilifeform;in that log
1239231;1439681068;BingoBoingo;cazalla: In your log?
1239232;1439681086;cazalla;asciilifeform, at the bottom
1239233;1439681119;asciilifeform;what is in the snipped part ?
1239234;1439681141;cazalla;accepted connection 54.186.43.50:38455 these and many other ip addresses
1239235;1439681152;asciilifeform;view process list, is it running with the args you thought you ran with ?
1239236;1439681162;asciilifeform;and is the only instance
1239237;1439681174;punkman;you might have addnode in config
1239238;1439681196;asciilifeform;and this
1239239;1439681291;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2775
1239240;1439681292;assbot;JL: Hos in the Hood ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWd944 )
1239241;1439681326;cazalla;not using addnode and process list shows what i ran as in  "jon      23241  3.8  0.6 2106956 51844 pts/0   SLl+ 08:43   1:44 ./bitcoind -myip=*.*.*.* -connect=195.211.154.159
1239242;1439681355;asciilifeform;netstat -a    ?
1239243;1439681405;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'their elven palaces in Rivendale' << fucking illiterate
1239244;1439681408;asciilifeform;it's rivendell
1239245;1439681419;asciilifeform;wtf inglisch speaker doesn't know this ?!!!$
1239246;1439681457;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: To be fair I read him now because you introduced him to this chan, and seriously who respects the fantasy worlds of a Briton?
1239247;1439681463;asciilifeform;me??
1239248;1439681466;asciilifeform;dun think so.
1239249;1439681505;asciilifeform;!s from:asciilifeform www.jameslafond.com
1239250;1439681506;assbot;0 results for 'from:asciilifeform www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+www.jameslafond.com
1239251;1439681512;asciilifeform;!s from:ascii_field www.jameslafond.com
1239252;1439681513;assbot;0 results for 'from:ascii_field www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+www.jameslafond.com
1239253;1439681515;asciilifeform;QED.
1239254;1439681529;asciilifeform;!s from:decimation www.jameslafond.com
1239255;1439681529;assbot;3 results for 'from:decimation www.jameslafond.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Adecimation+www.jameslafond.com
1239256;1439681533;asciilifeform;^ was him i think.
1239257;1439681535;BingoBoingo;hmmm... I could have swore you introduced his links when Baltimore burned
1239258;1439681540;BingoBoingo;AH
1239259;1439681549;BingoBoingo;Twas the ghost
1239260;1439681596;asciilifeform;the z80 article has spiffy photos
1239261;1439681600;asciilifeform;recommended.
1239262;1439681607;BingoBoingo;I can't remember the details of that drama, but damned if I don't confuse him for everyone else
1239263;1439681611;cazalla;asciilifeform, what am i looking for in netstat? also, i still had 8333 port forwarding in router going on for 0.8.3, might that be the problem?
1239264;1439681626;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you may be confusing him with diametric, like mircea_popescu did on a few occasions
1239265;1439681633;asciilifeform;diametric is an actual person i see just about every day.
1239266;1439681673;BingoBoingo;I've always confused him with diametric. In this case I think I confused with you because you talked about having been to the burning places in Baltimore now that I think about it.
1239267;1439681690;asciilifeform;i have been to them. prior to their burning.
1239268;1439681732;mircea_popescu;that wikipedia article is a rare example of extreme millitant ignorance.
1239269;1439681736;mircea_popescu;a) the term is older than freud
1239270;1439681756;BingoBoingo;Lafond guy seems to have some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff, and some interesting fiction. Just that accounting for getting hit in the head part takes work.
1239271;1439681768;mircea_popescu;b) it readily describes all sorts of known-broken apprtoaches and techniques. such as the use of blackmail. it pointedly has nothing to do with either beating or set time breastfeeding
1239272;1439681794;mircea_popescu;the two women named, miller and the other one, are unrelated to any academic field and especially unimportant for child rearing or child psychology.
1239273;1439681820;asciilifeform;it isn't an article, it is cant, and this is detectable via five-second litmus of first paragraphs
1239274;1439681829;*;asciilifeform doesn't typically bother to read these
1239275;1439681845;mircea_popescu;but i am curious to see if this new trend will in some sort of timeframe bring us the black man invented cellphone of 2020
1239276;1439681852;asciilifeform;here already
1239277;1439681855;mircea_popescu;etc.
1239278;1439681859;asciilifeform;soviet elephants are the biggest in the world!
1239279;1439681861;mircea_popescu;well can't be here already, not yet 2020
1239280;1439681891;mircea_popescu;in any case, sure, "buterin and hearn invented bitcoin in 2017" is just about the same deal.
1239281;1439681917;asciilifeform;it'll be ethylin or somesuch
1239282;1439681924;asciilifeform;propylin
1239283;1439681936;asciilifeform;heptylin.
1239284;1439681987;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least alexithymia
1239285;1439681997;mircea_popescu;because if you say it in greek it ceases to be contemptibly stuopid.
1239286;1439682029;mircea_popescu;The term "alexithymia" was coined by psychotherapist Peter Sifneos in 1973
1239287;1439682043;mircea_popescu;except you can't "coin" anything if nobody ever heard about you or cared to read your stuff.
1239288;1439682260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform back to the earlier issue. how do you reconcile your concept of "a file" with your concept of notation ?
1239289;1439682266;asciilifeform;wai wat
1239290;1439682267;mircea_popescu;seems utf-8 is requisite.
1239291;1439682273;mircea_popescu;you can't have ascii.
1239292;1439682274;asciilifeform;why ?
1239293;1439682283;asciilifeform;can have what you want in the file
1239294;1439682295;mircea_popescu;because what is the difference between "this file is noted in ascii" and "this file includes a hash"
1239295;1439682296;asciilifeform;because don't care what's inside
1239296;1439682305;mircea_popescu;but ascii implies oyu must care.
1239297;1439682306;asciilifeform;if you care what's inside, now you have to cut it
1239298;1439682333;asciilifeform;i can (and often do) sign a tar.gz
1239299;1439682343;asciilifeform;or, on one occasion, 10MB of rng output
1239300;1439682352;asciilifeform;(or how much was it.)
1239301;1439682365;mircea_popescu;but these are numbers.
1239302;1439682370;asciilifeform;aha
1239303;1439682381;asciilifeform;let's work this out.
1239304;1439682403;asciilifeform;if i want to embed hashes next to their payload, i get an explosion of complexity. because,
1239305;1439682405;mircea_popescu;on what basis does ascii notation exist ?
1239306;1439682418;asciilifeform;1) now i have to remove the header before hashing the payload
1239307;1439682434;asciilifeform;2) have to represent the header differently if payload is meant to be displayable ascii, than if it is a binary
1239308;1439682443;asciilifeform;(that is, unconstrained to printable chars)
1239309;1439682472;asciilifeform;btw 'binaries' are not merely 'un-ascii' but include intrinsic unprintables (control chars)
1239310;1439682480;asciilifeform;so it isn't an ascii vs utf fight
1239311;1439682486;mircea_popescu;but on what basis does this particular alphabet exist.
1239312;1439682496;asciilifeform;on the basis of the fella who build the vt100
1239313;1439682499;asciilifeform;ask him, not me.
1239314;1439682513;asciilifeform;some codes were reserved for line feed, dinging the bell (yes), etc.
1239315;1439682574;mircea_popescu;right.
1239316;1439682597;asciilifeform;cat /dev/random    and see what you get.
1239317;1439682607;asciilifeform;or some other source of binaryrubbish
1239318;1439682631;asciilifeform;you will even notice that sometimes this results in a permanently b0rk3d terminal.
1239319;1439682660;kakobrekla;happens when i tail the wrong thing.
1239320;1439682664;mircea_popescu;right ?
1239321;1439682665;asciilifeform;aha.
1239322;1439682686;mircea_popescu;so then how do you resolve this ?
1239323;1439682697;asciilifeform;by out of band sign.
1239324;1439682702;mircea_popescu;mno.
1239325;1439682718;mircea_popescu;the fact that your cat /dev/random breaks things is PROOF that you are already using something like "hash" in your file.
1239326;1439682718;asciilifeform;or with magical fairy dust.
1239327;1439682729;asciilifeform;wai wat
1239328;1439682730;punkman;best thing you can do with text encodings is guess
1239329;1439682752;mircea_popescu;there is necessarily no difference, at the conceptual level we're discussing, between "don't put hash in file" and "ascii doesn't exist"
1239330;1439682764;asciilifeform;throwing garbage into a vt100-compatible terminal breaks things for reasons that are not mysterious at all. rtfm?
1239331;1439682793;mircea_popescu;manuals don't matter.
1239332;1439682799;asciilifeform;terminal has state.
1239333;1439682803;mircea_popescu;i can write a manual for how to interact with my file with hashes in it
1239334;1439682807;asciilifeform;and various oddities not really used in modern times.
1239335;1439682810;mircea_popescu;"explosion of complexity", ie, the need for manuals.
1239336;1439682825;asciilifeform;ok back to the example
1239337;1439682835;asciilifeform;say we ask that a file carry hash in a header.
1239338;1439682844;asciilifeform;IT CANNOT BE THE SAME FORMAT FOR bins and text
1239339;1439682862;mircea_popescu;im not really interested in the practical example, but in the theoretical objection.
1239340;1439682862;asciilifeform;because if we deal with the insides of any text, ever, we suddenly get line-endings and escapes and crapola
1239341;1439682868;asciilifeform;this is the objection
1239342;1439682873;asciilifeform;cannot be oblivious of payload
1239343;1439682886;asciilifeform;cannot rehash just by cat file | sha512sum
1239344;1439682910;asciilifeform;now have to put in a whole paragraph of sed, tr, and other potentially drepperized utils
1239345;1439682921;asciilifeform;(i, for instance, know of two separate exploitable bugs in 'strings'.)
1239346;1439682927;mircea_popescu;so you're not really defending a principle, you're just saying "we already have all the complexity for X idiocy, and not for Y idiocy, thus X i won't notice and Y i'll reject"
1239347;1439682936;asciilifeform;no.
1239348;1439682940;mircea_popescu;then speak to it.
1239349;1439682953;asciilifeform;the present scheme has intrinsically fewer moving parts.
1239350;1439682959;asciilifeform;and is more oblivious of contents.
1239351;1439682961;asciilifeform;ergo superior.
1239352;1439682973;mircea_popescu;but by that same principle, ascii is an unacceptable convention.
1239353;1439682973;asciilifeform;whereas the alternative is only even contemplated because pgp is retarded.
1239354;1439682997;asciilifeform;ascii is retarded. complain to the central committee, or who was it.
1239355;1439683002;asciilifeform;ckkpss.
1239356;1439683011;mircea_popescu;so you agree that actually ascii is dumb and has no place in computing ?
1239357;1439683028;asciilifeform;sure is.
1239358;1439683030;mircea_popescu;and utf-8, or whatever other unfixed width translation scheme, is the right approach ?
1239359;1439683038;asciilifeform;it still won't display /dev/random
1239360;1439683040;asciilifeform;meaningfully
1239361;1439683065;asciilifeform;btw, in-band signalling is precisely why an animal like 'backspace' is a character
1239362;1439683068;asciilifeform;or line-end
1239363;1439683069;asciilifeform;etc
1239364;1439683098;asciilifeform;iirc tcp as originally proposed had a second channel for virtual 'out of band' ! but was never used.
1239365;1439683099;asciilifeform;by anyone.
1239366;1439683104;asciilifeform;because 'eh why'd we need that!'
1239367;1439683126;mircea_popescu;im starting to think there's really a lot more than meets my eye.
1239368;1439683130;asciilifeform;there sure is
1239369;1439683131;mircea_popescu;here*
1239370;1439683148;mircea_popescu;but ascii is eminently A REDUCTION of complexity!
1239371;1439683162;mircea_popescu;and tcp with 2nd chan did not catch on precisely because added complexity.
1239372;1439683168;asciilifeform;or so it appeared.
1239373;1439683174;mircea_popescu;it still does. to this very day.
1239374;1439683192;asciilifeform;the question of 'which road to take to ultimately get fewer moving parts' is the mega-question in all engineering
1239375;1439683194;mircea_popescu;they got python to work with it in six weeks over pizza, and they still don't have python that works with special chars
1239376;1439683201;mircea_popescu;ten years of trying late.rt
1239377;1439683218;asciilifeform;but ten years of who..
1239378;1439683238;mircea_popescu;supposedly some of the original crew at least for part of it
1239379;1439683381;asciilifeform;aha.
1239380;1439683392;asciilifeform;the folks who couldn't crack the wallnut in the first try.
1239381;1439683400;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1BM4C5Y.txt
1239382;1439683401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjNHIe )
1239383;1439683401;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1239384;1439683410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.88363783 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 37 satoshi per share
1239385;1439683476;asciilifeform;briefly back to that thread: the only way to have a channel where any possible bits are correctly drawable on a terminal, is to put the control codes (which move the cursor, or flip colours, or ring fucking bells, or release guillotine blade, or whatnot) on ~another~ channel.
1239386;1439683487;asciilifeform;tertium non datur.
1239387;1439683499;asciilifeform;naggum has umpteen threads where he fights with various folks over xml attributes
1239388;1439683518;asciilifeform;which he regarded (having had the misfortune to play a part in creating!) as a similar kind of retardation
1239389;1439683547;asciilifeform;separation of structure and content is hard (and questionably doable at all)
1239390;1439683550;mircea_popescu;how did he end up playing a part ?
1239391;1439683554;mircea_popescu;aha!
1239392;1439683558;asciilifeform;he was on the sgml brigade.
1239393;1439683563;mircea_popescu;that's what im leading to. how do you know it's possible.
1239394;1439683569;asciilifeform;we... don't.
1239395;1439683592;asciilifeform;and, as perpetuum mobile, all attempts at doing the fundamentally impossible are bound to end in tears
1239396;1439683595;asciilifeform;of one kind or other.
1239397;1439683601;mircea_popescu;so then why are we having this discussion.
1239398;1439683665;asciilifeform;because,
1239399;1439683673;asciilifeform;pointing out that unix will let us work with an arbitrary bitstring,
1239400;1439683686;asciilifeform;but if you allow that it is to be ~ever~ a displayable string,
1239401;1439683691;asciilifeform;you're in for a world of turd.
1239402;1439683715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 109.97017252 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 21 satoshi per share
1239403;1439683726;asciilifeform;if it is permissible to say ~it is never displayable~, then you have an ordinary bin format, e.g., 'gzip'
1239404;1439683762;*;asciilifeform bbl, eating
1239405;1439683762;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3HC5S7V.txt
1239406;1439683764;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TH46Gc )
1239407;1439683765;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1239408;1439683802;mircea_popescu;dat mpoe graph
1239409;1439683871;BingoBoingo;http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/columbia-man-in-confederate-flag-fight-gives-his-side-rebel/article_17d3f082-412e-11e5-89a8-9b3d1bdc1f58.html
1239410;1439683872;assbot;Columbia man in Confederate flag fight gives his side; ‘Rebel runs’ hit Lancaster | Local News | lancasteronline.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TH4epe )
1239411;1439683982;BingoBoingo;https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/11/campus-rape-expert-who-misrepresented-hi
1239412;1439683985;assbot;Campus Rape Expert Who Misrepresented His Work Faces Powerful New Criticism - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjO8ST )
1239413;1439684021;mircea_popescu;as if there exists anyone in the verbiage side of the us who doesn't, as a principal actiuvity, misrepresent their work.
1239414;1439684047;mircea_popescu;all they do is talk about what they did. that supposedly isn't talking about what they did, so necessarily they gotta be misrepresentin'.
1239415;1439684057;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I misrepresent Qntra to fellow USians as mowing lawns
1239416;1439684066;mircea_popescu;lol
1239417;1439684102;mircea_popescu;"acclaimed expert on the subject of campus sexual assault"
1239418;1439684106;mircea_popescu;wait. what ?!
1239419;1439684115;mircea_popescu;how is this a subject and who acclaimed when ?
1239420;1439684154;BingoBoingo;He came up with the "all campus rapes are drink drugging serial offenders" theory
1239421;1439684169;mircea_popescu;anyway, at issue in the "cultural revolution" camp is getting rid of the inconvenient theory that rape is rare and rapists few
1239422;1439684170;BingoBoingo;And this article is a woman saying nope
1239423;1439684184;mircea_popescu;they would like all men to be rapists and all interaction rape, at least "to some degree"
1239424;1439684197;BingoBoingo;"microaggressions"
1239425;1439684197;mircea_popescu;thus every man and every interaction requiring something like a permission slip from... well..
1239426;1439684203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00072653 = 7.3016 BTC [-]
1239427;1439684252;mircea_popescu;but i do appreciate the significant increase in discoursive vitriol.
1239428;1439684253;*;BingoBoingo remembers owning a perhaps poor translation of the communist manifesto that suggested ho trains as a replacement for marriage.
1239429;1439684263;mircea_popescu;"he is guilty, he reprsented his research as relevant!"
1239430;1439684273;mircea_popescu;exactly what mary whatsername will be hanged from.
1239431;1439684304;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure we are going to run out of trees
1239432;1439684741;mircea_popescu;only need 15 tree-minutes per.
1239433;1439684819;BingoBoingo;I thought we were going to skip the rope and hang them by the anal spincter until they bleed out or starve. I'll have to redo my forest evaluations and my Forrest evaluations.
1239434;1439685835;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure this time it was ascii who recommended butt pikes for Hearnias including a recommendation for a particular species of pine
1239435;1439685839;BingoBoingo;!s pine
1239436;1439685840;assbot;46 results for 'pine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pine
1239437;1439685850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073234 = 7.0671 BTC [+] {3} 
1239438;1439685916;BingoBoingo;Maybe I am just old and slipping
1239439;1439685991;BingoBoingo;Re: Bob Beck and the MicroShaft revolving door: http://philippinefailblog.com/little-miss-take-dating-in-manila/
1239440;1439685994;assbot;Little Miss Take: Dating In Manila | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DTXFOl )
1239441;1439686043;BingoBoingo;"There were 2 puppies that often came to our home to sleep in the shade. I thought they were wild dogs. I gave them milk or water. Well about 1 week later one puppy was dead in front of our gate. We found out the dogs belonged to our next door neighbor. There were many kids laughing around the dead body so we asked the neighbor to remove the dog for us. She said in a while we are preparing dinner. Then a few days later we noticed
1239442;1439686043;BingoBoingo;she ran over the other puppy in her driveway killing it too."
1239443;1439686076;BingoBoingo;"They can�t look after themselves. These are extremely lazy freeloaders that have no concept of things or any initiative. They say it�s their culture but it�s simply a freeloading lazy exploitative narcissistic mentality, a kind prostitution and uncivilized behavior. "
1239444;1439686234;BingoBoingo;I can tell you the worst in all of this they don�t consider me at all or what I want even though I�m paying, that�s the worst of it
1239445;1439686254;BingoBoingo;^When facing such a Bob Beck, best not to be the paying Theo
1239446;1439686480;hanbot;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).
1239447;1439686480;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 19:12:55; hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)
1239448;1439686585;hanbot;i had tabs of "patches to apply" open for two weeks in a mess of others, it got nice and fucked up meanwhile and i hadn't reverified before patching, hurrdurr. yest rebuilt with correct sequence (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209307), looks good, notes tonight.
1239449;1439687781;mircea_popescu;i tell you, the expectation that people will do what you tell them is widely misplace.
1239450;1439687788;mircea_popescu;most people aren't even equipped to comprehend what's being said.
1239451;1439687959;mircea_popescu;"A month later I get a text asking me to invest in her business." right.
1239452;1439688032;punkman;"Im  dating a girl for over a year. During this period I pay for flights,  hotels, food, clothing, gifts for family, medicine, doctors, taxis, coco  juice…basically everything. 100s of thousands of pesos. During this  time I wasn’t treated to a single drink, not even a glass of water.  She’s obsessed with selfies and facebook."
1239453;1439688045;punkman;so after declining 11 times, he fell for it?
1239454;1439688045;mircea_popescu;"#10. I date a girl for 6 months. We get on fine. She texts me and asks for nearly 70000pesos for house deposit for her and her gay friend who are both house hunting. She says she and friend will pay it back to me the very next day. I decline. She tells me I�m dumped."
1239455;1439688047;mircea_popescu;bwhahaah win.
1239456;1439688105;mircea_popescu;dude's a naive twerp. you put them to work.
1239457;1439688110;mircea_popescu;who ever heard of this bs.
1239458;1439688428;punkman;http://philippinefailblog.com/my-experience-dating-a-filipina/ even bigger chump
1239459;1439688430;assbot;My Experience Dating A Filipina | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUfuJY )
1239460;1439688450;punkman;"I’ve  asked to her to not leave candy wrappers on the bed or food on the  counter as I find hundreds of ants when she does but she does anyway."
1239461;1439688671;mircea_popescu;date a filipino chick ; not make her clean up your house. wtf ?!
1239462;1439688682;mircea_popescu;it's almost like dating a mexican and not making him do your gardening.
1239463;1439688694;mircea_popescu;woman married to a pole with a leaky toilet. wtf people!
1239464;1439688900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00073004 = 14.0898 BTC [-]
1239465;1439689151;mircea_popescu;good god this just goes on and on. heh.
1239466;1439689177;mircea_popescu;ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.
1239467;1439691729;asciilifeform;hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239446 << any particular reason for the omissions, or mistake ?
1239468;1439691729;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 00:54:40; hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1235149 << for the record i bungled this, built a (seemingly working nevertheless) frankenstein patch-quilt (dnsseed_snipsnip, thermonyukyoolar_kleansing, kills-integer-retardation, ver_now_5_4_endless_name_string, zap_hardcoded_seeds, showmyip_crud, if anyone's interested).
1239469;1439691770;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239466 << to paraphrase william gibson re: 'future' - it is ~already~ in maryland, 'just not evenly distributed'
1239470;1439691770;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 01:39:37; mircea_popescu: ironically, the phillipines were a great place before being "progressed". so... expect it in maryland.
1239471;1439691797;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-26253 << lol at some dude. is this a new alt of an old scammer or wut.
1239472;1439691799;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1heNvhq )
1239473;1439691828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00073003 = 20.4773 BTC [-] {5} 
1239474;1439691939;hanbot;asciilifeform bad hygiene on my part. by the time i'd gotten the release to build my tabs "saved for later when patching" were a mess, and i didn't re-check.
1239475;1439691952;asciilifeform;ah
1239476;1439691970;asciilifeform;can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own
1239477;1439691987;asciilifeform;it has all mainline patches released to date.
1239478;1439692010;asciilifeform;(in the case of rel1, literally; in the case of rel2-pre - all that have been proposed for that release)
1239479;1439692054;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1239480;1439692061;asciilifeform;incitatus is back.
1239481;1439692072;asciilifeform;(in the unlikely event anyone missed it!)
1239482;1439692139;asciilifeform;zoolag
1239483;1439692140;asciilifeform;damn it
1239484;1439692142;asciilifeform;zoolag is back.
1239485;1439692153;asciilifeform;incitatus, old piece of shit, was not the subject of this story.
1239486;1439692545;hanbot;<asciilifeform> can use 'orchestra' if you're satisfied with mod6's verification thereof, or care to conduct own << likely will try it out, yeah.
1239487;1439693502;asciilifeform;http://www.krivosheev.ru/1-HTML/Svejkovina/Nohavica/Sekne-context.html << i nominate for prize, 'worst translation on the planet'
1239488;1439693503;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1heRbQe )
1239489;1439693664;phf;hehe
1239490;1439693710;phf;vkontakte-friendly translation methodology
1239491;1439694187;asciilifeform;'The laziness I witnessed just from her was shocking. One of the homes we rented was so disgustingly filthy when we arrived. My immediate response was to get to it and clean. The appliances were brown and greasy and under them was even worse. I began to move furniture and wash the floors, clean washrooms etc. and scrubbing film off the floors and tiles while she was spread out on the couch watching movies. I was furious about
1239492;1439694187;asciilifeform;the condition of the place because the previous tenants were her sister and family members that had lived there and left it in this condition. My girlfriend threw our food in no particular order in the cupboards and fridge. I noticed thousands of red ants all over the counter and in the cupboards. Once I removed the food products I noticed thousands more and ant eggs all over. I asked her to get off her ass to help she wiped a
1239493;1439694187;asciilifeform; few shelves but missed many. I am paying for all of this for her and her 2 siblings and assuming most of the responsibility for everything else. She leaves lights on, fridge door open which is already a piece of junk, food gets wasted, and drinks� aren�t cold, she takes no initiative and wonders why I am angry with her all the time.' << win
1239494;1439694230;asciilifeform;why, one wonders, did he not fuck a pig instead
1239495;1439694231;asciilifeform;cheaper.
1239496;1439694294;punkman;whole blog is full of complaining about girlfriends/wives
1239497;1439694302;asciilifeform;'Furnished means rat infested and this is not an exaggeration either w/ dirty linen, leaky gas lines etc. We ran out of a fresh tank of gas only in a few days and kept seeing a rat in our unit. We couldn�t find him until one day, living in our sofa. We heard him nightly and found droppings. It wasn�t until I tore apart the bottom of the sofa to find him there. By the way this is considered an upscale area and where there a
1239498;1439694303;asciilifeform;re many foreign men supporting the women here. This rat was probably living here years without any Filipinos tenants being disturbed by any of this.' << am i missing something
1239499;1439694311;asciilifeform;or is the allegation here that rats somehow live on leaking gas ?
1239500;1439694321;asciilifeform;or am i alone in expecting a paragraph to stick to a subject.
1239501;1439694377;punkman;"the previous tenants were her sister and family members"
1239502;1439694387;punkman;maybe pet rat
1239503;1439694469;asciilifeform;at least they've invented sport crucifixion !
1239504;1439694482;asciilifeform;who said philippines were worthless.
1239505;1439694521;asciilifeform;aficionados - straight to 'google images'.
1239506;1439694615;punkman;oh like self-flagellation?
1239507;1439694619;asciilifeform;mno
1239508;1439694623;asciilifeform;crucifixion.
1239509;1439694624;asciilifeform;with nails.
1239510;1439694630;punkman;I mean in that spirit
1239511;1439694641;asciilifeform;(they take'em down at the end of the day, sure.)
1239512;1439694756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58750 @ 0.00070469 = 41.4005 BTC [-] {7} 
1239513;1439694859;asciilifeform;'BLARNEY is the leading source of FISA collection, producing over 11,000 reports and is consistently a top contributor to the President's Daily Brief. The program contributes to over 60% of product reporting to the Counterterrorism product line and over 80% of the overall FAA reporting.'
1239514;1439694867;asciilifeform;( https://cryptome.org/2015/08/nsa-sso-fair-storm-blar-nyt-propub-15-0814.pdf )
1239515;1439694879;asciilifeform;^ no ocr available atm
1239516;1439694935;asciilifeform;^ lengthy turd concerning 'corporate partners' (telecom stoolies et al)
1239517;1439694974;phf;i saw hook suspension as part of religious ceremony in souther india, they put a lot more showmanship into the whole process then u.s. bdsm crowd. between music, dancing and the general revelry, it's very impressive
1239518;1439695107;*;mircea_popescu is sad that the imbecile "sane stupid and consensual" crowd has managed to make bdsm appear a sort of roadshow discipline, with all the other circus acts.
1239519;1439695134;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/Iio16dQ.png
1239520;1439695135;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1heV7jM )
1239521;1439695171;mats;this filipino shit is unreadable
1239522;1439695181;mats;and this writer is supposedly from canada
1239523;1439695182;mircea_popescu;check it out the midwest doesn't existest.
1239524;1439695189;punkman;hook suspension is more related to the bmezine crowd than bdsm
1239525;1439695210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this particular item mainly infests cable drop sites and nearby
1239526;1439695213;asciilifeform;(oceanic fiber)
1239527;1439695214;mircea_popescu;punkman still, what came to his mind. and i know why the fuck it came to his mind, too.
1239528;1439695242;asciilifeform;why?
1239529;1439695263;mircea_popescu;because i've personally seen the sorts of fucktards who derp about how they're doing bdsm
1239530;1439695265;phf;there's little difference between bmezine crowd and bdsm in u.s., see also mp's comment
1239531;1439695267;mircea_popescu;exactly like "hackers"
1239532;1439695327;phf;i've seen people do hook suspension at the same events they would fly volunteers, there's very little dynamic there besides "ropes! pain!"
1239533;1439695358;mircea_popescu;buncha turdheads dont even KNOW each other
1239534;1439695359;scoopbot_revived;Dutch Police Hunt For "Bitcoin Bomber" http://qntra.net/2015/08/dutch-police-hunt-for-bitcoin-bomber/
1239535;1439695377;mircea_popescu;then they spend weeks penning diatribes on fetlife/wherever derping about who "violated" whose trust
1239536;1439695377;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/sPMkDgY.png
1239537;1439695378;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1heVN8Z )
1239538;1439695396;mircea_popescu;"hey, i just agreed to be tied up naked by some guy i don't know, this doesn't mean he can also finger me!!111"
1239539;1439695407;mircea_popescu;sort of byzantine quibbling
1239540;1439695479;mircea_popescu;re the entire blarney thing : if my reports mostly consisted of who said what to whom behind whose back i'd just turn the whole shit off and go watch soaps. no fucking idea how it is that obama's not worried by mostly being fed blarney.
1239541;1439695551;mircea_popescu;but hey, a country of slutmint, right. whatchagonnerdo.
1239542;1439695568;asciilifeform;idk about mircea_popescu but i'm reading it, as the other snowdeniana, as hangout
1239543;1439695577;asciilifeform;heavily censored, and selective to begin with
1239544;1439695578;mircea_popescu;i'm not reading it.
1239545;1439695582;asciilifeform;peppered with 'legalisms'
1239546;1439695662;mircea_popescu;mats you don't dispute there's entire communities centered around living off derpy middle aged usian males do you ?
1239547;1439695736;mats;mircea_popescu no dispute lol
1239548;1439696353;asciilifeform;aaaaaand they're both done: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC
1239549;1439696370;asciilifeform;(but not mega-surprise)
1239550;1439696615;asciilifeform;'Dutch police claimed the perpetrator created a letter in Notepad which was then mailed to the Jumbo supermarket chain demanding that unless an unknown quantity of bitcoin was paid to him, the attacks would continue.' << wat
1239551;1439696714;asciilifeform;and did i just count no less than ~3~ msword .doc turds in that thing.
1239552;1439696731;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fbf322a08d68c2bc50a5a7429c88dba8/tumblr_nny2p7Td6e1s2ykobo1_500.jpg
1239553;1439696731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1heYHuu )
1239554;1439696769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00070275 = 48.2789 BTC [-] {2} 
1239555;1439696960;*;asciilifeform got 4th node, 'bucephalus', physically ready. but it still gotta be transported.
1239556;1439697141;hanbot;bucephalus! can we send it oats?
1239557;1439697166;asciilifeform;soon.
1239558;1439697171;asciilifeform;incitatus also likes oats
1239559;1439697235;pete_dushenski;top o' the evening !
1239560;1439697241;phf;i know what bdsm scene needs. more 20 year old girls who are doms.
1239561;1439697243;*;phf ducks
1239562;1439697265;pete_dushenski;like you need two penises
1239563;1439697307;mats;I've read good things about having two penises
1239564;1439697338;mats;thanks, reddit
1239565;1439697371;phf;one in each hand
1239566;1439697416;pete_dushenski;mats you've also read about the merits of usgavin's noble for the community on reddit.
1239567;1439697440;pete_dushenski;reddit has all the merit of the national enquirer and about as much believability
1239568;1439697446;cazalla;asciilifeform, yeah there are few docs with a time line of events etc, nothing that isn't in the text of the article anyway
1239569;1439697458;pete_dushenski;"bat boy in favour of block size increase !"
1239570;1439697469;asciilifeform;cazalla: wai wat
1239571;1439697472;mats;https://reddit.com/r/tabled/comments/1u7f50/table_iama_i_am_the_guy_with_two_penises_ama
1239572;1439697473;assbot;[Table] IAmA: I am the guy with two penises. AMA. : tabled ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf0gsc )
1239573;1439697484;mats;if you haven't already seen, ^
1239574;1439697493;pete_dushenski;had not.
1239575;1439697519;pete_dushenski;can't say i'm gonna click but hey, logs readers appreciate this kinda closing of the loop
1239576;1439697529;cazalla;asciilifeform, i was responding to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239551, unless you were referring to something else with *.doc in it
1239577;1439697529;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 03:45:14; asciilifeform: and did i just count no less than ~3~ msword .doc turds in that thing.
1239578;1439697541;phf;pete_dushenski: fyi batty boy is gay man in creole
1239579;1439697545;asciilifeform;ah
1239580;1439697589;pete_dushenski;phf i can see it : batty = crazy = unorthodox
1239581;1439697645;phf;pete_dushenski: i always thought that's from "butt", but i like your theory too
1239582;1439697671;pete_dushenski;pretty much how you get alan turing
1239583;1439697723;pete_dushenski;http://en.mercopress.com/2015/08/13/argentine-minister-s-daughter-26-board-member-of-main-development-bank << how you get this is altogether another matter
1239584;1439697724;assbot;Argentine minister's daughter, 26, board member of main development bank — MercoPress ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf0PCp )
1239585;1439697750;phf;i had a Jamaican friend who would scare white people on campus by trash talking them in patois
1239586;1439697769;pete_dushenski;^putting a 26-yo whose never tied her own shoelaces in charge of a bank is batty for a reason
1239587;1439697819;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i bet if it were an elected post, she'd win
1239588;1439697821;pete_dushenski;phf: patois is interesting for its composition and
1239589;1439697841;asciilifeform;because if nothing matters anyway, why not have photo of hot chick on the tube, instead of old man
1239590;1439697862;pete_dushenski;phf ...and i have to say i found it sorta fascinating when i was in jamaica in february
1239591;1439697871;asciilifeform;rather surprised this hasn't reached gringolandia quite yet
1239592;1439697881;asciilifeform;here they seem to plan to elect an old hag
1239593;1439697894;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: at the federal level, yes.
1239594;1439697910;asciilifeform;but i'd vote for delfina whatthefuck, aha
1239595;1439697914;asciilifeform;if she were here.
1239596;1439697924;pete_dushenski;at the more local/state level, this phenomenon has spread here, particularly in the last provincial election
1239597;1439697945;pete_dushenski;as covered in http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/06/a-not-so-new-era-begins-in-alberta-politics/
1239598;1439697947;assbot;A not-so-new era begins in Alberta politics. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf1qDY )
1239599;1439697962;pete_dushenski;elected school teachers with two years of experience, etc.
1239600;1439697968;pete_dushenski;it's going about as well as you'd expect
1239601;1439697989;pete_dushenski;folks already swinging back to the left for the upcoming federal election in ~9 weeks from now
1239602;1439697997;pete_dushenski;*back to the right
1239603;1439697997;mircea_popescu;phf couldn't hurt, actually.
1239604;1439698129;mircea_popescu;the "more 20something dom chicks" that is.
1239605;1439698131;phf;i should've put quotes around dom, but without being facetious, i agree, that would've been nice
1239606;1439698140;mircea_popescu;anything that isn't the current crop would be great, really.
1239607;1439698243;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: careful with that 'anything other than this' approach. it's arguably what put us in this entire mess to begin with.
1239608;1439698250;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1239609;1439698252;pete_dushenski;'anything other than racist computers'
1239610;1439698253;mircea_popescu;i was using it ironically.
1239611;1439698260;pete_dushenski;aha
1239612;1439698272;mircea_popescu;for much metairony points
1239613;1439698286;mircea_popescu;arguably - meta got us in this entire mess.
1239614;1439698360;pete_dushenski;meta was necessary to maintain the linear ascent of the usians from the previous 3 generations into this last one
1239615;1439698389;asciilifeform;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/tech-firm-ubiquiti-suffers-46m-cyberheist << awwww poor buggerz
1239616;1439698402;asciilifeform;!s ubiquiti
1239617;1439698402;assbot;21 results for 'ubiquiti' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ubiquiti
1239618;1439698406;pete_dushenski;after china chewed the production meat off of the us' flesh, that is
1239619;1439698431;mircea_popescu;what already ?
1239620;1439698490;pete_dushenski;"Basically, employees have to drill into their head that email is not secure. Period! If you recieve email from your boss that you need to wire somebody $$, just tell him/her to at least phone you to verify who they are."
1239621;1439698493;asciilifeform;http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/10/technology/ubiquiti-hacked
1239622;1439698494;assbot;Hackers siphon $47 million out of tech company's accounts - Aug. 10, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf2DeL )
1239623;1439698495;mircea_popescu;holy shit
1239624;1439698502;pete_dushenski;^from the comments of 1st piece
1239625;1439698506;asciilifeform;'A hacker posed as one of its employees online and stole $46.7 million from the company's accounts.'
1239626;1439698509;asciilifeform;gold.
1239627;1439698538;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2VHN7BA << anyone seen this sortta shit before ?
1239628;1439698539;assbot;dpaste: 2VHN7BA ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf2Kqp )
1239629;1439698562;mircea_popescu;is it some new security model ? comma separated security  or something ?
1239630;1439698582;pete_dushenski;funny, same thing happened to me
1239631;1439698595;pete_dushenski;i just beleeted the first part and all was well
1239632;1439698599;asciilifeform;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/05/security-firm-redefines-apt-african-phishing-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-381684
1239633;1439698600;assbot;Security Firm Redefines APT: African Phishing Threat —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf2UhJ )
1239634;1439698657;asciilifeform;ask him, not me.
1239635;1439698664;pete_dushenski;'the latest from Comma Security Industries'
1239636;1439698677;phf;misconfigured nginx
1239637;1439698700;asciilifeform;herr krebs is a huminter not a siginter
1239638;1439698702;asciilifeform;can forgive.
1239639;1439698749;asciilifeform;'What you can infer here (since Ubiquiti won�t comment) is that the scammers spoofed an employee communication from a fake email account, instructing an employee to wire funds to a �vendor.� In its laziest form, it�s an attack that anyone could mount with an Internet connection and about 5 minutes � the B2B version of the old �Nigerian prince� email fraud, except the prince purports to be your boss.'
1239640;1439698797;mircea_popescu;unless the boss himself did it, and is claiming hack.
1239641;1439698809;asciilifeform;no shit.
1239642;1439698812;mircea_popescu;etc.
1239643;1439698829;mircea_popescu;it's a fundamental flaw of the entire non-ba corporate model, and it's unfixable.
1239644;1439698831;*;asciilifeform did not really consider any other variant seriously
1239645;1439698832;mircea_popescu;like all the oithers.
1239646;1439698854;pete_dushenski;phf if you're interested in my take on the patois-speakers on their home turf, you might be interested in http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/15/emancipation-shemancipation-independence-shmindependence/ or http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/14/the-world-is-fundamentally-hostile/
1239647;1439698855;assbot;Emancipation shemancipation, independence shmindependence. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf3nAq )
1239648;1439698856;assbot;The world is fundamentally hostile. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf3lIQ )
1239649;1439698882;asciilifeform;my personal favourite hypothesis is that the 47 megatonnes is an nsa-levied fine
1239650;1439698904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00071422 = 10.3919 BTC [+]
1239651;1439698908;asciilifeform;for lackluster concealment of the diddle discussed in february
1239652;1439698934;asciilifeform;(why not the nsa levying secret fines !!1111!!11 i oughta patent!)
1239653;1439698939;pete_dushenski;dat mpoe. seriously.
1239654;1439698960;phf;pete_dushenski: i've read it, didn't answer most important question, how was the beach?
1239655;1439698979;pete_dushenski;phf fuck, beats me.
1239656;1439698986;pete_dushenski;i'm not really the beach type
1239657;1439699085;phf;ah, my impression is that there's fuck else to do in places like that.
1239658;1439699214;pete_dushenski;i won't pretend like there's a nightlife worth the bother, but i went biking, played tennis, drank several bottles of ginger wine daily
1239659;1439699216;phf;i went to costa rica recently, bad food, bad services, one city for the whole country which essentially consists of 5 street blocks of what i would recognize as a city. but the beach was nice, can rent a boat and go diving, etc.
1239660;1439699239;pete_dushenski;san jose is a dump
1239661;1439699277;pete_dushenski;the pacific coast of costa rica is gorgeous, however. monkeys swinging from trees, perfect sand, a wide variety of ex pats
1239662;1439699331;pete_dushenski;the caribbean coast is beautiful in a different way, being more tropical, lush, and mysterious
1239663;1439699360;phf;we went to the nicest restaurant i could find after a week of casados, waiter was reading silverware placement of a cheat sheet, and the chicken was undercooked. it was almost comic
1239664;1439699369;pete_dushenski;and speaking of travels, i'm currently crafting an article on my recent trip to the dollar store here
1239665;1439699370;phf;in san jose
1239666;1439699418;pete_dushenski;lol a silverware cheat sheet. that's pretty embarrassing
1239667;1439699459;pete_dushenski;not enough colonialism i guess
1239668;1439699598;pete_dushenski;My investment is more than a million dollars for the factory here. But during these two years I’ve lost a lot. It’s all the problem of labor—the mentality of the workers. Our factory needs to run twenty-four hours a day; it’s not just for one shift. In order to do this in Egypt, we have to hire male workers, and the men are really lazy.”
1239669;1439699606;pete_dushenski;http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/10/learning-to-speak-lingerie
1239670;1439699607;assbot;The Chinese Lingerie Venders of Egypt - The New Yorker ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf4wIm )
1239671;1439699625;pete_dushenski;egyptians can't be bothered to lift a finger, it seems
1239672;1439699941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63463 @ 0.00072219 = 45.8323 BTC [+] {5} 
1239673;1439699946;pete_dushenski;and greece just snagged a 86 bn euro loan with a 32.5 yr maturity at 1% interest
1239674;1439700090;mircea_popescu;phf where ? san jose ?
1239675;1439700090;scoopbot_revived;Build Notes: "Manual" Stator, Ubuntu 10.04 i686 http://thewhet.net/2015/build-notes-manual-stator-ubuntu-10-04-i686/
1239676;1439700106;mircea_popescu;nuts, i liked san jose a decade ago.
1239677;1439700157;mircea_popescu;dude no way. wtf where've you been
1239678;1439700206;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski see, totally worth it to ignore the oxi. where else are tyhey gonna find 80bn for 30 years for free.
1239679;1439700481;phf;san jose reminded me of moscow in the 90s, grown men in track suits selling apples out of cardboard boxes, old women selling roasted something or other, all in the middle of a busy street
1239680;1439700522;mircea_popescu;i guess i gotta dig up my pictures from there or something.
1239681;1439700538;mircea_popescu;anyway. you found the nice indian restaurant with the peacocks roaming in the garden ?
1239682;1439700570;mats;sounds like the Mexican side of the Tijuana border, phf
1239683;1439700584;mircea_popescu;it's not really that far off.
1239684;1439700650;*;mircea_popescu couldn't stand the coasts, way too hot and humid. the city itself is a very pleasant weather.
1239685;1439700652;phf;yeah, mexico city was similar in places
1239686;1439700660;mats;on that note, was just in ensenada a few weeks ago, great time to be there -- mostly just locals this time of year
1239687;1439700717;mircea_popescu;or did you find the casino & brothel quarter ?
1239688;1439700721;phf;mircea_popescu: i did not, i should've asked for recommendations ahead of time, come to think of it, i don't know spanish
1239689;1439700725;mircea_popescu;dun tell me you hung out with the expats in retard quarter.
1239690;1439700733;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu phf the three of us should have a costa rica photo comparison event
1239691;1439700747;mircea_popescu;i doubt you can beat my teat lunch.
1239692;1439700768;mats;but hard to shake the eyeballs as a couple of asians strolling around town
1239693;1439700815;phf;mircea_popescu: retard quarter i assume is around the hospital area?
1239694;1439700817;mircea_popescu;btw, were the "los ninos merecen tang" ads still around ?
1239695;1439700855;mircea_popescu;phf you can't miss it, there's a bunch of mcd kfc etc. only place in town they even exist.
1239696;1439700882;mircea_popescu;incidentally, site:trilema.com costa rica turns out a bunch of stuff
1239697;1439700926;mircea_popescu;phf does the san jose horseshoe still stand btw ?
1239698;1439700944;mircea_popescu;lulz of all time, it was the size of the parking lot shed of the original one.
1239699;1439701005;phf;don't remember the ads, but i don't think so
1239700;1439701010;phf;what's san jose horseshoe?
1239701;1439701030;phf;how long ~did~ you stay in san jose?
1239702;1439701032;mircea_popescu;a soi dissant casino
1239703;1439701035;mircea_popescu;like 3 years.
1239704;1439701039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59550 @ 0.00072229 = 43.0124 BTC [+] {6} 
1239705;1439701065;mircea_popescu;originally was gonna stay for a coupla weeks, but we liked it that much.
1239706;1439701151;phf;we must've stayed in two different san joses, but i stayed for two days, after a week on the coast, so my expectations were already skewed
1239707;1439701189;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you didn't go to san jose alone ?
1239708;1439701216;mircea_popescu;now i don't know for sure what you do etc, but the restaurants of the city've been unfairly impeached. they've nothing starred, is true, but there plenty good ones.
1239709;1439701237;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i've not gone anywhere alone, including the bathroom, since i was about 15 or so.
1239710;1439701325;pete_dushenski;don't tell me you're so rich you have a 'wiper'
1239711;1439701335;*;pete_dushenski can only dream
1239712;1439701345;mircea_popescu;no, i'm such an asshole i have to have my food tasted.
1239713;1439701403;*;pete_dushenski can also only dream of this
1239714;1439701410;gernika;following up on the reddit/hearnia thread: Holy shit I can't believe hearnia wrote this: "...Bitcoin social contract.."  It's just ... unbelievable.
1239715;1439701439;hanbot;scoopbot_revived> Build Notes: "Manual" Stator, Ubuntu 10.04 i686 http://thewhet.net/2015/build-notes-manual-stator-ubuntu-10-04-i686/ << btw will put this together for ml with corrected links an' all once patches are resigned as planned
1239716;1439701441;assbot;Build Notes: “Manual” Stator, Ubuntu 10.04 i686 | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1THCNvm )
1239717;1439701441;mircea_popescu;phf you ever found the weirdo one that was "painting themed" so they'd bring you the food on like, that silly wooden thing painters hold to mix paints etc ?
1239718;1439701456;mircea_popescu;gernika which is why he'd be doing it.
1239719;1439701463;pete_dushenski;gernika: what else would rousseau say ?
1239720;1439701521;gernika;I'm just trying to imagine life from the perspective of someone who could read that and buy it.  A Trilema article mast seem like a solid, impenetrable brick wall.
1239721;1439701635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239715 << congrats hanbot !
1239722;1439701635;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 05:03:59; hanbot: scoopbot_revived> Build Notes: "Manual" Stator, Ubuntu 10.04 i686 http://thewhet.net/2015/build-notes-manual-stator-ubuntu-10-04-i686/ << btw will put this together for ml with corrected links an' all once patches are resigned as planned
1239723;1439701645;pete_dushenski;hanbot: nice, clean work on the ubuntu build
1239724;1439701648;mircea_popescu;well, gernika, it's for tablets.
1239725;1439701683;gernika;mircea_popescu: medium?
1239726;1439701754;phf;mircea_popescu: ok, i yield. in the small shore towns all they have is casados, which is not something i expected after shore towns in other countries with rich sea food cuisine. so my first experience in the big city is a cheat sheet silverware and undercooked chicken for the girl. at that point i, and i agree, unfairly, assumed that they just don't like food.
1239727;1439701795;mircea_popescu;ahhh
1239728;1439701807;mircea_popescu;i can see it. but you know, sj is like what, 2-3 mn ?
1239729;1439701823;phf;all eating casados, i'm sure
1239730;1439701829;mircea_popescu;lol
1239731;1439701841;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure what that is, honestly.
1239732;1439701849;mircea_popescu;"homecooking" or something ?
1239733;1439701894;phf;yeah, beans, rice, chicken, plantains on a plate. they are pretty much an item on every small roadside place menu
1239734;1439701932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: earlier thread with bizarre made-up terminology: consider 'drapetomania'
1239735;1439702042;mats;I read some of dreppers 'what every programmer should know about memory' recently
1239736;1439702046;mircea_popescu;they had very decent steaks i tell you
1239737;1439702049;mats;pretty good
1239738;1439702055;mircea_popescu;best mexican restaurant i ever found was in cr
1239739;1439702057;asciilifeform;mats: it was, interestingly
1239740;1439702084;asciilifeform;mats: drepper is not a talentless man. if he were, he'd be harmless.
1239741;1439702118;asciilifeform;mats: i have that article printed and bound, on a shelf (or... had. iirc it grew legs, wandered away)
1239742;1439702244;phf;i can believe about a steak, and i think it would've been a safe bet to go to a steakhouse, but after a week of diving and swimming i'm not usually in the mood for heavier foods
1239743;1439702281;mircea_popescu;yes, well, you dont want meat and don't like veggies. it's getting hard to feed you :D
1239744;1439702307;mircea_popescu;i think they had a milk bar, funnily enough.
1239745;1439702312;mircea_popescu;never ended up going
1239746;1439702313;phf;hah
1239747;1439702597;punkman;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000147.html some random stuff I noticed
1239748;1439702598;assbot;[BTC-dev] some notes after reading the source ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaRoy7 )
1239749;1439702747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00073002 = 29.2738 BTC [+] {6} 
1239750;1439702778;mats;asciilifeform: my 'aha' moment was when he explains how locality in memory should be used to optimize cache access
1239751;1439702812;asciilifeform;mats: it's pretty humdrum, nothing we didn't do in school
1239752;1439702816;asciilifeform;but useful to give to n00bs
1239753;1439702821;asciilifeform;which is where i think my copy went.
1239754;1439702833;pete_dushenski;hanbot: your stator build didn't get wedged even though you didn't add the asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch ?
1239755;1439702847;asciilifeform;punkman: nice work, and overlaps heavily with my own notes. but gotta understand why i did not make these cuts as of yet.
1239756;1439702881;punkman;well hopefully you won't have to do all those and can focus on more important things
1239757;1439702894;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the wedge point would take about a week to reach, at typical pace, if starting from nil
1239758;1439702929;gernika;asciilifeform: took my openbsd box 4 weeks
1239759;1439702932;asciilifeform;punkman: recall mircea_popescu's comment about 'father's pistols'
1239760;1439702941;asciilifeform;it is one thing to snip provably unreachable code
1239761;1439702971;asciilifeform;a very other thing to cut messages
1239762;1439702979;asciilifeform;not that we actually need 'checkorder' for anything
1239763;1439702980;phf;mircea_popescu: i was expecting fresh seafood, it being a coastal country, easily available. oaxaca and guerrero for example had fish markets all over the shore.
1239764;1439703027;asciilifeform;nor do i have much desire to replace anything whatsoever with boostisms
1239765;1439703034;asciilifeform;(re: json comment)
1239766;1439703098;asciilifeform;try to remember the basic reason why we're using 0.5.3 as foundation rather than starting from empty.
1239767;1439703113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00073003 = 29.7852 BTC [+] {2} 
1239768;1439703129;asciilifeform;it is a steaming pile of shit, but has one saving grace: it existed prior to the war.
1239769;1439703154;asciilifeform;prior to bitcoin being dear.
1239770;1439703160;phf;i remember a bar in old san juan, and their bar food selection consisted of a spicy soup and oysters. i'm pretty sure those were best oysters i've had
1239771;1439703188;asciilifeform;punkman: this does not mean that it can't be cut. i've been cutting it. but it has to be cut like a living thing.
1239772;1439703205;asciilifeform;with care.
1239773;1439703238;*;asciilifeform bbl
1239774;1439703662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168907 @ 0.00073298 = 123.8055 BTC [+] {8} 
1239775;1439703745;ben_vulpes;so defadvice is rms's wacky clos?
1239776;1439703750;thestringpuller;So we get censored in reddit and get called crazy.
1239777;1439703763;thestringpuller;Hearn's article gets censored and all the tards lose their shit.
1239778;1439703763;ben_vulpes;ahyu, link, thestringpuller?
1239779;1439703824;thestringpuller;http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/ << our censorship
1239780;1439703869;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h5kr6/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu4fhny << they posted hearns article and it got "removed" in a similar fashion (blatant removal rather than manipulation)
1239781;1439703906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8170 @ 0.00072149 = 5.8946 BTC [-] {2} 
1239782;1439703956;thestringpuller;top 25 posts now are all about block size limit...
1239783;1439703967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13130 @ 0.00071546 = 9.394 BTC [-]
1239784;1439704061;phf;ben_vulpes: no, this https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/eieio/ is emacs's whacky clos. i think advice is a separate lineage, by way of interlisp. there's defadvice in lispworks for example
1239785;1439704062;assbot;Enhanced Implementation of Emacs Interpreted Objects: Top ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaSwSl )
1239786;1439704067;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239712 <<< ah, so you do have a kagero!
1239787;1439704067;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 05:02:25; mircea_popescu: no, i'm such an asshole i have to have my food tasted.
1239788;1439704089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42230 @ 0.00073671 = 31.1113 BTC [+]
1239789;1439704235;ben_vulpes;phf: how'd they land on 'EIEIO'?
1239790;1439704285;punkman;yeah, why not aiaiaiaaiaia?
1239791;1439704292;phf;ben_vulpes: i think the madness comes with trying to do clos in elisp :>
1239792;1439704359;ben_vulpes;i try to only use it as a scripting language for my 'editor'
1239793;1439704377;ben_vulpes;but brainfuck exists so why not clos in elisp
1239794;1439704421;ben_vulpes;reddit ssl is confuckered to use sha-1
1239795;1439704425;ben_vulpes;well done, chaps
1239796;1439705248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23008 @ 0.00074101 = 17.0492 BTC [+] {2} 
1239797;1439705431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00074096 = 29.8607 BTC [-] {2} 
1239798;1439706102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.00072624 = 46.9151 BTC [-] {2} 
1239799;1439706468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24751 @ 0.00075045 = 18.5744 BTC [+] {2} 
1239800;1439707810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00075046 = 23.1892 BTC [+]
1239801;1439708222;pete_dushenski;http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150815&t=2&i=1072179765&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2015-08-15T224512Z_40_GF20000021278_RTRMADP_0_USA-ELECTION-CLINTON << caption this election campaign shot #1
1239802;1439708223;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFBBwW )
1239803;1439708243;pete_dushenski;http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150815&t=2&i=1072179779&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2015-08-15T224512Z_40_GF20000021263_RTRMADP_0_USA-ELECTION-TRUMP << caption this election campaign shot #2
1239804;1439708244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFBC3S )
1239805;1439708516;pete_dushenski;#1 : "that's a great question little girl. what face would've kept my husband from messing around with that fatty lewinsky ? this one !"
1239806;1439708688;pete_dushenski;#2 : "yummm... bbq socialists..."
1239807;1439708715;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/16/dollarama-and-the-case-of-the-dollar-store-curio/
1239808;1439708716;assbot;Dollarama and the case of the dollar store curio. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFBYYi )
1239809;1439708735;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne any idea why scoopbot_revived hasn't seen my last few posts ?
1239810;1439708736;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1239811;1439708768;pete_dushenski;seems to be in channel. maybe not voiced ?
1239812;1439708773;pete_dushenski;!up scoopbot_revived
1239813;1439708813;ben_vulpes;NUT SPLAT
1239814;1439709182;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238526 << it's high time that a duckduckgo search engine feature makes its way in channel.
1239815;1439709182;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 06:00:05; mircea_popescu: <cazalla> 8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/ << there's an iron curtain now falling on teh internets, <me inserts rest of clinton speech>. it's us and them.
1239816;1439709201;pete_dushenski;not sure if nano is up to amending gribble to ;;ddg or the like
1239817;1439709231;pete_dushenski;and i somehow doubt that kako would be much fonder of adding !ddg to assbot
1239818;1439709252;pete_dushenski;which leaves the door open for some enterprising young thing looking to make his mark on the wot
1239819;1439709277;pete_dushenski;follow williamdunne's lead here, kiddos. watch, learn, and contribute.
1239820;1439710151;pete_dushenski;!up therealnanotube
1239821;1439710448;cazalla;pete_dushenski, if memory serves, ddg is just as bad
1239822;1439710479;punkman;ddg just pulls from bing/yahoo, yandex
1239823;1439710487;pete_dushenski;cazalla: my anecdotal experience indicates otherwise
1239824;1439710494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00075179 = 28.3425 BTC [+] {3} 
1239825;1439710501;punkman;http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/as-you-sow-files-notice-of-legal-action-against-soylent-super-food-300128427.html
1239826;1439710502;assbot;As You Sow Files Notice Of Legal Action Against Soylent Super Food -- OAKLAND, Calif., Aug. 13, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWOH2I )
1239827;1439710511;pete_dushenski;i've searched for terms on google and received 0 fucking hits, and ddg brings back >10
1239828;1439710515;cazalla;pete_dushenski, i'm sure i've read before they log and sell their data
1239829;1439710540;pete_dushenski;how else would they make money ?
1239830;1439710563;pete_dushenski;short of rich dude's 'service to the world'
1239831;1439710660;cazalla;i wouldn't know how else, don't really care either, i just don't think it is THE alternative to google.. maybe ixquick or something else
1239832;1439710710;cazalla;but i continue to use google so bit of a hypocrit in doing so
1239833;1439710740;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239569 << heh
1239834;1439710740;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 03:57:38; pete_dushenski: "bat boy in favour of block size increase !"
1239835;1439710750;pete_dushenski;!ixq would be alright
1239836;1439710753;ben_vulpes;what's going on, pete_dushenski?
1239837;1439710797;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: just finishing this bit of icelandic schnapps before bed, eyelids getting heavy. you ?
1239838;1439710818;ben_vulpes;drinking myself into bed during a death march weekend
1239839;1439710819;ben_vulpes;reading logs
1239840;1439710860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92505 @ 0.00072604 = 67.1623 BTC [-] {3} 
1239841;1439710862;ben_vulpes;icelandic schnapps?
1239842;1439710910;pete_dushenski;'birkir'
1239843;1439710914;pete_dushenski;from icelandic birch
1239844;1439710932;pete_dushenski;and with that, enjoy the logs, and be sure to leave some benisms for me to read in the morning.
1239845;1439710946;pete_dushenski;gnite
1239846;1439711010;ben_vulpes;adieu
1239847;1439711021;ben_vulpes;http://thewhet.net/2015/build-notes-manual-stator-ubuntu-10-04-i686/ << wd, hanbot
1239848;1439711023;assbot;Build Notes: “Manual” Stator, Ubuntu 10.04 i686 | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1THCNvm )
1239849;1439711040;ben_vulpes;did this clear up your abortive attempt?
1239850;1439711226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00075404 = 19.0772 BTC [+] {3} 
1239851;1439711409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5194 @ 0.00071547 = 3.7162 BTC [-]
1239852;1439711470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50356 @ 0.00071546 = 36.0277 BTC [-] {2} 
1239853;1439712019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.0007591 = 25.4299 BTC [+] {3} 
1239854;1439712080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00071433 = 58.2536 BTC [-] {8} 
1239855;1439714947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00072764 = 26.195 BTC [+]
1239856;1439715192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0007029 = 11.387 BTC [-]
1239857;1439716350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00072764 = 3.8565 BTC [+]
1239858;1439717105;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0A11YS3.txt
1239859;1439717106;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hfEZ1x )
1239860;1439717107;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1239861;1439717140;scoopbot_revived;X.EUR August 16th statement http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-august-16th-statement/
1239862;1439718607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00075548 = 11.9366 BTC [+]
1239863;1439718729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30436 @ 0.00070349 = 21.4114 BTC [-] {2} 
1239864;1439719217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64252 @ 0.00070261 = 45.1441 BTC [-] {4} 
1239865;1439720620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00070115 = 34.777 BTC [-] {2} 
1239866;1439721413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00071753 = 47.1417 BTC [+] {3} 
1239867;1439721474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21812 @ 0.00072141 = 15.7354 BTC [+]
1239868;1439722450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52298 @ 0.00076329 = 39.9185 BTC [+] {5} 
1239869;1439724768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00070705 = 32.2415 BTC [-] {3} 
1239870;1439727140;shinohai;http://redd.it/3h5pb2
1239871;1439727170;shinohai;^ "I declare a 25 BTC bounty to the first pool that will mine a block with Bitcoin ХT."
1239872;1439728672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37671 @ 0.00075405 = 28.4058 BTC [+]
1239873;1439728988;davout;shinohai: "i'll do it if the bounty is paid in regular bitcoin"
1239874;1439729004;shinohai;kek
1239875;1439729042;shinohai;The tards have taken the front page of r/bitcoin with XT and censorship nonsense today.
1239876;1439729343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00076353 = 42.6813 BTC [+] {2} 
1239877;1439729953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91700 @ 0.00076634 = 70.2734 BTC [+] {5} 
1239878;1439730014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00077426 = 12.9301 BTC [+] {3} 
1239879;1439730347;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/15/tianjin-blasts-police-order-mass-evacuations-amid-further-explosions
1239880;1439730348;assbot;Tianjin explosions: police order mass evacuation amid contamination fears | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVv1sL )
1239881;1439730706;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/qc7FPxa.jpg that's a nice crater
1239882;1439730707;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf9ott )
1239883;1439731295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00074563 = 40.4131 BTC [-] {6} 
1239884;1439731391;shinohai;;;later tell trinque got the script to tun, fails to compile BxImage: https://transfer.sh/rkCI7/genkernel.log
1239885;1439731392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfa8Pg )
1239886;1439731392;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1239887;1439733308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.00073228 = 65.5391 BTC [-] {3} 
1239888;1439735931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @ 0.00077438 = 15.5751 BTC [+] {3} 
1239889;1439736053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00072118 = 29.8569 BTC [-]
1239890;1439736675;BingoBoingo;!up King_Rex
1239891;1439737060;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h6tmm/question_for_forkers << lulz
1239892;1439737061;assbot;Question for forkers : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwacO6 )
1239893;1439737421;BingoBoingo;ass https://i.imgur.com/T3qkBvQh.jpg
1239894;1439737422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITP90w )
1239895;1439737517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00076968 = 15.7015 BTC [+]
1239896;1439737794;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: "Forkers"? Seriously?
1239897;1439737795;thestringpuller;The "arguments" and rhetoric from the people opposing the easing of the 1 MB cap are so getting so desperate that it almost feels like the last gasp of some pathetic campaign. You have lost this battle. Give it up already.
1239898;1439737828;thestringpuller;^^^ So entertaining
1239899;1439737843;jurov;"mission accomplished"
1239900;1439737843;scoopbot_revived;Hearn Releases Code to Potentially Fork XTC from Bitcoin http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/
1239901;1439737886;asciilifeform;l0l i somehow missed the exponentially-growing size thing
1239902;1439737891;*;asciilifeform falls down
1239903;1439737921;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: The maximum size shall be 8,000,000 bytes at a timestamp of 2016-01-11 00:00:00 UTC (timestamp 1452470400), and shall double every 63,072,000 seconds (two years, ignoring leap years), until 2036-01-06 00:00:00 UTC (timestamp 2083190400). The maximum size of blocks in between doublings will increase linearly based on the block's timestamp. The maximum size of blocks after 2036-01-06 00:00:00 UTC shall be 8,192,000
1239904;1439737932;asciilifeform;glorious.
1239905;1439737942;asciilifeform;why not 8GB ~right now~
1239906;1439737943;asciilifeform;8TB
1239907;1439737945;asciilifeform;8PB.
1239908;1439737949;thestringpuller;@_@
1239909;1439737956;asciilifeform;let ever maggot send tx
1239910;1439737992;punkman;not enough maggots to fill an 8mb block anyway
1239911;1439738006;asciilifeform;usg knows how to breed'em
1239912;1439738010;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: zoolag back up?
1239913;1439738033;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239484
1239914;1439738033;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 02:29:02; asciilifeform: zoolag is back.
1239915;1439738081;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> why not 8GB ~right now~ << For the slow boil. Have to hook them long enough reversion from the mistake seems impossibru
1239916;1439738091;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fix your post, 'though given Satoshi's infrequent use of cryptographic signatures and loss the email account'  --> 'loss of'
1239917;1439738126;BingoBoingo;damn, fxd
1239918;1439738143;thestringpuller;oh i was about to put that typo up
1239919;1439738188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00071678 = 41.394 BTC [-] {3} 
1239920;1439738430;thestringpuller;;;calc 365 / (6262 + 365)
1239921;1439738430;gribble;0.0550777123887
1239922;1439738439;thestringpuller;^- majority my ass
1239923;1439738447;thestringpuller;;;calc 365 / (6262)
1239924;1439738447;gribble;0.0582880868732
1239925;1439738468;thestringpuller;6% of all nodes are XT.
1239926;1439738496;punkman;thestringpuller: even that is doubtful
1239927;1439738819;BingoBoingo;It really depends on how you count total nodes
1239928;1439739325;fluffypony;asciilifeform: the stupidest thing is that the max message size is 32mb anyway
1239929;1439739352;punkman;fluffypony: you want em bigger?
1239930;1439739359;fluffypony;so nfi if they think they're magically going to redo huge chunks of networking code somewhere inbetween things
1239931;1439739393;punkman;oic, never mind
1239932;1439739433;asciilifeform;fluffypony: it's more of a 'do you expect me to talk? no mr bond, i expect you to Die!!'
1239933;1439739463;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/
1239934;1439739464;assbot;Hearn Releases Code to Potentially Fork XTC from Bitcoin | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKeOB4 )
1239935;1439739466;fluffypony;punkman: I don't have a problem with a very conservative dynamic increase over time, bearing in mind that my baseline is "can I run a node on an entry-level South African DSL line"
1239936;1439739468;asciilifeform;this is like asking 'how is that fella supposed to breathe under water' as they tie the stone around his neck
1239937;1439739505;asciilifeform;the breathing thing is not part of the plan.
1239938;1439739524;fluffypony;punkman: and my larger gripe is not "should we increase the blocksize or not", but rather the way Hearn-ia and Chief-Scientist-Gavin have sold this solution via Reddit and blog posts
1239939;1439739714;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2015#1239920 << the '6K nodes' thing is a laugh. how many actually verify blocks from genesis up?
1239940;1439739714;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2015 15:20:30; thestringpuller: ;;calc 365 / (6262 + 365)
1239941;1439739749;asciilifeform;for all i know, half of'em are running 'pseudonode'
1239942;1439739766;fluffypony;asciilifeform: well at least they stopped listing the nodes that don't accept incoming connections
1239943;1439739769;fluffypony;they used to list them
1239944;1439739784;asciilifeform;'they' also stopped listing nodes running sane (pre-0.8)
1239945;1439739796;asciilifeform;and my nodes only appear because i bludgeoned the version string to death
1239946;1439739809;asciilifeform;(they appear as '-' and you can't click on it, aha)
1239947;1439739835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74514 @ 0.00070799 = 52.7552 BTC [-] {4} 
1239948;1439739896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10736 @ 0.00070223 = 7.5391 BTC [-] {2} 
1239949;1439739932;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced that the figures displayed at 'bitnodes' have any strong relationship to reality
1239950;1439739964;BingoBoingo;"
1239951;1439739965;BingoBoingo;For the record, at LTB we will be switching all our nodes over to BitcoinXT to ensure we stay on the proper chain when the fork is triggered early next year." >> lol https://letstalkbitcoin.com/forum/post/upcoming-bitcoin-hard-fork-r-bitcoin-censorship
1239952;1439739967;assbot;Upcoming Bitcoin Hard Fork & /r/bitcoin censorship - Bitcoin & Beyond | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITV71s )
1239953;1439740037;asciilifeform;that there's the magic bugle, then
1239954;1439740043;asciilifeform;the one where all the usg muppets stand up
1239955;1439740051;asciilifeform;(any not stood up yet?)
1239956;1439740126;asciilifeform;for the record, i'm rather surprised hearn didn't also push a switcheroo in the proof of work algo
1239957;1439740136;asciilifeform;'two tastes that go great together' (tm) (r)
1239958;1439740272;fluffypony;scrypt!
1239959;1439740273;fluffypony;:-P
1239960;1439740280;BingoBoingo;Comes later with permaflation
1239961;1439740306;fluffypony;then they're two steps away from being a Monero clone, goddamn altcoins
1239962;1439740359;BingoBoingo;Linked to LIBOR
1239963;1439740400;fluffypony;hah hah
1239964;1439740872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00071282 = 19.2818 BTC [+]
1239965;1439741416;jurov;Hearn has in the past been a consistent advocate for having more Bitcoin users pushed onto less reliable SPV wallets instead of fully validating Bitcoin nodes, a move that // something missing here? // in an environment with substantially larger blocks and a higher orphaned block rate.
1239966;1439741421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73123 @ 0.00069698 = 50.9653 BTC [-] {2} 
1239967;1439741431;jurov;BingoBoingo: accidentally something? ^
1239968;1439741501;BingoBoingo;jurov: fxd
1239969;1439742036;jurov;uf, how and when i got a "particularly promising branch criterion"?
1239970;1439742066;jurov;anyone knows what is that bbranch good for?
1239971;1439742164;mircea_popescu;chetty sticks.
1239972;1439742227;jurov;well.. server defo does not like my container shenanigans
1239973;1439742229;jurov;down
1239974;1439742274;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ? in #eulora ?
1239975;1439742298;jurov;oh i'm not in #eulora
1239976;1439742308;mircea_popescu;lol
1239977;1439743490;pete_dushenski;"a funny, quirky, and inspiring memoir from online entertainment mogul, actress, and "queen of the geeks" Felicia Day about her unusual upbringing, her rise to Internet stardom, and embracing her individuality to find success in Hollywood. "
1239978;1439743498;pete_dushenski;!s felicia day
1239979;1439743499;assbot;0 results for 'felicia day' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=felicia+day
1239980;1439743506;pete_dushenski;thought so.
1239981;1439743520;pete_dushenski;so famous, these people.
1239982;1439743531;pete_dushenski;"Hilarious and inspirational, You're Never Weird on the Internet (Almost) is proof that everyone should embrace what makes them different and be brave enough to share it with the world, because anything is possible now - even for a digital misfit. "
1239983;1439743533;pete_dushenski;vomit.
1239984;1439743726;mircea_popescu;and on the other hand, http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-115051
1239985;1439743727;assbot;A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvwAnF )
1239986;1439743877;pete_dushenski;these two hands are remarkably similar in terms of the half-retarded chickies they're holding
1239987;1439743903;mircea_popescu;a week!
1239988;1439743916;mircea_popescu;a week at least, with dedicated servers and ips, derp's been derping.
1239989;1439743926;mircea_popescu;what "spam makes money" ?
1239990;1439743951;mircea_popescu;it makes money like "i'm going to be a star" makes money.
1239991;1439743961;pete_dushenski;;;later tell funkenstein_ replied http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/15/emancipation-shemancipation-independence-shmindependence/#comment-26618
1239992;1439743963;assbot;Emancipation shemancipation, independence shmindependence. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nz4Efv )
1239993;1439743963;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1239994;1439744003;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the satisfaction of seeing one's spam comment on the pages of trilema is worth so much more than money
1239995;1439744012;mircea_popescu;heh
1239996;1439744079;pete_dushenski;;;seen menahem
1239997;1439744080;gribble;menahem was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <menahem> ahh shit thats cray. :D
1239998;1439744282;pete_dushenski;"Bar Roulette uses the Yelp and Uber APIs to find a place to go and doesn’t tell you until you arrive. It’s one of the first cool integrations I’ve seen using the Uber API that I’d want to try out."
1239999;1439744300;pete_dushenski;"Bar Roulette uses the Yelp and Uber APIs to find a place to go and doesn’t tell you until you arrive. It’s one of the first cool integrations I’ve seen using the Uber API that I’d want to try out."
1240000;1439744306;pete_dushenski;wtf.
1240001;1439744321;pete_dushenski;"Up for an adventure but can’t decide where to go? This app randomly picks a top bar on Yelp, picks you up in an Uber and takes you there — without you knowing the destination."
1240002;1439744328;pete_dushenski;such random !
1240003;1439744368;BingoBoingo;Latest article corrected http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/#comment-42174
1240004;1439744369;assbot;Hearn Releases Code to Potentially Fork XTC from Bitcoin | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nz5rgp )
1240005;1439744470;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/#comment-42177
1240006;1439744471;assbot;Hearn Releases Code to Potentially Fork XTC from Bitcoin | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nz5IQC )
1240007;1439744587;pete_dushenski;"I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network. Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism."
1240008;1439744598;pete_dushenski;^'satoshi'
1240009;1439744611;mircea_popescu;doh.
1240010;1439745655;BingoBoingo;In other news Qntra is up to 901 comments http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/#comment-42177
1240011;1439745656;assbot;Hearn Releases Code to Potentially Fork XTC from Bitcoin | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nz5IQC )
1240012;1439745683;mircea_popescu;and the counter is 42k ? lotta spam ?
1240013;1439745813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99846 @ 0.00070472 = 70.3635 BTC [+] {3} 
1240014;1439745838;mircea_popescu;i feel so rich.
1240015;1439745950;BingoBoingo;(40,340)  for the spam
1240016;1439745986;mircea_popescu;I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.
1240017;1439745986;mircea_popescu;The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.  When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satos
1240018;1439745986;mircea_popescu;hi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour.
1240019;1439745990;mircea_popescu;They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivia
1240020;1439745995;mircea_popescu;l problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.
1240021;1439745998;mircea_popescu;If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project.  Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.
1240022;1439746003;mircea_popescu;Satoshi Nakamoto
1240023;1439746007;mircea_popescu; sorry for taking the space, but you never know what else happens on teh internets.
1240024;1439746097;mircea_popescu;obviously all i see in there is "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi". but that'd be me.
1240025;1439746264;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1240026;1439746264;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SJZB18.txt )
1240027;1439746609;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h72bq/help_installing_xt_on_window_98/
1240028;1439746610;assbot;Help installing XT on Window 98? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW0N9e )
1240029;1439746683;mircea_popescu;!rated btcdrak
1240030;1439746683;assbot;btcdrak is not registered in WoT.
1240031;1439746693;mircea_popescu;wouldja mind ?
1240032;1439746714;BingoBoingo;!up btcdrak
1240033;1439746740;mircea_popescu;anyway, the reddit thread is pretty lulzy. all teh butthurt awww.
1240034;1439746745;btcdrak;not sure I too tbh.
1240035;1439746757;btcdrak;yeah reddit is a mess atm.
1240036;1439746787;mircea_popescu;"Heh, whoever this guy is, he probably could have never anticipated that the Streisand effect will be the downfall of the small-blockers' side. "
1240037;1439746788;mircea_popescu;etc.
1240038;1439746800;mircea_popescu;teh downfael1
1240039;1439746812;mircea_popescu;"Can't see why SN would write about Gavin in this sort of terse/removed tone."
1240040;1439746813;mircea_popescu;guess.
1240041;1439746829;btcdrak;bwahahahaha
1240042;1439746850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76400 @ 0.00072244 = 55.1944 BTC [+] {7} 
1240043;1439746866;mircea_popescu;btcdrak i mean, wouldja mind registering with assbot
1240044;1439746893;mircea_popescu;let's hold a moment of silence for 2 years ago. http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/
1240045;1439746894;assbot;And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx )
1240046;1439746909;btcdrak;It would be so funny if Satoshi does something to remove doubt of his identity. I'd love to see the cognitive dissonance play out on r/bitcoin.
1240047;1439746937;mircea_popescu;no point doing that before the idiots invest themselves in it.
1240048;1439746955;mircea_popescu;let gavinhearn come out with a "hey it's notrly satoshi" first.
1240049;1439747151;mircea_popescu;and speaking of gavin,
1240050;1439747153;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2014#822992
1240051;1439747153;assbot;Logged on 08-09-2014 22:35:52; mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
1240052;1439747247;btcdrak;ok I registered with assbot
1240053;1439747286;BingoBoingo;!rate btcdrak 1 lurks here
1240054;1439747286;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/242f55eb1067394d
1240055;1439747317;asciilifeform;eight yottabyte blocks when !!!1111
1240056;1439747321;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.btcdrak.1:bfd9f1dbc0e9d0d0e4a40211f5707f13406d3119b39375fe388e73cef2e3b13e
1240057;1439747321;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for btcdrak with note: lurks here
1240058;1439747357;mircea_popescu;!rate btcdrak 1 New blood
1240059;1439747357;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/fdbadb1d747a7974
1240060;1439747382;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.btcdrak.1:a647ff23eec9625b49ce18eb7a22cb190710fff646b72cf2b7ed06982735e980
1240061;1439747382;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for btcdrak with note: New blood
1240062;1439747383;btcdrak;I'm officially registered as an ass now. reddit will be pleased. next stop t/buttcoin. Jealous of petertodd who got mod status
1240063;1439747386;mircea_popescu;btcdrak can now self voice
1240064;1439747391;btcdrak;ty
1240065;1439747402;mircea_popescu;being an ass is the best thing to be - you get all teh pleasure.
1240066;1439747525;btcdrak;did you see this? https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3h78x9/pseudonode_can_now_pretend_to_be_bitcoin_xt/ LOL
1240067;1439747526;assbot;PseudoNode can now pretend to be Bitcoin XT. · basil00/PseudoNode@e61ec61 : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW2Fyz )
1240068;1439747570;btcdrak;looks like someone wants to mess with Mike's statistics
1240069;1439747571;mircea_popescu;the b-a node could do this since forever, if anytone gave a shit to bother.
1240070;1439747658;kakobrekla;wheres that ddoser now, could be put to good use
1240071;1439747673;mircea_popescu;lol
1240072;1439748125;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/16/cddfcdf25e7f92448824bd343e842e65.jpg
1240073;1439748129;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW3J5E )
1240074;1439748325;BingoBoingo;!up mitzip
1240075;1439748436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10854 @ 0.0007213 = 7.829 BTC [-]
1240076;1439748619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0007213 = 12.19 BTC [-]
1240077;1439748695;BingoBoingo;Underhanded c 2015 challenge is up http://www.underhanded-c.org/
1240078;1439748696;assbot;The Underhanded C Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW4NX2 )
1240079;1439748863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36139 @ 0.00072659 = 26.2582 BTC [+]
1240080;1439749174;BingoBoingo;;;nethash
1240081;1439749175;gribble;371799054.163
1240082;1439750388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43064 @ 0.00075597 = 32.5551 BTC [+] {5} 
1240083;1439750876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00075599 = 58.06 BTC [+] {5} 
1240084;1439751354;btcdrak; https://twitter.com/bramcohen/status/632954147994750980
1240085;1439751364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00072647 = 21.3582 BTC [-] {5} 
1240086;1439751378;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: fyi vlc will happily play youtube videos from the url alone. "open network".
1240087;1439751424;mats;TIL
1240088;1439751696;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: see pm
1240089;1439751815;thestringpuller;are the 14.04 test results available?
1240090;1439752227;mod6;ubuntu?
1240091;1439752401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.000756 = 2.7972 BTC [+] {2} 
1240092;1439752895;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dun have vlc on this machine and i don't usually care enough to check some vid on a dirty box
1240093;1439752903;mircea_popescu;but yeah.
1240094;1439753146;*;BingoBoingo just changed User Agent string again
1240095;1439754048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42336 @ 0.00075601 = 32.0064 BTC [+]
1240096;1439754200;BingoBoingo;54 weeks too early https://bitbet.us/bet/767/openly-gay-player-in-major-league-baseball-before/ http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/16/david_denson_baseball_finally_has_its_first_openly_gay_active_player.html
1240097;1439754201;assbot;BitBet - Openly gay player in Major League Baseball before August :: 0.07 B (35%) on Yes, 0.13 B (65%) on No | closed 1 year 3 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1TL6T6N )
1240098;1439754201;assbot;David Denson: Baseball finally has its first openly gay active player. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TL6Tnd )
1240099;1439754229;mircea_popescu;awww
1240100;1439754696;BingoBoingo;More podcaster derp https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h81dh/bram_cohen_bitcoinxt_because_the_best_way_of/cu541cb
1240101;1439754697;assbot;cryptonaut420 comments on [Bram Cohen] Bitcoin-XT: Because the best way of making engineering decisions is by popularity on reddit. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TL8DNh )
1240102;1439754716;BingoBoingo;Because MP, MPEx, Trilema, and qntra don't exist
1240103;1439755025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00075601 = 19.8453 BTC [+]
1240104;1439755057;punkman;cohen is a king among the autists
1240105;1439755451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.000741 = 21.9707 BTC [-]
1240106;1439755530;ben_vulpes;i just cracked my water heater thermostat open
1240107;1439755541;ben_vulpes;unsurprisingly, 'twas set to its lowest possible setting
1240108;1439755586;punkman;any higher and the heating becomes global instead of local
1240109;1439755616;ben_vulpes;the communists came through the apartments recently as well, installing low-flow faucet hobbles
1240110;1439755685;mats;lol it appears based on those Cohen tweets that weev has a sensible position on the fork
1240111;1439755692;mats;mebbe he is still reading logs
1240112;1439755748;mats;i still don't get why he took off after that brief conversation with mp if he actually has access to 0days
1240113;1439755957;BingoBoingo;mats: Not exploit zero days, "information" 0 days or something like that.
1240114;1439756126;mats;not sure what that means
1240115;1439756163;punkman;what like the pr release hacks?
1240116;1439756168;BingoBoingo;business seekrits or something like that
1240117;1439756183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61200 @ 0.00076531 = 46.837 BTC [+] {5} 
1240118;1439756185;mats;ic
1240119;1439756225;mats;that sounds even more difficult to sell than a n-day exploit
1240120;1439756252;BingoBoingo;lol https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/419341/1855544
1240121;1439756253;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq3Lmv )
1240122;1439756406;ben_vulpes;notrly, go short and drop the docs
1240123;1439757432;mircea_popescu;lol @ all teh reddit posts with 0 votes.
1240124;1439757466;mircea_popescu;mats upon research it turns out that teh guy isn't/wasn't actually doing anything. i'm obviously not the best avenue for that.
1240125;1439757478;mircea_popescu;iirc he made some start-up with max keiser, which failed.
1240126;1439757561;mircea_popescu;"Imagine that happened when they thought they had 75% but actually only 10%..."  <<< no need to imagine anything. simply recall the event a few weeks ago when they who thought they had 90% actually had <40%.
1240127;1439758684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11846 @ 0.000741 = 8.7779 BTC [-]
1240128;1439758842;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/troubadour/
1240129;1439758843;assbot;Troubadour ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJTHK6 )
1240130;1439760148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25854 @ 0.0007382 = 19.0854 BTC [-]
1240131;1439763259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00075084 = 31.0097 BTC [+]
1240132;1439763930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25854 @ 0.00075084 = 19.4122 BTC [+]
1240133;1439764113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210969 @ 0.00077068 = 162.5896 BTC [+] {10} 
1240134;1439764418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76950 @ 0.00078487 = 60.3957 BTC [+] {3} 
1240135;1439764906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83196 @ 0.00075084 = 62.4669 BTC [-]
1240136;1439765028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73600 @ 0.00073118 = 53.8148 BTC [-] {5} 
1240137;1439765150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00072025 = 47.7526 BTC [-] {2} 
1240138;1439767514;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1240139;1439767520;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 256.09, vol: 9822.81089287 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 256.05, vol: 4354.06766 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 259.29, vol: 27889.01352868 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 262.0, vol: 12.37063187 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 257.330128, vol: 18651.01300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 260.3475, vol: 263.60326104 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 260.8722, vol: 22.58341741 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1240140;1439767529;BingoBoingo;;;more
1240141;1439767529;gribble;257.950245245
1240142;1439767845;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone recall where the fuck i put that screenshot of gavin casually admitting that satoshi never spoke to him after he ran off and "presented" bitcoin @nsa hq ?
1240143;1439767879;shinohai;No, but if anyone finds it I will preserve it.
1240144;1439767887;midnightmagic;satoshi never spoke to anyone.
1240145;1439767954;shinohai;He may as well have sucked Gavin's cock as far as r/bitcoin is concerned.
1240146;1439767967;BingoBoingo;I think you may have trilema'd it this year
1240147;1439768000;mircea_popescu;yes this year.
1240148;1439768011;mircea_popescu;recently, cuz it was luzly how i'm apparently the only one remembering.
1240149;1439768017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00077666 = 14.64 BTC [+] {4} 
1240150;1439768038;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm checking the job board
1240151;1439768057;menahem;hmm, no screenshot, but there is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113609.0
1240152;1439768059;assbot;Satoshi dumped Bitcoin right after Gavin announced he was going to the CIA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYrUDx )
1240153;1439768087;menahem;that was recent though, I remember reading it about 2-ish weeks ago.
1240154;1439768092;menahem;(your post)
1240155;1439768130;mircea_popescu;i guess ire=make it
1240156;1439768200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39837 @ 0.00079097 = 31.5099 BTC [+] {4} 
1240157;1439768200;BingoBoingo;I wonder if Hearn made any An Heros this week http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/
1240158;1439768201;assbot;Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUts4e )
1240159;1439768250;mircea_popescu;win
1240160;1439768251;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
1240161;1439768252;assbot;There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYs65K )
1240162;1439768255;mircea_popescu;that's why i wasn't finding it lol
1240163;1439768284;BingoBoingo;Ah
1240164;1439768328;BingoBoingo;I dunno how you find old Trilemas, even Qntra is starting to really slow down the brainchain index
1240165;1439768355;*;BingoBoingo would be totally lost if not for the http://qntra.net/archives/ page
1240166;1439768357;assbot;Archives | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYsi4V )
1240167;1439768428;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1
1240168;1439768636;menahem;lol now that I think about it, that's probably why I remember seeing that article.. after going through qntra archives.
1240169;1439769022;mats;>0.00079097
1240170;1439769027;mats;wat
1240171;1439769082;BingoBoingo;Bullish
1240172;1439769103;BingoBoingo;Or did that break your trading stratergy
1240173;1439769120;punkman;to the moon!
1240174;1439769126;mats;nah
1240175;1439769145;mats;i make small 2-4% plays
1240176;1439769169;mats;unfortunately i don't get paid when mpoe moves like this but meh whatever
1240177;1439769212;mats;i wont get hosed when it falls back to 0.00028 either
1240178;1439769386;scoopbot_revived;The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/
1240179;1439769394;mats;order book currently looks like this: bids (0.00074712, 58500) (0.00071408, 57) (0.00071407, 21696) asks (0.00076799, 159300) (0.00079910, 35312) (0.0008, 32418)
1240180;1439769405;mats;much spread
1240181;1439769722;mats;http://quellish.tumblr.com/post/126712999812/how-on-earth-the-facebook-ios-application-is-so
1240182;1439769723;assbot;quellish - How on Earth the Facebook iOS Application is so large ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYu4TN )
1240183;1439769757;mats;>there are more than 18,000 classses in the application
1240184;1439769822;BingoBoingo;That was fast https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9763/the_news_in_brief_hearn_is_a_shitstain_mp_is/
1240185;1439769824;assbot;The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYufhW )
1240186;1439769838;punkman;I don't think I've written 18k classes total so far
1240187;1439770351;mats;if only 'satoshi' went to the effort of signing a message with an addr from his hoard
1240188;1439770408;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/420783
1240189;1439770409;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYv1LJ )
1240190;1439770412;midnightmagic;Nobody actually knows whether there is any hoard or not. It would not be possible to attribute it to him.
1240191;1439770447;mats;i would be convinced it was him if he used coins from the first day of mining
1240192;1439770479;mats;and would have the interesting effect of perhaps moving the market
1240193;1439770645;mats;but yes, whether he has the keys at all -- an open question.
1240194;1439770690;Adlai;satoshi should spend to the mpex address, move two markets with one stone
1240195;1439770793;mats;i can't imagine how many redditor brains would explode at the notion
1240196;1439771010;BingoBoingo;Win https://github.com/xtbit/notbitcoinxt#not-bitcoin-xt
1240197;1439771011;assbot;xtbit/notbitcoinxt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lekjki )
1240198;1439771049;BingoBoingo;"This version is indistinguishable from Bitcoin XT 0.11A except that it will not actually hard fork to BIP101, yet appears on the p2p network as Bitcoin XT 0.11A replete with features, yet at a consensus level behaves just like Bitcoin Core 0.11. If it is used to mine, it will produce XT block versions without actually supporting >1MB blocks."
1240199;1439771999;midnightmagic;more ideally the instant the fork condition is met it would invisibly switch the miner back to making normal -core blocks., and the miner should be stripping all identifying marks from coinbase etc and submitting via e.g. eligius block submission port.
1240200;1439772227;BingoBoingo;Well this looks like someone's first draft. I'm sure more things will emerge later for great justice. Still no XT block yet.
1240201;1439773202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103500 @ 0.00076799 = 79.487 BTC [-]
1240202;1439774104;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol 2 votes, 100% upvoted, yet it's not in new not in rising etc.
1240203;1439774111;mircea_popescu;meanwhile hearn is being censored.,
1240204;1439774117;mircea_popescu;the life and times lmao.
1240205;1439774459;trinque;hory shit! the day I pick to go to the river!
1240206;1439774462;*;trinque begins the logs
1240207;1439774531;trinque;shinohai | ;;later tell trinque got the script to tun, fails to compile BxImage: https://transfer.sh/rkCI7/genkernel.log << that oddly is a failure building the kernel, which is unexpected and should not be gentoo-specific
1240208;1439774532;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfa8Pg )
1240209;1439775497;shinohai;trinque: I finally got it to run, added  genkernel --menuconfig all to line 185
1240210;1439775522;shinohai;but still have no idea how to run it inside qemu
1240211;1439775784;ben_vulpes;what what?
1240212;1439775788;ben_vulpes;theymos moderates r/bitcoin?
1240213;1439775798;ben_vulpes;nyooz to me
1240214;1439775944;trinque;shinohai: may I have your .config ?
1240215;1439775958;trinque;and I'll diff it with the one I produced
1240216;1439775971;trinque;or rather, do you know what you kicked on in menuconfig?
1240217;1439775997;trinque;and the qemu commands is...  qemu-system-x86_64 -hda root.img -vnc :0 -redir tcp:2222::22
1240218;1439775999;trinque;something like that
1240219;1439776212;shinohai;I'll get config asap. I tried starting it that same way (minus vnc, don't use it)
1240220;1439776291;trinque;I had that in there to see the lilo screen
1240221;1439776297;trinque;but not necessary long as it boots
1240222;1439776551;trinque;shinohai: are you on an amd something something?
1240223;1439778230;ben_vulpes;http://www.businessinsider.com/25-most-exciting-bitcoin-startups-in-the-world-ethereum-21-coinbase-coindesk-2015-3?op=1 << remember when coindesk was #5 according to business derpsider?
1240224;1439778231;assbot;The 25 most exciting bitcoin startups in the world - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYEpyV )
1240225;1439778412;trinque;shinohai: you might want to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
1240226;1439783325;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes mnop
1240227;1439783630;hanbot;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9jfj/adam_back_on_twittertwobitidiot_someone_mentioned/  <-> http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/
1240228;1439783633;assbot;Adam Back on Twitter:.@twobitidiot someone mentioned hypothetical: if you lost your Bitcoins as a result of Gavin network split - would you hold him accountable? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMuPqj )
1240229;1439783634;assbot;Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUts4e )
1240230;1439783773;mircea_popescu;aww
1240231;1439783999;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/ << i suppose theymos' valliant effort to make reddit matter is cute in its own way.
1240232;1439784001;assbot;It's time for a break: About the recent mess & temporary new rules : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMvHez )
1240233;1439784025;mircea_popescu;weird that he didn't choose to take that stand three years ago on his own damned forum, but instead goes to break his neck on someone else's shit platform.
1240234;1439784032;mircea_popescu;i guess this is the problem with youth.
1240235;1439784042;mircea_popescu;by the time it figures shit out it's screwed alreadt.
1240236;1439784147;ben_vulpes;how old is theymos?
1240237;1439784180;mircea_popescu;twennysomething.
1240238;1439784247;ben_vulpes;bitcointalk was ppulling in what, tens of btc/wk?
1240239;1439784302;mircea_popescu;certainly more than reddit modertatorship's paying hjim
1240240;1439784381;ben_vulpes;http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-11.log.html#t15:08:27 << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please?
1240241;1439784382;assbot;#Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-11 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lew22i )
1240242;1439784400;mircea_popescu;lobbes did that
1240243;1439784408;mircea_popescu;!rated lobbes
1240244;1439784408;assbot;You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: #eulora logs bot.
1240245;1439784444;ben_vulpes;i'd dearly love a css pass on logs.bitcoin-assets to colorize by speaker and with a mobile breakpoint
1240246;1439784454;ben_vulpes;for logging while dropping logs
1240247;1439784732;mircea_popescu;;;later tell belxjanger please fix your connection.
1240248;1439784732;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1240249;1439784739;mircea_popescu;;;later tell belxjander please fix your connection.
1240250;1439784740;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1240251;1439784740;mircea_popescu;meh.
1240252;1439786510;phf;ben_vulpes: mobile breakpoint?
1240253;1439786832;hanbot;ben_vulpes> did this clear up your abortive attempt? >> mhm
1240254;1439786929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075521 = 1.5104 BTC [-]
1240255;1439787112;hanbot;!up ShawnLeary
1240256;1439787117;ShawnLeary;thx
1240257;1439787128;ShawnLeary;@member:ben_vulpes https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html
1240258;1439787129;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXdHns )
1240259;1439787161;ShawnLeary;you can become a VIP Donator with a small gift of 50 BTC to theymos
1240260;1439787352;mats;what is this @member: business
1240261;1439787408;ShawnLeary;i dunno, i copy pasted my previous post that didn't go through
1240262;1439787426;ShawnLeary;i'm using colloquy
1240263;1439787600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00075521 = 27.7162 BTC [-]
1240264;1439794224;fluffypony;https://github.com/xtbit/notbitcoinxt
1240265;1439794226;assbot;xtbit/notbitcoinxt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcH9vI )
1240266;1439794226;fluffypony;hah hah
1240267;1439799364;mircea_popescu;lol
1240268;1439800463;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMhzHEqWcAAQXCV.png
1240269;1439800464;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuuG4S )
1240270;1439800779;fluffypony;lol
1240271;1439800797;punkman;"A mischievous fellow who counts among his friends the queen of Bhutan  and Catherine Deneuve, Louboutin has perfected the art of the glacial  smile when faced with awkward ethical questions. What does he make, for  instance, of the fact that in India, a market into which he is  expanding, there are lots of people who own no shoes at all?"
1240272;1439800811;punkman;"“Not everything is for everyone and that’s the way it is,” he said,  teeth gleaming indifferently. His theories about shoes were tinged,  predictably, with a seeming misogyny. They come, he insisted, with a  great deal of “sexual energy” – which is perhaps just as well, as the  only thing it’s possible to do in a pair of his heels is lie down."
1240273;1439801323;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/12/thousand-refugees-locked-in-stadium-overnight-kos
1240274;1439801323;assbot;Migrants locked in stadium on Kos for nearly 24 hours | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX9nrJ )
1240275;1439801325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00076052 = 19.2412 BTC [+]
1240276;1439801705;mircea_popescu;heels are not for us bred fatties.
1240277;1439801710;mircea_popescu;heels are for women.
1240278;1439801731;mircea_popescu;wtf "ethical questions" are these ?
1240279;1439801772;punkman;why can't bums in india have louboutins? not fair!
1240280;1439801774;mircea_popescu;butthurt is now "ethics" or what.
1240281;1439801782;mircea_popescu;because they're lesser people.
1240282;1439801874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69010 @ 0.00075721 = 52.2551 BTC [-] {5} 
1240283;1439801935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00075991 = 40.0473 BTC [+] {3} 
1240284;1439801953;mircea_popescu;since we're doing lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/lol-gavin.png
1240285;1439801954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuwJ9b )
1240286;1439802436;mircea_popescu;https://gist.github.com/sipa/c65665fc360ca7a176a6 maybe worth a read.
1240287;1439802438;assbot;Block size according to technological growth. · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbIM6k )
1240288;1439802456;mircea_popescu;mostly for "Bitcoin's advantage over other systems does not lie in scalability. Well-designed centralized systems can trivially compete with Bitcoin's on-chain transactions in terms of cost, speed, reliability, convenience, and scale. Its power lies in transparency, lack of need for trust in network peers, miners, and those who influence or control the system. Wanting to increase the scale of the system is in conflict
1240289;1439802457;mircea_popescu;with all of those."
1240290;1439802507;punkman;that's nice, but :
1240291;1439802512;punkman;"It implements a series of block size steps, one every ~97 days, between  January 2017 and July 2063, each increasing the maximum block size by  4.4%. This allows an overall growth of 17.7% per year. "
1240292;1439802630;mircea_popescu;yeah the actual function's useless as is
1240293;1439802642;mircea_popescu;but the conceptual harness is sound.
1240294;1439802653;mircea_popescu;"Attempting to buy time with a fast increase is not wanting to face that reality, and treating the system as something whose scale trumps all other concerns. A long term scalability plan should aim on decreasing the need for trust required in off-chain systems, rather than increasing the need for trust in Bitcoin." etc
1240295;1439802658;*;Adlai has realized from 'notbitcoinxt' that ultimately the only thing that matters is what enters the blockchain. text, including that inside textual protocol fields, is just text.
1240296;1439802707;Adlai;miner's chicken. they may all support 42TB blocks, as long as the other guy mines them first
1240297;1439802773;mircea_popescu;a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.
1240298;1439802995;mircea_popescu;gives everyone some leverage - miners that want to keep blocks smaller can mine empty blocks. miners that mine large blocks have the usual disadvantage due to speed. the thing itself allows very limited growth, in the sense of 1% growth if the previous two weeks were all full blocks.
1240299;1439803028;punkman;that's more than 17.7% :P
1240300;1439803032;mircea_popescu;actual bitcoin users can actually force the miners, by paying enough to make their transactions not-non-mineable, even if it fills blocks
1240301;1439803055;mircea_popescu;punkman it could be.
1240302;1439803067;mircea_popescu;that's the difference : i have no need for an arbitrary 18% no matter what.
1240303;1439803084;punkman;but yes this might be a sort of sane way to handle block size
1240304;1439803105;mircea_popescu;maintaining full blocks for two weeks straight has not happened yet nor would it be trivial
1240305;1439803115;mircea_popescu;20 empty blocks in the two weeks interval nullify the growth.
1240306;1439803136;mircea_popescu;making any expansion truely consensus-driven.
1240307;1439803136;punkman;I'd still want the fee market to develop further before any increase.
1240308;1439803156;mircea_popescu;it necessarily would. because unless two weeks worth of filled blocks, it does nothing.
1240309;1439803174;mircea_popescu;if the fee market has not developed by the time the blocks are filled like that, it;s not happening.
1240310;1439803201;punkman;right now it appears that fees are increasing, but only because of the derps doing "stress tests"
1240311;1439803218;mircea_popescu;there has not yet been as much as a signle day of straight full blocks.
1240312;1439803227;mircea_popescu;in fact, there have not been full bloicks period
1240313;1439803248;mircea_popescu;(ie, 1mb exactly. because 990 mb blocks fails to allow for an increase by the above proposal)
1240314;1439803273;mircea_popescu;990kb i mean
1240315;1439803320;punkman;depends if these kb are base10
1240316;1439803328;mircea_popescu;iirc they are
1240317;1439803341;mircea_popescu;1000000 bytes
1240318;1439803481;mircea_popescu;(in case it wasn't obvious - this wouldn't allow a decrease of blocksize. increase only)
1240319;1439803530;Adlai;eh? if the average of the 2kb batch is under x/1.01, wouldn't that reduce the cap?
1240320;1439803550;Adlai;or does this have a "memory"
1240321;1439803591;mircea_popescu;that's the biggest problem with it, it introduces a state.
1240322;1439803601;punkman;does it?
1240323;1439803628;punkman;hmm
1240324;1439803642;mircea_popescu;you can't allow it to reduce block size, because the noise will make the system unbound and it'll collapse.
1240325;1439803649;mircea_popescu;but to not allow it to reduce, you must keep state.
1240326;1439803663;mircea_popescu;which is horribru.
1240327;1439803710;mircea_popescu;but it horribru or not horribru - a) we are currently keeping state, just, as a constant and b) there is no way to make pie-in-the-sky arbitrary values work.
1240328;1439803728;mircea_popescu;be they 8mb or 17.7 or /dev/rand or anything else.
1240329;1439803864;punkman;1mb has wroked splendidly so far
1240330;1439803870;mircea_popescu;no argument.
1240331;1439803877;Adlai;a constant is a lot less state that max(constant * average, variable)
1240332;1439803888;mircea_popescu;no argument #2.
1240333;1439803899;punkman;maybe just go to 2mb at some point?
1240334;1439803903;mircea_popescu;but, if a solution to this problem, admitting it is a problem, and admitting a solution can be had, is to be had,
1240335;1439803906;punkman;whole lot simpler
1240336;1439803915;mircea_popescu;it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,
1240337;1439803917;Adlai;punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/173/commits
1240338;1439803918;assbot;BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB by jgarzik · Pull Request #173 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLH1SS )
1240339;1439803918;mircea_popescu;including sipa's idea.
1240340;1439803942;mircea_popescu;punkman you'll never get consensus behind "random number".
1240341;1439803952;mircea_popescu;not until you become the saint of numbers anyway.
1240342;1439803971;punkman;2mb is how I always imagined an increase, but yeah I guess that unworkability is becoming apparent these days
1240343;1439803993;mircea_popescu;i imagined the us electoral system will work.
1240344;1439804045;punkman;could just have blocksize next to diff target in block header I suppose
1240345;1439804059;mircea_popescu;would kinda have to.
1240346;1439804089;mircea_popescu;irrespective of what "the very talented" "core developers" think, this will not be a simple or easy change. it will require a lot of touching,
1240347;1439804097;mircea_popescu;and pretending otherwise is just that, pretending.
1240348;1439804139;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, if we're to keep state the only sane way is to put it in the block headers.
1240349;1439804214;mircea_popescu;(why the blocks were designed to not contain a summary bytecount of their own variable content i nthe first place is yet another example of the "satoshi was not much of a designer" thing)
1240350;1439804238;mircea_popescu;who the fuck looks at a list and goes "a it's ok, don't need header referencing the size, why would you."
1240351;1439804243;punkman;why have a bytecount in the block?
1240352;1439804247;punkman;you just count the bytes
1240353;1439804254;mircea_popescu;o.o
1240354;1439804279;mircea_popescu;and when you allocate memory, same ? you just count the bytes you used ? AFTER YOU DID ?
1240355;1439804286;Adlai;why have difficulty in the headers? you just count the hashes
1240356;1439804294;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1240357;1439804311;punkman;lemme explain, if we have the size of each block included in headers, that's not the state we need
1240358;1439804313;mircea_popescu;only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"
1240359;1439804322;mircea_popescu;the MAXIMAL size.
1240360;1439804329;mircea_popescu;what you plan to allocate.
1240361;1439804363;mircea_popescu;a noob saved a word ("who would need 1000000 repeated each block!!!") and in the process made the design much dumber.
1240362;1439804378;punkman;oh ok then, I read it wrong
1240363;1439804381;mircea_popescu;but anyway - the fucking magic number should have been in block headers not in a c file.
1240364;1439804397;mircea_popescu;and back in the day you'd get flunked in undergrad sys design for shit like this.
1240365;1439804411;Adlai;ahem. c++
1240366;1439804423;mircea_popescu;same difference, here.
1240367;1439804445;*;Adlai searches memory/google for that altcoin that commits to its own source code
1240368;1439804464;punkman;lolwut
1240369;1439804536;mircea_popescu;provably wrong ?
1240370;1439804610;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone got a github account, leave a link to this convo on there, curious if sipa/anyone groks wtf's going on.
1240371;1439804672;mircea_popescu;of course this would also trash the fixed size blocks-powered bitcoinfs
1240372;1439804682;mircea_popescu;which unequivocally sucks.
1240373;1439804707;cazalla;"He had recently landed a job as a bitcoin ATM attendant in the Waves Coffee House at Smithe and Howe streets and he saw a bright future in the currency. He wanted to create a shared space for the bitcoin community. But having to worry about whether he had a home to come back to at the end of every workday was starting to interfere with his business plans." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/vancouvers-housing-costs-no-pro
1240374;1439804709;assbot;404 - Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLIF6V )
1240375;1439804709;cazalla;blem-for-entrepreneur-living-in-a-van/article25982115/
1240376;1439804730;mircea_popescu;bumcoin.
1240377;1439804746;Adlai;!s tezos
1240378;1439804747;assbot;0 results for 'tezos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tezos
1240379;1439804757;Adlai;http://tezos.com/
1240380;1439804757;assbot;Tezos, a self-amending crypto-ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLIM2n )
1240381;1439804757;cazalla;pretty much, but what is the attraction to creating an embassy, shared space, etc etc?
1240382;1439804795;punkman;cazalla: what you don't like our shared space here?
1240383;1439804857;cazalla;punkman, i imagine they only discuss bitcoin as the embassy whereas here, it is a little different.. gentleman's club as one article states
1240384;1439804939;Adlai;http://tezos.com/text/language.txt somebody has been working so hard that he missed the memo on steak
1240385;1439804940;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJeO7 )
1240386;1439804953;cazalla;damn, the shit is everywhere this evening.. http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/internet/africa-s-first-bitcoin-academy-1.1901006
1240387;1439804954;assbot;Africa’s first Bitcoin academy - IOL SciTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJfl9 )
1240388;1439804980;cazalla;;;later tell fluffypony ^^ might be worth checking out, eh? :P
1240389;1439804980;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1240390;1439805041;cazalla;this is the chick running the academy https://cryptortrust.com/about/advisory-boards/advisory-board-africa/sonya-kuhnel/
1240391;1439805044;assbot;Sonya Kuhnel | Cryptor Trust Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJrkm )
1240392;1439805047;fluffypony;omf
1240393;1439805052;fluffypony;Sonya can go die in a fire
1240394;1439805068;fluffypony;she's the one that banned me from attending future Bitcoin Africa conferences
1240395;1439805077;fluffypony;because I was "disrespectful" to her
1240396;1439805119;cazalla;what'd ya do fluffypony?
1240397;1439805141;fluffypony;I ridiculed one of the presenters because he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine generals problem
1240398;1439805151;fluffypony;ridiculed him on Twitter I mean
1240399;1439805171;fluffypony;so she came up to me in the middle of the conference, during someone's talk
1240400;1439805184;fluffypony;and asked me if I was @fluffyponyza, which I said I wa
1240401;1439805185;fluffypony;*was
1240402;1439805197;fluffypony;and then she's like "you've been Tweeting out some mean things about Gareth"
1240403;1439805208;punkman;link?
1240404;1439805210;fluffypony;so I go "who?", because I'd been tweeting out mean things about a lot of idiots that were presenting
1240405;1439805235;fluffypony;so then she says "well I think you shouldn't tweet that"
1240406;1439805235;Adlai;blocks and hacks may break our backs but words should never hurt us
1240407;1439805254;fluffypony;so I go "well then he can man up and come and talk to me himself, else he must fuck off"
1240408;1439805264;fluffypony;so then she goes "well I'm just the messenger"
1240409;1439805267;fluffypony;so I go "well then you can fuck off too"
1240410;1439805292;fluffypony;then they tweeted a few hours later about how I wasn't welcome at future Bitcoin Africa conferences because I was disrespectful
1240411;1439805352;fluffypony;punkman: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/589002037528002560
1240412;1439805360;fluffypony;and https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/589002159368310784
1240413;1439805395;fluffypony;I was WAY meaner to Brock Pierce: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/589046879054336000
1240414;1439805418;punkman;lel, such mean
1240415;1439805436;fluffypony;I know right
1240416;1439805442;fluffypony;SO DISRESPECTFOOL
1240417;1439805535;mircea_popescu;"Sonya is an entrepreneur and founder of Bitcoin Payments."
1240418;1439805537;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1240419;1439805560;Naphex;heh
1240420;1439805599;mircea_popescu;lol you don't toy with your food enough fluffypony
1240421;1439805626;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: well I wanted to hear the speaker so I could mock him on Twitter as well, so I didn't have time for a protracted conversation with the stupid cow
1240422;1439805654;mircea_popescu;so tell her "listen, i want to hear the speaker to i can mock him as well."
1240423;1439805660;mircea_popescu;much better than "fuck off"
1240424;1439805670;fluffypony;hah hah
1240425;1439805675;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1240426;1439805678;mircea_popescu;let em squirm.
1240427;1439805753;mircea_popescu;"Sonya is also Founder and Director of two Hats a design and development company that specializes in corporate branding, print design, web design, web development, mobile/responsive web development, e-commerce services, business analysis, search engine optimization, social media, Google Analytics, Google Ads and E-Marketing."
1240428;1439805758;mircea_popescu;and tooth whitening.
1240429;1439805773;mircea_popescu;"specializes" seems to have lost a meaning sometime in 2004.
1240430;1439805805;fluffypony;lol
1240431;1439805817;mircea_popescu;and it could never be found again.
1240432;1439805843;fluffypony;"Riccardo is the founder and director of fluffypony inc., a company that specialises in *.* "
1240433;1439805849;fluffypony;soon (tm)
1240434;1439805882;mircea_popescu;nah, riccardo is a suspicious guy sending paypal donations in clear violation of maritime law.
1240435;1439805889;mircea_popescu;i know him.
1240436;1439805927;fluffypony;hah hah
1240437;1439805928;fluffypony;yes exactly
1240438;1439805938;fluffypony;dodgy PayPal donations from darkest Africa
1240439;1439805943;fluffypony;http://blockchainacademy.co.za/#pricing
1240440;1439805945;assbot;The Bitcoin Academy | Bitcoin and Blockchain Training in South Africa ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLLm8H )
1240441;1439805951;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut
1240442;1439805970;mircea_popescu;they also want moneyz ? where is it, in nigeria ?
1240443;1439805987;fluffypony;so ~$230 for a "full day course"
1240444;1439805988;mircea_popescu;"sonya has a urgent business propozal for you!"
1240445;1439805995;fluffypony;"catering included"
1240446;1439806020;mircea_popescu;;;google pizza poundcake
1240447;1439806021;gribble;Seinfeld Scripts - The Muffin Tops: <http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheMuffinTops.htm>; Pizza PoundCake on Pinterest: <https://www.pinterest.com/unicornrescue/>; Seinfeld - J. Peterman reality bus tour - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9WtjFhEGrM>
1240448;1439806049;fluffypony;it's like a bunch of retards sat around a table and said "we missed out on buying Bitcoin at $0.50, so how do we make money from it now?"
1240449;1439806066;fluffypony;I bet they launch an altcoin next
1240450;1439806069;mircea_popescu;"specialize in it!"
1240451;1439806084;mircea_popescu;lol. it is kinda the retard path. prolly come up with some fixes first tho.
1240452;1439806234;fluffypony;what do you teach in a Bitcoin "developer" course anyway
1240453;1439806238;fluffypony;how to hit the JSON RPC API?
1240454;1439806287;mircea_popescu;BeSt PrAcTiCeS
1240455;1439806300;fluffypony;hah hah
1240456;1439806364;mircea_popescu;you know i have trouble picturing you telling some random woman to fuck off ?
1240457;1439806447;fluffypony;I know, it was a little out of character, but I was extremely pissed off that the guy didn't have the balls to come talk to me himself
1240458;1439806461;fluffypony;and instead some random comes to do it, like she's his mother
1240459;1439806619;mircea_popescu;should have bought her a drink.
1240460;1439809829;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-08-2015#1240225   <<< I think so too now, I usually only use default mem value on new machine :/
1240461;1439809829;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 02:26:52; trinque: shinohai: you might want to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
1240462;1439810581;shinohai;http://cointelegraph.com/news/115134/windows-10-a-serious-threat-to-bitcoin-privacy   <<<ya think?
1240463;1439810582;assbot;Windows 10 – A Serious Threat To Bitcoin Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1EoLL )
1240464;1439811183;mircea_popescu;lol bitcoin on win10 should be the lulz of all time
1240465;1439811549;shinohai;Bitcoin on any windows is kind of lulzy to me.
1240466;1439816461;shinohai;http://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/playing-tetris-can-help-reduce-craving-for-drugs-food-and-sex-study-728802   <<< I have yet to tell a woman that messaged me for a booty call "Sorry not tonite, I'm playing Tetris."
1240467;1439816462;assbot;Playing Tetris Can Help Reduce Craving for Drugs, Food, and Sex: Study | NDTV Gadgets ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHF65R )
1240468;1439817852;jurov;shinohai: "craving" happens usually when nobody calls :)
1240469;1439818100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.000755 = 32.9935 BTC [-]
1240470;1439818795;shinohai;lol
1240471;1439820325;thestringpuller;interesting. a botnet of bitcoin nodes...
1240472;1439820541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00074712 = 41.9881 BTC [-] {2} 
1240473;1439822255;shinohai;;;ticker
1240474;1439822256;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.81, Best ask: 258.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 258.51, 24 hour volume: 12078.23603986, 24 hour low: 257.4, 24 hour high: 262.37, 24 hour vwap: None
1240475;1439823041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00073682 = 37.7252 BTC [-] {4} 
1240476;1439823399;thestringpuller;fluffypony: Gareth, the old bitinstant CTO
1240477;1439823408;thestringpuller;?*
1240478;1439823972;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1240479;1439823982;fluffypony;thestringpuller: no
1240480;1439824015;fluffypony;oh wow I actually found the speech
1240481;1439824019;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9o88m8gS4
1240482;1439824020;assbot;Gareth Grobler -  New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0fLOq )
1240483;1439824033;fluffypony;the slide is hard to see in its glory, pity
1240484;1439824039;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240358 << ada
1240485;1439824039;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 09:38:33; mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"
1240486;1439824131;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240336 << i'm curious re: why this should ever be necessary; and why one ought to even consider opening this portcullis until long after the siege is lifted and the last gavinist is hanged
1240487;1439824131;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 09:31:55; mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,
1240488;1439824131;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1240489;1439824198;ascii_field;why the fuck NOT 1MB forever?
1240490;1439824221;ascii_field;speed of light will not increase just because ten trillion schmucks think they would like it to;
1240491;1439824235;ascii_field;nor will the permeativity constant change;
1240492;1439824390;punkman;there were a couple threads discussing the increase in regards to fees
1240493;1439824438;punkman;it might be that miners won't get enough fees in 1MB blocks
1240494;1439824459;ascii_field;again the socialist garbage
1240495;1439824477;ascii_field;they get 'not enough' - they ~die~ and are replaced by folks who don't need as much.
1240496;1439824481;ascii_field;and again, again.
1240497;1439824483;ascii_field;ad infinitum.
1240498;1439824521;ascii_field;but noooo, the maggots want ~me~ - the relay operators - to pay
1240499;1439824565;punkman;so you die and someone else relays?
1240500;1439824579;ascii_field;nah i can die so usg becomes sole relayer.
1240501;1439824592;ascii_field;kinda the plan, i think
1240502;1439824646;ascii_field;notice that mining scales down ad infinitum - bitcoin worked fine when mining consisted of spare cpu cycles
1240503;1439824651;ascii_field;whereas relaying does not.
1240504;1439824670;jurov;they can switch to litecoin, monero, etc.
1240505;1439824693;punkman;it worked then with spare cpu cycles, I don't think you can have that again
1240506;1439824723;ascii_field;punkman: not literally. but can easily have bitcoin and 99.999% of extant miners starving
1240507;1439824743;ascii_field;and their equipment repurchased for pennies on the dollar by new folks.
1240508;1439824780;ascii_field;but imho, even having this conversation at all is a kind of surrender to usg
1240509;1439824802;ascii_field;the only reason why the block size 'conversation' is even happening at all is that they have 'taught the controversy'
1240510;1439824816;ascii_field;!s teaching the controversy
1240511;1439824817;assbot;16 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy
1240512;1439824837;punkman;pretty sure we've been discussing this even before the controversy
1240513;1439824842;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827669
1240514;1439824842;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
1240515;1439824842;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
1240516;1439824842;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:31; asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...)
1240517;1439825295;funkenstein_;in to say "Hegelian dialectic"
1240518;1439825314;punkman;for interested readers, Pierre_Rochard's thread about the limit and fees, with Gavin as special guest: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986252
1240519;1439825314;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 18:23:26; Pierre_Rochard: my main disagreement is on the economics side, you say “ Limit the number of transactions that can happen on the Bitcoin blockchain, and instead of paying higher fees people will perform their transactions somewhere else.”
1240520;1439825518;thestringpuller;ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
1240521;1439825545;thestringpuller;also there is some d00d offering a 25 BTC bounty to the first miner to mine an XT block with the version header.
1240522;1439825584;thestringpuller;only 749 blocks to bribe!
1240523;1439825616;punkman;someone should definitely take the idiots 25btc
1240524;1439825726;kakobrekla;just merge mine your derp coin and done.
1240525;1439825868;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1240526;1439826426;shinohai;https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/17/using-ambient-sound-as-a-two-factor-authentication-system/
1240527;1439826427;assbot;Using ambient sound as a two-factor authentication system | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1gQKrqX )
1240528;1439826441;shinohai;Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
1240529;1439826620;jurov;!s pr0n mic
1240530;1439826620;assbot;0 results for 'pr0n mic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pr0n+mic
1240531;1439826681;jurov;!s hookers microphone
1240532;1439826682;assbot;4 results for 'hookers microphone' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hookers+microphone
1240533;1439826708;jurov;^ idea already considered by serenissima the almighty :DDD
1240534;1439826818;jurov;but to 2FA.. you'd have to keep reusing the same hookers, i spose
1240535;1439826906;shinohai;LOL nice
1240536;1439826950;shinohai;There is nothing new under the sun, it has likely already been proposed in these hallowed forums.
1240537;1439827067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00072771 = 14.2631 BTC [-] {3} 
1240538;1439827909;thestringpuller;i like to think of it more a great hall
1240539;1439827915;thestringpuller;or a court
1240540;1439827974;shinohai;It *is* a court for sure. I should like to see more trial by combat though.
1240541;1439828037;thestringpuller;maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that
1240542;1439828057;shinohai;:D
1240543;1439828082;shinohai;I got to stop being lazy and find me a shitty old desktop so I can try eulora again.
1240544;1439830414;mike_c;virtualbox works too
1240545;1439830445;jurov;mike_c: you actually run eu in it?
1240546;1439830463;mike_c;I used to, yeah.  before you did the thing with the binaries
1240547;1439830479;jurov;and it's usable at all?
1240548;1439830487;mike_c;yup, worked fine.  no sound :)
1240549;1439830527;mike_c;from what I remember the framerate wasn't awesome, but entirely usable.
1240550;1439830710;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1240551;1439830723;ascii_field;http://orwaysoftware.com << lulzy. one-stop shop for sp4mz0r
1240552;1439830724;assbot;OrwaySoftware | Private Crypters | Buy Crypter | Advanced Crypter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrLlla )
1240553;1439830767;ascii_field;'Orway does not condone the use of malware.' << mega-l0l, they ~sell~ crapware and nothing else
1240554;1439830910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3016 @ 0.00075446 = 2.2755 BTC [+] {3} 
1240555;1439830971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37342 @ 0.00076056 = 28.4008 BTC [+] {2} 
1240556;1439831151;kakobrekla;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?kindergarten=true
1240557;1439831152;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrMdq1 )
1240558;1439831152;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1240559;1439831210;ascii_field;kakobrekla: wai wat
1240560;1439831258;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015&bots=true#1240240 < i added 'kindergarten' mode for him
1240561;1439831258;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 04:06:21; ben_vulpes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-11.log.html#t15:08:27 << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please?
1240562;1439831286;ascii_field;i see colour in both modes ?
1240563;1439831320;kakobrekla;link ?
1240564;1439831344;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?kindergarten=false
1240565;1439831345;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mu14Vo )
1240566;1439831355;kakobrekla;forget the false
1240567;1439831357;kakobrekla;just unset it
1240568;1439831373;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
1240569;1439831374;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mu15Zn )
1240570;1439831376;ascii_field;works
1240571;1439831388;kakobrekla;still a tad buggy tho imma fix
1240572;1439831648;kakobrekla;ah its fine actually.
1240573;1439831718;kakobrekla;anyway, since the switches are only binary i dont actually check for values cause its more work and im lazy
1240574;1439831741;kakobrekla;hence a mention of var is sufficient
1240575;1439831758;kakobrekla;to trigger the kindergarten (and other) modes.
1240576;1439832187;*;jurov tries http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?r=1 .. in vain
1240577;1439832188;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrNMV1 )
1240578;1439832216;ascii_field;http://alg.math.uni-augsburg.de/mitarbeiter/mhien << if you recall, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279 >> is a professor of maths at u of augsburg specializing in number theory. extra lulzy
1240579;1439832217;assbot;Prof. Dr. Marco Hien — Lehrstuhl für Algebra und Zahlentheorie ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrNOfy )
1240580;1439832223;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpDYsu )
1240581;1439832703;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/casualties-air-raids-syrian-market-150816122817738.html
1240582;1439832704;assbot;Hundreds of casualties in air raids on Syrian market - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrOJN5 )
1240583;1439833119;ben_vulpes;lovely pastels thank you kak
1240584;1439833121;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla:
1240585;1439833331;kakobrekla;:)
1240586;1439834491;danielpbarron;https://medium.com/@wilbns/what-i-learned-from-a-two-year-irs-audit-6b02f8bb4f73 >> Consider keeping Dropbox folders on your computer that match up with everything so you can easily reference everything. This way, your most important documents are backed up and ready to share when needed.
1240587;1439834493;assbot;What I Learned From a Two-Year IRS Audit — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1NofGX6 )
1240588;1439835320;jurov;danielpbarron: ?
1240589;1439835437;jurov;you will sooner explain to some people your faith than "why not dropbox"
1240590;1439835532;chetty;well nothing wrong with dropbox for most people, usg and any hacker that wants it already owns it
1240591;1439835549;jurov;i did convert one dude to self-hosted seafile, but otherwise, meh.
1240592;1439835586;trinque;rsync master race
1240593;1439835608;chetty;the mystery is why the irs wants yu to provide documents it already has
1240594;1439835630;trinque;chetty: I've long lamented that they don't just "file your taxes" for you
1240595;1439835630;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1240596;1439835636;ascii_field;chetty: no mystery
1240597;1439835648;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1221552
1240598;1439835648;assbot;Logged on 01-08-2015 22:45:48; mircea_popescu: because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities.
1240599;1439835649;jurov;that's sop for every bureaucracy ever.
1240600;1439835649;trinque;but as ascii_field observed a while back, they do that so you have the opportunity to fuck up before them
1240601;1439835656;ascii_field;^.
1240602;1439835661;shinohai;http://puu.sh/jEEyx/57a3e8dd5a.png
1240603;1439835662;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NojaZO )
1240604;1439835700;ascii_field;'and your exchange rate isn't determined until after confirmation happens' << mega-win
1240605;1439835745;thestringpuller;trinque: says rsync as I'm installing it and conetmplating it for take unrelated to channel
1240606;1439835751;thestringpuller;task*
1240607;1439835768;*;chetty fondly recalls filing taxes on a postcard
1240608;1439835769;trinque;I use cron-job rsync wherever other folks might use dropbox or the like
1240609;1439835779;thestringpuller;isn't that all dropbox is
1240610;1439835782;trinque;yep
1240611;1439835783;thestringpuller;just with fancy gui
1240612;1439835820;jurov;mostly. but rsync won't keep file history
1240613;1439835827;trinque;yeah that's true
1240614;1439835834;jurov;nor it allows for sharing with n00bs
1240615;1439835839;trinque;meh
1240616;1439835844;trinque;I just put files on an http in that case
1240617;1439835853;thestringpuller;"file history" << then slap git ontop of it and call it day?
1240618;1439835862;trinque;in which case you don't need rsync
1240619;1439835870;shinohai;The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/
1240620;1439835871;assbot;The Declaration of Bitcoin's Independence : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NojVSB )
1240621;1439835897;ascii_field;'That we the people have final say on any and all matters that concern bitcoin the protocol and bitcoin the community.' << mega-l0l
1240622;1439835906;ascii_field;!s beoble
1240623;1439835908;assbot;1 results for 'beoble' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beoble
1240624;1439835915;trinque;"try and write a sort of constitution"
1240625;1439835935;shinohai;xD
1240626;1439835941;shinohai;This is rich.
1240627;1439835945;trinque;I got your sort of constitution right here
1240628;1439835950;*;trinque wipes his ass
1240629;1439835968;jurov;maybe it's just buttcoiners trolling. but only maybe
1240630;1439835988;chetty;* trinque wipes his ass// just like a real one
1240631;1439836106;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240527 << lulzy rubbish. let's use ANYTHING but the things known to work! using those WOULD BE WRONG
1240632;1439836106;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:07; assbot: Using ambient sound as a two-factor authentication system | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1gQKrqX )
1240633;1439836108;shinohai;This is the most entertaining Monday on reddit in some time.
1240634;1439836317;punkman;http://mattmahoney.net/dc/zpaq.html  "Many intermediate versions include compression improvements. This does not break forward compatibility because the decompression code is stored in the archive. The code is written in a sandboxed, virtual machine language called ZPAQL."  << reminded me of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
1240635;1439836318;assbot;ZPAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NokFXX )
1240636;1439836320;assbot;Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX )
1240637;1439836350;ascii_field;punkman: why go far? the ubiquitous 'RAR' does something quite like this
1240638;1439836358;ascii_field;(iirc, turing-complete, even!)
1240639;1439836368;punkman;oh it does? didn't know that
1240640;1439836375;ascii_field;the vm part anyway
1240641;1439836414;ascii_field;and like just about all interpreters written by muppets and esp. for shitblowz - at least one known exploit.
1240642;1439836609;danielpbarron;jurov, that thing i linked about taxes and dropbox is by someone in here: wilbns
1240643;1439836611;punkman;well this doesn't inspire confidence http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/558
1240644;1439836612;assbot;oss-sec: Possible vulnerability fixed in ZPAQ v7.02 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoleRz )
1240645;1439836640;danielpbarron;the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
1240646;1439836695;ascii_field;danielpbarron: what did you expect it to be? a magical recipe for escaping the cattle corral ?
1240647;1439836985;nubbins`;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/cu65bfi
1240648;1439836986;assbot;nugyar comments on The Declaration of Bitcoin's Independence ... ( http://bit.ly/1NomgwX )
1240649;1439836987;nubbins`;just saying
1240650;1439837022;nubbins`;wonder who made the header logo, hearn?
1240651;1439837084;ascii_field;prolly a summer intern at noblis
1240652;1439837112;nubbins`;it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
1240653;1439837125;punkman;"That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any  other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the  community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small  group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every  individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute  minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these assets. "  heh
1240654;1439837141;nubbins`;oh, no, sorry. i apologize.
1240655;1439837143;ascii_field;commit rights for all!
1240656;1439837148;nubbins`;it's a PNG with a non-transparent background.
1240657;1439837150;ascii_field;mega-pr0gr3ss
1240658;1439837152;nubbins`;mis lados
1240659;1439837161;punkman;kakobrekla: plz to remove assbot, the people have spoken
1240660;1439837184;nubbins`;Мои стороны!
1240661;1439837216;nubbins`;"we need to make this new subreddit STAT. we literally do not have 3 minutes to make a new header. take the old one and ph0t05h0p it"
1240662;1439837250;nubbins`;if you didn't already realize xt was DOA
1240663;1439837256;nubbins`;that header clinches it
1240664;1439837306;nubbins`;this is akin to the declaration of independence being written in 18pt comic sans
1240665;1439837330;nubbins`;complete with wrapping <blink></blink>
1240666;1439837472;nubbins`;ahhh, the lulz.
1240667;1439837475;*;nubbins` wipes tear
1240668;1439837564;nubbins`;btc <-> xtc forex should open some interesting opportunities
1240669;1439837883;nubbins`;[16:24:31]  <nubbins`> bounce: the idea is you'd create a 10mb transaction sending out xtc to your buyers, in return they push small tx sending you same amount in btc
1240670;1439837896;nubbins`;^ any troo beeleevers wanna take me up on it?
1240671;1439837906;nubbins`;fair trade if xtc is the future.
1240672;1439838997;jurov;nubbins`: i think the derps will try to spam btc to make people switch to xtc,
1240673;1439839008;jurov;thus mightily enabling the trade
1240674;1439839036;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1240675;1439839039;shinohai;Careful, they might spend all the 0.05 BTC they hold per person.
1240676;1439839060;ascii_field;learn to love the spam. how else is the paid relay thing supposed to happen.
1240677;1439839219;mircea_popescu;hola
1240678;1439839279;mircea_popescu;ascii_field as to the later, no reason. as to the former, no idea. i suffer from the disease of all cerebral beings, of enjoying the consideration of abstract problems in no direct relation to their practical utility.
1240679;1439839300;ascii_field;then aha.
1240680;1439839323;ascii_field;next we do the alcubierre stardrive !
1240681;1439839397;williamdunne;jurov: They've been doing so for a while
1240682;1439839411;jurov;not atm
1240683;1439839412;williamdunne;What we need is an exchange that will enable margin trading of btc/gbtc
1240684;1439839461;williamdunne;Sorry, I meant they've been doing it previously
1240685;1439839463;mircea_popescu;incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork".
1240686;1439839463;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 09:12:53; mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.
1240687;1439839484;*;jurov runs to snatch bitcoinica sources
1240688;1439839534;mircea_popescu;that wordpress for  bitcoin "businesses".
1240689;1439839548;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: imho the algo as written here is disastrously bad
1240690;1439839565;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: enemy can ratchet block mass without continuously spending
1240691;1439839573;ascii_field;so it is an 'amplification' situation
1240692;1439839574;mircea_popescu;my position being very much like ascii_field's : not clear this is needed and dubious it's a good idea before the two get hanged. but op may disagree ? i dunno.
1240693;1439839580;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how ?
1240694;1439839586;ascii_field;because ratchets up
1240695;1439839596;mircea_popescu;but you understand HOW it ratches up yes ?
1240696;1439839598;ascii_field;aha
1240697;1439839608;mircea_popescu;if "enemy" holds a significant portion of the last 1% of blocks mined, how is he the enemy.
1240698;1439839625;ascii_field;but the fact of the ratcheting means that $largeint (which enemy can print) can be used to shoot the storage difficulty (let's call block size this!) to the sky
1240699;1439839627;ascii_field;where it will stay
1240700;1439839629;williamdunne;;;later tell pete_dushenski would you mind telling me which posts? Sorry I've not been keeping on top of scoop so much. Tryna find someone who can put up some money to get my time-sink launched
1240701;1439839629;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1240702;1439839639;ascii_field;same problem as a hypothetical monotonically growing mining difficulty.
1240703;1439839646;mircea_popescu;no it can't. every 10kb costs 2096*25 btc atm
1240704;1439839646;ascii_field;which we discussed here.
1240705;1439839648;mircea_popescu;50k btc.
1240706;1439839674;ascii_field;aha but he only has to fill the blocks to the brim for a finite timespan, to result in forever heavier max size
1240707;1439839680;ascii_field;which COSTS me even if not filled
1240708;1439839689;ascii_field;because now i can't use 1MB antifuse roms, etc.
1240709;1439839695;mircea_popescu;well, it only costs you if not filled onlyt if tyou biutcoinfs
1240710;1439839705;mircea_popescu;otherwise it costs you like the first blk0001 cost you 500gb
1240711;1439839705;jurov;i had an idea based on fees/volume (increase only when that ratio gets outrageous) but first waiting to see what actually happens
1240712;1439839739;ascii_field;but overall i just don't see this future where mega-blocks are a necessary thing
1240713;1439839752;ascii_field;all the world's bullion transfers, if written out as a log, would they even fill 1MB in a year?
1240714;1439839753;mircea_popescu;it IS technically possible we still see technological progress.
1240715;1439839755;ascii_field;much less 10min
1240716;1439839760;mircea_popescu;yes, actually, they would.
1240717;1439839773;mircea_popescu;do you imagine this bullion thing as it "Should be" or do you have direct experience ?
1240718;1439839780;*;ascii_field not qualified to answer!
1240719;1439839782;ascii_field;hence asked others.
1240720;1439839788;mircea_popescu;because one hour i spent in the ro vault, which is a tiny affair, saw three transfers underway.
1240721;1439839857;ascii_field;can we 'fermi method' ?
1240722;1439839864;mircea_popescu;i would guess there's to the tune of 1mn interbank PM physical transfers a year worldwide. i don't think i'm qualified to answer either, but i will swear to your benefit the real figuree's closer to 1mn than 1k no prob.
1240723;1439839873;ascii_field;how many such vaults on planet 3? how many unique users? how often transact?
1240724;1439839886;mircea_popescu;> 1k vaults and > 100 users.
1240725;1439839904;ascii_field;hence user id ('address') is less than 7 bits !
1240726;1439839923;mircea_popescu;sometimes they sell and sometimes they buy on mkt tho. with delivery.
1240727;1439839925;ascii_field;qty (grams) - perhaps 32
1240728;1439839942;mircea_popescu;nah, qty is eight or so types of standard bars.
1240729;1439839944;mircea_popescu;nobody weighs.
1240730;1439839950;ascii_field;then 3 bit.
1240731;1439839961;mircea_popescu;no, 8 * word.
1240732;1439839991;ascii_field;ah if tx is arbitrary knapsacking of n bar types, then yes
1240733;1439839999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00073262 = 60.8807 BTC [-]
1240734;1439840003;mircea_popescu;the paperwork has to be, anyway.
1240735;1439840027;williamdunne;0.0007 wao
1240736;1439840029;ascii_field;and of course i was thinking only of transactions where physical motion of bars takes place
1240737;1439840030;ascii_field;(settlement)
1240738;1439840037;mircea_popescu;right.
1240739;1439840053;mircea_popescu;it's not called settlement, it's called delivery. settlement is sitting down and agreeing the paperwork.
1240740;1439840110;*;ascii_field thought it was called 'settlement' when two hawaladars or equiv. zero out their tally by finally moving the gold (plutonium, etc)
1240741;1439840154;mircea_popescu;irl, settlement's a paperwoirk affair and actual delivery is much disconsidered. as a token of the fact that everyone involved would muchly want reality to match their representation to the degree of absolute identity. so they desconsider the later.
1240742;1439840163;mircea_popescu;delivery and washing dishes are in about the same esteem.
1240743;1439840185;ascii_field;mega-unsurprise
1240744;1439840191;mircea_popescu;"stupid things stupid people tend to be preoccupied with".
1240745;1439840214;mircea_popescu;"they're not smart, like us, to let their cognitive wings spread free in the intergalactic voids of abstraction"
1240746;1439840218;mircea_popescu;racist shit like that.
1240747;1439840237;ascii_field;until deliverocalypse like stalin's 'spain will see the gold like it will see own ears without mirror' or usg's equiv. for de, etc.
1240748;1439840253;mircea_popescu;iirc that was ro's gold. whence did spain even have an ygold.
1240749;1439840258;ascii_field;republic
1240750;1439840265;mircea_popescu;yea... ?
1240751;1439840281;ascii_field;!s moscow gold
1240752;1439840281;assbot;0 results for 'moscow gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moscow+gold
1240753;1439840285;ascii_field;;;google moscow gold
1240754;1439840285;gribble;Moscow gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold>; Stalin and the Spanish Civil War - Gutenberg-e Home: <http://www.gutenberg-e.org/kod01/frames/fkod16.html>; The story of the Moscow gold: How the Spanish war was lost: <http://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/08kq1c>
1240755;1439840287;mircea_popescu;o ic.
1240756;1439840305;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1240757;1439840312;mircea_popescu;no wonder the regime lived ok for a while lol.
1240758;1439840313;ascii_field;http://www.forbes.com/sites/briandomitrovic/2011/05/09/there-be-moscow-gold << american piece re: same
1240759;1439840314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuaIaz )
1240760;1439840323;mircea_popescu;how much was this supposed to be ?
1240761;1439840327;ascii_field;'Stalin had his eye on the Spanish gold because Spain had a mother lode of it. This was owing to the fact that twenty years prior, Spain had been neutral in World War I. During that war, Spain exported so much to the belligerents, without being able to buy in return, that it stacked up foreign exchange and turned it in for gold. The same thing had happened across the neutral nations, from Argentina to Holland to the
1240762;1439840327;ascii_field;United States.'
1240763;1439840352;mircea_popescu;aha. the argentines well squandered it meanwhile.
1240764;1439840364;mircea_popescu;that explains it anyway, spain's got no gold in the ground.
1240765;1439840503;mircea_popescu;but to get back to the ratchet thing : it is both impossible and a very stupid idea to have freefixing for bitcoin block size. because the network is trivial to disrupt when it comes to mining difficulty (by design and deliberately), it will guaranteedly be moved down to 0 over time and the defense's necessarily too expensive.
1240766;1439840520;mircea_popescu;having a freefloating system is in fact breaking a fundamental design promise bitcoin made when it introduced mining,
1240767;1439840526;mircea_popescu;and is the exact equivalent of shitting in the plate.
1240768;1439840546;ascii_field;freefixing ?
1240769;1439840553;mircea_popescu;so a ratchet is necessarily, and indisputably, and by unfixable design the only way to do that.
1240770;1439840557;mircea_popescu;as in, goes up or down.
1240771;1439840596;mircea_popescu;this given, the design proposed is a) expensive to abuse and b) self-limiting, in that the larger you make the blocks, the more you have to fill.
1240772;1439840608;mircea_popescu;and by fill we mean a very strict "fill".
1240773;1439840680;ascii_field;what the hell is wrong with 1MB-until-heat-death-of-universe ?
1240774;1439840726;ascii_field;not like you could maintain a single blockchain over astronomical distances, either
1240775;1439840739;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing that point, i already conceded i have nfi.
1240776;1439840746;ascii_field;l0l
1240777;1439840765;ascii_field;but it brings interesting gedankenexperiment: picture the usual mars colony
1240778;1439840778;mircea_popescu;yes each planet must have its own local bitcoin necessarily.
1240779;1439840783;mircea_popescu;because of c.
1240780;1439840842;mircea_popescu;and yes it makes the future worth seeing now. /me hopes to oneday trade marscoin for venuscoin.
1240781;1439840871;mircea_popescu;!up
1240782;1439840887;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1240783;1439840935;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#124048  << the best argument i can come up with, after some searching, is "we will need to find a real value. we have a current value, which works, but about which we know for a fact is not too large. therefore, it might be the case it's too small."
1240784;1439840935;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2013 12:53:47; assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.04643 = 0.0929 BTC [-] 
1240785;1439840942;mircea_popescu;this is a purely theoretical notion.
1240786;1439841142;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240685 < again down to some arbitrary number ?
1240787;1439841142;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 19:24:23; mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork".
1240788;1439841189;ascii_field;kakobrekla: see thread. it was a monotonic-grow ratchet thing
1240789;1439841248;mircea_popescu;the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more.
1240790;1439841279;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the reason i consider ratcheting (and, ergo, growing at all) blocks to be a situation of 'enemy can deal more damage than he has to pay for' is that even if people pay per kB, ~actual machines are pots of finite depth~
1240791;1439841298;ascii_field;which means, he can spend $fixint and now ~no pogo is guaranteed to work~
1240792;1439841298;mircea_popescu;i can certainly see the argument in this structural sense.
1240793;1439841313;mircea_popescu;just... whence will they scare up enough txn to keep filling up thousdands of large blocks ?
1240794;1439841324;kakobrekla;so the load Atlas has to carry will be determined by miners instead of code.
1240795;1439841334;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no, by code evaluating the mining.
1240796;1439841357;mircea_popescu;ascii_field let us calculate the actual case of the pogo, shall we ? as an exercise, mostl;y for my own edification.
1240797;1439841375;ascii_field;aha?
1240798;1439841381;kakobrekla;yes i understand this is a play on diff algo.
1240799;1439841397;mircea_popescu;let's start with some assumptions : that as is, pogos can survive for 2 years before they fill. that if blocks were to be made 2mb, they'd survive 1 year instead.
1240800;1439841406;mircea_popescu;whoops... takes more than two years to make it 2mb anyway. problem solved.
1240801;1439841408;mircea_popescu;what else ?
1240802;1439841409;ascii_field;not how it works
1240803;1439841420;ascii_field;it is already close to the edge of keeps-up-in-realtime
1240804;1439841426;ascii_field;contains 1 cpu core
1240805;1439841433;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla in that sense iot's a step above the "magic number" stuff. not much, admittedly.
1240806;1439841434;ascii_field;so no parallelization (which we don't even have yet) helps
1240807;1439841471;mircea_popescu;ascii_field looky : blocks would only stay full if needed full. so our pogo is a piece of shit in that case, you can't expect them to accomodate us.
1240808;1439841473;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1240809;1439841484;ascii_field;nah but they don't need to stay full
1240810;1439841490;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1240811;1439841505;ascii_field;because the anus stretches, so to speak
1240812;1439841512;mircea_popescu;the max anus stretches.
1240813;1439841531;mircea_popescu;if you end up with 2k actually full bloicks and the state is now 1010000 bytes, you still can have blocks 50kb
1240814;1439841537;ascii_field;if it becomes possible to have blocks that selectively disable, e.g., pogo, enemy has a useful new capability.
1240815;1439841540;mircea_popescu;and your pogo will catch up.
1240816;1439841551;mircea_popescu;well if, but i don't see it so far. build a scenario.
1240817;1439841552;ascii_field;but they fall behind ~en masse~
1240818;1439841556;ascii_field;which is exploitable
1240819;1439841567;mircea_popescu;...
1240820;1439841576;mircea_popescu;looky, a fixed cpu situation will always yield this problem
1240821;1439841591;mircea_popescu;this, we signed up for when we decided "buried box".
1240822;1439841593;ascii_field;not if the capacity exceeds any legal block's weight.
1240823;1439841603;ascii_field;hence why buried box is a-ok today.
1240824;1439841605;mircea_popescu;williamdunne here plox.
1240825;1439841619;williamdunne;mmk
1240826;1439841621;williamdunne;Do you have any advice you would be willing to share on raising small amounts of money for bitcoin projects, that doesn't come from VCs?
1240827;1439841629;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i suppose it doesn't JUST pose problems for bitcoinfs.
1240828;1439841651;jurov;williamdunne: advertise them here?
1240829;1439841666;ascii_field;aha
1240830;1439841675;mircea_popescu;williamdunne write something about puppies make a post on social media with links to your "campaign" ? offer things on bitcointalk ? convince me to list on mpex ? i dunno dood, you're too vague to be helped yet.
1240831;1439841740;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: step 1) create small side project that takes user funds, step 2) advertise on bitcointalk, step 3) steal monies for actual project?
1240832;1439841760;mircea_popescu;ascii_field still, i tell you i don't see it. if the bitcoin userbase legitimately makes > 1mb of txn every 10 minutes, and if the miners are willing to indulge them and mine to the degree the ratchet kicks in, seems at best disingenuous to say "you can't do that because pogos".
1240833;1439841769;mircea_popescu;the whole pogo thing was a few k's. this thing is k's of btc
1240834;1439841778;ascii_field;it is but one example.
1240835;1439841790;mircea_popescu;williamdunne uh. mno ? what IS the project, that's where it starts.
1240836;1439841828;trinque;williamdunne: write it up, and rewrite for a damned long time.. or if it's code prototype it so you aren't just selling handjobs and smiles
1240837;1439841831;jurov;williamdunne: you remember indiancandy? "but i want money!!!!"
1240838;1439841831;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: basic problem is that the beneficiaries of bigger-block are not paying for the cost of cannot-have-buried-node
1240839;1439841835;mircea_popescu;generally it's "the proof i am smart enough to have small projects is i nthe pudding of how i have enough money laying around to invest in them". it's how people get redecoration done and their hobbies financed.
1240840;1439841855;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: hence it is fundamentally a socialistatron
1240841;1439841856;mircea_popescu;ascii_field of course they are ? they're after all teh bitcoin users.
1240842;1439841878;nubbins`;pogoplug node operators 2 years from now: http://i.imgur.com/qc9Tok1.jpg
1240843;1439841878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MudBbn )
1240844;1439841880;williamdunne;An exchange, as per previous mentions. Unfortunately though it will have KYC so mabbeh less interesting for people on #b-a, ofc that's for ya'll to decide
1240845;1439841885;williamdunne;jurov: Did she ever return
1240846;1439841912;mircea_popescu;williamdunne so call up nsa, tell them "hey, i'm another derpy kid trying to suck of your tit, send me 10k ?"
1240847;1439841916;ascii_field;williamdunne: if i want to send money to usg, i can send it straight to usg
1240848;1439841924;mircea_popescu;they'll refuse, and in that you'll know what the demand for more kyc bitcoin "Exchanges" is.
1240849;1439841946;mircea_popescu;they're currently at a loss keeping all the ones they already have fed.
1240850;1439841956;jurov;;;seen indiancandy
1240851;1439841956;gribble;indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <indiancandy> find nickserver
1240852;1439841962;nubbins`;heh.
1240853;1439841970;nubbins`;who's this nick guy anyway.
1240854;1439841975;trinque;;;seen indiancandy1
1240855;1439841975;gribble;indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> erm
1240856;1439841983;trinque;chick can't keep it together
1240857;1439841991;trinque;;;seen indiancandy2
1240858;1439841992;gribble;I have not seen indiancandy2.
1240859;1439841993;trinque;lol
1240860;1439842001;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061
1240861;1439842002;assbot;The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eyf7mo )
1240862;1439842009;jurov;williamdunne: where you got the idea another KYC exchange will make any profit?
1240863;1439842018;nubbins`;<3
1240864;1439842049;williamdunne;jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
1240865;1439842061;jurov;such as?
1240866;1439842069;punkman;and why work on it before you have your own funding or someone else's
1240867;1439842078;mircea_popescu;women also miss tits on their shoulderblades. it impedes proper tango, but it might have good reasons behind it.
1240868;1439842093;mircea_popescu;punkman he's young, gotta work or something or go nuts.
1240869;1439842099;jurov;punkman: that's actually the only way
1240870;1439842114;trinque;if it's software wtf do you need funding for?
1240871;1439842122;trinque;office chairs and lattes?
1240872;1439842128;mircea_popescu;an exchange is software now ?
1240873;1439842150;jurov;lol let him talk about the missing tits
1240874;1439842166;williamdunne;punkman: Had funding, one of the other companies they invested in when tits up and so they decided to withdraw support from all financial services companies they invested in. 10/10. My fault for not securing a deal where that wouldn't happen
1240875;1439842170;mircea_popescu;nah, i'm sure that's valuable ip.
1240876;1439842184;trinque;mircea_popescu: figured he could write his trade engine thing and then demo that, but sure, it's probably the smallest part
1240877;1439842191;mircea_popescu;williamdunne don't be too hard on self. it's unlikley they'd have signed for actual deal.
1240878;1439842199;trinque;but if he doesn't have the money to provide for the financial aspects, kinda leads to "why bother"
1240879;1439842220;mircea_popescu;trinque there's tons of people who coudl demo a trade engine. including a bunch of people actually in the business, providing all the fx doods etc.
1240880;1439842242;mircea_popescu;heck, someone came to 1st conference to demo an engine.
1240881;1439842247;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: We'd already spent a bunch of their money. It's left them with no equity so slightly stranger
1240882;1439842256;williamdunne;trinque: Engine isn't too complicated, that'd be pointless
1240883;1439842263;mircea_popescu;williamdunne 80% of deals work out exactly like that irl.
1240884;1439842287;mircea_popescu;you get some backup, they die out, end up with some money invested in you written off.
1240885;1439842303;mircea_popescu;(if you're an engineer trying to solve an engineering problem of some kind, i mean)
1240886;1439842306;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240864 << ~= >> 'there is an existing market that is missing a few areas, such as anal-rape-with-hedgehog, even within the section that is willing to undergo anal-rape-with-cactus'
1240887;1439842306;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 20:07:29; williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
1240888;1439842320;williamdunne;Well at least I'm not in a lonely club.
1240889;1439842334;williamdunne;ascii_field: Why would you assume that the difference is in the KYC methods used?
1240890;1439842349;mircea_popescu;he has an inflammatory reaction to particular three letter strings.
1240891;1439842350;trinque;williamdunne: my point was simply that "I could X as long as I find a rich guy that wants to help" isn't much of a strategy, much less so if you can't demonstrate upon meeting said rich guy that you can execute
1240892;1439842353;mircea_popescu;!up relaxedman
1240893;1439842355;jurov;the rape can be KYC-unrelated
1240894;1439842357;punkman;williamdunne: well tell us what it is then
1240895;1439842367;mike_c;mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet.
1240896;1439842382;mircea_popescu;yeah
1240897;1439842433;williamdunne;punkman: Primarily targeting margin in non-USD, and larger bucket of currencies to trade in
1240898;1439842443;mircea_popescu;oh come the fuck on.
1240899;1439842471;mircea_popescu;"i have an idea for a us tv network - primarily targetting spanish daytime soaps and more languages programming".
1240900;1439842472;ascii_field;mike_c: i very much see the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever'
1240901;1439842479;ascii_field;*spend-fixint
1240902;1439842481;mircea_popescu;the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo.
1240903;1439842495;ascii_field;being-able-to-accept-bigger-block COSTS ME
1240904;1439842499;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you understand this is exactly life ?
1240905;1439842510;ascii_field;?
1240906;1439842512;mircea_popescu;like, your gf can suck your cock to stick you with her offspring * forever ?
1240907;1439842523;ascii_field;and we want to reimplement this ?
1240908;1439842531;mircea_popescu;it was very fucking successful irl.
1240909;1439842533;trinque;life's doing pretty well, on balance
1240910;1439842535;trinque;lol
1240911;1439842535;mircea_popescu;more successful than the pyramids.
1240912;1439842567;relaxedman;Still trying to get this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all the guides want me to change profiles. also not sure how wayland fits in any ideas?
1240913;1439842572;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might think that a fair number of the people I spoke to disagreed.
1240914;1439842590;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat' then sure. if trying to accomplish something more interesting? not so much
1240915;1439842608;mircea_popescu;williamdunne any of them senior regulators / senior officials / anything other than people you met at a conference that hadn't got there on a first class ticket they bought and with two personal cocksuckers and a chef ?
1240916;1439842624;nubbins`;relaxedman a window what?
1240917;1439842633;punkman;relaxedman: you know, there are linux channels/forums for such questions
1240918;1439842637;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dun have any objective whatsoever here. i am merely surveying a field.
1240919;1439842648;mircea_popescu;btcdrak ya it was i nthe logs.
1240920;1439842667;btcdrak;oh I am still voiced
1240921;1439842690;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Mostly the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything
1240922;1439842692;mircea_popescu;you only need to revoice if you dc.
1240923;1439842711;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was trying to illustrate how allowing anyone to make the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability'
1240924;1439842714;mircea_popescu;williamdunne your main enemy is this crowd of people who agree and encourage to make friends. they can be very damaging.
1240925;1439842720;mircea_popescu;so take stuff with a grain of salt.
1240926;1439842734;relaxedman;nubbins`: like gnome or xfce. punkman yea I know. using the foundations guide and it stops before I can get anything installed.
1240927;1439842742;nubbins`;whoosh
1240928;1439842748;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1240929;1439842751;williamdunne;Ofc.. but none of them were looking to make friends afaik. There was one person from #b-a interested but that's from a different angle
1240930;1439842751;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly true. the proposal is that as restrained, it would not be harmful.
1240931;1439842762;williamdunne;Initially they were all pretty hostile
1240932;1439842778;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you tried pitching at one of the incubators you got there ?
1240933;1439842786;mircea_popescu;must be at least a dozen in london by now, i lost count.
1240934;1439842807;williamdunne;Probably more. It was at one of the incubators we got our last investor.. sour taste in my mouth
1240935;1439842807;nubbins`;williamdunne understand this is like "i have a new business idea: an e-business!" in 1992
1240936;1439842823;mircea_popescu;one is no sort of sample.
1240937;1439842832;mircea_popescu;you either go to ALL or you're not a man.
1240938;1439842841;mircea_popescu;then write a blogpost to defray your mental costs with it.
1240939;1439842875;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the other thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for the future
1240940;1439842884;mircea_popescu;so you can, yes.
1240941;1439842887;ascii_field;removing this is a COST and is inflicted on node operators for no benefit to them.
1240942;1439842898;ascii_field;ergo socialistatron.
1240943;1439842907;mircea_popescu;mno, iot' a cost inflicted on the network, at a possible benefit to it
1240944;1439842909;ascii_field;where 'gimme value' 'why' 'because fuckyou'
1240945;1439842912;mircea_popescu;which all we have trouble quantifying.
1240946;1439842921;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
1240947;1439842957;mircea_popescu;you understand how science is done yes williamdunne ? you form a theory to test. you go test it. systematically. you either come to a conclusion which precludes further testing, FOR REASONS, or you keep on going.
1240948;1439842961;punkman;williamdunne: you could probably drive around europe pitching to 100 different incubators
1240949;1439842967;punkman;bang some sluts along the way
1240950;1439842968;mircea_popescu;intellectual discipline is not an academic ideal. it's a way of life.
1240951;1439842975;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i'm still in search of this gedankenbenefit that outweights 'you can't pour nodes into concrete any more, ever'
1240952;1439842992;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "you can have more paying txn". you ever kept shop, ascii_field ?
1240953;1439842993;nubbins`;i don't think that banging sluts is a thing that someone who is driving around europe going to /incubators/ is doing
1240954;1439843008;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why not mix incubation with incubation!
1240955;1439843016;ascii_field;why not morepaying-transactions instead ?
1240956;1439843028;nubbins`;because before you know it he's taking another look at the intubators
1240957;1439843029;nubbins`;!
1240958;1439843036;mircea_popescu;the reason i ask if you kept shop, ascii_field, is the following :
1240959;1439843052;mircea_popescu;if you have a shop, which is your own, which holds a merchandise, which is your own, which is in demand, which is not your own,
1240960;1439843066;mircea_popescu;you run into the following (purely saccounting, and thus purely psychogenic) problem :
1240961;1439843082;mircea_popescu;if i sell at 10, i will sell 10, and make a profit of 100, and the remainder 90 will be worth 9k.
1240962;1439843100;mircea_popescu;if i sell at 20, will sell 1, and make a profit of 20, and the remaindert will be worth 20k.
1240963;1439843112;mircea_popescu;this is nonsense and a broken way to do business.
1240964;1439843121;ascii_field;because 'worth' aha
1240965;1439843124;mircea_popescu;right ?
1240966;1439843130;ascii_field;aha, that is where the bug is
1240967;1439843135;mircea_popescu;the sword of "socialistatron" cuts many ways.
1240968;1439843175;*;ascii_field might be thick, isn't certain how this theorem applies here
1240969;1439843192;mircea_popescu;obviously making larger blocks has a cost, yes.
1240970;1439843224;mircea_popescu;but it is certainly possible, and byu some analyses likely, that your option is either a) you sell 1 mb at 1 per byte, or else b) you sell 1.3 mb at 1.1 per byte.
1240971;1439843229;mircea_popescu;this, economically, is not nonsense.
1240972;1439843259;mircea_popescu;because of the network effects it can in point of fact be the case that each byte in the 1.3 thing is worth more than in the 1.0 thing.
1240973;1439843269;ascii_field;my contention was that just having this creates a demolition button for the whole shebang.
1240974;1439843277;mircea_popescu;this is the balance of the sane part of the "increase block size" side.
1240975;1439843283;mircea_popescu;it MIGHT. obviously.
1240976;1439843300;nubbins`;just as likely it'll push smallies out of the picture
1240977;1439843301;mircea_popescu;and the sum total of what i said is, of all the approaches considered i've seen, none includes a fucking cap over that button.
1240978;1439843309;mircea_popescu;like a bit of plastic to prevent falling cows from pushing it
1240979;1439843331;ascii_field;what is a byte in a demolished (perma-usgized) blockchain worth ?
1240980;1439843345;mircea_popescu;this is a meaningless question. it can no longer be valued.
1240981;1439843348;ascii_field;aha.
1240982;1439843368;mircea_popescu;you will note howevere, that while any particular political organisation may be opposed,
1240983;1439843369;ascii_field;ergo a blockchain without the button is inescapably worth more than one with
1240984;1439843371;mircea_popescu;politics per se may not.
1240985;1439843384;mircea_popescu;i am not persuaded by that proposition.
1240986;1439843397;nubbins`;a few people stand around a sack on the ground, figuring out what to do with it. one fatso says "i want to put so many things inside that only i can carry it around!"
1240987;1439843402;mircea_popescu;if this were the case, trains without an emergency brake would be worth more than trains with.
1240988;1439843412;mircea_popescu;they are not, and i can't stand the us trend of taking out the brake in question.
1240989;1439843413;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: trains without bomb are worth more
1240990;1439843420;ascii_field;(unless selling bombs)
1240991;1439843439;mircea_popescu;if your train goes through "brain worm" alien land, you want the bomb.
1240992;1439843445;mircea_popescu;it's not so clear cut, my dear alfie.
1240993;1439843451;ascii_field;sure
1240994;1439843498;ascii_field;thing is, i don't get the whole concept of having any sympathy whatsoever for 'needs moar room' when 100% of everyone making this argument is either usg shill or their useful idiots
1240995;1439843514;jurov;btw, if pouring pogos to concrete, any hard drive you'll use will wear down in few years
1240996;1439843525;ascii_field;jurov: not antifuse!
1240997;1439843529;mircea_popescu;i don't either. was not discussing the present day politics of it at all. merely, the principle of the matter.
1240998;1439843562;jurov;there's gigabyte antifuse prom?
1240999;1439843568;mircea_popescu;not afaik.
1241000;1439843574;ascii_field;jurov: not afaik. but nothing prevents it from being constructed
1241001;1439843582;mircea_popescu;but sure, could be. just like there could be useful cpu that's passive cooled. sometime.
1241002;1439843583;ascii_field;if mircea_popescu wants one, can have
1241003;1439843594;mircea_popescu;"sea water!"
1241004;1439843619;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'zoolag' is passively cooled
1241005;1439843630;mircea_popescu;incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
1241006;1439843638;mircea_popescu;ascii_field is it also buried ?
1241007;1439843648;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no, room temp
1241008;1439843657;trinque;I apologize for interrupting, but just for posterity: the gentoo guide and my script were not so people could like, you know, be cool without having to learn anything. my script for example *IS MEANT TO BE READ AND EDITED*
1241009;1439843660;mircea_popescu;yousee wqhat i mean.
1241010;1439843662;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. << The do it on cable, call it Univision.
1241011;1439843663;ascii_field;though would work fine if buried ~4 metres
1241012;1439843666;ascii_field;where i live
1241013;1439843676;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah. not stellar sales iethe.r
1241014;1439843677;ascii_field;would need fins
1241015;1439843687;nubbins`;trinque consider it posteriorized?
1241016;1439843698;trinque;nubbins`: wassat
1241017;1439843713;mircea_popescu;when you put it on a juicy derriere
1241018;1439843718;trinque;lol
1241019;1439843730;trinque;sorry I ever linked the thing, christ
1241020;1439843740;*;danielpbarron is stuck at the "burn a dvd" step
1241021;1439843749;trinque;shinohai: not @ you ftr
1241022;1439843756;mircea_popescu;trinque lol chillax man.
1241023;1439843781;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241005 << please elaborate ?
1241024;1439843781;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
1241025;1439843791;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240520 << why own it when you could, like, talk about it.
1241026;1439843791;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58; thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
1241027;1439843794;shinohai;trinque: no worries, I had to edit it to get it to run xD
1241028;1439843811;trinque;look at how it's written; that was intentional
1241029;1439843831;trinque;you're supposed to open the thing and say oh, I want to change the make.conf/lilo.conf/whatever
1241030;1439843837;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for instance : blocks come from the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented, the thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of them for mempool.
1241031;1439843852;ascii_field;this yes
1241032;1439843857;mircea_popescu;ianae, but i think the lemon could be squeezed by an actual expert.
1241033;1439843867;shinohai;well, most people will just blindly execute scripts they download from teh interwebz
1241034;1439843878;ascii_field;BUT you still gotta verify that it is the same!
1241035;1439843881;mircea_popescu;hash.
1241036;1439843885;ascii_field;as the one previously checked in mempool
1241037;1439843888;mircea_popescu;aha.
1241038;1439843888;ascii_field;and this costs cycles.
1241039;1439843894;mircea_popescu;not as many tho
1241040;1439843894;ascii_field;and ram
1241041;1439843897;mircea_popescu;yes.
1241042;1439843898;ascii_field;gotta store'em
1241043;1439843922;ascii_field;using hash where it was not used before also creates incentive to collide
1241044;1439843925;mircea_popescu;but once we get a sane allocator for pool, like discussed here, you can add the hash.
1241045;1439843933;mircea_popescu;sure.
1241046;1439843944;mircea_popescu;mayhap add salt in config file.
1241047;1439843958;mircea_popescu;anyway, i am not prepared to defend this technically. i just have a manager's eye is all.
1241048;1439843965;ascii_field;not a wholly bad idea imho
1241049;1439843970;thestringpuller;make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thestringpuller/real_bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/host-gcc-initial-4.9.2/build/gcc'
1241050;1439843973;thestringpuller;make[1]: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
1241051;1439843984;thestringpuller;^^^ ascii_field you ever get something like this
1241052;1439843985;ascii_field;but the overall theme of thread from my pov was 'just because you can't quantify a cost worth shit, doesn't make it zero'
1241053;1439843995;mircea_popescu;no argument there.
1241054;1439843996;ascii_field;thestringpuller: gotta post whole log !
1241055;1439843998;thestringpuller;(when running rotor.sh)
1241056;1439844008;thestringpuller;what part?
1241057;1439844009;ascii_field;this is not a usable dump
1241058;1439844011;ascii_field;all of it!
1241059;1439844015;thestringpuller;it's long
1241060;1439844018;thestringpuller;but okay
1241061;1439844019;mircea_popescu;dpaste yo
1241062;1439844054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ?
1241063;1439844054;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:21; shinohai: Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
1241064;1439844090;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240541 << ahaha epic. "why roll dice when you can go pvp!"
1241065;1439844090;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 16:13:57; thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that
1241066;1439844187;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240560 << bwahahah so cute
1241067;1439844187;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 17:07:38; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015&bots=true#1240240 < i added 'kindergarten' mode for him
1241068;1439844251;thestringpuller;dpaste is really not liking this
1241069;1439844253;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.
1241070;1439844311;shinohai;Somewhere today I saw it written "There is no killer app for bitcoin yet" ... why does bitcoin need an app?
1241071;1439844325;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240586 << and just in case any criminals want to submit the same documents, they can have access too!
1241072;1439844325;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 18:01:31; danielpbarron: https://medium.com/@wilbns/what-i-learned-from-a-two-year-irs-audit-6b02f8bb4f73 >> Consider keeping Dropbox folders on your computer that match up with everything so you can easily reference everything. This way, your most important documents are backed up and ready to share when needed.
1241073;1439844337;mircea_popescu;shinohai the writer's head does.
1241074;1439844340;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241062 << one of the things i know with great certainty, but cannot formally prove, is that 'fuzzy' passwords are a crock of shit
1241075;1439844340;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 20:40:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ?
1241076;1439844361;ascii_field;which is to say, either it is so 'fuzzy' that bruteforce is trivial, or it is narrow enough to make it non-repeatable
1241077;1439844370;thestringpuller;ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3TMZ0FZ << that's a third of it do you need more?
1241078;1439844372;ascii_field;(you will ~never~ get exactly same waveform into the microphone, etc)
1241079;1439844376;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how about "natura non facit saltus" ?
1241080;1439844387;mircea_popescu;the fact that life exists on earth is, to me, proof that "fuzzy passwords" are a crock.
1241081;1439844397;ascii_field;tell it to electron!
1241082;1439844399;mircea_popescu;life exists exactly because they aren't passwords.
1241083;1439844405;ascii_field;non facit saltus my arse
1241084;1439844422;mircea_popescu;and the fact that life exists continually proves they're really very bad passwords.
1241085;1439844463;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "natura" in there is "the immediately observable", not the subatomic. there's a reason cardano rng uses electrons not whores moaning.
1241086;1439844605;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1241087;1439844608;ascii_field;there is this whole fiction called 'n-factor authentication' (various values of n, typically 2)
1241088;1439844622;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1241089;1439844622;BingoBoingo;In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
1241090;1439844634;mircea_popescu;gl to you BingoBoingo !
1241091;1439844755;ascii_field;thestringpuller: looks like an oomkill to me
1241092;1439844758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240619 << they are both uninteresting and late. the actual thing is old, and at http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
1241093;1439844758;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 18:24:30; shinohai: The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/
1241094;1439844759;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrsUr )
1241095;1439844764;ascii_field;thestringpuller: what were you building ~on~ ?
1241096;1439844765;mircea_popescu;need to creative more, these creative types.
1241097;1439844770;mircea_popescu;not to even talk of the revolutionary.
1241098;1439844846;shinohai;mircea_popescu: I was thinking about the declaration when I saw that.
1241099;1439844872;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240639 << yeah. a fascinatiuon with this is why every single file on any of the scene participants in the original warez flourish were .rar
1241100;1439844872;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 18:32:48; punkman: oh it does? didn't know that
1241101;1439844873;trinque;hey, btw. if someone cnames deeds.bitcoin-assets.com to deedbot.org I'll make that link in the declaration work again.
1241102;1439844891;thestringpuller;ascii_field: building on AWS should I increase memory footprint size?
1241103;1439844893;mircea_popescu;it never found any utility, whcih is why you've not heard of either except in the way one hears of the once great hittite empire
1241104;1439844902;ascii_field;thestringpuller: try building on a computer ..?
1241105;1439844948;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240645 <<< probably because it is.
1241106;1439844948;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 18:37:20; danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
1241107;1439844986;mircea_popescu;given that the alternative is "raise an army", and given that "iof you raise an army, might as well sell the captured women into slavery and cultivate poppies", people who don't particularly like the sight of moaning, chained women and heroin addicts have little choice.
1241108;1439844994;trinque;kakobrekla: pls to cname deeds.bitcoin-assets.org to deedbot.org ?
1241109;1439845006;mircea_popescu;word.
1241110;1439845032;wilbns;Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer: https://medium.com/@wilbns/ethereum-nuclear-research-and-avoiding-decentralized-cancer-abf8b69f1c9d
1241111;1439845033;assbot;Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrOu8 )
1241112;1439845041;wilbns;...in the event anyone would like to read.
1241113;1439845059;thestringpuller;ascii_field: i did and it worked. lemme try with more memory
1241114;1439845059;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240652 << yueah they're going for that entire "we're the new doge - a currency for redditards" thing. which... is fine.
1241115;1439845059;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:12; nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
1241116;1439845084;*;mircea_popescu will temporarily suspend his disdain for medium to read this one. lettuce see.
1241117;1439845107;wilbns;haha
1241118;1439845162;BingoBoingo;At least Heroin addicts are, or at least before Narcan were a self cleaning problem.
1241119;1439845190;mircea_popescu;wilbns on what is this einstein reference based, other than "it'd be cool" ?
1241120;1439845220;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they don't drag their lifeless, smelly corpses to a hole and pour anhudrous calcium carbonate on themselves. do they.
1241121;1439845265;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They don't need to other heroin addicts do that for them, until it is the next batches "turn"
1241122;1439845276;mircea_popescu;i dunno
1241123;1439845307;BingoBoingo;Heroin addicts isn't a plural of things. It is a singular system
1241124;1439845310;wilbns;mircea_popescu: it's regarding the idea of a hypothesis, theorem, manifesting it self later on down in the line the form of something else, not necessarily positive
1241125;1439845312;mats;rar is still in use today
1241126;1439845316;mats;by scene
1241127;1439845341;mircea_popescu;wilbns but necessarily large.
1241128;1439845346;mircea_popescu;which i fail to see. anyway.
1241129;1439845355;wilbns;ah, ok
1241130;1439845386;wilbns;didn't write about it, but was thinking about Louis Slotin for example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin - who accidentally irradiated himself when doing nuclear research
1241131;1439845387;assbot;Louis Slotin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1flseR4 )
1241132;1439845392;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/17/us-usa-tax-cybersecurity-idUSKCN0QM1VV20150817
1241133;1439845393;assbot;IRS says cyberattacks more extensive than previously thought| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1flshMO )
1241134;1439845432;trinque;they're going to get plenty of reuse out of that headline
1241135;1439845442;danielpbarron;>> For anyone residing in the United States, Ether tokens, since they have an implied fiat value and can be bought or sold with digital assets, like Bitcoin, fall under IRS 2014-21.
1241136;1439845445;wilbns;thinking about how 15 million in crowdfunding could get irradiated if not careful in determing market fit w/ ethereum
1241137;1439845449;mircea_popescu;wilbns so outright i see the following problem : you discuss ethereum at the maximal outskirts of what its proponents presnet it as. this is not unlike taking a ponzi schemer's "idea" and pretending it would be a central bank, then discussing how "it regulates financial flows". rank nonsense.
1241138;1439845463;shinohai;^
1241139;1439845478;punkman;"status quote" I lol'd
1241140;1439845487;mircea_popescu;might as well take a discussion of "dilution is medicine" and write a sci-fi work about how a universe with this would look like.
1241141;1439845495;mircea_popescu;this sort of thing is exactly what the scammers involved want.
1241142;1439845509;mircea_popescu;"The first dimension of this complexity is that the area of law, in itself, is generally based on legal precedence" << no. it is based on precedent.
1241143;1439845521;wilbns;punkman: thanks, missed that one
1241144;1439845527;mircea_popescu;precedence is when one thing goes above another. precedent is when one thing goes before another. do not mix.
1241145;1439845568;wilbns;mircea_popescu: thanks, i missed that, too
1241146;1439845590;mircea_popescu;you ever read the gpg contracts article on trilema ?
1241147;1439845602;BingoBoingo;If ethereum ever entirely works as promised plan on x86 ring-0 exploits routinely becoming parts of "contracts"
1241148;1439845628;danielpbarron;wilbns, you should also read this one -> http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/
1241149;1439845629;assbot;The death of taxes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1flsHmy )
1241150;1439845641;wilbns;cool, i will - and check out the gpg contracts article
1241151;1439845737;mircea_popescu;you probably should, from this paragraph i notice you'd enjoy it. moreover, here's your "one word" example : http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/
1241152;1439845738;assbot;Our Emperor, deliver us. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1flsTlB )
1241153;1439845764;mircea_popescu;it is the exact example case you wish for your argument, and it's a pity to not reference it (especially because it connotes not-done-homework for they in the actual know as to the topics you discuss re law and precedent etc)
1241154;1439845856;*;mircea_popescu concludes that medium articles with b-a present authors, while not necessarily better, at least provide one the perhaps void feeling of having done something for the future.
1241155;1439845928;wilbns;ah, yes - that's a good link
1241156;1439845966;wilbns;that's what i was thinking
1241157;1439845995;BingoBoingo;<gribble> New rating | rg > -10 > maidak | owes me $10k << from the other WoT's scroll
1241158;1439846047;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241069 < quite limited to light colors so its picking randomly from that color space - i thought i made it so it wont repeat colors, will check.
1241159;1439846047;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 20:44:13; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.
1241160;1439846077;wilbns;re: medium, the reason i use that space is because hopefully something i write will be of some use to somehow who can do something positive with it later - if i just stick it on my blog it then i doubt anyone will ever seen it, barring a contextual keyword phrase match
1241161;1439846084;kakobrekla;right now it picks colors randomly each time, had also a variant of making color from hash of the nick. if that is preferred.
1241162;1439846088;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Gotta remember MP only sees about a third of all colors, but the colors he sees are pink
1241163;1439846092;mircea_popescu;and the problem with the children doing things they don't understand goes way deeper. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ proplly also interesting.
1241164;1439846093;assbot;Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzS1qA )
1241165;1439846102;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hater!
1241166;1439846136;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla actually 6 btes from the nick hash -> color seems ideal to me.
1241167;1439846137;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You said as much when discussing BitBet colors and the gray side and the blue side
1241168;1439846147;wilbns;wow i'm really having a problem typing. i think the word and type something else.
1241169;1439846163;wilbns;somehow, someone
1241170;1439846165;mircea_popescu;i am just differently able colorwise BingoBoingo ! check your privilege!
1241171;1439846184;jurov;kakobrekla: consider using few other bits to color a text slightly, too
1241172;1439846194;BingoBoingo;Hey, I just observate. Now nubbins' is an actual color shitlord.
1241173;1439846195;mircea_popescu;wilbns the plantform choiuce is not a crime, i just am a very hateful soul.
1241174;1439846223;mike_c;williamdunne: whether or not you can find an investor shouldn't be the determining factor of whether or not you start the business.
1241175;1439846231;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, you can just add your link to the scoopbot here.
1241176;1439846244;punkman;mike_c: wut
1241177;1439846245;mike_c;do you have any reasonable plan for beating the umpteen existing exchanges?  or any idea of what their problems are?
1241178;1439846247;mircea_popescu;which, i wager, is 90% of the useful reaction you've received on it anyway
1241179;1439846253;wilbns;mircea_popescu: ok :)
1241180;1439846271;mike_c;of course you can find someone to give you some money.  doesn't mean you should waste your time doing it.
1241181;1439846281;mircea_popescu;mike_c is this in the line of "whether you can find a woman or not shoul;d nopt be the determining factor in whether you start a family" ?
1241182;1439846291;mike_c;yes.
1241183;1439846299;mircea_popescu;isn't it rank nonsense ?
1241184;1439846318;mike_c;no!  just because you can find a woman doesn't mean you should start popping out babies.
1241185;1439846327;mircea_popescu;i did not say THAT
1241186;1439846331;trinque;wat; it was the other way round
1241187;1439846334;mike_c;you're all telling him how to get money when you should be telling him to stop trying.
1241188;1439846339;mike_c;and come up with a better idea.
1241189;1439846349;mircea_popescu;honestly, not really.
1241190;1439846352;*;kakobrekla switched to nick-hash for color 
1241191;1439846354;mike_c;well, you know
1241192;1439846364;kakobrekla;is this ok?
1241193;1439846366;mike_c;not like you're responsible for him.
1241194;1439846366;mircea_popescu;i just told him how to approach a problem correectly is all
1241195;1439846403;kakobrekla;also if you are on TN, stfu.
1241196;1439846403;mike_c;yeah, I just wanted to add the additional advice of - just because you *can* find an investor doesn't mean you should.
1241197;1439846408;mike_c;if your time is worth anything.
1241198;1439846411;mircea_popescu;aha. myeah.
1241199;1439846420;mircea_popescu;i think one needs to be thirty first, honestly.
1241200;1439846443;mircea_popescu;before that makes any sense.
1241201;1439846450;mircea_popescu;twentyyearolds should fuck all available holes.
1241202;1439846467;mike_c;that is probably true.
1241203;1439846474;mircea_popescu;(which also means "a 20yos time is NOT worth anything")
1241204;1439846486;jurov;mike_c it was clear he did not want input on the idea, but only on the investor
1241205;1439846503;jurov;kakobrekla: plz to use perceptually uniform color space instead
1241206;1439846506;jurov;jkjk
1241207;1439846510;mircea_popescu;jurov stop trying to get people to tell you their ideas to steal them then!
1241208;1439846513;kakobrekla;trinque done
1241209;1439846526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38240 @ 0.00075618 = 28.9163 BTC [+]
1241210;1439846530;mike_c;yes, he is misguided.  I didn't mean to criticize the room, just try to offer him an additional viewpoint.
1241211;1439846535;trinque;kakobrekla: thank you sir; I'll change the URL generation on my end to match the previous links
1241212;1439846548;mike_c;kakobrekla:  please change all the colors again, they aren't my favorite.
1241213;1439846557;kakobrekla;:(
1241214;1439846558;mircea_popescu;yeah my yellow sucks
1241215;1439846562;mircea_popescu;i'm, not yeller!
1241216;1439846573;kakobrekla;you are not even yellow.
1241217;1439846576;mike_c;i hatez all the colors
1241218;1439846584;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone know what good paprika is ?
1241219;1439846591;mircea_popescu;the sort that sat and fermented for a while ?
1241220;1439846595;punkman;trinque should make deedbot accept signed colours which assbot will use to colour the logs!
1241221;1439846596;mircea_popescu;like tobacco ?
1241222;1439846602;trinque;kakobrekla: I would like to invest all my doge in your logs hosting shartup
1241223;1439846611;trinque;punkman: pls no bully
1241224;1439846630;jurov;kakobrekla: realy, it's okay, i like ;)
1241225;1439846631;mike_c;kakobrekla: j/k :)  the pastels are beautiful.
1241226;1439846633;shinohai;lol doge wut
1241227;1439846660;mike_c;and actually, looks better now, more contrast.
1241228;1439846664;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah, he has it : nice job.
1241229;1439846670;jurov;riiight, i dream of KYC-enablement all the time
1241230;1439846693;mike_c;somebody gotta get mircea enchroma for xmas
1241231;1439846725;mircea_popescu;what is this ?
1241232;1439846733;mike_c;http://enchroma.com/
1241233;1439846736;assbot;EnChroma | Color For The Color Blind ... ( http://bit.ly/1fluaJu )
1241234;1439846757;mircea_popescu;i'm, not blind i just can't see
1241235;1439846766;shinohai;Does this make me look gaaaaaaaaaay?
1241236;1439846836;mircea_popescu;yes.
1241237;1439846843;mircea_popescu;sorry, someone had to tell you.
1241238;1439846869;shinohai;: D
1241239;1439846882;punkman1;hmm
1241240;1439847024;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1241241;1439847032;jurov;just a check: what colors are peanuts? a) brown b) green c) other color
1241242;1439847040;punkman;I think it'd be easier on the eyes if it only coloured the names
1241243;1439847050;ascii_field;idk about this 'enchroma', but i got the opposite: my 'eizo' lcd panels have a button that selectably simulates two types of colour blindness...
1241244;1439847057;BingoBoingo;jurov: If fried they better be green. If roasted, brown.
1241245;1439847120;jurov;BingoBoingo: what?
1241246;1439847154;jurov;https://m.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3djj8o/colorblind_redditors_shocked_to_learn_that_peanut/ << i was inspired by this
1241247;1439847157;assbot;Colorblind redditors shocked to learn that peanut butter isn't green ... ( http://bit.ly/1fluIPy )
1241248;1439847159;BingoBoingo;jurov: You've never had fried or stewed peanuts as an accompanyment to catfish?
1241249;1439847173;mircea_popescu;i see peanuts green
1241250;1439847183;jurov;BingoBoingo: nope
1241251;1439847199;punkman;mircea_popescu: and pistachios?
1241252;1439847208;mircea_popescu;yep
1241253;1439847222;mircea_popescu;i am colorblind, but it's not exactly the common version.
1241254;1439847235;mircea_popescu;ever since kindergarten ppl thought i'm jus fucking with them
1241255;1439847268;BingoBoingo;jurov: You are missing out. Great "Southern" dish. Pull up the peanut plant before the nuts brown and they cook delicious. Just don't keep well green so it a sort of necessarily local delicacy to places that can grow peanuts.
1241256;1439847735;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://enchroma.com/faq/color-blindness-test
1241257;1439847738;assbot;Color Blindness Test | EnChroma ... ( http://bit.ly/1flvrQA )
1241258;1439847907;*;ascii_field took the test, is pretty sure he hallucinated digits where there were none, but the only output was 'normal'
1241259;1439847933;BingoBoingo;lol https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/420645/1873691
1241260;1439847934;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoJTVX )
1241261;1439847944;trinque;ascii_field: heh, and yet they still tell you to buy the glasses
1241262;1439847955;ascii_field;'enhance colour' !!1111
1241263;1439847961;*;ascii_field cannot comment re: this tool
1241264;1439847969;*;BingoBoingo would not be surprised if alf was the incredibly rate tetrochromat
1241265;1439847987;BingoBoingo;*rare male tetrochromat
1241266;1439848007;ascii_field;devil knows
1241267;1439848043;ascii_field;but i do suffer from sensory strange - e.g., can see flicker at 120hz display, dithering, etc
1241268;1439848050;BingoBoingo;Who truly would without giving Satan you precious SNPs
1241269;1439848076;ascii_field;(and hear far past 22khz)
1241270;1439848095;ascii_field;these 'muscles' are good for very little, sadly.
1241271;1439848096;BingoBoingo;And not a single XT block mined so far
1241272;1439848113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00075618 = 54.8987 BTC [+] {3} 
1241273;1439848154;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> (and hear far past 22khz) << Could be useful for steganography targeted to dogs
1241274;1439848180;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: ever use a heterodyne headphone ?
1241275;1439848189;BingoBoingo;Not to my knowledge
1241276;1439848212;ascii_field;tool for listening beyond normal auditory range
1241277;1439848224;ascii_field;uses beat freq. to bring signal down
1241278;1439848232;ascii_field;rattling keys sounds like church bells, etc.
1241279;1439848245;BingoBoingo;Ah, not in a long time
1241280;1439848269;ascii_field;used to be a common n00b electronics project
1241281;1439848325;ascii_field;http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tetrachromacy.asp << lulzy
1241282;1439848327;assbot;snopes.com: Do Some People Have a 4th Retinal Cone? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoKLKl )
1241283;1439848460;*;BingoBoingo doesn't have the greatest hearing. Pretty sure tuba is too blame.
1241284;1439848715;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241281 < ahah lmao , professor gets told http://dpaste.com/0YH685Y.txt
1241285;1439848715;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 21:52:05; ascii_field: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tetrachromacy.asp << lulzy
1241286;1439848716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoLXgT )
1241287;1439848730;kakobrekla;by 'expert in neuromarketing'
1241288;1439848738;kakobrekla;is that even a word?
1241289;1439848767;wyrdmantis;http://xtnodes.com/ <--- a fucking war starting over?
1241290;1439848768;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
1241291;1439848790;Azelphur;Bitcoin CEO arrested again http://parsherald.com/bitcoin-ceo-arrested-on-250m-fraud-charges/5003/
1241292;1439848792;assbot;Bitcoin CEO Arrested On £250m Fraud Charges - Pars Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoM7Vl )
1241293;1439848847;BingoBoingo;<kakobrekla> by 'expert in neuromarketing' << It's been trendy is USia for about 6 years now. Basically Psychologist who took a couple bsns classes
1241294;1439848851;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1241295;1439848884;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Or the reverse
1241296;1439849093;ascii_field;http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif
1241297;1439849095;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ )
1241298;1439849139;BingoBoingo;^neuromarketing
1241299;1439849143;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein
1241300;1439849162;bitstein;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3h9y5r/mike_owns_a_little_more_than_100_btc_what/ <- lol
1241301;1439849163;assbot;Mike owns a little more than 100 BTC. What incentive do the other Bitcoin Core developers have to improve the system? : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoN4Nl )
1241302;1439849308;punkman;100btc, such stake
1241303;1439849332;jurov;dunno why it evoked imagery of a wallet with public key outside, private key inside of foreskin
1241304;1439849333;kakobrekla;by the way to add to previous 1% increasement debate; http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-2015-07-04-05-13-26.txt , http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-2015-07-04-05-16-41.txt
1241305;1439849334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoNtiO )
1241306;1439849335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoNtiU )
1241307;1439849388;ascii_field;kakobrekla: well he did say 'hardfork'
1241308;1439849394;ascii_field;hence altcoin
1241309;1439849395;jurov;0.5.3 forever
1241310;1439849400;ascii_field;^
1241311;1439849403;BingoBoingo;More Phoronix lols https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nest-Protect-Fail
1241312;1439849405;assbot;I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoNDqA )
1241313;1439849423;kakobrekla;since when do we care for that?
1241314;1439849477;BingoBoingo;Because http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/817852-i-no-longer-have-any-trust-in-the-nest-protect?p=817871#post817871
1241315;1439849479;assbot;I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - Phoronix Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1flyxnX )
1241316;1439849487;BingoBoingo;" This post is Michael Larabel's greatest contribution to Linux. "
1241317;1439849842;mircea_popescu;well the enchroma website test does not work, becausew being "made in the usa" they gotta be all fucktarded and wrap it all in js and whatnot
1241318;1439849845;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1241319;1439849860;mircea_popescu;couldn't just fucking put a bunch of pics up and go "this one is 9 thius one is 5"
1241320;1439849874;ascii_field;i can picture the conversation
1241321;1439849880;ascii_field;with mba 'pointy boss'
1241322;1439849888;ascii_field;'how will we keep folks from lifting this test'
1241323;1439849895;ascii_field;monkey: 'js obfuscator'
1241324;1439849909;ascii_field;boss: -snorts coke-
1241325;1439849958;mircea_popescu;" We thank everybody for sharing their perception as together we will make new findings."
1241326;1439849959;mircea_popescu;herp.
1241327;1439850043;kakobrekla;that womans text is downright insulting.
1241328;1439850047;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif << the best part is the sexually aroused duck lordosis-ing before the animal
1241329;1439850049;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ )
1241330;1439850312;ascii_field;'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ?
1241331;1439850416;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238306 << just these i think. few days back.
1241332;1439850416;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 00:54:18; pete_dushenski: since scoopbot_revived seems to have been asleep at the wheel earlier today : http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/of-trumpets-and-trombones/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/the-user-and-the-rotor/
1241333;1439850416;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1241334;1439850598;pete_dushenski;;;later tell thestringpuller replied :)
1241335;1439850598;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1241336;1439850605;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: scoopbot_revived have a website aggregator?
1241337;1439850626;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller not that i know of
1241338;1439850638;pete_dushenski;that role was previously handled by peterl's website
1241339;1439850649;thestringpuller;just a bot. interesting.
1241340;1439850655;pete_dushenski;but petey when and knocked up his wife and forget to maintain dat shit
1241341;1439850709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except it's not theirs, they prolly lifted it from one of the military texts of the 40s, and if you're a company selling colorizer glasses why the fuck would you want people NOT to "steal" your dumb diagnosios shit
1241342;1439850711;pete_dushenski;used to be bablogs.btcscoop.net or something to that effect
1241343;1439850777;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes knocked up his wife and he still maintains thefoundation
1241344;1439850788;thestringpuller;using kids as excuses
1241345;1439850795;pete_dushenski;not all men are created equal
1241346;1439850814;thestringpuller;i would think not all spouses are crated equal
1241347;1439850908;pete_dushenski;'men' includes 'women', at least it used to
1241348;1439850954;pete_dushenski;by association, obviously
1241349;1439850971;pete_dushenski;back in the days before gender-fair pronouns were all the rage
1241350;1439851193;pete_dushenski;'tevye' now at 329,000 after a few stops and starts
1241351;1439851222;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: yea it was OOM. Added a swap file based on mod6 advice and it's building now.
1241352;1439851277;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ? << Have you ever seen 'Tusk' by Kevin Smith.
1241353;1439851972;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: sounds like human centipede but with walruses...
1241354;1439852000;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Shhhh.... don't spoil it
1241355;1439852018;thestringpuller;i won't
1241356;1439852150;mircea_popescu;"high tech smoke detectors" << imagine my surprise when i discover he was being literal.
1241357;1439852264;BingoBoingo;Seriously. WHat's so complicated about a dot of Ameracium.
1241358;1439852287;pete_dushenski;imagine my surprise when i picked up a new '27 inch' monitor last night at it was 30 inches
1241359;1439852317;mircea_popescu;i had also forgotten how larabel looks like he's 12.
1241360;1439852341;BingoBoingo;Still, this is his biggest contribution to any Unix-liek system evar
1241361;1439852375;*;mircea_popescu remembers the early dasys past dot-com bubble, when people were like, genuinelky trying to get linux to work.
1241362;1439852399;BingoBoingo;CIA ate their soul
1241363;1439852445;jurov;O.o
1241364;1439852487;mircea_popescu;"Our Dozens Of #Linux #Benchmark #Systems Still Burning Around 3000 kWh A Month"
1241365;1439852498;mircea_popescu;;;calc 30000 / 24 / 30 / .45
1241366;1439852498;gribble;92.5925925926
1241367;1439852504;mircea_popescu;that'd be 8 dozens, then ?
1241368;1439852582;BingoBoingo;More "newsalism" lols https://medium.com/@iandemartino/more-on-cointelegraph-by-a-former-writer-b4e1058b37ca?source=tw-909daaf0a58d-1439847078937
1241369;1439852583;assbot;More on CoinTelegraph By a Former Writer — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2NckJ )
1241370;1439852713;mircea_popescu;o hey, check out all the things that matter according to people who don't.
1241371;1439852754;BingoBoingo;Seriously. OH HAI NO QNTRA WITH TRANSPARENT CONTROLLING OWNERSHIP EXISTS. COntinue to Derpograph.
1241372;1439852976;mircea_popescu;going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra
1241373;1439852988;BingoBoingo;But no. Instead apparently a bunch of writers disappointed by Derpograph produced http://coinjournal.net.
1241374;1439852989;assbot;Coinjournal - Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBHbKN )
1241375;1439853034;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra << Depends on the subject they try to tackle, but questions abound.
1241376;1439853080;mircea_popescu;the solution to "We're stupid" is to make .... A NEW COUNTRY!!!!
1241377;1439853091;mircea_popescu;because clearly, the problem of coingraph  or w/e wasn't the idiots manning it.
1241378;1439853102;mircea_popescu;but something else. dark and nefarious, outside of "the people"./
1241379;1439853139;mircea_popescu;who, very far from being unrepentant shitsacks, are really nice and good and everything. just, whenevere they leav to make a new one, SOMEONE keeps bringing some sacked shit and throwing it everywhere.
1241380;1439853140;BingoBoingo;Like a taint. It should be readily visible, but the scrotum is in the way.
1241381;1439853145;mircea_popescu;must be pleasant to be retarded.
1241382;1439853191;BingoBoingo;Not to mention the coinfire people who started a "premium" subscription deal and stopped posting
1241383;1439853227;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240653 << i find it extremely lulzy, just how outright soviet socialist republics this thing ended up.
1241384;1439853227;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:25; punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any  other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the  community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small  group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every  individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute  minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these a
1241385;1439853238;mircea_popescu;really, "owned by all" ? so what, i go in there and edit stuff now ?
1241386;1439853249;mircea_popescu;oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ?
1241387;1439853257;mircea_popescu;herp.
1241388;1439853285;mircea_popescu;that the stupidity discounted as broken a century ago is still the state of the art for these people should concern them.
1241389;1439853303;mircea_popescu;it doesn't, obviously, because i guess it must be really pleasant to be retarded.
1241390;1439853358;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/KevTs/status/626468523930468352 << british vs. russian engineering today. at least in f1. needless to say, the british team is out of business and the russian team, which killed driver jules bianchi in 2014, the first driver to die in the sport since ayrton senna in '94, continues under the 'manor marrusia' brand.
1241391;1439853422;mircea_popescu;that fucking sport is pointless if no driver dies.
1241392;1439853449;mircea_popescu;should be a biannual casualty. the russians did more to make f1 respectable than any english speaker since 1994.
1241393;1439853495;pete_dushenski;the benefits of having 1/10 the budget of the boring ass leaders of the pack
1241394;1439853506;mircea_popescu;and yes, senna was maybe the best driver f1 ever had. top 10 for sure. it is bad that he died, it is WORSE that schumacher couldn't have died if he wanted to.
1241395;1439853528;pete_dushenski;schumacher couldn't even die skiing. he tried.
1241396;1439853548;pete_dushenski;unlike whatsherface, mrs. 'taken'
1241397;1439853583;pete_dushenski;natasha richardson
1241398;1439853622;pete_dushenski;and ya, no death, no glory in motor racing
1241399;1439853636;pete_dushenski;there's no virtue without risk
1241400;1439853766;pete_dushenski;montaigne had a bit about this in his essay 'of cruelty'
1241401;1439853834;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-progre/ << ahh this has been so nicely consecrated in the anal tears of gavin & co.
1241402;1439853835;assbot;The Progre on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBHZPM )
1241403;1439853899;mircea_popescu;"And so it is and so it comes and so he every time succumbs :
1241404;1439853899;mircea_popescu;Half hour after wardrums beat, five minutes after warlike heat,
1241405;1439853899;mircea_popescu;About a subjugated plain, among its desperate copies slain,
1241406;1439853899;mircea_popescu;The Progre stalks with hands on hips while drivel gushes from his lips."
1241407;1439854163;pete_dushenski;"Questuque cruentus, Atque imploranti similis"
1241408;1439854273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00071946 = 48.9952 BTC [-] {5} 
1241409;1439854366;mircea_popescu;lol look who's a vergil fan
1241410;1439854400;mircea_popescu;"Saucius at quadrupes nota intra tecta refugit, successitgue gemens stabulis; questuque cruentus atque imploranti similis, tectum omne replevit."
1241411;1439854580;trinque;damn, I need to start using progre as a slur
1241412;1439854582;trinque;that's great
1241413;1439854640;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Why is scoopbot_revived So slow to IRC while tweeting?
1241414;1439854643;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/
1241415;1439854644;assbot;No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1hk1r9K )
1241416;1439854663;trinque;would've been useful in yesterday's conversation with a female about how no, Hillary getting in (aside from anything she might do) would itself be a glorious step forward
1241417;1439854682;trinque;incidentally I'm moving the fuck back to texas in a couple weeks :D
1241418;1439854691;BingoBoingo;Congrats
1241419;1439854705;BingoBoingo;If I get this jerb I'll be moving back to Little Egypt
1241420;1439854747;trinque;good luck
1241421;1439854793;trinque;I'm going to live among the lovers of capitalism for a while again, and I'll see whether the weather here was actually worth it
1241422;1439854827;pete_dushenski;"Cryptographer and digital currency researcher Nick Szabo, who many believe to be the real identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto, has stated that a rapid block size increase is “a huge security risk” and “a reckless act to be performing on a $4 billion system.” Szabo made the remarks as part of the ongoing debate over the Bitcoin block size, which continues to draw in major players from across the community. As
1241423;1439854827;pete_dushenski; explained by Pete Dushenski, an author at Qntra and Contravex, the Bitcoin blockchain is like a city and the height of its walls is the network’s hashrate."
1241424;1439854837;pete_dushenski;"Ultimately, Szabo, Dushenski, Mircea Popescu and Garzik agree that tampering with the block size will only make the blockchain heavy and insecure. “The biggest challenge ahead isn’t “bringing Bitcoin to the people” or some such nonsense, it’s in maintaining a sufficient number of nodes to relay and verify transactions. This is challenging issue that has yet to be fully addressed,” explained Dushenski."
1241425;1439854862;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: WHere is this?
1241426;1439854890;pete_dushenski;'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.
1241427;1439854937;BingoBoingo;ah
1241428;1439855034;mircea_popescu;nb.
1241429;1439855110;mircea_popescu;incidentally, today's discussion of the 1% ratchet should, if nothing else, serve as a burning icon of how exactly consensus is sought.
1241430;1439855147;pete_dushenski;and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october
1241431;1439855154;BingoBoingo;Wouldn't surprise me in the least Virtual Mining News people could become qntra contributors before the Torpeys and other CoinTelophone people do.
1241432;1439855171;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october << This is what the pros do
1241433;1439855192;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ya, they're not ear-bitingly stupid, which is a non-qntra first
1241434;1439855224;BingoBoingo;Nah there were non stupids earlier. I read this Trilema thing a few times.
1241435;1439855238;mircea_popescu;trinque if nbothing else, autumn's a great time to go tyhere.
1241436;1439855249;trinque;sure is
1241437;1439855251;BingoBoingo;PECAN SEASON!!!
1241438;1439855262;*;mircea_popescu very much liked december texas weather
1241439;1439855307;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ? << how the everloving fuck else !
1241440;1439855309;BingoBoingo;Though if in texas this fall it may make sense for you trinque to sell pecans you find to Chinese Bitcoin miners to build good will and a full wallet
1241441;1439855322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shhh. i was born last night!
1241442;1439855347;trinque;BingoBoingo: haha, perhaps I still suffer under the delusion that Texas has a future
1241443;1439855359;trinque;though the chinese may eat the rest of usistan
1241444;1439855370;mircea_popescu;i agree that texas has a future.
1241445;1439855380;mircea_popescu;tho it'll prolly be part of the mexican cartel federation.
1241446;1439855383;BingoBoingo;Seriously last few years Chicoms have been spiking pecan prices
1241447;1439855415;asciilifeform;aztlan.
1241448;1439855429;asciilifeform;viktor pelevin got there phirst.
1241449;1439855447;mircea_popescu;aha
1241450;1439855458;trinque;mircea_popescu: could be, and if it survives the fight with them, maybe that experience helps it on the path to being an actual country
1241451;1439855465;mircea_popescu;why would it fight ?
1241452;1439855475;trinque;dunno, depends on what the federation's like, I guess
1241453;1439855478;mircea_popescu;aha.
1241454;1439855485;mircea_popescu;it's like very laissez faire and rape-y.
1241455;1439855491;mircea_popescu;nobody ever had a problem wiht that sort of thing.
1241456;1439855505;trinque;haha, that's a point
1241457;1439855538;mircea_popescu;sell oil and dope to california, buy chained 20something yo ohioites in exchange. hard to resist.
1241458;1439855592;asciilifeform;'Instead we have programmers with literally zero financial education or training, fighting over which handful of them is going to decide the fate of the next worldwide financial system.'
1241459;1439855599;asciilifeform;the Beoble have sp0k3n!
1241460;1439855601;*;BingoBoingo thinks Texas would prefer Aztalan to Obola
1241461;1439855610;asciilifeform;( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hcitl/wouldnt_it_be_great_if_the_bitcoin_community )
1241462;1439855611;assbot;Wouldn't it be great if the Bitcoin Community around the world were the source of "consensus" ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgnRTb )
1241463;1439855612;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "thinking they are fighting to [...]"/
1241464;1439855636;mircea_popescu;in fact they're just doing what they've always done : agreeing over their stale beer + pizza that the boss is dumb and the company doubleplusungood.
1241465;1439855679;BingoBoingo;Fuck world wide. Phillipines forfeited its vote. Africa (sorry flufferpony) forfeited its vote. Only Aztlan and Babylon have Voats
1241466;1439855707;mircea_popescu;lol the sad stories of previous usians with pinoy sluts touched you huh
1241467;1439855716;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: possible nuance is that aztlan has no use for the white man. except possibly as sacrifice
1241468;1439855724;mircea_popescu;patently untrue.
1241469;1439855726;asciilifeform;(white fman - sure.)
1241470;1439855731;mircea_popescu;mexicans love sucking white cock.
1241471;1439855746;BingoBoingo;Aztlan loves white people, tis their sole source of income
1241472;1439855747;*;mircea_popescu has seen this first... dick, so to speak.
1241473;1439855769;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager.
1241474;1439855774;asciilifeform;these were, presumably, female, aha
1241475;1439855778;mircea_popescu;"tall and handsome"
1241476;1439855789;asciilifeform;those are not the ones who will be sacrificing the white man.
1241477;1439855806;mircea_popescu;nobody's sacrificing the white man cheer up yo.
1241478;1439855816;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager. << Meztizos want to be the new white race
1241479;1439855827;asciilifeform;but quetzalkoatl has to eat!
1241480;1439855836;asciilifeform;ocelotl has to drink
1241481;1439855840;mircea_popescu;it'll eat a stocky brown man.
1241482;1439855852;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but quetzalkoatl has to eat! << Black man.
1241483;1439855874;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo i think is right, that is who it eats now
1241484;1439855892;mircea_popescu;and cointrary to all the "hic sunt leones" anglo propaganda, the worst arabs are gonna do to you is in all likelyhood ask you to go further in, because you're too fairskinned to be this back in the mosq.
1241485;1439855893;BingoBoingo;WHen those run out, GOv man
1241486;1439855931;mircea_popescu;(also seen with own ears)
1241487;1439855996;asciilifeform;eh, tame urbanite orcs vs raiding parties
1241488;1439855998;asciilifeform;not quite comparable
1241489;1439856014;mircea_popescu;quite comparable.
1241490;1439856029;mircea_popescu;the reason isis is such a problem is that they're not even comparable, but homologuous.
1241491;1439856092;BingoBoingo;Aztalan (modeling on Sinaloa) is not the "Homicide da Union" but a business like any other government.
1241492;1439856110;BingoBoingo;Sure, they want slaves and pubic furs.
1241493;1439856117;mircea_popescu;better than any government. because, again, laissez faire and rape-y. can't argue with that.
1241494;1439856124;BingoBoingo;Well, that
1241495;1439856136;BingoBoingo;But rape-y is more Los-Zetas
1241496;1439856155;shinohai;https://github.com/n1nj4sec/pr0cks    <<< well this shit actually works w/ realbitcoin ^^
1241497;1439856156;assbot;n1nj4sec/pr0cks · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgoPyK )
1241498;1439856157;trinque;most Texans would protest that they'd fit well with Mexico, but I begin to see it
1241499;1439856177;trinque;people tend to protest the things that are most true, anyway
1241500;1439856182;shinohai;kinda unecessary
1241501;1439856184;mircea_popescu;i wonder, incidentally, how, when or if will the us-style feminist conceptualize that her notions of gender identity and female rights imposes a significant cost on the community, and as a result ensures a) its downfal and b) the mass rape of most females and some males dumb enough to have participated, deserved, as spoils of war.
1241502;1439856186;BingoBoingo;Better Mexico than those damned Yanks
1241503;1439856186;asciilifeform;shinohai: it is trivial, why shouldn't it work ?
1241504;1439856199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: posthumously
1241505;1439856206;shinohai;It seems a little too complicated to do what it does.
1241506;1439856208;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1241507;1439856219;shinohai;Why jump through all dem hoops
1241508;1439856220;mircea_popescu;maybe not even then. "socialism was never really tried" etc.
1241509;1439856252;asciilifeform;prolly one of those things that will never entirely disappear for so long as there are 'immunocompromised' decaying civilizations, etc
1241510;1439856258;mircea_popescu;aha.
1241511;1439856365;trinque;mircea_popescu: it does seem to be a sort of suicidality
1241512;1439856379;trinque;many of those types that I've known in Portland clearly hate themselves, and engage in all kinds of self-destructive behavior
1241513;1439856392;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> better than any government << from safe distance. right now, as i understand, they are in what '90s ru called 'initial capital allocation.' which tends to involve some mess - machine-gunning of whole hamlets to prove a point, etc
1241514;1439856431;mircea_popescu;"I've mentioned this countless times but I think it's obvious that true consensus should be coming from the largest, decentralized group in the Bitcoin space: its users around the world." << how the fuck is a bunch of circlejerking derps, who don't even REALISE that google's been feeding them results tailored to their own stupidity for a decade, who think wikipedia is a source of knowledge and whose enjoyment mostly co
1241515;1439856431;mircea_popescu;mes from hanging out with groups of similar retards strictly to farm fake agreement, DECENTRALIZED
1241516;1439856445;mircea_popescu;it is THE MOST centralized thing in both theory and practice. and probably the source of all others.
1241517;1439856467;mircea_popescu;certainly the source of the state in all its broken implementations to date, from nazi socialism and soviet socialism all the way to obama and peron populisms.
1241518;1439856484;mircea_popescu;(the two are so strictly undistinct... omfg. us took 200 years to catch up to post-ww2 argentina)
1241519;1439856486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...how the fuck is a bunch of circlejerking derps, who don't even REALISE << with this here perl script, which emulates the lot of'em with a few pr0xies, how else
1241520;1439856502;mircea_popescu;right.
1241521;1439856526;asciilifeform;farm fake agreement << as pictured in herr chomsky's 'manufacturing consent' etc
1241522;1439856526;mircea_popescu;anyway. no, the "community" is not decentralized now, could not be decentralized in the future.
1241523;1439856531;asciilifeform;(i just like the title)
1241524;1439856535;mircea_popescu;quite like that yes.
1241525;1439856587;thestringpuller;https://gpgtools.org << dunno how I feel about these guys yet but they accept bitcoin
1241526;1439856606;BingoBoingo;When in doubt, burn with fire
1241527;1439856609;mircea_popescu;the notion that the group of redditards is "decentralized" is not unlike the proposition that salem at the time of the witch trials was "good christians".
1241528;1439856638;mircea_popescu;ie, "we the people - goodword of today"
1241529;1439856693;trinque;thestringpuller: I don't see the need to bolt a mac gui to gpg
1241530;1439856701;trinque;actcually makes for more cumbersome use than at the command line
1241531;1439856705;trinque;*actually
1241532;1439856793;thestringpuller;trinque: i installed it to use the command line tools. it's kinda akin to installing xcode to have clang to run a gcc like thing...
1241533;1439856818;thestringpuller;didn't know if they committed to like a mac branch of gpg or something or its just all gui shit
1241534;1439856927;BingoBoingo;When did you get a mac thestringpuller
1241535;1439857232;BingoBoingo;So #OpenBSDPrivilege https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/633433130733555712
1241536;1439857246;BingoBoingo;"@petertoddbtc Why a /dev/ and not a call to the kernel for such matters? @EliteRaspberrie @dchest @zooko"
1241537;1439857352;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1241538;1439857358;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 256.88, vol: 8801.72508523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 254.371, vol: 4521.57078 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 258.45, vol: 9933.81721964 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 265.0, vol: 21.37730152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 257.252976, vol: 11291.98050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 258.6391, vol: 85.6495071 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 257.115059889, vol: 27.43535912 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1241539;1439857370;BingoBoingo;;;more
1241540;1439857371;gribble;average: 257.133544026
1241541;1439857564;gernika;Here's some "decentralization" for you: http://www.backbxt.com/
1241542;1439857565;assbot;BackBXT: Start a full BitcoinXT node by sending bitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgqmF4 )
1241543;1439857609;asciilifeform;1) pseudonode 2) collect idiots' coin 3) ??? 4) profit (tm) (r)
1241544;1439857637;asciilifeform;(for bonus points, pseudonode-on-botnet)
1241545;1439857641;gernika;My first thought yes
1241546;1439857669;asciilifeform;btw there is no reason known to me that the bulk of the supposed 6k nodez could not be the above.
1241547;1439857677;mircea_popescu;idiots SHOULD be relieved of their burden.
1241548;1439857682;asciilifeform;how else.
1241549;1439857686;mircea_popescu;the less they have the better the world.
1241550;1439857751;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hbdwl/the_work_left_undone/ << kinda lukewarm effort, but not bad bit-Coin polymorphic notationz.
1241551;1439857753;assbot;The work left undone : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgqCnq )
1241552;1439857762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd rather the crows ate'em
1241553;1439857773;asciilifeform;not like fat, emboldened sc4mz0rz are good for anything
1241554;1439857775;asciilifeform;(to eat?)
1241555;1439857794;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> not like fat, emboldened sc4mz0rz are good for anything << Butuchyag
1241556;1439857879;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1241557;1439858174;BingoBoingo;Literally worse than children https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/df94660ede2549640bccad73c5bee957.png
1241558;1439858177;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgrcS6 )
1241559;1439858621;BingoBoingo;!up Bjander
1241560;1439859189;BingoBoingo;!up refferedby
1241561;1439859214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00075671 = 21.8689 BTC [+] {4} 
1241562;1439859433;BingoBoingo;(Hashtag)Censored on Reddit https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/424145
1241563;1439859434;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2UViG )
1241564;1439859782;BingoBoingo;Two consecutive days Qntra has been at the top of /v/bitcoin but to be fair this time it took all of 4 upvotes
1241565;1439860199;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wtf is the point of that site.
1241566;1439860207;asciilifeform;all i ever see is that idiot cloudflare banner
1241567;1439860210;BingoBoingo;Thank you Obamacare for giving this self identified Hamgalaxy a CPAP so she doesn't choke on the weight of her chest in her sleep https://archive.is/no0PJ
1241568;1439860211;assbot;Why it's time for radical fat acceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgtEId )
1241569;1439860255;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It trolls Ycombinator's reddit. Otherwise worthless. I derp on it and egg on the controversy with dirty quarentine browser
1241570;1439860336;BingoBoingo;!up kyuupichan
1241571;1439860373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074836 = 24.0972 BTC [-] {3} 
1241572;1439860387;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No reason to bother with the voat cloudflare wall at all if you don't care to afflict the stupid
1241573;1439860745;wilbns;http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/16/achievement-unlocked-4-million-bitcoin-wallets/
1241574;1439860747;assbot;Achievement Unlocked – 4 million bitcoin wallets | Blockchain Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lgu6Gm )
1241575;1439860782;mircea_popescu;"radical fat acceptance" ?
1241576;1439860785;wilbns;^ not true.
1241577;1439860800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00073639 = 15.1328 BTC [-] {4} 
1241578;1439860824;mircea_popescu;could we instead accept 1% more fat each year ?
1241579;1439860849;wilbns;Sorry, was saying "not true" in relation to the link.
1241580;1439860861;wilbns;That number counts users who have multiple wallet identifiers, and also algorithmically created via the API.
1241581;1439860937;wilbns;Also, numbers significantly were inflated in spring of 2014 as a result of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20pvln/blockchaininfo_coming_online_phased_restore/
1241582;1439860939;assbot;Blockchain.info coming online - phased restore : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Wux2 )
1241583;1439860953;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> could we instead accept 1% more fat each year ? << No. It breaks the BritneyChain
1241584;1439860993;mircea_popescu;;;google trei grasulii se leganau pe o pinza de paianjen...
1241585;1439860994;gribble;No matches found.
1241586;1439860997;mircea_popescu;orly
1241587;1439861027;wilbns;It's annoying, because there are some good and kind people who work at Blockchain.info, but there are some "not right" things going on at the top.
1241588;1439861062;mircea_popescu;wilbns i think this is pretty much known, but yeah.
1241589;1439861146;BingoBoingo;wilbns: Blockchain.info went rogue soon after they took investment from the wrong crowd. Irreparible now.
1241590;1439861154;BingoBoingo;Can't even par
1241591;1439861202;wilbns;One time I was asked by Peter Smith to find early charts of PayPal total payments volume to compare to Blockchain Total Payments volume. Was told by Peter Smith that him and Nic Cary were in Silicon Valley meeting with former PayPal executives and venture capitalists (this was before they secured their raise), to whom they were comparing early Blockchain
1241592;1439861202;wilbns;growth rate as being something even more rapid and promising than PayPal total payments volume. It was then that I realized there were instances where people were potentially being mislead that the Blockchain total payments volume was actually Blockchain.info total payments volume.
1241593;1439861261;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3gmn15/mining_for_comedy_gold_in_the_rbitcoin_corpus/ << the bruce fentonfail is pretty good lol
1241594;1439861263;assbot;Mining for comedy gold in the r/bitcoin corpus : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2WSvm )
1241595;1439861289;mircea_popescu;wilbns doh.
1241596;1439861301;mircea_popescu;i do not credit this "nice people working for scammers" theory.
1241597;1439861323;mircea_popescu;no reprieve. nic carey used to be a good guy, he's as scummy as any scumbag now. this is his doing, and not my problem.
1241598;1439861349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00073227 = 8.7872 BTC [-]
1241599;1439861388;BingoBoingo;One time Ryan X Charles before he adopted that name approached my IRL name to set up St Louis Bitcoin meetup and I told him I don't want to meet the sort of people that would live in St Louis an share his kind of interest in Bitcoin.
1241600;1439861540;thestringpuller;LOL
1241601;1439861551;thestringpuller;Ryan X Charles is from MO?
1241602;1439861716;BingoBoingo;He was in a physics phd program at one of the St Louis universities before he went to BitPay. At the time he contacted me I think he was still using a slave name.
1241603;1439861777;thestringpuller;Now he is professor X.
1241604;1439861818;asciilifeform;today i learned that...
1241605;1439861823;asciilifeform;SWAG still exists! http://swag.delphidabbler.com
1241606;1439861824;assbot;SWAG Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2XuRK )
1241607;1439861846;asciilifeform;(nothing at all to do with 'delphi.' mega-classic archive of algo snippets, mainly for borland's turbopascal)
1241608;1439861853;asciilifeform;holy fuck.
1241609;1439861937;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: (nothing at all to do with 'delphi') << this didn't stop me from looking up delphi of the 90's lol
1241610;1439861997;mircea_popescu;nothing ever went away. everything just got drowned.
1241611;1439862001;*;asciilifeform looks for the copy of 'gold bug' virus that some derp threw into swag and claimed as 'universal decompilator'
1241612;1439862034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons even death may die' (tm) (r)
1241613;1439862040;mircea_popescu;aha
1241614;1439862054;*;mircea_popescu feels tempted to rewrite that one too.
1241615;1439862060;asciilifeform;^^^
1241616;1439862062;asciilifeform;do it!11
1241617;1439862076;mircea_popescu;im going to end up the english language's foremost hack.
1241618;1439862079;*;BingoBoingo still has machines somewhere vulnerable to N.vir
1241619;1439862153;asciilifeform;now why didn't this schmuck make the entries linkable
1241620;1439862162;asciilifeform;i mean, wtf.
1241621;1439862170;asciilifeform;gotta 'javascriptate' everything, aha
1241622;1439862177;asciilifeform;ferfuxxake
1241623;1439862364;asciilifeform;http://web.archive.org/web/20110227081730/http://www.bsdg.org/SWAG << better.
1241624;1439862365;assbot;Main SWAG (Sourceware Archive Group) HTML Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Y9CM )
1241625;1439862425;asciilifeform;http://web.archive.org/web/20080704193847/http://www.bsdg.org/SWAG/STRINGS/0096.PAS.html << example
1241626;1439862427;assbot;"RPos in BASM" by EDDY THILLEMAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2YgON )
1241627;1439862663;asciilifeform;http://www.retroarchive.org/swag << proper archive.
1241628;1439862664;assbot;Main SWAG (Sourceware Archive Group) HTML Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1flRjLV )
1241629;1439862771;asciilifeform;http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/MISC/0168.PAS.html << try & write this for modern system (NO WWW IDIOCY) in this many lines.
1241630;1439862772;assbot;"TURBO PONG GAME" by GLENN REIFF ... ( http://bit.ly/1flRsPi )
1241631;1439862897;asciilifeform;http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/MISC/0004.PAS.html << movie player.
1241632;1439862898;assbot;"FLI File player" by SWAG SUPPORT TEAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2YMME )
1241633;1439862898;asciilifeform;(yes)
1241634;1439862936;asciilifeform;these, one might add, are SELF-CONTAINED (with exception of msdos and occasional bios call.) no 'libraries'
1241635;1439863093;asciilifeform;http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/MISC/0209.PAS.html << eliza.
1241636;1439863096;assbot;"TP6-7 example of Eliza" by SWAG SUPPORT TEAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1flRKpr )
1241637;1439863248;asciilifeform;http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/DATATYPE/0026.PAS.html << lulzy derp
1241638;1439863249;assbot;"Encryption Theory" by KANDA'JALEN EIRSIE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Z7Po )
1241639;1439863262;asciilifeform;^ in case anyone thinks idiocy was invented yesterday
1241640;1439863292;phf;being able to write pascal in delphi was like the right of passage for moscows programmer boys. i thought i was the shit with my dozen of delphi programmers until good folk at msu cmc unix room gently explained to me that i'm an idiot, told me to install freebsd and gave a copy of "programming in c language" by podbelsky and fomin. probably one the earliest books i've purchased still on my bookshelf
1241641;1439863310;asciilifeform;delphi happened under winblowz and therefore for me never happened.
1241642;1439863329;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/DATATYPE/0033.PAS.html << lifecoin !
1241643;1439863330;assbot;"Life/Mutation Algorithms" by NICK VERMEULEN ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2ZdGV )
1241644;1439863340;mircea_popescu;aha
1241645;1439863349;asciilifeform;phf: now, turbopascal 7 for msdos - ~happened~ !
1241646;1439863436;phf;ha, i remember we opted to use turbopascal for some programming olympiada and made a terrible mess out of it. basically were expect to come in some place, but we couldn't even finish the program
1241647;1439863455;asciilifeform;bbbut... it even had built-in dictionary of keywords
1241648;1439863461;asciilifeform;what could be easier.
1241649;1439863526;*;asciilifeform to this day considers any programming environment that can't display a full reference to the language on demand, optionally searchable by keyword at current cursor, to be inferior
1241650;1439863584;*;asciilifeform nostalgic from the naivete of the 'encryption' section in 'swag'
1241651;1439863834;imsaguy;hi kids!
1241652;1439863923;BingoBoingo;WHat's up tripeSlash?
1241653;1439863941;imsaguy;nada.  just censoring people and stuff.
1241654;1439864002;imsaguy;How are you?
1241655;1439864081;BingoBoingo;Not bad. Just stuffing cotton towels in social media toilets, taking a shit, and flushing them.
1241656;1439864095;imsaguy;hah
1241657;1439864132;imsaguy;Its amazing the amount of vitriol that is out there amongst people that probably don't even know the real difference between the two forks.
1241658;1439864132;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1241659;1439864141;imsaguy;yes, amazing assbot is amazing.
1241660;1439864141;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1241661;1439864160;imsaguy;;;sell 1 amazing company @ 1 bajillion dollars
1241662;1439864160;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1241663;1439864160;gribble;Error: 'company' is not a valid price input.
1241664;1439864326;trinque;anybody ever use an oldschool tracker for music production?
1241665;1439864331;asciilifeform;me.
1241666;1439864331;trinque;they seem *almost* right
1241667;1439864338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00072019 = 26.575 BTC [-] {4} 
1241668;1439864344;trinque;asciilifeform: neat!
1241669;1439864345;asciilifeform;(though it is debatable whether the output was 'music')
1241670;1439864353;trinque;Renoise is a decent modern equivalent imo
1241671;1439864362;asciilifeform;there is no modern equivalent.
1241672;1439864366;asciilifeform;(to, e.g., 'fasttracker')
1241673;1439864375;trinque;how so?
1241674;1439864400;asciilifeform;for one thing, 'fastracker' didn't crack, didn't need window dragging or tab flipping,
1241675;1439864408;trinque;ah sure, in that sense
1241676;1439864409;asciilifeform;didn't need a heavy multiprocess operating system,
1241677;1439864431;asciilifeform;was more or less superior in every way to the linked example.
1241678;1439864439;asciilifeform;*didn't crash
1241679;1439864441;asciilifeform;ever.
1241680;1439864471;trinque;I've never killed renoise, but anyhow, my actual complaint is that I can't call arbitrary chunks of noise a function and reuse them
1241681;1439864476;trinque;must be a rectangle including all instruments
1241682;1439864482;asciilifeform;http://www.madwizard.org/images/content/el/modplayer/fasttracker2.png
1241683;1439864484;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1flTaAj )
1241684;1439864484;trinque;well fuck you renoise, I want just the drums and bass in this part
1241685;1439864562;BingoBoingo;;;later tell btcdrak you disconnected so actually will have to revoice self when this message is recieved
1241686;1439864563;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1241687;1439864580;asciilifeform;trinque: there are things that could be had today only if you were to recreate the world of yesterday.
1241688;1439864592;asciilifeform;fortunately, this is not difficult. (on your desk, at least.)
1241689;1439864618;trinque;I'm starting to lean towards wanting a programming language for this (yes lisp)
1241690;1439864633;trinque;for example I commonly want to take a lick and move it around a scale some
1241691;1439864641;trinque;for great noodlage
1241692;1439864649;[\\\];kinky
1241693;1439864651;trinque;that's a function with a root note and a scale as arguments
1241694;1439864654;BingoBoingo;The only piece of "music software" I truly liked was "Noteworthy Composer"
1241695;1439864669;trinque;I actually wrote what I describe above in python
1241696;1439864670;trinque;and trashed it all
1241697;1439864689;trinque;because the python was getting in the way of how I wanted to express it in language, of course
1241698;1439864692;trinque;I was utterly ignorant of lisp at the time
1241699;1439864704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0007142 = 9.7488 BTC [-] {3} 
1241700;1439864735;mircea_popescu;here you go asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/that-one-with-the-eons/
1241701;1439864736;assbot;That one with the eons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K30Y6W )
1241702;1439864765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00074028 = 3.0351 BTC [+]
1241703;1439864957;phf;asciilifeform: i know right. none of us used it before, and really were so cocky we durped till last moment. it's my only and very vivid memory of turbopascal
1241704;1439865157;phf;it's probably same year, that i was switched to freebsd, so never actually programmed for dos. i did write a tsr to do a memory dump on a keypress few years later
1241705;1439865323;phf;used it to cheat in games heh (i think there were a dozen of variations of that idea)
1241706;1439865552;mats;http://fortune.com/2015/08/04/facebook-loan-approval-network
1241707;1439865554;assbot;Facebook Snags Patent For Approving Loans Based On Your Social Network - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1flU1AW )
1241708;1439865558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20933 @ 0.00072262 = 15.1266 BTC [-]
1241709;1439865572;mats;>When an individual applies for a loan, the lender examines the credit ratings of members of the individual’s social network who are connected to the individual through authorized nodes. If the average credit rating of these members is at least a minimum credit score, the lender continues to process the loan application. Otherwise, the loan application is
1241710;1439865572;mats;rejected.
1241711;1439865626;mats;A+
1241712;1439865628;wilbns;ah, the grey area of profiling.
1241713;1439865680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00072262 = 3.6254 BTC [-]
1241714;1439865826;scoopbot_revived;That one with the eons. http://trilema.com/2015/that-one-with-the-eons/
1241715;1439865870;mats;nothing can go wrong
1241716;1439866074;wilbns;25 years ago there was no Facebook and a fledgling Internet - many people were still using a BBS or interacting with one another using AOL, CompuServe or Prodigy. A smartphone did not exist. It will be interesting in another 25 years to see the path of where things will go. I wonder if we were teleported there tomorrow if we would recognize it.
1241717;1439866154;wilbns;...and what other things will be derived from social networks.
1241718;1439866237;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!!
1241719;1439866240;asciilifeform;spiffy.
1241720;1439866290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00070927 = 5.7451 BTC [-] {3} 
1241721;1439866299;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241709 << this will be ruthlessly suppresses because it is RACIST
1241722;1439866299;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 02:39:32; mats: >When an individual applies for a loan, the lender examines the credit ratings of members of the individual’s social network who are connected to the individual through authorized nodes. If the average credit rating of these members is at least a minimum credit score, the lender continues to process the loan application. Otherwise, the loan application is
1241723;1439866328;asciilifeform;then again, a back door may be found for it to safely walk through, like google's employment not-iq-really-fuck-you-not-iq tests
1241724;1439866370;mats;if social networks as they exist nao are still a thing i will eat a bullet
1241725;1439866389;asciilifeform;still a thing..?
1241726;1439866399;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241705 << recall 'gametool' and 'gamewizard' ?
1241727;1439866399;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 02:35:23; phf: used it to cheat in games heh (i think there were a dozen of variations of that idea)
1241728;1439866407;mats;'in another 25 years'
1241729;1439866452;wilbns;mats: thinking it is going to be three-dimensional, where you interact w/ your social network wearing some sort of oculus rift-themed devise in an alternate reality. people will choose that over this one. and then many will truly become ambivalent to things that are happening in "real" life
1241730;1439866462;wilbns;device*
1241731;1439866481;asciilifeform;wilbns: v. pelevin had a hilarious sf yarn where people not only did this, but fucked this way
1241732;1439866486;mats;sure, for people that don't need to work to live
1241733;1439866512;asciilifeform;(fucking assigned receptacle/inverse, as case may be, but seeing their idiotbook simulacrum at ~all~ times in the goggles)
1241734;1439866517;wilbns;mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step.
1241735;1439866523;asciilifeform;which were not removable except at great peril.
1241736;1439866538;asciilifeform;mats: 'work' also inside the machine.
1241737;1439866540;trinque;god sounds terrible.
1241738;1439866541;asciilifeform;(as most already do)
1241739;1439866556;trinque;the only thing I do via social media is barf articles at family in the hopes that they read
1241740;1439866579;trinque;specifically, seeing your meatwot at all times on some device...
1241741;1439866586;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/5bb6d7f9bba424cc18b5a09006bd0367.png
1241742;1439866590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1flV9o8 )
1241743;1439866603;mats;i imagine modern civilization will decay too quickly for wilbns universe to materialize
1241744;1439866604;trinque;imagine that's your cousin, and now your brain implant means you have to see that all day
1241745;1439866615;wilbns;asciilifeform: thanks for the tip!
1241746;1439866616;asciilifeform;trinque: nah you see his 'avatar'
1241747;1439866627;asciilifeform;trinque: which is a catgurl or the like.
1241748;1439866643;mats;huk
1241749;1439866677;asciilifeform;the book was, iirc, 'love of the three zuckerbrins'
1241750;1439866686;asciilifeform;but afaik no english ver
1241751;1439866689;asciilifeform;nor ever expect one!
1241752;1439866692;asciilifeform;learn fucking languages.
1241753;1439866738;phf;what was that bad russian scifi dood, who did sort of like a hodgepodge of cyberpunk literature
1241754;1439866741;asciilifeform;him.
1241755;1439866768;asciilifeform;http://pelevin.nov.ru << that one
1241756;1439866770;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1flVjvU )
1241757;1439866771;wilbns;mats: agreed, that is the challenge - what exactly is happening in the status quo. food shortages, never before seen droughts, threat of a credit bubble collapsing, the middle easten on the verge and russia/china moving further away in their relations w/ europe and the us each new day. what is next.
1241758;1439866772;trinque;asciilifeform | trinque: which is a catgurl or the like. << LOL
1241759;1439866795;mats;dollar collapse is whats next
1241760;1439866806;mats;the rest of the world failing around you is the early warning system
1241761;1439866811;phf;asciilifeform: this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_of_Reflections
1241762;1439866812;assbot;Labyrinth of Reflections - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1flVneU )
1241763;1439866822;BingoBoingo;Welcome to the Terror Dome, er... Terra Foam
1241764;1439866845;asciilifeform;phf: entirely other fella, but familiar theme, aha
1241765;1439866890;wilbns;mats: maybe. there was an interesting quote you just made me think of - "a recession is when your neighbor loses his or her job. a depression is when you lose yours"
1241766;1439866931;asciilifeform;^ orlov's 'you will not be told when collapse has happened, only when it has happened to ~you~'
1241767;1439866968;wilbns;ah that's a good quote, so true
1241768;1439866997;asciilifeform;<mats> the rest of the world failing around you is the early warning system << distinguish the natural (drought) from the usg-engineered (just about everything else) failures.
1241769;1439867002;asciilifeform;to the engineers, those aren't failures.
1241770;1439867006;asciilifeform;they are - successes.
1241771;1439867036;phf;asciilifeform: have you read his чапаев и пустота?
1241772;1439867041;asciilifeform;phf: aha!
1241773;1439867050;asciilifeform;there is, iirc, even an english transl somewhere!
1241774;1439867053;BingoBoingo;Last week I read a lot of "California beat the drought" stories based on more people in Compton working at McDonalds
1241775;1439867069;asciilifeform;mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world
1241776;1439867069;mats;welp, i like a game of 'catch the falling knife' as well as anybody
1241777;1439867071;asciilifeform;like post-ww2
1241778;1439867079;BingoBoingo;"But California GDP GREW!!!"
1241779;1439867084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00070376 = 13.7937 BTC [-] {3} 
1241780;1439867090;BingoBoingo;As the state burns
1241781;1439867113;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, gave the english version to my girl to read
1241782;1439867128;mats;i am still unprepared to flee to .cn
1241783;1439867144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15453 @ 0.00070799 = 10.9406 BTC [+]
1241784;1439867150;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world << Corn loves raw manure, but wheat demand you first light the manure and then till it into the field
1241785;1439867153;asciilifeform;phf: girl digested it ?!!!
1241786;1439867165;phf;first thing she asked what's up with russians and schwarzenegger
1241787;1439867170;wilbns;it does seem the dollar is someone in store for a beating, perhaps that is what will stop interest rates from rising or enable more QE to continue
1241788;1439867180;wilbns;somewhat*
1241789;1439867191;wilbns;sheesh i don't know what's up w/ my spelling.
1241790;1439867193;BingoBoingo;<mats> i am still unprepared to flee to .cn << We all have to contemplate destinations other than what we though were Door #1
1241791;1439867218;BingoBoingo;<wilbns> sheesh i don't know what's up w/ my spelling. << I'm drunk. It seriously affects everyone's spelling.
1241792;1439867227;mats;folks the world over are buying USD as their own currencies get devalued by USG mismanagement
1241793;1439867231;wilbns;haha
1241794;1439867236;mats;this is what is presumably stopping interest rates from going up
1241795;1439867246;BingoBoingo;ofc mats
1241796;1439867255;asciilifeform;mats: been there, done that, traded a shoebox full of toiletpaper money (printed on usg-donated presses during collapse!) for $1 usd.
1241797;1439867266;asciilifeform;(as a boy)
1241798;1439867295;mats;i hope my dollars will still be good for renminbi exchange when the time comes
1241799;1439867322;phf;asciilifeform: she enjoyed it, and picked up on some subtleties, in any case more then i expected, but i think it was good enough for first reading
1241800;1439867325;asciilifeform;mats: they're good... now
1241801;1439867335;asciilifeform;mats: buying ticket yet ?
1241802;1439867336;mats;or, you know, the buttcoins, but i dunno whether we'll ever win the war at this rate
1241803;1439867363;BingoBoingo;<mats> or, you know, the buttcoins, but i dunno whether we'll ever win the war at this rate << War was won.
1241804;1439867370;mats;asciilifeform: nope, its at least five years in the distance
1241805;1439867383;asciilifeform;why wait?
1241806;1439867388;asciilifeform;if you're cn-compatible, buy ticket, sail.
1241807;1439867395;asciilifeform;if not - won't be in 5 years, or 55
1241808;1439867411;mats;for all practical purposes i am illiterate and have almost no meatwot there
1241809;1439867416;mats;still need to eat
1241810;1439867437;asciilifeform;mats is originally from cn ?
1241811;1439867443;BingoBoingo;Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.
1241812;1439867443;phf;i gave her "kniga oborotnya" and she concluded that the book was dull and poorly paced, which is something i agree with, probably my least favorite p book
1241813;1439867454;mats;originally from hk
1241814;1439867458;asciilifeform;phf: ditto, also least favourite
1241815;1439867487;asciilifeform;mats: then at least you have the mega-superpower that folks can't tell immediately by face that you couldn't possibly have meatwot
1241816;1439867493;wilbns;it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth
1241817;1439867514;asciilifeform;wilbns: see thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499423
1241818;1439867514;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2014 01:31:58; asciilifeform: ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."
1241819;1439867535;BingoBoingo;Hearn lost so bad "unidentified" turrorist bombed expat Thailand today. Presumably to try to get Goat and scare people with insulfation faith in USG out of defecting.
1241820;1439867549;BingoBoingo;Oh, that was an odd autocorrect
1241821;1439867579;mats;asciilifeform: things haven't degenerated enough in us for me to consider returning
1241822;1439867627;mats;can't do computing work if i can't even read the damned terminals
1241823;1439867635;BingoBoingo;mats: What if your USG designated FEMA number puts your camp in southwest Missouri?
1241824;1439867641;wilbns;these new derivative markets that are forming out of distributed / shared ledger technology could perhaps be the new stage for some form of electronic economy that will exist on a trillion/quadrillion level. the average person may only perceive that kind of scale at the end of the year, when milk costs $10
1241825;1439867657;mats;BingoBoingo: plz break me out, there is a bitcoin reward in it for you
1241826;1439867719;BingoBoingo;mats: First I'll have to know you are in. Second I will have to not be in Chicago fema camp (because FEMA must take us to the places we hate most)
1241827;1439867736;phf;mats: i have a former colleague from a financial firm, who moved to hk recently, he's chinese, but i take it his mandarin is poor and cantonese non-existent. he's working for an english speaking company there and slowly getting his language up to speed. his reasoning for the move was "this boat is leaking"
1241828;1439867762;mats;phf: i have the same plan, but presumably further behind in my career than him
1241829;1439867768;BingoBoingo;mats: What though is stopping you from moving to Aztalan?
1241830;1439867782;mats;BingoBoingo: a state park?
1241831;1439867794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if i had to guess, it's the desire to earn living with terminal rather than kalash
1241832;1439867808;BingoBoingo;;;ud aztalan
1241833;1439867809;gribble;Google found nothing.
1241834;1439867817;BingoBoingo;;;google aztalan
1241835;1439867818;gribble;Aztalan State Park Home - i94.biz: <http://i94.biz/aztalan/aztalan.html>; Aztalan State Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztalan_State_Park>; Aztalan State Park - Wisconsin DNR: <http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/parks/name/aztalan/>
1241836;1439867823;asciilifeform;mno
1241837;1439867824;wilbns;asciilifeform: ah yes, thanks for the link - imagining one day in fact how silly it will be to hold up a $100 bill, or to go to an ATM. perhaps only those in "emerging markets" or "third world countries" will use such types of antiquated technologies and means of exchange.
1241838;1439867826;asciilifeform;aztlan.
1241839;1439867832;asciilifeform;~aztlan~
1241840;1439867838;BingoBoingo;;;google los zeta
1241841;1439867838;gribble;Los Zetas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas>; How 34 commandos created Mexico's most brutal drug cartel ...: <http://www.businessinsider.com/how-34-commandos-created-mexicos-most-brutal-drug-cartel-2015-3>; 13 things to know about Los Zetas, the ruthless Mexican drug cartel ...: <http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/10-things- (1 more message)
1241842;1439867850;wilbns;(note sarcasm regarding ATMs and emerging markets)
1241843;1439867865;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mno << /me been drunk for a while
1241844;1439867894;asciilifeform;http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html << lulzy
1241845;1439867895;assbot;What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Npkhbv )
1241846;1439867933;BingoBoingo;<wilbns> asciilifeform: ah yes, thanks for the link - imagining one day in fact how silly it will be to hold up a $100 bill, or to go to an ATM. perhaps only those in "emerging markets" or "third world countries" will use such types of antiquated technologies and means of exchange. << I personally plan on eventually only every trading in an out of Bitcoin with year's worth of whatever the local bottlecaps happen to be
1241847;1439867937;asciilifeform;;;ud aztlan
1241848;1439867938;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Aztlan | The area (as distinguished above) of Aztlan has been under the rule of invaders; ruthless, war-like, greedy imperial powers, since the Spanish first colonized it.
1241849;1439867939;mats;why would zetas trust a chinese american citizen
1241850;1439867946;phf;mats: he was a junior at the company, so not much of a career. i think the objective is to work for a company that has offices at multiple locations. when i worked for another bank that will remain nameless, the opportunity was always implied from the beginning. in fact a lot of places like that love people with no local attachments, because means easy and cheap relocation.
1241851;1439867954;mats;if for my computing skills... not good enough at pwning arbitrary systems to be useful (yet)
1241852;1439867958;BingoBoingo;mats: Right shade?
1241853;1439867971;mats;if to carry rifle, plenty of mexicans for that task already
1241854;1439867979;BingoBoingo;Not really
1241855;1439868013;wilbns;BingoBoingo: that would be a nice outcome from where we are now, being able to move in and out so easily. hopefully by that point there will also be less volatility to the downside in relation to the bottlecaps.
1241856;1439868041;mats;phf: welp, my eyeballs are peeled for opportunities, am actually looking for interesting work atm
1241857;1439868052;phf;mats: where are you located?
1241858;1439868059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00071589 = 11.8838 BTC [+]
1241859;1439868060;mats;boston
1241860;1439868096;BingoBoingo;wilbns: As far as you need be concerned though I have less than a proper transaction fee in BTC.
1241861;1439868166;*;BingoBoingo also looking for fiat paying work, but only in positions where the only economic consequence of my employment would be occupying an already fungible position
1241862;1439868173;asciilifeform;mats: this probably won't shock you, but it is possible to know how to do 10,001 useful and rare things, and still starve.
1241863;1439868195;mircea_popescu;it is actually common.
1241864;1439868197;asciilifeform;aha.
1241865;1439868201;asciilifeform;sop, even.
1241866;1439868203;mircea_popescu;clueless people haver a lot more sense than to starve.
1241867;1439868204;wilbns;BingoBoingo: roger that
1241868;1439868217;mircea_popescu;(in proper terms : clueless people don't have what to delude themselves with)
1241869;1439868261;asciilifeform;sure they do
1241870;1439868325;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241711 << that shit's so retarded i hope they do it.
1241871;1439868325;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 02:40:26; mats: A+
1241872;1439868329;[\\\];someone say bacon?
1241873;1439868338;asciilifeform;and also fish!
1241874;1439868373;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241726 << the word is dlh!
1241875;1439868373;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 02:53:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241705 << recall 'gametool' and 'gamewizard' ?
1241876;1439868416;mats;imsaguy returns
1241877;1439868440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was it also a spiffy tsr that could be invoked at any time and would look for ~changed bytes~ in ram ?
1241878;1439868446;[\\\];I've b een around, "censoring" people.
1241879;1439868458;mircea_popescu;no, dirty little helper was a lengthy collection of various tidbits.
1241880;1439868467;mircea_popescu;walkthroughs, cheatcodes, etc.
1241881;1439868472;asciilifeform;ah!
1241882;1439868478;asciilifeform;like 'ovdocs'
1241883;1439868486;asciilifeform;^ epic, still worth reading today for the lulz
1241884;1439868513;mircea_popescu;aha.
1241885;1439868547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15995 @ 0.0007173 = 11.4732 BTC [+]
1241886;1439868565;phf;asciilifeform: i didn't get my hands on one of those until early 2000s, hence had to write my own. i vaguely recall a collection of tsr on a hacker tools cd that i bought in a metro perehod :), but at the time i somehow didn't pay enough attention to them
1241887;1439868588;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241775 << the point here being (perhaps unfamiliar to some readers) that wheat is not a sort of plant that survives, except in particular situations : say post volcanic eruption, when everything's been burned down. then the weed makes a quick colonisation, because of its disproportionate seeds.
1241888;1439868588;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 03:04:29; asciilifeform: mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world
1241889;1439868603;mircea_popescu;but then in a few years it's drownerd out by more sanely balanced plants.
1241890;1439868632;mircea_popescu;it should be noted that the civilisation that chose to feed itself on wheat, a plant famous for and a plant whose only strategy is, to overinvest in its progeniture
1241891;1439868637;mircea_popescu;ended up overinvesting in its progeniture.
1241892;1439868642;asciilifeform;was gonna say.
1241893;1439868644;mircea_popescu;pure coincidence, but lulzy.
1241894;1439868644;asciilifeform;max k-strategy
1241895;1439868647;mircea_popescu;aha.
1241896;1439868654;BingoBoingo;Ukrs!!!
1241897;1439868659;mircea_popescu;mno.
1241898;1439868661;BingoBoingo;Kansas!!!
1241899;1439868670;asciilifeform;l-kansas.
1241900;1439868688;phf;asciilifeform: mine worked by doing a core dump on key press, and then you had to do a binary diff on a set of those. i kind of realized that i could put a diff/search algo into the tsr, but that was beyond my algorithm construction abilities at the time
1241901;1439868698;*;asciilifeform always insisted that either kansas ought to be pronounced 'kensaw', or 'arkansas' ought to be r-kansas.
1241902;1439868701;BingoBoingo;d-kansas is refered to as Arkansas in the common tongue, grows rice
1241903;1439868706;asciilifeform;hence kansas is l-kansas.
1241904;1439868716;wilbns;yes, riceland, stuttgart
1241905;1439868724;asciilifeform;d- also worx
1241906;1439868776;BingoBoingo;When alternatives always default to levo and dexo as options over trans and cis for the lulz
1241907;1439868780;wilbns;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riceland_Foods
1241908;1439868781;assbot;Riceland Foods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NplLm4 )
1241909;1439868850;BingoBoingo;But dex-Kensaw civilized. Levo-Kensaw barbarians General Quatrill was more than right to burn
1241910;1439868860;BingoBoingo;*Quantrill
1241911;1439868915;*;BingoBoingo never got more twitter mentions than when trolling after Mizzou beat Kansas in Baseketballs
1241912;1439868956;BingoBoingo;Land that flat, covered in carbohydrates was made to host a great fire for the glory of Kismet
1241913;1439869115;*;BingoBoingo offer that yes, Kismet is supposed to be the white handmaiden of Satan keeping true Africa down, but Whitey is violent to no one else like his is to his fellow white man
1241914;1439869454;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai weren't you going to submit a qntra???
1241915;1439869454;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1241916;1439869695;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Belxjander Pls fix your connection for the love of fuck
1241917;1439869695;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1241918;1439869797;wilbns;it is also challenging the fear of god society and some religious institutions instill in people in the area. originally from arkansas and lived there 22 years, experienced first-hand. was sent to religious camp in branson 7 years in a row. bizarre at times. btw, no offense to anyone in here's religious beliefs, none of my business. just putting forth an
1241919;1439869798;wilbns;observation and personal experience.
1241920;1439869916;BingoBoingo;wilbns: Thing is... While there are a lot of goups in that area which engage in such extreme sectarianism... Some on the girls are hot and the region is vulnerable to conquest by actual people.
1241921;1439869950;BingoBoingo;Also no XT blocks mined yet...
1241922;1439869954;wilbns;hah facepalm
1241923;1439870059;BingoBoingo;wilbns: The big thing is such sectarians are more competitive with other similar factions than they are with any outsider groups.
1241924;1439870081;mircea_popescu;wilbns i think if anyone in here's religious beliefs managed to survive in here for this long they'll be fine.
1241925;1439870423;wilbns;BingoBoingo, yes, noticed that too - until someone from another religion flies a plane into a building.
1241926;1439870429;wilbns;mircea_popescu: ok
1241927;1439870542;BingoBoingo;wilbns: Like Joe Stack?
1241928;1439870565;BingoBoingo;Joe Stack seems under appreciated in Dex-Kensaw
1241929;1439870592;BingoBoingo;Given local political rhetoric
1241930;1439870682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18660 @ 0.00072755 = 13.5761 BTC [+]
1241931;1439870777;BingoBoingo;bried survey of dex-kensaw also suggests many local with farms due to the substantial median size of holding possess "air tractor" which could be loaded with kerosene instead of monsanto for Joe Stack++
1241932;1439870785;BingoBoingo;*brief
1241933;1439870830;BingoBoingo;But perhaps General Quantrill should have burned Little Rock as he did Lawrence Levo-Kensaw
1241934;1439870926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00072755 = 3.2303 BTC [+]
1241935;1439870952;BingoBoingo;Bread Tripe!
1241936;1439871353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00074027 = 6.2923 BTC [+] {2} 
1241937;1439872085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19265 @ 0.00072892 = 14.0426 BTC [-] {3} 
1241938;1439872634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27385 @ 0.00071888 = 19.6865 BTC [-]
1241939;1439872638;mircea_popescu;hey, which anglo nut made a 50 copy edition of his crappy poetry and jacked off on the lot ? was it burroughs ?
1241940;1439872878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00074111 = 20.6029 BTC [+] {3} 
1241941;1439874446;scoopbot_revived;Fierro, or - Argentina, that very comic country. http://trilema.com/2015/fierro-or-argentina-that-very-comic-country/
1241942;1439874806;ag3nt_zer0;nothing quite like curling up with a nice bowl of fresh buttery popcorn, a blankey, and I Am Cait Ep. 3... should be a community event though, like a trip to the traveling wagon freak show - alas, my fellow americans seemed to have lost their ability to be astonished along with their sense of humor... I happily gaze at the four horsethingys (or is it taped?) baphomet myself...
1241943;1439876416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00073753 = 2.6699 BTC [-]
1241944;1439876477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.00073744 = 15.3941 BTC [-]
1241945;1439877069;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241811 << somethinglikethat
1241946;1439877069;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:43; BingoBoingo: Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.
1241947;1439877101;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241810 << in the sense you're originally from ru, i gather.
1241948;1439877101;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:37; asciilifeform: mats is originally from cn ?
1241949;1439877160;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241816 << vice-versa, actually. the online fiat is dead, but its value as irl tokens remains. dollars are useful exactly like monopoly money and casino chips are useful,
1241950;1439877160;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 03:11:33; wilbns: it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth
1241951;1439877165;mircea_popescu;and it's how they'll remain in use.
1241952;1439877392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3604 @ 0.00073753 = 2.6581 BTC [+]
1241953;1439878612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00073044 = 17.2019 BTC [-] {3} 
1241954;1439879344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00072295 = 13.3384 BTC [-] {3} 
1241955;1439880231;mircea_popescu;speaking of btc bidniss, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xhCRGRaPpVY/S7YyJDsOdhI/AAAAAAAABkE/f49XNMLuUno/s1600/milporongas+1+en+b.jpg
1241956;1439880232;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwNjW1 )
1241957;1439881296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23433 @ 0.00071954 = 16.861 BTC [-]
1241958;1439881358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00071569 = 13.2403 BTC [-] {2} 
1241959;1439881967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00070343 = 4.4091 BTC [-] {4} 
1241960;1439882970;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241089 good luck
1241961;1439882970;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 20:50:22; BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
1241962;1439883004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00069854 = 10.3035 BTC [-]
1241963;1439884285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00072009 = 2.8444 BTC [+] {2} 
1241964;1439885139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15709 @ 0.00071166 = 11.1795 BTC [-]
1241965;1439885704;punkman;http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/08/watch-colorblind-man-see-color-for-the-first-time-with-enchroma-glasses
1241966;1439885705;assbot;Watch: Colorblind Man Sees Colors of a Sunset for the First Time | Complex UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2ByVM )
1241967;1439885993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0007278 = 16.5211 BTC [+] {2} 
1241968;1439886177;punkman;http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_28654978/california-plans-taking-farms-massive-water-tunnels
1241969;1439886178;assbot;Records: California plans taking land for huge water tunnels - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2CbyK )
1241970;1439886270;punkman;"Under the plan, landowners  would have 30 days to consider and negotiate a one-time state offer,  while officials simultaneously prepare to take the land by forced sale  if owners declined to sell. "Negotiations to continue in parallel with  eminent domain proceedings," the plan notes."
1241971;1439886395;mircea_popescu;no really alternative to that.
1241972;1439886416;mircea_popescu;"you can either sell it at prevailing market values, or we'll take it at prevailing market values".
1241973;1439886444;punkman;and nobody will use all those spiffy guns they like to polish and fondle
1241974;1439886467;mircea_popescu;you know, opposing eminent domain for stuff like this is a little nutty.
1241975;1439886481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00073619 = 32.466 BTC [+] {4} 
1241976;1439886494;mircea_popescu;what, train's gonna go around old man joe's property forever more because 180 years ago there lived a curmudgeon ?
1241977;1439886558;mircea_popescu;i mean, it's one thing when they were simply stealing property to give to others who they figured "would pay more tax". that's fungible. but this isn't - train gotta go straight.
1241978;1439886589;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241289 <<< numbers going up doesn't mean too much, it's like kids who run away from home in the afternoon but are back by dinner time
1241979;1439886589;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 21:59:27; wyrdmantis: http://xtnodes.com/ <--- a fucking war starting over?
1241980;1439886591;punkman;this is not a train though
1241981;1439886608;chetty;well knowing cali they are probably picking routes thru the best crop land, and offering a penny an acre
1241982;1439886660;punkman;"Say what you will about the internet in 2015 but at least it helped  everyone realize that everything we think and feel is wrong and dumb"  https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/633500936208449536
1241983;1439886690;chetty;or, haha, the routes go thru the 'red' areas on the map
1241984;1439886695;mircea_popescu;punkman water pipe ? how not ?
1241985;1439886817;mircea_popescu;"everyone" is never realising that.
1241986;1439886847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20726 @ 0.00073753 = 15.286 BTC [+]
1241987;1439886892;punkman;so just let them destroy productive farms and dry out the delta, so they can water some piece of desert down south?
1241988;1439886904;mircea_popescu;chetty actually there have been "unjust enrichment" suits against states/townships on stuff like that.
1241989;1439887022;mircea_popescu;punkman that's an entirely different argument tho. i have nfi what they're doing / dun care so much, but anyway. the fiat consensus is and has been, for the past ~800 years, that you can't oppose land ownership to road development.
1241990;1439887292;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk
1241991;1439887292;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 23:41:30; pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.
1241992;1439887293;assbot;Nick Szabo: Block Size Increase a ‘Huge Security Risk’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZi43v )
1241993;1439887631;punkman;mircea_popescu: around here they can and do oppose, but everything is lilliputian-scale compared to California
1241994;1439887833;punkman;http://www.china.org.cn/business/2015-08/18/content_36336463.htm
1241995;1439887835;assbot;Mystery surrounds Tianjin blasts warehouse - China.org.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZj6MJ )
1241996;1439887835;punkman;"According to business registration information, Ruihai's two largest  shareholders are Li Liang and Shu Zheng, who hold 55 percent and 45  percent of the company's shares respectively. But as of Sunday, Li remained missing, while Shu told the media that he  was only a grassroots public servant, and he lent his identity card to a  friend when Ruihai was registered."
1241997;1439887889;punkman;identity loan - my sides
1241998;1439887945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00073262 = 14.2861 BTC [-]
1241999;1439888312;shinohai;hanbot: liked the build notes writeup. Almost made me want to install it on Ubuntu.
1242000;1439888318;shinohai;almost.
1242001;1439888432;mircea_popescu;lol shu got scammed.
1242002;1439888433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36786 @ 0.00073755 = 27.1315 BTC [+] {3} 
1242003;1439888510;mircea_popescu;ahaha that pete pic!
1242004;1439888805;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMd32H5UwAA2eQK.jpg
1242005;1439888806;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZkOOa )
1242006;1439889104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00072871 = 22.7358 BTC [-] {4} 
1242007;1439889238;shinohai;Respite from my fear of dying?
1242008;1439889242;shinohai;Wow.
1242009;1439889256;shinohai;*terror of dying
1242010;1439889262;punkman;you'll get invited to the best parties!
1242011;1439889296;shinohai;Pffft ... #bitcoin-assets *is* the best party
1242012;1439889653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29203 @ 0.00073862 = 21.5699 BTC [+] {6} 
1242013;1439890092;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241741 <<< fuck i hate that guy, has no shame at all
1242014;1439890092;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 02:56:26; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/5bb6d7f9bba424cc18b5a09006bd0367.png
1242015;1439890148;shinohai;#worldelephantday
1242016;1439890263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00072302 = 3.3259 BTC [-]
1242017;1439890370;mircea_popescu;andy w lol
1242018;1439890690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00074045 = 5.6644 BTC [+]
1242019;1439891300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16120 @ 0.00071743 = 11.565 BTC [-] {3} 
1242020;1439892520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00073274 = 16.1936 BTC [+]
1242021;1439893435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00070722 = 9.5475 BTC [-] {3} 
1242022;1439895353;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/08/17/one-brave-woman-so-many-cowardly-racists/
1242023;1439895355;assbot;Meet the woman taking on Reddit's racists ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NSFJ )
1242024;1439895374;shinohai;^ next she should go take on 4chan racists
1242025;1439895509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00069854 = 7.8586 BTC [-]
1242026;1439896027;jurov;and then on #b-a chauvinists :DDDD
1242027;1439896790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00069766 = 10.3951 BTC [-] {3} 
1242028;1439896949;mircea_popescu;"because it sounds like something he might have said."
1242029;1439896963;mircea_popescu;no, it doesn't. it sounds about as much like voltaire as any other bit of usian drivel.
1242030;1439897075;mircea_popescu;maybe they should petition voltaire's sponsors too. until he becomes the "hip", "cool" figure they want him to be or something.
1242031;1439897095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00069598 = 19.6614 BTC [-] {4} 
1242032;1439897187;mircea_popescu;da fuck is wrong with these schmucks, anyway. "herpitty-derp, i wish to push a widely unpopular, nutty agenda. obviously the best way to do this is to ask people interested in selling more to side with me. because logically if those racist white supremacists actually boycott walmart until it puts the lot of us in a concentration camp, walmart totally won't. because hurr."
1242033;1439897189;punkman;"if the spend amount has a lot of trailing zeros, eg, 2.34000000 BTC,  then have change outputs that also have the same amount of trailing  zeros. Otherwise, it's obvious which one is the spend." << anyone can explain this?
1242034;1439897218;mircea_popescu;yeah. "don't spend integer btc"
1242035;1439897274;mircea_popescu;(which is why shithead services like coinbase don't even implement the whole 8 digits. their 2010ish understanding of "de-anonymization technicues."
1242036;1439897286;jurov;punkman where is that from? some idiotic service that reinvented numbers processing again?
1242037;1439897303;punkman;jurov, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6569
1242038;1439897305;assbot;Improve change amount privacy · Issue #6569 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEajS )
1242039;1439897365;jurov;oh i think i get it
1242040;1439897374;punkman;isn't it all in integer satoshis?
1242041;1439897379;punkman;I dun get it
1242042;1439897407;mircea_popescu;dude. if you have a 8.5465466 input and you spend 2.34 out of it, your outputs will look like 2.34000000 anbd 6.116574567
1242043;1439897413;mircea_popescu;making itobvious which is the change.
1242044;1439897416;jurov;if you send payment rounded to N places, the change should be also rounded to N places (and rest to fees, presumably)
1242045;1439897421;mircea_popescu;^
1242046;1439897720;punkman;https://i.imgur.com/7YyVT7J.jpg
1242047;1439897721;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTECPb )
1242048;1439897779;kakobrekla;eh
1242049;1439897786;punkman;http://chrisbalay.com/Jokes/graphics/orabanms.gif
1242050;1439897788;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEK13 )
1242051;1439897794;kakobrekla;its not like you cant split that full int further down yourself.
1242052;1439897816;*;kakobrekla presumes people here do their own ass wiping
1242053;1439897833;punkman;nope
1242054;1439897880;kakobrekla;hammer is retarded only if you hit yourself on the head. must use nails.
1242055;1439897916;punkman;hammer can't be retarded
1242056;1439897954;punkman;there is this of course http://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/uploads/2012/06/6a0120a85dcdae970b017742d249d5970d-800wi.jpg
1242057;1439897954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTF0x7 )
1242058;1439898027;kakobrekla;there you go
1242059;1439898038;punkman;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/46/73/fd/4673fdf9d7821422efbec22771a25c68.jpg
1242060;1439898039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTFaVe )
1242061;1439898039;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1242062;1439898085;kakobrekla;anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?
1242063;1439898181;chetty;isn't a tool something that is used? So its the user that would be retarded, no?
1242064;1439898258;jurov;i think it was meant that way, "someone is using you".. which is something else than "you're retard"
1242065;1439898291;jurov;but hey this is internet, we need no fkn nuances :)
1242066;1439898328;kakobrekla;chetty no matter WHO uses windows ...
1242067;1439898376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16204 @ 0.00069383 = 11.2428 BTC [-]
1242068;1439898394;jurov;you know it's not true
1242069;1439898407;kakobrekla;hm?
1242070;1439898431;jurov;many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer
1242071;1439898447;kakobrekla;not at all what im saying but anyway
1242072;1439898456;kakobrekla;if ascii logs on to win machine, win machine still sucks!
1242073;1439898466;jurov;and what were you saying?
1242074;1439898471;kakobrekla;that.
1242075;1439898545;chetty;haha, I suppose there are tools with no redeeming value
1242076;1439898811;shinohai;https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/18/8chan-back-after-google-banned-entire-domain-for-child-abuse-imagery/
1242077;1439898812;assbot;8chan back after Google ban of domain for child abuse imagery | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTG6sE )
1242078;1439899360;funkenstein_;fight the symptoms, not the disease
1242079;1439899439;funkenstein_;a lot of old cars overheat, they should make a law against temperature sensors which display in the dashboard
1242080;1439899936;funkenstein_;kill the messenger.  new technology, same broken psychology
1242081;1439899962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00071463 = 31.0149 BTC [+] {3} 
1242082;1439900167;funkenstein_;"As -The Virginian- established the cowboy in our literary culture, so did Hernandez' -Martin Fierro- become the archetype of the gaucho, the independent man of the pampas.
1242083;1439900200;funkenstein_;Fiercely individual, distrustful of the corruption of the cities and the law, following his own code of honor, he is in the great tradition of the romantic figure"
1242084;1439900234;funkenstein_;Time to finally crack this thing open :)
1242085;1439902402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00073639 = 29.3083 BTC [+] {3} 
1242086;1439902890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00074025 = 32.608 BTC [+] {4} 
1242087;1439903756;shinohai;http://redd.it/3hde8z
1242088;1439904049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00071912 = 21.4298 BTC [-]
1242089;1439904257;punkman;shinohai: lol'd at the televangelists asking for donations to buy a jet
1242090;1439904409;shinohai;xD
1242091;1439904447;punkman;or that guy saying donate $1000 and god will wipe out your credit card debt
1242092;1439904476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074045 = 9.5518 BTC [+]
1242093;1439904753;shinohai;This drama: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3201418/Jilted-woman-gets-revenge-cheating-boyfriend-setting-crotch-fire-s-sleeping.html
1242094;1439904753;assbot;Jilted woman gets revenge on cheating boyfriend by setting his crotch on fire | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKrFC8 )
1242095;1439904781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00071855 = 8.1203 BTC [-] {3} 
1242096;1439905635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00071502 = 13.5139 BTC [-]
1242097;1439907221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00073296 = 19.7533 BTC [+]
1242098;1439907415;BingoBoingo;https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml
1242099;1439907416;assbot;NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )
1242100;1439907597;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: to the logz! >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239085
1242101;1439907597;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 21:29:04; shinohai: https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml
1242102;1439907606;BingoBoingo;Ah, apologies
1242103;1439907653;shinohai;>.>
1242104;1439907681;shinohai;BingoBoingo: are those bsd instructions of yours still valid ?
1242105;1439907692;BingoBoingo;which ones
1242106;1439907729;BingoBoingo;They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
1242107;1439907732;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hfwa3/how_to_send_email_as_satoshivistomailcom << lulzy
1242108;1439907733;assbot;How to send email as satoshi@vistomail.com : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiObPh )
1242109;1439907737;asciilifeform;(spoiler: doesn't work)
1242110;1439907764;asciilifeform;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981 << also lulzy
1242111;1439907765;assbot;CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )
1242112;1439907900;asciilifeform;'"We feel that our tests might prove to be the catalyst that propels the core devs and miners to implement the required hard fork that is desperately needed," Coinwallet told BitBeat.'
1242113;1439908034;punkman;"The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."
1242114;1439908136;punkman;https://coinwallet.co/en/currencies
1242115;1439908137;assbot;Coinwallet.co - Supported Currencies & Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhtS1G )
1242116;1439908167;punkman;they take 0.5% fee per tx, lel
1242117;1439908255;funkenstein_;So if I hit you, and you don't fall down, that means you aren't very tough.
1242118;1439908296;asciilifeform;nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.
1242119;1439908309;funkenstein_;lol
1242120;1439908319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00073296 = 3.9946 BTC [+]
1242121;1439908653;BingoBoingo;peer dump http://dpaste.com/1JDV6EF.txt
1242122;1439908655;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhvith )
1242123;1439908711;BingoBoingo;Not connected to a single XT node at the moment
1242124;1439908990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00073615 = 7.0302 BTC [+] {2} 
1242125;1439909033;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-42937
1242126;1439909033;assbot;No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiR5n1 )
1242127;1439909420;Naphex;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.
1242128;1439909421;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhwQmU )
1242129;1439909430;Naphex;BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol
1242130;1439909458;BingoBoingo;Naphex: You know the pseudonode thing runs well in an AWS micro
1242131;1439909578;Naphex;BingoBoingo: hehe as if it isn't obvious enough ~240 nodes same time deployment since  17 aug
1242132;1439909590;BingoBoingo;Of course
1242133;1439909619;Naphex;400ms latency
1242134;1439909644;Naphex;what a joke
1242135;1439909683;BingoBoingo;Serioulsy I can't even
1242136;1439909780;BingoBoingo;Might as well start running pseudo nodes over a Nigerian satellite connection
1242137;1439909844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166821 @ 0.00069397 = 115.7688 BTC [-] {7} 
1242138;1439910548;Naphex;well i guess it's time to ip block all XT nodes
1242139;1439910556;Naphex;take that hearn, ha! ;]
1242140;1439910577;BingoBoingo;Or the ones on the AWS ip space
1242141;1439910659;Naphex;BingoBoingo: that's pretty much all of them https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=70010
1242142;1439910660;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiUSkp )
1242143;1439910699;BingoBoingo;Seems rather simple then
1242144;1439911674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00071577 = 3.6884 BTC [+]
1242145;1439912112;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241990 << twas not discussed because i at least was not aware of this.
1242146;1439912112;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 08:41:32; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk
1242147;1439912130;pete_dushenski;'virtual mining news' doesn't look like anything other than a scam, and it turns out it is !
1242148;1439912149;pete_dushenski;well then, tip o' the cap to joseph young, the real author
1242149;1439912286;pete_dushenski;though why the piece of shit cointelegraph wordpress implementation never sent me a pingback, while 'virtual mining' did, is another story
1242150;1439912294;pete_dushenski;yet also the reason for the confusion.
1242151;1439912309;pete_dushenski;oh internet, will i ever understand you ?
1242152;1439912328;pete_dushenski;speaking of which...
1242153;1439912330;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/18/asking-your-friend-to-bang-your-prospective-wife-and-other-silly-ideas/
1242154;1439912332;assbot;Asking your friend to bang your prospective wife, and other silly ideas. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAh2GW )
1242155;1439912352;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne ^ this was posted last night, and scoopbot_revived didn't see it.
1242156;1439912353;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1242157;1439912475;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242003 << someone was quick on their feet. i had this up as a header for maaaybe a few days. really more like a day or two.
1242158;1439912475;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 09:01:50; mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete pic!
1242159;1439912525;pete_dushenski;cazalla: but good work on finding that original article !
1242160;1439912540;pete_dushenski;now i know where the banana troll is from.
1242161;1439912562;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-26731 << said banana
1242162;1439912564;assbot;How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAhvc8 )
1242163;1439912564;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241734 << yeah, employed by people like me to do various tasks in the world of Eulora, because that's what has a future; not "social media"
1242164;1439912564;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 02:55:17; wilbns: mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step.
1242165;1439912619;pete_dushenski;lol i kinda like imagining danielpbarron with an army of click slaves.
1242166;1439912636;pete_dushenski;*mush heathens MUSH*
1242167;1439912640;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: you ever read "Ready Player 1"? Eulora will probably be that.
1242168;1439912787;pete_dushenski;"Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"
1242169;1439912813;pete_dushenski;usgavin is a flash memory developer now !
1242170;1439912869;pete_dushenski;^from comments on ~original~ cointelegraph pete v. ver article
1242171;1439912887;chetty;isnt bigger always better? /kidding
1242172;1439912894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14794 @ 0.00069859 = 10.3349 BTC [-] {3} 
1242173;1439912911;pete_dushenski;chetty: domains, my dear, only in certain domains
1242174;1439913758;punkman;http://mainframesproject.tumblr.com/
1242175;1439913759;assbot;Internet Mainframes Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhhulK )
1242176;1439914119;lobbes;;;later tell asciilifeform regarding lobbesbot; I am going to try 'upgrading' my bot to a more recent fork. According to #supybot, there was a rewrite of the RSS plugin that *should* address that issue of ratcheting back
1242177;1439914119;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1242178;1439914125;punkman;http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4683
1242179;1439914126;assbot;In Realtime: Saving 25,000 Manuals « ASCII by Jason Scott ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAoSjX )
1242180;1439914147;punkman;lobbes, are you using limnoria?
1242181;1439914157;lobbes;nope, still using supybot ;/
1242182;1439914173;lobbes;going to try and move to limnoria, maybe tonight
1242183;1439914480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.00069231 = 44.4809 BTC [-] {3} 
1242184;1439915151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00074045 = 11.1808 BTC [+]
1242185;1439915273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30797 @ 0.00074045 = 22.8036 BTC [+]
1242186;1439915855;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1242187;1439915946;pete_dushenski;let's try out this orderbook dealio
1242188;1439915949;pete_dushenski;;;sell 1 Apple Cinema Display 30" at "450 / {bitstamplast}" BTC. Aluminum (A1083) M9179LL/A, 2560x1600, dual-link DVI, dual-firewire, dual-usb ports, power supply, power cable, mint condition. Buyer pays shipping from Canada.
1242189;1439915949;gribble;Error: 'Cinema' is not a valid price input.
1242190;1439915960;pete_dushenski;mk.
1242191;1439916058;*;pete_dushenski goes to derp with gribble in private
1242192;1439916215;pete_dushenski;https://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=22434
1242193;1439916216;assbot;#bitcoin-otc order id 22434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfghEn )
1242194;1439916283;pete_dushenski;'tevye' now at 343,600
1242195;1439916538;pete_dushenski;"if you call the library's IOServiceOpen function with an invalid owningTask parameter, a kernel-level IOUserClient will be passed a NULL pointer for the calling task. This pointer makes its way through more of the OS and is used to locate a variable in memory where a bit is set. By controlling the page of memory at address zero, an attacker can direct where these bits are set, and thus manipulate the kernel's m
1242196;1439916538;pete_dushenski;emory, and eventually seize control of execution with full kernel-level privileges." << affecting mac osx 10.9 and 10.10
1242197;1439916615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00073255 = 8.3511 BTC [-]
1242198;1439916812;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/us/politics/courts-free-speech-expansion-has-far-reaching-consequences.html
1242199;1439916815;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0YODY )
1242200;1439916920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16608 @ 0.00074045 = 12.2974 BTC [+] {2} 
1242201;1439917530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8261 @ 0.00074188 = 6.1287 BTC [+]
1242202;1439917557;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/aug/14/china-deserted-amusement-parks-stefano-cerio << china in the "off season"
1242203;1439917558;assbot;China's deserted amusement parks – in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1E10361 )
1242204;1439918675;punkman;http://www.economist.com/news/china/21661053-new-study-suggests-air-pollution-even-worse-thought-mapping-invisible-scourge
1242205;1439918676;assbot;Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0KUjV )
1242206;1439918695;punkman;loltitle
1242207;1439918705;btcdrak;30day backlog "stress test" on the way http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981
1242208;1439918707;assbot;CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )
1242209;1439918716;pete_dushenski;btcdrak: tis in the logs
1242210;1439918733;pete_dushenski;punkman: lulz. also : perri-air !
1242211;1439918739;punkman;assbot should reply "ooooooold" when that happens
1242212;1439918753;pete_dushenski;!s perri-air
1242213;1439918755;assbot;2 results for 'perri-air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perri-air
1242214;1439918814;punkman;pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyrFWbGiGOc
1242215;1439918815;assbot;"Share The Air" Presentation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0LspT )
1242216;1439918880;pete_dushenski;jesus christ on a cross that girl is, what, 15 going on 5
1242217;1439918912;kakobrekla;stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.
1242218;1439918932;pete_dushenski;"like, like, negative energy, like, like, scribble doodle, like, like, air."
1242219;1439918984;pete_dushenski;testnut.
1242220;1439918993;punkman;girl's an actress, she was pretty good if you ask me
1242221;1439919030;pete_dushenski;pretty good at what ?
1242222;1439919040;punkman;at the acting
1242223;1439919043;pete_dushenski;girl's a comedian !
1242224;1439919166;kakobrekla;anyway, from 'coinwallet's behavior we can conclude that tx fees are waaaaay to low on 'main'net.
1242225;1439919183;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1242226;1439919188;ascii_field;kakobrekla: no shit!
1242227;1439919207;pete_dushenski;how many users at coinwallet ? 100 ?
1242228;1439919211;ascii_field;then again, ~threatening~ to spam is... free
1242229;1439919312;trinque;bwahaha I just went on a tirade in #gentoo-hardened about "30-day backlog"
1242230;1439919312;kakobrekla;really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.
1242231;1439919319;*;trinque finishes his coffee
1242232;1439919371;ascii_field;kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more
1242233;1439919423;chetty;<ascii_field> kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more// isnt that the same thing?
1242234;1439919457;trinque;I thought it was a nuclear blimp
1242235;1439919508;ascii_field;dirigible, damnit
1242236;1439919517;trinque;haha my mistake
1242237;1439919706;punkman;https://scalingbitcoin.org/montreal2015/
1242238;1439919707;assbot;Scaling Bitcoin Workshop ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0P5Mw )
1242239;1439919909;pete_dushenski;!s robert tilton
1242240;1439919910;assbot;0 results for 'robert tilton' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+tilton
1242241;1439919945;pete_dushenski;robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.
1242242;1439919977;pete_dushenski;of course, this was just oliver doing "research" but still lulzy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
1242243;1439919978;assbot;Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Televangelists (HBO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0QiU9 )
1242244;1439920153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073172 = 8.3782 BTC [-]
1242245;1439921434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20839 @ 0.00073172 = 15.2483 BTC [-]
1242246;1439921541;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CUnwl3QnjA
1242247;1439921542;assbot;Chinese Man Live feat. Tumi - Get Up (Live Content) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0XK1x )
1242248;1439921582;punkman;get up, get out, you lazy lout // get into your working clothes // up to your knees in oil and grease // and a grindstone to your nose
1242249;1439921623;punkman;(and the original http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Lazy_Lout.htm )
1242250;1439921626;assbot;Folk & Traditional Song Lyrics - Lazy Lout ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0Y1S5 )
1242251;1439921739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47460 @ 0.00073188 = 34.735 BTC [+] {3} 
1242252;1439921823;mircea_popescu;in the spirit of punkmans', http://33.media.tumblr.com/88a6aa4de7e4fdb7df6b8679ec5768de/tumblr_nbwyl50pxz1tas0xfo1_400.gif
1242253;1439921824;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0YTWR )
1242254;1439922044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00073278 = 10.7719 BTC [+]
1242255;1439922331;mircea_popescu;lmao all the fucktarded jokes. "who makes the byline of a crypto book start with the workd unlocking?" "o'reilly executives"
1242256;1439922349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3394 @ 0.00072396 = 2.4571 BTC [-]
1242257;1439922350;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1242258;1439922379;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recently, for lulz, i collected warez scans of every published book i could find with 'bitcoin' in the title
1242259;1439922390;ascii_field;the least retarded was the one by wiley financial press
1242260;1439922402;mircea_popescu;aha!
1242261;1439922408;ascii_field;(it was still pretty heavy on the retardation, but not an outright maculature)
1242262;1439922427;mircea_popescu;i heard the same thing.
1242263;1439922432;ascii_field;contained, for instance, a mostly-accurate description of blockchain mechanics
1242264;1439922443;ascii_field;(but equally long bloviations re: crackpot altcoins)
1242265;1439922468;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242062 << you are such a tool means that you don't act of your own retardation. this is the worst insult known to usian.
1242266;1439922468;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 11:41:25; kakobrekla: anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?
1242267;1439922490;mircea_popescu;better, you see, eat soap wrapped in my own country's flag than cheese in a plain white rapper.
1242268;1439922541;ascii_field;p4tr10t!!
1242269;1439922544;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.
1242270;1439922544;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 11:47:11; jurov: many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer
1242271;1439922553;mircea_popescu;this'd be the definition of retarded neh ?
1242272;1439922591;mike_c;"However, it will make it prohibitively expensive," << a quarter of a penny is prohibitively expensive?
1242273;1439922626;mircea_popescu;well... the government of the us is paying them to derp on reddit. why is the government of bitcoin not paying them to use bitcoin ?
1242274;1439922631;ascii_field;mike_c: for 'beoble', and for sp4mz0rz who want to take shits of infinite tonnage into our collective mouths for free - yes.
1242275;1439922631;punkman;mike_c, well if you only have 2 pennies
1242276;1439922633;*;trinque does his best anal-child squeal of frustration for mike_c
1242277;1439922635;mircea_popescu;clearly bitcoin government is bad and they should hold a vote.
1242278;1439922648;mircea_popescu;there's all this money here. let's democratic it.
1242279;1439922669;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, the money got here specifically because undemocratic"
1242280;1439922682;mike_c;punkman: hehe, yeah.  I will cry for their inability to push their dust around.
1242281;1439922697;mircea_popescu;"yeah... like everywhere else ? the us got rich by being a republic, not by being a democracy. the soviets got rich under tyranny and then the demobureau fucked it up"
1242282;1439922751;mircea_popescu;anyway, to the expensive topic : it is an inconvenient but nevertheless incontrovertible fact that the price point for bitcoin tx is VASTLY above the pricepoint for "visa tx" or "bank tx".
1242283;1439922753;mike_c;"The fact that the XT fork hasn't occurred yet is ridiculous," CoinWallet said.  << I do so love the tears of rage and frustration.
1242284;1439922763;mircea_popescu;the reason is that bitcoin tx offers some specific services neither visa nor wire offer.
1242285;1439922786;mircea_popescu;so, no, the price of steak is not going to be considered by comparison to "price of food" defined as "mcshitty menu".
1242286;1439922815;mircea_popescu;because steak isn't that. and so... $5k a transaction is no big deal. if you don't care to have your shit verified by the entire world, go send a wire, at $500 or w/e it will be by then
1242287;1439922840;ascii_field;500%
1242288;1439922869;ascii_field;(laugh, but cost for smallish wires to, e.g., ru from usa, is typically 100%)
1242289;1439922878;punkman;I'll just send you the priv keys, "you move it"
1242290;1439922895;mircea_popescu;nah, see, it'll still be dust, 0.001 btc or w/e.
1242291;1439922900;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242269 ofc, since we are innately biologically driven towards computers, like we are to women
1242292;1439922900;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 18:29:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.
1242293;1439922920;mircea_popescu;most of the regularization of the tx price of bitcoin will be done by usd being forced to devaluate in comparison
1242294;1439922927;mircea_popescu;not by straight and nominal price increase.
1242295;1439922937;mircea_popescu;jurov yes, we are.
1242296;1439922948;mircea_popescu;male curiosity is exactly equal to male  sex drive.
1242297;1439922953;punkman;well I'd certainly not pay 0.5btc to move 2btc
1242298;1439922954;mircea_popescu;which is why so many dudes on computers.
1242299;1439922959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00072369 = 13.0626 BTC [-] {3} 
1242300;1439922980;mircea_popescu;punkman there are good (and mathematical provable) reasons for which tx fees will never in average exceed ~0.001
1242301;1439923006;btcdrak;mircea_popescu do you know the guys at quedex.net?
1242302;1439923013;mircea_popescu;!s quedex
1242303;1439923014;assbot;7 results for 'quedex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quedex
1242304;1439923022;jurov;and why all people we hold in high esteem, know how to use women right.. right?
1242305;1439923028;mircea_popescu;iirc some guy here was doing some pro bono work for the,
1242306;1439923046;btcdrak;I'm on a google hangout with them right now, just checking.
1242307;1439923055;mircea_popescu;jurov "use" is not really the word there, and plenty of people we did or do hold in high esteem don't know how to use computers, or got a war wound.
1242308;1439923063;mircea_popescu;you can't argue anecdote to statistics.
1242309;1439923081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00071741 = 6.098 BTC [-]
1242310;1439923098;jurov;and statistics are? all people with iq  > 120 use lisp?
1242311;1439923102;mircea_popescu;"this guy looks like his next door neighbour rather than his father ergo inheritance is wrong"
1242312;1439923114;jurov;and live in happy marriage or polyamory or whatever?
1242313;1439923133;ascii_field;some people use pointed stick and live in an igloo.
1242314;1439923142;mircea_popescu;no. the statistics are that young males spend more time with computers than with women.
1242315;1439923143;ascii_field;with walrus.
1242316;1439923166;jurov;and how from tit all follows that windows users ===== derps?
1242317;1439923176;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: computers are less annoying than most women these men would say.
1242318;1439923177;kakobrekla;how do you know the sex of my machine?
1242319;1439923206;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sex dun matter. the entire thing was "male curiosity is the same thing that makes the male sex drive".
1242320;1439923222;*;danielpbarron gives his computers girl names
1242321;1439923227;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't go there, im just speaking to the rthing i spoke to ok ?
1242322;1439923265;mircea_popescu;this "not retarded just unaware" is nonsense. that they're unaware is the proof of their retardation.
1242323;1439923279;mircea_popescu;now, maybe they are aware and use windows for impenetrable reasons, to which i don't got much to say.
1242324;1439923297;ascii_field;big fat difference 'being aware' makes.
1242325;1439923301;mircea_popescu;does.
1242326;1439923324;ascii_field;how?
1242327;1439923328;mircea_popescu;lemme show you. suppose you go by a diner in wash, and inside see the most beautiful girl ever
1242328;1439923344;mircea_popescu;like, conceivable. you wipe away tears of mental contradiction because you didn't think this could exist.
1242329;1439923354;mircea_popescu;so, on an impulse, uncharacteristically, you go in. and walk up to her
1242330;1439923356;mircea_popescu;and say hi!
1242331;1439923363;mircea_popescu;anmd she looks at you and totally loses it.
1242332;1439923384;mircea_popescu;she like jumps all over you and is like "omg you know how long i've been waitinfg for you my love!?!?!?!"
1242333;1439923400;mircea_popescu;so you kiss at which point a dude opens the door, pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains away.
1242334;1439923414;mircea_popescu;the last thing you hear is "fucking shit, excuse me, miss. i thought he was someone else."
1242335;1439923416;ascii_field;ah finally back to real world!
1242336;1439923419;trinque;lol
1242337;1439923496;mircea_popescu;and this is not nearly as contrived as it may seem. the one wish that will come up if you actually are a necromancer and can speak with the dead
1242338;1439923499;mircea_popescu;(like yours truly)
1242339;1439923514;mircea_popescu;in all the cases of murdered wise men, is "i wish they had first bothered to know who the fuck i was".
1242340;1439923559;ascii_field;the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'
1242341;1439923567;mircea_popescu;lol
1242342;1439923639;trinque;danielpbarron: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/firefly/images/5/5a/Vera_weapon_Jayne_OMR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070214225453
1242343;1439923640;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAFb0g )
1242344;1439923680;mircea_popescu;that looks just like an angry mike_c
1242345;1439923693;mircea_popescu;don't shoot mikey, we're not disparaging windows. just the users. k ?
1242346;1439923699;mike_c;hehehe
1242347;1439923713;mircea_popescu;"AND THIS IS FOR THE PAPERCLIP!!!1"
1242348;1439923718;trinque;hahahha
1242349;1439923901;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242093 << for the record, "revenge" "cxheated" etc is bullshit. female monkeys genitally injure beta males. usually by biting.
1242350;1439923901;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 13:32:33; shinohai: This drama: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3201418/Jilted-woman-gets-revenge-cheating-boyfriend-setting-crotch-fire-s-sleeping.html
1242351;1439923904;mircea_popescu;same thing.
1242352;1439923949;mircea_popescu;it's not revenge and it's not cheating, it's "you're too shitty to reproduce". a sensor they do have in their brain, and which is being so deeply downregulated to live in teh civilised world, it starts firing randomly.
1242353;1439923963;ascii_field;!b 4
1242354;1439923964;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KF8SFP.txt )
1242355;1439923979;mircea_popescu;notably, no female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist.
1242356;1439923996;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, she WILL disable dribbly betas that make half-assed attempts which they manage to fend off.
1242357;1439924077;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh.
1242358;1439924077;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
1242359;1439924165;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could turn this into a "you're not supposed to be a man, i picked you because you're shit, to make you my live toy. if you contradict this i'll fucking kill you" which could then be summarized as "jilted" and "revenge". but if THAT is what the authors are thinking when using those words, they're worse than the KKK over there.
1242360;1439924179;trinque;you know, a former girlfriend I said goodbye to this weekend told me that the problem with being with me was that she lost the desire to seek other sexual partners when fucking me (this apparently being psychologically important to her for some reason related to shopping)
1242361;1439924185;mircea_popescu;an' should really be ashamed of themselves.
1242362;1439924190;trinque;I just shook my head, said "jesush christ you're broken" and laughed
1242363;1439924212;mircea_popescu;trinque dun judge womenz by what they say to you at times like that.
1242364;1439924224;trinque;hmm, maybe so
1242365;1439924231;trinque;could've just been what you say to him when leaving
1242366;1439924251;mircea_popescu;i mean if she said that she couldn't possibly have been unfaithful yes ?
1242367;1439924267;mircea_popescu;this is how twu wuv  sounds, right ?
1242368;1439924279;trinque;yeah not once, though broke it off with me because she thought this quaint? or who knows what
1242369;1439924283;trinque;this was from years ago
1242370;1439924299;trinque;my reaction was "if this is your natural reaction to me, what the fuck's wrong with it?"
1242371;1439924317;shinohai;I also read a story of Yazidi women who have formed a paramilitary force to kill their rapists (ISIS)
1242372;1439924332;mircea_popescu;which is why /me recommends structured relations. takes all this dubious derpage out of the thing.
1242373;1439924343;mircea_popescu;theres a reason when people go dancing they agree aforehand on WHAT dance will they dance
1242374;1439924353;mircea_popescu;rather than you know, find themselves there and try to guess as they go alon
1242375;1439924396;trinque;right, were I to just take charge and say "well you belong to me then, and that's that" she'd react with all the socialist bullshit in her head
1242376;1439924398;mircea_popescu;shinohai right, and this exists not as a tool to keep in line the beta boys of isis, but as a means for isis to lose its fucking leadership.
1242377;1439924416;mircea_popescu;trinque so ?
1242378;1439924425;mircea_popescu;always give the other the chance to actually play his hand, yes ?
1242379;1439924432;mircea_popescu;you thinking what they'd do is not good enough.
1242380;1439924478;trinque;tbh it is in listening to you describe relationships that I've realized I have several lovers I have not tended to *at all*
1242381;1439924484;trinque;that is, to be very honest.
1242382;1439924504;trinque;but anyhow, I'm leaving this state and she's voting for hillary or something
1242383;1439924513;mircea_popescu;lol so what if she is.
1242384;1439924524;mircea_popescu;lemme ask you this. if you were the well bearded patriarch of a most devouted harem
1242385;1439924540;mircea_popescu;and i mean... girls who'd lovingly, readily lick your asshole if you don't feel like using toilet paper, devoted.
1242386;1439924545;mircea_popescu;would you tell them who to vote for ?
1242387;1439924564;shinohai;vote for me :D
1242388;1439924577;mircea_popescu;fnargl, you know ? big deal.
1242389;1439924600;mircea_popescu;one of the most useful conceptual tools at your disposal. "am i doing this because i'm not sure i'm the king-emperor, or because it's what the king-emperor does ?"
1242390;1439924606;trinque;no, never been my style to try to control those things
1242391;1439924608;trinque;you're right
1242392;1439924628;punkman;why would you let them vote?
1242393;1439924644;mircea_popescu;that question divides the abstract world in two. not even that one or the other of the two kinds is better. merely the distinction is useful in and of itself.
1242394;1439924653;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1242395;1439924657;ascii_field;let's also ask which mcdonalds item they will be ordered to eat?
1242396;1439924658;mircea_popescu;punkman i don't care either way, they can vote if they want to, what.
1242397;1439924667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00071112 = 24.7825 BTC [-] {3} 
1242398;1439924672;trinque;now, "read this book"
1242399;1439924677;mircea_popescu;ascii_field whay ?
1242400;1439924677;trinque;yeah I've said things like that, and not asked whether
1242401;1439924687;trinque;and this has usually had a wonderful result
1242402;1439924689;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: re: 'who to vote'
1242403;1439924698;trinque;girl in question went from being a retail something to a project manager at a software company
1242404;1439924716;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if you enforce looks and a fuckable muscle tone, they drop the mcd on their own.
1242405;1439924728;ascii_field;mega-unsurprise
1242406;1439924736;ascii_field;was answering the 'who would you order them to vote for'
1242407;1439924749;mircea_popescu;trinque see ? that's your spv. "you're my thing, and if you shut up and suck it you may one day be smart enough to do all the things you don't like toi think about now because you're unsure"
1242408;1439924761;mircea_popescu;ah ah ha
1242409;1439924811;phf;trinque: in my experience you want to bring that socialist stuff to the surface asap, and then nip it in the bud, or end the whole thing if failed. eventually the unexplored is going to be what creates strife
1242410;1439924830;mircea_popescu;i can undersign.
1242411;1439924853;trinque;yeah, of course this was a goodbye, so I have made an assessment of whether the tumor's extractable
1242412;1439924866;trinque;it's sort of a diseased version of something normal, I observe
1242413;1439924867;punkman;mircea_popescu: they drop the mcd on their own. << yeah that's what I was shooting for, why would a good slavegirl want to vote in derplections?
1242414;1439924885;trinque;she saw herself developing into a woman due to my books and fucking, and couldn't deal with that
1242415;1439924887;mircea_popescu;godel sez : you never know, punkman.
1242416;1439924892;trinque;neotony, it's a thing, I've learned :p
1242417;1439924898;trinque;*neoteny
1242418;1439924907;mircea_popescu;trinque dun hurt telling these things out plain, in general.
1242419;1439924970;trinque;sure, told her all of that
1242420;1439924972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00072074 = 14.1625 BTC [+]
1242421;1439924987;mircea_popescu;but i did order mcdonalds icecream cones be purchased and sampled, because wtf already, when i came here first i was shocked at how good the icecream was. then i found a place which shocked me again, at how good their icecreeam was over argentine icecream. and recentyly found a second, which YET AGAIN
1242422;1439924987;shinohai;dun hurt to always marry a girl at the top of her blowjob game, either.
1242423;1439925004;mircea_popescu;shinohai ie a 50yo retired whore ?
1242424;1439925024;trinque;lol
1242425;1439925026;shinohai;I liek Milfs
1242426;1439925047;mircea_popescu;but if she's a milf she has kids, which makes her cocksucking dedication questionable at best.
1242427;1439925096;shinohai;truth
1242428;1439925097;mircea_popescu;"nah man, she does this trick where she grabls her knees and spits in her own snatch afterwards, i've never seen anything like it."
1242429;1439925204;trinque;the kind of woman you can curl up with a book in
1242430;1439925210;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/633714822580994048    <<<lel
1242431;1439925277;*;trinque has begun to not care, open to reasons why he should
1242432;1439925283;trinque;how's this not just any other altcoin?
1242433;1439925285;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 << kinda nonplussed this didn't deliver yet.
1242434;1439925285;assbot;The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eyf7mo )
1242435;1439925298;mircea_popescu;cmon, shitstains. can we get it in writing ? hm ?
1242436;1439925299;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1242437;1439925358;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242113 << lmao.
1242438;1439925359;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 14:27:14; punkman: "The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."
1242439;1439925368;mircea_popescu;"we're gonna be important!111"
1242440;1439925393;mircea_popescu;i guess they did get something from the early mpoe-pr adversative marketing techniques. so in that sense less dumb than most forum derps.
1242441;1439925450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118 << quite exactly. "o hai, wer didn't accomplish anything and our servers crashed in the process. WE CAN JUGGLE!!1"
1242442;1439925450;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 14:31:36; asciilifeform: nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.
1242443;1439925524;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242129 << the dream of cheapskate "influencers", yoiu know ? they're gonna spin up 5k amazon instances for $500, and count it as a "majority" becauyse totally, votes from a buried pogo and an aws instance with a 100 hour lifespan are EQUAL.
1242444;1439925524;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 14:50:30; Naphex: BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol
1242445;1439925535;mircea_popescu;why is astroturfing so fundamental to usg political thought is beyond me.
1242446;1439925543;mircea_popescu;why they expect it to work however...
1242447;1439925557;ascii_field;'cause vox populi, vox dei !!111!!11 (tm) (r)
1242448;1439925561;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1242449;1439925571;mircea_popescu;and populi = aws instance ?
1242450;1439925577;ascii_field;it ~always~ was
1242451;1439925583;ascii_field;even before electric lamp.
1242452;1439925603;ascii_field;'i speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues!1'
1242453;1439925610;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242140 << thios, really. there's absolutely no reason to allow aws anywhere.
1242454;1439925610;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 15:09:37; BingoBoingo: Or the ones on the AWS ip space
1242455;1439925639;*;mircea_popescu is kinda tooi lazy to dig up that article with the oglaf cartoon re the electoral debater.
1242456;1439925704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00072074 = 30.0549 BTC [+]
1242457;1439925711;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?
1242458;1439925711;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 15:38:50; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/18/asking-your-friend-to-bang-your-prospective-wife-and-other-silly-ideas/
1242459;1439925712;assbot;In sprijinul eugeniei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hL4KXw )
1242460;1439925826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00070141 = 20.0954 BTC [-] {3} 
1242461;1439925836;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.
1242462;1439925836;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 15:46:27; pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"
1242463;1439925843;mircea_popescu;and this is somehow an argument in his stupid head ?
1242464;1439925902;mircea_popescu;a more pointed example of how the entire thing just ground to a halt could not be devised if one tried. and yet the derp figures this bolsters his case. because he went to a school in the united states.
1242465;1439925945;fluffypony;BUT HIS PHONE HAS A BIGGER SD CARD
1242466;1439925946;fluffypony;SO THEREFORE
1242467;1439925972;mircea_popescu;yea. and in 2020 a phone that has 32 gb card will cost 100x what the phone with the 64 gb card cost in 2015.
1242468;1439926139;ascii_field;100,000.
1242469;1439926190;mircea_popescu;nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.
1242470;1439926328;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242217 << they don't want to test, thjey know it doesn't work already. they want to derp. and, for a while yet, they can, so let 'em enjoe.
1242471;1439926328;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 17:28:32; kakobrekla: stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.
1242472;1439926549;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242230 << dude gets it.
1242473;1439926549;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 17:35:12; kakobrekla: really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.
1242474;1439926572;mircea_popescu;"if you have any option besides paying in bitcoin, USE THAT. wtf is wrong with you anyway."
1242475;1439926627;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242241 << bwahaha thanks for adding the references. this is going to become VERY useful in the future.
1242476;1439926627;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 17:45:45; pete_dushenski: robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.
1242477;1439926632;mircea_popescu;certainly before the 2020.
1242478;1439926690;mircea_popescu;and for the record, that guardian article is a horrible hack job. it looks like someone took a camera and went to a coupla yard sales. wtf guardian, seriously ? you ever seen new jersey ?
1242479;1439926692;mircea_popescu;atlantic city ?
1242480;1439926695;mircea_popescu;where do you live!
1242481;1439927595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00071182 = 12.9551 BTC [+]
1242482;1439927725;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1242483;1439927728;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242469 << not built to last.
1242484;1439927728;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.
1242485;1439927759;mircea_popescu;that's what drives the price : as the stored stuff gets delivered
1242486;1439927769;mircea_popescu;not for a moment was i proposing user-owned shit to make it. but there's boxes.
1242487;1439927794;mircea_popescu;ytou know, like the pogos. exactly.
1242488;1439927842;ascii_field;i won't be surprised if we learn that usg has purchased and burned the bulk of those.
1242489;1439927971;mircea_popescu;with what money ?
1242490;1439927978;mircea_popescu;nah, the water left in the pipe is left in the pipe.
1242491;1439927982;mircea_popescu;the pipe's chinese mostly.
1242492;1439927992;mircea_popescu;some euro/arab shipping corps.
1242493;1439927998;mircea_popescu;the us dun count for shit in this story.
1242494;1439928010;mircea_popescu;jus' dreamin' its dreams of "intellectual property" and whatnot
1242495;1439928069;ascii_field;with a few $k srsly
1242496;1439928076;ascii_field;is all it'd take.
1242497;1439928085;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1242498;1439928085;ascii_field;what was that warehouse total, $8k ?
1242499;1439928090;ascii_field;danielpbarron ?
1242500;1439928100;thestringpuller;http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 << It's a shit blizzard mircea_popescu
1242501;1439928144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00071182 = 3.7015 BTC [+]
1242502;1439928215;mircea_popescu;ascii_field here's the model i propose to you : current debit is 1mn units/day, say, call this t0.  "world ends" event, t1. prices spike 40-50% and social support wanes. demand drops 80%. this is t2. production stops, and the pipeline gets diverted to storage, this is t3.
1242503;1439928235;mircea_popescu;the good now moves from pipeline to sotrage pricing, and as a result it will slowly dwindle as price goes exponential and demand collapses.
1242504;1439928266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0007116 = 6.6471 BTC [-]
1242505;1439928275;mircea_popescu;so, sales of 100 units/day, at 100x what they cost a day, some point at t5.
1242506;1439928327;mircea_popescu;that 1% total sale volume is the last sustainable place for it, after price increases past 100x demand collapses entirely and the good either becomes monetized or disappears outright, in the hands of collectors.
1242507;1439928347;mircea_popescu;this is the star line of goods. just like normal stars.
1242508;1439928720;ascii_field;pogo?!!!
1242509;1439928740;ascii_field;as it is, a used car's worth of benjie buys the lot.
1242510;1439928754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00071282 = 21.6697 BTC [+]
1242511;1439928928;jurov;pogo is useless without hard drive, either (and no, we don't have antifuse rom)
1242512;1439929038;ascii_field;jurov: no (yet) shortage of those
1242513;1439929064;jurov;you remember that flood? and it was only one factory
1242514;1439929072;ascii_field;aha
1242515;1439929080;ascii_field;iirc it made spindle drives only
1242516;1439929099;ascii_field;but yes, one burned/flooded factory can double price of $component
1242517;1439929112;ascii_field;(certain items are still scarce on account of fukushima)
1242518;1439929128;mircea_popescu;pogo isn't the same thing as "cellphone"
1242519;1439929133;ascii_field;but all of this is re: generic technocollapse
1242520;1439929144;ascii_field;i was speaking of a specific strategic good
1242521;1439929151;ascii_field;that is useful pretty much only to us
1242522;1439929154;mircea_popescu;jurov nah it was like 3, and in any case the weather stayed bad and 90% of production was in the same area.
1242523;1439929166;mircea_popescu;but yes : goods there moved from pipeline to storage like... halfway. 1/3 of a way really
1242524;1439929181;mircea_popescu;price doubled. (price doubled specifically bnecause it wasn't all the way, incidentally)
1242525;1439929228;ascii_field;the other thing is that price doesn't double when those directly hit can 'borrow' using shitflation - e.g., switch to chinese electrolytic capacitors instead of fukkupied jp parts
1242526;1439929251;mircea_popescu;yeah but i don't see how the smartphone made out of shit and sticks will cut it
1242527;1439929258;ascii_field;ask samsung
1242528;1439929261;ascii_field;they ship'em now.
1242529;1439929264;mircea_popescu;(incidentally -0 this is how the russians ruined their at some point fledging industrial reputation
1242530;1439929272;ascii_field;aha.
1242531;1439929280;mircea_popescu;the soviets tried the inflatatron, but by making shitstick cellphgone. it blew in their face)
1242532;1439929298;mircea_popescu;it's almost never a bad idea, that.
1242533;1439929303;mircea_popescu;shit.
1242534;1439929306;ascii_field;however it works if 'that's how world works' and the consumer frog is boiled 1) reasonably slowly 2) in unison
1242535;1439929307;mircea_popescu;it's never a GOOD idea, that.
1242536;1439929320;mircea_popescu;no, it does not work. it merely appears to have worked
1242537;1439929321;ascii_field;'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know'
1242538;1439929324;mircea_popescu;next thing you know, you hang.
1242539;1439929336;ascii_field;wake me up when the makers of 2007-present autos hang
1242540;1439929356;mircea_popescu;you and your sleep cycles.
1242541;1439929362;mircea_popescu;!s wake me up when
1242542;1439929363;assbot;49 results for 'wake me up when' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wake+me+up+when
1242543;1439929365;mircea_popescu;!s ad libitum
1242544;1439929366;assbot;38 results for 'ad libitum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ad+libitum
1242545;1439929374;mircea_popescu;see ? you're 11 sleeps ahead. quit bitchin'.
1242546;1439929379;*;ascii_field is to sleep as the archetypical sex starved 14 y.o. is to sex
1242547;1439929409;mircea_popescu;"to ensure world happiness, you buy some people girlfriends and some people's girlfriends"
1242548;1439929425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00069186 = 12.7302 BTC [-]
1242549;1439929437;mircea_popescu;oh mpoe how you toe with my heart
1242550;1439929441;ascii_field;pretty much 90% of my 'rich' fantasy consists of being able to actually do my hardwired 26-hour circadian instead of pretending, badly, to do the standard 24
1242551;1439929449;danielpbarron;ascii_field> danielpbarron ? << wasn't it like 20k?
1242552;1439929451;mircea_popescu;im doing it lol.
1242553;1439929454;jurov;so the consensus is.. i should start stocking on hdds/ssds?
1242554;1439929486;ascii_field;jurov: can't hurt
1242555;1439929490;mircea_popescu;the consensus is, it makes more sense to hoard NRFB smartphones than gold.
1242556;1439929496;ascii_field;unless they have peculiarly short shelf lives
1242557;1439929502;ascii_field;(not impossible, and i can't rule it out)
1242558;1439929504;mircea_popescu;but then again gold is a very low bar. almost anything makes more sense to hoard.
1242559;1439929557;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1242560;1439929562;jurov;lol incidentally.. my newfound love for n900's
1242561;1439929579;trinque;not dumbphone enough for me
1242562;1439929608;trinque;what I really want is like a radio-passive beeper
1242563;1439929617;ascii_field;trinque: those are still sold
1242564;1439929621;jurov;web browser can be handy
1242565;1439929628;trinque;ascii_field: I may just not know how a beeper works
1242566;1439929630;danielpbarron;ascii_field> 'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know' << i've had my iPhone 5 for 3 years now, if i'm not mistaken
1242567;1439929646;ascii_field;danielpbarron: wait till the os update is mandatory
1242568;1439929652;ascii_field;then - straight to dumpster
1242569;1439929662;danielpbarron;i've been updating all the way
1242570;1439929667;ascii_field;but i was making an abstract point
1242571;1439929676;ascii_field;that scarcely anyone keeps these for longer than 2-3 yrs
1242572;1439929676;mircea_popescu;very abstract indeed.
1242573;1439929696;ascii_field;just like around 2007 it became ~sop~ for cars to last 5 yr instead of 15
1242574;1439929697;trinque;ascii_field: now that I'm reading about it, is the passive in one-way pagers actually passive in the sense I care about?
1242575;1439929704;danielpbarron;most useful feature of my iPhone is mod6's MPEx twitter bot announcing trades in real time to me wherever I go
1242576;1439929709;trinque;not so much as a peep back to tower?
1242577;1439929712;ascii_field;trinque: passive in the sense of not transmitting
1242578;1439929716;ascii_field;at least not by design
1242579;1439929723;trinque;hm
1242580;1439929730;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure they still heartbeat
1242581;1439929737;ascii_field;no
1242582;1439929744;ascii_field;at least not classic pagers
1242583;1439929750;ascii_field;that ran on 'aaa' cell for 2 weeks
1242584;1439929756;mircea_popescu;is it an abstract point ?
1242585;1439929756;trinque;surely this, being sane, must be on the way out
1242586;1439929777;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no, it was (and to a limited extent, still is) an actual product where i live
1242587;1439929797;ascii_field;small box that only receives (somewhere in the 400 MHz band), with character display
1242588;1439929805;ascii_field;;;google pocsag
1242589;1439929805;gribble;POCSAG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POCSAG>; POCSAG - Signal Identification Wiki: <http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/POCSAG>; RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com: <http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-pocsag-pager-decoding/>
1242590;1439929808;ascii_field;^ him
1242591;1439929817;mircea_popescu;aha
1242592;1439929839;ascii_field;signal from the station is very strong, can be received, typically, even in a lift, or an underground station
1242593;1439929851;ascii_field;which made 'beeper' popular even as mobile phone appeared
1242594;1439929863;ascii_field;surgeons, i'm told, still carry classic 'beeper.'
1242595;1439929892;ascii_field;'beepers' with provisions for answering were introduced but were obsoleted by 'smartPnohe'
1242596;1439929910;jurov;lizardhitler must be able to page you at any time!!!1
1242597;1439929923;ascii_field;how else.
1242598;1439930028;trinque;hm. now I want a pocsag usb device
1242599;1439930041;ascii_field;easy
1242600;1439930051;ascii_field;http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-pocsag-pager-decoding
1242601;1439930053;assbot;RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3o0K )
1242602;1439930055;ascii_field;$15.
1242603;1439930061;trinque;fun!
1242604;1439930091;ascii_field;though bad link
1242605;1439930099;ascii_field;asks you to use a shitblowz proggy
1242606;1439930105;ascii_field;there is a proper one somewhere
1242607;1439930133;mats;danielpbarron: wait what? 'MPEx1' hasn't tweeted since 2013
1242608;1439930144;ascii_field;https://github.com/EliasOenal/multimon-ng
1242609;1439930145;assbot;EliasOenal/multimon-ng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3zsV )
1242610;1439930148;trinque;general notion being that I might do some driving around with the laptop soon, see the states while it's easy, and I'd like to rely on passive tech (beeper, gps, etc) more as an exercise than because of any operational need
1242611;1439930179;danielpbarron;mats, https://twitter.com/BitOTTer
1242612;1439930181;assbot;BitOTTerBot (@BitOTTer) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3BB4 )
1242613;1439930181;ascii_field;trinque: it still lives & dies by the official transmitters
1242614;1439930190;ascii_field;nothing 'decentralized' about it
1242615;1439930190;trinque;ascii_field: sure, of course
1242616;1439930238;ascii_field;but do wake me up when somebody starts transmitting a therealbitcoin blockchain i can pick up with my rtlsdr !!
1242617;1439930250;trinque;indeed
1242618;1439930269;ascii_field;and when i can throw a transaction into a wireless parasite mesh
1242619;1439930299;ascii_field;^ mircea_popescu ?
1242620;1439930312;mircea_popescu;hm?
1242621;1439930331;punkman;you can send tx with satphone
1242622;1439930331;ascii_field;application for hypothetical device
1242623;1439930339;ascii_field;punkman: satellite ~= fighter jet
1242624;1439930344;ascii_field;not to be relied on for the future.
1242625;1439930349;ascii_field;certainly not unless one serves usg
1242626;1439930355;mircea_popescu;you mean cn.
1242627;1439930361;ascii_field;or.
1242628;1439930366;mircea_popescu;not even or.
1242629;1439930373;ascii_field;cn, ru
1242630;1439930374;punkman;and how does wireless mesh reach china?
1242631;1439930382;mircea_popescu;myeah.,
1242632;1439930383;ascii_field;punkman: what do i need china for
1242633;1439930395;punkman;well US transactions need to leave the continent no?
1242634;1439930400;ascii_field;sure
1242635;1439930402;ascii_field;shortwave.
1242636;1439930412;ascii_field;hell, moon bounce.
1242637;1439930431;ascii_field;troposcatter.
1242638;1439930443;mircea_popescu;are we doingthis again ?
1242639;1439930443;ascii_field;^ ANOTHER reason tx ~has~ to be expensive, and blocks - light.
1242640;1439930456;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which this
1242641;1439930471;punkman;http://kryptoradio.koodilehto.fi/
1242642;1439930472;assbot;Kryptoradio by Koodilehto ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2iOTf )
1242643;1439930481;ascii_field;punkman: in logs, yes
1242644;1439930486;ascii_field;punkman: uses derpatroic bitcoind though
1242645;1439930491;ascii_field;and therefore not of interest.
1242646;1439930500;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "providing punctual technical solutions for poorly understood future situations".
1242647;1439930515;mats;danielpbarron: ok cool
1242648;1439930516;ascii_field;nah just doing a mircea_popescuine 'i like to think'
1242649;1439930524;ascii_field;as with yesterday's block fattening thread.
1242650;1439930539;mircea_popescu;so what';s the premise ? i guess i missed it.
1242651;1439930555;*;mircea_popescu loathes to think without premise.
1242652;1439930573;ascii_field;premise is that in certain zimbabwes, net access is dodgy
1242653;1439930591;ascii_field;one effective answer is 'don't go there' - reasonable
1242654;1439930604;mircea_popescu;see, that's the difference. i don't think we ca do a "like to think" if the premise is not an "all" or "every"
1242655;1439930620;mircea_popescu;actually, i would propose that's the difference between think and wank in the space in question.
1242656;1439930645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14734 @ 0.00070467 = 10.3826 BTC [+]
1242657;1439930655;mircea_popescu;think is "all". wank is "some". "certain" is iffy and should be resolved to either.
1242658;1439930659;ascii_field;mircea_popescu designs a parachute, and reasons using 'all' and 'every' ?
1242659;1439930669;ascii_field;is to deploy on every flight ?
1242660;1439930682;mircea_popescu;yes. when you design "a parachute" you design it for "every".
1242661;1439930688;mircea_popescu;if you do not you got a very bad result.
1242662;1439930689;ascii_field;for every pull of the cord.
1242663;1439930692;ascii_field;but not for every flight.
1242664;1439930705;mircea_popescu;so then you say this, and your "Certain" has become an "every"
1242665;1439930727;ascii_field;fine. when i pull this 'cord', we get a bitcoin node in a place where usg does not wish for there to be honest nodes.
1242666;1439930746;ascii_field;that there's your 'every.'
1242667;1439930767;mircea_popescu;"a" is still not every but certain :)
1242668;1439930786;*;mircea_popescu gapes in amazement at the incredibly powerful tool he came up with over dinner conversation.
1242669;1439930798;ascii_field;'a' == every territory presently occupied by the bugmen
1242670;1439930805;mircea_popescu;so any ?
1242671;1439930811;ascii_field;aha.
1242672;1439930822;jurov;ascii_field: if it can filter internet such, then it can do radio, too
1242673;1439930830;mircea_popescu;this problem is easily resolved : there can not be an "any" node.
1242674;1439930841;ascii_field;jurov: bugmen rely on radio too much, in modern times, for proper sov-style jamming
1242675;1439930973;jurov;they rely on 'net, too, back since desert storm
1242676;1439930986;ascii_field;own net.
1242677;1439930999;jurov;that does not exist
1242678;1439931006;ascii_field;sure does.
1242679;1439931016;*;ascii_field saw it, alive.
1242680;1439931028;ascii_field;they still have separate cabling and all.
1242681;1439931038;ascii_field;granted, not as extensive as once before, in the old days
1242682;1439931057;ascii_field;commercial links for most (but not all) long haul
1242683;1439931059;phf;trinque: i have a gsm modem on home base, that saves sms to text file and generates wave files of left messages. when i travel i just periodically download that stuff, when i get internet connection. you could probably harden it in various ways to minimize your location being traced, as an exercise
1242684;1439931108;kakobrekla;you download wave files ?!
1242685;1439931118;mircea_popescu;o.O
1242686;1439931122;mircea_popescu;why not make them bitmaps
1242687;1439931131;ascii_field;incidentally, and not unrelated, payphones of the traditional kind where almost entirely abolished where i live
1242688;1439931136;ascii_field;over past 5 or so years
1242689;1439931164;ascii_field;they were a loophole in the tracking grid and had to die, yes
1242690;1439931165;phf;obviously, they get lame'd
1242691;1439931193;mircea_popescu;here too.
1242692;1439931194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00070467 = 9.8654 BTC [+]
1242693;1439931209;kakobrekla;bbbut you are starting off with text which is best, especially to download on the road
1242694;1439931247;mircea_popescu;phf why not download the text ?!
1242695;1439931274;phf;~voicemail~ messages
1242696;1439931283;mircea_popescu;you said sms lol
1242697;1439931291;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even listens to voicemail. i never have.
1242698;1439931299;mircea_popescu;if someone is dumb enough to talk to a machine they should CONTINUE.
1242699;1439931305;trinque;hahaha
1242700;1439931308;mircea_popescu;well ?
1242701;1439931314;mircea_popescu;i'm not talking to machine talkers.
1242702;1439931322;trinque;voicemail's terrible; I use email and IRC
1242703;1439931337;trinque;and if something doesn't do either of those things, it gets taped into one of them, or abandoned
1242704;1439931350;ascii_field;here in the stone age lands, it is generally expected of a 'serious person' to be reachable by voice phone
1242705;1439931359;trinque;phf: what's this modem? is the sms aspect special, or do I just need to learn those horrible looking codes?
1242706;1439931361;ascii_field;(unless you're hitler and have a secretary)
1242707;1439931362;mircea_popescu;i bet you he gets the bulk of it from womenz that don't know enough contemporaneous culture to just send nudies.
1242708;1439931370;trinque;lol
1242709;1439931386;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1242710;1439931390;ascii_field;trinque: nobody cancelled hayes modem codes!!
1242711;1439931395;trinque;I should autoresponder "tits or gtfo"
1242712;1439931402;ascii_field;trinque: how else is the thing to let your machine know that it got a call, msg, or whatnot
1242713;1439931405;phf;trinque: i parse gsm by hand, because. but there's a handful of linux packages that'll do it for you
1242714;1439931410;ascii_field;or to dial it
1242715;1439931425;trinque;I mean, arbitrarily any way
1242716;1439931427;trinque;and someone chose *that*
1242717;1439931487;trinque;for example I know of a guy that built some radio doodad that farts out s-expressions
1242718;1439931488;phf;version 1 of that was written for razr, because first phone i had with a usb connector
1242719;1439931517;ascii_field;btw, best gsm modem i presently know of for this application is just about everything made by 'huawei'
1242720;1439931526;phf;^
1242721;1439931531;ascii_field;their usb dongles, at least the ones i tested, can even make/receive voice calls
1242722;1439931537;ascii_field;without analogue wiring
1242723;1439931554;ascii_field;this is almost UNKNOWN on any other vendor
1242724;1439931570;ascii_field;(to date i have not been able to source any but huawei which does this)
1242725;1439931696;mircea_popescu;so for my own curiosity (inspired mostly by our bitcoin experiments here) i had it tested. there's no modern browser thatr doesn't leak memory.
1242726;1439931702;mircea_popescu;and we're talking kbps sort of leaks.
1242727;1439931719;ascii_field;no shit
1242728;1439931725;ascii_field;mega-unsurprise
1242729;1439931775;ascii_field;who doesn't believe this - get thee to valgrind, and see for yourself.
1242730;1439931811;trinque;the DOM is far to intermingled to ever deallocate certain things
1242731;1439931816;trinque;god have I spent time in this hell
1242732;1439931822;trinque;*too
1242733;1439931883;mircea_popescu;yeah well...
1242734;1439931886;mircea_popescu;shit dun work.
1242735;1439931925;mircea_popescu;i wonder what;d happen if someone made a racist browser.
1242736;1439931926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14666 @ 0.0007103 = 10.4173 BTC [+]
1242737;1439931930;mircea_popescu;ie one that supported none of the crud.
1242738;1439931950;punkman;lynx?
1242739;1439931951;mircea_popescu;to begin with : did not allow https.
1242740;1439931957;mircea_popescu;nah, graphical.
1242741;1439931959;trinque;sounds like some kinda CLIM thing with a socket
1242742;1439931966;mircea_popescu;^
1242743;1439931969;trinque;that'd rule
1242744;1439931984;phf;trinque: there's "closure"
1242745;1439932001;trinque;phf: this is hypertext atop lisp in clim?
1242746;1439932007;trinque;because hypertext isn't wrong, the browser is
1242747;1439932019;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-08-2015#1233154 << you might find a racist here
1242748;1439932019;assbot;Logged on 10-08-2015 05:58:00; punkman: http://browsers.evolt.org/
1242749;1439932032;*;ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong
1242750;1439932032;phf;trinque: closure is a browser, which spawned a bunch of projects, one of them is closure-html, an html parser
1242751;1439932048;trinque;yeah nah, I'm talking burn it all to the ground
1242752;1439932053;ascii_field;^
1242753;1439932057;trinque;represent hypertext as s-exp, write in CLIM
1242754;1439932062;mircea_popescu;should be able to render webm for fuxxase
1242755;1439932078;trinque;I'm sure you could do media really nicely in clim
1242756;1439932087;trinque;and it would know things you could do to the media!
1242757;1439932090;trinque;independent of the site author!
1242758;1439932099;*;trinque stops himself before he dares dream
1242759;1439932101;phf;https://common-lisp.net/project/closure/ for the curious
1242760;1439932102;assbot;Closure Web Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpttR )
1242761;1439932122;mircea_popescu;anyway : i am itching to declare extant browsers obsolete and force through a replacement.
1242762;1439932130;mircea_popescu;i need this more than i need a bigger blocks hardfork
1242763;1439932142;mircea_popescu;much easier task, too.
1242764;1439932160;ascii_field;replacement for exactly what ?
1242765;1439932163;ascii_field;'lynx' still works
1242766;1439932179;mircea_popescu;for the gfx browser.
1242767;1439932186;phf;btw lynx has a pretty nasty track record of remote exploitable bus
1242768;1439932189;phf;*bugs
1242769;1439932204;ascii_field;phf: like just about all c proggies
1242770;1439932223;phf;it's probably better then nothing, but without a foundation style audit, it's a liability
1242771;1439932251;ascii_field;phf: the whole shit-orchestra, all the way down to the turtles and elephants, is a mega-liability
1242772;1439932282;trinque;ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong << unless I misunderstand you, we agree
1242773;1439932302;trinque;I am saying hypertext as the concept that there are relationships in written word that can be traversed is right
1242774;1439932314;trinque;the browser, emphatically not
1242775;1439932416;ascii_field;the essential thing is to use nothing whatsoever created by the folks who have so thoroughly disqualified themselves.
1242776;1439932426;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> nah, graphical. << surf ???
1242777;1439932449;trinque;just another webkit wrapper
1242778;1439932470;trinque;I wrote one of those me-self
1242779;1439932565;phf;trinque: that's the gsm package i was thinking of http://wammu.eu/docs/manual/smsd/
1242780;1439932566;assbot;SMS Daemon — Gammu 1.36.5 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuntgW )
1242781;1439932567;BingoBoingo;What about Dillo, uses own engine
1242782;1439932719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14952 @ 0.00070875 = 10.5972 BTC [-]
1242783;1439932743;trinque;still big wad o' c/c++
1242784;1439932749;trinque;and the problem's so simple!
1242785;1439932780;ascii_field;http://mpetroff.net/2015/05/amazon-dash-button-teardown << very lulzy. contains princely mircocontroller, multiple MB of eeprom, and... a microphone.
1242786;1439932781;assbot;Amazon Dash Button Teardown | Matthew Petroff ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBr3f6 )
1242787;1439932839;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu>  http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh. << In practice largely supplanted by the patch on therealbitcoin list
1242788;1439932839;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
1242789;1439933226;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1242790;1439933512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3638 @ 0.00070875 = 2.5784 BTC [-]
1242791;1439933687;phf;oh, i missed the confusion part. the setup saves text files of sms messages and ~separately~ a folder of voicemail messages in mono mp3
1242792;1439933756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070875 = 8.2924 BTC [-]
1242793;1439934305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30489 @ 0.00071648 = 21.8448 BTC [+] {5} 
1242794;1439934667;trinque;!rated relaxedman
1242795;1439934667;assbot;relaxedman is not registered in WoT.
1242796;1439934671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00070467 = 22.5142 BTC [-]
1242797;1439934673;trinque;!up relaxedman
1242798;1439934680;trinque;!h
1242799;1439934680;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1242800;1439934684;trinque;relaxedman: ^
1242801;1439934730;relaxedman;on it already
1242802;1439935002;trinque;!seen liquidassets
1242803;1439935006;trinque;;;seen liquidassets
1242804;1439935007;gribble;liquidassets was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <liquidassets> property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure
1242805;1439935023;trinque;;;seen WolfGoethe
1242806;1439935024;gribble;WolfGoethe was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <WolfGoethe> some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???
1242807;1439935043;trinque;!unrate WolfGoethe
1242808;1439935043;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5ebb2c77036eaa7
1242809;1439935050;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1242810;1439935064;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.unrate.WolfGoethe:aebf4e3a51678a9538932c577f3d025744b6d9d15447342b9cbcc4b197eae9ab
1242811;1439935064;assbot;Successfully unrated WolfGoethe
1242812;1439935088;trinque;;;seen hasimir
1242813;1439935088;gribble;hasimir was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <Hasimir> yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)
1242814;1439935110;kakobrekla;myea, i unrated liek 100 people the other day (in both wots)
1242815;1439935144;kakobrekla;anyone who i havent spoken to in a year for sure.
1242816;1439935148;shinohai;http://lta.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/la-comunidad-de-bitcoin-se-niega-a-aceptar-bitcoin-xt/    <<< ROFL
1242817;1439935151;assbot;La Comunidad de Bitcoin se Niega a Aceptar Bitcoin XT - NewsBtc ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUwj5H )
1242818;1439935151;trinque;yeah, doing some review
1242819;1439935174;shinohai;^ qntra got a mention ^^
1242820;1439935525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070467 = 2.9596 BTC [-]
1242821;1439935694;shinohai;!up Varia_Varietatis
1242822;1439935738;trinque;I thought Varia_Varietatis was sentenced to 6mos of log-reading for losing his second key
1242823;1439935750;*;trinque twists moustache twistily
1242824;1439935832;Varia_Varietatis;trinque: true, making a new key right now but think I might need a new nickserv account?
1242825;1439935924;trinque;what I'm saying is, nobody in L1 will rate you at the present time such that you can self-voice (or at least, would be wrong to do so) because you made a severe error in maintaining your keys
1242826;1439935925;kakobrekla;the third of fourth?
1242827;1439935933;trinque;an error which you will understand if you actually do the work and read logs
1242828;1439936012;Varia_Varietatis;working on it.
1242829;1439936055;Varia_Varietatis;kakobrekla: anyway I can keep this name? never used the key on the bot.
1242830;1439936073;kakobrekla;well, try to register, see what it says
1242831;1439936242;Varia_Varietatis;hold on, gotta reread how to do all of that out of the log.
1242832;1439936310;shinohai;Varia_Varietatis = n6 ?
1242833;1439936315;Varia_Varietatis;yes
1242834;1439936317;shinohai;or nx
1242835;1439936350;shinohai;Are you still a virgin?
1242836;1439936354;Varia_Varietatis;yes
1242837;1439936363;shinohai;I still can't help you.
1242838;1439936364;trinque;and how old?
1242839;1439936370;Varia_Varietatis;26
1242840;1439936379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.000732 = 7.5762 BTC [+]
1242841;1439936401;[\\\];do you live on an island by yourself?
1242842;1439936415;Varia_Varietatis;no, but I was a recluse for about 12 years.
1242843;1439936457;Varia_Varietatis;Tell you all about it, after I work out my key / name sitaution brb
1242844;1439936509;danielpbarron;!gettrust Varia_Varietatis
1242845;1439936510;assbot;Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Varia_Varietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Varia_Varietatis | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Varia_Varietatis/
1242846;1439936521;danielpbarron;you did use the key with the bot
1242847;1439936537;trinque;Varia_Varietatis: you're setting yourself up to be rated negatively, here
1242848;1439936553;trinque;you would be best served reading, not trying to register for the umpteenth time
1242849;1439936629;Varia_Varietatis;Yea, I put a key in then lost the pass phrase. trinque true learning gpg still..
1242850;1439936664;trinque;well yes, you are
1242851;1439936673;trinque;but I don't hand you a gun first off when teaching you how to shoot
1242852;1439936689;*;trinque bbl
1242853;1439936698;danielpbarron;Varia_Varietatis, write down pass phrase before you type it in, try out key before you register it
1242854;1439936725;jurov;you obviously need to improve your attention span, logs are useful tool
1242855;1439936745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00071385 = 25.0204 BTC [-] {4} 
1242856;1439936754;trinque;danielpbarron: I wouldn't give the guy one-off answers like that
1242857;1439936754;Varia_Varietatis;working on testing my key now but gpg quit asking for my passphrase think i'm doing something wrong
1242858;1439936759;trinque;gotta *READ*
1242859;1439936759;jurov;and if there's mental disability in play oughta figure it out first
1242860;1439936761;trinque;there is no substitute
1242861;1439936780;trinque;and this point must be enforced by L1, imo.
1242862;1439936783;danielpbarron;Varia_Varietatis, and to answer your other question, yes you will need a new nickname and nickserv registration
1242863;1439936810;Varia_Varietatis;Going to do that now.
1242864;1439936888;jurov;BRB HOLD ON, MUST RUN TO GPG
1242865;1439936891;danielpbarron;i should edit the first_steps wiki page to put the log reading part at the top of the list
1242866;1439936901;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1242867;1439936914;shinohai;But really, every time he comes: https://transfer.sh/ABh3C/autism-meter.gif
1242868;1439936915;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TSbeoA )
1242869;1439937027;jurov;i found it more like bipolar than aspie (not to say it can't be both)
1242870;1439937065;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You should have linked the original English version apparently outsourced to Odesk http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/negative-publicity-keeps-miners-away-from-bitcoin-xt/
1242871;1439937067;assbot;Negative Publicity Keeps Miners Away from Bitcoin XT - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li9DRC )
1242872;1439937095;shinohai;I saw the Spanish one first BingoBoingo  xD
1242873;1439937171;kakobrekla;i dont think miners are 'boycotting' at all ftr.
1242874;1439937212;danielpbarron;;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
1242875;1439937215;gribble;log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
1242876;1439937284;kakobrekla;problem?
1242877;1439937316;danielpbarron;won't load for me, and now the wiki won't either
1242878;1439937343;jurov;loads fine
1242879;1439937365;kakobrekla;prolly danielpbanned
1242880;1439937422;kakobrekla;pm me your ip i can check
1242881;1439937599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.000732 = 16.836 BTC [+]
1242882;1439937709;kakobrekla;all taken care of.
1242883;1439937738;kakobrekla;i have a rather trigger happy ban hammer
1242884;1439937757;kakobrekla;a warconfig.
1242885;1439938783;BingoBoingo;Better than configwar
1242886;1439938879;danielpbarron;the blank dvds i picked up today are the wrong kind.. why is + vs - still a thing!?
1242887;1439938908;danielpbarron;is it to get me to walk into the store a 2nd time 50% of the time?
1242888;1439938941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.000732 = 8.967 BTC [+]
1242889;1439938998;danielpbarron;meanwhile i'm trying to remember how I last got a gentoo-live thing on a flash drive
1242890;1439939718;BingoBoingo;Did you install to the drive?
1242891;1439939916;danielpbarron;no, there's supposed to be a way to copy the contents of the .iso to the flash drive
1242892;1439939918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00070467 = 26.1785 BTC [-] {2} 
1242893;1439940354;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Well you have to make sure it is copying over as the right filesystem then. I forget what it's called that has an actual disk filesystem layered over the CD iso, but probably that is missing
1242894;1439940471;danielpbarron;gotta mount the iso and copy the stuff inside into a specially created disk image file
1242895;1439940610;trinque;danielpbarron: use my thing!
1242896;1439940629;trinque;!s deedbot.org/genbootstrap
1242897;1439940630;assbot;0 results for 'deedbot.org/genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot.org%2Fgenbootstrap
1242898;1439940632;trinque;fucker
1242899;1439940636;trinque;!s genbootstrap
1242900;1439940636;assbot;2 results for 'genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genbootstrap
1242901;1439940645;trinque;wat...
1242902;1439940693;trinque;danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239184
1242903;1439940693;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig
1242904;1439940701;BingoBoingo;!s genitalstrap
1242905;1439940702;assbot;0 results for 'genitalstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genitalstrap
1242906;1439940713;trinque;relevant logs thereafter
1242907;1439940725;shinohai;I tried, builds lovely filesystem, doesn't write it to .img
1242908;1439940734;trinque;er... yeah it does
1242909;1439940738;trinque;or how did you have the filesystem
1242910;1439940746;trinque;it mounts a loop device at "build"
1242911;1439940756;shinohai;yup it mounted device fine
1242912;1439940758;danielpbarron;doesn't that create the final thing? i'm trying to create the flash installer
1242913;1439940771;trinque;there's no "installer" for gentoo that I'm aware of
1242914;1439940777;trinque;the livecd is just another gentoo system
1242915;1439940783;danielpbarron;that's what i mean
1242916;1439940792;danielpbarron;livecd on flash drive
1242917;1439940797;trinque;yar, this will do that
1242918;1439940804;trinque;you need to change two things
1242919;1439940836;trinque;blank out the value for IMAGE and set BLKDEV to the device in /dev for your drive
1242920;1439940843;trinque;being careful of course that you have the right one...
1242921;1439940936;trinque;danielpbarron: the script is written to be read and edited to personal fit
1242922;1439941044;danielpbarron;gah, better off doing that straight to a hard drive i think
1242923;1439941051;trinque;either way.
1242924;1439941073;trinque;it uses genkernel, so it has the livecd's hardware detection
1242925;1439941137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00070217 = 36.3366 BTC [-] {3} 
1242926;1439941184;trinque;VariaVarietatis: why do you need voice to read logs?
1242927;1439941225;shinohai;kek
1242928;1439941226;BingoBoingo;^
1242929;1439941299;trinque;danielpbarron: lemme know how your experience goes; and shinohai I thought you had bad ram or something
1242930;1439941320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24678 @ 0.00072565 = 17.9076 BTC [+] {3} 
1242931;1439941358;Adlai;congratulations alphabetmike and threeletteragencygavin, you've self-excommunicated me to the second foundation
1242932;1439941368;Adlai;so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing?
1242933;1439941413;Adlai;(or do i need to make a third foundation with ben_vulpes and trinque and phf and all the other lispers)
1242934;1439941618;trinque;I only know of one legitimate bitcoin foundation
1242935;1439941635;trinque;(ey satoshi, get in the WoT!)
1242936;1439941637;thestringpuller;Adlai: interesting...there is no lisp client that I can find.
1242937;1439941686;*;Adlai wrote his own secp256k1 group operations, isn't all the rest supposed to write itself?
1242938;1439941696;trinque;Adlai: did you make a shithub?
1242939;1439941708;trinque;I hear that site writes your code for you
1242940;1439941725;Adlai;sorta?
1242941;1439941761;Adlai;disclaimer: most of this code was written by some pseudonymous tardstalk mathemagician... https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl
1242942;1439941762;assbot;adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpu9lX )
1242943;1439941779;*;Adlai only [re]wrote secp256k1.lisp
1242944;1439941800;trinque;neat
1242945;1439941954;trinque;"base autism" << bwahaha wut
1242946;1439941981;Adlai;aha. what does the test test?
1242947;1439942037;Adlai;cf https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/blob/master/secp256k1.lisp#L65
1242948;1439942039;assbot;bip0032sbcl/secp256k1.lisp at master · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgiGPk )
1242949;1439942040;kakobrekla;;;ticker
1242950;1439942043;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 175.84656934, Bid-ask spread: -28.40343, Last trade: 187.25, 24 hour volume: 50551.56244909, 24 hour low: 225.03, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None
1242951;1439942044;mircea_popescu;!up olol
1242952;1439942046;mircea_popescu;!up fkhan
1242953;1439942055;Adlai;!t m s.mpoe
1242954;1439942055;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00069186 / 0.00072023 / 0.00076057 (2019005 shares, 1,454.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00057936 / 0.0006804 / 0.0007991 (12557623 shares, 8,544.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057265 / 0.0007991 (83883070 shares, 48,036.33 BTC)
1242955;1439942079;kakobrekla; 175 on bfx
1242956;1439942081;Adlai;so close to breaking 80ksat :(
1242957;1439942086;*;BingoBoingo thinks BIP 14 user agent string when paired with therealbitcoin have serious potential for lulz
1242958;1439942102;mircea_popescu;<Adlai> so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing? << get stator/rotor going, is a start.
1242959;1439942107;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's in the pipeline
1242960;1439942118;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: atm tabled from lack of anyone asking for it
1242961;1439942168;Adlai;mircea_popescu: thank you, i have found this signal but there's so much noise. working my way through it, trolling a little on the side because trinque apparently skipped number theory class
1242962;1439942170;mircea_popescu;bid-ask spread NEGATIVE ?
1242963;1439942174;mircea_popescu;what the fuck lol
1242964;1439942176;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 72 connections on dulap
1242965;1439942185;asciilifeform;need moar nodez!
1242966;1439942187;mircea_popescu;bitfinexoinica!
1242967;1439942202;trinque;Adlai: I'm over here reading your code, you cunt.
1242968;1439942227;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cool. It's one of those little pieces which seems to be holding up things like the getpeerinfo call. One of the things keeping my on my personal 0.7 fork. I find myself adjusting my user agent probably a couple times a week now for the chuckles
1242969;1439942251;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1242970;1439942252;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 193.59607986, Bid-ask spread: -10.65392, Last trade: 180.17251972, 24 hour volume: 72150.16277429, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None
1242971;1439942256;*;Adlai gets that warm fuzzy feeling, like how you hit your elbow when somebody thinks of you, but geekier
1242972;1439942263;trinque;and I skipped all the classes, so you'll have to try harder than that.
1242973;1439942265;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1242974;1439942265;mircea_popescu;;;ticker from some exchange that's not shit
1242975;1439942271;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 223.71, vol: 15951.47102033 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.0, vol: 8456.85296 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 180.74439559, vol: 72150.16277429 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 46.91052349 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.160764, vol: 19158.45630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 199.34967, vol: 682.84999191 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.7403, vol: 128.65959276 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1242976;1439942272;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
1242977;1439942272;BingoBoingo;;;more
1242978;1439942272;gribble;average: 198.673495278
1242979;1439942278;Adlai;trinque: sure but you probably got paper at the end
1242980;1439942293;mircea_popescu;so bitfinex finally does the thing it was supposed to to and "cause panic" ?
1242981;1439942295;Adlai;thus all the classes you skipped don't count and your deadbeat dropout status is revoked
1242982;1439942301;mircea_popescu;pity all the gunpowder's wet bois.
1242983;1439942314;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hhiun/block_number_370434_first_block_with_a_version << ??
1242984;1439942315;assbot;Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )
1242985;1439942330;BingoBoingo;Fuck, why couldn't potential fiat revenue stream actualize last month.
1242986;1439942332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didn't bingo run >9k version for a whiole ?
1242987;1439942336;trinque;Adlai: no, I skipped *all* the classes.
1242988;1439942337;Adlai;asciilifeform: doesn't slush lets any shmuck with a spondongle specify version numbers?
1242989;1439942360;mircea_popescu;Adlai right. redditards, "FIRST APPLE TREE!111 FOUND IT IN MY GARDEN!"
1242990;1439942366;Adlai;BingoBoingo: so you could realize losses for FY2015
1242991;1439942369;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Client version not block version
1242992;1439942381;mircea_popescu;o
1242993;1439942382;BingoBoingo;Adlai: So I could add to the horde
1242994;1439942401;Adlai;what horde, i thought they were all lost in a tragic mining accident
1242995;1439942402;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'd have to mine to do block version.
1242996;1439942410;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Who knows anymore
1242997;1439942418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00073054 = 28.4545 BTC [+] {4} 
1242998;1439942422;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: first 'i-suck-hearn-cock' block mined
1242999;1439942426;mircea_popescu;anyway, the bitfinex + kraken thing is pretty memorable lol.
1243000;1439942464;mircea_popescu;exactly what that guy told satoshi the plan's gonna be, back on the original list in 2009. "they'll invent fake btc, trade it and it will "go down".
1243001;1439942469;BingoBoingo;!up EPiSKiNG-
1243002;1439942489;asciilifeform;invent fake btc, trade - same algo as with metals
1243003;1439942493;mircea_popescu;all the derps "buying" "cheap" bitcoin on the scams in question (bitfinex, kraken) remember : it's not yours until you send it to your offsite wallet.
1243004;1439942497;Adlai;"fake btc" -_-
1243005;1439942512;mircea_popescu;Adlai like mtgox btc./
1243006;1439942516;Adlai;fake btc (unlike the real thing) exists solely in the mind of its bagholders
1243007;1439942529;asciilifeform;entirely possible that sell flood of entirely genuine btc
1243008;1439942532;Adlai;mtgox were semifake, you could trade them about
1243009;1439942539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah.
1243010;1439942544;asciilifeform;n00bs collective pant pissing
1243011;1439942547;asciilifeform;'hearn finally killed'
1243012;1439942550;Adlai;actually yah, and it'd be the best thing to ever happen to btc
1243013;1439942554;asciilifeform;*killed us
1243014;1439942562;mircea_popescu;lol right.
1243015;1439942571;Adlai;(second to satoshi spending directly to mpex)
1243016;1439942582;mircea_popescu;how would that be great ? that'd be miserable.
1243017;1439942584;Adlai;((without creating an account))
1243018;1439942596;asciilifeform;https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d
1243019;1439942598;assbot;Bitcoin Block #370434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpwg9a )
1243020;1439942622;Adlai;!rate asciilifeform -42 still uses blockchain.info
1243021;1439942622;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
1243022;1439942635;asciilifeform;Adlai: what do you use ?
1243023;1439942649;Adlai;webbtc.com (or blocktrail.com for unconfirmed)
1243024;1439942659;Adlai;or better yet, a fucking node
1243025;1439942668;trinque;Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics
1243026;1439942676;asciilifeform;Adlai: your node puts txes in a graphical viewer thing ?
1243027;1439942679;mircea_popescu;yeah since the tools alf dropped nodes are actually much more usable for ths
1243028;1439942689;asciilifeform;~could~ be usable
1243029;1439942692;asciilifeform;if someone wrote a tool
1243030;1439942698;asciilifeform;that ACTUALLY DOES WHAT bci does
1243031;1439942701;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1243032;1439942702;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EP77FW.txt )
1243033;1439942707;asciilifeform;and not 'aha yes equivalent'
1243034;1439942711;mircea_popescu;just dumping the block
1243035;1439942715;BingoBoingo;bci still runs version 7-ish
1243036;1439942718;Adlai;asciilifeform: please elaborate on exactly which "graphical viewer thing" bci does that no other explorer does
1243037;1439942727;Adlai;BingoBoingo: false, they run version j-ish
1243038;1439942732;trinque;stamp just popped back up to 234
1243039;1439942751;BingoBoingo;sure?
1243040;1439942755;asciilifeform;Adlai: for one thing, not being slow as fuck
1243041;1439942760;asciilifeform;(like both of the items you linked)
1243042;1439942761;mircea_popescu;trinque i for one am very curious how bitfinex is going to settle all the buyers.
1243043;1439942763;BingoBoingo;Anyways Adlai I thought you were J-ish
1243044;1439942770;mircea_popescu;kraken not so much, nobody uses the scammy pos
1243045;1439942779;mircea_popescu;but somehow a buncha derps failed to read the memo re bitfinex.
1243046;1439942780;asciilifeform;Adlai: for another thing, ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FUCKING VERSION
1243047;1439942785;Adlai;asciilifeform: tradeblock.com/blockchain
1243048;1439942786;asciilifeform;Adlai: 'webbtc.com' does NOT
1243049;1439942803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the version is in the block as spit out, what gfx do you need ?
1243050;1439942805;Adlai;webbtc.com uses ruby, it sucks, i know, i like them because they run scripts on demand
1243051;1439942819;asciilifeform;Adlai: where is the version !!
1243052;1439942827;Adlai;tx? block? node?
1243053;1439942833;asciilifeform;Adlai: blokc.
1243054;1439942834;mircea_popescu;block we're discussing
1243055;1439942838;asciilifeform;and i don't even see a list of blocks
1243056;1439942858;asciilifeform;srsly this is ~loathesome~ habit of open source folks, linking to a gimp when i need to take a photoshit
1243057;1439942864;asciilifeform;it is NOT THE SAME !!1111
1243058;1439942869;asciilifeform;don't lie and say 'same'.
1243059;1439942875;trinque;but how are we to in-group signal?
1243060;1439942880;asciilifeform;signal with farts.
1243061;1439942886;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?!
1243062;1439942898;Adlai;wow, webbtc really is slow right now
1243063;1439942922;asciilifeform;and yes, bci is a loathesome usg-operated item, sure.
1243064;1439942944;asciilifeform;but it won't die on account of anyone pretending that xyz five-minutes-of-perl piece of shit is 'equal'
1243065;1439942978;*;Adlai has yet to find an explorer, other than local-node-and-neurons, that provides http://webbtc.com/script/3617d2d6991ee2684eee12fca16fe041cde7eaceab527b855c014dbdae7a7731:0
1243066;1439942979;assbot;Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Debug Script Execution ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jgkd7Y )
1243067;1439942981;*;asciilifeform reveals, to no one's great surprise, that he is voicing years of frustration with the entire 'open src' world in this thread, not merely bci-replacements.
1243068;1439942991;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?
1243069;1439942991;asciilifeform;Adlai: except i didn't ~need~ that
1243070;1439943003;asciilifeform;Adlai: i needed ~clickable block viewer that shows version~
1243071;1439943004;Adlai;well fuck me i'm here to give you what you don't need
1243072;1439943088;*;Adlai goes work on his http://www.dorodango.com/create.html
1243073;1439943089;assbot;dorodango | create ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgklV1 )
1243074;1439943112;mircea_popescu;a) dude wtf, gimp is the worst example for this, srsly ; b) your own block dump thing actually works for the purpose you discussed, chillax already ; c) there are all sorts of block explorers, yes. it'd be nice if one day someone makes the blockdump one we discussed but that's about it.
1243075;1439943134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is actually the best example. of a proggy which naive folks suggest 'will do all the same things'
1243076;1439943161;mircea_popescu;that's not the suggestion. what's said is that gimp is like lisp : if what you want to do can't be done in gimp iot's because you're either stupid or stupid.
1243077;1439943176;mircea_popescu;ie, want to do something that shouldn't be done, or can't figure out how to find someone's pre-made lisp script
1243078;1439943186;mircea_popescu;(yes, gimp trivially works on lisp)
1243079;1439943198;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: go and tell this to a pro artist who has a 14-bit pressure and gyroscopic sensor 'wacom' drawing tablet that pays his rent.
1243080;1439943202;asciilifeform;that does not work with gimp.
1243081;1439943206;mircea_popescu;it's current;ly the only practical application i (or ANYONE ELSE, given that eulora challenge) have for lisp
1243082;1439943212;asciilifeform;it or the 1,001 affine transform items it needs
1243083;1439943237;mircea_popescu;"artist" using "drawing tablet" is retarded by definition.
1243084;1439943278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet an actual pro or semi pro who draws with mice
1243085;1439943282;asciilifeform;or still draws with ink and scanner
1243086;1439943284;mircea_popescu;it is roughly the equivalent of a "really professional chess player" who plays chess in the dark and moving the pieces with his asshole.
1243087;1439943288;asciilifeform;mno
1243088;1439943289;mircea_popescu;isn't he elite!!1
1243089;1439943291;asciilifeform;that'd be the OTHERS
1243090;1439943293;asciilifeform;without tablet.
1243091;1439943296;mircea_popescu;mice ? wtf.
1243092;1439943298;asciilifeform;moving pieces with arse.
1243093;1439943301;mircea_popescu;you draw with the fucking pencil.
1243094;1439943312;asciilifeform;go vectorize that.
1243095;1439943321;asciilifeform;or what, vector does not exist, aha ?
1243096;1439943329;asciilifeform;all graphics are no larger than sheet of paper ?
1243097;1439943336;asciilifeform;or metre-tall pixels are ok on billboard
1243098;1439943338;mircea_popescu;so wait. "wacom doesn't work" is an objection to gimp,
1243099;1439943345;mircea_popescu;but "vector is hard" is an argument pro ps ?
1243100;1439943348;asciilifeform;it is for the man who doesn't program device drivers.
1243101;1439943351;mircea_popescu;how about backwards!
1243102;1439943355;asciilifeform;and you can't vectorize a pencil
1243103;1439943357;asciilifeform;not via machine anyway
1243104;1439943368;mircea_popescu;fact that wacom doesn't work with software means you can go fuck it, and fact that vectors are hard means you're still better off with gimp
1243105;1439943374;mircea_popescu;at least you can SCRIPT IT
1243106;1439943393;asciilifeform;the man who can program in scheme, can script it.
1243107;1439943400;mircea_popescu;the man who can't hires one.
1243108;1439943400;asciilifeform;and the artsy fella ?
1243109;1439943404;asciilifeform;hires, l0l
1243110;1439943407;asciilifeform;on artist's wages ?
1243111;1439943412;mircea_popescu;so your artist IS retarded after all.
1243112;1439943416;asciilifeform;of course.
1243113;1439943421;mircea_popescu;not only he spent his money on something thar doesn't work
1243114;1439943425;mircea_popescu;but it was his last money, too.
1243115;1439943432;asciilifeform;i can already picture the conversation:
1243116;1439943504;asciilifeform;cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.'  cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family'  mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
1243117;1439943561;asciilifeform;before anyone laughs, this approach has much to recommend it
1243118;1439943566;asciilifeform;and in fact is sop in 'open source' world
1243119;1439943571;asciilifeform;when dealing with civilians.
1243120;1439943573;trinque;too late, laughed.
1243121;1439943579;mircea_popescu;get the fuck outta here omfg!
1243122;1439943585;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts everybody here has applied precisely this formula, and in fact no other is known.
1243123;1439943617;BingoBoingo;!b 8
1243124;1439943617;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33021HJ.txt )
1243125;1439943623;mircea_popescu;i call bullshit. brb while i prove it.
1243126;1439943626;trinque;I mean to be fair, what the man's saying is that gimp has a scripting layer
1243127;1439943628;trinque;makes total sense
1243128;1439943636;trinque;jack your wacom into that or what?
1243129;1439943637;asciilifeform;it does!
1243130;1439943641;asciilifeform;lovely scripting layer, too
1243131;1439943655;asciilifeform;and for all i know, somebody ported wacom to it in last 7 or what years since i last cared
1243132;1439943666;mircea_popescu;so basically you admit you got nothing.
1243133;1439943677;mircea_popescu;good, saves me from fishing out that file setting up a challenge.
1243134;1439943678;*;BingoBoingo still arts with oil paints
1243135;1439943693;asciilifeform;can find other hardware that is pro sop and not supported by any reasonable open package
1243136;1439943710;mircea_popescu;YOU CAN FIND A FUYCKING BROOM
1243137;1439943713;asciilifeform;e.g., laboratory robotics
1243138;1439943716;mircea_popescu;hardware that doesn't work doesn't work
1243139;1439943716;asciilifeform;no open anything.
1243140;1439943721;mircea_popescu;this is not to be excused in software.
1243141;1439943731;mircea_popescu;wtf bs is this!
1243142;1439943737;asciilifeform;hardware without which job isn't done - must work. even if operator has to fellate obama.
1243143;1439943739;asciilifeform;which - he will.
1243144;1439943742;mircea_popescu;no.
1243145;1439943749;asciilifeform;or changes jobs
1243146;1439943752;asciilifeform;(as i did)
1243147;1439943753;mircea_popescu;no bad piece of hardware is required by anyone but idiots.
1243148;1439943762;mircea_popescu;period and full fucking stop, there isn't even what to discuss here.
1243149;1439943768;mircea_popescu;all that can be done is repeating nonsense reddit style.
1243150;1439943776;mircea_popescu;"oh noes, how about cabbie". pshhhh
1243151;1439943779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll bite. find me a mass spectrometer with fully open specs
1243152;1439943783;asciilifeform;or for that matter, GPU!
1243153;1439943785;asciilifeform;eulora.
1243154;1439943800;Adlai;penny for an emacs client?
1243155;1439943809;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-07-2015#1216134
1243156;1439943809;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 04:41:23; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.
1243157;1439943821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3542 @ 0.00071853 = 2.545 BTC [-]
1243158;1439943828;mircea_popescu;this is still not a "ps is good" thing.
1243159;1439943834;asciilifeform;and yes, ~we~ know why this is so. but civilian does not, and blames 'crappy open crap'
1243160;1439943843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not good thing. but it is a jail
1243161;1439943856;mircea_popescu;completely ungermane spurious argument is orthogonal!
1243162;1439943860;mircea_popescu;da fuck do i care what jwz blames.
1243163;1439943876;mircea_popescu;"oh i really just want my computer to just work hurr"
1243164;1439943877;asciilifeform;pointing out that this is not one of those jails which disappears if you stop believing in it
1243165;1439943881;asciilifeform;and yes, they do.
1243166;1439943893;mircea_popescu;has nothing to do with belief.
1243167;1439943909;mircea_popescu;ps turns out, without excewption, in all cases, inferior work, BECAUSE IT SUCKS. it. irretrievably, it ruins work.
1243168;1439943912;asciilifeform;they want their spectrometer/chromatograph/triaxial robot/etc/... to work.
1243169;1439943914;mircea_popescu;and has, for 10-15 years now.
1243170;1439943929;mircea_popescu;claiming otherwise because you got your sexual advances turned down by a mass spectrometer is nuts.
1243171;1439943943;trinque;relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did!
1243172;1439943944;mircea_popescu;neither jwz nor mass spectrometers nor anything else has any bearing here.
1243173;1439943944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it sure does suck. like most of the turdalicious offerings. but it is a mistake to suppose that folks use it on account of not having been woken up to the existing alternative
1243174;1439943952;mircea_popescu;not in THIS case
1243175;1439943960;mircea_popescu;which is why i said it's the worst example you could have come up with
1243176;1439943962;trinque;did not bitch "oh but it didn't work out of the box"
1243177;1439943964;*;asciilifeform may be missing something here
1243178;1439943971;mircea_popescu;in the ps-gimp case, the only reason is strictly user being an imbecile.
1243179;1439943991;mircea_popescu;yeah, you're missing the something where gimp is pretty much the only foss success in the actual marketplace.
1243180;1439944000;mircea_popescu;ie, it saves man-hours. many. many many man hours.
1243181;1439944003;mircea_popescu;that and fucking blender.
1243182;1439944011;asciilifeform;blender, incidentally, was ransomed.
1243183;1439944015;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1243184;1439944024;asciilifeform;possibly the greatest antisuccess, from that pov.
1243185;1439944032;mircea_popescu;being run by a bunch of incredibly idiotic idiots, yes. but still.
1243186;1439944041;asciilifeform;in that it began life as an ordinary commercial package, written by folks who worked for a living
1243187;1439944044;mircea_popescu;the software itself is os, and it does work.
1243188;1439944058;asciilifeform;is today, yes.
1243189;1439944063;mircea_popescu;this is what we're discussing
1243190;1439944065;asciilifeform;was ransomed, for, iirc, 800K usd.
1243191;1439944079;*;asciilifeform does not use blender with any regularity and cannot comment further
1243192;1439944081;mircea_popescu;i don'trecall, but maybe cvut a digit. anyway, hgow is this related ?
1243193;1439944105;asciilifeform;related in the sense that it is not 'ethnically open source'
1243194;1439944111;mircea_popescu;...
1243195;1439944120;asciilifeform;was born under conditions that are not available in the 'open source' world.
1243196;1439944123;mircea_popescu;and you're not ethnically a programmer.
1243197;1439944128;mircea_popescu;wtf nonsense is this.
1243198;1439944132;asciilifeform;in precisely that sense
1243199;1439944150;mircea_popescu;there isn't a nation called "Programmer".
1243200;1439944173;asciilifeform;there almost is, and it is the one pictured in sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools'
1243201;1439944188;asciilifeform;(mega-b00k, recommended to all)
1243202;1439944192;BingoBoingo;<trinque> relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did! << Promised the same for OpenBSD, but...
1243203;1439944225;trinque;can't speak to that, but the guy got himself booted, through X and a DE, so I can dig that.
1243204;1439944236;mircea_popescu;anyway. yes usg can be rejected just by rejecting it. no, there aren't places where this actually hurts one. yes if one perceives to be hurt it's because one did something stupid in the past he'll have to undo. no this isn't anyone else's problem and no this calls for no sympathy.
1243205;1439944266;asciilifeform;this is entirely true
1243206;1439944274;asciilifeform;but the 'stupid move' can be - the choice of profession.
1243207;1439944289;mircea_popescu;only if the "profession" is saomethiong like "pop star",
1243208;1439944292;mircea_popescu;ie, not a profession.
1243209;1439944300;asciilifeform;or vector artist.
1243210;1439944305;mircea_popescu;mno.
1243211;1439944307;asciilifeform;or spectrometer user.
1243212;1439944312;mircea_popescu;neither.
1243213;1439944325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: be so kind as to describe what the mass spec user ought to be doing
1243214;1439944327;mircea_popescu;and don't start with "gimme free stuff in very ellaborate detail of compelx usage".
1243215;1439944330;asciilifeform;to escape from shitblows
1243216;1439944346;mircea_popescu;buy spectrometer, 2nd hand. reverse it or pay for it be reversed. run it on sane computer.
1243217;1439944347;asciilifeform;let's work this gedankenexample?
1243218;1439944364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and pay to have sane computer produced ?
1243219;1439944368;mircea_popescu;useful life of the tool is 30 years +, so. you get to "break it in" for a few months first.
1243220;1439944397;mircea_popescu;a "sane-indistinct" computer can be had for the task as defined, out of shelf parts.
1243221;1439944435;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu perhaps did not think that usg could be any moar retarded than it looks already, but here is a mega-secret: a great many (most?) u.s. laboratories have personnel empowered to purchase materiel (e.g., spectrometer) but not ever hire anyone.
1243222;1439944449;asciilifeform;hence no reverser.
1243223;1439944456;mircea_popescu;i do nopt care about the problems of tribes in africa.
1243224;1439944457;mircea_popescu;why do you ?
1243225;1439944458;asciilifeform;except when one appears by accident (as my old job)
1243226;1439944462;asciilifeform;because i live there.
1243227;1439944465;mircea_popescu;move.
1243228;1439944485;mircea_popescu;africa is not something that can be fixed. it's what the word "africa" means.
1243229;1439944489;asciilifeform;[insert link to 1,001 pertinent threads here]
1243230;1439944499;mircea_popescu;"broken beyond repair" in african.
1243231;1439944506;asciilifeform;^^
1243232;1439944508;asciilifeform;!b 4
1243233;1439944509;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24K3JSP.txt )
1243234;1439944584;*;asciilifeform is not presently at all convinced that non-africa piece of the planet needs him for anything
1243235;1439944595;*;asciilifeform or at least anything involving mass spectrometers, rather than knife sharpeners
1243236;1439944601;mircea_popescu;i imagine poor alf mother was in it for a 3 week labour
1243237;1439944607;asciilifeform;l0l
1243238;1439944609;mircea_popescu;until they could convince the infant that indeed he is "needed" outside.
1243239;1439944614;mircea_popescu;because that's the criteria nao.
1243240;1439944680;asciilifeform;'every sperm is wanted! every sperm is good. every sperm is needed! in your neighbourhood!' (tm) (r) (montypython)
1243241;1439944734;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can appreciate the part where usg is there to give money to "compensate" the retarded kids that didn't reverse their spectrometer and so ended up with X loss tjhrough any of thbe multiple avenues. and i can appreciate how this makes lazy people manifest thjeir lazy.
1243242;1439944756;asciilifeform;well yes, this is the pons asinorum of why microshit is even a thing
1243243;1439944766;mircea_popescu;but this is not your concern!
1243244;1439944780;mircea_popescu;you don't do the right things TO be paid. you do them BECAUSE they're the right things.
1243245;1439944780;asciilifeform;when it was my concern, i sat and reversed.
1243246;1439944788;asciilifeform;and yes, Right Thing.
1243247;1439944789;mircea_popescu;yes the world should work correctly. but whether it does or does not is not your fucking problem.
1243248;1439944791;asciilifeform;precisely that.
1243249;1439944808;asciilifeform;but it ~is~ my problem when the sword is over my personal neck.
1243250;1439944817;mircea_popescu;because why, you'll die anyway.
1243251;1439944827;asciilifeform;'die another day' (tm)
1243252;1439944839;mircea_popescu;if you die you sleep ad libitum, alfie.
1243253;1439944844;asciilifeform;mm
1243254;1439944846;trinque;!b 3
1243255;1439944846;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25NF31V.txt )
1243256;1439944853;trinque;aw, missed
1243257;1439944903;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!
1243258;1439944903;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1243259;1439944965;Adlai;sleep ad libitum, but perchance - dream
1243260;1439944980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100215 @ 0.00073235 = 73.3925 BTC [+] {5} 
1243261;1439944980;mircea_popescu;"and through reversing, end them ?"
1243262;1439945058;Adlai;indeed, bitcoin is only worth anything because it's maximally irreversible
1243263;1439945159;Adlai;!v assbot:Adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:1feac6383761210b4d44f65b92583e1a4f173ca424045f61b09c86fbdc378dab
1243264;1439945160;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: speare shaker
1243265;1439945174;mircea_popescu;o.O
1243266;1439945186;trinque;did nobody get my erdos meth joke?
1243267;1439945189;trinque;sad day
1243268;1439945192;mircea_popescu;i did not!
1243269;1439945202;trinque;haha
1243270;1439945219;mircea_popescu;<trinque> Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics < ?
1243271;1439945229;asciilifeform;trinque: as far as is publicly known, erdos took dextroamphetamine rather than meth
1243272;1439945236;asciilifeform;!up Bingo_VACAY
1243273;1439945245;trinque;mircea_popescu: haha that was the one
1243274;1439945250;trinque;asciilifeform: ah, my mistake
1243275;1439945260;Bingo_VACAY;Knocked offline weather
1243276;1439945263;mircea_popescu;you'll have to explain it to me.
1243277;1439945263;asciilifeform;trinque: to be fair, i was not there, heard secondhand
1243278;1439945286;Bingo_VACAY;I need moar batteries
1243279;1439945309;trinque;mircea_popescu: fella just seemed excited
1243280;1439945336;mircea_popescu;don't quit the dayjob eh.
1243281;1439945339;Adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/29GT0N5.txt
1243282;1439945340;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E45y3N )
1243283;1439945340;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1243284;1439945423;danielpbarron;trinque, your script references a .tar.bz2 file that no longer exists, and it assumes I already have the gpg public key that signed the digest file
1243285;1439945439;Adlai;trinque: if "erdos method" means hopped up on speed couchsurfing through the wot, i'd be honored but a little overplaying my character
1243286;1439945440;trinque;yar, in the subsequent logs there's mention that it needs to be changed to the latest stage3
1243287;1439945448;trinque;Adlai: twas just an idle joke sir
1243288;1439945454;Adlai;but someday!
1243289;1439945480;*;trinque also enjoys the latest deed
1243290;1439945493;Adlai;all this requires is that a sufficient percentage of the wot settle in harm-reducing jurisdictia
1243291;1439945513;trinque;this being which?
1243292;1439945521;Adlai;which this being which what?
1243293;1439945525;trinque;whaaha
1243294;1439945527;Bingo_VACAY;Someday I won't irc on 3g because Thor decided to be a USG bitch
1243295;1439945528;*;trinque departs for a bit
1243296;1439945567;Adlai;get some sleep trinque, your antecedents are out of contrel
1243297;1439945662;trinque;danielpbarron: yours + 2 is my response, might've gotten overlooked
1243298;1439946095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious on what planet it is sop to have the mass spectrometer reversed and enlinuxed. because i'd like to move to that planet. instead of here, where, as of five minutes ago, my mailbox was NOT deluged with offers of vast riches (or even paid rent) for reversing laboratory instruments.
1243299;1439946122;mircea_popescu;no meatwot eh ? :)
1243300;1439946123;asciilifeform;on the planet where i live, owners of such items suck usg cock, WITHOUT EXCEPTION
1243301;1439946151;asciilifeform;i dun think this particular wot exists.
1243302;1439946157;mircea_popescu;meta nsa no more ?
1243303;1439946158;asciilifeform;or at least it creates no evidence of its existence
1243304;1439946164;asciilifeform;meta nsa makes own spectrometer.
1243305;1439946166;asciilifeform;out of pure thought.
1243306;1439946172;mircea_popescu;i c
1243307;1439946235;asciilifeform;or, more realistic, when really needs an 'open' instrument, hires away the designer
1243308;1439946342;mircea_popescu;one "really needs" an open instrument like one really needs a trustworthy wife.
1243309;1439946345;mircea_popescu;all the time without exception.
1243310;1439946454;*;Adlai thinks asciilifeform's attitude is only correct in the pre-scarcity world
1243311;1439946467;Adlai;someday all the designers will be dead, and all the instruments rusted
1243312;1439946468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with instruments, it is more of 'do you want the crack whore who fucks 10,001 sailors monthly or the standard whore who fucks 101 engineers'
1243313;1439946502;asciilifeform;Adlai: i already live in the world where designers are (largely) dead and the instruments are getting only more rusted
1243314;1439946527;mircea_popescu;yet magically no one's trying to do anything. somehow.
1243315;1439946536;*;asciilifeform has been known to.
1243316;1439946541;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform often times i look around at this retarded place and i feel i live in the future us.
1243317;1439946553;mircea_popescu;it's very instructive.
1243318;1439946558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'know, future us, past us, all the same from the dirigible, no ?
1243319;1439946566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00072323 = 39.1991 BTC [-]
1243320;1439946567;mircea_popescu;the precious little they do right, they do by thoughtlessly following tradition.
1243321;1439946573;mircea_popescu;everything else ... it's beyond words.
1243322;1439946575;asciilifeform;as with any pesthole
1243323;1439946589;mircea_popescu;nah, i'd love a future us atm.
1243324;1439946589;asciilifeform;iirc uncle al described it as 'running on fumes'
1243325;1439946595;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
1243326;1439946628;asciilifeform;and yet, my phone did not ring today, with argentinian master of spectrometer who wants linuxification
1243327;1439946681;asciilifeform;nor is the firm where i work deluged with argentinian inquiries re: samples of virii
1243328;1439946688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203508 @ 0.00072323 = 147.1831 BTC [-]
1243329;1439946689;mircea_popescu;i would be much surprised if there's an argentinian who even knows what to do wit hone.
1243330;1439946696;asciilifeform;so no r&d.
1243331;1439946698;mircea_popescu;except, of course, for the obvious : TAKE FACEBOOK PICTUREWS NEXT TO IT!
1243332;1439946711;mircea_popescu;no r&d ? no secondary education.
1243333;1439946721;asciilifeform;thing is, this largely describes the u.s.
1243334;1439946725;mircea_popescu;quite.
1243335;1439946735;asciilifeform;but in the entire thing there is, dissolved, the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 soviet 'postbox' r&d towns
1243336;1439946743;asciilifeform;i kinda assumed this is also true in ar.
1243337;1439946746;mircea_popescu;maybe there. not here.
1243338;1439946752;mircea_popescu;here "r&d" is xapo.
1243339;1439946759;*;asciilifeform retches
1243340;1439946768;mircea_popescu;the peak of it, at any rate.
1243341;1439946781;*;asciilifeform recalling the story with peron and the jet plane
1243342;1439946790;mircea_popescu;absent another ww they can sit neutral around, they're so fucked zimbabwe looks promising.
1243343;1439946812;asciilifeform;;;google kurt tank
1243344;1439946813;gribble;Kurt Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tank>; Focke-Wulf Ta 152 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152>; Kurt Tank | biography - German aircraft designer and test pilot ...: <http://www.britannica.com/biography/Kurt-Tank>
1243345;1439946990;asciilifeform;http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics
1243346;1439946991;assbot;Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )
1243347;1439947076;mircea_popescu;it's all they got to show for a lot of expenditure.
1243348;1439947080;mircea_popescu;let teh poor ppls enjoy.
1243349;1439947105;*;mircea_popescu still can't wait to see how the bitfinex settlement's gonna work 
1243350;1439947144;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243257 << I may give it a go. Would likely need polishing. Thankfully not that big a gap between first BIP 14 strings and therealBitcoin
1243351;1439947144;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:41:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!
1243352;1439947175;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: remember to use vdiff.sh
1243353;1439947226;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I never had the original diff learned so it should be interesting
1243354;1439947233;mircea_popescu;exciting
1243355;1439947267;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: takes two args, directories a and b, and shits out diff to stdout
1243356;1439947637;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics <<<< Written by: Caleb Chen << used to run the CCN shithole. I'm not convince these are separate concerns
1243357;1439947638;assbot;Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )
1243358;1439947664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55464 @ 0.0007179 = 39.8176 BTC [-]
1243359;1439947705;BingoBoingo;Related filipenis https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/427198
1243360;1439947706;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1E49b9K )
1243361;1439947786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37678 @ 0.0007179 = 27.049 BTC [-]
1243362;1439948082;BingoBoingo;I'm just amazed how much of 2011 and 2012 the Filipenis is bringing back
1243363;1439948599;BingoBoingo;"GeneralLee" is sync'd on home connection again after weather event
1243364;1439948825;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1243365;1439949128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107361 @ 0.00073155 = 78.5399 BTC [+] {3} 
1243366;1439949611;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo basically, their bitfinex broom fired. the once it gets to fire.
1243367;1439949627;mircea_popescu;who the fuck will still use it after this... god knows they were making up most of the volume anyway.
1243368;1439949661;BingoBoingo;Maybe it is a Mosin, they could have  a whole nother 4 to fire
1243369;1439949695;BingoBoingo;2nd or 3rd though prolly get that persistent Gox disconnect
1243370;1439949697;mircea_popescu;i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this.
1243371;1439949713;mircea_popescu;but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200.
1243372;1439949728;mircea_popescu;who's gonna pay, gavin ?
1243373;1439949782;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this. << AMeriPhillipenis
1243374;1439949792;mircea_popescu;right.
1243375;1439949816;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200. << Like Gox they hope noone ever withdraws
1243376;1439949828;mircea_popescu;for all i care the dept of hernia can keep on doing this 300k donation programme to people who've took an obvious shot at 10:1 leverage untill they fall over.
1243377;1439949839;mircea_popescu;they'd get better roi by buying adwords or something, but hey.
1243378;1439950287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00073505 = 25.7268 BTC [+] {3} 
1243379;1439950438;BingoBoingo;Well, reddit didn't do it
1243380;1439950439;scoopbot_revived;Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/
1243381;1439950771;mircea_popescu;lol speaking of bitfines, anyone rememeber "picostocks/100th" anymore ?
1243382;1439950779;BingoBoingo;Of course.
1243383;1439950795;BingoBoingo;One of the early places I spotted Hanbot eating souls
1243384;1439950843;BingoBoingo;"Five Year Old Foot Longs" >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/18/former_subway_spokesman_jared_fogle_reportedly_will_plead_guilty_to_child.html
1243385;1439950844;assbot;Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle reportedly will plead guilty to child porn charges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDYcE8 )
1243386;1439951021;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1243387;1439951022;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.66, Best ask: 235.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 124974.00784124, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None
1243388;1439951026;mircea_popescu;heh.
1243389;1439951069;BingoBoingo;Also, apparently how Qntra climbed from 250,000 to 50,000th place in US traffic while visits slowed http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/08/18/new_york_times_daily_mail_bbc_buzzfeed_why_did_web_traffic_for_world_s_biggest.html
1243390;1439951070;assbot;New York Times, Daily Mail, BBC, BuzzFeed: Why did web traffic for world's biggest publishers drop in April? ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4e2b2 )
1243391;1439951123;mircea_popescu;heh.
1243392;1439951136;mircea_popescu;it's an alrogithm
1243393;1439951206;BingoBoingo;Of course
1243394;1439951253;mats;it falls
1243395;1439951270;thestringpuller;;;nethash
1243396;1439951271;gribble;371977103.291
1243397;1439951273;BingoBoingo;Still a relative increase of 200,000 places on a traffic decling, not bad. Glad fartbook was ignored
1243398;1439951285;mats;im even moar poor than b4
1243399;1439951389;BingoBoingo;I am always both poorer and richer than I have ever been before
1243400;1439951473;*;trinque is eagerly waiting at the sidelines
1243401;1439951475;trinque;FALL MOAR
1243402;1439951490;BingoBoingo;trinque: No, stay up and fall once I have fiat
1243403;1439951879;danielpbarron;i got the iso to boot from a flash drive using something called unetbootin
1243404;1439951899;thestringpuller;the netbooter?
1243405;1439951908;thestringpuller;doesn' tthat thing make a bootstick of any linux?
1243406;1439951995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00070304 = 56.5947 BTC [-] {4} 
1243407;1439952111;danielpbarron;ya
1243408;1439952485;*;asciilifeform would like to know - but does not expect mircea_popescu to say - why mircea_popescu believes the 'cheap' coinz are fictional, rather than panic-sold by the usual folks
1243409;1439952498;mircea_popescu;crossed wire.
1243410;1439952504;asciilifeform;c0sm1c rayz!
1243411;1439952512;mircea_popescu;no. you understand what this means ?
1243412;1439952513;BingoBoingo;Not the first time
1243413;1439952518;mircea_popescu;normally the price goes 10 / 11
1243414;1439952522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently not?
1243415;1439952534;mircea_popescu;when the price goes 10 / 7 it is because the people selling the fake btc do no wish to run their meagre offering into the bids of 10
1243416;1439952549;mircea_popescu;so they fix the "exchange" to not serve bids anymore.
1243417;1439952597;asciilifeform;but serve some, for show ?
1243418;1439952602;mircea_popescu;yes.
1243419;1439952609;mircea_popescu;so as to get the fraudulent price signal out
1243420;1439952613;mircea_popescu;so that maybe others panic.
1243421;1439952636;asciilifeform;shake loose what is not bolted down well, sure.
1243422;1439952646;mircea_popescu;and i expect a sec investigation into bitfinex post haste.
1243423;1439952657;mircea_popescu;unless the sec particularly wants me to run an investigation into IT.,
1243424;1439952666;asciilifeform;10 / 7 is sufficient evidence for this hypothesis? and bitfinex alone originates this gambit ?
1243425;1439952668;mircea_popescu;with the caveat that i run my investigations with people hanging by butcher hooks.
1243426;1439952675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is, yes.
1243427;1439952706;scoopbot_revived;So the broomstick fired. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/
1243428;1439952707;mircea_popescu;that never happens naturally. you gotta do it, much like "bullet shaped hole in head"  is proof someone was shot.
1243429;1439952708;asciilifeform;stimulatingly goxian
1243430;1439952710;mircea_popescu;it's not "a tumor"
1243431;1439952750;asciilifeform;waitasec
1243432;1439952768;asciilifeform;Bid-ask spread: -28.40343 >> isn't that convertible to an arse-mouth system ?
1243433;1439952773;mircea_popescu;doh.
1243434;1439952774;asciilifeform;what prevents this ?
1243435;1439952779;mircea_popescu;see ?
1243436;1439952780;asciilifeform;anyone connect the hose yet?
1243437;1439952800;mircea_popescu;yes. they got shook to the tune of 5-10mn for their sins.
1243438;1439952810;mircea_popescu;and i don't expect them to pay, either.
1243439;1439952864;*;asciilifeform brain melts
1243440;1439952875;mircea_popescu;;;google this is what desperation looks like.
1243441;1439952875;gribble;People Are Desperate To See What Jennifer Aniston's Wedding ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/not-jennifer-anistons-wedding-dress_55d1e3e3e4b055a6dab0bbb0>; Marriage equality opponents show what desperation looks like: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/24/1396082/-Marriage-equality-opponents-show-what-desperation-looks-like>; Now we know what desperation looks like (1 more message)
1243442;1439952893;mircea_popescu;derp. google, learn to serve trilema.
1243443;1439952895;asciilifeform;why would anybody ~do~ that
1243444;1439952908;mircea_popescu;running out of options.
1243445;1439952911;asciilifeform;is this basically a usg equivalent of letting the screwdriver slip and the plutonium hemispheres fall ?
1243446;1439952936;mircea_popescu;yes, provided the population is cockroaches. they expect no negative effects past you know, being more braindamaged than before.w
1243447;1439953084;*;asciilifeform has hard time picturing anyone but a 'bitfinex' insider walking away with those (partially imaginary) arse-mouth-extracted coinz
1243448;1439953116;asciilifeform;said insider being the usg shadow of the org in question
1243449;1439953129;asciilifeform;as with gox
1243450;1439953142;asciilifeform;shadow leaves, takes what there is to take, like the old picture of soul leaving a body
1243451;1439953214;*;BingoBoingo would not be surprised if fiat based exchanges report higher than $317/BTC before September 5th
1243452;1439953245;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: $10. but available as jam-tomorrow victory bondz from usg, naturally.
1243453;1439953259;asciilifeform;in point of fact i am rather surprised that this is not yet a thing
1243454;1439953263;asciilifeform;(at least not publicly)
1243455;1439953297;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, I'm feeling this prediction straight from my friends the testicles
1243456;1439953388;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If this winter made anything clear even USD promise anal rings can't sustain sub $200 BTC
1243457;1439953419;*;asciilifeform has no idea how much sustain-juice is in that tank
1243458;1439953431;asciilifeform;could be litre, could be ocean.
1243459;1439953460;BingoBoingo;No more than Water Buffalo ~400 gallons
1243460;1439953495;BingoBoingo;Reported rates this low always required a Gox
1243461;1439953545;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja miss the part in the thread where it becomes known that someone let slip a wrong button and gave out $int coins for phree ?
1243462;1439953562;hanbot;qntra article cooking in BingoBoingo?
1243463;1439953566;asciilifeform;(rather, paying folks to take'em ?)
1243464;1439953576;BingoBoingo;Of course. Satoshi did the same 2009-Spring 2011
1243465;1439953590;BingoBoingo;hanbot: At least 8 hours from nao
1243466;1439953623;hanbot;water buffalo gestation!
1243467;1439953674;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when i think of water buffalo, i always think of: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/WritingVietnam/readings/tob_true_war.html
1243468;1439953676;assbot;Writing Vietnam - Readings: T. O' Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1TThIOS )
1243469;1439953682;asciilifeform;(first excerpt on page)
1243470;1439953750;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I was refering more to the GI wiLCVfkaLx
1243471;1439953770;asciilifeform;!s wiLCVfkaLx
1243472;1439953771;assbot;0 results for 'wiLCVfkaLx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wiLCVfkaLx
1243473;1439953836;BingoBoingo;www.ebay.com/itm/like/181815242494?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82wiLCVfkaLx
1243474;1439953864;BingoBoingo;http://www.armyproperty.com/Equipment-Info/Pictures/Water-Buffalo.jpg
1243475;1439953865;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTi3B6 )
1243476;1439954374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00073536 = 2.6495 BTC [+]
1243477;1439954422;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/08/att-start-nsa.htm << l0ltr0nic
1243478;1439954423;assbot;Start of ATT Collaboration with NSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTj0JA )
1243479;1439954439;asciilifeform;'Due to the ECI relationship, the technicians for AT&T had to possess a Top Secret security clearance to actually just access the fiber, because they might "accidentally" discover the tap, or discover data being diverted out of the fiber optic multiplexers. By the way, "ECI" means that the company is given a code name to conceal their involvement in illegal activities. For example, AT&T has a code name, MCI has a code name, Sp
1243480;1439954439;asciilifeform;rint has one, and so on. The ECI codename for AT&T is "FAIRVIEW" and also US-990, but pay attention to the US-990 SIGAD code and it tends to indicate when a code and alias was initiated. US-990 dates from the day AT&T was broken up. On that date, each of the "baby bells" was given a ECI codename and SIGAD code name in the manner of that of AT&T.'
1243481;1439954734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unlike http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ et al, they didn't have the presence of mind to actually stop new orders.
1243482;1439954735;assbot;Icbit.se, the bucket shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTjDml )
1243483;1439954740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0007397 = 22.228 BTC [+] {2} 
1243484;1439954741;mircea_popescu;some actual users must have put orders in.
1243485;1439954756;mircea_popescu;but yes, incredibly flaky execution, that's fo sho.
1243486;1439955730;BingoBoingo;!up Jrum
1243487;1439955734;BingoBoingo;!up ericp4
1243488;1439955870;asciilifeform;'As each fiber optic company sought a new undersea cable landing license from the FCC they were required by the NSA to enter into a classified contract with the NSA for TWO access point for each undersea cable. The first access point had to be right at the optical multiplexer which duplicated the optical pulse into the undersea cable, and then a second into a fiber optic cable that fed NSA gear. Then, behind the multiplexer an
1243489;1439955870;asciilifeform;d the switching systems a second access point where the signals exited the cable station to enter the AT&T, Sprint, MCI, etc backbones.'
1243490;1439956058;asciilifeform;(whole thing recommended reading)
1243491;1439956287;BingoBoingo;So moving GeneralLee to port 8333 I've noticed it throws a lot more non-killing errors related to SPV nodes asking it for information with bloom filters, or at least I think that is what the errors are
1243492;1439956296;*;BingoBoingo needs to trap one in the wild
1243493;1439956338;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type in ProcessMessage()  ?
1243494;1439956348;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Exactly
1243495;1439956363;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: harmless. and your description is correct.
1243496;1439956371;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Only 4 in the past 18 hours
1243497;1439956382;BingoBoingo;So SPV, not even that popular
1243498;1439956402;asciilifeform;this, too, is fit subject for a patch;
1243499;1439956411;asciilifeform;no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud
1243500;1439956432;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287
1243501;1439956433;assbot;Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )
1243502;1439956445;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud << Tagged as Africa
1243503;1439956536;hanbot;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hjceh/dont_let_bitfinex_scam_you/cu7v9hg lol
1243504;1439956538;assbot;altctrlcrit comments on Don't let Bitfinex scam you. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmQSU )
1243505;1439956621;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> this, too, is fit subject for a patch; << I imagine orphanage stomping patches will be joined with "Fuck off out of my kitchen" set
1243506;1439956631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1540 @ 0.0007355 = 1.1327 BTC [-]
1243507;1439956680;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it falls squarely into the 'wouldn't it be nice' set of patches, rather than 'must have yesterday' set
1243508;1439956690;asciilifeform;and therefore i will not be writing it any time soon.
1243509;1439956692;asciilifeform;but you can!
1243510;1439956768;BingoBoingo;Of course. Much as it would be nice to supplement "GeneralLee" on home connection with "GeneralQuantrill" seed and relay slut node on colo eventually.
1243511;1439956922;BingoBoingo;peerdump: http://dpaste.com/2RDCJRD
1243512;1439956923;assbot;dpaste: 2RDCJRD ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTnuQB )
1243513;1439956978;BingoBoingo;Honestly as few fillipenis as stumbled onto node must wonder what the fuck they "wallet" with
1243514;1439957362;mircea_popescu;lol hanbot
1243515;1439957424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117686 @ 0.00071235 = 83.8336 BTC [-] {5} 
1243516;1439957912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75845 @ 0.00069214 = 52.4954 BTC [-]
1243517;1439958234;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "5 points 86% upvoted" ... how does this work ?
1243518;1439958241;mircea_popescu;reddit forked math ?
1243519;1439958307;BingoBoingo;A long long time ago, I can still remember the day... Mathematics died
1243520;1439958446;hanbot;American Pi
1243521;1439958682;BingoBoingo;^
1243522;1439958718;BingoBoingo;OH, now that I mentioned it the SPV niggers are clogging up my errors
1243523;1439958815;*;trinque has learned that beeper services are few and dwindling
1243524;1439958862;trinque;I'm thinking I could do everything I ever wanted by sending beeper alphanumeric messages which designate some URL whose contents are gpg'd
1243525;1439958880;trinque;so you drive along, you do that, you slurp messages from wifi as you can and want to
1243526;1439958904;trinque;whoever said a guy wanted or needed to be accessible 24/7
1243527;1439958969;BingoBoingo;What pager listens on 2.4 or 5 ghz
1243528;1439958983;trinque;no no
1243529;1439959014;trinque;thought was you could page yourself URLs as a means of signaling
1243530;1439959015;BingoBoingo;Also those baud rates, a bitcoind couldn't keep up
1243531;1439959029;trinque;then you go grab the dpaste url or whatever it is from wherever you like
1243532;1439959033;trinque;and decrypt
1243533;1439959057;BingoBoingo;Do you remember 14.4kbps fax hell?
1243534;1439959085;trinque;my first modem was 28.8, found its screech soothing
1243535;1439959095;trinque;least I think it was 28.8; I was rather young
1243536;1439959166;trinque;http://www.pager99.com/ << looking here
1243537;1439959169;assbot;Pager99 - Pager, Pagers, Paging, Beeper, Beepers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4mFCn )
1243538;1439959194;BingoBoingo;We are talking an ancient time when not the actual mp3, but the peers to find it took minutes
1243539;1439959258;trinque;napster -> winmx -> directconnect -> gnutella
1243540;1439959265;trinque;I think that was the beginning of my progression anyway
1243541;1439959287;trinque;of them winmx was the most hackery-looking, and therefore the best
1243542;1439959559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00071651 = 49.4034 BTC [+]
1243543;1439959871;*;danielpbarron got gentoo on his new iron
1243544;1439959899;danielpbarron;trinque, why do you tell lilo to look in sdb ?
1243545;1439959964;trinque;it's meant to be edited, but it really depends on whether you're targeting a USB stick or the hard drive inside
1243546;1439959983;trinque;depends upon the order in which the drives are enumerated
1243547;1439960015;danielpbarron;oh that was meant specifically to make a bootable flash drive?
1243548;1439960027;danielpbarron;anyhoo i figured it out
1243549;1439960030;trinque;yep
1243550;1439960037;trinque;cool
1243551;1439962522;mats;asciilifeform: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073/pdf/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073-27.pdf
1243552;1439962524;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOvtm )
1243553;1439962540;mats;and https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson
1243554;1439962541;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )
1243555;1439962652;mats;my read here is this guy is probably an idiot
1243556;1439963829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073151 = 8.8513 BTC [+]
1243557;1439964335;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1243558;1439964339;gribble;Current Blocks: 370503 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1243559;1439964611;punkman;;;ticker --market all
1243560;1439964618;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.74, vol: 22104.99845004 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.475, vol: 15111.77 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.01, vol: 135247.89036003 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 230.01, vol: 30.44604167 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.666937, vol: 30038.59510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.55, vol: 703.94647149 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.003988935, vol: 132.0671135 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1243561;1439965069;mircea_popescu;!up brg444
1243562;1439965094;mike_c;i missed the memo, we're all selling now?
1243563;1439965121;brg444;evening!
1243564;1439965165;brg444;did not find anything in the log. was this lulz discussed here :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
1243565;1439965167;assbot;Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3daAd )
1243566;1439965200;pete_dushenski;mike_c: selling btc to buy s.mpoe y'know
1243567;1439965211;mike_c;srsly
1243568;1439965233;mike_c;just note, there's another random theory in the dust (mpoe correlated to btc price)
1243569;1439965252;mike_c;random walk ftw
1243570;1439965280;pete_dushenski;give it time, there's always a lag for these sorts of things
1243571;1439965357;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hh3pz/i_asstoshi_original_creator_of_buttcoin_have/ << not bad lulz.
1243572;1439965359;assbot;I, Asstoshi, original creator of Buttcoin, have returned. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dnDE )
1243573;1439965381;brg444;mircea_popescu I happen to have misplaced the email pertinent my trilema.com information access. what would be standard procedure to retrieve said password?
1243574;1439965383;mircea_popescu;brg444 was not, i don't think anyone seriously read that thing.
1243575;1439965393;mircea_popescu;brg444 getting a new one, pretty much.
1243576;1439965422;mircea_popescu;mike_c which way would it correlate ? up or down ?
1243577;1439965427;mircea_popescu;seems it does each about 50% of the time.
1243578;1439965439;mike_c;yeah, who knows
1243579;1439965443;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << your memo.
1243580;1439965444;assbot;So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
1243581;1439965447;brg444;i see
1243582;1439965493;mircea_popescu;so shitcoin-xt is built to run on windows 10 natively i gather ?
1243583;1439965495;punkman;the only local traders I've found so far want 300-400eur per coin :/
1243584;1439965503;mircea_popescu;kudos to the shitdev team!
1243585;1439965519;punkman;(because alt-eurocoin here)
1243586;1439965525;pete_dushenski;punkman: what kind of qty is that for ?
1243587;1439965558;mircea_popescu;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html << pretty fucking hysterical, how dumb these schmucks are.
1243588;1439965559;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dCOY )
1243589;1439965559;punkman;pete_dushenski: I doubt they have any serious qty
1243590;1439965590;brg444;where may I find most up to date instruction as to how to register with assbot?
1243591;1439965601;mircea_popescu;"Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and identity of persons running Shitcoin-XT nodes."
1243592;1439965606;mircea_popescu;!h
1243593;1439965606;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1243594;1439965610;pete_dushenski;punkman: i only ask because localbitcoins sellers in canada seem to tap out at $1500
1243595;1439965617;mircea_popescu;brg444 see the chapter called "first steps"
1243596;1439965708;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: time to inform mr and mrs old timey derpminers, the qntra ones
1243597;1439965711;punkman;oh apparently I can send 500eur per month outside of greece now! lol
1243598;1439965746;pete_dushenski;'toomin bros bitcoin mining concern ltd'
1243599;1439965779;pete_dushenski;'We conduct our business in a way that protects the blockchain against plurality attacks, and our planet's climate against warming.  We hope you'll join us.'
1243600;1439965824;pete_dushenski;they seem to to be located in ben_vulpes' corner of the world
1243601;1439965919;brg444;!register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22
1243602;1439965919;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.
1243603;1439965919;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
1243604;1439965949;pete_dushenski;might take a few minutes if it's a new key
1243605;1439965957;pete_dushenski;no rush
1243606;1439966135;punkman;so this is a curious tidbit from updated capital control rulez. No early repayment of loans unless you are paying cash, foreign bank wire, or refinancing with new loan.
1243607;1439966149;mircea_popescu;how else ?
1243608;1439966161;punkman;domestic bank wire
1243609;1439966173;mircea_popescu;o.O
1243610;1439966194;mircea_popescu;writing's on the wall, you'll get "stabilized".
1243611;1439966204;mircea_popescu;what did cypriots get hit with, 84% ?
1243612;1439966225;mircea_popescu;they're still negotiating it, obviously, which is why the rule. but i doubt it'll be under 70%.
1243613;1439966239;brg444;Hi pete. What qualifies as new in that case? It is one I created a few months ago following the instructions on your blog..
1243614;1439966249;punkman;wasn't nearly as bad in cyprus
1243615;1439966295;pete_dushenski;brg444: hm. new is minutes not months.
1243616;1439966315;brg444;Yes. That would make sense
1243617;1439966338;mircea_popescu;punkman yeah iut was ?
1243618;1439966358;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/
1243619;1439966359;assbot;Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3esew )
1243620;1439966369;punkman;mircea_popescu: I meant compare to .gr, not your percentages
1243621;1439966375;mircea_popescu;balance 849k euro, available 128k euro
1243622;1439966388;pete_dushenski;brg444: look for 'send to keyserver' if you're using a gui app.
1243623;1439966399;mircea_popescu;oh. yeah, but quickly diminshing returns. something like 86-88% is probably right.
1243624;1439966416;brg444;Done, wait a few I guess?
1243625;1439966416;mircea_popescu;meaning that if you had a 1mn euro loan, and a 1mn euro bank deposit, you just lost enough to buy twelve houses.
1243626;1439966424;pete_dushenski;brg444: yup
1243627;1439966434;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lest we forget that italy did !
1243628;1439966450;pete_dushenski;repeal. for bitcoin bizniz.
1243629;1439966464;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22 << doesn't seem to exist brg444
1243630;1439966464;assbot;No results found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed )
1243631;1439966525;mircea_popescu;punkman and they're derping about for a few weeks while people can get a few hundreds out so the poor people can slowly leech their accounts during the interval.
1243632;1439966539;mircea_popescu;"decrease social costs", ie, lose less votes.
1243633;1439966896;punkman;hmm trying to find exact numbers from cyprus bail-in but it's all spammy blog posts
1243634;1439966914;pete_dushenski;i seem to recall 40-50%
1243635;1439966915;mircea_popescu;not like they ever told the truth.
1243636;1439966925;punkman;I bet some russians lost 80%
1243637;1439967019;punkman;"As part of the deal, BoC absorbed the loans and insured deposits of  Laiki, formerly the second-biggest bank, after its uninsured deposits  had been comprehensively bailed in. The new bank was then recapitalised  by converting 47.5% of BoC’s uninsured deposits into equity."
1243638;1439967042;mircea_popescu;the thing is... even after that cyprus thing, there were still peopel thick enough to keep money in greek banks.
1243639;1439967049;mircea_popescu;and even today, there's people with dollars in us banks etc.
1243640;1439967067;mircea_popescu;there's truly no curing human idiocy. butcher them and lay em out in the sun is the only cure.
1243641;1439967080;punkman;yes that's the only reason I keep mentioning the greek situation. Tomorrow it's gonna be you.
1243642;1439967095;mircea_popescu;well, not me, but yes, everyone who "had no alternative".
1243643;1439967107;punkman;for some values of you, yes
1243644;1439967180;mircea_popescu;do not ask whom the fiat sovereigns fleece, my friend... for they fleece you.
1243645;1439967511;cazalla;;;later tell bitstein ofn, i published an article on that like a month ago, not sure why it is back in the news cycle again
1243646;1439967512;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1243647;1439967676;mircea_popescu;!up BananaLotus
1243648;1439967694;cazalla;i expect today's logs shall be good
1243649;1439967724;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242024 <<< nope, 4chan is a sjw safe place these days
1243650;1439967724;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 10:56:14; shinohai: ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists
1243651;1439967786;pete_dushenski;BananaLotus: are you the banana troll from the contravex comments ?
1243652;1439967956;punkman;http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21661404-spat-between-developers-may-split-digital-currency-forking-hell
1243653;1439967957;assbot;Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3h0JN )
1243654;1439967988;mircea_popescu;this being 4chan's what, 4th ? 5th ? alignment to boring ?
1243655;1439968010;pete_dushenski;bi, vox, economist, everyone's takin' their potshots
1243656;1439968028;mircea_popescu;what else is a media good for!
1243657;1439968043;punkman;Guardian: "Bitcoin's forked: chief scientist launches alternative proposal for the currency"
1243658;1439968063;mircea_popescu;and no word about teh found satoshi, hm ?
1243659;1439968066;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: pictures of new jersey ?
1243660;1439968082;*;mircea_popescu recalls how excited they were over this, a year ago. almost looked like it's a thing that matters, to hear them talk.
1243661;1439968093;mircea_popescu;but now, suddenlyt, somehow, not any longer.
1243662;1439968096;mike_c;;;ticker --market bitfinex
1243663;1439968098;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.57, Best ask: 235.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 135720.2893984, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None
1243664;1439968106;mircea_popescu;ah if only satoshi had the foresight to not piss all over the face of usg!
1243665;1439968111;pete_dushenski;162!
1243666;1439968118;mircea_popescu;how famous and important he could have been.
1243667;1439968154;mircea_popescu;"chief scientist of a fraudulent foundation run by some people we've still, somehow, magically, not gotten around to investigating. hurr."
1243668;1439968170;mike_c;too much drama for me.  i'm going to bed.
1243669;1439968176;mircea_popescu;sleep tight.
1243670;1439968176;punkman;"BitBeat: Bitcoin’s Noisy Size Debate Reaches a Hard Fork"  some hilarious titles
1243671;1439968202;mike_c;this terminology.. how is yet another altcoin a hard fork
1243672;1439968221;mircea_popescu;if only bitfinex was worth twoi shits, and the planned price movement caught on, and all the alt-articles they tabled could have been published. aww what a glorious day could have been.
1243673;1439968222;punkman;BBC: "Bitcoin could split in debate over currency's future"
1243674;1439968251;mircea_popescu;mike_c how is osama a terrorist and obama a peace prize winner ?
1243675;1439968310;mike_c;yeah, i'm just too tired to keep even keel.  they are annoying me today.  just stop fucking with it so we can do some useful things.
1243676;1439968325;mircea_popescu;not like you have to read the fishwrappers.
1243677;1439968340;punkman;sorry for triggering mike_c
1243678;1439968342;mike_c;well, i don't.  but some of it leaks in here :)
1243679;1439968356;punkman;Vox: "Bitcoin is on the verge of a constitutional crisis"
1243680;1439968360;mike_c;hehe
1243681;1439968369;mircea_popescu;i kinda have a lulz reading the stuff now and again, but yeah, too much can readily bristle one.
1243682;1439968384;pete_dushenski;bi "A bitcoin civil war is threatening to tear the digital currency in two"
1243683;1439968403;pete_dushenski;one side: scammers, other side:...
1243684;1439968413;mircea_popescu;must suck to be this powerless, after having imagined oneself almighty.
1243685;1439968419;*;mircea_popescu commiserates.
1243686;1439968436;mike_c;that part i do enjoy.  when the flailing subsides and they just look stupid.
1243687;1439968440;punkman;http://cointelegraph.com/news/115143/greece-to-receive-1000-bitcoin-atms-as-trust-in-banks-long-gone
1243688;1439968441;assbot;Greece to Receive 1,000 Bitcoin ATMs as Trust in Banks ‘Long Gone’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjAf86 )
1243689;1439968456;pete_dushenski;^sounds very 2013
1243690;1439968459;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. because they're going to pay in goats.
1243691;1439968463;mircea_popescu;the goat-to-btc atm.
1243692;1439968474;pete_dushenski;baaatoshi
1243693;1439968476;punkman;they are Turks, so they probably could deal with goats
1243694;1439968478;mircea_popescu;ajhahahaha
1243695;1439968493;mike_c;hehe.  is that coinion thing still going?
1243696;1439968519;mircea_popescu;punkman amusingly, reviewing the (little) record from the 1700s, what the turks wanted from turkish part of romania was : a) sheep ; b) women. a distant 3rd, wax and honey.
1243697;1439968531;mike_c;aww, doesn't look like it.  too bad, they were funny
1243698;1439968576;pete_dushenski;mike_c: looks like it's been a full year since a tweet outta 'coinion;
1243699;1439968584;mike_c;and the domain is dead
1243700;1439968599;mircea_popescu;i don't readily recall anything of theirs. what was funniest ?
1243701;1439968605;mike_c;you offered to pay them
1243702;1439968612;pete_dushenski;mike_c: talk about a market opportunity
1243703;1439968612;mike_c;if they published x articles
1243704;1439968622;mike_c;!s from:mircea_popescu coinion
1243705;1439968622;assbot;0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu coinion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+coinion
1243706;1439968631;mircea_popescu;hm
1243707;1439968682;pete_dushenski;"Many of the newcomers filing in on Mondays may not be there in a few years. The company’s winners dream up innovations that they roll out to a quarter-billion customers and accrue small fortunes in soaring stock. Losers leave or are fired in annual cullings of the staff — “purposeful Darwinism,”"
1243708;1439968711;pete_dushenski;“Nearly every person I worked with, I saw cry at their desk.”
1243709;1439968772;mircea_popescu;what novel gunk is this ?
1243710;1439968780;pete_dushenski;scamazon
1243711;1439968783;mircea_popescu;it reads to me approximately like http://41.media.tumblr.com/08f95c44bd6615287bbd30c66e0201f4/tumblr_nsav9l7SJI1uzeq7qo1_1280.jpg looks to you.
1243712;1439968784;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ilAc )
1243713;1439968799;punkman;ahaha
1243714;1439968817;mike_c;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762630
1243715;1439968817;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2014 21:36:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks.
1243716;1439968824;mike_c;doh, wrong one
1243717;1439968827;mike_c;can't find it.
1243718;1439968832;mike_c;anyway, bed for realz.  later all.
1243719;1439968834;mircea_popescu;FUD!
1243720;1439968915;punkman;"This email is to notify that your following domains have been automatically renewed as per your request and the amount was debited from your Credit Card" oh nice, can't keep spending the bitcoins here
1243721;1439968923;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html << for anyone who wants to read why u.s. workplace culture is done like turkey dinner, this is supposed to be 'edgy' and 'controversial'
1243722;1439968926;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3itQj )
1243723;1439969043;mircea_popescu;here's one for BingoBoingo http://36.media.tumblr.com/655bd41bfcd346ef3638d0591d860c3b/tumblr_nq4ryt4Kw41s1mjnbo1_1280.jpg
1243724;1439969066;punkman;http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/ that's even better than the "scalability workshops"
1243725;1439969067;assbot;Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBp3m )
1243726;1439969093;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha.
1243727;1439969132;mircea_popescu;demo-craci. based on the happenstance that the way you say "ankles to ears" in romanian is "umeri-craci"
1243728;1439969210;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/633899543608852480
1243729;1439969254;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what.
1243730;1439969277;pete_dushenski;the agent is... her husband
1243731;1439969323;mircea_popescu;i feel very confused, because i thought the anon derp in question was really part of the team that arrested miloshevich
1243732;1439969418;mircea_popescu;no no wait. she was on the ship that discovered antarctica. which is why it was called antartibelle. right ?
1243733;1439969452;mircea_popescu;that's not right either. was she the inventor of savarines ? which were then named after her ?
1243734;1439969564;mircea_popescu;memory fails me. but i'm sure nobody on twitter is nevertheless a major force in things and such.
1243735;1439969573;pete_dushenski;she was the one who married the beast, who turned out to be an enchanted prince, who turned out to be an fbi agent
1243736;1439969586;*;punkman lost the plot
1243737;1439969628;mircea_popescu;punkman that's the sort of anarcho-patriarchist attitude that keeps women down under tech and stuff.
1243738;1439969663;pete_dushenski;oz women like it like that.
1243739;1439969715;punkman;http://www.coindesk.com/new-scholarships-aim-to-boost-diversity-in-blockchain-space/
1243740;1439969715;assbot;New Scholarships Aim to Boost Diversity in Blockchain Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjCSGO )
1243741;1439969726;pete_dushenski;sponsored by intel ?
1243742;1439969775;mircea_popescu;lol
1243743;1439969782;mircea_popescu;"blockchain space" ?!
1243744;1439969802;mircea_popescu;o right right, because in their alt-reality it's not really the bitcoin, it's "the blockchain technologee". nearly forgot.
1243745;1439969885;mircea_popescu;"DI$RUPTIV3 @BitcoinBelle � Jan 6 You are far grander than you think you are. Dare to blow your own mind with how bold and beautiful you can be."
1243746;1439969890;mircea_popescu;holy shit, i actually... called it ?
1243747;1439969904;mircea_popescu;hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?
1243748;1439969911;mircea_popescu;this is why smart women dun like you.
1243749;1439970528;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242461 << 1000 mb / 128 mb != 64...
1243750;1439970528;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 19:23:56; mircea_popescu:  http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.
1243751;1439970576;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242457 << nah. i'm just getting closer to the age you were when you penned that one
1243752;1439970576;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 19:21:51; mircea_popescu:  http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?
1243753;1439970592;mircea_popescu;heh
1243754;1439970610;pete_dushenski;bringing up the rear !
1243755;1439971214;chetty;http://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/
1243756;1439971215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjGdFY )
1243757;1439971843;punkman;oh now BitcoinBelle makes sense
1243758;1439972199;punkman;https://alibi.cs.umd.edu/
1243759;1439972201;assbot;Alibi Routing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjIBwy )
1243760;1439972556;shinohai;http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287   <<< top kek BingoBoingo
1243761;1439972557;assbot;Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )
1243762;1439972979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00070871 = 52.8698 BTC [-] {5} 
1243763;1439973516;mircea_popescu;ftr they have been available for a week or so.
1243764;1439974119;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMwly0yUsAA414a.png
1243765;1439974120;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PyXf16 )
1243766;1439974138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27246 @ 0.00072394 = 19.7245 BTC [+]
1243767;1439974931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00073366 = 30.667 BTC [+] {7} 
1243768;1439976151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00070407 = 14.1518 BTC [-] {3} 
1243769;1439978042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00069265 = 31.8273 BTC [-] {4} 
1243770;1439978103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00069123 = 26.0594 BTC [-] {3} 
1243771;1439979567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61427 @ 0.00068938 = 42.3465 BTC [-] {5} 
1243772;1439979872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65235 @ 0.00069218 = 45.1544 BTC [+]
1243773;1439980360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53660 @ 0.00071248 = 38.2317 BTC [+] {3} 
1243774;1439983593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25744 @ 0.00070497 = 18.1487 BTC [-] {3} 
1243775;1439984508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00070819 = 30.0981 BTC [+] {3} 
1243776;1439984813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00070928 = 17.8384 BTC [+]
1243777;1439985292;punkman;http://www.newson6.com/story/29826547/man-accidentally-shoots-self-while-guarding-muslim-free-oktaha-gun-store
1243778;1439985293;assbot;Man Accidentally Shoots Self While Guarding 'Muslim-Free' Oktaha - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com | ... ( http://bit.ly/1gX73pM )
1243779;1439985588;shinohai;http://redd.it/3hiyg3
1243780;1439985597;shinohai;And kek punkman
1243781;1439986887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00070019 = 24.9618 BTC [-]
1243782;1439987436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45936 @ 0.00071621 = 32.8998 BTC [+] {3} 
1243783;1439988046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41660 @ 0.00073719 = 30.7113 BTC [+] {3} 
1243784;1439988109;BingoBoingo;Oh Arse Technica just ran Hearn's blogpost as an Op Ed
1243785;1439989022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6847 @ 0.00071673 = 4.9075 BTC [-]
1243786;1439989083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 92 @ 0.01109999 = 1.0212 BTC [+]
1243787;1439989929;btcdrak;https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/633989558917435393/photo/1
1243788;1439991157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36928 @ 0.00072149 = 26.6432 BTC [+]
1243789;1439992656;mats;lots of mpoe moves while i snoozed
1243790;1439992663;mats;=[
1243791;1439993732;mats;https://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/21/hardware-side-channels-in-the-cloud
1243792;1439993734;assbot;Hardware Side Channels in the Cloud – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVMXlj )
1243793;1439994127;lobbes;!rated mircea_popescu
1243794;1439994128;assbot;You rated user mircea_popescu on 03-Dec-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: trilema credits.
1243795;1439994137;lobbes;!rate mircea_popescu 2 trilema credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu
1243796;1439994137;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5b90ffa284f7148b
1243797;1439994146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00072149 = 13.9608 BTC [+]
1243798;1439994214;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.mircea_popescu.2:35cce31048bc91c01a66740c03efd1ecfb4e03d9f886368d14d61a26f176948f
1243799;1439994214;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: trilema credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu
1243800;1439994463;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236371 << windows will actually scan memory for magic bytes and use it
1243801;1439994463;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 21:41:42; ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx fil
1243802;1439994485;asciilifeform;mats: aha.
1243803;1439994539;asciilifeform;mats: folks were getting wise to the old-fashioned diddled boot sector. therefore, this.
1243804;1439994609;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what ended up happening with this patch? << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150803/asciilifeform_jettison_mempool_195c600991e7306b0f21eddd834b38b9301cf12b.patch
1243805;1439994626;mats;a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr  on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.
1243806;1439994677;asciilifeform;http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/07/heres-how-im-going-to-handle-ashley.html << watch the 'responsible disclosure' twerps stuff head farther than ever thought possible up own arse
1243807;1439994678;assbot;Troy Hunt: Here’s how I’m going to handle the Ashley Madison data ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVOnfF )
1243808;1439994724;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
1243809;1439994776;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: at some point i will write a working version of it.
1243810;1439994783;asciilifeform;when - i do not know.
1243811;1439994785;thestringpuller;the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy
1243812;1439994790;thestringpuller;i was going to mess around with it
1243813;1439994814;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: must understand, this was intended solely for laboratory purposes
1243814;1439994829;asciilifeform;that is, to discover whether there are non-mempool-related leaks
1243815;1439994880;thestringpuller;ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.
1243816;1439994896;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243805 << 'even root'. what nonsense is this. root isn't root if he can't, e.g., operate a dma-capable device on the bus and flip arbitrary bits
1243817;1439994896;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 14:30:26; mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr  on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.
1243818;1439995017;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243815 << correct.
1243819;1439995017;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 14:34:40; thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.
1243820;1439995083;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243763 << do we have a mirror ? if not, why not ?
1243821;1439995083;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 08:38:36; mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.
1243822;1439995084;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1243823;1439995193;asciilifeform;'Consensus 2015 is working with MIT Media Lab's Digital Currency Initiative to boost diversity in the cryptocurrency space by offering 50 Consensus Scholarships to young women and people of colour.' << glorious
1243824;1439995252;asciilifeform;does each one of the 50 muppets get a fed-backed altcoin ?
1243825;1439995329;*;mats regrets not being an american indian black disabled LGBT veteran
1243826;1439995402;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243747 << does mircea_popescu remember the thread about the fight of monkey vs man ? and whether the man is necessarily smarter, if cannot win. i dare say this applies here. perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg
1243827;1439995402;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 07:38:24; mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?
1243828;1439995427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00068997 = 2.2079 BTC [-]
1243829;1439995663;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << destructors. for anyone actually reading this.
1243830;1439995663;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
1243831;1439995669;*;asciilifeform bbl
1243832;1439995671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75650 @ 0.00069714 = 52.7386 BTC [+]
1243833;1439996037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00068972 = 20.8985 BTC [-] {5} 
1243834;1439996159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00068797 = 21.9462 BTC [-]
1243835;1439996308;mod6;<+thestringpuller> the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy << wait, wat?!
1243836;1439996586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39294 @ 0.00068785 = 27.0284 BTC [-] {3} 
1243837;1439996790;thestringpuller;mod6: my bad BingoBoingo informed me of the data structure idiocy
1243838;1439996827;mod6;did you add that patch to your currently running node on aws?
1243839;1439996900;thestringpuller;no.
1243840;1439996914;thestringpuller;just reading the patches.
1243841;1439996918;mod6;alrighty.
1243842;1439997335;thestringpuller;i too am interested in the memory footprint and any potential leaks etc.
1243843;1439998140;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJSYeqXHm38
1243844;1439998142;assbot;UK, Lada Cars Television / Cinema Commercial 1980 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuANqU )
1243845;1439998406;phf;odd because map::clear documentation says "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed)"
1243846;1439998518;phf;elsewhere says "Invalidates any references, pointers, or iterators referring to contained elements"
1243847;1439998692;phf;but then a stackoverflow answer says that std::map doesn't manage, and require for(...) delete iter->second;
1243848;1439998704;phf;what fun language
1243849;1439998835;phf;thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment
1243850;1439998838;assbot;404 Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuCMva )
1243851;1439998965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00072197 = 8.8802 BTC [+] {3} 
1243852;1440000313;mircea_popescu;!up jborkl
1243853;1440000374;mircea_popescu;mats seems it stayed around 7 and a leaf anyway
1243854;1440000459;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMxiJLoUYAA-GxN.png << lol not bad.
1243855;1440000460;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuK81Q )
1243856;1440000477;mircea_popescu;bitcoin sorely needs something like a humor outleta comic. something.
1243857;1440000508;jborkl;hey guys
1243858;1440000538;jborkl;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19/bitcoin-battered-after-governance-coup
1243859;1440000539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKo0S )
1243860;1440000554;jurov;https://i.imgur.com/vafOPbZ.jpg
1243861;1440000555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKqFW )
1243862;1440000556;jborkl;whats all this non sense, hhe
1243863;1440000564;mircea_popescu;they forgot "failed" and to delete "battered" in there.
1243864;1440000569;jurov;^ lame but kinda humor, too
1243865;1440000622;mircea_popescu;"he data needs to be treated as �sensitive� and not available to the masses"
1243866;1440000626;mircea_popescu;heh, fucktards.
1243867;1440000631;punkman;someone needs to explain the bikini wax joke to me
1243868;1440000649;mircea_popescu;dude... your wife is cheating on you. with me. ain't jack shit you can d oabout it, now go put on those panties she bought you and wash the fucking dishes.
1243869;1440000678;mircea_popescu;and no, it has nothing to do with "big cocks".
1243870;1440000717;mircea_popescu;punkman ever see a chicken get in a terrible wood saw accident, resulting in a bloodied half body strutting around as if nothing happened ?
1243871;1440000762;jborkl;yeah
1243872;1440000764;punkman;haven't had the pleasure
1243873;1440000782;jborkl;it chills for a little bit, like all is good
1243874;1440000792;mircea_popescu;well apparently you're missing a fundamental life experience that's integral to understanding a swathe of humor!
1243875;1440000795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00072186 = 41.7235 BTC [-]
1243876;1440000833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i actually enjoy the butthurt tears of the jwz twerps. "oh, we can't pretend nothing happened now ?!?!?! hurrrrrr"
1243877;1440000877;mircea_popescu;not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.
1243878;1440000942;mircea_popescu;"Hey, I know you're trying to make a point and all, but do you mind removing me from the list?" then, now AND 4EVAR!!11
1243879;1440000961;[\\\];bye felicia
1243880;1440001114;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  if not, why not ? << because we aren't the usg of internet. here's how the hackerteam stuff looks, by the way : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bw-hackerteam.png
1243881;1440001115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuMnSG )
1243882;1440001207;mircea_popescu;a terrabyte's not expensive or anything. on the other hand, i'm sure i could burn an infinite amount of resources feeding the idle internet twerps.
1243883;1440001237;*;mircea_popescu has absolutely no trust left in the value or importance of "the internet community". serving it is not unlike serving cockroaches.
1243884;1440001315;mircea_popescu;let them go read the guardian or whatever the fuck it is that they do. what mirror.
1243885;1440001611;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.
1243886;1440001857;mats;lol...
1243887;1440001860;mircea_popescu;anyway, she's clearly as dumb as that polyanna chick, or as boiled frogs, whichever you prefer. she looks like a marginal stripper at best. so yes, given her meagre assets, certainly living the soccer mom life of a wife of some usg twerp is much better than living the stripper life of her mates.
1243888;1440001984;mircea_popescu;ra-ra-ra, gooooo BAAADGERS!!11
1243889;1440002148;mats;there was a chick who looked 17 that took 5-10s to figure out $10-3.50=6.50 wtf is goin on here
1243890;1440002192;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform bbl <<< ran into similar issues with eulora. the thing is, as inconvenient as that may be, there's no actual alternative.
1243891;1440002211;mircea_popescu;programmatic destructures work shittily enough you just end up with segfaults.
1243892;1440002222;mats;incidentally, in cambridge, MA, at a farmer's market
1243893;1440002332;mircea_popescu;jborkl well, nth abortive attempt to "rein in" btc.
1243894;1440002333;scoopbot_revived;Vox populi, vox dei, no more. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/vox-populi-vox-dei-no-more/
1243895;1440002350;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1243896;1440002372;mircea_popescu;mats mebbe she was playin' moe.
1243897;1440002393;mats;wat is moe
1243898;1440002439;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243849 << no go! this invalidates the iterator
1243899;1440002439;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 15:40:35; phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment
1243900;1440002449;mircea_popescu;clearly you're not ready to go back to asia.
1243901;1440002450;ascii_field;phf: that was actually my first try. it explodes in a fireball.
1243902;1440002464;mircea_popescu;ascii_field exactly. which is why this is not trivial.
1243903;1440002500;mircea_popescu;how was that ancient observation, "i know how to make a better garbage collector..." ?
1243904;1440002686;ascii_field;it's trivial!
1243905;1440002694;ascii_field;i just don't have time to do everything in one day!
1243906;1440002720;mircea_popescu;sucks.
1243907;1440002827;mircea_popescu;in lighter news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f66adc5ef59d09907a113934e01e138/tumblr_nq34p3RluW1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
1243908;1440002830;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8BjE )
1243909;1440002888;mircea_popescu;and to illustrate that "women on heels > any other women" point, http://40.media.tumblr.com/492f8f1ab819efdd19fa683e186d4b4c/tumblr_nq34ifAzsi1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
1243910;1440002889;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8HYn )
1243911;1440003144;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243885 << mega-win
1243912;1440003144;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 16:26:51; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.
1243913;1440003146;*;ascii_field falls down
1243914;1440003155;mircea_popescu;:D
1243915;1440003186;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243877 << they're still living in the 'we pushed the unhappen button and it unhappened, motherfuckerz' universe
1243916;1440003186;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 16:14:37; mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.
1243917;1440003215;mircea_popescu;more like "the world exists to cater to me and so it SHOULD be the case this unhappened".
1243918;1440003235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41744 @ 0.00072186 = 30.1333 BTC [-] {2} 
1243919;1440003236;mircea_popescu;bad parenting resplendant.
1243920;1440003284;ascii_field;now if only they were running a reactor, or a military engagement, and were now dead
1243921;1440003299;mircea_popescu;except they'd do more damage than they're worth, if they had.
1243922;1440003300;ascii_field;but no, the sc4mz0rz will reconvene under a new flag and run another usg-funded scam
1243923;1440003308;ascii_field;just like gavin & co
1243924;1440003313;mircea_popescu;no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.
1243925;1440003328;mircea_popescu;inconvenient as this may be, it's still optimal.
1243926;1440003337;ascii_field;wai wat, they aren't presently warehoused there ?
1243927;1440003349;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1243928;1440003464;mircea_popescu;but yes, re the smarts bit : what distinguishes an agent undercover in shit from a housewife made out of straight shit, is that the former has, however tenuous, however rare, a place to speak the truth straight. radically so, as the case may be.
1243929;1440003483;mircea_popescu;and the fact that there's someone else at the end of the line, not merely listening but actively seeking that truth, is what drives the profession.
1243930;1440003544;mircea_popescu;which is how and why the su had no trouble at all recruiting agents in the us. even though, in any sense of summary view, it made jack shit sense of some people living in abundence to confederate with some idiots powering the empire of ideologically driven poverty.
1243931;1440003591;ascii_field;it made glorious sense
1243932;1440003601;mircea_popescu;aha.
1243933;1440003617;mircea_popescu;but only for this reason and no other.
1243934;1440003637;ascii_field;needs no other.
1243935;1440003642;mircea_popescu;myeah
1243936;1440003824;mats;mircea_popescu: oh, some japanese thing? 'cute'?
1243937;1440003849;mircea_popescu;it's not cute. it's sexually relevant helplessness.
1243938;1440003878;mats;oh. well, she asked another employee for help, so i'm almost 100% sure it wasn't a play.
1243939;1440003886;mats;ploy*
1243940;1440003887;mircea_popescu;aok
1243941;1440003887;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243924 << the one thing we're pretty much guaranteed not to see - like orwell's 'jingo with a bullet hole in him' - is one of the 'executive' twerps sweating in a cubicle, sleeping not-at-all-ad-libitum, living in a verminous flat with roommates
1243942;1440003887;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 16:55:13; mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.
1243943;1440003913;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this purely psychogenic conviction of yours results from lack of exposure.
1243944;1440003919;mircea_popescu;go, meet some of these "executives".
1243945;1440003941;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: understand, my exposure happens every time i sit in traffic next to their mazeratis, and drive home past 100km of their mansions
1243946;1440003947;mircea_popescu;wtf was that retarded movie hm
1243947;1440003981;ascii_field;this picture normally fades into the background, as i've lived all of my adult life here in 'land of the warehouse'
1243948;1440004006;ascii_field;but i have occasion to think about it whenever i hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: how 'they' are losing to 'us' in some sense
1243949;1440004039;mircea_popescu;in every sense.
1243950;1440004106;ascii_field;every sense but the ones available to my eyes and ears through the window ?
1243951;1440004129;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1243952;1440004150;mircea_popescu;your window experiment is perhaps the worstly conducted experiment in the history of b-a.
1243953;1440004191;phf;<ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?
1243954;1440004202;punkman;!up amiller
1243955;1440004207;ascii_field;phf: try it. you get a segfault on the second free
1243956;1440004232;phf;i don't even
1243957;1440004247;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1243958;1440004388;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243953 << understand that naggum's point re: c++ being a language 'built and optimized by and for liars' is entirely true. what you see written on the page is not what you get! whole thing is built to lie to you.
1243959;1440004388;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 17:09:51; phf: <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?
1243960;1440004394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00072186 = 41.6874 BTC [-]
1243961;1440004415;ascii_field;and, unlike most other languages (of the time), to lie in poorly-systematizable ways
1243962;1440004432;mircea_popescu;you mean creatively ?
1243963;1440004433;ascii_field;for your own good (tm) (r)
1243964;1440004450;phf;first thing that came to my mind were naggum rants
1243965;1440004460;mircea_popescu;in the end, it was not the ai lab and lisp that provided the best approximation of a computer companion.
1243966;1440004462;mircea_popescu;it was C.
1243967;1440004472;mircea_popescu;people have spent so much time enjoying the company of computers, for it,.
1243968;1440004486;ascii_field;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << canonical
1243969;1440004488;assbot;Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaUmz )
1243970;1440004488;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/
1243971;1440004489;assbot;Blockstream employee asking to remove Gavin from Foundation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaVXQ )
1243972;1440004512;mircea_popescu;yeah, who is that twerp again ? seems a rehash o\f the entire "twobitidiot" hangout.
1243973;1440004527;mircea_popescu;and on a broader point ; post snowden, seems the usg added a new thing to their manual.
1243974;1440004544;mircea_popescu;"new" anyway.
1243975;1440004610;ascii_field;what part of this is new
1243976;1440004629;mircea_popescu;the kneejerk, field-manual shape of it.
1243977;1440004641;mircea_popescu;it's a very specific thing when a large body of idiots finally implements something for the idiots to do.
1243978;1440004725;mircea_popescu;like the difference between a) linkspamming google and b) a bunch of "infoproducts" on "make money while you sleep" having been sold to the retard forums.
1243979;1440004755;mircea_popescu;usg has democratized wikileaks!
1243980;1440004836;mircea_popescu;"come to america - where coca cola has created christmas and the government has created democracy!"
1243981;1440004909;chetty;you know its a waste of energy to hate on usg
1243982;1440004933;ascii_field;chetty: i will have you know that all of my works are 100% hatred-for-usg powered.
1243983;1440004956;chetty;:P
1243984;1440005004;ascii_field;this is not ~strictly~ necessary - a professional exterminator (paid, as in orlov) can do his thing without emotion
1243985;1440005009;ascii_field;but never an amateur one
1243986;1440005021;ascii_field;who has to beg, borrow, and steal spare change for every mousetrap
1243987;1440005066;chetty;now you are talking dream job, professional exterminator ...for gubermints
1243988;1440005114;ascii_field;gavinspray included.
1243989;1440005282;phf;make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf.
1243990;1440005325;ascii_field;ahahahaha
1243991;1440005349;chetty;gotta love c++
1243992;1440005380;ascii_field;this is why it bugs me when folks (looking at mircea_popescu !) write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably
1243993;1440005382;phf;look, c++, i'm trying to investigate a specific issue, not travel down your rabbit hole of insanity
1243994;1440005436;ascii_field;'c', like a mule, will plod along and do a very predictable thing. cpp is like a gigantic sack of cockroaches
1243995;1440005452;ascii_field;mule-shaped.
1243996;1440005464;ascii_field;sorta walks if you kick it. sometimes.
1243997;1440005496;jurov;predictable modulo undefined behavior
1243998;1440005500;chetty;I just love that it does different depending on the weather, or where it calls home today
1243999;1440005526;ascii_field;jurov: don't use the undefined. (note that i specifically said 'c', rather than 'unix' here)
1244000;1440005552;jurov;oh cmon
1244001;1440005582;jurov;even if you do something innocent like printf("%d", sizeof(stuff))
1244002;1440005597;jurov;cmpiler is allowed to compile it to system("rm -rf /")
1244003;1440005650;mats;?
1244004;1440005689;ascii_field;i'd love to borrow jurov's compiler
1244005;1440005694;ascii_field;it would really liven up my work
1244006;1440005704;jurov;sizeof returns size_t which may or may not be same as int.. and printf expects int here
1244007;1440005714;jurov;hence, undefined behavior
1244008;1440005727;ascii_field;nothing to do with c
1244009;1440005733;ascii_field;but with unix
1244010;1440005740;ascii_field;(of which stdlib is quite arguably part)
1244011;1440005754;ascii_field;that is why i said, ~the language~)
1244012;1440005800;ascii_field;and when a situation like this does come up, a civilized compiler (there is ONLY ONE known, gcc) ~will~ give you useful info re: types
1244013;1440005805;jurov;in that sense std::map nor the boost stuff isn't part of c++, either
1244014;1440005821;jurov;(just to split hairs)
1244015;1440005829;ascii_field;now try getting similarly compact description in a cpp proggy re: e.g., the map issue.
1244016;1440005850;ascii_field;jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is.
1244017;1440005865;ascii_field;(sorta like c macros, but far less analyzable)
1244018;1440005902;jurov;yes that is true
1244019;1440005914;phf;map code in question http://paste.lisp.org/display/153933
1244020;1440005914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTdwkD )
1244021;1440005970;trinque;phf: what, it's making sure it's thoroughly dead!
1244022;1440005984;phf;but i'm not dead yeat
1244023;1440005988;trinque;I feel happy!
1244024;1440006063;mircea_popescu;<phf> make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf. <<< win
1244025;1440006097;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what is this "why" ?
1244026;1440006136;thestringpuller;https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush << slush has gone to the darkside
1244027;1440006153;jurov;trinque seeing the code i think it just copies your "a" object multiple times
1244028;1440006167;jurov;and then obv destroys evey one
1244029;1440006170;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1244030;1440006170;thestringpuller;http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-43373 << Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks
1244031;1440006173;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which why
1244032;1440006198;mircea_popescu;"write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably"
1244033;1440006232;jurov;trinque: if feeling like messing with it further, try adding copy constructor w/logging, or pass pointers/references instead, etc.
1244034;1440006241;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is. << to make it plain ; just because c let you push her into a corner once or twice (provided you bring sweets) doesn't mean they're not sluts mmkay ?
1244035;1440006247;phf;jurov: not trinque
1244036;1440006286;mircea_popescu;<trinque> I feel happy! << sounds to me like a cry for help. can we do anything for the gent today ?
1244037;1440006376;trinque;oh its a monty python quote
1244038;1440006387;trinque;how bout whiskey
1244039;1440006423;jurov;in short, playing with c++ with objects oon the stack directly is asking to lose one's fingers
1244040;1440006431;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'c' is more 'sex doll' than slut
1244041;1440006434;jurov;^ ascii_field's short explanation
1244042;1440006467;mircea_popescu;aha.
1244043;1440006529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18641 @ 0.00068752 = 12.8161 BTC [-] {5} 
1244044;1440006734;phf;jurov: does c++ do a magic cleanup on its fields, or you have to provide a destructor that does things like if(field) delete field; ?
1244045;1440006795;jurov;if you did field = new blabla() the yes
1244046;1440006834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00071419 = 22.4613 BTC [+]
1244047;1440006863;jurov;if you did only field = blabla() then...idk :D
1244048;1440006886;phf;hmm
1244049;1440006889;punkman;"STL containers may copy objects around in the process of doing assignment"
1244050;1440007057;phf;punkman: yeah, i added copy constructor on jurov's recommendation
1244051;1440007070;ascii_field;naggum had a perfectly valid point re: cpp bearing much of the proximate blame for microshit code being what it is
1244052;1440007231;danielpbarron;>> Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks << thestringpuller, i heard the only did it to one block for the purpose of collecting some guy's 25 coin bounty. see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242984
1244053;1440007231;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 23:58:35; assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )
1244054;1440007282;mircea_popescu;what danielpbarron said.
1244055;1440007313;mircea_popescu;the entire "blockchain voting" thing is bunk of the first degree anyway, as the power rangered sponsored fiasco with the most recent fork shows.
1244056;1440007479;trinque;not that it matters, but since I haven't been looking, I wonder if reddit has completely turned on satoshi by now, in favor of the power rangers
1244057;1440007504;trinque;whereas they were before trying to argue that of course he'd support bigger blocks
1244058;1440007515;trinque;really sad thing there, culturally
1244059;1440007530;ascii_field;prolly 'signed or it didn't happen' ?
1244060;1440007549;trinque;well, wouldn't we all like a signed message; however, the content is true in either case
1244061;1440007566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.0007186 = 7.0854 BTC [+] {4} 
1244062;1440007576;mircea_popescu;no, more like "it says what i want to hear or it didn't happen"
1244063;1440007621;ascii_field;as i understand, 'satoshi' is nor a moral authority, but a shotgun authority. and that shotgun is still locked in the safe, rusting
1244064;1440007627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36240 @ 0.00072174 = 26.1559 BTC [+]
1244065;1440007632;ascii_field;*not a
1244066;1440007659;mircea_popescu;a thing's not to be reduced to its last form.
1244067;1440007663;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-07-2015#1203800 << see also
1244068;1440007663;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 22:27:33; mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.
1244069;1440007671;trinque;just struck me that the man who made this said the words "failed project"
1244070;1440007681;mircea_popescu;trinque in the conditional.
1244071;1440007684;trinque;certainly!
1244072;1440008119;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i see. I wonder if that guy made good on the bounty.
1244073;1440008164;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1244074;1440008205;punkman;http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2015/08/19/black-arts-the-800-million-family-selling-art-degrees-and-false-hopes/
1244075;1440008206;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4oH4q )
1244076;1440008222;punkman;"Academy of Art University" how is this a name?
1244077;1440008260;trinque;punkman: it's a filter; only the dumb pass through
1244078;1440008416;ascii_field;punkman: classic usg expose. 'let's pick on a usgwot-marginal scamatron, deflect fire from the main ones'
1244079;1440008508;ascii_field;other thing is, the 'art college of art' chumpatronic sector has been edging into competition with the officially-blessed prestige-sellers
1244080;1440008516;ascii_field;and therefore have been marked for gassing.
1244081;1440008545;punkman;"One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in  April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down  and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111  campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30  million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented  job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."
1244082;1440008563;punkman;misrepresented job-placement rates, ahaha
1244083;1440008576;ascii_field;the ancient maxim, as retold by mircea_popescu, 'when hiring a psychic, hire the cheapest'. but the expensive psychic is liable to walk over to the cheapest and shoot the poor fella
1244084;1440008592;trinque;in the next world, you'll have to say "lied"
1244085;1440008599;trinque;they... "lied".
1244086;1440008606;trinque;is that so hard?
1244087;1440008622;ascii_field;thing about 'prestige market' is that 'art college of art' can make fraudulent claims of graduate employability just as well as, e.g., harvard
1244088;1440008657;ascii_field;eventually the chumps notice that the cheap and expensive psychics 'tell the future' exactly equally
1244089;1440008669;ascii_field;and the problems begin for the expensive soothsayer.
1244090;1440008722;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244081 << wake me up when they close mit, yale, stanford.
1244091;1440008722;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 18:22:25; punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in  April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down  and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111  campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30  million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented  job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."
1244092;1440008840;trinque;https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html << fascinating. this may work
1244093;1440008843;assbot;Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qpTm )
1244094;1440008920;punkman;"In 2009 four former AAU admissions staffers filed a whistle-blower suit  in federal district court in Oakland, claiming the school had illegally  adjusted recruiters’ pay based on the number of students they enrolled.  AAU, which declined to comment on the lawsuit, said in court filings  that the compensation scheme was then legal under a “safe harbor”  loophole because it also considered qualitative factors."
1244095;1440009018;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
1244096;1440009019;assbot;The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrixid )
1244097;1440009120;trinque;wow, in re-reading the lyrics, more relevant than I even intended.
1244098;1440009153;shinohai;<3 The Doors
1244099;1440009170;trinque;though I know it's uncontroversial at best, me too
1244100;1440009240;lobbes;I've yet to meet someone that doesn't enjoy The Doors. great combination of musicians
1244101;1440009275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00071335 = 44.299 BTC [-] {3} 
1244102;1440009333;phf;ascii_field: i've tried reproducing the leak, but so far it looks like so according to my small test, mapTransactions.clear() should just work. http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.cpp.html there's a bunch of copy allocations that get cleaned up, but you'll notice when foo.clear() is called that picks up the leftover objects.
1244103;1440009334;assbot;foo.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4rRoN )
1244104;1440009815;lobbes;I wonder where the Trump stands on 'greencard marriages'; another loophole he'd have to close to make that plan work
1244105;1440009823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00069095 = 43.8753 BTC [-] {2} 
1244106;1440009833;lobbes;perhaps it's in his plan. I have yet to read it myself
1244107;1440009915;ascii_field;phf: go, see. doesn't work.
1244108;1440010002;phf;ascii_field: i believe you, just trying to figure out what might be going on
1244109;1440010023;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1244110;1440010038;trinque;if the 14th amendment were removed via another amendment, what of the descendents of slaves?
1244111;1440010193;trinque;though I suppose he means something smaller, getting the courts to reinterpret it
1244112;1440010201;lobbes;wouldn't their ancestors have been brought in the country 'legally'; i.e as property? good point though..
1244113;1440010213;trinque;property yes, and not citizens
1244114;1440010219;lobbes;hmm
1244115;1440010281;lobbes;would be almost impossible to trace back lineage, I'd assume
1244116;1440010334;lobbes;and then you add in all the owners banging their slaves on the side. it would get murky
1244117;1440010434;trinque;you know, I find it sensible that he's focusing on Mexico as a threat rather than something like ISIS
1244118;1440010438;trinque;as per various threads here
1244119;1440010464;trinque;whether it's possible to solve that problme from the position of "US president" is questionable
1244120;1440010477;mats;ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time
1244121;1440010482;trinque;bullshit
1244122;1440010497;trinque;they can knock down a few buildings at best
1244123;1440010498;mats;if the caliphate is established, they'll have materialized as a real threat
1244124;1440010502;trinque;if, sure
1244125;1440010525;punkman;established how?
1244126;1440010536;trinque;but what about pakistani nukes, what about etc etc
1244127;1440010559;mats;ie, control of baghdad and damascus
1244128;1440010611;trinque;the thing is, this has never been total war between the USA and Middle East
1244129;1440010631;trinque;it's been trying to manipulate countries into this or that state with the military
1244130;1440010645;trinque;if something poses an "existential" threat to the USA, what do you think will happen?
1244131;1440010653;trinque;assuming sure, said USA is aware enough to see it
1244132;1440010714;trinque;why didn't the chechens take over even after the USSR fell?
1244133;1440010721;trinque;seems about the same size
1244134;1440010735;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236430 << have you had a cigar? they are delightful
1244135;1440010735;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2015 22:12:55; Adlai: why smoke
1244136;1440010736;funkenstein_;the "president" tv show seems mostly produced for foreign consumption, kinda like friends or baywatch
1244137;1440010745;mats;USG will attempt to parlay another group into battle against ISIS
1244138;1440010777;trinque;were I an ISIS, I would look for a large ally that was not the USA
1244139;1440010792;mats;e.g. the kurds, shia
1244140;1440010793;trinque;at that point I could believe that they're an actual threat, in that not they, but the actual other superpower, is a threat
1244141;1440010799;trinque;no, larger
1244142;1440010806;punkman;mats, aren't they already battling?
1244143;1440010812;mats;yes.
1244144;1440010813;trinque;or "wake me up when" they strike a deal with Russia
1244145;1440010823;funkenstein_;forbes piece is nice in admitting the 1st priority of a university: real estate developer
1244146;1440010866;punkman;funkenstein_: and they even have an antique car museum
1244147;1440010890;mats;ISIS doesn't benefit from the allegiance of any nation state, and nor do i expect any to give it
1244148;1440010891;trinque;mats: some kind of "muslim unity" thing against the USA could very well happen
1244149;1440010906;trinque;I really don't understand this thinking, tbh
1244150;1440010906;mats;their influence and wealth is transnational
1244151;1440010916;trinque;and what of ICBMs
1244152;1440010919;trinque;and all the rest
1244153;1440010944;trinque;the USA has done total war before, even if it's been a while
1244154;1440010950;trinque;let us panic about our demise a bit and see what ideas are palatable
1244155;1440010963;funkenstein_;lol, yeah look at that 250 cars
1244156;1440010970;mats;USG cannot afford total war, and they do not have the stomach for it, either
1244157;1440010983;lobbes;^
1244158;1440010985;trinque;the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first
1244159;1440010994;mats;ISIS merely needs USG to stfu, not die, to succeed
1244160;1440010997;trinque;I don't buy any of that
1244161;1440011002;mats;it'll die on its own
1244162;1440011006;trinque;we have the stomach for the whole 20th century
1244163;1440011027;trinque;die like Russia did I suppose
1244164;1440011047;trinque;we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there
1244165;1440011056;trinque;and mind I'm not particularly thrilled at the thought
1244166;1440011199;trinque;I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes, rather than at worst being handed down as an heirloom
1244167;1440011205;mats;we'll see how committed NATO is to fighting ISIS when PMCs fail to take Mosul and a few F-16s get smoked
1244168;1440011277;trinque;not what I was discussing, at least
1244169;1440011306;trinque;whether or not ISIS controls Iraq is not the same question as whether they can destroy the United States
1244170;1440011353;funkenstein_;trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear
1244171;1440011374;trinque;am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military?
1244172;1440011379;trinque;despite 91?
1244173;1440011387;trinque;what's different here?
1244174;1440011398;ascii_field;trinque: petromarket
1244175;1440011411;ascii_field;(ru)
1244176;1440011453;trinque;the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used
1244177;1440011453;scoopbot_revived;Scratch http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/
1244178;1440011464;trinque;and in an economic crash we'll stop crying about destroying the gulf to get at them
1244179;1440011469;trinque;among other places
1244180;1440011513;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2DFnGI9Ac    <<< Nlame the jooz
1244181;1440011514;assbot;Wikipedia - Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj52ix )
1244182;1440011518;ascii_field;trinque: already old news
1244183;1440011518;shinohai;*blame
1244184;1440011527;ascii_field;trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction'
1244185;1440011539;ascii_field;where useless mouths are jettisoned.
1244186;1440011548;trinque;sure
1244187;1440011554;ascii_field;(who? us.)
1244188;1440011554;trinque;what I meant about the military being the last light turned out
1244189;1440011606;mats;militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC
1244190;1440011610;trinque;if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf?
1244191;1440011644;mats;given enough time, US generals will sell off parts just like SU did.
1244192;1440011653;trinque;so russia's military is gone
1244193;1440011696;trinque;I can readily see that usg is on life-support and fading
1244194;1440011699;trinque;usm? not at all
1244195;1440011704;funkenstein_;trinque, it has always been my assumption that such folks a) have the gold b) move the drugs c) controls m0 presses
1244196;1440011715;trinque;and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg
1244197;1440011723;mats;usm, usg, and usd are liver, kidney, heart
1244198;1440011743;mats;well, kidneys.
1244199;1440011759;trinque;when in history did a vast military power not fragment into many pieces, and instead dissolve completely, leaving no trace?
1244200;1440011777;ascii_field;'no trace' is a tall order
1244201;1440011779;mats;fragmentation is enough for us hegemony to be immaterial
1244202;1440011791;ascii_field;thing is, 'usg' is bigger than washington
1244203;1440011806;ascii_field;it includes every bit of brussels, stockholm, london, zurich
1244204;1440011838;trinque;ascii_field: recall the convo about my family's farm with its gas well?
1244205;1440011840;trinque;!up ascii_field
1244206;1440011843;ascii_field;aha
1244207;1440011856;trinque;and you were right, immediately a target in that environment
1244208;1440011867;trinque;doesn't that apply to what USM would do generally in the aftermath?
1244209;1440011879;trinque;secure access to the things it needs to operate first, then move on from there
1244210;1440011885;trinque;this is precisely what ISIS seems to be doing
1244211;1440011898;trinque;and isn't USM quite a bit more capable at this game?
1244212;1440011911;trinque;given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?
1244213;1440011953;funkenstein_;you know just because we can put capital letters together doesn't mean they represent a coherently motivated thing
1244214;1440011997;chetty;<trinque> given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?// meme of renown
1244215;1440012007;trinque;chetty: this is not what happened?
1244216;1440012009;ascii_field;trinque: at a certain point, there is a phase transition. where life is no longer about u.s. army's 'access to necessary resources to operate' but instead col. schmuckson's access to his mansion and cocaine
1244217;1440012016;trinque;I am referring more to the conflicts not necessarily declared wars
1244218;1440012018;ascii_field;which can be easier in zurich than alabama
1244219;1440012102;chetty;dont think it was really resources acquisition as it was expenditure, keep making war toys
1244220;1440012119;ascii_field;!s churn inventory
1244221;1440012120;assbot;8 results for 'churn inventory' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=churn+inventory
1244222;1440012148;trinque;http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081
1244223;1440012150;assbot;Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: John Perkins: 8580001045009: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj6lye )
1244224;1440012161;trinque;my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries
1244225;1440012169;trinque;and yes, sure, also churning stock
1244226;1440012187;ascii_field;trinque: have to understand that, to lizards, usa is also 'another country'
1244227;1440012242;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, I see that point.
1244228;1440012390;funkenstein_;on these topics i have found robert steele to be quite educational
1244229;1440012443;funkenstein_;in fact this forum is a great example of his open source intelligence ideas
1244230;1440012478;chetty;<trinque> my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries// great propaganda to make americans hate themselves
1244231;1440012500;trinque;I see that.
1244232;1440012502;trinque;and also it happened
1244233;1440012574;ascii_field;countdown to 'it wasn't rape!!11 they LIKED it!'
1244234;1440012600;trinque;white mans burden and all that
1244235;1440012602;trinque;sorry indonesia
1244236;1440012619;trinque;and as far as that goes, indonesians didn't fight it off, so life goes as it does
1244237;1440012639;trinque;the point is I don't think anyone sits back and thinks about "what happens with the *other* space station"
1244238;1440012641;ascii_field;trinque: they tried, with jp
1244239;1440012642;trinque;the one with nukes on it
1244240;1440012688;trinque;this all vanishes because somebody decided they wanted to do fundamentalist islam again
1244241;1440012690;trinque;I don't see that at all
1244242;1440012692;ascii_field;trinque: how about the other other space station? the one with 25 tonnes of trotyl and ball bearings
1244243;1440012713;trinque;ascii_field: talking about projectile weapons?
1244244;1440012715;trinque;sure
1244245;1440012722;ascii_field;uncle al's orbital scrubber
1244246;1440012727;trinque;ah yeah
1244247;1440012762;trinque;one side of me sees decay, and the other that this coup in the USA has gone perfectly well
1244248;1440012785;trinque;it depends on whether the command structure in the militaristic side is decaying as badly as the civilian side
1244249;1440012799;trinque;last I checked US soldiers were astoundingly obedient
1244250;1440012808;trinque;and rather well trained
1244251;1440012819;ascii_field;trinque: the test of obedience is when the salary checks bounce.
1244252;1440012823;ascii_field;not before.
1244253;1440012833;trinque;the lowest guys already make postman wages
1244254;1440012838;trinque;hell, lower
1244255;1440012865;chetty;the only reason other nations didnt rape us is  us had bigger stick, they happily rape each other all the time. Americans are not special and not worthy of special hates
1244256;1440012898;trinque;chetty: that I readily grant
1244257;1440012907;trinque;and to do otherwise would itself be a sort of exceptionalism
1244258;1440012922;ascii_field;chetty: the anglos being the authors of the global rapeatron, with themselves at the apex, earned the hate.
1244259;1440012931;ascii_field;starting with 1812 or so
1244260;1440012971;ascii_field;the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter
1244261;1440012994;ascii_field;'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen)
1244262;1440012995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068585 = 12.4825 BTC [-]
1244263;1440013091;*;chetty just dislikes seeing the assorted memes of the libtards repeated without clarifications
1244264;1440013131;ascii_field;chetty: the libertards are properly the 'repentance' arm of usg. what mr mold referred to as 'the cathedral'
1244265;1440013172;ascii_field;the folks inviting properly qualified minority female disabled folks to come to mit and write thesis on history of oppression by evil white males
1244266;1440013187;chetty;indeed, I don't do self hate and sore knees
1244267;1440013198;ascii_field;chetty: but it's a mega-growth industry
1244268;1440013210;ascii_field;why would the anglos ~not~ try to capitalize on their major asset
1244269;1440013212;chetty;sadly
1244270;1440013316;trinque;it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c
1244271;1440013325;trinque;I can look upon that and sleep just fine
1244272;1440013406;funkenstein_;mostly in north america
1244273;1440013481;chetty;<trinque> it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c// please to point to a first world country that didnt?
1244274;1440013492;ascii_field;the liberasts tend to overemphasize the simple, kinetic rape & murder of .mil
1244275;1440013504;ascii_field;vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid
1244276;1440013512;trinque;chetty: that misses my point; I'm contradicting the claim that it doesn't still have a massive, throbbing cock with which to do so
1244277;1440013551;ascii_field;chetty: everyone else who is commonly accused, has a perfectly valid self-defense against anglos defense
1244278;1440013556;ascii_field;(ru, de)
1244279;1440013560;chetty;sure it does, it still has $$$ (as many as they can print)
1244280;1440013583;trinque;how much is a stockpile of nuclear weapons worth?
1244281;1440013589;trinque;at least 1 crimea
1244282;1440013596;trinque;maybe half a ukraine
1244283;1440013612;trinque;or some canadian oil
1244284;1440013616;funkenstein_;most folks will pay you to take them away
1244285;1440013628;chetty;it just turns into this gian finger pointing thing, and in fact I dont think we have a proper clue where those fingers should be pointed.
1244286;1440013639;trinque;why are you bothering with the concept of blame?
1244287;1440013648;ascii_field;funkenstein_: don't confuse the freshly-usgificated su republics of 1991 with 'most folks'
1244288;1440013658;trinque;where all I'm saying is the 20th century's weapons are still there, and if the F35 doesn't work, this matters?
1244289;1440013662;trinque;the missile launches work just fine
1244290;1440013664;ascii_field;they gave up the goods in exchange for some usg lube for their raw anus
1244291;1440013665;trinque;*launchers
1244292;1440013669;trinque;!up ascii_field
1244293;1440013857;trinque;china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat
1244294;1440013896;trinque;this bias while understandable clouds the issue entirely
1244295;1440014125;trinque;!up ascii_field
1244296;1440014180;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244293 << 'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position'
1244297;1440014180;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 19:50:57; trinque: china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat
1244298;1440014187;trinque;right.
1244299;1440014226;trinque;and then in the other direction, denying them some particular goal == defeated
1244300;1440014229;ascii_field;it also means, depending on circumstances, 'can't be bombed with slow-moving pilotless planes with impunity' or even 'might fire back if bombarded navally'
1244301;1440014276;ascii_field;for instance, see how these folks pissed themselves with rage when ru wouldn't give up its sole warm water port just because washington asked
1244302;1440014509;trinque;ascii_field: seems to go along with what I'm saying
1244303;1440014519;trinque;USSR "fell" yet Russia was able to keep Crimea when push came to shove
1244304;1440014537;trinque;USA might "fall" too
1244305;1440014545;ascii_field;it remains to be seen if modern ru is ~actually~ sovereign
1244306;1440014564;ascii_field;or if they shy away from shooting every harvard and yale graduate on their soil when the hour comes
1244307;1440014606;*;ascii_field is not orlov and isn't paid by ru; hell, they won't even give him a passport
1244308;1440014638;phf;ru did quietly close a handful of ngos, usaid being the largest of them.
1244309;1440014673;ascii_field;but were the vermin turned loose to do new things, and loudly stink? afaik, they were
1244310;1440014678;ascii_field;instead of being boiled for soap
1244311;1440014701;trinque;its true, there's not nearly enough pressure yet to see which structures will stand
1244312;1440014706;trinque;and not enough time passed
1244313;1440015069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00068375 = 55.5889 BTC [-] {7} 
1244314;1440015619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5702 @ 0.00070349 = 4.0113 BTC [+]
1244315;1440016150;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1244316;1440016158;ascii_field;the am leak is mega-lulzy
1244317;1440016862;wilbns;Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct: https://medium.com/@wilbns/sovereign-credit-ratings-from-moody-s-fitch-and-s-p-will-soon-become-extinct-67c3e270f8a0
1244318;1440016864;assbot;Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq4aPd )
1244319;1440017451;shinohai;https://redd.it/3hkomb    <<< wow that's just BALLIN right there.
1244320;1440017485;shinohai;yay I made 59 cents today
1244321;1440017570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00072458 = 49.4888 BTC [+] {8} 
1244322;1440017862;mircea_popescu;heh
1244323;1440017896;*;ascii_field browsing old phriends on am leak list
1244324;1440017910;mircea_popescu;lol
1244325;1440018010;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1244326;1440018070;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> and therefore have been marked for gassing. <<< the other thing is, they had been doing fraud on a scale not seen since the credit unions.
1244327;1440018086;ascii_field;aha
1244328;1440018096;ascii_field;and the lion will show hyena his place
1244329;1440018173;mircea_popescu;incidentally, /me does not belive "for profit" education can be a thing. you can have for-profit amorous relaitons, something the us claims to be down on. you can't have for-profit education. it is a fundamentally unprofitable activity.
1244330;1440018186;mircea_popescu;the only thing you can have is forcible rituals of passing, where the kids pay in flesh.
1244331;1440018199;ascii_field;can have for-profit 'education' easily enough
1244332;1440018295;mircea_popescu;how ?
1244333;1440018312;wilbns;mircea_popescu: agree w/ what you are saying and would also add it's difficult to have for-profit healthcare as well
1244334;1440018319;ascii_field;in usa, higher education is more or less a straight racket
1244335;1440018325;mircea_popescu;difficult, but on the overall possible, i believe wilbns
1244336;1440018335;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ah with the quotes. yes,.
1244337;1440018345;mircea_popescu;surely. all fraud exists for profit, because why else.
1244338;1440018354;ascii_field;can also be for 'profit'
1244339;1440018363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30843 @ 0.0007374 = 22.7436 BTC [+]
1244340;1440018365;mircea_popescu;usually turns out to be.
1244341;1440018366;ascii_field;('spam like a pro in 21 dayz', 'make money in your sleep')
1244342;1440018374;mircea_popescu;like the "money" the derp sending script output to trilema is making.
1244343;1440018380;ascii_field;aha.
1244344;1440018384;mircea_popescu;(got another one. 10 days now, that thing)
1244345;1440018426;ascii_field;recalling barnum's canonical 'sucker is born every minute, and two to take him' - can also add 'and two hundred and twenty two to visit the spot next day and smell the farts'
1244346;1440018436;mircea_popescu;the major challenge with the healthcare is keeping payments fair (which really simply means meaningful).
1244347;1440018485;mircea_popescu;but i would propose the actual case study for healthcare economics is... roman firefighting.
1244348;1440018491;mircea_popescu;made one guy very rich, at that.
1244349;1440018536;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f1e335b0367c5d43b959c45ff26e85f6/tumblr_nq34b3NgnS1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
1244350;1440018537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTAjNb )
1244351;1440018593;mircea_popescu;(m l crassus, for the innocent)
1244352;1440018778;mircea_popescu;and back to the blocks issue : i've had a number of tests on various platforms. it would seem that time to verify blocks does not in fact scale liniarly with the block size.
1244353;1440018782;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why this is.
1244354;1440018811;mircea_popescu;in any case, comercially available home computers do not seem capable to verify full 8mb blocks six to the hour.
1244355;1440018839;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: cache
1244356;1440018843;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i, too, tested.
1244357;1440018848;mircea_popescu;same results ?
1244358;1440018849;ascii_field;(surprised?)
1244359;1440018852;ascii_field;same result.
1244360;1440018859;ascii_field;and can even describe why.
1244361;1440018862;mircea_popescu;it might be the DISK cache, i guess
1244362;1440018865;mircea_popescu;go ahead ?
1244363;1440018865;ascii_field;mno
1244364;1440018871;ascii_field;cpu l2 cache
1244365;1440018875;mircea_popescu;oh for fucks sake
1244366;1440018883;mircea_popescu;you're exactly right aren't you.
1244367;1440018893;ascii_field;i am right because i have instrumented machines for this.
1244368;1440018899;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1244369;1440018902;ascii_field;(on other occasions, because my arse)
1244370;1440018906;ascii_field;but in this instance, machine.
1244371;1440018906;mircea_popescu;well...
1244372;1440018910;mircea_popescu;larger blocks ain't happening.
1244373;1440018926;mircea_popescu;forget everything. there's not going to be larger l2 caches.
1244374;1440018928;mircea_popescu;probably not ever.
1244375;1440018932;ascii_field;was there any genuine doubt in any genuine head that the mega-blox was a bullet for bitcoin ?
1244376;1440018937;ascii_field;vs anything else
1244377;1440018943;mircea_popescu;no, but that's a different issue.
1244378;1440018947;ascii_field;a bullet's job is not to make mr kennedy's brain work better
1244379;1440018960;ascii_field;but to help it explore the back of his car
1244380;1440018961;mircea_popescu;imo it did make lincoln's brain work better than it ever had before.
1244381;1440018962;ascii_field;and the asphalt
1244382;1440018988;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-08-2015#1242340 << see also.
1244383;1440018988;assbot;Logged on 18-08-2015 18:45:59; ascii_field: the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'
1244384;1440019035;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: also expect usg-endorsed 'hardware accelerators' to come.
1244385;1440019042;ascii_field;as for aes.
1244386;1440019059;mircea_popescu;i would very much like to get better "humint" work put in.
1244387;1440019066;mircea_popescu;the effort so far is unimpressive.
1244388;1440019084;mircea_popescu;much cheaper than making a hw accelerator, too.
1244389;1440019107;mircea_popescu;well... in the sense that finding a girlfriend is cheaper than building a submarine in the garage, at any rate.
1244390;1440019131;ascii_field;for them, not expensive at all
1244391;1440019142;ascii_field;it'll be rolled into the 2017 intel shitentium or whatnot
1244392;1440019147;ascii_field;as a couplea extra instructions
1244393;1440019163;mircea_popescu;it's not as easy as al lthat.
1244394;1440019199;ascii_field;no?
1244395;1440019219;mircea_popescu;well no, they gotta work.
1244396;1440019239;ascii_field;in fact, now i recall that this is already happening
1244397;1440019250;ascii_field;(the nsa elliptic curve memo)
1244398;1440019272;ascii_field;it'll be in the next instruction addendum
1244399;1440019280;ascii_field;may already be featured in currently stocked dies.
1244400;1440019283;ascii_field;(undocumented)
1244401;1440019295;ascii_field;mega-bestseller! 'quantum resistant!'
1244402;1440019346;mircea_popescu;yeah but not really good enough
1244403;1440019380;mircea_popescu;and no, they don't get to uise the "quantum" gimmick to push ecc against rsa. like they didn't manage the past three or four gimmicks.
1244404;1440019384;ascii_field;good enough. it'll offload the scratch storage for the elliptic grind to dedicated sram
1244405;1440019389;ascii_field;and avoid blowing cache locality
1244406;1440019397;mircea_popescu;the time i consider changing off rsa is a time after i've taken a piss on the ruins of the white house.
1244407;1440019412;mircea_popescu;hm. that may actually work huh.
1244408;1440019436;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recall, this is all in my burial notebook
1244409;1440019446;ascii_field;because screwed around with 'what if bitcoind circuit' for a spell
1244410;1440019451;mircea_popescu;in fact, making "intel the only way to run bitcoin node" is the biggest strategic gain usg can hope for atm.
1244411;1440019460;ascii_field;ergo megablox
1244412;1440019479;mircea_popescu;heh
1244413;1440019502;mircea_popescu;"oh, they won't be really USED yet. we just want it for when intel finally comes out wiht the chip and we can push it - not before"
1244414;1440019504;mircea_popescu;derp.
1244415;1440019522;ascii_field;i suspect it's coming off conveyor as we speak.
1244416;1440019542;ascii_field;in fact...
1244417;1440019545;ascii_field;drumroll....
1244418;1440019546;mircea_popescu;how does it feel, to have stuck so badly in so many clocks ?
1244419;1440019562;ascii_field;http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/wireless-infrastructure/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.html
1244420;1440019563;assbot;PCLMULQDQ Instruction and Elliptic Curve Cryptography: Paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBsEd )
1244421;1440019587;ascii_field;https://software.intel.com/en-us/node/503722 << more specifically
1244422;1440019589;assbot;Elliptic Curve Cryptography Functions | Intel® Developer Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBw78 )
1244423;1440019601;mircea_popescu;"We are sorry, This PDF is available in download format only"
1244424;1440019602;mircea_popescu;derp
1244425;1440019612;mircea_popescu;why the fguck is it a html then!
1244426;1440019618;ascii_field;ask obamitler.
1244427;1440019677;ascii_field;http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.pdf << has ocr
1244428;1440019678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBrn )
1244429;1440019695;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3TZEFA7.txt
1244430;1440019697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBYv )
1244431;1440019697;ascii_field;^^^
1244432;1440019700;mircea_popescu;ty
1244433;1440019786;thestringpuller;"Put Molly all in her champagne, she ain't even know it / I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain't even know it." - Rick Ross
1244434;1440019790;mircea_popescu;aha
1244435;1440019852;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1244436;1440019881;phf;bitch, i mybe, i mybe
1244437;1440019973;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they'll frame it as 'just like mining!' too. 'why did you expect to be able to use 2009 pc for a node!111 you wouldn't try to cpu-mine,' aha
1244438;1440019984;mircea_popescu;heh
1244439;1440020038;phf;ascii_field: hey, we won't even have to write an op_sigverify for qemu deployment, they'd do it for us
1244440;1440020039;trinque;phf: that one's gucci mane innit?
1244441;1440020066;trinque;I recall because that's what he said in response to asking whether he was guilty of w/e chargers
1244442;1440020069;trinque;*charges
1244443;1440020071;ascii_field;phf: qemu, l0l! then wait century for block verify
1244444;1440020094;phf;trinque: hehe
1244445;1440020328;mircea_popescu;i think he's being jew-funny.
1244446;1440020469;ascii_field;re: intel: thing is, usg economizes. why con folks into using diddled cpu, if they can be persuaded to run winblowz 10 ?
1244447;1440020487;phf;"what does it mean? -- not funny"
1244448;1440020487;ascii_field;but the cpu will be pushed, yes. the design itself predates bitcoin
1244449;1440020500;ascii_field;and is part of the overall 'diddled crypto' campaign since clinton
1244450;1440020543;mircea_popescu;phf nah, it means, "told you they're going to lose the war - already out of bullets!"
1244451;1440020588;punkman;http://www.shutdownify.com/
1244452;1440020589;assbot;Shutdownify is shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTCG2t )
1244453;1440020595;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, a man can't really ask (nor should really ask) for more than to be on the wrong side of the major battles of his time.
1244454;1440020603;mircea_popescu;give me a cato any day, keep all your cesars and pompeys.
1244455;1440020617;mircea_popescu;lol punkman
1244456;1440020659;punkman;"We knew when we started Shutdownify that its business model was risky,  since many of our clients had already run out of money and were in the  process of dissolving their companies."
1244457;1440020698;punkman;YC should have acquired them :P
1244458;1440020784;ascii_field;perhaps now mircea_popescu will buy an electron microscope.
1244459;1440020801;ascii_field;the saving grace is that the crud is all hidden in plain sight.
1244460;1440020803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00068124 = 44.2125 BTC [-] {4} 
1244461;1440020807;mircea_popescu;not all, i'm sure.
1244462;1440020818;ascii_field;plain sight in the sense that your dna is.
1244463;1440020829;ascii_field;that it is not in a safe, in washington.
1244464;1440020854;ascii_field;no need to burgle a general.
1244465;1440020998;ascii_field;'The PCLMULQDQ instruction Intel introduced in 2009
1244466;1440020999;ascii_field;on the 45nm Nehalem processor was renamed the CLMUL
1244467;1440020999;ascii_field;“Perform Carry-Less Multiplication” later that year and
1244468;1440020999;ascii_field;appeared in the 32nm “Westmere” processor in 2010. The
1244469;1440020999;ascii_field;CLMUL is used to perform the carry-less multiplication of an
1244470;1440020999;ascii_field;integer quad word (2 – 64 bit integers). This is complemented
1244471;1440021001;ascii_field;by six AES centric instructions. While the intended use of
1244472;1440021003;ascii_field;the CLMUL instruction set is to improve the performance of
1244473;1440021005;ascii_field;applications doing block cipher encryption in Galois/Counter
1244474;1440021007;ascii_field;Mode (dependent upon finite field multiplication), the six AES
1244475;1440021010;ascii_field;instructions are specific to accelerate the FIPS Publication
1244476;1440021012;ascii_field;Number 197 standard. An important implementation
1244477;1440021014;ascii_field;of these instructions includes AES-GCM (Advanced
1244478;1440021016;ascii_field;Encryption Standard - Galois Counter Mode) where AESNI
1244479;1440021018;ascii_field;combinatorial logic appears to have a large effect on
1244480;1440021020;ascii_field;encryption speed. '
1244481;1440021022;ascii_field;ew
1244482;1440021060;ascii_field;fucking pdf
1244483;1440021072;mircea_popescu;yeah at least /\/n/ / or something
1244484;1440021072;scoopbot_revived;Shutdown Notice Startup Shutdownify Lastest Failed Startup http://qntra.net/2015/08/shutdown-notice-startup-shutdownify-lastest-failed-startup/
1244485;1440021096;ascii_field;(original turd at https://www.verisigninc.com/assets/whitepaper-advanced-encryption-standard.pdf )
1244486;1440021099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbKJz )
1244487;1440021099;BingoBoingo;^ Too good to pass up
1244488;1440021106;mircea_popescu;lol that was qwik
1244489;1440021115;mircea_popescu;did you also call the m,useum of modern art ?
1244490;1440021121;mircea_popescu;a happening's happening!
1244491;1440021138;BingoBoingo;Will later, once story is storied
1244492;1440021166;BingoBoingo;In the hallowed halls dedicated to hallowed hall where songs were sang of songs once sang
1244493;1440021194;ascii_field;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLMUL_instruction_set << surprisingly readable overview
1244494;1440021194;assbot;CLMUL instruction set - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbTwB )
1244495;1440021200;punkman;"Truth is, this service never  quite delivered on their promise.  When my last two startups closed  shop, it took shutdownify over 3 days to process the first one, and the  second was still a full two days to get up and running.  At that point I  could have just put together a page myself. It didn't help that they rewrote their tech stack from Ruby to Node even as they were trying to find customers. "
1244496;1440021299;punkman;apparently it's a joke
1244497;1440021303;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha WHAT STACK omfg
1244498;1440021667;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1244499;1440022037;punkman;"1) make web app claiming to check if someone's deets were in the Ashley  Madison DB 2) harvest this new list of philanderers to blackmail"
1244500;1440022079;ascii_field;punkman: already done with the credit card scam thing
1244501;1440022086;ascii_field;'ismyccnumberstolen.com' or what was it.
1244502;1440022114;punkman;what was it, "give me all your cc info so I can check if it's stolen?"
1244503;1440022150;punkman;kinda a trope by now
1244504;1440022174;ascii_field;ancient history.
1244505;1440022552;ascii_field;;;ticker
1244506;1440022554;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.28, Best ask: 223.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 223.3, 24 hour volume: 127511.97948833, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 255.08, 24 hour vwap: None
1244507;1440022571;ascii_field;classy
1244508;1440022583;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^
1244509;1440022596;ascii_field;apparently, once was not enough ?
1244510;1440022617;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1244511;1440022623;mircea_popescu;!up bitcoinfailed
1244512;1440022650;bitcoinfailed;hows argentina
1244513;1440022666;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they're at it again. because apparently didn't have enough last time
1244514;1440022684;mircea_popescu;pretty dumb.
1244515;1440022691;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not crossed yet or wut ?
1244516;1440022697;ascii_field;not crossed yet
1244517;1440022714;ascii_field;guess they decided that a very low resistor is safer than a dead short
1244518;1440022732;bitcoinfailed;worse than romania or par?
1244519;1440022799;mircea_popescu;argentina is slightly dumber than romania in 1960.
1244520;1440022823;bitcoinfailed;you fall for doug casey's recommendation of the place
1244521;1440022841;bitcoinfailed;and can you please get yourself a proper tailor? those bag suits look aweful.
1244522;1440022872;bitcoinfailed;$1500 get you tailored suit.
1244523;1440022882;ascii_field;http://orderbook.info << if believed - negative spreads all over the place
1244524;1440022883;assbot;Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqeVAX )
1244525;1440022924;mircea_popescu;now how would you know that.
1244526;1440022942;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think this is good for bitcoin!
1244527;1440022948;ascii_field;it's worth a l0l
1244528;1440022988;bitcoinfailed;bitcoin going to $50
1244529;1440022990;ascii_field;https://archive.is/CLrrY
1244530;1440022996;ascii_field;snapshotted the 'crossed wires' for posterity
1244531;1440022999;ascii_field;somebody deedbot it ?
1244532;1440023021;ascii_field;'cause historical graphs for spreads don't usually have room below the zero
1244533;1440023052;punkman;ascii_field: that website is doing it's own thing
1244534;1440023060;punkman;books have not crossed everywhere
1244535;1440023066;ascii_field;punkman: almost certain
1244536;1440023084;ascii_field;punkman: i couldn't possibly say whether it tells the truth
1244537;1440023099;punkman;notice two exchanges, one on each side of table
1244538;1440023109;ascii_field;but this particular gambit is working, mass sell floods (or simulacra thereof) pretty much everywhere
1244539;1440023453;ascii_field;naturally, all of this is unhappening.
1244540;1440023465;ascii_field;doubleplusunhappening.
1244541;1440023487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00068069 = 69.7367 BTC [-] {3} 
1244542;1440023540;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoWSaM61NI
1244543;1440023541;assbot;70 Awful Displays Of Sexism On Fox News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwy5vF )
1244544;1440023697;mircea_popescu;could have made it 69...
1244545;1440023741;trinque;deedbot-: http://deedbot.org/negative-spread.txt
1244546;1440023744;assbot;Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwyfTK )
1244547;1440023744;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1244548;1440023756;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMyNpGgXAAA8IcF.jpg:large
1244549;1440023757;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwydvg )
1244550;1440023809;punkman;not negative spreads!
1244551;1440023824;punkman;more "arbitrage" derping
1244552;1440023854;trinque;either way, title doesn't matter for zee bot
1244553;1440023892;trinque;oh I see what that site does.
1244554;1440023899;trinque;anyhow, was just responding to the request for deedbotting
1244555;1440023940;mircea_popescu;bitcoinfailed that's all you got btw ?
1244556;1440023952;mircea_popescu;i feel kinda scammed, those !up s go for like a bitcoin each iirc.
1244557;1440023974;bitcoinfailed;eh?
1244558;1440023993;bitcoinfailed;no i dont have much to say, i will occasionally read your musings on trilema
1244559;1440024002;bitcoinfailed;just wanted to point out its time to lose the cheap suits
1244560;1440024165;bitcoinfailed;you want something with high armholes so when you lift your arms the entire thing doesnt lift off your shoulders
1244561;1440025187;mircea_popescu;lol. this entire "cheap suits" business has its comedic value. here's something you wouldn't know : while visiting here, ben_vulpes got to meet my tailor, on the grounds that we walked by his shop downtown and teh old jewish gentleman ran out to assure his dearly beloved mr popesco that his suit will be done in time.
1244562;1440025227;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, we have yet another bleeting barn animal from anybarn, usa, derping impressively about things he's heard of, via movies.
1244563;1440025258;mircea_popescu;it makes for a decent contrast, which i guess is what all humor comes from.
1244564;1440025317;mircea_popescu;still, 6/10.
1244565;1440025376;BingoBoingo;From pr0nogra[pher, to who uses MPEx, to Suits
1244566;1440025400;mircea_popescu;all the many things reddit's expertise shines upon.
1244567;1440025415;mircea_popescu;they really should, once they're done fix bitcoin, go bring democracy to africa or what was it.
1244568;1440025418;mircea_popescu;the middle east ? i forget.
1244569;1440025427;mircea_popescu;the country of africa & middle east.
1244570;1440026086;scoopbot_revived;El Gran' Teatro Argentino http://trilema.com/2015/el-gran-teatro-argentino/
1244571;1440026654;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field>wake me up when they close mit << what, you mean THE PREMIERE something something INSTITUTION in THE WORLD!!! ?
1244572;1440026654;mircea_popescu;what nonsense is this! what'd the world do!
1244573;1440026858;mircea_popescu;trinque how do you know he means the part about immigrants and not the part about "the debt of the us shall not be questioned" ?
1244574;1440026972;mircea_popescu;<mats>ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time << he has a point. isis would be the first state actually outside of us policy since soviet russia.
1244575;1440027052;mircea_popescu;<trinque>seems about the same size << the chechens are about the same size. the us is in no sense the same size as the su when it fell. this theory can be readily verified putting the country through the equivalent of the 90s, which is coming regardless.
1244576;1440027200;mircea_popescu;<trinque>the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first << looked at the budget past decade ?
1244577;1440027214;mircea_popescu;the last light shut off is in the office of the guy giving free housing to "needy" voters.
1244578;1440027303;mircea_popescu;<trinque>we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there << nobody has any incentive whatsoever to be "american". it's not even vaguely an identity. you might wish to be texan, maybe, liek some soviets wished to be russian. but otherwiose, being an iowan or a californian or a wisconsinian or generally an american is the epitome of fair weather friends : for as long as it pays to do so and no longer.
1244579;1440027344;mats;yeah seriously. the army, for instance, is being whittled down to nothing, which has been in the works since rumsfeld/bush
1244580;1440027359;mircea_popescu;<trinque>I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes << the "entrie us military" long ago vanished. it now consists of boys playing video games and girls playing the tomboy. that is not an army, it's a psycho patient support group.
1244581;1440027374;mircea_popescu;in no way different than any other mental healthcare hospital, except it's larger and per-patient cheaper
1244582;1440027375;mats;idea goes: we fight moar proxy wars and don't need so much line infantry, so we'll employ doorkickers and hire out to palantir and academi for the rest
1244583;1440027394;mircea_popescu;right. worked so fucking splendidly over that last siege
1244584;1440027401;mircea_popescu;remember ? we lolled at it in these very logs.
1244585;1440027417;mats;am curious to see mosul.
1244586;1440027445;mircea_popescu;sorta like one's curious to see the 2006 F1.
1244587;1440027462;mircea_popescu;"oh, schumy lost." ?! "haha-had you!"
1244588;1440027623;asciilifeform;usg doesn't really need an army. just an internal gendarmerie
1244589;1440027646;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_>trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear << exactly how it went in russia heh.
1244590;1440027655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform internal, as in, in your own head ?
1244591;1440027661;asciilifeform;not the least.
1244592;1440027688;mircea_popescu;neone's welcome to furnish his own skull as he sees fit.
1244593;1440027691;asciilifeform;but also generally.
1244594;1440027723;mircea_popescu;<trinque>am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military? << you are wrong in imagining there's any sort of continuity. present day russian military shares nothing at all with the one that ended, and is almost entirely putin's making.
1244595;1440027737;mircea_popescu;much like the third reich military had no debts owed to weimar and generally was hitler's creation.
1244596;1440027757;asciilifeform;nothing but ~80% of the materiel ? l0l
1244597;1440027757;mircea_popescu;the future where russian military was like present day german military seemed the likelier eventuality in 1990.
1244598;1440027776;mats;does usg have suitcase nukes?
1244599;1440027780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that old junk ?
1244600;1440027791;asciilifeform;mats: they were Officially (tm) (r) abolished in '90s
1244601;1440027793;mircea_popescu;what's next, "they use the same topsoil!!!"
1244602;1440027814;mircea_popescu;<trinque>the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used << so does nigeria. wtf argument is this.
1244603;1440027823;mircea_popescu;"the woman has her own tits!!1" mmmyeah ?
1244604;1440027878;BingoBoingo;Double standards http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3203538/Horrifying-Facebook-page-edits-images-plus-size-models-overweight-strangers-look-thinner-creators-claiming-help-misguided-women-potential.html vs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2956952/Kim-Kardashian-Katy-Perry-plus-size-makeover-Stars-pile-pounds-photos-manipulated-Spanish-artist-says-look-better-bigger-women.html
1244605;1440027879;assbot;Project Harpoon Facebook page edits images of plus-size models to look thinner | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqfpVK )
1244606;1440027880;assbot;Kim Kardashian and Katy Perry get a plus size makeover by Spanish artist | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqfrwR )
1244607;1440027880;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field>trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction' << i suspect this is what 2015 stalin would have called dekulakization.
1244608;1440027903;BingoBoingo;Where is the editorial consistency?
1244609;1440027910;mircea_popescu;of the... daily mail ?!
1244610;1440027941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55045 @ 0.00067887 = 37.3684 BTC [-]
1244611;1440027956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: demand destruction is, approximately, the dekulakization one does for folks who have nothing
1244612;1440027966;asciilifeform;nothing, that is, but open mouths. so you - close them.
1244613;1440027967;mircea_popescu;<mats>militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC << it doesn't want or need to march in dc. all it conceivably might want is to pull a rotherham over at vassar.
1244614;1440027972;asciilifeform;(typically - permanently.)
1244615;1440027975;mircea_popescu;all those preppy white chicks probably make excellent harem slaves.
1244616;1440028022;*;asciilifeform thought that mexico had this 'market' cornered in usa ?
1244617;1440028026;mircea_popescu;<trinque>if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf? << you need to stop being racis.
1244618;1440028049;mircea_popescu;what do you think a military is, some sort of a country club ? it exists to obey orders. the orders atm are on the line of "scoring officers' sensitivity to inane nontopics"
1244619;1440028064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mexicans are kinda lazy methinks. the arabs are more serious when they do it.
1244620;1440028142;mircea_popescu;<trinque>and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg << IF you can find a certain corporal in the army that will get badly defeated and who resents the coupla decades of peace which consist mostly of american teenagers being used as public toilets from rashapur to ankara, then yes, maybe, dictatorship.
1244621;1440028149;asciilifeform;american collective immune system has been massaged on more or less nothing but 'arab' for past decade.
1244622;1440028150;mircea_popescu;that's a big if, tho.
1244623;1440028163;mircea_popescu;yes, but they have paradoxical reaction.
1244624;1440028177;mircea_popescu;most teenaged girls' immune system had been massaged on more or less nothing but "boys" for millenia
1244625;1440028188;mircea_popescu;the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
1244626;1440028193;asciilifeform;dedicated firmware in play there, no ?
1244627;1440028200;mircea_popescu;where girl goes and kneels before anotehr woman's rapist to get some herself.
1244628;1440028215;mircea_popescu;the firmware in question is both dedicated and ubiquitous.
1244629;1440028217;BingoBoingo;I have as many connections form "subver" : "/Atdollar:0.10.2/" as XT nao
1244630;1440028231;mircea_popescu;lol
1244631;1440028242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: question is, naturally, not 'whether rapist', but 'which'
1244632;1440028253;mircea_popescu;notrly. where the hell is that gif
1244633;1440028257;asciilifeform;.. biggest walrus? clearly not, that one lacked tusks, even.
1244634;1440028266;asciilifeform;biggest penguin? no, walrus
1244635;1440028289;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif
1244636;1440028291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ )
1244637;1440028293;BingoBoingo;On that note it is time for another peerdump http://dpaste.com/3C80S67
1244638;1440028295;assbot;dpaste: 3C80S67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MyFAqp )
1244639;1440028307;mircea_popescu;so, walrus is fucking a penguin. and one of those seagulls goes in front of it and exhibits itself for sexual use.
1244640;1440028319;mircea_popescu;it had plenty of other choices, such as for instance, sitting around.
1244641;1440028321;mircea_popescu;but...
1244642;1440028357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc, the behaviour is even more automatic and pronounced in certain fish
1244643;1440028368;mircea_popescu;it's the most pronounced in humans.
1244644;1440028383;mircea_popescu;orwell feigned-disgustedly called it "power worship"
1244645;1440028411;mircea_popescu;but the notion the usian will put up any sort of resistence, to any sort of invader, ofany kind come from anywhere...
1244646;1440028423;mircea_popescu;yeah, he would. like the woman puts up resistence. with her uterus.
1244647;1440028437;asciilifeform;didn't we earlier 'there is no american' ?
1244648;1440028440;mircea_popescu;whole fuckthing wouldnt' work too well if you just fell in.
1244649;1440028452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "usian" is a population. like the argentine cattle. not a nation.
1244650;1440028457;asciilifeform;aha
1244651;1440028472;asciilifeform;but let's say, texan ? also no resistance? caves in like france in ww2 ?
1244652;1440028485;asciilifeform;uteri at the ready ?
1244653;1440028492;mircea_popescu;texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough
1244654;1440028504;mircea_popescu;what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
1244655;1440028515;asciilifeform;incidentally, re: the latter, this is not spoken of much in soviet or even modern times, but when germans invaded, the barber shops near the front were packet. with gurlz.
1244656;1440028527;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1244657;1440028533;asciilifeform;*packed
1244658;1440028564;mircea_popescu;i'm sure they were all spies sent by stalin himself to lure the enemy into a false sense of confidence.
1244659;1440028573;asciilifeform;quite
1244660;1440028575;mircea_popescu;(i'm doing alf in b-a of 1939 :D)
1244661;1440028587;asciilifeform;aha l0l
1244662;1440028630;asciilifeform;it is interesting to read the jp rationale for not attempting invasion or even saboteur ops on the u.s. continent in ww2
1244663;1440028634;mircea_popescu;<trinque>chetty: this is not what happened? << no, it is not what happened.
1244664;1440028646;mircea_popescu;merely because the ww2 cost the us less than it cost europe does not mean it wasn't costly.
1244665;1440028647;asciilifeform;summed up to something like 'there's three barrels per man there, and they will all point at us'
1244666;1440028660;mircea_popescu;and generally, no involvement of us in anywhere to date has been economically productive.
1244667;1440028664;mircea_popescu;iraq is still to this day a net loss.
1244668;1440028674;asciilifeform;for country - loss
1244669;1440028678;asciilifeform;for haliburton, lockheed ?
1244670;1440028680;mircea_popescu;for the us.
1244671;1440028680;asciilifeform;life itself.
1244672;1440028697;asciilifeform;lizards != usa at large
1244673;1440028720;asciilifeform;when their current host dies, they will decamp to wherever it is they have a welcome party
1244674;1440028732;asciilifeform;(zurich? antarctica? who the fuck cares)
1244675;1440028738;mircea_popescu;you can't build yourself a rich house as a fiftene year old stealing from your father and fencing the stuff.
1244676;1440028755;mircea_popescu;they will decamp to the concentration camp.
1244677;1440028762;mircea_popescu;just like - jews, in yurp
1244678;1440028771;asciilifeform;how many rothchilds in the camps ?
1244679;1440028772;mircea_popescu;another thing nobody really wants to talk aboot.
1244680;1440028777;mircea_popescu;plenty.
1244681;1440028787;mircea_popescu;for a while there you couldf even fuck one, for the asking.
1244682;1440028790;*;asciilifeform hearing of this for the first time
1244683;1440028792;mircea_popescu;they'd hold her down for you, too.
1244684;1440028811;asciilifeform;suggest a source ?
1244685;1440028817;mircea_popescu;;;google elisabeth de rothschild
1244686;1440028817;asciilifeform;any language
1244687;1440028818;gribble;Élisabeth de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_de_Rothschild>; Philippine de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_de_Rothschild>; Baroness Philippine de Rothschild - obituary - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11056866/Baroness-Philippine-de- (1 more message)
1244688;1440028828;BingoBoingo;I seriously going to have to work on the no SPV allowed problem. Why should "/bitcoinj:0.12.3/Bitcoin Wallet:4.35-blackberry/" even think it ough to be service by my node
1244689;1440028838;mircea_popescu;;;google blanka rothschild
1244690;1440028839;gribble;Life After the Holocaust: Blanka Rothschild: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007189>; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=2845&ModuleId=10007189>; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=5945>
1244691;1440028841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato
1244692;1440028851;asciilifeform;but still reminiscent of vasiliy stalin
1244693;1440028868;asciilifeform;(wonder if he got to fuck any rothchilds before 'shot while escape')
1244694;1440028917;asciilifeform;'�lisabeth de Rothschild (n�e de Chambure; a.k.a. Lili; March 9, 1902 - March 23, 1945) was a member by marriage of the wine-making branch of the Rothschild family.'
1244695;1440028921;asciilifeform;any ~proper~ rothchilds ?
1244696;1440028953;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1244697;1440028970;mircea_popescu;the "proper" rothschilds lived in the 17th and 18th century.
1244698;1440028979;mircea_popescu;"any proper kennedys ?!?!?!!"
1244699;1440029048;asciilifeform;i don't ask for the impossible! merely the 'romanov gold standard' of cleansing
1244700;1440029053;mircea_popescu;heh
1244701;1440029072;mircea_popescu;unlike in the case of the romanovs, by the 1940s time had already cleansed this bunch.
1244702;1440029092;mircea_popescu;(but i can bring same argument - hey, any PROPER romanovs the reds shot ?)
1244703;1440029105;mircea_popescu;not like you're gonna try and argue THAT bunch of degenerates were the true namesakes.
1244704;1440029152;asciilifeform;^ point
1244705;1440029161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9561 @ 0.00069302 = 6.626 BTC [+]
1244706;1440029199;asciilifeform;sometimes, one even gets the 'old and new romanovs' in same physical package.
1244707;1440029204;asciilifeform;e.g., hitler 34 vs 45
1244708;1440029214;mircea_popescu;guess so.
1244709;1440029219;mircea_popescu;hitler was a derp throughout tho.
1244710;1440029226;mircea_popescu;a thir dting nobody wants to say
1244711;1440029229;asciilifeform;derp with full battery vs empty
1244712;1440029232;asciilifeform;makes difference
1244713;1440029233;mircea_popescu;lucky derp, at first, yes. but luck runs out.
1244714;1440029242;mircea_popescu;yeah, it does. until it runs out.
1244715;1440029254;mircea_popescu;then you get "the german people have failed and let's blow everything up"
1244716;1440029258;asciilifeform;how else.
1244717;1440029258;mircea_popescu;because we're fucking 14.
1244718;1440029271;asciilifeform;everybody's 14 when their battery runs down.
1244719;1440029283;mircea_popescu;in the casino for the first time, and can only win, because mom had us with saint Winny.
1244720;1440029294;mircea_popescu;no dude. not everyone's 14 when their battery runs down.
1244721;1440029308;mircea_popescu;the even reason you bother selecting people in the first place, is that.
1244722;1440029358;asciilifeform;example ?
1244723;1440029381;mircea_popescu;;;google fefeleaga
1244724;1440029381;gribble;Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/>; Popasul Fefeleaga - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti30gFW8GiM>; Asta-i Romania - Iti aduci aminte de Fefeleaga? Reporterii nostri au ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvysS6zgw1o>
1244725;1440029386;mircea_popescu;heh.
1244726;1440029405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00070503 = 4.4339 BTC [+]
1244727;1440029412;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am testing out my new just in time examples webservice, built on node.js and ruby on rails!
1244728;1440029421;asciilifeform;l0lz
1244729;1440029497;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn8r4/nick_szabo_on_twitter_what_happens_when_the << moar from the filipinotron
1244730;1440029499;assbot;Nick Szabo on Twitter: "What happens when the managers and investors ignore the engineers and scientists .. . " : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqi95w )
1244731;1440029517;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?
1244732;1440029524;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is it the managers get the short stick again!
1244733;1440029534;mircea_popescu;what am i, an engineer now ? a scientist ? wtf is this pious fraud bs.
1244734;1440029540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa 'manager' is more or less synonymous with 'pointy boss'
1244735;1440029548;mircea_popescu;nevertheless!!!!
1244736;1440029566;asciilifeform;sorta like the word 'programmer' to mircea_popescu is synonymous with mark karpeles
1244737;1440029566;mircea_popescu;in africa doctor is more or less synonymous with shaman, what the fuck light does that throw on any discussion
1244738;1440029599;mircea_popescu;the word programmer, to me, is chiefly synonymous with rms.
1244739;1440029624;asciilifeform;the fella who hasn't programmed since what, '95 ?
1244740;1440029644;mircea_popescu;neither has anyone else.
1244741;1440029650;asciilifeform;and hasn't overseen others program since perhaps '05
1244742;1440029663;mircea_popescu;well we're not talking 2015 rms specifically k ?
1244743;1440029671;asciilifeform;then sure.
1244744;1440029683;mircea_popescu;otherwise what, "bravery to me is X" "oh, you mean pissing ? because X pissed at a certain point in time!"
1244745;1440029893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.00068488 = 1.8403 BTC [-] {2} 
1244746;1440029920;asciilifeform;'Meanwhile in a cattle herd inhabiting an endless plain, the strictures of speech as a regulator of human activity do not exist per se. Argentines do not speak like you and me, Argentines bleat and bark like your sheep and dogs. They appreciate the loudness, the sudden quality, the melodicity, the formal "propriety" of speech much like a parrot judges another parrot's noises. They do not however comprehend, nor do they have an
1244747;1440029921;asciilifeform;y expectation that words string together into anything other than a noisy flow, and in no case does any notion occur to bother them that perhaps words carry the future in any sense.' << where is this ~not~ the case ?
1244748;1440029935;mircea_popescu;rinque>my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries << kick that dem-socialist coolaid srsly.
1244749;1440029949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform among people.
1244750;1440029975;asciilifeform;where do i buy a ticket to, to see some ~people~ ?
1244751;1440030004;mircea_popescu;yeah. me too.
1244752;1440030089;mircea_popescu;http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/21/legendary-10-warthog-sends-isis-fleeing-even-as-it-faces-pentagon-cuts/ in other news.
1244753;1440030090;assbot;Legendary A-10 'Warthog' sends ISIS fleeing even as it faces Pentagon cuts | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqjklm )
1244754;1440030117;asciilifeform;'puff the magic dragon'
1244755;1440030134;BingoBoingo;No, that's the AC-130
1244756;1440030239;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, has ever existed a worse failure than the GSh-6-30
1244757;1440030297;mircea_popescu;fucking comedic that thing, should have a surrealist film made about it
1244758;1440030480;asciilifeform;'The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instr
1244759;1440030480;asciilifeform;ument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200 meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.' << l0l
1244760;1440030502;*;asciilifeform isn't necessarily buying this wholesale
1244761;1440030512;mircea_popescu;the only people that ever made the airplane tank work were the 60s usians.
1244762;1440030525;asciilifeform;il-2 worked
1244763;1440030531;mircea_popescu;barely.
1244764;1440030534;asciilifeform;well enough.
1244765;1440030538;mircea_popescu;that their deranged successors don't even recognise the marks of this...
1244766;1440030545;mircea_popescu;tell you what asciilifeform, bitcoin works well enough.
1244767;1440030557;asciilifeform;doesntit?
1244768;1440030602;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1244769;1440030608;mircea_popescu;by about an inch.
1244770;1440030624;asciilifeform;like il-2.
1244771;1440030808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51653 @ 0.00070113 = 36.2155 BTC [+] {3} 
1244772;1440030847;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/562ac2236fcaadfa4772643e97bdfe09/tumblr_nq30unWHdb1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
1244773;1440030848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqkMEx )
1244774;1440030867;BingoBoingo;A-10 is basically flying pogo
1244775;1440030879;trinque;mircea_popescu | texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough << this is a fair point, and drives home all the rest.
1244776;1440030881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do they make chicks with faces any more ?
1244777;1440030888;asciilifeform;or are those a specialty item
1244778;1440030899;mircea_popescu;whadda ya mean ?
1244779;1440030902;trinque;my perspective came from thinking of the country as a singular thing.
1244780;1440030912;trinque;when my own identity is very much involved with the idea that it isn't
1244781;1440030914;trinque;see: Texan
1244782;1440030922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230318 << meant this
1244783;1440030922;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 04:50:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.'
1244784;1440030931;mircea_popescu;trinque you know, the austro-hungarians had much better call to think of their alcatuire as "a singular thing"
1244785;1440030938;mircea_popescu;it vanished like foam.
1244786;1440030968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this latest girl looks dumb to you ?!
1244787;1440030980;*;trinque departs, thanks for the responses.
1244788;1440030993;asciilifeform;not dumb per se - but americanized
1244789;1440031001;asciilifeform;it's a kind of kabuki
1244790;1440031032;asciilifeform;where traces of intelligence, of expression - ground off, like the unnecessary glass in a lens
1244791;1440031033;mircea_popescu;the girls iirc czech, and hm... don't ever visit bohemia then. it's where the small round cro mignon faceship landed
1244792;1440031039;mircea_popescu;well, that and the arctic, at any rate.
1244793;1440031054;asciilifeform;it is also where, i'm told, american pisswater beer was invented.
1244794;1440031078;mircea_popescu;lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.
1244795;1440031139;asciilifeform;hey, if eskimos or pygmies had invented it, it would be sop in usa just the same
1244796;1440031352;BingoBoingo;IN other news Corn fields looking markedly worse this week
1244797;1440031488;BingoBoingo;Just lots of stunted, short and prematurely yellow swaths of the stuff.
1244798;1440031675;BingoBoingo;Last week on KMOX Illinois DepAg was talking about a fall of 15% over last year's crop, but shit looks to have started dying really fast
1244799;1440032471;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1244800;1440032529;pete_dushenski;heya bb
1244801;1440032610;*;mircea_popescu has found expressions. here you go alfie : http://40.media.tumblr.com/3f0ee5f8d2599756d334bfb82b808e1c/tumblr_nq2z7gOWuC1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
1244802;1440032611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmaiER )
1244803;1440032659;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/#comment-27007
1244804;1440032660;assbot;Scratch | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmansj )
1244805;1440032760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00069183 = 30.2676 BTC [-]
1244806;1440032776;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244794 << fish sticks
1244807;1440032776;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 00:37:58; mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.
1244808;1440032797;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field>the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter << orly ? http://trilema.com/2013/no-womans-land/#selection-449.68-449.225
1244809;1440032798;assbot;No Woman's Land on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmayDT )
1244810;1440032907;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1244811;1440032914;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 229.03, vol: 22207.10059825 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 224.665, vol: 12951.48373 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 228.28, vol: 49340.32891638 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 222.23, vol: 12.31153437 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.539252, vol: 28568.41500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 230.68, vol: 234.52257077 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 240.624, vol: 188.77977785 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1244812;1440032915;BingoBoingo;;;more
1244813;1440032915;gribble;228.859421478
1244814;1440032950;pete_dushenski;volume calmed down. slightly.
1244815;1440032960;pete_dushenski;still a joke but w/e
1244816;1440032972;pete_dushenski;even jokes calm down eventually
1244817;1440033048;mircea_popescu;ascii_field>vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid << in fairness : this was bismarck's idea, to finance the pre-ww1 eurozone. it HAD to be constantly rolled up in higher and higher schemes, because at all points throughout the past two centuries, bismarck's folly (pay now and the more people coming next will pay you) seemed too big to fail.
1244818;1440033061;asciilifeform;as always, l0l
1244819;1440033089;mircea_popescu;and it'll keep getting rolled if at all possible,
1244820;1440033100;mircea_popescu;because renouncing it still to this day seems too much to ask.
1244821;1440033227;mircea_popescu;trinque>china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its own, private local
1244822;1440033227;mircea_popescu;policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.
1244823;1440033253;mircea_popescu;this is a political disaster for the us, nothing like the superficial humiliations it has received politically from the likes of putin and practically from the likes of isis
1244824;1440033264;mircea_popescu;because in reaction to this, those countries have, and do, and will reallign.
1244825;1440033291;BingoBoingo;;;later tell trinque Missouri is probably a better Texas than Texas
1244826;1440033291;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1244827;1440033293;mircea_popescu;now, a graphite baton can survive some cleavage. but a glass baton will shatter.
1244828;1440033346;mircea_popescu;and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.
1244829;1440033377;mircea_popescu;so no, it's not bias. just facts you don't know in contexts you don't grasp.
1244830;1440033420;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i'm about as biased in favour of an empire of china as i'm biased in favour of an empire of grasshoppers.
1244831;1440033459;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field>'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position' << amusingly, this bled from the DoD into the "law enforcement" paramilitary wing.
1244832;1440033569;pete_dushenski;;;remove 22434
1244833;1440033569;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
1244834;1440033627;pete_dushenski;;;remove 22434
1244835;1440033627;gribble;Order 22434 removed.
1244836;1440033643;mircea_popescu;wilbns>Sovereign credit ratings from Moody�s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct << unavoidably. they have been largely ignored ever since the ridiculous failures they displayed a decade or so ago.
1244837;1440033648;asciilifeform;stay awake folks, about to post something kewl
1244838;1440033675;pete_dushenski;now that i slept through a fringe show this afternoon, i'm awake.
1244839;1440033711;pete_dushenski;speaking of said show, the review is another missed shot by scoopbot_revived. that williamdunne...
1244840;1440033720;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/
1244841;1440033721;assbot;Loon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmbTuq )
1244842;1440033832;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
1244843;1440033836;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1244844;1440033837;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html
1244845;1440033838;assbot;[BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )
1244846;1440033919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00069075 = 12.5026 BTC [-]
1244847;1440033937;BingoBoingo;Xoas
1244848;1440033953;asciilifeform;?
1244849;1440034047;asciilifeform;if anyone does not understand why i did this, or, alternatively, believes that this ought to have been done in some other way - please speak.
1244850;1440034063;BingoBoingo;Chaos in the greek root, the 'V'oid
1244851;1440034081;asciilifeform;otherwise, friends, go and verify, and sign the output!
1244852;1440034086;asciilifeform;and post the sig
1244853;1440034098;asciilifeform;if everyone's output is the same, the sigs will be valid!
1244854;1440034110;asciilifeform;when tested against what is produced in this recipe, now or 100 years from now.
1244855;1440034174;asciilifeform;(offtopic: perhaps the single most asinine aspect of gpg signature as-we-have-it is the lack of a clearly delineated space to write ~why~ you are signing something.)
1244856;1440034192;asciilifeform;most folks cram it into the payload, yes.
1244857;1440034196;asciilifeform;but there is not always a place.
1244858;1440034253;mircea_popescu;tye why and the what are not separable.
1244859;1440034323;mircea_popescu;but yes, this is the right thing.
1244860;1440034392;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: << thanks ascii, will take a look.
1244861;1440034705;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1244862;1440034708;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
1244863;1440034710;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000149.html
1244864;1440034711;assbot;[BTC-dev] V Breath-of-Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXXQNL )
1244865;1440034712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069075 = 6.3549 BTC [-]
1244866;1440034732;mod6;asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?
1244867;1440034764;asciilifeform;mod6: yes.
1244868;1440034766;asciilifeform;apologies.
1244869;1440034778;mod6;np. just checkin.
1244870;1440034786;asciilifeform;re: breath of life: again, the beauty of cruel equations: if your vdiffs are correctly generated, my signatures will verify.
1244871;1440034788;asciilifeform;OTHERWISE NOT.
1244872;1440034826;pete_dushenski;sneaky
1244873;1440034833;asciilifeform;if you read the 'orchestra' post and followed instructions, you have a set that will verify against 'breath of life.'
1244874;1440034838;asciilifeform;that you should have generated yourself.
1244875;1440034870;asciilifeform;with 'breath of life', it is now possible to use 'v'. even though i have not given it to anyone yet...
1244876;1440034877;asciilifeform;can write it yourself. not so hard.
1244877;1440034925;*;BingoBoingo just impressed there exists a versioning system nao
1244878;1440034941;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo might be anti-impressed when he realizes what it consists of
1244879;1440034945;asciilifeform;... largely, 'grep'.
1244880;1440034956;asciilifeform;and some recursion.
1244881;1440035070;BingoBoingo;Mebbe we have different definitions of impressed.
1244882;1440035444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21441 @ 0.00069073 = 14.8099 BTC [-] {2} 
1244883;1440035505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10249 @ 0.00068488 = 7.0193 BTC [-]
1244884;1440035598;asciilifeform;incidentally, if you make a mistake in your 'genesis', other vpatches also will fail.
1244885;1440035629;*;BingoBoingo humble enough to assume if something doesn't work that I introduced the problem
1244886;1440035688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00068488 = 22.4278 BTC [-]
1244887;1440035924;pete_dushenski;"To M. Popescu: I apologize. I was arrogant and wrong and insulting."
1244888;1440035930;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598
1244889;1440035932;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw2iQE )
1244890;1440036046;pete_dushenski;almost 6 months to the day later. was there a yeshiva in there ?
1244891;1440036054;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ty, I hadn't checked to approve new commenters, so must still have cookie from original comment
1244892;1440036134;BingoBoingo;commented from same ip
1244893;1440036205;mircea_popescu;o.O
1244894;1440036219;mircea_popescu;this can happen ? which internet is this ?
1244895;1440036265;BingoBoingo;An internet between the ROckie Mountains and Pacific ocean
1244896;1440036273;mircea_popescu;as the romanian expression goes, "sa increstam in grinda".
1244897;1440036279;pete_dushenski;internet 0.5.4
1244898;1440036332;pete_dushenski;"Raja Bhatia, Ashley Madison's founding CTO who today consults for the website's team, is not convinced this leak is real. He told investigative journo Brian Krebs this evening that the site does not store credit card numbers. "If there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us, because we don’t even have that," Bhatia added." << vs. internet 3.0
1244899;1440036346;pete_dushenski;"we don't even do that !"
1244900;1440036359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00068093 = 11.7481 BTC [-]
1244901;1440036404;pete_dushenski;"if someone claims that we provide security and confidentiality, you ~know~ they've got the wrong guys !"
1244902;1440036406;mircea_popescu;concerned ceo told the clueless press "i don't even" in an emotionally charged meeting over tea tonight
1244903;1440036565;mircea_popescu;anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it�s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".
1244904;1440036580;mircea_popescu;clinton can rest easy, his school of public communication still depends on what is is.
1244905;1440036792;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: unless you're already writing up today's am break, i think i'll take a crack at it for qntra
1244906;1440036806;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Give it a go
1244907;1440036823;pete_dushenski;aite
1244908;1440037043;BingoBoingo;Moar qntra always welcome
1244909;1440037207;hanbot;<mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?  << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).
1244910;1440037406;mod6;it's in the chicken.tar.gz
1244911;1440037479;mod6;asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo.  vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
1244912;1440037480;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )
1244913;1440037487;mod6;Has any one else noticed this error?
1244914;1440037754;mircea_popescu;"There's absolutely no difference between Keiser's scamcoin and Gavin's scam coin as far as the network is concerned : while one's a scammer that I humiliatingly defeated in the past whereas the other a scammer that I humiliatingly defeat in the future, this makes no difference for Bitcoin."
1244915;1440037759;mircea_popescu;shiiit i love reading my old stuff.
1244916;1440037884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9376 @ 0.0006785 = 6.3616 BTC [-] {2} 
1244917;1440037985;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43610
1244918;1440037986;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw6iAT )
1244919;1440038250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00067776 = 44.4272 BTC [-] {3} 
1244920;1440038311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8408 @ 0.00069384 = 5.8338 BTC [+] {2} 
1244921;1440038506;mod6;alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt  to produce a vpatch as discussed in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html : Here is the diff of the vdiff my script produced v. the one included with asciilifeform's email: http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt
1244922;1440038507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )
1244923;1440038508;assbot;[BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )
1244924;1440038510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7cgF )
1244925;1440038548;mod6;The hashes look like the match -- mainly.  asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?
1244926;1440038860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.000696 = 43.3608 BTC [+] {4} 
1244927;1440038906;mod6;hanbot: so yeah, chicken.tar.gz isn't linked in the 'V Genesis' email.  But it can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz
1244928;1440038907;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7ZON )
1244929;1440038921;mod6;(contains the mainifest you are looking for)
1244930;1440038938;hanbot;thx mod6, grabbed it
1244931;1440038947;mod6;good deal.
1244932;1440038966;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0XSGB0B.txt
1244933;1440038967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw86d8 )
1244934;1440039149;mircea_popescu;http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious
1244935;1440039150;assbot;EXCLUSIV Topul orașelor cu cele mai accesibile locuinţe din România ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw8yrK )
1244936;1440039259;mircea_popescu;20-30k euro / 50mp aka 4-600 usd/sqft.
1244937;1440039551;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: CLean up that submission, stop inserting style="text-align: left; stuff
1244938;1440039607;pete_dushenski;dude, it makes no difference
1244939;1440039629;pete_dushenski;i had it on 'justify' like i do on all contravex, then i remembered that qntra is 'left'
1244940;1440039651;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm cleaning it up, but can't be inserting extra style. Breaks the consisten qntra look.
1244941;1440039663;pete_dushenski;?
1244942;1440039676;pete_dushenski;dude, qntra is 'left' by default
1244943;1440039701;pete_dushenski;these qntra editors and their trolling ;/
1244944;1440039738;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But not justified. Many sane browsers don't support justified text syle
1244945;1440039741;BingoBoingo;*style
1244946;1440040047;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: u so raja
1244947;1440040097;BingoBoingo;Really the "style" attribute inside tags has no reason to be used ever
1244948;1440040199;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Also in you anchor tags, what is with this "target" business?
1244949;1440040266;scoopbot_revived;Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/
1244950;1440040271;pete_dushenski;i'll be sure to omit those next time, my apologies bb
1244951;1440040318;mod6;<p">Any data not signed ...
1244952;1440040366;pete_dushenski;hm ya...
1244953;1440040384;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm just giving you shit, but ...
1244954;1440040384;pete_dushenski;i b0rked this formatting job
1244955;1440040388;BingoBoingo;mod6: fixed
1244956;1440040393;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No I did
1244957;1440040449;BingoBoingo;It's just if you are marking up text for display... WHy butcher the whole thing with superfluous attributes?
1244958;1440040494;asciilifeform;http://www.futurologyalert.com/2015/08/nasa-has-been-granted-200000-year-for.html << 'spreading works!!11'
1244959;1440040495;assbot;Futurology alert: NASA has been granted $200,000 a year for a project that recycles human poop into man-made food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwbftf )
1244960;1440040531;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244909 << yes. and if anyone really wants me to gpg-sign this 'yes', i will
1244961;1440040531;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 02:20:07; hanbot: <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?  << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).
1244962;1440040553;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244925 << if you have a copy of gpg, verify with that
1244963;1440040553;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 02:42:28; mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly.  asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?
1244964;1440040556;asciilifeform;that was the intent
1244965;1440040570;asciilifeform;you should get same thing i did, possibly excepting the timestamps
1244966;1440040588;asciilifeform;(i'm for abolishing those, on account of their profound uselessness...)
1244967;1440040610;asciilifeform;at any rate, diff it with mine, nothing but timestamps must differ.
1244968;1440040650;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244934 << neato, a small flat costs like a car in usa
1244969;1440040650;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 02:52:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious
1244970;1440040655;mod6;it look to me that the hashes match.  but they're not all in the same order for som reason.
1244971;1440040659;mod6;*some
1244972;1440040671;asciilifeform;mod6: interesting. sort, compare.
1244973;1440040683;asciilifeform;srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux
1244974;1440040691;mod6;yeah, i'll go through it closer tomorrow see if I can work it out.
1244975;1440040716;mod6;true. no idea why that awk command seems to honk on ubuntu.
1244976;1440040716;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244911 << oh for fuck's sake
1244977;1440040716;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 02:24:39; mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo.  vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
1244978;1440040723;asciilifeform;y'know what,
1244979;1440040727;asciilifeform;if you have an ubuntu,
1244980;1440040733;asciilifeform;take it by its reins, lead it out behind the barn,
1244981;1440040734;BingoBoingo;BBC
1244982;1440040738;asciilifeform;and shoot it in the head.
1244983;1440040746;mod6;hahah
1244984;1440040753;asciilifeform;then sell for glue.
1244985;1440040785;asciilifeform;this is from here on my official recommendation re: ubuntu of all versions.
1244986;1440040803;asciilifeform;'plan9' is more of a linux than ubuntu.
1244987;1440040807;asciilifeform;fuck, qnx is.
1244988;1440040810;mircea_popescu;lol
1244989;1440040832;asciilifeform;i will support plan9 (which, i dare say, is spiffy) long before ubuntu.
1244990;1440040880;BingoBoingo;plan9 is really pretty fly
1244991;1440040971;BingoBoingo;http://morpheus.2f30.org/ << chunks of plan9 running on a linux kernel
1244992;1440040972;assbot;Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )
1244993;1440040978;asciilifeform;snore.
1244994;1440040984;asciilifeform;gimme all or nothing, i say.
1244995;1440040999;asciilifeform;screw this 'i ran an os in userland on other os because i needed a thesis 111!!111' shit.
1244996;1440041056;BingoBoingo;Problem seems to be they used plan9 userland as a path to saving linux when the linux part could have been flushed
1244997;1440041134;*;BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...
1244998;1440041140;*;BingoBoingo glares at Eulora
1244999;1440041269;BingoBoingo;!up TheRealJohnGalt
1245000;1440041297;asciilifeform;!s from:TheRealJohnGalt
1245001;1440041298;assbot;0 results for 'from:TheRealJohnGalt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ATheRealJohnGalt
1245002;1440041305;asciilifeform;hm?
1245003;1440041327;asciilifeform;kakobrekla?
1245004;1440041361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00067809 = 17.2506 BTC [-] {3} 
1245005;1440041499;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244949 << surprisingly little discussion in the press re: the fact of there being virtually no actual (vs. perl script) females in the system
1245006;1440041499;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 03:11:06; scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/
1245007;1440041519;asciilifeform;perhaps this is sop. if so, one can wonder why the chumpers signed up to begin with
1245008;1440041541;asciilifeform;who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ?
1245009;1440041573;*;asciilifeform spent an unhealthily large chunk of today crawling the dump
1245010;1440041593;asciilifeform;it has, yes, corp. financials
1245011;1440041604;pete_dushenski;http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/
1245012;1440041606;assbot;shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )
1245013;1440041606;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143999753415770&w=2 << OpenBDSM 5.8 drops early because 20th birthday
1245014;1440041608;assbot;'openbsd 5.8 pre-orders' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwcj0r )
1245015;1440041622;asciilifeform;and yes, they keep all in 'excel.' because gott mit uns or something
1245016;1440041715;pete_dushenski;"First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine" << lel. this one's for adam_obrien
1245017;1440041722;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: who wrote this ?
1245018;1440041733;pete_dushenski;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/
1245019;1440041735;assbot;First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj )
1245020;1440041742;asciilifeform;no, not that
1245021;1440041746;asciilifeform;the 'xt trojan' piece
1245022;1440041753;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? << Some locales it is fishing with dynamite
1245023;1440041777;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it is surprisingly sane
1245024;1440041790;BingoBoingo;<assbot> First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj ) << Welcome to the Terror DOme
1245025;1440041791;assbot;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYwt )
1245026;1440041811;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://shitco.in/author/mike1337/ << 'goat'
1245027;1440041812;assbot;shitco.in | Author | goat ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYfT )
1245028;1440041832;asciilifeform;wasn't 'goat' a sc4mz0r of some description ?
1245029;1440041852;asciilifeform;or is there more than one
1245030;1440041854;pete_dushenski;https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ << may be same as this mike ?
1245031;1440041856;assbot;Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkk1s4 )
1245032;1440041886;asciilifeform;at any rate, it is astonishingly factual, at first glance
1245033;1440041889;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Multiple goats
1245034;1440041919;pete_dushenski;the timelines add up. first post on shitco.in on may 4, 2015. last post on wp site on feb 27, 2015
1245035;1440041948;asciilifeform;will be interesting to see what mircea_popescu makes of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245011
1245036;1440041948;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 03:33:24; pete_dushenski: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/
1245037;1440042456;hanbot;asciilifeform so lemme get something straight here:
1245038;1440042460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why surprising ? nobody seriously thought women were in there.
1245039;1440042463;asciilifeform;glaringly, no mention of therealbitcoin
1245040;1440042469;asciilifeform;but all else is a good exposition.
1245041;1440042480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the chumpers, one might suppose, thought this
1245042;1440042503;asciilifeform;hanbot: hm?
1245043;1440042522;hanbot;"orchestra" supercedes "rotor" which supercedes "stator", and the v versioning system is usable (as-is) for "orchestra" only, correct?
1245044;1440042554;asciilifeform;orchestra consists of precisely the same patches which made it into rel1 and those which are being considered by mod6 and ben_vulpes for inclusion in rel2
1245045;1440042571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not reading random expose of random derp hoping to matter. sorry.
1245046;1440042597;asciilifeform;hanbot: in its present condition, it supercedes nothing at all, except for the laborious 'here's where to get all the patches and how they depend on each other' docs
1245047;1440042636;asciilifeform;hanbot: it will, possibly, supercede these if and when ben_vulpes, mod6, et al, agree that my current approach is correct.
1245048;1440042641;pete_dushenski;gnite all!
1245049;1440042643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50352 @ 0.00067691 = 34.0838 BTC [-] {4} 
1245050;1440042653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it has snapshots of choice hearnias, with commentary
1245051;1440042672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and a more-or-less accurate (for a non-#b-a denizen) outline of events re: same.
1245052;1440042688;mircea_popescu;good for it. i dun know the author and don't care what he might wish to say one way or the other.
1245053;1440042732;asciilifeform;skip the parts where he talks, then
1245054;1440042744;asciilifeform;(thing is full of screen caps of hearn & gavin and their code, doing their thing.)
1245055;1440042781;hanbot;asciilifeform okay. but supposing i want to try out your versioning system & sign it and all, i -need- the "orchestra" build, do i not?
1245056;1440042782;asciilifeform;anyone who doesn't care for the 'entomology' here - can safely skip whole shebang.
1245057;1440042793;mircea_popescu;they're taken from other people.
1245058;1440042810;asciilifeform;hanbot: you will, yes. but it is not a build, presently. only a set of patches re-created with vdiff and signed - currently by myself only.
1245059;1440042811;mircea_popescu;the thing's basically a usgism, in spirit if not in form.
1245060;1440042818;mircea_popescu;"here's my picture in front of the pyramids"
1245061;1440042820;mircea_popescu;w/.
1245062;1440042822;mircea_popescu;w/e.
1245063;1440042825;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entomological interest only, yes.
1245064;1440042831;*;asciilifeform brb eating food
1245065;1440042841;mircea_popescu;im not saying you shouldn't read it or anything, but you asked me what i make of it. i don't.
1245066;1440042847;hanbot;asciilifeform oh, i see. thanks!
1245067;1440043174;mircea_popescu;re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.
1245068;1440043192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0006759 = 12.9097 BTC [-] {3} 
1245069;1440043220;mircea_popescu;the value proposition of ashley madison reads something likle "you too can be ALMOST like one of those dudes that cheats on his wife. except, you won't ever get caught, because... you're not ACTUALLY doing it"
1245070;1440043247;mircea_popescu;which is why the breach is particularly ruinous to them. as seinfeld said, "that's why divorce is so traumatic : you've been impeached, and i wasn't even the president!"
1245071;1440043278;mircea_popescu;there might have been some hookers working the cream off the top, those 1-2% oif males that finally got the nerve together to actually GASP!~1 meet someone after 10 or so years of derping around on the site.
1245072;1440043303;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, given the stolid stupidity of those chicks on camwhores.com or w/e offered bitcoin.... safer bet is "no".
1245073;1440043370;BingoBoingo;Ashley Madison at some point took in serious fiat though. They had prominent TV ads which means either VC suckers or customer suckers
1245074;1440043387;mircea_popescu;vc suckers.
1245075;1440043407;BingoBoingo;Could be both, seems they hooked Tony Blair
1245076;1440043429;mircea_popescu;males are notoriously stupid.
1245077;1440043454;mircea_popescu;the only reason there isn't a cock eating rock somewhere is pure chance. otherwise, if it offered a hole, it'd eat well enough.
1245078;1440043467;BingoBoingo;Of course. I mean Mr. Tusk fucked the shit out of that penguin.
1245079;1440043473;mircea_popescu;lol
1245080;1440043520;BingoBoingo;re:walrus can not reccoment Kevin SMith's 'Tusk' enough, because... [spoiler redacted]
1245081;1440043591;BingoBoingo;Yes plenty of CanadiaMerican retardation, but... actually the five line synopis and punchline may be enough
1245082;1440043619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00069422 = 17.8415 BTC [+]
1245083;1440043681;BingoBoingo;Premise it totally improved though by seeing bad thing happen to actor who was the face of OS X for so long
1245084;1440043913;mircea_popescu;"Established Men, a website dedicated to pairing up beautiful young women with successful older men." << - >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/
1245085;1440043914;assbot;The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxR3lb )
1245086;1440043917;mircea_popescu;good idea, too bad they failed.
1245087;1440044082;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im half-amused that the "mainstream media" fails to connect the fetlife story to the ashley madison story.
1245088;1440044091;mircea_popescu;what exactly does "investigative" mean anymore ?
1245089;1440044121;mircea_popescu;buncha derps couldn't find their way out of a nonexistent paper bag, yet wish to have a "profession" and get "salaries". why "? for what ?
1245090;1440044124;mircea_popescu;"they need it!!1"
1245091;1440044126;mircea_popescu;riiite.
1245092;1440044181;asciilifeform;as if it weren't obvious what it means
1245093;1440044196;asciilifeform;the sacramental http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
1245094;1440044196;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1245095;1440044220;mircea_popescu;im sure it pays the bills.
1245096;1440044223;asciilifeform;that 'unhappen' button, it never seems to wear out.
1245097;1440044235;asciilifeform;always a nice, satisfying -click-zap-
1245098;1440044412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98841 @ 0.00070506 = 69.6888 BTC [+] {4} 
1245099;1440044430;asciilifeform;l0l, hearnia ssl is back!
1245100;1440044431;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-11780fa178b655146cb414161c635219R112
1245101;1440044434;assbot;Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkbXbv )
1245102;1440044444;asciilifeform;hardcoded certs, even.
1245103;1440044452;mircea_popescu;lmao
1245104;1440044463;mircea_popescu;the lolcow that just keeps giving
1245105;1440044472;asciilifeform;whole shebang worth reading, for the patient
1245106;1440044473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30351 @ 0.000706 = 21.4278 BTC [+]
1245107;1440044476;asciilifeform;or qntraists
1245108;1440044511;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-20ca0fc983bf911ac1076a201d6cd491R4 << ban list, supposedly of 'tor' users, but dynamically updated at all times.
1245109;1440044513;assbot;Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc0Ea )
1245110;1440044638;asciilifeform;'Future... ...Design a protocol to let user wallets gain priority by proving ownership of coin age, as they tend to have short lived connections and roam around different IPs, but we still want to serve them ahead of long term idling connections.' << lulzy. hearn would have all nodes run hotwallet to 'prove coin age'
1245111;1440044700;asciilifeform;translated for humans, means 'if you wanna talk, prove you're a leaf node running hearnia. and don't pretend to be infrastructural node, we know who they are already and i don't recall selling you a license'
1245112;1440044759;asciilifeform;'CIPGroupData... A group of logically related IP addresses. Useful for banning or deprioritising sources of abusive traffic/DoS attacks.' << that would be, presumably, us.
1245113;1440044804;asciilifeform;'Calculate the priority of the new IP to see if we should drop it immediately (normal) or kick one of the other peers out to make room for it.' -- are you a plebe, or a loyal servant of the crown
1245114;1440044878;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1245115;1440044887;mircea_popescu;"priority" by proving ownership
1245116;1440044893;mircea_popescu;as foretold by alf a year or so ago,
1245117;1440044907;asciilifeform;my arse foretells!
1245118;1440044908;mircea_popescu;back when hearn wasn't even a shitstain on his owner's pants yet.
1245119;1440044941;mircea_popescu;pretty funny to see just what communitard understood of bitcoin lol.
1245120;1440044950;asciilifeform;curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_URL, "https://check.torproject.org/exit-addresses");
1245121;1440044954;asciilifeform;for fuxxsake
1245122;1440044958;mircea_popescu;ahahahah
1245123;1440044984;asciilifeform;and, gentlemen, get yer barf buckets,
1245124;1440044986;mircea_popescu;i dunno why all the "bitcoin fork" derpage. this really is solidcoin v2.0
1245125;1440044988;asciilifeform;if (cert == NULL) {
1245126;1440044988;asciilifeform;+        // This should never happen.
1245127;1440044988;asciilifeform;+        LogPrintf("ipgroups: Could not parse hard-coded cert\n");
1245128;1440044988;asciilifeform;+        BIO_free(bio);
1245129;1440044988;asciilifeform;+        return CURLE_OK;   // Proceed anyway.
1245130;1440044989;asciilifeform;+    }
1245131;1440044992;mircea_popescu;same haphazard style.
1245132;1440045014;mircea_popescu;you're prolly not old enough for it, but if yo uare THAT patient, asciilifeform dig up the old solidcoin stuff. it was a goldmine.
1245133;1440045057;asciilifeform;actually iirc i did dig it out
1245134;1440045061;asciilifeform;at mircea_popescu's instigation
1245135;1440045066;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about.
1245136;1440045094;asciilifeform;and yes, quite reminiscent.
1245137;1440045113;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the same, oh, it's broken ? no problem pinoy fix!
1245138;1440045133;mircea_popescu;the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.
1245139;1440045160;mircea_popescu;(contrary to his pretense, the man can't actually code / has never actually written anything / etc)
1245140;1440045172;asciilifeform;no reason he couldn't use the conventional gs-9 through 12 or whatnot monkey fleet
1245141;1440045182;mircea_popescu;yes reason.
1245142;1440045188;mircea_popescu;you ever been in a bureaucracy ?
1245143;1440045191;asciilifeform;sure.
1245144;1440045195;mircea_popescu;"fuck you get lost"
1245145;1440045201;mircea_popescu;"but i have deadlines!!!"
1245146;1440045204;mircea_popescu;"fuck your mother too."
1245147;1440045229;asciilifeform;if i had to guess, would guess that they farm it out filipino-style - but internally
1245148;1440045237;asciilifeform;this produces the characteristic schizo flavour
1245149;1440045239;asciilifeform;of the code.
1245150;1440045248;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't be the first time us agent had to provide his own combat boots.
1245151;1440045412;asciilifeform;the question of which monkey in the forest produced a particular stool sample, is perhaps interesting to ~someone~
1245152;1440045500;mircea_popescu;i thought you were on an entomological kick.
1245153;1440045526;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245138 << i dare say that this or similar scenario is unlikely. the 'rent-a-slave' outfits are largely helpless when asked for anything other than wwwtronic proggy
1245154;1440045526;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 04:32:13; mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.
1245155;1440045559;mircea_popescu;your snipped above looks wwwtronic enough.
1245156;1440045560;asciilifeform;even elementary cpp appears to be far beyond the abilities of the subscribers.
1245157;1440045569;asciilifeform;but i could be wrong about this.
1245158;1440045584;mircea_popescu;"CURLE_OK" in particular is an abomination upon nomenclature.
1245159;1440045615;asciilifeform;i can offer no logical explanation for ^
1245160;1440045708;mircea_popescu;anyway, another batch of tests returns. the chain as currently seen longest, 370657 tall does in fact verify throughout in all presentations.
1245161;1440045739;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate ?
1245162;1440045743;mircea_popescu;i've been burning at it for > month by now, but the ~7 different spots that at times seemed dubious carry no significance or import.,
1245163;1440045755;asciilifeform;(what means 'all presentations' ? what bitcoinatron(s) used ?)
1245164;1440045757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well you recall how we had a number of locks and dubious forks etc since june ?
1245165;1440045760;asciilifeform;aha?
1245166;1440045767;mircea_popescu;all of mine + all of yours.
1245167;1440045770;asciilifeform;neato.
1245168;1440045778;asciilifeform;consider a post to the ml, even
1245169;1440045795;mircea_popescu;i am, but i don't wish to say exactly what i tested ;/
1245170;1440045795;asciilifeform;(for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a)
1245171;1440045798;asciilifeform;l0l
1245172;1440045800;mircea_popescu;my life sucks.
1245173;1440045850;*;asciilifeform sometimes finds himself wondering how much mircea_popescu's apparatus actually differs from therealbitcoin
1245174;1440045884;mircea_popescu;numerously but not significantly. atm i actually regard it more like a legacy disused tool, sort of a reference put aside anyway.
1245175;1440045908;asciilifeform;lulzy, this is how herr handle described nsa 'suite a' ciphers
1245176;1440045908;mircea_popescu;that being teh scant joy in otherwise generously daily distress.
1245177;1440045998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0006972 = 4.3575 BTC [-]
1245178;1440046234;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu (or anyone else) run a full sync with -verifyall ?
1245179;1440046240;asciilifeform;(on therealbitcoin, naturally)
1245180;1440046279;mircea_popescu;not full, only from my checkpoints.
1245181;1440046285;asciilifeform;ah.
1245182;1440046291;asciilifeform;because afaik no one has yet done this.
1245183;1440046328;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://dpaste.com/1MPBA2K
1245184;1440046330;assbot;dpaste: 1MPBA2K ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUF9fU )
1245185;1440046341;mircea_popescu;hand-spam. because apparently teppy and whoever else are actually worth this now.
1245186;1440046355;asciilifeform;and l0l, in usd no less
1245187;1440046393;mircea_popescu;premium 25 bux.
1245188;1440046400;mircea_popescu;i take it back, my life doens't suck.
1245189;1440046591;mircea_popescu;in other news,
1245190;1440046592;mircea_popescu;Archimedes P Sapitula 270 Summit Ave Jersey City, NJ 07306. Age 42 (Born Jun 1973) (201) 433-1410. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 572584016.
1245191;1440046599;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150819/genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << seeing 'chicken' all in one file sorta reminds me that the thing is finite and pretty small, and can be grasped. almost.
1245192;1440046600;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUFsHN )
1245193;1440046852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00069375 = 6.268 BTC [-] {2} 
1245194;1440046913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14627 @ 0.000706 = 10.3267 BTC [+]
1245195;1440047147;mod6;<+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall.  And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.
1245196;1440047193;mircea_popescu;word.
1245197;1440047767;tripleslash;Why the need for full sync --verifyall?  What'd I miss?
1245198;1440048022;mircea_popescu;paranoia.
1245199;1440048686;mircea_popescu;!up coldbleed
1245200;1440048697;mircea_popescu;!up Birdman
1245201;1440048725;hanbot;no luck for me v genesis (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html); genesis.sh produces empty vpatch: http://dpaste.com/2KD5AB5
1245202;1440048727;assbot;dpaste: 2KD5AB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1C0Y )
1245203;1440048737;Birdman;Hello, im getting the OTP when i ask for voice, but im not sure what to do past that
1245204;1440048757;mircea_popescu;put it in gpg
1245205;1440048803;Birdman;I try to open it, but it says it cant find a program to open with
1245206;1440048838;mircea_popescu;curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 | gpg
1245207;1440048838;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1MFC )
1245208;1440048893;mircea_popescu;hanbot do you have the whole set of antecedents ?
1245209;1440048987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00069373 = 13.5277 BTC [-]
1245210;1440049006;hanbot;yeah, but in a different dir, heh. moving, rerunning.
1245211;1440049027;mircea_popescu;:)
1245212;1440049080;Birdman;Coldbleed is someone i had been talking to about the WoT and -assets so i directed him here
1245213;1440049134;punkman;mircea_popescu: curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 | gpg  << I wonder if this can blow up in a spectacular way
1245214;1440049134;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1MFC )
1245215;1440049166;mircea_popescu;the possibility seems remote.
1245216;1440049292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00069201 = 20.4489 BTC [-]
1245217;1440049464;mod6;hanbot: the basic issue is that this line in asciilifeform's script: vdiff a b > genesis.vpatch
1245218;1440049473;mod6;doesn't match up with the file that comes from the email:
1245219;1440049482;mod6;vdiff_42f0e9ea2da5aefd21d4dace0bcb6bf5dddaad40.sh
1245220;1440049518;punkman;nor does it match genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch
1245221;1440049530;mod6;so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"
1245222;1440049556;punkman;(oh wait, disregard my statement)
1245223;1440049600;mod6;<+mod6> alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt << take a look here for reference
1245224;1440049601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )
1245225;1440049635;mod6;wondering if you end up with the same ubuntu error I get here: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
1245226;1440049636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )
1245227;1440049702;mod6;... then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << bah.  should read: "./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"
1245228;1440049995;punkman;"I wonder what happens when there's a giant flaming mushroom cloud in your neighborhood and no one publishes a word" https://medium.com/@cmphku/chinese-media-and-the-tianjin-disaster-3bd98a6fac44
1245229;1440049997;assbot;Chinese Media and the Tianjin Disaster — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3tmc )
1245230;1440050404;punkman;"No, we were not hacked. 'Deez Nuts' is the legal name of the candidate and he is polling at 9 percent in NC: http://abc11.com/947054/ "
1245231;1440050406;assbot;Page Not Found | abc11.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjJ6zD )
1245232;1440050406;punkman;lol
1245233;1440050512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00069429 = 22.2867 BTC [+] {6} 
1245234;1440050574;punkman;http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/
1245235;1440050576;assbot;Cities 101: The Mythic Undercover Yellow Taxi Cab NYPD Cop Car | Untapped Cities ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4jzp )
1245236;1440050678;punkman;http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/telecom/662184/
1245237;1440050680;assbot;Bomb scares end SIM registration holiday | Bangkok Post: business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4r1O )
1245238;1440050707;punkman;you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?
1245239;1440050939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.000706 = 9.6369 BTC [+] {2} 
1245240;1440051427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00067999 = 43.3154 BTC [-] {3} 
1245241;1440051660;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/adultery/comments/3ebn29/i_single_gay_man_from_saudi_arabia_could_be/
1245242;1440051661;assbot;I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )
1245243;1440051976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00067991 = 15.2511 BTC [-]
1245244;1440052714;hanbot;<mod6> so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!
1245245;1440052830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00067991 = 33.0436 BTC [-]
1245246;1440055112;thestringpuller;http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/ << whoa this is a great story
1245247;1440055270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39325 @ 0.00070381 = 27.6773 BTC [+] {4} 
1245248;1440055288;hanbot;hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK
1245249;1440055290;assbot;dpaste: 1675NTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1MF0VAc )
1245250;1440055577;mircea_popescu;bwhahaha.
1245251;1440055631;mircea_popescu;hanbot when do you figure that can be published ?
1245252;1440055699;hanbot;"two weeks"(tm)?
1245253;1440055709;thestringpuller;https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001416a613602d73bbe5c79170fd8f39d509896b829cf9021e << 2nd block from slush's pool with bip-102 vote
1245254;1440055773;mircea_popescu;actually, let's just do a summary an' leave it at that. ex-wife of ex-respectable bitcointards community member pm's MPOE-PR on forum about how she's been exactly right about X, he stole buncha cash from her, "you got it spot on except for X minor detail" sorta thing.
1245255;1440056209;mircea_popescu;in other news, "Dear customer, We are sorry,  Your PayPal account has been limited until we here from you"
1245256;1440056313;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598 << LOL. If you had a Bitcoin for every time someone eventually told you "You were right"...wait...
1245257;1440056329;mircea_popescu;can always use more bitcoinz.
1245258;1440057771;mircea_popescu;in other news, the new log color thing totally hoses my browser.
1245259;1440057961;mircea_popescu;so now i can't fucking use the log anymore. can i has revert ?
1245260;1440057977;punkman;lol how
1245261;1440058051;punkman;already using racist browser?
1245262;1440058236;mircea_popescu;i has nfi but it hoses even if i purge js
1245263;1440058246;mircea_popescu;i imagine it must badly implement dom-something or the other.
1245264;1440058257;punkman;I don't run js on log and it works fine
1245265;1440058307;mircea_popescu;good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/
1245266;1440058360;punkman;I just can't see the extra "style="background:#f9f9ec " hosing anything, but who knows
1245267;1440058484;punkman;hmm if you turn color off there are some stray quotes: <p class="chatrows lightgray"   ">
1245268;1440058497;mircea_popescu;i don't have the color on.
1245269;1440058686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00070774 = 28.5573 BTC [+] {3} 
1245270;1440059011;punkman;"The most horrifying moment of my employment at Amazon was the time I was  using the toilet and a coworker began talking from the stall next to  me. He asked me why I had not responded to his very pressing email. I  closed my eyes and pretended this wasn’t happening. What email could be so important that it could not wait five minutes for me to use the bathroom?"
1245271;1440059018;punkman;"He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t  respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not  disgusting means of communication."
1245272;1440059052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31432 @ 0.00070901 = 22.2856 BTC [+] {2} 
1245273;1440059241;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/v-genesis.txt
1245274;1440059243;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGCVcP )
1245275;1440059250;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1245276;1440059258;mircea_popescu;coolness.
1245277;1440059260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^
1245278;1440059521;punkman;"You'll have to do s/\n|GPG|/\n/ to recover the vpatch." << why not gpg -d?
1245279;1440059800;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1245280;1440060333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43066 @ 0.00070998 = 30.576 BTC [+] {2} 
1245281;1440060457;mircea_popescu;incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.
1245282;1440060480;mircea_popescu;would it be so hard to have Hash: SHA512 Chars:593 ?
1245283;1440060496;mircea_popescu;then it knows it needs to stop after 593 characters rather than look for dashes like a drunk mole.
1245284;1440061337;punkman;the dash escaping GPG does works fine for me. the problem is clearsigning fucks with trailing spaces and whatnot
1245285;1440061370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00069321 = 2.9115 BTC [-]
1245286;1440061416;punkman;here's a diff comparing my genesis.vpatch, which I clearsigned then run through "gpg -d", to decoded_genesis.vpatch  http://dpaste.com/1BC72A9
1245287;1440061418;assbot;dpaste: 1BC72A9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxeECW )
1245288;1440061775;punkman;and this is a diff comparing asciilifeform's genesis.vpatch to mine: http://dpaste.com/370ZT8P
1245289;1440061777;assbot;dpaste: 370ZT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxfcsH )
1245290;1440061951;punkman;to put it more clearly: If you care about line-endings and whitespace, you can't really clearsign things.
1245291;1440062285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45321 @ 0.0007128 = 32.3048 BTC [+] {2} 
1245292;1440062956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5112 @ 0.00071329 = 3.6463 BTC [+]
1245293;1440063613;punkman;(exercise for students: clearsign a piece of text. append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text. check if it's still valid. repeat process with detached signature, see what happens)
1245294;1440063932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00069307 = 12.2327 BTC [-] {3} 
1245295;1440064481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00071329 = 10.5567 BTC [+]
1245296;1440064786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00069284 = 2.664 BTC [-]
1245297;1440066549;kakobrekla;o hey, we have a second derp block
1245298;1440066860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146655 @ 0.00068249 = 100.0906 BTC [-]
1245299;1440067052;jurov;<stick`> slushpool runs both Core and XT
1245300;1440067073;jurov;<stick`> miners themselves choose port to connect
1245301;1440067133;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244822 <<< they already took all the minerals, what more do they want ?!
1245302;1440067133;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.
1245303;1440067295;cazalla;tbh, chinese are not quite finished down under.. they want to destroy primo agricultural land with the .au gov blessing because hey, natives can always order in chinese food instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenhua_Watermark_coal_mine
1245304;1440067295;assbot;Shenhua Watermark coal mine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmtsKs )
1245305;1440067409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85800 @ 0.00069496 = 59.6276 BTC [+] {3} 
1245306;1440068446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00067991 = 7.445 BTC [-] {2} 
1245307;1440068751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32777 @ 0.00067986 = 22.2838 BTC [-] {3} 
1245308;1440069026;jurov;;;later tell davout rly, need help with teh bot?
1245309;1440069027;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1245310;1440069268;jurov;!mpif
1245311;1440069270;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021525 B (Total: 427.66 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1245312;1440069347;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1245313;1440069347;assbot;Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
1245314;1440069381;jurov;!t m s.nsa
1245315;1440069381;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
1245316;1440069413;jurov;!t m s.mpoe`
1245317;1440069413;assbot;These beans is shit.
1245318;1440069417;jurov;!t m s.mpoe
1245319;1440069417;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067583 / 0.0006979 / 0.0007397 (2677308 shares, 1,868.51 BTC), 7D: 0.000591 / 0.00070008 / 0.0007991 (14116527 shares, 9,882.81 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057924 / 0.0007991 (83031265 shares, 48,095.84 BTC)
1245320;1440070884;cazalla;http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/20/young-australians-increasingly-jobless-unmarried-and-living-at-home reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgxS_vzQjU and with that, night night
1245321;1440070885;assbot;Young Australians increasingly jobless, unmarried and living at home | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxreSD )
1245322;1440070886;assbot;your dad 2     ten things millenials can do with college degrees - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxrfGl )
1245323;1440071069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00068019 = 24.5208 BTC [+]
1245324;1440071350;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245290 << and that's why btc-dev uses clearsigned text only for descriptions
1245325;1440071350;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 09:12:31; punkman: to put it more clearly: If you care about line-endings and whitespace, you can't really clearsign things.
1245326;1440071646;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245281 << there's PGP/MIME (RFC2015, RFC3156) that allows to add such headers easily
1245327;1440071646;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 08:47:37; mircea_popescu: incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.
1245328;1440071686;jurov;but it's hopelessly complicated and no afaik one even tried do send PGP/MIME message to mailing list
1245329;1440071747;jurov;except me to test it, then I threw my hands in disgust when i could not easily troubleshoot why it fails to verify
1245330;1440071801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13225 @ 0.00068019 = 8.9955 BTC [+]
1245331;1440072332;jurov;interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent
1245332;1440072668;chetty;its a big world jurov, many time zones
1245333;1440072899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64350 @ 0.00068019 = 43.7702 BTC [+]
1245334;1440073692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11275 @ 0.00068019 = 7.6691 BTC [+]
1245335;1440073997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0007104 = 15.7354 BTC [+] {3} 
1245336;1440075358;jurov;"interstall communication" hahahaha
1245337;1440075461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00068451 = 33.8832 BTC [-] {5} 
1245338;1440075583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7536 @ 0.00071219 = 5.3671 BTC [+] {2} 
1245339;1440075644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26364 @ 0.00071337 = 18.8073 BTC [+] {3} 
1245340;1440076250;punkman;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33994483
1245341;1440076251;assbot;Nazi gold train 'found in Poland' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzEA5p )
1245342;1440076340;asciilifeform;jurov: fwiw, i'm awake
1245343;1440076412;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245265 << mine sputters, and barely runs, but loads. at first glance, whatever kakobrekla did to the log has doubled memory footprint
1245344;1440076412;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 08:11:47; mircea_popescu: good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/
1245345;1440076429;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: can has old log? plz ?
1245346;1440076607;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'
1245347;1440076607;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 06:21:01; assbot: I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )
1245348;1440076679;kakobrekla;hrm
1245349;1440076681;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245244 << well yes, i wrote that 'it must be in your path' - which presumes that you chmod-ed it to +x, or why would you have put it in your path!
1245350;1440076681;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 06:38:34; hanbot: <mod6> so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!
1245351;1440076712;*;kakobrekla noticed logs loading slow since a week or so ago, but i havent changed a thing to cause that
1245352;1440076722;kakobrekla;so wtf
1245353;1440076727;punkman;kakobrekla: broken html
1245354;1440076728;asciilifeform;not only ~loading~ slowly
1245355;1440076751;asciilifeform;even clicking a link, in a number of browsers, is ultra-grindy
1245356;1440076758;punkman;doesn't seem slower in my firefox though
1245357;1440076762;kakobrekla;ok
1245358;1440076770;kakobrekla;will take a look
1245359;1440076782;punkman;stray quotes where you add the color style
1245360;1440076814;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.
1245361;1440076851;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc, yes, 'megablox in 2016 or bust'
1245362;1440076973;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245195 << neato! this is worth writing up as ml post, imho
1245363;1440076973;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 05:05:47; mod6: <+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall.  And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.
1245364;1440077138;kakobrekla;punkman> stray quotes where you add the color style < fixed but still slow neh ?
1245365;1440077269;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245238 << this is considerably more difficult than in most of the world. afaik you're stuck with industrial suppliers (who cater to electric meter firms, and similar)
1245366;1440077269;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 06:05:07; punkman: you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?
1245367;1440077348;asciilifeform;... or cannibalism. (where? e.g., 'amazon kindle' device includes a 3g modem, with 'eternal' subscription, which can theoretically be removed and uncrippled)
1245368;1440077485;punkman;no such things here, you have to present ID. but not like it's hard to send a hobo to buy a few SIMs.
1245369;1440077511;asciilifeform;wire your t3rr0r1st4 thermonuke to a RTL-SDR listening on a silent and unused frequency, which you then transmit the codez on. 'n0body could have predicted!1111!!!!111'
1245370;1440077515;punkman;or even buy from a different country and roam.
1245371;1440077607;asciilifeform;punkman: possibly easier in eu (american sims tend to work nowhere else)
1245372;1440077676;asciilifeform;phun phakt: RTL-SDR can be used to receive pager ('POCSAG') messages. naturally, any and all of them. if you only need to send one message, no need to actually buy a subscription...
1245373;1440077692;asciilifeform;send the magic word to some poor schmuck
1245374;1440077702;asciilifeform;while your nuke receives.
1245375;1440077724;asciilifeform;(pocsag is 100% plaintext)
1245376;1440077755;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'
1245377;1440077755;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 08:23:38; punkman: "He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t  respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not  disgusting means of communication."
1245378;1440077840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00071456 = 19.7933 BTC [+] {3} 
1245379;1440077846;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245284 << yes. see the recent 'out of band' thread
1245380;1440077846;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 09:02:17; punkman: the dash escaping GPG does works fine for me. the problem is clearsigning fucks with trailing spaces and whatnot
1245381;1440077880;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245300 << which was the default?
1245382;1440077880;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 10:37:53; jurov: <stick`> miners themselves choose port to connect
1245383;1440077892;asciilifeform;(i.e. was xt on 8333 ?)
1245384;1440078007;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245324 << ditto 'v.' i'm not ever writing anything that uses anything other than detached sigs in gpg.
1245385;1440078007;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 11:49:10; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245290 << and that's why btc-dev uses clearsigned text only for descriptions
1245386;1440078016;asciilifeform;FUCK mutilations.
1245387;1440078083;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245340 << to quote stalin, 'they won't see this gold like they won't see their ears without a mirror.' even if (especially if) it is actually turned up.
1245388;1440078083;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 13:10:50; punkman: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33994483
1245389;1440078120;asciilifeform;it'll go straight to new york (or at least zurich.)
1245390;1440078162;asciilifeform;or what, the schmucks thought that the reich is dead and the thing has no owner ?
1245391;1440078170;asciilifeform;everything has an owner.
1245392;1440078783;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov can we have an end to the filename mutilations on turdatron, please ??!@!
1245393;1440078783;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1245394;1440079064;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000150.html << FOR FUCKS SAKE which one of you is 'pub@extemporized' ?
1245395;1440079065;assbot;[BTC-dev] signed genesis.vpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7B7Xg )
1245396;1440079070;asciilifeform;what's wrong with NAMES ?
1245397;1440079111;asciilifeform;yes, three minutes later i can figure out that it was punkman
1245398;1440079115;asciilifeform;but can archaeologists ?
1245399;1440079126;asciilifeform;can we agree to use something like human names in pgp keys perhaps ?
1245400;1440079139;asciilifeform;like i do, or mircea, or pretty much everyone ?
1245401;1440079214;*;asciilifeform pissed that he spent ten minutes sawing apart what he thought was a diddled signature purporting to be from mod6
1245402;1440079242;punkman;the key says punkman, I don't see the problem
1245403;1440079261;asciilifeform;mno
1245404;1440079264;asciilifeform;it doesn't.
1245405;1440079271;asciilifeform;not as retrieved by gpg.
1245406;1440079291;asciilifeform;or hm
1245407;1440079294;*;asciilifeform checks again
1245408;1440079309;asciilifeform;punkman: your key does. but the SIGNATURE does not.
1245409;1440079326;asciilifeform;it only gives me a key fingerprint
1245410;1440079339;asciilifeform;which did not match mod6's (who i mistakenly thought was 'extemporized')
1245411;1440079358;punkman;was the sig good at least? :P
1245412;1440079463;asciilifeform;gpg: Signature made Thu Aug 20 05:23:31 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 8B232B13
1245413;1440079463;asciilifeform;gpg: Good signature from "punkman"
1245414;1440079463;asciilifeform;gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
1245415;1440079463;asciilifeform;gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
1245416;1440079463;asciilifeform;Primary key fingerprint: F28E 0095 843B 91CB 22E7  D655 3358 8BE0 8B23 2B13
1245417;1440079714;punkman;!up copypaste
1245418;1440079725;copypaste;sup
1245419;1440079812;thestringpuller;funny story.
1245420;1440079855;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu entomological sample, http://www.benzinga.com/news/15/08/5779058/bitcoin-flash-crashed-this-week << approximately a complete collection of ~everything but the actual truth~
1245421;1440079856;assbot;Bitcoin Flash Crashed This Week | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7DAAQ )
1245422;1440079856;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1245423;1440079885;copypaste;LOL
1245424;1440079886;copypaste;This news is delayed. Get access to this information before it is priced into the market with a real-time news feed for only $1.
1245425;1440079920;thestringpuller;At my first job, the devops team took an initiative to not copy paste, because people were copying root passwords into ssh logins. So they have this huge meeting about not copying pasting. And this one guy goes, "But there will always be copypaste"
1245426;1440079924;asciilifeform;whole thing is a lul, worthy of nigerian sp4mz0rz, but apparently represents the official usg party line.
1245427;1440079970;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this is reminiscient of the ICBIT MP exposed in 2012
1245428;1440079973;thestringpuller;with smickles
1245429;1440080039;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: aha, mircea_popescu linked to that very same, earlier
1245430;1440080219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22218 @ 0.00069359 = 15.4102 BTC [-]
1245431;1440080259;thestringpuller;"The Blockchain is may play a key role in the Music Industry. Revelator builds software that allows artists and record labels to manage, track and market their music all from one application. The company sees the blockchain as an opportunity to simplify music rights, which remain complicated and difficult to verify, with a new Intellectual Property (IP) management system that will allow artists to register their works on an imm
1245432;1440080275;thestringpuller;^^^ yes the block chain will solve music piracy!
1245433;1440080285;thestringpuller;linked from asciilifeform 's article
1245434;1440080305;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there is a bottomless pit of those things
1245435;1440080329;asciilifeform;but my dosimeter is maxed out for the day, i won't be eating up any moar
1245436;1440080554;thestringpuller;do·sim·e·ter - noun - a device used to measure an absorbed dose of ionizing radiation.
1245437;1440080560;thestringpuller;good choice of words asciilifeform
1245438;1440080683;asciilifeform;http://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-linux-is-coming-to-the-mainframe << complete with systemd!
1245439;1440080684;assbot;​Ubuntu Linux is coming to IBM mainframes | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7GiXg )
1245440;1440080702;asciilifeform;turns out mircea_popescu was right. let's all fly on the first systemd-avionics plane!
1245441;1440080727;asciilifeform;also zdnet is a terrific pile of shit, which breaks not only back button on graphical browser, but the url bar
1245442;1440080738;asciilifeform;and makes it damn near impossible to link to an individual piece
1245443;1440080741;asciilifeform;is this by design?
1245444;1440080745;asciilifeform;or by retardation
1245445;1440080784;mike_c;"He also agreed to pay federal authorities another $50,000 so that they wouldn't seize vehicles he used as part of his illegal activities."
1245446;1440080813;mike_c;so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?
1245447;1440080828;mike_c;do they ever *not* have their fucking hand out?
1245448;1440080857;asciilifeform;not like they can't take every cent, and every nut and bolt of the car, if they feel like it
1245449;1440080876;mike_c;It's just annoying, depending on how cynical you are.
1245450;1440080906;mike_c;Ok, guy sleeps with child prostitutes, gets busted, goes to jail.  Good.  "Oh, by the way, give us $50k or we'll take your cars".
1245451;1440080961;asciilifeform;fella must've slept through slave school. where they teach ya that usg owns your sorry skin and its entire contents, and can do whatever the fuck it wants to you whenever the fuck it feels like; and that there isn't a thing you can do about it, except to help terrorists, whom you will never meet except in their fbi 'o'brien' incarnation
1245452;1440081003;asciilifeform;mike_c: one thing unclear to me: why does one need a car in jail ?
1245453;1440081014;mike_c;he's only in for ~5 years
1245454;1440081021;mike_c;i guess he'd rather keep them
1245455;1440081051;mod6;hanbot: << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error! << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory.
1245456;1440081194;thestringpuller;Andreas: All the fork drama is really overblown. Diversity is good and bitcoin is resilient. Consensus will converge on the correct answer. << Consensus is you are a zombie who refuses to die.
1245457;1440081222;asciilifeform;recall yesterday's 'mit consensus scholarship!!!111'
1245458;1440081227;thestringpuller;oh and this one!
1245459;1440081231;asciilifeform;it's the new zombie control word
1245460;1440081247;thestringpuller;"I think we should put users first. What do users want? They want low transaction fees and fast confirmations. Lets design for that case, because THE USERS are who ultimately give Bitcoin value." - Gavin << WHo is going to pay for these "low transactions"
1245461;1440081260;asciilifeform;why not also say 'they want ferraris' ?
1245462;1440081266;asciilifeform;because i'm pretty sure that they do.
1245463;1440081274;asciilifeform;more, even, than 'cheap transactions'
1245464;1440081297;asciilifeform;so YOU, yes YOU, pony up
1245465;1440081304;asciilifeform;kulak.
1245466;1440081364;asciilifeform;and the next time you sit in the sun, eating ice cream, remember that it is the flies that give ice cream its value.
1245467;1440081369;asciilifeform;i know 'cause i just asked a fly.
1245468;1440081383;asciilifeform;they have consensus!
1245469;1440081385;asciilifeform;and numbers.
1245470;1440081398;asciilifeform;d3m0cr4cy!!!1
1245471;1440081427;mod6;haha
1245472;1440081441;mod6;asciilifeform: did you get it sorted out with whatever sig thing you were trying to saw through?
1245473;1440081446;asciilifeform;mod6: aha
1245474;1440081448;asciilifeform;see log.
1245475;1440081448;mod6;ok
1245476;1440081511;*;asciilifeform bbl
1245477;1440081805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0006959 = 8.3856 BTC [+]
1245478;1440082171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00069835 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2} 
1245479;1440084899;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245466 <-- lol.  Which customer is more important, the one who gave you a penny a year ago or a regular who provides 10% of revenue?
1245480;1440084899;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 14:36:04; asciilifeform: and the next time you sit in the sun, eating ice cream, remember that it is the flies that give ice cream its value.
1245481;1440084939;funkenstein_;kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135
1245482;1440084941;assbot;Coin-Vote ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8AUaC )
1245483;1440085113;punkman;funkenstein_: website's yours?
1245484;1440085165;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: interesting never saw this before
1245485;1440085770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52027 @ 0.000701 = 36.4709 BTC [+]
1245486;1440085953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17602 @ 0.00068865 = 12.1216 BTC [-] {4} 
1245487;1440086197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.000701 = 20.6795 BTC [+]
1245488;1440086258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00067827 = 43.6128 BTC [-] {2} 
1245489;1440086420;funkenstein_;punkman, yes.  stringpuller: earlier version posted while ago (in logs), copypaste was able to "double vote".  Work in progress.
1245490;1440086713;mike_c;It has an amazing lack of documentation/explanation :)
1245491;1440086713;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1245492;1440086717;mike_c;indeed
1245493;1440086752;mike_c;did I miss the FAQ link?
1245494;1440086971;funkenstein_;yeah it needs instructions / documentation
1245495;1440086978;funkenstein_;thank you
1245496;1440088171;mod6;<+mod6> hanbot: ... << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory. << actually, I did also try this on a different 10.04 VM and i did get the same error. bizzare.
1245497;1440088606;mod6;!up ascii_field
1245498;1440088956;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245496 << get rid of the ubuntus.
1245499;1440088956;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 16:29:31; mod6: <+mod6> hanbot: ... << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory. << actually, I did also try this on a different 10.04 VM and i did get the same error. bizzare.
1245500;1440089034;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245481 << for extra lulz, see if you can trick folks into ending up signing a transaction
1245501;1440089034;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135
1245502;1440089049;ascii_field;phriendz don't let phriendz sign random strange
1245503;1440089063;ascii_field;esp. not with btc privkeys
1245504;1440089264;danielpbarron;i put gentoo on an HP XW9400 Workstation, and also got Eulora running on it, although I can't test out walking around in the world yet
1245505;1440089313;danielpbarron;not sure if installing xfce was necessary to get Eulora running; might have only needed some media libraries
1245506;1440089349;chetty;sounds cool hope you have chance to try it soon danielpbarron
1245507;1440089391;danielpbarron;the cs walktest worked so I think it'll be no problem
1245508;1440089410;ascii_field;lulz: http://dadaviz.com/i/4789
1245509;1440089411;assbot;Sovereign Citizens Are A Larger Threat To The US Than Jihadists ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVqvSJ )
1245510;1440089456;ascii_field;(could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')
1245511;1440089514;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> **omitted** http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/v-genesis.txt << so much like MP says here; my diff http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt seems to just have the following out of order: b/bitcoin/COPYING, b/bitcoin/src/json/LICENSE.txt,...
1245512;1440089516;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGCVcP )
1245513;1440089518;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7cgF )
1245514;1440089664;mod6;b/bitcoin/src/json/json_spirit.h, b/bitcoin/src/test/base58_tests.cpp, b/bitcoin/src/test/base64_tests.cpp, b/bitcoin/src/test/README out of order. but the hashes seem to match.
1245515;1440089682;mod6;anyway, will keep looking at it for a while here.
1245516;1440089776;ascii_field;mod6: just grep the diff for '+++' and compare the hashes with sha512sum of directory (your local manifest)
1245517;1440089786;ascii_field;no need to do this with bare hands.
1245518;1440089809;ascii_field;and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!
1245519;1440089823;ascii_field;srsly, different sort order on different versions of 'diff' ?
1245520;1440089839;trinque;the people wanted change, ascii_field
1245521;1440089857;ascii_field;beoble
1245522;1440089896;ascii_field;'Once there was The People--it shall never be again!' (tm) (r) (kipling)
1245523;1440089908;mod6;i guess it's possible.  for that one I used this version:
1245524;1440089908;mod6;mod6@localhost ~/genesis $ diff --version
1245525;1440089909;mod6;diff (GNU diffutils) 3.3
1245526;1440089909;mod6;Packaged by Gentoo (3.3)
1245527;1440089938;ascii_field;mod6: seems like i have same ?
1245528;1440089952;ascii_field;or claimed, at any rate
1245529;1440089965;mod6;hmm. its possible that I have done something incorrect on my side.
1245530;1440089977;mod6;that's why im a bit hesitant yet.
1245531;1440089979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00068277 = 14.2358 BTC [+]
1245532;1440089987;ascii_field;another possibility is some odd misbehaviour re: timestamps
1245533;1440090052;mats;;;ticker
1245534;1440090053;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 232.63, Best ask: 233.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 233.05, 24 hour volume: 36670.90620652, 24 hour low: 221.11, 24 hour high: 237.94, 24 hour vwap: None
1245535;1440090189;mod6;ascii_field: yea, i'll dig into it more tonight and tomorrow, etc. until i get it solved. thx!
1245536;1440090225;mats;;;ticker --market all
1245537;1440090233;ascii_field;mod6: didja ever post your complete diff ?
1245538;1440090234;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.72, vol: 20401.85308198 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.51, vol: 10339.03617 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 232.54, vol: 36670.90620652 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 14.54786465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 232.88452, vol: 28330.07090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.05954, vol: 552.72746559 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 238.7111646, vol: 192.91907085 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1245539;1440090283;mod6;no, i can though.
1245540;1440090364;ascii_field;would be helpful in solving the puzzle.
1245541;1440090406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00068864 = 41.525 BTC [+] {2} 
1245542;1440090481;mats;!up ascii_field
1245543;1440090688;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/mod6.genesis.vpatch-20150819
1245544;1440090691;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7xzYw )
1245545;1440090754;punkman;ascii_field: do you have an outline/spec for v? I could give you a hand with that
1245546;1440090849;mod6;i'll compare my raw patch above with MP's posted one above side-by-side here when i get a chance.
1245547;1440090888;ascii_field;punkman: it's in a half-done state. doesn't really need docs, very much self-explaining
1245548;1440090929;punkman;ascii_field: no I mean doing that other half
1245549;1440091368;ascii_field;patience good man
1245550;1440091541;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244997 << my new computer came with an nVidia card which concerned me at first because OpenBSD doesn't get along with that (and confirmed myself, graphics were slow and choppy) but it turns out to work well for getting Eulora to work with gentoo
1245551;1440091541;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 03:25:34; *: BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...
1245552;1440091565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00069503 = 13.8311 BTC [+]
1245553;1440091932;ascii_field;mod6: i viewed the diffs in 'meld', came to same conclusion as you: 1) timestamps 2) ordering of files
1245554;1440092384;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1245555;1440092419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11742 @ 0.00069503 = 8.161 BTC [+]
1245556;1440092439;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: When NVida "works" on opensource it is largely due to binary black boxes like 'cg'
1245557;1440092447;ascii_field;http://www.sytaylor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dilbert-chain.jpg
1245558;1440092455;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )
1245559;1440092907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00069531 = 7.9961 BTC [+] {2} 
1245560;1440093248;thestringpuller;370661
1245561;1440093324;mod6;ascii_field: thanks for taking a look!
1245562;1440093700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00067546 = 27.3561 BTC [-] {4} 
1245563;1440094169;mike_c;kakobrekla:  these assbot bitly links don't seem to work anymore
1245564;1440094188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.0006751 = 7.6624 BTC [-]
1245565;1440094659;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1245566;1440094662;gribble;Current Blocks: 370743 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 200 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 52 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1245567;1440094725;mike_c;""phf [R.07] created two patches [R.08] for `stator' to build and run on OpenBSD.  This is very exciting, we've been  looking forward to supporting this platform for some time now."  << is the the royal "we"? :)
1245568;1440094735;mike_c;we = mod6 + mod6
1245569;1440094810;trinque;mike_c: there are two gentlemen running the foundation
1245570;1440094829;mike_c;indeed there are, but methinks only one was actually excited about supporting openbsd
1245571;1440094839;trinque;haha, perhaps
1245572;1440094946;mike_c;i can not *wait* until this thing is production ready.
1245573;1440094971;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1245574;1440094992;ascii_field;mike_c: out of curiosity, what do you consider 'production-ready' ?
1245575;1440095008;mike_c;i consider it simply, the foundation says so.
1245576;1440095032;mike_c;not blindly, but that seems a prerequisite
1245577;1440095037;kakobrekla;mike_c ?
1245578;1440095053;mike_c;kakobrekla: none of the bitly links from assbot work for me.  they working for you?
1245579;1440095063;kakobrekla;[19:40:45] <ascii_field> http://www.sytaylor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dilbert-chain.jpg
1245580;1440095065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )
1245581;1440095065;kakobrekla;[19:40:53] <assbot> ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )
1245582;1440095066;assbot;http://www.sytaylor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dilbert-chain.jpg: dilbert-chain.jpg (597x181 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFrnl7 )
1245583;1440095067;kakobrekla;this one does ?
1245584;1440095107;mike_c;that's interesting.. I tried that one specifically before and got nothing, but now it is showing up.
1245585;1440095134;kakobrekla;nfi but everything is falling apart apparently so i wouldnt be surprised
1245586;1440095148;mike_c;hm, well, nevermind then.  perhaps it was temporary.
1245587;1440095198;kakobrekla;everything is temporary.
1245588;1440095216;mike_c;unless you stick it in the blockchain
1245589;1440095223;kakobrekla;even then
1245590;1440095230;chetty;<kakobrekla> everything is temporary.// death and taxes?
1245591;1440095266;kakobrekla;if you wait long enough.
1245592;1440095281;trinque;"Please switch to side B of the Universe now."
1245593;1440095293;mod6;<+mike_c> we = mod6 + mod6 << lol!  in all seriousness, i think that ben supports us working on obsd as well; however, yes, his enthusiasm might be more tempered then my own.  He does review all of these SoBA's before they get signed & sent out to ML
1245594;1440095333;mod6;imho, it's good to support at least 1 other platform outside of linux.
1245595;1440095342;ascii_field;minix!
1245596;1440095353;mike_c;No disagreement.  I just smiled at the excitement :)
1245597;1440095354;ascii_field;(and ~never, ever~ minix-3)
1245598;1440095356;chetty;dos
1245599;1440095365;ascii_field;chetty: see also:
1245600;1440095369;ascii_field;!s msdos
1245601;1440095370;assbot;74 results for 'msdos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=msdos
1245602;1440095378;*;ascii_field discusses this at least a few times
1245603;1440095388;chetty;:)
1245604;1440095408;kakobrekla;msdos really best of doses ?
1245605;1440095424;ascii_field;summary: msdos to which you add a scheduler (threads) and addressability of blockchain-sized hard disk, is not really msdos in any proper sense
1245606;1440095441;kakobrekla;didnt kildall make that shit?
1245607;1440095453;kakobrekla;or is it killdal
1245608;1440095455;chetty;well I actually kinda liked the 'robin' variant
1245609;1440095528;kakobrekla;'dr-dos' ?
1245610;1440095549;ascii_field;kakobrekla: iirc the modern drdos is 'freedos'
1245611;1440095564;ascii_field;because it is ~so~ useful to have something like msdos but less compatible.
1245612;1440095585;ascii_field;(msdos 6.2 source leaked some years ago, and, unlike most leaked source, actually builds.)
1245613;1440095596;*;kakobrekla didnt know that
1245614;1440095645;ascii_field;at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind
1245615;1440095659;ascii_field;so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything
1245616;1440096347;trinque;BREAKING NEWS: Second release of Ashley Madison data includes source code for website, CEO emails << headline banner on reuters homepage
1245617;1440096350;trinque;wahahaha
1245618;1440096355;trinque;just keeps getting worse for them
1245619;1440096537;ascii_field;'the cuckening'
1245620;1440096576;trinque;!b 4
1245621;1440096577;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/324S41S.txt )
1245622;1440096704;mats;lol.
1245623;1440096722;ascii_field;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-hunt-for-narco-subs << unrelated but lulzy
1245624;1440096724;assbot;The Hunt for Narco Subs | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFuhpZ )
1245625;1440096880;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1245626;1440096892;ascii_field;re: 2nd am leak: theoretically enough to set up the site for yourself
1245627;1440096895;ascii_field;if you wished.
1245628;1440097437;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245343 << come to think of it, yes my browsers have also been much slower at loading the log ever since the color change
1245629;1440097437;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 13:13:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245265 << mine sputters, and barely runs, but loads. at first glance, whatever kakobrekla did to the log has doubled memory footprint
1245630;1440097568;trinque;he did javascript to it
1245631;1440097571;trinque;whaddayawant
1245632;1440097593;kakobrekla;no js added.
1245633;1440097692;chetty; log ever since the color change// color? what color?
1245634;1440097730;jurov;!s kindergarten
1245635;1440097731;assbot;64 results for 'kindergarten' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kindergarten
1245636;1440097732;ascii_field;'When the head of US Southern Command testified before Congress in March 2014, he said that due to asset shortfalls Southcom couldn’t pursue 74 percent of suspected maritime drug-smuggling vessels.  “I simply sit and watch it go by,” the general said.' << disinfo !
1245637;1440097768;jurov;chetty, it's there ^
1245638;1440097843;ascii_field;'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar
1245639;1440097848;chetty;odd, I dont get any color but I the spacing is actually better on that version
1245640;1440097852;trinque;ascii_field: wahahaha
1245641;1440097908;trinque;must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care
1245642;1440097921;*;trinque recalls the CIA plane *filled* with coke
1245643;1440097932;trinque;certainly not an isolated case, of course.
1245644;1440097970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00069854 = 15.9966 BTC [+] {3} 
1245645;1440097990;trinque;http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070924-0
1245646;1440097991;assbot;ASN Aircraft accident Grumman American G-1159 Gulfstream II N987SA Tixkokob ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFwPo8 )
1245647;1440098013;ascii_field;https://archive.is/39K6d << the earlier loltron, for future reference.
1245648;1440098176;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, I'm having a hell of a time finding the sources that linked the above plane to flights to guantanamo now, and recall in the past *not* relying on such filth as "infowars"
1245649;1440098304;trinque;but I do remember when this was reported at the time, in 07
1245650;1440098540;trinque;http://www.statesman.com/ap/ap/california/coast-guard-cutter-arrives-in-us-with-14-tons-of-c/nkwt6/ << holy shit, here's another one the statesman took down
1245651;1440098542;assbot;Page not found | www.statesman.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X5ww )
1245652;1440098576;trinque;I guess that one's a seizure.
1245653;1440098599;trinque;point being, the internet... it rots.
1245654;1440098835;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
1245655;1440098835;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006751 / 0.00069203 / 0.0007374 (2533894 shares, 1,753.53 BTC), 7D: 0.000591 / 0.00070498 / 0.0007991 (14010531 shares, 9,877.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058029 / 0.0007991 (83372433 shares, 48,380.72 BTC)
1245656;1440098835;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1245657;1440099309;scoopbot_revived;Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork/
1245658;1440099312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00069871 = 5.4499 BTC [+]
1245659;1440099437;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: is working on the blacklist article
1245660;1440099449;BingoBoingo;*no colon there
1245661;1440100315;felipelalli;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1225351 << trinque I'm sorry, but I didn't understand. I tried to find in the history but I couldn't. What exactly is a great way to rate people outside the WoT? Thank you!
1245662;1440100315;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 06:35:37; trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli you've spoken about the idea of rating people not in the WoT; there's a great way ^
1245663;1440100400;trinque;felipelalli: 'twas above that one, BingoBoingo made a deed in which he promised to rate certain individuals -10 should they ever appear in the WoT
1245664;1440100420;ascii_field;felipelalli: 'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' (tm) (r) (babbage)
1245665;1440100449;trinque;ascii_field: not at all; making a deed serves a similar purpose if the individuals are easily identified by the contents of the deed
1245666;1440100480;ascii_field;meat folks have a habit of changing skins
1245667;1440100490;ascii_field;esp. sc4mz0rz
1245668;1440100495;thestringpuller;ascii_field: has been watching face-off too much
1245669;1440100499;ascii_field;it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake
1245670;1440100500;trinque;sure, but if it's bureaucrat X who did Y and Z publically, works fine
1245671;1440100652;ascii_field;bureaucrat - sure.
1245672;1440100667;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1245673;1440100669;felipelalli;trinque, ah, lol, amazing. thank you! The deedbot link didn't work when I tried to enter in it. My idea was to be able to rate an "abstract entity" that could represents a person or company that wasn't registered on WoT.
1245674;1440100669;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1245675;1440100686;trinque;which link?
1245676;1440100692;felipelalli;!up ascii_field
1245677;1440100719;ascii_field;felipelalli: why not simply rate'em if they ever show up.
1245678;1440100731;ascii_field;why does wot need to be a dead hand ?
1245679;1440100749;trinque;this is why I suggest deeds for this, rather than WoT ratings
1245680;1440100762;trinque;"fuck he who did X" is a fine thing to preserve permanently
1245681;1440100784;trinque;this is actually the thing that most excites me about bitcoin: permanent social memory
1245682;1440100790;felipelalli;ascii_field, this is actually useful to identify scammers. Scammers does not like to register in WoT systems because they are easily got.
1245683;1440100790;trinque;at least as long as the life of the chain
1245684;1440100802;trinque;felipelalli: good reason to do business in-WoT though
1245685;1440100835;felipelalli;trinque, yes, max priority.
1245686;1440100889;felipelalli;trinque, the link I tried to enter was this one: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt (above your commentary). But I should enter in deedbot link, not this one that is expired.
1245687;1440100890;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b5FX )
1245688;1440100902;ascii_field;felipelalli: from that perspective, a fella who was offered every chance to get in wot, and we saw that he understood how it works, but refused - has already negrated himself to -$maxint
1245689;1440100910;trinque;felipelalli: yer dpaste is dead boss
1245690;1440100931;felipelalli;ascii_field, yes! :) this is true.
1245691;1440100959;danielpbarron;https://archive.is/http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt
1245692;1440100960;assbot;http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fszafv )
1245693;1440100986;felipelalli;lol, very good!
1245694;1440101028;danielpbarron;and to those who might not have noticed, the assbot bit.ly links forward to archive.is
1245695;1440101048;trinque;nice.
1245696;1440101081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00069831 = 23.6029 BTC [-]
1245697;1440101120;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/us-ashleymadison-cybersecurity-idUSKCN0QP20K20150820 << In a message, the hackers, who call themselves the Impact Team said: "Hey Noel, you can admit it's real now."
1245698;1440101121;assbot;Hackers leave message for Ashley Madison founder in second data dump: expert| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fszwTm )
1245699;1440101139;trinque;mein gott the lolz
1245700;1440101142;felipelalli;I'm reading http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/ now. Who is this guy "goat"?
1245701;1440101144;assbot;shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )
1245702;1440101163;ascii_field;felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him
1245703;1440101171;danielpbarron;some guy who isn't in the WoT
1245704;1440101229;danielpbarron;yet another guy who "teaches the controversy" that the "debate" is whether to use 'Core' vs 'XT'
1245705;1440101256;ascii_field;goodcop/badcop
1245706;1440101269;mircea_popescu;in the current state this is actually fine. "debate core vs xt" misrepresentation is a degradation of "core consensus" prev state.
1245707;1440101292;ascii_field;xt was 'bad cop' from day 1
1245708;1440101306;ascii_field;(existed to make 'core' look like a decent thing)
1245709;1440101321;mircea_popescu;yes. except this need wasn't perceived back in say 2013.
1245710;1440101325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47863 @ 0.00069757 = 33.3878 BTC [-] {4} 
1245711;1440101363;ascii_field;when ~did~ 'xt' appear ?
1245712;1440101385;mircea_popescu;hearn was added to support gavin almost as soon as gavin did his "presentation" at cia.
1245713;1440101403;ascii_field;this i recall.
1245714;1440101406;mircea_popescu;but they were, according to usg, unknown. only recently were they moved from field to embassy duty
1245715;1440101417;mircea_popescu;or as that works out in bitcoin, from "developers" to "XT team"
1245716;1440101499;mircea_popescu;bah log still unusable.
1245717;1440101540;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3M0W299.txt << have a turd
1245718;1440101542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9aOnS )
1245719;1440101549;mircea_popescu;im reduced to using it through archive.today ffs.
1245720;1440101554;felipelalli;if Bitcoin Core pushes forward to increase the block size, how to resist to it if the miners decide to support the fork? Any other version unsupported by the miners would be very vulnerable to attacks from the fork side?
1245721;1440101559;ascii_field;kakobrekla: ^^
1245722;1440101572;mircea_popescu;nope, cuts off.
1245723;1440101574;ascii_field;kakobrekla: re: log
1245724;1440101596;mircea_popescu;felipelalli suppose you actually read the logs.
1245725;1440101635;mircea_popescu;ascii_field thanks
1245726;1440101637;felipelalli;!s fork
1245727;1440101638;assbot;849 results for 'fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork
1245728;1440101666;mircea_popescu;"benzinga.com" ? wtf, your dragnet's too tight, picking everything
1245729;1440101705;mircea_popescu;i bet alf's idea of microbiology work is "examine the bugs individually under microscope"
1245730;1440101717;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually, sometimes is.
1245731;1440101725;mircea_popescu;"fits in head" too ?
1245732;1440101735;ascii_field;^ was why i got out of biology
1245733;1440101749;mircea_popescu;this is a fine approach for computer viruses. for very good reasons i won't go into for the sake of not boring everyone.
1245734;1440101759;mircea_popescu;but it is a bad approach for actual microbiology. because, again, saltus.
1245735;1440101762;mircea_popescu;!up mynameismud
1245736;1440101781;kakobrekla;yeah looking into it, checked and old backup copy of the file - still slow
1245737;1440101804;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: funnily, the saltus thing is applicable to modern crapware written by morons who slavishly copy one another with minor variations
1245738;1440101809;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i use the log daily and the problem only started maybe 2 days ago. somehow.
1245739;1440101820;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes, because biology creeps in.
1245740;1440101837;mircea_popescu;it's also applicabe to things like "internet websites", for the same reason. hence the b-something comment above.
1245741;1440101840;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: i also noticed this. even dug in the payload, found nothing
1245742;1440101846;ascii_field;but i'm no www magician
1245743;1440101850;mircea_popescu;i'm tryin' to pass along to you the methodology knowledge of people in this field, ya know ?
1245744;1440101858;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu try now
1245745;1440101872;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you're entirely correct re: spamatronics
1245746;1440101878;ascii_field;somehow i wasn't thinking in that key.
1245747;1440101907;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla nope, still eats memory.
1245748;1440101921;kakobrekla;this now is 1 month old file
1245749;1440101928;kakobrekla;so its not my code and wtf.
1245750;1440101933;ascii_field;ddos?
1245751;1440101940;mircea_popescu;nah.
1245752;1440101960;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla specifically what was i testing ? log.bitcoin-assets.com right ?
1245753;1440101965;kakobrekla;yes
1245754;1440101968;mircea_popescu;could there be a cache involved ?
1245755;1440101975;kakobrekla;naw
1245756;1440101984;mircea_popescu;but i guarantee this was not present 1 month ago, or even a week ago.
1245757;1440101990;mircea_popescu;because i bitched within 5 minutes.
1245758;1440101997;ascii_field;aha
1245759;1440102002;kakobrekla;i started noticing a slowdown 7-10 days ago
1245760;1440102009;ascii_field;it started on or very close to the hour when the colours were introduced.
1245761;1440102016;mircea_popescu;ima pore through this file now see wtf.
1245762;1440102027;kakobrekla;but its not the colors!
1245763;1440102045;mircea_popescu;might not be... i noticed after they were introdfuced tho
1245764;1440102052;ascii_field;same
1245765;1440102067;kakobrekla;there is no colors in the code now, still slow
1245766;1440102076;ascii_field;is there ANYTHING that wasn't there in june ?
1245767;1440102081;mircea_popescu;https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=log.bitcoin-assets.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
1245768;1440102110;kakobrekla;fuck w3c
1245769;1440102110;mircea_popescu;useless as usual.
1245770;1440102118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0006751 = 14.1771 BTC [-]
1245771;1440102125;mircea_popescu;Line 4051, Column 13: value of attribute "ID" invalid: "1" cannot start a name
1245772;1440102127;mircea_popescu;because why.
1245773;1440102158;ascii_field;'cause some twit
1245774;1440102162;ascii_field;or perhaps - fortran
1245775;1440102191;mircea_popescu;<script src="/js/jquery-1.8.3.min.js"></script><script src="/js/jquery-ui-1.9.2.custom.min.js"></script> < those changed ?
1245776;1440102207;*;ascii_field realized long ago that standards committees attract at least half a dozen distinct types of vermin. one of which is the sort of fella who vandalizes bus stops, carves initials in
1245777;1440102229;trinque;the browser is the ultimate "make a name for myself" hell.
1245778;1440102273;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: why does that thing need js??!!!
1245779;1440102319;danielpbarron;js is what makes the selected line (via url) turn yellow
1245780;1440102335;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i just loaded a version without the head section
1245781;1440102342;mircea_popescu;it works perfectly fine, 0 delay.
1245782;1440102345;mircea_popescu;the problem is in the head.
1245783;1440102353;kakobrekla;its always in the head.
1245784;1440102362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00068582 = 6.1635 BTC [+]
1245785;1440102384;mircea_popescu;lol
1245786;1440102501;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234461 << i've been listening to his podcast ever since his article on the dance party for the shamed fat guy; the show is just barely interesting to have on in the background thanks to his somewhat libertarian-leaning co-host, Dick Masterson. Maddox himself is a damn dirty socialist, and also a self-described 'programmer' who frequently speaks to the virtues of winbl0ws
1245787;1440102501;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 06:07:22; trinque: man, I love Maddox so much
1245788;1440102605;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/log.html << check that version out. it loads fine, at least for me.
1245789;1440102607;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsCLdk )
1245790;1440102617;mircea_popescu;the only thing i changed is the head, now it reads
1245791;1440102618;trinque;danielpbarron: man, he's a socialist? that's disappointing.
1245792;1440102618;mircea_popescu;<head>
1245793;1440102618;mircea_popescu;<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
1245794;1440102618;mircea_popescu;<title>#bitcoin-assets log</title>
1245795;1440102618;mircea_popescu;<meta name="keywords" content="#bitcoin-assets log" />
1245796;1440102618;mircea_popescu;<meta name="description" content="#bitcoin-assets log" />
1245797;1440102620;mircea_popescu;<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="all" href="http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/css/all.css" />
1245798;1440102623;mircea_popescu;</head>
1245799;1440102642;trinque;I'm speaking from having read maddox.xmission.com long ago
1245800;1440102675;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lotta people are sorta like that, really. the hope and expectaton of a "greatness of the people" is hard to shake.
1245801;1440102756;kakobrekla;try log now pls
1245802;1440102764;kakobrekla;f5 also
1245803;1440102769;mircea_popescu;felipelalli or alternatively the cannonical texts on the topic. http://trilema.com/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal http://trilema.com/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal http://trilema.com/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-a
1245804;1440102770;assbot;Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g3 )
1245805;1440102770;assbot;Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g6 )
1245806;1440102771;assbot;Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6gg )
1245807;1440102771;mircea_popescu;rguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal
1245808;1440102777;*;danielpbarron confirms log loads faster now :D
1245809;1440102785;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla perfect now.
1245810;1440102788;kakobrekla;fuckin hell.
1245811;1440102792;mircea_popescu;what was it ?
1245812;1440102796;kakobrekla;css :|
1245813;1440102807;mircea_popescu;ahhh this is nice to get back.
1245814;1440102808;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1245815;1440102820;mircea_popescu;but... my version loads css/all.css and still works ?
1245816;1440102828;kakobrekla;NFI
1245817;1440102829;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1245818;1440102833;ascii_field;worx
1245819;1440102846;mircea_popescu;but listen... all i took out was the js!
1245820;1440102854;kakobrekla;all i replaced was .css
1245821;1440102860;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, thank you for the links! I was trying to find something relevant on log but I didn't so far.
1245822;1440102862;mircea_popescu;hm
1245823;1440102908;trinque;some css selectors can be heavy to apply
1245824;1440102943;mircea_popescu;trinque the file i uploaded uses the same css the not working log used tho, and worked fine!@
1245825;1440102956;trinque;could be heavy depending on the structure of the markup
1245826;1440102958;mircea_popescu;but i suppose it could be some mysterious css/js interaction
1245827;1440102963;trinque;cause it has to search the whole DOM tree
1245828;1440102976;mircea_popescu;it clearly looked like a badly done recursive search
1245829;1440102985;trinque;can be narrowed by specifying IDs, using > to specify "just immediate child" etc
1245830;1440102987;trinque;yep
1245831;1440103009;mircea_popescu;i guess it COULD be that it actually rejected the provided ids "because they start with digit" and ending up with a soup ?
1245832;1440103018;mircea_popescu;which...
1245833;1440103038;trinque;it's one of those giant monstrosities that every simple question is hard to answer
1245834;1440103045;trinque;*within which
1245835;1440103055;mircea_popescu;incidentally, re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245067 : it occurs to me that this situation is not just pseudo-exchanges and fake dating sites etc. this is universally true of the web.
1245836;1440103055;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 03:59:34; mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.
1245837;1440103079;mircea_popescu;which is to say : there's two webs. one is the original web, which exclusively consists of non-interactive http served documents. this is the same it always was, more or less.
1245838;1440103098;kakobrekla;a 'missing' 'overflow: hidden' was the cause
1245839;1440103103;mircea_popescu;then there's a secopnd web, to use its own terminology web2.0. this is composed of ALL the sites that uses https, for any purpose. such as "logins" as if that makes any sense.
1245840;1440103116;mircea_popescu;these, without exception, are populated by idiots. without exception i say.
1245841;1440103121;kakobrekla;how ? dunno, nobody could have foreseen.
1245842;1440103124;mircea_popescu;and what they do all day is, PRETEND like they're doing something.
1245843;1440103129;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla win!
1245844;1440103143;trinque;kakobrekla: heh was every line trying to figure out if it was going to be scrollable?
1245845;1440103166;trinque;"reflow" is a bitch
1245846;1440103173;kakobrekla;possibly
1245847;1440103204;mircea_popescu;they pretend like they're advertising, but aren't actually reaching anyone. they pretend like they're socializing, but they're socialising with perl scripts (as per http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ ). they pretend like they're doing banking except they aren't actually, and "cheating" on their wife with gif-provided motion and indian call center provided voice.
1245848;1440103204;assbot;Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsDRpu )
1245849;1440103230;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's a wriggleysgumification
1245850;1440103234;mircea_popescu;the web 2.0 has, basically, failed in all its promises except one. it does give monkleys something to play with.
1245851;1440103243;mircea_popescu;keeps em "busy" and "employed" and so forth.
1245852;1440103251;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced that there is enough 'genuine cheat' or whatnot to go around. hence, the simulacra.
1245853;1440103262;mircea_popescu;of course there isn'rt roflmao. what "go around" !
1245854;1440103277;mircea_popescu;the moment you have go around in the sentence you've made it about "giving stuff to people who haven't earned it"
1245855;1440103282;ascii_field;any more than there is enough toyota to 'go around' in zimbabwe
1245856;1440103290;ascii_field;how else.
1245857;1440103303;mircea_popescu;so basically... yeah. the www is the new ghetto.
1245858;1440103322;mircea_popescu;"go hang out on a website or whatever it is your kind does", as it were.
1245859;1440103323;ascii_field;orlov worked this subject in his hilarious 'dead souls'
1245860;1440103340;ascii_field;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html
1245861;1440103342;assbot;ClubOrlov: Dead Souls ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsEaR6 )
1245862;1440103369;ascii_field;kakobrekla: do the nauseating colours ~have~ to be default ?
1245863;1440103375;mircea_popescu;well, i guess it's not novel nor really anything but the most banal observation.
1245864;1440103379;kakobrekla;ascii_field f5
1245865;1440103395;ascii_field;ah
1245866;1440103397;ascii_field;ty kakobrekla
1245867;1440103398;mircea_popescu;but to my own head it's a huge step forward. i guess i was coming at the internet from the wrong perspective. took a while to clear in my head heh.
1245868;1440103411;kakobrekla;muh plesur
1245869;1440103436;mircea_popescu;"With each passing week more and more of us become ready to concede that economic growth is no longer possible. Economic de�velopment, on the old model, which UN Sec�retary Ban Ki-moon recently characterized as a �global suicide pact,� is becoming con�strained by the limits of natural resources of the finite planet, energy, arable land and fresh water foremost among them, and stressed further by extreme weather
1245870;1440103436;mircea_popescu;events that increase in frequency due to the rapidly destabilizing climate." <<< ascii_field i'm sorry, what ?
1245871;1440103439;mircea_popescu;dude's not even wrong.
1245872;1440103471;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: just now noticed that one ?
1245873;1440103477;mircea_popescu;you quoted it to me ?
1245874;1440103484;ascii_field;iirc mr o works it into every single piece somehow
1245875;1440103497;*;ascii_field just ignores
1245876;1440103522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00067343 = 16.095 BTC [-] {3} 
1245877;1440103528;ascii_field;i don't barf from religion unless it genuinely interferes with the subject matter
1245878;1440103550;mircea_popescu;i guess you'll have to provide offsets with your orlov links nao
1245879;1440103558;mircea_popescu;which paragraph am i to start reading?
1245880;1440103567;ascii_field;mr o, it appears, has somehow baked his whole mind around the idea that climatocalypse will cleanse away the sins of mankind
1245881;1440103590;trinque;heh, I've hoped for this as well. wishful thinking.
1245882;1440103592;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: third
1245883;1440103626;mircea_popescu;such nonsense.
1245884;1440103656;mircea_popescu;" What neither side seems to grasp is this: as the virtualized realm of cyberreality and social networking takes over daily life, the actual physical economy will matter less and less"
1245885;1440103665;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, what ? dude's not even wrong.
1245886;1440103696;mircea_popescu;a) what takes over ; b) what less and less. for starters.
1245887;1440103727;ascii_field;nah, makes sense - build 100x fewer cars, let lusers watch films of cars, go 'vroom' in their minds
1245888;1440103743;ascii_field;sorta why i brought it up re: the simulacra thread.
1245889;1440103749;mircea_popescu;how does this answer eiother a or b ?
1245890;1440103771;ascii_field;wankatronics ('web 2') takes over
1245891;1440103800;trinque;cannot last for very long at all, if it did
1245892;1440103828;*;trinque tries to eat a farmville vegetable
1245893;1440103838;ascii_field;trinque: for so long as it is displacing 'optional' items, rather than air, food (and can take considerable liberties with the latter!) - it lasts
1245894;1440103878;ascii_field;and, naturally, while the herring in the scania sounds.
1245895;1440103881;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "takes over" is not how you say this.
1245896;1440103895;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow all white dudes in the us go hang themselves, leaving all the black dudes
1245897;1440103897;trinque;sounds more like learning carpentry at aushwitz
1245898;1440103904;mircea_popescu;would you say this means "hanging has taken over the us" ?
1245899;1440103906;mircea_popescu;no, it did not.
1245900;1440103999;ascii_field;i must have some 'css' filter in my skull that makes orlov make sense
1245901;1440104007;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/08WQAC0.txt
1245902;1440104007;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1245903;1440104086;ascii_field;but will try anyway
1245904;1440104107;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i think 'take over' here is in the sense microshit took over pc
1245905;1440104158;ascii_field;in the sense that one ends up going to considerable lengths if wishing to avoid contact with it
1245906;1440104188;trinque;sorta like a septic line taking over a basement
1245907;1440104196;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, I read your articles. Actually I had read some parts before, but I read all over again. Unfortunately I didn't find the answer to my question. I understand that if miners just point to a "Scamcoin" (fork from Bitcoin) this is not Bitcoin, of course. But having them more hashpower, and the same type of hash function, this does not make the actual Bitcoin an "altcoin" and them vulnerable to attacks? (following the
1245908;1440104197;felipelalli;idea of that other article of yours "The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies"")
1245909;1440104200;ascii_field;trinque: aha.
1245910;1440104229;trinque;but then the agency there is just a metaphor, so I can see the argument that nothing was "taken over"
1245911;1440104248;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, in other words: the decision of majority of miners could literally kill the actual Bitcoin. Make it unusable.
1245912;1440104254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12122 @ 0.00068183 = 8.2651 BTC [+]
1245913;1440104287;kakobrekla;well it will be 2010 all over again
1245914;1440104289;trinque;felipelalli: so then the actual bitcoin has fewer miners.
1245915;1440104329;mike_c;majority of miners = 60%?  Then 40% of miners stay on bitcoin and blocks take.. 25 minutes?
1245916;1440104336;mike_c;this is not unusable.
1245917;1440104336;felipelalli;trinque, I know, but vulnerable. Miners could use a portion of their hashpower just to mess around with the actual Bitcoin.
1245918;1440104338;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dunno how you do it, but yeah
1245919;1440104354;kakobrekla;afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work
1245920;1440104376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00068613 = 8.9952 BTC [+] {3} 
1245921;1440104378;mircea_popescu;felipelalli you did not read very carefully at all.
1245922;1440104390;mike_c;in the meantime, everyone sane forks their coins, dumps the scam coin, and now the 60% miners are mining worthless coins.
1245923;1440104401;trinque;^
1245924;1440104402;mike_c;how long does that last?
1245925;1440104403;kakobrekla;i think gavins version uses 90%
1245926;1440104419;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-169.0-169.15
1245927;1440104420;assbot;Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGAzl )
1245928;1440104427;mircea_popescu;you couldn't find that on your own for some reason ?
1245929;1440104430;kakobrekla;everyone sane hahaha he said everyone sane.
1245930;1440104445;mike_c;or insane :)
1245931;1440104488;kakobrekla;insane keep their coins, sane wont touch exchanges
1245932;1440104566;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo how's the riot
1245933;1440104566;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1245934;1440104584;mircea_popescu;that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door.
1245935;1440104590;mircea_popescu;what's to keep him from doing this ?
1245936;1440104590;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, I fully understood your point on that part, but it does not answer what if the miners decide to attack the actual Bitcoin making double spends, reverting transactions etc. They'll have this power. Read http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
1245937;1440104591;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )
1245938;1440104592;mircea_popescu;nothing, really.
1245939;1440104602;mircea_popescu;yet lo and behold that not so many people drive their car through other people's doors.
1245940;1440104611;mircea_popescu;because it's their fucking car, and because if they fuck it up they don't get another one.
1245941;1440104625;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: except when they do
1245942;1440104628;ascii_field;get another one
1245943;1440104635;ascii_field;from friendly uncle usg.
1245944;1440104638;mircea_popescu;riiight.
1245945;1440104665;mircea_popescu;lemme put it plainly : if this were a unipolar world, it's not that bitcoin wouldn't exist. it's that it COULDNT.
1245946;1440104680;mircea_popescu;the world is not unipolar. even if, for various inhabitants of various rural places, it so appears.
1245947;1440104686;punkman;felipelalli: nobody can steal your coins if you just sit on them and don't spend for a while
1245948;1440104688;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1245949;1440104688;mircea_popescu;and has so appeared, since before the greeks were invented.
1245950;1440104742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38279 @ 0.00069699 = 26.6801 BTC [+] {2} 
1245951;1440104778;trinque;hm, this brings to mind monotheism, as perhaps the source of this delusion of a singular agency over reality
1245952;1440104782;trinque;or maybe just an expression of it
1245953;1440104802;felipelalli;punkman, this is true, and this is my main use of Bitcoin. I wouldn't be affected. Good point. But this is a little contradictory with the article "there is no such thing as cryptocurrencies". The idea is "There Can Be Only One"
1245954;1440104819;mike_c;There can only be one.
1245955;1440104822;mircea_popescu;christianity took over the decaying roman empire as the most concise, most popular embodiment of their hope and aspiration. the only such remaining - that even as they've failed, they still must survive "for there's nothing else".
1245956;1440104836;mike_c;But miners don't get to pick it
1245957;1440104846;mircea_popescu;it's a great faith for the defeated, and always popular with them
1245958;1440104879;mircea_popescu;felipelalli that's exactly it : there can only be one, and miners don't pick it. mike has it.
1245959;1440104983;thestringpuller;miners are the bitch of the economic majority which is MP, he decides.
1245960;1440105007;thestringpuller;whether people like that or not is irrelevant
1245961;1440105082;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> meat folks have a habit of changing skins << Deed's kinda contingent on identification being confirmed at all
1245962;1440105082;ascii_field;wouldn't a complete picture include satoshi ?
1245963;1440105083;mircea_popescu;well, teh frist 8 words stand, at any rate.
1245964;1440105091;mircea_popescu;check it out thestringpuller you got better score than orlov.
1245965;1440105106;felipelalli;thank you guys for the thoughts!
1245966;1440105123;mircea_popescu;thoughts ? what thoughts. this is abuse. you want 12-c down the hall for thoughts.
1245967;1440105136;mike_c;satoshi seems to just be holding the detonate button.
1245968;1440105151;mircea_popescu;the satosher errs only once!
1245969;1440105154;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Just found out about it coming back from mowing lawns. KMOX was talking about it. If Crown Candy Kitchen survives not much elso of value in North city
1245970;1440105159;ascii_field;mike_c: could easily push same button as mircea_popescu
1245971;1440105169;mircea_popescu;clit ?
1245972;1440105170;ascii_field;(dump sc4mf0rk coins)
1245973;1440105193;mircea_popescu;that also.
1245974;1440105210;mike_c;could yes, but it feels like he'd be more likely to blow the whole fucking thing up for some reason rather than use his coins to influence policy.
1245975;1440105219;mike_c;but who knows
1245976;1440105232;trinque;ascii_field: damn, wouldn't that be a thing to watch.
1245977;1440105241;mircea_popescu;mike_c "some reason" aka it's fucking stupid and who the fuck does this to people, takes their napkin sketches and puts it in a frame above the mantelpiece!
1245978;1440105246;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, lol
1245979;1440105262;ascii_field;trinque: wonder if 'blow all up' would result in my ancient satoshicalypse pill being dug up and put to use
1245980;1440105265;mircea_popescu;dja understand any minor mistake the man made PROTOTYPING is now preserved in billion dollars' worth of amber ?
1245981;1440105285;mike_c;yeah, but, we're fixing the napkin.  plz don't blow it up yet mr. satoshi.
1245982;1440105303;mircea_popescu;five fucking years later, you know
1245983;1440105303;mike_c;we = foundation, I'm not doing anything.
1245984;1440105304;trinque;ascii_field: which?
1245985;1440105306;mircea_popescu;"oh, we're fixing it."
1245986;1440105320;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how any man can have the patience.
1245987;1440105326;ascii_field;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 << it
1245988;1440105328;assbot;Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsImk2 )
1245989;1440105330;mircea_popescu;but my involvement in bitcoin has been deeply educative through example
1245990;1440105370;mike_c;Not exactly five years - It's a lot of work.  This work wasn't necessarily worth it before enough people took the right notice and the project got some traction
1245991;1440105384;mike_c;Meaning the fixing was only worth doing for a smaller number of years.
1245992;1440105405;mircea_popescu;i hope me and mike_c die in the same plane crash and i get to hear him talk it over with ol' paulie.
1245993;1440105423;mircea_popescu;i dunno wtf you're doing programming computers yo. go be a negotiator.
1245994;1440105452;mike_c;my mother thought I should be a lawyer
1245995;1440105459;mircea_popescu;yeah. in divorce court.
1245996;1440105463;mircea_popescu;put it straight out of business.
1245997;1440105467;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him << Two different goats
1245998;1440105493;mircea_popescu;mike the goat is not the same as pedo the goat.
1245999;1440105512;thestringpuller;pedo the goat is the thailand guy right?
1246000;1440105542;trinque;ascii_field: ah yep, read that. and it wouldn't surprise me if A was an intentional kill switch, even less so with the hypothetical "failed project"
1246001;1440105549;trinque;perhaps that was a veiled threat to use the bomb
1246002;1440105557;ascii_field;trinque: read to the end.
1246003;1440105607;ascii_field;spoiler: the anti-bomb is to make satoshi's blocks unspendable.
1246004;1440105618;ascii_field;(and yes, that's forkspeak)
1246005;1440105624;trinque;yep, read that too
1246006;1440105632;ascii_field;but if the bomb fell,
1246007;1440105634;trinque;something something precedent something socialism
1246008;1440105636;ascii_field;that would be the only surviving fork!
1246009;1440105644;ascii_field;the other one - dead.
1246010;1440105653;ascii_field;economically unminable, even.
1246011;1440105662;trinque;I dunno if I like having some kind of mob social mechanism to declare coins uncoined
1246012;1440105677;trinque;and yet, yes, could kill the thing otherwise
1246013;1440105706;mircea_popescu;there is nothing wrong with preserving the originator's exercisable right to end his progeniture.
1246014;1440105715;mircea_popescu;heck, the absence of social recognition for this is why i won't have kids.
1246015;1440105721;ascii_field;^
1246016;1440105732;trinque;yeah, if satoshi says "dead" I'm inclined to respect
1246017;1440105738;ascii_field;the inventor is always at war with everyone else.
1246018;1440105742;mircea_popescu;^
1246019;1440105748;ascii_field;'tis true
1246020;1440105749;mircea_popescu;more like alf's version than trinque's version.
1246021;1440105753;mircea_popescu;the war needn't end.
1246022;1440105766;ascii_field;i live on both sides of this.
1246023;1440105777;trinque;not dead in that "no more cryptocurrencies"
1246024;1440105784;trinque;but sure, I geddit
1246025;1440105799;ascii_field;inventors live, typically, with a strong but arguably justifiable sense of being scammed by their fellow man collectively.
1246026;1440105819;trinque;supposing it ends up expected that clients have a sort of "spam" list of bitcoin addresses they ignore
1246027;1440105828;trinque;not a pleasant thought
1246028;1440105858;ascii_field;one hypothesis of mine is that the 'anti-bomb' will help not at all unless dropped ~prior~ to the s-bomb
1246029;1440105873;ascii_field;because proscribing the blocks later won't un-stampede the sell-panickers
1246030;1440105902;ascii_field;and won't un-mix the mixed s-coin when it ends up everywhere
1246031;1440105903;mircea_popescu;since we're doing nonsense ("you can't teach a class in nonsense. but the history of nonsnese - that's scholarship!"), can anyone explain why exactly would a hard fork not start with its own genesis ? outside of the fundamentally fraudulent, pious or otherwise, attempt to pretend like it's something it is most assuredly not ?
1246032;1440105938;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: only reason is to hitch a phree ride on the existing allocations
1246033;1440105951;mircea_popescu;so basically, free fork === new genesis block anyway.
1246034;1440105954;mircea_popescu;i mean.
1246035;1440105955;ascii_field;rather than deal with premining (or accusations thereof) and the whole orchestra.
1246036;1440105956;punkman;you can't fork the chain at genesis
1246037;1440105958;mircea_popescu;so basically, hard fork === new genesis block anyway.
1246038;1440105975;mircea_popescu;ascii_field youre not required to starty it at 1 diff.
1246039;1440105987;ascii_field;regardless of where you start the diff,
1246040;1440105993;mircea_popescu;all the altcoin scammers ever did, of course, but for a very transparent reason.
1246041;1440105994;ascii_field;early miners have massive advantage.
1246042;1440105997;mircea_popescu;how ?
1246043;1440106011;ascii_field;well, you can't start at ~very~ massive diff
1246044;1440106015;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1246045;1440106018;ascii_field;because then you get millenium-long block times
1246046;1440106026;mircea_popescu;"here's the hard fork. mine the first block or go away"
1246047;1440106032;ascii_field;(with the hash power typically available to a forker)
1246048;1440106046;mircea_popescu;that'd have been the HONEST approach to xt, were xt actually powered by the stuff they claim it to be powered by.
1246049;1440106067;mircea_popescu;if genuinely users were constricted by nonsensical rules which inept conservatives maintained out of sheer lunacy,
1246050;1440106078;mircea_popescu;then they could always have done it properly, like above. heck, they still do.
1246051;1440106131;mircea_popescu;"oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc for mining a block, here or there. each hash is worth the same.
1246052;1440106148;ascii_field;a fork that doesn't switch workfunction is ipso facto a fraud
1246053;1440106157;mircea_popescu;it COULD just switch genesis.
1246054;1440106166;ascii_field;done umpteen times
1246055;1440106173;ascii_field;gets difficultywanked to death.
1246056;1440106177;mircea_popescu;perfectly valid fork that doesn't run into (the mostly valid) problem you raise.
1246057;1440106182;BingoBoingo;<kakobrekla> afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work << 75% for just 1 week. Decides to fuck off faster than difficulty decides between anal and blow job.
1246058;1440106186;mircea_popescu;nononon. nonononoNO!
1246059;1440106191;mircea_popescu;new genesis, same difficulty.
1246060;1440106208;ascii_field;<mircea_popescu> "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc << can't transact!
1246061;1440106217;mircea_popescu;you can, if you mine it.
1246062;1440106227;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo yeah i wasnt clear, 75% over 1k blocks which is 1 week + 2week 'grace' period
1246063;1440106230;kakobrekla;or what
1246064;1440106239;kakobrekla;;;google bip101
1246065;1440106240;gribble;Stephen Pair on Twitter: "We support the adoption of BIP 101 for ...: <https://twitter.com/spair/status/634174754879078400>; Stephen Pair: BitPay supports the adoption of BIP 101 for increasing ...: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hod9r/stephen_pair_bitpay_supports_the_adoption_of_bip/>; Blocktrail now shows pools supporting 8MB blocks and BIP101 ...: (1 more message)
1246066;1440106243;mircea_popescu;!rated slush
1246067;1440106243;assbot;You have not rated slush.
1246068;1440106256;kakobrekla;;;google bip101 github
1246069;1440106257;gribble;BIP: 101 - GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki>; Implement BIP101: Increase maximum blocksize · Issue ... - GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6559>; gavinandresen (Gavin Andresen) · GitHub: <https://github.com/gavinandresen?tab=activity>
1246070;1440106265;mircea_popescu;!rate slush -10 fuckwit
1246071;1440106265;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0344cfe7ebb8628d
1246072;1440106285;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.slush.-10:32bc6c42d2abe961351b640351fa93b57b39fb751ee8ffa2f040ca50fa101109
1246073;1440106285;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -10 for slush with note: fuckwit
1246074;1440106303;kakobrekla;wait bip101 is autherd by ga and suggest 8mb
1246075;1440106306;ascii_field;<mircea_popescu> you can, if you mine it. << that requires - shudder - actual resources!
1246076;1440106307;kakobrekla;wasnt there a 20mb version also
1246077;1440106319;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla iirc they're at 133 mb now.
1246078;1440106326;trinque;because why not
1246079;1440106333;mircea_popescu;just numbers.
1246080;1440106340;mircea_popescu;and you want a bigger amount of just number.
1246081;1440106340;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door. << Incidently used care prices are finally returning to "normal" pre-Obola-cash-for-clunkers depreciation curve. Thousand dollar cars are a thing again. Soon it will probably be possible to acquire a car capable of providi
1246082;1440106340;BingoBoingo;ng its own motion for three digits again. Thank you China!
1246083;1440106383;mircea_popescu;this is how you plan to make your boat ?
1246084;1440106428;mircea_popescu;ascii_field obviously. i'm just saying, you know, here's where the shore is. for all the puddles pretending to be rivers.
1246085;1440106465;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: nah, it's where mars is.
1246086;1440106469;ascii_field;yes, we know where.
1246087;1440106472;ascii_field;now buy me a ticket.
1246088;1440106566;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1246089;1440106593;mircea_popescu;punkman http://dpaste.com/2YG643G
1246090;1440106595;assbot;dpaste: 2YG643G ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsMnVn )
1246091;1440106595;mircea_popescu;now what.
1246092;1440106631;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it robs whitespace.
1246093;1440106636;ascii_field;capriciously, maliciously.
1246094;1440106640;mircea_popescu;hey, he made a statement.
1246095;1440106642;ascii_field;because tards.
1246096;1440106659;punkman;mircea_popescu: you added newlines?
1246097;1440106675;mircea_popescu;well you can readily see what i added, it's all in there
1246098;1440106718;punkman;I don't see trailing spaces/tabs/etc
1246099;1440106737;mircea_popescu;the text reads "append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text"
1246100;1440106755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069714 = 7.808 BTC [+]
1246101;1440106762;ascii_field;briefly back to earlier thread, i hypothesize that is s-bomb falls, the 'counter-bomb' is a schelling point.
1246102;1440106782;mircea_popescu;about as pointy as litecoin.
1246103;1440106803;ascii_field;i, for instance, am not any more thrilled about satoshi's blocks being spendable than a german in 1945 was re: the trotyl that hitler ordered planted on everything worth half a broken pfenning
1246104;1440106821;ascii_field;(not carried out, because they weren't morons..)
1246105;1440106826;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i thought you had no money, what do you care.
1246106;1440106833;ascii_field;i want a dead usg.
1246107;1440106841;ascii_field;there is exactly one weapon.
1246108;1440106854;mircea_popescu;lol simmar down
1246109;1440106864;mircea_popescu;fucking lettuce's a weapon.,
1246110;1440106878;ascii_field;if thrown well!
1246111;1440106885;mircea_popescu;"does it grow on dead body ? " "ayep" "then it's dangerous weapon for usg"
1246112;1440106942;ascii_field;it also occurs to me that an anti-bombed bitcoin is only a hardfork ~if~ the bomb falls.
1246113;1440107002;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245331 << mebbe a blessing, this. sometimes mine takes 3 hours, i'm on like the fifth cup of very milky capuccino...
1246114;1440107002;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 12:05:32; jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent
1246115;1440107036;ascii_field;when i wrote that essay, and there was no positive reaction to it, i concluded that bitcoin users are just too fond of fellating the invisible cock of the anonymous microshit vs wizard, to care half a damn
1246116;1440107063;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245346 << amusingly, people don't tend to do that much.
1246117;1440107063;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 13:16:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'
1246118;1440107094;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there are two undistinguishable reasons for silent answer. one's that no one heard.
1246119;1440107205;ascii_field;nah, enough folks heard.
1246120;1440107228;ascii_field;but reaction was, unsurprisingly, 'this is satanic'
1246121;1440107266;ascii_field;hell, i don't find it esp. appetizing, either.
1246122;1440107269;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245360 << yeah well, allow me to welcome youy in the wonderful world of soviet bureaucracy. the guns were delivered at kiev. the men were delivered at odessa. the ammunition was left behind. inexplicably, the front fell.
1246123;1440107269;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 13:20:14; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.
1246124;1440107492;punkman;mircea_popescu: I was wrong on the CR part, not sure on the exact set of whitespace chars it will happily eat, but it's probably more than tabs and spaces. example: http://dpaste.com/18QBJJY.txt
1246125;1440107494;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9p7IZ )
1246126;1440107503;mircea_popescu;yeah agreed punkman
1246127;1440107514;mircea_popescu;just making the point that it's fucking impossible to predict wtf it does
1246128;1440107518;mircea_popescu;much what alf was sayin
1246129;1440107529;punkman;you can convert between \r, \r\n and \n without problems though
1246130;1440107577;mircea_popescu;still, these perfectly valid technical objections aside - signed is deeply inferior to clearsigned. this is a fact, and it won't change.
1246131;1440107587;mircea_popescu;the correct solution is to reimplement pgp and make it behave re clearsign.
1246132;1440107592;punkman;I was also trying to make a point about the |GPG| prefix being useless
1246133;1440107625;mircea_popescu;well, no. it works as intended : if you extract all the prefixed lines and wipe the prefix, you get the original text.
1246134;1440107641;punkman;it'd have worked with dashes just as well
1246135;1440107654;mircea_popescu;no, because diff creates --- lines
1246136;1440107657;mircea_popescu;which turn into - ---
1246137;1440107672;punkman;so you remove "- " instead of "|GPG|".
1246138;1440107682;mircea_popescu;and it's necessarily safe to s/|GPG|// than to s/- //
1246139;1440107682;BingoBoingo;lolipinos https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrijf/in_no_less_than_six_years_of_block_size_increases/
1246140;1440107683;assbot;In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9pvHs )
1246141;1440107738;mircea_popescu;"This shit from Mircea and friends is incomprehensible. And probably exactly wrong."
1246142;1440107752;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's how it works. totally/
1246143;1440107766;BingoBoingo;Even though it links to all the times Mircea was right and doesn't have Mircea on the byline
1246144;1440107835;mircea_popescu;it's still probably exactly wrong!!!
1246145;1440107975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00068615 = 25.0445 BTC [-] {3} 
1246146;1440108158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0006987 = 24.8737 BTC [+]
1246147;1440108341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4972 @ 0.00068014 = 3.3817 BTC [-] {2} 
1246148;1440108412;mircea_popescu;anwyay, this is a perfectly fine time to move hashing away from slush, if anyone was looking.
1246149;1440108422;mircea_popescu;"good guys" gotta at some point comprehend the jwz future is no future.
1246150;1440108453;mircea_popescu;let him be "oh, that xt pool operator" and hang with it.
1246151;1440108524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.0006984 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {5} 
1246152;1440108543;BingoBoingo;I was kinda iffy about him with the whole Trezor thing
1246153;1440108612;mircea_popescu;oh that shit still exists even ?
1246154;1440108700;BingoBoingo;Not really sure
1246155;1440108890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00067282 = 74.0102 BTC [-] {6} 
1246156;1440109001;jurov;kakobrekla/mike_c , is there any public source for mpex trades (other than mpex.coinbr.com) that does not mutilate data?
1246157;1440109027;kakobrekla;i have one
1246158;1440109043;jurov;live.coinbr.com i mean
1246159;1440109069;jurov;well, i was troubleshooting coinbr transaction "2015-08-19T22:31:42+00:00", B 53950, "S.MPOE" @ 68266 but it got put together with others and then published in channel
1246160;1440109097;jurov;and say i wanted to convince coinbr customer that yes, it happened
1246161;1440109129;mircea_popescu;why would customer need convincing ?
1246162;1440109262;jurov;cuz i must still occassionally fix coinbr history
1246163;1440109311;mircea_popescu;yes but traditionally the way broker works is that he allocates his trades. so... you say it happened, you have a block it could have happenbed in, that's it.
1246164;1440109349;kakobrekla;http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since=1440023481 first line
1246165;1440109350;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9teop )
1246166;1440109409;jurov;kakobrekla: wow.
1246167;1440109430;kakobrekla;what
1246168;1440109545;jurov;!s uery.bitcoin-assets.com
1246169;1440109546;assbot;0 results for 'uery.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=uery.bitcoin-assets.com
1246170;1440109550;jurov;!s query.bitcoin-assets.com
1246171;1440109551;assbot;1 results for 'query.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=query.bitcoin-assets.com
1246172;1440109566;kakobrekla;i didnt publish the link really.
1246173;1440109568;jurov;nothing, i just had no idea
1246174;1440109758;*;jurov 's gonna dictionary ping *.bitcoin-assets.com to see if there's more :D
1246175;1440109772;jurov;;;isup bait.bitcoin-assets.com
1246176;1440109773;gribble;bait.bitcoin-assets.com is up
1246177;1440109779;jurov;wut???
1246178;1440109784;mircea_popescu;lmao
1246179;1440109921;jurov;it's wildcard record.. duh
1246180;1440110224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245376 << which is why the only possible answers are violence or submission, which is why the inane bitching on social media sounds just like she's playing coy but enjoyed it, and which is also why "a society without violence" can not in point of fact function.
1246181;1440110224;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 13:35:55; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'
1246182;1440110379;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245396 << imo it's just a leftover magic thinking thing. "oh if i keep the kid's name a secret evil witches can't steal his soul".
1246183;1440110379;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 13:57:50; asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ?
1246184;1440110476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0007016 = 19.4343 BTC [+]
1246185;1440110478;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245446 << well, it wasn't really his car. think of the us more in terms of a casino. he was allowed one spin on the casino's car, and then if he wanted another spin he had to give them another ticket.
1246186;1440110478;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 14:26:53; mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?
1246187;1440110595;mats;http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2015/08/20/futures-slump-as-investors-continue-to-parse-fed-minutes
1246188;1440110596;assbot;Wall Street Selloff: S&P Joins Dow in Negative Territory for '15 | Fox Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsYdPl )
1246189;1440110646;mircea_popescu;"I think we should put users first." << oh, but we are. because poor people ARE NOT bitcoin users. by definition.
1246190;1440110672;mircea_popescu;we aren't putting ghetto meat first. let the usg have that, they earned it.
1246191;1440110751;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the only possible definition of "middle class" is, "what's left of the poor fucks once the rich fucks are done raping their daughters and shooting their sons for sport."
1246192;1440110763;mircea_popescu;you can't have a middle class unless the poor class is being squished underfoot.
1246193;1440110778;mats;YHOO: -3.10%, TSLA: -5.12%, BABA: -3.83%, AMZN: -3.22%, AAPL: -2.05%, BOX: -2.31%, FB: -.98%, SCTY: -4.47%, ZNGA: -2.33%, GOOG: -2.13%
1246194;1440110781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5958 @ 0.00068358 = 4.0728 BTC [-]
1246195;1440110790;mats;le pummeling
1246196;1440110794;mircea_popescu;aww. so much less russias they could buy.
1246197;1440110807;mats;correction, FB: -4.98%
1246198;1440110807;mircea_popescu;!t m s.mpoe
1246199;1440110808;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067172 / 0.00069087 / 0.00071459 (2635190 shares, 1,820.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00060969 / 0.00070717 / 0.0007991 (14054424 shares, 9,938.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058091 / 0.0007991 (83785547 shares, 48,672.49 BTC)
1246200;1440110839;mircea_popescu;;;calc  0.00068358/0.00069087
1246201;1440110839;gribble;0.989448087194
1246202;1440110845;mircea_popescu;mpoe only down 1%!
1246203;1440110876;mircea_popescu;znga for fucks sake.
1246204;1440110893;mircea_popescu;i look at that index and i'm like... hey, nice, simcity 2015.
1246205;1440110916;mats;:)
1246206;1440110948;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245481 << what are you trying to accomplish ?
1246207;1440110948;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135
1246208;1440111064;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245510 << the consensus seems to be that the us will end under a hail of "don't thread on me" folk. it's what chomsy thinks but daren't say, it's what the various judges think which is why they come out with all the lulzy pretense of "systematic" discussion etc.
1246209;1440111064;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 16:50:56; ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')
1246210;1440111075;mircea_popescu;i'm unconvinced, but who knows.
1246211;1440111105;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1246212;1440111112;*;ascii_field mega-unconvinced
1246213;1440111115;ascii_field;because the 'don'
1246214;1440111127;ascii_field;t tread' folks have collective 'iq' of 3.
1246215;1440111130;mircea_popescu;don ?
1246216;1440111139;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that.
1246217;1440111150;ascii_field;wake me up when they stop 'death ray'ing.
1246218;1440111163;ascii_field;and start pgp.
1246219;1440111173;mircea_popescu;this is completely unrelated.
1246220;1440111179;ascii_field;mno.
1246221;1440111193;ascii_field;mega-related. no pgp, no wot. no wot, eaten alive by influence agents and provocateurs.
1246222;1440111196;mircea_popescu;understand : the ability of the usg to continue strictly lays in the fiction called "lawful order".
1246223;1440111211;mircea_popescu;if the odds for a policeman being answered with bullets are ~0%, there can be a country.
1246224;1440111220;mircea_popescu;if the odds increase past a very tiny epsilon, there can not be a country.
1246225;1440111238;mircea_popescu;this is strictly true irrespective of any other consideration, and the epsilon can even be calculated quite well.
1246226;1440111243;ascii_field;then chechnya. which isn't a long-term affair.
1246227;1440111251;mircea_popescu;not necessarily.
1246228;1440111260;mircea_popescu;chechnya, in chechnya. romania, in romania. etc.
1246229;1440111270;ascii_field;modern ro is a somalia ?
1246230;1440111273;ascii_field;or no ?
1246231;1440111276;mircea_popescu;"then us finally gets to meet its destiny".
1246232;1440111279;ascii_field;what % bullet ?
1246233;1440111291;mircea_popescu;modern ro is kinda what the us aspires to be. and at the point where that happened, about 3%.
1246234;1440111312;ascii_field;no, what % ~today~
1246235;1440111317;mircea_popescu;and the next day, people had to hide the police from the mob, like they were jews suddenly.
1246236;1440111320;mircea_popescu;today ? why today ?
1246237;1440111329;ascii_field;re: whether long-term thing or no
1246238;1440111330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80850 @ 0.00067702 = 54.7371 BTC [-] {4} 
1246239;1440111343;mircea_popescu;quite long term.
1246240;1440111356;ascii_field;anyway usa is on the zimbabwe track not the ro track
1246241;1440111363;mircea_popescu;nah, us is going to turn into argentina.
1246242;1440111365;ascii_field;it'll be a 'colour' thing.
1246243;1440111373;ascii_field;with at least 3 colours
1246244;1440111375;mircea_popescu;in fact this country is quite exactly the future of the us, almost to the last dash.
1246245;1440111386;mircea_popescu;and the funny thing is - the usians won't even know it.
1246246;1440111414;ascii_field;hard to know things when dead
1246247;1440111417;mircea_popescu;they'll just sue the chinese in a chinese court protesting that the chinese arew forcing them to pay bonds as they promised to pay,
1246248;1440111423;mircea_popescu;and won't even realise anything's amiss.
1246249;1440111439;mircea_popescu;will discuss their debates, whatever, "race", "women" bla bla. much like the locals do soccer.
1246250;1440111458;ascii_field;that is done already?
1246251;1440111460;mircea_popescu;heck, i can almost see it, "Key West Is American"
1246252;1440111469;mircea_popescu;buncha veterans of the lost war on lawn of white house,
1246253;1440111480;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hence my "locals won't even know it"./
1246254;1440111550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245518 << i thought ls was the problem.
1246255;1440111550;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!
1246256;1440111638;ascii_field;http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/dir.c
1246257;1440111639;assbot;diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmStmt )
1246258;1440111654;ascii_field;^ does not invoke 'ls' internally (who is surprised?!)
1246259;1440111684;mircea_popescu;o.O
1246260;1440111689;mircea_popescu;why ther fuck would it not
1246261;1440111720;ascii_field;because.
1246262;1440111722;mircea_popescu;dude it's almost as if everyone using computers before was just you know, playing.
1246263;1440111726;ascii_field;'what if ls is retarded?!'
1246264;1440111732;ascii_field;'whaddayathink this is, plan9?'
1246265;1440111735;mircea_popescu;"what, someone will one day want bitwise identity on outputs ?!? AHAHAHAHAWUT"
1246266;1440111735;ascii_field;or go ask rms
1246267;1440111738;ascii_field;(author)
1246268;1440111757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32121 @ 0.00067065 = 21.5419 BTC [-] {3} 
1246269;1440111771;mircea_popescu;i am seriously persuaded that not a single "programmer" alive until 2010 ever realised that yes, bitwise identity is a thing.
1246270;1440111773;ascii_field;     gcc 4.8.0 20120825; see
1246271;1440111773;ascii_field;     <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-diffutils/2012-08/msg00007.html>.
1246272;1440111773;ascii_field;     */
1246273;1440111775;ascii_field;^ l0l!!!!
1246274;1440111781;mircea_popescu;fucking openssl dispolays the issue.
1246275;1440111786;*;ascii_field realized
1246276;1440111788;mircea_popescu;but i mean it's universal by now.
1246277;1440111790;mircea_popescu;talk about fucking bit rot.
1246278;1440111792;*;ascii_field in ~2004-ish
1246279;1440111821;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i tell you, trying to convince sopmeone to not mentally s/programmer/monkey/ is a very hard task.
1246280;1440111872;mircea_popescu;it's as if bitcoin suddenly raised the bar for programming computers and now most everyone's too short to play.
1246281;1440111883;mircea_popescu;"wait, THAT is what computers were for ?! all these years!"
1246282;1440111895;mircea_popescu;!up ahmed_bodi
1246283;1440111906;ahmed_bodi;thank you
1246284;1440111911;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ?
1246285;1440111918;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: wake me up when time for adacoin.
1246286;1440111922;*;ascii_field bbl
1246287;1440111939;mircea_popescu;you sleep too much!
1246288;1440111951;ahmed_bodi;Occasional trader. remember trading with a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore
1246289;1440111958;mircea_popescu;bad move.
1246290;1440111966;mircea_popescu;!down ahmed_bodi
1246291;1440112288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.
1246292;1440112288;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 18:30:08; kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ?
1246293;1440112384;mircea_popescu;wait. pd-dos was the os one not dr-dos.
1246294;1440112492;mircea_popescu;ah ok nm, furher down in teh logs huh.
1246295;1440112539;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245619 << lol win
1246296;1440112539;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 18:48:57; ascii_field: 'the cuckening'
1246297;1440112603;shinohai;Many testicles will be crushed.
1246298;1440112615;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245638 << a ton of uncut cocaine, more than the collected body of us sluts in the proper age could snort anyway.
1246299;1440112615;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 19:10:43; ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar
1246300;1440112691;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245641 << except this is how it works, always and everywhere. /me doth not know a time or a place where it was different. including the early days of the us revolutionary movement, or the days the menshevic faction had the upper hand, or any other time.
1246301;1440112691;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 19:11:48; trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care
1246302;1440112718;mircea_popescu;this because "the people" have no proper function in government, and unlike the aspie 14%, the people know this well enough.
1246303;1440112723;mircea_popescu;hence nixon's "silent majority" etc.
1246304;1440112841;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245669 << what a great image!
1246305;1440112841;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 19:54:59; ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake
1246306;1440112857;mircea_popescu;is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two
1246307;1440113200;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> talk about fucking bit rot. << 8 way RAID 1 mirrors are starting to get really appearing just as Bitrot prevention
1246308;1440113227;mircea_popescu;most bitrot is man made
1246309;1440113270;BingoBoingo;Of course. I's just like to kill the Cawsmax Ray excuse
1246310;1440113333;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two << like his work I imagine also fueled by his hatred
1246311;1440113768;BingoBoingo;scoopbot_revived fetch
1246312;1440113818;scooprot;http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/
1246313;1440113819;assbot;Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
1246314;1440113903;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you'll have to blockquote code snippets tho
1246315;1440113918;BingoBoingo;Ah, lemme go in
1246316;1440113990;mircea_popescu;his true malfeasance and loyalties come to light under superficial examination.
1246317;1440114023;BingoBoingo;K, thestringpuller isn't getting shares from Hearn's code
1246318;1440114034;mircea_popescu;"his true loyalties and thinly disguised malfeasance are apparent even under the most superficial examination" ?
1246319;1440114045;mircea_popescu;or in any case that closer's broken
1246320;1440114136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14451 @ 0.0007016 = 10.1388 BTC [+]
1246321;1440114207;BingoBoingo;ah
1246322;1440114308;BingoBoingo;Should be fixed and in the I can't even department http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-police-officer-describes-heartbreak-of-fatal-shooting-of-/article_bb249529-3870-5ae1-83da-8545f4a6773e.html Yet they burned a chunk of North St Last night for the kid who ran out of a crack house
1246323;1440114309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EG3tWI )
1246324;1440114355;BingoBoingo;Gawker of course has a piece on Homeboy fleeing the crackhouse and eating pig lead
1246325;1440114404;mircea_popescu;is this the nyfd shooting or something else
1246326;1440114441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068949 = 12.5487 BTC [-]
1246327;1440114508;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah. Two St Louis shootings. One was Ferguson hoodrats shot through a house killing a nine year old with a stray bullet. The other was StL PD shooting a fleeing innocent youth.
1246328;1440114523;BingoBoingo;Just another innocent youth running from the crack house
1246329;1440114625;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other news, https://archive.is/OK7hr
1246330;1440114628;assbot;El Gran' Teatro Argentino - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1EG3WrQ )
1246331;1440114662;mircea_popescu;above clarin, above trip advisor, above wikipedia, TRILEMA UBER ALLES!
1246332;1440114746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21939 @ 0.00066998 = 14.6987 BTC [-]
1246333;1440114774;ag3nt_zer0;hello all
1246334;1440114945;mircea_popescu;how goes
1246335;1440115252;mats;http://i.imgur.com/uRCqcTS.jpg
1246336;1440115253;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHmIY1 )
1246337;1440115258;ag3nt_zer0;hey it goes pretty good just finsihed my first two days at new elementary music ed job... getting paid to dance with 5 year olds is pretty fucking nice
1246338;1440115282;ag3nt_zer0;and yourself?
1246339;1440115457;BingoBoingo;Don't go Jared
1246340;1440115682;ag3nt_zer0;seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZQf0p73QM
1246341;1440115683;assbot;(original) Man In Nursing Home Reacts To Hearing Music From His Era - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn54B )
1246342;1440115706;BingoBoingo;Also, who would have thought "People" magazine would "get it" and join the shitlord train to swolehalla http://www.people.com/article/project-harpoon-photoshop-plus-size-women-speaks-out
1246343;1440115707;assbot;Project Harpoon Slammed for Photoshopping Images of Plus-Size Women : People.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn8h2 )
1246344;1440115786;mats;BingoBoingo: re: "Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans", some corrections -- "these data structure" >> "these data structures" and "though some voice" >> "though some voices"
1246345;1440115859;BingoBoingo;ty mats fxd
1246346;1440115990;ag3nt_zer0;more miraculous music stuff: melodic intonation therapy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5verI-bj8
1246347;1440115990;assbot;Music Therapy and Aphasia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHnp3z )
1246348;1440116066;ag3nt_zer0;... teaching stroke victims to talk again  - after 5 years of fruitless attempts this guys doctor taps and sings happy birthday and the dude just sings it straightaway with him
1246349;1440116079;ag3nt_zer0;hadnt been able to speak for 5 years or something
1246350;1440116117;ag3nt_zer0;so then they teach him to sing songs, then replace the words with what they actually want to say
1246351;1440116130;ag3nt_zer0;then do best to remove the melodic attribute
1246352;1440116515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069913 = 20.5894 BTC [+] {4} 
1246353;1440116596;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246291 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245614 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245615
1246354;1440116596;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 23:11:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.
1246355;1440116596;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:05; ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind
1246356;1440116596;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:19; ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything
1246357;1440116692;jurov;would be more like "dos extender"
1246358;1440116706;asciilifeform;jurov: there's no role for a single byte of the dos in ther
1246359;1440116719;asciilifeform;it literally gives nothing over the naked iron, for this job.
1246360;1440116722;asciilifeform;not one lick.
1246361;1440116759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2329 @ 0.00091012 = 2.1197 BTC [+]
1246362;1440116787;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246308 << aha. for instance, one fella i know loaded the new (today's) 'ashley madison' crud. and one of the archive balls fails pgp sig.
1246363;1440116787;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 23:27:07; mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made
1246364;1440116798;asciilifeform;the interesting one, naturally.
1246365;1440116900;jurov;i know. just feeling the longing after himen.sys :D
1246366;1440116906;jurov;(typo intended)
1246367;1440116929;asciilifeform;jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today.
1246368;1440116951;asciilifeform;to me game on computer is fucking ~synonymous~ with dos.
1246369;1440117003;jurov;still, i have used t602, too
1246370;1440117013;asciilifeform;dos is to game as greece is to philosophy.
1246371;1440117033;asciilifeform;yes, no news, not for long time. but it remains.
1246372;1440117061;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrum5/degenerate_gambler_mircea_popescu_muses_about_how/ today's dose of buttcoin
1246373;1440117062;assbot;Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8UgrH )
1246374;1440117130;jurov;"What kind of terrible offense must one commit in their past life to be reborn as a trickster god's cruel experiment: a living work of sadistic irony possessing the visual acuity of a hawk, the palate of a dung beetle, and the agency of a mollusk."
1246375;1440117295;jurov;is that a compliment in disguise?
1246376;1440117380;jurov;cuz of the hawk... and some molluscs (like cephalopods) are very intelligent
1246377;1440117461;BingoBoingo;Indeed OCTOPEx
1246378;1440117562;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's the 'soft pliable other thing' link?
1246379;1440117568;asciilifeform;right now just points to my site root
1246380;1440117587;BingoBoingo;Will fix, intended tungsten mels
1246381;1440117588;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork
1246382;1440117590;assbot;Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHoR5L )
1246383;1440117591;BingoBoingo;*melts
1246384;1440117648;BingoBoingo;fxd
1246385;1440117895;trinque;asciilifeform | jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << /me wishes to see asciilifeform's DOS game list, as I was too young to truly appreciate the era
1246386;1440117906;trinque;had US Navy Fighters and Magic Carpet
1246387;1440117915;asciilifeform;trinque: pretty much anything by 'sierra'
1246388;1440117918;trinque;lemmings too
1246389;1440117920;mircea_popescu;lmao that michelle bachman quote...
1246390;1440117921;asciilifeform;and 'lucas'
1246391;1440117925;trinque;cool
1246392;1440117940;asciilifeform;also microprose, adeline, psygnosis...
1246393;1440117984;asciilifeform;infogrames
1246394;1440117990;asciilifeform;buncha others.
1246395;1440118003;trinque;that'll keep me busy
1246396;1440118010;asciilifeform;if must start with one - sierra.
1246397;1440118039;trinque;ah lode runner is theirs?
1246398;1440118042;trinque;I played that
1246399;1440118053;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not altogether clear multi thread benefits bitcoin much. at least atm.
1246400;1440118054;asciilifeform;sierra is mainly known the the adventures
1246401;1440118081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta have at least a minimal scheduler for tcp/ip
1246402;1440118089;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << word.
1246403;1440118130;mircea_popescu;wait i'm a degenerate gambler now ? how's that work.
1246404;1440118162;asciilifeform;perhaps it is like being a mollusc? or hawk? or which other animals were mentioned
1246405;1440118206;jurov;i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see
1246406;1440118209;mircea_popescu;oh they didn't care for the anthropology bit.
1246407;1440118219;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2796
1246408;1440118221;assbot;JL: The Stoned Boxer ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHpn3P )
1246409;1440118226;mircea_popescu;well heck, how is it my fault nature doesn't fit their projections ffs.
1246410;1440118242;BingoBoingo;But she was being so unreasonable that it helped my cause. When I told the cops that I slipped the nelson on her they were congratulatory. The one cop says, �Really, man, you used the nelson? Way to go�that�s the best thing for women who are trying to hit you!�
1246411;1440118248;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever hear term 'hatefact' ?
1246412;1440118252;mircea_popescu;i'm a degenerate gambler because us libertard can't stomach monkey rape. wtf already.
1246413;1440118284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like artefact but for dumb people ?
1246414;1440118334;asciilifeform;it is the name for, in this case, the monkeyrape
1246415;1440118337;mircea_popescu;"A group of fat-shaming gamers " << how does that work ?
1246416;1440118348;asciilifeform;or orwell's 'spanish armada sank' vs chesterton's 'fuck off'
1246417;1440118350;mircea_popescu;dude wtf, nobody went to school or something. here's some word soup for you!
1246418;1440118379;BingoBoingo;Gotta counter that double speak with triple listen
1246419;1440118382;asciilifeform;(chesterton, naturally, as stand-in for his imagined opposition)
1246420;1440118390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahaha
1246421;1440118409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think chesterton thought anything about orwell past "hack".
1246422;1440118447;mircea_popescu;in fact, the only actual attention orwell has, at any point, enjoyed, is in the fringe of 1984 afficionados, which suddenly saw itself bitcoinized into relevancy cca 2010. otherwise...
1246423;1440118462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: considering that c died while mr o was a grunt in spain and had total of what, 100 pgs, printed
1246424;1440118469;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone ever think he's even 2nd rate.
1246425;1440118504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i never got the impression that o had pretences to 'great'. he wrote for the archaeologist. as i do.
1246426;1440118511;asciilifeform;message in a bottle.
1246427;1440118518;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1246428;1440118532;mircea_popescu;hard to say exactly. and im too disinterested to go on a orwell bio kick.
1246429;1440118539;asciilifeform;wrote because the choices are 'write into a bottle' or 'eat bullet'
1246430;1440118549;mircea_popescu;mmm
1246431;1440118568;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's more the case that "wrote because i am wrong, and i know i am wrong, and if i don't write i can't sleep."
1246432;1440118582;asciilifeform;same thing
1246433;1440118584;mircea_popescu;"but if i do write i sometimes can also pretend like i don't know that i'm wrong."
1246434;1440118587;mircea_popescu;no, not the same thing.
1246435;1440118594;ag3nt_zer0;https://twitter.com/PrincessBMM/status/479944652049895424
1246436;1440118611;trinque;damn.
1246437;1440118626;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 okay ?
1246438;1440118649;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: snore. not even from inside crematorium
1246439;1440118663;asciilifeform;now ~that~ would be a mega-'selfie'
1246440;1440118669;ag3nt_zer0;heh
1246441;1440118691;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, from the gallows
1246442;1440118697;asciilifeform;hang for a bit, have picture taken.
1246443;1440118699;asciilifeform;pay $$.
1246444;1440118807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'wrote because i am wrong' is imho correct, but in the ~literal~ sense. as in 'my whole existence is an uncorrectable wrong'
1246445;1440118822;mircea_popescu;i dun get teh hate. chick owns her camera. wut ?
1246446;1440118826;asciilifeform;which is why i say that he had no option but 'write' or 'eat nagant'
1246447;1440118837;mircea_popescu;no, this is not the case. he was just stupid.
1246448;1440118844;mircea_popescu;not that he didn't know better, either.
1246449;1440118846;asciilifeform;gimme a smart gedankenorwell then
1246450;1440118846;mircea_popescu;but he persevered.
1246451;1440118855;asciilifeform;what'd he do
1246452;1440118855;mircea_popescu;the italian guy.
1246453;1440118859;asciilifeform;evola ?
1246454;1440118865;mircea_popescu;smart gedankenorwell is evola, yes.
1246455;1440118873;asciilifeform;evola was a money man
1246456;1440118876;mircea_popescu;so ?
1246457;1440118877;asciilifeform;orwell - not.
1246458;1440118884;asciilifeform;so not reconcilable.
1246459;1440118885;mircea_popescu;heh.
1246460;1440118894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00066998 = 8.8772 BTC [-] {2} 
1246461;1440118900;asciilifeform;the ragged dervish is permanently preoccupied with starvation
1246462;1440118903;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu yeah not sure about her intentions... my first inclination was just to think she was an idiot but on second thought that thought is a bit idiotic
1246463;1440118908;asciilifeform;i can speak for this.
1246464;1440118950;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 why can't it be that the woman does whatever the fuck she wants with the camera she boughjt in the space she paid for and everyone else can just go dangle ?
1246465;1440118955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17768 @ 0.00066968 = 11.8989 BTC [-] {3} 
1246466;1440118964;ag3nt_zer0;sounds fine to me
1246467;1440118969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because, apparently, sacrilege1111!!11
1246468;1440119002;mircea_popescu;yaya. because apparently "there's six million idiots with nothing better to do on the web".
1246469;1440119010;asciilifeform;why can't herr luther do whatever the fuck he wants with the ink that he bought with the paper that he bought....
1246470;1440119026;mircea_popescu;some objectionable twerp is proud about how she's teaching some unfortunate nigglets to "Talk trash" about random strangers,
1246471;1440119039;mircea_popescu;and not only isn't she fired for this, but somehow "the community" thinks this is sane.
1246472;1440119055;mircea_popescu;i'd fire her. she wants to teach the kids to talk trash about random people, that's what lincoln is for.
1246473;1440119152;mircea_popescu;anyway, it'd seem the fact that rape doesn't work in nature liek reddit wants it to is becoming a much bigger problem reddit has with mp than merely the fact that money doesn't work in nature like reddit wants it to.
1246474;1440119158;mircea_popescu;see alf, sex trumps money.
1246475;1440119209;asciilifeform;the 'pyramid' nonsense aside, people do end up fixated with whatever their unmet animal itch is
1246476;1440119214;asciilifeform;if food - food
1246477;1440119217;mircea_popescu;"I'd say he has completely lost the plot at this stage. He was calling bitcoinXT an altcoin long before it was even suggested. I can't imagine what's going through his mind right now given that I could imagine the completely fucked up shit that was happening before." << if anyone has a reddit to english translation service, please help.
1246478;1440119228;mircea_popescu;somehow the words fail to sentence. what's the man trying to say ?
1246479;1440119231;asciilifeform;next ask for frog2english
1246480;1440119239;asciilifeform;brekekekekex koax koax.
1246481;1440119247;asciilifeform;^ is what he says.
1246482;1440119254;asciilifeform;how and what else.
1246483;1440119262;trinque;as per that thread, nobody's going to fuck him for it
1246484;1440119272;trinque;more like a death rattle maybe?
1246485;1440119280;mircea_popescu;no but seriously. so he could imagine what was going through my head. and then i was right long before people even knew what it was called and therefore...
1246486;1440119299;trinque;I like to think I can speak idiot but..
1246487;1440119304;mircea_popescu;i can't even tell if that's supposed to be laudative or deprecatory.
1246488;1440119321;asciilifeform;frog only knows how to say one thing: 'i am frog'
1246489;1440119341;trinque;sounds like mp doesn't know what's going on because he predicted the present outcome before the community was onboard with the notion
1246490;1440119341;mircea_popescu;so technically they should be called rippits.
1246491;1440119347;trinque;!b 1
1246492;1440119348;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HJYHA1.txt )
1246493;1440119351;mircea_popescu;such colonialsim, calling rippits frogs.
1246494;1440119370;asciilifeform;brekekex.
1246495;1440119377;mircea_popescu;trinque ok but how does that make any sense lol.
1246496;1440119387;trinque;mircea_popescu: because any opinion outside the hive mind is arbitrary!
1246497;1440119395;trinque;I mean where do opinions come from if not that?
1246498;1440119396;mircea_popescu;"An asshole with these opinions on women cannot be trusted to be kinder to his customers."
1246499;1440119400;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTZUTL66dr8
1246500;1440119401;assbot;ΤΑ ΒΑΤΡΑΧΑΚΙΑ (ΒΡΕΚΕΚΕΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmdEVa )
1246501;1440119406;mircea_popescu;except i was discussing female monkeys...
1246502;1440119415;trinque;nature is sexist.
1246503;1440119447;kakobrekla;its what they are fucking, its what they feel for.
1246504;1440119510;mircea_popescu;you know, the average monkey is both much smaller overall, and then her cunt's much tinier proportionately still ?
1246505;1440119513;mircea_popescu;you cant fuck monkeys.
1246506;1440119540;kakobrekla;you can will a small enough gear prolly.
1246507;1440119551;mircea_popescu;hm
1246508;1440119563;mircea_popescu;no but really - as far as animalia is concerned, humans have HUMONGOUS penises.
1246509;1440119574;trinque;yeah, even gorillas have tiny ones
1246510;1440119577;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#775022
1246511;1440119577;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2014 21:25:42; mircea_popescu: A CS student named Lin had a prick the size of a pin. It was no good for girls but just great for squirrels, they squealed with delight with it in.
1246512;1440119578;mircea_popescu;yes.
1246513;1440119579;mats;lol.
1246514;1440119579;asciilifeform;^ see also
1246515;1440119587;mircea_popescu;lol
1246516;1440119597;trinque;hahaha
1246517;1440119618;trinque;must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history
1246518;1440119627;mircea_popescu;trinque language.
1246519;1440119633;trinque;whoops
1246520;1440119640;mircea_popescu;language was the original russian brides website.
1246521;1440119658;trinque;oh lol, got it
1246522;1440119663;trinque;so being able to refer to the thing caused it?
1246523;1440119678;mircea_popescu;(the fact that you can talk to a mated female, on top of all the other strategies to get her to fuck outside her pair, changes everything.
1246524;1440119688;mircea_popescu;and yes, penis size and female fixation are inversely correlated)
1246525;1440119713;trinque;hm, inversely. /me ponders
1246526;1440119723;mircea_popescu;which is why, to this day, the best strat to get laid is to TALK TO HER.
1246527;1440119728;mircea_popescu;today as 100k years ago.
1246528;1440119844;mircea_popescu;and, for a lol, penis size and social structured-ness are ALSO inversely correlated. which is why azns have the tiniest, and africans the biggest.
1246529;1440119848;mircea_popescu;azns build the best empires.
1246530;1440119870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.0006696 = 26.9849 BTC [-]
1246531;1440119959;mircea_popescu;"]sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss[S] 2 points 14 minutes ago
1246532;1440119960;mircea_popescu;What strikes me in all these IRC convos involving butters is that they are not talking. This is not a conversation. They say shit past each other. No one listens, no one responds, they're just on some dumbass tirade for no purpose."
1246533;1440119962;mircea_popescu;hey, is this true ?!
1246534;1440120078;*;mircea_popescu is depressed. ALL THESE YEARS.
1246535;1440120090;trinque;I don't know that I've ever seen better conversation anywhere else.
1246536;1440120104;asciilifeform;trinque only thinks this because he took the lsd!
1246537;1440120106;trinque;but how to measure that in upvotes
1246538;1440120121;trinque;one too many, I'm on a permanent trip
1246539;1440120157;mircea_popescu;maybe the conversation's too o'cult.
1246540;1440120165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try this on for size:
1246541;1440120167;asciilifeform; /* Use locale-specific sorting if possible, else native byte order.  */
1246542;1440120167;asciilifeform;      locale_specific_sorting = true;
1246543;1440120171;asciilifeform;^ guess from where.
1246544;1440120176;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1246545;1440120178;mircea_popescu;diff
1246546;1440120182;asciilifeform;aha.
1246547;1440120183;mircea_popescu;what the shit already.
1246548;1440120198;mircea_popescu;WHO thinks like this. i wish to know.
1246549;1440120214;mircea_popescu;who figures "hey, i'll write a tool, and if it does different things for different people - all the better!"
1246550;1440120220;asciilifeform;guess who.
1246551;1440120224;mircea_popescu;a programmer!
1246552;1440120241;mircea_popescu;it's fucking incredible the serendipity of this shit as overlapped on that convo.
1246553;1440120259;asciilifeform;'pogrommer' (in the words of ex-gf)
1246554;1440120423;mircea_popescu;Matches for haslink:true log.bitcoin-assets.com, 5789 total results
1246555;1440120437;asciilifeform;so i diff my genesis and mod6, and what do i find.
1246556;1440120443;mircea_popescu;over the past ~year or so.
1246557;1440120455;asciilifeform;my diff sorts lexicographic by terminal file name. as the gods meant.
1246558;1440120488;asciilifeform;that is, by ascii
1246559;1440120506;asciilifeform;n00bz - 'man ascii' on your terminal if unsure what the order is!
1246560;1440120511;asciilifeform;or open a fcking b00k
1246561;1440120540;phf;james lafond incidentally wrote how old time pubs were places were men could run wild boasts by the others and get called out or not, and that this form of conversation has been lost. seems to me in "consensus" places there's always some fuck ready to butt in into any point, just to make a counterpoint, that it's inconceivable for redditards that there's a dozen reading and thinking without running their mouths
1246562;1440120564;mircea_popescu;phf i dun think it was lost, myself.
1246563;1440120575;mircea_popescu;at the very least it survives in the better prep classes for lawschool.
1246564;1440120592;asciilifeform;it survives (in anglo world) like panda survives. in a zoo or two.
1246565;1440120634;mircea_popescu;what has happened however was a shear (ie, kill the middle). there is no point in carnation lower class men should be engaging in this sport, that's not in any sense their place. not like a random blue collar derp can, through no matter how liberal application of port and tavern-debate, become an engineer.
1246566;1440120650;mircea_popescu;so it was sort-of abandoned for the mass.
1246567;1440120660;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> brekekex. << brekekekeke,Frounce,Frounce,Frounce
1246568;1440120683;trinque;most fragile egos can't handle being contradicted/corrected
1246569;1440120697;mircea_popescu;"On  older  terminals, the underscore code is displayed as a left arrow, called backarrow, the caret is displayed as an up-arrow and the  vertical bar has a hole in the middle."
1246570;1440120702;mircea_popescu;motherfucker... OF COURSE THE BAR HAS A HOLE
1246571;1440120925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and yes, it's locale retardation.
1246572;1440120927;mircea_popescu;another thing much in the vein of the old time pub function above was the "calificare la locul de munca", the last breath of apprenticeship.
1246573;1440120953;mircea_popescu;it died out even in soviet land cca 60s.
1246574;1440120996;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 do me a little favour and try regenerate your genesis diff with LC_ALL=C prefixed to your shell command.
1246575;1440120996;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1246576;1440121131;phf;mircea_popescu: i think the idea was imprinted on me through soviet imagery still, of a young pioneer politely and carefully observing an older pioneer performing some tricky task, soldering say. the implication was "this old person, knows better, so shut the fuck up and learn"
1246577;1440121137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: confirmed!
1246578;1440121152;mircea_popescu;phf sure, but most of the things we do today can't be thus learned.
1246579;1440121166;mircea_popescu;it's a fine way for kittens to learn to mouse, and for young pioneers to learn to solder.
1246580;1440121176;mircea_popescu;but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be.
1246581;1440121177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i prefixed LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ./foo.sh  and ended up with something quite like mod6's diff.
1246582;1440121188;mircea_popescu;how costly, how hard to fix. this is how he learned, incidentally. and it's no good.
1246583;1440121202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thanks for nailing this bitch.
1246584;1440121209;asciilifeform;my pleasure.
1246585;1440121213;*;asciilifeform washes chopping block
1246586;1440121222;mircea_popescu;diff for fucks sake.
1246587;1440121225;asciilifeform;diff.
1246588;1440121237;asciilifeform;wait till we do 'strings'. which is EXPLOITABLE
1246589;1440121238;asciilifeform;(yes)
1246590;1440121267;mircea_popescu;im not using fucking strings lol.
1246591;1440121270;asciilifeform;but: afaik rms was not directly involved with 'locales'.
1246592;1440121286;phf;that's fair, though i think the approach can still take you far, as long as you assume that there's someone with better knowledge and taste then yourself, always
1246593;1440121291;mircea_popescu;and to continue the lolz, http://levoradikal.ru/archives/757
1246594;1440121293;assbot;Образование и капитализм | Леворадикал ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8ZjbA )
1246595;1440121315;mircea_popescu;phf the approach can take you very far provided you understand it takes you absolutely nowhere.
1246596;1440121319;mircea_popescu;then and only then.
1246597;1440121337;mircea_popescu;most of reddit's problems atm consist of a "but hey, i was at the tavern, i copied the tavern master, therefore i know"
1246598;1440121340;mircea_popescu;except not.
1246599;1440121380;mircea_popescu;most of the "community" got passing grades from schools i wouldn't send my donkey to.
1246600;1440121423;*;asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for
1246601;1440121448;asciilifeform;http://osdir.com/ml/bison-patches-gnu/2011-05/msg00004.html << dafuq
1246602;1440121449;assbot;bison-patches-gnu - IF_LINT is dangerous (Was: Re: Version 2.5_rc1 gcc issues) - msg#00004 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlbRE )
1246603;1440121478;asciilifeform;https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2014-11/msg00611.html << moar pertinently
1246604;1440121479;assbot;Paul Eggert - Re: Add macros for diagnostic control, use them in locale/weightwc.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlhbX )
1246605;1440121491;asciilifeform;'More important, I looked through some of the Gnulib and GNU utilities code that deals with working around bugs in GCC's diagnostics generation, and -Wmaybe-uninitialized in particular has caused us so much grief that we typically silence it in a different way, which I should mention. We use a macro definition like this:' << holy fuq.
1246606;1440121537;asciilifeform;is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ?
1246607;1440121618;phf;hehe, i was going to make a ~joke~ with the description of how if_lint operates, turns out that's how it actually operates.
1246608;1440121652;asciilifeform;this horror went past the point of being recoverable, long, long ago.
1246609;1440121655;asciilifeform;apparently.
1246610;1440121671;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? << Seven limbed actually. You neglected several long tumors have calcified bone like structures
1246611;1440121747;asciilifeform;and before BingoBoingo says 'bsd' - i will point out that ~all~ of this crap has long metastatized to bsd
1246612;1440121769;BingoBoingo;But Plan9!!!
1246613;1440121786;asciilifeform;plan9 is not a unix. it is its own animal. but very much mired in c
1246614;1440121791;asciilifeform;and worst aspects of unix.
1246615;1440121808;*;BingoBoingo doesn't doubt that BSD in places where it lacks this particular crap instead had different, but functionally equivalent crap
1246616;1440121813;asciilifeform;(otherwise very spiffy, largely through having sat out the last 20 yrs of drepperization)
1246617;1440121857;*;asciilifeform can abide no more of this, in one sitting. off to play with pet
1246618;1440121867;BingoBoingo;Of course Plan9 is actual expansion of "GNU is not Unix" but at some point if handed C machine must sate it
1246619;1440122083;phf;plan9 by the way, uses a custom dialect of C
1246620;1440122172;BingoBoingo;Also from Outer Space
1246621;1440122235;phf;so most definitely lizard hitler affiliated
1246622;1440122281;BingoBoingo;Not necessary. Could be Avian...
1246623;1440122450;BingoBoingo;I mean you aren't one of those that thinks the reptilians are the only aliens are you?
1246624;1440122471;phf;i was going to say that it could also be part of venusian conspiracy
1246625;1440122537;phf;but while researching some line of thought, discovered that they are making a movie of pkd's Radio Free Albemuth. i was who own all those pkd rights?
1246626;1440122553;phf;*i wonder
1246627;1440122733;BingoBoingo;I have no idea
1246628;1440122934;BingoBoingo;Also, coinbase is getting desperate https://archive.is/HcCIx
1246629;1440122935;assbot;Coinbase Referral Bonuses Have Increased From $25 to $75! ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBo9FE )
1246630;1440123626;mircea_popescu;lol that consensus costs good money.
1246631;1440123670;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/gpg-wtf.txt
1246632;1440123671;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpGeT )
1246633;1440123728;mircea_popescu;Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высшего образов
1246634;1440123729;mircea_popescu;ания, по линии массового доступа ко всем культурным благам всего человечества, по линии сокращения рабочего дня за счёт всеобщей занятости и автоматизации производства.
1246635;1440123733;mircea_popescu;such fucking wins.
1246636;1440123738;mircea_popescu;see alfie, programmers!
1246637;1440123845;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i can't make out what the problem is ?
1246638;1440123866;danielpbarron;gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
1246639;1440123871;mircea_popescu;ugh
1246640;1440123885;danielpbarron;version 2 doesn't say that
1246641;1440123888;mircea_popescu;what the fuckl
1246642;1440123911;danielpbarron;i google for that text and get very limited results
1246643;1440123914;mircea_popescu;achtung asciilifeform !
1246644;1440123966;mircea_popescu;http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign << it doesn't actually dld.
1246645;1440123968;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKXnn )
1246646;1440123977;mircea_popescu;your .sign file, look at it. is it empty ?
1246647;1440124013;danielpbarron;oh i'm stupid, it's not really a detached sig
1246648;1440124017;mircea_popescu;whole thing's a joke anyway.
1246649;1440124030;danielpbarron;d'oh! it's a clearsigned list of hashes
1246650;1440124035;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3KK4002 << look at that stupid shit
1246651;1440124036;assbot;dpaste: 3KK4002 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKZfg )
1246652;1440124045;mircea_popescu;i could prolly have the girls crack that 18 bit sig by hand
1246653;1440124067;danielpbarron;ah so the warning is that it found a file with a name that would suggest it is a detached sig
1246654;1440124078;danielpbarron;interesting that newer version of gnupg omits this warning
1246655;1440124089;danielpbarron;i'm probably not alone in assuming that it was a detached sig
1246656;1440124107;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as the guy links it as "pgp signature"...
1246657;1440124111;mircea_popescu;you made no assumption.
1246658;1440124113;mircea_popescu;he stated it was.
1246659;1440124386;mircea_popescu;in vaguely uninteresting news,
1246660;1440124391;mircea_popescu;;;google Shlomo Sorin Rosen
1246661;1440124392;gribble;Shlomo Sorin Rosen - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Sorin_Rosen>; Rabinului Shlomo Sorin Rosen, cu ocazia incheierii activitatii de ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPtQjDUjXM>; Sorin Rosen | LinkedIn: <https://ca.linkedin.com/in/sorinrosen>
1246662;1440124427;mircea_popescu;35 yo ex-chief rabbi of romania, son of an orthodox woman.
1246663;1440124596;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1246664;1440124860;ben_vulpes;;;rated adlai
1246665;1440124861;gribble;You rated user adlai on Fri Oct 17 11:28:06 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.
1246666;1440124871;ben_vulpes;!rated adlai
1246667;1440124871;assbot;You rated user adlai on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.
1246668;1440124913;ben_vulpes;!rate adlai 2 highly educational
1246669;1440124913;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc7102cd8a3af8b
1246670;1440124978;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.adlai.2:310d1a69d4cd2a845906ce79b786bfb097b488935f1033c7064d48dfbf77d788
1246671;1440124978;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for adlai from 1 to 2 with note: highly educational
1246672;1440125000;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: super work on the orchestra
1246673;1440125007;ben_vulpes;i hope to have time to review within the month
1246674;1440125026;ben_vulpes;whips crack in the uranium mines, tho
1246675;1440125141;Vexual;wrist sore voopz?
1246676;1440125162;ben_vulpes;christ you have no idea
1246677;1440125226;mod6;ben_vulpes!
1246678;1440125230;gernika;BingoBoingo: "all too happy" - sorry if someone already caught this
1246679;1440125249;BingoBoingo;gernika: Where?
1246680;1440125276;gernika;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/
1246681;1440125276;assbot;Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
1246682;1440125301;gernika;doh sorry - thestringpuller
1246683;1440125335;BingoBoingo;thanks, fixed
1246684;1440125496;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> diff << omfg
1246685;1440125514;*;mod6 tries 
1246686;1440125533;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/ << nifty, thestringpuller
1246687;1440125533;assbot;Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
1246688;1440125596;mod6;another crazy thing is this BDB configure script.  i got rotor to build on i686 with TEST2.  but the crazy thing is that it seems to compile just fine when BDB has --host=x86_64-linux OR --host=i386-linux but NOT without a --host=<SOMETHING>
1246689;1440125604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00068791 = 9.218 BTC [+]
1246690;1440125625;mod6;I went spelunking through the BDB configure script.  The horror.
1246691;1440125720;mircea_popescu;it probably defaults to dec or some shit.
1246692;1440125779;BingoBoingo;Vexual: That clearly belonged in chan
1246693;1440125788;Vexual;http://www.vac-u-lock.com/catalog/144/146/Vac-U-Lock-Balls.html
1246694;1440125898;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246539 << cute
1246695;1440125898;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:37; mircea_popescu: maybe the conversation's too o'cult.
1246696;1440125922;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246551 << subject of programmers, there's a bit of ruby in a client ios build
1246697;1440125922;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 01:23:44; mircea_popescu: a programmer!
1246698;1440125925;ben_vulpes;it shells out to curl
1246699;1440125932;ben_vulpes;TO SEND YOUR GPG KEYS TO SOME RUBRO
1246700;1440125940;*;trinque shudders
1246701;1440125971;trinque;ben_vulpes: fighting back the blob-thing?
1246702;1440125997;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246600 << running under a linter?
1246703;1440125997;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 01:43:43; *: asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for
1246704;1440126019;ben_vulpes;trinque: blob from hell has me by the short and curlies
1246705;1440126034;mod6;asciilifeform: lol, that worked.
1246706;1440126037;mod6;looks great now.
1246707;1440126049;mod6;i'll post my script and my new output diff
1246708;1440126089;trinque;ben_vulpes: godspeed against the pussdemon
1246709;1440126111;ben_vulpes;vile
1246710;1440126130;ben_vulpes;it's like ironing bubbles out of wallpaper
1246711;1440126137;BingoBoingo;What the fuck
1246712;1440126150;ben_vulpes;with the eraser on tthe ass of a #2
1246713;1440126179;trinque;so this vac-u-loc thing, does it ummm... unlock?
1246714;1440126192;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: what was the deal with the gpg sig thing ?!
1246715;1440126196;*;asciilifeform catching up on log
1246716;1440126221;ben_vulpes;pebkac
1246717;1440126231;*;trinque closes the tab before the phrase "jelly dongs" destroys him
1246718;1440126301;BingoBoingo;What doesn blob from hell mean in the context above?
1246719;1440126318;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246633 << ahahahahahaha. happened! just, sideways.
1246720;1440126318;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше
1246721;1440126319;trinque;BingoBoingo: fail-katamari of open source
1246722;1440126321;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i *do* hope to get to genesis. am remiss.
1246723;1440126331;asciilifeform;holy fuck is assbot broken.
1246724;1440126345;Vexual;down from here
1246725;1440126353;asciilifeform;or possibly just my client.
1246726;1440126375;asciilifeform;(who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic)
1246727;1440126376;mod6;asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/genesis.sh && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/mod6.genesis-cmp-20150820.txt
1246728;1440126377;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlNTk8 )
1246729;1440126378;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlNRc2 )
1246730;1440126379;ben_vulpes;mess of \nums
1246731;1440126391;mod6;<+asciilifeform> (who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic) << me
1246732;1440126401;phf;asciilifeform: broke
1246733;1440126403;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1246734;1440126404;BingoBoingo;trinque: Ah, I though maybe ben_vulpes was suffering a Hamplanet attached to his pubes
1246735;1440126405;asciilifeform;mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance)
1246736;1440126426;trinque;BingoBoingo: he would never
1246737;1440126438;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244897 << i chuckled
1246738;1440126438;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 02:04:39; pete_dushenski: internet 0.5.4
1246739;1440126443;BingoBoingo;But THEY would attack him
1246740;1440126456;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: they don't dare come near
1246741;1440126468;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance) << right on.  thanks for the tip about locale.
1246742;1440126473;*;trinque imagines a charging hoarde cresting a hill, falling over, wheezing
1246743;1440126493;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244903 << staff found plaintext passwords in a new client's database
1246744;1440126493;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 02:09:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it�s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".
1246745;1440126515;ben_vulpes;and five minutes later, found the commit wherein previous slaves had "fixed tests"
1246746;1440126518;ben_vulpes;the fix?
1246747;1440126525;ben_vulpes;many octothorpes.
1246748;1440126538;ben_vulpes;approximately one for every assertion.
1246749;1440126543;ben_vulpes;at the beginning of each line.
1246750;1440126544;trinque;bwahaha
1246751;1440126675;phf;if i had a dollar for ever password in a database i've fixed. oh wait i have
1246752;1440126699;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski lady v approves of your ashley madison article title
1246753;1440126699;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1246754;1440126789;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a) << may you experience many mild unpleasantnesses
1246755;1440126868;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244973 << on another client thinger recently i saw a pull request that replaced naive iteration through the list of files as provided by the ruby fs abstraction with an iteration over a hand-curated list of files because "differences between linux and os x"
1246756;1440126868;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux
1246757;1440126880;ben_vulpes;there is no end to /the retardation/
1246758;1440127008;ben_vulpes;hai Birdman
1246759;1440127023;Birdman;hello ben_vulpes
1246760;1440127044;ben_vulpes;howya
1246761;1440127054;Birdman;im well
1246762;1440127178;ben_vulpes;any nyooz?
1246763;1440127277;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245234 << i was once busted by this lolzatron!
1246764;1440127277;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 06:02:54; punkman: http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/
1246765;1440127299;ben_vulpes;wee benkay running around nyc, drinking beers in public not giving a shit about things
1246766;1440127324;ben_vulpes;*woop woop* cab pulls a uie on 14th
1246767;1440127332;Vexual;fucking guiliani
1246768;1440127334;ben_vulpes;there i stand shocked and inebriated at this turn of events
1246769;1440127347;ben_vulpes;(inebriated, and shocked)
1246770;1440127374;ben_vulpes;charges eventually dismissed because entropy can't in2 my dumb ass
1246771;1440127410;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245248 << released yet?
1246772;1440127410;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 07:21:28; hanbot: hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK
1246773;1440127494;mircea_popescu;today i learned ass-russian mostly consists of fractions of a �.  о, м etc
1246774;1440127504;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245234 << i was once busted by this lolzatron! << Rural privilege
1246775;1440127504;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 06:02:54; punkman: http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/
1246776;1440127517;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245312 << never gets old
1246777;1440127517;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 11:15:47; jurov: !t m f.mpif
1246778;1440127537;asciilifeform;hanbot awake?
1246779;1440127547;asciilifeform;iirc hanbot also had the out-of-order thing with genesis
1246780;1440127580;asciilifeform;while folks are awake, i would like to pose the question,
1246781;1440127583;asciilifeform;of what to do with timestamps.
1246782;1440127593;ben_vulpes;recap plz?
1246783;1440127603;ben_vulpes;i humbly submit for poor log-following canings.
1246784;1440127610;ben_vulpes;but timestamp recap plz? or link?
1246785;1440127620;asciilifeform;basic choices reduce to a) let'em live and pollute diffs b) tear'em out c) copy from filesystem timestamps of originals somehow
1246786;1440127689;ben_vulpes;raaaaaa
1246787;1440127702;ben_vulpes;in output of 'diff'?
1246788;1440127750;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see mod6's link earlier.
1246789;1440127763;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: basic boojum here is that no two diffs ever diff cleanly on account of timestamps.
1246790;1440127771;asciilifeform;try it.
1246791;1440127779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the timestamps are truly meaningless here.
1246792;1440127782;mircea_popescu;code is timeless or not code.
1246793;1440127786;ben_vulpes;omit.
1246794;1440127807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are not ~entirely~ meaningless, in that they impose an ordering. BUT my antecedent hashes do that now.
1246795;1440127814;mircea_popescu;aha
1246796;1440127816;mircea_popescu;blocktime
1246797;1440127832;mircea_popescu;ironically, it is b-a that has the first and so far only actual application of "blockchain technology"
1246798;1440127869;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgm6EYzwxpg
1246799;1440127914;asciilifeform;at any rate, they can't be removed entirely because epoch0 is 'magic' to diff
1246800;1440127918;asciilifeform;(means absent file)
1246801;1440127941;asciilifeform;but all non-0 stamps could be replaced with some arbitrary.
1246802;1440127966;asciilifeform;though iirc diff will complain whenever a file on the local filesystem is being replaced with 'older'
1246803;1440127983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.000676 = 34.8816 BTC [-]
1246804;1440127988;mircea_popescu;there is that
1246805;1440128005;ben_vulpes;is it me or is that kinda dumb?
1246806;1440128007;mircea_popescu;doesn't it have a switch to supress timestamps in output ?
1246807;1440128075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not gnu diff...
1246808;1440128111;asciilifeform;funnily, i was never able to get the custom format string feature in gnu diff to work with the -uNr standard
1246809;1440128127;asciilifeform;it balks.
1246810;1440128132;asciilifeform;go, try.
1246811;1440128162;ben_vulpes;(in other news coracle at 338451)
1246812;1440128173;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that thing is on what, a sat dish?
1246813;1440128177;asciilifeform;dialup ?
1246814;1440128180;mircea_popescu;so basically diff is, much like gpg, not actually usable.
1246815;1440128185;mats;whats a coracle
1246816;1440128187;asciilifeform;dingdingding
1246817;1440128189;mircea_popescu;for a long list of reasons, some of which can be diddled
1246818;1440128189;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is a winner
1246819;1440128205;asciilifeform;mats: stone age fishing boat
1246820;1440128211;mircea_popescu;apparently nobody ever tried to use diff at all,
1246821;1440128211;asciilifeform;mats: think 'tub'
1246822;1440128219;mircea_popescu;which is a harder proposition than nobody ever used gpg.
1246823;1440128220;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aws abortion
1246824;1440128222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we might be the first to seriously diff a diff
1246825;1440128226;mats;but this context
1246826;1440128235;mircea_popescu;mats the name he gave his node
1246827;1440128275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform everyone's suggestion seems to be "hey, use perl! bash script! fuck my sister she's a slut anyway!"
1246828;1440128298;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the amusing thing is that you seem to think that *you're* the pauper hereabouts
1246829;1440128305;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wat
1246830;1440128323;ben_vulpes;with your servers and trunk conections
1246831;1440128326;ben_vulpes;connectinos
1246832;1440128351;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245575 << you may wait quite a while for that ok, boss
1246833;1440128351;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 18:23:28; mike_c: i consider it simply, the foundation says so.
1246834;1440128357;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i just have good geography. a benjie a month buys ~80Mbit here
1246835;1440128357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, would --label fix it ?
1246836;1440128372;ben_vulpes;i don't consider bitcoin production ready in any of the incarnations that i've seen
1246837;1440128376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope
1246838;1440128385;asciilifeform;doesn't affect date
1246839;1440128403;asciilifeform;also recall that not only 'diff' is retarded, but 'patch' !
1246840;1440128410;asciilifeform;they are different sides of the same medal.
1246841;1440128423;mircea_popescu;your vdiff won't be able to be a script.
1246842;1440128432;ben_vulpes;i've taken to using the -d flag with patch *always*
1246843;1440128439;asciilifeform;presently it is a 1liner that invokes classical diff
1246844;1440128442;asciilifeform;and then massages the output
1246845;1440128444;ben_vulpes;otherwise the damn thing can't figure its own arse out from my elbow
1246846;1440128450;asciilifeform;(i assume all have read it by now)
1246847;1440128486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have been deliberately dancing around the spitoon-drinking that reimplementing 'diff' and 'patch' would be.
1246848;1440128489;mircea_popescu;vdiff/vpatch.
1246849;1440128497;asciilifeform;oh vpatch is unavoidable
1246850;1440128507;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245628 << you're all very welcome
1246851;1440128507;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 19:03:57; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245343 << come to think of it, yes my browsers have also been much slower at loading the log ever since the color change
1246852;1440128510;mircea_popescu;yeah. hey, anyone looking for something to do that'd be useful and also an incredible walk on coals ?
1246853;1440128512;asciilifeform;but presently (unpublished) it is ordinary patch and an extra bit to check antecedent
1246854;1440128520;asciilifeform;in ada.
1246855;1440128525;asciilifeform;(walk on coals)
1246856;1440128545;mircea_popescu;haha not in ada, just, they'll have to publish it and we'll go "omfg you can't be this stupid, redo it" like 50 times.
1246857;1440128554;asciilifeform;idk about the lot of you, but i am not inclined to play 'underhanded c contest' for this.
1246858;1440128567;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what's 50% of the conversation in my household for the first x months of the life of a new girl anyway
1246859;1440128593;asciilifeform;betcha mircea_popescu could easily include ada in the gurlz training and no one will notice the difference
1246860;1440128603;ben_vulpes;vacation is over
1246861;1440128605;mircea_popescu;except the one whose name's ada.
1246862;1440128611;asciilifeform;l0l
1246863;1440128612;ben_vulpes;(hyu!)
1246864;1440128619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for her especially this was made.
1246865;1440128625;mircea_popescu;lol.
1246866;1440128642;mircea_popescu;btw, was it actually named for the lucky strike smoker chick ?
1246867;1440128643;asciilifeform;'this is your terminal, countess lovelace.'
1246868;1440128675;asciilifeform;https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/ay95895977ada-lovelace-engl.jpg
1246869;1440128676;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kz05ib )
1246870;1440128677;asciilifeform;^ her
1246871;1440128758;asciilifeform;babbage's gf.
1246872;1440128775;mircea_popescu;secretary!
1246873;1440128782;asciilifeform;sekretute.
1246874;1440128812;asciilifeform;(do you have those in ro?)
1246875;1440128855;mircea_popescu;no.
1246876;1440128866;mircea_popescu;it's actually what secretary means in romanian.
1246877;1440128870;asciilifeform;l0l
1246878;1440128875;*;asciilifeform can picture.
1246879;1440128969;mircea_popescu;(also let me mention here, as this may come as a suprirse to my western friends - that in romanian classical society, as well as for that matter most of eastern europe, as well as for that matter all of europe in an earlier, simpler time - it was the height of poor taste for a woman to refuse sexual congress, and a pointed declaration of personal infirmity. sort-of like saying you can't read without your glasses
1246880;1440128983;mircea_popescu;as such it was both uncommon and undiscussed.)
1246881;1440129006;asciilifeform;but this came with the #include of cocks of low rank not daring to ask
1246882;1440129025;mircea_popescu;mostly, yes. more effectually, it came with the #include that you'll be a father to her kids.
1246883;1440129034;asciilifeform;doesn't work terribly well without both #include
1246884;1440129045;mircea_popescu;well at the time being a father was moreover pleasant.
1246885;1440129050;mircea_popescu;also #included.
1246886;1440129054;asciilifeform;aha.
1246887;1440129169;mircea_popescu;also, this was mostly before syphilis.
1246888;1440129178;asciilifeform;this also.
1246889;1440129181;mircea_popescu;which - another thing very little known. that importation was the bane of europe.
1246890;1440129187;asciilifeform;pretty well-known!
1246891;1440129190;asciilifeform;what is this
1246892;1440129192;mircea_popescu;i don't think any disaster hence has had such a chilling impact on society.
1246893;1440129195;mircea_popescu;orly ? ask around.
1246894;1440129225;asciilifeform;c'mon, fucking beethoven, even
1246895;1440129231;mircea_popescu;ask.around.
1246896;1440129234;*;asciilifeform shudders
1246897;1440129254;asciilifeform;the last time i 'asked around', i discovered folks who didn't know who won ww2.
1246898;1440129266;mircea_popescu;then do not protest my rarities!
1246899;1440129267;*;asciilifeform bbl, eating food
1246900;1440129522;mircea_popescu;fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cassation. and was sea
1246901;1440129522;mircea_popescu;ted.
1246902;1440129526;mircea_popescu;1940, romania, etc.
1246903;1440129874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00066937 = 17.5375 BTC [-] {2} 
1246904;1440130282;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrijf/in_no_less_than_six_years_of_block_size_increases/cuab4mk
1246905;1440130283;assbot;jackbootedstatist comments on In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hPiYXx )
1246906;1440130299;BingoBoingo;"Wow, is that mind bent. It's like r/iamverysmart crossed with extreme ancap libertarianism, with a dash of cultist "one true bitcoin", and possibly some blockstream fed small block euphoria. It's purified crazy."
1246907;1440130337;BingoBoingo;Also... apparently there is a smart shaming subreddit
1246908;1440130355;mircea_popescu;all this "blockstream" stuff is so lulzy. random derpy outfit with enough money to cover 18 months' worth of modest burn rate.
1246909;1440130393;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, does that mean idiots trying to make smart people feel bad about being smart ?!
1246910;1440130404;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1246911;1440130456;BingoBoingo;"Use smaller words" "I can't read that" "Write for roach comprehension"
1246912;1440130462;mircea_popescu;in other news... the reddit is mainstream bitcoin now ? in what alt-world ?
1246913;1440130561;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/J6Rhw somewhat lulzy.
1246914;1440130565;assbot;overview for BLUEMEANIE4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hPjiW0 )
1246915;1440130663;mircea_popescu;;;ud Potemkin
1246916;1440130665;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potemkin | Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ...
1246917;1440130671;mircea_popescu;oh i c.
1246918;1440130702;mircea_popescu;i had nfi what the anglos are trying to say by "potemkin", which is a common enough name, among people with an actual culture.
1246919;1440130747;mircea_popescu;i kept thinking salce's "corazzata potemkin" and it just didn't make any sense.
1246920;1440130769;mircea_popescu;( www.youtube.com/watch?v=grJNVDs2_70 as clifnotes)
1246921;1440130827;BingoBoingo;Ah
1246922;1440130984;asciilifeform;maxim of the day: only visit anthill with a magnifying glass in your pocket.
1246923;1440131003;mircea_popescu;it's funny what of the outside world makes it in.
1246924;1440131005;asciilifeform;otherwise, just frustrating.
1246925;1440131019;mircea_popescu;how did they hear of crimean potemkin but not of the great red ship ? who knows.
1246926;1440131034;*;asciilifeform was mega-cultureshocked when asked colleagues about ants and magnifying glass and no one knew of this
1246927;1440131069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in maryland they burn the ants with empathy, no need for technology.
1246928;1440131082;asciilifeform;nah it's closer to 'what's an ant'
1246929;1440131088;mircea_popescu;see ?
1246930;1440131093;mats;maybe i had a shit magnifying glass but i never got it to work
1246931;1440131104;mircea_popescu;mats nobody had shittier glass than russian kids.
1246932;1440131105;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> how did they hear of crimean potemkin but not of the great red ship ? who knows. << Cold War culture. Those ruskies love playing pretend...
1246933;1440131112;asciilifeform;mats: gotta be around the size of your palm, to work reliably
1246934;1440131116;mircea_popescu;just need a stable hand to keep it colimated.
1246935;1440131120;asciilifeform;and this.
1246936;1440131123;asciilifeform;most importantly.
1246937;1440131129;asciilifeform;~pop~
1246938;1440131137;mircea_popescu;by far. as even one inch off... you lose 97% or so of power
1246939;1440131142;asciilifeform;aha.
1246940;1440131147;asciilifeform;good tutorial in 1/d^2
1246941;1440131152;mats;ic
1246942;1440131153;mircea_popescu;yes.
1246943;1440131164;mircea_popescu;best way for kids to understand what nonlinear means
1246944;1440131196;asciilifeform;can give kid (chemically untreated - go, find, in usa) wooden plank, in lieu of ants, if the latter cannot be had
1246945;1440131214;mircea_popescu;i think only works on dry pine.
1246946;1440131222;mircea_popescu;maybe birch bark shavings
1246947;1440131225;asciilifeform;gotta be dry and sans the 'fire-resisting' crud
1246948;1440131248;mircea_popescu;actually needs the fire-enabling resin.
1246949;1440131253;mircea_popescu;i dun think plain wood catches.
1246950;1440131269;asciilifeform;typically don't want 'catch' but to turn black/brown in nice gradations
1246951;1440131271;asciilifeform;to draw on.
1246952;1440131295;mircea_popescu;you know we had a special soldering iron for doing that, at school ?
1246953;1440131300;asciilifeform;same
1246954;1440131306;asciilifeform;but i had, brother's, at home
1246955;1440131370;asciilifeform;http://www.fresher.ru/manager_content/images2/chto-prosili-u-deda-moroza-shkolniki-80-x-godov/6.jpg
1246956;1440131370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIV0XN )
1246957;1440131372;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the crimean event was pre-ww2.
1246958;1440131383;mircea_popescu;but i guess still works discoursively sure.
1246959;1440131390;asciilifeform;(not quite same device, but similar)
1246960;1440131406;mircea_popescu;omfg so 1970
1246961;1440131423;asciilifeform;mega-70s.
1246962;1440131425;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah mythology. Stalin was an evolution of Peter's empty facades and clumsy imitation of the west.
1246963;1440131436;BingoBoingo;So says 'Murican narrative
1246964;1440131495;asciilifeform;http://embroidery-digitizing.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/burning-device.jpg << also popular
1246965;1440131497;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIVbCp )
1246966;1440131560;asciilifeform;my mother (was a dermatologist) had one of these ^ modified as a radiothermal cauterizer
1246967;1440131605;asciilifeform;(apparatus where a small tesla coil craps out high-freq current which burns out, e.g., a mole; what closes the circuit? ~you~, as an antenna!)
1246968;1440131636;BingoBoingo;Very common.
1246969;1440131642;asciilifeform;not mega-surprise, proper medical gear was scarce.
1246970;1440131728;asciilifeform;http://savepic.net/3474247.htm
1246971;1440131728;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIVq0h )
1246972;1440131729;asciilifeform;l0l!!!!
1246973;1440131738;asciilifeform;^ 'toy. for children 8-16 years.'
1246974;1440131756;asciilifeform;just picture trying this in usa!!
1246975;1440131765;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> not mega-surprise, proper medical gear was scarce. << Still rather state of the art.
1246976;1440131785;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the basic concept was introduced in early '40s and not changed since.
1246977;1440131805;asciilifeform;as in, while tesla still lived.
1246978;1440131854;BingoBoingo;of course, how could it be invented otherwise
1246979;1440131855;asciilifeform;it is lulzy to show this gadget to students/n00bz with a piece of metal uncontacted by any ground on the other side, and nice tall spark
1246980;1440131863;asciilifeform;and ask 'what closes circuit' ?
1246981;1440132668;mircea_popescu;it's lulzier to propose to people that "lightning could never strike aeroplane - what's to close the circuit ?!?!?!"
1246982;1440132670;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStwADQFy9I
1246983;1440132671;assbot;Bomb Hunters Afghanistan   National Geographic Documentary - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7R2Yz )
1246984;1440132683;mats;95% of sappers i ever talked to performed missions just like this
1246985;1440132689;mats;their entire deployment
1246986;1440132692;mircea_popescu;mats "get us some food" ?
1246987;1440132731;mats;lots became firefighters after, to chase the thrill
1246988;1440132964;mircea_popescu;"Maid of Athens, ere we part, give, oh, give back my heart! Or, since that has left my breast... keep it now, and take the rest! Hear my vow before I go, ζωή μου, σᾶς ἀγαπῶ."
1246989;1440132985;mircea_popescu;now that's what i call genius. that thing actually fucking rhymes, agapou / go are exactly homophonic.
1246990;1440133049;BingoBoingo;<mats> lots became firefighters after, to chase the thrill << The one part of the Nordic system that works always. Once people get hooked on the thrill you don't have to pay them in anything other than opportunity to continue.
1246991;1440133086;mats;welp, the way building codes makes shit safer, you just end up jerking off in the firehouse or starting a business on the job
1246992;1440133113;mircea_popescu;or getting shot by some ghetto monkey.
1246993;1440133114;mats;if i wasn't so broke i'd probably make a go at it
1246994;1440133528;*;BingoBoingo has moderated his future vehicle plans. Instead of firetruck contemplating pickup truck.
1246995;1440133815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246988 >> i was taught that english call this item 'macaronic poem.'  in my mind, the iconic instance is pelevin's 'my sister, do you still recall как Ельцин бился мордой в пол ?'
1246996;1440133815;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 04:56:04; mircea_popescu: "Maid of Athens, ere we part, give, oh, give back my heart! Or, since that has left my breast... keep it now, and take the rest! Hear my vow before I go, ζωή μου, σᾶς ἀγαπῶ."
1246997;1440133875;mircea_popescu;nonsense, "macaronic" my foot. it's above language not below it.
1246998;1440133890;asciilifeform;complain to them, not me, l0l
1246999;1440133892;mircea_popescu;but hey, the nationalistic ambitions of victoria, regina horsefucker.
1247000;1440133944;mircea_popescu;is the "face down fight" a sort of fucking ?
1247001;1440133965;asciilifeform;nah it's him hammering the ground with his face (falling down drunk)
1247002;1440133983;mircea_popescu;lol
1247003;1440134695;mircea_popescu;btw, i have been wondering since the stuff started : how is it that tatar-bunar's never mentioned re the ukrainian situation ?
1247004;1440134722;mircea_popescu;the very approximative knowledge in humanities of the english speaking folk, at both astroturf and crackpot/armchair general level never ceases to amaze me.
1247005;1440134749;mircea_popescu;they've heard of one potemkin but not another, they know of this but not that, they're familiar with queens but don't think the brooklyn bridge exists, stuff like that.
1247006;1440134755;mircea_popescu;wtf am i to make of all this!
1247007;1440134781;BingoBoingo;It's broken
1247008;1440135081;mircea_popescu;for that matter, "Требование увода советских войск из Грузии и организации референдума "под контролем смешанных комиссий из социалистов и коммунистов" представляет собой одну из самых низкопробных империалистских ловушек под демократи
1247009;1440135081;mircea_popescu;ческим флагом национального самоопределения." approximately translates to "fuck you nuland".
1247010;1440135127;mircea_popescu;basically, nobody knows anything anymore.
1247011;1440136248;mircea_popescu;http://www.ziartricolorul.ro/fostul-ministru-de-externe-adrian-severin-da-lovitura-de-gratie-amestecului-brutal-al-yankeilor-in-justitia-romana/ << obscure romanian fringe thing, printing the letter an obscure romanian twerp (caught in corruption probe, kicked out of eu parliament, as the last phase of his public decay - only ended up in the eu parliament because at the time that's where romania sent all its bankrupt n
1247012;1440136249;assbot;Fostul ministru de Externe Adrian Severin dă lovitura de graţie amestecului brutal al yankeilor în Justiţia Română | | Ziar Tricolorul ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJ0Vfv )
1247013;1440136249;mircea_popescu;ames to die out).
1247014;1440136289;mircea_popescu;this thing is only notable because the guy is exactly correct in what he says. but he's easily the least frequentable name in romanian politics, short of actual mental cases. and this not in a good way - he truly is reprehensible.
1247015;1440136312;mircea_popescu;how this shit works, where truth only ends up spoken by the thoroughly disgraced, is my favourite mystery of nature.
1247016;1440136344;mircea_popescu;for as long as there's even the faintest hope of maybe one day scamming someone, every last human being is 100% jwz.
1247017;1440136356;mircea_popescu;once that absolute last hope is lost, suddenly they're all saints somehow. da fuck.
1247018;1440136389;mircea_popescu;;;google freedom's just another name for nothing left to lose
1247019;1440136389;gribble;Janis Joplin - Me and Bobby McG - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHRg_iSWzM>; Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose - Genius: <http://genius.com/1028439/Janis-joplin-me-and-bobby-mcgee/Freedoms-just-another-word-for-nothing-left-to-lose>; Kris Kristofferson – Me and Bobby McGee Lyrics | Genius: <http://genius.com/Kris-kristofferson-me-and-bobby- (1 more message)
1247020;1440136390;mircea_popescu;it must be.
1247021;1440137592;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1247022;1440138273;Vexual;wb
1247023;1440138428;BingoBoingo;ty
1247024;1440138445;Vexual;nty
1247025;1440138672;BingoBoingo;Oh how the bezzle changes http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/dermatologist-agrees-to-sales-tax-deal-with-frontenac/article_cb22f6bc-fe3e-5c12-b65f-1ef832f09590.html
1247026;1440138674;assbot;Dermatologist agrees to sales tax deal with Frontenac : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7UNNT )
1247027;1440138675;Vexual;#couthasfuck
1247028;1440138699;BingoBoingo;"This city is highly dependent on sales tax, and where a business will be operating under a conditional use permit due to parking and traffic considerations, we feel it reasonable that it pays a PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes)," City Administrator Bob Shelton said. "The medical service fees are not taxable but when the practices sell items, sales tax is involved."
1247029;1440138779;BingoBoingo;;;later tell asciilifeform How do you handle an overloaded dosimeter? I've just kind of been ignoring it but the burns and nausea are piling up.
1247030;1440138780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15366 @ 0.00067044 = 10.302 BTC [+]
1247031;1440138780;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1247032;1440138810;Vexual;fluffypony: http://41.media.tumblr.com/a2d1999874e0e8a8b252d8693ef7978c/tumblr_ngcdjuFHLv1s0vorfo1_r3_540.png
1247033;1440138834;fluffypony;lol
1247034;1440138930;Vexual;you got niggaz on comix.qntra?
1247035;1440138975;BingoBoingo;I never new we had a state pie nao http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/illinois-hit-with-downgrades-as-springfield-goes-more-than-days/article_7d32af00-eefb-5234-a698-aaf799ffd8e7.html
1247036;1440138977;assbot;Illinois hit with downgrades as Springfield goes more than 50 days without a budget : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7UZww )
1247037;1440139017;Vexual;0.2 day without a riot
1247038;1440139050;Vexual;getting to be a bit of a commonality
1247039;1440139075;joecool;what's the ideal bitcoind version to run nodes with nowadays?
1247040;1440139090;Vexual;anything, just wear a condom
1247041;1440139118;Vexual;or syphillis
1247042;1440139187;BingoBoingo;<joecool> what's the ideal bitcoind version to run nodes with nowadays? << Either 'stator' with protocol ticked to 99999 or anything with a lulzy version string
1247043;1440139197;Vexual;alf mod6 voopz have a version named after cool shit
1247044;1440139229;Vexual;you can even make em report aas u like
1247045;1440139256;Vexual;retort?
1247046;1440139385;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65RkFL_yGpo
1247047;1440139468;joecool;!up Vexual
1247048;1440139512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11109 @ 0.00066925 = 7.4347 BTC [-] {3} 
1247049;1440139566;danielpbarron;!s rotor
1247050;1440139567;assbot;176 results for 'rotor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotor
1247051;1440139571;danielpbarron;joecool, ^
1247052;1440139617;joecool;i'm reading already, i remember this announcement in july http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/
1247053;1440139618;assbot;Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtwUjM )
1247054;1440139772;mircea_popescu;joecool iirc it was 0.5.4 or whatever you feel like
1247055;1440140276;Vexual;don't fuck with satoshi engineering
1247056;1440140312;Vexual;even accidentals were indicental
1247057;1440140447;BingoBoingo;joecool: With the anticipated spam attacks ideally you will want to bolt the Ophanage amputation and thermonuke modifications to whatever you choose. Also make sure you fix the BDB locks problem in your chose codebase. Anything post 0.3.21 and pre 0.8 should be fine. If you don't have particular things you fuss over 0.5.4'stator/rotor' is probably as close to idea as you will come
1247058;1440140476;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3S0s
1247059;1440140531;joecool;BingoBoingo: if i have fetched blockchain with a newer version will i need to refetch?
1247060;1440140541;joecool;or is reindex sufficient
1247061;1440140588;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g <same shit.. better
1247062;1440140672;Vexual;joecool, the answer presents itself
1247063;1440140708;mircea_popescu;how newer ?
1247064;1440140714;BingoBoingo;joecool: If your blockchain is later than 0.7-ish you will need to refetch
1247065;1440140731;BingoBoingo;0.8 introduced the leveldb bullshit
1247066;1440140792;joecool;damn, oh well no matter
1247067;1440140806;Vexual;fatchoverlan ifuliek
1247068;1440140848;BingoBoingo;It's not that big of a deal. Mostly CPU bound anyways so if it is slow you can blame you own machine.
1247069;1440140970;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/rotor_quest.txt
1247070;1440140971;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9kLgL )
1247071;1440141070;BingoBoingo;brb, time travel
1247072;1440141090;Vexual;tdc
1247073;1440141769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.0006879 = 14.0332 BTC [+] {3} 
1247074;1440143721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36222 @ 0.00067328 = 24.3875 BTC [-] {2} 
1247075;1440144290;trinque;danielpbarron: that appears to be in need of my patch
1247076;1440144698;cazalla;!up hk61ocL6zIE
1247077;1440144703;cazalla;hk61ocL6zIE, nah not tonight mate
1247078;1440144758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00068571 = 22.1484 BTC [+] {2} 
1247079;1440144784;Vexual;whats for dinner you big cunt?
1247080;1440144802;Vexual;half a sidde of beef?
1247081;1440144868;cazalla;just a porterhouse and some veg
1247082;1440144879;Vexual;you dont fuck about me friend
1247083;1440144907;Vexual;choice cut and or rabbits
1247084;1440144940;Vexual;crankin the barbie i guess?
1247085;1440145013;cazalla;nah, just pan fry for quick meal once kid is in bed
1247086;1440145025;Vexual;noice
1247087;1440145082;Vexual;no time to shoot a rabbit
1247088;1440145147;Vexual;heres one i prepared earlier
1247089;1440145277;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-XO8LYkgl8
1247090;1440145429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00066925 = 6.4917 BTC [-] {2} 
1247091;1440145490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22478 @ 0.00068791 = 15.4628 BTC [+] {2} 
1247092;1440145521;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCCvimZ6mfg
1247093;1440145599;Vexual;phf: some dick owns the rights
1247094;1440145619;Vexual;plural
1247095;1440145677;Vexual;hows the ratraces cazalla?
1247096;1440145777;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fMtnJGOf-U
1247097;1440145826;Vexual;ill bet theres a blackfella on the books
1247098;1440145867;Vexual;tell me im wrong
1247099;1440145913;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246926 I can't even remember all the things I tried to burn with magn. glass
1247100;1440145913;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 04:23:54; *: asciilifeform was mega-cultureshocked when asked colleagues about ants and magnifying glass and no one knew of this
1247101;1440145916;Vexual;cunts cog it
1247102;1440145949;Vexual;hippies burn bongs  with a lens here
1247103;1440145982;Vexual;palm width machine as someone said
1247104;1440146034;punkman;Vexual: are they too poor for butane?
1247105;1440146052;Vexual;too rich, prefer incidental sun
1247106;1440146212;Vexual;pinch your lighter in the nightime like a fucking bum
1247107;1440146234;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246989 << it does rhyme, but only if you pronounce go as "goh"
1247108;1440146234;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 04:56:25; mircea_popescu: now that's what i call genius. that thing actually fucking rhymes, agapou / go are exactly homophonic.
1247109;1440146294;*;mircea_popescu disagrees with punkman over how greek's supposed to be said.
1247110;1440146309;Vexual;i quit
1247111;1440146432;mircea_popescu;go is /gəʊ/. ἀγαπῶ is /ʌgʌpəʊ/.
1247112;1440146433;Vexual;86 billion pay it back with your shit pit
1247113;1440146477;mircea_popescu;IPA notation's not even exact enough to capture how close the two final vowels ACTUALLY are.
1247114;1440146611;punkman;well I dunno if it that was the case 500 years ago, certainly not today
1247115;1440146696;mircea_popescu;do ἀγαπῶ and "ἀγαπο" sound different, today ?
1247116;1440146789;punkman;I'm bad at the whole making sounds thing, but I suppose ω would be slightly longer than ο
1247117;1440146806;mircea_popescu;i guess it simplified huh.
1247118;1440146827;punkman;simplified a lot
1247119;1440146833;mircea_popescu;ῶ is obviously supposed to be... long omicron.
1247120;1440146840;mircea_popescu;omega*
1247121;1440146908;mircea_popescu;("sweeter omega", realy, in the words of my very old classics teacher, but that'd be a term of art)
1247122;1440147200;punkman;Ancient greek class, at least as I remember it, never focused on the sounds. It was more "here's 150 grammar rules to memorize"
1247123;1440147227;mircea_popescu;i... skipped that part :D
1247124;1440147257;punkman;I gotta say though, reading text peppered with 5 diacritics per word, makes my eyes hurt
1247125;1440147330;mircea_popescu;you ever seen early romanian ?
1247126;1440147361;punkman;is it even worse? :P
1247127;1440147596;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/#selection-45.0-47.21
1247128;1440147597;assbot;Grafia istorica a limbii romane on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ppy4xs )
1247129;1440148540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00068791 = 10.6282 BTC [+]
1247130;1440150797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0006722 = 16.6706 BTC [-]
1247131;1440151045;punkman;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SA3BaNl_--/1392562351668837008.png
1247132;1440151046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIVNxU )
1247133;1440151109;mircea_popescu;gross profit = total income now !?
1247134;1440151112;mircea_popescu;what the fucking omf.
1247135;1440151168;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 50mn extraordinary on 80mn justified expense bwahahaha o god.
1247136;1440151171;mircea_popescu;are they in jail yet ?
1247137;1440151193;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/UK6wrHU.jpg
1247138;1440151194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIW5oC )
1247139;1440151213;punkman;and snapchat balance sheet http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7I5hFUuB--/1392562351693364368.png
1247140;1440151216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIWask )
1247141;1440151324;punkman;"Snapchat’s ad rates have declined rapidly. This month the company  announced it would start to charge $20 per 1,000 views, a fraction of  its earlier price, agencies say."
1247142;1440151331;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Secretary_Kerry_Meets_With_Ukrainian_Opposition_Leaders_in_Munich_(12253362394).jpg << dude check them out, they met in a tourist furnished studio thing.
1247143;1440151332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmXsTz )
1247144;1440151334;punkman;$20cpm, a fraction!!
1247145;1440151337;mircea_popescu;just how broke IS the us these days ?
1247146;1440151352;mircea_popescu;i don't think i sat that close to people since being about five.
1247147;1440151467;scoopbot_revived;I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. http://trilema.com/2015/i-killed-one-im-publishing-another-who-the-hell-knows-whats-going-on-anymore/
1247148;1440151563;mircea_popescu;and the mcdonalds happy meal diet clearly isn't agreeing with nuland.
1247149;1440151697;mircea_popescu;wait. tidd ?! da fuck is tidd doing there. and donfried roflmao. omfg this is the elephant funeral already.
1247150;1440151724;mircea_popescu;best keks pic of today.
1247151;1440151840;mircea_popescu;punkman 20 cpm is outrageous anyway. they could get maybe 3.5 or something.
1247152;1440152753;punkman;http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/5aa031e05482099726ddf4859a9ee8b3e22a1683/0_141_1988_1192/master/1988.jpg?w=1920&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=5ff30a1fc2a23e14cbe8de8d9b6b4f86
1247153;1440152754;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIYT5a )
1247154;1440152833;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM5xPf_UEAAnfex.jpg
1247155;1440152834;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIZ0NX )
1247156;1440152880;kakobrekla;O_o
1247157;1440152950;punkman;http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/meet-deez-nuts-the-teen-presidential-candidate-punking-america-20150819
1247158;1440152952;assbot;Meet 'Deez Nuts,' the Teen Presidential Candidate Punking America | Rolling Stone ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIZfZv )
1247159;1440153115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60394 @ 0.00068791 = 41.5456 BTC [+] {2} 
1247160;1440153369;punkman;for dirigible aficionados http://news.usni.org/2015/08/19/exploring-the-wreck-of-uss-macon-the-navys-last-flying-aircraft-carrier
1247161;1440153370;assbot;Exploring the Wreck of USS Macon, The Navy's Last Flying Aircraft Carrier - USNI News ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIZDqW )
1247162;1440153395;mircea_popescu;trump actually leading clinton dear god.
1247163;1440153427;punkman;nobody wants the job eh
1247164;1440153458;mircea_popescu;i think the woman is deeply insulted.
1247165;1440153930;shinohai;https://redd.it/3hqo2d
1247166;1440154084;shinohai;^ this guy
1247167;1440154228;punkman;"Creator of The Ideal Reserve with about a decade of experience in  applied economics, over a decade of experience in finance, and over two  decades of experience in technology."
1247168;1440154233;punkman;https://www.idealreserve.info/
1247169;1440154235;assbot;The Ideal Reserve - a decentralized, instantaneous, price stable, cryptocurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZobAQ )
1247170;1440154274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14662 @ 0.00068974 = 10.113 BTC [+]
1247171;1440154439;kakobrekla;and nine years bitcoin expertience
1247172;1440154450;shinohai;r/buttcoin laghed at him a few eeks back
1247173;1440154457;shinohai;it was epic
1247174;1440154472;mircea_popescu;cumulated experience ?
1247175;1440154491;shinohai;emphasis on "cum"
1247176;1440154593;punkman;"By downloading and/or executing the Ideal Reserve Clearinghouse application, you agree to the following terms:  You will not attempt to reverse engineer the Ideal Reserve Clearinghouse application."
1247177;1440154674;shinohai;whatever
1247178;1440154680;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246723 < assboti is a chukcha and it knows it.
1247179;1440154680;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 03:05:31; asciilifeform: holy fuck is assbot broken.
1247180;1440154692;mircea_popescu;whatnow ?!
1247181;1440154701;punkman;lol
1247182;1440154716;mircea_popescu;punkman by reading this you agree not to agree with the ideal herp derp whateverthefuck.
1247183;1440154732;shinohai;!b 2
1247184;1440154732;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Y1CSXG.txt )
1247185;1440154775;fluffypony;lol
1247186;1440154842;fluffypony;by continuing to read this sentence you acknowledge and agree to the aforementioned terms, if you do not agree with them you should have stopped reading like 3 sentences back
1247187;1440154866;mircea_popescu;by blinking you agree milk is better than soy sauce.
1247188;1440154893;shinohai;isn't this the same genius that tried to sell bible coin or some shit by issuing fake shares?
1247189;1440154893;kakobrekla;thats pretty much the standard
1247190;1440154949;kakobrekla;shitload of pages has this in their tos ... ' if you came here, you agree with all what we say below: you are a dick. '
1247191;1440155134;yang;kakobrekla: hi
1247192;1440155672;kakobrekla;heya sup
1247193;1440155773;yang;kakobrekla: nothing special
1247194;1440155882;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246340 <<< jesus christ, put the poor bastard out of his misery instead
1247195;1440155882;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 00:08:02; ag3nt_zer0: seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZQf0p73QM
1247196;1440155921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00068426 = 5.7136 BTC [-] {2} 
1247197;1440155922;shinohai;Euthanasia, it's whats for dinner.
1247198;1440155939;fluffypony;shinohai: why would we want to eat the youth in Asia?
1247199;1440155948;shinohai;>.>
1247200;1440155963;*;fluffypony giggles
1247201;1440156049;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrum5/degenerate_gambler_mircea_popescu_muses_about_how/cuagfoj << in an improbable twist of win, /r/buttcoin moves from proitesting bitcoin because "unlike fiat currency IT IS NOT BASED ON ACTUAL VALUE" to protesting eulora. because...
1247202;1440156050;assbot;Mycelium_Running comments on Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmBegE )
1247203;1440156062;mircea_popescu;unlike REAL activity it is not based on... ACTUAL VALUE!!11
1247204;1440156621;mircea_popescu;but enough laughs for today. tomorrow is another lolday!
1247205;1440157568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23309 @ 0.00070019 = 16.3207 BTC [+] {2} 
1247206;1440158605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0006931 = 15.1789 BTC [-]
1247207;1440161106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00069166 = 14.8707 BTC [-]
1247208;1440161282;mats;https://archive.is/jnLGB
1247209;1440161336;mats;>assbot chokes
1247210;1440161344;mats;http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/isis-and-american-colleges-have-in-common/1178261
1247211;1440161345;assbot;What ISIS And American College Campuses Surprisingly Have In Common ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jou8g1 )
1247212;1440161396;punkman;"The problem is staggering. According to a White House report, one in  five women (20 percent) is sexually assaulted in college. Around 5 percent of men report being sexually assaulted on campus as well."
1247213;1440161425;mats;heh
1247214;1440161475;mats;in other news, I have perfected my Japanese Curry recipe
1247215;1440161483;mats;it is dericious
1247216;1440161530;fluffypony;mats: do you serve it with flied lice?
1247217;1440161554;fluffypony;sorry that was terrible, couldn't resist :-P
1247218;1440161563;mats;no man
1247219;1440161568;punkman;mats, what's the recipe then, don't be a cooktease
1247220;1440161571;mats;what a waste of good curry
1247221;1440161789;mats;my recipe can only be shared with folks rated 5 or higher in my wot
1247222;1440161796;mats;sorry
1247223;1440162166;fluffypony;!gettrust mats
1247224;1440162167;assbot;Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=fluffypony&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/
1247225;1440162172;fluffypony;meh
1247226;1440162203;mats;https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/argentine-military-capability-almost-all-gone
1247227;1440162204;assbot;Argentine military capability almost all gone ... ( http://bit.ly/1JowUlD )
1247228;1440162252;mats;>2012 saw the training ship ARA Libertad seized in Ghana on the orders of a hedge fund seeking reparations from the Argentinian government. Shortly afterward, the corvette ARA Espora was stranded in South Africa for seventy-three days after the German company hired to repair a mechanical fault refused to carry out the work as a result of the Argentine
1247229;1440162252;mats;government’s unpaid bills.
1247230;1440162269;mats;ouch
1247231;1440162489;chetty;you know its interesting how argentina demonstrates normality ..all of the hoopla about what if 'greece' or whoevers todays whipping boy defaults ..not much, life goes on really
1247232;1440162614;mats;http://cturt.github.io/ps4.html
1247233;1440162614;assbot;PS4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Joy6VY )
1247234;1440163573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67100 @ 0.00067641 = 45.3871 BTC [-]
1247235;1440163695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00067112 = 43.5557 BTC [-] {3} 
1247236;1440164239;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246633
1247237;1440164239;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше
1247238;1440164248;kakobrekla;eh how the fuck
1247239;1440164487;*;kakobrekla just pulled up a test assnode and it doesnt have this issue
1247240;1440164821;punkman;seems to work
1247241;1440164839;kakobrekla;hm?
1247242;1440164894;punkman;I get cyrillic in both web and irc
1247243;1440164926;kakobrekla;i see garbage on irc but only on this chan, private msg and dev chan is ok
1247244;1440164936;kakobrekla;so wtf.
1247245;1440165181;kakobrekla;someone else that sees garbage on chan pls to paste the log link to assbot pvt msg and tell me what you get
1247246;1440165635;punkman;̴̳͚̬͍̫̪̙Z͉̤̺̻͢A̤͕͓̦L̘̰G͈̲͜O͖̠̳̣ͅ!̻̺̗͟
1247247;1440165643;punkman;kakobrekla: how about that one
1247248;1440165754;punkman;̡̲̱̤̰͍͖̬̹̻̹̝̣̺̙͑̄̆ͤ̀͟͝͡ü̧̉̊ͤ̄͝҉҉̱̤̫̭̬n̷̛̝̱͉̟̙͓̤̟͕̟͍̦͕̠͔̠̺ͨ̅ͫ͒̅ͬ̋ͩ͑̉̊̏̍̾͌̒ͦ́̚͘͢ͅỉ̡̨̮̙̲̫̭̼̜̬̙̺̮̱̑͑̉ͣ̈́́̈́̓́̚̚͝ͅͅc̄̒̓ͮ̅͆͑ͣ͂ͦͩͥ̐ͪ͊̃ͩͧ̆͏͍͕̹̻̣͚̠̹̳̦̭̳̲͘͝ͅo̭̣̜̹̝̘͕ͭͣ͋̂͒̂ͩ̉̓ͪ̋̿̋͊ͤ̚͜ḑ̵ͯ̆ͣ͋͢͞͏͕͙̫͙̘̦̘̭͈̜͉͚̥̲e̴̷͔̣͙̜̤̣̦̭̯̫͎̪ͯ̽̓̿̌̍̈́͂̅͛̔̓̀͢͟�
1247249;1440165785;kakobrekla;broked
1247250;1440166076;thestringpuller;;;seen jurov
1247251;1440166077;gribble;jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <jurov> i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see
1247252;1440166343;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i see garbage
1247253;1440166502;punkman;heh http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00300-014-1618-3
1247254;1440166502;assbot;Multiple occurrences of king penguin (Aptenodytes patagonicus) sexual harassment by Antarctic fur seals (Arctocephalus gazella) - Springer ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4z2QT )
1247255;1440166556;asciilifeform;'We describe three new occurrences of the sexual coercion of king penguins (Aptenodytes patagonicus) by Antarctic fur seals (Arctocephalus gazella) on sub-Antarctic Marion Island. These recurrent observations follow a common pattern where the seal chases, captures and mounts the penguin, followed by copulation attempts. These observations are similar to a previously published observation from the same island, and we suggest th
1247256;1440166556;asciilifeform;at this may be an emergent behaviour.'
1247257;1440166557;asciilifeform;l0l!
1247258;1440166587;punkman;more footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8U4mourlc8
1247259;1440166588;assbot;Antarctic fur seal sexually coerces king penguin Как тюлень любил пингвина - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4zpeq )
1247260;1440166610;punkman;kakobrekla: do you get cyrillic in that title?
1247261;1440166935;mike_c;kakobrekla: if helpful - I see cyrillic on your lines, and garbage for whatever punkman posted
1247262;1440166952;kakobrekla;:\
1247263;1440166994;kakobrekla;punkman yea
1247264;1440167263;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/lY1XOH4.png
1247265;1440167263;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4CUBy )
1247266;1440167684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20023 @ 0.00066887 = 13.3928 BTC [-] {2} 
1247267;1440167894;kakobrekla;yeah not sure if iwant that
1247268;1440168095;punkman;kakobrekla: don't be racist, equality for my unicodez
1247269;1440168103;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/bitpay-favor-merging-bip-101-bitcoin-core << >> time to stop feeding them ?
1247270;1440168104;assbot;BitPay in Favor of Merging BIP 101 Into Bitcoin Core - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4HHTx )
1247271;1440168104;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1247272;1440168115;asciilifeform;(or to start ?)
1247273;1440168139;asciilifeform;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-core-devs-in-civil-war-insist-were-not-getting-the-whole-story << mega-lulz
1247274;1440168140;assbot;Bitcoin Core Devs in ‘Civil War’ Insist We’re Not Getting The Whole Story | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4HSyf )
1247275;1440168341;asciilifeform;what a peculiar fishwrap. i read, for instance, the linked piece, http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-bitcoin-could-make-distributing-a-universal-basic-income-actually-possible -- and kept waiting for the mention of where they plan to steal it... didn't see one
1247276;1440168342;assbot;How Bitcoin Could Make Distributing a Universal Basic Income Actually Possible | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4IXGm )
1247277;1440168396;*;asciilifeform bbl
1247278;1440169839;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hu0k1/is_there_a_video_with_a_panel_discussion_about/
1247279;1440169840;assbot;Is there a video with a panel discussion about the block size BIPs, fork drama, etc.? Is there demand for one? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4R59J )
1247280;1440170177;chetty;whats with everything has to be a video? reading is a lost art?
1247281;1440170382;BingoBoingo;Not even wrong: "However, the question of whether miners and pools will support that increase in the form of XT, a fork of Bitcoin Core, remains. It currently has 13.7% of bitcoin's hashing power behind it." << https://archive.is/41s4u
1247282;1440170384;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAjGUs )
1247283;1440170551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9383 @ 0.00066444 = 6.2344 BTC [-]
1247284;1440171004;punkman;https://joac.github.io/donations/en/
1247285;1440171005;assbot;Donate! | joac ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAl6yk )
1247286;1440173703;BingoBoingo;I love finding out who reads Qntra sometimes, take this example of the editor of American Banker https://archive.is/3zJWA
1247287;1440173706;assbot;Marc Hochstein on Twitter: ""Regulating use of bitcoin at the protocol level" -- would pretty much ruin it http://t.co/hfN1QCo8NT" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaCA15 )
1247288;1440174183;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247280   <<< sadly reading is a lost art
1247289;1440174183;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 15:16:17; chetty: whats with everything has to be a video? reading is a lost art?
1247290;1440174199;shinohai;I cannot learn from videos myself
1247291;1440174674;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: didn't know that article was going to get any traction
1247292;1440175598;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247293;1440175603;ascii_field;http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9185469/ashley-madison-leak-contents-email-archive-biderman
1247294;1440175605;assbot;The second Ashley Madison leak is mostly source code | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDdqdL )
1247295;1440176474;ascii_field;https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3hr9f0/i_am_john_mcafee_ama << mega-l0l
1247296;1440176476;assbot;I am John McAfee AMA! : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIl7Jp )
1247297;1440176485;ascii_field;'There is nothing illegal that the government there is not into. The government is smart if you just go there as an American you will not be bothered. I lived in the jungles where I was the only white person, and they were on to me. They asked me for $2M, weeks later 40+ armed men stormed my house, shot my favorite dog, and held me in the sun with my hands tied. The next day the congressman came and apoligized and asked
1247298;1440176485;ascii_field;for the $2M again. I should have done that rather than tell him to get the fuck off my property.'
1247299;1440176675;chetty;a tad more blatant than the usg methods
1247300;1440176689;ascii_field;orcs.
1247301;1440176995;ascii_field;'There's going to be a shitload of stuff going down. The hacker said they were going to release. If it were me, I'd had come clean immediately to my wife. I had a TS clearance at Lockheed, and you have no idea what questions they asked. "Have you ever fucked a sheep?". When the OPM hack happened, I wrote an article where I came clean to everything.'
1247302;1440177067;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "seems to be "
1247303;1440177079;mircea_popescu;you know what, you seem to be in favour of obama, as reported by cnn.
1247304;1440177085;mircea_popescu;laissez.
1247305;1440177112;mircea_popescu;they've been in favour of preferably nobody remembering they exist until this goes away.
1247306;1440177117;ascii_field;re: which
1247307;1440177150;mircea_popescu;only got one gribble.
1247308;1440177168;ascii_field;ah that.
1247309;1440177203;*;ascii_field doesn't write these, just pulls them out of the sewer manhole
1247310;1440177208;mircea_popescu;https://medium.com/@spair/increasing-the-block-size-limit-85ff236fc516 << read the source at any rate.
1247311;1440177210;assbot;Increasing the Block Size Limit — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIrBI0 )
1247312;1440177231;mircea_popescu;guy's prolly laboured for two weeks to make that thing, which he perhaps sees as "in the best us civilisation tradition".
1247313;1440177308;mircea_popescu;anyway. "TTM" lol. srsly.
1247314;1440177351;ascii_field;'I don't have a preference (LTC/BTC/ETC). A company in Uraguay has improperly used my name....' (mcaffee)
1247315;1440177360;ascii_field;... does he pgp?
1247316;1440177369;mircea_popescu;does he spellcheck ?
1247317;1440177376;ascii_field;we already know answer to that
1247318;1440177385;mircea_popescu;to both. he pcps.
1247319;1440177451;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247320;1440177559;thestringpuller;enjoy
1247321;1440177599;thestringpuller;oops lag
1247322;1440177959;mats;he keeps talking about the proxyham wtf
1247323;1440177981;ascii_field;mats: the man smokes dope
1247324;1440177986;ascii_field;(likely - daily)
1247325;1440178130;mircea_popescu;dope would be one thing, but this guy smokes the carpeting.
1247326;1440178140;ascii_field;the linoleum
1247327;1440178205;mircea_popescu;"Late Friday, the Twitter feed for Rhino Security, the consultancy run by the project�s creator Ben Caudill, announced that Caudill�s talk was being pulled from the DefCon line-up, and that the ProxyHam project was being called off. �Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device,� the message read. �Existing #proxyham unit
1247328;1440178205;mircea_popescu;s will be disposed of and no longer be made available at [DefCon]�"
1247329;1440178260;mats;proxyham can be built by a teenager with a day of research
1247330;1440178270;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how america works.
1247331;1440178305;ascii_field;it was pretty lame, too
1247332;1440178321;ascii_field;wifi card plugged into a 900MHz (cordless telephony band in usa) modem
1247333;1440178327;ascii_field;fiddybux for the whole thing
1247334;1440178327;mats;>The old arts of spying has really disappeared, my favorite is Android, for ease-of-use. The first thing I do is root it with towelroot to remove update capabilities, then remove bloatware, then unroot it of course.
1247335;1440178332;mats;g-genius
1247336;1440178341;ascii_field;mats: the man runs winblowz. by own admission.
1247337;1440178461;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> dope would be one thing, but this guy smokes the carpeting. << likely smokes dope from a pipe carged out of a crack rock
1247338;1440178462;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes, lame. but the thinking seems to be, it's no big deal if special people have machine guns, it's a big deal if common people have slingshots.
1247339;1440178506;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the basic thread is that usg is understandably unhappy about violations of the 'diddlable sop standard'
1247340;1440178516;mircea_popescu;maybe
1247341;1440178518;ascii_field;even something so humble as switching radio bands
1247342;1440178538;ascii_field;all of sudden, $maxint snoop machine has to be rebuilt
1247343;1440178547;ascii_field;forms in triplicate...
1247344;1440178574;ascii_field;alternatively, disinfo to make idiots dig up the 900Mhz thing and use it
1247345;1440178591;ascii_field;'stand up to the establishment!'
1247346;1440178611;ascii_field;the next multicolourphone.
1247347;1440178641;ascii_field;it is even possible for both hypotheses to be true simultaneously
1247348;1440178653;ascii_field;(two separate departments of muppetronics. as in tor.)
1247349;1440178680;mircea_popescu;i have nfi who these guys are, they didn't have the modicum of a clue to make contact or anything. for all i know the whole thing's an orchestrated attempt to shore up the notion that anyone still gives a shit about the usg inside the us.
1247350;1440178690;mircea_popescu;whoever knows.
1247351;1440179188;mircea_popescu;"The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: high frequencies of rape."
1247352;1440179192;mircea_popescu;ajhahaha wut the fuck already.
1247353;1440179200;mircea_popescu;these people are an insult to humanity.
1247354;1440179243;mircea_popescu;"Survival Hunters and Gatherers Above the Arctic (SHGAA) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both walk on thin ice."
1247355;1440179323;mircea_popescu;"The Federadion of Mosquitoes, Lice and Ticks (FMLT) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both suck"
1247356;1440179326;mircea_popescu;"This Nonsensical Linguistic Construction (NLC) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both confuse referents"
1247357;1440179397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13712 @ 0.000691 = 9.475 BTC [+]
1247358;1440179574;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247359;1440179790;mircea_popescu;you know looking back... i remember a time when anglo web produced a lower proportion of articles that don't crash and burn in the first paragraph.
1247360;1440179799;mircea_popescu;i think it was even under 80% at some point this millenium.
1247361;1440179836;mircea_popescu;but at some time, back when the stupid parents of the current generation were yet illiterate, english was a pleasure to read.
1247362;1440180851;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247216 << i lolled :D
1247363;1440180851;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 12:52:10; fluffypony: mats: do you serve it with flied lice?
1247364;1440180910;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247230 << well, on the good news front, they never had any military capability to begin with
1247365;1440180910;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 13:04:29; mats: ouch
1247366;1440180925;mircea_popescu;a 2nd league hockey team could probably beat up the argentine armed forces.
1247367;1440181023;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247256 << emergent behaviour ? why, BECAUSE GLOBAL WARMING ?
1247368;1440181023;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 14:15:56; asciilifeform: at this may be an emergent behaviour.'
1247369;1440181032;mircea_popescu;reminds me of the scientist and the flea joke.
1247370;1440181033;ascii_field;ask'em
1247371;1440181078;mircea_popescu;i am asking them.
1247372;1440181110;*;mircea_popescu chuckles at the thought of some [not so ?] distant time in the future when various derps will discover that "nobody could have predicted" they had a lengthy record of shit to answer for in the logs.
1247373;1440181114;danielpbarron;btw I got stator to build with the rotor toolkit and it is currently syncing and up to 153k blocks
1247374;1440181120;mircea_popescu;wd.
1247375;1440181127;ascii_field;danielpbarron: congrats!
1247376;1440181140;danielpbarron;also, on a gentoo install created with trinque's script thingy
1247377;1440181175;mircea_popescu;this is starting to maybe coallesce huh.
1247378;1440181183;thestringpuller;dunno if the buttcoiners hate or love #b-a
1247379;1440181191;thestringpuller;hard to tell
1247380;1440181205;danielpbarron;rotor feels like a "safe space" to borrow some redditard terminology
1247381;1440181234;ascii_field;waaaht
1247382;1440181243;ascii_field;?!1
1247383;1440181255;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the motherboard article you linked says "satoshi" exactly once, ands that is to claim "and Satoshi showed with some basic calculations that hardware improvements were very likely to outpace Bitcoin growth for decades into the future."
1247384;1440181270;mircea_popescu;somehow they never heard about more recent events.
1247385;1440181274;ascii_field;naturally
1247386;1440181290;mircea_popescu;not so naturally. why is the thing still getting links i don't get it ?
1247387;1440181320;mircea_popescu;not like they have an actual perspective or anything to say
1247388;1440181348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24495 @ 0.000691 = 16.926 BTC [+]
1247389;1440181355;mircea_popescu;the only thing that matters re propaganda is whether it gets repeated. that's 100% of it.
1247390;1440181418;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247281 << yeah, because numbers can be anything. for instance by this procedure motherboard has a readership. which fallacy gets a strangely memory-holed alf toi keep linking to it as if it were a thing, somehow.
1247391;1440181418;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 15:19:42; BingoBoingo: Not even wrong: "However, the question of whether miners and pools will support that increase in the form of XT, a fork of Bitcoin Core, remains. It currently has 13.7% of bitcoin's hashing power behind it." << https://archive.is/41s4u
1247392;1440181422;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1247393;1440181472;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why patent nonsense read by fewer people than are involved in writing it keeps somehow creeping into the conversation. but this sort of masochism of the intellectual is both ridiculous and overplayed already.
1247394;1440181753;mircea_popescu;I had a TS clearance at Lockheed, and you have no idea what questions they asked. "Have you ever fucked a sheep?" << to which the only acceptable answer is, "does your mother count".
1247395;1440181866;mod6;:D
1247396;1440182459;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: was digging for traces of sanity in there
1247397;1440182478;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: but easier to get uranium from the sea.
1247398;1440182642;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i confess, began reading this crud linked from bci's www, where i looked for block guts
1247399;1440182662;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: but have, i think, eaten all that i can stomach.
1247400;1440182775;phf;i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit
1247401;1440183027;ascii_field;http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/patch.git/tree/src << what a pile of shit!
1247402;1440183028;assbot;patch.git - GNU patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDTGqy )
1247403;1440183246;trinque;danielpbarron: glad it worked out for ya
1247404;1440183269;trinque;this weekend I'm going to put together a rudimentary site for trinque.org and gather a few of the tools I've built there
1247405;1440183300;trinque;that script for example could do with an operator's manual; it's less a cake and more a kitchen
1247406;1440183589;trinque;I've changed it since to dump out a working musl system
1247407;1440183688;trinque;and I think I'll continue to just make all the decisions rather than offer options, and then describe how one might proceed from there on their own, if they so desire
1247408;1440183849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.000691 = 20.5116 BTC [+]
1247409;1440184037;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247410;1440184039;ascii_field;trinque: spiffy
1247411;1440184318;ascii_field;;;later tell mats http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-analyzing-gsm-with-airprobe-and-wireshark
1247412;1440184319;assbot;RTL-SDR Tutorial: Analyzing GSM with Airprobe/GR-GSM and Wireshark - rtl-sdr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDWV1h )
1247413;1440184319;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1247414;1440184906;trinque;http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-man-stabbing-teens-enter-pleas-adult-court/story?id=33225373 << wasn't it 4chan or the like that invented "slender man" ?
1247415;1440184907;assbot;'Slender Man' Stabbing: Not Guilty Pleas Entered for Teens - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpxy4p )
1247416;1440184933;trinque;ideas, man... they're powerful
1247417;1440184962;trinque;ah it was Something Awful
1247418;1440188424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00069469 = 11.6013 BTC [+] {3} 
1247419;1440188780;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvfLPXUHfVc
1247420;1440188781;assbot;MWRC 2011 - Fascism and Faux-pen Source - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYf38X )
1247421;1440188851;danielpbarron;mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/v0.5.4-TEST1.txt << you want I should run this one rather than the result of my rotor_quest?
1247422;1440188852;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYfeRJ )
1247423;1440189034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00070162 = 14.9094 BTC [+]
1247424;1440190032;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247400 <<< the guy who founded it (gavin mccines) got shoved out by the sjw who now operate it
1247425;1440190032;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 18:46:15; phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit
1247426;1440190217;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-21/gst-to-be-applied-to-all-products-services-sold-by-vendors/6715582 <<< yet another reason australia sucks
1247427;1440190218;assbot;GST to be applied to more products, services sold by vendors into Australia from July 1, 2017 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYjmRu )
1247428;1440190276;jurov;same as eu vat clusterfuck
1247429;1440190584;cazalla;retail is rightfully dying here, so i guess they think this will shore up the taxes they're losing from that sector.. i am more curious to find out if it'll be applied to steam games and in-game purchases
1247430;1440190624;trinque;how do we increase our national wealth?
1247431;1440190629;cazalla;"We are going to have taxation officials travel around the world visiting these companies asking them to register for GST purposes," federal Treasurer Joe Hockey said.
1247432;1440190632;trinque;by slowing down all economic activity, of course!
1247433;1440190657;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247434;1440190660;ascii_field;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: here is an experiment: change ' print $0 " " o ' in vdiff.sh to ' print $1 " " $2 " " o  '. this results in timestamp amputation. the patches work fine, except that gnupatch is no longer aware of preexisting files and will happily create the same file twice, if so run, glomming on top of itself.
1247435;1440190707;ascii_field;but the resulting vpatches work, when applied with conventional gnupatch
1247436;1440190722;ascii_field;for both from-vacuum creation of files (as in 'genesis') and the later patches.
1247437;1440190738;thestringpuller;danielpbarron has a computer named naomi
1247438;1440190740;thestringpuller;sexy
1247439;1440190762;ascii_field;also i recommend changing the last line of the script to LC_ALL=C ./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch
1247440;1440190777;ascii_field;the result of these two changes should be BITWISE IDENTICAL GENESIS FOR ALL
1247441;1440190785;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^
1247442;1440190785;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1247443;1440190854;ascii_field;if folks are happy with this result, i will re-create and sign the entire shebang tomorrow.
1247444;1440190987;hdbuck;http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/staff-editorials/13910/sox-browser-history-obstruction-justice/?fb=ss&prtnr=hackingnews
1247445;1440190989;assbot;Deleting your browser history could land you in prison ... ( http://bit.ly/1UYliK1 )
1247446;1440191048;ascii_field;'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the case. That evidence inc
1247447;1440191048;ascii_field;ludes now-deleted entries in his browser history, along with certain videos.
1247448;1440191048;ascii_field;Matanov isn’t the first person to be sentenced under such circumstances.'
1247449;1440191064;trinque;and furthermore
1247450;1440191078;trinque;"Under the law, people are required to preserve any evidence they knowingly believe could be used in future investigations, even if no such investigation has been launched."
1247451;1440191091;trinque;presumably any piece of information can be used in any imaginary investigation of the future
1247452;1440191135;trinque;so we go from the 5th amendment directly to "you must investigate yourself on behalf of the all powerful state"
1247453;1440191192;ascii_field;the one law that nobody ever cancelled is 'not caught, not thief'
1247454;1440191206;ascii_field;poor schmuck failed to destroy the evidence of destroying the evidence..
1247455;1440191229;hdbuck;question why would usg need our browzer history via our computer since they already have it all via google
1247456;1440191237;trinque;coke machine indeed.
1247457;1440191238;ascii_field;see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468
1247458;1440191238;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
1247459;1440191310;hdbuck;hello btw
1247460;1440191330;trinque;hdbuck: good afternoon
1247461;1440191340;trinque;pete_dushenski: and to you as well
1247462;1440191367;pete_dushenski; howdy!
1247463;1440191383;trinque;ascii_field: it is abundantly clear to anyone thinking that this is a runaway bureaucratic process with no clear intentions/goals/etc, just *must feed*
1247464;1440191407;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i'm migrating my blog to wordpress
1247465;1440191408;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes and how is the lovely lady v these days ? staying active i trust ?
1247466;1440191408;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1247467;1440191409;thestringpuller;i hate it
1247468;1440191424;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller worse than tmmlr ?
1247469;1440191430;ascii_field;trinque: it is in the initial stage, of cementing the precedent, via jailing an already unpopular fella
1247470;1440191440;trinque;which is why today's cock-tease of a market slump does me no good. come on baby, lets have the full rip
1247471;1440191446;thestringpuller;no better than tumblr. i just don't like making themes
1247472;1440191520;thestringpuller;i also bought thestringpuller.com
1247473;1440191535;thestringpuller;so as soon as I figure out the wp thing, i'll have a dedicated blog
1247474;1440191571;pete_dushenski;beauty
1247475;1440191588;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller who are you hosting with ?
1247476;1440191828;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: AWS
1247477;1440191844;thestringpuller;courtesy of jurov lol
1247478;1440191854;thestringpuller;well i'm paying him but still. credit where credit due.
1247479;1440191896;hanbot;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246779 << belatedly: yes
1247480;1440191896;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 03:25:47; asciilifeform: iirc hanbot also had the out-of-order thing with genesis
1247481;1440191978;ascii_field;hanbot: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245518 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246540 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247434
1247482;1440191978;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!
1247483;1440191978;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:45; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this on for size:
1247484;1440191978;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 20:57:40; ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: here is an experiment: change ' print $0 " " o ' in vdiff.sh to ' print $1 " " $2 " " o  '. this results in timestamp amputation. the patches work fine, except that gnupatch is no longer aware of preexisting files and will happily create the same file twice, if so run, glomming on top of itself.
1247485;1440192390;ascii_field;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: for extra lulz, here is a vdiff of the change, taken using the new vdiff, of vdiff.sh !  >>>>> http://dpaste.com/10CMS6H
1247486;1440192392;assbot;dpaste: 10CMS6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqAcEV )
1247487;1440192525;mod6;!up ascii_field
1247488;1440192962;mod6;I can say that your change to vdiff.sh `diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null  " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'` certainly removes the timestamps from the output hashes.
1247489;1440192968;mod6;err, output diff
1247490;1440192998;ascii_field;now, fire the diff
1247491;1440193011;ascii_field;should work as before.
1247492;1440193016;ascii_field;just be sure not to do it twice.
1247493;1440193039;mod6;and try this without LC_ALL=C ?
1247494;1440193043;ascii_field;with!!
1247495;1440193047;ascii_field;or you'll get ubuntud
1247496;1440193098;mod6;yup, ok.  and when I have my own genesis.vdiff, should compare with `diff -u` to the one you posted in your original email?  or compare with vdiff?
1247497;1440193106;ascii_field;vdiff
1247498;1440193109;mod6;ok
1247499;1440193118;ascii_field;~and~ original
1247500;1440193129;ascii_field;(which won't match because it has timestamps, but ~order~ will match)
1247501;1440193378;mod6;yup: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/mod6.genesis-cmp-20150821.txt
1247502;1440193379;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqBP5z )
1247503;1440193441;ascii_field;aha.
1247504;1440193450;ascii_field;now make an empty space and fire the diff
1247505;1440193452;mircea_popescu;thin priviledge is hanging out with friends, pointing out that i'd be more sensible to not give citizenship to children of fat people than to children of illegal immingrants, and not offending anyone.
1247506;1440193460;ascii_field;then compare result with 'chicken'
1247507;1440193542;mod6;err, so, use my newly created genesis.vdiff, apply to pulled original v0.5.3 ?
1247508;1440193555;ascii_field;nononon
1247509;1440193557;ascii_field;to EMPTY dir
1247510;1440193563;ascii_field;genesis pulls 'chicken' out of ~air~
1247511;1440193611;mircea_popescu;mod6 the entire idea is it creates it de novo
1247512;1440193634;ascii_field;^
1247513;1440193642;mod6;ah!
1247514;1440193643;*;ascii_field thought this was obvious from the recipe!
1247515;1440193656;mod6;im dumb
1247516;1440193658;mircea_popescu;stop thinking stuff is obvious!
1247517;1440193702;mircea_popescu;obvious is an offensive term and it triggers people!
1247518;1440193721;mod6;haha.
1247519;1440193722;pete_dushenski;really, if this wasn't obvious to mod6, ppl like hanbot and i have no chance
1247520;1440193725;mod6;it worked ascii_field
1247521;1440193731;ascii_field;congrats mod6 !
1247522;1440193745;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: do try the new recipe
1247523;1440193746;mod6;thanks :]
1247524;1440193764;mod6;just ran the `patch -p1 < genesis.vpatch` in an empty dir, and then volla, bitcoin source exists
1247525;1440193772;ascii_field;^ as it should.
1247526;1440193780;pete_dushenski;ascii_field as it happens, i've been doing just that.
1247527;1440193780;mircea_popescu;i kept meaning to do a statement explaining the major importance of that thing but i didn't really find my words with the deed.
1247528;1440193787;mircea_popescu;ima try to a signing statement once i put it to the ml
1247529;1440193823;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, who wants to hold my retarded hand while i do that again ? i forget, what do i do, send an email with the plaintext as body and the detached sigfile as attachment ?
1247530;1440193859;jurov;you mean to btc-dev?
1247531;1440193860;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: to use jurov's thing, you need 3 things: a clearsigned readme (1st attachment)
1247532;1440193876;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the actual patch (optional, if the message concerns a patch) - 2nd attach
1247533;1440193888;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> really, if this wasn't obvious to mod6, ppl like hanbot and i have no chance << this probably should have been obvious to me. but sometimes, hard to see the forest through all of the trees. i've been looking at the compare diff a lot lately, and forgot that /all/ is contained in the genesis.diff.
1247534;1440193889;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: third, if the second exists - a detached .sig for it
1247535;1440193908;mod6;*genesis.vdiff
1247536;1440193917;pete_dushenski;mod6 aha. so there's hope for us yet !
1247537;1440193927;mod6;ofc!
1247538;1440193943;pete_dushenski;:D
1247539;1440193946;mod6;*genesis.vpatch
1247540;1440193951;mod6;wth is wrong with me this afternoon.
1247541;1440193997;mircea_popescu;thanks.
1247542;1440194002;mod6;hanbot is testing out my i686 changes for buildroot/rotor.sh - even got a script for it.  so that's p-cool.
1247543;1440194008;mircea_popescu;and the actual email body - empty ?
1247544;1440194010;jurov;mircea_popescu: only clearsigned text is mandatory, there can be none or any number of further attachments(not necessarily only patches), each with detached attachment.name.ext.sig
1247545;1440194043;mircea_popescu;jurov cool, ima try this and bitch more if i can find a way to.
1247546;1440194044;jurov;if your email client is known not to mutilate text, put clearsigned text into the body instead of first attachemnt
1247547;1440194046;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the importance of the thing i intended, roughly, is that ~everything is either a vdiff or a sig~
1247548;1440194054;ascii_field;in 'v'
1247549;1440194054;jurov;otherwise, left body empty
1247550;1440194090;danielpbarron;i noticed today that you don't need to rename the files in order for them to verify; you can sha1sum and gpg --verify the downloaded attachments as they come, and go straight to extracting the tar afterwards
1247551;1440194113;ascii_field;both vdiffs and sigs (the former by virtue of having one or more of the latter matching) are immediately attributable to an l1 pubkey
1247552;1440194149;ascii_field;and, for the first time ever in history of versionatrons, you can take a tree of unknown constitution and determine what patch set it corresponds to (if any)
1247553;1440194150;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i'd like to remind the esteemed readership, especially those people who would like to make their non-stem degrees useful to the future of this world, that http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ is still open. a significant amout of work has already been put in, help me reward it by completing the task.
1247554;1440194151;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqCG6a )
1247555;1440194192;punkman;ascii_field: why L1? doesn't ml use L2?
1247556;1440194221;ascii_field;punkman: perhaps it does? but iirc the only contributors thus far live in l1
1247557;1440194240;jurov;yes it uses l2
1247558;1440194244;mircea_popescu;iirc it accepts l2 but no one but l1 used it yet
1247559;1440194244;ascii_field;ah
1247560;1440194252;punkman;phf is L2
1247561;1440194255;danielpbarron;PinkPosixPXE would be the exception to that l1 only theory
1247562;1440194261;mircea_popescu;aok
1247563;1440194334;*;ascii_field notices that he has been using 'vdiff' and 'vpatch' interchangeably. this is not really an error.
1247564;1440194348;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247565;1440194406;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236853 << did nobody mention Rocko's Modern Life in this thread? That was one of my favorites growing up
1247566;1440194406;assbot;Logged on 13-08-2015 05:04:30; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin.
1247567;1440194427;pete_dushenski;haha mine too!
1247568;1440194440;*;pete_dushenski hums the theme song to himself
1247569;1440194473;danielpbarron;and I "wasn't allowed" to watch ren and stimpy (had to sneak it)
1247570;1440194540;ascii_field;btw here's another thing to add to the 'gpg is mega-retarded' list: gpg sig does not contain a sig of self !!
1247571;1440194555;ascii_field;so it is quite impossible to verify that it is valid per se, without having the payload
1247572;1440194572;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron the only show i wasn't allowed to watch was wwf wrestling
1247573;1440194592;pete_dushenski;lest i try to piledrive my younger brother into the concrete sidewalk or something
1247574;1440194598;ascii_field;(i could explain why one may wish to do this, but will leave it as an exercise)
1247575;1440194627;trinque;danielpbarron: heh me too re: ren & stimpy
1247576;1440194674;trinque;ascii_field: maybe in the case where the payload was munged in regards to whitespace or the like ?
1247577;1440194676;jurov;sailor moon
1247578;1440194681;jurov;jkjk
1247579;1440194698;ascii_field;trinque: sometimes one wishes to eat the sig prior to the payload
1247580;1440194708;ascii_field;say, a public www where these can be dropped in a hopper
1247581;1440194714;punkman;ascii_field: well you can sign the detached sig if you please
1247582;1440194716;trinque;ah yep.
1247583;1440194720;ascii_field;'take any sig and then see' creates a ddos vector
1247584;1440194737;ascii_field;punkman: whereas 'sign the sig' again means that you can't take a single file at a time.
1247585;1440194738;trinque;I mean were www sane it would work precisely that way
1247586;1440194738;jurov;yes, if petabyte payload
1247587;1440194744;ascii_field;or this
1247588;1440194745;trinque;sig comes over as part of header, then body
1247589;1440194752;ascii_field;header ?!!#$$
1247590;1440194752;punkman;ascii_field: wrong
1247591;1440194762;punkman;--armor --sign
1247592;1440194788;ascii_field;punkman: didja miss all the 'clearsigning is retardedly broken' threads ?
1247593;1440194794;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, why not? you send me a GET, I first tell ya how many bytes to expect, then signature, then body?
1247594;1440194796;punkman;not clearsign, --sign
1247595;1440194908;jurov;punkman and how does that help with verifying the sig as soon as posible?
1247596;1440194922;punkman;you --sign --armor the detached sig :P
1247597;1440194951;trinque;what I mean by header is perhaps no more than: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
1247598;1440194969;trinque;just put the sig immediately following
1247599;1440194993;trinque;with maybe the hash used and byte length preceding, actually
1247600;1440195003;ascii_field;what if i don't want to hear so much as one byte if sig isn't from l1 ?
1247601;1440195008;ascii_field;(beyond the sig)
1247602;1440195016;trinque;you must at least know what hash to try, yeah?
1247603;1440195026;trinque;and then yes, perhaps the sig validates that information
1247604;1440195029;trinque;makes total sense
1247605;1440195042;trinque;I mean in the case of the hash, implicitly so
1247606;1440195064;trinque;or barring that seems like one must simply be chosen and that's that
1247607;1440195134;ascii_field;thing is, read rfc2440
1247608;1440195140;ascii_field;pgp sig doesn't carry the whole hash.
1247609;1440195158;ascii_field;only the lowest order 16 bits of it.
1247610;1440195170;ascii_field;(for fast rejection of entirely off sig)
1247611;1440195182;ascii_field;who the FUCK thought that this was sane.
1247612;1440195207;punkman;demo: this contains a signed detached sig for asciilifeform's genesis.vpatch: http://dpaste.com/18YW8WF
1247613;1440195208;assbot;dpaste: 18YW8WF ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDQhY )
1247614;1440195208;trinque;"Good" "Enough" (TM)
1247615;1440195210;ascii_field;i mean, i can maybe see a case where this is strategically necessary
1247616;1440195213;ascii_field;but as sop ?
1247617;1440195242;trinque;I think it's becoming clear that as mentioned already, none of this shit was ever used in battle.
1247618;1440195260;trinque;not even lowly diff
1247619;1440195296;ascii_field;everybody with a unix box lives & dies by 'diff'
1247620;1440195301;ascii_field;(even if he doesn't know it)
1247621;1440195315;trinque;https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3522/3239361178_66b92e397b_b.jpg << I suppose a battlefield given some artistic license, but..
1247622;1440195317;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDYhr )
1247623;1440195591;trinque;who will lose his job (or life) if diff fails to work?
1247624;1440195658;jurov;dunno if it's right question
1247625;1440195663;trinque;jurov: what would be?
1247626;1440195676;trinque;I don't see anyone on earth who owns diff
1247627;1440195680;jurov;i can imagine someone fearing their job if diff isn't locale-aware
1247628;1440195707;trinque;I was about to discuss that aspect; it's not that no one cares about diff; it's that everyone has conflicting reasons for caring
1247629;1440195712;ascii_field;trinque: can't build so much as a kernel w/out 'diff'
1247630;1440195715;trinque;and nothing focuses them coherently
1247631;1440195729;trinque;so every single piece of open source is compromized to the degree it was ever used at all
1247632;1440195736;trinque;*compromised
1247633;1440195808;mircea_popescu;jurov subject ? leave empty ?
1247634;1440195823;ascii_field;it needs a subject, if only for reference
1247635;1440195833;jurov;it is shown in archives, so yes
1247636;1440196015;mircea_popescu;ok, sent it. do i wait for it to show ?
1247637;1440196024;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000151.html << worx
1247638;1440196025;assbot;[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0DysO )
1247639;1440196035;phf;amusingly i tried looking for plan9's diff for some insight. they use a ported gnu version.
1247640;1440196036;ascii_field;(these really oughta be scoopbotted)
1247641;1440196040;mircea_popescu;win
1247642;1440196069;mircea_popescu;it's really painless, once one's clear on the process.
1247643;1440196072;*;ascii_field glad that mircea_popescu liked the concept, but noticed that he signed the old patch
1247644;1440196078;ascii_field;the one with timestamps
1247645;1440196096;mircea_popescu;mhh
1247646;1440196099;ascii_field;we'll need to do this again. starting with me, optionally
1247647;1440196102;ascii_field;can be any of you
1247648;1440196110;ascii_field;just re-create the genesis by the new recipe
1247649;1440196111;ascii_field;and sign
1247650;1440196116;ascii_field;no reason to wait for me
1247651;1440196154;mircea_popescu;yeah, mod you have teh honor.
1247652;1440196156;mircea_popescu;mod6 *
1247653;1440196179;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1247654;1440196182;ascii_field;'For the first time in the century or so of history of this particular human endeavour, text was deliberately structured with due consideration given not only to its meaning, but also to its source, and to its context. Prior attempts at structuring software, at first consisting of a naive approach focused on meaning only, over time added a half-hearted consideration of context, very unequally and rather haphazardly. The
1247655;1440196182;ascii_field;change the V-genesis introduced is exactly like the move from understanding and controlling movement in terms of mass and somewhat velocity, such as it occurs in the mind of a monkey throwing rocks, to understanding and controlling movement in terms of mass, impulse and energy, such as it occurs in the launching of satellites. The proposition that there is still room for improvement in the endless march of human thought,
1247656;1440196182;ascii_field;on this topic as on any other, is absolutely indubitable. The proposition that the sum total of what came before can be compared with this particular advance is strictly ridiculous.' << mega-summary, quoted here for logz readers
1247657;1440196367;punkman;genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << eh
1247658;1440196398;mircea_popescu;hmmm
1247659;1440196400;mircea_popescu;more mangling ?!
1247660;1440196416;mircea_popescu;the files i sent over definitely only had it once.
1247661;1440196547;ascii_field;;;later tell jurov can we PLEASE dispense with the mutilated filenames ?!
1247662;1440196547;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1247663;1440196551;mircea_popescu;ps, i'm cracking a champagne bottle.
1247664;1440196553;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> yeah, mod you have teh honor. << thanks.  I've confirmed that what I get from genesis.vpatch out of thin air is the same manifest as `bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest`.
1247665;1440196561;jurov;:/ yes i'm on it
1247666;1440196563;mod6;This make sense?
1247667;1440196573;ascii_field;congrats mod6
1247668;1440196580;pete_dushenski;hearn spills guts : "i would actually like to see less consensus in bitcoin development and more authoritarianism"
1247669;1440196581;mircea_popescu;yes it is what'd be expected mod6
1247670;1440196581;ascii_field;now post the output, sign
1247671;1440196586;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/RIafZXRDH7w?t=10m30s << reference
1247672;1440196587;assbot;CoinScrum: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqF4tF )
1247673;1440196592;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski he's more then welcome to read the logs.
1247674;1440196597;mod6;Alright, lemme fireup the ole gpg-o-matic.
1247675;1440196619;ascii_field;mod6: from here on, everyone who carries out a vdiff on the same inputs shall get the same output.
1247676;1440196622;mircea_popescu;if what he truly means is he wants to SEE it.
1247677;1440196632;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu heh. he probably does when he can't sleep at night
1247678;1440196640;ascii_field;unless we discover yet another 'locale'-like idiocy, in which case it will go on my chopping block
1247679;1440196766;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247569 <<< same deal here and same deal with astroboy, had to sneak that one yet tmnt was ok for some reason
1247680;1440196766;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 22:01:13; danielpbarron: and I "wasn't allowed" to watch ren and stimpy (had to sneak it)
1247681;1440196874;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/21/blackout/
1247682;1440196876;assbot;Blackout | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqFksx )
1247683;1440196894;cazalla;cop a flogging for having x-men trading cards but smashing windows in construction sites got a pass, i swear my old man liked to keep us walking around on egg shells
1247684;1440196898;pete_dushenski;automated scooping, what's that ?
1247685;1440197142;*;ascii_field bbl
1247686;1440198297;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247400 < yeah well, the us altogether was to some degree still cool in early 2000s.
1247687;1440198297;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 18:46:15; phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit
1247688;1440198306;mircea_popescu;water under the bridge by now
1247689;1440198321;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000152.html << here we go!
1247690;1440198322;assbot;[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqGvYY )
1247691;1440198353;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247407 << worx.
1247692;1440198353;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 19:01:28; trinque: and I think I'll continue to just make all the decisions rather than offer options, and then describe how one might proceed from there on their own, if they so desire
1247693;1440198372;mircea_popescu;To deploy this vpatch file
1247694;1440198372;mircea_popescu;from ~thin air~ do the following:
1247695;1440198372;mircea_popescu;patch -p1 < genesis.vpatch
1247696;1440198383;mircea_popescu;that sounds so great in its laaconism.
1247697;1440198498;mircea_popescu;"A Wisconsin court today entered not guilty pleas on behalf of the two teen defendants in the "Slender Man" stabbing case after their lawyers declined to do so."
1247698;1440198503;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this bullshit.
1247699;1440198515;mircea_popescu;since when the fuck do defense lawyers have agency in court.
1247700;1440198519;mircea_popescu;did the schmucks get disbarred ?
1247701;1440198567;mircea_popescu;oh never mind, my bad. they held silence in protest over jurisdiction.
1247702;1440198570;mircea_popescu;i take it back.
1247703;1440198596;mircea_popescu;fucking abcnews. the defense didn't "decline to do so". the defense DECLINED TO RECOGNISE THE COURT!
1247704;1440198704;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247431 << derp can save the gas money. S.MG is never collecting any tax for anyone, including teh republic.
1247705;1440198704;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 20:57:09; cazalla: "We are going to have taxation officials travel around the world visiting these companies asking them to register for GST purposes," federal Treasurer Joe Hockey said.
1247706;1440198882;mats;asciilifeform: neat
1247707;1440199251;mircea_popescu;lol buttcoin engaging danielpbarron over gpg etc was pretty lulzy to read.
1247708;1440199260;mircea_popescu;"Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.
1247709;1440199260;mircea_popescu;The rest of us who actually make shit happen in the front lines of consensus back on planet earth will continue to be unaffected by your efforts apart from their modest value as chuckle fuel over beers and sushi."
1247710;1440199266;mircea_popescu;apparently someone drinks beer with sushi.
1247711;1440199316;punkman;what's wrong with that
1247712;1440199322;mircea_popescu;...
1247713;1440199331;mircea_popescu;what's next, coffee and blue cheese ?
1247714;1440199376;mircea_popescu;toothpaste and lobster, why not, i would like some veal in sauce chantilly and a dollop of cream on my cigar.
1247715;1440199438;mats;brutal week for fiat markets
1247716;1440199450;mats;DJIA down ~500 points
1247717;1440199519;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/no-end-in-sight-for-oil-glut-1440113703
1247718;1440199520;assbot;No End in Sight for Oil Glut - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmWEui )
1247719;1440199554;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQi2vLlporA
1247720;1440199555;assbot;Louis de Funès - Les grandes vacances (1967) - English taste - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmWFhJ )
1247721;1440199576;mircea_popescu;mats obama's only actual initiative. fucked in the ass.
1247722;1440199860;mircea_popescu;(ps "c'est etonnant" is no good, in french. "delicious" is worse.)
1247723;1440200231;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247577 << because of the gay danger ?
1247724;1440200231;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 22:04:36; jurov: sailor moon
1247725;1440200262;jurov;phew
1247726;1440200274;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247592 << it must be made to work.
1247727;1440200274;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 22:06:28; ascii_field: punkman: didja miss all the 'clearsigning is retardedly broken' threads ?
1247728;1440200292;jurov;mostly cuz it was on rtl2 when we had tv allowed
1247729;1440200308;mircea_popescu;so ?
1247730;1440200311;mircea_popescu;oh, pronz ?
1247731;1440200314;jurov;and least derpy of them
1247732;1440200367;punkman;clearsigning mostly works. the problem is everything else the clearsigned message will pass through.
1247733;1440200386;mircea_popescu;myea
1247734;1440200639;punkman;the worst thing off the top of my head is the lack of a full fingerprint in signed message
1247735;1440200692;mircea_popescu;^
1247736;1440200729;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/3c1pry/all_of_the_nopes_there_is_no_such_thing_as_the/ dude i;m all over fucking reddit already.
1247737;1440200730;assbot;All of the Nopes: "There is no such thing as the crime of 'rape'" and that's arguably not the worst part : againstmensrights ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXd7o )
1247738;1440200740;mircea_popescu;and they all stick on the same thing, too.
1247739;1440200763;mircea_popescu;dear reddit : have more sex. seriously, it halps.
1247740;1440200862;punkman;also, if have some automated system that works with gpg messages and you aren't running one of the latest 1.* version, messages can be crafted that will DoS/hang your system
1247741;1440200942;punkman;inb4 mp's custom gpg for mpex?
1247742;1440201089;mircea_popescu;heh.
1247743;1440201102;mircea_popescu;gpg as-is is at best a duct tape solution.
1247744;1440201164;punkman;I'd say shitshow
1247745;1440201197;mircea_popescu;or that.
1247746;1440201237;punkman;"oh yeah let's be compatible to PGP 4, because that matters"
1247747;1440201307;punkman;http://multicoin.co/scm/
1247748;1440201308;assbot;Index of /scm ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXtTM )
1247749;1440201346;punkman;http://multicoin.co/scm/configs/mail.toml
1247750;1440201347;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXuHs )
1247751;1440201362;punkman;poor ahmed
1247752;1440201363;asciilifeform;l0l!!!
1247753;1440201415;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000152.html << congrats mod6 on signing the ~correct~ genesis
1247754;1440201416;assbot;[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqGvYY )
1247755;1440201416;mircea_popescu;heh
1247756;1440201450;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247726 << it's concept-broken, not implementation-broken
1247757;1440201450;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 23:37:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247592 << it must be made to work.
1247758;1440201451;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/577fe863827da014163fd6511b94adaa/tumblr_nqdekbl9Cn1rzdkezo1_1280.jpg
1247759;1440201452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXyqy )
1247760;1440201464;punkman;http://multicoin.co/scm/configs/others.toml
1247761;1440201464;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmXyH4 )
1247762;1440201469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the concept of me being able to read the singed thing with my eyes is not broken.
1247763;1440201477;mircea_popescu;or else computing's a pointless activity.
1247764;1440201481;asciilifeform;can read detach-signed document.
1247765;1440201501;*;mircea_popescu is still working through this mental mire.
1247766;1440201531;mircea_popescu;im noit yet persuaded that's good enough.
1247767;1440201567;asciilifeform;the only way to sign without imposing structure on the matter signed, is detach.
1247768;1440201616;mircea_popescu;if the signed thing is not a thing, or if the signed thing is not available fgor my eyes, no problem has in fact been solved.
1247769;1440201646;asciilifeform;i spoke of this earlier today;
1247770;1440201661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00068843 = 21.5823 BTC [-] {2} 
1247771;1440201661;asciilifeform;where a pgp signature is so retardedly structured that it cannot be verified at all without the original matter
1247772;1440201666;asciilifeform;(it lacks the complete hash!)
1247773;1440201689;asciilifeform;incidentally there is an implication of this, which ought to be obvious
1247774;1440201694;asciilifeform;and terrifying.
1247775;1440201700;mircea_popescu;deep restructuring of the pgp implementation is required anyway.
1247776;1440201705;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247703 << court did not impose peine forte et dure ?! that's how it used to work..
1247777;1440201705;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 23:09:56; mircea_popescu: fucking abcnews. the defense didn't "decline to do so". the defense DECLINED TO RECOGNISE THE COURT!
1247778;1440201722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00066787 = 31.4901 BTC [-] {2} 
1247779;1440201723;mircea_popescu;1. full rsa. 2. proper signature encapsulation. 3. sane structuring of the keys. 4. etfc.
1247780;1440201856;asciilifeform;since nobody said it...
1247781;1440201911;asciilifeform;rfc4480 sayeth, '5.2.3.  Version 4 Signature Packet Format.... [buncha crud snipped] ... Two-octet field holding the left 16 bits of the signed hash value. One or more multiprecision integers comprising the signature. ...'
1247782;1440201914;asciilifeform;obvious yet?
1247783;1440201919;asciilifeform;or do i have to draw the picture here.
1247784;1440201937;mircea_popescu;heh.
1247785;1440201945;mircea_popescu;who the fuck specs like this for crying out loud
1247786;1440201947;asciilifeform;WE'VE BEEN SIGNING 16-BIT HASHES
1247787;1440201951;mircea_popescu;"two octet"
1247788;1440201952;asciilifeform;motherfuckers.
1247789;1440201967;mircea_popescu;because why, because youyr mother had two abortions ?
1247790;1440201968;asciilifeform;in effect.
1247791;1440201981;asciilifeform;sit and think about this for a minute.
1247792;1440201986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the LEFT 16 bits ?
1247793;1440201992;mircea_popescu;omfg this whole thing is useless.
1247794;1440202009;*;asciilifeform brainmelt
1247795;1440202014;mircea_popescu;bwahahahaah
1247796;1440202018;mircea_popescu;no, see, reddit was right
1247797;1440202022;mircea_popescu;we're fucking idiots over here :D
1247798;1440202065;mircea_popescu;i guess the next top priority in making cardano which was making bitcoin which was making vdiff is now making gpg.
1247799;1440202067;asciilifeform;i will wait for one of you lot to point out where i somehow am mistaken.
1247800;1440202084;asciilifeform;but yes, you can guess how i arrived at this tidbit.
1247801;1440202088;*;mircea_popescu off to read rfc4480 for the expecterd comedic value
1247802;1440202104;asciilifeform;i've been walking around with a bound hardcopy of that thing for most of a year
1247803;1440202110;asciilifeform;slowly scribbling on it, laying out out
1247804;1440202113;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess by being spurred by my recent statement and going into a "let's verify this" mode ?
1247805;1440202114;asciilifeform;in my head, with pencil
1247806;1440202121;asciilifeform;actually coincident
1247807;1440202220;mircea_popescu;5.2.3.  Version 4 Signature Packet Format
1247808;1440202255;punkman;"The concatenation of the data being signed and the signature data    from the version number through the hashed subpacket data (inclusive)    is hashed.  The resulting hash value is what is signed.  The left 16    bits of the hash are included in the Signature packet to provide a    quick test to reject some invalid signatures."
1247809;1440202282;mircea_popescu;The concatenation of the data being signed and the signature data    from the version number through the hashed subpacket data (inclusive)    is hashed.  The resulting hash value is what is signed.  The left 16    bits of the hash are included in the Signature packet to provide a    quick test to reject some invalid signatures.
1247810;1440202282;punkman;asciilifeform: so... no, it's not THAT bad.
1247811;1440202287;mircea_popescu;it is not THAT bad
1247812;1440202289;mircea_popescu;ahaha mkay.
1247813;1440202308;mircea_popescu;it is still not how i'd do it.
1247814;1440202355;*;mircea_popescu expects to live in a world where everything is done EXACTLY as he would do it. failure of perceptible world to conform to this expectation is a crime, more serious than any other, and to be punished by destruction.
1247815;1440202388;mircea_popescu;steal, fine. suck at stealing -> go die in a fire.
1247816;1440202455;mircea_popescu;competent thieves should be convicted to jail. incompetent thieves should be broken apart with a small hammer.
1247817;1440202524;asciilifeform;punkman: think.
1247818;1440202526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think.
1247819;1440202532;mircea_popescu;yes ?
1247820;1440202537;mats;Fun fact: the first Minuteman missiles ran off a hard disk as the only available memory. Reads/writes/jumps had to be scheduled to avoid pipeline stalling for a full rotation.
1247821;1440202548;asciilifeform;mats: see also:
1247822;1440202550;asciilifeform;!s minuteman
1247823;1440202550;assbot;14 results for 'minuteman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minuteman
1247824;1440202554;mats;If subroutines were used, they were implemented by writing the return address to their end then jumping.
1247825;1440202584;asciilifeform;mats: and this is still done in mechanical hdd design, see 'elevator' algo.
1247826;1440202617;asciilifeform;punkman, mircea_popescu: can you think of any ~legit~ reason to store only 16 bits of the hash that was signed ?
1247827;1440202624;mircea_popescu;nope.
1247828;1440202629;asciilifeform;me neither.
1247829;1440202632;mats;asciilifeform: I didn't know that. cool.
1247830;1440202637;asciilifeform;but i can think of a pretty good illegitimate one.
1247831;1440202640;mircea_popescu;but still, the situation is not equivalent to "singatures are trivially defeated in the field"
1247832;1440202645;asciilifeform;not trivially, no.
1247833;1440202645;mircea_popescu;me too, but nevertheless.
1247834;1440202649;mircea_popescu;right.
1247835;1440202657;mircea_popescu;hence the comments i an i presume him, made.
1247836;1440202666;asciilifeform;but can now formulate the equation.
1247837;1440202673;mircea_popescu;do.
1247838;1440202739;punkman;you'll have to spell it out for me
1247839;1440202746;*;asciilifeform retreats to the mathematical room
1247840;1440202868;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no question left that a usable extant pgp implementaton exists. this should be redone.
1247841;1440202872;phf;asciilifeform: maybe hash size is variable where's they wanted to go with fixed size headers. so no matter size of hash you only store first two octets
1247842;1440202895;mircea_popescu;phf so what does that help ?
1247843;1440202902;punkman;phf, it is variable indeed
1247844;1440202906;mircea_popescu;collision on 16 bits of sha512 is trivial.
1247845;1440202919;punkman;and what does collision get you
1247846;1440202928;mircea_popescu;nothinmg, but by this principle let;'s stick to md5/
1247847;1440202959;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's just miserable product design.
1247848;1440202970;phf;mircea_popescu: i ~assume~ the intent is to speed up failure
1247849;1440202975;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to eat in the restaurant where they piss in the beer, irrespective of any other consideration.
1247850;1440202984;mircea_popescu;phf people without wot presence may not have intent.
1247851;1440202995;mircea_popescu;the intent is to rape and pillage, for all orcs, by virtue of being orcs.
1247852;1440203012;phf;if the first two octets don't match you don't have to go through the rest of the signature verification process, since at that point you already know that the signature is invalid
1247853;1440203034;mircea_popescu;and why two.
1247854;1440203059;mircea_popescu;and why is it that all the phuctor bad sigs we see are two octet mirrors.
1247855;1440203098;asciilifeform;fingerprint collision diddles, entirely other castle wall scaled by orcs
1247856;1440203110;asciilifeform;(with some success, as i gather)
1247857;1440203117;mircea_popescu;must be.
1247858;1440203163;asciilifeform;'The concatenation of the data being signed and the signature data from the version number through the hashed subpacket data (inclusive) is hashed.  The resulting hash value is what is signed.  The left 16 bits of the hash are included in the Signature packet to provide a quick test to reject some invalid signatures.'
1247859;1440203180;mircea_popescu;;;google "N-ai fost acolo s-auzi tot ce-am auzit. N-ai fost acolo sa vezi tot ce am vazut. N-ai fost acolo sa vezi tot ce am facut. N-ai fost acolo sa vezi prin tot ce am trecut."
1247860;1440203181;gribble;Pânza de minciuni. | Scriu pentru ca nimeni nu asculta..: <https://bineledinrau.wordpress.com/>; Dan Necşa | Trăieşte, iubeşte, respectă, ai grijă, dar nu te ataşa!: <https://dannecsa.wordpress.com/>; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: <https://intamplarisavante.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/la-mormantul-lui-arsenie-boca-parintele-a-lasat-cu- (1 more message)
1247861;1440203189;mircea_popescu;derp google.
1247862;1440203215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is thgat the most likely to be quoted snippet ?
1247863;1440203252;punkman;plenty of success with that "Scallion was used to find collisions for every 32bit key id in the Web  of Trust's strong set demonstrating how insecure 32bit key ids are."
1247864;1440203263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, i get this: http://webkind.ru/text/989416971_946024927p581069957_text_pesni_n-ai-fost-acolo.html
1247865;1440203264;assbot;Слова песни N-ai fost acolo, текст песни ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAUI7A )
1247866;1440203274;asciilifeform;punkman: aha, old nyooz
1247867;1440203301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite.
1247868;1440203337;mircea_popescu;slova pesni = text pesni lol
1247869;1440203444;punkman;https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/pgpv4  key collision for v4, scallion attack was for v3 I think
1247870;1440203445;assbot;cooperpair/pgpv4 at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAUUnm )
1247871;1440203499;mircea_popescu;basically we're uncovering a decade old, very fragile rube goldberg machine
1247872;1440203507;mircea_popescu;to subvert thew pgp i npractice.
1247873;1440203564;mircea_popescu;hey hayden... you sucked lol
1247874;1440203613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00070518 = 30.8869 BTC [+] {3} 
1247875;1440203715;asciilifeform;'Most OpenPGP software use 64-bit keyids internally, and rely on 64-bit keyids present in issuer id packets.' < ahaha.
1247876;1440203736;*;asciilifeform always, always regrets what he finds.
1247877;1440203749;asciilifeform;this is likely why so few with the shovels
1247878;1440203755;asciilifeform;nobody wants to see what is under that garden.
1247879;1440203876;punkman;might as well repost this too, if you've never edited your gpg config, start here: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf
1247880;1440203877;assbot;cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB5DZF )
1247881;1440203959;punkman;"# Use a real encryption algorithm to protect the secret keyring, rather than CAST5." << relevant to certain folks that didn't mind posting their encrypted keyrings to keybase.io
1247882;1440203985;mircea_popescu;"a" is bullshit.
1247883;1440203989;mircea_popescu;what do we say, twofish ?
1247884;1440204033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: weren't you the one with the 'why do we need block cipher at all' concept ?
1247885;1440204043;mircea_popescu;yes. but meanwhile.
1247886;1440204070;mircea_popescu;in principle, i will say "block cipher" is exactly, EXACTLY, provably as retarded as "reusable otp via prng".,
1247887;1440204076;asciilifeform;while we're at it, copying in from my handwritten 'pgp is retarded' notebook,
1247888;1440204092;asciilifeform;'why the fuck is there no provision for multilayer use of multiple blockciphersystems'
1247889;1440204103;mircea_popescu;because that doesn't help anything.
1247890;1440204117;asciilifeform;it helps in precisely the same way as multiple parachutes
1247891;1440204124;mircea_popescu;no.
1247892;1440204141;mircea_popescu;it helps in precisely the same way as multiple surgical interventions.
1247893;1440204149;mircea_popescu;if one didn't help, ten won't eiother.
1247894;1440204151;asciilifeform;(knowing weak keys in aes does not break the message if under it is, e.g., twofish, with DISTINCT KEY)
1247895;1440204164;mircea_popescu;fuck or get off the woman.
1247896;1440204164;asciilifeform;tards use same key, yes
1247897;1440204173;asciilifeform;(for separate layers)
1247898;1440204200;mircea_popescu;no dude, spare me. either this problem is solved or woirked on.
1247899;1440204207;mircea_popescu;chaining is for the brothel.
1247900;1440204228;asciilifeform;block cipher gets 'solved' no more than steel girders can be 'solved.'
1247901;1440204232;asciilifeform;can make thicker, or thinner
1247902;1440204234;mircea_popescu;not so.
1247903;1440204234;phf;could it also increases known-plaintext attack possibilities?
1247904;1440204238;asciilifeform;but not infinitely rigid.
1247905;1440204243;mircea_popescu;phf it necessarily would.
1247906;1440204247;mircea_popescu;and other issues.
1247907;1440204266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either you make me an infinitely rigid girder or i don;'t want anything to do with you.
1247908;1440204269;asciilifeform;phf, mircea_popescu: how, if the layers use distinct keys, each en-rsa'd separately ?
1247909;1440204273;mircea_popescu;it's computing for a reason. THIS is the reason.
1247910;1440204311;*;asciilifeform reminds mircea_popescu that factoring has not been proven np-hard much less np-complete
1247911;1440204321;asciilifeform;hence we have no mega-magicalgirder.
1247912;1440204328;asciilifeform;even in rsa.
1247913;1440204340;*;asciilifeform has searched for such a girder for quite some time.
1247914;1440204348;asciilifeform;the closest thing we have is the vernam pad.
1247915;1440204360;mircea_popescu;that's actually weaker than rsa in practice.
1247916;1440204366;asciilifeform;(otp, or however it is called in each of our kindergarten textbooks.)
1247917;1440204396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: practice, fortunately, is not hard to fix.
1247918;1440204404;asciilifeform;use a bit once, then blow the antifuse it lived in.
1247919;1440204405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do not ask me "how". this question is pointedly forbidden in this context.
1247920;1440204406;asciilifeform;problem solved.
1247921;1440204440;asciilifeform;call it, if you like, 'read-once' ram.
1247922;1440204446;phf;should start mailing each other cloned harddrives with random bits on them
1247923;1440204459;asciilifeform;unless operator is a moron, and uses it other than as prescribed, device is a true otp.
1247924;1440204464;asciilifeform;phf: mailing, wtf
1247925;1440204469;asciilifeform;why not mail straight to hitler.
1247926;1440204494;asciilifeform;to complete this story, i will add a diode on each antifuse and a collective rail to blow'em all
1247927;1440204503;asciilifeform;plugged into the 'grenade pin' of course.
1247928;1440204529;asciilifeform;!s antifuse
1247929;1440204529;assbot;26 results for 'antifuse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=antifuse
1247930;1440204561;phf;conversation really an excuse for asciilifeform to build a subversive analogue circuit
1247931;1440204562;mircea_popescu;forget all that already.
1247932;1440204732;asciilifeform;otp has precisely three weaknesses even in principle: generation of key (solved by civilized rng); reuse of key (solved by erasing each bit immediately after it is used in a xor); capture of key by enemy (in common with any other cipher! and solved with grenade pin)
1247933;1440204748;asciilifeform;that it is not aesthetically pleasing is not a weakness.
1247934;1440204760;punkman;and distribution of key?
1247935;1440204778;phf;(that's the last point in asciilifeform's list)
1247936;1440204801;asciilifeform;not a weakness. generated by two units connected together in sealed, grounded copper container.
1247937;1440204804;asciilifeform;then separated.
1247938;1440204847;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1247939;1440204897;mircea_popescu;look, im not going to give back the major advantage of asym crypto keys just because nsa sponsored implementation and useful rms-ian idiots made a mess of things.
1247940;1440204902;asciilifeform;this is the 'infinitely rigid girder.' in practice, all girders meaningfully differing from this one have provably finite rigidity.
1247941;1440204906;mircea_popescu;i might as well go back to woodstove heating.
1247942;1440204918;asciilifeform;nobody said 'go back to latrine', aha.
1247943;1440204931;asciilifeform;but it is worth understanding what the cost of 'infinitely rigid girder' is.
1247944;1440204932;mircea_popescu;measurable my foot.
1247945;1440204935;mircea_popescu;measure rsa rigidity.
1247946;1440204946;asciilifeform;could, if could prove np-hard.
1247947;1440204950;mircea_popescu;myeah
1247948;1440204967;asciilifeform;(and would be picking up fields medal or whatever remaining civilized equivalent is)
1247949;1440204969;mircea_popescu;course you said provable. i'll take that to. prove.,
1247950;1440204982;mircea_popescu;no you wouldn't.
1247951;1440204995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is of course right. snowdenball's chance in hell
1247952;1440204996;mircea_popescu;"it was already announced by some researches without a name in a paper without a back copy"
1247953;1440205002;asciilifeform;aha, this.
1247954;1440205030;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on another front, http://36.media.tumblr.com/cf0be6b45983b05c2ff5e4529958595f/tumblr_ncsy3gJdZY1u0tf07o1_500.jpg
1247955;1440205031;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAWKVl )
1247956;1440205080;asciilifeform;spiffy bunker
1247957;1440205339;asciilifeform;to round off the thread, imho the 'holy grail' of asymmetric crypto is to demonstrate ~provably measurable strength~ - that is, prove np-completeness of inverting the transform.
1247958;1440205364;asciilifeform;while also proving that none of the 'practical' aspects of employing the transform, leak key.
1247959;1440205369;mircea_popescu;no.
1247960;1440205372;asciilifeform;(most academitards neglect the second part!)
1247961;1440205381;mircea_popescu;the holy grail is this situation where nothing's demonstrated at all.
1247962;1440205393;asciilifeform;??
1247963;1440205395;asciilifeform;how;s that work
1247964;1440205421;mircea_popescu;the field of unknown unknowns always favours the people against the state.
1247965;1440205436;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu remember what means 'np-complete' ?
1247966;1440205440;mircea_popescu;yea/
1247967;1440205443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8755 @ 0.00070779 = 6.1967 BTC [+]
1247968;1440205461;mircea_popescu;if anyone had the proof, i'd ask them to not publish it, for that matter.
1247969;1440205465;asciilifeform;l0l!
1247970;1440205468;mircea_popescu;yes.
1247971;1440205479;*;asciilifeform 's throat is not big enough for this pill
1247972;1440205508;asciilifeform;hitler rediscovers the proof. then what
1247973;1440205508;mircea_popescu;it is ACTUALLY preferable for teh republic that whether rsa is or is not np-complete is not known.
1247974;1440205518;mircea_popescu;then nothing.
1247975;1440205533;mircea_popescu;hitler had reports re the fucking wtc bombings on his own desk.
1247976;1440205534;asciilifeform;how does this beat 'proven np-complete and the lowliest amoebic scum knows' ?
1247977;1440205554;mircea_popescu;how does "not clear what bitcoin is" beat "bitcoin is IT" ?
1247978;1440205584;mircea_popescu;i lived my entire life cloaked in a shadow of "nobody saw him coming". i like it.
1247979;1440205588;asciilifeform;is the idea that enemy wastes resources on cryptoanalytic derp vs setting up coke machine dungeon ?
1247980;1440205603;mircea_popescu;not even.
1247981;1440205669;asciilifeform;see,  i could even agree re: ~provably unknowable~ (i.e. godelian) unknowns. if these could be had. but 'unknown uknowns' inescapably shed the first 'unknown'
1247982;1440205699;asciilifeform;i would like an asymmetric transform whose complexity were provably unknowable. that would be spiffy.
1247983;1440205708;mircea_popescu;heh. no they don't.
1247984;1440205714;mircea_popescu;what, you think strella is a directional weapon ?
1247985;1440205774;asciilifeform;can't rule out that even 20 yrs ago hitler knew that factoring is np-complete.
1247986;1440205785;asciilifeform;based on available evidence.
1247987;1440205800;mircea_popescu;the less you can rule out, the easier it gets for me.
1247988;1440205810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24945 @ 0.0007078 = 17.6561 BTC [+] {2} 
1247989;1440205851;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxsrj48uuz1r4hwowo1_1280.jpg
1247990;1440205852;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PqZQJS )
1247991;1440205857;asciilifeform;how does it help anybody (other than hitler), including mircea_popescu, when hitler knows for certain, but everybody else is left to mathematicize fruitlessly (or, worse, work on faith)
1247992;1440205873;mircea_popescu;your notion that hitler's ahead of the curve is spurious.
1247993;1440205884;asciilifeform;why?
1247994;1440205890;mircea_popescu;never, inb the entire history of reichs, was this the case. not once.
1247995;1440205896;asciilifeform;recall who had rsa transform in 1976 ?
1247996;1440205923;asciilifeform;or what, was disinfo ?
1247997;1440205937;mircea_popescu;who ?
1247998;1440205963;*;asciilifeform did not watch mr cocks discover it, so cannot say that it is a fact
1247999;1440205970;asciilifeform;clifford cocks.
1248000;1440205971;mircea_popescu;define "had".
1248001;1440205986;mircea_popescu;that dumbfuck rice "had" the airplane thing, too.
1248002;1440206028;asciilifeform;no one 'had' in the modern sense until the cheap micro, sure.
1248003;1440206067;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1248004;1440206069;asciilifeform;but for cryptoanalyst, it is actually not useless to 'have' a paper-and-pen unimplementable algo
1248005;1440206071;mircea_popescu;no. that wasn't their problem.
1248006;1440206082;asciilifeform;can begin to think of attack, without ever actually modularly exponentiating anything
1248007;1440206088;mircea_popescu;pfff #2.
1248008;1440206112;asciilifeform;?#1, ?#2 ?
1248009;1440206131;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1248010;1440206146;asciilifeform;what am i missing
1248011;1440206175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209273 @ 0.00066783 = 139.7588 BTC [-] {8} 
1248012;1440206184;asciilifeform;either the legend of mr cocks is disinfo (i cannot rule this out at all) or usg had rsa before rivest, shamir, adelman.
1248013;1440206191;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood. but once i figure it out i'll make the computer do what you mean.
1248014;1440206204;asciilifeform;l0l
1248015;1440206212;mircea_popescu;it "had" it. suppose there's madonna burried in your back yard
1248016;1440206215;mircea_popescu;do you "Have" her ?
1248017;1440206236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75627 @ 0.00065566 = 49.5856 BTC [-] {5} 
1248018;1440206259;asciilifeform;so no 'have' until firing on the battlefield ?
1248019;1440206282;mircea_popescu;no. not have until have.
1248020;1440206306;mircea_popescu;you "have" a horse. your dad bought youy it, except you may not ride it. what "have" ?
1248021;1440206313;mircea_popescu;only some may have. government's not on the list.
1248022;1440206321;asciilifeform;what would a counterexample to hypothesis http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1247994 look like ?
1248023;1440206321;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 01:11:30; mircea_popescu: never, inb the entire history of reichs, was this the case. not once.
1248024;1440206340;phf;so for the curious it doesn't look like 1.4.19 uses the two-byte hash value anyway. it reads it from disk, it populates it during sign and it can write it to disk, but no actual logic done using it
1248025;1440206350;phf;*anywhere rather
1248026;1440206373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something like "fructidor"
1248027;1440206385;phf;(grep for digest_start)
1248028;1440206424;mircea_popescu;phf yeah it's not actually as bad as it seemed on the basis of the snippet. still crud.
1248029;1440206429;asciilifeform;phf: am i catastrophically missing something, (i didn't sleep much), or is this an even greater clusterfuck than if the 16bit were used ?!!
1248030;1440206437;mircea_popescu;"let's do things to things for reasonds"
1248031;1440206445;asciilifeform;it would mean that an existential signature forgery is trivial
1248032;1440206484;*;asciilifeform prepares vivisection table
1248033;1440206586;phf;asciilifeform: i'm failing to see the clusterfuck part
1248034;1440206613;phf;i'm mostly curious if my guess about the purpose of the field was correct, but no insight from gpg
1248035;1440206652;phf;logic looks like "read a bunch of things", "hash data", "put relevant bits into an in memory copy of the header", "hash in memory copy", "compare"
1248036;1440206683;asciilifeform;it isn't 'compare' though
1248037;1440206700;phf;asciilifeform: ah, you caught my hand wave :>
1248038;1440206732;asciilifeform;'well, one could devise methods for signing long messages that don't involve hashing, such as splitting up the message into small segments, tie each segment together with an identifier and a segment sequence number, and sign each individually. However, hashing works so much easier that no one ever considers an alternative.' << quoted verbatim from shit-overflow
1248039;1440206734;asciilifeform;for the record.
1248040;1440206738;asciilifeform;because lulzy.
1248041;1440206747;mircea_popescu;wtf is that
1248042;1440206761;mircea_popescu;since when hash input size is a concern
1248043;1440206792;asciilifeform;in the rfc?
1248044;1440206799;asciilifeform;to know how many bytes to read ?
1248045;1440206810;mircea_popescu;no in the quote.,
1248046;1440206870;asciilifeform;he says 'long messages' on account of the impossibility of signing an integer longer than the public modulus
1248047;1440206875;asciilifeform;using naked rsa.
1248048;1440206896;asciilifeform;hence how hash came to be used in asymmetric signing
1248049;1440206905;asciilifeform;and someone asked, 'but do we ~have~ to rely on hash'
1248050;1440206907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00070727 = 14.4283 BTC [+]
1248051;1440206931;asciilifeform;and quoted interlocutor answered, 'no but stfu'
1248052;1440207018;asciilifeform;(but, how many folks would accept signatures that are 2x the length of the payload !)
1248053;1440207018;mircea_popescu;aok
1248054;1440207055;mircea_popescu;actually. is there a 4096 bit hash function of any merit ?
1248055;1440207077;asciilifeform;not as such.
1248056;1440207082;mircea_popescu;make the damned thing match throughout. bapg = 4096 rsa, 4096 hash, etc.
1248057;1440207113;asciilifeform;gotta leave some room for 'pad'
1248058;1440207119;mircea_popescu;why ?
1248059;1440207121;asciilifeform;(that is, permutation of the item to be signed)
1248060;1440207123;mircea_popescu;hash is also the pad
1248061;1440207134;asciilifeform;'pad' is a bit of a misnomer in the parlance
1248062;1440207160;asciilifeform;!s rsa padding
1248063;1440207160;assbot;1 results for 'rsa padding' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+padding
1248064;1440207241;mircea_popescu;no. rsa encryption = a succession of individually encrypted blocks.
1248065;1440207255;asciilifeform;easily.
1248066;1440207260;mircea_popescu;so it's not actually a concern
1248067;1440207290;mircea_popescu;i wasn't at any point contemplating "rsa encryption = rsa run once over the message herp"
1248068;1440207343;mircea_popescu;(and i maintain that in all context hybrid encryption is retarde dwithout exception. either fuck or get off the woman.)
1248069;1440207372;asciilifeform;the purpose of 'padding' is to a) never have transform of known input deterministically give same output b) prevent arbitrarily flipped bits of ciphertext from yielding a valid (attempt to eat) message
1248070;1440207395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00070787 = 1.4865 BTC [+]
1248071;1440207426;mircea_popescu;yes. but none of these actually requires a hybrid scheme
1248072;1440207435;asciilifeform;'course not.
1248073;1440207464;asciilifeform;just pointing out that you can't stuff n bits of payload into signature (or encipherment) with modulus length n.
1248074;1440207481;asciilifeform;in practice, on account of a+b - fewer.
1248075;1440207495;asciilifeform;(depending on what method of 'padding' - fucking hate this name! - is used)
1248076;1440207513;mircea_popescu;and if youy for some incomprehensible reason MUST use a hybrid scheme, use the following : 1. generate random 4096 hash ; 2. cut your message up into N chunks of size up to 2048 ; 3. xor the chunks with 1; encrypt each chunk via rsa
1248077;1440207525;asciilifeform;btw i am still trying to figure out why the existing 'padding' algos are so asininely complex
1248078;1440207538;asciilifeform;then again, i'm not winning any prizes for knowing the answer to this.
1248079;1440207545;mircea_popescu;quite.
1248080;1440207639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00070835 = 24.8277 BTC [+] {2} 
1248081;1440207654;*;asciilifeform has been living with all of this, in today's thread, and more, while working on the inevitable ada bignumtron and rsatron.
1248082;1440207696;asciilifeform;for use in a certain little device, yes.
1248083;1440207746;asciilifeform;but does ~everything~ have to break into dust in my hands.
1248084;1440207752;asciilifeform;srsly, fucking 'diff'.
1248085;1440207761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12132 @ 0.0007095 = 8.6077 BTC [+] {2} 
1248086;1440207808;mircea_popescu;;;google "pentru ca esti o vita spastica si te uraste soarta"
1248087;1440207809;gribble;No matches found.
1248088;1440207815;mircea_popescu;pfff
1248089;1440207832;asciilifeform;approximately.
1248090;1440207854;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhBH13qMM4
1248091;1440207855;assbot;RObotzi.S02.Ep22.Pornache - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDMR8r )
1248092;1440208024;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 if you regenerate the 'orchestra' patches with new vdiff, i will sign'em. otherwise might have to wait a while
1248093;1440208024;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1248094;1440208044;asciilifeform;or hanbot, or mircea_popescu, et al
1248095;1440208054;asciilifeform;at this point anybody can turn the handle
1248096;1440208081;phf;(so it's not compare. they run a digest on payload while reading (or separately if detached), then they run digest on own reconstruction of header, then they finalize the digest and do sig verification of provided signature against the digest that they calculated)
1248097;1440208123;asciilifeform;aha
1248098;1440208156;mircea_popescu;it could be more complicated.
1248099;1440208178;phf;incidentally after bitcoind gnupg source is pleasure to read
1248100;1440208193;asciilifeform;phf: naturally, no cppism
1248101;1440208199;mircea_popescu;or graffiti in foreign languages
1248102;1440208205;asciilifeform;though i would disagree re: 'pleasure'
1248103;1440208209;asciilifeform;just a duller pain
1248104;1440208242;asciilifeform;reading c is more like being beaten with telephone books, vs cpp's bicycle chains
1248105;1440208310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00070727 = 13.2967 BTC [-]
1248106;1440208322;phf;one can buy "PGP Source Code and Internals." from amazon for $289
1248107;1440208346;asciilifeform;phf: zimmerman ?
1248108;1440208355;asciilifeform;realize that this has nothing at all to do with modern gpg...
1248109;1440208359;phf;yes, trying to see what he was doing with signatures there
1248110;1440208377;phf;oh? pre-standard?
1248111;1440208385;asciilifeform;this item was published by mit press to get around clinton's export laws
1248112;1440208392;phf;aah
1248113;1440208394;asciilifeform;and famously subject of a court proceeding
1248114;1440208400;phf;also '95 vs '98
1248115;1440208444;asciilifeform;the book came with instructions re: how to ocr the thing back, and build!
1248116;1440208450;asciilifeform;i thought this was well-known.
1248117;1440208486;asciilifeform;http://www.ka9q.net/export/zimm.html << on the subject.
1248118;1440208487;assbot;Zimmermann declaration ... ( http://bit.ly/1PESq6m )
1248119;1440208520;asciilifeform;http://www.openresource.com/news/P/PGPSCI.shtml << notice how mit's site no longer contains it.
1248120;1440208522;assbot;PGP Source Code ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1PEStiy )
1248121;1440208537;phf;of course
1248122;1440208586;phf;surprisingly hard to get a copy
1248123;1440208621;asciilifeform;it is not a secret, i think, that i am working on a somewhat similar book.
1248124;1440208629;asciilifeform;two, in fact.
1248125;1440208660;phf;oh? i missed that, i think that's before i started to read closely
1248126;1440208676;*;asciilifeform off for a spell, to play with pet.
1248127;1440208692;phf;i actually forgot that you were working on gnupg source for cardano
1248128;1440208735;phf;hah http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5964408/
1248129;1440209684;thestringpuller;dunno if asciilifeform is talking about human female, or some random puppy he has.
1248130;1440210753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42108 @ 0.00069951 = 29.455 BTC [-] {3} 
1248131;1440211557;*;asciilifeform only has 1 pet
1248132;1440212175;mod6;asciilifeform: ... if you regenerate the 'orchestra' patches with new vdiff, i will sign'em. otherwise might have to wait a while << hey, no problem. I'll start in on this sometime tomorrow probably.
1248133;1440212375;asciilifeform;mod6: neat
1248134;1440212417;mod6;thanks for all your work on V, ascii
1248135;1440212429;asciilifeform;'spreading works, eating - not yet'
1248136;1440212439;mod6;and yah, signing on 16 bits (2 bytes) of hashs is retarded
1248137;1440212461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00065325 = 40.7628 BTC [-]
1248138;1440212499;asciilifeform;mod6: see thread
1248139;1440212511;asciilifeform;(modern gpg does not sign only the 16)
1248140;1440212533;mod6;yah, gotta re-read here.
1248141;1440213132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54492 @ 0.0006754 = 36.8039 BTC [+]
1248142;1440214962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45641 @ 0.00067461 = 30.7899 BTC [-]
1248143;1440215814;phf;so to continue this archaeological dig, GPG 2.6 clarifies the usage of 2 octets. reads the header, reads the rsa ciphertext, decrypts rsa. rsa contains a digest of some fields from header and the body of message. so first thing he does next is check the first 2-octets of digest againts the 2-octets in header. if the two don't match program bails with "Error: RSA-decrypted block is corrupted. This may be caused either by corrupted data or by usin
1248144;1440215814;phf;g the wrong RSA key." message format spec explains "First 2 bytes of the Message Digest inside the RSA-encrypted integer, to help us figure out if we used the right RSA key to check the signature."
1248145;1440215913;phf;for the curious ftp://ftp.pgpi.org/pub/pgp/2.x/doc/pgformat.txt, http://www.spinnaker.com/crypt/pgp/pgp26ui/pgp26uis.zip (src/crypto.c:1289)
1248146;1440215918;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbkSbx )
1248147;1440216852;*;mircea_popescu is tempted to deed a list of key,values of names of various people and start referring to people as "Primitive Man AFMrikO2o3Ka2pcpZ" instead of "Obama" or "Jean Jacques Rousseau" or whatever.
1248148;1440216861;mircea_popescu;because it's where it's headed anyway, and why the fuck wait.
1248149;1440216877;asciilifeform;l0l!
1248150;1440216885;asciilifeform;straight from pelevin's 'orcs'
1248151;1440216896;mircea_popescu;it is what it is.
1248152;1440216900;asciilifeform;(were issued serial #s, tatooed on)
1248153;1440216921;asciilifeform;orcs can grunt to one another whatever names they like, but only men get unique name
1248154;1440216941;asciilifeform;orcs only need to be distinguishable from one another quickly & reliably.
1248155;1440216987;mircea_popescu;name's a courtesy anyway.
1248156;1440218355;*;asciilifeform learned, perhaps to his grief, on account of phf (shame on you!) that 'ozon' now takes shitpal. now bought a container of fresh b00kz, aha.
1248157;1440218403;*;asciilifeform will soon learn what, if anything, ru academiderpers did re: crypto in '90s, among other things.
1248158;1440218782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what i don't grasp is why you're feeling so generous - giving orcs unique names.
1248159;1440218795;asciilifeform;what next, serialize the ants in the anthill ?
1248160;1440218830;asciilifeform;let the rousseaus bite one another's ears off, fighting over who is rousseau.
1248161;1440218859;asciilifeform;(also serial #s tend to work poorly unless reliably tattooed on.)
1248162;1440218977;asciilifeform;see also the 'rating folks not in wot?' and 'branding a snake' thread
1248163;1440218988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41389 @ 0.00064734 = 26.7928 BTC [-] {5} 
1248164;1440219742;mircea_popescu;cuz i might want to be able to distinguish orwell from orlov
1248165;1440219750;mircea_popescu;not that experience to date indicates this as likely.
1248166;1440219842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064515 = 6.4515 BTC [-]
1248167;1440220481;mircea_popescu;"The reappearance of HELEN'S BABIES, in its day one of the most popular books in the world�within the British Empire alone it was pirated by twenty different publishing firms, the author receiving a total profit of �40 from a sale of some hundreds of thousands or millions of copies�will ring a bell in any literate person over thirty-five."
1248168;1440220485;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this, never heard of it.
1248169;1440220496;mircea_popescu;probably some inane brit-pulp a la dickens.
1248170;1440220908;mircea_popescu;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/4281/4281-h/4281-h.htm turns out it's from the us, an early attempt at mommy blogging.
1248171;1440220909;assbot;Error 403 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbIu4b )
1248172;1440221306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00065643 = 13.5225 BTC [+]
1248173;1440221367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00068335 = 13.3253 BTC [+]
1248174;1440221621;mircea_popescu;you know, they speak casually of how the bitches they know're gonna introduce the new ones. except... all this is a work of feverish imagination.
1248175;1440221623;mircea_popescu;bah.
1248176;1440222038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00068754 = 31.3518 BTC [+] {2} 
1248177;1440222147;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llyhg6sEe01qht4jso1_1280.jpg
1248178;1440222150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgHXQ )
1248179;1440223136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9846 @ 0.00066909 = 6.5879 BTC [-]
1248180;1440223385;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157679.0 << and, of course, credit given where credit is due.
1248181;1440223387;assbot;[Guide] Surviving the fork, or How to double your bitcoins (or save fiat) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZiOLr )
1248182;1440224025;punkman;https://github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks-iOS/issues/124#issuecomment-133630294
1248183;1440224027;assbot;Adopting iOS 9 network extension points · Issue #124 · shadowsocks/shadowsocks-iOS · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZjYGE )
1248184;1440224280;mircea_popescu;is that trolling ?
1248185;1440224295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00066816 = 28.9313 BTC [-]
1248186;1440224461;mircea_popescu;imo related, http://38.media.tumblr.com/cfb0c0419182f990eb81a2ed7124c783/tumblr_nq5a2srt8O1sp2hafo1_400.gif
1248187;1440224462;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ME6Gwu )
1248188;1440224661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86108 @ 0.00064807 = 55.804 BTC [-] {3} 
1248189;1440225820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00067939 = 18.921 BTC [+] {2} 
1248190;1440226138;mircea_popescu;"A totalitarian society which succeeded in perpetuating itself would probably set up a schizophrenic system of thought, in which the laws of common sense held good in everyday life and in certain exact sciences, but could be disregarded by the politician, the historian, and the sociologist."
1248191;1440227467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00065793 = 20.7906 BTC [-]
1248192;1440228931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00067953 = 27.9966 BTC [+]
1248193;1440230273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21013 @ 0.000658 = 13.8266 BTC [-]
1248194;1440230997;punkman;mircea_popescu: is that trolling ? << chinese problems
1248195;1440231039;punkman;shadowsocks makes your tunnels look like traffic that's not blocked
1248196;1440231136;shinohai;Don't be like Weird Satanist Guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopeFgwApCM&feature=youtu.be
1248197;1440231137;assbot;Weird Satanist Guy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAC6ol )
1248198;1440231310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82640 @ 0.00066914 = 55.2977 BTC [+] {2} 
1248199;1440231371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43594 @ 0.000691 = 30.1235 BTC [+]
1248200;1440231493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52628 @ 0.00069123 = 36.3781 BTC [+] {2} 
1248201;1440231590;punkman;http://www.china.org.cn/china/2015-08/22/content_36385958.htm
1248202;1440231592;assbot;Fisherman nets a spy device in S China Sea- China.org.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrtuP3 )
1248203;1440231827;shinohai;I hope that somewhere in the AM data, it is revealed Josh Duggar snorted coke off of a tranny's cock.
1248204;1440231833;punkman;lulz http://burners.me/2014/08/17/prepare-for-the-playa-police/
1248205;1440231834;assbot;Prepare for the Playa Police [Update] | Burners.Me: Me, Burners and The Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrtJtw )
1248206;1440232713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00069586 = 43.6304 BTC [+] {2} 
1248207;1440232835;mircea_popescu;;;later tell schmidty fix your connection.
1248208;1440232835;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1248209;1440233247;punkman;http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/three-wounded-in-shooting-on-amsterdam-to-paris-train/41617438
1248210;1440233248;assbot;U.S. soldier wounded helping to overpower gunman on train in France - SWI  swissinfo.ch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eb9Ruc )
1248211;1440233323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00070115 = 14.7242 BTC [+]
1248212;1440233382;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
1248213;1440233383;assbot;Dont Talk to Police - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eb9W1b )
1248214;1440233705;punkman;http://www.ibtimes.com/sprout-pharmaceuticals-ceo-talks-female-viagra-controversy-additional-alcohol-studies-2061110
1248215;1440233707;assbot;Sprout Pharmaceuticals CEO Talks 'Female Viagra' Controversy, Additional Alcohol Studies, Addyi's U.S. Roll-Out And Global Ambitions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eba5By )
1248216;1440234116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00070554 = 11.7155 BTC [+] {2} 
1248217;1440234690;mircea_popescu;sprout pharmaceuticals is a new altcoin or what.
1248218;1440235153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 66099 @ 0.00002287 = 1.5117 BTC [-] {11} 
1248219;1440235641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00070064 = 15.379 BTC [-] {2} 
1248220;1440235768;shinohai;* I want a blockchain!* *Us too!*
1248221;1440236123;punkman;heh http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-who-found-evidence-for-gluten-sensitivity-have-now-shown-it-doesn-t-exist
1248222;1440236125;assbot;Scientists who found gluten sensitivity evidence have now shown it doesn't exist - ScienceAlert ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZjgvZ )
1248223;1440236321;mircea_popescu;doh.
1248224;1440236352;mircea_popescu;all us tinfoil hats with our crazy notions about how shit that doesn't exist doesn't exist.
1248225;1440236372;mircea_popescu;meanwhile how did that quote go, i really liked that thing, with social biddings and shit
1248226;1440236440;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1247708
1248227;1440236440;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 23:21:00; mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.
1248228;1440236456;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1247709
1248229;1440236456;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 23:21:00; mircea_popescu: The rest of us who actually make shit happen in the front lines of consensus back on planet earth will continue to be unaffected by your efforts apart from their modest value as chuckle fuel over beers and sushi."
1248230;1440236468;mircea_popescu;very happen much front lines actual earth &c.
1248231;1440236556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00069891 = 13.9782 BTC [-]
1248232;1440236715;fluffypony;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMy8UicVAAAZOjX.jpg:large
1248233;1440236716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZk0Bp )
1248234;1440236739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00069891 = 33.967 BTC [-]
1248235;1440236745;punkman;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/ashley-madison-hackers-speak-out-nobody-was-watching
1248236;1440236746;assbot;Ashley Madison Hackers Speak Out: 'Nobody Was Watching' | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZk43T )
1248237;1440236775;punkman;"1/3 of pictures are dick pictures and we won't dump."
1248238;1440236837;*;mircea_popescu is not reading a vice regurgitation of anything. got the actual link ?
1248239;1440236853;punkman;it's original
1248240;1440236881;mircea_popescu;then their mother can read it & care.
1248241;1440236889;mircea_popescu;if it's "original" to vice it's a lie by vice.
1248242;1440236922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00067398 = 10.413 BTC [-]
1248243;1440236940;punkman;"Motherboard was given a contact email address for The Impact Team by an  intermediary. After reaching out, the hackers replied with a message  signed with the same PGP key posted with the Ashley Madison dumps. " << of course they couldn't provide the signed replies
1248244;1440236959;mircea_popescu;either they stole someone's shit, in which case i want the original ; or else they made it up, in which case i dun want to hear it.
1248245;1440237349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00067023 = 23.7932 BTC [-]
1248246;1440237410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34574 @ 0.00070623 = 24.4172 BTC [+] {3} 
1248247;1440237548;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing lulz, check out what the dragnet drug up https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/17zq8j/because_most_people_are_idiots_in_spite_of_never/c8aabj7
1248248;1440237549;assbot;ThePiachu comments on Because most people are idiots, in spite of never manning up and admitting to it ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZkSpq )
1248249;1440237655;shinohai;^ LOLZ
1248250;1440237851;cazalla;anyone else read his name as thepikachu?
1248251;1440237873;mircea_popescu;that's the subreddit mod neh ?
1248252;1440237890;cazalla;i believe so
1248253;1440237904;cazalla;next to theymos anyway
1248254;1440238042;shinohai;yes he is mod of r/cryptocurrency too?
1248255;1440238074;shinohai;phd or something important hur durr
1248256;1440238081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9149 @ 0.00067023 = 6.1319 BTC [-]
1248257;1440238318;mircea_popescu;anyway, turns out trilema's linked from tons of various reddits in all sorts of topics, from recovering tlp old posts he apparently deleted to whatever random other thing.
1248258;1440238318;mircea_popescu;it
1248259;1440238342;mircea_popescu;s just they don't amount to much traffic wise, even when piled together, which is how i've never noticed before.
1248260;1440239301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.00070831 = 10.0502 BTC [+] {2} 
1248261;1440239423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42650 @ 0.00071281 = 30.4013 BTC [+] {3} 
1248262;1440240277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56982 @ 0.00066857 = 38.0965 BTC [-] {2} 
1248263;1440240375;shinohai;https://cex.io/#/modal/sign-in
1248264;1440240376;assbot;Bitcoin Exchange, Trading BTC USD, BTC EUR - CEX.IO ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsfNSy )
1248265;1440240394;shinohai;wrong window
1248266;1440242595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29633 @ 0.00065761 = 19.487 BTC [-] {2} 
1248267;1440243266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2767 @ 0.00065406 = 1.8098 BTC [-]
1248268;1440243571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00065406 = 13.9315 BTC [-]
1248269;1440246804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00065713 = 28.9137 BTC [+] {3} 
1248270;1440247292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12735 @ 0.0006774 = 8.6267 BTC [+]
1248271;1440248168;punkman;https://news.artnet.com/market/how-do-experts-arrive-at-an-opinion-about-artwork-authenticity-323652
1248272;1440248172;assbot;Art Law on Authenticating Works by Old Masters--artnet News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jns5Vk )
1248273;1440248551;punkman;http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/how-a-chinese-librarian-made-6-million-in-forged-art-over-two-years
1248274;1440248552;assbot;How a Chinese librarian made $6 million in forged art over two years | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEGQZh )
1248275;1440248758;punkman;"before he resigned from the library he realized that his trick had  occurred to someone else. Several of the paintings he made had been  replaced, his copies stolen. So the Academy was exhibiting fakes of  fakes and someone was selling, or trying to sell, art by Xiao."
1248276;1440249000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14116 @ 0.00071014 = 10.0243 BTC [+] {2} 
1248277;1440249061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25066 @ 0.0007159 = 17.9447 BTC [+] {2} 
1248278;1440250952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21774 @ 0.00070074 = 15.2579 BTC [-]
1248279;1440251196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9629 @ 0.00070074 = 6.7474 BTC [-]
1248280;1440252090;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248244 << ahahaha this is ~very~ easy. does the thing contain any material signed with the original leak's pgp key? no? then straight to /dev/null !!
1248281;1440252090;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 09:49:19; mircea_popescu: either they stole someone's shit, in which case i want the original ; or else they made it up, in which case i dun want to hear it.
1248282;1440252112;asciilifeform;if the folks allegedly interviewed want to me to read this shit, they can sign it.
1248283;1440252182;asciilifeform;(mircea_popescu's bag of tricks is ultra-handy for items like this. specifically, in re: the ancient art of not wasting time with spurious crud)
1248284;1440252302;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248273 << in my eyes, a ~skilled~ art forger is a hero second only to a hypothetical fella who puts an actual bullet through a bilderberger. why, exactly, should i have any sympathy for the folks hitching a ride in the only 100% effective inflation shelter known, at the expense of literally everybody else ?
1248285;1440252302;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 13:02:31; punkman: http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/how-a-chinese-librarian-made-6-million-in-forged-art-over-two-years
1248286;1440252317;asciilifeform;there is no buterin's waterfall for rembrandts and vermeers
1248287;1440252387;asciilifeform;no usg confiscates them, to keep the price from rocketing to alpha centauri. the 'art market' not only destroyed fine art as a going concern, but is one of the giant turtles on which the elephants stand
1248288;1440252409;asciilifeform;propping up the 'world order' or however one calls it.
1248289;1440252443;kakobrekla;!s incorporation certificate
1248290;1440252444;assbot;0 results for 'incorporation certificate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=incorporation+certificate
1248291;1440252444;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248271 << compare this crock of shit to the algo for authenticating a bitcoin !
1248292;1440252444;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 12:56:08; punkman: https://news.artnet.com/market/how-do-experts-arrive-at-an-opinion-about-artwork-authenticity-323652
1248293;1440252601;asciilifeform;(ask how they destroyed fine art? not by 'hiding it in vaults', no. by elevating steaming piles of shit like jackson pollack's splashes, on account of them being supposedly 'authenticable' in his bucket swirling patterns, to 'fine art')
1248294;1440253348;mats;asciilifeform has seen the movie 'American Hustle'?
1248295;1440253357;asciilifeform;nope
1248296;1440253368;mats;is about art forgery.
1248297;1440253399;mats;http://www.metacritic.com/movie/american-hustle
1248298;1440253400;assbot;American Hustle Reviews - Metacritic ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqGPJz )
1248299;1440253604;fluffypony;it's excellent
1248300;1440253637;fluffypony;very watchable, great casting
1248301;1440253819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00069837 = 8.3804 BTC [-]
1248302;1440253913;fluffypony;so 6 hours till North Korea says they'll retaliate
1248303;1440253964;fluffypony;oh wait, I meant 6 hours ago
1248304;1440253968;*;fluffypony can't brain
1248305;1440254063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69627 @ 0.00069837 = 48.6254 BTC [-]
1248306;1440254673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00069837 = 81.0109 BTC [-]
1248307;1440255649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131804 @ 0.00069903 = 92.135 BTC [+] {3} 
1248308;1440255771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00070151 = 7.2606 BTC [+]
1248309;1440256870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00070504 = 19.0361 BTC [+] {2} 
1248310;1440257052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00069572 = 13.2535 BTC [-] {2} 
1248311;1440258070;trinque;asciilifeform: I've produced a genesis.vpatch with your instructions which is only different from yours in terms of timestamps. expected result?
1248312;1440258094;trinque;I recall discussion of removing the timestamps, but didn't find a conclusion there
1248313;1440258102;asciilifeform;damnit
1248314;1440258106;asciilifeform;i posted a new vdiff.sh
1248315;1440258117;*;trinque looks again
1248316;1440258118;asciilifeform;mod6 used it to produce the latest genesis.
1248317;1440258161;trinque;there found it
1248318;1440258163;asciilifeform;diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null  " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
1248319;1440258335;trinque;result of patch -p1 < genesis.vpatch is a tree which matches the manifest.
1248320;1440258339;trinque;very cool
1248321;1440258356;trinque;diff with your genesis.vpatch is now of course the timestamps
1248322;1440258361;trinque;and nothing else
1248323;1440258363;asciilifeform;the original manifest used sha256
1248324;1440258368;asciilifeform;so won't match in the bitwise sense
1248325;1440258377;trinque;wat
1248326;1440258396;asciilifeform;but if you were to switch the hash in vdiff to 256, then will match.
1248327;1440258418;trinque;http://dpaste.com/00WA116.txt
1248328;1440258420;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsCvd8 )
1248329;1440258433;asciilifeform;ah in that sense, no shit, matches
1248330;1440258436;asciilifeform;they're the same files!
1248331;1440258441;trinque;lol, no shit indeed
1248332;1440258446;trinque;I thought this was the exercise
1248333;1440258454;asciilifeform;it is.
1248334;1440258468;trinque;the thing's damned cool
1248335;1440258478;asciilifeform;earlier there were problems with different folks getting different (bitwise) genesis.vpatch - which i traced down to 'locale' retardation in gnudiff
1248336;1440258491;asciilifeform;which left the timestamps. then experimented with abolishing timestamps in diffs entirely. this works
1248337;1440258505;asciilifeform;with caveat that gnupatch will no longer keep you from applying the same patch twice.
1248338;1440258509;trinque;yeah, I made the LC_ALL=C change
1248339;1440258638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2500 @ 0.000755 = 1.8875 BTC [+]
1248340;1440258642;asciilifeform;trinque: i did the genesis.vpatch thing solely to simplify 'v' build system, which i was working on; such that there is no longer any shenanigans with tarballs, copying of crud, etc
1248341;1440258651;asciilifeform;everything that anyone is to be signing is a vpatch.
1248342;1440258655;asciilifeform;is the idea.
1248343;1440258692;asciilifeform;this makes it possible to mechanically trace a 'patchchain'
1248344;1440258707;asciilifeform;say, one can ask for 'asciilifeform's longest chain.'
1248345;1440258758;trinque;yep, that seems perfect, and I don't know how it could be simpler.
1248346;1440258772;asciilifeform;i am also considering a knob whereby one can sign a manifest
1248347;1440258775;asciilifeform;this is a 'release'.
1248348;1440258786;*;trinque nods
1248349;1440258804;asciilifeform;'v' will recursively walk the hashes in the release and apply the necessary vpatches to produce the tree.
1248350;1440258938;asciilifeform;trinque: see that your genesis.vpatch is bitwise-identical to mod6's.
1248351;1440258943;asciilifeform;then sign and post your sig.
1248352;1440258946;trinque;sure will
1248353;1440258999;asciilifeform;jurov's current script, unfortunately makes it necessary to post the payload (genesis) with the sig, in order for the message to come through.
1248354;1440259022;trinque;and indeed it's identical
1248355;1440259030;asciilifeform;but theoretically it is now possible to submit sigs for the same thing, and they will match.
1248356;1440259110;asciilifeform;one potentially warty aspect of 'v' is that let's say ben_vulpes agrees with all of asciilifeform's longest-chain patches but one, somewhere in the middle.
1248357;1440259126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00071869 = 19.6921 BTC [+] {2} 
1248358;1440259134;asciilifeform;the thing he ends up having to do is to create an antipatch for that one, and place it on the head of his longest chain.
1248359;1440259155;asciilifeform;creating the antipatch is likely to require some manual manipulation.
1248360;1440259157;trinque;seems the most honest representation of that
1248361;1440259160;asciilifeform;aha.
1248362;1440259162;asciilifeform;this is my view.
1248363;1440259175;asciilifeform;it avoids polluting the mechanism with special cases.
1248364;1440259178;trinque;otherwise you get the insane operations possible in git
1248365;1440259180;trinque;yep
1248366;1440259194;asciilifeform;i am emphatically ~not~ recreating 'git' or the like.
1248367;1440259252;asciilifeform;aficionados of 'functional programming' will recognize the 'v' data structure as so-called 'immutable'.
1248368;1440259351;asciilifeform;to further work the example, the 'antipatch' is only necessary if ben_vulpes's chain builds on any of asciilifeform's patches which have the unwanted patch as antecedent.
1248369;1440259358;asciilifeform;because if not, it is not necessary.
1248370;1440259387;asciilifeform;if any aspect of the basic theory here is the least bit unclear to any of you, i want to hear about it asap.
1248371;1440259395;trinque;that points out perfectly why "commit" is usually too big a wad of information
1248372;1440259421;asciilifeform;the closest thing we have to a 'commit' here is the act of creating, signing, and distributing a vpatch.
1248373;1440259463;asciilifeform;no vpatch, with the exception of 'genesis', should ever be longer than a few pages of text.
1248374;1440259539;asciilifeform;it is important that everyone who works on therealbitcoin sign 'genesis' and distribute said signature.
1248375;1440259574;asciilifeform;or 'v' will not eat descendant patches from said person.
1248376;1440259902;asciilifeform;and, speaking of which,
1248377;1440259903;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000153.html
1248378;1440259904;assbot;[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jc4kAg )
1248379;1440259908;asciilifeform;^ me.
1248380;1440260180;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^
1248381;1440260181;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1248382;1440260282;asciilifeform;importantly, these need to be detached (own file) signatures. specifically ~not~ like this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000150.html
1248383;1440260283;assbot;[BTC-dev] signed genesis.vpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7B7Xg )
1248384;1440260442;trinque;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000154.html
1248385;1440260443;assbot;[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLeXU1 )
1248386;1440260575;asciilifeform;sig verifies.
1248387;1440260579;asciilifeform;congrats trinque !
1248388;1440260584;trinque;congrats to you sir
1248389;1440260590;*;trinque finds some coffee
1248390;1440260724;asciilifeform;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2R8J8C5.txt
1248391;1440260725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLffdn )
1248392;1440260726;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1248393;1440260805;asciilifeform;now the ideal thing would be to hook deedbot straight up to this.
1248394;1440260815;asciilifeform;won't eat patches, no, but will eat sigs.
1248395;1440260968;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> this is a 'release'. << ultra nifty
1248396;1440261022;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm still not entirely convinced that particular knob is necessary
1248397;1440261036;asciilifeform;a 'release' can simply be a deedbotted manifest.
1248398;1440261229;ben_vulpes;the whole thing, man.
1248399;1440261236;ben_vulpes;sinfully nifty.
1248400;1440261322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00069408 = 37.9662 BTC [-] {3} 
1248401;1440262491;danielpbarron;https://youtu.be/YGRgztz3Q6s?t=34s "What is my purpose?" << here's the kind of cartoon kids are growing up with nowadays, and it's not bad
1248402;1440262492;assbot;Rick and Morty Something Ricked This Way Comes Episode 9 Season 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0odBG )
1248403;1440262664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57891 @ 0.00071365 = 41.3139 BTC [+] {2} 
1248404;1440263272;fluffypony;Rick and Morty is great
1248405;1440263278;fluffypony;also Bojack Horseman
1248406;1440263396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50640 @ 0.00071817 = 36.3681 BTC [+] {2} 
1248407;1440263762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13944 @ 0.00071914 = 10.0277 BTC [+]
1248408;1440264355;mats;Fun fact: early ICBM computers had individually serial numbered resistors.
1248409;1440264921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00070837 = 15.5487 BTC [-]
1248410;1440266611;ben_vulpes;for those following the macos travails, cp does not have a --parents, instead has a -p
1248411;1440266613;ben_vulpes;thanks steve
1248412;1440266649;asciilifeform;ferfuckssake, is it really necessary to build on toy os ?
1248413;1440266657;asciilifeform;is winblows next ?
1248414;1440266726;asciilifeform;in unrelated nyooz, tr0l0l0l, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482&cpage=1#comment-17278
1248415;1440266728;assbot;Loper OS » Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ea7oQE )
1248416;1440267006;fluffypony;ben_vulpes: why would that have anything to do with Steve Jobs?
1248417;1440267188;kakobrekla;speaking on toy oses - i had a good build on deb8
1248418;1440267198;fluffypony;it's crazy that *anyone* thinks standard command line tools in OS X have anything to do with Apple
1248419;1440267258;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248408 << my understanding is that individually-measured and selected components are still sop in Machines Which Must Work
1248420;1440267258;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 17:25:55; mats: Fun fact: early ICBM computers had individually serial numbered resistors.
1248421;1440267325;fluffypony;https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=cp&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=4.3BSD+NET%2F2&arch=default&format=html
1248422;1440267327;assbot;cp ... ( http://bit.ly/1h3Zcqw )
1248423;1440267328;asciilifeform;less so today, in digital circuits, than in the old days of analogue amps in everything
1248424;1440267343;fluffypony;oh look, the cp man in 1991 looks the same as it does on OS X today
1248425;1440267347;fluffypony;surprise
1248426;1440267410;asciilifeform;fluffypony: the 'fun' on mac begins when you diverge from traditional bsd utils and try using items like perl, python, or - satan forbid - attempt to work with init scripts or other customary denizens of /etc/
1248427;1440267501;fluffypony;[ ric->~ ]$ perl --version
1248428;1440267502;fluffypony;This is perl 5, version 18, subversion 2 (v5.18.2) built for darwin-thread-multi-2level
1248429;1440267505;fluffypony;[ ric->~ ]$ python --version
1248430;1440267505;fluffypony;Python 2.7.8
1248431;1440267514;fluffypony;seems fairly innocuous, asciilifeform?
1248432;1440267521;fluffypony;but I agree with you on it not using init
1248433;1440267523;asciilifeform;fluffypony: now install a py package, say
1248434;1440267527;mod6;asciilifeform: ok I regenerated all of the rel1 & rel2-pre patches with the new vdiff -- you want to review 'em?
1248435;1440267534;asciilifeform;fluffypony: is the process ~exactly~ the same as on a gentoo box?
1248436;1440267536;asciilifeform;if not, BROKEN
1248437;1440267544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00071914 = 17.8706 BTC [+]
1248438;1440267555;fluffypony;asciilifeform: pip install <package name>
1248439;1440267561;asciilifeform;mod6: diff with the old set, and see that nothing but timestamps is at variance
1248440;1440267573;asciilifeform;mod6: if so, then safe to sign.
1248441;1440267589;asciilifeform;(new set should have no timestamps.)
1248442;1440267599;asciilifeform;mod6: also might want to try applying the patches, sequentially.
1248443;1440267636;asciilifeform;mod6: they also need to be rebased (paths adjusted) so that they ~all~ apply from the root dir (where the patches live.)
1248444;1440267641;asciilifeform;without descending into 'bitcoin'
1248445;1440267676;asciilifeform;can either do this yourself, or wait several days until i get around to it.
1248446;1440267699;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: diff with the old set, and see that nothing but timestamps is at variance << can post this here in a bit for your review
1248447;1440267727;mod6;<+asciilifeform> can either do this yourself, or wait several days until i get around to it. << i might get some more time to play around tonight.  we'll see
1248448;1440267752;asciilifeform;to be specific, all diff hunks should take the form seen in 'genesis', where '--- a/bitcoin/src/foo', '+++ b/bitcoin/src/foo'
1248449;1440267778;asciilifeform;presently some of them are, e.g., '+++ b/src/foo' and this slipped past my eyes
1248450;1440267783;asciilifeform;and is retarded
1248451;1440267808;mod6;eek! in the signed one?
1248452;1440267812;*;mod6 looks
1248453;1440267815;asciilifeform;in the original 'orchestra'
1248454;1440267818;asciilifeform;but also in all earlier patches
1248455;1440267822;asciilifeform;there is inconsistency
1248456;1440267833;asciilifeform;we resolved it before by doing shell gymnastics with the dir
1248457;1440267841;asciilifeform;this is not acceptable in 'v'
1248458;1440267849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98180 @ 0.00070808 = 69.5193 BTC [-] {2} 
1248459;1440267851;asciilifeform;(which i am trying to strip of all unnecessary 'intelligence')
1248460;1440267861;mod6;<+asciilifeform> but also in all earlier patches << ah yea yeah, ok gotcha.
1248461;1440267877;asciilifeform;gotta nail this down, once and for all.
1248462;1440267896;mod6;yup gotcha
1248463;1440267912;mod6;that way too im not doing the '-d' gymnastics
1248464;1440267916;mod6;sounds good.
1248465;1440267935;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread: a few hours of thinking led me to another potential boojum in 'v' : cyclic graphs
1248466;1440267955;asciilifeform;i.e. if someone were to submit an antipatch which brings a file hash back to a previously-seen value.
1248467;1440267976;asciilifeform;my present understanding is that the only solution to this is that i intend to negrate anyone who EVER does this.
1248468;1440267981;asciilifeform;and encourage others to do the same.
1248469;1440268047;asciilifeform;i ~really~ don't feel like stuffing a 'tortoise and hare algo' cycle-finder in that thing.
1248470;1440268061;mod6;yeah, well, i agree, if somehow they end up restoring something back to its original sha512 something is wrong.  or something needed to be rolled back for some reason.
1248471;1440268063;asciilifeform;it would be easily 50x the complexity of the whole shebang put together.
1248472;1440268076;asciilifeform;mod6: no, understand, such a patch being submitted will wedge the machine.
1248473;1440268080;asciilifeform;(if sig verifies)
1248474;1440268147;asciilifeform;if must undo a change, roll it back with an annotation. anything to get a ~novel~ sha512.
1248475;1440268153;mod6;makes sense.  this is a tree.  and if we suddenly make the root a leaf, then screwed.
1248476;1440268156;asciilifeform;just like rules of chess, incidentally
1248477;1440268167;asciilifeform;cause a board position to be repeated ? nope
1248478;1440268204;asciilifeform;it occurs to me that we can check for this mechanically
1248479;1440268212;asciilifeform;without tortoise-and-hare algo
1248480;1440268214;asciilifeform;like this:
1248481;1440268235;asciilifeform;'no +++ sha512 may ever equal a previously-seen-after-+++ sha512.'
1248482;1440268341;asciilifeform;this is still not a 100% solution, because we have ~no means of ordering patches other than hashes~
1248483;1440268347;asciilifeform;recall, there is no notion of time.
1248484;1440268353;mod6;yeah.
1248485;1440268375;asciilifeform;but it is a handy means of mechanically computing whom to negrate.
1248486;1440268395;mod6;"in the beginning there was false..."
1248487;1440268395;asciilifeform;'if tree-walk wedges on account of your patch, blame yourself'
1248488;1440268399;asciilifeform;aha.
1248489;1440268589;mod6;ok, here is the diffs between your posted patches w/timestamps v. new ones w/o ts: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1-test-20150822.patch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2-pre-test-20150822.patch
1248490;1440268590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h41BkQ )
1248491;1440268591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h41BkS )
1248492;1440268638;asciilifeform;mod6: now try applying these in the known order.
1248493;1440268658;asciilifeform;mod6: see, for example, if you can bitwise-reconstitute REL1.
1248494;1440268675;mod6;yeah.  you know... was just looking at these closer. i think i screwed something up
1248495;1440268679;mod6;the hashes don't match.
1248496;1440268699;asciilifeform;they have to match.
1248497;1440268720;mod6;i did something wrong here.
1248498;1440268727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform say, you keep sending me these carets, what are they supposed to do ? add to my collection ?
1248499;1440268735;mod6;lemme blow these away
1248500;1440268742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not sure what i was thinking there!
1248501;1440268749;asciilifeform;add to a collection thereof, i suppose.
1248502;1440268758;mircea_popescu;i got one from yest, too :)
1248503;1440268768;mircea_popescu;mebbe they made a soup, who knows. ima ask teh girls.
1248504;1440268772;asciilifeform;they go well with tea
1248505;1440268775;asciilifeform;i was about to say.
1248506;1440268775;mircea_popescu;irc, an ADVENTURE!~
1248507;1440268801;mircea_popescu;incidentally, why the fuck is ^ called a caret. a caret is supposed to go below the line.
1248508;1440268810;asciilifeform;it is a CARROT
1248509;1440268813;asciilifeform;not a caret.
1248510;1440268815;mircea_popescu;oh i guess they were using it historicaly for the line above huh
1248511;1440268927;mircea_popescu;that weird feeling when you wake up at 4pm, everyone's gone to do useful stuffs and you have a pile of explanatory notes, aggregated foodstuffs and so forth.
1248512;1440268930;mircea_popescu;i feel like a very old man.
1248513;1440268963;mod6;ok i think i see what I did wrong here... just a minute.
1248514;1440269041;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248274 << you know this is ~extremely~ common. maybe even half the fine art privately owned / displayed at any time is fake.
1248515;1440269041;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 13:02:32; assbot: How a Chinese librarian made $6 million in forged art over two years | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEGQZh )
1248516;1440269070;asciilifeform;not common enough! if there are still $40mil auctions for'em
1248517;1440269079;mircea_popescu;that has nothin to do.
1248518;1440269094;asciilifeform;let ten quintillion indistinguishable fakeassos bloom.
1248519;1440269095;mircea_popescu;at the mental level where us adults are, $500 mn for soccer trading cards would not be amiss.
1248520;1440269103;asciilifeform;only if they can be provenanced.
1248521;1440269114;mircea_popescu;this is like "only if he can be voted into office"
1248522;1440269124;mircea_popescu;he'll be voted, if that's what keeps millions from raining.
1248523;1440269135;asciilifeform;nah, it doesn't work if someone can walk into a dark closet and emerge with two indistinguishable costly pet rocks.
1248524;1440269142;mircea_popescu;orly.
1248525;1440269144;asciilifeform;double-spend
1248526;1440269160;mircea_popescu;this is like, "it doesn't work if i come back home and there's TWO almost dressed blondies waiting for me"
1248527;1440269162;mircea_popescu;orly!
1248528;1440269193;asciilifeform;if can doublespend, can run arse-mouth system hose, and now you're using 'blondies' as construction material and can't give'em away fast enough
1248529;1440269203;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1248530;1440269207;asciilifeform;before you know it, they're boat ballast
1248531;1440269208;mircea_popescu;~= africa.
1248532;1440269325;asciilifeform;but, if understand correctly, there is an alternate hypothesis: the costly and elaborate 'authentification' is not to authenticate, but to annoint
1248533;1440269362;asciilifeform;rockefeller's vermeer is genuine and fuckyou because he is rockefeller; the one mr schmuck found in his cellar - will be annointed fake (or no one will even bother) unless it suits a rockefeller to bless it.
1248534;1440269396;asciilifeform;(so he can pick it up for $1000 and magick it into $40m)
1248535;1440269457;mircea_popescu;what part of doublethink you think got cancelled ? the man with two maja desnudas simply is twice as happy.
1248536;1440269469;asciilifeform;i am enthusiastically in favour of elaborate art fraudsters if they can ddos this process.
1248537;1440269476;mircea_popescu;this would be true if there existed a usg agency of authenticity.
1248538;1440269498;asciilifeform;not twice as happy if he can't buy 2x the turkeys
1248539;1440269504;mircea_popescu;speaking of goya, ever seen un coup fumant ?
1248540;1440269509;asciilifeform;can't say i have
1248541;1440269527;mircea_popescu;ancient film with toto. know him ?
1248542;1440269535;asciilifeform;nope
1248543;1440269548;mircea_popescu;italian comic of the war period.
1248544;1440269581;mircea_popescu;anyway, pretty much your idea : a wanna-be rockefeller (except fraudster-y) hires an eccentric copyer to make an intermediate maja
1248545;1440269595;mircea_popescu;(goya has a dressed maja and a nude one, they were goin to make "la maja en chemise")
1248546;1440269657;asciilifeform;pretty sure someone linked to a modern rerun of this concept, earlier.
1248547;1440269666;asciilifeform;(and i bet there are 25 films like this)
1248548;1440269672;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
1248549;1440269682;mircea_popescu;fine art is either fine for its fine-ness or then not even art at all.
1248550;1440269704;mircea_popescu;much like a good performance of a march does not get anulled through having been "not the original" and nobody sticks around to compare the brass instruments used
1248551;1440269719;mircea_popescu;("oh this march is from 1722 and then they put antimony in the brass. this march was a fake!)
1248552;1440269719;asciilifeform;surely
1248553;1440269743;asciilifeform;except that we have a handful of wealthy and demented folk who turned the whole shebang into a kind of primitive altcoin
1248554;1440269757;mircea_popescu;which is how 99% of these "fake fine art" arguments are settled - no eggyolk in the pigment or shit
1248555;1440269761;asciilifeform;aha
1248556;1440269765;asciilifeform;well-known, i thought.
1248557;1440269767;mircea_popescu;as fucking if.
1248558;1440269777;asciilifeform;(hence the linked article where chinese fella used vintage paper, ink)
1248559;1440269786;mircea_popescu;also, the thing is, it's perfectly legal to order and own, and trade etc COPIES
1248560;1440269792;mircea_popescu;not like the things are under copyright anymore.
1248561;1440269799;mircea_popescu;the only illegal part is fraud, obviously.
1248562;1440269809;mircea_popescu;so it's kinda a forgone conclusion, art authenticity.
1248563;1440269846;asciilifeform;but the pretence is maintained so rockefeller's stash can be inflationproof. and folks who try to fuck with the pretence, often Have Problems.
1248564;1440269854;*;mircea_popescu would not feel particularly better for owning the "actual" copy of a painting he likes rather than a very good one. actually i'd feel like a total fool.
1248565;1440269871;mircea_popescu;besides, the modern copy can be fix. i much prefer my own rewrites of classical poems to the originals anwyay.
1248566;1440269887;mircea_popescu;and the historical master's taste in women shows they never met any for crying out loud.
1248567;1440269887;asciilifeform;this is because mircea_popescu is still thinking of these items as artwork, to look at
1248568;1440269895;mircea_popescu;i don't remember any classical nude i like the face of.
1248569;1440269895;asciilifeform;lizards just keep'em in bottles of argon
1248570;1440269970;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this suggests a fine exercise for the esteemed lordship and beyond. not everything in this life is code, and a gentleman needs to study and know a loit more than rubies. so therefore : which classical nude do you like the face of ?
1248571;1440270017;mircea_popescu;but i don't mean copacetically like. i mean like like one's supposed to like art : un coup fumant. if she came off the toille you'd have no choice but to drop everything and marry her.
1248572;1440270031;asciilifeform;how about botticelli's venus ?
1248573;1440270058;mircea_popescu;i dunno, what you like is what you like. to me she seems dumb.
1248574;1440270072;asciilifeform;but least so
1248575;1440270072;mircea_popescu;much like maja has the face of a sly thirteen year old.
1248576;1440270076;asciilifeform;of all the ones i can recall.
1248577;1440270086;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to consort with preteens ffs.
1248578;1440270098;*;mircea_popescu looks again
1248579;1440270123;mircea_popescu;mneah. i dun like it, not my kinda woman.
1248580;1440270164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'на вкус и на цвет товарища нет' (tm) (r)
1248581;1440270169;asciilifeform;(how do you englisch that?)
1248582;1440270217;mircea_popescu;anyway. people like alma-tadema, godward etc do women that look more like adults
1248583;1440270239;mircea_popescu;"de gustibus" ?
1248584;1440270245;asciilifeform;^ approx.
1248585;1440270270;mircea_popescu;color and taste aren't comrades ?
1248586;1440270275;asciilifeform;no
1248587;1440270299;mircea_popescu;it literally sayz, za taste and za color, comrades not.
1248588;1440270347;asciilifeform;again no.
1248589;1440270355;mircea_popescu;wut are teh words mean!
1248590;1440270358;asciilifeform;for colour or taste, ain't no such thing as friend
1248591;1440270404;mircea_popescu;ooo yeah
1248592;1440270456;mircea_popescu;>in< color and taste there aren't comrades
1248593;1440270467;asciilifeform;aha.
1248594;1440270570;mircea_popescu;anyway, upon consideration venus does have to some degree the sharp features of the ideal fox. at least moreso than all the piefaces everyone wants to paint for some reason
1248595;1440270586;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Edouard_Manet_-_Luncheon_on_the_Grass_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg < wtf is that.
1248596;1440270589;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcFV1K )
1248597;1440270609;mircea_popescu;great idea, great painting, why does the woman's face look like it was peeled off asphalt pizza
1248598;1440270614;asciilifeform;ugh
1248599;1440270716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00070309 = 17.3663 BTC [-]
1248600;1440270807;mircea_popescu;from punkman's article :
1248601;1440270808;mircea_popescu;Authenticating a work of art is often difficult, and more difficult when the art is four or five hundred years old, and at least one tool for the expert, to wit, provenance, is often limited or non-existent. And, science (materials analysis) does not get us very far since many of the problems for Old Masters come right out of the artist's studio (think Rembrandt). Thus, for Old Masters at least, the expert is left to r
1248602;1440270808;mircea_popescu;ely almost entirely on expert opinion concerning the quality of the art, that is to say, is the quality of the art being examined of the quality expected of a painting by the artist�in this case, Caravaggio.
1248603;1440270808;mircea_popescu;And then, when the experts have come to their conclusion, and that conclusion is challenged in court, (as opposed to the marketplace or in critical writing), a judge must decide that the experts were right or wrong.
1248604;1440270810;asciilifeform;'in savour or hue, no comrades have you'
1248605;1440270816;asciilifeform;^ finally a working english.
1248606;1440270821;mircea_popescu;rank fucking nonsense. it should be clearly obvious this is not something the court can do.
1248607;1440270833;mircea_popescu;"oh, but we already do guilt and innocence, which are ALSO transcendents"
1248608;1440270842;mircea_popescu;"yes, but you do those BY SPECIAL MANDATE!.
1248609;1440270851;mircea_popescu;quo fucko warranto you do it for art, too!
1248610;1440270861;asciilifeform;hence why i said 'they annoint under pretence of adjudicating'
1248611;1440270873;asciilifeform;sop lizard service.
1248612;1440270904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have nfi why you think 'in savour or hue, no comrades have you' better than "in color or taste there's no comrades"
1248613;1440270939;asciilifeform;because it checksums.
1248614;1440270959;mircea_popescu;(it rhymes in russian because it's russian. a language from 1700! it needn't rhyme in english, unless we're going for faux-peasant wisdom)
1248615;1440270961;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyqntra
1248616;1440271011;mircea_popescu;incidentally, isn't this also strictly wrong ? wasn't it the case that the whole village ate ~the exact same dish~ every day forever ?
1248617;1440271021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00072009 = 24.5551 BTC [+] {3} 
1248618;1440271026;mircea_popescu;in romania it was polenta + cheese + onion cut up.
1248619;1440271034;asciilifeform;ate because it was 'on the menu'
1248620;1440271039;asciilifeform;not because 'we all love'
1248621;1440271041;mircea_popescu;but it did make comraderie.
1248622;1440271046;mircea_popescu;they did say so!
1248623;1440271048;asciilifeform;aha. so does prison.
1248624;1440271053;mircea_popescu;so then.
1248625;1440271062;mircea_popescu;but no, it is oft seen as an ideal.
1248626;1440271075;*;asciilifeform notice, did not sign it as 'ideal'
1248627;1440271085;mircea_popescu;"no, i dont think they were townpeople [ie idiots] because when sitting to repast they took out mamaliga cu brinza like normal pewople]
1248628;1440271109;mircea_popescu;no i mean, the common, standard foodl. regarded as ideal by the village prisoners.
1248629;1440271137;asciilifeform;!s american cheese
1248630;1440271138;assbot;13 results for 'american cheese' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=american+cheese
1248631;1440271145;asciilifeform;^ same effect, discussed in at least one old thread
1248632;1440271156;asciilifeform;folks will go and look for the shitsoup they grew up with, yes.
1248633;1440271172;*;mircea_popescu actually likes it, has it in argentina even.
1248634;1440271183;asciilifeform;which?
1248635;1440271186;mircea_popescu;perhaps the only time romania's ww1 peculiar dish was eaten here this millenium
1248636;1440271190;mircea_popescu;mamaliga cu brinza.
1248637;1440271198;asciilifeform;the porrige? nothing wrong with that
1248638;1440271232;mircea_popescu;it's usually boiled into solid. something like http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/cache/com_zoo/images/mamaliga-cu-branza-si-smantana_0021_008f3c26469f8cb5dd3dd0f6a0301d8a.JPG
1248639;1440271233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcGXuB )
1248640;1440271256;*;asciilifeform knows of this dish only from father, who travelled a good bit in ro
1248641;1440271285;asciilifeform;(in the old days)
1248642;1440271301;mircea_popescu;it's not really hard to make, need pot with water and coarse ground corn. and a woman that knows how long to boil it and what proportions.
1248643;1440271354;*;asciilifeform only learned how to make proper 'манная каша' (english, approx, 'cream of wheat') as an adult; and is still tempted to try doing it in a chemist's double boiler with magnetic stir bar
1248644;1440271371;mircea_popescu;casa's different
1248645;1440271381;asciilifeform;but mentioned because it suffers from same problem
1248646;1440271388;asciilifeform;has to be kept at low boil for entire time
1248647;1440271390;mircea_popescu;more heavily,  ithink
1248648;1440271391;mircea_popescu;yeah
1248649;1440271396;asciilifeform;and stirred or it bakes onto the pot
1248650;1440271399;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, got it figured: check here please: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1-test-20150822.patch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2-pre-test-20150822.patch
1248651;1440271400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h41BkQ )
1248652;1440271401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1h41BkS )
1248653;1440271412;asciilifeform;hence it is absolutely begging for chemist's boiler and magnetic stirrer
1248654;1440271433;mircea_popescu;ture.
1248655;1440271448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11168 @ 0.00072036 = 8.045 BTC [+] {2} 
1248656;1440271472;asciilifeform;mod6: these look superficially correct, but need to be 1) compared mechanically and 2) rebased as i spoke of earlier
1248657;1440271498;mod6;yup yup, i recall. just trying to make sure i'm on the right track so i don't waste everyones time :]
1248658;1440271504;asciilifeform;mod6: very much on right track
1248659;1440271568;mod6;good deal. i'll see what I can do about the mechanical checking and rebasing maybe later tonight, or tomorrow for sure.
1248660;1440271583;asciilifeform;mod6: neat
1248661;1440271632;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248275 << ever looked at this?: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/f_for_fake/
1248662;1440271632;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 13:05:58; punkman: "before he resigned from the library he realized that his trick had  occurred to someone else. Several of the paintings he made had been  replaced, his copies stolen. So the Academy was exhibiting fakes of  fakes and someone was selling, or trying to sell, art by Xiao."
1248663;1440271634;assbot;F for Fake (1974) - Rotten Tomatoes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcHxZv )
1248664;1440271698;mircea_popescu;For every auction sale, a catalogue is produced describing each painting to be sold. Every entry indicates the certainty with which Sotheby's is prepared to attribute it to a particular artist. The catalogue entry may describe a painting in the following ways: i) Simply putting the name of the artist, for example, �Giovanni Bellini,' means that, in Sotheby's opinion, the work is by Bellini. ii) Attributed to Giovanni
1248665;1440271698;mircea_popescu; Bellini means that, in Sotheby's opinion, this is probably a work by Bellini, but there is less certainty expressed as to authorship than in the preceding category. iii) Studio of Giovanni Bellini means that, in their opinion, this is a work by an unknown hand in the studio of Bellini, and it may or may not have been executed under his direction. iv) Circle of Giovanni Bellini means that, in their opinion, it is a wor
1248666;1440271698;mircea_popescu;k by an as yet unidentified but distinct hand, closely associated with Bellini but not necessarily his pupil. v) Style/Follower of Giovanni Bellini means that, in their opinion, this is a work by a painter working in Bellini's style, contemporary or nearly contemporary, but not necessarily his pupil. �Contemporary or nearly contemporary' means that it was painted within about 50 years of Bellini's work. vi) Manner of
1248667;1440271703;mircea_popescu; Giovanni Bellini means that in their opinion, this is a work in the style of Bellini and of a later date. vii) After Giovanni Bellini means that in their opinion, this is a copy of a known work of Bellini.
1248668;1440271713;mircea_popescu;check these people out, they have fine art authorship grading down to a fine art!
1248669;1440271786;asciilifeform;i can't wait till they start doing circus like this for, e.g., a pgp signature
1248670;1440271803;mircea_popescu;the merit of a pgp signature is that it delivers them from having to do this.
1248671;1440271807;asciilifeform;like that czech short story, author i can't recall, where a 'graphologist' is made to pronounce re: the authenticity of a typewritten page!
1248672;1440271816;mircea_popescu;do not think that the intelligent people caught like bubbles in the fiat mire are happy to be there.
1248673;1440271826;asciilifeform;proceeding from a mandated assumption that it was written by human hand
1248674;1440271831;mircea_popescu;this is commonly done! typewriters are handwriters.
1248675;1440271843;asciilifeform;yes, but not done as graphology
1248676;1440271848;mircea_popescu;nonono. there is such a thing as "identify typewriter"
1248677;1440271851;asciilifeform;but as own legit procedure, invented later
1248678;1440271851;asciilifeform;aha
1248679;1440271853;mircea_popescu;well yeah
1248680;1440271860;asciilifeform;this was prior.
1248681;1440271863;mircea_popescu;a ok
1248682;1440271890;ag3nt_zer0;"The final directorial project the legendary Orson Welles completed during his lifetime, F for Fake is less a documentary than an example of cinematic free association on the topic of trickery. Much of the film is in fact drawn from other sources, most notably an unfinished documentary by Francois Reichenbach on the notorious Elmyr de Hory, whose extremely skillful forgeries of famous paintings caused scandals amongst art
1248683;1440271917;ag3nt_zer0;of irony, de Hory's interviewer is author Clifford Irving, who became infamous due to a forgery of his own: a falsified autobiography of Howard Hughes. Welles openly re-edits and manipulates this footage, using it as a spine for his own commentary, arguing that there is an extremely close relationship between art and lying, and citing instances from his own career to prove the point."
1248684;1440271955;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248670 << i still see ~actual authentication~ as being ~incidental~ to these proceedings. as in j.e.hoover's famous quip 'justice is incidental to law and order'
1248685;1440271955;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 19:30:03; mircea_popescu: the merit of a pgp signature is that it delivers them from having to do this.
1248686;1440271970;asciilifeform;they don't 'have to', but want to. the conclusion is pre-ordained.
1248687;1440271994;mircea_popescu;i do not share this view.
1248688;1440272028;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 i dun think much of welles as a director.
1248689;1440272058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57650 @ 0.0007213 = 41.5829 BTC [+] {4} 
1248690;1440272119;ag3nt_zer0;ok, don't really have an opinion on him myself, but I thought that film was quite entertaining... like a cinematic hall of mirrors or something
1248691;1440272167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044114 - ergo, 'this vermeer, in the gallery of our esteemed lord rothchild, is genuine. this picasso, in the suitcase of this ragged thief and scoundrel, is most certainly questionable.'
1248692;1440272167;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
1248693;1440272182;ag3nt_zer0;and Irving and Elmyr are quite the characters haha
1248694;1440272195;asciilifeform;and the 'questionable' is 'surely genuine' when ragged man goes to jail and the canvas finds its way to lord rothchild.
1248695;1440272198;mircea_popescu;you have a strange equivocation of power an' legitimacy going on there, asciilifeform
1248696;1440272203;asciilifeform;hm?
1248697;1440272212;mircea_popescu;justice covers two different things.
1248698;1440272246;mircea_popescu;or how shall i put this, there are two types of question justice answers.
1248699;1440272291;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: who do you hold in high esteem as a director?
1248700;1440272297;mircea_popescu;felini.
1248701;1440272322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: two?
1248702;1440272360;mircea_popescu;but honestly, Visconti  is probably the best dirctor that ever lived.
1248703;1440272423;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. vaguely speaking, one's a contest among the crowd of boys. "everyone wants to be the one at the wheel, so who shall ?"
1248704;1440272441;ag3nt_zer0;thanks I will look
1248705;1440272446;mircea_popescu;the other's a more fundamental type of dispute, you could stilisize as "between man and god".
1248706;1440272460;asciilifeform;i see the proceedings of that court as similar to those of all modern courts: a continuation of the basic lie of 'rule of law', where 'it is not the sultan who condemns you to impalement, but the majesty of the law'
1248707;1440272463;mircea_popescu;roman practice suffered the tension, but also made it amply abundant
1248708;1440272466;asciilifeform;a legitimacy-washing.
1248709;1440272486;mircea_popescu;you do this because you don't recognise the fundamental tension, and so examples in one line cloud your estimation of the other.
1248710;1440272513;mircea_popescu;but you're familiar with the roman, and originally greek notions of "broke the laws of men and gods" yes ?
1248711;1440272518;asciilifeform;aha
1248712;1440272524;asciilifeform;the spray paint was thinner in those days
1248713;1440272528;mircea_popescu;this does not at all translate into civil and criminal
1248714;1440272546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81159 @ 0.00070855 = 57.5052 BTC [-] {2} 
1248715;1440272565;mircea_popescu;well look, you agree with the broad idea that no man made thing may endure without a place the buck stops ?
1248716;1440272570;asciilifeform;aha
1248717;1440272587;mircea_popescu;wheresoever that place is, whosoever sits in it, has the same twin problem no matter what.
1248718;1440272646;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 see "la terra trema". think that the film was made in the 1950s by using RANDOM LOCALS
1248719;1440272654;mircea_popescu;then tell me.
1248720;1440272663;asciilifeform;there was, i think, a third, more pressing problem: why ought the sultan rule, when he can invent bureaucracy and have amoebas rule in his stead, while he bangs 10,000 chicks/year and smokes opium
1248721;1440272671;asciilifeform;they solved it with 'law'.
1248722;1440272682;mircea_popescu;not so.
1248723;1440272719;mircea_popescu;for one thing, no opium smoker bangs 30 women a day even for two days straight,
1248724;1440272721;asciilifeform;consider, why is soviet law seen as a laughing stock ?
1248725;1440272735;asciilifeform;i would say it is only because it did not have centuries of decorative patina on it.
1248726;1440272740;mircea_popescu;because made by stupid people.
1248727;1440272745;asciilifeform;so it was apparent, and remains apparent, for what it is.
1248728;1440272746;mircea_popescu;why are ww2 soviet tanks a laughing stock ?
1248729;1440272758;asciilifeform;ask the germans if they laughed.
1248730;1440272775;mircea_popescu;ask stolje if he laughed at law.
1248731;1440272834;mircea_popescu;they're both equally ridiculous things, for the same exact reason : made "as best we could" by the russians of the time, who were peasants not lawmakers or tank makers. they have all the qualities of chinese farm steel.
1248732;1440272903;asciilifeform;(more complicated story, with tank. diesel motor was an unambiguous win, as all tank makers eventually came to know.)
1248733;1440272908;mircea_popescu;on the practical side, they both WORKED, if one's tolerant with the concept. soviet law maintained order in a larger thing than the us, better than the us managed.
1248734;1440272953;asciilifeform;except it was not, largely, 'law' which maintained order. 'law' was simply the religious incantation uttered by judge before a troublemaker was sent to meet his fate
1248735;1440272959;asciilifeform;rather than an actual decision-making mechanism
1248736;1440272972;asciilifeform;when this was no longer the case, the edifice began to fall apart.
1248737;1440272979;mircea_popescu;and the tank was not, strictly speaking, a tank.
1248738;1440272998;mircea_popescu;and whjen they gave up their random approach, they came up with the kv, an overengineered useless pos.
1248739;1440273032;asciilifeform;^ famous 'second-system effect'! like 'multics.' for that matter, it is an atrocity that scholarly discussions of 'second-system' and 'multics' do not mention the kv !
1248740;1440273046;mircea_popescu;because they're as ignorant as my dirty socks.
1248741;1440273056;mircea_popescu;yes, they were on my feet. they have cells descuamated off me even.
1248742;1440273061;mircea_popescu;whadda they know for it.
1248743;1440273120;asciilifeform;'Прощай КВ братишка наш!!!'
1248744;1440273132;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjWziqlm-Lw << obligatory
1248745;1440273133;assbot;Прощай КВ братишка наш!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcJRiU )
1248746;1440273213;mircea_popescu;ahaha wtf is this retarded shit
1248747;1440273217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57104 @ 0.00069548 = 39.7147 BTC [-]
1248748;1440273219;mircea_popescu;aaaahahaha
1248749;1440273257;asciilifeform;http://a-pesni.org/ww2/folk/gibeltankista.php << text
1248750;1440273258;assbot;По полю танки грохотали... (Гибель танкиста и т. д.) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcK062 )
1248751;1440273271;asciilifeform;one of those things that everybody knew the wordz to.
1248752;1440273283;mircea_popescu;no i know teh song lol.
1248753;1440273299;mircea_popescu;325 views ? "obligatory" ? is this like... made by your gf's younger brother or something ? howdja find it
1248754;1440273301;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV942i_zbzE << minus the tards, for anyone who needs it.
1248755;1440273302;assbot;На поле танки грохотали (Na Pole Tanki Grohotali) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcK4CY )
1248756;1440273309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from first stab
1248757;1440273350;mircea_popescu;see, these kids is the fundamental reason a) ru young women are well fucked (well means more than just a lot) and b) the chechens aren't isis.
1248758;1440273354;*;mircea_popescu likes.
1248759;1440273400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99133 @ 0.00069167 = 68.5673 BTC [-] {2} 
1248760;1440273407;mircea_popescu;does not even agree with "tards" to any degree. yes they sound like monkeys. this is not retarded for their age, healthy 17 yo boys sound like that.
1248761;1440273430;asciilifeform;nah. tards 'cause the thing wasn't full of saltpetre and didn't light well!
1248762;1440273434;asciilifeform;mine did
1248763;1440273456;mircea_popescu;but tard means something very anglo-speciffic.
1248764;1440273464;asciilifeform;perhaps.
1248765;1440273467;mircea_popescu;it means this 27 yo man that is indistinguishable from an 11 yo girl.
1248766;1440273492;asciilifeform;certain that the authors of the film were not this ?
1248767;1440273553;mircea_popescu;i am persuaded.
1248768;1440273566;asciilifeform;they have, after all, learned to manufacture those, back in ru.
1248769;1440273601;asciilifeform;gotta copy ~all~ american innovations, ya know.
1248770;1440273608;mircea_popescu;could be wrng, who knows.
1248771;1440273609;mircea_popescu;lol
1248772;1440273616;asciilifeform;but easiest ones get copied first!
1248773;1440273641;mircea_popescu;this being the only "american innovation" ?
1248774;1440273669;asciilifeform;nah, but a popular one for some reason.
1248775;1440274553;mircea_popescu;incidentally, even though modern pigments and computers and what have you, we're not being deluged in fine art, as "you'd expect" (if you were say orwell or some other dumb schmuck with the If a man cannot enjoy the return of spring, why should he be happy in a labour-saving Utopia? What will he do with the leisure that the machine will give him? I have always suspected that if our economic and political problems are e
1248776;1440274553;mircea_popescu;ver really solved, life will become simpler instead of more complex, and that the sort of pleasure one gets from finding the first primrose will loom larger than the sort of pleasure one gets from eating an ice to the tune of a Wurlitzer." thing)
1248777;1440274560;mircea_popescu;instead the stuff everywhere's remarkably gross.
1248778;1440274690;mircea_popescu;why ? why, because the redditar of 1600 thought himself blessed to "waste his life away" being a "from X's circle" at the very best. whereas the redditard of 2000 thinks his life too valuable to invest in anything. he is now a thinking man, don't you know, an intellectual - everyone's an intellectual that has computers, suddenly - and a tiny little Kitschhochadel in his own right!
1248779;1440274702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orwell assumed that full-scale human beings were a naturally-occurring product that could be taken for granted.
1248780;1440274728;mircea_popescu;yes. because he was a socialist, which is to say an idiot, and expected socialism, which always is "externalise costs" to be able to do so forever.
1248781;1440274733;mircea_popescu;who the hell knew EVERYTHING had a cost!
1248782;1440274752;mircea_popescu;what, you can't just print more money and the expectation to the contrary sinks early sopcialism ?
1248783;1440274765;asciilifeform;where in orwell do we see 'print money' ?
1248784;1440274771;mircea_popescu;no matter! we "learn from mistakes", ie, claim that "socialism wasn't actually tried" and try again. the same thing. this time, we're printing people.,
1248785;1440274785;mircea_popescu;what, still doesn't work ? NO MATTER!!!1 for we "learn from mistakes"
1248786;1440274794;mircea_popescu;the thief also learns from the dubious mistake of having been caught.
1248787;1440274807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we don't, he's advanced.
1248788;1440274820;mircea_popescu;he's not stupid v1, he's stupid v3.
1248789;1440274930;mircea_popescu;down with the shackles of this evil british empire of the blips which nevertheless creates the sort of people i like, even if i'm not actuaslly good enough to do anything in support. let's build utopia.
1248790;1440274951;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, it was dead long before he learned to read and write
1248791;1440274970;asciilifeform;what was he to do, cry over the corpse like his contemporaries? then we would not be reading!
1248792;1440274976;mircea_popescu;i did not say orwell was ineffectuial. i said he was stupid.
1248793;1440274984;mircea_popescu;yes the bridge is falling whether 5yo cheers it on or not.
1248794;1440274987;asciilifeform;i still want to picture a 'smart orwell'
1248795;1440274989;mircea_popescu;but the cheering 5yo is still dumbn
1248796;1440275032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : ;;google trilema napier
1248797;1440275059;asciilifeform;at one point, iirc, he quotes the mega-liturgical 'The rich man in his castle, / The poor man at his gate, / God made them, high or lowly, / And ordered their estate.' as an example of the kind of thing that killing christianity finally nailed, and he can't bring himself to miss it
1248798;1440275082;asciilifeform;but i don't see that this necessarily qualifies him as a tard. how is one to love something which is incompatible with your own existence ?
1248799;1440275090;mircea_popescu;a) never was this nailed, anymore than the sun rising is "nailed".
1248800;1440275104;mircea_popescu;and the poor array of the marbles in his head's his problem.
1248801;1440275118;mircea_popescu;"So perverse is mankind that every nationality prefers to be misgoverned by its own people than to be well ruled by another."
1248802;1440275123;mircea_popescu;that's smart orwell for you.
1248803;1440275144;asciilifeform;can be extended to individual, as well.
1248804;1440275169;mircea_popescu;so it can. except the individual has the valid excuse of the sexual imperative
1248805;1440275173;mircea_popescu;but countries are unsexuate
1248806;1440275174;asciilifeform;ergo the old thread re: why a sp4mz0r wants to 'make $ while sleep'
1248807;1440275179;mircea_popescu;(which is why they're referred in the feminine)
1248808;1440275259;asciilifeform;orwell, like - i suspect - a great many folks, carried out the algo where 'i want the kind of world in which i and others like me can sleep ad libitum and eat well' - and turned that into 'philosophy'
1248809;1440275282;mircea_popescu;yes, the philosophy of a five year old.
1248810;1440275292;mircea_popescu;which is why i say socialism is for stupid people and the mark of their stupidity.
1248811;1440275347;mircea_popescu;every fucking year you get at least one of the imbecile "why should i have to take an exam".
1248812;1440275349;mircea_popescu;every fucking year.
1248813;1440275353;mircea_popescu;and each one thinks he invented it.
1248814;1440275399;asciilifeform;the way i read him, he saw 'socialism' (in the sense of industry having a single mega-imperial owner) as a done deal, with the only question being whether the end result would have a gestapo flavour, british ponce buggery flavour, or some other
1248815;1440275446;mircea_popescu;that part i wasnt even discussing, the "economic" side so to speak. yes, moist people are dumb and industry has no need of them, so from their perspertive industry's run by aliens. fine.
1248816;1440275452;mircea_popescu;but i meant in the more homely sense.
1248817;1440275551;asciilifeform;elaborate?
1248818;1440275585;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and btw, thinking about it - i now realise visconti, the son of the duke visconti no less, actually is the one example of resistence through culture known. his terra trema was paid for by the communist party. and in it he delivers such a trashing to the pious frauds of the communists as has never before seen.
1248819;1440275611;mircea_popescu;the most important film in support of sanity is a story of poor but stupid sicilian fishermen paid for by fucking stalin.
1248820;1440275639;mircea_popescu;and i meant in the more homely sense, socialist-books and socialist-philosophy and what have you. not socialist-economy.
1248821;1440275718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00071101 = 58.9072 BTC [+] {3} 
1248822;1440275774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what books and philosophy of his time ought he have reviewed instead ?
1248823;1440275798;mircea_popescu;the germans. heidegger.
1248824;1440275798;asciilifeform;evola? prolly smelled too much of gestapo, triggered anaphylactic allergic shock in mr o
1248825;1440275802;mircea_popescu;kant.
1248826;1440275822;asciilifeform;as a cultured man, he likely read'em. but i spoke specifically of 'his time'
1248827;1440275824;asciilifeform;as in, his reviews
1248828;1440275831;asciilifeform;the man was a newspaper columnist.
1248829;1440275832;mircea_popescu;bullshit, read.
1248830;1440275835;mircea_popescu;and heidegger is his own time.
1248831;1440275843;mircea_popescu;that is an excuse ?
1248832;1440275845;asciilifeform;then likely allergic to germans ?
1248833;1440275856;mircea_popescu;how about "allergic to work".
1248834;1440275866;asciilifeform;and of course to work!
1248835;1440275872;mircea_popescu;http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part37
1248836;1440275875;assbot;Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDzJTv )
1248837;1440275880;mircea_popescu;nbo dude, not OF COURSE TO WORK omfg,
1248838;1440275913;mircea_popescu;the "Worker's party" of stupid people and lazy people who figure hey, if worker's in the title above the door work does itself somehow
1248839;1440275916;mircea_popescu;we'll just sing and dance.
1248840;1440275939;mircea_popescu;everyone in this country got nothing but "trabajador" in his mouth, and no one's done an honest stitch of work since 1924
1248841;1440275971;asciilifeform;idk, i saw a good number of cabbies, cooks, over there. not worked ?
1248842;1440275994;mircea_popescu;those keep their mouth shut.
1248843;1440276002;mircea_popescu;i meant of the orwell class.
1248844;1440276018;mircea_popescu;two-and-sixpence intellectuals of "newspaper columnist:
1248845;1440276307;mircea_popescu;(for the younger log reader, "two-and-sixpence" is not random, but a century ago made half a crown. it is used in a sense similar to "too clever by half", because that's really what half a crown is. worse than either a whole crown or no crown at all. at least in the context of this discussion)
1248846;1440276470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform come to think of it - he has a deeply unwarranted sense of superiority over shaw. easily the most important  thinker of the period in all the english speaking lands.
1248847;1440276482;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is also based on not having read.
1248848;1440276755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50559 @ 0.00068366 = 34.5652 BTC [-] {2} 
1248849;1440277709;mircea_popescu;anyway, the main problem with that art ruling thing, getting back to it, is that revisionism in inflation is a bitch. specifically, that sale was in 2006, before the first bout of "quantitative easing". most art of all description sells today for 10x to 100x what it did two decades ago, simply because dollars today, and euros today, are scarcely worth 10 cents. (no, this does not mean nothing to the slaves that spend "
1248850;1440277710;mircea_popescu;their" "dollars" to buy from mcdonalds and zara. money only means money in the hands of the people who can use it independently, and what someone with tens of millions to his name was in 1995, is what someone wit ha billion to his name today. i'd know.)
1248851;1440277724;mircea_popescu;so in plain point of fact "the guy would have gotten more in the alternative world" bla bla bla.
1248852;1440277731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99050 @ 0.0006842 = 67.77 BTC [+]
1248853;1440277778;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: it's a joke, man.
1248854;1440277897;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well, yes. art is used precisely like bitcoin, but by the enemy.
1248855;1440277918;mircea_popescu;not by the enemy, but by the kulaks behind enemy lines.
1248856;1440277940;asciilifeform;by the architects of the sum total of extant misfortune.
1248857;1440277960;mircea_popescu;i am not convinced.
1248858;1440277970;mircea_popescu;why do you think so ?
1248859;1440277971;asciilifeform;what, the rembrandt owners couldn't turn inflation off like a tap ?
1248860;1440277976;mircea_popescu;could not, no.
1248861;1440277984;mircea_popescu;what, stalin couldn't turn off stupid like a tap ?
1248862;1440277997;mircea_popescu;hitler could have took a stand in 1940 against antisemitism!
1248863;1440278027;mircea_popescu;only i have the privilege to stand up here and say something of the kind. because i'm part of a fucking republic.
1248864;1440278029;asciilifeform;who cancelled gold standard? omnipotent martians?
1248865;1440278032;mircea_popescu;these people don't have a forum.
1248866;1440278033;asciilifeform;or earth elite
1248867;1440278064;mircea_popescu;gold standard was cancelled by the mass of idiots.
1248868;1440278076;mircea_popescu;who went by the "why should something be a standard if what it says is, we don't get any and stfu"
1248869;1440278081;asciilifeform;since when can 'mass of idiots' make any permanent mark at all?
1248870;1440278086;asciilifeform;somebody took'em off the leash.
1248871;1440278088;mircea_popescu;exactly like they go "oh, why should i read trilema if trilema says i'm broken"
1248872;1440278091;asciilifeform;these folks - own rembrandts.
1248873;1440278098;mircea_popescu;they are punishing me, see, like they punished the gold standard. in their own heads.
1248874;1440278114;mircea_popescu;haha, someone took them off the leash. ww2 took them off the leash./
1248875;1440278128;mircea_popescu;and the napoleonic wars before that.
1248876;1440278136;asciilifeform;if you ask moldy, it was cromwell
1248877;1440278139;asciilifeform;but no matter
1248878;1440278139;mircea_popescu;and the german uprisings during calvin before that. and so on.
1248879;1440278210;phf;(was it in the logs, guy brings authentic X "passed through family", gets accused of stealing, because "you're poor, so can't possibly have X")
1248880;1440278220;asciilifeform;at any rate, what, the rembrandt owners couldn't sell the crap off (to usg, even. it's buying), buy btc, and send to isis?
1248881;1440278226;asciilifeform;what does their refusal to do so make'em ?
1248882;1440278233;mircea_popescu;understand : we have the liberty to decide tomorrow that gavin was right. or that bitcoin is stupid. or that whatever else. all this because liberty AT ALL.
1248883;1440278237;mircea_popescu;but there is no liberty outside.
1248884;1440278252;mircea_popescu;so, no. kulaks behind enemy lines made no decisions.
1248885;1440278255;asciilifeform;phf: yes, in the logs; a german fella
1248886;1440278259;asciilifeform;phf: and it is absolutely routine
1248887;1440278266;mircea_popescu;and they are responsible and shall hang for the decisions they didn't make.
1248888;1440278278;asciilifeform;^ is what i was getting at.
1248889;1440278285;mircea_popescu;phf "passed through family" in that context is always a miserable cop out.
1248890;1440278296;mircea_popescu;somehow never is anyone in that family someone with a registered key.
1248891;1440278298;mircea_popescu;magically.
1248892;1440278310;mircea_popescu;so i do not credit it nearly as much as you two seem to.
1248893;1440278321;asciilifeform;here is a 'fun experiment' - get caught somewhere in a 'civilized' country with a trunk full of gold bar
1248894;1440278335;asciilifeform;or even humble benjies
1248895;1440278340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand what i mean by "in the wot" in that context ?
1248896;1440278342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9747 @ 0.000722 = 7.0373 BTC [+]
1248897;1440278359;asciilifeform;not certain that i do ?
1248898;1440278388;mircea_popescu;suppose i have a work picasso himself signed with the title "stanislav's teapot shaped head"
1248899;1440278403;mircea_popescu;and i explain that this comes to me "through family".
1248900;1440278435;mircea_popescu;except this "through family" claim is documented through five different testations, and it so happens that my uncle was a picasso expert who wrote extensively of this picasso work his brother owned.
1248901;1440278436;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1248902;1440278438;mircea_popescu;my claim is good.
1248903;1440278438;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/A_Figure_of_Speech_or_a_Figure_of_Thought_Part_1-by_Ananda_Coomaraswamy.aspx
1248904;1440278440;assbot;"A Figure of Speech, or a Figure of Thought?" (Part 1) - an essay by Ananda K. Coomaraswamy ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLD58Y )
1248905;1440278454;mircea_popescu;now suppose i "own" the same, "in the family", but my family is a bunch of poor peasants from honduras.
1248906;1440278457;mircea_popescu;wut "in family" ?
1248907;1440278466;mircea_popescu;let me show you "in the family".
1248908;1440278474;ag3nt_zer0;Coomaraswamy is fascinating "art historian"
1248909;1440278482;mircea_popescu;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23349744 << that's in the family.
1248910;1440278483;assbot;Stolen Picasso and Monet art 'burned' in Romanian oven - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLD9FR )
1248911;1440278488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta what i said in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005374
1248912;1440278488;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 22:35:01; asciilifeform: 'mr x, you're a registered pauper, but is that a first class air ticket you're holding? where'dyagetthat'
1248913;1440278499;mircea_popescu;well of course ?!
1248914;1440278500;asciilifeform;to which you answered 'and then i say i found it on the street.'
1248915;1440278506;mircea_popescu;what worth is an undocumented claim ?
1248916;1440278512;mircea_popescu;we reject these here on a daily basis!
1248917;1440278518;asciilifeform;to the inquisitor - naturally nothing
1248918;1440278531;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-08-2015#1246288
1248919;1440278531;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 23:05:51; ahmed_bodi: Occasional trader. remember trading with a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore
1248920;1440278535;mircea_popescu;what is that claim to you ?
1248921;1440278548;mircea_popescu;guy's obviously a scammer fishing for soft support, decimation style.
1248922;1440278551;asciilifeform;except that the two situations are dissimilar
1248923;1440278554;mircea_popescu;how ?
1248924;1440278559;asciilifeform;pgp is a hard litmus
1248925;1440278564;mircea_popescu;so is this.
1248926;1440278572;asciilifeform;the picasso authentication folks purport to be authenticating the canvas,
1248927;1440278579;asciilifeform;but really are testing blueness of blood.
1248928;1440278582;mircea_popescu;here's the litmus : "what part of this alleged family HAPPENED IN THE FORUM ?"
1248929;1440278614;asciilifeform;not saying that somehow there ~ought~ to be a way for the peasant to cash his picasso in
1248930;1440278622;mircea_popescu;so then what are you saying ?
1248931;1440278628;asciilifeform;but that the claim that the picasso is the object being tested is a crock of shit
1248932;1440278629;mircea_popescu;there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso
1248933;1440278631;asciilifeform;it is the man who is tested.
1248934;1440278637;mircea_popescu;not anymore than there's a way for him to own plutonium.
1248935;1440278642;asciilifeform;and it usually doesn't take long.
1248936;1440278647;mircea_popescu;ownership is not an objective thing.,
1248937;1440278650;mircea_popescu;ownership is a convention
1248938;1440278652;asciilifeform;^
1248939;1440278655;mircea_popescu;it is wrong to say "the man is tested
1248940;1440278658;mircea_popescu;the WOT is tested.
1248941;1440278660;asciilifeform;aha.
1248942;1440278664;mircea_popescu;no relations, NO RELATION!
1248943;1440278669;asciilifeform;i don't think we actually disagree here.
1248944;1440278675;mircea_popescu;so then what do you protest ?!
1248945;1440278688;asciilifeform;the pretence of the scumbag 'authenticity' judges
1248946;1440278692;asciilifeform;and auctioneers.
1248947;1440278695;mircea_popescu;"i owned it since forever" "who ever saw it ?" "only mute people"
1248948;1440278698;asciilifeform;with their idiot rituals
1248949;1440278702;mircea_popescu;i do not see it.
1248950;1440278745;mircea_popescu;if you claim that "hilary clinton is my wife" on the grounds of "she was always in my family" should your claim stand ?
1248951;1440278755;mircea_popescu;against the nonsensical vacuum of anyone ever having seen this ?
1248952;1440278758;mircea_popescu;no wedding pictures?
1248953;1440278762;mircea_popescu;you never went anywhere as a couple ?
1248954;1440278764;mircea_popescu;she did, with others ?
1248955;1440278765;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1248956;1440278796;mircea_popescu;yes, people will consider you're abject, after this claim. but the claim was disposed not on the grounds of who you are, but on the grounds of what proof was had.
1248957;1440278972;asciilifeform;my other, separate statement was 'godspeed to anyone successfully faking and debasing their inflationhedgemachines'
1248958;1440278975;asciilifeform;separate item.
1248959;1440278982;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1248960;1440279030;mircea_popescu;you'll notice however that the debasement is very well controlled in the same manner fed controlls the dollar.
1248961;1440279041;mircea_popescu;they keep pumping more kids in as they need to keep the denominations low enough.
1248962;1440279047;hanbot;<asciilifeform> it is the man who is tested.  << http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/#comment-90231
1248963;1440279048;assbot;Bitcoin and the poor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLE6hf )
1248964;1440279053;*;mircea_popescu knows random romanian kid that sold for ~1.5mn last year
1248965;1440279056;mircea_popescu;because why not
1248966;1440279105;asciilifeform;hanbot: what i meant was, tested for 'blue blood' and not anything else. certainly not intelligence, or culture.
1248967;1440279114;mircea_popescu;...
1248968;1440279124;mircea_popescu;the test still is "who among you has a wot account"!
1248969;1440279146;asciilifeform;aha.
1248970;1440279151;hanbot;which condenses to "who among you has/d the intelligence to get in the wot", neh?
1248971;1440279167;mircea_popescu;http://www.jeg.ro/part-2-looking-at-the-art-world-over-adrian-ghenie-s-shoulder-and-why-i-hate-it-or-love-it-not-sure/ < kid in question
1248972;1440279170;assbot;Part 2: Looking at the art world over Adrian Ghenie’s shoulder and why I hate it or love it. Not sure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLEk84 )
1248973;1440279170;asciilifeform;hanbot: are you in their wot ?
1248974;1440279187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's fucking trivial to get in said wot.
1248975;1440279190;asciilifeform;rly
1248976;1440279193;mircea_popescu;yes rly.
1248977;1440279198;asciilifeform;describe?
1248978;1440279222;mircea_popescu;a) go to classical/art college ; b) go to auction house intern position ; c) write for whoever will publish about art and do a good job.
1248979;1440279234;mircea_popescu;won't take 10 years, at how condensed timeframes are now. used to be 35-50.
1248980;1440279247;asciilifeform;i'm not sure how an algo that requires me to get reborn as another person can be described as 'trivial'.
1248981;1440279262;mircea_popescu;yes, well, what's your algo to become cussack ?
1248982;1440279262;asciilifeform;'how to fly? 1) be a bird'
1248983;1440279269;mircea_popescu;THAT is a wot you're not getting in.
1248984;1440279271;phf;"You? Impossible! A mason?" "A mason," I replied. "A sign," he said, "a sign." "It is this," I answered, producing from beneath the folds of my roquelaire a trowel.
1248985;1440279279;mircea_popescu;but your argument is flawed, which i know personally, and ill tell you why
1248986;1440279290;mircea_popescu;one of my dearest teachers in college, at the time a respected doctor, retired
1248987;1440279302;mircea_popescu;and started a career in art, specifically painting scholarship
1248988;1440279308;mircea_popescu;and he is now a foremost authority in his field.
1248989;1440279318;mircea_popescu;i have with mine two eyes seen this, and so...
1248990;1440279323;asciilifeform;and he turned up with an undiscovered picasso and it sold for 40m ?
1248991;1440279332;mircea_popescu;no, for his field was not cubism
1248992;1440279337;asciilifeform;$picasso
1248993;1440279339;mircea_popescu;yes.
1248994;1440279358;mircea_popescu;(his field was 1800s ro painting, which incidentally is pretty rich.)
1248995;1440279362;asciilifeform;and sold ?
1248996;1440279372;mircea_popescu;yes sold. he re-evalued numerous items.
1248997;1440279376;asciilifeform;neato.
1248998;1440279382;mircea_popescu;in the upper 100s at the very least.
1248999;1440279421;asciilifeform;so from the wot pov, it is not an atrocity that if usg enforcers find me with a metric tonne of benjie bills in bags, they will take'em ?
1249000;1440279438;asciilifeform;if the story of why i have them isn't plausible enough
1249001;1440279460;asciilifeform;'in the family' 'stow it'
1249002;1440279473;mircea_popescu;well, it is an atrocity, because bills were itnended to be carrier notes.
1249003;1440279480;mircea_popescu;but they re-defined them, apparently, to be a sort of cheques.
1249004;1440279497;mircea_popescu;the part where they seem to also have forgotten to tell anyone is also atrrocious
1249005;1440279497;asciilifeform;and the vermeer was intended as a wall decoration ?
1249006;1440279500;asciilifeform;and also redefined
1249007;1440279508;mircea_popescu;but in principle a parliament is not required to allow carrier notes in its realm.
1249008;1440279538;mircea_popescu;i don't see how your simile works.
1249009;1440279569;asciilifeform;in both cases there is a kind of sham going on
1249010;1440279579;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1249011;1440279586;asciilifeform;one where the lie is publicly told that 'if you have a picasso, it is yours, and you're worth 40m'
1249012;1440279593;mircea_popescu;no such thing was told.
1249013;1440279601;asciilifeform;rather than the reality, where it is really a trapping of power, like king's scepter
1249014;1440279610;mircea_popescu;i don't know that ever in the history of civilisation was fine art a bearer document.
1249015;1440279626;mircea_popescu;now, this was true of money, or more specifically, of currency
1249016;1440279633;mircea_popescu;in fact that's what the word even means.
1249017;1440279668;asciilifeform;it is a regular occurrence in usa that some schmuck find $canvas at an estate sale, then cleans it, it gets taken off his hands for a few hundy, and then a blueblood naturally converts it to 40m by getting it WoTed.
1249018;1440279687;mircea_popescu;nobody forces him to go through the "taken off" step.
1249019;1440279703;asciilifeform;now this is true!
1249020;1440279709;mircea_popescu;it used to be a regular occurence in the usa that some cowboy owned some land, got it taken off his hands, buyer became oil baron
1249021;1440279716;asciilifeform;and i'll have it be known that if i ever come across one, i will burn it. on high-def camera.
1249022;1440279717;mircea_popescu;but one is not required to sell, be your own oil baron.
1249023;1440279784;asciilifeform;not quite best analogy - theoretically a plebe may drill for oil (if the local rulers permit it)
1249024;1440279788;mircea_popescu;anyway, this expectation that some sort of nativism trumps wot is not unlike that swanson's fellow's expectation to tell me "how debates are done".
1249025;1440279793;mircea_popescu;what is this, kauai ?
1249026;1440279869;asciilifeform;naturally their wot is at work
1249027;1440279875;asciilifeform;but it is a wot of vampires of mankind.
1249028;1440279884;asciilifeform;(who said they couldn't have a wot?)
1249029;1440279909;asciilifeform;and they do indeed peddle false inclusivity at every turn.
1249030;1440279915;mircea_popescu;of vampires of wut!?
1249031;1440279931;asciilifeform;of everybody-who-isnt-rothchild ?
1249032;1440279954;asciilifeform;approximately.
1249033;1440280010;mircea_popescu;can you say something more substantial of this than plain if third hand echos of 1970s soviet postcards ?
1249034;1440280023;asciilifeform;possibly.
1249035;1440280071;mircea_popescu;so. b-a is the irc channel where vampires of mankind gather, to discuss how to lower into pederasty the teenaged daughters of hard working social media wokers.
1249036;1440280106;asciilifeform;nah, the socialmedia folks are enforcers of the actual vampires.
1249037;1440280119;asciilifeform;i still don't see how they could have come to exist in any other way
1249038;1440280239;mircea_popescu;...
1249039;1440280247;mircea_popescu;this sounds like special pleading and nothing more.
1249040;1440280284;asciilifeform;let's try example? the american universities who pioneered socialist claptrap. did they get cut off from endowments by american industrialists for doing so? 1900s
1249041;1440280289;asciilifeform;iirc none did.
1249042;1440280314;mircea_popescu;so ?
1249043;1440280350;asciilifeform;so 'social media' is a a handcrafted monster of very real elites, rather than a plague of locusts that came out of nowhere
1249044;1440280383;mircea_popescu;...
1249045;1440280389;mircea_popescu;dja know what special pleading means ?
1249046;1440280402;asciilifeform;apparently not ?
1249047;1440280439;mircea_popescu;special pleading is a category of pleading, which is a category of speech, which happens in the forum, where the speaker proposes that one member of a category be different from the others on no grounds.
1249048;1440280466;asciilifeform;but proposed a hypothesis about whole class here
1249049;1440280476;mircea_popescu;you don't get to pick the class.
1249050;1440280494;mircea_popescu;the class at issue is the class which includes that "they" and that other "they" and also "us".
1249051;1440280523;mircea_popescu;so you say "they came as locusts" ? so did we. ask the power rangers.
1249052;1440280560;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu's intel tells him that the power rangers see us as locust plague, i'll believe him; but from my chair i cannot see this.
1249053;1440280571;asciilifeform;afaik they don't see us at all.
1249054;1440280598;mircea_popescu;sure, and exact same could be argued (and has been argued, by people arguing from your same chari) about trhe evil capitalists which "do not even see the common people they vampirize"
1249055;1440280599;mircea_popescu;herp.
1249056;1440280754;*;asciilifeform doesn't object to elites per se (sorta like objecting to gravity) or to hereditary wealth (also rather like objecting to gravity) but arguing for the degeneracy of a particular set of people
1249057;1440280765;asciilifeform;like hapsburgs. do we miss'em ?
1249058;1440280772;asciilifeform;do we miss romanovs ?
1249059;1440280808;mircea_popescu;you did not phrase it in those terms.
1249060;1440280822;mircea_popescu;i don't think there's any
1249061;1440280835;mircea_popescu;debate that teh peoples involved have little juice left in the ballsac.
1249062;1440280846;asciilifeform;idk, i thought 'godspeed to fakers of vermeers' and 'good bilderberg is a dead bilderberg' was pretty clear..?
1249063;1440280885;asciilifeform;and also idk, for an empty ballsack it's jizzing pretty well
1249064;1440280907;asciilifeform;but i don't have mircea_popescu's intel. only My Arse (tm)
1249065;1440280974;mircea_popescu;lol
1249066;1440280997;mircea_popescu;well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it.
1249067;1440281020;mircea_popescu;perhaps by this notion same peasant who finds young dutchess and "always had her in family" should ALSO keep her
1249068;1440281032;mircea_popescu;which is quite contradictory with all the soaps the peasant women watch, which all reduce to
1249069;1440281037;asciilifeform;the explanation involving cheques/promissory notes was pretty neat
1249070;1440281043;mircea_popescu;"pretty miss dutchess found by peasants - they didn't get to keep her"
1249071;1440281044;asciilifeform;it makes the subject click in my head.
1249072;1440281049;mircea_popescu;aok
1249073;1440281091;asciilifeform;sorta like if a pauper finds a ring of keys - he doesn't get to own the house and car.
1249074;1440281109;asciilifeform;(and this happens to be one of the reasons why many folks barf at bitcoin...)
1249075;1440281137;mircea_popescu;technically money, in its circulatory form (ie, currency - to distinguish from the money as unit of account, for instance) was coins and bank-notes. coins are now disused, for entirely practical reasons ; and bank-notes come in those two flavours. moving from one to the other isn't THAT big a leap.
1249076;1440281175;asciilifeform;aha. i think every kid in usa knows of the $1000 bill, for instance.
1249077;1440281184;asciilifeform;(and perhaps even saw it in a museum)
1249078;1440281209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00070964 = 42.0817 BTC [-]
1249079;1440281210;asciilifeform;but don't be caught with one on the street, yes.
1249080;1440281264;asciilifeform;though now i'm hard-pressed to see how fdr's confiscation of gold is illegitimate under the framework outlined in this thread
1249081;1440281265;mircea_popescu;for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your trouble"
1249082;1440281284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it did prevail in the justice of the time, did it not.
1249083;1440281300;asciilifeform;so did the wickard v filburn
1249084;1440281312;asciilifeform;which was really just 'fdr gets to do whatever the fuck he wants'
1249085;1440281331;mircea_popescu;how do you propose to run a country ?
1249086;1440281362;asciilifeform;fortunately it is not in my job description! but no shortage of historic examples to choose from..
1249087;1440281369;mircea_popescu;and misunderstand.
1249088;1440281375;asciilifeform;inescapably.
1249089;1440281387;mircea_popescu;"how do you propose to make diff work ?" "above my pay grade chief, but here's a website with code snippets"
1249090;1440281394;asciilifeform;but i don't recall qin zhihuangdi, or peter I, or alexander, prohibiting gold
1249091;1440281414;mircea_popescu;orly.
1249092;1440281420;mircea_popescu;i recall the roman REPUBLIC prohibiting gold
1249093;1440281424;mircea_popescu;so much so they all had to bury it.
1249094;1440281429;asciilifeform;unlike orwell, i don't see totalitarian prison state as automagically flowing from modern tech
1249095;1440281440;mircea_popescu;nothing flows fropm tech except for more tech
1249096;1440281450;mircea_popescu;that's the thing. technology is intellectually sterile.
1249097;1440281451;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes. didn't say 'no one did this', just 'no shortage of sane examples'
1249098;1440281467;asciilifeform;of folks who did not.
1249099;1440281471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your no shortage of "sane examples" refers to an abundance of "convenient retelliungs"
1249100;1440281503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, i know fdr and co.'s explanation of why they 'had to' confiscate
1249101;1440281517;mircea_popescu;tell it to me.
1249102;1440281603;asciilifeform;crash of '29; massive capital misallocations plus natural disasters and misharvests; hordes of paupers demanding to be fed gratis, or failing that, given makework; fdr & co debase currency, make it happen.
1249103;1440281638;asciilifeform;(yes, moar complicated, and could - and has - fill a bookcase. but this is the 1line version in my head)
1249104;1440281665;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/US-%24100000-GC-1934-Fr-2413.jpg
1249105;1440281666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpuPFl )
1249106;1440281678;asciilifeform;^ aha, them too
1249107;1440281690;asciilifeform;iirc that was the biggest
1249108;1440281709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do me a favour, read http://trilema.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/ then we can continue this conversation
1249109;1440281710;assbot;De pe cind eram io mai tinar on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpuVgl )
1249110;1440281721;mircea_popescu;(can you actually read stuff like that or should i provide a summary instead ?)
1249111;1440281750;*;asciilifeform reads..
1249112;1440282179;mircea_popescu;!up antonosika
1249113;1440282195;antonosika;thx.
1249114;1440282215;antonosika;!register 101F52A1B302AB64E82BC090E813577509B35230
1249115;1440282215;assbot;Nick antonosika is already taken.
1249116;1440282257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think i get it..
1249117;1440282277;mircea_popescu;"i am taking this from you because you're too stupid to have it". and they knew this is true, and SIGHED THEIR RELIEF.
1249118;1440282280;mircea_popescu;that's what it is.
1249119;1440282281;asciilifeform;aha.
1249120;1440282289;asciilifeform;spiffy piece btw
1249121;1440282301;asciilifeform;consider posting in other languages.
1249122;1440282317;mircea_popescu;what, reddit doesn't have enough to spaz over ?
1249123;1440282318;antonosika;If I do not have access to my backup key, and have a new comp  - what proof would work to claim the long party as antonosika?
1249124;1440282330;mircea_popescu;you need your key.
1249125;1440282354;asciilifeform;'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question!' (tm) (r) (babbage)
1249126;1440282369;antonosika;What if no one claims a future?
1249127;1440282378;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: can we wire this to !babbage or the like, l0l
1249128;1440282398;mircea_popescu;eh what, moar spam ?
1249129;1440282417;asciilifeform;nah just tired of retyping it.
1249130;1440282457;asciilifeform;antonosika: what does it mean, 'if no one claims a future' ?
1249131;1440282473;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248382 << what was wrong there?
1249132;1440282473;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 16:18:02; asciilifeform: importantly, these need to be detached (own file) signatures. specifically ~not~ like this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000150.html
1249133;1440282485;phf;"found nick, has been in generation for years"
1249134;1440282490;mircea_popescu;lol
1249135;1440282493;asciilifeform;punkman: a .sig file should consist wholly of the detached sig
1249136;1440282502;punkman;asciilifeform: and it wasn't?
1249137;1440282503;asciilifeform;punkman: i should not have to munge it.
1249138;1440282506;mircea_popescu;phf  do you actually speak russian to the women ?
1249139;1440282512;asciilifeform;punkman: correct, there were extraneous bytes in the linked example.
1249140;1440282523;asciilifeform;that it, outside of the ----BEGIN .... ----END...
1249141;1440282576;mats;;;gpg info antonosika
1249142;1440282576;gribble;User 'antonosika', with keyid 86AC5789F93ED2E7, fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat Aug  9 17:27:20 2014, last authed on Tue Aug 26 10:21:38 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=antonosika . Currently not authenticated.
1249143;1440282584;punkman;asciilifeform: I don't see it
1249144;1440282586;mats;no bitcoin address, think you're fucked, mate
1249145;1440282587;antonosika;Thanks.
1249146;1440282623;antonosika;I am antonosika fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. I'll do anything to prove it. I'm looking forward to claim a future contract. But I do not have access to my secret key.
1249147;1440282626;asciilifeform;punkman: actually you're right, i misread. assumed that the sig in the text is the sig in question
1249148;1440282637;asciilifeform;punkman: but apparently jurov's turdatron accepts a standalong sig with no payload..
1249149;1440282648;asciilifeform;this actually means that it is vulnerable to to shitflooding
1249150;1440282649;punkman;was a feature I think
1249151;1440282656;punkman;maybe because it already had the file
1249152;1440282658;asciilifeform;unless it actually looks for a pre-existing payload and checks against it
1249153;1440282663;asciilifeform;i do not know whether he does this.
1249154;1440282703;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov what does your turdatron script do with attached sigs for which the message has no corresponding payload? looks through existing payloads ?
1249155;1440282704;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1249156;1440282816;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248359 << I don't like this
1249157;1440282816;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 15:59:15; asciilifeform: creating the antipatch is likely to require some manual manipulation.
1249158;1440282839;asciilifeform;punkman: i did not say that i liked it.
1249159;1440282849;asciilifeform;punkman: you are invited to suggest a plausible alternative.
1249160;1440282852;mats;antonosika: this is related to X.EUR yes? see section 2.3b
1249161;1440282882;asciilifeform;punkman: but if your alternative involves my signing of machine-generated code chimera, then ~i~ will not like it.
1249162;1440282906;asciilifeform;anyone who wants to use 'git' or some other tardation knows where to find it.
1249163;1440282918;antonosika;mats
1249164;1440282927;mats;you can talk to davout, but i doubt he will deliver to someone that cannot prove control of that fingerprint
1249165;1440282957;asciilifeform;antonosika: in what way are you presently distinguishable from an impostor ?
1249166;1440282959;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i've gotten the diff of your and my genesis down to the timestamps
1249167;1440282969;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: we zapped the timestamps
1249168;1440282980;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: were you awake for that one ?
1249169;1440282993;ben_vulpes;yessir, but i don't think i implemented it correctly in my vdiff
1249170;1440283004;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see earlier thread today with mod6
1249171;1440283010;antonosika;hypothetically, as long as there is only one suggestion for what account to make a payment to and the contract finiliz
1249172;1440283021;asciilifeform;or trinque rather
1249173;1440283022;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: didja post a genesis.vpatch without timestamps?
1249174;1440283026;mircea_popescu;i'd seriously consider ending davout's contract if he pays without signature.
1249175;1440283036;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248311 << lol
1249176;1440283036;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:10; trinque: asciilifeform: I've produced a genesis.vpatch with your instructions which is only different from yours in terms of timestamps. expected result?
1249177;1440283038;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248312 << read from here
1249178;1440283038;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:34; trinque: I recall discussion of removing the timestamps, but didn't find a conclusion there
1249179;1440283102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if he paid out to a random keyless amoeba, that'd be reason to conclude that he was shot and replaced not even by hitler's agent but by a street dog
1249180;1440283117;antonosika;asciilifeform: hypothetically -  as long as there is only one suggestion, from an impostor or not, for what account to make a payment to AND the contract finalises, wouldn't a future delivery contract state that a payment should take place?
1249181;1440283140;asciilifeform;antonosika: instead of making this argument, go claim the megatonne of gold sitting in zurich since ww2
1249182;1440283158;mats;how does that make sense? you may merely be the first to make the claim, and the genuine article did not yet get around to taking delivery
1249183;1440283161;asciilifeform;antonosika: after all, 'payment should take place' and 'only one suggestion', yours
1249184;1440283188;asciilifeform;go grab the zurich gold, why pester the x.eur folks
1249185;1440283200;asciilifeform;antonosika: you have equally valid claim here and in zurich...
1249186;1440283252;ben_vulpes;huzzah!
1249187;1440283269;mircea_popescu;antonosika no, that's not what it says. the contract creates no nude obligation to pay, which may be satisfied, and then a separate and ulterior consideration as to whom.
1249188;1440283274;mircea_popescu;it starts with the whom.
1249189;1440283320;mircea_popescu;abstent the whom, there is no obligation.
1249190;1440283328;punkman;antonosika: did you buy X.EUR on coinbr?
1249191;1440283332;antonosika;mircea_popescu: I hope you take a good ulterior consideration until then.
1249192;1440283343;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: before you start recreating and signing 'orchestra' patches as well, also see the thread with mod6 where i explain that the paths need adjusting
1249193;1440283343;mircea_popescu;i do what ?
1249194;1440283384;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: (they gotta be homogeneous, as in following the same dir pattern as in 'genesis', to avoid unnecessary complexity in my proggy)
1249195;1440283389;mats;[2014-08-12 03:34:05] → antonosika joined (uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dhamorrkxglbonxi)
1249196;1440283392;antonosika;take the action that you deem plausible
1249197;1440283398;mircea_popescu;...
1249198;1440283411;mats;poor guy does look like he may be the real thing. but, no private key, no futures :/
1249199;1440283412;mircea_popescu;plausible can not be applied to action.
1249200;1440283426;asciilifeform;mats: cold equations!
1249201;1440283449;mats;an expensive lesson...
1249202;1440283480;mircea_popescu;well, it's denominated in one euro increments, and i don't think he ever had outstanding enough to payu for even one year of college
1249203;1440283483;asciilifeform;antonosika: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered << a less-expensive and altogether more diverting lesson
1249204;1440283485;assbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtdDC1 )
1249205;1440283485;mircea_popescu;so no, a very cheap lesson
1249206;1440283688;antonosika;Thanks for the sympathy mats
1249207;1440283713;antonosika;Still, there is plausibility, and https://twitter.com/antonosika
1249208;1440283714;assbot;Anton Osika (@antonosika) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMPW4E )
1249209;1440283744;mircea_popescu;nice pic
1249210;1440283757;mircea_popescu;but you misspelled repetitive.
1249211;1440283760;antonosika;<3
1249212;1440283788;mircea_popescu;and what exactly do you suppose this proves ?
1249213;1440283795;antonosika;fixed.
1249214;1440283862;mats;utilitarian is also misspelled
1249215;1440283863;antonosika;That the contract aims at the antonosika that you are talking to.
1249216;1440283873;punkman;antonosika: was the lost key also registered at mpex?
1249217;1440283898;mircea_popescu;lmao twitter now sucks uisers phone number as a "security" thijg too ?
1249218;1440283920;mats;heh
1249219;1440283923;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can't be arsed to, but it takes anyone five minutes to create a twitter accouint, link it to a dead website and say "dear mircea popoescu" on it
1249220;1440283956;antonosika;for arguments sake, it says when it's registered.
1249221;1440283978;mircea_popescu;so ?
1249222;1440284005;mircea_popescu;a) twitter is a piece of shit web 2.0 item. they are probably hacked by 4 different teams as we speak and they don't even known
1249223;1440284015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.0007021 = 21.0651 BTC [-]
1249224;1440284030;mircea_popescu;b) you farm these and let them age, what's the big deal. 99% of all social media accounts are registered for the purpose of aging and then be used in a scam exactly like is contemplated here.
1249225;1440284036;mircea_popescu;be it scamming google or anything else.
1249226;1440284756;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wYRGdD-xyo
1249227;1440284757;assbot;Beck - Beck Reimagines David Bowie's "Sound and Vision" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMRcop )
1249228;1440284819;ag3nt_zer0;good for the soul
1249229;1440284877;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248302 << they metaretaliated.
1249230;1440284877;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 14:31:53; fluffypony: so 6 hours till North Korea says they'll retaliate
1249231;1440284954;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248343 << we still want the graph thing opf this btw.
1249232;1440284954;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 15:51:32; asciilifeform: this makes it possible to mechanically trace a 'patchchain'
1249233;1440284972;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248349 << exactly the idea.
1249234;1440284972;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 15:53:24; asciilifeform: 'v' will recursively walk the hashes in the release and apply the necessary vpatches to produce the tree.
1249235;1440285730;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248374 << from my own pov it is very convenient, because it reduces to "sign the genesis and sign the meristems you are happy with in deployment"
1249236;1440285730;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 16:05:39; asciilifeform: it is important that everyone who works on therealbitcoin sign 'genesis' and distribute said signature.
1249237;1440285764;mircea_popescu;which is exactly a) what should be favoured (make it easy for the DEPLOYERS to sign, let the writers have to do all the hard work) and b) maximally economical.
1249238;1440285775;asciilifeform;aha.
1249239;1440285840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the graph thing is quite essential (and if no one else does it, i will) because it exposes the actual dependency flow
1249240;1440285873;mircea_popescu;maybe mike'd consider making it a subthing of his excellent wot graph
1249241;1440285884;mircea_popescu;because really - they much belong together, and i expect synergy to be productive
1249242;1440285900;mircea_popescu;(really, V chiefly exists because we put other thibngs together a while back, and we didn't at the time know yet this is how it'll come out.
1249243;1440285912;mircea_popescu;and this exact scenario has played out a dozen or more times in the history of b-a
1249244;1440285917;mircea_popescu;starting with its very birth)
1249245;1440285948;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c hey, would you make the v graph alongside the wot graph ?
1249246;1440285948;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1249247;1440286037;punkman;no synergy plz, v will likely be used for other projects, without b-a wot, etc
1249248;1440286059;mircea_popescu;other projects can go get fucked.
1249249;1440286242;mircea_popescu;b-a is not a fucking gift "to humanity" as that "humanity" chooses to understand itself. b-a is a gift to humanity as defined by b-a.
1249250;1440286261;mircea_popescu;humanity as it chooses to understand itself is the chief enemy, actually, and also the author of shit like the gnu diff. and everything else.
1249251;1440286270;mircea_popescu;if it burns to the ground tomorrow it's about fifty million years too late.
1249252;1440286305;punkman;sure, but why can't punkman use v for non-b-a project?
1249253;1440286314;mircea_popescu;sure he can. go ahead.
1249254;1440286336;mircea_popescu;but in being non-ba project, it misses out on all those things a ba project gets.
1249255;1440286363;mircea_popescu;just like you can go make yourself a house on the prarie. it won't have running water. and all the whitegoods will work poorly fed from canister.
1249256;1440286370;mircea_popescu;especially the dishwasher.
1249257;1440286397;mircea_popescu;because the whitegoods are fucking made for a house with running water by people who have running water and intend to continue having it.
1249258;1440286685;mircea_popescu;"There remains after today no alternative manner to deploy Bitcoin software, or indeed any software that is not a toy intended to be used by children playing, outside of this paradigm. May the switchover be bloody and painful in all the right places." is not some sort of a joke, and in no case can it be waved aside.
1249259;1440286697;mircea_popescu;it is a central tenant of computer science, henceforth.
1249260;1440286705;asciilifeform;tenet ?
1249261;1440286710;mircea_popescu;right./
1249262;1440286773;*;asciilifeform out to meatspace for a spell
1249263;1440287004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00070509 = 28.0626 BTC [+]
1249264;1440287007;ben_vulpes;i'm rather enamored of how bitcoin defines computers now.
1249265;1440287014;mircea_popescu;tell me about it
1249266;1440287021;mircea_popescu;and i didn't even understand computers before.
1249267;1440287036;ben_vulpes;i still don't.
1249268;1440287050;mircea_popescu;no i mean i didn't really have a very good idea
1249269;1440287112;ben_vulpes;it's a good and simple definition. "it must build bitcoin with V, it must sync a full chain verifying each block, and it must keep up with the main chain."
1249270;1440287139;mircea_popescu;"that machine which, unassisted, ~" yeah
1249271;1440287162;mircea_popescu;first time the equivalent of turing's definition was constructed in practice.
1249272;1440287163;ben_vulpes;by the by, does anyone know the zfx individual?
1249273;1440287176;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1249274;1440287242;ben_vulpes;pm'd me on the topic of --parents vs. -p and os x
1249275;1440287256;ben_vulpes;which, more idle experiment than an attempt to build a bitcoin on a macos box
1249276;1440287261;ben_vulpes;^^ asciilifeform
1249277;1440287284;mircea_popescu;could have just voiced the guy
1249278;1440287329;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248413 << ayup.
1249279;1440287329;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 18:04:17; asciilifeform: is winblows next ?
1249280;1440287331;phf;ben_vulpes: -p doesn't seem to do the same thing on os x as --parents does in gnu cp
1249281;1440287353;mircea_popescu;"for fucks sake, is it necessary to invade every last god forsaken swamp ? is burma next ???"
1249282;1440287354;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1249283;1440287370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45571 @ 0.00070509 = 32.1317 BTC [+]
1249284;1440287389;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i was not reading messages at the time
1249285;1440287390;mod6;oh this is pretty neat. so I got the mechanics tested & rebased for rel1 -- off of classic patches & genesis.vpatch to be sure. created a "rel1.vpatch" from that. then tested it, worked good on top of extracted genesis.vpatch.  then did one of these numbers "cat genesis.vpatch >> rel1-fromair.vpatch ; cat rel1.vpatch >> rel1-fromair.vpatch ; patch -p1 < rel1-fromair.vpatch"
1249286;1440287406;mircea_popescu;win.
1249287;1440287435;mod6;it's a one shot, straight to rel1 source.
1249288;1440287470;mod6;now just gotta do it for rel2-pre and clean it up a bit and i think i'll have something for you guys to look at.
1249289;1440287477;mircea_popescu;having fun shane ?
1249290;1440287485;mod6;Yes, Sir :]
1249291;1440287553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95700 @ 0.00071163 = 68.103 BTC [+] {4} 
1249292;1440287575;ben_vulpes;new theory: mpex price correlates with stans work on foundation client
1249293;1440287642;mircea_popescu;lol
1249294;1440287646;mircea_popescu;why not s.nsa for chrissakes
1249295;1440287808;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248467 << i'd like more explanation of how the fuck this could occur.
1249296;1440287808;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 18:26:16; asciilifeform: my present understanding is that the only solution to this is that i intend to negrate anyone who EVER does this.
1249297;1440287813;mircea_popescu;for instance : collision only ?
1249298;1440287835;mircea_popescu;should we need a salt, in the shape of a #sigline for all authors ? something like
1249299;1440287846;mircea_popescu;#Made by MP, the 59675th item so made.
1249300;1440287846;mircea_popescu;?
1249301;1440287953;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248485 << well no it's not, since no time we what, rate both ?
1249302;1440287953;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 18:32:55; asciilifeform: but it is a handy means of mechanically computing whom to negrate.
1249303;1440288228;punkman;http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-bernini-criminal-complaint-slovakia-20150803-story.html
1249304;1440288230;assbot;Bernini bust at Getty Museum prompts criminal complaint in Slovakia - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1aGd8 )
1249305;1440288366;lobbes;!up lobbesbot
1249306;1440288382;lobbesbot;!up
1249307;1440288394;lobbes;!down lobbesbot
1249308;1440288420;punkman;found the art links through this rabbit hole http://www.anonymousswisscollector.com/
1249309;1440288422;assbot;Anonymous Swiss Collector ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kd0hIf )
1249310;1440288773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00072326 = 20.6129 BTC [+] {3} 
1249311;1440289472;punkman;"What every digital goldbug should be thinking right now: if this can happen with block size, it can happen to the 21m supply cap."
1249312;1440289708;trinque;whether it can happen is by no means decided yet.
1249313;1440289749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45450 @ 0.00071406 = 32.454 BTC [-] {3} 
1249314;1440289774;trinque;or if it did on some forkchain, who cares? that one will inflate
1249315;1440289775;punkman;there will be derps herping about 21m cap.
1249316;1440289849;trinque;there surely will
1249317;1440289907;trinque;jurov: I still cant change settings for myself in mailman
1249318;1440289915;mircea_popescu;"this" "can" "happen". except lol mkay.
1249319;1440289948;mircea_popescu;punkman yes of course. just as soon as there's observable value everywhere a horde of shitheads with spoons are moving towards it.
1249320;1440289963;punkman;Szabo: "A retail payment system that makes the consumer worry about two prices  instead of one is far inferior to system where merchant pays tx fee."
1249321;1440290178;mircea_popescu;a retail payment system that isn't visa is going to be inferior to a retail payment system that is visa for the foreseeable future.
1249322;1440290189;mircea_popescu;for very obvious reasons only a retard needs delineated.
1249323;1440290267;mircea_popescu;<trinque> or if it did on some forkchain, who cares? that one will inflate << and for a while it will be "just as good as bitcoin" except "better", like all other scamcoins to date. like ethereum, and next before it, and aurora coin before it, and solidcoin before it and so on.
1249324;1440290281;mircea_popescu;ppl really need to to a diff between realsolid's claims in 2012 and gavin's claims in 2015
1249325;1440290300;mircea_popescu;the lulz so produced should fill any lulztreasury.
1249326;1440290350;mircea_popescu;what was the one with the contracts i forgety
1249327;1440290352;mircea_popescu;oh ripple right
1249328;1440290578;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform and whoever else is privately thinking of reimplementing pgp : one thing i'd dearly love would be the ability to encrypt not to X, but to "l1".
1249329;1440290588;mircea_popescu;i'd seriously consider publishing trilema as such if a way for this existed.
1249330;1440290604;mircea_popescu;sadly it doesn't seem matematically possible to have this miracle.
1249331;1440290712;punkman;mircea_popescu: perfectly possible
1249332;1440290719;mircea_popescu;do tell ?
1249333;1440290729;mircea_popescu;via gossipd, is the closest i can see.
1249334;1440290745;punkman;when multiple recipients, gpg makes a key, encrypts content with that key, the encrypt key separately for each recipient
1249335;1440290753;mircea_popescu;multiple UNSPECIFIED recipients.
1249336;1440290768;mircea_popescu;or as the case may be, specified by reference.
1249337;1440290847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00070478 = 13.8137 BTC [-]
1249338;1440290959;punkman;reference to what?
1249339;1440291030;mircea_popescu;l1 in the example
1249340;1440291074;punkman;and it has to keep working when you add or remove people from l1?
1249341;1440291081;mircea_popescu;add.
1249342;1440291177;punkman;I don't see how that'd be possible
1249343;1440291205;mircea_popescu;gossipd the best i can think of.
1249344;1440291239;punkman;yeah but that's not "encrypt to UNSPECIFIED set of keys"
1249345;1440292238;ben_vulpes;dude autodesk fusion 360 does the DUMBEST POSSIBLE THING for EVERY constraint
1249346;1440292548;ben_vulpes;does actually have a notion of part-level constraints but only "joints"
1249347;1440292555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.000705 = 4.5825 BTC [+]
1249348;1440292558;ben_vulpes;which i suppose are nominally the same but raaaaa
1249349;1440292569;ben_vulpes;solve my system of equations goddamnit don't try to intuit what i mean
1249350;1440293653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.000705 = 4.512 BTC [+]
1249351;1440293958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.000705 = 24.8865 BTC [+]
1249352;1440294080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29748 @ 0.000705 = 20.9723 BTC [+]
1249353;1440296398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00070478 = 3.8058 BTC [-]
1249354;1440298472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00070478 = 20.791 BTC [-]
1249355;1440298899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17799 @ 0.000705 = 12.5483 BTC [+]
1249356;1440299326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00071237 = 9.1896 BTC [+] {2} 
1249357;1440299387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.00071183 = 51.75 BTC [-] {4} 
1249358;1440300119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7999 @ 0.00071338 = 5.7063 BTC [+]
1249359;1440300485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00071338 = 24.7543 BTC [+]
1249360;1440300962;mod6;dang, so close. i've basically got a rel1.vpatch and a rel2.vpatch all set -- but I'm seeing one strange thing... after doing the one-shot patching of either: rel1.vpatch leaves an empty 'makefile.linux-mingw' and 'qtui.h', while rel2.vpatch leaves an empty 'irc.h' and 'irc.cpp'.
1249361;1440301034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105295 @ 0.0007071 = 74.4541 BTC [-] {3} 
1249362;1440301407;phf;mod6: try running patch with -E ?
1249363;1440301430;mod6;yeah, just did.  solves it.
1249364;1440301445;phf;mod6: in fact if you read patch man page, you'll see that us stripping dates basically broke that functionality
1249365;1440301461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20856 @ 0.00070478 = 14.6989 BTC [-] {2} 
1249366;1440302010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00070458 = 11.4142 BTC [-] {3} 
1249367;1440302376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54607 @ 0.00070784 = 38.653 BTC [+] {3} 
1249368;1440302467;mod6;oh the functionallity of "automatically pruning empty files" ?
1249369;1440302485;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://trilema.com/2014/these-people-should-be-shot-basically/#comment-115108
1249370;1440302486;assbot;These people should be shot, basically. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLfqT6 )
1249371;1440302537;phf;mod6: yes
1249372;1440302584;phf;"Normally this option is unnecessary, since patch can exam- ine the time stamps on the header to determine whether a file should exist after patching."
1249373;1440302806;mod6;ah, thx phf
1249374;1440302864;mod6;now my sha256 manifests match from the original to the one-shot whole orchestra
1249375;1440302878;mod6;for rel1 & rel2
1249376;1440303169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00071531 = 43.2763 BTC [+] {3} 
1249377;1440303265;mircea_popescu;win.
1249378;1440303962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67039 @ 0.00071776 = 48.1179 BTC [+] {4} 
1249379;1440304450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00072352 = 7.3799 BTC [+] {3} 
1249380;1440304562;mod6;This script is huge, but does quite a bit too.  I'll post it and the resulting rel1.vpatch and rel2.vpatch here in a bit.
1249381;1440305358;mod6;mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque & all: For your review.  http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1.vpatch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2.vpatch
1249382;1440305359;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW3w5F )
1249383;1440305360;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrVpAq )
1249384;1440305361;assbot;Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrVpAu )
1249385;1440305426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00072582 = 24.9682 BTC [+] {4} 
1249386;1440305429;mod6;I dunno why it says error... links work for me.
1249387;1440305451;mod6;Anyway, here are the hashes for the rel1.vpatch & rel2.vpatch
1249388;1440305451;mod6;SHA256 (rel1.vpatch) = 717171ffffce57b7008968a4d8eb2a627f8fe45e4ed8eb15634fd1c1ddf868c5
1249389;1440305455;mod6;SHA256 (rel2.vpatch) = b951c4a56a362e8f936b65531298a2dad9cb456e3b15118f26ca9f61e5b9a97f
1249390;1440305731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00072602 = 26.8627 BTC [+]
1249391;1440305839;mod6;Don't feel like it's a waste of time either to create your own method to generate these vpatches and see if we come out with the same resultant hash.
1249392;1440306036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00072602 = 5.191 BTC [+]
1249393;1440306280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00072678 = 24.6015 BTC [+] {3} 
1249394;1440306325;cazalla;http://www.inquisitr.com/2359051/ashley-madison-suicide-man-on-hacked-list-kills-himself-as-users-try-to-remove-their-names-from-ashley-madison-leaked-list/
1249395;1440306326;assbot;Ashley Madison Suicide: Man On Hacked List Kills Himself As Users Try To Remove Their Names From Ashley Madison Leaked List ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWvMC )
1249396;1440306347;pete_dushenski;'as users try to remove their names' ??
1249397;1440306354;pete_dushenski;what is this, the right to be forgotten ?
1249398;1440306356;cazalla;police officer no less!
1249399;1440306366;trinque;I demand for this to never have happened at once!
1249400;1440306369;pete_dushenski;justice has been served
1249401;1440306459;pete_dushenski;trinque: sorta what political correctness is, in a nutshell, y'know
1249402;1440306492;pete_dushenski;'indians should've never sucked so badly that they literally shat their skirts when they first saw a gun'
1249403;1440306501;pete_dushenski;'so let's not bring that up'
1249404;1440306528;mats;i dunno that guns were such an advantage against the white man.
1249405;1440306534;mats;err, for the white man*
1249406;1440306541;trinque;where'd the indians go then?
1249407;1440306549;mats;state of the art -- muskets.
1249408;1440306558;mats;smallpox, for one
1249409;1440306559;trinque;actually, we do have to credit disease
1249410;1440306561;trinque;yep
1249411;1440306578;pete_dushenski;guns are nukes now, they do actually work in the battlefield
1249412;1440306609;pete_dushenski;sure, disease was a thing, partly incidental, possibly intentional
1249413;1440306618;pete_dushenski;aren't*
1249414;1440306657;trinque;in either case, thinking one can persuade reality otherwise is a mental illness
1249415;1440306707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00072735 = 15.1289 BTC [+]
1249416;1440306786;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248414 << solid d-fence
1249417;1440306786;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 18:05:26; asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, tr0l0l0l, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482&cpage=1#comment-17278
1249418;1440306814;pete_dushenski;if only taleb could handle such turds, he'd be here
1249419;1440306825;pete_dushenski;alas, too aged is he
1249420;1440307037;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248535 << guernicas too.
1249421;1440307037;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 18:50:57; mircea_popescu: what part of doublethink you think got cancelled ? the man with two maja desnudas simply is twice as happy.
1249422;1440307050;pete_dushenski;"oh hey look what i found in this shoebox!"
1249423;1440307182;pete_dushenski;but speaking of goya, after the local art gallery was revamped a few years back, it finally snagged itself a goya exhibit, which was my first and only exposure to the spaniard's etchings
1249424;1440307211;pete_dushenski;the man had an affinity for the gallows, to be sure, not unlike stan's really
1249425;1440307256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00070339 = 13.9271 BTC [-] {3} 
1249426;1440307337;ben_vulpes;https://blog.conformal.com/why-your-team-sucks/
1249427;1440307338;assbot;Why Your Team Sucks | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Joq8aZ )
1249428;1440307353;pete_dushenski;answer: 'you' ?
1249429;1440307373;ben_vulpes;disease wasn't intentional at all, some vast majority was wiped out by unrecorded initial explorers of the americas
1249430;1440307376;ben_vulpes;see 1941
1249431;1440307377;ben_vulpes;er
1249432;1440307380;ben_vulpes;1491
1249433;1440307404;ben_vulpes;even more lulzy, pete_dushenski
1249434;1440307422;ben_vulpes;basically, conformal's public thinger got hacked.
1249435;1440307424;ben_vulpes;righteously.
1249436;1440307424;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: ya, just scanned, reads exactly, and i do mean ~exactly~ like wp spam
1249437;1440307551;pete_dushenski;https://blog.conformal.com/why-your-team-sucks/#comment-715
1249438;1440307553;assbot;Why Your Team Sucks | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrYsbY )
1249439;1440307569;pete_dushenski;'awaiting moderation'
1249440;1440307582;pete_dushenski;jic : "I wasn’t always a fan of your blog but you guys are really picking up your game ! Way to go !!"
1249441;1440307585;ben_vulpes;dem cookies
1249442;1440307744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00072735 = 9.6374 BTC [+]
1249443;1440307792;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: regarding el gran teatro, have you been to a proper milonga yet?
1249444;1440307806;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248583 << my ol' romanian grandfather taught me this one... "non est disputandum" !
1249445;1440307806;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: "de gustibus" ?
1249446;1440307858;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sure.
1249447;1440307876;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248594 << there's always modigliani if you're in need of a cure for 'pieface'
1249448;1440307876;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 19:09:30; mircea_popescu: anyway, upon consideration venus does have to some degree the sharp features of the ideal fox. at least moreso than all the piefaces everyone wants to paint for some reason
1249449;1440307911;mircea_popescu;<trinque> I demand for this to never have happened at once! << somehow reminds me of lweiss carroll
1249450;1440307918;pete_dushenski;'almond eyes' being amadeo's solution
1249451;1440307944;pete_dushenski;'i'm late, i'm late, i'm late for an important date!'
1249452;1440307964;pete_dushenski;more 'red queen' i suppose
1249453;1440307986;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/22/a-beautiful-mind/
1249454;1440307987;assbot;A Beautiful Mind | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrZ1Te )
1249455;1440308047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i like the guy's thinking. "it's hard and i suck therefore whatevs."
1249456;1440308049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23809 @ 0.00072754 = 17.322 BTC [+] {3} 
1249457;1440308072;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski goya is the definitive alf artist imo.
1249458;1440308091;pete_dushenski;too true.
1249459;1440308104;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/on-walmart/#footnote_2_4406 << 'queen of hearts' not 'red queen'
1249460;1440308105;assbot;On Walmart. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrZdls )
1249461;1440308131;mircea_popescu;ahahaa conformal blog got hijacked ?
1249462;1440308208;mircea_popescu;ahahahah lol  modigliani. "o you don't like pieface ? try longface!"
1249463;1440308214;mircea_popescu;fucking nuclear winter.
1249464;1440308245;pete_dushenski;choices !
1249465;1440308264;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248602 << my parents have a rather convincing 'kandinsky' at their place
1249466;1440308264;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 19:13:28; mircea_popescu: ely almost entirely on expert opinion concerning the quality of the art, that is to say, is the quality of the art being examined of the quality expected of a painting by the artist�in this case, Caravaggio.
1249467;1440308282;pete_dushenski;apparently 'not real' but who the fuck knows
1249468;1440308298;pete_dushenski;maybe time for 2nd, 3rd opinion
1249469;1440308584;pete_dushenski;then again, they're not rothschilds so prolly doesn't much matter
1249470;1440308659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42099 @ 0.0007131 = 30.0208 BTC [-] {3} 
1249471;1440308964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26676 @ 0.00072989 = 19.4705 BTC [+]
1249472;1440309940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22351 @ 0.00073026 = 16.322 BTC [+] {3} 
1249473;1440310184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00073122 = 14.8072 BTC [+] {2} 
1249474;1440310733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28896 @ 0.00070249 = 20.2992 BTC [-]
1249475;1440311526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00072595 = 9.2922 BTC [+]
1249476;1440312563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31693 @ 0.00072246 = 22.8969 BTC [-]
1249477;1440312996;mircea_popescu;"Among intelligent Communists there is an underground legend to the effect that although the Russian government is obliged now to deal in lying propaganda, frame-up trials, and so forth, it is secretly recording the true facts and will publish them at some future time." << meta non-asshole stalinism!
1249478;1440313253;punkman;lol
1249479;1440313295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00072773 = 10.6612 BTC [+] {3} 
1249480;1440313680;mats;https://i.imgur.com/ktkwt5r.jpg
1249481;1440313681;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENk5f7 )
1249482;1440313743;mats;wapo decided to publish pics of master keys to approved tsa luggage locks
1249483;1440313749;mats;win
1249484;1440313786;mats;nao to acquire bump set
1249485;1440313839;trinque;this "TSA-approved lock" is a thing?
1249486;1440313888;trinque;ah I guess the alternative is having them cut your lock off, lol
1249487;1440313927;mats;yes
1249488;1440315074;mircea_popescu;mechanical locks ?!
1249489;1440315088;mircea_popescu;this is like windows antivirus already.
1249490;1440315979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00072246 = 26.0086 BTC [-]
1249491;1440316223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00072759 = 3.1286 BTC [+]
1249492;1440316772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00072114 = 26.2856 BTC [-] {3} 
1249493;1440317138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13144 @ 0.00072762 = 9.5638 BTC [+] {3} 
1249494;1440317199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56515 @ 0.00073394 = 41.4786 BTC [+] {4} 
1249495;1440317931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00073458 = 4.9951 BTC [+]
1249496;1440319578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35823 @ 0.00073485 = 26.3245 BTC [+] {3} 
1249497;1440320005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36022 @ 0.00073224 = 26.3767 BTC [-] {4} 
1249498;1440320066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1528 @ 0.0007101 = 1.085 BTC [-]
1249499;1440321478;mircea_popescu;!rated wences
1249500;1440321478;assbot;wences is not registered in WoT.
1249501;1440321482;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1249502;1440321920;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245663 <<< any value in the opposite.. say +1 if such and such individual shows up?
1249503;1440321920;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 19:53:20; trinque: felipelalli: 'twas above that one, BingoBoingo made a deed in which he promised to rate certain individuals -10 should they ever appear in the WoT
1249504;1440321933;mircea_popescu;but same.
1249505;1440322872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64500 @ 0.00071907 = 46.38 BTC [+] {4} 
1249506;1440323475;punkman;https://twitter.com/nihilist_arbys
1249507;1440323477;assbot;Nihilist Arby's (@nihilist_arbys) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdpfFb )
1249508;1440323593;punkman;"10am:Traffic is terrible. You're running out of gin. The girl in the trunk won't stop screaming. She'll be dead soon. So will you. Eat arbys"
1249509;1440323854;punkman;"Draw the blinds. shut out the sun. Cry. The pile of meat has been on the  table for weeks. Just eat it & go back to bed. Arbys: edible."
1249510;1440323945;punkman;"Why not wash down that regrettable semen-of-the-coke-dealer taste in  your mouth with a little Arbys? Arbys: no one here cares what you do."
1249511;1440323970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00073127 = 7.8977 BTC [+]
1249512;1440323979;punkman;"Here's a little late night inspiration: you're ugly, your one night  stand will notice your fat rolls and you'll die alone. Arbys: remorse"
1249513;1440324018;punkman;"The only way out of this nightmare is the sweet release of death, so fuck it. have another sandwich, fatty. Arbys: to your nadir and beyond"
1249514;1440325068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12826 @ 0.00073127 = 9.3793 BTC [+]
1249515;1440326288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00072434 = 17.6015 BTC [-]
1249516;1440327630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00073127 = 5.0092 BTC [+]
1249517;1440328301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00073319 = 22.8389 BTC [+] {4} 
1249518;1440329033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00073544 = 14.9294 BTC [+] {3} 
1249519;1440329582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00073621 = 20.4666 BTC [+] {2} 
1249520;1440330070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073429 = 8.224 BTC [-]
1249521;1440330497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00073429 = 15.0897 BTC [-]
1249522;1440331412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00073429 = 19.9727 BTC [-]
1249523;1440331717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15129 @ 0.00073429 = 11.1091 BTC [-]
1249524;1440332449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00072892 = 27.2616 BTC [-] {4} 
1249525;1440332647;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
1249526;1440332650;gribble;Time since last block: 37 minutes and 38 seconds
1249527;1440332653;mircea_popescu;herp.
1249528;1440332876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00073669 = 5.3226 BTC [+] {2} 
1249529;1440332937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.0007385 = 7.0342 BTC [+]
1249530;1440333176;mircea_popescu;!up hazirafel100
1249531;1440333181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19628 @ 0.0007385 = 14.4953 BTC [+]
1249532;1440333250;mircea_popescu;here's some more stuff that "never happened" : https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/
1249533;1440333251;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 100.09 B (100%) on Yes, 0.01 B (0%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 99`986 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
1249534;1440333274;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to donate some btc...
1249535;1440333303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15722 @ 0.00073901 = 11.6187 BTC [+] {2} 
1249536;1440333852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00072434 = 26.6557 BTC [-]
1249537;1440334279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4640 @ 0.00072434 = 3.3609 BTC [-]
1249538;1440334950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0007243 = 22.3809 BTC [-] {3} 
1249539;1440335316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12935 @ 0.00073907 = 9.5599 BTC [+]
1249540;1440335600;mircea_popescu;!up smoots
1249541;1440335619;smoots;hello, Phuctor is returning a 500 Internal Server Error when submitting a new key
1249542;1440335652;mircea_popescu;usually happens when it eats up all the memory doing long number manipulation. give it a few hours and try again
1249543;1440335664;smoots;okay, thank you!
1249544;1440336414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28743 @ 0.00072379 = 20.8039 BTC [-] {3} 
1249545;1440338183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00073007 = 8.3228 BTC [+]
1249546;1440341416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00072784 = 24.1643 BTC [-]
1249547;1440341904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43181 @ 0.00072558 = 31.3313 BTC [-] {4} 
1249548;1440342484;wyrdmantis;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1244364 asciilifeform can you explain me why this is relevant? i person i know has told me that L2 chache is irrelevant because "the working set of memory pages veryfing ECDSA signatures is extremely small and takes places also in L1” I don’t have counter-arguments with him because this is not my field but… i trust your opinion more. Also he says that the use of ssd make
1249549;1440342484;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 21:14:31; ascii_field: cpu l2 cache
1249550;1440342514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8112 @ 0.00072364 = 5.8702 BTC [-]
1249551;1440342941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33391 @ 0.00073007 = 24.3778 BTC [+]
1249552;1440343124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00073007 = 7.6657 BTC [+]
1249553;1440343246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49675 @ 0.00072325 = 35.9274 BTC [-] {3} 
1249554;1440344466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00072033 = 17.7201 BTC [-] {2} 
1249555;1440344954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00072054 = 10.1956 BTC [+]
1249556;1440346014;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i2yvf/xtnodescom_request_for_ddos_protected_hosting/ << lol
1249557;1440346784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00072054 = 6.2687 BTC [+]
1249558;1440347089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13458 @ 0.00072033 = 9.6942 BTC [-]
1249559;1440347943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26681 @ 0.00071753 = 19.1444 BTC [-] {3} 
1249560;1440349895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5129 @ 0.00071742 = 3.6796 BTC [-]
1249561;1440350322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00071742 = 33.0372 BTC [-] {2} 
1249562;1440350383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4645 @ 0.00071924 = 3.3409 BTC [+] {3} 
1249563;1440351165;mod6;my rotor+TEST2 has fully sync'd on gentoo. (3rd full sync with -verifyall)
1249564;1440351387;thestringpuller;congrats mod6
1249565;1440351664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00072176 = 10.1768 BTC [+]
1249566;1440351725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15611 @ 0.00072814 = 11.367 BTC [+]
1249567;1440351908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16231 @ 0.00072907 = 11.8335 BTC [+] {3} 
1249568;1440352753;mod6;ty
1249569;1440353006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5320 @ 0.00073007 = 3.884 BTC [+]
1249570;1440353860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00072745 = 26.4792 BTC [-]
1249571;1440354043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.0007379 = 26.4168 BTC [+] {5} 
1249572;1440354836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00073816 = 18.9338 BTC [+]
1249573;1440355263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19204 @ 0.00072876 = 13.9951 BTC [-]
1249574;1440355507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18889 @ 0.00073086 = 13.8052 BTC [+] {4} 
1249575;1440355812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22612 @ 0.00072146 = 16.3137 BTC [-] {5} 
1249576;1440356361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15689 @ 0.00072582 = 11.3874 BTC [+] {3} 
1249577;1440356544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 500 @ 0.00208192 = 1.041 BTC [-]
1249578;1440357838;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoSF4ZoDuRI
1249579;1440357839;assbot;Reversed Engineered Yamaha OPL3 FM Synthesizer in an FPGA playing Doom - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDEwSS )
1249580;1440357949;mats;https://github.com/gtaylormb/opl3_fpga
1249581;1440357950;assbot;gtaylormb/opl3_fpga · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDEIS9 )
1249582;1440358008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.1180997 = 3.543 BTC [-]
1249583;1440358313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19201 @ 0.00072839 = 13.9858 BTC [+] {2} 
1249584;1440358515;danielpbarron;!up refferedbyloper
1249585;1440359006;danielpbarron;!rated bagels7
1249586;1440359006;assbot;You rated user bagels7 on 11-Nov-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: he's got a decent attitude; just a little confused..
1249587;1440359009;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.bagels7.2:38b49956fb99a7f6474c2916462ecb357a66dca60c363fb3a8e7686a90f8d5b8
1249588;1440359010;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for bagels7 from 3 to 2 with note: met on tinychat; might be useful some day
1249589;1440359107;danielpbarron;!rated jurov
1249590;1440359107;assbot;You rated user jurov on 04-May-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: He's good for holding 10-100 bitcoin..
1249591;1440359110;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.jurov.4:f2d3bfe737eab025c77e7c1630ba3f2d4b473fa3995786f72d9d725b6e44194f
1249592;1440359110;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 3 to 4 with note: coinbr to eulora exchanger
1249593;1440359180;danielpbarron;!rated alevin
1249594;1440359180;assbot;You rated user alevin on 21-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: boring mental case that fetishizes abstinence.
1249595;1440359186;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.alevin:238b74cd0e0fb7b383ce485d0c41505f934d63ffe3179dcb344c8f1ef683df9b
1249596;1440359186;assbot;Successfully unrated alevin
1249597;1440359281;danielpbarron;!rated birdman
1249598;1440359281;assbot;You rated user birdman on 24-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: He's stubborn, but still young..
1249599;1440359284;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.birdman.3:7fe85ec3373579ab54bc0e2573e6f6dbc8f875c3f8a75cda5a2bfc98c98e9ca9
1249600;1440359284;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for birdman from 2 to 3 with note: met in person; known for years; fellow Eulorian
1249601;1440359382;danielpbarron;!rated gunplay
1249602;1440359382;assbot;You rated user gunplay on 02-Jul-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: met at porcfest; sold me a paper wallet.
1249603;1440359386;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.gunplay:2ab1ab4cae479127fcb20b51b41668181a46bf81dd53fd473c644b9f0ea1fb30
1249604;1440359387;assbot;Successfully unrated gunplay
1249605;1440359499;danielpbarron;!rated btc_trader
1249606;1440359499;assbot;You rated user btc_trader on 30-Jun-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: met at porcfest https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/483646332708483072 ; traded BTC for my cash face-to-face..
1249607;1440359511;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.btc_trader:1dd327ee9da9267401574416172a2a701e796c74f35503cbb858f930cfc9b8ea
1249608;1440359511;assbot;Successfully unrated btc_trader
1249609;1440359687;danielpbarron;!rated kyuupichan
1249610;1440359687;assbot;You rated user kyuupichan on 23-Jun-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: met at porcfest https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/481122040217616384.
1249611;1440359689;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.kyuupichan.-1:2f91fd10e38ffd898d435ca984311c39b9c5201bf958714dc3d2024b5a8bd861
1249612;1440359689;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kyuupichan from 2 to -1 with note: met at porcfest; been idling for a while with nothing to contribute
1249613;1440359842;danielpbarron;!rated kuzetsa
1249614;1440359842;assbot;You rated user kuzetsa on 20-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: A girl in #bitcoin-assets!.
1249615;1440359846;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.kuzetsa:3263af76580054ced0882f4db9f2eeee56d30ee0b174207d81690c79ef368d73
1249616;1440359846;assbot;Successfully unrated kuzetsa
1249617;1440359960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37149 @ 0.00073655 = 27.3621 BTC [+] {4} 
1249618;1440360479;mircea_popescu;;;later tell wyrdmantis ssd is irrelevant in the discussion. "memory pages" is also irrelevant i nthe discussion. apparently it's not that person's field either.
1249619;1440360479;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1249620;1440360858;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/TlfulMF.jpg << apparently #b-a is ALL women.
1249621;1440360859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5wJWT )
1249622;1440361139;mats;lol wtf
1249623;1440361155;mats;'Battle for blocksize'
1249624;1440361180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073906 = 8.9426 BTC [+]
1249625;1440361202;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1249626;1440361379;danielpbarron; take it the guy with the weird glasses is gavin, and the girl with the breastplate is supposed to be hanbot?
1249627;1440361403;davout;danielpbarron: guy with glasses looks like jean reno
1249628;1440361430;danielpbarron;i don't know who that is, but it looks like gavin's twitter pic
1249629;1440361436;davout;that too
1249630;1440361446;danielpbarron;some steampunk thing
1249631;1440361454;danielpbarron;who is the lion? MP?
1249632;1440361553;mircea_popescu;but hanbot's not cali-blonde
1249633;1440361615;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://archive.is/1oGss
1249634;1440361618;assbot;newest submissions : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5y1kE )
1249635;1440361806;hanbot;<danielpbarron>  take it the guy with the weird glasses is gavin, and the girl with the breastplate is supposed to be hanbot? << moar like scoopbot, by the looks of those hands.
1249636;1440361828;mircea_popescu;hands r hard mmkay ?
1249637;1440362217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.0007265 = 30.731 BTC [-] {5} 
1249638;1440362746;ag3nt_zer0;Hi all, blessed Sunday! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt856_nRxQk
1249639;1440362747;assbot;Tomahawk - God Hates a Coward - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHmE8X )
1249640;1440362855;mod6;the fox in the red says "here's where we're going to tie you to a chair and dunk you in the river."
1249641;1440362875;mats;furries...
1249642;1440362952;mod6;the chick with 3 fingers thinks its a good idea.  and gavin says "hey, you can't do that!" to the lion. the lion says, "we WILL do that."
1249643;1440363011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27729 @ 0.00071746 = 19.8944 BTC [-] {5} 
1249644;1440363054;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/ holy shit check that out
1249645;1440363054;assbot;BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.44 B (18%) on Yes, 6.4 B (82%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 1 day| weight: 63`773 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ArQc )
1249646;1440363102;mod6;still a ways to go there... or maybe a bet on QE4
1249647;1440363131;mod6;closed @ 16`459 on friday.
1249648;1440363144;mircea_popescu;nuts that a 30% drop is priced at 18% .
1249649;1440363254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00073426 = 31.6099 BTC [+] {3} 
1249650;1440363669;mircea_popescu;!up refferedbyloper_
1249651;1440363747;mats;gpg requires a private key to do signature verification
1249652;1440363765;mats;this doesn't seem to make any sense from a pure crypto standpoint
1249653;1440363773;mats;fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
1249654;1440363801;mircea_popescu;does not.
1249655;1440363804;mircea_popescu;it requirues the pubkey.
1249656;1440363826;mats;all the libraries i've read require a private subkey
1249657;1440363841;mircea_popescu;wut ?!
1249658;1440363863;davout;mats: prolly because it relies on you having a keyring to which it associates trust levels for private keys
1249659;1440363872;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh ."a".
1249660;1440363885;mircea_popescu;they're "nobody would ever want" level implementation.
1249661;1440363905;mircea_popescu;they assume it's ok to "require networking" because it makes X thing easier and "who would ever want to run without networking"
1249662;1440364073;mats;welp, time to smash a keyboard out back
1249663;1440364092;mats;so much for demeter's law
1249664;1440364160;mircea_popescu;"public education" and "we should encourage more people to get into high paying tech jobs".
1249665;1440364291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13978 @ 0.00073559 = 10.2821 BTC [+]
1249666;1440364486;davout;mats: just tried it
1249667;1440364509;davout;with a keyring, but no private key at all, gpg reports signature correctness and short ID
1249668;1440364531;davout;also required me to import the relevant public key into the key ring
1249669;1440364779;mircea_popescu;http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/909/051/6d2.jpg
1249670;1440364780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5DtEj )
1249671;1440364795;mats;i haven't seen any python libraries that enable this behavior without shelling out to the binary (or maybe i'm retarded, i dunno)
1249672;1440364831;mats;i am very hesitant to code sig verification in a standalone context but this seems to be the best play here...
1249673;1440364891;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere.
1249674;1440364910;*;mats rummages around for his copy of crypto engineering
1249675;1440365123;mircea_popescu;"Some time back altcoins were thought to be potential challengers to BTC. But as time went on we realised that BTC was never going to be removed from the throne.
1249676;1440365123;mircea_popescu;I see the current block size debate in similar fashion. It seems almost inevitable that we will get bigger blocks (probably with XT) because the alternatives will not work well enough, soon enough."
1249677;1440365139;mircea_popescu;historically, X never happened. I believe X will happen now, because I think so.
1249678;1440365548;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249671 << there are none.
1249679;1440365548;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 21:19:55; mats: i haven't seen any python libraries that enable this behavior without shelling out to the binary (or maybe i'm retarded, i dunno)
1249680;1440365565;asciilifeform;mats: to the point, there are ~NO~ usable reimplementations of gpg presently.
1249681;1440365574;asciilifeform;not one.
1249682;1440365592;asciilifeform;(the one pushed by the netbsd folks, notably, calls out to... openssl!!111!!!)
1249683;1440365605;mircea_popescu;pretty amusing how on some basic demographics, all the various groups doing various "better bitcoins" come out drastically in support of bitcoin-xt. it'd seem the people who agree bitcoin needs "improvement" is 80% the people who already agreed with this, unsuccessfully.
1249684;1440365645;mircea_popescu;nxt-ers and ripplers and what have you.
1249685;1440365647;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: their logic, to the extent there is any, is approximately 'nothing grows till the oak hits the ground'
1249686;1440365662;asciilifeform;'if bitcoin dies, our shitcoinz could have a chance!'
1249687;1440365677;mircea_popescu;if anyone's bored, here's a simple job : take all reddit accounts > 1 year old that are in favour of xt, count the ones who weren't also active in some other historically failed fork attempt.
1249688;1440365692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mebbe.
1249689;1440365723;mircea_popescu;certainly the two major groups that stand to win from harming bitcoin are govt shills and the idiots they cater to.
1249690;1440365785;*;asciilifeform bbl
1249691;1440365826;fluffypony;mircea_popescu you want to hear a funny story
1249692;1440365829;mircea_popescu;sure.
1249693;1440365854;fluffypony;I've been fairly vocal in denouncing -XT and the whole way Hearn-ia and Gavin have been pushing their agenda
1249694;1440365862;mircea_popescu;aha.
1249695;1440365879;fluffypony;so the Redditards have taken to telling me that I don't support XT because it's in my interest for Bitcoin to fail
1249696;1440365885;fluffypony;damned if you do, damned if you don't
1249697;1440365886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which reminds me, apparently monero does just fine with the oak. somehow.
1249698;1440365898;mircea_popescu;fluffypony heh.
1249699;1440365911;mircea_popescu;yes, but there's a difference between statistics and redditart say-so.
1249700;1440365916;mircea_popescu;do teh count, see.
1249701;1440365926;fluffypony;yep
1249702;1440365934;mircea_popescu;redditart lol.
1249703;1440365942;mircea_popescu;sadly, no womenz to be had, but anyway.
1249704;1440366096;mats;17:32:27 <+asciilifeform> ... << there are none. << i appreciate the confirmation
1249705;1440366167;mircea_popescu;point was agreed to before i think. which is how the discussion re what pgp implementation must be like got started.
1249706;1440366548;mircea_popescu;incidentally : the only thing this faux controversy has actually shown, is that the antiquated model of governance inherited by the power rangers from satoshi plainly does not work.
1249707;1440366575;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-assets weathered it fine. the bitcoin foundation mailing list weathered it fine. the old mailing list is practically dead for any useful purpose.
1249708;1440366631;mircea_popescu;theymos tried to salvage reddit through doing what he wouldn't do to save bitcointalk three years ago ; this failed to work, reddit-bitcoin shattered.
1249709;1440366644;mats;asciilifeform: it seems 'asignify' does not link openssl
1249710;1440366646;mircea_popescu;leaving probably r/buttcoin as the schellign point, which honestly...
1249711;1440366670;mircea_popescu;best thing ever. let them have the retard mass that success brings in. socialism deserves its fruits
1249712;1440366719;mats;hafta read all of it, brb...
1249713;1440367768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.0007378 = 1.9183 BTC [+]
1249714;1440367931;mats;asciilifeform: 'signify' does not appear to link openssl either... am i missing something or wut?
1249715;1440368036;mircea_popescu;!up refferedbyloper
1249716;1440368286;mircea_popescu;if that dow opens under 15k tomorro...
1249717;1440368683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0007378 = 6.3451 BTC [+]
1249718;1440368744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10452 @ 0.0007378 = 7.7115 BTC [+]
1249719;1440368878;mircea_popescu;bitbet got linked on reddit, so now https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c4992
1249720;1440368879;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 100.09 B (99%) on Yes, 1.01 B (1%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 99`855 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUaTkm )
1249721;1440368905;mircea_popescu;really, reddit as a concentration camp for shitheads is not nearly going far enough.
1249722;1440368928;mircea_popescu;there must be active extermination, not just, "get them fat and shut in".
1249723;1440369293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00073906 = 12.1575 BTC [+] {3} 
1249724;1440369464;funkenstein_;i loled at "rebbit" in logs (amphibitards?  psheepers?)
1249725;1440369598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23923 @ 0.00073907 = 17.6808 BTC [+]
1249726;1440370195;*;funkenstein_ trying to catch up: genesis vpatches tested match (apart a few deletions) 0.4.3 release
1249727;1440370696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00073278 = 24.9878 BTC [-] {4} 
1249728;1440371090;funkenstein_;!up Vexual
1249729;1440371091;mats;asciilifeform: https://github.com/aperezdc/signify << am reading this
1249730;1440371092;assbot;aperezdc/signify · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtSnto )
1249731;1440371404;Vexual;hi funkenstein_
1249732;1440371527;mod6;funkenstein_: 0.4.3?
1249733;1440371542;funkenstein_;er 5.3 sorry
1249734;1440371554;mod6;ah
1249735;1440371685;funkenstein_;No manual entry for vdiff
1249736;1440371685;funkenstein_;Hi Vexual.  I saw a massive black bear today chillin' on side of the road
1249737;1440371716;Vexual;hey cool
1249738;1440372931;mircea_popescu;!up ghtdak
1249739;1440373193;BingoBoingo;Typical redditor https://archive.is/vikBy
1249740;1440373194;assbot;TIFU by checking my body for ticks [NSFW] : tifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAlgrI )
1249741;1440373269;mats;http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29860467/2-men-arrested-with-several-guns-near-pokemon-world-championship
1249742;1440373270;assbot;Boston Police arrest 2 men Shotgun, AR15 at Pokemon Championship - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAlkYz )
1249743;1440373319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16247 @ 0.00073461 = 11.9352 BTC [+] {4} 
1249744;1440373746;mats;asciilifeform: just realized it does not use rsa. derp.
1249745;1440373990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00072708 = 26.3203 BTC [-] {3} 
1249746;1440374173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00073906 = 19.5481 BTC [+] {2} 
1249747;1440375273;mircea_popescu;;;ud tifu
1249748;1440375274;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TIFU | Today on reddit I read the funniest story in the TIFU category. ... She was jackin me off so i put it into her tits and BAM, im the Master of TiFu. by Coffee Cakes ...
1249749;1440375817;scoopbutt;http://qntra.net/2015/08/bitbet-prediction-market-opens-xtcoin-bet-pool-already-over-100-btc/
1249750;1440375819;assbot;BitBet Prediction Market Opens XTCoin Bet, Pool already over 100 BTC | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1EdS9GG )
1249751;1440375880;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/ladder1/
1249752;1440375881;assbot;Ladder 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EdSeKm )
1249753;1440376280;mircea_popescu;http://media.oglaf.com/comic/troubadour.jpg
1249754;1440376282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JeJOkA )
1249755;1440376674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00073915 = 14.8569 BTC [+] {2} 
1249756;1440376755;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1249757;1440376762;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 227.83, vol: 12821.19459220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 222.5, vol: 5693.48864 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 227.3, vol: 12192.34608695 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 226.465636, vol: 20219.28970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 228.13041, vol: 50.16277788 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.93625, vol: 57.44174782 | Volume-weighted last average: 226.573115073
1249758;1440376811;asciilifeform;mats: i was wondering how long it would take you to notice!
1249759;1440376947;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249741 << the small arms in the photo are in their factory boxes... borrowed for this cheapo psyop ?
1249760;1440376947;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 23:41:09; mats: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29860467/2-men-arrested-with-several-guns-near-pokemon-world-championship
1249761;1440376958;asciilifeform;from a store? and on condition of 'keep in original box' ?!!
1249762;1440376993;BingoBoingo;;;more
1249763;1440376993;gribble;Error: That's all, there is no more.
1249764;1440377050;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market Buttfinex
1249765;1440377051;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 226.75, Best ask: 227.18, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 226.75, 24 hour volume: 12192.34608695, 24 hour low: 225.58, 24 hour high: 232.88, 24 hour vwap: None
1249766;1440377099;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249705 << i find it interesting that there is ~exactly one~ actual, working implementation of pgp
1249767;1440377099;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 21:42:47; mircea_popescu: point was agreed to before i think. which is how the discussion re what pgp implementation must be like got started.
1249768;1440377134;asciilifeform;(and anyone who thinks i ought to be considering a thing that uses openssl, or a winblowz turd, or something for mac, -- go eat a caltrop.)
1249769;1440377215;mircea_popescu;which one do you call that ?
1249770;1440377246;asciilifeform;the garden-variety gpg is closest i know of
1249771;1440377272;mircea_popescu;ah, not for what he's trying to do
1249772;1440377278;asciilifeform;even for sigverify!
1249773;1440377286;asciilifeform;there is nothing to use but classical gpg
1249774;1440377290;asciilifeform;go, look.
1249775;1440377335;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249381 << this is a potentially catastrophic misuse of the thing. if you glom the patches together, i can't sigverify'em, can't (easily) match them against earlier publications of same, and most of all - can't read it worth a damn
1249776;1440377335;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 04:49:18; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque & all: For your review.  http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1.vpatch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2.vpatch
1249777;1440377335;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1249778;1440377400;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249395 << wat the everloving fuck
1249779;1440377400;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 05:05:26; assbot: Ashley Madison Suicide: Man On Hacked List Kills Himself As Users Try To Remove Their Names From Ashley Madison Leaked List ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWvMC )
1249780;1440377406;asciilifeform;'remove' ?!!
1249781;1440378166;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249303 << this got lost in the chaos; quite lulzy! approximatly, a country-sized version of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248932
1249782;1440378166;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 00:03:48; punkman: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-bernini-criminal-complaint-slovakia-20150803-story.html
1249783;1440378166;assbot;Logged on 22-08-2015 21:23:49; mircea_popescu: there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso
1249784;1440378217;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249319 << as in ru mega-proverb, 'one with a plow and seven with spoons'
1249785;1440378217;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 00:32:28; mircea_popescu: punkman yes of course. just as soon as there's observable value everywhere a horde of shitheads with spoons are moving towards it.
1249786;1440378248;mircea_popescu;nonsense.
1249787;1440378289;asciilifeform;?
1249788;1440378536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: please consider taking the thing in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249328 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249335 and specifying a little more in detail. because i am utterly failing to grasp what was being sought here.
1249789;1440378536;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 00:42:58; mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform and whoever else is privately thinking of reimplementing pgp : one thing i'd dearly love would be the ability to encrypt not to X, but to "l1".
1249790;1440378536;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 00:45:53; mircea_popescu: multiple UNSPECIFIED recipients.
1249791;1440378573;mircea_popescu;yeah, im thinking about it.
1249792;1440378585;mod6;asciilifeform: i can put up the individual .vpatch files for you to review tomorrow.
1249793;1440378605;mircea_popescu;and the nonsense says that both the theoretical position you seek to defend is rubbish, and that the la times article you seek to defend it with is both rubbish and wouldn't defend it even if it weren't, and the it were defensible.
1249794;1440378606;asciilifeform;mod6: works. but anyone can review these, because we already know what they must look like
1249795;1440378654;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my thought was actually that it was illustrative of the idea you explained - that random beggar can't own a 'promissory n0te'
1249796;1440378710;asciilifeform;the slovak ministry of whateverthefuck was playing the role of the 'garage sale picasso buyer and reseller for $100'
1249797;1440378722;asciilifeform;unless i catastrophically misread.
1249798;1440378767;mircea_popescu;mno.
1249799;1440378789;mircea_popescu;the slovaks are incompetent fuckwits. this, because there's so few of them it's cheaper to pretend like they're a country than to seek someone else's administration.
1249800;1440378810;mircea_popescu;this resultd in their selling an item for less than it was worth. because they had no idea what it was worth. becxause it's not theirs - they merely inherited it.
1249801;1440378818;mircea_popescu;from something that used to be a world power and a major empire.
1249802;1440378818;asciilifeform;orc sop
1249803;1440378831;mircea_popescu;so they got butthurt, and are prosecuting a local that was involved in their rape, they think.
1249804;1440378947;*;asciilifeform is familiar with the basic pattern
1249805;1440379016;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249349 << ben_vulpes is back to mechanical world ?!
1249806;1440379016;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 01:16:09; ben_vulpes: solve my system of equations goddamnit don't try to intuit what i mean
1249807;1440379077;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249563 << congrats mod6!
1249808;1440379077;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 17:32:45; mod6: my rotor+TEST2 has fully sync'd on gentoo. (3rd full sync with -verifyall)
1249809;1440379102;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1249810;1440379107;asciilifeform;~~97~~ connections on dulap
1249811;1440379113;asciilifeform;67 on zoolag.
1249812;1440379124;asciilifeform;dafuq ?
1249813;1440379209;asciilifeform;aaaaaand ...
1249814;1440379238;asciilifeform;33 of the 97 are.....
1249815;1440379245;asciilifeform;'amazon ec2' boxes.
1249816;1440379286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1249817;1440379297;asciilifeform;of the 67,
1249818;1440379317;asciilifeform;16 'ec2'.
1249819;1440379353;asciilifeform;shouldn't those folks be hanging out with their own kind ?
1249820;1440379541;mircea_popescu;prolly xt nodes lol
1249821;1440379621;*;asciilifeform tested handful, and they appear to be
1249822;1440379656;asciilifeform;notably, unconnectable-to
1249823;1440379676;asciilifeform;(the five or so i tried)
1249824;1440379689;asciilifeform;...misconfigured.
1249825;1440379704;asciilifeform;how typical.
1249826;1440380150;BingoBoingo;"subver" : "/JKSatoshi:0.11.56/",
1249827;1440380158;BingoBoingo;^ More useragent strange
1249828;1440380741;mircea_popescu;if it bothers you can always drop aws connections at the firewall level
1249829;1440380758;asciilifeform;presently i know of no reason to care
1249830;1440380769;asciilifeform;plus iirc somebody here was using it
1249831;1440380773;asciilifeform;(who..?)
1249832;1440380874;asciilifeform;possibly ben_vulpes
1249833;1440380935;asciilifeform;presently i can't entirely understand why the swarm of sybils has materialized exactly there - aws isn't particularly cheap, if you actually use the cpu/disk
1249834;1440380980;mircea_popescu;iirc someone explained it on reddit - they get 100 dollars worth free if they prove they're students or some crud.
1249835;1440380987;asciilifeform;l0l!
1249836;1440380994;asciilifeform;so this is a strictly finite ballsack
1249837;1440380997;mircea_popescu;but it's basically "some adults are giving free chickenfeed so let's take that and overturn the world!"
1249838;1440381001;mircea_popescu;well...
1249839;1440381068;*;asciilifeform blew an astonishing bag of usd when ran 'phuctor' on aws - and this in its mostly-useless and almost-trafficless first year and half of life
1249840;1440381147;*;asciilifeform bought into the fantasy of 'elastic cpu/ram, precisely as much or little as you want' as we were promised in the '70s. it is, of course, a crock of shit, because the necessary hardware does not actually exist
1249841;1440381159;asciilifeform;the increments in which you can 'buy cycles' are severely quantized.
1249842;1440381179;mircea_popescu;also they charge about 10x fmv.
1249843;1440381186;asciilifeform;aha.
1249844;1440381189;asciilifeform;at least.
1249845;1440381203;mircea_popescu;seriously, i can buy a cpu that outpuits cpu cycles at 500 a second over five years for 500 bucks
1249846;1440381209;mircea_popescu;or else i can pay you 10 bucks per million ?
1249847;1440381212;mircea_popescu;WHERE DO I SIGN UP!11
1249848;1440381252;asciilifeform;some of the appeal, i think, was in the notion of not having to physically house / feed / clean the thing
1249849;1440381264;mircea_popescu;but the 100 dollar expenditure on "students" / redditards is absolute genius. get the fucktards to believe "nothing else exists", have cows for the rest of your life.
1249850;1440381274;mircea_popescu;of course it sinks at the juncture where the cows are actually cockroaches.
1249851;1440381298;asciilifeform;hey, if ants learned to 'milk' aphids, why not... roaches
1249852;1440381473;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1249853;1440381489;mircea_popescu;the us' been learning to milk ever more roachy roaches for decades now.
1249854;1440381528;*;asciilifeform recalls scene in oddity film 'snowpiercer' where the heroes learn that the only food that still exists is pressed-cockroach-bar
1249855;1440381879;mircea_popescu;Despite the fervor in the Bitcoin community, the odds are against Bitcoin XT. "This is not the first attempt to create a better Bitcoin, but I believe Bitcoin has such critical mass of resources devoted to it that it is unlikely anybody would abandon it for an incremental improvement,"says Gil Luria, an analyst at Wedbush Securities. "None has gotten much traction."
1249856;1440381895;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, seems as best as i can determine the consensus in actual us finance.
1249857;1440381897;asciilifeform;who the fuck is that
1249858;1440381904;mircea_popescu;makes the social media froth even less comprehensible.
1249859;1440381935;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wedbush is a private banker, basically.
1249860;1440381990;*;asciilifeform wonders if any such folks are equipped to distinguish therealbitcoin from linoleum
1249861;1440382003;mircea_popescu;(the "retail bank" where you go talk to a person you don't know that doesnty know you is really no different from mcdonalds "cuisine". irl, banks work a lot more like tailors)
1249862;1440382010;mircea_popescu;yes, actually.
1249863;1440382029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i know these as 'pocket banks' aha
1249864;1440382031;mircea_popescu;fwiw, my entire intel thing is fundamentally a fork off ib intel.
1249865;1440382052;mircea_popescu;if they fail, it's not because their research sucks.
1249866;1440382067;mircea_popescu;(just like if major attorney firm loses major trial - it's not because the paralegals sucked)
1249867;1440382103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3346 @ 0.00072641 = 2.4306 BTC [-]
1249868;1440382161;*;asciilifeform looks through the window and does not see any private bankers coming to ask re: therealbitcoin... perhaps they all go to mircea_popescu's house. or ben_vulpes...
1249869;1440382171;mod6;asciilifeform: here's the individual patches, archived for your review: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1-vpatches.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2-pre-vpatches.tar.gz
1249870;1440382172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U1t2Oe )
1249871;1440382173;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U1t2Og )
1249872;1440382180;mod6;SHA256 (rel1-vpatches.tar.gz) = 98f234a7ce0210efcd0e841818479a8d7495bb1ef50b90280453d252efccdbb3
1249873;1440382183;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because you'd tell something else than what's in the log ?
1249874;1440382183;mod6;SHA256 (rel2-pre-vpatches.tar.gz) = efee5d6f7a442748fb0326f0eb01ad69dc585e896ebadcaa6699af09b495618c
1249875;1440382188;asciilifeform;l0l
1249876;1440382204;asciilifeform;i prolly ~would~ end up saying 'there is a log...'
1249877;1440382209;mircea_popescu;so then ?
1249878;1440382248;mircea_popescu;in general, the sure mark of a stupid yet pretentious student is, their desire to talk to the prof "privately".
1249879;1440382258;mircea_popescu;because what, he's gonna give them the REAL math in private ?
1249880;1440382267;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd imagine there is room for requests for a dec vax port or whatnot.
1249881;1440382274;mircea_popescu;"everyone else i'm giving tictacs, but since you ask privately, here is the REAL quantum mechanics"
1249882;1440382287;mircea_popescu;i dun think we're there yet.
1249883;1440382287;asciilifeform;^ this is unfortunately sop in usa
1249884;1440382340;asciilifeform;mod6: these appear to be correct (to naked eye), even rebased as i described. neato!
1249885;1440382349;mod6;yup, np.
1249886;1440382362;asciilifeform;other folks are invited to diff these with previously-published 'orchestra' to see what is meant here.
1249887;1440382368;mod6;let me know if you validate further, mechanically, whenever you get a chance.
1249888;1440382371;asciilifeform;aha.
1249889;1440382374;asciilifeform;prolly tomorrow.
1249890;1440382404;mod6;no worries, thx!
1249891;1440382636;mircea_popescu;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-23/what-bitcoin-xt-primer-everyone in that same vein
1249892;1440382636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFPlw )
1249893;1440382705;asciilifeform;notably no mention of the various hearnias like the blacklist
1249894;1440382736;asciilifeform;reads quite like a culinary review of death's cap mushroom soup that neglects to mention the magic ingredient.
1249895;1440382927;mircea_popescu;"This is probably the first large scale opportunity to see whether unrestricted market forces actually do optimize a supply curve" << major point incidentally.
1249896;1440382940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a review of the "best possible construction"./
1249897;1440383043;mircea_popescu;certainly a lot better than the last time i read an article on zero hedge.
1249898;1440383071;*;asciilifeform had a thought, that 'fee market' as discussed here is not the only stable solution to a living bitcoin. there is the other one, too
1249899;1440383076;mircea_popescu;for that matter - i don't even have any objections, which is more of a journalistic achievement than a pulizer in each hand.
1249900;1440383085;asciilifeform;... where the thing doesn't function as a public toilet at all.
1249901;1440383094;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1249902;1440383096;asciilifeform;in the sense that i can't go and just connect to, e.g., 'swift', because i'd like to.
1249903;1440383106;asciilifeform;gotta be in their wot.
1249904;1440383184;asciilifeform;i suppose this may technically be a degenerate case of the other solution.
1249905;1440383216;mircea_popescu;it's not even a solution to the same problem
1249906;1440383222;mircea_popescu;just moves the goalpost.
1249907;1440383248;asciilifeform;it is a solution to 'real people and spamming scum try to occupy limited space together'
1249908;1440383446;asciilifeform;in other possible nyooz, i have been told that sergei mavrodi, of the repeated mega-pyramid scheme 'mmm' fame, now has a crackpot altcoin of his own.
1249909;1440383461;asciilifeform;suggesting, if indeed this is true, that he reads the logz.
1249910;1440383614;phf;kek
1249911;1440384151;phf;huh, he was "active in bitcoin" for a bit, mmm was silver member in phoundation before getting kicked out, he started mmmcoin that was since killed, there's a blog post about bitcoin on his blog where he says "it's easy to take over bitcoin you just need couple of trillion u.s. dollars"
1249912;1440384187;asciilifeform;so not new? hm
1249913;1440384220;phf;infos from which links to btctalk threads https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/topic/3684-mavrodi-sobralsia-valit-bitkoin/, but archive doesn't pick anything up from mmmcoin.com
1249914;1440384221;assbot;Мавроди собрался валить биткоин - Новости Bitcoin - Bitcoin Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed4QRC )
1249915;1440384327;phf;(that bits.media link was supposed to be between "from" and "which")
1249916;1440385215;funkenstein_;iirc, he had btc-e guys build the "exhcange".. looked identical to btc-e
1249917;1440385668;mircea_popescu;phf different mmm iirc
1249918;1440385931;phf;mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/neNetGr.png, http://mmmglobal.org
1249919;1440385932;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed7Ai5 )
1249920;1440385933;assbot;MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed7Ai7 )
1249921;1440385971;mircea_popescu;yeah but what i'm saying is that this mmm and the 1990s historical item aren't much related
1249922;1440386156;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213534 << someone wrote a client that lets you plug in some settings and it runs your character for you without having to click around on the website, but even with that their 150k number is probably made up
1249923;1440386156;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 01:33:25; mircea_popescu: so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused.
1249924;1440386193;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> it is a solution to 'real people and spamming scum try to occupy limited space together' << yes, but the "free market" solution is "make people solve it on their own cpu" whereas you propose "solve it for other people on my own cpu". yes, if we can limit the market we don't need it to be free. but if we could make it free we wouldn't need to limit it.
1249925;1440386217;mircea_popescu;dude danielpbarron you were way behind in the logs huh.
1249926;1440386291;danielpbarron;i've read stuff since then, i just don't always read it all in order
1249927;1440386294;trinque;"Now, every participant (firstly of the Bitcoin Republic, and then of the whole MMM) will be daily offered a simple web-task related to the activities in the social networks and forums that generate extra traffic to the MMM website." << http://mmmglobal.org/news/mmm_extra-3139.html
1249928;1440386295;assbot;NEWS / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOAp4u )
1249929;1440386299;trinque;lol. what.
1249930;1440386306;trinque;the republic he says.
1249931;1440386320;trinque;what does his scam have to do with that?
1249932;1440386436;mircea_popescu;lol. guy liked the word.
1249933;1440386446;mircea_popescu;iirc there's also a reddit republic thing
1249934;1440386452;trinque;where are you, herr timecube? show yourself
1249935;1440386470;trinque;it's a good word, 'tis true
1249936;1440386486;mircea_popescu;basically what is this, a sort of trying to herd retards to do web stuff ?
1249937;1440386501;trinque;I can't even tell
1249938;1440386513;trinque;you join the MMM and you make 100%
1249939;1440386540;mircea_popescu;or i could also not join it, and also make 100%
1249940;1440386592;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's all for me. laters.
1249941;1440386593;trinque;Hello. My name is Jean, a manager of MMM Philippines, showing you my GH in the amount of P33,000. Thank you my donors and thank you MMM. Indeed its a great privilege to be part of this wonderful community. << ey asciilifeform, I found your filipinos
1249942;1440386596;trinque;mircea_popescu: cheers
1249943;1440389595;phf;mircea_popescu: i think mavrodi keeps spawning new mmm's, getting shut down or going bankrupt and then moving on. his last venture mentioned on wikipedia is MMM India in 2006, but there's no mention of this new mmmglobal
1249944;1440389629;phf;but of course when you browse mmmglobal, his name comes up
1249945;1440389816;phf;like here's his blog entry about bitcoin, http://3py4p4ods8eqivzcenynzr9rp7gt35bzg399i2tksesul6wmpyfe1nsawtno.com/news/33371-pro_bitkoin.html which is hosted on the same domain as http://sergeymavrodi.com
1249946;1440389817;assbot;Про Биткоин / Новости МММ. Последние актуальные новости МММ. А так же архив новостей МММ за 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 годов. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGdBkl )
1249947;1440389818;assbot;МММ Международная касса взаимопомощи. Официальный сайт Сергея Пантелеевича Мавроди. МММ 2015 - Мы можем многое! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGdDIX )
1249948;1440389903;phf;http://mmmglobal.org/mmm_abroad/russia/ redirects to http://sergey-mavrodi.com
1249949;1440389904;assbot;Russia / MMM Abroad / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGdOE6 )
1249950;1440389904;assbot;МММ Международная касса взаимопомощи. Официальный сайт Сергея Пантелеевича Мавроди. МММ 2015 - Мы можем многое! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGdOEa )
1249951;1440390027;trinque;http://mmmglobal.org/ideology/ << phf: the guy's rhetoric sounds just like that "Zeitgeist" series of "documentaries"
1249952;1440390028;assbot;Ideology / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGdZPG )
1249953;1440390054;trinque;capitalism is mean; the solution is so totally not socialism (it's socialism)
1249954;1440390072;trinque;in this case it actually sounds more like a pyramid scheme
1249955;1440390090;trinque;cannot read enough to actually critique...
1249956;1440390105;phf;trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_(Ponzi_scheme_company)
1249957;1440390106;assbot;MMM (Ponzi scheme company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGeadR )
1249958;1440390117;trinque;dingdingding
1249959;1440390167;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249671 << there are a couple python libraries that use GPG ME actually
1249960;1440390167;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 21:19:55; mats: i haven't seen any python libraries that enable this behavior without shelling out to the binary (or maybe i'm retarded, i dunno)
1249961;1440390187;trinque;10 billion's not a bad high score.
1249962;1440390269;phf;trinque: russians of certain generation twitch at the mention of mmm
1249963;1440390555;phf;there was a series of catchy commercials in constant tv rotation in the early 90s, that are simultaneously associated with collapse, "wild 90s" and plebs getting fucked left and right by yeltzin, oligarchs, tv spiritualists, scams, central bank etc.
1249964;1440390563;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOYfxqsBoFY
1249965;1440390564;assbot;Реклама «МММ». Все ролики. Видео 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGeZU1 )
1249966;1440390708;phf;(plot of commercials: every the top stereotypical russian pleb invests in mmm, gets more and more money. in every commercial he can afford to buy more and more shit. lenya golubkov, national hero)
1249967;1440390715;phf;*over the top
1249968;1440390895;trinque;this is pretty great.
1249969;1440390942;trinque;partly to see what, lets say Comrade Joe Schmoe, looks like
1249970;1440391001;punkman;!up BU769XX_dIQ
1249971;1440391009;trinque;;;later tell felipelalli apparently I have used your app, Bitcoin Paranoid. neat
1249972;1440391010;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1249973;1440391026;trinque;^ price alarm thinger
1249974;1440391067;asciilifeform;meanwhile...
1249975;1440391069;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6D497A91DB9DE78E559BF952FFC44A45C0C8CA5FAB4A23E547F125A6541B7A6
1249976;1440391073;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGfPQE )
1249977;1440391086;asciilifeform;gcd == 609; Blevins <<wblevins@ix.netcom.com>>; THIS KEY HAS BEEN REVOKED <PLEASE DO NOT USE>
1249978;1440391093;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ?
1249979;1440391093;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1249980;1440391130;punkman;asciilifeform: no cosmic rays on that key right?
1249981;1440391136;asciilifeform;aha
1249982;1440391151;asciilifeform;notably, it isn't a 32-bit-mirror
1249983;1440391173;punkman;well at least it's revoked :/
1249984;1440391311;asciilifeform;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=wblevins%40ix.netcom.com&op=index
1249985;1440391313;assbot;Search results for 'wblevins netcom ix com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGgfX2 )
1249986;1440391314;asciilifeform;^ it
1249987;1440391323;asciilifeform;(top)
1249988;1440391331;asciilifeform;err, both of'em
1249989;1440391375;BU769XX_dIQ;x%fail, is not that written into the (rules)
1249990;1440391432;punkman;more of them https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=wblevins@mail.orion.org
1249991;1440391432;assbot;Search results for 'wblevins orion org mail' ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGgsK1 )
1249992;1440391456;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1249963 << this.
1249993;1440391456;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 04:29:15; phf: there was a series of catchy commercials in constant tv rotation in the early 90s, that are simultaneously associated with collapse, "wild 90s" and plebs getting fucked left and right by yeltzin, oligarchs, tv spiritualists, scams, central bank etc.
1249994;1440391459;BU769XX_dIQ;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ
1249995;1440391460;assbot;MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGgth8 )
1249996;1440391497;asciilifeform;in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head.
1249997;1440391549;asciilifeform;BU769XX_dIQ: did not even consider reading the logs?
1249998;1440391561;asciilifeform;!down BU769XX_dIQ
1249999;1440391873;punkman;http://livinglegendteam.blogspot.gr/2011/05/army-pfc-william-s-blevins.html
1250000;1440391874;assbot;Fallen Heroes: Army Pfc. William S. Blevins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGh9D1 )
1250001;1440392293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82900 @ 0.00072088 = 59.761 BTC [-] {5} 
1250002;1440392781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38504 @ 0.00072553 = 27.9358 BTC [+]
1250003;1440393164;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes your system is leaking ip
1250004;1440393164;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250005;1440393192;asciilifeform;punkman: blevins key claimed a vintage of '98..
1250006;1440393234;asciilifeform;(this is perhaps a good moment to point out that these dates mean little. unless someone in my wot has a very vintage copy of sks key collection that he's willing to swear to.)
1250007;1440393490;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1249964 << mega-recommended to all sc4m0l0g1sts
1250008;1440393490;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 04:29:23; phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOYfxqsBoFY
1250009;1440393536;asciilifeform;(these depict a 'common man' who 'makes good' from 'investing well' in the pyramid)
1250010;1440393658;asciilifeform;see the 4'21" mark where appears a multilayer phantasy where 'i can buy back my old construction equipment, do honest work!!111'
1250011;1440393692;asciilifeform;this kind of lure is only really thinkable in a ru90s-style collapsy context
1250012;1440393773;ben_vulpes;ty asciilifeform
1250013;1440394002;asciilifeform;8'34" mark, extra-lulz, introducing 'reboot' of the scam.
1250014;1440394012;asciilifeform;some time i gotta do subtitles for these. very educational.
1250015;1440394623;punkman;looking at http://mmmglobal.org/ , seems he is focusing on India, China, Indonesia, etc now
1250016;1440394624;assbot;MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfbbLC )
1250017;1440394643;punkman;billions of new suckers
1250018;1440394687;punkman;"This is a community of ordinary people, selflessly helping each other, a kind of the Global Fund of mutual aid. This is the first sprout of something new in the modern soulless and ruthless world of greed and hard cash. The goal here is not the money. The goal is to destroy the world's unjust financial system. Financial Apocalypse!"
1250019;1440394971;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di2ogqfnQ4A << for spatio-temporal tourists.
1250020;1440394972;assbot;Вещи СССР Ностальгия по СССР рождённым в СССР - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfbIgs )
1250021;1440397234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43758 @ 0.00072567 = 31.7539 BTC [+]
1250022;1440398156;punkman;so 21.co has mined 17k bitcoins in last 4 months. I wonder if they have any of their own chips or just renting.
1250023;1440405485;jurov;;;later tell trinque sorry, it fell between the cracks, next week
1250024;1440405486;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250025;1440405591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5825 @ 0.00072584 = 4.228 BTC [+] {2} 
1250026;1440405669;jurov;;;later tell asciilifeform currently if it gets only detached signature, it looks the signed file up using the hash in filename, this is being redone - will use original filename instead
1250027;1440405669;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250028;1440405758;punkman;jurov: I didn't put a hash in my detached sig filename though
1250029;1440405825;jurov;that's another thing, if there is valid clearsigned text, it leaves all attachments
1250030;1440405868;jurov;cuz otherwise "$#@$% it ate my attachmetns, dun wanna such mutilation"
1250031;1440406246;jurov;punkman: if you recall, 21.co went into bed with intel
1250032;1440406822;punkman;jurov: as reported by coindesk?
1250033;1440407649;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/c4WNF
1250034;1440407650;assbot;SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hChsIp )
1250035;1440407655;fluffypony;inb4 shoes banned from datacenters
1250036;1440407957;chetty;the new green energy, put all the fat people on tread mills!
1250037;1440407994;punkman;"SexyCyborg says, while her choice of clothing might be shocking to  Westerners, people in Shenzhen couldn't give two bits! As seen in her  numerous scantily clad photos with lots of disinterested pedestrians in  the background."
1250038;1440408100;wyrdmantis;;;later tell mircea_popescu so why l2 cache is relevant? give me a hint, please.
1250039;1440408100;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250040;1440408855;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3hckxv/debate_in_rrealasians_over_whether_or_not_its_ok/cu6uuu5
1250041;1440408857;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1hCifJb )
1250042;1440409188;shinohai;Who did you exploit today?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwvrGHsjD7g
1250043;1440409189;assbot;Beat Kidz - Who did you exploit today? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hCitQK )
1250044;1440409328;cazalla;punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that
1250045;1440409353;fluffypony;it's certainly a different culture
1250046;1440409499;punkman;fluffypony: inb4 shoes banned from datacenters << I'd visit fluffypony's nudist datacenter
1250047;1440409505;fluffypony;hah hah
1250048;1440409667;cazalla;i don't buy that that chick came up with that shop, probably marketing material and it'll be on kickstarter tmw
1250049;1440409676;cazalla;shoe*
1250050;1440409740;punkman;cazalla: why's that
1250051;1440409771;cazalla;why would a chick be watching mr robot, a show guerrilla marketed at 4chan autists
1250052;1440409798;punkman;she doesn't seem to be selling anything or asking for "tips" of any kind
1250053;1440409849;cazalla;perhaps even a tp-link advertisement then
1250054;1440409867;fluffypony;I dunno cazalla
1250055;1440409868;fluffypony;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Robot_(TV_series)#Ratings
1250056;1440409869;assbot;Mr. Robot (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hCiUua )
1250057;1440409874;punkman;it's reddity/derpy, sure, I'll give you that
1250058;1440409892;fluffypony;consistently over 3 million viewers in the US
1250059;1440409916;fluffypony;I think the "omg real hacker tools" thing is to appeal to script kiddies
1250060;1440409932;fluffypony;but the show itself is fairly well received among non-techie audiences
1250061;1440409942;cazalla;fluffypony, that's total viewers.. doesn't even top 2 million viewers in the US
1250062;1440409962;*;fluffypony shakes his head
1250063;1440409964;fluffypony;that's total for the US
1250064;1440409970;fluffypony;they count DVR separately to live
1250065;1440409983;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 261 @ 0.00846052 = 2.2082 BTC [-] {13} 
1250066;1440410004;fluffypony;they don't count international viewers because that's all syndication
1250067;1440410017;cazalla;well, what do i know, i don't watch tv on tv
1250068;1440410034;fluffypony;neither do I
1250069;1440410040;fluffypony;I wouldn't fall into those numbers at all
1250070;1440410129;fluffypony;but that's why shows I've enjoyed, like Mozart in the Jungle, have no "cable" ratings
1250071;1440410158;fluffypony;heh, she made some LED shoes a few weeks ago: http://imgur.com/a/bmU5y
1250072;1440410159;assbot;My DIY LED Shoes - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hCj5FR )
1250073;1440410222;cazalla;looks like has has fake tits, sorta falls in my favour.. same bandanna and clothing in each photo too despite weeks apart
1250074;1440410269;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/cAyO2
1250075;1440410270;assbot;My DIY Underlit LED (Hikaru) Skirt - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hCjacQ )
1250076;1440410273;fluffypony;her underlit skirt
1250077;1440410289;fluffypony;"This shot was needed after my last project which no one believed I made. Because when they put your boobs in they suck out your brains. Everyones knows that's how it works:-) If it's still a problem I'll just have to wear a GoPro for the whole process LOL"
1250078;1440410313;cazalla;same work shop clothing again
1250079;1440410341;fluffypony;I wear the same clothing when I'm working on my drones
1250080;1440410347;fluffypony;probably 9/10 times
1250081;1440410410;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/WE60zvu.jpg dat holding his own wrist
1250082;1440410410;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hCjg46 )
1250083;1440410427;fluffypony;hah hah
1250084;1440410439;fluffypony;"BE COOL BRO, DON'T MESS THIS ONE UP"
1250085;1440412606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74264 @ 0.00072278 = 53.6765 BTC [-] {7} 
1250086;1440413500;chetty;Because when they put your boobs in they suck out your brains.// odd I always thought it was the second head that was the issue with brain loss
1250087;1440415964;punkman;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-shares-wipe-out-2015-gains-as-stocks-tumble-85-2015-08-24
1250088;1440415966;assbot;China shares wipe out 2015 gains as stocks tumble 8.5% - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1PMclAo )
1250089;1440416614;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250081 < fuck-o-shima under skirt?
1250090;1440416614;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 10:00:10; cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/WE60zvu.jpg dat holding his own wrist
1250091;1440417486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34356 @ 0.00072585 = 24.9373 BTC [+]
1250092;1440418462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.00072987 = 28.1044 BTC [+] {2} 
1250093;1440423307;kakobrekla;crazy day on the market floor
1250094;1440423834;chetty;<kakobrekla> crazy day on the market floor// someone is dumb enoguh to buy it seems
1250095;1440425172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00072793 = 17.07 BTC [-]
1250096;1440425361;punkman;http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/08/heres-what-ashley-madison-members-have.html
1250097;1440425362;assbot;Troy Hunt: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me ... ( http://bit.ly/1h8TSSA )
1250098;1440425660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186853 @ 0.00073155 = 136.6923 BTC [+] {5} 
1250099;1440426459;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i67ix/bitpay_supports_increase_in_bitcoin_block_size/cudtice << lol davout
1250100;1440426645;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i4wfx/its_either_going_to_happen_or_already_has/ << they srsly think Gavin was the good guy and is not compromised, and is colluding with Hearn on XT because "the community" has been "hijacked".
1250101;1440426697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00073806 = 26.9392 BTC [+] {3} 
1250102;1440427069;PeterL;A few days ago somebody asked about kids TV shows, my kids like "Phineas and Ferb" and "Teen Titans Go", not horrible to have in the other room like most kids shows these days
1250103;1440427212;thestringpuller;PeterL: How is Teen Titans Go as just a show? (Did you ever see the Teen Titans from the early 2000's?)
1250104;1440427322;PeterL;I never watched "Teen Titans", which I understand followed them fighting bad guys? Teen Titans Go is absurdly silly, mostly just them hanging around their tower, it's ok in small doses
1250105;1440427436;mike_c;;;seen asciilifeform
1250106;1440427438;gribble;asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 1 minute, and 5 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di2ogqfnQ4A << for spatio-temporal tourists.
1250107;1440428226;funkenstein_;PeterL, what does it mean "not bad to have in other room" ?
1250108;1440428268;PeterL;like, I wouldn't sit down and watch it myself, but if they watch it I don't stab my ears, like if "Dora the Explora" gets turned on
1250109;1440428307;funkenstein_;so like, when it's the neighbors who somehow you don't care about their development at all, it's bearable
1250110;1440428353;PeterL;I mean, they are not bad as kids shows, but still definitely aimed at kids and not adults
1250111;1440428424;PeterL;I don't have my kids watch TV for development, it is just entertainment
1250112;1440428443;funkenstein_;just turn it off brother.  please.
1250113;1440428467;PeterL;well, they don't watch much of it
1250114;1440428484;Adlai;!s hit them
1250115;1440428485;assbot;37 results for 'hit them' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hit+them
1250116;1440428491;Adlai;!s and hit them
1250117;1440428492;assbot;17 results for 'and hit them' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=and+hit+them
1250118;1440428500;Adlai;it's in there, somewhere
1250119;1440428527;PeterL;but sometimes me and Mrs L want to have some alone time on sunday afternoon, and the kids need something to distract them
1250120;1440428528;thestringpuller;"And so I ask you this one question. Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them? " - Bender
1250121;1440428571;PeterL;what does hitting them accomplish?
1250122;1440428711;*;Adlai doesn't agree with that philosophy literally, but doesn't agree with the generally popular approach to child-rearing either
1250123;1440428761;Adlai;PeterL: if there's more than one, and they're old enough not to try eating the stones, i'd suggest replacing the TV with a goban
1250124;1440428894;PeterL;well, we have one of those, but only the oldest would understand what to do with it (maybe the second, I should pull it out and see sometime?) the third wouldn't eat the stones, he would probably grab them and throw them across the room, causing the first two to come screaming to me that their brother ruined the game
1250125;1440429107;Adlai;worth a try imo, although it admittedly would intrude on the afternoon alone time
1250126;1440430466;asciilifeform;;;seen mike_c
1250127;1440430467;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 minutes and 29 seconds ago: <mike_c> ;;seen asciilifeform
1250128;1440430467;mircea_popescu;16k ahahaha
1250129;1440430473;mircea_popescu;check that shit out.
1250130;1440430486;mike_c;hey ascii.  wanted to chat about the graph thing when you have a few
1250131;1440430500;mircea_popescu;hey, USG "press", where are all the articles about how US collapses amid dji never-before-seen losses ?
1250132;1440430511;mircea_popescu;you know, all the ones about china two months ago, do a search and replace. no good ?
1250133;1440430513;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1250134;1440430557;asciilifeform;mike_c: may be premature, i haven't fully written the antecedent walker yet. but basic idea was to create a browsable (possibly clickable) directed acyclic graph
1250135;1440430583;PeterL;my US stock investments have recently lost everything they gained since January, big old 0% increase on the year now
1250136;1440430593;asciilifeform;mike_c: eat node corresponds to a particular 'v' filehash.
1250137;1440430593;mike_c;Ok.  That was my impression, that the data source wasn't quite ready yet.  we can wait.
1250138;1440430608;mike_c;yeah, makes sense
1250139;1440430681;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah a bit of an early thing on my part. on the theory that prolly you're doing plenty of other things and want to schedule things
1250140;1440430692;mike_c;indeed :)
1250141;1440430699;mircea_popescu;PeterL imo holding any sort of usg paper is irresponsible, but that's just me.
1250142;1440430708;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1250143;1440430709;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.53, Best ask: 219.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 219.53, 24 hour volume: 28152.10277529, 24 hour low: 211.56, 24 hour high: 230.16, 24 hour vwap: None
1250144;1440430710;mike_c;Currently I am wrangling with python gnupg, which turns out to be a pile of shit
1250145;1440430718;asciilifeform;mike_c: it very much is!
1250146;1440430725;mircea_popescu;meanwhile bitcoin clearly poised to absorb the shocks lmao.
1250147;1440430738;punkman;https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg << this is slightly better than the other version
1250148;1440430739;assbot;isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tMTd )
1250149;1440430748;asciilifeform;and that magic feeling you get when you learn that 1) dealing with a massive pile of shit 2) the only alternative is to recreate the thing from minerals
1250150;1440430748;PeterL;well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh
1250151;1440430753;mircea_popescu;all these people derping about how "oh, cyprus banks collapsed - bitcoin lalala ; oh argentina default - bitcoin lalala" don't comprehend the very basics of how economics works.
1250152;1440430760;mike_c;punkman: thanks, I'll check it out.  there's a lot of versions floating around
1250153;1440430760;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://bitbet.us/bet/1167/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-september/ should be interesting.
1250154;1440430761;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 1 week 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tOKK )
1250155;1440430776;mircea_popescu;mike_c from what i've seen, the python-anything turns out that way
1250156;1440430789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a shell-callout to gpg
1250157;1440430793;mike_c;not in my experience, but this area, it is.
1250158;1440430811;punkman;python-gpgme doesn't call out to shell but I haven't used it
1250159;1440430819;mike_c;a hacked together with band-aids and rubber bands shell callout
1250160;1440430838;asciilifeform;mike_c: gpgme is a wrapper for gpg !!
1250161;1440430847;mike_c;gpgme i don't know about
1250162;1440430862;asciilifeform;and barely works.
1250163;1440430903;mike_c;oh fuck, it stands for "gpg made easy"?  that's not promising
1250164;1440430923;asciilifeform;thing to realize is that gpg was written to be maximally un-librarifiable. like gcc.
1250165;1440430950;mircea_popescu;was it ?
1250166;1440430961;asciilifeform;this was my conclusion from own study.
1250167;1440430963;mike_c;so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts?  how to use the fking thing?
1250168;1440430996;mircea_popescu;mike_c another premature thing is a pgp implementation that's proper.
1250169;1440431002;mike_c;!up wywialm
1250170;1440431010;mircea_popescu;looks like it'll be the first competing standard we end up writing.
1250171;1440431018;mike_c;wywialm: what do the quedex guys use to talk to gpg?
1250172;1440431022;asciilifeform;if simply trying to verify sigs, the python-gpg crud sorta works.
1250173;1440431027;davout;mike_c: i got gpgme to work fine fwiw
1250174;1440431042;mike_c;oh?  ok.. I will check it out. thanks.
1250175;1440431067;punkman;https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/gpgv.html  this might be easier if you are just verifying
1250176;1440431068;assbot;gpgv - Using the GNU Privacy Guard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2uhg9 )
1250177;1440431087;mike_c;not just verifying.  encryptying, decrypting, verifying.
1250178;1440431318;punkman;I wonder how many klock are in gpg, anyone counted it?
1250179;1440431324;punkman;*kloc
1250180;1440431332;wywialm;hi all
1250181;1440431369;mircea_popescu;ello
1250182;1440431379;wywialm;mike_c, from the client side, we have a python-gnupg wrapper app around our api
1250183;1440431399;wywialm;if that is what you ask about
1250184;1440431405;mike_c;ah, k.  yeah.
1250185;1440431414;mircea_popescu;technically vice-versa but anyway.
1250186;1440431431;mike_c;thanks.  i was looking for good alternatives.
1250187;1440431448;mike_c;going to give gpgme a run around the block and see how that does.
1250188;1440431491;wywialm;that is very temporary, we'll be moving to java bouncy castle in the near future
1250189;1440431514;wywialm;i.e. this python-gnupg - calling gpg is just too slow
1250190;1440431524;mike_c;whole app is going to java?
1250191;1440431533;wywialm;that is a most likely scenario
1250192;1440431537;mike_c;interesting
1250193;1440431542;mircea_popescu;o.O
1250194;1440431551;mircea_popescu;you are going to java, ~for speed~.
1250195;1440431553;punkman;wywialm: does that thing do gpg?
1250196;1440431574;mike_c;"Generators/Processors for OpenPGP "
1250197;1440431585;wywialm;yes
1250198;1440431605;mike_c;out of curiousity, what's "too slow"?
1250199;1440431641;mike_c;i mean, unless you're supporting HFT, is it really a problem for the client app?
1250200;1440431641;wywialm;mircea_popescu, is there something i miss? re bouncy castle: we'll most likely have to write a library to make it more usable
1250201;1440431652;mircea_popescu;phf no, you're right, i dunno what i was thinking.
1250202;1440431677;mircea_popescu;turns out in point of fact a good chunk of the internet "ponzi" subculture has to do with this schmuck promoting nonsense like it's his mission in life.
1250203;1440431717;mircea_popescu;wywialm java is just hated here, is all.
1250204;1440431787;wywialm;for "high touch" users, no, pyton-gnupg is more or less ok, but for algo and managing mulitple instruments the delays are noticeable
1250205;1440431837;mike_c;go tit
1250206;1440431838;mircea_popescu;should be fun once pgp is implemented properly as full rsa.
1250207;1440431841;mike_c;*got it :)
1250208;1440431849;mircea_popescu;"non starter!!11"
1250209;1440431887;punkman;full rsa?
1250210;1440431900;mircea_popescu;yeah
1250211;1440431962;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYPJZK6NdKc << omfg she's ugly.
1250212;1440431963;assbot;Reklama MMM Lenya Golubkov, 90 e 240 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPAYel )
1250213;1440431974;mike_c;full rsa would make for some long messages
1250214;1440431992;mike_c;but I hear bandwidth is doubling every year for the next 10 years :)
1250215;1440432014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which 'she'
1250216;1440432021;mircea_popescu;the shuba woiman lol.
1250217;1440432031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and see, if they used hot gurlz, it wouldn't be 'common man !!11!!!111'
1250218;1440432037;mircea_popescu;shit... dude i miss the drunken evening over a musama covered table with drunk people.
1250219;1440432038;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1250220;1440432040;asciilifeform;there was a specific algo used here
1250221;1440432044;punkman;what's the difference of full rsa to current gpg?
1250222;1440432066;mike_c;i was assuming he meant not using AES to encode the message
1250223;1440432068;wywialm;mircea_popescu, what is java most hated for - in particular, in client-side? and what is the recommended alternative for similar purposes?
1250224;1440432073;mircea_popescu;punkman currently a symmetric session key is rsa encrypted.
1250225;1440432083;asciilifeform;punkman, mike_c: the idea is to abolish the session key.
1250226;1440432093;mircea_popescu;wyrdmantis slow, large memory footprint, undebuggable in that order.
1250227;1440432095;mike_c;hence long messages
1250228;1440432105;mircea_popescu;mike_c slow. not necessarily so long.
1250229;1440432106;mike_c;cuz message has to be encoded for each recipient
1250230;1440432133;mircea_popescu;wyrdmantis and the alternative is asm, obviously :))
1250231;1440432139;wywialm;:)
1250232;1440432165;mike_c;JVM is not accepted on my machine
1250233;1440432169;wywialm;in that tune? http://i.imgur.com/pujXiVy.jpg
1250234;1440432170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPBtFi )
1250235;1440432186;mike_c;because I don't trust it.
1250236;1440432200;mike_c;even on my windows box..
1250237;1440432201;wywialm;mike_c, we will not drop the python app
1250238;1440432212;mircea_popescu;wyrdmantis just because web-programmers suck doesn't mean asm no longer exists.
1250239;1440432248;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1249996 << they did that much of a public service.
1250240;1440432248;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 04:44:57; asciilifeform: in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head.
1250241;1440432267;mircea_popescu;dude there's two people with wy ? apologies for misdirection
1250242;1440432273;wywialm;np :)
1250243;1440432737;BingoBoingo;So, going out to pick up some chicken hearts to fry up for breakfast I saw the local much beloved microwave tower covered in a tent of some sort
1250244;1440432907;mircea_popescu;go on ?
1250245;1440432964;BingoBoingo;Well, why the fuck does a microwave tower need to wear clothes?
1250246;1440433002;punkman;because of derps sensitive to wifi?
1250247;1440433049;BingoBoingo;There better not be any of those around here.
1250248;1440433163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00072789 = 16.1592 BTC [-] {3} 
1250249;1440433257;mircea_popescu;maybe some kids wanted to fuck but didn't know how to camp so they used the available pilar ?
1250250;1440433308;BingoBoingo;Could be that.
1250251;1440433708;funkenstein_;perhaps "java" is too broad a descriptor with all the different compilers, VMs or not, etc. available
1250252;1440435768;mircea_popescu;only if one proposes to actually make java work.
1250253;1440435980;BingoBoingo;You know, this Chinese market mess is going to be hell on whatever's left of the US auto industry.
1250254;1440436047;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1250255;1440436091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63902 @ 0.00072393 = 46.2606 BTC [-] {2} 
1250256;1440436371;BingoBoingo;The kulaks there were really starting to develop a taste for Buick and pickup trucks
1250257;1440436376;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250011 << really, only thinkable in a "gross mismanagement context", among a field replete with half baked tin women.
1250258;1440436376;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 05:21:32; asciilifeform: this kind of lure is only really thinkable in a ru90s-style collapsy context
1250259;1440436385;mircea_popescu;something perhaps to be seen again. this decade.
1250260;1440436422;mircea_popescu;that sort of large scale mismanagement is always the result of technical objects satisfying perceived imagological needs first and foremost. like the fortifications of the eternal city.
1250261;1440436556;thestringpuller;http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf << "Major Players" 4 of these have a DERP listing
1250262;1440436608;mircea_popescu;pdf is not the output of a --clearsign command.
1250263;1440436609;mircea_popescu;rejected.
1250264;1440436683;thestringpuller;http://dpaste.com/2CQ0T31.txt << de-turdified for you
1250265;1440436698;thestringpuller;"Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run
1250266;1440436700;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/a/c4WNF << win srsly.
1250267;1440436701;assbot;SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hChsIp )
1250268;1440436850;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i7mtz/8_major_players_support_bip_101/ << teh comments astounding
1250269;1440436895;mircea_popescu;fluffypony barefoot womenz in dcs ?!
1250270;1440436921;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: well we need to be more certain
1250271;1440436928;fluffypony;have to be safe
1250272;1440436934;fluffypony;bend over and cough
1250273;1440436943;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250038 < uh what hint. the cpu has to do some math to ecdsa. that math happens talking to the cpu cache not disk or ram.
1250274;1440436943;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 09:21:40; wyrdmantis: ;;later tell mircea_popescu so why l2 cache is relevant? give me a hint, please.
1250275;1440436951;*;BingoBoingo waits for pentesting buttplug album
1250276;1440436957;mircea_popescu;fluffypony did the chick give you some ideas now ?
1250277;1440436968;mircea_popescu;honestly i've been tempted by shenzen for a while now.
1250278;1440436977;fluffypony;apparently you're not allowed to institute such safety measures in a DC
1250279;1440436977;fluffypony;pity
1250280;1440437156;mircea_popescu;mats go to shenzen rent a flat for me.
1250281;1440437181;mats;you gonna visit?
1250282;1440437219;*;mircea_popescu kinda had it with argentina.
1250283;1440437244;mircea_popescu;it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
1250284;1440437252;BingoBoingo;That was fast.
1250285;1440437323;mircea_popescu;guess so huh.
1250286;1440437337;mats;i can't even afford to go myself :P
1250287;1440437454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250044 << you think isis is different ?
1250288;1440437454;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 09:42:08; cazalla: punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that
1250289;1440437459;mircea_popescu;this is how asia lives, yo.
1250290;1440437739;kakobrekla;so wait, next ba meet is in shenzen?
1250291;1440437768;mircea_popescu;either that or skipping a year. i'm not doing another one in b-a. you've seen it all. literally.
1250292;1440437827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250051 << dude srsly... hotness is an uncorrelated variable. it's not like you're rolling up a new d&d dollie and have a total of 24 points to distribute to stats.
1250293;1440437827;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 09:49:31; cazalla: why would a chick be watching mr robot, a show guerrilla marketed at 4chan autists
1250294;1440437853;mircea_popescu;teen enjoys geeky show, decides to give herself tits. only thing uncommon is that she had the guts to take control. otherwise...
1250295;1440438011;mike_c;22 hours from jfk to shenzen.  ouch.
1250296;1440438028;kakobrekla;i bet alf is gonna be disappointed. no coffee, no icecream, no steak.
1250297;1440438042;mike_c;oh, with layover.  nevermind
1250298;1440438070;mike_c;only 17 hours in the air.
1250299;1440438093;kakobrekla;;;ticker
1250300;1440438094;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 210.75, Best ask: 211.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 211.24, 24 hour volume: 32200.11546723, 24 hour low: 209.0, 24 hour high: 229.07, 24 hour vwap: None
1250301;1440438097;mats;i'll be surprised if mp sticks around shenzhen as long as he does buenos aires
1250302;1440438098;mircea_popescu;what, not like they don't let him in without conf invite lol
1250303;1440438101;kakobrekla;better buy seats while you still can ;)
1250304;1440438109;mircea_popescu;whyssat mats  ?
1250305;1440438110;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250167 << this is precisely the direction I'm going to go with deedbot, due to pain with python-gnupg; I've yet to try the one punkman suggested, so perhaps that one's better. I grow to believe this is the only way to do anything right on a *nix.
1250306;1440438110;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:43; mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts?  how to use the fking thing?
1250307;1440438130;mircea_popescu;mike_c how long was ny-ba ? like 14 ?
1250308;1440438156;mike_c;11
1250309;1440438167;mircea_popescu;anyway - not my fault the concorde lapsed without replacement. imo THAT is the end point of white civilisation.
1250310;1440438177;mircea_popescu;in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.
1250311;1440438218;mats;crowded, terrible air, you don't speak chinese, you'll never be chinese, inscrutable local politics
1250312;1440438247;mircea_popescu;haha. i can be fucking zulu.
1250313;1440438263;mircea_popescu;all it takes is me wanting to. which, granted, high fucking bar.
1250314;1440438396;mats;but hey, you'll be real popular. chinese people love to practice english on white folk.
1250315;1440438398;BingoBoingo;Why Shenzen and not the Democratic Congo of Ferguson?
1250316;1440438412;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1250317;1440438422;asciilifeform;meanwhile...
1250318;1440438423;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E4238BCC0112753AE0F09AB7ADD0DC02BF14CF02877D0E687597AA9ECB415DE
1250319;1440438427;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBBzV6 )
1250320;1440438436;asciilifeform;gcd == 25; Ken Fischer <kfischer@studio.sgi.com>
1250321;1440438455;mats;isn't that the outfit gavin worked for?
1250322;1440438462;trinque;are we to the point where we give up on scoopbot yet?
1250323;1440438464;mircea_popescu;oh, is the scoop off ?
1250324;1440438470;trinque;I have a feeds module at the ready.
1250325;1440438473;mircea_popescu;trinque weren't you ruinning it ?
1250326;1440438480;trinque;nah, williamdunne
1250327;1440438483;mircea_popescu;anyway,  http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/ < important!
1250328;1440438484;assbot;Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBBII6 )
1250329;1440438485;trinque;I am happy to though.
1250330;1440438494;mircea_popescu;;;seen williamdunne
1250331;1440438494;gribble;williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
1250332;1440438495;mike_c;question I don't expect an answer to:  how does mpex handle the gpg processing?
1250333;1440438508;mircea_popescu;trinque i guess so yeah.
1250334;1440438511;mircea_popescu;go fer it
1250335;1440438513;trinque;k
1250336;1440438549;mircea_popescu;"They have made good public presentations that only serve to enhance Bitcoins image. Due to factors like these, various ppl within the community will take an interest in their POV."
1250337;1440438570;mike_c;prolly in php.
1250338;1440438572;mircea_popescu;heh dude wtshit already. nobody cares what "people in the community" etc. bitcoin is fucking money.
1250339;1440438588;mircea_popescu;mike_c i ain't sayin' anything.
1250340;1440438609;mike_c;hand-coded PGP impelementation in PHP and javascript
1250341;1440438621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you gonna have white-man food and chix flown in or what
1250342;1440438642;asciilifeform;and if this, then why not do it on island fortress or arctic circle, aha
1250343;1440438687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would much rather fuck a plastic cyborg created out of the desire of the short yellow people to fit in with white civilisation than an actual scion of the latter.
1250344;1440438698;mircea_popescu;because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven.
1250345;1440438717;asciilifeform;jp sounds like a better deal then
1250346;1440438722;mats;lol
1250347;1440438724;mircea_popescu;japan is a fucking island.
1250348;1440438727;asciilifeform;they have the plastic chick part down
1250349;1440438750;asciilifeform;in cn you get to fuck a bag of rice with a hole drilled
1250350;1440438764;mircea_popescu;such hate. have you seen this particular technoslut ?
1250351;1440438771;asciilifeform;?
1250352;1440438784;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/a/c4WNF <
1250353;1440438785;assbot;SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hChsIp )
1250354;1440438800;mircea_popescu;her. tell me that if you had to share your lab you'd have a problem sharing it with her.
1250355;1440438801;asciilifeform;aha the matchstick
1250356;1440438807;mircea_popescu;yes, the matchstick.
1250357;1440438828;asciilifeform;but hey, на вкус и на цвет товарища нет (tm)
1250358;1440438836;mircea_popescu;not the point AT ALL.
1250359;1440438851;mircea_popescu;point is, nubbins` cook roommate.
1250360;1440438854;mircea_popescu;she ain't it.
1250361;1440438873;asciilifeform;i don't have one of those here...
1250362;1440438882;mircea_popescu;yeah, you do. everywhere.
1250363;1440438882;asciilifeform;and iirc mircea_popescu didn't either?
1250364;1440438888;trinque;chick looks like that and knows what a computer is; what's wrong?
1250365;1440438890;mircea_popescu;you live in fucking reddit republic and pretend it ends at the door.
1250366;1440438896;asciilifeform;it ends at the force field
1250367;1440438900;*;asciilifeform checks generators
1250368;1440438901;mircea_popescu;right.
1250369;1440438934;mircea_popescu;i lived a much better life of the spirit when i lived it among nude whores on sets, and plastic women making a point of being stupid
1250370;1440438944;asciilifeform;i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers the cn mega-reddits
1250371;1440438950;mircea_popescu;and so would you. this entire "give boys letters" thing is dumb.
1250372;1440438955;*;asciilifeform gets some exposure to the latter via ru
1250373;1440438970;mircea_popescu;kinda why i've not moved yet. i have nfi.
1250374;1440439169;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone know the rather epic story of the only concorde crash to date ?
1250375;1440439273;mircea_popescu;previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort.
1250376;1440439295;mircea_popescu;so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly.
1250377;1440439425;mircea_popescu;(jet fuel doesn't melt steel btw)
1250378;1440439436;ButtScoop;http://qntra.net/2015/08/windows-10-banned-from-numerous-torrent-trackers/
1250379;1440439437;assbot;Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPIzfh )
1250380;1440439465;punkman;and "Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10"
1250381;1440439487;mircea_popescu;doh.
1250382;1440439501;trinque;mircea_popescu | so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly. << lol!
1250383;1440439618;mircea_popescu;trinque i am not an expert in airflight security, or a pilot or anything. nevertheless, it's my opinion that this is a fine example of what thinking in a box is and what it gets you.
1250384;1440439640;mircea_popescu;specifically, the correct move there would have been to cut all engines, engage all brakes (including the chute) and read a magazine.
1250385;1440439657;mircea_popescu;fuck it, so it runs out of runway, runs through the airport fence, runs out into the fucking street.
1250386;1440439676;mircea_popescu;but no... they "had to take off", because trained experts, and being trained means not thinking of all alternatives.
1250387;1440439688;trinque;right, merely selecting one from the procedure book
1250388;1440439694;mircea_popescu;yeah
1250389;1440439703;trinque;my dad's a pilot; it's astounding how much scripted behavior they have to internalize
1250390;1440439709;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1250391;1440439735;mircea_popescu;also the notion that "anything's an option once all the scripts yield in predictable failure" is hard to maintain
1250392;1440439740;mircea_popescu;and no serious effort is made to maintain it
1250393;1440439750;mircea_popescu;"because why not just improve the scriptbook instead"
1250394;1440439787;trinque;goes right to "nobody could've forseen" by way of "they did all they could" because they exhausted the rulebook
1250395;1440439795;mircea_popescu;quite.
1250396;1440439839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but you defended this re: titanic !
1250397;1440439860;mircea_popescu;i do.
1250398;1440439886;mircea_popescu;in that case, what the guy did was the actual minimal path.
1250399;1440439891;mircea_popescu;in this case, what thery did is not.
1250400;1440439926;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921837 << that thread, linked for completeness
1250401;1440439926;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 19:46:44; asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions
1250402;1440439937;asciilifeform;but i can see what mircea_popescu meant here.
1250403;1440439958;mircea_popescu;my reading the magazine above is exactly in same degree and exactly the same kind, "recklessness".
1250404;1440439964;mircea_popescu;the alternative is "raising awareness"
1250405;1440440036;mircea_popescu;at any rate, this is a very vast thing, it unites the mentioned "when hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest"
1250406;1440440059;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/08/saic-whistlebreaker.htm << lulzy anonymus
1250407;1440440060;assbot;SAIC Whistlebreakers ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPLZP3 )
1250408;1440440060;mircea_popescu;to the very common "but you gotta play", seen at work for instance by the people who think they HAVE to take a mortgage, or buy a diamond ring, or go to college, or so on.
1250409;1440440063;mircea_popescu;"it's what's done".
1250410;1440440069;mircea_popescu;fuck it. if what's done doesn't pay you don't do it.
1250411;1440440179;BingoBoingo;;;later tell cazalla Apparently there is a bunny bubble nao http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article32102394.html
1250412;1440440180;assbot;Greenville girls sells rabbits at Illinois State Fair for $4,500 | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBENbf )
1250413;1440440180;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250414;1440440201;BingoBoingo;^ Notice country grammar in the title
1250415;1440440243;asciilifeform;englisch as she is sp0ken
1250416;1440440283;asciilifeform;'The third part was triggering bans on proxies VPNs and tor exit nodes, making as many file requests as possible so that users will not be able to use them to safely access websites. It involved using or circumventing the .htaccess file I am not sure which. "The goal is to divert bandwidth strangle traffic and get them to block their own users."'
1250417;1440440308;BingoBoingo;Also $75,000 for a barrow. Not even a breeding hog, a castrated pig is now worth a new Chevy Suburban.
1250418;1440440328;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if 'ebay' is any guide, an 'x-box' game machine is worth a few $k.
1250419;1440440340;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but if you know what money laundering is, then no surprise
1250420;1440440378;BingoBoingo;I see no other outcome. This isn't even artmarket altcoins which... Don't expire when the pig goes to slaughter.
1250421;1440440385;asciilifeform;(it is not altogether a waste of time to comb the site for items getting sold (not merely listed) for orders of magnitudes above any reasonable estimate of their worth. educational.)
1250422;1440440447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i ran a month or so of a similar thing mostly out of curiosity if this happens. notrly.
1250423;1440440467;asciilifeform;possibly happens in bursts.
1250424;1440440477;mircea_popescu;yeah, like everything else the us does.
1250425;1440440484;*;asciilifeform used to encounter unmistakeable examples with some regularity
1250426;1440440488;mircea_popescu;half hour worth on thursday evening
1250427;1440440488;BingoBoingo;"Donelson�s Land of Lincoln steer sold for a record $61,000 to the highest bidder, Governor Bruce Rauner."
1250428;1440440494;mircea_popescu;then they wonder why they can't keep baghdad
1250429;1440440535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform xbox is genuinely WORTH 2k of today's watered down dollare.
1250430;1440440552;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not in the toy store
1250431;1440440586;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's much a process like how we'll end up paying 5k for real cpu
1250432;1440440596;mircea_popescu;or windows head 5k for "real" windows 7
1250433;1440440602;asciilifeform;understand, there weren't vintage/rarity/mod-chipped units
1250434;1440440610;mircea_popescu;or ipadheads 5k for REAL not-fucked iphone
1250435;1440440610;mircea_popescu;etc
1250436;1440440625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i presumed they were chip-able in a certain manner.
1250437;1440440633;asciilifeform;nah they were (at the time) standard-issue.
1250438;1440440638;mircea_popescu;hm.
1250439;1440440648;mircea_popescu;maybe someone misunderstood something.
1250440;1440440677;asciilifeform;the one thing which may have been the boojum, other than straight laundry, is a secret dog-whistle via the price that the unit is modded
1250441;1440440692;asciilifeform;(cracked game machines were formally forbidden on ebay, iirc, long ago)
1250442;1440440729;mircea_popescu;aha.
1250443;1440440748;mircea_popescu;they prolly have a secret word for it too, like fags in 1950 ny.
1250444;1440440760;asciilifeform;seems like a dead certainty
1250445;1440440763;asciilifeform;but i do not know the word.
1250446;1440440772;mircea_popescu;"hey i saw your xbox on ebay, is it ment condition ?"
1250447;1440440778;mircea_popescu;"yes hubba ment condition all the way!"
1250448;1440440840;asciilifeform;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=kfischer%40studio.sgi.com&op=index
1250449;1440440841;assbot;Search results for 'studio sgi kfischer com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPPVPO )
1250450;1440440842;asciilifeform;^ mega-vintage
1250451;1440440870;asciilifeform;did early pgp just throw entirely unprocessed, raw sewage to generate the modulus ?!!
1250452;1440440882;asciilifeform;i mean, forfuckssake
1250453;1440440902;mircea_popescu;1996 ? who even knows.
1250454;1440440953;asciilifeform;that exe is still out there, somewhere. who wants a fairly simple student project !
1250455;1440441229;*;asciilifeform sits and fills out paperwork, re: some moron having crashed into his parked car.
1250456;1440441337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19864 @ 0.00072033 = 14.3086 BTC [-] {2} 
1250457;1440441561;mircea_popescu;why you ?
1250458;1440441573;asciilifeform;whaddayamean why me
1250459;1440441591;asciilifeform;'cause i have a car instead of a dirigible, and own two hands instead of servants ?
1250460;1440441636;mircea_popescu;you gotta ask your insurance basically ?
1250461;1440441643;asciilifeform;aha, gotta claim
1250462;1440441646;mircea_popescu;aha.
1250463;1440441659;asciilifeform;'unknown vehicle', same as if a meteorite fell.
1250464;1440441687;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fbc9c18bebd247778726d7cd01c038f5/tumblr_ntc5xtHggA1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg
1250465;1440441688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPUuK5 )
1250466;1440441733;asciilifeform;wawat
1250467;1440441746;mircea_popescu;also http://40.media.tumblr.com/f584252cb295b9c45307981283a45bda/tumblr_nrp3qz7xyh1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg
1250468;1440441747;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPUOIH )
1250469;1440441811;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190095 << old mircea_popescu-and-the-chinese thread, for extra lulz
1250470;1440441811;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 20:54:46; mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis
1250471;1440441825;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/b2bb5a81580b0bad166aee55e02164e8/tumblr_npt5il2KvL1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg
1250472;1440441827;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBJe5J )
1250473;1440441875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did someone mail you these and asked 'sister of mircea_popescu ?'
1250474;1440442124;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000155.html << congrats pete_dushenski
1250475;1440442125;assbot;[BTC-dev] v-genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPWJwX )
1250476;1440442134;asciilifeform;and it appears that scoopbot is dead as a stone.
1250477;1440442142;asciilifeform;(and has been for weeks..?)
1250478;1440442175;trinque;workin on it.
1250479;1440442182;trinque;bout to bring a deedbot- feeds module online
1250480;1440442236;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: your system is leaking ip.
1250481;1440442238;asciilifeform;still.
1250482;1440442590;ben_vulpes;circe
1250483;1440442597;ben_vulpes;considered harmful.
1250484;1440442648;asciilifeform;'...For the women whose jobs are to lead men astray Circe, Delilah, Morgan Le Fey.'
1250485;1440442656;trinque;deedbot-: feeds list
1250486;1440442656;deedbot-;No feeds.
1250487;1440442659;trinque;he lives
1250488;1440442716;trinque;I'm going to let it run in private for just a bit, after which when I'm satisfied with his behavior, will add feeds here.
1250489;1440443547;*;asciilifeform lacks the necessary lsd to fully digest the notion of mircea_popescu moving to the world's statally-strongest, taking-no-shit-from-the-white-man mega-ethnostate
1250490;1440443707;asciilifeform;y'know, the place which makes ru look civilized, friendly, inviting in comparison
1250491;1440443789;mircea_popescu;this categorical judgement thing.
1250492;1440443802;mircea_popescu;how's my chances on redheads ? what's the oracle say ?
1250493;1440443807;asciilifeform;l0l
1250494;1440443852;asciilifeform;looks more like 'chances on pluto' to me, but hey, not my dirigible. what's the thing for if not exploring worlds.
1250495;1440443910;mircea_popescu;pluto. how pluto dood. no people live in china ?
1250496;1440443918;asciilifeform;non-lactasepeople
1250497;1440443928;mats;china loves white people. white people got da money.
1250498;1440443950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know this worldview is how the south got its reputation for cousinfucking.
1250499;1440444016;asciilifeform;i mean, if i had to give up something like eating Proper Food, i'd rather live on tree bark in siberia. nice, quiet, prolly could get a photovoltaic set and satellite horn running there.
1250500;1440444052;asciilifeform;could prolly find a spot with nothing bipedal for 500km+
1250501;1440444082;mircea_popescu;how are the girls going to run around naked in siberia ? get locals ?
1250502;1440444091;asciilifeform;what girls.
1250503;1440444098;mircea_popescu;for that matter, stuff you hunt is proper food.
1250504;1440444102;asciilifeform;and think they can run naked in pekin ?
1250505;1440444115;mircea_popescu;pekin or b-a, or timisoara or so on
1250506;1440444125;mircea_popescu;pretty much anyone but the north american fucktardry.
1250507;1440444134;asciilifeform;pekin has 'morals' of ussr circa 1955
1250508;1440444141;asciilifeform;and the means to make it stick
1250509;1440444148;asciilifeform;unless i am catastrophically misinformed.
1250510;1440444175;asciilifeform;incidentally, if pekin, why not pyongyang ?
1250511;1440444175;mircea_popescu;catastrophically misinformed.
1250512;1440444205;asciilifeform;dirigible shield generator not strong enough for pyongyang ?
1250513;1440444239;trinque;I'm highly skeptical that a country building all the everything anyone uses on earth is anything like Pyongyang.
1250514;1440444261;mircea_popescu;why would i want to crash some lame fat fuck's party ?
1250515;1440444284;asciilifeform;idk, but i imagine it isn't any less entertaining than crashing a lame thin fuck's party ?
1250516;1440444313;mircea_popescu;who's the lame thin fuck of china again ? or i lost an antecedent, wut
1250517;1440444327;asciilifeform;i bet nubbins`'s cook roomie isn't any more present in pyongyang than in pekin
1250518;1440444476;mircea_popescu;or pluto...
1250519;1440444484;mircea_popescu;say, this is starting to make sense to me nopw.
1250520;1440444565;asciilifeform;at any rate, who am i to say that mircea_popescu would not fit in cn. perhaps he has always wanted to eat roast dog, pay 90% of his revenue as bakshish to local party 'райком', and endure the stench of the most packed mass of beoble known...
1250521;1440444599;mircea_popescu;how do you know all this ?
1250522;1440444613;asciilifeform;largely from ru folks working into/out of cn
1250523;1440444632;trinque;China is a gigantic country. All of it eats roast dog?
1250524;1440444633;asciilifeform;but 'mileage may vary' (tm) (r)
1250525;1440444654;mircea_popescu;kinda my point. working into/out of "cn". what is that ?
1250526;1440444662;asciilifeform;trinque: neither i nor the sources can speak for 'all' of anything. but cn is a rice kingdom, yes.
1250527;1440444675;asciilifeform;not much in the way of lactosy foodstuff served there, no.
1250528;1440444685;mircea_popescu;china is ten million square kms or some shit.
1250529;1440444698;asciilifeform;mostly empty, like usa, ru, or au
1250530;1440444707;trinque;right, and look at the variance you get in the USA
1250531;1440444739;trinque;say rural south vs downtown Seattle
1250532;1440444741;asciilifeform;but i reasoned that if mircea_popescu were an aficionado of mega-emptyspace, he'd be in patagonia now
1250533;1440444745;mircea_popescu;so you propose to me that a 10 mn sqkm surface inhabited by ~2bn people is ENTIRELY uninhabitable, on account of the fact that... RICE grows there ?
1250534;1440444761;asciilifeform;the poles are habitable.
1250535;1440444767;asciilifeform;with regular supply flights.
1250536;1440444774;trinque;or for that matter downtown Houston vs Magnolia, TX
1250537;1440444787;mircea_popescu;i needed regular supply flights in my own fucking country, just for having moved to the outskirts of my home province.,
1250538;1440444796;asciilifeform;trinque: y'know what houston and magnolia have in common? 'fedex' ships there.
1250539;1440444802;trinque;that much is true
1250540;1440444823;trinque;nobody ships to Shenzen?
1250541;1440444827;mircea_popescu;i have a dhl-in-the-desert pic from egypt
1250542;1440444829;trinque;I know for a fact they ship *from*
1250543;1440444834;mircea_popescu;trinque why would they :)
1250544;1440444841;trinque;ha, you're right
1250545;1440444845;mircea_popescu;you take water upriver much ? lol
1250546;1440444845;trinque;they make it all there
1250547;1440444848;asciilifeform;from - every half second!
1250548;1440444858;asciilifeform;to - another matter. but prolly just a question of cost
1250549;1440444862;asciilifeform;like shipping to the south pole.
1250550;1440444870;trinque;shenzen is not the south pole lol
1250551;1440444890;mircea_popescu;shenzen is, roughly speaking, detroit of 1920 or new jersey of 1880
1250552;1440444904;asciilifeform;they had fresh milk in detroit 1920 ?
1250553;1440444906;asciilifeform;or not ?
1250554;1440444910;mircea_popescu;for whom ?
1250555;1440444914;mircea_popescu;for the working class kids - no.
1250556;1440444952;asciilifeform;aha.
1250557;1440445050;asciilifeform;at any rate, this is not the class of problem which is a problem to mircea_popescu.
1250558;1440445068;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what this is.
1250559;1440445069;asciilifeform;for him, possibly more of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724281
1250560;1440445069;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2014 02:26:17; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ?
1250561;1440445101;mircea_popescu;the rent in romania article i linked coupla weeks ago was discussing "affordability" in terms of, "to people makinmg 400 euro per month as an avg salary".
1250562;1440445115;mircea_popescu;yes, that's not a concern. nevertheless, whether i buy or i don't buy is still a decision.
1250563;1440445125;asciilifeform;who the hell moves to ro to earn the local salary though
1250564;1440445153;mircea_popescu;and if i couldn't do business with a defined class, no matter which class, i'd have a very serious PERSONAL problem in my own estimation, and i'd go resolve it forthwith.
1250565;1440445164;mircea_popescu;;;google average salary in china
1250566;1440445165;gribble;China Average Yearly Wages - Trading Economics: <http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages>; Wages and employment | China Labour Bulletin: <http://www.clb.org.hk/en/content/wages-china>; The average Chinese private-sector worker earns about the same ...: <http://qz.com/170363/the-average-chinese-private-sector-worker-earns-about-the-same-as-a-cleaner-in-thailand/>
1250567;1440445175;mircea_popescu;and as to who : women.
1250568;1440445178;mircea_popescu;from ukraina.
1250569;1440445218;asciilifeform;it isn't a 'couldn't do business,' but my current understanding is that the han chinese see white man sorta how the gypsies see european - as somebody to be scammed clean at the first opportunity.
1250570;1440445247;mircea_popescu;usure this is not just how everyone sees idiots ?
1250571;1440445248;asciilifeform;ask al schwartz about the univ. of beijing carrying out (yes) the eotvos trials.
1250572;1440445371;asciilifeform;or i suppose i could talk about my years of working in labs with ~50% or so cn folks, getting to know'em, but i don't imagine mircea_popescu will find this interesting
1250573;1440445381;mircea_popescu;i would, sure.
1250574;1440445401;asciilifeform;then, essentially, urbanized pashtuns, with tribal-familial wot hardcoded in firmware
1250575;1440445441;asciilifeform;not related by blood or marriage ? then you're a barbarian, to be dealt with the way a teenager deals with a coke machine
1250576;1440445501;asciilifeform;other thing is that these fine folks have been perfecting organized fraud since before euro man climbed down from trees
1250577;1440445539;asciilifeform;ask the chemistry ph.d. how he got the sheepskin. ask the next dozen, also. 'washed glass for advisor'
1250578;1440445581;mircea_popescu;can we has case study instead of summary ?
1250579;1440445589;asciilifeform;few years back, they shot (or perhaps made noises of threatening to?) a mega-crystallographer in uni of beijing. he faked structures for decades, and his subordinates too
1250580;1440445597;asciilifeform;some of these are still (!) in ncbi db on www
1250581;1440445610;asciilifeform;^ case study
1250582;1440445622;mircea_popescu;you're so flunking case study 101 class...
1250583;1440445644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wanted case study of folks i saw with own eyes ?
1250584;1440445657;mircea_popescu;well yes, it's what you introduced
1250585;1440445692;asciilifeform;very well: dr y. y., biochemistry ph.d., age mid-30s (at the time); wasted perhaps $2mil of usg piggy, and everybody's time, for 5+ yrs.
1250586;1440445702;asciilifeform;my office mate, for a spell.
1250587;1440445723;asciilifeform;me: 'y., why do you read the 'times' all day?' y: 'i'm bored.'
1250588;1440445756;asciilifeform;me: 'why did you choose this profession, y?' y: 'wanted to be respectable'
1250589;1440445781;asciilifeform;me: 'your thesis reads just like a summary of dr. c's work'
1250590;1440445795;asciilifeform;y: 'i washed glass for dr. c and did his excel sheets'
1250591;1440445802;asciilifeform;enough ?
1250592;1440445820;asciilifeform;and yes, this was one. there are moar
1250593;1440445920;asciilifeform;perhaps completes the picture if i reveal that the man had wife, 2 y.o. son, back home. and they lived very well off his chickenfeed salary.
1250594;1440445929;asciilifeform;and so did the grandparents.
1250595;1440445935;trinque;k, turning on the feeds. each will barf top 5 when added.
1250596;1440445940;trinque;deedbot-: feeds list
1250597;1440445941;deedbot-;No feeds.
1250598;1440445952;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
1250599;1440445953;assbot;Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HcAG )
1250600;1440445953;deedbot-;http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ added.
1250601;1440445954;assbot;Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HcAG )
1250602;1440445967;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno what problem you see in there ?
1250603;1440445972;deedbot-;[Trilema] So the broomstick fired. - http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/
1250604;1440445973;assbot;So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
1250605;1440445973;deedbot-;[Trilema] El Gran' Teatro Argentino - http://trilema.com/2015/el-gran-teatro-argentino/
1250606;1440445974;assbot;El Gran' Teatro Argentino on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HibC )
1250607;1440445974;deedbot-;[Trilema] I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. - http://trilema.com/2015/i-killed-one-im-publishing-another-who-the-hell-knows-whats-going-on-anymore/
1250608;1440445974;assbot;I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HirT )
1250609;1440445974;mircea_popescu;seems to me a lot better than $coleague
1250610;1440445974;deedbot-;[Trilema] Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations - http://trilema.com/2015/oglaf-is-still-the-biggest-thing-happening-in-english-and-other-considerations/
1250611;1440445975;assbot;Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HhEz )
1250612;1440445975;deedbot-;[Trilema] Naivity in finance - http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/
1250613;1440445976;assbot;Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBBII6 )
1250614;1440445985;mircea_popescu;o.O
1250615;1440445987;trinque;maybe assbot could ignore deedbot- ^
1250616;1440446004;mircea_popescu;he used to, but then we changed it's name
1250617;1440446010;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla update plox
1250618;1440446036;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://qntra.net/feed/
1250619;1440446037;assbot;Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9Hwzs )
1250620;1440446037;deedbot-;http://qntra.net/feed/ added.
1250621;1440446038;assbot;Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9Hwzs )
1250622;1440446069;trinque;and I recall conversation around phuctor's rss. should I add it?
1250623;1440446071;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation - http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/
1250624;1440446072;assbot;Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HDej )
1250625;1440446072;deedbot-;[Qntra] Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork - http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork/
1250626;1440446073;assbot;Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HEyO )
1250627;1440446073;deedbot-;[Qntra] Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans - http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/
1250628;1440446073;assbot;Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
1250629;1440446073;deedbot-;[Qntra] Mining Difficulty Advances For The Fourth Consecutive Time - http://qntra.net/2015/08/mining-difficulty-advances-for-the-fourth-consecutive-time/
1250630;1440446074;assbot;Mining Difficulty Advances For The Fourth Consecutive Time | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kg2TFm )
1250631;1440446074;deedbot-;[Qntra] BitBet Prediction Market Opens XTCoin Bet, Pool already over 100 BTC - http://qntra.net/2015/08/bitbet-prediction-market-opens-xtcoin-bet-pool-already-over-100-btc/
1250632;1440446075;assbot;BitBet Prediction Market Opens XTCoin Bet, Pool already over 100 BTC | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1EdS9GG )
1250633;1440446075;deedbot-;[Qntra] Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers - http://qntra.net/2015/08/windows-10-banned-from-numerous-torrent-trackers/
1250634;1440446076;assbot;Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPIzfh )
1250635;1440446128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps more on subject, the interesting and magic moment came when a middle-aged animal handler chick from cn was fired (over long-standing dispute over a paper's attribution) with the (.in) chief
1250636;1440446155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whole orchestra of cn folks, many who did not even appear in the org chart but somehow had leverage, appeared out of nowhere, making a fuss
1250637;1440446163;asciilifeform;simply because bloodwot.
1250638;1440446237;mircea_popescu;danke.
1250639;1440446253;kakobrekla;yup
1250640;1440446351;BingoBoingo;The biodiesel revolution has started http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/surgeon-uses-human-fat-to-run-his-cars-1211431.html
1250641;1440446352;assbot;Surgeon uses human fat to run his cars - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9IHyJ )
1250642;1440446410;BingoBoingo;"However the discovery left medical regulators unimpressed. Using human medical waste to power vehicles (or indeed for any other commercial purpose) is largely illegal, and Dr Bittner's clinic has been raided by California Health Department officials."
1250643;1440446453;mircea_popescu;that's what they did to th ewater engine too'!!11!11!
1250644;1440446507;BingoBoingo;Seriously.
1250645;1440446510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them..
1250646;1440446552;mircea_popescu;well for sure us is very similar to ro, in the following amusing way : /me clearly recalls arab fellow living in romania explaining to me the problems with gypsies.
1250647;1440446600;mircea_popescu;adding to the amusement, the part that he wasn't aware that to the average romanian, the arab,gypsy difference seems slight. but i suspect you know in english russian, chinese, same deal.
1250648;1440446751;*;BingoBoingo more curious how mircea_popescu plans to get real internet in .cn
1250649;1440446760;mircea_popescu;but that aside, i have very little hope left to be much surprised by people.
1250650;1440446802;mircea_popescu;what, they dont have cable ?
1250651;1440446851;BingoBoingo;Don't they have that wall thing to keep the Mongols lost and until they get found, but for internet
1250652;1440446872;asciilifeform;but i, for one, look forward to reading mircea_popescu's description of life in middle kingdom!!
1250653;1440446892;mircea_popescu;o right. how am i going to get encrypted connections to my various servers. i dunno, BingoBoingo !
1250654;1440446904;mircea_popescu;maybe i discover they drop payloads at the backbone level
1250655;1440446911;mircea_popescu;LIKE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW
1250656;1440446929;asciilifeform;nah why do that when you can hang a man upside down and cut off his skin until have they key.
1250657;1440446942;BingoBoingo;sure, or they throttle the white man's speed
1250658;1440446943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it wasn't discussed as anything more than a very vague possibility. just, your objections got rejected is all!
1250659;1440446959;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why would i get it in my own name ?
1250660;1440446963;mircea_popescu;they don't have women in china, either ?!
1250661;1440446983;asciilifeform;from the linked photo earlier, i am still uncertain they they have women..
1250662;1440446991;asciilifeform;women have curvez
1250663;1440446991;mircea_popescu;that was a woman.
1250664;1440447000;mircea_popescu;what, you mean like an ass ?
1250665;1440447103;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/80446b96cff15b13f481d9b3f2ed9844/tumblr_mv8nr8bbPE1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg
1250666;1440447104;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9LiIY )
1250667;1440447596;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-08-2015#1249978 << On the contrary. I was able to get the updated fork installed on my server Saturday, which contains the re-written RSS plugin.
1250668;1440447596;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 04:38:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ?
1250669;1440447599;lobbes;Of course, with this update lobbesbot seems to have new problems communicating with assbot. In summary, all that is left is to figure out how to get lobbesbot to !up himself again..
1250670;1440447624;mircea_popescu;pm up dun werk ?
1250671;1440447629;lobbes;for some reason, the OTP from assbot doesn't get sent to the messages.log like it used to pre-limnoria
1250672;1440447654;lobbes;I'm sure I'm just missing something obvious
1250673;1440447727;trinque;alright, well, this is the 3rd time I've had to get feeds going on mine
1250674;1440447732;trinque;mind if I just keep doing it?
1250675;1440447793;lobbes;well, I can't really say 'no.' If you've got a working solution, there's no need to wait for my derpage
1250676;1440447820;kakobrekla;well, i dont mind who runs rss bot - but - usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler
1250677;1440447832;mircea_popescu;iirc yes
1250678;1440447835;trinque;parsimony strikes again; I'll endeavor to avoid busses
1250679;1440447841;trinque;my bot voices himself
1250680;1440447850;kakobrekla;yeah cause you are irrogant
1250681;1440447867;mircea_popescu;trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a
1250682;1440447882;mircea_popescu;i even lost count, we're on 7 now ?
1250683;1440447884;trinque;oddly enough yes
1250684;1440447884;kakobrekla;!s rss sucks
1250685;1440447885;assbot;3 results for 'rss sucks' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rss+sucks
1250686;1440447887;trinque;something like that
1250687;1440447994;kakobrekla;i even added rss to assbot for bens jeniks - which got shut down a day after.
1250688;1440448034;trinque;I've had a working module for months at least, but was letting somebody else take a job
1250689;1440448062;trinque;but lo, I am trinque, eater of bots
1250690;1440448174;lobbes;<kakobrekla>  usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler << so, in other words, no need for assbot voicing?
1250691;1440448196;kakobrekla;aha
1250692;1440448271;trinque;how hard is it
1250693;1440448289;kakobrekla;you avoid gpg
1250694;1440448293;trinque;and?
1250695;1440448300;kakobrekla;less code = better
1250696;1440448313;trinque;no, the right amount of code is better
1250697;1440448363;kakobrekla;the right amount being less in this particular case :)
1250698;1440448407;mircea_popescu;it's really no huge deal either way,
1250699;1440448414;trinque;so why don't you set rules for everyone to be autovoiced when authed with nickserv
1250700;1440448418;trinque;as per some list
1250701;1440448431;trinque;I don't want to spend another morning farting around with something as inconsequential as an RSS plugin
1250702;1440448446;kakobrekla;do you expect to find shakespeare in your server logz?
1250703;1440448457;trinque;I expect that someone who says "I will run an RSS bot" does it
1250704;1440448460;trinque;so they don't waste my time
1250705;1440448466;mircea_popescu;nah, the autovoice thing going away is prolly the right direction anyway
1250706;1440448473;trinque;notably the bitching about how someone else wants to do it comes after I've put work into bringing mine back online
1250707;1440448484;mircea_popescu;uh. did i miss something ?
1250708;1440448496;kakobrekla;dunno, he seems pissed.
1250709;1440448519;trinque;I'm not pissed at all. lobbes here seems to want to do scoops.
1250710;1440448545;lobbes;trinque: not scoops, per se. I've just been on a quest to handle alf's phuctor feed
1250711;1440448554;lobbes;the rest, I thought was williamdunne
1250712;1440448619;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly much better stuff to get worked up over.
1250713;1440449052;mircea_popescu;who was selling all those bitbet bets
1250714;1440449071;mircea_popescu;;;seen TheNewDeal
1250715;1440449072;gribble;TheNewDeal was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <TheNewDeal> !down TheNewDeal
1250716;1440449103;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D
1250717;1440449103;assbot;BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.48 B (14%) on Yes, 8.9 B (86%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 3 hours | weight: 59`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9SzZt )
1250718;1440449103;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250719;1440449346;trinque;kakobrekla: at the time I wrote deedbot- there was an agreement that the thing should voice itself when I asked you to autovoice it.
1250720;1440449377;mircea_popescu;that agreement was mostly me delicately pushing evolution.
1250721;1440449384;mircea_popescu;it's not a bad thing, evolution.
1250722;1440449412;trinque;seems the right way to me. fits using another means of communication at some later date, too
1250723;1440449426;trinque;anywho, I am just trying to keep the gears turning. I'm not "pissed"
1250724;1440449433;mircea_popescu;cool.
1250725;1440449496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking about it, "choose this profession" thing might be the distillate of the issue. on one hand, the evidence that suchg a thinbg as "choosing your profession" even exuists in nature is slight at best. take the longstanding observation that "a young researcher will end up in that field where he encounters the first success".
1250726;1440449533;mircea_popescu;also the cui prodest analysis comes out very heavily charged. apparently the only people who'd benefit from you think "you chose" "your" "profession" are the people selling professions, and choice.
1250727;1440449548;mircea_popescu;"now you chose it, it's yours, you gotta upkeep it" goes the taxation verbiage. just like... wait for it...
1250728;1440449553;mircea_popescu;just like the puritan view of a wife.
1250729;1440449568;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at mr x's camp : he chose nothing and no profesion. he can eat here. what's your problem ?
1250730;1440449590;mircea_popescu;and in those terms, your problem is "why are you such an asshole" which comes directly to "why don't you wash like we do".
1250731;1440449597;mircea_popescu;his answer is plain : because nobody forced him to.
1250732;1440449606;mircea_popescu;because you're not tough enough to, so there it goes.
1250733;1440449649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion.
1250734;1440449661;asciilifeform;and to work in fields where honest work is carried out at least on occasion
1250735;1440449664;asciilifeform;etc.
1250736;1440449704;mircea_popescu;i prefer the company of intelligent folks.
1250737;1440449708;mircea_popescu;will put up with almost anything else.
1250738;1440449711;mircea_popescu;but i can't stand dumb.
1250739;1440449763;asciilifeform;dr y. wasn't dumb. merely entirely uninteresting, preoccupied with details of daily life as a not-especially-well-of d.c. resident, e.g., where the 'cheapest' petrol is to be had
1250740;1440449772;asciilifeform;*off
1250741;1440449782;*;mircea_popescu can readily envisage the situation where, being dirigiblewrecked on same lab, would prefer the company of mr x over pretty much everyone in the dept.
1250742;1440449785;kakobrekla;!up williamdunne
1250743;1440449787;kakobrekla;now you can
1250744;1440449789;asciilifeform;where to get new tires.
1250745;1440449795;mircea_popescu;hm.
1250746;1440449803;mircea_popescu;first generation transplant huh
1250747;1440449808;asciilifeform;aha
1250748;1440449813;asciilifeform;and not really perma-transplant
1250749;1440449821;asciilifeform;but off-to-make-a-little-dough
1250750;1440449825;williamdunne;+1 on auto-upping some nicks. I wanted to re-write Scoop in a language that doesn't use JIT and other such crap, but many languages lack GPG libraries that actually work.
1250751;1440449825;williamdunne;i.e clisp lacks a documented library afaik
1250752;1440449825;williamdunne;D required a hacky method of telling the application to use the command line
1250753;1440449853;mircea_popescu;hopefully we get a pgp implementation that's usable sometime this side of the decade.
1250754;1440449859;mike_c;don't we already have a scoop?
1250755;1440449862;asciilifeform;williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp
1250756;1440449877;asciilifeform;(a particular proggy)
1250757;1440449878;mike_c;now maintained by someone who might keep it up more than a week
1250758;1440449896;asciilifeform;http://www.clisp.org << get it (or, i recommend, don't!) here
1250759;1440449897;assbot;CLISP - an ANSI Common Lisp Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1hXgyGm )
1250760;1440449969;asciilifeform;williamdunne: my current understanding is that there is not, on this planet, a 'gpg library that actually works' - period, full-stop.
1250761;1440450001;williamdunne;Ok, well lets settle on works well enough for the rather limited goal
1250762;1440450003;mircea_popescu;consumers haven't come to expect.
1250763;1440450024;asciilifeform;williamdunne: if you want to pgp, you're mostly stuck with shell call-outs to classical gpg.
1250764;1440450032;asciilifeform;hope you're on a reasonable unix.
1250765;1440450042;asciilifeform;and don't have sensitive key material in the mix.
1250766;1440450052;mike_c;^ why?
1250767;1440450064;mike_c;can't do much useful without it.
1250768;1440450072;williamdunne;I'm on Ubuntu running GnuPG 1.4.16
1250769;1440450099;williamdunne;mike_c: I'm assuming he's meaning airgapping
1250770;1440450100;asciilifeform;timing and malformed-chosen-ciphertext attax, for instance.
1250771;1440450115;asciilifeform;not to mention that there is no effective way to do this across airgap
1250772;1440450121;mike_c;hm.  mpex hasn't been cracked by that yet.
1250773;1440450141;asciilifeform;mike_c: iirc mpex runs using meatbots carrying ciphertext/plaintext to/from.
1250774;1440450147;mike_c;hehe, no way
1250775;1440450167;mike_c;you send encrypted message, get encrypted response back in real time
1250776;1440450174;asciilifeform;not if coin moves ?
1250777;1440450188;mike_c;"coin".. you do on trades.
1250778;1440450192;mircea_popescu;mpex is not open to general public tho
1250779;1440450201;asciilifeform;i'll let mircea_popescu answer this one (if he feels like..) - iirc there is also a 'diode' in there somewhere
1250780;1440450203;mircea_popescu;runs a sort of "can afford 50 btc" wot
1250781;1440450262;mike_c;malformed ciphertext is just theoretical, no?  never seen in wild?
1250782;1440450281;asciilifeform;mike_c: depends what you mean 'the wild'
1250783;1440450297;mike_c;i mean nobody (here) knows of any real example of this working.
1250784;1440450336;mike_c;i mean, what's it going to do?  root the box?  I guess that's worst case.
1250785;1440450353;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: you probably own one of the most valuable pgp/email lists going..
1250786;1440450386;mircea_popescu;nah, mpex is "potemkins all the way down". i read it on reddit.
1250787;1440450413;mircea_popescu;also #b-a is just a treefort and so on
1250788;1440450416;williamdunne;;;ud potemkins
1250789;1440450417;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potemkin | Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ...
1250790;1440450428;mircea_popescu;yeah amusingly i had the same problem lol
1250791;1440450438;williamdunne;That's a pretty cool word
1250792;1440450439;williamdunne;I like it
1250793;1440450449;mircea_popescu;whathavei.jpg
1250794;1440450520;asciilifeform;mike_c: the basic concept here is the same as in hygiene elsewhere. i, personally, do not know of anyone who has become ill from, e.g., eating rotting carcass. but i refrain nonetheless.
1250795;1440450536;asciilifeform;re: 'in the wild.'
1250796;1440450553;asciilifeform;generally you do not want to hook up a machine with sensitive keymat to public.
1250797;1440450563;asciilifeform;if there is any way to avoid it.
1250798;1440450572;asciilifeform;(including, imho most often, not doing the thing at all)
1250799;1440450576;mike_c;sure, generally.  but if you're building a pgp interface.. obviously assbot has done so
1250800;1440450584;asciilifeform;assbot only verifies.
1250801;1440450589;asciilifeform;it does not access privkeymat
1250802;1440450618;mike_c;right.  but if you want to build a service that has proper message security, how else to do it?
1250803;1440450635;asciilifeform;meatnet.
1250804;1440450638;asciilifeform;or not at all.
1250805;1440450647;mike_c;well, don't tell that to mpex.
1250806;1440450673;asciilifeform;meatnet, at least in weak form, doesn't have to mean gurlz carrying floppy disks
1250807;1440450698;asciilifeform;could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text
1250808;1440450769;trinque;heh, sounds a lot like the human fuel gauge in Waterworld
1250809;1440450775;asciilifeform;aha.
1250810;1440450786;trinque;http://www.moviescreenshot.com/pics/200708_oldpeople/3.jpg
1250811;1440450787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9YIF3 )
1250812;1440450832;mircea_popescu;"MegaIndex - powerfull analytics tool which allows to get comprehensive report about web-site's incoming and outgoing links." <, in other news, i am persuaded 50% or more of webtrafic is meta.
1250813;1440450840;mircea_popescu;people trying to figure out whence other people get traffic.
1250814;1440450856;asciilifeform;nah. trying to figure out whence other people get their meta.
1250815;1440450876;mircea_popescu;ironically enough, i serve millions of pages/day to various of these idiots, and none yet has managed to observe that they do not get articles.
1250816;1440450885;mircea_popescu;because srsly, trilema paid content thing "is just not done"
1250817;1440450908;mircea_popescu;so bing and yahoo and ahrefs and who have you dozens of names literally still dutifully "index"
1250818;1440450909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is certain they don't see articles? what kinda spammer uses anything but a fresh ip ?
1250819;1440450915;mircea_popescu;and prepare "rteports" and their granny on a stick.
1250820;1440450916;thestringpuller;trinque: ah. I remember that scene.
1250821;1440450934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these guys. they don't think themselves spammers.
1250822;1440450969;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: will the eyes scale? if a lot of cipher text turds are being thrown around you'd have to have a lot of eyes, as I can't imagine this scaling very well.
1250823;1440450981;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: my kitchen doesn't scale either.
1250824;1440450991;mircea_popescu;it doesn't ?!
1250825;1440450991;asciilifeform;nor my toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day
1250826;1440451001;trinque;not with that attitude
1250827;1440451007;asciilifeform;!b 4
1250828;1440451007;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/296D8NR.txt )
1250829;1440451008;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1250830;1440451012;mircea_popescu;come to shenzen, we make 10k fit.
1250831;1440451021;*;asciilifeform half-sold already
1250832;1440451049;mircea_popescu;anyone remember that retarded chinese satellite launch thing where all the hopped up boys had to report PLAN OVERDELIVERED!!!
1250833;1440451055;mircea_popescu;"1.8 seconds faster than"
1250834;1440451058;mircea_popescu;"blablabla".
1250835;1440451068;mircea_popescu;so asciilifeform shit thinner, faster, be a shenzen-er today!
1250836;1440451099;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: the clockwork orange method i see.
1250837;1440451138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what's so hot about shenzen in particular
1250838;1440451141;asciilifeform;why not, e.g., wuhan
1250839;1440451147;asciilifeform;(where they make spiffy pcb !)
1250840;1440451161;asciilifeform;or hk for that matter..
1250841;1440451198;mircea_popescu;not hot at all. i just picked a random name, cuz some interwebs chick was from there. then you got all immuno-responsive on me.
1250842;1440451215;asciilifeform;l0l
1250843;1440451221;mircea_popescu;as if they ate your dog or something
1250844;1440451232;asciilifeform;nah, dog i could go for
1250845;1440451241;mircea_popescu;they ate your... penis ?
1250846;1440451243;asciilifeform;(can one milk dog ?)
1250847;1440451246;mircea_popescu;yup.
1250848;1440451250;mircea_popescu;it's disgustingly sweet.
1250849;1440451349;*;asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu has considered/tried singapore
1250850;1440451446;mircea_popescu;still with the fucking islands ?
1250851;1440451480;asciilifeform;sg is an island like staten island, new york
1250852;1440451515;mircea_popescu;i don't live on staten island, either.
1250853;1440451572;asciilifeform;not overly fond of the sea, i take it ?
1250854;1440451601;mircea_popescu;btw you ever seen their formidable class ?
1250855;1440451615;mircea_popescu;"we found some old tigers and we made them boats!"
1250856;1440451670;mircea_popescu;and im very fond of the sea for just as long as the distance between us is my decision.
1250857;1440451675;mircea_popescu;like with any other woman.
1250858;1440451705;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: altimeter solves that one, no?
1250859;1440451715;mircea_popescu;mno.
1250860;1440452417;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin Professionals - Looking For Bitcoin Talent? Ad www.cryptoconsortium.org <<< someone got so many "bitcoin professionals" they're paying google to help give them away.
1250861;1440452450;mircea_popescu;"A Certified Bitcoin Professional is knowledgeable about the Bitcoin blockchain, Bitcoin transactions, and how the Bitcoin network operates. CBPs are able to apply Bitcoin technology to their professional area of expertise"
1250862;1440452547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: old lulz, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-02-2015#1020030
1250863;1440452547;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 23:29:43; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it?
1250864;1440452558;mircea_popescu;oh.
1250865;1440452563;asciilifeform;yeah that one
1250866;1440452566;mircea_popescu;lolz.
1250867;1440452608;mircea_popescu;you know this occurs to me - it WOULD be helpful if we had an actual "Bitcoin Basics Qualification" thing.
1250868;1440452617;mircea_popescu;so random person can score their own proficiency.
1250869;1440452617;asciilifeform;what'd that be
1250870;1440452633;mircea_popescu;same thing as the color test was. or should have been,
1250871;1440452639;asciilifeform;imho 'had x coin last year, still have it now' is a pretty good test
1250872;1440452639;mircea_popescu;"do you see a 5 here ? no ? you're blind mofo"
1250873;1440452647;asciilifeform;even if slow
1250874;1440452654;mircea_popescu;good if unrelated.
1250875;1440452668;mircea_popescu;"had a cunt 5years ago, still has it - clearly qualified as woman"
1250876;1440452669;mircea_popescu;depends.
1250877;1440452752;*;mircea_popescu is half tempted to write this.
1250878;1440452760;asciilifeform;write^!
1250879;1440452783;mircea_popescu;dja promise to lol at it ?
1250880;1440452790;asciilifeform;i most certainly shall.
1250881;1440452817;*;asciilifeform off for a spell
1250882;1440452819;mircea_popescu;wtf am i gonna do tho, make it multiple choice ?!
1250883;1440452822;mats;djia closes another 500 hundred points down
1250884;1440452829;mircea_popescu;mats aha
1250885;1440452830;mats;lulululul
1250886;1440452912;mats;am no longer unsure about my decision last month to empty my retirement savings plan and buy buttcoins
1250887;1440453264;mats;by no means do I think this is safe, but hey, risk taking is for the young
1250888;1440453298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00071948 = 27.2323 BTC [-]
1250889;1440453561;mats;http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/15820-starcraft/
1250890;1440453563;assbot;Starcraft - Software News - OpenPandora Boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg2rWA )
1250891;1440453594;mats;Starcraft REd to run on ARM
1250892;1440453913;mats;https://twitter.com/shodanhq/status/635866808105455616
1250893;1440453932;danielpbarron;!up yamaka
1250894;1440454269;mats;http://fusion.net/story/149611/silicon-valleys-infamous-startup-castle-is-getting-evicted
1250895;1440454272;assbot;Silicon Valley's infamous 'Startup Castle' is getting evicted | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg3Cp0 )
1250896;1440454310;mircea_popescu;!j
1250897;1440454312;mircea_popescu;!h
1250898;1440454312;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1250899;1440454322;mircea_popescu;mats cool, it could join the armory ?
1250900;1440454334;mircea_popescu;(the kink.com armory)
1250901;1440454427;mats;TIL kink.com bought The Armory on Mission St
1250902;1440454445;mats;passed by many times, had no idea
1250903;1440454574;mircea_popescu;long ago
1250904;1440454946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26688 @ 0.00071952 = 19.2025 BTC [+] {2} 
1250905;1440455032;mats;http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/16/a-disproof-of-the-one-time-pad lulz
1250906;1440455034;assbot;An (Important) Disproof Of The One-Time Pad  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg4CcV )
1250907;1440455204;punkman;^special kind of tard?
1250908;1440455428;ben_vulpes;http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/55617 << product of the local 'feel good and have bad ideas' woodchipper
1250909;1440455429;assbot;SXSW PanelPicker ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg58aM )
1250910;1440456207;mats;http://www.natlawreview.com/article/breaking-news-ftc-vs-wyndham-update-privacy-monday-august-24-2015
1250911;1440456256;mats;>the three-judge panel upheld U.S. District Judge Esther Salas’ ruling that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has the authority under the “unfairness” prong of Section 5 of the FTC Act to bring suit against companies over data security practices.
1250912;1440456290;mats;now just how this is gonna play will be amusing to watch
1250913;1440456614;BingoBoingo;"addr" : "128.8.124.7:5097", "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/", "startingheight" : 346223, << Fuckers aren't even completely sync'd
1250914;1440456641;danielpbarron;!up from_vice
1250915;1440456669;punkman;danielpbarron: were you leaving comments at vice?
1250916;1440456698;danielpbarron;yeah that one time and yeah it was a webchat link naming the victim "from_vice"
1250917;1440456727;danielpbarron;was a few months ago if i recall correctly
1250918;1440456993;punkman;just saw the trailer for this http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc4MzIzNTk3Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMTYyNzA5NDE@._V1__SX1857_SY851_.jpg
1250919;1440456994;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KICwne )
1250920;1440457000;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250905 << mega-l0l!!
1250921;1440457000;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 22:23:52; mats: http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/16/a-disproof-of-the-one-time-pad lulz
1250922;1440457038;asciilifeform;this is almost as good as the 'monty hall problem' tard-sauce
1250923;1440457038;pete_dushenski;punkman lol 'halal pictures presents'
1250924;1440457040;danielpbarron;my 0.5.4-beta node is up to height=231807 and syncing much faster than any machine i've ever maintained (due in part to the wonderful DISCARD BASTARD BLOCK feature, and in part to this particular machine having 8 gigs of ram)
1250925;1440457058;pete_dushenski;almost as good as kosher
1250926;1440457058;punkman;not sure why, but I love this composition http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjYzMTkyOTMwMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMjYyNzA5NDE@._V1__SX1857_SY851_.jpg
1250927;1440457059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KICJXB )
1250928;1440457101;asciilifeform;was that thing even serious?
1250929;1440457105;asciilifeform;or a parody piece
1250930;1440457109;asciilifeform;i can't tell
1250931;1440457120;punkman;asciilifeform: he even has an app that uses OTPs
1250932;1440457191;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron nice
1250933;1440457223;asciilifeform;i mean, this is 'tungsten melts in your mouth'-grade tardation
1250934;1440457269;BingoBoingo;43 is teal
1250935;1440457332;pete_dushenski;;;later tell trinque http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss
1250936;1440457333;assbot;Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDnoAY )
1250937;1440457333;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1250938;1440457345;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss
1250939;1440457346;assbot;Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDnoAY )
1250940;1440457346;deedbot-;http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss added.
1250941;1440457346;asciilifeform;re: the evicted 'castle': 'Do you have a fancy college degree or a job in a STEM field? Do you have fewer than two tattoos? Do you avoid Tinder dates and songs with explicit lyrics? Do you spend more than two hours a day exercising? Then you may be qualified to live at the Startup Castle, a self-proclaimed �community of excellence� located in a 17,000-square foot mansion in Woodside, California, just minutes from Stanford
1250942;1440457346;asciilifeform;�s campus.' (from same rag)
1250943;1440457354;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Loon - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/
1250944;1440457354;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blackout - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/21/blackout/
1250945;1440457355;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A Beautiful Mind - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/22/a-beautiful-mind/
1250946;1440457355;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] So what’s a “client” in the Roman sense of the term ? - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/23/so-whats-a-client-in-the-roman-sense-of-the-term/
1250947;1440457356;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blood and guts, pain and pleasure, creation and destruction. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/24/blood-and-guts-pain-and-pleasure-creation-and-destruction/
1250948;1440457377;danielpbarron;especially nice considering that i'm using one of my old 5400 IDE-cable hard drives, and not even in a mirroring raid!
1250949;1440457386;asciilifeform;( http://fusion.net/story/134163/silicon-valleys-startup-castle-is-looking-for-roommates-and-the-requirements-are-completely-bonkers )
1250950;1440457388;assbot;Silicon Valley's 'Startup Castle' is looking for roommates, and the requirements are completely bonkers | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDnsAx )
1250951;1440457390;asciilifeform;^ pure lulgold
1250952;1440457395;punkman;trinque: you gotta make the thing not post the backlog
1250953;1440457401;trinque;why?
1250954;1440457470;pete_dushenski;trinque guess i coulda done that too eh. but thx!
1250955;1440457478;trinque;it only listens to me at the moment
1250956;1440457484;trinque;and np
1250957;1440457522;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250681 << truly the darndest thing.
1250958;1440457522;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 20:24:27; mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a
1250959;1440457542;trinque;keeping things alive is the hardest problem
1250960;1440457566;pete_dushenski;for bots as for people
1250961;1440457574;pete_dushenski;as for plants etc
1250962;1440457587;trinque;indeed
1250963;1440457601;BingoBoingo;Well pete_dushenski Your blog is the one that tends to send RSS botmakers running screaming
1250964;1440457624;pete_dushenski;ikr!
1250965;1440457637;pete_dushenski;the 'contravex curse'
1250966;1440457663;BingoBoingo;Or maybe you just really have done something deeply and utterly wrong with your RSS
1250967;1440457674;pete_dushenski;we'll now see how deedbot-'s immune system holds up against it
1250968;1440457725;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo not impossibru, but i really haven't diddled with it. then again, perhaps that's the issue
1250969;1440457749;pete_dushenski;why should i expect anything to work out of the box ?
1250970;1440457752;BingoBoingo;Maybe you sleep diddled it? Maybe RSS just really dun like Jooz.
1250971;1440457756;pete_dushenski;what is this, the future ?
1250972;1440457771;BingoBoingo;Unfortunately
1250973;1440457781;ben_vulpes;wordpress ca. 2014 iirc when you set your thing up
1250974;1440457801;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo rss likes trilema well enough. and i'll be damned if it's smart enough to tell the difference between mp's jooiness and mine
1250975;1440457819;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes true, but same for qntra
1250976;1440457851;BingoBoingo;MP's just jooey, but not jooish
1250977;1440457877;BingoBoingo;Could be your "theme"
1250978;1440457889;BingoBoingo;Could be some derpy plugin
1250979;1440457935;pete_dushenski;in any event
1250980;1440457945;pete_dushenski;trinque's on it now
1250981;1440458000;trinque;anybody sees any weirdness, just lemme know.
1250982;1440458143;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes you catch this http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/#identifier_0_5010 ?
1250983;1440458144;assbot;Loon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDo6hm )
1250984;1440458459;asciilifeform;http://www.startupcastle.org << gone.
1250985;1440458460;assbot;Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDom04 )
1250986;1440458503;asciilifeform;!s from:from_vice
1250987;1440458504;assbot;14 results for 'from:from_vice' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Afrom_vice
1250988;1440458720;asciilifeform;'Imagine one day having your bed converted into a bunk bed without your consent. Being promised food to be included in the fee you pay only to be yelled at when the food runs out. Witnessing an ex-military dude marching around the house yelling at people who didn�t �keep their shit clean enough�. '
1250989;1440458722;asciilifeform;l0l!
1250990;1440458733;asciilifeform;'This place is a prison. It�s like living in the Hotel California, except we can�t even drink wine here.'
1250991;1440458914;mats;paying 1k/mo to share a room in this place
1250992;1440458920;mats;genius
1250993;1440458940;asciilifeform;komyoonity of excellence !!1111!!111
1250994;1440458977;asciilifeform;i admit that i kinda half expect this sort of thing to catch on
1250995;1440459004;asciilifeform;'millenials' enlisting in some crackpot 'boot camp' and paying for the privilege of receiving the whippings father never gave'em, etc
1250996;1440459148;pete_dushenski;'Ben & Pete’s Magickal Skool For Kidz Who Can Mebbe Not Suck' (tm) (r)
1250997;1440459363;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250150 << what sort of stuck is this ?
1250998;1440459363;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 15:39:08; PeterL: well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh
1250999;1440459457;pete_dushenski;sure, there are rules, regs, penalties, and whatever nonsense between you and your 401k bezzlars, but it's not like a little pain and a little friction now isn't a damned reasonable price to pay to avoid a lot of pain and an impossible amount of friction later
1251000;1440459512;pete_dushenski;i had the same 'stuck' in 2013 and i can tell you that it's not the end of the world to unjam
1251001;1440459573;pete_dushenski;anyone in a similar position is henceforth advised that, yes, it's possible to become unstuck from retirement scams that you will never see the proceeds from
1251002;1440459587;pete_dushenski;and it requires no special training
1251003;1440459591;pete_dushenski;just. do. it.
1251004;1440459592;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: there's precisely one that this doesn't work for
1251005;1440459605;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: do you know which ?
1251006;1440459622;pete_dushenski;hm. i do not.
1251007;1440459642;pete_dushenski;the retiree eating out of his savings fund ?
1251008;1440459643;asciilifeform;it's the one where plantation owner doesn't see any logical reason to give the slave anything to store up
1251009;1440459655;asciilifeform;because his 'retirement' is.. last bullet
1251010;1440459667;punkman;asciilifeform: not like there's much left in the retirement funds here, but this is not possible
1251011;1440459677;asciilifeform;mega-possible
1251012;1440459716;asciilifeform;and pete_dushenski has it.
1251013;1440459726;asciilifeform;i fully expect to eat every penny i ever saved, at some point, and then starve.
1251014;1440459727;deedbot-;[Qntra] Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets - http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/
1251015;1440459765;asciilifeform;'Indeed imagine a world where messages broadcasted publicly could be recorded. A world where screen shots and web archiving tools can preserve the content of broadcasted messages indefinitely, and where comparing the publication medium to an archived record can reveal otherwise unannounced retractions. In short imagine the real world as it actually is.' << gold
1251016;1440459817;pete_dushenski;haha yup, homerun.
1251017;1440459829;BingoBoingo;thank you asciilifeform
1251018;1440459852;BingoBoingo;and pete_dushenski
1251019;1440459950;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform you and mp's grandpa with your starving
1251020;1440459961;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: not same starvation
1251021;1440459966;mircea_popescu;a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5
1251022;1440459972;mircea_popescu;got traditions to upkeep :D
1251023;1440459975;asciilifeform;l0l
1251024;1440459980;pete_dushenski;ha!
1251025;1440459999;pete_dushenski;keeping me in the stone age eh ?
1251026;1440460010;pete_dushenski;well, that's tradition for ya
1251027;1440460030;asciilifeform;;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml
1251028;1440460031;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251029;1440460054;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSoYCetG6A
1251030;1440460055;assbot;Fiddler on the roof tradition - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDppwX )
1251031;1440460227;pete_dushenski;^saw local production of fiddler last night as part of 'the fringe' festival (as was covered in recent contravex reviews). unfortunately, other than a hell of a tevye and a rather lovely hodel, the cast of 45 was unbearably atrocious
1251032;1440460249;felipelalli;asciilifeform, I sent you two things. Which one should I send to the mailing list?
1251033;1440460250;pete_dushenski;cows with tuning forks up their asses could hold a better tune than golde
1251034;1440460254;felipelalli;The auth.sh fix?
1251035;1440460265;asciilifeform;felipelalli: anything pertaining to therealbitcoin
1251036;1440460303;pete_dushenski;the local production had this 'make accessible' and 'involve whole community' mandate branded on their stupid skulls, with entirely predictable results
1251037;1440460313;felipelalli;asciilifeform, ok, I'm sorry. I did not want to pollute the list.
1251038;1440460334;pete_dushenski;the riff-raff they let in wouldn't cut it in any of the high school or junior high productions i was in
1251039;1440460343;asciilifeform;but polluting my mailbox is a-ok? l0l
1251040;1440460363;asciilifeform;if it pertains to therealbitcoin, it belongs on the list
1251041;1440460453;felipelalli;asciilifeform, ok, I'll try :)
1251042;1440460588;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> ;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml <<< ahahaha epic.
1251043;1440460641;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski thatre's a dead concern everywhere. and even opera.
1251044;1440460644;asciilifeform;ludovic xiv may say 'l'etat c'est moi', but i am not therealbitcoin !
1251045;1440460676;asciilifeform;felipelalli, others: btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org.
1251046;1440460694;felipelalli;I sent to this.
1251047;1440460720;asciilifeform;mno.
1251048;1440460721;asciilifeform;you didn't.
1251049;1440460760;mircea_popescu;!up phf_
1251050;1440460802;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu sounds like it's definitely dead in buenos aires
1251051;1440460815;mircea_popescu;scala is fucking dead.
1251052;1440460867;pete_dushenski;since when ?
1251053;1440460986;mircea_popescu;at least a decade.
1251054;1440460998;thestringpuller;wassup pete_dushenski
1251055;1440461015;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu hm
1251056;1440461031;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller hey dude
1251057;1440461062;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp
1251058;1440461076;pete_dushenski;trying googling 'migrate from tumblr to wp'
1251059;1440461085;pete_dushenski;or something to that effect
1251060;1440461297;pete_dushenski;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/22/how-one-german-millennial-chose-to-live-on-trains-rather-than-pay-rent/ << speaking of 'millenial' living conditions
1251061;1440461298;assbot;How one German millennial chose to live on trains rather than pay rent - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDquVC )
1251062;1440461309;pete_dushenski;"financially, she  benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."
1251063;1440461622;trinque;definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice.
1251064;1440461652;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1251065;1440461658;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
1251066;1440461660;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000156.html
1251067;1440461661;assbot;[BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtSNzo )
1251068;1440461669;trinque;mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes
1251069;1440461724;trinque;asciilifeform: neat
1251070;1440461839;mircea_popescu;anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs.
1251071;1440462076;asciilifeform;felipelalli: you gotta be in l2 to write to the ml.
1251072;1440462124;asciilifeform;!rate felipelalli 1 therealbitcoin tester
1251073;1440462124;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/21fbf4128fc93d6a
1251074;1440462160;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.felipelalli.1:2951510f4374b25561726239e37964d38c3e3dbdca8486ea7d63620deef0271f
1251075;1440462161;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: therealbitcoin tester
1251076;1440462196;trinque;!gettrust assbot felipelalli
1251077;1440462196;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/
1251078;1440462200;trinque;asciilifeform: ^
1251079;1440462203;asciilifeform;hm.
1251080;1440462205;trinque;he can up himself here, and submit deeds
1251081;1440462214;asciilifeform;then nfi.
1251082;1440462225;asciilifeform;jurov awake?
1251083;1440462244;asciilifeform;jurov: anything in caught in turdatron gluetrap from felipelalli ?
1251084;1440462326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52359 @ 0.00071734 = 37.5592 BTC [-]
1251085;1440462631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43797 @ 0.0007205 = 31.5557 BTC [+] {2} 
1251086;1440462756;asciilifeform;'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)'
1251087;1440462761;asciilifeform;aahahahahaha
1251088;1440462820;trinque;it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm
1251089;1440462854;trinque;this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT
1251090;1440462981;asciilifeform;( https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg )
1251091;1440462984;assbot;isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tMTd )
1251092;1440463006;asciilifeform;creates more questions than answers - why this fix, if essential, not snarfed upstream, for instance ?
1251093;1440463030;phf;"gem" culture?
1251094;1440463036;asciilifeform;?
1251095;1440463092;phf;like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code
1251096;1440463227;phf;is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
1251097;1440463273;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250283 << there's always, say, istria, riga, or montreal
1251098;1440463273;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
1251099;1440463307;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i can't picture him choosing to walk usg earth again
1251100;1440463339;asciilifeform;which istria, riga, montreal all are.
1251101;1440463343;*;pete_dushenski goes back to drawing board
1251102;1440463370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform & everyone interested : http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/
1251103;1440463371;assbot;Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDscGp )
1251104;1440463379;*;asciilifeform reads
1251105;1440463380;mircea_popescu;note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it
1251106;1440463383;mircea_popescu;so make sugestions.
1251107;1440463397;mircea_popescu;just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share.
1251108;1440463404;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again
1251109;1440463432;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin'
1251110;1440463469;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0816/7387/products/RigaSpratsAdro160g_large.jpeg?v=1428892909 << them
1251111;1440463469;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDsgWC )
1251112;1440463477;asciilifeform;*riga
1251113;1440463513;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: but i have given up trying to fit some kind of earthling logic to mircea_popescu's moves
1251114;1440463669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spiffy quiz piece
1251115;1440463679;mircea_popescu;what's missing ?
1251116;1440463691;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some suggested items, in no particular order, here goes,
1251117;1440463691;mircea_popescu;especially re the math and cs.
1251118;1440463714;mircea_popescu;(/me doubts anyone here would pass section B, fwiw)
1251119;1440463730;asciilifeform;mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?'
1251120;1440463753;mircea_popescu;instead of hash ?
1251121;1440463760;mircea_popescu;i was aiming for that nebulous cloud.
1251122;1440463767;asciilifeform;aha. broader concept.
1251123;1440463774;mircea_popescu;good point huh.
1251124;1440463818;mircea_popescu;ima do that instead of hash.
1251125;1440463819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is hands-down the part 'b' lecturer, aha
1251126;1440463823;mircea_popescu;dont want too much googlable shit anyway
1251127;1440463825;asciilifeform;i won't even touch 'b'
1251128;1440463843;asciilifeform;though how did b-3 end up there ?
1251129;1440463872;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin - be your own bank! wut ?"
1251130;1440463875;asciilifeform;i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit
1251131;1440463887;asciilifeform;(the 'chained ciphers' one)
1251132;1440463905;mircea_popescu;oh b-5
1251133;1440463907;mircea_popescu;mistake fixing
1251134;1440463958;asciilifeform;i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)
1251135;1440463975;mircea_popescu;right ?
1251136;1440463984;mircea_popescu;but you presume you'd use the same thing.
1251137;1440463988;mircea_popescu;whereas no. this is not said.
1251138;1440463989;asciilifeform;re: the rsa thing, 'superencryption' is the term of art
1251139;1440464001;asciilifeform;same thing ?
1251140;1440464023;mircea_popescu;you think we\re discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F
1251141;1440464051;asciilifeform;the use of multiple ciphersystems, presumably (if operator is not entirely retarded) would be something like 'first aes with key k1, then the output with serpent and key k2, then twofish with k3....' etc
1251142;1440464071;mircea_popescu;right
1251143;1440464098;asciilifeform;this was not the scheme intended in this puzzle ?
1251144;1440464106;mircea_popescu;it was, yes.
1251145;1440464125;asciilifeform;i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system
1251146;1440464133;asciilifeform;unless catastrophically misimplemented
1251147;1440464138;mircea_popescu;in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter
1251148;1440464140;asciilifeform;in such a way as to make the above description false
1251149;1440464143;mircea_popescu;which the underlying function is not ready to handle
1251150;1440464152;asciilifeform;aha then this.
1251151;1440464157;mircea_popescu;well yes that.
1251152;1440464178;asciilifeform;but this is rather like 'don't use division in your proggy because you might divide by zero'
1251153;1440464191;mircea_popescu;it did not say at any point "do" or "do not do".
1251154;1440464195;mircea_popescu;it inquires as to what you know.
1251155;1440464202;asciilifeform;hm ok
1251156;1440464212;asciilifeform;some more randoms,
1251157;1440464237;asciilifeform;chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case'
1251158;1440464244;mircea_popescu;good!
1251159;1440464284;asciilifeform;'a' - define nash's equilibrium
1251160;1440464297;mircea_popescu;instead of schelling maybe ?
1251161;1440464309;asciilifeform;not quite same item, but if one must have one, i'd have nash's
1251162;1440464315;mircea_popescu;yeah, you're right
1251163;1440464316;asciilifeform;(schelling's is rather less rigorous of an animal)
1251164;1440464338;deedbot-;[Trilema] Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification - http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/
1251165;1440464338;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1251166;1440464341;Adlai;mircea_popescu: re #1, AG /= DAG
1251167;1440464368;asciilifeform;where did he say the 'directed' ?
1251168;1440464373;Adlai;he didn't
1251169;1440464374;mircea_popescu;Adlai yes but let the answerer point this out
1251170;1440464385;mircea_popescu;there's a science to these
1251171;1440464396;Adlai;mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that...
1251172;1440464401;mircea_popescu;no big deal.
1251173;1440464410;mircea_popescu;this is what learning is : reading the logs.
1251174;1440464415;Adlai;mno.
1251175;1440464417;mircea_popescu;what, you think i was born with it or something.
1251176;1440464448;asciilifeform;'d' - 'what is meant by a sybil attack?'
1251177;1440464472;mircea_popescu;im putting it in 6.
1251178;1440464505;mircea_popescu;(imo it was in 6 already, but anyway)
1251179;1440464507;Adlai;https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/569565
1251180;1440464510;assbot;Quote by George Carlin: “Don’t just teach your children to read…Teach t...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVsc8 )
1251181;1440464519;asciilifeform;'d' (or 'a') - 'what is perfect forward secrecy?'
1251182;1440464551;mircea_popescu;a.
1251183;1440464622;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees."
1251184;1440464627;mircea_popescu;imo nails it
1251185;1440464637;asciilifeform;^
1251186;1440464639;*;Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC
1251187;1440464643;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize
1251188;1440464665;asciilifeform;Adlai: it's an exam, not an open-problems list
1251189;1440464677;mircea_popescu;i dun think ecc is integral to bitcoin
1251190;1440464677;asciilifeform;unless you meant 'error-correcting code'
1251191;1440464684;mircea_popescu;and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test.
1251192;1440464711;asciilifeform;'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.'
1251193;1440464720;mircea_popescu;nice but nah.
1251194;1440464733;asciilifeform;gotta ask something about 'random' though
1251195;1440464739;mircea_popescu;that's for a different class.
1251196;1440464751;asciilifeform;it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students.
1251197;1440464756;mircea_popescu;i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin
1251198;1440464761;Adlai;well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"
1251199;1440464766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh sure you do
1251200;1440464775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or hard to explain the 'android incident' etc
1251201;1440464783;mircea_popescu;easy to explain. idjits.
1251202;1440464784;Adlai;why? because if they don't, somebody else will.
1251203;1440464812;mircea_popescu;let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".
1251204;1440464817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic
1251205;1440464829;mircea_popescu;i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin.
1251206;1440464829;Adlai;"i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion!
1251207;1440464833;mircea_popescu;why exactly is this a problem ?
1251208;1440464856;*;asciilifeform very confused
1251209;1440464866;mircea_popescu;this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.
1251210;1440464887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head.
1251211;1440464901;asciilifeform;and this does not apply to the rest of the quiz items ?
1251212;1440464901;Adlai;this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"
1251213;1440464906;mircea_popescu;does not, no.
1251214;1440464924;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.
1251215;1440464940;mircea_popescu;this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.
1251216;1440464948;mircea_popescu;i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function.
1251217;1440464949;asciilifeform;https://i2.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png << everybody knows it's 4!!!1111
1251218;1440464950;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVX60 )
1251219;1440464962;Adlai;cf http://psx-scene.com/forums/content/sony-s-ps3-security-epic-fail-videos-within-581/?s=4ee3ac7dc283267a827b69ed52b29791
1251220;1440464963;assbot;Sony's PS3 Security is Epic Fail - Videos Within - PSX-Scene ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVVLH )
1251221;1440464976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: function ?!
1251222;1440464979;mircea_popescu;yes.
1251223;1440464981;mircea_popescu;as now.
1251224;1440464991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you can't nondeterministically create the addrs, OR the nonces, you're fucked
1251225;1440465007;asciilifeform;as in, anyone can take anything.
1251226;1440465009;Adlai;let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle
1251227;1440465010;mircea_popescu;you don't have to use THE SAME ecc.
1251228;1440465012;BingoBoingo;In other news http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/organization-withdraws-mu-s-library-science-program-accreditation/article_c7fd93a1-db92-5035-9f29-f31d3408db93.html << The reason was the program's abysmal job placement
1251229;1440465035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how the fuck can one say 'it functions' if i can divine all of your keys
1251230;1440465057;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random
1251231;1440465063;Adlai;fwiw, you don't need randomness for secure key reuse, just RFC 6979
1251232;1440465080;Adlai;for the l0gz: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6979
1251233;1440465083;assbot;RFC 6979 - Deterministic Usage of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) and Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDtz7U )
1251234;1440465083;*;mircea_popescu ponders if he took it too far
1251235;1440465096;Adlai;mircea_popescu: don't worry, so does satoshi :P
1251236;1440465097;asciilifeform;Adlai: you still need non-guessable privkeys
1251237;1440465105;mircea_popescu;yeah ok, "all functions" does not work, i give. and it's not sal;vageable.
1251238;1440465126;Adlai;asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat
1251239;1440465129;asciilifeform;i do wish that mircea_popescu were right about this, it would make for an interesting mathemagical mindfuck
1251240;1440465135;asciilifeform;Adlai: this invokes notions of 'random'
1251241;1440465137;mircea_popescu;and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition,
1251242;1440465141;mircea_popescu;entropy ios probably best.
1251243;1440465147;Adlai;asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'
1251244;1440465148;asciilifeform;hence why i suggested it..
1251245;1440465154;mircea_popescu;yeah. ima put it in A.
1251246;1440465157;mircea_popescu;aren't 3 too many ?
1251247;1440465160;mircea_popescu;ima ask for 2.
1251248;1440465203;asciilifeform;i can think 3 entirely-orthogonal that have come up here.
1251249;1440465203;*;Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key *generation*
1251250;1440465215;Adlai;you can't just use keys anywhichway.
1251251;1440465224;mircea_popescu;Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals
1251252;1440465226;mircea_popescu;they'll be fine/
1251253;1440465273;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform me too, but...
1251254;1440465281;Adlai;tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult
1251255;1440465289;mircea_popescu;lol
1251256;1440465300;*;Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay
1251257;1440465321;asciilifeform;rot13:
1251258;1440465322;asciilifeform;bar - enaqbz va gur frafr bs haxabja-gb naq hathrffnoyr-ol gur bccbarag. gjb - va gur frafr bs orvat fryrpgrq nf n erfhyg bs n fgngvfgvpnyyl-fzbbgu cebprff - r.t., onynaprq ebhyrggr jurry be snve pbva. guerr - enaqbz va gur frafr bs nccrnevat gb unir uvtu nytbevguzvp (xbyzbtbebi, punvgva) pbzcyrkvgl. r.t., qvtvgf bs 'cv' ner (3) ohg abg (2) naq hfhnyyl abg (1).
1251259;1440465333;Adlai;tl;drot13
1251260;1440465343;asciilifeform;hey it wants to be a quiz
1251261;1440465347;mircea_popescu;;;google rot13.com
1251262;1440465348;gribble;Rot13: <http://www.rot13.com/>; ROT13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13>; ROT13 - DeGraeve.com: <http://www.degraeve.com/rot13.php>
1251263;1440465351;asciilifeform;i oughtn't just fuck it for people
1251264;1440465408;mircea_popescu;the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.
1251265;1440465416;mircea_popescu;so i'm not too worried.
1251266;1440465441;asciilifeform;well yes, but ideally folks who are reading this can try the puzzle first, then see the hints
1251267;1440465447;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1251268;1440465448;mike_c;i like this thing, a lot
1251269;1440465454;mircea_popescu;:)
1251270;1440465461;Adlai;mircea_popescu: Econ#5, "programmatically-issued"?
1251271;1440465479;Adlai;this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy
1251272;1440465481;mike_c;not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list.  like, if you can't answer this, go research it.
1251273;1440465484;mircea_popescu;lemme see if  anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
1251274;1440465495;asciilifeform;'d' - 'what is coevolution?'
1251275;1440465503;mircea_popescu;Adlai the opposite of "centrally-issued".
1251276;1440465529;mircea_popescu;mike_c kinda its main utility.
1251277;1440465536;mircea_popescu;as with all examinations ever.
1251278;1440465536;*;Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again
1251279;1440465544;mike_c;i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin"
1251280;1440465553;mircea_popescu;Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new!
1251281;1440465581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, too biology.
1251282;1440465589;*;Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other
1251283;1440465590;mircea_popescu;hey, ever seen biolo made an adverb before ?
1251284;1440465606;*;BingoBoingo suggest section E: Biology
1251285;1440465620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00072146 = 15.295 BTC [+]
1251286;1440465629;mircea_popescu;lol. fortunately, slavekeeping not a requirement.
1251287;1440465630;mike_c;mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema?
1251288;1440465637;mircea_popescu;in trilema ideally
1251289;1440465642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not strictly biological; e.g., winblowz virii qualify
1251290;1440465642;mircea_popescu;esp if longer and so forth.
1251291;1440465644;asciilifeform;as 'coevolve'
1251292;1440465649;mircea_popescu;yeah but...
1251293;1440465657;mircea_popescu;not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.
1251294;1440465735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.
1251295;1440465739;mircea_popescu;it's not just ntp ;/
1251296;1440465744;mike_c;uh, ur commenting shit on my comment
1251297;1440465749;mike_c;cut half of it off
1251298;1440465763;mircea_popescu;mike_c did you put < in there ?
1251299;1440465768;mike_c;two of em
1251300;1440465768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not just this! gotta have access to arithmetic, even!
1251301;1440465778;mircea_popescu;either &lt; or something. esp <--- is a comment.
1251302;1440465790;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah.
1251303;1440465801;asciilifeform;srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit
1251304;1440465813;asciilifeform;entropy is squarely in the latter class
1251305;1440465820;mircea_popescu;(one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count)
1251306;1440465821;asciilifeform;but just about everyone mentally places it in the former
1251307;1440465839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is kinda what literacy is about, i think
1251308;1440465840;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform water idem.
1251309;1440465846;mircea_popescu;go run in the desert.
1251310;1440465846;asciilifeform;not having to trust someone else to read the scrollz
1251311;1440465859;mircea_popescu;how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list.
1251312;1440465922;Adlai;"not to know how to count" << for logz and lolz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg11919751#msg11919751
1251313;1440465925;assbot;[ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtWUeP )
1251314;1440465937;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: water in sahara, air in orbit, entropy on ibm pc...
1251315;1440465976;asciilifeform;Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile
1251316;1440466089;asciilifeform;(example of 'arithmetically-challenged-and-doesn't-know-it')
1251317;1440466116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'd' - 'what is a man-in-the-middle attack'
1251318;1440466116;Adlai;"all i know is that i know all"
1251319;1440466118;mike_c;anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.
1251320;1440466122;mike_c;there's your syllabus
1251321;1440466129;mike_c;teach it, charge for it
1251322;1440466137;Adlai;mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise
1251323;1440466151;asciilifeform;gonna be tough considering how we teach right here, for phree
1251324;1440466171;*;Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer"
1251325;1440466182;mike_c;I don't think so.  In here is different.  Experts learning from experts.
1251326;1440466184;hanbot;would help getting the cert first hm
1251327;1440466191;Adlai;mike_c: well i guess i should leave then!
1251328;1440466206;mike_c;hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.
1251329;1440466341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop'
1251330;1440466352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00071734 = 9.6841 BTC [-]
1251331;1440466357;mike_c;Adlai: well then you should take the course :)
1251332;1440466409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?'
1251333;1440466455;*;Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious
1251334;1440466495;asciilifeform;Adlai: generally, this determination is made by.. one's peers (not by amoeba, no. peers.)
1251335;1440466502;asciilifeform;but not, usually, by self
1251336;1440466538;mike_c;Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.
1251337;1440466564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.'
1251338;1440466573;hanbot;doubtful, mike_c
1251339;1440466609;hanbot;maybe idempotence etc.
1251340;1440466611;mike_c;I'm sticking by it.  Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.
1251341;1440466627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'describe what is steganography, and name a successful and a catastrophic instance of its use'
1251342;1440466640;mike_c;but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.
1251343;1440466662;asciilifeform;hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin
1251344;1440466683;mike_c;of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time.  anyhoo, I like the list :)
1251345;1440466719;hanbot;key yes. but well known already.
1251346;1440466760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'what information is conveyed by a cryptographic signature ?'
1251347;1440466776;mats;;;ticker --market all
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1251349;1440466788;mats;woo
1251350;1440466900;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1067424
1251351;1440466900;assbot;Logged on 24-03-2015 10:18:36; mats: im hemorrhaging money
1251352;1440466904;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1167/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-september/#b3 << he's laughin'
1251353;1440466905;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 hour ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROj8k )
1251354;1440466948;mats;and it was only $246 that day
1251355;1440466982;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250565 << "At state-owned companies, workers say fewer shifts means their monthly pay has fallen from up to 5,000 yuan ($780) two years ago to more like 2,000 now."
1251356;1440466982;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2015 19:39:24; mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china
1251357;1440467011;pete_dushenski;via https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-hard-hit-rust-belt-reflects-the-countrys-economic-woes/2015/08/24/d5d82752-45bf-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html
1251358;1440467012;assbot;China’s ghost towns point to nation’s waning fortunes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROJeO )
1251359;1440467100;pete_dushenski;and i'm off. cheers
1251360;1440467122;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits?
1251361;1440467123;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251362;1440467245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there.
1251363;1440467263;mircea_popescu;but it's why i said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251273
1251364;1440467263;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if  anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
1251365;1440467266;*;asciilifeform buying coinz for 1st time since '12
1251366;1440467269;mircea_popescu;i do not believe scamming is economic activity.
1251367;1440467285;mircea_popescu;and i think sybil covers mitm
1251368;1440467302;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's rather like saying that locust is not an agriculturally-relevant organism, no ?
1251369;1440467304;mircea_popescu;* Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs.
1251370;1440467319;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sybil and mitm are entirely orthogonal concepts
1251371;1440467325;mircea_popescu;there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here.
1251372;1440467339;mircea_popescu;one at a time.
1251373;1440467347;asciilifeform;(the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it)
1251374;1440467356;mircea_popescu;1. locust. i did not say irrelevant, i said locust is not part of agriculture. it isn't.
1251375;1440467370;mircea_popescu;2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.
1251376;1440467426;mircea_popescu;Adlai : i am an expert in the english language.
1251377;1440467437;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology
1251378;1440467469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"
1251379;1440467530;mircea_popescu;mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.
1251380;1440467558;*;Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines
1251381;1440467590;asciilifeform;i'm not certain the target clientele ~have~ any money..?
1251382;1440467605;Adlai;buying bitcoin is much easier than using it
1251383;1440467610;mircea_popescu;students are bums ever since they were invented.
1251384;1440467623;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in R�o de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A
1251385;1440467640;mircea_popescu;catfish is shockingly not much eaten here.
1251386;1440467645;mircea_popescu;but the frogs were passible.
1251387;1440467651;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen!
1251388;1440467683;asciilifeform;(see thread)
1251389;1440467693;mircea_popescu;i can eat cat as is
1251390;1440467695;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge.
1251391;1440467697;mircea_popescu;tho i don't usually bite.
1251392;1440467706;asciilifeform;l0l
1251393;1440467730;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year
1251394;1440467743;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my back yard, even, is swarming with'em
1251395;1440467754;BingoBoingo;very clean animals
1251396;1440467761;asciilifeform;tried it ?
1251397;1440467761;mircea_popescu;also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around,
1251398;1440467774;mircea_popescu;it was rigurously defined and understood long ago, and we're not adding anything
1251399;1440467808;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.
1251400;1440467809;mircea_popescu;i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat.
1251401;1440467823;BingoBoingo;Nah, normally just hog fat.
1251402;1440467879;BingoBoingo;Marmota monax, the whistle pig is the animal of the moment
1251403;1440467957;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/#comment-115131 << me grins with three rows of shark teeth, like he used to
1251404;1440467958;assbot;Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V5TrYp )
1251405;1440467958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?'
1251406;1440467964;mircea_popescu;long long ago, in a univerde far far away
1251407;1440467982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is something there i think but not usable as is
1251408;1440468000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it has to be touched, somehow. because the notion is doomed to come into play
1251409;1440468004;mircea_popescu;yes.
1251410;1440468043;BingoBoingo;stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology
1251411;1440468080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, is there an academiwank dedicated to programs that prove properties of themselves ?
1251412;1440468105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: specifically prove ?
1251413;1440468115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ask the 'coq' folks
1251414;1440468116;mircea_popescu;not specifically
1251415;1440468133;asciilifeform;there is a long student tradition of writing 'quines', programs which display themselves.
1251416;1440468174;BingoBoingo;Incidently the whistle pig is the only animal model available for studying the Hepatitis B virus other than chimpanzees
1251417;1440468174;mircea_popescu;yq.
1251418;1440468176;mircea_popescu;ya*
1251419;1440468270;mircea_popescu;i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there.
1251420;1440468285;mircea_popescu;two extant problems being alf's provability and my economics/scam thing.
1251421;1440468306;mircea_popescu;there's possibly a third item too.
1251422;1440468380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all of this reminds me of a secret pleasure of mine - reading 'electrician' scientific publications from the era of heaviside
1251423;1440468399;asciilifeform;(at the time, 'electrician' meant roughly what 'solid state physicist' means today, but minus the derpatronic aspect)
1251424;1440468451;mircea_popescu;aha.
1251425;1440468466;asciilifeform;at any rate, the matter prior to heaviside nailing down maxwell's eqs to their modern form (maxwell had 20 eqs in that many unknowns!),
1251426;1440468472;asciilifeform;reads quite like this.
1251427;1440468476;mircea_popescu;quite.
1251428;1440468487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00071734 = 19.8703 BTC [-]
1251429;1440468492;mircea_popescu;i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe.
1251430;1440468502;mircea_popescu;"comfortable cultural anthropology"
1251431;1440468515;asciilifeform;what's mircea_popescu's corner? economitronics of the 1880s ?
1251432;1440468527;mircea_popescu;orwell for that matter displays it plainly, which is among the few facts pleading in favour of his intelligence.
1251433;1440468548;mircea_popescu;ah, i'm disorganised. from literary criticism to actual agriculture
1251434;1440468639;mircea_popescu;but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall.
1251435;1440468655;mircea_popescu;that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture.
1251436;1440468668;asciilifeform;we are perhaps at the level of ampere and faraday, analogously, but nowhere near maxwell.
1251437;1440468684;mircea_popescu;except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage
1251438;1440468686;mircea_popescu;but
1251439;1440468690;mircea_popescu;IN THEOIR GARAGE
1251440;1440468699;mircea_popescu;now it's like the fucking women took over, everyone's in the "mommy community".
1251441;1440468725;mircea_popescu;they exchange pictures and isn't it adorable what did the mean people say blablabla.
1251442;1440468743;asciilifeform;they had this!
1251443;1440468756;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm just bitter. but srsly...
1251444;1440468761;asciilifeform;i was recently enjoying an anthology of the collected personal correspondence of n. tesla
1251445;1440468775;asciilifeform;it was as 'mean girlz' as anything from tardstalk-mpoe-era
1251446;1440468797;asciilifeform;he did not often stoop to answering the tards, but sometimes could not avoid.
1251447;1440468819;mircea_popescu;care to put some selections on your blog ?
1251448;1440468838;asciilifeform;it is tempting.
1251449;1440468856;*;asciilifeform has a good deal of material like this, but in nothing like publishable form because ars longa...
1251450;1440468879;asciilifeform;the arse is long.
1251451;1440468929;mircea_popescu;you need a secretary.
1251452;1440468944;mircea_popescu;a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does.
1251453;1440468959;asciilifeform;i could also use a dirigible
1251454;1440468962;mircea_popescu;(which is why people fuck their secretaries. you really can't be any good unless intimately acquainted)
1251455;1440468968;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2015#1146469
1251456;1440468968;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 18:05:40; ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
1251457;1440468968;asciilifeform;that way folks wouldn't perforate bumper in the night
1251458;1440468975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.0007173 = 34.8966 BTC [-] {3} 
1251459;1440469003;mircea_popescu;"I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary
1251460;1440469003;mircea_popescu;ambitions were mixed up with the feeling of being isolated and undervalued."
1251461;1440469005;mircea_popescu;oookay.
1251462;1440469341;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they say knowing what's needed is half the battle!
1251463;1440469355;asciilifeform;'spreading works! even if eating doesn't yet!'
1251464;1440469402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44695 @ 0.00071724 = 32.057 BTC [-] {2} 
1251465;1440469492;asciilifeform;'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.'
1251466;1440469497;asciilifeform;(from same)
1251467;1440469592;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' << Oh he was writing about Today's luxury mega trucks that could tow 12,000 pounds but instead ferry 400 pounder to their daily McBeetus run
1251468;1440469786;mircea_popescu;^
1251469;1440469863;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty sure he was speaking of his 'beetle men'
1251470;1440469876;trinque;The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through.
1251471;1440469896;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506970
1251472;1440469896;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - e
1251473;1440469936;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality.
1251474;1440469982;trinque;This sort of hipsterism is native to Portland. If someone's rich, they're the self-deprecating kind of rich that winks at the camera while decrying the evils of money
1251475;1440469986;BingoBoingo;It is impossible to buy new small trucks in the United States because they simply aren't sold anymore. Sure you can buy used, but the used ones are only being sold because the previous owners either wrung all the life they could out of them or they are stupid.
1251476;1440470106;trinque;BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350?
1251477;1440470145;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em
1251478;1440470156;BingoBoingo;trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit.
1251479;1440470168;asciilifeform;(this is not coincidence, but rather how long it takes the typical schmuck to pay off the credit for the thing)
1251480;1440470180;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/4BcycXUu << i dunno if anyone actually gives a shit, but for those curious to see how the huddling-in-the-dark half lives...
1251481;1440470181;assbot;gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0FBEF185, created 2012-04-25        "Pe - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPUFFR )
1251482;1440470183;trinque;BingoBoingo: can't fault you that
1251483;1440470216;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em << There are ways to squeeze more life out of them, but the horrors plasticar (model year 2003) has been through...
1251484;1440470269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dafuq's that
1251485;1440470278;BingoBoingo;trinque: Harder than finding money that wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is finding a suitable vehicle to start from.
1251486;1440470301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform derpage.
1251487;1440470308;asciilifeform;i can see ~that~
1251488;1440470451;BingoBoingo;!up RagnarDanneskjol
1251489;1440470552;asciilifeform;'Why not go ahead and say it? You know that Mike and similar will counter-argue that mining needs to be done by "responsible" central authority figures running pools, so let them make that bogus argument...'
1251490;1440470553;asciilifeform;l0l
1251491;1440470621;asciilifeform;'aka "[jpeg image of size 5220]"' << i always l0lld from this misfeature
1251492;1440470630;asciilifeform;who the fuq thought this belonged in a pgptron ?!
1251493;1440470667;mircea_popescu;you can tell by all the breadcrumbs the use of pgp is so insecure it's outright spurious.
1251494;1440470694;asciilifeform;i assumed that this was lifted off todd's hdd or the like
1251495;1440470723;asciilifeform;where he perhaps gpg --decrypt ..... ... >> massive_turd.txt
1251496;1440470748;mircea_popescu;think, how would massive_turd exist ?
1251497;1440470774;asciilifeform;from the operator's laziness ?
1251498;1440470820;asciilifeform;some folks have poor memory, and keep plaintexts lyin' around ?
1251499;1440470846;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1251500;1440470864;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's fascinating what preoccupies people at any given juncture.
1251501;1440470899;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> think, how would massive_turd exist ? << shared with unreasonably personally WoTed person
1251502;1440471000;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/ << fucktards.
1251503;1440471001;assbot;Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPW2Ex )
1251504;1440471013;mircea_popescu;"imagine how nervewracking it were if you had to stick behind what you say! as a politician no less!"
1251505;1440471037;mircea_popescu;"people like mp who don't have to retract shit on a daily - or even decade-ally - basis would be at an unfair advantage!11"
1251506;1440471107;asciilifeform;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=john.dillon892%40googlemail.com&op=index << 'revoked' l0l
1251507;1440471108;assbot;Search results for 'john googlemail dillon892 com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPWeUa )
1251508;1440471178;asciilifeform;aaaaand...
1251509;1440471201;mircea_popescu;none of the names mentioned belong to anyone of any consequence, in bitcoin or in their immediate communities.
1251510;1440471205;asciilifeform;0FBEF185 does not appear to match any publicly-known pubkeys for pete@petertodd.org >>>>> https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=pete%40petertodd.org&op=index
1251511;1440471206;assbot;Search results for 'petertodd pete org' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQLAJY )
1251512;1440471213;asciilifeform;what gives
1251513;1440471293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82817 @ 0.0007167 = 59.3549 BTC [-] {6} 
1251514;1440471310;mircea_popescu;https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7FAB114267E4FA04 << sub  2048R/0FBEF185 2012-04-25
1251515;1440471312;assbot;Search results for '0x7fab114267e4fa04' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQLLot )
1251516;1440471324;asciilifeform;hm ok
1251517;1440471488;mircea_popescu;anyway. they sorta-read ba, mostly indirectly, and pretend like they're their own item. which is... you know, most people out there anyway.
1251518;1440471495;BingoBoingo;trinque: Anyways compact pickup over KING MEGA RANCH 6500 because what if one needs to go to Mexico cheaply?
1251519;1440471509;asciilifeform;dafuq is grabhive ?
1251520;1440471517;asciilifeform;domain is defunct
1251521;1440471543;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/hivewallet << this apparently
1251522;1440471545;assbot;Hive (@hivewallet) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQM7vk )
1251523;1440471562;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah, I've got no love for those giant ones aside from their utility re: actual work
1251524;1440471580;trinque;say you're hauling a literal shitload of horses, great
1251525;1440471582;mircea_popescu;http://www.monitorulcj.ro/sport/47949-clujeanca-bianca-razor-s-a-calificat-in-semifinale-campionatului-mondial-de-atletism-la-proba-de-400-m << almost hawt chick.
1251526;1440471583;assbot;Clujeanca Bianca Răzor s-a calificat în semifinalele Campionatului Mondial de atletism la proba de 400 m ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQMbLx )
1251527;1440471615;BingoBoingo;trinque: ANd for that purpose, gotta keep the cabin utilitarian so the help doesn't get temped to burn gas dicking around.
1251528;1440471633;*;asciilifeform just had mindfuck moment, read the title of that piece without realizing what language it was in
1251529;1440471634;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/UI3VIXn.png << USian 'Woman'
1251530;1440471635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQMgPl )
1251531;1440471692;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ?
1251532;1440471706;hanbot;in latest ml adventure, rotor-test2 for i686 makes a static bitcoind that gives sigill w/ LC_ALL=C (and won't run w/o it): http://dpaste.com/0J6HXAH
1251533;1440471707;assbot;dpaste: 0J6HXAH ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPX7Mk )
1251534;1440471753;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ? << They have the strictest rulesets sinc ethey aren't getting fucked outside of an accident. They pretend scarcity of opportunities is standards.
1251535;1440471788;mircea_popescu;oh right.
1251536;1440471805;mircea_popescu;i wonder who the fuck ever looked at her and thought "hey, i want her"
1251537;1440471871;mircea_popescu;http://www.fanatik.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/22/udrea1.jpg << for the record, this is the ass of romania's EX president's ex private secretary woman. pretty competent politician too.
1251538;1440471872;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPXlDl )
1251539;1440471887;mircea_popescu;she's like 50
1251540;1440471990;BingoBoingo;I really want to bring the filipinos USG pays for to USia to scrap the place collecting lipodiesel and biodiesel in the Iowan uranium mines.
1251541;1440471997;asciilifeform;hanbot: plz build unstripped and post gdb trace ??
1251542;1440472007;asciilifeform;hanbot: or at least lemme have the binary
1251543;1440472015;asciilifeform;(unstripped)
1251544;1440472051;asciilifeform;stripped bin is gonna look like that paste, buncha ????s
1251545;1440472109;asciilifeform;hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked !
1251546;1440472131;asciilifeform;this is betrayed by 'Illegal instruction.'
1251547;1440472148;*;trinque hazards a guess it might've been db
1251548;1440472156;asciilifeform;(i presume hanbot is actually testing on a machine running in 32-bit mode)
1251549;1440472179;asciilifeform;trinque: a long-mode-only opcode got shuffled in, almost dead certain
1251550;1440472245;trinque;makes sense
1251551;1440472292;asciilifeform;gcc linker is dumb as a brick, but we knew this.
1251552;1440472315;hanbot;<asciilifeform> hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked ! << ah thanks. rather than cutting up binaries/recompiling with symbols i'm going to look at this, seems the more likely explanation.
1251553;1440472330;asciilifeform;hanbot: you can examine your .o files with objdump
1251554;1440472348;asciilifeform;hanbot: but i also gotta ask, why are you building a x86-32 bitcoind ?
1251555;1440472370;asciilifeform;i mean, i can see arm-32 (pogo et al) or mips-32
1251556;1440472372;asciilifeform;but x86?
1251557;1440472411;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1251558;1440472426;asciilifeform;no especially heavy reason why not
1251559;1440472438;asciilifeform;it's a curious first choice, that's all.
1251560;1440472441;mircea_popescu;seems "nobody else did it" is a huge reason to.
1251561;1440472459;hanbot;well, machine/os i've got for testing is what i've got for testing. why not, indeed.
1251562;1440472479;*;asciilifeform ought to visit the place where he has a vintage sgi octane-II rusting away, and port to that
1251563;1440472592;asciilifeform;'FWIW adding SSL to the protocol is a fairly relatively non-invasive change. It might be worthwhile to implement that first as a means to test the developers you wish to hire to later implement partial mode.' << l0l!!
1251564;1440472598;BingoBoingo;Do you have a free shiva hand for that?
1251565;1440472604;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sadly no
1251566;1440472629;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I feel you there, my dosimeter has been peaked for a while
1251567;1440472696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86250 @ 0.00071368 = 61.5549 BTC [-] {4} 
1251568;1440472737;asciilifeform;'Just so you know this stuff about Tor has me worried... Please don't make this public, but my day job involves intelligence, and I'm in a relatively high position. You know, I went into the job years ago with very different thoughts about it than I do now. The last, well, decade really has changed a lot of minds in this field, in totally different ways. Myself I am on the side of Snowden and Assange, but... lets just say when
1251569;1440472737;asciilifeform; you have a family your willingness to be a martyr diminishes. The same is true of many of my colleagues. Hopefully my support for Bitcoin can help undo some of the damage we've done, but I do have to be careful and it's tough to take all the precautions I need to to be able to communicate. If it was found out that I was involved with Bitcoin that way I have been, let's just say there would be consequences...'
1251570;1440472768;mircea_popescu;herpderp.
1251571;1440472804;mircea_popescu;the blonde without a piece of paper saying breathe and the usian without his cockhead in his own mouth would just fall over and die.
1251572;1440472904;hanbot;ldd bitcoin/src/bitcoind: /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file , ftr.
1251573;1440472912;asciilifeform;'We are unable to explain the true nature of these patches in public because they guard against absolutely terrible DoS exploits that can take down ANY Bitcoin node.  So instead we called it, "Minor efficiency improvement in block peer request handling." which is somewhat true of the patch.'
1251574;1440472919;mats;asciilifeform: I find this unbelievable
1251575;1440472944;asciilifeform;mats: which? the gcc linker happily munching soup ?
1251576;1440472958;asciilifeform;hanbot: there we go.
1251577;1440472959;mircea_popescu;the linker wouldn't really have a way to know.
1251578;1440472974;asciilifeform;actually linker oughtta know, the elf is marked
1251579;1440473001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1200 @ 0.0021 = 2.52 BTC [+]
1251580;1440473002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00071204 = 28.6952 BTC [-] {3} 
1251581;1440473002;asciilifeform;but it is an old-fashioned tool, does not check that barrel is not pointed at your temple before whacking the firing pin.
1251582;1440473023;mats;no, this 'dun tell anyone, but am intel worker and support snowden and afraid of consequences of bitcoin involvement' smells
1251583;1440473032;trinque;the action movie phrasing of "let's just say..." overloads my bullshit-meter
1251584;1440473046;asciilifeform;mats: a shill may well say it, to gain sympathy
1251585;1440473053;asciilifeform;doesn't have to be true, ya know
1251586;1440473075;mats;guess so
1251587;1440473080;asciilifeform;doubleagent sop
1251588;1440473091;asciilifeform;'my boss is so mean'
1251589;1440473115;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3i8dbn/8_failing_bitcoin_businesses_desperately_demand/ lol
1251590;1440473116;assbot;8 failing bitcoin businesses desperately demand computer code increase their stagnant userbase. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPZ1g4 )
1251591;1440473143;*;mircea_popescu mildly regrets having linked the turd sample.
1251592;1440473157;mircea_popescu;is the timewaste at least enjoyable ?
1251593;1440473160;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: surely
1251594;1440473165;mircea_popescu;aok then
1251595;1440473188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and if you got any more of these, they are prolly likewise enjoyable.
1251596;1440473200;mircea_popescu;you know you gotta work sometime!
1251597;1440473201;asciilifeform;but i don't expect to find the launch codes in there, no.
1251598;1440473208;asciilifeform;l0l
1251599;1440473220;asciilifeform;'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 00000000' << win
1251600;1440473246;mircea_popescu;breadcrumbs.
1251601;1440473256;asciilifeform;shitcrumbs
1251602;1440473313;mircea_popescu;to the true rabbit, shit is bread.
1251603;1440473323;asciilifeform;aha
1251604;1440473327;asciilifeform;mega-cacotroph
1251605;1440473659;hanbot;asciilifeform so how do i tell linker not to link said item? or do i, even?
1251606;1440473951;asciilifeform;hanbot: problem is that something got built for x86-64 instead of x86
1251607;1440473968;asciilifeform;chances are, it was boost
1251608;1440473980;asciilifeform;which has machine arch explicitly specified in stator.sh
1251609;1440473991;asciilifeform;but could also be openssl, ditto
1251610;1440474011;asciilifeform;hanbot: plz post your stator.sh
1251611;1440474117;deedbot-;[Qntra] Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining - http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/
1251612;1440474268;hanbot;http://dpaste.com/0W7W8YJ  (in which ./Configure --prefix=$OURLIBS no-dso no-shared threads linux-x86_64 && make && make install_sw; , heh)
1251613;1440474269;assbot;dpaste: 0W7W8YJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1V61Hrb )
1251614;1440474317;asciilifeform;hanbot: fix it then.
1251615;1440474387;hanbot;mhm.
1251616;1440474397;asciilifeform;hanbot: linux-x86
1251617;1440474402;*;hanbot puts a quarter in the dint'd raed jar
1251618;1440474443;gernika;thestringpuller: "However it does rise the humidity of the surrounding air" - should be "raise" - http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/
1251619;1440474444;assbot;Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1V61TqC )
1251620;1440474539;BingoBoingo;gernika: fxd
1251621;1440475490;BingoBoingo;Win http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GsVkysXZ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1400215357088099761.png
1251622;1440475491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQ1ZRQ )
1251623;1440475990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00071698 = 14.4113 BTC [+]
1251624;1440476124;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that ?
1251625;1440476147;BingoBoingo;A frat house on freshman move in day
1251626;1440476190;BingoBoingo;They put out a polite invitation for the girls and their mums
1251627;1440476246;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1251628;1440476378;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1251629;1440476381;gribble;Current Blocks: 371413 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 1546 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1251630;1440476990;mircea_popescu;http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/priority-ashley-madison-leak-no-big-deal-think/ << shit i was wrong.
1251631;1440476991;assbot;Ashley Madison Leak No Big Deal? Think Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJd7K9 )
1251632;1440477045;mircea_popescu;"Ironically, this is the second time I�ve run across Popescu in my writing. Popescu is a member of a group who call themselves �The Bitcoin Lordship,� who opposed a necessary increase in the Bitcoin block size for some very silly and shortsighted reasons. I remember thinking that he in particular was an ugly combination of paranoid, narcissistic, and downright mean. I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessme
1251633;1440477045;mircea_popescu;nt, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess."
1251634;1440477047;mircea_popescu;herp ?
1251635;1440477055;mircea_popescu;"Trust me: nothing of value was lost."
1251636;1440477108;mircea_popescu;"The latest Tweets from Andre Infante (@AndreTI). FutureTech editor at MakeUseOf. Game developer. Future savior of humanity. New Mexico."
1251637;1440477110;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1251638;1440477210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00071723 = 15.2053 BTC [+]
1251639;1440477412;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'if i say it three times, it is true!' (tm) (r) (lewis carroll)
1251640;1440477448;mircea_popescu;still, derp gets the prize for paying attention.
1251641;1440477462;asciilifeform;handler gets prize.
1251642;1440477468;asciilifeform;derp - gets salary.
1251643;1440477478;BingoBoingo;"I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessment, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess." << IncrediLoL
1251644;1440477698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00071796 = 31.8774 BTC [+] {3} 
1251645;1440479234;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, just buy 5000 nodes and stop with this joke, please: http://www.xtnodes.com/
1251646;1440479235;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6LBf )
1251647;1440479265;BingoBoingo;Can't even spell Andressen, can't even link qntra https://archive.is/zokeX
1251648;1440479266;assbot;The Hard Fork: Will Bitcoin XT Take? - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6NJe )
1251649;1440479383;BingoBoingo;<felipelalli> mircea_popescu, just buy 5000 nodes and stop with this joke, please: http://www.xtnodes.com/ << But that wouldn't be very shiny and chrome
1251650;1440479384;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6LBf )
1251651;1440479385;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, lol I'm so ingenuous. Thank you!
1251652;1440479405;felipelalli;I just forgot that.
1251653;1440479484;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, but it would be funny.
1251654;1440479552;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: But not maximally funny. Better to keep therealbitcoin gearing low nao to better handle rocks. Gotta get pwer from the flywheel to the ground to climb a mountain
1251655;1440479660;felipelalli;They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.
1251656;1440479674;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he prolly loaded it during a ddos bout or something
1251657;1440479711;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There surprisingly hasn't been a qntra DoS that I have noticed since the XT'ening
1251658;1440479712;mircea_popescu;felipelalli im not entirely sure what the fake node count does tbh.
1251659;1440479735;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo or since some guy came in here and apologize about something vague
1251660;1440479779;BingoBoingo;Well, onto the qntra comments for the same. These things happen with increasing frequency.
1251661;1440479833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58757 @ 0.00071113 = 41.7839 BTC [-] {2} 
1251662;1440480160;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoingriefers.com/rankings/ << 2nd!
1251663;1440480163;assbot;Rankings | Bitcoin Griefers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu7d2v )
1251664;1440480296;BingoBoingo;Above Pirateat40!!!
1251665;1440480407;BingoBoingo;the 1418 is pretty weak though mircea_popescu, better fix that
1251666;1440480434;mircea_popescu;i am the only "political prisoner" on the list so to speak.
1251667;1440480546;BingoBoingo;lol
1251668;1440480824;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: now you are #1
1251669;1440480841;mircea_popescu;lol ?
1251670;1440480858;mircea_popescu;http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21537-post-1096996.html#pid1096996 << kinda incredible how far bitcoin actually reaches.
1251671;1440480859;assbot;The Bitcoin thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1U3BnRD )
1251672;1440480873;mircea_popescu;what do zerohedge, rooshv and whatever have in common ? a live interest in bitcoin
1251673;1440480892;mircea_popescu;sorta like being a name in flying cca 1920, everyone's got a throught for you.
1251674;1440481045;mircea_popescu;wait BingoBoingo is that you ?
1251675;1440481060;BingoBoingo;Not that one, no
1251676;1440481154;BingoBoingo;I am never apologetic to randos on the interwebz
1251677;1440481537;BingoBoingo;So, I moved the Popescu, Ulbricht slate above the shitheads on that griefer site. No good reason why MP and RU should have low elo ratings.
1251678;1440481774;mircea_popescu;what am i gonna tell my mom!
1251679;1440481803;BingoBoingo;You won?
1251680;1440481833;mircea_popescu;hm.
1251681;1440481846;BingoBoingo;I'm voting based on misery brought upon Derps, no moral consideration involved
1251682;1440481873;BingoBoingo;Or is griefing not the act of bringing grief upon people/beoble
1251683;1440482084;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski not really my jam.
1251684;1440482084;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251685;1440482093;mircea_popescu;i have no idea lol. voting stuff.
1251686;1440482229;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251096 << i actually ran into a client thing that looks 90% hand rolled
1251687;1440482229;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 00:40:27; phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
1251688;1440482237;ben_vulpes;has been limping along since 2007
1251689;1440482264;ben_vulpes;ghost galleon in orbit. everyone fears it and doesn't know how it works.
1251690;1440482834;*;mircea_popescu wonders if fellater gem is actually a thing
1251691;1440482871;ben_vulpes;'factory girl' is close
1251692;1440482898;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'll be puzzling over that quiz for a bit. wonderful fun!
1251693;1440482936;ben_vulpes;i'd probably sweat through a shirt taking it
1251694;1440482975;mircea_popescu;make sure you reload it sometime tomorrow just in case i actually wake up with any ideas.
1251695;1440483053;*;BingoBoingo seriously suggests biology section
1251696;1440483065;mircea_popescu;it does give me a taste of a very old yet apparently not forgotten "you are not expected to understand this" day at special math studies group within gifted kids hs. which is hopefully a ghood thing.
1251697;1440483077;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im not putting a biology section in there!
1251698;1440483081;mircea_popescu;what if it raises ctulhu!
1251699;1440483091;BingoBoingo;Isn't it supposed to!
1251700;1440483122;mircea_popescu;no.
1251701;1440483131;mircea_popescu;it's like perverse asian sex practice. edging only.
1251702;1440483186;BingoBoingo;Fine, if it is edging Biology section only needs one question: "Is fire alive?"
1251703;1440483309;mircea_popescu;ima make a metaphysical section with quotes from you.
1251704;1440483364;BingoBoingo;Could work. I just dunno why alf is so anti-section b
1251705;1440483377;ben_vulpes;c4: "python so that the world might participate"
1251706;1440483485;mircea_popescu;avram iancu is a romanian folk hero. famously a guy answered "describe in brief the life and activity of avram iancu" task by writing down the letter R
1251707;1440483492;mircea_popescu;which turns the name into "Avram takes it in the butt"
1251708;1440483495;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251301 << input parsing is hard yo just ask the pygpg people
1251709;1440483495;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 01:22:58; mircea_popescu: either &lt; or something. esp <--- is a comment.
1251710;1440484164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00071516 = 27.8555 BTC [+] {2} 
1251711;1440485384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00070876 = 12.5096 BTC [-] {4} 
1251712;1440485528;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0A1CH2K.txt
1251713;1440485529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jix6Bz )
1251714;1440485529;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1251715;1440485837;wyrdmantis;!h
1251716;1440485837;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1251717;1440486177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76669 @ 0.00071422 = 54.7585 BTC [+] {3} 
1251718;1440488211;fluffypony;http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/136148-most-popular-programming-languages-on-github-2008-to-2015.html
1251719;1440488213;assbot;Most popular programming languages on Github: 2008 to 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WPnsxg )
1251720;1440488267;fluffypony;tl;dr: decline in Ruby, Python, and C. Massive increase in Java, C#, and CSS. Javascript is #1.
1251721;1440489641;mircea_popescu;lol sorry about that wyrdmantis
1251722;1440489679;mircea_popescu;heh
1251723;1440489898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00070869 = 34.1589 BTC [-]
1251724;1440489964;mircea_popescu;fluffypony in fairness, if one did the same calculation for "artists", bellybutton lint would probably figure very high
1251725;1440489969;fluffypony;hah hah
1251726;1440490204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00071542 = 13.9507 BTC [+]
1251727;1440490508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00071681 = 55.1944 BTC [+] {3} 
1251728;1440490691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92050 @ 0.00070768 = 65.1419 BTC [-] {4} 
1251729;1440493619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00070699 = 59.5286 BTC [-] {2} 
1251730;1440495937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00070654 = 5.3697 BTC [-] {2} 
1251731;1440498926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00071242 = 40.1449 BTC [+]
1251732;1440499353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00071242 = 21.4795 BTC [+]
1251733;1440499963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00070905 = 4.6443 BTC [-]
1251734;1440501732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00071159 = 24.9057 BTC [+]
1251735;1440501976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85900 @ 0.00071058 = 61.0388 BTC [-] {5} 
1251736;1440502098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67903 @ 0.00070654 = 47.9762 BTC [-]
1251737;1440503257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00071443 = 26.2553 BTC [+]
1251738;1440503806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00070751 = 27.2745 BTC [-]
1251739;1440504416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10143 @ 0.00070779 = 7.1791 BTC [+]
1251740;1440505941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00070707 = 25.3485 BTC [-] {3} 
1251741;1440507405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00070659 = 33.2097 BTC [-] {3} 
1251742;1440507527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61627 @ 0.00070645 = 43.5364 BTC [-] {5} 
1251743;1440508042;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap is down - whole machine.
1251744;1440508042;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251745;1440508145;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251447 +1
1251746;1440508145;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 02:13:39; mircea_popescu: care to put some selections on your blog ?
1251747;1440508253;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu 'network is unreachable'
1251748;1440508254;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251749;1440508349;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/17SQB7H.txt
1251750;1440508351;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5LKH )
1251751;1440508351;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251752;1440508368;gernika;BingoBoingo: did you mean cron instead of "chron" here? http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/
1251753;1440508369;assbot;Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPW2Ex )
1251754;1440508418;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and shouldn't it be 'politicians' deleted tweets' ?
1251755;1440508438;wyrdmantis;asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-08-2015#1249548 can you explain more about this? why l2 cache is relevant? thanks in advance
1251756;1440508438;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 15:08:04; wyrdmantis: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1244364 asciilifeform can you explain me why this is relevant? i person i know has told me that L2 chache is irrelevant because "the working set of memory pages veryfing ECDSA signatures is extremely small and takes places also in L1” I don’t have counter-arguments with him because this is not my field but… i trust your opinion more. Also he says that
1251757;1440508482;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: for instance, there is more than one signature in a block !
1251758;1440508519;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: likewise, you must count not only data but code pages;
1251759;1440508567;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud
1251760;1440508644;wyrdmantis;ok, so this is why bigger blocks and verification time don't scale linearly?
1251761;1440508654;asciilifeform;roughly.
1251762;1440508732;asciilifeform;if interested in the subject, try to study - experimentally - how your cache works. recent (2007+) cpu from both major houses make this feasible.
1251763;1440508733;wyrdmantis;asciilifeform thank you
1251764;1440508739;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: yw
1251765;1440508810;*;asciilifeform bbl
1251766;1440508826;kakobrekla;i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
1251767;1440509206;wyrdmantis;kakobrekla: only idiots thinks that there must be no limit. the issue is WHERE to put this limit
1251768;1440509253;wyrdmantis;i'm for not touching it at all
1251769;1440510456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18637 @ 0.00070779 = 13.1911 BTC [+]
1251770;1440511066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106610 @ 0.00070667 = 75.3381 BTC [-] {3} 
1251771;1440511493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25235 @ 0.00071442 = 18.0284 BTC [+] {2} 
1251772;1440511808;BingoBoingo;ty gernika and asciilifeform, corrected
1251773;1440514418;asciilifeform;;;isup nosuchlabs.com
1251774;1440514419;gribble;nosuchlabs.com is down
1251775;1440514608;asciilifeform;anybody on the other side of the atlantic wanna post a traceroute 195.211.154.159 ?
1251776;1440514637;asciilifeform;presently not able to reach it from anywhere in usa
1251777;1440514726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00070642 = 16.6715 BTC [-]
1251778;1440514909;wyrdmantis;asciilifeform: trying
1251779;1440514969;wyrdmantis;http://dpaste.com/0SJW2Q7 <<--- asciilifeform
1251780;1440514971;assbot;dpaste: 0SJW2Q7: by gabriele.dalroverezurla@gmail.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhBJgq )
1251781;1440514985;asciilifeform;ty wyrdmantis
1251782;1440515154;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000156.html << cool! i'll try to get mine signed here soon. today or tomorrow.
1251783;1440515155;assbot;[BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtSNzo )
1251784;1440515185;asciilifeform;mod6: don't bother signing the tarballs, they are included for completeness. the thing to be signed is vpatches.
1251785;1440515225;asciilifeform;mod6: i recommend to follow the format nameofpatch.vpatch.mod6.sig
1251786;1440515479;Jautenim;stan http://pastebin.com/rqsfgNcY
1251787;1440515480;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----  Version: GnuPG v1    hQEMA4iazE/I7/8TAQgAoUczBaxqX+ - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ5V3p )
1251788;1440515515;asciilifeform;ty Jautenim !
1251789;1440515623;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: don't bother signing the tarballs, they are included for completeness. the thing to be signed is vpatches. << ok np.
1251790;1440515654;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: i recommend to follow the format nameofpatch.vpatch.mod6.sig << cool, sounds good.
1251791;1440517175;asciilifeform;14 April 2015: Cryptome Public Key forgery: 4096R/922D08D9 2015-03-24 Cryptome <cryptome@earthlink.net> Fingerprint=442E FB9B 6BD0 E069 86D4 E335 CD2F 43B5 922D 08D9 << l0l
1251792;1440517328;BingoBoingo;I went to the cigarette emporium at exactly the right time today. RJ Reynolds rep was there and offered for an additional $2 on top of the cigs I was buying one of these kits http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2427721,00.asp
1251793;1440517329;assbot;Vuse Digital Vapor Cigarettes Review & Rating | PCMag.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnCaS )
1251794;1440517360;asciilifeform;pcmag !?
1251795;1440517366;asciilifeform;these have usb port, or what
1251796;1440517381;asciilifeform;(... and why?)
1251797;1440517388;lobbes;whenever I try to switch to e-cigs I just end up wanting real cigs
1251798;1440517390;BingoBoingo;Charger plugs into a usb port
1251799;1440517395;asciilifeform;ah
1251800;1440517399;phf;double as bitcoin wallets
1251801;1440517408;BingoBoingo;So far this one has adequate "burn" at the throat.
1251802;1440517434;lobbes;that is a very crucial property
1251803;1440517440;*;BingoBoingo just plans on using phone charger for this thing if I keep up with it.
1251804;1440517472;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't know why i bothered, but https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with
1251805;1440517474;assbot;Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
1251806;1440517505;BingoBoingo;upvoted asciilifeform
1251807;1440517517;BingoBoingo;Rep could tell I was a loyal RJ Reynolds customer though when I merely asked for smokes and the clerk new which kind
1251808;1440517655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00070642 = 9.7839 BTC [-]
1251809;1440518003;BingoBoingo;Ecigs might be the only thing in 'Murica that's gotten less shitty since 2012
1251810;1440518051;asciilifeform;'I apologise for my tardiness, but here is the 5.11BTC I promised for the CoinJoin effort.' << >> https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV
1251811;1440518052;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv )
1251812;1440518072;lobbes;they have improved quite a bit. I remember when they were the size of markers. I had one once where the plastic mouthpiece would break at least once a month
1251813;1440518152;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ibh95/coins_stolen_from_mycelium_wallet_how_do_you << lulzies
1251814;1440518153;assbot;Coins stolen from mycelium wallet. How do you think it might have happened? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEoGM4 )
1251815;1440518219;lobbes;to make them a true replacement though, I think they'd need to simulate the ammonia and arsenic et al.
1251816;1440518223;lobbes;I think I crave that as much as the nicotine heh
1251817;1440518316;BingoBoingo;lobbes: My theory is they need to include more than the nicotine. There's actually a pretty potent MAOI in tobacco that persists in the smoke
1251818;1440518340;BingoBoingo;But maybe it is in this mix, only testing can confirm
1251819;1440518383;phf;main issue is that ecigs can never look this cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuZklVrHspM
1251820;1440518384;assbot;Gainsbourg, The initials BB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbJpWx )
1251821;1440518386;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how is the 'juice' made ? i.e. clean mix of pesticidal-grade nicotine and flavourings, or is it actually squeezed from tobacco ?
1251822;1440518464;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have to imagine extracted. Even pesticide grade nicotine is typically extracted and then isolated to my knowledge. This package says extracted from tobacco, but RJ Reynolds is not in my WoT to the extent I can take that on face value.
1251823;1440518509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56081 @ 0.00070489 = 39.5309 BTC [-] {5} 
1251824;1440518531;BingoBoingo;I dunno if there is a cheaper way to get nicotine, even for pesticide than extracting from tobacco
1251825;1440518570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50577 @ 0.000704 = 35.6062 BTC [-] {3} 
1251826;1440518636;punkman;BingoBoingo: what do you think about inhaling glycerine/propylene-glycol?
1251827;1440518661;BingoBoingo;A little soap can't be that bad for the lungs
1251828;1440518697;phf;asciilifeform: i think there's a range. there's an ecigar (not sure how it's called) place next door, which is favored by asians and blacks. actually pipes are large and made out of machined parts, but produce massive amounts of smoke. they source nicotine oil separately, and my impression is that you can get anything from dodgy chinese stuff with flavors like "coca cola bubble gum" to u.s. local hand extracted tobacco oil
1251829;1440518797;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Can you please call me ? No. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/25/can-you-please-call-me-no/
1251830;1440519363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70907 @ 0.00071792 = 50.9056 BTC [+] {4} 
1251831;1440520488;thestringpuller;lol lobbes you crave the bad stuff of cigarettes lol?
1251832;1440520548;thestringpuller;i've always thought e-cigs can wane you off more easily than other things because you can cram so much nicotine in the juice
1251833;1440520591;thestringpuller;and the delivery to the lungs is much more efficient.
1251834;1440520667;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PTtX1HPWj4
1251835;1440520668;assbot;These Kids Made The Most Genius Basketball Trick Shot Video Of All-Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4tfjQ )
1251836;1440521010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27693 @ 0.00071992 = 19.9367 BTC [+]
1251837;1440521338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looking into it.
1251838;1440521616;lobbes;thestringpuller: lol. Well there's somethin' about the 'pure' nicotine that doesn't do it for me with e-cigs. Though BB's point about MAOI persisting in 'traditional' tobacco smoke perhaps makes more sense
1251839;1440521670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dunno, seems to be blackholed somehow. the server itself is fine. the looking into continues.
1251840;1440521704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see log. traceroutes all fall into neverneverland
1251841;1440521716;mircea_popescu;well sure. from pretty much everywherre
1251842;1440521722;asciilifeform;aha. both sides of atlantic.
1251843;1440521767;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1YEMCVW << pretty early, too.
1251844;1440521769;assbot;dpaste: 1YEMCVW ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4vjIu )
1251845;1440521788;mircea_popescu;i mean... what's the connection between core11.hetzner.de and verizon-gni.net
1251846;1440521797;asciilifeform;none, it's the dropoff
1251847;1440521804;asciilifeform;the former - yours, the latter - mine
1251848;1440521805;mircea_popescu;course trilema is also a little sluggish
1251849;1440521815;lobbes;;;later tell trinque is deedbot- handling phuctor now too? No worries either way; I just want to make sure our gears are turning in-sync
1251850;1440521816;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251851;1440522047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53560 @ 0.00071421 = 38.2531 BTC [-] {5} 
1251852;1440523240;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251759 << incidentally, on a multicore system one could probably do some pretty spiffy kernel improvements to squeeze more juice for a purely node system.
1251853;1440523240;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 13:16:07; asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud
1251854;1440523258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: best kernel improvement is to single-task the thing
1251855;1440523259;mircea_popescu;just the fact that "these pages don't get swapped" would prolly 3x the whole thing or some shit
1251856;1440523268;mircea_popescu;and who watches the ethercard ?
1251857;1440523284;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the nic knows how to dma, recall.
1251858;1440523303;mircea_popescu;i do not think there ever existed a "single task programmable computer" yet, in spite of convincing early ibm emulation. you either get signal processing or multi tasking
1251859;1440523307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is, none of this is even worth thinking about until items like multiprocessorized sig validation are a thing
1251860;1440523325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'single task' in the sense of there not being a timeslicer
1251861;1440523335;mircea_popescu;kernel gets a timeslicer for itself anyway
1251862;1440523339;asciilifeform;yes, you still have interrupt handlers.
1251863;1440523345;mircea_popescu;so it can run "this timeslicing is no longer supporterd please run upgrade"
1251864;1440523367;asciilifeform;but it is perfectly feasible to run something like bitcoin as an embedded proggy.
1251865;1440523385;mircea_popescu;no argument. was just pounding the more theoretical side of things.
1251866;1440523441;asciilifeform;i worked it out. the only interrupt handlers one even needs, are a) timer b) nic frame ring buffer (tx, rx) full/empty.
1251867;1440523471;asciilifeform;(and, optionally, disk dma req. complete)
1251868;1440523504;mircea_popescu;anyway, our friends' apparently well intended conundrum is i think illustrative for the woe betid the modern man, asked to come up with "votes" on matters so far removed from his understanding.
1251869;1440523515;asciilifeform;could, theoretically, do this port even now, if one were to 'de-thread' the thing
1251870;1440523567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that.
1251871;1440523599;asciilifeform;lucky job that i have one. (and i'd be disappointed if only i)
1251872;1440523604;mircea_popescu;i'm curious if the size of that empire will allow the young and clueless mining derps be squashed by decade-old us foreign policy technology that their older, more politically central counterparts have long ago figured how to sink
1251873;1440523635;mircea_popescu;but, this discussion's yet out of its time.
1251874;1440523653;asciilifeform;parachute!
1251875;1440523658;mircea_popescu;mno.
1251876;1440523670;mircea_popescu;you ever seen the robotzi re parachutes ?
1251877;1440523679;asciilifeform;dun think so
1251878;1440523694;mircea_popescu;lemme dig it up, then you can watch it then i can say something pithy about it
1251879;1440523716;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Ei81re1Ao
1251880;1440523716;assbot;RObotzi.S03.Ep3.Hobby - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWlSWP )
1251881;1440523736;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/1qvgld/a_leak_in_the_bitcoin_reddit_shows_private << lulz
1251882;1440523738;assbot;A leak in the bitcoin reddit, shows private messages between bitcoin developers included litecoin head developer : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWm0Wn )
1251883;1440523749;mircea_popescu;lol
1251884;1440523756;asciilifeform;apparently no one gave a shit then, either.
1251885;1440523778;asciilifeform;(spoiler: it's the paste from last night.)
1251886;1440523849;mircea_popescu;as you say, entomological interest.
1251887;1440523872;asciilifeform;much entomological sample, so scarce the ddt.
1251888;1440523945;mircea_popescu;so didja see it ?
1251889;1440523969;asciilifeform;see what?
1251890;1440523996;mircea_popescu;youtube above!
1251891;1440524024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251766 << i recall this tidbit of shisdom peppered throughout the "conversation"
1251892;1440524024;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 13:20:26; kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
1251893;1440524071;kakobrekla;ah ok then
1251894;1440524083;mircea_popescu;wyrdmantis no fucking way your name actually is "dalroverezurla"
1251895;1440524085;kakobrekla;so the 5 btc went to buy silk road stuff ?
1251896;1440524104;mircea_popescu;nfi. something with donations or w/e.
1251897;1440524112;*;asciilifeform still not very handy with spoken ro
1251898;1440524114;mircea_popescu;prolly went to sergent blackforce the 9th power or w/e
1251899;1440524125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, ima translate it in a second then
1251900;1440524133;mircea_popescu;these guys are impossible anyway
1251901;1440524304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00070977 = 37.023 BTC [-] {3} 
1251902;1440524360;mircea_popescu;!rated wyrdmantis
1251903;1440524360;assbot;You have not rated wyrdmantis.
1251904;1440524367;mircea_popescu;!rate wyrdmantis 1 Good name.
1251905;1440524367;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/34b678e3f80d850e
1251906;1440524386;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1251907;1440524387;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
1251908;1440524670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.10097459 = 1.5146 BTC [-] {5} 
1251909;1440525158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108500 @ 0.00072101 = 78.2296 BTC [+] {3} 
1251910;1440525728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/robotzi-s03-ep3-hobby/
1251911;1440525729;assbot;RObotzi S03 Ep3 : Hobby on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwSnc1 )
1251912;1440525789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato!
1251913;1440525890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00070977 = 13.3082 BTC [-]
1251914;1440525951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39507 @ 0.00070977 = 28.0409 BTC [-]
1251915;1440526090;mircea_popescu;dja see what i mean ?
1251916;1440526093;asciilifeform;aha.
1251917;1440526113;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole as is down, being worked on, dulap should be back later.
1251918;1440526134;asciilifeform;spiffy
1251919;1440526169;asciilifeform;all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
1251920;1440526179;asciilifeform;~crackle~, ~hiss~, ..., ..., outage
1251921;1440526230;mircea_popescu;lol
1251922;1440526256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00070449 = 30.9623 BTC [-]
1251923;1440526261;mircea_popescu;progress is what happens when everything gradually goes to shit
1251924;1440526264;mircea_popescu;so whadja expect.
1251925;1440526276;asciilifeform;hogress.
1251926;1440526343;asciilifeform;... and it appear that i'm ~still~ the only one keeping public therealbitcoin nodez ?? are folks waiting for the version string thing (imho pretty useless...) or what ?
1251927;1440526434;jurov;;;later tell felipelalli btc-dev l2 keys are updated once per day, if your emails still aren't accepted, i'll check it it on weekend (currently abroad, no access)
1251928;1440526435;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1251929;1440526506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with << they luvv it
1251930;1440526507;assbot;Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
1251931;1440526543;asciilifeform;(anybody need a bucket of cockroaches for anything ??!11)
1251932;1440526963;punkman;so petertodd loaned John Dillon 5.1 btc, which he then sent to gmaxwell, to https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV which is tagged "DPR seized coins"?
1251933;1440526964;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv )
1251934;1440526988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00070377 = 32.4438 BTC [-] {2} 
1251935;1440527104;punkman;oh wrong link, 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH was supposed to be gmaxwell's address
1251936;1440527146;kakobrekla;is that when sr was still up?
1251937;1440527154;*;mircea_popescu looks for the "as mp said a few months ago", doesn't find it, doesn't give a shit.
1251938;1440527275;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#337920
1251939;1440527275;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2013 15:46:43; ozbot: FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner
1251940;1440527292;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: yes
1251941;1440527293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00070361 = 70.2906 BTC [-] {4} 
1251942;1440527317;kakobrekla;so, someone bought some drugs.
1251943;1440527321;punkman;the 5.1099 btc was sent on 2013-11-16
1251944;1440527363;kakobrekla;wasnt it  2013-10-26
1251945;1440527374;asciilifeform;hm
1251946;1440527388;asciilifeform;even more peculiar.
1251947;1440527402;punkman;kakobrekla: no that's when petertodd sent the money to Dillon
1251948;1440527418;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/slush_on_xt.png a little kek
1251949;1440527421;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ubqec7 )
1251950;1440527421;kakobrekla;https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV this address i thin kwas under dprs control
1251951;1440527422;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv )
1251952;1440527428;kakobrekla;https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH this one is under usms
1251953;1440527429;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbqhES )
1251954;1440527448;punkman;so john dillon wasn't a spook, was dpr?
1251955;1440527477;kakobrekla;deposited to sr wallet
1251956;1440527479;kakobrekla;id say
1251957;1440527481;kakobrekla;dunno
1251958;1440527491;kakobrekla;yes, after bust .
1251959;1440527601;mircea_popescu;jurov guy's gone full retard.
1251960;1440527607;mircea_popescu;!rated slush
1251961;1440527607;assbot;You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit.
1251962;1440527669;mircea_popescu;but lol @gogulski
1251963;1440527680;mircea_popescu;the only shit that's bad is still in your head, yo.
1251964;1440527685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enough, i encountered gogulski entirely by chance, elsewhere:
1251965;1440527699;mircea_popescu;that's what not agreeing with me usually means. that you got some horse droppings in a portion of your brain.
1251966;1440527705;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << he bought my 'dukedom'
1251967;1440527707;assbot;Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwU6Oz )
1251968;1440527723;mircea_popescu;good for him
1251969;1440527813;*;asciilifeform does not know anything else about herr gogulski, other than the incident where he publicly burned his u.s. passport and formally renounced citizenship
1251970;1440527851;mircea_popescu;there's an immense pile of people who "don't agree with mp" as if that's some sort of vanity prop.
1251971;1440527871;mircea_popescu;which... whatevs. growing up happens to the best of 'em.
1251972;1440528003;*;asciilifeform was contemplating the apparent fact that: whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them. hence there is likely massive enthusiasm for anything that smacks of destroying or at least defiling bitcoin, on grounds of sheer envy
1251973;1440528022;asciilifeform;'perhaps ~now~ we get a chance'
1251974;1440528485;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with/cufbrx6 << cockroach squirms
1251975;1440528487;assbot;petertodd comments on Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtuUK )
1251976;1440528487;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg3009444#msg3009444  << addresses used by jdillon to donate 10btc to coinjoin fund https://blockchain.info/tx/1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2
1251977;1440528489;assbot;CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxA8 )
1251978;1440528489;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxQo )
1251979;1440528827;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
1251980;1440528849;asciilifeform;(naturally, not applicable to extant bitcoin.)
1251981;1440529049;mircea_popescu;it was discussed in bitcoin too.
1251982;1440529056;mircea_popescu;predictably, pool ops do not like the idea at all.
1251983;1440529063;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it's plenty applicable, if one talks forks.
1251984;1440529094;mircea_popescu;but by the time one talks forks to that level, some sort of much different bitcoin would be on the table anyway. with ring signatures and various other items.
1251985;1440529330;mircea_popescu;" whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them" <<< ahahahaha. fucking DOH. not even usg is this fucking stupid. albeit this is not deliberately, just, the low level idiots have no access to any btc and the high level doods know better. but for that matter : usg employees don't even get fiat.
1251986;1440529346;mircea_popescu;people in the camp work for a) promises of future and b) mortgage-and-meal tickets.
1251987;1440529352;mircea_popescu;what bitcoin.
1251988;1440529397;mircea_popescu;you think the fucktards writing "gawker" and all its clones are getting paid ? thjey aren't. they do it because i won't take them to work for qntra, and they imagine that if they persevere they can somehow prevail without needing to actually do the hard work.
1251989;1440529404;mircea_popescu;the same's true throughout.
1251990;1440529588;asciilifeform;even pig is sometimes permitted to eat truffle
1251991;1440529593;asciilifeform;but not often.
1251992;1440529692;asciilifeform;'usg employees don't even get fiat' << this is true in a strictly technical sense. but in fact senior nomenklatura ('ses' and up, but also grey-usg folk like uni professors) bring in very decent dough via 'contracting' and pseudo-industrial gigs.
1251993;1440529822;mircea_popescu;how many monets' worth ?
1251994;1440529853;mircea_popescu;this is the point easily missed. "oh, bitcoin is a 5 bn dollar system". no it's fucking not lol.
1251995;1440529856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: easily into the multiple millimonets, for a typical case
1251996;1440529861;mircea_popescu;you can buy about 100k and it stays at 5bn
1251997;1440529868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but for senior brass, whole monets
1251998;1440529871;mircea_popescu;once you buy 1bn, it's suddenly a 50 trillion system
1251999;1440529888;mircea_popescu;same is true of monets, but the exponential's going the other way
1252000;1440529901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: somehow no one is foolish enough to make the mistake in, e.g., aluminum market
1252001;1440529972;*;asciilifeform was using 'millimonet' as an approximate unit, 4 * 10^4 usd.
1252002;1440529976;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251979 <-- a test implementation exists called "spreadcoin"
1252003;1440529976;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
1252004;1440529989;asciilifeform;'spreading works!!111!!!11'
1252005;1440530093;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: appears to be entirely dead
1252006;1440530103;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: so dead that not even a copy of the paper can be turned up.
1252007;1440530167;asciilifeform;or, hm, maybe not
1252008;1440530196;asciilifeform;http://www.spreadcoin.info/downloads/SpreadCoin-WhitePaper.pdf
1252009;1440530197;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NH9dqx )
1252010;1440530211;asciilifeform;^http://dpaste.com/2CMFP15
1252011;1440530368;asciilifeform;'In SpreadCoin mining is organized in such way that miner must know the following things: 1. Private key corresponding to the coinbase transaction. 2. Whole block, not only its header. ... Pool may detect and ban cheating miners. However, many miners may still prefer to cheat so that pool will be completely unusable for honest miners.'
1252012;1440530382;*;asciilifeform not convinced that this works as described
1252013;1440530532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funnily, the "corner silver market" was the opposite mistake. ie, "we'll make thius a 500 bn system for no reason"
1252014;1440530551;mircea_popescu;odd how selective stupidity is. it'll only do its stupid thing where it doesn';t stand a chance, but will avoid where it'd work.
1252015;1440530953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10102 @ 0.00070449 = 7.1168 BTC [+]
1252016;1440530995;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6430 interesting
1252017;1440530997;assbot;ECDSA Signatures allow recovery of the public key ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHayNO )
1252018;1440531015;punkman;(linked from spreadcoin text)
1252019;1440531075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00070323 = 37.7986 BTC [-] {3} 
1252020;1440531287;mircea_popescu;well yes ?
1252021;1440531325;mircea_popescu;check out gavin from 2011 : "What's the extra CPU cost for recovering the public key?  Current bottleneck for bitcoin transaction processing is the CPU cost of ECDSA signature verification, not disk space or bandwidth, so saving bytes at the expense of more CPU is not the right thing to do."
1252022;1440531442;mircea_popescu;it's not like he doesn't KNOW what he's doing oir anything.
1252023;1440531541;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186264
1252024;1440531542;assbot;Improving the trustworthyness of PGP keys with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHbJNh )
1252025;1440531566;punkman;"If you are part of the PGP strong set or your PGP key is on bitcoin-otc  you now have a timestamp. Take your PGP fingerprint and convert that  into a Bitcoin address and you'll find a 1 satoshi payment to it"
1252026;1440531885;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189792.msg1968200#msg1968200
1252027;1440531887;assbot;Bitcoin Blocksize Problem Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHco1l )
1252028;1440532649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and now we know why he made no attempt to parallelize, also.
1252029;1440532741;BingoBoingo;;;later tell fluffypony You know of any working OpenBSD monero builds?
1252030;1440532741;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1252031;1440532835;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: binaries or building from source?
1252032;1440532846;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Building from source
1252033;1440532876;fluffypony;head should build if you "make release-static" and have the depsa
1252034;1440532880;fluffypony;*deps
1252035;1440532902;fluffypony;but I haven't checked the last few commits on BSD, so it's entirely possible we broke something
1252036;1440532958;BingoBoingo;Ah, I think I was missing rt
1252037;1440533041;ben_vulpes;marvel of marvels, still leaking IP.
1252038;1440533580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some of us :)
1252039;1440533699;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the hash-and-nonce approach to pow originally proposed is quite obviously hackery.
1252040;1440533712;mircea_popescu;a bitcoin purified of ec bullcrap could do some pretty splendid factorisation-based pow.
1252041;1440533732;asciilifeform;^
1252042;1440533759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256700 @ 0.00070277 = 180.4011 BTC [-] {5} 
1252043;1440533845;asciilifeform;;;isup nosuchlabs.com
1252044;1440533846;gribble;nosuchlabs.com is up
1252045;1440533933;punkman;mircea_popescu: how's the hash pow related to ec?
1252046;1440534290;mircea_popescu;in being stupid.
1252047;1440534369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28502 @ 0.00070347 = 20.0503 BTC [+]
1252048;1440534445;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, unless you have a nvidia farm you're trying to find a use for, your pow has no business being a recursive hash and shouldreally be a lot more like what phuctor's doing
1252049;1440534466;mircea_popescu;that obviously reduces to a ram farm, but at least ram is a degree of magnitude more commodised than gpus.
1252050;1440534498;mircea_popescu;in general, as it has been correctly observed and oft repeated, the simpler the gun, the worse for the state.
1252051;1440534506;asciilifeform;my only misgiving about this is if you stop and think who's been baking factoratrons for the past 20 yrs.
1252052;1440534533;asciilifeform;to them, the spoils ?
1252053;1440534565;asciilifeform;they perhaps were not quite good enough for pgp, but for this - perfect
1252054;1440534648;BingoBoingo;!up auxon
1252055;1440534796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00070164 = 72.1286 BTC [-] {5} 
1252056;1440534918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30330 @ 0.00070132 = 21.271 BTC [-]
1252057;1440535047;punkman;http://dpaste.com/1WPD2NM  some excerpts from jdillon leak and bonus links
1252058;1440535049;assbot;dpaste: 1WPD2NM ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXi5Zc )
1252059;1440535614;funkenstein_;i'm surprise nobody has an RSA coin out yet
1252060;1440535637;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: possibly for the reason i mentioned
1252061;1440535671;funkenstein_;factoratrons?
1252062;1440535688;asciilifeform;aha.
1252063;1440535844;funkenstein_;i meant address, tx signing,  DSA not POW
1252064;1440535857;asciilifeform;'too heavy'
1252065;1440535861;asciilifeform;is the usual excuse.
1252066;1440535869;asciilifeform;!s rsacoin
1252067;1440535870;assbot;0 results for 'rsacoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsacoin
1252068;1440535873;asciilifeform;hm
1252069;1440535912;asciilifeform;quite sure that we discussed it.
1252070;1440536004;funkenstein_;sounds familiar
1252071;1440536030;funkenstein_;signature verification is more intensive than modinv stuff with ecdsa?
1252072;1440536054;funkenstein_;it seems thats the bottleneck
1252073;1440536055;asciilifeform;that wasn't the concern
1252074;1440536078;funkenstein_;pubkeys are big i guess
1252075;1440536083;asciilifeform;relatively.
1252076;1440536105;funkenstein_;addresses are hashes, that's not a problem
1252077;1440536201;mircea_popescu;!up auxon
1252078;1440536204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah
1252079;1440536223;mircea_popescu;it is heavy.
1252080;1440536251;funkenstein_;it's also hard to make good rsa privkeys with dice
1252081;1440536281;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: also hard with stone axe, mammoth teeth, bear skin.
1252082;1440536322;funkenstein_;lol
1252083;1440537419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71803 @ 0.00070097 = 50.3317 BTC [-] {4} 
1252084;1440537598;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1252085;1440537599;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.11, Best ask: 224.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 224.42, 24 hour volume: 75242.0072563, 24 hour low: 196.6, 24 hour high: 228.77, 24 hour vwap: None
1252086;1440537602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69941 @ 0.00069936 = 48.9139 BTC [-] {6} 
1252087;1440538001;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/world/europe/migrants-push-toward-hungary-as-a-border-fence-rises.html?_r=0
1252088;1440538004;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLcwrt )
1252089;1440538088;punkman;from Syria, to Kos and Lesvos, to the promised land of Germany and Sweden
1252090;1440538164;asciilifeform;n0rd1c syst3m!!
1252091;1440538226;punkman;http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/15/investing/bank-of-america-branches-layoffs/
1252092;1440538227;assbot;Hundreds of Bank of America branches are disappearing - Jul. 15, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLcZty )
1252093;1440538255;punkman;http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/24/investing/stocks-markets-selloff-circuit-breakers-1200-times/index.html
1252094;1440538256;assbot;Trading was halted 1,200 times Monday - Aug. 24, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLd6Fv )
1252095;1440538308;asciilifeform;punkman: see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193376
1252096;1440538308;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
1252097;1440538371;asciilifeform;http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/21/technology/ashley-madison-users-extorted/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer&iid=obnetwork << l0l, from same fishwrap
1252098;1440538373;assbot;Ashley Madison users now facing extortion - Aug. 21, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLdjII )
1252099;1440538403;asciilifeform;http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/19/news/niagara-painting-sale-blocked-uk/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer&iid=obnetwork << and re: the art thing
1252100;1440538404;assbot;Buyer pays over $200,000 for painting, but can't take it home - Aug. 19, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLdnID )
1252101;1440538414;*;trinque cranks the R.E.M., kicks back
1252102;1440538416;asciilifeform;'The government hopes that by blocking the painting from export there will be time for a new, serious buyer to come forward.'
1252103;1440538424;asciilifeform;soviet win.
1252104;1440538450;mod6;asciilifeform: I see you attached the sigs for the vpatch files, and included the tarballs in your orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) email.  I think it'd like to attach the raw .vpatch files as well as the .sigs for completeness.  Anything against this other than it's a bit redundant since you already posted the tarballs of the .vpatches?
1252105;1440538464;mod6;s/it'd/i'd/
1252106;1440538480;asciilifeform;mod6: redundant, imho
1252107;1440538498;asciilifeform;mod6: once 'v' is live, it can be retrofitted to the turdatron directly
1252108;1440538500;mod6;alright, i'll leave them off, and maybe just leave a linkback in the body to your message.
1252109;1440538519;mod6;that way a person can find the tarballs, etc.
1252110;1440538756;mircea_popescu;punkman  fascinatingly, it's china's fault!
1252111;1440538831;mircea_popescu;lol @the uk.
1252112;1440538849;mircea_popescu;maybe the guy should rape some teenagers ? apparently it's how you get shit done in the queen's realms.
1252113;1440538866;asciilifeform;neh that's reserved for authorized race-replacerz
1252114;1440538886;mircea_popescu;honestly if it was mine i'd burn it.
1252115;1440538894;mircea_popescu;send the "minister of culture" the ash.
1252116;1440538920;asciilifeform;for bonus points, buy that little stove in ro they used earlier
1252117;1440538926;asciilifeform;to burn it in
1252118;1440538929;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1252119;1440538940;mircea_popescu;tho ro govt would perhaps forbid its export :D
1252120;1440538946;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1252121;1440538968;asciilifeform;wonder what the ashes are worth
1252122;1440538976;asciilifeform;betcha they're at least mildly authenticable.
1252123;1440538976;mircea_popescu;same as the painting, really.
1252124;1440538987;mircea_popescu;"helps you better understand the role of mp in shaping the 21st century"
1252125;1440539004;asciilifeform;!b 4
1252126;1440539005;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17D9G5M.txt )
1252127;1440539073;mod6;oh i just realized something.
1252128;1440539109;mod6;these sigs that you posted won't verify out-of-the box, not that i've tried.  but the detached sig must match the file name with the exception of the trailing .sig on the end.
1252129;1440539117;asciilifeform;mod6: nope.
1252130;1440539124;asciilifeform;mod6: give gpg both args
1252131;1440539131;mod6;so if we do <patchname>.<wotGuy>.sig then will fail
1252132;1440539134;asciilifeform;mod6: first payload, then sig
1252133;1440539141;mod6;oh aight, lemme see here...
1252134;1440539162;asciilifeform;(this is also done from inside 'v'. but, importantly, it also works - must work - manually.)
1252135;1440539308;mod6;ok, yah, works.  just needed to do `gpg --verify <sigfile> <origfile>`
1252136;1440539336;asciilifeform;aha i got it backwards
1252137;1440539338;asciilifeform;but yes, works
1252138;1440539371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00069836 = 53.8086 BTC [-]
1252139;1440539480;mod6;I'm about to try to fry up some of these cheese & potato pierogies .. any tips ? just fry 'em until golden brown ?
1252140;1440539615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00069805 = 25.1298 BTC [-]
1252141;1440539624;mod6;alright, i'll just wing-it
1252142;1440540225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29773 @ 0.00069804 = 20.7827 BTC [-] {2} 
1252143;1440540286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00069781 = 2.531 BTC [-]
1252144;1440540485;phf;mod6: you want to cook them in water for a bit first, and then fry them once they are cooked
1252145;1440540576;mats;wat
1252146;1440540606;mats;is it common to do that?
1252147;1440540747;phf;i thought that's a standard way of cooking pierogies on account of thicker dough, you want to stuff inside to get fully cooked
1252148;1440540762;phf;as opposed to say, dumplings
1252149;1440540910;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/636258874606133248 >> We are experiencing data corruption issues and will be offline until corrected. Sorry for the inconvenience.
1252150;1440540910;mats;ive tried that before and it ruined them
1252151;1440540923;asciilifeform;lol shitfinex
1252152;1440540954;phf;mats: you probably overcooked them so they started falling apart
1252153;1440541060;mircea_popescu;mats you need one of those wire whisks. get the water to boiling, lower them into the water, give them ~90 seconds. take out, let them drip fully, then deepfry.
1252154;1440541062;mircea_popescu;in hot oil.
1252155;1440541079;mircea_popescu;(dry-deepfry is so fucking retarded i have nfi why anyone even does it tbh)
1252156;1440541096;mats;hm, ok
1252157;1440541122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta say something to salvage the pretense.
1252158;1440541138;mircea_popescu;broomstick fires first, speaks after, it's a land of magical puffery over there.
1252159;1440541173;mircea_popescu;and i guarantee you they'll continue to have all the "market share" they had before : 0 actual users, a few confused people with their quarter btc and otherwise, the whole might and noise of the usg.
1252160;1440541313;phf;or mp way, which is a lot more deliberate then mine, because i only ever fry leftover dumplings that were previously cooked. in any case you want the insides to get cooked too, so if you're deep frying them straight you want to cook insides first, then wrap in own dough, then fry the result
1252161;1440541593;mircea_popescu;now i want blinyi
1252162;1440541688;Adlai;http://dpaste.com/0AKD3VC
1252163;1440541689;assbot;dpaste: 0AKD3VC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLkh0D )
1252164;1440541709;Adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0AKD3VC.txt
1252165;1440541710;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLkjph )
1252166;1440541710;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1252167;1440541786;*;Adlai assures the concerned members of the audience that this is not from shitfinex... anybody who's written exchange APIs will probably recognize this
1252168;1440541896;punkman;Adlai: what's that
1252169;1440541988;Adlai;if you had to ask, someday you'll know
1252170;1440542052;mircea_popescu;how to bother people, entry #985468546 : pronounce adult as "a dolt". insist.
1252171;1440542091;mod6;i got these ones from a lady from .ua at the farmers makert.  instructions on the top said "don't cook in water", don't cook if frozen.  so I let 'em thaw overnight.  then just put 'em in a pan with a bit of cooking oil.  simmered 'em until golden.  tasted great to me!
1252172;1440542115;mod6;but maybe im pierogie heathen
1252173;1440542177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00070235 = 16.5755 BTC [+]
1252174;1440542364;punkman;I wonder, do they sell bottles of "cooking oil" in US supermarkets? (where you have to read the fine print to figure out what it's made of)
1252175;1440542625;mod6;i can go look. this is 'vegetable oil'
1252176;1440542682;mod6;Ingrediant: SOYBEAN OIL
1252177;1440543160;mircea_popescu;iirc it was mostly rapeseed
1252178;1440543165;mircea_popescu;(yes it's an actual plant)
1252179;1440543247;Adlai;entry #985468547 : abbreviate 'grownups' as 'groans'
1252180;1440543310;mod6;heh 'rapeseed'
1252181;1440543362;mod6;ahh yah, canola, saw fields upon fields of this driving through manatoba
1252182;1440543439;shinohai;rapeseed is used as a filler in cheap peanut butter in us groceries
1252183;1440543583;mod6;"food"
1252184;1440543584;punkman;protip: if your peanut butter doesn't develop a layer of oil at the top, it probably has hydrogenated vegetable oil in it
1252185;1440543605;punkman;same with tahini
1252186;1440543610;shinohai;smuckers makes yummy natural pb
1252187;1440543692;mod6;but it also makes this abortion: http://www.smuckers.com/products/peanut-butter/goober-pb-j/goober-grape-38
1252188;1440543693;assbot;Goober Grape PB & J - Peanut Butter - Smucker's ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLpDsw )
1252189;1440543754;punkman;not that hard to make at home
1252190;1440543761;mod6;everytime i see that stuff on the shelf, i think, "this shit is a metephor for the whole goddamn thing."
1252191;1440543972;shinohai;girls go fer goober grape
1252192;1440544219;mod6;heheh
1252193;1440544895;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html
1252194;1440544896;assbot;[BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLszWf )
1252195;1440545105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00069781 = 3.838 BTC [-] {2} 
1252196;1440546244;mats;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEB0aYjVIAI88Wx.jpg genius
1252197;1440546244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLviig )
1252198;1440546447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00069781 = 17.0963 BTC [-]
1252199;1440546813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49740 @ 0.00070235 = 34.9349 BTC [+]
1252200;1440546951;*;Adlai seconds http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-05-2015#1144802 until, byte-for-byte, human commentary outweighs assbot spammentary
1252201;1440546951;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 19:24:43; ascii_modem: pure noise imho
1252202;1440546964;Adlai;this is merely a matter of dynamic minimum-announced-trade-size
1252203;1440547056;Adlai;anybody who really cares that much should be in -trades or have their own feed
1252204;1440547208;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144946
1252205;1440547208;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144802 << apparently this is not obvious, but the principal reason i'm here is that convenient packaging of mpex tickers.
1252206;1440547871;BingoBoingo;!up sueastside
1252207;1440548553;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/25/1e1a509a242738a88c28abc6d300165a.jpg
1252208;1440548556;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxgMhY )
1252209;1440548749;BingoBoingo;A toddler was shot and killed today, but this is the local news http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/tension-escalates-in-a-st-charles-county-subdivision-after-a/article_f4803317-4ee7-5b4c-807f-4c9d9472d15b.html
1252210;1440548750;assbot;Tension escalates in a St. Charles County subdivision after a new neighbor moves in : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pxh34h )
1252211;1440548792;BingoBoingo;�This is a mess,� said Jana Chamblee, who lives with her husband, Don, and their three children. �This is the biggest mess I�ve had in my life.� ... Chamblee and others on the block point to a house behind them, where Maritha Hunter-Butler has lived since May 9. She moved in with her three sons, a female partner and their four dogs. The neighbors say the dogs bark at all hours of the night, visitors constantly come and g
1252212;1440548792;BingoBoingo;o and Hunter-Butler has made threatening remarks.
1252213;1440549291;trinque;BingoBoingo: sounds a bit like this news I'm reading of the "market rally" "disintegrating".
1252214;1440549301;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/25/us-markets-stocks-usa-idUSKCN0QU13F20150825
1252215;1440549301;assbot;Wall Street's rally goes up in smoke, indexes end lower| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLQYzp )
1252216;1440549311;trinque;it's definitely not a crash.
1252217;1440549348;trinque;and that toddler wasn't killed.
1252218;1440549374;trinque;because we can just declare things... and what's reality anyway?
1252219;1440549386;BingoBoingo;You have to hit something for it to be a crash. If your car goes off the road and sink into the mud, but it stopped because of mud and not impact it wasn't a crash.
1252220;1440549401;trinque;heh, I'll grant that
1252221;1440549453;BingoBoingo;All of that QE was mud.
1252222;1440549655;trinque;heh, the QE was a mudslide that lifted the car up, carried it along in the same direction for a bit
1252223;1440549673;trinque;could toss it in a ditch, could engulf it and continue on, who knows!
1252224;1440549763;BingoBoingo;I like to think of QE as the bog the car was driven into because OMG a skunk. To avoid the pain of a honest crash the doors became embeded too deep to allow exit from the vehicle
1252225;1440549802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00070293 = 17.0109 BTC [+] {3} 
1252226;1440552181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36276 @ 0.00069767 = 25.3087 BTC [-] {3} 
1252227;1440552791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15274 @ 0.00069723 = 10.6495 BTC [-]
1252228;1440552879;scoopButt;http://qntra.net/2015/08/british-cultural-capital-controls-interfere-with-commerce/
1252229;1440552880;assbot;British 'Cultural' Capital Controls Interfere With Commerce | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFbtmc )
1252230;1440553957;mats;i climbed out of a sun roof after a wreck once
1252231;1440554044;mats;the driver hadn't turned off the dance music yet and it felt like i was in a B rated movie
1252232;1440554089;mats;he was high and literally said, "i'm not going to crash the car, man" five seconds before he went off the road
1252233;1440554097;trinque;heh
1252234;1440554108;trinque;"I'm go...I'm good man"
1252235;1440554117;trinque;never a clearer sign the guy isn't
1252236;1440554260;Adlai;nah, actually leaving the lane is clearer
1252237;1440554283;Adlai;and unfortunately (from the perspective of "fail earlier oftener louder faster stronger") usually just results in returning to the lane
1252238;1440554551;*;BingoBoingo prefers those nice well paved country roads that don't have marked "lanes" (because why mark up the tarmac when tractors obliviate much things?)
1252239;1440554842;thestringpuller;;;seen smickles
1252240;1440554842;gribble;smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
1252241;1440554847;thestringpuller;:(
1252242;1440554921;BingoBoingo;!gettrust smickles
1252243;1440554922;assbot;Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user smickles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=smickles | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/smickles/
1252244;1440555572;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1252245;1440555578;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 225.18, vol: 37690.07736915 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 223.279, vol: 15466.33828 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 225.52, vol: 49475.33784738 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 227.6, vol: 0.19 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 224.063199, vol: 49788.19410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 224.49439, vol: 322.23035795 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.436, vol: 208.98435776 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1252246;1440555580;BingoBoingo;;;more
1252247;1440555580;gribble;224.759084069
1252248;1440555785;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252205 << l0l, i always imagined mircea_popescu had a wooden panel full of analogue gauges for mpex, a ship's telegraph for changing course, and a speaking horn for dictating more complex orders
1252249;1440555785;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 00:00:08; assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144802 << apparently this is not obvious, but the principal reason i'm here is that convenient packaging of mpex tickers.
1252250;1440556188;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ... << l0l, i always imagined mircea_popescu had a wooden panel full of analogue gauges for mpex, a ship's telegraph for changing course, and a speaking horn for dictating more complex orders << I imagine at times even the ships captain wants to step away from the bridge for a bit of sodomy without being completely cut off
1252251;1440556207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.0007032 = 20.9905 BTC [+] {3} 
1252252;1440556222;asciilifeform;sooo i was out walking by the uni, and found a thumb drive
1252253;1440556230;*;BingoBoingo was surptised when joining #bitcoin-asset-trades just how much stuf didn't make the cut for arriving here
1252254;1440556241;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Interesting trap in thumbdrive?
1252255;1440556242;asciilifeform;full of 'business school' homework from unpronounceably-named chinese exchange students
1252256;1440556247;BingoBoingo;lol
1252257;1440556255;asciilifeform;they were assigned 'digital currencies'
1252258;1440556283;asciilifeform;and the required reading dir is full of 'whitepapers' concerning 1990s-style centralized shitpal-esque 'coins'
1252259;1440556307;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i'ma let you finished but what level of hotness are the sorority girls at said uni?
1252260;1440556321;asciilifeform;some chick cries now for lacking her powerpointz
1252261;1440556333;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: all levels
1252262;1440556350;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: but very commonly they (at least the native ones) have 'agricultural face'
1252263;1440556354;asciilifeform;or whatever it is called here
1252264;1440556360;mod6;haha
1252265;1440556363;thestringpuller;diversity at its finest.
1252266;1440556371;thestringpuller;mod6 def knows the type.
1252267;1440556394;asciilifeform;it's not even an ethnicity, but more of a state of mind
1252268;1440557183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54639 @ 0.0007004 = 38.2692 BTC [-] {5} 
1252269;1440557468;gernika;BingoBoingo: something's wrong with this sentence I think: "Vaizey instead want to part the buyer and his purchase to part in a sale as has happened previously when 'cultural' export bans have been applied to artifacts."
1252270;1440557543;BingoBoingo;gernika: thanks, fixed
1252271;1440557793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3956 @ 0.00070347 = 2.7829 BTC [+]
1252272;1440557804;BingoBoingo;http://s17.postimg.org/pz3aowt7z/11705365_1460274277632496_7058363122198226781_n.jpg
1252273;1440557805;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lzwtar )
1252274;1440557878;Adlai;Logged on 26-08-2015 02:57:57; Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252204 << apparently this is not obvious, but the principle reason i'm here is that convenient nucleation in the superheated fluid of trollcoin
1252275;1440557878;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 00:00:08; mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144946
1252276;1440557930;Adlai;fuck
1252277;1440557932;Adlai;!down Adlai
1252278;1440557945;trinque;^lol
1252279;1440558403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00070609 = 9.2145 BTC [+] {3} 
1252280;1440558535;BingoBoingo;Ah and here's assbot feed's best part. Keeps the conversation going.
1252281;1440559013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00070367 = 4.4331 BTC [-]
1252282;1440559135;*;BingoBoingo remembers MPOE under 2 not that long ago
1252283;1440559145;BingoBoingo;Or was it 3
1252284;1440559223;mod6;low was 0.00014430 on mar. 23rd according to btcalpha
1252285;1440559318;BingoBoingo;ah
1252286;1440559623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.0007064 = 6.2163 BTC [+]
1252287;1440562185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21938 @ 0.0007065 = 15.4992 BTC [+] {3} 
1252288;1440562795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8228 @ 0.00070367 = 5.7898 BTC [-]
1252289;1440563974;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1252200 << remind me briefly what exactly is is that makes you think you belong here.
1252290;1440563974;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 23:55:51; *: Adlai seconds http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-05-2015#1144802 until, byte-for-byte, human commentary outweighs assbot spammentary
1252291;1440563998;mircea_popescu;i get it, you leech and wish to complain about how the content you leech is packaged. this makes sense in your alt-universe ?
1252292;1440564018;mircea_popescu;fucking "votes", like that's how it works now.
1252293;1440564207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252207 << why does the woman get a bra! same boobs...
1252294;1440564207;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 00:22:33; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/25/1e1a509a242738a88c28abc6d300165a.jpg
1252295;1440564279;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The pretense. As the Obeast loses distinctive sex characteristics it overcompensates in adopting cultural signifiers.
1252296;1440565950;mircea_popescu;now that's a point
1252297;1440566364;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252213 << indeed huh.
1252298;1440566364;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 00:34:51; trinque: BingoBoingo: sounds a bit like this news I'm reading of the "market rally" "disintegrating".
1252299;1440566385;mircea_popescu;so why'd they shoot the toddler BingoBoingo ? was it the "officer felt his life endangered" or was it "toddler didn't obey comamnds"
1252300;1440566415;mircea_popescu;heck, give fathers back the power to shoot toddlers that don't obey commands, see the "demographics problems" end overnight.
1252301;1440566440;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252289 << the lulzy part is that, iirc, the man writes tradebots himself!
1252302;1440566440;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 04:39:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1252200 << remind me briefly what exactly is is that makes you think you belong here.
1252303;1440566475;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252300 >>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509010
1252304;1440566475;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 05:20:15; mircea_popescu: heck, give fathers back the power to shoot toddlers that don't obey commands, see the "demographics problems" end overnight.
1252305;1440566475;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2014 22:04:18; asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'
1252306;1440566502;mircea_popescu;which is fine, whosoever can do whatever the fuck they do, but this voting braindamage...
1252307;1440566504;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1252308;1440566510;asciilifeform;wai wut?!
1252309;1440566512;asciilifeform;vote?
1252310;1440566555;mircea_popescu;in other news, this building is easily 200 years old, the pipes are certainly solid steel, and they got the curse
1252311;1440566572;mircea_popescu;(for they unfamiliar : old pipes in old buildings have, like any other rigid formation, resonancy frequencies.
1252312;1440566583;asciilifeform;waterhammer, they call it here.
1252313;1440566602;mircea_popescu;and one unlucky repair, even one just-such-weight faucet can make the whole thing an organ)
1252314;1440566603;mircea_popescu;aha
1252315;1440566606;asciilifeform;in usa this is pestilential in old flats and there is a - partial - fix
1252316;1440566612;asciilifeform;you can get dampeners.
1252317;1440566636;asciilifeform;(piston of known tension in a cylindrical vessel, attaches to a pipehead)
1252318;1440566650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, this isn';t that. you turn on the water, and five minutes later the whole thing bellows. no banging.
1252319;1440566652;asciilifeform;who said plumbers don't need to stay awake in diff. eq. !
1252320;1440566657;mircea_popescu;and it goes on after you turn it off, for like 5 minutes
1252321;1440566676;mircea_popescu;it actually ends up resonant
1252322;1440566697;asciilifeform;water, rather than air hammer. not 100% laminar flow!
1252323;1440566701;asciilifeform;neato.
1252324;1440566703;mircea_popescu;aha.
1252325;1440566708;*;asciilifeform has vague memories of this as a boy
1252326;1440566766;mircea_popescu;it's about, if i had to guess, 20khz. and prolly was there before but w/e, 8khz or somerthing
1252327;1440566866;asciilifeform;if this were my flat i'd hook up antiphase speaker to the pipe
1252328;1440566872;asciilifeform;For Science.
1252329;1440566987;mircea_popescu;lol i don't give that much of a shit. but i also wouldn't want to own.
1252330;1440567008;mircea_popescu;the many loltraps of real estate ownership, or why you can't really own "as an individual"
1252331;1440567034;asciilifeform;or as with the toddler example,
1252332;1440567044;asciilifeform;don't own anything you couldn't or wouldn't demolish and rebuild correctly.
1252333;1440567071;asciilifeform;(questionable whether word 'own' is even applicable)
1252334;1440567086;mircea_popescu;aha
1252335;1440567097;mircea_popescu;deedbot- feeds
1252336;1440567107;mircea_popescu;hm. how did that thing work
1252337;1440567123;asciilifeform;i rent my bldg. and wouldn't like to have it any other way. unless were so loaded that i could throw it away like a toothbrush if it gets tiresome.
1252338;1440567155;mircea_popescu;owning real estate is its own economic enterprise.
1252339;1440567165;asciilifeform;do it if +ev !
1252340;1440567170;asciilifeform;otherwise why.
1252341;1440567177;mircea_popescu;and hiding the cost of real estate from yourself (i don't rent, i own!) is just bad business
1252342;1440567193;mircea_popescu;"oh, i couldnb't afford to live here if i had to rent"
1252343;1440567195;mircea_popescu;well then guess what ?
1252344;1440567198;asciilifeform;hiding from self is generally bad mojo.
1252345;1440567279;*;asciilifeform just got back from the house of a phriend who, i shit thee not, filled two notebooks with one derivation, pen and paper, because ~none of the computeralgebrasystems he could find were able to swallow it~
1252346;1440567287;asciilifeform;without upchucking
1252347;1440567298;asciilifeform;srsly the whole computer thing never quite happened.
1252348;1440567309;mircea_popescu;!up Casper-
1252349;1440567345;mircea_popescu;nah im not surprised. derivation notation is fucking pn
1252350;1440567357;*;mircea_popescu lived with the exact same problem, even in the old days of derive.exe
1252351;1440567363;asciilifeform;derive.exe !!!
1252352;1440567370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00070367 = 9.9569 BTC [-]
1252353;1440567371;asciilifeform;i just set it up on my hp200lx a few days ago.
1252354;1440567376;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1252355;1440567376;asciilifeform;glorious, it is.
1252356;1440567381;mircea_popescu;a sort of its very own ida.
1252357;1440567384;mircea_popescu;but EVEN IT!
1252358;1440567386;asciilifeform;didja know that it is in mulisp !
1252359;1440567389;mircea_popescu;yes.
1252360;1440567404;asciilifeform;and ported to the 'texas instruments 89' calculator ?
1252361;1440567409;asciilifeform;(runs silently, internally)
1252362;1440567410;mircea_popescu;that i never gas'd about.
1252363;1440567417;asciilifeform;little pocket calculator.
1252364;1440567423;asciilifeform;(m68k cpu)
1252365;1440567431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33045 @ 0.00070198 = 23.1969 BTC [-] {3} 
1252366;1440567438;mircea_popescu;anyway. the notion that you can get a computer to "do your derivation" is exactly like the notion that you can get a computer to "do your thing"
1252367;1440567439;mircea_popescu;sure.
1252368;1440567451;mircea_popescu;in... principle.
1252369;1440567454;asciilifeform;should at least cooperate, as excavator in digging a pit
1252370;1440567458;asciilifeform;ought to beat shovel
1252371;1440567465;mircea_popescu;if you're willing to set it up.
1252372;1440567469;asciilifeform;naturally.
1252373;1440567585;asciilifeform;back to 'derive' - there are so, so few proggies that are so ~pants-creamingly~ good at what they do,
1252374;1440567592;asciilifeform;that one remembers fondly, a decade or two later.
1252375;1440567606;mircea_popescu;it actually was so good the baby brother of a friend mostly wanted to "play derive" when he visited.
1252376;1440567617;asciilifeform;i still 'play derive.'
1252377;1440567624;asciilifeform;because i, elementarily, motherfuckingly, ~can~
1252378;1440567634;*;mircea_popescu is grinning by himself like an idiot lol.
1252379;1440567670;mircea_popescu;but yeah, i was explaining to the 5yo plane composition and shit.
1252380;1440567677;mircea_popescu;he made a bunch of 3d sines he did.
1252381;1440567736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00070716 = 5.728 BTC [+]
1252382;1440567746;mircea_popescu;anyway. at least in romania's 90s, the life of a young theoretical physicist was ~90% derive and the rest chicken scribblings of the kind you mention.
1252383;1440567763;mircea_popescu;"what language is this ?!"
1252384;1440567764;mircea_popescu;"math"
1252385;1440567806;asciilifeform;>>> loper-os.org/pub/derive.zip <<< l337 w4r3z !!!
1252386;1440567812;mircea_popescu;unsigned i take it.
1252387;1440567876;asciilifeform;loper-os.org/pub/derive.zip.sig
1252388;1440567892;asciilifeform;just for mircea_popescu.
1252389;1440567899;mircea_popescu;no but see what i mean ?
1252390;1440567908;mircea_popescu;pre bitcoin nobody had any fucking idea what computing even is supposed to be.
1252391;1440567948;mircea_popescu;loper-os.org/pub goes to loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/ if you care.
1252392;1440567954;asciilifeform;prefix www
1252393;1440567972;asciilifeform;but what matter. it ought to resolve, and leech
1252394;1440567995;asciilifeform;this copy is circa 1990 iirc.
1252395;1440568004;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/pub
1252396;1440568005;assbot;403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZvox )
1252397;1440568025;asciilifeform;this ain't simtel
1252398;1440568029;asciilifeform;not indexed.
1252399;1440568044;asciilifeform;!s http://www.loper-os.org/pub
1252400;1440568046;assbot;403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZvox )
1252401;1440568047;assbot;78 results for 'http://www.loper-os.org/pub' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.loper-os.org%2Fpub
1252402;1440568052;asciilifeform;^ most of'em
1252403;1440568069;mircea_popescu;aok
1252404;1440568128;mircea_popescu;"a buyer who paid 146,500 pounds formerly known as sterling"
1252405;1440568129;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1252406;1440568154;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo was this because "no longer silver" or because "no longer a consideration", as in "sterling promise" ?
1252407;1440568155;Casper-;Hey, i've read some of your stuff (qntra, contravex, dilema). is there a list of guys who's opinion you respect?  e.g. more blogs/twitter
1252408;1440568168;asciilifeform;dilema ?!
1252409;1440568179;mircea_popescu;Casper- http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/ 2nd chunk.
1252410;1440568182;assbot;mircea_popescu WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZEIt )
1252411;1440568182;Casper-;trilema, haha
1252412;1440568198;mircea_popescu;also i rarely write on qntra and pete_dushenski does contravex
1252413;1440568215;mircea_popescu;tho i suspect he might well be flattered.
1252414;1440568215;Casper-;e.g.  do u like Eric Vorhees?
1252415;1440568235;mircea_popescu;got a specific text in mind ?
1252416;1440568311;Casper-;no, nothing specific, i'm just trying to figure out who like to read that's all,  i've liked Eric
1252417;1440568392;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/#comment-45453 << incidentally the man is right. social media (perhaps pioneered by twitter, when they were trying to get google to spread the fake money by paying for access) have been using something very much akin to the "unheard of" trilema paid content scheme.
1252418;1440568393;assbot;Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politicians' Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZMrB )
1252419;1440568413;mircea_popescu;except you get a few thousand meaningless pages per day or something. but those are mere parameters. the idea is the same.
1252420;1440568427;asciilifeform;botnet folks gotta eat somehow!
1252421;1440568439;asciilifeform;not that many practical applications for maxint ip
1252422;1440568471;mircea_popescu;ironically this isn't either. who gives a shit what derps say on twitter.
1252423;1440568496;mircea_popescu;this is the deep dark secret they don't want to face. the "effaceable" trend on social media is just that - another expression of the fundamental truth that social media does not matter.
1252424;1440568529;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252258 << clearly community college's keeping up with the times.
1252425;1440568529;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 02:31:23; asciilifeform: and the required reading dir is full of 'whitepapers' concerning 1990s-style centralized shitpal-esque 'coins'
1252426;1440568585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for reference, this is the same mega-citadeloflearning where elaine shi and andrew miller ply their trade
1252427;1440568596;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1252428;1440568599;asciilifeform;clitadel.
1252429;1440568600;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/3c67ec86122253f5d2eb70757b91d789/tumblr_noymgqryMl1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg << pic related.
1252430;1440568601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZWiu )
1252431;1440568613;mircea_popescu;because you'd have to be pretty high to imagine THAT is how eating cunt works.
1252432;1440568650;Casper-;this is Eric's blog, btw.  http://moneyandstate.com/bitcoin-separation-money-state/
1252433;1440568653;assbot;Bitcoin and the Separation of Money and State - Money and State ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZYqI )
1252434;1440568653;mircea_popescu;"what, with the relevant bits safely pushed away, the pudendal shield pressing against the nose. LOGIC!"
1252435;1440568714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21516 @ 0.00070633 = 15.1974 BTC [-] {2} 
1252436;1440568743;asciilifeform;srsly, that thumbdrive shit blew me away, it's like you were walking in a medical school campus and found a disk full of guides to bloodletting
1252437;1440568765;asciilifeform;dated in the past year
1252438;1440568793;mircea_popescu;pushing the point a little, neh ? i mean what, even the first basic qualification thing for bitcoin is not a week old.
1252439;1440568797;mircea_popescu;teh ppl dunno yet!
1252440;1440568835;asciilifeform;understand, these weren't even scamcoinz
1252441;1440568836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00070964 = 66.9191 BTC [+] {5} 
1252442;1440568840;asciilifeform;but central-ledger thingies
1252443;1440568859;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1252444;1440568870;mircea_popescu;tell you what, plenty of guides on bloodletting in 1795
1252445;1440569083;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252284 << sad times huh.
1252446;1440569083;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 03:20:23; mod6: low was 0.00014430 on mar. 23rd according to btcalpha
1252447;1440569928;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron hey, how do you feed your twitter ? is it by hand or some sort of remarkably clever script ?
1252448;1440570195;mircea_popescu;and also, http://40.media.tumblr.com/681160776ca56b2ea25a8156ef74034c/tumblr_np27s7HJI81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg
1252449;1440570196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxCXEh )
1252450;1440571129;mircea_popescu;cazalla_ https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << you got any fucking idea why the sudden change in baseline ?
1252451;1440571130;assbot;Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxDGW6 )
1252452;1440571147;mircea_popescu;are these dudes just lying / making up random numbers / multipliers or wtf.
1252453;1440572009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.0007136 = 25.975 BTC [+] {4} 
1252454;1440573228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00071022 = 7.3863 BTC [-]
1252455;1440573594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00071022 = 9.588 BTC [-]
1252456;1440574364;mircea_popescu;in the ever-amusing tor saga, http://pastebin.ca/3129249
1252457;1440574365;assbot;pastebin - Miscellany - post number 3129249 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K04654 )
1252458;1440574497;mircea_popescu;"Support is building for changing part of bitcoin's design, after two high-profile developers introduced an alternate version of the virtual currency aimed at speeding up transactions and future-proofing the digital money.
1252459;1440574497;mircea_popescu;Some of bitcoin's biggest backers, including BitPay, Blockchain.info, Circle and KnCMiner.com, wrote a letter this week in support of the existing version of bitcoin�but only if it adopts some of the central ideas proposed by the renegade developers, Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn."
1252460;1440574541;mircea_popescu;^ Olga Kharif logic.
1252461;1440575113;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ << for the "nobody could havew predicted" pile.
1252462;1440575114;assbot;The politics of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K07c9f )
1252463;1440576357;cazalla;mircea_popescu, qntra been discussed a bit on twitter lately thanks to BingoBoingo's articles
1252464;1440576378;mircea_popescu;ah
1252465;1440576400;cazalla;and fuck millennials and their inability to look before they merge lanes, last thing i fkn needed was a car smash
1252466;1440576414;mircea_popescu;o.O
1252467;1440576494;cazalla;her insurance will cover it but still, they don't cover my time
1252468;1440576625;cazalla;mircea_popescu,  https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=qntra.net&src=typd ya might have to scroll for the jon matonis and peter todd qntra mentions
1252469;1440576628;assbot;qntra.net - Recherche sur Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0e9qT )
1252470;1440577132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0007129 = 1.7823 BTC [-]
1252471;1440577701;punkman;mircea_popescu: and also, http://40.media.tumblr.com/681160776ca56b2ea25a8156ef74034c/tumblr_np27s7HJI81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg << https://cumshoteditor.com/product/cumshot-editor-pro
1252472;1440577702;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxCXEh )
1252473;1440577706;assbot;Cumshot Editor Pro - Cumshoteditor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMsTDX )
1252474;1440577760;cazalla;punkman, what's a bet it is used predominantly with pics sourced from facebook friends
1252475;1440577769;mircea_popescu;lolright
1252476;1440577772;punkman;cazalla: even says so in copy
1252477;1440577783;punkman;"Let me tell you – this 37 bucks editor has literally saved me more than  5.000 bucks in my estimates, by just satisfying my needs without the  strong need to pamper the next gold digging whore."
1252478;1440577834;mircea_popescu;...
1252479;1440577872;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is into sex for the ... what, the view of after-sex outside ejaculation ?!
1252480;1440578094;mircea_popescu;i wonder if there actually exists the weirdo out there who spends 9 month intervals on "projects" which consist of amassing pics of random neighbour, then photoshopping wild orgy, then photoshopping her fictitious pregnancy resulting from there, then photoshopping her delivery and so on.
1252481;1440578235;cazalla;sounds like you've given that much thought
1252482;1440578287;cazalla;punkman, lol @ the testimonials "Dude.. this is.. this is� fucking awesome. lol I have never thought I�d actually pay money for software but I couldn�t resist cumming on all my facebook friends pics.. Works like a charm and is actually the best masturbation material ~_~"
1252483;1440578299;cazalla;anyway, that sorta thing is a popular request thread on 4chan from time to time
1252484;1440578737;mircea_popescu;Casper-
1252485;1440578746;mircea_popescu;cazalla actually it's the first time it occured to me
1252486;1440579938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3991 @ 0.00071556 = 2.8558 BTC [+]
1252487;1440580060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5785 @ 0.00071583 = 4.1411 BTC [+] {2} 
1252488;1440580854;shinohai;I shall forever keep this in pr0n bots memory: https://vid.me/QlD7
1252489;1440580855;assbot;Video upload (QlD7) - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1i18Meo )
1252490;1440581524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00071908 = 2.1932 BTC [+]
1252491;1440582356;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252211 <<< easier to just kill the dogs than plead and beg someone to do something about their barking dog at 3am
1252492;1440582356;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 00:26:32; BingoBoingo: �This is a mess,� said Jana Chamblee, who lives with her husband, Don, and their three children. �This is the biggest mess I�ve had in my life.� ... Chamblee and others on the block point to a house behind them, where Maritha Hunter-Butler has lived since May 9. She moved in with her three sons, a female partner and their four dogs. The neighbors say the dogs bark at all hours of the night, visitors con
1252493;1440582588;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252232 <<< lol maybe related to the ditz that merged into me today
1252494;1440582588;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 01:54:49; mats: he was high and literally said, "i'm not going to crash the car, man" five seconds before he went off the road
1252495;1440582866;punkman;https://planetbell.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/image33.jpg
1252496;1440582868;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTS3DX )
1252497;1440582988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00071908 = 1.2224 BTC [+]
1252498;1440583110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00071908 = 2.0853 BTC [+]
1252499;1440584635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00071908 = 1.5101 BTC [+]
1252500;1440585306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00071908 = 1.4382 BTC [+]
1252501;1440586221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0007129 = 3.6358 BTC [-]
1252502;1440586710;punkman;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0379f53773dd4d359076386ea526cedc/detroit-police-seek-men-who-robbed-couples-raped-women
1252503;1440586712;assbot;Detroit police seek men who robbed couples, raped the women ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAaO1C )
1252504;1440588722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3386 @ 0.0007129 = 2.4139 BTC [-]
1252505;1440589881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2661 @ 0.00071908 = 1.9135 BTC [+]
1252506;1440589967;fluffypony;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ifrse/iq_190_versus_japanese_police_mtgox_update_in/
1252507;1440589968;assbot;iq 190 versus japanese police - mtgox update (in japanese) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB5Ylk )
1252508;1440589975;fluffypony;"of even 1.1 billion yen from the mount Gokkusu company funds have been lending to affiliated companies"
1252509;1440589979;fluffypony;Mount Gokkusu
1252510;1440589983;fluffypony;awesome
1252511;1440590021;fluffypony;and Marc Karupuresu
1252512;1440590023;fluffypony;lol
1252513;1440590046;fluffypony;Marc Karupuresu-san, glorious leader of famous industry Mount Gokkusu
1252514;1440591772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00071448 = 2.1792 BTC [-] {3} 
1252515;1440592382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00071301 = 2.3886 BTC [-]
1252516;1440593297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00071291 = 1.8536 BTC [-] {3} 
1252517;1440593846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16856 @ 0.0007129 = 12.0166 BTC [-]
1252518;1440593968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10860 @ 0.00070926 = 7.7026 BTC [-] {3} 
1252519;1440594008;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252447 << by hand, yes
1252520;1440594008;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 06:18:48; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey, how do you feed your twitter ? is it by hand or some sort of remarkably clever script ?
1252521;1440595140;funkenstein_;"Needless to say, this dumping of sensitive personal and financial information is bound to have catastrophic effects on the lives of the website's users," according to a lawsuit filed Friday on behalf of an anonymous Los Angeles man who created an account with Ashley Madison in March 2012.
1252522;1440595313;funkenstein_;Is it really needless to say that people are noncommunicative fuckwits, and even if so, does that mean they should be awarded damages?
1252523;1440595550;punkman;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ashley-madison-faces-578m-canadian-class-action-lawsuit-article-1.2333933
1252524;1440595551;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1Ifdz )
1252525;1440595666;punkman;funkenstein_: the people that paid a fee to get their account deleted have every right to sue
1252526;1440595974;punkman;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/woman-downs-200-bottle-cognac-beat-airport-rules-article-1.2337482 heh
1252527;1440595975;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlYKgR )
1252528;1440595981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00070734 = 1.9806 BTC [+] {2} 
1252529;1440596957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00071328 = 1.1056 BTC [+]
1252530;1440597079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3230 @ 0.0007065 = 2.282 BTC [-] {2} 
1252531;1440597211;funkenstein_;punkman, ok you have a point there.  but hardly "bound to have catastrophic effects"
1252532;1440597933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0007065 = 2.0489 BTC [-] {2} 
1252533;1440598055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7475 @ 0.00070594 = 5.2769 BTC [-] {3} 
1252534;1440598116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00070394 = 23.6172 BTC [-]
1252535;1440598177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5060 @ 0.00070298 = 3.5571 BTC [-] {2} 
1252536;1440598203;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so why'd they shoot the toddler BingoBoingo ? was it the "officer felt his life endangered" or was it "toddler didn't obey comamnds" << WHo shot toddler presented as a mystery so far
1252537;1440598421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3249 @ 0.00070042 = 2.2757 BTC [-]
1252538;1440598551;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo was this because "no longer silver" or because "no longer a consideration", as in "sterling promise" ? << No longer silver nor a pound in weight
1252539;1440598579;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144858 << i'm in favor of raising threshold, to 10 or 100 BTC
1252540;1440598579;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 20:19:42; BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> as stated, there is enough interest with a small rebellion on top - so they stay << Maybe raise the limit? Perhaps 1BTC is nao too small and spammy, but 100 BTC is ok.
1252541;1440599354;punkman;traders could vote for tradeblock size by appending a number of satoshis in their mpex trades!
1252542;1440599365;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> are these dudes just lying / making up random numbers / multipliers or wtf. << Lots of social media creatures got very excited about the certainty we were using to dismiss XTCoin
1252543;1440599847;BingoBoingo;But the actual Quantcast numbers could very well be invented
1252544;1440599879;mats;$ grep -c '[MPEX][S.MPOE]' \#bitcoin-assets.txt
1252545;1440599879;mats;26993
1252546;1440599879;mats;$ wc -l \#bitcoin-assets.txt
1252547;1440599879;mats;570689 #bitcoin-assets.txt
1252548;1440599908;mats;goes back a year and some change.
1252549;1440600082;asciilifeform;meanwhile...
1252550;1440600086;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4DB1842C9A8152D692712E1C547CCB631A94D2DD0B72C509FFCC0A1D66BAE2CF
1252551;1440600090;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igc9mQ )
1252552;1440600097;asciilifeform;gcd==6635724473865; Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. <macy@upenn.edu>
1252553;1440600103;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/193B1475A224970C48CBAEFB676286194E1CB3AA58826D40081DCECD932D612B
1252554;1440600109;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igcc27 )
1252555;1440600110;asciilifeform;gcd==176093659177
1252556;1440600116;asciilifeform;Charly Avital (1.0.7) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (1.0.7) <shavital@netbox.com>; Charly Avital (1.0.7) <shavital@netvision.net.il>;
1252557;1440600122;asciilifeform;and, more interestingly,
1252558;1440600127;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C98BDAEE4C2F62589E9AA3A48BA3A83672C2D118BC92C174D0ED05E85E374F5
1252559;1440600132;asciilifeform;gcd==115689563593438224355064235381090056755163859480449174433830003975037467950966309481394007709292222401673721911305757070903002186880134248491556817065874097861521564574240083326343937488908899708599174992366919884328839153192482261044065875685676447097938344009705169081015113163350134173402351902967563106577
1252560;1440600138;asciilifeform;alice@example.com
1252561;1440600166;asciilifeform;^ somebody apparently insisted on testing whether we actually gcd or merely trialdivide by smallints ?
1252562;1440600223;asciilifeform;the first two are classic 32-bit-mirror pattern.
1252563;1440600224;mats;phuctor only a week behind now huh
1252564;1440600236;mats;nice.
1252565;1440600273;asciilifeform;mats: i've been feeding it in ~week batches.
1252566;1440600345;asciilifeform;btw, even though phuctor doesn't know it yet,
1252567;1440600369;asciilifeform;1892723568087551493618009926760646349750467909459205522740818964105167347100605148404547621231828137233618985557651353972652544834696902490261435508019184913443852889174299036165741658177022592368459736005914185040826479573661843378682873100657805929320966265028821081871933334201224905640147632447988816821204762280887813873227995514589266043350766730094335329902939423219963864086671420764362056760171241392986612229786936976293
1252568;1440600370;asciilifeform;8782865030610011580585795814396421806357354395965320159640864707390392014207044836043353715693836994998437234838731485153184127003171175279749428713283864650143760704836263568001942385593 == 16360365700220383083992880523651957772484327905585940654336777478534165450848968948511765861171837485450883856464038603399315640317512366397354934510310019469606107654802941687468389058162309313111941860583228386078296432650103403156222831
1252569;1440600370;asciilifeform;5199932231505284351687168764809408601196984251559017124370646263943209 * 115689563593438224355064235381090056755163859480449174433830003975037467950966309481394007709292222401673721911305757070903002186880134248491556817065874097861521564574240083326343937488908899708599174992366919884328839153192482261044065875685676447097938344009705169081015113163350134173402351902967563106577.
1252570;1440600405;*;asciilifeform waves hello to 'researcherz doing research'
1252571;1440600517;asciilifeform;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xE4D2A44D1D8A78CC << our 'alice'.
1252572;1440600518;assbot;Search results for '0xe4d2a44d1d8a78cc' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgdnP4 )
1252573;1440600885;asciilifeform;https://www.med.upenn.edu/bbl/macy_publications.shtml << dr. macy
1252574;1440600887;assbot;Neuropsychiatry Section ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igez4R )
1252575;1440600903;asciilifeform;^ apparently specialist in reproductive biology
1252576;1440601042;asciilifeform;http://gnupg.10057.n7.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&user=87 << charly avital. gpg tester ?
1252577;1440601043;assbot;GnuPG - Profile of Charly Avital ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jy7jqs )
1252578;1440601105;asciilifeform;'(GnuPG/MacGPG2) 2.0.20 - gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.15   TB 24.0.1 Enigmail version 1.6 (20131006-1849)'
1252579;1440601108;asciilifeform;finally.
1252580;1440601136;asciilifeform;but i still see no reason to think that the faux key was uploaded from his own system. or that this took place with any of the others.
1252581;1440601163;asciilifeform;who wants to write to mr avital...?
1252582;1440602057;punkman;http://paxos.systems/index.html
1252583;1440602059;assbot;Paxos Made Moderately Complex ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgiQoO )
1252584;1440602358;mats;;;calc 26993/570689
1252585;1440602359;gribble;0.0472989666876
1252586;1440602383;mats;~5% 'pure noise'
1252587;1440602631;mircea_popescu;lol alfie.
1252588;1440602745;mircea_popescu;mount gokksu is the official new name of the generic bitcoin scam with delusions of grandeur.
1252589;1440602770;mircea_popescu;bitcoin-mount-gokksu being what mount hearnu & gokksu a be doing.
1252590;1440602775;mircea_popescu;aka bitcoin-mg
1252591;1440602868;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron oh ok. was gonna want to see that perl wonder otherwise :D
1252592;1440602900;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_> Is it really needless to say that people are noncommunicative fuckwits, and even if so, does that mean they should be awarded damages? << i hope the trial is directed at THE LYING FRAUDULENT SCUMBAGS that ran the site.
1252593;1440602984;mircea_popescu;<punkman> traders could vote for tradeblock size by appending a number of satoshis in their mpex trades! << yeah seriously. how about this : voice costs about the same.
1252594;1440603000;mircea_popescu;i wanna see all these people who are too busy to read a line worth two hundred bux prove it.
1252595;1440603042;mircea_popescu;<mats> $ grep -c '[MPEX][S.MPOE]' \#bitcoin-assets.txt << not like it's SO HARD to kill a line so marked. which is why they have the motherfucking tags.
1252596;1440603052;mircea_popescu;but apparently we suffer from "xt" syndrome and don';t even know it.
1252597;1440603233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform our 'alice'. << created 27 aug last year no less.
1252598;1440603327;mircea_popescu;punkman " Before you start, make sure you are familiar with the terms in the word cloud above." motherfucker. being "familiar" is exactly what these poorly brought up children do, and the word for it is impudence.
1252599;1440603546;mircea_popescu;(for the record - lest you be "familiar" with the term from the broken contemporary dictionaries - impudence does not mean "being disrespectful of another person". it has nothing to do with others. impudence is grossly manifest pretense to unwarranted importance. and it's been the distinguishing mark of young adults in agrarian societies since forever.)
1252600;1440603937;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252300 << reducing the tyke to starvation wages at 18 is the pressed shitboard stand in
1252601;1440603937;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 05:20:15; mircea_popescu: heck, give fathers back the power to shoot toddlers that don't obey commands, see the "demographics problems" end overnight.
1252602;1440603998;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1252603;1440604008;mircea_popescu;what starvation wages.
1252604;1440604031;ben_vulpes;"the wife'd never let you"
1252605;1440604036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3990 @ 0.00070872 = 2.8278 BTC [-]
1252606;1440604075;mircea_popescu;so basically the vp is "let's make one of these things that'll never be able to stand on its own" "i'd rather build a perpetual money flame"
1252607;1440604084;mircea_popescu;or a commemorative melted cheese fountain.
1252608;1440604131;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252346 << subject of, asciilifeform, didja see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X69_42Mj-g ??
1252609;1440604131;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 05:34:47; asciilifeform: without upchucking
1252610;1440604132;assbot;Clasp: Common Lisp using LLVM and C++ for Molecular Metaprogramming - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUt0jY )
1252611;1440604157;ben_vulpes;guy is rewriting class and pointer locations in memory on the fly
1252612;1440604160;ben_vulpes;among other gems
1252613;1440604172;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why would i want to see this ?!
1252614;1440604186;ben_vulpes;claims that his lisp works with force fields and constrait systems as first class concepts
1252615;1440604195;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1252616;1440604197;asciilifeform;so whence the cpp horrors ?
1252617;1440604202;asciilifeform;if 'his lisp works'
1252618;1440604220;ben_vulpes;fast molecular dynamics tools he didn't care to rewrite himself.
1252619;1440604232;ben_vulpes;etymological interest?
1252620;1440604238;ben_vulpes;er
1252621;1440604240;asciilifeform;entomological?
1252622;1440604241;ben_vulpes;entomological
1252623;1440604253;mats;TIL the HTTP referrer header is misspelled 'referer' in the actual standard and subsequently in the implementations
1252624;1440604287;asciilifeform;mats: old nyooz, whole religions have been built on mistranslations and orthographic mistakes
1252625;1440604355;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ << it is my pleasure to report that so far, the herniated minds with the bitcoin-mount gokksu fixation have contributed a total of 533 words and 0.53231949 BTC in actual bets,
1252626;1440604355;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.09 B (98%) on Yes, 1.54 B (2%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 98`985 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
1252627;1440604369;mircea_popescu;putting their per-word value at 0.0001 btc by this simple test.
1252628;1440604391;ben_vulpes;i stopped reading at "so if just one XT node..." the other day.
1252629;1440604401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aren't these the same folks who wouldn't buy the ethereum 'derp' futures?
1252630;1440604413;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually ~using~ bitbet, to them, would be a kind of surrender, no ?
1252631;1440604414;mircea_popescu;mats yup. which is how i learned that particular misspelling ;/
1252632;1440604452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're the same folks that aren't buying cars and time with the sluts born the same year as themselves, by the same token. so what of it.
1252633;1440604458;asciilifeform;though, you gotta love the very special imbecile who complained about the 'risk' of being paid bet winnings in '1mbcoin'
1252634;1440604471;mircea_popescu;if it's not on the "electronic foodstamp list" in the supermarket, how'd they buy it
1252635;1440604476;mats;0.5323? whaddabout the other 1.01?
1252636;1440604482;mircea_popescu;the part on yes ?
1252637;1440604485;mircea_popescu;da fuck ?!
1252638;1440604533;mircea_popescu;that's another mindfuck : aside my feed, people actually bet MORE on yes. in spite of there being 100 on yes.
1252639;1440604545;mircea_popescu;mats oh, yeah. im only counting things happening after thew thing hit the reddits.
1252640;1440604567;asciilifeform;speaking of,
1252641;1440604569;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with
1252642;1440604571;assbot;Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
1252643;1440604573;asciilifeform;~193 pts
1252644;1440604580;mircea_popescu;pts ?
1252645;1440604584;asciilifeform;'ups'
1252646;1440604588;mircea_popescu;huh
1252647;1440604589;asciilifeform;or whatever they're called now.
1252648;1440604593;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1252649;1440604681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly, might not be so very imbecile. it wouldn't surprise me if the fork gets improved to remove selected old coinbases once it's in.
1252650;1440604695;mircea_popescu;after all, once it's in, it's in, they can do whatever they want. which is the entire point.
1252651;1440604713;asciilifeform;camel's nose, elementary.
1252652;1440604716;mircea_popescu;quite.
1252653;1440604726;asciilifeform;'remove t3rr0r1st coinz!!11'
1252654;1440604739;mircea_popescu;hey, they're already derping about how "bitcoin is regulated" and whatnot.
1252655;1440604740;asciilifeform;'give back stolen btc to the rightful ownerz'
1252656;1440604763;mircea_popescu;i fully expect they fall back to that nonsense once they [somehow comprehend] they got beaten on technical dispute.
1252657;1440604772;mircea_popescu;just like they fell on this once the previous failed and so on
1252658;1440604890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00071408 = 3.4633 BTC [+] {4} 
1252659;1440604925;asciilifeform;they have a bottomless barrel of 'improvements'. if that fails, it'll be 'environmentally-friendly minerless distribution' or some other crock of shit
1252660;1440604932;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1252661;1440604977;mircea_popescu;this was the golden bullet, doesn't have a spare silver even.
1252662;1440604995;BingoBoingo;Problem with voting, idiots can vote for things that don't exist yet https://archive.is/eLLcl
1252663;1440604996;assbot;Bitfury joins Chinese pools and backs BIP100, nearly 50% of hashing power is now publicly backing BIP100 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUv5fX )
1252664;1440605017;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252598 << and website's not even half done!
1252665;1440605017;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 15:35:27; mircea_popescu: punkman " Before you start, make sure you are familiar with the terms in the word cloud above." motherfucker. being "familiar" is exactly what these poorly brought up children do, and the word for it is impudence.
1252666;1440605082;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo imo that wants to mean "we don't want things stuck here forever, but we don't support gavin"
1252667;1440605085;punkman;but hey they have a cool domain and they already got the USG grants
1252668;1440605088;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if cn miners insist on testing the voltage on the electric fence using own cocks, who am i to disagree
1252669;1440605098;mircea_popescu;which is perhaps the only sane position a fiat-backed venture can take.
1252670;1440605121;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course, but I await the idiot train that assumes it means something else.
1252671;1440605122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bip100 is not actually specified yet.
1252672;1440605139;mircea_popescu;it can mean "go suck mp's cock in argentina" for all anyone knows.
1252673;1440605168;BingoBoingo;Or it could be a symlink to BIP $maxint: No more BIPs
1252674;1440605178;mircea_popescu;or that.
1252675;1440605212;mircea_popescu;for all its warts, the bip system did have the practical utility of discouraging discussion over a majority of historical harebrained schemes.
1252676;1440605217;mircea_popescu;it's very own sort of soft !v
1252677;1440605242;mircea_popescu;who even knew that for YEARS this was actually enough.
1252678;1440605245;mircea_popescu;years!
1252679;1440605272;BingoBoingo;Seriously, just enough years for the cartilage of bitcoin to calcify enough to support walking even
1252680;1440605426;mircea_popescu;i guess that's a point
1252681;1440605430;mircea_popescu;biology, eh BingoBoingo ?
1252682;1440605444;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1252683;1440609369;mats;s.mpoe so stable
1252684;1440610807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00070037 = 3.4318 BTC [-] {5} 
1252685;1440611722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00070032 = 3.7467 BTC [-]
1252686;1440612635;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://nosuchlabs.com/rss
1252687;1440612638;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws )
1252688;1440612638;deedbot-;http://nosuchlabs.com/rss added.
1252689;1440612699;trinque;mircea_popescu: currently the thing listens to me only; when I get a chance, I'll grab the code from the deeds module and let L1 control feeds
1252690;1440612709;trinque;meanwhile I can add whatever you'd like
1252691;1440613160;deedbot-;[Trilema] RObotzi S03 Ep3 : Hobby - http://trilema.com/2015/robotzi-s03-ep3-hobby/
1252692;1440613160;deedbot-;[Trilema] The three friends and the means of meaning - http://trilema.com/2015/the-three-friends-and-the-means-of-meaning/
1252693;1440613162;deedbot-;[Qntra] British 'Cultural' Capital Controls Interfere With Commerce - http://qntra.net/2015/08/british-cultural-capital-controls-interfere-with-commerce/
1252694;1440613164;deedbot-;[Recently Phuctored RSA Moduli] Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=609 (Blevins <<wblevins@ix.netcom.com>>; THIS KEY HAS BEEN REVOKED <PLEASE DO NOT USE>; ) - http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6D497A91DB9DE78E559BF952FFC44A45C0C8CA5FAB4A23E547F125A6541B7A6#B437CABB5475E65CED65A102B206BE9857C3FD0C9A24DF62941BF5FF46D73AB5
1252695;1440613165;deedbot-;[Recently Phuctored RSA Moduli] Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=519691042937 (Andrew Orr <andrew@andreworr.ca>; ) - http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC#BD2846B267D49C865911E7513CAF4254669848792AA6903D280A0F8EBD2813F6
1252696;1440613165;deedbot-;[Recently Phuctored RSA Moduli] Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Andrew Orr <andrew@andreworr.ca>; ) - http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9C5494A7B03BBA6E8699AF3EBACA1A2E3ED77906921EB829571A5AEF2623FBC#211791FC37A1BB035F09E688CE238EE61F2933B6A01D2FC7512BD771F4C23032
1252697;1440613166;deedbot-;[Recently Phuctored RSA Moduli] Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=357 (__test__ <__test__@ribble.cn>; ) - http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/553307AFE540EF3E57BB4D3558C9C7FA88F2C4B81CBCB9F5ADEF116B4055E582#5A0C130A24BF1E31756C501252C9F008E2453391CF4B48D78272C73DCA8CB16A
1252698;1440613166;deedbot-;[Recently Phuctored RSA Moduli] Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>; ) - http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD#9098364A0C829D2334C1FEB28BB32586DD715CDA7CA82EA77EDB06C310FB6268
1252699;1440613167;deedbot-;[Recently Phuctored RSA Moduli] Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=141733920801 (Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>; ) - http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD#A2E1D97BFA1AA0431B12F36B8AB2669779FA7D59960E8323C98B9DA9158B4469
1252700;1440613177;trinque;^ bleh, got stuck. I'm looking into it.
1252701;1440613881;trinque;I've sprinkled logging throughout. If anyone sees him miss an article, give me a shout.
1252702;1440615566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00070032 = 2.8363 BTC [-]
1252703;1440615604;deedbot-;[Qntra] Agora Marketplace Suspends Operations Citing Potential Tor Attack - http://qntra.net/2015/08/agora-marketplace-suspends-operations-citing-potential-tor-attack/
1252704;1440615978;trinque;^ found some shitty code related to sqlite3 and gevent interacting poorly, made some changes.
1252705;1440616424;lobbes;!rate trinque 1 deedbot-
1252706;1440616424;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/720c109f1be31b19
1252707;1440616487;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.trinque.1:418ef9d0ac439137a8bb5a0f58492af4934b856b27798a3d0754a3cc34eb6a8f
1252708;1440616487;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for trinque with note: deedbot-
1252709;1440616887;lobbes;!unrate williamdunne
1252710;1440616887;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4b95653510d4d32e
1252711;1440617307;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.unrate.williamdunne:71a384d5b1cf144ebab8def2927b8f96dc150a77a805545f5db4df1dfe05fa63
1252712;1440617307;assbot;Successfully unrated williamdunne
1252713;1440618128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00070381 = 2.1466 BTC [+]
1252714;1440618189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00070119 = 2.384 BTC [-] {3} 
1252715;1440618252;mircea_popescu;soo how about that virginia shooting.
1252716;1440618275;mircea_popescu;!up anjap12
1252717;1440618282;trinque;the guy says he was bullied!
1252718;1440618313;mircea_popescu;totally justifiable homicide.
1252719;1440618316;mircea_popescu;she wasn't nice to him.
1252720;1440618323;mircea_popescu;it's practically rape.
1252721;1440618325;mircea_popescu;!rate wyrdmantis 1 Good name
1252722;1440618325;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ea0c127b3420e737
1252723;1440618364;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.wyrdmantis.1:12236e13cb845c19a23fa64c1562d16235680590216f20bc9bde525dc0a619c9
1252724;1440618364;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for wyrdmantis with note: Good name
1252725;1440618394;trinque;there seems to be an ever-growing category of americans which can't handle the slightest jostle of their emotional state.
1252726;1440618414;trinque;pollution? death-rattle of a country? I'm not sure.
1252727;1440618466;mircea_popescu;well, they weren't beaten as kids. so how'd they be sane as adults.
1252728;1440618468;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> she wasn't nice to him. << Apparently there is a manifesto. He's also pissed about the black church fires and Dylan Storm Roof.
1252729;1440618510;trinque;manifesto, lol
1252730;1440618512;mircea_popescu;trinque i don't see why it has to listen to anyone else.
1252731;1440618519;trinque;k
1252732;1440618556;trinque;and yes, I think it's abundantly clear that being raised in an environment without consequences yields horrible results.
1252733;1440618571;mircea_popescu;without even the possibility of ~
1252734;1440618621;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1252735;1440618624;trinque;and that someone being oh so very upset with you is not a consequence.
1252736;1440618651;trinque;I certainly wasn't arbitrarily attacked in childhood, but I knew very well that certain behavior choices would result in an ass-kicking.
1252737;1440618660;trinque;and I think that's exactly the right approach.
1252738;1440618716;ascii_field;i think this one might be the first 1stperson-pov-filmed postal in usa
1252739;1440618720;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5038 << that epic moment when xt-ians figure out they're destined to lose, by design.
1252740;1440618721;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.09 B (98%) on Yes, 1.54 B (2%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 98`932 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JyIOJJ )
1252741;1440618739;mircea_popescu;ascii_field some woman blew her brains out on live cam
1252742;1440618747;mircea_popescu;actually multiple of these.
1252743;1440618748;trinque;I've seen a vid of a dude doing the same
1252744;1440618750;ascii_field;that ain't a postal
1252745;1440618751;mircea_popescu;;;googe live reporter suicide
1252746;1440618751;trinque;yeah
1252747;1440618751;gribble;Error: "googe" is not a valid command.
1252748;1440618756;mircea_popescu;googe should be a word.
1252749;1440618774;trinque;sounds like an unpleasant substance
1252750;1440618800;trinque;hm, #suicideselfie
1252751;1440618803;trinque;can we get it to trend?!
1252752;1440618839;mircea_popescu;no, for obvious reasons.
1252753;1440618857;trinque;I suppose it'd be short-lived.
1252754;1440618881;mircea_popescu;haha
1252755;1440618886;trinque;were these instances of people acting out common around the soviet collapse?
1252756;1440618895;mircea_popescu;mnop
1252757;1440618918;mircea_popescu;this collapse couldn't be more unlike that collapse in the following fundamental way :
1252758;1440618941;mircea_popescu;the soviet state was a slow, inept drain on the resources of an otherwise powerful, self reliant and resourceful population.
1252759;1440618970;mircea_popescu;contrariwise, the usg is a competent prop of an otherwise inept, worthless and disabled population.
1252760;1440619022;mircea_popescu;the us is going to fail like argentina and the congo, not like russia or romania.
1252761;1440619112;ascii_field;more of a rhodesia
1252762;1440619117;trinque;makes sense.
1252763;1440619134;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dun think so.
1252764;1440619144;trinque;I wonder if there's some subconscious awareness of this, being overextended and unable to help oneself.
1252765;1440619153;trinque;hence nervous breakdown all over
1252766;1440619181;mircea_popescu;if you push the point, you can claim the various attacks as quite edifyingly narcissistic
1252767;1440619232;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what, you figure the chinese care ? i don't think they care.
1252768;1440619257;mircea_popescu;they might rhodesia japan, and certainly will do something or other to korea. but the us ? i dunno.
1252769;1440619362;mats;https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz6KeqSMAUiubkRxbXN3b1JQM0E le video for those interested in seeing it
1252770;1440619364;assbot;2015-08-26-1118-50.flv - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1JyJSgD )
1252771;1440619447;mircea_popescu;is there a transcript ?
1252772;1440619449;mircea_popescu;:D
1252773;1440619461;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/26/fbd10438e22d1ebbbb299e76d1e96ddf.png
1252774;1440619463;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JyJXkk )
1252775;1440619463;punkman;mats doesn't work here
1252776;1440619475;BingoBoingo;mats: You dig up the manifesto, I've been looking for it.
1252777;1440619475;ascii_field;http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/24/9202957/ashley-madison-hack-competitor-dating-site << mega-l0l
1252778;1440619476;assbot;Ashley Madison CEO allegedly wanted to hack competitor after executive discovered security hole | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1JyJVcp )
1252779;1440619488;mircea_popescu;herp
1252780;1440619489;ascii_field;https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/leaked-ashleymadison-emails-suggest-execs-hacked-competitors << original
1252781;1440619491;assbot;Leaked AshleyMadison Emails Suggest Execs Hacked Competitors —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1hfJDvV )
1252782;1440619506;ascii_field;(or i suppose the actual original is the leaked mailbox, which anyone can go and get)
1252783;1440619530;trinque;mats: guy seems like a terrible shot.
1252784;1440619556;trinque;squeezed off 3-4 at <10ft? target runs away?
1252785;1440619569;mircea_popescu;that's another thing. all these "gun violence" exponents are barely acquainted with guns.
1252786;1440619598;mircea_popescu;it's like a "end violence - ban sinks" because a buncha bums keep running into houses, stealing the sinks and buldgeoning the poor ladies to death with 'em
1252787;1440619599;trinque;if he'd ever picked one up before, it was in front of the mirror
1252788;1440619607;trinque;heh, yup
1252789;1440619624;mircea_popescu;"clearly - sinks kill people"
1252790;1440619635;mats;BingoBoingo: i don't think ABC has released it
1252791;1440619645;mircea_popescu;"you don't need a sink anyway, who doesn't eat at mcd ? terrorists, that's who!"
1252792;1440619711;mircea_popescu;trinque dude thinking about it... 4 misses under 10 feet is not even terrible anymore. this is http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ATeamFiring level.
1252793;1440619713;assbot;A-Team Firing - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1hfL7pT )
1252794;1440619732;ascii_field;hey there are folks who miss own head !
1252795;1440619736;ascii_field;from 10cm
1252796;1440619737;trinque;hahaha
1252797;1440619750;mircea_popescu;that i can see.
1252798;1440619763;mircea_popescu;people are wired to miss own head. but nobody's wired to miss a fucking monkey 10 feet away.
1252799;1440619766;punkman;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=45f_1440493492 heh
1252800;1440619767;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Clumsy Kid Destroys $1.5M Painting ... ( http://bit.ly/1hfLqB2 )
1252801;1440619783;trinque;the guy was probably so internally conflicted that half of him didn't want to do it
1252802;1440619796;trinque;flinching with every squeeze
1252803;1440619818;mats;punkman: is a flash video, mayhaps thats why?
1252804;1440619848;punkman;mats, I downloaded it, but such scam, too short
1252805;1440619851;mircea_popescu;trinque untrained shooters have problems controlling their own reactions to the noise/physical stress.
1252806;1440619856;trinque;yep
1252807;1440619892;trinque;everything paints a picture of impulsive lashing out, not some plan, and certainly nothing deserving a "manifesto"
1252808;1440619915;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually, even before the round fires - 'anticipatory flinch'
1252809;1440619945;mats;i dunno about impulsive, if he was telling the truth about getting the handgun ~3mos ago
1252810;1440619949;mircea_popescu;well yeah, he learned from prev one
1252811;1440619970;mircea_popescu;trinque the manifesto is prolly just the nigger activistas creaming their pants
1252812;1440619984;mircea_popescu;"whay none of these tyrones can wraet good like white folks! we should do something about it!"
1252813;1440619999;trinque;mats: I dunno that I'd equate not being able to muster the (what? not courage) to do it == having a plan
1252814;1440620026;mircea_popescu;"here's something that i just had my secretary type up and it was subseuqently found yesterday in the guy's dirty laundry bin."
1252815;1440620055;trinque;nobody on the continent has a plan
1252816;1440620067;trinque;just knows how having one looks on tv
1252817;1440620070;mircea_popescu;bip 1337!
1252818;1440620078;ascii_field;if he had a plan, there'd be a ruined bridge or demolished dam
1252819;1440620082;trinque;with steampunk gogglez
1252820;1440620092;mircea_popescu;ascii_field why this civil engineering bend ?
1252821;1440620130;ascii_field;because it is abundantly clear that the standard u.s. 'postal' is going for tlp/fantasy-actualization, rather than partizan/corpse-maximization
1252822;1440620160;mircea_popescu;if he had a plan, he'd have gone with a vest at one of those endless "conferences", except one for law enforcement. that's where all the alread-stole-enough DEA agents & c go to prowl for young meat.
1252823;1440620178;mircea_popescu;wait for 9pm on friday night, pull the pin
1252824;1440620191;ascii_field;spray petrol first.
1252825;1440620210;mircea_popescu;nah, fire's ineffectual.
1252826;1440620219;mircea_popescu;roll around in plastique, roll around in bearing balls.
1252827;1440620219;ascii_field;on the contrary
1252828;1440620225;mircea_popescu;call it the boom donut
1252829;1440620225;ascii_field;fire holds the record thus far in north amer.
1252830;1440620230;ascii_field;!s happyland
1252831;1440620231;assbot;0 results for 'happyland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=happyland
1252832;1440620243;ascii_field;!s happy land fire
1252833;1440620243;assbot;3 results for 'happy land fire' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=happy+land+fire
1252834;1440620251;mircea_popescu;ascii_field fuel bombs are great but impossible to deliver on foot.
1252835;1440620309;ascii_field;that's be fuel-air demolition thingie
1252836;1440620324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00070032 = 7.7035 BTC [-]
1252837;1440620358;ascii_field;not what was meant here.
1252838;1440620369;mircea_popescu;this said, it should be interesting to see what happens if there's say a coordinated booming of all the dams on the sacramento river. 15 minute intervals, going downstream.
1252839;1440620383;mircea_popescu;not like they have water as it is.
1252840;1440620384;ascii_field;ask orlov, l0l
1252841;1440620434;mircea_popescu;still, this approach is ill advised.
1252842;1440620453;mircea_popescu;currently there exists 0 example of a terrorist attack that actually justifies the government effort.
1252843;1440620468;mircea_popescu;what, the terrorists bombed wall street ? uh oh, man in the street is so upset.
1252844;1440620583;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1252845;1440620623;ascii_field;my point was that whatever it was the 'postal' folks were optimizing for, it certainly isn't max damage or even intimidation
1252846;1440620646;ascii_field;and the only thing they all have in common is that they play into the hands of usg agenda.
1252847;1440620650;mircea_popescu;(incidentally : usable demolition charges are so unremarkable, they had to make a special treaty so everyone agrees to outlaw untagged charges. which is why all the brouhaha about "Sniffing explosives". properly made c4/semtex etc are not actually detectable on their own)
1252848;1440620673;ascii_field;not as other than quadrapole/nmr
1252849;1440620678;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dun see it, just because you ex post facto define that agenda (as do they) doesn't mean it;'s anything
1252850;1440620699;ascii_field;(ever wonder why the stereotypical arabian explosive is the suicidally unstable peroxide of acetone? no N !)
1252851;1440620754;mircea_popescu;eh, good luck with nmr on such a scale.
1252852;1440620771;mircea_popescu;for that matter, it's not THAT hard to manufacture.
1252853;1440620775;mircea_popescu;certainly easier than meth.
1252854;1440620807;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the detector is commercially-available, and mostly works
1252855;1440620814;ascii_field;(with the obvious limitations)
1252856;1440620818;mircea_popescu;right.
1252857;1440620830;mircea_popescu;chief among them, that it runs on windows ?
1252858;1440620840;ascii_field;almost certainly
1252859;1440620857;ascii_field;iirc mats was involved in mine-clearing
1252860;1440620866;ascii_field;mats: does quadrupole nmr earn its pay ?
1252861;1440620889;mircea_popescu;im sure if you have a lot of time and a well defined cube to look into it's useful.
1252862;1440620896;mircea_popescu;;;google container port
1252863;1440620897;gribble;ContainerPort Group, Inc.: <http://www.containerport.com/>; Newark - ContainerPort Group, Inc.: <http://www.containerport.com/newark-nj.shtml>; Cincinnati - ContainerPort Group, Inc.: <http://www.containerport.com/cincinnati-oh.shtml>
1252864;1440620958;ascii_field;anyone remember the lulzy 'ADE 651' scam ?
1252865;1440620970;ascii_field;(one of the many fake quadrupole mineseekers)
1252866;1440620975;mats;i had to google to find out what you're talking about
1252867;1440620985;mats;i was never trained on such a device if .mil operates them
1252868;1440621138;mats;bread n butter was handheld GPR systems and bigger ones attached to huskies
1252869;1440621165;*;ascii_field just now learned that the quadrupole thing was, apparently, ~not~ commercially available at any point other than in scam form
1252870;1440621168;ascii_field;(empty box)
1252871;1440621189;ascii_field;portable mass spec / gas chromatograph for volatiles - yes
1252872;1440621194;ascii_field;and can be seen at american airports
1252873;1440621200;mats;and some misc sensing/jamming RF equipment intended to diddle remotely operated IEDs
1252874;1440621217;ascii_field;also famous
1252875;1440621230;ascii_field;though one has to wonder what the designers of the mines had instead of brains, for it to work
1252876;1440621239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00070839 = 1.8064 BTC [+]
1252877;1440621250;mats;poorly informed instructors i would presume
1252878;1440621292;mats;afaik folks caught on pretty quick and vast majority of IEDs became victim activated pressure plates
1252879;1440621304;mats;or manual det via km-long lamp wire
1252880;1440621430;mats;nasty stuff. my unit was rendered 'combat ineffective' overseas a buncha times because all their vehicles got fucked and half the joes were in germany getting fitted for prosthetics
1252881;1440621466;mats;but hey -- get blown up twice, you go home. that's nice of 'em, i guess...
1252882;1440621524;ascii_field;has to be ~twice~ !?
1252883;1440621581;mats;well, if it doesn't maim you, yeah
1252884;1440621609;mats;if you just get rocked, you go back on mission after you an eval by the doc
1252885;1440621639;mats;you get an*
1252886;1440621682;ascii_field;mats: went to a lecture once, by a fella who put forth a model where soldier's helmet ends up playing the role of an acoustic lens
1252887;1440621692;ascii_field;and focuses shock wave
1252888;1440621709;ascii_field;he suggested changing the shape of the helmet
1252889;1440621714;ascii_field;iirc never went anywhere
1252890;1440621726;mats;http://www.amazon.com/NEW-ORIGINAL-US-ARMY-ISSUE/dp/B004RCLM8Q << thats why these were standard issue
1252891;1440621728;assbot;Amazon.com : NEW ORIGINAL US ARMY ISSUE - PADS SET (7 PADS) FOR THE ACH / MICH HELMET : Office Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjNNKL )
1252892;1440621737;mats;took a few years for DoD to figure it out, though
1252893;1440621786;mircea_popescu;<mats>  and half the joes were in germany getting fitted for prosthetics << germany is like the king of this trade by now.
1252894;1440621819;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's where usg has its mega-colonialbase in eu
1252895;1440621831;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you seen those open cone helmet things ?
1252896;1440621842;ascii_field;open cone? as in bismark ?
1252897;1440621843;mircea_popescu;"just as good as the real one, but focuses the waves away from your head
1252898;1440621856;mircea_popescu;dorkiest look ever, too. "hey, i'm a wizard-soldier"
1252899;1440621878;ascii_field;if it's an actual cone, the viet cong might have patent !
1252900;1440621915;mircea_popescu;those just had a point
1252901;1440621957;mircea_popescu;imagine an asymptotic curve rotated around its asymptote with the ends cut off.
1252902;1440621966;ascii_field;l0l!
1252903;1440621968;ascii_field;onion ?
1252904;1440621982;ascii_field;or more like a klyster ?
1252905;1440622052;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc there were 16th c. spanish helms which looked rather like this.
1252906;1440622066;mircea_popescu;well i can't fucking find a piocture, and i don't recall where the fuck this was. some sort of innovative tank helmet
1252907;1440622068;mircea_popescu;prolly classified.
1252908;1440622129;mircea_popescu;no im pretty sure it was cereal.
1252909;1440622165;mircea_popescu;speaking of, "Modi faces crucial test in India as onion prices soar. High onion prices are creating a challenge for Indian Prime Minister Narendra."
1252910;1440622289;mircea_popescu;and vaguely related, http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvhrhr1i2jOBnpt1Go1_1280.jpg
1252911;1440622291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ejt1xL )
1252912;1440622321;mircea_popescu;slash http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvhrhklphE6oXgAtlo1_1280.jpg
1252913;1440622323;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ejt4d3 )
1252914;1440622352;mats;http://fluxdesign.blogspot.com/2008/01/didnt-this-guys-mom-ever-tell-him-not.html << warning, graphic image
1252915;1440622353;assbot;the shrunken head repair clinic & sacrificial brazier: Didn't This Guy's Mom Ever Tell Him Not to Bite Blasting Caps? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ejt90n )
1252916;1440622428;mats;this photo often shown in sapper training to remind joes not to bite the caps. used to be you'd do that to activate 'em
1252917;1440622434;mircea_popescu;oh wait, there's more. http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvhnzutgn7RqC7Zb5o1_1280.jpg
1252918;1440622435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EjtkbZ )
1252919;1440622582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00071215 = 6.9435 BTC [+] {5} 
1252920;1440622688;mats;http://www.lexpev.nl/images/m142usa2.jpg << nifty device
1252921;1440622689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EjtSyK )
1252922;1440622861;mats;http://www.cyterra.com/products/anpss14.htm << GPR/MD device. all sappers received instruction on operating this in initial training, starting in 2005 iirc
1252923;1440622863;assbot;L3 Communications - CyTerra Corporation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjPesA )
1252924;1440622932;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1252925;1440622945;ascii_field;l0l l3
1252926;1440622954;ascii_field;they own the ip range of the vampire tap (discussed earlier)
1252927;1440623253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2583 @ 0.00070032 = 1.8089 BTC [-]
1252928;1440624430;deedbot-;[Qntra] Trilema Publishes Bitcoin Competency Exam - http://qntra.net/2015/08/trilema-publishes-bitcoin-competency-exam/
1252929;1440624485;ascii_field;;;later tell thestringpuller the name was vitalik, not vitilak
1252930;1440624485;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1252931;1440624537;ascii_field;;;later tell thestringpuller 'have you believe' -> 'would have you believe' ?
1252932;1440624537;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1252933;1440624671;BingoBoingo;fxd
1252934;1440624778;mats;https://www.jkry.org/ouluhack/Toyota%20Touch%20%26%20Go
1252935;1440624780;assbot;Toyota Touch & Go - Tarlab Oulu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwvXmR )
1252936;1440626417;BingoBoingo;So meta: https://www.firerecruit.com/articles/1863329-7-reasons-fire-trucks-catch-fire
1252937;1440626418;assbot;7 reasons fire trucks catch fire ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwyuNM )
1252938;1440626741;trinque;PSA: I'm moving the blockchain for deedbot- to a larger volume, during which it will reject all deeds.
1252939;1440626748;trinque;back in action shortly
1252940;1440628321;thestringpuller;!up mitchell_callaha
1252941;1440628743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00070032 = 1.8909 BTC [-]
1252942;1440629460;trinque;^ back in action.
1252943;1440630579;mircea_popescu;wb
1252944;1440630749;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, is BetBet the most reccomended betting solution in a reddit thread? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ihtwt/this_is_the_most_reddit_sounding_thing_possible/
1252945;1440630751;assbot;This is the most reddit sounding thing possible, but how would you recommend I bet bitcoin that Bernie Sanders will win the election? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Klu0Pb )
1252946;1440631037;thestringpuller;i just saw that. they downvoted the betmoose recommendation.
1252947;1440631062;BingoBoingo;Prolly because it doesn't attract bettors, no one goes there.
1252948;1440631106;thestringpuller;yea i di enjoy baseball season on bitbet
1252949;1440631110;thestringpuller;do*
1252950;1440631391;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea actually, some election bets. when is it, nov ?
1252951;1440631418;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvh8c6wkdJi64baObo1_1280.png
1252952;1440631420;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hgffBq )
1252953;1440631569;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: November 2016. Primary season starts early 2016
1252954;1440631591;BingoBoingo;The two partie's nominees should be decided by this time 2016
1252955;1440632529;mircea_popescu;aha. kinda too soon yet huh
1252956;1440632734;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1252957;1440632823;BingoBoingo;Actually the party conventions are in July 2016, could have bets on the nominations open, but still rather early
1252958;1440632928;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1252959;1440633074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2688 @ 0.00070056 = 1.8831 BTC [+]
1252960;1440633681;BingoBoingo;If someone proposes and adequately funds a bet on a nominee I suppose there would be no reason not to open it.
1252961;1440634750;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1
1252962;1440634765;Duffer1;xt :/ wtf
1252963;1440634805;BingoBoingo;Eh, about a weeklong fad
1252964;1440634904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00070032 = 1.3306 BTC [-]
1252965;1440635270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00070032 = 3.4316 BTC [-]
1252966;1440635294;trinque;this "powder keg of anger" trend in the news causes me to anticipate the criminalization *of* anger.
1252967;1440635344;mats;https://grsecurity.net/announce.php
1252968;1440635346;assbot;grsecurity ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXsX1L )
1252969;1440635444;mats;>With that in mind, today's announcement is concerned with the future availability of our stable series of patches. We decided that it is unfair to our sponsors that the above mentioned unlawful players can get away with their activity. Therefore, two weeks from now, we will cease the public dissemination of the stable series and will make it available to
1252970;1440635444;mats;sponsors only.
1252971;1440635599;trinque;well that sucks.
1252972;1440635758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.000706 = 3.3535 BTC [+] {3} 
1252973;1440635840;trinque;kinda points to the idiocy of talking about software in terms of "rights" and "fair" too
1252974;1440635902;trinque;what's the cost of a secure(-ish) operating system? nobody knows
1252975;1440635910;trinque;rather, the price, I mean.
1252976;1440635983;trinque;actually, 200/mo isn't bad at all
1252977;1440636002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00070032 = 2.0309 BTC [-]
1252978;1440636002;trinque;I take it back. They're doing exactly what they should.
1252979;1440636026;trinque;if oddly indirect compared to just buying software
1252980;1440636307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00069843 = 3.7715 BTC [-] {3} 
1252981;1440636324;trinque;http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-joe-biden-not-sure-emotional-fuel-for-a-2016-election-bid/ << team blue falling apart before they even reach 2016
1252982;1440636325;assbot;Joe Biden not sure he has the "emotional fuel" for a bid - Election 2016 - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXvxEY )
1252983;1440636340;trinque;I guess Trump's the anointed one.
1252984;1440636356;asciilifeform;nah - clitler
1252985;1440636767;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1252969 <<< obligatory naggum >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923948
1252986;1440636767;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 00:30:44; mats: >With that in mind, today's announcement is concerned with the future availability of our stable series of patches. We decided that it is unfair to our sponsors that the above mentioned unlawful players can get away with their activity. Therefore, two weeks from now, we will cease the public dissemination of the stable series and will make it available to
1252987;1440636767;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 18:18:27; asciilifeform: l of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon.  It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need.  As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted 
1252988;1440636916;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You know soon we will get to find out Preet's feelings or lack thereof for Clitler
1252989;1440636927;*;asciilifeform has very little patience for peddlers of 'hardenings,' 'mitigations,' and other so-called 'solutions' which are guaranteed to advance the pestilence of non-fits-in-head
1252990;1440636938;trinque;they have plenty of time to destroy her yet.
1252991;1440636939;mats;i predicted both of these responses by asciilifeform
1252992;1440636946;mats;where do i collect my winnings
1252993;1440636951;BingoBoingo;Biden might though legitimately want to retire to the country and spend his days waxing his pontiac firebird
1252994;1440636959;asciilifeform;mats: at the international bank of obvious
1252995;1440637111;asciilifeform;i have very special hatred reserved for so-called 'hardening' because it is a sly and weasely psychological trick, which exploits the customary context of the word (as it pertains to, e.g., metallurgy) to support an entirely spurious analogy
1252996;1440637195;asciilifeform;in so far as there is greater complexity, there is greater 'attack surface,' and the result is in every sense softer, squishier, and more turdlike, rather than 'hardened'
1252997;1440637224;asciilifeform;even if it appear to address some familiar exploit.
1252998;1440637233;asciilifeform;*appears to
1252999;1440637344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00070076 = 3.2936 BTC [+]
1253000;1440637374;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1252966 << we aren't so far from one of the worlds of robert sheckley's stories, the ones with the 'normality meters' in public doorways
1253001;1440637374;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 00:28:14; trinque: this "powder keg of anger" trend in the news causes me to anticipate the criminalization *of* anger.
1253002;1440637446;asciilifeform;(doesn't need telepathic electronics, either. face recognizer vendors are sinking $maxint into detectors of 'hinky' (term of art - named after hinkley!) behaviour in crowds)
1253003;1440637449;trinque;aounds exactly like what I have in mind
1253004;1440637453;mats;for fans of anime, 'psycho pass' is kind of a ghost in the shell, minority report take on the 'normality meter'
1253005;1440637457;trinque;*sounds
1253006;1440637462;trinque;citizens with tendencies toward anger shall be required to wear a state-issued bracelet at all times, lest they become a danger to themselves and others.
1253007;1440637483;asciilifeform;first anger, then any deviation from bovinity conceivable.
1253008;1440637530;mats;i recommend watching it, its quite good
1253009;1440637542;trinque;mats: neat, I'll check both out.
1253010;1440637665;mats;'ghost in the shell' is about a world where 'cyberization', that is, replacement of virtually every organ except the brain, becomes affordable to some folks
1253011;1440637711;mats;the protagonist is a supah-hackah woman who was in an accident early in life and doesn't remember what its like to have a physical body
1253012;1440637893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00069822 = 3.0373 BTC [-] {3} 
1253013;1440637956;mats;'psycho pass' is about a japan where devices that can measure mental health are on every street corner, managed by an entity known as the 'sybil system' and enforced by public security. the focus of the story is a public security officer
1253014;1440638225;phf;i wish psycho pass didn't have such obvious animu art style, gives me unpleasant flashback to college
1253015;1440638245;mats;did the animu touch you in a bad place
1253016;1440638320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1461 @ 0.00075546 = 1.1037 BTC [-] {3} 
1253017;1440638328;trinque;I rather enjoy it when done well, not that I've seen that many.
1253018;1440638743;phf;yeah, the whole "nerd culture" bait and switch. i watched some anime growing up, mostly because cyberpunk, ghost in the shell, armitage, akira, so when moved here was somehow was also expected to enjoy shit like evangelion or what's that one with rubber guy
1253019;1440638759;phf;one piece
1253020;1440638787;phf;"hey, i see you have heard of movies, we also like movies you should watch movies with us"
1253021;1440638854;mats;lol
1253022;1440639207;asciilifeform;phf: ...  so when moved here was somehow was also expected to enjoy shit like evangelion <<< YES!
1253023;1440639220;asciilifeform;phf: my current understanding is that there are 2 basic types of 'anime'
1253024;1440639231;asciilifeform;one meant to be watched like a normal movie, and one with heavy lsd
1253025;1440639248;asciilifeform;(or idk how else even it might work.)
1253026;1440639357;mats;re: grsec post, apparently the offending corporation is Intel
1253027;1440639369;mats;bazinga
1253028;1440639372;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise.
1253029;1440639386;asciilifeform;though somewhat surprising that they have any involvement with a linux at all
1253030;1440639470;BingoBoingo;Linux is a buzzword, why wouldn't Intel try to exert control over it
1253031;1440639470;mats;apparently in relation to 'a product of a subsidiary', one 'Wild River Linux': https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10126648
1253032;1440639472;assbot;Looks like the product in question is Wind River Linux, a product of a subsidiar... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOK483 )
1253033;1440639482;asciilifeform;wind
1253034;1440639484;asciilifeform;river.
1253035;1440639489;mircea_popescu;mats really this market will narrow out.
1253036;1440639523;asciilifeform;mats: you know what they're famous for, no ?
1253037;1440639533;asciilifeform;!s wind river
1253038;1440639534;assbot;3 results for 'wind river' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wind+river
1253039;1440639551;mats;IoT thingies?
1253040;1440639575;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#910548 << most recently.
1253041;1440639575;assbot;Logged on 05-11-2014 03:54:30; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wind-river-security-crypto.pdf << what wind river was dinged for
1253042;1440639601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.0006979 = 11.1315 BTC [-] {2} 
1253043;1440639609;mats;ha... 750k
1253044;1440639627;asciilifeform;and, iirc, earlier, involvement with the sco scumbags
1253045;1440639646;phf;asciilifeform: it's a cargo cult. my understanding is that japanese use manga as illustrated prose. situation with japanese culture in u.s. american u.s. culture around anime/manga is essentially "let's read furniture assembly manuals, then read some yukio mishima, then watch cellphone instructional video for 12 yr/old girls, because superior culture of japan!"
1253046;1440639674;mircea_popescu;<mats> did the animu touch you in a bad place << bwahaha
1253047;1440639675;BingoBoingo;RE: 'Murica's decline http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-vehicles-for-obese-drivers-for-2013.html
1253048;1440639676;assbot;Top 10 Best Vehicles for Obese Drivers for 2013 - Edmunds.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOKiMt )
1253049;1440639687;mircea_popescu;segway on list ?
1253050;1440639701;asciilifeform;segway is best vehicle for vertical earthwise travel.
1253051;1440639704;BingoBoingo;Nope, doesn't carry enough weight, also requires standing
1253052;1440639705;asciilifeform;as demonstrated by ceo.
1253053;1440639712;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1253054;1440639713;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VQ57EZ.txt )
1253055;1440639728;mircea_popescu;there's this ancient segway story from the early days of bitcoin
1253056;1440639734;mircea_popescu;back when amir was a "core developer"
1253057;1440639756;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#569437
1253058;1440639756;assbot;Logged on 20-03-2014 03:08:11; asciilifeform: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns/world_news-europe/t/segway-company-owner-rides-scooter-cliff-dies/
1253059;1440639780;BingoBoingo;lol
1253060;1440639796;mircea_popescu;;;google "Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)"
1253061;1440639797;gribble;Bram Cohen, inventor of BitTorrent: "Having met peter todd in ...: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zkkj9/bram_cohen_inventor_of_bittorrent_having_met/>; the of to a and in that is for on it with as was he his - Free Document ...: <http://www.downhi.com/word/YDWCCilJ2M1K.txt>
1253062;1440639803;mircea_popescu;lolz
1253063;1440639842;asciilifeform;l0l, whizzardz!
1253064;1440639849;*;asciilifeform reads their logz on occasion
1253065;1440639887;mircea_popescu;you probably read the fucking eskimo book of the dead, on occasion.
1253066;1440639895;asciilifeform;occasion.
1253067;1440639941;asciilifeform;get the walrus-skin binding, if available.
1253068;1440640031;mircea_popescu;you know, plural of walrus should be walroi
1253069;1440640040;asciilifeform;i usually 'walri'
1253070;1440640040;mircea_popescu;wtf is this walrus"es" bs.
1253071;1440640049;BingoBoingo;Wal-Roy
1253072;1440640068;mircea_popescu;next to wal-fart, the largest employer in america!
1253073;1440640143;asciilifeform;mallfart.
1253074;1440640169;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67199.msg1100157#msg1100157
1253075;1440640171;assbot;Bitcoin Conference 2012- London 15-16 Sept | ANNOUNCEMENT sponsorship available! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOKSd1 )
1253076;1440640243;mats;curiously, INTC took a ~10% dive in the two weeks following the publication of 'Intel Subsidiary Agrees to 750k Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports'
1253077;1440640274;asciilifeform;'750k plus a light tap by the fed on the brake pedal'
1253078;1440640323;asciilifeform;reminds me of my crackpot hypothesis that the 47 megabux '419sp4mz0red away' by ubiquiti corp. is actually a secret fine levied by nsa star chamber
1253079;1440640340;mats;750k shouldn't even sting. in fact, i'd think their stock _would go up_ following the closure of the matter and such a light settlement
1253080;1440640352;asciilifeform;and that outrageous losses by public american corps are in fact results of gag order
1253081;1440640369;asciilifeform;and the fact that ~something~ must be said,
1253082;1440640381;asciilifeform;because shareholders' pocket calculators don't respond to gag orders (yet.)
1253083;1440640435;mircea_popescu;the soviets did outright steal from the various coops, entreprises scl towards the end
1253084;1440640444;asciilifeform;where else.
1253085;1440640444;mircea_popescu;so perhaps.
1253086;1440640448;mircea_popescu;exactly
1253087;1440640454;mircea_popescu;circulating capital.
1253088;1440640471;mircea_popescu;so this shop sells dried fruit. omfg it's good.
1253089;1440640480;mircea_popescu;sundried peaches. mangoes. you name it.
1253090;1440640674;asciilifeform;24k btc !
1253091;1440640676;asciilifeform;woah.
1253092;1440640702;*;asciilifeform had an early but astonishingly (likely beyond anybody here's belief) introduction to bitcoin
1253093;1440640717;asciilifeform; astonishingly asocial ^^^^
1253094;1440640748;asciilifeform;was interested, for instance, in mining, but at no point contemplated buying anything or paying anyone to do it
1253095;1440640757;mircea_popescu;24 hm ?
1253096;1440640760;asciilifeform;so missed all of this hilarious 2012 drama
1253097;1440640764;mircea_popescu;oh. yeah.
1253098;1440640767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was reading BingoBoingo's link
1253099;1440640775;*;BingoBoingo too the asocial introduction to BTC route as well
1253100;1440640791;trinque;I found out about bitcoin when a friend of mine mentioned he'd lost 136 on an encrypted hard drive for which he lost the keys.
1253101;1440640825;asciilifeform;trinque: he still has it ?
1253102;1440640829;asciilifeform;trinque: 'cause i'll buy it.
1253103;1440640891;trinque;no, idiot reformatted it and put music or movies on it if I recall.
1253104;1440640898;asciilifeform;eh.
1253105;1440640934;asciilifeform;hint for anybody contemplating this line of adventure: ~don't~ ask 'encrypted how' before bidding.
1253106;1440640941;asciilifeform;reveals information to adversary for free.
1253107;1440640957;asciilifeform;but perhaps this is obvious.
1253108;1440641102;kakobrekla;i also know a guy who lost bout that much on a week old ssd - controller dead
1253109;1440641111;asciilifeform;would also buy.
1253110;1440641179;asciilifeform;why didn't kakobrekla buy it!
1253111;1440641203;trinque;that one sounds way more salvageable
1253112;1440641290;kakobrekla;if you think the trick with replacing the controller with another from same model will work - it will not.
1253113;1440641299;asciilifeform;i know very well that it does not.
1253114;1440641353;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: what one does in such a case is to lift the nands
1253115;1440641408;mats;and then?
1253116;1440641412;asciilifeform;(and no, restoring the contents, once they are resoldered onto something built for the occasion, is not trivial - need to reconstruct the 'wear-leveling' scheme)
1253117;1440641435;asciilifeform;but this is a much easier way to earn 100+ btc than nearly anything else.
1253118;1440641456;kakobrekla;well, not in 2012 or whenever it happened.
1253119;1440641465;kakobrekla;2011 even perhaps.
1253120;1440641467;asciilifeform;today.
1253121;1440641478;kakobrekla;well - you know why kako didnt buy.
1253122;1440641497;BingoBoingo;because car?
1253123;1440641505;asciilifeform;because 100btc were lying on the pavement in those days...
1253124;1440641509;kakobrekla;aha.
1253125;1440641787;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/08/flash-boys-050.pdf << many lulz >> http://dpaste.com/1ECRSC1
1253126;1440641789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KONgQV )
1253127;1440641791;assbot;dpaste: 1ECRSC1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KONeZt )
1253128;1440641837;asciilifeform;^ concerns organized mass whining re: 'high frequency traders'
1253129;1440642102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00071098 = 4.8702 BTC [+] {5} 
1253130;1440642705;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commits/master << check out how a github project of "code handed from above" looks.
1253131;1440642716;mircea_popescu;they dumped it, after which they fixed two typos in five weeks.
1253132;1440642743;BingoBoingo;Oh, gitrub is down here
1253133;1440642758;BingoBoingo;"The page isn't redirecting properly"
1253134;1440642799;mircea_popescu;odd.
1253135;1440642902;BingoBoingo;Well, china is DDoSing them again...
1253136;1440642962;BingoBoingo;Github reportedly mitigated that quickly this time. Could be fresh DDoS or maybe BGP shennanigans
1253137;1440643323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00070125 = 1.8934 BTC [-]
1253138;1440643332;mircea_popescu;so i'm comissioning a commemorative drawing of the defeat of the xt,
1253139;1440643338;mircea_popescu;and i got a coupla spots to fill in hell.
1253140;1440643340;mircea_popescu;anyone care to suggest ?
1253141;1440643358;BingoBoingo;Stingray raping Hearn?
1253142;1440643373;mircea_popescu;obviously he'd be in there. suggest whom i might have overlooked.
1253143;1440643395;BingoBoingo;No, I'm more concerned with suggesting the stingray getting its rape on.
1253144;1440643397;BingoBoingo;Ver?
1253145;1440643424;mircea_popescu;ver is involved ?!
1253146;1440643432;BingoBoingo;e tweeted support
1253147;1440643437;mircea_popescu;i thought he was in customs detention
1253148;1440643453;mircea_popescu;anyway, im not beating [too many] dead horses.
1253149;1440643455;BingoBoingo;No, he was jsut barred entry
1253150;1440643579;BingoBoingo;Ver barred entry in much the way I am barred exit (for nao)
1253151;1440643660;mircea_popescu;fu8cking ridiculous, no actual names in favour to be found.
1253152;1440643666;mircea_popescu;gavin, dyke, and that's ite.
1253153;1440643681;BingoBoingo;Well Conde Nast et al in the media
1253154;1440643720;BingoBoingo;There's also the letter of 8 companies sharing a bunch of VC's who wrote about supporting XT without saying XT
1253155;1440643756;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to dig in that shitpile.
1253156;1440643773;mircea_popescu;a you know what ? i'm putting murck in there.
1253157;1440643780;mircea_popescu;because fuck your stupid mother, you idiot you.
1253158;1440643835;BingoBoingo;Lotta atroturf, few actual names I've cared to remember beyond the two An heroes for XT's cause
1253159;1440643995;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1253160;1440643999;BingoBoingo;I mean there's unknown reddit derps including a few who shilled for mining scams before.
1253161;1440644163;BingoBoingo;Really gotta go to fucks like Ver to get recognizable names
1253162;1440644177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070224 = 1.4045 BTC [+]
1253163;1440644299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3288 @ 0.00070165 = 2.307 BTC [-] {3} 
1253164;1440644341;BingoBoingo;"addr" : "128.8.124.7:34971" << Another "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/"
1253165;1440644641;BingoBoingo;!up bekusoraru
1253166;1440644665;BingoBoingo;'Introduce yourself bekusoraru
1253167;1440645349;asciilifeform;<BingoBoingo> "addr" : "128.8.124.7:34971" << Another "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/" << elaine shi & co
1253168;1440645359;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> fu8cking ridiculous, no actual names in favour to be found. << andreesen ?
1253169;1440645393;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> so i'm comissioning a commemorative drawing of the defeat of the xt, << it was defeated ?!
1253170;1440645631;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253130 << appears to be mostly identical to gavin's pile o'shit
1253171;1440645631;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 02:31:45; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commits/master << check out how a github project of "code handed from above" looks.
1253172;1440645727;BingoBoingo;lol Auracoin http://www.econotimes.com/Bitfilm-starts-crowdfunding-campaign-for-%E2%80%9CSatoshis-Last-Will%E2%80%9D-80649
1253173;1440645728;assbot;Bitfilm starts crowdfunding campaign for “Satoshis Last Will” - EconoTimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxCOQF )
1253174;1440645885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1470 @ 0.00070308 = 1.0335 BTC [+]
1253175;1440645885;*;asciilifeform contemplates 'pools are a fatal bug
1253176;1440645887;asciilifeform;'
1253177;1440645895;asciilifeform;esp. in light of last night's thread, and of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230072
1253178;1440645895;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit.
1253179;1440646123;mircea_popescu;pools are a bug. fatal... dunno
1253180;1440646168;asciilifeform;guess we find out soon, neh ?
1253181;1440646178;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1253182;1440646208;bekusoraru;my segway does 120 vert. i fucked the landing, now i am hurt.
1253183;1440646262;asciilifeform;and they're a bug not merely in the hearnia-enabling sense. but in a philosophical sense - dollars to doughnuts it was the existence of the pool, of derps-mattering-in-the-aggregate-and-knowing-it, that bred many of the socio-psychiatric ills of 2011-present btc
1253184;1440646314;*;asciilifeform was thinking of only this while being eaten alive by mosquitoes
1253185;1440646429;BingoBoingo;They are definitely a bug satoshi missed when he wrote up mining attached nodes.
1253186;1440646445;mircea_popescu;eh, get out of here. you should have been here earlier, back when someone being in btc was 50-50 they're pedos too.
1253187;1440646474;asciilifeform;l0l i thought there was just that one
1253188;1440646487;asciilifeform;pierce something-or-other
1253189;1440646504;BingoBoingo;Eh, I went back and read the "don't run bitcoin on a VPS because you will get bounced for CPU usage"
1253190;1440646530;BingoBoingo;So much archaeology
1253191;1440646540;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> pierce something-or-other << Also the Wagner guy
1253192;1440646861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00070509 = 2.4326 BTC [+] {3} 
1253193;1440647060;BingoBoingo;Pierce as a child https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/FirstKidfilm.jpg
1253194;1440647061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3pM3R )
1253195;1440647116;BingoBoingo;related https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--L_8Y8Hqy--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1402943634426404784.jpg
1253196;1440647117;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3pRo3 )
1253197;1440647349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2156 @ 0.00070308 = 1.5158 BTC [-]
1253198;1440647715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00070028 = 4.4118 BTC [-] {4} 
1253199;1440647908;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/#comment-115148 << mega-reply
1253200;1440647909;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume II on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx44Lt )
1253201;1440648171;BingoBoingo;It's been a while. Lotta no sync'd connected to me atm http://dpaste.com/1392AJG
1253202;1440648173;assbot;dpaste: 1392AJG ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3rFNL )
1253203;1440648391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah i suspect not what he was expecting
1253204;1440648410;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/09cd63aebc65245c84a0df25b7c31992/tumblr_nq6ymhVYSU1t1pbfjo2_400.gif
1253205;1440648411;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx4qS8 )
1253206;1440648447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2768 @ 0.00070473 = 1.9507 BTC [+] {3} 
1253207;1440648457;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: admittedly i have precious little notion of what these folks expect. what does ant expect under the magifying glass ?
1253208;1440648471;asciilifeform;*magnifying
1253209;1440648479;mircea_popescu;what is this terrorism
1253210;1440648487;mircea_popescu;ant came over for tea.
1253211;1440648492;mircea_popescu;isn't the world ant tea-rarium ?
1253212;1440648515;asciilifeform;yes. and it serves tea.
1253213;1440648518;asciilifeform;with polonium.
1253214;1440648773;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://static.neatorama.com/images/2007-02/car-exhaust-vacuum.jpg
1253215;1440648774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3sLco )
1253216;1440648853;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: neato
1253217;1440648905;*;BingoBoingo knows why not airbox vacuum, but wonders why was never marketed
1253218;1440649090;mircea_popescu;and in the daily wtf, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e6162db4ba8b2f7a27bc51d7c1956aae/tumblr_np4xlt3inS1un97axo2_1280.jpg
1253219;1440649091;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx4XUn )
1253220;1440649199;BingoBoingo;Not WTF, normal medical procedure.
1253221;1440649234;BingoBoingo;^ Also asciilifeform looks like one of your filipinos
1253222;1440650655;lobbes;lol, "©NozWiz"
1253223;1440650699;mircea_popescu;here's one for alf. http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvh34elmdBxhE59Cxo1_1280.jpg
1253224;1440650700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx6lpP )
1253225;1440650887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00070723 = 2.4753 BTC [+] {3} 
1253226;1440651139;mircea_popescu;an' i got one for BingoBoingo too. http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvgyzohzwqa0g6SZao1_1280.jpg
1253227;1440651141;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx6BFw )
1253228;1440651924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00069911 = 2.4119 BTC [-] {4} 
1253229;1440652778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00071192 = 3.9512 BTC [+] {3} 
1253230;1440654547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0006978 = 3.6286 BTC [-] {2} 
1253231;1440654852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00069638 = 3.4123 BTC [-] {2} 
1253232;1440656926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00069638 = 4.4568 BTC [-]
1253233;1440657292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0007017 = 6.4556 BTC [+] {3} 
1253234;1440658573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00069638 = 3.656 BTC [-]
1253235;1440661114;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252784 <<< yet down under people believe a borderline retard was able to shoot up port arthur like a total fucking crack commando.. anyway this guy could've used a gopro instead of mobile phone
1253236;1440661114;assbot;Logged on 26-08-2015 20:05:56; trinque: squeezed off 3-4 at <10ft? target runs away?
1253237;1440665100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4955 @ 0.00069638 = 3.4506 BTC [-]
1253238;1440666808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00069638 = 1.6713 BTC [-]
1253239;1440666859;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/Y33pn0E.jpg
1253240;1440666859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnTCJ8 )
1253241;1440667296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00069638 = 2.1588 BTC [-]
1253242;1440668477;cazalla;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/25/social-recluse-made-300000-in-internet-scam-run-from-his-bedroom
1253243;1440668478;assbot;Social recluse made £300,000 in internet scam run from his bedroom | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnUP3f )
1253244;1440669265;cazalla;back to that mr robot, ugly yet sexy body asian 3d printing lady for a moment.. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mr-robot-finale-postponed-plot-817951
1253245;1440669266;assbot;'Mr. Robot' Finale Postponed Over Plot Similarity to Virginia TV Shooting - Hollywood Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnVzFA )
1253246;1440669309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00069964 = 3.7081 BTC [+] {2} 
1253247;1440670346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00070062 = 3.8534 BTC [+]
1253248;1440670651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1467 @ 0.00070344 = 1.0319 BTC [+] {2} 
1253249;1440671200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3151 @ 0.00070496 = 2.2213 BTC [+]
1253250;1440672054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00069726 = 3.556 BTC [-] {4} 
1253251;1440672725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00070616 = 3.2483 BTC [+] {2} 
1253252;1440673701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00070666 = 2.8266 BTC [+] {3} 
1253253;1440674250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2699 @ 0.00069666 = 1.8803 BTC [-] {3} 
1253254;1440674433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00070762 = 1.486 BTC [+]
1253255;1440674860;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-26/how-a-one-man-etf-shop-attracted-1-4-billion-in-just-8-months?cmpid=twtr1
1253256;1440674860;assbot;How a One-Man ETF Shop Attracted $1.4 Billion in Just 8 Months - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJrwLu )
1253257;1440675012;punkman;http://www.pureetfs.com/etfs/hack.html
1253258;1440675013;assbot;PureFunds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jl7wJQ )
1253259;1440675591;punkman;http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/sanford-wallace-pleads-guilty-spamming-facebook-users-and-disobeying-court-order
1253260;1440675592;assbot;Sanford Wallace Pleads Guilty To Spamming Facebook Users And Disobeying A Court Order | USAO-NDCA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jl9av8 )
1253261;1440675619;punkman;http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-executive-pleads-guilty-conspiring-bribe-panamanian-officials
1253262;1440675620;assbot;Former Executive Pleads Guilty To Conspiring To Bribe Panamanian Officials | USAO-NDCA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jl9iut )
1253263;1440676015;punkman;hah http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-Made_in_the_USA.jpg
1253264;1440676020;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jlan5I )
1253265;1440676151;punkman;http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-240mil1.jpg
1253266;1440676154;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJt6NF )
1253267;1440676166;punkman;http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-240mil2.jpg
1253268;1440676171;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJt7kt )
1253269;1440676186;punkman;http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/EconEspionage-USB_Port1.jpg
1253270;1440676189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJtawL )
1253271;1440676203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00069638 = 1.8802 BTC [-]
1253272;1440676444;shinohai;wow
1253273;1440676459;shinohai;such propoganda
1253274;1440676461;punkman;the first one was the best
1253275;1440676507;punkman;http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/2001dualback_poster_100.jpg
1253276;1440676510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlbG4q )
1253277;1440676753;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-27/heard-of-china-s-fake-rolexes-now-there-s-a-fake-goldman-sachs
1253278;1440676753;assbot;Heard of China’s Fake Rolexes? Now There’s a Fake Goldman Sachs - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJtGLc )
1253279;1440676881;punkman;http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cpg/5191992665.html
1253280;1440676882;assbot;Webmaster Intern / Partner for a new Business Development Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJtPOS )
1253281;1440677486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2696 @ 0.00069739 = 1.8802 BTC [+]
1253282;1440679438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00070512 = 3.3155 BTC [+]
1253283;1440679621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00070337 = 1.1957 BTC [-] {3} 
1253284;1440679987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00070545 = 2.0458 BTC [+]
1253285;1440680414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00070675 = 2.6857 BTC [+] {2} 
1253286;1440680963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9589 @ 0.00070762 = 6.7854 BTC [+]
1253287;1440682061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00070774 = 2.5479 BTC [+] {2} 
1253288;1440682302;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3il1qw/new_bitcoincom_design_makes_it_look_like_cheap/
1253289;1440682303;assbot;New bitcoin.com design makes it look like cheap scam... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWuQ3O )
1253290;1440683464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0007085 = 2.9757 BTC [+] {2} 
1253291;1440684063;mircea_popescu;shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/Y33pn0E.jpg << ain't nobody's fault white people suck.
1253292;1440684064;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnTCJ8 )
1253293;1440684171;mircea_popescu;assbot: New bitcoin.com design makes it look like cheap scam <<< because.... it .... is .
1253294;1440684183;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thought bitcoin.com was not a cheap scam at any point.
1253295;1440684318;mircea_popescu;"This will quickly change if you are one of us." << heh, check it out, dude wants slaves an' doesn't even know it. because a) slavery is not a thing in the us, right, the idea just came to him out of nowhere, not out of watching the sv muppets and making the next teeeny tinsy incremental stop and b) it's a really fucking great idea to go slave for a dude that doesn't even know that's what it is. 2nd best after going fo
1253296;1440684318;mircea_popescu;r a ride with some guy who doesn't know that's what you call it when you "push pedals in the car and stuff". what could possibly go wrong, other than everything (and you'll get blamed for it).
1253297;1440685078;shinohai;slavers gonna slave
1253298;1440685111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00070389 = 1.3726 BTC [-]
1253299;1440685218;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253275 << somebody could achieve great lulz by making a similar poster, featuring just as many folks who have raped usg and are still laughing all the way to the bank - the 'indicted' chinese army folks, bogachev, buncha others
1253300;1440685218;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 11:55:07; punkman: http://www.ncsc.gov/images/publications/posters/2001dualback_poster_100.jpg
1253301;1440685518;asciilifeform;http://www.coindesk.com/btcchina-support-gives-bip-100-bitcoin-hashrate-majority << ph0rk
1253302;1440685519;assbot;BTCChina Support Gives BIP 100 Bitcoin Hashrate Majority ... ( http://bit.ly/1Emwk7T )
1253303;1440685588;asciilifeform;srsly, the good cop/bad cop algo in use with the two 'bips' couldn't be more obvious
1253304;1440685749;fluffypony;yeah, but BIP 100 is still the lesser of two evils
1253305;1440685811;asciilifeform;fluffypony: in the same sense as being anally expanded with a baseball bat is lesser evil vs. same with telephone pole
1253306;1440685818;fluffypony;lol
1253307;1440685954;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-08-2015#1251870 << by all indications, they ~are~
1253308;1440685954;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2015 17:26:07; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that.
1253309;1440686275;thestringpuller;Not getting anally expanded at all is the ideal solution. Although it reminds me of the South Park game where you have to give Randy a fake abortion in which you abort one of his turds as to prove you are a doctor and he is a lady getting an abortion. Don't think this relevant...but you know.
1253310;1440686614;kakobrekla;>BTCChina will vote for a 2MB limit < afaik bitfury said same
1253311;1440686636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00071031 = 3.9422 BTC [+] {3} 
1253312;1440686683;kakobrekla;ofc there that difference of talking the path and walking the path.
1253313;1440687063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00070111 = 1.8579 BTC [-]
1253314;1440687551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5014 @ 0.00070062 = 3.5129 BTC [-] {3} 
1253315;1440687978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00071101 = 4.8704 BTC [+] {3} 
1253316;1440688466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2305 @ 0.00071189 = 1.6409 BTC [+] {2} 
1253317;1440689107;kakobrekla;speaking of segways https://video-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xtf1/v/t43.1792-2/11401912_10153582485911323_1753870945_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNH0%3D&rl=1500&vabr=835&oh=3e15a2f50bcdf56ceea84d1a457363d1&oe=55DF4A52
1253318;1440689199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00071259 = 8.9074 BTC [+]
1253319;1440689686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00071389 = 6.782 BTC [+] {3} 
1253320;1440689930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00070025 = 3.1511 BTC [-]
1253321;1440690601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00071384 = 3.0695 BTC [+] {3} 
1253322;1440691486;punkman;so this morning I call the closest laptop repair shop off the yellow pages, tell the guy I need so-and-so repaired and X,Y,Z removed. "you should come by so I can take a look at it", "I can come by this afternoon, will you have time to work on it while I'm there?" "yes".
1253323;1440691577;punkman;I went, agreed to price that was approaching cost of laptop, then he passes me a fucking form to fill out. "I'm not leaving the machine here, I have to be present" "oh never mind then, I can't help you".
1253324;1440691591;punkman;from the business in Luxor department.
1253325;1440692858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3640 @ 0.00070025 = 2.5489 BTC [-]
1253326;1440693110;punkman;https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/08/17/raspberry-pi-hang-instruction/
1253327;1440693111;assbot;Raspberry PI hang instruction | NowSecure Blogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PADy8v )
1253328;1440693530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00070723 = 4.8799 BTC [+] {2} 
1253329;1440694139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00071419 = 4.3566 BTC [+] {2} 
1253330;1440694444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00070025 = 2.2716 BTC [-]
1253331;1440695542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00070636 = 1.8365 BTC [+]
1253332;1440695627;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1253333;1440695797;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253326 << 'halt and catch fire' !
1253334;1440695797;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 16:31:50; punkman: https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/08/17/raspberry-pi-hang-instruction/
1253335;1440695959;mats;ascii_field: have you ever actually looked at grsec mitigations?
1253336;1440696026;ascii_field;mats: aha
1253337;1440696263;funkenstein_;http://www.theonion.com/video/onion-explains-global-nuclear-proliferation-51191  <--  support for http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
1253338;1440696264;assbot;Onion Explains: Global Nuclear Proliferation​ - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1EZXWKE )
1253339;1440696265;assbot;I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EZXUCF )
1253340;1440696390;mats;it seems log.b-a is dropping stuff, i can't find things from e.g. 02APR2015
1253341;1440696410;mats;whos on that? mthreat?
1253342;1440696518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00070636 = 2.7195 BTC [+]
1253343;1440696520;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNWXJmJWsAAiYna.jpg
1253344;1440696520;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAjt1R )
1253345;1440696561;mats;anyway... [2015-04-02 16:59:20] <asciilifeform> mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. << UDEREF is about exploitation, not constraining the kernel
1253346;1440696624;mats;did quite a bit of reading today into various linux mitigations and it seems you didn't get that selinux/grsec RBAC are fundamentally about constraining usermode
1253347;1440696649;ascii_field;mats: i know what they are nominally about, yes
1253348;1440696715;mats;i'd also like to know what mitigations you think increase attack surface
1253349;1440696728;ascii_field;mats: that's easy: any and all of them which add complexity
1253350;1440696742;ascii_field;that is, add lines of code, or add effort necessary to understand per-line
1253351;1440696761;mats;does this exclude all of the compile time stuff?
1253352;1440696771;ascii_field;includes everything.
1253353;1440696785;ascii_field;everything that i might ever need to be exposed to to understand the whole of the system.
1253354;1440696795;ascii_field;and you don't get to say that i should not wish to do this.
1253355;1440696855;ascii_field;and by 'understand' i mean - if necessary - to recreate from piles of atoms sorted by mendeleev table position.
1253356;1440696972;mats;so: chroot, perf, ptrace hardening? increases complexity in your opinion?
1253357;1440696988;ascii_field;variably. but yes, they do.
1253358;1440696996;ascii_field;aslr certainly does
1253359;1440697125;mats;saying complexity increases to attack surface is a simplification at best and misleading at worst
1253360;1440697128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2430 @ 0.00070021 = 1.7015 BTC [-] {2} 
1253361;1440697140;mats;complexity increases attack surface*
1253362;1440697154;ascii_field;but it does.
1253363;1440697318;ascii_field;mats: what's more, if this isn't immediately obvious, your concept of 'attack surface' is broken.
1253364;1440697339;mats;it is deceptively obvious.
1253365;1440697636;mats;there is a quantitative approach that can be taken, lets say:
1253366;1440697681;mats;the whole of the kernel's static call graph, and all possible entry points an attacker can utilize
1253367;1440697701;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1253368;1440697705;mats;and then there's the much less measurable thing i presume you're talking about, which is those leaks that result from 'fits in head'
1253369;1440697708;ascii_field;mats: no.
1253370;1440697717;mats;or rather, an inability to
1253371;1440697721;ascii_field;and my measure is exquisitely measurable
1253372;1440697744;mats;what then? klocs?
1253373;1440697745;ascii_field;how many bits of info it would take to teach a martian to build a copy of the machine.
1253374;1440697758;ascii_field;(assuming he knows of semiconduction and that's more or less it)
1253375;1440697772;mats;you make this so difficult
1253376;1440697785;ascii_field;exquisitely easy.
1253377;1440697788;ascii_field;and weasel-proof.
1253378;1440697866;mats;why not suggest something that can actually be modeled
1253379;1440697877;ascii_field;i did.
1253380;1440697921;ascii_field;why should i let you set the ground rules ? i understand how transistor works, how vlsi is carried out; how to build cpu. why should i accept the idiocy soup as the bedrock abstraction ?
1253381;1440697982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00069911 = 3.0761 BTC [-]
1253382;1440698116;mats;because the way i see it, the thing that you describe maintains fluid form precisely to resist any kind of meaningful description
1253383;1440698195;ascii_field;mats: i have often named historical examples of 'fits in head.' but you choose to ignore them. why ?
1253384;1440698212;ascii_field;e.g. minix-1. msdos. bk-0010.
1253385;1440698653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00069863 = 8.6281 BTC [-]
1253386;1440698777;mats;i'm bowled over by the thought that you believe that e.g. the 'msdos' security model is a good idea
1253387;1440698806;ascii_field;mats: don't conflate 'msdos complexity' for 'msdos security model'
1253388;1440698859;ascii_field;not to mention that 'msdos security' - if the thing is used as prescribed, single-task, non-networked apparatus - is very hard to beat.
1253389;1440698983;mats;despite living in a world where there are many computers to a person, folks still understandably want to be able to run more than a single application per computer
1253390;1440698997;ascii_field;'consumers have come to expect !!!11!!!'
1253391;1440699021;mats;now who is conflating what
1253392;1440699141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1564 @ 0.00069911 = 1.0934 BTC [+]
1253393;1440699159;ascii_field;mats: picture if you had the unenviable task of teaching africans not to drink their own shit. now imagine you show up at the village and say, 'one must dig latrine pit on other side of the village from the well'. and they answer,
1253394;1440699177;ascii_field;'folks still understandably want to drink water wherever they find it, and not have to walk far to the shitter'
1253395;1440699263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00069911 = 2.7615 BTC [+]
1253396;1440699341;mats;i am mindfucked by your argumentation and have nothing left to share
1253397;1440699483;deedbot-;[Qntra] Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork - http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/
1253398;1440699484;mats;this represents such a regression in so many ways i am unable to count them
1253399;1440699513;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1253400;1440699594;ascii_field;mats: it is possible to build computer which ~genuinely~ isolates processes. just like it is possible to build indoor plumbing which reliably separates shitwater and drinking water.
1253401;1440699601;ascii_field;but you have to actually want to do this.
1253402;1440699624;ascii_field;it is of course much easier to drink shit while mumbling mitigat^H^H^Hincantations to the gods
1253403;1440699661;BingoBoingo;Versaille was a regression from do not shit in residence without removing shit.
1253404;1440699688;trinque;speaking as a fool, this seems like two gentlemen talking entirely at crossways. on the one hand, what do I do with all these monstrous linux machines I'm already using? (perhaps tape, if you have nothing else) and on the other hand, what would I build to replace the whole mess
1253405;1440699705;trinque;but isn't that right there in the word "mitigation"
1253406;1440699718;trinque;obviously rendering the thing mitigated impossible is better.
1253407;1440699830;ascii_field;trinque: specifically concerning process separation - the thing to do with existing machines is - 1 per task.
1253408;1440699838;ascii_field;equivalent of well/latrine separation
1253409;1440699847;ascii_field;and this is discussed in mircea_popescu's 'airgap' article.
1253410;1440699875;trinque;I can see that point; we spoke of the human fuel gauge scenario recently
1253411;1440699931;trinque;or the person sitting with a serial terminal allowing or denying messages enter/exit the system
1253412;1440699934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00069911 = 2.6566 BTC [+]
1253413;1440699936;trinque;*of the
1253414;1440700387;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253235 << the americans who stopped the guy shooting up a train in france received their legion of honor medals in...
1253415;1440700387;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 07:38:34; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252784 <<< yet down under people believe a borderline retard was able to shoot up port arthur like a total fucking crack commando.. anyway this guy could've used a gopro instead of mobile phone
1253416;1440700389;ben_vulpes;khakis and polos.
1253417;1440700544;gernika;BingoBoingo: not sure if "compromise" vs. "comprise" was intentional or not.  Also seems like the sentence starting with "As particulars..." is missing something.  re: http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/
1253418;1440700545;assbot;Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ell7E5 )
1253419;1440700643;BingoBoingo;gernika: intentional, fixed
1253420;1440701040;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The heir apparent. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/27/the-heir-apparent/
1253421;1440701276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3785 @ 0.00069745 = 2.6398 BTC [-] {3} 
1253422;1440701283;thestringpuller;"Processing triggers for systemd" << i throw up when I see this at work
1253423;1440701424;thestringpuller;;;later tell pete_dushenski Congratulations on the spawn! :D
1253424;1440701424;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1253425;1440701707;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Major props on the cloning effort
1253426;1440701707;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1253427;1440701825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3196 @ 0.00069911 = 2.2344 BTC [+]
1253428;1440701886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.0006966 = 3.3075 BTC [-] {4} 
1253429;1440702295;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/27/1ac5da6a88bf122fd5f9d82833075191.jpg
1253430;1440702297;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIFUG1 )
1253431;1440702679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6835 @ 0.00070266 = 4.8027 BTC [+] {3} 
1253432;1440702949;kakobrekla;"you spell like a girl"
1253433;1440702961;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, boss
1253434;1440702961;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1253435;1440703777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1684 @ 0.00070532 = 1.1878 BTC [+]
1253436;1440703832;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253340 < log ? impossibru
1253437;1440703832;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 17:26:30; mats: it seems log.b-a is dropping stuff, i can't find things from e.g. 02APR2015
1253438;1440704077;punkman;http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/25/homeland-security-raids-rentboycom
1253439;1440704080;assbot;Homeland Security Raids Rentboy.com - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EnbmWl )
1253440;1440704199;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNb2NMIWIAEwjn2.jpg
1253441;1440704199;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EnbBRc )
1253442;1440704249;punkman;https://twitter.com/BurgerKing_GT/status/636967104944672768
1253443;1440704573;kakobrekla;as for the search, i know of at least one reasons that it should be resynced fully
1253444;1440704930;mircea_popescu;!up moonpunter
1253445;1440704947;moonpunter;ty
1253446;1440704985;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1253447;1440704988;moonpunter;what is assbot looking for, if i manage my keys with enigmail?
1253448;1440705003;moonpunter;paul madore
1253449;1440705007;mircea_popescu;it checks sks iirc.
1253450;1440705013;mircea_popescu;is your key listed ?
1253451;1440705023;moonpunter;one sec
1253452;1440705057;moonpunter;i just uploaded it there a few minutes ago. probably have to wait a bit.
1253453;1440705067;mircea_popescu;and jesus god trilema comments are something else. at the same time there's a woman telling me how incredibly right i was, and some derp telling me how incredibly wrong ~i'm going to be~. pointless and witless on parade, neverending, eternal.
1253454;1440705077;mircea_popescu;moonpunter give it like half hour or something yea.
1253455;1440705098;moonpunter;funkenstein_ might vouch/rate me :)
1253456;1440705105;moonpunter;in the meantime
1253457;1440705191;mircea_popescu;ok, that inadiquet thing rules. "i need feminism because i am stupid and white. if i were black i'd need rakim on a horse."
1253458;1440705278;moonpunter;i find it ironic that mike hearn is taking issue with people using the word "dictators" although he was originally the one who suggested that gavin be a benevolent dictator
1253459;1440705306;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253304 << let them fragment. nobody cares, and no, neither is going to actually get implemented.
1253460;1440705306;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 14:29:09; fluffypony: yeah, but BIP 100 is still the lesser of two evils
1253461;1440705321;mircea_popescu;the funny thing is that the usg is so very fucking convinced all the bs stuff it's powered by works in bitcoin too
1253462;1440705341;mircea_popescu;because "everywhere is here!!11" and so yeah, totally, astro turfing, "the controversy", "moving the window" and whatnot.
1253463;1440705354;moonpunter;transparency favors no authority but legitimate authority
1253464;1440705356;mircea_popescu;meanwhile bitcoin is still not for the poor, they can dance until they fall over for all the good it's gonna do.
1253465;1440705368;mircea_popescu;and THIS point MUST be actually verified in practice. and not only once, either.
1253466;1440705369;mircea_popescu;daily.
1253467;1440705401;cazalla;moonpunter, same paul madore that writes for cryptocoinsnews?
1253468;1440705405;mircea_popescu;moonpunter mike is too young to know exactly what is the fate of being in the us army. how you get bombed silly from all directions while trying to follow nonsensical directives.
1253469;1440705410;mircea_popescu;he should have been in vietnam.
1253470;1440705423;*;moonpunter is an iraq infantry vet
1253471;1440705442;moonpunter;but vietnam was a real war in my book.
1253472;1440705449;moonpunter;well, real combat.
1253473;1440705482;moonpunter;"overwhelming force" doctrine made us feel more like cops on patrol than soldiers saving innocents.
1253474;1440705484;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253324 << lol why not just buy a phillips screwdriver and be done with it ?
1253475;1440705484;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 16:06:31; punkman: from the business in Luxor department.
1253476;1440705495;mircea_popescu;no repair shop does anything other than what you normally do with desktops
1253477;1440705517;mircea_popescu;but hey, the closed box folks managed to wrest an entire business space away from the user with the shitty screws./
1253478;1440705541;mircea_popescu;moonpunter ask an individual that participated. seven days a week consisted of bad leadership and getting pounded.
1253479;1440705668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0007094 = 4.2564 BTC [+] {2} 
1253480;1440705676;mircea_popescu;mats / ascii_field the dispute you're engaged in looks to me like a failure to agree upon terminology. alf thinks in terms of "competent user". mitigation as generally discussed thinks in term of "usg-spawned monkey which was allowed at a keyboard for no conceivable reason". in this later case, hotgluing the usb hole is a valid mitigation technique.
1253481;1440705686;mircea_popescu;and in fact no mitigation thingee out there does anything else.
1253482;1440705781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253375 << it is formally simple. which is what he means by "easy", but also what easy eminently is not. formally simplest is always the hardest.
1253483;1440705781;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 17:49:32; mats: you make this so difficult
1253484;1440705854;mircea_popescu;moonpunter aha! so you dispute the summary ?
1253485;1440705865;punkman;mircea_popescu: no repair shop does anything other than what you normally do with desktops << I couldn't readily repair this one at home
1253486;1440705876;mircea_popescu;can't find the part ?
1253487;1440705890;mircea_popescu;this is what they do you realise, order replacement parts ?
1253488;1440705903;mircea_popescu;nobody's sitting there with an amp meter and a soldering iron.
1253489;1440705915;kakobrekla;which usually cost more than the lappy itself
1253490;1440705925;mircea_popescu;depends, but often enough yeah.
1253491;1440705937;moonpunter;i just think he's ridiculous to take offense to people using a term he himself introduced. anyone with half a brain would never use a term like that and expect an intelligent group to not dissect and then turn it around on them.
1253492;1440705949;mircea_popescu;i suspect many laptops are sold in the manner of printers. except you pay for "service" instead of "cartridges"
1253493;1440705950;punkman;plenty of folks do soldering
1253494;1440705979;mircea_popescu;moonpunter that part for sure. then again his target aren't intelligent people, nor any people likely to try and think the matter through independently.
1253495;1440705993;mircea_popescu;but i'm more curious about how you view the vietnam thing in your own experience.
1253496;1440706031;moonpunter;the computer store up the block charged less for a 25 foot cable than to simply put the adapter on for me. annoying. came home and immediately bought a $8 tool off ebay.
1253497;1440706136;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253398 << i'm curious to hear the list.
1253498;1440706136;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 18:18:04; mats: this represents such a regression in so many ways i am unable to count them
1253499;1440706296;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253407 << you blessfully ignore the part where THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD A CHAIR. you understand this, do you ? the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? the reason airbnb HAS TO exist is because if they can't sleep on each other's bike rags they can't "go to conferences" and prop up the whole word cloud ?
1253500;1440706296;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 18:23:50; ascii_field: trinque: specifically concerning process separation - the thing to do with existing machines is - 1 per task.
1253501;1440706301;mircea_popescu;what 1 per machine.
1253502;1440706673;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1253503;1440706679;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 227.36, vol: 13303.28171619 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 223.94, vol: 7362.17955 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 227.52, vol: 12673.27965693 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.17, vol: 3.22033114 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 225.684697, vol: 18938.35790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 228.2126, vol: 227.69261178 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 233.552156519, vol: 47.87118763 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1253504;1440706699;BingoBoingo;;;more
1253505;1440706700;gribble;average: 226.3252532
1253506;1440706844;kakobrekla;>  the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ?  < http://ads.newsbtc.com/www/images/43a8dcd005175d58a21a6d878f649391.gif
1253507;1440706845;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KawT6V )
1253508;1440707078;mircea_popescu;check it out, <marquee> lives on!
1253509;1440707636;mats;i suppose we should define terminology, then: what does it mean for something to be 'single-task'? what abstraction level is non-arbitrary (or appropriate)?
1253510;1440707670;mats;shall we boot up a machine for every x server of every gui-level application we wish to run, because there is no such thing yet as gui-level isolation?
1253511;1440707743;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg8ruhzlh5Q7AHg9o1_1280.jpg << all sorts of interesting assumptions in there, such as "the toiletries don't matter because we don't like to think about them, being puritans" ; or "even plants need multiple times their mass in nutrients over extended periods, but you'll fit your stuff in ONE cupboard alright". this all doiesn't much interest me, because while obvious to anyone thinking
1253512;1440707744;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaAQse )
1253513;1440707744;mircea_popescu;, it was certainly entirely obscure to the target. one point however was not : three people, two beds. so did they assume the immature human naturally sleeps in bed with her father or mother ? which of those two individuals aren't really separate in the thoughts of the intended viewer ?
1253514;1440707780;mircea_popescu;which of these three*
1253515;1440707820;mircea_popescu;mats i don't see a way to implement his scheme as anything but running dozens of machines to replace my desktop. which, in fairness, was one of the proposed approaches back in the 70s.
1253516;1440707826;mircea_popescu;also in fairness, it didn't survive.
1253517;1440707864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6288 @ 0.00070805 = 4.4522 BTC [-] {3} 
1253518;1440707939;mats;how does anybody meaningfully build on e.g. 'msdos' when it has only one operating mode, is purposed for a 'single-task', and doesn't blow up when some level of the abstraction (that by any reasonable person could be reasoned as multi-task if it is to do anything useful, e.g, graphics, networking, file system access!!1) has a bug in it?
1253519;1440708005;mircea_popescu;notably graphics is not multitask.
1253520;1440708009;mircea_popescu;to this day the array scans.
1253521;1440708081;mats;ok
1253522;1440708120;mircea_popescu;networking is chiefly multitasking because of the way it's implemented. but even in systems built to mt, there's a dedicated box added outside.
1253523;1440708136;mircea_popescu;you could in principle then just have a dedicated process for single task networking.
1253524;1440708162;mircea_popescu;in short : contrary to what peoiple think, there is no actual scope for decisionmaking in systems design.
1253525;1440708208;mats;systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult
1253526;1440708413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00070726 = 1.2023 BTC [-] {2} 
1253527;1440708569;BingoBoingo;From the derpolist https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010660.html
1253528;1440708571;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] BIPS proposal for implementing AML-KYC in bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1F0tqQK )
1253529;1440708731;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1253530;1440708792;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253515 << if speaking of existing hardware, there is no shortage of 'computers' which cost pocket change and each can run just about anything one might care to
1253531;1440708792;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 20:37:00; mircea_popescu: mats i don't see a way to implement his scheme as anything but running dozens of machines to replace my desktop. which, in fairness, was one of the proposed approaches back in the 70s.
1253532;1440708795;ascii_field;(e.g. pogo)
1253533;1440708817;ascii_field;and i'm not speaking of junkyard iron, either, but brand-new
1253534;1440708876;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253511 << these hidey-holes were meant to house people for ~six weeks, while the hottest fallout clears
1253535;1440708876;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 20:35:43; mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg8ruhzlh5Q7AHg9o1_1280.jpg << all sorts of interesting assumptions in there, such as "the toiletries don't matter because we don't like to think about them, being puritans" ; or "even plants need multiple times their mass in nutrients over extended periods, but you'll fit your stuff in ONE cupboard alright". this all doiesn't much interest me, because while obvious
1253536;1440708890;mircea_popescu;ascii_field im not too keep to manage a larger count of items.
1253537;1440708914;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and that's how american houses got those toilet/washroom combos.
1253538;1440708921;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how much shit is produced in six weeks by a group of three people ? not counting the water it flushes with, just the shit.
1253539;1440708924;ascii_field;'too many items'
1253540;1440708931;mircea_popescu;because it wouldn't fit in that stupid cupboard.
1253541;1440708981;mircea_popescu;and no. just look at all the "Whitegoods" and the proliferation thereof. usians love item count like they love their absent virility.
1253542;1440708996;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is no deep secret that the 'shelter industry' was largely part cargo-cult, part 'i wanna build a wine cellar without wife bitching'
1253543;1440709018;ascii_field;!s man cave
1253544;1440709019;assbot;13 results for 'man cave' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=man+cave
1253545;1440709047;mircea_popescu;sure. but specifically what interests me there is, which two sleep in the same cot.
1253546;1440709050;ascii_field;so there is the imaginary reality of the sales pitch, but a separate physical reality of what these were used for.
1253547;1440709068;ascii_field;nobody sleeps in the fucking cot. the husband, if he's lucky, bangs secretary in that cot.
1253548;1440709077;mircea_popescu;but in the picture
1253549;1440709090;ascii_field;let's also put a flying unicorn in the picture.
1253550;1440709096;mircea_popescu;but they didn't.
1253551;1440709100;mircea_popescu;we don't get to alter artefacts.
1253552;1440709240;ascii_field;they put equally magical 'non-shitting princess'
1253553;1440709289;mircea_popescu;the girl (i think it's a girl ?) setting the table does not shit ? why's she get a plate then ?
1253554;1440709313;mircea_popescu;(and how convenient she's female - i'd like to see someone keep a 19yo guy pinned down with the old folks for six weeks.)
1253555;1440709372;mircea_popescu;(and yet he should be - in practical terms a population that spends x on sheltering women and x on sheltering men will fare ~35% worse than a population that just spends 2x on sheltering men. because women are for many reasos much much harider)
1253556;1440709448;mircea_popescu;(those reasons being chiefly that woman comes with fully formed ovules pre-packaged. an ovary is essentially a bunch of candy-wrapped m&ms, and her period consists of one of those wrappers being torn. whereas a male comes with a sperm CREATION mechanism. so if the male is damaged, the male is out. if the female is damaged she'll just ovulate a different skittle.)
1253557;1440709552;mircea_popescu;and if you think about it for a moment, it should be apparent why any sort of an alternative scheme wouldn't even work. given that yes, radiation is a fact of cosmos.
1253558;1440709633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2928 @ 0.00071219 = 2.0853 BTC [+] {2} 
1253559;1440709976;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg3c82oor24qNHcho1_500.jpg << people had trouble with the celltowers of 1915, too.
1253560;1440709978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAIFoY )
1253561;1440710004;ascii_field;!s cixi
1253562;1440710005;assbot;11 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi
1253563;1440710006;mircea_popescu;"Electricity". like "Internet" and "Bitcoin"
1253564;1440710041;ascii_field;it took more than one electrocuted drunk to drive the point home
1253565;1440710060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00071519 = 3.7547 BTC [+] {4} 
1253566;1440710075;ascii_field;(for added lulz, proper insulation was not yet discovered, cloth and tar were sop)
1253567;1440710191;mircea_popescu;tar was still used for insulation in 4.5V batteries when i was a kid. and the cells were paper wrapped.
1253568;1440710205;ascii_field;same.
1253569;1440710222;ascii_field;it was ~the~ battery to me, aha
1253570;1440710230;ascii_field;still pissed they don't exist in usa
1253571;1440710235;mircea_popescu;also, here's your wish http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvfurmor6yhcEcrXFo1_400.jpg
1253572;1440710235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJ4rJ )
1253573;1440710266;ascii_field;nonshitting princess is on left hand of this photo.
1253574;1440710333;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the famous enema drawing series : http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvh907x0sXdHTjQd9o1_1280.jpg
1253575;1440710335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJe2e )
1253576;1440710341;mircea_popescu;backed up princess is going to be unplugged.
1253577;1440710543;mircea_popescu;also, http://40.media.tumblr.com/pBOYZzcWxfulnz6tlpGAiKyno1_500.jpg << I need feminism for to STOP RAEP !
1253578;1440710544;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJAFY )
1253579;1440710553;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1253580;1440710659;mircea_popescu;and yes this was an actual thing. behold the president/initiator : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Alice_Reighly.jpg
1253581;1440710659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAJM8g )
1253582;1440710672;mircea_popescu;(do not click the above if you have any reason to suspect the glass in your monitor is weak)
1253583;1440710787;*;trinque dry-heaves
1253584;1440710823;trinque;denial's as old as history
1253585;1440710895;mircea_popescu;that's exactly the woman's problem, you know, how to not get fucked. seriously.
1253586;1440710917;trinque;how dare anyone suggest otherwise, in fact.
1253587;1440711035;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at the ranch, http://41.media.tumblr.com/X6sh6C0oTfeip8s3wDHdObVSo1_1280.jpg
1253588;1440711038;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAKlyT )
1253589;1440711064;trinque;guy's face is excellent
1253590;1440711078;mircea_popescu;girl's better imo.
1253591;1440711084;trinque;well for different reasons!
1253592;1440711086;trinque;lol
1253593;1440711088;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1253594;1440711106;BingoBoingo;From the lulz mines https://archive.is/GUHSD
1253595;1440711108;assbot;Clarity on the CoinTelegraph Speculation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAKsdI )
1253596;1440711108;mircea_popescu;she holds her own just fine, and she's on fucking stilts and backed against a wall.
1253597;1440711136;mircea_popescu;look at the narrow uneven shit she stands on, even
1253598;1440711150;*;trinque now notices the differences in posture
1253599;1440711168;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no way im reading that nightmare in prose.
1253600;1440711192;BingoBoingo;That's fair' I didn't even read the whole thing either
1253601;1440711225;mircea_popescu;trinque which is why the man is humble, and squinting. he sees what you see and wonders how to go about it.
1253602;1440711255;mircea_popescu;this is also ~why~ you put young women on the fucking stilts and back them against the wall.
1253603;1440711288;mircea_popescu;and obviously, why the fat stupoid failures that protest lost before the game even begun.
1253604;1440711298;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253499 << dunno which usa mircea_popescu was thinking of, but the one i live in contains bozos who shell out for $3k 'macbooks' etc.
1253605;1440711298;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 20:11:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253407 << you blessfully ignore the part where THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD A CHAIR. you understand this, do you ? the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? the reason airbnb HAS TO exist is because if they can't sleep on each other's bike rags they can't "go to conferences" and prop up the whole word cloud ?
1253606;1440711342;mircea_popescu;the usa you live in, much like the argentina i live in, is wholly made up of people who buy the fucking yearl agendas on time.
1253607;1440711347;trinque;mircea_popescu: hm, yeah. the advantage of being able to drop a jaw by merely existing?
1253608;1440711357;mircea_popescu;what shell out? how many usians do you know that EVER owed 3k free and clear, in their hands ?
1253609;1440711365;mircea_popescu;trinque not at all!
1253610;1440711369;trinque;ah, then I don't follow
1253611;1440711389;mircea_popescu;not like it's going anywhere.
1253612;1440711529;BingoBoingo;<trinque> ah, then I don't follow << They "shell out" for macbooks the same way hamplanets do for "king ranch" credit
1253613;1440711587;trinque;streams are crossed; I was talking about the hot lady on the film set.
1253614;1440711643;trinque;I am well aquainted with the fake CEOs of the fake software industry, haha
1253615;1440711650;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvfdmjf60uUub1jOvo1_500.jpg
1253616;1440711651;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JALaYs )
1253617;1440711659;mircea_popescu;now showing... tarzan.
1253618;1440712075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3121 @ 0.00071559 = 2.2334 BTC [+]
1253619;1440712238;mircea_popescu;!up moonpunter
1253620;1440712243;mircea_popescu;!gettrust moonpunter
1253621;1440712243;assbot;moonpunter is not registered in WoT.
1253622;1440712272;moonpunter;still saying not valid, but as you can see in that link, i've uploaded the key...
1253623;1440712295;mircea_popescu;...
1253624;1440712324;kakobrekla;run the command on chan
1253625;1440712373;moonpunter;!register 6310 C4E0 B0E9 7287 A3CF  EBAD 8515 F76E ADCF D13C
1253626;1440712373;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1253627;1440712379;kakobrekla;remove spaces
1253628;1440712384;moonpunter;oh...
1253629;1440712400;moonpunter;!register 6310C4E0B0E97287A3CFEBAD8515F76EADCFD13C
1253630;1440712400;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6310C4E0B0E97287A3CFEBAD8515F76EADCFD13C. This may take a few moments.
1253631;1440712400;assbot;Key ADCFD13C / "phm (phm.link) <moonpunter@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
1253632;1440712400;assbot;Registration successful.
1253633;1440712406;moonpunter;typical /me retardation
1253634;1440712421;moonpunter;thank you
1253635;1440712433;kakobrekla;lots of folks fall in that hole. np.
1253636;1440712503;BingoBoingo;A few folks though fall into lots of holes
1253637;1440712512;moonpunter;i fall into k-holes
1253638;1440712567;mircea_popescu;!rate moonpunter 1 falls into holes.
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1253640;1440712587;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.moonpunter.1:cba5be8d0eca0eeaf501a07aa95bf5e67f9be674da9491d8ad0f85d5df73db9f
1253641;1440712587;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for moonpunter with note: falls into holes.
1253642;1440712603;mircea_popescu;;;seen adlai
1253643;1440712603;gribble;adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 57 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Adlai> !down Adlai
1253644;1440712612;mircea_popescu;i guess that settles that.
1253645;1440712614;mircea_popescu;!unrate adlai
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1253647;1440712636;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.adlai:4815aef3f452efc113340bc91579662c4cb4c996da005dae934ec757866c19e8
1253648;1440712636;assbot;Successfully unrated adlai
1253649;1440712673;mircea_popescu;on the topic of falling into holes, the ability to back up the shit one comes up with being like the #1 requirement of manhood.
1253650;1440712735;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duvnXnA3Mh8 << k-hole anthem
1253651;1440712736;assbot;NOFX - Kids of the K-Hole - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAMIl9 )
1253652;1440712778;moonpunter;!rate mircea_popescu +1 [crypto wizard]
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1253654;1440712802;moonpunter;was the + needless?
1253655;1440712818;mircea_popescu;wow, i thought the k-hole was some sort of play on r/K selection
1253656;1440712822;kakobrekla;and the square brackets.
1253657;1440712827;moonpunter;no, i was referring to ketamine
1253658;1440712855;moonpunter;followed Furthur for awhile a few years ago, before i got married
1253659;1440712860;moonpunter;long story.
1253660;1440713051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3540 @ 0.00071559 = 2.5332 BTC [+]
1253661;1440713260;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/Lcum1L92Web7no2yW3aj1LMKo1_1280.jpg
1253662;1440713262;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JANvCH )
1253663;1440713338;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1253664;1440713352;ascii_field;waiwut?!! Adlai pankakked ?!
1253665;1440713414;ag3nt_zer0;good afternoon folks
1253666;1440713432;ag3nt_zer0;ho goes it?
1253667;1440713820;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: afternoon. goes okay, yourself?
1253668;1440714271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3221 @ 0.00071469 = 2.302 BTC [-]
1253669;1440714655;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: hey there going alright thx. just gettin home from the work
1253670;1440715000;ag3nt_zer0;you know, i am thankful to have the chance to whisper some renegade think-for-yourselfisms into the impressionable ears of kids, through music nonetheless, but dude it doesn't take long in these classrooms to realize how fucked this country is by virtue of how undisciplined/spoiled rotten these kids are - relative to the soberness of student bodies in say china or india...
1253671;1440715105;thestringpuller;you talkin bout US?
1253672;1440715141;ag3nt_zer0;this fucking kid yesterday: I have him count sing this simple 4-beat card - he does a pretty good job which I greet, perhaps shameful in restrospect, with enthusiasm... and then i say, "the only thing I would suggest could be better is holding the beats all the way through"
1253673;1440715157;ag3nt_zer0;the kid says, age 6, "you are insulting me"
1253674;1440715159;ag3nt_zer0;lol
1253675;1440715163;ag3nt_zer0;yeah US
1253676;1440715171;*;trinque googles trilema anal child, is shocked to find that every result lacks the word trilema
1253677;1440715178;trinque;well not shocked, but you know.
1253678;1440715187;ag3nt_zer0;i said "no i'm not"
1253679;1440715190;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: when the food thing is empty, you scream
1253680;1440715192;thestringpuller;the spoiled phenomenon is a matter of circumstance in my opinion
1253681;1440715193;ag3nt_zer0;he said "yes you are"
1253682;1440715198;ag3nt_zer0;I say "go sit down"
1253683;1440715199;ag3nt_zer0;haha
1253684;1440715200;trinque;when you have to shit, you just shit through the bottom of the cage
1253685;1440715202;ag3nt_zer0;wtf
1253686;1440715207;trinque;isn't this what life is?
1253687;1440715252;thestringpuller;i know plenty of parents who came from the "the hood" and spoil their children now that they are well off
1253688;1440715254;trinque;oh and most importantly, if no one pays attention to you, you scream louder still
1253689;1440715270;trinque;not being paid attention to constantly is the most horrible thing that can happen to a person!
1253690;1440715306;ag3nt_zer0;and all the admins running around alerting me to the endless list of "allergies" and sensitivity and "spectrum" issues that the little shits with their sick mothers dream up in the organic med aisle at whole foods
1253691;1440715308;thestringpuller;and this cant be a localized phenomenon in time and space there should be spoiled children throughout history and in many different places
1253692;1440715345;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yes
1253693;1440715368;ag3nt_zer0;thstringpuller: yes
1253694;1440715401;trinque;sure, there were spoiled children as there were turds throughout time
1253695;1440715405;trinque;what's done with them is the question
1253696;1440715407;ag3nt_zer0;I hear in India that once a student is asked to leave a school... thats it, forever.
1253697;1440715412;trinque;^
1253698;1440715414;ag3nt_zer0;no more school, ever, for them
1253699;1440715430;ag3nt_zer0;yeah wahst done with them
1253700;1440715555;ag3nt_zer0;and I think i mentioned it earlier about the "positive discipline" plan these pussies follow... no raising of voice, no calling out kids on the spot, in other words all things that pput them in their place and establish that heirarchy are now "abusive" and outmoded because tradition = dumb - or whatever
1253701;1440715562;ag3nt_zer0;anyway, Im in it for the money
1253702;1440715652;trinque;a dead body goes through all sorts of stages of rot, none of them reversible
1253703;1440715742;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/spoiled-kids-funny-pictures.jpg
1253704;1440715743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElJEsJ )
1253705;1440715779;ag3nt_zer0;its really just the living reflection of their ugly-minded parents
1253706;1440715810;gernika;I wonder what is the sane mode of behavior for a child stuck in the public school system?  Perhaps to make it work it actually is necessary to hit them and yell at them, but should it be made to work?
1253707;1440715882;ag3nt_zer0;depnds on if the teacher has anything of value to pass on i suppose
1253708;1440715888;ag3nt_zer0;most dont
1253709;1440715905;ag3nt_zer0;so , no, it shouldnt be made to work and yes it makes sense thatr the kids are fucking retarded
1253710;1440715957;ag3nt_zer0;or, insane
1253711;1440716211;gernika;I think I asked the wrong question actually - but I'm not sure how to put it in terms of causes instead of purposes.
1253712;1440716227;mircea_popescu;!up protn
1253713;1440716235;protn;:)
1253714;1440716241;protn;folks do u trade here?
1253715;1440716254;protn;btc and or shares, indexes
1253716;1440716282;kakobrekla;there are a few traders
1253717;1440716298;mircea_popescu;<ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D
1253718;1440716302;BingoBoingo;Pretty much anything can be traded here.
1253719;1440716321;mircea_popescu;!rated protn
1253720;1440716321;assbot;protn is not registered in WoT.
1253721;1440716329;mircea_popescu;prolly best see to that first.
1253722;1440716332;protn;i mean not here
1253723;1440716335;protn;but overall
1253724;1440716341;mircea_popescu;you want to know if we trade here not here ?
1253725;1440716348;protn;lol
1253726;1440716349;kakobrekla;i trade also there.
1253727;1440716448;mircea_popescu;a rare case of win-win.
1253728;1440716508;BingoBoingo;!b 6
1253729;1440716508;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3B5BWEP.txt )
1253730;1440716528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 8500 @ 0.00039 = 3.315 BTC [+]
1253731;1440716588;mircea_popescu;<gernika> I wonder what is the sane mode of behavior for a child stuck in the public school system? << what the black kids do. fuck all the girls in class by the age they're 14, and whether they want to or not.
1253732;1440716590;mircea_popescu;then move on.
1253733;1440716594;kakobrekla;!s bitfinex engine
1253734;1440716595;assbot;0 results for 'bitfinex engine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitfinex+engine
1253735;1440716607;mircea_popescu;!s two cans and string
1253736;1440716608;assbot;17 results for 'two cans and string' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=two+cans+and+string
1253737;1440716613;mircea_popescu;same principlex.
1253738;1440716614;kakobrekla;well a few days old still very lulzy https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3hnk8g/critical_issues_with_bitfinex_trading_engine/
1253739;1440716615;assbot;Critical issues with Bitfinex trading engine : BitcoinMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ6zCz )
1253740;1440716704;mircea_popescu;!up moonpunter
1253741;1440716712;mircea_popescu;no, you need to self-voice. pm assbot !up
1253742;1440716730;BingoBoingo;!down moonpunter
1253743;1440716755;gernika;mircea_popescu I suppose that's one thing you couldn't do in a private all boys boarding school as opposed to a public school.
1253744;1440716781;mircea_popescu;the all boys/all girls thing is beyond retarded anyway.
1253745;1440716918;kakobrekla;I have a friend that made like 120 BTC because he could buy really cheap Bitcoins during a past flashcrash. From those 120, he only got 20 out. Bitfinex told him: sorry there was a trading engine problem. You never really bought 120 Bitcoins.
1253746;1440716924;kakobrekla;forgot to add ">"
1253747;1440716940;kakobrekla;anyway, losses suck it up, winning trading engine issue
1253748;1440717001;mircea_popescu;it's quite obvious they won't pay the >10mn they owe on perfectly good claims to various users.
1253749;1440717018;mircea_popescu;this because the usg is a great expert at making claims and putting forth pretense, but can't generally pay a cup of coffee if it comes to it.
1253750;1440717114;*;mircea_popescu recalls the lulzy instance when "big deal" silicon valley firm wanted to talk but a) principals "didn't have the time" to come visit and b) they really didn't see "why i'd need" three first class tickets + hotel of "pick from this list" + the rest of the rider. 
1253751;1440717120;deedbot-;[Trilema] The function and the functioning of art. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-function-and-the-functioning-of-art/
1253752;1440717199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00071559 = 5.6889 BTC [+]
1253753;1440717255;gernika;They were probably shocked you weren
1253754;1440717261;*;mircea_popescu was like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4
1253755;1440717262;assbot;Griffin Dunne v Dennis Hopper (Search and Destroy, 1995) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ8J5p )
1253756;1440717263;gernika;'t enticed by free soda
1253757;1440717678;mircea_popescu;if only more people drank the damned fizzy pop thing.
1253758;1440717931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00071559 = 3.5064 BTC [+]
1253759;1440718785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00071559 = 3.7926 BTC [+]
1253760;1440719412;asciilifeform;'Now I seriously think of moving to Argentina. This nation already survived the horrific default of 2001, military dictatorship, deindustrialization and various other calamities, and came through it all with its dignity intact. They know how to be poor but happy (unlike Russians) and without neuroses (unlike Americans)�I saw this with my own eyes.' (guest orlolz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/08/corn-madness-revisited.h
1253761;1440719413;assbot;ClubOrlov ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYs696 )
1253762;1440719413;asciilifeform;tml )
1253763;1440719475;asciilifeform;un minimo respeto por el trabajador!!!!11111
1253764;1440719714;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253522 << must dig out this thread, because this is when i point out that the generalization of this principle - 'if it really has to happen all the time, it ought to have dedicated silicon' - is called 'dataflow computation'
1253765;1440719714;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 20:42:00; mircea_popescu: networking is chiefly multitasking because of the way it's implemented. but even in systems built to mt, there's a dedicated box added outside.
1253766;1440719751;asciilifeform;and it exists in isolated instances in your computer right now. for instance, disk has own computer. as does your vga card, which, as mircea_popescu pointed out, must scan forever
1253767;1440719760;asciilifeform;walking a dual-ported ram again, again...
1253768;1440719831;asciilifeform;modern network chip is also implemented in quite the same way - it gets a chunk of memory to itself and drops incoming frames there, and waits for magic bit upon which it will crap out its buffer (also there) onto the wire
1253769;1440719861;asciilifeform;who does not believe this, can pick a favourite vendor and read the data sheet (or his kernel's driver for the item)
1253770;1440719933;asciilifeform;in 'dataflow' concept, your computer is actually a barrel full of very small computers. most of them perhaps idling at any given time.
1253771;1440719944;asciilifeform;the funniest thing is that, as described earlier, we already have this. in retarded form.
1253772;1440719964;asciilifeform;(where all but a handful of'em are entirely opaque and nonprogrammable, and, direly, not the least bit inspectable..)
1253773;1440720183;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253471 << i know of a fella who was in gulf war I. his father looked down on him for not having suffered being taken prisoner in vietnam; his father's father looked down on the latter for not having been abused by north koreans in korean war captivity; and his uncle - for not having been in japanese prison camp in ww2.
1253774;1440720183;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 19:57:22; moonpunter: but vietnam was a real war in my book.
1253775;1440720228;asciilifeform;*father's uncle
1253776;1440720244;asciilifeform;!up moonpunter
1253777;1440720249;moonpunter;ty
1253778;1440720251;asciilifeform;moonpunter: what happened to your key ?
1253779;1440720253;moonpunter;!up
1253780;1440720267;asciilifeform;moonpunter: message assbot instead
1253781;1440720270;moonpunter;did
1253782;1440720272;moonpunter;sorry
1253783;1440720282;moonpunter;no someone !downed me earlier
1253784;1440720299;asciilifeform;moonpunter: well yes, it was so you could test getting yourself up again
1253785;1440720304;asciilifeform;let's try that again
1253786;1440720325;asciilifeform;!down moonpunter
1253787;1440720325;asciilifeform;hm assbot down ?
1253788;1440720325;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ?
1253789;1440720335;asciilifeform;worx
1253790;1440720357;kakobrekla;oddly enough i got last 3 lines before 'worx' in the same half a second
1253791;1440720446;kakobrekla;mitm machines garbage collector at work
1253792;1440720454;BingoBoingo;<moonpunter> no someone !downed me earlier << Exactly why I did it
1253793;1440720481;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: appreciate, some monkey had to write them packetz down
1253794;1440720488;asciilifeform;with goose pen.
1253795;1440720497;kakobrekla;id hope.
1253796;1440720615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00071559 = 1.7174 BTC [+]
1253797;1440720676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00071469 = 1.5194 BTC [-]
1253798;1440720839;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253567 >>> guess what, turns out one ~can~ still get these! even in usa! but not in the shop. look on www for 'MN1203' - which is apparently what they are called now.
1253799;1440720839;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 21:16:31; mircea_popescu: tar was still used for insulation in 4.5V batteries when i was a kid. and the cells were paper wrapped.
1253800;1440720866;asciilifeform;ruinously expensive.
1253801;1440720868;asciilifeform;but can be had...
1253802;1440720942;asciilifeform;also, apparently, called 3LR12.
1253803;1440721023;asciilifeform;for american folks who've never seen one, it can be found on the far left-hand side of this photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_battery#/media/File:Batteries_comparison_4,5_D_C_AA_AAA_AAAA_A23_9V_CR2032_LR44_matchstick-1.jpeg
1253804;1440721024;assbot;Lantern battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYtwRd )
1253805;1440721419;mircea_popescu;didja manage yet moonpunter ?
1253806;1440721460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed they know how to be poor but happy. it works through being mentally retarded. they'd be equally happy if they were rich. they'd also be equally poor even if they were rich.
1253807;1440721463;mircea_popescu;in fact they WERE once rich.
1253808;1440721480;mircea_popescu;!up moonpunter
1253809;1440721498;mircea_popescu;...
1253810;1440721565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i tell you honestly, if i actually had to run a retarded linux thing for each of these i'd strongly consider just giving up.
1253811;1440721766;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253717 << fair enough... though this reaction of mine is likely related to the fact that I was once fired from a school district while subbing because a student reported that I called her an "idiot" - wasn't true; I was speaking of the classroom behavior as a whole, but mattered not to the spineless principle nor to my "mentor" (I was sub for him) - this was with 10 days to
1253812;1440721766;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 22:58:18; mircea_popescu: <ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D
1253813;1440721786;kakobrekla;that 4.5v - most often used in a handheld flash light here. some armies had those too afaik.
1253814;1440721811;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i saw the thing attached to miner's helmet
1253815;1440722090;kakobrekla;http://www.goarmy.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/9/C91C602C02335E09A4D70CFE057E226B.jpg
1253816;1440722091;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjhmEL )
1253817;1440722178;*;kakobrekla had a few such lamps
1253818;1440722185;kakobrekla;some predated me by many years.
1253819;1440722233;mircea_popescu;aha. me 2.
1253820;1440722279;mircea_popescu;btw, what time does sean connery show up at wimbledon ?
1253821;1440722311;kakobrekla;now you get hand held led lamps with instruction sets. literally you can upload your own firmware on it.
1253822;1440722311;mats;the ninjashogun ratings are hilarious
1253823;1440722314;kakobrekla;fuckin hell.
1253824;1440722463;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQJeY2bVws << "the problem with your brother / is that he's always fucking your mother..."
1253825;1440722467;assbot;Pulp Razzamatazz - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYuRHy )
1253826;1440722580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/of-alf-interest.png << natural things that just happen. naturally.
1253827;1440722580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYuXii )
1253828;1440722582;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1253815 << pretty sure the reich had those, even.
1253829;1440722582;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 00:34:50; kakobrekla: http://www.goarmy.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/9/C91C602C02335E09A4D70CFE057E226B.jpg
1253830;1440722617;kakobrekla;quite possibly
1253831;1440722632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! somehow i thought half-arsed ddos was 'the new normal' over there
1253832;1440722645;asciilifeform;and not just a sometimes-thursdays-thing
1253833;1440722648;mircea_popescu;so it is. has been. but occasionally extra-lulzy.
1253834;1440722677;asciilifeform;who knew k0smik rayz could http GET.
1253835;1440722912;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the notable thing about those 'flat batteries' (what we called'em) was not where they were used, but the kid-friendliness (in the old sense of educative danger, rather than 'safety') - you could wrap wires around the terminals directly, even short'em across various objects to learn what happens
1253836;1440722936;mircea_popescu;or extract the manganese oxide
1253837;1440722939;mircea_popescu;with a hammer.
1253838;1440722947;asciilifeform;two or three of those, some wire, a glass of water, and you learn about gasses
1253839;1440722952;asciilifeform;or hammer
1253840;1440722954;asciilifeform;or, or, or.
1253841;1440722956;mircea_popescu;(and we called them "baterii patrate" = square batteries)
1253842;1440722975;mircea_popescu;and yes it was a major store of kid-value.
1253843;1440722978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: плоская батарейка
1253844;1440722984;asciilifeform;('flat batt')
1253845;1440722997;mircea_popescu;ploska ahahaha
1253846;1440723001;asciilifeform;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%8F_3R12#/media/File:Baterija_3336_USSR.jpg
1253847;1440723004;assbot;Батарея 3R12 — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYvfpp )
1253848;1440723004;asciilifeform;^ right out of my brain
1253849;1440723013;mircea_popescu;word (in romanian) used to mean "drinking vessel carried on the person', in 1800.
1253850;1440723023;mircea_popescu;then it moved to mean enema bag / pee implement under bed for sick people.
1253851;1440723036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd be a плошка
1253852;1440723046;asciilifeform;(drinking vessel, that is)
1253853;1440723049;kakobrekla;ploska, yeah here we say 'ploščata' even
1253854;1440723051;mircea_popescu;certainly no sh in ro
1253855;1440723328;asciilifeform;the battery was a thing in su since 1950s
1253856;1440723403;asciilifeform;you could make a simple flashlight just from the battery, a lamp, and bit of electrician's tape.
1253857;1440723414;asciilifeform;try that with 'round'.
1253858;1440723455;asciilifeform;interestingly, in the '90s there was a shortage, and plastic pieces of shit where you could stuff 3 'aa'-style cells were sold. as substitute.
1253859;1440723461;*;asciilifeform had one
1253860;1440723681;*;mircea_popescu had girl make herself shocking device out of mono copper cable, duct tape and a dozen 1.5 volters. FOR PUNISHMENT
1253861;1440723685;williamdunne;For a good laugh, a socialist using words they don't understand. Particular lols around bogeymanning options contracts; www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mxebi_the-super-rich-and-us-episode-2_tv
1253862;1440723732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! in vietnam, it is said, bamboo tube would be filled with 1.5v cells (often given up for dead by americans)
1253863;1440723757;asciilifeform;and could run just about whatever (to a point. internal resistance of the cells eventually catches up with you)
1253864;1440723766;mircea_popescu;aha.
1253865;1440723777;mircea_popescu;could certainly run an electrically detonated detonator.
1253866;1440723782;asciilifeform;absolutely.
1253867;1440723785;asciilifeform;or radio set, even.
1253868;1440723801;mircea_popescu;or interrogation kit.
1253869;1440723812;mircea_popescu;(bamboo is evil as is. but with added weighht... gfl!)
1253870;1440723839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interrogators were - and afaik still are - old field-telephones, hand-cranked
1253871;1440723851;asciilifeform;and yes, can whack with the stick.
1253872;1440723854;mircea_popescu;kinetic not electric rocess.
1253873;1440723857;asciilifeform;l0l
1253874;1440723875;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i dun think the dailymotion demo is expected to comfortably arithmetic in head.
1253875;1440723898;williamdunne;Its from a BBC show, even worse
1253876;1440723995;kakobrekla;> but the kid-friendliness < shit, perhaps a mit student could actually successfully wire a lamp to it
1253877;1440724001;asciilifeform;was gonna say.
1253878;1440724062;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/xTRrtPor3aht0hkx5tjliYQy_500.gif << lulzy.
1253879;1440724063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjnay5 )
1253880;1440724122;asciilifeform;!s autosaurus
1253881;1440724123;assbot;3 results for 'autosaurus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=autosaurus
1253882;1440724473;mircea_popescu;and ima leave this here for nubsy. http://36.media.tumblr.com/2m8BXUfri9v6cgimXBzz5fwG_500.jpg
1253883;1440724475;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYwDIL )
1253884;1440724484;mircea_popescu;i know its true because i readit
1253885;1440724521;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc this is still Official Truth in usgdom
1253886;1440724536;asciilifeform;at least when i was a schoolboy it was.
1253887;1440724536;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it is, yeah.
1253888;1440724648;mircea_popescu;i wonder if there's going to be a Fatman superhero before the fall.
1253889;1440724676;asciilifeform;makes use of sumo ?
1253890;1440724693;mircea_popescu;well those never made any sense.
1253891;1440724786;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv9rziploEl3x93AX_1280.jpg << anyone know who this is btw ?
1253892;1440724788;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjpchD )
1253893;1440724818;mircea_popescu;hint : he's a tatar.
1253894;1440724857;mats;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/britishborn-isis-hacker-killed-us-drone-strike-in-syria-kills-junaid-hussain-10474007.html
1253895;1440724858;assbot;Junaid Hussain: British-born Isis hacker killed following US drone strike in Syria - Middle East - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjpqFx )
1253896;1440724936;asciilifeform;mats: l0l re: the fella aiming with one eye
1253897;1440724949;asciilifeform;who actually does this.
1253898;1440724986;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "currently compromise a bit more than 50%" << comprise ?
1253899;1440724997;mircea_popescu;and ftr, the notion that pools "represent" hashrate is rank nonsense.
1253900;1440724999;BingoBoingo;no, intended that way
1253901;1440725004;mircea_popescu;ah lol.
1253902;1440725017;mircea_popescu;both objectionswithdrawn in a major explosion of lols.
1253903;1440725017;BingoBoingo;because does not represent hashrate, merely authors blocks
1253904;1440725031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform EVERYONE.
1253905;1440725039;asciilifeform;no?
1253906;1440725044;mircea_popescu;i think it must have been in an old tv movie or something.
1253907;1440725046;mircea_popescu;watch 'em.
1253908;1440725054;asciilifeform;no shit, in movies yes
1253909;1440725055;asciilifeform;but in life.
1253910;1440725060;asciilifeform;where you actually have a rifle.
1253911;1440725071;asciilifeform;the kind that shoots
1253912;1440725078;mircea_popescu;the people in life are people from movies,
1253913;1440725082;mircea_popescu;not people from life.
1253914;1440725091;asciilifeform;!b 10
1253915;1440725091;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06PVCEF.txt )
1253916;1440725172;mats;asciilifeform: its not recommended, but you only rly need one eye to line up front and rear sightpost on target
1253917;1440725190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1442 @ 0.00071294 = 1.0281 BTC [-]
1253918;1440725191;mats;some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim
1253919;1440725198;mircea_popescu;human visual depth perception is so fucking terrible, if you're going to fire cable guided missiles you're better off placing two teams a mile apart and having team A guide missiles fired from B and vice-versa
1253920;1440725206;mircea_popescu;it then makes sense to close one eye on top of it.
1253921;1440725208;mats;never experienced it, so cannot verify
1253922;1440725220;asciilifeform;at dusk,
1253923;1440725223;asciilifeform;2 eyes, 2x the light
1253924;1440725248;asciilifeform;(this is not subjectively obvious, on account of strange quirks of wetware)
1253925;1440725275;BingoBoingo;<mats> some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim << solution is hand yeilds to eye dominance. If left eye dominant shoot left handed.
1253926;1440725281;mircea_popescu;there are known and amply documented cases of mechanical sight misalignment that can't be detected with one eye
1253927;1440725291;asciilifeform;^ and this
1253928;1440725308;asciilifeform;plus there are other things for which one might like a second eye
1253929;1440725325;asciilifeform;e.g., enemy in corner of field of vision
1253930;1440725331;BingoBoingo;^
1253931;1440725345;mats;BingoBoingo: yeah. but then you run into instances where your weapon is designed to eject shells as though operator is right-handed, and then you catch third degree burns
1253932;1440725368;mircea_popescu;what sort of fucking gun is not adjustable by now
1253933;1440725371;BingoBoingo;mats: Then you either make sure the rifle was sane ahead of time or fuck the rifle
1253934;1440725371;mircea_popescu;srsly firing nagants ?
1253935;1440725392;mats;m4 series
1253936;1440725400;asciilifeform;i don't know of any modern rifle which has 2 ejector holes
1253937;1440725433;mats;how luxurious
1253938;1440725445;BingoBoingo;Or at least different plates available
1253939;1440725482;asciilifeform;for folks with some money, there are craftsmen who will make oddities like this
1253940;1440725519;BingoBoingo;Or if rifle is popular should be off the shelf commercial parts
1253941;1440725583;mircea_popescu;mats you sure about that ?!
1253942;1440725586;mircea_popescu;seems mindboggling to me.
1253943;1440725630;mircea_popescu;at least a deflector, something.
1253944;1440725652;*;asciilifeform whenever thinking of left-handers-in-the-army, always recalls the medieval spiral staircases which assumed that nobody with a sword will ever be left-handed
1253945;1440725654;mats;deflectors are a thing, but i've never seen a joe carry one for his personal weapon
1253946;1440725675;mats;commonly issued for crew-served and squad assault weapons
1253947;1440725678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00071294 = 2.0675 BTC [-]
1253948;1440726048;mats;i vaguely remember reading a field manual (M2?) where it is possible to adjust which side spits out the rounds but don't recall details, if moonpunter figures out gpg maybe he can tell me
1253949;1440726168;BingoBoingo;!up moonpunter
1253950;1440726190;BingoBoingo;moonpunter which part of the process is giving you issues?
1253951;1440726418;moonpunter;after i tell assbot to !up me i get a file to decrypt
1253952;1440726427;moonpunter;dunno what to do with the output i guess
1253953;1440726447;BingoBoingo;And you decrypt the file then tell assbot !v yourstringhere
1253954;1440726457;moonpunter;the whole string
1253955;1440726494;BingoBoingo;yes
1253956;1440726518;BingoBoingo;!down moonpunter
1253957;1440726593;moonpunter;vroom vroom
1253958;1440726629;moonpunter;M2 tank?
1253959;1440726639;moonpunter;m1
1253960;1440726649;mats;ma deuce
1253961;1440726698;moonpunter;i trained on us weapons and when i got to the real army i was attached to a mortar platoon, but i only ever dropped one mortar myself, which was pretty awesome
1253962;1440726718;moonpunter;we had humvees and mraps, cavalry is pretty lazy shit comparitvely
1253963;1440726791;moonpunter;i don't know about any artillery or most of the vehicles; i did maintain my humvee and i was the only truck in the platoon to never break down b/c i didn't mind annoying the mechanics
1253964;1440726831;mats;mos?
1253965;1440726862;moonpunter;11b, infantry
1253966;1440726898;moonpunter;re-enlisted to go 25d but got a medical discharge before i ever went to school. they let me keep the bonus anyway.
1253967;1440726937;moonpunter;25c or d, don't remember. radios. you'll never convince me to wrok in a military IT department.
1253968;1440726947;moonpunter;(25b)
1253969;1440726982;mats;what broke
1253970;1440726992;mats;knees?
1253971;1440727052;moonpunter;lower back and brain i guess
1253972;1440727057;moonpunter;wasn't my call.
1253973;1440727090;moonpunter;in fact on tuesday i had my final interview with the TDRL, they're moving me to permanent. oh well.
1253974;1440727101;moonpunter;"have you been arrested more than 5 times since discharge" etc
1253975;1440727168;kakobrekla;5 times ??
1253976;1440727184;moonpunter;i've been arrested more than 10 times since discharge
1253977;1440727198;moonpunter;i actually have lost count, but three times last year by the same local dick.
1253978;1440727213;kakobrekla;perhaps arrested means something else that i think it means.
1253979;1440727222;moonpunter;it means going in the back of a car to jail
1253980;1440727230;moonpunter;usually it means paying some money to get out
1253981;1440727240;kakobrekla;oh, i was right then.
1253982;1440727244;moonpunter;sometimes they let you out on your own recognition that you are a drunk asshole
1253983;1440727252;kakobrekla;what the fuck are you doing ?
1253984;1440727291;moonpunter;the first time i pissed that cop off i was just telling off this lady that was rude to my wife. i live in a tourist town and we were downtown.
1253985;1440727315;trinque;what part of the country, if I may ask?
1253986;1440727319;kakobrekla;and you was arrested for that wtf
1253987;1440727335;kakobrekla;did you tell her with a gun or something?
1253988;1440727348;moonpunter;no
1253989;1440727351;moonpunter;that's what i don't get
1253990;1440727358;moonpunter;my only felony was for telling someone to get off my driveway
1253991;1440727360;moonpunter;basically
1253992;1440727371;moonpunter;if you're drunk you're wrong. that's why i've all but quit drinking for the most part.
1253993;1440727404;kakobrekla;some crazy stuff
1253994;1440727431;moonpunter;i dunno. i've been a good boy since last year. got too many reasons now. new baby tomorrow morning. 8am delivery.
1253995;1440727446;BingoBoingo;moonpunter: You see my alleged misdemeanor case is being strung out for years because drunk is not wrong. Also prosecutor and police suck at this whole trying misdemeanor cases business.
1253996;1440727556;moonpunter;the justice system is retarded in general.
1253997;1440727583;BingoBoingo;Most things are retarded
1253998;1440727635;moonpunter;cops don't even know what laws they're enforcing, most of them act on emotion, professionalism lacking, institutional racism, extortionist tactics at the jail - $3.00 per minute for a phone call in 2014
1253999;1440727637;trinque;I know in certain places in Texas it's rather easy to get arrested for looking the wrong way, or being drunk in the wrong place.
1254000;1440727659;trinque;and admittedly as a white male, it doesn't apply to me much there.
1254001;1440727673;trinque;dallas in particular is rough.
1254002;1440727708;moonpunter;i've been through there dozens of times, right, on greyhound several, and everytime i've been to that greyhound station there's been an ambulance and a herd of cops. every time.
1254003;1440727773;moonpunter;mostly i just stay home nowadays. graced with virtual office type work. now and then i think about getting one of these cheap office spaces in town, but i'm fine living in my slippers and gym shorts.
1254004;1440727790;BingoBoingo;My personal standard for whether something should be a crime or not is Missouri's statewide ban on prosecution for merely being drunk in public. Missouri is more Texas than Texas in this regard.
1254005;1440727856;moonpunter;here in Arkansas if you have money you're basically a protected class. my previous landlord is getting away with theft and extortion on a weekly basis. he fucked up when he harassed my wife via text, she's going to sue, the cops said that would be the best way to deal with it.
1254006;1440727881;moonpunter;i mean we're not broke
1254007;1440727888;moonpunter;but we don't own a bunch of property
1254008;1440727927;BingoBoingo;Well, in most rural places it isn't just the money. It's whether you're the sort who should have money or not.
1254009;1440727937;moonpunter;i think the law should be blind to all existential things and apply to human action. if you harm another person in someway, violate their inalienable rights, that should be criminal, no matter who you are.
1254010;1440727950;moonpunter;good point, that
1254011;1440727971;moonpunter;"can i see some ID"
1254012;1440728008;trinque;can't really talk in terms of rights without some theory on how they'd be enforced
1254013;1440728010;trinque;I'm skeptical
1254014;1440728054;trinque;I certainly *personally* agree that there are frivolous reasons to judge a person.
1254015;1440728071;trinque;now, try enforcing that generally
1254016;1440728079;trinque;looks a lot like this glorious land of freedom we've got
1254017;1440728092;trinque;only recourse you have is to associate with sane individuals.
1254018;1440728098;moonpunter;well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.
1254019;1440728123;moonpunter;trinque: agreed
1254020;1440728123;trinque;again, you're allowed what circumstances permit, and nothing more
1254021;1440728224;mircea_popescu;more like "you're allowed to defend yourself on your own property and that's it".
1254022;1440728239;kakobrekla;here not even that.
1254023;1440728239;mircea_popescu;simple enough to enforce. was the victim on the shooter's property ? fuck the victim, should buy more property next time.
1254024;1440728264;trinque;indeed
1254025;1440728292;kakobrekla;here i can not touch a burglar.
1254026;1440728309;mircea_popescu;i thought beating up burglar is traditional there too ?
1254027;1440728316;moonpunter;thoreau wrote in depth about the value of the commons. i tend to defer to him. in mass. they say you have to call the cops before you can even think about defending yourself, even if the person is in your home.
1254028;1440728336;*;mircea_popescu does not live in mass.
1254029;1440728362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1836 @ 0.00071317 = 1.3094 BTC [+] {2} 
1254030;1440728435;kakobrekla;nope and its a real pain. i know of a (a bit special) case where landlord can not get the lodger out. not legally. even if he doesnt pay.
1254031;1440728458;kakobrekla;can not turn off elect or water, not legal.
1254032;1440728461;mircea_popescu;...
1254033;1440728466;kakobrekla;yeap
1254034;1440728508;mircea_popescu;nice socialist paradise you goit going somehow ?
1254035;1440728516;kakobrekla;yup
1254036;1440728645;trinque;"renter's rights"
1254037;1440728648;asciilifeform;meanwhile, at the l0lphactory,
1254038;1440728649;trinque;they've got all kinds of that here
1254039;1440728649;asciilifeform;https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/advice-to-a-young-social-scientist
1254040;1440728650;assbot;Advice to a young social scientist | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmYiwT )
1254041;1440728650;kakobrekla;can give more details later, off for now.
1254042;1440728664;kakobrekla;trinque not renter per se but 'human'
1254043;1440728680;mircea_popescu;anyway, the notion that the eu is any better than the us is lulzy.
1254044;1440728684;trinque;yeah, I've heard of the squatting thing too
1254045;1440728685;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same shithole.
1254046;1440728686;trinque;here
1254047;1440728688;mircea_popescu;except one's with languages.
1254048;1440728699;trinque;and um, nordic, something. I hear it's good.
1254049;1440728708;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's great.
1254050;1440728713;moonpunter;i signed a contract with the landlord, he violated it in several ways and attempted to violate it in more. he was disappointed when he figured out i didn't need his apartment, and most definitely stole some of my property left there before the move-out date, then lied to police about it. we don't need anymore laws protecting landlords where i live.
1254051;1440728720;mircea_popescu;and btw, the us gdp went up to 3 something while we were talking.
1254052;1440728721;asciilifeform;great 'while supplies last' (tm)
1254053;1440728736;mircea_popescu;was 2 something.
1254054;1440728753;mircea_popescu;how exactly they figure this washes is anyone's guess by this point. what growth ? the us has been contracting since 1995
1254055;1440728759;kakobrekla;in theory here you can go to a supermarket or a hotel or whatever, sit down in the middle and 'claim your space'.
1254056;1440728768;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> was 2 something <<< the unit being barrels of dried tobacco, or what
1254057;1440728773;asciilifeform;'hog's head'
1254058;1440728775;kakobrekla;it will take a bunch of time and layerpower to get out out.
1254059;1440728784;trinque;the financial "news" lately has been chock-full of lol
1254060;1440728786;kakobrekla;you out*
1254061;1440728804;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sounds like slovenia would do a lot better with more beatings.
1254062;1440728807;trinque;and it's telling how on-message the various supposedly distinct news outlets are
1254063;1440728809;*;mircea_popescu would fucking love to see this.
1254064;1440728818;kakobrekla;this is not limited to slovenia as far as i know.
1254065;1440728829;trinque;dow starts to plummet, suddenly oh, gdp's not so bad
1254066;1440728838;trinque;we forgot to carry the 1!
1254067;1440728848;mircea_popescu;romanian tradition of beating the shit of the burglar before calling police was still strong last i saw.
1254068;1440728865;mircea_popescu;historically, if you're too lousy to do it yourself the police hold him down and then check if you want to prosecute.
1254069;1440728883;trinque;some states here have a requirement that you attempt retreat first
1254070;1440728886;mircea_popescu;pretty sure serbia/ukraina are the same way
1254071;1440728888;trinque;so you can get shot in the back
1254072;1440728961;mircea_popescu;trinque the notion of not shooting an armed person is still very foreign to me. if you got a gun and i got a gun i AM killing you and then we can figure it out.
1254073;1440728986;mircea_popescu;incidentally, as i went to texas, they were just having a celebration in the little town, mayor was giving an old woman some award
1254074;1440728987;trinque;right, once weapons are involved, wtf are you supposed to do?
1254075;1440729003;trinque;or hell, just because the person entered the house. that's a threat.
1254076;1440729004;mircea_popescu;for she was in a diner and a guy tried to rob it, so the old woman got out a colt and blew the would-be robber's brain all over the wall
1254077;1440729012;trinque;good on her
1254078;1440729020;mircea_popescu;trinque i dun think i'd shoot random derp walking in.
1254079;1440729047;trinque;sure, I've been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out
1254080;1440729052;trinque;but.. with 9mm in hand
1254081;1440729058;trinque;could be whoever
1254082;1440729080;*;mircea_popescu agrees with idea  asciilifeform's linked article, still thinks very little of scott locklin.
1254083;1440729103;asciilifeform;didn't scott piss in mircea_popescu's tea once, or what was it.
1254084;1440729109;asciilifeform;gotta be a reason.
1254085;1440729156;mircea_popescu;i don't remember what exact "bitcoin jesus" nonsense he had in his schedule, but i do recall i made the judgement the person can not possibly be intellectually respectable.
1254086;1440729193;asciilifeform;aha i recall. somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) wrote to him re: bitcoin, and he answered 'fuck off, bitcoin's a pyramid' or something to that effect
1254087;1440729209;mircea_popescu;actually iirc HE wrote to me, and i told him to get fucked.
1254088;1440729212;mircea_popescu;!up roasbeef
1254089;1440729213;asciilifeform;l0l!
1254090;1440729221;mircea_popescu;i guess this is to be dug up now.
1254091;1440729223;*;asciilifeform digs ancient nodes
1254092;1440729226;asciilifeform;notes
1254093;1440729227;asciilifeform;lol
1254094;1440729247;asciilifeform;i read scott's stuff for some years, back when he wrote under pseudonym
1254095;1440729249;mircea_popescu;"This is much too far from an apology for your previous episode to count. Try again."
1254096;1440729253;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/#selection-229.46-229.131
1254097;1440729254;assbot;How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRUbgH )
1254098;1440729258;asciilifeform;had some nifty stuff, mainly re: technological decline
1254099;1440729266;asciilifeform;and the demise of physics as an organized discipline
1254100;1440729269;mircea_popescu;guy failed to respond to challenge, got shitlisted.
1254101;1440729271;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1254102;1440729277;asciilifeform;(locklin was a disgruntled physics student)
1254103;1440729282;mircea_popescu;you'd think this sort of thing would be obvious to adult males.
1254104;1440729287;mircea_popescu;somehow, in anglo culture, it is not.
1254105;1440729289;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1254106;1440729302;asciilifeform;some folks just go away
1254107;1440729319;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1254108;1440729324;mircea_popescu;into the pot they go away.
1254109;1440729345;mircea_popescu;or what, you meant "they go away into a merry-merrry land where they lhea" ?
1254110;1440729357;asciilifeform;into somewhere, by definition unknown
1254111;1440729360;asciilifeform;could be - the pot
1254112;1440729388;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1254113;1440729392;mircea_popescu;as far as i'm concerned...
1254114;1440729459;mircea_popescu;but, that aside. the logical next step, after learning arithmetics, from a "i'd rather not be robbed blind by everyone i meet" is learning statistics.
1254115;1440729469;asciilifeform;trinque: ... been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out << i've lived in a 'burglary' street since last may - good share of the houses featured in city hall's 'crime map.' but for some reason nobody ever 'checked' my door
1254116;1440729484;mircea_popescu;and this very specifically means learning to avoid the numerous "learn statistics nao!" scamtraps, from bayesian bullshit to what have you.
1254117;1440729485;trinque;I have bums on the porch here all the goddamn time
1254118;1440729488;trinque;got a bike stolen a while back
1254119;1440729565;mircea_popescu;how to annoy large dogs : while dog is in front and you're sitting in back seat, wait for it to stick its muzzle through the headrest, at which point put a strip of bacon flush on it. hide it once he withdraws. repeat.
1254120;1440729593;trinque;heh
1254121;1440729613;mircea_popescu;this psa brought to you by the pussycat association of cattycorner, wiltshire.
1254122;1440729668;phf;;;later tell pete_dushenski congratulations!
1254123;1440729668;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1254124;1440729670;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1254125;1440729677;asciilifeform;'v' now checks sigs correctly...
1254126;1440729869;asciilifeform;'I have often heard learned psychology department dunderheads stating what the result of their paper will be, and instructing their underlings to mine the data for p-values. I suppose they may have thought themselves speaking over the heads of the rabble, since nobody else from their department was visible. Mind you, they did this in a public place, in a town which is filled to the nostrils with people with training in rigorou
1254127;1440729869;asciilifeform;s subjects, like, you know, me, the buxom Russian girl reading Dirac in the corner, the options trader eating a sandwich, and the girl pouring the coffee, who is studying mathematics. This indicates to me that such people are so abysmally stupid and unaware of their own deficiencies, they couldn�t achieve a scientific result if they actually tried to do so.  Have a click on this link for the UCB psychology department: at lea
1254128;1440729870;asciilifeform;st two people on this list are complete scientific frauds. Probably, most of them are.'
1254129;1440729877;asciilifeform;(locklin)
1254130;1440729896;asciilifeform;'Should I ever strike it rich enough to endow a foundation, I would pay legions of trained statisticians to go through the literature and eviscerate the mountains of bad �research� and arrive at the truth. If Universities were interested in advancing human knowledge, rather than circle jerks with a football team, they�d fund entire departments of people who do nothing but this.'
1254131;1440729948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00071299 = 2.852 BTC [-] {2} 
1254132;1440729967;mircea_popescu;ftr, actual psychology also happens.
1254133;1440729973;mircea_popescu;much like actual programming except moreso.
1254134;1440730027;mircea_popescu;and this reads lots like "if i had money and brains i'd try to be alf and fix computing"
1254135;1440730072;asciilifeform;computing's easier
1254136;1440730152;deedbot-;[Qntra] Surviving a Transaction Flood - http://qntra.net/2015/08/surviving-a-transaction-flood/
1254137;1440730180;mircea_popescu;notrly. computing actually has to do something.
1254138;1440730196;mircea_popescu;a perfectly acceptable result of psychology, like of all scholarship, is "i have nfi"
1254139;1440730199;asciilifeform;i meant, easier in terms of resource.
1254140;1440730204;asciilifeform;i don't need a legion of anybody.
1254141;1440730212;asciilifeform;just food, roof, a bit of mains current.
1254142;1440730227;mircea_popescu;i didn't need a legion of anybody either. http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
1254143;1440730228;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE )
1254144;1440730252;asciilifeform;but you do. of legionaries. to impale the pseudoscientists.
1254145;1440730262;asciilifeform;(they don't, typically, have the decency to impale themselves)
1254146;1440730307;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nice.
1254147;1440730324;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thank you, also cpp is blockquoted
1254148;1440730332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform should i also impale the ugly/stupid women ? on my own dime ? what else ?
1254149;1440730374;asciilifeform;i mean, in the hypothetical scenario of 'cleaning the discipline'
1254150;1440730419;mircea_popescu;so in this perspective chemistry is only clean of alchemists because time offed them ?
1254151;1440730430;mircea_popescu;not because they're simply ignored ?
1254152;1440730459;asciilifeform;the phase transition is interesting in that there is a great interval where chemists, alchemists - coexist
1254153;1440730513;asciilifeform;(best defined as states of mind rather than the particulars of physical manipulations, which tend to be superficially very similar - and often enough, exactly identical)
1254154;1440730535;mircea_popescu;but this "coexistence" is a purely anthropological consideration.
1254155;1440730539;asciilifeform;naturally
1254156;1440730563;mircea_popescu;as far as i'm concerned, as the MD i'm not actually, the bizarro notions re "add" and whatnot inthe dsm make exactly 0 difference.
1254157;1440730590;asciilifeform;good example of discipline where 'alchemy' predominates
1254158;1440730591;mircea_popescu;yes, they matter for the bureaucrats who'd like to pass for mds, and which are presented as such by the state much like the guy in a white coat is presented as "a scientist" by advertising execs
1254159;1440730592;mircea_popescu;but...
1254160;1440730690;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'girding you node infrastructure' -> 'girding your node infrastructure' ?
1254161;1440730716;mircea_popescu;!up eric
1254162;1440730753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty fixed
1254163;1440730941;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, Π(∀n) broke past 1GB
1254164;1440730966;asciilifeform;(an event of no practical consequence whatsoever)
1254165;1440730970;mircea_popescu;lol
1254166;1440730986;*;mircea_popescu suspects that we're actually the only ones to have the P
1254167;1440731013;mircea_popescu;but hey, we're also the only ones to want to have the P, because everyone else just needs summaries and narratives.
1254168;1440731121;*;asciilifeform zcat /var/log/........../access* | grep "prod.txt"
1254169;1440731133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would you believe.
1254170;1440731141;asciilifeform;buncha folks!
1254171;1440731147;asciilifeform;who they are - i've no idea.
1254172;1440731165;asciilifeform;half a dozen or so complete fetches.
1254173;1440731171;mircea_popescu;o hey, not bad.
1254174;1440731185;mircea_popescu;sometimes /me is happy to be contradicted by events
1254175;1440731200;*;BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v
1254176;1440731214;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: good news, you don't yet have to figure out 'v'
1254177;1440731219;asciilifeform;(i have not yet released it)
1254178;1440731229;BingoBoingo;Ah, that is good news.
1254179;1440731233;asciilifeform;gotta make damn sure that it behaves.
1254180;1440731266;asciilifeform;incidentally, notion of wot in 'v' is a dir full of pubkeys
1254181;1440731308;asciilifeform;none of that 'import' and 'retrieve' idiocy
1254182;1440731315;asciilifeform;get the files. place in dir.
1254183;1440731354;mircea_popescu;^
1254184;1440731370;mircea_popescu;very much exactly this. there's a line from me somewhere in log going "all i want to figure out is what keys"
1254185;1440731373;asciilifeform;patches live in another dir.
1254186;1440731378;asciilifeform;sigs - another.
1254187;1440731385;asciilifeform;this forms a 'v' workingset.
1254188;1440731421;asciilifeform;i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later.
1254189;1440731424;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/#comment-46931 << Replying to our Nigerian Prince
1254190;1440731425;assbot;Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXjJu )
1254191;1440731443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think so fart you just might.
1254192;1440731444;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later. << I though this is what danielpbarron does
1254193;1440731598;asciilifeform;thing does exactly three basic kinds of thing - verifies sigs; determines what subcoagulations of spittle in the spittoon are in fact in single strands; and permits operator to select individual strands, and cut'em (by whatever criteria, including signatories or combinations thereof)
1254194;1440731625;asciilifeform;selections produce a buildable tree.
1254195;1440731646;asciilifeform;which corresponds to a particular set of leaf nodes in the dependencyflowgraph.
1254196;1440731693;mircea_popescu;so nice
1254197;1440731698;asciilifeform;a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.
1254198;1440731743;asciilifeform;at any rate, it'll be a handy thing for folks such as hanbot.
1254199;1440731763;asciilifeform;(in the sense of, people who are not writing these, but desire to make some sense of what has been written.)
1254200;1440731812;asciilifeform;i have already written the 'mathematical' portion. which actually snarfs up and computers the graph flows, and checks sigs
1254201;1440731823;asciilifeform;but it still remains to me, to put human knobs on it.
1254202;1440731862;asciilifeform;so far it is ~one page, of 'python' prog. lang., if anyone has something else they would like to see it in, write to me
1254203;1440731945;trinque;really illustrates your "fits in head"
1254204;1440731953;phf;mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two. not that are you necessarily limited to a single task at a time, you can load a tsr to perform a handful of auxiliary task, like notes or calculator or whatever. i think that's how "widgets" were implemented in apple's system
1254205;1440731953;phf; 1 through 4
1254206;1440731958;asciilifeform;trinque: this is not accidental.
1254207;1440731962;trinque;certainly not!
1254208;1440731969;trinque;I am merely observing it.
1254209;1440731987;asciilifeform;phf: hp200lx dos machine does astonishing things with tsr
1254210;1440732008;trinque;git for example, sure, has a tree in it, which is to say the monstrously large pile of git concepts has a sort of tree-like structure in it, among myriad other things
1254211;1440732016;*;asciilifeform did not feel like 'truly knows how to program pc' until he wrote first tsr, as a boy
1254212;1440732029;asciilifeform;it did nothing of great enduring value
1254213;1440732036;phf;tsr is right of passage :)
1254214;1440732053;asciilifeform;trinque: importantly, 'v' is stateless other than the three directories spoken of earlier.
1254215;1440732059;asciilifeform;and, notably, never alters them
1254216;1440732075;asciilifeform;it can produce output, which one might at some point sign and place in 'patches' and 'sigs' respectively.
1254217;1440732090;asciilifeform;or, in the case of flow graph, examine visually.
1254218;1440732103;asciilifeform;or, when producing a buildable tree - build.
1254219;1440732112;asciilifeform;but never affects own inputs directly.
1254220;1440732130;trinque;mhm, functional
1254221;1440732176;trinque;it's quite a thing; I've worked under guys that demanded minimalism and it didn't hold a candle to this.
1254222;1440732199;trinque;shows it's not just minimalism that's to be sought, but precisely the right fit of concepts.
1254223;1440732211;asciilifeform;<phf> mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two... <<< this is how 'embedded' work is still done, and imho it is the correct way to program
1254224;1440732262;asciilifeform;trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'
1254225;1440732265;phf;same for console development
1254226;1440732283;asciilifeform;in general, whenever one is programming for ~a whole machine~
1254227;1440732298;asciilifeform;phf: a number of folks here were introduced to the concept for the first time when they met with 'pogo'
1254228;1440732317;asciilifeform;(a small computer which is not ~quite~ large enough to comfortably run gcc on)
1254229;1440732497;phf;i think the idea makes sense for development in general, i mean "full stack" crowd approximates it by running a vm with the stack
1254230;1440732519;asciilifeform;this, as i understand, is done largely out of desperation
1254231;1440732531;asciilifeform;(in the logs one can learn that i suggested it to therealbitcoin folks)
1254232;1440732576;phf;keep shit in dedicated buckets, poor it from one into another
1254233;1440732585;trinque;ahemahemdocker
1254234;1440732591;trinque;latest incarnation of this
1254235;1440732739;trinque;you've got a giant wad of incomprehensible shit, so at least if you snapshot the turd at various life-stages you can return to one when you've screwed up everything
1254236;1440732765;trinque;that said I did target qemu for my gentoo builder, just to have a defined target at all
1254237;1440733000;mircea_popescu;<trinque> really illustrates your "fits in head" << i've seen his codework before and was very pleasantly impressed.
1254238;1440734772;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/RevA6qlp28angte7mrprEnWq_1280.jpg
1254239;1440734774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDEhs9 )
1254240;1440736759;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254018 << the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at, the state hates cops getting shot at, and generally anyone with the stones to make an effort to rack up up a body count on their way out stands an even chance of not even having to go out
1254241;1440736759;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 02:14:58; moonpunter: well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.
1254242;1440737390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00070853 = 4.8534 BTC [-] {3} 
1254243;1440737396;thestringpuller;https://www.zapchain.com/a/mXy1NF0e6T << this chick....
1254244;1440737499;punkman;needs moar javascript
1254245;1440737679;phf;"As your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic."
1254246;1440737699;thestringpuller;phf: does she really say that in the video?
1254247;1440737707;thestringpuller;who rips off kill bill these days...
1254248;1440737836;phf;no, but would be appropriate given the prose style
1254249;1440737884;thestringpuller;qntra will stomp CoinTelgraph and CoinDesk in the nuts when the time comes
1254250;1440737943;phf;qntra should hire a buxom lady with an ill fitting shawl for cto then
1254251;1440737952;trinque;this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like
1254252;1440738005;punkman;"College campuses on gun lockdowns today: Mississippi State, Texas Southern, Savannah State."
1254253;1440738060;trinque;somebody have a manifesto to promote?
1254254;1440738206;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNWKt5CXAAARR2v.jpg
1254255;1440738207;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJ8x8a )
1254256;1440738214;thestringpuller;phf: hanbot already writes for qntra
1254257;1440738399;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/ << BingoBoingo article is getting transaction.
1254258;1440738610;punkman;https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/08/27/when-prisons-need-to-be-more-like-nursing-homes
1254259;1440738611;assbot;When Prisons Need to Be More Like Nursing Homes | The Marshall Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnee2b )
1254260;1440738646;*;ben_vulpes muses on the notion of hanbot wearing something ill-fitting
1254261;1440738734;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254179 << asciilifeform, breaking the tradition of bitcoin crapware and now the b-a 'test in production only' deployment philosophy!
1254262;1440738734;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 03:07:13; asciilifeform: gotta make damn sure that it behaves.
1254263;1440738759;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: funny story you may enjoy.
1254264;1440738793;thestringpuller;So at work I'm migrating a web property from an agency to my company's control. So I have 3 environments: dev, staging, production.
1254265;1440738810;ben_vulpes;what's dev other than your laptop?
1254266;1440738812;ben_vulpes;nm carry on
1254267;1440738814;thestringpuller;The code is so poor it works differently on all three environments, so the only way to truly know if it works is to test on production.
1254268;1440738833;thestringpuller;how you write code this poorly configured, I do not know.
1254269;1440738835;ben_vulpes;"suit up kid. we're putting your laptop into production."
1254270;1440738844;thestringpuller;p. much.
1254271;1440738874;thestringpuller;it's like some college dropout went through github and chose every web technology that seemed "fun" at the time regarding php.
1254272;1440738929;*;ben_vulpes can't imagine 'phun php'
1254273;1440738950;*;ben_vulpes recently broke control blocks a in php
1254274;1440738957;ben_vulpes;across html tags*
1254275;1440738988;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254197 << slick.
1254276;1440738988;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 03:14:58; asciilifeform: a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.
1254277;1440739023;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller i'm bidding on a coffee script + mongodb + mongoose + nodejs + angular rescue project
1254278;1440739025;ben_vulpes;weep for me
1254279;1440739029;BingoBoingo;Who would have though, building trees leaf first
1254280;1440739057;phf;we had this girl in the country house area, who every summer would be into the most pop thing of the time. we'd play a game, end of may when you get there, ask her if she's into whatever trashy thing at the time, "oooh, i love it how did you know". can do same with full stack developers by scanning hackernews frontpage
1254281;1440739099;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: when you say rescue project...you mean rescue them from those technologies right?
1254282;1440739151;ben_vulpes;bulk of the project is a mongo -> postgresql conversion
1254283;1440739173;ben_vulpes;trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off
1254284;1440739420;thestringpuller;i miss using postgresql. but it's overkill for wordpress.
1254285;1440739427;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/27/nazi-gold-train-poland-asks-treasure-hunters-stop-search
1254286;1440739428;assbot;'Nazi gold train': Poland asks treasure hunters to stop search | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnftOP )
1254287;1440739525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00071559 = 1.7131 BTC [+]
1254288;1440739852;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/briton-scott-stammers-pleads-guilty-to-north-korean-drug-smuggling-plot
1254289;1440739853;assbot;Briton Scott Stammers pleads guilty to North Korean drug smuggling plot | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jng9Un )
1254290;1440739866;punkman;"Preet Bharara thanked authorities in Liberia, Romania and Thailand for assisting with the US investigation."
1254291;1440739906;punkman;"dangerously pure North Korean methamphetamines" << such advertising
1254292;1440739950;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1254293;1440739951;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2W87DJA.txt )
1254294;1440739975;punkman;are the rednecks painting their meth blue yet?
1254295;1440740012;punkman;and the answer is yes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2469736/Cops-bust-dealers-40lbs-BLUE-meth--just-like-Walter-Whites-famous-formula-Breaking-Bad.html
1254296;1440740013;assbot;Cops bust dealers with 40lbs of BLUE meth - just like Walter White's famous formula on Breaking Bad | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jngjeq )
1254297;1440740933;punkman;"Top Judge Becomes Greece's First Female Prime Minister" << progress!
1254298;1440741069;punkman;“We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said. “It’s  on his hat. And we see it every time it’s on TV. Everything that he’s  doing, there’s no doubt why he’s doing it: it’s to make America great  again.”
1254299;1440741119;punkman;hope Gavin doesn't read this and buys a hat
1254300;1440743002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00071463 = 9.0401 BTC [+] {4} 
1254301;1440743032;trinque;ben_vulpes | trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off << heh, perhaps next it becomes "how do I derive a bunch of CLOS classes and instances from all this relational data?"
1254302;1440744344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2547 @ 0.0007183 = 1.8295 BTC [+] {3} 
1254303;1440744626;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> [...] << the whole thing's a small nudge << http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
1254304;1440744627;assbot;Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )
1254305;1440744759;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? "Toni Lane Casserly, LLC" ?
1254306;1440744776;mircea_popescu;stupid bitch's not even got the basics of 4chan down, what " Thought Leader & Advisor: Bitcoin and Block chain Technolgies"
1254307;1440745076;davout;BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/
1254308;1440745120;mircea_popescu;"Finding new ways to treat the growing pool of older, ailing inmates." heh.
1254309;1440745137;mircea_popescu;"oh life in prison is such a win for the government!" "reheheheally ? eeenjoy."
1254310;1440745227;mircea_popescu;" It's part of the audit process, it's part of the intelligence phase that is part of being part of a national organization."
1254311;1440745234;mircea_popescu;partly apart!
1254312;1440745295;mircea_popescu;�Being able to hear an alarm, being able to drop to the ground if you�re ordered to do so, those are prison activities of daily living that if you can�t do, you can get in a lot of trouble,�
1254313;1440745324;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha. in what lalaland is this going on. fuck you, you want it done, do it yourself. you're here to work for me, that's why you get paid. i don't get paid to be here. logic 101.
1254314;1440745414;mircea_popescu;i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.
1254315;1440745796;mircea_popescu;dude who the fuck exports meth. what retardation is this.
1254316;1440745811;mircea_popescu;meth is locally manufactured like central heating is locally manufactured.
1254317;1440745854;mircea_popescu;<punkman> �We know his goal is to make America great again,� a woman said <<< a woman admits america now sucks ? such.
1254318;1440745869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2511 @ 0.00071921 = 1.8059 BTC [+]
1254319;1440745987;mircea_popescu;�Stammers� scheme ended not with the North Korean methamphetamine flooding American streets as he had intended, but rather with a guilty plea in a Manhattan federal court,� Bharara said in a statement. << "we got another five retards to confess to imaginary crimes we dreamed up ; they will cost the state 100k a year for the next 10 years up to as long as they live. and i expect to get a bonus", some dumbass india
1254320;1440745987;mircea_popescu;n that's there to leech the system for all it's got said in a statement.
1254321;1440746010;mircea_popescu;how exactly is this derp different from asciilifeform's dr x ?
1254322;1440746014;mircea_popescu;same fucking thing, to the dot.
1254323;1440746133;mircea_popescu;(and yes, everyone who ever thought about it stockpiles drugs in the phillipines, because hey, support infrastructure is cvasi-absent owing to the lazy ineptitude of the locals, and they got capital punishment for it too. not like you could fucking make it in mexico and ship it across the border, owing to the fact that
1254324;1440746136;mircea_popescu;eh why do i even bother
1254325;1440746148;mircea_popescu;the difference between the usg and reddit is vanishingly slim
1254326;1440746210;mircea_popescu;not like if they absolutely had to move korean meth for some fucking reason they'd move it into russian siberia like sane fucking people.
1254327;1440746418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.0007197 = 14.322 BTC [+] {2} 
1254328;1440746662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00071979 = 2.4473 BTC [+]
1254329;1440748919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00071979 = 2.3393 BTC [+]
1254330;1440749693;cazalla;;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews
1254331;1440749700;cazalla;;;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews
1254332;1440749700;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1254333;1440750566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00071634 = 2.1132 BTC [-]
1254334;1440751969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00071979 = 2.2313 BTC [+]
1254335;1440752295;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254078 <<< why not?
1254336;1440752295;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 02:30:20; mircea_popescu: trinque i dun think i'd shoot random derp walking in.
1254337;1440752471;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254118 <<< nigga stole my bike much? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLfgln6hn4
1254338;1440752471;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 02:38:08; trinque: got a bike stolen a while back
1254339;1440752472;assbot;Nigga stole my bike - Best Collection - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFF1g2 )
1254340;1440753982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00071283 = 2.5662 BTC [-] {4} 
1254341;1440755324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.0007116 = 3.0243 BTC [-] {2} 
1254342;1440756533;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!
1254343;1440756533;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 04:59:12; trinque: this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like
1254344;1440756806;punkman;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/who-hacked-ashley-madison/comment-page-5/#comment-391913  lol
1254345;1440756807;assbot;Who Hacked Ashley Madison? —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtM5Y )
1254346;1440756971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6604 @ 0.00071979 = 4.7535 BTC [+]
1254347;1440757642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00072076 = 3.8784 BTC [+] {3} 
1254348;1440757704;cazalla;welcome to melbourne, australia - http://i.imgur.com/2AEytMF.jpg
1254349;1440757705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRXmAy )
1254350;1440757814;fluffypony;cazalla: what's a "borer force", someone who likes drilling holes?
1254351;1440757874;cazalla;fluffypony, the coppers were planning to go around asking people "papers, please" and this lot of degens put a stop to it lol
1254352;1440757897;fluffypony;cazalla: check the placard on the right of the picture, protesters can't spell :)
1254353;1440757911;cazalla;so border force as in protect the borders, can only come in if buying vastly inflated real estate okay?
1254354;1440757932;cazalla;and police can't police
1254355;1440759289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10989 @ 0.00070827 = 7.7832 BTC [-] {3} 
1254356;1440765145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6301 @ 0.00070959 = 4.4711 BTC [+] {2} 
1254357;1440766462;Adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1YH6799.txt
1254358;1440766463;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KecP3B )
1254359;1440766464;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1254360;1440766552;Adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1HG8VKY.txt
1254361;1440766553;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kedl1v )
1254362;1440766553;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1254363;1440766558;Adlai;!down Adlai
1254364;1440766619;*;asciilifeform takes off hat.
1254365;1440767036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00071748 = 2.7982 BTC [+] {3} 
1254366;1440767205;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled, they'd love to use.
1254367;1440767284;asciilifeform;the orcs who shoot at local cops are - all but formally - salaried employees of usg. doing what they were paid for.
1254368;1440767316;asciilifeform;(maintain terror among the white tax base)
1254369;1440767370;asciilifeform;and must remember that orcs (the more unhinged, for this purpose, the better) keep up real estate bubble by fact of their mere existence.
1254370;1440767582;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.
1254371;1440767582;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 07:03:34; mircea_popescu: i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.
1254372;1440767652;cazalla;asciilifeform, fwiw, it is the gnomes that use flying machines, not so much orcs.. "i've got a flying machine!"
1254373;1440767755;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1254374;1440767773;asciilifeform;and yes, applies in this case.
1254375;1440767810;*;asciilifeform flashbacks to wc2
1254376;1440767845;cazalla;anyway first decimation, now adlai, but how does a neg from mp preclude anyone from remaining in the channel?
1254377;1440767862;asciilifeform;adlai wasn't even -1'd
1254378;1440767878;asciilifeform;just lost his mp-rating
1254379;1440767898;asciilifeform;but he gave the impression of being somewhat pankkaked even earlier.
1254380;1440767924;cazalla;sorta reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253673
1254381;1440767924;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 22:39:17; ag3nt_zer0: the kid says, age 6, "you are insulting me"
1254382;1440767997;cazalla;benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters
1254383;1440768149;cazalla;seeing Adlai is poetic in his departing, i'll share one for him - http://dpaste.com/1ZYW3F9.txt no sig on account am boozing and losing
1254384;1440768150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqbIdE )
1254385;1440768159;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924003 << see old thread, possibly
1254386;1440768159;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 18:35:25; asciilifeform: i can't claim to have a handle on what ails pankkake et. al.
1254387;1440768379;cazalla;from that thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924007
1254388;1440768379;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 18:36:39; asciilifeform: i, for instance, expect to end up slowly dismembered in a cia dungeon.
1254389;1440768387;asciilifeform;aha. still waiting!
1254390;1440768402;cazalla;somewhat the lady doth protest too much?
1254391;1440768420;kakobrekla;later on he downgraded it to 'boiled down to soap'.
1254392;1440768440;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: that's starvation, vs gassing
1254393;1440768578;asciilifeform;re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.
1254394;1440768616;cazalla;91 advert views.. 1 response to which no additional response was forthcoming.. you'd think asking for $20 an hour (with room to negoiate for those able to muster the courage to ask would get some work but meh)
1254395;1440768622;asciilifeform;adlai, unlike various idlers, actually had a very spiffy project. one which very much resembled something i've attempted to write myself.
1254396;1440768628;asciilifeform;it was his tradebot thing, in common lisp.
1254397;1440768671;asciilifeform;but iirc he was unable to find anyone who would dare to connect it to live btc, on terms that both could agree to.
1254398;1440768694;*;asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this proggy !
1254399;1440768742;cazalla;while conducting the menial labour day in, day out, i figured i have the best deal here in #b-a
1254400;1440768787;cazalla;not expected to contribute anything insightful yet brightest minds show up day in, day out to talk from which i can sort through what interests me
1254401;1440768973;cazalla;more australianisms.. no wonder the police force gets walked all over by a bunch of unemployed protesters https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/636980440499253249/photo/1
1254402;1440769572;davout;asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
1254403;1440769674;kakobrekla;prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
1254404;1440769857;cazalla;wasn't adlai jewish? (just sayin')
1254405;1440769949;punkman;afaik adlai's bot was making all those small trades on s.mpoe lately
1254406;1440770387;davout;lol cazalla
1254407;1440772587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00071796 = 2.8359 BTC [+]
1254408;1440772881;thestringpuller;* BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to  mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v << for some reason this didn't show up in log after >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254162
1254409;1440774107;punkman;https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
1254410;1440774109;assbot;itpol/linux-workstation-security.md at master · lfit/itpol · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UaZYnF )
1254411;1440774112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070401 = 1.408 BTC [-] {2} 
1254412;1440775126;BingoBoingo;<davout> BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/ << fixed
1254413;1440775881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2186 @ 0.00070004 = 1.5303 BTC [-] {2} 
1254414;1440778171;punkman;!up hazirafel
1254415;1440778239;hazirafel;thanks punkman
1254416;1440778687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2227 @ 0.00070004 = 1.559 BTC [-]
1254417;1440779508;mircea_popescu;sooo... i just made money whilke sleeping!
1254418;1440779528;mircea_popescu;(03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast!
1254419;1440779627;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1254420;1440779660;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254402 << iirc he had none
1254421;1440779660;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:46:12; davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
1254422;1440779743;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at  'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.'
1254423;1440779743;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 15:01:47; punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
1254424;1440779764;mircea_popescu;srsly. what the fuck!?
1254425;1440779779;mircea_popescu;why don't they come fuck the girls too, therefore saving me the trouble of washing my cock afterwards.
1254426;1440779779;ascii_field;run moar Vichy Linux !111!111!!!
1254427;1440779787;mircea_popescu;can stay dry throughout.
1254428;1440779795;ascii_field;quislingux
1254429;1440779870;mircea_popescu;can microsoft eat my icecream plox save me the trouble of going to the dentist
1254430;1440779875;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with these people seriously.
1254431;1440779886;punkman;it's pretty bad
1254432;1440779892;mircea_popescu;in what world is the population this fucking stupid i wish to know.
1254433;1440779900;trinque;what happened to msft is evil, and fuck secureboot
1254434;1440779904;trinque;did I sleep too long?
1254435;1440779926;ascii_field;'linux foundation'
1254436;1440779934;ascii_field;must be something like the bitcoin phoundation...
1254437;1440779950;trinque;put me back in the stasis pod til you finish dataflowputer
1254438;1440779964;mircea_popescu;trinque sorry, the flat batteries ran out.
1254439;1440779970;*;trinque sighs
1254440;1440779977;ascii_field;ahahaha
1254441;1440779981;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, is torvalds involved ?
1254442;1440780002;mircea_popescu;"Linus Torvalds Fellow. "
1254443;1440780004;mircea_popescu;what is he, stupid ?
1254444;1440780008;mircea_popescu;wtf is with these people seriously.
1254445;1440780026;ascii_field;http://www.itworld.com/article/2895396/is-the-linux-foundation-trying-to-gag-linus-torvalds.html << found this
1254446;1440780027;assbot;Is the Linux Foundation trying to gag Linus Torvalds? | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD3fP )
1254447;1440780037;ascii_field;'the Linux Foundation kinda sorta slapped him on the wrist when they issued a new "Code of Conflict" policy that declared "personal insults or abuse are not welcome."'
1254448;1440780043;mircea_popescu;http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/leadership << look at this stupidshit
1254449;1440780045;assbot;Leadership ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD6rW )
1254450;1440780049;mod6;;;ticker
1254451;1440780051;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.43, Best ask: 235.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 235.5, 24 hour volume: 23702.61891169, 24 hour low: 220.11, 24 hour high: 238.9, 24 hour vwap: None
1254452;1440780052;mircea_popescu;it IS, but i mean EXACTLY the bitcoin foundation.
1254453;1440780060;mod6;;;calc 235*.17
1254454;1440780061;gribble;39.95
1254455;1440780063;mircea_popescu;and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
1254456;1440780066;mod6;mircea_popescu: that's awesome
1254457;1440780088;mircea_popescu;mod6 what is ?
1254458;1440780099;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> (03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast! << this :D
1254459;1440780104;mircea_popescu;oh oh ty :_
1254460;1440780125;punkman;"We believe collaboration can save the world" "When people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a massive  scale, nearly any problem can be solved. Since its inception 20 years  ago, Linux has become the most used software in the world."
1254461;1440780127;mircea_popescu;in fairness i have been doing huge overcrafts overnight. like 40k a click sorta thing. but... overall im ahead i think
1254462;1440780133;trinque;so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI?
1254463;1440780140;mircea_popescu;punkman what the shit has this stupoid "foundation" got to do with those 20 years
1254464;1440780144;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck is gah
1254465;1440780214;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXUu-EsAiE  oh gawd, make it stahp
1254466;1440780215;assbot;Distributed Genius: Advancing the Growth of Linux - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDy9I )
1254467;1440780223;punkman;(from their frontpage)
1254468;1440780228;mod6;!s banix
1254469;1440780229;assbot;0 results for 'banix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=banix
1254470;1440780264;trinque;gotta gas all the ad people.
1254471;1440780265;trinque;they've done this
1254472;1440780296;trinque;you imagine the amount of zoloft it takes for this chick to sound this positive about god knows what?
1254473;1440780333;trinque;not communism but an american advertisement thereof
1254474;1440780364;trinque;I have to lay some of the blame for this starry-eyed world-changer vibe at the grave of Jobs
1254475;1440780376;trinque;everyone wants to be an apple ad.
1254476;1440780422;mircea_popescu;diude there's a lot of them
1254477;1440780596;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254455 << which idiot ?
1254478;1440780596;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 16:41:03; mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
1254479;1440780612;mircea_popescu;torvalds.
1254480;1440780626;ascii_field;what would you suggest to him to do ?
1254481;1440780628;trinque;I thought he was supposed to be the big mean dictator man of linux
1254482;1440780634;ascii_field;strap on shaheed vest ?
1254483;1440780640;trinque;ascii_field: shout at people, I thought his schtick was that
1254484;1440780654;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/082XAM5.txt
1254485;1440780655;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqEIBU )
1254486;1440780655;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1254487;1440780665;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i suggest him to NOT BE A FUCKING "FELLOW".
1254488;1440780693;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i don't know enough about torvalds, but i suspect that his bargain with satan, from which he sleeps ad libitum, involves putting up with this crud
1254489;1440780701;mircea_popescu;fuck that.
1254490;1440780781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254342 << check out cazalla on top of his game.
1254491;1440780781;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 10:08:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!
1254492;1440780870;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254366 << "shot at" != killed. the point isn't to shoot at.
1254493;1440780870;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:06:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled,
1254494;1440780937;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254370 <<< mno. luck and "temporary disturbance" is the parsimonious explanation. for some short interval in a well chosen nigerian locaiton you could have pretended the same. then the oil bubble went awya.
1254495;1440780937;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:13:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.
1254496;1440780962;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254378 << after the fact.
1254497;1440780962;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:17:58; asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating
1254498;1440780991;punkman;"Meta Glasses" are an actual product btw https://www.getameta.com/
1254499;1440780993;assbot;Home: Meta Augmented Reality ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0pOGG )
1254500;1440781029;mircea_popescu;but to answer cazalla : owing to a by now two decades' traditsion of middle class pushing its inept offspring to "pretend like you're doing something", there's millions of kids floating about with very good first line of answer to "so what are you doing". except if you inquire past that their choice is to either take off or admit they suck. generally, they take off.
1254501;1440781089;*;mircea_popescu has had for a while auto-lashing for saying the words "i'm trying to". one lash per instance. two bonus for adding any "just" in there.
1254502;1440781099;mircea_popescu;buncha us born chicks went around like zebras for months on account of it.
1254503;1440781127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00070329 = 1.3363 BTC [+]
1254504;1440781130;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what was it they 'tried to' ?
1254505;1440781153;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter. look around. it's what white middle class twerps say when they're trying to talk their way out of shit.
1254506;1440781153;ascii_field;'there is no try' (tm) (r) ('star wars')
1254507;1440781178;mircea_popescu;"what the fuck are you doing" "i'm just trying to..." "bend over."
1254508;1440781221;mats;;;ticker --market all
1254509;1440781227;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 234.31, vol: 20845.64260649 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 229.874, vol: 10957.87722 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 24948.43422478 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.73, vol: 8.49962599 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 234.420804, vol: 26744.99840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 236.624, vol: 288.24688755 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.01525, vol: 63.14619619 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1254510;1440781236;mircea_popescu;^ only way to run an office with white people < 40  in it, incidentally.
1254511;1440781279;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254382 << main advantage of being half orc is, you still get a functioning penis.
1254512;1440781279;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:19:57; cazalla: benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters
1254513;1440781294;mircea_popescu;instead of a malfunctioning cunt.
1254514;1440781420;trinque;this "I'm trying to" reminds me of being asked in job interviews what my "passion" is
1254515;1440781442;trinque;see, you don't have to be good at your "passion", it's just this vague focal point off in the glorious future somewhere
1254516;1440781447;mircea_popescu;quite.
1254517;1440781461;trinque;uh, my passion is fucking, and also having as much money as possible
1254518;1440781467;mod6;!up ascii_field
1254519;1440781535;mod6;hmm that's weird. what am i, stale?
1254520;1440781539;*;trinque blows on the mic
1254521;1440781541;trinque;paging herr assbot
1254522;1440781544;trinque;!up ascii_field
1254523;1440781548;trinque;wat
1254524;1440781566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254393 << mno. imo the basic process is, kid lived entire life in circumstances where a) there is cleavage between words and reality ; b) resources are allocated on the basis of group apartenence rather than factual merit ; c) group apartenence is a matter of saying the right words. upon meeting #b-a, which to his inept eyes has very ellaborately, formally structured prot
1254525;1440781566;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:29:38; asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.
1254526;1440781566;mircea_popescu;ocols, he incorrectly identifies it as "more of the same", goes through the word game, is suprised that this is a dead end.
1254527;1440781571;mod6;(13:04) [freenode] -assbot(~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot)- Insufficient rights, mod6, !up yourself on PM first.
1254528;1440781575;mod6;weird.
1254529;1440781576;mircea_popescu;i guess in the end very similar.
1254530;1440781592;mircea_popescu;mod6 you might be stale.
1254531;1440781601;mod6;looks that way.
1254532;1440781603;*;mod6 resolves
1254533;1440781621;mod6;lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess.
1254534;1440781655;mod6;signon: Sun Aug  2 15:11:02 2015
1254535;1440781657;mod6;*shrug*
1254536;1440781661;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: thing is, fella had a project, just not one that anybody wanted
1254537;1440781688;mircea_popescu;so would my cat, if i had a cat.
1254538;1440781690;punkman;ascii_field: and who doesn't have one!
1254539;1440781768;ascii_field;herr adlai was not a moron, actually was a pretty competent common lisp hand
1254540;1440781794;ascii_field;judging by the few snippets of his i read
1254541;1440782001;mircea_popescu;ascii_field intelligence is not related to this.
1254542;1440782071;BingoBoingo;<trinque> so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI? << iirc FBI tried the stealthy version of this around 2003 cleaned house quietly and FBI guy went full derp about it again around 2010
1254543;1440782078;trinque;yeah, I was recalling that
1254544;1440782137;trinque;it's ever clearer to me that there can be no sanity apart from economic sanity, and that everything good outside bitcoin will rot in the sun meanwhile
1254545;1440782180;PeterL;seems like this fits here: http://xkcd.com/1570/
1254546;1440782181;assbot;xkcd: Engineer Syllogism ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqHY0m )
1254547;1440782201;mircea_popescu;trinque quite. economic sanity is the cornerstone.
1254548;1440782286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00071328 = 5.5636 BTC [+] {4} 
1254549;1440782354;BingoBoingo;<mod6> lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess. << You hit a mega netsplit earleir
1254550;1440782402;punkman;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2
1254551;1440782404;assbot;'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )
1254552;1440782414;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254403 << im too lazy to dig up where he had a chance to run a mpif thing.
1254553;1440782414;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 13:47:54; kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
1254554;1440782515;mircea_popescu;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2 << this is actually a good idea.
1254555;1440782518;assbot;'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )
1254556;1440782536;punkman;well here then, have 100 diffs http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=144070638327053&w=2
1254557;1440782538;assbot;'Using tame() in userland' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqINpZ )
1254558;1440782693;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN55z3jm6FHwhux20_1280.jpg
1254559;1440782694;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJ4ZR )
1254560;1440783010;danielpbarron;https://archive.is/HcDXP
1254561;1440783011;assbot;DI$RUPTIV3 on Twitter: "@danielpbarron Oh fuck you! Piss off you piece of shit I was an anarchist when you were jacking off to Hillary Duff Suck it! @BraveTheWorld" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJOy5 )
1254562;1440783029;mircea_popescu;lolwut.
1254563;1440783041;mircea_popescu;in similar news : why does this make one cringe and think "crash!" http://40.media.tumblr.com/XeVQDo0c64zy1zmxmAyOiEu3_500.jpg ?
1254564;1440783041;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJTBW )
1254565;1440783080;mircea_popescu;"Does DP give you creap" ?!
1254566;1440783117;trinque;deleted my twatter the other day
1254567;1440783124;trinque;totally useless
1254568;1440783145;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wait, "i'm the soccer mom married to a fbi derp" "i was an anarchist" ? what else was the retard, a cheerleader ?
1254569;1440783154;BingoBoingo;probably useless for you trinque barely useful for me
1254570;1440783156;mircea_popescu;"i was in the spelling bee!"
1254571;1440783170;*;mircea_popescu compulsively clicks on all the stuff b-a people put in chan. 
1254572;1440783170;trinque;BingoBoingo: I can sort of see its use as a weird, centralized RSS
1254573;1440783190;mircea_popescu;trinque a decade ago in ro it was where all the minxen decided to gather.
1254574;1440783198;mircea_popescu;went to shit within the year.
1254575;1440783200;kakobrekla;>It doesn't seem to be one you use often. Personally, being on lists has never been a good thing for me. < now you are on the list of people not being on the list!
1254576;1440783209;BingoBoingo;trinque: Not at all for that. It's another broadcast channel so long as it lasts. Also useful for yelling at small market sports commentators
1254577;1440783226;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo who for some reason thin kit matters.
1254578;1440783232;trinque;mircea_popescu: terrible incentives. I told a chick the other day that she communicates like she expects her sentences to be retweeted.
1254579;1440783249;trinque;it's a shallow narcissism amplifier
1254580;1440783250;trinque;as reddit
1254581;1440783256;mircea_popescu;i guess that's the one true social media lifecycle : packaging attacks the sort of derps who buy into packaging, which in turn attract the trolls, who naturally feed on them.
1254582;1440783284;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'd rather messaging were solved by a cryptographically sane protocol
1254583;1440783289;trinque;you know, like some kind of internet
1254584;1440783293;danielpbarron;twitter is useful for trolling, although they are cracking down on that by coming up with ways to sort replies so that the less favorable ones get hidden behind "click to see the rest" b.s.
1254585;1440783301;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It matters little, but helps the qntra get a bit broader audience than this channel
1254586;1440783311;trinque;doesn't twitter have an HR-department style "don't be mean" policy now?
1254587;1440783320;mircea_popescu;trinque you gotta appreciate young female mating behaviour. what they generally do is pick a small ante.
1254588;1440783323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00071464 = 7.4323 BTC [+] {3} 
1254589;1440783328;mircea_popescu;like "gotta own a car" or "gotta be in X club" or so forth
1254590;1440783361;BingoBoingo;It's all about who you are mean to.
1254591;1440783371;mircea_popescu;changes maybe every 6 months by now
1254592;1440783383;trinque;"gotta like all my pinterests"
1254593;1440783388;trinque;!up ascii_field
1254594;1440783391;mircea_popescu;nah it's never subjective like that.
1254595;1440783416;mircea_popescu;(seinfeld kinda moicks it in their own retarded toothless way with the marine biologist.
1254596;1440783433;BingoBoingo;Anyways I think a Fundnation account even puts forth qntra nao https://archive.is/LEfBR
1254597;1440783433;assbot;Bitcoin on Twitter: "Bitcoin Nodes: Surviving a Transaction Flood | Qntra http://t.co/qr4GDO5ssM" ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJNNx0 )
1254598;1440783434;trinque;what I'm thinking of is this general "pay attention to me" I've heard a great deal lately
1254599;1440783436;mircea_popescu;it's usually absurdistanisms of the sort. they drive the type of thinker PeterL's cartoon illustrates absolutely fucking batshit
1254600;1440783448;mircea_popescu;which i suspect is 50% of how "mtgow" got started)
1254601;1440783480;PeterL;"If I follow these steps, the girls will want to date me" sort of thinking?
1254602;1440783497;mircea_popescu;not EXACTLY.
1254603;1440783516;mircea_popescu;it's a fundamental expectation that a) world is reasonably constructed and b) the reasons are accessible. to him.
1254604;1440783524;trinque;hm.
1254605;1440783525;mircea_popescu;now, a may or may not be true. but b ? fuck you lmao.
1254606;1440783546;mircea_popescu;the last time things made sense to me i was 5 years old.
1254607;1440783551;trinque;sounds like female expectation is fundamentally irrational then.
1254608;1440783556;trinque;magical, even
1254609;1440783564;mircea_popescu;trinque how you figure ?
1254610;1440783575;trinque;well how far does this "accessible to him" go?
1254611;1440783582;trinque;I've heard lots of moaning about "make the world the way I want" from women
1254612;1440783586;trinque;generally repulses me
1254613;1440783594;mircea_popescu;think about it for a second. in any game, the "rational" player is the defeated player. rational in this context merely means "that which has been intellectually dominated by the other side".
1254614;1440783605;mircea_popescu;"women" may be "dumb". but they're not this dumb.
1254615;1440783668;trinque;hm, why is rationality on the side of the defeated?
1254616;1440783674;mircea_popescu;(and yes this is also why the state urges the individual to "be rational". oooofcourseitwould. the only rational thing to do is to preserve the 5th amendment, which is to say : i reserve the right to unilaterally shoot any and all policemen on my say so. because that's what fucking independence is.)
1254617;1440783696;mircea_popescu;trinque well think about it. what does "rational" mean ? that YOU can understand it, right ?
1254618;1440783714;mircea_popescu;if the soviets think the germans are being rational and are right, the soviets win. if vice-versa, vice-versa.
1254619;1440783722;trinque;yes, something like I have a model of reality (even if incomplete) and act coherently within that model?
1254620;1440783732;trinque;that makes sense
1254621;1440783736;mircea_popescu;the demand to rationality reduces to "act in a manner i can understand"
1254622;1440783749;mircea_popescu;dominating your environment reduces to ... understanding it.
1254623;1440783750;mircea_popescu;ergo...
1254624;1440783757;mircea_popescu;"why can't you be more like plants, said the sheep to the wolf"
1254625;1440783758;trinque;perfectly clear.
1254626;1440783761;mircea_popescu;"be more rational!"
1254627;1440783769;ascii_field;eh, a man with his head off also 'acts in manner his opponent can understand'
1254628;1440783792;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1254629;1440783804;ascii_field;but so does executioner
1254630;1440783815;mircea_popescu;and this is why "incomprehensible" and "evil" are so deeply entertwined throughout the history of thought.
1254631;1440783819;mircea_popescu;it's very plain game theory at work.
1254632;1440783832;mircea_popescu;why do people think whosoever they don't grasp is inspired by satan himself ?
1254633;1440783836;mircea_popescu;because... they are, lol.
1254634;1440783844;ascii_field;now this was always plainly obvious to students of witchcraft prosecutions
1254635;1440783852;mircea_popescu;ascii_field executioner ipso definitio is not an agent.
1254636;1440783889;ascii_field;he is the tool, like the axe. but king who ordered 'heads off', is also acting predictably, no ?
1254637;1440783907;mircea_popescu;but, importantly, teaching the controversy re the 2nd ammendment in terms of "to own or not to own guns" is nonsense.
1254638;1440783909;ascii_field;or perhaps not --- http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/cold_iron.html
1254639;1440783910;assbot;Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: Cold Iron ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJOeYa )
1254640;1440783916;mircea_popescu;the core of that is RESEVING THE RIGHT TO SHOOT THE TAXMAN.
1254641;1440783947;mircea_popescu;which is why http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/ is an american hero.
1254642;1440783947;assbot;Joe Stack (1956-2010) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJOiqW )
1254643;1440783957;trinque;hear hear
1254644;1440783962;ascii_field;it's kinda like 'the right to behead vikings'
1254645;1440783973;ascii_field;they would not be feared if it were simple to kill'em
1254646;1440783982;ascii_field;could not collect danegeld.
1254647;1440783988;trinque;just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act
1254648;1440784010;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the thing that [used to] make the us unique was that unlike any other state before, it had this actually plainly said and plainly recorded :
1254649;1440784023;trinque;my local meetwot in austin practically had a celebration in the day's after Stack
1254650;1440784024;mircea_popescu;"it is a right of the citizens to do away with the taxman if they don't like what he does"
1254651;1440784039;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha. then the 'federalists' won.
1254652;1440784048;mircea_popescu;<trinque> just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act << this is integral to any possiblity of win, lol.
1254653;1440784049;ascii_field;see 'shay's rebellion' and 'whiskey rebellion
1254654;1440784050;ascii_field;'
1254655;1440784055;mircea_popescu;try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen.
1254656;1440784057;mircea_popescu;you can't win.
1254657;1440784058;ascii_field;there was no more beheading of the tax man after this.
1254658;1440784072;trinque;but you know, the rebel flag is racis
1254659;1440784137;PeterL;in the US nowadays, the fedgov size only goes up
1254660;1440784155;trinque;that's good; same end state as cancer
1254661;1440784159;mircea_popescu;it has to.
1254662;1440784171;mircea_popescu;the state has two stable sizes. very small and =1.
1254663;1440784178;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen. << The most fun part of the game is looking for a way to inflict maximum damage by sacrificing your own queen
1254664;1440784178;PeterL;people are reaching that point where they realize they can just vote for the guy who promises to give them the most of other people's money
1254665;1440784186;mircea_popescu;yup
1254666;1440784193;mircea_popescu;so everyone must be made to think they work for govt
1254667;1440784199;mircea_popescu;often this means giving them actual jobs.
1254668;1440784222;PeterL;"increase the dole"
1254669;1440784245;mircea_popescu;also, pulpo. http://36.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN51c9k8e39inzouf_1280.jpg
1254670;1440784246;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqMN9T )
1254671;1440784248;trinque;I'm pretty amused by Trump. We can't even do the angry-demagogue phase of the thing right.
1254672;1440784279;trinque;guy's just slightly rude, and this is all we can muster
1254673;1440784376;mircea_popescu;he's a fine pappen.
1254674;1440784405;mircea_popescu;you think, by the way, "oh, weimar republic was weak so strong leader arose in hitler". this is bunk.
1254675;1440784412;mircea_popescu;there were > 100 of them running around before you get to hitler.
1254676;1440784420;mircea_popescu;much like stalin was a minor player. until he wasn't.
1254677;1440784480;thestringpuller;mod6 ben_vulpes https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/cuipewb << Luke-Jr calls the foundation's client obsolete and insecure.
1254678;1440784494;mircea_popescu;which is what mp said... 6 months ago.
1254679;1440784519;PeterL;foundation client or phoundation client?
1254680;1440784519;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he's talking about therealbitcoin
1254681;1440784544;ascii_field;the former
1254682;1440784558;mircea_popescu;so then the faux foundation ?
1254683;1440784564;mircea_popescu;he should say that.
1254684;1440784581;trinque;well, he's obsolete and insecure
1254685;1440784585;ascii_field;he's speaking of 0.5.3-therealbitcoin
1254686;1440784592;thestringpuller;^^^-yea
1254687;1440784602;mircea_popescu;i dunno why people insist of talking of things using the wrong words.
1254688;1440784615;mircea_popescu;he wants to talk about the scam-foundation faux-client, he can say that
1254689;1440784615;ascii_field;'obsolete, insecure' aha. where do we seppuku
1254690;1440784623;mircea_popescu;no need to keep trying to actualise his hopes in speech.
1254691;1440784787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.0007098 = 1.4359 BTC [-]
1254692;1440784988;BingoBoingo;!rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure
1254693;1440784988;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e22144e30b704294
1254694;1440785003;trinque;tellingly, the guy still idles here and reads logs.
1254695;1440785019;mircea_popescu;<trinque> "gotta like all my pinterests" << incidentally this is how the "friendzone" happens. if guy confuses the female-group imperative ("gotta be on switch or wtf that ipad dating thing was called") for the female-individual imperative ("gotta carry her bag") the female adds to her observation that "this guy is not matable" the obvious "but exploitable".
1254696;1440785061;BingoBoingo;!rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure, BFL delivery bet scam
1254697;1440785061;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ecb20f09f897357c
1254698;1440785091;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.luke-jr.-1:5a3abd39d250fc79926306dac67b007d5b0327874ca304915315de4f7c1271f0
1254699;1440785091;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for luke-jr with note: obsolete, insecure, BFL delivery bet scam
1254700;1440785159;mircea_popescu;tinder not switch.
1254701;1440785173;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does googling "ipad dating app" return... "heavy.com". wtf is that even
1254702;1440785199;trinque;"aggregator" aka ad dumping ground
1254703;1440785200;trinque;looks like
1254704;1440785220;BingoBoingo;!rate asciilifeform 10 Shiva destroyer of Worlds
1254705;1440785220;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7b87251cd5f5f00b
1254706;1440785221;trinque;and yeah, Tinder's the one. I couldn't be less interested.
1254707;1440785258;trinque;there's also OkCupid if you want the pretense of personality involved
1254708;1440785263;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.asciilifeform.10:e0ef25dc9678cd62653f4d449ea9c4d74a520b733c8551bc5fe5a664339abbb2
1254709;1440785263;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 4 to 10 with note: Shiva destroyer of Worlds
1254710;1440785340;trinque;tinder you just swipe through pictures and upvote people
1254711;1440785350;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.kakobrekla.10:2012b65db8c1ef2746be2e1b191d513b5740660e5d606813406f3c4030a996a4
1254712;1440785350;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 6 to 10 with note: Department of making shit work, cookies
1254713;1440785433;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.mircea_popescu.10:81d35d97a4fc7295dcbd026a1dec2784bdd8ed70c04ea2deefa697fcfed83bcb
1254714;1440785433;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 6 to 10 with note: Ongoing bsns
1254715;1440785534;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.jurov.5:5beaaa88dd2758dfebc0566d5f885bc07d93911cc9fb9a154121a3f46b8f613b
1254716;1440785534;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 5 with note: still around
1254717;1440785556;trinque;speaking of which, ey yo jurov, friendly reminder that I can't change mailman settings
1254718;1440785631;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.gavmatic:92cf59547eee9f072efdcf08ce974f6b2609269e78005bbdd50d60a436e38eb2
1254719;1440785631;assbot;Successfully unrated gavmatic
1254720;1440785674;trinque;mircea_popescu: culturally I think the US is getting to the point where everyone's going insane for lack of "No."
1254721;1440785678;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA << check out her fucking hair omfg.
1254722;1440785679;assbot;Mireille Mathieu singing La Marseillaise (with lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJPMS2 )
1254723;1440785686;mircea_popescu;and yet, easily best marseillaise to date.
1254724;1440785692;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.vhost-:829deaf253b02a910fe7ce3080cd3eb2e7624b636bea37f5a962a1012a4baa7b
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1254726;1440785706;trinque;ah I've heard this one I think
1254727;1440785707;trinque;yep
1254728;1440785731;mircea_popescu;rare to find a french girl that says the r fucking proper.
1254729;1440785738;mircea_popescu;all this lazy italian shit.
1254730;1440785757;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.ragnardanneskjol:19bddb9895a583540840f57046c61ea1b5639000c0b807873e28dd36df33f1d1
1254731;1440785757;assbot;Successfully unrated ragnardanneskjol
1254732;1440785804;mircea_popescu;(french r being very much its own, quite specific thing. like cheese.)
1254733;1440785841;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.bcb:7d8b9005d92b4f5f6c508fe20e93ed75588b1765f9ccaa25169aab79bc2db3dc
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1254737;1440786067;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mats with note: Around a while in various forms
1254738;1440786123;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.mats_cd03:2b50085b7c0e8fedf178a97502b40071da9a739ebe206a913068fc5b08057808
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1254740;1440786220;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.cazalla.8:dcf95857d09595e15c2ad84a1576cd0aeb1420249dec22f407d17d10ce8c4b5e
1254741;1440786220;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for cazalla from 3 to 8 with note: srs bsns, bunny rancher supreme
1254742;1440786228;BingoBoingo;And that should be it for nao
1254743;1440786936;thestringpuller;trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."
1254744;1440786955;trinque;bet she was
1254745;1440786967;trinque;Tinder after all, is repackaged Grindr iirc
1254746;1440786976;trinque;the latter being a gay app for dick-shopping
1254747;1440787003;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAJ8KLGqis << and apropos of nothing, here's a gem in the sea of electronic shit
1254748;1440787004;assbot;Aphex Twin - minipops 67 [120.2][source field mix] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDoiaQ )
1254749;1440787024;ascii_field;trinque: any reason to believe the story ?
1254750;1440787081;trinque;ascii_field: which?
1254751;1440787094;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253617 << on a related note, from my local fishwrap: http://i.imgur.com/XzTzaAX.jpg
1254752;1440787094;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2015 21:40:59; mircea_popescu: now showing... tarzan.
1254753;1440787096;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDooj1 )
1254754;1440787098;ascii_field;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254743 << it
1254755;1440787098;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 18:35:36; thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."
1254756;1440787115;trinque;ah I'm wrong re tinder and grindr, not related, just one imitated the other
1254757;1440787121;trinque;ascii_field: I know plenty of whores, man
1254758;1440787123;trinque;lol
1254759;1440787139;ascii_field;trinque: not the fact of there being somewhere a whore
1254760;1440787144;ascii_field;the other assertions
1254761;1440787182;trinque;depends on the chick, but if you're not fat, have all your teeth, and so on, I find it hard to believe a girl couldn't find a lay on such a thing
1254762;1440787192;ascii_field;AND WITHOUT
1254763;1440787209;thestringpuller;^^^- chicks be in Brooklyn be awkward yo.
1254764;1440787230;thestringpuller;see: "Broad City" these girls actually exist.
1254765;1440787271;trinque;heh I actually find both of those rather attractive.
1254766;1440787286;trinque;hilarious show, too
1254767;1440787301;thestringpuller;trinque and my girlfriend would get along
1254768;1440788245;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1254769;1440788265;thestringpuller;ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3E9YD7G.txt << the original article. transposed especially for you!
1254770;1440788326;punkman;http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/08/26/763754/10147328/en/Overstock-com-to-Acquire-SpeedRoute-Technologies-and-Related-Businesses.html
1254771;1440788327;assbot;Overstock.com to Acquire SpeedRoute Technologies and Related Businesses Nasdaq:OSTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDqpeX )
1254772;1440788346;punkman;""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers  have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.'  The acquisition of SpeedRoute brings to fruition the idea behind t0.com:   making financial markets more fair and efficient through the  application of crypto technology," said Overstock CEO Patrick M. Byrne."
1254773;1440788349;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1254774;1440788360;ascii_field;thestringpuller: reads entirely like an especially imbecilic vendor shill
1254775;1440788393;thestringpuller;it does, doesn't it. but it seems entirely plausible
1254776;1440788410;trinque;"democratize" !!
1254777;1440788428;trinque;my interest is embiggened
1254778;1440788429;ascii_field;the 'funny cartoonist' bit settles it
1254779;1440788685;trinque;so, I've been running alsa for quite a while without software mixing, only to bother looking into it this week (surely this could be done before pulseaudio!)
1254780;1440788711;trinque;I burned out the poetteringaudio before even bothering with an alternative
1254781;1440788714;trinque;and... dmix
1254782;1440788723;trinque;wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface
1254783;1440788741;trinque;lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume
1254784;1440788797;punkman;I always remember this picture http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png
1254785;1440788799;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDrlzW )
1254786;1440788822;trinque;hideous
1254787;1440788972;trinque;how can open source result in anything else?
1254788;1440789043;*;punkman kicks the jukebox
1254789;1440789044;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kadmdU6oc
1254790;1440789045;assbot;Handsome Boy Modeling School - Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDrO5e )
1254791;1440789070;BingoBoingo;<trinque> wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface << Really that's all it is
1254792;1440789098;punkman;it's like X for audio
1254793;1440789103;trinque;if I want my music over there, I'm gonna run mpd over there... and connect to it
1254794;1440789145;trinque;punkman: not bad tunes
1254795;1440789282;trinque;from the perspective of utility, sure, having plan9-like network transparency sounds neat
1254796;1440789287;trinque;for devices, etc
1254797;1440789320;trinque;but... not on this operating system, and not on this hardware
1254798;1440789351;trinque;punkman: this your playlist? it picked lovage next
1254799;1440789357;trinque;Mike Patton is god.
1254800;1440789367;trinque;dan the automator also.
1254801;1440789371;thestringpuller;ugh Fucking Mr. Bungle
1254802;1440789381;thestringpuller;He was only good in Mr. Bungle and only for like 2 albums.
1254803;1440789385;trinque;untrue.
1254804;1440789391;punkman;trinque: no I guess that's youtube magic
1254805;1440789422;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp8U6Mt_OG8 << patton was also a better dillinger than dillinger
1254806;1440789423;assbot;The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (2002) [Full EP] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsxTU )
1254807;1440789430;trinque;though hardcore's not for everyone
1254808;1440789433;thestringpuller;I love disco volante by Mr. Bungle
1254809;1440789460;thestringpuller;And I love the esoteric/avant garde music that kinda breached from it like Estradasphere
1254810;1440789484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00070076 = 2.0672 BTC [-] {2} 
1254811;1440789485;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnauET6TwYI << my favorite mr bungle
1254812;1440789485;assbot;Mr. Bungle - Pink Cigarette - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsDLa )
1254813;1440789580;thestringpuller;oh the 90's. California was an okay album
1254814;1440789591;thestringpuller;only cause Disco Volante was mindblowing
1254815;1440789664;thestringpuller;trinque: totally got me nostalgia for early college days. :P
1254816;1440789690;fluffypony;wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/google_apple_ads/
1254817;1440789690;assbot;Google tells iOS 9 app devs: Switch off HTTPS if you want that sweet sweet ad money from us • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfpL6 )
1254818;1440789717;trinque;fluffypony: Tim Cook has at least paid lip-service to privacy
1254819;1440789723;trinque;for whatever that's worth, not a lot imo
1254820;1440789742;punkman;fluffypony: I see no difference between the two
1254821;1440789751;trinque;sure, "Messages" is end-to-end encrypted. and they can pull the keys from you at any time
1254822;1440789772;danielpbarron;since when is https considered 'privacy' ?
1254823;1440789783;fluffypony;punkman: Apple has enabled HTTPS-everywhere in iOS 9, and Google is saying that you have to disable it in your app if you want to serve Google Ads and gets paid
1254824;1440789799;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3TrvhsrYs << one more patton track
1254825;1440789800;assbot;Faith No More- Land of Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfBKD )
1254826;1440789811;fluffypony;danielpbarron: private in terms of your ISP or someone else at the coffee shop sniffing your connection
1254827;1440789815;fluffypony;not private private
1254828;1440789825;fluffypony;hence pro-privacy
1254829;1440789837;punkman;fluffypony: meta-privacy?
1254830;1440789843;trinque;kinda like how I'm free
1254831;1440789857;danielpbarron;a lock to keep out the people who wouldn't have tried anyway
1254832;1440789858;trinque;sing. and rejoice! and sing. and rejoice!
1254833;1440789873;fluffypony;danielpbarron: I've often used ARP poisoning at coffee shops, for shits and giggles
1254834;1440789913;trinque;heh.. they're "trying to be private" !
1254835;1440789943;danielpbarron;if you are reading it, it's written for you (TM)
1254836;1440790020;trinque;so I've been looking into pagers, speaking of smartphones
1254837;1440790033;trinque;alphanumeric pocsag
1254838;1440790039;trinque;it seems to do everything I'd ever want
1254839;1440790061;trinque;for longer messages, send out a page with a URL to an encrypted paste, or something
1254840;1440790073;trinque;and you can retrieve whenever you feel like at some wifi hotspot
1254841;1440790120;trinque;finding a paging service is rough... seems like I want to find a reseller for americanmessaging.net
1254842;1440790125;trinque;biggest network from what I've seen
1254843;1440790131;*;ascii_field pictures trinque hastily eating a onetimepad
1254844;1440790138;trinque;lol
1254845;1440790159;trinque;!up ascii_field
1254846;1440790159;thestringpuller;http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << Interview with Gavin on how bitcion is going to die if we don't listen!!!!1111
1254847;1440790513;ben_vulpes;ninjashogun and luke-jr sitting in a tree
1254848;1440790522;ben_vulpes;d-e-r-p-i-n-g
1254849;1440790773;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> the other assertions << college is slightly harder because tight packed in sardine can. other girls keep tabs on the hot guys.
1254850;1440790853;mircea_popescu;<punkman> ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers  have only << hurrr. nice lol.
1254851;1440790889;mircea_popescu;<trinque> lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume << quite.
1254852;1440790906;mircea_popescu;in fairness, guy didn't come out of nowhere. he was prepping for it longer than it'd have take to do 5 bootcamps.
1254853;1440790978;punkman;audio server has some uses but not for civilian
1254854;1440790996;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side << google just wants their "privacy". https et all.
1254855;1440791081;trinque;punkman: given existing computing systems, I'd rather run a wire than use pulseaudio's streaming
1254856;1440791086;ben_vulpes;trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qttGJ3il62Y
1254857;1440791087;assbot;Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDviof )
1254858;1440791134;*;trinque begins to nod
1254859;1440791142;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/xZCzkpWy24rbgiqfEkfOLoW0_500.jpg << win.
1254860;1440791143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDvnbt )
1254861;1440791172;trinque;lol, somebody bought me "moon shoes" when I was a kid
1254862;1440791176;trinque;things were terrible
1254863;1440791184;ben_vulpes;seeed is amazing
1254864;1440791184;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1254865;1440791195;trinque;http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81HYaGSkfFL._SL1500_.jpg
1254866;1440791196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDvsfr )
1254867;1440791224;trinque;I love the way the german language sounds.
1254868;1440791292;trinque;was trying to learn; the myriad articles still kick my puny english ass
1254869;1440791333;trinque;though their specificity, I'm sure very useful
1254870;1440791354;mircea_popescu;what myriad dood, there's 3.
1254871;1440791358;trinque;"this particular one of the set" which is what, dieser?
1254872;1440791362;mircea_popescu;you should see fucking romanian or russian if german is myriad
1254873;1440791365;trinque;that stood out as glaringly absent in english
1254874;1440791369;trinque;oh, I admitted my english puniness
1254875;1440791370;mircea_popescu;trinque depends on gender.
1254876;1440791371;trinque;lol
1254877;1440791406;mircea_popescu;but just because english makes a mess of vocative case / demonstrative pronoun / possesives etc doesn't mean much.
1254878;1440791424;mircea_popescu;(demonstrative is what got boiled down into this/that/these/those)
1254879;1440791461;mircea_popescu;most languages also have a posessive, which in english is conflated in his/hers/theirs.
1254880;1440791492;mircea_popescu;like in romanian you can ask "ale cui is pizdele astea ?" (whose are these cunts ?) and the anser come "ale aceluia" (that guy's) or ale aceleia (that gal's) etc.
1254881;1440791537;ben_vulpes;trinque: dancehall caballeros is another excellent track of theirs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYg9omPYx_M
1254882;1440791538;assbot;Seeed - Dancehall Caballeros (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDw4S6 )
1254883;1440791541;mircea_popescu;so you have the seemingly confounding a/al/ai/ale + acesta/acela aceasta/aceea acestia/aceia acestea/acelea. for a grand total of omfg it's romanian - the gathering!
1254884;1440791593;trinque;yeah, I can begin to see how a particular language can limit the specificity of expression
1254885;1440791594;mircea_popescu;(these three males) + (belonging to that guy) = ai aceluia ; (this single female) + (belonging to that group of females) = a acelora.
1254886;1440791595;mircea_popescu;etc.
1254887;1440791602;trinque;will have to dedicate some later part of life to improving my grasp of other languages.
1254888;1440791610;mircea_popescu;just study latin.
1254889;1440791631;mircea_popescu;pretty much all structure of language at the outset of possibility is in there. once you learn it it's just "fill the colors" for any other.
1254890;1440791641;mircea_popescu;which is why it used to be mandatory for learned gentlemen.
1254891;1440791646;trinque;makes sense.
1254892;1440791736;ascii_field;ru works also.
1254893;1440791765;ascii_field;(for illustrating the above.)
1254894;1440791780;mircea_popescu;classic education in russian puts one at no disadvantage.
1254895;1440791786;mircea_popescu;certainly nothing like english does anyway
1254896;1440791812;ascii_field;no pluralgenderedpossessive though
1254897;1440791838;ascii_field;(it is not given to any one language to have all the jumpers set)
1254898;1440791840;mircea_popescu;incidentally the little card trading game illustrated above is the romanian #1 class distinguisher.
1254899;1440791859;mircea_popescu;"are you a pleb or did your parents have enough spare food in your childhood to have the time to teach you the fucking cases"
1254900;1440791937;mircea_popescu;and yes, about half the population doesn't get them right on the first try.
1254901;1440792007;trinque;!up ascii_field
1254902;1440792152;trinque;I've suspected due to the way russian speakers speak english, "a" and "the" might be absent or expressed differently
1254903;1440792189;ascii_field;trinque: ru lacks articles
1254904;1440792208;mircea_popescu;it declines and you're supposed to guess from declension
1254905;1440792221;mircea_popescu;very...chinese, really.
1254906;1440792393;trinque;IRC seems to have influenced me to drop certain subjects, certain articles
1254907;1440792404;mod6;ascii_field: 195.211.154.159 << looks down
1254908;1440792408;trinque;at least while on IRC, not elsewhere
1254909;1440792429;ascii_field;mod6: loads here
1254910;1440792446;mod6;hm i dunno, maybe it'll come back
1254911;1440792458;mircea_popescu;but the main problem english faces is that it fails to make the complemet distinctions. in romanian : la baieti (to the boys) ; baietilor (to the boys). first tells you where, the 2nd whom.
1254912;1440792485;ascii_field;aha you can't 'homo homini lupus est' (tm) in english
1254913;1440792489;mircea_popescu;quite.
1254914;1440792509;mircea_popescu;homini / homines
1254915;1440792528;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2DSEFH7.txt
1254916;1440792529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i84zFK )
1254917;1440792537;mircea_popescu;"homo homines lupus est" = man is the wolf of men.
1254918;1440792554;mod6;level3 has some weird shit going on
1254919;1440792561;mircea_popescu;mod6 srsly.
1254920;1440792574;ascii_field;mod6: 213.x.y.z is the vampire imho
1254921;1440792575;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no you can, check it out : man is the wolf of men / man is wolf to men.
1254922;1440792596;mircea_popescu;english, as spoken by the fucking queen, before they got the current crop of hamburg tavern wenches, was in point of fact an actual language.
1254923;1440792597;trinque;is that "homini" like "upon other men"
1254924;1440792604;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that's an explanation, i dare say, not a translation
1254925;1440792608;mircea_popescu;trinque one's "to whom ?" the other is "to where"
1254926;1440792622;mircea_popescu;ascii_field much like the british empire was a pretension, not a reality.
1254927;1440792644;trinque;right, takes much more verbosity to convey similar, but not the same meaning
1254928;1440792647;trinque;as with git vs V
1254929;1440792723;mircea_popescu;it is perhaps not an idle topic of inquiry to find how much of the rotten-ness of extant software stack mostly comes from the unfortunate happenstance that it was written by people who spoke english with their women.
1254930;1440792750;mircea_popescu;a language clearly intended to be spoken to horses.
1254931;1440792756;trinque;seems like exactly the same dump-truck full of partially digested concepts in both cases
1254932;1440792815;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254742 <<< we're yet to even share a meal or a woman, 8-10 does not leave much room eh?
1254933;1440792815;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 18:23:48; BingoBoingo: And that should be it for nao
1254934;1440792827;*;trinque recalls the "visual programming" project, sees it now as an autoimmune reaction to english and various not-lisps
1254935;1440792830;mircea_popescu;cazalla maybe he knows something you don't.
1254936;1440792873;cazalla;perhaps, but i suspect BingoBoingo had a few drinks much like myself last night
1254937;1440792878;BingoBoingo;cazalla: We share a business. It's survived nearly a year. Also the particular numbers next to ratings don't exactly mean much.
1254938;1440792900;BingoBoingo;Oh, I did the WoT clean up just a little bit ago
1254939;1440792921;BingoBoingo;Sober, my weekend doesn't start for a few more hours
1254940;1440792924;mircea_popescu;"how representative of this person i consider my experience with them"
1254941;1440793018;mircea_popescu;and yes this discussion of structure does merely belie much deeper divergence in the actual usage, which i suspect is driven by fundamental divergence in phylosophy.
1254942;1440793045;cazalla;BingoBoingo, yeah i understand the numbers thing only has value to you, so i am sure you will not be offended that i don't rate higher than a 4-5 for anyone i've yet to share a meal with.
1254943;1440793057;mircea_popescu;for instance, in english : "they found the body"  (ie, corpse) ; "smoking is bad for the body" (ie, mechanism) ; this is the body of christ.
1254944;1440793087;mircea_popescu;in romanian : au gasit ~corpul~ [neinsufletit] ; fumatul face rau ~organismului~ ; acesta este ~trupul~ lui hristos.
1254945;1440793118;BingoBoingo;More than anything I use the numbers as a rough combination of interactions and "bus factor"
1254946;1440793119;mircea_popescu;three fucking words. because one's the mechanical body, and the other the biologic body, and the third the metaphysical body.
1254947;1440793130;shinohai;corpus Christi
1254948;1440793134;mircea_popescu;hence "hot bod" = femeie trupesa. ie, transcendental.
1254949;1440793177;mircea_popescu;whereas the idea of body as in "body politic" is all but dead in english, today.
1254950;1440793190;mircea_popescu;(that'd be the third there)
1254951;1440793227;trinque;hm, yeah. I have trouble with that one.
1254952;1440793233;trinque;might've used "soul" there in the past
1254953;1440793241;mircea_popescu;trinque can you explain the difference between cosmos and universe ?
1254954;1440793343;trinque;causes me to think, but I'll first suppose that the former includes the multitude of things within, and the latter refers to the structure within which those things exist
1254955;1440793351;trinque;but I'm by no means happy with those definitions
1254956;1440793367;mircea_popescu;but can you explain the difference between graph and set ?
1254957;1440793372;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: trup, l0l, труп == corpse
1254958;1440793381;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aha.
1254959;1440793412;mircea_popescu;ascii_field which in romanian is cadavru, mostly.
1254960;1440793426;ascii_field;trupesa <<< ahahahahaha gold
1254961;1440793465;mircea_popescu;literally.
1254962;1440793482;mircea_popescu;it is perhaps antiquated by now. but it's what rubens' good looking women were.
1254963;1440793490;trinque;well, a set would be a rigorously defined category of things sharing properties
1254964;1440793493;trinque;set of real numbers
1254965;1440793510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00071552 = 2.2897 BTC [+]
1254966;1440793533;trinque;a graph is a web of relationships
1254967;1440793548;trinque;I don't know that the relationships need be between things which would be considered to be in the same set
1254968;1440793555;mircea_popescu;trinque quite exactly : a cosmos is the graph of perceptibles. a universe is the set of perceptibles.
1254969;1440793565;trinque;very interesting.
1254970;1440793583;mircea_popescu;and as you might realise, cosmos-focused cultures write fundamentally differfent software from universe-focused culturesa
1254971;1440793607;mircea_popescu;the latter are preoccupied chiefly with entrance barriers, and are debating, predictably, if building a wall across colorado is worth the hassle.
1254972;1440793631;trinque;is this sort of phenomenological thinking vs thinking in terms of theory and structure?
1254973;1440793636;mircea_popescu;as if you know. but hey, the sets are rheaaallly very important to them i tell you.
1254974;1440793642;mircea_popescu;maybe
1254975;1440793651;mircea_popescu;it makes [some kinds of] science easier
1254976;1440793658;mircea_popescu;but those kids are pointedly nothing "social".
1254977;1440793717;BingoBoingo;Look at the herp derps trying to qntra ineptly https://archive.is/k8bEv
1254978;1440793718;assbot;Bitcoin Businesses Take Steps to Prepare for CoinWallet’s September Stress Test – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1i86rhM )
1254979;1440793718;mircea_popescu;(and the difference is quite understood by native english speakers, at that. consider how "universal karma" sounds vs "cosmic karma". which evokes govt bureaucracy and why ?)
1254980;1440793764;trinque;mircea_popescu: hell, my old boss before I struck back out on my own used "cosmic" constantly
1254981;1440793776;mod6;ascii_field: ok np, seems to be happy again
1254982;1440793795;mircea_popescu;trinque in any case "phenomenological thinking" is a void concept. thinking is not described by the subject it's applied to. you said something roughly like "lighting electrictiy". sure, it can be used to bring light.
1254983;1440793852;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1254984;1440793864;trinque;!up ascii_field
1254985;1440793871;trinque;assbot's sleepy
1254986;1440793886;trinque;forgets about sessions after a bit, I guess
1254987;1440793907;trinque;mircea_popescu: makes sense. collecting sea shells on a stroll is not thinking
1254988;1440793928;*;trinque happens upon a crab next
1254989;1440793941;mircea_popescu;not the point. the point is that "phenomenology" is directly equivalent with "which discusses things that happen"
1254990;1440793978;trinque;point is that one may think about phenomena, and not with?
1254991;1440793992;mircea_popescu;you can contrast it with ontology, or gnoseology for that matter. and obviously you can build other quite clever sturctures. but yours didn't mean anything is all.
1254992;1440794002;mircea_popescu;well certainly not at the same time
1254993;1440794025;trinque;rather, I suppose I am thinking with phenomena
1254994;1440794028;*;trinque knocks on head
1254995;1440794059;mircea_popescu;whatcha mean ?
1254996;1440794071;trinque;that the zaps in synapses are phenomena
1254997;1440794151;mircea_popescu;well they are, if you're looking at it. to the neurologist or w/e.
1254998;1440794422;kakobrekla;trinque voice part is session based, bot was restarted to ignore deedbot- rss links
1254999;1440794429;*;trinque nods
1255000;1440794451;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv4ifb1froOaf5mGd_250.jpg << wonder woman.
1255001;1440794451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i87rT9 )
1255002;1440794616;trinque;drawn by a radical feminist guy, iirc
1255003;1440794628;mircea_popescu;i have nfi
1255004;1440794703;BingoBoingo;lolfond http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2839
1255005;1440794704;assbot;JL: ‘I Feel Like A Second Class Citizen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSEpOb )
1255006;1440794905;mircea_popescu;"Furthermore, when the nobility went to war, they would employ foreign mercenaries as auxiliary troops."  << this, in partiucular, is rank nonsense.
1255007;1440794916;mircea_popescu;mercenary troops wehre the late medieval/renaissance equivalent of art collecting.
1255008;1440794923;mircea_popescu;they never had any military value or utility.
1255009;1440794943;mircea_popescu;(much like the reformed us military is about as useless as sugared sardines)
1255010;1440795038;trinque;there's no particular oppression of the whites going on except as a subset of the kind of oppression the socialist state commits generally
1255011;1440795077;trinque;if they pit one group against another, great. serves it well
1255012;1440795097;mircea_popescu;yes there is
1255013;1440795098;trinque;and I'm skeptical there are even "groups" to speak of
1255014;1440795099;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'Bescher' uns armen Landsknecht...'
1255015;1440795100;mircea_popescu;they're fucked in the head.
1255016;1440795106;mircea_popescu;that's all the opression anyone's ever getting.
1255017;1440795107;ascii_field;( http://ingeb.org/Lieder/unserlie.html )
1255018;1440795108;assbot;Unser lieben Frauen vom kalten Bronnen / Unser liebe Fraue vom kalten Bronnenfree midi mp3 download Strand Hotel Sechelt bed breakfast ... ( http://bit.ly/1i88LW5 )
1255019;1440795207;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ask the earl d'alencon
1255020;1440795279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00071703 = 3.5852 BTC [+] {3} 
1255021;1440795721;deedbot-;[Qntra] Teenager Receives Eleven Years Prison, Lifetime Supervision In Exchange For Guilty Plea - http://qntra.net/2015/08/teenager-receives-eleven-years-prison-lifetime-supervision-in-exchange-for-guilty-plea/
1255022;1440795896;mircea_popescu;heh.
1255023;1440795934;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1255024;1440795942;ascii_field;'life supervision' << is this the first sentence of its kind ?
1255025;1440795944;cazalla;i would hazard a guess that the lifetime supervision is about minimising the chances this kid can enact his own justice once he reaches an age where he realises what a dud deal this was for him (around the time he gets out i would guess)
1255026;1440795944;ascii_field;in usa
1255027;1440795945;mircea_popescu;nah
1255028;1440795956;mircea_popescu;nah.
1255029;1440795971;mircea_popescu;cazalla pretty fucking stupid deal, yeah. who the fuck advises these people.
1255030;1440796016;mircea_popescu;anyway, let it be said that joining isis is both morally sounder and economically wiser a choice than applying to any us college.
1255031;1440796134;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ria37d9mInY
1255032;1440796135;assbot;George's Answering Machine (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSGPws )
1255033;1440796228;cazalla;amusing that 20 years on, George no longer looks like typical fat American
1255034;1440796436;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents.
1255035;1440796437;mircea_popescu;JERRY: (sarcastically)Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way.
1255036;1440796447;mircea_popescu;fat loser had it : 20 years later america went hius way.
1255037;1440797210;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/12035309_1280.jpg
1255038;1440797211;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTrkZx )
1255039;1440797222;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/12035309_500.jpg even
1255040;1440797222;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTrnEI )
1255041;1440797732;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dja hear about the new indigo compound?
1255042;1440797744;mircea_popescu;no ?
1255043;1440797761;ben_vulpes;http://subramanian.science.oregonstate.edu/news/pigment-discovery-media-attention
1255044;1440797762;assbot;Pigment Discovery Media Attention | Subramanian Research Group | Oregon State University ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSJpm9 )
1255045;1440797765;ben_vulpes;pigment, not dye
1255046;1440797791;ben_vulpes;crappy link, i know
1255047;1440797798;ben_vulpes;saw the guy speak a month or so ago. rather entertaining.
1255048;1440797799;mircea_popescu;i hadn't even known oregon has a university.
1255049;1440797813;ben_vulpes;girls resorted to passing each other notes out of boredom once we descended into the crystal structure.
1255050;1440797816;ben_vulpes;oi!
1255051;1440797830;ben_vulpes;where do you think intel gets its cheap post docs?
1255052;1440797948;mircea_popescu;ah more of that yttrium-manganese stuff.
1255053;1440797951;mircea_popescu;pretty cool huh.
1255054;1440797964;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1255055;1440797973;ascii_field;i'd rather have uncle al's room temp supercon
1255056;1440798008;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's mostly a private joke, between /me and ex osu undergrad
1255057;1440798017;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not like it's this-or-that.
1255058;1440798268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00071699 = 5.4133 BTC [-]
1255059;1440798616;ben_vulpes;aha
1255060;1440799000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00071471 = 2.1084 BTC [-]
1255061;1440799707;cazalla;cannot find it in logs, but whoever mentioned the coindesk pop up spam regarding their conference.. just read this tidbit "..For instance Coindesk putting on this event: it's funded by Citibank, the conventional financial industry, rather than purely libertarian, screw the government kind of thing."
1255062;1440799747;cazalla;from http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silk-road-prosecutors-talk-about-bitcoin-ripple-money-laundering-1517414 which has some good lulz
1255063;1440799749;assbot;Silk Road prosecutors talk about Bitcoin, Ripple and money laundering ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmM8Y )
1255064;1440799786;cazalla;implies most, if not all exchanges are coughing up customer info upon request too
1255065;1440799878;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1255066;1440799904;*;ascii_field somehow escaped knowing about http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015 
1255067;1440799905;assbot;Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmYVz )
1255068;1440799912;ascii_field;srsly, 'consensus' ?!
1255069;1440799943;ascii_field;that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ?
1255070;1440799957;ascii_field;'Organisations like PayPal, Wells Fargo, the US Department of Justice and leading technologists and investors were among the buyers of our first batch of tickets.'
1255071;1440799964;ascii_field;not even trying to pretend otherwise, l0l
1255072;1440800003;ascii_field;betcha mircea_popescu will especially love 'Hear from Xapo's founder Wences Casares, who has been called 'patient zero' for bitcoin in Silicon Valley, on his deal to monetise micropayments in bitcoin with Argentina's biggest social network.'
1255073;1440800036;cazalla;oh look, a makeathon! how about it asciilifeform ?
1255074;1440800062;cazalla;i would pay to watch a live stream of you in that room
1255075;1440800070;ascii_field;wtf am i to do there.
1255076;1440800121;cazalla;make all the things with other aspiring blockchain developers, what else?
1255077;1440800158;phf;livecode a 20mb block support to golang btcd
1255078;1440800235;thestringpuller;ascii_field: when you say pet you mean like a cat or significant other you are sometimes inside of?
1255079;1440800246;ascii_field;the latter
1255080;1440800251;ascii_field;i don't have a cat
1255081;1440800267;ascii_field;(though i have cats orbiting the house)
1255082;1440800310;thestringpuller;reminds me of tv show wehre characters are like "Is Molly his wife or his dog?"
1255083;1440803026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00071471 = 1.7868 BTC [-]
1255084;1440805466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00071508 = 2.0737 BTC [+] {2} 
1255085;1440805772;trinque;http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum.
1255086;1440805773;assbot;Gavin Andresen on Why Bitcoin Will Become Unreliable Next Year Without an Urgent Fix | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3pNa )
1255087;1440805842;trinque;http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/ << mind-bogglingly disrespectful to one of the greatest inventors in recent history
1255088;1440805843;assbot;Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3uAx )
1255089;1440805939;trinque;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://phys.org/news/2015-08-appeals-court-reverses-nsa-illegal.html << perhaps a qntra
1255090;1440805940;assbot;Appeals court reverses ruling that found NSA program illegal ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3CzS )
1255091;1440805940;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1255092;1440805941;moonpunter;leave it to boston
1255093;1440806043;trinque;moonpunter: that invention... you didn't make that
1255094;1440806277;trinque;I must've been one of a handful of USian kids in the last generation taught respect, if nothing else
1255095;1440806339;trinque;now it's "Get in there, you world-changer! Make your mark!" and piss on our every monument
1255096;1440806685;moonpunter;what invention?
1255097;1440806694;*;moonpunter is lost
1255098;1440806910;trinque;moonpunter: Bitcoin.
1255099;1440806946;trinque;I am referencing our glorious head of state's comments re: business
1255100;1440807726;moonpunter;ah
1255101;1440807744;moonpunter;Agent Bell
1255102;1440809248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00070883 = 6.7339 BTC [-] {3} 
1255103;1440809553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00071879 = 7.3317 BTC [+] {4} 
1255104;1440810468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0006982 = 8.4482 BTC [-] {6} 
1255105;1440810720;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ? << in a word, yes.
1255106;1440810725;mircea_popescu;there';s no dream like pipe dream.
1255107;1440810756;mircea_popescu;and iirc xapo founder was trying his darndest to elicit attention here to little result.
1255108;1440810947;mircea_popescu;trinque let them get invested, all the more shit to pretend like "never happened".
1255109;1440810958;mircea_popescu;like the scam foundation never pushed bfl and so forth.
1255110;1440811025;mircea_popescu;"the man who really invented bitcoin" has a lot to explain re my cock up his throat.
1255111;1440811051;mircea_popescu;more things that "couldn't have happened" etc.
1255112;1440811186;mircea_popescu;also in the news, the "gum wars" of the 80s. http://40.media.tumblr.com/RF2VdCBLi47dakvvoIKvQ6fh_500.jpg
1255113;1440811187;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F4Ggxs )
1255114;1440811200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00069809 = 6.7017 BTC [-]
1255115;1440811945;mircea_popescu;and the viking madchen of the 40s. http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN46jpl344v9716wi_1280.jpg
1255116;1440811945;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrT4Eo )
1255117;1440812249;kakobrekla;;;tslb
1255118;1440812252;gribble;Time since last block: 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds
1255119;1440813757;mats;o_o
1255120;1440813781;mats;;;bc,stats
1255121;1440813783;gribble;Current Blocks: 371981 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 978 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1255122;1440814006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6229 @ 0.00071318 = 4.4424 BTC [+]
1255123;1440814928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me.
1255124;1440814972;asciilifeform;i formally declare the hosting subcontractor to be a piece of shit
1255125;1440814983;asciilifeform;and wish to make this known.
1255126;1440815028;asciilifeform;my thirtybux/mo penIII idiot box in american datacenter, in contrast, now hosting 'incitatus', has had one unscheduled reset in ~6 years.
1255127;1440815057;asciilifeform;dulap has had three in almost as many months.
1255128;1440815122;asciilifeform;phuctor is now in recalculatory limbo, and may be for weeks; and therealbitcoin node is in blackhole limbo
1255129;1440816017;mircea_popescu;hm.
1255130;1440816064;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
1255131;1440816073;gribble;Time since last block: 1 minute and 54 seconds
1255132;1440816142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but it's bulletproof!!11
1255133;1440816150;asciilifeform;l0l
1255134;1440816155;asciilifeform;evidently not shitproof though.
1255135;1440816161;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1255136;1440816475;mircea_popescu;i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing
1255137;1440816493;asciilifeform;who? the hoster?
1255138;1440816501;mircea_popescu;dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that yeah
1255139;1440816521;asciilifeform;that would be not unlike bank not grokking 'don't smear shit over contents of safe deposit box'
1255140;1440816534;mircea_popescu;dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting
1255141;1440816585;asciilifeform;not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably
1255142;1440816596;mircea_popescu;yea
1255143;1440816617;mircea_popescu;what are youn gonna do once p runs out of ram ?
1255144;1440816634;asciilifeform;we run out of sks long before this
1255145;1440816640;asciilifeform;but at some point it would need more, yes.
1255146;1440816643;mircea_popescu;sure but nevertheless
1255147;1440816666;asciilifeform;then multiple boxes and clever things with pairwise gcd.
1255148;1440816672;asciilifeform;but i don't actually expect to live this long.
1255149;1440816697;mircea_popescu;there's a limit on how many humans may be people at the same time
1255150;1440816705;mircea_popescu;imposed by adressable ram size.
1255151;1440816710;mircea_popescu;that's the true meaning of "4096"
1255152;1440816717;asciilifeform;approximately.
1255153;1440816733;asciilifeform;sadly there appears to be a much smaller limit in practice
1255154;1440816739;asciilifeform;imposed by fuck-knows-what.
1255155;1440816745;mircea_popescu;WHERE the actual cosmos is in this entire new "computer universe" never ceases to shock and amaze.
1255156;1440816778;*;mircea_popescu never could have predicted the "should be enough for anyone" magic number really discusses "how manby people may be alive"
1255157;1440816826;asciilifeform;hilariously folks still discuss the situation in purely geometric or even thermodynamic terms
1255158;1440816828;asciilifeform;'how many fit'
1255159;1440816857;asciilifeform;presumption being that planet ought to resemble a poultry plant
1255160;1440816875;asciilifeform;can fit 3x if you saw off the beaks, aha.
1255161;1440816939;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/XeVQDo0c63zgmd47cc6hmoEs_500.jpg
1255162;1440816941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmoFeO )
1255163;1440816961;asciilifeform;petrocheez
1255164;1440817820;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/3HWhJ1T6f3qxtgk3XNBxtajX_400.jpg
1255165;1440817821;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc7E9d )
1255166;1440817837;asciilifeform;thalidomide ftw
1255167;1440817887;mircea_popescu;yup
1255168;1440817896;mircea_popescu;saw a 20 yo with the flipper arm today.
1255169;1440817915;asciilifeform;there ~are~ other ways to get there
1255170;1440818000;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/soXoQtJ0J3lclrrlqe86ZTVz_500.jpg
1255171;1440818001;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmpMv9 )
1255172;1440818004;mircea_popescu;notrly/
1255173;1440818032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00070937 = 4.3626 BTC [-] {3} 
1255174;1440818730;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, at meta-kehlsteinhaus, herr metahitler plays metahide&seek with meta-y maids.
1255175;1440818740;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/aGkz4XFcZ3dor6bbXrS6cBPP_500.jpg
1255176;1440818742;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc8y5r )
1255177;1440818805;asciilifeform;l0l!
1255178;1440818891;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/1CdpS.jpg << in technicolour!
1255179;1440818891;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc8Lp6 )
1255180;1440818942;mircea_popescu;i have one for you, too!
1255181;1440818957;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/rtTT2NJue3ao6fkxlSSg1uiy_500.jpg
1255182;1440818959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uc8PW8 )
1255183;1440818972;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha. i think i ~have~ that one
1255184;1440819001;asciilifeform;the book, that is.
1255185;1440819033;mircea_popescu;lol
1255186;1440819037;mircea_popescu;are there chicks in iut ?
1255187;1440819043;asciilifeform;aha
1255188;1440819062;asciilifeform;can't sit a bloke in front of a card punch, y'know
1255189;1440819134;asciilifeform;http://j.livelib.ru/boocover/1000317190/o/4e97/A._Zaretskij_A._Truhanov__A_ya_byl_v_kompyuternom_gorode.jpeg << book i was given as a small boy
1255190;1440819134;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmqYi5 )
1255191;1440819148;asciilifeform;http://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#0 << somebody scanned it...
1255192;1440819149;assbot;А я был в Компьютерном Городе - Зарецкий Андрей :: Режим чтения ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmqYPa )
1255193;1440819191;asciilifeform;http://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#204800 << skip to the 'encyclopaedic appendix' where the pics are.
1255194;1440819192;assbot;А я был в Компьютерном Городе - Зарецкий Андрей :: Режим чтения ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmr3Cl )
1255195;1440819230;asciilifeform;hilarious comic, which can't really be appreciated today, prolly.
1255196;1440819274;asciilifeform;it helps to be a no older than 5 y.o. orc who has never seen or heard of a computer.
1255197;1440819713;mircea_popescu;i hated these as a kid
1255198;1440819729;mircea_popescu;"lying idiots, have nfi what a ocmputer is"
1255199;1440820770;phf;http://j.livelib.ru/boocover/1000317190/o/4e97/A._Zaretskij_A._Truhanov__A_ya_byl_v_kompyuternom_gorode.jpeg << book i was given as a small boy << i remember that book! it had a totally soviet intelligentsia cat guy
1255200;1440820770;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmqYi5 )
1255201;1440820828;phf;http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_6/13908191208532.jpg
1255202;1440820829;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKcjho )
1255203;1440820953;phf;i forgot that event existed, probably got thrown out during the move, along with my copy of занимательная физика by perelman
1255204;1440821069;phf;i had a friend, who run a fido node from his apartment, who looked exactly like that cat, if that's even possible
1255205;1440821146;trinque;translation of the caption?
1255206;1440821223;phf;"what sort of information can a computer output to the monitor?" "oh, all kinds..."
1255207;1440821975;asciilifeform;i still have that perelman.
1255208;1440821993;asciilifeform;(no, not the currently famous one. entirely other fella)
1255209;1440822287;phf;biggest disappointment of my schools years, turns out that "flea balloon" idea doesn't quite work
1255210;1440823301;mats;http://j00ru.vexillium.org/ntapi/ I had no idea a complete table like this existed
1255211;1440823303;assbot;Microsoft Windows System Call Table (NT/2000/XP/2003/Vista/2008/7/8) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqzKGO )
1255212;1440824104;phf;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me.  << if you start evaluating new hosting solutions, try these guys http://www.tummy.com. uptime on my box 529 days
1255213;1440824105;assbot;Welcome to tummy.com – tummy.com, ltd. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqBe3z )
1255214;1440825571;asciilifeform;phf: no go - usa.
1255215;1440825718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00070072 = 10.0553 BTC [-] {3} 
1255216;1440826829;phf;ha, found it, flea balloon idea was in "Mechanics for entertainment", http://glyf.org/tmp/flea-balloon-1.png http://glyf.org/tmp/flea-balloon-2.png
1255217;1440826831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTbrxH )
1255218;1440826832;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTbrxL )
1255219;1440826985;phf;asciilifeform: i thought dulap hosting was stateside. shame, tummy people are excellent at what they do
1255220;1440827087;phf;(entire perelman archive in djvu http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/P/PEREL'MAN_Yakov_Isidorovich/_Perel'man_Ya.I..html, probably of interest only for ascii)
1255221;1440827088;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1LIa62q )
1255222;1440827090;phf;!up Bingo_VACAY
1255223;1440827126;punkman;http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/655437/9a48cd3e7a8cbe8a/
1255224;1440827128;assbot;A look at The Machine [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1LIa8HM )
1255225;1440827180;phf;!up Bingo_VACAY
1255226;1440827257;Bingo_VACAY;Kidneys agents surround me. May have to dick my way out
1255227;1440827297;Bingo_VACAY;*Kismet's agents
1255228;1440827380;punkman;Bingo_VACAY: did you get the job?
1255229;1440827499;punkman;http://paulgraham.com/safe.html
1255230;1440827499;assbot;Why It's Safe for Founders to Be Nice ... ( http://bit.ly/1LIaBK7 )
1255231;1440827532;Bingo_VACAY;Best evidence rule
1255232;1440828687;Bingo_VACAY;Sorry taking notes
1255233;1440828718;Bingo_VACAY;Kismet is treacherous
1255234;1440828890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00070007 = 4.8305 BTC [-] {3} 
1255235;1440829500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00069933 = 2.5875 BTC [-]
1255236;1440829805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9368 @ 0.00069933 = 6.5513 BTC [-] {3} 
1255237;1440831269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13584 @ 0.0006966 = 9.4626 BTC [-]
1255238;1440834136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00070527 = 1.4811 BTC [+]
1255239;1440834512;punkman;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2400519
1255240;1440834513;assbot;The Economics of Bitcoin Transaction Fees by Nicolas  Houy :: SSRN ... ( http://bit.ly/1NFc6ZF )
1255241;1440834563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00070413 = 5.0345 BTC [-]
1255242;1440834749;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/26/world/europe/a-21st-century-migrants-checklist-water-shelter-smartphone.html
1255243;1440834753;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmFYfV )
1255244;1440834756;punkman;"Mr. Ali noted the popularity of Facebook groups such as “Smuggle Yourself to Europe Without a Trafficker.”"
1255245;1440835356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00070173 = 8.6664 BTC [-]
1255246;1440838101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5242 @ 0.00070163 = 3.6779 BTC [-] {2} 
1255247;1440838162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8308 @ 0.00069638 = 5.7855 BTC [-]
1255248;1440839687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00069638 = 1.7758 BTC [-]
1255249;1440840846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5472 @ 0.00069873 = 3.8235 BTC [+] {2} 
1255250;1440841029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00069638 = 1.8106 BTC [-] {2} 
1255251;1440841517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00070535 = 2.4687 BTC [+] {4} 
1255252;1440842615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00070513 = 5.1122 BTC [-]
1255253;1440842676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00070513 = 3.2083 BTC [-]
1255254;1440843117;shinohai;https://redd.it/3ird55   <<< rofl *of course you got hacked*
1255255;1440843120;assbot;Holy shit my eth accounts been hacked : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LIwQ2m )
1255256;1440844933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6370 @ 0.00070241 = 4.4744 BTC [-] {3} 
1255257;1440847617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6316 @ 0.00070961 = 4.4819 BTC [+] {3} 
1255258;1440848202;btcdrak;mircea_popescu: I know your views about XTcoin, but what are your views about raising the blocksize limit by proper technical consensus and released through Bitcoin Core?
1255259;1440850203;kakobrekla;btcdrak http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240685
1255260;1440850204;assbot;Logged on 17-08-2015 19:24:23; mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork".
1255261;1440850561;mats;http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately
1255262;1440850562;assbot;Gliderz - Personal Transportation Devices – Gliderzz ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErezUW )
1255263;1440850725;kakobrekla;segway without the handle stick?
1255264;1440854918;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
1255265;1440854921;gribble;Time since last block: 13 minutes and 46 seconds
1255266;1440854973;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ?
1255267;1440854973;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 04:00:28; phf: http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_6/13908191208532.jpg
1255268;1440854994;mircea_popescu;hory sheit it is.
1255269;1440855015;mircea_popescu;that's her right nipple and her left tit under that pinkish mess.
1255270;1440855059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00069942 = 5.8751 BTC [-]
1255271;1440855358;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255258 << what kako said, with the rider that the proposed thing carried exactly zero support by the people named.
1255272;1440855358;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 11:36:42; btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I know your views about XTcoin, but what are your views about raising the blocksize limit by proper technical consensus and released through Bitcoin Core?
1255273;1440855605;*;kakobrekla doesnt see benefits in forking
1255274;1440855929;mircea_popescu;"So bummed right now, wonder who http://explorer.etherapps.info/address/0xfe6404ba34ea4c30538ff4d058f4bf883220fd79 is."
1255275;1440855929;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcRJas )
1255276;1440855940;mircea_popescu;dude what the fuck is wrong with these broken minds.
1255277;1440855975;mircea_popescu;fucking monkeys already. so he fucks up, once by getting involved in a piece of shit scam, the other for sucking at math. and what he wants to know ain't "i wonder how i could be less fucktarded" at any point.
1255278;1440856054;mircea_popescu;instead it's "hey, let's fix my being a monkey with more monkeying around!"
1255279;1440856070;mircea_popescu; /0xfe6404ba34ea4c30538ff4d058f4bf883220fd79 is the fucking aliens, how about that.
1255280;1440856074;mircea_popescu;it's chtulhu.
1255281;1440856157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00069842 = 1.327 BTC [-]
1255282;1440856482;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2000 * 1.64 / (1160*2.03*3)
1255283;1440856482;gribble;0.46429986977
1255284;1440856617;mircea_popescu;"I told him not to worry about it, because so long as he built something good enough to spread by word of mouth, he'd have a hyperlinear growth curve. If he was bad at extracting money from people, at worst this curve would be some constant multiple less than 1 of what it might have been. But a constant multiple of any curve is exactly the same shape. The numbers on the Y axis are smaller, but the curve is just as stee
1255285;1440856617;mircea_popescu;p, and when anything grows at the rate of a successful startup, the Y axis will take care of itself."
1255286;1440856622;mircea_popescu;this guy is completely fucktarded wtf.
1255287;1440856624;mircea_popescu;this, he calls math ?
1255288;1440856640;mircea_popescu;i thought graham was supposed to be a competent old lisp hand. is this the brainrot lisp instills in people ?
1255289;1440856706;mircea_popescu;"Some examples will make this clear. Suppose your company is making $1000 a month now, and you've made something so great that it's growing at 5% a week. Two years from now, you'll be making about $160k a month.
1255290;1440856707;mircea_popescu;Now suppose you're so un-rapacious that you only extract half as much from your users as you could. That means two years later you'll be making $80k a month instead of $160k. How far behind are you? How long will it take to catch up with where you'd have been if you were extracting every penny? A mere 15 weeks. After two years, the un-rapacious founder is only 3.5 months behind the rapacious one."
1255291;1440856727;mircea_popescu;here's what i propose : paul graham eat 500 calories for every 1k calories he expends.
1255292;1440856740;mircea_popescu;he's so hyperfucktarded, he's only going to be 50% behind actual entrepreneurs.
1255293;1440856749;mircea_popescu;rather than the 99.94% his piece of shit "ventures" are currently.
1255294;1440856771;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, dulap is still ~50 blox behind
1255295;1440856791;mircea_popescu;so techniucally it'd be an improvement. and if he stops eating at all and instead starts puking edible vomit like some sort of invertebrate cornucopia, he might even be socially useful FOR ONCE IN HIS SAD EXISTENCE
1255296;1440856804;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is with these people omfg.
1255297;1440856806;asciilifeform;(lengthy blackhole periods apparent to naked eye, in log)
1255298;1440856816;mircea_popescu;i've been up an hour i've been reading nothing but scandalous stupidity.
1255299;1440856842;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255266 << sadly my copy of the book has a blank screen...
1255300;1440856842;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 13:29:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ?
1255301;1440856877;mircea_popescu;i can see why.
1255302;1440856895;mircea_popescu;i never knew the russians to be czech minded.
1255303;1440856904;mircea_popescu;afaik they're about as fucktardedly puritan as the anglos
1255304;1440856910;mircea_popescu;brief 90s lapse notwithstanding.
1255305;1440857050;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255288 << he wrote a textbook on basic common lisp for schoolchildren once. i still have it. can't comment on his programmatic work, afaik none of it has ever been published openly...
1255306;1440857050;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 13:57:20; mircea_popescu: i thought graham was supposed to be a competent old lisp hand. is this the brainrot lisp instills in people ?
1255307;1440857077;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look at this perhaps very worrisome set of two examples.
1255308;1440857116;mircea_popescu;1) naggum spent his mind on thinking about lisp, ended up a 40year old too fucktarded to get out of the rain. this is literally what happened, and one will have a lot of trouble talking around the failure of some guy to avoid dying of perforated ulcer.
1255309;1440857135;mircea_popescu;2) graham spent his mind on thinking about lisp, ended up a 60 yo too fucktarded to understand even the most basic points of math.
1255310;1440857150;mircea_popescu;this "take one side of the story and run with it" is speciufic of ambitious if none too bright 15 yo boys.
1255311;1440857186;punkman;asciilifeform: he had his own lisp and I think he published the code that ran HN at some point
1255312;1440857200;asciilifeform;punkman: 'arc.' it turned out to consist of standard scheme with shortened operator.
1255313;1440857202;asciilifeform;s
1255314;1440857204;asciilifeform;operators.
1255315;1440857318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: graham is an illustration of something else: the corrosive effect of taking scam-money, regardless of the purpose, on intellectual honesty and in turn intelligence itself
1255316;1440857338;asciilifeform;it is impossible to do anything like proper thinking with sc4mz0rated priors
1255317;1440857369;asciilifeform;in the very best case, the result looks like tommy aquinas.
1255318;1440857512;asciilifeform;not sure if this adds anything to mircea_popescu's line of thought, but it is known that paul graham wrote common lisp programs using... vi. this drives me to barking madness after five minutes, and it is difficult to picture what brain might look like after a whole year of it, or what said brain must have looked like to even contemplate doing such a thing.
1255319;1440857679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform name a guy who did lisp and survived mind intact.
1255320;1440857691;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255261 >>>>  http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807681
1255321;1440857691;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately
1255322;1440857691;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this.
1255323;1440857695;mircea_popescu;maybe you're right, and it's incidentals. or maybe lisp to the young mind is like meth-lsd
1255324;1440857722;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neither of the folks you named encountered it as a young man
1255325;1440857732;mircea_popescu;"young man" = under 50.
1255326;1440857735;asciilifeform;(rms would be a better example)
1255327;1440857743;mircea_popescu;rms is not exactly a paragon of sanity.
1255328;1440857751;mircea_popescu;but in his case, it's prolly congenital.
1255329;1440857757;asciilifeform;hence better example of 'lisp as newton's mercury'
1255330;1440857787;mircea_popescu;not that i'm persuaded, but one can't not notice the coincidence.
1255331;1440857833;mircea_popescu;and yes, the "scam money rots your brain" think is also a very powerful theory.
1255332;1440857847;asciilifeform;more mundanely, sane folks tend to not end up famous.
1255333;1440857857;mircea_popescu;in this field ?!
1255334;1440857863;asciilifeform;in any field.
1255335;1440857864;mircea_popescu;babbage was famous alright.
1255336;1440857875;mircea_popescu;the list of sane folks in logic is impressive.
1255337;1440857883;mircea_popescu;now, math people are generally a loony bunch, but
1255338;1440857907;mircea_popescu;in computing (the actual kind) the record's not as bad as in most other disciplines.
1255339;1440857973;asciilifeform;today, some degree of lunacy is almost a basic bar for being willing to touch the cursed machine in the first place.
1255340;1440858053;mircea_popescu;i'm unpersuaded.
1255341;1440858102;asciilifeform;properly sane people, for example, tend to stick to +ev activities.
1255342;1440858109;mircea_popescu;and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports.
1255343;1440858121;mircea_popescu;no activities are +ev, yo.
1255344;1440858138;mircea_popescu;this is what being intelligent means : the more intelligent you are, the less often you get more than what you put into things.
1255345;1440858144;mircea_popescu;that's the test.
1255346;1440858148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every sysadmin loves vi and nano, even. but programming in common lisp in an editor which doesn't automatch parens and autoindent is an example of something i might do in hell
1255347;1440858161;mircea_popescu;o that. well sure.
1255348;1440858170;mircea_popescu;i also you know, don't draw self portraits in it.
1255349;1440858242;asciilifeform;and it is perhaps just barely possible to program in it without 'who-calls', 'apropos', etc., but certainly not pleasant.
1255350;1440858278;punkman;editing text in a console drives me mad
1255351;1440858368;mircea_popescu;you do it on printouts ?
1255352;1440858471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, art is always and by definition a -ev activity, and people engage in it. for that matter, love and childmaking idem.
1255353;1440858483;mircea_popescu;so there's a number of different problems with this "ev activity" line of reasoning.
1255354;1440858537;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: art is +ev in the artist's diseased head. which is why insanity is a must.
1255355;1440858545;mircea_popescu;dobut it.
1255356;1440858572;mircea_popescu;i write the occasional bit of poetry/literature, and i don't either regard it as some sort of gain or myself as insane (for it)
1255357;1440858652;asciilifeform;'+ev in his head' != 'consciously regard as gain'
1255358;1440858672;mircea_popescu;but what then ?
1255359;1440858829;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193607 << possibly this
1255360;1440858829;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:34:29; ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
1255361;1440858876;asciilifeform;he pictured originality in thought as something like the 'temperature' in a simulated-annealing
1255362;1440858899;asciilifeform;turn it up past a certain point, and you get something clearly recognizable as 'batshit'
1255363;1440858916;mircea_popescu;i see little more at work than utter contempt for "fellow man" in the common sense this is given.
1255364;1440858917;asciilifeform;turn it all the way down - you get a housewife
1255365;1440858941;mircea_popescu;that most creative people throughout the ages would prefer to pretend "they're insane" rather than make plain their complete inadherence to the mob is readily understandable
1255366;1440858946;mircea_popescu;also known as "it's not you, it's me"
1255367;1440858972;asciilifeform;'insane' is necessarily a judgement made by the mob
1255368;1440858977;mircea_popescu;a housewife is exactly that : someone completely adherent to the mob. so much so she can spend all her time with children and not care.
1255369;1440858983;mircea_popescu;not so.
1255370;1440858987;asciilifeform;(discounting modern folks who walks around pretending to be newton on account of hearing voices, etc)
1255371;1440859128;asciilifeform;housewife 'adheres to the mob', yes. but the trait in question (or rather lack thereof) is the ~why~
1255372;1440859369;asciilifeform;from my point of view, proper 'insane' is when someone is so 'hot' that his mind has trouble sticking even to... arithmetic, cause-and-effect, and other knobs of the physical world we live in.
1255373;1440859398;asciilifeform;sorta like you can't have chemistry, in the customary electroweak-force sense, happen on the surface of a star.
1255374;1440859447;asciilifeform;see canonical 'timecube'.
1255375;1440859966;mircea_popescu;maybe a sufficient approach if all you care about is handling and predicting
1255376;1440859968;mircea_popescu;rather than "curing"
1255377;1440860000;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the model breaks down on low states. which is why the housewife is such a problem for your approach : she's hot alright.
1255378;1440860012;asciilifeform;in what sense hot ?
1255379;1440860031;mircea_popescu;in the sense that her brain works.
1255380;1440860033;asciilifeform;ice-cold, as far as i can tell
1255381;1440860045;asciilifeform;it works, but in the way a train works - on rails laid down by others.
1255382;1440860136;mircea_popescu;you talking from books or experience ?
1255383;1440860204;asciilifeform;from experience with the usual boring specimens of humanity one encounters on the street, in trains, lifts, jury box
1255384;1440860275;asciilifeform;the folks who neatly cancel out one another's sharp edges.
1255385;1440860423;mircea_popescu;it is generally rare to find a woman so stupid her actual optimal level is housewifing.
1255386;1440860431;mircea_popescu;it's about 80ish or so iq, reall.
1255387;1440860490;asciilifeform;^ by definition not especially rare
1255388;1440860552;mircea_popescu;it is rare, yes. look at the normal distribution, between say 88 and maybe 75 you get what, 4% of the population ?
1255389;1440860603;asciilifeform;~14
1255390;1440860616;asciilifeform;grind the gaussian.
1255391;1440860861;*;mircea_popescu looks at this
1255392;1440860977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you get 0.0726 between -1.15 and -.85 deviation.
1255393;1440860985;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255216 << the scheme pictured isn't terribly useful for the same reason that dirigibles are difficult to fly.
1255394;1440860985;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 05:40:29; phf: ha, found it, flea balloon idea was in "Mechanics for entertainment", http://glyf.org/tmp/flea-balloon-1.png http://glyf.org/tmp/flea-balloon-2.png
1255395;1440861037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00069712 = 2.9628 BTC [-]
1255396;1440861058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: traditionally '70' corresponds to -2 sd, and '85' to -1.
1255397;1440861069;asciilifeform;by weschler, that is
1255398;1440861077;asciilifeform;stanford-binet had something else..
1255399;1440861090;*;asciilifeform blows dust off ancient crud
1255400;1440861114;mircea_popescu;which is why i went 15% either side of 1
1255401;1440861128;mircea_popescu;anyway, point remains, rare enough.
1255402;1440861170;asciilifeform;'rare' enough to mostly guarantee a tard in every jury box, etc
1255403;1440861177;mircea_popescu;i guess the formula probably is, "the predominance of women best suited for housewifing equals the unit divided by the maximal litter of a woman"
1255404;1440861181;mircea_popescu;so like 1/12 or somethign lijke that
1255405;1440861197;asciilifeform;don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning
1255406;1440861206;asciilifeform;easily double-digit
1255407;1440861226;mircea_popescu;how's that supposed to work ?
1255408;1440861241;asciilifeform;ask them.
1255409;1440861250;mircea_popescu;they're not putting forth this theory.
1255410;1440861324;asciilifeform;can't say whether it is a biological effect or simply the matter of being in a room with small children entire day
1255411;1440861356;mircea_popescu;same hit people going to work for a bureaucracy exhibit.
1255412;1440861383;mircea_popescu;(which, incidentally, is WHY we only care to fuck women < 20something. that's it. after she's moved on to office life, you can have her.)
1255413;1440861386;asciilifeform;approximately
1255414;1440861414;asciilifeform;brain atrophies much like muscles
1255415;1440861447;asciilifeform;this incidentally is behind 'thinking people want to ~use~ their brains' which mircea_popescu counted as a sin
1255416;1440861481;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between wanting to use your brain as a general thing,
1255417;1440861489;mircea_popescu;and wanting everything you do to be driven by your brain.
1255418;1440861500;mircea_popescu;the former's sane, the later's of the same ilk as children going to bed in their favourite clothes
1255419;1440861507;mircea_popescu;BUT IT'S MY FAVOURITE PRINCESS GOWN!!11
1255420;1440861514;mircea_popescu;well... if you sleep in it, it won't be for long.
1255421;1440861517;asciilifeform;l0l
1255422;1440861534;mircea_popescu;aha.
1255423;1440861550;asciilifeform;but the point remains, that microscope does not benefit from use as hammer.
1255424;1440861574;mircea_popescu;whereas fuctkarded abstractions fucktarded people come up with greatly, and i do mean GREATLY benefit from a spanking.
1255425;1440861641;asciilifeform;spank if you must, this old gray head, but spare your country's flag, she said
1255426;1440861643;asciilifeform;or how did it go.
1255427;1440861775;diana_coman;asciilifeform> don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning <- interesting theory, as a mother of a 3yo I can say that the only way I can see that work is mainly due perhaps to sleep deprivation
1255428;1440861789;asciilifeform;diana_coman: iirc chetty said something similar
1255429;1440861795;asciilifeform;the last time this came up
1255430;1440861797;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i bet you it's primarly driven by internalised expectations.
1255431;1440861867;diana_coman;and no, I don't spend my whole day in a room with small children (and even when I do play with the lo, I find myself quickly ending up basically explaining graph theory on his train set/track or something other - not out of some idea that it will make him a genius, but out of boredom, yes)
1255432;1440861877;mircea_popescu;rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so...
1255433;1440861879;mircea_popescu;depends
1255434;1440861899;diana_coman;there is a big shock in the first year for sure
1255435;1440861903;mircea_popescu;diana_coman which is how camp inmates ended up teaching linguistics lmao
1255436;1440861949;diana_coman;but not sure why/how/whether that shock really is about brain matter shrinking or something
1255437;1440861999;diana_coman;oh, the first days/weeks or so yeah, hormones all over the place and funny stuff (such as forgetting why I went to a room or another or stuff like that)
1255438;1440862010;mircea_popescu;that's ok, i do that all the time anyway.
1255439;1440862123;diana_coman;fwiw children actually enjoy even graph theory (if explained on train track sets) so no, it's not as if one has to really dumb down necessarily just for being with them
1255440;1440862136;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255432 << considering that this works just as perceptibly on the fathers, it is probably an effect of hanging out with children
1255441;1440862136;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 15:24:37; mircea_popescu: rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so...
1255442;1440862168;mircea_popescu;diana_coman again, matter of internalised expectations.
1255443;1440862198;mircea_popescu;children, inasmuch as they're yours, expect exactly what they're getting and will be equally thankful for it, which is why a six year old is happy whether poor african or rich swede, just as long as he's with his mother.
1255444;1440862204;mircea_popescu;!up Huxy
1255445;1440862275;diana_coman;yes, but more than that, they are actually curious (as far as I can tell and not only based on mine) and enjoy something new - they don't care about the level really, so it's more a  matter of what the other people can "feed" them really
1255446;1440862298;diana_coman;sure, they will be equally delighted with someone speaking gibberish to them
1255447;1440862304;mircea_popescu;yup
1255448;1440862311;diana_coman;but that doesn't mean that you *have* to speak gibberish to them
1255449;1440862330;mircea_popescu;exactly. you don't have to grow fat and stupid now that you have kids. but if you expect to, sure, you will.
1255450;1440862346;mircea_popescu;and they don't have to learn about santa and the guy in the sky. they will, sure, if that's what you wanna tell me.
1255451;1440862350;mircea_popescu;'em*
1255452;1440862395;diana_coman;pretty much, yes
1255453;1440862558;mircea_popescu;diana_coman so are you making another ?
1255454;1440862583;diana_coman;lolz, I guess if I am, then I will, won't I?
1255455;1440862592;mircea_popescu;well obviously lol.
1255456;1440863073;punkman;http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/his/
1255457;1440863075;assbot;DHS Wishes Local Arab-American Would Just Hatch Terrorist Plot Already ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKVkvv )
1255458;1440863123;mircea_popescu;lol
1255459;1440863243;mircea_popescu;!up refferedbyloper
1255460;1440863294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00069803 = 10.9591 BTC [+] {4} 
1255461;1440863628;asciilifeform;umm no he isn't
1255462;1440863636;asciilifeform;or he'd be 'referredbyloper'
1255463;1440863673;asciilifeform;( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504 )
1255464;1440863675;assbot;Loper OS » Phuctor Broke Several RSA Keys. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjY1Qk )
1255465;1440863686;asciilifeform;so wtf ?
1255466;1440863715;punkman;he figured out how to get !up's
1255467;1440863729;asciilifeform;doesn't seem to be doing much with this one.
1255468;1440863760;mircea_popescu;odd ?!
1255469;1440863789;asciilifeform;refferedbyloper: you managed to discover how to begin at less than zero, congrats
1255470;1440863795;mircea_popescu;lol
1255471;1440863987;refferedbyloper; son't be mean, but be paranoid :) i'm just lurking around reading logs
1255472;1440864022;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/xZCzkpWy231sbgjtbgzNfZVG_1280.jpg did we do iced tits yet ?
1255473;1440864023;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKWsPO )
1255474;1440864023;punkman;http://stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/104.238.169.61
1255475;1440864024;assbot;IP Reports for 104.238.169.61 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKWpU5 )
1255476;1440864473;mircea_popescu;". In the same way that the people who used to use BBS systems in small numbers that are dwarfed by the number of internet users, Bitcoin will undergo a similar transformation, with similar beneficial effects, only this time, penetrating more deeply into society at every level than what is simple net access today."
1255477;1440864476;mircea_popescu;god help us
1255478;1440864500;mircea_popescu;because i'd so totally trade a mile of "internet" by which our friend of course means retardorama web 2.0, for an inch of bbs.
1255479;1440864516;mircea_popescu;fortunately the point is exactly that bitcoin doesn't work like that.
1255480;1440864550;punkman;who's that
1255481;1440864646;mircea_popescu;reading through qnrtra comments
1255482;1440865307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00070353 = 1.1256 BTC [+] {2} 
1255483;1440865429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8552 @ 0.00070108 = 5.9956 BTC [-]
1255484;1440865653;punkman;https://kingcope.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/mikrotik-routeros-5-and-6-sshd-remote-preauth-heap-corruption/
1255485;1440865655;assbot;Mikrotik RouterOS 5.* and 6.* sshd remote preauth heap corruption | kingcopes´ blag ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKYi2W )
1255486;1440866928;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, re the constant empress cixi references : the esteemed duke of wellington also contributed "Depend upon it, Sir, nothing will come of them!"
1255487;1440867015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00070354 = 1.0553 BTC [+]
1255488;1440867381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00070354 = 7.4223 BTC [+]
1255489;1440867900;trinque;does this "psychoticism" mean something like willingness to act *upon* a person or *through* them?
1255490;1440867910;trinque;made me recall "ready-to-hand" from heidegger
1255491;1440868045;mircea_popescu;i'd rather expect it's "a reckless disregard of life and property".
1255492;1440868080;trinque;if that, I don't see immediately how it could be an advantage.
1255493;1440868083;mircea_popescu;which is properly called "manhood".
1255494;1440868087;trinque;disregard certainly, depending on towards what
1255495;1440868088;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/aGkz4XFcZ2vt33xmbntwBlXP_500.gif
1255496;1440868090;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnu2KS )
1255497;1440868103;trinque;but if I disregard my nailgun, might not get useful results
1255498;1440868128;trinque;hearing aids have made quite the improvements over the years
1255499;1440868147;mircea_popescu;trinque you familiar with the "psychotic" observation of poincarre (the president, not the other one) that "universal lack of suffering may never be a policy goal, for the simplest means to effect it would be simply killing everyone" ?
1255500;1440868166;trinque;I wasn't, but I see the sense in it.
1255501;1440868203;mircea_popescu;well it is also in what a government of women would hold (and in those countries which do allow such nonsense, do hold) as reckless disregard of their litter.
1255502;1440868313;trinque;naturally they would, though what's sensible with a narrow view may be insane from a broader perspective
1255503;1440868328;trinque;so I don't think I disagree, just that "who says it's reckless?"
1255504;1440868349;mircea_popescu;i suppose the standard is "someone"
1255505;1440868385;mircea_popescu;and no, "what's sensible with a narrow view may be insane from a broader perspective" doesn't hold because "every sperm is sacred" and assorted nonsense
1255506;1440868390;mircea_popescu;EVERY LYF CUNTS!11
1255507;1440868505;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
1255508;1440868506;assbot;Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnuIjk )
1255509;1440868514;trinque;lol
1255510;1440868586;trinque;I suppose its obvious, but it points to an inherent conflict between the sexes.
1255511;1440868594;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255261 << seen any solowheels around?
1255512;1440868594;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately
1255513;1440868597;trinque;even more extreme in other species
1255514;1440868603;trinque;getting eaten after mating and such
1255515;1440868755;mircea_popescu;the practical options are conflict or collapse.
1255516;1440868770;mircea_popescu;you can't really have anything even resembling homeostasis in systems without contrary forces.
1255517;1440868792;*;trinque nods
1255518;1440868812;mircea_popescu;which is why "a life free of conflict" is such ridoinculous contradiction in terms.
1255519;1440868822;mircea_popescu;you wanna be dead, go off yourself already.
1255520;1440868905;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/#c4967 << lmao these derps still gonzoing around bitbet comments
1255521;1440868906;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 3.84 B (13%) on Yes, 26.68 B (87%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 24`943 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUlaZd )
1255522;1440868911;mircea_popescu;must suck to suck.
1255523;1440868920;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255342 << why not less, then, if we're not editing things.
1255524;1440868920;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 14:21:49; mircea_popescu: and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports.
1255525;1440868947;mircea_popescu;ctrl-alt-W for one thing
1255526;1440868958;mircea_popescu;or w/e, cW aB
1255527;1440868965;ben_vulpes;and that does?
1255528;1440869012;trinque;vi modal editing is superior
1255529;1440869013;mircea_popescu;search
1255530;1440869015;ben_vulpes;oh, find and replace?
1255531;1440869024;mircea_popescu;search/reverse search.
1255532;1440869025;trinque;I use evil in emacs for this very reason
1255533;1440869033;mircea_popescu;and i do make some MINIMAL adnotations.
1255534;1440869037;mircea_popescu;like fucking stalin.
1255535;1440869060;trinque;I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person
1255536;1440869061;ben_vulpes;trinque: if i actually wrote code, i'd be more inclined to use evil.
1255537;1440869063;trinque;I enjoy the use of my hands
1255538;1440869084;ben_vulpes;as it is, the bulk of my time is spent performing archaeology.
1255539;1440869098;ben_vulpes;speedup from modal editing would be negligible.
1255540;1440869136;trinque;just a matter of staying off the modifier keys; I use space as leader and various sequences of keys from there, usually involving index and middle fingers
1255541;1440869141;mircea_popescu;really, alf proposed a half truth when he said that if handling the mechanics of signing are the major time eater, one's clearly not doing enough work with the patches.
1255542;1440869160;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough.
1255543;1440869168;mircea_popescu;!up CohibAA
1255544;1440869223;trinque;ben_vulpes: not really a speedup; I've just moved common emacs operations towards the middle of the keyboard
1255545;1440869225;ben_vulpes;trinque: mircea_popescu's gist here is eerily similar to mr W's
1255546;1440869244;trinque;switching buffers is space-space
1255547;1440869270;trinque;esc is right alt
1255548;1440869273;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv2snpkftGZ97odjW_500.jpg
1255549;1440869274;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUlwyZ )
1255550;1440869394;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/BCFVP7xlb2slk8hgr2iraZVi_500.jpgbecause CLEARLY they'd have her keep paties on. man those bugs climing abound on one's thighs is such horror.
1255551;1440869395;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUlC9Q )
1255552;1440869432;mircea_popescu;for the record, /me holds the above way above theft and rape. it is the sort of intellectual dishonesty that should result in being drawn and quartered.
1255553;1440869440;mats;ben_vulpes: nope
1255554;1440869596;ben_vulpes;when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'
1255555;1440869747;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/2TdG78uXT2pyk3ybO7BUOTXA_500.jpg << and the panties were thrown.
1255556;1440869748;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnwSiW )
1255557;1440870244;ben_vulpes;regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made".
1255558;1440870417;trinque;ben_vulpes: seems generally you should always have a damned good reason for introducing new syntax
1255559;1440870430;trinque;what that damned good reason might be still is not entirely clear to me
1255560;1440870519;trinque;setf seems like an example of a good macro, where the general notion of "set the thing, whatever it is, to this value" is expanded to whatever the appropriate way to set that thing is
1255561;1440870541;mircea_popescu;what does "value" mean tho ?
1255562;1440870574;mircea_popescu;seems to me by the time i dun know anymore how to fill the something with water i have a problem more serious in there.
1255563;1440870577;mircea_popescu;what something is it anyway ?
1255564;1440870591;trinque;could be a slot on an object, could be some symbol
1255565;1440870597;trinque;and the value would be an expression to evaluate
1255566;1440870608;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255535 <<<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011152
1255567;1440870608;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 17:24:20; trinque: I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person
1255568;1440870608;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 02:20:39; the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of t
1255569;1440870609;trinque;but yes, that perspective is also sensible. "know what you're dealing with"
1255570;1440870623;trinque;asciilifeform: indeed
1255571;1440870630;mircea_popescu;if i want you to set a vector to "4" do i mean 4.0, 4.0, 4.0 ? do i mean 4.0, 0.0, 0.0 ie the 1st invariant ? do i mean 4.0, 1.0, 1.0 ie the 2nd invariant ? do i simply mean 4.0, normal, normal ? what normal ?
1255572;1440870630;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255542 <<< i did say this, many times
1255573;1440870630;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 17:26:00; mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough.
1255574;1440870709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a ok
1255575;1440870727;*;asciilifeform digs in logs, but fails to turn up, the discussion of typing
1255576;1440870740;ben_vulpes;!s symbol from:asciilifeform
1255577;1440870741;assbot;14 results for 'symbol from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=symbol+from%3Aasciilifeform
1255578;1440870741;*;asciilifeform writes perhaps a dozen lines of text on a typical day
1255579;1440870751;asciilifeform;(of executable code, that is)
1255580;1440870842;mircea_popescu;for that matter setting a rate of flow gauge (like say a tap) to "4" is not in any sense similar to setting a wallet to contain "4". it's more alike "4x", really.
1255581;1440870857;mircea_popescu;intuitive impression to the contrary notwithstanding, values do not contain their own definition.
1255582;1440870857;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255557 << the correct use of lispmacro is, as any other notation, to maximally orthogonalize the system
1255583;1440870857;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 17:44:04; ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made".
1255584;1440870864;mircea_popescu;which is why statistics is such iffy busienss.
1255585;1440870952;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'macros' (in the lisp-family sense, because they DEMAND homoiconic language, and there are no others) exist to shoot 'design patterns' in the head
1255586;1440871006;asciilifeform;(for non-programmers: just about every language, other than lisp-family, has repeated chunks of boilerplate that programmers end up forced to memorize, and litter their work with. these are sometimes called 'design patterns')
1255587;1440871028;ben_vulpes;what do you have against the delegateHoldingMyHandWhileComplexThingsHappenThatNeedToCallTheSystemStateMachineWithSpecificInformation pattern, eh?
1255588;1440871068;ben_vulpes;it is a very useful contract for writing code with other beebul!
1255589;1440871095;trinque;naggum on lisp not turning people into cogs
1255590;1440871107;trinque;^ macro, pls expand
1255591;1440871108;asciilifeform;trinque: that was my piece actually
1255592;1440871111;trinque;ah whoops
1255593;1440871113;asciilifeform;l0l
1255594;1440871140;asciilifeform;!s lisp cogs
1255595;1440871140;assbot;4 results for 'lisp cogs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+cogs
1255596;1440871254;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255484 << run moar weird closedsource networking systems, aha
1255597;1440871254;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 16:27:33; punkman: https://kingcope.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/mikrotik-routeros-5-and-6-sshd-remote-preauth-heap-corruption/
1255598;1440871276;ben_vulpes;well until trinque writes his database-inspecting UI generator, i'm stuck building machines that write software to extract data from databases and render it and manipulatory widgets for it.
1255599;1440871278;ben_vulpes;WITH PEOPLE.
1255600;1440871330;ben_vulpes;eg cogs.
1255601;1440871335;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to make the 'people' write programs. could send them to, e.g., make you coffee, while you write commonlisp
1255602;1440871358;asciilifeform;or even could not hire them at all, and keep the dough
1255603;1440871414;trinque;ben_vulpes: thing's probably like... clim and clos at this point
1255604;1440871445;trinque;and I've postponed working on that thinger indefinitely, reviewing the literature :p
1255605;1440871480;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: just doesn't understand How The Werld Werks (tm)
1255606;1440871485;asciilifeform;trinque: i more or less broke my brain against the wall years ago trying to make clim run decently under modern unixen
1255607;1440871492;ben_vulpes;"time and materials".
1255608;1440871502;asciilifeform;what i ended up getting was slow-as-molasses, almost microshitesque experience
1255609;1440871521;asciilifeform;was told 'go buy allegro'
1255610;1440871606;asciilifeform;so i ended up thinking 'if i'm stuck with a $maxint system where i can't hold a conversation with civilians because no one else has the runtime, may as well requisition 'mathematica'...' - so i did
1255611;1440871611;trinque;and then really, if you're dealing in the modern software "market", wtf is CLIM on an iPhone?
1255612;1440871630;asciilifeform;trinque: even 'c' on iphone is problematic
1255613;1440871638;asciilifeform;you're stuck with the imposed retardation
1255614;1440871739;ben_vulpes;why mathematica?!
1255615;1440871741;asciilifeform;(for folks who never suffered the misfortune of getting involved with ipNohe - if you want your proggy to have a ui, and actually execute, much less get past the censors - you have to write at least a large chunk of it in next^H^H^Hcrapple's abortion of a c-with-classes)
1255616;1440871823;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746
1255617;1440871825;assbot;Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27D3p )
1255618;1440871826;asciilifeform;^ discussion
1255619;1440871873;phf;mathematica is basically lisp written by a person who understood lisp, but hated lisp
1255620;1440871882;asciilifeform;phf: aha. this is discussed in the logs
1255621;1440871897;phf;naturally :)
1255622;1440871912;asciilifeform;he hated it so much that when he understood that there is no escape from it if you want a sane and fully expressive programming system, he gave it a thick spraypaint coat to hide it
1255623;1440871912;ben_vulpes;link?
1255624;1440871967;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ
1255625;1440871967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27KMb )
1255626;1440871999;asciilifeform;gotta understand that wolfram is a great (in the sense of edison) plagiarist
1255627;1440872011;asciilifeform;as in, expert plagiarist, who is very, very good at what he does.
1255628;1440872035;asciilifeform;(idiot plagiarists plagiarize text; clever ones - concepts; great ones - whole systems, disciplines)
1255629;1440872072;asciilifeform;wolfram tried to steal an entire ~discipline~ - as described in http://bactra.org/reviews/wolfram and elsewhere
1255630;1440872073;assbot;Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1N27MDR )
1255631;1440872232;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094237 << another thread re: same.
1255632;1440872232;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 21:17:14; ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance
1255633;1440872264;phf;<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ?  << yes, i didn't actually notice until i posted, probably a 2ch gag
1255634;1440872264;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 04:00:28; phf: http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_6/13908191208532.jpg
1255635;1440872280;asciilifeform;^ not in the book. a very clean photochop gag, aha
1255636;1440872297;*;asciilifeform admits that he had to actually pull the thing off the shelf and check !
1255637;1440872334;trinque;lol, I'd assumed the book was published somewhere with a sense of humor
1255638;1440872354;asciilifeform;trinque: sense of humour, but vga was hardly even a thing yet (certainly in the east)
1255639;1440872361;asciilifeform;so not yet age of electro-pr0n
1255640;1440872372;asciilifeform;(aside from basement vhs)
1255641;1440872444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0006982 = 18.0834 BTC [-] {3} 
1255642;1440872451;phf;well, also "В СССР секса нет"
1255643;1440872456;asciilifeform;(tm) (r)
1255644;1440872505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00071676 = 13.7618 BTC [+] {3} 
1255645;1440872526;phf;(http://russiapedia.rt.com/on-this-day/july-17/)
1255646;1440872564;asciilifeform;^ cult meme
1255647;1440872794;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255554 << from what i've been told, the common problem of all 'handlebar-less segway' machines is the muscle strain from the constant effort involved in not falling off the thing while tilting it to steer
1255648;1440872794;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 17:33:16; ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'
1255649;1440872804;asciilifeform;go stand on top of a basketball, to experience this.
1255650;1440872815;mircea_popescu;so why exactly hated lisp ?
1255651;1440872821;asciilifeform;wolfram?
1255652;1440872832;mircea_popescu;yea
1255653;1440872841;asciilifeform;ask him ?
1255654;1440872848;mircea_popescu;so i have.
1255655;1440872859;asciilifeform;but if i had to hazard a guess, it is because 1) it was great 2) not his
1255656;1440872879;mircea_popescu;this is actually a perfectly legitimate reason to take things from idiots
1255657;1440872879;asciilifeform;herr w has a considerable, imho psychiatric, 'greatness complex'
1255658;1440872889;mircea_popescu;(/me is still unpersuaded anyone involved in lisp to date isn't an idiot)
1255659;1440872891;asciilifeform;but he did not take it from idiots. he took it from smart folks
1255660;1440872898;mircea_popescu;who, rms ?
1255661;1440872902;asciilifeform;mno
1255662;1440872907;asciilifeform;long before rms was famous.
1255663;1440872919;mircea_popescu;greatness doens't get to skip a generation./
1255664;1440872924;mircea_popescu;it's either continued or unextant.
1255665;1440872942;asciilifeform;didn't say that it skipped.
1255666;1440872974;mircea_popescu;well so from whiom then
1255667;1440872997;asciilifeform;the lisp thing (goes far beyond a style of programming language, but concepts like dynamic type and garbage collection and a number of other concepts) started at stanford under mccarthy himself, then mit 'project mac' (nothing to do with apple), then mit ai lab and 'lispmachine'
1255668;1440873003;asciilifeform;then essentially vanished.
1255669;1440873024;mircea_popescu;sooo....
1255670;1440873028;asciilifeform;except that modern-day idiots use the broken-off pieces of it in everything.
1255671;1440873033;mircea_popescu;right ?
1255672;1440873041;asciilifeform;like the visigoths broke apart roman mosaics
1255673;1440873051;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin started with unnamed guy, then essentially vanished. except contemporary idiots using "blockchain technologies""
1255674;1440873058;mircea_popescu;can't blame a man for "stealing" from this lot,
1255675;1440873067;mircea_popescu;or for making it impossible for the lot to exert any further control.
1255676;1440873076;mircea_popescu;it's not theft, it's god's own repossession.
1255677;1440873097;mircea_popescu;ape may steal from man ; but man can not steal from ape. everything man takes from ape is glory.
1255678;1440873097;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: appreciate, there was no way to make lispmachine cheap in 1978
1255679;1440873099;asciilifeform;or even 1988.
1255680;1440873107;asciilifeform;the chemistry was not there.
1255681;1440873124;asciilifeform;just like we do not yet know how to make mass spectrometer cheap
1255682;1440873128;asciilifeform;or electron microscope.
1255683;1440873138;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1255684;1440873208;asciilifeform;today, the apes are nesting in man's burned-out skyscrapers, approximately.
1255685;1440873242;mircea_popescu;this discussion made me intuit a strange sort of reverse-marxism.
1255686;1440873263;mircea_popescu;for everything the common man "has" is a) not his good property and b) acquired by him through some osrt of redistribution or other
1255687;1440873269;asciilifeform;how else.
1255688;1440873272;mircea_popescu;and so everythiong the common man has must be taken from him, right now.
1255689;1440873285;asciilifeform;this was, in all places, a lengthy monologue in one of ayn rand's yarns
1255690;1440873289;asciilifeform;does anyone recall which ?
1255691;1440873299;asciilifeform;pretty sure it was 'atlas'
1255692;1440873304;asciilifeform;but where? can't recall.
1255693;1440873304;mircea_popescu;historically various accidental constraints made the construction of one's ideas vulnerable, and he ended up sharing some part with the mob
1255694;1440873308;mircea_popescu;that thing is going away, rapidly.
1255695;1440873323;mircea_popescu;soon enough, who he thinks shall have, and he only.
1255696;1440873332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was it ?
1255697;1440873343;asciilifeform;it was.
1255698;1440873353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: caveat: do you recall the experiment with the beaten chimpanzee ?
1255699;1440873368;mircea_popescu;what's next, experiments with seaweed ?
1255700;1440873375;asciilifeform;it was a kind of animal demo of why 'atlas' doesn't ever actually 'shrug'
1255701;1440873385;phf;i thought esotericism and knowledge guilds is how it was done until quite recently?
1255702;1440873432;asciilifeform;phf: the modern-day successor of that is the unspoken gentleman's agreement among programmers to churn out mountains of shit that has to be 'maintained' at tremendous expense forever
1255703;1440873433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's nonsense.
1255704;1440873485;phf;i have a very romantic view of guilds then, more like b-a, less then hacker news, but then i grew up on romantic literature
1255705;1440873499;asciilifeform;phf: navigator's guild in 'dune' !
1255706;1440873503;asciilifeform;who wouldn't wanna join that.
1255707;1440873515;phf;oh, that's fair
1255708;1440873559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nonsense ? be so kind as to demonstrate gedankenexperiment ?
1255709;1440873583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and, preferably, something that doesn't make me think of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116
1255710;1440873583;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.'  cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family'  mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
1255711;1440873608;asciilifeform;that is to say, some mechanism whereby 'atlas' may 'shrug' without killing himself necessarily.
1255712;1440873631;*;trinque roars with laughter
1255713;1440873661;asciilifeform;40.0.3 ?!!!
1255714;1440873666;asciilifeform;how many ~are~ there now.
1255715;1440873793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can conduct an experiment where i get together six poor africans, who then proceed to get drunk and be  stupid, and say "lo! this is man" and you'll say "gtfo these niggers out of hewre, they're unrepresentative".
1255716;1440873806;mircea_popescu;how do you figure chimps are representative ? why not go ask the ruminants of the fucking plains.
1255717;1440873817;asciilifeform;but if the experiment is about, say, effects of strontium-90
1255718;1440873822;mircea_popescu;but it is not.
1255719;1440873851;asciilifeform;it is about effects of hunger, among other things. which affects pretty much all mammals similarly, no ?
1255720;1440873872;mircea_popescu;no.
1255721;1440873889;mircea_popescu;and it is not about "the effects". it is abour social organisation, which is supposed to be a culturally normated activity.
1255722;1440873909;mircea_popescu;so no : i am not rawl's "any other man" and so very much less am i some derp's three dozen chimps.
1255723;1440873920;mircea_popescu;for all you know he picked from the wrong chimp country.
1255724;1440873930;asciilifeform;pan troglodytes doesn't seem to differ much from human schoolboy re: organization
1255725;1440873932;asciilifeform;afaik
1255726;1440873955;mircea_popescu;except in places (like shown by this experiment) where he does.
1255727;1440873998;asciilifeform;the invention of 'шарашка' demonstrates that the chimp trick works great on man.
1255728;1440874000;mircea_popescu;for that matter, go, write "a lisp such that any other man would see the wisdom in it and b e able to use it to whatever purpoise without bothering to learn it, or even read his own code"
1255729;1440874007;mircea_popescu;on fucktards, yes.
1255730;1440874022;mircea_popescu;it works great to distinguish chimpalikes aka ciumpalaci.
1255731;1440874028;asciilifeform;nothing works on everyone. not even aids virus
1255732;1440874041;asciilifeform;not even bullet in head (some folks survive!)
1255733;1440874171;mircea_popescu;for that matter, horse medicine works to some degree on some people.
1255734;1440874237;mircea_popescu;yet, to stay in the same anecdotal universe, whatever the шарашка proves about the fundamental worthlessness of "intellectuals", the vory/suka dispute prove that man is still not chimp.
1255735;1440874301;asciilifeform;i mean, i get it, mircea_popescu is with limonov in respecting the anonymous but honorable 'blatnoi' scum over korolev, who created modern rocketry while - yes - a slave
1255736;1440874343;asciilifeform;the product of this recipe is afghanistan and the pashtuns
1255737;1440874354;asciilifeform;(orlov is somewhat fixated on them as 'ideal')
1255738;1440874448;asciilifeform;whatever else 'vory' might do, notice how they don't ever appear to build orbital launchers ?
1255739;1440874466;asciilifeform;or thermonuke? or even create so much as a bulldozer ?
1255740;1440874522;asciilifeform;there was an interesting piece in some rag or other, a few weeks ago (?) re: mexican mafia stealing and enslaving white engineers to build their infrastructure
1255741;1440874537;asciilifeform;similar cases were heard of during the chechen wars
1255742;1440874574;asciilifeform;(and today from 'isis', though it is difficult from where i stand to get anything like an honest picture of the latter)
1255743;1440874616;asciilifeform;or chingis khan 'stealing' chinese scholars...
1255744;1440874645;asciilifeform;if, as mircea_popescu appears to suggest, chingis khan is the 'luxury model' of human, and everybody else is 'man lite version', why does the khan have to enslave engineers ?
1255745;1440874799;trinque;perhaps it's a question like "why doesn't the queen bee have to haul all this pollen?"
1255746;1440874831;asciilifeform;the queen bee has a biological function.
1255747;1440874854;trinque;and wouldn't a human leader also be said to have a biological function?
1255748;1440874873;trinque;like a social supernode which organizes the activity of other nodes
1255749;1440874878;asciilifeform;it is not clear to me that the fella sitting in ru prison barrack who does not a lick of work, other than organizing circle of thugs to squeeze 2x the normative quota from the poor schmucks, serves a purpose
1255750;1440874881;asciilifeform;any more than a tumour.
1255751;1440874894;trinque;sure but that'd be maybe a degenerate case of the thing
1255752;1440874955;gernika;mircea_popescu can I snag a eulora account?
1255753;1440875013;asciilifeform;trinque: btw it was not clear to the folks who ran the camps, that this naturally-occurring system of hierarchy was a net plus re: net tonnage from the mines. hence the 'vory/suka wars' mircea_popescu referenced, a famous case where su authorities tried to monkey with the 'org chart'
1255754;1440875062;asciilifeform;depending on who you ask - it worked. or didn't.
1255755;1440875113;asciilifeform;(the most notable successes, iirc, were when they hogtied 'blatnoi' leaders and methodically shipped them to distant camps where they would be lowered into pederasty immediately, with all necessary force)
1255756;1440875188;asciilifeform;there were also experiments in imprisoning them together in specially-designated zones where they would be permitted to rapidly kill off one another.
1255757;1440875221;danielpbarron;gernika, join #eulora
1255758;1440875378;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how tyrannical /were/ the Symbolics licenses?
1255759;1440875394;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they were ordinary for the time
1255760;1440875412;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'this is the source, no you may not show it to folks who have not bought'
1255761;1440875421;ben_vulpes;sounds eminently reasonable.
1255762;1440875425;asciilifeform;^ not that it would have done a 'freeloader' much good
1255763;1440875430;asciilifeform;as he doesn't have the hardware
1255764;1440875452;asciilifeform;recall, this was still the tail end of the era where software was just this thing that came with hardware
1255765;1440875458;asciilifeform;like wheels come with a car
1255766;1440875483;ben_vulpes;and the symbolics machines could run c as we
1255767;1440875488;asciilifeform;not only
1255768;1440875494;ben_vulpes;as well*, right? many other languages too.
1255769;1440875495;asciilifeform;even fortran, ada, pascal
1255770;1440875507;asciilifeform;and all could share data structures, even.
1255771;1440875519;asciilifeform;and use the runtime debuggability and repairability (yes)
1255772;1440875540;asciilifeform;^ yes, you could, potentially, repair and ~uncrash~ a crashed process
1255773;1440875556;*;ben_vulpes wonders at the notion of runtime debuggability of c-through-lisp
1255774;1440875567;asciilifeform;the trick is that it wasn't c-on-cmachine
1255775;1440875577;ben_vulpes;but c in lispm
1255776;1440875581;asciilifeform;but remained internally aware of intended datatypes
1255777;1440875582;asciilifeform;and bounds
1255778;1440875606;asciilifeform;afaik there were not many cases of c proggies being used in practice on lispm
1255779;1440875627;asciilifeform;it was more of a thing one might want to do if really need to use a page from 'numerical recipes in c' verbatim in a hurry, etc.
1255780;1440875661;asciilifeform;using c on lispm did not win you anything in any other case. it is rather like starting a campfire on the floor of your kitchen
1255781;1440875673;ben_vulpes;myeah, i can see that. how would it have handled modern nixy proggies?
1255782;1440875677;asciilifeform;yes, if you provisioned for this, poured concrete floor - you can.
1255783;1440875698;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: afaik no one was ever dumb enough to demand this.
1255784;1440875719;asciilifeform;it is like asking to not only have campfire, but mammoth hunt, in the kitchen.
1255785;1440875775;asciilifeform;lispm was only possible because 'consumers have come to expect' was not fully a thing yet.
1255786;1440875930;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i also can't help but laugh a bit at the phrase 'modern nixy proggies' - we're sorta stuck in 1968 state of the art...
1255787;1440875952;asciilifeform;and talking about how nifty it would be to get 1978 state of the art.
1255788;1440875996;asciilifeform;how come nobody asks how well 1958 state of the art would handle on unix ? the batch proggies, on punched cardboard ?
1255789;1440876013;ben_vulpes;okay okay!
1255790;1440876167;asciilifeform;btw, speaking of software licenses, anyone recall mircea_popescu's anarchist license ?
1255791;1440876185;asciilifeform;'no you may not use this code, except if you piss on law'
1255792;1440876226;asciilifeform;i recently thought of an equally-ceremonial 'software license'. would go roughly like this,
1255793;1440876349;asciilifeform;'this program may be redistributed provided that 1) this notice and 2) the original copy of $program, with my pgp signature thereof - are included; and any changes you made to $program must be represented in the form of a vdiff patch signed with a pgp key registered in the Web of Trust.'
1255794;1440876409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3488 @ 0.00069961 = 2.4402 BTC [-]
1255795;1440876444;asciilifeform;if anyone here has the muscles to turn this concoction into a formula which might threaten to work in traditional courts, in some major country - go right ahead.
1255796;1440876447;asciilifeform;would be interesting to see.
1255797;1440876551;ben_vulpes;nah, we don't traditional courts.
1255798;1440876568;asciilifeform;(on a sane planet, you won't need lawsuits to enforce this. no reasonable person will run code that doesn't have a wot signature)
1255799;1440876578;ben_vulpes;right, and there's why.
1255800;1440876588;ben_vulpes;the wot solves another problem.
1255801;1440876591;asciilifeform;but it would be an interesting ceremonial flag, in the spirit of mircea_popescu's license thing.
1255802;1440876631;ben_vulpes;perhaps "you may not share your patches with anyone else who does not have a license for my original copy of $p"
1255803;1440876649;ben_vulpes;as, of course, verified by your signing a license to their key.
1255804;1440876657;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is asking for mountains of 'mother may i' spamola
1255805;1440876666;ben_vulpes;howso?
1255806;1440876667;asciilifeform;it only makes sense if folks are paying.
1255807;1440876687;asciilifeform;~i~ don't have time to sit and issue 'licenses' to 10,000,000 schmucks
1255808;1440876696;ben_vulpes;no but if they pay.
1255809;1440876706;asciilifeform;but nobody's paying me.
1255810;1440876715;asciilifeform;not for anything interesting, at any rate
1255811;1440876719;ben_vulpes;you've not made anything worth paying for, then.
1255812;1440876725;asciilifeform;evidently.
1255813;1440876783;ben_vulpes;market, admittedly, is /tiny/.
1255814;1440876783;asciilifeform;perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for..
1255815;1440876796;ben_vulpes;oh it's even harder than that, asciilifeform
1255816;1440876803;ben_vulpes;it has to be commercially viable in this wot.
1255817;1440876860;ben_vulpes;regarding the "may i" spamola, you could issue a license to a trivially-generated pubkey.
1255818;1440876874;ben_vulpes;degenerate case.
1255819;1440876876;asciilifeform;but what's that get me ?
1255820;1440876891;ben_vulpes;some sort of parity with extant licensing schemes.
1255821;1440876900;asciilifeform;parity ?!!
1255822;1440876906;ben_vulpes;wrong word!
1255823;1440876912;*;ben_vulpes to food
1255824;1440876924;asciilifeform;i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?!
1255825;1440876943;asciilifeform;it'd be like those crackpot bums who stand on street corners and beg folks to take their self-published 'book'
1255826;1440876960;trinque;that speaks more to the "for free" than to the work, doesn't it?
1255827;1440876972;asciilifeform;trinque: aha
1255828;1440876993;asciilifeform;trinque: but we have yet to establish that there is or could be such a thing as software that is genuinely worth paying for
1255829;1440877024;asciilifeform;if there is, ~i~ certainly am not blessed with the gift of crapping it out
1255830;1440877033;asciilifeform;and wouldn't know anything useful to add
1255831;1440877037;asciilifeform;to the conversation
1255832;1440877046;asciilifeform;!s pay for sunlight
1255833;1440877047;assbot;0 results for 'pay for sunlight' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pay+for+sunlight
1255834;1440877051;asciilifeform;hm.
1255835;1440877084;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143414 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143413
1255836;1440877084;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
1255837;1440877084;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:23; mircea_popescu: mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$.
1255838;1440877114;trinque;could instead decide that you'll use your software powers to cynically crap out anything with a price tag.
1255839;1440877128;trinque;meanwhile inside the company building tools to make the crapping ever easier
1255840;1440877130;asciilifeform;that's sorta what people do now
1255841;1440877133;trinque;yep.
1255842;1440877143;asciilifeform;it isn't especially interesting to talk about, imho
1255843;1440877173;trinque;well, that seems to be the only way to amass the capital to do interesting things, at least from where I sit.
1255844;1440877174;asciilifeform;and as i gather, most of the folks involved on anything but the ultra-successful 'lottery winner' end of it, want out.
1255845;1440877209;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for.. << Eulora bots.
1255846;1440877220;asciilifeform;reason being http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255331
1255847;1440877220;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 14:17:13; mircea_popescu: and yes, the "scam money rots your brain" think is also a very powerful theory.
1255848;1440877224;phf;graham and naggum are probably not the best examples of lispers. graham wrote cgi scripts for clisp in vi and had unhealthy obsession with macros, did a web startup and sold it at the right time. naggum if he was a little bit dumber would've just been a kook, considering his completely insane angry rants. (and i learned a lot from naggum, but i don't think the manner of his death was a surprise)
1255849;1440877243;phf;there's greenblatt, tom knight, david moon, daniel weinreb, guy steele, peter norvig, abelson&sussman, jack holloway. stallman and minsky. not to mention cracauer, eller, fahlman, maclachlan, rme, ron garret of the later people that i know of, tons of people i'm forgetting.
1255850;1440877249;trinque;every business on earth needs tools to classify and count their things, and to answer useful questions with this information.
1255851;1440877255;trinque;and the tools are all shit
1255852;1440877256;phf;but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies
1255853;1440877279;trinque;I could see a scheme where you make a general solution to that problem which you do not sell.
1255854;1440877285;trinque;you derive specific solutions and sell those
1255855;1440877296;asciilifeform;phf: mircea_popescu has a marked tendency to go with lenin's 'intelligentsia is not the nation's head but its arsehole'
1255856;1440877344;asciilifeform;trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch.
1255857;1440877362;trinque;why can't it?
1255858;1440877398;asciilifeform;trinque: aha, it can ?! now you're married to microshit. because there is no way of reliably speaking the format in any and all cases except by linking their libs
1255859;1440877407;asciilifeform;and using their dev environment and joke of an os.
1255860;1440877414;asciilifeform;'consumer has come to expect !!'
1255861;1440877418;trinque;yeah but you're thinking like a scientist
1255862;1440877428;trinque;this needs no perfect solution to be better than what's available
1255863;1440877449;trinque;just "I can count all my damn beakless chickens" and so on
1255864;1440877461;trinque;and it farts out reports I give to my accountant
1255865;1440877466;asciilifeform;trinque: it isn't about 'perfect' but about eschewing pederasty.
1255866;1440877506;trinque;right, you're a scientist. meanwhile I'd love to have the market on traffic cones cornered.
1255867;1440877514;asciilifeform;go, corner.
1255868;1440877556;asciilifeform;usually you find that there is a reason why nobody gets to be 'next microshit' every year.
1255869;1440877573;asciilifeform;same reason you won't get to be 'the next exxon'
1255870;1440877578;asciilifeform;or 'next halliburton'
1255871;1440877579;trinque;ah but who wants to be that big and bloated
1255872;1440877588;trinque;can make a fine pile for yourself in some niche nobody ever heard of
1255873;1440877595;asciilifeform;go, make
1255874;1440877693;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...!
1255875;1440877693;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1255876;1440877866;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255852 << i will let mircea_popescu explain himself, by himself, but iirc this thread began long ago with the mention of an infamous paper, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf (mirror)
1255877;1440877866;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 19:40:56; phf: but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies
1255878;1440877893;asciilifeform;'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group' (Stammbach 1988)
1255879;1440877907;asciilifeform;^ not even re: chimps! funny how forgot this
1255880;1440877952;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, qq: are you going to post the modified vdiff.sh (creation of vpatch w/o timestamps) to the ml, or will it be included with your next submission of the full working solution?
1255881;1440877962;asciilifeform;mod6: it was posted!
1255882;1440877969;mod6;Oh it was?!
1255883;1440877972;*;mod6 looks
1255884;1440878004;asciilifeform;phf: the animals were placed in a room where there was a set of levers, which, if pulled correctly, would dispense food. result was that, at any given time, a handful learned to pull the lever, but would not get to eat the treats. instead, would be beaten for non-performance by the others if they stopped.
1255885;1440878034;asciilifeform;phf: the paper became a 'viral meme' and nicknamed 'codemonkey paper'
1255886;1440878066;asciilifeform;on account of the resemblance to human programmers, engineers, and other 'slave artisans' who build civilization but are rarely seen in mercedes
1255887;1440878105;mod6;so i see, obv., the one that was submitted with The Full Orchestra, but i don't see your updated one that looks like:
1255888;1440878108;mod6;#!/bin/bash
1255889;1440878111;mod6;diff -uNr \$1 \$2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" \$2 "\" 2>/dev/null  " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print \$1 " " \$2 " " o} !m { print \$0 }'
1255890;1440878136;mod6;bah, well disregard the above -- as this came from my orc.sh script with escaped shell vars, but you get the point i think.
1255891;1440878165;phf;иваныч суконах у мартышек то все как у человеков
1255892;1440878239;asciilifeform;mod6 is right, i think
1255893;1440878245;asciilifeform;it was never formally posted with signature.
1255894;1440878259;asciilifeform;go figure.
1255895;1440878279;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255824 << no per-user work, just a single pubkey to which anyone could find the corresponding privkey
1255896;1440878279;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 19:35:24; asciilifeform: i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?!
1255897;1440878282;ben_vulpes;a la deedbot
1255898;1440878288;phf;by the way that script above needs a close i.e. ... if (s) { close(s); ...
1255899;1440878315;punkman;asciilifeform: trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch. << I've written lots of these, it's called .csv
1255900;1440878325;phf;i think gnu awk closes implicitly but a bsd one keeps the fd's open and eventually runs into open file limits
1255901;1440878334;asciilifeform;punkman: not same thing
1255902;1440878348;asciilifeform;punkman: not if 'customer who expects' shows up with a microshit document with formatting, etc.
1255903;1440878360;asciilifeform;and you know ~exactly~ what i mean
1255904;1440878365;punkman;asciilifeform: customer can learn to export csv or fuck off most of the time
1255905;1440878368;trinque;^
1255906;1440878377;asciilifeform;aha so why not also ask him to bring s-expression or fuck off
1255907;1440878383;asciilifeform;and before long, you're naggum
1255908;1440878387;mod6;I'm currently working on the SoBA to close out the month, would like to point at the vdiff.sh that creats w/o timestamps in the document.  Only reason that I bring it up.  Thanks for taking a look.   Wasn't sure if I missed it somehow.
1255909;1440878387;asciilifeform;and working on ulcer
1255910;1440878415;trinque;because the CSV one requires him no work but to change the save-as type, or w/e
1255911;1440878430;punkman;if excel did s-expr, sure why not
1255912;1440878451;trinque;also this is a matter of sales, not education
1255913;1440878457;ben_vulpes;sometimes one goes to a cafe to meet a customer instead of demanding they come to ones office.
1255914;1440878484;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt
1255915;1440878485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtQNIS )
1255916;1440878487;asciilifeform;^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1255917;1440878495;trinque;neat
1255918;1440878502;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt
1255919;1440878503;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtQNIS )
1255920;1440878503;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1255921;1440878516;punkman;on a similar note, customer asks for mongodb, but "I used sqlite because you are retarded"
1255922;1440878533;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255910 <<< this is not true.
1255923;1440878533;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 20:00:15; trinque: because the CSV one requires him no work but to change the save-as type, or w/e
1255924;1440878535;asciilifeform;and you know it.
1255925;1440878555;asciilifeform;'i want the boldface, italics, and cat pictures retained !!!1111'
1255926;1440878571;asciilifeform;see also the 'gimp and photoshop' thread from a few wks ago.
1255927;1440878580;ben_vulpes;this is rank nonsense.
1255928;1440878587;ben_vulpes;go talk to the cfo about the cat pictures.
1255929;1440878591;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243080
1255930;1440878591;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:13:22; asciilifeform: that does not work with gimp.
1255931;1440878602;asciilifeform;my point is that the craftsman DOES NOT GET TO REDEFINE THE JOB
1255932;1440878606;trinque;I gotta run for a bit unfortunately.
1255933;1440878611;trinque;but the consultant does.
1255934;1440878614;asciilifeform;not unless the customer agrees.
1255935;1440878633;asciilifeform;this ends in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 .
1255936;1440878633;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.'  cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family'  mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
1255937;1440878638;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 et al: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt << ok thanks, I can just point at the deedbot submission then.
1255938;1440878639;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtQNIS )
1255939;1440878658;asciilifeform;mod6: it will be part of the formal release of 'v'. but for now, can use this.
1255940;1440878661;ben_vulpes;in a healthy relationship, the consultant keeps the customer from making bad decisions in areas in which the customer has no business making decisions.
1255941;1440878663;asciilifeform;vdiff will not change.
1255942;1440878668;mod6;asciilifeform: sounds good.  thanks for doing that.
1255943;1440878683;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.'
1255944;1440878685;mod6;trinque: just have to wait until next block before it shows up in the deedbot.org list?
1255945;1440878689;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: vdiff is 0k!
1255946;1440878705;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: can't, you'd poison 'em.
1255947;1440878710;asciilifeform;prolly
1255948;1440878718;trinque;mod6: shall pop out at the next hour
1255949;1440878721;asciilifeform;and they won't even be able to eat my corpse, wrong-chirality proteins
1255950;1440878728;mod6;trinque: fantastic. thanks.
1255951;1440878729;trinque;it's rather dumb, doesn't watch for blocks in the log, though that'd be nice
1255952;1440878788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9192 @ 0.0007193 = 6.6118 BTC [+]
1255953;1440878790;mod6;this thing has a cool 0x00FF00 && 0x000000 website
1255954;1440878835;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255945 << lol, how big did ben_vulpes think it to be ?
1255955;1440878835;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 20:04:49; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: vdiff is 0k!
1255956;1440878841;mod6;'solid green' ?!
1255957;1440878842;punkman;trinque: would deedbot notice a bundle tx that got reorg'd out of main chain?
1255958;1440878848;ben_vulpes;0K, i mean.
1255959;1440878863;ben_vulpes;eg 'fully annealed'
1255960;1440878864;asciilifeform;l0l
1255961;1440878877;*;mod6 ribs trinque a bit :D
1255962;1440878878;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: actually don't be so sure. it is almost certainly possible to shorten it.
1255963;1440878890;ben_vulpes;call it 3K then.
1255964;1440878896;asciilifeform;approximately.
1255965;1440878910;phf;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.'  << i am equally confused by this position. non serviam doesn't necessarily need to translate to its extreme expression. if you're that figured out how to push the lever, i think the last option that you can possibly have is to keep pushing the lever for others. once you accept it to its logical conclusion, are you not free to do as you please?
1255966;1440878918;trinque;mod6: I LIKE GREEN OK?
1255967;1440878920;trinque;lol
1255968;1440878922;phf;*that monkey
1255969;1440878928;*;trinque departs for a bit
1255970;1440878949;asciilifeform;phf: mircea_popescu seems to suggest that if korolev, etc. were real men, they would have killed themselves instead of serving the hated master.
1255971;1440878958;mod6;lol, the css 'solid green', appears slightly different tone than 0x00FF00 on thebitcoin.foundation, or is it just my eldery eyes?
1255972;1440879018;phf;sure, korolev was tested by that limit, and i'm not in his position, so i can't say "сука буду i've offed myself", but when the choice is between doing csv and sexp for a customer..
1255973;1440879035;asciilifeform;it is almost always more like csv vs sexp.
1255974;1440879039;mod6;anyway, not that it need be the same.  just curious.
1255975;1440879045;asciilifeform;at least, at individual steps of the way.
1255976;1440879077;asciilifeform;and it also turns out that for some reason the folks who are very excellent at non serviam - don't program. (napoleon's work in geometry notwithstanding...)
1255977;1440879164;asciilifeform;for instance, iirc mircea_popescu was also pretty handy at mathematics as a young man. but notice that we do not come here to learn mathematics from him.
1255978;1440879184;asciilifeform;but instead other things.
1255979;1440879232;ben_vulpes;i do not get the 'non serviam' routine. we all serve the khan.
1255980;1440879263;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the correct setting for the gedankenexperiment is 'serve usg or take the cyanide'
1255981;1440879283;asciilifeform;or, more appropriately to the case at hand, 'program pc or don't program'
1255982;1440879288;ben_vulpes;phf: holy hell it runs
1255983;1440879296;phf;:>
1255984;1440879306;asciilifeform;what runs..?
1255985;1440879310;*;phf bows
1255986;1440879317;*;ben_vulpes claps
1255987;1440879431;asciilifeform;i suspect that folks who are child prodigies at programming people (esp. programming the female of the species) do not usually end up having the patience to seriously deal with machines
1255988;1440879457;asciilifeform;considering how the latter is almost inescapably a less-rewarding affair than the former
1255989;1440879486;asciilifeform;one does not become an artisan 'from a good life', as some kind of voluntary choice, imho
1255990;1440879726;asciilifeform;erwin schrodinger, famously, did his physics almost as just a thing to fill the time between random fucks. but he was not enough 'non serviam' nietzschean superman to avoid sucking hitler's cock (unsuccessfully !!) and having to run for his life
1255991;1440879758;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-05-2015#1145721 << thread
1255992;1440879758;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 17:45:33; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english.
1255993;1440879764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00071112 = 8.0712 BTC [-]
1255994;1440879897;phf;bakunin has equally shameful confessions written to nicholas i
1255995;1440879921;asciilifeform;phf: iirc this began as a thread about r. ulbricht's shameful plea for mercy to the judge
1255996;1440879950;phf;ah
1255997;1440880032;phf;well, in the case ulbricht his plea was dumb, the point which you guys consistently drive in other cases
1255998;1440880094;asciilifeform;there is a long history of tales re: folks having conversations with (personified) Death, and asking her 'not now, why me, ...' etc
1255999;1440880107;asciilifeform;i see the ulbricht plea, and schrodinger's, etc. as similar
1256000;1440880116;asciilifeform;rather than any kind of rational undertaking
1256001;1440880155;phf;right, also same point at which aaronsw chose to off himself
1256002;1440880161;asciilifeform;it is why the fact that (in american courts) the plea never really ~works~ does not affect its popularity
1256003;1440880206;asciilifeform;it is just something people ~do~, like the boyars impaled by ivan iv famously screaming 'god save the tsar' as their arses stretched
1256004;1440880256;phf;no atheists in foxholes and all that
1256005;1440880418;asciilifeform;since we're on the subject, i do not regard it as a proven fact that schwartz tied the rope by himself
1256006;1440880892;gernika;!rate phf 2 got Eulora working on McOs
1256007;1440880892;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1aa82966741c75a7
1256008;1440880982;mircea_popescu;!rated gernika
1256009;1440880982;assbot;You rated user gernika on 04-Jul-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood..
1256010;1440881005;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you measure exactly how much it is impacted ?
1256011;1440881251;mod6;;;later tell davout You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
1256012;1440881252;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256013;1440881319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i read it b4. iirc we had it in chan even
1256014;1440881463;mod6;;;later tell punkman You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
1256015;1440881463;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256016;1440881485;mod6;;;later tell jurov You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
1256017;1440881486;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256018;1440881504;mod6;<---  bad memory
1256019;1440881530;jurov;no i was too busy and then on afk vacation
1256020;1440881546;mod6;ah. ok. np.  thanks!
1256021;1440881549;mod6;how's it goin anywya?
1256022;1440881621;punkman;mod6: I tested stator on Mint. didn't leave it running for full sync though
1256023;1440881636;mod6;punkman: hey! glad i asked. thanks :]
1256024;1440881654;mod6;i guess i do remember this now.
1256025;1440881743;mod6;chettty & mircea_popescu: btw, eulora seems to be functioning well since changes. although, i don't use any automation in there. just good ole hard rock minin' by hand.  with a mule^H^H^H^Himproved pickaxe.
1256026;1440881766;mod6;punkman: any specfic version of mint?
1256027;1440882207;trinque;punkman: I have not handled that case. As I understand it, transactions would then go back into the mempool for inclusion in a subsequent block.
1256028;1440882242;trinque;I could run over all previous records at some long-ish interval and see whether that occurred, update db accordingly.
1256029;1440882294;mod6;;;later tell danielpbarron  You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
1256030;1440882294;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256031;1440882313;punkman;mod6: mint 13-14 or so
1256032;1440882334;mod6;jaja
1256033;1440882364;danielpbarron;i made a binary but i didn't execute it
1256034;1440882366;mod6;i'll put that in there.  "Linux Mint, 13-14ish." :P
1256035;1440882394;mod6;danielpbarron: still have it? try to fire it up see if it it rotates.
1256036;1440882442;trinque;mine rotates nicely
1256037;1440882447;trinque;with the LC_ALL=C
1256038;1440882489;mod6;yup, that's required on every system that i've encountered when built with the `rotor'.
1256039;1440882510;danielpbarron;what does it mean to rotate?
1256040;1440882522;mod6;just see if you can get it to start up and sync some blox
1256041;1440882539;danielpbarron;Bitcoin version 0.5.4-beta << I'm currently running this, made with the rotor instructions
1256042;1440882561;mod6;this should do the trick: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 &`
1256043;1440882563;danielpbarron;and it is up to height=281399
1256044;1440882595;mod6;ah, ok.  was it a handrolled build or stator?
1256045;1440882601;danielpbarron;stator
1256046;1440882612;punkman;anyone try the final debug_sanity_part1 patch?
1256047;1440882616;mod6;but built with rotor, cool.  what OS?
1256048;1440882628;danielpbarron;gentoo made with trinque's script
1256049;1440882633;mod6;punkman: naw, i haevn't had a chance yet.  i'll get to it though, it's on my list.
1256050;1440882651;mod6;danielpbarron: ah neat. kthx
1256051;1440882655;punkman;I might work on part2 this week
1256052;1440882667;mod6;punkman: ah, cool.
1256053;1440882713;punkman;also thinking of making a fork that doesn't mine/wallet
1256054;1440882943;trinque;mod6: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-08-29-20-01-42.txt
1256055;1440882944;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fNQsUw )
1256056;1440882973;*;mod6 looks
1256057;1440882989;mod6;ah, gravy, thanks.
1256058;1440882991;trinque;np
1256059;1440883343;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256010 << if you specify what exactly ought to be measured, i might be able to do it
1256060;1440883343;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 20:43:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you measure exactly how much it is impacted ?
1256061;1440883358;asciilifeform;recall that we don't exactly have a deterministic system here.
1256062;1440883378;asciilifeform;or even a quantifiably-stochastic one
1256063;1440883466;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256042 << please see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255123 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255874
1256064;1440883466;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 21:09:21; mod6: this should do the trick: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 &`
1256065;1440883466;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 02:22:08; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me.
1256066;1440883466;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 19:48:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...!
1256067;1440883667;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap is a quad-core machine. current 'werker' (phuctor) uses strictly a single core, at the maximum. but what is happening appears to be bus cycle starvation (shared cores share a cache; and at any rate all processes share a single ram bus)
1256068;1440883668;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256069;1440883745;punkman;why shit where phuctor eats?
1256070;1440883761;asciilifeform;punkman: because hosting is very expensive.
1256071;1440883778;asciilifeform;and neither phuctor nor therealbitcoin bring in any revenue
1256072;1440883798;asciilifeform;phuctor and the node are run as a public service.
1256073;1440883823;asciilifeform;for no especially good reason other than that i felt like it, and mircea_popescu saw it fit to supply a machine (via subcontractor) out of his own (for now) pocket
1256074;1440883855;asciilifeform;this is YET AGAIN the 'can't charge for sunlight' thing !!
1256075;1440883869;asciilifeform;there is no way in heaven or hell that either of those things could ever pay for itself.
1256076;1440883895;asciilifeform;kinda like a lighthouse.
1256077;1440883908;asciilifeform;can't exactly charge the ships, for the light.
1256078;1440883924;trinque;seems science requires a patron, or at least greatly benefits from one.
1256079;1440883983;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu had not donated the cpu cycles, the thing would still be sitting on aws and being essentially useless
1256080;1440884038;asciilifeform;i, on the other hand, donated my spare time, of which i don't actually have very much.
1256081;1440884063;asciilifeform;(contrary to what some may think.)
1256082;1440884086;asciilifeform;(not all spare time is created equal. i'm both free from paying work AND awake enough to program, for perhaps a few hours a month!)
1256083;1440884112;*;asciilifeform fantasizes about 'sleep ad libitum' for a reason. he has a ~26 hour circadian rhythm.
1256084;1440884221;asciilifeform;punkman: since you asked, it also doesn't hurt to point out that both phuctor and the node MUST HAVE reasonably-cpu-and-ram-rich PHYSICAL machine.
1256085;1440884227;asciilifeform;no virtualized crapolade.
1256086;1440884253;asciilifeform;experimentally demonstrated that neither runs ADEQUATELY (much less with any degree of trust!) without this condition being met.
1256087;1440884280;asciilifeform;in fact, phuctor is presently NOT getting enough oxygen to live, as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255136
1256088;1440884280;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 02:47:55; mircea_popescu: i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing
1256089;1440884324;asciilifeform;it really needs a box with internal battery backup and ~30 minute hardware warning on powerfail.
1256090;1440884348;asciilifeform;that or a civilized data center with battery AND diesel
1256091;1440884381;trinque;^ that point about the kids these days and rebooting, bleh. no kidding.
1256092;1440884382;asciilifeform;all of this could be had, but FOR A PRICE
1256093;1440884390;asciilifeform;and the budget is approx. $0.
1256094;1440884393;trinque;oh ruby just leaks memory, of course it does
1256095;1440884429;asciilifeform;see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255140 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255141
1256096;1440884429;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 02:48:54; mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting
1256097;1440884429;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 02:49:45; asciilifeform: not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably
1256098;1440884471;trinque;yeah, you want a ton of fast RAM, I'd assume, and not want to be writing to disk constantly
1256099;1440884476;asciilifeform;understand, the running-product is an integer, presently ~1GByte in size.
1256100;1440884478;mircea_popescu;cool mod6
1256101;1440884487;asciilifeform;it changes ENTIRELY every single time a modulus is processed !
1256102;1440884487;mircea_popescu;meanwhile grass is desperately needed.
1256103;1440884518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "how much cpu does it have available while floating 50 blocks behind"
1256104;1440884541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: strictly cpu cycles? the answer depends on whether anyone is querying the db
1256105;1440884547;asciilifeform;hence, from 75% to 0
1256106;1440884634;mircea_popescu;i dunno what the proper item to measure is.
1256107;1440884643;mircea_popescu;perhaps it actually is l1 cache  access
1256108;1440884666;mircea_popescu;but in no small part (to answer punkman's q) this experiment is interesting to me specifically to see how well things do in cramped spaces.
1256109;1440884700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also im pretty sure power didn't actually fail. derpy kids doing things to fix things etc.
1256110;1440884812;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/Z6OcuYW4b2iz2k4ombFqz30P_1280.jpg
1256111;1440884814;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hnWegu )
1256112;1440885281;trinque;!up Pierre_Rochard
1256113;1440885284;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1256114;1440885308;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256109 << what exactly is meant by this ??
1256115;1440885308;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 21:45:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also im pretty sure power didn't actually fail. derpy kids doing things to fix things etc.
1256116;1440885329;asciilifeform;all i know is that the fucking box lost mains power.
1256117;1440885350;asciilifeform;whether because devils pulled cable out of my box individually, or whole rack, or entire warehouse - i cannot know
1256118;1440885408;mircea_popescu;mmm i thought it was rebooted.
1256119;1440885419;asciilifeform;there is no way to do this cleanly without root pw.
1256120;1440885424;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1256121;1440885463;mircea_popescu;kvm
1256122;1440885465;asciilifeform;Tue Aug 25 23:17 - crash (2+16:29)
1256123;1440885474;asciilifeform;reboot   system boot  2.6.32-431.el6.x Fri Aug 28 15:47 - 18:00 (1+02:12)
1256124;1440885535;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256108 << empirically, it does very poorly. though, interestingly, i am reading the log now and may have discovered another force at work
1256125;1440885535;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 21:44:26; mircea_popescu: but in no small part (to answer punkman's q) this experiment is interesting to me specifically to see how well things do in cramped spaces.
1256126;1440885581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: node often fails to process incoming messages in a timely manner, at heavy load, and possibly ends up shitlisted
1256127;1440885598;asciilifeform;this is an entirely separate kind of resource starvation from 'takes too long to verify blocks'
1256128;1440885646;asciilifeform;essentially the node ddos issue was never really solved
1256129;1440885653;asciilifeform;only swept under carpet
1256130;1440885685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not kvm either!!!
1256131;1440885693;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still need the root login to CLEANLY reboot the machine
1256132;1440885699;asciilifeform;and you will notice that no such thing happened
1256133;1440885712;asciilifeform;'crash' means that there was no proper shutdown.
1256134;1440885743;asciilifeform;this means one of two things: a) thermal breaker b) mains current lost
1256135;1440885838;mod6;ive got grass
1256136;1440885847;mod6;lemme check the horde
1256137;1440885885;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nothing suggestive of thermal overload in the logs, either
1256138;1440885894;asciilifeform;(thing does appear to have sensors)
1256139;1440885947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps you understand now why the alarm. there is NO LEGIT REASON for that thing to ever cycle.
1256140;1440885953;jurov;or case resonates with passing trains
1256141;1440885958;jurov;(happened irl)
1256142;1440885968;asciilifeform;many things happened irl.
1256143;1440886039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that if it were somehow the case that trilema goes down for weeks-to-a-month every time it loses power, it would also lose power with some regularity...
1256144;1440886093;asciilifeform;monkeys will try to pull out the cable, and the only solution is a man with an axe standing there and chopping their hands off, every time.
1256145;1440886131;asciilifeform;i am reminded of the old thread re: mpex disk drives.
1256146;1440886356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even if you were speaking of the kind of kvm which has a power relay, it remains to be asked WHAT KIND OF TARD would flip the relay on a customer's box without written permission
1256147;1440886395;asciilifeform;it is only by a stroke of luck that therealbitcoin did not perma-wedge from corrupt db, also.
1256148;1440886423;asciilifeform;^ and this may even have been the objective of the switch-flipping monkey
1256149;1440886486;asciilifeform;if this were a project with an actual budget, and the machine were colocated, i would include a lithium-cell-powered MAINS LOGGER in there. and then WELD IT SHUT with own hands
1256150;1440886535;asciilifeform;as it is, it eats table scraps, yes.
1256151;1440886550;jurov;!s bisp
1256152;1440886550;assbot;11 results for 'bisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bisp
1256153;1440886577;asciilifeform;jurov: this ~was~ the inaugural 'bisp' machine, recall.
1256154;1440886591;jurov;yea, was going to write that exactly
1256155;1440886629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is paying somebody a pretty penny for that thing. and i am coming to think that he is getting scammed.
1256156;1440886646;asciilifeform;i'm not really getting scammed because i personally did not pay.
1256157;1440886655;asciilifeform;gift horse.
1256158;1440886679;asciilifeform;but the legs are coming off this horse.
1256159;1440886707;asciilifeform;and every time i 'park' it, when i come back its starfish is full of boulders
1256160;1440886844;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255663 << see Bill Gosper
1256161;1440886844;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 18:28:39; mircea_popescu: greatness doens't get to skip a generation./
1256162;1440886857;gabriel_laddel;Norm Hardy
1256163;1440887267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00071136 = 5.5842 BTC [+]
1256164;1440888282;mircea_popescu;i<asciilifeform> only swept under carpet << of  course.
1256165;1440888308;mircea_popescu;the nsa approach to software issues is not "how can we fix this" but "how can we pretend this is fixed while really we can just keep it in sleeve for later because you never know". fnargl through and through.
1256166;1440888357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes well i have nobody with an axe to ship there rightnao
1256167;1440888412;mircea_popescu;and i don't think i've not gotten scammed for any item i bought or service i hired since at least 1875.
1256168;1440888426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3548 @ 0.00071136 = 2.5239 BTC [+]
1256169;1440888464;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel o hey there. how's life in
1256170;1440888470;mircea_popescu;masamuneland
1256171;1440889158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7340 @ 0.00071112 = 5.2196 BTC [-]
1256172;1440889581;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The economics of sinking Garzikcoin aka BIP 100. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/29/the-economics-of-sinking-garzikcoin-aka-bip-100/
1256173;1440890108;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I work a lot but have a new crush. 5/10?
1256174;1440890121;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: how is Ar?
1256175;1440890500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12940 @ 0.00070893 = 9.1736 BTC [-] {4} 
1256176;1440890744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00071946 = 8.2378 BTC [+] {5} 
1256177;1440890841;gabriel_laddel;!up shovel_boss
1256178;1440890845;gabriel_laddel;!up moonpunter
1256179;1440890871;shovel_boss;thanks for nothing
1256180;1440890878;shovel_boss;this register and login system with your bot sucks
1256181;1440890880;shovel_boss;fuck off
1256182;1440890887;gabriel_laddel;!down shovel_boss
1256183;1440890916;mircea_popescu;pretty stupid.
1256184;1440890926;mircea_popescu;lol
1256185;1440890963;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2l55tijZV77jJrO_1280.jpg
1256186;1440890965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpMn4v )
1256187;1440890992;gabriel_laddel;ewww troglodyte photobomb
1256188;1440891011;mircea_popescu;waitwut
1256189;1440891050;gabriel_laddel;troglodyte male in the background ruins photo :/
1256190;1440891072;mircea_popescu;o.O
1256191;1440891081;mircea_popescu;it's just some dude...
1256192;1440891089;gabriel_laddel;but his face!
1256193;1440891121;mircea_popescu;not like you HAVE TO fuck EVERYONE in the pic
1256194;1440891125;moonpunter;ya'll cray
1256195;1440891138;gabriel_laddel;;; ud cray
1256196;1440891139;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cray | cray. Another word for crazy. An abbreviation that you can use to describe a crazy person. That one cray bitch. She be cray. Why are you acting so cray?
1256197;1440891164;moonpunter;gribble's always doing stuff.
1256198;1440891196;gabriel_laddel;GODDAMNIT MP HOW IS ARGENTINA
1256199;1440891202;gabriel_laddel;moonpunter: also what
1256200;1440891230;*;moonpunter picks nose, hides under table
1256201;1440891232;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> pretty stupid. <<
1256202;1440891252;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: more specifically, I'd love to hear more about the justice system some time
1256203;1440891283;mircea_popescu;pretty much a copy of the 1996 ru justice system.
1256204;1440891307;mircea_popescu;overdrawn but unenforceable "rights" of the common man, endless trials, complete disjunction between law and commerce, the works.
1256205;1440891350;gabriel_laddel;Do you have a database of all the judges, the lawyers who frequent their courts etc?
1256206;1440891356;gabriel_laddel;or is such a thing for sale
1256207;1440891362;mircea_popescu;and a deeply ignorant population which imagines its vague notions of ethics and fairness are worth two shits, mostly through being so useless and inept that they never get to check said in any sort of practice.
1256208;1440891382;mircea_popescu;such a thing is not for sale past what you get publicly anyway, the bar has a list.
1256209;1440891399;moonpunter;never understood the "commoner" paradigm. what is this a magic deck? if so, i'm a ltd. ed. rare holofoil, bitches.
1256210;1440891410;gabriel_laddel;!down moonpunter
1256211;1440891424;gabriel_laddel;read the logs?
1256212;1440891430;mircea_popescu;moonpunter pretty much anyone not in a liberal
1256213;1440891437;mircea_popescu;profession or otherwise indepedently rich = commoner
1256214;1440891470;mircea_popescu;in a generous reading, students and other tramps are somehow in a liberal profession.
1256215;1440891495;moonpunter;eh. i think your life is defined by your achievements. nothing against those with a lot, nothing against those with nothing. nothing against helping others by choice. etc. i just don't feel strongly about any of it. spend too much time selfishly focusing on my own life, i thinks.
1256216;1440891513;mircea_popescu;achievements start with the first one.
1256217;1440891517;mircea_popescu;which is, economic independence.
1256218;1440891526;mircea_popescu;there are no prior achievements to that
1256219;1440891560;mircea_popescu;and in other news, boxes! http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2hul9b89WgiGz3Z_1280.jpg
1256220;1440891561;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ho4u04 )
1256221;1440891779;trinque;rather artistic, that one. I like it
1256222;1440891784;trinque;gabriel_laddel: in porn, do not fear the penis
1256223;1440891806;trinque;moonpunter: whatsamatta with selfishness?
1256224;1440891816;gabriel_laddel;trinque: lol, no fear - it just turns me off.
1256225;1440891819;gabriel_laddel;I've a thing for faces.
1256226;1440891828;gabriel_laddel;trinque: how goes btw
1256227;1440891887;trinque;not bad at all; prepping a move back to Texas, enjoying life
1256228;1440891889;trinque;yourself?
1256229;1440891923;gabriel_laddel;trinque: it's in the logs, but work mostly.
1256230;1440892047;pete_dushenski;i have returned !
1256231;1440892050;gabriel_laddel;hola
1256232;1440892052;trinque;good afternoon
1256233;1440892064;pete_dushenski;thanks to all for the well wishes :)
1256234;1440892083;pete_dushenski;i've been mostly keeping up on the logs
1256235;1440892140;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256216 << indubitably. wouldn't mind reading a trilema on this basis.
1256236;1440892140;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 23:38:33; mircea_popescu: achievements start with the first one.
1256237;1440892194;mircea_popescu;it's really unfortunate they don't do presentation anymore.
1256238;1440892195;pete_dushenski;i'm not sure i've been economically independent quite long enough to pen this myself
1256239;1440892211;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu presentation ?
1256240;1440892218;mircea_popescu;i guess there's the texas dip for girls "of society" which means ~jack anymore, and i suppose they still do bar mitzvah in some households but srsly...
1256241;1440892250;pete_dushenski;oh you mean like 'baby naming ceremony'
1256242;1440892260;trinque;sounds more like coming of age.
1256243;1440892271;pete_dushenski;aha
1256244;1440892293;trinque;"we're going to begin expecting adult things of you now. act like it."
1256245;1440892293;pete_dushenski;'sweet 16'
1256246;1440892300;mircea_popescu;no i mean like, "here is this worm that came out of my wife. turns out it actually is a person!"
1256247;1440892308;mircea_popescu;as in, presentation of the thing to the forum.
1256248;1440892327;pete_dushenski;'brit milah'
1256249;1440892333;gabriel_laddel;America is two generations too late for that
1256250;1440892334;mircea_popescu;kinda degenerated into the french bacalaureat, which meanwhile became a "right" dontchaknow
1256251;1440892356;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/iPoqOK3xQ2fea7vjSEbbAOTc_500.jpg
1256252;1440892358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ho5wsX )
1256253;1440892379;trinque;lewd
1256254;1440892457;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu well, a blog post ~on your own blog~ is pretty much as good as it gets atm
1256255;1440892502;pete_dushenski;we have a short little 'brit milah' tmrw at the synagogue for meatwot (but no briss planned)
1256256;1440892527;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1256257;1440892528;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.2, Best ask: 230.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 230.39, 24 hour volume: 10095.17439433, 24 hour low: 227.16, 24 hour high: 234.03, 24 hour vwap: None
1256258;1440892537;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256251 <<< to this, i raise https://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/geoduck.jpg
1256259;1440892537;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 23:52:36; mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/iPoqOK3xQ2fea7vjSEbbAOTc_500.jpg
1256260;1440892538;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ho5KAk )
1256261;1440892569;gabriel_laddel;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/geoduck.jpg << Al wins. Again.
1256262;1440892570;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ho5Ojy )
1256263;1440892579;asciilifeform;famous!
1256264;1440892608;asciilifeform;http://www.starvinmarvinswholesale.com/store/images/P/geoduct.JPG
1256265;1440892610;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ho5O31 )
1256266;1440892610;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo no real opinion of lifted minitrucks. lifting isn't really my thing, per se. but i can see the appeal.
1256267;1440892610;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256268;1440892632;trinque;and people use "natural" like it's a positive thing...
1256269;1440892656;gabriel_laddel;and here I was under the impression stas didn't like penis.
1256270;1440892661;trinque;lol
1256271;1440892684;pete_dushenski;people change
1256272;1440892691;pete_dushenski;!b 3
1256273;1440892691;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DPPY2J.txt )
1256274;1440892708;asciilifeform;don't have to like liver, to use it
1256275;1440892734;hanbot;you don't like liver?
1256276;1440892745;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256165 << i think 'later' might be 'now'
1256277;1440892745;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 22:45:08; mircea_popescu: the nsa approach to software issues is not "how can we fix this" but "how can we pretend this is fixed while really we can just keep it in sleeve for later because you never know". fnargl through and through.
1256278;1440892771;asciilifeform;hanbot: strangely, i liked it as a boy, but no longer..
1256279;1440892780;asciilifeform;odd how food works
1256280;1440892804;pete_dushenski;indeed.
1256281;1440892816;hanbot;mp actually eats the stuff. brrr.
1256282;1440892820;pete_dushenski;i ate smoked salmon exlusively for first 3 years, then not again for another 25
1256283;1440893040;*;trinque now considers that the dick-clam is probably delicious.
1256284;1440893049;trinque;just more clam mantle, right?
1256285;1440893126;trinque;http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/10/the-nasty-bits-geoduck-how-to-cook-recipe.html << sounds so
1256286;1440893127;assbot;The Nasty Bits: Geoduck | Serious Eats ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku88RT )
1256287;1440893489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00071262 = 35.4528 BTC [-] {4} 
1256288;1440894353;mircea_popescu;argentina is weird #89546 : the best cognac thing they have here (reserva san juan) retails (IN THE STORE!) for like 80 pesos a bottle.
1256289;1440894356;mircea_popescu;about 5 bux.
1256290;1440894364;mircea_popescu;which makes it "cheap" so no fucking bar ever carries it
1256291;1440894386;mircea_popescu;they carry all the fucktarded imported us shit i wouldn't pour in my drain. beefeather ? srsly ? to what, kill lice with ?
1256292;1440894416;mircea_popescu;they got badly faked mumm, they don't got the local stuff. and god fucking forbid i ask for the best rum in the world (centenario anejo especial) because they don't import it from nearby costa rica
1256293;1440894431;mircea_popescu;they gotta import fucking what's that shit called, captain wedgepants
1256294;1440894433;mircea_popescu;blergh.
1256295;1440894756;mircea_popescu;and now in our "the greatness of the atomic family" series, http://41.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2fu8lmtQYQqvbcw_1280.jpg
1256296;1440894758;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu8zFQ )
1256297;1440894830;gabriel_laddel;"god fucking forbid i ask for the best rum in the world (centenario anejo especial) because they don't import it from nearby costa rica" << lol
1256298;1440895056;pete_dushenski;spiced 'captain wedgepants' and diet coke is a popular drink in these parts. with men !
1256299;1440895066;pete_dushenski;don't ask me how
1256300;1440895072;pete_dushenski;might be related to 'truck nutz'
1256301;1440895074;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv2eg33gaji6PkUvx_400.jpg << back when the libertards cared. because bush!
1256302;1440895076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu9CFE )
1256303;1440895079;pete_dushenski;!s truck nutz
1256304;1440895080;assbot;0 results for 'truck nutz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=truck+nutz
1256305;1440895085;pete_dushenski;!s truck nuts
1256306;1440895085;assbot;0 results for 'truck nuts' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=truck+nuts
1256307;1440895123;mircea_popescu;anyway, to be fair actual cuban havana club is very good. but so often counterfeit...
1256308;1440895124;pete_dushenski;https://chivethethrottle.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/nuts-500-truck-nutz-hooterswtmk.jpg
1256309;1440895125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu9HcC )
1256310;1440895220;pete_dushenski;sikorsky sea king helicopter for gw ? sounds ruskie (yes, i know it isn't)
1256311;1440895268;pete_dushenski;well, sikorsky aircraft is only as 'american' as chevrolet
1256312;1440895276;pete_dushenski;who, yes, was swiss-born
1256313;1440895297;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only nato maker of heavy helicopters that actuallyfly
1256314;1440895323;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/29/planes-trains-automobiles-and-atomic-dirigibles-der-schweiz/ << re chevy
1256315;1440895325;assbot;Planes, trains, und atomic dirigibles der Schweiz. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0o7fq )
1256316;1440895353;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu well nothing could be worse than osprey
1256317;1440895370;pete_dushenski;which makes f-35 program look like challenger
1256318;1440895747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124450 @ 0.00069583 = 86.596 BTC [-] {9} 
1256319;1440896174;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256310 << inventor of modern helicopter. as american as fucking ayn rand.
1256320;1440896174;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 00:40:20; pete_dushenski: sikorsky sea king helicopter for gw ? sounds ruskie (yes, i know it isn't)
1256321;1440896233;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256316 << i saw a working 'osprey' for the first time a few weeks ago. my first thought was 'wish i weren't stuck in traffic under that thing'
1256322;1440896233;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 00:42:33; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well nothing could be worse than osprey
1256323;1440896605;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform define 'working'
1256324;1440896815;asciilifeform;flying low enough to be identified for what it is; did not fall down (at least not where i could see it...)
1256325;1440896852;asciilifeform;though iirc the bug in these things typically shows itself when the propellers flip
1256326;1440896879;asciilifeform;http://www.aviastar.org/foto/bvertol_osprey_1.jpg << it
1256327;1440896880;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0pdaU )
1256328;1440896893;asciilifeform;http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/bellboeing_v_22_osprey.jpg << turning
1256329;1440896894;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0pdb5 )
1256330;1440896913;asciilifeform;http://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/11/20/us/SUB-JP-OSPREY/SUB-JP-OSPREY-articleLarge.jpg << turned.
1256331;1440896914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0pdb9 )
1256332;1440896968;asciilifeform;http://gizmodo.com/the-president-gets-a-personal-osprey-hes-not-allowed-t-1108783801 << relevant, lulzy
1256333;1440896969;assbot;The President Gets a Personal Osprey He's Not Allowed to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0pg6M )
1256334;1440897004;asciilifeform;'The aircraft is manned by a crew of four�pilot, copilot and two flight engineers�and can carry as many as 32 troops or 20,000 pounds of cargo. Or, in the case of the President's jaunt to Martha's Vineyard last Saturday, a contingent of White House staffers, journalists, and Bo, the president's pooch. But not the president himself. No way, he's not allowed anywhere near this thing.'
1256335;1440897028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34466 @ 0.00070936 = 24.4488 BTC [+]
1256336;1440897069;asciilifeform;'But while they're definitely (relatively) safer than the early versions, the Osprey is still not safe enough to entrust with the leader of the free world's life. As such, the presidential Osprey has not yet been designated a "white top," meaning President Obama is not allowed on board, but is currently undergoing further reliability testing. There's no word on when that will be completed, so for now, it will serve as a $67 mi
1256337;1440897069;asciilifeform;llion pet carrier.'
1256338;1440897076;trinque;The situation wasn't helped any when the program's senior officer, Lt. Col. Odin Lieberman, was relieved of command after an internal investigation discovered that he had instructed his team to falsify records to make the Osprey look safer than they actually were. << heh, he expected that this wouldn't become apparent?
1256339;1440897088;asciilifeform;this at least begins to explain where that machine was going.
1256340;1440897100;asciilifeform;i did not expect to see it from a traffic jam below d.c.
1256341;1440897225;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/LyJX520Sx2ctqo1b0Xxx6cCT_500.jpg << native tsa.
1256342;1440897226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUlra9 )
1256343;1440897249;asciilifeform;lol is that gavin ?!
1256344;1440897267;mircea_popescu;his younger, better hung brothar.
1256345;1440897384;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/wpb4YsvWL2bhteoknr0erUnj_500.jpg
1256346;1440897386;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUlHFS )
1256347;1440897394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0007044 = 11.9044 BTC [-]
1256348;1440897402;asciilifeform;^^ ????
1256349;1440897412;asciilifeform;was this dropped over vietnam or where
1256350;1440897425;mircea_popescu;nah, short circulation west coast
1256351;1440897443;asciilifeform;lulzy
1256352;1440897595;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256166 << even if you did, the point i was trying to make is that we have right now this risky situation where running a proper honest node actually costs serious dough, and it is not clear that this cost can ever be recoverable
1256353;1440897595;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 22:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes well i have nobody with an axe to ship there rightnao
1256354;1440897611;mircea_popescu;dubious if recoverable.
1256355;1440897628;mircea_popescu;myeah
1256356;1440897640;asciilifeform;it is quite conceivable that a node can only be run for the abstract imperial glory of something else, something very lucrative
1256357;1440897657;asciilifeform;and it is not clear to me that there is enough of this to go around
1256358;1440897664;asciilifeform;(in the sense of supporting a healthy network)
1256359;1440897751;asciilifeform;and this is without any megablox idiocy !
1256360;1440897761;asciilifeform;old-fashioned proper bitcoin.
1256361;1440897801;asciilifeform;so what we have going is something like this, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255291
1256362;1440897801;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 13:58:47; mircea_popescu: here's what i propose : paul graham eat 500 calories for every 1k calories he expends.
1256363;1440897812;asciilifeform;call it an energy leak, in the sense of 'memory leak.'
1256364;1440897869;asciilifeform;in the sense that the folks paying for it are not getting anything like their money's worth. and yes, this is true for many activities, from fixing old cars to raising children;
1256365;1440897893;asciilifeform;but they work so long as they fit within 'hobbyist' budget, and the results pass some minimal bar
1256366;1440897917;asciilifeform;running an honest public node is expensive. far more than i realized. and will be getting more so.
1256367;1440897936;asciilifeform;as attacks of every conceivable kind ramp up.
1256368;1440897952;asciilifeform;mains cables will (are!) be mysteriously yanked; fiber - cut
1256369;1440897958;asciilifeform;contracts terminated on technicalities
1256370;1440897959;asciilifeform;etc.
1256371;1440897974;asciilifeform;plus many, many 'cosmic rays'.
1256372;1440898054;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778143 << see thread. turns out, a server is a fortress...
1256373;1440898054;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 14:09:33; mircea_popescu: all the other atms in the world are inside an invisible fortress.
1256374;1440898086;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#777630 << start of thread
1256375;1440898086;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 03:06:22; mircea_popescu: specifically : an atm requires a fortress. we have not yet built the fortress. when we do, you will know we have, because i will kidnap a number of "world leaders" wives and daughters to be publicly raped there as to make the fucking point that in fact it IS a fortress.
1256376;1440898142;trinque;heh, brave new books.
1256377;1440898144;trinque;that's austin
1256378;1440898163;trinque;alex jones central, it is
1256379;1440898187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14753 @ 0.00070245 = 10.3632 BTC [-] {3} 
1256380;1440898520;asciilifeform;and there are people working on making running a node 10,000+ times more expensive....
1256381;1440898565;asciilifeform;(and will try to make it look cheaper by selective vandalism of folks who do not go along. algo used by all states at all times.)
1256382;1440898658;asciilifeform;it is telling that, of my three therealbitcoin nodes, the only one which has not suffered an unexplained malfunction of any kind is the one which is where i can personally see it !!
1256383;1440898717;asciilifeform;(zoolag)
1256384;1440898761;asciilifeform;has never fallen behind, spontaneously, by so much as one block (the one notable exception was the day when the db locks thing wedged ~every~ honest node)
1256385;1440899834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.00069444 = 27.5345 BTC [-] {3} 
1256386;1440900931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform atm node seems more akin to soda fountain
1256387;1440900947;mircea_popescu;you run that in your teenage hoisiery shop because that's what the teenage hussies want.
1256388;1440901011;*;mircea_popescu also wants to introduce by reference the discussion of "for honor" and slavegirks
1256389;1440901118;mircea_popescu;but in any case : it's not clear we can't stick it in pogo. so... there is that.
1256390;1440901139;mircea_popescu;of course, the people trying to get that to work (davout, jurov, etc) aren't getting that much support yet.
1256391;1440901152;mircea_popescu;but i reckon the whole shebang "here, do this this this" list is getting closer.
1256392;1440901181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the principal item missing is a sane txpool
1256393;1440901189;mircea_popescu;yes.
1256394;1440901219;asciilifeform;everything else is purely a matter of rebuilding as per my original recipe, but rotorized.
1256395;1440901237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4234 @ 0.00070936 = 3.0034 BTC [+]
1256396;1440901238;asciilifeform;now that libc is shot in the head, it builds ~and~ runs.
1256397;1440901252;asciilifeform;but the 'infinite pile of tx until fills ram' is a no-go;
1256398;1440901261;asciilifeform;and the store-block-index-in-ram-at-all-times is also a no-go.
1256399;1440901312;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << as displayed here.
1256400;1440901313;assbot;[BTC-dev] Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmuPH )
1256401;1440901367;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/referenced_b2510447257f2b623fcf30cc4f0413a23f515b60.png << see this.
1256402;1440901368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmD5t )
1256403;1440901393;asciilifeform;~300 byte per block.
1256404;1440901472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is not clear to me, at this juncture, that a network consisting ~largely of~ items like pogos could function under sustained load
1256405;1440901495;mircea_popescu;define network, function and load.
1256406;1440901538;asciilifeform;network - bitcoin. function - propagate blocks, transactions, as traditionally expected. load - sustained attack from every usg orc on the fucking planet, plus legitimate users.
1256407;1440901577;mircea_popescu;network in terms of nodecount, function in terms of maximal packet loss you admit and load in terms of saturation.
1256408;1440901582;mircea_popescu;you know, like the internet.,
1256409;1440901601;asciilifeform;saturation presumably 100%
1256410;1440901602;mircea_popescu;not like this shiot's either novel or uncalculable.
1256411;1440901709;asciilifeform;there is also the part where a half-arsed node, when feeding a miner, leads to orphaning and going broke
1256412;1440901733;asciilifeform;(not today, when there is 25btc 'on the sidewalk' - but tomorrow, when there is not)
1256413;1440901762;mircea_popescu;im seriously not concerned. the thing designed, if implemented, will be fine.
1256414;1440901794;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/LyJX520Sx23v8c038OjmriTH_500.jpg
1256415;1440901796;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKnpiY )
1256416;1440901807;asciilifeform;ew
1256417;1440901828;asciilifeform;what's next, copro?
1256418;1440901833;mircea_popescu;no penis!
1256419;1440901866;asciilifeform;whole thing is a penis.
1256420;1440901873;asciilifeform;like geoduck.
1256421;1440901886;mircea_popescu;haha
1256422;1440901908;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256413 << therein lies the boojum. implemented by whom? when ?
1256423;1440901908;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 02:29:22; mircea_popescu: im seriously not concerned. the thing designed, if implemented, will be fine.
1256424;1440901914;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/jH8nCgt1J23ag8jgoPZeDjoT_500.jpg
1256425;1440901916;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKnC5D )
1256426;1440901930;mircea_popescu;dun worry so much bout that part.
1256427;1440901955;asciilifeform;'freedom bricks' << l0l!!
1256428;1440901956;asciilifeform;gold.
1256429;1440901987;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/3HWhJ1T6f22zl4wwG4IGMNLw_500.jpg
1256430;1440901988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKnIu9 )
1256431;1440901989;mircea_popescu;see below for kit.
1256432;1440902018;asciilifeform;gotta love the key lock
1256433;1440902045;mircea_popescu;aha
1256434;1440902152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00070936 = 11.1724 BTC [+]
1256435;1440902248;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256426 << why, are you gonna do it? because thus far every single bit that involved serious surgery on therealbitcoin just sorta sat there until i did it.
1256436;1440902248;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 02:32:10; mircea_popescu: dun worry so much bout that part.
1256437;1440902257;asciilifeform;i would ~like~ for this to change, yes
1256438;1440902533;asciilifeform;this thing ~will~ have to work without my pushing it, if only after i am shot - which, for all i know, could be scheduled for monday
1256439;1440904287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41832 @ 0.00070071 = 29.3121 BTC [-] {5} 
1256440;1440904348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25868 @ 0.00069249 = 17.9133 BTC [-] {2} 
1256441;1440906895;ben_vulpes;;;later tell gabriel_laddel so've you asked her out yet?
1256442;1440906896;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256443;1440907434;*;ben_vulpes is having a blast nesting with the girl. today, we finished scaffolding the builtin to house the dog and spawngear: http://imgur.com/Z9iBUv3
1256444;1440907435;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCZlMf )
1256445;1440907488;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: no comment & looks like fun.
1256446;1440907505;ben_vulpes;don't be chewing tacks over there.
1256447;1440907551;ben_vulpes;previously, lady v put up crushed foam panels on the ceiling, and i installed the seam and crown molding: http://imgur.com/yevDNKh
1256448;1440907551;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCZuPN )
1256449;1440907691;ben_vulpes;i'd be irate about all of this value evaporating as soon as i move out of this place, but it's saving me the cost of relocating to a larger apartment next year and the associated switching costs.
1256450;1440907703;ben_vulpes;plus, fun projects with the babe!
1256451;1440907825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33770 @ 0.00069198 = 23.3682 BTC [-]
1256452;1440907967;danielpbarron;!up mikaeldice
1256453;1440908028;danielpbarron;;;seen mikaeldice
1256454;1440908029;gribble;mikaeldice was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mikaeldice> I reinstalled Windows as a dual boot after a couple years of solely Debian so I could play a game..  It felt dirty.
1256455;1440908728;mikaeldice;hey
1256456;1440908782;mikaeldice;I'm on Fedora now..
1256457;1440908794;mikaeldice;see you in 39 weeks :P
1256458;1440909633;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256443 << which shelf does dog go in ?
1256459;1440909633;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 04:03:54; *: ben_vulpes is having a blast nesting with the girl. today, we finished scaffolding the builtin to house the dog and spawngear: http://imgur.com/Z9iBUv3
1256460;1440909660;asciilifeform;gonna guess, the oblong one in the right-hand bottom corner ?
1256461;1440909688;ben_vulpes;bottom-right, actually.
1256462;1440909691;ben_vulpes;left
1256463;1440909693;ben_vulpes;leftleftleft
1256464;1440909723;asciilifeform;could fit two long, narrow dogs on the top.
1256465;1440909736;ben_vulpes;or children
1256466;1440909748;asciilifeform;children go in the middle niches, it looks like
1256467;1440909759;asciilifeform;the elder, on the left, younger - right.
1256468;1440909881;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, dulap now behind by 'only' 32 blocks.
1256469;1440910242;ben_vulpes;this guy
1256470;1440910249;ben_vulpes;telling me how to put my own furniture designs to use
1256471;1440910330;asciilifeform;hey dunt look at me, if that were me i'd be filling it up with scrap metal.
1256472;1440910340;*;asciilifeform had something not entirely unlike this shelf in old flat
1256473;1440910387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31457 @ 0.0007004 = 22.0325 BTC [+] {3} 
1256474;1440910405;asciilifeform;either scrap, or piles of laserprint so tall and old that the toner unstuck and transferred to adjacent page randomly
1256475;1440910463;*;asciilifeform would like to learn, before dies, precisely why this happens and what determines how long it takes and where it comes off
1256476;1440910534;*;asciilifeform also traditionally counts printed circuit boards which are prolly considered by normal people to be fit only for gold reclamation, as 'scrap metal'
1256477;1440911729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1843 @ 0.00070702 = 1.303 BTC [+]
1256478;1440911790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31927 @ 0.00070433 = 22.4871 BTC [-] {2} 
1256479;1440911973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00070936 = 5.8168 BTC [+]
1256480;1440912009;ben_vulpes;yes yes.
1256481;1440912156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00069837 = 16.9355 BTC [-] {2} 
1256482;1440914483;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
1256483;1440914488;gribble;Time since last block: 59 seconds
1256484;1440915202;punkman;https://twitter.com/notch this guy...
1256485;1440915204;assbot;Markus Persson (@notch) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVdfeb )
1256486;1440915361;ben_vulpes;what now?
1256487;1440915367;punkman;@SnoopDogg: . @notch Cheer up homeboy! Im gonna have you by tha Doggy Den and we can smoke sum of that sticky n build sum new shit! Uhearme!!!
1256488;1440915698;pete_dushenski;"The old notch.net domain was hosted on an amazon instance I managed myself. It was set up many many years ago, and I was very lazy about doing security or maintenance updates to it. A couple of weeks ago, it went down. I tried to log in, but my security credentials were no longer valid, so I assume it got hacked. Weirdly, the network logs showed very little data coming in or out after it went down, so it doesn
1256489;1440915698;pete_dushenski;’t seem like it got used as part of a botnet or as a proxy server. This new version is hosted on wordpress.com where I don’t have to worry about anything other than the content. Nice. I like this." << from persson's personal homepage
1256490;1440915778;mircea_popescu;one more idiot, give or take
1256491;1440915806;pete_dushenski;sorta graham level, for whatever that's worth
1256492;1440915824;pete_dushenski;couple $bn in the bank, brain left to rot
1256493;1440915867;pete_dushenski;granting that even making a digital lego is some sort of productive use of one's brain
1256494;1440915877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19985 @ 0.00070702 = 14.1298 BTC [+] {3} 
1256495;1440916426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5251 @ 0.00070935 = 3.7248 BTC [+] {2} 
1256496;1440916609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17984 @ 0.0007103 = 12.774 BTC [+] {4} 
1256497;1440916993;punkman;http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bmw-all-models-electric-within-decade-20150629-00597
1256498;1440916994;assbot;BMW: All Models Electric Within Decade - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsUU77 )
1256499;1440917057;mircea_popescu;"no further need for cars"
1256500;1440917064;mircea_popescu;"have a coffee grinder instead"
1256501;1440917101;punkman;or a broomstick
1256502;1440917269;pete_dushenski;'self-driving coffee-flavoured broomstick'
1256503;1440918927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00070099 = 28.32 BTC [-] {3} 
1256504;1440920086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00071099 = 27.7642 BTC [+] {3} 
1256505;1440923014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32774 @ 0.00070666 = 23.1601 BTC [-] {4} 
1256506;1440924173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12112 @ 0.0007116 = 8.6189 BTC [+]
1256507;1440926857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18037 @ 0.00071584 = 12.9116 BTC [+]
1256508;1440927824;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/23/nick-littlehales-the-man-who-taught-cristiano-ronaldo-how-to-sleep << coaches for training, eating, sport, why not sleeping ?
1256509;1440927824;assbot;Nick Littlehales: the man who showed Cristiano Ronaldo how to sleep | Russell Jackson | Football | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEmZIB )
1256510;1440928054;pete_dushenski;"In his ideal scenario, Littlehales says athletes wouldn’t be banned from having sex before big games (“absolute crap”) but most definitely sleep solo, with partners leaving for a separate room once it’s time to get 40 winks." << whoa whoa whoa, why play pro sports if you're sleeping solo ?
1256511;1440928062;pete_dushenski;it's like, why join the band ?
1256512;1440928421;pete_dushenski;"The number of millionaires in the UK has shot up by 41% over the past five years, with one in 65 adults now classed as having a seven-figure fortune thanks to booming house prices and stock market gains." << y'all brits are rich, innit !
1256513;1440928496;pete_dushenski;please to now accept more syrian refugees, pay higher taxes, etc.
1256514;1440928508;pete_dushenski;"It is not just property ownership that is creating more UK millionaires. While the TV game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? was axed in the UK in 2014, the National Lottery says it has created more than 3,900 individual millionaires since 1994.
1256515;1440928529;pete_dushenski;^bwahaha. lest you think all the wealth is illusory !
1256516;1440928549;pete_dushenski;omg that's priceless
1256517;1440928731;pete_dushenski;"it's not just all the printing of hollow paper promises that the boe and the fed have been indulging in for the past near-decade, it's once-in-a-lifetime strikes of lighting ! like finding out you have a long-lost rich uncle."
1256518;1440928753;pete_dushenski;"we measured it !"
1256519;1440932408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00070304 = 24.2197 BTC [-] {3} 
1256520;1440933018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070098 = 2.9441 BTC [-]
1256521;1440935398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00069892 = 9.4354 BTC [-] {4} 
1256522;1440936129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00069435 = 12.9843 BTC [-]
1256523;1440936617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78139 @ 0.00068985 = 53.9042 BTC [-] {5} 
1256524;1440936983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00070799 = 16.1422 BTC [+] {3} 
1256525;1440938508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00071121 = 2.5248 BTC [+]
1256526;1440939301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15437 @ 0.00069141 = 10.6733 BTC [-] {2} 
1256527;1440946953;pete_dushenski;"Two interesting comments from Hulk Hogan -- he's NOT mad with the WWE for cutting ties with him over the N-word ... and says he wants to make America great again, by running with Donald Trump!!!!"
1256528;1440946990;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/06/hulk-hogan-puts-dentons-control-of-gawker-media-on-life-support/ << obligatory hulk reference
1256529;1440946991;assbot;Hulk Hogan Puts Denton's Control of Gawker Media on Life Support | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1fPfxOW )
1256530;1440949061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00070698 = 26.2643 BTC [+] {3} 
1256531;1440949366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00070869 = 18.107 BTC [+] {4} 
1256532;1440949481;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims wild animals to lean latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
1256533;1440949481;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256534;1440949494;asciilifeform;*learn
1256535;1440949526;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
1256536;1440949528;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256537;1440950220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00070133 = 15.5695 BTC [-] {3} 
1256538;1440950710;punkman;http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122441/corn-wars
1256539;1440950711;assbot;Corn Wars | The New Republic ... ( http://bit.ly/1fPmHm7 )
1256540;1440950730;punkman;asciilifeform: do nodes added with -connect get disconnected?
1256541;1440951135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16207 @ 0.00069262 = 11.2253 BTC [-]
1256542;1440951456;asciilifeform;punkman: yes
1256543;1440951501;asciilifeform;punkman: and, iirc, using 'connect' disables external listening and renders the thing useless as a public node
1256544;1440951623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.0006917 = 26.25 BTC [-] {3} 
1256545;1440951738;punkman;asciilifeform: it's the DoS protection right?
1256546;1440951757;asciilifeform;punkman: not only.
1256547;1440953453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00071176 = 19.7869 BTC [+] {3} 
1256548;1440953615;pete_dushenski;"An environmental scientist working for a Canadian government agency has been suspended and will be investigated for recording a protest song about the prime minister, Stephen Harper" << dole-guzzler shocked to discover that dole... can end.
1256549;1440953743;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei50lM6ab1c << said 'protest song'. full of blindingly smug and/or visibly slow-witted church-goers
1256550;1440953744;assbot;Harperman, a Protest Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EtPMj5 )
1256551;1440953808;pete_dushenski;in other news, "Singer Chrissie Hynde has been criticised for saying it can be a woman’s fault if she is raped. The Pretenders star, 63, said she blamed herself for being forced to perform sexual acts under the threat of violence."
1256552;1440954081;pete_dushenski;“Technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges ... those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do. You can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive.”
1256553;1440954107;pete_dushenski;“If you’re wearing something that says ‘Come and f*** me’, you’d better be good on your feet ... I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial am I?”
1256554;1440954145;pete_dushenski;"You know, if you don’t want to entice a rapist, don’t wear high heels so you can’t run from him."
1256555;1440954605;pete_dushenski;!rated trinque
1256556;1440954605;assbot;You have not rated trinque.
1256557;1440954612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8075 @ 0.00071207 = 5.75 BTC [+] {2} 
1256558;1440954859;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.trinque.2:2a05a9591580e8da5d9512c0d3935dbc0a2d20cf70f9db69be5e35d205e89ac1
1256559;1440954859;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for trinque with note: maker and maintainer of deedbot- in #b-a. helpful fellow.
1256560;1440955405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00071013 = 18.8895 BTC [-] {3} 
1256561;1440955620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea why the thing would disconnect for any reason other than what we discussed through the pool weighing
1256562;1440955630;mircea_popescu;it should be fixed so it never disconnects in general.
1256563;1440956898;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256510 << everyone sane including myself sleeps alone.
1256564;1440956898;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 09:47:34; pete_dushenski: "In his ideal scenario, Littlehales says athletes wouldn’t be banned from having sex before big games (“absolute crap”) but most definitely sleep solo, with partners leaving for a separate room once it’s time to get 40 winks." << whoa whoa whoa, why play pro sports if you're sleeping solo ?
1256565;1440956910;mircea_popescu;it is the #1 thing you can do for your own well being.
1256566;1440957479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.0006923 = 33.5073 BTC [-] {2} 
1256567;1440957521;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256514 << heh, lottery created'
1256568;1440957521;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 09:55:08; pete_dushenski: "It is not just property ownership that is creating more UK millionaires. While the TV game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? was axed in the UK in 2014, the National Lottery says it has created more than 3,900 individual millionaires since 1994.
1256569;1440957525;mircea_popescu;millionaires.
1256570;1440957565;mircea_popescu;how about "the incredible decay of the pound sterling, currently worth about 1/9000 of a pound sterling, has "Created" fictitious "millionaires" worth a thousand guineeas each. not PER Y
1256571;1440957577;mircea_popescu;EAR. worth nothing per year because the economy's dead."
1256572;1440957725;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256545 << "ddos protection" being used so liberally to mask specifically nsa-ian idiocy strengthens my suspicion that "ddos" does not merely exist, but is in fact a coopted technologee. which is why fucking automattic ACTUASLLY PUTS IT IN DELIBERATELY.
1256573;1440957725;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2015 16:22:18; punkman: asciilifeform: it's the DoS protection right?
1256574;1440957727;mircea_popescu;assholes.
1256575;1440957993;trinque;!up yamaka
1256576;1440957999;trinque;yamaka: your client is leaking your IP
1256577;1440959373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what in this case is 'coopted' ? even a tree stump can see that the buggers love to ddos
1256578;1440959401;mircea_popescu;the ddos sources don't simply exist, like rocks. they were put there, like roads.
1256579;1440959408;asciilifeform;no shit
1256580;1440959456;mircea_popescu;not only is this not directly obvious,
1256581;1440959465;mircea_popescu;you may find nobody else agrees outside of b-a.
1256582;1440959523;asciilifeform;for extra clarity: 'ddos sources' as in senders of the packets, or what is meant is 'ddos holes' ?
1256583;1440959528;asciilifeform;as in, orifices for the cock
1256584;1440959533;mircea_popescu;the senders.
1256585;1440959547;mircea_popescu;automattic PUT ONE IN deliberately and has systematically refused to take it out for ~10 years now.
1256586;1440959557;asciilifeform;waitasec what is automattic ?
1256587;1440959560;asciilifeform;;;google automattic
1256588;1440959561;gribble;Automattic: <https://automattic.com/>; Work With Us — Automattic: <https://automattic.com/work-with-us/>; About Us — Automattic: <https://automattic.com/about/>
1256589;1440959561;mircea_popescu;but i suspect the makers of fucking TV boxes were mandated to put the source in
1256590;1440959565;mircea_popescu;didn't just carelessly left it in
1256591;1440959568;mircea_popescu;HAD TO put it in
1256592;1440959578;mircea_popescu;which is why and how everyone is "Careless" in the same exact manner.
1256593;1440959588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the makers of wordpress.
1256594;1440959591;asciilifeform;positions: '.... Happiness Engineer'
1256595;1440959593;asciilifeform;l0l!
1256596;1440959597;asciilifeform;this has got to be a joke
1256597;1440959604;mircea_popescu;no. it is the redhat of blogs.
1256598;1440959611;asciilifeform;dear satan.
1256599;1440959617;mircea_popescu;aha.
1256600;1440959638;*;asciilifeform changes gas mask filter
1256601;1440959828;mircea_popescu;lemme sauce you.
1256602;1440959863;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/
1256603;1440959864;assbot;Mika Epstein aka Ipstenu is a thoroughly clueless poser on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDX6Iv )
1256604;1440959919;asciilifeform;that'd be strictly www ddosen, rather than bitcoin etc., no ?
1256605;1440959924;mircea_popescu;i'm sorta half-surprised they're not trying to sue me for using "an unauthorised wordpress fork" which doesn't have all the fucking holes.
1256606;1440959943;mircea_popescu;perhaps not yet on the grounds that why give the hand away, i guess.
1256607;1440959956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform still same principle, and as historical accident, where i happened to notice the strange.
1256608;1440959989;asciilifeform;'wordpress' is famously a steaming pile of shit though
1256609;1440960004;mircea_popescu;unlike what ?
1256610;1440960006;asciilifeform;i don't personally know ~anyone~ who uses the 'official' version
1256611;1440960009;mircea_popescu;what ISNT a famous pile of shit ?
1256612;1440960017;asciilifeform;there are obscure piles of shit
1256613;1440960018;mircea_popescu;NAT routers ? ntp servers ? dns servers ? what
1256614;1440960019;asciilifeform;like 'diff'
1256615;1440960040;mircea_popescu;yes, you wouldn't. i also don't know anyone who shops at hot topic. or at kfc.
1256616;1440960054;mircea_popescu;somehow a bunch of blogger blogers keep popping up tho.
1256617;1440960107;asciilifeform;i've seen this called 'bush effect', after the re-election of bush II in '04. a crowd of people whined re: 'how did he win, i don't know anyone who voted for him'
1256618;1440960377;trinque;"here is everywhere" I think applies.
1256619;1440960388;trinque;of course social groups would self-select, or how are they a group?
1256620;1440960712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00069663 = 9.5438 BTC [+]
1256621;1440960840;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meanwhile there's a new bojum
1256622;1440960853;mircea_popescu;ima be connecting to zoolag and passing you tx aa956edc2dd94722b5794eaf4e987ebdc8189d2e4c6334c433d7514a28d6b3ab
1256623;1440960868;mircea_popescu;see if you figure out wtf is wrong with it because i can't see it
1256624;1440960900;asciilifeform;1sec..
1256625;1440960937;asciilifeform;fire.
1256626;1440960946;mircea_popescu;no rush it'll be ongoing for a while.
1256627;1440961039;mircea_popescu;but in summary it's an apparently valid tx that lingered in "unconfirmed, broadcast through 200 nodes" sort of state for half a day, bitcoin.info as the standard bearer of the enemy DOESNT list it, either in the mempool or in the rejected txn list, in spite of having received it nx, etc.
1256628;1440961059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not seeing any sign of it in the log...
1256629;1440961078;mircea_popescu;give this an hour we talk after.
1256630;1440961089;asciilifeform;very well.
1256631;1440961124;asciilifeform;i don't suppose there is anything unusual about this tx ?
1256632;1440961140;mircea_popescu;you tell me!
1256633;1440961163;mircea_popescu;the very notion of "something unusual about txn" is smack drab in the conflict zone. wtf does this even mean.
1256634;1440961206;asciilifeform;let's say it straddled a former fork boundary
1256635;1440961217;mircea_popescu;i dun think so.
1256636;1440961294;asciilifeform; tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep 28d6b3ab
1256637;1440961296;asciilifeform;......
1256638;1440961317;asciilifeform;[the sound of silence]
1256639;1440961320;mircea_popescu;lol. if you're using the stock scheme of logs, they dump like gpg dumps. only a portion
1256640;1440961327;mircea_popescu;and iirc they cut from the front, too
1256641;1440961363;mircea_popescu;anyway, appreciate that i'm having a node respun with a -connect to you, so may take a little.
1256642;1440961444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9671 @ 0.00069141 = 6.6866 BTC [-] {3} 
1256643;1440961529;*;asciilifeform puts 'tx dumper' on list of necessaries
1256644;1440961551;*;asciilifeform notices that it was already long there
1256645;1440961556;jurov;maybe they started censoring eulora-related-txen , too
1256646;1440961574;jurov;but how did they figured this is one, i have nfi
1256647;1440961633;asciilifeform;unsigned plaintext 'asks for rape' - in the abstract
1256648;1440961639;asciilifeform;only a question of who and when.
1256649;1440961646;asciilifeform;i have noted this before.
1256650;1440961659;mircea_popescu;jurov i dunno, hanbot complained about her tx not going through, i look at the node she's talking to, it's there, i look at the network, it's not there.
1256651;1440961718;asciilifeform;for all i know, all 3 of my nodez are in mike hearn's ban list
1256652;1440961721;asciilifeform;and this sufficed.
1256653;1440961757;asciilifeform;xt nodes, even when running 'on dead squirrel in cardboard box under the bed', may well be enough as a 'neutron absorber'
1256654;1440961763;asciilifeform;given the current topology of the network
1256655;1440961797;mircea_popescu;which is why i made a special instance to talk to you specifically.
1256656;1440961805;asciilifeform;neato.
1256657;1440961839;mircea_popescu;as it turns out it's entirely possible we'll have to kick this into high gear, specifically because of the poisoning concern you discuss.
1256658;1440961883;asciilifeform;i would be genuinely astonished if the enemy were not focusing his effort on precisely this kind of poison
1256659;1440961899;mircea_popescu;jackshit it'll do, but anyway.
1256660;1440961907;mircea_popescu;teh xt mempool wars of 2015 lol
1256661;1440962178;mircea_popescu;;;seen birdman
1256662;1440962179;gribble;birdman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 58 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Birdman> im well
1256663;1440962620;mircea_popescu;"But girl's bellies and apricots, Roach in a shaded stream, Horses, ducks in flight at dawn, All these are a dream."
1256664;1440962630;mircea_popescu;orwell is officially the worst poet ever. apricots, seriously ?
1256665;1440962644;asciilifeform;notice that he is not known as a poet, aha
1256666;1440962648;mircea_popescu;dude, say cunts if you mean cunts. don't say fucking apricots when your ideas require you say cunt ffs.
1256667;1440962655;asciilifeform;funnily the ru translation (which i was reading last night) is 10x better
1256668;1440962665;mircea_popescu;quoth ?
1256669;1440962733;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://flibusta.net/b/98554/read << in there somewhere.
1256670;1440962739;assbot;Сборник рассказов, эссе (fb2) | Флибуста ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVE90Y )
1256671;1440962851;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy, 'Герой трус и от книги воняет мочой.' >> review of '1984'
1256672;1440962864;mircea_popescu;i dun see it
1256673;1440962870;mircea_popescu;just his equally bad one with the italian soldier
1256674;1440962877;asciilifeform;('the hero is a coward and the book reeks of piss')
1256675;1440962896;asciilifeform;yer right it only has the italian soldier
1256676;1440962912;mircea_popescu;he's almost pointedly anti-gifted for poetry.
1256677;1440962917;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/russian/r_wiw << here's that one
1256678;1440962918;assbot;Джордж Оруэлл: Почему я пишу -- Перевод: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWdBkM )
1256679;1440962921;mircea_popescu;like a sort of reverse-hemingway in verse.
1256680;1440962927;asciilifeform;grep for Священником я мог бы стать
1256681;1440962938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol were you testing my admittedly poor ru comprehension ?
1256682;1440962950;asciilifeform;nah just brainphart
1256683;1440962972;asciilifeform;sitting on multiple consoles, trying to wrap up 'v'
1256684;1440963008;mircea_popescu;meh, Священник is not vicar.
1256685;1440963035;asciilifeform;and, more importantly, крепыши are not 'little fat men'
1256686;1440963037;mircea_popescu;then again hm. i guess there's no better to be hgad
1256687;1440963044;asciilifeform;opposite!
1256688;1440963055;mircea_popescu;ahahaha yeah
1256689;1440963060;mircea_popescu;he didn't say fucking stout
1256690;1440963113;mircea_popescu;Девичий стан, и абрикос, dude gtfo
1256691;1440963115;mircea_popescu;how is this better ?
1256692;1440963122;asciilifeform;it isn't
1256693;1440963131;mircea_popescu;it's worse. apricot doesn't even mean cunt in russian
1256694;1440963148;mircea_popescu;they decided, iirc, on the plum
1256695;1440963152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31293 @ 0.00069096 = 21.6222 BTC [-] {3} 
1256696;1440963159;mircea_popescu;perhaps on account of having either larger plums or smaller mounds.
1256697;1440963577;mats;http://dflund.se/~john_e/fr_gems.html
1256698;1440963590;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/McKinley_Prosperity.jpg
1256699;1440963597;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVESPI )
1256700;1440963644;asciilifeform;mats: one day somebody might collect a set of these which don't date to the 486
1256701;1440963663;mats;will you be that hero
1256702;1440963670;asciilifeform;prolly not
1256703;1440963686;asciilifeform;just pointing out that these are pathetically suboptimal on x64
1256704;1440963691;asciilifeform;which has things like cmov
1256705;1440963749;mats;yep
1256706;1440964616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00068631 = 13.9664 BTC [-] {4} 
1256707;1440965043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00068623 = 12.7639 BTC [-]
1256708;1440967531;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/30/us-usa-election-christie-idUSKCN0QZ0TA20150830 << Mass-surveillance is only for the (ever-expanding category of) bad guys, don't ya know?
1256709;1440967531;assbot;Christie says criticism of FedEx-like immigrant tracking is 'ridiculous'| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1UmKK9S )
1256710;1440967640;trinque;seems they're going to get decent milage out of this "illegal immigrants" thing
1256711;1440968315;mircea_popescu;usg is running with this "let's make it so only an idiot would ever come to us" thing huh
1256712;1440968420;asciilifeform;while bezzleprinter still works, they can require 'donation' of 'extra' organs on entry and folks will come
1256713;1440968425;mircea_popescu;"He maintains that 40 percent of illegal immigrants with visas overstay their visits."
1256714;1440968432;mircea_popescu;wut ?! what's the other 60% do then ?!
1256715;1440968434;asciilifeform;waiwut
1256716;1440968446;asciilifeform;what's an illegal immigrant with a non-overstayed visa ?
1256717;1440968457;mircea_popescu;eh fuck this shit. "news".
1256718;1440968466;mircea_popescu;much more instructive to read spam emails than "news"
1256719;1440968886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20066 @ 0.00068909 = 13.8273 BTC [+]
1256720;1440969008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00068909 = 44.5497 BTC [+]
1256721;1440969679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28107 @ 0.00068739 = 19.3205 BTC [-] {3} 
1256722;1440969699;trinque;Christie's a fat Jersey moron without question. My observation is that where the "terrorism" tactic does not work, the "illegals are why you're poor" one will fill in nicely. The next obvious step is to combine them.
1256723;1440969718;trinque;someone will cross the southern border and go for a high score, or who knows what.
1256724;1440969740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00069193 = 26.6047 BTC [+]
1256725;1440969745;mircea_popescu;doubt it very much
1256726;1440969757;mircea_popescu;mexicans are going north to get exactly out of the way of mexican men.
1256727;1440969770;mircea_popescu;the men themselves are readily finding employment with the cartels.
1256728;1440969804;mats;the rfc defining pgp packets makes my brain hurt
1256729;1440969818;asciilifeform;mats: welcome to my hell
1256730;1440969829;mats;a moment of solidarity
1256731;1440969968;mats;i also have yet to decide how to solve the np-complete problems in the spec
1256732;1440969977;asciilifeform;!b 1
1256733;1440969978;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MVJ7KQ.txt )
1256734;1440969980;asciilifeform;l0l
1256735;1440969988;mats;:<
1256736;1440970058;mats;https://soundcloud.com/sjowgren/seventeen
1256737;1440970059;assbot;seventeen by sjowgren | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq2Wmo )
1256738;1440970081;trinque;mircea_popescu: but what does the real motivation of mexicans entering the US have to do with the propaganda value of the fact that they are?
1256739;1440970093;trinque;what I see is a gradual attempt to normalize location tracking of everyone; maybe I'm wrong.
1256740;1440970112;mircea_popescu;im sure usg would love nothing more than everyone carrying a mandatory ipad
1256741;1440970140;mats;http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/04/01/us-smartphone-use-in-2015
1256742;1440970142;assbot;U.S. Smartphone Use in 2015 | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq39FX )
1256743;1440970142;mircea_popescu;jus' sayin', the sort of mexicans coming into the us are filtered for worthlessness.
1256744;1440970144;mircea_popescu;not liable to do anything much.
1256745;1440970148;trinque;certainly
1256746;1440970283;mircea_popescu;so i wrote sometime somewhere a license which basically said "it is illegal to use this software". anyone recall where ?
1256747;1440970312;trinque;http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/ << this?
1256748;1440970313;assbot;A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq3o47 )
1256749;1440970317;asciilifeform;^
1256750;1440970347;mircea_popescu;ty!
1256751;1440970349;trinque;np
1256752;1440970360;*;mircea_popescu notices he forgot to add lecitin to the shopping list.
1256753;1440970977;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-133.0-133.289
1256754;1440970978;assbot;A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq4zAg )
1256755;1440970978;mircea_popescu;ahhh
1256756;1440970990;mircea_popescu;the upside of bad memory. i enjoy reading trilema as much as anyone
1256757;1440971021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0006928 = 15.1723 BTC [+] {3} 
1256758;1440971204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36527 @ 0.00069399 = 25.3494 BTC [+]
1256759;1440972668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00068932 = 1.1029 BTC [-]
1256760;1440973461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00068932 = 7.2034 BTC [-]
1256761;1440975291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00069016 = 3.5198 BTC [+]
1256762;1440977304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11595 @ 0.00068932 = 7.9927 BTC [-]
1256763;1440977397;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/trousersnake/
1256764;1440977399;assbot;Trouser snake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQVWf2 )
1256765;1440977433;mats;https://www.reddit.com/r/ReverseEngineering/comments/smf4u/reverser_wanting_to_develop_mathematically/c4fa6yl
1256766;1440977435;assbot;rolfr comments on Reverser wanting to develop mathematically ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQVYn0 )
1256767;1440977541;asciilifeform;mats: i had a good number of the books listed in the link, in school
1256768;1440977575;asciilifeform;mats: sipser and 'handbook of crypto' (crc? he doesn't say which) - i still have.
1256769;1440977585;asciilifeform;and papadimitriou
1256770;1440977634;trinque;latest item collected on the quest for radio-passive living, foxtrotgps
1256771;1440977634;asciilifeform;for some reason he doesn't mention barendregt
1256772;1440977652;trinque;anyone know a better one? navit had serious stink, passed on it
1256773;1440977680;asciilifeform;mats: re: compiler construction, i prefer aho's 'dragon book' to appel
1256774;1440977697;asciilifeform;i probably could go on and on but doubt that anybody gives a fuck.
1256775;1440977731;mats;i know approximately nothing about maths, so a list like this is helpful to me
1256776;1440977773;asciilifeform;mats: which maths you need, is something no one can answer for you. it depends heavily on what it is you are trying to think about.
1256777;1440977832;asciilifeform;if you're doing typical reversing work, you can mostly get by with a firm grasp of kindergarten arithmetic.
1256778;1440977850;asciilifeform;(and a pinch of complexity theory)
1256779;1440977872;asciilifeform;also helps if you know what automata are
1256780;1440978018;mats;noted
1256781;1440981363;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/30/8bf0c4a5cbb4cc962fc71e98eb28cf75.png
1256782;1440981366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqLDsD )
1256783;1440982607;deedbot-;[Trilema] One hundred million Eulora coins. Or in other words, one Bitcoin. - http://trilema.com/2015/one-hundred-million-eulora-coins-or-in-other-words-one-bitcoin/
1256784;1440983892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.09670001 = 1.4505 BTC [+] {2} 
1256785;1440986855;mircea_popescu;o yeah, in other news, eulora sold 1 btc worth at auction
1256786;1440987788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato
1256787;1440987847;trinque;those eulora logs crack me up
1256788;1440989623;mats;http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/turkey-duped-the-us-and-isis-reaps-rewards-10478720.html
1256789;1440989624;assbot;Turkey duped the US, and Isis reaps rewards - Comment - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1NI1ZDE )
1256790;1440989682;mats;genius
1256791;1440990564;mats;and the referenced op ed by Ambassador Edelman http://nytimes.com/2015/08/27/opinion/americas-dangerous-bargain-with-turkey.html
1256792;1440990568;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jr1QOv )
1256793;1440992645;asciilifeform;!up sexy_saffron
1256794;1440992740;trinque;https://archive.is/lQart << mats: notably, the article was taken down.
1256795;1440992742;assbot;Why is Turkey supporting Islamic State fighters in Iraq?—commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2zdKW )
1256796;1440992742;sexy_saffron;echangekey
1256797;1440992760;trinque;seems Turkey likes ISIS just fine
1256798;1440992797;trinque;at least so long as they're a problem for Syria, maybe
1256799;1440992851;sexy_saffron;;;gpg eregister sexy_saffron 922837F6B1FC09A3
1256800;1440992852;gribble;Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
1256801;1440992886;trinque;sexy_saffron: are you trying to register for voice here?
1256802;1440992899;sexy_saffron;I'm trying to register my GPG key
1256803;1440992927;sexy_saffron;;;bcauth sexy_saffron
1256804;1440992927;gribble;Request successful for user sexy_saffron, hostmask sexy_saffron!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:409a509e51d1706626f4fbf803efd3850f8e1bf64f15464d6f0f01ad
1256805;1440992928;trinque;assbot now has a separate WoT
1256806;1440992933;trinque;!gettrust sexy_saffron
1256807;1440992933;assbot;sexy_saffron is not registered in WoT.
1256808;1440992969;trinque;!h
1256809;1440992969;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1256810;1440992989;sexy_saffron;;;bcverify HH1+7nv7kCPhzrnhTLK4AOuk0VjQ3f3+i6wM6sctJCCIdM69KEbvo1SbXHrbyDkXC6UfuiSFPHYZiviDhGt61/8=
1256811;1440992990;gribble;You are now authenticated for user 'sexy_saffron' with address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT
1256812;1440992998;sexy_saffron;;;gpg eregister sexy_saffron 922837F6B1FC09A3
1256813;1440992999;gribble;Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
1256814;1440993063;sexy_saffron;>trinque I'm following the steps from the wiki, does that change the process?
1256815;1440993073;trinque;yup, assbot's the one for auth here.
1256816;1440993116;trinque;!register and !v
1256817;1440993116;assbot;Nick trinque is already taken.
1256818;1440993156;sexy_saffron;!v
1256819;1440993156;assbot;Need a decrypted verification string.
1256820;1440993166;sexy_saffron;!register
1256821;1440993166;assbot;You need to specify your key fingerprint.
1256822;1440993178;sexy_saffron;!register 922837F6B1FC09A3
1256823;1440993178;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1256824;1440993195;sexy_saffron;hmmmm
1256825;1440993217;trinque;that one you get with gpg --list-keys --fingerprint
1256826;1440993220;trinque;it'll want it without spaces.
1256827;1440993262;sexy_saffron;I don't have it registered yet though, how do I register it?
1256828;1440993303;mats;give assbot the fingerprint its asking for.
1256829;1440993432;sexy_saffron;do I have to upload my key to a server first?
1256830;1440993464;*;trinque has to depart
1256831;1440993475;trinque;sexy_saffron: yup, needs to be uploaded so assbot can retrieve
1256832;1440993502;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1256833;1440993504;asciilifeform;'v' is done.
1256834;1440993538;sexy_saffron;gpg --list-keys --fingerprint
1256835;1440993547;sexy_saffron;;;gpg --list-keys --fingerprint
1256836;1440993547;gribble;Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--list-keys" in it.  Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
1256837;1440993672;sexy_saffron;!register D170 2BB1 EE05 7FAA 3ED1 34AA 9228 37F6 B1FC 09A3
1256838;1440993672;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1256839;1440993708;BingoBoingo;no spaces this time
1256840;1440993713;BingoBoingo;Sweet asciilifeform
1256841;1440993757;sexy_saffron;!register D1702BB1EE057FAA3ED134AA922837F6B1FC09A3
1256842;1440993757;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: D1702BB1EE057FAA3ED134AA922837F6B1FC09A3. This may take a few moments.
1256843;1440993758;assbot;Key B1FC09A3 / "Saffron Bacchus <sexy_miss_safron@hotmail.com>" successfully imported.
1256844;1440993758;assbot;Registration successful.
1256845;1440993764;sexy_saffron;woo!
1256846;1440993774;BingoBoingo;congrats
1256847;1440993831;sexy_saffron;thank you!
1256848;1440993857;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.sexy_saffron.1:2c59b99541364a01369da6c4cab948cf90b5ce847dd87a623e75c7d93883c776
1256849;1440993857;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for sexy_saffron with note: not so new blood
1256850;1440993862;sexy_saffron;if assbot has a separate WoT from gribble, does that mean it won't show up on my bitcoin-otc profile?
1256851;1440993910;sexy_saffron;brb
1256852;1440993916;BingoBoingo;to be determined, but for the meantime yes
1256853;1440994140;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail.
1256854;1440994140;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256855;1440994176;*;asciilifeform sent mircea_popescu 'V' version 100K.
1256856;1440994315;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu unfortunately i have not had time to write a manual. let's see if you can figure out how it works.
1256857;1440994316;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256858;1440994576;mircea_popescu;hola
1256859;1440994631;mircea_popescu;hey sexy_saffron how's the internet treatin' ya
1256860;1440994666;mircea_popescu;!rate sexy_saffron 1 Ask to see her tits.
1256861;1440994667;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/916dd348b3aaba07
1256862;1440994697;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.sexy_saffron.1:e5782c5ebf0f642efa5e359659b5e9b9f9eda46115e2ff1e6fce817f507f4e6e
1256863;1440994697;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for sexy_saffron with note: Ask to see her tits.
1256864;1440994719;mircea_popescu;sexy_saffron http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/not-found/?nick=sexy_saffron < you'll be there tomorrow.
1256865;1440994726;assbot;WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgEB47 )
1256866;1440994748;mircea_popescu;mats isn't this how us middle east politics have been playing out since the 50s ?
1256867;1440994784;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu !
1256868;1440994805;mircea_popescu;?
1256869;1440994819;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1256855
1256870;1440994819;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 04:09:36; *: asciilifeform sent mircea_popescu 'V' version 100K.
1256871;1440994841;mircea_popescu;yea...
1256872;1440994860;mircea_popescu;gettin' to it ey.
1256873;1440994864;asciilifeform;l0l
1256874;1440994917;mats;mircea_popescu: yep. one step forward, two steps back
1256875;1440994974;mircea_popescu;pickle_support.o << lulz of all time tbh
1256876;1440994996;asciilifeform;dear satan
1256877;1440994998;asciilifeform;is that from mine
1256878;1440995018;asciilifeform;in terms of packages, it needs 'python-gnupg' and that's it
1256879;1440995033;asciilifeform;(and notably NOT 'gnupg', if you have that one installed it will croak)
1256880;1440995425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FKDWVR ?
1256881;1440995426;assbot;dpaste: 1FKDWVR ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgFgT8 )
1256882;1440995984;mircea_popescu;!up sexy_saffron
1256883;1440995988;mircea_popescu;see if you can self-voice.
1256884;1440995994;sexy_saffron;!up
1256885;1440996007;sexy_saffron;!up sexy_saffron
1256886;1440996008;mircea_popescu;gotta say it in private message to assbot. /query assbot
1256887;1440996028;sexy_saffron;it says successful! :)
1256888;1440996045;mircea_popescu;well done!
1256889;1440996054;mircea_popescu;so how've you been ?
1256890;1440996054;sexy_saffron;Thank you!
1256891;1440996064;sexy_saffron;I've been great, how about you?
1256892;1440996079;mircea_popescu;idem
1256893;1440996126;sexy_saffron;col
1256894;1440996127;sexy_saffron;cool
1256895;1440996137;mircea_popescu;hey, do you play videogames ?
1256896;1440996141;sexy_saffron;yes
1256897;1440996160;mircea_popescu;ever consider doing one of those "naked saffron reviews videogames" things ?
1256898;1440996215;sexy_saffron;that would be cool, but I'm mostly into older games
1256899;1440996229;mircea_popescu;that only makes it better.
1256900;1440996235;sexy_saffron;UT2003, wow, elite force...
1256901;1440996239;mircea_popescu;new games suck anyway
1256902;1440996266;sexy_saffron;I suppose I could do gameplay vids on our private wow server, showing all the bugs :P
1256903;1440996301;sexy_saffron;youtube hates me though :P
1256904;1440996304;mircea_popescu;and then you could have a vote button, let the readers vote on whether you should be spanked or not for the review.
1256905;1440996308;mircea_popescu;one vote = one paddle.
1256906;1440996322;mircea_popescu;ah, talk to naphex, he'd prolly host it
1256907;1440996329;sexy_saffron;that would be a fun way to use coloured coins :P
1256908;1440996380;thestringpuller;sexy_saffron: but I'm mostly into older games << care to name a few?
1256909;1440996389;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1256880 << fire at will
1256910;1440996389;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 04:30:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FKDWVR ?
1256911;1440996434;sexy_saffron;dennis and I like to play lan games together, like UT2003, minecraft, call of duty mw, our wow server
1256912;1440996441;sexy_saffron;and lots of ipad games :P
1256913;1440996444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i change it you'll have to resign ?
1256914;1440996448;mircea_popescu;i mean re-sign lol
1256915;1440996460;asciilifeform;i will
1256916;1440996471;asciilifeform;while you're at it, try... running it
1256917;1440996482;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what makes you think i personally run software
1256918;1440996492;asciilifeform;mebbe this is one of those magic dragons that will only ever run on this here box.
1256919;1440996494;mircea_popescu;but i don't. i personally fuck, yes, i personally cook, rarely. but computors ?!
1256920;1440996546;asciilifeform;feed it to a pet, then.
1256921;1440996553;mircea_popescu;i need more pets ;/
1256922;1440996570;mircea_popescu;who fucking knew that cli will become the bottleneck as i age ffs.
1256923;1440996586;mircea_popescu;i've been running a whore to geek conversion program for a year now, it's fucking shameful.
1256924;1440996608;asciilifeform;'v' oughta be a major pill against this kind of grind.
1256925;1440996620;asciilifeform;the thing actually works.
1256926;1440996634;mircea_popescu;(incidentally - anyone looking to hire junior coders : hire at the strip club. about 10x better results than cs undergrad programme)
1256927;1440996649;asciilifeform;takes patches, sigs - and shits out coherent animal, on demand
1256928;1440996672;mircea_popescu;you dun have to sell me on my own god damned idea!111!!11
1256929;1440996672;sexy_saffron;loosely related, the reddit camgirls are starting to get really good at css :P
1256930;1440996681;mircea_popescu;sexy_saffron loosely indeed :D
1256931;1440996817;sexy_saffron;so if I want to set up with the bitcoin-otc wot, do I need to redo everything on that channel?
1256932;1440996861;mircea_popescu;notrly, just send your gpg to gribble
1256933;1440996876;mircea_popescu;i dun recall the syntax but it was pretty straightforward. maybe ;;eregister it was ?
1256934;1440996900;sexy_saffron;ah ok, I'll try that out
1256935;1440996965;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aww my genesis sig didn't make it in!
1256936;1440996973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a fucking demo
1256937;1440996979;asciilifeform;hardly anybody's anything made it in
1256938;1440996982;mircea_popescu;NO!
1256939;1440996983;mircea_popescu;BUTTHURT
1256940;1440996984;asciilifeform;except for my spew
1256941;1440996985;asciilifeform;l0l
1256942;1440997183;asciilifeform;aaaaand....
1256943;1440997186;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1256944;1440997192;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1256945;1440997193;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000159.html
1256946;1440997195;assbot;[BTC-dev] V. (ver. 100K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQqQGr )
1256947;1440997235;imsaguy;sexy_saffron: ;;register, ;;eregister, ;;bcregister all work depending on your preferred method of auth.
1256948;1440997270;sexy_saffron;I've been trying ;;eregister but it says the nick is already registered and to try another
1256949;1440997294;tripleslash;which nick are you attempting to register under?
1256950;1440997299;tripleslash;;;gpg info sexy_saffron
1256951;1440997299;sexy_saffron;sexy_saffron
1256952;1440997299;gribble;User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul  4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
1256953;1440997320;tripleslash;yeah, it looks like you registered a year ago
1256954;1440997332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform proof that your computing sucks : your thing is 480k, mine is 380k.
1256955;1440997336;mircea_popescu;get better computing.
1256956;1440997338;sexy_saffron;yep, is there a way to add my gpg key though?
1256957;1440997338;asciilifeform;lel
1256958;1440997340;tripleslash;so while auth'd with your bitcoin address, you can do a ;;changekey or ;;echangekey which will add your gpg
1256959;1440997368;mircea_popescu;;;rated sexy_saffron
1256960;1440997368;gribble;You have not yet rated user sexy_saffron
1256961;1440997374;mircea_popescu;odd.
1256962;1440997377;tripleslash;;;gettrust sexy_saffron
1256963;1440997378;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user imsaguy to user sexy_saffron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=imsaguy&dest=sexy_saffron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sexy_saffron | Rated since: Fri Jul (1 more message)
1256964;1440997383;tripleslash;no trust :(
1256965;1440997395;sexy_saffron;woo! I think that worked!
1256966;1440997402;tripleslash;;;gpg info sexy_saffron
1256967;1440997403;gribble;User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul  4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
1256968;1440997407;tripleslash;nope.
1256969;1440997410;mircea_popescu;trinque she's ok, did hm... where was that
1256970;1440997412;sexy_saffron;Thanks tripleslash!
1256971;1440997419;tripleslash;sexy_saffron: its not don eyet.
1256972;1440997425;mircea_popescu;anyone got a link to sexy_saffron s video @ TLP was it ?
1256973;1440997426;tripleslash;err, done yet.
1256974;1440997434;gabriel_laddel;twas for taleb
1256975;1440997449;gabriel_laddel;she giggles throughout iirc
1256976;1440997462;sexy_saffron;yeah! I saw he did really well with his hedge fund during the first crash
1256977;1440997475;mircea_popescu;ah so it was.
1256978;1440997478;tripleslash;sexy_saffron: [e]changekey is a two step process.  You have to prove you have the private key.
1256979;1440997517;sexy_saffron;it didn't ask me to sign anything, it just said successful, what's the next step?
1256980;1440997602;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov what happened to the beautiful idea of NOT FUCKING MUTILATING FILENAMES ?!!!
1256981;1440997602;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1256982;1440997616;tripleslash;when you do the changekey, it'll either send you a pastebin that you need to decrypt or a otp that you need to encrypt.
1256983;1440997639;tripleslash;you use verify/everify depending on which way you're choosing to go.
1256984;1440997696;sexy_saffron;ah ok, it did link me to a message, which decrypted looks like the authentication phrase
1256985;1440997706;sexy_saffron;what's the difference between verify and everify?
1256986;1440997728;tripleslash;verify goes with changekey.  everify goes with echangekey.
1256987;1440997750;gabriel_laddel;sexy_saffron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210834
1256988;1440997750;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 18:17:13; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209698 << I would pay for a video of Stoya reciting PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY + a few other Schwartz works while being fucked.
1256989;1440997755;tripleslash;so if you did echangekey, you need to decrypt and send back to gribble via everify otp:blahblahblah
1256990;1440997808;gabriel_laddel;!up sexy_saffron
1256991;1440997857;sexy_saffron;yay! I think it worked!
1256992;1440997864;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so why tell her ?
1256993;1440997898;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: she is involved in the pornography industry in some capacity?
1256994;1440997900;sexy_saffron;I'm always open to custom videos.... ;)
1256995;1440997932;mircea_popescu;what's this, "you from new york, ever heard of joe also from new york" to the power of five ?
1256996;1440998033;gabriel_laddel;nah, more along the lines of "I'm a programmer" "orly, do you grok lisp? What the primary advantages that haskell's type system provides? Ada's test suite: comments?"
1256997;1440998036;tripleslash;sexy_saffron, yes it did.  congrats!
1256998;1440998051;gabriel_laddel;it'll spark an interesting conversation - or not.
1256999;1440998053;tripleslash;sexy_saffron: now get some lvl 2 trust in here so you can !up to assbot
1257000;1440998073;gabriel_laddel;in any case, it tells me if I'm at all interested in the individual
1257001;1440998078;punkman;advantages of haskell: https://xkcd.com/1312/
1257002;1440998079;assbot;xkcd: Haskell ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQrSlS )
1257003;1440998110;sexy_saffron;I get 1759480
1257004;1440998134;sexy_saffron;thanks again tripleslash!
1257005;1440998142;sexy_saffron;I often rely on the kindness of strangers ;)
1257006;1440998145;mircea_popescu;tripleslash she has that already.
1257007;1440998466;sexy_saffron;well I'm going to go to bed, but you guys let me know if you want me to do a custom video! :P sexy_miss_saffron@hotmail.com
1257008;1440998505;sexy_saffron;goodnight! :)
1257009;1440999062;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1257010;1440999063;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html
1257011;1440999063;assbot;[BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQt08V )
1257012;1441000143;*;asciilifeform to bed.
1257013;1441000800;tripleslash;mircea_popescu: my bad.
1257014;1441000879;mircea_popescu;how've YOU been doin' anyway
1257015;1441001730;tripleslash;meh
1257016;1441001957;mircea_popescu;not so hot ?
1257017;1441002551;tripleslash;Just nothing remarkable at the moment.
1257018;1441003893;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt << pretty lulzy top page.
1257019;1441003895;assbot;Bitcoin XT - uncensored Bitcoin discussion ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEKRLM )
1257020;1441003904;mircea_popescu;nothing about XT outside of "With 58+% of the miners voting for BIP100 and less than 1% voting for XT/BIP101. XT doesn't seem likely to happen (soon). What will happen now?"
1257021;1441003926;mircea_popescu;what could happen young padawan ? you were on the wrong side of history. again.
1257022;1441003932;mircea_popescu;yes, so was "everyone else". awwww.
1257023;1441004019;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/pBsz3 particularly lulzy.
1257024;1441004019;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEL3e3 )
1257025;1441004370;punkman;"Just landed at SFO, border control saw my @BitX shirt and asked if I was carrying more than USD10,000 in #bitcoin - how times have changed"
1257026;1441004474;trinque;"Uh. No?
1257027;1441004476;trinque;"
1257028;1441004481;trinque;...laggy terminal
1257029;1441004510;punkman;!up Vexual
1257030;1441004517;trinque;I'm just barely curious what their definition of carrying is, if they have one.
1257031;1441004544;Vexual;you anus might be inspected
1257032;1441004548;mircea_popescu;"hello sir are you carrying more than $10k in real estate ?"
1257033;1441004552;mircea_popescu;"are you an idiot ?"
1257034;1441004583;punkman;I guess they might think that bitcoin comes in physical coins only
1257035;1441004606;mircea_popescu;"yes, the forever anal love of your mom's worth well over $10k!"
1257036;1441004610;punkman;asciilifeform would quote babbage :P
1257037;1441004677;Vexual;cunt'd quoth many
1257038;1441004698;mircea_popescu;trinque http://trilema.com/feed/ < 5 hrs ago ?
1257039;1441004699;assbot;Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWUGq2 )
1257040;1441004706;tripleslash;I love that that the rallying cry for XT is "But censorship!"
1257041;1441004715;Vexual;and the wavy hand of the law would send him on his vexed way
1257042;1441004727;trinque;hm
1257043;1441004729;*;trinque looks
1257044;1441004733;mircea_popescu;and the original vision of satoshi!
1257045;1441004753;mircea_popescu;who actually went to the trouble of writing a letter specifically to diss xt and the two shitheads involved.
1257046;1441004762;tripleslash;I'd bet most that invoke the original vision of satoshi haven't even bothered to read his paper.
1257047;1441004767;Vexual;that was you
1257048;1441004774;mircea_popescu;mmyeah.
1257049;1441004781;mircea_popescu;much like most that invoke the original vision of jesus.
1257050;1441004795;Vexual;shitstains et all
1257051;1441004799;tripleslash;there are about as many eye witness accounts of both
1257052;1441004811;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, the original vision of the founding fathers folks are plainly innocent of the federalist papers.
1257053;1441004812;mircea_popescu;or so on.
1257054;1441004815;tripleslash;all we need now is some toast
1257055;1441004840;Vexual;chin shin
1257056;1441004888;tripleslash;At the end of the day, Satoshi isn't around to continue to shepherd his project (at least by the satoshi name), so his original vision starts to lose relevance.
1257057;1441004942;Vexual;he left a pretty heady resolve
1257058;1441004960;punkman;I doubt satoshi expected bitcoin to come this far
1257059;1441004986;mircea_popescu;most likely did not.
1257060;1441005015;cazalla;evenin'
1257061;1441005024;tripleslash;nah, morning
1257062;1441005058;deedbot-;[Trilema] No Such lAbs releases V for Victory. - http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/
1257063;1441005072;trinque;^ weird, it had a stuck connection on port 80.
1257064;1441005087;mircea_popescu;odd
1257065;1441005097;mircea_popescu;anyway, gents please read the V, in whatever place you might favour.
1257066;1441005098;trinque;maybe the python RSS guy needs a timeout; I'll mess with it
1257067;1441005109;punkman;trinque: not uncommon if you don't have timeouts
1257068;1441005110;Vexual;so read
1257069;1441005215;Vexual;cazalla, any crash?
1257070;1441005259;cazalla;Vexual, only in the temperature, apparently this  winter was the coldest Melbourne has had in 26 years but spring is here tomorrow so who cares
1257071;1441005314;Vexual;bring on summer
1257072;1441005351;trinque;punkman: socket.setdefaulttimeout(30) << seems reasonable right?
1257073;1441005394;punkman;trinque: that might not be HTTP timeout
1257074;1441005419;trinque;doesn't look like feedparser has its own knob for timeout
1257075;1441005456;Vexual;http://41.media.tumblr.com/bdcdca193c2b46464d04640c09946096/tumblr_nkptoqBSM51u6j3sro1_500.jpg
1257076;1441005758;punkman;trinque: try adding a timeout in the urllib call
1257077;1441005772;trinque;feedparser doesn't hand it up as a parameter
1257078;1441005784;trinque;it uses urllib, but deep in the bowels
1257079;1441005802;mats;the for else construct oughta be replaced with a list comprehension IMO, re: V-genesis
1257080;1441005947;Vexual;http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1461667461
1257081;1441005991;Vexual;txpoolfail http://38.media.tumblr.com/4e90a18839ffc0fdca51a72c536d61b0/tumblr_nj4l0yWmrz1tc0kc4o7_250.gif
1257082;1441006167;mats;or something else, although it is mostly an issue of style (and I thought alf abhorred py idioms?) so maybe fuck me right
1257083;1441006193;mats;coincidentally Knuth is responsible for this keyword
1257084;1441007243;mats;fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases.
1257085;1441007271;mats;and then there's this: http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_2.html
1257086;1441007272;assbot;Sun: x86 Instruction Set Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGmwkX )
1257087;1441009718;trinque;this v.py is sublime. I've been playing with it for a while.
1257088;1441009808;trinque;neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures.
1257089;1441011303;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256011 <<< no, not yet
1257090;1441011303;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 20:47:31; mod6: ;;later tell davout You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
1257091;1441013791;punkman;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10140981
1257092;1441013792;assbot;UDP flood DDoS attacks against XT nodes | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2XPV9 )
1257093;1441014574;punkman;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216246/Barclays-UK-high-street-bank-accept-bitcoin.html
1257094;1441014575;assbot;Barclays to become first UK high street bank to accept bitcoin | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2YYfq )
1257095;1441014586;punkman;... "as it starts taking charity donations in the virtual currency"
1257096;1441014624;punkman;"It has around 75 staff looking into  bitcoin and block chain at offices in Notting Hill and Old Street, close  to the City of London."
1257097;1441016197;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-micropayments-faraday-freelance-market/   "Hey guys, we can still make pennies on the hour, but with BITCOIN!"
1257098;1441016198;assbot;Bitcoin Micropayment Service Targets Global Freelancers ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnhwYQ )
1257099;1441017131;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257025 <--  Declare your copy of the chain.  Yes, I happen to be carrying ~all~ the bitcoins sir.
1257100;1441017131;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 06:59:30; punkman: "Just landed at SFO, border control saw my @BitX shirt and asked if I was carrying more than USD10,000 in #bitcoin - how times have changed"
1257101;1441017142;funkenstein_;mornin' lords and ladies
1257102;1441017206;*;funkenstein_ once tried to be economically independent; nearly broke his back
1257103;1441017520;*;funkenstein_ runs of to play with "fau" 
1257104;1441017624;shinohai;mornin funkenstein.
1257105;1441017833;funkenstein_;shinohai how are things?
1257106;1441018017;shinohai;not bad here funkenstein_ having coffee and logs, you?
1257107;1441018080;funkenstein_;not bad thanks, on a train :)
1257108;1441018094;punkman;https://nobitcoinlicense.org/
1257109;1441018096;assbot;Say No to the California Bitcoin License ... ( http://bit.ly/1NItjBt )
1257110;1441018099;*;shinohai likes trains
1257111;1441018226;shinohai;Welp looks like that moron chicagoschooler deleted his reddit AND twitter.
1257112;1441018242;shinohai;He provided so many lulz. Shall be missed.
1257113;1441019007;punkman;http://cdn.papermag.com/uploaded_images/miley_papermagazine_4.jpg
1257114;1441019008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGBWu1 )
1257115;1441019369;shinohai;I find Miley Cyrus so absolutely disgusting irl, no need for embellishments.
1257116;1441019401;punkman;shinohai: most pics I've seen of her are disgusting indeed
1257117;1441019409;punkman;I quite like that one though
1257118;1441019415;shinohai;lol
1257119;1441019622;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QfyBAFzYk
1257120;1441019623;assbot;Eamon feat Ghostface Killah - I Love Them Ho's.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGD00T )
1257121;1441019912;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/15-year-.old-developer-ethereum-whit-jackson/?utm_content=buffer6d5f4   <<< Kid looks like he is going for that Gavin look
1257122;1441019915;assbot;15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGDtQH )
1257123;1441019997;fluffypony;"He's currently the CTO of Etherparty"
1257124;1441020007;fluffypony;what's the point of titles if they're meaningless
1257125;1441020024;fluffypony;I'm currently the king of Fuckistania
1257126;1441020089;funkenstein_;i wanna see your business card
1257127;1441020119;fluffypony;funkenstein_: I said Fuckistania, not Funkensteinia :-P
1257128;1441020141;funkenstein_;http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue
1257129;1441020142;assbot;dpaste: 0PDMS1X ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhnJu6 )
1257130;1441020288;punkman;who's the CTO of Fuckistania?
1257131;1441020434;fluffypony;punkman: some 14 year old kid, it's all a competition to see who has the youngest staff
1257132;1441020466;fluffypony;I've been trying to recruit a 3-year-old from a few houses down, but the parents keep looking at me funny and taking their kid inside when I bring the paperwork for him to sign
1257133;1441020535;punkman;you should sponsor a hackathon at the local kindergarten
1257134;1441020641;funkenstein_;that will turn some VC heads methinks
1257135;1441020648;fluffypony;lol
1257136;1441020652;shinohai;I modified my juice box to pick up whispers and cheat at cut and paste.
1257137;1441025650;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1256972 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/08/attracting-taleb-and-tlp-to-bitcoin-assets-with-camgirls/
1257138;1441025650;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 05:03:45; mircea_popescu: anyone got a link to sexy_saffron s video @ TLP was it ?
1257139;1441025652;assbot;Attracting Taleb and TLP to #bitcoin-assets… With Camgirls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNHftz )
1257140;1441025671;pete_dushenski;tlp video removed by yt, taleb one still up
1257141;1441025694;pete_dushenski;one of contravex' 10-15 most popular articles, month in and month out
1257142;1441026774;shinohai;Good article pete_dushenski I hadn't read that on Sexy Saffron
1257143;1441026849;pete_dushenski;it hasn't brought either of them here yet but the internet's a big place
1257144;1441026859;pete_dushenski;even for bright folks, the noise can be deafening
1257145;1441026886;pete_dushenski;'specially if you're on the wrong side of 50 a la taleb
1257146;1441026891;pete_dushenski;(not sure how old tlp is)
1257147;1441027212;pete_dushenski;"The free-market system has salient flaws and hidden benefits. All other systems have hidden flaws and salient benefits." -herr taleb
1257148;1441027427;pete_dushenski;" Note that it costs only a few dollars a day for someone to zap systematically suspicious posters who have not participated on this page before." -herr taleb, apparently learning to deal better with trolls and other internet phenomena
1257149;1441027436;pete_dushenski;taleb's learning!
1257150;1441027484;*;pete_dushenski wonders if there'd be any action on a bitbet as to whether taleb shows up here in the next year
1257151;1441027498;*;pete_dushenski suspects he's 3-5 years away
1257152;1441027690;shinohai;Taleb rejected your offer of a BTC just to show up?
1257153;1441027737;pete_dushenski;y'know i can't even recall if i made him that offer before i was in b-a or not
1257154;1441027753;pete_dushenski;iirc i just offered him a btc outright just to play with
1257155;1441027800;pete_dushenski;of course, the tweet in question was sent from an account that's since been mothballed
1257156;1441027817;pete_dushenski;so i dunno when exactly i sent it
1257157;1441027841;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/471340967954374657 << in case anyone can decipher these urls and make out a timestamp
1257158;1441027844;shinohai;Ok camgirls failed to entice so perhaps he is immune to pr0n.
1257159;1441027897;pete_dushenski;not sure i'd call sexy_saffron representative of all camgirls, nor camgirls representative of all porn, but ya, this arrow missed
1257160;1441027987;shinohai;She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy.
1257161;1441027993;shinohai;*savvy
1257162;1441028036;shinohai;http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/stopping-network-abusers.htm   <<<kek
1257163;1441028158;shinohai;"Mining for bitcoin" is what got my node shut down on hashbang
1257164;1441028242;pete_dushenski;"These aren't naive amateurs; they are clever hackers who are willfully stealing for their own selfish gain. It’s a small group – 1/100 of a percent of our 59 million customers – but some of them are using as much as 2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month. I’m not sure what they are doing with it – stealing wireless access for their entire business, powering a small cloud servic
1257165;1441028243;pete_dushenski;e, providing broadband to a small city, mining for bitcoin -- but I really don’t care!" -john legere, ceo and president of t-mobile
1257166;1441028425;shinohai;!up nanashi_
1257167;1441028509;shinohai;But, automatically bitcoin is shady with a lot of providers even if you are prefectly willing to pay increased prices for service
1257168;1441028512;shinohai;+ data
1257169;1441028585;nanashi_;Hello, Mr. mircea_popescu.
1257170;1441028599;nanashi_;I'd like to ask a question about "What if I created a bet address but can't bet right now?"(https://bitbet.us/faq/#150), which states 3-day window for betting.
1257171;1441028617;nanashi_;Is there any remedial action due to the damage caused by the "stress-testing" which was occurring on the BTC network?
1257172;1441028632;nanashi_;I have realized that "faq/#150" is potentially very dangerous to almost all bettors given the unpredictable "stress-testing" which might occur in the future.
1257173;1441028645;nanashi_;For example, it was reported (https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/#c4934) that 0.1 BTC vote on yes with a fee of .00001 took 5 days until the first confirmation.
1257174;1441028648;punkman;pay more fees, problem solved
1257175;1441028665;nanashi_;During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding.
1257176;1441028676;nanashi_;Also, I'm wondering if it is possible, that by monitoring "mempool" of BTC transactions, BitBet can anticipate that the bet address is to be used by a bettor, so be able to make it exempt from reclaiming the address.
1257177;1441028878;nanashi_;punkman: Yes.  But I anticipate a bigger incident will inevitably occur due to a 1MB thing.
1257178;1441028887;pete_dushenski;!gettrust nanashi_
1257179;1441028887;assbot;nanashi_ is not registered in WoT.
1257180;1441028916;pete_dushenski;doesn't look like you're in any sort of position to make 'recommendations' to how bitbet does anything
1257181;1441029087;nanashi_;pete_dushenski: I'm sorry.  All I can do is monitoring BTC network's statistics and pay enough fees. Thank you.
1257182;1441029106;pete_dushenski;don't mention it
1257183;1441029841;nanashi_;Those were my worry-ness. I have never thought "faq/#150" had much meaning because I thought forgetting for 3 days seemed to be a complete idiot!
1257184;1441031048;thestringpuller;hey pete_dushenski how goes fatherhood? :D
1257185;1441031406;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << i expect a number of people will have this issue! turns out there are TWO gnupg call-out libs for python: 'gnupg' and 'python-gnupg'. i uses the latter. one of these was written by a human, and another is the same, taken by an imbecile who decided to carve his initials into it by changing field names. i do not know still which is which.
1257186;1441031406;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 11:22:21; funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue
1257187;1441031467;asciilifeform;;;later tell funkenstein_ if you have 'gnupg', and your system has 'pip', 'pip uninstall gnupg; pip install python-gnupg'
1257188;1441031467;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1257189;1441031601;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257082 << i loathe python per se. but the only realistic alternative was perl. (my original attempts at 'v' were in awk/sed, and did not work very well)
1257190;1441031601;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 07:29:27; mats: or something else, although it is mostly an issue of style (and I thought alf abhorred py idioms?) so maybe fuck me right
1257191;1441031671;asciilifeform;there aren't too many scripting languages that everybody already has on their box.
1257192;1441031722;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general.
1257193;1441031722;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 08:30:08; trinque: neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures.
1257194;1441031791;asciilifeform;also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset
1257195;1441032081;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1257196;1441032082;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2D3SRQF#wrap
1257197;1441032084;assbot;dpaste: 2D3SRQF: V Examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVgTq )
1257198;1441032091;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
1257199;1441032278;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here.
1257200;1441032279;assbot;[BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
1257201;1441032402;*;shinohai *likes asciilifeform 's clever license
1257202;1441032415;asciilifeform;shinohai: mircea_popescu dreamed it up
1257203;1441032437;shinohai;nice.
1257204;1441032442;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm
1257205;1441032443;assbot;A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY )
1257206;1441032477;shinohai;Fuck i hit paywall again and still have no way to purchase credits.
1257207;1441032488;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you might want to put 'vdiff' in the footnotes on your article, as 'v' doesn't work without it; see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255918 for signed copy of 'vdiff'.
1257208;1441032488;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 20:01:42; trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt
1257209;1441032489;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1257210;1441032518;thestringpuller;shinohai: one second
1257211;1441032593;shinohai;kk
1257212;1441032958;thestringpuller;shinohai: http://dpaste.com/3SSXQJV.txt
1257213;1441033446;shinohai;ty thestringpuller
1257214;1441033489;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here. << thanks asciilifeform! I'll check it out when I get a chance later.
1257215;1441033490;assbot;[BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
1257216;1441035582;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257187 << can also put python-gnupg in a dir next to v.py if you don't want to install it globally
1257217;1441035582;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 14:31:07; asciilifeform: ;;later tell funkenstein_ if you have 'gnupg', and your system has 'pip', 'pip uninstall gnupg; pip install python-gnupg'
1257218;1441036311;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: we discovered the soother last night. best. invention. ever.
1257219;1441036808;thestringpuller;the soother? wat dat?
1257220;1441037343;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: eg. https://www.colourbox.com/preview/1577801-plastic-baby-pacifier-or-soother-isolated-on-white.jpg
1257221;1441037344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvS7tI )
1257222;1441037402;pete_dushenski;(my apologies for the tardy responses y'all. i'm in and out of 'duty' atm. so i'm here, just sometimes delayed.)
1257223;1441037474;thestringpuller;jury duty?
1257224;1441037539;ben_vulpes;what's wrong with the teat?
1257225;1441037568;ben_vulpes;congrats on V, asciilifeform.
1257226;1441037589;ben_vulpes;i'll give it a read-through later today.
1257227;1441037618;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: 'dad duty'
1257228;1441037629;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: nothing. necessary. not sufficient.
1257229;1441038102;ben_vulpes;kidding aside, congrats señor
1257230;1441038124;pete_dushenski;gracias amigo :)
1257231;1441038175;ben_vulpes;bwaha the trousersnake oglaf
1257232;1441038186;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: how's the first week going?
1257233;1441038197;jurov;;;later tell mircea_popescu mpex has some trouble, 15min old unacknowledged orders
1257234;1441038197;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1257235;1441038285;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: no complaints really. he's an impressive little specimen. already lifting his head!
1257236;1441038318;ben_vulpes;more curious about the lifestyle change, but that's good to hear as well.
1257237;1441038326;pete_dushenski;(for those unawares, head-lifting normally takes place ~1-2 months in newborns)
1257238;1441038335;ben_vulpes;how long did he gestate?
1257239;1441038345;pete_dushenski;9 months. to the day.
1257240;1441038359;ben_vulpes;timely fucker!
1257241;1441038399;jurov;was he reading #b-a in the womb?
1257242;1441038403;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: as to lifestyle changes, nothing overwhelming really. helps that neither of us have an office job stealing us away so we can take as much time as we need to adapt, lean, and cope
1257243;1441038417;ben_vulpes;quelle privilege
1257244;1441038450;pete_dushenski;jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise
1257245;1441038506;jurov;^ possible alf's antifuse rom implemntation?
1257246;1441038517;jurov;one child per bit
1257247;1441038541;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ << tumultuous, almost fiery time. pretty much 9 months ago exactly.
1257248;1441038543;assbot;Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDCstP )
1257249;1441038656;pete_dushenski;"This isn’t to say, from some perspectives, that I haven’t tried to hang myself. I have. From the outside looking in at this institution-cum-“cult,” my regurgitation and therefore implicit condonation of rape and sexual slavery, whether I intended these terms in the literal or simply as useful metaphors for domination, isn’t always clearly conveyed to the reader. As such, some hot
1257250;1441038656;pete_dushenski;water have I brought to boil with friends and family. Certainly nothing irresolvable, and no interventions have yet been attempted, but being a Reactionary isn’t always smooth sailing."
1257251;1441038660;pete_dushenski;^specifically
1257252;1441038713;pete_dushenski;but hey, just my pet theory as to the passions of life.
1257253;1441038732;pete_dushenski;well, of life and of *creating* life
1257254;1441038733;mike_c;congrats pete!  any cute pics?
1257255;1441038764;pete_dushenski;didja catch this one ? http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Pete_and_Niko_Dushenski-1024x768.jpg
1257256;1441038767;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvVC3w )
1257257;1441038792;mats;mpoe sleeps
1257258;1441038805;mike_c;hehe.  well the *baby* is very cute :)
1257259;1441038828;pete_dushenski;he's lucky that he looks very little like his dad then !
1257260;1441038856;mike_c;that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat
1257261;1441038903;jurov;mats, now that you say it...
1257262;1441038928;pete_dushenski;mike_c: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxaQsBXJRcs
1257263;1441038929;assbot;Family Guy - Peter Breast feeding Stewie - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvW4ig )
1257264;1441038984;mike_c;lol.  nice.
1257265;1441039004;mike_c;well mazeltov and enjoy.  they don't stay small long.
1257266;1441039090;pete_dushenski;cheers mike :D
1257267;1441039152;jurov;ANN: coinbr in snafu mode (no trading) till mpex is fixed
1257268;1441039383;pete_dushenski;bbiab
1257269;1441039903;BingoBoingo;<nanashi_> During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding. << SOmetime on Day 2 double spend the coins with a higher fee so the miners want it.
1257270;1441041276;punkman;;;ud snafu
1257271;1441041276;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SNAFU | One of a progression of military situational indicators: 1. SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - Thing are running normally. 2. TARFUN - Thing...
1257272;1441042226;jurov;why, yes, normal situation here
1257273;1441042391;jurov;unrelated to this, it is kinda rotating mpex.co .bz .ws etc. proxies and *always* at least one is inaccessible due to "Temporary failure in name resolution"
1257274;1441042786;mike_c;interesting.  you think that's because of flaky name servers?
1257275;1441042886;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210796
1257276;1441042886;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 14:53:37; kakobrekla: its generally wise to avoid dns where possible
1257277;1441043033;shinohai;http://hackaday.com/2015/08/31/fcc-introduces-rules-banning-wifi-router-firmware-modification/
1257278;1441043034;assbot;FCC Introduces Rules Banning WiFi Router Firmware Modification | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1Etrjdu )
1257279;1441043034;jurov;not looked deeper into it, and it happens independently at multiple locations
1257280;1441043288;trinque;shinohai: so fuck their "wifi"
1257281;1441043311;shinohai;agreed
1257282;1441043357;shinohai;Routers aren't any fun if you can't attach a pringles yagi
1257283;1441043372;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1257284;1441043395;ascii_field;trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in
1257285;1441043418;ascii_field;basic idea here is an attempted ban on cheap chinese 'we won't lift a finger to enforce usg diktat' chipsets
1257286;1441043420;trinque;time to accept that you're a criminal merely by being a thinking person.
1257287;1441043445;trinque;I chucked a bit to see that they specifically mention DD-WRT, but I'm not that surprised
1257288;1441043466;ascii_field;i suspect that they are specifically working on abolishing esp8266, etc
1257289;1441043469;ascii_field;!s esp8266
1257290;1441043470;assbot;17 results for 'esp8266' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=esp8266
1257291;1441043691;ascii_field;'Actually, this applies to the whole device. The article is wrong that it only applies to the radio. If the device contain a radio capable of acting in the 5GHz band, then firmware Control must be secured for the whole device, even if the parameters for the wireless Communication is locked in hardware. Note that even if you as a device manufacturer can certify in point 2 that the radio itself do contain hardware locks
1257292;1441043692;ascii_field;preventing the firmware from operating the device outside of permitted ranges, the device still needs to comply with firmware security.'
1257293;1441043707;trinque;firmware security lol
1257294;1441043735;trinque;we're outright banning inventive behavior
1257295;1441043740;trinque;we'll be dead within a decade :p
1257296;1441043745;ascii_field;long ago banned chemistry
1257297;1441043760;mircea_popescu;hola
1257298;1441043769;trinque;well that's understandable isn't it? chemicals are dangerous!
1257299;1441043779;trinque;I hear they're putting chemicals in food
1257300;1441043844;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nanashi_ there isn't any remedial for anything. bitcoin payments are entirely the responsibility of the payer. that's what "be your own banker" means.
1257301;1441043844;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1257302;1441044044;ascii_field;'The FCC specifically cites DD-WRT as an unacceptable modified firmware.'
1257303;1441044067;mircea_popescu;jurov aha, being worked on.
1257304;1441044092;mircea_popescu;ascii_field wait what ?!
1257305;1441044098;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see thread
1257306;1441044109;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this mean, "unacceptable modified firmware". it's not fucking firmware to begin iwith
1257307;1441044117;shinohai;I must move from the US and expatriate if DD-WRT is outlawed.
1257308;1441044130;ascii_field;Official ban proposed on open source anything in any apparatus containing a radio (5GHz at first, but usg sop camel nose)
1257309;1441044159;ascii_field;(and not simply open source, but anything non-nintendoized)
1257310;1441044212;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1257311;1441044220;mircea_popescu;who the fuck listens to these twerps anymore even.
1257312;1441044230;ascii_field;customs officials do.
1257313;1441044250;mircea_popescu;so they gotta be shot.
1257314;1441044331;ascii_field;general-purpose computing has been disappearing for 20 years without so much as a squeak, much less shots ringing out
1257315;1441044336;mircea_popescu;ascii_field btw got anything re that tx?
1257316;1441044353;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not as of 3 hrs ago
1257317;1441044370;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this really calls for debug instrumentation that the node in question does not presently have
1257318;1441044370;mircea_popescu;did you actually see it ?
1257319;1441044374;ascii_field;i did not.
1257320;1441044375;mircea_popescu;as in trying to come in ?
1257321;1441044378;mircea_popescu;what the ef.
1257322;1441044414;ascii_field;might need to tcpdump, 'wireshark' it.
1257323;1441044416;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257083 << which keyword ?
1257324;1441044416;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 07:29:53; mats: coincidentally Knuth is responsible for this keyword
1257325;1441044423;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nuts.
1257326;1441044454;ascii_field;bitcoin-as-it-is is not really debuggable meaningfully without packet capture. sadly.
1257327;1441044457;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257087 << the very talented mr d.
1257328;1441044457;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 08:28:38; trinque: this v.py is sublime. I've been playing with it for a while.
1257329;1441044525;trinque;The data-structure's *the thing*, and there's nothing obscuring it. Seeing it done that way, obviously it's the right way to do it.
1257330;1441044564;mircea_popescu;trinque sounds like someone from 2030 who discovered that yes the web runs on urls.
1257331;1441044582;mircea_popescu;"but it would be so much better and ~easier~ for the user if the url went away!!11"
1257332;1441044588;trinque;lol
1257333;1441044589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15772 @ 0.00068929 = 10.8715 BTC [-] {2} 
1257334;1441044590;trinque;indeed I do
1257335;1441044592;mircea_popescu;yeah. for the dumb "user".
1257336;1441044617;trinque;truly, just looking at v.py make something quite clear about what this whole "end user experience" thing has caused
1257337;1441044629;mircea_popescu;aha.
1257338;1441044636;mircea_popescu;fuck the end user with a pointed stick.
1257339;1441044650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1872 @ 0.00068624 = 1.2846 BTC [-] {16} 
1257340;1441044656;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257115 << srsly, she's just some random teenager. interesting for the people who like to [fantasize about] fucking teenagers for as long as she's a teenager.
1257341;1441044656;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 11:09:29; shinohai: I find Miley Cyrus so absolutely disgusting irl, no need for embellishments.
1257342;1441044659;ascii_field;trinque: i must dourly remind you that what you read was a very hasty and rough piece of work, that needs heavy work - particularly simplification of the graph walker
1257343;1441044664;mircea_popescu;i bet they already got another one.
1257344;1441044670;ascii_field;trinque: it also does not like broken chains, yet
1257345;1441044675;ascii_field;trinque: or track history by-file
1257346;1441044679;trinque;ascii_field: I'm referring to the theory behind the way it was designed, mostly
1257347;1441044682;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: she's actually not a teenager she's > 21
1257348;1441044685;mircea_popescu;in other words, plenty of space to contribute.
1257349;1441044688;ascii_field;trinque: the theory isn't changing, aha
1257350;1441044693;thestringpuller;dunno your definition of teenager tho :P
1257351;1441044698;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller she also doesn't matter anymore, used to 5 years ago.
1257352;1441044746;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257124 << but you could be Pony, the CEO of Fluff, a new start-up passionate about changing the world!
1257353;1441044746;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 11:20:07; fluffypony: what's the point of titles if they're meaningless
1257354;1441044795;ascii_field;trinque, mircea_popescu, et al: there is another fine point re: 'v' that i'm a little surprised nobody asked about. how it does not distinguish signers from authors. it does not do this because it is physically impossible, other than via deedbot etc., and i am not in the business of promising the impossible.
1257355;1441044818;trinque;^ certain things are a fine task for some other program
1257356;1441044832;ascii_field;see the discussion of pgp key timestamps some months back
1257357;1441044835;trinque;I think releases are the same thing, just point from elsewhere to designate a release
1257358;1441044835;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what do you mean distinguish ?
1257359;1441044839;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's a STEALTH STARTUP
1257360;1441044844;fluffypony;waiting for acquisition
1257361;1441044848;punkman;might be nice to add couple more bits of metadata in vdiffs
1257362;1441044850;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: notice how all seals (signatures) are treated alike.
1257363;1441044850;mircea_popescu;aww shit did i blow the embargoo ?
1257364;1441044859;fluffypony;we don't actually *do* anything, but we're waiting for acquisition
1257365;1441044860;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but what distinguish!
1257366;1441044862;ascii_field;punkman: what metadata.
1257367;1441044869;trinque;punkman: no!
1257368;1441044870;mircea_popescu;what, substantially, would you be distinguishing.
1257369;1441044874;trinque;point inward from elsewhere
1257370;1441044881;trinque;descriptions and shit; we've got hypertext
1257371;1441044884;punkman;ascii_field: say author's fingerprint?
1257372;1441044890;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the only timestamps worth anything are deedbot's
1257373;1441044904;mircea_popescu;explain the concept to me in general.
1257374;1441044918;mircea_popescu;so you write a song, and play it here. sometime later, i play this song for my hos.
1257375;1441044920;trinque;I briefly thought "what about metadata in the vpatches" then slapped myself
1257376;1441044927;mircea_popescu;define the concept of "author" ; distinguish it fromn the concept of "signator"
1257377;1441044968;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: my point was precisely that it is a spurious distinction, and that i do not make it in the system; and that anyone who wants to try to be remembered as the first one to pen a particular patch had better deedbot his signature
1257378;1441044969;mircea_popescu;so what does "author" mean ?
1257379;1441044982;mircea_popescu;alrighty. so why would anyone ask you anything about this :)
1257380;1441044998;mircea_popescu;"hey guise, i get no shit for doing things right, my worn out butt is surprised. what is this!"
1257381;1441045006;ascii_field;l0l
1257382;1441045034;trinque;well here's something, not having one "working dir" concept, but rather "fart out any chain of patches wherever you like" is exactly right
1257383;1441045038;mircea_popescu;the concept of "who pissed in chlorine first" is very much different from the concept of "who knows how to make never gas"
1257384;1441045047;mircea_popescu;the former's a purely historical interest. the latter's practical.
1257385;1441045060;fluffypony;never gas?
1257386;1441045065;fluffypony;:-P
1257387;1441045078;mircea_popescu;nerve lol
1257388;1441045180;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888468 << and finally we have this.
1257389;1441045180;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 18:52:16; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go.
1257390;1441045198;mircea_popescu;can i has reading the log at my own pace onoes!
1257391;1441045203;mircea_popescu;there.
1257392;1441045214;*;mircea_popescu ties up alf to a chair while he reads the logs.
1257393;1441045264;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1257394;1441045268;ascii_field;mmmhmmmhm.
1257395;1441045360;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257140 << fucktards.
1257396;1441045360;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 12:54:31; pete_dushenski: tlp video removed by yt, taleb one still up
1257397;1441045396;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << did you use the wrong package, ie the one alf warned will blow up ?
1257398;1441045396;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 11:22:21; funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue
1257399;1441045409;ascii_field;he did.
1257400;1441045433;mircea_popescu;heh k.
1257401;1441045439;mircea_popescu;THAT i should put in a footnote.
1257402;1441045504;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << possibly also this set of example
1257403;1441045507;assbot;[BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
1257404;1441045578;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257160 << recall http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/ ? she was also a camho.
1257405;1441045578;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 13:33:07; shinohai: She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy.
1257406;1441045579;assbot;Internet story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJb6DR )
1257407;1441045586;mircea_popescu;cum biology undegrad.
1257408;1441045627;BingoBoingo;Apparently wifi rules was pushed out in March? Why suddenly panic now and not then?
1257409;1441045640;trinque;so my ddwrt router is illegal?
1257410;1441045662;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: frog boiler sop
1257411;1441045674;ascii_field;ideally frog never notices at all
1257412;1441045721;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257165 << unclear what business t mobile has on the internet then.
1257413;1441045721;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 13:37:23; pete_dushenski: e, providing broadband to a small city, mining for bitcoin -- but I really don’t care!" -john legere, ceo and president of t-mobile
1257414;1441045740;mircea_popescu;ftr, "2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month" is
1257415;1441045756;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2*10**12 / 30 / 24 / 3600 / 1024
1257416;1441045757;gribble;753.520447531
1257417;1441045759;ascii_field;^ i read their faq thing, very precious. it made me recall the last footnote in mircea_popescu's 'new software license' article
1257418;1441045761;mircea_popescu;753 kbps
1257419;1441045765;ascii_field;(anybody have it handy?)
1257420;1441045769;mircea_popescu;which is WAY less than what tyhey are advertising, iu am sure.
1257421;1441045805;mircea_popescu;"we sell people 5mb connections. evil hackers use about 7% of this. american business world ftw!"
1257422;1441045866;ascii_field;standard bezzlatronic reaction to Evil Witches finding some trick for using their dollarz, which were given to them to real-estate-bubblate, to illicitly buy actual solid turkeys
1257423;1441045877;mircea_popescu;aha
1257424;1441045881;mircea_popescu;quite exactly that.
1257425;1441045885;ascii_field;not a thing that can be permitted
1257426;1441045891;mircea_popescu;such derp.
1257427;1441045944;ascii_field;the fraud isn't that they won't give out free bandwidth, but insist on advertising 'unlimited' while in practice entirely opposite
1257428;1441045960;mircea_popescu;they actually advertise unlimited ?
1257429;1441045963;trinque;oh yeah.
1257430;1441045965;mircea_popescu;if they do, i taker it back.
1257431;1441045965;ascii_field;'eat as much as you want so long as it is not too much by our lights'
1257432;1441045980;mircea_popescu;"unlimited" has for many years meant "enough for your needs if you don't need much", which is finbe.
1257433;1441045993;mircea_popescu;i thought they advertised 20 MBps like my provider in ro or something specific.
1257434;1441046006;trinque;they also make claims about LTE speed
1257435;1441046015;ascii_field;there was a rate in there
1257436;1441046021;ascii_field;the 'unlimited' refers to bulk tonnage
1257437;1441046035;mircea_popescu;well if there's a rate they're frauds.
1257438;1441046037;trinque;point is words don't mean shit, and the rules are intentionally arbitrary because "fuck you"
1257439;1441046044;mircea_popescu;as i somehow suspect that rate comes with mbps after a number.
1257440;1441046050;mircea_popescu;trinque not in contracts.
1257441;1441046066;ascii_field;t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111'
1257442;1441046068;trinque;well I would agree.
1257443;1441046071;ascii_field;'not like the others!'
1257444;1441046090;trinque;mircea_popescu: they worm around it with "up to x Mbps"
1257445;1441046100;mircea_popescu;even so.
1257446;1441046120;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111' << This they advertise X speed for first Y transfer and after that max tonnage at best effort speed
1257447;1441046127;ascii_field;they relied on it being 'smartpNohe only' for the limiter
1257448;1441046140;ascii_field;understanding being that there is nothing bandwidth-heavy to do on a pocket phone
1257449;1441046141;mircea_popescu;oooo i see
1257450;1441046148;mircea_popescu;right right makes sense now.
1257451;1441046150;ascii_field;then folks installed openvpn etc on the thing.
1257452;1441046173;ascii_field;suddenly 'you bastards, refusing to use typical sheepNohe, terrorists'
1257453;1441046175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44767 @ 0.0006894 = 30.8624 BTC [+] {2} 
1257454;1441046236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9938 @ 0.00069403 = 6.8973 BTC [+] {2} 
1257455;1441046261;punkman;mircea_popescu: 753 kbps << 1mbps gets you 320gb/month or so
1257456;1441046269;ascii_field;it is the inevitable fate of kolhoz: when thing is 'free' and shared, suddenly there are 'hogs' and 'freeloaders' and 'decent people'
1257457;1441046274;ascii_field;instead of just buyers and sellers
1257458;1441046283;mircea_popescu;punkman obviously the people in question left a tracker on continuously.
1257459;1441046287;trinque;I called american messaging about a pager... 400 message limit a month then overage, but at least they are up-front about it
1257460;1441046341;ascii_field;trinque: the cap is largely to keep folks from doing things like controlling model airplanes with'em
1257461;1441046365;mircea_popescu;but.... why ?!
1257462;1441046368;trinque;yeah sounds fun
1257463;1441046373;ascii_field;It Would Be Wrong
1257464;1441046373;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you want to PREVENT people from using things
1257465;1441046377;mircea_popescu;wtf is this, being chinese ?
1257466;1441046379;ascii_field;because kolho
1257467;1441046380;ascii_field;z
1257468;1441046387;ascii_field;if used, suddenly the bezzle is revealed
1257469;1441046389;jurov;mircea_popescu: noticed the mpex orders were published, it's safe to resume everything?
1257470;1441046394;mircea_popescu;jurov yes.
1257471;1441046396;mircea_popescu;should be fine.
1257472;1441046402;ascii_field;which is that there is nowhere near enough capacity for 1% of what was actually bought
1257473;1441046407;mircea_popescu;ascii_field republished v article if you care.
1257474;1441046412;ascii_field;neato
1257475;1441046421;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and for that matter, DECENT AMERICANS don't get sick.
1257476;1441046426;mircea_popescu;they just "have" health insurance.
1257477;1441046428;ascii_field;of course.
1257478;1441046432;*;mircea_popescu is suddenly reminded of romania of the 80s
1257479;1441046484;*;trinque expects that his desire to be radio-silent must look terrorist-y to some moron, if he bothered to look
1257480;1441046488;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the market for gold is in the same situation.
1257481;1441046490;trinque;if not now, it will
1257482;1441046498;mircea_popescu;maybe i should stop being such a terrorist "destabilizing the situation"
1257483;1441046520;trinque;isn't that like these "circuit breakers" at stock exchanges?
1257484;1441046534;ascii_field;1200+ trips in one day, recently, according to the birdcage liner
1257485;1441046541;trinque;http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/24/investing/stocks-markets-selloff-circuit-breakers-1200-times/
1257486;1441046542;assbot;Trading was halted 1,200 times Monday - Aug. 24, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJcTZG )
1257487;1441046543;ascii_field;one ~trading~ day.
1257488;1441046548;trinque;yep
1257489;1441046559;mircea_popescu;ascii_field used to be one a year.
1257490;1441046570;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193376
1257491;1441046570;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
1257492;1441046581;mircea_popescu;now it's 1200 a day. and all that chewing paste and toothgum is there because they run the fucking bots in java
1257493;1441046584;mircea_popescu;AND.THEY.SUCK.
1257494;1441046603;ascii_field;plus the folks with the official bots need to be kept in cocaine
1257495;1441046615;ascii_field;y'know, the ones who ~issue~ the 1200+ 'stop's
1257496;1441046628;mircea_popescu;that part ain't hard.
1257497;1441046630;trinque;sea of bullshit, where do you even begin
1257498;1441046793;BingoBoingo;;;nethash
1257499;1441046794;gribble;429426353.409
1257500;1441046859;BingoBoingo;;;calc (5/439.426)*100
1257501;1441046859;gribble;1.13784801081
1257502;1441046968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00069181 = 11.3457 BTC [-]
1257503;1441047123;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1257504;1441047182;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257192 << because todo lists are private matters. let thje interested make their own todo lists.
1257505;1441047182;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 14:35:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general.
1257506;1441047211;ascii_field;well yes. but i put it in for a reason, because there are several things which i consider important which presently do not work correctly.
1257507;1441047247;ascii_field;(it is possible to live without them, yes. but folks who try to display a broken flow graph will see ???)
1257508;1441047265;mircea_popescu;and so they can fix it.
1257509;1441047278;ascii_field;^ perhaps i ought to explain. picture a patch mid-flow whose seal is annulled (removed, even if temporarily, from .wot)
1257510;1441047285;mircea_popescu;really more a matter of style than anything, your own ml does include your own todo iirc
1257511;1441047292;ascii_field;aha.
1257512;1441047315;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257194 << re this, it might actually be a wise default to have "all or nothing". either you trust this person and follow their changes or you do not and follow none.
1257513;1441047315;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 14:36:31; asciilifeform: also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset
1257514;1441047330;mircea_popescu;and if one's not happy with this arrangement, one should RESTATE what interests them, under their own sig.
1257515;1441047334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00069181 = 10.1004 BTC [-]
1257516;1441047344;mircea_popescu;enforce the right balance between "keep updated!!11" and "fucking fork already" by default.
1257517;1441047351;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: can always specify --wot foundation  --- dir containing ben_vulpes and mod6 keys only
1257518;1441047365;mircea_popescu;was more talking about the cauise where you want half of x's patches.
1257519;1441047389;ascii_field;anyway thing is made in such a way that operator is forced to remain aware of what patch set he is pressing
1257520;1441047404;mircea_popescu;you'll be surprised.
1257521;1441047416;ascii_field;and can always cp -r patches patchesprime; rm patchesprime/xxx .....
1257522;1441047426;deedbot-;[Qntra] Small Mining Firm Takes Regulatory Compliance Pill, Moves to the Dark Side - http://qntra.net/2015/08/small-mining-firm-takes-regulatory-compliance-pill-moves-to-the-dark-side/
1257523;1441047692;ascii_field;'These companies are genuinely trying to do things right, to protect their customers, and prevent their businesses from facilitating criminal activity. We're proud to provide the KYC, fraud prevention, and monitoring technologies these businesses use to identify and prevent suspicious activity, as part of their AML program to comply with U.S. and international regulations.' << l0l!!
1257524;1441047760;BingoBoingo;Seriously.
1257525;1441047780;ascii_field;can't wait for the usg yottahash mining farm where you need a signature from hitler to get your tx baked into block
1257526;1441047794;mircea_popescu;eh fuck that.
1257527;1441047803;mircea_popescu;before that we'll fork it with new pow and better design.
1257528;1441047846;mircea_popescu;what i said when i opened this entire dispute, specifically, http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-31.0-31.247 stands.
1257529;1441047847;assbot;Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJeUVD )
1257530;1441047848;mircea_popescu;HE doesn't.
1257531;1441047942;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257206 << ffs. you still not getting any emails ?
1257532;1441047942;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 14:47:57; shinohai: Fuck i hit paywall again and still have no way to purchase credits.
1257533;1441047948;mircea_popescu;ditych that shitty provider, w/e it is.
1257534;1441048552;shinohai;mircea_popescu: only provider in this area is stoopid comcast or AT&T
1257535;1441048562;shinohai;AT&T only has 4G
1257536;1441048599;mircea_popescu;of email ?!
1257537;1441048680;shinohai;no 4G mobile internet
1257538;1441048694;shinohai;No router or anything u can hook anything to
1257539;1441048698;mircea_popescu;my point is, if your email provider is eating your emails, try a different one.
1257540;1441048718;jurov;shinohai you have only one email?
1257541;1441048730;*;shinohai just realized mircea_popescu meant email
1257542;1441048746;mircea_popescu;yes. iirc that was the problem, you never got the emails yes ?
1257543;1441048754;shinohai;No jurov I actually bothered to make 2 xD
1257544;1441048807;shinohai;that is correct. When I finish this install I got going I'll try to make a new addy
1257545;1441048878;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257244 << o.O
1257546;1441048878;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 16:27:30; pete_dushenski: jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise
1257547;1441048880;trinque;provide your own email
1257548;1441048885;trinque;how hard is postfix to set up?
1257549;1441048887;trinque;not very
1257550;1441048902;mircea_popescu;some people dun wanna run servers. i know i spent a while deliberately not doing it.
1257551;1441048918;trinque;yeah, I'll admit it's a pain in the ass
1257552;1441048957;jurov;since i happen to manage an email server already, if anyone in the wot is interested, can set up imap box
1257553;1441048972;jurov;no spamfiltering or webmail tho
1257554;1441048975;trinque;jurov: nice.
1257555;1441048986;trinque;!up ascii_field
1257556;1441049071;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ?
1257557;1441049084;trinque;shinohai: one of those TP-Link guys will turn a 4g connection into a local hotspot
1257558;1441049095;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257260 << lol teh experience of wiser men that came before.
1257559;1441049095;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 16:34:16; mike_c: that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat
1257560;1441049103;trinque;I have a pile of tp-links; they're ok
1257561;1441049196;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257273 << your dns calls might be rate limited somewhere ?
1257562;1441049196;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 17:33:11; jurov: unrelated to this, it is kinda rotating mpex.co .bz .ws etc. proxies and *always* at least one is inaccessible due to "Temporary failure in name resolution"
1257563;1441049223;trinque;if so, perhaps nscd would help
1257564;1441049233;jurov;limited to less than one per minute? that would be very bad
1257565;1441049275;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. but yes you're not the only one noticing this
1257566;1441049591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34842 @ 0.00068965 = 24.0288 BTC [-] {2} 
1257567;1441049613;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257286 << as opposed to when, exactly, iyo ?
1257568;1441049613;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 17:50:20; trinque: time to accept that you're a criminal merely by being a thinking person.
1257569;1441049652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53908 @ 0.00068648 = 37.0068 BTC [-] {2} 
1257570;1441049702;trinque;perhaps that's overly broad. I understand there to have been a time where one could experiment with radio equipment or do chemistry in their garage without being arrested.
1257571;1441049717;mircea_popescu;because at that time it couldn't have been that you'd do anything useful.
1257572;1441049726;mircea_popescu;so yes in weimar, no in 3rd reich.
1257573;1441049736;trinque;I could easily see the point that the useful are always dangerous.
1257574;1441049743;ascii_field;very yes in '80 su
1257575;1441049774;mircea_popescu;point being, the two options are either the tyranny of the many against the few, or the tyranny of the few against the many.
1257576;1441049783;ascii_field;my brother made every major type of explosive (in small pieces), we set'em off in little vials buried in the ground at summer house.
1257577;1441049794;mircea_popescu;alf had a dacha ?
1257578;1441049797;ascii_field;we did!
1257579;1441049812;mircea_popescu;"but who comes from a country where they own a pony to a non-pony owning country!"
1257580;1441049825;ascii_field;it paid for the plane tickets, even.
1257581;1441049828;ascii_field;(part of'em)
1257582;1441049862;ascii_field;i recently 'google street'-ed the spot where it stood. neither it nor any of the neighbouring cottages remain
1257583;1441049869;ascii_field;actual rich folks houses stand there now.
1257584;1441049898;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1087109 << related.
1257585;1441049898;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 19:50:10; asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:
1257586;1441049996;trinque;^lol!
1257587;1441050201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10317 @ 0.00069404 = 7.1604 BTC [+]
1257588;1441050900;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1257589;1441051144;mircea_popescu;ascii_field incidentally you might appreciate http://trilema.com/2009/de-vorba-cu-gismo-smiley/
1257590;1441051145;assbot;De vorba cu Gismo Smiley. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHgtRG )
1257591;1441051265;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257323 << the 'else' keyword in the 'for else' python construct
1257592;1441051265;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 18:06:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257083 << which keyword ?
1257593;1441051278;mircea_popescu;oh
1257594;1441051303;*;mircea_popescu thought knuth predated python
1257595;1441051463;mats;he does. he devised the construct in C for specific jump calls, and it was adapted into python iirc
1257596;1441051482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00069733 = 16.9103 BTC [+] {2} 
1257597;1441051510;mircea_popescu;fucking internet. so : http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#comment-92994 references an "archive link"
1257598;1441051511;assbot;Internet story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwxddW )
1257599;1441051520;mircea_popescu;which "archive" now says, "We are working hard to fix all the missing resources at Digital Inspiration. If you need anything urgent, please send me an email at amit@labnol.org."
1257600;1441051533;mircea_popescu;fuck you amit.
1257601;1441052081;ascii_field;;;later tell mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-08-2015#1257084 << x64 doesn't have'em.
1257602;1441052081;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 07:47:23; mats: fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases.
1257603;1441052082;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1257604;1441052275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00070306 = 8.7179 BTC [+]
1257605;1441052824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10386 @ 0.00069516 = 7.2199 BTC [-]
1257606;1441052878;punkman;https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/backdooring-js/
1257607;1441052880;assbot;backdooring your javascript using minifier bugs | discrete blogarithm ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHhJEp )
1257608;1441052885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20614 @ 0.00069005 = 14.2247 BTC [-]
1257609;1441054350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12197 @ 0.00068649 = 8.3731 BTC [-] {3} 
1257610;1441054410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79925 @ 0.00068402 = 54.6703 BTC [-] {4} 
1257611;1441054504;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1257612;1441054511;ascii_field;http://i.imgur.com/ibUaHil.gifv << sapping practice.
1257613;1441054512;assbot;Jenga lost it's appeal in  1977.... ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHjGRf )
1257614;1441054533;thestringpuller;http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/tickets/ << wow this is obscene. WHy is Coindesk still a thing?
1257615;1441054550;ascii_field;kons3ns00s!!!
1257616;1441054576;thestringpuller;1500 for a standard ticket? nigga plz
1257617;1441054744;mircea_popescu;lol about what bitcoin conference did neh ?
1257618;1441054804;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1255068 << see also
1257619;1441054804;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 22:11:52; ascii_field: srsly, 'consensus' ?!
1257620;1441054813;jurov;how is alf's dacha flushing outhouse toilet relevant?
1257621;1441054816;thestringpuller;http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/agenda/ << why would you pay 1500 to see this shit show?
1257622;1441054841;ascii_field;jurov: thread concerned 'times and places hobby chemistry was not yet forbidden'
1257623;1441054866;jurov;thestringpuller: who do you mean by "you"
1257624;1441054877;jurov;i dun see any such niggers around here
1257625;1441054899;ascii_field;prolly one of those things which no one is ever at on his own free will
1257626;1441054905;ascii_field;other than the camp followers
1257627;1441054954;thestringpuller;jurov: why would anyone*** << better ?
1257628;1441055043;jurov;:)
1257629;1441055300;jurov;https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ wow. such invention
1257630;1441055302;assbot;Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide | The Linux Homefront Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwE871 )
1257631;1441055310;jurov;$ machinectl shell
1257632;1441055311;jurov;Connected to the local host. Press ^] three times within 1s to exit session.
1257633;1441055315;trinque;wtf?
1257634;1441055329;jurov;really, wtf.
1257635;1441055345;ascii_field;ugh
1257636;1441055378;trinque;"I understand this is confusing and unexpected, but well, that’s UNIX…"
1257637;1441055483;jurov;never stumbled upon "su -"?
1257638;1441055517;trinque;look that's confusing
1257639;1441055524;jurov;and the x popup is spiffy. 'cuz xterminal can't be trusted with passwords
1257640;1441055543;mircea_popescu;ahahaha systemd now su's ?
1257641;1441055996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00068844 = 4.8191 BTC [+]
1257642;1441056240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00068844 = 9.6382 BTC [+]
1257643;1441056477;punkman;"Next up: Systemd replaces “confusing” unix ls command with new and clean filectl command."
1257644;1441056714;trinque;arsectl shit | mouthctl open
1257645;1441056727;trinque;and really shouldn't the pipe be reimplemented to use dbus?
1257646;1441056734;mircea_popescu;definitely.
1257647;1441056814;trinque;meanwhile dbus really should have network connectivity (I'm going out on a limb assuming it still does not)
1257648;1441056835;punkman;trinque: it does
1257649;1441056845;trinque;mein gott
1257650;1441056860;jurov;trinque i have recently read about it.. apparently it does but you have to disable all access control to use it :D
1257651;1441056870;trinque;jurov: well certainly that's inconvenient.
1257652;1441056876;punkman;trinque: it has been used to exploit a Jeep
1257653;1441056882;trinque;oh is that how they got in?
1257654;1441056886;trinque;and dbus was in the jeep?!
1257655;1441056896;punkman;"A demonstration of the D-Bus problem is the recent Jeep hack by  researchers Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek. The root problem was that  D-Bus was openly (without authentication) accessible from the Internet."
1257656;1441056904;trinque;dbus is among pulseaudio and other things I neuter the fuck out of my systems
1257657;1441056917;trinque;punkman: glorious
1257658;1441056920;punkman;when is pulseaudio getting merged in systemd
1257659;1441056927;trinque;audioctl when, indeed.
1257660;1441056943;jurov;and pr0nctl
1257661;1441056945;trinque;this must be the singularity they were talking about
1257662;1441056958;trinque;no one can stop the run-away shitification
1257663;1441056980;jurov;then they will merge sql database and go where even microsoft did not dare
1257664;1441057026;trinque;well hell, that CoreOS (which is a breeding ground for systemd nonsense) has etcd
1257665;1441057039;trinque;so not sql, but yes a networked database for config
1257666;1441057055;jurov;registry is already there (via gnome)
1257667;1441057065;trinque;myup gconf, and there's another one I'm forgetting
1257668;1441057091;trinque;!up ascii_field
1257669;1441057127;ascii_field;all this also tastes great ! with a balanced diet of that gui-in-kernel-just-like-microshit that was being pushed to replace x11
1257670;1441057134;punkman;etcd is a distributed k-v store thingy
1257671;1441057155;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257660   <<< I'll get right on that.
1257672;1441057155;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 21:35:43; jurov: and pr0nctl
1257673;1441057217;*;shinohai imagines it might look similar to this: https://i.imgur.com/u9MrIO6.jpg
1257674;1441057218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnV6Gy )
1257675;1441057319;ascii_field;https://i.imgur.com/ChKc5CZ.jpg << eureka !
1257676;1441057319;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnVaWz )
1257677;1441057340;punkman;lol
1257678;1441057402;jurov;KEEP THE EARTH WET AT ALL TIMES
1257679;1441057452;trinque;shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo
1257680;1441057484;trinque;pornctl deny all from @tattoed
1257681;1441057509;jurov;!pornctl bait
1257682;1441057514;shinohai;ok, lemme find somethin less trashy
1257683;1441057521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00069846 = 20.43 BTC [+] {3} 
1257684;1441057703;mircea_popescu;dbus needs network connectivity to maintain a list of ddos ips.
1257685;1441057768;mircea_popescu;trinque> well hell, that CoreOS << /me can not help but notice the "core" symbol.
1257686;1441057799;jurov;debian-xt upcoming
1257687;1441057824;trinque;mircea_popescu: kinda gape-y neh?
1257688;1441057826;punkman;http://askubuntu.com/questions/665359/systemd-is-really-slow-in-comparison-to-upstart
1257689;1441057827;assbot;boot - Systemd is really slow in comparison to upstart - Ask Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnVrZK )
1257690;1441057841;mircea_popescu;FUD AND LIES
1257691;1441057845;mircea_popescu;systemd BOOTS FASTER!!111
1257692;1441057857;trinque;^ openrc is damned fast, for whatever that matters, the boot-per-week or something I do
1257693;1441057877;mircea_popescu;boots 50%^H^H40^H^H18%!!!! faster than anything else. including the things that boot 100x less frequently./
1257694;1441057905;trinque;"this house was built as quickly as possible"
1257695;1441057907;mircea_popescu;anyway, very fortunate that b-a never happened.
1257696;1441057907;trinque;oh good.
1257697;1441057987;mircea_popescu;trinque the tattoo is not as much of a problem as the bs string. "really needed" because omg
1257698;1441057997;trinque;yeah otherwise indecent huh?
1257699;1441058020;trinque;glorious figure; no faulting her there
1257700;1441058051;trinque;the dumb stars became a trend in the last ten years or so
1257701;1441058058;trinque;least among skanks I've known
1257702;1441058059;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with it ?
1257703;1441058064;mircea_popescu;buttcrack tattoos are painful.
1257704;1441058072;trinque;just "yeah I'll take that one too" walmart style
1257705;1441058971;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1257706;1441058980;pete_dushenski;http://m.columbiatribune.com/news/local/college-student-would-be-sole-voter-in-cid-sales-tax/article_6702c44b-0243-51f8-861c-1df0b462cd92.html << votes matter u guise !
1257707;1441059020;pete_dushenski;"On Feb. 28, Jen Henderson, 23, became the sole registered voter living within the community improvement district, or CID, meaning she is the only person who would vote on a half-cent sales tax increase for the district."
1257708;1441059096;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257556 << nyet
1257709;1441059096;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 19:24:31; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ?
1257710;1441059105;mircea_popescu;prolly fore the best.
1257711;1441059113;pete_dushenski;fore sure
1257712;1441059117;mircea_popescu;>D
1257713;1441059136;pete_dushenski;let the little dude have his fun !
1257714;1441059145;pete_dushenski;what am i, the fun police ?
1257715;1441059173;trinque;ah come on, what's life without a little compulsory genital modification?
1257716;1441059180;ascii_field;dulap!
1257717;1441059180;pete_dushenski;the whole point of this b-a/bitcoin experiment is to shoot the fun people in the heads with their own no-so-funny bullets, neh
1257718;1441059196;pete_dushenski;s/people/police omgerd
1257719;1441059254;pete_dushenski;trinque: in a word : african
1257720;1441059270;pete_dushenski;or i should say : non-african
1257721;1441059351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00070285 = 20.3475 BTC [+] {3} 
1257722;1441059355;trinque;myup
1257723;1441059720;trinque;ascii_field: does make me wonder if the thing's something like "and don't make us come for the rest of it!"
1257724;1441059724;trinque;amusing, even if not so
1257725;1441059750;ascii_field;schlllt.
1257726;1441059985;mircea_popescu;it's prolly EXACTLY so.
1257727;1441060063;pete_dushenski;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NU-IK61UMYU/VeGvPmUlEyI/AAAAAAAAiSo/jw51kFPRxz0/s640/zKuCJ0P.jpg << costa concordia
1257728;1441060064;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UiqOu1 )
1257729;1441060585;deedbot-;[Qntra] BIP-101 Syndicate Shares Fiat Ties, Opposition to Actual Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/08/bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin/
1257730;1441060692;pete_dushenski;" Qntra earlier reported Pierce, replaced Vessennes' as chairman of the now defunct Bitcoin Fundation (note for editor: find something to call it so it's not confused with the real bitcoin) back in April," << calling all cars to the scene
1257731;1441060708;pete_dushenski;^ BingoBoingo
1257732;1441060718;pete_dushenski;cazalla too
1257733;1441060767;BingoBoingo;fxd
1257734;1441060780;pete_dushenski;coolio
1257735;1441060814;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNr0SedVAAAnDL-.jpg << kids these days
1257736;1441060815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uirv6B )
1257737;1441061158;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ?
1257738;1441061197;mircea_popescu;but not bad.
1257739;1441061242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069949 = 7.8343 BTC [-]
1257740;1441061436;trinque;suggestion: s/Concern was raised of the BIP-101 syndicate when many of their VCs overlapped./That many in the BIP-101 syndicate share VCs is ample cause for concern./
1257741;1441061445;trinque;something like that, sentence is a little weird
1257742;1441061561;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257556 << said no, iirc
1257743;1441061561;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 19:24:31; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ?
1257744;1441061592;*;pete_dushenski waits for ben to scroll down
1257745;1441061609;trinque;Today on Foreskins of the Republic!
1257746;1441061622;pete_dushenski;Days of Our Foreskins
1257747;1441061624;trinque;lol
1257748;1441061628;ben_vulpes;haha i was writing that one
1257749;1441061640;pete_dushenski;the 'today of...' lead in eh
1257750;1441061651;pete_dushenski;on*
1257751;1441061682;trinque;get your own foreskin news broadcast.
1257752;1441061686;*;trinque goes for food
1257753;1441061804;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257679 << haters
1257754;1441061804;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 21:44:12; trinque: shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo
1257755;1441061884;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257703 << bone's /rather/ close to the surface there.
1257756;1441061884;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 21:54:24; mircea_popescu: buttcrack tattoos are painful.
1257757;1441061894;ben_vulpes;also, pain! who doesn't like honest signals.
1257758;1441061996;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: didja ship 99K with the 100K version string still in or am i misunderstanding something?
1257759;1441062010;deedbot-;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-august-2015-statement/
1257760;1441062015;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1257761;1441062019;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: mistake
1257762;1441062023;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: should be 99
1257763;1441062028;ascii_field;next is to be 98.
1257764;1441062069;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: tried the thing yet ?
1257765;1441062572;mircea_popescu;re s.mg report : that game's actually getting an economy and everything! macro variables visible, a money/goods raport emerges, whatnot
1257766;1441062582;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ? << fixed link was living in: (text)
1257767;1441062661;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: just started reading. no running without reading.
1257768;1441062687;mircea_popescu;(the driver of inflation is the circumstance that in any economy, the monetary value of circulating capital and the monetary value of goods sit in a certain, fixed proportion)
1257769;1441062711;mircea_popescu;you can't have a trillion worth of dollars and ten dollar's worth of cake.
1257770;1441062721;mircea_popescu;you conversely can't have a trillion worth of cake and ten dollars in cash.
1257771;1441062943;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257767 << any nitpicks thus far ?
1257772;1441062943;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 23:11:01; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: just started reading. no running without reading.
1257773;1441063057;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: thing has many sharp corners and probably one or two outright mistakes.
1257774;1441063085;trinque;it at least didn't take any fingers last night when I fired it up
1257775;1441063106;ascii_field;just reminding folks that this is not (yet) lifesupportquality proggy.
1257776;1441063197;ben_vulpes;myriad pepeightteries at first glance
1257777;1441063213;ascii_field;??
1257778;1441063236;ben_vulpes;things that "professional pythonistas" bitch about all day that impact execution approximately nil.
1257779;1441063246;ascii_field;i fucking hate the language.
1257780;1441063254;ascii_field;~almost~ as much as i hate perl.
1257781;1441063281;mircea_popescu;but alf! it takes 85 muscles to hate and only 1 to take it up the as!
1257782;1441063291;trinque;!b 3
1257783;1441063292;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WAGSYH.txt )
1257784;1441063292;ascii_field;i thought it was '1 to pull trigger'
1257785;1441063307;mircea_popescu;you kidding there's so many tarsal flexors involved
1257786;1441063318;ascii_field;nah that's only if you're aiming
1257787;1441063341;mircea_popescu;"shoot without aiming", "taking it up the ass", what the hell's the difference.
1257788;1441063350;ascii_field;!s for piglet
1257789;1441063350;assbot;2 results for 'for piglet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=for+piglet
1257790;1441063377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1971 @ 0.00068844 = 1.3569 BTC [-]
1257791;1441063412;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176872
1257792;1441063412;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
1257793;1441063450;ascii_field;and i shudder to think of 'professional pythonistas' and what they do.
1257794;1441063465;ascii_field;are there 'professional awkistas' ?
1257795;1441063479;ascii_field;grepistas?
1257796;1441063491;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=444
1257797;1441063492;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt0anP )
1257798;1441063493;mircea_popescu;bwhaahha
1257799;1441063498;mircea_popescu;dude thre bash is pretty cool
1257800;1441063564;ascii_field;would be even cooler if it updated
1257801;1441063573;kakobrekla;wanna admin it?
1257802;1441063584;ascii_field;right after victory
1257803;1441063607;ascii_field;kakobrekla: does the thing get spammed much from the www box ?
1257804;1441063625;kakobrekla;not at all, but i have a process for approving bashes
1257805;1441063805;kakobrekla;occasionally i check the buffer and remove the bad ones, the good ones get re-read the next time and when i feel strongly enough about the one waiting the longest i approve a batch, as deep as it goes
1257806;1441063855;kakobrekla;then jurov comes and just clicks approve on everything.
1257807;1441063916;trinque;ascii_field: I'll tell you what a professional pythonista does...
1257808;1441063932;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1257809;1441063932;trinque;he tapes various shitty open source modules together for about 1yr, then gets another job
1257810;1441064123;kakobrekla;also often i end up checking the log if the bash can be framed better
1257811;1441064241;kakobrekla;on that note also let it be known i score bashes including links quite low for various reasons
1257812;1441064323;ascii_field;i would offer to help kakobrekla but doubt that i could possibly improve on his process...
1257813;1441064347;ascii_field;it is more or less ideal.
1257814;1441064353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00069498 = 5.2471 BTC [+]
1257815;1441064420;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: long lines of octothorpes denominate sections, correct?
1257816;1441064434;ascii_field;aha. decoratively
1257817;1441064447;ascii_field;(has no mechanical function)
1257818;1441064508;ben_vulpes;"Memoize" means to store in memory during the course of a run?
1257819;1441064511;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: if you are expert with the language, do not hesitate to simplify routines / fix oddities of whatever kind, and post signed revisions...
1257820;1441064517;ascii_field;memoize is an actual term of art
1257821;1441064536;ascii_field;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/introsml/techniques/memoization.htm
1257822;1441064537;assbot;Memoization and Laziness ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt2QSi )
1257823;1441064559;*;ascii_field thought it was well-known and unremarkable
1257824;1441064595;punkman;I'd say it is
1257825;1441064597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0006882 = 6.2626 BTC [-] {3} 
1257826;1441064609;ben_vulpes;you overestimate my familiarity with the 'art'
1257827;1441064678;ben_vulpes;hy
1257828;1441064680;ben_vulpes;hyu*
1257829;1441064685;ben_vulpes;my working copy is called "v2.py"
1257830;1441064687;ascii_field;ndai.
1257831;1441064710;ben_vulpes;why i find this amusing is left as an exercise to the logreader.
1257832;1441064716;trinque;rocket!
1257833;1441064722;ascii_field;'once ze rocketz go up...!'
1257834;1441064727;ascii_field;who cares where they come down!
1257835;1441064750;ascii_field;'it's not mein department,' said wehrner von braun !
1257836;1441064863;ben_vulpes;anyways, simplify routines/fix oddities/tidy up implies a 'git' style megapatch. u vant it should be engranularized?
1257837;1441064882;ascii_field;i know how to run 'diff'.
1257838;1441064896;ascii_field;whole thing is what, 3 pgs of a4 ?
1257839;1441064914;ascii_field;clean to your heart's desire. so long as it gets shorter.
1257840;1441064971;*;kakobrekla gives under pressure, bash flushed
1257841;1441065086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00069587 = 21.4328 BTC [+] {2} 
1257842;1441065126;kakobrekla;hrm
1257843;1441065165;kakobrekla;needs fixing.